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I note in an article in the local paper, the long-proposed I-265 Ohio River bridge (referred to as the 'East End bridge' in the article) is expected to open by 2017 as a toll bridge.  Any more on this?

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http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120305/NEWS01/303050056?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150609838268462_21283458_10150609859483462

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Mike

And then they can 86 64 :jumping:

Quote from: NE2 on March 06, 2012, 12:27:21 PM
And then they can 86 64 :jumping:

Only if they are absolute idiots.

Actually 64 will get more busy as folks shunpike the new downtown/east end/Kennedy tolls.

In tight austure budget times. I can understand tolling and will live with it. However my only worry is how long will the tolls be on. Kentucky has it written that once the bond is paid off. Then the tolls go off. Indiana can keep them on for infinity. So any toll sharing ideals on when they will go off? I don't want it to be 2046 (yes I will still be here to toture Liberals and U of L fans) and still paying tolls on a project that is paid off.

Quote from: ShawnP on March 07, 2012, 08:35:36 AM
Actually 64 will get more busy as folks shunpike the new downtown/east end/Kennedy tolls.

The article is talking about a measly TWO DOLLARS toll for a transient car, and ONE DOLLAR for a commuter car.  This is 2012, not 1952, here guys!  You can't even get a decent lunch for less that seven or eight dollars now and cost of the time and fuel expended to 'shunpike' these crossings will be well in excess of those tolls.

BTW, when is construction expected to start on the I-265 bridge, if it has not already?

Mike

Since Indiana's an E-ZPass state, I hope they use it for the tolls here.

Quote from: ShawnP on March 07, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
(yes I will still be here to toture Liberals and U of L fans)

Next time I am in Louisville, I will buy you a beer! :cheers:

Quote from: ShawnP on March 07, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
In tight austure budget times. I can understand tolling and will live with it. However my only worry is how long will the tolls be on. Kentucky has it written that once the bond is paid off. Then the tolls go off. Indiana can keep them on for infinity. So any toll sharing ideals on when they will go off? I don't want it to be 2046 (yes I will still be here to toture Liberals and U of L fans) and still paying tolls on a project that is paid off.

If you're going to poison the well unprovoked, learn to spell.

Quote from: hbelkins on March 07, 2012, 02:26:55 PM
Since Indiana's an E-ZPass state, I hope they use it for the tolls here.

Quote from: ShawnP on March 07, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
(yes I will still be here to toture Liberals and U of L fans)

Next time I am in Louisville, I will buy you a beer! :cheers:

A sweet tea will do. I have been clean and sober since July 26, 2002. One at Rocky's..........

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67

Looking like this fall. INDOT has some lettings out for demo on their side of river and Kentucky has bought their ROW and demo should start soon (neighbors want it NOW as Copper thieves have been making a racket in the area). I see Mitch Daniels wanting a ground breaking before he leaves next January. I have heard 2015 to 2018 for completion.

Quote from: mgk920 on March 07, 2012, 10:59:08 AM

Quote from: ShawnP on March 07, 2012, 08:35:36 AM
Actually 64 will get more busy as folks shunpike the new downtown/east end/Kennedy tolls.

The article is talking about a measly TWO DOLLARS toll for a transient car, and ONE DOLLAR for a commuter car.  This is 2012, not 1952, here guys!  You can't even get a decent lunch for less that seven or eight dollars now and cost of the time and fuel expended to 'shunpike' these crossings will be well in excess of those tolls.

BTW, when is construction expected to start on the I-265 bridge, if it has not already?

Mike

50 plus years TOLLS. Grrrrrrrrrrrr

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120312/NEWS01/303110122/Bridges-tolls-may-last-long-past-2058?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

With gas at $4/gallon, $2 in round trip tolls on an East End Bridge would still not outweigh the gas savings for me, not to mention the time.

I don't mind paying for 30 years but 50 plus years. I have a feeling Tolls will never come of these bridges.

This runs so counter to Kentucky's previous philosophy of removing the tolls after the construction bonds are paid off. I smell Indiana in this.

Yep HB and I would not be surprised to see Indiana "sell" their side soon. This has all the earmarkers of a Goat roaper.

Oh nooooooooooo

There goes the east end bridge.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2012304030100

Are you really that daft?  I mean, really?

Heck, we have bald eagles nesting here in the downtown Appleton area - and they seem to be OK with all of the city activity that goes on around them....

Mike

Quote from: mgk920 on April 05, 2012, 10:55:53 AM
Heck, we have bald eagles nesting here in the downtown Appleton area - and they seem to be OK with all of the city activity that goes on around them....

Indeed. There's a nesting pair of bald eagles here in Philadelphia–yes, within the city–about 200 yards from a major thoroughfare, and less than a half mile from I-95. If you know where to look (most don't), you can actually see the nest from the highway.

Maybe some environmentalists moved the eagles to be near the bridge.

Maybe the eagles are environmentalists. Shoot the commies.

Clearly it is the eagles who moved the communists next to the environmentalists.  they are preparing to drop the bridge on their heads.

There is a nest of bald eagles...one of the largest IIRC...within a few miles of the launch pads at Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

Came across this last night, the blogger, originally from the Louisville area, did a mulit-part series about the Ohio River Bridges project and his claim that Hoosiers are being screwed over with the current deal. He then proposes some solutions to making the deal a bit better while still building the project, though it should be noted that he approves of 8664, so there's that too. In any case, maybe the eagles are trying to tell us something before we go into something that may not be good for those in Southern Indiana in the future.

http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/04/05/hoosiers-to-pay-80-of-local-tolls-for-ohio-river-bridges-project/

The only people who genuinely get screwed are people who live in Clarksville and Jeffersonville and commute to downtown Louisville, because they will have to pay tolls on a bridge that already exists.

Anybody commuting to the East End gets their toll costs offset by the reduction in gas costs due to a new, more direct route, and people commuting to downtown Louisville from anyplace other than Clarksville and Jeffersonville can use I-64 as a free alternative without too much added travel time.

Also, if Hoosiers are paying 80% of the tolls, then that means that they are benefiting from 80% of the trips on the new bridge, and that blog doesn't go into the positive economic impact that Clark County should see from having the new bridge.

Is it the best deal for Indiana?  No.  Is it a better deal than not building the bridge at all?  Absolutely.

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 06, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/04/05/hoosiers-to-pay-80-of-local-tolls-for-ohio-river-bridges-project/

Another MTR alumnus, Aaron Renn.

It'll be nice when the whole I-265 outer loop is finished.

Yes these Eagles could stop the road. Riverfields is very, very Politically connected and this is the break they are looking for.

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 06, 2012, 08:52:36 PM

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 06, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/04/05/hoosiers-to-pay-80-of-local-tolls-for-ohio-river-bridges-project/

Another MTR alumnus, Aaron Renn.

Interesting that he favors the "8664" proposal to reroute I-64 around the metro Louisville area.


Anthony

Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 08, 2012, 11:27:55 AM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 06, 2012, 08:52:36 PM

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 06, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/04/05/hoosiers-to-pay-80-of-local-tolls-for-ohio-river-bridges-project/

Another MTR alumnus, Aaron Renn.

Interesting that he favors the "8664" proposal to reroute I-64 around the metro Louisville area.

Anthony

Not really.  Aaron was always a bit anti-car on mtr.  He lives in an area near the Loop, IIRC, and I believe that colors his view of cars and freeways.  Those of us in less dense areas have a differing point of view.

Quote from: cabiness42 on April 06, 2012, 12:05:49 PM
The only people who genuinely get screwed are people who live in Clarksville and Jeffersonville and commute to downtown Louisville, because they will have to pay tolls on a bridge that already exists.

Anybody commuting to the East End gets their toll costs offset by the reduction in gas costs due to a new, more direct route, and people commuting to downtown Louisville from anyplace other than Clarksville and Jeffersonville can use I-64 as a free alternative without too much added travel time.

Also, if Hoosiers are paying 80% of the tolls, then that means that they are benefiting from 80% of the trips on the new bridge, and that blog doesn't go into the positive economic impact that Clark County should see from having the new bridge.

Is it the best deal for Indiana?  No.  Is it a better deal than not building the bridge at all?  Absolutely.

As long as they use an electronic toll collection system, it shouldn't cause problems.  Indiana already uses I-Zoom (aka I-Pass aka EZ-Pass) up north along the Indiana Toll Road.  Should be easy enough to implement for the birdges.

Finalists chosen for both portions of the Ohio River Bridges Project (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=164&ArticleID=64823) (Indiana Economic Digest)

Seven Ohio River Bridges Project finalists named (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120423/BUSINESS/304230140/Seven-Ohio-River-Bridges-Project-finalists-named?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE) (Courier-Journal)

We'll see what happens in October.

Found this, this morning, from the local paper in Southern Indiana about a resolution from New Albany considering the bridges. You can read it below, but basically they call for building the East End bridge without any tolls and leaving the Downtown span alone, for now. Apparently, this was based off of similar resolution from Jeffersonville that wants sound barrier walls placed alongside I-64 and I-265 around New Albany if the tolls are kept on the new bridges, since there would be more traffic bypassing it (their thoughts, not mine.) Any thoughts on either of the communities' resolutions?

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=175&ArticleID=65029 (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=175&ArticleID=65029)

If it takes tolls to build the East End Bridge, so be it.

I'm still not convinced of the need for a second downtown bridge.

If I'm staying in downtown Louisville for a conference, I take the Clark Memorial Bridge (US 31) if I need to go across the river. If I'm going to Indianapolis or points beyond, I typically take I-75, I-275 and I-74 and bypass Louisville.  :-D

So I probably would not be affected by a toll on the Kennedy Bridge or its new sibling.

I'm fine with the tolls on the East End Bridge.  $1 toll each way still cost less than my gas savings at current prices.

I will use the east end bridge a lot. For Reds games it will be a time saver. Going to the Highlands I will use it and then back track on I-64 to the area.

"...Indiana will break ground in August on the East End Crossing of the Ohio River Bridges Project. The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) will advertise for bids beginning Wednesday to construct a portion of the project–a $5.5 million road extension that will ultimately connect the River Ridge Commerce Center to State Road 265 and the future East End Bridge... "


Indiana seeks bids for preparatory Ohio River Bridges work (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=56257&information_id=112961&type=&syndicate=syndicate) [INDOT]

I have seen a bid up for demolition work.

Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
I have seen a bid up for demolition work.

Demolition of what?

Quote from: codyg1985 on June 01, 2012, 07:12:37 AM

Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
I have seen a bid up for demolition work.

Demolition of what?

Ahh, buildings that might be in the way?

:colorful:

Mike

Not sure what needs to be demolished on the Indiana side, but I know Kentucky had bought at least 17 of the 18 homes to be demolished in Shadow Wood-not sure if the last holdout ever gave up or not.  The homes were valued at a combined $6.4 Million.

Quote from: codyg1985 on June 01, 2012, 07:12:37 AM

Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
I have seen a bid up for demolition work.

Demolition of what?

Hopefully Bobby Knight's house.

This was the front page story in the Indianapolis Star, the word is out among Hoosiers (outside of Southern Indiana) about River Fields.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120610/NEWS/306100012/Why-Indiana-paying-255-million-tunnel-Kentucky?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120610/NEWS/306100012/Why-Indiana-paying-255-million-tunnel-Kentucky?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CIndyStar.com)

Based on the comments page, there may be reports of a fire on the grounds of the precious estate in the future. That or River Fields could compensate Indiana for their failed attempt to cockblock the bridge project.

it is an irony is that Indiana does not even have a single tunnel, but will be building one in Kentucky.

Quote from: mukade on June 10, 2012, 10:39:16 PM
it is an irony

[insert comment on prescriptive vs. descriptive language]

Quote from: mukade on June 10, 2012, 10:39:16 PM
is that Indiana does not even have a single tunnel, but will be building one in Kentucky.

Buh? Indiana has a bunch of tunnels. Here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Tunnel

No road tunnels.

There are also pedestrian tunnels.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120620/NEWS/120620029/Feds-approve-controversial-255M-tunnel-into-Kentucky?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

The article focuses on the tunnel, but does mention that the FHA has approved the project.

Kentucky beat Indiana to the first work. Demo work just off I-65 to the west and to the south of Slugger Field (yes named after Louisville Sluggers). Indiana has bid out the first actual construction and should be breaking ground next month.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/19090029/demolition-begins-to-clear-way-for-bridges-project

Here's another article regarding the demolition work in downtown Louisville, complete with a map:

http://brokensidewalk.com/2012/07/24/twelve-lane-highway-gets-started-with-ceremonial-wrecking-of-downtown/

Indiana Releases Final RFP for East End Crossing of Ohio River Bridges Project  (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=57963&information_id=116971&type=&syndicate=syndicate) (INDOT)

I found out recently that a friend of mine's girlfriend recently started working with one of the firms that is among the three finalists for the design-build contract for the I-265 east end bridge.

Wow. What part of the project is this? I never heard that they awarded a contract to any of the four consortiums. Anyway, I guess the project is officially kicked off.

Construction Begins On Bridge To Connect Indiana, Kentucky (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/bridge-connect-jeffersonville-louisville-35134/) (Indiana Public Media)

Approach construction on the Hoosier side, I think.

Quote from: mukade on August 30, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
Wow. What part of the project is this? I never heard that they awarded a contract to any of the four consortiums. Anyway, I guess the project is officially kicked off.

Construction Begins On Bridge To Connect Indiana, Kentucky (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/bridge-connect-jeffersonville-louisville-35134/) (Indiana Public Media)

The first exit north of the new bridge will be at Old Salem Road, which needs to be extended/upgraded to handle the traffic. 

Only 43 years in the making. Would have been shorter but many Kentucky Governors didn't want it. The River Fields opposition was very politically connected all the way to the Governor's. Only the sheer force of will finally moved Kentucky. Indiana has been ready to go since 05 with actual money. Tolls will be a pain but a necessary one at this time. 

The potential developer's stance seems to use some tortured logic to me. I guess allowing this sort of action helps explain why there is no east-end bridge after all these years.

Controversial subdivision would be in path of bridge (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120903/NEWS01/309030051/1001/Controversial-subdivision-would-path-bridge?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CHome%7Cs) (Courier-Journal)

Quote from: ljwestmcsd on July 26, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Here's another article regarding the demolition work in downtown Louisville, complete with a map:

http://brokensidewalk.com/2012/07/24/twelve-lane-highway-gets-started-with-ceremonial-wrecking-of-downtown/

Seeing that there were lots of historic buildings in the area, I can imagine how much opposition to the project there was. Which makes it even sadder to know that they are now gone.

Quote from: ShawnP on June 04, 2012, 10:58:25 AM

Quote from: codyg1985 on June 01, 2012, 07:12:37 AM

Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
I have seen a bid up for demolition work.

Demolition of what?

Hopefully Bobby Knight's house.

That's so funny!  :rofl:

Quote from: Henry on September 12, 2012, 02:41:06 PM

Quote from: ljwestmcsd on July 26, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Here's another article regarding the demolition work in downtown Louisville, complete with a map:

http://brokensidewalk.com/2012/07/24/twelve-lane-highway-gets-started-with-ceremonial-wrecking-of-downtown/

Seeing that there were lots of historic buildings in the area, I can imagine how much opposition to the project there was. Which makes it even sadder to know that they are now gone.

Those "historic" buildings are in a very run down area that nobody gave a damn about until people discovered that they could be used as ammunition against the bridges project.

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 12, 2012, 03:10:26 PM

Those "historic" buildings are in a very run down area that nobody gave a damn about until people discovered that they could be used as ammunition against the bridges project.

That's what I've heard, as well, even though I still think the second downtown bridge is a colossal waste of money.

I just spent three nights on the other side of the river from you, and actually got my dinner in Hoosier country last night (the Five Guys on State Street in New Albany.) Got there via I-64 and I-265 and noticed that the button copy on the Sherman Minton Bridge's upper deck is gone, and looks like some other signs have been replaced on I-64 and I-265. Went back to the hotel (Galt House) via I-265, I-65 and US 31 (Clark Bridge). Also saw where the temporary pavement markings to make the ramp from 265 to southbound 65 two lanes during the Sherman Minton closure had been removed.

Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2012, 11:31:25 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 12, 2012, 03:10:26 PM

Those "historic" buildings are in a very run down area that nobody gave a damn about until people discovered that they could be used as ammunition against the bridges project.

That's what I've heard, as well, even though I still think the second downtown bridge is a colossal waste of money.

I just spent three nights on the other side of the river from you, and actually got my dinner in Hoosier country last night (the Five Guys on State Street in New Albany.) Got there via I-64 and I-265 and noticed that the button copy on the Sherman Minton Bridge's upper deck is gone, and looks like some other signs have been replaced on I-64 and I-265. Went back to the hotel (Galt House) via I-265, I-65 and US 31 (Clark Bridge). Also saw where the temporary pavement markings to make the ramp from 265 to southbound 65 two lanes during the Sherman Minton closure had been removed.

Still, these old buildings could have undergone some sort of rehabilitation, like other large cities have done. The highway itself could still be widened, but it would have to be relocated in either a trench or Big Dig-style tunnel underneath downtown.

Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2012, 11:31:25 PM
I just spent three nights on the other side of the river from you, and actually got my dinner in Hoosier country last night (the Five Guys on State Street in New Albany.) Got there via I-64 and I-265 and noticed that the button copy on the Sherman Minton Bridge's upper deck is gone, and looks like some other signs have been replaced on I-64 and I-265. Went back to the hotel (Galt House) via I-265, I-65 and US 31 (Clark Bridge). Also saw where the temporary pavement markings to make the ramp from 265 to southbound 65 two lanes during the Sherman Minton closure had been removed.

I was in that area last Spring and saw that basically all the pavement markings and such were returned to normal as it was before the bridge closure (some of those ramps weren't built for two lanes of traffic after all.) Saw too that all the button copy on I-64 (all the way west to Perry County where some still remains) was gone and I remember the signs on the Sherman Minton Bridge, those were ancient (to me at least.)

Quote from: ljwestmcsd on July 26, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Here's another article regarding the demolition work in downtown Louisville, complete with a map:

http://brokensidewalk.com/2012/07/24/twelve-lane-highway-gets-started-with-ceremonial-wrecking-of-downtown/

Could you find a more biased source?

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 15, 2012, 09:26:48 PM

Quote from: ljwestmcsd on July 26, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Here's another article regarding the demolition work in downtown Louisville, complete with a map:

http://brokensidewalk.com/2012/07/24/twelve-lane-highway-gets-started-with-ceremonial-wrecking-of-downtown/

Could you find a more biased source?

Wait till the "8664" idiots chime in, and then you will.  :bigass:

Mods: is there a reason HB can call the 8664 guys idiots but I can't respond in kind?

Quote from: NE2 on September 15, 2012, 11:03:26 PM
Mods: is there a reason HB can call the 8664 guys idiots but I can't respond in kind?

HB is attacking a group, and you were responding with a personal attack.

Quote from: Steve on September 16, 2012, 02:54:22 AM

Quote from: NE2 on September 15, 2012, 11:03:26 PM
Mods: is there a reason HB can call the 8664 guys idiots but I can't respond in kind?

HB is attacking a group, and you were responding with a personal attack.

I believe I said "the anti-8664 idiots".

Y'know ... at least I marginally have to deal with the traffic situation in Louisville, as I go there occasionally. I know what a cluster-foxtrot tearing out I-64 would cause because I heard the horror stories about the Sherman Minton closure earlier this year. I think 86-ing I-64 is a really stupid -- idiotic, even -- idea.

I question the leadership and the decisions of the Transportation Cabinet at times but they'll never go for this stupid idea.

Quote from: hbelkins on September 16, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
I know what a cluster-foxtrot tearing out I-64 would cause because I heard the horror stories about the Sherman Minton closure earlier this year.

One closure has nothing to do with the other, despite what anti-8664 idiots may think.

Quote from: NE2 on September 16, 2012, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on September 16, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
I know what a cluster-foxtrot tearing out I-64 would cause because I heard the horror stories about the Sherman Minton closure earlier this year.

One closure has nothing to do with the other, despite what anti-8664 idiots may think.

So tell me, o combative Floridian, why do you want I-64 removed from Louisville?

Quote from: hbelkins on September 16, 2012, 01:21:26 PM

Quote from: NE2 on September 16, 2012, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on September 16, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
I know what a cluster-foxtrot tearing out I-64 would cause because I heard the horror stories about the Sherman Minton closure earlier this year.

One closure has nothing to do with the other, despite what anti-8664 idiots may think.

So tell me, o combative Floridian, why do you want I-64 removed from Louisville?

It's part of Obama's plan to make us into China.

Quote from: NE2 on September 16, 2012, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on September 16, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
I know what a cluster-foxtrot tearing out I-64 would cause because I heard the horror stories about the Sherman Minton closure earlier this year.

One closure has nothing to do with the other, despite what anti-8664 idiots may think.

I-264 would require significant improvements to carry I-64 through traffic. The only other mildly viable option is completing the I-265 connection to the northeast and designating I-64 around there. Traffic numbers need to be studied on the entire network for viability now and in 30 years before removing I-64 can be properly called an option. Otherwise, it's pipe dreaming by 8664 idiots.

Quote from: Steve on September 17, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
The only other mildly viable option is completing the I-265 connection to the northeast and designating I-64 around there.

Duh? That's what 8664 proposes...

Quote from: NE2 on September 17, 2012, 09:47:00 PM

Quote from: Steve on September 17, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
The only other mildly viable option is completing the I-265 connection to the northeast and designating I-64 around there.

Duh? That's what 8664 proposes...

I tend to not read the rantings of idiots. My bad.

Quote from: Steve on September 17, 2012, 11:22:21 PM

Quote from: NE2 on September 17, 2012, 09:47:00 PM

Quote from: Steve on September 17, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
The only other mildly viable option is completing the I-265 connection to the northeast and designating I-64 around there.

Duh? That's what 8664 proposes...

I tend to not read the rantings of idiots. My bad.

I have read their propaganda, although not for a long while. It was always interesting watching the battling between competing groups (8664 vs. River Fields) with both (in my opinion) in the wrong.

I've seen how I-64 traffic can come to a standstill during busy times. Got a good view of it out the western side of the Galt House last week, in fact. If that happens on a free-flowing interstate, imagine how bad it would be on a surface boulevard with traffic lights.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121108/BUSINESS/311080056/ohio-river-bridges-project?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home&nclick_check=1

A federal judge has denied a request by a group opposing the Ohio River Bridges Project that would have halted work on the two-bridge plan.

U.S. District Judge John B. Heyburn II ruled Thursday that the public and the parties involved in a lawsuit over the project will be best served by a final decision "on all issues based upon a full administrative record. Such a result will occur in due course."

What a gorgeous bridge! Too bad about the pathetic-looking docks in the foreground.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121114/BUSINESS/311140100/ohio-river-bridges-project?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Home|s

Quote from: theline on November 09, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
What a gorgeous bridge! Too bad about the pathetic-looking docks in the foreground.

Yes, it is. Reminds me of the Sunshine Skyway in the Tampa Bay area, with some notable differences.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121116/BUSINESS/311160079/East-End-bridge-bid-200-million-less-than-estimated?odyssey=nav|head

Can we put the six lanes back in now with it 200 million under budget?

Major Construction starts with both projects next summer with a Oct. 2016 completion on the east end roads and bridges and December 2016 on the downtown bridge and Spaghetti Junction. They plan on controlling construction times during the Derby weekend and Thunder over Louisville (never been try Thunder.....very beautiful from the Indiana side with Louisville sky line in the background). Plans are 10 bucks for Tractor Trailers, 5 bucks for Panel Trucks and 2 bucks for all others except frequent users which will be a buck. I live West of town off I-64 so I might use 5-10 times a month to go shopping in Louisville (mainly use I-265 and backdoor into the Highlands and the Malls). Not a big fan of tolls but to get it done it has to be tolled.

Quote from: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 05:14:07 PM
Not a big fan of tolls but to get it done it has to be tolled.

Tolls on bridges nover never bother me, though I've never lived in a place where I had to cross them on a regular basis. When you consider the high cost of many bridges, it seems reasonable to have the burden on the users. With transponders, it's relatively painless.

Quote from: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 05:14:07 PM
Major Construction starts with both projects next summer with a Oct. 2016 completion on the east end roads and bridges and December 2016 on the downtown bridge and Spaghetti Junction. They plan on controlling construction times during the Derby weekend and Thunder over Louisville (never been try Thunder.....very beautiful from the Indiana side with Louisville sky line in the background). Plans are 10 bucks for Tractor Trailers, 5 bucks for Panel Trucks and 2 bucks for all others except frequent users which will be a buck. I live West of town off I-64 so I might use 5-10 times a month to go shopping in Louisville (mainly use I-265 and backdoor into the Highlands and the Malls). Not a big fan of tolls but to get it done it has to be tolled.

If you want to host a Louisville meet sometime once both projects are underway, I'd be willing to help with logistics. Could also see the new SPUI at Westport Road and I-264, the new slip ramp to KY 22, and perhaps a few other things.

The toll will be well worth the money for people who want to get to the E side of Louisville from S. Indiana (or to Cincy or WVa).  Would have taken it to work every day back when I worked in Louisville.  Even after they get Spaghetti Junction fixed there's still going to be lots of traffic there and on the bridges at rush hour and I-64/I-264 is a bottleneck as well.

Glad to see the downtown bridge & Spaghetti Junction upgrades finally scheduled to start as well.

OK, not pertinent to the Bridges project but didn't want to start a new thread:  Traffic guy on FOX 41 this morning when discussing Black Friday traffic mentioned heavy traffic on IN 131.  I don't know exactly when IN 131 was decommissioned, but it was before I moved here in 2006.

Quote from: cabiness42 on November 23, 2012, 09:09:14 AM
OK, not pertinent to the Bridges project but didn't want to start a new thread:  Traffic guy on FOX 41 this morning when discussing Black Friday traffic mentioned heavy traffic on IN 131.  I don't know exactly when IN 131 was decommissioned, but it was before I moved here in 2006.

At least he didn't call it SR 231 - which is what it was before it was SR 131.

Saw a blurb in yesterday's Lexington paper about a business group from a couple of the cities across the river from Louisville filing a suit, trying to keep tolls off the new bridges, saying it would hurt their businesses. One other city (I think Jeffersonville) was considering joining in.

Yes Rocky's in one of the main folks doing this. The tolls really hit Indiana residents with a double whammy.

If they don't want to pay tolls on the new bridges, let them use the ones they have now.

What did they ever decide on, anyway? I know no tolls on the I-64 and US 31 bridges. Definitely a toll on the new (northbound) I-65 bridge. Will there be a toll on the existing I-65 bridge?

Quote from: hbelkins on November 23, 2012, 08:06:57 PM
What did they ever decide on, anyway? I know no tolls on the I-64 and US 31 bridges. Definitely a toll on the new (northbound) I-65 bridge. Will there be a toll on the existing I-65 bridge?

What about I-265, or is that too far away to define?

Quote from: Steve on November 23, 2012, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on November 23, 2012, 08:06:57 PM
What did they ever decide on, anyway? I know no tolls on the I-64 and US 31 bridges. Definitely a toll on the new (northbound) I-65 bridge. Will there be a toll on the existing I-65 bridge?

What about I-265, or is that too far away to define?

Definitely a toll in the new East End Bridge. I don't know if that bridge is going to be a part of the lawsuit or not, but since the entire two-bridges plan is essentially one huge project, you never know.

Quote
Another public forum was held Saturday on the Ohio River Bridges Project, and tolls were again the big issue for people with concerns about the plan to build two new bridges connecting Kentucky and Indiana...

Full article: Tolls remain a sticking point at Ohio River Bridges Project meeting (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=175&ArticleID=67619) (News and Tribune)

It's a go Houston.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121228/BUSINESS/312280080/ohio-river-bridges-project

Are plans available for what Spaghetti Junction 2.0 will look like?

Pretty much the same. I don't think they will be moving it further out of Butchertown, unfortunately. And unfortunately, they will not be removing the I-64 riverfront freeway.

A FYI, demolition has begun on properties for the new downtown bridge.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 28, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
And fortunately, they will not be removing the I-64 riverfront freeway.

FIFY.  ;-)

Quote from: hbelkins on December 29, 2012, 05:03:10 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 28, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
And fortunately, they will not be removing the I-64 riverfront freeway.

Fucked it up for you.  ;-)

Yep. Removing the I-64 freeway between I-65 and I-264 would really screw up Louisville traffic.

NO keep I-64.

That's my main way into downtown Louisville.

Traffic deserves to get fucked.

Quote from: NE2 on December 29, 2012, 06:34:44 PM
Traffic deserves to get fucked.

I bet Steve Winwood was quite successful expressing that sentiment ...

If only there was an east-west street full of buildings in poor condition like there was along the waterfront before I-64 was built.  Then the 8664 proponents get the improved park, and I-64 would still exist between I-65 and Ninth Street. The only access point 8664 would remove is Third Street.

Big lawsuit over this bridge just got settled

http://updates.kyinbridges.com/settlement-announced-in-bridges-project-lawsuit/

QuoteSettlement announced in Bridges Project lawsuit
Posted January 4th, 2013

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (Jan. 4, 2013) — The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT), the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet (KYTC), the National Trust for Historic Preservation and River Fields, Inc. have reached a settlement agreement in the federal litigation relating to the Ohio River Bridges Project.  The lawsuit was filed in 2009 by the National Trust and River Fields.

All four parties have agreed to dismiss the pending lawsuit initiated by the National Trust and River Fields, in exchange for additional commitments to historic preservation and public involvement.

The settlement agreement (http://updates.kyinbridges.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Settlement-Agreement-1-4-13.pdf) recognizes that INDOT and KYTC have now entered into contracts that provide for essentially simultaneous construction of the downtown and east end portions of the Project.  The settlement agreement includes a range of commitments by INDOT and KYTC regarding the protection of historic properties, public involvement and communications during construction of the Project, and issues related to drainage and water runoff.

The settlement calls for both states to create a Historic Preservation and Enhancement Fund, to be established with $1.7 million in state funds provided equally by INDOT and KYTC.  The State Historic Preservation Officers for Indiana and Kentucky will use the Fund to administer grants to local governments and non-profit organizations for rehabilitating, preserving and enhancing historic properties and districts within the areas affected by the bridges project.  The agreement lists projects that are eligible for grants from the Fund.  Eligible projects include, among others, grants for the protection and interpretation of notable African-American sites in eastern Jefferson County, Ky., including the historic Jefferson Jacobs School, a Rosenwald School, in Louisville.

The agreement also includes commitments by INDOT and KYTC to carry out actions that go above and beyond the states' existing historic preservation commitments. These additional actions include efforts to protect and relocate historic homes in Jeffersonville, Ind., one of the nation's oldest cities west of the Alleghenies; to develop and submit nominations for properties to be listed in the National Register of Historic Places; to nominate a section of Upper River Road as a National Scenic Byway; and to install historical markers.

In addition, the agreement includes commitments regarding public meetings and communications during the construction phase of the project; development of blasting and vibration monitoring plans for historic properties; and public availability of information regarding permitting for the stormwater management features of the East End Crossing.

Based on these commitments by INDOT, KYTC, the National Trust and River Fields have agreed to dismiss all of their claims in the current lawsuit and waived the right to challenge permits and approvals issued prior to execution of the settlement agreement. All the parties will bear their own attorneys' fees and other costs of the litigation.

I see River Fields got their "bribe" money.

Quote from: ShawnP on January 10, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
I see River Fields got their "bribe" money.

That's what they wanted after their actions to inflate the project's cost failed to stop it.

Quote
Construction activities on the Indiana and Kentucky approaches to the east-end bridge began this week. Tree clearing and vacant building demolition is under way in Kentucky and site preparation work was scheduled to begin Friday, according to Indiana Department of Transportation Spokesman Will Wingfield...

East-end Ohio River Bridge Project plans change, move forward (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=164&ArticleID=68247) (Indiana Economic Digest)

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130121/BUSINESS/301210082/ohio-river-bridges-project

Moving along.......

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130214/NEWS01/302140033/1001/Tree-clearing-begin-downtown-bridge-work

When will the tolls go away if ever?

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130319/BUSINESS/303190065/ohio-river-bridges-project-kentucky-public-transportation-infrastructure-authority

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130318/NEWS01/303180067/Demolition-of-Louisville-s-Baer-Fabrics-building-will-make-way-for-downtown-bridge?odyssey=underbox|text|Home

I suspect the "?odyssey=foo|bar..." part of links to articles on that site can be left out entirely.  Tracking how users navigate the site is one thing, but that info doesn't need to persist when the user shares an article with others – especially when that info is mangled anyway by phpBB which thinks the url stops at the first |.

http://www.whas.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=283307&article=11115177

It'll be interesting to see if Indiana renumbers the exits on their stretch of I-265 so that it continues on from the Kentucky exit numbering.  The Indiana stretch goes from 0 at I-64 to 10 at the end of SR 265, with another new exit for Old Salem Road (which would be 11 or 12 under the current numbering).

The Kentucky section starts at 1 at 841 & 31W and goes up to 35 where I-265 presently ends, and the US 42 partial interchange would be beyond that.

If I-265 were to form a complete circumferential loop, its exits should be numbered starting with 0 on the south side at I-65 and running clockwise.  As a half-circle loop with both its ends at the same Interstate, numbering should start at the south or west end, depending on the direction of the anchoring Interstate.

The unified I-265 will be a three-quarter-circle arc, intersecting I-64 and I-65 twice each.  AASHTO/FHWA don't offer guidance on that.  It seems like unified mileage and exit numbers would be preferable, but no specific solution seems to be superior to the others.

I think I'd lean towards extending Indiana's numbering over the Kentucky section, but not strongly so.

My thinking was that there's less mileage, far fewer exits (only 3 where the exit numbers are actively used at the moment), and less traffic on the Indiana side, so it'd be cheaper and lead to less disruption for Indiana to adopt Kentucky's numbering than the other way around.

I don't think the fact that the numbers would be going counter-clockwise would be a huge deal, since it's highly unlikely they'll ever see a need to finish the complete loop.

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Dozens-of-acres-cleared-for-Ohio-River-Bridges-Project-199059411.html

Quote from: vtk on March 28, 2013, 02:29:15 AM
If I-265 were to form a complete circumferential loop, its exits should be numbered starting with 0 on the south side at I-65 and running clockwise.  As a half-circle loop with both its ends at the same Interstate, numbering should start at the south or west end, depending on the direction of the anchoring Interstate.

The unified I-265 will be a three-quarter-circle arc, intersecting I-64 and I-65 twice each.  AASHTO/FHWA don't offer guidance on that.  It seems like unified mileage and exit numbers would be preferable, but no specific solution seems to be superior to the others.

I think I'd lean towards extending Indiana's numbering over the Kentucky section, but not strongly so.

It's inconsistent, even within metro areas.  I'll use Indiana's next door neighbor Illinois as an example.

I-280 uses Iowa's numbering up to I-74.
I-255 uses Missouri's numbering back up to I-270; however...
I-270 resets at the Mississippi River coming from Missouri into Illinois.  Never mind that I-270 does what I-265 will do, meet two different interstates including its parent twice.

The Indiana portion of I-265 should be numbered to connect with the numbering of the Snyder Freeway (not necessarily the I-265 portion, since the Snyder Freeway existed before I-265). Granted, it's a unique case with the southern end of the freeway not terminating at I-65 (though its child route does), and the northern end of the soon-to-be-complete I-265 terminating at I-64; however, I just feel the simplest solution for now is to renumber Indiana's section for uniformity, since it's the shorter portion of the future 3/4 circle.

If plans ever go through to build a western Ohio River bridge for I-265 and connect it to the current western end of the Snyder, then follow the I-275 model upriver, and number the mileage based on the loop, starting at "six o'clock" and counting up clockwise.

Did you mean upriver and clockwise?

Quote from: vtk on April 12, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Did you mean upriver and clockwise?

After rereading my previous post, you are right on both fronts.

As for the clockwise part, I should have been much more specific. I based counter-clockwise on counting down, though I am sure it's easier to clarify with clockwise based on counting up.

I still stand by "six o'clock." :) Jokes aside, my original post will be edited for clarity.

I think this was already known, but not posted here:
http://updates.kyinbridges.com/all-electronic-tolling-no-toll-plazas-coin-buckets-or-waiting-in-line/

QuoteFRANKFORT, Ky. (April 16, 2013) — Members of the Kentucky Public Transportation Infrastructure Authority (KPTIA) today were briefed on all-electronic tolling, the kind of state-of-the-art system Kentucky and Indiana plan for use in the Ohio River Bridges Project.

No toll plazas. No coin buckets. No stopping and waiting in line. Traffic flows freely, unimpeded, through tolling points.

Unlike the toll plazas and traffic lines that once defined all of Kentucky's parkways and many of its bridges, all-electronic tolling is what the name implies: For drivers with transponders, tolls are automatically debited from a pre-paid account. Drivers without transponders are invoiced on the basis of license plate images captured by video cameras on overhead gantries. There is no cash collection option on the roadway.

"All-electronic tolling holds a number of benefits for the traveling public. There is greater safety because traffic keeps flowing at a sustained speed. And because there is less infrastructure, our capital and maintenance costs are lower,"  said Kentucky Transportation Secretary Mike Hancock, who also is chairman of KPTIA.

Similar to other systems where you either have a transponder or they take a picture of your license plate and a bill comes in the mail to the owner of the car.

I presume Kentucky will join E-Z Pass once the bridges open.

Noticed some work today already on the Indiana side of downtown.

http://newsandtribune.com/local/x437165870/Bridge-work-starts-this-week

Finally, the eastern half of the I-265 outer loop will be complete by 2016!

Could be a potential road meet focus in about 2 to 3 years. :-)

Quote from: jpi on April 24, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
Could be a potential road meet focus in about 2 to 3 years. :-)

I think I might be able to make it to that one.

If someone in the Louisville area wanted to host and plan the meet, I'd help. I'm not in Louisville often enough to do a lot of scouting.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/22108755/crews-drill-test-shaft-for-downtown-bridge-support-piers

Went over to In-265 today. Clearing and grubbing has already started.........

Went to Rocky's today and the Golden Arches and Waffle House have started to come down to make way for the downtown bridge.

Quote from: ShawnP on May 09, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Went to Rocky's today and the Golden Arches and Waffle House have started to come down to make way for the downtown bridge.

I live near the other Jeff McDonald's and man the traffic around there has gotten insane during breakfast and lunch hours. 

Posted some clearing and grubbing pics on this little Program called Facebook on the Internet.

Quote from: ShawnP on April 30, 2013, 07:42:47 PM
Went over to In-265 today. Clearing and grubbing has already started.........

From what road are you able to see the work going on?

Right off Port Road as it goes towards 265.

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2013/05/28/east-end-bridge-work-to-begin.html

Groundbreaking "officially" on June 18th, 2013. As others and I have noted work has already started.

http://www.whas.com/articles/84-whas-local-news-283307/groundbreaking-for-new-downtown-bridge-set-11362633/

INDOT has some photos of the Old Salem Road exit construction on their FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.474101996011853.1073741834.273670769388311&type=1

Dang it beat me to it.

Local news outlets chose last night to remind us that the Eastbound I-64 to Southbound I-65 ramp will close on July 8 for 1,000 days (yes, one thousand).  Detour route will be I-264 (Watterson).

Might as well go for a full 8,664 days.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/22656740/bridges-downtown-crossing-construction-to-begin

Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2013, 07:40:11 AM
Local news outlets chose last night to remind us that the Eastbound I-64 to Southbound I-65 ramp will close on July 8 for 1,000 days (yes, one thousand).  Detour route will be I-264 (Watterson).

This closure has been pushed back to July 15. 

Tunnel blasting is going now so that I-265 can be built under US 42 and continue on to the new East End Bridge.  Was a story on the local news in Louisville about it.

http://www.wave3.com/story/22796946/tunnel-blasting-doesnt-seem-to-disrupt-neighbors

I have no problem if Riverfields folks were allowed to view the blasting from 1 inch away. No problem at ALL.

Quote from: ShawnP on July 11, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
I have no problem if Riverfields folks were allowed to view the blasting from 1 inch away. No problem at ALL.

Only if the 8664 idiots are right there with them.

I work about a mile from the Indiana side of the new downtown bridge project so I go down there once or twice a week on my lunch hour to check on progress.

Market and Riverside streets: All properties in the ROW have been moved/demolished
Maple St.: This is a dead end street and now it is blocked off so it's hard to tell what's been done
Court Ave: McDonald's building has been totally demolished.
Broadway St.: Waffle House building has been totally demolished. 
Token Club building looks like it's about to go down. 
Fresenius Medical building is vacated but no signs yet of impending demolition.
Certified Marine Center building is vacated
VFW Blvd: Storage Express and VFW vacated

Checked off I-265/In-265 and they are cranking work up big time. Road leading to the Port is area is down to alternating one way traffic and signs are up for major work coming up. Didn't get any pictures but next Monday I will and post them via this program called Facebook.

I'm going to be in Louisville next week for a conference. Any photos that I should be on the lookout for?

Downtown bridge is going full tilt as others said with lots of demo and pours for piers already in place. East end is blasting on the Kentucky side and as I said work is starting at the end of I-265/IN-265. Salem road overpass should be done shortly as it was the first project started on the East end bridge.

Major work is rolling..............east end at the end of the Snyder they have demo work going full time. Downtown they have 64 east bound to 65 south bound shut down for 3 plus years (doing a untie like the Grandview Triangle in KC). Interesting is a HUGE pile of gravel just east of I-65 on the south side of I-64.

Demolition just about finished on the Indiana side of the downtown bridge.  Would be neat to get an overhead photo to show the path cleared in Jeffersonville from the river all the way up to 10th street.

Some aerial views for those that asked for some.

http://www.whas11.com/news/Ohio-River-Bridges-Project-adds-more-delays-closures-222010901.html

There's a publicist who's been hired specifically for this project, yet the news report linked above is the first I've heard about these closures. She is definitely not doing as good a job as the KYTC spokesperson for the Louisville district office would be doing.

I see Andrea Clifford on the news a lot and yes she answers annoying road geek questions quickly.

Andrea is a co-worker and a very good friend of mine. (Even if she is a Jeff Gordon fan... :bigass: )

She does a great job of getting the word out on lane closures, ramp closures, etc. The lady they hired for the bridges project is, from what I've observed, nowhere near as efficient.

In Jeffersonville, VFW Boulevard and 7th street have been permanently closed at the downtown bridge site.  Most of the work right now is going on south of Court Ave but they're apparently getting ready to do some work north of Court.

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 10, 2013, 10:07:54 AM
In Jeffersonville, VFW Boulevard and 7th street have been permanently closed at the downtown bridge site.  Most of the work right now is going on south of Court Ave but they're apparently getting ready to do some work north of Court.

I get to be somewhat involved with the project, enough to know that the next section to be worked on will be the new NB CD system running from Court to 10th.  Both 7th & VFW are in the way of the grading work.

They've set initial toll rates.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=35

Still no word on what kind of transponder will be used, but I'd be shocked if it's not E-ZPass since Indiana uses it and the three other states bordering Kentucky that have electronic tolling (IL, WV and VA) also use E-ZPass.

Also worthy of note is the automatic toll increases scheduled for every year.

Quote from: hbelkins on September 11, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
They've set initial toll rates.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=35

Still no word on what kind of transponder will be used, but I'd be shocked if it's not E-ZPass since Indiana uses it and the three other states bordering Kentucky that have electronic tolling (IL, WV and VA) also use E-ZPass.

Also worthy of note is the automatic toll increases scheduled for every year.

I thought Illinois and Indiana used I-Pass.  Not that there's a practical difference anymore...

Speaking of EZ-Pass, I noticed that the entire northeast uses it.  Here in the southeast it is Peach Pass in Georgia and Sun Pass in Florida.  Has their been any move to have these passes work around the country or have a national version of EZ-Pass?  Standardization would be nice.

Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on September 12, 2013, 06:48:02 AM
Speaking of EZ-Pass, I noticed that the entire northeast uses it.  Here in the southeast it is Peach Pass in Georgia and Sun Pass in Florida.  Has their been any move to have these passes work around the country or have a national version of EZ-Pass?  Standardization would be nice.

It's going to happen: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/dec/31/in-the-know-when-will-e-zpass-and-sunpass-be/

Quote from: vtk on September 11, 2013, 11:23:44 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on September 11, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
They've set initial toll rates.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=35

Still no word on what kind of transponder will be used, but I'd be shocked if it's not E-ZPass since Indiana uses it and the three other states bordering Kentucky that have electronic tolling (IL, WV and VA) also use E-ZPass.

Also worthy of note is the automatic toll increases scheduled for every year.

I thought Illinois and Indiana used I-Pass.  Not that there's a practical difference anymore...

At first Indiana had its own transponders called i-Zoom, but then they switched to EZ-Pass. 

News story w/ video on the New Salem Road interchange on the Indiana side of the East End Bridge:

http://www.wdrb.com/story/23388076/new-interchange

Quote from: hbelkins on September 11, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
They've set initial toll rates.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=35

Still no word on what kind of transponder will be used, but I'd be shocked if it's not E-ZPass since Indiana uses it and the three other states bordering Kentucky that have electronic tolling (IL, WV and VA) also use E-ZPass.

Also worthy of note is the automatic toll increases scheduled for every year.

Glad they're giving the frequent commuters a break but the 2nd Street bridge and Sherman Minton are going to be packed with cars.

Quote from: thefro on September 12, 2013, 10:36:20 AM

Quote from: hbelkins on September 11, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
They've set initial toll rates.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=35

Still no word on what kind of transponder will be used, but I'd be shocked if it's not E-ZPass since Indiana uses it and the three other states bordering Kentucky that have electronic tolling (IL, WV and VA) also use E-ZPass.

Also worthy of note is the automatic toll increases scheduled for every year.

Glad they're giving the frequent commuters a break but the 2nd Street bridge and Sherman Minton are going to be packed with cars.

You'd probably burn as much or more in gas trying to detour via the Sherman Minton as you would just paying the toll and crossing on I-65. And the 2nd Street bridge (Clark Memorial) is already the better option for commuters crossing the river into downtown.

Quote from: thefro on September 12, 2013, 10:36:20 AM

Quote from: hbelkins on September 11, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
They've set initial toll rates.

http://transportation.ky.gov/Pages/PressReleasePage.aspx?&FilterField1=ID&FilterValue1=35

Still no word on what kind of transponder will be used, but I'd be shocked if it's not E-ZPass since Indiana uses it and the three other states bordering Kentucky that have electronic tolling (IL, WV and VA) also use E-ZPass.

Also worthy of note is the automatic toll increases scheduled for every year.

Glad they're giving the frequent commuters a break but the 2nd Street bridge and Sherman Minton are going to be packed with cars.

Does this mean that tolling will take place on both bridges or just the east end bridge.

Both I-65 and I-265.

Quote from: vtk on September 11, 2013, 11:23:44 PM
I thought Illinois and Indiana used I-Pass.  Not that there's a practical difference anymore...

Indiana uses EZPass, though they initially branded it as iZoom. They have since had the good sense of giving it the more recognizable brand name.

Illinois does use I-Pass, which is the transponder I own. Although I live in Indiana, I've never bothered to switch.

Are these tolls permanent?

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 13, 2013, 01:18:52 PM
Are these tolls permanent?

More than likely. However, if precedence holds true, the Downtown Crossing may go free again after a few decades, since Kentucky is in control of that portion of the project. In past history, Kentucky let its parkways (and the Kentucky Turnpike portion of I-65) go free after debts were satisfied.

Since Indiana controls the East End (I-265) portion of the project, I would bet that those tolls will stay permanent.

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 13, 2013, 10:53:48 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 13, 2013, 01:18:52 PM
Are these tolls permanent?

More than likely. However, if precedence holds true, the Downtown Crossing may go free again after a few decades, since Kentucky is in control of that portion of the project. In past history, Kentucky let its parkways (and the Kentucky Turnpike portion of I-65) go free after debts were satisfied.

Since Indiana controls the East End (I-265) portion of the project, I would bet that those tolls will stay permanent.

I am in favor of all "interstate branded" highways having a sunset date for tolling as of (lets say) 2035. This would take an act of congress to get it done. I propose that there be no grandfather clauses. Meaning that all tolled interstate routes would need to be phased out by that date.

Quote from: Indyroads on September 13, 2013, 11:57:00 PM

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 13, 2013, 10:53:48 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 13, 2013, 01:18:52 PM
Are these tolls permanent?

More than likely. However, if precedence holds true, the Downtown Crossing may go free again after a few decades, since Kentucky is in control of that portion of the project. In past history, Kentucky let its parkways (and the Kentucky Turnpike portion of I-65) go free after debts were satisfied.

Since Indiana controls the East End (I-265) portion of the project, I would bet that those tolls will stay permanent.

I am in favor of all "interstate branded" highways having a sunset date for tolling as of (lets say) 2035. This would take an act of congress to get it done. I propose that there be no grandfather clauses. Meaning that all tolled interstate routes would need to be phased out by that date.

A lot of toll roads would elect to drop the Interstate designation if that were the case. You'll especially never accomplish this on major bridge crossings.

what do you guys think of this person's opinion on the project? http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/09/19/louisville-bridges-project-proceeds-from-tragedy-to-farce/

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 19, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
what do you guys think of this person's opinion on the project? http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/09/19/louisville-bridges-project-proceeds-from-tragedy-to-farce/

A lot of people think that the new downtown bridge isn't needed.  In the end, getting both was the only way to get the East End bridge, which is badly needed. 

Honestly I think the new bridge just doesn't look right compared to the other bridges downtown, all of them some sort of truss bridge, and then you have this futuristic looking thing plopped in the middle. At least on the East End it will stand out by itself.

Quote from: theline on September 12, 2013, 02:20:52 PM

Quote from: vtk on September 11, 2013, 11:23:44 PM
I thought Illinois and Indiana used I-Pass.  Not that there's a practical difference anymore...

Indiana uses EZPass, though they initially branded it as iZoom. They have since had the good sense of giving it the more recognizable brand name.

Except on the toll bridge for IN 62/IL 141 across the Wabash:
http://www.in.gov/indot/2708.htm (http://www.in.gov/indot/2708.htm)

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 19, 2013, 04:26:02 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 19, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
what do you guys think of this person's opinion on the project? http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/09/19/louisville-bridges-project-proceeds-from-tragedy-to-farce/

A lot of people think that the new downtown bridge isn't needed.  In the end, getting both was the only way to get the East End bridge, which is badly needed. 

In he proposed tearing down I-86 along the waterfront. Usuallyi am vehemently opposed to the removal of a freeway from a downtown region but since the freeway is only 2 lanes wide and served by an insufficiently wide tunnel and I-71 to the east is it better replaced by the proposed  waterfront parkway? It seems to me there are somewhat nefarious motive behind many of the freeway removal projects that end up creating massive congestion because a needed road was demolished in the spirit of environmentalism run amok, however in this case, the people could have a point. and I can see the value to having a desirable waterfront district. Maybe even allowing more development up to and closer to the river rather than just the park.

However it would be fair to ask... can the riverfront plans coexist with the freeway?

Does rerouting I-84 along an out of the way routing I-265 or I-264 make more sense?

Is it possible or futile to widen I-64 through downtown and to the east tunnel and beyond?

What other options do we have for I-64 that allow for expansion and better flow for through traffic.

Quote from: Indyroads on September 19, 2013, 06:12:06 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 19, 2013, 04:26:02 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 19, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
what do you guys think of this person's opinion on the project? http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/09/19/louisville-bridges-project-proceeds-from-tragedy-to-farce/

A lot of people think that the new downtown bridge isn't needed.  In the end, getting both was the only way to get the East End bridge, which is badly needed. 

In he proposed tearing down I-86 along the waterfront. Usuallyi am vehemently opposed to the removal of a freeway from a downtown region but since the freeway is only 2 lanes wide and served by an insufficiently wide tunnel and I-71 to the east is it better replaced by the proposed  waterfront parkway? It seems to me there are somewhat nefarious motive behind many of the freeway removal projects that end up creating massive congestion because a needed road was demolished in the spirit of environmentalism run amok, however in this case, the people could have a point. and I can see the value to having a desirable waterfront district. Maybe even allowing more development up to and closer to the river rather than just the park.

However it would be fair to ask... can the riverfront plans coexist with the freeway?

Does rerouting I-84 along an out of the way routing I-265 or I-264 make more sense?

Is it possible or futile to widen I-64 through downtown and to the east tunnel and beyond?

What other options do we have for I-64 that allow for expansion and better flow for through traffic.

The same guy also advocates getting rid of I65/70 inside 465 in Indy.  And replacing it with a crappy parkway.

I think something important to keep in mind is I'm not sure you can fix Spaghetti Junction without the new bridge.  There's a ton of wrecks (causing backups all the way to a few miles into Indiana) due to the extremely poor design of that I-65/I-64/I-71 interchange.  Having enough lanes southbound so that traffic can funnel themselves into the right spots easily is part of that.  There is very poor visibility for signage, not to mention you can't really change lanes since the bridge is definitely operating at capacity at rush hour.

And getting rid of I-65/I-70 through Indianapolis would be pretty goofy (it's shut down now for them to raise some overpasses and is definitely causing traffic problems all over Indy).

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 20, 2013, 12:08:35 AM

Quote from: Indyroads on September 19, 2013, 06:12:06 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 19, 2013, 04:26:02 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 19, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
what do you guys think of this person's opinion on the project? http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/09/19/louisville-bridges-project-proceeds-from-tragedy-to-farce/

A lot of people think that the new downtown bridge isn't needed.  In the end, getting both was the only way to get the East End bridge, which is badly needed. 

In he proposed tearing down I-86 along the waterfront. Usuallyi am vehemently opposed to the removal of a freeway from a downtown region but since the freeway is only 2 lanes wide and served by an insufficiently wide tunnel and I-71 to the east is it better replaced by the proposed  waterfront parkway? It seems to me there are somewhat nefarious motive behind many of the freeway removal projects that end up creating massive congestion because a needed road was demolished in the spirit of environmentalism run amok, however in this case, the people could have a point. and I can see the value to having a desirable waterfront district. Maybe even allowing more development up to and closer to the river rather than just the park.

However it would be fair to ask... can the riverfront plans coexist with the freeway?

Does rerouting I-84 along an out of the way routing I-265 or I-264 make more sense?

Is it possible or futile to widen I-64 through downtown and to the east tunnel and beyond?

What other options do we have for I-64 that allow for expansion and better flow for through traffic.

The same guy also advocates getting rid of I65/70 inside 465 in Indy.  And replacing it with a crappy parkway.

Yeah, No, that would be a total train wreck doing that. Sounds like this Urbanophile guy is one of those environmental-leftist-back to horse and buggy types.

Quote from: Indyroads on September 20, 2013, 10:39:53 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 20, 2013, 12:08:35 AM

Quote from: Indyroads on September 19, 2013, 06:12:06 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 19, 2013, 04:26:02 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 19, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
what do you guys think of this person's opinion on the project? http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/09/19/louisville-bridges-project-proceeds-from-tragedy-to-farce/

A lot of people think that the new downtown bridge isn't needed.  In the end, getting both was the only way to get the East End bridge, which is badly needed. 

In he proposed tearing down I-86 along the waterfront. Usuallyi am vehemently opposed to the removal of a freeway from a downtown region but since the freeway is only 2 lanes wide and served by an insufficiently wide tunnel and I-71 to the east is it better replaced by the proposed  waterfront parkway? It seems to me there are somewhat nefarious motive behind many of the freeway removal projects that end up creating massive congestion because a needed road was demolished in the spirit of environmentalism run amok, however in this case, the people could have a point. and I can see the value to having a desirable waterfront district. Maybe even allowing more development up to and closer to the river rather than just the park.

However it would be fair to ask... can the riverfront plans coexist with the freeway?

Does rerouting I-84 along an out of the way routing I-265 or I-264 make more sense?

Is it possible or futile to widen I-64 through downtown and to the east tunnel and beyond?

What other options do we have for I-64 that allow for expansion and better flow for through traffic.

The same guy also advocates getting rid of I65/70 inside 465 in Indy.  And replacing it with a crappy parkway.

Yeah, No, that would be a total train wreck doing that. Sounds like this Urbanophile guy is one of those environmental-leftist-back to horse and buggy types.

Yep, people like that would love to remove all interstates. 

Tonight at 9pm, The 6th Street entrance ramp to I-65 North in Jeffersonville closes permanently.  10th Street will now be the southernmost point of entry for I-65 North in Indiana.  Broadway St. is also closing permanently between 6th St. and Court Ave.

The old timers may remember that "Urbanophile guy" as a former MTR regular...

As I recall, the 8664 folks are not advocating (per se) for removal of I-64 east of downtown...they're calling for removal of I-64 where it borders the riverfront.  IMO (and answering an earlier question of Indyroads), a vibrant riverfront and I-64 cannot co-exist.  It's either one or the other.

And with a true bypass of Louisville, that can actually happen. Also of consideration is that Interstate 64 cannot be widened east of downtown due to Cherokee Park and the tunnels.

Quote from: froggie on October 03, 2013, 08:26:08 AM
The old timers may remember that "Urbanophile guy" as a former MTR regular...

As I recall, the 8664 folks are not advocating (per se) for removal of I-64 east of downtown...they're calling for removal of I-64 where it borders the riverfront.  IMO (and answering an earlier question of Indyroads), a vibrant riverfront and I-64 cannot co-exist.  It's either one or the other.

Not necessarily in Louisville.

http://goo.gl/maps/fD7t9

There's a nicely-used riverfront to the right of the Yum Center in the aerial view, plus the pedestrian approach to the Big Four Bridge (scroll to the right).

The Belle of Louisville and Joe's Crab Shack are pretty much in the center of the photo.

Scroll to the left, past the Galt House hotel and the area where the interstate passed by a structure that is shown at http://goo.gl/maps/b2BW2, and you're in a part of town that no one should really want to venture for recreational purposes.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 03, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
Scroll to the left, past the Galt House hotel and the area where the interstate passed by a structure that is shown at http://goo.gl/maps/b2BW2, and you're in a part of town that no one white should really want to venture for recreational purposes.

Fixed.

Quote from: NE2 on October 03, 2013, 11:00:28 AM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 03, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
Scroll to the left, past the Galt House hotel and the area where the interstate passed by a structure that is shown at http://goo.gl/maps/b2BW2, and you're in a part of town that no one white should really want to venture for recreational purposes.

Fixed.

Not really. You run into a lot of power lines and an electrical substation next to the river, then before long there's the railroad tracks. And by that time you are well away from the hotels, the convention centers, the arenas and the office buildings where people who would typically use the riverfront are congretated, and into a more industrial section of town, even as you drive down Main Street. There's really not much that's worth anything there west of about 8th or 9th Street.

Quote from: froggie on October 03, 2013, 08:26:08 AM
The old timers may remember that "Urbanophile guy" as a former MTR regular...

As I recall, the 8664 folks are not advocating (per se) for removal of I-64 east of downtown...they're calling for removal of I-64 where it borders the riverfront.  IMO (and answering an earlier question of Indyroads), a vibrant riverfront and I-64 cannot co-exist.  It's either one or the other.

You can always bury it like they're doing 265, problem solved. 

Next to a river? The Interstate 265 tunnel is on a bluff. Interstate 64 is literally hugging the waterline.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 03, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Next to a river? The Interstate 265 tunnel is on a bluff. Interstate 64 is literally hugging the waterline.

Sure, why not?  We place tunnels under watercourses all the time.  Why not a full freeway next to the watercourse?

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 03, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Next to a river? The Interstate 265 tunnel is on a bluff. Interstate 64 is literally hugging the waterline.

It's not impossible

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 03, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Next to a river? The Interstate 265 tunnel is on a bluff. Interstate 64 is literally hugging the waterline.

It's not impossible

Big Dig Jr. or Son of Big Dig

Quote from: rte66man on October 04, 2013, 09:50:51 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 03, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Next to a river? The Interstate 265 tunnel is on a bluff. Interstate 64 is literally hugging the waterline.

It's not impossible

Big Dig Jr. or Son of Big Dig

:rofl:

This is what is was referring to (about 65/70) http://www.urbanophile.com/2013/10/04/indianapolis-freeway-teardown-follow-up/

Quote from: rte66man on October 04, 2013, 09:50:51 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 03, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Next to a river? The Interstate 265 tunnel is on a bluff. Interstate 64 is literally hugging the waterline.

It's not impossible

Big Dig Jr. or Son of Big Dig

That would be Little Dig, right?

Similar to what I recently did for the I-20/59 Birmingham proposal (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10598), I've started sketching out an I-64 waterfront removal (or downgrade) concept.  Will post a map once completed (possibly in a couple weeks once I'm back stateside).

You'd have to protect I-64 from flooding. Floodgates would be necessary, and in the event they're installed, there goes downtown access.

Not going to happen with a underground tunnel ideal as the water table is just as close to surface as portions of Louisiana. Large sections of Louisville are constantly flooded with every heavy rain.

I-65 Northbound is getting a new temporary exit ramp at Exit 0.  Traffic is expected to be diverted to the new ramp beginning Tuesday 12/3.

UPDATE: Here is a story about the new ramp: http://www.wdrb.com/story/24114772/exit-0-ramp-into-jeffersonville-to-shift-starting-tuesday-afternoon

It looks like a very sharp right onto the new ramp. 

I thought Exit 0 was going away.  Was I wrong?

Quote from: tidecat on December 03, 2013, 08:38:39 PM
I thought Exit 0 was going away.  Was I wrong?

My understanding is that Southbound Exit 0 is being eliminated but it will still exist Northbound. 

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 04, 2013, 07:58:44 AM

Quote from: tidecat on December 03, 2013, 08:38:39 PM
I thought Exit 0 was going away.  Was I wrong?

My understanding is that Southbound Exit 0 is being eliminated but it will still exist Northbound.

That'd be smart as it already is a bottleneck as-is.  Add people changing lanes quickly to try to dart off the Interstate and avoid the tolls and it could get pretty bad in the future.

I-65 Exit 1 Southbound (Stansifer Ave/10th St/US 31) has a new traffic pattern.  The ramp/access road has been shifted to the right onto new pavement. 

The ramp from I-65 northbound to I-64 westbound has been closed indefinitely due to the discovery of a failing support column.
The I-64 eastbound to I-65 southbound ramp is already closed to due bridge construction.

I-264 is the detour for both closures.

I don't now the sequence of construction, obviously, but in light of this development, could they not just close all ramps from 65 North to 64 and all ramps from 64 going south on 65, would that speed up construction?

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 22, 2013, 07:23:42 AM
The ramp from I-65 northbound to I-64 westbound has been closed indefinitely due to the discovery of a failing support column.
The I-64 eastbound to I-65 southbound ramp is already closed to due bridge construction.

I-264 is the detour for both closures.

The contractor on site for the new bridge is going to fix the support column.

They should have built 265 first. Then 86ed 64 west of 65.

Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
They should have built 265 first. Then 86ed 64 west of 65.

That never was/is going to happen.  A lot of really rich people live in Floyd county and commute to downtown Louisville via I-64.

Although I am not one to necessarily argue for the 8664 idea, didn't that plan include keeping the I-64 freeway segment from I-264 to Downtown Louisville but without the freeway connection to 65 and 71?

The ramp is back open.

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 22, 2013, 06:23:22 PM
Although I am not one to necessarily argue for the 8664 idea, didn't that plan include keeping the I-64 freeway segment from I-264 to Downtown Louisville but without the freeway connection to 65 and 71?

Yes.  The stub of I-64 ("I-364" under the 8664 plan) would have run from the current junction of I-64 and I-265 to 22nd Street.

Quote from: tidecat on January 04, 2014, 03:43:49 PM

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 22, 2013, 06:23:22 PM
Although I am not one to necessarily argue for the 8664 idea, didn't that plan include keeping the I-64 freeway segment from I-264 to Downtown Louisville but without the freeway connection to 65 and 71?

Yes.  The stub of I-64 ("I-364" under the 8664 plan) would have run from the current junction of I-64 and I-265 to 22nd Street.

well the 8664 people lost they need to get over it and accept the new plan

There is no losing or winning. There is compromise and revaluation. After the beltway has been completed, it would be good to reexamine traffic patterns and how they shift and see if the 8664 proposal would be worth exploring. After all, the viaduct along the river will need significant rehabilitation in another 20 years - and its demolition could be justified - just like many other elevated highways.

Sherman, that might be 8664's next best shot - wait for I-64 over the Great Lawn to need replacement.  Depending on growth patterns, it might also be wise to push one of the two as a companion part of the plan:

(1) An extension and new non-interstate bridge for US 31W from the Portland area, to Vincennes Street.  US 31W can use IN-111 and IN-311 to rejoin US 31 at Sellersburg, which of course is to where US 31E would be extended.  This makes the Portland area more accessible from Indiana, and provides an alternative should there be a problem with I-64 over the Ohio River.

(2) A southwestern bridge to connect the Gene Snyder Freeway to I-64 in Indiana.

Quote from: tidecat on January 05, 2014, 06:32:27 PM
Sherman, that might be 8664's next best shot - wait for I-64 over the Great Lawn to need replacement.  Depending on growth patterns, it might also be wise to push one of the two as a companion part of the plan:

(1) An extension and new non-interstate bridge for US 31W from the Portland area, to Vincennes Street.  US 31W can use IN-111 and IN-311 to rejoin US 31 at Sellersburg, which of course is to where US 31E would be extended.  This makes the Portland area more accessible from Indiana, and provides an alternative should there be a problem with I-64 over the Ohio River.

(2) A southwestern bridge to connect the Gene Snyder Freeway to I-64 in Indiana.

This is assuming indiana would agree on doing that.  311 doesn't exist anymore, and 111 barely still exists.

It's taken them decades just to build the I-265 east end bridge. With Brent Spence needing replacement and a new I-69 crossing also needed, I don't think Louisville will be getting any more bridges anytime soon.

I also don't think the 8664 idea will go anywhere. As badly as I talk about Louisville, there are some people with intelligence there.  :bigass:

QuoteIt's taken them decades just to build the I-265 east end bridge. With Brent Spence needing replacement and a new I-69 crossing also needed, I don't think Louisville will be getting any more bridges anytime soon.

A stronger argument could be made for either a new I-64 bridge or a new bridge nearby it than for a new I-69 bridge.  Especially with the way Federal funding has gone over the past few years, I-69 is at best on life support, if not flatlining.

Quote from: tidecat on January 05, 2014, 06:32:27 PM
(2) A southwestern bridge to connect the Gene Snyder Freeway to I-64 in Indiana.

The problem with building that bridge is not just the bridge, but the 15 or so miles from the bridge up to I-64, over some very hilly terrain.  It's also questionable how useful such a bridge would be for purposes other than going to the Horseshoe.

The terrain appears to level off greatly west of SR 11. Not that this bridge would necessarily be a good idea, but the hills probably aren't a problem.

Some traffic changes coming up on the Indiana side:

On the east end: Beginning Thursday afternoon, the westbound lanes of IN 265 will close from 10th Street to Coopers Lane.  Eastbound and westbound traffic will each use one of the eastbound lanes.  People who commute to/from Clark Maritime Center via IN 265 are going to see increased travel times.

Downtown: Beginning Monday morning, Missouri Ave will be closed between Court Ave and Clark Blvd for utility work.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20140124/NEWS01/301240050/Ohio-River-bridges-price-tag-slashed-by-240-million

Both bridges are now supposed to be substantially complete by the end of 2016 according to this article.  East End Bridge by October 2016 (8 months ahead of schedule) and new downtown bridge by December 2016 (19 months ahead of schedule).

They've saved $240 million from the estimated price tag, mainly by shaving 200 feet off the tunnel on the Kentucky approach ($200 million savings) and by lower construction costs due to the schedule being sped up.

I'll be in Louisville June 4-6 for a work conference and that would make it awfully handy to have a meet there on Saturday, June 7.

However... https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11553.0

As you can see there, I probably won't have a chance to scout for the meet and come up with a tour.

Would some of the posters on this thread who live near Louisville be willing to help out with putting something together?

I live in the area and have time, but I've never organized or even been to a road meet before, so I'm not sure exactly what I would need to do.

Quote from: cabiness42 on February 07, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
I live in the area and have time, but I've never organized or even been to a road meet before, so I'm not sure exactly what I would need to do.

You'd need to come up with a small amount of places to go see on a short tour.  Any new construction projects, any historic roads/bridges, etc that you think people might find interesting and photogenic.

Here's a thread about hosting a road meet: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9498.0

Quote from: cabiness42 on February 07, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
I live in the area and have time, but I've never organized or even been to a road meet before, so I'm not sure exactly what I would need to do.

I'd like to find places to see the progress of construction on both sides of the river for both bridges. Places where we could park with good access to views of construction sites.

It'd be best to confine talk about the meet itself to the meet thread (http://"https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11553.0") I started.

Not related to the bridges construction project, but affected people will be most likely to see it here:

Both the Clark (US 31) and Kennedy (I-265) bridges will have closures this weekend due to Thunder Over Louisville Air and Fireworks shows.

The Clark (US 31) bridge closes Thursday morning at 9:30 am and will not re-open until Sunday at 2:00 pm.

The Kennedy (I-65) bridge, along with all of I-65 between I-264 in Kentucky and I-265 in Indiana, closes Saturday from 8:00 pm to Midnight.

The Clark (US 31) bridge closed this morning and will be closed for about 6 weeks.  As part of the construction of the new I-65 span, the US 31/Court Ave intersection is being reconfigured from a traffic signal to an interchange.

The Clark (US 31) bridge is reopening Friday morning. 

It seems like things are much farther along with the bridge along I-65 than with the East End Bridge. Towers are going up on the I-65 bridge.

I drove through the construction zone Friday in the Kentucky side of the East End approach.  There are some noticeable changes on the 2-lane part of the Snyder already, even though construction continues on the tunnels.  Part of the rush on the new downtown bridge is that it will temporarily replace the Kennedy until the Kennedy is converted to one-way traffic.

http://www.whas11.com/news/breaker2/I-65-lane-reductions-begins-Sept-2-in-Southern-Indiana-272577661.html

QuoteI-65 North and I-65 South will be reduced from three through lanes of traffic to two from the Kennedy Bridge to Brown's Station Way. The lane reductions extend for nearly 1 ½ miles, with significant congestion and delays expected.

The lane closures are expected to begin Tuesday, September 2, right after the Labor Day weekend. I-65 lane closures in Southern Indiana are expected to continue until late 2016, when the project nears completion.

The lane closures will squeeze both directions of I-65 into the area where the southbound lanes are currently. This shift will allow for the demolition of the existing and the construction of new northbound lanes to connect with the new Ohio River bridge under construction.

-    There won't be direct access from I-65 North to Stansifer Avenue or Brown's Station Way after I-65 North traffic is moved the week of September 15
-    Northbound lanes of traffic on the Kennedy Bridge will be reduced from three through lanes of traffic and an exit lane to two through lanes and an exit lane
-    Southbound lanes on the Kennedy Bridge will not be affected
Expected Timeline (Subject to Change)

No doubt that I-265 west to I-64 east to I-264 east will be the alternate route mapped out for Louisville through traffic heading south (the reverse for northbound). They're moving along at a clip now.

From skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=119019042&postcount=10104):

Quote from: ChrisZwolle;119019042The Interstate 265 (East End Crossing) under construction in Google Earth (imagery dated September 23, 2014)

Well darn, it isn't showing up on any of my Google Imagery stuff. Gradual rollout, I guess.

I can't wait to see the finished product!

when will this open again?

According to the project's website, late 2016.

QuoteInitial construction activity began in spring 2013, following the Indiana Finance Authority's selection of WVB East End Partners to design, finance, build, operate and maintain the East End Crossing. The project is being overseen by the Indiana Department of Transportation, and will be substantially completed and open to traffic in late 2016.

Quote from: codyg1985 on November 12, 2014, 10:07:11 AM
Well darn, it isn't showing up on any of my Google Imagery stuff. Gradual rollout, I guess.

Google Earth is usually updated before Google Maps. Sometimes there are several days between the release in Google Earth and Google Maps. As of today (November 14) Google Maps still has the old imagery, while the update was released to Google Earth on November 8.

One way to get photos and updates of the projects is through their Facebook sites.  Both have some good photos on there:

https://www.facebook.com/OhioRiverEastEndCrossing?ref=br_tf

https://www.facebook.com/LouisvilleDowntownBridge

I drove on around Louisville last week, the downtown progress is pretty good

If you are driving through Louisville this weekend, a note about some closures due to Saturday night's fireworks show:

The Clark Memorial (US 31) bridge will be closed from 9:30 am Thursday through 2:00 pm Sunday.

The Kennedy (I-65) bridge will be closed Saturday from 8-11 pm.

Thank heavens for Interstate 265.... oh wait, just one bridge? Interstate 64 to 264? Have fun with that!

Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2015, 08:33:06 AM
If you are driving through Louisville this weekend, a note about some closures due to Saturday night's fireworks show:

The Clark Memorial (US 31) bridge will be closed from 9:30 am Thursday through 2:00 pm Sunday.

The Kennedy (I-65) bridge will be closed Saturday from 8-11 pm.

Why would they allow them to close a major interstate like 65 for some fireworks?

It's probably Thunder Over Louisville, which is the pre-Kentucky Derby fireworks show. They always close the bridges for it.

Quote from: silverback1065 on April 16, 2015, 09:24:26 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2015, 08:33:06 AM
If you are driving through Louisville this weekend, a note about some closures due to Saturday night's fireworks show:

The Clark Memorial (US 31) bridge will be closed from 9:30 am Thursday through 2:00 pm Sunday.

The Kennedy (I-65) bridge will be closed Saturday from 8-11 pm.

Why would they allow them to close a major interstate like 65 for some fireworks?

Otherwise people would stop on the bridge to watch the fireworks and completely clog traffic.

I've had people who live in Oldham county tell me they can hear the fireworks from their home - it is a truly massive display.

One of Thunder's signature effects is a "waterfall" off the Clark Memorial Bridge.

I didn't see a thread for the downtown bridge, but if you look at the Web cams for the project, you will see smoke from the massive fire along Whiskey Row at 1st and Main.

Quote from: tidecat on July 06, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
I didn't see a thread for the downtown bridge.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15919.0
Done.

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/roundabouts/

While the through portion of IN-265 (future I-265) will not be open until late 2016, the reconfigured IN-265/IN-62/10th Street/Port Road interchange is set to open next week, including the first roundabouts in this part of the state.  Will be interesting to see how much trouble this causes for people down here.

Huh, roundabouts. I thought they were doing a diverging diamond there. Oh well.

Quote from: cabiness42 on July 24, 2015, 09:17:33 AM
http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/roundabouts/

While the through portion of IN-265 (future I-265) will not be open until late 2016, the reconfigured IN-265/IN-62/10th Street/Port Road interchange is set to open next week, including the first roundabouts in this part of the state.  Will be interesting to see how much trouble this causes for people down here.

At least these are in Indiana.

(Incoming from froggie in 3, 2, 1...)  :-D

It's been a while but I think this fits here more. The article in question is about billboards along I-265 as one enters Indiana from the new East End Bridge, but there's a picture of a sign at the exit for Old Salem Road with what appears to be "New Albany" in Clearview font. I understand that Indiana is paying for the bridge (and the Riverfield's folks precious tunnel,) could I assume the Clearview is only because it's being built by a different group that's not INDOT (the Ohio River Bridges group.) For that matter, I wonder what the "control city" is for eastbound I-265 (I'm guessing only Interstates 64 & 71.)

http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/jeffersonville-planning-director-east-end-billboards-could-harm-image/article_68b84132-b731-11e5-aca7-43595147c8d2.html

I would like to see I-265 East/South signed as Cincinnati/Lexington in Indiana, then just Lexington south of I-71. On the northbound side, I hope the control cities would be Cincinnati and Indianapolis.

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 11, 2016, 08:56:15 PM
It's been a while but I think this fits here more. The article in question is about billboards along I-265 as one enters Indiana from the new East End Bridge, but there's a picture of a sign at the exit for Old Salem Road with what appears to be "New Albany" in Clearview font. I understand that Indiana is paying for the bridge (and the Riverfield's folks precious tunnel,) could I assume the Clearview is only because it's being built by a different group that's not INDOT (the Ohio River Bridges group.) For that matter, I wonder what the "control city" is for eastbound I-265 (I'm guessing only Interstates 64 & 71.)

http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/jeffersonville-planning-director-east-end-billboards-could-harm-image/article_68b84132-b731-11e5-aca7-43595147c8d2.html

My question about that sign is why does it say IN 265 instead of I-265?  I thought that once the new road/bridge opened, the entire road was going to become I-265.

Maybe it can't be signed as such because it is a toll road?

My guess is the exit is signed for now as IN-265 as the new I-265 segment isn't fully open.  Toll road would have nothing to do with it.  I'm not sure if they've jumped through the hoops to get all the AASHTO/FHWA approvals yet either.

I'd be very surprised if they sign I-265 in Indiana with "Cincinnati/Lexington" as control cities... it's most likely going to be "Kentucky".

SR 265 will disappear forever when the bridge is open.  It's just a place holder for now.  It kind of makes no sense at all since it overlaps SR 62 for its entire length, so it shouldn't be signed as 265 at all, just 62 for now.

Quote from: codyg1985 on January 12, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
Maybe it can't be signed as such because it is a toll road?

Nope.  There are interstates opened and planned as toll roads (I-355, Illinois comes to mind).  There's also plenty with toll bridges.

If New Albany is used instead of Indianapolis, I wouldn't be surprised to see Middletown, Ky., on the other sign.

We have area residents on this board. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to go out and investigate what that sign says.

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 12, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
SR 265 will disappear forever when the bridge is open.  It's just a place holder for now.  It kind of makes no sense at all since it overlaps SR 62 for its entire length, so it shouldn't be signed as 265 at all, just 62 for now.

SR 62 exits SR 265/Future I-265 at 10th St.  The exit shown in the photo is at a point where 62 will not be concurrent with 265.

Quote from: thefro on January 12, 2016, 09:11:19 AM
My guess is the exit is signed for now as IN-265 as the new I-265 segment isn't fully open.  Toll road would have nothing to do with it.  I'm not sure if they've jumped through the hoops to get all the AASHTO/FHWA approvals yet either.

I'd be very surprised if they sign I-265 in Indiana with "Cincinnati/Lexington" as control cities... it's most likely going to be "Kentucky".

The new segment is opening all at once. 

As for the control city going the other direction, I can try to sneak out there sometime to see what it is, as hbelkins has requested.

Before I go, I'm going to put this in as my guess:

SR 265 East
To I-64/71
Louisville

I could see Prospect possibly getting a nod since it is the first city on the Kentucky side.  I just wish Kentucky would use actual control cities in the I-265 exits on I-64.

So, is I-265 supposed to completed anytime soon? One of those projects I haven't kept up with.

I have no idea.

Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on January 13, 2016, 11:34:01 PM
So, is I-265 supposed to completed anytime soon? One of those projects I haven't kept up with.

Supposed to open in late 2016 (this year) (http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/).

http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/update-lewis-and-clark-bridge-name-honors-indiana-s-role/article_816700ea-e172-11e5-8d54-c7386b1bca4b.html

Has to pass the Indiana Senate yet (and be signed by the governor), but it appears the East End Bridge will be named the Lewis and Clark Bridge

I really like this name, not only for the connection to Lewis and Clark (who met and planned their expedition at the Falls of the Ohio (http://www.in.gov/dnr/lewis-clark/falls/)), but also for the fact that it connects "Lewis"/Louisville to Clark County.

It's high time the two Interstate 265's are connected at last. I believe the Indiana section of 265 predates the Kentucky section of 265, right?

At least it's not after some modern day politician or war folk (looking at you, West Virginia, who has a habit of naming every bridge, culvert and sidewalk after everyone).

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on March 07, 2016, 07:49:29 AM
At least it's not after some modern day politician or war folk (looking at you, West Virginia, who has a habit of naming every bridge, culvert and sidewalk after everyone).

Yeah, Robert C. Byrd Bridge, Robert C. Byrd Highway, Robert C. Byrd Culvert, Robert C. Byrd Shitter, Robert C. Byrd Pothole, etc., etc.

An article and interesting photolog in the Louisville Courier-Journal on the I-265 bridge project and the effect that it is having on the area surrounding it on the Indiana side.

http://cjky.it/1SJwmcX

I especially like the image of the real estate for sale sign - "View of bridge!"

:cool:

Mike

^^ A very interesting story and a great photo gallery. Well worth the clicks.

Quote from: mgk920 on April 03, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
I especially like the image of the real estate for sale sign - "View of bridge!"

That'd be a positive selling point for me.

Looked at the live camera feed today, the two ends of the roadbed are tantalizingly close to each other.  Though from this angle, it is hard to tell exactly how far apart they are...

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/ (http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/)

Twitter Link (re-tweeted by AARoads) with some ariel photos of the bridge:

https://twitter.com/whas11reed/status/755830265570885632/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 05, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
It's high time the two Interstate 265's are connected at last. I believe the Indiana section of 265 predates the Kentucky section of 265, right?

It does..Makes you wonder if Kentucky was just late to the party and whether there was an original intention to connect the two or just happenstance.

Remember that Kentucky's I-265 was originally KY 841, with segments dating to 1959. Portions were opened from 1967 to 1987. I-265 was built in 1972 between I-64 and I-65 and in 1992 east to IN 62.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 29, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Remember that Kentucky's I-265 was originally KY 841, with segments dating to 1959. Portions were opened from 1967 to 1987. I-265 was built in 1972 between I-64 and I-65 and in 1992 east to IN 62.

Yep! I think that was one of those projects that just kind of morphed over time. Indiana's I-265 was built as just a northern connector between I-64 and I-65, kinda a J'ville bypass. It doesn't seem very likely(at least to me), that it was conceived as an overall outter belt for metro Louisville. Maybe H.B.has some insight. My mom was from Corydon area, so as a kid, I frequented the area. Always wondered what was up with that! lol!

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 29, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Remember that Kentucky's I-265 was originally KY 841, with segments dating to 1959. Portions were opened from 1967 to 1987. I-265 was built in 1972 between I-64 and I-65 and in 1992 east to IN 62.

My dad was a frequent traveler to Louisville, even before I was born (in 1961). I'm old enough to remember when the Jefferson Freeway (as it was known back then) ran only between KY 155 and US 60, with a cloverleaf at I-64. My dad talked about how, either before I was born or when I was very young, that I-64 ended at KY 841 and you had to go north and hit US 60 to continue on toward Louisville.

Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on July 29, 2016, 02:23:51 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 29, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Remember that Kentucky's I-265 was originally KY 841, with segments dating to 1959. Portions were opened from 1967 to 1987. I-265 was built in 1972 between I-64 and I-65 and in 1992 east to IN 62.

Yep! I think that was one of those projects that just kind of morphed over time. Indiana's I-265 was built as just a northern connector between I-64 and I-65, kinda a J'ville bypass. It doesn't seem very likely(at least to me), that it was conceived as an overall outter belt for metro Louisville. Maybe H.B.has some insight. My mom was from Corydon area, so as a kid, I frequented the area. Always wondered what was up with that! lol!

I think I-265 was put on 841 as an afterthought.

Interestingly enough, and a bit reminiscent of the 95/128 situation in Boston, traffic reporters on Louisville radio call it 841 instead of 265, presumably to distinguish it from Indiana's 265.

Can anyone that lives in this area comment on this bizzare interchange?  Are the complaints valid? It doesn't appear to be too confusing, but it doesn't seem like they needed to design it this way. http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/indot-to-address-jeffersonville-roundabout-concerns/article_ff91c490-5dd3-11e6-a4cb-9726141071b7.html

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on March 07, 2016, 07:49:29 AM
At least it's not after some modern day politician or war folk (looking at you, West Virginia, who has a habit of naming every bridge, culvert and sidewalk after everyone).

Tennessee is the same way.  We don't have omnibus bills with the exception of the bridge/road naming omnibus bills and special interest license plate bils. However, they are the same subject matter.  At any rate I begin to wonder if there is a bridge left to name in the state.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 09, 2016, 02:28:03 PM
Can anyone that lives in this area comment on this bizzare interchange?  Are the complaints valid? It doesn't appear to be too confusing, but it doesn't seem like they needed to design it this way. http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/indot-to-address-jeffersonville-roundabout-concerns/article_ff91c490-5dd3-11e6-a4cb-9726141071b7.html

I drive through there occasionally, and personally I don't have problems.  (I go to Carmel a lot) However, I understand why there are so many problems. 

1) It's the only roundabout in the area that I know of.  Nobody down here is used to regular ones, let alone a more complex one like this

2) There is a lot of truck traffic that goes through from 265 to and from Port Rd.  Not sure if a roundabout is the best idea for an interchange that has an awful lot of truck traffic.

Side note: There are erroneous signs up in at least two places at this interchange pointing to WB 10th St as WB IN 62, when 62 has been routed around Jeffersonville on 265 for a long time now. 

Did US 31 go through Jeffersonville save the alignment it is now on?

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 09, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Did US 31 go through Jeffersonville save the alignment it is now on?

I think it used hamburg pike and spring street back in the day

Now that the two segments of Interstate 265 are completed, will the KY 841 designation be retracted to Exit 10?

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 09, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Did US 31 go through Jeffersonville save the alignment it is now on?

Original alignment upon entering Indiana on the Clark Bridge was Missouri Ave -> Spring Street -> Eastern Blvd -> Kopp Ln

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 09, 2016, 05:23:12 PM
Now that the two segments of Interstate 265 are completed, will the KY 841 designation be retracted to Exit 10?

I was wondering the same thing. I really really really hope so. Having the superfluous state route piggy-backed on I-265 for no reason would bug me.

Unless there *is* a reason to keep it, for some legality.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 09, 2016, 02:28:03 PM
Can anyone that lives in this area comment on this bizzare interchange?  Are the complaints valid? It doesn't appear to be too confusing, but it doesn't seem like they needed to design it this way. http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/indot-to-address-jeffersonville-roundabout-concerns/article_ff91c490-5dd3-11e6-a4cb-9726141071b7.html

There was a segment on WAVE-3 last night about it. (http://www.wave3.com/story/32726850/jeffersonville-roundabout-causing-concerns-for-mayor-drivers)

Looks like a lot of semi trucks that can't make the turns.

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 09, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
2) There is a lot of truck traffic that goes through from 265 to and from Port Rd.  Not sure if a roundabout is the best idea for an interchange that has an awful lot of truck traffic.

I can't speak to this roundabout in particular, as I'm not familiar with it, but I agree that high truck volumes aren't the greatest for roundabouts.

They installed a roundabout in Cambridge, ON at Hespeler Rd and Beaverdale Rd and it sees lots of trucks due to a nearby Loblaw distribution centre. The trucks use the truck apron in the middle to navigate the roundabout, which is okay. But the main issue is that tractor trailers need to straddle both lanes approaching and in the roundabout with their hazards on. Despite the signs, you'll get dumb drivers trying to drive beside the trucks when they're supposed to wait behind them.

In theory, it would be okay if people followed the rules, but some drivers are too impatient, or they're simply not familiar enough with roundabouts.

Looking at the camera feed again and it looks like the span is very close to being completed.

My uneducated* guess is that they have abut 3 sections of bridge left to fill in the center.

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/

*I'm not an engineer, am horrble at math, but I do own a DVD of NOVA's "Super Bridge" episode...

Did the greens try to stop this project?

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

They tried their best to stop it on the kentucky side, by saying a forest was historic or something, so they put a tunnel in.

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 09, 2016, 05:23:12 PM
Now that the two segments of Interstate 265 are completed, will the KY 841 designation be retracted to Exit 10?

I would guess it would die at the state line.If they even keep it,  just make it a secret designation

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 11, 2016, 09:28:28 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

They tried their best to stop it on the kentucky side, by saying a forest was historic or something, so they put a tunnel in.

Ahem. Wrong.

It was the Drumenard Estate, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

So it wasn't the "greens," and it certainly was not a "forest." It we are going to try to typecast a group as being inherently obtuse, let's at least get the narration right.

A group did not want the interstate close to them. They thought they had stopped the construction, when the states agreed to dig a tunnel to get around their complaint. BRILLIANT!

One more look at the camera feed, the bridge is missing one last section and it is actually a bridge. 


http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on August 12, 2016, 08:20:30 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 11, 2016, 09:28:28 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

They tried their best to stop it on the kentucky side, by saying a forest was historic or something, so they put a tunnel in.

Ahem. Wrong.

It was the Drumenard Estate, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

So it wasn't the "greens," and it certainly was not a "forest." It we are going to try to typecast a group as being inherently obtuse, let's at least get the narration right.

That's why I put quotation marks around greens in my reply because that's not actually who it was.

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on August 22, 2016, 07:25:56 AM
One more look at the camera feed, the bridge is missing one last section and it is actually a bridge. 
Woohoo!

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 22, 2016, 12:44:29 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on August 12, 2016, 08:20:30 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 11, 2016, 09:28:28 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 11, 2016, 01:42:35 PM
Did the greens try to stop this project?

The bridge project as a whole, yes, but not specifically the recently-discussed roundabout.

Of course, the "greens" who tried to stop the project were mostly rich NIMBYs who didn't want an influx of non-wealthy people to their precious East End.

They tried their best to stop it on the kentucky side, by saying a forest was historic or something, so they put a tunnel in.

Ahem. Wrong.

It was the Drumenard Estate, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

So it wasn't the "greens," and it certainly was not a "forest." It we are going to try to typecast a group as being inherently obtuse, let's at least get the narration right.

That's why I put quotation marks around greens in my reply because that's not actually who it was.

If you're going by a dictionary definition: a large area covered chiefly with trees and undergrowth.  technically yes it is a forest.

I asked about the "greens" as in the enviromentlist extermist.  It would be a given that the NIMBY's would be involved.

It's a bridge!!!  Well, sort of.  The center piece has been installed as of yesterday at about noon.

No pavement yet, so it would be a tricky walk.  But it is across the river.

https://oxblue.com/pro/load_jpg/20160830/073300/5820acc0d29ea05ec369a08ae5de2141/2dbfdc007e11f4137322f3c491f59d5c/0.jpg (https://oxblue.com/pro/load_jpg/20160830/073300/5820acc0d29ea05ec369a08ae5de2141/2dbfdc007e11f4137322f3c491f59d5c/0.jpg)

Cross the Ohio with dry feet, courtesy the the East End Bridge.

https://oxblue.com/pro/load_jpg/20160831/091805/5820acc0d29ea05ec369a08ae5de2141/d901dfd5cd0e56840462eedaa1e7a1e3/0.jpg (https://oxblue.com/pro/load_jpg/20160831/091805/5820acc0d29ea05ec369a08ae5de2141/d901dfd5cd0e56840462eedaa1e7a1e3/0.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/eastendcrossing/sets/72157673871796175

The developers posted an album with aerial views of the entire project as of Sept 6th 2016

Both posts above: "Session expired for security reasons."

^ I'm seeing that for the oxblue link posted by Greenlantern, but the flickr post by thefro is coming through just fine. Nice pics.

Quote from: Red Roads on September 15, 2016, 11:43:21 PM
Both posts above: "Session expired for security reasons."

Sorry,  I opened the image as a web page and posted them without realizing that they time out.

Here is the live camera feed on the website:

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/ (http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/eastendcrossing/sets/72157673851998052/with/30022212090/

New aerial photos from Oct. 3rd.

why are they keeping that us 42 interchange like that?  wouldn't having a ramp on either side be better? no bridge necessary

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 14, 2016, 06:44:51 PM
why are they keeping that us 42 interchange like that?  wouldn't having a ramp on either side be better? no bridge necessary

I'm guessing it has something to do with minimizing land acquisition or restricting it to certain areas.  What I'm not seeing is a way to get on 265 northbound at that interchange. 

I do intend to drive the new road/bridge both ways the day it opens. 

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 16, 2016, 08:39:19 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 14, 2016, 06:44:51 PM
why are they keeping that us 42 interchange like that?  wouldn't having a ramp on either side be better? no bridge necessary

I'm guessing it has something to do with minimizing land acquisition or restricting it to certain areas.  What I'm not seeing is a way to get on 265 northbound at that interchange. 

I do intend to drive the new road/bridge both ways the day it opens.

Since the tunnel appears to start right there at the US 42 intersection, I'd blame River Fields.

It looks like they are paving the bridge.

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/

I was through this area a few weeks ago and decided to check out the construction.

A few of the photos that I took:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_WB-ramp_Sep16.jpg&hash=9b798de9072d17923e391bb2baa7bda76a77891e)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_WB-ramp_Sep16_lg.jpg
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_WB-ramp_Sep16_24x16.jpg

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_EB-ramp_Sep16.jpg&hash=7d19479950618ad342ae96ad1c261bdf6f463f73)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_EB-ramp_Sep16_lg.jpg
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_EB-ramp_Sep16_24x16.jpg

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_structure_13_southwest_Sep16.jpg&hash=3c6fc8a470b181da73fd885303b23fab71f12788)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_structure_13_southwest_Sep16_lg.jpg
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_structure_13_southwest_Sep16_24x16.jpg

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_structure_13_southeast_Sep16.jpg&hash=b02cf0f4b1a2c14299935fa1cf81369f2053a9f4)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_structure_13_southeast_Sep16_lg.jpg
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_structure_13_southeast_Sep16_24x16.jpg

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_structure_13_east_Sep16.jpg&hash=7e485aca8b2bd70d1939ea605ef9f1dd286b0774)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_structure_13_east_Sep16_lg.jpg
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_structure_13_east_Sep16_24x16.jpg

If I get a chance, I'll try and get some photos up from the approach roads in the next few days.

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on October 22, 2016, 10:27:26 PM
I was through this area a few weeks ago and decided to check out the construction.

A few of the photos that I took:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_WB-ramp_Sep16.jpg&hash=9b798de9072d17923e391bb2baa7bda76a77891e)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_WB-ramp_Sep16_lg.jpg
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_WB-ramp_Sep16_24x16.jpg

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FIN%2FI%2F265%2FI265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_EB-ramp_Sep16.jpg&hash=7d19479950618ad342ae96ad1c261bdf6f463f73)
http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/IN/I/265/I265_IN_sign_structure_11-5_south_EB-ramp_Sep16_lg.jpg
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If I get a chance, I'll try and get some photos up from the approach roads in the next few days.

Wait, Indiana State Road 265?? Where is Interstate 265??

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 23, 2016, 01:31:05 AM
Wait, Indiana State Road 265?? Where is Interstate 265??

Yes, shouldn't it be IN 841?  :bigass:

Most likely, Indiana and Kentucky have not gone for or gotten approval from FHWA and AAHSTO to make the corridor part of I-265.

I am sure it will be "promoted" not long after the whole highway and bridge opens, hopefully it won't take as long as TN 840 did (cough, 4 years, cough!!)

what a waste of SR 265 shields

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on October 22, 2016, 10:27:26 PM
I was through this area a few weeks ago and decided to check out the construction.

A few of the photos that I took:
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If I get a chance, I'll try and get some photos up from the approach roads in the next few days.

Those photos are from the Old Salem Road interchange.  Is Old Salem Road open as a through road now?  Last time I was out there the road was closed. 

^ It was not open when I took these photos.  I drove up Old Salem Road and parked at the barrier and then took the photos on foot.  It was a Sunday, so there was no activity at this part of the construction site.  There was however a fair amount of activity at the east end bridge itself, even on a Sunday.

Me no likey the Clearview signs on the IN side, but I would guess those signs will change once it becomes I-265. I'm surprised they haven't requested AASHTO and FHWA for the designation. Maybe they'll do it as part of this year's Fall Meeting?

The shield will change; the sign will not. Clearview is still approved on an interim basis.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 25, 2016, 01:43:30 PM
The shield will change; the sign will not. Clearview is still approved on an interim basis.

I didn't think it would. I was just secretly hoping it would

I didn't know that Indiana used Clearview. When I went to Louisville back in March or when I went through Indy a couple of years ago, I don't remember seeing any Clearview signs.

Quote from: mvak36 on October 25, 2016, 02:49:31 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 25, 2016, 01:43:30 PM
The shield will change; the sign will not. Clearview is still approved on an interim basis.

I didn't think it would. I was just secretly hoping it would

I didn't know that Indiana used Clearview. When I went to Louisville back in March or when I went through Indy a couple of years ago, I don't remember seeing any Clearview signs.

Kentucky handled the downtown bridge, Indiana handled the East End Bridge. I just wonder, however, if Kentucky didn't already have plans drawn up and Indiana perhaps used them.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 25, 2016, 02:59:39 PM

Quote from: mvak36 on October 25, 2016, 02:49:31 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 25, 2016, 01:43:30 PM
The shield will change; the sign will not. Clearview is still approved on an interim basis.

I didn't think it would. I was just secretly hoping it would

I didn't know that Indiana used Clearview. When I went to Louisville back in March or when I went through Indy a couple of years ago, I don't remember seeing any Clearview signs.

Kentucky handled the downtown bridge, Indiana handled the East End Bridge. I just wonder, however, if Kentucky didn't already have plans drawn up and Indiana perhaps used them.

Fair enough. Do you by any chance know if KY applied to AASHTO for I-265 designation for the new section? I figured I'd ask you since it says you're a DOT employee.

I can't imagine it going something like:

I-265 > IN 265 > KY 841 > I-265 > KY 841

Quote from: jpi on October 23, 2016, 02:23:39 PM
I am sure it will be "promoted" not long after the whole highway and bridge opens, hopefully it won't take as long as TN 840 did (cough, 4 years, cough!!)

Hey, it's taken a lot less time than California's Route 15, Route 210, and Route 905!!!  :-D

What's the projected opening date?  I'm planning to go to Louisville in early December and would love to drive across the new crossing if it's in use.

As for the Clearview, I believe that the signage along I-65 approaching the newly redone Kennedy Bridge are all in typical FHWA fonts. So I'm sure that Kentucky is somewhere behind the new signs at the Old Salem Rd exit.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 25, 2016, 01:43:30 PM
The shield will change; the sign will not. Clearview is still approved on an interim basis.

FHWA rescinded the interim approval for Clearview, unless I missed something recently on Congress trying to override the recension.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/)

Quote from: MUTCD Website by FHWAOn January 25, 2016, the FHWA published a notice in the Federal Register terminating Interim Approval 5, which permitted the optional use of the Clearview letter style on positive-contrast highway guide sign legends. All highway agencies, including those agencies who received the FHWA's approval to use Clearview under Interim Approval 5, shall use the FHWA Standard Alphabets for all new and replacement signs. However, any existing sign that uses Clearview lettering may remain in place until it reaches the end of its useful service life.

Given that Congress is about to lay the smackdown on FHWA for suspending the interim approval for Clearview when it passes the 2017 transportation spending bill (likely in the lame duck session in November), I'd imagine FHWA is not going to be putting its foot down and insisting on any sign replacements, especially for signs that were posted under contracts let when the interim approval was in effect.

Wasn't there a revocation of the interim approval because of a lack of public comment? I'm

Quote from: mvak36 on October 25, 2016, 03:05:28 PM

Fair enough. Do you by any chance know if KY applied to AASHTO for I-265 designation for the new section? I figured I'd ask you since it says you're a DOT employee.

No idea. I'm three hours east of Louisville.

Quote from: lordsutch on October 25, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Given that Congress is about to lay the smackdown on FHWA for suspending the interim approval for Clearview when it passes the 2017 transportation spending bill (likely in the lame duck session in November), I'd imagine FHWA is not going to be putting its foot down and insisting on any sign replacements, especially for signs that were posted under contracts let when the interim approval was in effect.

Revocation of the interim approval expressly stated, IIRC, that anything already in the pipeline could continue.

But I have to say that it sounds like the Clearview backers have some powerful and influential lobbyists.  :D

Quote from: tdindy88 on October 25, 2016, 06:06:45 PM
As for the Clearview, I believe that the signage along I-65 approaching the newly redone Kennedy Bridge are all in typical FHWA fonts. So I'm sure that Kentucky is somewhere behind the new signs at the Old Salem Rd exit.

Just drove through there this past Sunday and yes, the signs along I-65 SB approaching the Kennedy are in FHWA.

Quote from: codyg1985 on October 31, 2016, 11:17:35 AM

Quote from: tdindy88 on October 25, 2016, 06:06:45 PM
As for the Clearview, I believe that the signage along I-65 approaching the newly redone Kennedy Bridge are all in typical FHWA fonts. So I'm sure that Kentucky is somewhere behind the new signs at the Old Salem Rd exit.

Just drove through there this past Sunday and yes, the signs along I-65 SB approaching the Kennedy are in FHWA.

Will 265 in Indiana be like that, though?

It looks like they are laying down the roadbed on the bridge.

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/

Any idea how long it would take, or how many layers of roadbed there are?

What is the latest estimate as to when the East-End bridge will open to traffic?

Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on November 09, 2016, 06:24:42 AM
What is the latest estimate as to when the East-End bridge will open to traffic?

Either this month, or by Christmas.

Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on November 09, 2016, 06:24:42 AM
What is the latest estimate as to when the East-End bridge will open to traffic?

Their official timeline is "before the end of 2016."  Nothing more specific nor any hints.  I've been guessing December 6.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2016/12/01/east-end-bridge-officials-reveal-target-opening-date/94724768/

Target date for bridge opening is weekend of 12/17-18.  Would be nice if it's before noon on the 17th, as I'm already headed that direction that day and wouldn't have to make a trip just to cross the bridge.

is the 65 bridged tolled now?

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 01, 2016, 06:57:40 PM
is the 65 bridged tolled now?

Not yet.  They are in the process of testing the equipment and are expected to announce the beginning of tolling soon.  One thing I didn't realize until yesterday is that if you have to specifically have the RiverLink transponder to get the frequent user (>= 40 crossings/month combined between 65 and 265) discount down to $1/trip.  If you have EZ-pass or equivalent, you still get the electronic discount down to $2/trip from $4, but you can't get the frequent user discount. 

http://www.wdrb.com/story/33931544/east-end-bridge-to-open-on-dec-18

Bridge opening Sunday 12/18.  No word yet on an exact time.  I'm actually returning home from Lexington that day so if it opens before noonish, I'll get to use it on my way home.  If not, I'll probably make a trip over there anyway.

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 06, 2016, 09:29:37 AM
http://www.wdrb.com/story/33931544/east-end-bridge-to-open-on-dec-18

Bridge opening Sunday 12/18.  No word yet on an exact time.  I'm actually returning home from Lexington that day so if it opens before noonish, I'll get to use it on my way home.  If not, I'll probably make a trip over there anyway.

I saw in the article that they still have to name it. Why can't they just call it the East End bridge?

Quote from: mvak36 on December 06, 2016, 10:32:08 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 06, 2016, 09:29:37 AM
http://www.wdrb.com/story/33931544/east-end-bridge-to-open-on-dec-18

Bridge opening Sunday 12/18.  No word yet on an exact time.  I'm actually returning home from Lexington that day so if it opens before noonish, I'll get to use it on my way home.  If not, I'll probably make a trip over there anyway.

I saw in the article that they still have to name it. Why can't they just call it the East End bridge?

does it even need a name at all?

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 06, 2016, 11:12:31 AM

Quote from: mvak36 on December 06, 2016, 10:32:08 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 06, 2016, 09:29:37 AM
http://www.wdrb.com/story/33931544/east-end-bridge-to-open-on-dec-18

Bridge opening Sunday 12/18.  No word yet on an exact time.  I'm actually returning home from Lexington that day so if it opens before noonish, I'll get to use it on my way home.  If not, I'll probably make a trip over there anyway.

I saw in the article that they still have to name it. Why can't they just call it the East End bridge?

does it even need a name at all?

I don't think it should have a name. I was just saying that I think most people will call it the East End bridge.

That being said, they're probably going to name it after some politician or something.

Once complete, will IN 265 be rebranded as I-265?

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 06, 2016, 07:59:36 PM
Once complete, will IN 265 be rebranded as I-265?

yes

Once this bridge complete, I'm sure west end bridge studies will be commenced to complete the I-265 outer Loop. They might redesignate I-264/I-64/Old IN 111/Old IN 62/I-65/I-264 as an outer loop

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 07, 2016, 08:37:30 AM
Once this bridge complete, I'm sure west end bridge studies will be commenced to complete the I-265 outer Loop. They might redesignate I-264/I-64/Old IN 111/Old IN 62/I-65/I-264 as an outer loop

west end bridge? i didnt think there were any plans for that. there's nothing over there

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2016, 11:05:35 AM

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 07, 2016, 08:37:30 AM
Once this bridge complete, I'm sure west end bridge studies will be commenced to complete the I-265 outer Loop. They might redesignate I-264/I-64/Old IN 111/Old IN 62/I-65/I-264 as an outer loop

west end bridge? i didnt think there were any plans for that. there's nothing over there

I agree. I don't think it's needed either.

They could just rename 841 i-165 west of 65

Really? 

I have always assumed that 265 was eventually to be a complete beltway. 

Would not a completion of a "west end bridge" take yet more presure off the I-64 bridge, and also open up the rural area on the Indiana side to development?

The terrain between the current west end of I-265 in Indiana and the current west end of KY 841 makes connecting the two routes very difficult, if not impossible.  That and there really isn't a need for it.  Look at what is directly across the river from the end of KY 841.  It's very, very sparsely populated and there just wouldn't be enough people who would use that as an alternative to justify the huge cost. 

Get your registration in early!

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/openingday/

Quote from: TR69 on December 08, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Get your registration in early!

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/openingday/

I'm going be on right at 10am trying get a ticket.

As of this morning, the lanes are marked.

Easy to paint, with no traffic.

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/live-camera-feed/

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 09, 2016, 10:58:04 AM

Quote from: TR69 on December 08, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Get your registration in early!

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/openingday/

I'm going be on right at 10am trying get a ticket.

I got one!

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 10, 2016, 10:01:46 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 09, 2016, 10:58:04 AM

Quote from: TR69 on December 08, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Get your registration in early!

http://eastendcrossing.com/project-overview/openingday/

I'm going be on right at 10am trying get a ticket.

I got one!

Jealous! I have to work that day.  :-(

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 07, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
The terrain between the current west end of I-265 in Indiana and the current west end of KY 841 makes connecting the two routes very difficult, if not impossible.  That and there really isn't a need for it.  Look at what is directly across the river from the end of KY 841.  It's very, very sparsely populated and there just wouldn't be enough people who would use that as an alternative to justify the huge cost.

KY 1934 (which is 4 lanes and doesn't have a ton of stoplights compared to Dixie Highway/31W) connects KY 841 to I-264, so the whole thing basically functions as an outer beltway.

Horseshoe Casino is basically the only thing on the Indiana side of the river south of New Albany in that area, and taking the highway all the way to Corydon would be dumb (and that town only has ~2500 people despite being a former state capital and having some history).

Was on vacation in Kentucky the last few days and got these photos of the East End Crossing on Monday:

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On my way back from Bloomington, Ind. on Saturday, I stayed at a motel off the Hurstbourne Road exit on I-64. I knew where it was located, but I plugged the location into my Garmin GPS (the maps were upgraded a few months ago) and it tried to route me across the not-yet-open I-265 bridge.

By contrast, the new section of I-69 between US 231 and Bloomington isn't on the GPS yet.

Tolling begins December 30 and E-ZPass transponders ship next week.
http://kyinbridges.com/tolling-on-ohio-river-bridges-to-begin-december-30/

Quote from: ukfan758 on December 13, 2016, 01:08:33 PM
Tolling begins December 30 and E-ZPass transponders ship next week.
http://kyinbridges.com/tolling-on-ohio-river-bridges-to-begin-december-30/

Just to add, tolls for cars will be $4 per crossing with no transponder, $2 per crossing with RiverLink, EZPass or IPass, and $1 per crossing if you cross 40 or more times per month and have a RiverLink transponder (not EZPass or IPass though).

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 13, 2016, 02:18:16 PM

Quote from: ukfan758 on December 13, 2016, 01:08:33 PM
Tolling begins December 30 and E-ZPass transponders ship next week.
http://kyinbridges.com/tolling-on-ohio-river-bridges-to-begin-december-30/

Just to add, tolls for cars will be $4 per crossing with no transponder, $2 per crossing with RiverLink, EZPass or IPass, and $1 per crossing if you cross 40 or more times per month and have a RiverLink transponder (not EZPass or IPass though).

since i rarely go down there, i'll utilize 31 and 64

I live in Louisville but I go over to Indiana so infrequently, I'll just pay the $4/crossing or take one of the free bridges (US 31, I-64).

Actually, when I do go to Indiana it's usually on foot, over the Big Four Bridge.

I have driven the Snyder between Jeffersontown and Prospect several times in the past week, and have noticed the signs on KY 841 Northbound before Exit 37 do not refer to the new bridge as I-265, but KY 841.  Since the sign detailing the toll bridge is on a white background, the shield is a white oval in a black rectangle.

I was wondering why so few lanes were open on the Southbound side, but there are at least two overhead VMS gantries that needed to be installed.  Interestingly, there is a "Louisville City Limits" sign on the southbound side, presumably to offset the "Prospect City Limits" sign on the northbound side.


Samsung Galaxy Note7 . Hey, do you smell anything burning?

I'm not well-versed on the procedures for getting a new road designated as an interstate, but I assume that will happen sometime in the near future.

Bridge is FINALLY open to all traffic.  You ready to hear the new name of the bridge?

It is called... Lewis and Clark Bridge!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Just got back from being in the initial caravan across, stopped for an early dinner in Prospect and then back across.  Very nice bridge, and lots of nice places in far NE Louisville that we'll likely visit more often now.

Drove on the bridge at around 7, outstanding job on the whole project. What I do wonder though is will Indiana raise the speed limit on their portion of 265 from 55 to 65mph since they're now connected? Why was their section 55mph to begin with?

Quote from: ukfan758 on December 18, 2016, 08:55:53 PM
Drove on the bridge at around 7, outstanding job on the whole project. What I do wonder though is will Indiana raise the speed limit on their portion of 265 from 55 to 65mph since they're now connected? Why was their section 55mph to begin with?

Probably to match the current speed limits on the older sections or because of the Louisville Metro area restricts the speed limits to 55 on the Indiana side...

HOWEVER, they could possibly raise the speed limit to 65 on the Indiana portion...

all urban interstates have a speed limit of 55 in indiana, i think it's some dumb law.  there are a few exceptions though.

Quote from: ukfan758 on December 18, 2016, 08:55:53 PM
Drove on the bridge at around 7, outstanding job on the whole project. What I do wonder though is will Indiana raise the speed limit on their portion of 265 from 55 to 65mph since they're now connected? Why was their section 55mph to begin with?

I don't see that happening. My guess is someone likes ticket revenue in that area. Not only is 265 at 55mph, the State Police operate a well known speed trap on a rural stretch of I-64 a few miles east of New Albany. They have it signed as a "Hoosier Helper Patrol Zone" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, but the reality is that it is just a fleecing operation.

Traffic volume on 265, at least the old part, dictates a 55 mph speed limit.  If there were such a thing as variable speed limits, you could justify it being higher on the weekends, but during the work week 265 gets more than enough traffic to justify a 55 mph limit.

At night?

Quote from: Captain Jack on December 18, 2016, 10:54:27 PM
They have it signed as a "Hoosier Helper Patrol Zone" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, but the reality is that it is just a fleecing operation.

That means they have people on patrol to aid stranded motorists with broken down vehicles.  InDOT does the same along the Borman Expressway up this way.

Quote from: Captain Jack on December 18, 2016, 10:54:27 PMNot only is 265 at 55mph, the State Police operate a well known speed trap on a rural stretch of I-64 a few miles east of New Albany.

Why is ISP operating in Kentucky?  :bigass:

Quote from: Brandon on December 19, 2016, 11:28:29 AM

Quote from: Captain Jack on December 18, 2016, 10:54:27 PM
They have it signed as a "Hoosier Helper Patrol Zone" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, but the reality is that it is just a fleecing operation.

That means they have people on patrol to aid stranded motorists with broken down vehicles.  InDOT does the same along the Borman Expressway up this way.

Yep, I can testify that the Hoosier Helper Patrol is a great thing. They helped me a few years back when I got a flat tire on the Borman. I couldn't get the lug nuts to budge, but the Hoosier Helper came to my rescue free of charge. In that area at least, they are sponsored by State Farm. I don't think taxpayer dollars are involved.

Quote from: theline on December 19, 2016, 03:44:43 PM

Quote from: Brandon on December 19, 2016, 11:28:29 AM

Quote from: Captain Jack on December 18, 2016, 10:54:27 PM
They have it signed as a "Hoosier Helper Patrol Zone" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, but the reality is that it is just a fleecing operation.

That means they have people on patrol to aid stranded motorists with broken down vehicles.  InDOT does the same along the Borman Expressway up this way.

Yep, I can testify that the Hoosier Helper Patrol is a great thing. They helped me a few years back when I got a flat tire on the Borman. I couldn't get the lug nuts to budge, but the Hoosier Helper came to my rescue free of charge. In that area at least, they are sponsored by State Farm. I don't think taxpayer dollars are involved.

they're also sponsored by state farm down here in indy.

Did Kentucky switch to longitudinal tinning (parallel grooving)? I noticed they switched the abutment transition from concrete pavement to the bridge for their portion of I-265.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Did Kentucky switch to longitudinal tinning (parallel grooving)? I noticed they switched the abutment transition from concrete pavement to the bridge for their portion of I-265.

Does Indiana use that? Because INDOT coordinated the entire East End project.


iPhone .

Video of the new opened section (as seen from a driver's point of view). Courtesy of WLKY. (The horn is pretty f'ing annoying though, so might be better to watch on mute)

Quote from: tidecat on December 19, 2016, 10:46:03 PM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Did Kentucky switch to longitudinal tinning (parallel grooving)? I noticed they switched the abutment transition from concrete pavement to the bridge for their portion of I-265.

Does Indiana use that? Because INDOT coordinated the entire East End project.


iPhone .

indot does that, because people get angry about the noise. i like the noise

I had to work the day the Lewis and Clark bridge opened, but I was able to drive it the following day. I also went for a run along the bike/pedestrian path that clings to the downstream side of the bridge. It was really cool -- literally! It was 23 degrees at the time with a very brisk north breeze. I missed a few photo opportunities on my run that I will go back to get when the weather is friendlier.

(apologies for the long post -- I'm sure I'm breaking some rule(s) of posting etiquette)

Approaching US 42 northbound in KY.
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Toll bridge coming up! Still KY 841 on this date, December 19, 2016. Tolls will begin December 30, 2016.
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Approaching the tunnel
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Approaching the Ohio River from Kentucky. International Drive is just a local road that serves a business park in Jeffersonville, Indiana.
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The stretch of road has green mile markers in the median. I was happy to see that the Kentucky mile markers started correctly on the Indiana shore, not in the middle of the river.
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In Jeffersonville, Indiana. The Indiana side is still signed as IN 265, and the KY side is still signed as KY 841. December 19, 2016. I can certainly understand the use of Louisville as a control city, especially since this is a local road. However, at the same time, this local road is coming out of a large business/industrial park, so I could also see Lexington and Cincinnati being used too.
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The most awesome part of the bridge, to me, is that they included a bike/ped path on the downstream side of the bridge. This is at the end on the Kentucky side. The trail begins at the last Indiana exit and ends at River Road in Louisville.
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I love that they used shields instead of spelling out "I-64", etc.  Welcome to Kentucky -- which you actually entered a couple of miles back. This photo, and all of the following photos, was taken during my run on the bike/ped path.
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On the Indiana side. The bike/ped trail is on the right.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/13639_20_12_16_6_24_20.jpeg)

Still only 55 mph on both sides of the river. December 19, 2016.
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Still IN 265. December 19, 2016.
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IN 265 mile marker. These mile markers, even though they're for the highway, are useful to measure the distance you walk/run/bike on the bike/ped trail that runs alongside.
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it seems wasteful for them to sign this as the state roads.  they're going to approve the interstate designation, why not just sign it as such? 

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 20, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
it seems wasteful for them to sign this as the state roads.  they're going to approve the interstate designation, why not just sign it as such? 

Would that complicate getting AASHTO approval, if that hasn't been obtained yet? IIRC, applicants for such approval are normally asked to attest that the responsible state hasn't "jumped the gun" on signing the new highway as an Interstate or U.S. route.  See http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20APPLICATION/USRNApplicationAugust_2016_Updated.docx (top of p. 3). Not that such gun-jumping has never happened, but it seems not to be good form.

Quote from: oscar on December 20, 2016, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 20, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
it seems wasteful for them to sign this as the state roads.  they're going to approve the interstate designation, why not just sign it as such? 

Would that complicate getting AASHTO approval, if that hasn't been obtained yet? IIRC, applicants for such approval are normally asked to attest that the responsible state hasn't "jumped the gun" on signing the new highway as an Interstate or U.S. route.  See http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20APPLICATION/USRNApplicationAugust_2016_Updated.docx (top of p. 3). Not that such gun-jumping has never happened, but it seems not to be good form.

KY and IN could have coordinated an application to AASHTO before the bridge was open asking for an I-265 designation. This would have prevented the need to replace the new signs.

Another idea they apparently did not consider is that the MUTCD would prefer loop routes to have one set of mileposts and exit numbers, regardless of crossing state lines. Given that this was a split route each state having its own set of numbers made sense, but now guidelines would suggest that the numbers continue from KY into IN which would require the latter to spend money on changing the exit numbers on the new signs (as well as the older ones) also.

Interesting. Clearview signage used in both states except for "International Drive," which looks to be an INDOT installation.

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 20, 2016, 11:18:00 PM
Interesting. Clearview signage used in both states except for "International Drive," which looks to be an INDOT installation.

The brown sign they unveiled with the bridge name is also not in Clearview. Not sure if they've mounted it yet.

Quote from: mvak36 on December 06, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
they're probably going to name it after some politician or something.

Thankfully, I was wrong about this. I love the new name for the bridge.

Google maps now shows the road as open and has it marked as I-265.

Quote from: oscar on December 20, 2016, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 20, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
it seems wasteful for them to sign this as the state roads.  they're going to approve the interstate designation, why not just sign it as such? 

Would that complicate getting AASHTO approval, if that hasn't been obtained yet?

See I-181/I-26 in Tennessee. :D

Quote from: mvak36 on December 21, 2016, 01:11:45 AM

Quote from: mvak36 on December 06, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
they're probably going to name it after some politician or something.

Thankfully, I was wrong about this. I love the new name for the bridge.

I like the new name too, although some feel that it is too similar to the Clark Memorial Bridge downtown. Granted, the bridges are named after different Clarks, but few people from out of town would know that. The nice thing about the name is that Lewis and Clark have ties to both Indiana and Kentucky, just like the bridge does. Same thing with the Lincoln Bridge downtown.

I wonder how many cities have two separate bridges named after brothers/siblings/members of the same nuclear family?

Isn't the US 31 bridge formally also known as the Second Street Bridge? Maybe that name might get more use to differentiate it with the new Lewis and Clark Bridge.

Speaking of names, what the hell is International Drive (sounds like it should be in Orlando.) Google Maps shows the road as Old Salem Road, which I assume is the name in some places. I'm guessing it has something to do with the industrial parks north of Jeffersonville but still it has to be a new name even for those who have lived in that area.

And finally, are there any signs that indicate the presence of Utica? Given that town will be accessed via this highway I thought at least a supplemental sign would be appropriate. I'll likely be on these bridges after the New Year's which means of course I'll be paying for it later on.

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 21, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
Isn't the US 31 bridge formally also known as the Second Street Bridge? Maybe that name might get more use to differentiate it with the new Lewis and Clark Bridge.

Speaking of names, what the hell is International Drive (sounds like it should be in Orlando.) Google Maps shows the road as Old Salem Road, which I assume is the name in some places. I'm guessing it has something to do with the industrial parks north of Jeffersonville but still it has to be a new name even for those who have lived in that area.

And finally, are there any signs that indicate the presence of Utica? Given that town will be accessed via this highway I thought at least a supplemental sign would be appropriate. I'll likely be on these bridges after the New Year's which means of course I'll be paying for it later on.

i have no idea, maybe they renamed old salem road?

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 21, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
Isn't the US 31 bridge formally also known as the Second Street Bridge? Maybe that name might get more use to differentiate it with the new Lewis and Clark Bridge.

Speaking of names, what the hell is International Drive (sounds like it should be in Orlando.) Google Maps shows the road as Old Salem Road, which I assume is the name in some places. I'm guessing it has something to do with the industrial parks north of Jeffersonville but still it has to be a new name even for those who have lived in that area.

And finally, are there any signs that indicate the presence of Utica? Given that town will be accessed via this highway I thought at least a supplemental sign would be appropriate. I'll likely be on these bridges after the New Year's which means of course I'll be paying for it later on.

The previously existing Old Salem Road between Utica and 265 is a very narrow, 2-lane road in poor shape.  Access to that road, and thus Utica, from this exit, is not going to exist until the road can be improved.  My guess is that once this happens, Utica will be added to the signs.

Apparently International Drive is the name of the new section of road between this exit and IN 62.  I drove this road the first night the bridge was open and ended up at the light on 62 right by Amazon. 

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 21, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
Speaking of names, what the hell is International Drive (sounds like it should be in Orlando.)

I'm actually reading this post while on International Drive in Orlando.

There is also one in Louisville that has many common building numbers with the one in Orlando.



iPhone .

Quote from: mvak36 on December 21, 2016, 01:11:45 AM

Quote from: mvak36 on December 06, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
they're probably going to name it after some politician or something.

Thankfully, I was wrong about this. I love the new name for the bridge.

Could have been even worse, with some kind of corporate sponsor like "The Convenience Stores of Speedway's Week-Old Taquito Ohio River Crossing"

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 21, 2016, 08:56:28 PM
Isn't the US 31 bridge formally also known as the Second Street Bridge? Maybe that name might get more use to differentiate it with the new Lewis and Clark Bridge.

Speaking of names, what the hell is International Drive (sounds like it should be in Orlando.) Google Maps shows the road as Old Salem Road, which I assume is the name in some places. I'm guessing it has something to do with the industrial parks north of Jeffersonville but still it has to be a new name even for those who have lived in that area.

And finally, are there any signs that indicate the presence of Utica? Given that town will be accessed via this highway I thought at least a supplemental sign would be appropriate. I'll likely be on these bridges after the New Year's which means of course I'll be paying for it later on.

From what I can tell, I think the official name for the US31 bridge downtown is the George Rogers Clark Memorial Bridge. I've lived here for about 12 years and in my experience people call it either the "Clark Memorial" or the "Second Street" Bridge. Those two terms are just about evenly used...maybe Clark Memorial is just a bit more common.

International Drive is just a local road that serves a business park in Jeffersonville, Indiana. It appears to be in place of what GM shows as Old Salem Road (I'm not entirely familiar with that neighborhood, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong).

No signs heralding Utica yet. However, Old Salem Road south of 265 is currently closed for reconstruction. The road will more than double in width, going from 14 feet total to two 11-foot lanes and two 4-foot paved shoulders on either side with room for cyclists. The construction isn't expected to be completed until late 2017, which Uticans are none too pleased about. Perhaps once the construction is over, Utica will get its due. It will also be interesting to see what that stretch of road will be named.

I drove the new bridge three times today -- twice from Kentucky into Indiana, and once from Indiana back to Kentucky.

What is signed "International Drive" in Highway Gothic on the Kentucky side of the bridge is apparently signed "River Ridge" in Clearview in Indiana.

There's a sign placement goof going west on the Indiana side -- There's a sign listing mileages for River Ridge, I-65 and I-64. Problem is, the sign is located beyond the River Ridge exit.

Indiana went overboard on the roundabouts at the IN 62 exit. I know the Hoosiers love their roundabouts, but gee whiz. On my first foray across the bridge, I exited at IN 62 and went east before I turned around to head back across into Kentucky. I had to wait quite awhile at the first roundabout (the ramp to IN 265/IN 62 west) because of the heavy traffic heading east on old 62 getting on 265 toward I-65.

Indiana had put down brine on the bridge, as it seems to do every bridge on major routes.

River Ridge is the name of the massive redevelopment of the former Indiana Army Ammunition Plant north of I-265. I am unsure of any International Drive, unless its a new road that's under construction.

Quote from: hbelkins on December 30, 2016, 07:52:26 PM
I drove the new bridge three times today -- twice from Kentucky into Indiana, and once from Indiana back to Kentucky.

What is signed "International Drive" in Highway Gothic on the Kentucky side of the bridge is apparently signed "River Ridge" in Clearview in Indiana.

There's a sign placement goof going west on the Indiana side -- There's a sign listing mileages for River Ridge, I-65 and I-64. Problem is, the sign is located beyond the River Ridge exit.

Indiana went overboard on the roundabouts at the IN 62 exit. I know the Hoosiers love their roundabouts, but gee whiz. On my first foray across the bridge, I exited at IN 62 and went east before I turned around to head back across into Kentucky. I had to wait quite awhile at the first roundabout (the ramp to IN 265/IN 62 west) because of the heavy traffic heading east on old 62 getting on 265 toward I-65.

Indiana had put down brine on the bridge, as it seems to do every bridge on major routes.

River Ridge can also be accessed by 62 so that's probably why it appears on that mileage sign.

International Drive is apparently the name of the new road connecting 265 to River Ridge, though I don't know why it isn't signed consistently.

Also, the road connecting that exit to Utica is not finished yet and the people of Utica are upset about it.

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 31, 2016, 10:26:44 AM
International Drive is apparently the name of the new road connecting 265 to River Ridge, though I don't know why it isn't signed consistently.

There's blank space on Indiana's River Ridge exit signs. International Drive might be added at a later date.

have they fixed that interchange with 62? i remember them saying they'd do something to fix it to address safety concerns

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 01, 2017, 06:09:54 PM
have they fixed that interchange with 62? i remember them saying they'd do something to fix it to address safety concerns

Nothing has been changed.  With the large volume of trucks going from EB 265 to Port Rd, I don't know why they didn't have a direct ramp.  It's all the trucks going through that roundabout that's causing the problems. 

Picture Time! (I hope it'll work this time! :-D)
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Heading SB on I-65 just before the interchange with I-265. I kind of wish they'll install flyover ramps in the future because we had to slow down a lot for the cloverleaf, but its not that big of a deal.

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I think I took this photo right after the new concrete pavement began, before then the quality of the road was quite crappy.

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Some photos of the bridge itself. I think the bridge looks pretty nice, but some of he rock cuts along the new stretch of highway looked different than what I'm used to seeing along I-64 for some reason.

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Getting to go through a tunnel is always neat in this part of the country. If you want to see an example of what I'm talking about with the rock cuts, the upper right layer of rock near the entrance to the tunnel is one. Why does it look so different compared to the lower layer? :confused:

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These last 3 photos were taken going NB on I-265(KY-841) during a much better day weather-wise.

these are great photos!  i wish indiana used more concrete pavement!  that cloverleaf with 65/265 is weird, one of the loops is much bigger than the other 3

I drove from Lexington to Indy yesterday using I 265, and I loved it! Still has the the "new road" smell.

Coming east on I 64 to exit 19, took I?265 north. Great way to bypass downtown Louisville. The mileage difference on my odometer minimal, but the ease was well worth it.

Forgot to mention in my earlier post about driving the new bridge -- there are still two signs southbound on I-71 stating that KY 841 ends at US 42 in Kentucky. Not sure why those haven't been removed yet.

Quote from: billtm on January 02, 2017, 04:00:44 PM
Picture Time! (I hope it'll work this time! :-D)
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Heading SB on I-65 just before the interchange with I-265. I kind of wish they'll install flyover ramps in the future because we had to slow down a lot for the cloverleaf, but its not that big of a deal.

I use that interchange going to/from work each day and my trip home gets slowed a bit because of the cloverleaf instead of the flyover for NB 65->WB 265.  The only leg that has the flyover right now is EB 265->NB.

Also, I-65 Exit 5 (Veterans Pkwy) very badly needs to be redone into a SPUI.

Interesting too that the control city for Exit 6A is Jeffersonville, unless there's supplemental signage telling you that you can take that highway toward Kentucky. Jeffersonville doesn't do too much good since the main part of the city can be reached further south along I-65 toward the river. I suppose the highway does serve the far northern fringes of that city however.

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 03, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Interesting too that the control city for Exit 6A is Jeffersonville, unless there's supplemental signage telling you that you can take that highway toward Kentucky. Jeffersonville doesn't do too much good since the main part of the city can be reached further south along I-65 toward the river. I suppose the highway does serve the far northern fringes of that city however.

There isn't any supplemental signage as of now.  They need a supplemental sign that says, "Lexington via I-64 and Cincinnati via I-71 use Exit 6A"

IMHO, it would seem that as you approach I-265 from both 64, 65, and 71 the signage should indicate the that 265 is a bypass of Louisville, with the various interstates and control cities as appropriate,  and the control city for remaining on any is "Downtown Louisville".   Obviously with signage for the connection between 65 N and 64 W. 

Kentucky needs to get rid of this and its twin about a half-mile down the road on I-71 southbound.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/684/31707783000_24d2a87246_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QiUFcN)2016 East End Bridge Trip Day 1 - 203 (https://flic.kr/p/QiUFcN) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr

I love the new pics and the area. I hope I get the chance to cross it as a side trip the next time I drive through the area.

My concern lies with the control city signage. Jeffersonville as a control city for a highway that will pull drivers away from said city is quite ill advised, especially when the highway in which that sign is located takes you directly there. Also, using Louisville as a control city for eastbound State Road 265 (at Old Salem Road, where it's much closer to the river, but pulls you further from Louisville by crossing it) is equally as puzzling, since it would be much easier to go west to I-65 to get to Louisville. Plus, it doesnt feel as if you're being "boomeranged" by going that direction.

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
I love the new pics and the area. I hope I get the chance to cross it as a side trip the next time I drive through the area.

My concern lies with the control city signage. Jeffersonville as a control city for a highway that will pull drivers away from said city is quite ill advised, especially when the highway in which that sign is located takes you directly there. Also, using Louisville as a control city for eastbound State Road 265 (at Old Salem Road, where it's much closer to the river, but pulls you further from Louisville by crossing it) is equally as puzzling, since it would be much easier to go west to I-65 to get to Louisville. Plus, it doesnt feel as if you're being "boomeranged" by going that direction.

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

Jeffersonville was listed as the control city for EB 265 before the bridge was built, so at that time the primary destination for traffic taking EB 265 was River Ridge or other points in Eastern Jeffersonville.  Clearly this needs to be changed now but it made sense until a month ago.

There are plenty of other cases where signage made sense when there was no bridge but now does not make sense.  I agree that signing 265 like a beltway is a good idea.  Maybe this can happen in conjunction with getting the new bridge and the rest of the section between 65 and 71 designated as I-265, which is something I assume they are going to do but haven't seen anything official about it. 

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

For 841 north/265 west, should St. Louis also be a control city (representing I-64 west)?

Part of the issue is that Louisville's beltways have been historically signed by name with no control city (264/Watterson, 265/Snyder). Now that the bridge is complete, 265 with bypass destinations makes sense (especially when the goal of the bridge project was to take thru traffic out of downtown).

Yes, now that the bridge/road is complete, it would make sense to start using Cincinnati, Lexington, Nashville, St. Louis and Indianapolis as control cities on 265/841.

Also, get on with getting it signed as I-265 so we can stop using multiple numbers while referring to the road.

Quote from: TheStranger on January 05, 2017, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

For 841 north/265 west, should St. Louis also be a control city (representing I-64 west)?

Part of the issue is that Louisville's beltways have been historically signed by name with no control city (264/Watterson, 265/Snyder). Now that the bridge is complete, 265 with bypass destinations makes sense (especially when the goal of the bridge project was to take thru traffic out of downtown).

This would be a good case for supplemental signage. There used to be some small signage on northbound I-65 indicating traffic for Lexington or Cincinnati should take eastbound 265/841. And while I think Indianapolis and St. Louis might be appropriate for I-71 south approaching the Snyder, I don't know how much thru westbound I-64 traffic is going to use 265 to bypass downtown. Myself, I'm not sure if I would even use it to make the I-64 west to I-65 north connection unless downtown Louisville was a mess.

Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2017, 01:03:16 PM

Quote from: TheStranger on January 05, 2017, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

For 841 north/265 west, should St. Louis also be a control city (representing I-64 west)?

Part of the issue is that Louisville's beltways have been historically signed by name with no control city (264/Watterson, 265/Snyder). Now that the bridge is complete, 265 with bypass destinations makes sense (especially when the goal of the bridge project was to take thru traffic out of downtown).

This would be a good case for supplemental signage. There used to be some small signage on northbound I-65 indicating traffic for Lexington or Cincinnati should take eastbound 265/841. And while I think Indianapolis and St. Louis might be appropriate for I-71 south approaching the Snyder, I don't know how much thru westbound I-64 traffic is going to use 265 to bypass downtown. Myself, I'm not sure if I would even use it to make the I-64 west to I-65 north connection unless downtown Louisville was a mess.

It's only 0.3 miles shorter to use 265 instead of 71 directly to 64.

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2017, 01:08:36 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2017, 01:03:16 PM

Quote from: TheStranger on January 05, 2017, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

For 841 north/265 west, should St. Louis also be a control city (representing I-64 west)?

Part of the issue is that Louisville's beltways have been historically signed by name with no control city (264/Watterson, 265/Snyder). Now that the bridge is complete, 265 with bypass destinations makes sense (especially when the goal of the bridge project was to take thru traffic out of downtown).

This would be a good case for supplemental signage. There used to be some small signage on northbound I-65 indicating traffic for Lexington or Cincinnati should take eastbound 265/841. And while I think Indianapolis and St. Louis might be appropriate for I-71 south approaching the Snyder, I don't know how much thru westbound I-64 traffic is going to use 265 to bypass downtown. Myself, I'm not sure if I would even use it to make the I-64 west to I-65 north connection unless downtown Louisville was a mess.

It's only 0.3 miles shorter to use 265 instead of 71 directly to 64.

But the time savings using 265 to 71 to 64, instead of going through downtown, would probably be significant during rush hour or other busy times.

Quote from: TheStranger on January 05, 2017, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM

This would've been the ideal time to follow the practice Ohio does for their beltways: using control cities based on the nearest interstate puling away from the bypassed city. IN-265 East uses Cincinnati and Lexington (in that order, since I-71 would be reached before I-64), KY 841 North/IN-265 West uses Indianapolis, and all interchanges in between can simply use "TO I-71 and I-64" or "TO I-65." Other than that, I love the work done, and it looks really good.

For 841 north/265 west, should St. Louis also be a control city (representing I-64 west)?

Part of the issue is that Louisville's beltways have been historically signed by name with no control city (264/Watterson, 265/Snyder). Now that the bridge is complete, 265 with bypass destinations makes sense (especially when the goal of the bridge project was to take thru traffic out of downtown).

I'd use St. Louis as a supplemental sign for I-71 southbound traffic since switching to I-64 wouldn't take place until well into Indiana, then I'd use full signage for St. Louis at the I-65 (Indiana) interchange. New Albany would be moved to supplemental signage.

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/5/14143746/louisville-spaghetti-junction?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook

This article is sure to piss you guys off

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/5/14143746/louisville-spaghetti-junction?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook

This article is sure to piss you guys off

This is nothing new to people here.  There has been a small movement for a long time to get rid of I-64 between downtown and the Sherman Minton Bridge.  It's really not an awful idea, but doing so would make the rest of the construction this article is mocking more necessary, not less.

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2017, 07:38:20 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/5/14143746/louisville-spaghetti-junction?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook

This article is sure to piss you guys off

This is nothing new to people here.  There has been a small movement for a long time to get rid of I-64 between downtown and the Sherman Minton Bridge.  It's really not an awful idea, but doing so would make the rest of the construction this article is mocking more necessary, not less.

That is exactly what bothered me the most about this article. Sure you can get rid of it, but there must be an alternative for people to take to be in place first.

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/5/14143746/louisville-spaghetti-junction?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook

This article is sure to piss you guys off

Yep, it sure pissed me off. Whenever that article gave examples of freeways being removed, it's usually short freeways like the Central Freeway in SF. Those I can understand how they'd have minimal impact on traffic given that it was little more than a glorified offramp (same with the Embarcadero Freeway), and didn't really carry much thru traffic, but ripping out actual 2di freeways through cities is something that has never been done before (at least not yet) and hopefully never spreads beyond the Community Gridlock idea in Rochester. And I have never really understood the argument that new urbanist hipsters put forth about freeways being a "scar" on a city. How is it a scar? Freeways help cities, not wound them!

Quote from: compdude787 on January 06, 2017, 01:40:38 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/5/14143746/louisville-spaghetti-junction?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook

This article is sure to piss you guys off

Yep, it sure pissed me off. Whenever that article gave examples of freeways being removed, it's usually short freeways like the Central Freeway in SF. Those I can understand how they'd have minimal impact on traffic given that it was little more than a glorified offramp (same with the Embarcadero Freeway), and didn't really carry much thru traffic, but ripping out actual 2di freeways through cities is something that has never been done before (at least not yet) and hopefully never spreads beyond the Community Gridlock idea in Rochester. And I have never really understood the argument that new urbanist hipsters put forth about freeways being a "scar" on a city. How is it a scar? Freeways help cities, not wound them!

Yeah, and even in Rochester it makes a little more sense as that city has been steadily losing population.

Quote from: billtm on January 06, 2017, 04:55:04 PM

Quote from: compdude787 on January 06, 2017, 01:40:38 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/5/14143746/louisville-spaghetti-junction?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook

This article is sure to piss you guys off

Yep, it sure pissed me off. Whenever that article gave examples of freeways being removed, it's usually short freeways like the Central Freeway in SF. Those I can understand how they'd have minimal impact on traffic given that it was little more than a glorified offramp (same with the Embarcadero Freeway), and didn't really carry much thru traffic, but ripping out actual 2di freeways through cities is something that has never been done before (at least not yet) and hopefully never spreads beyond the Community Gridlock idea in Rochester. And I have never really understood the argument that new urbanist hipsters put forth about freeways being a "scar" on a city. How is it a scar? Freeways help cities, not wound them!

Yeah, and even in Rochester it makes a little more sense as that city has been steadily losing population.

There are few things that would please me more than to see the elimination of I-64 between I-65 and I-264 in downtown Louisville. It is an elevated expressway that is a terrible blight on our downtown. It's hideous, it creates darkness, and it invites graffiti and vandalism. It's a scar on what could be a very nice urban riverfront landscape. It mars the many millions (billions?) of dollars the city has spent on beautifying its waterfront. Symbolically, it separates the city from the reason for her existence in the first place: the river.

I daresay that local traffic barely uses it, and what little local traffic that does use it could use a surface boulevard just as easily. Long-haul traffic can simply use I-264 or, now, the new I-265 (IN 265/KY 841) highway through Indiana.

However, those in favor of I-64 through the heart of the city probably needn't worry much. The 8664 movement had some momentum years ago, but I think it has pretty much died out at this point.

Local traffic does use it quite a bit.  There are plenty of daily commuters from Floyd County to downtown Louisville.  You're adding 10 minutes to their commute if you remove 64, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but there is a cost.  Also, if you're going to force all that traffic around 265 to 65, you'll absolutely have to get rid of the cloverleafs at that interchange (which already really needs to be done).

Quote from: TR69 on January 06, 2017, 05:34:26 PM

There are few things that would please me more than to see the elimination of I-64 between I-65 and I-264 in downtown Louisville.

You missed that boat about 60 years ago.

Me, I'd like to see a zillion-lane freeway completely obliterate everything inside the Watterson.  :bigass:

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Local traffic does use it quite a bit.  There are plenty of daily commuters from Floyd County to downtown Louisville.  You're adding 10 minutes to their commute if you remove 64, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but there is a cost. 

I can compromise and keep a stub from the Sherman Minton to 9th Street. I-764?

^ How about absolutely not?

Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2017, 07:44:52 PM
Me, I'd like to see a zillion-lane freeway completely obliterate everything inside the Watterson.  :bigass:

duke.

64 will get more traffic now due to toll dodgers

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 07, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
64 will get more traffic now due to toll dodgers

Going that far out of the way to avoid a $2 toll just doesn't make sense.

Quote from: hbelkins on January 07, 2017, 05:59:32 PM
Going that far out of the way to avoid a $2 toll just doesn't make sense.

I thought the rate was $4 though for those without a transponder?  That would be enough that if I didn't have a transponder I would start considering alternative routings.

Quote from: Revive 755 on January 07, 2017, 07:54:44 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on January 07, 2017, 05:59:32 PM
Going that far out of the way to avoid a $2 toll just doesn't make sense.

I thought the rate was $4 though for those without a transponder?  That would be enough that if I didn't have a transponder I would start considering alternative routings.

I got the IPass for like 10 bucks so I could use it whenever I get around to trying to clinch interstates in the EZ-Pass states. I'm not sure how feasible it would be for others.

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 07, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
64 will get more traffic now due to toll dodgers

So far... that has not been the case.

For a point west of I-265 in Indiana on I-64 to I-71 northeast of I-265, its 33 minutes/31.4 miles via I-265 or 32 minutes/31.3 miles via I-64 and I-71. In rush hour, this is going to be considerably different and you'll add easily 30 minutes to I-64/I-71.

for I-65 north of I-265 to I-64 east of I-265, it's 24 minutes/24.9 miles via I-65/64, or 25 minutes/25.1 miles via I-265. Add 30 minutes easy in rush hour for the former route. To avoid tolls, its 38 minutes/33.8 miles, plus 30 minutes or more in rush hour. Few will do that.

I've yet to have anyone say that they are using I-64 to avoid tolls, but I did talk to several people Saturday who are using US 31 in lieu of I-65.

I live in the Atlanta area and have a Peach Pass transponder on my car.  However, I have an elderly parent in the Louisville area and spend considerable time there.  I don't mind paying the tolls for the new bridges.  I do realize that if it weren't for the tolls, these bridges would not had been constructed at all.  However, my pet frustration is the lack of interoperability between various toll systems.  As of now, Peach Pass does not work with EZ-Pass or presumably River Link.  Thus I presume I will have to pay the maximum $4.00 toll to cross each bridge, rather than getting the transponder discount.  That P.O.'s me.   

Of the mainstream media's multiple failings, not least among them is to take self-appointed advocay groups seriously.  A professional journalist writing about a nut-fringe group like 8664 would first determine how many members it has, and then in the lead paragraph explain that it speaks for 0.1% of the affected community.

Not toll-avoiding related, but one very serious drawback to using I-265 as a bypass for I-64 is the fact that you have that nasty cloverleaf weave if you're going from the inner loop of 265 (signed southbound at that point) to eastbound I-64. I got in that mess going in the opposite direction a few years ago (eastbound 64 to northbound 265) during morning rush and it was a cluster-foxtrot; so much so that the next morning, when going to the same location, I opted to use surface routes to get to my destination on Westport Road.

Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 10:26:19 AM
Not toll-avoiding related, but one very serious drawback to using I-265 as a bypass for I-64 is the fact that you have that nasty cloverleaf weave if you're going from the inner loop of 265 (signed southbound at that point) to eastbound I-64. I got in that mess going in the opposite direction a few years ago (eastbound 64 to northbound 265) during morning rush and it was a cluster-foxtrot; so much so that the next morning, when going to the same location, I opted to use surface routes to get to my destination on Westport Road.

That probably should be fixed since you can actually use I-265 to bypass the downtown portions of I-64/I-65 now instead of just using it for local traffic and to transfer interstates.

It's in the long range plans. Has the I-71/265 rebuild advanced, too?

i'll use 31 and 64 to avoid the tolls, i go down that way like once every 4 years, as a very infrequent user, i would probably avoid the toll, but i also may go anyway on the new bridges just to see what they look like. 

Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 10:26:19 AM
Not toll-avoiding related, but one very serious drawback to using I-265 as a bypass for I-64 is the fact that you have that nasty cloverleaf weave if you're going from the inner loop of 265 (signed southbound at that point) to eastbound I-64. I got in that mess going in the opposite direction a few years ago (eastbound 64 to northbound 265) during morning rush and it was a cluster-foxtrot; so much so that the next morning, when going to the same location, I opted to use surface routes to get to my destination on Westport Road.

I think I mentioned this already but 265/65 in Indiana also needs to get rid of the 3 cloverleafs it has.

I think that the 265 interchanges with 64, 65 (South Louisville one, not the Indiana one), and 71 all need the cloverleafs removed. I would do them in the following order: 71, 64, and 65. I'm not a civil engineer, but it looks like they might be able to make the 265/65 interchange into a turbine interchange without having to acquire too much ROW.

In order to remove the weaving sections from a pure cloverleaf, two of the diagonal loops could be replaced with directional ramps (in the case of the I-64 interchange, maybe remove the SW and NE loops based on possible heaviest traffic patterns).  The remaining two loops could remain with their acceleration lanes lenghtened, being that there would no longer be weaving sections.

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 10, 2017, 06:54:42 AM

I think I mentioned this already but 265/65 in Indiana also needs to get rid of the 3 cloverleafs it has.

That interchange also looks like a good candidate for a turbine interchange (if they get rid of all the cloverleafs). Or, if they only do one cloverleaf, make the WB 265 to SB 65 a flyover or directional ramp to get rid of the weaving.

http://www.citylab.com/commute/2017/01/has-louisville-figured-out-how-to-eliminate-traffic-congestion/513530/?utm_source=SFFB

this article fails to mention that a free route has to be maintained by law.

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
this article fails to mention that a free route has to be maintained by law.

What law?

Or maybe I'm mistaken I thought there was a law where the US highway is never on a toll road, with certain exceptions like us 51 since Illinois 251 is free

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
Or maybe I'm mistaken I thought there was a law where the US highway is never on a toll road, with certain exceptions like us 51 since Illinois 251 is free

That's AASHTO policy and doesn't apply to toll bridges for reasons that should be obvious if you think for a second.

And how is this obvious? list the policy

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2017, 06:32:41 PM
And how is this obvious?

Because many U.S. Highways cross toll bridges.

Well forgive me for being wrong and not being an encyclopedia like you

Bridges never had that limitation due to the much higher costs of building them. There are quite a few toll bridges on the US highway system, mostly in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. The Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel carries US 13, the Benjamin Franklin Bridge carries US 30 (cosigned with I-676), the George Washington Bridge carries US 1, US 9, US 46 (and I-95), the Chesapeake Bay Bridge carries US 50 and US 301, the Delaware Memorial Bridge carries US 40, and there are plenty of others.

Quote from: mvak36 on January 10, 2017, 11:14:10 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 10, 2017, 06:54:42 AM

I think I mentioned this already but 265/65 in Indiana also needs to get rid of the 3 cloverleafs it has.

That interchange also looks like a good candidate for a turbine interchange (if they get rid of all the cloverleafs). Or, if they only do one cloverleaf, make the WB 265 to SB 65 a flyover or directional ramp to get rid of the weaving.

I'm not hopeful that it will make any difference, but I did send a message to my state senator and copied INDOT Southeast on my request to consider a project to eliminate the cloverleafs at I-65/I-265, and also secondarily a project to turn the I-65/Veterans Pkwy interchange into a SPUI.

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 22, 2017, 08:25:53 PM

Quote from: mvak36 on January 10, 2017, 11:14:10 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 10, 2017, 06:54:42 AM

I think I mentioned this already but 265/65 in Indiana also needs to get rid of the 3 cloverleafs it has.

That interchange also looks like a good candidate for a turbine interchange (if they get rid of all the cloverleafs). Or, if they only do one cloverleaf, make the WB 265 to SB 65 a flyover or directional ramp to get rid of the weaving.

I'm not hopeful that it will make any difference, but I did send a message to my state senator and copied INDOT Southeast on my request to consider a project to eliminate the cloverleafs at I-65/I-265, and also secondarily a project to turn the I-65/Veterans Pkwy interchange into a SPUI.

Good luck.


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Does anyone know if Kentucky and Indiana have submitted the application(s) to AASHTO to get I-265 officially designated between I-65 and I-71?

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 03, 2017, 10:02:14 AM
Does anyone know if Kentucky and Indiana have submitted the application(s) to AASHTO to get I-265 officially designated between I-65 and I-71?

Not that I know. I tried searching it up, but nothing.

I can verify that the toll transponders are working correctly. I got my West Virginia E-ZPass statement yesterday, and it accurately showed three trips across the East End Bridge on Dec. 20 at $2 apiece.

Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 04:07:55 PM
I can verify that the toll transponders are working correctly. I got my West Virginia E-ZPass statement yesterday, and it accurately showed three trips across the East End Bridge on Dec. 20 at $2 apiece.

But I thought tolling wasn't to begin on any of the bridges until December 30?

Quote from: rlb2024 on February 03, 2017, 10:38:59 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 04:07:55 PM
I can verify that the toll transponders are working correctly. I got my West Virginia E-ZPass statement yesterday, and it accurately showed three trips across the East End Bridge on Dec. 20 at $2 apiece.

But I thought tolling wasn't to begin on any of the bridges until December 30?

Typo. I meant 30. I have fat fingers, the 2 and 3 are next to each other on the keyboard, and I never quite mastered typing numbers without looking at the keys.

Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 04:07:55 PM
I can verify that the toll transponders are working correctly. I got my West Virginia E-ZPass statement yesterday, and it accurately showed three trips across the East End Bridge on Dec. 20 at $2 apiece.

My EZ Pass has also been charged for all of my trips. 

I have an unregistered plate with no EZ pass or RiverLink. I crossed both the downtown and the east end bridge on December 30th. I received one bill for the two crossings (totaling $8). The bill included a picture of my car and plate as I crossed one of the bridges (downtown I think). I was able to pay it online without making an account--just as a guest.

So, I can confirm that the paper billing system is working!

Quote from: CardInLex on February 08, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
I have an unregistered plate with no EZ pass or RiverLink. I crossed both the downtown and the east end bridge on December 30th. I received one bill for the two crossings (totaling $8). The bill included a picture of my car and plate as I crossed one of the bridges (downtown I think). I was able to pay it online without making an account--just as a guest.

So, I can confirm that the paper billing system is working!

I'd like to hear a report for someone from a distant state. It's been several years since I drove on the PGBT (sounds like a dog breed) in the Dallas area and I have yet to receive a bill.

Pig Butt sounds like a dog breed?

Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
Pig Butt sounds like a dog breed?

Every year when the Westminster dog show is on, there's a breed with a long name that the announcers always abbreviate as "PBGV."

Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2017, 03:36:38 PM

Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
Pig Butt sounds like a dog breed?

Every year when the Westminster dog show is on, there's a breed with a long name that the announcers always abbreviate as "PBGV."

Pit Bulls Generate Violence?

Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2017, 10:25:30 AM
I'd like to hear a report for someone from a distant state. It's been several years since I drove on the PGBT (sounds like a dog breed) in the Dallas area and I have yet to receive a bill.

Right up until NTTA gets reciprocity with a toll agency that has access to your state's license plate database, in which case you might get a gigantic bill for the toll plus all the late fees and whatnot. You'll probably be able to call them and talk them down to just paying the actual toll if you don't act like a jerk on the phone.

Quote from: hbelkins on February 09, 2017, 03:36:38 PM
Every year when the Westminster dog show is on, there's a breed with a long name that the announcers always abbreviate as "PBGV."

Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen. Basically what you get when you combine the body of a basset with the coat of a terrier.

After traveling on this several times I can't help but notice that the cops seem to love this new section of freeway for speed enforcement. I have seen them hide out frequently beside the Port Road overpass in the median as well as the Old Salem Road onramps. It really should be 65mph considering it's in a semi-rural environment, as the majority of drivers treat it, but the cops are taking advantage of the slow 55mph limit.

Yeah, I see ISP just about every time I go over there.  I keep my cruise set at 67 and they don't bother me.

Quote from: ukfan758 on April 13, 2017, 12:35:05 AM
After traveling on this several times I can't help but notice that the cops seem to love this new section of freeway for speed enforcement. I have seen them hide out frequently beside the Port Road overpass in the median as well as the Old Salem Road onramps. It really should be 65mph considering it's in a semi-rural environment, as the majority of drivers treat it, but the cops are taking advantage of the slow 55mph limit.

265 sounds like 465, speed limit is posted as 55, but the real speed limit is 70.

Quote from: ukfan758 on April 13, 2017, 12:35:05 AM
After traveling on this several times I can't help but notice that the cops seem to love this new section of freeway for making money.

FTFY  :D

I have not seen anything on the news locally regarding getting IN-265 from I-65 to the bridge and KY 841 from the bridge to I-71 signed as I-265.  Does anybody have any info on this process?

Quote from: ukfan758 on April 13, 2017, 12:35:05 AM
After traveling on this several times I can't help but notice that the cops seem to love this new section of freeway for speed enforcement. I have seen them hide out frequently beside the Port Road overpass in the median as well as the Old Salem Road onramps. It really should be 65mph considering it's in a semi-rural environment, as the majority of drivers treat it, but the cops are taking advantage of the slow 55mph limit.

Has been this way even before the reconstruction.  Wife received an Indiana welcoming package (ticket) 10 years ago for 67 in this stretch. 

Quote from: mdthomas8368 on June 27, 2017, 10:02:04 PM

Quote from: ukfan758 on April 13, 2017, 12:35:05 AM
After traveling on this several times I can't help but notice that the cops seem to love this new section of freeway for speed enforcement. I have seen them hide out frequently beside the Port Road overpass in the median as well as the Old Salem Road onramps. It really should be 65mph considering it's in a semi-rural environment, as the majority of drivers treat it, but the cops are taking advantage of the slow 55mph limit.

Has been this way even before the reconstruction.  Wife received an Indiana welcoming package (ticket) 10 years ago for 67 in this stretch.

this is Indiana, where they under post just about every urban speed limit.  465 and most highways in urban areas are 55 for some reason.  everyone knows the real speed limit is 70.  you just need to remember where they like to hide.  the only justified urban speed limits are the 50 mph posted on 65 and 70 downtown, due to the curves. 

Quote from: cabiness42 on June 27, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
I have not seen anything on the news locally regarding getting IN-265 from I-65 to the bridge and KY 841 from the bridge to I-71 signed as I-265.  Does anybody have any info on this process?

I guess Indiana and Kentucky will have to make a joint application to AASHTO/FHWA.

Quote from: hbelkins on June 28, 2017, 01:35:13 PM

Quote from: cabiness42 on June 27, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
I have not seen anything on the news locally regarding getting IN-265 from I-65 to the bridge and KY 841 from the bridge to I-71 signed as I-265.  Does anybody have any info on this process?

I guess Indiana and Kentucky will have to make a joint application to AASHTO/FHWA.

You would think they would have done this by now.  I'm pretty sure it would not get turned down...

Yeah, you would have thought it would have been done by now, considering that was the entire objective, to connect the two I-265's in the first place.

My guess is that both state DOTs involved will have to file a joint application for that.

Could someone explain to me why Kentucky submitted and application to AASHTO to get I-165 created after additional construction, but neither Indiana or Kentucky could submit an application to fill in the gaps between the two halves of I-265 that already have an interstate standard road between them???

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 01, 2017, 09:37:44 AM
Could someone explain to me why Kentucky submitted and application to AASHTO to get I-165 created after additional construction, but neither Indiana or Kentucky could submit an application to fill in the gaps between the two halves of I-265 that already have an interstate standard road between them???

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

it would have made sense to do that, so they didn't do it.  :spin:

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 01, 2017, 09:37:44 AM
Could someone explain to me why Kentucky submitted and application to AASHTO to get I-165 created after additional construction, but neither Indiana or Kentucky could submit an application to fill in the gaps between the two halves of I-265 that already have an interstate standard road between them???

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

No political points to be scored there, I guess.

All is not well.

Multiple posts on the Riverlink page of
Inaccurate crossing records
Waiting to send out the invoices until MONTHS later, then charging copious late fees. Particularly for non Indiana and non Kentucky people.
Multiple invoices for paid tolls.
And they claim it will take until 2053 to pay off the bridges.......

Yeah I wouldn't be supervised to find out later of some major corruption charges.

https://www.facebook.com/RiverLinkTolls/?hc_ref=ARRbnUqi9C8cUrMf_GBYlYKS6_A90vc_nhuV86lqsWL0-H7rt5BQTZdDYYEjTzDkmtY&fref=nf

They may or may not be cleaning off the comments on that page.

Quote from: Moose on January 30, 2018, 06:29:35 PM
All is not well.

Multiple posts on the Riverlink page of
Inaccurate crossing records
Waiting to send out the invoices until MONTHS later, then charging copious late fees. Particularly for non Indiana and non Kentucky people.
Multiple invoices for paid tolls.
And they claim it will take until 2053 to pay off the bridges.......

Yeah I wouldn't be supervised to find out later of some major corruption charges.

https://www.facebook.com/RiverLinkTolls/?hc_ref=ARRbnUqi9C8cUrMf_GBYlYKS6_A90vc_nhuV86lqsWL0-H7rt5BQTZdDYYEjTzDkmtY&fref=nf

They may or may not be cleaning off the comments on that page.

Are there any news reports on this or just comments on Facebook?

I don't have a Face book account and can't get to the page linked.

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 31, 2018, 01:22:39 PM

Quote from: Moose on January 30, 2018, 06:29:35 PM
All is not well.

Multiple posts on the Riverlink page of
Inaccurate crossing records
Waiting to send out the invoices until MONTHS later, then charging copious late fees. Particularly for non Indiana and non Kentucky people.
Multiple invoices for paid tolls.
And they claim it will take until 2053 to pay off the bridges.......

Yeah I wouldn't be supervised to find out later of some major corruption charges.

https://www.facebook.com/RiverLinkTolls/?hc_ref=ARRbnUqi9C8cUrMf_GBYlYKS6_A90vc_nhuV86lqsWL0-H7rt5BQTZdDYYEjTzDkmtY&fref=nf

They may or may not be cleaning off the comments on that page.

Are there any news reports on this or just comments on Facebook?

I don't have a Face book account and can't get to the page linked.

This article hints at some of the problems.
https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2018/01/26/after-nearly-30-million-crossings-in-2017.html
"The tolling system came under scrutiny in its first year for delays in invoices as well as incorrect invoices. The system also has wrestled with lengthy call-waiting times."

https://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/tolling-company-adding-reps-to-offer-new-payment-options-amid-customer-criticism

I put $20 in an account when the bridges opened and got transponders for the wife's car and my own.  We don't go to the Louisville area all that often, but we go enough that it was worth doing.  And I've been properly charged each time, on time.  I get an email telling me how much came out, which car went across, etc. every month.

I've been on the bridges since they were tolled. No issues with my WV E-ZPass account.

I drove both new bridges with a rental car back in June, and I never got a bill mailed to me.  My vehicle had Ontario plates on it, so it's possible that the tolling agency doesn't have access to the vehicle owner's registration information.

Drove through yesterday, and Placarded Hazmat is still prohibited from using the tunnel in both directions.

Quote from: tidecat on February 04, 2018, 10:47:59 PM
Drove through yesterday, and Placarded Hazmat is still prohibited from using the tunnel in both directions.

They had an issue with the fire suppression system during that cold snap right after Christmas.

Quote from: hbelkins on February 02, 2018, 11:24:06 AM
I've been on the bridges since they were tolled. No issues with my WV E-ZPass account.

I'm sure E-Z Pass works fine.  Guessing the issues would be with the non E-ZPass vehicles.

Which it shouldn't be an issue. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt, but it really is just a major screw up with the agency. This is ripe for lawsuits because people are not being billed properly, and when they are being billed, it is very much inflated with "late" fees and other surcharges. Can you imagine if this happened on the Mass Pike after their high-speed lanes were implemented?

You know I was thinking....I have an old army truck (stay with me here as I explain)

In Indiana we can use the military vehicle registration number in lieu of the plate. They give us a plate too, but we don't have to display it.

So if I took that Army truck, and drove it back and forth across the bridges all day. Would Riverlink try and charge the army? LOL

Just use the free bridge.

I wonder if the Google car has an EZ Pass.  Anyone know if they do?

INDOT Is researching a "heavy truck haul corridor" in the area, other than the obvious, I'm not sure what that means.  (new state road, or just an upgrade to existing roads and slap some truck route signs on it  :hmmm:).  Also, SR 265 (For some reason it still exists) will be signed as part of the Ohio River Scenic Byway soon, if the committee approves it at their next meeting. 

I have no idea what the holdup is in getting IN 265/KY 861 designated as I-265 between I-65 and I-71. 

I wonder now how they handle rental cars.

Quote from: cabiness42 on February 27, 2018, 11:09:54 AM
I have no idea what the holdup is in getting IN 265/KY 861 designated as I-265 between I-65 and I-71.

Have Indiana and Kentucky applied to FHWA/AASHTO for the designation?

Quote from: Moose on February 27, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
I wonder now how they handle rental cars.

Good question. I imagine the rental companies should be able to know who had possession of their car at the time of the toll being recorded, and can forward the bill to them/charge them for it.

Quote from: hbelkins on February 27, 2018, 11:34:04 AM

Quote from: cabiness42 on February 27, 2018, 11:09:54 AM
I have no idea what the holdup is in getting IN 265/KY 861 designated as I-265 between I-65 and I-71.

Have Indiana and Kentucky applied to FHWA/AASHTO for the designation?

I don't know.  I no longer live in the area so wouldn't have seen any local news coverage of the process of applying for and receiving the designation.  I can't think of a reason why they would be waiting.

Quote from: Buck87 on February 27, 2018, 11:59:09 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 27, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
I wonder now how they handle rental cars.

Good question. I imagine the rental companies should be able to know who had possession of their car at the time of the toll being recorded, and can forward the bill to them/charge them for it.

I blew a toll with a Canadian rental car on the Illinois Turnpike and forgot to pay by mail (as I had intended to do), the rental agency tracked me down.

I did Texas Toll Highway 130 a few years ago in a rental car, and was never billed, and (as I mentioned up thread) I've driven both Louisville bridges in a rental car and not been billed for that.

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on February 27, 2018, 02:18:47 PM

Quote from: Buck87 on February 27, 2018, 11:59:09 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 27, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
I wonder now how they handle rental cars.

Good question. I imagine the rental companies should be able to know who had possession of their car at the time of the toll being recorded, and can forward the bill to them/charge them for it.

I blew a toll with a Canadian rental car on the Illinois Turnpike and forgot to pay by mail (as I had intended to do), the rental agency tracked me down.

I did Texas Toll Highway 130 a few years ago in a rental car, and was never billed, and (as I mentioned up thread) I've driven both Louisville bridges in a rental car and not been billed for that.

Probably depends on how many tolls you rack up.  Can't imagine it's worth it to chase someone down for $4.

^ I'm kind of surprised how difficult it can be to pay tolls online.  This is getting off topic, but after I drove Highway 130 in Texas I actively tried to pay my toll online by entering the car's licence plate number on their website.  The website never indicated a record of the transaction for my trip for me to pay.  I don't know if the toll road operators do that for privacy reasons or what, but it seems like a missed opportunity for a toll road operator.

Quote from: thefro on February 28, 2018, 10:17:02 AM

Probably depends on how many tolls you rack up.  Can't imagine it's worth it to chase someone down for $4.

7.5 years ago, I was in Austin for a friend's wedding and used Texas Toll SH 183A in a rental car - a few weeks later, got the bill (even though I had asked the rental car company when I booked if they would cover the fees, and they had said so) at my Sacramento residence I was living in back then.

Toll was probably something like $3 total.

Ditto. I didn't have a transponder so it was pay-by-plate on SR 183A.

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on February 28, 2018, 11:36:58 AM
^ I'm kind of surprised how difficult it can be to pay tolls online.  This is getting off topic, but after I drove Highway 130 in Texas I actively tried to pay my toll online by entering the car's licence plate number on their website.  The website never indicated a record of the transaction for my trip for me to pay.  I don't know if the toll road operators do that for privacy reasons or what, but it seems like a missed opportunity for a toll road operator.

It took me 2 months to get my invoice from the 65 bridge, then when I paid online they double charged my card. I'm not going to raise a fuss over 4 extra bucks, but imagine how many extra dollars they are making if this is a regular occurrence.


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I work for a company that rents tractor trailers -  it has been a nightmare dealing with River Link, and even River Link has told us to visit them in person when adding or removing a truck.

I put together a video tour of the new Louisville Bridges from last summer:

Thanks for posting. Though it was too bad you didn't actually cross the new span on I-65.

^ That's a fair point.  It's been sometime since I did the drive obviously, but I think the reason that I went the direction that I did is that I would have been driving straight into the morning sun on I-265 if I had have traveled in the clockwise direction.  After I had driven both bridges, I didn't really want to foot the bill for another toll on I-65 to go north, though that would have been a moot point since I never got a bill anyways.

Looking at the I-65 bridges, one has to wonder how long they plan on keeping the old southbound span up? That northbound span looks very cool indeed!

Quote from: Henry on March 15, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
Looking at the I-65 bridges, one has to wonder how long they plan on keeping the old southbound span up? That northbound span looks very cool indeed!

Indefinitely. It's only 50 years old, underwent a major rehab after the northbound bridge was built, and basically half of the traffic it once carried is now switched over to the new bridge.

A lot of structural members - mainly the floor beams, were also replaced.

The riverlink facebook page is a a good read if you look at the comments.

There are a WHOLE lot of p/o people down there.

https://www.facebook.com/RiverLinkTolls/

FWIW my fiancé and I traveled over the I65 bridges on the way to and from Nashville the first weekend in March and I already received and paid my $8 bill. Seemed to work as expected in my case.

16 million dollars just to run the toll authority... money that isn't going to retiring the bonds.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/37830991/it-cost-nearly-16-million-to-run-riverlink-last-year-where-did-that-money-go

Thread bump- got some exciting news! The AASHTO just approved the designation of I-265 from I-65 in Indiana to I-71 in Kentucky! As for the Indiana State Route 265, it will get deleted and upgrades itself into an interstate.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/v3-app_crowdc/assets/3/31/31119030d9a75754/Final_Report_to_CHS_USRN_Application_Results_Spring_2019.original.1558475352.pdf?1558475353

On the funny side of things, the news media already calls that section as "Interstate 265" even though it is signed as Indiana State Route 265.

Haven't heard any official communication from KYTC on when it will be signed.

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 04, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
Thread bump- got some exciting news! The AASHTO just approved the designation of I-265 from I-65 in Indiana to I-71 in Kentucky! As for the Indiana State Route 265, it will get deleted and upgrades itself into an interstate.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/v3-app_crowdc/assets/3/31/31119030d9a75754/Final_Report_to_CHS_USRN_Application_Results_Spring_2019.original.1558475352.pdf?1558475353

On the funny side of things, the news media already calls that section as "Interstate 265" even though it is signed as Indiana State Route 265.

Only 2.5 Years to get the bridge marked as I-265, Indiana and Kentucky moved quickly on this one!

I knew this was going to happen! A complete I-265 is what Louisville needed, and now they have it.

Quote from: hbelkins on June 04, 2019, 04:14:55 PM
Haven't heard any official communication from KYTC on when it will be signed.

At the current rate on this project, another 2.5 years...

In addition to updated Route markers, I hope Bypass-like Controls are installed

Proposal:
From I-64/IN: 265 East/Inner Indy/Cincy
From I-65/IN: 265 East/Inner Cincy/Lexington; 265 West/Outer St Louis
From I-71: 265 South/Inner Lexington/Nashville; 265 North/Outer Indy/St Louis
From I-64/KY: 265 South/Inner Nashville; 265 North/Outer Cincy/Indy
From I-65/KY: 265 East/Outer Lexington/Cincy

Yes, I know KY presently uses "Gene Synder Freeway" in lieu of Controls on 265...take a lesson from IDOT where the Freeway Name, Shield, AND Control can be signed. Put Gene Snyder Freeway up in smaller Font under the Direction next to the Shield

KYTC might as well Decommission KY 841 beyond the I-65/265 junction now. It is an unnecessary redundancy now, with the route north/east of I-71 now officially I-265

Does anyone know if KYTC & InDOT plan to unify Route Mile Markers and Exit Numbers? I would assume InDOT would be mostly on the hook there, signage-wise. There are examples of other 3DIs that both reset mileage at state lines and that count continuously across state lines

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 05, 2019, 12:24:25 PM

KYTC might as well Decommission KY 841 beyond the I-65/265 junction now. It is an unnecessary redundancy now, with the route north/east of I-71 now officially I-265

I have often wondered why KY 841 b/w US 31W/60 and I-65 isn't already I-265.  Was built in the same era, to the same standards, and leads to a road that eventually leads to a military base.  If I-635 in Dallas can have its arbitrary northern end at an airport and carry an even numbered prefix, then so should I-265.

Quote from: wriddle082 on June 05, 2019, 01:17:23 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 05, 2019, 12:24:25 PM

KYTC might as well Decommission KY 841 beyond the I-65/265 junction now. It is an unnecessary redundancy now, with the route north/east of I-71 now officially I-265

I have often wondered why KY 841 b/w US 31W/60 and I-65 isn't already I-265.  Was built in the same era, to the same standards, and leads to a road that eventually leads to a military base.  If I-635 in Dallas can have its arbitrary northern end at an airport and carry an even numbered prefix, then so should I-265.

Agreed, especially since the exit numbers start at US 31W/60 and don't reset when the freeway crosses I-65.

Quote from: hbelkins on June 06, 2019, 12:36:32 PM

Quote from: wriddle082 on June 05, 2019, 01:17:23 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 05, 2019, 12:24:25 PM

KYTC might as well Decommission KY 841 beyond the I-65/265 junction now. It is an unnecessary redundancy now, with the route north/east of I-71 now officially I-265

I have often wondered why KY 841 b/w US 31W/60 and I-65 isn't already I-265.  Was built in the same era, to the same standards, and leads to a road that eventually leads to a military base.  If I-635 in Dallas can have its arbitrary northern end at an airport and carry an even numbered prefix, then so should I-265.

Agreed, especially since the exit numbers start at US 31W/60 and don't reset when the freeway crosses I-65.

I'll even say this:

When I-276's eastern end was the unnumbered New Jersey Turnpike extension (before this became part of I-95 officially last year), that already showed that the "even first digit" rules for 3di were never that strict to begin with.  Since then, the 635 extension and the extension of I-495 from the Clearview Expressway east to Riverhead, NY have added to this (notwithstanding a situation where a connection wasn't finished, i.e. I-280 in San Francisco's Mission Bay neighborhood).

They are signing the mileposts with the I-265 shields from the I-65 exit eastward. They are at the 9 mm before they go back to the IN-265 shields.

The annual 2.5% toll increase on the I-65 and I-265 bridges takes effect July 1.

For passenger vehicles:  If you have a prepaid account and transponder, the toll will go from $2.05 to $2.10. If you have a prepaid account and no transponder, it will be $3.16. And finally, if you prefer to use your license plate and pay by mail, each crossing is $4.20.

Rates for larger vehicles range up to a maximum of $12.61.

More: https://www.wave3.com/2019/06/12/riverlink-toll-rates-increase-july/

The toll is the same Downtown as on I-265? Thats...interesting

I would give at least a small discount to encourage use of the Bypass (or, to put it another way, charge a surcharge on the Downtown route) - especially at Rush Hour times...

Maybe the math doesn't work, if tolls are structured in that manner

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 14, 2019, 09:55:53 AM
The annual 2.5% toll increase on the I-65 and I-265 bridges takes effect July 1.

For passenger vehicles:  If you have a prepaid account and transponder, the toll will go from $2.05 to $2.10. If you have a prepaid account and no transponder, it will be $3.16. And finally, if you prefer to use your license plate and pay by mail, each crossing is $4.20.

Rates for larger vehicles range up to a maximum of $12.61.

More: https://www.wave3.com/2019/06/12/riverlink-toll-rates-increase-july/

the media keeps reporting this every year as if it was unexpected. i'm glad you cleared this up. i didn't know this was an annual thing.

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 14, 2019, 12:13:23 PM
The toll is the same Downtown as on I-265? Thats...interesting

I would give at least a small discount to encourage use of the Bypass (or, to put it another way, charge a surcharge on the Downtown route) - especially at Rush Hour times...

Maybe the math doesn't work, if tolls are structured in that manner

The whole thing was one project, so the reasoning was, one price structure for both crossings.  Although I must admit, I like your idea of the discount to encourage use of 265. It's a nice drive, and traffic isn't bad at all. Plus, if you're going from Indiana to I-71, with the new higher speed limit on 265, it actually is a little bit quicker to go around than straight through on 64. 

Quote from: silverback1065 on June 14, 2019, 12:25:00 PM

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 14, 2019, 09:55:53 AM
The annual 2.5% toll increase on the I-65 and I-265 bridges takes effect July 1.

For passenger vehicles:  If you have a prepaid account and transponder, the toll will go from $2.05 to $2.10. If you have a prepaid account and no transponder, it will be $3.16. And finally, if you prefer to use your license plate and pay by mail, each crossing is $4.20.
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Rates for larger vehicles range up to a maximum of $12.61.

More: https://www.wave3.com/2019/06/12/riverlink-toll-rates-increase-july/

the media keeps reporting this every year as if it was unexpected. i'm glad you cleared this up. i didn't know this was an annual thing.

I get a notice in June each year warning me of the change, since I have an account and transponders. We don't go to Louisville all that often, but enough that it made a difference to save some money and hassle.

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 14, 2019, 12:13:23 PM
The toll is the same Downtown as on I-265? Thats...interesting

I would give at least a small discount to encourage use of the Bypass (or, to put it another way, charge a surcharge on the Downtown route) - especially at Rush Hour times...

Maybe the math doesn't work, if tolls are structured in that manner

Maybe it will have the opposite effect.  If the toll on I-65 is too high, more people will be encouraged to take US 31 for free.

Quote from: mrsman on July 12, 2019, 02:41:07 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 14, 2019, 12:13:23 PM
The toll is the same Downtown as on I-265? Thats...interesting

I would give at least a small discount to encourage use of the Bypass (or, to put it another way, charge a surcharge on the Downtown route) - especially at Rush Hour times...

Maybe the math doesn't work, if tolls are structured in that manner

Maybe it will have the opposite effect.  If the toll on I-65 is too high, more people will be encouraged to take US 31 for free.

Thats why Tolling studies are done! The expected result does not always match studied results

^^^

It's not worth it to me to have to battle the traffic lights in downtown Louisville to use the US 31 bridge, or go out of the way to use I-64 and then back to I-265.

Quote from: mrsman on July 12, 2019, 02:41:07 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 14, 2019, 12:13:23 PM
The toll is the same Downtown as on I-265? Thats...interesting

I would give at least a small discount to encourage use of the Bypass (or, to put it another way, charge a surcharge on the Downtown route) - especially at Rush Hour times...

Maybe the math doesn't work, if tolls are structured in that manner

Maybe it will have the opposite effect.  If the toll on I-65 is too high, more people will be encouraged to take US 31 for free.

According to this year's annual report, AADT on the Clark Bridge (US 31) has increased by 75% from 2013 to 2018, and on the Sherman Minton (I-64) it increased by 23% over the same period, so I'd say they don't need any further encouragement.

Any word if RiverLink will be interoperable with SunPass, since it accepts EZPass?

I'm going up that way in a few weeks, and was curious if I wouldn't have to bother opening an account with a minimum of $20 - it's not a route I take often enough to set-up, but save on getting billed double the amount.

Quote from: formulanone on July 31, 2019, 04:44:09 PM
Any word if RiverLink will be interoperable with SunPass, since it accepts EZPass?

I'm going up that way in a few weeks, and was curious if I wouldn't have to bother opening an account with a minimum of $20 - it's not a route I take often enough to set-up, but save on getting billed double the amount.

I don't believe SunPass is an option. You might give RiverLink a call, though, just to be sure.

PeachPass from Georgia doesn't work on those bridges (believe me, I know), I am 99% sure that SunPass doesn't work on them either, since PeachPass is interoperable with SunPass.  The lack of interoperability of the various toll collection systems is one of my biggest gripes in this industry.  Can't they standardize on something?  I think if they did, there might be more acceptance from the public at large for some of the various tolling proposals.

Not sure, but I do know that my West Virginia E-ZPass works fine on it, and it also worked fine on the NC 540 toll road a few years ago. If I'm not mistaken, SunPass works with the NC 540 toll system, but that doesn't mean it also works with any E-ZPass system since E-ZPass also works in NC.

Question: is RiverLink a full member of the IAG, or an affiliate?  The reason both SunPass and E-ZPass work in NC is because NC is actually an independent toll group (QuckPass) interoperable with both and not actually an E-ZPass member agency of the IAG.

Quote from: hbelkins on August 01, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
Not sure, but I do know that my West Virginia E-ZPass works fine on it, and it also worked fine on the NC 540 toll road a few years ago. If I'm not mistaken, SunPass works with the NC 540 toll system, but that doesn't mean it also works with any E-ZPass system since E-ZPass also works in NC.

NCTA accepts their own NC Quick Pass (which comes in (no cost) decal, ($7.40 + tax) EZPass form, or ($16.49 + tax) EZPass Flex form), EZPass, SunPass, and Peach Pass, which probably makes them the most flexible regarding toll system acceptance.  SC's Palmetto Pass isn't interoperable with anybody else, but they're not making any money on either one of their toll roads, so no real incentive to upgrade their systems for interoperability.  Which is why I have NC Quick Pass EZPass boxes in my vehicles.

I called up RiverLink, and the answer for SunPass interoperability was: "Not at this time."

Quote from: cabiness42 on February 27, 2018, 11:09:54 AM
I have no idea what the holdup is in getting IN 265/KY 861 designated as I-265 between I-65 and I-71. 

I am back in the area for a couple days.  Despite the fact the route has received the I-265 designation from AASHTO, it still isn't signed.  Anyone local have any idea what the holdup is?

I doubt they will ever do this, but on the Kentucky segment of Interstate 265, I think that the KY-841 designation should be truncated to end at Exit 10 (Interstate 65) and only run west of that point to Exit 1 (US 31W/60). I believe they should have done this a long time ago, since an Interstate 265/KY 841 duplex seems like overkill to me.

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 23, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
I doubt they will ever do this, but on the Kentucky segment of Interstate 265, I think that the KY-841 designation should be truncated to end at Exit 10 (Interstate 65) and only run west of that point to Exit 1 (US 31W/60). I believe they should have done this a long time ago, since an Interstate 265/KY 841 duplex seems like overkill to me.

They really should extend 265 west to Dixie Highway. It's on the NHS and is the major route to Ft. Knox.

Go to the Comments page on the KYTC website and submit the question about when 265 will be signed. They'll answer it. I know they were in a huge hurry to get 165 signed, to the point of putting temporary signs up with the designation before permanent ones could be installed.

Still wasn't signed when I went through Louisville in December.

I'm wondering if they're not going to just wait until they're done with the new "I-Move" megaproject on 71, 64 and 265.

Any word on if/when the exction between I-65 and I-71 will be signed as I-265?

Quote from: chays on July 27, 2020, 12:09:55 AM
Any word on if/when the exction between I-65 and I-71 will be signed as I-265?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27242.0

It was postulated in the Beltway Mileage Clockwise vs Counterclockwise thread, that KYTC will probably add I-265 signage for the North/West Direction at the I-71/I-265 Interchange as that interchange is scheduled to be reconstructed

I hope they not only add I-265 signage, but KYTC finally gives the Synder proper Control Cities. Now that it crosses the Ohio, it functions both as a true beltway and a suburban connector. Without the Ohio River Bridge, without Controls was fine, as it was basically a suburban connector freeway

Quote from: ilpt4u on July 27, 2020, 12:14:27 AM

Quote from: chays on July 27, 2020, 12:09:55 AM
Any word on if/when the exction between I-65 and I-71 will be signed as I-265?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27242.0

It was postulated in the Beltway Mileage Clockwise vs Counterclockwise thread, that KYTC will probably add I-265 signage for the North/West Direction at the I-71/I-265 Interchange as that interchange is scheduled to be reconstructed

I hope they not only add I-265 signage, but KYTC finally gives the Synder proper Control Cities. Now that it crosses the Ohio, it functions both as a true beltway and a suburban connector. Without the Ohio River Bridge, without Controls was fine, as it was basically a suburban connector freeway

Thank you for the update!

Anyway, why is I-265 past the interchange with I-65 still signed as SR 265? Also, by exit 11 on I/SR-265, in Utica, there's supposed to be an "interchange" where River Ridge Pkwy splits with another road that hasn't been built yet.

Quote from: someone17 on August 23, 2020, 08:49:31 AM
Anyway, why is I-265 past the interchange with I-65 still signed as SR 265? Also, by exit 11 on I/SR-265, in Utica, there's supposed to be an "interchange" where River Ridge Pkwy splits with another road that hasn't been built yet.

It's up to INDOT and KYDOT to change the signage between I-65 and I-71, no idea why they haven't done yet.

As for the River Ridge interchange, that entire area north of 265 is an old munitions depot that is being redeveloped. The parts along IN 62 got developed first and that section where that interchange is will be future development.

If anyone is so inclined, they can email KYTC.District5info@ky.gov to ask when the I-265 signage will be installed.

The new C/D ramps at I-265 and I-71 opened late last night! The I-Move project is moving ahead at a crazy speed. I hope this style design/build project happens for future projects.

Edit: I hope the signs are permanent. Northbound is still identified as KY 841 and not I-265. Hopefully as the project progresses, the signs will be corrected.

Edit edit: I hope the signs aren't permanent.

I would assume that the renumber just isn't a high priority item for either INDOT or KYTC. New signs cost money and the I-designation means less with how people tend to navigate by GPS nowadays. The renumber became official in 2019, so it's not like they're just waiting on AASHTO approval to change out signs.

Quote from: CardInLex on January 03, 2021, 08:47:00 AM
Edit: I hope the signs are permanent. Northbound is still identified as KY 841 and not I-265. Hopefully as the project progresses, the signs will be corrected.

This is the item that raises question marks. The 71/265 rebuild would be the logical time to renumber on the KY side because they're already changing out the signs.

Quote from: cl94 on January 04, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
I would assume that the renumber just isn't a high priority item for either INDOT or KYTC. New signs cost money and the I-designation means less with how people tend to navigate by GPS nowadays. The renumber became official in 2019, so it's not like they're just waiting on AASHTO approval to change out signs.

Quote from: CardInLex on January 03, 2021, 08:47:00 AM
Edit: I hope the signs are permanent. Northbound is still identified as KY 841 and not I-265. Hopefully as the project progresses, the signs will be corrected.

This is the item that raises question marks. The 71/265 rebuild would be the logical time to renumber on the KY side because they're already changing out the signs.

If anyone is truly concerned, they can email kytc.district5info@ky.gov to pose the question, and post the answer here.

How long does it take for Riverlink to send you a bill for crossing the bridge?

I finally crossed it Westbound on a foggy day the weekend before Thanksgiving and still have not gotten a bill...

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 04, 2021, 07:25:10 AM
How long does it take for Riverlink to send you a bill for crossing the bridge?

I finally crossed it Westbound on a foggy day the weekend before Thanksgiving and still have not gotten a bill...

It took me a few months before I received my first invoice, also I think they wait for you to cross twice before sending a bill in the mail (the wisdom being that if you cross once you'll eventually cross back and they want to save money on the snail mail).

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 04, 2021, 07:25:10 AM
How long does it take for Riverlink to send you a bill for crossing the bridge?

I finally crossed it Westbound on a foggy day the weekend before Thanksgiving and still have not gotten a bill...

I am not sure if you have to wait for them to send the bill, but I saw that they have a Pay By Plate option (I am not sure if it will work or not. I just saw it on their site).
https://riverlink.com/RiverLink.External/Login?ReturnUrl=%2FRiverLink.External%2FAccount%2FAccountSummary.aspx

EDIT: I guess I should read a little closer. :pan:

QuoteTo pay a toll: Use "Pay by Invoice" if you have received an invoice or "Pay by Plate" if you have not.

Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2021, 05:55:24 PM

Quote from: cl94 on January 04, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
I would assume that the renumber just isn't a high priority item for either INDOT or KYTC. New signs cost money and the I-designation means less with how people tend to navigate by GPS nowadays. The renumber became official in 2019, so it's not like they're just waiting on AASHTO approval to change out signs.

Quote from: CardInLex on January 03, 2021, 08:47:00 AM
Edit: I hope the signs are permanent. Northbound is still identified as KY 841 and not I-265. Hopefully as the project progresses, the signs will be corrected.

This is the item that raises question marks. The 71/265 rebuild would be the logical time to renumber on the KY side because they're already changing out the signs.

If anyone is truly concerned, they can email kytc.district5info@ky.gov to pose the question, and post the answer here.

I did just that and this was the response:

QuoteKYTC has communicated with FHWA regarding the change and have not heard back from them.

^^^

I was in a room just two weeks ago with practically all of FHWA's Kentucky Division staff (the assistant director is a college classmate of my boss' and she seems to like my work) and could have mentioned this if I'd known.

Quote from: I-55 on May 04, 2021, 12:01:55 PM

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 04, 2021, 07:25:10 AM
How long does it take for Riverlink to send you a bill for crossing the bridge?

I finally crossed it Westbound on a foggy day the weekend before Thanksgiving and still have not gotten a bill...

It took me a few months before I received my first invoice, also I think they wait for you to cross twice before sending a bill in the mail (the wisdom being that if you cross once you'll eventually cross back and they want to save money on the snail mail).

Many of my recent trips involves very little backtracking. You can be an out of state driver and only cross it once.

I just want to say that our system is very broken if it takes this long for this to get signed as I-265. There needs to be a better process between AASHTO, FHWA and state DOTs.

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 27, 2022, 08:27:40 AM
I just want to say that our system is very broken if it takes this long for this to get signed as I-265. There needs to be a better process between AASHTO, FHWA and state DOTs.

You may want to get NC involved in those discussions.   :-D

I'm going to find out what the holdup is through official channels. Someone remind me in a week or so to report my findings if I have failed to do so in this thread by that time.

won't they have to renumber the exits too when they rename this section 265?  :hmmm: Whole loop has 1 consistent set of numbers?

Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 27, 2022, 08:56:09 AM

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 27, 2022, 08:27:40 AM
I just want to say that our system is very broken if it takes this long for this to get signed as I-265. There needs to be a better process between AASHTO, FHWA and state DOTs.

You may want to get NC involved in those discussions.   :-D

NC is certainly not perfect, but when I-885 opened it had correct signage and exit numbers.

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2022, 07:50:19 PM
won't they have to renumber the exits too when they rename this section 265?  :hmmm: Whole loop has 1 consistent set of numbers?

There is precedent for both a single set of mileage/exits for multi-state 3DIs and mileage/exits resetting at the state line. Saint Louis alone, 270 resets at the MS River while 255 is continuous across the River

For 265, both sides count "up"  to the state line over the Ohio River near the Indiana shore

I think it would make more sense for InDOT to continue KYTC's mileage and numbering, but I don't think it is a requirement for the I-shield

Quote from: ilpt4u on October 27, 2022, 09:21:20 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2022, 07:50:19 PM
won't they have to renumber the exits too when they rename this section 265?  :hmmm: Whole loop has 1 consistent set of numbers?

There is precedent for both a single set of mileage/exits for multi-state 3DIs and mileage/exits resetting at the state line. Saint Louis alone, 270 resets at the MS River while 255 is continuous across the River

For 265, both sides count "up"  to the state line over the Ohio River near the Indiana shore

I think it would make more sense for InDOT to continue KYTC's mileage and numbering, but I don't think it is a requirement for the I-shield

INDOT should renumber all of them except for 7. Keep 7 the same.

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 27, 2022, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on October 27, 2022, 09:21:20 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2022, 07:50:19 PM
won't they have to renumber the exits too when they rename this section 265?  :hmmm: Whole loop has 1 consistent set of numbers?

There is precedent for both a single set of mileage/exits for multi-state 3DIs and mileage/exits resetting at the state line. Saint Louis alone, 270 resets at the MS River while 255 is continuous across the River

For 265, both sides count "up"  to the state line over the Ohio River near the Indiana shore

I think it would make more sense for InDOT to continue KYTC's mileage and numbering, but I don't think it is a requirement for the I-shield

INDOT should renumber all of them except for 7. Keep 7 the same.

If InDOT renumbered based on KYTC's numbering scheme for the Gene Snyder, "Exit 7"  for I-65/IN would be wildly out of place, as that should be somewhere in the 40s, I would think

Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 27, 2022, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on October 27, 2022, 09:21:20 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2022, 07:50:19 PM
won't they have to renumber the exits too when they rename this section 265?  :hmmm: Whole loop has 1 consistent set of numbers?

There is precedent for both a single set of mileage/exits for multi-state 3DIs and mileage/exits resetting at the state line. Saint Louis alone, 270 resets at the MS River while 255 is continuous across the River

For 265, both sides count "up"  to the state line over the Ohio River near the Indiana shore

I think it would make more sense for InDOT to continue KYTC's mileage and numbering, but I don't think it is a requirement for the I-shield

INDOT should renumber all of them except for 7. Keep 7 the same.

is 7 your favorite exit?  :-D

OK, I got an answer.

QuoteThe Kentucky Transportation Cabinet submitted a request to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) in May 2022 for KY 841 to be designated as Interstate 265. The corridor meets interstate design standards. The request is still under consideration and KYTC and INDOT are coordinating to ensure consistent signage between the states.

But there's more to the story:

QuoteThere are a couple of obstacles that must be overcome. In Indiana, the mileposts run in the wrong direction to join up with I-265 in Kentucky. Additionally, FHWA has included a requirement for Kentucky to commit to renumbering I-265 in order to have I-265 start at I-65 with a 0.0 milepost. KYTC is considering this request comparing the cost to resign and the economic impact of those along the corridor (recognizing advertising costs relating to changing exit numbers). KYTC is coordinating with Indiana and FHWA on the request and FHWA's requests. Indiana has a project in the works to rework its signage.

So basically, Indiana will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at the state line and running west to I-64. And Kentucky will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at I-65. (Currently, mileposting and exit numbers start at the west end of KY 841 at US 31W/US 60.)

I think it would make sense to number the KY 841 standalone section between US 31W/60 and I-65 as I-265 since Dixie Highway is on the NHS.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2022, 02:31:17 PM
OK, I got an answer.

QuoteThe Kentucky Transportation Cabinet submitted a request to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) in May 2022 for KY 841 to be designated as Interstate 265. The corridor meets interstate design standards. The request is still under consideration and KYTC and INDOT are coordinating to ensure consistent signage between the states.

But there's more to the story:

QuoteThere are a couple of obstacles that must be overcome. In Indiana, the mileposts run in the wrong direction to join up with I-265 in Kentucky. Additionally, FHWA has included a requirement for Kentucky to commit to renumbering I-265 in order to have I-265 start at I-65 with a 0.0 milepost. KYTC is considering this request comparing the cost to resign and the economic impact of those along the corridor (recognizing advertising costs relating to changing exit numbers). KYTC is coordinating with Indiana and FHWA on the request and FHWA's requests. Indiana has a project in the works to rework its signage.

So basically, Indiana will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at the state line and running west to I-64. And Kentucky will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at I-65. (Currently, mileposting and exit numbers start at the west end of KY 841 at US 31W/US 60.)

I think it would make sense to number the KY 841 standalone section between US 31W/60 and I-65 as I-265 since Dixie Highway is on the NHS.

KY is just one letter from NY.  Who knew the states were so similar?  NY's been "considering the request" of mileage-based exit numbers for decades now.

In terms of stalling, KY has now adopted the methods of NY... :D

Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2022, 02:31:17 PM

QuoteThere are a couple of obstacles that must be overcome. In Indiana, the mileposts run in the wrong direction to join up with I-265 in Kentucky. Additionally, FHWA has included a requirement for Kentucky to commit to renumbering I-265 in order to have I-265 start at I-65 with a 0.0 milepost. KYTC is considering this request comparing the cost to resign and the economic impact of those along the corridor (recognizing advertising costs relating to changing exit numbers). KYTC is coordinating with Indiana and FHWA on the request and FHWA's requests. Indiana has a project in the works to rework its signage.

So basically, Indiana will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at the state line and running west to I-64. And Kentucky will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at I-65. (Currently, mileposting and exit numbers start at the west end of KY 841 at US 31W/US 60.)

I think it would make sense to number the KY 841 standalone section between US 31W/60 and I-65 as I-265 since Dixie Highway is on the NHS.

It would make sense to designate the Snyder from I-65 to Dixie Hwy as I-265 for two reasons:

1) It saves KY the cost of renumbering, re-signing.

2) If you renumber starting at I-65, you end up with duplicate mileages from 0-10

Quote from: Rothman on October 28, 2022, 02:48:52 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2022, 02:31:17 PM
OK, I got an answer.

QuoteThe Kentucky Transportation Cabinet submitted a request to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) in May 2022 for KY 841 to be designated as Interstate 265. The corridor meets interstate design standards. The request is still under consideration and KYTC and INDOT are coordinating to ensure consistent signage between the states.

But there's more to the story:

QuoteThere are a couple of obstacles that must be overcome. In Indiana, the mileposts run in the wrong direction to join up with I-265 in Kentucky. Additionally, FHWA has included a requirement for Kentucky to commit to renumbering I-265 in order to have I-265 start at I-65 with a 0.0 milepost. KYTC is considering this request comparing the cost to resign and the economic impact of those along the corridor (recognizing advertising costs relating to changing exit numbers). KYTC is coordinating with Indiana and FHWA on the request and FHWA's requests. Indiana has a project in the works to rework its signage.

So basically, Indiana will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at the state line and running west to I-64. And Kentucky will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at I-65. (Currently, mileposting and exit numbers start at the west end of KY 841 at US 31W/US 60.)

I think it would make sense to number the KY 841 standalone section between US 31W/60 and I-65 as I-265 since Dixie Highway is on the NHS.

KY is just one letter from NY.  Who knew the states were so similar?  NY's been "considering the request" of mileage-based exit numbers for decades now.

In terms of stalling, KY has now adopted the methods of NY... :D

I wouldn't go that far. The request to FHWA is only about five months old, and the request back from FHWA to KYTC is probably younger than that.

I may be getting access to around two dozen pages of notes, correspondence, etc. regarding this matter. That might make for a good insomnia cure.

I would assume Indiana, if having to renumber exits, would simply continue KY's I-265 mileage and exit numbers for a continuous 3/4 beltway...

But if that is InDOT's plan, then they need to wait on KYTC to see if Kentucky resets I-265's "zero"  point to I-65, or perhaps applies for an I-265 designation extension to Dixie Highway, to see if then FHWA would be OK with that interchange being the "zero"  point.

But if that is the reported road block(s) from FHWA to posting a continuous I-265, I really feel like their major "problem"  is KY and IN mileage both counting "up"  to the Ohio River Bridge and they really want that resolved

Hope the FHWA is putting Oklahoma through the same level of scrutiny with the I-240 beltway request.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2022, 03:58:42 PM

Quote from: Rothman on October 28, 2022, 02:48:52 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2022, 02:31:17 PM
OK, I got an answer.

QuoteThe Kentucky Transportation Cabinet submitted a request to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) in May 2022 for KY 841 to be designated as Interstate 265. The corridor meets interstate design standards. The request is still under consideration and KYTC and INDOT are coordinating to ensure consistent signage between the states.

But there's more to the story:

QuoteThere are a couple of obstacles that must be overcome. In Indiana, the mileposts run in the wrong direction to join up with I-265 in Kentucky. Additionally, FHWA has included a requirement for Kentucky to commit to renumbering I-265 in order to have I-265 start at I-65 with a 0.0 milepost. KYTC is considering this request comparing the cost to resign and the economic impact of those along the corridor (recognizing advertising costs relating to changing exit numbers). KYTC is coordinating with Indiana and FHWA on the request and FHWA's requests. Indiana has a project in the works to rework its signage.

So basically, Indiana will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at the state line and running west to I-64. And Kentucky will have to renumber its mileposts and exits starting at I-65. (Currently, mileposting and exit numbers start at the west end of KY 841 at US 31W/US 60.)

I think it would make sense to number the KY 841 standalone section between US 31W/60 and I-65 as I-265 since Dixie Highway is on the NHS.

KY is just one letter from NY.  Who knew the states were so similar?  NY's been "considering the request" of mileage-based exit numbers for decades now.

In terms of stalling, KY has now adopted the methods of NY... :D

I wouldn't go that far. The request to FHWA is only about five months old, and the request back from FHWA to KYTC is probably younger than that.

I may be getting access to around two dozen pages of notes, correspondence, etc. regarding this matter. That might make for a good insomnia cure.

Oh, come on.  Let's just call a duck a duck.  I'm sure KY won't stall decades like NY since you're new to this game.  Still, the fact KY is trying to be like NY is just so gosh-darned cute.

I'm just surprised that Indiana and Kentucky didn't work out the exit numbering when they decided to join the two I-265s back in the 1990s.
Kentucky & Ohio didn't have the same issue with exit numbering for I-275 & I-471.

I-295 in PA and NJ both count mileage/exits "up"  to their meeting over the Delaware River, and that segment was a somewhat recent designation after the 95 Final Routing was finally applied

The whole thing with 265 just seems odd

I-265 is such a unique case. It doesn't go a full circle and its designation ends west of I-65 in the southwestern quadrant in Kentucky. With that, I wouldn't use the Ohio River as a point of reference, so let's take it out.

The northwestern terminus isn't even the parent route (I-64). So what they should to is start from 0 at I-65 in Kentucky, and count up counterclockwise to I-64. Keeps it universal and consistent.

is the portion west of 65 in ky getting a shield? maybe i-965?  :hmmm:

FHWA needs to approve I-265 from US 31W/60 (a NHS route that serves a military base) to I-65.  Then KYTC needs to eliminate the KY 841 designation altogether.  Then they can just leave the exit numbering alone, and INDOT can start renumbering at the Ohio River Bridge going counter-clockwise.

It doesn't matter that the 0 milepost for I-265 won't be at I-65.  I-635 in the Dallas area has its northwestern end at TX 121, so there's precedence for an even-first-digit 3di not having both endpoints at an interstate.  Same with I-264 in Virginia Beach.  To me it doesn't matter.  If they're going to have odd-first-digit 3di interstates have both endpoints at interstates these days (which I'm against), then in my eyes the rules don't seem to matter anyway.

I don't know if the plan is for Indiana to continue Kentucky's mileage and exit numbers, or reset at the state line.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 29, 2022, 03:01:13 PM
I don't know if the plan is for Indiana to continue Kentucky's mileage and exit numbers, or reset at the state line.

Is anything going to happen to the portion west of 65 in ky?

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 29, 2022, 10:02:39 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 29, 2022, 03:01:13 PM
I don't know if the plan is for Indiana to continue Kentucky's mileage and exit numbers, or reset at the state line.

Is anything going to happen to the portion west of 65 in ky?

Current proposals would leave it KY 841.

https://www.in.gov/indot/about-indot/central-office/welcome-to-the-seymour-district/i-265-resigning/

INDOT, in coordination with KYTC, will be resigning KY 841 and IN 265 to I-265 with new exit numbers on the Indiana section of I-265.

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/IN-265-Map-Graphic.pdf

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/IN-265-Info-Graphic-1.pdf

Construction of new signage is expected to begin as early as Fall 2023 and will be completed on or before Summer 2025.

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 01, 2023, 04:04:50 PM
https://www.in.gov/indot/about-indot/central-office/welcome-to-the-seymour-district/i-265-resigning/

INDOT, in coordination with KYTC, will be resigning KY 841 and IN 265 to I-265 with new exit numbers on the Indiana section of I-265.

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/IN-265-Map-Graphic.pdf

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/IN-265-Info-Graphic-1.pdf

Construction of new signage is expected to begin as early as Fall 2023 and will be completed on or before Summer 2025.

It's going to take almost 2 years to put new signs up?

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 01, 2023, 04:04:50 PM
https://www.in.gov/indot/about-indot/central-office/welcome-to-the-seymour-district/i-265-resigning/

INDOT, in coordination with KYTC, will be resigning KY 841 and IN 265 to I-265 with new exit numbers on the Indiana section of I-265.

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/IN-265-Map-Graphic.pdf

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/IN-265-Info-Graphic-1.pdf

Construction of new signage is expected to begin as early as Fall 2023 and will be completed on or before Summer 2025.

That's good to hear, although it seems like a long time to get it implemented.

Here is a map of the new exit numbers:

(https://i.imgur.com/5Dgl1F1.png)

The Interstate 265 Wikipedia page has been updated to reflect the new exit numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_265. One question remains: will KY 841 remain co-signed with Interstate 265 between present-day exit 10/future exit 0 and the Lewis And Clark Bridge? I say it is high-time the KY 841 designation was truncated to only run from US 31W eastward to Interstate 65.

I suspect the new numbering won't be complete until the I-Moves project (and all of its new signage) is done.

It would be cool if INDOT added "Bypass" -like Long Distance Controls also at this time. Indy and Cincy for 265EB from I-64. STL for 265WB from i-65. Cincy and Lexington for 265EB from I-65. We'll see, I guess

(https://morbotron.com/video/S03E09/KFm6q3aywIaXZSW-HoUpDAhN5Rg=.gif)

I'm annoyed this wasn't done as soon as the new bridge was completed.

So it looks like Kentucky is going to have to renumber all of the Gene Snyder Freeway exits from I-65 around to I-71. There's been no announcement here about it.

In all honesty, they should extend the I-265 designation west from I-65 to Dixie Highway.

Quote from: hbelkins on March 02, 2023, 08:59:21 PM
So it looks like Kentucky is going to have to renumber all of the Gene Snyder Freeway exits from I-65 around to I-71. There's been no announcement here about it.

In all honesty, they should extend the I-265 designation west from I-65 to Dixie Highway.

Yeah I agree.  Dixie Highway is probably on the NHS even if it isn't an interstate, and it's perfectly acceptable for an interstate to end at a highway that is, at the bare minimum, on the NHS.  And 841 west of 65 is perfectly indistinguishable from the rest of 265.  And make either Radcliff or Fort Knox the control city, mainly because West Point and Muldraugh each have >1000 population.

Quote from: wriddle082 on March 02, 2023, 09:45:19 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on March 02, 2023, 08:59:21 PM
So it looks like Kentucky is going to have to renumber all of the Gene Snyder Freeway exits from I-65 around to I-71. There's been no announcement here about it.

In all honesty, they should extend the I-265 designation west from I-65 to Dixie Highway.

Yeah I agree.  Dixie Highway is probably on the NHS even if it isn't an interstate, and it's perfectly acceptable for an interstate to end at a highway that is, at the bare minimum, on the NHS.  And 841 west of 65 is perfectly indistinguishable from the rest of 265.  And make either Radcliff or Fort Knox the control city, mainly because West Point and Muldraugh each have >1000 population.

I think Fort Knox and Shively are the options at the end of the Snyder.

Quote from: ilpt4u on March 01, 2023, 11:21:54 PM
It would be cool if INDOT added "Bypass" -like Long Distance Controls also at this time. Indy and Cincy for 265EB from I-64. STL for 265WB from i-65. Cincy and Lexington for 265EB from I-65. We'll see, I guess

That's no longer current practice. Some time in the last decade, FHWA declared that circumferential routes just shouldn't have control cities at all.

Quote from: vtk on March 05, 2023, 03:28:21 AM

Quote from: ilpt4u on March 01, 2023, 11:21:54 PM
It would be cool if INDOT added "Bypass" -like Long Distance Controls also at this time. Indy and Cincy for 265EB from I-64. STL for 265WB from i-65. Cincy and Lexington for 265EB from I-65. We'll see, I guess

That's no longer current practice. Some time in the last decade, FHWA declared that circumferential routes just shouldn't have control cities at all.

Where did FHWA do this?

Unfortunately I can't remember where this policy is stated. I think I've only come across it twice in 20 years.

I have seen on GSV that the control cities for I-270 around Columbus have disappeared.  No more references to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Wheeling, and Dayton/Indianapolis.  The I-270 signs were changed to the current ones with no control cities around 2016, according to what I have seen on GSV.

So, I do not expect control cities placed on signs for I-265 around Louisville–although it would be somewhat helpful if traffic conditions warrant a detour.  Perhaps some auxiliary signage before the I-265 interchanges on SB I-71 (Indianapolis/Nashville), NB I-65 (Lexington/Cincinnati), and EB I-64 (Indianapolis/Cincinnati)?

Quote from: amroad17 on March 06, 2023, 12:18:38 PM
I have seen on GSV that the control cities for I-270 around Columbus have disappeared.  No more references to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Wheeling, and Dayton/Indianapolis.  The I-270 signs were changed to the current ones with no control cities around 2016, according to what I have seen on GSV.

Cincy (I-275), & Indy (I-465), don't show control cities either and they've been without before ODOT cleaned off I-270 around Columbus .

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 07, 2023, 11:26:53 AM

Quote from: amroad17 on March 06, 2023, 12:18:38 PM
I have seen on GSV that the control cities for I-270 around Columbus have disappeared.  No more references to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Wheeling, and Dayton/Indianapolis.  The I-270 signs were changed to the current ones with no control cities around 2016, according to what I have seen on GSV.

Cincy (I-275), & Indy (I-465), don't show control cities either and they've been without before ODOT cleaned off I-270 around Columbus .

But at the same time, the Atlanta (I-285) and Charlotte (I-485) full beltways do have control cities.  In the case of Atlanta, the control cities would be the same as the control cities for the next two interstates that you intersect.  In the case of Charlotte, the control cities are local suburbs that are actually along the beltway or close by.

^ And interestingly, Charlotte used to list long distance controls such as Greensboro, Spartanburg, Columbia, etc. but was replaced with local controls in recent years.

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 07, 2023, 11:26:53 AM

Quote from: amroad17 on March 06, 2023, 12:18:38 PM
I have seen on GSV that the control cities for I-270 around Columbus have disappeared.  No more references to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Wheeling, and Dayton/Indianapolis.  The I-270 signs were changed to the current ones with no control cities around 2016, according to what I have seen on GSV.

Cincy (I-275), & Indy (I-465), don't show control cities either and they've been without before ODOT cleaned off I-270 around Columbus .

465 has never had control cities. the only exception is the 74 overlap and those cities are tied to 74 not 465. i expect the same thing to happen when 69 overlaps 465 in the coming years.

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 07, 2023, 11:26:53 AM

Quote from: amroad17 on March 06, 2023, 12:18:38 PM
I have seen on GSV that the control cities for I-270 around Columbus have disappeared.  No more references to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Wheeling, and Dayton/Indianapolis.  The I-270 signs were changed to the current ones with no control cities around 2016, according to what I have seen on GSV.

Cincy (I-275), & Indy (I-465), don't show control cities either and they've been without before ODOT cleaned off I-270 around Columbus .

Some portions of I-275 still have controls attached to them, at least between the I-74 western split and I-71 on the northern side. Indianapolis (via I-74), Columbus (via I-71), Dayton (via I-75), and Kentucky (at the western I-74 split) are currently assigned to I-275; some signs even mention the next interstate junction. As Silverback mentioned, controls were finally assigned to I-465 only because of the I-74 attachment on the south side of Indy, and that will likely be subject to change even further when I-69 is assigned.

With I-265 getting signed along the stretch between I-65 and I-71 on the north, I wish they would do the GDOT technique of assigning long range controls based on the next interstate junctions. Even if they don't, I hope they at least reassign the controls at the junction with I-65 on the Indiana side, as well as the Port. I'm still baffled as to why they have Jeffersonville as the IN-265 east control when downtown is along I-65, as well as Louisville by the Ohio River when, once again, I-65 is the quicker route (though to be fair, this was probably done to get Port traffic AWAY from I-65). Replace New Albany with St. Louis for I-265 west to keep it consistent.

As mentioned above, we won't know much until they do a full sign replacement along the rebuilt section of I-265 between I-71 and I-64 in Kentucky.

Once upon a time, there was a small, KYTC-installed sign on northbound I-65 approaching I-265 noting that 265 should be used for Lexington and Cincinnati traffic. I think that sign is gone now.

Quote from: hbelkins on March 07, 2023, 11:57:26 PM
Once upon a time, there was a small, KYTC-installed sign on northbound I-65 approaching I-265 noting that 265 should be used for Lexington and Cincinnati traffic. I think that sign is gone now.

I think I remember that. It was a smaller-than-needed sign that simply said, "LEXINGTON/CINCINNATI NEXT RIGHT."  Am I close?

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on March 15, 2023, 11:11:09 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on March 07, 2023, 11:57:26 PM
Once upon a time, there was a small, KYTC-installed sign on northbound I-65 approaching I-265 noting that 265 should be used for Lexington and Cincinnati traffic. I think that sign is gone now.

I think I remember that. It was a smaller-than-needed sign that simply said, "LEXINGTON/CINCINNATI NEXT RIGHT."  Am I close?

Indeed you are. It was a sign typical of a two-lane route, not a BGS.

I think I found a very grainy image on Google Streetview (dated Oct 2007) of what you guys are talking about: https://goo.gl/maps/7Ecy6D232kVQVpnv8

Quote from: mvak36 on March 16, 2023, 09:50:58 PM
I think I found a very grainy image on Google Streetview (dated Oct 2007) of what you guys are talking about: https://goo.gl/maps/7Ecy6D232kVQVpnv8

Looks like it. I don't recall the actual interstate shields being included with it, but the spot where it was located checks out.

They should definitely have a large format sign there to ward east-northeast traffic away from Downtown Louisville, stating something along the lines like this (use your imagination where the interstate shields would go):

Cincinnati VIA I-71
Lexington VIA I-64
USE I-265 EAST
Exit 125A

Straightforward, to the point.

Found the signage plans from INDOT... Contract number R-44100

Yep, and if you're looking for long distance control cities along I-265 in Indiana, you're not going to find it.  Eastbound I-265 at its interchange with I-65 will have Louisville as the control city for both I-265 and I-65 south. And coming along I-65 the control cities for I-265 are the same as they are now.

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on March 19, 2023, 11:15:15 AM

Quote from: mvak36 on March 16, 2023, 09:50:58 PM
I think I found a very grainy image on Google Streetview (dated Oct 2007) of what you guys are talking about: https://goo.gl/maps/7Ecy6D232kVQVpnv8

Looks like it. I don't recall the actual interstate shields being included with it, but the spot where it was located checks out.

They should definitely have a large format sign there to ward east-northeast traffic away from Downtown Louisville, stating something along the lines like this (use your imagination where the interstate shields would go):

Cincinnati VIA I-71
Lexington VIA I-64
USE I-265 EAST
Exit 125A

Straightforward, to the point.

^ Agreed.  As I mentioned above, maybe some auxiliary signage on I-71 SB (Indianapolis/Nashville), I-65 NB (the previously mentioned Lexington/Cincinnati), and I-64 WB (Indianapolis/Nashville) could be erected.

There also used to be a small mileage sign within the Exit 12 (KY 61) interchange on EB I-265 listing the distance to I-64 (14 miles) and I-71 (23 miles).  That too is gone now.  It was there as late as Oct 2014 but gone by Sept 2015.  It looked as if the sign was hit by a car or the mowers as the inside post was still standing as of the 2015 image.

Quote from: tdindy88 on March 19, 2023, 07:52:47 PM
Yep, and if you're looking for long distance control cities along I-265 in Indiana, you're not going to find it.  Eastbound I-265 at its interchange with I-65 will have Louisville as the control city for both I-265 and I-65 south. And coming along I-65 the control cities for I-265 are the same as they are now.

Just drove thru Louisville earlier today, and the lower deck of the 64 bridge (Sherman-Minton) aka EB/Inbound deck was closed, so most traffic was diverted to 265 EB tho one could continue to the New Albany exit on 64.

Nowhere along I-265 in Indiana did it even attempt to try to get Cincy/I-71 or Lexington/I-64 Long Distance traffic to stay on 265 across the East End Bridge. The only signage were a few very poorly signed "Alt I-64 East"  shields with no orange/Detour coloring as the ALT banner was white that directs 64 traffic onto I-65 SB into Downtown Louisville

The VMS between 64 and 65 for EB 265 was basically worthless, giving travel times and distances to the I-65 Bridge and to the "SR265"  Bridge, both 7 or 8 miles and 8 minutes, I think

Would it really be that hard to program a 2nd VMS message of "Local 64/71 Traffic use 65 SB. Thru 64/71 Traffic stay on 265 EB"  or something similar? Almost all traffic when I drove it around 2:30 pm was following the signed "ALT"  path onto I-65 SB, enough it made a long, slow line on 265

Does INDOT just not care about the traffic that is departing the state to the South and/or East?

EB 64 is supposed to reopen either tonight or in the morning as the 64 Bridge project continues

Quote from: ilpt4u on May 22, 2023, 12:26:45 AM

Quote from: tdindy88 on March 19, 2023, 07:52:47 PM
Yep, and if you're looking for long distance control cities along I-265 in Indiana, you're not going to find it.  Eastbound I-265 at its interchange with I-65 will have Louisville as the control city for both I-265 and I-65 south. And coming along I-65 the control cities for I-265 are the same as they are now.

Just drove thru Louisville earlier today, and the lower deck of the 64 bridge (Sherman-Minton) aka EB/Inbound deck was closed, so most traffic was diverted to 265 EB tho one could continue to the New Albany exit on 64.

Nowhere along I-265 in Indiana did it even attempt to try to get Cincy/I-71 or Lexington/I-64 Long Distance traffic to stay on 265 across the East End Bridge. The only signage were a few very poorly signed "Alt I-64 East"  shields with no orange/Detour coloring as the ALT banner was white that directs 64 traffic onto I-65 SB into Downtown Louisville

The VMS between 64 and 65 for EB 265 was basically worthless, giving travel times and distances to the I-65 Bridge and to the "SR265"  Bridge, both 7 or 8 miles and 8 minutes, I think

Would it really be that hard to program a 2nd VMS message of "Local 64/71 Traffic use 65 SB. Thru 64/71 Traffic stay on 265 EB"  or something similar? Almost all traffic when I drove it around 2:30 pm was following the signed "ALT"  path onto I-65 SB, enough it made a long, slow line on 265

Does INDOT just not care about the traffic that is departing the state to the South and/or East?

EB 64 is supposed to reopen either tonight or in the morning as the 64 Bridge project continues

INDOT is absolutely awful when it comes to posting detour signs. A part of me thinks they have just given up caring since people use GPS and don't seem to read signs. Another part of me thinks it is incompetence or a lack of caring.

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on March 19, 2023, 11:15:15 AM

Quote from: mvak36 on March 16, 2023, 09:50:58 PM
I think I found a very grainy image on Google Streetview (dated Oct 2007) of what you guys are talking about: https://goo.gl/maps/7Ecy6D232kVQVpnv8

Looks like it. I don't recall the actual interstate shields being included with it, but the spot where it was located checks out.

They should definitely have a large format sign there to ward east-northeast traffic away from Downtown Louisville, stating something along the lines like this (use your imagination where the interstate shields would go):

Cincinnati VIA I-71
Lexington VIA I-64
USE I-265 EAST
Exit 125A

Straightforward, to the point.

Looks like it was taken out by a vehicle according to the Street View from 2013. I guess it has not gotten replaced.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.1031204,-85.7008879,3a,75y,94.14h,68.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siZ3EGV5BCrAKmeENAqKfFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu