ODOT has apparently decided not to fund converting US-0035 between Beavercreek and Xenia from partial controlled acccess to fully controlled access. The alternative now being considered is a "super street" which would increase the number of signalized intersections. Details below (if you hit a paywall, you may need to clear your cache to trick the website into thinking you haven't visited before)
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/local/alternative-for-relieving-route-35-congestion-bein/npt5Z/
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/superstreet-proposed-for-route-35/npxwY/
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/local/11m-superstreet-proposed-for-us-35/npxwT/
How many think this will increase congestion rather than decrease it?
Exactly what I was thinking as well. Originally the whole purpose of the project was to eliminate the stop lights AND cross traffic because of the high number of accidents in the mentioned corridor. Not only will this probably increase congestion but probably increase the number of accidents in the corridor defeating the original intent of the project. :pan:
^ Depends how well the signals are set up on US 35. It might increase congestion and delays for the cross roads though.
It's certainly not a comparable fix to converting this stretch to a freeway. However, you eliminate all the left-turn phases, and the additional signals for the U-turns are synchronized with the existing ones. The end result is that traffic throughput (at least on US 35) is increased. So it's not completely pointless.
However, I would consider this an inappropriate location for such a conversion, given that it's a short superstreet stretch in the middle of freeway at each end. The traffic levels certainly warrant a freeway conversion.
With a Superstreet where there's no traffic that goes completely across each intersection, you should be able to time each direction on the main road independently. This should make it easy for signal progression so that you could move a ton of volume through.
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
I say "just do the fricking freeway conversion!" Cul du sac Shakertown Road, grade sperate Factory, maybe a split diamond at Alpha and Orchard, either grade seperate or cul du sac Valley and Trebein, and modify the Business 35 interchange so traffic no longer has to exit to stay on mainline 35.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
Considering WV is building out the last section to a freeway, I would assume the heavy car and truck traffic? Also, why would 2 major truck stop chains build on 35 unless the traffic count was there?
Xenia needs to do the same. Period!
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
US-35 between Dayton and Charleston forms a fairly large portion of the route between much of the southern Mid-Atlantic (VA south of I-64, NC, WV) and the western Great Lakes (Chicago, et al).
I've always wondered why Ohio never bothered to upgrade the portion between the freeway in Dayton and the Xenia bypass. The area's not particularly built up.
Quote from: Thing 342 on January 16, 2016, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
US-35 between Dayton and Charleston forms a fairly large portion of the route between much of the southern Mid-Atlantic (VA south of I-64, NC, WV) and the western Great Lakes (Chicago, et al).
I've always wondered why Ohio never bothered to upgrade the portion between the freeway in Dayton and the Xenia bypass. The area's not particularly built up.
I agree. It is the only direct connection between that part of the country and Chicago. Looking at AADTs, they're typically around 10,000 or higher. Volumes aren't much less than I-77 in most of Ohio.
I travel US 35 from Kokomo, IN to Myrtle Beach SC all the time and have for many years. I started going this way before the entire US 35 route south of Dayton to Gallipolis was four lanes. The next best route for me is through Knoxville, TN on I 40 - which I despise. The little stretch of street level action in this discussion usually isn't too bad - but the freeway upgrade makes a lot of sense, especially for safety as per the adjacent freeway status. There is a Wal-Mart distribution center on this route which feeds a pretty fair amount of truck traffic. When the WV segment is finished, it will be really improved. Next - finish I 73 & I 74 to Myrtle in the Carolinas and I'll be a real happy camper! I rather enjoy driving the US 35 corridor through Ohio.
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US-35 between Dayton and Charleston forms a fairly large portion of the route between much of the southern Mid-Atlantic (VA south of I-64, NC, WV) and the western Great Lakes (Chicago, et al).
I looked at some maps more closely, and I can see it now...thanks.
Quote from: monty on January 16, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
I rather enjoy driving the US 35 corridor through Ohio.
I've only been on the WV to Chillicothe part, and once at that, but one thing I do remember about it was how scenic & hilly the section between Jackson and Chillicothe was. That's the most "mountainous" looking part of Ohio I can think of when it comes to what you can see from an expressway or freeway (compared to what I've seen on 23, 33, 77, 11 & 7 in other hilly parts of the state)
Quote from: Buck87 on January 17, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
Quote from: monty on January 16, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
I rather enjoy driving the US 35 corridor through Ohio.
I've only been on the WV to Chillicothe part, and once at that, but one thing I do remember about it was how scenic & hilly the section between Jackson and Chillicothe was. That's the most "mountainous" looking part of Ohio I can think of when it comes to what you can see from an expressway or freeway (compared to what I've seen on 23, 33, 77, 11 & 7 in other hilly parts of the state)
If you want a good long descent, take 32 between Piketon and Peebles.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on January 16, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
Considering WV is building out the last section to a freeway, I would assume the heavy car and truck traffic? Also, why would 2 major truck stop chains build on 35 unless the traffic count was there?
Xenia needs to do the same. Period!
Well this is stupid, this whole route is what GPS directs Chicago to North Carolina Traffic and the last bit of US35 need to upgraded into an interstate to bypass the very poorly designed current interstate routing that takes the ridiculously long side of two triangles through Louisville or Cincinnati making the trip 100 miles longer than it needs to be. This corridor is just waiting to become a Dayton-Charleston WV Interstate for Truck Traffic, the last thing it needs is brand new stoplights for Walmarts and ChuckECheese.
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Quote from: 2trailertrucker on January 16, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
Considering WV is building out the last section to a freeway, I would assume the heavy car and truck traffic? Also, why would 2 major truck stop chains build on 35 unless the traffic count was there?
Xenia needs to do the same. Period!
Well this is stupid, this whole route is what GPS directs Chicago to North Carolina Traffic and the last bit of US35 need to upgraded into an interstate to bypass the very poorly designed current interstate routing that takes the ridiculously long side of two triangles through Louisville or Cincinnati making the trip 100 miles longer than it needs to be. This corridor is just waiting to become a Dayton-Charleston WV Interstate for Truck Traffic, the last thing it needs is brand new stoplights for Walmarts and ChuckECheese.
It's not going to become an Interstate or full freeway. WV has been building its new sections with at-grade intersections. There are also a lot of at-grades in Jackson County, OH, some of which would be difficult to remove. I know WV isn't going to spend the money to upgrade to full freeway and I don't see Ohio doing so either.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2016, 02:55:46 PM
How many think this will increase congestion rather than decrease it?
They're about to "316" the highway, which is about the worst thing that can be done to traffic flow on a highway aside from reducing the number of lanes. If you've ever been to Georgia, you know exactly what I'm talking about when I use "316" as a verb.
This would be a good place to "I-86" US 35. Build this section just like I-86 in Horseheads, NY--an elevated freeway with the service roads at ground level beside it. One half-interchange at the west end of it and one half-interchange at the east end of it. Anyone wanting to go to a location in that area would need to exit before the elevated section. There would be some bridges built to allow drivers to be on one side of US 35 or the other, however, the service roads would be one way just like in Horseheads. Looking at Google Maps, I believe the footprint would allow this.
Ah, so you want to 86 35? :)
Just like some in Louisville wanted to "86 64."
A "superstreet" would not be horrible, but not between two freeway sections. It is only 2-3 miles of non-freeway between Beavercreek and the western Xenia interchange. ODOT just needs to find a way to make this section a freeway.
Quote from: vtk on January 16, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
Too bad they aren't making this a freeway. But at least it's not a very long section, 2 miles with 5 total intersections, with 4 of those intersections grouped together in stretch less than a mile.
That makes it worse. US 35 is a freeway for many miles in either direction from here. Having a 2 mile section in the middle with traffic lights, and choosing to keep it that way, is baffling.
Not much different then what PennDOT did with US 30 around my home town (York, PA) in the 60's and 70's. Interstate grade freeway with 4 miles of lights and commercial strip in the middle.
Very disappointing. Having driven this section several times, I know what a bottleneck it is. This may help a little bit, but I can't help to believe this would still be a bottleneck. :pan: In my opinion, this has needed to be a limited access highway for a long time now.
Quote from: GCrites80s on January 18, 2016, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 17, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
Quote from: monty on January 16, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
I rather enjoy driving the US 35 corridor through Ohio.
I've only been on the WV to Chillicothe part, and once at that, but one thing I do remember about it was how scenic & hilly the section between Jackson and Chillicothe was. That's the most "mountainous" looking part of Ohio I can think of when it comes to what you can see from an expressway or freeway (compared to what I've seen on 23, 33, 77, 11 & 7 in other hilly parts of the state)
If you want a good long descent, take 32 between Piketon and Peebles.
I agree. That's one of the nicest descents on a 4 lane highway in Ohio in my opinion.
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 10:57:47 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on January 18, 2016, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 17, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
Quote from: monty on January 16, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
I rather enjoy driving the US 35 corridor through Ohio.
I've only been on the WV to Chillicothe part, and once at that, but one thing I do remember about it was how scenic & hilly the section between Jackson and Chillicothe was. That's the most "mountainous" looking part of Ohio I can think of when it comes to what you can see from an expressway or freeway (compared to what I've seen on 23, 33, 77, 11 & 7 in other hilly parts of the state)
If you want a good long descent, take 32 between Piketon and Peebles.
I agree. That's one of the nicest descents on a 4 lane highway in Ohio in my opinion.
I-470 in the vicinity of Wheeling, WV is one of my favorite Interstate drives. Heading eastbound on I-470, you get a long descent toward the Ohio River, then a long ascent as it crosses into West Virginia, and then another long descent before its eastern terminus at I-70.
The curviness of the West Virginia segment east of the Ohio River looks pretty neat too (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0510492,-80.7226491,3a,75y,78.08h,74.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3XbUrofHj6jFuzBkBrIdVQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Heading westbound on I-70,
the initial ascent of I-470 looks impressive (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0487278,-80.6630097,3a,75y,302.9h,85.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYjMigWSGl_iMOnZspL8hFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), especially when it's lit up at night.
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 10:56:19 AM
Very disappointing. Having driven this section several times, I know what a bottleneck it is. This may help a little bit, but I can't help to believe this would still be a bottleneck. :pan: In my opinion, this has needed to be a limited access highway for a long time now.
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How are you going to access all of the car dealers if you cut them off with your proposed full access highway?
I just drove through there last week. I would settle for synchronization of lights to where through traffic can get through town without fear of a light changing in 2 seconds for a car coming out of one of the side streets.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 17, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
Quote from: monty on January 16, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
I rather enjoy driving the US 35 corridor through Ohio.
I've only been on the WV to Chillicothe part, and once at that, but one thing I do remember about it was how scenic & hilly the section between Jackson and Chillicothe was. That's the most "mountainous" looking part of Ohio I can think of when it comes to what you can see from an expressway or freeway (compared to what I've seen on 23, 33, 77, 11 & 7 in other hilly parts of the state)
Found out that part of Ohio is where Bob Evans Farm is that started the Bob Evans sausage and restaurant company.
Really think that the Federal Government seriously need a better Interstate system between Chicago and the Carolinas. The current route is 100 miles too long, A Dayton to Charleston Interstate would really help truckers cut their time and costs. Maybe even create a new Highway from Dayton up to Chicago bypassing Indianapolis making the route even more direct. US 35 is almost done except when you get near Dayton there is an awful stop light section around Xenia and a really narrow, shoulder less very old Freeway in Dayton proper. West Virginia is also missing a chunk where its is two lanes and goes through small towns.
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Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 10:56:19 AM
Very disappointing. Having driven this section several times, I know what a bottleneck it is. This may help a little bit, but I can't help to believe this would still be a bottleneck. :pan: In my opinion, this has needed to be a limited access highway for a long time now.
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How are you going to access all of the car dealers if you cut them off with your proposed full access highway?
I lived in Beavercreek near the Factory Road and US 35 intersection for many years. I think the best solution would be a bridge over Factory Road and frontage roads. It may require a second bridge at the Xenia end of the dealer strip, but there are two defacto frontage roads there already. There is a pond on the south side that may be a problem, but I think it It is doable.
It looks like there is movement on upgrading US 35 in Beavercreek:
http://beavercreeknewscurrent.com/top-stories/3187/u-s-35-superstreet-project-receives-state-funding
Oops, some of this was covered before. The article is older than I thought, but newer than the other Superstreet comments.
TRAC approves adding 3rd lane on US 35 from Whalen Blvd to I-675, and reaffirms the funding for the super street project in Greene County:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/millions-approved-for-work-what-know-now/SP1vOmTYXTE56aFNJutW0M/?icmp=cmgoBusinessStoryLink
Quote from: Thing 342 on January 16, 2016, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
US-35 between Dayton and Charleston forms a fairly large portion of the route between much of the southern Mid-Atlantic (VA south of I-64, NC, WV) and the western Great Lakes (Chicago, et al).
Richmond to Chicago, or anywhere on the VA I-64 corridor to Chicago or NW Indiana, that US-35 segment is the preferred route now that nearly all of US-35 is four lanes between I-64 and I-75.
Used that last year on a trip from Richmond to NW Indiana, lots of very scenic sections and mostly very modest traffic volumes on I-64 and US-35.
Quote from: Beltway on March 29, 2018, 11:28:06 PM
Quote from: Thing 342 on January 16, 2016, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 16, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
I've long been baffled at why so much of that stretch of US 35 is a limited access highway. I guess I can see why another route to I-71 and Columbus would be needed east of Dayton, but why is it that way all the way to Chillicothe?
US-35 between Dayton and Charleston forms a fairly large portion of the route between much of the southern Mid-Atlantic (VA south of I-64, NC, WV) and the western Great Lakes (Chicago, et al).
Richmond to Chicago, or anywhere on the VA I-64 corridor to Chicago or NW Indiana, that US-35 segment is the preferred route now that nearly all of US-35 is four lanes between I-64 and I-75.
Used that last year on a trip from Richmond to NW Indiana, lots of very scenic sections and mostly very modest traffic volumes on I-64 and US-35.
Big Rig Steve has used it a couple of times over the past year or so, too.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on March 31, 2018, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 29, 2018, 11:28:06 PM
Richmond to Chicago, or anywhere on the VA I-64 corridor to Chicago or NW Indiana, that US-35 segment is the preferred route now that nearly all of US-35 is four lanes between I-64 and I-75.
Used that last year on a trip from Richmond to NW Indiana, lots of very scenic sections and mostly very modest traffic volumes on I-64 and US-35.
Big Rig Steve has used it a couple of times over the past year or so, too.
Mike
All is toll-free as well! No need to deal with D.C. area traffic or the turnpikes in PA, OH and IN.
Now....if there was a way to get from the west end of the US 35 freeway section up to I-675 to bypass the street-running segment (not quite the "Ohio Breezewood", but in the same functional neighborhood), all would be right with that neck of the world. It seems a shame to have such a useful route that largely avoids urbanized gridlock only to have it peter out into a slow-slog commercial strip. Although, OTOH, it may be that disconnect at the western end that keeps it the "open road" that it is. It's Ohio -- so we may never find out the real potential of this particular corridor.
Quote from: sparker on March 31, 2018, 03:51:20 PM
Now....if there was a way to get from the west end of the US 35 freeway section up to I-675 to bypass the street-running segment (not quite the "Ohio Breezewood", but in the same functional neighborhood), all would be right with that neck of the world. It seems a shame to have such a useful route that largely avoids urbanized gridlock only to have it peter out into a slow-slog commercial strip. Although, OTOH, it may be that disconnect at the western end that keeps it the "open road" that it is. It's Ohio -- so we may never find out the real potential of this particular corridor.
I found it relatively fast when I used it last year, an expressway-standard highway.
Quote from: Beltway on March 31, 2018, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: sparker on March 31, 2018, 03:51:20 PM
Now....if there was a way to get from the west end of the US 35 freeway section up to I-675 to bypass the street-running segment (not quite the "Ohio Breezewood", but in the same functional neighborhood), all would be right with that neck of the world. It seems a shame to have such a useful route that largely avoids urbanized gridlock only to have it peter out into a slow-slog commercial strip. Although, OTOH, it may be that disconnect at the western end that keeps it the "open road" that it is. It's Ohio -- so we may never find out the real potential of this particular corridor.
I found it relatively fast when I used it last year, an expressway-standard highway.
Yeah, right now the section through Alpha is a signalized expressway, but IIRC this is the segment due to be turned into a "superstreet" instead of connecting the two freeway segments. That'll certainly put a veritable speedbump in the effectiveness of the US 35 corridor. But while the overall corridor, taken in the aggregate, isn't too bad, ODOT's future plans do little if anything to realize the interregional potential of this route by taking a decidedly localized (and verging on parochial) approach here (which will please a few select posters!) Given that as of late the state has seemingly concentrated on improving non-Interstate corridors (this one, US 33, US 24, US 30), I'll reiterate my dismay at the half-assed and/or misguided methodology in play here. Maybe I'm just expecting too much in this day & age, but if one builds 98.5% of a useful corridor, it seems reasonable to finish it off rather than install a "feature" that smells like an attempt at long-distance "traffic calming".
Probably old news to some, but I'd like to share anyway. In Greene County, construction is underway to upgrade the US 35/Trebein-Valley Road intersection to an full interchange.
Read more about the project here (https://transportation.ohio.gov/projects/projects/107217) and here (https://transportation.ohio.gov/about-us/news/district-8/greene+county+u.s.+35+valley+trebein+project+gets+under+way).
That intersection was kind of a drag.