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Mackinac Bridge congestion

Started by JREwing78, July 09, 2024, 10:04:27 PM

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vdeane

The mention of internet speeds being slow enough to make credit card transactions an issue in the article made me think about the E-ZPass/MacPass thing.  Could internet speeds be a reason why they're not interoperable?  E-ZPass payments would have to be sent to the IAG and the home agencies of the tag holders; MacPass, on the other hand, can be processed on site.  This might also be the reason it's so expensive: if they might be trying to minimize card transactions by keeping balances high instead of starting with a more typical balance that would replenish sooner (they probably also have a disproportionate amount of trucks in their transponder user base, since Mackinaw City and St. Ignace aren't that big).

Quote from: JREwing78 on July 17, 2024, 08:49:27 PMIt's unsurprising, but silly, that credit cards are cited by Bridge Authority employees as the holdup. We're not taking about some one-lane toll bridge off a two-track in the middle of the wilderness, and they're not using imprinters with carbon paper and making people sign them.

All sorts of communication and other things make the crossing of the Straits in that general vicinity, so it's not like the Bridge Authority couldn't come up with decent high-speed internet, even if it's having to play in the wholesale market with wireless ISPs and such. Even if it had no other options, I'm sure Starlink would be happy to oblige.

If I can unlock a gas pump in under 10 seconds with tap-to-pay, the Bridge Authority should be able to crack off a series of $4 or $8 transactions just as quickly. But you've got to get driver's ready to tap or swipe and get rolling; too many are too distracted. If done properly, a credit card should go as fast as having exact cash.
This reminds me of another thread where the logistics of taking credit cards came up.  And in both that thread and this thread, in the end it comes down to the difference between what can be solved and what the people in an organization are willing to solve.

Also, I certainly have experience with the "solved" scenario.  I crossed the St. Lawrence on A-30 back in May, and it was easy, barely any more time than it would have taken to use a 5 mph E-ZPass lane on the Thruway (back when those were still a thing).  I just pulled up, held my card on the tap to pay reader, and off I went, the time at the actual booth barely even took a second.
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Rothman

Quote from: Flint1979 on July 17, 2024, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 07:42:30 PMWhat I get from Flint is that he thinks Michiganders don't leave their state.
Their state? I live here too. And as someone who once in awhile leaves the state why would I think that?

Because your whole argument assumes it.
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Flint1979

Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 17, 2024, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 07:42:30 PMWhat I get from Flint is that he thinks Michiganders don't leave their state.
Their state? I live here too. And as someone who once in awhile leaves the state why would I think that?

Because your whole argument assumes it.
No it doesn't. Why would a Michigan resident need an EZPass when Michigan doesn't have toll roads? Even if someone from Michigan does travel on a toll road outside of Michigan it's not like it's often enough for someone to think oh man I should have an EZPass. That doesn't mean that people from Michigan don't have it though.

Rothman

Quote from: Flint1979 on Today at 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 17, 2024, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 07:42:30 PMWhat I get from Flint is that he thinks Michiganders don't leave their state.
Their state? I live here too. And as someone who once in awhile leaves the state why would I think that?

Because your whole argument assumes it.
No it doesn't. Why would a Michigan resident need an EZPass when Michigan doesn't have toll roads? Even if someone from Michigan does travel on a toll road outside of Michigan it's not like it's often enough for someone to think oh man I should have an EZPass. That doesn't mean that people from Michigan don't have it though.

*sigh*

I think this statement speaks for itself.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Flint1979 on Today at 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 17, 2024, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2024, 07:42:30 PMWhat I get from Flint is that he thinks Michiganders don't leave their state.
Their state? I live here too. And as someone who once in awhile leaves the state why would I think that?

Because your whole argument assumes it.
No it doesn't. Why would a Michigan resident need an EZPass when Michigan doesn't have toll roads? Even if someone from Michigan does travel on a toll road outside of Michigan it's not like it's often enough for someone to think oh man I should have an EZPass. That doesn't mean that people from Michigan don't have it though.


Having lived in Wisconsin and Iowa, I have seen all sorts of people with iPasses in both states even though neither have toll roads. I am one of them. I wouldn't be surprised if there are tens of thousands of Michigan residents that have one already.



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