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Title: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: mgk920 on October 25, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
Very interesting! Starting in 2013, the USA will have two races on F1's annual calendar (Austin, TX starting next year), and on a temporary street course with an incredible view of the Manhattan skyline!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/formula1/story/2011-10-24/formula-one-comes-to-new-jersey/50897052/1

 :clap:

Also, can someone in the northeast with a camera car take a lap on the published course and post it?  It should all be open and drivable in the clockwise race direction.

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on October 25, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
I'm really excited about both of these, probably moreso the NJ race than Austin due to the former being within driving distance for me. I think both of the circuits were well-thought-out, from looking at the layouts for them.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: english si on October 26, 2011, 05:04:20 AM
not another street race!

Is the area it goes through residential or commercial? And if residential, rich or poor? With Monaco, most people who live there go on holiday (and rent out their houses/apartments for the week) as there's all the noise and disruption - but they are rich, and renting their posh apartments to rich people more than pays for their holiday. With Valencia, it's just docklands. And with Singapore it's just the commercial area.

I'm guessing Austin will be yet another new track - they all tend to be designed by the same guy, so you end up with a lot of races that are almost the same.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on October 26, 2011, 08:39:44 AM
(OOOH! An F1 thread!)

Bernie Ecclestone has wanted a New York Grand Prix very badly, to the point he held a spot for them during the 1983 Grand Prix season, which never made it very far. Don't forget that year also had GP races in Detroit and Long Beach, so he's always had a soft spot for the American market, seeing it has a vast untapped market for future F1 fans ...statistically, yes; realistically, no. It's arguably become the Number 2 form of motorsport in the nation, which is in better shape than IndyCar and ALMS — which have a very small niche following — but still a long way back from the 800-pound gorilla called Sprint Cup. New York makes a big statement, that almost goes without saying...but I get the idea that Bernie wants to pull off the event to show off to the rest of the world.

This is what he likes about the circuit location:

(http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/188029.jpg)

From what I've heard of the proposals, it's in a commercial district. Here's one of the plans by Tilke...(link to larger image (http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5839/njformula1trackjpgeb7ce.jpg))

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5839/njformula1trackjpgeb7ce.jpg)

Quote from: mgk920
Also, can someone in the northeast with a camera car take a lap on the published course and post it?  It should all be open and drivable in the clockwise race direction.
And a drive-around:


Personally, I'm more geeked about the Austin circuit, but the distance to travel + having two kids, means I'd like them to work out all the logistical bugs during the 2012 event, and I'll gladly visit it in 2013. Getting around by foot around the access paths of a street circuit is a totally different restriction which is much more of a pain in the head (for safety reasons) if not done properly. Then again, times may have changed since I saw the one Grand Prix I've been to in Spain, whereby you were free to walk about the circuit perimeter but could only sit where you held appropriate tickets.

not another street race!

Bridgehampton was a pretty awesome road course back in the day, having been a proper road course that shamed Watkins Glen for a while, but it's become a golf course since 1998.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: mgk920 on October 26, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
not another street race!

Is the area it goes through residential or commercial? And if residential, rich or poor? With Monaco, most people who live there go on holiday (and rent out their houses/apartments for the week) as there's all the noise and disruption - but they are rich, and renting their posh apartments to rich people more than pays for their holiday. With Valencia, it's just docklands. And with Singapore it's just the commercial area.

I'm guessing Austin will be yet another new track - they all tend to be designed by the same guy, so you end up with a lot of races that are almost the same.

Yep. A street course.  It is in a combination residential, commercial and parkland area with heavy redevelopment of a former industrial/port area.  West New York, NJ is one of the most densely populated municipalities in the entire USA, too, and on the course map in the above images, with one exception (the splotch by the hairpin, which is a sewage treatment plant), all of the red areas are very high unit-density residential buildings.  The pink area by the bridge on the south end of the track is also a seven-story residential building.  Resident access will be maintained to all during the race weeks and many will have fantastic views of the races from their apartments.

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Austin is currently building a purpose-built racetrack in rural southeast part of their metro area.  

See:
http://maps.google.com/?ll=30.137408,-97.640305&spn=0.044389,0.087891&t=h&z=14&vpsrc=6
This track, shown in the center of the image in its earliest stages of construction, is a short distance south of Bergstrom airport (AUS).

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on October 26, 2011, 12:03:44 PM
One benefit to people living there would be the demise of those speed humps you see in that drive-around video.

I'd like to go to both this race and the one in Austin, but certainly this one would be far easier to get to from the DC area. On the other hand, I saw a possible ticket price of $360 kicked around. True, that's for the whole weekend, but as of right now I wouldn't be able to pay that.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on October 26, 2011, 12:22:47 PM
Yeah, I'm aiming to attend in 2015 at the earliest. Anything before that isn't practical for me.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on November 16, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
Looks like the Austin race is dead, at least for now...then again, knowing Ecclestone, whi knows.

 http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-bernie-ecclestone-austin-race-set-to-be-called-off
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on November 16, 2011, 02:39:21 PM
Looks like the Austin race is dead, at least for now...then again, knowing Ecclestone, whi knows.

 http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-bernie-ecclestone-austin-race-set-to-be-called-off

Planet-F1 report that construction on the circuit has been suspended, too. (http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/7310871/Work-Grinds-To-A-Halt-In-Austin) Doesn't sound good.

I wonder why the circuit's owners keep capitalizing the word "the" in the circuit's name.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on November 16, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
Doesn't sound good.

Yeah, I saw that on ESPN last night. Looks like Tavo wants the track to take things over.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on November 16, 2011, 05:26:29 PM
I wonder why the circuit's owners keep capitalizing the word "the" in the circuit's name.

I think the term "The Americas" (North + Central + South America - Greenland) is always capitalized like that. Words like "the, a, of, and"...et cetera - which aren't normally capitalized within titles - are capitalized if they are the lead word in a proper noun. So "The Americas" is correct, because Grand Prix of The Americas is a concatenation of two proper nouns with a preposition. At least, that's what I recall from grade-school grammar.

Of course, calling it the "United States Grand Prix" alleviates this issue, but no...we have to make Mexico feel good that F1 hasn't used the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in 20 years.

I think F1 jumped the gun a little early, and desperately wants to the be first racing series at any new track it deems worthy of its top-notch FIA-approved machinery, but only just after the ink is dry on the blueprints. It used to be you made the track, and then they come, but then again, nobody wants to lose out on a $100 million investment, just to lure karts and weekend gentlemen racers, and never recoup their costs.

Of course, after the dust settles, we'll know if this was a big ploy by Bernie to get the NYGP, or a massive cock-up between the Austin organizers and the circuit owners.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on November 16, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
I've never seen "the" capitalized in "the Americas," but who knows. If I remember, I'll ask my mother when I see her next week. She taught English for many years until retiring the year before last.

I know the people on Wikipedia incorrectly capitalize "the" whenever a name like "the Beatles" appears in the middle of a sentence (that is, they'd say "Help! was the second movie starring The Beatles, released in 1965" when it should be "... starring the Beatles ..."), contrary to just about every style and grammar guide out there, so maybe the circuit's owners are seemingly misguided.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on November 16, 2011, 05:44:09 PM
...contrary to just about every style and grammar guide out there, so maybe the circuit's owners are seemingly misguided.

With the exception of most of the motoring press, the automotive industry was suffocating the English language long before SMS and the Internet.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on November 17, 2011, 02:51:31 PM
Reports today are that Ecclestone says he is 100% certain the 2012 Austin race will be cancelled at next month's WMSC meeting. Meanwhile, there's also a report that construction on the Circuit of the Americas has been halted.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on December 07, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
The Associated Press are reporting the USGP has been INCLUDED on next year's calendar, Ecclestone's threats notwithstanding. (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=351&sid=2660382)
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: mgk920 on June 13, 2012, 08:25:56 PM
F1 Driver Sabastian Vettel's drive on the Weehawken-West New York, NJ course - Monday, 2012-06-11:


Enjoy!

 :thumbsup:

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing thread!
Post by: mgk920 on July 26, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
Rockwell-Collins is now a major sponsor of an F1 team and they have one of their cars on display, along with a personal appearance of their up and coming USA-born driver Alexander Rossi http://www.alexanderrossi.com/ at this year's EAA Airventure week in Oshkosh, WI, through Sunday, 29-July.  I spend several days on the grounds every year as a volunteer.

Worth checking out if you are in the area.

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on July 26, 2012, 12:29:50 PM
During race coverage last week, the American commentators were briefly discussing the Nürburgring and its financial struggles. Has there been talk of its F1 race going away?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on July 26, 2012, 07:48:05 PM
^ The old Nürburgring has been in financial trouble for years now, due to its status of world's-longest-permanent racing circuit. Interestingly, it's considered a toll road, because on open days, you just bring cash and a vehicle, and pay-per-lap. But despite all the testing days, open days, and a handful of events, that doesn't bring in enough revenue to keep up a 14-mile long circuit and amenities, when the average road FIA Grade 1 circuit is about 3 miles long.

The flip-flop between Hockenhiem and Nürburgring for hosting the event every other year is an old idea brought back to life; Spa-Francorchamps and Paul Ricard are also going to do the same, I've heard.

Rockwell-Collins is now a major sponsor of an F1 team and they have one of their cars on display, along with a personal appearance of their up and coming USA-born driver Alexander Rossi http://www.alexanderrossi.com/ at this year's EAA Airventure week in Oshkosh, WI, through Sunday, 29-July.  I spend several days on the grounds every year as a volunteer.

Team Caterham has quite a number of American sponsors, I've noticed. GE and CNN are also in their portfolio. Now if only they could crack into the points or make Q2 on a regular basis...
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on September 13, 2012, 05:00:58 PM
The Circuit of the Americas is almost completed...really cutting it close for an mid-November race!

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/603381_514475048578840_1375298825_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 13, 2012, 05:09:46 PM
The Korean GP circuit was the same way a couple years ago; in fact, it was still a bit unfinished by race weekend.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Lewis Hamilton is leaving McLaren at the end of the year, replacing Michael Schumacher at Mercedes. Sergio Perez is his McLaren replacement.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on September 28, 2012, 12:46:47 PM
I expected Perez to go to Ferrari, to be honest. Somehow, Massa just doesn't have the same speed and motivation in the past two seasons. I figured the Sauber engine deal and dispatching Alonso on a few occasions would have sealed that second seat. Schumacher looks like he doesn't care anymore. He looks happier to be out of the car with every retirement, than he does actually driving it. Rosberg has surpassed him on nearly every race and qualifying session in the past three years.

I think now we'll see how good Hamilton really is at a mid-level team; there's been folks muttering that he jumped right into F1 with the one of the best cars at his disposal, but a look at Kovalinen shows that you sometimes can't handle the pressure. Although, Heikki has matured quite a bit; he's quietly done well in the Lotus/Caterham for a few years, if not spectacular.

This really opens up a lot of talk for a couple of seats; there's been no excitement from GP2 to fill up any vacancies (Davide Valscechi was the champ, but I don't see him jumping right into a great seat...he's had 3-4 years in GP2 to hone his craft against some really great past graduates, but now against so-so competitors.) Sauber will have an opening, though...seems to be a great car this year.

Now the silly season gets a lot less silly, but starts to get serious. And occasionally...weird.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on September 28, 2012, 05:02:31 PM
The BBC reports the FIA gave the stamp of approval to the Circuit of the Americas in Austin at today's track inspection, so November's race is a go!

New Jersey sounds far less likely.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2012, 05:54:45 PM
I expected Perez to go to Ferrari, to be honest. Somehow, Massa just doesn't have the same speed and motivation in the past two seasons.
Yeah, Massa's never been the same since his accident. "Fernando is faster than you" seems to have made it exponentially worse. I am glad to see Perez move up; in the absence of an American driver, it's good to see at least a North American driver doing well.

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I think now we'll see how good Hamilton really is at a mid-level team
Agreed, although I have read that Mercedes is focusing more on its 2014 program than next year's.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Alps on September 28, 2012, 06:31:06 PM
The BBC reports the FIA gave the stamp of approval to the Circuit of the Americas in Austin at today's track inspection, so November's race is a go!

New Jersey sounds far less likely.
All it takes is one crash into someone's veranda, knocking a city block down the Palisades into the river.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on October 18, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
New Jersey has been delayed a year.
 http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-new-jersey-grand-prix-formula-one-race-postponed
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on October 18, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
Can't say I'm completely shocked, but having only two years to pull off a race seemed a little soon. That said, usually a permanent racing circuit takes at least three years or so of planning.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 20, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
One of the quotes, in the paragraph blurb our local paper published on this story this morning, was that the organizers "didn't know what they were doing" for why the race was being postponed.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on November 25, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
Sebastian Vettel is world champion for the 3rd consecutive year after finishing sixth today in Brazil. Fernando Alonso finished second both in points and behind Jenson Button in the race.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on November 25, 2012, 05:52:34 PM
That was a crazy race, it was tough to keep track of everything going on!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on November 25, 2012, 06:37:52 PM
I know. I went to make lunch right after the first lap, and by the time I got back into the living room, it was like another race!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on November 25, 2012, 09:39:34 PM
Great race, great season, sad to see Varsha done.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on November 26, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
That was a crazy race, it was tough to keep track of everything going on!
Nothing like a little rain to make F1 interesting.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 24, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Anyone hear David Hobbs mention today how they got a viewer tweet asking about a new addition to one of the graphics? It was mine. So I either got an anonymous shout-out on TV or else I was the only meatball too dumb to figure it out at first glance.

My original tweet from 17:38 yesterday after watching qualy on DVR:

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@1995hoo: @1995hoo: What is this new piece in graphic on #f1onnbc? (See where I'm pointing) @bobvarsha @MrDavidHobbs @stevematchett http://t.co/Wx9UNg9jgQ

Hobbs replied at 19:44 yesterday:

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@MrDavidHobbs: @1995hoo find out tonight

I replied last night:

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@1995hoo: @MrDavidHobbs DVR means I'll find out Sunday :-) Thanks for reply. Upon reflection, I'm guessing number of gear changes per lap.

Varsha from 7:38 this morning; I was asleep and watched the race late this morning/early afternoon on DVR:

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@bobvarsha: “@1995hoo: What is this new graphic on #f1onnbc? @bobvarsha @MrDavidHobbs @stevematchett http://t.co/ayBv68RZfO” gears changes per lap.

Hobbs sent me a follow up at 11:38. I hadn't checked anything online yet to avoid spoilers:

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@MrDavidHobbs: @1995hoo  we think its gear shifts on that lap

My reply to Hobbs at 13:28:

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@1995hoo: @MrDavidHobbs My wife was quite chuffed to hear you say "we received a tweet about it." Thanks, mate!

To which he replied ten minutes ago as I type this:

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@MrDavidHobbs: @1995hoo mon plaisir, say Hi to the boss!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 24, 2013, 10:22:09 PM
I didn't watch the replay because I fell asleep (and woke up in January, apparently...snow had started, but that's for another topic). I thought Varsha was still under contract with Fox.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 25, 2013, 03:05:02 AM
Nice job getting a response from one David Hobbs...glad to have Varsha join the team again.

Also, silly silly Alonso.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 25, 2013, 09:15:59 AM
I didn't watch the replay because I fell asleep (and woke up in January, apparently...snow had started, but that's for another topic). I thought Varsha was still under contract with Fox.

Varsha said at the end of last season he is under contract at FOX and that that was the reason he didn't make the move. Guess they allowed it as a one-off. I think the networks have done that on occasion—isn't there usually some crossover for the Masters?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: InterstateNG on March 25, 2013, 10:21:35 AM
Varsha said he would be calling a couple of other races this season as a fill-in, but didn't specify.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Who called Australia? Leigh Diffey? He, along with Wally Dallenbach of all people (did he even race IndyCars? I know Townsend Bell, the other analyst, has) called the IndyCar race yesterday.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 25, 2013, 12:23:05 PM
Yes, Diffey called Australia and is NBC's regular F1 play-by-play guy except when he's on some other assignment like yesterday.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2013, 04:29:30 PM
Just saw this on Facebook...I hate to be "that guy" but it made me laugh...
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.0.598.391/575751_10151398209422599_677535411_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 26, 2013, 07:48:35 AM
Who called Australia? Leigh Diffey? He, along with Wally Dallenbach of all people (did he even race IndyCars? I know Townsend Bell, the other analyst, has) called the IndyCar race yesterday.

I think he raced in CART a few times, had a few sports-car races under his belt, but his most notable stretch was in NASCAR. His father was primarily a USAC racer before the pre-CART split, and was head of race control  operations (kind of like a similar position that Derek Ongaro, Roland Bruynseraede, et al held) at NASCAR for a while.

Edit: The 316397812768194560[/tweet]]other two (http://[tweet)[/b] planned races for Bob are Spa and Korea.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on August 01, 2013, 08:20:28 PM
http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2013/06/political_insider_weehawken_an.html

Looks like the Grand Prix of New Jersey/New York/North America/whatever is back on.

With a 15-year-contract, supposedly.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 01, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
I didn't know it had been off, just delayed until next year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 30, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
Major bump, but tomorrow marks the 20th anniversary of the death of Ayrton Senna.

http://jalopnik.com/i-was-there-when-senna-died-1569649512
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 30, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
A day I'd like to never re-live, but I'll never forget it.

I remember both days quite vividly; even though it was a work-filled weekend and finals were coming up. My co-worker told me about Roland Ratzenberger's accident in qualifying (he was kind of new to the sport, and he  couldn't remember his name). It wasn't until I watched the 11:00pm news that I'd found out who it was - a fellow who'd tried for a long time to get a lucky break into F1 at the age of 33 - and paid the ultimate price for it all.

I remember there was some nervous tension in me before watching that race live, the start-line accident which injured spectators didn't really help. When Senna's crash occurred, my first thought was how far back in championship he was now going to be.

After about 10 seconds or so, I was talking at the TV: "get out of the car, Senna; that's not a safe place to meditate on your accident." When he didn't move for a few more seconds, I was louder; not quite yelling, but loud enough to mumble uselessly. "Get out, damn it!".

It just couldn't be real; five years earlier, Gerhard Berger nearly burned to death at the same spot, in such ghastly circumstances. He'd live to race a few weekends later. Surely, Senna was going to dust himself off, and be upset, like Monaco in 1988. But still no movement, and like many...I hoped for the best. I didn't remember hearing much about his condition during the race. (As it turned out, ESPN's live broadcast, like the BBC's, was a global feed of RAI Television, and they'd "blocked out" some of the most distressing parts of the injuries.)

I went to work not long after the race was over...I chit-chatted with my co-worker later in the day, both of us having not known his fate by then. We both figured he'd pull though, because he was such an obstinate bad-ass. This was 1994, and nobody else in the area probably knew nor cared about such an obscure sport. Nobody was going to randomly throw a spoiler at you, what with F1 racing being the 79th-most popular spectator sport in America.

I get home late, around 10pm or so, and turn on ESPN. Varsha and Hobbs (the race announcers) are being somberly interviewed on SportsCenter...they're never interviewed. And then I know, that's it.

I took a long, rambling drive to nowhere, on the following day, instead of studying. I think I drove faster than I should have on US 27...Fuck it. I'd gone through a break-up the week before, but as much as I hate to say it, I also realized my life could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 05, 2018, 11:10:03 AM
Reviving this thread after a four-year slumber.

A possible Miami Grand Prix could be on the schedule next year.
http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/23405017/miami-proposed-f1-street-race-all-need-know

Also Red Bull are considering picking up Honda engines next year after several years being unsatisfied with Renault. Honda has seemed to be doing much better with Toro Rosso than they did with McLaren. I wonder, since Red Bull have advertised their Renault engines to be other brands in recent years (Infiniti and TAG Heuer), should they become the Honda works team will they use Mugen or Acura branding instead of Honda. (Full disclosure: since the McLaren-Honda split I’ve abandoned my McLaren fandom. I don’t like how they blamed everything on Honda.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on May 05, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
A possible Miami Grand Prix could be on the schedule next year.
http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/23405017/miami-proposed-f1-street-race-all-need-know

If it's truly going to be downtown, I don't think the roads are all that interesting. Most the old roads from past races around Bayfront Park and Bicentennial Park are no longer there. The planned one just looks like a lot of hairpins.

I really don't see the USGP leaving Austin, either. As each nation can only have one Grand Epreuve, they'll have to get a bit more creative with the title. (Grand Prix of South America? USGP East?)

...and by 2019?

Can't say I'm completely shocked, but having only two years to pull off a race seemed a little soon.

I'm going to stand by this quote.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
The proposed race in New Jersey that never got off the ground was to have been the "Grand Prix of America." Presumably they'd come up with something similar.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 05, 2018, 06:15:20 PM
Yeah, 2019 seems to be very short notice.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 08, 2018, 11:35:05 PM
Back in the 70s, F1 had Grand prixs at Watkins Glen & Long Beach. Watkins got the USGP title, Long Beach was called USGP West.
So there is precedence if Miami wants to be USGP South, or just the GP of Miami (or Florida)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Alps on May 09, 2018, 06:58:10 PM
Back in the 70s, F1 had Grand prixs at Watkins Glen & Long Beach. Watkins got the USGP title, Long Beach was called USGP West.
So there is precedence if Miami wants to be USGP South, or just the GP of Miami (or Florida)
Grands prix. (:
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on May 10, 2018, 03:57:25 PM
I got an e-mail today advertising the new F1 TV Pro service. Problem is, I'd have to watch it on my PC or iPhone (my iPad is older and thus incompatible). No way to watch it on the TV (yet). That's a non-starter for me.

I've noticed that the ESPN broadcasts are hit-or-miss as to showing up on my DVR's to-do list. Have to check constantly, even though I have the auto-recording set up, and some weeks I've had to add it manually. Been a nuisance. That's one reason I might, and I emphasize "might," consider F1's service, IF and only if there were a way to watch it on the TV.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 10, 2018, 05:52:33 PM
Miami has approved the plans for the street race, and Lewis Hamilton has offered to tweak the design of the track.
http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/23463680/miami-approves-plans-2019-formula-one-street-race
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 18, 2018, 09:17:22 PM
Red Bull to Honda
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-honda-engine-deal-1046734/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 02 Park Ave on July 01, 2018, 10:16:33 PM
Was it the track temperature that took its toll today in Austria?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 02, 2018, 11:29:44 PM
Was it the track temperature that took its toll today in Austria?

In regards to the tyres blistering, yes.
As far as the other issues, hydraulics, engines, transmissions, that's hard to say with those items being required to last multiple races.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on July 03, 2018, 06:45:36 AM
Was it the track temperature that took its toll today in Austria?

In regards to the tyres blistering, yes.
As far as the other issues, hydraulics, engines, transmissions, that's hard to say with those items being required to last multiple races.

And the Mercedes teammates didn't try to ram each other off the track, unlike two years ago.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 22, 2021, 09:11:30 PM
I apologize for the massive bump, but since this is just a general F1 thread, it probably makes sense.

My family and I used to be huge fans of F1 back in the 2000s, but I've been on a total F1 kick on YouTube with everything from highlights and Top 10s, to memes as of late, and the 2021 season is scheduled to kick-off next weekend in Bahrain. Anyone on here still interested in the sport, or is it just a Hamilton-takes-all borefest?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 22, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
I apologize for the massive bump, but since this is just a general F1 thread, it probably makes sense.

My family and I used to be huge fans of F1 back in the 2000s, but I've been on a total F1 kick on YouTube with everything from highlights and Top 10s, to memes as of late, and the 2021 season is scheduled to kick-off next weekend in Bahrain. Anyone on here still interested in the sport, or is it just a Hamilton-takes-all borefest?

I’m still watching it. Verstappen set the fastest time in testing last week, leading to renewed hope among some that this will finally be the year he topples Sir Lewis, but I think Mercedes were sandbagging again.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 23, 2021, 07:23:40 AM
I watch it occasionally, but usually I'll just catch up with the highlights. On another forum, we were discussiong how weird it must have been to begin watching the sport last year, and I think that's why it was such a draw for me in the first place: it's a really chaotic sport, though a lot less so over the last 10-15 years.

The new season of Drive to Survive is also now available on Netflix.

I hear the F1 app is terrible for watching the races...but maybe I'm wrong. Is there a way to (legally) watch/stream races later on, like for the next week? (I'm not interested in downloading or torrenting them, to be honest; but I don't want to pay for crap.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 23, 2021, 09:54:44 AM
I usually watch all the races, but last year I didn't watch much. Combination of having other things to do, being bored with it not being competitive, and getting tired of the British commentators' constant Hamilton-worship.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 23, 2021, 03:52:30 PM
I usually watch all the races, but last year I didn't watch much. Combination of having other things to do, being bored with it not being competitive, and getting tired of the British commentators' constant Hamilton-worship.

Some people tend to try and focus more on the midfield competition, as it's more interesting and uncertain as to exactly what will happen. But yes, very tired of Hamilton indeed.

I'm personally interested to see what will happen with Aston Martin and Vettel. Alonso is also returning after two years away. Ferrari needs to make a huge comeback after an embarrassing 2020 season. And finally, Michael Schumacher's son Mick will be joining the grid for the first time at Haas.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 23, 2021, 08:29:44 PM
The midfield will definitely be interesting this year. I expect Ricciardo to finish 5th in the drivers’ standings and possibly even win a race with McMerc. Vettel and Stroll should be good with Aston. Lando is solid. Ferrari and Alpine are wild cards. AlphaTauri should be closer to the rest with the improved (final) Honda engine and a better chassis. Gasly is my favorite driver, and Yuki Tsunoda looks to be the real deal.

I expect the Hamilton worship from the British commentators to continue, especially since he’s been knighted.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 24, 2021, 09:48:38 PM
I apologize for the massive bump, but since this is just a general F1 thread, it probably makes sense.

My family and I used to be huge fans of F1 back in the 2000s, but I've been on a total F1 kick on YouTube with everything from highlights and Top 10s, to memes as of late, and the 2021 season is scheduled to kick-off next weekend in Bahrain. Anyone on here still interested in the sport, or is it just a Hamilton-takes-all borefest?

No worse than the Schumacher/Ferrari borefests of the 00s.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on March 24, 2021, 10:23:06 PM
I feel like the Schumacher/Ferrari borefests were a lot less in your face. I watched a lot of them, but man.  With all respect to Lewis Hamilton who is a great driver, the problems in F1 are in your face.

I took a random sample of 40 years of F1 winners.

1979: Jacques Laffite, Gilles Villenvue, Patrick Depallier, Jody Scheckter, Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Clay Regazzoni, Alan Jones

1989: Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Theirry Boutsen, Gerhard Berger, Alessandro Nannini

1999: Eddie Irvine, Mika Haikken, Michael Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, David Coulthard, Johnny Herbert

2009: Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Rubens Barichello, Kimi Raikkonen

2019: Valtteri Bottas, Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc

We were on a consistent pace, even in the Schumacher/Ferrari era compared to now.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 25, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
I feel like the Schumacher/Ferrari borefests were a lot less in your face. I watched a lot of them, but man.  With all respect to Lewis Hamilton who is a great driver, the problems in F1 are in your face.

One factor is overall reliability; even the best teams and world champions had an "off day" or two with a bad setup, and probably broke down in the races 2-3 times a year. Seeing Toto Wolff yell and curse when his star driver literally had the flu and they were like 150 points ahead of everyone in the Constructor's Championship made me roll my eyes.

The other would be that the top teams are constantly fiddling and developing their cars for each race; while it wasn't unusual for other teams to develop mid-season upgrades every few races, now they're evolving new aerodynamic parts with each race. Obviously, a team needs a big budget and some engineering skills to keep up with that.

The interesting thing is that the gaps between pole position and last in qualifying or the fastest-to-slowest laps has reduced greatly in the past 20 years, so pure anti-competitiveness can be ruled out. Put it in another words, the cars are closer together; so no matter how "bad" Williams looks, or even past teams teams like Manor/Marussia, HRT, or Minardi were in their waning days, they were still much closer to the front than the worst teams in the 1960s through the mid-1990s.

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I took a random sample of 40 years of F1 winners.
1979: Jacques Laffite, Gilles Villenvue, Patrick Depallier, Jody Scheckter, Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Clay Regazzoni, Alan Jones

Pretty competitive season; teams were still figuring out ground-effect and they were fortunate that Lotus over-thought the ground effect process in their new car (the "80") to the opposite extremes by which the suction power was too great, and it literally slowed them down. Ligier was good at first, Williams got better, Renault were up/down a lot, but Ferrari was the most reliable (basically the fastest engine with the least amount of ground effect).

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1989: Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Theirry Boutsen, Gerhard Berger, Alessandro Nannini

The first year of the new 3.5L formula gave some good variety. Only three winners the year before...

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1999: Eddie Irvine, Mika Haikken, Michael Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, David Coulthard, Johnny Herbert

Schumacher's broken leg might have helped with that.

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2009: Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Rubens Barichello, Kimi Raikkonen

Brawn/Honda caught a lucky break but didn't keep developing the car and others figured out how to exploit the blown-diffuser trick.

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2019: Valtteri Bottas, Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc

We were on a consistent pace, even in the Schumacher/Ferrari era compared to now.

Only 4, but out of 20-22 drivers.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Zeffy on March 26, 2021, 09:27:24 AM
I'm pretty sure Mercedes is just playing the whole "oh no we have worse pace this year" thing and this weekend they are going to once again dominate pole position and probably Hamilton finishing P1. That being said, I would love to see Red Bull be a very strong competitor this year to Merc; also hoping Williams lets Russell get his first points because he deserved them! Hoping the season isn't a total snoozefest; it's shaping up to be more competitive at least from the practice session results.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 26, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
I'd like any team to step up or at least make a good fight, but dang it...Verstappen is so very petulant. Good to see Perez in a real top-tier car; but after 2-3 races he has to be on par with or ahead of Max, or Gasly/Albon is getting back in, unless Tsunoda is absolutely phenomenal.

As always, curious to see what Ferrari will do, whether Aston Martin can be a real player or just another Jordan-turned-Spyker, and really interested to see what Mick Schumacher will achieve.

Frankly, my biggest concern is the engine supply and how there's going to be three manufacturers all with their own teams' agendas before the customer teams (though Renault/Alpine hadn't seriously threatened McLaren).

On another note - on this day in 1989, the Ferrari 640 driven by Nigel Mansell won the Brazilian GP, and it was the first for a car with an semi-automatic transmission. Five years later, every car on the grid had them, as the gear changes saved precious fractions of a second on the track.

(https://img.favcars.com/ferrari/formula-1/images_ferrari_formula-1_1989_1_800x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 26, 2021, 05:34:18 PM
FP1 and FP2 results seemed interesting. Red Bull's Super Max on P1 for both sessions. Of course I'm sure Mercedes are probably still doing a bit of sandbagging. Ferrari though was up to P4 in the second practice which was nice to see. Even if Ferrari still struggle some this year, I hope they don't have another seasons like last year. That was embarrassing.


Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 26, 2021, 08:33:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Mercedes is just playing the whole "oh no we have worse pace this year" thing and this weekend they are going to once again dominate pole position and probably Hamilton finishing P1. That being said, I would love to see Red Bull be a very strong competitor this year to Merc; also hoping Williams lets Russell get his first points because he deserved them! Hoping the season isn't a total snoozefest; it's shaping up to be more competitive at least from the practice session results.
Russell got points last year in his Merc appearance. I do think he’ll get a few points this year as Williams don’t look as dreadful as they’ve been the past couple years.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 02 Park Ave on March 27, 2021, 09:52:14 AM
There have been two important changes to the sport since the Schumi era among many.

Back then cars were refueled during the races giving pit stops more importance than they have now.

More importantly, teams selected their own tires then rather than having to make do with what they are required to use now.  That made a big difference.  To make things worse, low profile tires are coming to the sport.

It is truly a different era.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 27, 2021, 10:17:07 AM
The other reason the lack of refueling makes a difference is that it takes away some of the strategy. Back then you had to choose—start with less fuel to make your car lighter to get out in front, or start heavier to allow for a longer first stint. Schumacher usually did the latter and put in really fast laps while the other cars were in the pits or were running heavy after pit stops. That strategy did depend on your pit crew executing flawlessly, of course.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 27, 2021, 10:30:41 AM
Re-fueling definitely added more excitement to the strategies. I understand why it was banned, but it definitely took away something from the sport.

In other news, FP3 had Verstappen on top again, followed by Hamilton, Gasly, Bottas, and Perez.

Qualifying coming up in 30 minutes!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Zeffy on March 27, 2021, 12:04:02 PM
Max on pole! Wow, that was an exciting qualifying. Ferrari showing strong as well, and P5 by Gasly is great to see! However, Perez couldn't get into Q3 which is kind of sad. Mercedes P2 and P3 which is expected at this point, but to see Max on pole instead of Hamilton certainly makes me think this season will be more interesting in regards to Mercedes not running away with it every time.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 27, 2021, 02:41:23 PM
I thought Qualifying was fantastic. It's the first time I've watched a full session for a long time, but it was very entertaining from start to finish. Most interesting notes for me:
Looking forward to tomorrow. Really hoping Max holds the line, and hopefully his teammate can rise through the ranks as well.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 28, 2021, 04:25:39 PM
Didn’t get to watch the race today, but going by what I’ve seen online it was pretty solid. Yuki with points on his debut...he looks like he’s going to be a superstar in the future.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 28, 2021, 05:12:16 PM
It was a very good race, very entertaining indeed... but I am sorely disappointed that Max didn't win.  :-/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Zeffy on March 29, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
It was a very good race, very entertaining indeed... but I am sorely disappointed that Max didn't win.  :-/

Those last few laps had me standing up, adrenaline pumping. I can't believe Lewis held off Max, but to his credit, Lewis raced superbly. I was disappointed in Max as well, but for Red Bull, it sure looks like they can take the fight to Mercedes this year! Also Perez from p20 (!) to p6 (or 5?)... that was a brilliant showing. Ferrari and McLaren did great as well. The field looks much more competitive this time around.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 29, 2021, 09:22:43 AM
Yes, Perez was P5 which was indeed impressive. Makes me wonder how the race could've gone had he qualified higher up and didn't have issues before the start of the race.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 29, 2021, 10:45:30 AM
A darn good drive from Hamilton; it's nice to see a good race start off the season.

Nobody seemed to concerned when Perez stopped on the track and just rebooted the car! Nice drive back for what looked like a DNS in his debut.

Good to see Max return the lead without a fuss after an improper pass.

Vettel looked ordinary after a decent start.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 29, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
Apparently Alonso's retirement was caused by a sandwich wrapper that got stuck in one of the rear brake ducts (https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35966560/sandwich-wrapper-fernando-alonso-f1/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_rdt&utm_medium=email&date=032921&utm_campaign=nl23246011&utm_term=AAA%20--%20High%20Minus%20Dormant%20and%2090%20Day%20Non%20Openers).

Reminds me of the tagline the Charlotte Observer used for many years on its "That's Racin' " website: "that’s racin’ (phrase): Expresses frustration or emotion. 1. When a small part costing just a few dollars fails and stops a $150,000 race car, that’s racin’. 2. When you race a competitor for 500 miles and lose to him by just a few feet, that’s racin’. 3. When a hot dog wrapper blows out of the stands, gets caught across the air vent on the front of your car and causes your engine to overheat, that’s racin’."
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 20, 2021, 08:12:36 PM
After two races, Max and Lewis have one win each, and Lewis leads the WDC by one point due to his fastest lap at Imola.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 20, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
And that race was a banger too. Not gonna lie though, I was hoping Hamilton's little off-track excursion would've led to a DNF. He got extremely lucky once again with the safety car and then red flag. Imagine Toto Wolff if all three of his drivers DNFed!

So far, 2021 is looking to be a great season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 20, 2021, 09:26:05 PM
To quote Bill Burr (who’s an F1 fan), Hamilton’s luck makes you believe in a higher power.

Yes, he’s one of the greatest drivers of all time. But he also seems to get lucky breaks more than anyone.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 20, 2021, 09:49:03 PM
To quote Bill Burr (who’s an F1 fan), Hamilton’s luck makes you believe in a higher power.

Yes, he’s one of the greatest drivers of all time. But he also seems to get lucky breaks more than anyone.

...especially when the two other Mercedes drivers took each other out at a really opportune moment, causing a red flag.

Seriously, that's just good luck because I don't seriously think they'd do that; at least not during just the second race of the year.

How much longer do we give Vettel's season? Does he even make it to the German GP before getting sacked, at this pace?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 21, 2021, 09:09:55 AM
To quote Bill Burr (who’s an F1 fan), Hamilton’s luck makes you believe in a higher power.

Yes, he’s one of the greatest drivers of all time. But he also seems to get lucky breaks more than anyone.

...especially when the two other Mercedes drivers took each other out at a really opportune moment, causing a red flag.

Seriously, that's just good luck because I don't seriously think they'd do that; at least not during just the second race of the year.

How much longer do we give Vettel's season? Does he even make it to the German GP before getting sacked, at this pace?

I don't believe that the Russell/Bottas crash was intentional. They happened at almost literally the same time. And considering their frustrations at each other, as well as the apparent severity of the crash, it was an accident.

As for ol' Seb, we'll have to give him a couple more rounds I think. If he can't pull points, then that won't be good.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 21, 2021, 02:08:07 PM
Honestly, it seems like Vettel has never recovered from his loss in 2018.

(I know that feel, Seb.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 27, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
F1 announced sprint races as a substitute for qualifying at three GP this season.


Thoughts on this announcement? Or shall we just wait and see?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 27, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
Not a fan, but if it’s going to be forced on us anyway I might as well wait and see.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 28, 2021, 03:39:20 PM
Canadian GP date to be replaced by Turkish GP, due to COVID.

https://racer.com/2021/04/28/canadian-grand-prix-cancelled-replaced-by-turkey/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 29, 2021, 06:42:49 AM
Canadian GP date to be replaced by Turkish GP, due to COVID.

https://racer.com/2021/04/28/canadian-grand-prix-cancelled-replaced-by-turkey/
Good on the Canadian government for being unable to make any sort of compromise. We couldn't have just tested everyone when they arrive, that would be ridiculous. </s>

At least Turkey should make for a good replacement, so it's not all bad.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on April 29, 2021, 07:41:54 AM
I wonder what ramifications that might have for the Stanley Cup Playoffs' final two rounds. The first two rounds aren’t a problem because they’ll be in-division only, but the final two rounds might pose an issue.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 29, 2021, 07:26:34 PM
Sir Lewis isn’t retiring after this year.
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/31359142/hamilton-planning-stay-f1-next-year
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 05, 2021, 07:45:03 PM
Romain Grosjean will test a Mercedes W10 and do a demonstration run at the French Grand Prix this year. Great move by Toto and company to keep their word.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-mercedes-test-wolff-french-gp/6502747/

Meanwhile, Patricio O’Ward’s maiden IndyCar win means that he’ll test a McLaren F1 car at Abu Dhabi this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 08, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Romain Grosjean will test a Mercedes W10 and do a demonstration run at the French Grand Prix this year. Great move by Toto and company to keep their word.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-mercedes-test-wolff-french-gp/6502747/

Imagine if Grosjean made a comeback to F1, even for just a season. That would be a great sight to see, though I wonder how his burn injuries would affect his potential. He deserves better than leaving with Haas.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 09, 2021, 12:55:18 AM
I think Hamilton deserves a round of applause for doing the honorable thing and not scoring any points after Verstappen's tire gave out.  :clap: :sombrero:
Also, I can't see Bottas driving for Mercedes after this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 11, 2021, 05:36:53 PM
I think Hamilton deserves a round of applause for doing the honorable thing and not scoring any points after Verstappen's tire gave out.  :clap: :sombrero:
Also, I can't see Bottas driving for Mercedes after this year.

Yes and yes. Russel is definitely going to move to Mercedes. He's more than proved it, and Bottas has not had a good season so far. Granted, the failure in Monaco wasn't his fault, but still. He's had a lot of trouble and if it doesn't change soon, he's definitely gone.

On the other hand, so proud of Vettel being on the podium again! And Perez for picking up his second win. They both deserved it.  :clap:
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 11, 2021, 07:44:03 PM
I can't see Bottas driving for Mercedes after this year.
I can’t either, but I also thought Kimi was going to hang it up by now, so what do I know.

If Kimi does hang it up after this year (emphasis on if), I think Sauber will replace him with Theo Pourchaire, who looks to be the best prospect since Verstappen.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 11, 2021, 11:01:53 PM
On that note, as much as I love Kimi (we all do), I kinda hope he calls it so we can see another rising star get a chance.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 16, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
Esteban Ocon has signed a 3-year extension for Alpine. Finally we can put those ridiculous Gasly rumors to rest. (I love Gasly, but him going to Alpine never felt right to me.)
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/esteban-ocon-signs-new-alpine-f1-deal-until-2024/6575083/

Also former F1 driver Kevin Magnussen will make his IndyCar debut this weekend, subbing for Felix Rosenqvist who was injured in Saturday’s race at Detroit.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 17, 2021, 11:31:42 AM
French driver for a French team. Makes too much sense not to keep that going.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 17, 2021, 09:54:23 PM
Romain Grosjean gives the AlphaTauri a virtual lap of Paul Ricard. As boring as the race usually is, it does look fun to drive.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on July 07, 2021, 01:44:02 PM
Carlos Reutemann has died, age 79.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ex-f1-racer-carlos-reutemann-dies-at-age-79/6627349/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 10, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
In terms of upcoming news, the first trial for Sprint Race Qualifying will be next weekend at the British Grand Prix.

I don't feel like it's going to work out well, but it might be worth a shot. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on July 13, 2021, 07:45:23 AM
Thanks for the reminder. I’ve had trouble finding time to watch qualifying this year, but given the different format, this week I’ll have to find a way.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: ET21 on July 15, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
I watched the Indy Qualifiers a few weeks back at Road America, my first visit to the track. That was so much fun
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 15, 2021, 09:41:14 AM
2022 car reveal from F1 will be starting in about 20 minutes on YouTube!

Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 15, 2021, 12:01:34 PM
I watched the Indy Qualifiers a few weeks back at Road America, my first visit to the track. That was so much fun

Been to countless Indy 500s but never to a road course race. Really would like to see one sometime.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 29, 2021, 12:56:13 PM
After today's "rainout," has the FIA and Formula 1 ever thought of just postponing a race till Monday? American series do this. Why not them?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 29, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
Which was a bigger farce: Indianapolis 2005 or Spa 2021?

I could see arguments for both. The weather today clearly made racing untenable, but Hamilton had a valid point that it’s a bit absurd just to run three laps behind the safety car purely so that you can award half points. Indianapolis only had six cars start, but in theory those cars did go out and race.

Kind of makes you wonder whether they could have done like NASCAR and just postponed to tomorrow, seeing as how the next race isn’t all that long a distance for the team haulers.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 29, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
Today was a bigger farce. At Indy, at least the cars that did start were able to run the full distance and at speed.

I missed the broadcast. What was today’s podium ceremony like? I’m imagining a repeat of Indy, with Verstappen and Hamilton quickly exiting after the anthems while Russell celebrates his first career podium like Monteiro did.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 30, 2021, 07:39:43 AM
They actually sprayed the sparkling wine (it’s not real Champagne this year), I think mainly for Russell.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 31, 2021, 12:02:24 AM
They actually sprayed the sparkling wine (it’s not real Champagne this year), I think mainly for Russell.

Ah, yes, the only Ferrari that’s actually consistently been on the podium this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on August 31, 2021, 08:01:35 AM
25-30 years ago, they would have started the race. Even in 1997, they did a few laps behind the safety car and then let them go.

They probably would have still done a half-points race and it might have been somewhat farcical like 1991 Adelaide, but who knows? I think knowing how treacherous Eau Rouge and Radillion could be in the wet, they had to make these decisions.

Really just should have run it the next day, since the logistics of going to Zandvoort weren't going to be greatly affected (as opposed to the 24-hour disruption caused by flying out the teams and equipment halfway around the globe).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 31, 2021, 01:40:40 PM
I think the reason they didn’t opt to run it Monday was because the marshals are volunteers, and while Monday was a bank holiday in some countries in Europe, Belgium wasn’t one of them.

At any rate, silly season rumors are hitting full swing all of a sudden. According to journalist Dieter Rencken (https://racingnews365.com/russell-set-for-mercedes-switch-as-bottas-and-ilott-line-up-for-alfa-romeo-seats), George Russell is indeed getting the Mercedes seat, with Bottas replacing the retiring Kimi Raikkonen at Alfa Romeo. Formula E champion Nyck de Vries (or possibly Callum Ilott or Theo Pourchaire) would go into the other Alfa seat, with Antonio Giovinazzi off to Ferrari’s upcoming hypercar program in 2023. Alex Albon would replace Russell at Williams. I’d be surprised if all of this is true. At this rate I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Bottas stays at Mercedes.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on September 01, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
Man, I really hope Albon gets another chance at F1. I believe he could pull a Gasly and redeem himself. He also was a lot of fun to watch with his ballsy outside passes!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 01, 2021, 01:00:28 PM
Raikkonen has just announced his retirement.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kimi-raikkonen-retirement-formula-1-2021/6658463/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on September 08, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
I think the reason they didn’t opt to run it Monday was because the marshals are volunteers, and while Monday was a bank holiday in some countries in Europe, Belgium wasn’t one of them.

At any rate, silly season rumors are hitting full swing all of a sudden. According to journalist Dieter Rencken (https://racingnews365.com/russell-set-for-mercedes-switch-as-bottas-and-ilott-line-up-for-alfa-romeo-seats), George Russell is indeed getting the Mercedes seat, with Bottas replacing the retiring Kimi Raikkonen at Alfa Romeo. Formula E champion Nyck de Vries (or possibly Callum Ilott or Theo Pourchaire) would go into the other Alfa seat, with Antonio Giovinazzi off to Ferrari’s upcoming hypercar program in 2023. Alex Albon would replace Russell at Williams. I’d be surprised if all of this is true. At this rate I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Bottas stays at Mercedes.

As of today, most of this has come true. :clap: Just waiting on the news for the second Alfa seat (Gio or someone else?).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on September 08, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
I started following F1 just after they stopped going to Zandvoort; even modified, it's nice to have a real racing track with some history back in the fold.

Good to see Albon get another shot in the piranha club.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 08, 2021, 11:45:24 PM
I started following F1 just after they stopped going to Zandvoort; even modified, it's nice to have a real racing track with some history back in the fold.

Good to see Albon get another shot in the piranha club.

Zandvoort looks like a lot of fun to drive, and reminds me of some local back roads, but aside from Checo knifing through the field the racing left a bit to be desired.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on October 08, 2021, 06:58:33 PM
Multiple sources are reporting that Michael Andretti is getting close to buying the Sauber group. Some of those sources are saying that he’d bring Colton Herta to F1 for the second Alfa seat.
https://racer.com/2021/10/08/andretti-set-for-further-sauber-f1-takeover-talks-in-austin/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on October 27, 2021, 12:29:38 AM
According to David Land, the previous rumor of Andretti buying Sauber is dead, so no Colton Herta in F1 anytime soon, but Florida’s own Logan Sargeant has signed a development deal with Williams, and will likely move up to F2 next year.
https://racer.com/2021/10/22/americas-sargeant-joins-williams-racing-driver-academy/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on November 16, 2021, 12:48:40 PM
Official confirmation that Giovinazzi will be replaced with Zhou at Alfa Romeo next year:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alfa-romeo-announce-guanyu-zhou-as-valtteri-bottass-team-mate-for.3FGtpRMOhG1qZ4Qinr8ky6.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alfa-romeo-announce-guanyu-zhou-as-valtteri-bottass-team-mate-for.3FGtpRMOhG1qZ4Qinr8ky6.html)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 12, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
So....does Michael Massi stay on as Sporting Director* for F1 for next year and beyond?
* - Sporting Director = Referee for each race
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 12, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
So....does Michael Massi stay on as Sporting Director* for F1 for next year and beyond?
* - Sporting Director = Referee for each race


Yeah, he needs to go. He broke his streak of 50,000 consecutive rulings in Mercedes' favor. Can't have a director making any rulings not in Mercedes' favor.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on December 12, 2021, 01:24:11 PM
Well, at least they didn't crash into each other on the last lap.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on December 13, 2021, 10:44:37 AM
So....does Michael Massi stay on as Sporting Director* for F1 for next year and beyond?
* - Sporting Director = Referee for each race

I hope they can reform the stewarding in general. Every week their decisions seem to be different from the week before. The lack of consistency is painful.

Well, at least they didn't crash into each other on the last lap.

Yeah I'm really impressed that Hamilton almost caught up on the second straight on old hards! I thought Max's tire advantage would be more substantial.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on December 13, 2021, 07:12:33 PM
I’m happy Max won, but not like that.

In other news, there’s a young driver test coming up later this week. Florida’s own Logan Sargeant will be testing for Williams, Pato O’Ward from McLaren’s IndyCar team will be testing their F1 car, Liam Lawson will test for Alpha Tauri, Guanyu Zhou will debut for Alfa Romeo, and Robert Shwartzman will test for both Haas and Ferrari. I know there are others, but I can’t remember them.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on December 16, 2021, 02:36:01 PM
Mercedes team statement from today: https://t.co/tgrBjrNkcz (https://t.co/tgrBjrNkcz)
Quote
Dear Formula 1 community and fans,

We left Abu Dhabi in disbelief of what we had just witnessed. Of course, it's part of the game to lose a race, but it's something different when you lose faith in racing.

Together with Lewis, we have deliberated carefully over how to respond to the events at the Formula 1 season finale. We have always been guided by our love of this sport and we believe that every competition should be won on merit. In the race on Sunday many felt, us included, that the way things unfolded was not right.

The reason we protested the race result on Sunday was because the Safety Car regulations were applied in a new way that affected the race result, after Lewis had been in a commanding lead and on course to win the World Championship.

We appealed in the interest of sporting fairness, and we have since been in a constructive dialogue with the FIA and Formula 1 to create clarity for the future, so that all competitors know the rules under which they are racing, and how they will be enforced. Thus, we welcome the decision by the FIA to install a commission to thoroughly analyse what happened in Abu Dhabi and to improve the robustness of rules, governance and decision making in Formula 1. We also welcome that they have invited the teams and drivers to take part.

The Mercedes-AMG Petronas team will actively work with this commission to build a better Formula 1 - for every team and every fan who loves this sport as much as we do. We will hold the FIA accountable for this process and we hereby withdraw our appeal.

To Max Verstappen and Red Bull Racing: we would like to express our sincere respect for your achievements this season. You made this Formula 1 Championship title fight truly epic. Max, we congratulate you and your entire team. We look forward to taking the fight to you on the track next season.

And lastly, even though this Drivers' Championship did not end the way we hoped, we could not be prouder of our team.

Lewis, you are the greatest racer in the history of Formula 1 and you drove your heart out for every lap of this incredible season. You're a flawless sportsman on and off the track and you delivered a faultless performance. As a pure competitor and as a role model for millions around the world, we salute you.

Valtteri, you have been such an important part of this team, delivering five Constructors' Championships in five seasons. Thank you for your remarkable contribution to our motorsport history. Kiitos, Valtteri.

Finally, to every one of the skilled and passionate women and men of the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team in Brackley and High Performance Powertrains in Brixworth: you've written an historic chapter in the Silver Arrow story by winning the eighth Constructors' Championship - in a row. This is an unprecedented achievement. In simple words: it's awesome. You are awesome.



On a different note, I just got my tickets for the Montreal GP. Hopefully it goes ahead this year! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on December 17, 2021, 06:17:35 PM
According to Toto, Lewis isn’t sure if he’s coming back next year. (I personally think this is posturing and that not only will Lewis be back next year, but he’s going to rewrite the record book.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on December 17, 2021, 06:34:22 PM
The season's over but the media really wants to drag out every little bit of an issue because the off-season is going to be quiet for three months. Every seat for next year is filled and testing is limited.

It will be interesting to see how the new technical regulations shape up next season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2022, 11:32:20 AM
On a different note, I just got my tickets for the Montreal GP. Hopefully it goes ahead this year! :thumbsup:

I'm hoping to get the chance to go down to COTA to see the US GP this year. I've never been down there, and my last race I was at was the legendary 2011 Canadian GP.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on January 11, 2022, 03:56:34 PM
On a different note, I just got my tickets for the Montreal GP. Hopefully it goes ahead this year! :thumbsup:

I'm hoping to get the chance to go down to COTA to see the US GP this year. I've never been down there, and my last race I was at was the legendary 2011 Canadian GP.

I actually went to COTA in 2021 as my first race. Thankfully, the timing was perfect between the Delta and Omicron waves, so me and few others flew down and managed to test negative for the flight home. :) If you end up driving to the circuit, I'd recommend reserving parking at Chris Taylor Racing Services (Google link (https://g.page/ChrisTaylorRacing?share)). It was a good price and much quicker to get in/out compared to the official lots (and the walk isn't too bad). The traffic on the farm roads in and out was still a pain though!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 04, 2022, 08:09:49 AM
The first of the car liveries (to keep us going through the off-season) is Haas. It's very similar to last year's.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-haas-become-first-team-to-reveal-2022-car-and-livery.6hTev2bioqDq0QuojBQXp9.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-haas-become-first-team-to-reveal-2022-car-and-livery.6hTev2bioqDq0QuojBQXp9.html)

Keep in mind, as mentioned in the article:
Quote
It is anticipated that the car will look noticeably different to what the digital renderings show, with teams keen to keep significant parts of their design under wraps as long as possible, to avoid giving away any clever ideas they have had when designing to the all-new rules to their rivals.

(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/HaasVF22Launch/MAZ%20Front.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/HaasVF22Launch/MSC%20Side.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/HaasVF22Launch/MSC%20Rear.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on February 04, 2022, 09:03:52 AM
Keep in mind, as mentioned in the article:
Quote
It is anticipated that the car will look noticeably different to what the digital renderings show, with teams keen to keep significant parts of their design under wraps as long as possible, to avoid giving away any clever ideas they have had when designing to the all-new rules to their rivals.

I was thinking how simplistic the new designs have become, but then I read that and now I'm a little less surprised.

Haas seems to be running on a lack of sponsorship, which I thought was the reason for having a pay-driver (maybe one-and-a-half?) in the first place.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 09, 2022, 12:30:53 PM
Keep in mind, as mentioned in the article:
Quote
It is anticipated that the car will look noticeably different to what the digital renderings show, with teams keen to keep significant parts of their design under wraps as long as possible, to avoid giving away any clever ideas they have had when designing to the all-new rules to their rivals.

I was thinking how simplistic the new designs have become, but then I read that and now I'm a little less surprised.

Haas seems to be running on a lack of sponsorship, which I thought was the reason for having a pay-driver (maybe one-and-a-half?) in the first place.

Uralkali (Mazepin's sponsor) must be doing some heavy lifting in terms of funding.



Second livery reveal: Red Bull! Not surprisingly, very similar to their previous livery, but their new sponsor Oracle now has prominent logos on the sides and rear wing. It's also exciting to see Max's #1 on the nose!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.revealed-red-bull-show-off-verstappens-2022-title-defence-challenger-the.4W2MaPHNlelufO6uuIeCDH.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.revealed-red-bull-show-off-verstappens-2022-title-defence-challenger-the.4W2MaPHNlelufO6uuIeCDH.html)

(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/RedBullRB18/SI202202090260_hires_jpeg_24bit_rgb.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/RedBullRB18/SI202202090248_hires_jpeg_24bit_rgb.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/RedBullRB18/SI202202090258_hires_jpeg_24bit_rgb.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/RedBullRB18/SI202202090259_hires_jpeg_24bit_rgb.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 10, 2022, 09:46:42 AM
Another day, another car launch, this time being Aston Martin!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-aston-martin-reveal-2022-car-with-revised-livery.34DZACb63lmdQdguSdl8YF.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-aston-martin-reveal-2022-car-with-revised-livery.34DZACb63lmdQdguSdl8YF.html)

The pink stripe has switched to lime green (since BWT has left the team) and Aramco is a new sponsor this year (prominently shown on the back of the rear wing and several other spots). The textured sidepods look really cool, hopefully they make it to the real track car.

(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AstonMartinAMR22/4df406c2-4f0f-7767-04ba-a4c17b8077d8.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AstonMartinAMR22/Sideon.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AstonMartinAMR22/6762_LS_AM_F1_ST_007_04a_w4_F_RGB_LYRD_AML-1-1%20copy.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AstonMartinAMR22/Front%20on.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)

Though the highlight of the article is this:
Quote
They will be led by new Team Principal Mike Krack
(poor guy :-D)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 11, 2022, 02:56:56 PM
Last car launch of the week: McLaren!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-mclaren-showcase-bold-new-livery-as-they-reveal-2022-challenger-the.5etd9Tgo3ivFuzQIJFNt5r.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-mclaren-showcase-bold-new-livery-as-they-reveal-2022-challenger-the.5etd9Tgo3ivFuzQIJFNt5r.html)

The blue is a lighter shade now. I wish the driver numbers were in black though - or at least outlined in black (bright blue on orange is tough to read)!
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/McLarenMCL36/MCL36_Launch_3_3Q_LN_Velo.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/McLarenMCL36/MCL36_Launch_5_Overhead_LN_Velo.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/McLarenMCL36/MCL36_Launch_4_front_High_DR_Velo.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/McLarenMCL36/MCL36_Launch_2_front_LN_Velo.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)



BWT is now a sponsor of Alpine, and there's going to be pink on the car. We'll have to wait until Feb. 21st to see how that turns out. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpine-set-for-blue-and-pink-livery-as-bwt-becomes-title-sponsor/8074293/ (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpine-set-for-blue-and-pink-livery-as-bwt-becomes-title-sponsor/8074293/)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 14, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
#5/10: AlphaTauri!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alphatauri-reveal-their-2022-f1-car-the-at03.4GpOH3Dkx0KqfrzpWobyWk.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alphatauri-reveal-their-2022-f1-car-the-at03.4GpOH3Dkx0KqfrzpWobyWk.html)

Feels like a mix of the 2020 mostly-white livery and the 2021 mostly-navy blue livery.
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlphaTauri/side.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlphaTauri/front.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlphaTauri/main.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlphaTauri/SI202202140097_news.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlphaTauri/SI202202140098_news.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 15, 2022, 10:00:42 AM
#6/10: Williams!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.williams-reveal-striking-blue-2022-livery-for-their-fw44-challenger.3DSWgBoRZ1LRjwPC1PQ3bx.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.williams-reveal-striking-blue-2022-livery-for-their-fw44-challenger.3DSWgBoRZ1LRjwPC1PQ3bx.html)

Quite a change from last years (which itself was a big change from 2020)! This is personally one of my favourites out of the ones we've seen so far. The red accents are an interesting touch. Hopefully it doesn't look too similar to Alpine's livery.
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Williams/Williams-Racing-FW44---Image-3.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Williams/Williams-Racing-FW44---Image-6.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Williams/Williams-Racing-FW44---Image-2.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Williams/Williams-Racing-FW44---Image-11.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on February 15, 2022, 11:40:57 AM
Back when Frank Williams was entering "customer cars" as a privateer, the team painted their cars dark blue. It kind of annoyed Brabham that they were performing better than they were with the same cars, back around 1969...

(https://vennmotorsport.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/piers-courage-1.jpg)

(Any excuse to post Piers Courage at the Nürburgring's Flugplatz is a good excuse.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 17, 2022, 09:25:47 AM
(Any excuse to post Piers Courage at the Nürburgring's Flugplatz is a good excuse.)

Thanks for sharing, that's a sweet photo! Crazy to see how much more dangerous the F1 cars were back then.

On the same day of their launch, Williams brought out the real car at Silverstone (for some reason the launch photos were the F1 show car). This photo looks amazing!
(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/254Aggn0/s6/formula-1-williams-launch-2022-2.jpg)



But back to today's news, it's launch #7: Ferrari!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ferrari-unveil-2022-challenger-the-f1-75.3U7sFyNrXBxlhDo9XYX4jO.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ferrari-unveil-2022-challenger-the-f1-75.3U7sFyNrXBxlhDo9XYX4jO.html)

Ferrari is going with a black and red livery this year, and the red is a deeper shade than last year's. The side pods have a unique shape you can see well in the third photo (very concave along the top).
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Ferrari/F1-75_JPG_SPONSOR_00004.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Ferrari/F1-75_JPG_SPONSOR_00003.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Ferrari/F1-75_JPG_SPONSOR_00001.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on February 17, 2022, 09:44:57 AM
Ferrari seems to be echoing 1983-1992, with the red/black livery design.

Alpha Tauru seems to be going to the 1980s Brabham well, but they're unrelated.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on February 18, 2022, 12:17:33 AM
So Michael Masi did get removed as F1 race director after all.
It appears to be a complete remodel for F1 race control system going forth.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-removes-masi-announces-new-virtual-f1-race-control-system/8254024/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 18, 2022, 01:08:28 PM
So Michael Masi did get removed as F1 race director after all.
It appears to be a complete remodel for F1 race control system going forth.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-removes-masi-announces-new-virtual-f1-race-control-system/8254024/

Hopefully these changes reduce the inconsistency between races (time will tell)!



Launch #8: Mercedes!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-launch-hamilton-and-russells-championship-contender-the-w13.10qDf3lwvFRBwTnfpvZKb2.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-launch-hamilton-and-russells-championship-contender-the-w13.10qDf3lwvFRBwTnfpvZKb2.html)

It appears the images in this article are simply the livery on the F1 show car. I'm happy to see the return of silver and I think they nicely incorporated last year's black too. I still find Ineos' red a bit too "clashing" with the rest of the colours (particularly on the rear wing), but otherwise I think it's looking pretty sharp!
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Mercedes/01_W13_Front_GR_AKK.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Mercedes/03_W13_FrontRight_GR_Akk.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Mercedes/06_W13_Overhead_GR_AKK.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Mercedes/04_W13_RearRight_LH.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)

EDIT:
Here's a photo comparing the car shown in the livestream (above - closer to the real car) vs. the F1 show car render (below).
(https://i.redd.it/yibftvojcki81.jpg)
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/sve6e2/two_different_cars_that_mercedes_launched/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/sve6e2/two_different_cars_that_mercedes_launched/)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on February 18, 2022, 08:18:51 PM
The idea that many teams are not showing off their actual car but just a test mule to show they're making a new car to 2022 regulations...such is the evolution of the cars from concept to now (and probably a little different by the first race in Bahrain).

F1 never really tried to make a "spec" template car, so I suppose the teams used it as an opportunity to drum up sponsorship by dressing up an older car.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on February 19, 2022, 01:01:33 PM
Michael Andretti is planning to enter his own F1 team starting in 2024 after his attempt to take over Sauber failed.
https://racer.com/2022/02/18/michael-andretti-targets-f1-team-entry-in-2024/

His father Mario broke the news, and has an interview with Chris Medland about some deeper plans for it.
https://racer.com/2022/02/19/exclusive-mario-andretti-on-andretti-f1-game-plan/

As with the Sauber attempt, Colton Herta would likely be one of the drivers.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 22, 2022, 09:28:09 AM
Michael Andretti is planning to enter his own F1 team starting in 2024 after his attempt to take over Sauber failed.
https://racer.com/2022/02/18/michael-andretti-targets-f1-team-entry-in-2024/

I hope this works out! It would be great to have two more drivers on the grid!



I'm a day late (didn't feel like posting on the holiday), but here's launch #9: Alpine!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alpine-unveil-blue-and-pink-2022-challenger-the-a522.37RIZP9p7FyPIFrS1bwIzv.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alpine-unveil-blue-and-pink-2022-challenger-the-a522.37RIZP9p7FyPIFrS1bwIzv.html)

For the first two races, they'll be using a predominately pink car.
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/2022%20-%20BWT%20Alpine%20F1%20Team%20-%20Launch%20A522%20-%20Pink%20single%20seater%20(4).jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/2022%20-%20BWT%20Alpine%20F1%20Team%20-%20Launch%20A522%20-%20Pink%20single%20seater%20(2).jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/2022%20-%20BWT%20Alpine%20F1%20Team%20-%20Launch%20A522%20-%20Pink%20single%20seater%20(1).jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/2022%20-%20BWT%20Alpine%20F1%20Team%20-%20Launch%20A522%20-%20Pink%20single%20seater.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/2022%20-%20BWT%20Alpine%20F1%20Team%20-%20Launch%20A522%20-%20Pink%20single%20seater%20(3).jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)

After Jeddah, they'll be switching to their main blue and pink livery. Personally I prefer the mainly pink one (I think the blue and pink version just looks awkward), but hopefully it'll grow on me. The pink also looks a bit darker on this one, but that might just be the render colours being off (the previous one looks more like BWT pink to me).
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/A522%20B%20Front.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/A522%20B%20Side.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/A522%20B%20F3Q.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/A522%20B%20Top.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlpineLaunch/A522%20B%20R3Q.jpg.transform/4col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on February 22, 2022, 12:47:57 PM
It looks like Alpine missed an opportunity to blend purple/violet hues into the blue and pink with that yahoo! sponsorship.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on February 25, 2022, 08:48:53 AM
The BBC reports (https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60523049) the FIA announced the cancellation of this year's Russian GP in view of current events and that Haas have removed Uralkali's sponsorship from their cars, trailers, etc. Unclear whether Mazepin will remain a Haas driver this season—the team appear keen to distance themselves from Mazepin's father, who has close ties to Putin.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on February 27, 2022, 09:08:22 PM
The last of the ten car reveals was today: Alfa Romeo!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alfa-romeo-unveil-bold-new-livery-for-2022.3sCyQeW5SPD20W9AeIFD2D.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alfa-romeo-unveil-bold-new-livery-for-2022.3sCyQeW5SPD20W9AeIFD2D.html)

Personally I've been a fan of their recent liveries and I think they've done another great job this year. The shade of glossy red, the classic "Alfa Romeo" font, and the Italian flag on the rear wing are all awesome! My only nitpick is I wish the Orlen logo on the sidepods was the same shade of red as the car.

(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Front_Dynamic_ZHO_8000x6000_300DPI.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Front_High_8000x6000_300DPI.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Top_8000x6000_300DPI.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg)
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Rear_Right_ZHO_8000x6000_300DPI.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 05, 2022, 01:08:39 PM
Haas dropped Mazepin. Replacement TBA.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 05, 2022, 02:47:17 PM
Haas dropped Mazepin. Replacement TBA.

Probably Pietro Fittipaldi, but Antonio Giovinazzi makes more sense (he's in an IndyCar contract, though).

Would be interesting to see if Alpine can write a big enough check for tester Oscar Piastri to get some experience.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 08, 2022, 12:51:37 PM
Haas dropped Mazepin. Replacement TBA.

Probably Pietro Fittipaldi, but Antonio Giovinazzi makes more sense (he's in an IndyCar contract, though).

Would be interesting to see if Alpine can write a big enough check for tester Oscar Piastri to get some experience.

Gio is in Formula E, not IndyCar (Callum Ilott might be who you’re thinking of).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 08, 2022, 02:06:33 PM
Haas dropped Mazepin. Replacement TBA.

Probably Pietro Fittipaldi, but Antonio Giovinazzi makes more sense (he's in an IndyCar contract, though).

Would be interesting to see if Alpine can write a big enough check for tester Oscar Piastri to get some experience.

Gio is in Formula E, not IndyCar.

Right, my mistake.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 08, 2022, 07:31:29 PM
The latest rumor is that Nico Hulkenberg is the front runner for the Haas seat. Maybe Germany’s 1&1, one of the most prominent sponsors on the car, offered to up their sponsorship if Haas signed another German driver.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on March 09, 2022, 01:07:31 PM
Kevin Magnussen is returning to Haas:
https://mobile.twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1501616161301184515?t=7zjgPZkybe9C_mLr5YnWuQ&s=19 (https://mobile.twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1501616161301184515?t=7zjgPZkybe9C_mLr5YnWuQ&s=19)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 11:44:16 AM
Colton Herta has signed a development deal with McLaren. Michael Andretti has offered his support. It’s worth noting that Andretti and McLaren CEO Zak Brown co-own a team in Australia’s Supercars series.
https://racer.com/2022/03/12/mclaren-signs-herta-to-formula-1-development-deal/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on March 17, 2022, 10:32:09 AM
Vettel tested positive for Covid, so Aston Martin's reserve driver Hulkenberg will be replacing him for this weekend.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-vettel-to-be-replaced-by-hulkenberg-for-2022-bahrain-gp-after.5pgESYwenU9KPErL3MfFRz.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-vettel-to-be-replaced-by-hulkenberg-for-2022-bahrain-gp-after.5pgESYwenU9KPErL3MfFRz.html)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 26, 2022, 03:48:43 PM
So who watched quali today? Might have been the craziest one for some time. Lots of emotions.

I just hope Mick is truly okay and doesn't have any internal injuries. Waiting for the "ok" was really concerning. His mum was probably hysterical.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 26, 2022, 07:05:08 PM
Mick has been withdrawn from the race, and Haas will only be running Magnussen tomorrow.

A weekend to forget for F1 so far, aside from Perez finally taking his first pole.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 27, 2022, 09:12:12 AM
Mick has been withdrawn from the race, and Haas will only be running Magnussen tomorrow.

A weekend to forget for F1 so far, aside from Perez finally taking his first pole.

I don't really care what anyone thinks, but I'm also relieved to see Hamilton out of the picture in the front for a change. Last time he was out in Q1 on pure pace was Silverstone 2009.

But yes, this weekend has been very bad overall for Formula 1. They should cancel their contract here and never return.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 27, 2022, 04:06:58 PM
Turned out to be a pretty good race after all that. LeClerc sandbagging Verstappen just before the DRS detection point was brilliant, even if in the end it didn’t make a difference.

I read somewhere that there are plans for the race to move to another yet-unbuilt circuit, but I don’t know the status of that nor recall where the other circuit was to be (other than, for obvious reasons, it can’t be in Mecca).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 27, 2022, 05:17:42 PM
Turned out to be a pretty good race after all that. LeClerc sandbagging Verstappen just before the DRS detection point was brilliant, even if in the end it didn’t make a difference.

I read somewhere that there are plans for the race to move to another yet-unbuilt circuit, but I don’t know the status of that nor recall where the other circuit was to be (other than, for obvious reasons, it can’t be in Mecca).
Qiddiya. It’s supposed to be part of a larger entertainment complex, including a theme park. The track is planned to be 7 km long, and incorporate a figure 8 section like Suzuka.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 31, 2022, 12:01:53 AM
Just in tonight: F1 will be racing on the streets of Las Vegas in 2023!

Here's the proposed circuit layout:
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on March 31, 2022, 04:15:14 PM
Circuit layout looks a bit plain, but the atmosphere of a night race should be cool to watch. From what I hear, the plan is to start at 10pm on Saturday in late November. A few concerns:
a) That's a start time of 1am ET. If so, I'll just watch it Sunday morning, but it's a bit disappointing to not be able to watch the race live when it's in the US.
b) Vegas at night in late November will be pretty cold. It could present issues for the tires.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 31, 2022, 05:52:58 PM
Circuit layout looks a bit plain, but the atmosphere of a night race should be cool to watch. From what I hear, the plan is to start at 10pm on Saturday in late November. A few concerns:
a) That's a start time of 1am ET. If so, I'll just watch it Sunday morning, but it's a bit disappointing to not be able to watch the race live when it's in the US.
b) Vegas at night in late November will be pretty cold. It could present issues for the tires.

I agree about the track layout. Feels like Monza but with more basic corners. If only they could add some sort of extra chicane somewhere.

I think the start time is a bit odd. 10pm MST is insanely late, meaning the podium ceremonies would be wrapping up around midnight. Running the race in Vegas on Saturday night does make sense. But pushing the start time forward by 2-3 hours would make a world of difference. Right now, the start time is almost as bad as the next race in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on March 31, 2022, 10:37:49 PM
Circuit layout looks a bit plain, but the atmosphere of a night race should be cool to watch. From what I hear, the plan is to start at 10pm on Saturday in late November. A few concerns:
a) That's a start time of 1am ET. If so, I'll just watch it Sunday morning, but it's a bit disappointing to not be able to watch the race live when it's in the US.
b) Vegas at night in late November will be pretty cold. It could present issues for the tires.

I agree about the track layout. Feels like Monza but with more basic corners. If only they could add some sort of extra chicane somewhere.

I think the start time is a bit odd. 10pm MST is insanely late, meaning the podium ceremonies would be wrapping up around midnight. Running the race in Vegas on Saturday night does make sense. But pushing the start time forward by 2-3 hours would make a world of difference. Right now, the start time is almost as bad as the next race in Melbourne.

Las Vegas is actually on PST. Both the Vegas and Australian races will start at the same time (1am ET Sunday) which feels crazy considering the distance between them. But they don't want the race too early for Europe.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 01, 2022, 08:26:51 AM
Circuit layout looks a bit plain, but the atmosphere of a night race should be cool to watch. From what I hear, the plan is to start at 10pm on Saturday in late November. A few concerns:
a) That's a start time of 1am ET. If so, I'll just watch it Sunday morning, but it's a bit disappointing to not be able to watch the race live when it's in the US.
b) Vegas at night in late November will be pretty cold. It could present issues for the tires.

I agree about the track layout. Feels like Monza but with more basic corners. If only they could add some sort of extra chicane somewhere.

I think the start time is a bit odd. 10pm MST is insanely late, meaning the podium ceremonies would be wrapping up around midnight. Running the race in Vegas on Saturday night does make sense. But pushing the start time forward by 2-3 hours would make a world of difference. Right now, the start time is almost as bad as the next race in Melbourne.
Las Vegas is actually on PST. Both the Vegas and Australian races will start at the same time (1am ET Sunday) which feels crazy considering the distance between them. But they don't want the race too early for Europe.

Oh nice, so make that another midnight race for me.

They're trying to play both lanes here then. Appeal to Americans, but still make it more convenient for Europeans to watch. Can't they suffer with having to get up in the middle of the night for a change?  :spin:

At least it'll be Saturday into Sunday.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 01, 2022, 09:10:10 AM
Can't we make them suffer with a 7am or 11pm race for once?

Actually, a 2pm start time puts a larger dent in my day than a 7-8am start. Putting it on a Saturday will help. (The last Saturday F1 race was back in 1985.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on April 01, 2022, 09:15:29 AM
Can't we make them suffer with a 7am or 11pm race for once?

Actually, a 2pm start time puts a larger dent in my day than a 7-8am start. Putting it on a Saturday will help. (The last Saturday F1 race was back in 1985.)

Yes I'm happy to live on the west side of the world for F1. Most of the races are in the morning, so I can start streaming the race whenever I wake up on Sunday morning, which leaves the rest of the day free to do whatever. The far east (ex: New Zealand) has it really rough with most races being early Monday morning.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 04, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
The Miami GP is coming up this weekend! Any Floridians had an opportunity to check out the circuit? Is anyone here going to the race by chance?

Otherwise, anyone have any thoughts about the event or the track? I saw a YouTube video where the guy took some drone shots and it's looking decent. The fake marina is tacky, but the rest of the stuff he showed looked nice. We'll see how good the circuit layout is for racing, but aesthetically it's cool. It's also cool to see the track interweave with some of the Turnpike ramps.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
People complained about having an F1 race in a car park in Las Vegas 40 years ago. We'll see how they react this time.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on May 06, 2022, 08:01:51 AM
People complained about having an F1 race in a car park in Las Vegas 40 years ago. We'll see how they react this time.

Sochi, Valencia, and Albert Park were/are similarly flat and use parking lots in their layout. I think there's just too many business owners and local folks who don't want the week-long disruption of closing downtown Miami.

Ironically, both F1 races at Caesar's Palace were title-deciders which gave decent racing.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 06, 2022, 09:49:47 AM
People complained about having an F1 race in a car park in Las Vegas 40 years ago. We'll see how they react this time.

Sochi, Valencia, and Albert Park were/are similarly flat and use parking lots in their layout. I think there's just too many business owners and local folks who don't want the week-long disruption of closing downtown Miami.

Ironically, both F1 races at Caesar's Palace were title-deciders which gave decent racing.

The fact that the Caesar's Palace GPs were at the end of the season is probably the only reason. The track layout was unoriginal and repetitive, and the surroundings were very bleak.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: epzik8 on May 12, 2022, 09:15:18 AM
I refuse to get into the F1 vs. NASCAR television ratings debate
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on June 21, 2022, 12:54:28 PM
Did anyone else here attend the Canadian GP? This was my second GP in-person (I also did general admission in COTA last year). I think this went a lot better. The weather was much better (no 30+ celsius Texas sun), I was in the Lance Stroll grandstand on the exit of the hairpin and it was much nicer having a reserved seat with a guaranteed view (though admittedly the bench seats are very closely spaced and hard on your butt), the screens were large enough to read without binoculars and the speakers loud enough to hear commentary with my hearing protection on, this spot had several good overtakes, and the Metro was much better than dealing with driving the two-lane farm roads to COTA. The bigger screen and louder speakers were particularly nice and I felt like I could actually follow this race unlike COTA where I didn't really know what was going on lol. It was still a tiring trip with lots of walking, crowded trains, and busy lines, but it was a great time and the qualy and race were awesome! I'm happy Stroll got a point for the home crowd (I did not see that coming after qualy!) and Zhou had a great weekend too.

Here's a couple photos I took:

FP2 on Friday
(https://i.imgur.com/9USPEPn.jpg)

Qualy on Saturday
(https://i.imgur.com/ALLIPLv.jpg)

Post-Race on Sunday. The tow trucks are bringing Schumacher's and Perez's cars back to the paddock.
(https://i.imgur.com/td8oHey.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 21, 2022, 06:01:20 PM
Montreal is a bit closer to me than the nearest US Grand Prix, which is Miami (700 miles vs 900), and likely cheaper too.

In other news, Red Bull junior driver Jüri Vips has been suspended for being a dumbass.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-vips-racial-slur-suspended/10326456/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on June 21, 2022, 08:45:44 PM
I wish it had crossed my mind to try to get tickets this weekend what with yesterday having been a holiday. Maybe next year if the Montreal race is the same weekend (no sure thing—there’s talk of trying to do a better job of pairing races for travel and budgetary reasons).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 03, 2022, 09:55:40 PM
Lost, after the Zhou Guanyu crash, was the breach of the race grounds by a group of protesters. By the time they met up with the race cars, the race had already been "red flagged," so the extent of their protest was muted.
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/34188481/track-breached-just-stop-oil-protesters-british-grand-prix
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on July 04, 2022, 12:41:39 PM
Lost, after the Zhou Guanyu crash, was the breach of the race grounds by a group of protesters. By the time they met up with the race cars, the race had already been "red flagged," so the extent of their protest was muted.
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/34188481/track-breached-just-stop-oil-protesters-british-grand-prix
Yeah, the red flag timing was fortunate to avoid another incident like this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Pryce

TLDR: driver hits marshal, both die.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on July 28, 2022, 10:43:15 AM
Sebastian Vettel will retire after this season.
https://racer.com/2022/07/28/vettel-to-retire-from-f1-at-end-of-season/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on August 02, 2022, 09:42:34 AM
Sebastian Vettel will retire after this season.
https://racer.com/2022/07/28/vettel-to-retire-from-f1-at-end-of-season/

And now Fernando Alonso will be switching to Aston Martin next year.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-fernando-alonso-signs-to-aston-martin-for-2023-on-multi-year.1i8QwJht5v7dBCWFCcrqml.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-fernando-alonso-signs-to-aston-martin-for-2023-on-multi-year.1i8QwJht5v7dBCWFCcrqml.html)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on August 02, 2022, 02:50:15 PM
Things are getting even more interesting now. Alpine says Oscar Piastri will be racing for them next year, but Oscar posted a tweet saying he will not be racing with them in 2023.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html)

And this is not long after the Alex Palou contract drama. :-D
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 02, 2022, 11:51:59 PM
Suddenly Jack Doohan moving from Red Bull’s junior team to the Alpine Academy looks like a stroke of genius.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on August 03, 2022, 08:52:11 PM
Apparently commentator Will Buxton lives in Maine... :D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52212169397_b90f22f7d0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nxP1Vc)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: epzik8 on August 03, 2022, 09:27:29 PM
Things are getting even more interesting now. Alpine says Oscar Piastri will be racing for them next year, but Oscar posted a tweet saying he will not be racing with them in 2023.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html)
Parker Kligerman from NASCAR promptly made a meme out of this, replacing Piastri with himself.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 03, 2022, 11:20:59 PM
Things are getting even more interesting now. Alpine says Oscar Piastri will be racing for them next year, but Oscar posted a tweet saying he will not be racing with them in 2023.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html)
Parker Kligerman from NASCAR promptly made a meme out of this, replacing Piastri with himself.
Alex Albon parodied it in his extension with Williams that was announced today.

(Piastri took it in stride.)