Control cities that aren't actually cities

Started by BridgesToIdealism, July 18, 2021, 10:18:31 AM

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BridgesToIdealism

What examples do you know of where a control city is not actually a city (or a town at all, for that matter). Off the top of my head, I know of:

* I-95/Blue Star Turnpike in NH heading north approaching the Portsmouth Traffic Circle, the control city is "All Maine Points" rather than "Kittery", "York", or "Portland"

* MA-3/Pilgrims Highway south I'm pretty sure there at least were control cities that simply say "Cape Cod" rather than "Hyannis" or "Provincetown" (no idea if they've been replaced as part of exit renumbering)

* I-695/Baltimore Beltway at the stack interchange with I-70, the ramps leading towards the park & ride are signed as "Local Traffic" as a control city, instead of "Baltimore" (since you can indirectly access the city from there via Security Boulevard)

* I-355/Veterans Memorial Tollway in Metro Chicago has "Northwest Suburbs" as control cities rather than actually naming one or two of the suburbs

* One of the freeways in Milwaukee (can't remember which one) has "To Airport" as a control city when heading south, instead of "Chicago" or one of its northern suburbs

What else?
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1995hoo

Various signs in the District of Columbia use Capitol Hill and Capital One Arena, the latter sometimes misspelled as "Capitol One Arena" (formerly, and still widely, known as Verizon Center), as control "points."

I'm sure we've had this discussion before because invariably someone complains about New York City using the bridges or tunnels.
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jp the roadgeek

IDOT and it's love of control states.

Several uses of "Downtown"  such as I-45 in Houston

"Eastern LI"  and "Cape Cod"  on 2 different I-495's (also Midtown WB on the NY one)
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hotdogPi

Thru Traffic, various places
other Desert Cities (yes, lowercase), I-10 in California

Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on July 18, 2021, 10:18:31 AM
* MA-3/Pilgrims Highway south I'm pretty sure there at least were control cities that simply say "Cape Cod" rather than "Hyannis" or "Provincetown" (no idea if they've been replaced as part of exit renumbering)

Hyannis isn't a city or town, either. It's part of Barnstable.
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MN:

"IRON RANGE"  for MN 33
"NORTH SHORE"  for MN 61
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bing101

Beach cities for westbound CA-91 in Riverside

Hollywood for older US-101 northbound signs in Downtown LA.
Civic Center I-80 and US-101 but that was prior to the central freeway being removed.
I-5 south   South gets used as a control city for I-5 from Downtown San Diego to the border.

SkyPesos

#8
- "Interstate 270"  on I-255 north of the I-55/70 junction.
- Various interstates that uses "Airport"  as a control city. I-70 IN, I-275 KY and I-670 OH are nearby examples to me.

WillWeaverRVA

I-264 uses "Virginia Beach Oceanfront" or just "Oceanfront" within the city of Virginia Beach. The Oceanfront is not a separate city (although I'm sure some people in Virginia Beach wish it was).

I-64, I-664, US 17, and VA 168 use "Outer Banks", which is also not a single city (in fact, there are no cities at all, it is a collection of towns and villages). US 17 doesn't even go to the Outer Banks, although it is also signed up for Elizabeth City, where it actually does go.

SR 784 eastbound's control city from I-95 is "Rippon Landing", which is a large master-planned subdivision within the larger CDP of Woodbridge.
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jp the roadgeek

"Canada" or "Mexico" on interstates near the border.
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sprjus4

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 18, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
I-64, I-664, US 17, and VA 168 use "Outer Banks", which is also not a single city (in fact, there are no cities at all, it is a collection of towns and villages). US 17 doesn't even go to the Outer Banks, although it is also signed up for Elizabeth City, where it actually does go.
Interestingly enough, all signage used to list "Nags Head / Manteo"  until more recently when all signage was replaced with "Outer Banks" .

Some legacy signage still exists, however.
https://goo.gl/maps/Ek4RbYXKY5RyYC1d6
https://goo.gl/maps/38x8ZMpwvFBDAao68
https://goo.gl/maps/AUeAgH5Dy53gCqCx5

What signage lists I-64 and US-17 with a control city of "Outer Banks" ? I'm aware I-664 does in Hampton, encouraging through traffic to bypass the HRBT, but not of the other two.

sprjus4

Similar to the above situation, I-37 / US-281 south of San Antonio uses a control city of "Rio Grande Valley" . I-37 does not head there, though US-281 does after splitting with the interstate further south, continuing as a four lane expressway.

US-13 in Hampton Roads has various signage listing "Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel" .

ilpt4u

Quote from: SkyPesos on July 18, 2021, 11:09:49 AM
- "Interstate 270"  on I-255 north of the I-55/70 junction.
- Various interstates that uses "Airport"  as a control city. I-70 IN, I-275 KY and I-670 OH are nearby examples to me.
I-294 uses O'Hare

I-24 WB in IL uses Interstate 57 instead of St Louis, which is used in Paducah, KY for 24 WB

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SkyPesos

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 18, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
So, will this thread get merged?
I think a new thread is preferable over necroposting on a 10 year old thread.

Rothman

Quote from: SkyPesos on July 18, 2021, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 18, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
So, will this thread get merged?
I think a new thread is preferable over necroposting on a 10 year old thread.
Nah.  Merge the thread.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: SkyPesos on July 18, 2021, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 18, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
So, will this thread get merged?
I think a new thread is preferable over necroposting on a 10 year old thread.
That other thread's last post was only back in December.
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tolbs17

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 18, 2021, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 18, 2021, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 18, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
So, will this thread get merged?
I think a new thread is preferable over necroposting on a 10 year old thread.
That other thread's last post was only back in December.
look at it now.

oscar

Not mentioned in the earlier thread is that Quebec likes to use control provinces or states. For just one example, near the south end of Autoroute 85 is an overhead sign for Nouveau-Brunswick, rather then the next major city Edmundston.
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 18, 2021, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 18, 2021, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 18, 2021, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 18, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
So, will this thread get merged?
I think a new thread is preferable over necroposting on a 10 year old thread.
That other thread's last post was only back in December.
look at it now.
Both of these threads do not need to coexist.
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tolbs17

I say, Wytheville in the proposed northern Beltway in Winston-Salem. I'm talking about I-74.

They are using it instead of Mount Airy and yet I-74 is not yet signed in Virginia.

SkyPesos

Quote from: tolbs17 on October 24, 2021, 07:04:55 AM
I say, Wytheville in the proposed northern Beltway in Winston-Salem. I'm talking about I-74.

They are using it instead of Mount Airy and yet I-74 is not yet signed in Virginia.
Check the thread title + this thread is a duplicate of another one if you read the previous replies.

hotdogPi

Quote from: SkyPesos on October 24, 2021, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 24, 2021, 07:04:55 AM
I say, Wytheville in the proposed northern Beltway in Winston-Salem. I'm talking about I-74.

They are using it instead of Mount Airy and yet I-74 is not yet signed in Virginia.
Check the thread title + this thread is a duplicate of another one if you read the previous replies.

I noticed that it didn't seem to match, and then I checked... Wytheville is a town, not a city. I still don't think that was the intent of this thread, though.
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