tolbs17 in one thread

[tolbs17]

This is the strangest, most bizarre, most irrelevant overhead sign I've ever seen in the state of New York. In addition to several questionable aspects of the design and layout and the fact that it skips over an intermediary exit, it is completely unnecessary. It doesn't provide any new information of value, and there is not one single reason why it should exist.

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Wtf... why can't they put a simple LANE ENDS sign

[tolbs17]

This sign is placed oddly. And should have an EXIT ONLY!

It's showing wear and tear too. http://prntscr.com/12l7u9v

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6528204,-74.4507583,3a,75y,250.47h,86.46t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbKhnRL2TIGZKmDQ0WLvQ2w!2e0!5s20201101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[kphoger]

And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit, just like any other.

[tolbs17]

And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit, just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

I was thinking this was tapered.

[kphoger]

And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit, just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

No.

In the MUTCD illustration below, notice how neither lane gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.



And in the MUTCD illustration below, notice how the tapered exit, just like your example, doesn't get an EXIT ONLY plaque.

[tolbs17]

And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit, just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

No.

In the MUTCD illustration below, notice how neither lane gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.



And in the MUTCD illustration below, notice how the tapered exit, just like your example, doesn't get an EXIT ONLY plaque.

I edited my post.

[kphoger]

And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit, just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

I was thinking this was tapered.

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room–just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

[tolbs17]

And should have an EXIT ONLY!

No it shouldn't.  It's a tapered exit, just like any other.

So it's not a parallel deceleration lane?

I was thinking this was tapered.

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room–just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

[kphoger]

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room–just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?

[tolbs17]

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room–just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

I was saying the exit lane is longer.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?

[kphoger]

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room–just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?

I was saying the exit lane is longer.

(Fixed your quote string.  'Preview' is your friend.)

That doesn't have anything to do with it.  The lane that exits does not exist more than just a few yards behind the sign.

[tolbs17]

There's really no difference.  The former merely has a bit of extra deceleration room–just as in both of those MUTCD illustrations, neither of which shows an EXIT ONLY plaque to be used..  Those plaques are generally only to be used when an already-existing lane exits, not when all existing lanes continue through.

And the one on I-78 has a smaller radius.

Huh?  How is that a reply to what I said?

What has a smaller radius?  What does that have to do with EXIT ONLY plaques?

I was saying the exit lane is longer.

(Fixed your quote string.  'Preview' is your friend.)

That doesn't have anything to do with it.  The lane that exits does not exist more than just a few yards behind the sign.

I get it. It makes sense now. Notice how the sign is placed oddly and not directly below the exit lane.

[kphoger]

Yes.  It should be mounted farther to the right.  (It should probably also be mounted at the beginning of the taper, rather than halfway down the deceleration lane.)



A simple way to remember what needs an EXIT ONLY plaque is that the MUTCD states they should be used for lane drops.

[wanderer2575]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

[tolbs17]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

So this one for sure violates that.

[wanderer2575]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

So this one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.

[tolbs17]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

So this one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.

Surprised they didn't put one here.

[JoePCool14]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

So this one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.

Surprised they didn't put one here.

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

[wanderer2575]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

So this one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.

Surprised they didn't put one here.

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

I actually agree with tolbs17 on this one.  A second exit-only lane is added just before the exit.  But the first exit-only lane was added just before this first sign, so it should have an EXIT ONLY plaque.  The difference between this and my second example above is that in the example the exit-only lane was added past the first sign.

[jeffandnicole]

^^ What I've experienced is that an EXIT ONLY plaque is used on the exit sign only if there also is an EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign.  For example:

EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign...  https://goo.gl/maps/9AavjKz4QNkv3yts9
So the exit sign also gets an EXIT ONLY plaque.  https://goo.gl/maps/xBGaVYHUE2uL2HRVA

No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign (the exit lane opens up just past this sign)...  https://goo.gl/maps/RUKfKDqTJ8BuSto19
So no EXIT ONLY plaque on the exit sign.  https://goo.gl/maps/ScYufbUQMhUuFSvZ7

So this one for sure violates that.

No, it doesn't.  This is exactly the same as my second example above.  No EXIT ONLY plaque on the advance sign 1/2 mile back, so no EXIT ONLY plaque at the exit.

Surprised they didn't put one here.

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

I actually agree with tolbs17 on this one.  A second exit-only lane is added just before the exit.  But the first exit-only lane was added just before this first sign, so it should have an EXIT ONLY plaque.

A deceleration lane was added after the 1/2 mile sign.  Then the right thru lane splits at the gore point.   No Exit Only needed, because both thru lanes prior to the enter interchange still continue.

If there was a sign between the 1/2 mile and the exit sign at the gore point, an APL could be used.

[Dirt Roads]

Surprised they didn't put one here.

I'm not. The lane is added just before the exit. Therefore, EXIT ONLY is still not necessary.

I actually agree with tolbs17 on this one.  A second exit-only lane is added just before the exit.  But the first exit-only lane was added just before this first sign, so it should have an EXIT ONLY plaque.

A deceleration lane was added after the 1/2 mile sign.  Then the right thru lane splits at the gore point.   No Exit Only needed, because both thru lanes prior to the enter interchange still continue.

If there was a sign between the 1/2 mile and the exit sign at the gore point, an APL could be used.

This appears to me as an NCDOT design quirk.  After all, the "through route" should be to continue around the Greensboro Outer Beltway using Exit 131.  But NCDOT wisely configured I-85 mainline traffic down the middle at both I-85 legs into/out of the Outer Beltway.  From that point of view, neither route is truly an "Exit Only" situation, but rather a split.  They also did this for the I-40 leg into the west side of the Outer Beltway, but the southwest quadrant got renumbered to I-73 after the reconstruction of the short-lived Greensboro Green-40 was completed. 

As best as I can remember, none of the split legs off of the Greensboro Outer Beltway are marked as "Exit Only".

[tolbs17]

I have to say, the Chapel Hill sign and the EXIT ONLY sign looks childish.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?

[tolbs17]

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8849538,-78.8696303,3a,55.1y,338.16h,101.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYaSNIgBI-dB-h1G_y6ESOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is the 1 1/4 the strange part?

No sir, it is not. Look at the 2 ls on Chapel Hill.

[hotdogPi]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7046