Michigan considering tolling I-94, I-96, I-75 and/or US-127

[ChimpOnTheWheel]

https://www.wxyz.com/getting-around-metro-detroit/these-are-the-highways-mdot-wants-to-study-to-become-possible-toll-roads

Source is above.

Let's see what happens, I guess.

[vdeane]

Ugh.  We need fewer toll roads, not more.

Hope they at least join E-ZPass if they do end up tolling things.

[Flint1979]

Wonderful I'll figure out how to shunpike whichever highway they choose. Btw, interstates aren't suppose to be toll roads, the ones that currently are were grandfathered in, these highways can't be grandfathered in now.

[kphoger]

Btw, interstates aren't suppose to be toll roads, the ones that currently are were grandfathered in,

Is that true of I-355 in Illinois?

[ilpt4u]

Btw, interstates aren't suppose to be toll roads, the ones that currently are were grandfathered in,

Is that true of I-355 in Illinois?

And Future Interstate 490 in Illinois, that is under construction and will open as an ISTHA Toll Road in a few years?

[TheHighwayMan3561]

The problem is they have to create an airtight restriction so they don't have crap like PTC tolls going to SEPTA and other Philly-area non-road stuff.

[ilpt4u]

The problem is they have to create an airtight restriction so they don't have crap like PTC tolls going to SEPTA and other Philly-area non-road stuff.

I have never researched where the revenue from the Minnesota HOT Lanes goes...does MNDOT have any restrictions on where that revenue goes?

[TheHighwayMan3561]

The problem is they have to create an airtight restriction so they don't have crap like PTC tolls going to SEPTA and other Philly-area non-road stuff.

I have never researched where the revenue from the Minnesota HOT Lanes goes...does MNDOT have any restrictions on where that revenue goes?

State law restricts it to usage on the specific corridor it was collected; so for example, money collected on I-35W must be used on I-35W; it can't be used on the MnPass sections of 394 or 35E. But the difference is MnPass's mission is to ease congestion, not generate revenue.

[MrManlet]

This is not going to fly. If I-94 gets tolled, everybody is just going to shunpike US-12.

[hotdogPi]

This is not going to fly. If I-94 gets tolled, everybody is just going to shunpike US-12.

I-90 in Massachusetts has US 20 paralleling it. I-87 in New York has US 9W. I-95 in Maine has US 1 for part of the route. People will still take the toll road.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

It's more than an hour difference between New Buffalo and Detroit between the two routes, though US 12 is slightly shorter in mileage.

[Max Rockatansky]

If there is concerns about deterring tourism why not just toll commercial traffic? 

[Truvelo]

If a parallel US highway is to be a viable shunpike it needs to be divided with grade separated junctions. If it's a two lane road passing through every town and city then the extra time and gas used just isn't worth it.

On one of my early visits to Chicago I tried using US 45 to avoid I-294 from O'Hare. I soon got sick and tired of stop/starting at traffic lights every half mile that I took the quickest route to 294 and reluctantly paid the tolls.

In the case of Michigan none of the routes being considered has a decent shunpike.

[SEWIGuy]

I know this is dependent on who you ask and how much flexibility you have travel-wise, but it would have to be upwards of $20 in tolls for me to take US-12 instead of I-94.  Maybe more.

Now if I had a nice afternoon with plenty of time to kill, I would do otherwise, but I think as long as the tolls are reasonably priced people would take them in a second.

[ChimpOnTheWheel]

I like how everyone's only bringing up I-94, makes me amused

I was surprised initially to see US-127 on the list of highways that they were considering tolling. Aren't federal highways supposed to not be tolled, unless they're concurrent with an interstate that's tolled? (E.g. I-90/US-51 through Rockford)

In any case, I hope that if they decide to toll these roads, the tolls are not so expensive. If the tolls are outrageous (and I'm talking more expensive than using I-90 from Lake Station to Toledo), then when I go to Ann Arbor to visit my family, I'll probably use I-90 to I-475/US-23 to get there.

[ilpt4u]

I like how everyone's only bringing up I-94, makes me amused

I was surprised initially to see US-127 on the list of highways that they were considering tolling. Aren't federal highways supposed to not be tolled, unless they're concurrent with an interstate that's tolled? (E.g. I-90/US-51 through Rockford)

In any case, I hope that if they decide to toll these roads, the tolls are not so expensive. If the tolls are outrageous (and I'm talking more expensive than using I-90 from Lake Station to Toledo), then when I go to Ann Arbor to visit my family, I'll probably use I-90 to I-475/US-23 to get there.

Isn't there a Toll US 301 in Delaware now, also? And that does not include an interstate multiplex

[Stephane Dumas]

In any case, I hope that if they decide to toll these roads, the tolls are not so expensive. If the tolls are outrageous (and I'm talking more expensive than using I-90 from Lake Station to Toledo), then when I go to Ann Arbor to visit my family, I'll probably use I-90 to I-475/US-23 to get there.

Shh, be quiet! Someone on MI DOT might read the forum and get the idea to toll I-475/US-23 as well.

[SectorZ]

I like how everyone's only bringing up I-94, makes me amused

I was surprised initially to see US-127 on the list of highways that they were considering tolling. Aren't federal highways supposed to not be tolled, unless they're concurrent with an interstate that's tolled? (E.g. I-90/US-51 through Rockford)

In any case, I hope that if they decide to toll these roads, the tolls are not so expensive. If the tolls are outrageous (and I'm talking more expensive than using I-90 from Lake Station to Toledo), then when I go to Ann Arbor to visit my family, I'll probably use I-90 to I-475/US-23 to get there.

Isn't there a Toll US 301 in Delaware now, also? And that does not include an interstate multiplex

It's supposed to be no toll highways on US routes, but for some reason that was done and with no explanation to be found why it was allowed.

[silverback1065]

Ugh.  We need fewer toll roads, not more.

Hope they at least join E-ZPass if they do end up tolling things.

I would say you're right, but funding is a mess at the moment in many states. in indiana tolling 65 and 70 is inevitable. it's being studied now.

[Jericho That]

Btw, interstates aren't suppose to be toll roads, the ones that currently are were grandfathered in,

Is that true of I-355 in Illinois?

And Future Interstate 490 in Illinois, that is under construction and will open as an ISTHA Toll Road in a few years?

There's no federal money being spent on I-490, nor was there any on I-355. If the road is up to interstate standards, the feds will consider integrating it into the interstate system.

[NWI_Irish96]

Ugh.  We need fewer toll roads, not more.

Hope they at least join E-ZPass if they do end up tolling things.

I would say you're right, but funding is a mess at the moment in many states. in indiana tolling 65 and 70 is inevitable. it's being studied now.

I propose a unique tolling model for I-65 and I-70. Two axle vehicles are 3 cents per mile at all times. Vehicles with more than two axles are 3 cents per mile from 6:30 pm to 6:30 am and 30 cents per mile from 6:30 am to 6:30 pm.

[ftballfan]

If at least some of the tolls go to upgrading deficient roads *cough*US-23*cough*, I'd be in, especially if it's E-ZPass compatible

[Henry]

I'm somewhat surprised that I-69 did not make the cut. This is a state that could use some badly-needed transportation money, given the poor quality of many roads in general.

[sprjus4]

I like how everyone's only bringing up I-94, makes me amused

I was surprised initially to see US-127 on the list of highways that they were considering tolling. Aren't federal highways supposed to not be tolled, unless they're concurrent with an interstate that's tolled? (E.g. I-90/US-51 through Rockford)

In any case, I hope that if they decide to toll these roads, the tolls are not so expensive. If the tolls are outrageous (and I'm talking more expensive than using I-90 from Lake Station to Toledo), then when I go to Ann Arbor to visit my family, I'll probably use I-90 to I-475/US-23 to get there.

Isn't there a Toll US 301 in Delaware now, also? And that does not include an interstate multiplex

A portion of US-17 was recently tolled in Chesapeake, VA to fund the construction of the new Veterans Bridge over the Elizabeth River.

[Flint1979]

If at least some of the tolls go to upgrading deficient roads *cough*US-23*cough*, I'd be in, especially if it's E-ZPass compatible

And I-94 between Ann Arbor and Benton Harbor.