Well the man is not even in Office a year and has a highway already named after him. Go figure.
Scranton has renamed a street after him
He was a senator for 36 years. That's enough to get something named after you even if he hadn't become president.
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
He was a senator for 36 years. That's enough to get something named after you even if he hadn't become president.
That would make more sense if the highway was in the state where he was a senator.
Here is a link about it. (https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/lackawanna-county/biden-expressway-sign-work-slows-i-81-traffic/523-3cf4f5b2-6a9b-477a-b7d1-9e8431cdc23e).
Lame
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2021, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
He was a senator for 36 years. That's enough to get something named after you even if he hadn't become president.
That would make more sense if the highway was in the state where he was a senator.
Well, he was born in Scranton. That probably has something to do with it.
Aka "You know, the road thing". Would've rather they named it after Dwight Schrute. He's done more in 49 years.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 29, 2021, 05:38:56 PM
Here is a link about it. (https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/lackawanna-county/biden-expressway-sign-work-slows-i-81-traffic/523-3cf4f5b2-6a9b-477a-b7d1-9e8431cdc23e).
As soon as I saw the thread title I figured the CSE (CSX? :) :rolleyes:) was the one getting the honor.* The WNEP link confirms it.
*Is Rep. McDade's name still on the North Scranton Expy., or was his name removed?
Two comments before the inevitable lock:
1.) I've seen photos that show the greenout done in FHWA, leaving only the bottom line in Clearview. I'm shocked -- shocked -- that Pennsylvania has abandoned Clearview.
2.) Several have commented that regardless of the politician being feted -- meaning not specific to Biden -- they don't approve of things being named after people who are still alive. I disagree. I think it should be done while people are still around to appreciate the honor.
On the bright side it wasn't numbered I-999 or that's something.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 29, 2021, 07:08:33 PM
2.) Several have commented that regardless of the politician being feted -- meaning not specific to Biden -- they don't approve of things being named after people who are still alive. I disagree. I think it should be done while people are still around to appreciate the honor.
As someone who is one of those people who doesn't approve of naming things after living people, my way of thinking is that it promotes a swelled head in the person in question, which isn't good. At least wait until they're retired and done with whatever they're doing, and then it can be an award to enjoy in old age.
And to think there's loads of us who wanted a number for the Central Scranton Expressway, but instead it got another name.
I didn't recall seeing any businesses along the route, unless it also includes some non-expressway portion.
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are
still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Well said. That's basically exactly what I was thinking as well. Why not at least wait until he's out of office? I don't see a sudden great need to go replacing the signs and everything while he's actively president. And then there's also the question of what happens when he
isn't president anymore. Is it still the
President Biden Expressway? That would be kind of like having the President Eisenhower Interstate System. It just seems really weird.
Quote from: webny99 on September 29, 2021, 08:54:43 PMAnd then there's also the question of what happens when he isn't president anymore. Is it still the President Biden Expressway? That would be kind of like having the President Eisenhower Interstate System. It just seems really weird.
There's already a President George Bush Turnpike.
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 29, 2021, 08:54:43 PMAnd then there's also the question of what happens when he isn't president anymore. Is it still the President Biden Expressway? That would be kind of like having the President Eisenhower Interstate System. It just seems really weird.
There's already a President George Bush Turnpike.
In addition to that, there is an Oklahoma Senate Bill (624) that passed in May that gives names to several highways in the state, effective in about a month. In the bill, State Highway 287 in the panhandle between Boise City and Texas will be named President Donald J. Trump Highway.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 29, 2021, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 29, 2021, 08:54:43 PMAnd then there's also the question of what happens when he isn't president anymore. Is it still the President Biden Expressway? That would be kind of like having the President Eisenhower Interstate System. It just seems really weird.
There's already a President George Bush Turnpike.
In addition to that, there is an Oklahoma Senate Bill (624) that passed in May that gives names to several highways in the state, effective in about a month. In the bill, State Highway 287 in the panhandle between Boise City and Texas will be named President Donald J. Trump Highway.
Trump has no ties to Oklahoma...
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 29, 2021, 09:19:57 PM...State Highway 287 in the panhandle between Boise City and Texas...
State Highway 287? Is this a simple legislative error, or is that how the State of Oklahoma refers to US Routes?
Besides, some of the other names and routes to be dedicated are referred to as "U.S. Route ##" in the Bill.
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 29, 2021, 09:19:57 PM...State Highway 287 in the panhandle between Boise City and Texas...
State Highway 287? Is this a simple legislative error, or is that how the State of Oklahoma refers to US Routes?
That is the name of the highway as printed in the bill. It must be a legislative error, because they correctly refer to US Routes 64 & 77 as a US Highways in the same bill.
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2021-22%20ENR/SB/SB624%20ENR.PDF (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2021-22%20ENR/SB/SB624%20ENR.PDF)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
Then name it after himself. Don't put the title yet until he established himself in that role. Call it Joseph Biden Expressway in the meantime to tribute his accomplishments.
Like someone already said what happens when scandal breaks out later as he is in his first year still. The shit usually hits the fan later in office
Quote from: webny99 on September 29, 2021, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Well said. That's basically exactly what I was thinking as well. Why not at least wait until he's out of office? I don't see a sudden great need to go replacing the signs and everything while he's actively president. And then there's also the question of what happens when he isn't president anymore. Is it still the President Biden Expressway? That would be kind of like having the President Eisenhower Interstate System. It just seems really weird.
I agree with you all too. Anything that takes any form of public money (roads/bridges/buildings/schools/parks/ect) shouldn't be named/renamed after anybody in politics until they've retired from office unless it's on private property (and takes no public money). Don't care what side of the aisle you're on.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 29, 2021, 07:08:33 PM
Two comments before the inevitable lock:
As long as it remains civil in here and doesn't devolve into personal attacks, I personally will not lock it (but that doesn't mean other Mods/Admins still might do it).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
I agree.
I generally disagree with naming things after living people for the reason US 89 notes–you never know what unexpected thing might happen to sully that person's name. The most obvious example that comes to mind in recent memory is in Cincinnati, where in 1985 after Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb's all-time hits record, the city renamed the street running past Riverfront Stadium as "Pete Rose Way." It still has that name, even though now it runs past the football stadium instead of the baseball stadium, but to a lot of people the name "Pete Rose" is surely tarnished due to his banishment from baseball. (Yes, I know he remains a hero in Cincinnati because of his on-field exploits, and I don't have a problem with that, but surely he's a good example of why naming a street for a living person can go wrong when subsequent events give the person a bad name.)
Of course, as a general matter, that sort of thing seems less likely to happen with a US president who is pushing 80 years old like Biden is, though surely it's not impossible. My point is more along the lines of it probably being better, as a policy matter, for states or cities to draw a bright line than it is to make it up as they go along, because making it up as they go lends itself to all sorts of arbitrariness.
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee would like to have a word with you.
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 29, 2021, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 29, 2021, 08:54:43 PMAnd then there's also the question of what happens when he isn't president anymore. Is it still the President Biden Expressway? That would be kind of like having the President Eisenhower Interstate System. It just seems really weird.
There's already a President George Bush Turnpike.
In addition to that, there is an Oklahoma Senate Bill (624) that passed in May that gives names to several highways in the state, effective in about a month. In the bill, State Highway 287 in the panhandle between Boise City and Texas will be named President Donald J. Trump Highway.
Trump has no ties to Oklahoma...
There's a Ronald Reagan Highway in Cincinnati and a President Barack Obama (some street name) in one of the cities in Indiana across the river from Louisville. And stuff named for MLK and JFK all over the country in places where they had no ties (you have facilities named for both of them in Louisville).
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
And to think there's loads of us who wanted a number for the Central Scranton Expressway, but instead it got another name.
I didn't recall seeing any businesses along the route, unless it also includes some non-expressway portion.
My experience driving that road (started in downtown and made my way out to I-81) is that if you blink, you miss it.
Is it a state road or does the city maintain it? If it's a state route, it probably has a hidden four-digit number. Jeff Kitsko would tell you that I-81 is just SR 0081 with a fancy route marker. :-D
Quote from: SD Mapman on September 29, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 29, 2021, 07:08:33 PM
2.) Several have commented that regardless of the politician being feted -- meaning not specific to Biden -- they don't approve of things being named after people who are still alive. I disagree. I think it should be done while people are still around to appreciate the honor.
As someone who is one of those people who doesn't approve of naming things after living people, my way of thinking is that it promotes a swelled head in the person in question, which isn't good. At least wait until they're retired and done with whatever they're doing, and then it can be an award to enjoy in old age.
1.) Biden's already in his old age.
2.) I know very few politicians at that high of a level who don't already have swelled heads and oversized egos. I've even seen it out of a lot of mayors and county judges-executive and state legislators.
Hopefully it'll connect to the Corn Pop Expressway.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Roads can't go off cliffs in Chicagoland, because Illinois is flat.
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2021, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Roads can't go off cliffs in Chicagoland, because Illinois is flat.
Exception: The Hypotenuse
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Nah it would be in Palm Beach, Florida.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Nah it would be in Palm Beach, Florida.
Cliffs in Palm Beach? That's even less likely than cliffs in Chicagoland.
The road is named after a guy who honestly should have had it even as VP. Not often that a town has a hometown hero who is proud of his roots. Who cares really? Does it matter? it seems to have been done in a budget-concious way unlike the tappan-zee bridge signs with the M added.
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2021, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Nah it would be in Palm Beach, Florida.
Cliffs in Palm Beach? That's even less likely than cliffs in Chicagoland.
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.6768876,-80.0360957,3a,75.5y,297.31h,102.43t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxfNu-FG-KJJL3XBRRQtbOg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DxfNu-FG-KJJL3XBRRQtbOg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D280.43198%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Interstate can go right off the roof
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
Nah it would be in Palm Beach, Florida.
JP had it right the first time.
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2021, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
He was a senator for 36 years. That's enough to get something named after you even if he hadn't become president.
That would make more sense if the highway was in the state where he was a senator.
Well, he was born in Scranton. That probably has something to do with it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Contradictory, don't you think?
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
And this is why I would wait until after they pass, so that there's no scandal that they get into even after holding office (or being a sports star or whatever else).
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
And this is why I would wait until after they pass, so that there's no scandal that they get into even after holding office (or being a sports star or whatever else).
And even after they pass, sometimes they're threatened to be stripped, even when it's a disgraced family member (but then again, most people call what I'm referring to by its old name anyway).
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 11:19:24 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 29, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
My feelings are that renaming things for a politician should wait until after they're out of office, unless they built it on their own property.
I agree. Naming things after living people is probably okay in itself, especially if the person is from the area in question (Jimmy Carter Blvd near Atlanta, Pres George Bush Turnpike in Dallas come to mind as other examples) but for politicians who are still in office... what if Biden does something you don't like (or did in the past and it becomes public later)? Who knows what shocking scandals or whatever might show up in the next few years.
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the new name was "Joe Biden Expressway". But by naming it "President Biden Expressway" you're emphasizing his current role... I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
And this is why I would wait until after they pass, so that there's no scandal that they get into even after holding office (or being a sports star or whatever else).
And even after they pass, sometimes they're threatened to be stripped, even when it's a disgraced family member (but then again, most people call what I'm referring to by its old name anyway).
That's very isolated - typically you wouldn't associate that person with their other family, but in this case it is that exact other family member who was involved in the naming. That said, yes, sometimes scandals arise after things are named (Thomas Jefferson...) and, well, you address it when it happens in that case.
Hindsight is 2020. You could name a road after a person who was a saint, but 50,100,150 years later....the world advanced and what they were known for was good, but their life...was horrible. Just name roads after locals who made it big, or did a lot for the community. Due dilligence when naming, and in the future it's their problem to sort it out.
That's why I'm against rampant canceling of people and renaming roads. Washington owned slaves, do we have to rename our capital?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
He already has his name on a gaudy, mostly-empty skyscraper downtown. It's right on the Chicago River. You can't miss it [the building or the name].
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 01, 2021, 11:52:28 AM
That's why I'm against rampant canceling of people and renaming roads. Washington owned slaves, do we have to rename our capital?
Yes. To Rothmanland.
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
He already has his name on a gaudy, mostly-empty skyscraper downtown. It's right on the Chicago River. You can't miss it [the building or the name].
Oh. We're talking about Obama.
Interstate 55 between the Tri-State and Pontiac.
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
He already has his name on a gaudy, mostly-empty skyscraper downtown. It's right on the Chicago River. You can't miss it [the building or the name].
Oh. We're talking about Obama.
No, Obama wasn't from Connecticut.
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
He already has his name on a gaudy, mostly-empty skyscraper downtown. It's right on the Chicago River. You can't miss it [the building or the name].
Oh. We're talking about Obama.
No, Obama wasn't from Connecticut.
Well, I know a building on the Chicago River with a former president from Queens on it.
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
He already has his name on a gaudy, mostly-empty skyscraper downtown. It's right on the Chicago River. You can't miss it [the building or the name].
Oh. We're talking about Obama.
No, Obama wasn't from Connecticut.
Well, I know a building on the Chicago River with a former president from Queens on it.
Oh. Is it yuuuuge?
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
But their political legacies were made in Texas.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
The road probably dead ends a half mile past the sign.
At least it wouldn't go right off a cliff like a road named after another president in recent memory.
Which Chicagoland expressway would that be?
He already has his name on a gaudy, mostly-empty skyscraper downtown. It's right on the Chicago River. You can't miss it [the building or the name].
Oh. We're talking about Obama.
No, Obama wasn't from Connecticut.
Well, I know a building on the Chicago River with a former president from Queens on it.
Oh. Is it yuuuuge?
Fuccillo for President?
I still want to know if Pennsylvania has abandoned Clearview for good.
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
That's just being pedantic. HW and especially W identified as being from Texas. W was even part owner of the Texas Rangers for a while, not to mention governor of Texas.
I do agree with not naming anything after anyone living. Period. St Louis couldn't remove the signs on the Mark McGwire Freeway fast enough after the MLB steroid scandal.
Quote from: skluth on October 01, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
That's just being pedantic. HW and especially W identified as being from Texas. W was even part owner of the Texas Rangers for a while, not to mention governor of Texas.
I do agree with not naming anything after anyone living. Period. St Louis couldn't remove the signs on the Mark McGwire Freeway fast enough after the MLB steroid scandal.
What if the steroids were revealed after McGwire died?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 01, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Quote from: skluth on October 01, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
That's just being pedantic. HW and especially W identified as being from Texas. W was even part owner of the Texas Rangers for a while, not to mention governor of Texas.
I do agree with not naming anything after anyone living. Period. St Louis couldn't remove the signs on the Mark McGwire Freeway fast enough after the MLB steroid scandal.
What if the steroids were revealed after McGwire died?
Then you deal with it later.
Quote from: skluth on October 01, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2021, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
Regardless of your political beliefs, he was a longtime senator, VP, and the President who is the most famous person from Scranton. I'm no fan of Bush but I think it's appropriate to have roads named after him (them) in Texas.
The Bushes were from Connecticut.
That's just being pedantic. HW and especially W identified as being from Texas. W was even part owner of the Texas Rangers for a while, not to mention governor of Texas.
Amazing what people will say about themselves when it is politically expedient to do so. There was a big reason why they'd run off to Kennebunkport rather than closer climes to Texas. Texas was business; New England was home.
Well I have lived in Florida most of my adult life. I came from New Jersey originally but I could say I am a Florida resident if I ever ran for an Office.
The thing is we have to get used to a disposable world where things will come and go fast. Look at Compact Discs and Floppy Discs. They came as the the thing and now are forgotten.
We have to deal with BS like it or not, and we have to live with people in power whom we dislike. It's life. Same with lying or exaggerating which is been the norm for years in all aspects of life.
I still want to know if Pennsylvania is still using FHWA for new guide sign installations instead of Clearview on a statewide basis. It would be a major surprise if one of the innovators and early adopters and advocates for Clearview has now abandoned it.
My nitpick is, of all things, with the mismatched patch with the new name in FHWA and the Exprwy abbreviation in Clearview.
Also, "Exprwy"? Shouldn't it be "Expwy"?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 03, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
My nitpick is, of all things, with the mismatched patch with the new name in FHWA and the Exprwy abbreviation in Clearview.
Also, "Exprwy"? Shouldn't it be "Expwy"?
Presumably the original sign was Clearview and they only overlaid the "Central Scranton" text, rather than the entire name.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 02, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
I still want to know if Pennsylvania is still using FHWA for new guide sign installations instead of Clearview on a statewide basis. It would be a major surprise if one of the innovators and early adopters and advocates for Clearview has now abandoned it.
I've posted in the general Pennsylvania thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2410.msg2667180#msg2667180) about this since I'd also like to know if this is a good sign (heh) for PennDOT's future signage, or if it's just a fluke (perhaps a result of city involvement?). Discussion in this thread seems primarily focused on the name change itself rather than the updated signage.
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 03, 2021, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 03, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
My nitpick is, of all things, with the mismatched patch with the new name in FHWA and the Exprwy abbreviation in Clearview.
Also, "Exprwy"? Shouldn't it be "Expwy"?
Presumably the original sign was Clearview and they only overlaid the "Central Scranton" text, rather than the entire name.
Yeah, that's literally what happened (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3918214,-75.6533386,3a,26.1y,48.47h,107.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc77PbCyHR9boYWqoagwlzA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en). But the clash between FHWA and Clearview is still odd.
I'm more annoyed by their abbreviation of "Exprwy" rather than "Expy" or "Expwy" as is the traditional way.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 29, 2021, 07:08:33 PM
1.) I've seen photos that show the greenout done in FHWA, leaving only the bottom line in Clearview. I'm shocked -- shocked -- that Pennsylvania has abandoned Clearview.
Clearview is alive and well in PA. Those signs were probably made by a contractor.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 02, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
I still want to know if Pennsylvania is still using FHWA for new guide sign installations instead of Clearview on a statewide basis. It would be a major surprise if one of the innovators and early adopters and advocates for Clearview has now abandoned it.
PennDOT installed replacement Clearview signage on I-79 near Pittsburgh last year. PTC also replaced some tolling-related signage on the Mon-Fayette Expressway with Clearview this year.
For larger projects, it seems like it depends on when the plans were drafted. The I-70 widening near Washington received FHWA signage this year. Signs for the Southern Beltway that just went up are also in FHWA.