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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #152 on: May 14, 2021, 09:29:46 PM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #153 on: May 14, 2021, 09:31:21 PM »

Am I blind? I can't see anything and Chapel Hill appears to be spelled correctly.

It's a minor kerning issue.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #154 on: May 14, 2021, 09:31:55 PM »

Am I blind? I can't see anything and Chapel Hill appears to be spelled correctly.

It's a minor kerning issue.
Oh I see it now.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #155 on: May 14, 2021, 09:34:04 PM »

The text is also too large for the panel. The side margins should be as wide as the capital letters are tall. The EXIT ONLY panel includes an unusual inset border, which doesn't line up with the white border on the green portion of the sign. The text also appears off-center.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #156 on: May 14, 2021, 09:37:38 PM »

The text is also too large for the panel. The side margins should be as wide as the capital letters are tall. The EXIT ONLY panel includes an unusual inset border, which doesn't line up with the white border on the green portion of the sign. The text also appears off-center.
Was going to say that too. They should have put a bigger sign.

Isn't this one the same way? The text is too large?
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #157 on: May 14, 2021, 09:56:15 PM »

This design looks clumsy. See the word Matthews? Notice the letter e

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3588878,-80.7428663,3a,39.8y,138.49h,100.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDi5YliSkJsBPkDkbK-5jHw!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Here too. The I-485 shield looks different. WTF
My main complaint here would be the use of an APL signage. I think it's best to use 3 non-APL (one for the 485 through movement, two for the exit to I-85) panels for that interchange.
For the actual 485 number, your first example looks like Series B digits on the 485, while the second one have Series D digits. I'm not sure which type NC uses the most (federal guidelines is Series C btw), but weird seeing them use two number (and shield) sizes for the  485 at the same interchange.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.356588,-80.7258068,3a,25.4y,203.69h,106.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sirqjC9KZ1v4-omM8srOxWA!2e0!5s20200301T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #159 on: June 09, 2021, 12:56:47 PM »

The text is also too large for the panel. The side margins should be as wide as the capital letters are tall. The EXIT ONLY panel includes an unusual inset border, which doesn't line up with the white border on the green portion of the sign. The text also appears off-center.

...and the cardinal directions are vertically aligned with the center of the shields instead of the tops.

these signs aren't horrible, but they are a collection of multiple minor issues.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #160 on: June 09, 2021, 08:06:55 PM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #161 on: June 09, 2021, 09:38:23 PM »

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7398896,-78.6493454,3a,53.9y,11.84h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ3vzv-kZOWX-kq-ms8780w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Find this one weird as well. Old and washed out sign.

This could easily go in the FADED Beyond Recognition thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13857.125

And what is DOWNTOWN patced over?
Both? So in that case, DOWNTOWN shouldn't be put on those signs. The arrows are odd. That truss would probably be replaced or removed totally. What do you think?
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #162 on: June 10, 2021, 12:32:31 PM »

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7398896,-78.6493454,3a,53.9y,11.84h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ3vzv-kZOWX-kq-ms8780w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Find this one weird as well. Old and washed out sign.

This could easily go in the FADED Beyond Recognition thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13857.125

And what is DOWNTOWN patced over?

on the right sign, it looks like the patch was installed over previously-installed-but-peeling letters spelling "DOWNTOWN". on the left sign, it looks like it was a later addition because they (later) recommended the through-route to reach downtown as well.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #163 on: June 16, 2021, 12:36:05 AM »

I'm guessing "EXIT ONLY" is only used if there is an auxiliary lane or a really long lane from another interchange. The I-85 section where I-840 exits off doesn't warrant one because there's no lane that comes from another interchange.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #164 on: June 16, 2021, 03:47:59 PM »

I'm guessing "EXIT ONLY" is only used if there is an auxiliary lane or a really long lane from another interchange. The I-85 section where I-840 exits off doesn't warrant one because there's no lane that comes from another interchange.

EXIT ONLY is only used when that lane must exit.  It's that simple.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #165 on: June 16, 2021, 08:22:41 PM »

I'm guessing "EXIT ONLY" is only used if there is an auxiliary lane or a really long lane from another interchange. The I-85 section where I-840 exits off doesn't warrant one because there's no lane that comes from another interchange.

EXIT ONLY is only used when that lane must exit.  It's that simple.

Or if you want that in more words, the official rule is:

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01 The provisions of this Section shall only apply to lane drops at exits that do not have an optional exit lane. At exits that have an optional exit lane in addition to the dropped lane, the provisions of Sections 2E.20 through 2E.23 shall apply.

02 Major guide signs for all lane drops at interchanges shall be mounted overhead. An EXIT ONLY sign panel shall be used for all interchange lane drops at which the through route is carried on the mainline.

03 Except on Overhead Arrow-per-Lane and Diagrammatic guide signs (See Sections 2E.20 through 2E.22), the EXIT ONLY (down arrow) (E11-1 or E11-1f) sign panel (see Figure 2E-13) shall be used on all signing of lane drops on all overhead Advance Guide signs (see Figures 2E-14 through 2E-16). The number of arrows on each sign shall correspond to the number of dropped lanes at the location of each sign. Placement of the down arrow shall comply with the provisions of Section 2E.19.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #166 on: June 18, 2021, 12:19:53 AM »

This sign looks weird because I think it was meant to be put on a cantilever. Not on the ground. Other than that, it looks weird.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #167 on: June 18, 2021, 12:30:28 AM »

Besides the issue of tree leaves covering up the arrow, it looks fine to me. There's plenty of tiny BGS placed on the ground like that.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #168 on: June 18, 2021, 01:45:49 PM »

This sign looks weird because I think it was meant to be put on a cantilever. Not on the ground. Other than that, it looks weird.

Besides the issue of tree leaves covering up the arrow, it looks fine to me. There's plenty of tiny BGS placed on the ground like that.

Agreed.  That is neither strange nor overhead.

It is a sign, though, so I'll give you that...
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« Reply #170 on: June 20, 2021, 07:16:57 PM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #173 on: June 20, 2021, 10:48:25 PM »

This sign looks weird because I think it was meant to be put on a cantilever. Not on the ground. Other than that, it looks weird.

Besides the issue of tree leaves covering up the arrow, it looks fine to me. There's plenty of tiny BGS placed on the ground like that.

Agreed.  That is neither strange nor overhead.

It is a sign, though, so I'll give you that...

I think he may have been referring to the fact that the arrow was on the right side of the sign, as opposed to the bottom. Either way, that's hardly something strange.
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