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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3400 on: January 20, 2022, 03:37:39 PM »

I would argue 20% is even easier math and more of the standard in most parts of the country.
Oh pshaw, the plebes don't deserve 20%.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3401 on: January 20, 2022, 03:43:04 PM »

I would argue 20% is even easier math and more of the standard in most parts of the country.
Oh pshaw, the plebes don't deserve 20%.

I've been a plebe all my life. Yes we do.  :bigass:

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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3402 on: January 20, 2022, 03:44:36 PM »

A tip is supposed to be a gift

Only in states with a very high minimum wage. Otherwise it's compulsory and expected, regardless of service.

I tip 20% for dine-in service, bare minimum.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3403 on: January 20, 2022, 03:46:13 PM »

I would argue 20% is even easier math and more of the standard in most parts of the country.
Oh pshaw, the plebes don't deserve 20%.

I've been a plebe all my life. Yes we do.  :bigass:

Forgot that darn sarcasm tag, silly me.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3404 on: January 20, 2022, 03:50:08 PM »

A tip is supposed to be a gift

Only in states with a very high minimum wage.

I'd say this describes hotel staff as well - they get paid the regular minimum wage and there's no need to tip them unless they actually do something for you.

I tip 20% for dine-in service, bare minimum.

I'm not really sure when I'm supposed to tip for a carryout order - I'll tip 10% if it's a server or bartender handling it for me, but I'm not really sure what to do when you have a dedicated restaurant employee who handles nothing but carryout orders.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3405 on: January 20, 2022, 03:51:26 PM »

Speaking of tips, I dislike places that automatically add a tip to the check if there are more than a certain number of people in the party

Well, they have to, because some attitudes towards tipping are

A tip is supposed to be a gift; a reward for good service. If the service is crappy, then yes, I will leave nothing, or maybe a penny. Why should I reward poor service? The amount to tip should be up to the discretion of the customer.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3406 on: January 20, 2022, 03:55:04 PM »

Having worked for tips before, I maintain that it is incredibly stupid that there are employment positions in this country where the wage is dependent on whether or not the customer you serve that day is an asshole or not. Especially given that this is a majority-asshole country.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3407 on: January 20, 2022, 03:56:18 PM »

Having worked for tips before, I maintain that it is incredibly stupid that there are employment positions in this country where the wage is dependent on whether or not the customer you serve that day is an asshole or not. Especially given that this is a majority-asshole country.
Speaking of which, the brass balls on Christians who leave propaganda instead of a tip...
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3408 on: January 20, 2022, 04:02:00 PM »

I would argue 20% is even easier math and more of the standard in most parts of the country.
Oh pshaw, the plebes don't deserve 20%.

I've been a plebe all my life. Yes we do.  :bigass:

Forgot that darn sarcasm tag, silly me.

I knew what you meant.  My sarcasm meter is fully functional. 

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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3409 on: January 20, 2022, 04:02:46 PM »

I tip 20% for dine-in service, bare minimum.

I'm not really sure when I'm supposed to tip for a carryout order - I'll tip 10% if it's a server or bartender handling it for me, but I'm not really sure what to do when you have a dedicated restaurant employee who handles nothing but carryout orders.

I do 10% to 15% for to go orders. 

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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3410 on: January 20, 2022, 04:18:13 PM »

Having worked for tips before, I maintain that it is incredibly stupid that there are employment positions in this country where the wage is dependent on whether or not the customer you serve that day is an asshole or not. Especially given that this is a majority-asshole country.
Speaking of which, the brass balls on Christians who leave propaganda instead of a tip...

I have to wonder if they ever try to pay their mortgage with those, and how well it goes over.

We had a sort of hilarious incident at the casino once where one of those Bible tracts camouflaged as a $20 bill was left on a slot machine and was left undisturbed until it was time to do drop in the wee hours of the morning. It ended up on the floor, and there was a general fear (probably unfounded) among the security and drop team that Surveillance wouldn't have the sufficient image resolution to distinguish that it was not a genuine $20 bill that had simply fallen out of the BA canister somehow.

Turns out all of the casino bureaucracy and procedures were utterly unequipped to handle the situation of "obviously fake bill discovered during drop" so they basically had to treat it like a real bill until they got it to the vault, where the vault staff had to "discover" that the bill was counterfeit and follow the counterfeit procedures from there, which probably involved turning it over to the police. The whole thing was a very entertaining comedy of errors for someone standing ten feet away watching it.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3411 on: January 20, 2022, 04:21:19 PM »

Having worked for tips before, I maintain that it is incredibly stupid that there are employment positions in this country where the wage is dependent on whether or not the customer you serve that day is an asshole or not. Especially given that this is a majority-asshole country.
Speaking of which, the brass balls on Christians who leave propaganda instead of a tip...

I have to wonder if they ever try to pay their mortgage with those, and how well it goes over.

We had a sort of hilarious incident at the casino once where one of those Bible tracts camouflaged as a $20 bill was left on a slot machine and was left undisturbed until it was time to do drop in the wee hours of the morning. It ended up on the floor, and there was a general fear (probably unfounded) among the security and drop team that Surveillance wouldn't have the sufficient image resolution to distinguish that it was not a genuine $20 bill that had simply fallen out of the BA canister somehow.

Turns out all of the casino bureaucracy and procedures were utterly unequipped to handle the situation of "obviously fake bill discovered during drop" so they basically had to treat it like a real bill until they got it to the vault, where the vault staff had to "discover" that the bill was counterfeit and follow the counterfeit procedures from there, which probably involved turning it over to the police. The whole thing was a very entertaining comedy of errors for someone standing ten feet away watching it.
Haha yikes.  I once fell for that (not at a casino), and I don't remember how long ago it was, but I believe it was hanging out of the coin return slot of a pay phone.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3412 on: January 20, 2022, 05:59:51 PM »

Having worked for tips before, I maintain that it is incredibly stupid that there are employment positions in this country where the wage is dependent on whether or not the customer you serve that day is an asshole or not. Especially given that this is a majority-asshole country.
Speaking of which, the brass balls on Christians who leave propaganda instead of a tip...

I have to wonder if they ever try to pay their mortgage with those, and how well it goes over.

We had a sort of hilarious incident at the casino once where one of those Bible tracts camouflaged as a $20 bill was left on a slot machine and was left undisturbed until it was time to do drop in the wee hours of the morning. It ended up on the floor, and there was a general fear (probably unfounded) among the security and drop team that Surveillance wouldn't have the sufficient image resolution to distinguish that it was not a genuine $20 bill that had simply fallen out of the BA canister somehow.

Turns out all of the casino bureaucracy and procedures were utterly unequipped to handle the situation of "obviously fake bill discovered during drop" so they basically had to treat it like a real bill until they got it to the vault, where the vault staff had to "discover" that the bill was counterfeit and follow the counterfeit procedures from there, which probably involved turning it over to the police. The whole thing was a very entertaining comedy of errors for someone standing ten feet away watching it.

Jeez.  Um, no pun intended.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3413 on: January 20, 2022, 06:59:52 PM »

A tip is supposed to be a gift

Only in states with a very high minimum wage.

I'd say this describes hotel staff as well - they get paid the regular minimum wage and there's no need to tip them unless they actually do something for you.

I tip 20% for dine-in service, bare minimum.

I'm not really sure when I'm supposed to tip for a carryout order - I'll tip 10% if it's a server or bartender handling it for me, but I'm not really sure what to do when you have a dedicated restaurant employee who handles nothing but carryout orders.

Too often, that employee is paid the same $2.13 minimum wage that the other servers are getting. While you only see them for a brief moment, they still put the food in the container, made sure you had the appropriate sides, sauces, etc (well, hopefully they did that!).

I usually give 10%-15%, but it varies. If it's just a simple burger and fries that come to $10, I'll probably give then $2 or $3 for their efforts.

In the end, I sometimes say to myself, am I really going to miss this dollar? I'm not even going to think about it the moment I open the door leaving the place.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3414 on: January 20, 2022, 08:28:01 PM »

Since we are talking about restaurants, let me tell of something that would have bothered me had I not escaped California.

In certain areas of California, food establishments are adding surcharges on top of the published price. I know that San Francisco establishments have been adding in a "surcharge" for health care costs. In other examples, there have been a 2% "wellness" charge, a 3% "disposables" charge, or a 15% "dine-in" charge. Such charges should be included in the price of the meal as they aren't really optional. Plus, it hurts the wait staff as the customer probably deducts the surcharges from the tip.

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« Reply #3415 on: January 20, 2022, 09:15:48 PM »

Since we are talking about restaurants, let me tell of something that would have bothered me had I not escaped California.

In certain areas of California, food establishments are adding surcharges on top of the published price. I know that San Francisco establishments have been adding in a "surcharge" for health care costs. In other examples, there have been a 2% "wellness" charge, a 3% "disposables" charge, or a 15% "dine-in" charge. Such charges should be included in the price of the meal as they aren't really optional. Plus, it hurts the wait staff as the customer probably deducts the surcharges from the tip.

Some restaurants have deliberately pointed it out as a form of protest with a snarky comment about its purpose.
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« Reply #3416 on: January 21, 2022, 02:45:51 AM »

At my favorite places that are doing take-out I tip about 20-25%.  I really want them to remain and helping out their employees seems reasonable.

There is a place that started adding a 20% surcharge which does not go directly to the employee - it's for medical care and a boost in wages for the kitchen help who don't share in the tips to give them a wage that is closer to what the tipped employees get.  I don't like that system; it leaves me confused about how much the employees are actually getting and I don't want to have to be an expert on our two stage minimum wage law or how much the medical is really costing or helping them.  I also don't appreciate that it's a tiny note on the bottom of the page of menus.  As Zloth said, if it's a mandatory charge just raise the prices of the menu items to indicate what the real price is.  I don't need to have your cash wages, medical care costs, rent, utilities, and ingredients all broken down for me on the menu.  I just don't go there anymore.  Anyway, their food was good and their service was good, but their real specialty was wine - one of the great cellars in the region, or so they say.  And I just don't care that much about wine.

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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3417 on: January 21, 2022, 11:21:27 AM »

A 20% surcharge seems pretty hefty, and I don't know why they're guaranteeing $X per hour to employees that aren't tipped or in the tip pool, when the employees that are tipped or in the tip pool aren't guaranteed $X per hour.

I've seen noble and not-so-noble surcharges, and I don't understand why they can't just raise the price of food and beverages to cover it.  If Target can sell me goods without going into detail on how the money is being allocated, so can restaurants.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3418 on: January 21, 2022, 12:14:44 PM »

A 20% surcharge seems pretty hefty, and I don't know why they're guaranteeing $X per hour to employees that aren't tipped or in the tip pool, when the employees that are tipped or in the tip pool aren't guaranteed $X per hour.

I've seen noble and not-so-noble surcharges, and I don't understand why they can't just raise the price of food and beverages to cover it.  If Target can sell me goods without going into detail on how the money is being allocated, so can restaurants.

It's about the same thing as a delivery charge. It's literally 100% profit providing absolutely nothing to the buyer.
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« Reply #3419 on: January 21, 2022, 12:42:08 PM »

A 20% surcharge seems pretty hefty, and I don't know why they're guaranteeing $X per hour to employees that aren't tipped or in the tip pool, when the employees that are tipped or in the tip pool aren't guaranteed $X per hour.

I've seen noble and not-so-noble surcharges, and I don't understand why they can't just raise the price of food and beverages to cover it.  If Target can sell me goods without going into detail on how the money is being allocated, so can restaurants.

It's about the same thing as a delivery charge. It's literally 100% profit providing absolutely nothing to the buyer.
You're getting something with a delivery charge: Food delivered to you.  These nonsense surcharges are more equivalent to charging everyone a corkage fee regardless of whether you brought your own wine.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3420 on: January 21, 2022, 01:45:08 PM »

Often the delivery charges are to pay off a third-party delivery service like Doordash to handle the actual delivery. The restaurant has to pay Doordash so they have to recover that money somehow.

I've never really understood the purpose of delivery fees at places that keep delivery people on staff, like pizza places, though. They very loudly declare the DELIVERY CHARGE IS NOT A TIP and doesn't go to staff. So what does it go toward, then? If they didn't offer delivery I probably wouldn't be buying the pizza at all, so offering that service is actually a form of marketing, not an add-on.
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« Reply #3421 on: January 21, 2022, 02:01:13 PM »

Gas and insurance for the vehicles?
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« Reply #3422 on: January 21, 2022, 03:02:42 PM »

Gas and insurance for the vehicles?
IIRC (it's been 20 years since I delivered for Domino's), I was offered the choice of a flat rate per delivery (I think it was 50 cents) or being reimbursed per mile at the IRS rate, whatever that was back then.  It's absolutely not a tip, but it does go to the driver.  I don't remember needing extra auto insurance to do this, but I think you do now.

I would hope that the remainder goes to cover insuring drivers against robberies.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3423 on: January 21, 2022, 05:15:44 PM »

The discussion about tips just points out that the two-tiered minimum wage system is crazy. If there is going to be a uniform minimum wage, it should be the same for all employees, since, after all, tips are not intended to be a part of someone's wages. They are intended to be a reward for stellar service.
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Re: Minor things that bother you
« Reply #3424 on: January 21, 2022, 05:32:40 PM »

The discussion about tips just points out that the two-tiered minimum wage system is crazy. If there is going to be a uniform minimum wage, it should be the same for all employees, since, after all, tips are not intended to be a part of someone's wages. They are intended to be a reward for stellar service.

And, to boot, for those states that still pay $2.13 an hour, it was made that back when the standard minimum wage was $4.15/hr, so 50%.  Now there are states like Nebraska who have a state minimum wage of $9.00/hr, yet the tipped minimum wage is still $2.13.  So we've gone from 50% to 23.6%.

 


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