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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2021, 11:15:36 AM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2021, 11:18:09 AM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #103 on: April 14, 2021, 11:18:36 AM »

It's not overhead.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2021, 11:24:26 AM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2021, 01:32:28 AM »

Maybe tolbs17 is really short.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2021, 03:54:21 PM »

Most signs are overhead if you're not in a car. But most people take "overhead" to mean "posted above the travel lanes".
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2021, 09:40:15 PM »

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #108 on: April 15, 2021, 11:30:48 PM »

I tried.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #109 on: April 16, 2021, 12:13:31 AM »

Key difference is between overhead and over head.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #111 on: April 20, 2021, 02:13:03 AM »

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #112 on: April 20, 2021, 02:56:20 AM »

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)
And DDIs.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #113 on: April 24, 2021, 05:43:57 PM »

Eastbound US-264 heading into Greenville at the Highway 11 bypass the "Greenville DOWNTOWN" sign is placed odd. they should have made it look more like this without the lighting.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #114 on: May 02, 2021, 02:30:02 PM »

The one that says "Louisburg" looks funny. And both signs need replacement because of the wear and tear.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8614408,-78.547374,3a,71.3y,318.44h,99.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2nkwsjCmCn13pZHCmqYFhw!2e0!5s20180901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #115 on: May 02, 2021, 02:53:20 PM »

Look at the comparison on the years on this sign. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0886602,-79.9144828,3a,48.2y,2.36h,94.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sh-gXJdfh8v--NuZ-PPneew!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Which is better?

The older one doesn't have the cardinal direction at two different heights, so it's better-designed. I feel like the Type C arrows convey what's going on better than the down arrows, as well.

However, I question the need for a sign there at all. Most diamond interchanges don't have signage indicating which direction is west and which is east. I see no reason why a SPUI needs one too. (Oklahoma uses diagrammatics for SPUIs, which likewise seems like overkill.)

Most diamond interchanges don't have a split at the end of the exit ramp.  Where there is a split (SPUI or DDI) I usually see directional signs.

I've never thought about it before, but you raise a valid question of why is there a standard of posting directional signage on a SPUI or DDI ramp but not on a traditional diamond ramp.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #116 on: May 03, 2021, 05:08:48 PM »

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #117 on: May 03, 2021, 05:15:05 PM »

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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I'm questioning why almost every BGS design was used for the I-81/88 interchange. You have the APL linked, then a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location, then a diagrammatic, then finally, the 2 panel display with angled arrows for the exit. Can they pick one type and stick with it?
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #118 on: May 03, 2021, 05:31:01 PM »

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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I'm questioning why almost every BGS design was used for the I-81/88 interchange. You have the APL linked, then a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location, then a diagrammatic, then finally, the 2 panel display with angled arrows for the exit. Can they pick one type and stick with it?

Yeah, it leaves a lot to be desired. The APL I originally linked to went up as part of the I-81/I-86/NY 17 (Prospect Mountain interchange) overhaul, while the other 3 in your post are all much older and should be replaced, IMO. NY uses APL's now, so if these were replaced, the diagrammatic would presumably become an APL. And yes, it is ridiculous that the "JCT I-88" comes after the APL... even though I have some serious issues with the APL, that 3/4 mile advance should probably be eliminated altogether.

I'll follow up in a separate post with some of my own suggestions for improved signage here.

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #119 on: May 03, 2021, 06:52:34 PM »

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #120 on: May 03, 2021, 07:51:51 PM »

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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I also hate that sign with a passion.  It's been up for a while and I contend it causes lane confusion for those who want to take I-88.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2021, 08:03:32 PM »

a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #122 on: May 03, 2021, 09:00:01 PM »

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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I also hate that sign with a passion.  It's been up for a while and I contend it causes lane confusion for those who want to take I-88.

Yeah, I remember discussing it in the not-too-distant past, can't remember in what thread.

Here's how I'd do it:





...followed by two more APL's north of the US 11 interchange.

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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #123 on: May 03, 2021, 09:27:51 PM »

a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

Great catch!!!


Also, in this case, I don't think an APL should be used at all until the gore point.
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Re: Strange overhead signs
« Reply #124 on: May 03, 2021, 10:22:53 PM »

a Junction sign with no arrows, which imo should've been in the APL's location

The 8s are upside down on that sign.

Indeed a good catch. Someone was definitely having some fun there.
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