Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Probably because it is unnecessary. The Korean War Veterans Memorial Highway is just fine as DE 1.
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Pure speculation on my part, but is it possible this is another VA 895 situation where something with the design/construction funding prevented interstate status due to being a toll road?
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be, but DelDOT ( along with 49 other states excluding Alaska) are content without adding every freeway in their border to interstate standard.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 11, 2024, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Pure speculation on my part, but is it possible this is another VA 895 situation where something with the design/construction funding prevented interstate status due to being a toll road?
The corridor was always thought of as an extension of the original beach-bound segment of SR 1 and as a relief route to US 13. I don't think interstate status was ever seriously considered because no one ever really thinks of it as a spur off I-95. I doubt the conversation ever got far enough for the tolling problem to come up, if the conversation ever happened at all.
The corridor's fine with a single number as is in my opinion, DelDOT's bad enough as it is with splitting single corridors into multiple route designations.
I-87, if you can get MD and VA on board (spoiler alert: you probably can't).
Should've been the real I-99 rather than the one in central PA. Or perhaps I-97 before that number was wasted in Annapolis. Although I heard there was once a proposal to make it into I-101 to mirror US 101 on the opposite end of the country.
Delaware was conceptually interested in an interstate corridor down DE 1 and US 113 in 2006.
See the last page here - https://web.archive.org/web/20201016222922/http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/I-99_Final_Report_-_VDOT_website.pdf
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be,
NC-540, NC-147, US-74 Bypass, all toll roads in North Carolina, say otherwise. North Carolina isn't adding interstates to "every freeway".
Quote from: vdeane on January 11, 2024, 12:56:32 PM
I-87, if you can get MD and VA on board (spoiler alert: you probably can't).
Well, if you're going to do that, you might as well continue the I-87 designation north along I-95 and the New Jersey Turnpike to New York City and make I-87 a continuous route from North Carolina to the Canadian Border.
IIRC, this is one of only two freeways to be signed entirely in metric (with I-19 in AZ being the other). In any case, I don't see DE 1 ever becoming an Interstate, because as it's been said a million times, not every limited-access highway needs to be one.
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 11, 2024, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 11, 2024, 12:56:32 PM
I-87, if you can get MD and VA on board (spoiler alert: you probably can't).
Well, if you're going to do that, you might as well continue the I-87 designation north along I-95 and the New Jersey Turnpike to New York City and make I-87 a continuous route from North Carolina to the Canadian Border.
*along I-95, I-295, NJ 700, I-95, and take over I-278
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2024, 10:05:35 PM
IIRC, this is one of only two freeways to be signed entirely in metric (with I-19 in AZ being the other). In any case, I don't see DE 1 ever becoming an Interstate, because as it's been said a million times, not every limited-access highway needs to be one.
Only the exit numbers are km-based on DE 1. The distances are all signed in miles. Actually, it's not even
all the exit numbers; the newer ones south of Dover measure out the distance in miles from the southern-most km-based number. It's a mess.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 11, 2024, 01:02:35 PM
Should've been the real I-99 rather than the one in central PA. Or perhaps I-97 before that number was wasted in Annapolis. Although I heard there was once a proposal to make it into I-101 to mirror US 101 on the opposite end of the country.
IIRC (native Delawarean here) the current I-97 and I-99 were designated as such when DE 1 was still being built (most of which occurred in the 1990s). The only part of DE 1 that is older than that is the Sussex county portion (~ 20 miles) between about Milford and Lewes.
But if this proposed I-99 is supposed to follow US 13 (more or less), the part of DE 1 south of Dover is irrelevant to this discussion.
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 11, 2024, 02:09:40 PM
Delaware was conceptually interested in an interstate corridor down DE 1 and US 113 in 2006.
See the last page here - https://web.archive.org/web/20201016222922/http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/I-99_Final_Report_-_VDOT_website.pdf
Quite an interesting interstate proposal, although they make out of the way jogs to include both Salisbury MD and Ocean City MD in one place, and a bit of a bow in Norfolk. Could help in cases of hurricanes, etc but would be expensive for both land cost and building, especially in low lands. Will stay in the what if book.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on January 13, 2024, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 11, 2024, 02:09:40 PM
Delaware was conceptually interested in an interstate corridor down DE 1 and US 113 in 2006.
See the last page here - https://web.archive.org/web/20201016222922/http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/I-99_Final_Report_-_VDOT_website.pdf
Quite an interesting interstate proposal, although they make out of the way jogs to include both Salisbury MD and Ocean City MD in one place, and a bit of a bow in Norfolk. Could help in cases of hurricanes, etc but would be expensive for both land cost and building, especially in low lands. Will stay in the what if book.
If such a proposal ever did take off (highly unlikely given this political / funding environment), "I-99" would follow US-17, I-64, and US-13 through Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, and Norfolk.
The bow routing is following the now dead Southeastern Parkway proposal, which would've been a vital freeway connecting Chesapeake and Virginia Beach. Unfortunately, the routing had too many environmental issues and Chesapeake has since decided to develop homes over its once preserved routing. The end result is now overcrowded, dangerous 2 lane roads connecting the two cities and traffic signal infested arterials in Virginia Beach. Both cities suffer connectivity issues due to poor planning and that continues today, costing time and lives.
Virginia Beach is attempting to revive its portion of the freeway, but it will not connect to Chesapeake or VA-168 since Chesapeake has filled in all the previously preserved right of way.
Regardless of if the Southeastern Parkway was built or not, it does not make sense for an "I-99" routing... it's its own independent freeway.
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 11, 2024, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be,
NC-540, NC-147, US-74 Bypass, all toll roads in North Carolina, say otherwise. North Carolina isn't adding interstates to "every freeway".
No, but they've added ( and are adding) enough as is. US 70 east of Raleigh, US 64 east of Raleigh, all of US 220, the recent I-587 from US 264, I-295, I-74, US 421 south of Greensboro, I-26 extension, and what about US 117 later to become I-795.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 13, 2024, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 11, 2024, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be,
NC-540, NC-147, US-74 Bypass, all toll roads in North Carolina, say otherwise. North Carolina isn't adding interstates to "every freeway".
No, but they've added ( and are adding) enough as is. US 70 east of Raleigh, US 64 east of Raleigh, all of US 220, the recent I-587 from US 264, I-295, I-74, US 421 south of Greensboro, I-26 extension, and what about US 117 later to become I-795.
So does Texas. I don't see a problem with adding more interstates. Carry on.
Besides sprjus4 said it exactly. NC does not add every interstate on each of their freeway.
Quote from: Strider on January 13, 2024, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 13, 2024, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 11, 2024, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be,
NC-540, NC-147, US-74 Bypass, all toll roads in North Carolina, say otherwise. North Carolina isn't adding interstates to "every freeway".
No, but they've added ( and are adding) enough as is. US 70 east of Raleigh, US 64 east of Raleigh, all of US 220, the recent I-587 from US 264, I-295, I-74, US 421 south of Greensboro, I-26 extension, and what about US 117 later to become I-795.
So does Texas. I don't see a problem with adding more interstates. Carry on.
Besides sprjus4 said it exactly. NC does not add every interstate on each of their freeway.
In North Carolina, Texas, and elsewhere the push for new interstate designations rarely if ever comes from DOTs, who have to find the funds for upgrades. It comes from business interests who think their city can better attract new investments if the city is on an interstate route. Whether that's true or not is debatable at best, but once one city goes for an interstate others are sure to follow. Members of Congress are happy to create these new interstate corridors through federal legislation, but without providing any new funding to support them.
Regardless of whether or not DE 1 becomes an Interstate (hint: it won't), DE 1's exits should be converted from kilometer-based to mile-based. I understand why Interstate 19 has kilometer-based exit numbers, but DE 1 should never have had them, especially the exits south of DE 9.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on January 13, 2024, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 11, 2024, 02:09:40 PM
Delaware was conceptually interested in an interstate corridor down DE 1 and US 113 in 2006.
See the last page here - https://web.archive.org/web/20201016222922/http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/I-99_Final_Report_-_VDOT_website.pdf
Quite an interesting interstate proposal, although they make out of the way jogs to include both Salisbury MD and Ocean City MD in one place, and a bit of a bow in Norfolk. Could help in cases of hurricanes, etc but would be expensive for both land cost and building, especially in low lands. Will stay in the what if book.
I don't see any maps in that link - where are you looking?
Quote from: Alps on January 13, 2024, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on January 13, 2024, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 11, 2024, 02:09:40 PM
Delaware was conceptually interested in an interstate corridor down DE 1 and US 113 in 2006.
See the last page here - https://web.archive.org/web/20201016222922/http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/I-99_Final_Report_-_VDOT_website.pdf
Quite an interesting interstate proposal, although they make out of the way jogs to include both Salisbury MD and Ocean City MD in one place, and a bit of a bow in Norfolk. Could help in cases of hurricanes, etc but would be expensive for both land cost and building, especially in low lands. Will stay in the what if book.
I don't see any maps in that link - where are you looking?
The maps are on pdf pgs 21 and 22
Quote from: Strider on January 13, 2024, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 13, 2024, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 11, 2024, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be,
NC-540, NC-147, US-74 Bypass, all toll roads in North Carolina, say otherwise. North Carolina isn't adding interstates to "every freeway".
No, but they've added ( and are adding) enough as is. US 70 east of Raleigh, US 64 east of Raleigh, all of US 220, the recent I-587 from US 264, I-295, I-74, US 421 south of Greensboro, I-26 extension, and what about US 117 later to become I-795.
So does Texas. I don't see a problem with adding more interstates. Carry on.
Besides sprjus4 said it exactly. NC does not add every interstate on each of their freeway.
Figure of speech, however NC to TX isn't that fair a comparison.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 14, 2024, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 13, 2024, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 13, 2024, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 11, 2024, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on January 11, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Apologies if this has been posted ad nauseum (though I couldn't find a thread in the search), but is there a reason Delaware has never tried to upgrade Route 1 to Interstate status into Dover? Other than Tybouts Corner, it is pretty much at Interstate standard from I-95 all the way to the Puncheon Run Connector.
Well if it were NC, it would be,
NC-540, NC-147, US-74 Bypass, all toll roads in North Carolina, say otherwise. North Carolina isn't adding interstates to "every freeway".
No, but they've added ( and are adding) enough as is. US 70 east of Raleigh, US 64 east of Raleigh, all of US 220, the recent I-587 from US 264, I-295, I-74, US 421 south of Greensboro, I-26 extension, and what about US 117 later to become I-795.
So does Texas. I don't see a problem with adding more interstates. Carry on.
Besides sprjus4 said it exactly. NC does not add every interstate on each of their freeway.
Figure of speech, however NC to TX isn't that fair a comparison.
Both have the same goals. That's a comparison. You're just hating at this point.
Whatever. This thread is about Delaware Route 1 not being an interstate. There are other threads about NC interstates.
Bottom line is DE thinks different and it's their personal preference not to incorporate this particular freeway into the interstate system like some states do, or as the OP was just curious about this route in particular. I'm incline to agree with some, that every freeway don't need to be interstate, but that don't make me hate a state that wants more interstates either.
Quote from: vdeane on January 11, 2024, 12:56:32 PM
I-87, if you can get MD and VA on board (spoiler alert: you probably can't).
We're definitely not getting I-87.
Quote from: epzik8 on January 15, 2024, 07:05:34 AM
Quote from: vdeane on January 11, 2024, 12:56:32 PM
I-87, if you can get MD and VA on board (spoiler alert: you probably can't).
We're definitely not getting I-87.
Too bad nobody told AASHTO that when NC originally requested I-89. Perhaps then they would have done the sensible thing and forced NCDOT to accept an even 2di instead of assigning I-87 instead.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 14, 2024, 12:37:50 PM
Whatever. This thread is about Delaware Route 1 not being an interstate. There are other threads about NC interstates.
Bottom line is DE thinks different and it's their personal preference not to incorporate this particular freeway into the interstate system like some states do, or as the OP was just curious about this route in particular. I'm incline to agree with some, that every freeway don't need to be interstate, but that don't make me hate a state that wants more interstates either.
Being from Delaware originally, I am perfectly happy with it not being an interstate.
But if that were to happen "today", with what has been built "today", it would seem to me a odd spur of I-95 would be more appropriate.
I-99 would be way off in the future, if ever, probably depending on what MD and VA do.
Regardless of whether DE-1 ever becomes and interstate, I think it would make total sense to extend US-301 north from its present terminus (where it merges into DE-1 just south of the bridge over the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal) to I-95, or to another US route nearby. It seems counterintuitive for US-301 to abruptly end at a state route where there are plenty of US and interstate routes nearby for it to end at.
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 15, 2024, 11:42:24 PM
Regardless of whether DE-1 ever becomes and interstate, I think it would make total sense to extend US-301 north from its present terminus (where it merges into DE-1 just south of the bridge over the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal) to I-95, or to another US route nearby. It seems counterintuitive for US-301 to abruptly end at a state route where there are plenty of US and interstate routes nearby for it to end at.
US 301 in Delaware has had about 4 or 5 different termini over the last 60 years. (and going even further back, before it crossed the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, it used to go due north from Bowie MD to Baltimore, and ended at parent US 1 there).
I had a whole post written up listing many of these Delaware termini, but it got lost. The common thread among most of these different termini is that they ended at US 13 at one place or another. However, I believe the first such termini was at I-295 which included a concurrency along US 13, but the concurrency was discontinued (around 1970?).
I thought though, that at some point (maybe very early in this century), that US 301 was supposed to be extended in a northerly direction from Middletown, to an interchange with I-95 between the present Exit 1 (DE 896) and Exit 3 (DE 273) --- and be Exit 2. I guess that fell by the wayside??
WRT to US 301's current terminus (which I have not yet seen as I don't get up that way much now), I always thought US 13 would be rerouted onto DE 1 at some point, as the old bridge at St. Georges which US 13 used (and continues to use?) is very old. If that ever happens, US 301 would (once again) end at US 13.
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 15, 2024, 11:42:24 PM
Regardless of whether DE-1 ever becomes and interstate, I think it would make total sense to extend US-301 north from its present terminus (where it merges into DE-1 just south of the bridge over the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal) to I-95, or to another US route nearby. It seems counterintuitive for US-301 to abruptly end at a state route where there are plenty of US and interstate routes nearby for it to end at.
US 113 is another. It for many years ended at its parent at both ends, but recently got truncated to DE 1 at Milford to avoid a two route concurrency between Milford and Dover, in which for some reason AASHTO approved. So now it also, like US 301, ends at DE 1 shy of US 13.
QuoteWRT to US 301's current terminus (which I have not yet seen as I don't get up that way much now), I always thought US 13 would be rerouted onto DE 1 at some point, as the old bridge at St. Georges which US 13 used (and continues to use?) is very old. If that ever happens, US 301 would (once again) end at US 13.
I have heard it was planned at one point, but I think local opposition kept US 13 on the old bridge (at least for now). Though I do not remember seeing documentation stating that plans were to demolish the old bridge.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 16, 2024, 06:42:07 AM
QuoteWRT to US 301's current terminus (which I have not yet seen as I don't get up that way much now), I always thought US 13 would be rerouted onto DE 1 at some point, as the old bridge at St. Georges which US 13 used (and continues to use?) is very old. If that ever happens, US 301 would (once again) end at US 13.
I have heard it was planned at one point, but I think local opposition kept US 13 on the old bridge (at least for now). Though I do not remember seeing documentation stating that plans were to demolish the old bridge.
The St. Georges Bridge is currently closed for another round of maintenance work too, so odds are it'll continue to serve US 13 for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Alex4897 on January 16, 2024, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 16, 2024, 06:42:07 AM
QuoteWRT to US 301's current terminus (which I have not yet seen as I don't get up that way much now), I always thought US 13 would be rerouted onto DE 1 at some point, as the old bridge at St. Georges which US 13 used (and continues to use?) is very old. If that ever happens, US 301 would (once again) end at US 13.
I have heard it was planned at one point, but I think local opposition kept US 13 on the old bridge (at least for now). Though I do not remember seeing documentation stating that plans were to demolish the old bridge.
The St. Georges Bridge is currently closed for another round of maintenance work too, so odds are it'll continue to serve US 13 for the foreseeable future.
So how do they route US 13 in the meantime? (not knowing the timeline of this work)
Having been to the town of St. Georges many years ago, IIRC I remember the bridge going literally over part of the town, so I hope they keep that bridge maintained if it will continue to be used.
Noting the closure: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2810731;topicseen#msg2810731
I believe US 13 traffic is just routed onto DE 1 in the area.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 13, 2024, 07:09:40 PM
Regardless of whether or not DE 1 becomes an Interstate (hint: it won't), DE 1's exits should be converted from kilometer-based to mile-based. I understand why Interstate 19 has kilometer-based exit numbers, but DE 1 should never have had them, especially the exits south of DE 9.
The exits south of DE 9 are based on miles that are offset from the kilometer-based exits on the toll road, For example, the DE 12 interchange in North Frederica is Exit 86 and is not at the 86 km marker along the road.
Quote from: Dough4872 on January 16, 2024, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 13, 2024, 07:09:40 PM
Regardless of whether or not DE 1 becomes an Interstate (hint: it won't), DE 1's exits should be converted from kilometer-based to mile-based. I understand why Interstate 19 has kilometer-based exit numbers, but DE 1 should never have had them, especially the exits south of DE 9.
The exits south of DE 9 are based on miles that are offset from the kilometer-based exits on the toll road, For example, the DE 12 interchange in North Frederica is Exit 86 and is not at the 86 km marker along the road.
The kilometer-based exits on the toll section of DE-1 are a relic of when the Clinton Administration was trying to push the US toward metrification in the 1990s. I-19 was originally signed with mile-based exits and mileposts, but changed to kilometer-based in the 1980s. In I-19's case that switch to metric units was due to its proximity to Mexico. There are also some highways in northern New England near the Canadian border that have dual mile/kilometer signage.
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 15, 2024, 11:42:24 PM
Regardless of whether DE-1 ever becomes and interstate, I think it would make total sense to extend US-301 north from its present terminus (where it merges into DE-1 just south of the bridge over the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal) to I-95, or to another US route nearby. It seems counterintuitive for US-301 to abruptly end at a state route where there are plenty of US and interstate routes nearby for it to end at.
I wouldn't say it's an abrupt end - it ends at an interchange with a major highway. Going any further gives it a meaningless overlap.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 16, 2024, 06:42:07 AM
QuoteWRT to US 301's current terminus (which I have not yet seen as I don't get up that way much now), I always thought US 13 would be rerouted onto DE 1 at some point, as the old bridge at St. Georges which US 13 used (and continues to use?) is very old. If that ever happens, US 301 would (once again) end at US 13.
I have heard it was planned at one point, but I think local opposition kept US 13 on the old bridge (at least for now). Though I do not remember seeing documentation stating that plans were to demolish the old bridge.
Yep - the new DE 1 bridge was to replace the US 13 bridge, not supplement it. Locals demanded the bridge stay. Now Delaware spends a lot of money on maintaining a bridge that has long exceeded its expected lifespan. The current appreciation for biking allows it to be a bike route across the canal, although that's because it can be used as a bike route, not that it had to be used.
DE 1 doesn't need to be an interstate.
It has literally the highest most prominent state route number. It doesn't need further emphasis.
Now, if you wanna talk about a US 13 freeway beginning at DE 1 and running down the Delmarva to Virginia Beach, then I would say there should be in interstate designation.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 17, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
DE 1 doesn't need to be an interstate.
It has literally the highest state route number. It doesn't need further emphasis.
Now, if you wanna talk about a US 13 freeway beginning at DE 1 and running down the Delmarva to Virginia Beach, then I would say there should be in interstate designation.
DE-896 might disagree with the boldfaced.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2024, 11:19:10 AM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 17, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
DE 1 doesn't need to be an interstate.
It has literally the highest state route number. It doesn't need further emphasis.
Now, if you wanna talk about a US 13 freeway beginning at DE 1 and running down the Delmarva to Virginia Beach, then I would say there should be in interstate designation.
DE-896 might disagree with the boldfaced.
highest as in #1 is higher than #2 in sports
Quote from: Alps on January 17, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2024, 11:19:10 AM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 17, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
DE 1 doesn't need to be an interstate.
It has literally the highest state route number. It doesn't need further emphasis.
Now, if you wanna talk about a US 13 freeway beginning at DE 1 and running down the Delmarva to Virginia Beach, then I would say there should be in interstate designation.
DE-896 might disagree with the boldfaced.
highest as in #1 is higher than #2 in sports
So you've just "proven" that DE 1 is a "better" number than any (likely) 3-digit Interstate could be.
Quote from: GaryV on January 18, 2024, 07:45:03 AM
So you've just "proven" that DE 1 is a "better" number than any (likely) 3-digit Interstate could be.
Only if that also means the #1 little league baseball team in northwestern Oklahoma is better than the #4 NBA team east of the Mississippi.
Quote from: Alps on January 17, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2024, 11:19:10 AM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 17, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
DE 1 doesn't need to be an interstate.
It has literally the highest state route number. It doesn't need further emphasis.
Now, if you wanna talk about a US 13 freeway beginning at DE 1 and running down the Delmarva to Virginia Beach, then I would say there should be in interstate designation.
DE-896 might disagree with the boldfaced.
highest as in #1 is higher than #2 in sports
I've never viewed road numbers in that way. Maybe that's just me, or maybe it's a function of living on the East Coast where I-95 is more or less the "main street," as it were.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 17, 2024, 10:29:26 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 15, 2024, 11:42:24 PM
Regardless of whether DE-1 ever becomes and interstate, I think it would make total sense to extend US-301 north from its present terminus (where it merges into DE-1 just south of the bridge over the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal) to I-95, or to another US route nearby. It seems counterintuitive for US-301 to abruptly end at a state route where there are plenty of US and interstate routes nearby for it to end at.
I wouldn't say it's an abrupt end - it ends at an interchange with a major highway. Going any further gives it a meaningless overlap.
Taking this a little further - there may not be a direct connection, but US 13 is directly adjacent to DE 1 (and then merges in a few miles north) at the northern terminus of US 301. Sure it's technically ending at a state route and not the US route, but I'd still consider this as terminating along the US 13 corridor (and this stretch of DE 1 was built as the bypass of US 13, after all).
I think Exit 156 should be modified so that US 13 has to exit instead of DE 1 exiting to continue onward. Could it be done without too many right-of-way acquisitions?
All I see on DelDOT's website right now at Exit 156 is fixing the SB merge (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202311001).
I remember there being plans to refurbish that interchange in the long-term, but I could not find information in the DE thread via a quick forum search. (Alex4897, do you remember this?)
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 18, 2024, 01:53:24 PM
All I see on DelDOT's website right now at Exit 156 is fixing the SB merge (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202311001).
I remember there being plans to refurbish that interchange in the long-term, but I could not find information in the DE thread via a quick forum search. (Alex4897, do you remember this?)
Yeah we talked about this here, (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2756348#msg2756348) and here's the project page. (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202111001)
(https://i.imgur.com/2vKxm6B.png)
The long-term refurb isn't much of an overhaul for SR 1 traffic, the project's mostly aimed at cleaning up problems along US 13.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 18, 2024, 01:43:44 PM
I think Exit 156 should be modified so that US 13 has to exit instead of DE 1 exiting to continue onward. Could it be done without too many right-of-way acquisitions?
Stating the obvious, that DE 1 was built after US 13 and also in stages. Also IIRC, the part from Exit 156 north opened earlier than anything south of there (wrt new DE 1 construction), so maybe they were limited in what they could do? Different construction contracts or something? (I'm not a civil engineer, not my area of expertise)
I remember when it was being built, and not knowing any better, that maybe DE 1 would continue straight across US 13 and therefore (what is now) Exit 156 would have been like any other exit.
I remember seeing the plans for what would become DE 1 south of Tybouts Corner in the Newark Free Library, when I was in high school. They didn't think at the time that there was any need to change that interchange, or upgrade US 13 north of there, because US 13 had enough "relief" up to that point.
I get a kick out of the traffic reporters on WDEL referring to Exit 156 as "the jughandle".