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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #200 on: January 28, 2023, 11:50:19 AM »

I've posted photos taken by Strider along the final section of the Greensboro Loop, including this first (and so far, only) pull through sign featuring both I-785 and I-840:


on my NC New and Future Interstates Greensboro Loop page: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos

Updating signage along the rest of the Loop, I-85, I-40 and I-73, that, based on the contract's sign plans, includes removing the Business 85 signs from I-40, US 29 and approaching roadways (along with references to US 70 due to its relocation through the city) has not begun yet. According to contract documents, work must be completed by the end of June.

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #201 on: January 29, 2023, 08:02:53 PM »

Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.
FWIW Google Maps has now added the 840 shield on the 785 segment.

Google Maps is showing it now.
But it does not show 840 as concurrent with the 785 section
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #202 on: January 29, 2023, 09:34:10 PM »

Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show the completed Interstate 840 yet: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1466422,-79.7672615,3703m/data=!3m1!1e3. Since it only opened today, that's not surprising. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long until Google Maps acknowledges the completed Greensboro Urban Loop.

Google Maps is showing it now.

But it does not show 840 as concurrent with the 785 section

FWIW Google Maps has now added the 840 shield on the 785 segment.

It looks like Google Maps is having trouble displaying both shields at the same time.  I'm having to drag the display in-and-out to get them both to show up on the same segment.  Usually, only the I-840 shield is showing.  This seemed worse on the northbound flyover segment from the southeast Loop to the northeast Loop.  (This may be a common problem with the newer version of Google Maps, but it seems like a new problem here).
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #203 on: January 29, 2023, 10:38:14 PM »

Why is everyone riding Google Maps's dick?
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #204 on: January 29, 2023, 11:15:38 PM »

^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date.  Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening?  News flash--not gonna happen:no:
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #205 on: February 01, 2023, 02:21:37 AM »

I've posted photos taken by Strider along the final section of the Greensboro Loop, including this first (and so far, only) pull through sign featuring both I-785 and I-840:


on my NC New and Future Interstates Greensboro Loop page: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/futloop.html#i840photos

Updating signage along the rest of the Loop, I-85, I-40 and I-73, that, based on the contract's sign plans, includes removing the Business 85 signs from I-40, US 29 and approaching roadways (along with references to US 70 due to its relocation through the city) has not begun yet. According to contract documents, work must be completed by the end of June.


I was driving yesterday along MLK and the 40 interchange, and off to the side of the on-ramp to 40 east was a stack of  signs. I guess its just a matter of time now
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #206 on: February 01, 2023, 07:38:44 PM »

^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date.  Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening?  News flash--not gonna happen:no:
Actually I was surprised at how quickly Google Maps picked up the new section. No criticism intended.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2023, 08:32:22 PM »

Now that the Greensboro Urban Loop is completed, they can start getting a move on upgrading US 29 into Interstate 785 from Exit 135 northward (the segments that need upgrading, that is).
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #208 on: February 01, 2023, 08:57:55 PM »

^ Exits 136 to 145 needs to be upgraded from a partially controlled access highway into a fully controlled access interstate highway. There’s no traffic signals, access is controlled to some extent with a few frontage roads, and a few interchanges do exist, but some private driveways and intersecting roads still need to be addressed.

North of Exit 145, the freeway meets interstate standards up to the Virginia state line and is posted at 70 mph.

Interestingly, they just recently raised the speed limit north of Reedy Fork Pkwy from 55 mph to 60 mph. A welcome change, IMO, when I drove that section a couple years ago, traffic was seemingly moving over 70 mph.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #209 on: February 01, 2023, 09:48:52 PM »

^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date.  Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening?  News flash--not gonna happen:no:
Actually I was surprised at how quickly Google Maps picked up the new section. No criticism intended.
Meanwhile, Google Maps has yet to add the second phase of the I-66 HOT lanes, which opened over 2 months ago, and its depiction of Indy’s North Split is woefully inaccurate. But I digress….
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #210 on: February 02, 2023, 10:04:00 AM »

^ Because some people believe that Google Maps should be perfect and instantaneously up-to-date.  Is Google Maps supposed to have one of their vehicles positioned at the ready for an Interstate Highway opening?  News flash--not gonna happen:no:
Actually I was surprised at how quickly Google Maps picked up the new section. No criticism intended.
Meanwhile, Google Maps has yet to add the second phase of the I-66 HOT lanes, which opened over 2 months ago, and its depiction of Indy’s North Split is woefully inaccurate. But I digress….
Just out of curiosity, does Apple depict either of those correctly?

(FWIW, Apple still doesn’t correctly overlay where NC-885 becomes I-885, and shows the East End connector as ramps rather than a roadway.)
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #211 on: February 03, 2023, 04:10:08 PM »

Meanwhile, Google Maps has yet to add the second phase of the I-66 HOT lanes, which opened over 2 months ago, and its depiction of Indy’s North Split is woefully inaccurate. But I digress….
Just out of curiosity, does Apple depict either of those correctly?

(FWIW, Apple still doesn’t correctly overlay where NC-885 becomes I-885, and shows the East End connector as ramps rather than a roadway.)
They’ve taken a stab at both. I’m not sure if all the I-66 ramps are depicted properly.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #212 on: February 05, 2023, 01:31:36 AM »

Here is a video from Tarheel Travels, which drove the Greensboro Urban Loop in entirely, but going counterclockwise. (I-840 West, I-73 South, I-85 North, I-785 North/I-840 West).

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #213 on: February 05, 2023, 06:19:47 PM »

Thanks for posting the video. One thing it does is help to prove that the Loop is 39 (or 39.5 according to Wikipedia) and not 49 miles long. I timed how long it took to go the video to go from the 1 1/4 mile advance sign for No. Elm Street to the exit ramp, 1 minute and 5 seconds or 65 seconds. My back of the envelope calculation equates this to a speed around 74 miles per hour. If the Loop is 39.5 miles long and that speed maintained throughout, this would equate to a video of about 32 minutes and 6 seconds long, the actual video is 32 minutes and 19 seconds. If the Loop was 49 miles long, the average speed of the car taking the video would have to be 92 MPH to take the same amount of time to drive the loop and driving a mile at that speed would take about 39 seconds. This is not shown to be the case watching the video.

LATE UPDATE: According to Waze, some sign work is going on along I-40 and US 29 tonight (2/5), hopefully related to removing Business 85 and US 70 from signage: "Contract forces are working on removal and replacement of overhead sign assemblies along I-40 WB & EB between Randleman Rd. and McConnell Rd. (between mile markers 219 & 225) along with US-29 SB @ Florida Street. Due to the span of these signs multiple lanes will be required to safely work each night. NCDOT 3 hrs ago."
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #214 on: February 06, 2023, 03:51:46 AM »

Thanks for posting the video. One thing it does is help to prove that the Loop is 39 (or 39.5 according to Wikipedia) and not 49 miles long. I timed how long it took to go the video to go from the 1 1/4 mile advance sign for No. Elm Street to the exit ramp, 1 minute and 5 seconds or 65 seconds. My back of the envelope calculation equates this to a speed around 74 miles per hour. If the Loop is 39.5 miles long and that speed maintained throughout, this would equate to a video of about 32 minutes and 6 seconds long, the actual video is 32 minutes and 19 seconds. If the Loop was 49 miles long, the average speed of the car taking the video would have to be 92 MPH to take the same amount of time to drive the loop and driving a mile at that speed would take about 39 seconds. This is not shown to be the case watching the video.

the 49 miles includes all the entrance ramps, exit ramps, and their respective merging on/off lanes, of the whole loop.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #215 on: February 06, 2023, 07:34:15 PM »


LATE UPDATE: According to Waze, some sign work is going on along I-40 and US 29 tonight (2/5), hopefully related to removing Business 85 and US 70 from signage: "Contract forces are working on removal and replacement of overhead sign assemblies along I-40 WB & EB between Randleman Rd. and McConnell Rd. (between mile markers 219 & 225) along with US-29 SB @ Florida Street. Due to the span of these signs multiple lanes will be required to safely work each night. NCDOT 3 hrs ago."

The overhead signs when you ramp onto 29/220 and 40 from MLK are up.  The Green 85 and 70 are indeed removed.  The Florida Street Exit only sign has been installed on 29.  The 29/220 sign with 2 directional arrows is up at Exit 223,  They had the right lane of 40 closed last night, I guess tonight they will be closing the left lanes tonight to replace the 40/Green 85 sign.

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #216 on: February 06, 2023, 10:02:42 PM »


LATE UPDATE: According to Waze, some sign work is going on along I-40 and US 29 tonight (2/5), hopefully related to removing Business 85 and US 70 from signage: "Contract forces are working on removal and replacement of overhead sign assemblies along I-40 WB & EB between Randleman Rd. and McConnell Rd. (between mile markers 219 & 225) along with US-29 SB @ Florida Street. Due to the span of these signs multiple lanes will be required to safely work each night. NCDOT 3 hrs ago."

The overhead signs when you ramp onto 29/220 and 40 from MLK are up.  The Green 85 and 70 are indeed removed.  The Florida Street Exit only sign has been installed on 29.  The 29/220 sign with 2 directional arrows is up at Exit 223,  They had the right lane of 40 closed last night, I guess tonight they will be closing the left lanes tonight to replace the 40/Green 85 sign.

So the removal of Business 85 through Greensboro has begun. US Highway 70 will be rerouted to Wendover Ave through Greensboro and Eastchester Dr through High Point towards Thomasville where they meet US Highway 29 (and join it).

Business 85 though High Point, Thomasville and Lexington is also in process of being removed as well.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #217 on: February 07, 2023, 03:40:03 PM »

Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #218 on: February 07, 2023, 03:52:54 PM »

Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?

US 29...because US 70 is being rerouted via NC 68 and Wendover Ave from High Point through Greensboro
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #219 on: February 07, 2023, 04:46:05 PM »

Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?

The exits will follow US 29 Mileage.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #220 on: February 07, 2023, 11:45:47 PM »

Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
The exits will follow US 29 Mileage.

Presumably, curiously though the sign plans do not show any of the exit signs along US 29, while they do show the new signs along I-40 and US 220 for the US 29 exit. For many of the signs they simply show removing the Business 85 shield from the existing sign since the US 70 relocation had not been approved yet. I assume some of these signs are now being replaced due to the removal of 2 shields. From looking at Waze it appears no work going on tonight, at least so far.

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #221 on: February 08, 2023, 02:07:01 AM »

Will Exits 33-35C be renumbered to correspond with US 29's mileage (Exits 122-124C), or US 70's mileage (Exits 219-221C)?
Presumably, curiously though the sign plans do not show any of the exit signs along US 29, while they do show the new signs along I-40 and US 220 for the US 29 exit. For many of the signs they simply show removing the Business 85 shield from the existing sign since the US 70 relocation had not been approved yet. I assume some of these signs are now being replaced due to the removal of 2 shields. From looking at Waze it appears no work going on tonight, at least so far.

The exits will follow US 29 Mileage.

They were working on the signs 29 South before the curve and ramp onto MLK.  Tuesday Night/Wednesday Morning
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #222 on: February 10, 2023, 09:46:11 PM »

Google Maps has new imagery posted on the new section heading eastbound... quite fast! It's only been open for a few weeks.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #223 on: February 11, 2023, 02:46:31 PM »

Google Maps has new imagery posted on the new section heading eastbound... quite fast! It's only been open for a few weeks.

Some of the westbound side is showing up as well.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #224 on: February 12, 2023, 10:16:10 AM »

I drove the entire 840 last night, and noticed that some advance exit signs are not installed yet. They have digital signs in place in the meantime. Interesting that it was permitted to open without the signage being complete.
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