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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5050 on: August 19, 2022, 08:05:37 AM »

This doesn't quite qualify as a US/state mixup.  It's more of a state/state mixup so I put it in this thread. This sign faces the exit from a facility along Kankakee County Highway 9, on the eastern side of Manteno, IL.  This isn't Delaware, New Jersey, Kentucky, Mississippi, or Iowa!  This is Illinois!  This photo is in my "Nope Springs Eternal" folder, which is currently 100 photos of traffic control fails.


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Probably just looked in the federal MUTCD for "what does a state highway marker look like", saw the default circle shield, and ran with it.

Or they looked at a AAA Map of Illinois, saw the state circle routes and ran with it!

Interesting that the I-57 assembly is from IDOT and is attached to the "SR-1" part. I wonder if the I-57 side was also wrong at one point and IDOT decided to update it.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5051 on: August 20, 2022, 01:59:16 AM »

a) my google maps is showing the arrow that takes you out of SV backwards
This doesn't quite qualify as a US/state mixup.  It's more of a state/state mixup so I put it in this thread. This sign faces the exit from a facility along Kankakee County Highway 9, on the eastern side of Manteno, IL.  This isn't Delaware, New Jersey, Kentucky, Mississippi, or Iowa!  This is Illinois!  This photo is in my "Nope Springs Eternal" folder, which is currently 100 photos of traffic control fails.


20220810_121640 by Paul Drives, on Flickr

Probably just looked in the federal MUTCD for "what does a state highway marker look like", saw the default circle shield, and ran with it.

Or they looked at a AAA Map of Illinois, saw the state circle routes and ran with it!

Interesting that the I-57 assembly is from IDOT and is attached to the "SR-1" part. I wonder if the I-57 side was also wrong at one point and IDOT decided to update it.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2507995,-87.8104158,3a,15.4y,351.73h,88.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfBYPnmxs6vGRFo212FMPbw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664?hl=en
Looks like you were right: the old 57 shield was too top-justified and had white banners, however this was changed between 2009 and 2016. Also changed between those years (but obviously after the 57 shield) was the circle shield, which is now a normal Illinois shield.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5052 on: August 20, 2022, 10:29:21 AM »


Putting the name of an attraction (NJPAC) inside a state route shield.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5053 on: August 22, 2022, 09:14:46 AM »

I'm not sure whether this is really an error per se, but it's an oddity where the sign conflicts with the traffic signal such that one or the other could be argued to be incorrect. I think what is really going on here is that the District of Columbia views South Capitol Street as continuing around this new "traffic oval," and they therefore put up straight-ahead arrows for the traffic lights because you are continuing "straight" on South Capitol, but they then threw up a "No Turn on Red" sign because they thought drivers would view the situation as a right turn. It's odd, though, to have a straight-ahead signal signed for "No Turn on Red." I don't know whether they have red arrows because I haven't driven through there since the new configuration opened. I note at the other end of the oval near the ballpark there are red left arrows for traffic staying on the oval (maybe heading to the soccer stadium) and green straight-ahead arrows for traffic exiting the oval to stay on South Capitol Street.

https://goo.gl/maps/sXM5HhLndqF62sxA8
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5054 on: August 22, 2022, 11:54:10 AM »

I'm not sure whether this is really an error per se, but it's an oddity where the sign conflicts with the traffic signal such that one or the other could be argued to be incorrect. I think what is really going on here is that the District of Columbia views South Capitol Street as continuing around this new "traffic oval," and they therefore put up straight-ahead arrows for the traffic lights because you are continuing "straight" on South Capitol, but they then threw up a "No Turn on Red" sign because they thought drivers would view the situation as a right turn. It's odd, though, to have a straight-ahead signal signed for "No Turn on Red." I don't know whether they have red arrows because I haven't driven through there since the new configuration opened. I note at the other end of the oval near the ballpark there are red left arrows for traffic staying on the oval (maybe heading to the soccer stadium) and green straight-ahead arrows for traffic exiting the oval to stay on South Capitol Street.

https://goo.gl/maps/sXM5HhLndqF62sxA8

I'm glad you posted this, I was waiting for this intersection to be on Street View. I haven't seen a new traffic circle built in decades (everything has been roundabouts, and even then, it's been almost entirely Maryland building them in the DMV area).

I think this may be a better fit for the generic "Traffic Signal" thread.

Still, my thoughts: I think it's a red orb, based on this street view image. The issue reminds me of what happens at many DDIs, where "no turn on red" signs are used but the arrows are straight. Example in Colorado that I find especially confusing since there is a R3-5R "right turn only" sign overhead, conflicting with the signals showing straight-ahead arrows.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5055 on: August 22, 2022, 01:57:50 PM »

I'm not sure whether this is really an error per se, but it's an oddity where the sign conflicts with the traffic signal such that one or the other could be argued to be incorrect. I think what is really going on here is that the District of Columbia views South Capitol Street as continuing around this new "traffic oval," and they therefore put up straight-ahead arrows for the traffic lights because you are continuing "straight" on South Capitol, but they then threw up a "No Turn on Red" sign because they thought drivers would view the situation as a right turn. It's odd, though, to have a straight-ahead signal signed for "No Turn on Red." I don't know whether they have red arrows because I haven't driven through there since the new configuration opened. I note at the other end of the oval near the ballpark there are red left arrows for traffic staying on the oval (maybe heading to the soccer stadium) and green straight-ahead arrows for traffic exiting the oval to stay on South Capitol Street.

https://goo.gl/maps/sXM5HhLndqF62sxA8

I'm glad you posted this, I was waiting for this intersection to be on Street View. I haven't seen a new traffic circle built in decades (everything has been roundabouts, and even then, it's been almost entirely Maryland building them in the DMV area).

I think this may be a better fit for the generic "Traffic Signal" thread.

Still, my thoughts: I think it's a red orb, based on this street view image. The issue reminds me of what happens at many DDIs, where "no turn on red" signs are used but the arrows are straight. Example in Colorado that I find especially confusing since there is a R3-5R "right turn only" sign overhead, conflicting with the signals showing straight-ahead arrows.

I posted a few pictures taken from above (on one of the ramps to the upper concourse at the ballpark) earlier this summer when we went to the Ryan Zimmerman number retirement game. Here's that post, in case you hadn't seen the pictures:

The intersection of South Capitol Street and Potomac Avenue outside Nats Park has changed just a bit.







For those who haven’t seen the bridge:


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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5056 on: August 22, 2022, 01:59:28 PM »

I posted a few pictures taken from above (on one of the ramps to the upper concourse at the ballpark) earlier this summer when we went to the Ryan Zimmerman number retirement game. Here's that post, in case you hadn't seen the pictures:

I did see them! Thank you for sharing.

I think, long-term, I'm interested to see the lane layout. I think that's what I'll need GSV for, since no one is going to bother taking a picture of that :-D.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5057 on: August 22, 2022, 09:21:24 PM »

The TO banners are what's erroneous here, as Chamberlayne Ave is US 1/301.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/D9353G6BVAiG6BFH9
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5058 on: August 23, 2022, 03:54:02 PM »

Not quite Interstate 6, not quote US Route 6 in Barnstable, Massachusetts...


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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5059 on: August 23, 2022, 04:57:08 PM »

Not quite Interstate 6, not quote US Route 6 in Barnstable, Massachusetts...


That's been posted a bunch of times on the forum.  Wonder how many times in this thread... :D
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5060 on: August 23, 2022, 05:27:16 PM »

Not quite Interstate 6, not quote US Route 6 in Barnstable, Massachusetts...


That's been posted a bunch of times on the forum.  Wonder how many times in this thread... :D

After a search for "Barnstable", "Hyannis", "cape cod" and/or with "Interstate 6" had no direct results in this thread or any other, I'm going to also blatantly and lazily assume that I'm the first.

That doesn't mean nobody else ever saw nor discussed it elsewhere.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5061 on: August 27, 2022, 12:38:38 PM »

Not quite Interstate 6, not quote US Route 6 in Barnstable, Massachusetts...

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That's been posted a bunch of times on the forum.  Wonder how many times in this thread... :D

After a search for "Barnstable", "Hyannis", "cape cod" and/or with "Interstate 6" had no direct results in this thread or any other, I'm going to also blatantly and lazily assume that I'm the first.

That doesn't mean nobody else ever saw nor discussed it elsewhere.

Until the mid-90s it was the Mass way to only show I-shields on paddle signs, and even then (especially on the lower sign) an Interstate might be in text (many specimens with 95 in text survived until fairly recently)...and given the penchant for messing up the shield (MA 202 rectangles, white I-6, etc.), maybe Mass should have stuck to text mostly!  Any older and this sign would have said "TO RTE 6" without a shield which would have been OK as everything in Mass is a "route"--route 1, route 3, the other route 3, route 95, route 2....
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5062 on: August 29, 2022, 10:07:57 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/tArF4PHXWM9ruSBc6
Wrong County. Should be Burlington County not Atlantic.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5063 on: September 07, 2022, 08:18:21 AM »

The arrows seem to be a bit off here. (I do not think US 431 is concurrent with its business route in Dothan, AL.)
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5064 on: September 10, 2022, 04:25:11 PM »

The arrows seem to be a bit off here. (I do not think US 431 is concurrent with its business route in Dothan, AL.)
Nor is North US 231 and Bus 231.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5065 on: September 10, 2022, 07:11:51 PM »



This assembly in Jacksonville is supposed to be for US 90 ALT and SR 10. Been wrong since 2019.

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5066 on: September 11, 2022, 10:03:59 AM »



This assembly in Jacksonville is supposed to be for US 90 ALT and SR 10. Been wrong since 2019.

Heh, saw this last week and you've saved me trouble of posting it.

Ironically, there's the tiny 10A nearby.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5067 on: September 14, 2022, 07:48:57 PM »

The arrows seem to be a bit off here. (I do not think US 431 is concurrent with its business route in Dothan, AL.)
Nor is North US 231 and Bus 231.


Was like that two years ago as well.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5068 on: September 23, 2022, 03:07:28 PM »

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5069 on: September 25, 2022, 08:09:28 PM »

^^^^

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« Reply #5070 on: September 25, 2022, 09:00:13 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/MaCJY6eNF1XxQFbr9
Isn’t this Mainline US 62?

Also isn’t there a Business US 68 that concurs with US 62 through Aberdeen, OH  and Maysville, KY?
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5071 on: September 25, 2022, 11:13:00 PM »



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you-had-one-job dept.

You don't think that maybe, just maybe, that DDOT changed the name so that folks won't think the street will take them towards Virginia?  I always found it odd that Virginia Avenue is on a diagonal such that it runs kinda parallel to the Potomac River at a distance such that the line would never intersect the river (nor the state).  At least Maryland Avenue does take you towards Maryland.  (Yeah, big whup.  So do most of the streets in the District).
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« Reply #5072 on: September 26, 2022, 02:44:58 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/MaCJY6eNF1XxQFbr9
Isn’t this Mainline US 62?

Also isn’t there a Business US 68 that concurs with US 62 through Aberdeen, OH  and Maysville, KY?
This is mainline US 62.  There is no longer a Business US 62 through Aberdeen, OH and Maysville, KY since the US 68 bypass of the two cities was completed around 2015.  The bypass used to cross the Harsha Bridge and then ended at KY 9/10/AA Highway.  US 62/68 was routed on the bypass, then was routed on the AA Highway to where US 62 currently crosses KY 9 in Maysville.  Current US 62 through Maysville and Aberdeen was the business route for US 62/68.

There is a Business US 68.  It goes from where US 68 splits off on the bypass south of Maysville to the US 62 intersection a couple of miles away.  That’s it.  It should be posted as a US 68 Spur or a KY 3X68 state highway.

Both KYTC and Ohio DOT should correct the signage for these routes through Maysville and Aberdeen.  There are quite a few errors.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5073 on: September 26, 2022, 07:37:52 AM »



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you-had-one-job dept.

You don't think that maybe, just maybe, that DDOT changed the name so that folks won't think the street will take them towards Virginia?  I always found it odd that Virginia Avenue is on a diagonal such that it runs kinda parallel to the Potomac River at a distance such that the line would never intersect the river (nor the state).  At least Maryland Avenue does take you towards Maryland.  (Yeah, big whup.  So do most of the streets in the District).

Well, it IS the same agency that posted the signs seen below on Vermont Avenue (they’re still there). The thread is locked, so I’ll link the post for now because the iPad browser won’t let me get a link to the image. I’ll edit this later from my PC when I have time.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3521.msg2304034#msg2304034

Edited to add: Notice the same error appears on two signs in this photo.

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #5074 on: September 26, 2022, 09:13:20 AM »

The routings of US 62 and US 68 have changed a number of times since the new bridge was built. Originally, US 62 and US 68 followed the AA Highway west to the turnoff for the new route and bridge. The new connector route originally had a 3000-series state route number before both US highways were routed onto it.

When the US 68 bypass was built, no intersection with US 62 was created. The roads cross at a grade separation with no interchange. Therefore, US 62 is routed back through downtown.

It's signed properly in Kentucky, but still signed as Business 62 in Ohio.

I have a number of photos over the years showing how the signage evolved on both sides of the river.
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