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Started by mgk920, May 30, 2012, 02:33:31 AM

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Molandfreak

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 29, 2024, 08:18:28 PMThere is a DOT study about preserving the existing STH 64 Expressway Corridor: https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/nw/wis64freeway/default.aspx. Although they don't plan to expand STH 64 east of STH 65 at the present time, it is possible it may happen at some point in the future.
Further expansion of the STH 64 corridor would make the US 10 expressway to Marshfield seem reasonable by comparison.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2023, 08:24:57 PMAASHTO attributes 28.5% of highway inventory shrink to bad road fan social media posts.


peterj920

Happy New Year! Lots of big projects to loo forward to in Wisconsin.

I-41 reconstruction between Appleton and De Pere will be in full force by starting to work on the mainline.

Later in the year the I-94/East-West project is set to begin.

The I-43 North/South project should be close to finishing this year.

Wis 15 opened to 4 lanes of traffic which may be the last expansion from 2-4 lanes for quite some time.


mgk920

Quote from: peterj920 on January 02, 2025, 02:16:32 AMHappy New Year! Lots of big projects to loo forward to in Wisconsin.

I-41 reconstruction between Appleton and De Pere will be in full force by starting to work on the mainline.

Later in the year the I-94/East-West project is set to begin.

The I-43 North/South project should be close to finishing this year.

Wis 15 opened to 4 lanes of traffic which may be the last expansion from 2-4 lanes for quite some time.



Not a state highway (yet?), but the De Pere south crossing project is also under way.  There is grading work visible along I-41 for its interchange.

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 02, 2025, 02:16:32 AMHappy New Year! Lots of big projects to loo forward to in Wisconsin.

I-41 reconstruction between Appleton and De Pere will be in full force by starting to work on the mainline.

Later in the year the I-94/East-West project is set to begin.

The I-43 North/South project should be close to finishing this year.

Wis 15 opened to 4 lanes of traffic which may be the last expansion from 2-4 lanes for quite some time.



Not a state highway (yet?), but the De Pere south crossing project is also under way.  There is grading work visible along I-41 for its interchange.

Mike

I would think the section between I-41, crossing the river, and ending at WI-172 would eventually be a state highway right? (The section west of I-41 would be fine as a county highway.)

mgk920

Also, what is the status of the WI 23 upgrades east of Fond du Lac?

Mike

Big John

Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 02, 2025, 12:46:04 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 02, 2025, 02:16:32 AMHappy New Year! Lots of big projects to loo forward to in Wisconsin.

I-41 reconstruction between Appleton and De Pere will be in full force by starting to work on the mainline.

Later in the year the I-94/East-West project is set to begin.

The I-43 North/South project should be close to finishing this year.

Wis 15 opened to 4 lanes of traffic which may be the last expansion from 2-4 lanes for quite some time.



Not a state highway (yet?), but the De Pere south crossing project is also under way.  There is grading work visible along I-41 for its interchange.

Mike

I would think the section between I-41, crossing the river, and ending at WI-172 would eventually be a state highway right? (The section west of I-41 would be fine as a county highway.)
The west part will bend north to become the south end of Packerland Dr, which is County EB.

peterj920

Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 12:55:17 PMAlso, what is the status of the WI 23 upgrades east of Fond du Lac?

Mike

That's been done for a while now.

midwesternroadguy

Quote from: peterj920 on January 02, 2025, 02:16:32 AMHappy New Year! Lots of big projects to loo forward to in Wisconsin.

I-41 reconstruction between Appleton and De Pere will be in full force by starting to work on the mainline.

Later in the year the I-94/East-West project is set to begin.

The I-43 North/South project should be close to finishing this year.

Wis 15 opened to 4 lanes of traffic which may be the last expansion from 2-4 lanes for quite some time.



I wish that there was some progress on the Sauk City bypass particularly with the multi-decade construction backups we'll see on the interstate. 

I'd add the North Mendota Parkway to the wish list, even though it would be initiated by Dane County. 

mgk920

Quote from: peterj920 on January 02, 2025, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 12:55:17 PMAlso, what is the status of the WI 23 upgrades east of Fond du Lac?

Mike

That's been done for a while now.

Four lanes the whole way?  I'll have to check that out.

Mike

The Ghostbuster

The STH 23 expansion to four-lanes was completed in 2022 (I only wish they had given the interchanges exit numbers). As for the Sauk City Bypass and the North Mendota Parkway, I doubt either will ever be built.

mgk920

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 03, 2025, 03:14:56 PMThe STH 23 expansion to four-lanes was completed in 2022 (I only wish they had given the interchanges exit numbers). As for the Sauk City Bypass and the North Mendota Parkway, I doubt either will ever be built.

Eventually they will, but I'm laying awake at night in eager anticipation of them.

Mike

thspfc

I think the Sauk bypass gets built within the next 30 years. This "Mendota Parkway" is never happening. They'll just make marginal upgrades to WI-19, WI-113, CTH-M, and CTH-K.

The Ghostbuster

Google Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.

dvferyance

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2025, 10:38:43 PMGoogle Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.
I just noticed that today. Since WI-75 was 12 miles long and WI-195 is only 7 miles long that means they still have an extra 5 miles. So why not use those 5 miles to extend WI-142 back out to WI-31? I think that is more worthy of a state highway than KR ever was with the Amazon plant by the interstate.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: dvferyance on January 13, 2025, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2025, 10:38:43 PMGoogle Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.
I just noticed that today. Since WI-75 was 12 miles long and WI-195 is only 7 miles long that means they still have an extra 5 miles. So why not use those 5 miles to extend WI-142 back out to WI-31? I think that is more worthy of a state highway than KR ever was with the Amazon plant by the interstate.

Wasn't the WI-311 addition part of this "transaction" as well?

Big John

Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 13, 2025, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 13, 2025, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2025, 10:38:43 PMGoogle Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.
I just noticed that today. Since WI-75 was 12 miles long and WI-195 is only 7 miles long that means they still have an extra 5 miles. So why not use those 5 miles to extend WI-142 back out to WI-31? I think that is more worthy of a state highway than KR ever was with the Amazon plant by the interstate.

Wasn't the WI-311 addition part of this "transaction" as well?
Was that with the trunkation of STH 83 in Hartford?

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Big John on January 13, 2025, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 13, 2025, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 13, 2025, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2025, 10:38:43 PMGoogle Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.
I just noticed that today. Since WI-75 was 12 miles long and WI-195 is only 7 miles long that means they still have an extra 5 miles. So why not use those 5 miles to extend WI-142 back out to WI-31? I think that is more worthy of a state highway than KR ever was with the Amazon plant by the interstate.

Wasn't the WI-311 addition part of this "transaction" as well?
Was that with the trunkation of STH 83 in Hartford?

Ah yes. Thank you.

dvferyance

Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 13, 2025, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 13, 2025, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2025, 10:38:43 PMGoogle Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.
I just noticed that today. Since WI-75 was 12 miles long and WI-195 is only 7 miles long that means they still have an extra 5 miles. So why not use those 5 miles to extend WI-142 back out to WI-31? I think that is more worthy of a state highway than KR ever was with the Amazon plant by the interstate.

Wasn't the WI-311 addition part of this "transaction" as well?
I don't think so hasn't WI-311 been around for like 4 years now? Besides the argument for making KR a state highway because it has the feeling of one. So does Hwy S between 94 and 31. It feels like a state highway it's now a major route because of Amazon and Uhline you have an extra 5 miles so it would make sense to use it on that. Hwy 75 should have become an extension of Hwy S since that is what the road is north of 20. This would free up S in Kenosha County then the entire fmr route of 75 could become Hwy S. Would make more sense than BD.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: dvferyance on January 13, 2025, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 13, 2025, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 13, 2025, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 09, 2025, 10:38:43 PMGoogle Maps now shows STH 195 along former CTH KR east of Interstates 41/94. STH 75 has yet to be changed to CTH BD.
I just noticed that today. Since WI-75 was 12 miles long and WI-195 is only 7 miles long that means they still have an extra 5 miles. So why not use those 5 miles to extend WI-142 back out to WI-31? I think that is more worthy of a state highway than KR ever was with the Amazon plant by the interstate.

Wasn't the WI-311 addition part of this "transaction" as well?
I don't think so hasn't WI-311 been around for like 4 years now? Besides the argument for making KR a state highway because it has the feeling of one. So does Hwy S between 94 and 31. It feels like a state highway it's now a major route because of Amazon and Uhline you have an extra 5 miles so it would make sense to use it on that. Hwy 75 should have become an extension of Hwy S since that is what the road is north of 20. This would free up S in Kenosha County then the entire fmr route of 75 could become Hwy S. Would make more sense than BD.

KR was already a temporary state highway because of the Foxconn project. They just kept it and dropped WI-75.

There are dozens of county highways that "feel" like state highways so CTH-S is in good company.

peterj920

There's also a couple miles of Wis 50 that is freed up.

Better yet why doesn't WISDOT do a full evaluation of its state highways and try to get rid of some that are not needed like Wis 127 or 134?

TheCatalyst31

Quote from: peterj920 on January 14, 2025, 03:55:09 PMThere's also a couple miles of Wis 50 that is freed up.

Better yet why doesn't WISDOT do a full evaluation of its state highways and try to get rid of some that are not needed like Wis 127 or 134?

This comes up from time to time, and there are two reasons. The first is that there's no incentive to remove highway mileage unless you need to add new mileage. The second is that removed mileage usually has to come from the same DOT region as the new mileage, or else whichever region lost mileage will kick up a political fuss. (In practice this usually works against the more populous southeast region, but that's state politics for you.)

Rothman

Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on January 14, 2025, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on January 14, 2025, 03:55:09 PMThere's also a couple miles of Wis 50 that is freed up.

Better yet why doesn't WISDOT do a full evaluation of its state highways and try to get rid of some that are not needed like Wis 127 or 134?

This comes up from time to time, and there are two reasons. The first is that there's no incentive to remove highway mileage unless you need to add new mileage. The second is that removed mileage usually has to come from the same DOT region as the new mileage, or else whichever region lost mileage will kick up a political fuss. (In practice this usually works against the more populous southeast region, but that's state politics for you.)

It's interesting how different states have different financial incentives.  Right now, there's a quibbling between NYSDOT and a municipality over the maintenance of a 300-foot-long road, with the municipality claiming it's too much of a financial burden and putting forth an unfounded argument that the road is actually NYSDOT's.  NYSDOT's just telling the municipality that it isn't NYSDOT's.  Might all come down to dusting off very old documents to see if the municipality was ever notified of a jurisdiction change from decades ago due to some tangled NY law or regulation.

Point being, to bring WI's mentality into NY would mean that a more direct means of reflecting mileage into funding allocations would need to be found...and I'll stop there.

(personal opinion emphasized)
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

hobsini2

Honestly, a number of existing corridors in Wisconsin should either become county routes or an extension of a different number.

Wis 13 comes to mind. It should run on Wis 113 and Wis 213 to Beloit. The part north of US 2 should be an eastern extension of Wis 105. I hate routes that go from being north-south to east-west for no good reason. And yes I feel that way about my beloved Wis 23 as well.
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The Ghostbuster

STH 113 was designated as an alternative to STH 13 between Baraboo and Madison, and STH 213 was part of STH 13 until 1961 when STH 13 was retracted from the Illinois/Wisconsin border back to its present terminus in Wisconsin Dells. As for the suggested STH 105 extension, I consider it unnecessary.

SSOWorld

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 15, 2025, 08:48:09 AMHonestly, a number of existing corridors in Wisconsin should either become county routes or an extension of a different number.

Wis 13 comes to mind. It should run on Wis 113 and Wis 213 to Beloit. The part north of US 2 should be an eastern extension of Wis 105. I hate routes that go from being north-south to east-west for no good reason. And yes I feel that way about my beloved Wis 23 as well.
WIS 13 is turned so inside out at one point, that it's marked "NORTH" while going south (and vice-versa)
Scott O.

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