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Extending I-45 to Oklahoma?

Started by US71, March 07, 2018, 08:56:54 PM

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sparker

Quote from: 1 on August 18, 2018, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 18, 2018, 03:17:02 PM
I doubt Interstate 44 will be extended anytime soon, just like I doubt Interstate 45 will be extended into Oklahoma anytime soon.

What about I-45 to the Oklahoma state line? It's all-freeway, Texas is known for creating more Interstates, and the extension would prevent current I-345 from being demolished.

This is addressed up-thread; there's some substandard sections in and around Sherman that would need to be addressed prior to seeking an Interstate designation.  The avoidance of an I-345 teardown is certainly an upside; but leaving the designation hanging at the state line, while possibly (although not probably) prompting corresponding activity within OK to extend the corridor (at least to I-40, which is pre-authorized via prior federal statute), makes the thing sort of a pointless exercise.  But this is Texas, after all -- we'll just have to wait and see!   


bugo

I-45 could be extended to end at US 69 just south of the Red River. Interstates are supposed to end at major highways, and US 69 would fit.

txstateends

Or US 82 in Sherman, when the Sherman work is done.  Either way, there are several precedents for that (I-44 in Wichita Falls, I-27 in Lubbock, I-26 between I-81 and the TN-VA border, I-72 in Hannibal, etc), and who knows, maybe that kind of move could show OK that having an interstate in that corridor is worth seeking the funding for (and would be nice to see in most of our lifetimes anyway).  And it's much more of a logical/needed interstate corridor than whatever happens with I-14.
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sparker

Quote from: txstateends on August 18, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Or US 82 in Sherman, when the Sherman work is done.  Either way, there are several precedents for that (I-44 in Wichita Falls, I-27 in Lubbock, I-26 between I-81 and the TN-VA border, I-72 in Hannibal, etc), and who knows, maybe that kind of move could show OK that having an interstate in that corridor is worth seeking the funding for (and would be nice to see in most of our lifetimes anyway).  And it's much more of a logical/needed interstate corridor than whatever happens with I-14.

Or since it doesn't affect those folks in the speed traps farther north on US 69, OK might be persuaded to sign I-45 as far north as US 70 in Durant -- unless they're afraid of the "nose through the door" syndrome.  That would give the route an appropriate -- hopefully temporary -- ending point.  Would also relieve I-45 of its singular status as the only intrastate X5 in the process!     

txstateends

Quote from: sparker on August 19, 2018, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: txstateends on August 18, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Or US 82 in Sherman, when the Sherman work is done.  Either way, there are several precedents for that (I-44 in Wichita Falls, I-27 in Lubbock, I-26 between I-81 and the TN-VA border, I-72 in Hannibal, etc), and who knows, maybe that kind of move could show OK that having an interstate in that corridor is worth seeking the funding for (and would be nice to see in most of our lifetimes anyway).  And it's much more of a logical/needed interstate corridor than whatever happens with I-14.

Or since it doesn't affect those folks in the speed traps farther north on US 69, OK might be persuaded to sign I-45 as far north as US 70 in Durant -- unless they're afraid of the "nose through the door" syndrome.  That would give the route an appropriate -- hopefully temporary -- ending point.  Would also relieve I-45 of its singular status as the only intrastate X5 in the process!     

That would give the Choctaw casino a big new marketing tool to plug, also.
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US71

Quote from: sparker on August 19, 2018, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: txstateends on August 18, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Or US 82 in Sherman, when the Sherman work is done.  Either way, there are several precedents for that (I-44 in Wichita Falls, I-27 in Lubbock, I-26 between I-81 and the TN-VA border, I-72 in Hannibal, etc), and who knows, maybe that kind of move could show OK that having an interstate in that corridor is worth seeking the funding for (and would be nice to see in most of our lifetimes anyway).  And it's much more of a logical/needed interstate corridor than whatever happens with I-14.

Or since it doesn't affect those folks in the speed traps farther north on US 69, OK might be persuaded to sign I-45 as far north as US 70 in Durant -- unless they're afraid of the "nose through the door" syndrome.  That would give the route an appropriate -- hopefully temporary -- ending point.  Would also relieve I-45 of its singular status as the only intrastate X5 in the process!     


There are still a few at-grade crossings south of Durant so those would have to be addressed at some point.
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sparker

Quote from: US71 on August 19, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 19, 2018, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: txstateends on August 18, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Or US 82 in Sherman, when the Sherman work is done.  Either way, there are several precedents for that (I-44 in Wichita Falls, I-27 in Lubbock, I-26 between I-81 and the TN-VA border, I-72 in Hannibal, etc), and who knows, maybe that kind of move could show OK that having an interstate in that corridor is worth seeking the funding for (and would be nice to see in most of our lifetimes anyway).  And it's much more of a logical/needed interstate corridor than whatever happens with I-14.

Or since it doesn't affect those folks in the speed traps farther north on US 69, OK might be persuaded to sign I-45 as far north as US 70 in Durant -- unless they're afraid of the "nose through the door" syndrome.  That would give the route an appropriate -- hopefully temporary -- ending point.  Would also relieve I-45 of its singular status as the only intrastate X5 in the process!     


There are still a few at-grade crossings south of Durant so those would have to be addressed at some point.


Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to have read that US 69/75 is slated for full-freeway upgrades that would complete the route as such from the state line to the Durant bypass; don't know whether these are projects that have been let, are in the queue for future years' funding, or simply programmed but unfunded.   

txstateends

Quote from: sparker on August 19, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: US71 on August 19, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 19, 2018, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: txstateends on August 18, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Or US 82 in Sherman, when the Sherman work is done.  Either way, there are several precedents for that (I-44 in Wichita Falls, I-27 in Lubbock, I-26 between I-81 and the TN-VA border, I-72 in Hannibal, etc), and who knows, maybe that kind of move could show OK that having an interstate in that corridor is worth seeking the funding for (and would be nice to see in most of our lifetimes anyway).  And it's much more of a logical/needed interstate corridor than whatever happens with I-14.

Or since it doesn't affect those folks in the speed traps farther north on US 69, OK might be persuaded to sign I-45 as far north as US 70 in Durant -- unless they're afraid of the "nose through the door" syndrome.  That would give the route an appropriate -- hopefully temporary -- ending point.  Would also relieve I-45 of its singular status as the only intrastate X5 in the process!     


There are still a few at-grade crossings south of Durant so those would have to be addressed at some point.


Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to have read that US 69/75 is slated for full-freeway upgrades that would complete the route as such from the state line to the Durant bypass; don't know whether these are projects that have been let, are in the queue for future years' funding, or simply programmed but unfunded.   

I'm not sure exactly how much will be upgraded in the near-future.  I think it's most of Calera and by the Choctaw casino.  If that's correct, that would leave some work to do between Colbert and Calera.  I haven't heard what exactly will be done in Calera, but there's some room between the current main lanes and the parallel railroad track for a freeway setup IIRR.  The crossing by the 2 travel centers/smoke shop/north entrance to the casino is to have a grade-separation as part of the same work (and should already have been done ages ago IMO) to get rid of that f-in signal light.  I'm not sure how far along this work is toward the construction phase.
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Bobby5280

Construction for the Calera Bypass (which really isn't a bypass, but a freeway upgrade of that part of US-69) is supposed to begin in March of 2019. The freeway upgrade will begin at the Durant Bypass and go down through Calera and end at Chickasaw Road just South of town. Chickasaw Rd will still be an at-grade intersection. That will leave a freeway gap between Colbert with around 10 different at-grade crossings and intersections. The bright side is all the existing property is set back far enough for freeway upgrades due to partial frontage road segments.

Some residents in Calera are not happy with the freeway upgrade because there will be no full service exit for Main Street. Slip ramps from frontage roads will provide access, but their complaint is the ramps are too far away from Main Street. Critics say their town is going to be bypassed and they'll lose a lot of business.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 21, 2018, 01:07:31 PM
Construction for the Calera Bypass (which really isn't a bypass, but a freeway upgrade of that part of US-69) is supposed to begin in March of 2019. The freeway upgrade will begin at the Durant Bypass and go down through Calera and end at Chickasaw Road just South of town. Chickasaw Rd will still be an at-grade intersection. That will leave a freeway gap between Colbert with around 10 different at-grade crossings and intersections. The bright side is all the existing property is set back far enough for freeway upgrades due to partial frontage road segments.

Some residents in Calera are not happy with the freeway upgrade because there will be no full service exit for Main Street. Slip ramps from frontage roads will provide access, but their complaint is the ramps are too far away from Main Street. Critics say their town is going to be bypassed and they'll lose a lot of business.
Well they need to adapt. The town is getting one full service exit, IIRC, and that should be sufficient for a town their size. They can use that opportunity to rezone and rebuild their current areas if they can find the developers and OFC the money!

sparker

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 21, 2018, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 21, 2018, 01:07:31 PM
Construction for the Calera Bypass (which really isn't a bypass, but a freeway upgrade of that part of US-69) is supposed to begin in March of 2019. The freeway upgrade will begin at the Durant Bypass and go down through Calera and end at Chickasaw Road just South of town. Chickasaw Rd will still be an at-grade intersection. That will leave a freeway gap between Colbert with around 10 different at-grade crossings and intersections. The bright side is all the existing property is set back far enough for freeway upgrades due to partial frontage road segments.

Some residents in Calera are not happy with the freeway upgrade because there will be no full service exit for Main Street. Slip ramps from frontage roads will provide access, but their complaint is the ramps are too far away from Main Street. Critics say their town is going to be bypassed and they'll lose a lot of business.
Well they need to adapt. The town is getting one full service exit, IIRC, and that should be sufficient for a town their size. They can use that opportunity to rezone and rebuild their current areas if they can find the developers and OFC the money!

Seeing as how this appears to be a programmed project, the Calera business community will likely piss & moan enough to get (a) a 2nd offramp in either direction near the Main Street grade separation, or (b) compensation funds for relocation to the frontage roads.  If they have a good attorney, they may get both.  IIRC, the times I've been through there much of the commercial activities centered around RV's and modular homes; as long as those are visible from the freeway, they'll continue to draw traffic.     

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: sparker on August 25, 2018, 02:50:25 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 21, 2018, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 21, 2018, 01:07:31 PM
Construction for the Calera Bypass (which really isn't a bypass, but a freeway upgrade of that part of US-69) is supposed to begin in March of 2019. The freeway upgrade will begin at the Durant Bypass and go down through Calera and end at Chickasaw Road just South of town. Chickasaw Rd will still be an at-grade intersection. That will leave a freeway gap between Colbert with around 10 different at-grade crossings and intersections. The bright side is all the existing property is set back far enough for freeway upgrades due to partial frontage road segments.

Some residents in Calera are not happy with the freeway upgrade because there will be no full service exit for Main Street. Slip ramps from frontage roads will provide access, but their complaint is the ramps are too far away from Main Street. Critics say their town is going to be bypassed and they'll lose a lot of business.
Well they need to adapt. The town is getting one full service exit, IIRC, and that should be sufficient for a town their size. They can use that opportunity to rezone and rebuild their current areas if they can find the developers and OFC the money!

Seeing as how this appears to be a programmed project, the Calera business community will likely piss & moan enough to get (a) a 2nd offramp in either direction near the Main Street grade separation, or (b) compensation funds for relocation to the frontage roads.  If they have a good attorney, they may get both.  IIRC, the times I've been through there much of the commercial activities centered around RV's and modular homes; as long as those are visible from the freeway, they'll continue to draw traffic.     
Eh, as long as the proper acceleration and deceleration lanes are added, it shouldn't make a difference and I don't think Durant needs to worry about heavy sprawl anytime soon! Lol. But it sure is amazing such a little town has so much say here.

sparker

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 25, 2018, 05:28:28 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 25, 2018, 02:50:25 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 21, 2018, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 21, 2018, 01:07:31 PM
Construction for the Calera Bypass (which really isn't a bypass, but a freeway upgrade of that part of US-69) is supposed to begin in March of 2019. The freeway upgrade will begin at the Durant Bypass and go down through Calera and end at Chickasaw Road just South of town. Chickasaw Rd will still be an at-grade intersection. That will leave a freeway gap between Colbert with around 10 different at-grade crossings and intersections. The bright side is all the existing property is set back far enough for freeway upgrades due to partial frontage road segments.

Some residents in Calera are not happy with the freeway upgrade because there will be no full service exit for Main Street. Slip ramps from frontage roads will provide access, but their complaint is the ramps are too far away from Main Street. Critics say their town is going to be bypassed and they'll lose a lot of business.
Well they need to adapt. The town is getting one full service exit, IIRC, and that should be sufficient for a town their size. They can use that opportunity to rezone and rebuild their current areas if they can find the developers and OFC the money!

Seeing as how this appears to be a programmed project, the Calera business community will likely piss & moan enough to get (a) a 2nd offramp in either direction near the Main Street grade separation, or (b) compensation funds for relocation to the frontage roads.  If they have a good attorney, they may get both.  IIRC, the times I've been through there much of the commercial activities centered around RV's and modular homes; as long as those are visible from the freeway, they'll continue to draw traffic.     
Eh, as long as the proper acceleration and deceleration lanes are added, it shouldn't make a difference and I don't think Durant needs to worry about heavy sprawl anytime soon! Lol. But it sure is amazing such a little town has so much say here.

And then there's the fact that in the next couple of counties north from there, a couple of towns (and well-noted speed traps) Stringtown and KIowa have been the driving force against US 69 upgrades for decades.  In OK, it seems that once political connections are forged, they're hard to dislodge.  But at least down in Bryan County, some developmental activity is occurring -- albeit not without some controversy, which would be expected.  I suppose we'll all just have to see how ODOT handles the Calera controversy; while the physical configuration differs from the other towns along the potential corridor, it might provide some indication as to how far the state is willing to go to accommodate local needs while still getting their freeway! 

Bobby5280

#113
A 3D animated flyover of the Calera Bypass design (as of October 2017) can be viewed on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MxkOluExA

The close proximity of the frontage roads to the main lanes requires slip ramps to be set back well away from signaled intersections. The current design gives the town of Calera decent on-ramp access to US-69 in both directions. However off ramp access to the Main Street intersection does indeed stink. Going Northbound the US-69 exit ramp for Calera is just past Island Bayou Creek. That's 1.2 miles South of the Main Street intersection. Any businesses at the Main Street intersection will not be visible to traffic at that exit ramp. Plus the proposed street connector bridge will be an additional visual obstruction. Going Southbound it's a similar situation. The SB off-ramp for Calera would be North of the new flyover ramp from old Bus US-69 into the US-69 main lanes. It's a mile North of the Main Street intersection. The new flyover ramp will visually block any signs or other structures near Main Street to traffic on US-69.

Braided ramps would have been a better solution, but that requires a wider ROW. This upgrade is along a pretty tight squeeze. Still, there should have been a better balance of off-ramps for Main Street in Calera. This design completely did not properly consider that at all. With construction set to begin in just a few months it looks like these slip ramp designs might be carved in stone.

Unfortunately the consequence of this type of design will give more fuel to the freeway opposition farther North in towns like Atoka and Stringtown. They'll point to how Calera got screwed and will build up horror stories how the same thing could happen in their towns. Atoka would require a new terrain bypass. Existing US-69 could be upgraded fairly easily in Stringtown, but a few properties on the West side of the road would have to be cleared.

sparker

Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 25, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
A 3D animated flyover of the Calera Bypass design (as of October 2017) can be viewed on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MxkOluExA

The close proximity of the frontage roads to the main lanes requires slip ramps to be set back well away from signaled intersections. The current design gives the town of Calera decent on-ramp access to US-69 in both directions. However off ramp access to the Main Street intersection does indeed stink. Going Northbound the US-69 exit ramp for Calera is just past Island Bayou Creek. That's 1.2 miles South of the Main Street intersection. Any businesses at the Main Street intersection will not be visible to traffic at that exit ramp. Plus the proposed street connector bridge will be an additional visual obstruction. Going Southbound it's a similar situation. The SB off-ramp for Calera would be North of the new flyover ramp from old Bus US-69 into the US-69 main lanes. It's a mile North of the Main Street intersection. The new flyover ramp will visually block any signs or other structures near Main Street to traffic on US-69.

Braided ramps would have been a better solution, but that requires a wider ROW. This upgrade is along a pretty tight squeeze. Still, there should have been a better balance of off-ramps for Main Street in Calera. This design completely did not properly consider that at all. With construction set to begin in just a few months it looks like these slip ramp designs might be carved in stone.

Unfortunately the consequence of this type of design will give more fuel to the freeway opposition farther North in towns like Atoka and Stringtown. They'll point to how Calera got screwed and will build up horror stories how the same thing could happen in their towns. Atoka would require a new terrain bypass. Existing US-69 could be upgraded fairly easily in Stringtown, but a few properties on the West side of the road would have to be cleared.

Don't know how flexible the plans are, but it seems the ramp configuration in Calera, particularly NB, seems to be geared to that facility along the frontage road as seen at the 2:03 point in the video; possibly why the frontage road would need an on-ramp (seen at about 2:44) before the center of town.  The location of that on-ramp would make an ideal off-ramp between a quarter and half mile south of the Main Street crossing.  If that facility (presumably a cargo loading facility for trucks) needs a quasi-dedicated on-ramp, it could be inserted right after the street crossing bridge south of town; that could itself become a slip-ramp to the aforementioned new Main Street off-ramp (of course, they'd need another 12-15 feet of easement there to accommodate the slip/acceleration ramp width).   Southbound may not be as "fixable" due to the flyover on-ramp from old Business 69 -- unless ODOT could figure a way to turn that into a slip-ramp as well (it seems plenty long) with an offramp to the frontage road at its south end.

Obviously ODOT didn't think this thing through thoroughly enough, giving, as Bobby says, ammunition to other communities along the US 69 corridor to raise a stink about how the agency is treating them.  A little bit better design effort could clear many of the issues up -- but it's obvious that this project is to be "done on the (relatively) cheap" with as few structures as possible.  But the fixes would simply require a bit more land on the right side of either frontage road (and in the case of SB, hardly any at all since the acceleration lane from the flyover is extremely long).  But since the Choctaw Road casino complex seems to have ample access, I'm surprised Calera didn't demand a design change for their segment just for the sake of equity!       

txstateends

Just saw the YT video.  :confused: :confused: ... not sure what to think.  There's some things that are better than what's there now, but the planners are almost doing everything but taking Calera to the doghouse.  There's no access to that overpass on the south side, Main Street gets a nice underpass but no real access, >surprise< they're getting rid of the trumpet at Bus US 69, the Cemetery Road overpass has no access except the west-side service road, oh but we're adding this cute turnaround at a bayou!  Really?  It wouldn't hurt them to treat Calera better than that.  At least there's still the grade-separation planned for the intersection at Choctaw Road.
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sparker

If some enterprising OK poster could forward replies #104-115 to ODOT's inbox forthwith, that would be considered a good thing -- get some unbiased (but critical nonetheless) observations on the record, so to speak.  Not that I -- or likely anyone else on the forum -- has any illusions about the impact of our input, but it would be nice to let ODOT know that there are folks out there without a "dog in the race" that actually care about such things.  Just a thought...............

bugo

#117
Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 25, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
A 3D animated flyover of the Calera Bypass design (as of October 2017) can be viewed on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MxkOluExA

Thanks for the link. This stretch of US 69-75 is going to be a Texas-style freeway with one way frontage roads and U turn ramps. It's going to be a big highway and it will certainly make Calera look more important than it is. Getting around town should be a breeze once this highway is complete.

sparker

Quote from: bugo on August 26, 2018, 08:05:26 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 25, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
A 3D animated flyover of the Calera Bypass design (as of October 2017) can be viewed on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MxkOluExA

Thanks for the link. This stretch of US 69-75 is going to be a Texas-style freeway with one way frontage roads and U turn ramps. It's going to be a big highway and it will certainly make Calera look more important than it is. Getting around town should be a breeze once this highway is complete.

Getting around town once you're off the freeway won't be problematic; it's getting from the freeway to town that's the issue here.  The Calera ramps, as shown in the video, are so far away from the town itself and require so much frontage-road travel that it essentially requires a preliminary decision on the part of the driver (in both directions!) that Calera is to be the exiting destination.  A closer-in set of off-ramps (getting back on is a lesser concern) within sight of the town's attractions would be considerably more effective at enhancing commercial use of the towns' businesses by US 69/75 drivers.  A very comprehensive logo sign at the planned exits may help a little, if both restaurants, shops, and automotive service facilities could be included -- but that's a lot to put on a sign that'll be passed at speed.  Off-ramps in close proximity to the town center still are the most effective -- and fair to the town itself -- remedy.

US71

Quote from: bugo on August 26, 2018, 08:05:26 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 25, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
A 3D animated flyover of the Calera Bypass design (as of October 2017) can be viewed on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MxkOluExA

Thanks for the link. This stretch of US 69-75 is going to be a Texas-style freeway with one way frontage roads and U turn ramps. It's going to be a big highway and it will certainly make Calera look more important than it is. Getting around town should be a breeze once this highway is complete.

That's basically what was done with 69 at McAlester: slip ramps and one way service roads
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Road Hog

#120
It seems to me if it's just slip ramps that are an issue in Calera, those could be solved with an eraser. The whole right of way is under ODOT control and it can't be too hard to relocate them as needed. (In fact, an advance slip ramp is probably desirable for existing businesses along the way.)

Short of that ... It's common south of the Red to have to exit well before your destinaton; you just have to follow the BGSes. The locals will adjust.

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Plutonic Panda

Quote from: rte66man on August 27, 2018, 08:56:38 PM
Here is the link to the project on ODOT's website:

https://www.ok.gov/odot/Programs_and_Projects/Public_Meetings_and_Hearings/20170615.html
This is kinda off topic but it could be I-45 one day so maybe not, but they had the Muskogee bypass on the upcoming projects list for a little bit after they first announced it but it has since disappeared.

sparker

Quote from: Road Hog on August 26, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
It seems to me if it's just slip ramps that are an issue in Calera, those could be solved with an eraser. The whole right of way is under ODOT control and it can't be too hard to relocate them as needed. (In fact, an advance slip ramp is probably desirable for existing businesses along the way.)

Short of that ... It's common south of the Red to have to exit well before your destinaton; you just have to follow the BGSes. The locals will adjust.

It's not the locals adjusting that poses the problem, it's the travelers on US 69 not finding their way to relevant roadside businesses because the exit ramps serving the town are too distant with the present published design. 

In_Correct

The Locals (not) adjusting is a major concern. If the Muskogee Bypass was canceled, so will the Calera upgrades. These towns could use some new buildings relocated closer to slip ramps. But it seems they will not negotiate.

Colbert and even Durant were completely bypassed when The Unfinished Corridor was improved. It curves toward Calera and then it curves again for Colbert. Every occurrence of a bypass is a realignment west of the towns, similar to Interstate 35. The Unfinished Corridor in Oklahoma would have been better as "The Choctaw Turnpike" west of town with a Shun Pike U.S. Highway System going through the towns. Even if they are improving the frontage roads and exits in Calera, there might still be an alternate route west of town if the high traffic increases.

As for these towns getting business from travelers:  At least I will never go on The Unfinished Corridor in Oklahoma. I will stick with Interstate 35 and The Turnpikes even if it might be longer and filled with endless road reconstruction.
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