Title: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on January 20, 2009, 11:51:22 PM
Post by: FLRoads on January 20, 2009, 11:51:22 PM
Does anybody know the status of the final section(s) of TN 840 from TN 100 to Williamson County Road 246?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Chris on January 27, 2009, 01:43:31 PM
Post by: Chris on January 27, 2009, 01:43:31 PM
Are there plans to complete the State Route 840 alltogether? It would probably be the longest beltway in the world clocking at nearl 180 miles.
wiki:
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wiki:
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Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on January 27, 2009, 02:06:45 PM
Post by: FLRoads on January 27, 2009, 02:06:45 PM
Nope. I believe plans for the northern portion of TN 840 have been scrapped. There will never be any money for it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on January 27, 2009, 10:38:22 PM
Post by: mightyace on January 27, 2009, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on January 27, 2009, 02:06:45 PM
Nope. I believe plans for the northern portion of TN 840 have been scrapped. There will never be any money for it.
Unless the new Tennessee toll road authority revives it. :wow:
As for the southern section:
I live near the unfinished southern section of TN 840 and just last week I went to TDOT's website http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/ (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/) to check on the status. The state has apparently is requesting bids on the unfinished sections of the road.
There has been a lot of wrangling with environmental concerns that recently got resolved and a new routing has been decided. We actually haven't had much trouble with NIMBY's. Actually, many of the locals want an exit on Leiper's Creek Road and the state refuses to put one there!
The whole reason for the environmental issues stem from the fact that the state is building the road as TN 840 with NO federal funds so that they only have to follow state environmental impact rules as opposed to the more stringent federal rules if it was I-840.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on January 27, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
Post by: FLRoads on January 27, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
Thanks for the info, mightyace. Yeah, I looked at the TN site last week and I saw the same thing about the request for bids. Glad to hear that there will not be any more environmental and NIMBY issues with these final segments. Maybe in three to five years the Nashville area will finally have their southern outer (or as I call it outer, outer) beltway completed.
And I will have to check on this new Tennessee toll road authority...interesting...
And I will have to check on this new Tennessee toll road authority...interesting...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lamsalfl on January 27, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
Post by: lamsalfl on January 27, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
all of 840 should be tolled. This can help prevent sprawl I think. If you're thinking "Orlando's toll roads didn't prevent sprawl" you're right, but 840 is WAY out there. You'd have to pay more money to drive the road since you'd need to drive more miles. Toll it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on January 27, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
Post by: FLRoads on January 27, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
Quote from: lamsalfl on January 27, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
all of 840 should be tolled. This can help prevent sprawl I think. If you're thinking "Orlando's toll roads didn't prevent sprawl" you're right, but 840 is WAY out there. You'd have to pay more money to drive the road since you'd need to drive more miles. Toll it.
You're right, Orlando's toll roads did not prevent sprawl. But the difference here is that 3/4's of this highway have already been built and opened to traffic for several years now, with some portions over a decade. And I am sure if TNDOT or a toll authority could toll it, it would meet extreme opposition. And tolling it would only slow sprawl down, not prevent it. Of course the current state of the economy is doing well enough to slow it :)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on January 28, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
Post by: mightyace on January 28, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on January 27, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
And I will have to check on this new Tennessee toll road authority...interesting...
The tolling authority thing was something I remembered from The Tennessean newspaper back in the summer of 2007.
Here's a link I found from Google http://www.ooida.com/Legislative_Watch/2007/TN/Updates/SB1152.html (http://www.ooida.com/Legislative_Watch/2007/TN/Updates/SB1152.html)
The only project that was specifically mentioned was the "Neelley's Bend Connector" a link from Goodlettesville or Gallatin to Briley Parkway near Opryland.
Now, since TN 840 was built without Federal funds and is currently a state route, no federal approval would be necessary to toll it. However, I think that the Tennessee Tollway Act does not allow putting tolls on existing highways. Plus, with the lack of traffic on that road, I don't know whether tolling would make sense.
Also, at the present time, there is little sprawl that TN 840 seems to have caused but with the growth here in middle TN who knows how long that will last.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 28, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 28, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
I wonder if TNDOT will upgrade the "Breezewood gap" of TN-111 at its junction with I-40 at Cookeville? http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=36.164202&lon=-85.504295&z=15&r=0&src=ggl (http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=36.164202&lon=-85.504295&z=15&r=0&src=ggl)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadgeek on January 29, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
Post by: roadgeek on January 29, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
TN has too many US Routes with suffix's. US 31E, US 31W, US 31A...I mean c'mon!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on January 29, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
Post by: mightyace on January 29, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: roadgeek on January 29, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
TN has too many US Routes with suffix's. US 31E, US 31W, US 31A...I mean c'mon!
Yeah, east of Nashville, US 70 splits into US 70N, US 70 and US 70S! :confused:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on January 29, 2009, 10:52:34 PM
Post by: FLRoads on January 29, 2009, 10:52:34 PM
Quote from: roadgeek on January 29, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
TN has too many US Routes with suffix's. US 31E, US 31W, US 31A...I mean c'mon!
There is nothing wrong with the suffixed U.S. highways anywhere. In fact it's a shame there aren't more since AASHTO has gotten rid of some. It's a part of the rich history of the U.S. Highway system.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on February 01, 2009, 11:33:23 AM
Post by: FLRoads on February 01, 2009, 11:33:23 AM
It apparently didn't confuse people 70-80 years ago when they were established. And if it confuses people today, then all suffixed highways would be gone, but they are not, are they?? And yes, I know the answer to that one will be "it costs money."
The main reason it may cause confusion in today's society is that we have too many "rocks" out there and we have to spell everything out for them so they do not get too confused.
Many others may not agree with my ways of thinking, but I am sticking to my guns.
The main reason it may cause confusion in today's society is that we have too many "rocks" out there and we have to spell everything out for them so they do not get too confused.
Many others may not agree with my ways of thinking, but I am sticking to my guns.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 02, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 02, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
I much prefer a suffix A over an ALTERNATE banner. Banners should be only for direction ... the shield itself should contain complete information to uniquely identify the road. Texas has it right for BUSINESS being in the shield itself.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on February 16, 2009, 01:00:59 PM
Post by: FLRoads on February 16, 2009, 01:00:59 PM
Would anyone know the current status of the toll feasibility study for the Intra County Parkway that will bypass the Sevierville and Pigeon Forge area?
Title: Tennessee Tollway Act Status
Post by: mightyace on February 26, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
Post by: mightyace on February 26, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
Below is a link to the Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT) pages on the Tennessee Tollway Act.
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tollway/default.shtml (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tollway/default.shtml)
These pages include up to date (Jan. 1, 2009) documents on the proposed pilot projects and their status.
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tollway/default.shtml (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tollway/default.shtml)
These pages include up to date (Jan. 1, 2009) documents on the proposed pilot projects and their status.
Title: Re: Tennessee Tollway Act Status
Post by: FLRoads on February 26, 2009, 06:42:03 PM
Post by: FLRoads on February 26, 2009, 06:42:03 PM
In reading through the general provisions I see that only new highways, bridges and additional lanes will be constructed as toll. So where does the future Interstate 69 and the remainder of future Interstate 269 stand? Are monies already allocated to those specific projects, or will they too be constructed as toll facilities?
Title: Re: Tennessee Tollway Act Status
Post by: mightyace on February 26, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
Post by: mightyace on February 26, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
IIRC Tennessee is only funding current (read in progress) projects like TN 840.
I skimmed the documents and I-69 and 269 are not on the list of pilot projects. The only one in the Memphis area is a new Mississippi River bridge near Memphis. IIRC This one is listed as not going forward as a toll facility due to local opposition and tolls would only partially fund the project.
That's one of the interesting things about the document is that none of the 8 proposed pilot projects (4 highway, 4 bridge) would be self-sufficient via toll revenue.
The other thing is at the end of it the author(s) conclude that restricting it to new highways may make it impossible to find a viable candidate.
Bridge Projects
1) Mississippi River Bridge — Memphis Area
2) Tennessee River Bridge — Chattanooga/Hamilton County
3) Tennessee River Bridge — Benton/Houston Counties
4) Hadley Bend Connector — Nashville Area
Highway Projects
1) State Route 475 (Knoxville Parkway) (shown on AA-roads as future I-475 (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-475_tn.html))
2) Knoxville Area State Route 374 Extension— Clarksville/Montgomery County
3) Intra-County Parkway — Sevier County (Galinburg, Dollywood)
4) Mack Hatcher Parkway Extension — Franklin Area/Williamson County (a very short unbuilt portion of a loop bypass)
I skimmed the documents and I-69 and 269 are not on the list of pilot projects. The only one in the Memphis area is a new Mississippi River bridge near Memphis. IIRC This one is listed as not going forward as a toll facility due to local opposition and tolls would only partially fund the project.
That's one of the interesting things about the document is that none of the 8 proposed pilot projects (4 highway, 4 bridge) would be self-sufficient via toll revenue.
The other thing is at the end of it the author(s) conclude that restricting it to new highways may make it impossible to find a viable candidate.
Bridge Projects
1) Mississippi River Bridge — Memphis Area
2) Tennessee River Bridge — Chattanooga/Hamilton County
3) Tennessee River Bridge — Benton/Houston Counties
4) Hadley Bend Connector — Nashville Area
Highway Projects
1) State Route 475 (Knoxville Parkway) (shown on AA-roads as future I-475 (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-475_tn.html))
2) Knoxville Area State Route 374 Extension— Clarksville/Montgomery County
3) Intra-County Parkway — Sevier County (Galinburg, Dollywood)
4) Mack Hatcher Parkway Extension — Franklin Area/Williamson County (a very short unbuilt portion of a loop bypass)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom on June 21, 2009, 10:34:11 AM
Post by: Tom on June 21, 2009, 10:34:11 AM
I thought this article would go along with this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Tennessee) :coffee:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Tennessee) :coffee:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
Post by: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
Does anyone know when US-78 will be upgraded to a full freeway from I-269 to the Mississippi Border for I-22?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on June 22, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
Post by: froggie on June 22, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
QuoteDoes anyone know when US-78 will be upgraded to a full freeway from I-269 to the Mississippi Border for I-22?
Assuming you mean from I-240 to the Mississippi line, since US 78 is already freeway- grade from the state line down to Future I-269.
And the short answer is: it's not. There are no plans to upgrade US 78 in Tennessee to freeway.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 23, 2009, 02:16:21 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 23, 2009, 02:16:21 AM
Has anybody been able to ID where the newest section of Future Interstate I-269 (TN-385) ends yet?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/14/three-mile-segment-of-385-02/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/14/three-mile-segment-of-385-02/)
I can follow it so far in the sat shots in Google/Yahoo, but it all of a sudden ends in the middle of nowhere, and there isn't another road there....
Any help would be appreciated so I can extend my copy of Future I-269 (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?mt=g&r=tn.i269futmem) for the Clinched Highways Project.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/14/three-mile-segment-of-385-02/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/14/three-mile-segment-of-385-02/)
I can follow it so far in the sat shots in Google/Yahoo, but it all of a sudden ends in the middle of nowhere, and there isn't another road there....
Any help would be appreciated so I can extend my copy of Future I-269 (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?mt=g&r=tn.i269futmem) for the Clinched Highways Project.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Revive 755 on June 23, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
Post by: Revive 755 on June 23, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 01, 2009, 10:44:21 AM
Times change. Things move on. And having two nearby routes with the same route number does cause confusion.
If they want the alt routes, use an ALT banner. But don't use a suffix.
If someone can't distinguish 70 from 70N, 70S, or 70A, I have to wonder if they can recognize a few other differences such as the difference between 264 and 265. I also hope they don't travel into states where letter suffixes are common like Nebraska and Oklahoma.
That said, there are some departments that don't help the issue such as whoever was responsible for the I-29N shields in Council Bluffs.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2009, 08:15:39 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2009, 08:15:39 PM
I'd much rather have the "A" than the "ALT" banner. The banner I think should be restricted only to describe features that are directly related to the road in question: i.e. NORTH, JCT, TO ... ALT implies a direct relationship to, say, 64. "64A" and "64" note that the roads are as distinct as, say, "64" and "164".
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on June 23, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
Post by: mightyace on June 23, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2009, 08:15:39 PM
I'd much rather have the "A" than the "ALT" banner. The banner I think should be restricted only to describe features that are directly related to the road in question: i.e. NORTH, JCT, TO ... ALT implies a direct relationship to, say, 64. "64A" and "64" note that the roads are as distinct as, say, "64" and "164".
I mostly agree with you, the only place where it would get tricky is with three digit US routes.
In PA, the old US 220 routing from Port Matilda to Milesburg is signed as ALT-US 220. In your scheme, it would be US 220A. I don't have a problem with the designation, but it would make for a strange sign.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
not all that strange...
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NC/NC19574411t204411.jpg)
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NC/NC19574411t204411.jpg)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alps on June 24, 2009, 06:25:52 PM
Post by: Alps on June 24, 2009, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: mightyace on June 23, 2009, 08:24:53 PMQuote from: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2009, 08:15:39 PM
I'd much rather have the "A" than the "ALT" banner. The banner I think should be restricted only to describe features that are directly related to the road in question: i.e. NORTH, JCT, TO ... ALT implies a direct relationship to, say, 64. "64A" and "64" note that the roads are as distinct as, say, "64" and "164".
I mostly agree with you, the only place where it would get tricky is with three digit US routes.
In PA, the old US 220 routing from Port Matilda to Milesburg is signed as ALT-US 220. In your scheme, it would be US 220A. I don't have a problem with the designation, but it would make for a strange sign.
NC does it with a hyphen! That's five characters wide.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on July 21, 2009, 06:07:25 PM
Post by: mightyace on July 21, 2009, 06:07:25 PM
Some ghost ramps may soon be disappearing. :clap:
#
Bredesen Breaks Ground on Recovery Act Project in Nashville
July 1, 2009
Gov. Phil Bredesen joined TDOT Commissioner Gerald Nicely and state and local officials to break ground on Phase II of the I-40-White Bridge Road interchange improvement project funded with federal ARRA dollars.......More (http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/2187)
#
Bredesen Breaks Ground on Recovery Act Project in Nashville
July 1, 2009
Gov. Phil Bredesen joined TDOT Commissioner Gerald Nicely and state and local officials to break ground on Phase II of the I-40-White Bridge Road interchange improvement project funded with federal ARRA dollars.......More (http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/2187)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Hey guys, has anybody been on I-75 in Chattanooga lately? I'm wondering if they have finally opened up Exit #9 (Volunteer Ordnance Road) yet.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2009, 03:13:10 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2009, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 02, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
I much prefer a suffix A over an ALTERNATE banner. Banners should be only for direction ... the shield itself should contain complete information to uniquely identify the road. Texas has it right for BUSINESS being in the shield itself.
Which states do it which way?
Tennessee, North Carolina and Ohio use the suffix. Kentucky, Virginia, Alabama and West Virginia use the banner.
And of those that use the banner, which spell out "Alternate" and which abbreviate it "ALT?" (KY and VA spell it out, WV abbreviates.
I prefer the banner, especially since a "B" suffix can stand for either Business or By-Pass.
And why is "By-Pass" hyphenated and not just "Bypass?" :hmmm:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
Quote from: mightyace on June 23, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
I mostly agree with you, the only place where it would get tricky is with three digit US routes.
In PA, the old US 220 routing from Port Matilda to Milesburg is signed as ALT-US 220. In your scheme, it would be US 220A. I don't have a problem with the designation, but it would make for a strange sign.
You mean like this?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.millenniumhwy.net%2FCharlotte_Roadgeek_mtg_2003%2FCharlotte_Roadgeek_mtg_2003-Images%2F21.jpg&hash=289b4a1c9dbd0874f50fea420f10040dadadb6f2)
Or this?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.millenniumhwy.net%2FCharlotte_Roadgeek_mtg_2003%2FCharlotte_Roadgeek_mtg_2003-Images%2F22.jpg&hash=b7d51d25a2de3bd8f393869aa67767b0fc40ea10)
Interesting that the interstate guide sign for the above route is signed differently...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.millenniumhwy.net%2FCharlotte_Roadgeek_mtg_2003%2FCharlotte_Roadgeek_mtg_2003-Images%2F20.jpg&hash=5877379d32f8094f14858fbd36c1e9c3af8acb16)
Then there's this...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.millenniumhwy.net%2F2008_VA_NC%2FImages%2F91.jpg&hash=64a18cd9c8c9eb31717c63901c48ad9c7256b227)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
Bypass should be "Y". It makes intuitive sense with the letter looking like a fork in the road. Alternately, one does not need "Bypass" if they have business; the bypass can be the mainline.
Nevada and Idaho had ALTERNATE instead of the state name on old shields but now are banners.
Every embossed route marker I have seen has had it about half height (3" instead of 5") with the suffix vertically centered.
states with suffixes on flat shields:
Arkansas has it half-height, vertically centered or top aligned.
Arizona has it full height for 89A, but top aligned half-height for 95S.
California - all banners, all the time. Lame.
Connecticut used a half-height A, bottom aligned.
Delaware - full height
Florida - full height suffix A for older state routes, banner for US and newer state routes. Hyphen for "S-" prefix, no hyphen for suffix, or for A1A, A19A, G19A. S-A1A exists, as does Alt A1A (!) with a banner.
Georgia - banner inside shield (BUSINESS, SPUR, CONN, etc)
Hawaii - H- prefix, either with hyphen (older) or without (newer) on interstate shields
Idaho - banner instead of state name (ALTERNATE) on older cutouts, then banner inside shield (SPUR) on newer ones. Suffixed I-15W, I-80N had letter below the number, half-height.
Illinois - banner instead of state name (CITY ROUTE, BUSINESS, BY-PASS) on older cutouts, occasional banner inside shield (BUSINESS or BUSN)
Kentucky - older black square shields have half-height vertically centered, newer ones have full-height suffix
Massachusetts - full height. Don't know about old US-5A (1930s) as I have never seen an example.
Maine - older shields had half-height, bottom aligned, while newer ones are full-height.
Maryland - BUSINESS banner inside shield on occasion, and both half- and full-height for 70N, 70S interstate shields.
Minnesota - BUSINESS banner inside shield on occasion. All 35E and 35W shields I've seen are full height.
Missouri - CITY ROUTE or ALTERNATE on occasional very old shields, including some on guide signs
Mississippi - half-height, centered, on older shields, and on newer ones full height
North Carolina - full height is all I've seen, even on older flat shields
Nebraska - SPUR or LINK in state highways replaces covered wagon; suffix letter is half-height, bottom aligned. Older shields have CITY ROUTE instead of NEBRASKA
New Hampshire - older routes had the suffix below the number, centered horizontally and half-height. Newer ones are full height, and have a hyphen.
New Mexico - FORMER 666 has banner inside shield.
Nevada - older shields have ALTERNATE instead of NEVADA; nowadays all banners.
New York - older shields have half-height suffix, newer ones are full height.
Ohio had the suffix A at half-height or less (one-third?), vertically centered. Also used TEMPORARY instead of OHIO in very old shields. 80S had the S below the number, 80 and S all the same height.
Oklahoma - extra strange US shields, with BUSINESS or ALTERNATE banner squeezed within two horizontal lines, above the number ... all on a cutout blank! Makes sense for green signs, but they use them for pole mount too. For US shields, half-height, centered vertically.
Oregon - older shields half height and centered, newer ones (including 80N) full height
Pennsylvania - PA Turnpike is bannered, on two separate lines, within the shield for PA Turnpike 43, 66, etc.
Rhode Island has used both full height and bottom aligned half height, apparently interchangeably.
South Dakota uses a half-height A, top aligned and on occasion a superscript (higher than top aligned). One rogue town uses green and white BUSINESS/LOOP/14 on US cutouts as though it were an interstate business loop.
Tennessee - half height, top aligned, on older shields, and full height on newer ones.
Texas - BUSINESS banner within shield itself; older I-35E and I-35W had half-height letter below number; newer ones are full height suffix. On Alternate US-90 in Houston, banner says ALTERNATE on separate tab on pole-mounted signs, but some green signs survive with ALT 90 all within the shield.
Utah - reference to US-89A in Arizona features half-height suffix.
Virginia - just one example, an early 1950s cutout, with a full-height A. Otherwise, banner heaven for ALTERNATE, BUSINESS, etc. E and W were originally less than half-height, bottom aligned, but now are full-height.
Vermont - bottom-aligned, as much as 80% height, for letter A
Washington - old state routes had number above letter, both rows the same height.
Wisconsin - always bannered, with CITY on older assemblies.
Wyoming - old embossed shields had DETOUR instead of state name where applicable
there are probably other examples that I do not recall offhand; check the shield gallery!
Nevada and Idaho had ALTERNATE instead of the state name on old shields but now are banners.
Every embossed route marker I have seen has had it about half height (3" instead of 5") with the suffix vertically centered.
states with suffixes on flat shields:
Arkansas has it half-height, vertically centered or top aligned.
Arizona has it full height for 89A, but top aligned half-height for 95S.
California - all banners, all the time. Lame.
Connecticut used a half-height A, bottom aligned.
Delaware - full height
Florida - full height suffix A for older state routes, banner for US and newer state routes. Hyphen for "S-" prefix, no hyphen for suffix, or for A1A, A19A, G19A. S-A1A exists, as does Alt A1A (!) with a banner.
Georgia - banner inside shield (BUSINESS, SPUR, CONN, etc)
Hawaii - H- prefix, either with hyphen (older) or without (newer) on interstate shields
Idaho - banner instead of state name (ALTERNATE) on older cutouts, then banner inside shield (SPUR) on newer ones. Suffixed I-15W, I-80N had letter below the number, half-height.
Illinois - banner instead of state name (CITY ROUTE, BUSINESS, BY-PASS) on older cutouts, occasional banner inside shield (BUSINESS or BUSN)
Kentucky - older black square shields have half-height vertically centered, newer ones have full-height suffix
Massachusetts - full height. Don't know about old US-5A (1930s) as I have never seen an example.
Maine - older shields had half-height, bottom aligned, while newer ones are full-height.
Maryland - BUSINESS banner inside shield on occasion, and both half- and full-height for 70N, 70S interstate shields.
Minnesota - BUSINESS banner inside shield on occasion. All 35E and 35W shields I've seen are full height.
Missouri - CITY ROUTE or ALTERNATE on occasional very old shields, including some on guide signs
Mississippi - half-height, centered, on older shields, and on newer ones full height
North Carolina - full height is all I've seen, even on older flat shields
Nebraska - SPUR or LINK in state highways replaces covered wagon; suffix letter is half-height, bottom aligned. Older shields have CITY ROUTE instead of NEBRASKA
New Hampshire - older routes had the suffix below the number, centered horizontally and half-height. Newer ones are full height, and have a hyphen.
New Mexico - FORMER 666 has banner inside shield.
Nevada - older shields have ALTERNATE instead of NEVADA; nowadays all banners.
New York - older shields have half-height suffix, newer ones are full height.
Ohio had the suffix A at half-height or less (one-third?), vertically centered. Also used TEMPORARY instead of OHIO in very old shields. 80S had the S below the number, 80 and S all the same height.
Oklahoma - extra strange US shields, with BUSINESS or ALTERNATE banner squeezed within two horizontal lines, above the number ... all on a cutout blank! Makes sense for green signs, but they use them for pole mount too. For US shields, half-height, centered vertically.
Oregon - older shields half height and centered, newer ones (including 80N) full height
Pennsylvania - PA Turnpike is bannered, on two separate lines, within the shield for PA Turnpike 43, 66, etc.
Rhode Island has used both full height and bottom aligned half height, apparently interchangeably.
South Dakota uses a half-height A, top aligned and on occasion a superscript (higher than top aligned). One rogue town uses green and white BUSINESS/LOOP/14 on US cutouts as though it were an interstate business loop.
Tennessee - half height, top aligned, on older shields, and full height on newer ones.
Texas - BUSINESS banner within shield itself; older I-35E and I-35W had half-height letter below number; newer ones are full height suffix. On Alternate US-90 in Houston, banner says ALTERNATE on separate tab on pole-mounted signs, but some green signs survive with ALT 90 all within the shield.
Utah - reference to US-89A in Arizona features half-height suffix.
Virginia - just one example, an early 1950s cutout, with a full-height A. Otherwise, banner heaven for ALTERNATE, BUSINESS, etc. E and W were originally less than half-height, bottom aligned, but now are full-height.
Vermont - bottom-aligned, as much as 80% height, for letter A
Washington - old state routes had number above letter, both rows the same height.
Wisconsin - always bannered, with CITY on older assemblies.
Wyoming - old embossed shields had DETOUR instead of state name where applicable
there are probably other examples that I do not recall offhand; check the shield gallery!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on September 12, 2009, 06:00:45 PM
Post by: mightyace on September 12, 2009, 06:00:45 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Hey guys, has anybody been on I-75 in Chattanooga lately? I'm wondering if they have finally opened up Exit #9 (Volunteer Ordnance Road) yet.
Good news and bad news.
The good news is that I was on I-75 in Chattanooga last weekend. The bad news is that I didn't go up that far - only about exit 5 or so. I was headed on to Atlanta via I-24 and 75 and took a short detour, but the section of I-75 I was on did look rebuilt, including the exits.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on September 12, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
Post by: mightyace on September 12, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
Ohio had the suffix A at half-height or less (one-third?), vertically centered. Also used TEMPORARY instead of OHIO in very old shields. 80S had the S below the number, 80 and S all the same height.
It wasn't all of them. I remember passing through Akron as a kid and seeing the I-80S signs with the S full height to the right of the numbers. When I moved to Akron is 1985, they were still using the same BGS and you could see where the wide 80S sign was removed for the 76 sign. (This sign lasted until the mid-90s when that stretch of highway was rebuilt. The last trip I remember it being 80S was either 72 or 74 and by the next trip (74 or 76) the 80S sign has been replaced.
Since I was only 7 or 9 the last I saw the I-80S signs, I don't have any pictures.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: mightyace on September 12, 2009, 06:00:45 PMQuote from: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Hey guys, has anybody been on I-75 in Chattanooga lately? I'm wondering if they have finally opened up Exit #9 (Volunteer Ordnance Road) yet.
Good news and bad news.
The good news is that I was on I-75 in Chattanooga last weekend. The bad news is that I didn't go up that far - only about exit 5 or so. I was headed on to Atlanta via I-24 and 75 and took a short detour, but the section of I-75 I was on did look rebuilt, including the exits.
Alright. :( I know the exit is "done" because in sat views, everything is already painted, yet the exit (as far as I know) isn't opened yet...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on September 13, 2009, 06:13:18 AM
Post by: froggie on September 13, 2009, 06:13:18 AM
Those same satellite views also show it not connecting to any other side streets/side roads...not even any work being done to connect it. In other words, it's a dead-end exit. So that's probably why it hasn't opened yet.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on September 21, 2009, 08:05:53 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on September 21, 2009, 08:05:53 PM
This new I-75 exit will primarily serve the new Volkswagen plant, which is currently under construction and will probably open in 2011 or 2012. Right now the exit is helpful for construction traffic. I'm sure other vendors of Volkswagen are planning on setting up shop close by.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on October 08, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
Post by: mightyace on October 08, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
I was traveling on I-65 on the south side of Nashville yesterday, and noticed that a number of poles about 20-30 feet high placed along the edge of the road with a couple per mile.
I'll let everyone know once I find out what they're for. (Traffic cams, speeding cams, etc.)
I'll let everyone know once I find out what they're for. (Traffic cams, speeding cams, etc.)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on October 31, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
Post by: froggie on October 31, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
Look at Mr. Mast's post from 9/12.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: simguy228 on November 14, 2009, 05:52:31 PM
Post by: simguy228 on November 14, 2009, 05:52:31 PM
Everu U.S Route in TN that I see has a split with E and W or N and S (For example U.S 19W and U.S 19E)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on November 15, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: froggie on November 15, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
QuoteEveru U.S Route in TN that I see has a split with E and W or N and S (For example U.S 19W and U.S 19E)
23? 27? 43? 51? 64?
Not all of them. Or did you mean those routes you've personally been on?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: simguy228 on November 15, 2009, 07:15:56 PM
Post by: simguy228 on November 15, 2009, 07:15:56 PM
Quote from: froggie on November 15, 2009, 07:56:00 AMI meant the routes I've been onQuoteEveru U.S Route in TN that I see has a split with E and W or N and S (For example U.S 19W and U.S 19E)
23? 27? 43? 51? 64?
Not all of them. Or did you mean those routes you've personally been on?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on November 27, 2009, 12:00:28 AM
Post by: Alex on November 27, 2009, 12:00:28 AM
TDOT moves forward on I-65 project (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091120/COUNTY090101/911200310/1327/TDOT+moves+forward+on+I-65+project)
Sound barrier would be part of Franklin widening project
Sound barrier would be part of Franklin widening project
QuoteDespite uncertainty about crucial federal funding, state road officials are pushing forward on their plans to widen a traffic-choked six-mile section of Interstate 65 in Franklin.
That $80 million to $100 million project could include installing approximately a mile of sound barriers between the interstate and some homes built along it, officials said this week.
QuoteThe work would take an estimated two years to complete and could begin in 2012, if the federal money is available.
QuotePart of the project includes building a new $30 million Goose Creek interchange. The city has agreed to pay $4.8 million of that cost. When complete, the new eight-lane interchange would be similar to the McEwen Drive "single poin
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on December 02, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Post by: mightyace on December 02, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: AARoads on November 27, 2009, 12:00:28 AM
TDOT moves forward on I-65 project (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091120/COUNTY090101/911200310/1327/TDOT+moves+forward+on+I-65+project)
It's about bloody time. I travel that stretch of road nearly every day and the Peytonsville Rd. (what they call Goose Creek) exit #61 is an issue most of the day.
Quote"That's 10 years too late," Wright said about the work possibly starting in 2012. "This is just something that should have been done years ago."
Agreed. (See above)
However, this project will only widen I-65 between TN 96 (Exit 65) and TN 840 (Exit 59). It should be at least six lanes all the way to Saturn Parkway (TN 396, Exit 53).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: kf4lhp on December 16, 2009, 07:00:58 AM
Post by: kf4lhp on December 16, 2009, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 12, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Hey guys, has anybody been on I-75 in Chattanooga lately? I'm wondering if they have finally opened up Exit #9 (Volunteer Ordnance Road) yet.
Still closed. They've got some money to do a design-build project east into Collegedale, connecting to the existing Apison Pike and making it five-lane the whole way, and there is money to extend the road at least into Enterprise South on the west side (towards Volkswagen). Eventual plan is to connect it through all the way to SR 58.
There will be quite a bit of traffic once the Apison Pike connection is done; McKee puts a lot of traffic on the road (makers of Little Debbies).
--mws
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on January 07, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
Post by: Alex on January 07, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
While looking through the Google News Archives, I found this article (http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_52682.asp) about Chattanooga's Interstate system that tries to give rationale to the designing of Interstate 124.
QuoteINTERSTATE 124 — From "the big scramble" at I-24 to Signal Mountain Road
This freeway originated in the late 1950's as part of the West Side/Cameron Hill redevelopment and Olgiati Bridge projects. In some references, it was called the "Dayton (Tennessee) Freeway." There may have been plans to offer the freeway as a northern route into Chattanooga, to be coupled with an Interstate that never materialized. The freeway ended at Signal Mountain Road until Corridor J was built in the late 1980's. It was assigned the spur number "124," which frequently caused confusion and panic to travelers who attempted to decipher "I-24" vs. "I-124" signs.
When the "big scramble" interchange was re-worked in the late 1980's, U.S. 27 signs replaced most of the I-124 markers. I believe that there is still a small 124 sign as one leaves I-24 to merge onto U.S. 27
Title: Status of Tennessee 385
Post by: Alex on May 19, 2010, 08:23:09 PM
Post by: Alex on May 19, 2010, 08:23:09 PM
Does anyone know the status of Tennessee 385 east of Memphis? In other words, how much of the freeway is currently open to traffic?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 20, 2010, 12:26:21 PM
Post by: froggie on May 20, 2010, 12:26:21 PM
Here's your answer (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/sr385/).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 20, 2010, 01:31:02 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 20, 2010, 01:31:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 20, 2010, 12:26:21 PM
Here's your answer (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/sr385/).
Segment 4 is complete (from US 72 to TN 57), and I believe Segment 1 from I-40 to US 64 is also complete.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on May 20, 2010, 02:49:31 PM
Post by: Alex on May 20, 2010, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 20, 2010, 12:26:21 PM
Here's your answer (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/sr385/).
Thanks!
So all but Segment 3 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/sr385/proj2222.htm) is open, with Segment 3 possibly opening by late 2013.
Andy and I will be checking out the opened portions in a week and a half.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: brownpelican on June 02, 2010, 02:47:54 AM
Post by: brownpelican on June 02, 2010, 02:47:54 AM
I was in Memphis over the weekend and forgot to check out 385.
I do wonder what was the original plan for the ghost ramp from I-40 east at the Riverside Drive exit. Other than that, I was able to cover all of the freeway system inside the Memphis city limits except the DeSoto Bridge thanks to me and my lady going all over the place...even got a few pics. It's not a bad system if you ask me...even though I-40 wasn't built on its original route.
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I do wonder what was the original plan for the ghost ramp from I-40 east at the Riverside Drive exit. Other than that, I was able to cover all of the freeway system inside the Memphis city limits except the DeSoto Bridge thanks to me and my lady going all over the place...even got a few pics. It's not a bad system if you ask me...even though I-40 wasn't built on its original route.
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Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on June 02, 2010, 07:04:35 AM
Post by: froggie on June 02, 2010, 07:04:35 AM
Early proposals were for a freeway roughly along Riverside Dr between I-40 and I-55.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 30, 2010, 07:33:25 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 30, 2010, 07:33:25 AM
A project to add lanes to I-65 between TN 96 in Franklin and TN 840 is expected to begin this fall (http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=12718004).
IMO, the widening needs to be extended south to Saturn Pkwy since that is where it seems a lot of the traffic gets on I-65, but this is a big step in the right direction.
IMO, the widening needs to be extended south to Saturn Pkwy since that is where it seems a lot of the traffic gets on I-65, but this is a big step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on July 13, 2010, 09:09:11 PM
Post by: mightyace on July 13, 2010, 09:09:11 PM
I said the same thing several months ago.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=99.msg44934#msg44934
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=99.msg44934#msg44934
Title: Proposal to connect West End and north Nashville back on table
Post by: mightyace on September 13, 2010, 12:48:59 AM
Post by: mightyace on September 13, 2010, 12:48:59 AM
Proposal to connect West End and north Nashville back on table (http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/proposal-connect-west-end-and-north-nashville-back-table)
28th Street Connector Project Moves Forward (http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=13093653)
Getting moving on the 28th Avenue Connector (http://blogs.tennessean.com/politics/2010/getting-moving-on-the-28th-avenue-connector/)
28th Street Connector Project Moves Forward (http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=13093653)
Getting moving on the 28th Avenue Connector (http://blogs.tennessean.com/politics/2010/getting-moving-on-the-28th-avenue-connector/)
Title: TDOT Announces New I-55/ Crump Blvd. Interchange
Post by: Grzrd on September 13, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
Post by: Grzrd on September 13, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
TDOT announced today its choice for a new roundabout interchange for I-55/ Crump Blvd.:
http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/5930
Here's link to a pdf of the interchange: http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/system/files/I-55%20%40%20Crump%20Alt%20Z-1.PDF
http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/5930
Here's link to a pdf of the interchange: http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/system/files/I-55%20%40%20Crump%20Alt%20Z-1.PDF
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on September 13, 2010, 11:26:36 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on September 13, 2010, 11:26:36 PM
Catching up on a few quotes here...
If one would want to get from the West End/Venderbilt area up to I-65 north, this would lead to the 28th Ave. exit of I-40, and would be slightly less tedious than going west to I-440 W to I-40 E, or going east to I-40 E/I-65 N. This should have been built 20 years ago!
Just saw this tonight. Looks to be pretty creative, and the main thing is that it finally lets I-55 traffic flow uninterrupted and makes it a better alternative to the I-40 Hernando Desoto Bridge.
I've been saying this all along too, but I suppose more traffic now drops off at TN 840 than it did before it was extended from US 431 to US 31.
Still, though, once past both TN 840 and TN 386 (Saturn Pkwy.), it's a pretty dramatic drop in traffic all the way to Athens, AL. Maybe it's that animosity b/w Vols and Tide fans that keeps 65 at low volumes, not that I care one bit about it, but it's certainly a pleasant drive with pleasant scenery!
Quote from: mightyace on September 13, 2010, 12:48:59 AM
Proposal to connect West End and north Nashville back on table (http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/proposal-connect-west-end-and-north-nashville-back-table)
28th Street Connector Project Moves Forward (http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=13093653)
Getting moving on the 28th Avenue Connector (http://blogs.tennessean.com/politics/2010/getting-moving-on-the-28th-avenue-connector/)
If one would want to get from the West End/Venderbilt area up to I-65 north, this would lead to the 28th Ave. exit of I-40, and would be slightly less tedious than going west to I-440 W to I-40 E, or going east to I-40 E/I-65 N. This should have been built 20 years ago!
Quote from: Grzrd on September 13, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
TDOT announced today its choice for a new roundabout interchange for I-55/ Crump Blvd.:
http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/5930
Here's link to a pdf of the interchange: http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/system/files/I-55%20%40%20Crump%20Alt%20Z-1.PDF
Just saw this tonight. Looks to be pretty creative, and the main thing is that it finally lets I-55 traffic flow uninterrupted and makes it a better alternative to the I-40 Hernando Desoto Bridge.
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 30, 2010, 07:33:25 AM
A project to add lanes to I-65 between TN 96 in Franklin and TN 840 is expected to begin this fall (http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=12718004).
IMO, the widening needs to be extended south to Saturn Pkwy since that is where it seems a lot of the traffic gets on I-65, but this is a big step in the right direction.
I've been saying this all along too, but I suppose more traffic now drops off at TN 840 than it did before it was extended from US 431 to US 31.
Still, though, once past both TN 840 and TN 386 (Saturn Pkwy.), it's a pretty dramatic drop in traffic all the way to Athens, AL. Maybe it's that animosity b/w Vols and Tide fans that keeps 65 at low volumes, not that I care one bit about it, but it's certainly a pleasant drive with pleasant scenery!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on November 03, 2010, 12:48:23 AM
Post by: Alex on November 03, 2010, 12:48:23 AM
TDOT Announces 5th Interchange at Mine Lick Creek on I-40 in Cookeville (http://www.ucdailynews.com/news/local/TDOT-Announces-Project-to-Add-5th-Interchange-along-I-40-in-Cookeville-104908739.html)
Quote
Oct 13, 2010
Tennessee Department of Transportation officials joined Senator Charlotte Burks and Representatives Henry Fincher and Charles Curtiss to announce federal approval for a proposed new Interstate 40 interchange at Mine Lick Creek Road in Cookeville. The Federal Highway Administration has approved TDOT's Interstate Access request for the proposed interchange after determining that the diamond interchange alternative to connect I-40 to U.S. Highway 70 North and eventually to State Route 136 is operationally acceptable.
"Access into and out of a community is vital to its continued growth and development, so it is vital our infrastructure keep pace with expansion in the Cookeville area," said TDOT Commissioner Gerald Nicely. "Highway 70 North and State Route 136 are main routes in the city and once complete this interchange will improve access and increase economic development opportunities in this area."
The project is part of Putnam County's and Cookeville's long range transportation plan. The original request for a new interchange was made by former Cookeville Mayor Charles T. Womack, and the initial Interchange Justification Study was completed in August 2000. TDOT submitted the current Interchange Justification Study to the Federal Highway Administration in March 2010, and it was approved on September 14, 2010.
"The new interchange will be a vital link to the new business park and will benefit the city of Cookeville and the entire Putnam County region," said Senator Burks. "This project is clearly needed to support future growth in the area, and I am pleased to see TDOT moving forward with this important I-40 project."
"This interchange has received great support from city and county officials," added Representative Fincher. "I am pleased the project has been approved by the Federal Highway Administration and is going forward."
Representative Curtiss added, "This interchange will support economic growth in the Cookeville area and I look forward to the day that it is a reality."
TDOT plans to construct a diamond interchange on I-40 at Mine Lick Creek Road. The northern side of the interchange will connect to U.S. 70 North and the southern side will connect to Lee Seminary Road and will eventually tie into SR-136. The project will enhance economic development south of I-40 by providing access to the Highlands Business Park. The project is estimated to cost around $14 million.
TDOT will begin the ground survey of the project later this year in preparation for preliminary plans, which should be ready by spring of 2011. Final right-of-way plans are slated to be complete in spring of 2012, after which the project can proceed to right-of-way acquisition. Right-of-way funding for the project is included in the state's three-year plan, but funding will not be authorized until completion of preliminary design work and issuance of final right-of-way plans in the spring of 2012. Construction has not been funded yet, but the project should be ready for construction funding in 2013.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 10, 2010, 07:41:35 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 10, 2010, 07:41:35 PM
Diverging Diamond Interchange set to open in Alcoa, TN (http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/6468)
QuoteKNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee Department of Transportation officials will join the city of Alcoa to officially open a new Diverging Diamond Interchange that connects U.S. 129/SR-115 to Middlesettlements Road and Bessemer Street. The interchange will be one of only five open to traffic in the United States and is the first Diverging Diamond Interchange in Tennessee.
The eastbound lanes of the new interchange will open to traffic on Saturday morning, December 11, and the westbound lanes will open on Tuesday morning, December 14. TDOT partnered with the city of Alcoa to design and build the new interchange and the two agencies will hold a media availability event before the official opening of the interchange on Monday, December 13 at 1:30 p.m. on the new U.S. 129 north ramp to Bessemer Street.
The $2.9 million interchange was chosen by Alcoa community leaders to optimize three lanes, decrease construction time and save money that would have been needed to build a new bridge.
The new interchange will re-align Middlesettlements Road to tie into Bessemer Street. The interchange is actually located under U.S. 129 and is the first in the nation in operation that is located beneath a highway.
Concrete barriers, stop bars, detailed signs, pavement markings and traffic signals will be used to guide motorists through the diverging diamond design. The interchange will also be studied by the Federal Highway Administration.
Media representatives are encouraged to attend the media event for interviews with TDOT personnel, Alcoa officials and designers with Gresham Smith and Partners. The media availability will provide the press with a close up look at the interchange before the westbound lanes open on Tuesday.
Who: TDOT staff, Alcoa officials, Gresham Smith and Partners
What: Diverging Diamond Interchange. Shortened instructional video produced by Gresham Smith and Partners is attached to this media advisory. The full version will be provided to the media on Monday.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on January 04, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on January 04, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
The new commissioner of TDOT under Governor-elect Bill Haslam will be John Schroer, current Mayor of Franklin, TN.
Franklin is one of the only places in TN where Clearview exists.
Will this be the push TN needs to adopt Clearview?
Franklin is one of the only places in TN where Clearview exists.
Will this be the push TN needs to adopt Clearview?
Quote
NASHVILLE — Tennessee Governor-elect Bill Haslam today announced Franklin Mayor John Schroer as Commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Transportation.
Schroer was sworn in as Franklin Mayor in 2007, and is a member of the Middle Tennessee Metropolitan Planning Organization and the Regional Transit Authority.
Schroer spent a decade working in commercial real estate finance before starting his own development business. Prior to his election, he served on the Franklin Special School Board for 13 years, and he also has served on the board of the Tennessee School Board Association.
"As a mayor, John Schroer has knowledge of transportation issues at the ground level, and he's shown himself to be someone who gets results," Haslam said. "I'm grateful that he's joining our team, and I believe Tennessee's transportation system will be in good hands."
The Transportation Department (TDOT) handles multiple transportation responsibilities including highways, aviation, public transit, waterways and railroads.
Schroer has a bachelor's degree in business from Indiana University and an MBA from the University of Tennessee. He served previously on the Williamson County United Way board and was a founding board member of Franklin Tomorrow.
"I'm excited to be joining the outstanding team Gov.-elect Haslam has put together, and I'm honored and humbled by the choice," Schroer said. "I've worked with TDOT previously, and I'm looking forward to begin working with the great staff at the department."
Schroer, 59, is married to Marianne, and they have three grown children. They are members of Franklin First United Methodist Church.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on March 22, 2011, 10:56:37 PM
Post by: Grzrd on March 22, 2011, 10:56:37 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 10, 2010, 07:41:35 PMTDOT currently has an aerial photograph of the interchange on their homepage:
Diverging Diamond Interchange set to open in Alcoa, TN (http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/6468)QuoteKNOXVILLE, Tenn. Tennessee Department of Transportation officials will join the city of Alcoa to officially open a new Diverging Diamond Interchange that connects U.S. 129/SR-115 to Middlesettlements Road and Bessemer Street. The interchange will be one of only five open to traffic in the United States and is the first Diverging Diamond Interchange in Tennessee.
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on March 23, 2011, 07:08:40 AM
Post by: froggie on March 23, 2011, 07:08:40 AM
Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.76457,-83.98771&spn=0.012136,0.02738&t=h&z=16) satellite view shows the interchange partway through construction. It replaced an older, more-or-less-diamond interchange.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 04, 2011, 07:40:38 AM
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 04, 2011, 07:40:38 AM
Be well,
Bryant
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on April 06, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
Post by: Grzrd on April 06, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
Thanks for sharing the video! I look forward to using it as a reference guide when (if? :crazy:) TDOT posts the Lamar Corridor study it will be presenting (with Cambridge Systematics) to the Memphis MPO in the near future.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 06, 2011, 01:03:57 PM
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 06, 2011, 01:03:57 PM
^^
You're welcome. Thanks for watching it. I've always wondered what U.S. 78 in Memphis looked like, so I felt since I was up that way, why not film it. Seems like a lot of trucks use this route; an upgrade would be great, from a safety standpoint.
Be well,
Bryant
You're welcome. Thanks for watching it. I've always wondered what U.S. 78 in Memphis looked like, so I felt since I was up that way, why not film it. Seems like a lot of trucks use this route; an upgrade would be great, from a safety standpoint.
Be well,
Bryant
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: TNroadwarrior on April 16, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
Post by: TNroadwarrior on April 16, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
From the Tennessean, 3/31/11:
Work is underway on the new state-funded State Route 109 bridge that spans the Cumberland River between Sumner and Wilson counties.
The site is being graded and cleared while workers prepare the foundation for the columns of the bridge. Officials are still finalizing the right-of-way acquisition process, which has affected how much clearing can be done right now, according to information supplied to the City of Gallatin from the Tennessee Department of Transportation.
Traffic will not be affected until the first two lanes of the new bridge are completed, which is expected sometime in the second year of construction in 2012. Vehicles will be shifted to the new bridge while the rest of the work is completed, and the old bridge will be demolished.
District 44 State Rep. Mike McDonald (D-Portland) has been involved with the entire 109-corridor project since its inception.
"I've had constituents for years complain how narrow and unsafe the old bridge is," he said in a phone interview Wednesday. "A lot of people are almost afraid to go over it."
The bridge is just one component of a major update to State Route 109, which is being expanded to a four-lane highway stretching from Interstate 65 just south of the state line to Interstate 40 in Wilson County. The finished bridge will also handle four lanes of traffic, with a fifth emergency lane in the middle.
The bridge was put out for bid in October 2010, and the $29.5 million contract was awarded to Mt. Juliet-based Mountain States Contractors, LLC. The estimated completion date is Oct. 31, 2013.
McDonald said when the project is completed it will be "a bridge that will last for generations."
The official start date of the project was Jan. 12.
Work is underway on the new state-funded State Route 109 bridge that spans the Cumberland River between Sumner and Wilson counties.
The site is being graded and cleared while workers prepare the foundation for the columns of the bridge. Officials are still finalizing the right-of-way acquisition process, which has affected how much clearing can be done right now, according to information supplied to the City of Gallatin from the Tennessee Department of Transportation.
Traffic will not be affected until the first two lanes of the new bridge are completed, which is expected sometime in the second year of construction in 2012. Vehicles will be shifted to the new bridge while the rest of the work is completed, and the old bridge will be demolished.
District 44 State Rep. Mike McDonald (D-Portland) has been involved with the entire 109-corridor project since its inception.
"I've had constituents for years complain how narrow and unsafe the old bridge is," he said in a phone interview Wednesday. "A lot of people are almost afraid to go over it."
The bridge is just one component of a major update to State Route 109, which is being expanded to a four-lane highway stretching from Interstate 65 just south of the state line to Interstate 40 in Wilson County. The finished bridge will also handle four lanes of traffic, with a fifth emergency lane in the middle.
The bridge was put out for bid in October 2010, and the $29.5 million contract was awarded to Mt. Juliet-based Mountain States Contractors, LLC. The estimated completion date is Oct. 31, 2013.
McDonald said when the project is completed it will be "a bridge that will last for generations."
The official start date of the project was Jan. 12.
Title: 2012-14 Tennessee Multi-Modal TIP Released
Post by: Grzrd on April 28, 2011, 08:18:24 PM
Post by: Grzrd on April 28, 2011, 08:18:24 PM
TDOT and the Governor released Tennessee's three-year multi-modal TIP today:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/Chief_Engineer/docs/2012-2014_Program.pdf
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/Chief_Engineer/docs/2012-2014_Program.pdf
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on May 02, 2011, 02:23:58 AM
Post by: mightyace on May 02, 2011, 02:23:58 AM
^^^
It looks like TN 840 is on schedule for a 2012 completion. (pg 11)
But, why is the Chattanooga Incline Railway getting state money? I thought it was a private endeavor. (pg 14)
Other interesting, bus rapid transit for Sevierville? (pg 15)
It looks like TN 840 is on schedule for a 2012 completion. (pg 11)
But, why is the Chattanooga Incline Railway getting state money? I thought it was a private endeavor. (pg 14)
Other interesting, bus rapid transit for Sevierville? (pg 15)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 05, 2011, 11:18:48 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 05, 2011, 11:18:48 AM
Looks like I-269 will be built from the TN/MS state line to TN 385 to concur with the construction in MS from MS 302 to the TN/MS State Line.
I'm sad that there are no plans to widen I-24 in or west of Chattanooga. Curiously, US 27 (I-124, as they still call it) is planned for widening in Chattanooga, including the Tennessee River bridge, which has already been widened once.
I'm sad that there are no plans to widen I-24 in or west of Chattanooga. Curiously, US 27 (I-124, as they still call it) is planned for widening in Chattanooga, including the Tennessee River bridge, which has already been widened once.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on May 19, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
Post by: mightyace on May 19, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
^^^
Now, granted, I don't go through Chattanooga THAT often, but I've never seen a problem with the traffic on I-24 in or west of Chattanooga.
Does it get congested as rush hour?
Now, granted, I don't go through Chattanooga THAT often, but I've never seen a problem with the traffic on I-24 in or west of Chattanooga.
Does it get congested as rush hour?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 19, 2011, 07:21:36 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 19, 2011, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: mightyace on May 19, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
^^^
Now, granted, I don't go through Chattanooga THAT often, but I've never seen a problem with the traffic on I-24 in or west of Chattanooga.
Does it get congested as rush hour?
It is the high volume of truck traffic that uses that road, coupled with the fact that I-24 funnels a lot of traffic to and from the midwest towards Atlanta and Florida as well as traffic to and from Birmingham, Knoxville, and points northeastward. I have seen a traffic jam there that stretched from the top of the mountain (I forget what it's called) west all the way to the Georgia state line.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 19, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 19, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: mightyace on May 19, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
^^^
Now, granted, I don't go through Chattanooga THAT often, but I've never seen a problem with the traffic on I-24 in or west of Chattanooga.
Does it get congested as rush hour?
Yes, very. If you've never run into congestion on I - 24 in Chattanooga, you must have gone through at night, like between 10 pm and 5 am.
The Chicago - Atlanta and Detroit - Atlanta truck routes are two of the busiest, and they converge in Chattanooga. I - 24's number of lanes is inadequate from exit 81 in Murfreesboro to exit 185 in Chattanooga save for the few miles on the eastern side of Monteagle. Either the road needs to be widened to 6 lanes or two new interstates need to be built, one as a beltway around Chattanooga on the south, east, and north sides, and one from Hwy 27 in Soddy - Daisy, TN to I - 65 in Cave City, KY through Cookeville, TN, the Soddy - Daisy - Cookeville section being an upgrade of Hwy 111. In addition, I would support I - 75 from I - 24 in Chattanooga to Chastain Rd in Kennesaw being widened to 8 lanes, Chastain Rd to I - 575 to 10, and I - 575 to Delk Rd in Marietta to 12 lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on May 19, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
Post by: NE2 on May 19, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
Don't forget the I-81 corridor, also feeding through Knoxville into Chattanooga. The parallel railroads have been working on improvements to allow double stack container trains, taking some of the trucks off the highways.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 19, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 19, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
Indeed. Chattanooga was ranked #1 in the nation of most trucks per lane mile, and it's not difficult to see why.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 19, 2011, 10:38:39 PM
Post by: froggie on May 19, 2011, 10:38:39 PM
QuoteI - 24's number of lanes is inadequate from exit 81 in Murfreesboro to exit 185 in Chattanooga save for the few miles on the eastern side of Monteagle.
Not true...it's adequate between Murfreesboro and I-59. At I-59 is where you have justification to widen I-24 east into Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on May 20, 2011, 12:10:19 AM
Post by: hbelkins on May 20, 2011, 12:10:19 AM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on May 19, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
The Chicago - Atlanta and Detroit - Atlanta truck routes are two of the busiest, and they converge in Chattanooga. I - 24's number of lanes is inadequate from exit 81 in Murfreesboro to exit 185 in Chattanooga save for the few miles on the eastern side of Monteagle. Either the road needs to be widened to 6 lanes or two new interstates need to be built, one as a beltway around Chattanooga on the south, east, and north sides, and one from Hwy 27 in Soddy - Daisy, TN to I - 65 in Cave City, KY through Cookeville, TN, the Soddy - Daisy - Cookeville section being an upgrade of Hwy 111. In addition, I would support I - 75 from I - 24 in Chattanooga to Chastain Rd in Kennesaw being widened to 8 lanes, Chastain Rd to I - 575 to 10, and I - 575 to Delk Rd in Marietta to 12 lanes.
I don't think the route into Kentucky would need to be an interstate. There are plans to improve KY 90 in spots from Burkesville to Glasgow. Instead of taking TN 111, traffic could use the TN 56-53 corridor north from I-40 to reach Kentucky, then KY 61 to KY 90. Might not be an interstate, but most is already an improved route.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on May 20, 2011, 12:36:44 AM
Post by: NE2 on May 20, 2011, 12:36:44 AM
South of Burkesville, that's the alignment of Corridor J (which takes an abrupt turn east to Somerset).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 20, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 20, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 19, 2011, 10:38:39 PMQuoteI - 24's number of lanes is inadequate from exit 81 in Murfreesboro to exit 185 in Chattanooga save for the few miles on the eastern side of Monteagle.
Not true...it's adequate between Murfreesboro and I-59. At I-59 is where you have justification to widen I-24 east into Chattanooga.
I drive the interstate frequently, and it could certainly use the widening. Plus I - 75 from Naples to Chattanooga is either 6+ lanes (or being widened to 6+ lanes), as is I - 65 throughout the length of Kentucky. Logically, that says to me that I - 24 from Chattanooga to Nashville as well as I - 65 from Nashville to the Kentucky line could stand to be 6+ lanes.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2011, 12:10:19 AMQuote from: Daniel Fiddler on May 19, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
The Chicago - Atlanta and Detroit - Atlanta truck routes are two of the busiest, and they converge in Chattanooga. I - 24's number of lanes is inadequate from exit 81 in Murfreesboro to exit 185 in Chattanooga save for the few miles on the eastern side of Monteagle. Either the road needs to be widened to 6 lanes or two new interstates need to be built, one as a beltway around Chattanooga on the south, east, and north sides, and one from Hwy 27 in Soddy - Daisy, TN to I - 65 in Cave City, KY through Cookeville, TN, the Soddy - Daisy - Cookeville section being an upgrade of Hwy 111.
I don't think the route into Kentucky would need to be an interstate. There are plans to improve KY 90 in spots from Burkesville to Glasgow. Instead of taking TN 111, traffic could use the TN 56-53 corridor north from I-40 to reach Kentucky, then KY 61 to KY 90. Might not be an interstate, but most is already an improved route.
But an interstate (or toll road, such as a turnpike) would be justified. Shaving 75 miles off the route through Nashville for travelers between Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Chattanooga in the south to Chicago, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, and Louisville in the north, which combined the metropolitan areas have a little more than 35 million population. If the road costs $3.5 billion to build (may be higher due to rugged terrain), that's $100 per person who could potentially use it while driving south to north or north to south. If a vehicle gets 25 miles to the gallon (which many get less than that), the route through Nashville costs approximately an extra $12 in gasoline, not to mention the extra driving time, which would be OVER an hour considering downtown Nashville and Monteagle easily. Charge that $12 in tolls, most people would gladly fork over that to save the driving time plus gasoline. If everyone in those 10 metropolitan areas used the highway 9 times, it'd pay for itself using the $3.5 billion figure.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on May 20, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
Post by: NE2 on May 20, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
What would be the benefit of an Interstate over the four-lane divided highway with interchanges at major roads that currently exists south of I-40?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 20, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 20, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 20, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
What would be the benefit of an Interstate over the four-lane divided highway with interchanges at major roads that currently exists south of I-40?
Right now, yes, you are indeed correct. The road transverses some of the most desolate land in the state, Van Buren county has barely 5,000 people in the whole COUNTY, and there are SMALL TOWNS in Tennessee (who have no restaurants or shopping much to speak of and whose most exciting social event is the local Walmart) who are three times larger than Van Buren county. The county seat, Spencer, barely justifies a dot on the map. As it stands, Highway 111 barely has enough traffic to warrant basic maintenance such as repaving, much less four - laning. I've been in that part of Tennessee, there's nothing urban about it. You'll probably see more deer on the route than people between Dunlap and Sparta.
However, imagine a completely new terrain route connecting that through Glasgow to I - 65 at Cave City. If you consider the national long - haul freight map, which shows the number of trucks going from Atlanta to Chicago and vice - versa, the percentage of trucks that would shift eastward from I - 24 / I - 65 through Nashville to the new interstate / toll road would be substantial enough to warrant a full limited - access highway. Sure, we can build it with access partially controlled as a four lane, but it may grow overcrowded enough that it would make it unsafe for people turning on / off the highway. I'd say it'd be wiser to face the inevitable and build it as a four (or even six) lane highway with access fully controlled from the start. It's not going to be the local traffic that uses the road substantially, it's going to be the long distance travelers, especially the truckers.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on May 23, 2011, 02:34:13 AM
Post by: mightyace on May 23, 2011, 02:34:13 AM
^^^
OK, if you want to get too deep into new roads, move that discussion into fictional highways.
I will agree that I-65 north of Nashville could stand to be at least six lanes, especially with Kentucky's widening.
The last time I went through Chattanooga in the daylight was on June 30 last year. We got to Chattanooga between 6 and 7pm EDT and has no problems whatsoever. Of course, that was just one time.
OK, if you want to get too deep into new roads, move that discussion into fictional highways.
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on May 20, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
Logically, that says to me that I - 24 from Chattanooga to Nashville as well as I - 65 from Nashville to the Kentucky line could stand to be 6+ lanes.
I will agree that I-65 north of Nashville could stand to be at least six lanes, especially with Kentucky's widening.
The last time I went through Chattanooga in the daylight was on June 30 last year. We got to Chattanooga between 6 and 7pm EDT and has no problems whatsoever. Of course, that was just one time.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on June 23, 2011, 08:20:10 PM
Post by: mightyace on June 23, 2011, 08:20:10 PM
From Newschannel 5 in Nashville, TN:
Federal Law Mandates Road Signs Must Be Replaced
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14967087/federal-law-mandates-road-signs-must-be-replaced
Federal Law Mandates Road Signs Must Be Replaced
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14967087/federal-law-mandates-road-signs-must-be-replaced
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2011, 10:14:54 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2011, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: mightyace on June 23, 2011, 08:20:10 PM
From Newschannel 5 in Nashville, TN:
Federal Law Mandates Road Signs Must Be Replaced
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14967087/federal-law-mandates-road-signs-must-be-replaced
what is the rationale behind this?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alps on June 23, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Post by: Alps on June 23, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Scare tactics. You have to replace signs that aren't reflective enough, but counties should be doing that anyway. Hardly any new and burdensome rule. And it's not "Federal law" - if you don't do it, you get threatened by FHWA with Federal money getting withheld. That's different, especially when you think about the penalties for breaking Federal law.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2011, 11:59:43 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2011, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 23, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Scare tactics.
if you can scare someone into suddenly having the money to get a lot of things done, I'd like to know how.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alps on June 25, 2011, 12:46:30 AM
Post by: Alps on June 25, 2011, 12:46:30 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 23, 2011, 11:59:43 PMScare tactics by the newspapers to instill fear in the unwashed masses.Quote from: Steve on June 23, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Scare tactics.
if you can scare someone into suddenly having the money to get a lot of things done, I'd like to know how.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 25, 2011, 12:55:39 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 25, 2011, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: Steve on June 25, 2011, 12:46:30 AM
Scare tactics by the newspapers to instill fear in the unwashed masses.
well, I hope they get more newspapers sold when the ordinary reader notes that the signs may be getting replaced.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on June 25, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
Post by: mightyace on June 25, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
In this case, tabloid TV, as the article is on the web site of one of the local TV stations. But, same difference.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on July 19, 2011, 07:24:22 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on July 19, 2011, 07:24:22 AM
Officials are discussing a possible toll bridge and connector between US 27 and I-75 north of Chattanooga: http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/jul/19/chattanooga-proposed-toll-bridge-sited-just-south-/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Bryant5493 on August 30, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
Post by: Bryant5493 on August 30, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
"The Spur"
Be well,
Bryant
Be well,
Bryant
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on October 14, 2011, 05:58:50 AM
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on October 14, 2011, 05:58:50 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 04, 2011, 08:44:38 PMWill this be the push TN needs to adopt Clearview?
Hopefully not.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on October 18, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on October 18, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
It looks like more of I-24 is to be resurfaced in Chattanooga. This time from the GA State line to the Chattanooga Creek bridge. Interesting that this project will be using Open-Graded Friction Course: http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2011/Proposals/Oct_28/CNK336_propbook.pdf
In other Chattanooga news, a project to straighten and widen US 27 from north of the Tennessee River bridge to US 127 is set to be let at the end of this month: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/mar/08/chattanooga-massive-us-highway-27-project-starting/
The plans for this project can be found on this page (scroll to Item 20): http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2011/letting_102811.htm
In other Chattanooga news, a project to straighten and widen US 27 from north of the Tennessee River bridge to US 127 is set to be let at the end of this month: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/mar/08/chattanooga-massive-us-highway-27-project-starting/
The plans for this project can be found on this page (scroll to Item 20): http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2011/letting_102811.htm
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on October 19, 2011, 09:59:22 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on October 19, 2011, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 18, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
It looks like more of I-24 is to be resurfaced in Chattanooga. This time from the GA State line to the Chattanooga Creek bridge. Interesting that this project will be using Open-Graded Friction Course: http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2011/Proposals/Oct_28/CNK336_propbook.pdf
Well I know this stretch of I-24 has a high accident rate, so the OGFC will help. I hope it costs less to pave this way, since in a few years they will hopefully go ahead and widen this stretch to six lanes. Then GA will jump at the chance to widen their portion to six lanes, then the traffic issues to I-59 will finally be resolved.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on October 20, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on October 20, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on October 19, 2011, 09:59:22 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on October 18, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
It looks like more of I-24 is to be resurfaced in Chattanooga. This time from the GA State line to the Chattanooga Creek bridge. Interesting that this project will be using Open-Graded Friction Course: http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2011/Proposals/Oct_28/CNK336_propbook.pdf
Well I know this stretch of I-24 has a high accident rate, so the OGFC will help. I hope it costs less to pave this way, since in a few years they will hopefully go ahead and widen this stretch to six lanes. Then GA will jump at the chance to widen their portion to six lanes, then the traffic issues to I-59 will finally be resolved.
That stretch of I-24 should have been widened years ago. I honestly don't see why the money that's going into widening US 27 isn't going into widening I-24. Then again, I am not as familiar with how congested US 27 can get.
I can see the widening of I-24 being tricky where it runs along the bank of the Tennessee River with the railroad on the other side. TVA would need to be involved I'm sure.
Title: Pellissippi Parkway Extension (TN)
Post by: Alex on October 20, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
Post by: Alex on October 20, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
Was doing research to update the Interstate 140 Guide (http://file:///C:/Users/Alex%20Nitzman/Documents/interstate-guide.com/i-140_tn.html) and came across this recent article that the extension to U.S. 321 may happen after all, but with road work not until at least 2017:
Alcoa backs Pellissippi Extension Alternate A (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Local_News/story/Alcoa-backs-Pellissippi-Extension-Alternate-A-id-016601)
The NIMBY group Citizens Against the Pellissippi Parkway Extension is still dead set against the extension.
Alternates map:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/pellissippi/pdfs/PPEPmap.pdf
Alcoa backs Pellissippi Extension Alternate A (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Local_News/story/Alcoa-backs-Pellissippi-Extension-Alternate-A-id-016601)
QuotePellissippi Parkway Extension Alternate A was endorsed unanimously Tuesday night by Alcoa City Commission.
Either Alternate A and C would continue Pellissippi Parkway as a controlled-access interstate-type highway to East Lamar Alexander Parkway near Morning Star Baptist Church.
New Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT) Commissioner John C. Schroer asked the cities of Alcoa and Maryville and Blount County to state their preference – no build or built Alternative A, C or D.
TDOT indicated that Alternate A is its preferred choice.
QuoteMaryville City Council unanimously endorsed Alternate A on Oct. 4.
County decision next
The Blount County Commission will consider the issue Oct. 20. Meeting as the Agenda Committee on Tuesday, county commissioners voted to send a recommendation for Alternative A as its preferred route for consideration at its next regular meeting.
The NIMBY group Citizens Against the Pellissippi Parkway Extension is still dead set against the extension.
Alternates map:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/pellissippi/pdfs/PPEPmap.pdf
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 20, 2011, 06:49:37 PM
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 20, 2011, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 20, 2011, 04:43:29 PMNot to you, Alex, but that is such a joke. I lived in Knoxville from 1986 until 1992 and they had JUST finished the bridge in '87, and they said at the time, it would be finished by '89. It finally opened in late '92 (after I left) and was only open between Alcoa Hwy(US129) and Kingston Pike(US 11-70) and finally linked to I-40 and SR162 the year after. And that only got pushed by the city of Knoxville, because they wanted a direct (albeit awkward) interstate connection to the airport/Oak Ridge (Martin Marietta, now Martin/Lockheed)-rationalization most of Knoxville's population is west..Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge could certainly use it as a funnel for traffic, since both towns are always conjested. I know, it's the NIMBYS, but it should have got pushed anyway.
Was doing research to update the Interstate 140 Guide (http://file:///C:/Users/Alex%20Nitzman/Documents/interstate-guide.com/i-140_tn.html) and came across this recent article that the extension to U.S. 321 may happen after all, but with road work not until at least 2017:
Alcoa backs Pellissippi Extension Alternate A (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Local_News/story/Alcoa-backs-Pellissippi-Extension-Alternate-A-id-016601)QuotePellissippi Parkway Extension Alternate A was endorsed unanimously Tuesday night by Alcoa City Commission.
Either Alternate A and C would continue Pellissippi Parkway as a controlled-access interstate-type highway to East Lamar Alexander Parkway near Morning Star Baptist Church.
New Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT) Commissioner John C. Schroer asked the cities of Alcoa and Maryville and Blount County to state their preference – no build or built Alternative A, C or D.
TDOT indicated that Alternate A is its preferred choice.QuoteMaryville City Council unanimously endorsed Alternate A on Oct. 4.
County decision next
The Blount County Commission will consider the issue Oct. 20. Meeting as the Agenda Committee on Tuesday, county commissioners voted to send a recommendation for Alternative A as its preferred route for consideration at its next regular meeting.
The NIMBY group Citizens Against the Pellissippi Parkway Extension is still dead set against the extension.
Alternates map:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/pellissippi/pdfs/PPEPmap.pdf
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 01, 2011, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 01, 2011, 08:17:00 AM
I don't know if this is related to the I-55/Crump Blvd modifications discussed earlier in the thread, but updated Google Maps aerial imagery shows work taking place at the I-55/Crump Blvd interchange in Memphis. I have been through there a few times since construction has begun, but I wasn't sure if the work was related to the modifications or if it was some interm fix until the real modifications are made.
The loop ramp from SB I-55 to NB Riverside Drive has been removed:
http://g.co/maps/6h7yr
The loop ramp from SB I-55 to NB Riverside Drive has been removed:
http://g.co/maps/6h7yr
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on November 01, 2011, 09:47:24 AM
Post by: froggie on November 01, 2011, 09:47:24 AM
Looks to me like interim fixes given what I've seen of the reconstruction proposal (which would make I-55 the "direct route").
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 12, 2011, 08:27:30 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 12, 2011, 08:27:30 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned on here yet or not, but the I-65/TN 109 proposed interchange design just south of the Kentucky border includes C/D roads on both sides. It also includes widening I-65 to six lanes through the interchange from 1.5 miles south of the KY state line to the state line.
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i65sr109/docs/BuildAlternative.pdf
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i65sr109/docs/BuildAlternative.pdf
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on December 06, 2011, 12:34:27 AM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on December 06, 2011, 12:34:27 AM
I've noticed that several interstate exits in the TN half of the Memphis area have asphalt thru-lanes with concrete exit ramps. Anyone have any idea why this is? It doesn't appear to be a case of a concrete highway being covered and the ramps left untouched, although it could be. Only thing I could think of was using concrete on ramps so that they will last longer under the stress of cars slowing and stopping on the ramp. Ironically, in the MS half of the metro the thru-lanes are concrete and exit ramps are asphalt.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 06, 2011, 07:02:37 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 06, 2011, 07:02:37 AM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on December 06, 2011, 12:34:27 AM
I've noticed that several interstate exits in the TN half of the Memphis area have asphalt thru-lanes with concrete exit ramps. Anyone have any idea why this is? It doesn't appear to be a case of a concrete highway being covered and the ramps left untouched, although it could be. Only thing I could think of was using concrete on ramps so that they will last longer under the stress of cars slowing and stopping on the ramp. Ironically, in the MS half of the metro the thru-lanes are concrete and exit ramps are asphalt.
Tennessee will often build the main lanes with either asphalt or concrete and will build the exit ramps from concrete. This is typical throughout Tennessee. My guess is that this is done to prevent rutting on the exit ramps as vehicles, especially large trucks, apply brakes to stop at the end of the ramp, as you suggested.
EDIT: Man I should learn to read more sometimes. :P
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on December 06, 2011, 07:19:51 AM
Post by: froggie on December 06, 2011, 07:19:51 AM
That MS used concrete to begin with is impressive. The only two recent (within the last 20 years) projects I can think of offhand where MDOT used concrete instead of asphalt are the I-55 widening near Memphis and the US 82 Starkville bypass. Virtually every other widening/expansion project they've done over the past 20 years has been asphalt.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on December 06, 2011, 03:22:48 PM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on December 06, 2011, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 06, 2011, 07:02:37 AM
Tennessee will often build the main lanes with either asphalt or concrete and will build the exit ramps from concrete. This is typical throughout Tennessee. My guess is that this is done to prevent rutting on the exit ramps as vehicles, especially large trucks, apply brakes to stop at the end of the ramp, as you suggested.
EDIT: Man I should learn to read more sometimes. :P
Interesting.
Quote from: froggie on December 06, 2011, 07:19:51 AM
That MS used concrete to begin with is impressive. The only two recent (within the last 20 years) projects I can think of offhand where MDOT used concrete instead of asphalt are the I-55 widening near Memphis and the US 82 Starkville bypass. Virtually every other widening/expansion project they've done over the past 20 years has been asphalt.
Could it be Northern district thing? Isn't the new I-69 all concrete as well? I also noticed that this is the only area in Mississippi that have sound barriers and not the cheap ones, but concrete barriers with magnoila designs in them. Would have expected to see that in the Jackson or Gulf Coast areas first.
How is traffic heading into Memphis from that area, I'm assuming that it is enough to warrant 8 lanes. I can remember when I-55 used to go from dark rural 4-lane highway to instant 8-lane urban freeway with lights, hov lanes, etc. at the Tennessee line. Of course that wasn't too long ago.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on December 06, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
Post by: froggie on December 06, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
Given traffic volumes, MDOT probably could've gotten away with 6 lanes. The extra lane, presumably, was added so that there'd be an HOV lane.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 30, 2011, 09:54:39 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 30, 2011, 09:54:39 AM
Widening of I-65 in Williamson County 50% Complete: http://www.wkrn.com/story/16379142/i-65-widening-project-williamson-county
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mightyace on January 06, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Post by: mightyace on January 06, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
^^^
After reading the article, I'm thinking that they mean 50% of Phase 1 (Exit 61 to Exit 65), not the whole project down to TN 840 (Exit 59).
My first impression on reading that headline is "that isn't right" as nothing has started south of Peytonsville Rd. (Exit 61).
BTW: Google maps navigation has for the last few months acted as if I-65 between exits 61 and 65 does not exist or is closed. Any routing you do will bypass that stretch and when you are on it, my phone says, "Unable to find a route to your destination." Most likely, someone at Google or someone in MapMaker marked the stretch as closed instead of Under Construction.
After reading the article, I'm thinking that they mean 50% of Phase 1 (Exit 61 to Exit 65), not the whole project down to TN 840 (Exit 59).
My first impression on reading that headline is "that isn't right" as nothing has started south of Peytonsville Rd. (Exit 61).
BTW: Google maps navigation has for the last few months acted as if I-65 between exits 61 and 65 does not exist or is closed. Any routing you do will bypass that stretch and when you are on it, my phone says, "Unable to find a route to your destination." Most likely, someone at Google or someone in MapMaker marked the stretch as closed instead of Under Construction.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rcm195 on February 07, 2012, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: rcm195 on February 07, 2012, 01:50:35 PM
I was wondering if anyone knows the status of the Crump Blvd, I-55 improvement projects in Memphis? I thought I saw something about ROW being bought up?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on February 07, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on February 07, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
They are doing some interim improvements there right now, but I don't know if ROW has been bought for the main project just yet.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on February 10, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on February 10, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
Here's the latest on I-55 at Crump Blvd: FHWA has approved the final EIS!
http://news.tn.gov/node/8385
http://news.tn.gov/node/8385
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rte66man on February 12, 2012, 05:09:31 PM
Post by: rte66man on February 12, 2012, 05:09:31 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 10, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
Here's the latest on I-55 at Crump Blvd: FHWA has approved the final EIS!
http://news.tn.gov/node/8385
So when will they start turning dirt?
rte66man
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on March 15, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on March 15, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
Here is an article (http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/mar/15/tennessee-unveils-US-27-highway-plan/) that outlines the reconstruction planned for US 27 in Chattanooga between the Tennessee River and I-24. Reconstruction north of the Tennessee River to US 127 is already underway. It shows a map that details the reconstruction as well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on March 15, 2012, 09:51:59 AM
Post by: hbelkins on March 15, 2012, 09:51:59 AM
Might be time for a Chattanooga meet sometime.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on March 15, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on March 15, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
^I was thinking that for sometime in 2013 or 2014 perhaps. This is going to be a big project.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 16, 2012, 11:44:33 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 16, 2012, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on March 15, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
Here is an article (http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/mar/15/tennessee-unveils-US-27-highway-plan/) that outlines the reconstruction planned for US 27 in Chattanooga between the Tennessee River and I-24. Reconstruction north of the Tennessee River to US 127 is already underway. It shows a map that details the reconstruction as well.
Maybe they will then un-hide I-124 once again. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on April 16, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
Post by: Grzrd on April 16, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
TDOT has released its 2013-15 3-Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/TDOT3yrPlan.pdf) and an accompanying Regional Project Highlights (http://news.tn.gov/system/files/Regional%20Fact%20Sheets.pdf) sheet.
A couple of interesting projects are ROW acquisition for the I-55/ Crump Boulevard interchange in 2013 and ROW acquisition for widening Lamar Avenue from the MS state line to Shelby Drive in 2014.
A couple of interesting projects are ROW acquisition for the I-55/ Crump Boulevard interchange in 2013 and ROW acquisition for widening Lamar Avenue from the MS state line to Shelby Drive in 2014.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 17, 2012, 07:12:26 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 17, 2012, 07:12:26 AM
^ I-65 widening looks like it will continue south of Franklin out to TN 840 in FY 13.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 17, 2012, 07:32:43 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 17, 2012, 07:32:43 AM
Design for US 27 reconstruction south of the Tennessee River in Chattanooga put on hold: http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/apr/17/a1-us-27-redesign-on-hold-chattanooga/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 30, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 30, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
We took a look at the I-55/Crump Blvd interchange at the Memphis road meet on Saturday. The interim improvements include adding a lane to the loop that carries I-55 NB traffic to the MS River Bridge. It also eliminates the loop ramp from EB Crump to NB Riverside Drive. That movement has been replaced with a left turn from EB Crump to the existing ramp from WB Crump Blvd. Oddly enough, it is signed as a Left Exit from SB I-55.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on April 30, 2012, 09:13:47 AM
Post by: hbelkins on April 30, 2012, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 30, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
We took a look at the I-55/Crump Blvd interchange at the Memphis road meet on Saturday. The interim improvements include adding a lane to the loop that carries I-55 NB traffic to the MS River Bridge. It also eliminates the loop ramp from EB Crump to NB Riverside Drive. That movement has been replaced with a left turn from EB Crump to the existing ramp from WB Crump Blvd. Oddly enough, it is signed as a Left Exit from SB I-55.
So there are two lanes on that tight cloverleaf ramp? I'll bet that is interesting.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 30, 2012, 09:16:24 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 30, 2012, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 30, 2012, 09:13:47 AMQuote from: codyg1985 on April 30, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
We took a look at the I-55/Crump Blvd interchange at the Memphis road meet on Saturday. The interim improvements include adding a lane to the loop that carries I-55 NB traffic to the MS River Bridge. It also eliminates the loop ramp from EB Crump to NB Riverside Drive. That movement has been replaced with a left turn from EB Crump to the existing ramp from WB Crump Blvd. Oddly enough, it is signed as a Left Exit from SB I-55.
So there are two lanes on that tight cloverleaf ramp? I'll bet that is interesting.
It is a little awkward. Crump Blvd reduces to one lane going westbound to make room for the two lanes coming in from the loop. Since the loop in the SE quadrant of the interchange was removed, it allowed the rightmost lane to be extended south a bit. There are new diagrammatic signs going NB on I-55 showing the split as well. I wished I would have gotten pics of them.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on June 29, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Post by: Alex on June 29, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Contrary to what the Rand McNally Atlas shows, the northern section of the Cleveland, TN bypass is not a freeway. Drove it from I-75 east to U.S. 11 Bypass earlier this week and it is littered with traffic lights and businesses.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on August 11, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
Post by: Grzrd on August 11, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
The TDOT website (https://news.tn.gov/node/9316) has announced Commissioner John Schroer's Projects Tour, in which he will have four separate tours for the four TDOT regions. Agendas will eventually be posted for all four tours. The first tour begins Monday, August 13 in Chattanooga and the Region 2 Agenda (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tour/schedules/Region2ProjectsTour2012schedule.pdf) has been posted. The respective Agendas should be some good roadgeeking idea-generators.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2012, 08:03:54 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2012, 08:03:54 AM
I really think a road meet for the US 27 reconstruction should be in order at some point. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: jpi on September 13, 2012, 12:36:10 AM
Post by: jpi on September 13, 2012, 12:36:10 AM
I do agree about a possible road meet for Chattanooga but I think the US 27 construction is on hold for now, maybe perhaps next fall, I have bee seriously considering hosting a meet down there since I did Memphis without a hitch and Chattanooga is even closer to me ( 2 hours as apposed to 3 hours from Memphis)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on September 13, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on September 13, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Quote from: jpi on September 13, 2012, 12:36:10 AM
I do agree about a possible road meet for Chattanooga but I think the US 27 construction is on hold for now, maybe perhaps next fall, I have bee seriously considering hosting a meet down there since I did Memphis without a hitch and Chattanooga is even closer to me ( 2 hours as apposed to 3 hours from Memphis)
What's the work on hold for?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on December 04, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Post by: Grzrd on December 04, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
The Memphis MPO recently approved its Priority List from its November 15 Agenda (http://www.memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLYNLg.jpg&hash=38f009d9a161370d94673edbfa74781b09cbf132)
I found it interesting that the I-55/ Crump Boulevard project, #2 on the list, needs a construction fund.
If anyone was concerned, the error was noted and corrected:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLYNLg.jpg&hash=38f009d9a161370d94673edbfa74781b09cbf132)
I found it interesting that the I-55/ Crump Boulevard project, #2 on the list, needs a construction fund.
If anyone was concerned, the error was noted and corrected:
Quote
Mr. B.J. Page moved to adopt the TDOT Project Priority List Ranking as presented; Mr. James Hay seconded the motion, and the motion carried without dissent.
COMMENTS/DISCUSSION:
Dr. Gerrit Verschuur made a request to correct the spelling of the word Federal.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on January 27, 2013, 08:09:45 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on January 27, 2013, 08:09:45 PM
I missed this back in November. TDOT is looking at ways to rebuild the I-24/75 junction in Chattanooga (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/nov/15/interstate-meeting-gets-heavy-traffic/). Other improvements include:
- Ramp widening at East Brainerd Road
- Widening I-75 between Collegedale and Cleveland to six lanes
- Widening I-75 between the Georgia State Line and I-24 to eight lanes
- Building a Chattanooga bypass
- Ramp widening at East Brainerd Road
- Widening I-75 between Collegedale and Cleveland to six lanes
- Widening I-75 between the Georgia State Line and I-24 to eight lanes
- Building a Chattanooga bypass
Title: New Tennessee 2013 Maps Available
Post by: Grzrd on February 15, 2013, 01:42:39 PM
Post by: Grzrd on February 15, 2013, 01:42:39 PM
The official 2013 Tennessee Transportation Map (http://news.tn.gov/node/10290) is now available and can be downloaded here (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/maps.htm).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bassoon1986 on March 01, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
Post by: bassoon1986 on March 01, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on December 04, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
The Memphis MPO recently approved its Priority List from its November 15 Agenda (http://www.memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLYNLg.jpg&hash=38f009d9a161370d94673edbfa74781b09cbf132)
I found it interesting that the I-55/ Crump Boulevard project, #2 on the list, needs a construction fund.
If anyone was concerned, the error was noted and corrected:Quote
Mr. B.J. Page moved to adopt the TDOT Project Priority List Ranking as presented; Mr. James Hay seconded the motion, and the motion carried without dissent.
COMMENTS/DISCUSSION:
Dr. Gerrit Verschuur made a request to correct the spelling of the word Federal.
Hahaha I glanced at it and thought it said FOR REAL funding :-D
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on April 15, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: Grzrd on April 15, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on September 13, 2012, 10:20:41 AMQuote from: jpi on September 13, 2012, 12:36:10 AMWhat's the work on hold for?
I do agree about a possible road meet for Chattanooga but I think the US 27 construction is on hold for now, maybe perhaps next fall, I have bee seriously considering hosting a meet down there since I did Memphis without a hitch and Chattanooga is even closer to me ( 2 hours as apposed to 3 hours from Memphis)
This press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/10532) indicates that TDOT Commissioner Schroer will announce future plans for the US 27 corridor in Hamilton County during an April 16 on-site visit.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on April 16, 2013, 10:20:53 PM
Post by: Grzrd on April 16, 2013, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on April 15, 2013, 12:20:28 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on September 13, 2012, 10:20:41 AMQuote from: jpi on September 13, 2012, 12:36:10 AMWhat's the work on hold for?
I do agree about a possible road meet for Chattanooga but I think the US 27 construction is on hold for now, maybe perhaps next fall, I have bee seriously considering hosting a meet down there since I did Memphis without a hitch and Chattanooga is even closer to me ( 2 hours as apposed to 3 hours from Memphis)
This press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/10532) indicates that TDOT Commissioner Schroer will announce future plans for the US 27 corridor in Hamilton County during an April 16 on-site visit.
This article (http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/4/16/249091/State-Set-To-Proceed-On-80-Million.aspx) reports that widening and reworking of US 27 in downtown Chattanooga is budgeted for 2015, and that the project had been stalled by issues related to the Fourth Street interchange:
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TDOT Commissioner John Schroer announced Tuesday that work will proceed on the $80 million widening and reworking of U.S. 27 downtown and the widening of Olgiati Bridge as soon as the current major project On 27 north of the bridge is complete.
The project is budgeted for construction in 2015, he said at a press conference on Stringer's Ridge.
The project had been stalled after changes were suggested at a RiverCity Company-sponsored forum - especially related to the Fourth Street interchange.
Jennifer Flynn of TDOT said Fourth Street will remain as designed, but there will be a signal at MLK Boulevard instead of a roundabout that had been recommended by some city officials.
TDOT has issued a press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/10546) announcing TDOT's FY 2014-2016 Three Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 26, 2013, 02:53:05 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 26, 2013, 02:53:05 PM
TDOT is conducting a multimodal study (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i24/) for the entire I-24 corridor within Tennessee.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 18, 2013, 08:14:56 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 18, 2013, 08:14:56 AM
I'm curious, but does anybody know if the US-11 Business route in Athens, TN (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us011busath&sys=usausb&rg=all) was approved by the AASHTO, or is just a "fake" route shown on the official TN State Map (been on there for the last several years)? I was looking in StreetView the other day and couldn't find any proof of this route being posted (StreetView imagery is from 2009). On the US-Highways site (http://www.us-highways.com/busus.htm#c), it says it's been around since sometime in the 90's.
The reason for this post is that I'm considering removing it (http://clinched.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1915&mforum=clinched) from the CHM site if it was never approved by the AASHTO because of it not being posted in the field. So, any incite on this route would be greatly appreciated.
The reason for this post is that I'm considering removing it (http://clinched.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1915&mforum=clinched) from the CHM site if it was never approved by the AASHTO because of it not being posted in the field. So, any incite on this route would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 18, 2013, 08:33:07 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 18, 2013, 08:33:07 AM
Last time I drove through there a year ago, I don't remember seeing any Business US 11 shield anywhere along US 11
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2013, 09:29:24 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2013, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 18, 2013, 08:33:07 AM
Last time I drove through there a year ago, I don't remember seeing any Business US 11 shield anywhere along US 11
Alright then. Guess I'll get it deleted then. Thanks for the info from the field.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 23, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 23, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
Does anyone happen to recall when US 31E was signed West along SR 155 (Briley Pkwy) in lieu of East along SR 155 over to I-65? It ran concurrent with SR 155 to I-65 North then it ran concurrent along SR 386 (Vietnam Veterans Pkwy) over back to US 31E mainline in Gallatin. There was a BUS 31E that ran in Hendersonville. Does anyone recall this and then if so do you know why this was removed and then put back onto the surfaces roads?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 26, 2013, 03:49:53 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 26, 2013, 03:49:53 PM
TDOT announced a project to upgrade the intersection of SR 96 and US 41 in Murfreesboro to a SPUI: https://news.tn.gov/node/10930
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 27, 2013, 02:01:10 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 27, 2013, 02:01:10 PM
I just traversed this very intersection yesterday and was looking at the cycling of the lights. That would be a welcome addition. That intersection could easily warrant a interchange. I am surprised with the roundabout craze that they didn't go with that.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on June 28, 2013, 12:17:09 AM
Post by: lordsutch on June 28, 2013, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 27, 2013, 02:01:10 PM
I just traversed this very intersection yesterday and was looking at the cycling of the lights. That would be a welcome addition. That intersection could easily warrant a interchange. I am surprised with the roundabout craze that they didn't go with that.
Probably way too much traffic for a roundabout to handle without UK-style signalization (which would defeat the purpose of using a roundabout in the first place).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 08:37:50 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 08:37:50 AM
TDOT has a project in it's July letting to continue the widening of I-65 south of Franklin from just north of SR 248 to SR 840. This includes the interchange modification at SR 248.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
That was the cause of the bottleneck the whole time, the interchange with SSR 248. The design of this interchange was differently done with a very low traffic count in mind. The design doesn't allow for much room to merge. TDOT screwed up I-65 when the put in so many lanes to allow for SR 840 traffic to flow onto I-65 then only to narrow to two lanes in each direction just prior to SSR 248. That causes what I call right lane runners to clog and bottleneck traffic. They know the lane ends; however, they merge at the very last second causing everyone behind them to brake. :ded: :angry:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 01:35:37 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 01:35:37 PM
^ The new design calls for those lanes that merge into I-65 from SR 840 just continue so there will be four lanes in each direction. The interchange with SR 248 will be a urban diamond interchange. SR 248 and Peytonsville Road in the vicinity of the interchange will be widened to three lanes in each direction.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
I just hope that they do not build the additional interchange off of I-65 that the new mayor of Spring Hill wants. That is only going to lead to even more traffic jams. SR 396 provides excellent coverage for Spring Hill and points south and north.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 01:41:10 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 01:41:10 PM
^ Where does he want the new interchange? Is it close to 840?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
He wanted Duplex RD SSR 247; however, it is too close to SR 396. It looks like they want access from Thompson Station Rd, if I can recall, around MM 56. The city would upgrade Buckner Ln and Thompson Station Rd along with the Town of Thompson Station.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 30, 2013, 04:08:48 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 30, 2013, 04:08:48 AM
Has anybody been in the Franklin, TN area recently? I need an update on how US-31 is routed there. StreetView is worthless there with 2007 imagery, and TDOT's PDF's are almost as worthless.
The reason I'm asking is because there is one decent 2008 image in StreetView (http://goo.gl/maps/FsbNK) showing US-31 has been rerouted onto the Eastern Bypass of town with US-431 and the in-town former route of US-431 is now a Business route. I'm wondering if the same happened with US-31 and that the in-town route is now a Business route and they eliminated all those funky Truck US-31 routes there.
When looking at a dated 2011 AADT map of Franklin from TDOT (PDF download (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/projectplanning/maps/94_253SEtraffic.pdf)), it does show the reroute of US-431, but shows US-31 still going into town. It also doesn't show the US-431 Business route there.
So, any help with this would be greatly appreciated! I want to correct this area properly in CHM data.
The reason I'm asking is because there is one decent 2008 image in StreetView (http://goo.gl/maps/FsbNK) showing US-31 has been rerouted onto the Eastern Bypass of town with US-431 and the in-town former route of US-431 is now a Business route. I'm wondering if the same happened with US-31 and that the in-town route is now a Business route and they eliminated all those funky Truck US-31 routes there.
When looking at a dated 2011 AADT map of Franklin from TDOT (PDF download (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/projectplanning/maps/94_253SEtraffic.pdf)), it does show the reroute of US-431, but shows US-31 still going into town. It also doesn't show the US-431 Business route there.
So, any help with this would be greatly appreciated! I want to correct this area properly in CHM data.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on June 30, 2013, 05:32:57 AM
Post by: NE2 on June 30, 2013, 05:32:57 AM
Bing's Streetside imagery (apparently 2012) shows US 31 Business through town and US 31 and US 431 both cosigned with SR 397. Many signs include a Truck banner on the bypass, but almost all signs pointing inside the bypass use a Business banner. There's at least one error: on SR 397 (US 31) north at US 431 south, both US 431 north and US 431 Business north are pointed left. And on SR 397 (US 431) south at US 31 north, US 31 south is pointed right. Many (all?) signs downtown are missing Business banners (and what a clusterfuck downtown is). But it does look like all signage one would see when following the route has it use the bypass (if one ignores the Truck banner).
To recap: approaching SR 397 you have a choice of Business and Truck. If you follow Business, most signs lack a banner. If you follow Truck, some signs lack a banner. But Truck is often used superfluously, while Business never is.
To recap: approaching SR 397 you have a choice of Business and Truck. If you follow Business, most signs lack a banner. If you follow Truck, some signs lack a banner. But Truck is often used superfluously, while Business never is.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 30, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 30, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
I get to Franklin all the time. US 31 coming from the south is marked as NE2 heretofore stated as straight ahead on Columbia Ave is Business US 31 and pointing to the right on SR 397 is Truck US 31. Past the intersection there is one Business US 31 banner. Past that there are no further Business US 31 banners. This is; however, consistent with most of Tennessee's US Business routes anyway. Business US 412 in Columbia is signed the same way.
Another interesting note is that SR 397 was a hidden designation; however, since 2011(?) the state erected SR 397 all along the Mac Hatcher By-Pass. There are also signs all over Franklin marking Truck SR 96; however, they go any which way all over town and they never really tell you which is which. They just do not want trucks blazing into the downtown area. The downtown area is an attraction of sorts nowadays and I think that is why they still have Business US 31 routed through to the Public Square and onto Main St proper. I can't really think of many other examples in Tennessee where this exists. Nashville gets close and other towns get close but they seem to always route of the square. So as NE2 stated it is difficult to tell what is the mainline and what is not. There are sign errors all over Mac Hatcher with the signs pointing in the wrong directions.
Another interesting note is that SR 397 was a hidden designation; however, since 2011(?) the state erected SR 397 all along the Mac Hatcher By-Pass. There are also signs all over Franklin marking Truck SR 96; however, they go any which way all over town and they never really tell you which is which. They just do not want trucks blazing into the downtown area. The downtown area is an attraction of sorts nowadays and I think that is why they still have Business US 31 routed through to the Public Square and onto Main St proper. I can't really think of many other examples in Tennessee where this exists. Nashville gets close and other towns get close but they seem to always route of the square. So as NE2 stated it is difficult to tell what is the mainline and what is not. There are sign errors all over Mac Hatcher with the signs pointing in the wrong directions.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 30, 2013, 08:30:29 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 30, 2013, 08:30:29 PM
Alright, I'm going to reroute US-31 onto TN-397 and turn the in-town route to a Business route. I already had US-431 (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us431&sys=usaus&rg=all) on TN-397 and a Business route (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us431busfra&sys=usausb&rg=all) for it into town.
I'll also eliminate the two "Truck US-31" routes at CHM. [1] (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us031trkfra&sys=usausb&rg=all) [2] (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us031trkfr2&sys=usausb&rg=all) Especially since the US-31 reroute for the site would duplicate one of them.
Thanks for the help NE2 and Avalanchez71!!
I'll also eliminate the two "Truck US-31" routes at CHM. [1] (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us031trkfra&sys=usausb&rg=all) [2] (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us031trkfr2&sys=usausb&rg=all) Especially since the US-31 reroute for the site would duplicate one of them.
Thanks for the help NE2 and Avalanchez71!!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Does anyone know what's going on with the I-240/I-40 interchange? It appears to have been a dormant cpnstruction site for at least 5 years.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 02, 2013, 03:57:30 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 02, 2013, 03:57:30 PM
Hey it is in Memphis. Things take that long out there.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on July 02, 2013, 04:08:40 PM
Post by: Grzrd on July 02, 2013, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Does anyone know what's going on with the I-240/I-40 interchange? It appears to have been a dormant cpnstruction site for at least 5 years.
I don't see an I-240/I-40 interchange project in the current TDOT Three-Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf), but the Memphis MPO has a FY 2014 Phase 2 $122,700,000 flyover ramp project on its Proposed 2014-17 TIP Project List (http://memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/2014-17-tip/2014-17-tip-project-list-modified-includes-funding.pdf) (page 1/6 of pdf). Maybe it will be included as a FY 2015 project in next year's TDOT Three-Year Plan.
Here is a project map (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i40memphis/images/mapbig.gif):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTBdOWoP.gif&hash=1d3a83379e68086d3393184633e6fb7970c7fb3a)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on July 02, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on July 02, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Does anyone know what's going on with the I-240/I-40 interchange? It appears to have been a dormant cpnstruction site for at least 5 years.
East one or midtown one?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 04:50:16 PM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 04:50:16 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on July 02, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
East one or midtown one?
The east one. I know that the Midtown one was finished not too long ago. I passed through Memphis about a month ago and noticed that phase II is still in the exact stage that it was back in 2008 or 2009. Ghost ramps and stubs. I've also noticed that the Memphis area loves its SPUIs.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rte66man on July 03, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
Post by: rte66man on July 03, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on July 02, 2013, 04:08:40 PMQuote from: UptownRoadGeek on July 02, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Does anyone know what's going on with the I-240/I-40 interchange? It appears to have been a dormant cpnstruction site for at least 5 years.
I don't see an I-240/I-40 interchange project in the current TDOT Three-Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf), but the Memphis MPO has a FY 2014 Phase 2 $122,700,000 flyover ramp project on its Proposed 2014-17 TIP Project List (http://memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/2014-17-tip/2014-17-tip-project-list-modified-includes-funding.pdf) (page 1/6 of pdf). Maybe it will be included as a FY 2015 project in next year's TDOT Three-Year Plan.
Here is a project map (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i40memphis/images/mapbig.gif):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTBdOWoP.gif&hash=1d3a83379e68086d3393184633e6fb7970c7fb3a)
Sorry to see the eastbound I40 movement will still be a left exit. I was hoping it would be a right exit so the I240 south through traffic wouldn't be slowing down.
rte66man
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
At least it is better than the 1 lane mess for I-40 eastbound traffic though.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on July 12, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Post by: Grzrd on July 12, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on July 02, 2013, 04:08:40 PM
I don't see an I-240/I-40 interchange project in the current TDOT Three-Year Plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf), but the Memphis MPO has a FY 2014 Phase 2 $122,700,000 flyover ramp project on its Proposed 2014-17 TIP Project List (http://memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/2014-17-tip/2014-17-tip-project-list-modified-includes-funding.pdf) (page 1/6 of pdf). Maybe it will be included as a FY 2015 project in next year's TDOT Three-Year Plan.
Wrong guess on my part. The current tentative letting date is August 30 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/Future_Project_Plans.htm).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 12, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 12, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
Could someone tell me if this signal set up is only used in West Tennessee or is it a statewide thing. :poke:
It's the left turn signals that I'm asking about.
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.897058!3d35.175501!2m2!1f346.94!2f90!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1ssMhfcH00vqXYAUppfuF0sw!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.791996!3d35.201692!2m2!1f150.6!2f89.89!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1sk-S1k2WjADMJ3QLKpttTJg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.759392!3d35.068187!2m2!1f140.34!2f84.19!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1s15eTForVNg7BI4Y2dP6dHg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
It's the left turn signals that I'm asking about.
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.897058!3d35.175501!2m2!1f346.94!2f90!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1ssMhfcH00vqXYAUppfuF0sw!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.791996!3d35.201692!2m2!1f150.6!2f89.89!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1sk-S1k2WjADMJ3QLKpttTJg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.759392!3d35.068187!2m2!1f140.34!2f84.19!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1s15eTForVNg7BI4Y2dP6dHg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 12, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 12, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on July 12, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
Could someone tell me if this signal set up is only used in West Tennessee or is it a statewide thing. :poke:
It's the left turn signals that I'm asking about.
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.897058!3d35.175501!2m2!1f346.94!2f90!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1ssMhfcH00vqXYAUppfuF0sw!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.791996!3d35.201692!2m2!1f150.6!2f89.89!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1sk-S1k2WjADMJ3QLKpttTJg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.759392!3d35.068187!2m2!1f140.34!2f84.19!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1s15eTForVNg7BI4Y2dP6dHg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
I have not seen those in East Tennessee, but maybe I simply wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on July 13, 2013, 10:42:28 AM
Post by: lordsutch on July 13, 2013, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on July 12, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
Could someone tell me if this signal set up is only used in West Tennessee or is it a statewide thing. :poke:
It's the left turn signals that I'm asking about.
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.897058!3d35.175501!2m2!1f346.94!2f90!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1ssMhfcH00vqXYAUppfuF0sw!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.791996!3d35.201692!2m2!1f150.6!2f89.89!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1sk-S1k2WjADMJ3QLKpttTJg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
Google Maps (http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-89.759392!3d35.068187!2m2!1f140.34!2f84.19!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1s15eTForVNg7BI4Y2dP6dHg!2e0!7e11&fid=5)
As far as I know, it's a Memphis-only thing that bleeds into a few neighboring jurisdictions (mostly suburbs and unincorporated Shelby County) because Memphis has contracts to handle traffic signal installation for them too.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2013, 09:47:24 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2013, 09:47:24 PM
Has anybody been in Crossville, TN lately? There seems to be a "US-127 Alternate" there and I need some info on it. This appears to be the route for it (http://goo.gl/maps/xHkjd) per the two shields I found for it on mainline US-127 ([1] (http://goo.gl/maps/RoXIz) + [2] (http://goo.gl/maps/MoHHx)). What I need to know is how it's posted along TN Secondary 392. I looked @ the intersection with US-70, but couldn't find any mention of US-127 Alternate at the intersection. StreetView isn't that helpful as the entire route of TN Secondary 392 is still in the old low-rez pre-2009 imagery unlike on US-127 and US-70 which have the newer high-rez 2011 imagery.
==
Also in Crossville, I found these signs ([1] (http://goo.gl/maps/eZdek) [2] (http://goo.gl/maps/rSGN3)) for US-70N along US-127. Did US-70N get extended over to US-127, or is TDOT just playing the game of forgetting to place "TO" banners?
==
Also in Crossville, I found these signs ([1] (http://goo.gl/maps/eZdek) [2] (http://goo.gl/maps/rSGN3)) for US-70N along US-127. Did US-70N get extended over to US-127, or is TDOT just playing the game of forgetting to place "TO" banners?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 20, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 20, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
My guess is that it should be signed as TRUCK in lieu of ALTERNATE. I have never seen Tennessee sign it's alternate routes with the banner ALTERNATE or ALT for that manner if it is an official split. I haven't seen any applications to AASHTO. Often signs will be placed up to state that such a route is an ALT to the route without it being officially an alternate.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on July 20, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
Post by: NE2 on July 20, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
It's posted on US 70 east: https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.960058,-85.042516&spn=0.006713,0.014173&cbp=12,111.86,,2,0.12&cbll=35.960074,-85.042234&layer=c&t=m&panoid=vxHhCAxXESmn2AVw3DtTSQ&z=17 https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.95529,-85.035703&spn=0.013427,0.028346&cbp=12,181.92,,0,-0.33&cbll=35.955073,-85.039306&layer=c&t=m&panoid=mycW3M8_IHHmoKTPxFUeEA&z=16
and on former SR 101 east (these may have been removed when the realignment was built): https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.938822,-85.031004&spn=0.053718,0.113382&cbp=12,54.63,,0,4.61&cbll=35.938886,-85.030956&layer=c&t=m&panoid=Jhwh2jVUQZXoOesB1aQVBg&z=14
and on former SR 101 east (these may have been removed when the realignment was built): https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.938822,-85.031004&spn=0.053718,0.113382&cbp=12,54.63,,0,4.61&cbll=35.938886,-85.030956&layer=c&t=m&panoid=Jhwh2jVUQZXoOesB1aQVBg&z=14
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2013, 10:25:04 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2013, 10:25:04 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
It's posted on US 70 east: https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.960058,-85.042516&spn=0.006713,0.014173&cbp=12,111.86,,2,0.12&cbll=35.960074,-85.042234&layer=c&t=m&panoid=vxHhCAxXESmn2AVw3DtTSQ&z=17 https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.95529,-85.035703&spn=0.013427,0.028346&cbp=12,181.92,,0,-0.33&cbll=35.955073,-85.039306&layer=c&t=m&panoid=mycW3M8_IHHmoKTPxFUeEA&z=16
and on former SR 101 east (these may have been removed when the realignment was built): https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.938822,-85.031004&spn=0.053718,0.113382&cbp=12,54.63,,0,4.61&cbll=35.938886,-85.030956&layer=c&t=m&panoid=Jhwh2jVUQZXoOesB1aQVBg&z=14
That seems to make it "legit" enough for the CHM project to add the route to the site. Thanks for the help guys.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 06, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 06, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
Preliminary plans (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2013/CNM305_Details.htm) for the I-40/240 east Phase II interchange modification are online. Unfortunately, I-40 is still existing itself, and the mileposts on I-40 east approaching I-40 are actually based on I-240 mileage (notice how the exit numbers increase from Exit 10 to Exit 12 as you go westbound on I-40).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxFBsbhm.png&hash=0b3ba31bde6a078498f3b242a2b59558335207ef)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxFBsbhm.png&hash=0b3ba31bde6a078498f3b242a2b59558335207ef)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on August 07, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
Post by: lordsutch on August 07, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 06, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
Preliminary plans (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2013/CNM305_Details.htm) for the I-40/240 east Phase II interchange modification are online. Unfortunately, I-40 is still existing itself, and the mileposts on I-40 east approaching I-40 are actually based on I-240 mileage (notice how the exit numbers increase from Exit 10 to Exit 12 as you go westbound on I-40).
Alas I don't expect TDOT to fix the I-40 exit numbers ever, even though there's a simple fix (everything at I-40/240 east becomes Exit 11x).
In addition to that what they really need to do is eliminate the midtown I-240 designation completely (extending I-69 to a logical interim terminus at I-40 rather than the current NCDOT-style state line disappearing act) and renumber the exits on rump I-240 between I-55 and I-40 west-to-east.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on August 08, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
Post by: Grzrd on August 08, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
This TV video report (http://www.wmctv.com/story/23075939/us-transportation-secretary-takes-tour-on-mata-bus) reports that United States Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx recently announced a Tiger 4 award for upgrading and expanding transportation infrastructure from uptown Memphis to South Main and across the Harahan Bridge.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on August 08, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Post by: hbelkins on August 08, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2013, 09:47:24 PM
Has anybody been in Crossville, TN lately? There seems to be a "US-127 Alternate" there and I need some info on it. This appears to be the route for it (http://goo.gl/maps/xHkjd) per the two shields I found for it on mainline US-127 ([1] (http://goo.gl/maps/RoXIz) + [2] (http://goo.gl/maps/MoHHx)). What I need to know is how it's posted along TN Secondary 392. I looked @ the intersection with US-70, but couldn't find any mention of US-127 Alternate at the intersection. StreetView isn't that helpful as the entire route of TN Secondary 392 is still in the old low-rez pre-2009 imagery unlike on US-127 and US-70 which have the newer high-rez 2011 imagery.
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Also in Crossville, I found these signs ([1] (http://goo.gl/maps/eZdek) [2] (http://goo.gl/maps/rSGN3)) for US-70N along US-127. Did US-70N get extended over to US-127, or is TDOT just playing the game of forgetting to place "TO" banners?
Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
It's posted on US 70 east: https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.960058,-85.042516&spn=0.006713,0.014173&cbp=12,111.86,,2,0.12&cbll=35.960074,-85.042234&layer=c&t=m&panoid=vxHhCAxXESmn2AVw3DtTSQ&z=17 https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.95529,-85.035703&spn=0.013427,0.028346&cbp=12,181.92,,0,-0.33&cbll=35.955073,-85.039306&layer=c&t=m&panoid=mycW3M8_IHHmoKTPxFUeEA&z=16
and on former SR 101 east (these may have been removed when the realignment was built): https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.938822,-85.031004&spn=0.053718,0.113382&cbp=12,54.63,,0,4.61&cbll=35.938886,-85.030956&layer=c&t=m&panoid=Jhwh2jVUQZXoOesB1aQVBg&z=14
I drove through Crossville on southbound US 127 on my way to Chattanooga last month.
Signage as it currently exists can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/sets/72157634603731673/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 08, 2013, 03:40:06 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 08, 2013, 03:40:06 PM
^ Interesting that TN 111 south was signed with a blue directional banner. May be due to it being an APD Corridor?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/9267618395/in/set-72157634603731673
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/9267618395/in/set-72157634603731673
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on August 08, 2013, 10:03:22 PM
Post by: lordsutch on August 08, 2013, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on August 08, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
This TV video report (http://www.wmctv.com/story/23075939/us-transportation-secretary-takes-tour-on-mata-bus) reports that United States Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx recently announced a Tiger 4 award for upgrading and expanding transportation infrastructure from uptown Memphis to South Main and across the Harahan Bridge.
The Harahan Bridge project is supposed to be a bike/pedestrian trail using one of the old roadways. I'm not sure what the rest of the project is about; maybe bike lanes or something to connect from the bridge to the South Main Street corridor.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on August 08, 2013, 11:11:07 PM
Post by: hbelkins on August 08, 2013, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 08, 2013, 03:40:06 PM
^ Interesting that TN 111 south was signed with a blue directional banner. May be due to it being an APD Corridor?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/9267618395/in/set-72157634603731673
Nope. It's not an APD route. The corridor follows KY 90 to Burkesville, then KY 61 into Tennessee. Even though the route is improved all the way to I-40 (TN 53 and TN 56), the corridor has an unbuilt segment from the Gainesboro area over to Cookeville, where it picks up 111 on south from there to US 27.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on September 04, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on September 04, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
The apparent low bid for the project to widen I-65 between TN 840 and Goose Creek Bypass (Tn 248), including interchange modifications at TN 248 and widening TN 248, came in at $46.7 million.
This month's TDOT letting includes the project to modify the I-40/240 east interchange in Memphis.
This month's TDOT letting includes the project to modify the I-40/240 east interchange in Memphis.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on October 08, 2013, 11:56:30 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on October 08, 2013, 11:56:30 AM
Contract has been awarded for the I-40/240 interchange modification in east Memphis. The low bid was for $109 million.
The draft STIP (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/programdev/default.asp#draft) includes the beginning of engineering work for Corridor K/US 64 in Polk County for 2015. The engineering work is expected to cost $30 milllion with a total project estimated cost of $1 billion.
The draft STIP (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/programdev/default.asp#draft) includes the beginning of engineering work for Corridor K/US 64 in Polk County for 2015. The engineering work is expected to cost $30 milllion with a total project estimated cost of $1 billion.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: elsmere241 on October 22, 2013, 11:12:31 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on October 22, 2013, 11:12:31 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 30, 2013, 08:30:29 PM
Alright, I'm going to reroute US-31 onto TN-397 and turn the in-town route to a Business route. I already had US-431 (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us431&sys=usaus&rg=all) on TN-397 and a Business route (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us431busfra&sys=usausb&rg=all) for it into town.
I'll also eliminate the two "Truck US-31" routes at CHM. [1] (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us031trkfra&sys=usausb&rg=all) [2] (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/hwymap.php?r=tn.us031trkfr2&sys=usausb&rg=all) Especially since the US-31 reroute for the site would duplicate one of them.
Thanks for the help NE2 and Avalanchez71!!
There was a time in the 1980s when Mack Hatcher (TN 397) was first built, that at its intersection with Murfreesboro Road (TN 96), it was posted as US 31 north and south, but US 431 north only.
Title: Tennessee Breaks Ground on New I-26 Welcome Center
Post by: Grzrd on October 26, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
Post by: Grzrd on October 26, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
This TDOT press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/11567) announces that ground has been broken for a new I-26 welcome center located at mile marker 5 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sullivan+county+tn&hl=en&ll=36.487833,-82.552814&spn=0.053687,0.077162&sll=33.767713,-84.420604&sspn=0.444087,0.617294&t=h&hnear=Sullivan,+Tennessee&z=14), and it will provide access for travelers on eastbound and westbound I-26:
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Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT) Commissioner John Schroer and Tennessee Department of Tourist Development (TDTD) Commissioner Susan Whitaker joined state and local officials in Sullivan County today to break ground for a new welcome center on Interstate 26. The new welcome center will be located at mile marker 5, and is expected to open to the public in the summer of 2014 ....
The new welcome center will feature a log cabin design, combining the warmth of Tennessee and the modern advantages of new construction. The welcome center will provide access for travelers on eastbound and westbound I-26.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on October 26, 2013, 10:00:07 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on October 26, 2013, 10:00:07 PM
^ I'm thinking that's what the deal was with the new overpass and exit that Jason and I saw when driving through there a week ago. A sign is covered up for the new exit and there are barricades up, but the bridges are done. If this is where the welcome center is to go (https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.48409,-82.547268&spn=0.004658,0.009645&t=h&z=17), then access to it will be from a standard diamond interchange.
Also, this street view image (http://goo.gl/maps/82k4Y) shows that the bridge is adorned with the Tennessee star. I don't remember seeing this when we came through because it was dark, but I wonder if that bridge got painted?
Also, this street view image (http://goo.gl/maps/82k4Y) shows that the bridge is adorned with the Tennessee star. I don't remember seeing this when we came through because it was dark, but I wonder if that bridge got painted?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on November 20, 2013, 08:23:06 AM
Post by: Grzrd on November 20, 2013, 08:23:06 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 08, 2013, 11:56:30 AM
Contract has been awarded for the I-40/240 interchange modification in east Memphis. The low bid was for $109 million.
Quote from: Grzrd on November 18, 2013, 02:07:10 PM(bottom quote from Interstate 269 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg259822#msg259822) thread)
This TDOT press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/11681) states this section of TN 385 will open to traffic at 4:00 p.m. on Friday, November 22, 2013
This TV video (http://www.wmctv.com/story/24003579/construction-on-sam-cooper-to-begin-after-holidays) reports that construction is about to begin on the I-40/I-240 interchange project, that Sam Cooper Boulevard will be reduced to one lane for a significant period of time, and that the section of TN 385/Future I-269 scheduled to open on Friday will partially serve as an alternative for traffic:
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A major project will begin on Sam Cooper Boulevard after the holidays. That means headaches for drivers east of the city could continue next year.
Tennessee Department of Transportation crews are starting to make way for the new I-40/I-240 interchange.
"They're planning for it, after the holidays, closing Sam Cooper down to one lane," said Nichole Lawrence, TDOT. "That closure will last approximately 12 to 15 months." ....
On Friday, the state will open the final leg of Highway 385. The new highway should provide some traffic relief ahead of the upcoming construction, but drivers will need to get used to the new road.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 20, 2013, 08:29:15 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 20, 2013, 08:29:15 AM
Ugh, why did they have to slap "US" inside of the shields on the TV news report? :banghead:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 20, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 20, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
What the final project should look like..
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdot.state.tn.us%2Fi40-240memphis%2Fimages%2Fslide_East_after.jpg&hash=e8a9797b00b4635c321c13d3fdc16a01c0aa0b8e)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdot.state.tn.us%2Fi40-240memphis%2Fimages%2Fslide_ramp_after.jpg&hash=818d476a355c1824cdd3bd3663a6dfd042ca7d26)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdot.state.tn.us%2Fi40-240memphis%2Fimages%2Fslide_Main_after.jpg&hash=dc3a7d2544503aae3796fc95174b55ee12e570f9)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdot.state.tn.us%2Fi40-240memphis%2Fimages%2Fslide_East_after.jpg&hash=e8a9797b00b4635c321c13d3fdc16a01c0aa0b8e)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdot.state.tn.us%2Fi40-240memphis%2Fimages%2Fslide_ramp_after.jpg&hash=818d476a355c1824cdd3bd3663a6dfd042ca7d26)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tdot.state.tn.us%2Fi40-240memphis%2Fimages%2Fslide_Main_after.jpg&hash=dc3a7d2544503aae3796fc95174b55ee12e570f9)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 22, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 22, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
WMC-TV|Final leg of Highway 385 opens to Mid-South drivers (http://www.wmctv.com/story/24041880/final-leg-of-highway-385-opens-to-mid-south-drivers)
TDOT|Commissioner Schroer Celebrates Completion of State Route 385 (http://news.tn.gov/node/11702/)
TDOT|Commissioner Schroer Celebrates Completion of State Route 385 (http://news.tn.gov/node/11702/)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: txstateends on November 22, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Post by: txstateends on November 22, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on November 22, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
WMC-TV|Final leg of Highway 385 opens to Mid-South drivers (http://www.bravotv.com/the-new-atlanta/season-1/videos/season-1-episode-6?cid=show_full_episodes)
You mixed up your URLs, I think. The WMC-TV link actually is a Bravo TV show promo.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on November 23, 2013, 03:28:29 AM
Post by: lordsutch on November 23, 2013, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on November 20, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
What the final project should look like..
If the images are to be believed, the old left ramp from I-40 east to I-40 east is staying, although the TDOT website's diagrams don't show it. I guess some ramp for that movement needs to be included, since otherwise you wouldn't be able to access I-40 east from White Station due to split being west of the White Station entrance.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 23, 2013, 07:22:44 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 23, 2013, 07:22:44 AM
The image doesn't reflect the Wolf River bridge being widened.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on December 20, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
Post by: Grzrd on December 20, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on December 04, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
The Memphis MPO recently approved its Priority List from its November 15 Agenda (http://www.memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77)
I found it interesting that the I-55/ Crump Boulevard project, #2 on the list, needs a construction fund.
This article (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2013/dec/21/building-capacities/) reports that work should begin on the I-55/Crump interchange improvement project (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i55/) in late 2014:
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Nichole Lawrence, community relations officer for Tennessee Department of Transportation Region IV office in Jackson ....
New area projects slated to get underway next year include a new I-40 interchange at Canada Road, with work set to begin in the spring, as well as work at I-55 and Crump beginning in late 2014, according to Lawrence.
Here's an image of the project (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i55/docs/Approved-I-55Interchange-FinalEIS_6-28-2011.pdf) (page 30/168 of pdf):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAH4WVMy.jpg&hash=be86974dd28c445f519077eacb5af86df4cf779e)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Marc on January 08, 2014, 02:54:21 AM
Post by: Marc on January 08, 2014, 02:54:21 AM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on November 20, 2013, 11:16:43 AMWhat is TDOT's obsession with left exits/entrances in this interchange?!
What the final project should look like...
I have spent a good deal of time in Memphis and I must say it is ridiculous how long it has taken them to construct this.
I also would have reconfigured it like they did the midtown 40/240 interchange–to where you don't have to exit to stay on I-40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on January 09, 2014, 12:43:43 AM
Post by: lordsutch on January 09, 2014, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: Marc on January 08, 2014, 02:54:21 AM
What is TDOT's obsession with left exits/entrances in this interchange?!
For I-40 eastbound, it makes I-40 the proper through route, as the midtown interchange reconstruction did. For I-40 westbound, bear in mind that the traffic is probably 50-50 between taking I-240 west and I-40 west, so a left ramp to I-240 is justifiable. The redesign also provides 2 through lanes for I-40 in both directions, reestablishing some continuity. Now if only they'd fix the damn exit numbers to make I-40 the through route; all I can figure is someone at TDOT just doesn't want to use the number 11.
Having said that, they probably could have cut-and-covered I-40 underneath North Parkway to avoid Overton Park back in the 70s and 80s for less money than they've blown on midtown 40/240 and the different phases of east 40/240.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 04:13:21 AM
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 04:13:21 AM
I remember all the debates to finish I-40 through Memphis that ranged from twin tunnels under Overton Park/Zoo, a bridge over it, and to bypass the park onto North Parkway. None got anywhere because of the NIMBY's. Which really sucks because the area around Overton Park is mostly ghetto and Overton Park and Zoo is really nothing special and a dangerous area. Of course, the people around it were all screaming racism since all of the neighborhoods effected are black. The rebuilds of east and midtown interchanges will cost over $300 million when all done when it would have cost to finish I-40 back then about $35 million in todays dollars. TDOT even offered to help relocate the Zoo, but when the only land available was the all white eastern Shelby County and another site near the jail, the racism card was used again and lawsuits threatened. Thus I-40 was dropped, I-40 exits east of Memphis are off by 2 miles, and the Overton Park area is still as shitty now as it was back then.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 06:42:52 AM
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 06:42:52 AM
Sounds like the 'racism card' was accurate, racist.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on January 09, 2014, 06:53:25 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on January 09, 2014, 06:53:25 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on January 09, 2014, 12:43:43 AM
Having said that, they probably could have cut-and-covered I-40 underneath North Parkway to avoid Overton Park back in the 70s and 80s for less money than they've blown on midtown 40/240 and the different phases of east 40/240.
But how easy would it have been expanded? Chances are all of I-40 inside of I-240 would have needed to be widened by now, and while that may not cost as much as the two interchange rebuilds, it still would have been a significant cost, and the interchanges may have needed revamping anyway.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
All of I-40 (Sam Cooper Blvd) inside I-240 was built to 6 lanes with diamond interchanges and a medium wide enough to expand to 8 lanes and add a jersey barrier down the middle. As far as the cut and cover under North Parkway, a 4 lane westbound underground tunnel and ground level 4 lane eastbound freeway much like double deck freeways could've worked. Last time I was thru there North Parkway is not much to look at and they would be doing those houses a favor by tearing them down much like a lot of inner city Memphis.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
Quote from: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 07:27:24 AMI know, right? They'd totally be doing those hep cats a favor by tearing down their houses. All they want to do is go out on the streets and run with gangs anyway.
Last time I was thru there North Parkway is not much to look at and they would be doing those houses a favor by tearing them down much like a lot of inner city Memphis.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 08:21:16 AM
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 08:21:16 AM
You got it. I guess you've done a lot of walking around Memphis and lived to tell about it. Half of Memphis inside I-240 could be leveled and the rest of Tennessee or the USA wouldn't miss it. They don't just call it the murder capital of the country for nothing, rivaling Detroit. And I say that as a Tennessean that actually likes Memphis.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 08:55:53 AM
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 08:21:16 AMDamn straight. Them three-fifths get rounded down to zero like they should be.
Half of Memphis inside I-240 could be leveled and the rest of Tennessee or the USA wouldn't miss it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 08:00:09 AMQuote from: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 07:27:24 AMI know, right? They'd totally be doing those hep cats a favor by tearing down their houses. All they want to do is go out on the streets and run with gangs anyway.
Last time I was thru there North Parkway is not much to look at and they would be doing those houses a favor by tearing them down much like a lot of inner city Memphis.
Does TennDOT not purchase property needed for highway expansion, nor offer relocation assistance? :bigass:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on January 09, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
Post by: froggie on January 09, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
A certain line from A Christmas Carol is suddenly coming to mind...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 09, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 09, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 08:21:16 AM
You got it. I guess you've done a lot of walking around Memphis and lived to tell about it. Half of Memphis inside I-240 could be leveled and the rest of Tennessee or the USA wouldn't miss it. They don't just call it the murder capital of the country for nothing, rivaling Detroit. And I say that as a Tennessean that actually likes Memphis.
meh. rather be dead on the outside than dead on the inside. if any region of any is need of leveling, it's places like Henderson, NV. just useless suburbia.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2014, 02:10:27 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2014, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 09, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
A certain line from A Christmas Carol is suddenly coming to mind...
God bless us every one? :-D
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 04:11:32 PM
Post by: SFPredsFan on January 09, 2014, 04:11:32 PM
Does TennDOT not purchase property needed for highway expansion, nor offer relocation assistance?
Yes, Pretty generous actually to head off lawsuits or having to deal with to eminent domain. They usually offer 150% appraised value, relocation cost, and up to a year to relocate sometimes longer. TDOT had already bought most ROW on the east and west side of Overton Park and 26 of its 342 acres were needed for I-40.
Yes, Pretty generous actually to head off lawsuits or having to deal with to eminent domain. They usually offer 150% appraised value, relocation cost, and up to a year to relocate sometimes longer. TDOT had already bought most ROW on the east and west side of Overton Park and 26 of its 342 acres were needed for I-40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
I was being a bit sarcastic -- ok, a lot sarcastic -- since SPUI played the race card as those of his ilk are apt to do.
Of course TDOT would pay for any property it buys for road improvement projects.
But 150 percent of assessed value? That seems a waste of tax dollars.
Of course TDOT would pay for any property it buys for road improvement projects.
But 150 percent of assessed value? That seems a waste of tax dollars.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
HB, you and your buddies play the race card every time you breathe.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on January 10, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
Post by: NE2 on January 10, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
Tennesseeing is Tennederping.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on March 28, 2014, 07:09:12 AM
Post by: Tom958 on March 28, 2014, 07:09:12 AM
Something I noticed when I was driving between Nashville and Atlanta in 2012...
(Actually, I noticed a lot. IMO, Tennessee is a great roadgeeking state!)
Like most states, Tennessee adds loop ramps at some service interchanges that would otherwise be diamonds. At first they seemed random to me, or at least driven by location specific criteria as opposed to policy reasons. Nothing unusual about that. But eventually I realized that around Nashville there was something of a pattern: often there was one loop offramp in the away-from-Nashville direction. Why? Eventually I realized that by putting that ramp in, they were able to defer installation of a traffic signal for many years, since the loop ramp removed the need for one for outbound left turns off the freeway and left turn volumes off the intersecting road onto the outbound freeway were light enough not to require one. Sure enough:
I-24 at Waldron Road: signal
I-24 at Sam Ridley Parkway: no signal
I-24 at US 231: no signal
I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway: no signal, but it's too new to really count
I-40 at Donelson Pike, no signal
I-40 at S Mt Juliet Road, signal
There's one in Memphis, too, I-40 at Appling Road: no signal
So, even not counting I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway, that's a 71% success rate. Not bad at all. :clap:
(Actually, I noticed a lot. IMO, Tennessee is a great roadgeeking state!)
Like most states, Tennessee adds loop ramps at some service interchanges that would otherwise be diamonds. At first they seemed random to me, or at least driven by location specific criteria as opposed to policy reasons. Nothing unusual about that. But eventually I realized that around Nashville there was something of a pattern: often there was one loop offramp in the away-from-Nashville direction. Why? Eventually I realized that by putting that ramp in, they were able to defer installation of a traffic signal for many years, since the loop ramp removed the need for one for outbound left turns off the freeway and left turn volumes off the intersecting road onto the outbound freeway were light enough not to require one. Sure enough:
I-24 at Waldron Road: signal
I-24 at Sam Ridley Parkway: no signal
I-24 at US 231: no signal
I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway: no signal, but it's too new to really count
I-40 at Donelson Pike, no signal
I-40 at S Mt Juliet Road, signal
There's one in Memphis, too, I-40 at Appling Road: no signal
So, even not counting I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway, that's a 71% success rate. Not bad at all. :clap:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on June 09, 2014, 02:26:53 PM
Post by: Grzrd on June 09, 2014, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on October 26, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
This TDOT press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/11567)Quote
The new welcome center will be located at mile marker 5, and is expected to open to the public in the summer of 2014
The I-26 Kingsport/ Sullivan County Welcome Center's website (http://www.tnvacation.com/vendors/i-26-welcome-center-kingsport-sullivan-county/) indicates that opening is now scheduled for Fall 2014.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on June 20, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
Post by: Grzrd on June 20, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
TDOT has posted the Final Schedule for the Region 2 Bus Tour (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/tour/pdf/AgendaR2BusTour2014.pdf) during which Commissioner Schroer will review various ongoing projects with local officials from June 23 to June 25.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Henry on June 20, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
Post by: Henry on June 20, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on June 09, 2014, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: Grzrd on October 26, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
This TDOT press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/11567)Quote
The new welcome center will be located at mile marker 5, and is expected to open to the public in the summer of 2014
The I-26 Kingsport/ Sullivan County Welcome Center's website (http://www.tnvacation.com/vendors/i-26-welcome-center-kingsport-sullivan-county/) indicates that opening is now scheduled for Fall 2014.
Quote from: Tom958 on March 28, 2014, 07:09:12 AMWithout a doubt, TN has further helped its case as the best roadgeeking state in the nation.
Something I noticed when I was driving between Nashville and Atlanta in 2012...
(Actually, I noticed a lot. IMO, Tennessee is a great roadgeeking state!)
Like most states, Tennessee adds loop ramps at some service interchanges that would otherwise be diamonds. At first they seemed random to me, or at least driven by location specific criteria as opposed to policy reasons. Nothing unusual about that. But eventually I realized that around Nashville there was something of a pattern: often there was one loop offramp in the away-from-Nashville direction. Why? Eventually I realized that by putting that ramp in, they were able to defer installation of a traffic signal for many years, since the loop ramp removed the need for one for outbound left turns off the freeway and left turn volumes off the intersecting road onto the outbound freeway were light enough not to require one. Sure enough:
I-24 at Waldron Road: signal
I-24 at Sam Ridley Parkway: no signal
I-24 at US 231: no signal
I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway: no signal, but it's too new to really count
I-40 at Donelson Pike, no signal
I-40 at S Mt Juliet Road, signal
There's one in Memphis, too, I-40 at Appling Road: no signal
So, even not counting I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway, that's a 71% success rate. Not bad at all. :clap:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 20, 2014, 05:30:11 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 20, 2014, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 20, 2014, 03:01:33 PMNotwithstanding the previous what makes Tennessee a premier roadgeeking state?Quote from: Grzrd on June 09, 2014, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: Grzrd on October 26, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
This TDOT press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/11567)Quote
The new welcome center will be located at mile marker 5, and is expected to open to the public in the summer of 2014
The I-26 Kingsport/ Sullivan County Welcome Center's website (http://www.tnvacation.com/vendors/i-26-welcome-center-kingsport-sullivan-county/) indicates that opening is now scheduled for Fall 2014.Quote from: Tom958 on March 28, 2014, 07:09:12 AMWithout a doubt, TN has further helped its case as the best roadgeeking state in the nation.
Something I noticed when I was driving between Nashville and Atlanta in 2012...
(Actually, I noticed a lot. IMO, Tennessee is a great roadgeeking state!)
Like most states, Tennessee adds loop ramps at some service interchanges that would otherwise be diamonds. At first they seemed random to me, or at least driven by location specific criteria as opposed to policy reasons. Nothing unusual about that. But eventually I realized that around Nashville there was something of a pattern: often there was one loop offramp in the away-from-Nashville direction. Why? Eventually I realized that by putting that ramp in, they were able to defer installation of a traffic signal for many years, since the loop ramp removed the need for one for outbound left turns off the freeway and left turn volumes off the intersecting road onto the outbound freeway were light enough not to require one. Sure enough:
I-24 at Waldron Road: signal
I-24 at Sam Ridley Parkway: no signal
I-24 at US 231: no signal
I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway: no signal, but it's too new to really count
I-40 at Donelson Pike, no signal
I-40 at S Mt Juliet Road, signal
There's one in Memphis, too, I-40 at Appling Road: no signal
So, even not counting I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway, that's a 71% success rate. Not bad at all. :clap:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 20, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 20, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Oak Ridge, TN has had some Flashing Yellow Arrow signals installed.
My friend told me this because he's currently up in TN visiting his grandparents that live up there.
My friend told me this because he's currently up in TN visiting his grandparents that live up there.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 20, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 20, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on June 20, 2014, 06:36:31 PMHere they are on street view. (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.012101,-84.271468&spn=0.000002,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=36.012026,-84.271407&panoid=qwupW4WJTRwKqynlutg2Zg&cbp=12,345.79,,0,-2.46)
Oak Ridge, TN has had some Flashing Yellow Arrow signals installed.
My friend told me this because he's currently up in TN visiting his grandparents that live up there.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on June 21, 2014, 01:51:26 PM
Post by: Tom958 on June 21, 2014, 01:51:26 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 20, 2014, 05:30:11 PM
Notwithstanding the previous what makes Tennessee a premier roadgeeking state?
In a word: variety. For instance, in travelling I-24 westward from Chattanooga as far as Monteagle, I noticed that virtually every bridge is different, even the ones that were built at about the same time. Once across the mountain and US 64, they settled on one type of bridge for a while, but after a few miles they increased the median from 60 feet to 100, as though they couldn't stand the uniformity. A while later, another bridge design. Finally, on the newest part approaching Nashville, a very wide median spanned by alternating (more or less) concrete box girders and those funky steel beams that incorporate the center pier (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.763514,-86.35487,3a,75y,321.91h,84.68t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sTWsfcfEcOZr29E_KXVsjUA!2e0) (there's probably a term for that type, but I don't know what it is), both with immensely long spans.
Most other states take a much more uniform and boring approach. Tennessee mixes things up, which I appreciate, admire, and find fascinating.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on August 19, 2014, 12:53:59 AM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on August 19, 2014, 12:53:59 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 20, 2014, 05:30:11 PMQuote from: Henry on June 20, 2014, 03:01:33 PMNotwithstanding the previous what makes Tennessee a premier roadgeeking state?Quote from: Grzrd on June 09, 2014, 02:26:53 PMQuote from: Grzrd on October 26, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
This TDOT press release (http://news.tn.gov/node/11567)Quote
The new welcome center will be located at mile marker 5, and is expected to open to the public in the summer of 2014
The I-26 Kingsport/ Sullivan County Welcome Center's website (http://www.tnvacation.com/vendors/i-26-welcome-center-kingsport-sullivan-county/) indicates that opening is now scheduled for Fall 2014.Quote from: Tom958 on March 28, 2014, 07:09:12 AMWithout a doubt, TN has further helped its case as the best roadgeeking state in the nation.
Something I noticed when I was driving between Nashville and Atlanta in 2012...
(Actually, I noticed a lot. IMO, Tennessee is a great roadgeeking state!)
Like most states, Tennessee adds loop ramps at some service interchanges that would otherwise be diamonds. At first they seemed random to me, or at least driven by location specific criteria as opposed to policy reasons. Nothing unusual about that. But eventually I realized that around Nashville there was something of a pattern: often there was one loop offramp in the away-from-Nashville direction. Why? Eventually I realized that by putting that ramp in, they were able to defer installation of a traffic signal for many years, since the loop ramp removed the need for one for outbound left turns off the freeway and left turn volumes off the intersecting road onto the outbound freeway were light enough not to require one. Sure enough:
I-24 at Waldron Road: signal
I-24 at Sam Ridley Parkway: no signal
I-24 at US 231: no signal
I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway: no signal, but it's too new to really count
I-40 at Donelson Pike, no signal
I-40 at S Mt Juliet Road, signal
There's one in Memphis, too, I-40 at Appling Road: no signal
So, even not counting I-24 at Joe Jackson Parkway, that's a 71% success rate. Not bad at all. :clap:
Not to mention Tennessee has so many different environments as well. You have the Mississippi River Coastal Plain in the west, along with farms and woods, you have the piedmont and hills in central Tennessee near Nashville, then you have the plateaus and ridges east of that, and then there are plenty more valleys and mountains until you get to the breathtaking Appalachians. And of course you have several large cities, some having some beautiful suburbs.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on August 24, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
Post by: Tom958 on August 24, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on August 19, 2014, 12:53:59 AMNot to mention Tennessee has so many different environments as well. You have the Mississippi River Coastal Plain in the west, along with farms and woods, you have the piedmont and hills in central Tennessee near Nashville, then you have the plateaus and ridges east of that, and then there are plenty more valleys and mountains until you get to the breathtaking Appalachians. And of course you have several large cities, some having some beautiful suburbs.
Well, you could say that about many states. To me, it's not so much the diversity of the landscape as much as its raw beauty-- and the dramatic settings it provides for many of the state's highways.
Another big plus for me is the way that pine trees abruptly cease to exist once I cross into Tennessee from Georgia. I freaking hate pine trees.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on October 09, 2014, 08:07:12 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on October 09, 2014, 08:07:12 AM
TDOT is considering closing the I-55 bridge over the Mississippi River for two years while the Crump Blvd interchange is rebuilt: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/26740818/tdot-leaders-consider-shutting-down-old-i-55-bridge-for-two-years
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on October 09, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 09, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
This is the kind of closure that needs to be heavily promoted from great distances in other states. For instance, diverting thru I-55 traffic at I-155 and into Tennessee there, then taking US 51 south to reconnect with I-55 south of Memphis.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on October 10, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
Post by: Tom958 on October 10, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
It's odd that the story didn't mention any particular reason to close the bridge, though I can speculate as to several. One thing's for sure, though: If the bridge needs to be closed for maintenance for an extended period, while that interchange is under construction would be a good time to do it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on October 11, 2014, 12:01:47 AM
Post by: lordsutch on October 11, 2014, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on October 10, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
It's odd that the story didn't mention any particular reason to close the bridge, though I can speculate as to several. One thing's for sure, though: If the bridge needs to be closed for maintenance for an extended period, while that interchange is under construction would be a good time to do it.
The redesigned interchange looks to be very hard to construct while maintaining through traffic because it's such a radical departure from what's in place now.
Honestly, though, if they're going to close the existing bridge for two years they should scrape together the money to replace it with something up to modern standards, or get the oft-mooted third bridge built first. As-is the thing's going to fall in the river whenever a real earthquake hits anyway.
All that said if they ever get done with the seismic retrofit on the "new bridge" it has plenty of excess capacity when all six lanes are open. The only real bottleneck remaining is the short section of two lanes each way on the Memphis side.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on October 11, 2014, 06:42:27 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on October 11, 2014, 06:42:27 PM
A few updates on some Chattanooga-area projects after passing through today.
- The US 27 rebuild north of the Olgiati Bridge looks to be close to being finished. Looks like a few smaller retaining walls, paving work, jersey barriers, and signage is about all that it needs to be finished. I'd expect this to be wrapped up by April or May of next year, at the latest.
- The new US 41/64/72 bridge over the Tennessee River is not yet open to traffic, but the bridge itself appears to be finished. The east approach looks to need one or two more layers of asphalt. I am not sure about the west approach. I expect this to be done maybe in the next month or so.
- The US 27 rebuild north of the Olgiati Bridge looks to be close to being finished. Looks like a few smaller retaining walls, paving work, jersey barriers, and signage is about all that it needs to be finished. I'd expect this to be wrapped up by April or May of next year, at the latest.
- The new US 41/64/72 bridge over the Tennessee River is not yet open to traffic, but the bridge itself appears to be finished. The east approach looks to need one or two more layers of asphalt. I am not sure about the west approach. I expect this to be done maybe in the next month or so.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Gnutella on October 12, 2014, 03:31:35 AM
Post by: Gnutella on October 12, 2014, 03:31:35 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on August 24, 2014, 10:00:01 AMQuote from: adventurernumber1 on August 19, 2014, 12:53:59 AMNot to mention Tennessee has so many different environments as well. You have the Mississippi River Coastal Plain in the west, along with farms and woods, you have the piedmont and hills in central Tennessee near Nashville, then you have the plateaus and ridges east of that, and then there are plenty more valleys and mountains until you get to the breathtaking Appalachians. And of course you have several large cities, some having some beautiful suburbs.
Well, you could say that about many states. To me, it's not so much the diversity of the landscape as much as its raw beauty-- and the dramatic settings it provides for many of the state's highways.
Another big plus for me is the way that pine trees abruptly cease to exist once I cross into Tennessee from Georgia. I freaking hate pine trees.
Pine trees are limited mainly to the Piedmont and the coastal plains of the South. Once you get into the Appalachians, the trees become markedly more deciduous. In fact, I remember when I went to Brasstown Bald and vicinity a couple of years ago, I said to myself that the flora and fauna reminded me a lot of Pennsylvania. I think it's more difficult for large trees to grow in the rocky Appalachian soil, and the composition of the dirt might be a factor too.
I've also driven extensively through Tennessee, and to me it basically felt like Pennsylvania with a newer highway system.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on October 14, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 14, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
We have our share of deciduous trees, but we've got plenty of pine trees in Kentucky, too.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: freebrickproductions on October 14, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Post by: freebrickproductions on October 14, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
According to my friend, the FYA signal in Oak Ridge, TN has a Dallas Phase set-up on it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on November 04, 2014, 04:10:26 PM
Post by: Grzrd on November 04, 2014, 04:10:26 PM
Due to uncertainties associated with federal funding, TDOT Commissioner Schroer has delayed several projects, including construction of the I-55/Crump Boulevard interchange and ROW acquisition on the Lamar Corridor. Here is a list of the projects delayed from FY 2015 to FY 2106 (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/funding/Statusof13ShiftedProjects-10-30-14.pdf) and a letter from Schroer to the Tennessee General Assembly (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/funding/HwyTrustFundandDelayedProjectsLetterOct%2024-2014.pdf) explaining his decision.
It looks like projects in Tennessee will continue to be delayed until the U.S. Congress enacts the next multi-year reauthorization.
It looks like projects in Tennessee will continue to be delayed until the U.S. Congress enacts the next multi-year reauthorization.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: SSF on November 28, 2014, 01:57:24 PM
Post by: SSF on November 28, 2014, 01:57:24 PM
The US 41/64/72 bridge is open over the Tennessee River and is an unremarkable 2 lane bridge to say the least. The new bridge was nearly as tall as the top of the truss on the old bridge though, so the clearance underneath must be vastly improved.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 01, 2014, 09:22:34 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 01, 2014, 09:22:34 AM
TDOT plans for a retaining wall project at the TN 60/I-75 interchange has some erroneous signage plans that I'm surprised made it through the QA phase:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEUWlVLa.png&hash=85e1f9c90ced69d309e2ef8b173a220b5fd63a12)
However, the signage schedule has the correct shields for I-75. I suspect that maybe the signs will be ordered per the schedule.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVVewjX1.png&hash=11ccee4225389541ecc8f5b1e9add66e409e46f7)
Perhaps this may be taken care of with an RFI, but who knows what signs will end up showing up in the field?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEUWlVLa.png&hash=85e1f9c90ced69d309e2ef8b173a220b5fd63a12)
However, the signage schedule has the correct shields for I-75. I suspect that maybe the signs will be ordered per the schedule.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVVewjX1.png&hash=11ccee4225389541ecc8f5b1e9add66e409e46f7)
Perhaps this may be taken care of with an RFI, but who knows what signs will end up showing up in the field?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on December 01, 2014, 09:56:15 AM
Post by: Brian556 on December 01, 2014, 09:56:15 AM
Heck, in Texas, an erroneous FM 377 sign was posted on US 377, as specified in the plans. Nobody who looked at the plans ever noticed it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CYoder on December 03, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Post by: CYoder on December 03, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
The welcome center on I-26 in Kingsport opened on Tuesday:
Kingsport's new interstate welcome center is now open for business
http://www.timesnews.net/article/9083056/kingsports-new-interstate-welcome-center-in-now-open-for-business (http://www.timesnews.net/article/9083056/kingsports-new-interstate-welcome-center-in-now-open-for-business)
Passed by Monday to check on progress... figures. I will try to get some pictures in the next week or so.
Kingsport's new interstate welcome center is now open for business
http://www.timesnews.net/article/9083056/kingsports-new-interstate-welcome-center-in-now-open-for-business (http://www.timesnews.net/article/9083056/kingsports-new-interstate-welcome-center-in-now-open-for-business)
Passed by Monday to check on progress... figures. I will try to get some pictures in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 05, 2014, 06:11:16 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 05, 2014, 06:11:16 AM
TDOT has applied for and has been approved to extend US 641 south from I-40 to US 64 at the Special AASHTO Committee on U. S. Route Numbering: http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf
EDIT: I forgot to see there is a thread on the meeting: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14014.50
EDIT: I forgot to see there is a thread on the meeting: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14014.50
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
Looks like TDOT is going to let the project in February to build an interchange to connect TN 109 to I-65 just south of the Kentucky State Line. This will make it easier for long-distance traffic to bypass Nashville. The plans can be found here (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/2015/Plans/Feb13/CNP079.pdf).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 20, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 20, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
^^^
What page of that PDF are the signing plans on?
What page of that PDF are the signing plans on?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 20, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 20, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
They should post this as US 231 if they do this.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on January 21, 2015, 06:41:16 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on January 21, 2015, 06:41:16 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 20, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
^^^
What page of that PDF are the signing plans on?
Signing plans start on Page 352.
Thank goodness it isn't at PDF Portfolio.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 21, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 21, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
Yeah, I just waded through all the pages to get to there.
Interesting signage error on pages 365 and 383; it will be interesting to see if that makes it into actual signage in the field.
But the more I think about this project, it seems like a big waste to me. Why not just reconstruct the 31W/109 intersection to make north 109 to north 31W the through route, and have traffic utilize Exit 1 in Kentucky?
Interesting signage error on pages 365 and 383; it will be interesting to see if that makes it into actual signage in the field.
But the more I think about this project, it seems like a big waste to me. Why not just reconstruct the 31W/109 intersection to make north 109 to north 31W the through route, and have traffic utilize Exit 1 in Kentucky?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on January 21, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on January 21, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
But the more I think about this project, it seems like a big waste to me. Why not just reconstruct the 31W/109 intersection to make north 109 to north 31W the through route, and have traffic utilize Exit 1 in Kentucky?
At least it extends the six lane widening, if only for about a mile or so. That does seem to be a reasonable alternative, especially since KYTC is widening US 31W between the state line and I-65.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: jpi on January 23, 2015, 12:22:48 AM
Post by: jpi on January 23, 2015, 12:22:48 AM
Glad to see this is starting next month, the 4-lane part of 109 starts near where my sister and brother in law live in Portland. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on January 29, 2015, 07:06:16 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on January 29, 2015, 07:06:16 AM
Quote from: jpi on January 23, 2015, 12:22:48 AM
Glad to see this is starting next month, the 4-lane part of 109 starts near where my sister and brother in law live in Portland. Should be interesting.
Now if Portland can be bypassed and 109 widened in Wilson County...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: jpi on February 04, 2015, 12:07:10 AM
Post by: jpi on February 04, 2015, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on January 29, 2015, 07:06:16 AMAgreed, the Portland By-Pass may happen before the 109 4 laning in Wilson County near my house.Quote from: jpi on January 23, 2015, 12:22:48 AM
Glad to see this is starting next month, the 4-lane part of 109 starts near where my sister and brother in law live in Portland. Should be interesting.
Now if Portland can be bypassed and 109 widened in Wilson County...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on February 09, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
Post by: I-39 on February 09, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
When will the widening of I-65 be done south of Franklin to just shy of 840?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on February 10, 2015, 06:50:50 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on February 10, 2015, 06:50:50 AM
Quote from: adamlanfort on February 09, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
When will the widening of I-65 be done south of Franklin to just shy of 840?
The project got impacted a bit due to a tanker truck catching fire and damaging both the existing and new bridges at the Goose Creek Bypass. It was supposed to be complete (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/i65WilliamsonCo/timeline.htm) in mid-2016. It isn't certain right now (http://www.wsmv.com/story/26351517/timeline-set-for-i-65-bridge-construction) if that date will slip or not.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on February 15, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on February 15, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
Instead of all this hullabaloo with 109, they ought to just build the northeast quadrant of 840.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on February 16, 2015, 10:46:26 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on February 16, 2015, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Crazy Volvo Guy on February 15, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
Instead of all this hullabaloo with 109, they ought to just build the northeast quadrant of 840.
I agree, but I don't know if it will ever happen.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on February 16, 2015, 04:42:16 PM
Post by: bigdave on February 16, 2015, 04:42:16 PM
I saw some activity in a couple of areas on I-75 North of Chattanooga along with some partially covered blue signs.
Looks like they are setting up some parking areas for truckers to park and rest for a bit:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/feb/03/parking-sites-project-helps-truckers-find-tim/286144/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/feb/03/parking-sites-project-helps-truckers-find-tim/286144/)
David
Looks like they are setting up some parking areas for truckers to park and rest for a bit:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/feb/03/parking-sites-project-helps-truckers-find-tim/286144/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/feb/03/parking-sites-project-helps-truckers-find-tim/286144/)
David
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on February 16, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on February 16, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
^ Michigan has some of those electronic blue signs along I-94.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on February 16, 2015, 05:51:55 PM
Post by: bigdave on February 16, 2015, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on February 16, 2015, 05:31:26 PMAh, you are correct. :spin:
^ Michigan has some of those electronic blue signs along I-94.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michigan.gov%2Fimages%2Fmdot%2FMDOT_TPIMS-1_468621_7.jpg&hash=117e19fae47a62ba93ef393aa24556e0e71ffa1c)
I had been seeing the covered blue signs along I-75 on my last few trips to Kingsport, so it's good to know what they are now.
David
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on February 17, 2015, 08:10:37 AM
Post by: froggie on February 17, 2015, 08:10:37 AM
QuoteInstead of all this hullabaloo with 109, they ought to just build the northeast quadrant of 840.
109's cheaper and addresses an existing need. 840 is more speculative than anything else, especially with where they proposed it.
Title: Tennessee's First Toll Road?
Post by: Grzrd on April 01, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Post by: Grzrd on April 01, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
This article (http://www.ihoneida.com/news/local-news/2015/04/toll-booth-for-u-s-27-it-could-happen/) reports that Scott County (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Scott+County,+Tennessee&hl=en&ll=36.398073,-84.521942&spn=0.429993,0.617294&sll=33.767713,-84.420604&sspn=0.444087,0.617294&oq=scott+county+tennessee&hnear=Scott+County,+Tennessee&t=h&z=11) Commissioners are expected to introduce a measure to place a toll booth along U.S. 27:
Would the feds have a say as to whether the toll booth could be placed on U.S. 27?
Quote
U.S. Hwy. 27 in Scott County could soon become a toll road, if a proposal by Scott County Commissioners gains traction, as is expected.
When County Commission's Intergovernmental Committee meets Monday, a measure is expected to be introduced that would see a toll booth placed along U.S. Hwy. 27. The proposal is aimed at generating revenue to help repair roadways in Scott County.
One veteran commissioner, who asked to not be named since it is not his proposal, said the toll booth is likely to find support from a majority of the county's legislative body.
It isn't my idea, but I'm behind it, and every commissioner I've talked to says they're willing to consider it," the commissioner said. "We're one of the few counties in the state that does not provide any local funds to our county road department. I think all of us agree that Scott County's roadways need more funding, but there's no room in the budget for us to add that without a property tax increase."
The commissioner said the toll road idea is preferred because it will tax motorists who are actually using the road rather than placing an additional burden on property owners.
"We tax property owners for everything," he said. "It's unfair to keep going back to them and asking them to shoulder the tax burden."
If the proposal ultimately passes, U.S. Hwy. 27 will become Tennessee's first toll road. The Tennessee Tollway Act, passed by the state legislature and signed into law by then-Gov. Phil Bredesen in 2007, allows for tollways. So far, several have been proposed but none have actually come to fruition ....
Tennessee is among 20 states that have never had a toll road of any kind ...
The most logical location, commissioners say, is on the "Four Lane" section of U.S. 27 in Oneida, since it is the most heavily-traveled section of the roadway. However, state law will not allow a county government to authorize a toll road inside a municipality's corporate limits. That means a toll booth, if approved, would likely be located somewhere between Oneida and Huntsville. ....
"Theoretically, if Oneida and Huntsville are opposed to the toll booth, they could annex U.S. 27 all the way through and leave us out in the cold," ....
Exactly what would happen of the proposed toll booth in such a scenario remains to be seen, but anti-tax community activist Roger Stauls thinks he has a solution.
"If we're going to charge a toll, let's make the tourists pay it instead of our local residents," he said. "Put it on River Road or Leatherwood Road."
It is uncertain how long it would take for such a measure to become reality, but TDOT spokesperson April Dullard said it could be as soon as 12 months.
"There's a lot of revenue traveling those roads," Dullard said. "Really, counties who don't take advantage of that are fools."
Would the feds have a say as to whether the toll booth could be placed on U.S. 27?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2015, 04:09:17 AM
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2015, 04:09:17 AM
Quote from: Grzrd on April 01, 2015, 08:35:58 PMProbably, since it was built/improved with feddybux.
Would the feds have a say as to whether the toll booth could be placed on U.S. 27?
Quote from: Grzrd on April 01, 2015, 08:35:58 PMBullshit. http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=1460Quote
Tennessee is among 20 states that have never had a toll road of any kind ...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 02, 2015, 07:28:44 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 02, 2015, 07:28:44 AM
I don't see that happening. It would have to gain TDOT approval, and I don't see them supporting such a measure.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: SteveG1988 on May 13, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: SteveG1988 on May 13, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
Tried to snap a photo but I40 at 240 in Memphis, going west, has a new full color VMS, similar in ability to the NJ turnpike ones, just not as big. They're using it with a BGS emulation.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on May 13, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
Tried to snap a photo but I40 at 240 in Memphis, going west, has a new full color VMS, similar in ability to the NJ turnpike ones, just not as big. They're using it with a BGS emulation.
I saw one further up on I-40 going west near Wolfchase when I was in that area in March.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: TrevorB on May 15, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Post by: TrevorB on May 15, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
A friend of mine coming into town from Nashville snapped a pic and sent it to me. I haven't been out in that area in a while, so I haven't seen them. The camera makes the signs appear glitchy, but they aren't.
(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/11216364_10206455732530573_1577199290_n.jpg?oh=ed4274c68210d603040fb2c5fde9eb59&oe=5558B10A)
(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/11216364_10206455732530573_1577199290_n.jpg?oh=ed4274c68210d603040fb2c5fde9eb59&oe=5558B10A)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 15, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 15, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
Those new message boards are hard to photograph because of that effect. I am surprised there are two of them on one gantry. I wonder if TDOT is beginning to replace all of their VMSs in the Memphis are with the full-color ones?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on June 10, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on June 10, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
TDOT has the intent to advertise the rebuild of US 27 in Chattanooga between I-24 and the Tennessee River bridge. The plans can be found here (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/Future_Project_Plans.htm) beside "From the I-24/I-124 Interchange to south of the Tennessee River Bridge" section.
Curiously, the plans keep referring to the road as I-124, but none of the signs that are to be installed reflect this.
Curiously, the plans keep referring to the road as I-124, but none of the signs that are to be installed reflect this.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 10, 2015, 04:00:19 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 10, 2015, 04:00:19 PM
I'd sign Interstate 124, despite the fact it's only 1.9 miles. And (fictionally) extend it to Highway 111.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2015, 03:24:25 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2015, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 10, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
TDOT has the intent to advertise the rebuild of US 27 in Chattanooga between I-24 and the Tennessee River bridge. The plans can be found here (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/Future_Project_Plans.htm) beside "From the I-24/I-124 Interchange to south of the Tennessee River Bridge" section.
Curiously, the plans keep referring to the road as I-124, but none of the signs that are to be installed reflect this.
I remember seeing one sign on I-124 that was there for years after they removed signage. There was a sign up during the reconstruction of ramps for a little bit that was up but that did not last. I hate that the one sign is gone as I recall it was a state named shield.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on November 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
Post by: Grzrd on November 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of two highway project lists: (a) currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), and (b) new projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/New-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), as part of his public relations campaign to identify increased transportation funding in Tennessee:
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Joined by Department of Transportation (TDOT) Commissioner John Schroer, Haslam also released two transportation projects lists: a list of 181 backlogged projects that will not be completed or at least under contract until 2034; and a list of 765 new project needs that cannot be considered until 2022 at the earliest, if ever.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on November 14, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
Post by: Grzrd on November 14, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
This TDOT press release (https://www.tn.gov/news/19387) announces the release, by Gov. Haslam, of two highway project lists: (a) currently backlogged projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/Backlog-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), and (b) new projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/ProjectNeeds/Images/documents/New-Projects-for-11-9-15.pdf), as part of his public relations campaign to identify increased transportation funding in Tennessee
Quote from: Grzrd on November 09, 2015, 09:31:32 PM(above quote from Lamar Avenue Improvements (Memphis) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15376.msg2104910#msg2104910) thread)
This article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/government/state/gov-haslam-pushes-for-road-plan-in-memphis-visit-240d41e0-81a8-1a60-e053-0100007ff9dd-344002722.html) reports that Gov. Haslam ... believes Tennessee has a three-year window of opportunity to enact some form of transportation funding increase
This November 12 article (http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/12/highway-funding/75477320/) reports that, with 2016 being an election year, Gov. Haslam does not believe that a transportation infrastructure bill will come up for a vote in the legislature that year:
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Republican Gov. Bill Haslam traveled across the state Monday for the second time this year to talk about the state's $5.3 billion shortage in highway funding, but indicated he doesn't expect the legislature to vote on a bill dealing with the shortage ....
On Monday Haslam said he didn't think infrastructure funding would come up for a vote in 2016, an election year for 99 representatives and 16 senators.
Rep. Bill Sanderson, a Republican from Kenton, agreed with the governor.
Sanderson, who sits on the House Transportation Committee, said Republicans are not going to touch the topic this spring and talk of a vote is "premature."
"After this next election cycle I think there might be [some room]," Sanderson said. "It'll give everybody time to put a real solid plan together ... to be honest there's a lot to consider."
Sanderson said a diesel tax increase, gas tax increase, toll roads and increased registration fees are some of the items the state has to research and discuss.
Sen. Ed Jackson, a Republican from Jackson, said the state is going to have to come up with more revenue streams – he's just not sure what that looks like yet. Jackson said he wouldn't want to increase the state's fuel tax, but said that may have to happen ....
According to Dave Smith, Haslam's director of communications, Congress passing a highway funding bill would not change the governor's stance on trying to assure more funds for the state's infrastructure.
At least Haslam is methodically setting the stage for 2017.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
I-124 is still on the general highway maps, which would mean that it still exists as a hidden designation.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on November 15, 2015, 08:03:13 AM
Post by: Tom958 on November 15, 2015, 08:03:13 AM
I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but after a few weeks of working in Tennessee I eventually noticed that Tennessee, like Georgia, seems to be doing away with cantilevered overhead sign mounts in favor of full width overheads. However, in Tennessee I haven't seen any of the so-called butterfly (tall single post) mounts that Georgia sometimes uses, so it's pretty much full width overheads or nothing.
Also, when I was working in Nashville in 2012 I noticed that three signs along I-24 westbound approaching TN 840 featured Franklin and the dot in the i in Memphis as control cities (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.875519,-86.4660122,3a,75y,318.09h,86.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNsLg_rkSnq0_IZYumkcscQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). It was an amusing curiousity at that time since 840 wasn't open all the way to 40 and therefore wasn't at all the way to Memphis. Now, though, the signs are still that way even though 840 is open and is by far the preferable route to Memphis. Someone needs to fix that.
And, for anyone who cares and doesn't know, since I've been travelling from Atlanta to Franklin for the last couple of months, I've been posting crappy cellphone pics and pithy commentary about my travels on the Southeast Roads (for the Tennesse portions) and the Peach State Roads (for the Georgia portions) Facebook groups. I'm planning to upload photos to imgur and do a proper photo feature once I'm happy with them, but for now my Facebook stuff seems popular enough.
Also, when I was working in Nashville in 2012 I noticed that three signs along I-24 westbound approaching TN 840 featured Franklin and the dot in the i in Memphis as control cities (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.875519,-86.4660122,3a,75y,318.09h,86.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNsLg_rkSnq0_IZYumkcscQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). It was an amusing curiousity at that time since 840 wasn't open all the way to 40 and therefore wasn't at all the way to Memphis. Now, though, the signs are still that way even though 840 is open and is by far the preferable route to Memphis. Someone needs to fix that.
And, for anyone who cares and doesn't know, since I've been travelling from Atlanta to Franklin for the last couple of months, I've been posting crappy cellphone pics and pithy commentary about my travels on the Southeast Roads (for the Tennesse portions) and the Peach State Roads (for the Georgia portions) Facebook groups. I'm planning to upload photos to imgur and do a proper photo feature once I'm happy with them, but for now my Facebook stuff seems popular enough.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 16, 2015, 07:08:10 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 16, 2015, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 14, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
I-124 is still on the general highway maps, which would mean that it still exists as a hidden designation.
And it is also mentioned in the highway plans for rebuilding US 27 through Chattanooga, yet there is no mention of it on any of the signage plans.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: TrevorB on November 16, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
Post by: TrevorB on November 16, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
While driving around yesterday, I noticed that TDOT has greened-out all of the "WEST" designations on BGSes on the west leg of I-240 northbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.068244,-90.0256752,3a,15y,351.25h,111.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suj_z7f4-vHBB4Nm1eEYbxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and replaced it with "NORTH". Wasn't able to get any pics but it looks like they did it on all the signs.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 17, 2015, 07:06:08 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 17, 2015, 07:06:08 AM
I thought it was already signed north-south?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: TrevorB on November 17, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Post by: TrevorB on November 17, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Nope, see the link. It's been E/W even on the N/S sections.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: MikeTheActuary on November 17, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
Post by: MikeTheActuary on November 17, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: TrevorB on November 17, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Nope, see the link. It's been E/W even on the N/S sections.
In the late 70's and 80's, it was North/South.
Regarding the full color VMS sign on WB I-40 approaching I-240, I have a strong suspicion that they're using that style of sign because of just how much lane assignments will change (and change, and change, and change) through the interchange reconstruction project. When I came into town Sunday night, the lane configuration was different than it was just a month ago, for example....and all that TDOT needed to do to change the signage is adjust the programming.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on November 19, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
Post by: lordsutch on November 19, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on November 17, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
In the late 70's and 80's, it was North/South.
It actually changed directions all the way around the loop, through the period when it was co-signed with I-40 on the north side.
But Midtown I-240 historically has always been fairly consistently signed north-south (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0882479,-90.0253806,3a,75y,355.81h,76.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suqEK7Q744vTF9pr7UkYLlw!2e0!5s20150501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) between I-55 and I-40; that's the way it's been signed from west I-240 approaching I-55 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0715383,-90.0205982,3a,75y,285.84h,74.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slPdASqZsAGVgpRryAwEo5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) for years. I'm guessing TDOT finally figured out the signs on I-55 were wrong.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CYoder on December 09, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Post by: CYoder on December 09, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
The US 11E-US 19E/W interchange project in Bluff City has been open for almost a month. There was still a bit more work being done when I poked around today: the ramp from US 19E to US 11E/US 19W south was closed off and some work was being done further south at Bluff City Highway.
For comparison, here's the old configuration still shown in OSM:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.4569/-82.2885 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.4569/-82.2885)
And the new (Waze shows a more accurate realignment of Whitehead Rd to the west):
https://www.waze.com/livemap?zoom=16&lat=36.45532&lon=-82.28633 (https://www.waze.com/livemap?zoom=16&lat=36.45532&lon=-82.28633)
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4555558,-82.2858626,17z (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4555558,-82.2858626,17z)
For comparison, here's the old configuration still shown in OSM:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.4569/-82.2885 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.4569/-82.2885)
And the new (Waze shows a more accurate realignment of Whitehead Rd to the west):
https://www.waze.com/livemap?zoom=16&lat=36.45532&lon=-82.28633 (https://www.waze.com/livemap?zoom=16&lat=36.45532&lon=-82.28633)
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4555558,-82.2858626,17z (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4555558,-82.2858626,17z)
- At the end of US 19E, the right lane becomes the ramp to US 11E/US 19 north. The other lane has a BGS for US 11E/US 19W south, and another BGS beside it that says "To Whitehead Rd".
- Coming from the other direction, I couldn't see an official designation for the new bit of road between the interchange and Whitehead Rd. Google Maps shows it as US 19E/TN 37, which I doubt. The intersection of the southern end of Whitehead Rd. with US 11E has been removed (which none of the online maps show yet).
- Further to the south, the intersection with Bluff City Highway (TN 44) has been modified. Southbound US 11E has no mention of the highway because the connection has been removed. The old connection with northbound US 11E has been converted into a (sort of) ramp. Southbound Bluff City Highway traffic now hits a cul-de-sac and must turn around.
- TN 44 appears to have been truncated to its junction with US 19E, about a half-mile from its former end at US 11E. The BGS on northbound US 11E approaching Bluff City Highway has a sign for "To TN 44" and the first reassurance sign is past the junction with US 19E. At US 19E itself, the arrows for TN 44 only point northward.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on December 09, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
Post by: hbelkins on December 09, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
Was there a particular reason a grade-separated intersection was built there?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CYoder on December 09, 2015, 09:24:49 PM
Post by: CYoder on December 09, 2015, 09:24:49 PM
Safety, according to local news coverage. Too many serious accidents with left-turning traffic between US 11E and US 19E (as well as Bluff City Highway access to the south). A traffic light was put up at the US 19 E/W split for a few years but apparently that was always a temporary solution.
That issue aside, there is a nice side-effect from the new interchange. Southbound US 11E has an incline for about half a mile before reaching the intersection, and the passing lane would fill up with slower traffic getting ready for the left turn onto US 19E. Exiting traffic now must stay to the right.
I don't think we're in the clear yet though. Just to the north, between the river and the incline is a busy flea market. There is a very small crossover so that southbound US 11E can get clear and wait for a gap to turn left, but it's nowhere near large enough, and the left lane gets backed up with traffic wanting to turn left. Likewise, it's too small to hold all the cars wanting to go south on US 11E from the flea market, so drivers will dart in and out and hope for the best.
That issue aside, there is a nice side-effect from the new interchange. Southbound US 11E has an incline for about half a mile before reaching the intersection, and the passing lane would fill up with slower traffic getting ready for the left turn onto US 19E. Exiting traffic now must stay to the right.
I don't think we're in the clear yet though. Just to the north, between the river and the incline is a busy flea market. There is a very small crossover so that southbound US 11E can get clear and wait for a gap to turn left, but it's nowhere near large enough, and the left lane gets backed up with traffic wanting to turn left. Likewise, it's too small to hold all the cars wanting to go south on US 11E from the flea market, so drivers will dart in and out and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 09, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 09, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 09, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
Was there a particular reason a grade-separated intersection was built there?
I'm guessing because of traffic overload during events @ Bristol Motor Speedway just to the north.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on December 10, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: hbelkins on December 10, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
Wasn't there also a red light camera at the 11E/19 split?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CYoder on December 11, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
Post by: CYoder on December 11, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
There haven't been any red light cameras around Bluff City, but there is a speed camera a half mile south of the split.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on December 13, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: Tom958 on December 13, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
Just-opened replacement bridge carrying Murphy Hollow Road over I-24, between the Georgia line and the Tennessee River. As with many new bridges. the three star Tennessee logo (!) is cast into the abutment, but this one is painted, too. I like it here, but I'm not too sure about having it pop up all over the state.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8T35Qtg.jpg%3F1&hash=be04712d0c43c85d9e7050553d7bffc1fd1274cb)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8T35Qtg.jpg%3F1&hash=be04712d0c43c85d9e7050553d7bffc1fd1274cb)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: slorydn1 on January 04, 2016, 07:42:39 AM
Post by: slorydn1 on January 04, 2016, 07:42:39 AM
The new 4 lane alignment of US-411 between Norton Rd to US-25E is open (1 lane only each way), just southwest of Newport.
I see the update is already on Google Maps.
It kinda irritated me a little because I was enjoying the twisty 2 lane road and suddenly got shunted on to the new route, and access to the old route from there is closed off. But it also was a little exiting because I had stumbled on a new routing I hadn't been on before. The last several times I had been to Pigeon Forge I had either taken the GSM Pkwy or TN-66 to get back to I-40 when leaving. I hadn't been on US-411 between Sevierville and Newport in at least 4-5 years until this weekend.
There is still some road work going on (they weren't doing anything on Saturday when I went through there, though). I suddenly came up on it by surprise, so I have no pictures (sorry).
I see the update is already on Google Maps.
It kinda irritated me a little because I was enjoying the twisty 2 lane road and suddenly got shunted on to the new route, and access to the old route from there is closed off. But it also was a little exiting because I had stumbled on a new routing I hadn't been on before. The last several times I had been to Pigeon Forge I had either taken the GSM Pkwy or TN-66 to get back to I-40 when leaving. I hadn't been on US-411 between Sevierville and Newport in at least 4-5 years until this weekend.
There is still some road work going on (they weren't doing anything on Saturday when I went through there, though). I suddenly came up on it by surprise, so I have no pictures (sorry).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 04, 2016, 09:56:06 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 04, 2016, 09:56:06 PM
US 321 is a pretty quick and scenic drive from Gatlinburg to I-40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: slorydn1 on January 05, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
Post by: slorydn1 on January 05, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 04, 2016, 09:56:06 PM
US 321 is a pretty quick and scenic drive from Gatlinburg to I-40.
Thanks. Next time I'm up there I'll go that way. I have done US-321 in the other direction before, down through Wears Valley to the Foothills Pkwy to US-129 to do the Dragon, not sure why I never did it between Gatlinburg and I-40. I guess I always end up in Pigeon Forge before leaving the area so I never double back.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: tidecat on January 05, 2016, 09:10:04 PM
Post by: tidecat on January 05, 2016, 09:10:04 PM
Man climbs on top of BGS on I-65 in Nashville:
http://wkrn.com/2016/01/05/man-climbs-sign-shuts-down-i-65/
I posted the link to the story on the Ohio Valley board, but there was a fire at a rest area in Kentucky on I-65 early this morning as well.
http://wkrn.com/2016/01/05/man-climbs-sign-shuts-down-i-65/
I posted the link to the story on the Ohio Valley board, but there was a fire at a rest area in Kentucky on I-65 early this morning as well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: spooky on January 07, 2016, 07:20:20 AM
Post by: spooky on January 07, 2016, 07:20:20 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 05, 2016, 08:23:53 AMQuote from: hbelkins on January 04, 2016, 09:56:06 PM
US 321 is a pretty quick and scenic drive from Gatlinburg to I-40.
Thanks. Next time I'm up there I'll go that way. I have done US-321 in the other direction before, down through Wears Valley to the Foothills Pkwy to US-129 to do the Dragon, not sure why I never did it between Gatlinburg and I-40. I guess I always end up in Pigeon Forge before leaving the area so I never double back.
My folks live in Wears Valley and the last few visits we have flown into Charlotte and taken US 74 to I-26 to I-40 to US 411. Might try US 321 next time for a change of scenery, or might stick with 411 to check out the new alignment.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on January 11, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
Post by: froggie on January 11, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
An article (http://www.chattanoogan.com/2016/1/7/315599/2-Traffic-Lanes-To-Be-Left-Open-Each.aspx) on the upcoming reconstruction of US 27 (hidden I-124) between I-24 and the Tennessee River in Chattanooga. Construction will take 4 years and has been let to bid.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 11, 2016, 03:58:24 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 11, 2016, 03:58:24 PM
It's about time. The reconstruction has been delayed long enough. At least it won't become a signaled surface boulevard like it was once proposed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 11, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 11, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: spooky on January 07, 2016, 07:20:20 AM
My folks live in Wears Valley and the last few visits we have flown into Charlotte and taken US 74 to I-26 to I-40 to US 411. Might try US 321 next time for a change of scenery, or might stick with 411 to check out the new alignment.
The first time I drove to Charlotte (a day trip, there and back, for a road meet) I took I-26, US 74 and I-85 out of Asheville, and returned via I-85, US 321 north to I-40 to Asheville. Best I can recall, time-wise the routes were pretty close. So there might be another alternative for you to consider. Of course, if you're going to Wears Valley, you could take US 321 all the way. :D
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 24, 2016, 07:17:32 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 24, 2016, 07:17:32 AM
Has anybody been near Lawrenceburg lately? Seems in August the Western half of the US-64 bypass was opened, and I was curious if the old segment into town became a business route.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/16880
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/16880
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
I went through there late last year, and I don't remember the old route being signed as a BUS route. However, I only saw it at both ends along the bypass, and I didn't go into town to see if it was signed as such there.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 24, 2016, 07:37:36 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 24, 2016, 07:37:36 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on February 24, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
I went through there late last year, and I don't remember the old route being signed as a BUS route. However, I only saw it at both ends along the bypass, and I didn't go into town to see if it was signed as such there.
I'm guessing it became un-numbered except the small segment of the TN Secondary 242 multiplex if the 2016 Official State Map is to be believed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ixnay on February 28, 2016, 06:36:06 PM
Post by: ixnay on February 28, 2016, 06:36:06 PM
Oops, it did it again... I-75 is closed by a fresh landslide just south of the KY border.
http://www.fox19.com/story/31332773/web-update-interstate-75-shut-down-in-tennessee
ixnay
http://www.fox19.com/story/31332773/web-update-interstate-75-shut-down-in-tennessee
ixnay
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: keithvh on February 28, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
Post by: keithvh on February 28, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 28, 2016, 06:36:06 PM
Oops, it did it again... I-75 is closed by a fresh landslide just south of the KY border.
http://www.fox19.com/story/31332773/web-update-interstate-75-shut-down-in-tennessee
ixnay
Yikes. That's a pretty key corridor, especially at Spring Break time, all the Michigan/Ohio to Georgia/Florida traffic.
I was driving from Martinsville, VA to Cincinnati, OH today and I took 58 across to Cumberland Gap and 25E up to I-75 ---- that explains why the 25E corridor was quite a bit heavier than normal. That's a viable detour for long-distance folk heading on I-75 and heading down to I-40/the Carolinas.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on February 29, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on February 29, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
I-71 and I-65 and I-24 is going to see a lot more traffic....
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ysuindy on March 11, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
Post by: ysuindy on March 11, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
Southbound lanes on I-75 opened March 10 per this report
http://www.wlwt.com/news/I-75-SB-reopens-in-TN-after-weeks-long-rockslide-cleanup/38438098 (http://www.wlwt.com/news/I-75-SB-reopens-in-TN-after-weeks-long-rockslide-cleanup/38438098)
http://www.wlwt.com/news/I-75-SB-reopens-in-TN-after-weeks-long-rockslide-cleanup/38438098 (http://www.wlwt.com/news/I-75-SB-reopens-in-TN-after-weeks-long-rockslide-cleanup/38438098)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: jbnati27 on March 30, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
Post by: jbnati27 on March 30, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: ysuindy on March 11, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
Southbound lanes on I-75 opened March 10 per this report
I can confirm this as I drove through on 3/18. I had to take the detour on my return trip on 3/23, though.
Ostensibly, one lane is now open on Northbound 1-75 according to the Tennessee Department of Transportation.
(https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/one-lane-to-re-open-thursday-on-i-75-north-in-campbell-county%5B/url)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on March 30, 2016, 08:42:10 PM
Post by: Georgia on March 30, 2016, 08:42:10 PM
all the VMS on Northbound 75 have been updated to reflect that one lane is open also
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 02, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 02, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
There is a letting for the widening of TN 109 between the new Cumberland River bridge and the TN 109 Gallatin bypass. Unfortunately, it is a five lane with a signal at the bypass.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rte66man on May 03, 2016, 11:34:13 PM
Post by: rte66man on May 03, 2016, 11:34:13 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 02, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
There is a letting for the widening of TN 109 between the new Cumberland River bridge and the TN 109 Gallatin bypass. Unfortunately, it is a five lane with a signal at the bypass.
TDOT wussed out again..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 04, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 04, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Yeah for this to be an alternative to I-65 through Nashville it is very inconsistent, and Gallatin will be a bit of a bottleneck. I guess the issue is money, as usual.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 04, 2016, 08:08:12 AM
Post by: froggie on May 04, 2016, 08:08:12 AM
May not just be money. Could just as easily be local demands property access. None of the Southeastern states do access management very well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on May 11, 2016, 10:16:16 PM
Post by: Tom958 on May 11, 2016, 10:16:16 PM
Or it could be that TN 109 just isn't that great of a bypass route. I had reason to mess around with Googling the Chattanooga-Louisville (or Ringgold-Elizabethtown) axis, and was surprised by how often TN 109 doesn't appear as a suggested route option. Even trying Murfreesboro or Manchester, Google likes US 231 and KY 101 instead.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: jpi on May 11, 2016, 11:55:38 PM
Post by: jpi on May 11, 2016, 11:55:38 PM
US 231 north to KY 101 at Scottsville is a nice alternate and the most direct route for me to take to I-65 north if I am going to OH \ western PA, it takes me about an hour from my house (I live 2 blocks off US 231 north side of Lebanon, TN) As for 109, yes it will be 5 lanes from I-40 north to the Gallatin by-pass by the end of the decade, it would be nice if it was built like it was north of Gallatin but at this point us Wilson Countians will take ANYTHING instead of what 109 is now, there was another deadly crash on it near me the other morning and yes the southeast does not do well with access control, especially TN
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
Can anyone advise why US 31E was routed onto I-65 at one time but then routed off and back onto Gallatin Pike?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 29, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 29, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
I drove through Nashville today. All eight lanes of I-65 are now open between TN 840 and the Goose Creek Bypass in Williamson County. There are still some things left to do. Permanent striping is in place, but several sign bridges need to be placed. I am not sure what else needs to be done at the interchange with the Goose Creek Bypass.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rte66man on May 29, 2016, 10:12:57 PM
Post by: rte66man on May 29, 2016, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
Can anyone advise why US 31E was routed onto I-65 at one time but then routed off and back onto Gallatin Pike?
My memory may be playing tricks on me (again), bu iirc it had to do with Veteran's Parkway and the extension of the Ellington Parkway north to Briley. When 31E was pulled from Gallatin Road, it was to move it over to 65 up to Rivergate, then east on whatever part of Veterans was finished at the time. The combination of wanting Ellington Parkway to have a "real" highway # along with the extension of Veteran's almost to Gallatin meant 31E was put back on Gallatin Road north of Briley. Will have to see if someone has a better memory (shouldn't be too hard).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 29, 2016, 11:28:57 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 29, 2016, 11:28:57 PM
I seem to recall a short lived US 31 BUS in Hendersonville.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 01, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 01, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
I just read that TDOT is planning to extend SR 396 (Saturn Parkway) through the GM Plant to come out the other end to SR 247 (Beechcroft Road). What a collosial waste of money. The traffic counts I know have got to be very minimal.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on July 01, 2016, 09:43:51 AM
Post by: Alex on July 01, 2016, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 01, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
I just read that TDOT is planning to extend SR 396 (Saturn Parkway) through the GM Plant to come out the other end to SR 247 (Beechcroft Road). What a collosial waste of money. The traffic counts I know have got to be very minimal.
Looks like it, but as an arterial, not a freeway.
See page 13 of the Spring Hill 2040 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE
PLAN (http://www.springhilltn.org/DocumentCenter/View/1591)
The TDOT page shows just two lanes leading north to an improved Beechcroft Road (SR 247):
http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Conceptual_Layouts_w-Typicals.pdf
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on July 01, 2016, 11:46:16 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on July 01, 2016, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: Alex on July 01, 2016, 09:43:51 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on July 01, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
I just read that TDOT is planning to extend SR 396 (Saturn Parkway) through the GM Plant to come out the other end to SR 247 (Beechcroft Road). What a collosial waste of money. The traffic counts I know have got to be very minimal.
Looks like it, but as an arterial, not a freeway.
See page 13 of the Spring Hill 2040 MAJOR THOROUGHFARE
PLAN (http://www.springhilltn.org/DocumentCenter/View/1591)
The TDOT page shows just two lanes leading north to an improved Beechcroft Road (SR 247):
http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Conceptual_Layouts_w-Typicals.pdf
If all of those interchanges are put in, then that IMO would make an even more compelling argument for widening I-65 to at least six lanes down to Saturn Parkway.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 01, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 01, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
I remember that plan. The problem with that plan is that state law changed in relation to annexation. The plan appears to allege that Greens Mill Rd would be annexed in the city. The problem is at that time a city could annex by ordinance. Now if a city wants to annex it must do so by resolution at the request of the property owner(s) or if they city wants to annex without request then the city must do so by a contested election. The property owners along Greens Mill Rd have nice homes with a county water system and no city property taxes. I know that an election would fail as the property values are high enough for property owners to want to reject higher taxes.
Also there is large opposition to folks that live inside and outside of the city limits to a Kedron Road interchange. The people that would benefit to access are opposed to it due to the rural character of the area outside the city limits and the semi-rural/exhurb area inside the city limits. There are a few subdivisions in the area but there are few services and other structures in the area save the golf course, counrty store (technically not annexed into the city) and park.
Spring Hill is in two counties. The folks on the Williamson County side have a little different attitudes to the plans and I can see an interchange at the Buckner Road Extension as proposed. The Saturn Parkway extensions have not generated much interest that I am aware of.
Also there is large opposition to folks that live inside and outside of the city limits to a Kedron Road interchange. The people that would benefit to access are opposed to it due to the rural character of the area outside the city limits and the semi-rural/exhurb area inside the city limits. There are a few subdivisions in the area but there are few services and other structures in the area save the golf course, counrty store (technically not annexed into the city) and park.
Spring Hill is in two counties. The folks on the Williamson County side have a little different attitudes to the plans and I can see an interchange at the Buckner Road Extension as proposed. The Saturn Parkway extensions have not generated much interest that I am aware of.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: FLRoads on August 14, 2016, 12:13:06 PM
Post by: FLRoads on August 14, 2016, 12:13:06 PM
Tennessee Adds New 77 Miles of Highway to Interstate System (https://tn.gov/tdot/news/44772)
TDOT sent out a news bulletin on August 12, 2016 officially designating the entire stretch of SR 840 as I-840. Signage will start being put in place next week and should be complete by the end of the year.
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum as I skimmed through four pages of unread posts (just returned from a mega road trip out west) so I thought I'd share it here. If it's been posted elsewhere already, then ignore this post :-P
TDOT sent out a news bulletin on August 12, 2016 officially designating the entire stretch of SR 840 as I-840. Signage will start being put in place next week and should be complete by the end of the year.
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum as I skimmed through four pages of unread posts (just returned from a mega road trip out west) so I thought I'd share it here. If it's been posted elsewhere already, then ignore this post :-P
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on August 14, 2016, 12:46:27 PM
Post by: Tom958 on August 14, 2016, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 14, 2016, 12:13:06 PM
Tennessee Adds New 77 Miles of Highway to Interstate System (https://tn.gov/tdot/news/44772)
TDOT sent out a news bulletin on August 12, 2016 officially designating the entire stretch of SR 840 as I-840. Signage will start being put in place next week and should be complete by the end of the year.
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum as I skimmed through four pages of unread posts (just returned from a mega road trip out west) so I thought I'd share it here. If it's been posted elsewhere already, then ignore this post :-P
This is the first I'd heard of it. Hopefully while they're up there they can add "Memphis" where it's supposed to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8808893,-86.4719136,3a,27.8y,315.73h,95.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-mYDhDuD3sJ1whadyCIbxg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mdthomas8368 on August 14, 2016, 03:42:05 PM
Post by: mdthomas8368 on August 14, 2016, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 14, 2016, 12:13:06 PM
Tennessee Adds New 77 Miles of Highway to Interstate System (https://tn.gov/tdot/news/44772)
TDOT sent out a news bulletin on August 12, 2016 officially designating the entire stretch of SR 840 as I-840. Signage will start being put in place next week and should be complete by the end of the year.
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum as I skimmed through four pages of unread posts (just returned from a mega road trip out west) so I thought I'd share it here. If it's been posted elsewhere already, then ignore this post :-P
I posted yesterday on the AASHTO 2015 thread, but should have added here as well. All of the 840 BGS signs along I-24, I-40, I-65, US41/70S (and others, I'm sure) need to have all of their control cities adjusted to Memphis/Dickson (west) and Knoxville/Lebanon (east). The attached is what I believe is the worst example of the control cities on an 840 BGS https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8991882,-86.4457108,3a,75y,327.54h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX7cnS5JeqBVnMCAfVM3maA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8991882,-86.4457108,3a,75y,327.54h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX7cnS5JeqBVnMCAfVM3maA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: freebrickproductions on August 15, 2016, 03:27:41 AM
Post by: freebrickproductions on August 15, 2016, 03:27:41 AM
Huh, I took TN 840 when I went up to Kentucky a few days ago. Didn't see any new interstate shields, though.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on August 15, 2016, 09:42:41 AM
Post by: froggie on August 15, 2016, 09:42:41 AM
Somewhat surprised that TDOT waited this long to make the announcement. FHWA and AASHTO signed off on it last year.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2016, 11:41:50 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2016, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on August 15, 2016, 03:27:41 AM
Huh, I took TN 840 when I went up to Kentucky a few days ago. Didn't see any new interstate shields, though.
I think the sign replacements are supposed to start this week.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Henry on August 15, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
Post by: Henry on August 15, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
Well, I'm not the least bit surprised by this! Now to make VA 895 into I-895...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 15, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 15, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
Great now there will a large traffic count.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: freebrickproductions on August 15, 2016, 02:55:01 PM
Post by: freebrickproductions on August 15, 2016, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 15, 2016, 11:41:50 AMGlad I got photos of some of the TN 840 shields when I did then.Quote from: freebrickproductions on August 15, 2016, 03:27:41 AM
Huh, I took TN 840 when I went up to Kentucky a few days ago. Didn't see any new interstate shields, though.
I think the sign replacements are supposed to start this week.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: LM117 on August 15, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Post by: LM117 on August 15, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 15, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
Well, I'm not the least bit surprised by this! Now to make VA 895 into I-895...
Good luck with that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_State_Route_895 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_State_Route_895)
QuoteThe road was originally planned as Interstate 895. However, in January 2002, when the Virginia Department of Transportation sought the Interstate designation from the Federal Highway Administration, it was informed that the expressway was not qualified for such a designation, as federal statute 23 USC 129(a)(1)(A) provides that federal funds may not be used for a tolled Interstate. Thus, toll roads using no federal funds and free roads of any funding source are eligible for Interstate designation, but toll roads that use federal funds are not. In this case, $9.28 million of the preliminary engineering (out of a total $324 million cost) was funded by the federal government, and the project ultimately opened as a toll road, disqualifying the road as a bearer of an Interstate shield.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: swbrotha100 on August 17, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
Post by: swbrotha100 on August 17, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 14, 2016, 12:13:06 PM
Tennessee Adds New 77 Miles of Highway to Interstate System (https://tn.gov/tdot/news/44772)
TDOT sent out a news bulletin on August 12, 2016 officially designating the entire stretch of SR 840 as I-840. Signage will start being put in place next week and should be complete by the end of the year.
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum as I skimmed through four pages of unread posts (just returned from a mega road trip out west) so I thought I'd share it here. If it's been posted elsewhere already, then ignore this post :-P
Good for Tennessee. I wish some other states had some more foresight in numbering their urban highways.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 17, 2016, 08:33:38 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 17, 2016, 08:33:38 PM
There goes my hard earned tax dollars wasted on changing a bunch of signs that don't need to be changed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on August 17, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
Post by: lordsutch on August 17, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
Yes, TDOT could have installed a couple of sets of traffic signals for that much money instead. The horror, the waste.
Not to mention that the signs on 840 east of I-24 are two decades old at this point. They're probably due for replacement anyway.
If you want to complain about waste, complain that TDOT spent 100% state funds to construct the route rather than utilizing federal matching funds in the hope that it would get them out of doing environmental paperwork that they ended up having to do anyway when they got sued, blowing probably $500+ million that could have been leveraged with federal funds elsewhere. West Tennessee might have gotten 385 done a decade earlier or East Tennessee might have gotten 475 actually built instead.
Not to mention that the signs on 840 east of I-24 are two decades old at this point. They're probably due for replacement anyway.
If you want to complain about waste, complain that TDOT spent 100% state funds to construct the route rather than utilizing federal matching funds in the hope that it would get them out of doing environmental paperwork that they ended up having to do anyway when they got sued, blowing probably $500+ million that could have been leveraged with federal funds elsewhere. West Tennessee might have gotten 385 done a decade earlier or East Tennessee might have gotten 475 actually built instead.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on August 19, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
Post by: hbelkins on August 19, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: lordsutch on August 17, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
If you want to complain about waste, complain that TDOT spent 100% state funds to construct the route rather than utilizing federal matching funds in the hope that it would get them out of doing environmental paperwork that they ended up having to do anyway when they got sued, blowing probably $500+ million that could have been leveraged with federal funds elsewhere. West Tennessee might have gotten 385 done a decade earlier or East Tennessee might have gotten 475 actually built instead.
It was pointed out years ago on MTR that Tennessee used state funds to build US 23 (now I-26) from the Erwin area up to the NC state line at Sams Gap to keep from having to do federally-required environmental work, despite the road being eligible for federal funding since it was an ARC corridor (Corridor B). That may have forced North Carolina's hand to finish its section of the route between the state line and Mars Hill, since Tennessee already had the freeway done.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mdthomas8368 on August 19, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
Post by: mdthomas8368 on August 19, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
I-840 neutered shields are at some entrance ramp areas -- noticed at exit 47 (Almaville Rd) and exit 34 (Peytonsville Rd). None at exit 50 (Veterans Pkwy) or at exit 42 (US31A/41A).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 21, 2016, 01:24:16 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 21, 2016, 01:24:16 PM
Last Friday I didn't see any I-840 shields in the Murfreesboro area.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: TrevorB on August 25, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
Post by: TrevorB on August 25, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
Got I-840 added to Google Maps.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 26, 2016, 09:27:16 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 26, 2016, 09:27:16 AM
No I-840 shields as of this morning along the junction with I-65. I was on I-65 and all of the BGS have the SR 840 shields.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on August 29, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Post by: Alex on August 29, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 26, 2016, 09:27:16 AM
No I-840 shields as of this morning along the junction with I-65. I was on I-65 and all of the BGS have the SR 840 shields.
Jeff R reported that only stand alone shields are posted for I-840 so far. All guide signs remain the same for now.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Rothman on August 30, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Post by: Rothman on August 30, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 19, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
It was pointed out years ago on MTR that Tennessee used state funds to build US 23 (now I-26) from the Erwin area up to the NC state line at Sams Gap to keep from having to do federally-required environmental work, despite the road being eligible for federal funding since it was an ARC corridor (Corridor B).
What a bizarre decision to refuse federal reimbursement. Can't remember if Appalachian funds were 100% at the moment.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2016, 06:09:52 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2016, 06:09:52 PM
I really don't like it when they make a future Interstate a state highway first. I personally believe if they are going to make a road an Interstate, it should be an Interstate from the moment its built or designated.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on August 30, 2016, 07:27:45 PM
Post by: froggie on August 30, 2016, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 30, 2016, 03:13:03 PMQuote from: hbelkins on August 19, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
It was pointed out years ago on MTR that Tennessee used state funds to build US 23 (now I-26) from the Erwin area up to the NC state line at Sams Gap to keep from having to do federally-required environmental work, despite the road being eligible for federal funding since it was an ARC corridor (Corridor B).
What a bizarre decision to refuse federal reimbursement. Can't remember if Appalachian funds were 100% at the moment.
I doubt it. It was completed back in the mid-1990's.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on August 31, 2016, 01:54:29 PM
Post by: hbelkins on August 31, 2016, 01:54:29 PM
John Lansford was the one who made that statement. Of course he always criticized Tennessee for their design of the highway. He never met a neighboring DOT that he didn't hate. :-D
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Rothman on August 31, 2016, 03:54:20 PM
Post by: Rothman on August 31, 2016, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 30, 2016, 07:27:45 PMQuote from: Rothman on August 30, 2016, 03:13:03 PMQuote from: hbelkins on August 19, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
It was pointed out years ago on MTR that Tennessee used state funds to build US 23 (now I-26) from the Erwin area up to the NC state line at Sams Gap to keep from having to do federally-required environmental work, despite the road being eligible for federal funding since it was an ARC corridor (Corridor B).
What a bizarre decision to refuse federal reimbursement. Can't remember if Appalachian funds were 100% at the moment.
I doubt it. It was completed back in the mid-1990's.
Yeah, just looked it up. ADHS funding wasn't 100% until 2012.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 25, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 25, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
SR 7 has just been realigned in Columbia. It now no longer continues south of US 43/ US 412. It now exits the current roadway runs east to end at US 31 along US 43.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on September 26, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
Post by: I-39 on September 26, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
I see a lot of new I-840 shields going up at exits and reassurance signs, but not yet on the overhead signs.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on September 26, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
Post by: I-39 on September 26, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
And FYI, are there ANY plans (that are being acted upon) at all to improve TN-96 between Franklin and Murfreesboro? At the bare minimum, they need to widen it to include a center turn lane for the entire length of it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 26, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 26, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Yeah I-840. :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: TrevorB on September 28, 2016, 05:38:47 PM
Post by: TrevorB on September 28, 2016, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: I-39 on September 26, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
I see a lot of new I-840 shields going up at exits and reassurance signs, but not yet on the overhead signs.
When I was in the Nashville area this past weekend, the overheads on I-40 near Dickson (west side of 840) had been replaced.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: tdindy88 on November 27, 2016, 10:37:54 PM
Post by: tdindy88 on November 27, 2016, 10:37:54 PM
I was in Nashville over Labor Day weekend and saw no I-840 shields on any overhead signs, but my dad was in Alabama this past weekend and did see them. Since no one's posted any, here's a quick shot of I-840 as it appeared on I-65.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1030.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy361%2Fthomasj88%2FI-840%2520sign_zpsp44dkld9.jpg&hash=586a1f0968112b0db298841d2df0132047191199) (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/thomasj88/media/I-840%20sign_zpsp44dkld9.jpg.html)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1030.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy361%2Fthomasj88%2FI-840%2520sign_zpsp44dkld9.jpg&hash=586a1f0968112b0db298841d2df0132047191199) (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/thomasj88/media/I-840%20sign_zpsp44dkld9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on December 03, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
Post by: I-39 on December 03, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
Man do they need to address the TN-96 interchange in Franklin. It is getting awful. Yet, surprisingly, when I contacted TN-DOT about it, they say there is no need to. Really?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 05, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 05, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 03, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
Man do they need to address the TN-96 interchange in Franklin. It is getting awful. Yet, surprisingly, when I contacted TN-DOT about it, they say there is no need to. Really?
That is odd, indeed. The whole TN-96 corridor through Franklin needs help, not just the interchange. A Diverging Diamond may work at that interchange, but I am not sure how the adjacent signals would affect its operation. A SPUI would help too, but it would be more expensive.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on December 05, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on December 05, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 05, 2016, 08:05:52 AMQuote from: I-39 on December 03, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
Man do they need to address the TN-96 interchange in Franklin. It is getting awful. Yet, surprisingly, when I contacted TN-DOT about it, they say there is no need to. Really?
That is odd, indeed. The whole TN-96 corridor through Franklin needs help, not just the interchange. A Diverging Diamond may work at that interchange, but I am not sure how the adjacent signals would affect its operation. A SPUI would help too, but it would be more expensive.
It's my understanding that TDOT's "strategy" for that interchange has been to build and improve alternate routes in an effort to just get as much traffic away from it as possible. The widening of Mack Hatcher Bypass from 96 to Cool Springs Blvd., and the McEwen Drive interchange, are perfect examples. Since TDOT has grossly underestimated the growth potential of Franklin, I think it's safe to say this strategy has been a failure.
Anyway, I think nothing short of a SPUI will really help here, as well as an extra travel lane on 96 between 65 and Mack Hatcher.. I think the existing bridge can be modified, though it might be more feasible to completely rebuild it since parts of it are original construction.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on December 05, 2016, 06:00:39 PM
Post by: froggie on December 05, 2016, 06:00:39 PM
DOT's generally get their base traffic model data from the local/regional jurisdictions, so this is just as much Franklin and Williamson County's failure as it is TDOT.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 06, 2016, 08:18:36 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 06, 2016, 08:18:36 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on December 05, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
Anyway, I think nothing short of a SPUI will really help here, as well as an extra travel lane on 96 between 65 and Mack Hatcher.. I think the existing bridge can be modified, though it might be more feasible to completely rebuild it since parts of it are original construction.
The shoulder disappears along I-65 under the TN 96 bridge, so there is one reason for replacing the bridge. Replacing the bridge would be a traffic nightmare, however.
Some signal optimizations (lead/lag) or a SCATS system may help along TN 96 in the short-term. Adding a travel lane and implementing access management along the corridor could be a more long-term solution.
The problem with McEwen Dr is that it isn't exactly easy to get to from the west. Cutting McEwen straight across to Mack Hatcher where it turns to the north west of Mallory Ln would probably help in improving access to the interchange from the west.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 07, 2017, 07:20:43 PM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 07, 2017, 07:20:43 PM
I am glad to see TN 840 now designated as I-840. :thumbsup:
Also, I have some fresh pictures (from yesterday) of some mostly completed construction on Tennessee Highway 153's Exit 1A (Airport; Shepherd Rd.) in Chattanooga, which was optimizing the exit, adding traffic signals, and building a newer, wider bridge. Here are the pics:
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/675/32171587425_f12ca21534_c.jpg)
I absolutely love it when these fancy designs (sometimes colored) are engraved in bridges like that.
Also, I have some fresh pictures (from yesterday) of some mostly completed construction on Tennessee Highway 153's Exit 1A (Airport; Shepherd Rd.) in Chattanooga, which was optimizing the exit, adding traffic signals, and building a newer, wider bridge. Here are the pics:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/351/32171587405_e914f1c199_c.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/402/31795021110_d76908a9ce_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/490/31795021130_8da465690e.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/594/31795021160_7034b1ef06.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/450/31795021200_a2715c0377_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/498/32021692812_eacc1fd78c_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/493/32021692842_53d0a7f9b1.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/675/32171587425_f12ca21534_c.jpg)
I absolutely love it when these fancy designs (sometimes colored) are engraved in bridges like that.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on March 02, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
Post by: I-39 on March 02, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
I sincerely hope Tennessee passes Governor Haslam's proposal to raise the gas tax and index it to inflation. It is sorely needed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on April 25, 2017, 10:57:40 AM
Post by: Grzrd on April 25, 2017, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
I sincerely hope Tennessee passes Governor Haslam's proposal to raise the gas tax and index it to inflation. It is sorely needed.
All it takes now is Gov. Haslam's signature. This TV video (http://www.wbir.com/news/local/tennessee-lawmakers-expected-to-give-final-ok-to-gas-tax-bill/433683669) reports that the House conformed its version to the Senate version last night, that it will start being phased in July 1:
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Gov. Bill Haslam's gas tax proposal can now formally head to his desk after House lawmakers on Monday officially gave their final seal of approval to his signature piece of legislation for the year.
After discussing the merits of including property tax relief for eligible veterans and the elderly in the legislation, the lower chamber ultimately agreed to conform with the Senate version of the measure, providing Haslam his biggest legislative win of the year ....
Currently, the state's tax on gasoline is 21.4 cents per gallon. Overall, the plan increases the tax by 6 cents per gallon over the next three years.
Those purchasing gasoline would begin paying an additional 4 cents per gallon on gasoline starting July 1, with additional 1 cent increases in 2018 and 2019.
Diesel taxes are currently 18.4 cents per gallon. Anyone who buys diesel fuel would pay an additional 4 cents per gallon beginning July 1, with 3-cent increases in both 2018 and 2019.
Here is a map of the 962 projects (https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/) which will be funded by the IMPROVE Act, including significant I--69 projects (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.msg2219351#msg2219351).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on April 25, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
Post by: Georgia on April 25, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
good to see Tennessee being reasonable about a portion of the right way to fund highway projects.
Title: Tennessee
Post by: mvak36 on April 25, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
Post by: mvak36 on April 25, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
I wonder if they will start I-69 SIU 7 soon. I've been meaning to email Tdot but I have been swamped at work
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on April 25, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
Post by: lordsutch on April 25, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on April 25, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
I wonder if they will start I-69 SIU 7 soon. I've been meaning to email Tdot but I have been swamped at work
Grade-bridge-drain on one of the 5 sections of SIU 7 is already done (west side of Union City) and another section to the south is under construction. That leaves the 2 sections bypassing Troy further south, and the section tying into US 51/US 45W north of Union City, plus paving (however TDOT decides to divvy that up).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 25, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 25, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: lordsutch on April 25, 2017, 04:36:05 PMQuote from: mvak36 on April 25, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
I wonder if they will start I-69 SIU 7 soon. I've been meaning to email Tdot but I have been swamped at work
Grade-bridge-drain on one of the 5 sections of SIU 7 is already done (west side of Union City) and another section to the south is under construction. That leaves the 2 sections bypassing Troy further south, and the section tying into US 51/US 45W north of Union City, plus paving (however TDOT decides to divvy that up).
Google maps and street view show the construction.
More on the I-69 TN thread.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on April 25, 2017, 06:23:38 PM
Post by: I-39 on April 25, 2017, 06:23:38 PM
Good thing the gas tax increase went through, though I wish they would have kept the indexing to inflation part (tough sell, I get it, but people don't realize that it's necessary to keep funding coming for the upkeep).
Hopefully, they will get the widening of TN-96 going soon.
When will sections of I-69 open to traffic in Western TN?
Hopefully, they will get the widening of TN-96 going soon.
When will sections of I-69 open to traffic in Western TN?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
Post by: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
So I emailed TDOT asking about when they would have a plan out for the IMPROVE Act projects. I haven't heard anything yet, but I did find this article saying they will be announcing a 3 year plan this Wednesday. https://springhillhomepage.com/with-new-gas-tax-on-the-books-tdot-will-announce-3-year-plan/
Here's hoping I-69 is on that plan :sombrero:.
Here's hoping I-69 is on that plan :sombrero:.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on May 01, 2017, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: bigdave on May 01, 2017, 06:29:00 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
So I emailed TDOT asking about when they would have a plan out for the IMPROVE Act projects. I haven't heard anything yet, but I did find this article saying they will be announcing a 3 year plan this Wednesday. https://springhillhomepage.com/with-new-gas-tax-on-the-books-tdot-will-announce-3-year-plan/
Here's hoping I-69 is on that plan :sombrero:.
I'd like them to start by fixing some of what they already have. Some of I-40 east of downtown Knoxville is in outright horrible condition, as is some of I-75 south of Knoxville. The worst parts of that I-40 stretch are the middle lane.
Tennessee used to have well maintained roads. Today, not so much.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 01, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 01, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: bigdave on May 01, 2017, 06:29:00 PMQuote from: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
So I emailed TDOT asking about when they would have a plan out for the IMPROVE Act projects. I haven't heard anything yet, but I did find this article saying they will be announcing a 3 year plan this Wednesday. https://springhillhomepage.com/with-new-gas-tax-on-the-books-tdot-will-announce-3-year-plan/
Here's hoping I-69 is on that plan :sombrero:.
I'd like them to start by fixing some of what they already have. Some of I-40 east of downtown Knoxville is in outright horrible condition, as is some of I-75 south of Knoxville. The worst parts of that I-40 stretch are the middle lane.
Tennessee used to have well maintained roads. Today, not so much.
Also, here's to hoping TN 96 widening between Franklin and Murfreesboro is on the horizon
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on May 01, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on May 01, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: I-39 on May 01, 2017, 06:31:58 PMQuote from: bigdave on May 01, 2017, 06:29:00 PMQuote from: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
So I emailed TDOT asking about when they would have a plan out for the IMPROVE Act projects. I haven't heard anything yet, but I did find this article saying they will be announcing a 3 year plan this Wednesday. https://springhillhomepage.com/with-new-gas-tax-on-the-books-tdot-will-announce-3-year-plan/
Here's hoping I-69 is on that plan :sombrero:.
I'd like them to start by fixing some of what they already have. Some of I-40 east of downtown Knoxville is in outright horrible condition, as is some of I-75 south of Knoxville. The worst parts of that I-40 stretch are the middle lane.
Tennessee used to have well maintained roads. Today, not so much.
Also, here's to hoping TN 96 widening between Franklin and Murfreesboro is on the horizon
My best friend back in Nashville, who drives all over the region making deliveries for his work, tells me I-440 around Nashville is nothing but non-stop potholes from end to end. Original concrete dates back to 1986-87, and has been diamond-ground and rehabbed twice. TDOT wants to redo the whole thing in brand new concrete, but this will be no easy feat, nor will it be cheap. I'm thinking this will now be fast-tracked with the tax increase.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
Post by: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on May 01, 2017, 08:09:02 PM440 I do agree with. There are quite a few potholes along the road.Quote from: I-39 on May 01, 2017, 06:31:58 PMQuote from: bigdave on May 01, 2017, 06:29:00 PMQuote from: mvak36 on May 01, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
So I emailed TDOT asking about when they would have a plan out for the IMPROVE Act projects. I haven't heard anything yet, but I did find this article saying they will be announcing a 3 year plan this Wednesday. https://springhillhomepage.com/with-new-gas-tax-on-the-books-tdot-will-announce-3-year-plan/
Here's hoping I-69 is on that plan :sombrero:.
I'd like them to start by fixing some of what they already have. Some of I-40 east of downtown Knoxville is in outright horrible condition, as is some of I-75 south of Knoxville. The worst parts of that I-40 stretch are the middle lane.
Tennessee used to have well maintained roads. Today, not so much.
Also, here's to hoping TN 96 widening between Franklin and Murfreesboro is on the horizon
My best friend back in Nashville, who drives all over the region making deliveries for his work, tells me I-440 around Nashville is nothing but non-stop potholes from end to end. Original concrete dates back to 1986-87, and has been diamond-ground and rehabbed twice. TDOT wants to redo the whole thing in brand new concrete, but this will be no easy feat, nor will it be cheap. I'm thinking this will now be fast-tracked with the tax increase.
Also I was only talking about SIU 7 for I-69. The other sections can wait for later.
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Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 02, 2017, 07:51:59 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 02, 2017, 07:51:59 AM
Widening I-65 between Nashville and the KY State Line and I-24 between I-59 and US 27 are big things I am looking forward to.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 02, 2017, 07:06:07 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 02, 2017, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2017, 07:57:53 PMIndexing was amended out of the bill. That was a non-starter in the House. There were tons of parlor games and parliamentary tricks played to get the bill passed. The original bill in Transportation sub committee was amended to not be a gas tax increase. The bill was amended to the "Hawk" plan. His original plan was use the budget surplus to fund road projects. This was done to get the votes to pass to the full standing committee. Once there is was amended back to the gas tax increase.
I sincerely hope Tennessee passes Governor Haslam's proposal to raise the gas tax and index it to inflation. It is sorely needed.
When the bill made it to the Finance Sub it looked like was going to be amended back to the "Hawk Plan." However, Rep Hawk said that we would have the votes in full Finance to get the gas tax increase off and a "Hawk-Harwell" plan which would use some of the surplus funds plus it would divert sales tax on vehicle sales into the Transportation fund. After much fanfare the amendment that carried this plan was actually withdrawn by Rep. Hawk himself.
When the bill hit the House floor there were 80 amendments, highly unusual for TN. The third and fourth actually made the bill. The remaining were all attempts to amend the bill with some to strip out the gas tax. In the end the other amendments failed.
The companion Senate bill had much smoother sailing as there was wide spread support for the gas tax in the Senate. In TN companion bills on the same subject are introduced and they travel their respective courses in each body. Since the House bill passed first the Senate substituted their bill on the Senate floor but they put an amendment on it which made it different from the House version. They put and elderly and disabled veterans property tax relief section on the bill. It went back to the House and the House accepted the Senate version.
Parlor tricks passed this gas tax. I was highly disappointed with this one. My Senator was one of the few Senators that voted against the bill.
The bill reaches across many subjects which nearly violates the TN Constitution as there is a clause in our Constitution that states that the caption of the bill must pertain to a subject. Since the other subjects related to taxes and the budget this is technically not a violation. The point was made that one tax increase needs a tax decrease in order for the bill to be considered a tax decrease to the "average Tennessean." The food tax was decreased by one point. The Hall tax was decreased by half a point and the F&E tax structure was changed so that high level manufactures are not "over" assessed taxes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 03, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
Post by: froggie on May 03, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
^ What were you disappointed with? The gas tax increase itself, the Constitutional issue you brought up, or the "tricks" used to get it through the House?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mvak36 on May 03, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
Post by: mvak36 on May 03, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 02, 2017, 07:51:59 AM
Widening I-65 between Nashville and the KY State Line and I-24 between I-59 and US 27 are big things I am looking forward to.
After looking at all the proposed projects at https://www.tdot.tn.gov/projectneeds/spot#/ , I have convinced myself that they're going to be announcing mostly backlog projects today. The projects you listed aren't backlog projects, but you never know. Those are pretty good projects too. I can't wait to see what they announce. :coffee:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 03, 2017, 11:51:46 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 03, 2017, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 03, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
^ What were you disappointed with? The gas tax increase itself, the Constitutional issue you brought up, or the "tricks" used to get it through the House?
The passing of the bill at the end of the day is Constitutional. The gas tax increase is insane. More people live in Tennessee so we have more people paying the gas tax. Therefore we are collecting more gas tax.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on May 03, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Post by: hbelkins on May 03, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Tennessee has no income tax. They make up for it by taxing you to death on everything else.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: DeaconG on May 03, 2017, 12:37:52 PM
Post by: DeaconG on May 03, 2017, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 03, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Tennessee has no income tax. They make up for it by taxing you to death on everything else.
Or like Florida, where they fee you to death.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sparker on May 03, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Post by: sparker on May 03, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on May 03, 2017, 12:37:52 PMQuote from: hbelkins on May 03, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Tennessee has no income tax. They make up for it by taxing you to death on everything else.
Or like Florida, where they fee you to death.
Every state that lacks one or another tax component compensates by relatively onerous taxes elsewhere. When I lived in Oregon, there was no sales tax -- but the state income tax was relatively high compared with states with a more comprehensive tax program -- as was the property tax (as I inferred from my landlord's constant complaints in that regard). The lack of sales tax sure attracted WA residents, who regularly hauled their big-ticket items back over the Columbia after saving about 7-8% (back in '93-'97).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 03, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Post by: froggie on May 03, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71More people live in Tennessee so we have more people paying the gas tax. Therefore we are collecting more gas tax.
Despite your assertion, it's very clear that the previous gas tax wasn't keeping up with the demand/need. Furthermore, since Tennessee is a pay-as-you-go state, they don't have many other options available to them. Where would you propose they get the money from?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 04, 2017, 02:41:59 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 04, 2017, 02:41:59 PM
I liked the Hawk/Speaker Harwell plan. I go to the pump each week and get goosed on the tax. with the Hawk/Speaker Harwell plan I would paid taxes on my vehicle purchase.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mvak36 on May 08, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
Post by: mvak36 on May 08, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/2017/05/08/tdot-commissioner-speaks-franktalk/313206001/
Apparently the announcement of the IMPROVE Act project list will be delayed until the state budget is passed. So we will have to wait for a little bit.
Apparently the announcement of the IMPROVE Act project list will be delayed until the state budget is passed. So we will have to wait for a little bit.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Grzrd on May 09, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
Post by: Grzrd on May 09, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
TDOT has posted its FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 12, 2017, 01:46:07 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 12, 2017, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on May 09, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
TDOT has posted its FY 2018-20 Three Year Plan (http://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/tdot/attachments/Three_Year_Transportation_Plan_(FY_18-20).pdf).
Good! They will be start widening TN 96 from Arno Rd to Wilson Pike starting next year (as well as move forward with ROW acquisition for the segment east of there to 840). This is a much needed improvement, TN 96 between Franklin and Triune needs to be widened to a five lane cross section.
Also, I'm glad they are constructing the NW portion of Mack Hatcher Parkway, I just wish it would be built to four lanes instead of two.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 13, 2017, 07:13:34 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 13, 2017, 07:13:34 PM
TDOT is ready for 2 bridges on I-24 in Nashville to be replaced by using Accelerated Bridge Construction (ABC)... price tag: $28.5 million.
Will require I-24 to be shut down for four weekends... similar to I-40 Fast Fix 8 project that happened two years ago...
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfra1jM8sRg
Will require I-24 to be shut down for four weekends... similar to I-40 Fast Fix 8 project that happened two years ago...
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfra1jM8sRg
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on June 13, 2017, 09:23:44 PM
Post by: I-39 on June 13, 2017, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 13, 2017, 07:13:34 PM
TDOT is ready for 2 bridges on I-24 in Nashville to be replaced by using Accelerated Bridge Construction (ABC)... price tag: $28.5 million.
Will require I-24 to be shut down for four weekends... similar to I-40 Fast Fix 8 project that happened two years ago...
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfra1jM8sRg
Great, this will cause delays........
But it does need it badly.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on June 14, 2017, 06:48:16 AM
Post by: froggie on June 14, 2017, 06:48:16 AM
Fewer delays overall than if they tried to do it under traffic.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ukfan758 on July 09, 2017, 01:34:10 PM
Post by: ukfan758 on July 09, 2017, 01:34:10 PM
Probably a crazy proposal but would it be worth connecting 440 to the Briley Parkway on the east side and widening 440 from 65 to 24 to accommodate the extra traffic? I'm not familiar with the area but are there lots of NIMBYs/tree hugger types there?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FaivgU2h.jpg&hash=446b9e186fa226fce8adf1abce5b2ed683b6b259)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FaivgU2h.jpg&hash=446b9e186fa226fce8adf1abce5b2ed683b6b259)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Roadsguy on July 09, 2017, 02:07:13 PM
Post by: Roadsguy on July 09, 2017, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on July 09, 2017, 01:34:10 PM
Probably a crazy proposal but would it be worth connecting 440 to the Briley Parkway on the east side and widening 440 from 65 to 24 to accommodate the extra traffic? I'm not familiar with the area but are there lots of NIMBYs/tree hugger types there?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FaivgU2h.jpg&hash=446b9e186fa226fce8adf1abce5b2ed683b6b259)
Seems way more doable to just upgrade the Briley Pkwy past the airport to I-24.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on July 09, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
Post by: froggie on July 09, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
There was a fight just to get 440 built to begin with. I highly doubt you'd get it widened.
Also, I would think that improving 24 between 440 and 40 would be both less expensive and more likely to happen than any potential extension (or improvement of Briley south of 40). It should be noted that there is already a direct connection from WB 40 to WB 440 that is completely separate from I-24's lanes. It wouldn't take much improvement to make a similar direct connection from EB 440 to EB 40.
Also, I would think that improving 24 between 440 and 40 would be both less expensive and more likely to happen than any potential extension (or improvement of Briley south of 40). It should be noted that there is already a direct connection from WB 40 to WB 440 that is completely separate from I-24's lanes. It wouldn't take much improvement to make a similar direct connection from EB 440 to EB 40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 09, 2017, 05:33:29 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 09, 2017, 05:33:29 PM
That is a decent idea, but it will never happen because of too much disruption. I think it is more realistic, as froggie said, that I-24 will be improved between I-40 and I-440. Something needs to be done. Whenever I go to the Airport, traffic slows down around that area for no reason. It will only get worse as the Nashville Airport continues to grow.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on July 12, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on July 12, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
The particular neighborhood that your 440 extension would plow through is mostly commercial in the Murfreesboro Rd area and apartment complexes closer to Briley Pkwy. Not sure TDOT would want to pay fair market value for those properties. Otherwise, like everyone else has pretty much said, the current setup really isn't that bad, though I think trying to have two dedicated lanes from 440 east to 24 west to 40 east, where you wouldn't have to change lanes at all until you get to 40 east, would be a big relief. Which could mean dropping the right lane on 24 west before the traffic from 440 east merges in from the right, and possibly extending a couple of acceleration lanes from the Murfreesboro Rd on-ramps to the transition from 24 west to 40 east.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on July 12, 2017, 07:09:16 PM
Post by: Georgia on July 12, 2017, 07:09:16 PM
another problem with tying 440, Briley and 40 into that interchange is that the FAA will have a restriction on how high that stack could be.
and the Briley cant be expanded with another lane in each direction south of 40, the median is so small, residential and commercial encroach pretty close to the current ROW that I doubt TDOT has the willingness to eminent domain hundreds of properties.
and the Briley cant be expanded with another lane in each direction south of 40, the median is so small, residential and commercial encroach pretty close to the current ROW that I doubt TDOT has the willingness to eminent domain hundreds of properties.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Henry on July 13, 2017, 09:56:07 AM
Post by: Henry on July 13, 2017, 09:56:07 AM
Quote from: Georgia on July 12, 2017, 07:09:16 PMSo why not just build a turbine there? You can build it much lower than a stack, so clearance will not be an issue there.
another problem with tying 440, Briley and 40 into that interchange is that the FAA will have a restriction on how high that stack could be.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on July 13, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
Post by: froggie on July 13, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
Right-of-way's already a bit tight, which is why the existing 40/Briley interchange appears oval-shaped.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Probably need to focus on re-routing Donelson Pike to accommodate the (much needed) airport expansion before either connecting I-440 to I-40 or widening I-24 between I-440 and I-40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CYoder on August 10, 2017, 02:00:55 PM
Post by: CYoder on August 10, 2017, 02:00:55 PM
Took a drive to Johnson City today and noticed that speed limits have been changed on I-26 from exit 10 (Eastern Star Rd, just south of I-81) to south of exit 24 (US-321). Originally the stretch north of exit 17 was generally 70 mph, and south of there 55 mph. Now the northern stretch is split 65/55 truck, and the southern stretch split 60/55.
Found two articles online about the change:
New speed limit signs installed on I-26 (http://wjhl.com/2017/07/31/new-speed-limit-signs-installed-on-i-26/)
Speed limit changes on I-26 will impact Sullivan, Washington, Carter Co. drivers (http://wjhl.com/2017/07/28/speed-limit-changes-on-i-26-will-impact-sullivan-washington-carter-co-drivers/)
Apparently the 70 mph zone in Carter County has also been reduced to 65/55 truck, so there is no longer any 70 mph stretch along I-26 in Tennessee, and the truck speed limit is fixed at 55 mph the entire way.
Found two articles online about the change:
New speed limit signs installed on I-26 (http://wjhl.com/2017/07/31/new-speed-limit-signs-installed-on-i-26/)
Speed limit changes on I-26 will impact Sullivan, Washington, Carter Co. drivers (http://wjhl.com/2017/07/28/speed-limit-changes-on-i-26-will-impact-sullivan-washington-carter-co-drivers/)
Apparently the 70 mph zone in Carter County has also been reduced to 65/55 truck, so there is no longer any 70 mph stretch along I-26 in Tennessee, and the truck speed limit is fixed at 55 mph the entire way.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
TDOT has a project letting this month to widen a portion of I-40 through Jackson, TN to six lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on August 11, 2017, 10:44:50 AM
Post by: bigdave on August 11, 2017, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: CYoder on August 10, 2017, 02:00:55 PMApparently the 70 mph zone in Carter County has also been reduced to 65/55 truck, so there is no longer any 70 mph stretch along I-26 in Tennessee, and the truck speed limit is fixed at 55 mph the entire way.
I don't know why TN bothers with the reduced truck speed limits as the trucks pay no attention.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on August 12, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
Post by: Brooks on August 12, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
TDOT has a project letting this month to widen a portion of I-40 through Jackson, TN to six lanes.
Where can I find the info for what TDOT's 3-year plan projects consist of? Their website is very vague about it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2017, 10:36:01 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2017, 10:36:01 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PMWhat a waste of money. Figures that the gas tax increase would be money not well spent. I did notice an increase in gas prices but have yet to notice the decrease at the grocery store.
TDOT has a project letting this month to widen a portion of I-40 through Jackson, TN to six lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 14, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 14, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: Brooks on August 12, 2017, 09:03:02 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
TDOT has a project letting this month to widen a portion of I-40 through Jackson, TN to six lanes.
Where can I find the info for what TDOT's 3-year plan projects consist of? Their website is very vague about it.
I haven't seen anything more concrete other than just generally describing the projects.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on August 14, 2017, 11:46:32 AM
Post by: froggie on August 14, 2017, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71What a waste of money.
And why is that?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on August 15, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: lordsutch on August 15, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2017, 10:36:01 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PMWhat a waste of money.
TDOT has a project letting this month to widen a portion of I-40 through Jackson, TN to six lanes.
On the contrary, I-40 through Jackson has been one of the major choke points on the route across the state for years, particularly the section between US 412 west and "mainline" US 45. With the amount of hop-on/hop-off traffic, it probably could do with either C/D lanes or C/D roads as well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: lordsutch on August 15, 2017, 01:32:18 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2017, 10:36:01 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on August 10, 2017, 02:03:53 PMWhat a waste of money.
TDOT has a project letting this month to widen a portion of I-40 through Jackson, TN to six lanes.
On the contrary, I-40 through Jackson has been one of the major choke points on the route across the state for years, particularly the section between US 412 west and "mainline" US 45. With the amount of hop-on/hop-off traffic, it probably could do with either C/D lanes or C/D roads as well.
The plans show for six through lanes and an auxiliary lane in either direction between US 412 and Bypass US 45. The BYP 45 interchange will remove the loop ramps from US 45 Bypass to I-40 West and I-40 East. The next interchange with US 45 Business will be converted to a SPUI.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Gnutella on October 11, 2017, 07:22:58 AM
Post by: Gnutella on October 11, 2017, 07:22:58 AM
What's up with Tennessee using a bunch of dinky exit signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7237687,-86.3224678,3a,37.5y,120.29h,86.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIpeGFDNBvvQ8FGrl2ki9Qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) now? There's a bunch of them on I-24 (south)east of Nashville, and a few on I-65 north of Nashville. What the FOCK? :confused:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on October 11, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 11, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
The most likely explanation is that Tennessee contracts out its panel sign installations, and the old exit gore signs got knocked down and TDOT put up something to replace the knocked-down sign until a permanent replacement can be installed. Kentucky does this.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on November 13, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 13, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Is the part of US 51 between the east end of I-155 to Troy that is shown as freeway on the maps up to standards for it to be signed as I-69 once the Troy bypass is completed?
From the looks at it, when the Troy bypass is completed, even with KY not officially designating the Purchase Parkway, you still have a complete freeway then from I-24 to Memphis using I-155 and I-55 through Arkansas even if TN never upgrades US 51 the rest of the way south into Memphis. Having though that part of US 51 signed as I-69 would still only be icing on the cake, but it would be more encouragement for the interstate's presence even though AR and LA won't likely have their I-69 completed until 2030 being I-49 is top priority and this is not that important.
From the looks at it, when the Troy bypass is completed, even with KY not officially designating the Purchase Parkway, you still have a complete freeway then from I-24 to Memphis using I-155 and I-55 through Arkansas even if TN never upgrades US 51 the rest of the way south into Memphis. Having though that part of US 51 signed as I-69 would still only be icing on the cake, but it would be more encouragement for the interstate's presence even though AR and LA won't likely have their I-69 completed until 2030 being I-49 is top priority and this is not that important.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sparker on November 13, 2017, 06:03:08 PM
Post by: sparker on November 13, 2017, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 13, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Is the part of US 51 between the east end of I-155 to Troy that is shown as freeway on the maps up to standards for it to be signed as I-69 once the Troy bypass is completed?
From the looks at it, when the Troy bypass is completed, even with KY not officially designating the Purchase Parkway, you still have a complete freeway then from I-24 to Memphis using I-155 and I-55 through Arkansas even if TN never upgrades US 51 the rest of the way south into Memphis. Having though that part of US 51 signed as I-69 would still only be icing on the cake, but it would be more encouragement for the interstate's presence even though AR and LA won't likely have their I-69 completed until 2030 being I-49 is top priority and this is not that important.
There is still a diamond interchange with a single NB 51 loop at Fulton; the W side of the diamond crosses US 51 at grade -- so it isn't a full freeway as of yet -- at least until the planned I-69 upgrade takes place. It'll be several years before all the upgrades north of Dyersburg are completed and opened.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on November 13, 2017, 10:03:05 PM
Post by: hbelkins on November 13, 2017, 10:03:05 PM
I can't remember if the ramp you have to take to stay on US 51 southbound after crossing the state line has a stop condition or not.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on November 14, 2017, 02:26:05 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on November 14, 2017, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 13, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Is the part of US 51 between the east end of I-155 to Troy that is shown as freeway on the maps up to standards for it to be signed as I-69 once the Troy bypass is completed?
Yes it is. When travelling I-155 east as it ends at the US 412 interchange at Dyersburg, there is no noticeable change in quality of the roadway as it continues on as US 51 north. They were both built around the same time period (mid-late 70's).
TN 22 from Union City to Martin also meets interstate standards, but needs a proper interchange with the new I-69 for it to qualify to one day be an I-169 or I-369. I don't believe one is planned at this time.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
So once the Troy and Union City Bypasses get completed they could sign it officially as I-69 as it would be connected to the system, though I-69 could really have orphaned portions as FHWA rules are null and void due to it being an act of congress like I-99 is instead of AASHTO numbering.
I feel it should be signed that way and I'm quite comfortable letting I-155 become I-69 and TN leaving US 51 alone south of Dyersburg. I-69 should concur with I-55 to where it splits in MS which would save TN and us US Taxpayers lots of money of not building new freeways and use what we got instead.
I feel it should be signed that way and I'm quite comfortable letting I-155 become I-69 and TN leaving US 51 alone south of Dyersburg. I-69 should concur with I-55 to where it splits in MS which would save TN and us US Taxpayers lots of money of not building new freeways and use what we got instead.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on November 16, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
Post by: froggie on November 16, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: roadman65though I-69 could really have orphaned portions as FHWA rules are null and void due to it being an act of congress like I-99 is instead of AASHTO numbering.
Not true. Though the future Interstate is coded into law per Congress, FHWA still has jurisdiction over when and how those segments are formally added to the Interstate system.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2017, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2017, 03:13:00 PM
Like they did with I-2 in South Texas where it is truly an orphan cause its signed into law.
Technically any state agency can sign whatever they want as AASHTO, the FHWA or whomever cannot throw a state into jail for breaking a rule like that.
MD chooses not to sign I-595, and they are not in handcuffs.
FL and NY are not in trouble for signing three E-W even numbered US routes as N-S.
Sorry I do not know why I typed in interstates as that got by me until I scrolled down on the posted comment later. I was referring to US routes 4, 62, and 98 as the three routes going against AASHTO in what they technically want.
Technically any state agency can sign whatever they want as AASHTO, the FHWA or whomever cannot throw a state into jail for breaking a rule like that.
MD chooses not to sign I-595, and they are not in handcuffs.
FL and NY are not in trouble for signing three E-W even numbered US routes as N-S.
Sorry I do not know why I typed in interstates as that got by me until I scrolled down on the posted comment later. I was referring to US routes 4, 62, and 98 as the three routes going against AASHTO in what they technically want.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mvak36 on November 16, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Post by: mvak36 on November 16, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Update from last week on IMPROVE Act projects: http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/11/08/tdot-offers-improve-act-updates-latest-budget-hearing/845600001/
Info regarding the I-24/I-75 interchange project: http://newschannel9.com/news/local/transportation-commissioner-i-24i-75-split-considered-worst-intersection-in-state
440 project: http://www.newschannel5.com/news/changes-coming-to-i-440-in-nashville
QuoteTennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer said Wednesday the IMPROVE Act gas tax increase is already generating strong revenues for state construction projects since going into effect July 1.
Schroer and staff gave an update on the Haslam-sponsored law at the department's budget hearing at the Capitol Wednesday.
Schroer said the department has started work on 288 of 962 projects named in the governor's transportation plan, including 32 interstate projects, 105 state route projects, 65 highway bridge projects and 84 locally-owned bridge projects.
But perhaps the biggest development from the act thus far is a record-setting bid-letting scheduled for Dec. 8, where the department will take bids on $324 million in projects-the largest in the department's history.
With about eight bid lettings a year, plus a mowing letting and a design build contract, the department will take bids on a little over a $1 billion in contracts this year.
"This just shows the impact of the IMPROVE Act," Schroer said. "This letting is because of the IMPROVE Act. There's work being done to Interstate 440, Lamar Avenue in Memphis, Interstate 24 and Interstate 75. People are going to be tired of seeing the orange cones."
Info regarding the I-24/I-75 interchange project: http://newschannel9.com/news/local/transportation-commissioner-i-24i-75-split-considered-worst-intersection-in-state
440 project: http://www.newschannel5.com/news/changes-coming-to-i-440-in-nashville
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on November 17, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
Post by: froggie on November 17, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65Like they did with I-2 in South Texas where it is truly an orphan cause its signed into law.
I-2 is not an orphan...it connects to I-69E, and clearly FHWA felt that adding I-69E into Brownsville into the system was justifiable.
QuoteTechnically any state agency can sign whatever they want as AASHTO, the FHWA or whomever cannot throw a state into jail for breaking a rule like that.
This claim may hold true with AASHTO (and there's a notable example in Oklahoma, IIRC), but not with FHWA. State's can't go willy-nilly on the Interstate system without FHWA approval. And FHWA can and does withhold Federal highway funding from states that "break the rules".
QuoteFL and NY are not in trouble for signing three E-W even numbered US routes as N-S.
Why would they? There's nothing in AASHTO policy that specifically states that even numbered US routes must be signed as east-west.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 17, 2017, 01:22:41 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 17, 2017, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 16, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Update from last week on IMPROVE Act projects: http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/11/08/tdot-offers-improve-act-updates-latest-budget-hearing/845600001/QuoteTennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer said Wednesday the IMPROVE Act gas tax increase is already generating strong revenues for state construction projects since going into effect July 1.
Schroer and staff gave an update on the Haslam-sponsored law at the department's budget hearing at the Capitol Wednesday.
Schroer said the department has started work on 288 of 962 projects named in the governor's transportation plan, including 32 interstate projects, 105 state route projects, 65 highway bridge projects and 84 locally-owned bridge projects.
But perhaps the biggest development from the act thus far is a record-setting bid-letting scheduled for Dec. 8, where the department will take bids on $324 million in projects-the largest in the department's history.
With about eight bid lettings a year, plus a mowing letting and a design build contract, the department will take bids on a little over a $1 billion in contracts this year.
"This just shows the impact of the IMPROVE Act," Schroer said. "This letting is because of the IMPROVE Act. There's work being done to Interstate 440, Lamar Avenue in Memphis, Interstate 24 and Interstate 75. People are going to be tired of seeing the orange cones."
Info regarding the I-24/I-75 interchange project: http://newschannel9.com/news/local/transportation-commissioner-i-24i-75-split-considered-worst-intersection-in-state
440 project: http://www.newschannel5.com/news/changes-coming-to-i-440-in-nashville
Schroer is the henchman behind the gas tax increase. He insisted that TDOT couldn't let out any more new projects without the increase. He lied to the legislature and said that TN would not have money to even maintain current roadways.
I hope the next governor lets him go.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Rothman on November 17, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Post by: Rothman on November 17, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on November 17, 2017, 01:22:41 PMWonder if he meant that conditions would continue to decline with the former funding levels. That was the case up here in NY. where the backlog to maintain conditions is staggering. Also, NYSDOT has restricted itself to "preservation only" projects, with few exceptions. So, it would be accurate that a DOT under funding constraints could not let projects for new construction.Quote from: mvak36 on November 16, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Update from last week on IMPROVE Act projects: http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/11/08/tdot-offers-improve-act-updates-latest-budget-hearing/845600001/QuoteTennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer said Wednesday the IMPROVE Act gas tax increase is already generating strong revenues for state construction projects since going into effect July 1.
Schroer and staff gave an update on the Haslam-sponsored law at the department's budget hearing at the Capitol Wednesday.
Schroer said the department has started work on 288 of 962 projects named in the governor's transportation plan, including 32 interstate projects, 105 state route projects, 65 highway bridge projects and 84 locally-owned bridge projects.
But perhaps the biggest development from the act thus far is a record-setting bid-letting scheduled for Dec. 8, where the department will take bids on $324 million in projects-the largest in the department's history.
With about eight bid lettings a year, plus a mowing letting and a design build contract, the department will take bids on a little over a $1 billion in contracts this year.
"This just shows the impact of the IMPROVE Act," Schroer said. "This letting is because of the IMPROVE Act. There's work being done to Interstate 440, Lamar Avenue in Memphis, Interstate 24 and Interstate 75. People are going to be tired of seeing the orange cones."
Info regarding the I-24/I-75 interchange project: http://newschannel9.com/news/local/transportation-commissioner-i-24i-75-split-considered-worst-intersection-in-state
440 project: http://www.newschannel5.com/news/changes-coming-to-i-440-in-nashville
Schroer is the henchman behind the gas tax increase. He insisted that TDOT couldn't let out any more new projects without the increase. He lied to the legislature and said that TN would not have money to even maintain current roadways.
I hope the next governor lets him go.
I suppose I wonder if he exaggerated as described, or meant something more reasonable given our parallel experience up here.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on December 15, 2017, 11:29:16 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on December 15, 2017, 11:29:16 PM
New TN 96 bridge over US 41/70S in Murfreesboro opens Saturday! Desperately needed relief for one of the busiest intersections in the state.
http://www.wsmv.com/story/37079711/bridge-over-broad-in-murfreesboro-to-open-saturday
http://www.wsmv.com/story/37079711/bridge-over-broad-in-murfreesboro-to-open-saturday
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 16, 2017, 01:11:08 AM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 16, 2017, 01:11:08 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 16, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
Update from last week on IMPROVE Act projects: http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/11/08/tdot-offers-improve-act-updates-latest-budget-hearing/845600001/QuoteTennessee Department of Transportation Commissioner John Schroer said Wednesday the IMPROVE Act gas tax increase is already generating strong revenues for state construction projects since going into effect July 1.
Schroer and staff gave an update on the Haslam-sponsored law at the department's budget hearing at the Capitol Wednesday.
Schroer said the department has started work on 288 of 962 projects named in the governor's transportation plan, including 32 interstate projects, 105 state route projects, 65 highway bridge projects and 84 locally-owned bridge projects.
But perhaps the biggest development from the act thus far is a record-setting bid-letting scheduled for Dec. 8, where the department will take bids on $324 million in projects-the largest in the department's history.
With about eight bid lettings a year, plus a mowing letting and a design build contract, the department will take bids on a little over a $1 billion in contracts this year.
"This just shows the impact of the IMPROVE Act," Schroer said. "This letting is because of the IMPROVE Act. There's work being done to Interstate 440, Lamar Avenue in Memphis, Interstate 24 and Interstate 75. People are going to be tired of seeing the orange cones."
Info regarding the I-24/I-75 interchange project: http://newschannel9.com/news/local/transportation-commissioner-i-24i-75-split-considered-worst-intersection-in-state
440 project: http://www.newschannel5.com/news/changes-coming-to-i-440-in-nashville
Wow!!! I am incredibly excited for this stuff! :nod: :hyper: :thumbsup: :clap: :spin:
I actually was never really expecting to hear that they were going to do major construction on the I-75/I-24 interchange. For some reason, I don't think I actually realized how dangerous and in need of repair it was. I have pondered, many times, the quick-decision and lane configuration problem on I-75 Northbound in preparation of the interchange, but I never knew it was severe enough to justify an interchange overhaul. As for the tight curve on I-75 through the interchange, I had, especially as a young kid, always found it to be fun to drive on, and I highly enjoyed it. Though in more recent times, thinking objectively, I have slightly questioned its safety, but as with the first thing, I never knew that it was something that meant the interchange was in need of major repair. I can tell you that there are definitely some severe traffic issues on both I-75 and I-24 near this interchange. This is one reason why I have proposed (I think I am the first one to do so, IIRC) an Interstate 875 eastern bypass of Chattanooga, to facilitate travel for through I-75 travelers, and to ease traffic problems on some of the highways in the city (mainly I-75).
The Interstate 440 Project also sounds very intriguing to me. I have been on I-440 one time (going Westbound) on my Mission Trip to Arlington (DFW), Texas in July 2015. I remember the concrete being in absolutely terrible shape, indeed, and it was a bit of a rough ride for sure. I am very glad to see that this is going to be fixed up. I think Interstate 440 will look and feel a lot nicer and safer when the work is all done.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 18, 2017, 07:46:14 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 18, 2017, 07:46:14 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on December 16, 2017, 01:11:08 AM
This is one reason why I have proposed (I think I am the first one to do so, IIRC) an Interstate 875 eastern bypass of Chattanooga, to facilitate travel for through I-75 travelers, and to ease traffic problems on some of the highways in the city (mainly I-75).
I want to say that there is a long range plan for such a bypass to the east. Now if there was a push for a southern bypass (which would probably involve a very expensive tunnel under Lookout Mountain).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: seicer on December 18, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
Post by: seicer on December 18, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
Didn't a long range north bypass get finally axed?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on December 18, 2017, 11:05:56 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on December 18, 2017, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: seicer on December 18, 2017, 07:51:11 AMI haven't heard of any plans for the bypass at all. I hope they do ax the plans.
Didn't a long range north bypass get finally axed?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on December 18, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on December 18, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be an I-475 bypass of Knoxville on the books, or has that been axed?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 18, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 18, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on December 18, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be an I-475 bypass of Knoxville on the books, or has that been axed?
That has been axed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
I thought I remember the dead Knoxville bypass as a realignment of I-75. It would have been a cut-off between the western 40/75 split and the existing I-75 north of K-ville. The old route not currently duplexed with another interstate would be an extension of I-275.
Been so long though, I could be conflating someone's fictional musings with the actual proposal.
Either way, it would be highly unfeasible to do something like that today; too much sprawl in the way.
Been so long though, I could be conflating someone's fictional musings with the actual proposal.
Either way, it would be highly unfeasible to do something like that today; too much sprawl in the way.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on December 18, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
Post by: froggie on December 18, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
It got as far as a Draft EIS, which refers to 475 as the proposed route number. Presumably, if built, it would have been added as an Interstate.
It's not just "sprawl", though, or the environmental impacts, that killed it. It had a very expensive price tag, and Tennessee is still a pay-as-you-go state (they do not allow bonds or tolls), so cost was a large part of why it was dropped.
It's not just "sprawl", though, or the environmental impacts, that killed it. It had a very expensive price tag, and Tennessee is still a pay-as-you-go state (they do not allow bonds or tolls), so cost was a large part of why it was dropped.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 21, 2017, 12:41:29 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 21, 2017, 12:41:29 PM
Well, TDOT is doing a project on Interstate 240 on the east side of Memphis that will use Accelerated Bridge Construction... Doubled as "MemFix4" where they are going to replace or repair 4 bridges that go underneath Park Avenue, Norfolk Southern RR, and Popular Avenue...
Can't wait!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
YouTube Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8K8sCPo0zk&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=6wxXQz_ISkqF-fN2-6
Can't wait!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
YouTube Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8K8sCPo0zk&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=6wxXQz_ISkqF-fN2-6
Title: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on December 21, 2017, 08:48:49 PM
Post by: Brooks on December 21, 2017, 08:48:49 PM
I am so ready for this! I've been seeing the letting info for this on TDOT's website for some time now, but this is the first thing I've seen about it actually getting under way. I travel through the Poplar corridor every day so I will be glad to see this completed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Jdsizzleslice on December 22, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Post by: Jdsizzleslice on December 22, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Ok, so I have a bit of a dumb question. On I-40 near Knoxville, it merges with I-75; however, the conjoined interstates are just called I-40. Is this because their mile markers do not start at the same mile? I am a bit curious, because I-20 and I-59 conjoin in Alabama, but while they are conjoined, the interstate is referred to as I-20-59. Why is the interstate in Knoxville just called I-40 instead of I-40-75?
Asking for a friend. :)
Asking for a friend. :)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 22, 2017, 09:33:18 PM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 22, 2017, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 18, 2017, 07:46:14 AMQuote from: adventurernumber1 on December 16, 2017, 01:11:08 AM
This is one reason why I have proposed (I think I am the first one to do so, IIRC) an Interstate 875 eastern bypass of Chattanooga, to facilitate travel for through I-75 travelers, and to ease traffic problems on some of the highways in the city (mainly I-75).
I want to say that there is a long range plan for such a bypass to the east. Now if there was a push for a southern bypass (which would probably involve a very expensive tunnel under Lookout Mountain).
That is very fascinating; I don't know how I did not know that. An eastern bypass of Chattanooga (I-875) is what would be the most plausible. I don't know that a northern bypass is necessary at all, and while a southern bypass would be quite useful if possible (with the large amounts of traffic that Interstate 24 carries), it is not plausible at all due to the huge geographical barrier of Lookout Mountain (which is a wide plateau, not just some thin ridge!). Hopefully an I-875 is being heavily considered, and I am obviously a huge proponent of it!! :D
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
I thought I remember the dead Knoxville bypass as a realignment of I-75. It would have been a cut-off between the western 40/75 split and the existing I-75 north of K-ville. The old route not currently duplexed with another interstate would be an extension of I-275.
Been so long though, I could be conflating someone's fictional musings with the actual proposal.
Either way, it would be highly unfeasible to do something like that today; too much sprawl in the way.
If only it was more plausible, that sounds like an incredibly interesting and useful idea! :nod:
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 21, 2017, 12:41:29 PM
Well, TDOT is doing a project on Interstate 240 on the east side of Memphis that will use Accelerated Bridge Construction... Doubled as "MemFix4" where they are going to replace or repair 4 bridges that go underneath Park Avenue, Norfolk Southern RR, and Popular Avenue...
Can't wait!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
YouTube Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8K8sCPo0zk&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=6wxXQz_ISkqF-fN2-6
While I am not that awfully close to Memphis, and I do not think I will be able to visit or pass through the area anytime soon, I am still incredibly excited for this! :thumbsup:
That railroad bridge especially looks quite old and in need of repair. It is very good that they are doing this project, and it is an intriguing one for sure. :nod:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: milbfan on January 12, 2018, 10:26:13 PM
Post by: milbfan on January 12, 2018, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: Jdsizzleslice on December 22, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Ok, so I have a bit of a dumb question. On I-40 near Knoxville, it merges with I-75; however, the conjoined interstates are just called I-40. Is this because their mile markers do not start at the same mile? I am a bit curious, because I-20 and I-59 conjoin in Alabama, but while they are conjoined, the interstate is referred to as I-20-59. Why is the interstate in Knoxville just called I-40 instead of I-40-75?
Asking for a friend. :)
Knoxville folks are weird. j/k
I guess it depends on who you ask. I-40 does go straight through downtown Knoxville, whereas I-75 gets dumped onto 40, then onto 640 (it's almost an afterthought then, too). Could be the mileage aspect in that the combined interstates continue with I-40's mileage.
I tended to think of I-20/59 as just I-20. But my reasoning for that was I was traveling to Dallas on 20, past Meridian.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: OracleUsr on January 13, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
Post by: OracleUsr on January 13, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
Isn't I-275 the original I-75 alignment?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 13, 2018, 12:49:55 AM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 13, 2018, 12:49:55 AM
Quote from: OracleUsr on January 13, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
Isn't I-275 the original I-75 alignment?
I believe that that is in fact true. It seems to me that when the Interstate System first came about, it was just I-75 and I-40 in Knoxville, and they both went through downtown. Soon after Interstate 640 was built later on (as a Knoxville bypass), I-75 was rerouted onto a concurrency with I-640 - when that happened, I believe it is what used to be I-75 that was now designated as I-275. It is very interesting road history indeed. :nod:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 13, 2018, 02:29:50 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 13, 2018, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on January 13, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
Isn't I-275 the original I-75 alignment?
Yes, and I'm old enough to remember.
I've also seen more than a few traffic jams on southbound I-75 because it narrows to a single lane at the ramp to I-640 west. Sometimes it's faster to stay on I-275 to hit I-40 east.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Mapmikey on January 13, 2018, 03:30:59 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on January 13, 2018, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Jdsizzleslice on December 22, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Ok, so I have a bit of a dumb question. On I-40 near Knoxville, it merges with I-75; however, the conjoined interstates are just called I-40. Is this because their mile markers do not start at the same mile? I am a bit curious, because I-20 and I-59 conjoin in Alabama, but while they are conjoined, the interstate is referred to as I-20-59. Why is the interstate in Knoxville just called I-40 instead of I-40-75?
Asking for a friend. :)
Almost certainly due to the length of the overlay. 40-75 is short while 20-59 is quiet lengthy. In the same way 77-81 and 64-81 are usually referred to as 81. I'm guessing 80-90 is probably referred to as 80-90.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hotdogPi on January 13, 2018, 04:46:20 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 13, 2018, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 13, 2018, 03:30:59 PM
I'm guessing 80-90 is probably referred to as 80-90.
No, 80-90 is referred to as the Indiana Toll Road and the Ohio Turnpike.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
The I-40/I-65 overlap in Nashville is simply referred to as I-40. I-65/I-24 overlap is referred to as I-65. The I-24/I-40 overlap as is just know as I-40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on January 18, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on January 18, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
The I-40/I-65 overlap in Nashville is simply referred to as I-40. I-65/I-24 overlap is referred to as I-65. The I-24/I-40 overlap as is just know as I-40.
Since I-24 northwest of Nashville didn't fully open up till the late 70's, I-24 had a de facto beginning at I-40 east of downtown. Therefore I-24 was the last interstate to be multiplexed with the others through the city, and everybody was used to referring to them as simply 40 or 65, so those stuck. Plus none of the three multiplexes is any longer than about 3.5 miles.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 08:48:53 PM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 18, 2018, 04:32:53 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
The I-40/I-65 overlap in Nashville is simply referred to as I-40. I-65/I-24 overlap is referred to as I-65. The I-24/I-40 overlap as is just know as I-40.
Since I-24 northwest of Nashville didn't fully open up till the late 70's, I-24 had a de facto beginning at I-40 east of downtown. Therefore I-24 was the last interstate to be multiplexed with the others through the city, and everybody was used to referring to them as simply 40 or 65, so those stuck. Plus none of the three multiplexes is any longer than about 3.5 miles.
Also, Interstate 40 is probably the most significant and important highway that runs through Nashville, so that may be a reason that most of those concurrencies are just referred to as "I-40" (with two being known as I-40, one being known as I-65, and no multiplexes known as I-24).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: mrcmc888 on February 12, 2018, 03:30:14 AM
Post by: mrcmc888 on February 12, 2018, 03:30:14 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 13, 2018, 03:30:59 PMQuote from: Jdsizzleslice on December 22, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Ok, so I have a bit of a dumb question. On I-40 near Knoxville, it merges with I-75; however, the conjoined interstates are just called I-40. Is this because their mile markers do not start at the same mile? I am a bit curious, because I-20 and I-59 conjoin in Alabama, but while they are conjoined, the interstate is referred to as I-20-59. Why is the interstate in Knoxville just called I-40 instead of I-40-75?
Asking for a friend. :)
Almost certainly due to the length of the overlay. 40-75 is short while 20-59 is quiet lengthy. In the same way 77-81 and 64-81 are usually referred to as 81. I'm guessing 80-90 is probably referred to as 80-90.
Resident of Knoxville here; the combined interstates follow I-40's alignment and use its mileage, hence why I-75 often gets forgotten.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: seicer on February 12, 2018, 09:05:09 AM
Post by: seicer on February 12, 2018, 09:05:09 AM
I-40 east and west of downtown: 153514 and 94610 AADT
I-65 north and south of downtown: 155968 and 191122 and AADT
I-24 northwest and southeast of downtown: 64480 and 168388 AADT
(Counts taken just outside of TN 155 and Interstate 440.)
I would say that none of the interstates are "forgotten" or are less important and significant. Routes are generally called in the order of their age. So in this case, of Interstate 40 predated Interstate 65, then newscasters and forecasters typically referred to the road as "65" much like how highway names are more commonly referred to before route numbers.
I-65 north and south of downtown: 155968 and 191122 and AADT
I-24 northwest and southeast of downtown: 64480 and 168388 AADT
(Counts taken just outside of TN 155 and Interstate 440.)
I would say that none of the interstates are "forgotten" or are less important and significant. Routes are generally called in the order of their age. So in this case, of Interstate 40 predated Interstate 65, then newscasters and forecasters typically referred to the road as "65" much like how highway names are more commonly referred to before route numbers.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on February 12, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
Post by: bigdave on February 12, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
I drove from Kingsport to Huntsville AL yesterday afternoon. The creek that runs by 11-W from Rutledge most of the way to Blaine was way over its banks, and had flooded just about every creek crossing. There was even a spot where it came onto the Northbound lane of 11-W for just a spot.
The rain has washed out all of the numerous pothole patches on I-40 in downtown Knoxville, and on I-75 south of Knoxville. And it has caused some new ones and they are wide and deep so beware!
Presumably TDoT is out today using their bandaid kits. :bigass:
The rain has washed out all of the numerous pothole patches on I-40 in downtown Knoxville, and on I-75 south of Knoxville. And it has caused some new ones and they are wide and deep so beware!
Presumably TDoT is out today using their bandaid kits. :bigass:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 10, 2018, 04:43:30 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 10, 2018, 04:43:30 PM
I don't know if this subject has ever been brought up, but should there be an Alternate I-24 from the northbound I-75 Welcome Center to prevent drivers from zig-zagging through all those lanes of traffic?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on April 10, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on April 10, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
I think the upcoming I-24/75 interchange makeover takes care of the weaving problem with the welcome center.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on April 28, 2018, 11:44:41 PM
Post by: Brooks on April 28, 2018, 11:44:41 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180429/902d6f5e3fe021c13c15a103ced777d1.jpg)
Took this earlier today at the I-40/SR 196 interchange under construction, viewed from the realigned Orr Rd. that was altered to provide room for the 40 east off ramp. These beams have all been placed within the past couple of days. Hopefully TDOT will be able to get the whole thing done by August as anticipated. On a side note, traffic today was awful going both ways on 40 in that area since it's only 4 lanes (for now, don't know when that widening is scheduled for though).
Took this earlier today at the I-40/SR 196 interchange under construction, viewed from the realigned Orr Rd. that was altered to provide room for the 40 east off ramp. These beams have all been placed within the past couple of days. Hopefully TDOT will be able to get the whole thing done by August as anticipated. On a side note, traffic today was awful going both ways on 40 in that area since it's only 4 lanes (for now, don't know when that widening is scheduled for though).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on April 30, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
Post by: bigdave on April 30, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 18, 2018, 04:32:53 PMSince I-24 northwest of Nashville didn't fully open up till the late 70's, I-24 had a de facto beginning at I-40 east of downtown. Therefore I-24 was the last interstate to be multiplexed with the others through the city, and everybody was used to referring to them as simply 40 or 65, so those stuck. Plus none of the three multiplexes is any longer than about 3.5 miles.
(Blowing the dust off of an older post.) I could argue that the current I-65 multiplex was the last one, taking into account that I-65 was rerouted around the west loop in 2000 and the former I-265 was retired. The original I-65 multiplex with I-40 was East of downtown, now it is West of downtown.
David
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2018, 12:13:11 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2018, 12:13:11 PM
Do my eyes deceive me, or is there a right-of-way for a proposed or abandoned frontage road along I-275 at Exit 2 in Knoxville?
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9911723,-83.951231,3a,75y,335.54h,98.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7gi23TN0dWB6NZsqJu_qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9911723,-83.951231,3a,75y,335.54h,98.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7gi23TN0dWB6NZsqJu_qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: freebrickproductions on May 03, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: freebrickproductions on May 03, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2018, 12:13:11 PMLooks like it's due to a creek there.
Do my eyes deceive me, or is there a right-of-way for a proposed or abandoned frontage road along I-275 at Exit 2 in Knoxville?
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9911723,-83.951231,3a,75y,335.54h,98.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7gi23TN0dWB6NZsqJu_qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2018, 10:43:07 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2018, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on May 03, 2018, 02:33:38 PMThat was my other thought.
Looks like it's due to a creek there.
Now to Metro-Chattanooga; Any plans to replace that two-lane mini-tunnel under the railroad line over US 11-41-64-72 at the foot of Lookout Mountain?
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0206445,-85.364,3a,75y,77.51h,94.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9112Gk2gzod5LFVlMSvTVw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on May 30, 2018, 05:33:02 PM
Post by: Brooks on May 30, 2018, 05:33:02 PM
Today I thought I could try to get some pictures of Memfix 4 from the Hilton right next to it. I hadn't thought of the view from there, but it was a great one from the elevators and the adjoining hallway.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/c0b2e1824c9bc51a95d6c7bd158a9b5b.jpg)
This picture includes most of the construction zone, with the ramp from EB 240 to WB Poplar in the foreground. Note the demolished concrete median barrier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/6d4a9373f8b80a9d50f37e6211df49c0.jpg)
This shows the rest of the construction area not visible in the first picture. The bridge is WB Poplar over 240.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/01ddf61e568262da9d893e0e9a43b6b4.jpg)
The two bridges visible in the middle foreground are the Norfolk Southern rail bridge and Park Avenue (with NS being the closer one to my vantage point). You can see some of the support columns going up; however, I'm not sure if they're for the temporary shoofly or the new structure.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/039cc2b790b3a121c71bb1d5ff8a5cb2.jpg)
This shot is a closer look at the second picture's area - the bridges are being prepared for demolition, I am assuming.
Despite claims by TDOT that the closures will start in June, I have yet to hear anything via them or Kiewit regarding the exact dates of these closures. If they want to ensure this ABC process going smoothly, they need to start communicating with the public. This is already one of the busiest spots in Memphis traffic wise without factoring in construction.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/c0b2e1824c9bc51a95d6c7bd158a9b5b.jpg)
This picture includes most of the construction zone, with the ramp from EB 240 to WB Poplar in the foreground. Note the demolished concrete median barrier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/6d4a9373f8b80a9d50f37e6211df49c0.jpg)
This shows the rest of the construction area not visible in the first picture. The bridge is WB Poplar over 240.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/01ddf61e568262da9d893e0e9a43b6b4.jpg)
The two bridges visible in the middle foreground are the Norfolk Southern rail bridge and Park Avenue (with NS being the closer one to my vantage point). You can see some of the support columns going up; however, I'm not sure if they're for the temporary shoofly or the new structure.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180530/039cc2b790b3a121c71bb1d5ff8a5cb2.jpg)
This shot is a closer look at the second picture's area - the bridges are being prepared for demolition, I am assuming.
Despite claims by TDOT that the closures will start in June, I have yet to hear anything via them or Kiewit regarding the exact dates of these closures. If they want to ensure this ABC process going smoothly, they need to start communicating with the public. This is already one of the busiest spots in Memphis traffic wise without factoring in construction.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on May 31, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
Post by: bigdave on May 31, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
Looks like TnDOT has been out raising a few speed limits. The speed limit on I-75 approaching Knoxville from the South no longer drops to 65 for the last 14-16 miles South of the merge with I-40. It stays at 70, and then drops to 65 on I-75N/I-40E after the merge. Going South, it goes back up to 70 mph after the split when you are back on I-75 South.
Nice little adjustment by TnDOT. I just wish they would do something about the truck control lanes in Knoxville and Chattanooga. The existing truck control lanes must date back to the 80s before a lot of the widening was done in both cities. There's not even truck control lanes in Chattanooga going over the mountain next to the VW plant - that's four lanes and I have seen 18 wheelers going up that grade in the left lane. :banghead:
Nice little adjustment by TnDOT. I just wish they would do something about the truck control lanes in Knoxville and Chattanooga. The existing truck control lanes must date back to the 80s before a lot of the widening was done in both cities. There's not even truck control lanes in Chattanooga going over the mountain next to the VW plant - that's four lanes and I have seen 18 wheelers going up that grade in the left lane. :banghead:
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: amroad17 on June 01, 2018, 02:14:46 AM
Post by: amroad17 on June 01, 2018, 02:14:46 AM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on May 03, 2018, 02:33:38 PMI believe there used to be an entrance ramp. TNDOT got rid of the cloverleaf interchanges along I-275 about 12-15 years ago.Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2018, 12:13:11 PMLooks like it's due to a creek there.
Do my eyes deceive me, or is there a right-of-way for a proposed or abandoned frontage road along I-275 at Exit 2 in Knoxville?
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9911723,-83.951231,3a,75y,335.54h,98.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7gi23TN0dWB6NZsqJu_qg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on July 29, 2018, 06:07:04 AM
Post by: Tom958 on July 29, 2018, 06:07:04 AM
Modification of the trumpet interchange of I-24 and Hickory Hollow Boulevard in Nashville into a DDI to extend the latter across the former to serve the site of a new Ikea. The Ikea was canceled (along with several others across the nation) a few months ago, and so was the interchange, but now the interchange is back on the books. The layout of the interchange is quite bizarre: not the DDI itself, but the tunneled half-SPUI connecting to Ikea Boulevard and the partial retention of the existing loop ramp to feed it, even at the cost of an additional bridge. Tennessee is known for providing fairly elaborate extra ramps for shopping centers, but this one's over the top, IMO. https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/interstate-24-hickory-hollow-pkwy-interchange.html
(https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/tdot/projects/region-3/interstate-24-hickory-hollow-pkwy-interchange/jcr%3acontent/content/tn_image.img.png/1524599384824.png)
(https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/tdot/projects/region-3/interstate-24-hickory-hollow-pkwy-interchange/jcr%3acontent/content/tn_image.img.png/1524599384824.png)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bigdave on July 30, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Post by: bigdave on July 30, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on July 29, 2018, 06:07:04 AM
Modification of the trumpet interchange of I-24 and Hickory Hollow Boulevard in Nashville into a DDI to extend the latter across the former to serve the site of a new Ikea. The Ikea was canceled (along with several others across the nation) a few months ago, and so was the interchange, but now the interchange is back on the books. The layout of the interchange is quite bizarre: not the DDI itself, but the tunneled half-SPUI connecting to Ikea Boulevard and the partial retention of the existing loop ramp to feed it, even at the cost of an additional bridge. Tennessee is known for providing fairly elaborate extra ramps for shopping centers, but this one's over the top, IMO. https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/interstate-24-hickory-hollow-pkwy-interchange.html
I love it. TN spends a lot of money on HH Parkway which carries the former name of a half dead mall, and will go ahead and build Ikea Blvd which carries the name of a retailer that bailed before even breaking ground.
The work may be needed, but perhaps some renaming is in order?
David
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 01, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 01, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
"Late Capitalism Blvd"
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on August 12, 2018, 11:05:24 PM
Post by: Tom958 on August 12, 2018, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on August 01, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
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Title: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on August 30, 2018, 02:16:45 PM
Post by: Brooks on August 30, 2018, 02:16:45 PM
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Another picture of the Memfix 4 Project on I-240 in East Memphis. This was taken on 8/18 during the full weekend closure. The bridge being demolished in this picture was the old Poplar Avenue westbound bridge, which has since been replaced along with the old eastbound bridge (left background) as of this past weekend. Note the bridge deck pieces waiting to be lifted into place. The new norfolk southern bridge has also been built; however, the old one has yet to be demolished.
Another picture of the Memfix 4 Project on I-240 in East Memphis. This was taken on 8/18 during the full weekend closure. The bridge being demolished in this picture was the old Poplar Avenue westbound bridge, which has since been replaced along with the old eastbound bridge (left background) as of this past weekend. Note the bridge deck pieces waiting to be lifted into place. The new norfolk southern bridge has also been built; however, the old one has yet to be demolished.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on December 10, 2018, 12:22:23 AM
Post by: Brooks on December 10, 2018, 12:22:23 AM
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New exit on Interstate 40 in Fayette County at SR 196/Hickory Withe Rd. I believe it is signed as exit 29. It is a diamond interchange with enought ROW provided to add loop ramps at any quadrant. It'll now be the first point you can exit in Fayette County and it'll give access to the east side of Arlington, which is growing steadily. Photos taken 12/5/18.
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New exit on Interstate 40 in Fayette County at SR 196/Hickory Withe Rd. I believe it is signed as exit 29. It is a diamond interchange with enought ROW provided to add loop ramps at any quadrant. It'll now be the first point you can exit in Fayette County and it'll give access to the east side of Arlington, which is growing steadily. Photos taken 12/5/18.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on December 10, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
Post by: froggie on December 10, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
^ Oscar posted a photo in another forum that shows it signed as Exit 28.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on October 16, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
Post by: roadman65 on October 16, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
What is the portion of the freeway between I-55 S Bound and I-240 E Bound called through the I-55 and 240 Interchange?
I noticed there is more than a half a mile of neither route number between where 55 exits to go south and where 240 merges to go east.
I noticed there is more than a half a mile of neither route number between where 55 exits to go south and where 240 merges to go east.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 17, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 17, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 16, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
What is the portion of the freeway between I-55 S Bound and I-240 E Bound called through the I-55 and 240 Interchange?
I noticed there is more than a half a mile of neither route number between where 55 exits to go south and where 240 merges to go east.
Technically, the designations continue to the center of the interchange and "teleport" in a 90 degree fashion onto the perpendicular freeway. At least according to TNDOT nomenclature. As far as the signs and the average traveler are concerned, you're on the next interstate once you pass the gore where 55 or 240 exit off themselves.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sparker on October 17, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: sparker on October 17, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 17, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
Technically, the designations continue to the center of the interchange and "teleport" in a 90 degree fashion onto the perpendicular freeway. At least according to TNDOT nomenclature. As far as the signs and the average traveler are concerned, you're on the next interstate once you pass the gore where 55 or 240 exit off themselves.
That's the same delineation used in CA; this is particularly evidenced in the East Los Angeles interchange, where "Route 5" (e.g. I-5) abruptly stops where the ramps from SB 5/WB 10 cross the original Santa Ana Freeway (US 101) alignment underneath; that original alignment SE of that point is "5"; that point indicates the southern terminus of US 101; milepost signage begins there. The ramps to the Santa Monica (westward I-10) freeway are part of "Route 10", while the ramps actually carrying the continuous traffic for I-5 are simply auxiliary ramps of Route 5.
If the same applies to TN, then the actual "shift" point is where the exact median of the N-S facility intersects the same for the E-W freeway, the ramp system notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 18, 2019, 02:40:59 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 18, 2019, 02:40:59 PM
I can illustrate this more precisely for this junction in TN using some shapefiles I have access to:
(https://triplemultiplex.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/55-240.png)
The magenta lines are the official paths of I-55 and I-240 in the "postitive" or "increasing mile-marker" direction.
The blue lines are what TNDOT considers ramps. So you can see how the official route, according to TNDOT, makes that abrupt turn that is not physically possible while the path that traffic actually takes is a separate ramp route.
This is in contrast to the eastern I-40/I-240 junction where, because the mainline of I-40 doesn't exit itself anymore, the ramps following 40 through the interchange are not considered ramps:
(https://triplemultiplex.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/40-240.png)
(The ramps will all appear to start/end short because TNDOT considers the ramp to end at the physical gore. The painted gore and accel/decel zone is considered part of whatever route the ramp is merging onto.)
(https://triplemultiplex.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/55-240.png)
The magenta lines are the official paths of I-55 and I-240 in the "postitive" or "increasing mile-marker" direction.
The blue lines are what TNDOT considers ramps. So you can see how the official route, according to TNDOT, makes that abrupt turn that is not physically possible while the path that traffic actually takes is a separate ramp route.
This is in contrast to the eastern I-40/I-240 junction where, because the mainline of I-40 doesn't exit itself anymore, the ramps following 40 through the interchange are not considered ramps:
(https://triplemultiplex.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/40-240.png)
(The ramps will all appear to start/end short because TNDOT considers the ramp to end at the physical gore. The painted gore and accel/decel zone is considered part of whatever route the ramp is merging onto.)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on December 02, 2019, 11:06:55 PM
Post by: Brian556 on December 02, 2019, 11:06:55 PM
Looking around Murfreesboro, I see that a lot of the route marker assemblies are badly faded:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8368376,-86.3852043,3a,20.8y,11.45h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6YQmFvPDV-4b7k3DbROQHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8368376,-86.3852043,3a,20.8y,11.45h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6YQmFvPDV-4b7k3DbROQHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8416677,-86.3919938,3a,15y,8.8h,90.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.727219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8416677,-86.3919938,3a,15y,8.8h,90.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.727219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8368376,-86.3852043,3a,20.8y,11.45h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6YQmFvPDV-4b7k3DbROQHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8368376,-86.3852043,3a,20.8y,11.45h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6YQmFvPDV-4b7k3DbROQHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8416677,-86.3919938,3a,15y,8.8h,90.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.727219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8416677,-86.3919938,3a,15y,8.8h,90.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DPSCB22r7xzW6YRUy5RfTPw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.727219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on December 04, 2019, 10:26:30 PM
Post by: Brian556 on December 04, 2019, 10:26:30 PM
Found an odd square US 70N shield near Carthage: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2471488,-85.9564501,3a,20.3y,232.01h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sywKPJYLA0qa3U-iex1j8Ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2471488,-85.9564501,3a,20.3y,232.01h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sywKPJYLA0qa3U-iex1j8Ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on December 10, 2019, 08:48:02 PM
Post by: Brian556 on December 10, 2019, 08:48:02 PM
Here's a neat sign: WARNING STATE ROUTE 141 DOES NOT STOP:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1986454,-86.1743577,3a,15y,41.66h,79.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9UTY55CL9P_A4gyJjRg4Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1986454,-86.1743577,3a,15y,41.66h,79.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9UTY55CL9P_A4gyJjRg4Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1986454,-86.1743577,3a,15y,41.66h,79.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9UTY55CL9P_A4gyJjRg4Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1986454,-86.1743577,3a,15y,41.66h,79.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9UTY55CL9P_A4gyJjRg4Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on December 11, 2019, 06:07:26 AM
Post by: Tom958 on December 11, 2019, 06:07:26 AM
The new interchange at I-65 and relocated TN 109 is now open. Google Maps routes travelers along the old route because it's shorter in distance and presumably in time.
https://www.theportlandsun.com/news/new-i--interchange-opens-in-portland/article_7813516e-1b80-11ea-9e97-bf7a1a923944.html
https://www.theportlandsun.com/news/new-i--interchange-opens-in-portland/article_7813516e-1b80-11ea-9e97-bf7a1a923944.html
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: US71 on December 11, 2019, 06:22:02 AM
Post by: US71 on December 11, 2019, 06:22:02 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 10, 2019, 08:48:02 PM
Here's a neat sign: WARNING STATE ROUTE 141 DOES NOT STOP:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1986454,-86.1743577,3a,15y,41.66h,79.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9UTY55CL9P_A4gyJjRg4Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1986454,-86.1743577,3a,15y,41.66h,79.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9UTY55CL9P_A4gyJjRg4Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I've seen similar in Kansas
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 13, 2019, 12:58:05 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 13, 2019, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 11, 2019, 06:07:26 AM
The new interchange at I-65 and relocated TN 109 is now open. Google Maps routes travelers along the old route because it's shorter in distance and presumably in time.
https://www.theportlandsun.com/news/new-i--interchange-opens-in-portland/article_7813516e-1b80-11ea-9e97-bf7a1a923944.html
'Bout time! That seemed to take forever.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on January 02, 2020, 07:27:01 PM
Post by: I-39 on January 02, 2020, 07:27:01 PM
With the I-65/Buckner Road interchange set to be built within the next few years, this made me wonder if TDOT will expedite plans to widen I-65 from I-840 to Saturn Parkway.
While there are long range plans to do so, there are no immediate plans as of right now, which is honestly surprising. Traffic is already horrendous along this stretch and will only get worse if they build that mixed used development off the future I-65/Buckner Road interchange. It would essentially create a mini Cool Springs on the north side of Spring Hill.
I'm thinking the eight lane section of I-65 north of I-840 ought to be extended to Saturn Parkway.
While there are long range plans to do so, there are no immediate plans as of right now, which is honestly surprising. Traffic is already horrendous along this stretch and will only get worse if they build that mixed used development off the future I-65/Buckner Road interchange. It would essentially create a mini Cool Springs on the north side of Spring Hill.
I'm thinking the eight lane section of I-65 north of I-840 ought to be extended to Saturn Parkway.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Buck87 on January 03, 2020, 04:38:31 PM
Post by: Buck87 on January 03, 2020, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: bigdave on May 31, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
Looks like TnDOT has been out raising a few speed limits. The speed limit on I-75 approaching Knoxville from the South no longer drops to 65 for the last 14-16 miles South of the merge with I-40. It stays at 70, and then drops to 65 on I-75N/I-40E after the merge. Going South, it goes back up to 70 mph after the split when you are back on I-75 South.
That's great to hear! That 65 section was a really annoying speed limit that made no sense.
On that topic, any news on the way too long 55 mph section of I-75 approaching Knoxville from the north?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Buck87 on January 08, 2020, 06:19:45 PM
Post by: Buck87 on January 08, 2020, 06:19:45 PM
^ the answer to that is no, it still drops to 55 right at the Knox County line despite no real change in the road quality. I set my cruise at 65 and was getting passed by 75% of the traffic.
On the plus side, the 75/640 and 75/40 concurrencies have both been bumped up to 65 from 55.
VS988
On the plus side, the 75/640 and 75/40 concurrencies have both been bumped up to 65 from 55.
VS988
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ftballfan on February 29, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
Post by: ftballfan on February 29, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
I was on TN-111 from Livingston all the way to Chattanooga yesterday on my way to Florida. IMHO, TN-111 should be a US Highway. Also, it would be a game-changer for Chicago/Indy -> Atlanta/Florida traffic if it (or a similar quality branch road) ran to meet I-65 somewhere in central Kentucky (between Cave City and Elizabethtown)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on March 01, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on March 01, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on February 29, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
I was on TN-111 from Livingston all the way to Chattanooga yesterday on my way to Florida. IMHO, TN-111 should be a US Highway. Also, it would be a game-changer for Chicago/Indy -> Atlanta/Florida traffic if it (or a similar quality branch road) ran to meet I-65 somewhere in central Kentucky (between Cave City and Elizabethtown)
Kentucky has had a parkway following the KY 61 corridor south of Elizabethtown on the books for some time. If that had a proper connection to TN 111 in the Cookeville vicinity (not sure if what is currently proposed could be construed as proper), then that would be it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on March 01, 2020, 05:10:07 PM
Post by: hbelkins on March 01, 2020, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on March 01, 2020, 01:52:39 PMQuote from: ftballfan on February 29, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
I was on TN-111 from Livingston all the way to Chattanooga yesterday on my way to Florida. IMHO, TN-111 should be a US Highway. Also, it would be a game-changer for Chicago/Indy -> Atlanta/Florida traffic if it (or a similar quality branch road) ran to meet I-65 somewhere in central Kentucky (between Cave City and Elizabethtown)
Kentucky has had a parkway following the KY 61 corridor south of Elizabethtown on the books for some time. If that had a proper connection to TN 111 in the Cookeville vicinity (not sure if what is currently proposed could be construed as proper), then that would be it.
It's called the Heartland Parkway, but it's not a freeway like all the other parkway-named toll roads. It would be an improved surface route corridor, two lanes with truck lanes on the hills.
Remember, there's an ARC corridor that runs from KY 90 at Burkesville to I-40 in Tennessee that's equivalent to the section of TN 111 north of Livingston. KY 61 from Hodgenville to Columbia is not a great road, but KY 210 from Hodgenville to Campbellsville has been improved. There's an improved corridor that runs all the way from the Bluegrass Parkway to the Cumberland Parkway at Columbia (KY 555 and KY 55). And US 127 is being rebuilt between Jamestown and KY 90 near Albany, including a new Cumberland River crossing. So there are a number of options in Kentucky that make for good routes to the two north-south corridors in Tennessee between the state line and I-40.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on March 01, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on March 01, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 01, 2020, 05:10:07 PMQuote from: wriddle082 on March 01, 2020, 01:52:39 PMQuote from: ftballfan on February 29, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
I was on TN-111 from Livingston all the way to Chattanooga yesterday on my way to Florida. IMHO, TN-111 should be a US Highway. Also, it would be a game-changer for Chicago/Indy -> Atlanta/Florida traffic if it (or a similar quality branch road) ran to meet I-65 somewhere in central Kentucky (between Cave City and Elizabethtown)
Kentucky has had a parkway following the KY 61 corridor south of Elizabethtown on the books for some time. If that had a proper connection to TN 111 in the Cookeville vicinity (not sure if what is currently proposed could be construed as proper), then that would be it.
It's called the Heartland Parkway, but it's not a freeway like all the other parkway-named toll roads. It would be an improved surface route corridor, two lanes with truck lanes on the hills.
Remember, there's an ARC corridor that runs from KY 90 at Burkesville to I-40 in Tennessee that's equivalent to the section of TN 111 north of Livingston. KY 61 from Hodgenville to Columbia is not a great road, but KY 210 from Hodgenville to Campbellsville has been improved. There's an improved corridor that runs all the way from the Bluegrass Parkway to the Cumberland Parkway at Columbia (KY 555 and KY 55). And US 127 is being rebuilt between Jamestown and KY 90 near Albany, including a new Cumberland River crossing. So there are a number of options in Kentucky that make for good routes to the two north-south corridors in Tennessee between the state line and I-40.
That US 127 rebuild can't be cheap with the terrain it is passing through.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on March 01, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
Post by: Tom958 on March 01, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
In case anyone here doesn't know, TN 52 has recently been widened to four lanes from Livingston to Celina. Once it gets to Celina, though, it's not at all obvious whether there's an intent to continue widening on 53 to the northeast or 52 to the northwest. See what I mean? (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5449578,-85.5071177,2768m/data=!3m1!1e3)
If I ever have reason to drive from my house near Atlanta to Louisville or thereabouts, I'll likely take a shortcut via TN 111 and TN 52, but I'll have to wing it from there because Google ain't gonna tell me to take KY 61 or KY 210.
If I ever have reason to drive from my house near Atlanta to Louisville or thereabouts, I'll likely take a shortcut via TN 111 and TN 52, but I'll have to wing it from there because Google ain't gonna tell me to take KY 61 or KY 210.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ftballfan on March 01, 2020, 11:22:43 PM
Post by: ftballfan on March 01, 2020, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 01, 2020, 09:15:59 PMMy route to get from I-65 to TN 52 was KY 70, KY 90, US 68, KY 1519, Cumberland Pkwy, KY 90, KY 839, KY 63, KY 163, and TN 51. KY 839 might be 20' wide if not narrower than that.
In case anyone here doesn't know, TN 52 has recently been widened to four lanes from Livingston to Celina. Once it gets to Celina, though, it's not at all obvious whether there's an intent to continue widening on 53 to the northeast or 52 to the northwest. See what I mean? (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5449578,-85.5071177,2768m/data=!3m1!1e3)
If I ever have reason to drive from my house near Atlanta to Louisville or thereabouts, I'll likely take a shortcut via TN 111 and TN 52, but I'll have to wing it from there because Google ain't gonna tell me to take KY 61 or KY 210.
Street view of KY 839: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9035905,-85.7947838,3a,75y,137.48h,78.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slbBjcUN3ExznouYJKJm4_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on March 03, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Post by: hbelkins on March 03, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 01, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
In case anyone here doesn't know, TN 52 has recently been widened to four lanes from Livingston to Celina. Once it gets to Celina, though, it's not at all obvious whether there's an intent to continue widening on 53 to the northeast or 52 to the northwest. See what I mean? (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5449578,-85.5071177,2768m/data=!3m1!1e3)
If I ever have reason to drive from my house near Atlanta to Louisville or thereabouts, I'll likely take a shortcut via TN 111 and TN 52, but I'll have to wing it from there because Google ain't gonna tell me to take KY 61 or KY 210.
I drove TN 52 from Celina to Lafayette about 14 years ago. It wasn't a bad drive.
KY 163 is being improved from Tompkinsville to KY 90. KY 90 is improved from that area through Glasgow to I-65 at Cave City.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 18, 2020, 08:17:24 PM
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 18, 2020, 08:17:24 PM
Does anybody see this railroad bridge over TN 58 in Chattanooga? (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0132562,-85.3151932,3a,75y,19.02h,90.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9lcuFj5llYjgGuDGZL99Xw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D9lcuFj5llYjgGuDGZL99Xw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D39.23958%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) There's a bike lane along the northbound lane of this street. I see three other potential corridors where this could be placed without interfering with car or truck traffic beneath the bridge.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on April 19, 2020, 05:35:24 AM
Post by: Tom958 on April 19, 2020, 05:35:24 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 18, 2020, 08:17:24 PM
Does anybody see this railroad bridge over TN 58 in Chattanooga? (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0132562,-85.3151932,3a,75y,19.02h,90.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9lcuFj5llYjgGuDGZL99Xw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D9lcuFj5llYjgGuDGZL99Xw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D39.23958%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) There's a bike lane along the northbound lane of this street. I see three other potential corridors where this could be placed without interfering with car or truck traffic beneath the bridge.
That's not a bike lane. That's called a "sharrow," an arrow that denotes a shared lane for bikes and motorized vehicles. It's probably intended to tell cyclists not to use the sidewalk.
Neat bridge.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Team445 on May 16, 2020, 01:20:57 AM
Post by: Team445 on May 16, 2020, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on February 29, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
I was on TN-111 from Livingston all the way to Chattanooga yesterday on my way to Florida. IMHO, TN-111 should be a US Highway. Also, it would be a game-changer for Chicago/Indy -> Atlanta/Florida traffic if it (or a similar quality branch road) ran to meet I-65 somewhere in central Kentucky (between Cave City and Elizabethtown)
It could be a spur of I-40. Maybe I-340?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 16, 2020, 08:11:28 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 16, 2020, 08:11:28 AM
Quote from: Team445 on May 16, 2020, 01:20:57 AM
It could be a spur of I-40. Maybe I-340?
That's if TN DOT have some plans to upgrade the TN-111/I-40 interchange and approaches. https://satellites.pro/USA_map#36.133802,-85.481186,14
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Team445 on May 16, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
Post by: Team445 on May 16, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 16, 2020, 08:11:28 AMQuote from: Team445 on May 16, 2020, 01:20:57 AM
It could be a spur of I-40. Maybe I-340?
That's if TN DOT have some plans to upgrade the TN-111/I-40 interchange and approaches. https://satellites.pro/USA_map#36.133802,-85.481186,14
They also have to deal with a at-grade railroad crossing.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 31, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 31, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Does anyone know when construction will begin on the Donelson Pike relocation by the Nashville airport?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on June 01, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on June 01, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: I-39 on May 31, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Does anyone know when construction will begin on the Donelson Pike relocation by the Nashville airport?
That thing has been proposed for nearly 30 years now. I'll probably be dead by the time it breaks ground.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Mapmikey on June 25, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on June 25, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
Check out an awesome high resolution 1967 color photo of Downtown Chattanooga...this is a short slide presentation and the photo to see is the 2nd one:
https://chattanoogahistory.com/1967.php
In addition to a ton of lovely cutouts, two things of interest jumped out at me:
1. An I-124 shield on the right hand side
2. If you look carefully on both the cutouts and the non-cutout shields, the cardinal directions are *inside* the arrows, even the single direction ones. Tennessee still does a version of this on double-arrow panels but the letters are on the outside of the arrows.
https://chattanoogahistory.com/1967.php
In addition to a ton of lovely cutouts, two things of interest jumped out at me:
1. An I-124 shield on the right hand side
2. If you look carefully on both the cutouts and the non-cutout shields, the cardinal directions are *inside* the arrows, even the single direction ones. Tennessee still does a version of this on double-arrow panels but the letters are on the outside of the arrows.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on June 25, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
Post by: Brian556 on June 25, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 25, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
Check out an awesome high resolution 1967 color photo of Downtown Chattanooga...this is a short slide presentation and the photo to see is the 2nd one:
https://chattanoogahistory.com/1967.php
In addition to a ton of lovely cutouts, two things of interest jumped out at me:
1. An I-124 shield on the right hand side
2. If you look carefully on both the cutouts and the non-cutout shields, the cardinal directions are *inside* the arrows, even the single direction ones. Tennessee still does a version of this on double-arrow panels but the letters are on the outside of the arrows.
Very nice, thanks for posting
Title: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on August 18, 2020, 02:45:02 AM
Post by: Brooks on August 18, 2020, 02:45:02 AM
https://dailymemphian.com/article/12791/tdot-interstate-40-widening-lakeland-wolfchase (https://dailymemphian.com/article/12791/tdot-interstate-40-widening-lakeland-wolfchase)
Apparently Memphis is getting its first diverging diamond interchange at the Interstate 40/US 64 interchange (Exit 18) in the Wolfchase area. This is badly needed as that area has frequent slowdowns and accidents (mainly headed eastbound in the evening). In addition I-40 will be widened from Germantown Pkwy to Collierville-Arlington Road, another rather congested section during rush hour. Despite the 2022 start date, I'm excited for this project but I'm also a bit nervous about how many people might be unfamiliar with how the DDI works.
Apparently Memphis is getting its first diverging diamond interchange at the Interstate 40/US 64 interchange (Exit 18) in the Wolfchase area. This is badly needed as that area has frequent slowdowns and accidents (mainly headed eastbound in the evening). In addition I-40 will be widened from Germantown Pkwy to Collierville-Arlington Road, another rather congested section during rush hour. Despite the 2022 start date, I'm excited for this project but I'm also a bit nervous about how many people might be unfamiliar with how the DDI works.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on September 03, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Post by: I-39 on September 03, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Have they started construction on widening SR 96 from Arno Road to Wilson Pike (SR 252) in Williamson County?
I haven't been that way in a bit the website says it is now under construction with an estimated completion date of June 2024, it previously said it was forecasted to start in Q3 2020.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/state-route-96/timeline.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/state-route-96/timeline.html)
I haven't been that way in a bit the website says it is now under construction with an estimated completion date of June 2024, it previously said it was forecasted to start in Q3 2020.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/state-route-96/timeline.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/state-route-96/timeline.html)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:08:49 PM
Post by: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: Brooks on August 18, 2020, 02:45:02 AM
https://dailymemphian.com/article/12791/tdot-interstate-40-widening-lakeland-wolfchase (https://dailymemphian.com/article/12791/tdot-interstate-40-widening-lakeland-wolfchase)
Apparently Memphis is getting its first diverging diamond interchange at the Interstate 40/US 64 interchange (Exit 18) in the Wolfchase area. This is badly needed as that area has frequent slowdowns and accidents (mainly headed eastbound in the evening). In addition I-40 will be widened from Germantown Pkwy to Collierville-Arlington Road, another rather congested section during rush hour. Despite the 2022 start date, I'm excited for this project but I'm also a bit nervous about how many people might be unfamiliar with how the DDI works.
I wouldn't be too concerned since all the tourists who've used exit 407 to TN-66 have gone through that new interchange surprisingly well. Granted some of them (like me) have DDIs at home, but I'd imagine quite a few people had a brand new experience. It isn't like a DDI is overwhelmingly complicated to drive through, most DDIs I've seen are well signed and easy to follow. It's certainly easier to follow in my experience than an SPUI or a roundabout. The number of people I run into who don't know how to use roundabouts is far greater than the number of people who have issues at Fort Wayne's DDI.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on September 11, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
Post by: I-39 on September 11, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: I-39 on September 03, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Have they started construction on widening SR 96 from Arno Road to Wilson Pike (SR 252) in Williamson County?
I haven't been that way in a bit the website says it is now under construction with an estimated completion date of June 2024, it previously said it was forecasted to start in Q3 2020.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/state-route-96/timeline.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/state-route-96/timeline.html)
UPDATE: I drove by and they are indeed beginning construction on the first phase of this long overdue project. Excellent news!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alex on September 14, 2020, 09:28:05 AM
Post by: Alex on September 14, 2020, 09:28:05 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 10, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
TDOT has the intent to advertise the rebuild of US 27 in Chattanooga between I-24 and the Tennessee River bridge. The plans can be found here (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/Future_Project_Plans.htm) beside "From the I-24/I-124 Interchange to south of the Tennessee River Bridge" section.
Curiously, the plans keep referring to the road as I-124, but none of the signs that are to be installed reflect this.
Thought this project would be done by now, but it is still ongoing. Took US 27/I-124 in both directions on September 6, and paving is still underway, the northbound distributor roadway at W 4th Street is incomplete, and the only signs in place are supplemental ones for points of interest. Furthermore, the overheads on the Olgiati Bridge southbound are unchanged, still displaying the long since decommissioned SR 58 for Exit 1C.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on September 14, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on September 14, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2020, 09:28:05 AMQuote from: codyg1985 on June 10, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
TDOT has the intent to advertise the rebuild of US 27 in Chattanooga between I-24 and the Tennessee River bridge. The plans can be found here (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/construction/Future_Project_Plans.htm) beside "From the I-24/I-124 Interchange to south of the Tennessee River Bridge" section.
Curiously, the plans keep referring to the road as I-124, but none of the signs that are to be installed reflect this.
Thought this project would be done by now, but it is still ongoing. Took US 27/I-124 in both directions on September 6, and paving is still underway, the northbound distributor roadway at W 4th Street is incomplete, and the only signs in place are supplemental ones for points of interest. Furthermore, the overheads on the Olgiati Bridge southbound are unchanged, still displaying the long since decommissioned SR 58 for Exit 1C.
Looks like it won't be finished until sometime this fall, but it looks like they won't even make that deadline. https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2019/dec/23/us-highway-27-improvement-project-through-downtown-chattanooga-delayed/511251/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: UnumProvident101 on September 21, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
Post by: UnumProvident101 on September 21, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
I noticed recently that US 27 north is completed but US 27 south is not done when my dad was driving on Friday night
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Revive 755 on November 22, 2020, 12:49:26 PM
Post by: Revive 755 on November 22, 2020, 12:49:26 PM
Anyone know if there were the plans to continue the TN 319/DuPont Parkway facility east of TN 153? Seems odd a half diamond configuration would have been used if there were not extensions plans. (https://goo.gl/maps/YagfzLfJiwZqBzY19)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on November 22, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Post by: Brian556 on November 22, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 22, 2020, 12:49:26 PM
Anyone know if there were the plans to continue the TN 319/DuPont Parkway facility east of TN 153? Seems odd a half diamond configuration would have been used if there were not extensions plans. (https://goo.gl/maps/YagfzLfJiwZqBzY19)
I dunno, but my suspicion has always been that the TN 319 river crossing was primarily built be be used as a detour route for when TN 153 over the dam was upgraded to four lanes
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: seicer on December 07, 2020, 02:09:39 PM
Post by: seicer on December 07, 2020, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 22, 2020, 12:49:26 PM
Anyone know if there were the plans to continue the TN 319/DuPont Parkway facility east of TN 153? Seems odd a half diamond configuration would have been used if there were not extensions plans. (https://goo.gl/maps/YagfzLfJiwZqBzY19)
The line striping is on point: https://goo.gl/maps/jva6jsPCBgGL46Jn8
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Post by: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on December 27, 2020, 08:00:57 PM
Post by: hbelkins on December 27, 2020, 08:00:57 PM
Heard a report that Tennessee is adding a truck climbing lane to northbound I-75 up Pine Mountain north of Jacksboro heading toward Jellico. Can anyone confirm? If so, it's badly needed. Every time I have ever traveled that route, which has been dozens of times, micropassing trucks have been an issue.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on December 28, 2020, 05:37:25 AM
Post by: Tom958 on December 28, 2020, 05:37:25 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2020, 08:00:57 PM
Heard a report that Tennessee is adding a truck climbing lane to northbound I-75 up Pine Mountain north of Jacksboro heading toward Jellico. Can anyone confirm? If so, it's badly needed. Every time I have ever traveled that route, which has been dozens of times, micropassing trucks have been an issue.
I posted some photos in that private Facebook group a little over a year ago. If there are new passing lanes, they're intermittent. Link (https://www.facebook.com/groups/415425781973147/permalink/1328579113991138/)
I'll be going back that way when the pandemic's over, but not until.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CYoder on May 13, 2021, 03:30:55 PM
Post by: CYoder on May 13, 2021, 03:30:55 PM
The first DDI in the Tri-Cities opened a few months ago along I-26 at Boones Creek Rd. Finally got to drive through it on Monday.
https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/tdot-new-traffic-pattern-now-open-at-boones-creek-interchange/ (https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/tdot-new-traffic-pattern-now-open-at-boones-creek-interchange/)
https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/tdot-new-traffic-pattern-now-open-at-boones-creek-interchange/ (https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/tdot-new-traffic-pattern-now-open-at-boones-creek-interchange/)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 14, 2021, 02:27:46 AM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 14, 2021, 02:27:46 AM
Quote from: CYoder on May 13, 2021, 03:30:55 PM
The first DDI in the Tri-Cities opened a few months ago along I-26 at Boones Creek Rd. Finally got to drive through it on Monday.
https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/tdot-new-traffic-pattern-now-open-at-boones-creek-interchange/ (https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/tdot-new-traffic-pattern-now-open-at-boones-creek-interchange/)
I had no idea they were making it into a DDI. It's been under construction for a while now.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
The ROW is certainly there for it. I don't think it is warranted at this time.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 10:49:42 AM
Post by: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 10:49:42 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AMQuote from: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
The ROW is certainly there for it. I don't think it is warranted at this time.
Yes, it will be needed eventually, but not quite yet. They need to get going on fixing the I-65/Bear Creek Pike interchange first. They keep saying that will get started and yet, nothing is coming of it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 10:54:53 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 10:49:42 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AMQuote from: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
The ROW is certainly there for it. I don't think it is warranted at this time.
Yes, it will be needed eventually, but not quite yet. They need to get going on fixing the I-65/Bear Creek Pike interchange first. They keep saying that will get started and yet, nothing is coming of it.
Now that interchange is poorly designed even for older standards as well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 14, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 14, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
Quote from: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 10:49:42 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AMQuote from: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
The ROW is certainly there for it. I don't think it is warranted at this time.
Yes, it will be needed eventually, but not quite yet. They need to get going on fixing the I-65/Bear Creek Pike interchange first. They keep saying that will get started and yet, nothing is coming of it.
TDOT let that project in the most recent project letting.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 14, 2021, 11:51:08 AMQuote from: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 10:49:42 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AMQuote from: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
The ROW is certainly there for it. I don't think it is warranted at this time.
Yes, it will be needed eventually, but not quite yet. They need to get going on fixing the I-65/Bear Creek Pike interchange first. They keep saying that will get started and yet, nothing is coming of it.
TDOT let that project in the most recent project letting.
Where do you see that?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 16, 2021, 05:57:39 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 16, 2021, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 07:08:44 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on May 14, 2021, 11:51:08 AMQuote from: I-39 on May 14, 2021, 10:49:42 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 14, 2021, 08:43:28 AMQuote from: I-39 on December 16, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Does anyone know if TDOT has plans to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike to five lanes between I-65 and US 31 in Columbia?
The ROW is certainly there for it. I don't think it is warranted at this time.
Yes, it will be needed eventually, but not quite yet. They need to get going on fixing the I-65/Bear Creek Pike interchange first. They keep saying that will get started and yet, nothing is coming of it.
TDOT let that project in the most recent project letting.
Where do you see that?
The bid results are on page 12 of this document
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/construction/2021_bid_lettings/may_7_2021_letting/20210507_ApparentBidResults.pdf
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
Post by: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x29IzUN.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/d0tCpyc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/LsYFmaE.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/7OCqLS9.jpg)
Drove through via I-65 yesterday and I couldn't help but notice just how awful the road surface has gotten so quickly between MM 29-45 and 111 to just south of the KY state line. These are not winter weather potholes, more like complete pavement failure. I also remember going southbound back in March and the road literally had a giant trench where the lane markers should be for several miles because of the pavement falling apart. Weren't these sections only resurfaced a few years ago (north of Nashville was done in 2017-2018 iirc)? Kentucky's section of 65 south of E-town has pavement of the same age or older yet is basically still in pristine condition. Did TDOT choose a horrible asphalt or did they hire Dollar Tree to lay it?
Drove through via I-65 yesterday and I couldn't help but notice just how awful the road surface has gotten so quickly between MM 29-45 and 111 to just south of the KY state line. These are not winter weather potholes, more like complete pavement failure. I also remember going southbound back in March and the road literally had a giant trench where the lane markers should be for several miles because of the pavement falling apart. Weren't these sections only resurfaced a few years ago (north of Nashville was done in 2017-2018 iirc)? Kentucky's section of 65 south of E-town has pavement of the same age or older yet is basically still in pristine condition. Did TDOT choose a horrible asphalt or did they hire Dollar Tree to lay it?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 06:35:04 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 06:35:04 AM
I noticed that too recently. It seems worse than it was even compared to last year. The open graded friction course pavement doesn't hold up well to trucks over time, and I don't believe Kentucky uses that type of pavement.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on May 18, 2021, 08:42:34 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on May 18, 2021, 08:42:34 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 06:35:04 AM
I noticed that too recently. It seems worse than it was even compared to last year. The open graded friction course pavement doesn't hold up well to trucks over time, and I don't believe Kentucky uses that type of pavement.
OGFC pavement is excellent for rainy conditions, as it cuts down on overspray and ponding drastically, but it's lifespan isn't nearly as long as Superpave. I wanna say that Tennessee's main issue with OGFC is the locally-obtainable aggregate base used, which is limestone. Limestone is much softer than granite, which is what they use in the Carolinas and Georgia. In general, the pavements tend to hold up longer wherever granite is the base.
But these pavement issues could also be attributed to the contractor, and I would think that TDOT required the bid-winning contractor to warranty their work for a certain period of time, especially if it's interstate pavement. I wonder what the standard warranty would be on pavement projects like this for most DOTs...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 09:32:10 AM
Post by: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on May 18, 2021, 08:42:34 AMQuote from: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 06:35:04 AM
I noticed that too recently. It seems worse than it was even compared to last year. The open graded friction course pavement doesn't hold up well to trucks over time, and I don't believe Kentucky uses that type of pavement.
OGFC pavement is excellent for rainy conditions, as it cuts down on overspray and ponding drastically, but it's lifespan isn't nearly as long as Superpave. I wanna say that Tennessee's main issue with OGFC is the locally-obtainable aggregate base used, which is limestone. Limestone is much softer than granite, which is what they use in the Carolinas and Georgia. In general, the pavements tend to hold up longer wherever granite is the base.
But these pavement issues could also be attributed to the contractor, and I would think that TDOT required the bid-winning contractor to warranty their work for a certain period of time, especially if it's interstate pavement. I wonder what the standard warranty would be on pavement projects like this for most DOTs...
https://www.wsmv.com/news/stretch-of-i-65-deteriorates-due-to-contractor-errors/article_a647d2c6-443a-11e9-8476-d76ee1cbd261.html (https://www.wsmv.com/news/stretch-of-i-65-deteriorates-due-to-contractor-errors/article_a647d2c6-443a-11e9-8476-d76ee1cbd261.html)
I did a little searching and back in 2019 it looks like they had a similar issue (heck the news video shows a section that looks nearly the same as the second photo I posted). That was contractor error, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case again.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x29IzUN.jpg)
It seems particularly weird to me that the pavement disappeared more under the lane lines. You'd think the paint would offer some measure of protection.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:05:05 PM
Post by: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:05:05 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2021, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x29IzUN.jpg)
It seems particularly weird to me that the pavement disappeared more under the lane lines. You'd think the paint would offer some measure of protection.
Does Tennessee use the recessed snowplowable pavement markers? It's been eons since I have been on I-65 south of the state line.
My boss has had to take his father to Vandy's medical center a couple of times the last few months for cancer treatment. He mentioned to me the other day just how bad a shape I-65 is in once you cross the state line.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:05:05 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2021, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x29IzUN.jpg)
It seems particularly weird to me that the pavement disappeared more under the lane lines. You'd think the paint would offer some measure of protection.
Does Tennessee use the recessed snowplowable pavement markers? It's been eons since I have been on I-65 south of the state line.
My boss has had to take his father to Vandy's medical center a couple of times the last few months for cancer treatment. He mentioned to me the other day just how bad a shape I-65 is in once you cross the state line.
Tennessee places its snowplowable pavement markers on the surface without the use of a depression in the pavement for the marker.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 18, 2021, 03:53:08 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 18, 2021, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 18, 2021, 02:52:19 PMQuote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:05:05 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2021, 01:49:14 PMQuote from: ukfan758 on May 18, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x29IzUN.jpg)
It seems particularly weird to me that the pavement disappeared more under the lane lines. You'd think the paint would offer some measure of protection.
Does Tennessee use the recessed snowplowable pavement markers? It's been eons since I have been on I-65 south of the state line.
My boss has had to take his father to Vandy's medical center a couple of times the last few months for cancer treatment. He mentioned to me the other day just how bad a shape I-65 is in once you cross the state line.
Tennessee places its snowplowable pavement markers on the surface without the use of a depression in the pavement for the marker.
Aren't they suppose to be rebuilding/widening I-65 to six lanes between the state line and Goodlettsville in the coming years?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on May 18, 2021, 07:08:53 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on May 18, 2021, 07:08:53 PM
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Yes, and I think they're gonna start at the state line and take it down as far as TN 25. Not sure what their timeline is for starting on this, though.
Yes, and I think they're gonna start at the state line and take it down as far as TN 25. Not sure what their timeline is for starting on this, though.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on May 19, 2021, 01:07:11 PM
Post by: hbelkins on May 19, 2021, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
I-65 is the most heavily-used trucking highway in Kentucky. Kentucky six-laned the entire route, including segments between E-town and Bowling Green. The segment between BG and Nashville has to be more heavily-traveled than BG and E-town. If I-65 in Kentucky is six lanes, then the route in Tennessee definitely needs to be six lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 20, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 20, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 19, 2021, 01:07:11 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
I-65 is the most heavily-used trucking highway in Kentucky. Kentucky six-laned the entire route, including segments between E-town and Bowling Green. The segment between BG and Nashville has to be more heavily-traveled than BG and E-town. If I-65 in Kentucky is six lanes, then the route in Tennessee definitely needs to be six lanes.
I recall the widening project. I remember at one time you could travel way outside or way inside. Then one time it was almost like a super two in spots. I-65 and I-40 have a large volume of trucks in Tennessee. The four lanes is fine.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ukfan758 on May 20, 2021, 05:38:13 PM
Post by: ukfan758 on May 20, 2021, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 20, 2021, 08:04:46 AMQuote from: hbelkins on May 19, 2021, 01:07:11 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
I-65 is the most heavily-used trucking highway in Kentucky. Kentucky six-laned the entire route, including segments between E-town and Bowling Green. The segment between BG and Nashville has to be more heavily-traveled than BG and E-town. If I-65 in Kentucky is six lanes, then the route in Tennessee definitely needs to be six lanes.
I recall the widening project. I remember at one time you could travel way outside or way inside. Then one time it was almost like a super two in spots. I-65 and I-40 have a large volume of trucks in Tennessee. The four lanes is fine.
Is it really fine though? Because every single day during evening rush hour traffic backs up at the Goodlettsville exits to Old Hickory Blvd because someone at TDOT thought having 65 go from 5 lanes to 2 in less than a mile was an excellent idea. The moment you cross into Tennessee going south you'll be lucky to go 70 compared to smooth sailing at 80-85 through most of Kentucky, all thanks to capacity being reduced and having to sit behind semis passing each other at 55. That section is incredibly dangerous and widening to 3 lanes would mean larger shoulders and would put an end to awful cross-median accidents.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on May 22, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Post by: I-55 on May 22, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on May 20, 2021, 05:38:13 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 20, 2021, 08:04:46 AMQuote from: hbelkins on May 19, 2021, 01:07:11 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
I-65 is the most heavily-used trucking highway in Kentucky. Kentucky six-laned the entire route, including segments between E-town and Bowling Green. The segment between BG and Nashville has to be more heavily-traveled than BG and E-town. If I-65 in Kentucky is six lanes, then the route in Tennessee definitely needs to be six lanes.
I recall the widening project. I remember at one time you could travel way outside or way inside. Then one time it was almost like a super two in spots. I-65 and I-40 have a large volume of trucks in Tennessee. The four lanes is fine.
Is it really fine though? Because every single day during evening rush hour traffic backs up at the Goodlettsville exits to Old Hickory Blvd because someone at TDOT thought having 65 go from 5 lanes to 2 in less than a mile was an excellent idea. The moment you cross into Tennessee going south you'll be lucky to go 70 compared to smooth sailing at 80-85 through most of Kentucky, all thanks to capacity being reduced and having to sit behind semis passing each other at 55. That section is incredibly dangerous and widening to 3 lanes would mean larger shoulders and would put an end to awful cross-median accidents.
The same reason I-65 in Indiana needs widening, except Indiana is actually making progress.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 25, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 25, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on May 20, 2021, 05:38:13 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 20, 2021, 08:04:46 AMQuote from: hbelkins on May 19, 2021, 01:07:11 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
I-65 is the most heavily-used trucking highway in Kentucky. Kentucky six-laned the entire route, including segments between E-town and Bowling Green. The segment between BG and Nashville has to be more heavily-traveled than BG and E-town. If I-65 in Kentucky is six lanes, then the route in Tennessee definitely needs to be six lanes.
I recall the widening project. I remember at one time you could travel way outside or way inside. Then one time it was almost like a super two in spots. I-65 and I-40 have a large volume of trucks in Tennessee. The four lanes is fine.
Is it really fine though? Because every single day during evening rush hour traffic backs up at the Goodlettsville exits to Old Hickory Blvd because someone at TDOT thought having 65 go from 5 lanes to 2 in less than a mile was an excellent idea. The moment you cross into Tennessee going south you'll be lucky to go 70 compared to smooth sailing at 80-85 through most of Kentucky, all thanks to capacity being reduced and having to sit behind semis passing each other at 55. That section is incredibly dangerous and widening to 3 lanes would mean larger shoulders and would put an end to awful cross-median accidents.
Exactly. There is a ton of heavy traffic on I-65 between the Kentucky border and Nashville. I have found it is almost never smooth sailing and it is frankly dangerous in some sections.
It's time TDOT give some serious attention to the I-65 corridor across the state. Not only does it need widening between Goodlettsville and the Kentucky state line, but it will need widening from I-840 to SR 396 once the Buckner/June Lake interchange goes in. And there are a lot of interchanges along the whole corridor that need reconfiguring/expansion.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 25, 2021, 10:39:55 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 25, 2021, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine and TN needs to concentrate on fixing I-65 now anyway. They hosed Tennesseans with a gas tax increase and added an extra $100 for registration on EV vehicles to boot. Now get to work on maintenance.
Hardly. If anything, the gas tax increase didn't go nearly far enough to keep up with what is needed. It should have been 2-3 cents more with it being indexed to inflation. Haslam tried, but the ultra-conservatives wouldn't let him.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on May 25, 2021, 11:40:53 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on May 25, 2021, 11:40:53 PM
^
Eh, can't expect much from someone opposed to any new highway construction, regardless of how bad the traffic / truck volumes / roadway conditions are.
Given Kentucky's expansion to 6 lanes throughout, it's logical they complete I-65 to at least Nashville with 6 lanes.
Eh, can't expect much from someone opposed to any new highway construction, regardless of how bad the traffic / truck volumes / roadway conditions are.
Given Kentucky's expansion to 6 lanes throughout, it's logical they complete I-65 to at least Nashville with 6 lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on May 26, 2021, 03:16:48 AM
Post by: Georgia on May 26, 2021, 03:16:48 AM
The phased in gas tax costs someone who buys 1000 gallons of gas a year all of 60 dollars.
Even someone like me who drives 60,000 miles a year and buys 2000 gallons of gas, 120 bucks.
Even someone like me who drives 60,000 miles a year and buys 2000 gallons of gas, 120 bucks.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 26, 2021, 08:21:53 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 26, 2021, 08:21:53 AM
Quote from: Georgia on May 26, 2021, 03:16:48 AM
The phased in gas tax costs someone who buys 1000 gallons of gas a year all of 60 dollars.
Even someone like me who drives 60,000 miles a year and buys 2000 gallons of gas, 120 bucks.
That is $60 that could have been spent elsewhere by the person earning the money. That person should be best left to how they choose to spend their money. The gas tax is collected by usage. More vehicles are being purchased. More vehicles equals more gas tax collected. It is true that they more fuel efficient, however, one should not be penalized for efficiency.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 26, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
Post by: froggie on May 26, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
Given how much most people use the roads (especially if they buy that much gas...there STILL is a loose correlation between miles traveled and quantity of gas purchased), $60 is a small price to pay to ensure that Tennessee can continue its road construction program. Keep in mind that Tennessee does *NOT* use bonds or debt to fund roadwork.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 26, 2021, 12:47:50 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 26, 2021, 12:47:50 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
Given how much most people use the roads (especially if they buy that much gas...there STILL is a loose correlation between miles traveled and quantity of gas purchased), $60 is a small price to pay to ensure that Tennessee can continue its road construction program. Keep in mind that Tennessee does *NOT* use bonds or debt to fund roadwork.
Hence why a higher, indexed gas tax is needed, but the anti-tax conservatives won't let it happen.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on May 26, 2021, 12:50:16 PM
Post by: I-39 on May 26, 2021, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 26, 2021, 08:21:53 AMQuote from: Georgia on May 26, 2021, 03:16:48 AM
The phased in gas tax costs someone who buys 1000 gallons of gas a year all of 60 dollars.
Even someone like me who drives 60,000 miles a year and buys 2000 gallons of gas, 120 bucks.
That is $60 that could have been spent elsewhere by the person earning the money. That person should be best left to how they choose to spend their money. The gas tax is collected by usage. More vehicles are being purchased. More vehicles equals more gas tax collected. It is true that they more fuel efficient, however, one should not be penalized for efficiency.
Don't want to pay it, don't use the roads. Simple as that. If you use the roads, you need to pay. Even increasing the pool of cars doesn't do much in of itself, the tax needs to go up periodically to keep up with inflation.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 26, 2021, 04:24:53 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 26, 2021, 04:24:53 PM
Quote from: I-39 on May 26, 2021, 12:47:50 PM+Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
Given how much most people use the roads (especially if they buy that much gas...there STILL is a loose correlation between miles traveled and quantity of gas purchased), $60 is a small price to pay to ensure that Tennessee can continue its road construction program. Keep in mind that Tennessee does *NOT* use bonds or debt to fund roadwork.
Hence why a higher, indexed gas tax is needed, but the anti-tax conservatives won't let it happen.
The gas tax was increased during a Republican supermajority. There was a price to pay for that though. It cost the more moderate Republicans their seats to be seated be filled by conservative Republicans. There was a net gain of one Democratic seat in the Senate, however. It was related to the large influx of Democrats into Nashville/Davidson County.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: armadillo speedbump on May 28, 2021, 04:19:40 AM
Post by: armadillo speedbump on May 28, 2021, 04:19:40 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine
Um, no, it isn't fine. That needed to be widened a decade ago, and traffic has only gotten worse. It's a ridiculous bottleneck.
We need higher taxes/fees on new housing and businesses to cover the added infrastructure all that growth requires. It clearly isn't enough right now. Boo hoo that someone buying a $300k house might have to pay $302k. The dumbest thing we can do would be to fail to increase capacity in the face of swelling demand, aka the Northern Virginia idiotic approach (and Atlanta almost as much.) Don't build it and they won't come doesn't work.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 28, 2021, 07:44:06 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 28, 2021, 07:44:06 AM
Quote from: armadillo speedbump on May 28, 2021, 04:19:40 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:49:37 AM
I usually just use US 31W and sometimes US 31E through this stretch. Having said that I don't agree that it needs to be six lanes. The four lanes is fine
Um, no, it isn't fine. That needed to be widened a decade ago, and traffic has only gotten worse. It's a ridiculous bottleneck.
We need higher taxes/fees on new housing and businesses to cover the added infrastructure all that growth requires. It clearly isn't enough right now. Boo hoo that someone buying a $300k house might have to pay $302k. The dumbest thing we can do would be to fail to increase capacity in the face of swelling demand, aka the Northern Virginia idiotic approach (and Atlanta almost as much.) Don't build it and they won't come doesn't work.
They have added impact fees to homes over the years. That money is collected at the local level and for the local infrastructure.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on June 14, 2021, 07:48:49 AM
Post by: roadman65 on June 14, 2021, 07:48:49 AM
I see that the I-75 and I-24 exchange in East Ridge went through some serious improvements. No longer a three wye but a more typical type interchange.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
Post by: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on June 19, 2021, 01:06:18 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on June 19, 2021, 01:06:18 AM
Quote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
No doubt! And I think it's smart of them to remove the northbound weigh station since KY has one not too far over the border, and expanding the southbound one is definitely a good plan. I can see the widening phase from Millersville to Ridgetop being a royal PITA with the blasting and fill that will be required, especially northbound.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
SR 397 (Mack Hatcher Pkwy) (parts Truck US 31/Truck US 431/Truck SR 96)
Project in Williamson County
State Route 397 (Mack Hatcher Parkway) Extension
Williamson County
Timeline
Transportation projects are developed in four phases: Planning and Environmental, Design, Right-of-Way and Construction. Due to the significant cost of construction, the Northwest Extension, from south of SR 96 to east of Hillsboro Road, has been divided into two smaller sections or phases.
Phase I Interim Improvement will include the construction of a two-lane roadway, all side road improvements, a multi-use path, and a single bridge crossing of the Harpeth River.
Phase II Ultimate Improvement will complete the four-lane divided facility, including a second bridge crossing of the Harpeth River.
Phase I is currently under construction.
Let to Contract: 12/7/2018
Contractor: EUTAW CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC.
Bid Price: $45,122,600.00
Est. Completion Date: NOVEMBER 2021
Phase II is not currently funded, and a timeline is not available.
*The Southwest Extension, from SR 6/US 31/Columbia Pike to SR 96, is NOT currently referenced in the Nashville Area MPO's 2040 Regional Transportation Plan and is NOT currently programmed to be constructed by TDOT or the city of Franklin at this time.
Project in Williamson County
State Route 397 (Mack Hatcher Parkway) Extension
Williamson County
Timeline
Transportation projects are developed in four phases: Planning and Environmental, Design, Right-of-Way and Construction. Due to the significant cost of construction, the Northwest Extension, from south of SR 96 to east of Hillsboro Road, has been divided into two smaller sections or phases.
Phase I Interim Improvement will include the construction of a two-lane roadway, all side road improvements, a multi-use path, and a single bridge crossing of the Harpeth River.
Phase II Ultimate Improvement will complete the four-lane divided facility, including a second bridge crossing of the Harpeth River.
Phase I is currently under construction.
Let to Contract: 12/7/2018
Contractor: EUTAW CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC.
Bid Price: $45,122,600.00
Est. Completion Date: NOVEMBER 2021
Phase II is not currently funded, and a timeline is not available.
*The Southwest Extension, from SR 6/US 31/Columbia Pike to SR 96, is NOT currently referenced in the Nashville Area MPO's 2040 Regional Transportation Plan and is NOT currently programmed to be constructed by TDOT or the city of Franklin at this time.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
This is bad news and so unnecessary.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 01:12:04 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PMOnly "bad news" and "so unnecessary" to a minor portion of the population, including yourself, who may be directly impacted. The project is sorely needed and good to see forward progress on TDOT's part! I-65 needs to be widened to 6 lanes throughout to match Kentucky's portion, eliminate conflicts with truck traffic, and reduce congestion during peak times. These are serious issues you may disregard but the vast majority of people recognize and understand a fix is needed.Quote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
This is bad news and so unnecessary.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:15:44 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:15:44 PM
Here is a video showing the progress of the destruction in Williamson County on SR 396.
https://youtu.be/6-MsQPqpgnA (https://youtu.be/6-MsQPqpgnA)
https://youtu.be/6-MsQPqpgnA (https://youtu.be/6-MsQPqpgnA)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 01:20:06 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:15:44 PMAs the region appears to grow, the parkway appears it will provide a needed 4 lane connection and bypass around downtown Franklin. Seems like a viable connection.
Here is a video showing the progress of the destruction in Williamson County on SR 396.
https://youtu.be/6-MsQPqpgnA (https://youtu.be/6-MsQPqpgnA)
I suppose you believe the residents will love the quality of life as thousands of homes get built, traffic increases substantially, and two lane roads are choked and downtown is nothing but a traffic jam.
Good on TDOT for planning ahead.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 01:47:39 PM
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PMQuote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
This is bad news and so unnecessary.
Serious question. Are there any new construction/reconstruction projects in the Middle Tennessee area that you are actually in favor of?
I agree that some highway spending is wasteful (like I-69), but contrary to your opinions, the fact is Middle Tennessee is vastly behind in infrastructure upgrades and a lot of road projects are needed. Not just capacity upgrades, but geometrical and width upgrades. A lot of roads simply need to be widened to the standard width and have proper shoulders added.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:58:01 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 01:47:39 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PMQuote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
This is bad news and so unnecessary.
Serious question. Are there any new construction/reconstruction projects in the Middle Tennessee area that you are actually in favor of?
I agree that some highway spending is wasteful (like I-69), but contrary to your opinions, the fact is Middle Tennessee is vastly behind in infrastructure upgrades and a lot of road projects are needed. Not just capacity upgrades, but geometrical and width upgrades. A lot of roads simply need to be widened to the standard width and have proper shoulders added.
They should fix the mess they made with the I-840/I-24 interchange. They designed the interchange with an ancient partial cloverleaf. The growth in Rutherford County from the 1990 census to the 2020 census is unreal. There was no way to predict this growth pattern in 1990.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 02:17:18 PM
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:58:01 PMQuote from: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 01:47:39 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PMQuote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
This is bad news and so unnecessary.
Serious question. Are there any new construction/reconstruction projects in the Middle Tennessee area that you are actually in favor of?
I agree that some highway spending is wasteful (like I-69), but contrary to your opinions, the fact is Middle Tennessee is vastly behind in infrastructure upgrades and a lot of road projects are needed. Not just capacity upgrades, but geometrical and width upgrades. A lot of roads simply need to be widened to the standard width and have proper shoulders added.
They should fix the mess they made with the I-840/I-24 interchange. They designed the interchange with an ancient partial cloverleaf. The growth in Rutherford County from the 1990 census to the 2020 census is unreal. There was no way to predict this growth pattern in 1990.
I agree that interchange needs to be completely redone, but that's just one of many things that are needed. They need to finish five laning SR 96 between Arno Road and Veterans Parkway in order to provide a better reliever for I-840 in that area as well.
Williamson County has grown a lot as well since 1990.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 02:17:18 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 01:58:01 PMQuote from: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 01:47:39 PMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:15:50 PMQuote from: I-39 on June 19, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
TDOT now has a project page for widening I-65 between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html)
Looks like construction from SR 109 to SR 25 could begin in the fall.
Good to see this critically needed project getting some attention.
This is bad news and so unnecessary.
Serious question. Are there any new construction/reconstruction projects in the Middle Tennessee area that you are actually in favor of?
I agree that some highway spending is wasteful (like I-69), but contrary to your opinions, the fact is Middle Tennessee is vastly behind in infrastructure upgrades and a lot of road projects are needed. Not just capacity upgrades, but geometrical and width upgrades. A lot of roads simply need to be widened to the standard width and have proper shoulders added.
They should fix the mess they made with the I-840/I-24 interchange. They designed the interchange with an ancient partial cloverleaf. The growth in Rutherford County from the 1990 census to the 2020 census is unreal. There was no way to predict this growth pattern in 1990.
I agree that interchange needs to be completely redone, but that's just one of many things that are needed. They need to finish five laning SR 96 between Arno Road and Veterans Parkway in order to provide a better reliever for I-840 in that area as well.
Williamson County has grown a lot as well since 1990.
Williamson County has grown, however, the rate isn't as high and it was anticipated. Furthermore the cost of ROW acquisition in Williamson County is through the roof.
SR 96 should have stayed as two lanes since I-840 was built.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
With the amount of growth that appears to be going in that area, a two lane road just looks like it would become another bottleneck. Sure, maybe 4 lanes isn't desperately needed, but it's certainly nice to have. In 20 years, the situation might be different. Better build early so that when the volumes increase, the road can handle it. I'm coming from a city who didn't build infrastructure up before growth, and traffic is a nightmare on 2 lane roads.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 03:43:31 PM
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
With the amount of growth that appears to be going in that area, a two lane road just looks like it would become another bottleneck. Sure, maybe 4 lanes isn't desperately needed, but it's certainly nice to have. In 20 years, the situation might be different. Better build early so that when the volumes increase, the road can handle it. I'm coming from a city who didn't build infrastructure up before growth, and traffic is a nightmare on 2 lane roads.
It's needed between Arno Road and US 31/41A in Triune. East of there to Veterans isn't critical at the moment, as most commuters get on I-840 at that point. Construction is underway to 5 lane SR 96 between Arno and just east of Wilson Pike. Hopefully they'll be able to start the Wilson Pike to I-840 segment shortly after that is finished.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 04:23:01 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 21, 2021, 03:43:31 PMQuote from: sprjus4 on June 21, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
With the amount of growth that appears to be going in that area, a two lane road just looks like it would become another bottleneck. Sure, maybe 4 lanes isn't desperately needed, but it's certainly nice to have. In 20 years, the situation might be different. Better build early so that when the volumes increase, the road can handle it. I'm coming from a city who didn't build infrastructure up before growth, and traffic is a nightmare on 2 lane roads.
It’s needed between Arno Road and US 31/41A in Triune. East of there to Veterans isn’t critical at the moment, as most commuters get on I-840 at that point. Construction is underway to 5 lane SR 96 between Arno and just east of Wilson Pike. Hopefully they’ll be able to start the Wilson Pike to I-840 segment shortly after that is finished.
East of US 31A/41A I-840 parallels really close to the corridor anyway. One can take Spanntown Road and head to Alamaville Road (SSR 102). Also if one was to travel WB on SR 96 they could hop over to Old SR 96 if headed north on US 31A/41A.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on June 21, 2021, 08:06:06 PM
Post by: Georgia on June 21, 2021, 08:06:06 PM
WIlliamson County has grown faster than Rutherford County the last decade; 36.46% to 31.80%.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 22, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 22, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glUnM0yxY6Q
Here's an animated video of the "future" Pellissippi Parkway Extension.
Here's an animated video of the "future" Pellissippi Parkway Extension.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on June 22, 2021, 07:09:27 PM
Post by: I-55 on June 22, 2021, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 22, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glUnM0yxY6Q
Here's an animated video of the "future" Pellissippi Parkway Extension.
Void of any I-140 shields, probably TDOT's way of avoiding interstate opposition by building it as a state route and signing it as interstate later (or never).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 23, 2021, 07:38:41 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 23, 2021, 07:38:41 AM
Quote from: I-55 on June 22, 2021, 07:09:27 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 22, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glUnM0yxY6Q
Here's an animated video of the "future" Pellissippi Parkway Extension.
Void of any I-140 shields, probably TDOT's way of avoiding interstate opposition by building it as a state route and signing it as interstate later (or never).
That is TDOT's MO. We do have at three to four of these around the state.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
So the Pellissippi Parkway is finally being extended to US 321? Is there any time-frame on when this extension will be constructed?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on July 06, 2021, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on July 06, 2021, 03:58:13 PM
An update on the I-24 SMART Corridor project in the Nashville metro area.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 09, 2021, 07:43:48 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 09, 2021, 07:43:48 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 06, 2021, 03:58:13 PM
An update on the I-24 SMART Corridor project in the Nashville metro area.
This will eventually need to be implemented on the I-65 corridor between Nashville and Spring Hill as well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 08:28:04 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 08:28:04 AM
I have long advocated the use of traffic squeezing to increase traffic flow. If you squeeze the lanes into specific lanes whilst letting in other lanes then you have more flow. You have to get the right lane runners to quit running the right lane to increase the flow and cause a choke point.
On other news this is living proof that increasing lane capacity does not relive traffic woes. It creates greater traffic woes. I-24 was increased to 8 lanes and it is no better traffic flow wise than back in the 4 lane days. You just encouraged further growth. A decade ago you could sell an 8 lane I-24 to prospective home buyers that commute.
I always tell folks before you commit to your dream home do four additional things.
1. Drive your commute during your commuting hours at least twice on actual work days.
2. Look around for known nuisances. Look for greenways that go in your backyard, the farm behind you that may emit farm orders, nearby schools whilst may be great if you have a kid that could walk to school could be bad for an older person that doesn't want children on their lawn. Don't buy a house near a farm to only complain about farm smells/noises. Don't buy a house if you don't like people walking near it, i.e. sidewalks and greenways. Look around for other quality of life issues. A subdivision pool reserved for your HOA may sound great but it may not be so great when the pool is next door.
3. Check with your local law enforcement agency for crime statistics. Check and see how many calls for service exist in the neighborhood. You maybe in a great neighborhood, even a gated one only to find out that your neighbor is complained on constantly or causes a ruckus.
4. Check the area out at night. You have to see how everyone in the area acts at night versus the daytime. This will tell the tale of where you are moving to. If you want peace and quite you have to find out if the neighborhood is more lively at night or not.
On other news this is living proof that increasing lane capacity does not relive traffic woes. It creates greater traffic woes. I-24 was increased to 8 lanes and it is no better traffic flow wise than back in the 4 lane days. You just encouraged further growth. A decade ago you could sell an 8 lane I-24 to prospective home buyers that commute.
I always tell folks before you commit to your dream home do four additional things.
1. Drive your commute during your commuting hours at least twice on actual work days.
2. Look around for known nuisances. Look for greenways that go in your backyard, the farm behind you that may emit farm orders, nearby schools whilst may be great if you have a kid that could walk to school could be bad for an older person that doesn't want children on their lawn. Don't buy a house near a farm to only complain about farm smells/noises. Don't buy a house if you don't like people walking near it, i.e. sidewalks and greenways. Look around for other quality of life issues. A subdivision pool reserved for your HOA may sound great but it may not be so great when the pool is next door.
3. Check with your local law enforcement agency for crime statistics. Check and see how many calls for service exist in the neighborhood. You maybe in a great neighborhood, even a gated one only to find out that your neighbor is complained on constantly or causes a ruckus.
4. Check the area out at night. You have to see how everyone in the area acts at night versus the daytime. This will tell the tale of where you are moving to. If you want peace and quite you have to find out if the neighborhood is more lively at night or not.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hotdogPi on July 12, 2021, 08:35:26 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on July 12, 2021, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 08:28:04 AMThat's called population growth, and it happens in certain parts of the country regardless of whether there's a freeway there or not.
On other news this is living proof that increasing lane capacity does not relive traffic woes. It creates greater traffic woes. I-24 was increased to 8 lanes and it is no better traffic flow wise than back in the 4 lane days. You just encouraged further growth. A decade ago you could sell an 8 lane I-24 to prospective home buyers that commute.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 08:28:04 AM
1. Drive your commute during your commuting hours at least twice on actual work days.
To reduce congestion, which you said was an issue earlier in the same post, we need to spread out work times more or do more working from home.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 09:01:05 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 09:01:05 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 12, 2021, 08:35:26 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 08:28:04 AMThat's called population growth, and it happens in certain parts of the country regardless of whether there's a freeway there or not.
On other news this is living proof that increasing lane capacity does not relive traffic woes. It creates greater traffic woes. I-24 was increased to 8 lanes and it is no better traffic flow wise than back in the 4 lane days. You just encouraged further growth. A decade ago you could sell an 8 lane I-24 to prospective home buyers that commute.Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 08:28:04 AM
1. Drive your commute during your commuting hours at least twice on actual work days.
To reduce congestion, which you said was an issue earlier in the same post, we need to spread out work times more or do more working from home.
I am speaking about making final decisions if you are purchasing a home. Don't just look at the house without the total package.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 14, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 14, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
In this updated Nashville MPO 2045 project list, they have omitted any widening of I-65 south of I-840. Previously, they had a project proposed to widen I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 to 6-8 lanes.
https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552 (https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552)
Not sure why they omitted it from this latest plan. Traffic is going to get significantly worse on I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 with the Buckner/June Lake Blvd interchange going in. Not only will they need to widen there, but by the end of this decade, they'll likely need to six lane down to Bear Creek Pike.
https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552 (https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552)
Not sure why they omitted it from this latest plan. Traffic is going to get significantly worse on I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 with the Buckner/June Lake Blvd interchange going in. Not only will they need to widen there, but by the end of this decade, they'll likely need to six lane down to Bear Creek Pike.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: I-39 on July 14, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
In this updated Nashville MPO 2045 project list, they have omitted any widening of I-65 south of I-840. Previously, they had a project proposed to widen I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 to 6-8 lanes.
https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552 (https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552)
Not sure why they omitted it from this latest plan. Traffic is going to get significantly worse on I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 with the Buckner/June Lake Blvd interchange going in. Not only will they need to widen there, but by the end of this decade, they'll likely need to six lane down to Bear Creek Pike.
That interchange will significantly change the traffic patterns in the area. Spring Hill annexed all the land it could using the new rule where someone can ask for annexation. The old way was to just take it into the city. However, it looks like the annexations were done in a speculative fashion. No doubt that this interchange will bring with increased crime, sprawl and traffic. Buckner Lane is a fine drive right now. It is scenic and many home owners have purchased along here as the characteristic of the area is suburban flowing to the edge of rural areas. This will now make this area urban in nature and nature will be sacrificed at the hands of a few crooked folks.
Why did everyone that voted for this not seek reelection? Interesting that everyone that was serving at the time for the most part all decided that their respective time was up.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:13:24 AM
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 08:26:14 AMQuote from: I-39 on July 14, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
In this updated Nashville MPO 2045 project list, they have omitted any widening of I-65 south of I-840. Previously, they had a project proposed to widen I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 to 6-8 lanes.
https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552 (https://gnrc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7fa45c7ed3944f39a499194d921b2552)
Not sure why they omitted it from this latest plan. Traffic is going to get significantly worse on I-65 between I-840 and SR 396 with the Buckner/June Lake Blvd interchange going in. Not only will they need to widen there, but by the end of this decade, they'll likely need to six lane down to Bear Creek Pike.
That interchange will significantly change the traffic patterns in the area. Spring Hill annexed all the land it could using the new rule where someone can ask for annexation. The old way was to just take it into the city. However, it looks like the annexations were done in a speculative fashion. No doubt that this interchange will bring with increased crime, sprawl and traffic. Buckner Lane is a fine drive right now. It is scenic and many home owners have purchased along here as the characteristic of the area is suburban flowing to the edge of rural areas. This will now make this area urban in nature and nature will be sacrificed at the hands of a few crooked folks.
Why did everyone that voted for this not seek reelection? Interesting that everyone that was serving at the time for the most part all decided that their respective time was up.
Oh my goodness......... just stop.
News flash: people are moving here whether you like it or not. It's called growth. Things can't stay the same way forever, we all can't be riding horse and buggy on dirt roads which is what you'd essentially like.
How dare Spring Hill try to get in on some of the growth that Brentwood and Franklin have experienced with Maryland Farms and Cool Springs/Berry Farms respectively? I say kudos to them for trying to build out some mixed use developments of their own to keep some people in town from having to go north to find nice shopping and office spaces. And how dare they try to get direct access to the I-65 so US 31 and SR 396 are perpetual parking lots of people having to loop back and go out of the way to get to their neighborhoods on the east side of town?
Buckner Lane is a major hazard in its current state, with it being a narrow two lane roadway with no shoulders. Spring Hill desperately needs new multilane roads heading north to help with traffic. The widening and the interchange will do wonders for the city, and I'm greatly looking forward to it.
Finally, I-65 will have to be widened eventually going south from I-840 to at least SR 396, if not eventually US 412/Bear Creek Pike. You don't like it? Move to Pulaski or Hohenwald. The Nashville area will continue to develop. And frankly, it's nothing compared to other cities. You haven't seen anything until you've lived in a major metro area like a LA, Chicago or even Atlanta. We have it pretty good here.
There are legitimate criticisms of excess roadway building out there (i.e, I-69, Wisconsin and their 4 lane highway building mania, etc), but this isn't one of them, at all.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
Post by: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:22:58 AM
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
And? The growth and sprawl is already here. This helps manage it a bit.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 10:12:43 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:22:58 AMQuote from: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
And? The growth and sprawl is already here. This helps manage it a bit.
The Buckner Lane winding meeting is tonight. They are going to talk about the south end I believe. Do you know the cost of property acquisition alone? The homes along this stretch are not small homes or green spaces for the most part. There are a few green spaces. Some of the land along the way are also "donut holes" as well. Will they have to build around? The ROW is in the city limits so the donut hole is at the edge of Buckner Lane ROW. This means that they will have to take in a bunch of lots of the backyards of the homes of Wade's Crossing.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 10:46:36 AM
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 10:12:43 AMQuote from: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:22:58 AMQuote from: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
And? The growth and sprawl is already here. This helps manage it a bit.
The Buckner Lane winding meeting is tonight. They are going to talk about the south end I believe. Do you know the cost of property acquisition alone? The homes along this stretch are not small homes or green spaces for the most part. There are a few green spaces. Some of the land along the way are also "donut holes" as well. Will they have to build around? The ROW is in the city limits so the donut hole is at the edge of Buckner Lane ROW. This means that they will have to take in a bunch of lots of the backyards of the homes of Wade's Crossing.
Not sure about cost, but to save on ROW acquisition, they've narrowed the ROW so they'll use 11 ft lanes instead of the standard 12 ft. Not ideal, but it is what it is (they plan to do the same on the US 31 widening in the future btw). North of Belcor Dr/Wade's Crossing, there is plenty of green space on one side or the other.
Next up will need to be Port Royal, which will be an even bigger challenge IMO.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 10:46:36 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 10:12:43 AMQuote from: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:22:58 AMQuote from: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
And? The growth and sprawl is already here. This helps manage it a bit.
The Buckner Lane winding meeting is tonight. They are going to talk about the south end I believe. Do you know the cost of property acquisition alone? The homes along this stretch are not small homes or green spaces for the most part. There are a few green spaces. Some of the land along the way are also "donut holes" as well. Will they have to build around? The ROW is in the city limits so the donut hole is at the edge of Buckner Lane ROW. This means that they will have to take in a bunch of lots of the backyards of the homes of Wade's Crossing.
Not sure about cost, but to save on ROW acquisition, they've narrowed the ROW so they'll use 11 ft lanes instead of the standard 12 ft. Not ideal, but it is what it is (they plan to do the same on the US 31 widening in the future btw). North of Belcor Dr/Wade's Crossing, there is plenty of green space on one side or the other.
Next up will need to be Port Royal, which will be an even bigger challenge IMO.
The issue with the green space is that those properties for the most part are not in the city limits. They cannot do forced annexation any longer. They would need consent of the affected property owners. See the Spring Hill TN or Williamson County GIS for the parcels that are not in the city. These are donut holes as they are completely surrounded by the city.
It is insane for the city to spend money on widening SR 6 (US 31). That is a state road and the city should not pick up the tab on that one. I feel that they were wrong on Duplex Road as well (SSR 247) for the same reason.
Spring Hill is going to end up looking like Smyrna or Murfreesboro. Constrained by traffic, sprawl and it will lose it's charm as a bedroom community.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 11:42:03 AM
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 11:26:39 AMIt is insane for the city to spend money on widening SR 6 (US 31). That is a state road and the city should not pick up the tab on that one. I feel that they were wrong on Duplex Road as well (SSR 247) for the same reason.
Spring Hill is going to end up looking like Smyrna or Murfreesboro. Constrained by traffic, sprawl and it will lose it's charm as a bedroom community.
I do believe TDOT picked up most, if not all of the tab for Duplex since it is technically a state route. They will do the same for US 31 when that time comes.
There really isn't any charm in Spring Hill as it is, lol. It's one massive suburb that doesn't have a downtown district (at the moment) and is mostly made up of people commuting to Nashville and Franklin/Cool Springs.
One thing I will give you: Buckner Road will not need to be widened to five lanes. IMHO, it only needs three lanes like Duplex. Just straighten the road and add a continuous center turn lane, no need for additional travel lanes there. Next up for four/five laning will be Port Royal IMO.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 15, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 15, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AMThat's certainly debatable. While interchange construction and new improved access will often spawn growth, there's been a number of proven situations where growth has continued to sprawl as infrastructure and good access continues to lag behind. The growth is inevitable - now whether the DOT is ready to provide needed connectivity and road improvements is another story.
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 15, 2021, 12:33:29 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 15, 2021, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 11:26:39 AMIt's already becoming that way... the growth isn't stopping. The question is - would the city rather have improved roadways to handle the traffic, or outdated, narrow 2 lane roads with poor design features handling large amounts of traffic? Get over it.Quote from: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 10:46:36 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2021, 10:12:43 AMQuote from: I-39 on July 15, 2021, 09:22:58 AMQuote from: froggie on July 15, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
^ The growth you refer to is indeed considered sprawl. Avalanchez is not wrong in saying the interchange will bring sprawl and traffic.
And? The growth and sprawl is already here. This helps manage it a bit.
The Buckner Lane winding meeting is tonight. They are going to talk about the south end I believe. Do you know the cost of property acquisition alone? The homes along this stretch are not small homes or green spaces for the most part. There are a few green spaces. Some of the land along the way are also "donut holes" as well. Will they have to build around? The ROW is in the city limits so the donut hole is at the edge of Buckner Lane ROW. This means that they will have to take in a bunch of lots of the backyards of the homes of Wade's Crossing.
Not sure about cost, but to save on ROW acquisition, they've narrowed the ROW so they'll use 11 ft lanes instead of the standard 12 ft. Not ideal, but it is what it is (they plan to do the same on the US 31 widening in the future btw). North of Belcor Dr/Wade's Crossing, there is plenty of green space on one side or the other.
Next up will need to be Port Royal, which will be an even bigger challenge IMO.
The issue with the green space is that those properties for the most part are not in the city limits. They cannot do forced annexation any longer. They would need consent of the affected property owners. See the Spring Hill TN or Williamson County GIS for the parcels that are not in the city. These are donut holes as they are completely surrounded by the city.
It is insane for the city to spend money on widening SR 6 (US 31). That is a state road and the city should not pick up the tab on that one. I feel that they were wrong on Duplex Road as well (SSR 247) for the same reason.
Spring Hill is going to end up looking like Smyrna or Murfreesboro. Constrained by traffic, sprawl and it will lose it's charm as a bedroom community.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sparker on July 15, 2021, 04:17:46 PM
Post by: sparker on July 15, 2021, 04:17:46 PM
This growth/outdated infrastructure see-saw, while not exclusive to the greater Nashville area, is particularly endemic there, since the state seems willing to grant favors (tax deferments, fee reductions, etc.) to corporations expressing interest in relocating to the area. One of the heavyweight "gorillas" in my industry, specialty audio, is Emotiva; they were convinced to relocate from their original CA digs to the outskirts of Franklin in the late 2000's; employing about 4K (they actually manufacture -- or at least do final assembly -- on products there) over several daily shifts. Having talked to one of their consulting engineers a few years back, this person opined that when his division moved there about 2010, the roads were relatively clear, but five years later there were new housing tracts and retail "parks" that had been built during that period of time; Emotiva was but one of several larger firms setting down local roots. If TN is insistent upon bringing in large-scale employers and arraying them around the Nashville periphery (although so far, no one has referred to I-840 in terms normally reserved for arteries like MA 128!), development and, yes, sprawl, is inevitable. TDOT and the local agencies will be playing "catch-up" until such time as the inducements cease.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 16, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 16, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
I'm sure people have been complaining about undeveloped areas being developed for as long as cities have existed. "Sprawl" will always exist, unless humanity resorts back to living in caves and teepees.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 17, 2021, 01:34:42 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 17, 2021, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 21, 2021, 12:14:54 PM
SR 397 (Mack Hatcher Pkwy) (parts Truck US 31/Truck US 431/Truck SR 96)
Project in Williamson County
State Route 397 (Mack Hatcher Parkway) Extension
Williamson County
Timeline
Transportation projects are developed in four phases: Planning and Environmental, Design, Right-of-Way and Construction. Due to the significant cost of construction, the Northwest Extension, from south of SR 96 to east of Hillsboro Road, has been divided into two smaller sections or phases.
Phase I Interim Improvement will include the construction of a two-lane roadway, all side road improvements, a multi-use path, and a single bridge crossing of the Harpeth River.
Phase II Ultimate Improvement will complete the four-lane divided facility, including a second bridge crossing of the Harpeth River.
Phase I is currently under construction.
Let to Contract: 12/7/2018
Contractor: EUTAW CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC.
Bid Price: $45,122,600.00
Est. Completion Date: NOVEMBER 2021
Phase II is not currently funded, and a timeline is not available.
*The Southwest Extension, from SR 6/US 31/Columbia Pike to SR 96, is NOT currently referenced in the Nashville Area MPO's 2040 Regional Transportation Plan and is NOT currently programmed to be constructed by TDOT or the city of Franklin at this time.
The only reason this was built/needed was because of the Westhaven subdivision. While in general, I like the growth that Franklin has experienced, Westhaven I have to admit was a poor idea and should never have been built. It is way too large and dense, and it is kind of in an awkward location surrounded by mostly rural land where nothing is likely to go.
This is one project I will give you that should not have been built. Money would have been better spent widening the SE leg and widening 31 down to I-840.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 18, 2021, 09:32:32 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 18, 2021, 09:32:32 PM
Westhaven is a nice place and has a hidden Kroger store. I do think that it is out in the wrong area for sure.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 22, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
Post by: I-39 on July 22, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
At long last, TDOT has begun the reconstruction of the I-65/Bear Creek Pike (SR 99) interchange, which is long overdue and critically needed.
Plans include reconfiguring the interchange into a standard diamond, replacing the bridges with a single bridge (presumably with the width to accommodate a third lane in the future), widening Bear Creek Pike to five lanes in the interchange area and install traffic lights at the ramp terminals.
https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/ (https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/)
Hopefully, after this is completed, Bear Creek Pike will be five laned to the Interstate. The future growth of Columbia will be along that corridor IMO.
Plans include reconfiguring the interchange into a standard diamond, replacing the bridges with a single bridge (presumably with the width to accommodate a third lane in the future), widening Bear Creek Pike to five lanes in the interchange area and install traffic lights at the ramp terminals.
https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/ (https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/)
Hopefully, after this is completed, Bear Creek Pike will be five laned to the Interstate. The future growth of Columbia will be along that corridor IMO.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 23, 2021, 10:01:50 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 23, 2021, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 22, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
At long last, TDOT has begun the reconstruction of the I-65/Bear Creek Pike (SR 99) interchange, which is long overdue and critically needed.
Plans include reconfiguring the interchange into a standard diamond, replacing the bridges with a single bridge (presumably with the width to accommodate a third lane in the future), widening Bear Creek Pike to five lanes in the interchange area and install traffic lights at the ramp terminals.
https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/ (https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/)
Hopefully, after this is completed, Bear Creek Pike will be five laned to the Interstate. The future growth of Columbia will be along that corridor IMO.
That interchange is weird and one can get clobbered trying to get on. There is a cemetary that is kind of in the way. US 412 does not need to be four laned. It is sufficient as-is. There are climbing lanes and wide right-of-way.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 23, 2021, 10:36:16 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 23, 2021, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 23, 2021, 10:01:50 PMQuote from: I-39 on July 22, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
At long last, TDOT has begun the reconstruction of the I-65/Bear Creek Pike (SR 99) interchange, which is long overdue and critically needed.
Plans include reconfiguring the interchange into a standard diamond, replacing the bridges with a single bridge (presumably with the width to accommodate a third lane in the future), widening Bear Creek Pike to five lanes in the interchange area and install traffic lights at the ramp terminals.
https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/ (https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/story/news/2021/07/21/bear-creek-65-interchange-enhancement-project-breaks-ground-after-20-years-planning/8023055002/)
Hopefully, after this is completed, Bear Creek Pike will be five laned to the Interstate. The future growth of Columbia will be along that corridor IMO.
That interchange is weird and one can get clobbered trying to get on. There is a cemetary that is kind of in the way. US 412 does not need to be four laned. It is sufficient as-is. There are climbing lanes and wide right-of-way.
There's just enough room for a NB on ramp without impacting the cemetery.
Sorry, but within the next 10-15 years, US 412/Bear Creek Pike will need to be five laned between US 31 and I-65. As Columbia/central Maury County grows, there is going to be increased traffic and development along the corridor. Not to mention the upgraded interchange will make I-65 more attractive to Columbia commuters as opposed to 31 to Saturn Parkway.
Columbia is pushing for it, and it's in the Nashville MPO 2045 transportation plan.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 28, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 28, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Having stayed at hotels at that Bear Creek exit many times, this is good news. That interchange is woeful. You can't see cross traffic from the ramp terminal coming from under I-65 very well and with no signals, it's not for the timid. Then that accel lane northbound is very inadequate, especially with that tight loop.
Standard diamond will be better than the legacy interchange they've got, but if I had my druthers, it's a good spot for a DDI.
Standard diamond will be better than the legacy interchange they've got, but if I had my druthers, it's a good spot for a DDI.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
TDOT has in its August letting the I-65 widening project between TN 25 and TN 109. This will be the first of four sections that will complete the widening between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 28, 2021, 02:24:56 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 28, 2021, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PMDon't tell Avalanchez :bigass:
TDOT has in its August letting the I-65 widening project between TN 25 and TN 109. This will be the first of four sections that will complete the widening between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on July 28, 2021, 04:28:16 PM
Post by: I-39 on July 28, 2021, 04:28:16 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 28, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Having stayed at hotels at that Bear Creek exit many times, this is good news. That interchange is woeful. You can't see cross traffic from the ramp terminal coming from under I-65 very well and with no signals, it's not for the timid. Then that accel lane northbound is very inadequate, especially with that tight loop.
Standard diamond will be better than the legacy interchange they've got, but if I had my druthers, it's a good spot for a DDI.
It's not busy enough for a DDI. A standard diamond is fine here, as long as there is proper acceleration length on I-65. Getting rid of that dumb and dangerous loop ramp and making Bear Creek 5 lanes with traffic signals at the ramp terminals will do wonders.
Good locations for DDI's would be the Moore's Ln and SR 96 interchanges in Franklin. Those will be next up for reconstruction.
Quote from: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
TDOT has in its August letting the I-65 widening project between TN 25 and TN 109. This will be the first of four sections that will complete the widening between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
Excellent. I hope they get the funding together and can start construction on the other three sections as soon as this is done. This widening is needed badly.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on July 28, 2021, 06:07:42 PM
Post by: Georgia on July 28, 2021, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
TDOT has in its August letting the I-65 widening project between TN 25 and TN 109. This will be the first of four sections that will complete the widening between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
So glad to hear this, and it makes sense to fill in this short stretch of 2 lane compared to say, I-75 after Knoxville to the KY state line.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 05, 2021, 07:12:20 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 05, 2021, 07:12:20 PM
I don't know how many people are interested in this, but Phase I of the I-40 six-laning project / exit 80 and exit 82 replacement in Jackson has been more or less complete. Phase II is underway.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 10, 2021, 07:42:31 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 10, 2021, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: I-39 on July 28, 2021, 04:28:16 PM.Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 28, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Having stayed at hotels at that Bear Creek exit many times, this is good news. That interchange is woeful. You can't see cross traffic from the ramp terminal coming from under I-65 very well and with no signals, it's not for the timid. Then that accel lane northbound is very inadequate, especially with that tight loop.
Standard diamond will be better than the legacy interchange they've got, but if I had my druthers, it's a good spot for a DDI.
It's not busy enough for a DDI. A standard diamond is fine here, as long as there is proper acceleration length on I-65. Getting rid of that dumb and dangerous loop ramp and making Bear Creek 5 lanes with traffic signals at the ramp terminals will do wonders.
Good locations for DDI's would be the Moore's Ln and SR 96 interchanges in Franklin. Those will be next up for reconstruction.Quote from: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
TDOT has in its August letting the I-65 widening project between TN 25 and TN 109. This will be the first of four sections that will complete the widening between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
Excellent. I hope they get the funding together and can start construction on the other three sections as soon as this is done. This widening is needed badly.
The interchange rebuild at that exit is warranted.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 10, 2021, 07:44:30 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 10, 2021, 07:44:30 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2021, 02:24:56 PMQuote from: codyg1985 on July 28, 2021, 01:43:27 PMDon't tell Avalanchez :bigass:
TDOT has in its August letting the I-65 widening project between TN 25 and TN 109. This will be the first of four sections that will complete the widening between Nashville and the Kentucky state line.
More info on the overall project can be found at https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html
This is a disgrace and a love child of that dreadful gas tax increase that was rammed through.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:03:20 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:03:20 PM
TDOT needs to six-lane I-24 between exits 81 and 178, albeit 4 miles of that would probably be GDOT and not TDOT since it's in Georgia. That section of interstate is congested very frequently.
It would not hurt to six-lane I-75 between exits 11 and 27 either.
It would not hurt to six-lane I-75 between exits 11 and 27 either.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
Post by: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:03:20 PM
TDOT needs to six-lane I-24 between exits 81 and 178, albeit 4 miles of that would probably be GDOT and not TDOT since it's in Georgia. That section of interstate is congested very frequently.
It would not hurt to six-lane I-75 between exits 11 and 27 either.
Given that I-65 north of the TN-386 split has an AADT ~20,000 higher than I-24 and only now are they starting to widen it, I think I-24 won't be widened until its AADT tops 50-60k (if at all). Not to mention that segment of I-65 is 60 miles shorter.
I-75 might happen since it has similar traffic counts to I-65.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hotdogPi on August 10, 2021, 08:44:18 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on August 10, 2021, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
I think I-24 won't be widened until its AADT tops 50-60k (if at all).
25K for two lanes is near record-setting for the entire country (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20217.msg2304871#msg2304871). Is there any reason why 50K for four lanes isn't the same?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:57:51 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:57:51 PM
I-24 has 40k - 50k already I believe. And it will continue to rise. It is over half of the connection between two fast-growing metropolitan areas, one of over 6 million and one of over 2 million, less than 250 miles apart. I say get ahead of the problem before it gets worse, especially as slow as TDOT works. FDOT and GDOT work fast. 97 miles of roadway would take FDOT or GDOT about a decade to complete. It would take TDOT about half a century.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 09:20:54 PM
Post by: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:57:51 PM
I-24 has 40k - 50k already I believe. And it will continue to rise. It is over half of the connection between two fast-growing metropolitan areas, one of over 6 million and one of over 2 million, less than 250 miles apart. I say get ahead of the problem before it gets worse, especially as slow as TDOT works. FDOT and GDOT work fast. 97 miles of roadway would take FDOT or GDOT about a decade to complete. It would take TDOT about half a century.
It'll take them half a century to get to it, let alone do anything. I agree with your thinking but TDOT does not share Kentucky's, Georgia's, or Florida's attitude toward rural 6 lane interstates. If TDOT has a priority it is Nashville Metro and everything inside. They'll deal with concerns there before anywhere else.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 09:20:54 PMQuote from: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:57:51 PM
I-24 has 40k - 50k already I believe. And it will continue to rise. It is over half of the connection between two fast-growing metropolitan areas, one of over 6 million and one of over 2 million, less than 250 miles apart. I say get ahead of the problem before it gets worse, especially as slow as TDOT works. FDOT and GDOT work fast. 97 miles of roadway would take FDOT or GDOT about a decade to complete. It would take TDOT about half a century.
It'll take them half a century to get to it, let alone do anything. I agree with your thinking but TDOT does not share Kentucky's, Georgia's, or Florida's attitude toward rural 6 lane interstates. If TDOT has a priority it is Nashville Metro and everything inside. They'll deal with concerns there before anywhere else.
Well, Nashville and Memphis, although I agree. Originally they were going to six-lane between exits 76 and 93 on I-40. Then they truncated it to between exits 80 and 87, which made no sense to me. They could have at the very least extended it west to 79. Maybe they will, although I doubt it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on August 10, 2021, 10:14:14 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on August 10, 2021, 10:14:14 PM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 09:25:49 PMQuote from: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 09:20:54 PMQuote from: Daniel Fiddler on August 10, 2021, 08:57:51 PM
I-24 has 40k - 50k already I believe. And it will continue to rise. It is over half of the connection between two fast-growing metropolitan areas, one of over 6 million and one of over 2 million, less than 250 miles apart. I say get ahead of the problem before it gets worse, especially as slow as TDOT works. FDOT and GDOT work fast. 97 miles of roadway would take FDOT or GDOT about a decade to complete. It would take TDOT about half a century.
It'll take them half a century to get to it, let alone do anything. I agree with your thinking but TDOT does not share Kentucky's, Georgia's, or Florida's attitude toward rural 6 lane interstates. If TDOT has a priority it is Nashville Metro and everything inside. They'll deal with concerns there before anywhere else.
Well, Nashville and Memphis, although I agree. Originally they were going to six-lane between exits 76 and 93 on I-40. Then they truncated it to between exits 80 and 87, which made no sense to me. They could have at the very least extended it west to 79. Maybe they will, although I doubt it.
TDOT's main priority isn't any of the metro areas. It is one thing and one thing only: maintenance. Making sure that what they already have built stays smooth and doesn't collapse. If their priority were Nashville or Memphis, the cluster 24/65 duplex and the I-55 Crump interchange in Memphis would both be fixed. In recent times, they have finished millions of dollars of work in Knoxville, and they're currently spending millions in Chattanooga, mainly to ensure that everything that was there wouldn't collapse.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on August 10, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
Post by: hbelkins on August 10, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
I've long said I hated the mountain crossing just after you cross the state line, but even after you descend, the rest of the route on to Knoxville has an ancient feel to it.
For the terrain and the amount of traffic they carry, and to match up with what Kentucky has done, Tennessee needs to widen both I-65 and I-75 between the I-40 metro areas and the state line.
For the terrain and the amount of traffic they carry, and to match up with what Kentucky has done, Tennessee needs to widen both I-65 and I-75 between the I-40 metro areas and the state line.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on August 11, 2021, 08:25:03 AM
Post by: froggie on August 11, 2021, 08:25:03 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2021, 08:44:18 PMQuote from: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
I think I-24 won't be widened until its AADT tops 50-60k (if at all).
25K for two lanes is near record-setting for the entire country (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20217.msg2304871#msg2304871). Is there any reason why 50K for four lanes isn't the same?
Two reasons. First, the vast majority of busy 2-lane roads are not controlled-access. Second, having a 2nd lane adds maneuverability in that faster traffic can pass slower traffic. That said, the research that has gone into the Highway Capacity Manual indicates that the capacity effects of additional lanes are lessened once you get beyond 4 lanes per direction.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Post by: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 11, 2021, 08:25:03 AMQuote from: 1 on August 10, 2021, 08:44:18 PMQuote from: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
I think I-24 won't be widened until its AADT tops 50-60k (if at all).
25K for two lanes is near record-setting for the entire country (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20217.msg2304871#msg2304871). Is there any reason why 50K for four lanes isn't the same?
Two reasons. First, the vast majority of busy 2-lane roads are not controlled-access. Second, having a 2nd lane adds maneuverability in that faster traffic can pass slower traffic. That said, the research that has gone into the Highway Capacity Manual indicates that the capacity effects of additional lanes are lessened once you get beyond 4 lanes per direction.
That's along the lines of what I was going to say:
Yes. There's a huge increase in throughput from two lanes to four because faster traffic can pass. With one lane almost always moving at a higher speed than the other, traffic doesn't get held up by a single car, and therefore moves significantly better. For roads with more than four lanes, the difference becomes more and more incremental for each added lane, since passing is allowed regardless.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on August 11, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
Post by: I-55 on August 11, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:25:37 PMQuote from: froggie on August 11, 2021, 08:25:03 AMQuote from: 1 on August 10, 2021, 08:44:18 PMQuote from: I-55 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
I think I-24 won't be widened until its AADT tops 50-60k (if at all).
25K for two lanes is near record-setting for the entire country (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20217.msg2304871#msg2304871). Is there any reason why 50K for four lanes isn't the same?
Two reasons. First, the vast majority of busy 2-lane roads are not controlled-access. Second, having a 2nd lane adds maneuverability in that faster traffic can pass slower traffic. That said, the research that has gone into the Highway Capacity Manual indicates that the capacity effects of additional lanes are lessened once you get beyond 4 lanes per direction.
That's along the lines of what I was going to say:
Yes. There's a huge increase in throughput from two lanes to four because faster traffic can pass. With one lane almost always moving at a higher speed than the other, traffic doesn't get held up by a single car, and therefore moves significantly better. For roads with more than four lanes, the difference becomes more and more incremental for each added lane, since passing is allowed regardless.
Diminishing Marginal Utility. Once you have so much of a thing, each extra item makes less of an impact for the user than the one before it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: adventurernumber1 on August 12, 2021, 10:07:30 PM
Post by: adventurernumber1 on August 12, 2021, 10:07:30 PM
A significant portion (https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/freight_analysis/nat_freight_stats/docs/12factsfigures/figure3_12.htm) of interstate mileage in Tennessee is part of routes that carry lots of long-distance truck traffic. Among these are likely all of I-40 and I-81 in the state, most of I-75 and I-24 in the state, and I-65 through Metro Nashville and northward. Add that with all the regular traffic taking these roads (which is a good bit), and there's reasonable justification for a lot of widenings on Tennessee's interstates where needed (including rural stretches). The I-65 widening north of Nashville that has been approved is undoubtedly deserving. I may just be used to Georgia and Florida's massive prioritization of widening rural congested long-distance corridors. Sometimes I make the mistake of expecting the same thing from states like Tennessee and South Carolina that also have myriad important corridors with lots of traffic (see much of I-95, I-26, and I-85 in SC, etc.), but I do have to understand it's not always the same situation as with Georgia and Florida (funding may not be as good, and as noted upthread, some states just don't prioritize widening rural sections of interstate). All I'm saying is that the justification is definitely there, if a decision ever was made to widen many of these interstate segments (such as the recent approval for the I-65 widening), even if it's not always realistic (simply due to the limitations of funds, resources, etc.). These widenings are definitely not a bad idea. There's definitely good argument for widening I-24 between Murfreesboro and Chattanooga -- after all, that is sort of the connection between the massive trucking corridors of IN-KY-TN I-65 and GA-FL I-75. And widening I-75 north to Cleveland (Exit 27) is certainly a good idea as well. But Tennessee is only one state, and widening every single section of interstate part of these congested, long-distance corridors is not necessarily realistic or inexpensive, at least anytime soon. But bit by bit, there is definitely justification for it, as a lot of Tennessee's interstates carry significant AADT.
They are indeed pumping a lot of money and doing a good job with the road projects in Chattanooga (such as the reconstruction of the downtown US 27 freeway and the I-75/I-24 interchange reconstruction). As noted upthread, TDOT often prioritizes maintenance, but they also do a fine job with building new stuff. There's a lot to be done (not just widenings), but hopefully a lot of these widenings can happen in the near future to help ease congestion and in anticipation of future growth. The I-65 widening is another much-needed milestone (as is the I-40 widening in Jackson).
They are indeed pumping a lot of money and doing a good job with the road projects in Chattanooga (such as the reconstruction of the downtown US 27 freeway and the I-75/I-24 interchange reconstruction). As noted upthread, TDOT often prioritizes maintenance, but they also do a fine job with building new stuff. There's a lot to be done (not just widenings), but hopefully a lot of these widenings can happen in the near future to help ease congestion and in anticipation of future growth. The I-65 widening is another much-needed milestone (as is the I-40 widening in Jackson).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
Here is a blast from the past. This is a picture of Nashville in 1950s.
Lafayette at 8th Ave.
(https://styleblueprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/LafayetteAnd8th.jpg)
Lafayette at 8th Ave.
(https://styleblueprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/LafayetteAnd8th.jpg)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sparker on August 13, 2021, 05:35:53 PM
Post by: sparker on August 13, 2021, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
Here is a blast from the past. This is a picture of Nashville in 1950s.
Lafayette at 8th Ave.
(https://styleblueprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/LafayetteAnd8th.jpg)
Every time I see a reference to "RC or Royal Crown" cola I'm reminded of that old episode of All In The Family where Archie challenges Mike "Meathead" to a cola-tasting contest when the latter pisses & moans about the wrong cola being bought and Archie inferred there were no differences between them -- but Mike won the contest hands-down (his preference was RC!).
The sign salads are nice, too!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on September 12, 2021, 08:21:18 AM
Post by: I-39 on September 12, 2021, 08:21:18 AM
The contract has been awarded to widen I-65 between SR 109 and SR 25. It is the largest contract in state history, surpassing the I-440 rebuild.
https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html (https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html)
If this is that expensive, I can only imagine what the other segments will cost, considering it'll be more difficult terrain as they go south. Nevertheless, it's good they are getting this project going and I hope they'll find funding for the other segments as soon as possible.
https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html (https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html)
If this is that expensive, I can only imagine what the other segments will cost, considering it'll be more difficult terrain as they go south. Nevertheless, it's good they are getting this project going and I hope they'll find funding for the other segments as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 12, 2021, 10:52:39 AM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 12, 2021, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
Here is a blast from the past. This is a picture of Nashville in 1950s.
Lafayette at 8th Ave.
(https://styleblueprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/LafayetteAnd8th.jpg)
Here's the same view today, if I'm not mistaken:
(https://i.imgur.com/84M2cud.png)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 12, 2021, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 12, 2021, 08:13:28 PM
^^ surprised it's not a condo tower yet. :-P
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:24 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on September 13, 2021, 01:41:24 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 12, 2021, 08:13:28 PM
^^ surprised it's not a condo tower yet. :-P
Sadly, I think it is. I was just there the other day.
The roundabout that has replaced the Y has a sculpture of large multi-colored poles, each with a slight bend as they go up. It's too bad they couldn't commission another sculpture of naked people like on Music Row!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ukfan758 on September 15, 2021, 12:14:09 PM
Post by: ukfan758 on September 15, 2021, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: I-39 on September 12, 2021, 08:21:18 AM
The contract has been awarded to widen I-65 between SR 109 and SR 25. It is the largest contract in state history, surpassing the I-440 rebuild.
https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html (https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html)
If this is that expensive, I can only imagine what the other segments will cost, considering it'll be more difficult terrain as they go south. Nevertheless, it's good they are getting this project going and I hope they'll find funding for the other segments as soon as possible.
Over 4 years of construction, Kentucky did their last 10 mile section in around 3 years (2015-2018) iirc. For the section that runs through the hills/mountain I would understand the longer time but this surprises me. Are they running a skeleton crew for this job?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on September 15, 2021, 01:22:52 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on September 15, 2021, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on September 15, 2021, 12:14:09 PMQuote from: I-39 on September 12, 2021, 08:21:18 AM
The contract has been awarded to widen I-65 between SR 109 and SR 25. It is the largest contract in state history, surpassing the I-440 rebuild.
https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html (https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html)
If this is that expensive, I can only imagine what the other segments will cost, considering it'll be more difficult terrain as they go south. Nevertheless, it's good they are getting this project going and I hope they'll find funding for the other segments as soon as possible.
Over 4 years of construction, Kentucky did their last 10 mile section in around 3 years (2015-2018) iirc. For the section that runs through the hills/mountain I would understand the longer time but this surprises me. Are they running a skeleton crew for this job?
It could be due to the way they are phasing the work. Kentucky utilized cattle chutes inside their I-65 widening construction zones (creating a split lane configuration where the left lane would be shifted to the other side head-to-head with the opposing lanes), which I am guessing sped things up somewhat. I don't know if Tennessee is using that same technique with this work zone, or if they are going to avoid it, which by doing so could make the construction duration longer.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on September 15, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on September 15, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on September 15, 2021, 01:22:52 PMQuote from: ukfan758 on September 15, 2021, 12:14:09 PMQuote from: I-39 on September 12, 2021, 08:21:18 AM
The contract has been awarded to widen I-65 between SR 109 and SR 25. It is the largest contract in state history, surpassing the I-440 rebuild.
https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html (https://www.wsmv.com/news/robertson_county/tdot-awards-contract-to-widen-i-65-in-robertson-county/article_347e6f08-0c27-11ec-a023-27b7309b0491.html)
If this is that expensive, I can only imagine what the other segments will cost, considering it'll be more difficult terrain as they go south. Nevertheless, it's good they are getting this project going and I hope they'll find funding for the other segments as soon as possible.
Over 4 years of construction, Kentucky did their last 10 mile section in around 3 years (2015-2018) iirc. For the section that runs through the hills/mountain I would understand the longer time but this surprises me. Are they running a skeleton crew for this job?
It could be due to the way they are phasing the work. Kentucky utilized cattle chutes inside their I-65 widening construction zones (creating a split lane configuration where the left lane would be shifted to the other side head-to-head with the opposing lanes), which I am guessing sped things up somewhat. I don't know if Tennessee is using that same technique with this work zone, or if they are going to avoid it, which by doing so could make the construction duration longer.
Tennessee has, in the past, NOT used the cattle chutes that Kentucky has used and South Carolina has had numerous issues with. I think a lot of the issues are the prevalence of concrete box beam bridges south of TN 52 that will need to be completely replaced, as they are generally not conducive to widening.
From south of TN 52 to Rivergate Pkwy in Goodlettsville, I-65 open in the mid-70's. North of TN 52 it would have opened at the same time as the adjoining Kentucky segment (I assume late 60's), and I think it was late 60's south of Rivergate Pkwy. Anyway the bridge types are much different along the mid-70's section than the other sections.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-55 on October 06, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
Post by: I-55 on October 06, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
The interchange project between I-65 and TN-109 appears to be completed, and has GSV updated.
View from TN-109 looking South off the overpass (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6307624,-86.5737604,3a,15y,203.26h,85.66t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNAVXGFh39eYfSieRfQP9FA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DNAVXGFh39eYfSieRfQP9FA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D298.62656%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
View from TN-109 looking South off the overpass (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6307624,-86.5737604,3a,15y,203.26h,85.66t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNAVXGFh39eYfSieRfQP9FA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DNAVXGFh39eYfSieRfQP9FA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D298.62656%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on October 15, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Post by: I-39 on October 15, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Does TDOT own ROW to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike between US 31 and I-65? I heard somewhere they do. This is a project they are going to have to get a move on pretty soon.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 10, 2021, 08:44:25 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 10, 2021, 08:44:25 AM
Quote from: I-39 on October 15, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Does TDOT own ROW to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike between US 31 and I-65? I heard somewhere they do. This is a project they are going to have to get a move on pretty soon.
I believe they do. This was requested but I believe denied.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on November 10, 2021, 10:59:13 AM
Post by: I-39 on November 10, 2021, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on November 10, 2021, 08:44:25 AMQuote from: I-39 on October 15, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Does TDOT own ROW to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike between US 31 and I-65? I heard somewhere they do. This is a project they are going to have to get a move on pretty soon.
I believe they do. This was requested but I believe denied.
That was probably a while ago. With the interchange being redone at I-65 and lots of new development in the pipeline along the corridor, they need to get a move to avoid another Spring Hill 31 situation. Interestingly, they hinted money from the new infrastructure bill could go towards it.
https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2021/11/09/infrastructure-bills-impact-tennessee-road-projects/6339008001/ (https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2021/11/09/infrastructure-bills-impact-tennessee-road-projects/6339008001/)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 16, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 16, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: I-39 on November 10, 2021, 10:59:13 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on November 10, 2021, 08:44:25 AMQuote from: I-39 on October 15, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Does TDOT own ROW to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike between US 31 and I-65? I heard somewhere they do. This is a project they are going to have to get a move on pretty soon.
I believe they do. This was requested but I believe denied.
That was probably a while ago. With the interchange being redone at I-65 and lots of new development in the pipeline along the corridor, they need to get a move to avoid another Spring Hill 31 situation. Interestingly, they hinted money from the new infrastructure bill could go towards it.
https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2021/11/09/infrastructure-bills-impact-tennessee-road-projects/6339008001/ (https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2021/11/09/infrastructure-bills-impact-tennessee-road-projects/6339008001/)
This is new and is news. The biggest issue with US 412 is the school zone. TN likes to have schools near highways which gums up the traffic and slows down traffic to very low speeds. I was in other states and the school zone speed limits in similar areas was much higher.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on November 16, 2021, 02:34:28 PM
Post by: I-39 on November 16, 2021, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on November 16, 2021, 09:15:02 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 10, 2021, 10:59:13 AMQuote from: Avalanchez71 on November 10, 2021, 08:44:25 AMQuote from: I-39 on October 15, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Does TDOT own ROW to widen US 412/Bear Creek Pike between US 31 and I-65? I heard somewhere they do. This is a project they are going to have to get a move on pretty soon.
I believe they do. This was requested but I believe denied.
That was probably a while ago. With the interchange being redone at I-65 and lots of new development in the pipeline along the corridor, they need to get a move to avoid another Spring Hill 31 situation. Interestingly, they hinted money from the new infrastructure bill could go towards it.
https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2021/11/09/infrastructure-bills-impact-tennessee-road-projects/6339008001/ (https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/2021/11/09/infrastructure-bills-impact-tennessee-road-projects/6339008001/)
This is new and is news. The biggest issue with US 412 is the school zone. TN likes to have schools near highways which gums up the traffic and slows down traffic to very low speeds. I was in other states and the school zone speed limits in similar areas was much higher.
Yes, and with new housing developments in the pipeline along the corridor, including several out near the I-65 interchange, it only makes sense to fill the gap. You are correct about the schools, they will have to figure out a solution near Howell Elementary, possibly a frontage road of some sorts may be needed there. It's probably only a matter of time before a commercial development with a Walmart or a grocery store chain pops up along there as well.
The Nashville MPO 2045 lists US 412/Bear Creek Pike between US 31 and I-65 as a widening project, but it appears they may make it a four lane divided highway as it is west of US 31 instead of a five lane undivided. Not sure if that is the best solution for this corridor.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on February 02, 2022, 08:33:33 PM
Post by: Georgia on February 02, 2022, 08:33:33 PM
Find an alternate to I-65 at the widening project. Took me 90 minutes to traverse the project today as it was down to 1 lane. 31W at Exit 2 in Kentucky would have been a far better decision even if it is 2 lane
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on February 03, 2022, 02:08:02 PM
Post by: hbelkins on February 03, 2022, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: Georgia on February 02, 2022, 08:33:33 PM
Find an alternate to I-65 at the widening project. Took me 90 minutes to traverse the project today as it was down to 1 lane. 31W at Exit 2 in Kentucky would have been a far better decision even if it is 2 lane
There have been so many delays in that area over the past few years that our Bowling Green office has taken to warning motorists that the backups are stretching north into Kentucky so drivers should expect slowed or stopped traffic.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia on February 03, 2022, 03:31:23 PM
Post by: Georgia on February 03, 2022, 03:31:23 PM
Yea I cant fault KYTC, they had message signs starting at BG that warned about stopped traffic. I ignored it thinking it wouldnt be too bad but I was wrong. Do not go past the Portland exit at latest, you will regret it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/NjxcQaubw4ZjRnWV9
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on September 16, 2022, 08:59:49 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on September 16, 2022, 08:59:49 AM
There is a second phase of that project currently in the soliciation phase which is supposed to expand I-24 west of the I-75 interchange which should hopefully alleviate the issues the interchange currently has.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: VTGoose on September 16, 2022, 09:53:09 AM
Post by: VTGoose on September 16, 2022, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/NjxcQaubw4ZjRnWV9
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
Chattanooga desperately needs a bypass -- not that it would be easy to build one. But a connection from I-24 around the state line east to hit I-75 could probably remove a good bit of the traffic that is funneled into that clogged stretch of interstate.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Mapmikey on September 16, 2022, 10:18:53 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on September 16, 2022, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/NjxcQaubw4ZjRnWV9
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
Here is a May 2022 view showing no backup at all
https://goo.gl/maps/aH7suzp7owbTKWFF7
And one in Aug 2022
https://goo.gl/maps/8CxpT2xQXfyD2xDq8
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 16, 2022, 10:24:33 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 16, 2022, 10:24:33 AM
It was backed up from I-75 NB to I-24 WB when I drove through the area back in March late Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hotdogPi on September 16, 2022, 10:27:20 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on September 16, 2022, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 16, 2022, 10:18:53 AMQuote from: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/NjxcQaubw4ZjRnWV9
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
Here is a May 2022 view showing no backup at all
https://goo.gl/maps/aH7suzp7owbTKWFF7
And one in Aug 2022
https://goo.gl/maps/8CxpT2xQXfyD2xDq8
Based on the angle of the sun, it appears to be about 2:30 PM in the first photo and 12 PM in the second. Neither is during rush hour.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: webny99 on September 16, 2022, 10:41:08 AM
Post by: webny99 on September 16, 2022, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on September 16, 2022, 09:53:09 AM
Chattanooga desperately needs a bypass -- not that it would be easy to build one. But a connection from I-24 around the state line east to hit I-75 could probably remove a good bit of the traffic that is funneled into that clogged stretch of interstate.
Any potential bypass would have to be entirely or almost entirely built in Georgia. There's really not much Tennessee can do on their side of the state line.
Another thought (acknowledging that this is fictional) would be a more direct connection between Dalton, GA and Cleveland, TN. This would remove a lot of the I-75 and Atlanta-Knoxville thru traffic from the Chattanooga area, like a slightly larger version of the Macon bypass.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on September 16, 2022, 11:26:45 AM
Post by: hbelkins on September 16, 2022, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on September 16, 2022, 09:53:09 AMQuote from: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/NjxcQaubw4ZjRnWV9
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
Chattanooga desperately needs a bypass -- not that it would be easy to build one. But a connection from I-24 around the state line east to hit I-75 could probably remove a good bit of the traffic that is funneled into that clogged stretch of interstate.
The last time I was in Chattanooga, I approached from the north via TN 111 and US 27. I needed to get over to US 11 on the northeast side of town. I can't remember the route I took but I wanted to avoid downtown and the hill climb on I-24. The route I ended up using was part surface route with signals, and part expressway with some grade separations. It functioned fairly well for what I needed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on September 16, 2022, 04:41:18 PM
Post by: froggie on September 16, 2022, 04:41:18 PM
^ Probably TN 153, which is freeway from just north of the river to I-75.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on September 17, 2022, 10:54:43 AM
Post by: roadman65 on September 17, 2022, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on September 16, 2022, 09:53:09 AMQuote from: roadman65 on September 16, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/NjxcQaubw4ZjRnWV9
What the hell happened here? The interchange was recently modified to help improve traffic, yet from this and my drive in TN in July, it seems to have put no dent at all in the ongoing traffic issues here.
They should have just left the equal split wye instead of spending millions to not help any more easement to this traffic nightmare.
Chattanooga desperately needs a bypass -- not that it would be easy to build one. But a connection from I-24 around the state line east to hit I-75 could probably remove a good bit of the traffic that is funneled into that clogged stretch of interstate.
Good luck on that. Georgia could care less about Tennessee. They've got their own problems further south.
I'm surprised that they actually maintain the four miles of I-24 in their state. I would figure that TDOT would do that being such a short distance of freeway between another state. I guess I-59 at 20 miles allows for that unlike I-684 in CT connecting to no roads in that state which is why NYSDOT maintains it across the border.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on September 17, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 17, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Is Georgia still coveting water from the Tennessee River?
A trade could be in order -- Tennessee tells Georgia it can have water withdrawal rights if it will build a Chattanooga bypass.
A trade could be in order -- Tennessee tells Georgia it can have water withdrawal rights if it will build a Chattanooga bypass.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tomahawkin on September 17, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
Post by: Tomahawkin on September 17, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
This maybe a fantasy land question but are there any plans of any semblance of a Chattanooga bypass. IH 24 is hell to get through if there is any type of accident between Chattanooga and Mounteagle. A lot of truck traffic and vacation traffic from the midwest en route to Florida have to go through Chattanooga....
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on September 17, 2022, 08:51:35 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on September 17, 2022, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 17, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
This maybe a fantasy land question but are there any plans of any semblance of a Chattanooga bypass. IH 24 is hell to get through if there is any type of accident between Chattanooga and Mounteagle. A lot of truck traffic and vacation traffic from the midwest en route to Florida have to go through Chattanooga....
It would be very difficult to build anything over Lookout Mountain, or tunnel through it, plus I'm sure the residents of that area would not like it one bit. But if by some miracle something does get built, it needs to start at the 24/59 interchange, be tolled, have a tunnel through the mountain, end in or just above Dalton on 75, and have only one interchange along the way at US 27.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 17, 2022, 09:53:21 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 17, 2022, 09:53:21 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on September 17, 2022, 08:51:35 PMQuote from: Tomahawkin on September 17, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
This maybe a fantasy land question but are there any plans of any semblance of a Chattanooga bypass. IH 24 is hell to get through if there is any type of accident between Chattanooga and Mounteagle. A lot of truck traffic and vacation traffic from the midwest en route to Florida have to go through Chattanooga....
It would be very difficult to build anything over Lookout Mountain, or tunnel through it, plus I'm sure the residents of that area would not like it one bit. But if by some miracle something does get built, it needs to start at the 24/59 interchange, be tolled, have a tunnel through the mountain, end in or just above Dalton on 75, and have only one interchange along the way at US 27.
I just use US 41 and avoid I-24 in this area.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on September 18, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on September 18, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
https://www.wvlt.tv/2022/09/13/sevier-co-mayor-works-create-solution-buc-ees-traffic/
Sevier County leaders are talking about solutions to the anticipation of a lot of people heading to Buc-ee's, creating a lot of traffic within that area.
Sevier County leaders are talking about solutions to the anticipation of a lot of people heading to Buc-ee's, creating a lot of traffic within that area.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on September 18, 2022, 08:36:07 PM
Post by: hbelkins on September 18, 2022, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 18, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
https://www.wvlt.tv/2022/09/13/sevier-co-mayor-works-create-solution-buc-ees-traffic/
Sevier County leaders are talking about solutions to the anticipation of a lot of people heading to Buc-ee's, creating a lot of traffic within that area.
Is the Buc-ee's going to be at Exit 407? There have already been two improvements to that interchange in the last 25 or so years. First they built a loop ramp from TN 66 north to I-40 west, then they converted the exit into a DDI.
The Kentucky Buc-ee's was built at a fairly new, rural interchange on I-75 that didn't get a lot of use. Concurrent with the arrival of the beaver, a signal was placed at the end of the ramp from southbound I-75, and at the street entrance to Buc-ee's.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: BlueRidge on September 19, 2022, 08:34:22 AM
Post by: BlueRidge on September 19, 2022, 08:34:22 AM
Yes, it's going on the plot of land on the southeast side of the exit that has long been graded and ready for development.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 21, 2022, 12:06:37 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 21, 2022, 12:06:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 17, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Is Georgia still coveting water from the Tennessee River?
A trade could be in order -- Tennessee tells Georgia it can have water withdrawal rights if it will build a Chattanooga bypass.
Heh, the same thought popped into my head.
I recall Georgia was trying to say a few years back that the border was surveyed wrong and it should touch the Tennessee River at some point thus giving them rights to pipe water from it down to Atlanta or whatever.
Oh the fun things that happen when silly humans draw straight lines on maps. :P
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 21, 2022, 10:29:05 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 21, 2022, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 21, 2022, 12:06:37 PMQuote from: hbelkins on September 17, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Is Georgia still coveting water from the Tennessee River?
A trade could be in order -- Tennessee tells Georgia it can have water withdrawal rights if it will build a Chattanooga bypass.
Heh, the same thought popped into my head.
I recall Georgia was trying to say a few years back that the border was surveyed wrong and it should touch the Tennessee River at some point thus giving them rights to pipe water from it down to Atlanta or whatever.
Oh the fun things that happen when silly humans draw straight lines on maps. :P
Then I guess that Tennessee should ask Kentucky for some land back that was surveyed incorrectly near Portland, TN.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 11:26:25 PM
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 21, 2022, 12:06:37 PMthe tripoint marker begs to differQuote from: hbelkins on September 17, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Is Georgia still coveting water from the Tennessee River?
A trade could be in order -- Tennessee tells Georgia it can have water withdrawal rights if it will build a Chattanooga bypass.
Heh, the same thought popped into my head.
I recall Georgia was trying to say a few years back that the border was surveyed wrong and it should touch the Tennessee River at some point thus giving them rights to pipe water from it down to Atlanta or whatever.
Oh the fun things that happen when silly humans draw straight lines on maps. :P
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: elsmere241 on September 22, 2022, 08:31:29 AM
Post by: elsmere241 on September 22, 2022, 08:31:29 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 21, 2022, 10:29:05 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on September 21, 2022, 12:06:37 PMQuote from: hbelkins on September 17, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Is Georgia still coveting water from the Tennessee River?
A trade could be in order -- Tennessee tells Georgia it can have water withdrawal rights if it will build a Chattanooga bypass.
Heh, the same thought popped into my head.
I recall Georgia was trying to say a few years back that the border was surveyed wrong and it should touch the Tennessee River at some point thus giving them rights to pipe water from it down to Atlanta or whatever.
Oh the fun things that happen when silly humans draw straight lines on maps. :P
Then I guess that Tennessee should ask Kentucky for some land back that was surveyed incorrectly near Portland, TN.
A good chunk of the Tennessee-Kentucky line was mis-surveyed in Tennessee's favor, along the Walker Line.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: rte66man on September 30, 2022, 09:44:40 AM
Post by: rte66man on September 30, 2022, 09:44:40 AM
From the Tennessee Lookout:
https://tennesseelookout.com/briefs/advisory-group-projects-looming-deficits-in-tennessee-road-and-highway-project-funding/
https://tennesseelookout.com/briefs/advisory-group-projects-looming-deficits-in-tennessee-road-and-highway-project-funding/
Quote
Advisory group projects looming deficits in Tennessee road and highway project funding
BY: ANITA WADHWANI - SEPTEMBER 29, 2022 7:15 AM
Higher road construction costs and the increased use of electric and fuel efficient vehicles will take an increasing bite out of revenues needed to keep Tennessee's public road and bridges repaired and replaced, a government advisory group told lawmakers Wednesday.
By 2040, 10% of all vehicles on Tennessee's roadways are projected to be electric. Those drivers won't be paying the state's gas tax, which has traditionally provided the bulk of funding for state and local road repair and construction projects.
At the same time, the average national vehicle fuel efficiency is expected to increase, from 23-miles-per-gallon today to 30-miles-per-gallon by 2040, further limiting consumers' fuel purchases – and the payment of fuel taxes.
Meanwhile, inflationary costs associated with roadwork are soaring; by 2040, at current rates of inflation, Tennessee will see a $399 million reduction in its gas tax spending power, according to the Tennessee Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations, or TACIR.
"While the growing adoption of EV's may not become a major issue for road funding in Tennessee for decades, it, along with changes in fuel economy, increasing inflation and decisions about the distribution of various fees points to a need for future modifications to Tennessee's road funding system," Bob Moreo, TACIR research manager told lawmakers.
TACIR provided initial recommendations for lawmakers to consider when the General Assembly reconvenes in January.
They include sharing the current $100 registration fee currently required from electric vehicle owners with city and county governments for their road work projects – a similar model to the revenue sharing with the state's fuel tax collections.
The advisory commission also recommends regular reporting by the Department of Revenue to the legislature tracking the impact of inflation on the state's road funding.
And, commission members urged lawmakers to focus on policies that balance the ability to raise revenues with equity for drivers, no matter what vehicle they drive.
Tennessee has 96,000 miles of public roads and 20,000 bridges. While the federal government provides state funding for road work, it is designated only for about 1/5 of all of the state's roads and highways. Road repair and building funding comes primarily from vehicle registration fees and the gas tax, paid by every consumer at the pump.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on October 02, 2022, 07:12:57 AM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on October 02, 2022, 07:12:57 AM
North Carolina and Tennessee are gonna have to come up with some pretty radical solutions. It seems like every time you hear about their funding situation always gets worse. Are there any current proposals to fix that?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 04, 2022, 12:31:14 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 04, 2022, 12:31:14 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 02, 2022, 07:12:57 AMDon't spend money when not needed.
North Carolina and Tennessee are gonna have to come up with some pretty radical solutions. It seems like every time you hear about their funding situation always gets worse. Are there any current proposals to fix that?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on November 09, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on November 09, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 02, 2022, 07:12:57 AMcompletely toll I-24, I-65, and I-40 throughout the volunteer state. have express lane tolls around the urban areas if need be and have electronic tolls for the stretches. have satellite tolls for the rest.
North Carolina and Tennessee are gonna have to come up with some pretty radical solutions. It seems like every time you hear about their funding situation always gets worse. Are there any current proposals to fix that?
either that or have some kind of extra tax on hybrid and electric vehicles, which i wouldn't recommend.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 09, 2022, 02:15:21 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 09, 2022, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on November 09, 2022, 02:00:33 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on October 02, 2022, 07:12:57 AMcompletely toll I-24, I-65, and I-40 throughout the volunteer state. have express lane tolls around the urban areas if need be and have electronic tolls for the stretches. have satellite tolls for the rest.
North Carolina and Tennessee are gonna have to come up with some pretty radical solutions. It seems like every time you hear about their funding situation always gets worse. Are there any current proposals to fix that?
either that or have some kind of extra tax on hybrid and electric vehicles, which i wouldn't recommend.
I could see express lanes working in Nashville if they are implemented correctly, but tolling the remainder of the interstates would be a non-starter. TDOT will hopefully be able to at least finish widening I-65 north from Nashville to Kentucky in the next 7 years or so.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tomahawkin on November 09, 2022, 06:52:17 PM
Post by: Tomahawkin on November 09, 2022, 06:52:17 PM
I think it's imperative for the Nashville area to have toll lanes simply to keep up with the growth and sprawl in the suburbs. Toll roads really help avoiding tie-ups during weekends and on Get-away days during the holidays. The Same issue is present in Arkansas because the state outlaws toll roads which is so backwards!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on November 27, 2022, 07:02:33 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on November 27, 2022, 07:02:33 AM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 17, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
This maybe a fantasy land question but are there any plans of any semblance of a Chattanooga bypass. IH 24 is hell to get through if there is any type of accident between Chattanooga and Mounteagle. A lot of truck traffic and vacation traffic from the midwest en route to Florida have to go through Chattanooga....
There's also a lot of traffic from the Northeast headed to the Gulf Coast states and Texas (and vice versa) avoiding the Megalopolis and Atlanta, following I-81, I-40, and I-75. I-24/59 is an important link.
The I-75/24 interchange in Chattanooga was clogged in the middle of the afternoon on a Tuesday when I was there. I-24 itself was kind of interesting by interstate standards. I would have enjoyed it more if it weren't for the truck traffic struggling up the incline (and one truck spilling its load of wood beams) as well as the sudden congestion creating white knuckle driving conditions.
The area could definitely use a bypass, with so much traffic coming through the area. But I imagine that the cost and complexity make it next to impossible. I also agree that Georgia has little incentive to invest large sums of money into a project that would benefit another state.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/toll-lanes-in-tennessee-state-leaders-considering-options-to-replace-declining-gas-tax-revenue/
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 30, 2022, 09:23:06 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 30, 2022, 09:23:06 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/toll-lanes-in-tennessee-state-leaders-considering-options-to-replace-declining-gas-tax-revenue/
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
I could see toll lanes working in the Nashville metro, but I don't know how it would help the downtown loop though with how scrunched up the interstates are to existing buildings.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2022, 09:33:15 AM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2022, 09:33:15 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on November 30, 2022, 09:23:06 AMIm just gonna say it. Bridges and tunnels. The rest of the world can do it. With tolls it should make it much more feasible.Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/toll-lanes-in-tennessee-state-leaders-considering-options-to-replace-declining-gas-tax-revenue/
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
I could see toll lanes working in the Nashville metro, but I don't know how it would help the downtown loop though with how scrunched up the interstates are to existing buildings.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on November 30, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on November 30, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2022, 09:33:15 AMQuote from: codyg1985 on November 30, 2022, 09:23:06 AMIm just gonna say it. Bridges and tunnels. The rest of the world can do it. With tolls it should make it much more feasible.Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/toll-lanes-in-tennessee-state-leaders-considering-options-to-replace-declining-gas-tax-revenue/
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
I could see toll lanes working in the Nashville metro, but I don't know how it would help the downtown loop though with how scrunched up the interstates are to existing buildings.
Maybe a I-635 Texpress style set of buried toll lanes through the downtown loop? I still wonder how the maintenance of traffic would happen if those were built through there with limited right of way.
I-24 between I-440 and US 231 in Murfreesboro I could see being an excellent candidate for the toll lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2022, 08:09:26 AM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2022, 08:09:26 AM
Apparently $26 billion is needed to bring highways up to par with traffic counts in Tennessee: https://www.wvlt.tv/2022/12/01/reducing-tennessee-traffic-comes-with-big-price-tag-tdot-says/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tomahawkin on December 01, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
Post by: Tomahawkin on December 01, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
This is interesting because it's going to be imperative if they are going to build a 3 billion dollar Stadium in Nashville. Nashville traffic will be on par with Atlanta if they keep neglecting the pending traffic issues in the area. Thank gawd IH 285 will have toll lanes in 7+ years because they are needed badly
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brooks on December 02, 2022, 10:46:43 PM
Post by: Brooks on December 02, 2022, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2022, 08:09:26 AMWelcome to Tennessee, where roads and transit take the backseat while taxpayer funds go toward a new stadium (which replaces one that is barely 20 years old!)
Apparently $26 billion is needed to bring highways up to par with traffic counts in Tennessee: https://www.wvlt.tv/2022/12/01/reducing-tennessee-traffic-comes-with-big-price-tag-tdot-says/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on December 20, 2022, 08:13:09 PM
Post by: Brian556 on December 20, 2022, 08:13:09 PM
Collegedale, TN: Truck transporting bridge beam for SR 317 (Apison Pike) was struck by a train, causing the train to derail
TDOT Facebook Post: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=534575158702465&set=a.239818314844819 (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=534575158702465&set=a.239818314844819)
Citizen Videos of accident: https://www.facebook.com/alfredo.fuentes.9678067/posts/pfbid02jVirGdxaC5x814dQaFT31mSssi1ZZ6zkc2CtZZTZQUnjh53m77gZEboh11nTkrGBl (https://www.facebook.com/alfredo.fuentes.9678067/posts/pfbid02jVirGdxaC5x814dQaFT31mSssi1ZZ6zkc2CtZZTZQUnjh53m77gZEboh11nTkrGBl)
(https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321244858_565888178736183_1933165609073142651_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=PJehewmi5nMAX_kjs3l&tn=fys_9jjorFqL8J0w&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00_AfAQW7qKetBYDyGjVy2qRNq75335DacX588YJMOCE_FJ7Q&oe=63A6CC8A)
TDOT Facebook Post: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=534575158702465&set=a.239818314844819 (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=534575158702465&set=a.239818314844819)
Citizen Videos of accident: https://www.facebook.com/alfredo.fuentes.9678067/posts/pfbid02jVirGdxaC5x814dQaFT31mSssi1ZZ6zkc2CtZZTZQUnjh53m77gZEboh11nTkrGBl (https://www.facebook.com/alfredo.fuentes.9678067/posts/pfbid02jVirGdxaC5x814dQaFT31mSssi1ZZ6zkc2CtZZTZQUnjh53m77gZEboh11nTkrGBl)
(https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321244858_565888178736183_1933165609073142651_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=PJehewmi5nMAX_kjs3l&tn=fys_9jjorFqL8J0w&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00_AfAQW7qKetBYDyGjVy2qRNq75335DacX588YJMOCE_FJ7Q&oe=63A6CC8A)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Brian556 on December 22, 2022, 01:15:38 PM
Post by: Brian556 on December 22, 2022, 01:15:38 PM
What font is used for the word "Tennessee" on the primary state route markers?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on December 22, 2022, 02:00:35 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on December 22, 2022, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 20, 2022, 08:13:09 PM
Collegedale, TN: Truck transporting bridge beam for SR 317 (Apison Pike) was struck by a train, causing the train to derail
TDOT Facebook Post: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=534575158702465&set=a.239818314844819 (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=534575158702465&set=a.239818314844819)
Citizen Videos of accident: https://www.facebook.com/alfredo.fuentes.9678067/posts/pfbid02jVirGdxaC5x814dQaFT31mSssi1ZZ6zkc2CtZZTZQUnjh53m77gZEboh11nTkrGBl (https://www.facebook.com/alfredo.fuentes.9678067/posts/pfbid02jVirGdxaC5x814dQaFT31mSssi1ZZ6zkc2CtZZTZQUnjh53m77gZEboh11nTkrGBl)
(https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321244858_565888178736183_1933165609073142651_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=PJehewmi5nMAX_kjs3l&tn=fys_9jjorFqL8J0w&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00_AfAQW7qKetBYDyGjVy2qRNq75335DacX588YJMOCE_FJ7Q&oe=63A6CC8A)
The SR 317 relocation project looks interesting, including a bridge over the railroad immediately next to some apartments. That bridge is where the beam which the train hit was headed.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on December 22, 2022, 08:00:43 PM
Post by: hbelkins on December 22, 2022, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 22, 2022, 01:15:38 PM
What font is used for the word "Tennessee" on the primary state route markers?
Originally it was Clarendon. The newer signs use some sort of thin san-serif font.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on December 22, 2022, 09:41:49 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on December 22, 2022, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/toll-lanes-in-tennessee-state-leaders-considering-options-to-replace-declining-gas-tax-revenue/
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
Our state leadership akinned a toll road as a fascist institution.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 23, 2022, 01:11:12 AM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 23, 2022, 01:11:12 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on December 22, 2022, 09:41:49 PMYou sure they didn't think of toll roads as being socialist institutions instead?Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 29, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/toll-lanes-in-tennessee-state-leaders-considering-options-to-replace-declining-gas-tax-revenue/
Toll lanes in Tennessee? State leaders considering options to replace declining gas tax revenue
Our state leadership akinned a toll road as a fascist institution.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on February 27, 2023, 03:21:59 AM
Post by: roadman65 on February 27, 2023, 03:21:59 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/QtfevRsYjJtWY6VH6
Found this non typical and non state produced and installed US 441 shield in Gatlinburg. Pretty neat looking.
Found this non typical and non state produced and installed US 441 shield in Gatlinburg. Pretty neat looking.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on March 06, 2023, 04:42:58 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 06, 2023, 04:42:58 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52729164309 The triangle shields I guess are the way Tennessee shields secondary, or routes that other states use blue pentagons in their signing?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Mapmikey on March 06, 2023, 06:40:37 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on March 06, 2023, 06:40:37 PM
Not really. Triangles were how state highways were signed until 1983 when they added many miles of routing and divided the system into state primary and state secondary. The secondary highways continued to use the triangle while the primary highways got a new shield which the TN 153 shield in your photo has.
They still sign with the different shields even though in recent years they ditched the primary/secondary delineation in their state highway system.
Some Tennessee counties use the blue pentagon for their county routes.
They still sign with the different shields even though in recent years they ditched the primary/secondary delineation in their state highway system.
Some Tennessee counties use the blue pentagon for their county routes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on March 06, 2023, 09:38:29 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on March 06, 2023, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 06, 2023, 06:40:37 PM
Not really. Triangles were how state highways were signed until 1983 when they added many miles of routing and divided the system into state primary and state secondary. The secondary highways continued to use the triangle while the primary highways got a new shield which the TN 153 shield in your photo has.
They still sign with the different shields even though in recent years they ditched the primary/secondary delineation in their state highway system.
Some Tennessee counties use the blue pentagon for their county routes.
Their definition of what constituted a primary highway was that it "primarily connects cities" . So essentially the major routes or shortest routes between county seats or other relevant cities were primary, and everything else was deemed to be secondary. At times you would have routes that flipped back and forth between primary and secondary. TN 46 is a good example of this, as it is secondary from its beginning at US 79 to Dickson (including across the Cumberland City Ferry), then it's primary from Dickson to the intersection with TN 100 and TN 7 in Bon Aqua, and then it's secondary again from TN 100 through Leiper's Fork to its ending at US 431 in the Grassland community north of Franklin.
And I am aware of only three counties that use the blue pentagon for their numbered county routes, and they are all in East Tennessee: Meigs, McMinn, and Monroe.
Also, if you look at various roads in rural Tennessee in Google Maps and you see a four digit designation on a rural road, either in a circle or a rectangle, and it's not in one of the three counties I mentioned, I guarantee you it isn't signed. It is most likely a state-aid designation that was given by the state for roads that they help with maintenance costs, such as bridges. For example, I used to live off of a roadway in Cheatham County that Google Maps shows as being designated "1948" in an oval. As far as I know, it has never been signed as such, and has always been referred to as Kingston Springs Rd. But it does have two bridges, one over a major CSX rail line and another over a large creek, that likely receives maintenance/inspections by TDOT, and it does receive salt treatments and plowing during snowy weather events, most likely also by TDOT.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on March 06, 2023, 11:48:56 PM
Post by: roadman65 on March 06, 2023, 11:48:56 PM
Thanks for the heads up ^^^^
https://goo.gl/maps/NHvJBZHkAxqhDZ8G7
https://goo.gl/maps/NXo7muAeErsrbF3G9
This here is awful. No mention of US 76 on the guide for Exit 1 on I-75.
https://goo.gl/maps/NHvJBZHkAxqhDZ8G7
https://goo.gl/maps/NXo7muAeErsrbF3G9
This here is awful. No mention of US 76 on the guide for Exit 1 on I-75.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 07, 2023, 08:14:58 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 07, 2023, 08:14:58 AM
If I remember correctly, US 76 was signed well enough along US 41 despite that. (If you do not include the odd western terminus that on maps coincides with the southern terminus of US 127)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 08:18:07 AM
Post by: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 08:18:07 AM
US 27 is also left off of guide signs at I-24 when you're heading southbound on old I-124. Your faced with both east and west I-24, but which way does US 27 SB go?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on March 07, 2023, 11:54:22 PM
Post by: hbelkins on March 07, 2023, 11:54:22 PM
Looks like a widening project on I-65 extending south of the Kentucky state line is coming along nicely. Are there any plans to widen the entire route on to Nashville?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on March 08, 2023, 07:04:49 AM
Post by: codyg1985 on March 08, 2023, 07:04:49 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 07, 2023, 11:54:22 PM
Looks like a widening project on I-65 extending south of the Kentucky state line is coming along nicely. Are there any plans to widen the entire route on to Nashville?
Yes, the plan is to eventually widen it all the way to Nashville. Here is TDOT's page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html) that talks more about it.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on March 09, 2023, 12:10:16 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on March 09, 2023, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on March 08, 2023, 07:04:49 AMQuote from: hbelkins on March 07, 2023, 11:54:22 PM
Looks like a widening project on I-65 extending south of the Kentucky state line is coming along nicely. Are there any plans to widen the entire route on to Nashville?
Yes, the plan is to eventually widen it all the way to Nashville. Here is TDOT's page (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-3/i-65-nashville-to-ky-state-line.html) that talks more about it.
And not a moment too soon!
The section between Exits 98 and 104 is going to be pure hell from a construction and traffic standpoint. The strong crosswinds issue already causes wrecks going southbound down the hill, but the prospect of cattle chutes and blasting will make things even worse. Once this section starts construction, I'd do everything in my power to try every single alternate route that exists. The best probably being cutting over to the west to US 41 and taking that down to US 31W and re-entering I-65 at Exit 98. The routes leading to 41 are all two lanes, but 41 itself is a nice four lanes with center left turn lane constructed in the late 80's/early 90's.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: ITB on March 31, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
Post by: ITB on March 31, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
Yesterday, March 30th, the Tennessee General Assembly passed a large $3.3 billion transportation bill. It now goes to Governor Bill Lee for his signature.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2023/3/30/tn-general-assembly-passes-gov--lee-s-landmark-transportation-bill.html
Here's a bit more about the bill:
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/build-with-us/2023%20Transportation%20Modernization%20Act%20one-pager.pdf
One of the pertinent sections of the above is as follows:
"The proposed Transportation Modernization Act will provide the state with innovative tools to address traffic congestion, especially in our urban areas, freeing up additional dollars to invest in our rural and suburban communities, all without raising the gas tax or taking on transportation debt."
Hmm. OK. Looks like TDOT will be pursing 3P projects for the construction of additional interstates lanes, which they will call "Choice Lanes." Also, they will be taking a hard look at how to address "parity" between electric and hybrid vehicles and combustion engine vehicles, in terms of each contributing a fair share to road and infrastructure costs. This seems to imply a fee of some sorts will be applied to electric and hybrid vehicles.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2023/3/30/tn-general-assembly-passes-gov--lee-s-landmark-transportation-bill.html
Here's a bit more about the bill:
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/build-with-us/2023%20Transportation%20Modernization%20Act%20one-pager.pdf
One of the pertinent sections of the above is as follows:
"The proposed Transportation Modernization Act will provide the state with innovative tools to address traffic congestion, especially in our urban areas, freeing up additional dollars to invest in our rural and suburban communities, all without raising the gas tax or taking on transportation debt."
Hmm. OK. Looks like TDOT will be pursing 3P projects for the construction of additional interstates lanes, which they will call "Choice Lanes." Also, they will be taking a hard look at how to address "parity" between electric and hybrid vehicles and combustion engine vehicles, in terms of each contributing a fair share to road and infrastructure costs. This seems to imply a fee of some sorts will be applied to electric and hybrid vehicles.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on March 31, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on March 31, 2023, 05:55:38 PM
Whatever they do they need to show Memphis some love and replace the bridges and upgrade Lamar Ave.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on March 31, 2023, 09:06:32 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on March 31, 2023, 09:06:32 PM
Looks like the bill got broad support. I wonder what exactly this looks like out there in the coming years.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on May 01, 2023, 06:32:49 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on May 01, 2023, 06:32:49 PM
Tennessee will soon be adding congestion-based toll lanes.
https://www.governing.com/community/highway-congestion-toll-lanes-tennessee
https://www.governing.com/community/highway-congestion-toll-lanes-tennessee
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 01, 2023, 06:41:40 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 01, 2023, 06:41:40 PM
Where might the toll lanes be constructed first? I would imagine either in Memphis or Nashville, since they may not be needed in Knoxville or Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: MikeTheActuary on May 01, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
Post by: MikeTheActuary on May 01, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
Assuming tolling of the Lexus lanes is backed up by cameras, I wonder if the state legislature will remember they have this law on the books: https://casetext.com/statute/tennessee-code/title-55-motor-and-other-vehicles/chapter-8-operation-of-vehicles-rules-of-the-road/part-1-operation-of-vehicles-rules-of-the-road/section-55-8-198-citations-based-on-unmanned-traffic-enforcement-cameras
(Currently, there's no practical consequence for ignoring tickets issued because of red light or speed cameras in TN.)
(Currently, there's no practical consequence for ignoring tickets issued because of red light or speed cameras in TN.)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on May 01, 2023, 07:14:43 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on May 01, 2023, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 01, 2023, 06:41:40 PMI would imagine conversion of the existing HOV lanes in Nashville... however this bill does not seem to support HO/T lanes, which allow HOV-2+ to drive for free. That would be needed to make this more fair, otherwise you're taking away an existing free HOV lane from carpoolers, and likely increasing congestion further when they opt to not pay.
Where might the toll lanes be constructed first? I would imagine either in Memphis or Nashville, since they may not be needed in Knoxville or Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on May 02, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
Post by: froggie on May 02, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on May 01, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
Assuming tolling of the Lexus lanes is backed up by cameras, I wonder if the state legislature will remember they have this law on the books: https://casetext.com/statute/tennessee-code/title-55-motor-and-other-vehicles/chapter-8-operation-of-vehicles-rules-of-the-road/part-1-operation-of-vehicles-rules-of-the-road/section-55-8-198-citations-based-on-unmanned-traffic-enforcement-cameras
(Currently, there's no practical consequence for ignoring tickets issued because of red light or speed cameras in TN.)
Reading through the bill text (https://publications.tnsosfiles.com/acts/113/pub/pc0159.pdf), it looks like the Legislature modified 55-8-198 so that vehicle owners who rack up 3 or more violations within 12 months will have their vehicle registration suspended.
Not much of a "practical consequence", but it's there...
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on May 02, 2023, 01:11:11 PM
Post by: hbelkins on May 02, 2023, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 02, 2023, 09:15:11 AMQuote from: MikeTheActuary on May 01, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
Assuming tolling of the Lexus lanes is backed up by cameras, I wonder if the state legislature will remember they have this law on the books: https://casetext.com/statute/tennessee-code/title-55-motor-and-other-vehicles/chapter-8-operation-of-vehicles-rules-of-the-road/part-1-operation-of-vehicles-rules-of-the-road/section-55-8-198-citations-based-on-unmanned-traffic-enforcement-cameras
(Currently, there's no practical consequence for ignoring tickets issued because of red light or speed cameras in TN.)
Reading through the bill text (https://publications.tnsosfiles.com/acts/113/pub/pc0159.pdf), it looks like the Legislature modified 55-8-198 so that vehicle owners who rack up 3 or more violations within 12 months will have their vehicle registration suspended.
Not much of a "practical consequence", but it's there...
You mean I can ignore those scary red-light camera messages next time I'm on Stone Drive (US 11W) in Kingsport? Yee haw!
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 05, 2023, 02:31:58 PM
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 05, 2023, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 01, 2023, 07:14:43 PMpersonally i welcome the idea of toll lanes, they need express toll lanes along the 3 major interstates in tennessee, I-40, I-65 and I-24, to give people a option thats less full of trucks. especially I-40 along the entire length, given its a massive truck route. tennessee has always been behind the times because for whatever reason tennessee has hated leasing out infrastructure to the private sector.Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 01, 2023, 06:41:40 PMI would imagine conversion of the existing HOV lanes in Nashville... however this bill does not seem to support HO/T lanes, which allow HOV-2+ to drive for free. That would be needed to make this more fair, otherwise you're taking away an existing free HOV lane from carpoolers, and likely increasing congestion further when they opt to not pay.
Where might the toll lanes be constructed first? I would imagine either in Memphis or Nashville, since they may not be needed in Knoxville or Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 05, 2023, 03:24:22 PM
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 05, 2023, 03:24:22 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PMtrue. its why dual express toll lanes should be a thing.
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on July 05, 2023, 09:21:53 PM
Post by: froggie on July 05, 2023, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Most normal people using said express toll lane would be doing so because traffic in the regular lanes is going a good bit less than 65.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 11:53:28 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 11:53:28 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 05, 2023, 09:21:53 PMI was referring to if they implemented rural express lanes for hundreds of miles on I-40, like he suggested. Not in congested urban areas.Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Most normal people using said express toll lane would be doing so because traffic in the regular lanes is going a good bit less than 65.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 07, 2023, 09:19:45 PM
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 07, 2023, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 11:53:28 PMwhich is understandable. I-40 is a major east-west truck corridor, so i imagine express toll lanes would be used by travelers, RVs and commuters for the most part, truckers will probably use the general purpose lanes.Quote from: froggie on July 05, 2023, 09:21:53 PMI was referring to if they implemented rural express lanes for hundreds of miles on I-40, like he suggested. Not in congested urban areas.Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Most normal people using said express toll lane would be doing so because traffic in the regular lanes is going a good bit less than 65.
plus it could split up traffic indirectly.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 07, 2023, 10:36:19 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 07, 2023, 10:36:19 PM
I'm sure there will eventually be express toll lanes in Nashville, but what about Memphis? Could express toll lanes be built there (I doubt express toll lanes will ever be needed anywhere else in the state)?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 07, 2023, 11:18:54 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 07, 2023, 11:18:54 PM
Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on July 07, 2023, 09:19:45 PMRVs... yeah I can easily see an RV fluctuating between 55 and 75 mph in a single lane toll lane with traffic aggressively stacking up behind with zero passing zones. Let alone a driver not paying attention to speed. Terrible idea.Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 11:53:28 PMwhich is understandable. I-40 is a major east-west truck corridor, so i imagine express toll lanes would be used by travelers, RVs and commuters for the most part, truckers will probably use the general purpose lanes.Quote from: froggie on July 05, 2023, 09:21:53 PMI was referring to if they implemented rural express lanes for hundreds of miles on I-40, like he suggested. Not in congested urban areas.Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Most normal people using said express toll lane would be doing so because traffic in the regular lanes is going a good bit less than 65.
plus it could split up traffic indirectly.
I already take some issue with urban single toll lanes that aren't at least two lanes, I could not see it viable in rural areas with higher speeds of traffic.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 08, 2023, 04:56:28 AM
Post by: civilengineeringnerd on July 08, 2023, 04:56:28 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 07, 2023, 11:18:54 PMall the reason why dual toll lanes might be better. plus theres always gonna be a grandma driving in a old lincoln town car doing 55 on the interstate.Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on July 07, 2023, 09:19:45 PMRVs... yeah I can easily see an RV fluctuating between 55 and 75 mph in a single lane toll lane with traffic aggressively stacking up behind with zero passing zones. Let alone a driver not paying attention to speed. Terrible idea.Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 11:53:28 PMwhich is understandable. I-40 is a major east-west truck corridor, so i imagine express toll lanes would be used by travelers, RVs and commuters for the most part, truckers will probably use the general purpose lanes.Quote from: froggie on July 05, 2023, 09:21:53 PMI was referring to if they implemented rural express lanes for hundreds of miles on I-40, like he suggested. Not in congested urban areas.Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
A single express toll lanes becomes a problem when you have one car that's going 65 mph the whole time, and a whole queue stacks behind for miles without any passing allowance.
Most normal people using said express toll lane would be doing so because traffic in the regular lanes is going a good bit less than 65.
plus it could split up traffic indirectly.
I already take some issue with urban single toll lanes that aren't at least two lanes, I could not see it viable in rural areas with higher speeds of traffic.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on July 08, 2023, 10:35:29 AM
Post by: sprjus4 on July 08, 2023, 10:35:29 AM
^ Traditional 6 lane widening would address many of the issues along major freight corridors like I-40. There's not enough traffic volume overall to warrant 8 lanes, the highway almost operates adequately with just 4 lanes, the concentration of slow moving trucks is the issue a third lane would alleviate.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: lordsutch on July 18, 2023, 01:06:18 PM
Post by: lordsutch on July 18, 2023, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 07, 2023, 10:36:19 PM
I'm sure there will eventually be express toll lanes in Nashville, but what about Memphis? Could express toll lanes be built there (I doubt express toll lanes will ever be needed anywhere else in the state)?
The congestion studies (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/government/g/planning-studies/congestion-study.html) appendix for Memphis showed the HOV lanes on I-40 being replaced with two reversible managed express lanes.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2023, 03:41:25 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2023, 03:41:25 PM
I see they are planning to add a bunch of ramp meters to on-ramps within the Memphis area. Are ramps meters common in Tennessee?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on July 19, 2023, 06:32:30 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on July 19, 2023, 06:32:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2023, 03:41:25 PM
I see they are planning to add a bunch of ramp meters to on-ramps within the Memphis area. Are ramps meters common in Tennessee?
AFAIK these will probably be the first. But they just recently finished the I-24 Smart Corridor between Nashville and Murfreesboro, and it might have ramp meters now. I haven't been on I-24 in the Nashville area since last fall.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tomahawkin on July 19, 2023, 02:11:05 PM
Post by: Tomahawkin on July 19, 2023, 02:11:05 PM
IMO, ramp meters do little to alleviate traffic issues especially when the interchange is antiquated. The Atlanta area is full of said interchanges. I have the same opinion in the usage of DDI's. They don't do much to help interchanges that have excessive traffic volumes
The Nashville area will soon find that out. It seems that there are several antiquated interchanges inside of the 840 corridor?
The Nashville area will soon find that out. It seems that there are several antiquated interchanges inside of the 840 corridor?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on July 19, 2023, 02:25:27 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on July 19, 2023, 02:25:27 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on July 19, 2023, 06:32:30 AMQuote from: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2023, 03:41:25 PM
I see they are planning to add a bunch of ramp meters to on-ramps within the Memphis area. Are ramps meters common in Tennessee?
AFAIK these will probably be the first. But they just recently finished the I-24 Smart Corridor between Nashville and Murfreesboro, and it might have ramp meters now. I haven't been on I-24 in the Nashville area since last fall.
No ramp meters along I-24 yet. The second phase of the Smart Corridor project installed the lane control and variable speed limit signs.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on August 02, 2023, 04:17:56 PM
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on August 02, 2023, 04:17:56 PM
Does anyone know if there are any plans in the works to reconstruct the Western I-75/I-40 Interchange Split? The curves on the flyovers are awfully sharp IMO.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on August 02, 2023, 04:23:38 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on August 02, 2023, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on August 02, 2023, 04:17:56 PM
Does anyone know if there are any plans in the works to reconstruct the Western I-75/I-40 Interchange Split? The curves on the flyovers are awfully sharp IMO.
Not that I am aware, but IMO they should extend the fourth lane of the I-40/75 concurrency from TN 131 west to the western split. They may also want to consider braided ramps between the Watt Road interchange and the I-40/75 split since lots of trucks head for the truck stops off of that interchange and there isn't much weaving room (3/4 of a mile) between the interchanges.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 03, 2023, 11:53:07 AM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 03, 2023, 11:53:07 AM
The only modification I think should be made is widening the Interstate 40 West/Interstate 75 North/Interstate 640 East ramp from one lane to two, if such an expansion is warranted.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on August 03, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on August 03, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 02, 2023, 04:23:38 PMQuote from: Georgia Guardrail on August 02, 2023, 04:17:56 PM
Does anyone know if there are any plans in the works to reconstruct the Western I-75/I-40 Interchange Split? The curves on the flyovers are awfully sharp IMO.
Not that I am aware, but IMO they should extend the fourth lane of the I-40/75 concurrency from TN 131 west to the western split. They may also want to consider braided ramps between the Watt Road interchange and the I-40/75 split since lots of trucks head for the truck stops off of that interchange and there isn't much weaving room (3/4 of a mile) between the interchanges.
I'm thinking the fourth lane expansion may be on the books, as well as a six lane widening of I-75 down to at least US 321, if not to TN 72. And yes, braided ramps for the Watt Rd exit are definitely needed, as well as a rebuild of the Watt Rd overpass. Or as an alternative, they could widen the median west of Watt Rd and build a set of median on and off ramps to serve traffic coming from 40 east and going to 75 south, which would eliminate the need for the lane changes. Sure, left exits and entrances should be discouraged, but there is enough room here to make them longer than usual to encourage slowing down or speeding up.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: bwana39 on August 05, 2023, 04:25:56 PM
Post by: bwana39 on August 05, 2023, 04:25:56 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on July 19, 2023, 02:11:05 PM
IMO, ramp meters do little to alleviate traffic issues especially when the interchange is antiquated. The Atlanta area is full of said interchanges. I have the same opinion in the usage of DDI's. They don't do much to help interchanges that have excessive traffic volumes
The Nashville area will soon find that out. It seems that there are several antiquated interchanges inside of the 840 corridor?
Texas took all of their ramp meters out decades ago. All they did was cause rear end collisions.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on August 05, 2023, 06:38:45 PM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on August 05, 2023, 06:38:45 PM
I think there's a Goldilocks zone so to speak where ramp meters help but it isn't often. It seems like when congestion gets too bad in California they just get turned off because they don't do any good. When traffic is completely free flowing there's no need for them either.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: codyg1985 on September 12, 2023, 03:04:46 PM
Post by: codyg1985 on September 12, 2023, 03:04:46 PM
TDOT has a project on its October letting to reconfigure the I-75 interchange at Hamilton Place Mall in Chattanooga.
More info about this project can be found here (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-2/i-75-interchange-modifications.html).
More info about this project can be found here (https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/region-2/i-75-interchange-modifications.html).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 04:25:23 AM
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 04:25:23 AM
Does anyone know why TN 58 heading south from TN 153 in Chattanooga is not mentioned on the Exit 6 guide sign on the freeway? Amnicola Highway is listed as TN 319 Northbound instead.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53281577026/in/dateposted-public/
I always thought that TN 319 begins from TN 58 at the intersection of Amnicola Hwy and Dupont Parkway just north of the college.
Here according to GSV imagery https://maps.app.goo.gl/RifztXhttCRQMxyf6
it has TN 58 greened out for SB Amnicola Highway and replaced again with SR 319 for NB.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53281577026/in/dateposted-public/
I always thought that TN 319 begins from TN 58 at the intersection of Amnicola Hwy and Dupont Parkway just north of the college.
Here according to GSV imagery https://maps.app.goo.gl/RifztXhttCRQMxyf6
it has TN 58 greened out for SB Amnicola Highway and replaced again with SR 319 for NB.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Mapmikey on October 24, 2023, 06:31:30 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on October 24, 2023, 06:31:30 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 04:25:23 AM
Does anyone know why TN 58 heading south from TN 153 in Chattanooga is not mentioned on the Exit 6 guide sign on the freeway? Amnicola Highway is listed as TN 319 Northbound instead.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53281577026/in/dateposted-public/
I always thought that TN 319 begins from TN 58 at the intersection of Amnicola Hwy and Dupont Parkway just north of the college.
Here according to GSV imagery https://maps.app.goo.gl/RifztXhttCRQMxyf6
it has TN 58 greened out for SB Amnicola Highway and replaced again with SR 319 for NB.
TN 58 no longer exists between 20th St (US 11-64) Chattanooga and TN 153. It is an odd thing to have done without renumbering TN 58 south of Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 07:08:56 AM
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 07:08:56 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 24, 2023, 06:31:30 AMQuote from: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 04:25:23 AM
Does anyone know why TN 58 heading south from TN 153 in Chattanooga is not mentioned on the Exit 6 guide sign on the freeway? Amnicola Highway is listed as TN 319 Northbound instead.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53281577026/in/dateposted-public/
I always thought that TN 319 begins from TN 58 at the intersection of Amnicola Hwy and Dupont Parkway just north of the college.
Here according to GSV imagery https://maps.app.goo.gl/RifztXhttCRQMxyf6
it has TN 58 greened out for SB Amnicola Highway and replaced again with SR 319 for NB.
TN 58 no longer exists between 20th St (US 11-64) Chattanooga and TN 153. It is an odd thing to have done without renumbering TN 58 south of Chattanooga.
TN 17 should be renumbered to be TN 58 then.
Also the Goog needs to update its maps plus someone on here with access to Wikipedia should redo the article on TN 58.
Also does TDOT ever plan to build the extension of TN 319 north of TN 153? I assume it's to bypass both Middle Valley and Lakeside of which Hixson Pike does not.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on October 24, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
Post by: froggie on October 24, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 07:08:56 AM
Also does TDOT ever plan to build the extension of TN 319 north of TN 153? I assume it's to bypass both Middle Valley and Lakeside of which Hixson Pike does not.
That ghost end has existed for decades. The residential in the way of an extension has existed about as long (if not longer). Given that, it's safe to say an extension will never see the light of day.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 09:40:05 AM
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 24, 2023, 07:56:26 AMQuote from: roadman65 on October 24, 2023, 07:08:56 AM
Also does TDOT ever plan to build the extension of TN 319 north of TN 153? I assume it's to bypass both Middle Valley and Lakeside of which Hixson Pike does not.
That ghost end has existed for decades. The residential in the way of an extension has existed about as long (if not longer). Given that, it's safe to say an extension will never see the light of day.
I saw that in Satellite imagery. I was wondering why they have that diamond configuration when they would have to demolish homes to extend the road if needed.
IMO, I think US 27 already bypasses Middle Valley and Lakeside. To built another freeway would be redundant.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: roadman65 on October 25, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
Post by: roadman65 on October 25, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/N9Q3A1ccG1pN3KAz6
I found this assembly at the other SR 58 alignment. It's signed, though, with the triangle shield. It shows it northward to US 11/41/64/72 as concurrent with SR 17.
This is why TN 17 should be remembered to SR 58 up to SR 153. Let SR 17 be truncated to here and be the connection to GA Hwy 180.
I found this assembly at the other SR 58 alignment. It's signed, though, with the triangle shield. It shows it northward to US 11/41/64/72 as concurrent with SR 17.
This is why TN 17 should be remembered to SR 58 up to SR 153. Let SR 17 be truncated to here and be the connection to GA Hwy 180.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 15, 2023, 12:45:46 PM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 15, 2023, 12:45:46 PM
Well the toll lanes proposal isn't looking very promising and to top it off state officials are calling them "choice lanes." For fucks sake, just call them what they are, toll lanes. I hate it when people try to butter things up and borderline lie to the public. Anyways I thought this article was interesting:
- https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/state-report-finds-plan-to-bring-choice-lanes-to-tn-comes-with-risks/
Quote"Management gave the example from Murfreesboro to Nashville as too difficult to complete," the report's authors wrote.
Despite studying the possibility of bringing choice lanes to cities like Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga and Knoxville, the report concluded that may not be possible.
- https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/state-report-finds-plan-to-bring-choice-lanes-to-tn-comes-with-risks/
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 19, 2023, 08:20:28 PM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 19, 2023, 08:20:28 PM
Tennessee has released their first ever 10 year plan: https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2023/12/18/tennessee-unveils-state-s-first-ever-10-year-fiscally-constrained-transportation-project-plan.html
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: I-39 on December 21, 2023, 10:21:55 AM
Post by: I-39 on December 21, 2023, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 19, 2023, 08:20:28 PM
Tennessee has released their first ever 10 year plan: https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2023/12/18/tennessee-unveils-state-s-first-ever-10-year-fiscally-constrained-transportation-project-plan.html
Good to see the US 31 widening between I-840 and Duplex in Thompson's Station/Spring Hill on the list. That is one of the most significant bottlenecks in the region.
Thompson's Station/Spring Hill/Columbia are among the fastest growing areas within the Nashville MSA and have been largely neglected by TDOT. They also need to address the stretch of I-65 between I-840 and SR 396.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 09, 2024, 08:59:36 PM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 09, 2024, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: I-39 on December 21, 2023, 10:21:55 AMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on December 19, 2023, 08:20:28 PM
Tennessee has released their first ever 10 year plan: https://www.tn.gov/tdot/news/2023/12/18/tennessee-unveils-state-s-first-ever-10-year-fiscally-constrained-transportation-project-plan.html
Good to see the US 31 widening between I-840 and Duplex in Thompson's Station/Spring Hill on the list. That is one of the most significant bottlenecks in the region.
Thompson's Station/Spring Hill/Columbia are among the fastest growing areas within the Nashville MSA and have been largely neglected by TDOT. They also need to address the stretch of I-65 between I-840 and SR 396.
That is horrible news. There is already a by-pass of the area, it is called I-65. The US 31/SR 6 stretch through the area is scenic and has a semi-rural character and charm to it. The area will look horrible if SR 6 (US 31) is widened. Look at the former scenic SSR 266, Sam Ridley Pkwy in Smyrna, it is now drab and looks nothing like it did in the past. Not only that, the traffic is much worse now with the winding than previous.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2024, 01:58:36 AM
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2024, 01:58:36 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 09, 2024, 08:59:36 PMNot sure the intent of widening US-31 is to be a "bypass"... it's to keep up with the growth patterns in that area. With those neighborhoods and development popping up left and right, keeping US-31 to two lanes will only cause congestion to worsen. Widen now before the growth comes, that way there's room to accommodate increased traffic. I see no issues with this proposal. Good job Tennessee.
That is horrible news. There is already a by-pass of the area, it is called I-65. The US 31/SR 6 stretch through the area is scenic and has a semi-rural character and charm to it. The area will look horrible if SR 6 (US 31) is widened.
QuoteI'm sure it was the widening that caused the increased traffic... not the significant growth around the area. /s
Look at the former scenic SSR 266, Sam Ridley Pkwy in Smyrna, it is now drab and looks nothing like it did in the past. Not only that, the traffic is much worse now with the winding than previous.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Plutonic Panda on January 10, 2024, 04:23:07 AM
Post by: Plutonic Panda on January 10, 2024, 04:23:07 AM
Isn't it amazing every time you hear the induced demand crap they always conveniently leave out how the areas these wider roads are built in are already growing and probably needed it long ago in some cases.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on January 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on January 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
I know back in the 1980s, downtown I-75 in Knoxville was redesignated as I-275 and then I-75 was rerouted to merge with I-640 on the west side until they both intersected with I-40. Problem is for drivers going north on I-75, they have only *one* lane on the north split flyover ramp at the I-640/I-275/I-75 interchange.
I personally think they should widen the I-75 NB flyover ramp to 2 lanes since it is part of the interstate now. Either that or go back to the original designation of I-75 going straight downtown. Not really sure what the benefit was of that redesignation in the first place.
Thoughts?
I personally think they should widen the I-75 NB flyover ramp to 2 lanes since it is part of the interstate now. Either that or go back to the original designation of I-75 going straight downtown. Not really sure what the benefit was of that redesignation in the first place.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Tom958 on January 12, 2024, 09:18:08 PM
Post by: Tom958 on January 12, 2024, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on January 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
I know back in the 1980s, downtown I-75 in Knoxville was redesignated as I-275 and then I-75 was rerouted to merge with I-640 on the west side until they both intersected with I-40. Problem is for drivers going north on I-75, they have only *one* lane on the north split flyover ramp at the I-640/I-275/I-75 interchange.
I personally think they should widen the I-75 NB flyover ramp to 2 lanes since it is part of the interstate now. Either that or go back to the original designation of I-75 going straight downtown. Not really sure what the benefit was of that redesignation in the first place.
Thoughts?
The I-640 route is two miles shorter than the I-275 route, as well as removing through traffic from downtown.
I think that ramp should be two lanes, too. I was preparing to say that a more elaborate arrangement would be required for the weaving section on I-75 between the end of the ramp and the Merchant Drive exit, but maybe not, at least not right off. the ramp from westbound I-640 would have to merge into the newly-two-lane ramp rather than adding a lane of its own as it does now.
In an ideal world, there'd be an unTOTSO interchange with I-75 having its own curving mainline through the interchange, like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4625633,-112.0376808,820m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu). That'll never happen, though.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on January 13, 2024, 02:05:42 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on January 13, 2024, 02:05:42 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on January 12, 2024, 09:18:08 PMQuote from: Georgia Guardrail on January 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
I know back in the 1980s, downtown I-75 in Knoxville was redesignated as I-275 and then I-75 was rerouted to merge with I-640 on the west side until they both intersected with I-40. Problem is for drivers going north on I-75, they have only *one* lane on the north split flyover ramp at the I-640/I-275/I-75 interchange.
I personally think they should widen the I-75 NB flyover ramp to 2 lanes since it is part of the interstate now. Either that or go back to the original designation of I-75 going straight downtown. Not really sure what the benefit was of that redesignation in the first place.
Thoughts?
The I-640 route is two miles shorter than the I-275 route, as well as removing through traffic from downtown.
I think that ramp should be two lanes, too. I was preparing to say that a more elaborate arrangement would be required for the weaving section on I-75 between the end of the ramp and the Merchant Drive exit, but maybe not, at least not right off. the ramp from westbound I-640 would have to merge into the newly-two-lane ramp rather than adding a lane of its own as it does now.
In an ideal world, there'd be an unTOTSO interchange with I-75 having its own curving mainline through the interchange, like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4625633,-112.0376808,820m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu). That'll never happen, though.
The rerouting occurred when that particular stretch of 640 west of 75 opened in the very early 80's. The 40/275 interchange was rebuilt from an ancient substandard cloverleaf to the current directional T plus extra ramps configuration in preparation for the 1982 World's Fair (which was the last time Knoxville was ever relevant for anything aside from UT winning the 1998 NCAA football championship). However a couple of the flyovers leading to/from Henley St. weren't completed until the 90's, and were Evil Knieval ramps throughout the 80's.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: elsmere241 on January 13, 2024, 08:52:27 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on January 13, 2024, 08:52:27 PM
We lived in Nashville from 1975 to 1982, and after moving (to Newark, DE) made many visits back there. This necessitated going through/around Knoxville. My parents called 640 the "Jake Butcher Expressway".
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 14, 2024, 03:49:31 PM
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 14, 2024, 03:49:31 PM
One highway in Knoxville I find that stands out to me is the James White Parkway. The southern terminus at Sevierville Pike is a stub end. Obviously it was originally planned to go further, and I don't think the presence of South Doyle Middle School was the only barrier preventing a southern extension of the JWP. Was the JWP planned to originally terminate at US 441, or was it planned to go further than 441?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2024, 07:29:33 PM
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2024, 07:29:33 PM
The extension proposal as it existed when it was killed in 2013 had it terminating at 441 near Sevier Hwy (TN 168).
The Middle School wasn't really a factor as the plan was to curve it north(east) of the school. The main barrier was the impacts to the Knoxville Urban Wilderness...a protected parkland.
The Middle School wasn't really a factor as the plan was to curve it north(east) of the school. The main barrier was the impacts to the Knoxville Urban Wilderness...a protected parkland.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: index on January 30, 2024, 01:28:08 PM
Post by: index on January 30, 2024, 01:28:08 PM
Is the recent snowstorm the cause of all the massive craters all over Tennessee's Interstates right now? I had no idea they could do that if so. The ones on I-40 in West Tennessee were so bad I had to get a new alignment. I was holding the steering wheel like ten degrees to the right to keep straight by the time I reached the Missouri Bootheel on this trip I just took.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: hbelkins on January 30, 2024, 06:20:22 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 30, 2024, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: index on January 30, 2024, 01:28:08 PM
Is the recent snowstorm the cause of all the massive craters all over Tennessee's Interstates right now? I had no idea they could do that if so. The ones on I-40 in West Tennessee were so bad I had to get a new alignment. I was holding the steering wheel like ten degrees to the right to keep straight by the time I reached the Missouri Bootheel on this trip I just took.
Probably just freeze-thaw cycles in general, and not the snowstorm in particular.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 01, 2024, 10:20:19 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 01, 2024, 10:20:19 AM
That and a good ol' fashioned pounding by thousands of trucks.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: MikieTimT on February 01, 2024, 11:44:10 AM
Post by: MikieTimT on February 01, 2024, 11:44:10 AM
The DOTs in general don't spend time drizzling tar into the cracks anymore like they used to. That allows water ingress, which when frozen like it was a couple of weeks ago, forces the cracks wider. Then the thaw melted the ice and then there's a void left behind in the pavement, which quickly gets crushed down by trucks, developing into potholes. Most of the DOTs are scrambling nationwide right now to patch like mad as there's some lanes of Interstates having to close down due to damaged pavement and even some bridge decks.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2024, 09:30:12 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2024, 09:30:12 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on February 01, 2024, 11:44:10 AM
The DOTs in general don't spend time drizzling tar into the cracks anymore like they used to.
But up here, where a lot of routine maintenance is delegated to the counties, you absolutely still see this exercise in futility.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Post by: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Tennessee is finally eliminating the 65 mph / 55 mph truck speed limit on I-81 south of Bristol. The speed limit will be increased next week to 70 mph for all vehicles.
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Tennessee is finally eliminating the 65 mph / 55 mph truck speed limit on I-81 south of Bristol. The speed limit will be increased next week to 70 mph for all vehicles.
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
It was all done in an effort to get the air quality in EPA compliance for the metro areas where it wasn't in compliance. Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Memphis metro areas also had these ridiculous speed limit decreases, while Nashville instead expanded emissions testing to the outlying counties so their speed limits never went down from 70 to 65 once you entered an outlying county. I know that Metro Knoxville has raised their limits back to 70, but I can't remember whether or not Chattanooga or Memphis have done the same.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Rothman on February 29, 2024, 06:09:12 PM
Post by: Rothman on February 29, 2024, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PM*citation needed*Quote from: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Tennessee is finally eliminating the 65 mph / 55 mph truck speed limit on I-81 south of Bristol. The speed limit will be increased next week to 70 mph for all vehicles.
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
It was all done in an effort to get the air quality in EPA compliance for the metro areas where it wasn't in compliance. Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Memphis metro areas also had these ridiculous speed limit decreases, while Nashville instead expanded emissions testing to the outlying counties so their speed limits never went down from 70 to 65 once you entered an outlying county. I know that Metro Knoxville has raised their limits back to 70, but I can't remember whether or not Chattanooga or Memphis have done the same.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 29, 2024, 06:09:12 PM:rolleyes:Quote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PM*citation needed*Quote from: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Tennessee is finally eliminating the 65 mph / 55 mph truck speed limit on I-81 south of Bristol. The speed limit will be increased next week to 70 mph for all vehicles.
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
It was all done in an effort to get the air quality in EPA compliance for the metro areas where it wasn't in compliance. Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Memphis metro areas also had these ridiculous speed limit decreases, while Nashville instead expanded emissions testing to the outlying counties so their speed limits never went down from 70 to 65 once you entered an outlying county. I know that Metro Knoxville has raised their limits back to 70, but I can't remember whether or not Chattanooga or Memphis have done the same.
Here's an article from way back in the dark ages of 2007 when our economy started to go in the s*****r and they first implemented these ridiculous speed limit reductions that have been universally ignored:
https://www.ccjdigital.com/business/article/14905129/i-81-speed-limit-drops-in-east-tennessee
TDOT's news release archive only goes back to 2015 so I can't find any specific articles from them about it, but I do remember them having press releases back then about the speed limit lowering in Memphis, Chattanooga, and Knoxville metros, and I suppose Tri-Cities was included as well.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: MikeTheActuary on March 01, 2024, 08:09:20 AM
Post by: MikeTheActuary on March 01, 2024, 08:09:20 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PMI know that Metro Knoxville has raised their limits back to 70, but I can't remember whether or not Chattanooga or Memphis have done the same.
The most recent Streetview images have westbound I-40 dropping to 65 between the Shelby County line and the I-269/TN 385 interchange.
I didn't check the entire length of I-269 in Tennessee, but the southernmost section of northbound 269 (including parts in Shelby County) is posted at 70, dropping to 65 at milepost 4 (in Fayette County, just north of TN57), while southbound 269 goes to 70 just before the Mississippi state line.
I-40 and I-55 are congested enough for a lower speed limit to be plausible. I-269 is the real test for whether environmental speed limits are still in place; the inconsistency of NB and SB speed limits between Exit 1 and Exit 3 on 269 doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: Rothman on March 01, 2024, 09:09:14 AM
Post by: Rothman on March 01, 2024, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 07:21:00 PMWonder if the reduction had the intended environmental benefits, then.Quote from: Rothman on February 29, 2024, 06:09:12 PM:rolleyes:Quote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PM*citation needed*Quote from: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Tennessee is finally eliminating the 65 mph / 55 mph truck speed limit on I-81 south of Bristol. The speed limit will be increased next week to 70 mph for all vehicles.
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
It was all done in an effort to get the air quality in EPA compliance for the metro areas where it wasn't in compliance. Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Memphis metro areas also had these ridiculous speed limit decreases, while Nashville instead expanded emissions testing to the outlying counties so their speed limits never went down from 70 to 65 once you entered an outlying county. I know that Metro Knoxville has raised their limits back to 70, but I can't remember whether or not Chattanooga or Memphis have done the same.
Here's an article from way back in the dark ages of 2007 when our economy started to go in the s*****r and they first implemented these ridiculous speed limit reductions that have been universally ignored:
https://www.ccjdigital.com/business/article/14905129/i-81-speed-limit-drops-in-east-tennessee
TDOT's news release archive only goes back to 2015 so I can't find any specific articles from them about it, but I do remember them having press releases back then about the speed limit lowering in Memphis, Chattanooga, and Knoxville metros, and I suppose Tri-Cities was included as well.
Having an non-attainment area means you get apportioned Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality funding, which is a double-edged sword with more edge on the "what a pain" side, due to strict eligibility requirements (although the funds can be swapped with other apportionments...until FHWA doesn't like the amount and slaps the DOT's wrist and environmental groups sue). Have to spend the money one way or another and get in a little trouble if you don't.
(personal opinion emphasized)
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on March 01, 2024, 10:13:46 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on March 01, 2024, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 01, 2024, 09:09:14 AMQuote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 07:21:00 PMWonder if the reduction had the intended environmental benefits, then.Quote from: Rothman on February 29, 2024, 06:09:12 PM:rolleyes:Quote from: wriddle082 on February 29, 2024, 05:02:49 PM*citation needed*Quote from: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 10:44:05 AM
Tennessee is finally eliminating the 65 mph / 55 mph truck speed limit on I-81 south of Bristol. The speed limit will be increased next week to 70 mph for all vehicles.
https://x.com/marknagitdot/status/1763201428124815823
It was all done in an effort to get the air quality in EPA compliance for the metro areas where it wasn't in compliance. Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Memphis metro areas also had these ridiculous speed limit decreases, while Nashville instead expanded emissions testing to the outlying counties so their speed limits never went down from 70 to 65 once you entered an outlying county. I know that Metro Knoxville has raised their limits back to 70, but I can't remember whether or not Chattanooga or Memphis have done the same.
Here's an article from way back in the dark ages of 2007 when our economy started to go in the s*****r and they first implemented these ridiculous speed limit reductions that have been universally ignored:
https://www.ccjdigital.com/business/article/14905129/i-81-speed-limit-drops-in-east-tennessee
TDOT's news release archive only goes back to 2015 so I can't find any specific articles from them about it, but I do remember them having press releases back then about the speed limit lowering in Memphis, Chattanooga, and Knoxville metros, and I suppose Tri-Cities was included as well.
Having an non-attainment area means you get apportioned Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality funding, which is a double-edged sword with more edge on the "what a pain" side, due to strict eligibility requirements (although the funds can be swapped with other apportionments...until FHWA doesn't like the amount and slaps the DOT's wrist and environmental groups sue). Have to spend the money one way or another and get in a little trouble if you don't.
(personal opinion emphasized)
I wanna say that none of the areas that had to reduce their speed limits were requiring emissions or OBD II and gas cap testing, so they implemented that along with the speed limit reductions. But Nashville had actually reached attainment during that time because certain air polluting factories and/or coal fired power plants either closed or reduced their emissions, not to mention that they have required emissions testing since the early 80's. Now I think the industrial air pollution has started to go down in the Tri-Cities, so the 70-to-65 speed limit reduction is going away. And more fuel efficient ICE vehicles as well as hybrids and electrics have also helped matters. Possibly even telecommuting as well. Or it could even depend on which party is in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: BlueRidge on March 02, 2024, 02:01:11 PM
Post by: BlueRidge on March 02, 2024, 02:01:11 PM
Speed limits on I-26 and I-81 in Sullivan County dropped in 2007. TDOT implemented the change at the request of the Sullivan County Commission, who voted in favor of the action at the urging of the Kingsport Municipal Planning Organization.
Relevant quote:
Source: https://www.timesnews.net/news/local-news/tdot-lowers-i-26-i-81-speed-limits-in-sullivan/article_57387059-8e21-50bf-9588-88b88a1aa02e.html
As an aside, I can assure you that Sullivan County of all places would not have pursued this change solely to appease a three-letter federal agency.
Relevant quote:
QuoteThe Kingsport Metropolitan Planning Organization asked the County Commission to seek the speed limit change from TDOT. The goal: reduce vehicle emissions, thereby improving air quality, with the goal of bringing Sullivan County into attainment with the Environmental Protection Agency's federal air quality health standard for ozone. Sullivan County and portions of the East Tennessee Valley are currently categorized by the EPA as non-attainment areas.
"County governments are looking at ways to improve air quality to meet EPA standards," said TDOT Chief of Environment and Planning Ed Cole. "A study conducted by the Federal Highway Administration shows that reducing truck speed limits by 10 miles per hour can reduce the nitrogen oxide emission factor by approximately 18 percent or more per truck. If we get reductions anywhere close to that level it will be worth it."
"According to studies by the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation's Division of Air Pollution Control, reduction of interstate truck speed limits is among the most effective measures we can take to assure the Tri-Cities attains and maintains attainment with the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for ground-level ozone," said Bill Sorah, chairman of the Ozone Action Partnership for Northeast Tennessee. "This action fits in with our Early Action Compact with EPA, which has allowed our counties to avoid classification as non-attainment. Non-attainment is a label we want to avoid. Not only would it mean our air quality does not meet the standards, but it would also create an impediment to economic development."
Source: https://www.timesnews.net/news/local-news/tdot-lowers-i-26-i-81-speed-limits-in-sullivan/article_57387059-8e21-50bf-9588-88b88a1aa02e.html
As an aside, I can assure you that Sullivan County of all places would not have pursued this change solely to appease a three-letter federal agency.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 03:57:28 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 03:57:28 PM
I'm curious if I-26's speed limit will rise back to 70 mph at all... arguably, the entire highway (except through Johnson City) from the Virginia state line (the small stretch that's solely US-23) to the North Carolina state line could reasonably be signed as 70 mph.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on March 02, 2024, 04:34:59 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on March 02, 2024, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 03:57:28 PM
I'm curious if I-26's speed limit will rise back to 70 mph at all... arguably, the entire highway (except through Johnson City) from the Virginia state line (the small stretch that's solely US-23) to the North Carolina state line could reasonably be signed as 70 mph.
The Tennessee side of the ridge going towards Sam's Gap has been posted at 55 or 50 ever since they opened it up in 1996. The North Carolina side was built to a higher standard with fewer sharp curves and gentler grades, and I believe has been signed at 65/trucks 55 since it opened in 2004. I would say that North Carolina could get away with upping it to 70 with little consequence, but I have struggled to even go that fast in Tennessee since it's steeper and a little curvier.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: froggie on March 02, 2024, 07:22:48 PM
Post by: froggie on March 02, 2024, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 03:57:28 PM
I'm curious if I-26's speed limit will rise back to 70 mph at all... arguably, the entire highway (except through Johnson City) from the Virginia state line (the small stretch that's solely US-23) to the North Carolina state line could reasonably be signed as 70 mph.
I would disagree with that. You could MAYBE get away with 70 down to Unicoi or even Erwin. But past that Billy's right...a lower design standard with a narrow median and a lot of curves on the uphill climb to the state line. 60 may be doable. 65 would be pushing it, especially for the trucks. 70 is out of the question.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 07:53:14 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 07:53:14 PM
I'll correct my statement to say MM 24 (south of Johnson City) to MM 42 (state line is MM 54). That segment is higher design standard and posted at 65 mph.
It has been years since I've been on that southern part (12 miles) but you're correct in that it has a lower design speed after looking at it on Google Maps. The limit already drops to 60 mph there.
Additionally, MM 18 to MM 1 could also go from 65 mph to 70 mph.
So in total 17 miles north of Johnson City, and 18 miles south of Johnson City.
It has been years since I've been on that southern part (12 miles) but you're correct in that it has a lower design speed after looking at it on Google Maps. The limit already drops to 60 mph there.
Additionally, MM 18 to MM 1 could also go from 65 mph to 70 mph.
So in total 17 miles north of Johnson City, and 18 miles south of Johnson City.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 08:00:11 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on March 02, 2024, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on March 02, 2024, 04:34:59 PMIt looks like Tennessee modified the speed limit about 10 years ago to go from 55 mph up to 60 mph / 55 mph truck, then it drops to 55 mph / 50 mph truck closer to the line.
The Tennessee side of the ridge going towards Sam's Gap has been posted at 55 or 50 ever since they opened it up in 1996.
NC could go to 70 mph, but they are very reluctant with anything over 65 mph in that part of the state (except a portion of I-40 and some of US-74 going to Charlotte where it's flatter).
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: webny99 on April 08, 2024, 10:21:46 AM
Post by: webny99 on April 08, 2024, 10:21:46 AM
I-24 heading N/WB out of Nashville to the KY line seems to have been exceptionally congested for most of the day yesterday and again this morning. Can anyone from the area comment if this is strictly eclipse related, or is there something else going on? Either way it would appear that widening is sorely needed here, does TN have any plans to widen this segment?
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: sprjus4 on April 09, 2024, 12:42:27 PM
Post by: sprjus4 on April 09, 2024, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 08, 2024, 10:21:46 AMI-24 heading N/WB out of Nashville to the KY line seems to have been exceptionally congested for most of the day yesterday and again this morning. Can anyone from the area comment if this is strictly eclipse related, or is there something else going on? Either way it would appear that widening is sorely needed here, does TN have any plans to widen this segment?There was eclipse traffic everywhere in the midwest & northeast yesterday, that's not a good metric to base off of. I-79 between Erie and Pittsburgh had about 100 miles (!) of standstill / slow moving traffic southbound after the eclipse - that highway would never warrant 6 lanes on any other day.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: webny99 on April 09, 2024, 08:58:39 PM
Post by: webny99 on April 09, 2024, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2024, 12:42:27 PMQuote from: webny99 on April 08, 2024, 10:21:46 AMI-24 heading N/WB out of Nashville to the KY line seems to have been exceptionally congested for most of the day yesterday and again this morning. Can anyone from the area comment if this is strictly eclipse related, or is there something else going on? Either way it would appear that widening is sorely needed here, does TN have any plans to widen this segment?There was eclipse traffic everywhere in the midwest & northeast yesterday, that's not a good metric to base off of. I-79 between Erie and Pittsburgh had about 100 miles (!) of standstill / slow moving traffic southbound after the eclipse - that highway would never warrant 6 lanes on any other day.
Of course, but this was occurring on Sunday, which no doubt had some eclipse traffic but not nearly as much as Monday elsewhere around the country. I'm not saying to base anything off of it, just wondering since it was that bad if it was already known to be a problem stretch.
Title: Re: Tennessee
Post by: wriddle082 on April 09, 2024, 10:55:46 PM
Post by: wriddle082 on April 09, 2024, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 09, 2024, 08:58:39 PMQuote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2024, 12:42:27 PMQuote from: webny99 on April 08, 2024, 10:21:46 AMI-24 heading N/WB out of Nashville to the KY line seems to have been exceptionally congested for most of the day yesterday and again this morning. Can anyone from the area comment if this is strictly eclipse related, or is there something else going on? Either way it would appear that widening is sorely needed here, does TN have any plans to widen this segment?There was eclipse traffic everywhere in the midwest & northeast yesterday, that's not a good metric to base off of. I-79 between Erie and Pittsburgh had about 100 miles (!) of standstill / slow moving traffic southbound after the eclipse - that highway would never warrant 6 lanes on any other day.
Of course, but this was occurring on Sunday, which no doubt had some eclipse traffic but not nearly as much as Monday elsewhere around the country. I'm not saying to base anything off of it, just wondering since it was that bad if it was already known to be a problem stretch.
Prior to my moving away from Greater Nashville in 2010, I had known I-24 towards Clarksville to be sluggish, but not as bad as you're describing.
Two Fridays ago, I drove from St. Louis to Nashville via the traditional route of 64 E to 57 S to 24 E. The drive was uneventful until I passed Exit 4 in Clarksville (traditionally the main exit for Clarksville) around the 2-3 PM timeframe. It was moving mostly just below the speed limit in both lanes, with occasional inexplicable sudden slowdowns. I got so frustrated with it that I bailed at Exit 31 and cut over to US 41A, as my next turn was to go Briley Pkwy around the west side, so I ended up saving a few miles.
Should a 40-mile stretch of interstate linking the largest city in the state with the fifth largest city in the state be at least six lanes? Absolutely! Especially since a 29-mile stretch of that same interstate connecting the largest city in the state with the sixth largest city in the state has been eight lanes for nearly 20 years.
I do believe there are plans to eventually get I-24 widened to Clarksville that have been outlined in the IMPROVE Act, but right now priority #1 is finishing the widening of I-65 coming down from Kentucky, and then fixing other issues around Spring Hill, Chattanooga, and west of Knoxville.
Also, I noticed during my trip that parts of 24 just east of Clarksville are in the process of being resurfaced, so you could have also been seeing traffic caused by (poorly timed) lane closures related to that.