I ‘ve noticed that when many users just post their opinions or suggestions on what a road should be or not be, many other users act like the person making the opinion or suggestion is a person of authority within the governing body of the roadway in question. Therefore the other users behave like your idea is going to implemented, and it needs to stop.
I’ve seen it mainly on fictional where someone suggests that an interstate number be changed for what that person believes would work and instead of respecting that users suggestion they attack him like the idea is a mortal sin and label the user’s idea as “crazy.”
Granted, people like Ethanman and Dieselsabb were annoying and they never quit trolling people with their absurd suggestions, but attacking a person who thinks I-82 should be a N-S odd number is overkill.
Then there were other suggestions on fictional too, that were treated as if the person making the suggestion worked for the DOT in charge and was going to make the suggested change and start to act worried. I can’t tell you how many heated arguments between users erupted ( with many between the same two all the time over different ideas) happen over a harmless topic.
I used to visit a tourist forum where many would complain about tolls and prices there and no one would intervene like we would here if the same suggestion was passed. No one gone anal over a harmless suggestion on those tourist forums about travel, like we do at AARoads.
According to some person I’ve met in person off this forum, who witnessed many of it, he has seen many new users leave the forum as a result of blunt up front criticism of a harmless suggestion. It seems we insult people we haven’t met or know who they are here.
Come on, it’s about topics that we can’t discuss elsewhere as roads seem to be eccentric to others off the forum.
In the case of one particular recent new user I'm more frustrated they bombarded more serious threads with FritzOwl-like ideas. This was worsened by the fact that many of us tried to be reasonable and explain the real world scenarios which would prevent said ideas from happening. Granted, this did start on a non-fictional board and has since migrated to the Fictional Board.
For me I do get a little frustrated when I see myths perpetuated by users on Facebook pages like FWJ and Roadgeekery bombard the forum amongst the user base. That's my thought though as someone who actually takes historic research seriously and tries to share it whenever possible.
I just stopped here on the way to Serious.
Well, TheAlan360 seemed to be serious and we all know how that turned out :bigass:
You know who was dead serious? dzlsabe, that's who.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 09, 2022, 07:52:41 AM
In the case of one particular recent new user I'm more frustrated they bombarded more serious threads with FritzOwl-like ideas. This was worsened by the fact that many of us tried to be reasonable and explain the real world scenarios which would prevent said ideas from happening. Granted, this did start on a non-fictional board and has since migrated to the Fictional Board.
For me I do get a little frustrated when I see myths perpetuated by users on Facebook pages like FWJ and Roadgeekery bombard the forum amongst the user base. That's my thought though as someone who actually takes historic research seriously and tries to share it whenever possible.
I prefer FWJ as no major arguments erupt there. There was one, however on FWJ, over US 20 verses US 30 for the true coast to coast US Route still alive today. I let the guy win cause he was hell bent on not considering the Columbia River at Astoria, OR to be sea level, but had arguments that the Boston Harbor is at Sea Level, so US 20 from Newport, OR to Boston is the only coast to coast left as US 30 is still ten miles from Sea Level via the mighty Columbia.
To me it's not worth arguing over what route is coast to coast as there are far better things to be concerned. Many of us here argue over silly things. We even have a moderator on here who worries about correct spelling and gets nasty when you either accidentally or ignorantly misspell a word. Spelling is the least of our problems. There are far worse things also than misspelling words especially when Spell Check misspells words constantly and is accepted as the true look out for us by the cyber world.
Quote from: abefroman329 on November 09, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
You know who was dead serious? dzlsabe, that's who.
Well he attacks peoples character when he was here then and also implied that all people outside Chicago don't count. Not to mention his personal website where he admits he's a professional troll.
Because nobody cares about the 50th LOLOL LET'S BOMB 238.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 09, 2022, 07:52:41 AM
In the case of one particular recent new user I'm more frustrated they bombarded more serious threads with FritzOwl-like ideas. This was worsened by the fact that many of us tried to be reasonable and explain the real world scenarios which would prevent said ideas from happening. Granted, this did start on a non-fictional board and has since migrated to the Fictional Board.
I think 'bombarded' is the operative word there. I get much less irritated when someone new posts a handful of crazy ideas, but I get quite a bit more irritated when someone posts sixty crazy ideas across forty different threads. And, when he defends every single one of them to the death, then that just makes it even worse.
It's no excuse for the rest of us to be mean, of course, but it sure does make my blood boil hotter.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 12:20:20 PM
To me it's not worth arguing over what route is coast to coast as there are far better things to be concerned.
I think you meant
coat to cost.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 05, 2022, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on November 05, 2022, 12:21:37 PM
I find it interesting that so many people on a forum just about roads, seem to care least about the actual roads themselves. I thought everyone on here would be like FritzOwl, or even more so, about being picky with numbers, lanes, consistency...etc
A five year old can draw new freeways on a map. A ten year old can assign numbers to them that follow the numbering scheme.
But in the real world there's more to it than that. There is not an infinite amount of money to be spent on every aesthetically pleasing map-line that could be drawn. We have to pick and choose between those and taking care of the roads we've already got. Real life people will be affected, for good and ill, because of the decisions a road project makes. And because, as Americans, we're fortunate enough to live in some semblance of a democracy for the time being, the DOT cannot just dictate to the people that the road plan says this and that's just the way it's going to be. Because of democracy, those real life people will have input on the project and can substantially affect how and whether it's built. We generally agree that although this can be annoying, it's better than the alternative.
Put simply, plans like FritzOwl's are boring because they just represent someone taking a map, drawing a line on it, and not thinking it through any further than that. That's not interesting because anyone can do that, and it's not a realistic depiction of what the road building process would look like. To get a new freeway built, you have to convince the people that would be paying for it (i.e. the locals) that if they spend $X on a new freeway they will receive more than $X worth of benefit from it. If you can't be bothered to show how you would do that for the most receptive audience on the planet, a bunch of roadgeeks, what fun is it to read the proposal? After all, with no justification for it, it probably wouldn't even reach the public hearing stages.
People here like proposals that they can imagine actually being built someday. If you can put together a proposal, plausibly explain who it would benefit and why, and how you might avoid people's both objections and budget-destroying obstacles, that makes a fictional highways proposal interesting, and that's when you'll see people light up and enjoy discussing it.
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
I don't post or even read Fictional all that often, but I draw the line between ideas that are realistic vs. ideas that are dumb on their face.
Discussing alternate numbers for I-99, or giving interstate designations to the toll roads in Oklahoma or former toll roads in Kentucky, are things of merit and are actually feasible changes.
Proposing a freeway blasting through Yellowstone NP is one of several possible examples of nonsense proposals.
A serious idea deserves serious discussion. A truly ridiculous idea deserves ridicule. A little common sense goes a long way.
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
Back in the day (as the saying goes), FritzOwl did his musings all over the place until he was restricted to Fictional.
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding and we're agreeing while looking like we're disagreeing. Often I even find myself arguing minor points that matter very little outside the main point; it's easy enough to do with the nature of threading. And sometimes one of us is just wrong or we just have different opinions. I think many of us here (including me) don't like that others have different opinions.
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
I have no issues with numbering as long as a part of a route is in the grid. I've always thought that I-71 and I-74 (midwest) are fine, but apparently, there are people that want I-74 between Indy and Cincy renumbered as a western I-66 or I-68 because it's south of I-70 at that point.
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 12:20:20 PM
To me it's not worth arguing over what route is coast to coast as there are far better things to be concerned.
I think you meant coat to cost.
Me to.
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
Back in the day (as the saying goes), FritzOwl did his musings all over the place until he was restricted to Fictional.
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding and we're agreeing while looking like we're disagreeing. Often I even find myself arguing minor points that matter very little outside the main point; it's easy enough to do with the nature of threading. And sometimes one of us is just wrong or we just have different opinions. I think many of us here (including me) don't like that others have different opinions.
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
It was more a case of Fritz posting his ideas into Fictional threads created by other users. A general thread was created for Fritz and he's mostly stayed there since. Come to think of it I don't believe Fritz has ever posted outside the Fictional board.
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
My opinion is that the grid should be rigid for the x0 and x5 interstates. For any other 2di, it ought to fit in the grid at some point, with two considerations.
1) the nature of our cities requires some diagonal interstates and renumbering a long interstate each time it crosses and x5 or x0 is impractical Example: I-69 is between I-65 and I-75 from Indianapolis to Port Huron, but then violates the grid south of Indy. It's impractical to change its number each time it crosses an x5, which would require 4 additional numbers once it's all built.
2) new interstates come into existence where no number fitting into the grid is available, and wholesale renumbering in order to make it fit is impractical
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding ...
I have to keep reminding myself of that fact. Unfortunately, I'm not so great at allowing that knowledge to actually influence the tone of my posts.
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 02:34:48 PM
I have no issues with numbering as long as a part of a route is in the grid.
You must really hate the relationship between US-6 and US-20, then.
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 12:20:20 PM
To me it's not worth arguing over what route is coast to coast as there are far better things to be concerned.
I think you meant coat to cost.
Me to.
We should start a movement.
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Accepted.
Quote from: Rothman on November 09, 2022, 07:12:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Accepted.
Maybe the two of you can make up over a nice meal at Olive Garden.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 09, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 09, 2022, 07:12:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Accepted.
Maybe the two of you can make up over a nice meal at Olive Garden.
Never.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 09, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Maybe the two of you can make up over a nice meal at Olive Garden.
:no: You're terrible...
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2022, 10:37:05 AM
I just stopped here on the way to Serious.
I was going to give a detailed package of reasons, but this was the best response. :)
(Especially because I don't understand these drama-of-the-moment concerns.)
Quote from: hbelkins on November 09, 2022, 02:13:59 PM
I don't post or even read Fictional all that often, but I draw the line between ideas that are realistic vs. ideas that are dumb on their face.
Discussing alternate numbers for I-99, or giving interstate designations to the toll roads in Oklahoma or former toll roads in Kentucky, are things of merit and are actually feasible changes.
Proposing a freeway blasting through Yellowstone NP is one of several possible examples of nonsense proposals.
A serious idea deserves serious discussion. A truly ridiculous idea deserves ridicule. A little common sense goes a long way.
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible, like building a bridge from California to Hawaii or something. For the people who want to discuss building an Interstate through Yellowstone, why not let them? The goal isn't common sense or realism so it should not be a concern. It's like walking up to a hot dog stand and demanding filet mignon.
I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads, and imaginged what would had to be cut out for I-95 to be extended to Key West. Of course, that, in real life, is an absurdly stupid proposal, but there's no harm in imagining it for the sake of imagining it. I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate. Let people enjoy things, y'all. Nobody owns the hobby/interest of roadgeeking and doesn't get to decide what it is for somebody. It's toxic. There are plenty of more ridiculous threads with less substance than FritzOwl on this forum that people never have a problem with, like in Off-Topic.
If the entire internet was ran by this forum's members, nobody would have any fun. A lot of creative content on the internet is exploring fictional and impossible situations. There's no realistic or convincing timeline in which all the nukes on Earth are set off or Hitler takes over the world or if everything was free, yet there's videos on that that are enjoyable. Plenty of conversations I've had with people I know revolve around talking about made-up situations and what they'd entail. I don't see what's so different about some of the threads in Fictional Highways.
Quote from: index on November 10, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible ... I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads ... I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate.
The issue is that, if a majority of the people don't enjoy it, then the whole thread becomes annoying for them. If the whole thread is about a ridiculous idea, then they can simply ignore it. But, if ridiculous ideas take over an otherwise fun and interesting fictional thread, then what?
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: index on November 10, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible ... I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads ... I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate.
The issue is that, if a majority of the people don't enjoy it, then the whole thread becomes annoying for them. If the whole thread is about a ridiculous idea, then they can simply ignore it. But, if ridiculous ideas take over an otherwise fun and interesting fictional thread, then what?
A good example would be the "should I-11 take over I-19" thread. We don't need to hear about Reno being part of I-11 and the Feds suddenly wanting to make 90% funding contributions. The user in question has been asked to preform a self-reality check but has decided to engage what was a decent discussion with nonsense.
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: index on November 10, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible ... I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads ... I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate.
The issue is that, if a majority of the people don't enjoy it, then the whole thread becomes annoying for them. If the whole thread is about a ridiculous idea, then they can simply ignore it. But, if ridiculous ideas take over an otherwise fun and interesting fictional thread, then what?
Is that what's been going on? I haven't been active here too much as of late.
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: index on November 10, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible ... I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads ... I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate.
The issue is that, if a majority of the people don't enjoy it, then the whole thread becomes annoying for them. If the whole thread is about a ridiculous idea, then they can simply ignore it. But, if ridiculous ideas take over an otherwise fun and interesting fictional thread, then what?
Or just ignore *that* thread or *that* user. If they spill over into the other threads, notify a mod. It's easy to pick on the newbies but it's tiresome and wasteful to everyone else.
Always giving one's two cents is not to be confused with charity.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 10, 2022, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: index on November 10, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible ... I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads ... I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate.
The issue is that, if a majority of the people don't enjoy it, then the whole thread becomes annoying for them. If the whole thread is about a ridiculous idea, then they can simply ignore it. But, if ridiculous ideas take over an otherwise fun and interesting fictional thread, then what?
A good example would be the “should I-11 take over I-19” thread. We don’t need to hear about Reno being part of I-11 and the Feds suddenly wanting to make 90% funding contributions. The user in question has been asked to preform a self-reality check but has decided to engage what was a decent discussion with nonsense.
I’m talking about new posts or first time suggestions. Yes if a person is persistent like Ethan, Desiel, or this new guy who I think you’re talking about. However, one time I made a suggestion or two with some merit, and got scolded for even thinking about the idea behind it. Then there are those suggestions you make to non road geeks that you make here also, that get you the riot act.
Plus some on here hold grudges for things unrelated to roads that you talked about on Social Media and react to you because of those things you stated on FB or Twitter. Heck I got black listed from a potential other road forum hosted by a user on FB who didn’t like my views there on religion and politics. I found out from the owner of AARoads that the forum existed and was already banned from it before I could even join.
Then there is the Spelling and Grammar Nazi on here. Yes we should spell words correctly if we can or use correct grammar as well, but this one user gets overly upset when I misspell a word or even use “ Caption” over “ Capture” as he said this” I think road man has it in for me, and purposely uses bad grammar to piss me off!” Of course I did not do it deliberately nor was my intent to piss him off, especially when my fears coming on this forum is the result of pissing off one said user and a moderator who has it in for me for other reasons.
Then once on FB I spelled Louis Ferrakhan wrong and told me hastily that it’s spelled such and such and not the way I attempted it.That of course got the OP to remove his FB post due to the fact he didn’t want a political war on his wall.
Quote from: formulanone on November 10, 2022, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: index on November 10, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
I just don't see the harm or why it's so wrong. I think it can be valid and enjoyable to discuss fictional situations so long as it's not literally impossible ... I for one have discussed with friends, drawn up a bunch of weird maps, drawn up roads ... I enjoy it. If you don't like the thread, then just don't participate.
The issue is that, if a majority of the people don't enjoy it, then the whole thread becomes annoying for them. If the whole thread is about a ridiculous idea, then they can simply ignore it. But, if ridiculous ideas take over an otherwise fun and interesting fictional thread, then what?
Or just ignore *that* thread or *that* user. If they spill over into the other threads, notify a mod. It's easy to pick on the newbies but it's tiresome and wasteful to everyone else.
Always giving one's two cents is not to be confused with charity.
Not to mention the fact we blame a new user for a post a previous user once made years ago. Just like we erupt at the telemarketing rep who offers us the same product or service that a rude telemarketer once offered several weeks ago. It’s natural to be on guard that way. In fact don’t even suggest extending I-76 to Atlantic City anymore as it’s been so old and overly suggested in the past.
Then I once posted a Bud Schuster joke and got accused of Necroposting, despite the same time NE 2 cracked his own Schuster joke. Yet a user named Interstating blasted me to Moderator Alps to ban me from here, but had no reaction to NE2 when he necroposted Bud Schuster.
To me I felt picked on personally, but later found out about the troll on MTR named Blawpe or Blawp, who Interstating was alias for, who was a big annoyance on MTR from what I’ve heard. I’m guessing he personally knew NE 2, so he tolerated his behavior or just didn’t notice the SPUI necro post.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
... a potential other road forum ... on FB ...
*groan* Not this again. Nobody on this forum has to justify actions on another site. We don't need to hear about your Facebook drama.
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2022, 10:37:05 AM
I just stopped here on the way to Serious.
https://youtu.be/9MwA4wTOo5A
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
Then there is the Spelling and Grammar Nazi on here. Yes we should spell words correctly if we can or use correct grammar as well, but this one user gets overly upset when I misspell a word or even use " Caption" over " Capture" as he said this" I think road man has it in for me, and purposely uses bad grammar to piss me off!" Of course I did not do it deliberately nor was my intent to piss him off, especially when my fears coming on this forum is the result of pissing off one said user and a moderator who has it in for me for other reasons.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:30:33 PM
Then I once posted a Bud Schuster joke and got accused of Necroposting, despite the same time NE 2 cracked his own Schuster joke. Yet a user named Interstating blasted me to Moderator Alps to ban me from here, but had no reaction to NE2 when he necroposted Bud Schuster.
To me I felt picked on personally, but later found out about the troll on MTR named Blawpe or Blawp, who Interstating was alias for, who was a big annoyance on MTR from what I've heard. I'm guessing he personally knew NE 2, so he tolerated his behavior or just didn't notice the SPUI necro post.
This sounds a lot like you posted something people didn't like, and instead of taking responsibility for that and either living with the fact that someone didn't like it, or changing what you post to make sure that doesn't happen again, you've decided to blame everyone else for it.
If someone is complaining that you are necroposting, that is on you. It is not as if the date of a post can only be found by looking inside the air intake manifold of a specific 1972 AMC Gremlin in Laramie, Wyoming. It's at the top of every single post. If you failed to look at it, it is your fault.
Quote from: formulanone on November 10, 2022, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2022, 10:37:05 AM
I just stopped here on the way to Serious.
I was going to give a detailed package of reasons, but this was the best response. :)
(Especially because I don't understand these drama-of-the-moment concerns.)
Thanks, I was hoping someone would notice that one!
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 09, 2022, 03:54:55 PM
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
My opinion is that the grid should be rigid for the x0 and x5 interstates. For any other 2di, it ought to fit in the grid at some point, with two considerations.
1) the nature of our cities requires some diagonal interstates and renumbering a long interstate each time it crosses and x5 or x0 is impractical Example: I-69 is between I-65 and I-75 from Indianapolis to Port Huron, but then violates the grid south of Indy. It's impractical to change its number each time it crosses an x5, which would require 4 additional numbers once it's all built.
2) new interstates come into existence where no number fitting into the grid is available, and wholesale renumbering in order to make it fit is impractical
Keep in mind though that I-69 changes direction in Lansing and gets east of I-75 after it goes through Flint.
I don't think I take much seriously I used to be more of an ass but it gets boring after awhile. If I'm acting like an ass most of the time I'm doing it on purpose. As far as Fritzowl goes, I don't really care one way or the other because I have come to find his proposals pretty boring and I attacked a lot of his posts but after awhile he wouldn't reply, wouldn't answer any questions anyone asked so I figured screw it this is boring and went awhile without posting in his thread. I'll still look at his thread but a lot of times will just read a post then leave the thread without posting anything.
I mostly attacked his Michigan proposals like making US-23 south of Flint into I-875 for no reason at all, making the Lodge, Southfield and Davison Freeway's into Interstate's when I believe only the Davison is up to Interstate standards, making the Ambassador Bridge and Detroit-Windsor Tunnel into Interstates when neither one is anywhere close to Interstate standards, making US-131 into an Interstate, building an E-W Interstate across the Upper Peninsula and other things. He probably has US-10 as an Interstate between Farwell and Bay City too unless he isn't aware that it's a freeway there. Oh well though none of those things I mentioned are going to happen.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 10, 2022, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
Then there is the Spelling and Grammar Nazi on here. Yes we should spell words correctly if we can or use correct grammar as well, but this one user gets overly upset when I misspell a word or even use " Caption" over " Capture" as he said this" I think road man has it in for me, and purposely uses bad grammar to piss me off!" Of course I did not do it deliberately nor was my intent to piss him off, especially when my fears coming on this forum is the result of pissing off one said user and a moderator who has it in for me for other reasons.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:30:33 PM
Then I once posted a Bud Schuster joke and got accused of Necroposting, despite the same time NE 2 cracked his own Schuster joke. Yet a user named Interstating blasted me to Moderator Alps to ban me from here, but had no reaction to NE2 when he necroposted Bud Schuster.
To me I felt picked on personally, but later found out about the troll on MTR named Blawpe or Blawp, who Interstating was alias for, who was a big annoyance on MTR from what I've heard. I'm guessing he personally knew NE 2, so he tolerated his behavior or just didn't notice the SPUI necro post.
This sounds a lot like you posted something people didn't like, and instead of taking responsibility for that and either living with the fact that someone didn't like it, or changing what you post to make sure that doesn't happen again, you've decided to blame everyone else for it.
If someone is complaining that you are necroposting, that is on you. It is not as if the date of a post can only be found by looking inside the air intake manifold of a specific 1972 AMC Gremlin in Laramie, Wyoming. It's at the top of every single post. If you failed to look at it, it is your fault.
I'm not complaining. I'm not jealous either, however Blawpe was way before my time on here, and I moved on from telling old necro jokes about certain old politicians.
I just wasn't aware of the Blawpe thing and that he had some issues and he was not well received by many on here anyway. Yes. I Was new and didn't realize that certain things were old too, but whether Blawpe was a troll or not I got his message and haven't mentioned ole Buddy much since. Though, when your new and you see others get away breaking forum rules, you will wonder too why you're being singled out too.
Now I know shit happens in life and there will always be rules allowed to be broken by some and enforced on others not only in this forum but outside your doorstep. Look at your own leadership.
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
... a potential other road forum ... on FB ...
*groan* Not this again. Nobody on this forum has to justify actions on another site. We don't need to hear about your Facebook drama.
You're forgetting that there was an attempt a few years ago to ban me from this forum because of something I posted on Facebook.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 11, 2022, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
... a potential other road forum ... on FB ...
*groan* Not this again. Nobody on this forum has to justify actions on another site. We don't need to hear about your Facebook drama.
You're forgetting that there was an attempt a few years ago to ban me from this forum because of something I posted on Facebook.
I suppose we've just come to accept your controversial old cantankerous self. Congratulations, you're old enough not to be cancelled for your off-AARoads forum offensiveness. :D
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
Back in the day (as the saying goes), FritzOwl did his musings all over the place until he was restricted to Fictional.
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding and we're agreeing while looking like we're disagreeing. Often I even find myself arguing minor points that matter very little outside the main point; it's easy enough to do with the nature of threading. And sometimes one of us is just wrong or we just have different opinions. I think many of us here (including me) don't like that others have different opinions.
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
how dare i-93 pass inside i-95 in boston
Quote from: Alps on November 11, 2022, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
Back in the day (as the saying goes), FritzOwl did his musings all over the place until he was restricted to Fictional.
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding and we're agreeing while looking like we're disagreeing. Often I even find myself arguing minor points that matter very little outside the main point; it's easy enough to do with the nature of threading. And sometimes one of us is just wrong or we just have different opinions. I think many of us here (including me) don't like that others have different opinions.
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
how dare i-93 pass inside i-95 in boston
It doesn't. I-95 ceases to exist in Canton and re-emerges in Peabody. The in-between is and will always be MA 128.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 12, 2022, 12:29:53 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 11, 2022, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
Back in the day (as the saying goes), FritzOwl did his musings all over the place until he was restricted to Fictional.
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding and we're agreeing while looking like we're disagreeing. Often I even find myself arguing minor points that matter very little outside the main point; it's easy enough to do with the nature of threading. And sometimes one of us is just wrong or we just have different opinions. I think many of us here (including me) don't like that others have different opinions.
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
how dare i-93 pass inside i-95 in boston
It doesn't. I-95 ceases to exist in Canton and re-emerges in Peabody. The in-between is and will always be MA 128.
More proof that Boston's roads were created by drunk Irishmen...
Maybe "Just for fun!" should be added to the board's description to reiterate that that's all the board is: for fun.
Is the problem that Person A is hijacking or injecting their own ideas into Person B's thread? Maybe there needs to be a rule against that if there isn't already.
I don't really use the Fictional board much, but the idea that there's drama on something like that is rather amusing.
Then there’s MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
The Chicago troll was obsessed with missing ramps on the Eden’s Spur of the Tristate as well as no one supporting his hypotenuse proposal. However, this man is obsessed with the fact the State of New Jersey allow for the NJTA to charge expensively high tolls.
Talk about taking things way to serious. He won’t realize that his rants are not going to get NJTA to lower toll fares on the NJ Turnpike. Yet he wants us to know how pissed he is about NJ Beurocrisy but at the same time admitting he won’t write his rant to the deadbeats in office who have control, but personal loyalties prevail to their organizations.
Oh, and if the MIT grads on here want to take my misspelled word real serious, blame your cyber buddy Spell Correct who wouldn’t suggest the proper spelling of the word when I attempted to write it.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Then there's MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
DZ was just as obsessed with the Sabb brand as he was with the Hypotenuse. The Sabbifesto in particular is becoming quaint in this increasingly EV-centric automotive world:
http://dzlsabe.com/aboutus.html
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Then there's MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
DZ was just as obsessed with the Sabb brand as he was with the Hypotenuse. The Sabbifesto in particular is becoming quaint in this increasingly EV-centric automotive world:
http://dzlsabe.com/aboutus.html
And he was also obsessed with people outside Chicagoland getting more or equal attention as the big metro is from Illinois state government.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Then there's MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
DZ was just as obsessed with the Sabb brand as he was with the Hypotenuse. The Sabbifesto in particular is becoming quaint in this increasingly EV-centric automotive world:
http://dzlsabe.com/aboutus.html
And he was also obsessed with people outside Chicagoland getting more or equal attention as the big metro is from Illinois state government.
I do wonder though, what was DZ's stance on Illinois being flat?
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Then there's MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
The Chicago troll was obsessed with missing ramps on the Eden's Spur of the Tristate as well as no one supporting his hypotenuse proposal. However, this man is obsessed with the fact the State of New Jersey allow for the NJTA to charge expensively high tolls.
Talk about taking things way to serious. He won't realize that his rants are not going to get NJTA to lower toll fares on the NJ Turnpike. Yet he wants us to know how pissed he is about NJ Beurocrisy but at the same time admitting he won't write his rant to the deadbeats in office who have control, but personal loyalties prevail to their organizations.
Oh, and if the MIT grads on here want to take my misspelled word real serious, blame your cyber buddy Spell Correct who wouldn't suggest the proper spelling of the word when I attempted to write it.
done and done </hipocrasy>
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 09, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 09, 2022, 07:12:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Accepted.
Maybe the two of you can make up over a nice meal at Olive Garden.
We need to build an Olive Garden in Joliet.
Quote from: froggie on November 12, 2022, 06:22:54 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 12, 2022, 12:29:53 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 11, 2022, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: skluth on November 09, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
I don't mind FritzOwl as much, as he keeps his fictional musings in his own thread. Meanwhile, the new guy with like 30 posts per day average a week after joining are serious about their "fictional" plans being implemented in reality and keeps bombarding non-fictional threads with them, so we treat their plans more critically and seriously than someone that knows their plan is fictional.
And my guess about the I-82 numbering (as well as the numbering of I-238 and I-99, etc) are that they're dead horses we're continuously beating, so they're getting old at this point.
Back in the day (as the saying goes), FritzOwl did his musings all over the place until he was restricted to Fictional.
It's also important to remember here that many here, including me, are 'on the spectrum' which means it's often harder to understand context. I know I've pissed off people here, sometimes intentionally, but often it's just a misunderstanding and we're agreeing while looking like we're disagreeing. Often I even find myself arguing minor points that matter very little outside the main point; it's easy enough to do with the nature of threading. And sometimes one of us is just wrong or we just have different opinions. I think many of us here (including me) don't like that others have different opinions.
Frankly, I find some posters devotion to the grid almost religious in nature. Yes, this is an opinion. The grid is a guide and from my POV only the most egregious violations (e.g. I-99) bother me while highways that cross each other and only violate the grid in at one end (e.g., I-40 and I-44) don't bother me at all. Just using this as an example. If you disagree, fine. But, IMO, you're wrong. But this is fundamentally an opinion.
how dare i-93 pass inside i-95 in boston
It doesn't. I-95 ceases to exist in Canton and re-emerges in Peabody. The in-between is and will always be MA 128.
More proof that Boston's roads were created by drunk Irishmen...
Mobbed up Italians had a hand as well. My people want their due credit.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Then there's MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
DZ was just as obsessed with the Sabb brand as he was with the Hypotenuse. The Sabbifesto in particular is becoming quaint in this increasingly EV-centric automotive world:
http://dzlsabe.com/aboutus.html
I just lost tons of brain cells going to that website. I wonder when he last updated it, given there is a Bill O'Reilly rant on there...
Quote from: SectorZ on November 14, 2022, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Then there's MultimillionMiler who is another Deizlsaab except with different focus.
DZ was just as obsessed with the Sabb brand as he was with the Hypotenuse. The Sabbifesto in particular is becoming quaint in this increasingly EV-centric automotive world:
http://dzlsabe.com/aboutus.html
I just lost tons of brain cells going to that website. I wonder when he last updated it, given there is a Bill O'Reilly rant on there...
He last updated it when he yanked his Hypotenuse manifesto. It was titled under something like "the missing link."
Quote from: JoePCool14 on November 12, 2022, 08:21:19 AM
Is the problem that Person A is hijacking or injecting their own ideas into Person B's thread? Maybe there needs to be a rule against that if there isn't already.
It's a forum, therefore it isn't any one person's thread. Other than disregard for specific criteria laid out by the thread title or the OP, the author shouldn't really be able to say "get out of my thread".
What is disallowed by the forum rules is starting a topic that has nothing to do with the main topic of the thread. This is, of course, moderated with a very long leash, as conversation usually tends to get back on track on its own.
Quote from: kphoger on November 14, 2022, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on November 12, 2022, 08:21:19 AM
Is the problem that Person A is hijacking or injecting their own ideas into Person B's thread? Maybe there needs to be a rule against that if there isn't already.
It's a forum, therefore it isn't any one person's thread. Other than disregard for specific criteria laid out by the thread title or the OP, the author shouldn't really be able to say "get out of my thread".
What is disallowed by the forum rules is starting a topic that has nothing to do with the main topic of the thread. This is, of course, moderated with a very long leash, as conversation usually tends to get back on track on its own.
I think there's a pretty obvious line between a conversation naturally sidetracking (the conversation led in a different direction and can steer itself back) and another that becomes artificially sidetracked for a user's own attention/amusement (i.e. trolling).
Quote from: kphoger on November 14, 2022, 02:43:37 PM... conversation usually tends to get back on track on its own.
That could be the subject of heavy debate on its own...
Quote from: kirbykart on November 14, 2022, 08:36:39 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 09, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 09, 2022, 07:12:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Accepted.
Maybe the two of you can make up over a nice meal at Olive Garden.
We need to build an Olive Garden in Joliet.
Only if it's built on hilly terrain.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 14, 2022, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on November 14, 2022, 08:36:39 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 09, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 09, 2022, 07:12:01 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 09, 2022, 06:43:46 AM
It seems we insult people we haven't met or know who they are here.
This is true. It's much easier to be mean on a keyboard than it is in person. I'm probably guilty of this more than anyone, and I owe everyone an apology.
Accepted.
Maybe the two of you can make up over a nice meal at Olive Garden.
We need to build an Olive Garden in Joliet.
Only if it's built on hilly terrain.
Make Illinois not flat again
^^ https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/olive-garden-plans-joliet-restaurant-opening-2022
Well...if you all are going talk about being serious, get with the groove.
Quote from: kphoger on November 22, 2022, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on November 22, 2022, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 22, 2022, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 22, 2022, 04:02:41 PM
Telling someone that your opinion is obvious is not an argument.
This is what I mean.
Yes MMM is making it sound like it's common sense to renumber any highway he feels needs renumbering, but kppoger should know he isn't using the right verbiage in his vocabulary. However, I'm not here to judge him. In fact I'm giving him the benefit as MMM is another Dzlsabe and won't shut up about his convictions on road politics.
I know he is weary as many others are here of that guy's rants about tolls and I-80 terminating too soon on the east coast. I'm not going to argue that here nor am I going to defend his suggestion and hypothetical reasonings over child I-4 freeways on the FL toll roads.
Just pointing out how we overreact whether the reason behind it whether worthy of merit or or dumb. Then we all outside here get called weirdos for so being into roads by others out there who think it's useless knowledge to talk about, but then on here we do even weirder things on here when we conform everyone to proper grammar and spelling proving the outsiders who thing road enthusiasts are eccentric correct.
Heck one time a moderator thought I was being political when I suggested the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel in NYC be named after those who died on 9/11 instead of Hugh Carey. He thought my reasoning was Hugh L. Carey's political affiliation which it was far from as I didn't even know what party Gov. Carey even was. He jumped the gun because I posted some religious and political stuff on social media, and assumed I was a Republican in my personal life. Truth be told, I'm a view person rather than an a stereotype and vote usually the lesser of two evils or third party, or even a write in vote as I done in one specific election due to being undecided in Romney verses Obama.
Point is we jump the gun for whatever reason on people and we get super heated on many occasions especially our Spectrum Crowd. That's why I say we need to not get our tempers up and whine over silly stuff. Yes MMM is a whiner, but sooner or later he is going to get tired and move along. Why feed his hunger for curiosity or give him reason to over rebut his points, whatever they are.
^ Whoa, I am not sure what happened to the above quote, but it doesn't look right...
Quote from: webny99 on November 23, 2022, 10:44:35 AM
^ Whoa, I am not sure what happened to the above quote, but it doesn't look right...
Almost all of that text is what |roadman65| typed in response. I was going to say something about the formatting, but then he would have griped about
that.
Quote from: kphoger on November 23, 2022, 10:54:47 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 23, 2022, 10:44:35 AM
^ Whoa, I am not sure what happened to the above quote, but it doesn't look right...
Almost all of that text is what |roadman65| typed in response. I was going to say something about the formatting, but then he would have griped about that.
I actually thought it was
all roadman65's text.
Four quotes + text inside only two of them = :confused:
OK, I rarely take the time to do this, but here you go. These are all of the posts quoted, sorted out in chronological order:
Quote from: kkt on November 22, 2022, 04:02:41 PM
Telling someone that your opinion is obvious is not an argument.
Quote from: kphoger on November 22, 2022, 04:05:44 PM
Indeed. For example, here are my two counter-arguments, which are just as strong as MultiDozenMiler's:
1. It is not obvious that those two highways should be I-204 and I-404.
2. It is obvious that those two highway should not be I-204 and I-404.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on November 22, 2022, 04:22:55 PM
The argument is that those routes simply don't intersect I-4 one time or have one end at it..etc, they appear almost exactly like beltways/loops, directly attached to I-4. The existing route number doesn't have to be removed so it doesn't worsen any confusion or existing grid pattern. Very simple.
Quote from: kphoger on November 22, 2022, 04:26:32 PM
None of that makes it obvious that they should become I-anything.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 23, 2022, 01:10:04 AM
This is what I mean.
Yes MMM is making it sound like it's common sense to renumber any highway he feels needs renumbering, but kppoger should know he isn't using the right verbiage in his vocabulary. However, I'm not here to judge him. In fact I'm giving him the benefit as MMM is another Dzlsabe and won't shut up about his convictions on road politics.
I know he is weary as many others are here of that guy's rants about tolls and I-80 terminating too soon on the east coast. I'm not going to argue that here nor am I going to defend his suggestion and hypothetical reasonings over child I-4 freeways on the FL toll roads.
Just pointing out how we overreact whether the reason behind it whether worthy of merit or or dumb. Then we all outside here get called weirdos for so being into roads by others out there who think it's useless knowledge to talk about, but then on here we do even weirder things on here when we conform everyone to proper grammar and spelling proving the outsiders who thing road enthusiasts are eccentric correct.
Heck one time a moderator thought I was being political when I suggested the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel in NYC be named after those who died on 9/11 instead of Hugh Carey. He thought my reasoning was Hugh L. Carey's political affiliation which it was far from as I didn't even know what party Gov. Carey even was. He jumped the gun because I posted some religious and political stuff on social media, and assumed I was a Republican in my personal life. Truth be told, I'm a view person rather than an a stereotype and vote usually the lesser of two evils or third party, or even a write in vote as I done in one specific election due to being undecided in Romney verses Obama.
Point is we jump the gun for whatever reason on people and we get super heated on many occasions especially our Spectrum Crowd. That's why I say we need to not get our tempers up and whine over silly stuff. Yes MMM is a whiner, but sooner or later he is going to get tired and move along. Why feed his hunger for curiosity or give him reason to over rebut his points, whatever they are.
Goodness, so only two of those are actually included here. Well, thanks for doing that.
Quote from: webny99 on November 23, 2022, 12:10:35 PM
Goodness, so only two of those are actually included here. Well, thanks for doing that.
Actually, I think he's implying that I should have known what MultiDozenMiler meant by "obvious"–known that he meant some other "verbiage in his vocabulary" instead.
Quote from: kphoger on November 23, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 23, 2022, 12:10:35 PM
Goodness, so only two of those are actually included here. Well, thanks for doing that.
Actually, I think he's implying that I should have known what MultiDozenMiler meant by "obvious"–known that he meant some other "verbiage in his vocabulary" instead.
OK, I
think I got it now, although of course, you never know for sure. Either way, it was a thoroughly enjoyable rant. :-D
I agree, I'm not a very serious guy and I wish that this forum was less serious. We can all joke around without complaining all the time. On the other hand, sometimes people post a very serious, thought out post and everyone just makes a bunch of lame jokes in response. Especially on fictional highways.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 30, 2022, 11:20:24 PM
I agree, I'm not a very serious guy and I wish that this forum was less serious. We can all joke around without complaining all the time. On the other hand, sometimes people post a very serious, thought out post and everyone just makes a bunch of lame jokes in response. Especially on fictional highways.
When I posted a serious topic last in Fictional the subject of this thread tried to hijack as he did other serious threads. I'm sorry, when I devote several hours of pouring through AASHTO documents it kind of pisses me off when a certain rollercoaster enthusiast tried to override a serious hypothetical question based in actual history.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:26:26 PM
The only hypocrisy I find is that if people are allowed to post about certain people in New threads, it's only fair that that person can respond to them in that same thread. Otherwise, all comments about that person should go into that person's containment thread, otherwise it's only fair that the person in question can respond to them outside that containment thread. I personally don't mind people talking about each other in random threads, but they should be able to respond as well.
So why not quit the forum and avoid all the hypocrisy?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
The only thing I am surprised at is how many people are into all the technical geographical/economic/political implications of fictional highways. I thought roadgeeks would mainly be obsessed with the grid and building new highways than how feasible it would be. Even on suggestions just involving redesignations, I never expected people to start responding with how it would cost $100,000 in signage..etc. But in general you guys are cool, and the mods seem much more engaged than on other social media where they just delete/lock stuff they don't agree with and you don't even know why or who..etc. Also, given how the intro board is like "don't let on how crazy we are" I figured there were many more grid fanatics like me LOL
Speaking for myself at least, but I believe others feel similarly...
When I was younger (well before my days on this forum), yes it was absolutely fun to doodle roadways, plan out fictional interstates, renumber things for the sake of the grid, imagine way-overdesigned interchanges. etc. But as I got older, studied civil engineering in college, and now work in transportation engineering, I found I just didn't get any enjoyment out of those sorts of things anymore because I now knew how the process works and just how expensive such projects can be, the work that goes into simply securing the funding, the lawsuits & debates over environmental implications, etc.
With that said, the fictional thread generally serves its purpose well and I can still occasionally have fun reading some of the semi-realistic stuff there. But it's also easy to ignore when I'm not in a fictional mood, which is most of the time.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:26:26 PM
The only hypocrisy I find is that if people are allowed to post about certain people in New threads, it's only fair that that person can respond to them in that same thread. Otherwise, all comments about that person should go into that person's containment thread, otherwise it's only fair that the person in question can respond to them outside that containment thread. I personally don't mind people talking about each other in random threads, but they should be able to respond as well.
So why not quit the forum and avoid all the hypocrisy?
Because it doesn't personally bother me. I don't let myself get worked up over internet posts. That was just the only "flaw" I could find in the overall functioning of the forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
I don't generally post outside of my containment thread unless I am actually interested in the topic in question
And inserting your blather into the PA Turnpike
News[/b] thread.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
I find this forum pretty civil, much more civil and rational than youtube comments for example. In fact, this is the only form of social media right now I have because everything else is either tyrannical in their censorship or totally uninteresting. I consider this forum part of my driving hobby and not just "screen time".
Several years ago, it was more toxic. It has definitely tamed down since then. There were flare-ups at the beginning of COVID, but those died down eventually (especially when the thread was locked).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
The only thing I am surprised at is how many people are into all the technical geographical/economic/political implications of fictional highways. I thought roadgeeks would mainly be obsessed with the grid and building new highways than how feasible it would be ... I figured there were many more grid fanatics like me
You were wrong. Not everyone gets a rise out of doodling numbers on a map.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
LOL
LOL
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 02:11:13 PM
I can imagine. I would never even think of mentioning covid in an online forum. Most of my designation extensions weren't just doodling, they were to eliminate obvious abominations, like I-495 being longer than I-95 in the same state.
What is the old saying that used to get threads locked? Was it "Trump is a mezzanine?" How about "Trump is a mezzanine with super COVID brought on by Daylight Savings Time?"
No clue, I just joined a month ago. I also deleted facebook/Twitter over a year ago. Youtube I don't even use an account. I didn't even vote in the midterms.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 02:18:24 PM
No clue, I just joined a month ago. I also deleted facebook/Twitter over a year ago. Youtube I don't even use an account. I didn't even vote in the midterms.
Who cares?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
...Even on suggestions just involving redesignations, I never expected people to start responding with how it would cost $100,000 in signage..etc...
I will say, there's quite a number of people on here that I think would find all the costs of building a highway fascinating. Many are concerned about what they see, but forget about what they don't see, or don't give a second thought to. Many people will gripe about APLs and the size of the arrows because they cost a lot more than more traditional big green signage that's smaller (although they can never provide actual costs for either option). But they completely ignore things like should a narrow median have a concrete jersey barrier versus a guardrail, even though jersey barriers cost multiple times more than guardrail. Or the end treatment of the guardrail, which modern, updated ones cost multiple times more than older, simpler designs. Or the cost of a 30x36" sign, vs using a 24x30" sign. Or drainage inlets and basins. The list is endless.
I've tried in the past to show some of these costs based on bid results for various construction projects, but gave up when I realized people aren't concerned about what things cost; they just dislike a really large green sign.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
The only thing I am surprised at is how many people are into all the technical geographical/economic/political implications of fictional highways.
Our forum has lots of civil engineers, planners, DOT workers, history buffs, long-distance drivers, travelers, road warriors, driving enthusiasts, and those into transportation. We're not all here for quite the exact same reasons.
QuoteI thought roadgeeks would mainly be obsessed with the grid and building new highways than how feasible it would be. Even on suggestions just involving redesignations, I never expected people to start responding with how it would cost $100,000 in signage..etc.
How interesting would this place be if we all agreed? And there's many of us who aren't obsessed with The Grid because within any system, there's always exceptions. A lot of the stringent attitudes might have made sense 20+ years ago, but this land is not a giant flat rectangle and many folks get around without maps. The Grid makes sense from the standpoint of a predetermined example of Point A and Point B, which would be great if every town, city, hamlet, borough, township, and village were placed in alphabetical order.
The Grid gives people some order where they think it's needed, yet many states and most other countries do fine without it. Many of us have just let it go. There's a lot more people and communities to think of than shaving 10 minutes off my commute. We don't really live in a world where a suit and tie can tell us that our traffic / economic / social problems will be solved with 5 years and some bulldozers.
Lastly, some of us actually enjoy driving on some windy two-lane road for the thrill and beauty of it. I've lived in places where the road doesn't change direction for 30+ miles, and that's rarely held my enthusiasm for long.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 05, 2022, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
...Even on suggestions just involving redesignations, I never expected people to start responding with how it would cost $100,000 in signage..etc...
I will say, there's quite a number of people on here that I think would find all the costs of building a highway fascinating. Many are concerned about what they see, but forget about what they don't see, or don't give a second thought to. Many people will gripe about APLs and the size of the arrows because they cost a lot more than more traditional big green signage that's smaller (although they can never provide actual costs for either option). But they completely ignore things like should a narrow median have a concrete jersey barrier versus a guardrail, even though jersey barriers cost multiple times more than guardrail. Or the end treatment of the guardrail, which modern, updated ones cost multiple times more than older, simpler designs. Or the cost of a 30x36" sign, vs using a 24x30" sign. Or drainage inlets and basins. The list is endless.
I've tried in the past to show some of these costs based on bid results for various construction projects, but gave up when I realized people aren't concerned about what things cost; they just dislike a really large green sign.
It’s always easier to have critics who know it all. Even in the restaurant industry, for example, I used to always think that in large crowds an establishment should open all tables and not have closed sections as many would have you wait fifteen minutes for a table when several are available at the time. Then when I went to work in a restaurant I saw why it’s done that way.
In order to have a full dining room you must be staffed to handle it all. Sitting someone down and having them wait just for a staff member to acknowledge them even, is not that satisfying to the customer. It would be better to wait in the lobby until such a server is available then to give rotten service. That’s why Dennys sucks on graveyard. Their management believes no tables should be closed. However, some of go by looks and don’t see the whole picture.
Of course most upper management thinks it’s real easy to operate the lowest part of the company, especially since most CEOs never worked themselves to the top. Plus add cameras and cyber stuff with micro managing and it creates more know it alls on top. IMO, big wigs are the biggest critics of working class people because they really don’t know the whole business. The math skills is only half of it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 02:26:33 PM
I'm from NYS, and didn't like Kathy or Zeldin, nor do I even understand most of how the Senate/House works. I mean if one politician promised they were going to add the long island expressway to I-80 or something, that may make me go out and vote for them, but then if they broke that promise, that should be automatic impeachment and blacklisting from running for any political position anywhere ever again.
I reiterate my same response.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
I thought roadgeeks would ...
Your expectations are kind of like expecting all science nerds to be Star Trek nuts.
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
I thought roadgeeks would ...
Your expectations are kind of like expecting all science nerds to be Star Trek nuts.
Before I found this forum I figured most people in the road community were into driving stuff like mountain roads and old highway alignments. Turns out the community is more diverse than I originally suspected and it was just the crowd I was running with that was into the same things as me. I suspect MMM also had some preconceived notions that the road community would be homogenized towards grid perfectionism.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
I thought roadgeeks would ...
Your expectations are kind of like expecting all science nerds to be Star Trek nuts.
Before I found this forum I figured most people in the road community were into driving stuff like mountain roads and old highway alignments. Turns out the community is more diverse than I originally suspected and it was just the crowd I was running with that was into the same things as me. I suspect MMM also had some preconceived notions that the road community would be homogenized towards grid perfectionism.
When I first joined I didn’t realize politics would be an issue until I mentioned a name of a local radio host. Apparently one bipolar user on here was from my area and knew the guy I was talking about and started to imply that dislike of toll roads was a Republican statement and he was not that. In other words my post was about toll roads.
However at the time I worked with some social class people who believed that the rich white folks and GOP were pro toll and Leftists were anti toll. So I then realized the user was full of shit.
Anyway, that is when I learned politics was even here and you have to not say certain names or issues.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 02:16:00 PM
What is the old saying that used to get threads locked? Was it "Trump is a mezzanine?"
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
That is when I learned politics was even here and you have to not say certain names or issues.
Unless you call that person a xenophobic tushy jester. Then it's OK.
Alternatively,
it's all |1|'s fault (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21384.msg2269529#msg2269529).
Quote from: kphoger on October 28, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Sarcasm is really difficult to detect in print format...
With one exception: when the sarcastic post links directly to your non-sarcastic opinion:
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Alternatively, it's all |1|'s fault (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21384.msg2269529#msg2269529).
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 28, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Sarcasm is really difficult to detect in print format...
With one exception: when the sarcastic post links directly to your non-sarcastic opinion:
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Alternatively, it's all |1|'s fault (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21384.msg2269529#msg2269529).
That was intended to link to the post by |1| in between my own two. Did that not happen correctly?
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 28, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Sarcasm is really difficult to detect in print format...
With one exception: when the sarcastic post links directly to your non-sarcastic opinion:
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Alternatively, it's all |1|'s fault (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21384.msg2269529#msg2269529).
That was intended to link to the post by |1| in between my own two. Did that not happen correctly?
It linked correctly, but I could still see your post on the subject without so much as having to scroll down!
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 02:26:33 PM
I'm from NYS, and didn't like Kathy or Zeldin, nor do I even understand most of how the Senate/House works. I mean if one politician promised they were going to add the long island expressway to I-80 or something, that may make me go out and vote for them, but then if they broke that promise, that should be automatic impeachment and blacklisting from running for any political position anywhere ever again.
Most politically educated person
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:59:21 PM
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
First we should find out if it was a misspelling, or if he was referring to another place entirely. Hopefully he handles this hot button issue correctly with his political future hanging in the balances!
I think it was actually a racial slur. Cancel him.
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:59:21 PM
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
Misspelling should not disqualify me. Just look at the intellengence of some of the politicians running for office today, misspelling is the least of my concerns.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:59:21 PM
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
Misspelling should not disqualify me. Just look at the intellengence of some of the politicians running for office today, misspelling is the least of my concerns.
RGT, you had an easy path to get out of this by saying you were talking about a different place entirely. But now, I'm not sure if it's going to be possible to come back from this. :paranoid:
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 04:11:21 PM
I think it was actually a racial slur. Banish him.
FIFY, send him for the long walk upon the Cursed Earth.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:59:21 PM
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
Misspelling should not disqualify me. Just look at the intellengence of some of the politicians running for office today, misspelling is the least of my concerns.
RGT, you had an easy path to get out of this by saying you were talking about a different place entirely. But now, I'm not sure if it's going to be possible to come back from this. :paranoid:
I will say that I made an honest mistake and that I will apologize to the good people of Alanland.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:59:21 PM
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
Misspelling should not disqualify me. Just look at the intellengence of some of the politicians running for office today, misspelling is the least of my concerns.
RGT, you had an easy path to get out of this by saying you were talking about a different place entirely. But now, I'm not sure if it's going to be possible to come back from this. :paranoid:
I will say that I made an honest mistake and that I will apologize to the good people of Alanland.
Apologize only to the good people?
Yep, people on here are really too serious, it's even showing on this thread. Just like when I made the statement about Oklahoma's horrible Healthcare, which is true:
https://topagency.com/report/best-worst-states-to-live-in/
Everyone flipped out immediately.
Quote from: GaryV on December 05, 2022, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 05, 2022, 03:59:21 PM
By the way, if you scroll even farther down/up (depending on your settings), you'll see that RGT hates allanland. Note the misspelling, but also note the historical context in which it was posted. Should this disqualify him from running for office?
Misspelling should not disqualify me. Just look at the intellengence of some of the politicians running for office today, misspelling is the least of my concerns.
RGT, you had an easy path to get out of this by saying you were talking about a different place entirely. But now, I'm not sure if it's going to be possible to come back from this. :paranoid:
I will say that I made an honest mistake and that I will apologize to the goat people of Alanland.
Apologize only to the goat people?
FIFY you both, try to keep up.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 04:44:34 PM
Yep, people on here are really too serious, it's even showing on this thread. Just like when I made the statement about Oklahoma's horrible Healthcare, which is true:
https://topagency.com/report/best-worst-states-to-live-in/
Everyone flipped out immediately.
As a general rule of thumb, most rural southern states will not have very good health outcomes.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 05, 2022, 02:39:13 PM
Many people will gripe about APLs and the size of the arrows because they cost a lot more than more traditional big green signage that's smaller (although they can never provide actual costs for either option).
I mean, I work for a sign company, so I could provide what our price would be. But a) it'd probably be a lot higher than the actual cost because our processes are optimized for smaller signs and b) I'm not getting paid to work up the quote :P
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 04:44:34 PM
Yep, people on here are really too serious, it's even showing on this thread. Just like when I made the statement about Oklahoma's horrible Healthcare, which is true:
https://topagency.com/report/best-worst-states-to-live-in/
Everyone flipped out immediately.
People didn't flip out because you said Oklahoma had horrible healthcare (nobody would dispute that, least of all the Oklahomans, who know we have horrible everything), people flipped out because you said you were surprised we had doctor's offices, which is a ridiculous thing to say.
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 05:01:03 PM
As a general rule of thumb, most rural southern states will not have very good health outcomes.
Yes, but what is the South? :awesomeface:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
What does it feel like to have no remorse for the things that you do and have all criticism just bounce right off you? I've always wanted to know what that felt like for a day or two to have that level of self assurance.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
What does it feel like to have no remorse for the things that you do and have all criticism just bounce right off you? I've always wanted to know what that felt like for a day or two to have that level of self assurance.
"Remorse" and "self assurance" for an improperly worded internet post? I have more important things to focus my energy on. This is the exact thing roadman was talking about. Making a moral issue out of the most trivial things. Should I print out all my 960 posts so I know which 10 or 20 demand repentance and should bring to Confession?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:26:51 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
What does it feel like to have no remorse for the things that you do and have all criticism just bounce right off you? I've always wanted to know what that felt like for a day or two to have that level of self assurance.
"Remorse" and "self assurance" for an improperly worded internet post? I have more important things to focus my energy on. This is the exact thing roadman was talking about. Making a moral issue out of the most trivial things. Should I print out all my 960 posts so I know which 10 or 20 demand repentance and should bring to Confession?
Somehow I doubt that considering how often you are on the forum solely to defend the things you say.
We do have our own forum deity in the form of Goat Jesus you can "try" seek repentance from. Although, you strike me more as someone who would fit in better at the Church of Wallethub.
Are you sure that you aren't a devote follower of Wallethubism? All the things you are saying sound way too similar to a certain "flat lander" to be a coincidence.
Please expound on "manspreading" for us in the crowd who may not be familiar with the term.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
If you don't want to be ridiculed, don't be ridiculous.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:26:51 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
What does it feel like to have no remorse for the things that you do and have all criticism just bounce right off you? I've always wanted to know what that felt like for a day or two to have that level of self assurance.
"Remorse" and "self assurance" for an improperly worded internet post? I have more important things to focus my energy on. This is the exact thing roadman was talking about. Making a moral issue out of the most trivial things. Should I print out all my 960 posts so I know which 10 or 20 demand repentance and should bring to Confession?
Somehow I doubt that considering how often you are on the forum solely to defend the things you say.
We do have our own forum deity in the form of Goat Jesus you can "try" seek repentance from. Although, you strike me more as someone who would fit in better at the Church of Wallethub.
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day. That's not even 2 an hour during the daytime even if there were no weekends. And I never attacked anyone who was against my fictional highway plans. That's what the whole purpose of a forum is for, but what gets me is the over-moralization and dramatization of internet posts. Even cancel culture, as ridiculous as it is, generally applies to public figures who are read by millions of people, not someone on a road forum where 2 or 3 people from a specific state may ever see your posts. If someone said "long island is a heroin dump shithole full of weirdos" I am not going to take offense at that despite living there. So don't know why people got so sensitive at my posts about Oklahoma (as an example).
I'm pretty much on the forum all the time because my job is work from home and I check this forum during work every 20 minutes or so. While I was in school, I would often check during class. Because of this, I have about 20% of my time since joining in 2013 as being considered online – 744 days. My post average per day? 3.667. You can always read something and choose not to post.
It's gone up recently, and I feel like I need to keep it down, but I don't know if it's actually an issue or not.
Most recent 1000 posts: March 9; 271 days; average 3.69
Most recent 100 posts: November 21; 14 days; average 7
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:26:51 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
It was an expression, still ridiculous for everyone else to flip out over choice of words.
What does it feel like to have no remorse for the things that you do and have all criticism just bounce right off you? I've always wanted to know what that felt like for a day or two to have that level of self assurance.
"Remorse" and "self assurance" for an improperly worded internet post? I have more important things to focus my energy on. This is the exact thing roadman was talking about. Making a moral issue out of the most trivial things. Should I print out all my 960 posts so I know which 10 or 20 demand repentance and should bring to Confession?
Somehow I doubt that considering how often you are on the forum solely to defend the things you say.
We do have our own forum deity in the form of Goat Jesus you can "try" seek repentance from. Although, you strike me more as someone who would fit in better at the Church of Wallethub.
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day. That's not even 2 an hour during the daytime even if there were no weekends. And I never attacked anyone who was against my fictional highway plans. That's what the whole purpose of a forum is for, but what gets me is the over-moralization and dramatization of internet posts. Even cancel culture, as ridiculous as it is, generally applies to public figures who are read by millions of people, not someone on a road forum where 2 or 3 people from a specific state may ever see your posts. If someone said "long island is a heroin dump shithole full of weirdos" I am not going to take offense at that despite living there. So don't know why people got so sensitive at my posts about Oklahoma (as an example).
You're the one who wants credibility in this community but has done nothing to earn it. Saying things like this and derailing legitimate threads aren't going to endear you to anyone. But that's why I asked a couple posts prior, how does it feel to have an unflappable level of self assurance in the face of an entire community against you?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
... And I never attacked anyone who was against my fictional highway plans. That's what the whole purpose of a forum is for ...
If the whole purpose of this forum was for fictional plans, I'd never be here. My primary interest is historical, with some other lesser interests. Others are all about traffic signals or signs. Others about road pictures and travel plans.
Fictional is just a small part of the forum. If I recall, it doesn't even appear until you become a member. It's not that important to many of us.
Quote from: GaryV on December 05, 2022, 05:50:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
... And I never attacked anyone who was against my fictional highway plans. That's what the whole purpose of a forum is for ...
If the whole purpose of this forum was for fictional plans, I'd never be here. My primary interest is historical, with some other lesser interests. Others are all about traffic signals or signs. Others about road pictures and travel plans.
Fictional is just a small part of the forum. If I recall, it doesn't even appear until you become a member. It's not that important to many of us.
In my case I co-admin a history oriented road page. Even though it's a hobby page I've dumped probably a couple thousand hours into the research aspect just for California. I know that I'm not the only one interested in that kind of thing given Gribblenation has three other admins and I frequently collaborate with cahighways (lately with the caroutebyroute podcast). So yeah, I guess it would be fair to say that I do take the hobby of roads and highways serious.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:26:51 PM
Should I print out all my 960 posts so I know which 10 or 20 demand repentance and should bring to Confession?
Yes. Laser jet printers are preferable to ink jet printers for this purpose, to reduce the amount of smudging onto your highlighters. Even so, it's best to let the pages dry for a couple of hours before going over them.
Quote from: GaryV on December 05, 2022, 05:50:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
... And I never attacked anyone who was against my fictional highway plans. That's what the whole purpose of a forum is for ...
If the whole purpose of this forum was for fictional plans, I'd never be here. My primary interest is historical, with some other lesser interests. Others are all about traffic signals or signs. Others about road pictures and travel plans.
Fictional is just a small part of the forum. If I recall, it doesn't even appear until you become a member. It's not that important to many of us.
Yeah, fictional highway plans are most definitely
not the whole purpose of this forum.
A whole community against me LOL maybe the same 12 people have been replying to topics I posted in, out of 5000 members.
I only post in fictional highways mostly, so I don't see the problem.
@1
I've posted at red lights, at 5 am when I have insomnia, its not that big of a deal.
@Max
That video was about some guy taking up to much space with his legs on a plane, yet people argue endlessly about it in 100+ comment long chains, writing half a page long comments about the most trivial issues that don't even affect them. The fact that things like this even make the news is unbelievable. At least I am interested in driving/roads so of course I am going to spend more time and put more effort into this forum, being the only forum I post on as of now. I don't write paragraphs arguing endlessly about dozens of random trivial news stories/topics that 99 percent of the public don't give a shit about. That fact that you bring terms like remorse and self assurance into this only further proves roadman's point. Fritz owls thread has gone on for 300 pages, so whats the big deal with me posting only fictional interstate highway plans, that are also a bit more logical as a bonus?
So, fair to say in your book that manspreading is no big thing? Do you regularly manspread?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
I rarely fly at all. The last time I flew before my charlotte/fury325 trip was 9 years ago. No, it is not a news worthy topic. The atrocious airline customer service by the airlines themselves? Maybe, but not videos like that.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 05, 2022, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 01:05:19 PM
...Even on suggestions just involving redesignations, I never expected people to start responding with how it would cost $100,000 in signage..etc...
I will say, there's quite a number of people on here that I think would find all the costs of building a highway fascinating. Many are concerned about what they see, but forget about what they don't see, or don't give a second thought to. Many people will gripe about APLs and the size of the arrows because they cost a lot more than more traditional big green signage that's smaller (although they can never provide actual costs for either option). But they completely ignore things like should a narrow median have a concrete jersey barrier versus a guardrail, even though jersey barriers cost multiple times more than guardrail. Or the end treatment of the guardrail, which modern, updated ones cost multiple times more than older, simpler designs. Or the cost of a 30x36" sign, vs using a 24x30" sign. Or drainage inlets and basins. The list is endless.
I've tried in the past to show some of these costs based on bid results for various construction projects, but gave up when I realized people aren't concerned about what things cost; they just dislike a really large green sign.
I'm on my way to becoming a licensed PE, I know a decent bit about safety features and stormwater management, but that doesn't stop me from whining about ugly signage. :-D
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting.
That's not true at all. Sure, there are some outlandish proposals, but many of them are plausible from a design perspective and may just be constrained by financial, environmental, or other factors. Perhaps you'd do well to read some fictional threads besides your own and Fritz Owl's before making such a disrespectful generalization.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:59:13 PM
yet people argue endlessly about it in 100+ comment long chains, writing half a page long comments about the most trivial issues that don't even affect them
Says the guy who can't stop going on about highways having inappropriate numbers on the little blue signs.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting.
That's not true at all. Sure, there are some outlandish proposals, but many of them are plausible from a design perspective and may just be constrained by financial, environmental, or other factors. Perhaps you'd do well to read some fictional threads besides your own and Fritz Owl's before making such a disrespectful generalization.
Disrespectful to who? I wasn't referring to any person (maybe the government).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
What about the "off topic"?
What about it?
Basically the idea behind the forum structure is that we get to know each other by talking about roads–the ones that actually exist in real life. And then we have the fictional and off-topic and mass transit sections to talk to those same people about other things and get to know them better. If someone had a majority of their posts in off-topic that is a sign they are mostly here to use this site as a social media platform, which it's not. It's a forum about roads.
I used to be fairly active on Wikipedia, enough that I'm an administrator there too. At the time I was active, it was fairly common for people to run for administrator and get voted down because too many of their edits were to the back-of-house policy discussion forums and not enough to the actual encyclopedia articles. The argument was that if the majority of their edits were not contributing to the actual product the site existed to create, did the site actually benefit from having them around at all?
I ask the same question of those who post only to fictional highways or off-topic.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 07:22:33 PM
BTW, does discussing designing a new interchange for a highway count as fictional? Because new ramps may potentially be there that weren't before. (Only asking because most of my first few topics were moved to fictional even if the roadway already existed and was just being renumbered with no new roadway being built).
If was designed by anyone other than someone working for the organization that owns the road, it's probably fictional.
Oh no, not my intention at all to use it as social media chatting. I have thought about designing new interstates for a couple years now. You should see one of my notebooks, mostly filled with them. I've edited wiki a couple times, but never anything excessive, like one of the times was pointing out how I-278 and I-78 would have intersected 3 times if plans for both were fully completed. That was a potential topic I was thinking of starting a thread on, but I will just post in my own thread if it comes up:
Are there any interstate highways that meet at not 1, not 2, but 3 interchanges? Beltway will usually have 2 with another 2di, but 3? hmm..
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
MMM you defend peoples criticism way too much.
You obsess over your ideas way too much.
Instead of moving onto the next idea or accepting that no one likes your proposals, you keep pushing it. You suggest things from outer space like many of your cartoonish ideas about dealing with trucks. You used Jules Verne logic about going through the Core.
You post way too much with non quality posts. You won't let any of us get the last word. You keep yourself stuck in neutral all the time trying to get the last word for yourself. It seems you lack empathy.
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
You're fine.
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 07:18:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting.
That's not true at all. Sure, there are some outlandish proposals, but many of them are plausible from a design perspective and may just be constrained by financial, environmental, or other factors. Perhaps you'd do well to read some fictional threads besides your own and Fritz Owl's before making such a disrespectful generalization.
Disrespectful to who? I wasn't referring to any person (maybe the government).
To anyone who, you know, actually spent time creating a legitimate fictional proposal with the idea that it may actually be feasible and useful in real life someday and did some real research on it, not just throwing out random numbers and countries with no context.
Here's one of mine: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31158.0
And another recent example: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31840.0
I would say most of his posts are very low quality and they continue beating the same dead horse continuously. It's getting very old debating the same topic about his whole "PA Turnpike needs to be straightened because of the trucks" argument. And then the whole I-80 needs to be longer than I-90 for no reason thing.
He's already close to passing 1000 posts since becoming a member on October 25.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 05, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on December 05, 2022, 08:10:34 PM
I would say most of his posts are very low quality and they continue beating the same dead horse continuously. It's getting very old debating the same topic about his whole "PA Turnpike needs to be straightened because of the trucks" argument. And then the whole I-80 needs to be longer than I-90 for no reason thing.
He's already close to passing 1000 posts since becoming a member on October 25.
We had a cook when I worked at Westgate Lakes in Orlando who would get into long stupid arguments with his coworkers because he wouldn't move on. He was stuck in neutral trying to get the last word in and ten minutes later still arguing the same thing.
This is the same MO as this cook that MMM has. The arguments of his too are old and the same days later.
@roadman65 LOL what does extending I-80 or Long Island sound crossings have to do with empathy? It's a neutral topic. I only defend my plans if I feel the replies are overly dismissive, many times I've been quoted 5 times in a row and didn't respond. BTW, you started this thread. Even people who compared me to other users/previous trolls made a point of saying I wasn't obnoxious. I didn't know the requirement to post here was to log thousands of hours researching decades of old newspapers, economy reports, DOT archives, and environmental stuff just to say how a number should be extended. You started the I-80 to Riverhead thread for example, does extending a number down an entirely existing roadway really need all that? I admit I was having a little fun making a few fritzowl style proposals, but at least there was some logic behind them, such as connecting 2 segments of an existing highway, not just plowing 6 concurrent interstates across a desert or down into Baja for no reason, or ferries to Hawaii and Haiti. I have spent time writing to state governments about too lenient child abuse laws and other human rights issues, so don't give me the empathy crap. I also only post in a few threads, so of course it looks condensed, not trying to get the last word.
Edit:deleted copy and paste error part of post.
No one criticizes the fact you made the suggestions here. We're just criticizing that you insist that they get a yay from us.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
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Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
Or the " How many counties have you slept in" thread also was made to encourage traveling on road trips as well. :biggrin:
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 05, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
And in terms of this forum, Road Sign Uno is our longest thread by a comfortable margin.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 09:09:51 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
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Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
And in terms of this forum, Road Sign Uno is our longest thread by a comfortable margin.
My kneejerk reaction was "are you sure about that?" but then I realized that if anyone would know it would be you. :P
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 09:09:51 PM
And in terms of this forum, Road Sign Uno is our longest thread by a comfortable margin.
My kneejerk reaction was "are you sure about that?" but then I realized that if anyone would know it would be you. :P
I think this came up in another thread recently; can't remember which one. But anyways, I know this from sorting threads by number of replies: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=35.0;sort=replies;desc
(Of course, I'd have to check all the boards to be 100% sure about this, but it's a high bar, and Traffic Control tends to have some of the longest threads because of all the games and photo threads.)
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
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Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
People actually took road trips just because they realized they hadn't been on a route from a thread LOL
I mean I can't blame them I want to drive the entire length of every x0 and x5 in both directions.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
He and his contenders are a virus infecting the forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 05, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
People actually took road trips just because they realized they hadn't been on a route from a thread LOL
How do you think we get those mob-rule and TravelMapping maps filled in, by sitting at the computer and staring at them?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:47:26 PM
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Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
People actually took road trips just because they realized they hadn't been on a route from a thread LOL
I mean I can't blame them I want to drive the entire length of every x0 and x5 in both directions.
Now that's just silly. You can do what you want, but why would you want to drive every x0 and x5 route in both directions when you could clinch them once each and spend the rest of that time exploring different roads, many of which might actually be more interesting and unique?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
How do you think we get those mob-rule and TravelMapping maps filled in, by sitting at the computer and staring at them?
Speak for yourself... :-D
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc. Or is any of that against the forum rules?
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Quote from: Molandfreak on December 05, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
People actually took road trips just because they realized they hadn't been on a route from a thread LOL
I mean I can't blame them I want to drive the entire length of every x0 and x5 in both directions.
Amusing that someone with ambitions to drive 2,000,000 miles would critique how people who actually travel by road spend their time. Considering that 48,756 miles of road comprises the Interstate system you might find reaching your target number quite unobtainable. But then again you're the guy who rather take a plane to see rollercoasters over driving.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc. Or is any of that against the forum rules?
You know I can change that number to whatever I want, right?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 05, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2022, 07:56:10 PM
I feel like I'm seriously at risk of being banned. Overall, of my top 10 boards (can't see the entire list), 48% are General Highway Talk, Traffic Control, or Northeast, while the other seven take up 52%. Of my last 100 posts, only eleven (twelve before this post as one drops off) are on topic to roads and not in fictional, and that's including Photos, Videos, and More as on topic. In addition, as I said before, my posting rate has approximately doubled from 3.7 to 7 recently.
Yeah but you're cool, so...
I speak from having some experience of being a "problem user" in my early days here and I don't think anyone would be banned here unless they were repeatedly and deliberately antagonistic. That's rarely the case with giving genuine suggestions to the moderators/admin team, especially here on the S&Q board.
1 came up with the idea of the "Lowest-numbered route you haven't been on" thread, which has inspired a lot of people to take actual roadtrips they wouldn't have thought to do otherwise, and caused Jim to write a whole-ass TravelMapping feature to support it. I think that's probably one of the most consequential things anyone has done for the hobby in recent years.
People actually took road trips just because they realized they hadn't been on a route from a thread LOL
How do you think we get those mob-rule and TravelMapping maps filled in, by sitting at the computer and staring at them?
I thought that was just people recounting where they already had been, not that they actually drove somewhere they normally wouldn't just to add the county.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc. Or is any of that against the forum rules?
You know I can change that number to whatever I want, right?
So every now and then after 1000, would you agree to revert it back to 1000? That would also help stop certain users from constantly bringing up my post count.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc. Or is any of that against the forum rules?
You know I can change that number to whatever I want, right?
So every now and then after 1000, would you agree to revert it back to 1000? That would also help stop certain users from constantly bringing up my post count.
A lot of us (including me) argued to remove post counts completely after several people in your age demographic kept trying to pad their's.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:58:18 PM
I thought that was just people recounting where they already had been, not that they actually drove somewhere they normally wouldn't just to add the county.
But that's part of what roadgeeking is: driving new roads to see new roads instead of driving the same ones over and over again. TM makes it easier to keep track and find new roads to take.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
A lot of us (including me) argued to remove post counts completely after several people in your age demographic kept trying to pad their’s.
I'm going to continue to argue against removing it. I don't care how many people come in obsessed with post counts. They can be useful for seeing at a glance of how active each user is. I also don't like removing something from everyone because one person couldn't handle it. That's been a pet peeve of mine since childhood.
I still think the stats page should come back, but maybe you shouldn't have access until you reach a certain amount of posts or days since account registration.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:58:18 PM
I thought that was just people recounting where they already had been, not that they actually drove somewhere they normally wouldn't just to add the county.
Dude, driving somewhere you normally wouldn't to fulfill X travel goal is what this whole hobby
is.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
A lot of us (including me) argued to remove post counts completely after several people in your age demographic kept trying to pad their's.
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:58:18 PM
I thought that was just people recounting where they already had been, not that they actually drove somewhere they normally wouldn't just to add the county.
Dude, driving somewhere you normally wouldn't to fulfill X travel goal is what this whole hobby is.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
A lot of us (including me) argued to remove post counts completely after several people in your age demographic kept trying to pad their's.
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 05, 2022, 11:07:44 PM
I'm going to continue to argue against removing it. I don't care how many people come in obsessed with post counts. They can be useful for seeing at a glance of how active each user is. I also don't like removing something from everyone because one person couldn't handle it. That's been a pet peeve of mine since childhood.
I still think the stats page should come back, but maybe you shouldn't have access until you reach a certain amount of posts or days since account registration.
Why should someone be concerned with the number of other posts a user has instead of the quality of the post being read?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:07:19 PM
I don't refuse to drive on US highways and limited access routes.
So consider you down for the freeway portion of Alfred Harrell Highway? How you even going to get there considering no limited access highway or US Route reaches it?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc. Or is any of that against the forum rules?
You know I can change that number to whatever I want, right?
So every now and then after 1000, would you agree to revert it back to 1000? That would also help stop certain users from constantly bringing up my post count.
I would agree to revert it to 997. Or 1002. Or 58.
There used to be a guy here who was overly particular about his post count ending on a round number when he signed off for the night. I used to add 1 to his post count at 3 am just to fuck with him.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 05, 2022, 11:15:28 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 05, 2022, 11:07:44 PM
I'm going to continue to argue against removing it. I don't care how many people come in obsessed with post counts. They can be useful for seeing at a glance of how active each user is. I also don't like removing something from everyone because one person couldn't handle it. That's been a pet peeve of mine since childhood.
I still think the stats page should come back, but maybe you shouldn't have access until you reach a certain amount of posts or days since account registration.
Why should someone be concerned with the number of other posts a user has instead of the quality of the post being read?
Post count isn't always an accurate read on someone, but it is another useful tool in the tool box of determining the value of a user's contributions or knowledge. It's more useful on other, larger forums where you can't always keep track of all the most active users.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
So you would ban Fritz Owl? Fictional highways is actually my favorite branch of the hobby, although I do enjoy the other parts as well. I am not as knowledgable about roads as I'm young and haven't been to as many places as other users have.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
MMM, I have days where I post that much. But since I actually have a life and other things I like to do, it's not every day. My post per day average was closer to yours when I was younger, but now it's much lower (around 6 posts per day). But other people post tons per day, just don't be annoying and you should be fine.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
So you would ban Fritz Owl? Fictional highways is actually my favorite branch of the hobby, although I do enjoy the other parts as well. I am not as knowledgable about roads as I'm young and haven't been to as many places as other users have.
I quickly found out I'm the one who's most militant about that point of view on the staff, so it's not like a ban of fictional-only posters is going to happen anytime soon.
You're old enough that you can start really traveling now and getting to see the real thing. I was your age when I entered my 77th and final Oklahoma county. Believe me, getting to see the world in person is a lot more fun than reading about roads on a forum, and you learn a lot more about a place seeing it yourself instead of hearing about it second hand.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
So you would ban Fritz Owl? Fictional highways is actually my favorite branch of the hobby, although I do enjoy the other parts as well. I am not as knowledgable about roads as I'm young and haven't been to as many places as other users have.
I quickly found out I'm the one who's most militant about that point of view on the staff, so it's not like a ban of fictional-only posters is going to happen anytime soon.
You're old enough that you can start really traveling now and getting to see the real thing. I was your age when I entered my 77th and final Oklahoma county. Believe me, getting to see the world in person is a lot more fun than reading about roads on a forum, and you learn a lot more about a place seeing it yourself instead of hearing about it second hand.
Lol you must really hate me then. Fictional highways are exactly the kind of mindless things I enjoy reading about just to escape from real life a bit, even FritzOwl's nonsense is good for a laugh once in a while. Not everyone is interested in just being a highway news bro 24/7.
MMM don't take it personally. Yes, we tell you straight, but your not disliked as much as your persistence is not appreciated.
We welcome input on here and would like to see you interact, but not being ridiculous when you do and rehash the same proposals and rebut the same rebuttals after every critique you get.
You want to see the world, travel yourself. May I also suggest a virtual Google tour, or check out AA Roads on the roads photos. Alex posts nice photos of the different roads to show coverage of many US highways whether interstate, US, state, county, or municipal.
It may also be worth noting that the AARoads' slogan is "See the roads before you go." Food for thought.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 06, 2022, 01:34:27 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
So you would ban Fritz Owl? Fictional highways is actually my favorite branch of the hobby, although I do enjoy the other parts as well. I am not as knowledgable about roads as I'm young and haven't been to as many places as other users have.
I quickly found out I'm the one who's most militant about that point of view on the staff, so it's not like a ban of fictional-only posters is going to happen anytime soon.
You're old enough that you can start really traveling now and getting to see the real thing. I was your age when I entered my 77th and final Oklahoma county. Believe me, getting to see the world in person is a lot more fun than reading about roads on a forum, and you learn a lot more about a place seeing it yourself instead of hearing about it second hand.
Lol you must really hate me then. Fictional highways are exactly the kind of mindless things I enjoy reading about just to escape from real life a bit, even FritzOwl's nonsense is good for a laugh once in a while. Not everyone is interested in just being a highway news bro 24/7.
Saying "bro" to is a good way to make everyone in all walks of life hate you.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
I'm noticing this thread is now the focus from MMM in one thread. Same argument but different thread.
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc. Or is any of that against the forum rules?
You know I can change that number to whatever I want, right?
So every now and then after 1000, would you agree to revert it back to 1000? That would also help stop certain users from constantly bringing up my post count.
I would agree to revert it to 997. Or 1002. Or 58.
There used to be a guy here who was overly particular about his post count ending on a round number when he signed off for the night. I used to add 1 to his post count at 3 am just to fuck with him.
I guess I'll take 1002. Although 997 is also nice as it's the largest 3 digit prime number...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:07:19 PM
I don't refuse to drive on US highways and limited access routes.
So consider you down for the freeway portion of Alfred Harrell Highway? How you even going to get there considering no limited access highway or US Route reaches it?
I'll drive on non-limited access roads to get to another as long as they are decent. It's not that far from I-7 (excuse me CA 99).
One thing I don't know is whether setting a user's post count to a negative number causes the user to see ads again or not. (Ads are shown for 0-2.)
Maybe a word count would be better, as you can reply to 10 people in 1 long post, or reply to 3 people separately in 3 posts each a sentence long. Word count would take this into account and be a better indicator of contribution.
You can also say a bunch of nothing in a lot of words, or something worthwhile in very few words.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 08:59:45 AM
Maybe a word count would be better, as you can reply to 10 people in 1 long post, or reply to 3 people separately in 3 posts each a sentence long. Word count would take this into account and be a better indicator of contribution.
I've had an idea for a while that "count" would be increased by log2(characters) of non-quoted material. As long as 0-character posts are prohibited, it would work well. Unfortunately, I don't think the forum software allows it.
Here's a good idea. I don't know what Scott would think of this though:
Normal Posts: 1 per post
Long ass quotes: Negative .5 per post, it's so annoying trying to read through those.
Fictional Highway Topics: 2 per post
Fictional Highway Posts with visual maps: 3 Per Post.
FritzOwl quoting and answering your question: 5 Free Points
Suggestions and Questions section: 1.5 posts.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 08:42:51 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:07:19 PM
I don't refuse to drive on US highways and limited access routes.
So consider you down for the freeway portion of Alfred Harrell Highway? How you even going to get there considering no limited access highway or US Route reaches it?
I'll drive on non-limited access roads to get to another as long as they are decent. It's not that far from I-7 (excuse me CA 99).
What about those curves on Alfred Harrell Highway? They are way worse than the PA Turnpike. :wow:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
Here's a good idea. I don't know what Scott would think of this though:
Normal Posts: 1 per post
Long ass quotes: Negative .5 per post, it's so annoying trying to read through those.
Fictional Highway Topics: 2 per post
Fictional Highway Posts with visual maps: 3 Per Post.
FritzOwl quoting and answering your question: 5 Free Points
Suggestions and Questions section: 1.5 posts.
Can't be automated. How long does a quote need to be to be "long ass"? Also, why does Fictional get
more than regular? Especially as this would apply to both the person proposing and the people responding. In addition, how can the software tell a visual map from an Internet meme?
I do know of one other forum that has a "Forum Games" board where those count as 0. I wouldn't recommend doing that here, though; our games, especially the photo ones, are more on topic than theirs.
Also, there are some posts (sparker's sound wall rant, NE2's 13/69/420/666 thread and history of state numbering system threads) that should count as at least 4 each. Length is common to these, but it's also common to Rothman's repetitive updates to the the lowest number you haven't been on (this forum counts characters pre-processing, so code tags are included in character count), which probably shouldn't count as multiple, but the software has no way of knowing if going by length.
Any quotes more than 5 layers. Maybe even continuously subtract half a point every time someone replies once over 5. What's the point of doing that when you can't even see the content of the earlier quotes anymore because they are so mashed together? Notice I don't quote that much.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2022, 07:57:52 PM
MMM you defend peoples criticism way too much.
You obsess over your ideas way too much.
Instead of moving onto the next idea or accepting that no one likes your proposals, you keep pushing it. You suggest things from outer space like many of your cartoonish ideas about dealing with trucks. You used Jules Verne logic about going through the Core.
You post way too much with non quality posts. You won't let any of us get the last word. You keep yourself stuck in neutral all the time trying to get the last word for yourself. It seems you lack empathy.
And this is from the guy who started the topic.
MMM, please listen.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 11:05:05 PM
I'm not trying to reach any specific number, but I am curious what the tag turns into at 1000?
Expressway.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2022, 04:11:19 AM
MMM don't take it personally. Yes, we tell you straight, but your not disliked as much as your persistence is not appreciated.
We welcome input on here and would like to see you interact, but not being ridiculous when you do and rehash the same proposals and rebut the same rebuttals after every critique you get.
Very well put.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
Long ass quotes: Negative .5 per post, it's so annoying trying to read through those.
|mrsman| might not appreciate that very much. :biggrin:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
Fictional Highway Topics: 2 per post
Fictional should most definitely not be worth more than regular posts. As we've already highlighted, this forum is primarily about the real world. Fictional is hidden to non-members for a reason.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
FritzOwl quoting and answering your question: 5 Free Points
This actually gets complicated. Usually, when |FritzOwl| quotes you, his "reply" doesn't actually address the issue or question you brought up in the quoted post.
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
It would have to address the question. Otherwise, Fritz would lose a full point. The fact that he never once posted a map of long island drives me nuts..
Posting about Alanland gets you points and also doesn't get you points.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
I "think" the number I calculated is as in the high 300s. I know that I had to sit down and think about it for the low number thread since I don't have a travel map (speaking of things against the grain).
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
Never been on Halsted south of I-57, huh? (although, come to think of it, I don't think I've been on IL-1 north of Lawrenceville)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
I don't have a travel map (speaking of things against the grain).
Same here.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
I "think" the number I calculated is as in the high 300s. I know that I had to sit down and think about it for the low number thread since I don't have a travel map (speaking of things against the grain).
At this point, I don't know that I could accurately create one, given all the traveling I've done. I don't even know that I could look at a map and recreate all my trips.
Of course, I still don't like the fact that you have to type out arcane stuff instead of just being able to click on a map, but that ship sailed (that car drove off?) long ago and I'm never going to win that one.
The only clinches I really keep track of are Interstate and US routes, in their entirety and by state, and the West Virginia primary system, plus Kentucky's one- and two-digit state routes.
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
I don't have a travel map (speaking of things against the grain).
Same here.
Actually, Travel Mapping is against the grain in general. It's only
not against the grain here. And even so, TM only has 355 users with logged travels, compared to about 2300 users with at least one post here.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 12:41:43 AM
You're old enough that you can start really traveling now and getting to see the real thing. I was your age when I entered my 77th and final Oklahoma county. Believe me, getting to see the world in person is a lot more fun than reading about roads on a forum, and you learn a lot more about a place seeing it yourself instead of hearing about it second hand.
I'm just now starting to experience this in the past several months. This year alone, I've visited two new states, 48 new counties (and counting), clinched at least 10 new routes, and logged over 1000 miles of new mileage. It's really fun to get out there and see new places. It's taking a picture of that sign with arrows pointing the wrong direction rather than just posting a GSV of it. It's making a detour in your route to get a new number for the "lowest number you haven't been on" thread, rather than getting down about how your number for that thread is. It's taking a 4-hour day trip to see new states, rather than taking a GSV road trip. It's going out to a road construction site rather than reading about it here. And honestly, I can't help but feel that I'm really getting down to the core of roadgeeking.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 11:42:37 AM
Of course, I still don't like the fact that you have to type out arcane stuff instead of just being able to click on a map, but that ship sailed (that car drove off?) long ago and I'm never going to win that one.
Actually, you can pretty much just click on a map with Travel Mapping's .list tool. That allows you to click on the segments you've traveled to auto-generate the script, then select copy, and paste to your .list file.
It's a great tool and my updates have gotten much faster thanks to Jim tipping me off on it.
Quote from: webny99 on December 06, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
I don't have a travel map (speaking of things against the grain).
Same here.
Actually, Travel Mapping is against the grain in general. It's only not against the grain here. And even so, TM only has 355 users with logged travels, compared to about 2300 users with at least one post here.
Thing is a good percentage of the TM users base is among the more well known community members. For myself, had I known about TM way earlier I probably would have an account. As it stands I'm so many years into traveling that it would take a considerable effort with time I really don't have to make an accurate map.
Worth noting, TM also oriented is oriented towards capturing travel on numbered highways. I know there are some exceptions such as NPS highways. All the same my travel tends to run against of grain of driving numbered highways, so I would have a bunch of notable roads which couldn't be logged.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2022, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I have said before it doesn't take as long as you think to make a mere 23 posts in 1 day.
It takes a lot longer to make 23 good posts than 23 shitposts, though. And if you have the time to be making 23 posts, chances are most of them aren't very good.
My favorite posters on this forum are the ones that post new stuff I didn't know already. That kind of post is usually so lengthy and well-researched that there is just not enough time in the day to get 23 of them put together. Maybe that's because it requires lots of research digging up old maps and newspaper articles, or maybe that's because it involves going down to an active construction site and taking a bunch of pictures.
If I wanted more half-assed posts with kneejerk opinions in them, I can write those myself.
A little high of a standard for fictional highways don't you think? I am sure 99 percent of proposed plans would never be considered realistic after all of the research you are suggesting. Is there something wrong with drawing numbers on a map cause it looks good visually? After all, that is the counter argument for preserving natural areas and not building new highways, because the area without the strip of roadway "looks nicer".
I don't give a flying fuck about fictional highways. If it was up to me, I'd ban anyone with a majority of their posts there. It's not the main point of the forum.
So you would ban Fritz Owl? Fictional highways is actually my favorite branch of the hobby, although I do enjoy the other parts as well. I am not as knowledgable about roads as I'm young and haven't been to as many places as other users have.
I quickly found out I'm the one who's most militant about that point of view on the staff, so it's not like a ban of fictional-only posters is going to happen anytime soon.
You're old enough that you can start really traveling now and getting to see the real thing. I was your age when I entered my 77th and final Oklahoma county. Believe me, getting to see the world in person is a lot more fun than reading about roads on a forum, and you learn a lot more about a place seeing it yourself instead of hearing about it second hand.
I still need to get my driver's license and a car and money
Quote from: 1 on December 06, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
How long does a quote need to be to be "long ass"?
At the e
th Alan Convention, a "long ass quote" was defined as one quoting a goat with a rear end more than 13.47 inches long and less than 5.26 inches long.
Quote from: vdeane on December 06, 2022, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 06, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
How long does a quote need to be to be "long ass"?
At the eth Alan Convention, a "long ass quote" was defined as one quoting a goat with a rear end more than 13.47 inches long and less than 5.26 inches long.
I'm too lazy to do the math. What length is that before converting from
lRc (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.msg281625#msg281625) to inches?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 07:47:55 PM
If someone had a majority of their posts in off-topic that is a sign they are mostly here to use this site as a social media platform, which it's not. It's a forum about roads.
At least you didn't say "plurality". (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=33)
Wow! Four pages in one day of basically nothing. I wish I had that much free time and I'm retired. I'm also surprised with this topic that nobody has mentioned that "to" is misspelled. I thought we were way too serious.
Quote from: skluth on December 06, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
I'm also surprised with this topic that nobody has mentioned that "to" is misspelled. I thought we were way too serious.
Oh, it was mentioned all right. I had fun with it early in the thread:
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2022, 10:37:05 AM
I just stopped here on the way to Serious.
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 09, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
I think you meant coat to cost.
Me to.
Quote from: skluth on December 06, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Wow! Four pages in one day of basically nothing. I wish I had that much free time and I'm retired. I'm also surprised with this topic that nobody has mentioned that "to" is misspelled. I thought we were way too serious.
This thread has a super serial lack of Manbearpig.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 06, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
Here's a good idea. I don't know what Scott would think of this though:
I think that sounds like a bunch of PHP I wouldn't get paid to write. :P
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Next time you go to Branson, see if you can figure out a way to work K-26 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-26_(Kansas_highway)) into your route!
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Next time you go to Branson, see if you can figure out a way to work K-26 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-26_(Kansas_highway)) into your route!
Would that make you respect my experience more?
It's an extra 19 miles compared to our usual route, with Google estimating an additional 15 minutes of drive time.
*sigh* OK . . . I suppose I'll probably have to, now that you pointed it out to me . . .
I'll let my wife know you told me to.
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 04:34:27 PM
Would that make you respect my experience more?
I think that depends on what your next-lowest untraveled number is.
If it's in the hundreds, that's pretty good bang for your buck.
If it's 27... well, I guess you might as well start somewhere...
I don't think I've looked ahead, but I've clinched I-27.
Hmmmmm... It might actually be 28, although I'd have to dig through Minnesota county highways to be sure.
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 05, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I would probably find a display of the lowest route number a person hasn't been on to be a more useful proxy for experience than post count, to be honest.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2022, 11:14:20 PM
This would actually speak to experience with a huge degree of accuracy.
Crap. Mine is only 26.
Next time you go to Branson, see if you can figure out a way to work K-26 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-26_(Kansas_highway)) into your route!
Would that make you respect my experience more?
It's an extra 19 miles compared to our usual route, with Google estimating an additional 15 minutes of drive time.
*sigh* OK . . . I suppose I'll probably have to, now that you pointed it out to me . . .
I'll let my wife know you told me to.
On family trips, the variance I'm allowed off the fastest route for the purpose of clinching routes or counties is 15% of the travel time or 45 minutes, whichever is less.
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
Never been on Halsted south of I-57, huh? (although, come to think of it, I don't think I've been on IL-1 north of Lawrenceville)
Nope, I'm rarely on the south side of Chicagoland, so it's very out of way to get any sort of mileage on it. And I'm rather wary of driving it north of 94.
I also need 2, which unfortunately I didn't take care of when I was out at school.
Related to the earlier discussion, I would love to see TM go to an account-based system. As much as I love emailing Jim or trying to submit on Github, it would be nice to log routes and see the map immediately update.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2022, 04:49:55 PM
On family trips, the variance I'm allowed off the fastest route for the purpose of clinching routes or counties is 15% of the travel time or 45 minutes, whichever is less.
My personal record for this was achieved earlier this year. The fastest way from FL to NJ is via I-95 and its 3di loops, about 16 hours or so and done numerous times without a hotel stay. Last time, we took US 301 instead and added at least 8 hours and 2 nights of hotel stays.
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 04:44:01 PM
I don't think I've looked ahead, but I've clinched I-27.
Hmmmmm... It might actually be 28, although I'd have to dig through Minnesota county highways to be sure.
Take a trip to the UP and you can get 26 and 28.
Quote from: webny99 on December 06, 2022, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 06, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
I'm also surprised with this topic that nobody has mentioned that "to" is misspelled. I thought we were way too serious.
Oh, it was mentioned all right. I had fun with it early in the thread:
Thanks for that. I just didn't feel like going further back in this thread after reading through four pages of crap.
Quote from: GaryV on December 06, 2022, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 04:44:01 PM
I don't think I've looked ahead, but I've clinched I-27.
Hmmmmm... It might actually be 28, although I'd have to dig through Minnesota county highways to be sure.
Take a trip to the UP and you can get 26 and 28.
M-26 is most scenic Highway 26 I've been on. CA 26 and US 26 in Oregon aren't too shabby either. I-26 has some nice scenery in North Carolina. FL 26 and IN 26 were passably generic.
M-28 okay, and basically a twin to US 2 in the UP. NV 28/CA 28 are probably the most boring roads around Lake Tahoe. I didn't think AL 28 was exciting, nothing too noteworthy on IN 28 or NM 28. NC 28 around Fontana Lake is a fantastic drive.
OK, I'll play.
NY 28 is, I would say, one of NY's most famed state routes. Over the course of 281 miles, it takes a C-shaped routing and runs through both the Adirondacks and the Catskills, with some great (and not so great) scenery along the way.
I just suggested K-26 because I knew he'd be nearby it at some point . . .
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 06:28:23 PM
I just suggested K-26 because I knew he'd be nearby it at some point . . .
We don't take a lot of things seriously on this forum, we certainly do with highways numbered 26 and 28.
Quote from: GaryV on December 06, 2022, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 04:44:01 PM
I don't think I've looked ahead, but I've clinched I-27.
Hmmmmm... It might actually be 28, although I'd have to dig through Minnesota county highways to be sure.
Take a trip to the UP and you can get 26 and 28.
I've been to the UP. I had a long week-end (holiday maybe?) coming up, so I bought a Greyhound ticket from Chicago (Cumberland station) to Menominee, MI. Arrived at around midnight, slept in a picnic shelter at John Henes Park. Shivered all night, got maybe a half-hour of sleep. Headed out in the morning to the shoulder of M-35 with a sign that said "St Ignace" and stuck my thumb out. Got a ride up M-35 and a bit of US-41 to Gladstone. Got another ride for a few miles to the US-2 junction. Then got a ride from there along US-2 all the way across to I-75, across the Mackinac Bridge, and down to the M-55 exit at Houghton Lake–with a stop in Manistique while the driver did some business (and I skinny-dipped in Lake Superior near the boardwalk) and a to-go lunch stop in St Ignace. Thus ended my time in the UP.
So nope, no 26 or 28 on that trip.
Ah! I've been on Adair County Highway P28 in Iowa.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 06:28:23 PM
I just suggested K-26 because I knew he'd be nearby it at some point . . .
We don't take a lot of things seriously on this forum, we certainly do with highways numbered 26 and 28.
We're way to serious when it comes two routes that start with too. :cool:
Quote from: webny99 on December 06, 2022, 04:37:06 PM
I think that depends on what your next-lowest untraveled number is.
Still looking to see if I've been on a 48...
I don't track what roads I've been on (I'd like too but too much backlog) but my family takes mostly road trips rather than plane trips so I've been on more roads than most my age I think.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2022, 09:54:31 PM
I don't track what roads I've been on (I'd like too but too much backlog)
I was 22 when I started mine. I also thought it was too much backlog, but I just went one state at a time, then one route at a time within each state, used Street View and Google Maps for help here and there, and got most of it complete after a few evenings working on it. And I didn't even use the .list tool for my initial data entry, which would have saved tons of time.
As with my county clinches, I mostly consider my Travel Mapping to be accurate from 2010 to present. There are some early trips to NJ, PA, OH, MI, and possibly other states where I know I didn't get everything exactly, but I decided not to care, since I can't remember much of those trips anyways. That will just be an incentive to revisit and keep better track of what routes I use next time I visit those areas.
You could also just arbitrarily state "I don't count anything done before Jan. 1, 2023 but I am tracking everything I do after that."
I know what interstates I've been on for the most part. The minor roads get a bit more tricky.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 06:28:23 PM
I just suggested K-26 because I knew he'd be nearby it at some point . . .
We don't take a lot of things seriously on this forum, we certainly do with highways numbered 26 and 28.
AASHTO really doesn't like the number 28, does it?
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 06, 2022, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 04:44:01 PM
I don't think I've looked ahead, but I've clinched I-27.
Hmmmmm... It might actually be 28, although I'd have to dig through Minnesota county highways to be sure.
Take a trip to the UP and you can get 26 and 28.
I've been to the UP. I had a long week-end (holiday maybe?) coming up, so I bought a Greyhound ticket from Chicago (Cumberland station) to Menominee, MI. Arrived at around midnight, slept in a picnic shelter at John Henes Park. Shivered all night, got maybe a half-hour of sleep. Headed out in the morning to the shoulder of M-35 with a sign that said "St Ignace" and stuck my thumb out. Got a ride up M-35 and a bit of US-41 to Gladstone. Got another ride for a few miles to the US-2 junction. Then got a ride from there along US-2 all the way across to I-75, across the Mackinac Bridge, and down to the M-55 exit at Houghton Lake–with a stop in Manistique while the driver did some business (and I skinny-dipped in Lake Superior near the boardwalk) and a to-go lunch stop in St Ignace. Thus ended my time in the UP.
So nope, no 26 or 28 on that trip.
Ah! I've been on Adair County Highway P28 in Iowa.
26 would be a little harder than getting 28 I think.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
Never been on Halsted south of I-57, huh? (although, come to think of it, I don't think I've been on IL-1 north of Lawrenceville)
Nope, I'm rarely on the south side of Chicagoland, so it's very out of way to get any sort of mileage on it. And I'm rather wary of driving it north of 94.
IL 1 doesn't go north of 94. It ends at 95th just west of where 94 merges with 57 to form the Dan Ryan. You may have meant north of 294. If you're ever taking the tri-state to Indiana, going south on IL 1 puts you in an area with a lot of shopping and dining.
Quote from: formulanone on December 07, 2022, 05:59:40 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 06, 2022, 06:28:23 PM
I just suggested K-26 because I knew he'd be nearby it at some point . . .
We don't take a lot of things seriously on this forum, we certainly do with highways numbered 26 and 28.
AASHTO really doesn't like the number 28, does it?
The way I see it extending US 28 east to West Yellowstone would have been more optimal looking back versus created a gapped US 20.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 07, 2022, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 06, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 06, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Mine is only 1, so make of that what you will.
Never been on Halsted south of I-57, huh? (although, come to think of it, I don't think I've been on IL-1 north of Lawrenceville)
Nope, I'm rarely on the south side of Chicagoland, so it's very out of way to get any sort of mileage on it. And I'm rather wary of driving it north of 94.
IL 1 doesn't go north of 94. It ends at 95th just west of where 94 merges with 57 to form the Dan Ryan. You may have meant north of 294. If you're ever taking the tri-state to Indiana, going south on IL 1 puts you in an area with a lot of shopping and dining.
He was probably talking about Halsted Street in general.