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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2900 on: May 20, 2022, 10:58:25 AM »

You canít just pick their 5 worst games lol. You understand how that doesnít encompass their season right?

Eh, youíre a Bills fan. Of course youíre salty when it comes to the Chiefs, so what do I think Iím going to accomplish?

Those games were actually spread out throughout the season. (But yeah, I was half-expecting to hear about the Bills' wind game loss and loss to the Jags etc.. so if you're going to spare me that, I'll take it.  :D)
You still canít just pick their 5 worst games
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2901 on: May 23, 2022, 07:56:28 AM »

You canít just pick their 5 worst games lol. You understand how that doesnít encompass their season right?

Eh, youíre a Bills fan. Of course youíre salty when it comes to the Chiefs, so what do I think Iím going to accomplish?

Those games were actually spread out throughout the season. (But yeah, I was half-expecting to hear about the Bills' wind game loss and loss to the Jags etc.. so if you're going to spare me that, I'll take it.  :D)
You still canít just pick their 5 worst games

To be fair, I was responding to cherry picking with more cherry picking... but mine was much more encompassing of their season than just "they blew the AFC title game and lost Tyreek". The point being, the Chiefs (and really every other team too...) were far from perfect in 2021-22 even considering much more than just the ~two main headlines.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2902 on: May 23, 2022, 03:52:16 PM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2903 on: May 23, 2022, 06:53:37 PM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2904 on: May 23, 2022, 08:06:59 PM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.
He killed himself, pretty much? Walking across a south Florida Interstate (or any Interstate for that matter) is unlikely to end well . . .

He was driving drunk, by 3x the legal limit.

Had he not run out of gas he very well could have killed someone else.
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« Reply #2905 on: May 24, 2022, 08:19:38 AM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.
He killed himself, pretty much? Walking across a south Florida Interstate (or any Interstate for that matter) is unlikely to end well . . .

He was driving drunk, by 3x the legal limit.

Had he not run out of gas he very well could have killed someone else.

While what he did was stupid, I don't think he was trying to kill himself; he was just wasted. By saying 'else', you infer that he killed someone which he did not. Call him what you want, but he's not a murderer/killer.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2906 on: May 24, 2022, 08:45:40 AM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.
He killed himself, pretty much? Walking across a south Florida Interstate (or any Interstate for that matter) is unlikely to end well . . .

He was driving drunk, by 3x the legal limit.

Had he not run out of gas he very well could have killed someone else.

While what he did was stupid, I don't think he was trying to kill himself; he was just wasted. By saying 'else', you infer that he killed someone which he did not. Call him what you want, but he's not a murderer/killer.

I really dislike the practice of classifying the severity of driving drunk by whether or not someone else was badly injured or died. Once you choose to drive drunk, it's largely a matter of luck whether or not you hit another person or car. Obviously not applicable in this specific case, but I think every drunk driver should be punished as harshly as those who kill someone while doing it.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2907 on: May 24, 2022, 08:51:56 AM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.
He killed himself, pretty much? Walking across a south Florida Interstate (or any Interstate for that matter) is unlikely to end well . . .

He was driving drunk, by 3x the legal limit.

Had he not run out of gas he very well could have killed someone else.

While what he did was stupid, I don't think he was trying to kill himself; he was just wasted. By saying 'else', you infer that he killed someone which he did not. Call him what you want, but he's not a murderer/killer.
I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2908 on: May 24, 2022, 09:46:09 AM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.
He killed himself, pretty much? Walking across a south Florida Interstate (or any Interstate for that matter) is unlikely to end well . . .

He was driving drunk, by 3x the legal limit.

Had he not run out of gas he very well could have killed someone else.

While what he did was stupid, I don't think he was trying to kill himself; he was just wasted. By saying 'else', you infer that he killed someone which he did not. Call him what you want, but he's not a murderer/killer.
I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2909 on: May 24, 2022, 10:01:54 AM »

Haskins had a BAC of .24, three times the legal limit, at the time of the crash . . . color me shocked. Good thing he didnít kill anyone else.

Kill anyone else? Did he kill someone? Yeah, he was likely driving before he got out of the car, but he got hit while walking.
He killed himself, pretty much? Walking across a south Florida Interstate (or any Interstate for that matter) is unlikely to end well . . .

He was driving drunk, by 3x the legal limit.

Had he not run out of gas he very well could have killed someone else.

While what he did was stupid, I don't think he was trying to kill himself; he was just wasted. By saying 'else', you infer that he killed someone which he did not. Call him what you want, but he's not a murderer/killer.
Not just "wasted." He also had ketamine in his system. He was a drugged-up mess. It's pretty lucky no one else was injured or killed as a result of him driving a car on the road that night. Tragic, in the classic sense of the word, that he ended up being the only fatality.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2910 on: May 25, 2022, 10:42:03 AM »

I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But even if it was avoidable (which it obviously was), I don't appreciate the undertone. I think it's distasteful and unhelpful to play the "blame game" with anyone that has just died, regardless of the circumstances. Imagine saying to Haskins' family, "well, too bad, but it was his own fault!"
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« Reply #2911 on: May 25, 2022, 10:47:53 AM »

I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But even if it was avoidable (which it obviously was), I don't appreciate the undertone. I think it's distasteful and unhelpful to play the "blame game" with anyone that has just died, regardless of the circumstances. Imagine saying to Haskins' family, "well, too bad, but it was his own fault!"

I, also, don't disagree with this at all. That's why I objected to the insinuation that he was a killer. The maniac that killed 10-year-olds yesterday? Yeah, he can rot in the worst kind of hell, but just being drunk, high, and getting hit by a truck doesn't make us need to vilify him.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2912 on: May 25, 2022, 12:26:14 PM »

I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But even if it was avoidable (which it obviously was), I don't appreciate the undertone. I think it's distasteful and unhelpful to play the "blame game" with anyone that has just died, regardless of the circumstances. Imagine saying to Haskins' family, "well, too bad, but it was his own fault!"
Good thing I'm not talking to Haskins' family then.

If we don't talk about the poor decisions that were made leading up to tragedies, we will never properly learn from them. If I die because of an idiotic decision I would at least want people to learn from it.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2913 on: May 25, 2022, 06:38:17 PM »

I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But even if it was avoidable (which it obviously was), I don't appreciate the undertone. I think it's distasteful and unhelpful to play the "blame game" with anyone that has just died, regardless of the circumstances. Imagine saying to Haskins' family, "well, too bad, but it was his own fault!"
Good thing I'm not talking to Haskins' family then.

If we don't talk about the poor decisions that were made leading up to tragedies, we will never properly learn from them. If I die because of an idiotic decision I would at least want people to learn from it.

I don't take issue with talking about the poor decisions, it's more the framing of a tragedy (particularly one in which no weapons were involved, with no apparent malicious intent) being someone's own fault. Of course he should not have been driving or walking on a highway while drunk and on drugs, but the reasons for what happened are always much more complicated than that. The way to learn from it is to understand that drugs, alcohol, and especially addiction can be dangerous and try to help anyone that struggles with it, and not just assume that anyone that does is a bad person.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2914 on: May 25, 2022, 09:47:45 PM »

I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But even if it was avoidable (which it obviously was), I don't appreciate the undertone. I think it's distasteful and unhelpful to play the "blame game" with anyone that has just died, regardless of the circumstances. Imagine saying to Haskins' family, "well, too bad, but it was his own fault!"
Good thing I'm not talking to Haskins' family then.

If we don't talk about the poor decisions that were made leading up to tragedies, we will never properly learn from them. If I die because of an idiotic decision I would at least want people to learn from it.

I don't take issue with talking about the poor decisions, it's more the framing of a tragedy (particularly one in which no weapons were involved, with no apparent malicious intent) being someone's own fault. Of course he should not have been driving or walking on a highway while drunk and on drugs, but the reasons for what happened are always much more complicated than that. The way to learn from it is to understand that drugs, alcohol, and especially addiction can be dangerous and try to help anyone that struggles with it, and not just assume that anyone that does is a bad person.
I never said he was a bad person. I didn't know him, I'm not the one to make those judgements.

Much more complicated? As in like, why did he drive drunk on a freeway? Your guess is as good as mine, but you'd be very hard pressed to find a good reason to drive at all with a BAC that high, nevermind on a freeway.

It's not hard to figure out why he attempted to walk for gas: he knew that if he called for help, he would get busted for drunk driving. But had he not driven drunk, he wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place. (there's also the completely free no-questions-asked Uber-like service the NFL has for its players, which could have been used before he got in the car drunk or after he ran out of gas)

Framing means attempting to make someone look responsible for something they weren't responsible for. I don't understand how I'm "framing" this as being Haskins' fault.

It was a tragic accident that could have been avoided in so many simple ways. It's important to recognize those ways so that if any of us are ever in a place where we need to make similar decisions, we make the correct ones. Playing it off as not Haskins' fault does nothing.
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« Reply #2915 on: May 25, 2022, 10:38:17 PM »

It was a tragic accident that could have been avoided in so many simple ways. It's important to recognize those ways so that if any of us are ever in a place where we need to make similar decisions, we make the correct ones. Playing it off as not Haskins' fault does nothing.

It might be a mental health issue too. Whatever happened before that point, it's unlikely that Haskins was in a right state of mind to be making different decisions or really any decisions at all, and the same would likely apply to anyone else in that situation. I obviously agree he never should have been on the road under the influence of drugs/alcohol, but other than that, we don't have enough information to make any definitive statements. And while I'm not trying to absolve Haskins, I just don't think it's necessary or helpful to try to assign blame - especially since he was on foot when he got hit by a car not vice versa which makes it very different than many other drugs/alcohol related incidents. 
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« Reply #2916 on: May 25, 2022, 10:41:46 PM »

It was a tragic accident that could have been avoided in so many simple ways. It's important to recognize those ways so that if any of us are ever in a place where we need to make similar decisions, we make the correct ones. Playing it off as not Haskins' fault does nothing.

It might be a mental health issue too. Whatever happened before that point, it's unlikely that Haskins was in a right state of mind to be making different decisions or really any decisions at all, and the same would likely apply to anyone else in that situation. I obviously agree he never should have been on the road under the influence of drugs/alcohol, but other than that, we don't have enough information to make any definitive statements. And while I'm not trying to absolve Haskins, I just don't think it's necessary or helpful to try to assign blame - especially since he was on foot when he got hit by a car not vice versa which makes it very different than many other drugs/alcohol related incidents.
This isnít ďgot hit by a carĒ in the traditional sense. Us in the roadgeek community should know better than anyone not to cross a south Florida Interstate on foot.
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« Reply #2917 on: May 25, 2022, 11:17:42 PM »

Well, usually those two things are on opposite ends of the spectrum - the drunk driver is the offender and the person that got hit by a car is the victim. But in this case, Haskins was both, which is why it doesn't do much good to assign blame for what happened.
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« Reply #2918 on: May 26, 2022, 01:24:25 AM »

I suppose. I guess what Iím getting at is he has no one to blame but himself.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But even if it was avoidable (which it obviously was), I don't appreciate the undertone. I think it's distasteful and unhelpful to play the "blame game" with anyone that has just died, regardless of the circumstances. Imagine saying to Haskins' family, "well, too bad, but it was his own fault!"
Good thing I'm not talking to Haskins' family then.

If we don't talk about the poor decisions that were made leading up to tragedies, we will never properly learn from them. If I die because of an idiotic decision I would at least want people to learn from it.

I don't take issue with talking about the poor decisions, it's more the framing of a tragedy (particularly one in which no weapons were involved, with no apparent malicious intent) being someone's own fault.
The very definition of tragedy is: A drama or literary work in which the main character is brought to ruin or suffers extreme sorrow, especially as a consequence of a tragic flaw, moral weakness, or inability to cope with unfavorable circumstances.

That is exactly what happened in this case. Tragedy occurs specifically because of someone's own fault.
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« Reply #2919 on: May 26, 2022, 08:06:02 AM »

Well, usually those two things are on opposite ends of the spectrum - the drunk driver is the offender and the person that got hit by a car is the victim. But in this case, Haskins was both, which is why it doesn't do much good to assign blame for what happened.
You really trying to say that the person driving a dump truck on a freeway who was found in investigations to have done nothing wrong, is at fault for hitting a guy trying cross the freeway on foot?

If a guy jumps out in front of the dump truck youíre driving at 60 MPH, your options are to brake, which you donít have enough time to fully do (keep in mind this was in relatively low light early in the morning), or swerve and risk injuring yourself and/or another innocent driver. The driver likely had no time to react. Who knows, maybe he did purposefully blow straight through, but I find that extremely unlikely as the death has already been officially ruled an accident and the driver isnít even going to face a trial.
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« Reply #2920 on: June 07, 2022, 11:50:25 AM »

Random offseason question: How many teams should/should not expect to contend for a playoff spot this season?

In the AFC, I think basically the entire conference views themselves as a playoff contender. The four biggest exceptions IMO:
-Steelers. I know they're always in the mix but I think this could be the year they aren't. Trubisky isn't going to be great and even if Pickett is OK, they're not going to get as lucky as they did last year. Big Ben was not good last year, but he made key plays to win a bunch of close games and that was largely attributable to his years of experience. You can't expect the same from Trubisky or a rookie.
-Jets. I think they have the roster and potential upside of a playoff team, but really the only thing that matters is Wilson's development. If his play improves significantly, 8-9 wins is still a success.
-Jaguars. Likely not a playoff team, but could certainly win 7-8 games. I'm not buying the Titans, and the Jaguars seem to have the Colts' number lately, so it wouldn't be shocking to find them in the mix for the division in December.
-Texans. Not too much explanation needed here. They're considerably worse roster-wise than all of the other teams in their division and would be the only truly shocking playoff team in the entire AFC.


In the NFC, it gets more interesting as to whether certain teams are contending or rebuilding.

I think the entire NFC West expects to have a shot at the playoffs. The Seahawks could definitely make it with competent QB play - which is obviously a giant question mark. Cardinals are obviously expecting to contend but I could see them finishing with a losing record.

Vikings are a definite yes to contend for a playoff spot. Lions are also yes IMO - I could see 8-9 wins with competent play from Goff given the improved roster. And I think the entire NFC East is a yes - Commanders and especially Giants might be a stretch, but it wouldn't be crazy if either of them made the wild card. And the NFC South, Saints are obviously expecting to make the playoffs, Panthers are not in the playoff mix with their current QB situation but the roster isn't terrible, so yes if they get Baker Mayfield or Jimmy G.

That leaves the Falcons and Bears as the only true non-contending teams in the NFC, plus the Texans in the AFC. So 29 of 32 teams could make the playoffs and it wouldn't be totally shocking - that seems like more than any other year I can remember.

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« Reply #2921 on: June 07, 2022, 02:29:38 PM »

Agree except for the Lions. Theyíre still devoid of talent. We donít know yet if they drafted well or not. We donít know if their quarterback is capable, we donít know if their coach is capable. Iíd say 5-6 wins at most.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2922 on: June 07, 2022, 03:51:01 PM »

Agree except for the Lions. Theyíre still devoid of talent. We donít know yet if they drafted well or not. We donít know if their quarterback is capable, we donít know if their coach is capable. Iíd say 5-6 wins at most.

I think you absolutely know what you're getting from Jared Goff, and that's probably half the reason they traded for him: so they could have competence at QB and be somewhat competitive while rebuilding.

Yes, the coach(es) and draft class(es) are unproven, but in the small sample we have, they were pretty unlucky to have only 3 wins last year. It could have easily been more given how many close games they were in.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2923 on: June 07, 2022, 04:01:01 PM »

Agree except for the Lions. Theyíre still devoid of talent. We donít know yet if they drafted well or not. We donít know if their quarterback is capable, we donít know if their coach is capable. Iíd say 5-6 wins at most.

I think you absolutely know what you're getting from Jared Goff, and that's probably half the reason they traded for him: so they could have competence at QB and be somewhat competitive while rebuilding.

Yes, the coach(es) and draft class(es) are unproven, but in the small sample we have, they were pretty unlucky to have only 3 wins last year. It could have easily been more given how many close games they were in.

I think your coach is a nutjob.  He seems to say a bunch of things loudly to help mask the fact he is in over his head.  I really hope I am wrong; I am not someone who takes pleasure in the Lions being bad because it has gone on for so long now.  It's more like an old hat or something you can count on.  If the Lions became good, it would throw the world off kilter. 
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2924 on: June 08, 2022, 06:34:55 PM »

I'mma say the Jets themselves expect to CONTEND - not to actually get a spot but to at least still be in the mix for most of the season, within a game or two of .500 for the most part. I think a lot of prognosticators are undervaluing them, and it really depends on both Wilson and the newest set of draft picks, how quickly they acclimate and grow together. They could finish 9-8 and back into spot #7, they could finish 5-12 and disappoint.

 


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