SH-190/PGBT Tollway East Branch extension to I-20 (Segment VIII)

[ZLoth]

According to the May 15 2024 NTTA Meeting
The PGBT East Branch total Project Budget is now $1,728,900. On Schedule with no completion date posted.
It probably have to start soon since the I 30 Widening project starts around 2027 so it goes at par with others.
I will drop a link with this message so yall can learn more about.I30FergusontoBassPro

I feel sorry for the people who are using I-30 from Rockwall and Royce City to get to their North Dallas jobs. First, there was the 635 East Project which runs from US-75 to Interstate 30 including a interchange reconstruction that started in 2020 and should conclude in next year. Then, there is the Lake Ray Hubbard projects that will take several years to complete. Now this.

[05danper42842]

Also in a few years they will also start planning on Redoing the famous I 30 Canyon from I 35E to us 75. Since that is connected to the Dallas to Houston High Speed Rail (Elevated Station). Also, in par with the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center Dallas Redesign/Expansion. I 30 will continue to see construction all the way until 2030.

[MaxConcrete]

According to the May 15 2024 NTTA Meeting
The PGBT East Branch total Project Budget is now $1,728,900.

The project budget is $1.729 billion

[05danper42842]

I would like to inform you of the upcoming Public Scoping Meeting for the President George Bush Turnpike East Branch project.

NTTA is hosting an in-person Public Scoping Meeting on Tuesday, August 20, 2024, from 5:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. at the Mesquite Convention Center, located at 1750 Rodeo Drive, Mesquite, TX 75149.

The scoping meeting will provide an overview of the proposed project, the anticipated study schedule, the initial purpose and need, the range of alternatives under consideration, and the potential effects of each.
Check out the link to the original post in Facebook.
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[MaxConcrete]

The link below has the NTTA meeting announcement. Nothing new in the announcement.

Meeting annoucement

[I-35]

It's still wild to me that this apartment complex was allowed to be permitted and built directly in the path of the extension.  That's likely a $25-35 million ROW acquisition alone, if based on market rates.  The older neighborhood to the southeast is likely to be subsumed as well, as the only greenfield route beyond is near the west shore of Lake Ray Hubbard.

[05danper42842]

It's still wild to me that this apartment complex was allowed to be permitted and built directly in the path of the extension.  That's likely a $25-35 million ROW acquisition alone, if based on market rates.  The older neighborhood to the southeast is likely to be subsumed as well, as the only greenfield route beyond is near the west shore of Lake Ray Hubbard.

The aparments were there before the Eastern Extension was built. In Google Maps Streets the apartments were already there 2008. The study for Sh 190 Alignment began in 2004 but Txdot envisioned a outer loop outside of Dallas way back in the 1990s. But property owners must be self aware of any nearby future road construction project. Google Earth Pro Timeline could show much earlier by aerial imagery.

[I-35]

It's still wild to me that this apartment complex was allowed to be permitted and built directly in the path of the extension.  That's likely a $25-35 million ROW acquisition alone, if based on market rates.  The older neighborhood to the southeast is likely to be subsumed as well, as the only greenfield route beyond is near the west shore of Lake Ray Hubbard.

The aparments were there before the Eastern Extension was built. In Google Maps Streets the apartments were already there 2008. The study for Sh 190 Alignment began in 2004 but Txdot envisioned a outer loop outside of Dallas way back in the 1990s. But property owners must be self aware of any nearby future road construction project. Google Earth Pro Timeline could show much earlier by aerial imagery.

This portion out front only dates to 2022.  link

[Bobby5280]

It's especially nutty how the Embree Hill Apartments complex was built so recently. The Phase I buildings were in 2018. The rest of them opened in 2022. It has been common knowledge the PGBT would eventually be extended directly through that land. But building permits were granted anyway.

Farther down, new subdivisions are continuing to jam-pack dozens upon dozens of new homes into any available land between Bobtown Road and Lake Ray Hubbard.

It's so stupid how the NTTA failed to take any steps to acquire ROW for this East Branch of the PGBT 15-20 years ago when far more of the land was vacant. To be fair, at the end of the 2000's the NTTA had to buy and demolish a decent number of existing properties just to connect the PGBT into I-30. There was a pretty big apartment complex on the North side of I-30 where the current "Y" interchange exists now.

Still, the stretch of ROW from I-30 to I-20 could have been secured more than a decade ago by simply building a 2-lane street with a bunch of vacant land off to the side of it. Now that they're blocked in by all kinds of new development any new PGBT alignment is going to require wiping out a lot of fairly new properties. Texas used to be pretty good at avoiding this sort of thing. They had better long term planning.

[05danper42842]

Take some    before you read everything about NTTA August 20 Meeting.
As a Mesquite resident what I heard from others residents and elected officials alternative 2 is a instant no due to Lawson Rd already being utilized as a major Utilities corridor for the city and other governments.
Meeting materials and presentations, schematics are available in this link.

[Bobby5280]

I think Alternative 1 looks like the better option. I'm kind of surprised they're able to skirt the East edge of all those new housing subdivisions while staying West of the Lake Hubbard Power Plant.

With the real estate market being so badly over-valued and ready to implode NTTA may be able to buy some properties in the proposed ROW at a discount if their timing is right. It seems likely there will be more public meetings and other legal stuff to deal with before a record of decision can be delivered. After all of that the NTTA can proceed with acquiring ROW.