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Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 02:03:29 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7679354,-78.5139573,3a,44.8y,291.42h,100.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFmICsMMf3CTh26Dvth24Lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This one seems very weird looking I'm not sure why. Looks like a gun shot almost!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 18, 2021, 04:01:52 PM
How does it look like a gun shot?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
How does it look like a gun shot?
Cause the sign is in the middle and not the end
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on March 18, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
So....  ummmm....  do you mean a shotgun?  Not a gun shot?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 04:18:22 PM
So....  ummmm....  do you mean a shotgun?  Not a gun shot?
Yeah
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on March 18, 2021, 04:20:51 PM
I don't think the sign looks odd. I think the gantry looks unnecessarily large, but I don't seen anything odd about the sign itself. To be fair, I've been seeing the LGSs for the Seminary Road exit on I-395 in Virginia (https://goo.gl/maps/TYUeCbdm2GWhVue57) for over 40 years now.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on March 18, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
That cantilever arm is clearly way too long for the EXIT ONLY sign mounted on it.  But it irritates me when an appropriate-length arm is used and still the sign is mounted so the arm sticks out the other side, like this:  https://goo.gl/maps/oNqyk5ty76xncLpdA
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 04:37:28 PM
I don't think the sign looks odd. I think the gantry looks unnecessarily large, but I don't seen anything odd about the sign itself. To be fair, I've been seeing the LGSs for the Seminary Road exit on I-395 in Virginia (https://goo.gl/maps/TYUeCbdm2GWhVue57) for over 40 years now.
Damn. That sign did hold up pretty well.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 18, 2021, 04:42:27 PM
Here's one in my area that isn't mounted properly vertically (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2715207,-84.350659,3a,22.9y,241.2h,95.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkMMRcIBjCFiUHq5bIZyuA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

Also worth pointing out that that's the only sign in the interchange that still uses series B digits for the I-275 and somehow haven't been replaced when taken off the bridge mount. The rest of the signs in the interchange have been replaced with series C ones.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 04:53:07 PM
Here's one in my area that isn't mounted properly vertically (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2715207,-84.350659,3a,22.9y,241.2h,95.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkMMRcIBjCFiUHq5bIZyuA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

Also worth pointing out that that's the only sign in the interchange that still uses series B digits for the I-275 and somehow haven't been replaced when taken off the bridge mount. The rest of the signs in the interchange have been replaced with series C ones.
The one where the I-440 and knightdale bypass split looks strange aswell
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on March 18, 2021, 06:03:26 PM
I don't think the sign looks odd. I think the gantry looks unnecessarily large, but I don't seen anything odd about the sign itself. To be fair, I've been seeing the LGSs for the Seminary Road exit on I-395 in Virginia (https://goo.gl/maps/TYUeCbdm2GWhVue57) for over 40 years now.
Damn. That sign did hold up pretty well.

No, no, sorry if I was unclear. I didn’t mean that exact piece of metal, and that sign has in fact been replaced, first with a Clearview version and later with a revised one of about the same size reflecting that the exit was modified to have two lanes (both exit-only). But the signs are more or less carbon copies of the old one in terms of size. That’s all I meant—I’ve been passing smaller signs like that one for over 40 years, so the sign you posted didn’t seem odd to me.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on March 18, 2021, 06:09:16 PM
But it irritates me when an appropriate-length arm is used and still the sign is mounted so the arm sticks out the other side, like this:  https://goo.gl/maps/oNqyk5ty76xncLpdA

Yikes. Same here. Good candidate for the "minor things that bother you" thread.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on March 18, 2021, 06:15:54 PM
But it irritates me when an appropriate-length arm is used and still the sign is mounted so the arm sticks out the other side, like this:  https://goo.gl/maps/oNqyk5ty76xncLpdA

Yikes. Same here. Good candidate for the "minor things that bother you" thread.

How about when the gantry sticks up past the top of the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/2E82wHtkNHfMAzhi7)?  :thumbdown:

(Looks like you’ll have to pan that one down.)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 18, 2021, 06:19:30 PM
But it irritates me when an appropriate-length arm is used and still the sign is mounted so the arm sticks out the other side, like this:  https://goo.gl/maps/oNqyk5ty76xncLpdA

Yikes. Same here. Good candidate for the "minor things that bother you" thread.

How about when the gantry sticks up past the top of the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/2E82wHtkNHfMAzhi7)?  :thumbdown:

(Looks like you’ll have to pan that one down.)
Pretty much the opposite of what I have above, not sure which one is worse.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 18, 2021, 06:48:54 PM
How does it look like a gun shot?

The best I can imagine is something like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/25iiqu8.png)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 07:08:46 PM
Lol. What's funny is that sign is on the middle of the gantry and not on the end.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 18, 2021, 07:35:53 PM
But it irritates me when an appropriate-length arm is used and still the sign is mounted so the arm sticks out the other side, like this:  https://goo.gl/maps/oNqyk5ty76xncLpdA

Yikes. Same here. Good candidate for the "minor things that bother you" thread.

How about when the gantry sticks up past the top of the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/2E82wHtkNHfMAzhi7)?  :thumbdown:

(Looks like you’ll have to pan that one down.)

That's not the gantry itself, but rather the attachment brackets. I've seen them referred to as z-bars, but I don't know if that's an official term or not.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on March 18, 2021, 09:44:27 PM
But it irritates me when an appropriate-length arm is used and still the sign is mounted so the arm sticks out the other side, like this:  https://goo.gl/maps/oNqyk5ty76xncLpdA

Yikes. Same here. Good candidate for the "minor things that bother you" thread.

How about when the gantry sticks up past the top of the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/2E82wHtkNHfMAzhi7)?  :thumbdown:

(Looks like you’ll have to pan that one down.)

That's not the gantry itself, but rather the attachment brackets. I've seen them referred to as z-bars, but I don't know if that's an official term or not.

Either way, still ugly!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 18, 2021, 09:55:42 PM
How about when the gantry sticks up past the top of the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/2E82wHtkNHfMAzhi7)?  :thumbdown:

I hate that, too.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 10:00:12 PM
How about when the gantry sticks up past the top of the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/2E82wHtkNHfMAzhi7)?  :thumbdown:

I hate that, too.
US-264 going towards Wilson is like that too (with I-587 going on it soon), but google street view only goes up to 2019.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 18, 2021, 11:17:47 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT  (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Big John on March 18, 2021, 11:25:19 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
Georgia has banned cantilevered gantries, so there are more of those there.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 11:26:41 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT  (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
They are just spending unecessary money on that signage. wtf

That martin luther king jr sign is garbage. small font as well as that hospital sign on the overhead. you can almost not read it.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 18, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT  (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Your ODOT needs to get on (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5708641,-97.5140158,3a,75y,179.06h,83.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPvZ2X8sSHCffnRv5WmrcsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) my ODOT's (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5860981,-97.513599,3a,60y,196.81h,84.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUEyfMl0QhRXQEsQ1V4F0oQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) level (http://www.okhighways.com/041103/us77sgantry.JPG).
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 18, 2021, 11:46:15 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT  (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
They are just spending unecessary money on that signage. wtf

That martin luther king jr sign is garbage. small font as well as that hospital sign on the overhead. you can almost not read it.
That sign is a minor annoyance to me too. Could've split the 'Martin Luther King Jr Dr" into two lines like this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1405905,-84.4844456,3a,75y,208.23h,94.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDmnxXXfre8wvjpMNCS4jfA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) ahead
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 19, 2021, 12:20:27 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT  (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Your ODOT needs to get on (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5708641,-97.5140158,3a,75y,179.06h,83.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPvZ2X8sSHCffnRv5WmrcsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) my ODOT's (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5860981,-97.513599,3a,60y,196.81h,84.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUEyfMl0QhRXQEsQ1V4F0oQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) level (http://www.okhighways.com/041103/us77sgantry.JPG).
When I was picking out my Ohio examples and using 'ODOT', I was thinking "Surely, Oklahoma or Oregon can't be worse than this, right?". Guess I'm wrong about that again.

Also, is the last one of your examples just one taken before signs are installed, or were there actually no plans for signs to go on that gantry?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 19, 2021, 12:25:05 AM
According to Eric Stuve,
Quote from: okroads
For a time, this sign gantry just south of the Hefner Rd. exit on U.S. 77 South was the home to a "Lane Ends Merge Right" sign, as the left lane ended just ahead. Once the lane was extended 1 1/2 miles further south, the sign was taken down, and the gantry remains in place, with no signs on it whatsoever.

The photo was taken in 2003, and I want to say it stayed that way for at least 10 years (I remember driving under it at least once myself). I just now tried to hunt for it on GSV and couldn't find it, so I guess at some point it got some more signs on it or got removed.

ETA: On further inspection: here it is (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5822628,-97.5141142,3a,75y,169.02h,92.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saON2KkFT5l5jFyix5FfOdg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), empty as late as September 2011. It looks like by May 2012 they put a VMS on it.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 19, 2021, 12:27:53 AM
According to Eric Stuve,
Quote from: okroads
For a time, this sign gantry just south of the Hefner Rd. exit on U.S. 77 South was the home to a "Lane Ends Merge Right" sign, as the left lane ended just ahead. Once the lane was extended 1 1/2 miles further south, the sign was taken down, and the gantry remains in place, with no signs on it whatsoever.

The photo was taken in 2003, and I want to say it stayed that way for at least 10 years (I remember driving under it at least once myself). I just now tried to hunt for it on GSV and couldn't find it, so I guess at some point it got some more signs on it or got removed.
Found it on GSV, it seems to be home to a VMS display now. (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5823532,-97.5141071,3a,75y,177.6h,86.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJL1ioTYczmmCU6DXbh5GOw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Interesting that it was left empty for a decade.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on March 19, 2021, 10:35:33 AM
At least tack onto the end of an existing gantry—Wichita style (https://goo.gl/maps/zMq4zCX1ik3cmnC18)!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 19, 2021, 10:57:33 AM
According to Eric Stuve,
Quote from: okroads
For a time, this sign gantry just south of the Hefner Rd. exit on U.S. 77 South was the home to a "Lane Ends Merge Right" sign, as the left lane ended just ahead. Once the lane was extended 1 1/2 miles further south, the sign was taken down, and the gantry remains in place, with no signs on it whatsoever.

The photo was taken in 2003, and I want to say it stayed that way for at least 10 years (I remember driving under it at least once myself). I just now tried to hunt for it on GSV and couldn't find it, so I guess at some point it got some more signs on it or got removed.

ETA: On further inspection: here it is (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5822628,-97.5141142,3a,75y,169.02h,92.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saON2KkFT5l5jFyix5FfOdg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), empty as late as September 2011. It looks like by May 2012 they put a VMS on it.

Identical situation on the long ramp from I-295 NB to I-95 NB north of Richmond (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6599087,-77.4464003,3a,75y,354.77h,81.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh5Q7ytaQ0RJ-gjn5gy6GoA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) - there used to be a "lane ends 3 miles" sign over the left lane, but with the lane re-configurations on I-95 at exit 86 & 89, this lane no longer ends and continues as I-95 NB's left lane.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 19, 2021, 02:18:58 PM
At least tack onto the end of an existing gantry—Wichita style (https://goo.gl/maps/zMq4zCX1ik3cmnC18)!

In Northeast Kansas, this placement is usually reserved for next-three-exit menus. Here, though, the classic Kansas Nothing Sign makes an appearance.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 19, 2021, 03:45:07 PM
ISTHA (https://goo.gl/maps/NKsavkvGrLze5yQq6) has a (https://goo.gl/maps/G9cZdmhnpEAnd3UMA) few as well (https://goo.gl/maps/52PnXHpkruvP2MkA7). Last one is a BOGO free.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on March 19, 2021, 03:49:05 PM
I created this (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13198) thread in 2014 (which is about solar glare in general, not just the one sign), but since it had a Google Maps API link, which has since broken:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5278218,-71.5325353,3a,75y,74.26h,93.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4HdqpYgFm0eYFGfLmHCoSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 19, 2021, 04:23:08 PM
ISTHA (https://goo.gl/maps/NKsavkvGrLze5yQq6)

Oh gross, Clearview digits in a route shield...
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on March 19, 2021, 04:24:18 PM
ISTHA (https://goo.gl/maps/NKsavkvGrLze5yQq6)

Oh gross, Clearview digits in a route shield...

Brandon, take note of this.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on March 20, 2021, 08:45:12 AM
ISTHA (https://goo.gl/maps/NKsavkvGrLze5yQq6)

Oh gross, Clearview digits in a route shield...

You might like this. (https://goo.gl/maps/shUEWVaWkjmAE2Wx9)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 20, 2021, 11:29:38 AM
At least tack onto the end of an existing gantry—Wichita style (https://goo.gl/maps/zMq4zCX1ik3cmnC18)!
We had one that was similar, but it has been removed since then.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6890674,-78.8606229,3a,38.6y,295.22h,95.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so8vHd5_Ql0-RNzF_6mroeA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 07:47:19 PM
ISTHA (https://goo.gl/maps/NKsavkvGrLze5yQq6) has a (https://goo.gl/maps/G9cZdmhnpEAnd3UMA) few as well (https://goo.gl/maps/52PnXHpkruvP2MkA7). Last one is a BOGO free.
And the last 2 Joe posted are NEW installations when I-90 was widened a few years ago.  The first one he posted always puzzled me because it had been a right side gantry.

BTW Scott, enough people complained or the Tollway saw the issue themselves and have replaced a majority the instances of "Clearview numbers" in the last year. And on the brand new signs, they are not using Clearview font in the text either.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Mergingtraffic on March 21, 2021, 04:28:39 PM
This pole is crooked.  Not really facing straight and it's a little tilted.  But button copy though.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51054057102_72dda39a34_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Occidental Tourist on March 22, 2021, 12:27:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0T9DLcQ.jpg)

Similar situation here with a C/D lane on the 405 south in Long Beach, California at the Bellflower Blvd exit.  The overhead for the exit is at an angle, and because the mounting base sits higher than others, the sign is taller than a normal sign.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 22, 2021, 12:28:37 AM
This pole is crooked.  Not really facing straight and it's a little tilted.  But button copy though.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51054057102_72dda39a34_c.jpg)
Crooked signs seem to be a common occurrence with NYC area signs from what I see so far.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 27, 2021, 12:43:04 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: stridentweasel on March 27, 2021, 12:47:08 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF

These are things that would be noticed by a perfectionist who has never been to Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Occidental Tourist on March 27, 2021, 01:13:38 AM
I get how “Inner” and “Outer” work, but it seems like for a lot of motorists, particularly those who don’t contemplate spatial relationships well, Inner and Outer would be a lot more confusing than cardinal directions.  My wife, for example, would go nuts trying to figure out which way to go if confronted with Inner and Outer at a set of freeway on-ramps.

Are there many other examples of beltways that use Inner and Outer?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 27, 2021, 01:16:29 AM
I get how “Inner” and “Outer” work, but it seems like for a lot of motorists, particularly those who don’t contemplate spatial relationships well, Inner and Outer would be a lot more confusing than cardinal directions.  My wife, for example, would go nuts trying to figure out which way to go if confronted with Inner and Outer at a set of freeway on-ramps.

Are there many other examples of beltways that use Inner and Outer?
I-440 in Raleigh used to until 2010.

And I think it's cause of that I-40 concurrency is what made it confusing.

And for I-485, it's cause it goes in a complete circle.

I-840 in Greensboro won't surprisingly though (wish it did), but it's fine. I wish I-85 was moved back on its old alignment so I-840 can take over but given the how the highway was made for I-85 (the southern bypass), it is highly unlikely it will be moved back.

AND it was supposed to be for I-40 to go on as well, but because of noise, they moved it back on its old alignment.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Rothman on March 27, 2021, 07:43:29 AM
Capital Beltway, I-495, uses Inner and Outer on some signage.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: epzik8 on March 27, 2021, 09:45:03 AM
Capital Beltway, I-495, uses Inner and Outer on some signage.
So does the Baltimore Beltway, but only as a supplement to the directional markers.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 27, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF

Other than the arguably incompliant use of APL signage, this sign is practically flawless. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 27, 2021, 11:19:23 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF
My main complaint here would be the use of an APL signage. I think it's best to use 3 non-APL (one for the 485 through movement, two for the exit to I-85) panels for that interchange.
For the actual 485 number, your first example looks like Series B digits on the 485, while the second one have Series D digits. I'm not sure which type NC uses the most (federal guidelines is Series C btw), but weird seeing them use two number (and shield) sizes for the  485 at the same interchange.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 27, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF

Other than the arguably incompliant use of APL signage, this sign is practically flawless. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

On the first link, the "e" in "Matthews" appears to be extremely scared of the "h".
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 27, 2021, 05:22:14 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2642011,-77.6393393,3a,18.5y,259.5h,108.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKQ9V657GnOcJUgBl0va2qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) one is funny too. it says "next, right?" Like it's saying this comes up next, right?

Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on March 27, 2021, 06:18:10 PM
"NEXT RIGHT" is standard for supplemental signage approaching an exit in Oklahoma (used in place of the exit number on the bottom line that most states will use). Sometimes you'll see "SECOND RIGHT" as well, especially at cloverleaves.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 27, 2021, 06:26:00 PM
"NEXT RIGHT" is standard for supplemental signage approaching an exit in Oklahoma (used in place of the exit number on the bottom line that most states will use). Sometimes you'll see "SECOND RIGHT" as well, especially at cloverleaves.
They don't do that here in North Carolina anymore. They usually put an arrow or put the exit number.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on March 30, 2021, 09:45:56 AM

This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF

These are things that would be noticed by a perfectionist who has never been to Oklahoma.

I can't even tell what I'm supposed to be noticing about the letter e.  It just looks like a letter e to me.

This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2642011,-77.6393393,3a,18.5y,259.5h,108.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKQ9V657GnOcJUgBl0va2qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) one is funny too. it says "next, right?" Like it's saying this comes up next, right?

Huh?  'NEXT RIGHT' is completely normal signage.  Nothing funny about it.  No more than 'MERGE RIGHT' is saying 'merge, right?'
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on March 30, 2021, 09:49:29 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e


I can't even tell what I'm supposed to be noticing about the letter e.  It just looks like a letter e to me.

In the first link, the e is much closer to the w than the h. In the second, it's centered.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 30, 2021, 10:06:57 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e


I can't even tell what I'm supposed to be noticing about the letter e.  It just looks like a letter e to me.

In the first link, the e is much closer to the w than the h. In the second, it's centered.
If that's the worst that NCDOT can do, I'd say they're doing just fine. I literally did not notice until you pointed it out.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 30, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
If that's the worst that NCDOT can do, I'd say they're doing just fine. I literally did not notice until you pointed it out.
NCDOT can do worse, as I-74 exists in the state, and there's signage with I-74  :bigass:. I think the fact that I-74 exists in NC is a bigger issue than the offset e.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on March 30, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
Wow.  If I look just four inches away from it on the computer screen, I can't even tell it isn't centered between the other letters.  That's picking some nits!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 30, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
If that's the worst that NCDOT can do, I'd say they're doing just fine. I literally did not notice until you pointed it out.
NCDOT can do worse, as I-74 exists in the state, and there's signage with I-74  :bigass:. I think the fact that I-74 exists in NC is a bigger issue than the offset e.

Actually, I'd argue this on the other side of the road (https://goo.gl/maps/EPLoXwkhcsqEDR2f6) is more irritating. What a waste of space!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on March 30, 2021, 02:42:22 PM
Wow.  If I look just four inches away from it on the computer screen, I can't even tell it isn't centered between the other letters.  That's picking some nits!

Maybe I have a technical eye, but it was pretty obvious to me. It looks like Matth ews.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 30, 2021, 06:53:57 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2642011,-77.6393393,3a,18.5y,259.5h,108.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKQ9V657GnOcJUgBl0va2qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) one is funny too. it says "next, right?" Like it's saying this comes up next, right?

Huh?  'NEXT RIGHT' is completely normal signage.  Nothing funny about it.  No more than 'MERGE RIGHT' is saying 'merge, right?'
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It may be confusing to some others. I would prefer they use the arrow. Merge makes more sense to me though
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on March 30, 2021, 06:59:46 PM
If that's the worst that NCDOT can do, I'd say they're doing just fine. I literally did not notice until you pointed it out.
NCDOT can do worse, as I-74 exists in the state, and there's signage with I-74  :bigass:. I think the fact that I-74 exists in NC is a bigger issue than the offset e.

Actually, I'd argue this on the other side of the road (https://goo.gl/maps/EPLoXwkhcsqEDR2f6) is more irritating. What a waste of space!
The space could be used to add Derita Rd. It seems like Mallard Creek Rd NB ends shortly after the interchange and continues as Derita Rd.

EDIT: I just checked the ramp signage, and Mallard Creek Rd is signed E-W when it clearly looked like N-S to me on the map. There's also extra space on the sign for NB "East" Mallard Creek Rd, which could be used to add the other road name.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on March 30, 2021, 07:09:17 PM
If that's the worst that NCDOT can do, I'd say they're doing just fine. I literally did not notice until you pointed it out.
NCDOT can do worse, as I-74 exists in the state, and there's signage with I-74  :bigass:. I think the fact that I-74 exists in NC is a bigger issue than the offset e.

Actually, I'd argue this on the other side of the road (https://goo.gl/maps/EPLoXwkhcsqEDR2f6) is more irritating. What a waste of space!
The space could be used to add Derita Rd. It seems like Mallard Creek Rd NB ends shortly after the interchange and continues as Derita Rd.

EDIT: I just checked the ramp signage, and Mallard Creek Rd is signed E-W when it clearly looked like N-S to me on the map. There's also extra space on the sign for NB "East" Mallard Creek Rd, which could be used to add the other road name.
Was going to say that as well. They could use that space to add another road name.

Seems like there's space to add Derita Rd here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3619708,-80.7469032,3a,75y,302.65h,101.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDwRKlv4nOvZVgKK55Z9wTw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) aswell.

Or is it Amanda Ellen Rd to Ridge Rd.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 02, 2021, 10:26:37 PM
Like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.086174,-77.0327724,3a,35.8y,344.35h,100.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s932uxLO2JqZCU6Y9IE5mIg!2e0!5s20190501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) Bayboro/Washington sign should have an arrow pointing down at the lane that says "EXIT ONLY". Definitely makes it easier for people to navigate.

This segment is under construction, so I'm sure they will fix all of the arrow errors and whatnot.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: MCRoads on April 03, 2021, 01:31:04 PM
CDOT (https://goo.gl/maps/UgWfj4RFmqYBppQy7) can (https://goo.gl/maps/VQStLD6rFe67ipW97) do (https://goo.gl/maps/JUTNgNACHQmeuN2W6) it, (https://goo.gl/maps/LXfTyZUT17gv7Hgf7) too! (https://goo.gl/maps/su6FVdbHxUKpW1hLA)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 03, 2021, 07:45:07 PM
CDOT (https://goo.gl/maps/UgWfj4RFmqYBppQy7) can (https://goo.gl/maps/VQStLD6rFe67ipW97) do (https://goo.gl/maps/JUTNgNACHQmeuN2W6) it, (https://goo.gl/maps/LXfTyZUT17gv7Hgf7) too! (https://goo.gl/maps/su6FVdbHxUKpW1hLA)
I only see the US-264 I-795 split have that.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: machias on April 03, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF

Other than the arguably incompliant use of APL signage, this sign is practically flawless. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

On the first link, the "e" in "Matthews" appears to be extremely scared of the "h".

"Spartanburg" has something weird going on with the spacing of letters on the latter half of the word. That being said, I would say I don't find it a big deal.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 06, 2021, 01:08:06 PM
Like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.086174,-77.0327724,3a,35.8y,344.35h,100.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s932uxLO2JqZCU6Y9IE5mIg!2e0!5s20190501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) Bayboro/Washington sign should have an arrow pointing down at the lane that says "EXIT ONLY". Definitely makes it easier for people to navigate.

This segment is under construction, so I'm sure they will fix all of the arrow errors and whatnot.

Hate to break it to you, but a missing EXIT ONLY plaque is hardly noteworthy.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on April 06, 2021, 03:29:25 PM
Like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.086174,-77.0327724,3a,35.8y,344.35h,100.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s932uxLO2JqZCU6Y9IE5mIg!2e0!5s20190501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) Bayboro/Washington sign should have an arrow pointing down at the lane that says "EXIT ONLY". Definitely makes it easier for people to navigate.

This segment is under construction, so I'm sure they will fix all of the arrow errors and whatnot.

Hate to break it to you, but a missing EXIT ONLY plaque is hardly noteworthy.

I'm not sure how it is in other areas, but here in NY, it would be somewhat noteworthy, especially in the 1/4 mile range.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 06, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.086174,-77.0327724,3a,35.8y,344.35h,100.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s932uxLO2JqZCU6Y9IE5mIg!2e0!5s20190501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) Bayboro/Washington sign should have an arrow pointing down at the lane that says "EXIT ONLY". Definitely makes it easier for people to navigate.

This segment is under construction, so I'm sure they will fix all of the arrow errors and whatnot.

Hate to break it to you, but a missing EXIT ONLY plaque is hardly noteworthy.

I'm not sure how it is in other areas, but here in NY, it would be somewhat noteworthy, especially in the 1/4 mile range.

An issue here is that there are other exits along the way, such as the one right at where the sign is located.  Usually the 'Exit Only' is located when there are no other intersections/interchanges after it.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on April 06, 2021, 08:44:23 PM
Hate to break it to you, but a missing EXIT ONLY plaque is hardly noteworthy.

I'm not sure how it is in other areas, but here in NY, it would be somewhat noteworthy, especially in the 1/4 mile range.

An issue here is that there are other exits along the way, such as the one right at where the sign is located.  Usually the 'Exit Only' is located when there are no other intersections/interchanges after it.

I see that now that I look a bit more closely. That makes more sense for the 1/2 mile exit.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:01:58 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: rarnold on April 07, 2021, 09:54:46 PM
This thread reads like "the DOT fired me for incompetence and now I am going to stick it to them with piddly crap."
These posts need to come with a disclaimer:

This poster is a petty bitch, is seeing things, and more than likely, both.
Proceed with caution, and possibly a puke bucket.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on April 07, 2021, 10:45:09 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).
What? The arrows look fine to me.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 10:45:48 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).
What? The arrows look fine to me.
They are not pointing at an angle.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Big John on April 07, 2021, 10:50:16 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).
What? The arrows look fine to me.
The left lane is also exit only but the sign doesn't reflect that.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on April 07, 2021, 10:51:37 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).
What? The arrows look fine to me.
The left lane is also exit only but the sign doesn't reflect that.
Just saw that now. Only a minor issue though, as the sign isn't really past the gore point yet despite the left lane being exit only at that point.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on April 08, 2021, 03:38:20 AM
This thread reads like "the DOT fired me for incompetence and now I am going to stick it to them with piddly crap."
These posts need to come with a disclaimer:

This poster is a petty bitch, is seeing things, and more than likely, both.
Proceed with caution, and possibly a puke bucket.

If it bothers you, why the hell are you on this forum? We're all petty bitches.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: formulanone on April 08, 2021, 07:26:53 AM
This thread reads like "the DOT fired me for incompetence and now I am going to stick it to them with piddly crap."
These posts need to come with a disclaimer:

This poster is a petty bitch, is seeing things, and more than likely, both.
Proceed with caution, and possibly a puke bucket.

If it bothers you, why the hell are you on this forum? We're all petty bitches.

Honestly, the occasional guide sign kern ing issue is fairly common, and isn't a big deal after you've seen like fifty of them scattered around the nation.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 08, 2021, 09:14:37 AM
This thread reads like "the DOT fired me for incompetence and now I am going to stick it to them with piddly crap."
These posts need to come with a disclaimer:

This poster is a petty bitch, is seeing things, and more than likely, both.
Proceed with caution, and possibly a puke bucket.

If it bothers you, why the hell are you on this forum? We're all petty bitches.

Honestly, the occasional guide sign kern ing issue is fairly common, and isn't a big deal after you've seen like fifty of them scattered around the nation.

This is a forum dedicated to roads and road signs though, so naturally all errors big and small must be criticized.  :-P
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: TheGrassGuy on April 08, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
The weird empty gantries on I-287 in Morris County, leftovers from what used to be HOV lanes.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 08, 2021, 10:46:26 AM


This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).

What? The arrows look fine to me.

They are not pointing at an angle.

Is that not up to 2000 and 2003 MUTCD spec?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: formulanone on April 08, 2021, 11:15:25 AM
To me, this is strange, because it includes everything but a wig-wag signal. Thankfully, there's not a lot like this:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4523/26805285859_d97687c4ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GQG6B2)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on April 08, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
To me, this is strange, because it includes everything but a wig-wag signal. Thankfully, there's not a lot like this:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4523/26805285859_d97687c4ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GQG6B2)

Perhaps it's because I'm used to reversible lanes (such as the I-595 express lanes, which are similar to the ones on I-395 here in Virginia), but I don't see anything particularly odd about that assembly, aside from finding it a bit ugly that the vertical poles protrude so far above the gantry.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 08, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
To me, this is strange, because it includes everything but a wig-wag signal. Thankfully, there's not a lot like this:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4523/26805285859_d97687c4ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GQG6B2)


but


The arrows look fine to me.

They are not pointing at an angle.

 :wow:
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 08, 2021, 12:12:35 PM


This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.053914,-79.9179791,3a,44.5y,175.04h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUZnP4vUUw_nytYLuVlsfCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) one also has issues with the arrows (but, I'm sure it will get replaced).

What? The arrows look fine to me.

They are not pointing at an angle.

Is that not up to 2000 and 2003 MUTCD spec?
They are fine, they are just old-school looking.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 08, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
Seems like NCDOT stopped using the EXIT ONLY when both lanes do not exit.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6873756,-77.9667921,3a,63.5y,148.43h,98.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCvmjurGCLEWugmtEuM7N_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 This was installed in 2006.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 08, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Seems like NCDOT stopped using the EXIT ONLY when both lanes do not exit.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6873756,-77.9667921,3a,63.5y,148.43h,98.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCvmjurGCLEWugmtEuM7N_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 This was installed in 2006.

That was the pre-2009 standard.  Nothing strange at all about that.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 08, 2021, 05:12:17 PM
Who thinks that this sign would need an overhead?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4179727,-77.9281422,3a,75y,288.32h,90.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svRTt1dhBYHuar_pMOl8hZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 08, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Who thinks that this sign would need an overhead?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4179727,-77.9281422,3a,75y,288.32h,90.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svRTt1dhBYHuar_pMOl8hZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

Nah.  Looks fine (https://goo.gl/maps/opFRj9YgdefChPMc6) with the trees trimmed.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 08, 2021, 05:17:57 PM
To me, this is strange, because it includes everything but a wig-wag signal. Thankfully, there's not a lot like this:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4523/26805285859_d97687c4ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GQG6B2)

Perhaps it's because I'm used to reversible lanes (such as the I-595 express lanes, which are similar to the ones on I-395 here in Virginia), but I don't see anything particularly odd about that assembly, aside from finding it a bit ugly that the vertical poles protrude so far above the gantry.

They were definitely cutting corners on that one. They're not even the same height.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 10, 2021, 02:08:22 AM
Sorry, but too hilarious  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7390562,-78.0094874,3a,75y,284.24h,82.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTiYKN1X_l5-hD71J3e1l6w!2e0!5s20090301T000000!7i3328!8i1664
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on April 10, 2021, 02:09:07 AM
Explain the humor to me.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 10, 2021, 02:13:47 AM
Explain the humor to me.
I have no idea how that happened but it looks like a vehicle hit it.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: renegade on April 10, 2021, 01:58:39 PM
Explain the humor to me.
I have no idea how that happened but it looks like a vehicle hit it.
Maybe it was yet to be installed ?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Big John on April 10, 2021, 04:18:45 PM
A later photo shows the side supports were replaced and the truss may have been reused.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 10, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
Explain the humor to me.
I have no idea how that happened but it looks like a vehicle hit it.
Maybe it was yet to be installed ?
It was installed in 2003.

Edit: I think it was 1999 or 2000. The Wilson bypass was done in 2 phases.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 13, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 14, 2021, 09:20:22 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 14, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?
Cause they are weird looking.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 14, 2021, 11:15:36 AM


https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?

Cause they are weird looking.

That's not what I was getting at.

Newborn wombats are weird-looking too, but they don't belong in this thread either.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2014/08/20/article-2730137-20A9CEC600000578-193_636x382.jpg)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 14, 2021, 11:18:09 AM


https://www.google.com/maps/@36.057971,-76.6739286,3a,38.5y,111.3h,88.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5x4JGkylGOqg5JK-H35gxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3990227,-77.9934222,3a,35.9y,103.82h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saLK9RhTaYCv1Sxsw4zw6NA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Signs are abnormally small.

Fairgrounds and Governor Charles B. Aycock

Why did you post them in this thread?

Cause they are weird looking.

That's not what I was getting at.

Newborn wombats are weird-looking too, but they don't belong in this thread either.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2014/08/20/article-2730137-20A9CEC600000578-193_636x382.jpg)
I was saying how can people read that at a tiny font size?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on April 14, 2021, 11:18:36 AM
It's not overhead.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on April 14, 2021, 11:24:26 AM
It's not overhead.

bingo
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Occidental Tourist on April 15, 2021, 01:32:28 AM
Maybe tolbs17 is really short.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on April 15, 2021, 03:54:21 PM
Most signs are overhead if you're not in a car. But most people take "overhead" to mean "posted above the travel lanes".
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 15, 2021, 09:40:15 PM
Maybe tolbs17 is really short.
no
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Occidental Tourist on April 15, 2021, 11:30:48 PM
I tried.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: interstatefan990 on April 16, 2021, 12:13:31 AM
Key difference is between overhead and over head.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 19, 2021, 10:57:28 PM
Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on April 20, 2021, 02:13:03 AM
Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 20, 2021, 02:56:20 AM
Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)
And DDIs.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on April 24, 2021, 05:43:57 PM
Eastbound US-264 heading into Greenville at the Highway 11 bypass the "Greenville DOWNTOWN" sign is placed odd. they should have made it look more like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5935566,-79.1116279,3a,18.4y,275.39h,95.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1SuHvZH41rX9oyIFr6ZWNQ!2e0!5s20191001T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) without the lighting.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 02, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
The one that says "Louisburg" looks funny. And both signs need replacement because of the wear and tear.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8614408,-78.547374,3a,71.3y,318.44h,99.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2nkwsjCmCn13pZHCmqYFhw!2e0!5s20180901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on May 02, 2021, 02:53:20 PM
Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)

Most diamond interchanges don't have a split at the end of the exit ramp.  Where there is a split (SPUI or DDI) I usually see directional signs.

I've never thought about it before, but you raise a valid question of why is there a standard of posting directional signage on a SPUI or DDI ramp but not on a traditional diamond ramp.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on May 03, 2021, 05:08:48 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
I'm questioning why almost every BGS design was used for the I-81/88 interchange. You have the APL linked, then a Junction sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.123492,-75.9058149,3a,46.2y,11.53h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIzWrCnJmwV_QtRLCd-M06w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location, then a diagrammatic (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1323156,-75.9033458,3a,75y,3.66h,100.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9kSChJ7NqKXb6nwqkbG5A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1), then finally, the 2 panel display (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1390268,-75.9020488,3a,75y,8h,93.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDOJYQN3lDqtnf8IAkv5oYA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with angled arrows for the exit. Can they pick one type and stick with it?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on May 03, 2021, 05:31:01 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
I'm questioning why almost every BGS design was used for the I-81/88 interchange. You have the APL linked, then a Junction sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.123492,-75.9058149,3a,46.2y,11.53h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIzWrCnJmwV_QtRLCd-M06w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location, then a diagrammatic (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1323156,-75.9033458,3a,75y,3.66h,100.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9kSChJ7NqKXb6nwqkbG5A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1), then finally, the 2 panel display (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1390268,-75.9020488,3a,75y,8h,93.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDOJYQN3lDqtnf8IAkv5oYA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with angled arrows for the exit. Can they pick one type and stick with it?

Yeah, it leaves a lot to be desired. The APL I originally linked to went up as part of the I-81/I-86/NY 17 (Prospect Mountain interchange (https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/region9/projects/prospect-mountain-route-17)) overhaul, while the other 3 in your post are all much older and should be replaced, IMO. NY uses APL's now, so if these were replaced, the diagrammatic would presumably become an APL. And yes, it is ridiculous that the "JCT I-88" comes after the APL... even though I have some serious issues with the APL, that 3/4 mile advance should probably be eliminated altogether.

I'll follow up in a separate post with some of my own suggestions for improved signage here.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Big John on May 03, 2021, 06:52:34 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
The lane that is ending should not have an up arrow.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Rothman on May 03, 2021, 07:51:51 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
I also hate that sign with a passion.  It's been up for a while and I contend it causes lane confusion for those who want to take I-88.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 08:03:32 PM
a Junction sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.123492,-75.9058149,3a,46.2y,11.53h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIzWrCnJmwV_QtRLCd-M06w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: webny99 on May 03, 2021, 09:00:01 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
I also hate that sign with a passion.  It's been up for a while and I contend it causes lane confusion for those who want to take I-88.

Yeah, I remember discussing it in the not-too-distant past, can't remember in what thread.

Here's how I'd do it:

(https://imgur.com/wdIiezq.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/dZCjlkK.jpg)

...followed by two more APL's north of the US 11 interchange.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: plain on May 03, 2021, 09:27:51 PM
a Junction sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.123492,-75.9058149,3a,46.2y,11.53h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIzWrCnJmwV_QtRLCd-M06w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

Great catch!!!


Also, in this case, I don't think an APL should be used at all until the gore point.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 03, 2021, 10:22:53 PM
a Junction sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.123492,-75.9058149,3a,46.2y,11.53h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIzWrCnJmwV_QtRLCd-M06w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

Indeed a good catch. Someone was definitely having some fun there.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 03, 2021, 11:20:22 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1179513,-75.9092826,3a,50.5y,0.69h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUrxfSCnQz-1E3YVsM2SGxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

[/rant]
Wtf... why can't they put a simple LANE ENDS sign
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
This sign is placed oddly. And should have an EXIT ONLY!

It's showing wear and tear too. http://prntscr.com/12l7u9v

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6528204,-74.4507583,3a,75y,250.47h,86.46t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbKhnRL2TIGZKmDQ0WLvQ2w!2e0!5s20201101T000000!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on May 06, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit (https://goo.gl/maps/fqG9NYAZkg5AJ6iG9), just like any other.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 03:36:40 PM
And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit (https://goo.gl/maps/fqG9NYAZkg5AJ6iG9), just like any other.
So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

I was thinking this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8343729,-77.2590715,3a,75y,79.32h,81.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saFQCyazf0qz-r68B4gTRvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) was tapered.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on May 06, 2021, 03:40:35 PM


And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit (https://goo.gl/maps/fqG9NYAZkg5AJ6iG9), just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

No.

In the MUTCD illustration below, notice how neither lane gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.

(https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/images/fig2e_12.gif)

And in the MUTCD illustration below, notice how the tapered exit, just like your example, doesn't get an EXIT ONLY plaque.

(https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/images/fig2e_40.gif)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 03:46:08 PM


And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit (https://goo.gl/maps/fqG9NYAZkg5AJ6iG9), just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

No.

In the MUTCD illustration below, notice how neither lane gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.

(https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/images/fig2e_12.gif)

And in the MUTCD illustration below, notice how the tapered exit, just like your example, doesn't get an EXIT ONLY plaque.

(https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/images/fig2e_40.gif)
I edited my post.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on May 06, 2021, 03:53:20 PM


And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit (https://goo.gl/maps/fqG9NYAZkg5AJ6iG9), just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

I was thinking this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8343729,-77.2590715,3a,75y,79.32h,81.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saFQCyazf0qz-r68B4gTRvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) was tapered.

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room—just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 04:00:48 PM


And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit (https://goo.gl/maps/fqG9NYAZkg5AJ6iG9), just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

I was thinking this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8343729,-77.2590715,3a,75y,79.32h,81.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saFQCyazf0qz-r68B4gTRvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) was tapered.

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room—just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.
And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on May 06, 2021, 04:02:46 PM

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room—just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 04:07:13 PM

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room—just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.
I was saying the exit lane is longer.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on May 06, 2021, 04:10:16 PM



There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room—just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?

I was saying the exit lane is longer.

(Fixed your quote string.  'Preview' is your friend.)

That doesn't have anything to do with it.  The lane that exits does not exist more than just a few yards behind the sign.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 04:13:25 PM



There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room—just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?

I was saying the exit lane is longer.

(Fixed your quote string.  'Preview' is your friend.)

That doesn't have anything to do with it.  The lane that exits does not exist more than just a few yards behind the sign.
I get it. It makes sense now. Notice how the sign is placed oddly and not directly below the exit lane.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on May 06, 2021, 04:16:07 PM
Yes.  It should be mounted farther to the right.  (It should probably also be mounted at the beginning of the taper, rather than halfway down the deceleration lane.)



A simple way to remember what needs an EXIT ONLY plaque is that the MUTCD states they should be used for lane drops.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on May 06, 2021, 04:24:55 PM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 06, 2021, 04:37:34 PM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
So this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0968922,-77.0274754,3a,48.1y,267.9h,93.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9xXjqv_iEUUYtTVfWZ3lzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one for sure violates that.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on May 06, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
So this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0968922,-77.0274754,3a,48.1y,267.9h,93.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9xXjqv_iEUUYtTVfWZ3lzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 13, 2021, 12:11:11 AM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
So this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0968922,-77.0274754,3a,48.1y,267.9h,93.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9xXjqv_iEUUYtTVfWZ3lzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.
Surprised they didn't put one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0443937,-79.6882662,3a,24.2y,30.71h,94.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBgPM7qnjTeehKUGMyPhMKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 14, 2021, 10:04:28 AM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
So this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0968922,-77.0274754,3a,48.1y,267.9h,93.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9xXjqv_iEUUYtTVfWZ3lzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.
Surprised they didn't put one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0443937,-79.6882662,3a,24.2y,30.71h,94.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBgPM7qnjTeehKUGMyPhMKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on May 14, 2021, 10:15:39 AM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
So this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0968922,-77.0274754,3a,48.1y,267.9h,93.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9xXjqv_iEUUYtTVfWZ3lzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.
Surprised they didn't put one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0443937,-79.6882662,3a,24.2y,30.71h,94.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBgPM7qnjTeehKUGMyPhMKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

I actually agree with tolbs17 on this one.  A second exit-only lane is added just before the exit.  But the first exit-only lane was added just before this first sign, so it should have an EXIT ONLY plaque.  The difference between this and my second example above is that in the example the exit-only lane was added past the first sign.
 
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 14, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7
So this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0968922,-77.0274754,3a,48.1y,267.9h,93.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9xXjqv_iEUUYtTVfWZ3lzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.
Surprised they didn't put one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0443937,-79.6882662,3a,24.2y,30.71h,94.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBgPM7qnjTeehKUGMyPhMKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

I actually agree with tolbs17 on this one.  A second exit-only lane is added just before the exit.  But the first exit-only lane was added just before this first sign, so it should have an EXIT ONLY plaque.
 

A deceleration lane was added after the 1/2 mile sign.  Then the right thru lane splits at the gore point.   No Exit Only needed, because both thru lanes prior to the enter interchange still continue.

If there was a sign between the 1/2 mile and the exit sign at the gore point, an APL could be used.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Dirt Roads on May 14, 2021, 01:07:06 PM
Surprised they didn't put one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0443937,-79.6882662,3a,24.2y,30.71h,94.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBgPM7qnjTeehKUGMyPhMKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

I actually agree with tolbs17 on this one.  A second exit-only lane is added just before the exit.  But the first exit-only lane was added just before this first sign, so it should have an EXIT ONLY plaque.

A deceleration lane was added after the 1/2 mile sign.  Then the right thru lane splits at the gore point.   No Exit Only needed, because both thru lanes prior to the enter interchange still continue.

If there was a sign between the 1/2 mile and the exit sign at the gore point, an APL could be used.

This appears to me as an NCDOT design quirk.  After all, the "through route" should be to continue around the Greensboro Outer Beltway using Exit 131.  But NCDOT wisely configured I-85 mainline traffic down the middle at both I-85 legs into/out of the Outer Beltway.  From that point of view, neither route is truly an "Exit Only" situation, but rather a split.  They also did this for the I-40 leg into the west side of the Outer Beltway, but the southwest quadrant got renumbered to I-73 after the reconstruction of the short-lived Greensboro Green-40 was completed. 

As best as I can remember, none of the split legs off of the Greensboro Outer Beltway are marked as "Exit Only".
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
I have to say, the Chapel Hill sign and the EXIT ONLY sign looks childish.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 09:23:28 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 09:24:13 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?
No sir, it is not. Look at the 2 ls on Chapel Hill.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on May 14, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7046
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 09:25:38 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?
No sir, it is not. Look at the 2 ls on Chapel Hill.
What 2 on Chapel Hill? I can't notice anything strange.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on May 14, 2021, 09:27:14 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?
No sir, it is not. Look at the 2 ls on Chapel Hill.
What 2 on Chapel Hill? I can't notice anything strange.

Two of the letter L.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 09:29:46 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?
No sir, it is not. Look at the 2 ls on Chapel Hill.
What 2 on Chapel Hill? I can't notice anything strange.

Two of the letter L.
Am I blind? I can't see anything and Chapel Hill appears to be spelled correctly.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on May 14, 2021, 09:31:21 PM
Am I blind? I can't see anything and Chapel Hill appears to be spelled correctly.

It's a minor kerning issue.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 14, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
Am I blind? I can't see anything and Chapel Hill appears to be spelled correctly.

It's a minor kerning issue.
Oh I see it now.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on May 14, 2021, 09:34:04 PM
The text is also too large for the panel. The side margins should be as wide as the capital letters are tall. The EXIT ONLY panel includes an unusual inset border, which doesn't line up with the white border on the green portion of the sign. The text also appears off-center.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 09:37:38 PM
The text is also too large for the panel. The side margins should be as wide as the capital letters are tall. The EXIT ONLY panel includes an unusual inset border, which doesn't line up with the white border on the green portion of the sign. The text also appears off-center.
Was going to say that too. They should have put a bigger sign.

Isn't this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0989467,-77.0192487,3a,50.5y,248.07h,85.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTF8d13gNHVhj_iFQ9p82yQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) one the same way? The text is too large?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 09:56:15 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3553677,-80.7395542,3a,32.5y,152.78h,100.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfv-b7UtFUDotz1ta_HRpYw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF
My main complaint here would be the use of an APL signage. I think it's best to use 3 non-APL (one for the 485 through movement, two for the exit to I-85) panels for that interchange.
For the actual 485 number, your first example looks like Series B digits on the 485, while the second one have Series D digits. I'm not sure which type NC uses the most (federal guidelines is Series C btw), but weird seeing them use two number (and shield) sizes for the  485 at the same interchange.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.356588,-80.7258068,3a,25.4y,203.69h,106.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sirqjC9KZ1v4-omM8srOxWA!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 09, 2021, 12:02:00 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7398896,-78.6493454,3a,53.9y,11.84h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ3vzv-kZOWX-kq-ms8780w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Find this one weird as well. Old and washed out sign.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: odditude on June 09, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
The text is also too large for the panel. The side margins should be as wide as the capital letters are tall. The EXIT ONLY panel includes an unusual inset border, which doesn't line up with the white border on the green portion of the sign. The text also appears off-center.

...and the cardinal directions are vertically aligned with the center of the shields instead of the tops.

these signs aren't horrible, but they are a collection of multiple minor issues.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: plain on June 09, 2021, 08:06:55 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7398896,-78.6493454,3a,53.9y,11.84h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ3vzv-kZOWX-kq-ms8780w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Find this one weird as well. Old and washed out sign.

This could easily go in the FADED Beyond Recognition thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13857.125

And what is DOWNTOWN patced over?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 09, 2021, 09:38:23 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7398896,-78.6493454,3a,53.9y,11.84h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ3vzv-kZOWX-kq-ms8780w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Find this one weird as well. Old and washed out sign.

This could easily go in the FADED Beyond Recognition thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13857.125

And what is DOWNTOWN patced over?
Both? So in that case, DOWNTOWN shouldn't be put on those signs. The arrows are odd. That truss would probably be replaced or removed totally. What do you think?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: odditude on June 10, 2021, 12:32:31 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7398896,-78.6493454,3a,53.9y,11.84h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ3vzv-kZOWX-kq-ms8780w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Find this one weird as well. Old and washed out sign.

This could easily go in the FADED Beyond Recognition thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13857.125

And what is DOWNTOWN patced over?

on the right sign, it looks like the patch was installed over previously-installed-but-peeling letters spelling "DOWNTOWN". on the left sign, it looks like it was a later addition because they (later) recommended the through-route to reach downtown as well.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 16, 2021, 12:36:05 AM
I'm guessing "EXIT ONLY" is only used if there is an auxiliary lane or a really long lane from another interchange. The I-85 section where I-840 exits off doesn't warrant one because there's no lane that comes from another interchange.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on June 16, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
I'm guessing "EXIT ONLY" is only used if there is an auxiliary lane or a really long lane from another interchange. The I-85 section where I-840 exits off doesn't warrant one because there's no lane that comes from another interchange.

EXIT ONLY is only used when that lane must exit.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on June 16, 2021, 08:22:41 PM
I'm guessing "EXIT ONLY" is only used if there is an auxiliary lane or a really long lane from another interchange. The I-85 section where I-840 exits off doesn't warrant one because there's no lane that comes from another interchange.

EXIT ONLY is only used when that lane must exit.  It's that simple.

Or if you want that in more words, the official rule is:

Quote from: 2009 MUTCD
Section 2E.24 Signing for Interchange Lane Drops

Standard:
01 The provisions of this Section shall only apply to lane drops at exits that do not have an optional exit lane. At exits that have an optional exit lane in addition to the dropped lane, the provisions of Sections 2E.20 through 2E.23 shall apply.

02 Major guide signs for all lane drops at interchanges shall be mounted overhead. An EXIT ONLY sign panel shall be used for all interchange lane drops at which the through route is carried on the mainline.

03 Except on Overhead Arrow-per-Lane and Diagrammatic guide signs (See Sections 2E.20 through 2E.22), the EXIT ONLY (down arrow) (E11-1 or E11-1f) sign panel (see Figure 2E-13) shall be used on all signing of lane drops on all overhead Advance Guide signs (see Figures 2E-14 through 2E-16). The number of arrows on each sign shall correspond to the number of dropped lanes at the location of each sign. Placement of the down arrow shall comply with the provisions of Section 2E.19.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 18, 2021, 12:19:53 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0253421,-76.8771658,3a,75y,279.12h,83.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sISvDjlC139lHdks7EwXD3A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DISvDjlC139lHdks7EwXD3A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D354.83914%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) sign looks weird because I think it was meant to be put on a cantilever. Not on the ground. Other than that, it looks weird.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on June 18, 2021, 12:30:28 AM
Besides the issue of tree leaves covering up the arrow, it looks fine to me. There's plenty of tiny BGS placed on the ground like that.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on June 18, 2021, 01:45:49 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0253421,-76.8771658,3a,75y,279.12h,83.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sISvDjlC139lHdks7EwXD3A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DISvDjlC139lHdks7EwXD3A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D354.83914%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) sign looks weird because I think it was meant to be put on a cantilever. Not on the ground. Other than that, it looks weird.

Besides the issue of tree leaves covering up the arrow, it looks fine to me. There's plenty of tiny BGS placed on the ground like that.

Agreed.  That is neither strange nor overhead.

It is a sign, though, so I'll give you that...
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 20, 2021, 06:56:26 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Rothman on June 20, 2021, 07:16:57 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Why wouldn't there be?  If in that lane, you have to exit.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 20, 2021, 08:12:50 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Why wouldn't there be?  If in that lane, you have to exit.
The one for I-840 doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Rothman on June 20, 2021, 10:05:22 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Why wouldn't there be?  If in that lane, you have to exit.
The one for I-840 doesn't have one.
Doesn't have anything to do with your link.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 20, 2021, 10:48:25 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0253421,-76.8771658,3a,75y,279.12h,83.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sISvDjlC139lHdks7EwXD3A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DISvDjlC139lHdks7EwXD3A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D354.83914%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) sign looks weird because I think it was meant to be put on a cantilever. Not on the ground. Other than that, it looks weird.

Besides the issue of tree leaves covering up the arrow, it looks fine to me. There's plenty of tiny BGS placed on the ground like that.

Agreed.  That is neither strange nor overhead.

It is a sign, though, so I'll give you that...

I think he may have been referring to the fact that the arrow was on the right side of the sign, as opposed to the bottom. Either way, that's hardly something strange.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on June 20, 2021, 11:11:44 PM
IN 46 got asked to sit in the corner instead of being in the center of the room with the others here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4306285,-87.3461681,3a,20.6y,108.46h,100.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s22RG22x6hAlmm5q6PZuVOQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:17 AM
IN 46 got asked to sit in the corner instead of being in the center of the room with the others here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4306285,-87.3461681,3a,20.6y,108.46h,100.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s22RG22x6hAlmm5q6PZuVOQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Weird!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: renegade on June 21, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
IN 46 got asked to sit in the corner instead of being in the center of the room with the others here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4306285,-87.3461681,3a,20.6y,108.46h,100.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s22RG22x6hAlmm5q6PZuVOQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Weird!
No.  Indiana.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on June 21, 2021, 04:58:20 PM
IN 46 got asked to sit in the corner instead of being in the center of the room with the others here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4306285,-87.3461681,3a,20.6y,108.46h,100.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s22RG22x6hAlmm5q6PZuVOQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Weird!

Poorly-designed attempt to indicate the specified cardinal directions don't apply to IN-46.  Or to the information center.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 08, 2021, 03:11:29 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's unnecessary.  I've seen other examples similar to that one.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: roadfro on July 10, 2021, 05:50:16 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's unnecessary.  I've seen other examples similar to that one.

It's an added lane that drops at the next exit. "Exit Only" signed over any lane that drops is helpful. especially if the lane drop is a bit of distance from the exit. In this case, the initial lane formation is about 0.2-mile from the exit gore, so it doesn't hurt anything to have the extra warning.

A better question may be why isn't there any indication that the exit has an option lane...
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 10, 2021, 06:51:49 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's unnecessary.  I've seen other examples similar to that one.

It's an added lane that drops at the next exit. "Exit Only" signed over any lane that drops is helpful. especially if the lane drop is a bit of distance from the exit. In this case, the initial lane formation is about 0.2-mile from the exit gore, so it doesn't hurt anything to have the extra warning.

A better question may be why isn't there any indication that the exit has an option lane...

Option lanes not marked with an APL aren't supposed to be signed in advance, per the MUTCD.

But, that option lane may be thr reason why the lane is marked with an Exit Only banner.  The exit lane itself is a standard length, and is marked as a decel lane its entire distance.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 10, 2021, 07:49:25 PM
Option lanes not marked with an APL aren't supposed to be signed in advance, per the MUTCD.
Sounds like a dumb rule. At least Ohio doesn't use the national MUTCD and uses their own state one. There's still signs with dancing arrows for option lanes being produced at this point.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: roadfro on July 10, 2021, 08:10:32 PM
Why is there an EXIT ONLY sign here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2615583,-77.6890472,3a,36.8y,77.69h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_AfTUjaqfdjbM4D2jJnRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It's unnecessary.  I've seen other examples similar to that one.

It's an added lane that drops at the next exit. "Exit Only" signed over any lane that drops is helpful. especially if the lane drop is a bit of distance from the exit. In this case, the initial lane formation is about 0.2-mile from the exit gore, so it doesn't hurt anything to have the extra warning.

A better question may be why isn't there any indication that the exit has an option lane...

Option lanes not marked with an APL aren't supposed to be signed in advance, per the MUTCD.

But, that option lane may be thr reason why the lane is marked with an Exit Only banner.  The exit lane itself is a standard length, and is marked as a decel lane its entire distance.

With 2009 MUTCD, Section 2E.23 indicates there should still be post-mounted lane use signage present between the exit direction sign and the upstream advance guide sign(s), whether it's a true lane drop or an added auxiliary lane just before the exit (the latter being the case with this example); optionally, lane use arrows on the pavement may also be used. That would be sufficient indication of the option lane.

Option lanes not marked with an APL aren't supposed to be signed in advance, per the MUTCD.
Sounds like a dumb rule. At least Ohio doesn't use the national MUTCD and uses their own state one. There's still signs with dancing arrows for option lanes being produced at this point.

Yes, it's a dumb rule—one that I've lamented about on this forum since the 2009 MUTCD was adopted. But dancing arrows isn't really a good answer...
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 10, 2021, 09:12:14 PM
Option lanes not marked with an APL aren't supposed to be signed in advance, per the MUTCD.
Sounds like a dumb rule. At least Ohio doesn't use the national MUTCD and uses their own state one. There's still signs with dancing arrows for option lanes being produced at this point.

Yes, it's a dumb rule—one that I've lamented about on this forum since the 2009 MUTCD was adopted. But dancing arrows isn't really a good answer...
Here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0795322,-82.8674692,3a,43.2y,76.22h,98.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saxWo3CUUC7DX740lR5m1bQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) installed sometime in 2018. Yes, it would be nice if the dancing arrows weren't umm... dancing (I thought even ODOT got rid of dancing arrows shortly after the 2009 national MUTCD and started doing this disgusting thing (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16419.msg2450978#msg2450978) because of it, but guess not), though I think it gets the message across that you can either stay on the freeway or exit off from the second to right lane.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 10, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8110537,-78.5154281,3a,15y,181.31h,99.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0x6M0AnVb3f8-ZyaggMfDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) sign didn't last very long. And they're only gonna get worse. I was just over here today.

And another one! (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8110537,-78.5154281,3a,15y,181.31h,99.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0x6M0AnVb3f8-ZyaggMfDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

But not bad enough to justify needing a replacement.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: vdeane on July 11, 2021, 12:28:23 AM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8110537,-78.5154281,3a,15y,181.31h,99.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0x6M0AnVb3f8-ZyaggMfDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) sign didn't last very long. And they're only gonna get worse. I was just over here today.

And another one! (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8110537,-78.5154281,3a,15y,181.31h,99.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0x6M0AnVb3f8-ZyaggMfDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

But not bad enough to justify needing a replacement.
You just posted the same sign twice and I'm still not sure what's wrong with it...
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 12, 2021, 08:59:15 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0705799,-79.9299738,3a,23.1y,114.22h,113.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_YYtIiknyYGh1P2c2j9-xw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The letter E!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 12, 2021, 09:00:45 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8110537,-78.5154281,3a,15y,181.31h,99.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0x6M0AnVb3f8-ZyaggMfDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) sign didn't last very long. And they're only gonna get worse. I was just over here today.

And another one! (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8110537,-78.5154281,3a,15y,181.31h,99.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0x6M0AnVb3f8-ZyaggMfDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

But not bad enough to justify needing a replacement.
You just posted the same sign twice and I'm still not sure what's wrong with it...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8550604,-78.5345083,3a,41.6y,110.59h,102.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so1CVOXA7s3CcgHcbeuPT9g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8539771,-78.528611,3a,65.1y,109.07h,114.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAEvyw5EQhti9eU-ion7R6w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 12, 2021, 09:07:24 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0705799,-79.9299738,3a,23.1y,114.22h,113.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_YYtIiknyYGh1P2c2j9-xw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The letter E!
I don't see what's wrong with the letter. Also, I got Asheboro confused with Asheville for a sec. Is there a gantry in NC that have both Asheboro and Asheville posted as a control city, maybe WB I-40 and I-74 at Winston-Salem?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 12, 2021, 09:14:22 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0705799,-79.9299738,3a,23.1y,114.22h,113.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_YYtIiknyYGh1P2c2j9-xw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The letter E!
I don't see what's wrong with the letter. Also, I got Asheboro confused with Asheville for a sec. Is there a gantry in NC that have both Asheboro and Asheville posted as a control city, maybe WB I-40 and I-74 at Winston-Salem?
It's upside-down and no there is not.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 12, 2021, 09:15:03 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7678903,-78.5163993,3a,15y,102.92h,94.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFqI_CmJLVLVA-s--BjenNw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Another sign that lacks an EXIT ONLY plaque.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Dirt Roads on July 13, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0705799,-79.9299738,3a,23.1y,114.22h,113.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_YYtIiknyYGh1P2c2j9-xw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The letter E!

I don't see what's wrong with the letter. Also, I got Asheboro confused with Asheville for a sec. Is there a gantry in NC that have both Asheboro and Asheville posted as a control city, maybe WB I-40 and I-74 at Winston-Salem?

It's upside-down and no there is not.

Technically, it's worse than upside-down.  It looks like you are looking at the back side of the cardinal "E", which is possibly not reflective (whereas the front side of the "E" is required to be reflective).  Been there hundreds of times and never noticed before.  That whole set of BGS on I-40 west of the Greensboro Outer Loop have always amazed me, since they have been modified many times since first installed and yet still look "factory made" until you picked this one out.  The I-40 shield was on the left side when it first debuted in 2008.  I don't think that they've ever been replaced.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 13, 2021, 12:11:17 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7678903,-78.5163993,3a,15y,102.92h,94.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFqI_CmJLVLVA-s--BjenNw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Another sign that lacks an EXIT ONLY plaque.

It's an accel/decel lane, which means that its lacking an EXIT ONLY plaque is by no means surprising, but it bothers me none the less.  I agree that it should have one, or at the very least a dotted lane line.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 13, 2021, 12:23:55 PM
Petition to rename this thread to "The tolbs17 Thread".
Title: Compilation: tolbs17 in one thread
Post by: SkyPesos on July 13, 2021, 12:25:49 PM
Petition to rename this thread to "The tolbs17 Thread".
Let's see how long this will last
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: GaryV on July 13, 2021, 12:38:33 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7678903,-78.5163993,3a,15y,102.92h,94.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFqI_CmJLVLVA-s--BjenNw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Another sign that lacks an EXIT ONLY plaque.

It's an accel/decel lane, which means that its lacking an EXIT ONLY plaque is by no means surprising, but it bothers me none the less.  I agree that it should have one, or at the very least a dotted lane line.

There are several arrows painted on the pavement, from nearly right where the decel lane starts.  Not that a 55 mph exit needs much decel.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 01:25:44 PM
When looking these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6943532,-78.877005,3a,20.7y,55.81h,98.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1symuXE01Rfe7V6NtHX-sjmw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) signs, the font looks different on the right sign. I like that better compared to the one on the left.

Here's (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6944274,-78.8769595,3a,33.6y,74.66h,106.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-Lvpx826P2a9op4c7Iz0Rg!2e0!5s20130601T000000!7i13312!8i6656) the older sign which I think they left a space to say "Garner" but it has been removed, unfornately. I'm not a big fan of that to be honest. They did the same over here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7474267,-78.8881282,3a,75y,265.1h,101.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEiRM5VBchIDrb_RKijslMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) as well. Compare the years and see the difference.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 06:08:39 PM
WTF is wrong with these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8949484,-78.8754544,3a,75y,336.41h,93.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp6Nr7EXjntpv7lNVY_tA6Q!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) signs?!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Rothman on July 17, 2021, 08:05:56 PM
WTF is wrong with these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8949484,-78.8754544,3a,75y,336.41h,93.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp6Nr7EXjntpv7lNVY_tA6Q!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) signs?!
Nothing.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 08:26:14 PM
WTF is wrong with these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8949484,-78.8754544,3a,75y,336.41h,93.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp6Nr7EXjntpv7lNVY_tA6Q!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) signs?!
Nothing.
I was thinking the signs are too small or the text is too big and it looks kinda cartoonish looking.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Big John on July 17, 2021, 08:36:01 PM
WTF is wrong with these (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8949484,-78.8754544,3a,75y,336.41h,93.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp6Nr7EXjntpv7lNVY_tA6Q!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) signs?!
Nothing.
I was thinking the signs are too small or the text is too big and it looks kinda cartoonish looking.
The shields look too big.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 19, 2021, 05:05:46 PM
These (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7503561,-76.281382,3a,21.1y,226.47h,101.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjNeuTGj-NIlW2rpa1ziXhA!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) ones suck. No arrow and no spacing.

WTF IS THIS??!!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1995hoo on July 19, 2021, 05:56:05 PM
Petition to rename this thread to "The tolbs17 Thread".

Seconded!
Title: Re: Compilation: tolbs17 in one thread
Post by: SkyPesos on July 19, 2021, 06:00:01 PM
Petition to rename this thread to "The tolbs17 Thread".

Seconded!
Thirded!
Title: Re: Compilation: tolbs17 in one thread
Post by: 1995hoo on July 19, 2021, 06:12:26 PM
:rofl:

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 01:59:37 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".
Title: Re: tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit
Post by: SkyPesos on July 20, 2021, 02:00:19 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".
Like this?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 04:54:17 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: hobsini2 on July 21, 2021, 05:37:34 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!

Oh I know. Here Tolbs, let me help you. LOL
Gantry 1: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1752561,-97.4941207,3a,75y,349.01h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUs1Fj7Utkg_yn8tvnMDPyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Side Sign 1: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1844776,-97.4923155,3a,52y,34.48h,89.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCkFDmHlWChoOO93DPZmffA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Side Sign 2: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1849617,-97.4919754,3a,19.6y,49.08h,87.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJlVmPMPRFD9gXeR6CEMiMQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Gantry 2: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1921916,-97.4860938,3a,75y,26.42h,97.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slRUdxQSWEVoT8EtR3YFLhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Gantry 3: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.196329,-97.4827374,3a,75y,37.49h,100.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGtc2zW4M4JtKx_h1iEb2yA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 21, 2021, 05:38:26 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!

I was thinking the same thing. NCDOT is one of the nation's best DOTs. Imagine tolbs' reaction to a state like New Mexico, Pennsylvania or Indiana!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: hobsini2 on July 21, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!

I was thinking the same thing. NCDOT is one of the nation's best DOTs. Imagine tolbs' reaction to a state like New Mexico, Pennsylvania or Indiana!
He would have kittens if he saw some of the gore exit signs in Illinois. "That's too small to read and the arrow is off".
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 21, 2021, 05:48:18 PM
Have tolbs posted any example in this thread, and other threads he created, that’s NOT in NC? I don’t think so.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 07:42:31 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!

Oh I know. Here Tolbs, let me help you. LOL
Gantry 1: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1752561,-97.4941207,3a,75y,349.01h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUs1Fj7Utkg_yn8tvnMDPyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Side Sign 1: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1844776,-97.4923155,3a,52y,34.48h,89.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCkFDmHlWChoOO93DPZmffA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Side Sign 2: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1849617,-97.4919754,3a,19.6y,49.08h,87.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJlVmPMPRFD9gXeR6CEMiMQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Gantry 2: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1921916,-97.4860938,3a,75y,26.42h,97.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slRUdxQSWEVoT8EtR3YFLhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Gantry 3: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.196329,-97.4827374,3a,75y,37.49h,100.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGtc2zW4M4JtKx_h1iEb2yA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

You're gonna be a tease and stop right before the worst of that particular bunch (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1968836,-97.4822854,3a,38.6y,48.2h,100.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siw4ZAIvycBoSAFPEcrAshA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)? Stretched out Clearview and a Type D arrow, baby! We know how to make 'em here in Norman!

Oh, and I don't know if you caught it, but the Sam Noble Museum is a natural history museum, not a national one, which is what Natl usually abbreviates.

For real, though, if he starts there and just keeps going north he'll have material for this thread for the next few months.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 09:45:22 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!
When I get a car, hopefully! I plan to head to Mississippi to see my friends!
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 09:46:27 PM
Should be called "tolbs17 gripes about a bunch of minor shit".

I'd like to see him take a trip through Oklahoma City sometime.

Hey, tolbs, hop on Street View at I-35 exit 106 in Goldsby OK and go north on I-35 and tell me what you find!

Oh I know. Here Tolbs, let me help you. LOL
Gantry 1: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1752561,-97.4941207,3a,75y,349.01h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUs1Fj7Utkg_yn8tvnMDPyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Side Sign 1: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1844776,-97.4923155,3a,52y,34.48h,89.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCkFDmHlWChoOO93DPZmffA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Side Sign 2: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1849617,-97.4919754,3a,19.6y,49.08h,87.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJlVmPMPRFD9gXeR6CEMiMQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Gantry 2: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1921916,-97.4860938,3a,75y,26.42h,97.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slRUdxQSWEVoT8EtR3YFLhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Gantry 3: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.196329,-97.4827374,3a,75y,37.49h,100.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGtc2zW4M4JtKx_h1iEb2yA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Thanks, man. So I guess there's no need for me to head that way.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 10:38:13 PM
Quote
On the new concrete 8-lane stretch of I-85 between Charlotte and Greensboro I noticed that a lot of upcoming exit signs are raised pedestals on the shoulder instead of the norm for I-85 which is extreme cantilevers lunging out from the shoulder.

i wonder if this was a cost-cutting measure for that particular project or if it's the new norm.

I used to hate the raised pedestals on the shoulder because they're not as readable as being directly over the roadway, but I'm not against them anymore after Georgia cluttered up all its interstates by mounting single signs to full gantries supported on both sides of the highway which is the most ludicrous waste of money and blight on any aesthetic qualities an interstate can have.

I hope the raised pedestals aren't new cheaper standard for NC though.
I hate those ew.

And, where do you see such signs? Cause I know that this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5300375,-80.5735328,3a,15y,178.14h,94.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sREhTPJMYhCxhJnXxsF4gbw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DREhTPJMYhCxhJnXxsF4gbw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D212.13338%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) isn't one of them.

Although there's one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5118598,-80.5667391,3a,75y,161.58h,90.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soXmE4ql2_qyXsyQnqsEVtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)!

And another one here (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4883401,-80.572031,3a,46.8y,219.17h,90.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfE4j_RGTw8f0w59G73s27A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

Was discussed in the North Carolina thread, but I figured I would put them here as well. What is NCDOT's obsession with these tall signs to the side that are not directly over the highway.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 21, 2021, 10:41:04 PM
^ They're nothing new. Georgia does it all the time, much more than the 2 puny examples you have.

Ohio have one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9924772,-82.9849603,3a,63.5y,341.06h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuPnA-z8it2Jd-xGBCUfzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) placed in the exit gore, for something that stands out a bit more than the others.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 10:47:03 PM
Candler Rd Oecator?! (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7138603,-84.2952918,3a,25.3y,151.25h,109.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSqNwgkhS3D2m67kInzwEnA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

I'm also glad that I don't live in Georgia.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 10:48:47 PM
^ They're nothing new. Georgia does it all the time, much more than the 2 puny examples you have.

Ohio have one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9924772,-82.9849603,3a,63.5y,341.06h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuPnA-z8it2Jd-xGBCUfzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) placed in the exit gore, for something that stands out a bit more than the others.
I'm not sure if you like it, and when comparing the signs, do you like the white arrow or the black arrow in the "EXIT ONLY" plaque?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 21, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
^ They're nothing new. Georgia does it all the time, much more than the 2 puny examples you have.

Ohio have one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9924772,-82.9849603,3a,63.5y,341.06h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuPnA-z8it2Jd-xGBCUfzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) placed in the exit gore, for something that stands out a bit more than the others.
I'm not sure if you like it, and when comparing the signs, do you like the white arrow or the black arrow in the "EXIT ONLY" plaque?
I've never seen a white arrow in an EXIT ONLY plaque before, and hopefully never see it, as white on yellow is a recipe for visibility issues.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 10:53:53 PM
^ They're nothing new. Georgia does it all the time, much more than the 2 puny examples you have.

Ohio have one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9924772,-82.9849603,3a,63.5y,341.06h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuPnA-z8it2Jd-xGBCUfzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) placed in the exit gore, for something that stands out a bit more than the others.
I'm not sure if you like it, and when comparing the signs, do you like the white arrow or the black arrow in the "EXIT ONLY" plaque?
I've never seen a white arrow in an EXIT ONLY plaque before, and hopefully never see it, as white on yellow is a recipe for visibility issues.
I'm saying do you like the old or new sign better.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8345739,-78.3207721,3a,68.4y,278.12h,89.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scTc0xDtOcto-M5cPZQUWVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This is an example if you scroll the timelines.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 11:20:04 PM
Thanks, man. So I guess there's no need for me to head that way.

I personally would have fun reading your reactions to signs in the Oklahoma City area, if you want to look around on Street View.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 21, 2021, 11:22:00 PM
Thanks, man. So I guess there's no need for me to head that way.

I personally would have fun reading your reactions to signs in the Oklahoma City area, if you want to look around on Street View.
Great idea. I REALLY want to travel there to see what it's like
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 22, 2021, 09:03:26 AM


^ They're nothing new. Georgia does it all the time, much more than the 2 puny examples you have.

Ohio have one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9924772,-82.9849603,3a,63.5y,341.06h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuPnA-z8it2Jd-xGBCUfzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) placed in the exit gore, for something that stands out a bit more than the others.

I'm not sure if you like it, and when comparing the signs, do you like the white arrow or the black arrow in the "EXIT ONLY" plaque?

I've never seen a white arrow in an EXIT ONLY plaque before, and hopefully never see it, as white on yellow is a recipe for visibility issues.

That's the way I read his question too, but that's not how he meant it.  This is what he meant:

... when comparing the signs, do you like {the white arrow} or {the black arrow in the "EXIT ONLY" plaque}?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 22, 2021, 09:06:33 AM
My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: CoreySamson on July 22, 2021, 11:01:58 AM
^ They're nothing new. Georgia does it all the time, much more than the 2 puny examples you have.

Ohio have one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9924772,-82.9849603,3a,63.5y,341.06h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuPnA-z8it2Jd-xGBCUfzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) placed in the exit gore, for something that stands out a bit more than the others.
Houston also has a lot of these. I don't like them; I prefer full or partial gantries.
Example: (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7876267,-95.3709752,3a,20.6y,352.76h,91.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suijhz2BhsxCIWagjBZu6og!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 22, 2021, 01:19:50 PM
My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?

Black looks best. White looks incorrect. I'd rather have the old WisDOT style with no border at all over a white border.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Big John on July 22, 2021, 04:37:47 PM
My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?
Black,  It has higher contrast.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 04:40:53 PM
My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?
Black,  It has higher contrast.
Same here. Black. I've never seen a white border.

Or do green borders look better?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 22, 2021, 05:00:56 PM


My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?

Black,  It has higher contrast.
Same here. Black. I've never seen a white border.

Or do green borders look better?

Right, speaking of green borders, I was wondering how common the treatment you showed is:  https://goo.gl/maps/ScpoGTxZDWgLV6pH7
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:07:07 PM


My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?

Black,  It has higher contrast.
Same here. Black. I've never seen a white border.

Or do green borders look better?

Right, speaking of green borders, I was wondering how common the treatment you showed is:  https://goo.gl/maps/ScpoGTxZDWgLV6pH7
All the new signs have black borders now. And is the arrow better in the black plaque or the green plague which is before the 2009 MUTCD?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 22, 2021, 05:10:07 PM
I prefer the both the green plaque and the black plague.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:11:40 PM
I prefer the both the green plaque and the black plague.
Same here. Both look cool
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: kphoger on July 22, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
(https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/WHATRE1.jpg)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/science/2018/01/16/3186570_Black-Death-NEWS_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqC3KR36tC2BrWHMM_AXx43mG4qbzGOnM_e7YMJ2rae-s.jpg)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: GaryV on July 23, 2021, 07:32:29 AM
the green plaque
You really haven't been to the dentist for a while.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: roadfro on July 23, 2021, 11:38:10 AM
My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?

Black looks best. White looks incorrect. I'd rather have the old WisDOT style with no border at all over a white border.

Black looks best. But when compared to design of other dark-on-light signs (like a standard yellow warning or white regulatory sign), there should be a bit of yellow outside the black border line...something you rarely see on the overhead signs around the exit only panel.

But I also prefer the style where the exit only panel looks more like a panel and doesn't run to the edge of the sign—this style has become more prevalent in Northern Nevada in the last decade. It presents a cleaner look in my opinion, especially in cases where you have an option lane also. Compare this (https://goo.gl/maps/cxhEaBGSRcJrRbsL6) to this (https://goo.gl/maps/FWtJVcz4yu7yTzFk7).
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on July 23, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
My related question for all of you:

Which is better for the exit plaque borderwhite (https://goo.gl/maps/wA1d7C3A7Qx91v6L8) or black (https://goo.gl/maps/mC1WdhyG28SYaaFy9)?

Black looks best. White looks incorrect. I'd rather have the old WisDOT style with no border at all over a white border.

Black looks best. But when compared to design of other dark-on-light signs (like a standard yellow warning or white regulatory sign), there should be a bit of yellow outside the black border line...something you rarely see on the overhead signs around the exit only panel.

The yellow/white outside the black border line is to keep the black ink from running off the edge of the sign during printing.

BGS borders are usually applied as stickers, not printed, so there's no need to have an inset border.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 12:17:00 AM
Never in my life seen a sign say "EXIT ONLY" at an interchange of where two loops meet. Apparently Mississippi has them.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.8609305,-89.9905552,3a,52.6y,359.19h,92.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk12Ku5h8Eg7a7IEPaHPi-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 24, 2021, 12:26:36 AM
tolbs, have I ever got a sign for you:

(https://snz04pap002files.storage.live.com/y4mWjRPGSjU_C9oFNnYD3ycBftAuDUKlM1VPlw5xlttFMfrEQXT_sNf2qXG0sRjmdDyM9jWNoPO762LzoycQ7lqRwY95OZtJ6NgGmI65cOLIA6_EDOk21SnFGvOvRLc_YNDn5o_1VFeLTqkboarw5BF4QsctHTr_aJwrylpI7ehW3kTXrBTHs5cT-vzVP-LZrwp?width=2675&height=2006&cropmode=none)

What are your thoughts on this one?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 12:28:58 AM
tolbs, have I ever got a sign for you:

(https://snz04pap002files.storage.live.com/y4mWjRPGSjU_C9oFNnYD3ycBftAuDUKlM1VPlw5xlttFMfrEQXT_sNf2qXG0sRjmdDyM9jWNoPO762LzoycQ7lqRwY95OZtJ6NgGmI65cOLIA6_EDOk21SnFGvOvRLc_YNDn5o_1VFeLTqkboarw5BF4QsctHTr_aJwrylpI7ehW3kTXrBTHs5cT-vzVP-LZrwp?width=2675&height=2006&cropmode=none)

What are your thoughts on this one?
Does it come off from two loops and what I mean is at the same interchange?
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: SkyPesos on July 24, 2021, 12:35:05 AM
tolbs, have I ever got a sign for you:

(https://snz04pap002files.storage.live.com/y4mWjRPGSjU_C9oFNnYD3ycBftAuDUKlM1VPlw5xlttFMfrEQXT_sNf2qXG0sRjmdDyM9jWNoPO762LzoycQ7lqRwY95OZtJ6NgGmI65cOLIA6_EDOk21SnFGvOvRLc_YNDn5o_1VFeLTqkboarw5BF4QsctHTr_aJwrylpI7ehW3kTXrBTHs5cT-vzVP-LZrwp?width=2675&height=2006&cropmode=none)

What are your thoughts on this one?
Does it come off from two loops and what I mean is at the same interchange?
Look at the exit number to get the answer for that question.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 12:38:02 AM
tolbs, have I ever got a sign for you:

(https://snz04pap002files.storage.live.com/y4mWjRPGSjU_C9oFNnYD3ycBftAuDUKlM1VPlw5xlttFMfrEQXT_sNf2qXG0sRjmdDyM9jWNoPO762LzoycQ7lqRwY95OZtJ6NgGmI65cOLIA6_EDOk21SnFGvOvRLc_YNDn5o_1VFeLTqkboarw5BF4QsctHTr_aJwrylpI7ehW3kTXrBTHs5cT-vzVP-LZrwp?width=2675&height=2006&cropmode=none)

What are your thoughts on this one?
Does it come off from two loops and what I mean is at the same interchange?
Look at the exit number to get the answer for that question.
That's a no.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 24, 2021, 06:50:36 AM
tolbs, have I ever got a sign for you:

(https://snz04pap002files.storage.live.com/y4mWjRPGSjU_C9oFNnYD3ycBftAuDUKlM1VPlw5xlttFMfrEQXT_sNf2qXG0sRjmdDyM9jWNoPO762LzoycQ7lqRwY95OZtJ6NgGmI65cOLIA6_EDOk21SnFGvOvRLc_YNDn5o_1VFeLTqkboarw5BF4QsctHTr_aJwrylpI7ehW3kTXrBTHs5cT-vzVP-LZrwp?width=2675&height=2006&cropmode=none)

What are your thoughts on this one?
Does it come off from two loops and what I mean is at the same interchange?
Look at the exit number to get the answer for that question.
That's a no.

Right. That's not the issue here. I was referring to (1) the EXIT (arrow) ONLY verbiage being used on a ground mounted sign, and (2) EXIT ONLY isn't even necessary here as that's just a deceleration lane, not a full drop lane.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 10:11:14 PM
Kerned! (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.197394,-80.6294964,3a,15.7y,18.7h,96.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTD32ZvVbSOzpMYkGaMov8A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DTD32ZvVbSOzpMYkGaMov8A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D62.79175%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:21:02 PM
Kerned! (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.197394,-80.6294964,3a,15.7y,18.7h,96.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTD32ZvVbSOzpMYkGaMov8A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DTD32ZvVbSOzpMYkGaMov8A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D62.79175%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

This sign is also kerned. (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7907486,-119.2511035,3a,15y,183.15h,89.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZrkutuCsObeq71vZ0Dm_xw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 10:21:47 PM
Kerned! (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.197394,-80.6294964,3a,15.7y,18.7h,96.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTD32ZvVbSOzpMYkGaMov8A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DTD32ZvVbSOzpMYkGaMov8A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D62.79175%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

This sign is also kerned. (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7907486,-119.2511035,3a,15y,183.15h,89.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZrkutuCsObeq71vZ0Dm_xw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I can barely read that when I'm driving.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 10:57:55 AM
black plague.

You trying to get this thread locked? (Referring to the various comparisons I've heard in different places between c0v1d and the bl@ck pl@gu3.)
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: 1 on July 26, 2021, 11:10:30 AM
black plague.

You trying to get this thread locked? (Referring to the various comparisons I've heard in different places between c0v1d and the bl@ck pl@gu3.)

It was just making fun of a typo.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 02:00:46 PM
black plague.

You trying to get this thread locked? (Referring to the various comparisons I've heard in different places between c0v1d and the bl@ck pl@gu3.)

It was just making fun of a typo.

I know, and I was just cracking a joke.
Title: Re: Strange overhead signs
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on July 31, 2021, 07:38:17 AM
This pole is crooked.  Not really facing straight and it's a little tilted.  But button copy though.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51054057102_72dda39a34_c.jpg)

i feel like this place needs more signs.