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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #351 on: August 09, 2022, 06:23:31 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #352 on: August 09, 2022, 06:58:28 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

This project is actually a project to replace a PA 50 bridge nearby the I-79 interchange.  I do not believe that there is any work on the I-79 mainline in this project whatsoever.
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #353 on: August 10, 2022, 09:36:47 AM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

It is toll-free.  I initially recalled the ramp to 576 being a left-hand merge, but it isn't.  The curvature of the loop ramp to 79 could be a reason, but those are fairly wide radiuses with a 45 MPH posted speed.  Definitely an odd omission.

Another move for traffic traveling north on Washington Pike would be to travel south instead to access the new ramp to 576 from Morganza Rd.  That dumps you right onto the ramp for 79 North.
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #355 on: August 11, 2022, 02:13:33 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

It is toll-free.  I initially recalled the ramp to 576 being a left-hand merge, but it isn't.  The curvature of the loop ramp to 79 could be a reason, but those are fairly wide radiuses with a 45 MPH posted speed.  Definitely an odd omission.

Another move for traffic traveling north on Washington Pike would be to travel south instead to access the new ramp to 576 from Morganza Rd.  That dumps you right onto the ramp for 79 North.

My guess would be that the maintenance of traffic plans were developed before the PA 576 ramps were open.
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #356 on: August 11, 2022, 04:04:09 PM »

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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #358 on: August 12, 2022, 02:56:56 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

It is toll-free.  I initially recalled the ramp to 576 being a left-hand merge, but it isn't.  The curvature of the loop ramp to 79 could be a reason, but those are fairly wide radiuses with a 45 MPH posted speed.  Definitely an odd omission.

Another move for traffic traveling north on Washington Pike would be to travel south instead to access the new ramp to 576 from Morganza Rd.  That dumps you right onto the ramp for 79 North.

My guess would be that the maintenance of traffic plans were developed before the PA 576 ramps were open.

I asked PennDOT on Facebook and they said they can only use "state owned" roads for detours.  Guess the Turnpike isn't state-owned (even though it is run by a state agency).
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #359 on: August 12, 2022, 03:47:44 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

It is toll-free.  I initially recalled the ramp to 576 being a left-hand merge, but it isn't.  The curvature of the loop ramp to 79 could be a reason, but those are fairly wide radiuses with a 45 MPH posted speed.  Definitely an odd omission.

Another move for traffic traveling north on Washington Pike would be to travel south instead to access the new ramp to 576 from Morganza Rd.  That dumps you right onto the ramp for 79 North.

My guess would be that the maintenance of traffic plans were developed before the PA 576 ramps were open.

I asked PennDOT on Facebook and they said they can only use "state owned" roads for detours.  Guess the Turnpike isn't state-owned (even though it is run by a state agency).

I was about to post speculating PTC-owned roadway as the potential issue, but you beat me to it confirming!

A few years back I helped develop MOT plans for some short-term closures at the I-95/495/US 1 interchange in College Park MD, and we ran into the same issue while laying out the official detour for the I-95/495 Inner -> US 1 NB loop ramp. The shortest detour would be continuing on I-95/495 & using exit 24 to loop thru the Greenbelt Metro station and return to US 1 on I-95/495 Outer, but we had to post the official detour to exit 23 and loop around at MD 201 since the exit 24 detour would utilize WMATA-owned roadway.

(Visual of that area for anyone trying to picture all that)
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #360 on: August 12, 2022, 04:51:17 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

It is toll-free.  I initially recalled the ramp to 576 being a left-hand merge, but it isn't.  The curvature of the loop ramp to 79 could be a reason, but those are fairly wide radiuses with a 45 MPH posted speed.  Definitely an odd omission.

Another move for traffic traveling north on Washington Pike would be to travel south instead to access the new ramp to 576 from Morganza Rd.  That dumps you right onto the ramp for 79 North.

My guess would be that the maintenance of traffic plans were developed before the PA 576 ramps were open.

I asked PennDOT on Facebook and they said they can only use "state owned" roads for detours.  Guess the Turnpike isn't state-owned (even though it is run by a state agency).
...or sending people onto a toll road as a detour is really, really, really bad optics.
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #361 on: August 12, 2022, 05:15:04 PM »

Is this not the project they tried to toll.

 Also, that detour, why can't motorists use the 576 East ramp from 79 back to the 576 east to 79 north ramp, there are no tolls, it would be high speed and safer than the listed Southpointe detour

It is toll-free.  I initially recalled the ramp to 576 being a left-hand merge, but it isn't.  The curvature of the loop ramp to 79 could be a reason, but those are fairly wide radiuses with a 45 MPH posted speed.  Definitely an odd omission.

Another move for traffic traveling north on Washington Pike would be to travel south instead to access the new ramp to 576 from Morganza Rd.  That dumps you right onto the ramp for 79 North.

My guess would be that the maintenance of traffic plans were developed before the PA 576 ramps were open.

I asked PennDOT on Facebook and they said they can only use "state owned" roads for detours.  Guess the Turnpike isn't state-owned (even though it is run by a state agency).
...or sending people onto a toll road as a detour is really, really, really bad optics.

There's no toll on that section
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Re: SW Pennsylvania
« Reply #370 on: August 24, 2022, 09:54:25 AM »

PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3004 McLaughlin Run Road Roundabout Opens Today in Upper St. Clair


Not sure why they created a right turn only lane for one approach when both have to yield into the roundabout anyway.  Don't they normally make such a turn lane free-flowing and island separated so the yield is beyond the roundabout?
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« Reply #371 on: August 24, 2022, 09:57:49 AM »

^Yes normally.  Not sure why that was not done here (at least based on the video).
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« Reply #372 on: August 24, 2022, 10:53:19 AM »

On another note, looks like I-79 is fully reopened around the PA 576 interchange, based on the camera views.  The SB climbing lane is now open and the road is 3 lanes through the interchange.
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