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Re: Ohio
« Reply #975 on: April 17, 2023, 10:17:16 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/UfMtDTRmQuHMKM1D7
I see the I-71 and US 35 intersections gets PA Turnpike treatment with OH 435 connecting the two freeways.

Interesting.  Iím guessing local businesses donít want a direct connection here for loss of revenue.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #976 on: April 17, 2023, 10:35:06 PM »

There also isn't a direct connection between Interstate 75 and US 30: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8316154,-83.9813971,3470m/data=!3m1!1e3. There are a few others on the Ohio Turnpike that would be nice-to-have, but won't or can't exist: Interstate 80/90 @ Interstate 475; Interstate 80 @ Interstate 271; Interstate 76 @ OH 11.
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« Reply #977 on: April 18, 2023, 06:29:10 AM »

There also isn't a direct connection between Interstate 75 and US 30: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8316154,-83.9813971,3470m/data=!3m1!1e3. There are a few others on the Ohio Turnpike that would be nice-to-have, but won't or can't exist: Interstate 80/90 @ Interstate 475; Interstate 80 @ Interstate 271; Interstate 76 @ OH 11.

An I-475 interchange might have been possible in 1970 or 1980, but canít happen now without lots of eminent domain (and $$$).Iím guessing an I-271 interchange isn't possible because of the Cuyahoga National Park. An OH-11 interchange probably makes the most sense; I wonder why it hasnít happened.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #978 on: April 18, 2023, 08:16:11 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/UfMtDTRmQuHMKM1D7
I see the I-71 and US 35 intersections gets PA Turnpike treatment with OH 435 connecting the two freeways.

Interesting.  Iím guessing local businesses donít want a direct connection here for loss of revenue.

I usually don't like when they do half-assed things like Ohio 435, but they did a good job there. It flows nicely. It works very well, but then again, I only used to take it going westbound. If I had to go eastbound from there on a regular basis, I'm not sure what I'd think.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #979 on: April 18, 2023, 09:51:05 AM »

There also isn't a direct connection between Interstate 75 and US 30: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8316154,-83.9813971,3470m/data=!3m1!1e3. There are a few others on the Ohio Turnpike that would be nice-to-have, but won't or can't exist: Interstate 80/90 @ Interstate 475; Interstate 80 @ Interstate 271; Interstate 76 @ OH 11.

An I-475 interchange might have been possible in 1970 or 1980, but canít happen now without lots of eminent domain (and $$$).Iím guessing an I-271 interchange isn't possible because of the Cuyahoga National Park. An OH-11 interchange probably makes the most sense; I wonder why it hasnít happened.

A Turnpike exit at OH-11 would have been considered too close to the I-76/I-80 interchange in the olden days, when exits were limited.

Now that the Youngstown stretch will be part of the "free" Turnpike shortly, it makes the case to build the exit there much stronger as they can be individual free-flow ramps there -- no toll booths needed.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #980 on: April 18, 2023, 04:27:51 PM »

Speaking of goofball shields, this one has been in Worthington for a long time, at least 10 years. Anybody know the background story behind this? Did Ohio ever use circular shields? I don't think they did. At first, I thought they were using a round shield for historical accuracy.


https://maps.app.goo.gl/D9Sz43VhnsD3k45j8

I remember it being like that as far back as the late 1970s.  I am sure the sign has been replaced more than once since then.

I always assumed this was an anomaly introduced by the city of Worthington.
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« Reply #981 on: April 18, 2023, 05:23:48 PM »

Speaking of goofball shields, this one has been in Worthington for a long time, at least 10 years. Anybody know the background story behind this? Did Ohio ever use circular shields? I don't think they did. At first, I thought they were using a round shield for historical accuracy.


https://maps.app.goo.gl/D9Sz43VhnsD3k45j8

I remember it being like that as far back as the late 1970s.  I am sure the sign has been replaced more than once since then.

I always assumed this was an anomaly introduced by the city of Worthington.

If it has been there that long, it has to be a historical thing. (That is Worthington's historic district.) Ohio has been using shields cut in the shape of the state for a very long time. At least since the 1940s. Does anybody know if we used round shields before that?
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« Reply #982 on: April 18, 2023, 10:03:44 PM »

I remember seeing a picture of a sign with the "Fishbone" Ohio logo on it somewhere but can't remember the shape.
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« Reply #983 on: April 19, 2023, 01:58:54 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/UfMtDTRmQuHMKM1D7
I see the I-71 and US 35 intersections gets PA Turnpike treatment with OH 435 connecting the two freeways.

Interesting.  Iím guessing local businesses donít want a direct connection here for loss of revenue.

I'm sure that was part of it, though with the new US 35 freeway crossing being less than a half mile from the current exit, the spacing would have been too close to have a full direct interchange and maintaining local access without adding significant extra lengths to the new freeway construction.

There also isn't a direct connection between Interstate 75 and US 30: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8316154,-83.9813971,3470m/data=!3m1!1e3.

I'm sure I've relayed this story before about Beaverdam. When the US 30 freeway was only constructed headed west from I-75, and US 30 joined it from an interchange where OH 696 now intersects Lincoln Highway. In the late 1990s, one of my engineering classmates interned at ODOT when they were designing/constructing the eastward extension. The truck stops at Beaverdam successfully lobbied to keep any direct I-75 connection from happening which is why we ended up with that garbage overbuilt trumpet with the left exit and entrance on eastbound US 30. Although the railroad line parallel with I-75 would have complicated any potential direct connection to US 30 even had the local politics not intervened.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #984 on: April 20, 2023, 10:10:58 AM »

Ohio has been using shields cut in the shape of the state for a very long time. At least since the 1940s. Does anybody know if we used round shields before that?

Ohio's state routes have been marked with the state outline since they were first signed for the public in 1924, and route 161 didn't even pass through Worthington yet at that time.

(clip from 1924 Ohio official road map)
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #985 on: April 20, 2023, 10:38:28 AM »

I can't remember if I've ever seen a cutout shield in the wild.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #986 on: April 20, 2023, 04:28:49 PM »

I can't remember if I've ever seen a cutout shield in the wild.

There were a few cutouts that remained in the Cleveland area well into the 90s, especially Woodland Avenue between i-77 and East 55th St. 
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« Reply #987 on: April 21, 2023, 11:41:08 AM »

US 50 through Mariemont also had a cutout shield going westbound well into the aughts. It may still be there. I have no idea.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #988 on: April 21, 2023, 02:11:35 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/UfMtDTRmQuHMKM1D7
I see the I-71 and US 35 intersections gets PA Turnpike treatment with OH 435 connecting the two freeways.

Interesting.  Iím guessing local businesses donít want a direct connection here for loss of revenue.

I'm sure that was part of it, though with the new US 35 freeway crossing being less than a half mile from the current exit, the spacing would have been too close to have a full direct interchange and maintaining local access without adding significant extra lengths to the new freeway construction.

There also isn't a direct connection between Interstate 75 and US 30: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8316154,-83.9813971,3470m/data=!3m1!1e3.

I'm sure I've relayed this story before about Beaverdam. When the US 30 freeway was only constructed headed west from I-75, and US 30 joined it from an interchange where OH 696 now intersects Lincoln Highway. In the late 1990s, one of my engineering classmates interned at ODOT when they were designing/constructing the eastward extension. The truck stops at Beaverdam successfully lobbied to keep any direct I-75 connection from happening which is why we ended up with that garbage overbuilt trumpet with the left exit and entrance on eastbound US 30. Although the railroad line parallel with I-75 would have complicated any potential direct connection to US 30 even had the local politics not intervened.

Used to use the I-71/US 35 interchange more often but it's been a few years--it was never a big deal and the outlet mall, etc. were there first before the new US 35 freeway was built--so working around that was necessary.  Moving a new interchange with I-71 far enough from there to have room was not worth it and still would not have been worth it to just leave the interchange with "old" US 35.  (Even older Old US 35 passed through where the northern half of the current diamond interchange is, so there is Old 35 and Old Old 35 there.  Sounds like a Godfather's Pizza commercial. "No way--Old 35's bridge went out with the tornado of '83!")

I use US 30 through the I-75 interchange relatively often and that loop ramp to US 30 EB is so excessive in distance, that if I am stopping at Speedway or something traveling east, I use the old road (Lincoln Highway) to OH 235 to get back on US 30.  There is about an extra mile of looping with the huge trumpet with left exit/entrance.  Indeed, though, there is the constraint of the rail line such that what they did is about the best they could do.  Like the 71/35 interchange in Octa, the volume isn't heavy enough to bother with more direct access, and the access to the services at both Beaverdam and Octa works out.

It is interesting to wonder what they planned for US 30 east of Beaverdam when they built the stub/ghost interchange with Lincoln Highway.  They linked the "new" US 30 coming in from the west with the old road heading east, but hitting it from the south with a bridge that ended up being torn down suggests they hoped to route US 30 to the north (versus the south of the old road where it is now).  Was it just a good-enough plan to have the bridge there for the old exit from Lincoln WB to the "new" 30 heading west to Indiana to underpass instead of turning left across traffic, with no particular plan for where US 30 would go to the east?  The wide separation of the sides of US 23 where the current western split of US 23 and US 30 near Upper Sandusky (leaving room for the stack that was built decades later) suggests that they had plans for some US 30 expressway way back when, with room for the tie-in left there by 1970.
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« Reply #989 on: April 22, 2023, 01:18:46 AM »

US 50 through Mariemont also had a cutout shield going westbound well into the aughts. It may still be there. I have no idea.
The four attendees of the 2020 Cincy Roadmeet will neither confirm, nor deny, this cutout US shield's existence.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #990 on: April 22, 2023, 01:21:46 AM »

I can't remember if I've ever seen a cutout shield in the wild.

You don't remember this from the Spring-Sandusky rebuild days?  :D
http://www.roadfan.com/cutout.jpg
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« Reply #991 on: April 22, 2023, 03:10:01 AM »


You don't remember this from the Spring-Sandusky rebuild days?  :D
http://www.roadfan.com/cutout.jpg

I remember it vaguely, but not as clearly as I remember the US 315 sign.
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« Reply #992 on: April 22, 2023, 10:47:32 AM »

I can't remember if I've ever seen a cutout shield in the wild.

You don't remember this from the Spring-Sandusky rebuild days?  :D
http://www.roadfan.com/cutout.jpg

Hmm, not sure if I was including temporary construction signs.
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« Reply #993 on: April 22, 2023, 10:13:21 PM »

I can't remember if I've ever seen a cutout shield in the wild.

You don't remember this from the Spring-Sandusky rebuild days?  :D
http://www.roadfan.com/cutout.jpg

Hmm, not sure if I was including temporary construction signs.

I realize you weren't. The only cutout Ohio shields I've seen (excluding construction goofs) would be state park routes. ODNR seems to like to use cutouts still.
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« Reply #994 on: April 24, 2023, 10:36:08 AM »

Saw this story come across my Google feed a while back, about a potential I-71 interchange to fill the 5 mile gap between OH 82 in Strongsville and OH 303 in Brunswick.

The latest highway funding bill signed by Gov. DeWine approved the funding for it, though construction won't start until 2030.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/04/08/governor-devines-approval-new-i-71-interchange-is-controversial-tale-2-cities/
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« Reply #995 on: April 24, 2023, 10:45:18 AM »

65-mile gap? It appears you forgot to add a decimal point between the 6 and the 5 Buck87.
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« Reply #996 on: April 24, 2023, 12:23:15 PM »

65-mile gap? It appears you forgot to add a decimal point between the 6 and the 5 Buck87.

Oops, I fixed it.
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« Reply #997 on: April 24, 2023, 07:31:29 PM »

Saw this story come across my Google feed a while back, about a potential I-71 interchange to fill the 5 mile gap between OH 82 in Strongsville and OH 303 in Brunswick.

The latest highway funding bill signed by Gov. DeWine approved the funding for it, though construction won't start until 2030.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/04/08/governor-devines-approval-new-i-71-interchange-is-controversial-tale-2-cities/

Likely because there needs to be significant improvements to Boston Road from I-71 west to Pearl Road and  east to West 130th st.

Boston has always been a narrow 2-lane Road with a lot of short hills with limited visibility ‐‐ moreso west of I-71.  The paralleling N. Carpenter and Howe Roads are a bit wider with less hills and dips. 

Sounds like they will give Strongsville and Brunswick a chance to improve Boston Road before freeway traffic can exit there.
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« Reply #998 on: April 28, 2023, 01:07:31 PM »

Last night, I noticed that there were long runs of solid white lines separating the lanes, being painted along i-670 in the downtown area (instead of the dashed lines that are normal). Was there anything in the news or anything from ODOT about that? I think we can make an educated guess about why they're doing that, but I'm still curious. I wonder if they are ever going to be able to straighten that road out.
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« Reply #999 on: April 28, 2023, 09:08:18 PM »

Last night, I noticed that there were long runs of solid white lines separating the lanes, being painted along i-670 in the downtown area (instead of the dashed lines that are normal). Was there anything in the news or anything from ODOT about that? I think we can make an educated guess about why they're doing that, but I'm still curious. I wonder if they are ever going to be able to straighten that road out.

Construction zone. Supposed to encourage drivers to not change lanes through there.
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