Bay Area/NorCal Road Binge

[Max Rockatansky]

Had to drop my fiance off at SFO before sunrise this morning.  That being the case I took the opportunity to get in as many Bay Area routes today as I could before bailing out for new stuff in Sacramento Valley tomorrow.  I'll eventually work up historical blogs and the standard stuff I usually do but for now I have all my photos from today aside from Unbuilt CA 179 ready to go:

I-380

https://flic.kr/s/aHskNqTWdX

CA 82 from San Francisco south to I-380

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmye8hvP

Old CA 1 on the Devil's Slide

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvm7Pkj

CA 92

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm9wd82a

CA 238 in Hayward and I-238 west

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmAnEdCB

CA 84 over the Dumbarton Bridge

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvmdP5C

CA 87

https://flic.kr/s/aHskRHEdbS

CA 262

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmAnGmBt

CA 185 from I-238 north to CA 112

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm9wh6Nv

CA 112

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm9whEQx

CA 61 and CA 260 through the Posey Tube

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm9wkMmH

CA 77

https://flic.kr/s/aHskNr96Tk

CA 13 Freeway

https://flic.kr/s/aHskRHMqxb

CA 242

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmAnPvmD

I-680 over the Benicia-Martinez Bridge

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmAAvVfY

I-780

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvmpsUf

CA 113 north to I-80

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvmqDQG

I-505 north to CA 128/CR E6

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmyetxgF

[Max Rockatansky]

Some thoughts on each route before I close the night out...

I-380

-  Pretty much all the signage is a poor state of repair for the most part, lots of button copy left over.  I was getting hammered by rain which is why my photos sucked but the point of the route is clearly conveyed to launch traffic to/from SFO to either US 101 or I-280.

CA 82

-  I could see the El Camino Real having some local uses still approaching San Francisco.  The road grade is surprising decent and for suburban surface highway is is incredibly well signed.  The north terminus doesn't have a clear-cut connection to northbound I-280 but I doubt that's a common movement.

Devil's Slide/Old CA 1

-  No surprise this was replaced by tunnels.  I'd like to try the original route on foot over Montaro Mountain one of these days.

CA 92

-  Half Moon Bay east to San Mateo probably has enough traffic to justify widening but the terrain essentially is unworkable.  The San Mateo Bridge is criminally underrated as a crossing of San Francisco Bay given it has views of everything.  The eastern terminus is unclear in Hayward with the signage but I might be missing a reliquishment.

CA 238/I-238

-  There is no CA 238 signage to be found in Hayward from what I observed.  I-238 is just what everyone thinks it is, a glorified state highway extension that should have never kept it's current number.

CA 84 Dumbarton Bridge

-  The surface quality on both ends of the Dumbarton Bridge is incredibly poor and needs to be repaired.  Really this would be the lowest ranking of the Bay Area bridge crossings in my opinion.

CA 87

-  I never tried this route in traffic but I imagine it is a nightmare with only four regular lanes for the most part.  HOV lanes don't make a ton of sense to me until a roadway is at least 8 lanes wide.

CA 262

-  This route is unsigned from the surface and probably could use an overpass to smooth out the transition from I-880 to I-680.  Traffic was backing up heavily onto the I-680 ramp and the red light cameras posted locally don't help with the traffic.

CA 185

-  Total abortion of a route that ought to be relinquished as soon as possible.  The road surface north of I-238 is probably the worst I've experienced on a State Highway...at least it is is signed from the freeway.

CA 112

-  No signage on the surface and really this ought be part of CA 61.

CA 61 and CA 260

-  What a weird "official ending" in Alameda.  The double end signage in Alameda along with the Posey Tube was incredibly strange.  Again, CA 260 ought to be part of CA 61 even though there is technically a gap in the route.

CA 77

-  There was two shields on my northbound approach to CA 185.  The route is not signed from I-880.

CA 13 Freeway

-  Interesting freeway straddling the hills above Oakland.  The scenery is nice but the connection from I-880 south is weird being routed on a surface.

CA 242

-  Really there isn't too much to say, probably one of the most generic freeways I've found in California.

I-680 Benicia-Martinez Bridge

-  Nothing too exciting about this crossing, from the northbound approach there wasn't much to see.

I-780

-  There was some interesting views westbound that made it slightly more interesting that CA 242

CA 113 north to I-80

-  Really haggard old highway that needs some repaving badly.  The 90 degree turns are certainly a throwback along with the historic US 40 shields in Dixon.

I-505 to CA 128/CR E6

-  Really smooth and I was surprised how fast this ramped up to 70 MPH.

Unbuilt CA 179 on Pleasant Valley Road

-  I discovered this one by accident in 2017 heading east on CA 128.  I really dig the old bridge from 1907 and the fun but workable twisties.  The current route is fairly useful and sufficient despite it never being upgraded to CA 179.

[SeriesE]

Looks like the signs for CA-85 on CA-87 used the wrong up arrows. What a shame, as the signs looks so nice besides that issue.

[Max Rockatansky]

Looks like the signs for CA-85 on CA-87 used the wrong up arrows. What a shame, as the signs looks so nice besides that issue.

Personally I kind of dig the button copy that's in decent shape on CA 87.  Most of it around the Bay Area is substantially more weathered. 

[Max Rockatansky]

Finished up the Unbuilt CA 179 album today:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskRJHR2y


So today is more Sacramento Valley and the Sierra Foothills.  Here is what I have set to do:

CA 45
CA 191 (at least the first reassurance shield and guide sign saying Paradise is 13 miles away....I'm interested in context for the history of the road not the destruction of a town)
CA 149
CA 162 east of CA 70 to Lake Oroville
CA 65 north segment
CA 193
CA 104

If I have time I'm debating do the CA 4 freeway in Stockton and possibly the CA 120 freeway as well.  I had a thought to drive the remaining segments of US 99W between Stockton and Manteca but I think that have enough of urban slogging for one weekend.  I might try some north Bay stuff on the way back next Sunday.  I think that I figured out a good way to tackle rain and glare while photo taking that seemed effective yesterday.

[AsphaltPlanet]

A lot of these photos look like they have been exposed for the highlights (the sky), which makes the road (and signs) too dark.  You might want to try turning on your phone's HDR mode to try and bring out some of the shadow detail to make your photos look better.  The only thing I'd suggest is trying out the HDR mode of your phone first before going out and shooting for a day.  HDR blends a couple of images that have been recording in quick succession, and could add some blur to your photos depending on how the image is processed.

[Max Rockatansky]

A lot of these photos look like they have been exposed for the highlights (the sky), which makes the road (and signs) too dark.  You might want to try turning on your phone's HDR mode to try and bring out some of the shadow detail to make your photos look better.  The only thing I'd suggest is trying out the HDR mode of your phone first before going out and shooting for a day.  HDR blends a couple of images that have been recording in quick succession, and could add some blur to your photos depending on how the image is processed.

Some of it early on especially in the CA 92 album was condensation from running on the Devils Slide I didn't know was there until the CA 35 junction.  The HDR setting on my camera phone is absolutely terrible at speed and blurs more often than not.  The best I've come up with is to shut it off and correct as best I can in photoshop.  Generally I try to avoid facing the sun as much as possible but that's not something that can always be done.

I'm trying out a new piece of flat black fabric on this trip for my dash.  Limited access roads have given me a ton of trouble in the past.  Things have been easier this trip but really the last conclusion I can really draw is that I need a new camera sooner rather than later.  Generally speaking the moving photos are good enough for a blog series but I'd like to have them better, especially on limited access.  I'm kind of dreading getting started with all this map research all this stuff is going to take...

Slight change of plans.  I'm going to stay mostly in the valley and round out my Sacramento stuff with CA 160 and CA 244.  I'm thinking about making a out of CA 104, 16 east and 193 in March

[AsphaltPlanet]

I guess you are limited by your device.

You could try adjusting the shadows slider in the "shadows/highlights" window of photoshop. but you're probably going to introduce a whole lot of noise.

[oscar]

CA 92

-  .... The eastern terminus is unclear in Hayward with the signage but I might be missing a reliquishment.

CA 238/I-238

-  There is no CA 238 signage to be found in Hayward from what I observed.

Yeah, the eastern end of CA 92 got relinquished, as well as the southern end of CA 185, and the middle of CA 238 including most or all of its non-freeway segment in Hayward.

CA 185

-  Total abortion of a route that ought to be relinquished as soon as possible.  The road surface north of I-238 is probably the worst I've experienced on a State Highway...at least it is is signed from the freeway.

I agree, having driven it all last October. The legislature has authorized relinquishment of the part north of Hayward that's already been removed from the state system. All that remains is for the affected local governments to agree to take it off Caltrans' hands.

[Max Rockatansky]

CA 92

-  .... The eastern terminus is unclear in Hayward with the signage but I might be missing a reliquishment.

CA 238/I-238

-  There is no CA 238 signage to be found in Hayward from what I observed.

Yeah, the eastern end of CA 92 got relinquished, as well as the southern end of CA 185, and the middle of CA 238 including most or all of its non-freeway segment in Hayward.

CA 185

-  Total abortion of a route that ought to be relinquished as soon as possible.  The road surface north of I-238 is probably the worst I've experienced on a State Highway...at least it is is signed from the freeway.

I agree, having driven it all last October. The legislature has authorized relinquishment of the part north of Hayward that's already been removed from the state system. All that remains is for the affected local governments to agree to take it off Caltrans' hands.

That's what I figured but I really didn't read up too much on the latest relinquishments until I got home tonight, I'm assuming the same thing happened to CA 238 in Hayward also. .  Its no wonder Caltrans would want to get rid of CA 185 given it is functionally obsolete with I-880 serving the role CA 17 once had.  I don't see any incentive for San Leandro to take over maintenance of such a haggard roadway until Caltrans makes some improvements to that surface quality. 

I guess you are limited by your device.

You could try adjusting the shadows slider in the "shadows/highlights" window of photoshop. but you're probably going to introduce a whole lot of noise.

After my upcoming wedding I'm hoping to finally makes some camera upgrades.  I've been thinking of moving to video format for freeways and limited access roadways but I'm really not sure give how much side stuff I tend to cover in blog series.  The biggest obstruction was reflection from the dashboard but that's been solved after this trip and the recent Florida stuff I did.  Now its just all glare to get rid of.

[Max Rockatansky]

So I changed things up today after I spent way more time than expected on CA 45 and CA 162 east of CA 70.  Essentially the game plan for March now is the following route in the Sierra Foothills:

-  CA 104 east
-  CA 16 (east section) west to US 50
-  US 50 east to CA 193 (I'll pick up the Mosquito Bridge on the way)
-  CA 193
-  Parts of the north CA 65 segment
-  CA 244
-  CA 160 north Sacramento Freeway...maybe the Delta again for old times sake.

But I digress, below is what I went through today:

CA 113 from I-80 to CA 45

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvmqDQG

-  Really the freeway segment is pretty straight forward and doesn't have much deviation to it.  I've heard calls to have this numbered as an Interstate and I can see why.  CA 113 north of I-5 is typical Sacramento Delta fare highway.


CA 45

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmAD8sS3

-  I did the full route and I have to say that this probably the most scenic surface route in San Joaquin Valley and Sacramento Valley.  There are plenty of wide views of all the ranges on the edges of Sacramento Valley and some nice views of the Sacramento River on high quality levees.  The segment south of CA 20 was kind of haggard but nothing all that crazy.  I really dig old towns like Grimes and Colusa which had lots of older structures to gawk at.


CA 149

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvoQ3w5

-  Nothing really special here the route is almost completely a freeway aside from one grade crossing. 


CA 191

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm9ySaTp

-  I took a picture of the first reassurance shields, the Paradise control city sign and signage indicating where the truck route ends.  I wanted to take CA 191 back in 2017 to see the Depot in Paradise but was feeling a little tired after CA 49 and CA 70 earlier in the day.  In retrospect I regret it given the fate of Paradise...at least the historic depot is still standing.  The smell of smoke and soot was still lingering at the CA 191/CA 70 junction, didn't feel right to go any further even though the road was open.  I have plenty to cover the history of the highway.


CA 162 east of CA 70 to Bidwell's Bar Bridge

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvoY5ny

-  The modern Bidwell's Bar Bridge is worth heading over Lake Oroville to see just by itself, what a pretty suspension structure.  Lake Oroville is way below capacity which revealed much of the true height of the modern bridge.  I stopped to see the original suspension bridge which is hidden away at Bidwell's Canyon Marina.


CA 70 from CA 149 to CA 99

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvoYrWf

-  Really I wanted this to flesh out my CA 70/Feather River Highway blog.  The route through Marysville is interesting enough really to warrant to taking this over CA 65 for now.


CA 99

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm9z2zUx

-  Given that I just did a long blog post regarding the history of surface highway routes in Sacramento I wanted to do at least part of the route of CA 99 north out of downtown.  CA 99 north of downtown Sacramento had nothing to do with either US 99W or US 99E and even existed alongside the two of them during the 1964 Highway Renumbering.


CA 4 Crosstown Freeway in Stockton

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmyhdVi8

-  Simple freeway that may or may not have implications with a possible I-7/I-9 someday, not much more to say.

[TheStranger]

That's what I figured but I really didn't read up too much on the latest relinquishments until I got home tonight, I'm assuming the same thing happened to CA 238 in Hayward also. .  Its no wonder Caltrans would want to get rid of CA 185 given it is functionally obsolete with I-880 serving the role CA 17 once had.  I don't see any incentive for San Leandro to take over maintenance of such a haggard roadway until Caltrans makes some improvements to that

185 was created to keep a portion of the old Route 17 under state maintenance, years after 17 had been moved to the Nimitz Freeway.  Kinda a similar deal to things like Route 72 (former US 101) in SoCal, Route 82/El Camino Real in the Bay Area (itself truncated in recent years), though at this rate CalTrans and the local municipalities seem to be very much about relinquishing as many state highway urban/suburban arterials as possible.

[Max Rockatansky]

That's what I figured but I really didn't read up too much on the latest relinquishments until I got home tonight, I'm assuming the same thing happened to CA 238 in Hayward also. .  Its no wonder Caltrans would want to get rid of CA 185 given it is functionally obsolete with I-880 serving the role CA 17 once had.  I don't see any incentive for San Leandro to take over maintenance of such a haggard roadway until Caltrans makes some improvements to that

185 was created to keep a portion of the old Route 17 under state maintenance, years after 17 had been moved to the Nimitz Freeway.  Kinda a similar deal to things like Route 72 (former US 101) in SoCal, Route 82/El Camino Real in the Bay Area (itself truncated in recent years), though at this rate CalTrans and the local municipalities seem to be very much about relinquishing as many state highway urban/suburban arterials as possible.

That's what was surprising about CA 82 near San Franisco, it actually was very well Signed.  Compared to Routes like 109, 114, 185 and and 112 which aren't or hardly signed on the surface that was surprising to see.  Weirder still was seeing that 77 actually had multiple shields despite nothing from I-880. 

[mrsman]

That's what I figured but I really didn't read up too much on the latest relinquishments until I got home tonight, I'm assuming the same thing happened to CA 238 in Hayward also. .  Its no wonder Caltrans would want to get rid of CA 185 given it is functionally obsolete with I-880 serving the role CA 17 once had.  I don't see any incentive for San Leandro to take over maintenance of such a haggard roadway until Caltrans makes some improvements to that

185 was created to keep a portion of the old Route 17 under state maintenance, years after 17 had been moved to the Nimitz Freeway.  Kinda a similar deal to things like Route 72 (former US 101) in SoCal, Route 82/El Camino Real in the Bay Area (itself truncated in recent years), though at this rate CalTrans and the local municipalities seem to be very much about relinquishing as many state highway urban/suburban arterials as possible.

That's what was surprising about CA 82 near San Franisco, it actually was very well Signed.  Compared to Routes like 109, 114, 185 and and 112 which aren't or hardly signed on the surface that was surprising to see.  Weirder still was seeing that 77 actually had multiple shields despite nothing from I-880.

In my opinion, while it is a good idea to have a state-maintained road between Oakland and San Jose, there is no need to have a duplicate.  Before the Nimitz freeway was built, San Pablo avenue was a state-maintained highway, but now it is just a city street and should be maintained by the cities.  Other than for historical purposes, there is no need to sign this road as ca 185.  Ditto for ca 82 and 72.

Nexus 5X

[Max Rockatansky]

That's what I figured but I really didn't read up too much on the latest relinquishments until I got home tonight, I'm assuming the same thing happened to CA 238 in Hayward also. .  Its no wonder Caltrans would want to get rid of CA 185 given it is functionally obsolete with I-880 serving the role CA 17 once had.  I don't see any incentive for San Leandro to take over maintenance of such a haggard roadway until Caltrans makes some improvements to that

185 was created to keep a portion of the old Route 17 under state maintenance, years after 17 had been moved to the Nimitz Freeway.  Kinda a similar deal to things like Route 72 (former US 101) in SoCal, Route 82/El Camino Real in the Bay Area (itself truncated in recent years), though at this rate CalTrans and the local municipalities seem to be very much about relinquishing as many state highway urban/suburban arterials as possible.

That's what was surprising about CA 82 near San Franisco, it actually was very well Signed.  Compared to Routes like 109, 114, 185 and and 112 which aren't or hardly signed on the surface that was surprising to see.  Weirder still was seeing that 77 actually had multiple shields despite nothing from I-880.

In my opinion, while it is a good idea to have a state-maintained road between Oakland and San Jose, there is no need to have a duplicate.  Before the Nimitz freeway was built, San Pablo avenue was a state-maintained highway, but now it is just a city street and should be maintained by the cities.  Other than for historical purposes, there is no need to sign this road as ca 185.  Ditto for ca 82 and 72.

Nexus 5X

If I recall correctly wasn't El Camino Real still maintained as US 101 mainline even after the Bayshore Freeway (US 101 Bypass) was built due to localities wanting the route signed as such?  I suspect that plays a large part in why CA 82 is so well signed compared to other surface routes in the Bay Area.

While I agree that CA 185 and other routes like that are former parts of larger highways ought to be relinquished it seemed iffy to me that the condition of what Caltrans "does" maintain was so bad.  For one if it's in the state highway system it ought it be signed at least until it is given to local agency.  Stuff like not signing CA 114and CA 109 is inexcusable in my opinion since they are they are very much active highways that will likely remain for the foreseeable future.

[TheStranger]

Correct  - the Bayshore route was US 101 mainline starting in 1937 or so, but businesses lobbied to have 101 mainline restored to El Camino within 2 years of that.  The permanent switchover of 101 along Bayshore happened with the 1964 remembering.

114 reminds me of the now former segment of 170 along Highland Avenue in Hollywood: a surface street routing as a vestige of a cancelled freeway corridor.  Could argue that 61 and 77 in the East Bay are a similar situation as well.

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[Max Rockatansky]

Correct  - the Bayshore route was US 101 mainline starting in 1937 or so, but businesses lobbied to have 101 mainline restored to El Camino within 2 years of that.  The permanent switchover of 101 along Bayshore happened with the 1964 remembering.

114 reminds me of the now former segment of 170 along Highland Avenue in Hollywood: a surface street routing as a vestige of a cancelled freeway corridor.  Could argue that 61 and 77 in the East Bay are a similar situation as well.

SAMSUNG-SM-G930A

That's what I thought, I suppose it made more sense to have the "bypass"  on the freeway routing. 

Even thought 114 isn't to the scope it was planned the route does connect 84 and US 101 which not even 109 technically does due to a locally maintained segment.  I searched for a new CA 114 at the ramp construction on US 101, sadly it has not been replaced. 

[TheStranger]

I suspect some of the deemphasis of 114 as a signed state route is because prior to the early 2000s, it had been signed 84; but with the in-the-field rerouting to Bayfront Expressway drivers are encouraged now to use that instead (Willow Road/114 is semi residential).

I have only seen 1 114 shields
in person,  off 101 south at the Willow interchange about 3 or 4 years ago.  Think it was removed after the interchange  was rebuilt

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[Max Rockatansky]

So next Sunday I need to make a return trip to San Francisco to pick up from the airport.  That being the case I'll probably be spending the day out in the area again.  I'm looking at hiking most of the morning but here is what I have in mind for road stuff:

-  The covered bridge near Felton
-  CA 84 in the Santa Cruz Range
-  The new Bay Bridge since I've never driven the current structure somehow. 
-  Maybe the former right of way of the Embarcadero Freeway. 

[sparker]

I suspect some of the deemphasis of 114 as a signed state route is because prior to the early 2000s, it had been signed 84; but with the in-the-field rerouting to Bayfront Expressway drivers are encouraged now to use that instead (Willow Road/114 is semi residential).

I have only seen 1 114 shields
in person,  off 101 south at the Willow interchange about 3 or 4 years ago.  Think it was removed after the interchange  was rebuilt

SAMSUNG-SM-G930A

There were "EAST CA 114" trailblazers from US 101 in both directions when I was up here on a visit back in 2008; by the time I had moved up here for good four years later they were gone.   East of the US 101 interchange, CA 114/Willow Road is completely industrial, but west of there the road (under Menlo Park maintenance at that point) is a meandering arterial serving as part of the principal access to central Menlo Park from the east; not much has changed since the '80's along that stretch. 

[Max Rockatansky]

I suspect some of the deemphasis of 114 as a signed state route is because prior to the early 2000s, it had been signed 84; but with the in-the-field rerouting to Bayfront Expressway drivers are encouraged now to use that instead (Willow Road/114 is semi residential).

I have only seen 1 114 shields
in person,  off 101 south at the Willow interchange about 3 or 4 years ago.  Think it was removed after the interchange  was rebuilt

SAMSUNG-SM-G930A

There were "EAST CA 114" trailblazers from US 101 in both directions when I was up here on a visit back in 2008; by the time I had moved up here for good four years later they were gone.   East of the US 101 interchange, CA 114/Willow Road is completely industrial, but west of there the road (under Menlo Park maintenance at that point) is a meandering arterial serving as part of the principal access to central Menlo Park from the east; not much has changed since the '80's along that stretch.

Seems the recent interchange rebuild has taken them way and made 114 unsigned again.

[oscar]

I suspect some of the deemphasis of 114 as a signed state route is because prior to the early 2000s, it had been signed 84; but with the in-the-field rerouting to Bayfront Expressway drivers are encouraged now to use that instead (Willow Road/114 is semi residential).

I have only seen 1 114 shields
in person,  off 101 south at the Willow interchange about 3 or 4 years ago.  Think it was removed after the interchange  was rebuilt

There were "EAST CA 114" trailblazers from US 101 in both directions when I was up here on a visit back in 2008; by the time I had moved up here for good four years later they were gone.   East of the US 101 interchange, CA 114/Willow Road is completely industrial, but west of there the road (under Menlo Park maintenance at that point) is a meandering arterial serving as part of the principal access to central Menlo Park from the east; not much has changed since the '80's along that stretch.

Seems the recent interchange rebuild has taken them way and made 114 unsigned again.

Last October, I traveled 114 in both directions, and from both US 101 northbound and southbound. No 114 signage to be found.

[Max Rockatansky]

I have my plans finalized for my return day trip to the Bay Area:

-  I'll be hitting part of CA 123 and following to City Hall in Oakland the pre-Bay Bridge terminus of Us 40/50.
-  I'll be crossing to San Francisco Via the Bay Bridge. 
-  I'm looking at hitting the terminus of I-280 and King Street and follow Embarcadero Hyde Street Pier.  From Hyde Street Pier I'm looking following the original alignment of US 101 out of the city.
-  I'm looking at taking CA 84 over the Santa Cruz Mountains to do some hiking.  The only road related item I'm looking at from there is the Felton Covered Bridge. 

I figure I'll hike until sundown and start heading towards San Francisco International.  I'm just hoping the plane will be on time since I have a good 2.5 hour drive back home from there. 

[TheStranger]

-  I'm looking at hitting the terminus of I-280 and King Street and follow Embarcadero Hyde Street Pier.  From Hyde Street Pier I'm looking following the original alignment of US 101 out of the city.

In South San Francisco will you stick on El Camino the whole way through or use the older Mission Road alignment?

I think that is the one spot along Route 82 where an older alignment is nearby; otherwise, it primarily sticks to the existing road.  The section in Burlingame is a bit bumpy and narrow compared to the portions north and south of there.

In Colma I think the pavement for 82 is the original 1930s-1940s concrete when it was US 101W/US 101.

[Max Rockatansky]

-  I'm looking at hitting the terminus of I-280 and King Street and follow Embarcadero Hyde Street Pier.  From Hyde Street Pier I'm looking following the original alignment of US 101 out of the city.

In South San Francisco will you stick on El Camino the whole way through or use the older Mission Road alignment?

I think that is the one spot along Route 82 where an older alignment is nearby; otherwise, it primarily sticks to the existing road.  The section in Burlingame is a bit bumpy and narrow compared to the portions north and south of there.

In Colma I think the pavement for 82 is the original 1930s-1940s concrete when it was US 101W/US 101.

Actually I was just going to take the Old alignment out of the City Limits and hitting I-280 Via John Daly.  Now that you reminded I might make the Detour down Old Mission.