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Started by wriddle082, October 15, 2015, 05:16:53 PM

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tolbs17

Quote from: froggie on July 25, 2019, 06:21:08 AM
^ It's not getting 10 + 4 express.  It's getting 8 + 4 but only from I-277 to I-85.  North of I-85 it will be 6 + 4 then it tapers to 4 + 4 north of I-485.

Well it needs more lanes. Population is drastically increasing and I was hoping the widening over the river (if I even know what it is) would happen.


tolbs17

Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 09:24:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 25, 2019, 06:21:08 AM
^ It's not getting 10 + 4 express.  It's getting 8 + 4 but only from I-277 to I-85.  North of I-85 it will be 6 + 4 then it tapers to 4 + 4 north of I-485.

Well it needs more lanes. Population is drastically increasing and I was hoping the widening over the river (if I even know what it is) would happen.

Mooresville's population was at 19,000 back in 2000 and now is 37,800 as of 2017. That's almost doubling the population.

Rothman

Stop the spamming!! 
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

tolbs17

Quote from: Rothman on July 28, 2019, 09:00:09 PM
Stop the spamming!!

So that's off topic? We should be only talking about Charlotte? I will probably wait for a post before i see what it's like and i will post

Rothman

No, responding to yourself over and over is excessive.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

tolbs17

Quote from: Rothman on July 28, 2019, 09:55:27 PM
No, responding to yourself over and over is excessive.

Ok. I will stop.

LM117

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Mileage Mike

Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.

WashuOtaku

Quote from: Cemajr on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.

Well, it's currently a decade away, so you will have plenty of HATE by then.

tolbs17

Quote from: Cemajr on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.

sprjus4

Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 08, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.
Funding shortfalls have caused the delays in projects all around the state. It's not like they're doing nothing though. I-85 was just widened from 4 to 8 lanes north of Charlotte, I-485 Express Lanes are under construction, the I-77 Express Lanes were recently completed, the Monroe Expressway opened last year, major improvements to the northern part of US-77 converted it into a "Jersey Freeway" where you have private driveway connections and RIROs, but no crossroads and urban interchanges. A free-flowing arterial essentially.

More projects are funded to widen I-85 from 6 to 8 lanes south (west) of Charlotte, add Express Lanes to I-77 to South Carolina as mentioned, and an overhaul of the I-77 / I-85 interchange IIRC.

It's not just NCDOT though that takes "FOREVER". Pretty much all DOTs are this way, and for the record, NCDOT seems to be farther ahead than my state's DOT, though they are catching up as of recently.

froggie

Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 08, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.

What you don't seem to understand is that it takes a lot of time and money to do the location studies, environmental studies, public (both citizen and local governmental) meetings, legal paperwork, right-of-way acquisition, and utility relocation just to get big construction projects started.  And then there's the construction itself, with heavy equipment movement & staging, workforce mobilization, materials, maintenance of traffic, and everything else that enables the construction to occur.

"Moving people out of the city" also isn't a realistic option, as all you're really doing there is shifting the traffic burden to wherever they relocate to...often locations that don't have the infrastructure to handle the influx, so you're right back in the same boat.

tolbs17

Quote from: sprjus4 on September 08, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 08, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.
Funding shortfalls have caused the delays in projects all around the state. It's not like they're doing nothing though. I-85 was just widened from 4 to 8 lanes north of Charlotte, I-485 Express Lanes are under construction, the I-77 Express Lanes were recently completed, the Monroe Expressway opened last year, major improvements to the northern part of US-77 converted it into a "Jersey Freeway" where you have private driveway connections and RIROs, but no crossroads and urban interchanges. A free-flowing arterial essentially.

More projects are funded to widen I-85 from 6 to 8 lanes south (west) of Charlotte, add Express Lanes to I-77 to South Carolina as mentioned, and an overhaul of the I-77 / I-85 interchange IIRC.

It's not just NCDOT though that takes "FOREVER". Pretty much all DOTs are this way, and for the record, NCDOT seems to be farther ahead than my state's DOT, though they are catching up as of recently.
They should make the entire I-77 / I-85 interchange to a four level stack. Unless they convert it to this. The website claims it will not be reconfigured, but it will be really needed in the future. Lots of weaving.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1210A_Report_2014.pdf

Scroll down to page 33 and see the complete redesign.

tolbs17

Quote from: froggie on September 08, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 08, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.

What you don't seem to understand is that it takes a lot of time and money to do the location studies, environmental studies, public (both citizen and local governmental) meetings, legal paperwork, right-of-way acquisition, and utility relocation just to get big construction projects started.  And then there's the construction itself, with heavy equipment movement & staging, workforce mobilization, materials, maintenance of traffic, and everything else that enables the construction to occur.

"Moving people out of the city" also isn't a realistic option, as all you're really doing there is shifting the traffic burden to wherever they relocate to...often locations that don't have the infrastructure to handle the influx, so you're right back in the same boat.
We have big areas that we can develop here in Greenville, NC. And look at the outer banks! Also undeveloped. I'm not sure if Charlotte is too crowded...

jcarte29

Wow I took a look at those 85/77 concepts that would be a dream to have that reconfigured.

Somewhat on topic, I asked on FB this the other day. Will there be access from **I-77 Express Lanes** to I-85 SB? I definitely identified where to access to I-85 NB but still have yet to see/find the other...
Interstates I've driven on (Complete and/or partial, no particular order)
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40, 85, 95, 77, 277(NC), 485(NC), 440(NC), 540(NC), 795(NC), 140(NC), 73, 74, 840(NC), 26, 20, 75, 285(GA), 81, 64, 71, 275(OH), 465(IN), 65, 264(VA), 240(NC), 295(VA), 526(SC), 985(GA), 395(FL), 195(FL)

The Ghostbuster

How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?

tolbs17

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 09, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.

jcarte29

Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 09, 2019, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 09, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.

I agree with this but Raleigh I-40 takes a close second...
Interstates I've driven on (Complete and/or partial, no particular order)
------------------
40, 85, 95, 77, 277(NC), 485(NC), 440(NC), 540(NC), 795(NC), 140(NC), 73, 74, 840(NC), 26, 20, 75, 285(GA), 81, 64, 71, 275(OH), 465(IN), 65, 264(VA), 240(NC), 295(VA), 526(SC), 985(GA), 395(FL), 195(FL)

tolbs17


sprjus4

Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 09, 2019, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on September 09, 2019, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 09, 2019, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 09, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.

I agree with this but Raleigh I-40 takes a close second...
They are going to fix that hopefully soon. Here's some maps of the proposals

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1205A_Report_2016.pdf

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf
Unfunded projects. Managed lanes along w/ an additional general purpose lane each way is ideal, but a long ways away.

tolbs17


jcarte29

Interstates I've driven on (Complete and/or partial, no particular order)
------------------
40, 85, 95, 77, 277(NC), 485(NC), 440(NC), 540(NC), 795(NC), 140(NC), 73, 74, 840(NC), 26, 20, 75, 285(GA), 81, 64, 71, 275(OH), 465(IN), 65, 264(VA), 240(NC), 295(VA), 526(SC), 985(GA), 395(FL), 195(FL)

sprjus4

Quote from: jcarte29 on September 09, 2019, 11:21:12 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 09, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4017547,-80.6983075,3a,75y,55.74h,79.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZUdpXrct-ZVgtXz7A7lSHg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

They got space to put another lane here. Maybe in the future there will be some managed lanes?

Just don't hire Cintra for the project!
Or any private company for that matter. Same mistake made here in Virginia with I-95 and I-495.

froggie

I don't think the Beltway HO/T Lanes project was that big of an issue.  I-95/395, on the other hand...



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