North Carolina

[ARMOURERERIC]

Also, IMO, the span was too narrow to ever widen NC 150 to 4 lanes, I may be wrong tho.

[tolbs17]

Also, IMO, the span was too narrow to ever widen NC 150 to 4 lanes, I may be wrong tho.

So, that's the reason why they didn't use steel girders?

[jdunlop]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

[tolbs17]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

[jdunlop]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

[tolbs17]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

From the 2016 study on the NCDOT website.

[jdunlop]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

From the 2016 study on the NCDOT website.

A link would be helpful.  Still doesn't answer my question of why the two interchanges are related, and why if a DDI is proposed at Gorman, it affects a decision for South Saunders.

[tolbs17]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

From the 2016 study on the NCDOT website.

A link would be helpful.  Still doesn't answer my question of why the two interchanges are related, and why if a DDI is proposed at Gorman, it affects a decision for South Saunders.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf

Skip to page 33.

[jdunlop]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

From the 2016 study on the NCDOT website.

A link would be helpful.  Still doesn't answer my question of why the two interchanges are related, and why if a DDI is proposed at Gorman, it affects a decision for South Saunders.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf

Skip to page 33.

OK, at least I see where/when the DDI was proposed.  I could probably get as good or better improvements with just added turn lanes on the ramps.  Couldn't do it with the I-40 rebuild because additional capacity wasn't allowed due to the NEPA rules (the auxiliary lanes on I-40 were not considered additional capacity, FYI.)

Again, still doesn't relate to why you think the recommendations at Gorman Street would mean a DDI would work at South Saunders.  Care to finally answer?

[tolbs17]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

From the 2016 study on the NCDOT website.

A link would be helpful.  Still doesn't answer my question of why the two interchanges are related, and why if a DDI is proposed at Gorman, it affects a decision for South Saunders.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf

Skip to page 33.

Again, still doesn't relate to why you think the recommendations at Gorman Street would mean a DDI would work at South Saunders.  Care to finally answer?

Because See the interchange at I-75 and University parkway. They built a large DDI over there and that carries nearly the same amount of traffic as South Saunders does. The streams and how much traffic is on South Saunders is probably keeping them from building a DDI there.

Also, page 66 shows a proposed Parclo A4.

[jdunlop]

https://divergingdiamond.com/item/i-40-south-saunders/

Is a DDI still proposed at this interchange?

No, the DDI was proposed by the Design-Build team rebuilding I-40 because they were temporarily removing the off-ramp loops, but the DDI would be worse than the existing Parclo-B configuration once the ramps were replaced.  Plus, there were environmental issues with the design (there's a couple of streams right next to the ramps on both the north and south sides.)

But there is one proposed at Gorman.

I'm not familiar with any study at Gorman, but regardless, a DDI working there is independent of one working (or not) at S. Saunders.  Different traffic volumes.  Why would you think they're related, other than being nearby?

From the 2016 study on the NCDOT website.

A link would be helpful.  Still doesn't answer my question of why the two interchanges are related, and why if a DDI is proposed at Gorman, it affects a decision for South Saunders.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf

Skip to page 33.

Again, still doesn't relate to why you think the recommendations at Gorman Street would mean a DDI would work at South Saunders.  Care to finally answer?

Because See the interchange at I-75 and University parkway. They built a large DDI over there and that carries nearly the same amount of traffic as South Saunders does. The streams and how much traffic is on South Saunders is probably keeping them from building a DDI there.

The combination of the streams limiting construction space (as I mentioned earlier) and/or needing to rebuild the I-40 bridge over South Saunders to get enough width underneath, which would be very difficult, meant the DDI wasn't the answer.  (I am familiar with the I-75/University Parkway DDI.  The lead consultant (and my former boss) asked me what I thought about it as they were designing it.)

For a DDI, it might be better in the peak (not all the time, though), but enough worse in the off-peak to make it a net negative for travel time/delay.  It's not a panacea for all interchange traffic woes.

The Parclo-B (like the one at S. Saunders) is probably the most efficient interchange configuration for an at-grade cross-street.  Of course, it still might not be efficient enough (with limited laneage) to be enough to avoid traffic issues.  I see S. Saunders backed up way up the hill (heading south) in the evening when I cross over on I-40.  If I was in downtown Raleigh heading south in the evening, I'd do what I could to get over to Wilmington St. to avoid that interchange.

[LM117]

The overhead signs at the I-95/I-74 interchange in Lumberton will be replaced as part of the same contract that also calls for replacing all NC-295 signs with I-295 shields in Fayetteville (as mentioned in the Fayetteville I-295 thread).

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-14-07-fayettevile-signage-updated.aspx

[tolbs17]

The overhead signs at the I-95/I-74 interchange in Lumberton will be replaced as part of the same contract that also calls for replacing all NC-295 signs with I-295 shields in Fayetteville (as mentioned in the Fayetteville I-295 thread).

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-14-07-fayettevile-signage-updated.aspx

I hope they do it for the US-264 interchange as well. Those signs are even older... But probably won't get replaced until I-587 is operational.

[tolbs17]

https://edocs.deq.nc.gov/WaterResources/DocView.aspx?dbid=0&id=112684&page=2&cr=1

Skip to page 113 and here's the old proposal of upgrading the NC-73 I-85 interchange.

[LM117]

Meanwhile, the Welcome Center and rest area on I-85 near the VA state line closed today for renovations, which are expected to take up to 12 weeks to complete.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-04-13-i-85-welcome-center-rest-area-closed.aspx

The Welcome Center is now open. However, the rest area on I-85 North in Granville County is still closed. It's expected to reopen by August.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-07-16-i-85-welcome-center-reopens.aspx

[Love2drive]

US 29 South in Greensboro is closed this weekend between 16th street and Interstate 40.  Through traffic is routed along 785 South



https://greensboro.com/news/local/secton-of-u-s-29-south-in-greensboro-to-close-for-roadwork-this-weekend/article_5701d8d4-e67b-11eb-91f5-e328f4e53d4b.html

[tolbs17]

After going to Raleigh today... There are some damaged (and missing) signs.

Missing
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https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6011734,-77.5625291,3a,44.3y,175.7h,89.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYI6ptEtb9Lmr1b2iOol7bg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Damaged
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https://www.google.com/maps/@35.78953,-78.13873,3a,15y,130.59h,92.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ8jZYhiRrzO1TeueMu5Mog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8161024,-78.2473157,3a,75y,305.04h,93.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOtQMvjX29cTubF_FZ1gbAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

i see no problems with any of those signs...

He's saying they're now missing or damaged, not in the Street View.

And here's more evidence.

https://www.cbs17.com/news/investigators/ncdot-says-i-440-overhead-sign-that-blew-away-in-storm-was-due-for-a-replacement/

[The Ghostbuster]

Saved the highway workers a little work in removing the old signs.

[tolbs17]

I wonder why this section is not posted 50 or 55 mph.

[Mapmikey]

I wonder why this section is not posted 50 or 55 mph.

It is within the Bridgerton City Limits which is where the 45 zone starts a bit north of your link.  As soon as the other side of the corporate limit is reached, it goes back up to 55.

[tolbs17]

I wonder why this section is not posted 50 or 55 mph.

It is within the Bridgerton City Limits which is where the 45 zone starts a bit north of your link.  As soon as the other side of the corporate limit is reached, it goes back up to 55.

The speed limit there is ignored though

[nerdom]

Lol. Go ahead and ignore that speed limit and you wish you hadn't. Bridgeton has a jet black Charger with decals that are dark gray and they don't play. They can't wait for you to fly off that bridge.

[sprjus4]

^ His point is the speed limit is deliberately artificial low and combined with heavy enforcement, is a blatant speed trap.

[architect77]

On the new concrete 8-lane stretch of I-85 between Charlotte and Greensboro I noticed that a lot of upcoming exit signs are raised pedestals on the shoulder instead of the norm for I-85 which is extreme cantilevers lunging out from the shoulder.

i wonder if this was a cost-cutting measure for that particular project or if it's the new norm.

I used to hate the raised pedestals on the shoulder because they're not as readable as being directly over the roadway, but I'm not against them anymore after Georgia cluttered up all its interstates by mounting single signs to full gantries supported on both sides of the highway which is the most ludicrous waste of money and blight on any aesthetic qualities an interstate can have.

I hope the raised pedestals aren't new cheaper standard for NC though.

[tolbs17]

On the new concrete 8-lane stretch of I-85 between Charlotte and Greensboro I noticed that a lot of upcoming exit signs are raised pedestals on the shoulder instead of the norm for I-85 which is extreme cantilevers lunging out from the shoulder.

i wonder if this was a cost-cutting measure for that particular project or if it's the new norm.

I used to hate the raised pedestals on the shoulder because they're not as readable as being directly over the roadway, but I'm not against them anymore after Georgia cluttered up all its interstates by mounting single signs to full gantries supported on both sides of the highway which is the most ludicrous waste of money and blight on any aesthetic qualities an interstate can have.

I hope the raised pedestals aren't new cheaper standard for NC though.

I hate those ew.

And, where do you see such signs? Cause I know that this isn't one of them.

Although there's one here!

And another one here.