Unpopular Anything Road-Related Opinions

[formulanone]

Are there any commonly used signs with no legend or imagery? I suppose I'd get used to it, but it definitely seems like something's missing there.

Types 1-4 object markers are used generically, though usually for a range of purposes.

OM1-3 is a pretty good example; no buttons nor stripes on it.

[kphoger]

IMO this is enough for an all language stop sign

Are there any commonly used signs with no legend or imagery? I suppose I'd get used to it, but it definitely seems like something's missing there.

I found this when looking through a list of road signs in China

That's a fairly common sign in Europe as well.

For example, I once crossed a railroad track at a train station in the Netherlands.  I saw the sign below on the pathway, but I thought that, because there was no slash through the circle, crossing was not prohibited.  I got yelled at by a station employee.

I'll also point out that, even though stop signs aren't used without some sort of legend, yield signs are.

Theoretically, I think Ireland has the configuration below for STOP AHEAD.  However, I don't know if this is actually commonly used in the field.

[Scott5114]

The international standard Do Not Enter is the same as ours, but cutout and without the text:

[MaddogMicharski]

Jughandles should be used more frequently on major arterial roads.

[kphoger]

And we're all very surprised to see that you're from New Jersey.

[CtrlAltDel]

There are a few more "blank" signs than I thought. I guess, then, that the empty stop sign could work.

[SkyPesos]

Thought of this when looking at I-580 NV and discussing exit numbers on US 36 MO in the Missouri thread earlier.

It should be an option to use the US Route's mile markers (and exit numbers) on Interstate/US Route concurrencies if the two routes are completely concurrent in the Interstate's stretch, the US Route's mile marker numbers are larger, and the US Route continues as a freeway right past the interstate's terminus.

An example of this already existing is I-22/US 78 in MS. I-22 starts at Exit 12 at its western terminus with I-269 because US 78 continues as a freeway further west to the TN line. It makes much more sense doing it this way than having the sole US 78 portion be numbered exits 1-12, then restarting at exit 1 when I-22 begins.

Same could be said about Future I-72 in MO using US 36's mileposts/exit numbers instead of its own, since it's more likely that I-72 would end at I-29 or I-35 than continue all the way to the KS border. And I-580 in NV, I don't like that jump from exit 36 (using I-580 mileposts) to exit 68 (using US 395 mileposts) at the former's northern terminus at I-80. It was perfectly fine before the exits got renumbered, when the whole stretch of I-580 used US 395's greater numbered mileposts and exit numbers.

[Mapmikey]

Thought of this when looking at I-580 NV and discussing exit numbers on US 36 MO in the Missouri thread earlier.

It should be an option to use the US Route's mile markers (and exit numbers) on Interstate/US Route concurrencies if the two routes are completely concurrent in the Interstate's stretch, and the US Route continues as a freeway right past the interstate's terminus.

An example of this already existing is I-22/US 78 in MS. I-22 starts at Exit 12 at its western terminus with I-269 because US 78 continues as a freeway further west to the TN line. It makes much more sense doing it this way than having the sole US 78 portion be numbered exits 1-12, then restarting at exit 1 when I-22 begins.

Same could be said about Future I-72 in MO using US 36's mileposts/exit numbers instead of its own, since it's more likely that I-72 would end at I-29 or I-35 than continue all the way to the KS border. And I-580 in NV, I don't like that jump from exit 36 (using I-580 mileposts) to exit 68 (using US 395 mileposts) at the former's northern terminus at I-80. It was perfectly fine before the exits got renumbered, and the whole stretch of I-580 used US 395's mileposts and exit numbers.

I585 using US 176's mile markers may be the OG of this concept.

[TBKS1]

I honestly think that the US Route violations (400, 412, 425) are pretty unique. I should also say that I have absolutely no issue with Clearview or any other font, as long as I can read it.

I don't really know a whole lot about roads themselves, I pretty much only take pictures of road signs and that's it lol

[Scott5114]

I should also say that I have absolutely no issue with Clearview or any other font, as long as I can read it.

Are you fine with the corruption part of the story? Because the typeface itself I can take or leave, but Meeker & Associates's conduct during the whole Clearview affair makes my blood boil. 

[CtrlAltDel]

It should be an option to use the US Route's mile markers (and exit numbers) on Interstate/US Route concurrencies if the two routes are completely concurrent in the Interstate's stretch, the US Route's mile marker numbers are larger, and the US Route continues as a freeway right past the interstate's terminus.

Why does it matter that the US route numbers be larger?

[OracleUsr]

Okay, I thought NOT liking Clearview might be more unpopular, but I guess not (I don't).

I like left exits too, where appropriate (like highway splits).

[LilianaUwU]

Okay, I thought NOT liking Clearview might be more unpopular, but I guess not (I don't).

From what I've read, the forum was very anti-Clearview in its early days.

[Rothman]

Okay, I thought NOT liking Clearview might be more unpopular, but I guess not (I don't).

From what I've read, the forum was very anti-Clearview in its early days.

Still is.

[wanderer2575]

Okay, I thought NOT liking Clearview might be more unpopular, but I guess not (I don't).

From what I've read, the forum was very anti-Clearview in its early days.

I don't have an issue with Clearview, per se.  I've got an issue with agencies (such as Michigan DOT) spending zillions of dollars to replace signs that don't need replacing, just to get the font out there, while existing roads and bridges become increasingly inadequate.

[vdeane]

I prefer FHWA, but I don't mind Clearview text as long as it's applied per the terms of the interim approval.  For whatever reason I don't like how the numbers look, and that dislike has only grown with time.  Someone once asked by I hate British Columbia's Clearview signs but am fine with Québec's, and I think the answer comes down to British Columbia using Clearview numbers everywhere (even in shields), whereas Québec only uses Clearview for text.

There's also, of course, Meeker's corruption.  I wouldn't mind getting rid of Clearview for that reason alone.  Companies shouldn't be allowed to profit from fraudulent studies and lobbying Congress to bail them out when FHWA realized what happened.

[US20IL64]

FHWA e's look like c's and vice versa.     

[Tom958]

IMO this is enough for an all language stop sign

Put a diagram of the intersection on it, in white.

[CtrlAltDel]

IMO this is enough for an all language stop sign

Put a diagram of the intersection on it, in white.

Ooh, with thick lines for the directions that need to stop and think lines for the directions that don't. Or vice versa. I don't know.

[TBKS1]

I should also say that I have absolutely no issue with Clearview or any other font, as long as I can read it.

Are you fine with the corruption part of the story? Because the typeface itself I can take or leave, but Meeker & Associates's conduct during the whole Clearview affair makes my blood boil.

I literally know nothing about that. This is probably a stupid question but were they trying to mandate it initially?

[vdeane]

IMO this is enough for an all language stop sign

Put a diagram of the intersection on it, in white.

Ooh, with thick lines for the directions that need to stop and think lines for the directions that don't. Or vice versa. I don't know.

Perhaps something like this?

[CtrlAltDel]

That'll work, and it's definitely clear what the meaning is, but what I had in mind was something like this:



In the first, the cross street is wider, which would imply that cross traffic doesn't have a stop sign, while in the second, the two streets are the same width, which would imply that it's a four-way stop. And of course, all the other variations could be displayed in a similar way.

[bing101]

Demolish CA-90 Marina freeway and make it an arterial only for the city or county levels?

[CNGL-Leudimin]

IMO a County Route can never be a highway. Which leads to a paradox, in which CR 215 around the West side of Las Vegas cannot be considered a highway but only a minor road despite it being a freeway. Now that is something.

[vdeane]

IMO a County Route can never be a highway. Which leads to a paradox, in which CR 215 around the West side of Las Vegas cannot be considered a highway but only a minor road despite it being a freeway. Now that is something.

Suffolk County, NY would like a word with you.  Many of the most major surface streets are actually county routes, with the major county roads actually being more major than most of the non-freeway state routes.  I would say the major exceptions are NY 110, NY 231, NY 347, NY 454, NY 114, and NY 27.  CR 46, CR 83, and CR 97 are the major north-south routes in that part of the county, not nearby NY 112, for example.  CR 111 is more major than NY 24.  And CR 48 is more major than NY 25.