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Started by Mdcastle, April 18, 2012, 07:54:36 PM

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andarcondadont

Quote from: EpicRoadways on April 09, 2024, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 09, 2024, 03:53:36 PMNew projects:

-Westward extension of road from I-94/TH 610 interchange to connect to Hennepin CSAH 30

https://dot.state.mn.us/construction/index.html
I'm still a little bit unclear about what exactly is included in this project. According to the project webpage, the direct connections between 610 and 94 are all "unfunded", with the exception of the EB 610 thru movement onto the existing 610. If the WB 610 connection/flyover is unfunded, will the new "funded" westbound alignment between Lawndale Lane and the future EB 94 ramp sit unused until there is funding to complete the connection? Will there be some sort of temporary signal setup or two-way traffic along the future EB 610 connection to tie both WB and EB thru traffic together in the meantime? Maybe I'm just missing something and the graphic on the first page is just out of date, because there are other places on the website that make it seem like the unfunded sections are going to be constructed shortly as well.

An alert box at the top of the page now details the start of construction on the new bridge over I-94. With that in mind, I think it would be fair to assume that the connection is now funded.

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froggie

Quote from: andarcondadont on April 11, 2024, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: EpicRoadways on April 09, 2024, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 09, 2024, 03:53:36 PMNew projects:

-Westward extension of road from I-94/TH 610 interchange to connect to Hennepin CSAH 30

https://dot.state.mn.us/construction/index.html
I'm still a little bit unclear about what exactly is included in this project. According to the project webpage, the direct connections between 610 and 94 are all "unfunded", with the exception of the EB 610 thru movement onto the existing 610. If the WB 610 connection/flyover is unfunded, will the new "funded" westbound alignment between Lawndale Lane and the future EB 94 ramp sit unused until there is funding to complete the connection? Will there be some sort of temporary signal setup or two-way traffic along the future EB 610 connection to tie both WB and EB thru traffic together in the meantime? Maybe I'm just missing something and the graphic on the first page is just out of date, because there are other places on the website that make it seem like the unfunded sections are going to be constructed shortly as well.

An alert box at the top of the page now details the start of construction on the new bridge over I-94. With that in mind, I think it would be fair to assume that the connection is now funded.

Some of it is, yes.  The question mark is whether the connection from westbound 610 (and, by association, the Maple Grove Pkwy on-ramp) to the new roadway is included in the construction.  I did a dive the other day and was unable to find an answer.

Roadguy

Quote from: froggie on April 11, 2024, 06:51:19 AM
Quote from: andarcondadont on April 11, 2024, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: EpicRoadways on April 09, 2024, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 09, 2024, 03:53:36 PMNew projects:

-Westward extension of road from I-94/TH 610 interchange to connect to Hennepin CSAH 30

https://dot.state.mn.us/construction/index.html
I'm still a little bit unclear about what exactly is included in this project. According to the project webpage, the direct connections between 610 and 94 are all "unfunded", with the exception of the EB 610 thru movement onto the existing 610. If the WB 610 connection/flyover is unfunded, will the new "funded" westbound alignment between Lawndale Lane and the future EB 94 ramp sit unused until there is funding to complete the connection? Will there be some sort of temporary signal setup or two-way traffic along the future EB 610 connection to tie both WB and EB thru traffic together in the meantime? Maybe I'm just missing something and the graphic on the first page is just out of date, because there are other places on the website that make it seem like the unfunded sections are going to be constructed shortly as well.

An alert box at the top of the page now details the start of construction on the new bridge over I-94. With that in mind, I think it would be fair to assume that the connection is now funded.

Some of it is, yes.  The question mark is whether the connection from westbound 610 (and, by association, the Maple Grove Pkwy on-ramp) to the new roadway is included in the construction.  I did a dive the other day and was unable to find an answer.

The MnDOT staff approved layout on the website shows everything including the "unfunded" portions, so I assume they got funding for it: https://www.610extensionproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/220418_12510_loa1_SIGNED.pdf

froggie

^ That staff-approved layout also dates to when other maps on the project website were differentiating between "city led project" and "unfunded" sections.  Would like to see something more concrete.  I've sent an email asking for clarification.

froggie

I received a response from the project manager.  And he confirmed that, yes indeed, the construction will include the connections from WB 610.  So everything that's shown in yellow and red on the main map on the project website.

bschultzy

Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 09, 2024, 03:53:36 PMThe 2024 construction roundup.

Ongoing:
-I-35/535/US 53 Can of Worms rebuild in Duluth
-I-35W/494 interchange in Bloomington, including ongoing work on a new turbine ramp from NB 35W to WB 494
-Converting the US 10/TH 23 interchange in St. Cloud from a cloverleaf to a folded diamond
-US 169 freeway conversion in Elk River (the new Main St. interchange)

https://dot.state.mn.us/construction/index.html

I drove through the 35W/494 interchange about 10 days ago, and the piers, grading, and even some beams were in place for the new turbine ramp.

TheHighwayMan3561

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The Ghostbuster

The second sign has the correct spelling, or was only the first sign replaced?

froggie

Both were originally replaced.  It wasn't until sign replacements the past few years that MnDOT started doing right-justified exit tabs.

TheHighwayMan3561

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TheHighwayMan3561

#1885
Can of Worms completion date pushed back a year, likely because of the human remains discoveries last year. The state refused to answer any questions about that subject at their update announcing the construction delays.

https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2024/04/30/twin-ports-interchange-construction-completion-date-moved-2025/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2oR-eA7VxtnlMcXX7ZMchvtpuN3828ESxRG71QjI66jLGBRpbgKVWPXFk_aem_Ab1h8eiLEawGuCWstIQ0Qx72BB4OXC6Yx9vbuHotXwdwbPrQWepPycHGngJ8OhrzVGncYJqh7VOy64Y8xZj1M5_0
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Rothman

Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 29, 2024, 09:18:57 PMCan of Worms completion date pushed back a year, likely because of the human remains discoveries last year. The state refused to answer any questions about that subject at their update announcing the construction delays.

https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2024/04/30/twin-ports-interchange-construction-completion-date-moved-2025/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2oR-eA7VxtnlMcXX7ZMchvtpuN3828ESxRG71QjI66jLGBRpbgKVWPXFk_aem_Ab1h8eiLEawGuCWstIQ0Qx72BB4OXC6Yx9vbuHotXwdwbPrQWepPycHGngJ8OhrzVGncYJqh7VOy64Y8xZj1M5_0

I'm sure the short construction season doesn't help things, either.  People tend to forget that very little can happen over the winter...unless you pay twice as much for cold-curing concrete and the like.  Still, I'd wonder about that even working up there with the common -30°F weather.
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triplemultiplex

Two seasons Up North:
Winter and Under Construction

I wonder what kind of interesting archeological discovery they made?  I expect a fascinating documentary about it one year from now, Minnesota PBS! ;)
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TheHighwayMan3561

MnDOT will install a handful of bilingual Ojibwe/English signs on TH 61 in Cook County this week, both on and off the Grand Portage reservation.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/05/12/grand-portage-band-and-mndot-to-unveil-ojibweenglish-road-signs
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Mdcastle

Doesn't mention how much the new signs cost compared to standard signs or if the old signs were even in need of replacement.

froggie

Quote from: Mdcastle on May 14, 2024, 11:43:01 AMDoesn't mention how much the new signs cost compared to standard signs or if the old signs were even in need of replacement.

Given that signage is low-cost compared to other things like signals and pavement, does it really matter?  ALso, IIRC MnDOT has a long-standing policy of refinishing and reusing signs wherever possible.

That said, the Pigeon River Bridge is in the middle of a redecking and approach regrading project, so sign replacement there was likely happening anyway.

Molandfreak

Signage on the rest of TH 61 was replaced a few years ago, so the signage on this stretch is likely near the end of its lifespan anyway. Heck, there is even a "begin speed limit 40 1/5 mile" sign around in Hovland that hasn't been replaced with the standard yellow sign alerting drivers of the speed change.

Additionally, we can't ignore the fact that indigenous-based tourism is a huge part of the economy in this area. People are traveling here wanting to learn more about the Grand Portage Band and other nearby Anishinaabe communities. The signs will not be hurting anyone.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
AASHTO attributes 28.5% of highway inventory shrink to bad road fan social media posts.

triplemultiplex

They've done some similar renamings/supplementary namings near where I grew up as well. Not a bad idea, it's just a challenge to pronounce most of them.  Back in the day, they would tend to Anglicize native words to make them a touch easier to pronounce. These newer ones, though, seems like everything's spelled phonetically. Which should make it easier, in theory, but in practice, you see that on a road sign and it's like, "Say what?"

There's been a reasonable push to rename a bunch of features Up North that used to be "Squaw Lake" or creek or whatever.  Being a derogatory French word for native women, it's a good idea to come up with better names for things.  An example near my home town, a Squaw Creek became Aabajijiwang Creek. And that's quite the tongue-twister for an Anglophone.
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TheHighwayMan3561

From local Grand Marais radio station WTIP, a photo of the new sign at the Devil Track River on the east side of Grand Marais.

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The Ghostbuster

Does anyone know what the very long word on the top of the sign means? My guess is it is the name of a Native American who is long dead.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2024, 07:02:45 PMDoes anyone know what the very long word on the top of the sign means? My guess is it is the name of a Native American who is long dead.

From the news articles I read, it means "spirits moving along the ice" or similar.
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Molandfreak

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2024, 07:02:45 PMDoes anyone know what the very long word on the top of the sign means? My guess is it is the name of a Native American who is long dead.
Since Anishinaabemowin is an agglutinative language, the name is easier to digest when broken up into its components:
Manidoo=Spirit
Bim=Travel
Aadagaako=Going across ice
Winii=A suffix meaning also or too.
Ziibi=River, which is the same root word that the ending for "Mississippi," or "Gichi-Ziibi" comes from.

Putting it all together reveals the name means "the river where spirits accompany you across the ice."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
AASHTO attributes 28.5% of highway inventory shrink to bad road fan social media posts.

froggie

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna158645

18 inches of rain in 3 weeks (~70% of the annual average).  That's CSAH 9 on the bridge just upstream.  Downstream bridges will probably be impacted if the dam fails.  And adding that water will not help things in Mankato (a number of local streets closed) or St Peter (MN 22 and MN 99 bridges both closed already).

triplemultiplex

Things are getting pretty floody here in the upper Mississippi watershed.  Pretty much every tributary above Missouri has some kind of flood warning or watch.
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flan

I was driving around southwestern Minnesota yesterday, the flooding was pretty bad in spots. All three bridges across the Des Moines River in Jackson were underwater, so there's a twenty mile detour to get from the north end of town to the south end.

The Brown CSAH 8/Renville CSAH 3 bridge over the Minnesota River was also underwater.



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