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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1825 on: November 26, 2023, 04:01:57 PM »

I've heard suggesitons the city planted those on their own. Are they actually still standing? I had seen photos but I didn't see any the last time I was in Caledonia when I looked for them.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1826 on: November 26, 2023, 04:27:43 PM »

Yep, that picture was from yesterday. I didn't remember seeing them when I drove through about three years ago.

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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1827 on: November 27, 2023, 07:28:50 PM »

The only business routes that are on the state highway system are Brainerd and East Grand Forks.  All others (including Willmar*) are purely local endeavors.


* A small part of the north end of the Willmar business route is technically on MnDOT’s system, but it’s officially part of now-unsigned MN 294.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1828 on: November 29, 2023, 11:45:05 PM »

Fiurther investigation raises even more questions for me - those BUS 44 signs *look* quite old, but only went up sometime after 2012. I can't find exactly what year the 44/76 "bypass" opened;  it was at minimum prior to 1980.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1829 on: November 30, 2023, 11:01:19 AM »

Fiurther investigation raises even more questions for me - those BUS 44 signs *look* quite old, but only went up sometime after 2012. I can't find exactly what year the 44/76 "bypass" opened;  it was at minimum prior to 1980.

It was before 1952, per Historic Aerials.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1830 on: November 30, 2023, 04:33:07 PM »

Fiurther investigation raises even more questions for me - those BUS 44 signs *look* quite old, but only went up sometime after 2012. I can't find exactly what year the 44/76 "bypass" opened;  it was at minimum prior to 1980.

It was before 1952, per Historic Aerials.

Graded in 1949, concrete in 1950 per MnDOT project logs.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1831 on: December 01, 2023, 10:03:13 AM »

There's a resolution that passed the St. Paul Heritage Preservation Commission to officially restore the Rondo Ave name along Concordia Ave from Griggs to Kellogg. The section of Concordia Ave west of Griggs would remain Concordia. As I understand the process, the full City Council will hold hearings on it before deciding to pass it later this month.

Concordia University is in favor of the move. Interestingly enough, the name Concordia was first proposed by Public Works Commissioner Milton Rosen and approved in January of 1964, though the College (at the time) was in support of the idea. It wasn't until about 10-12 years ago that Concordia moved its official mailing address to Concordia Ave.; previously, the school's address was on Syndicate St.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1832 on: December 01, 2023, 03:31:32 PM »

Was Concordia Ave. west of N. Griggs St. named Rondo Ave. as well? Or was that segment always Concordia Ave.? Google Maps also lists Concordia Ave as Old Rondo Ave. between Victoria St. and Dale St. N.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1833 on: December 01, 2023, 04:47:17 PM »

Was Concordia Ave. west of N. Griggs St. named Rondo Ave. as well? Or was that segment always Concordia Ave.? Google Maps also lists Concordia Ave as Old Rondo Ave. between Victoria St. and Dale St. N.

No. Before 94 came, St. Anthony Ave (which today is the frontage road to 94 on the north side of the area) angled southwest-northeast and Rondo ended westbound approximately at St. Anthony and Dunlap Ave just west of Lexington Parkway, and St. Anthony continued west.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1834 on: December 01, 2023, 05:17:44 PM »

Was Concordia Ave. west of N. Griggs St. named Rondo Ave. as well? Or was that segment always Concordia Ave.? Google Maps also lists Concordia Ave as Old Rondo Ave. between Victoria St. and Dale St. N.

No. Before 94 came, St. Anthony Ave (which today is the frontage road to 94 on the north side of the area) angled southwest-northeast and Rondo ended westbound approximately at St. Anthony and Dunlap Ave just west of Lexington Parkway, and St. Anthony continued west.

Not 100% accurate. Per historic aerial imagery, Griggs/St. Anthony was the endpoint of Rondo at the NE corner of the Concordia campus.

Concordia Ave. west of Hamline Ave. used to be Roblyn Ave. Concordia east of Hamline to Griggs was St. Anthony.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1835 on: December 02, 2023, 08:33:11 AM »

A couple neat sidenotes about that aerial image:

  • You can make out the streetcar platforms in the median along University.
  • It shows how industrial the St Paul Midway used to be…a key factor in then-MHD’s decision to route I-94 along St Anthony Ave instead of parallel to the Great Northern rail mainline (now BNSF’s Midway Subdivision) as George Herrold (St Paul’s city planner of the time) proposed.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1836 on: Today at 01:06:41 AM »

This is a new one for me.  MnDOT and Scott County have plans for an interchange at US 169 and CR 59, about 2 miles southwest of Jordan.  Construction next year.  The plan is for a folded-diamond interchange.
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Re: Minnesota Notes
« Reply #1837 on: Today at 01:51:22 AM »

This is a new one for me.  MnDOT and Scott County have plans for an interchange at US 169 and CR 59, about 2 miles southwest of Jordan.  Construction next year.  The plan is for a folded-diamond interchange.
Yeah, I was also surprised to see that
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