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Started by MDOTFanFB, October 26, 2012, 08:06:31 PM

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JREwing78

Lots of low overpasses (< 16 ft) on that section of US-23, but nothing that a normal load would have a problem with.

SM-G991U


Flint1979

That WILL be a problem if MDOT doesn't get that done quickly. Tomorrow is Thursday and by Friday the Memorial Day weekend traffic is going to be very heavy going north on both US-23 and I-75.

Flint1979

By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.

Terry Shea

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.

JREwing78

#830
Looks like US-23 @ Hill Rd will be reopened Thursday morning. They have some good pictures of the damage to the bridge, which looks like it's repairable without having to demolish. That particular bridge is newer and looks like it's has at least 16' of clearance (no clearance signage is posted).

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/freeway-closed-after-vehicle-crash

Street view: https://goo.gl/maps/B7BeCAt59z1SGdjJ9

Flint1979

Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.

Terry Shea

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.

Flint1979

Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.
They just started that project last year and had it completely shut down over the winter. It's been a little while since I've been through there I'll have to look and see if they are doing any work when I go through there next time. It's only about 20 miles from my house.

Terry Shea

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.
They just started that project last year and had it completely shut down over the winter. It's been a little while since I've been through there I'll have to look and see if they are doing any work when I go through there next time. It's only about 20 miles from my house.
I go through there a couple of times a week.  There's nothing going on.  Maybe they'll start back up after Memorial Day, but it almost looks like the project has been abandoned.  There's some construction equipment shoved off to the side, but it just looks like a very odd place to leave the bridge hanging, and it seems like it's been like that since long before winter arrived.

Flint1979

Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.
They just started that project last year and had it completely shut down over the winter. It's been a little while since I've been through there I'll have to look and see if they are doing any work when I go through there next time. It's only about 20 miles from my house.
I go through there a couple of times a week.  There's nothing going on.  Maybe they'll start back up after Memorial Day, but it almost looks like the project has been abandoned.  There's some construction equipment shoved off to the side, but it just looks like a very odd place to leave the bridge hanging, and it seems like it's been like that since long before winter arrived.
I was just through there about an hour ago and got off at the Linwood exit and went around to both sides of it and there isn't anything going on. I'm sure it's something that they are going to get back to because there wasn't any construction on I-75 itself either so nothing is going on at the present moment on this project. The bridge was demolished in April 2021 but it seems like work has been going on in Bay, Saginaw and Genesee counties forever on I-75. I'm not complaining about the construction in Oakland County too much and that is a different region of MDOT anyway.

But still it says that the project resumed in April 2022 and will be complete in August 2022. It's almost June and I see a stalled construction site.

Flint1979

What I'd really like to know is when is MDOT ever going to do anything with US-23 between Flint and the state line? I mean seriously this highway is a joke. The flex lanes they added really don't do that much to help and it's ridiculous that they would even think of such a stupid idea because the idea of a part time lane is downright stupid. It's like this highway has been neglected and it's a pretty important highway in the state even though it didn't start out that way. People get over well too early for the I-96 interchange in both directions which for Detroit bound traffic SB has a left lane exit and for Lansing bound traffic NB has a left lane exit that cause massive backups in the area, they'll get over and drive too slow for the left lane for over a mile at times. It's been this way for years and MDOT hasn't done anything about it. The pavement quality is horrible in some areas as well, it's four lanes for almost the entire stretch except for the stupid flex lanes when they are open and the concurrency with M-14.

It's time to get cracking on this. Starting at the Ohio border this highway should be four lanes until you get to Milan then it should be six lanes until I-94, then eight lanes until M-59, then six lanes until I-75. North of Flint on the concurrency with I-75 it's fine. I-75 itself should be more than four lanes between MM's 111 and 115 as well.

GaryV

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 03:56:20 PM
North of Flint on the concurrency with I-75 it's fine.
The concurrency needs 3 lanes each way from north of Bay City to the split near Standish.

Flint1979

Quote from: GaryV on May 26, 2022, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 03:56:20 PM
North of Flint on the concurrency with I-75 it's fine.
The concurrency needs 3 lanes each way from north of Bay City to the split near Standish.
That wouldn't be a bad idea. It gets a lot of traffic going north on Friday's and south on Sunday's in the summer and hunting season and the US-23 split is where a lot of traffic separates going to and coming from the north. I-75 dips under 10,000 VPD north of the M-55 Houghton Lake exit but maintains about 20,000 VPD in the stretch between Bay City and Standish.

At the US-23 split in Flint there is almost 90,000 VPD using that stretch between MM 115 and 117. It maintains over 60,000 VPD along the six lane stretch between MM 117 and 125. I've looked all along US-23 between Flint and the Ohio border and it doesn't drop below 40,000 VPD at all, no way should the majority of this highway only be four lanes.

skluth

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.
They just started that project last year and had it completely shut down over the winter. It's been a little while since I've been through there I'll have to look and see if they are doing any work when I go through there next time. It's only about 20 miles from my house.
I go through there a couple of times a week.  There's nothing going on.  Maybe they'll start back up after Memorial Day, but it almost looks like the project has been abandoned.  There's some construction equipment shoved off to the side, but it just looks like a very odd place to leave the bridge hanging, and it seems like it's been like that since long before winter arrived.
I was just through there about an hour ago and got off at the Linwood exit and went around to both sides of it and there isn't anything going on. I'm sure it's something that they are going to get back to because there wasn't any construction on I-75 itself either so nothing is going on at the present moment on this project. The bridge was demolished in April 2021 but it seems like work has been going on in Bay, Saginaw and Genesee counties forever on I-75. I'm not complaining about the construction in Oakland County too much and that is a different region of MDOT anyway.

But still it says that the project resumed in April 2022 and will be complete in August 2022. It's almost June and I see a stalled construction site.

Memorial Day is the unofficial start of Construction Season in the Upper Midwest.

Flint1979

Quote from: skluth on May 26, 2022, 06:05:01 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.
They just started that project last year and had it completely shut down over the winter. It's been a little while since I've been through there I'll have to look and see if they are doing any work when I go through there next time. It's only about 20 miles from my house.
I go through there a couple of times a week.  There's nothing going on.  Maybe they'll start back up after Memorial Day, but it almost looks like the project has been abandoned.  There's some construction equipment shoved off to the side, but it just looks like a very odd place to leave the bridge hanging, and it seems like it's been like that since long before winter arrived.
I was just through there about an hour ago and got off at the Linwood exit and went around to both sides of it and there isn't anything going on. I'm sure it's something that they are going to get back to because there wasn't any construction on I-75 itself either so nothing is going on at the present moment on this project. The bridge was demolished in April 2021 but it seems like work has been going on in Bay, Saginaw and Genesee counties forever on I-75. I'm not complaining about the construction in Oakland County too much and that is a different region of MDOT anyway.

But still it says that the project resumed in April 2022 and will be complete in August 2022. It's almost June and I see a stalled construction site.

Memorial Day is the unofficial start of Construction Season in the Upper Midwest.
Construction season started over a month ago here.

Terry Shea

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 26, 2022, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Shea on May 25, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 25, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
By the way all eight lanes are open between mile markers 148 and 150 on I-75. The median is complete and the new signs have been installed on the southbound side. I think they are just working on demolishing the rest of the old ramps and completing the project. I-75 is now eight lanes between I-475 at mile marker 125 and I-675 at mile marker 150 and eight lanes again between mile marker 155 and 164.
Do you know what the deal is with that halfway built or demolished bridge near mm 171 on I-75.  It seems like it's just been sitting like that with no work being done for a couple of years now.
You're talking about the Parish Road overpass. They had that completely demolished last year and are rebuilding it now it should be done later this year. This was all part of a $29 million project to rebuild 5 miles of I-75 in that area.

I-75 will probably back up in this area. M-13 or 7 Mile Road work good for alternate routes to I-75 in that area.
It doesn't look like any work is being done on the bridge and nothing has been done for a very long time.
They just started that project last year and had it completely shut down over the winter. It's been a little while since I've been through there I'll have to look and see if they are doing any work when I go through there next time. It's only about 20 miles from my house.
I go through there a couple of times a week.  There's nothing going on.  Maybe they'll start back up after Memorial Day, but it almost looks like the project has been abandoned.  There's some construction equipment shoved off to the side, but it just looks like a very odd place to leave the bridge hanging, and it seems like it's been like that since long before winter arrived.
I was just through there about an hour ago and got off at the Linwood exit and went around to both sides of it and there isn't anything going on. I'm sure it's something that they are going to get back to because there wasn't any construction on I-75 itself either so nothing is going on at the present moment on this project. The bridge was demolished in April 2021 but it seems like work has been going on in Bay, Saginaw and Genesee counties forever on I-75. I'm not complaining about the construction in Oakland County too much and that is a different region of MDOT anyway.

But still it says that the project resumed in April 2022 and will be complete in August 2022. It's almost June and I see a stalled construction site.
They had lanes closed on I-75 up until about a week ago just south of the bridge, but nothing has been going on with that bridge for a very long time.

roadman65

Why is Flint still signed on I-275 being it will never go beyond I-96?  Why was it even signed in the first place?  Even InDOT is waiting to assign Indy when the last upgrade of IN 37 is completed for I-69 North.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

sprjus4

^ I-275 North to I-96 West to US-23 North is still the fastest route to Flint.

Flint1979

Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2022, 07:15:01 AM
Why is Flint still signed on I-275 being it will never go beyond I-96?  Why was it even signed in the first place?  Even InDOT is waiting to assign Indy when the last upgrade of IN 37 is completed for I-69 North.
Because I-275 was originally suppose to end at I-75 near Davisburg. And you can still get to Flint going that way, signs tell you that you have to take I-96 west to US-23 north. And in 1960 Flint was the second largest city in Michigan, still in the 4th largest metro area in Michigan.

Flint1979

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 29, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
^ I-275 North to I-96 West to US-23 North is still the fastest route to Flint.
Kinda depends on where you're coming from. If you're in Monroe, taking M-50 to US-23 north would be faster than taking I-275 to I-96. If you are already on I-75 north and coming up to I-275 it's faster by about 5 minutes to take that route. It's 8 miles further to continue on I-75. So really you could take your pick there almost.

JREwing78

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 26, 2022, 03:56:20 PM
What I'd really like to know is when is MDOT ever going to do anything with US-23 between Flint and the state line?

Roughly about the time there are no political repercussions for hiking the fuel tax by 20-30 cents a gallon (or heaven forbid, send the 6% sales tax revenue to roads). I wouldn't hold your breath on that.

There is ZERO appetite for highway expansion in Michigan. They can't even put together a plan to FIX the roads they've got without risking political career-ending backlash for gas prices going up.

There are thousands of miles of highway in Michigan that warrants freeway conversion, widening, and so on, and thousands more that cry for simply fixing the damn potholes. Gov. Whitmer bonded for Rebuilding Michigan because she couldn't get the legislature to play ball on a gas tax hike.

Literally the only way widening is happening now is when the roadbed has to be completely rebuilt, and MDOT can scrape together a bunch of federal dollars to foot the bill. But it's a couple miles here, a couple miles there. There is no outcry for 6-laning any of the congested 4-lane freeways - at least to the extent that people are willing to pay more for gas to do it.

This is why you're seeing BS like the FlexLane popping up everywhere - because MDOT can pull that off without having to completely replace the roadbed or widen the roadway to full Interstate standard. It's also why projects like US-31 in Benton Harbor take decades to complete, why US-127 between Ithaca and St. Johns is a 70-year old divided highway segment, and why M-231 is a 2-lane middle-of-nowhere river crossing instead of a 4-lane freeway connecting Muskegon to Holland.

Meanwhile, Wisconsin in the past 30 years built thousands of miles of new expressway and freeway segments crisscrossing the state. How? They raised the gas tax to a healthy level, then indexed it to inflation so it never lost value. In comparison to other states, some folks argue Wisconsin roads are overbuilt.

Well, at least until the 2008 recession, when they killed the indexing measure. WisDOT has since lost funding relative to inflation and has had to cut budgets, and that's reflected in a lot of roads going to pot and projects delayed or canceled outright. Municipalities have had to resort to a host of measures (including wheel taxes and higher registration) to make up the difference. Without restoration of the pre-2008 funding levels, Wisconsin roads are starting to reflect that underinvestment.

Basically, you have to have a legislature and executive that will take the short-term heat for hiking fuel taxes, registration, and other fees to ensure steady highway funding. Again, don't hold your breath.

thenetwork

^^  If MDOT would let a private/public partnership build and operate HOT lanes along US-23 and I-94 with MDOT getting a percentage of the toll profits that must be used in other highway projects....


....Nah,...too easy!!

nwi_navigator_1181

The family and I are going back up to the UP at the end of this month, and I'm sure that the ramp from I-94 east to I-196 will still be closed by the time we hit the road. I know the official detour calls for traffic to pass I-196, go to M-140, and double back to I-196 via I-94 west.

I'm not the biggest fan of the "double back to go forward"  strategy, so I ask you in the know: should I follow the official detour, or is it quicker to use some connection of Red Arrow and M-63 to pick up I-196 from a connecting road up north?

All suggestions welcome.
"Slower Traffic Keep Right" means just that.
You use turn signals. Every Time. Every Transition.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on June 01, 2022, 10:53:16 AM
The family and I are going back up to the UP at the end of this month, and I'm sure that the ramp from I-94 east to I-196 will still be closed by the time we hit the road. I know the official detour calls for traffic to pass I-196, go to M-140, and double back to I-196 via I-94 west.

I'm not the biggest fan of the "double back to go forward"  strategy, so I ask you in the know: should I follow the official detour, or is it quicker to use some connection of Red Arrow and M-63 to pick up I-196 from a connecting road up north?

All suggestions welcome.

According to Google Maps, US 31 South -> Benton Center Rd -> Red Arrow Hwy is 3 minutes faster than doubling back at Friday Rd
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