Out-of-state control cities in non-neighboring states

Started by KCRoadFan, December 01, 2021, 08:49:31 AM

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roadman65

Quote from: US 89 on December 01, 2021, 07:38:36 PM
Mobile, AL appears to be a control on I-10 in parts of eastern Louisiana:

https://goo.gl/maps/qxjyLJM1bY9i6A8S7

Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 01, 2021, 03:02:15 PM
A point of clarification: even if two states do border otherwise, they are treated as non-neighboring for the purposes of this thread if the route in question passes through other states en route to the control city (as is the case with the signs for Louisville on I-64 in Illinois, because you would be going through Indiana).

In that case, then any instance of Las Vegas in Utah. That's a lot of I-15 south of SLC and the westernmost parts of I-70, as you're going through Arizona on I-15 to get there.

The reverse also qualifies, with Salt Lake City as the northbound control from Vegas.

Ugh, that's ole Miss. La uses Bay St. Louis as LaDOTD loves using regional cities, not long distance except in Shreveport where they do use Dallas over Marshall, TX.
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Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 09:40:55 AM
On the flipside, MoDOT doesn't mention Indianapolis at all, so that's out, but Louisville on I-64 EB in IL makes it.

Not entirely correct regarding Indianapolis not showing up in Missour.i  I don't think it ever shows up on the mainline until in Illinois though.

EDIT:  There's also at least one use of Des Moines in Indiana

EDIT2
Quote from: ilpt4uI think Toledo still exists on a sign for I-80 at the I-57 interchange

Unless there's a new sign using Toledo, I'm not finding it Streetview.  I do see one use of Des Moines at that interchange.

EDIT3:  Also at least one appearance of Chicago in Ohio.

Quote from: Flint1979I can't remember since it's been so long ago but isn't Rolla a control city west of St. Louis? If so I'm wondering why Illinois wouldn't use it too.

Rolla does start showing up west of I-270, but it's more of a secondary control city.  I thought there were a few more three line distance signs with Tulsa on I-44, but checking in Streetview I am seeing more appearances of Joplin as the bottom line than Tulsa.

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Quote from: Molandfreak on December 01, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 01, 2021, 04:57:13 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 01, 2021, 10:22:40 AM
Michigan uses Duluth on US-41 at the northern end of US-141:
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.5840272,-88.4706907,3a,75y,341.74h,85.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slzlU_wSPUyYOhuEDh7_QmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Note that both control cities on that sign are NOT on US-141!

Those control cities are for M-28, which swaps between US 41 and US 141 here.
And if you want to get really persnickety, Michigan technically borders Minnesota through Lake Superior, but obviously there's no road connection.

Edit: I checked a random point on I-95 in Rhode Island expecting to see New York as a control city, but nope... Westerly? Who knows where Westerly is? Clear example of in-state bias...

Oh, but there's plenty of them on I-95, including coming from I-195.  There used to be one on RI 37 East using NYC as a control for I-295.  It's since been replaced with TO I-95.

EDIT: There is one on the ramp
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wanderer2575

For the most part, Chicago is the control city for westbound I-94 west of Detroit.  (The curious exception is that most non-system interchanges between Marshall and Ann Arbor use Marshall, Jackson, and Ann Arbor as control cities.)

roadman65

Quote from: Revive 755 on December 01, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 09:40:55 AM
On the flipside, MoDOT doesn't mention Indianapolis at all, so that's out, but Louisville on I-64 EB in IL makes it.

Not entirely correct regarding Indianapolis not showing up in Missour.i  I don't think it ever shows up on the mainline until in Illinois though.

EDIT:  There's also at least one use of Des Moines in Indiana

EDIT2
Quote from: ilpt4uI think Toledo still exists on a sign for I-80 at the I-57 interchange

Unless there's a new sign using Toledo, I'm not finding it Streetview.  I do see one use of Des Moines at that interchange.

EDIT3:  Also at least one appearance of Chicago in Ohio.

Quote from: Flint1979I can't remember since it's been so long ago but isn't Rolla a control city west of St. Louis? If so I'm wondering why Illinois wouldn't use it too.

Rolla does start showing up west of I-270, but it's more of a secondary control city.  I thought there were a few more three line distance signs with Tulsa on I-44, but checking in Streetview I am seeing more appearances of Joplin as the bottom line than Tulsa.

https://goo.gl/maps/3bpsRWFaNXnsC1BB8
No I57 uses States like ISTA. They used to have Toledo and Des Moines in the eighties I know.
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#30
US-50 east in Sacramento has Ocean City, MD but this is one of a rare  case in California where they have a control city that is not in a neighboring state.
Also the second example in a Wikipedia picture I-40 east in Barstow, CA shows the Wilmington, NC control city.


ztonyg

I-35 in Kansas uses Des Moines as a control city once you are in the Kansas City metro area.

Flint1979

Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 01, 2021, 11:09:05 PM
For the most part, Chicago is the control city for westbound I-94 west of Detroit.  (The curious exception is that most non-system interchanges between Marshall and Ann Arbor use Marshall, Jackson, and Ann Arbor as control cities.)
Illinois has a border with Michigan although you can't use a road to get between the two they do actually border each other.

epzik8

Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 01, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Further down I-95, in Petersburg, VA at the junction with I-85, you have the somewhat famous signs for Miami and Atlanta (not sure if they're still there or not).
As of July 2015, per Street View, the signs mentioning Miami and Atlanta had been taken down and replaced with Clearview signs which only mention Rocky Mount and Durham, North Carolina.

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July 2015: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2253983,-77.3938147,3a,75y,141.81h,102.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spP9iZ5sPZJEVkEKMJw59dg!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
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Quote from: epzik8 on December 02, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 01, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Further down I-95, in Petersburg, VA at the junction with I-85, you have the somewhat famous signs for Miami and Atlanta (not sure if they're still there or not).
As of July 2015, per Street View, the signs mentioning Miami and Atlanta had been taken down and replaced with Clearview signs which only mention Rocky Mount and Durham, North Carolina.

August 2014: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2253828,-77.3938041,3a,75y,141.81h,102.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZFkNecMo76TMSHG4Yqg56g!2e0!5s20140801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
July 2015: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2253983,-77.3938147,3a,75y,141.81h,102.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spP9iZ5sPZJEVkEKMJw59dg!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Miami is still there on at least one sign, on I-95 SB just past I-85, mentioned upthread.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PvinUmf6zy7uGQiG7

Atlanta is also still mentioned in VA on 2 signs, one north of Richmond in Hanover County and one in Colonial Heights.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/RNbUzxKbrbvWUmpu6

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EfDYSSJJkJcGhCky8
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Quote from: ztonyg on December 02, 2021, 08:07:09 AM
I-35 in Kansas uses Des Moines as a control city once you are in the Kansas City metro area.

There's also a sign for Des Moines along westbound I-90 at the interchange with I-80/94 in northwest Indiana:
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ran4sh

I'm surprised that they didn't arrange the shields vertically on that sign like they normally do in Indiana.
Control cities CAN be off the route! Control cities make NO sense if signs end before the city is reached!

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ilpt4u

Quote from: ran4sh on December 02, 2021, 08:27:24 PM
I'm surprised that they didn't arrange the shields vertically on that sign like they normally do in Indiana.
That is on the Toll Road, which is not InDOT-maintained

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Quote from: roadman65 on December 01, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/3bpsRWFaNXnsC1BB8
No I57 uses States like ISTA. They used to have Toledo and Des Moines in the eighties I know.

Wasn't clear enough in my post - was referring to use of Des Moines on I-80/

EDIT:  And since we can count control cities where the highway passes through a second state before entering a third state that otherwise borders the first state, Paducah, KY for the US 60 - US 62 - MO 77 exit on I-57 in Missouri

roadman65

New York on I-95 in MD I can clearly say.  Then I am sure Boston is used in ME on I-95, but do not know for sure, but being the 16 miles in NH has no cities of big size with Boston being so close to Southern ME, I would be sure some signs do use ole Boston.
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ran4sh

The Maryland usage of New York for I-95 was in the OP
Control cities CAN be off the route! Control cities make NO sense if signs end before the city is reached!

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Flint1979

Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 03, 2021, 04:51:16 PM
Memphis is used for I-57 south in the Chicago area.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6285195,-87.6931274,3a,75y,161.25h,94.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4jcQatc9fpm_haEwJXBfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

IMO it should be Champaign / Urbana.
I think that Memphis is the control city to let people know that it's an alternate route to I-55 but Champaign would probably work. I'd probably skip Urbana though as Champaign is twice the size of Urbana.

The Nature Boy

Quote from: roadman65 on December 03, 2021, 11:09:21 PM
New York on I-95 in MD I can clearly say.  Then I am sure Boston is used in ME on I-95, but do not know for sure, but being the 16 miles in NH has no cities of big size with Boston being so close to Southern ME, I would be sure some signs do use ole Boston.

Lewiston, Maine is where you start seeing Boston signed.

KCRoadFan

What I would like to know is this: why does MD see fit to snub Philly in favor of New York when it comes to signing I-95 north of Baltimore?

Rothman

Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 05, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
What I would like to know is this: why does MD see fit to snub Philly in favor of New York when it comes to signing I-95 north of Baltimore?
Because more people are headed to NYC.
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jaehak

Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 05, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
What I would like to know is this: why does MD see fit to snub Philly in favor of New York when it comes to signing I-95 north of Baltimore?

Probably signing for the Delaware Bridge route that bypasses Philly. Also pretty sure that VA signs New York at the Springfield interchange (or at least used to) and never signed Philly, so NY is a natural progression.

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There was a sign somewhere south of Baltimore on I-95 NB that said "TUNNELS TO PHILA-NY" or something to that effect, so at least Philadelphia was mentioned there
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Memphis, Tennessee is a control city on Interstate 57 in Illinois, even at its north end in Chicago.



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