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Should Online Mapping (Google Maps for example) Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?

Yes, i think they should.
No, i think they shouldn't.

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Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« on: February 03, 2017, 01:01:09 PM »

Choose Accurate Shields, Or Ovals.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2017, 01:03:18 PM »

Accurate spelling helps, too.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2017, 01:14:18 PM »

I CAN'T STAND when a business draws a map and has a us route with an interstate shield, state route with a US shield, etc.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2017, 01:28:42 PM »

It would be nice, but definitely not a necessity. Outside of the roadgeek community, does it really matter to anyone (the majority of their target users)? General accuracy of the rest of the mapping data should be priority. They need to work on getting the classification right before embarking on individual shields.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2017, 01:39:23 PM »

The maps should be listed 'for amusement only'.  The shields are the least of the problems. 
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 02:48:21 PM »

Here are some reasons that it would be better:

1. In Florida, and Texas,  it would allow differentiation between tolled and non-tolled routes. Since they have different markers in the field, why not on the maps also?

2. In Texas, it would allow map users to actually differentiate between FM and county roads. The current system of using the rectangle for both is very annoying. Also, county roads should be marked textually if they are only marked with street name blades in the field.

3. In Tennessee, it would allow map users to differentiate between primary and secondary routes, which are also signed differently in the field.

Basically, using the one-size fits all circle/oval or rectangle does not give map users adequate information.

Reasons Against:

1. It requires using a larger shield to get the same number size as with the circle/oval.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 02:55:20 PM »

I CAN'T STAND when a business draws a map and has a us route with an interstate shield, state route with a US shield, etc.
Me either. Of course, most non-roadgeeks probably can't tell the difference.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2017, 03:00:14 PM »

I CAN'T STAND when a business draws a map and has a us route with an interstate shield, state route with a US shield, etc.

Or ones that manage to mix them together...

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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2017, 03:07:55 PM »

Here are some reasons that it would be better:

1. In Florida, and Texas,  it would allow differentiation between tolled and non-tolled routes.
There are better ways of doing this with color that don't lie about the lack of tolls on SR 528 west of exit 4.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 03:21:15 PM »

Yes, the marking of routes should be done the way Apple does them, with accurate shields.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2017, 03:33:47 PM »

The roadgeek in me says yes, the regular map user in me says no, the circle used to denote a state route on a map suffices for all 50 states.

I wish there was a choice for "maybe" in the poll. I guess I'll click no so I can see the results.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2017, 04:06:33 PM »

Yes, because what's on the map should match what a driver would see on the signs.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2017, 04:29:41 PM »

The ovals are fine. Most drivers don't differentiate between the type of route anyway, just the number. Besides, several state routes, like Utah's or Florida's, are a bit finicky to be really legible at the small sizes required for maps.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2017, 05:42:34 PM »

The ovals are fine. Most drivers don't differentiate between the type of route anyway, just the number. Besides, several state routes, like Utah's or Florida's, are a bit finicky to be really legible at the small sizes required for maps.

Agreed, ovals are fine for online maps, and maps in general.

Though I do like how Ohio's official state map uses Ohio outlines instead of ovals (note: the map uses geographically correct Ohio outlines, not the outline shape that's used for the official shield)

Are there any other states that put their shield (or something similar to their shield) on their state maps instead of ovals?
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2017, 06:20:56 PM »

I own an atlas that does so, but only on the city insets, not on the large-scale pages. I could go either way, but I agree that secondary state routes and county roads should not be labeled the same.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2017, 08:13:36 PM »

I don't have a problem with ovals used on maps at all, but I would absolutely love to see accurate state route shields being used, and I love such usage on Apple Maps. Needless to say, my vote was for accurate shields (for Yes).
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2017, 08:52:58 PM »

The oval for state routes doesn't bother me per se, but it would be nice to have the correct shields though. I'm more concerned about certain maps having tolled and non-tolled routes the same color (ahem, Google)
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2017, 08:59:04 PM »

The oval for state routes doesn't bother me per se, but it would be nice to have the correct shields though. I'm more concerned about certain maps having tolled and non-tolled routes the same color (ahem, Google)

If you zoom in enough on Google Maps, toll roads have a darker outline. (It's not perfect; there are a few places on toll roads where you can get both on and off without paying that Google still marks as having a toll.)
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2017, 09:06:01 PM »

Having correct shields for every jurisdiction around the world would require a ton of unique shield types. I feel like the effort required isn't worth it to 99% of the users on Google Maps. Though I wish a few select roads had their own shields though (not listed as the "generic" shields on Google).

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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2017, 09:16:20 PM »

Having correct shields for every jurisdiction around the world would require a ton of unique shield types. I feel like the effort required isn't worth it to 99% of the users on Google Maps. Though I wish a few select roads had their own shields though (not listed as the "generic" shields on Google).

They already have the correct design at country level. With ~100 designs around the world (complete guess; most countries have separate designs for freeways and non-freeways, but some countries have the same design or almost the same as other countries), adding another ~75 for states (more than 50 because of various state secondaries, various county designs, NJTPK, etc.) should not be too hard.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2017, 11:09:43 PM »

I CAN'T STAND when a business draws a map and has a us route with an interstate shield, state route with a US shield, etc.
Me either. Of course, most non-roadgeeks probably can't tell the difference.

I was talking with someone at work today who pointed to a US highway shield on Google Maps and referred to it as a "county road". I told him to get away from me.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2017, 12:25:40 AM »

Are there any other states that put their shield (or something similar to their shield) on their state maps instead of ovals?

Michigan used ovals for some time and then switched to diamonds in 2008 or 2009.  Now the numbers in the diamonds are about 2/3 the size they were in the ovals.  Yeah, that's an improvement :rolleyes:.

(Diamonds were used long ago but that was when the state maps were printed larger and so the diamonds and route numbers were larger.  This old fart can't read any current Michigan maps without a freaking microscope.)
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2017, 01:49:31 AM »

Mapquest uses the state shields, and I love them for it. They have some beautiful rendering for being an online mapping tool. If only their interface (and especially their app) weren't so bulky and cumbersome.
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2017, 02:05:22 AM »

Mapquest uses the state shields, and I love them for it. They have some beautiful rendering for being an online mapping tool. If only their interface (and especially their app) weren't so bulky and cumbersome.

Oh wow, I haven't used Mapquest much so I've never noticed that. Now that I look at Mapquest I can see how that is so. How cool!!  :awesomeface:
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Re: Should Online Mapping Sights Have Accurate State Route Shields?
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2017, 11:27:40 AM »

I can't decide. So, here's a question to help me:

If states shouldn't have accurate markers, why should countries? Why not just use, say, squares for all Interstates, Mexican federal routes, the TCH, etc.?

Once we know the rationale for differentiating at the national level, then perhaps we can extend it to the sub-national level, and see whether it's still appropriate.
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