My driver's ed teacher called MA 128 an interstate :pan:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 22, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
My driver's ed teacher called MA 128 an interstate :pan:
Maybe they'd just seen my avatar... :awesomeface:
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I've seen US 59 in Houston called I-59, and I-69 called US 69. :banghead:
Every road that ever-so-slightly resembles a freeway (divided, shoulders, etc.) is an interstate, even if it has driveways, intersections, etc.
Freeways in PA are called expressways, no matter what.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 22, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 22, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
My driver's ed teacher called MA 128 an interstate :pan:
Maybe they'd just seen my avatar... :awesomeface:
Or all the Interstate 95 shields on signs between Canton and Peabody and just conflated the numbers.
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Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 22, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Freeways in PA are called expressways, no matter what.
The opposite seems to happen in WV, where at-grade expressways are called freeways (here's an example from Corridor H (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1494082,-79.4367966,3a,43.3y,247.88h,84.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrN5VGSzYetydfaRX-ZGFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en)).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 22, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
My driver's ed teacher called MA 128 an interstate :pan:
watching forensic files last week the narrator said interstate 97, as a US 97 sign was on screen. he also called it a state highway
Quote from: texaskdog on June 22, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
the narrator said interstate 97 ... a state highway
Isn't it?
A lot of people in my area believe that the municipality is responsible for the traffic light. Almost all traffic lights are on county or state roadways, and thus they have jurisdiction.
A surprising number of people believe that state roads are county roads. To use an example, even though NJ State Route 45 is properly signed at all signage points, many believe it's a county roadway.
Over 25 years ago in my younger days when I had time for this stuff, I went to our town council regarding a traffic light on CR 553 at NJ 55, which the state put in for traffic control of the on/off ramps for Rt. 55 North. The timing of a protected left turn light had been changed somehow to only cycle at a specific interval, rather than on-demand, especially during lower traffic times. Even though I stated they would need to talk to the state regarding the light, because the light appeared to physically control CR 553, the council insisted they would need to talk to the county. Ultimately the county wrote back stating it's not their light, and they would need to contact the state. Nothing was ever done about it.
Off the record, after the meeting, one of the council members told me they routinely go thru the red light when they go to work at 5am or so, and knew exactly what I was talking about. Still didn't do the situation any good though.
The "every 1 in 5 miles" urban legend about interstates. Since a lot of interstates just by coincidence have relatively straight, flat sections, a lot of people probably don't think to question it.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 22, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Freeways in PA are called expressways, no matter what.
This is less a mistake and more a regional difference in terminology.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on June 22, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 22, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Freeways in PA are called expressways, no matter what.
This is less a mistake and more a regional difference in terminology.
Agreed, but I wasn't sure how to word that succinctly.
It's like saying all those European roadgeeks on Skyscrapercity aren't really roadgeeks just because they refuse to call anything that isn't controlled-access a "highway".
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on June 22, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 22, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Freeways in PA are called expressways, no matter what.
This is less a mistake and more a regional difference in terminology.
And there more than a few
FREEWAY ENDS signs across the Commonwealth.
https://goo.gl/maps/5pstGebHF5i1tbrk6
https://goo.gl/maps/dmtABHsFTvhMDVYk7
https://goo.gl/maps/5WPvALgCq46sGV1R9
https://goo.gl/maps/x9SBRPsrrhagUa6k6
https://goo.gl/maps/Fhezoz1oy2iWeTBX6
I work with someone who routinely makes the trip from here in Mason City down to Fort Dodge. According to his description, he follows I-35 to I-20. I told him it's US 20 and he told me I don't understand that since it's freeway, it's interstate.
Quote from: DandyDan on June 22, 2020, 04:37:32 PM
I work with someone who routinely makes the trip from here in Mason City down to Fort Dodge. According to his description, he follows I-35 to I-20. I told him it's US 20 and he told me I don't understand that since it's freeway, it's interstate.
Well, that combines two mistakes, considering 20 isn't even controlled-access west of the Eagle Grove exit.
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
The worst fake Interstate I've seen is "I-30" in Austin. I've seen and can understand "I-130" and "I-45," but seeing the "1" in "130" as "I" is a stretch, especially since there is no "I" in front of the number on Interstate signs. Maybe they just have Dallas envy.
To be fair, I've seen it referred to that way only once.
my wife's dad's wife called I-90/94 "the I system"
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
I've always thought that MO 370 SHOULD be an interstate - in fact, I don't know why it's not one already. Ditto with MO 364.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on June 22, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
I've always thought that MO 370 SHOULD be an interstate - in fact, I don't know why it's not one already. Ditto with MO 364.
Same with things like NC 840. Oh wait...
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
It's a de facto interstate.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on June 22, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
Ditto with MO 364.
might want to upgrade the 64/364 junction before that happens.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
Did the map display MO-364 correctly?
Quote from: wxfree on June 22, 2020, 10:46:09 PM
The worst fake Interstate I've seen is "I-30" in Austin. I've seen and can understand "I-130" and "I-45," but seeing the "1" in "130" as "I" is a stretch, especially since there is no "I" in front of the number on Interstate signs. Maybe they just have Dallas envy.
To be fair, I've seen it referred to that way only once.
I've once heard "I-68" on VA-168 here in Hampton Roads.
Quote from: kphoger on June 22, 2020, 04:16:12 PM
It's like saying all those European roadgeeks on Skyscrapercity aren't really roadgeeks just because they refuse to call anything that isn't controlled-access a "highway".
That one bugs me when I hear it IRL. When people don't realize that just because a road has traffic signals and at-grade intersections doesn't mean it's
not a highway. It could be an expressway or an arterial highway. I think this once came up when discussing US 56 in northeastern Johnson County, KS. It says right there on the sign, "[US shield] 56," hence it's part of the US
highway system; thus it's highway. Furthermore, it's designed as a hybrid between an expressway and a surface arterial, not just a plain conventional road. US 56 in
Missouri on the other hand--that's a routing error and a case of inadequate signage if there ever was one, but it's also a topic that's been discussed in another thread.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on June 22, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
I've always thought that MO 370 SHOULD be an interstate - in fact, I don't know why it's not one already.
That's also a topic that's been discussed in other threads. Ideally, the first digit should be an even number because it functions more as a loop than a spur, but that argument is really splitting hairs, especially when you can find similar examples of 3DIs starting with odd-number digits but functioning at least partially as loops.
Edit: Most of my typos aren't spelling or grammatical errors; they're mostly brain farts and often accidental word omission that results in an unintended change of meaning. It's frustrating.
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 22, 2020, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: wxfree on June 22, 2020, 10:46:09 PM
The worst fake Interstate I've seen is "I-30" in Austin. I've seen and can understand "I-130" and "I-45," but seeing the "1" in "130" as "I" is a stretch, especially since there is no "I" in front of the number on Interstate signs. Maybe they just have Dallas envy.
To be fair, I've seen it referred to that way only once.
I've once heard "I-68" on VA-168 here in Hampton Roads.
My grandmother used to refer to the freeway running from LaGrange to Columbus as "I-85", as opposed to the one from Atlanta to LaGrange, which was simply "85".
Quote from: Eth on June 23, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 22, 2020, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: wxfree on June 22, 2020, 10:46:09 PM
The worst fake Interstate I've seen is "I-30" in Austin. I've seen and can understand "I-130" and "I-45," but seeing the "1" in "130" as "I" is a stretch, especially since there is no "I" in front of the number on Interstate signs. Maybe they just have Dallas envy.
To be fair, I've seen it referred to that way only once.
I've once heard "I-68" on VA-168 here in Hampton Roads.
My grandmother used to refer to the freeway running from LaGrange to Columbus as "I-85", as opposed to the one from Atlanta to LaGrange, which was simply "85".
Isn't this exact point of confusion why Iowa and SC's DOT's chose to spell out "I-129" (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4456889,-96.3755356,3a,39.8y,32.91h,92.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shFKdlzTColsw7-426GBJ3g!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) (formerly in this case) and "I-126" (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0295091,-81.1031329,3a,75y,142.49h,90.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3tlBbfAAAsuZhuMcieRpRg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) on some of their signage?
The "can't tell a letter I from a numeral 1" problem is fairly widespread in my experience. I worked at a AAA office in Williamsport, PA a few summers between high school and college, and I spent several minutes with a confused elderly woman (a local) explaining that the in-town freeway I-180 was a separate road from I-80.
Customer: So I go out here and take the ramp to eye Eighty...
Me: That's eye One-Eighty.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: You see here on the map: Interstate One-Eighty. (pointing at I-180 shield on map)
Me: "Eye" stands for Interstate.
Customer: Eye Eighty.
Me: Eye One-Eighty...this is "eye Eighty" over here (pointing at I-80 shield near Danville)
Customer: (pointing at I-180 shield on map) Eye Eighty...there's an eye here
Me: That's a numeral one there before the eight and the zero.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: So you'll get on Interstate One-Eighty headed east, follow that out past Muncy and toward Milton... (tracing route on map)
Me: Then you'll see an exit marked Interstate Eighty East...Bloomsburg. And you'll take that exit.
Customer: (confused silence)
Customer: So I'll get on eye Eighty out here and take that out to Eighty...?
Quote from: briantroutman on June 23, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
The "can't tell a letter I from a numeral 1" problem is fairly widespread in my experience. I worked at a AAA office in Williamsport, PA a few summers between high school and college, and I spent several minutes with a confused elderly woman (a local) explaining that the in-town freeway I-180 was a separate road from I-80.
Customer: So I go out here and take the ramp to eye Eighty...
Me: That's eye One-Eighty.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: You see here on the map: Interstate One-Eighty. (pointing at I-180 shield on map)
Me: "Eye" stands for Interstate.
Customer: Eye Eighty.
Me: Eye One-Eighty...this is "eye Eighty" over here (pointing at I-80 shield near Danville)
Customer: (pointing at I-180 shield on map) Eye Eighty...there's an eye here
Me: That's a numeral one there before the eight and the zero.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: So you'll get on Interstate One-Eighty headed east, follow that out past Muncy and toward Milton... (tracing route on map)
Me: Then you'll see an exit marked Interstate Eighty East...Bloomsburg. And you'll take that exit.
Customer: (confused silence)
Customer: So I'll get on eye Eighty out here and take that out to Eighty...?
Oh jeez. That would be irritating.
Although my drivers ed teacher did say the word freeway...
Quote from: briantroutman on June 23, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
The "can't tell a letter I from a numeral 1" problem is fairly widespread in my experience. I worked at a AAA office in Williamsport, PA a few summers between high school and college, and I spent several minutes with a confused elderly woman (a local) explaining that the in-town freeway I-180 was a separate road from I-80.
Customer: So I go out here and take the ramp to eye Eighty...
Me: That's eye One-Eighty.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: You see here on the map: Interstate One-Eighty. (pointing at I-180 shield on map)
Me: "Eye" stands for Interstate.
Customer: Eye Eighty.
Me: Eye One-Eighty...this is "eye Eighty" over here (pointing at I-80 shield near Danville)
Customer: (pointing at I-180 shield on map) Eye Eighty...there's an eye here
Me: That's a numeral one there before the eight and the zero.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: So you'll get on Interstate One-Eighty headed east, follow that out past Muncy and toward Milton... (tracing route on map)
Me: Then you'll see an exit marked Interstate Eighty East...Bloomsburg. And you'll take that exit.
Customer: (confused silence)
Customer: So I'll get on eye Eighty out here and take that out to Eighty...?
I guess it's not just I-135 in Wichita, then....
There's no time in my life to worry about the precision of words expressway, highway, freeway; or whether the right type of shield used on an advertiser's map. Nor a care to general public's idea that the state or federal government is responsible for every sign, pothole, or traffic light in their line of sight. The air defense notion has been busted for decades, never mind it wouldn't make sense to utilize it in that way for almost all of the nation.
But let's face it: the most irksome thing is when a route shield is drawn or placed precisely at intersection of two routes, so you have no idea which one is which. Only a non-roadgeek would be okay with that!
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 23, 2020, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on June 23, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
The "can't tell a letter I from a numeral 1" problem is fairly widespread in my experience. I worked at a AAA office in Williamsport, PA a few summers between high school and college, and I spent several minutes with a confused elderly woman (a local) explaining that the in-town freeway I-180 was a separate road from I-80.
Customer: So I go out here and take the ramp to eye Eighty...
Me: That's eye One-Eighty.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: You see here on the map: Interstate One-Eighty. (pointing at I-180 shield on map)
Me: "Eye" stands for Interstate.
Customer: Eye Eighty.
Me: Eye One-Eighty...this is "eye Eighty" over here (pointing at I-80 shield near Danville)
Customer: (pointing at I-180 shield on map) Eye Eighty...there's an eye here
Me: That's a numeral one there before the eight and the zero.
Customer: (confused silence)
Me: So you'll get on Interstate One-Eighty headed east, follow that out past Muncy and toward Milton... (tracing route on map)
Me: Then you'll see an exit marked Interstate Eighty East...Bloomsburg. And you'll take that exit.
Customer: (confused silence)
Customer: So I'll get on eye Eighty out here and take that out to Eighty...?
Oh jeez. That would be irritating.
Yes. I got irritated just reading it.
I would've been tempted to say "Let me illustrate" and then draw the I-180 shield on a piece of paper followed by " = Interstate 180 = I-180" and then below it the 80 shield followed by "= Interstate 80 = I-80". But it probably would've been a waste of time. I've seen that glazed over look too many times...
I never gave this example a second thought previously, but with the 1 Vs. I discussion I now wonder if MDOT SHA added this I-95 shield assembly (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2375267,-76.7074603,3a,41.4y,255.42h,91.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szytdDV6SDRxIrk0gebM-IQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) to try to prevent confusion with the exit for I-195?
Quote from: kphoger on June 23, 2020, 02:30:40 PM
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Quote from: texaskdog on June 22, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
the narrator said interstate 97 ... a state highway
Isn't it?
was US 97
* whoosh *
As noted in the "Fun Facts about your County" thread, you could even go one step lower and call it a county highway :-D
On a non-roadgeek board, I several times had to correct people referring to US 75 in Texas as I-75. I got into an argument and he tried to show me a wikipedia page showing US 75 as "proof" that he was correct.
* People always speed, so every road must be 30 MPH. If you raise it to 40, people will start drag racing
* Several people have complained that mile-based exit conversions are too confusing because you don't know how many exits are left until yours. Who's realistically counting exits and how does that help? Plus what if there are suffixed exits that throw off your count?
* Interstate highways must enter another state. Pointing out primary intrastate highways is met with "well, they were originally supposed to be longer, so..."
You can solve any capacity, flow, or safety problem by rigorously enforcing a low speed limit.
Quote from: kurumi on June 25, 2020, 12:26:36 PM
You can solve any capacity, flow, or safety problem by rigorously enforcing a low speed limit.
That's certainly the approach DC takes. (https://wjla.com/features/7-on-your-side/notorious-295-speed-camera)
I-95 in Las Vegas even though for now US-95 is cosigned with I-515 in the Las Vegas area and it was discussed to becomes I-11.
The explanation over Business Routes is Business 80 must meet interstate standards even though Business 80 in Sacramento is officially CA-51.
I once witnessed an opposite US/Interstate route mix-up by a non-roadgeek.
Before my wife and I got married, we were living in Naperville and Wheaton, IL (respectively). We got married in Branson, MO, and moved to southern Illinois upon getting married, with a honeymoon in Mexico by way of the Kansas City airport. Suffice it to say that planning all of that was complicated. About three weeks before our wedding, we rented a moving truck and hauled our stuff to our newly rented house in Herrin, IL. My wife drove to Branson from there, while I took Greyhound back to Chicago to keep working for about a week and a half. I lived out of a backpack during that time, at first in my apartment and then later at a friend's house. After my last day of work, I took public transit to the south suburbs and started hitchhiking I-57 south the next morning–beginning at the Lincoln Hwy exit in Matteson. My hitchhiking sign was a piece of white cardboard with a big red hitchhiking thumb attached to the left side. The white part had the words "Getting Married" and an outline I-57 shield. While I was hitchhiking south, my wife and her little sister were driving west. Three rides and not quite 300 miles later (https://goo.gl/maps/XkNTwqRWaVJEBWeD9), I had them wait for me at the Herrin exit.
All of that was to set up the following: My sister-in-law later described my hitchhiking sign to someone as having a "US Highway 57 shield" on it.
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 22, 2020, 12:17:09 PM
Every road that ever-so-slightly resembles a freeway (divided, shoulders, etc.) is an interstate, even if it has driveways, intersections, etc.
My former daughter in law was just the opposite. She was so fixated on Interstates she would drive from Town East Mall in Mesquite TX, which is right by US 80 a six lane controlled access freeway (and a former routing of I-20), via I-635 to I-20 then to Longview.
I also know people that use the term FREEWAY and INTERSTATE interchangably. While never I-175. US-175 might be callad "the Interstate".
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Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
Ditto with MO 364.
might want to upgrade the 64/364 junction before that happens.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
A STL tourism map handed out by volunteers at Lambert Airport showed MO-370 as an interstate.
Did the map display MO-364 correctly?
Sorry I'm late, but yes. This was before Phase III completion past Cottleville; it was handed out in Lambert Terminal 1 bag claim in 2013.
Quote from: kphoger on June 22, 2020, 04:47:20 PM
Quote from: DandyDan on June 22, 2020, 04:37:32 PM
I work with someone who routinely makes the trip from here in Mason City down to Fort Dodge. According to his description, he follows I-35 to I-20. I told him it's US 20 and he told me I don't understand that since it's freeway, it's interstate.
Well, that combines two mistakes, considering 20 isn't even controlled-access west of the Eagle Grove exit.
I had to check to make sure you weren't making that up, being I've only ever been on that part of US 20 once. I suspect he probably exits at Business US 20 or US 169, so he just might think it's all freeway there.