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Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 25, 2011, 08:55:31 AM
I live north of Indy, but had a work assignment in Arkansas for 8 weeks. One week I drove, and I flew the other seven weeks.

With that background, the one week I drove, I took the long way to see the progress on highway. I started at US 231 near Crane where earth was being moved, but construction was only in preliminary stages. As I went south, a thunderstorm hit, but work at the SR 58 and US 50 interchanges was a bit further along. Other locations I saw were limited to tree removal, but at least it was under construction.

A couple of weeks ago I flew from Indy to Memphis on the way and from DFW to Indy on the way back so I saw the aerial view both from the east and west. That is where it is cool. You can see the 65+ miles of I-69 from north of Evansville clearly under construction, but it appeared to me that the constant thunderstorms this year may be taking its toll on the schedule. The only area where I saw no evidence of construction from the air was the approximately 4 mile section just east of Petersburg, but that contract was just awarded in early May.

I saw some overpasses, but the planes were still to high to see good details. The only paved area I could clearly see was the section just north of where I-69 terminates at SR 68. All in all, it was just pretty cool to see that so much of this much needed highway is actually being built.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on June 25, 2011, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 25, 2011, 08:55:31 AM
I live north of Indy, but had a work assignment in Arkansas for 8 weeks. One week I drove, and I flew the other seven weeks.

With that background, the one week I drove, I took the long way to see the progress on highway. I started at US 231 near Crane where earth was being moved, but construction was only in preliminary stages. As I went south, a thunderstorm hit, but work at the SR 58 and US 50 interchanges was a bit further along. Other locations I saw were limited to tree removal, but at least it was under construction.

A couple of weeks ago I flew from Indy to Memphis on the way and from DFW to Indy on the way back so I saw the aerial view both from the east and west. That is where it is cool. You can see the 65+ miles of I-69 from north of Evansville clearly under construction, but it appeared to me that the constant thunderstorms this year may be taking its toll on the schedule. The only area where I saw no evidence of construction from the air was the approximately 4 mile section just east of Petersburg, but that contract was just awarded in early May.

I saw some overpasses, but the planes were still to high to see good details. The only paved area I could clearly see was the section just north of where I-69 terminates at SR 68. All in all, it was just pretty cool to see that so much of this much needed highway is actually being built.

Photos?

:poke:

:cool:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on June 25, 2011, 02:17:34 PM
Last time I checked in late April it appeared almost ready to go north of it's current ending.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 25, 2011, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 25, 2011, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 25, 2011, 08:55:31 AM
I live north of Indy, but had a work assignment in Arkansas for 8 weeks. One week I drove, and I flew the other seven weeks.

With that background, the one week I drove, I took the long way to see the progress on highway. I started at US 231 near Crane where earth was being moved, but construction was only in preliminary stages. As I went south, a thunderstorm hit, but work at the SR 58 and US 50 interchanges was a bit further along. Other locations I saw were limited to tree removal, but at least it was under construction.

A couple of weeks ago I flew from Indy to Memphis on the way and from DFW to Indy on the way back so I saw the aerial view both from the east and west. That is where it is cool. You can see the 65+ miles of I-69 from north of Evansville clearly under construction, but it appeared to me that the constant thunderstorms this year may be taking its toll on the schedule. The only area where I saw no evidence of construction from the air was the approximately 4 mile section just east of Petersburg, but that contract was just awarded in early May.

I saw some overpasses, but the planes were still to high to see good details. The only paved area I could clearly see was the section just north of where I-69 terminates at SR 68. All in all, it was just pretty cool to see that so much of this much needed highway is actually being built.

Photos?

:poke:

:cool:

Mike
Excuses (but true ones): The drive was the day of the Joplin tornado and my destination was less than 100 miles from there. The weather was very unstable that day in Indiana and so I missed some great shots because of heavy thunderstorms. Around Washington, my wife called so I didn't take a picture there either despite it having cleared up. As for the planes, it didn't even cross my mind that I might see I-69 so all I had was my iPod Touch camera. I will drive down there in August or September on my own time.

These are all I got:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2Faa%2FI69fromAir.jpg&hash=8b9792731ced9d48eb27f6d0ecaf37869e4a0bec)
From flight IND-MEM over Crane
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2Faa%2FI69NB-2.JPG&hash=e29847d46538d926356475e7456eec4316f03b73)
Looking north at current terminus at SR 68 (paved as far as you can see, but not up to SR 168)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2Faa%2FUS231atI69-3.jpg&hash=927de3f3b14ae074f57052f9ed718ab770d21309)
SB US 231 at I-69 between big thunderstorms
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on June 25, 2011, 10:05:42 PM
It's highly unusual for roads to be built in big chunks like this. Kentucky hasn't built stretches this long of new road in years. We typically relocate roads in short segments (5 miles or so). Amazing -- and very good -- to see such a long stretch of a new road being constructed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on June 26, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
For those of us who were to young to see the boom of the 60's and early 70's Interstate construction. This is a big time treat and somewhat shows us that the US can still build roads and build them in a hurry.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on June 26, 2011, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 25, 2011, 06:14:19 PM
I saw some overpasses, but the planes were still to high to see good details. The only paved area I could clearly see was the section just north of where I-69 terminates at SR 68. All in all, it was just pretty cool to see that so much of this much needed highway is actually being built.


Excuses (but true ones): The drive was the day of the Joplin tornado and my destination was less than 100 miles from there. The weather was very unstable that day in Indiana and so I missed some great shots because of heavy thunderstorms. Around Washington, my wife called so I didn't take a picture there either despite it having cleared up. As for the planes, it didn't even cross my mind that I might see I-69 so all I had was my iPod Touch camera. I will drive down there in August or September on my own time.

These are all I got:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2Faa%2FI69NB-2.JPG&hash=e29847d46538d926356475e7456eec4316f03b73)
Looking north at current terminus at SR 68 (paved as far as you can see, but not up to SR 168)

We drove through Evansville on May 27th and checked out the I-69 stub as well:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/i-069_nb_app_in-068.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/i-069_nb_app_in-068.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/in-068_at_i-069.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/in-068_at_i-069.jpg)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on June 29, 2011, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Alex on June 26, 2011, 12:41:13 PM
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/in-068_at_i-069.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/in-068_at_i-069.jpg)

Those outside breakdown lanes are what, two feet wide? What's the deal with that???
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 29, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
Quote from: vtk on June 29, 2011, 07:04:24 PM

Those outside breakdown lanes are what, two feet wide? What's the deal with that???

I think the outer breakdown lane is partly concrete and partly asphalt.  it's tough to tell from the contrast, but it looks to me like the width of the concrete is about 2 1/2 lanes, not just 2.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on June 29, 2011, 10:29:32 PM
^ Could be the asphalt shoulder doesn't go to the same depth of the PCC pavement and a later lift has yet to be added.  That wider section of PCC at the bottom of the photo looks odd though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on July 22, 2011, 05:44:40 PM
It's a big chunk under construction because 1) Indiana's share is coming out of the toll road lease yeild and 2) the governor and INDOT took advantage of the recession and lower than expected bids. The schedule was accelerated to avoid any increase in costs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2011, 09:06:10 PM

From the Evansville Courier-Press: "UPDATE: Portion of I-69 project receives final approval on environmental impact "

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/jul/25/portion-i-69-project-receives-final-approval-envir/ (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/jul/25/portion-i-69-project-receives-final-approval-envir/)

"The Indiana Department of Transportation announced Monday the state has completed its set of plans for a section that will run from the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to Bloomington.

It expects to win approval from the Federal Highway Administration later this summer, and at that point, construction can begin."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wriddle082 on July 25, 2011, 11:05:35 PM
Quote from: vtk on June 29, 2011, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Alex on June 26, 2011, 12:41:13 PM
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/in-068_at_i-069.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/in-068_at_i-069.jpg)

Those outside breakdown lanes are what, two feet wide? What's the deal with that???

The shoulders you're seeing are the asphalt underlayment for the final concrete surface.  The shoulders, when completed, will be concrete of standard widths (10' on the right and I think 4' on the left, or maybe it's 5').  At the bottom of the photo it looks like the contractor finished the shoulders on a short portion just wide enough for construction vehicles and machinery to cross both carriageways without damaging the edges of the travel lanes.  Finishing off the shoulders the rest of the way is probably one of the final construction steps in this project, followed by rumble strip grinding, diamond grinding the travel lanes, and finally striping.

I should also add that I commend InDOT for building this highway correctly the first time with concrete!  Having recently moved from a state that primarily uses asphalt (Tennessee) to one that recently built several new roads in concrete (South Carolina), it's good to see other states spend the extra money for a surface that I feel provides more advantages than disadvantages, both from a longevity and a safety standpoint.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 26, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
I would say those are the final shoulders. Below is a photo from the recently-opened US 24 east of Fort Wayne. It has PCCP, but with asphalt shoulders. The new US 31 freeway has the same thing, but the high volume freeways generally get PCCP for everything.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FUS24p2.jpg&hash=eda141ed103a56f9db6a96afbdea4e2e1c41a4e2)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on July 26, 2011, 10:50:48 PM
Looks like Pete Rahn's "Pratical Design" has made it to the Hoosier State.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 29, 2011, 06:58:59 PM
More I-69 news from today: Daniels renews support for I-69 during Crane Technology Park ceremony... "we'll see it (I-69) through in Bloomington, whether they like it or not"


http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206&ArticleID=61068 (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206&ArticleID=61068)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 31, 2011, 12:15:33 AM
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110730/NEWS02/307300062/Indiana-s-transportation-commissioner-rejects-Monroe-County-plan-excluding-69 (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110730/NEWS02/307300062/Indiana-s-transportation-commissioner-rejects-Monroe-County-plan-excluding-69)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on August 05, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
Like I have said before maybe INDOT can remove all exits in Monroe County or at least make them toll. Shallow yes but given the pain in the butt the NIMBY's in Monroe County have been it's well, well deserved.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: njroadhorse on August 06, 2011, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: tvketchum on July 22, 2011, 05:44:40 PM
It's a big chunk under construction because 1) Indiana's share is coming out of the toll road lease yeild and 2) the governor and INDOT took advantage of the recession and lower than expected bids. The schedule was accelerated to avoid any increase in costs.

Well played on INDOT's part to acceleerate things. I wish other DOTs would do that sometimes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on September 01, 2011, 10:26:36 AM
Section 2 (I-64 to Indiana 64) and Section 3 (Indiana 64 to Crane) are both still on track to be open to traffic by December, 2012.  FHWA is expected to issue a ROD regarding Section 4 (Crane to Bloomington) tomorrow [some construction photos are included with the linked article]:
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/aug/29/no-headline---ev_interstate69/

Quote
Interstate 69 from Evansville to Crane is on time and under budget, say Indiana Department of Transportation officials who hope to soon say the same about the stretch from there to Bloomington, Ind.
With a decision from the Federal Highway Administration expected Friday, contractors may proceed with construction on the Crane to Bloomington corridor, known as Section 4, said Cher Elliott, spokeswoman for INDOT's Vincennes District.
The highway I-69 route roughly parallels Indiana 57 northeast from I-64 to U.S. 50 at Washington, where it bypasses the town to the east and extends north to U.S. 231 and Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center and then to Bloomington, Ind.
The federal "record of decision" is necessary to use federal funds on the Section 4 stretch, which will be paid for with state gasoline tax and federal transportation funds, Elliott said. The estimated cost is $384 million ...
Section 2, which runs roughly from Interstate 64 north to just past Indiana 64 near Oakland City, will be half finished by late November, she said. Section 3, which ends at Crane, is halfway done.
Both sections are expected to open to traffic by December 2012. The fourth section, from Crane to Bloomington, is expected to open to traffic in 2014 ...
However, progress on the segment nearest Bloomington remains on hold pending the resolution of a dispute with the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization. The group is responsible, by federal law, for coordinating transportation projects in its area. However, it did not include the I-69 extension in an updated local transportation plan approved in May.
In order to receive federal funds, all road-building projects must be included in the transportation plans of any such organization through which the roads would pass, in addition to regional and state plans.
Indiana Transportation Commissioner Michael Cline has said he will not give the plan the state approval it needs to make it official.
Sarvis said the state can continue planning on the disputed I-69 segment under the authority of the existing transportation plan but construction needs an updated, approved plan.
No timeline has been set to complete the last sections of I-69 which follow the route of Indiana 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on September 04, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
I looked at Rand McNally's latest in Wal Mart and still see no showing of progress of freeways between Evansville and Indy.  I am glad to hear that it is happening.  Too bad they can't build it inside the 465 loop like originally planned, it would be interesting to see those ghost ramps to be used at the North- East end of the I-65 and I-70 con-currency that were abandoned.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on September 04, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 04, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
I looked at Rand McNally's latest in Wal Mart and still see no showing of progress of freeways between Evansville and Indy.  I am glad to hear that it is happening.  Too bad they can't build it inside the 465 loop like originally planned, it would be interesting to see those ghost ramps to be used at the North- East end of the I-65 and I-70 con-currency that were abandoned.

Every example I can think of where an interchange with ghost ramps had the missing freeway built, the interchange in question was partially or entirely redesigned anyway.  Even if I-69 were built through central Indianapolis, I think it's far more likely the whole downtown freeway system would be reconfigured, rather than simply hooking up to the stubs and building out the original design.  After all, those highways were designed to handle projected traffic up to something like 1980 at best.  Channeling even more traffic through downtown without a complete redesign would be unthinkable for most planners.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 04, 2011, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 04, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
I looked at Rand McNally's latest in Wal Mart and still see no showing of progress of freeways between Evansville and Indy.  I am glad to hear that it is happening.  Too bad they can't build it inside the 465 loop like originally planned, it would be interesting to see those ghost ramps to be used at the North- East end of the I-65 and I-70 con-currency that were abandoned.

The new Indiana highway map does have the I-69 corridor marked as "under construction" all the way to US 231 at Crane and has the new exits along the route marked.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Duke87 on September 05, 2011, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 04, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
Every example I can think of where an interchange with ghost ramps had the missing freeway built, the interchange in question was partially or entirely redesigned anyway.

Counterexample: I-84/CT 9.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on September 06, 2011, 01:33:03 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 05, 2011, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 04, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
Every example I can think of where an interchange with ghost ramps had the missing freeway built, the interchange in question was partially or entirely redesigned anyway.

Counterexample: I-84/CT 9.

How long between initial construction and completion?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2011, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 05, 2011, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 04, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
Every example I can think of where an interchange with ghost ramps had the missing freeway built, the interchange in question was partially or entirely redesigned anyway.

Counterexample: I-84/CT 9.
CT 9 was never fully completed, but the overpasses were already in place, making a redesign very unlikely if it were. This happened at "PA 90" (Betsy Ross Bridge) and I-95, where the only change from the original design is that the overpasses weren't built across I-95 to connect NJ 90 to the local Philly street grid - but the ramps are identical.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on September 06, 2011, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 04, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
I looked at Rand McNally's latest in Wal Mart and still see no showing of progress of freeways between Evansville and Indy.  I am glad to hear that it is happening.  Too bad they can't build it inside the 465 loop like originally planned, it would be interesting to see those ghost ramps to be used at the North- East end of the I-65 and I-70 con-currency that were abandoned.

There's not some idle plans for an at grade version beginning at the northern I-65/I-70 interchange?  It appears from Google Earth some of the bridges over the unbuilt ramps have seen some significant work when such bridges would have been removed elsewhere (as happens with most bridges over abandoned railroads).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on September 09, 2011, 08:26:07 AM
FHWA has approved Section 4 from Crane to Bloomington.  Drama between INDOT and Bloomingtom MPO still has to play out:
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Federal-agency-approves-new-S-Ind-I-69-section-2162464.php

Quote
Federal officials have approved construction plans for a hotly debated section of the Interstate 69 extension in southern Indiana.
State officials say the Federal Highway Administration on Thursday endorsed the 27-mile stretch proposed for the highway from near the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to just south of Bloomington.
The state highway department expects construction to start on that section by year's end, but that is being complicated by a Bloomington area transportation board's decision to not support the route because of environmental and quality of life concerns.
The board is scheduled to discuss the plan Friday afternoon, although The Herald-Times reports Bloomington Mayor Mark Kruzan (kroo-ZAN') is asking members to postpone a vote until November so that the state can answer questions about the project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on September 09, 2011, 11:42:09 AM
Might be shallow but wouldn't it be sweet to see INDOT take all the exits and entrances out in the Bloomington area. They don't want it so they get no exits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: InterstateNG on September 09, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
Why should through traffic be punished with 10 miles without services due to the actions of a vocal minority?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on September 09, 2011, 09:16:09 PM
Put up Service plazas.................that would make em mad. Pump the raw sewage right into their creeks or something.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on September 10, 2011, 01:25:09 AM
It would be even funnier if we dropped a nuke on Bloomington without warning.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on September 10, 2011, 09:02:39 AM
No they haven't gotten that level of bad people yet. Bloomington never wanted I-69 so it should recieve nothing from it's building. INDOT didn't start this as they to build this road to help Bloomington and sw Indiana. I would almost say reroute away from Bloomington but the trains already down the tracks.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: InterstateNG on September 10, 2011, 10:42:24 AM
Bloomington never wanted the freeway to barrel through their city.  I think that's reasonable.

The opposition currently are the usual types, but they are the minority.  If you wish to heed their lamentations by taking out exits that already exist, screwing through traffic and traffic destined for the university, be my guest, but I would prefer solutions that aren't a spiteful, childish waste of resources.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 10, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
The highway doesn't go through the city, it goes around it, even the interstate. Within the Bloomington city limits themselves, I wouldn't expect much work to be done except for building the bridges on the exisiting crossings of 37 and keeping the exits themselves. Back when the 37 bypass was built that was mostly country, the fact there there is now housing developments and strip malls along 37 (especially at 3rd Street) is evidently because B-Town isn't as committed to combating sprawl as they are to stopping highways. They hate building interstates through farmland and forest but have no problem with building strip malls and housing developments there? Though in the spirit of what's been said here so far, keep the routing and keep the exisiting interchanges, but build tollbooths at each of the exit ramps, and please don't nuke it (I'd hate to see Brown County get nuclear radiation.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on September 10, 2011, 10:37:26 PM
I think most people have gotten their fill of the NIMBY's in Bloomington and Monoroe County. I know in Louisville River Fields will have to enter a Witness Protection Program.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 12, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Just looked at the Record of Decision on Section 4, I-69 is slated to end at SR 37 at a stop light and not as an interchange, at least initally. The ROW for the interchange will be obtained and the space cleared out, but they aren't planning on building the exit until they start working on Section 5, whenever that would be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on September 12, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 12, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Just looked at the Record of Decision on Section 4, I-69 is slated to end at SR 37 at a stop light and not as an interchange, at least initally. The ROW for the interchange will be obtained and the space cleared out, but they aren't planning on building the exit until they start working on Section 5, whenever that would be.

Will the intersection geometry favor through traffic on SR 37, or will it favor through traffic for I-69 ( / future I-69)?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 12, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 12, 2011, 06:54:54 PM

Will the intersection geometry favor through traffic on SR 37, or will it favor through traffic for I-69 ( / future I-69)?

I guess INDOT might favor through traffic for I-69 and by curiosity, someone posted the proposed future interchange on OpenStreetmap
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=39.11085,-86.55935&z=15&t=K&marker0=39.16222%2C-86.52917%2CBloomington%2C%20Indiana

Wouldn't be ironic to see years later, some of those NIMBYs seeing the light and enjoy driving on I-69? ;)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2011, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: InterstateNG on September 09, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
Why should through traffic be punished with 10 miles without services due to the actions of a vocal minority?

10 miles without services is a hardship or punishment?  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 12, 2011, 10:46:21 PM
Through traffic on I-69 will be favored with the final interchange, as traffic going south that way will have to exit off of I-69 to continue on SR 37 south. Traffic going north on 37 will go through a loop to head south on I-69 and northbound traffic will flow straight into I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on September 13, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 12, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Just looked at the Record of Decision on Section 4, I-69 is slated to end at SR 37 at a stop light and not as an interchange, at least initally. The ROW for the interchange will be obtained and the space cleared out, but they aren't planning on building the exit until they start working on Section 5, whenever that would be.
Environmental surveying for Section 5 is scheduled to begin on September 19; it will be conducted along SR 37 all the way to SR 39 in Morgan County (article has a photo of the Tapp Road/SR 37 intersection):
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-sending-surveyors-section-5-i69-corridor-20364/

Maybe INDOT is sending a message to Bloomington/Monroe County ...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 09, 2011, 09:37:45 AM
Below is a link to an interesting article about the battle between Bloominington MPO and INDOT:
Feds' answers to I-69 questions show local MPO, state both have power, needs (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=62072)

Here is a photo of I-69 a mile south of SR 58 in Daviess County taken on September 30, 2011:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FI%2FI69-DaviessCounty.jpg&hash=5f1135774042ee935054288e3fd2d11123595a85)

Looking east on I-69 from US 231 near Crane:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FI%2FI69--US231.jpg&hash=96a23c15e8d5957524c8c28ec7891a67db378473)

US 231 is being straightened at the new I-69 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FI%2FI69--US231-2.jpg&hash=c624feef47b69c0d07da46c639daafabf1899f9f)


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 09, 2011, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 09, 2011, 09:37:45 AM
Below is a link to an interesting article about the battle between Bloominington MPO and INDOT:
Feds' answers to I-69 questions show local MPO, state both have power, needs (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=62072)

[Somewhat related side rant] Maybe some good will come out of this conflict, and Indiana's Congressmen will get MPO's stripped of some of their powers so the state DOTs can get back to doing the job right.  Many MPOs such as the one for Bloomington only seem good for messing things up anymore.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 14, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
Indiana Economic Digest - INDOT to Bloomington: No I-69, no road funding (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=62166)

"INDOT expects that construction of I-69 sections 4 and 5 will be included in the BMCMPO's TIP. If I-69 is not included in the TIP, the current TIP will expire and funds for federal transportation projects in the BMCMPO's planning area will be cut off until the impasse ends. INDOT does not expect, and is not planning for, a scenario in which I-69 is omitted from the BMCMPO's TIP."


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 23, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
Link to current INDOT I-69 contracts (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=213182639241284197299.00049e718f32b3c69149c&ie=UTF8&ll=38.546017,-87.192993&spn=1.031094,1.757813&z=9&source=embed). The next contract northeast from US 231 is scheduled to be let in November, and the one taking I-69 up to the Monroe County line (SR 445) is scheduled for December. Beyond that, what happens with the Bloomington MPO decides whether or not it will connect to SR 37. INDOT says that Federal and state funding to transit systems in Bloomington will be withheld in addition to the road funding if I-69 is not added to the TIP.

Recent photos: US 231 being straightened and soil stabilized at I-69 interchange (10/22):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FUS231-I-69.jpg&hash=4c6868f6afcc5dfe0e62c4d05adad6cbbc6b24af)

SR 58 bridge over I-69 (10/22):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FSR58-I-69.jpg&hash=e3692d7bf977782ecefeaa108d2998ca9573e772)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on October 23, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
Should've just bypassed Bloomington using the Terre Haute route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on October 23, 2011, 11:32:24 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 23, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
Should've just bypassed Bloomington using the Terre Haute route.

That's a bit of a drastic bypass.  Might be easier (particularly considering work already done) to bypass the county(s) covered by this stubborn MPO.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 23, 2011, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 23, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
Should've just bypassed Bloomington using the Terre Haute route.

Which would have done nothing for the areas that will benefit from the new alignment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 24, 2011, 07:21:36 AM
Exactly. Also, that particular I-69 route was partially selected so people from around the state can safely and efficiently travel to IU. Whether or not you like Bloomington, that is where the largest university in the state is located. If that weren't the case, perhaps the I-70/US 41 route may have worked, but it still would have been sub-optimal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rawmustard on October 24, 2011, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: mukade on October 23, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
SR 58 bridge over I-69 (10/22):
(snip image)

They've made significant progress since I passed through here September 4 (pilings were just starting to be driven)! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 24, 2011, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 24, 2011, 07:21:36 AM
Exactly. Also, that particular I-69 route was partially selected so people from around the state can safely and efficiently travel to IU. Whether or not you like Bloomington, that is where the largest university in the state is located. If that weren't the case, perhaps the I-70/US 41 route may have worked, but it still would have been sub-optimal.
And because that new terrain routing is the whole reason this I-69 thing snowballed into the monstrous insult to numbering convention it will become.  That was the original dream in Evansville, wasn't it? A freeway to Indy.
Gotta wonder if we'd even be talking about I-69 today if Evansville didn't get hosed by the routing of I-64.

Well at least we'll finally get an interstate connection between Houston and points northwest out of it.  That Houston - Shreveport segment in conjunction with I-49 to Texarkana should've been in the orignal plan, thus creating a logical route between Chicago and Houston, two of our biggest cities.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on October 24, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 24, 2011, 06:11:41 PMChicago and Houston, two of our biggest cities.

Third and fourth largest today.  In the late 50s, probably second and unranked.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 24, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
I-69 will be a long diagonal route.  Almost all diagonal interstates violate the numbering convention for much of their length.

As far as Evansville getting hosed by the I-64 routing, they really didn't get hosed.  The original routing though Vincennes would had hosed Evansville.  It got moved to its current location within 12 miles of the city, at least partially to provide better access to Evansville. However, it is true that Evansville did indeed feel "hosed" by the lack of a direct freeway connection to Indianapolis.

The four-laning of US 41 north to I-70 in the 1970's was an earlier attempt to alleviate that situation.  It was billed as an all four-lane route between Evansville and Indianapolis.  Governor Bowen said as much when he cut the ribbon on the last section of 41 to be four-laned (Shelburn bypass in 1975, as I recall).  And it was and is a four-lane route, but it is not as direct as the I-69 route will be and not all freeway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: exit322 on October 25, 2011, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 24, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 24, 2011, 06:11:41 PMChicago and Houston, two of our biggest cities.

Third and fourth largest today.  In the late 50s, probably second and unranked.

2 and 14.  But yeah, Houston's exploded.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on October 26, 2011, 12:56:02 PM
At yesterday's I-69 ceremony in Kentucky, INDOT officials hinted that they may use the "Kentucky model" to try and get an early I-69 designation for the State Road 37 segment of Sections 5 and 6 from Bloomington to Indianapolis:
http://www.carmitimes.com/area_news/x493114659/First-I-69-section-opens-in-Kentucky

Quote
Members of the Indiana Department of Transportation Interstate 69 project team joined Kentucky transportation officials Tuesday to celebrate and learn more about their successful efforts to extend the interstate highway through Kentucky.
I-69 signage is now being installed along 55 miles of Interstate 24 and the Wendell Ford/Western Kentucky Parkway, which is being upgraded to interstate standards.
"Indiana congratulates Kentucky on receiving federal approval to upgrade some of their existing parkways for I-69," said Samuel Sarvis, Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) deputy commissioner for major program management. "Kentucky's efforts show Indiana ways the existing State Road 37 might be transformed into I-69 Sections 5 and 6."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on October 26, 2011, 01:23:40 PM
Methinks somebody doesn't understand that Kentucky's parkways are full freeways...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 26, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 26, 2011, 01:23:40 PM
Methinks somebody doesn't understand that Kentucky's parkways are full freeways...

were they already interstate standard?  I had thought some had been substandard, and therefore the Indiana DOT commissioner did have a point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheStranger on October 26, 2011, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 26, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 26, 2011, 01:23:40 PM
Methinks somebody doesn't understand that Kentucky's parkways are full freeways...

were they already interstate standard?  I had thought some had been substandard, and therefore the Indiana DOT commissioner did have a point.

IIRC some of the parkways (but not all) have been upgraded, but in any case all of them are limited access (unlike SR 37 in Indiana, excepting the section along I-465 and the Bloomington bypass).

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on October 26, 2011, 02:39:21 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 26, 2011, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 26, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 26, 2011, 01:23:40 PM
Methinks somebody doesn't understand that Kentucky's parkways are full freeways...
were they already interstate standard?  I had thought some had been substandard, and therefore the Indiana DOT commissioner did have a point.
IIRC some of the parkways (but not all) have been upgraded, but in any case all of them are limited access (unlike SR 37 in Indiana, excepting the section along I-465 and the Bloomington bypass).
Given the current tension between INDOT and the Bloomington/ Monroe County MPO, maybe the Bloomington bypass was precisely his point!  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 26, 2011, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 26, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
were they already interstate standard?  I had thought some had been substandard, and therefore the Indiana DOT commissioner did have a point.

The I-69 AASHTO application posted elsewhere spells out pretty nicely what the deficiencies are, what will have to be corrected, and what has been granted an exception.

But any way you slice it, even without any upgrades, the Kentucky parkways are closer to modern interstate standards than I-70 between New Stanton and Washington.  :bigass: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 26, 2011, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on October 26, 2011, 02:39:21 PM
Given the current tension between INDOT and the Bloomington/ Monroe County MPO, maybe the Bloomington bypass was precisely his point! 

That would be poetic justice, but maybe only a mile in Bloomington might qualify as freeway thanks to the Vernal Pike traffic light. Indiana does plan to upgrade SR 37 where it can in the next few years, though. See Martinsville residents may not see I-69 work for 4 years, INDOT official says (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=61811&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=235&S=1). So maybe he is suggesting each section get the I-69 designation when completed.

Personally, I'd like to see I-164 become I-69 ASAP.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on October 26, 2011, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 26, 2011, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on October 26, 2011, 02:39:21 PM
Given the current tension between INDOT and the Bloomington/ Monroe County MPO, maybe the Bloomington bypass was precisely his point! 

That would be poetic justice, but maybe only a mile in Bloomington might qualify as freeway thanks to the Vernal Pike traffic light. Indiana does plan to upgrade SR 37 where it can in the next few years, though. See Martinsville residents may not see I-69 work for 4 years, INDOT official says (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=61811&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=235&S=1). So maybe he is suggesting each section get the I-69 designation when completed.

Personally, I'd like to see I-164 become I-69 ASAP.

I don't want to see I-164 I-181'd just yet...  X-(

At least I clinched it in May and likely will drive it again next weekend.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 27, 2011, 03:38:21 PM
This is significant news regarding I-69 to Bloomington: "Local officials can't stop construction of Interstate 69 to Ind. 37 in Monroe County, but they can influence how the interstate looks as it turns north and heads toward Indianapolis..."

See Bloomington could block federal funds for local leg of I-69 but to no avail (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=62344)

A better article is here:
UPDATE: Feds say state can build debated stretch of I-69 (http://www.ibj.com/feds-state-can-build-debated-stretch-of-i69/PARAMS/article/30384) (IBJ)

"Bob Tally, Indiana division administrator of the Federal Highway Administration, told planning committee members on Wednesday that the [MPO] could not stop the state from building the highway section because the federal agency already has approved that segment..."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 27, 2011, 03:51:23 PM
Two recent I-69 editorials from southern Indiana newspapers:

From Bloomington:
EDITORIAL: Threat to local funding is real over I-69/Bloomington impasse (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=206&articleID=62261)

From Evansville:
EDITORIAL: Next governor likely to complete Interstate 69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/oct/25/next-governor-likely-to-complete-interstate-69/)

The takeaway I see is that attitudes may have been adjusted slightly in Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on October 28, 2011, 07:48:28 AM
I am a bit confused by this. I can see why Bloomington officials would be opposed to I-69 (added traffic), but wouldn't those issues have been worked out during the EIS phase? Was there plenty of citizen input? Did INDOT publicize the meetings well enough so that people would have the chance to attend?

I guess what I am saying is that...wouldn't this also be an opportunity to relieve some of the traffic problems along IN 37 in Bloomington?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 28, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
The disagreement is very old. These are the people that first did not want any form of I-69 in southern Indiana, and then proposed an I-70/US 41 route to avoid the new terrain routing through Bloomington when it was clear I-69 would be built. To say this issue has been contentious around Bloomington for many, many years would be an understatement. Rather than accepting the selected 2003 routing, this group has instead embarked on an obstuctionist strategy.

So logically, it would make a lot of sense - existing SR 37 with stoplights and cross traffic would be faster and safer, the hilly and curvy roads like SR 45 would be relegated to secondary status, and the largest university in the state would become more accessible to millions more citizens. None of that matters to them.

It should be noted that areas southwest of Bloomington are generally strong supporters of I-69.

Now that INDOT can build I-69 to SR 37 and can/will withhold all Federal money for roads and transit, the MPO has a big decision to make on November 4. Will they back down or continue? If they continue, INDOT cannot upgrade current SR 37 through Bloomington. It would be a pretty high price for the Bloomington MPO to continue these tactics given these two facts, but you just never know.

This week INDOT accepted bids on the next four miles past US 231 (looks like Crider & Crider is low bidder) so 72 miles of continuous interstate construction will be underway by early spring. By the end of 2011, at least 10 additional miles to SR 445 should be under contract.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on October 28, 2011, 10:34:05 AM
Having family in Bloomington. I would say a good sized portion of that town wants I-69. Problem is the opposition is very connected polictically and will hurt Bloomington in the long run.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 03, 2011, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on October 28, 2011, 10:34:05 AM
Having family in Bloomington. I would say a good sized portion of that town wants I-69. Problem is the opposition is very connected polictically and will hurt Bloomington in the long run.

Yes, that is correct.

Below are some interesting articles that show the split and general discord there. First, the background is a serious accident that critically injured four people on US 231 in the I-69 construction zone (near where previously posted picture was taken). Even though one driver passed in a no passing zone causing the accident, the anti-I-69 people called for construction to stop. Citing recent wrecks, I-69 foes demand construction be stopped (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=181&ArticleID=62454) (from Herald Times). You can't read articles directly from the H-T web site without subscribing for $$$, but they do allow anyone to read comments on the story (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMS8xMS8wMy9uZXdzLnFwLTcyNzUxOTkuc3Rv).

Second, there are I-69 comments from an H-T editorial (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMS8xMS8wMy9kaWdpdGFsY2l0eS5xcC0yNjg5NzUzLnN0bw==) today that are quite lively. Pretty much, half of Monroe County has similar opinions of the activists that the majority of Indiana has about them.

To help everyone understand the attitude of the MPO, they demanded the FHWA and INDOT answer questions published in the H-T (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/09/22/0921_MPOqueries.pdf).

Finally, Governor Daniels made his plea to the MPO earlier this week: Daniels Pushes For I-69 Support In Bloomington (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/daniels-pushes-i69-support-bloomington-22657/) (from Indiana Public Media).

Tomorrow is the long awaited MPO meeting. It will be very interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 03, 2011, 06:57:56 PM
With the recent award of a four mile section going east and north from US 231 (INDOT October 26, 2011 Design Build Letting (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2011/oct26/oct26.htm)), 72 miles of I-69 are now under construction in southern Indiana. To put that in perspective, that is the same length as I-69 from the Indiana-Michigan line to I-96 in Lansing.

Contract awarded for building Crane-to-Bloomington section of I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/nov/03/no-headline---ev_i69/) (from Evansville Courier Press)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on November 07, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
Yikes....Looks like the fight in Bloomington is not going to be over soon....post about the Friday meeting there.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/nov/04/no-headline---ev_i-69bloomington/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on November 07, 2011, 07:20:24 PM
*sigh* Looks like the Bloomington-Monroe MPO and INDOT are guaranteeing the worst-case scenario - interstate traffic clogging up SR 37 (posted as Temp I-69) for decades.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on November 08, 2011, 06:33:44 AM
And that's exactly what Bloomington wants.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 08, 2011, 07:08:33 AM
That certainly is what a large vocal group of people there want. Today is election day so if these same group of rabidly anti-I69 activists get re-elected, we can safely say the majority of Bloomington is against I-69. One thing that makes me wonder if this group is a minority is that the Herald Times article comments about I-69 are invariably rated negatively for anti-I-69 comments and positive for pro-I-69 ones. So among the H-T readers, unscientifically, it seems more favor the road than oppose it.

BTW, one thing that you can say is that the activists are organized. That group of "citizens" that attended the meeting on November 4 did not just happen to attend. See http://www.carri69.org/ (http://www.carri69.org/). AFAIK, there are no organized pro-I-69 groups there.

Hopefully INDOT follows through and pulls all state and federal transportation funding if I-69 is not added to the TIP. A town like Bloomington depends on buses, so that would hurt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: purdueboiler on November 08, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
I don't get what the big dispute is about with these people.  I-69 is going to be built up to and connecting to SR 37 regardless.  From that point on the footprint of the interstate is already built on by SR 37.  What exactly are these people trying to stop???  Are a few interchanges going to really destroy the environment within Bloomington?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on November 08, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
Checked out the end at IN-68 yesterday, permanent signage is now in place along the spur of Interstate 69 northbound (the exit numbers are blank). It appears that the pavement is done leading north and that it is just a matter of time before the road gets extended northward. I have photos and will post some later (posted one (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150389531137948&set=a.10150201857597948.328078.181045197947&type=1&theater) on the AARoads on Facebook page yesterday).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on November 08, 2011, 10:57:26 AM
1) They are anti-freeway to begin with.

2) They would still rather prefer I-69 bypass Bloomington via US 41/I-70 through Vincennes/Terre Haute.

3) They don't respond too well to what they see as blackmail on InDOT's part.

4) They're totally out of their mind. (And yes, I'm left of center, but I don't agree with them at all.)


Anthony
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 08, 2011, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: Alex on November 08, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
Checked out the end at IN-68 yesterday, permanent signage is now in place along the spur of Interstate 69 northbound (the exit numbers are blank). It appears that the pavement is done leading north and that it is just a matter of time before the road gets extended northward. I have photos and will post some later (posted one (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150389531137948&set=a.10150201857597948.328078.181045197947&type=1&theater) on the AARoads on Facebook page yesterday).

Orginally, when that spur opened, it was signed as "Exit 22" which continued the I-164 mileage system, with I-64 being Exit 21. Soon after they removed it, possibly because a) Since I-69 will be joining I-164 around the Green River Road area and not at the 0 milemarker at US 41, the exits will be different anyway (only by about a number or two) and b) There is an Exit 22 on I-69 in Anderson, Indiana, so for a brief time there were actually two Exit 22s on the same highway but in different parts of the state. I'm guessing the official reason is more like with a, but anyhow, once the first three sections open up, a numbering system will have to be in place. As for Bloomington....oh boy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on November 08, 2011, 12:10:35 PM
There are only a limited number of at-grade intersections left along SR 37 at Bloomington anyway.  If INDOT connects I-69 to SR 37 from the south using state funds and then starts to gradually upgrade SR 37 to I-69 from the north, then Bloomington could end up being Indiana's version of Breezewood, PA.  Imagine the queues at those traffic lights in about 10 years, hahaha.   Actually, I suspect that something will be worked out on I-69 in the Bloomington area at some point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on November 08, 2011, 09:44:59 PM
Some of the photos shot yesterday (11-07) at the Interstate 69 current end at SR 68. [click for larger]

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 09, 2011, 06:53:06 AM
Quote from: purdueboiler on November 08, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
I don't get what the big dispute is about with these people.  I-69 is going to be built up to and connecting to SR 37 regardless.  From that point on the footprint of the interstate is already built on by SR 37.  What exactly are these people trying to stop???  Are a few interchanges going to really destroy the environment within Bloomington?

Don't look for any logic there. They have it all bass ackwards because once section 4 to SR 37 is built, the war will have been lost for them. INDOT has all approvals to build this part, but nonetheless, they are hellbent on winning the battle within their juridiction. The definition of winning is being as obstructionist to INDOT as possible. You would think that overpasses and interchanges on road that already exists would be something they want, but because INDOT wants that, they don't.

I haven't checked election results in Bloomington, but I think some of the key people like Andy Ruff were doing well early.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on November 09, 2011, 07:34:55 AM
Quote from: purdueboiler on November 08, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
I don't get what the big dispute is about with these people.  I-69 is going to be built up to and connecting to SR 37 regardless.  From that point on the footprint of the interstate is already built on by SR 37.  What exactly are these people trying to stop???  Are a few interchanges going to really destroy the environment within Bloomington?

I don't quite understand it either, but I think their concerns are increased traffic due to I-69 and the transport of hazardous cargo through Bloomington. The former would probably be alleviated by building the interstate, and the latter happens all of the time across the country.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 14, 2011, 05:02:39 PM
Editorial from the Evansville Courier Press on the recent antics of the Bloomington anti-I-69 people:
EDITORIAL: I-69 opponents' views on accidents, extortion are outrageous (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/nov/13/i-69-opponents-views-on-accidents-extortion-are/)

In the elections in Bloomington last week, after a major snafu counting votes, the same people were re-elected to office so expect more of the same.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 15, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
The new INDOT 18 Months Construction Letting List (http://www.in.gov/indot/div/lettings/18MonthsConstLettingDetailsMM_Ext.pdf) was posted today and finally includes all the sections closing the gap from US 231 to SR 37. The contracts are scheduled to be let between 12/2011 and 12/2012. Fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on November 15, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 15, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
The contracts are scheduled to be let between 12/2011 and 12/2012. Fingers crossed.
If certain provisions in Senate transportation bill survive, Bloomington/Monroe County MPO may cease to exist. Double fingers crossed.  :happy:
http://dc.streetsblog.org/2011/11/14/senate-bill-may-weaken-smaller-metros-empower-state-dots/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on November 15, 2011, 06:28:28 PM
^ Probably one of those too good to pass provisions similar to bumping the interstate speed limits in Illinois or Ohio up to 70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 18, 2011, 08:06:16 AM
Greene County is adjacent to Monroe County, where Bloomington is. Here is a recent editorial from their newspaper entitled "It's time for I-69 naysayers to let it go" (http://gcdailyworld.com/blogs/nickschneider/entry/44647/), which shows that popularity for the new road starts just south and west of Bloomington - where there are no safe or wide roads to anywhere.

North of Monroe County (Morgan and Marion Counties), there is a mix of pro and anti-I-69 sentiment. That is normal, but they the big difference is that they don't have the radical and obstructionist element that Bloomington has.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 18, 2011, 10:49:08 AM
Agree mukade as I read that article yesterday. Part of me wants to put GPS transmitters on all the I-69 opponents and see where they are driving in a few years when I-69 is done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 18, 2011, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on November 18, 2011, 10:49:08 AM
Agree mukade as I read that article yesterday. Part of me wants to put GPS transmitters on all the I-69 opponents and see where they are driving in a few years when I-69 is done.

An excellent point, but you don't need to wait. Look at article "24 Arrested After Statehouse Vandalized" (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4570146/detail.html). Seeing these people who protested/vandalized were from Michigan, Kentucky, Missouri, etc., how did they get to Indy? We all know the hypocrites drove the Interstates.

Anyway, that incident set the tone for the way INDOT would push forward. The next major protest would result in felony charges against two protesters/vandals under the Indiana Corrupt Business Influence Act (which is like RICO). If that would not have happened, I doubt that much of I-69 would be under construction today.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 18, 2011, 08:52:27 PM
"Chestwood, Ky." should be "Crestwood," which is a bedroom community for Loserville. The other Kentuckians were from Loserville. Those same four assholes are probably now members of River Fields and 8664.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 19, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
River Fields and 8664 aren't  those definations for arseholes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on November 19, 2011, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 18, 2011, 08:52:27 PM
"Chestwood, Ky." should be "Crestwood," which is a bedroom community for Loserville. The other Kentuckians were from Loserville. Those same four assholes are probably now members of River Fields and 8664.

And they probably will be imported to NOLA to bring down the I-10 Claiborne Elevated, too.

Anthony
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tidecat on November 27, 2011, 07:27:44 PM
River Fields and 8664 are opposed to each other; River Fields doesn't want the I-265 bridge around the East End of Louisville, 8864 does.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 28, 2011, 10:36:38 AM
And I'm opposed to both of them!  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on December 06, 2011, 09:47:31 PM
New Info.......

http://gcdailyworld.com/story/1791738.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 27, 2011, 10:49:18 PM
Editorial from Evansville:

EDITORIAL: Interstate 69 foes face an equally determined Daniels (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/dec/27/interstate-69-foes-face-an-equally-determined/)

Also, bids were taken for another section of I-69 before Christmas. I assume the contract award for the ~$85M project will be announced later this week.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on December 29, 2011, 09:12:53 AM
Indiana has 1.5 to 2.0 Billion in the bank (recently "found" a extra 300 million). So money is not a problem for them. Daniels has four aces in his hand and the Road Nutties have a pair of 2's. It's going to get built and I predict when it's built that suddenly Bloomington will fall in love with it. Haven't seen many rural towns say they don't like having Interstate road access.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 30, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
One thing of interest is that the KappaMap 2012 road atlas (formerly Universal, I think) shows I-69 as complete from SR 68 north to US 231 at Crane. It shows it under construction from US 231 north to Indy. I guess this is the counterbalance to Rand McNally's 2012 road atlas - one shows too much progress and one too little. Accuracy would be nice.

The Kentucky section that is signed is not shown in the KappaMap atlas, BTW.

So to wrap up 2011, Indiana has 72 continuous miles of new terrain I-69 from SR 68 north to 4.5 miles east of US 231 are under contract. A contract for what appears to be around 6 miles from SR 45 to SR 54 to a connector with SR 445 looks to be awarded to Kolb Grading out of Missouri shortly. There will be a gap of approximately 6 miles between the 72 mile section and this one. Next year should have the remaining sections from US 231 to SR 37 in Bloomington under construction. How a short part of that controversial stretch near SR 37 will be funded is not finalized thanks to the Bloomingtom MPO, but the state has the money in any event.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 30, 2011, 03:53:51 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on December 29, 2011, 09:12:53 AM
Indiana has 1.5 to 2.0 Billion in the bank (recently "found" a extra 300 million). So money is not a problem for them. Daniels has four aces in his hand and the Road Nutties have a pair of 2's. It's going to get built and I predict when it's built that suddenly Bloomington will fall in love with it. Haven't seen many rural towns say they don't like having Interstate road access.

I taught of the same thing, some NIMBY might found the light and fell in love with I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 30, 2011, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 30, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
One thing of interest is that the KappaMap 2012 road atlas (formerly Universal, I think) shows I-69 as complete from SR 68 north to US 231 at Crane. It shows it under construction from US 231 north to Indy. I guess this is the counterbalance to Rand McNally's 2012 road atlas - one shows too much progress and one too little. Accuracy would be nice.

Well, at least the official Indiana highway map has it correctly that the highway is under construction from SR 68 to Crane, but then again I would hope that they would be accurate. As for Bloomington, I think what will happen with those in town once the completion of the interstate is over is that the city of Bloomington won't change too much, will still be known for its atmosphere and will still attract people to its great university, interstate or not. Good city government and planners will ensue that the city remains as it is with or without the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 06, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
Another I-69 contract award for $74M:

INDOT awards contract for another section of I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jan/06/no-headline---ev_i-69/) (from Evansville Courier Press)

and

OFFICIAL TABULATION OF BIDS RECEIVED (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2011/dec21/OFFICIAL%20122111.pdf) (from INDOT)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on January 09, 2012, 10:13:39 AM
I noticed on Bing Maps that the arial view of the I-69 corridor has been updated in southwestern Indiana...pretty cool

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=38.293356515280294~-87.39932037197641&lvl=13&dir=0&sty=h&form=LMLTSN
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on January 09, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
^ Wow that shows a lot more of it under construction. It will be nice to see it updated to show the progress to Crane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 09, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
It is funny how so much of I-69 is shown, but older construction such as parts of SR 25, US 31 South Bend, and US 31 Kokomo aren't. US 24 construction is over a year old.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 13, 2012, 06:29:04 PM
Apparently INDOT and FHWA are fully fed up with the Bloomington MPO so they boycotted a meeting held by their I-69 subcommittee.

INDOT, FHWA Skip I-69 Subcommittee Meeting (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-fhwa-skip-i69-subcommittee-meeting-25569/) (from Indiana Public Media)

Adding a link to the the story comments in the Bloomington Herald Times for this subject. It is always a lively and interesting discussion although the same points seem to made over and over. One anti-I-69 poster insists (rationalizes) all funding for the entire road must be in place before the MPO can approve it.

MPO committee still seeking answers on I-69; decision may be delayed Comments (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMi8wMS8xNC9uZXdzLm1wby1jb21taXR0ZWUtc3RpbGwtc2Vla2luZy1hbnN3ZXJzLWZyb20taW5kb3Qtb24taS02OS5zdG8=)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on January 14, 2012, 09:20:06 AM
Bloomington keeps this up they might not like what they get for a Interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mightyace on January 15, 2012, 05:53:46 PM
Some people just don't know when they're licked.

Sometimes you just have to accept it and move on...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on January 15, 2012, 07:22:45 PM
It may take a few prominent Bloomington residents, or their kids, getting killed at stoplights on IN 37 on their way to or from Indy for them to realize the benefits of having an expressway linking their college town to the state's biggest city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 15, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
There really is no logic there anymore. It has become an embarrassing personal battle for the MPO against INDOT. The local Bloomington paper does not display articles (many of which sound like they may be interesting), but oddly, they do display comments for articles. The top comment in this link (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMS8xMC8yMS9uZXdzLnFwLTM0MzQ5NTguc3Rv&start=139) is a very insightful one even though the the author has anti-I-69 point-of-view. It describes the way MPOs work in most cities, and how the Bloomington MPO does not act.

I think there might be a small split of opinion in the Bloomington MPO - the pure "no I-69 in Bloomington" crowd vs. the "we need to get local road improvements in exchange for a yes vote crowd". Nonetheless, it still comes down to always either postponing or voting "no" to putting I-69 in the TIP.

One thing I wondered was about the anti-I-69 people's talking points. They claim that unless the funding is in place for the entire project (i.e. to Indianapolis), INDOT cannot legally build any of the road. By that logic, the Ohio River Bridge also needs funding, I guess. Where did they come up with that idea? Is there any truth to it? If so, every state is violating that rule.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 17, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
For anyone interested in reading letters about I-69 exchanged between INDOT and the Bloomington MPO (and others) you can see them here (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-letters-mpo-indot-fhwa-released-25629/) (from Indiana Public Media).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on January 24, 2012, 12:02:21 PM
I-69: Are We There Yet? (http://gcdailyworld.com/story/1807665.html), an Indiana public television documentary, will air Thursday night (it will also be streamed live).  After the documentary is aired, some of the major players will answer questions from the viewing audience via phone, email, facebook and twitter.  Might be an opportunity to ask Martin and Tokarski some tough questions:

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The joint radio and television news department of Indiana public broadcasting stations WFIU and WTIU is premiering a documentary on the history of I-69 on Thursday at 8 p.m.
The hour-long documentary will air simultaneously on WFIU Public Radio and WTIU Public Television.
I-69: Are We There Yet? offers a local, regional, and national perspective on Interstate 69, a highway whose history stretches more than 20 years, and the debates over which remain headline news.
To watch a brief preview of the documentary, visit indianapublicmedia.org/i69 .
"The idea for Interstate 69 as well as the first organized opposition to the road began in Indiana more than two decades ago," says Sara Wittmeyer, WFIU/WTIU News Bureau Chief. "Today the road remains one of the most contentious issues in the state. This documentary examines the complicated history from both perspectives."
Members of the media are invited to attend the premiere at the WFIU and WTIU studios.
Following the premiere of the documentary there will be a panel discussion featuring stakeholders on various sides of the issue.
Scheduled guests include:
* Richard Martin, Bloomington Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization
* Ron Arnold, Daviess County Economic Development Corporation
* Thomas Tokarski, CARR co-founder.
The live panel will take questions from the radio and TV audiences by phone (Skype + 1-800-987-9848), email news@indianapublicmedia.org, and through social media sites Facebook (facebook.com/interstate69) and Twitter (@Inpubmedianews #i69).
The documentary will be made available for subsequent broadcast by NPR and PBS affiliates nationwide.
WFIU -- Public Radio from Indiana University -- broadcasts in Bloomington at 103.7 FM, with translators in Columbus at 100.7 FM, French Lick/West Baden at 101.7 FM, Greensburg at 98.9 FM, Kokomo at 106.1 FM, and Terre Haute at 95.1 FM.
All content can be streamed live online at wfiu.org. WFIU is an NPR member station offering local and national news as well as jazz and classical music.
WTIU is the PBS television station owned and operated by Indiana University and serves over 350,000 households in 29 counties in West and South Central Indiana. WTIU airs programming on four digital channels 24 hours a day, and produces local, regional and national programs.

Here's the two minute preview of the documentary. (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/special-features/i-69-are-we-there-yet/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on January 25, 2012, 02:57:17 PM
Any idea of what the final exit number for SR 68 will be?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 25, 2012, 08:15:54 PM
Quote from: Alex on January 25, 2012, 02:57:17 PM
Any idea of what the final exit number for SR 68 will be?

Exit 21 is my guess. It is about 3 miles from US 41 to where I-69 will join current I-164. It is about 1.8 miles from I-164 to the Ohio River. Therefore, the difference is about 1 mile less on I-69 (future) than I-164. Considering that SR 68 was exit 22 on I-69 using I-164's numbering, that should make it 21 but it depends on how close SR 68 is to the mile marker, of course.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 25, 2012, 11:09:26 PM
Recent I-69 articles from Bloomington:
INDOT Updates MPO Technical Committee On I-69 (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-updates-mpo-technical-committee-i69-25975/) (Indiana Public Media)

Property Owners Say I-69 Is Forcing Them To Move Too Quickly (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/property-owners-i69-making-move-quickly-25947/) (Indiana Public Media)

INDOT pressing ahead with I-69 construction in Section 4 - COMMENTS (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMi8wMS8yNS9uZXdzLmluZG90LXByZXNzaW5nLWFoZWFkLXdpdGgtaS02OS1jb25zdHJ1Y3Rpb24taW4tc2VjdGlvbi00LnN0bw=http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMi8wMS8yNS9uZXdzLmluZG90LXByZXNzaW5nLWFoZWFkLXdpdGgtaS02OS1jb25zdHJ1Y3Rpb24taW4tc2VjdGlvbi00LnN0bw==) (Bloomington Herald Times)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 26, 2012, 07:19:25 AM
Below is a link to a rare full online article in the Herald-Times that you can see without a subscription. As background, Morgan County sits between Monroe County (Bloomington) and Indy. Despite a significant anti I-69 sentiment there over the years, they seemed to have settled on a much different approach than Bloomington's. From what I have read, the construction of I-69 in Martinsville may begin in 2014. This year's INDOT lettings include demolition of buildings there in preparation of the new highway.

Morgan County: A blue-ribbon partnership (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2012/01/26/news.575162.sto)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 26, 2012, 10:13:17 AM
If I recall, the flooding in 2008 down in Martinsville did INDOT a few favors and some of the buildings that were next to SR 37 were already ready for demolition. It would be interesting to see how Martinsville does approach the construction of the interstate thru town since I feel it will have a different feel than the rest of the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on January 27, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on January 24, 2012, 12:02:21 PM
I-69: Are We There Yet? (http://gcdailyworld.com/story/1807665.html), an Indiana public television documentary, will air Thursday night (it will also be streamed live).  After the documentary is aired, some of the major players will answer questions from the viewing audience via phone, email, facebook and twitter.
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Scheduled guests include:
* Richard Martin, Bloomington Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization
* Ron Arnold, Daviess County Economic Development Corporation
* Thomas Tokarski, CARR co-founder.
In case you missed the live streaming last night and want some weekend viewing, the I-69: Are We There Yet? documentary may be seen here. (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/special-features/i-69-are-we-there-yet/)  The documentary itself is about one hour and Q & A with the panelists afterwards is about thirty minutes.  After seeing Martin in action, I can see why INDOT and FHWA skipped the last meeting.  X-(
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 27, 2012, 08:39:23 PM
The documentary, despite a slight bias toward Tom Tokarski (the main anti-I-69 activist), is informative and well done. The Q&A left a lot to be desired, IMO.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on January 28, 2012, 09:45:54 AM
I still say take all exits away from Bloomington. If they want to play tough then play tough with them. Take all exits away and put up sound barriers instead. Big 30 foot high concrete ugly sound barriers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on January 28, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
I watched part of the documentary last night, and what was new to me was the discussion about the substntial cost savings applied to the roadway.  I think a more technical term for it is Value Engineering (VE to us engineers).  It sounds like liberal amounts of VE were applied.  Actuallly when Federal money is involved, a VE study is mandatory for projects that are over 25 million in cost.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 28, 2012, 10:38:34 PM
INDOT talked about using the thinner staged pavement methods to save money as they said. I thought this option was only possible if the HMA option were chosen. I believe every winning bid has specified the PCCP option. Anyway, there is a link here (http://www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf) that discusses the staged pavement proposal from Asphalt Indiana.

Another thing I think I heard from CARR was lamenting how thousands of acres of prime farmland would be consumed by the new road. Later a CARR person said Indiana was cutting corners by reducing the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet (or something like that). That seems like quite a contradiction. CARR also said Indiana is the only I-69 state going with a new terrain route. Besides the fact the fairly long SR 37 portion is not new terrain, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana do have significant new terrain routes. I am not sure about Texas. Kentucky's routing is mostly on existing roadways except around Henderson.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 29, 2012, 08:17:28 AM
An IBJ article, Daniels criticized for lopping costs on I-69 extension (http://www.ibj.com/daniels-criticized-for-lopping-costs-on-i69-extension/PARAMS/article/21228), also suggests that the corner cutting discussed as fact by CARR and other I-69 opponents in the documentary was if the staged asphalt pavement methods were used on I-69. The INDOT Contract Letting Information (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2011/dec21/dec21.htm) shows what which pavement option was selected in the awards, and I think all mainline contracts have been for concrete pavement.

The obfuscation created by the opponents is remarkable. The cost cutting is one, but the routing is another. The motivation for the new road always was a high speed direct route from Evansville to Indy. CARR and other opponents successfully changed the media discussion to the routing of I-69 in Indiana. The documentary also discusses this topic which is often lost in the emotional discussions still coming out of Bloomington.

Another issue of interest is that the Bloomington Herald Times has an article today suggesting the February MPO meeting has been canceled - adding I-69 back to the TIP was the main issue in that meeting. You have to think that the threat of the loss of transportation funding for Bloomington simply does not bother them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on January 29, 2012, 08:54:41 AM
Hmmm. I get about 27 miles saved using the new I-69 (rough estimate of 91.5 miles from the SR 68 exit to SR 37 at Bloomington). Does this sound about right?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 29, 2012, 10:41:58 AM
Probably 22-28 miles less on the new terrain/SR 37 route over US 41/I-70. It is hard to be exact because the routing/distance of the Terre Haute bypass (more or less what turned out to be SR 641) is unknown and whether I-69 would have followed I-465 south leg, I-465 north leg, or I-70 through downtown is not known. In any event, the time savings from Evansville to Indy would be far greater than the 5-12 minute time savings the I-69 opposition uses.

I assume everyone agrees I-164 would be I-69 - so the south end for the comparison is the I-64/I-164 interchange and the north end is the existing I-465/I-69 interchange.

As far as costs go, the supposedly huge cost savings of the US 41/I-70 route don't take into account the widening of I-70 from Terre Haute to Indy which probably would (at least eventually) become necessary as I-69 should pick up some I-65 and I-57 traffic. Maybe even some I-55 traffic headed to Texas might use I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on January 29, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on January 17, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
For anyone interested in reading letters about I-69 exchanged between INDOT and the Bloomington MPO (and others) you can see them here (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-letters-mpo-indot-fhwa-released-25629/) (from Indiana Public Media).
The letters in the above link are an interesting read; they are contained in a separate thirteen-page reader.

First, the FHWA and INDOT have offered to to invite the Bloomington/Monroe County government(s) to be a "participating agency" in the environmental review of Section 5 of I-69 as that term is used in Section 6002 of SAFETEA-LU. (http://nepa.fhwa.dot.gov/ReNEPA/ReNepa.nsf/docs/F6611A6D30D1B96D85257227006429AB?opendocument&Group=NEPA%20Process%20and%20Documentation&tab=REFERENCE)  The MPO is withholding inclusion of Section 4 in its TIP as "leverage" to "negotiate" the terms of participation in the environmental review of Section 5.

Isn't participation a good thing? What's the problem? Isn't this what the MPO has wanted?  Perhaps the better question is whether the MPO truly has a good faith desire to cooperate in its participation, or if it simply wants to use participation as an inside mechanism to obstruct and delay.  I suspect it is the latter.

First, in terms of past efforts to participate, MPO Chairman Kent McDaniel readily admits that he has not attended any of INDOT's sponsored meetings on I-69 (page 4/13).  This strikes me as a curious lack of both interest and effort on his part regarding a project of such importance to the MPO.  Next, it is not clear whether Bloomington and Monroe County want to participate jointly, or whether each governmental unit should be a separate "participating agency" (page 8/13). Also, Richard Martin expresses a concern that "INDOT and contractor personnel are working at a pace that may be difficult for either City or County to maintain" (page 7/13) and expresses concern about the "timely review and comment" responsibility of a participating agency (page 6/13).  These comments do not seem to reflect a desire to work hard to reach a timely solution; they suggest a strategy of delay, delay, delay.

To be fair, I do think the ball is in INDOT's court to provide some information to the MPO as to what would be involved in being a "participating agency".  I suspect, and I think INDOT probably suspects likewise, that whatever would be presented to the MPO would be objected to as inadequate and a failure to "negotiate" (although, as I read Section 6002, I do not see a requirement for lead agencies to "negotiate" the terms of involvement for a "participating agency").

The Section 5 environmental review could be a nightmare.  :-(
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 29, 2012, 12:50:05 PM
Despite trying to make it seem like they are cooperating, the majority of the MPO is with CARR. They simply do not want I-69 in Bloomington.

Here are the Questions to INDOT from the MPO (http://bloomington.in.gov/media/media/application/pdf/10421.pdf). I think both FHWA and INDOT answered many questions where answers could be accessed as part of the public record or were none of the MPO's business.

In the documentary, Gov. Daniels made clear that connecting I-69 to SR 37 was the primary immediate goal. Once connected, INDOT can turn its attentions north of Bloomington. Bloomington can do without its transportation funding for a while and the people there can evaluate whether or not their leadership has done the right thing. If the city and IU lose funding for their heavily used bus system, I think there will be pain.

Maybe the fact that INDOT has options beyond Bloomington is why they are finding "scheduling conflicts" that keep them from attending MPO meetings. Or maybe, Bloomington is already last in line for any improvements in the corridor. The state already told Morgan County that improvements there will likely start in 2014.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 29, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
Latest comments from Bloomington Herald Times on MPO meeting cancellation:

Area briefs: Volunteers for trails needed; take a disability poll; MPO meeting canceled COMMENTS (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMi8wMS8yOS9uZXdzLnFwLTUyMzQxNzcuc3Rv)

First comment is excellent. Not everyone there is nuts.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on February 07, 2012, 11:13:56 AM
So it won't be too long before we see a complete and direct Interstate connection from Indianapolis to Memphis...assuming Tennessee is hard at work on its own section. The progress in Indiana is always a good thing to see.

BTW, what would the exits on the already-existing I-69 north of Indy be renumbered to?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on February 07, 2012, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 07, 2012, 11:13:56 AM
So it won't be too long before we see a complete and direct Interstate connection from Indianapolis to Memphis...assuming Tennessee is hard at work on its own section. The progress in Indiana is always a good thing to see.

BTW, what would the exits on the already-existing I-69 north of Indy be renumbered to?

Tennessee is sort of taking their time with their sections. Plus there is the Ohio River bridge south of Evansville that may take a while to build, especially since Kentucky will be in charge of a majority of its financing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 07, 2012, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 07, 2012, 11:13:56 AM
BTW, what would the exits on the already-existing I-69 north of Indy be renumbered to?

There was a document, I believe to FHWA about INDOT wanting to officially mark the proposed route of I-69 north toward Indianapolis. The document however mentioned that the current Exit 0 would be at the new milemarker 184. Wikipedia had on its list of exits along I-69 in Indiana a list of the current exits and of the proposed exit numbers, but that second part of the list has since disappeared. So, just add the current number to 184 and that should give the new exit number. I'm just wondering if they are going to have to put all new signs in or if they can just replace the exit tabs. There are still a few button copy signs in Madison and Delaware Counties and I'm now thinking that they are waiting to replace those when they get the go ahead to renumber the exits. Just my thought though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on February 07, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 07, 2012, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 07, 2012, 11:13:56 AM
BTW, what would the exits on the already-existing I-69 north of Indy be renumbered to?

There was a document, I believe to FHWA about INDOT wanting to officially mark the proposed route of I-69 north toward Indianapolis. The document however mentioned that the current Exit 0 would be at the new milemarker 184. Wikipedia had on its list of exits along I-69 in Indiana a list of the current exits and of the proposed exit numbers, but that second part of the list has since disappeared. So, just add the current number to 184 and that should give the new exit number. I'm just wondering if they are going to have to put all new signs in or if they can just replace the exit tabs. There are still a few button copy signs in Madison and Delaware Counties and I'm now thinking that they are waiting to replace those when they get the go ahead to renumber the exits. Just my thought though.
If there's a link to the aforementioned document, I would like to see it. Seeing that when finished, the extension will run 184 miles from the current southern end, I imagine that Indiana will follow the same signing convention that Virginia and Pennsylvania (and I'm sure Florida, Georgia and Maine did it too) used when those states switched from sequential to mileage-based: in addition to re-signing the current exits to reflect the new number, signs saying "Old Exit XXX" would be placed alongside the newly-adjusted signs indicating the old number. That way, motorists would be given time to get accustomed to the new exit numbers, and once they are fully accustomed to them, the "Old Exit XXX" signs will be removed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 08, 2012, 01:23:27 AM
This should be the link, it's from the references part of the Wikipedia page:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100418145841/i-69/images/c/c1/FHWA_Administrator_Letter_-_to_review_Indiana_I-69_requests.pdf

As for the request itself, I'm not sure whether or not it was granted.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on February 08, 2012, 01:53:59 AM
Also available here: http://cms.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/FHWA%20Administrator%20Letter%20-%20to%20review%20Indiana%20I-69%20requests.pdf
AASHTO ruled "Conditional as Future I-69 pending FHWA approval letter".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on February 09, 2012, 10:40:48 AM
Does anyone know if there is an updated projection for when sections 1-3 will be open from Evansville to Crane?  I've read that predictions call for the end of this year.  Does anyone know of anything more specific?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on February 09, 2012, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 08, 2012, 01:23:27 AM
This should be the link, it's from the references part of the Wikipedia page:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100418145841/i-69/images/c/c1/FHWA_Administrator_Letter_-_to_review_Indiana_I-69_requests.pdf

As for the request itself, I'm not sure whether or not it was granted.

Quote from: NE2 on February 08, 2012, 01:53:59 AM
Also available here: http://cms.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/FHWA%20Administrator%20Letter%20-%20to%20review%20Indiana%20I-69%20requests.pdf
AASHTO ruled "Conditional as Future I-69 pending FHWA approval letter".
This helps out a lot! I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on February 11, 2012, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: Grzrd on January 29, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
I do think the ball is in INDOT's court to provide some information to the MPO as to what would be involved in being a "participating agency".  I suspect, and I think INDOT probably suspects likewise, that whatever would be presented to the MPO would be objected to as inadequate

Yesterday, INDOT and FHWA officials met with the Bloomington/Monroe County MPO and offered Bloomington and Monroe County individual opportunities to serve as a "participating agency" during the Section 5 environmental review process (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-asks-counties-cities-give-input-i69-section-5-26718/). Bloomington City Councilman Andy Ruff claims participation would be "moot" at this point:

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Indiana Department of Transportation and Federal Highway Administration officals met with members of the Bloomington, Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization's I-69 subcommittee Friday, to formally invite the cities of Bloomington and Martinsville, the town of Elletsville, and the counties of Morgan and Monroe to weigh in on the Environmental Impact Statement for the section of I-69 that runs from Bloomington to Martinsville.
According to INDOT Deputy Commissioner of Major Programs Samuel Sarvis, this offer will give local governments a chance to contribute to the planning of the road.
"They get to bring their technical, and their regional expertise to the project,"  he says.
However, Bloomington City Councilman Andy Ruff says local input on section five is moot at this point.
"I just don't think section five provides the concerned public with anywhere near the critical opportunities for influencing the project."
According to Sarvis, the "˜Participating Agency' meetings will take place about once a month. The governmental bodies have until early March to either accept or decline the invitations.

Why participate when it is more fun to disrupt?   :jumping:    :crazy:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on February 12, 2012, 09:06:56 AM
They are going to disrupt themselves right out of MILLIONS in transportation funds. I would not feel a bit sorry for them and those that voted them in.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 15, 2012, 11:11:48 PM
One more note about the future exit numbers for the northern, current section of I-69. INDOT recently installed blue 2/10th mile markers along the interstate from I-465 north to Anderson (Exit 26.) This means a whole lot of signs that will have to be replaced in a few years.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on February 15, 2012, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 15, 2012, 11:11:48 PM
This means a whole lot of signs that will have to be relocated in a few years.  :banghead:
Fixed for you.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on February 26, 2012, 11:34:29 PM
Judging from seeing recent (the word "mile" included and direction spelled out) blue milemarkers in places like I-70 east of Indy being replaced with identical ones instead of being moved over (i.e., old ones on temporary jersey barrier in work zone, new identical ones already installed instead of moving "old" ones that were only a couple years old), I wouldn't doubt that INDOT wouldn't go to the trouble to remove the signs from original I-69 to move them down south. 

(Lest this seem like a slam at INDOT, I've seen ODOT do the same exact thing--replace recent blue milemarkers instead of simply move them from the construction jersey barrier to the new permanent median, even though they were moved from the original median to the temporary one).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 27, 2012, 12:12:22 AM
Now that I think of it, they could just take those milemarkers out and hold them in storage until I-69 is signed in Evansville and relocate them there, which it seems you were aluding too. Of course, that may be a while before they reroute it down there.

Title: INDOT Proposes Two I-69/ SR 37 Interchange Options
Post by: Grzrd on March 01, 2012, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: mukade on January 29, 2012, 12:50:05 PM
In the documentary, Gov. Daniels made clear that connecting I-69 to SR 37 was the primary immediate goal.

Indiana Public Media (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-officials-propose-i69sr-37-interchange-options-27386/) reports (with plan diagrams) that INDOT is proposing two I-69/ SR 37 interchange options:

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INDOT officials Wednesday have proposed two possibilities for how the interchange between Interstate 69 and State Road 37 might be constructed.
One plan would require drivers to reduce their speeds to 20 mph and would include a roundabout, while the other plan would allow cars to move faster upon entering and exiting I-69. The plan allowing for higher speeds would cost about $1 million more. According to INDOT Deputy Commissioner for Major Project Management Sam Sarvis, the agency will be asking for public input before a final decision on which plan to implement.
"There'll be a reevaluation process and public input this spring, and the decision will be made sometime after that, after we have got all that public input,"  Sarvis says.
Sarvis says the construction of the interchange could begin as early as January or February of next year, with completion anticipated by the end of 2014.

Bloomington/ Monroe County MPO will have a chance to provide their input ...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 01, 2012, 01:58:28 PM
A roundabout on a mainline interstate? That's what the story seems to imply but it's not the case at all when you look at the plans.

What's the big deal about not using the conventional trumpet interchange? So what if one of the ramps requires 25 mph traffic? Lots of trumpets and cloverleafs already have 25 mph ramps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 01, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
As one who has traveled this highway in the past, I would pick the trumpet interchange any day of the week. There is nothing wrong about the roundabout design, but I think those work best with a freeway to minor road interchange. SR 37 south of Bloomington will still be a well-traveled four-lane expressway and the only 25-MPH ramp will be from northbound SR 37 to SB (southwest bound really) I-69, a movement that won't be taken too much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 09, 2012, 07:39:54 PM
Bloomington MPO approves I-69 Section 4!

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/09/bloomington-panel-vote-i-69-section/ (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/09/bloomington-panel-vote-i-69-section/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 09, 2012, 07:39:54 PM
Bloomington MPO approves I-69 Section 4!

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/09/bloomington-panel-vote-i-69-section/ (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/09/bloomington-panel-vote-i-69-section/)

Time for Celebration!;)  Sorry I couldn't resist to post that clip. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on March 10, 2012, 09:28:53 AM
"When are we going to learn that creating jobs by destroying the earth is a fool's strategy?"  he said. "If you say "˜No, not on my watch,' then you will have done the right thing — something you can be proud of."

The real Tom Tokarskit comes out as a bitter, hateful little man.

Is it possible to build sound directors aimed right at his house?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: InterstateNG on March 10, 2012, 10:39:35 AM
Oh, the irony.
Title: Probable Bloomington MPO Vote Challenge on Monday
Post by: Grzrd on March 10, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
Just like a Halloween or Friday the 13th movie, don't ever make the mistake of thinking that the MPO has been neutralized and won't return ...

According to this article (http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=86074), Monroe County Commissioner Mark Stoops plans to challenge the vote of Bill Williams, Monroe County Highway Department director:

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By a narrow 7-6 vote, the policy committee of the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization agreed to include construction of Interstate 69 to Indiana 37 in their Transportation Improvement Program ....
But if one member of the MPO Citizens Advisory Committee succeeds, this decision could be reversed ....
During Friday's MPO meeting, several community members approached the board with concerns of conflict of interest. Bill Williams, Monroe County Highway Department director, was their concern.
Williams' son works as a subcontractor for INDOT, specifically working on construction of I-69. During the meeting, chairperson Kent McDaniel, representing the Bloomington Public Transit Corp., said no conflict of interest existed because Williams does not benefit directly from his son's employment.
Ultimately, Williams voted "˜yes' to include I-69 in the TIP.
Monroe County Commissioner Mark Stoops disagrees.
"I will be contesting the vote,"  Stoops said. "The MPO violated the requirements of the Indiana Code when they're confronted with a conflict of interest."
According to sate law, when the MPO was notified of a conflict of interest they were required to receive an opinion from an outside source not on the committee. They would then have been required to submit a written review of the conflict of interest and decide whether or not the perceived conflict of interest existed.
This was not the only procedural flaw, Stoops said. When the Monroe County Commissioners appointed Williams to the MPO, Stoops said they should have been notified of the conflict of interest before appointing Williams to the MPO.
"Indiana Code specifically states that if an immediate family member has a financial interest, that represents a conflict,"  Stoops said. "The vote by Bill Williams, it was a "˜yes' vote, will be void and not valid. So that means, technically, I-69 is not included in our TIP because the vote to include it in our TIP failed."
Stoops plans to challenge Williams' vote Monday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on March 10, 2012, 10:53:26 PM
Lack of leadship/political initiative to roll back a defective transportation bill?  Seems like it was one in the early 1990's that gave the MPO's more power.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on March 10, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?
Reminds me of the Republican lawmakers in (some state - possibly Washington?) who voted in favor of gay marriage only because his/her daughter was a lesbian and the parent wanted the daughter to be as happy as the parent was in life. When something touches you personally, you tend to end up on the more logical side of the argument because you have personally seen the effects of the law or policy in its current form.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bugo on March 10, 2012, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?

The same way a bunch of Republican male yahoos are trying to outlaw birth control and abortions and condoms.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mightyace on March 11, 2012, 01:32:36 AM
Gee does everything here have to be turned into an off-topic political discussion?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Steve on March 10, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Reminds me of the Republican lawmakers in (some state - possibly Washington?) who voted in favor of gay marriage only because his/her daughter was a lesbian and the parent wanted the daughter to be as happy as the parent was in life. When something touches you personally, you tend to end up on the more logical side of the argument because you have personally seen the effects of the law or policy in its current form.

Are you saying the anti-69 people are right? It's logical for them to want all the traffic zipping northeast from Evansville to be dumped onto IN 37 for the rest of the trip to Indy?

I-69 is going to be built. Bloomington doesn't need to be a pimple on the ass of progress.

Quote from: bugo on March 10, 2012, 11:31:13 PM
The same way a bunch of Republican male yahoos are trying to outlaw birth control ... and condoms.

Except they aren't.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on March 11, 2012, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 10, 2012, 10:53:26 PM
Lack of leadship/political initiative to roll back a defective transportation bill?  Seems like it was one in the early 1990's that gave the MPO's more power.

Both House and Senate versions of reauthorization bill are addressing the issue of proper balance among local MPO, state, and federal authority.  IIRC the Bloomington/ Monroe County MPO serves a population of approximately 92,000. This Feb. 3, 2012 article (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/03/no-headline---ev_i-69/) indicates that the Senate version of the bill seeks to abolish MPOs that serve populations of less than 250,000, whereas the House version would keep the MPOs but permit the governor to override any MPO recalcitrance regarding vital interstate projects:

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A House committee has approved a federal highway spending bill that could settle a dispute jeopardizing construction of a final segment of Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis.
In a 29-24 vote after a marathon mark-up session that finally concluded at 3 a.m. Friday, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee approved a $260 billion, five-year surface transportation package.
The bill includes a provision inserted at the behest of Indiana's 8th District Rep. Larry Bucshon, of Newburgh, that essentially prohibits a Metropolitan Planning Organization from standing in the way of an interstate project of statewide significance ....
The Bucshon provision permits the governor to override any MPO recalcitrance regarding vital interstate projects. Gov. Mitch Daniels is a proponent of the I-69 project.
Competing legislation in the Senate abolishes MPOs that serve a population of less than 250,000, thus eliminating more than 75 percent of Indiana's MPOs. Bucshon, though, recommends keeping the panels because they frequently provide significant input ....

Of course, who knows if a reauthorization bill will pass anytime in the near future?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on March 11, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Steve on March 10, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Reminds me of the Republican lawmakers in (some state - possibly Washington?) who voted in favor of gay marriage only because his/her daughter was a lesbian and the parent wanted the daughter to be as happy as the parent was in life. When something touches you personally, you tend to end up on the more logical side of the argument because you have personally seen the effects of the law or policy in its current form.

Are you saying the anti-69 people are right? It's logical for them to want all the traffic zipping northeast from Evansville to be dumped onto IN 37 for the rest of the trip to Indy?

I-69 is going to be built. Bloomington doesn't need to be a pimple on the ass of progress.

Quite the opposite. I'm saying that once people are touched by the current conditions (accident on the current roads), they'll realize the importance of the improvements.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 11, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Steve on March 10, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Reminds me of the Republican lawmakers in (some state - possibly Washington?) who voted in favor of gay marriage only because his/her daughter was a lesbian and the parent wanted the daughter to be as happy as the parent was in life. When something touches you personally, you tend to end up on the more logical side of the argument because you have personally seen the effects of the law or policy in its current form.

Are you saying the anti-69 people are right? It's logical for them to want all the traffic zipping northeast from Evansville to be dumped onto IN 37 for the rest of the trip to Indy?

I-69 is going to be built. Bloomington doesn't need to be a pimple on the ass of progress.

Quite the opposite. I'm saying that once people are touched by the current conditions (accident on the current roads), they'll realize the importance of the improvements.

OK, for a minute there I thought you were referring to something touching you personally as meaning I-69 running through your back yard, which would give literal meaning to the term NIMBY.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on March 11, 2012, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 11, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Steve on March 10, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Reminds me of the Republican lawmakers in (some state - possibly Washington?) who voted in favor of gay marriage only because his/her daughter was a lesbian and the parent wanted the daughter to be as happy as the parent was in life. When something touches you personally, you tend to end up on the more logical side of the argument because you have personally seen the effects of the law or policy in its current form.

Are you saying the anti-69 people are right? It's logical for them to want all the traffic zipping northeast from Evansville to be dumped onto IN 37 for the rest of the trip to Indy?

I-69 is going to be built. Bloomington doesn't need to be a pimple on the ass of progress.

Quite the opposite. I'm saying that once people are touched by the current conditions (accident on the current roads), they'll realize the importance of the improvements.

OK, for a minute there I thought you were referring to something touching you personally as meaning I-69 running through your back yard, which would give literal meaning to the term NIMBY.  :bigass:
I'd love a freeway running through my backyard. With one stipulation: I get my own personal exit signed entirely in button copy, embossed, and/or pre-FHWA fonts.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
And a cutout US 46 shield?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on March 11, 2012, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
And a cutout US 46 shield?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnj%2Fus_46%2Fwbroad.jpg&hash=ea7694278cca0c11db55a620ddb9141de9f21b6b)
You know, I really ought to get a better version, though I think it's just in my queue.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 11, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnj%2Fus_9w%2Ffletchl.jpg&hash=a8780aacb9d0d5b5d640c9894a668236e5a431ca)
Not the best-looking shield, but it's a legit (bordered) cutout.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DeaconG on March 11, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?

Unfortunately, yes; and considering how hard headed these folk are, it will probably be several of their children before they change their minds and scream for something to be done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 11, 2012, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?

So individual property rights should be discarded for the wants of a federal gov't that capriciously decided where a road should go, in spite of the wants of the local population?
Whatever happened to "states rights?" ;-)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 12, 2012, 11:00:51 PM
Federal government? The state of Indiana is building I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on March 13, 2012, 12:02:40 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 11, 2012, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?

So individual property rights should be discarded for the wants of a federal gov't that capriciously decided where a road should go, in spite of the wants of the local population?
Whatever happened to "states rights?" ;-)
Quote from: hbelkins on March 12, 2012, 11:00:51 PM
Federal government? The state of Indiana is building I-69.
Additionally, there's no caprice behind the decision. Public input is carefully considered for ALL stakeholders. The idea is that one small group of road terrorists doesn't get to dictate to the majority what's best when it clearly isn't best.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on March 13, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 11, 2012, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
How in the world does our system allow a group of NIMBY yahoos to stand in the way of a major cross-state (and in this case, transcontinental) highway? This should be a decision made by state and federal officials. Yes, local residents should be able to express their opinions, but this MPO that surely (surely? surely!) does not represent the majority opinion in the area?

Is it going to take having a child of one of these NIMBYs being killed by being T-boned at a traffic light on IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy for them to change their minds?

So individual property rights should be discarded for the wants of a federal gov't that capriciously decided where a road should go, in spite of the wants of the local population?
Whatever happened to "states rights?" ;-)

Would the "individual property rights" of people alongside US 41 been equally "violated" if Tom Tolarksi had had his way and I-69 been rerouted along that highway and I-70??  What about the "individual property rights" of those who WANTED the new-terrain I-69??

I''m as far to the Left politically as a roadgeek can be, and I favored the new terrain route as the best and most convenient connection between Evansville and Indy. The NIMBYs there are simply so full of it, and they are acting like spoiled brats who can't accept defeat and would rather simply either run out the clock or trash everything in their "If I can't have you, nobody will" rage.


Anthony

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 13, 2012, 03:19:51 AM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on March 13, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
I''m as far to the Left politically as a roadgeek can be
You say this like someone has to like something to be interested in it. Are historians who study the Third Reich all Nazis?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 13, 2012, 07:49:44 AM
And now, for something more relavent, as it turns out, we are not completely done with Bloomington. New today:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30665709/detail.html (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30665709/detail.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 13, 2012, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 12, 2012, 11:00:51 PM
Federal government? The state of Indiana is building I-69.
So Indiana is building I-69 in Mississippi then?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 13, 2012, 09:40:58 PM
Well, no. But you know what I mean.

Actually, isn't most of I-69 construction in Indiana being funded by the leasing of the toll road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 13, 2012, 10:21:40 PM
The first three sections definently are financed by the toll road, I think the fourth might be coming from traditional funding, but it may be from the toll road as well. The last two sections will be funded traditionally.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on March 13, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 13, 2012, 03:19:51 AM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on March 13, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
I''m as far to the Left politically as a roadgeek can be
You say this like someone has to like something to be interested in it. Are historians who study the Third Reich all Nazis?

No, not really...just saying that not all self-ID'd Leftists are anti-highway whackjobs who want to tear down every freeway ever built and replace them with commuter rail.


Anthony
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 14, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on March 13, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
No, not really...just saying that not all self-ID'd Leftists are anti-highway whackjobs who want to tear down every freeway ever built and replace them with commuter rail.
But even if someone did want to do that (which is an obvious strawman in the first place), that wouldn't mean they couldn't be a roadgeek.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on March 21, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
I've been away for a few weeks so am not sure if this was mentioned in this thread, but I noticed that the 12/12/12 INDOT scheduled construction letting has the SR 37 interchange. I thought I-69 was going to temporarily end at a stoplight at SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 21, 2012, 11:54:54 PM
They were, but INDOT has decided to build an interchange after all. There's a link to an article on the sixth page of this thread, prior to the political bickering that mentions that Bloomington is being given two options for an interchange. To my knowledge, one hasn't been picked yet, but regardless an interchange will be built there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on March 22, 2012, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: mukade on March 21, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
I've been away for a few weeks so am not sure if this was mentioned in this thread, but I noticed that the 12/12/12 INDOT scheduled construction letting has the SR 37 interchange. I thought I-69 was going to temporarily end at a stoplight at SR 37.

Stop and go lights at the ends of the interchange ramps?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on March 22, 2012, 07:07:07 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 21, 2012, 11:54:54 PM
They were, but INDOT has decided to build an interchange after all. There's a link to an article on the sixth page of this thread, prior to the political bickering that mentions that Bloomington is being given two options for an interchange. To my knowledge, one hasn't been picked yet, but regardless an interchange will be built there.
I guess an option was chosen if they have this specificity:
- "New bridge SR 37 NE loop over I 69"
- "New bridge SR 37 NE loop over SR 37 NB and SB"
- "New bridge SR 37 SB exit over I-69"

At one point, there were four possible design options for the interchange.

It would be nice if they extended the freeway up through Bloomington which would be relatively cheap - probably one more interchange and 3-5 more overpasses. North of Bloomington, it will get ugly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on March 23, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on March 10, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
"I will be contesting the vote,"  Stoops said. "The MPO violated the requirements of the Indiana Code when they're confronted with a conflict of interest."

Upon further review (http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=86229) ... after Stoops actually had someone review the Indiana Code, he had to agree that no violation of a state statute occurred; nevertheless, he will not drop the vote challenge until an "unidentified attorney" reviews federal law:

Quote
Following a narrow vote to include Interstate 69 in the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization's Transportation Improvement Program, one member of the MPO cited a conflict of interest, nullifying the vote.
But the cited conflict of interest does not meet several requirements under Indiana's conflict of interest statute.
Still aiming to reverse the MPO's decision, Monroe County Commissioner Mark Stoops, who challenged the decision because of the potential conflict of interest, is continuing his challenge under federal conflict of interest laws.
"The MPO is set up under federal legislation, and that is what we are researching right now to see if there are additional or different constraints on a conflict of interest process,"  Stoops said. "I haven't dropped my contesting the vote, and I won't until I get an opinion on federal law that applies to the MPO."
Stoops said he is currently working with an unidentified lawyer who, he said, is educated on federal procedure ....

Even someone else who voted against I-69, Bloomington Mayor Mark Kruzan, appears irritated that Stoops has publicly challenged the vote before taking a hard look at the law:

Quote
"The most important part of all of this stuff is to research the law before bringing up a complaint,"  Mayor Mark Kruzan said. "The state statute he cited does not apply, and my preference is to find that out before we bring it up."

Kudos to Kruzan for applying common sense on this point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on March 25, 2012, 10:46:35 AM
Word vomit: an uncontrolled spilling of words out of one's mouth

The opponents really don't seem to care about facts. They say whatever is convenient to support their cause - they are zealots. Often the media simply reports what they say without proper analysis. One example is here: Indy Star article: I-69 project: Can state finish what it started? (http://www.indystar.com/article/20090817/LOCAL/908170339/I-69-project-Can-state-finish-what-started-).

The particular quote before contracts were awarded was: "That $700 million: There's no way that gets them to Crane. No way," said Thomas Tokarski, president of Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads, a leading I-69 opposition group. "They're going to run out of money."

In reality, the contracts awarded that are getting I-69 from I-64 to Crane were substantially less than $700M, but you still hear people talk about overruns because that is what was reported in the media.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on March 27, 2012, 08:47:25 PM
Two new I-69 articles from the Evansville Courier & Press - More I-69 craziness in Bloomington:

Question over conflict of interest in I-69 vote lingers (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/27/no-headline---ev_169/)

Interstate 69 extension route runs near 1830s foundry site (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/mar/26/interstate-69-extension-route-runs-near-1830s-foun/)

I guess you have to give some people in Bloomington an "A" for persistence.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 02, 2012, 09:09:34 PM
More articles from the Evansville Courier Press. I definitely agree with the firefighters' point, but am not grasping the bat issue. Will I-69 be built or could it become like US 31 near Benton Harbor, Michigan where there will be a permanent gap?

Indiana bat halts land clearing for I-69 until October (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/01/indiana-bat-halts-i-69-work-until-october/?partner=popular)

Firefighters want emergency gates added to I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/02/firefighters-want-emergency-gates-added-i-69/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 02, 2012, 10:07:26 PM
I'm under the impression that the bat issue isn't going to harm the overall timeline and that Section 4 will still be done in 2014. Parts of that section can still be worked upon this summer, just not the parts with those trees for the bats.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 19, 2012, 10:42:59 AM
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120418/NEWS02/120419004/Ground-broken-69-extension

QuoteSome Southern Indiana officials celebrated the start of construction work on a hotly-contested section of the Interstate 69 extension project.

Several government and business leaders participated in a groundbreaking ceremony Tuesday for the 27-mile stretch of I-69 from near the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to Indiana 37 south of Bloomington.

Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce president Christy Gillenwater said she believes the highway will help add jobs to the area and can't wait for it to reach Bloomington.

Construction is under way on the highway from Evansville to near Crane, but environmentalists have continued fighting the route picked near Bloomington.

Opponent Thomas Tokarski says protesters missed the groundbreaking ceremony because highway officials kept it quiet to give a false impression about public support.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 19, 2012, 11:18:07 AM
Had a chance to fly over Southwest Indiana last week and saw the construction of the interstate from the air, particularly Sections 1 and 2 from Petersburg southward. I was able to see that construction had already started at the intersection of SR 45 and SR 445 in eastern Greene County for the new alignment that will connect to a spur onto the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 19, 2012, 11:02:19 PM
And the highway continues to creep further north towards Indy. Always good to see progress, despite the ongoing opposition in the middle. Perhaps in 25 years or less, the Memphis-to-Indianapolis corridor will be done...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 19, 2012, 11:15:25 PM
INDOT's announcement on the new I-69 construction is at :
  Construction Activities Underway in Section 4 of I-69 Project (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=55289&information_id=110972&type=&syndicate=syndicate)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 22, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
No Tom T. at the ceremony. Guess he must have gotten stopped in traffic on one of his precious local roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 22, 2012, 05:48:14 PM
Could be. I'm sure Mitch and Tom are pretty close so Mitch was probably pretty disappointed that Tom couldn't celebrate with the INDOT boys and girls. Perhaps next time.

Moving up toward Martinsville. Between Bloomington and Martinsville, many intersecting roads on SR 37 are narrow, winding, and disjointed. Some businesses are right on SR 37 even if the access is not directly from the highway. Which roads get overpasses, interchanges, or cul-de-sacs will be interesting. Also, some of the pavement on this stretch of SR 37 is in rough shape so I would guess the state would need to replace at least some of it.

In Martinsville itself, the way I-69 will be built through there is a bit more up in the air as development has encroached onto the highway and there are no interchanges other than the one at SR 39. I think officially, the state still plans to begin build I-69 through Martinsville in 2015. That depends on funding and if the new governor puts the same priority on highways as Mitch Daniels has.

A short article in the Evansville Courier and Press discusses the current status going north.
State presenting Interstate 69 extension proposals (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/16/state-presenting-interstate-69-extension-proposals/).

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 22, 2012, 06:56:58 PM
I'm curious if a frontage road system would work for Martinsville. Leaving the SR 39 interchange alone, have two frontage roads line an urban-looking I-69 along the current SR 37 from before Burton Lane north to past SR 44 with slip ramps connecting the interstate to the frontage roads at key spots (Burton Ln, Ohio Street, Wal-Mart, SR 252 and SR 44.) The system may still take out some commercial development, but it may be better than bigger interchanges at only a couple or so of streets and having to build a system of roads (which may include frontage roads anyway) to connect the streets that are passed over to those at the interchanges. Just my two cents from someone who's done the Bloomington to Indy drive many times with only a couple of them involving sucessful trips through Martinsville without stopping once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on April 23, 2012, 06:19:09 PM
INDOT has posted the April 2012 version of the Section 5 Revised Preliminary Alternatives Analysis and Screening (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/SOA_4-5-12.pdf) from Bloomington to Martinsville.  Four alternatives are analyzed and screened, with comparative maps of Alternatives 4 & 5, and of Alternatives 6 & 7, found on pages 97-108/108 of the pdf.  INDOT has also posted the April 2012 Section 5 Draft Purpose & Need (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Sec5_Purpose_And_Need_Statement_4-2-12.pdf). A public meeting to review these materials (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Public-to-Get-First-Look-At-Prelim-Road-Drawings.pdf) is being held tomorrow.

Quote from: ShawnP on April 22, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
No Tom T. at the ceremony. Guess he must have gotten stopped in traffic on one of his precious local roads.

The press release does not mention if any special personal invitations were extended.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on April 24, 2012, 12:14:47 PM
I drive from Evansville-Jasper-Bloomington-Indy every night. There has been a lot of activity of tree clearing and excavating from 231 to 45 and east to 54. It looks like the 445-45 intersection is getting a major overhaul. I think I heard 445 will connect to 69. Is this true? Once 69 is completed to Crane, I think there will be much more traffic going up 231 north or 45/58 north/east. These roads are curvy and can be tough to navigate at night with rain and especially snow. I hope everyone drives safely with the added congestion. I can't wait until 2014 for the completion to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 24, 2012, 12:59:16 PM
I suspect the SR 45 route from the Crane area will be prefered since it bypasses Bloomfield, though for those who may be heading north toward Indy, US 231 could get busier up toward I-70. As I mentioned previously, I recently flew over where 445 will connect with 69. I'm not sure if the exit is going to be labeled SR 445, or TO SR 45/54. The documents on the project have this exit labeled as "Greene-Monroe County Line."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 24, 2012, 06:05:43 PM
According to what I have read, the road connecting I-69 to SR 45 is called the "SR 45/I-69 Interchange Connector", oddly enough. I think calling it SR 445 might make more sense.

Before the Bloomington MPO fiasco was resolved, I wonder if INDOT had a contingency plan for I-69 to temporarily end at the connector before it made it all the way to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on April 25, 2012, 03:35:42 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 24, 2012, 12:59:16 PM
I suspect the SR 45 route from the Crane area will be prefered since it bypasses Bloomfield, though for those who may be heading north toward Indy, US 231 could get busier up toward I-70. As I mentioned previously, I recently flew over where 445 will connect with 69. I'm not sure if the exit is going to be labeled SR 445, or TO SR 45/54. The documents on the project have this exit labeled as "Greene-Monroe County Line."
This is what I'm afraid of, having more congestion driving north on 45 past Crane, up and down hills and curves. There will be even more truck traffic. I know this will be only for 2 years, but I travel north every evening and I am not excited about the extra traffic. I wonder what closures and rerouting around the 45-445 intersection will look like. Is there any maps showing where 445 will connect 69?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 25, 2012, 08:05:27 AM
The route that would experience the least congestion would be the one following SR 58 from US 231 to SR 37, but it isn't the most direct. The worst route would be US 231 to SR 54 to SR 445 to SR 45 to SR 37 bcause you would hit at least two areas likely to experience backups. I have no idea what the posted detour might be - I also suspect it might be SR 45 from Crane to Bloomington.

As for maps, go to the INDOT web site and search. There is at least one map on there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 25, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
One additional thing to note, I saw that INDOT is planning on improving some of the intersections along SR 45 through southwestern Monroe County this year. I don't think that's a coincidence, INDOT may be grooming SR 45 to be that detour.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on April 25, 2012, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 25, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
One additional thing to note, I saw that INDOT is planning on improving some of the intersections along SR 45 through southwestern Monroe County this year. I don't think that's a coincidence, INDOT may be grooming SR 45 to be that detour.
I also saw the orange stakes along 45. Looks like they are expecting more traffic and will be widening the road somewhat.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 26, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
Below is a link to a pretty good article published a couple of days ago in the Evansville Courier & Press. Clearly, the majority folks in Bloomington aren't as on the fringe as the press stories over the years have suggested. Even with this latest meeting in Bloomington which the following article describes, one Indianapolis broadcast station still dedicates half its story to an interview with Tom Tokarski (noted anti-I-69 activist) - still making it look like the majority of people oppose the highway. The Evansville newspaper article noted that hundreds attended the meeting sponsored by INDOT and there were 15 protesters.

Bloomington residents get first look at proposed routes for I-69 segment (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/24/no-headline---ev_interstate69/) (Evansville Courier & Press)

Compare and contrast ("a few Hoosiers were in favor of the expansion"):
Bloomington Residents Hope To Stall I-69 Construction (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30951135/detail.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 26, 2012, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 25, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
One additional thing to note, I saw that INDOT is planning on improving some of the intersections along SR 45 through southwestern Monroe County this year. I don't think that's a coincidence, INDOT may be grooming SR 45 to be that detour.

Actually, if you look at the plans online, there will be a sign at US 231 showing the following:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FFollow_231.gif&hash=6b2af1dd54858c92bf58c923384259a2f32314c2)

So I assume US 231 will be the "official" detour.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 27, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
Where are these plans you speak of, I'm not doubting you, it's just I haven't seen any sign diagrams for I-69 before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 27, 2012, 12:32:54 AM
It takes a lot of work. First, find the contract number.

Then go here (https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/). In the dropdown labeled "Choose A Document Type" select "Plan/Drawing Sets" and enter just the 5 digit number in the contract number text box.

In the results page, select the "Traffic" document(s) if they exist.

Caution: some contracts don't seem to have traffic documents.

So how do you find a contract number in the first place? Go here (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/index.html) and try to figure out when the contract you are interested in was let. I think that particular section of I-69 was let in October, 2010 (or thereabouts). In the page that is displayed, click on the "Official Bid Results" hyperlink and get the contract number from that page.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 27, 2012, 01:02:12 AM
Thanks, I've already found one for the SR 64 exit (33 I think?) and I will look for more. Off the top of what I saw, I was surprised to not see Oakland City as a control at that exit (Princeton and Huntingburg were listed.) I've had a thing for controls on signage and seeing this may satisfy me for now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 27, 2012, 01:13:58 AM
SR 168, SR 64, SR 56/61, SR 58, and US 231 ones are out there. I could not find US 50. Indianapolis and Evansville are the I-69 control cities, BTW (no real surprise that Bloomington is not).

All Kokomo US 31 freeway signs are in a single document - complete with two SR 931 exits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 27, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
Did a little more exploring, and I must do more later on. I found US 50, it's control cities are Washington and Vincennes, but interestingly no Loogootee. Loogootee is mentioned on the off-ramp however alongside Washington and Vincennes. Moving further north, I saw Exit 98 for SR 45, which was signed for just the highway, no controls. I was looking for the SR 37 exit but that contract may not be out yet.

I also noticed the US 31 signs and I saw that they are using exit tabs for the signs along the new US 31 in Kokomo, but not on the signs for US 31 in Hamilton County. I have no idea on the Plymouth to Fort Wayne segment. And if the Kokomo signs are to correct, that will be the second non-interstate stretch to have exit numbers. Thanks again for the link, I was looking earlier through INDOT's site and it would have been a while before I would have stumbled on that page.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 27, 2012, 07:48:29 AM
I found those pages quite a while ago - maybe over a year ago by just using Google or Bing. I actually found some mistakes in signs on US 31 Kokomo and notified INDOT back then. They had an incorrect road on a mileage sign on US 31, had a wrong street name on an interchange, and back then it only showed small green signs saying "SOUTH BEND" and "INDIANAPOLIS" (i.e. in caps) for SR 22 at the freeway. No highway markers were on the drawings for these signs. The current document for US 31 Kokomo looks real good from what I can see so maybe the ones that were originally posted were preliminary. Most contracts did not have a traffic document published when I looked last year.

As for exit tabs, I also noticed what you said. Even a year ago, tabs were shown on the signage around Kokomo. What is surprising is that Hamilton County section of US 31 doesn't have them. The actual SR 38 BGS that was erected confirms the diagrams on the INDOT site.

I have not seen any signage diagrams for US 31 South Bend. SR 25 signage plan for Delphi is out there (the control City is "Delphi", not "Delphi" and "Rossville").
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on April 29, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
According to a map atlas at a local Walgreen's Drug Store, it shows a sizeable chunk of I-69 completed north of I-64.  It also shows the rest of the route under construction to Indianapolis.

I do not know how much of this is correct as this is a non Rand McNally road map.  Plus, it only shows the US 31 freeway under construction between Plymouth and South Bend and not at all showing the US 31 Kokomo Bypass.  Both freeways are well into being built and that means that there could be a wide margin of error for this map printer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 29, 2012, 04:23:26 PM
Kappa Map, perhaps? That one shows:
- I-69 open to US 231 from the south (it is only open from I-64 to SR 68)
- I-69 under construction from US 231 to Indianapolis (you could say it is mostly UC from US 231 to an extension of SR 445)
- US 31 UC south from South Bend to US 6 (fairly accurate, but now UC further south)
- US 31 Kokomo construction not shown
- US 24 as under construction in Indiana and Ohio even though part of it opened in 2009 - this is not shown as freeway even though part of it really is
- SR 641 as UC even though part of it opened in 2010
It does not show:
- SR 25 construction even though it is under construction from Lafayette to Logansport with part of the new roadway open
- I-74 & Ronald Reagan Pkwy interchange or I-65 & 109th Avenue or even I-65 & SR 14 which opened years ago
- Doesn't show divided portions of US 27, SR 28, or SR 331 that were completed years ago

If it is that atlas, you said it right. It is not a very accurate map.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Morriswa on April 29, 2012, 05:25:01 PM
I am eagerly awaiting I-69's completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on April 29, 2012, 08:26:23 PM
I think it might be a Kappa map.  I will go to Walgreen's on way home from work tomorrow and see.  Alex thinks it is as it took I-49 around Texarkana out of the AR state DOT official map, where it was shown only proposed as this map showing UC>
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on April 29, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 29, 2012, 08:26:23 PM
I think it might be a Krappa map.  I will go to Walgreen's on way home from work tomorrow and see.  Alex thinks it is as it took I-49 around Texarkana out of the AR state DOT official map, where it was shown only proposed as this map showing UC>

If it was, it indeed is just a straight copy from the Indiana official state map. That was part of their MO, write for official state maps, graft what is new and show proposed lines as under construction without question.

Them showing I-69 as complete is just an error. When you look at the atlas again, look on the Texas page and see if there is a toll road u/c heading south from Ft. Worth. That is the line for SH 121 Toll (Chisholm Trail). I added that to the research I did on that atlas in 2008, even though it was just proposed at the time.  :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FLRoads on April 29, 2012, 09:32:45 PM
Another item you might want to check to see if this is indeed a Krappa map is the proposed I-66 in Kentucky from Interstate 24 south of Paducah to I-57 in Missouri. I know it was shown as proposed in prior KY state maps. I know that this proposal showed up on their 2009 professional drivers atlas and other products. I figured I would add this in even though it is not directly related to the I-69 extension but would give you further proof that it was indeed a Krappa product.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 29, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
If it was, it indeed is just a straight copy from the Indiana official state map. That was part of their MO, write for official state maps, graft what is new and show proposed lines as under construction without question.

At the moment, the official INDOT map is IMO the most updated. I've seen the Kappa atlas and there are plenty of inaccuracies compared to the INDOT map, as listed above. I would prefer Rand McNally, AAA, and Michelen over Kappa.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Morriswa on April 30, 2012, 04:28:46 PM
Doesn't Michelin use AAA's ugly cartography?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 30, 2012, 08:30:40 PM
I don't think so. I do believe though that AAA and Rand McNally get their stuff from the same source, only it looks different. The same stretches of road that are divided on Rand McNally's Indianapolis map is divided on AAA's. In any case, each type of map has their own style cartographically as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Morriswa on May 01, 2012, 09:21:49 AM
Yeah, and AAA's looks crappy to me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 03, 2012, 10:08:17 PM
Apparently, the final I-69-SR 37 Bloomington interchange design has not been finalized. Democracy in action, I guess...

"˜Trumpet' Or "˜Diamond'? INDOT Wants Your Opinion (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/trumpet-diamond-indot-opinion-29873/) (Indiana Public Media)
Section 4 Reevaluation Document (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ReevaluationReleaseForPI+Appendices.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sr641 on May 06, 2012, 08:11:52 AM
theyre building a spencer bypass in a few years for us 231. maybe i69 traffic can go on that ontheyre way to i70. lol.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: english si on May 07, 2012, 07:35:10 AM
Quote from: Morriswa on April 30, 2012, 04:28:46 PMDoesn't Michelin use AAA's ugly cartography?
I'll scan a sample of my atlas when I have time. It's certainly not standard Michelin cartography (though they've stopped using it for the British isles now, using the AA's, which is a great shame), but I don't know what it is.

I find the back blurb about the "unique flip-of-the-page' navigation funny - it's far from unique, though it is the main reason I bought the atlas - a usable North America atlas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 04:32:04 PM
I-67 is going to be joining I69 at Washington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: english si on May 10, 2012, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: english si on May 07, 2012, 07:35:10 AMI'll scan a sample of my atlas when I have time. It's certainly not standard Michelin cartography (though they've stopped using it for the British isles now, using the AA's, which is a great shame), but I don't know what it is.
Not the best location to show all the features, and a mapping error to boot, but
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg96.imageshack.us%2Fimg96%2F9296%2Ffuti69.jpg&hash=80712690a0d27c648b2522dcede369d84c806a39)
I chose this area as it links in with other recent discussion on the Ohio Valley board about Interstates to Owensboro.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on May 10, 2012, 06:26:34 PM
That's the MapQuest/National Geographic style.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: english si on May 10, 2012, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: english si on May 07, 2012, 07:35:10 AMI'll scan a sample of my atlas when I have time. It's certainly not standard Michelin cartography (though they've stopped using it for the British isles now, using the AA's, which is a great shame), but I don't know what it is.
Not the best location to show all the features, and a mapping error to boot, but
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg96.imageshack.us%2Fimg96%2F9296%2Ffuti69.jpg&hash=80712690a0d27c648b2522dcede369d84c806a39)
I chose this area as it links in with other recent discussion on the Ohio Valley board about Interstates to Owensboro.

The Audabon Parkway is future Interstate 369.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on May 10, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 07:28:09 PM
The Audabon Parkway is future Interstate 369.

What's the speed limit? 88?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 10, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 07:28:09 PM
The Audabon Parkway is future Interstate 369.

What's the speed limit? 88?

I believe it is 65 m.p.h.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on May 10, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 07:28:09 PM
The Audabon Parkway is future Interstate 369.

A number hasn't been picked for it yet. The signage along it indicates it as Future I-69 Spur. Where are you coming up with all this crap you are posting? Are you making it up, hallucinating it or just trying to troll us?

Quote from: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 10, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: sr641 on May 10, 2012, 07:28:09 PM
The Audabon Parkway is future Interstate 369.

What's the speed limit? 88?

I believe it is 65 m.p.h.

It's actually 70 mph.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tidecat on May 11, 2012, 06:05:53 AM
According to Wikipedia, Daviess County officials are the ones who proposed I-369 back in 2005:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_369_(Kentucky) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_369_(Kentucky))

I-369 may make more sense as long as I-164 is on the hoof, and especially since the Greater Owensboro Chamber of Commerce is also pushing an I-165 designation for the Natcher: http://gotransportation.net/highway_plans_&_projects/i-66_65_spur.php  The irony is that the same site shows the Audubon as I-169, not I-369.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 12, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
I decided to take a vacation day on Friday to check out progress on I-69. I am not an expert, but I am having a hard time seeing how the SR 68 to US 231 section will open in 2012 as scheduled. I decided to venture down some gravel roads and covered the entire length (as much as possible).

Starting at SR 37 in Bloomington, the first sign of construction was at SR 445 where a lot of trees have been cut and earth moving has begun. The second sign was where I-69 crosses SR 45 where a lot of earth has been moved. I did not go down any backroads in this newest section. The next point I saw was at US 231, and from there on I spent more time. Below are some pictures - these are all from areas that are well underway. I will try to post some where the road is not as far along in another post.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-US231-1.jpg&hash=5cc9dafa728d4abdf067dec3bb66e53b78ac6e8b)
US 231 at I-69 - the deck is not in place on this overpass

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-Asphalt-1.jpg&hash=a4ff4e53794f20299a5f8e3ad8d4de200fc196c2)
Asphalt paving in Daviess County north of Washington

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-PCCP-1.jpg&hash=78acdf19b043d4badc1d3234229b18d0142652de)
PCCP paving near Washington (just north of US 50)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-US50-1.jpg&hash=4b66c91229010f73721f6b3629b56eef20ab1181)
US 50 new eastbound lanes at I-69

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR64.jpg&hash=e761ebdd5eedcca32ac275188e192cc7dc1bc898)
SR 64 at I-69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 13, 2012, 02:28:15 PM
The scale of this project is amazing. I thought 70 -80 miles was long, but when you see all the men and machinery operating along the whole length of this thing, the scale sinks in. I think this would be considered a long project even by 1960s and early 1970s standards as even then it was common to see 20-30 mile sections being built at a time.

This is where I am seeing a problem as so much paving will have to be done over so many miles toward the tail end of this year. Not much of the road is yet paved today. A lot of the road isn't even close to final grade and some of it is still in earth-moving stages. Most bridges are well along, but some are barely started. If this opens up in 2012, it will be pretty amazing, but on the other hand a lot has changed since my last look at it in late October, 2011.

Part 2 of I-69 photos follows.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR56-2.jpg&hash=829f608f3935dc00117eb2cb62f83eaa5f4f9323)
I-69 at SR 56/SR 61 near Petersburg. This overpass has a ways to go.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-Elnora-2.jpg&hash=c4e048eeb2eada3556bb0c59fd971a88fe4f718f)
Overpass over railway tracks near Elnora

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-GreeneCty-2.jpg&hash=6bd08226ea56c23fe05fdfeed2d50898734654be)
Looking north in northern Daviess County (south of SR 58)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Hole-1.jpg&hash=905bac2bed2a447b1b47ecaaaf8eec6868d9c9d2)
Digging out bad soil in Gibson County

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-Washington-1.jpg&hash=e7782513972ad3eaa3f3d9d6111ba3a505af8474)
Overpass over railway tracks just north of US 50 in Washington

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-Elnora-1.jpg&hash=4baa17081b9e97ef84aedcc4c288314d78e3999b)
Looking where the road makes a turn toward the east near Elnora


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on May 14, 2012, 09:25:01 PM
^ These are really nice pics. I am also amazed at the scale of the construction effort on I-69. If only we could see something like this for other important future interstates (*cough*I-49*cough*).

Thanks mukade!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 16, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
According to the latest INDOT letting schedule that was released yesterday, all of the remaining I-69 contracts up to SR 37 will be let beginning in July and ending in October of this year. That bumps the schedule forward a couple of months. I believe the sections from US 231 to SR 37 account for at least 25 miles of new freeway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Great Whamini on May 16, 2012, 08:57:59 PM
I heard it's bat mating season in some forest areas, so tree felling was suspending through this October.  I say all well and good.  There's plenty of land now on the fast track for completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 18, 2012, 09:10:59 AM
Enjoy this long construction piece. Most likely it will be the LAST ever in America. I hear folks on I-49 but my hope is not strong for long stretches of it in Arkansas. It will be a 5-10 mile slog at a time for decades.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 18, 2012, 05:01:57 PM
It could be. The Toll Road deal happened at the perfect time so Indiana got maximum dollars from the lease. After that, Indiana took advantage of the poor economy to get very low prices on the new construction. Also, the governor was committed to building roads as promised, not diverting the money to the general fund as many people suggested. So the urgency and economy worked together to create the perfect storm for a lot of road construction. While this may be the last such case (short of new toll roads on new or existing terrain, possibly), it is one one more case than I ever expected to see again after the 1970s.

Dollar-wise, the Hamilton County US 31 improvement scheduled for 2014 will be not too far off the cost to build I-69 from Evansville to Crane. Not nearly as long, though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on May 21, 2012, 01:35:56 AM
Great pics. Thanks for the updates. The 445 section is really coming along. They have already removed several houses around 45 and 445. I can't wait for the Ev to Crane to be finished.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 21, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
So which is finished first I-69 from Bloomington to Indy or I-67 (trying to be positive) from Indy to South Bend? I think I-67 as it might be cheaper and easier.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 21, 2012, 09:32:52 AM
I think I-69 would be done first, only because the entire cooridor is more or less planned out, the details are still needed for the interchanges along with the enviromental plans and of course there is accurquing the funding (we don't have another toll road to sell.) But we haven't even gotten to any of the initial steps on converting the rest of US 31 to a freeway, only the mere talk about it (as evidenced from the article a few posts up.) I think that the that stretch of highway won't be converted for a while unless funding can be found to do that and with all that, I-69 might be able to inch its way up north from Bloomington just soon enough to be mostly finished by the time that happens. Note that I say "inch" since I'm not convinced that Sections 5 and 6 will be done quickly. However, if I see an actual timetable and financing plan for making the rest of US 31 into a freeway (I am more partial to keeping the US 31 name instead of I-67 when it becomes a freeway, personally) then I will conclude that the 31 corridor can be finished first.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 21, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
I agree I-69 is the top priority in the state. One interesting thing in the I-69 plans being discussed is whether to rebuild or keep some of the existing SR 37 interchanges in Bloomington. Personally, I would favor keeping them as they are for now and upgrade the road going north.

Originally, the I-69/I-465 south interchange and a couple of miles of I-69 were planned as a Major Moves project (i.e.the 2012-205 timeframe), but that plan seems to have been dropped.

As for the proposed I-67 (or US 31), I hope they incrementally upgrade it by building interchanges at old SR 47 (236th St.), SR 28, SR 18, SR 218, and Peru. If one interchange could be knocked out a year, the road would be much safer. With only 7 traffic lights remaining, I fear more of those high speed tragic rear-end collisions like the road has already seen. A slow, steady upgrade would not break the bank.

As for US 31 itself, north of Peru, the road is modern, and I agree would be relatively cheap to upgrade. Mainly just a few interchanges, bridges, and cul-de-sacs. From Peru south to old SR 47 , there are a lot of driveways and businesses on the road. South of Kokomo, one side of US 31 is the still the old wavy carriageway  which would probably need to rebuilt to modern standards.

The other two top priority roads are I-265 and the Illiana Toll Road, of course. Presumably these would be funded thru public-private partnerships.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 22, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
Miscellaneous I-69-related links of interest:

EDITORIAL: Daniels' innovative Major Moves plan brought roads, jobs (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/may/16/daniels-innovative-major-moves-plan-brought-jobs/) (Evansville Courier Press)

One of the I-69 contractors has a web-cam link with a fairly cool time lapse option.
Fred Weber, Inc. (http://www.fredweberinc.com/projects/indiana-i-69-project)

Another contractor has a few pictures:
T.J. Lambrecht Construction (http://www.tjlambrecht.com/i69_1011_db.asp)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 23, 2012, 03:47:23 PM
I would favor closing them since Bloomington didn't and doesn't want I-69. Then to open them I would force Bloomington to pay double the price. Hard core yes but it's Bloomington and they deserve to be jacked up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 23, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
Like the accidents on the Watkins in KC at Gregory BLVD. Many have died at that light.

Quote from: mukade on May 21, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
I agree I-69 is the top priority in the state. One interesting thing in the I-69 plans being discussed is whether to rebuild or keep some of the existing SR 37 interchanges in Bloomington. Personally, I would favor keeping them as they are for now and upgrade the road going north.

Originally, the I-69/I-465 south interchange and a couple of miles of I-69 were planned as a Major Moves project (i.e.the 2012-205 timeframe), but that plan seems to have been dropped.

As for the proposed I-67 (or US 31), I hope they incrementally upgrade it by building interchanges at old SR 47 (236th St.), SR 28, SR 18, SR 218, and Peru. If one interchange could be knocked out a year, the road would be much safer. With only 7 traffic lights remaining, I fear more of those high speed tragic rear-end collisions like the road has already seen. A slow, steady upgrade would not break the bank.

As for US 31 itself, north of Peru, the road is modern, and I agree would be relatively cheap to upgrade. Mainly just a few interchanges, bridges, and cul-de-sacs. From Peru south to old SR 47 , there are a lot of driveways and businesses on the road. South of Kokomo, one side of US 31 is the still the old wavy carriageway  which would probably need to rebuilt to modern standards.

The other two top priority roads are I-265 and the Illiana Toll Road, of course. Presumably these would be funded thru public-private partnerships.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: InterstateNG on May 23, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on May 23, 2012, 03:47:23 PM
I would favor closing them since Bloomington didn't and doesn't want I-69. Then to open them I would force Bloomington to pay double the price. Hard core yes but it's Bloomington and they deserve to be jacked up.

You keep posting this idiotic nonsense.  Have you you actually researched whether the citizenry at large cares one way or the other?  Probably not.  Has anyone?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 23, 2012, 08:10:18 PM
A vocal minority doesn't want I-69 in Bloomington. And if I recall from earlier in this thread, the amount of people in favor of the highway there actually trumps the number of people against it. As someone who has visited Bloomington and lived there for several summers, there are people there who would love to get to Indianapolis without any stoplights and have no personal problems with the interstate. They are smart to realize that the interstate isn't going to destroy the unique culture of Bloomington. The courthouse square, Kirkwood Avenue, IU and the beautiful scenery aren't going away, and a lot of people in Bloomington get this.

It's just that the other group is louder and will never let the issue die, even long after they use the interstate to get up to Indy without stopping at any stoplights. Even at the meetings that were recently in Bloomington over Section 4 and 5, the media focused on the 20 or so opponents of the highway, while ignoring the larger number of people who were at least okay with the highway or completely in favor of it. You don't sell papers with everyone agreeing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on May 23, 2012, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: InterstateNG on May 23, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on May 23, 2012, 03:47:23 PM
I would favor closing them since Bloomington didn't and doesn't want I-69. Then to open them I would force Bloomington to pay double the price. Hard core yes but it's Bloomington and they deserve to be jacked up.

You keep posting this idiotic nonsense.  Have you you actually researched whether the citizenry at large cares one way or the other?  Probably not.  Has anyone?

The Bloomington Metropolitan Planning Organization was attempting to delay/halt construction of I-69 as noted earlier in this thread.  The voting members of MPOs, as far as I know and given my experience with other MPOs, are local elected officials.  Someone had to elect said officials.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 24, 2012, 06:10:47 AM
They are elected officials, but I am not sure I-69 was a dominant election issue in their campaigns - or even an issue raised at all by some members.

I think sentiment is split there. Everyone I have talked to is pro-I-69, but that doesn't mean anything. I think it is clear that the vocal opposition is a very small minority. Many of the activists arrested over the years were not even from Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 25, 2012, 09:36:48 PM
Interesting video of bridge beams being delivered for I-69:




SR 56/SR 61 interchange with I-69

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on May 26, 2012, 10:49:32 AM
When I-69 opens to Crane, will existing SR 57 be cosigned on I-69 with the existing roadway turned over to the counties, will SR 57 be decommisioned for most of its length, or will SR 57 stay as it is north of SR 68?  Knowing what I do about INDOT, I would be surprised if INDOT wants to maintain the existing road over the long term.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 26, 2012, 02:49:14 PM
I may be optomistic, but I think that SR 57 might remain where it is, at least north of SR 68. Honestly, the stretch from I-164 south to US 41 isn't needed much, but the rest can still be a locally-used state highway. There won't be too many exits along I-69, at least initially, so people living along the cooridor will still need to use SR 57 from their closest exit to their homes. That, and local county governments may not want to have to maintain that stretch of highway, this has happened with other state highways that the state has tried to turn over. As an example, I point to SR 46 and I-74 in Southeast Indiana of having a state highway closely follow an interstate and remain a state highway, likewise SR 42 and I-70 from Terre Haute to Mooresville. Now, as for SR 37 when it becomes Interstate 69, I would expect a decommissioning eventually for that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 26, 2012, 04:47:27 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on May 26, 2012, 10:49:32 AM
When I-69 opens to Crane, will existing SR 57 be cosigned on I-69 with the existing roadway turned over to the counties, will SR 57 be decommisioned for most of its length, or will SR 57 stay as it is north of SR 68?  Knowing what I do about INDOT, I would be surprised if INDOT wants to maintain the existing road over the long term.

If you loook at the online INDOT plans, SR 57 will not be co-signed with I-69. If I had to guess, INDOT will offer to turn most of current SR 57 over to local agencies. Also, my guess is that SR 57 north of Elnora will stay. Washington still has that SR 257 spur which might indicate, turning it back there might prove to be difficult, but as INDOT provided funds for the new "gateway" road in Washington near the new I-69 interchange, maybe a deal was made in exchange.

Seeing that the one interchange in Pike County south of Petersburg will not be built initially, Pike County may not be willing to take over any of SR 57. The new interchange might be a bargaining chip.

Quote from: tdindy88 on May 26, 2012, 02:49:14 PM
I may be optomistic, but I think that SR 57 might remain where it is, at least north of SR 68. Honestly, the stretch from I-164 south to US 41 isn't needed much, but the rest can still be a locally-used state highway. There won't be too many exits along I-69, at least initially, so people living along the cooridor will still need to use SR 57 from their closest exit to their homes. That, and local county governments may not want to have to maintain that stretch of highway, this has happened with other state highways that the state has tried to turn over. As an example, I point to SR 46 and I-74 in Southeast Indiana of having a state highway closely follow an interstate and remain a state highway, likewise SR 42 and I-70 from Terre Haute to Mooresville. Now, as for SR 37 when it becomes Interstate 69, I would expect a decommissioning eventually for that.

I agree the part south of I-64 is not consistent with what INDOT generally wants. To me, as SR 57 now is not a busy road, I doubt that INDOT wants to keep it north of SR 68 after I-69 opens.

I would hope SR 37 will end at I-69 in Bloomington. Heck, the SR 37 designation should be pulled from Fishers to Marion and from Fort Wayne to Ohio. That route will never be what it once was. Times have changed.

My vote would be to make the Fishers to Marion part SR 15 and the Fort Wayne to Ohio part SR 14. My vote for Indy to Bloomington beginning ASAP would be for it to become SR 69 and re-designating current SR 69 to something like SR 71 or SR 73. When I-69 is fully complete, SR 69 would disappear (as it should). Just a pipe dream and foray into the fictional realm, I suppose.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 27, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
If I-69 is completed all the way down to Evansville, with the Penryville already there and KY taking it seriously, pressure will arise in getting that Ohio River Crossing done even if it requires bonds to be sold to do it.  That seems to be what I hear from others here is the how to get financing to get a crossing built right now.

I like to see two N-S interstates that go from end to end of the Hoosier State and I would imagine that having an Indy to Evansville corridor is needed and would help commerce out a great deal locally within the State.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 28, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
More on the funding issues when Major Moves money is spent, but both candidates for governor pledge support for I-69:

As Major Moves money runs out, candidates pledge continued support for I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/may/25/no-headline---ev_interstate69/) (Evansville Coourier-Press)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on May 29, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
Here's a radical idea: raise the gas tax! ;-)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on May 30, 2012, 07:47:59 AM
Quote from: JREwing78 on May 29, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
Here's a radical idea: raise the gas tax! ;-)

A radical idea that, while I agree with you, would get you voted out of office.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Indiana already has a top ten gas tax.

Yes higher than Wisconsin.

I would rather do away with Davis-Beacon and lower labor rates.

Lower labor rates equal more road projects and yes work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 30, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
Correct, because Indiana pays sales tax on fuel unlike many states. If gasoline dropped to $2.00 before taxes, Indiana would have lower taxes than Wisconsin.

So what Indiana probably could do is cap the sales tax per gallon and then increase the actual gasoline tax by 3 cents or so. As we will be getting a tax refund because of the budget surplus, I think they could cap it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on May 30, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: mukade on May 30, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
Correct, because Indiana pays sales tax on fuel unlike many states. If gasoline dropped to $2.00 before taxes, Indiana would have lower taxes than Wisconsin.

So what Indiana probably could do is cap the sales tax per gallon and then increase the actual gasoline tax by 3 cents or so. As we will be getting a tax refund because of the budget surplus, I think they could cap it.

Why not just earmark the sales tax revenue on fuel sales to INDOT?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 30, 2012, 09:59:35 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Indiana already has a top ten gas tax.

Yes higher than Wisconsin.

I would rather do away with Davis-Beacon and lower labor rates.

Lower labor rates equal more road projects and yes work.

Lower labor rates equal less qualified workers making poorer quality roads.
Of course I've yet to see any conservatives offer to take a paycut to help profitablity either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 30, 2012, 10:02:43 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on May 30, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: mukade on May 30, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
Correct, because Indiana pays sales tax on fuel unlike many states. If gasoline dropped to $2.00 before taxes, Indiana would have lower taxes than Wisconsin.

So what Indiana probably could do is cap the sales tax per gallon and then increase the actual gasoline tax by 3 cents or so. As we will be getting a tax refund because of the budget surplus, I think they could cap it.

Why not just earmark the sales tax revenue on fuel sales to INDOT?

Mike

Money is fungible, but not every legislature or administration would have the commitment to spend money on roads. Also, wouldn't it be hard to predict how much sales tax you'd get because gasoline prices wouldn't be known? As the price of gas goes up, taxes also go up so it is more painful on us when oil prices are high. A cap would be best, IMO.

I think it would be easier to know how much the gas tax is. Also, I think the Indiana constitution dicates excess money beyond a certain amount must be refunded to the taxpayers.

BTW, I got my information on taxes from IndianaGasPrices.com (http://www.indianagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx) so I hope that is right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 10:21:15 PM
If Davis-Beacon doesn't go away.

Then the so called high quality workers will be sitting UNEMPLOYED as the state doesn't have money to pay them 40 bucks a hour.

My theory is lower the labor rate but increase the work load. Thus no reduction in pay but a increase of road projects.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 30, 2012, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 10:21:15 PM
If Davis-Beacon doesn't go away.

Then the so called high quality workers will be sitting UNEMPLOYED as the state doesn't have money to pay them 40 bucks a hour.

My theory is lower the labor rate but increase the work load. Thus no reduction in pay but a increase of road projects.

There are as many highway construction workers making $40 a hour as you are.
Try again.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on May 30, 2012, 11:00:19 PM
Michigan has the same issue - they have a 18 cent tax going straight to roads, but there's a 6% sales tax on it as well that goes straight to the general fund.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 02, 2012, 10:43:45 AM
Found this this morning with a few pictures in the article about the bridges over the Patoka River on the Pike/Daviess county line. This is one area I really haven't seen under construction, but things are moving along over there.

http://dubois-pikecounty.14news.com/news/transportation/60307-i-69-patoka-river-bridge-project-progressing
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 13, 2012, 10:53:27 PM
 I-69 Opponents Speak Out Against Bridge Construction (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-opponents-speak-bridge-construction-31531/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 21, 2012, 07:47:04 PM
A good article from the Evansville Courier and Press:

I-69 begins to take shape (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jun/20/i-69-puzzle-takes-shape/)
Title: NPR's "All Things Considered" on Indiana's I-69 Extension
Post by: Grzrd on June 21, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: mukade on January 28, 2012, 10:38:34 PM
CARR also said Indiana is the only I-69 state going with a new terrain route. Besides the fact the fairly long SR 37 portion is not new terrain, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana do have significant new terrain routes. I am not sure about Texas. Kentucky's routing is mostly on existing roadways except around Henderson.

NPR's All Things Considered (http://www.npr.org/2012/06/20/154852321/in-indiana-a-u-s-superhighway-may-hit-the-skids) currently has a recording of a report about Indiana's I-69 extension on its webite.  The print version of the report currently has a correction of the distance from Bloomington to Indianapolis, correcting it to 40 miles from 90 miles.  The print version also contains the following statement:

Quote
When complete, Interstate 69 would pass through eight states and provide a direct route through the Midwest between Canada and Mexico.
Most of the states along the route are upgrading existing roads to interstate standards. Indiana, in contrast, must build almost 100 miles of entirely new road for its portion of the project.

I wonder where the NPR reporter obtained her underlying "facts" for the report?  :hmm:  Is another correction in order?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 21, 2012, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on June 21, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: mukade on January 28, 2012, 10:38:34 PM
CARR also said Indiana is the only I-69 state going with a new terrain route. Besides the fact the fairly long SR 37 portion is not new terrain, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana do have significant new terrain routes. I am not sure about Texas. Kentucky's routing is mostly on existing roadways except around Henderson.

NPR's All Things Considered (http://www.npr.org/2012/06/20/154852321/in-indiana-a-u-s-superhighway-may-hit-the-skids) currently has a recording of a report about Indiana's I-69 extension on its webite.  The print version of the report currently has a correction of the distance from Bloomington to Indianapolis, correcting it to 40 miles from 90 miles.  The print version also contains the following statement:

Quote
When complete, Interstate 69 would pass through eight states and provide a direct route through the Midwest between Canada and Mexico.
Most of the states along the route are upgrading existing roads to interstate standards. Indiana, in contrast, must build almost 100 miles of entirely new road for its portion of the project.

I wonder where the NPR reporter obtained her underlying "facts" for the report?  :hmm:  Is another correction in order?

Most likely, the facts came from CARR. That is usually their source. In addition to that, another part is misleading:

QuoteIndiana Gov. Mitch Daniels has been fast-tracking construction. But when he leaves office in January, the road will be less than half-finished – and money for the project is running out.

Huh? So if they are talking about the new part in Indiana, over 90 miles will be under construction by September. Approximately 20 miles of I-164 which will be I-69 are complete and open to traffic. Approximately 20 miles of I-465 which will carry are complete and open to traffic. That adds up to 130 miles of the extension with 40 miles left (or 287 miles if you include current I-69). The remaining part from Bloomington to Indy will most likely be more expensive than the part being built now, and the Ohio River bridge will indeed be very expensive; but they need to define what is meant by "less than half finished".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 28, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
The foolishness never ends in Bloomington:

EDITORIAL: Bloomington effort to halt I-69 project no longer realistic (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jun/27/bloomington-effort-to-halt-i-69-project-no/) (from Evansville Courier & Press)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on July 01, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
I don't know if anyone else has seen this yet, but Bing maps is showing another section of I-69 in Indiana in the ROW-clearance stage:

See:  http://binged.it/OWsE2r

This is about halfway between Bloomington and the current end of the construction at US 231 a short distance east of Elnora, IN.

Enjoy!

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 01, 2012, 11:17:10 PM
I would guess these were taken in September of last year as there is some color in the trees and the new US 231 road was opened late last year or early this year. Since last fall, a contract for a four mile stretch from US 231 east was also let which does not seem to be shown. That might be the one where clearing was done, but then construction was halted due to the bats nesting in the area. On July 11, the first contract into Monroe County (where Bloomington is) should be let.

This map (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Map_PA_DEIS_SHT10.pdf) shows the connector road from SR 45/SR 445 to I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 01, 2012, 11:21:46 PM
Not sure if you noticed it, but the latest signage plans for the interchange with Interstate 69 and SR 445 shows that the trumpet interchange is being changed to one with roundabouts at each end.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 01, 2012, 11:32:35 PM
Where are those maps? On the INDOT online plans page?

That would be a good change, but you would think the official I-69 site would have the latest plans... or maybe not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 02, 2012, 08:58:47 PM
I found the diagram in the signage plans on the contracts page that you've shown me before. The contract number should be IR-33739, found in the Vincennes District in July 2012, but it shows that the interchange has two roundabouts that connect the new segment of SR 445 to I-69. And I do agree that it is a better change for that interchange than the trumpet that would have taken up more space for what would not be a well-traveled interchange.

Interestingly, there is no mention of SR 45 or 54 on the signage for Exit 104, which is SR 445. Both Exit 98 (SR 45) and 104 (SR 445) have no control cities, which is probably understandable given the rural nature of eastern Greene County, but I would have thought that maybe Bloomfield should be mentioned on southbound I-69 approaching SR 445, but that's just me. The signage plans also show that the next interchange (mentioned with a "Next Exit in XX miles sign) after Exit 104 is in ten miles, which means that the SR 37 interchange should be Exit 114. The letting for that segment of highway isn't until October so I would assume that those signs won't be avaliable to view until then.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 02, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Good catch on the plan changes. I agree that Bloomfield (and maybe Linton) should be on the SR 445 sign. I don't see why Cincinnati wouldn't be on the SR 45 sign either. BTW, are plans posted for the section that actually has the SR 45 interchange?

Like you said, it looks like the plans are posted less than a month before the letting so it will could be in late September (but likely October) before we see details of the SR 37 interchange.

Now if they could build the Fullerton Pike interchange and build the Vernal Pike, Tapp Rd., and Rockport Road overpasses on SR 37, that would put I-69 effectively through Bloomington. I know they want to rebuild the SR 45 and SR 48 interchanges, but I wish they would push those plans back in favor of building further north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 02, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
I thought the same about Cincinnati, unless they were worried about confusion with Cincinnati, Ohio, there is a sign on SR 37 at US 50 in Bedford that is for "that" Cincinnati. The SR 45 interchange plans are a bit earlier to the SR 445 interchange, March or April I believe. As for the interchange, it will be a simple diamond, which is all that is really needed for that location.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 02, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Indiana already has a top ten gas tax.

Yes higher than Wisconsin.

I would rather do away with Davis-Beacon and lower labor rates.

Lower labor rates equal more road projects and yes work.

Lower labor rates equal more poverty as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 02, 2012, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 02, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
I thought the same about Cincinnati, unless they were worried about confusion with Cincinnati, Ohio, there is a sign on SR 37 at US 50 in Bedford that is for "that" Cincinnati. The SR 45 interchange plans are a bit earlier to the SR 445 interchange, March or April I believe. As for the interchange, it will be a simple diamond, which is all that is really needed for that location.

Wow, is there a Cincinnati in Ohio too??

OK, so back to I-69 and Bloomington. The paid subscription-only Bloomington Herald Times has a guest editorial by Tom Tokarski, the #1 I-69 opponent and media darling. I don't subscribe, but anyone can read the comments here (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMi8wNy8wMi9kaWdpdGFsY2l0eS5pLTY5LXN5bWJvbGl6ZXMtcmVja2xlc3Mtd2FzdGUtYnktZ292ZXJubWVudC5zdG8=).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 02, 2012, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on May 30, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
I would rather do away with Davis-Bacon and lower labor rates

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m0844cqtle1qetpw3o1_400.jpg&hash=f9eb0146865ab1ae9293bbb461de32171a853af4)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 03, 2012, 09:39:40 PM
INDOT started to build a new interchange on I-69 in Fort Wayne at Union Chapel Road on the north side of town. My daughter who lives in Fort Wayne, asked an insightful question about it: what exit number will it have? So I looked at the online plans and it is supposed to be exit 117.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FUnion_Chapel_Rd.jpg&hash=9dfbdde8941aac87976ec90be7748db97519f1b1)

At the same time, the exits under construction on the new section down south are to be 27, 33, 46, 62, 76, 87, 98, 104, and 114. Oddly, I don't see any numbering conflicts, but why wouldn't INDOT take the opportunity to update the northern section exit numbers when the new section opens? I think I read the old section exits will be bumped up by 184 so Union Chapel Road should be exit 301.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 03, 2012, 10:22:30 PM
I am suspecting that it may be several years before they change the exit numbers north of Indianapolis.  It would be more confusing to have a single exit with a much bigger number than the sorrounding exits.  I figure at some point INDOT will let a single contract or series of contracts to update the I-69 exit numbers north of Indianapolis all at once.

I remember when all of the exit numbers in Georgia switched from consecutive to mileage-based back in early 2000, it was done all over the state in a very short period of time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 03, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
I guess my point, not clearly made, was to make the change for the entire northern section numbers to coincide with the opening of the southern section.

BTW, there will be one duplication of exit numbers on I-69: exit 46. Both SR 56/SR 61 in Petersburg and US 40 on I-465 will have that number. That is similar to I-74 which has two exits 4, 8, and 52 because of the I-465 concurrency. Nothing you can do about those.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 04, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
Luckily, I just pretend that I-74 doesn't exist along I-465 and that problem magically goes away. Speaking of I-74, which will be multiplexed with I-465 and I-69 from Exit 4 east to Exit 49, does anyone else think that six lanes may not be enough for that highway when I-69 is finally finished up to Indy?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 04, 2012, 08:30:56 PM
I have to admit I never really thought about that. First, until I-69 is complete from Indy to Bloomington, I don't see a lot more traffic coming up, but there will be some for sure. When it is close to complete up to Indy, the capacity needs to be considered. We assume I-69 will go up the east leg of 465, but the eight lane sections up the west and north legs would make for less widening. Not sure, but I know it would be quite expensive to widen the south and east legs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 07, 2012, 09:01:49 AM
Below is an article about the drought in Indiana that states that it could affect I-69 construction in that there may not be enough water to make the concrete to pave miles of roadway.

Washington residents join Daviess County dwellers in being asked to conserve water (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=167&ArticleID=65619) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on July 09, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
I know this is a touchy subject but in return for lowering labor rates from davis-beacon. I would want all the money saved to go to new road projects. So workers would not lose money as they replace higher pay projects with more lower pay jobs. I would hope to end the boom-bust cycle for workers. Create a even workload with more projects to handle.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on July 09, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
I just checked out the lower part of I-69 north of Evansville. How far up to Bloomington does construction currently go? Is the entire corridor shown in OpenStreetMaps visible or have parts not been started yet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 09, 2012, 08:06:31 PM
The SR 68 to US 231 sections are scheduled to open in late 2012 - assuming they can get the paving done. That is approximately 67 miles if I remember correctly.

Currently, there are two contracts that have been let between US 231 and SR 37. There are four more to go with the next letting on Wednesday, 7/11. The remaining three will be let in August, September, and October. So by the end of this year, it should be open or under construction from just north of the Ohio River (I-164) to SR 37 in Bloomington.

Proposed plans for section 5 from Bloomington up to Martinsville are being presented for public comment now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on July 09, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 09, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
I just checked out the lower part of I-69 north of Evansville. How far up to Bloomington does construction currently go? Is the entire corridor shown in OpenStreetMaps visible or have parts not been started yet?

Also, about a week ago, now on the previous page, I posted a link to a Bing maps aerial image showing ROW clearance going on about halfway between the current end of the construction at US 231 (a short distance east of Elnora, IN) and Bloomington.

(My 1000th post in AARoads!   :cool: )

Mike
Title: I-69 Exits to be Renumbered in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on July 09, 2012, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 03, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
I guess my point, not clearly made, was to make the change for the entire northern section numbers to coincide with the opening of the southern section.

This article (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120709/LOCAL0102/207090337/Fishers-prepares-new-designations-69-exits) indicates that INDOT will renumber the northern exits and mile markers beginning this year:

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The town of Fishers is partnering with the Indiana Department of Transportation to talk with the public this month about renumbering all of I-69's exits starting this year.
The plan stems from the completion of the highway's extension through southern Indiana, and means that all of the exits along the northern part of the route will need to be renumbered, according to a press release from the town of Fishers. When completed, the new I-69 will have added 184 miles to is already existing route. The new numbering system will start at the southern border and proceed north.
Mile markers will also be updated along with the exit numbers. The state will use both the old and new numbers for a number of years before removing the old ones entirely.
The meeting starts at 8 a.m. on July 26 in the Fishers Train Station Meeting Room.

Here's the Fishers Chamber of Commerce press release (http://www.fisherschamber.com/cwt/external/wcpages/wcnews/newsarticledisplay.aspx?ArticleID=745) about the upcoming July 26 meeting to explain the changes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 09, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
Interesting, now we are getting somewhere in the eventual renumbering of the exits. A quick look of the comments page of that section, one person says they ought to number the exits to the SOUTH of Indianapolis using negative numbers. I'm sure anyone here would have a field day with that, but has anyone actually thought of that before? Of course, the majority of people aren't as savvy with highway terminology or the way the whole thing works, so I'm not holding too much against anyone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 09, 2012, 10:01:25 PM
You gotta love that idea of negative numbered exits.

So hopefully Union Chapel Road will be exit 301 and not ever exit 117 as shown in the INDOT plans.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 09, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
That would be a waste of signage. On another note, I know that most of the signage at the interchanges from Grant County north to Michigan are rather new, I hope they just replace the tabs and not the whole sign. On that note, I also know that there is still button copy signage in Madison and Delaware Counties, will these be going away?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 09, 2012, 10:16:14 PM
The SR 68 exit on I-69 was exit 22 when it opened because it used I-164 numbering. Last time I was down there, the exit number tab was blank so I'll assume they will do that if they can. South of SR 22 the signs are older so that will be interesting.

The SR 9/SR 109 interchange in Anderson (exit 26) was button copy last time I was there. I don't remember if any others were.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmeck on July 10, 2012, 01:51:41 AM
I wonder when the exits are renumbered, if they will have a tab that says, "Former exit XX." I have seen this before, though I can't remember where. Maybe Virginia or Georgia?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 10, 2012, 10:13:49 AM
The button-copy signage still on Interstate 69 begins at Exit 22 (SR 9/67) and continued past Exit 45 (US 35/SR 28) and all the way to the Delaware-Grant county line, where newer signage took over at the next exit. There are a couple or so signs that aren't button-copy that were installed in that stretch to replace signage that I assume was damaged, but that's it.,

Also, the Indianapolis Star article mentioned that the exits would have both the old and the new numbers mentioned for an uspecified amount of time. So there very much should be a "Old Exit XX" sign nearby. I suppose more will be mentioned at the meeting in Fishers later on and then we should know more about the plans for this. In one other news, I took a look at more signage plans online last night and they have some new signs for the upcoming Exit 114 with SR 37 on I-69. It only shows the advanced signage at the two and one mile points, but it will be Exit 114 and it will be for SR 37 to Bloomington and Bedford.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Takumi on July 10, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: rickmeck on July 10, 2012, 01:51:41 AM
I wonder when the exits are renumbered, if they will have a tab that says, "Former exit XX." I have seen this before, though I can't remember where. Maybe Virginia or Georgia?

Virginia had "Old Exit XX" on the former Richmond-Petersburg Turnpike for a short time after the exit renumbering in the early '90s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on July 10, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: rickmeck on July 10, 2012, 01:51:41 AM
I wonder when the exits are renumbered, if they will have a tab that says, "Former exit XX." I have seen this before, though I can't remember where. Maybe Virginia or Georgia?

PennDOT (as well as the PTC on the Turnpike) did that when it switched from sequential to mileage-based numbering in the early 00s. Here's an example on I-95 northbound, just north of Philadelphia:

http://maps.google.com/?ll=40.132921,-74.887018&spn=0.000033,0.016415&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.132812,-74.891085&panoid=2C62WIVgiKv3uHYEtPLjLA&cbp=12,46.92,,0,-3.14
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 07:39:45 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 09, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 09, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
I just checked out the lower part of I-69 north of Evansville. How far up to Bloomington does construction currently go? Is the entire corridor shown in OpenStreetMaps visible or have parts not been started yet?

Also, about a week ago, now on the previous page, I posted a link to a Bing maps aerial image showing ROW clearance going on about halfway between the current end of the construction at US 231 (a short distance east of Elnora, IN) and Bloomington.

(My 1000th post in AARoads!   :cool: )

Mike
Sounds like by the time I get back to Indiana, I'll be able to drive half and tour the other half... good deal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 13, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
In the letting this week, bids were taken for the section going from Carmichael Road to the Monroe County line. The lowest bid (from Gohmann Construction) was for about $90M which is over the engineer's estimate. The highest bid was for something like $125M. So the period where all sections had bids lower than estimates is apparently over.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ssummers72 on July 14, 2012, 06:35:50 AM
FYI:

Hearings are starting on the exit renumbering North of Indianapolis on I-69:
http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120713/NEWS/120719791/-1/LIVING

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 14, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
Another news article on the exit renumbering, this time coming from Angola:

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=66&ArticleID=65689&TM=61113.34

Interestingly, the article says that INDOT is starting at Mile Marker 200 at current Exit 0, not 184. I'm not sure if this is an error by the newspaper itself or we are missing something with the highway. In any case, I measured the distance from roughly the spot where Exit 114 will be at Rockport Road and SR 37 (not the exact location mind you, but close) to Exit 37 off of I-465 and it comes up to 182 miles (meaning that the 184 theory is more likely correct.) But whatever.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on July 14, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Using the construction/proposed routing mapped in OSM, I get 183.3 miles from the south end of I-164 to the south end of I-69. I agree that 200 is bogus.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 14, 2012, 06:05:47 PM
And the distance from where I-69 will head south from the current I-164 to the Ohio is slightly more than the distance west to US 41. That would make it around 184.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on July 14, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
Anyone want to contact INDOT and get some bureaucrat a reprimand for thinking?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ClarkE on July 14, 2012, 07:00:23 PM
I drove past the future US 231/I-69 interchange a few weeks ago, and they were placing the concrete beams for the overpass above 231 then.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 14, 2012, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 14, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
Anyone want to contact INDOT and get some bureaucrat a reprimand for thinking?

INDOT is fairly decent about responding to questions. Sometimes even their resident highway historian will answer (like when I asked if US 641 ever entered Indiana as shown on some maps). Anyway, the 184 mile distance has been published by INDOT for quite a while so I will assume it is correct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tidecat on July 14, 2012, 07:08:53 PM
I suspect that the addition of 200 to the existing exit numbers is being done to make things easier on motorists and businesses-it's easier on people when something is off exit 154/354 than exit 154/338.  The 16 mile "gap" will likely be hidden within I-465 and I-74's exit numbering.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on July 14, 2012, 11:02:14 PM
Getting a rough measurement on Google Maps from the IN 37 interchange, the difference in mileage between going on the east side of the beltway versus the west side is around 12 miles.  The actual difference is likely closer to 13 or 14 and I'm not sure where the I-69 interchange will be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 14, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
The plans I saw showed I-69 coming in about a mile west of SR 37/Harding St. Originally, that interchange was supposed to be built as part of Major Moves.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: tidecat on July 14, 2012, 07:08:53 PM
I suspect that the addition of 200 to the existing exit numbers is being done to make things easier on motorists and businesses-it's easier on people when something is off exit 154/354 than exit 154/338.  The 16 mile "gap" will likely be hidden within I-465 and I-74's exit numbering.

That is much easier indeed--I hope that the Feds don't cause trouble with it somehow.  If INDOT wanted to, they could probably even officially route 69 the other way around 465 (around the northeast corner) while signing it the way it is supposed to go (around the southeast corner) which would be about 11 miles longer, giving 195 or 196 instead of 184 miles added, much closer to the 200.

They couldn't get away with it easily if 69 had its own exit numbers, but since the 465 numbers will dominate, it seems like a natural way to ease the trouble of the exit number changes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on July 15, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
That is much easier indeed--I hope that the Feds don't cause trouble with it somehow.
MUTCD says nothing about starting at zero, but I think it frowns upon deliberate milepost equations.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 15, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
That is much easier indeed--I hope that the Feds don't cause trouble with it somehow.
MUTCD says nothing about starting at zero, but I think it frowns upon deliberate milepost equations.

It does seem that adding a nice round number like 200 that is close to the offset would make it a lot easier for not only those living and working nearby and those who would have to have promotional/advertising materials redone to reflect new exit numbers in directions, but easier for everyone using the road who might have an old map.  Adding 200 to the old number is something that can be done instantly and would ease driver confusion, while adding 184 is less easy while trying to drive and navigate.  It seems justifiable in the name of making things easier for the motorists to handle the change.  (And for those who estimate distances by difference in exit number, they will estimate 16 miles too long the first time they do it, but the terrible traffic on 465 at many times of day will eat up any of the theoretical savings in distance anyway, so it will all wash out.  :D  )
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 15, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
Until I hear about the meetings taking place in Fishers and Fort Wayne and what INDOT's plans on the renumbering are, I'm not going to take the 200 thing too seriously. In any case, I don't really see the point of making it easier while sacrificing logic and pretending that 16 miles of highway exists when it doesn't, but that's just me. In any case, there will be an old number and a new number, and whether or not you have to subtract 184 or 200 makes little difference as far as I'm personally concerned. As long as I know what the new number is I am alright. People aren't going to be interested in what kind of math you have to do to get to the number, they are just going to want the number itself.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on July 16, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 15, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
That is much easier indeed--I hope that the Feds don't cause trouble with it somehow.
MUTCD says nothing about starting at zero, but I think it frowns upon deliberate milepost equations.
Numbering is to be done based on mileage. There's nothing in there saying that equations are prohibited - otherwise you'd have a hell of a time renumbering every time a bypass is built or a kink straightened when a road is slowly upgraded to freeway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on July 16, 2012, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 16, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 15, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
That is much easier indeed--I hope that the Feds don't cause trouble with it somehow.
MUTCD says nothing about starting at zero, but I think it frowns upon deliberate milepost equations.
Numbering is to be done based on mileage. There's nothing in there saying that equations are prohibited - otherwise you'd have a hell of a time renumbering every time a bypass is built or a kink straightened when a road is slowly upgraded to freeway.
Sure. But deliberate equations not caused by realignments? If INDOT is allowed to add 16 miles in the middle of I-69, why can't a state define appropriate equations to keep sequential numbers? :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ljwestmcsd on July 16, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
The mileage on I-64 east of Lexington, KY is off slightly from that west of Lexington, but it's hidden by I-75, so there's precedence for this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on July 16, 2012, 08:47:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 16, 2012, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 16, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 15, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 15, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
That is much easier indeed--I hope that the Feds don't cause trouble with it somehow.
MUTCD says nothing about starting at zero, but I think it frowns upon deliberate milepost equations.
Numbering is to be done based on mileage. There's nothing in there saying that equations are prohibited - otherwise you'd have a hell of a time renumbering every time a bypass is built or a kink straightened when a road is slowly upgraded to freeway.
Sure. But deliberate equations not caused by realignments? If INDOT is allowed to add 16 miles in the middle of I-69, why can't a state define appropriate equations to keep sequential numbers? :)
So the distance between Exit 2 and 3 on MA I-90 would be one mile by signage, because each tenth-mile sign is 3 miles apart?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on July 16, 2012, 09:31:18 PM
When Interstate 85 was realigned around Greensboro, NC, it increased the mileage of I-85 by three, but the exit numbers beyond the new alignment were left unchanged. So the I-69 200 mile addition would not be the first time exit numbers were fudged on the system.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 16, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
Interesting news out of Daviess County today,

http://washtimesherald.com/breakingnews/x1447686110/NEW-Pilot-okay-plane-able-to-land-on-I-69

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 16, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Quote from: ljwestmcsd on July 16, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
The mileage on I-64 east of Lexington, KY is off slightly from that west of Lexington, but it's hidden by I-75, so there's precedence for this.

Not really. There is an approximate eight-mile overlap. I-64's exits for I-75 are 75 (northern split) and 83 (southern split). I-75's exits for I-64 are 111 (southern split) and 118 (northern split). There's a one-mile difference, but milepoint placement on I-75 in relation to the exits is probably the reason for that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on July 17, 2012, 10:18:45 AM
Road geeking brought to a new level................

http://washtimesherald.com/breakingnews/x1447686549/Plane-lands-safely-on-I-69-construction-zone
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 17, 2012, 12:16:13 PM
Speaking of the I-69 Extension, I noticed this morning that Google Earth has updated its photography to show the I-69 construction north to Petersburg.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mobilene on July 17, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
Here's the thing I don't get. In Indiana, we tend to call an exit by the road it exits onto.  "Take the 96th St. exit" or "Take the SR 37 exit" or whatever.  When Indiana went from sequential to mile-based exit numbers a bunch of years ago, it was met with a collective ho-hum statewide.  So in a big way, imho, the average Indiana traveler couldn't care less about exit numbers. -Jim
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 17, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
I thought when Indiana added exit numbers in the late 1970s or early 1980s, they were mileage-based. I don't remember them being sequential except on the Toll Road.

Either way, mileage-based means just that. If I am 184 miles away from the Ohio River, I would prefer to know that. Once you change it to a "close enough for Government work" based system you lose that little convenience. I assume the mile markers will also match the exit numbers, right? What a mess that would be if they were different. I guess the fact they would be doing it north of Indy and not down south is better than starting that creative little system further south, but I still don't like the idea.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mobilene on July 17, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Maybe you're right about that ... I grew up along the Toll Road, and when it changed to mileage-based exit numbers, I must have assumed the whole state's Interstate system went along at the same time.

I guess I also assume that people notice mile markers and can interpret them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 17, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
I agree, they can interpret them - until they are no longer accurate on I-69. Then none of us will be able to unless we remember to subtract 16.

As for the Toll Road, I think that renumbereing happened a few years after the rest of the freeway exits were numbered.

Speaking of mileage-based exit numbers, who remembers these?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI94-Millburg-Coloma-2.JPG&hash=bf66f0235960dbb7ed083a77e89aca721e7fbf2c)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 17, 2012, 08:14:33 PM
Quote from: mobilene on July 17, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
Here's the thing I don't get. In Indiana, we tend to call an exit by the road it exits onto.  "Take the 96th St. exit" or "Take the SR 37 exit" or whatever.  When Indiana went from sequential to mile-based exit numbers a bunch of years ago, it was met with a collective ho-hum statewide.  So in a big way, imho, the average Indiana traveler couldn't care less about exit numbers. -Jim

While I agree that this is true, when I frequent the I-69 corridor, I usually do call Exit 5 as Exit 5, since SR 37/116th Street isn't as quick for me to say. Likewise, Exit 10 is usually just Exit 10, that and saying Campus Parkway/Southeastern Parkway is a mouthful, or SR 238 for those who don't keep track of the latest highway decommissionings. Then again, I will get off at the 82nd Street exit or the 96th Street exit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmeck on July 18, 2012, 03:52:29 AM
Good heavens. Are people really that stupid? Post a "former exit number" sign on the new exit number and be done with it. Is there really a compelling argument for the 200 mile idea? It has worked in other states, why not Indiana? Geez.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 18, 2012, 06:41:53 AM
I assume the compelling argument is that it simplifies things albeit at the expense of accuracy. Exit 112 become exit 312 so maybe INDOT can change only one digit on every highway sign. Additionally, people reading commercial signs, publications, or web pages that haven't been updated would more likely be able to figure things out. I really can't think of any other reason. That said, I don't like the idea.

I am not sure about the "other states" comment. Other states have gone from sequential exit numbers to mileage-based exit numbers. How many times have Interstates been extended south or west like this thereby requiring numbering changes? I can only think of I-26 in NC. What does make this different than other situations is that there will be a gap in the middle where I-69 mileage will not be used for exit numbers no matter what.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: mukade on July 17, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Either way, mileage-based means just that. If I am 184 miles away from the Ohio River, I would prefer to know that. Once you change it to a "close enough for Government work" based system you lose that little convenience.

I agree.  I'm always using mile markers to know how much distance I have to go and from that estimate how much time it will take me.  Everybody heading south down I-69 is going to get to Evansville about 15 minutes later than they were expecting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on July 18, 2012, 06:07:10 PM
Why don't they just take out their 9/16 socket and unbolt 2 nuts and replace the signs? Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on July 18, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: mukade on July 17, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Either way, mileage-based means just that. If I am 184 miles away from the Ohio River, I would prefer to know that. Once you change it to a "close enough for Government work" based system you lose that little convenience.

I agree.  I'm always using mile markers to know how much distance I have to go and from that estimate how much time it will take me.  Everybody heading south down I-69 is going to get to Evansville about 15 minutes later than they were expecting.

Actually, they will get there 15 minutes earlier, because the 16 miles don't exist and won't be traveled.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on July 18, 2012, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: mukade on July 17, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Either way, mileage-based means just that. If I am 184 miles away from the Ohio River, I would prefer to know that. Once you change it to a "close enough for Government work" based system you lose that little convenience.

I agree.  I'm always using mile markers to know how much distance I have to go and from that estimate how much time it will take me.  Everybody heading south down I-69 is going to get to Evansville about 15 minutes later than they were expecting.
a) Sooner, not later
b) 99.5% of people aren't going to notice/care if Exit 200 is actually 184 miles from the border. Also, most people from NE of Indy aren't continuing SW of Indy on 69, no matter what CANAMEX proponents would have you believe. Finally, this isn't about the ease of converting exit numbers, since many are button copy anyway, but rather the ease of converting people who have had these exit numbers for decades. It's not like sequential to mile based, where there's no way to do it cleanly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on July 18, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 17, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
I agree, they can interpret them - until they are no longer accurate on I-69. Then none of us will be able to unless we remember to subtract 16.

As for the Toll Road, I think that renumbereing happened a few years after the rest of the freeway exits were numbered.

Speaking of mileage-based exit numbers, who remembers these?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI94-Millburg-Coloma-2.JPG&hash=bf66f0235960dbb7ed083a77e89aca721e7fbf2c)

Michigan's first numbered exits- late 1960s, with the green tabs not appearing until sign replacement time. I lived just south of exit 190 back then.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 18, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
Yeah, exactly. I was disappointed when the green tabs came along.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 18, 2012, 07:29:34 PM
INDOT: I-69 extension should open by year's end (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2012/07/18/statenews.indot--i-69-extension-should-open-by-year-s-end.sto) (Bloomington Herald Times/associated Press)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on July 19, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
I agree.  I'm always using mile markers to know how much distance I have to go and from that estimate how much time it will take me.  Everybody heading south down I-69 is going to get to Evansville about 15 minutes later than they were expecting.

Wouldn't it be sooner, not later, since the actual distance would be less, not more?

The traffic close to Indy and on the 465 overlap may frequently be bad enough that any time that one "gains" by there being 16 miles less might be lost in slow traffic. 

200 vs. 184 wouldn't be the end of the world.  Heck, remember when what is now I-865 was signed as I-465 miles 900.0 to 905.0?  :P
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 19, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 19, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
200 vs. 184 wouldn't be the end of the world.  Heck, remember when what is now I-865 was signed as I-465 miles 900.0 to 905.0?  :P

Maybe there is doubt on the final route through Indy. Back around 2005, some state representative in Perry Twp. (south side of Indy)  tried to introduce a law barring I-69 from there. I don't remember if that passed or not, but I guess there is a chance they don't know 100% where it will go around Indy. In that case, picking some number over 184 starting at current mile 0 in Indy would make a certain amount of sense.

If I-69 would have to avoid Perry Twp., it could intersect I-465 near SR 67 or even with I-70 west of there near the airport.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 19, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
So, perhaps another renumbering may be in order once the entire route of I-69 (including the bridge) will be in order to make certain that the numbering is accurate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2012, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 19, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
I agree.  I'm always using mile markers to know how much distance I have to go and from that estimate how much time it will take me.  Everybody heading south down I-69 is going to get to Evansville about 15 minutes later than they were expecting.
Wouldn't it be sooner, not later, since the actual distance would be less, not more?

Yes it would, that's what I get for posting before having my morning caffeine.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 23, 2012, 08:17:23 AM
The South Gibson Star-Times and Petersburg Press-Dispatch have posted a video tour of part of the new I-69 in SW IN.  I'm told we'll be driving on it before 2012 ends, but they've got a fair bit of work to do to get us there.

http://youtu.be/BwHeW0r5JqE
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on July 23, 2012, 11:05:20 AM
I see new cast bridge beams constantly on I-64. At least 10-15 a week. They are putting them out quickly at the casting plant. I think they are for I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on July 23, 2012, 12:12:07 PM
<<< INDOT: I-69 extension should open by year's end (Bloomington Herald Times/associated Press) >>>

Is this the whole 70 miles between Evansville and Crane?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 23, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on July 23, 2012, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 23, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
Yes.

Oh my ... the radical environmentalist/transit groups in Indiana will be having conniption fits !
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 23, 2012, 10:01:14 PM
They are having more fits about the US 231 to SR 37 (i.e. Crane to Bloomington) section that is also under construction. They really thought that would never happen... ever.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on July 23, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 23, 2012, 10:01:14 PM
They are having more fits about the US 231 to SR 37 (i.e. Crane to Bloomington) section that is also under construction. They really thought that would never happen... ever.

When will the section between Bloomington and Indianapolis be under construction?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 24, 2012, 05:12:00 AM
Probably 2015 for Bloomington to Martinsville and 2018 to 2020 for Martinsville north, but that is a guess.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on July 24, 2012, 09:38:47 AM
I can see this timeline as both candidates for Governor are committed to it. 
Quote from: mukade on July 24, 2012, 05:12:00 AM
Probably 2015 for Bloomington to Martinsville and 2018 to 2020 for Martinsville north, but that is a guess.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 24, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Assuming a funding source can be found, it's not like we have another toll road to give away. I'm hopeful that stretch will be completed in a short amount of time, but 2015 seems a tad too soon given that they haven't even formalized the location and types of interchanges along that stretch. I can see the Bloomington stretch of SR 37 being done quicker though. Still, 2015 and 2018 to 2020 would be nice timelines.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 07:08:04 AM
I have the same concerns on funding, but 2015 was a date that actually came from INDOT in an article that I believe is listed somewhere in this thread. I have no idea if that statement was thought through well. The next section (section 5) should cost around $250M to $300M which is probably affordable given that much of the funding would be from Federal funds. The final section to Indy will be expensive - especially the I-465 interchange.

Speaking of which the NE side I-69/I-465 rebuild is back on the INDOT web site.

I suppose Indiana could raise gas tax a few pennies or be creative with the gasoline sales tax to increase funding. While tax increases would be a hard sell, a gas tax could be sold as a fee, and the road improvements that came with Major Moves have proved to be popular.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 25, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
OK, INDOT has made it official:  From I-465 north to the MI state line, add 200 to the exit numbers on I-69.  There will be signs with the old and new numbers until at least 2015; the old numbers will all be removed by 2017.  http://www.buildi69.com/?p=1685

By my math, that'll make the final Indiana exit #357 (Indiana 120).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Actually exit 357 is Lake George Rd., not SR 120.

Coincidentally (or not), the highest exit number in Illinois is exit 357 on I-57.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
With a picture included:

I-69 exits to get higher numbers (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120725/LOCAL/120729742) (from Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 25, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Actually exit 357 is Lake George Rd., not SR 120.

Coincidentally (or not), the highest exit number in Illinois is exit 357 on I-57.

Well, crap ... I knew that ... sorry for the goof on my part.  I do that from time to time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
Yikes, the numbers on the image appear to all be in Clearview - even on the highway markers. I assume that is a mistake on the part of the graphic artist.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
More I-69 news...

From Evansville Courier & Press today: "A federal judge has ruled against opponents of the $3 billion Interstate 69 extension between Indianapolis and Evansville who claimed that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers violated federal law by giving Indiana permission to fill wetlands and reroute streams along part of the 142-mile roadway..."

UPDATE: Environmental groups lose in bid to stop I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jul/25/environmental-groups-lose-bid-stop-i-69/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on July 25, 2012, 08:18:24 PM
Can I make a speculation here:  What is the chance InDot knows something along the lines of:  There will be an eventual outer belt, most likely partial of Indy for I-69, that just happens to be close to the additional 16 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 25, 2012, 08:35:25 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
Yikes, the numbers on the image appear to all be in Clearview - even on the highway markers. I assume that is a mistake on the part of the graphic artist.

I'm pretty sure that's just a drawing the J-G put together for the article based on the info from INDOT.  As far as I know, INDOT hasn't used Clearview anywhere ... yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 25, 2012, 08:49:37 PM
There are two that I know of...but don't worry, they are likely not from INDOT. The first is on the Indiana Toll Road and that is no longer a INDOT-maintained highway, for now. The second I saw was on US 50 west at the Red Skeleton Bridge with a sign that read the bridge's name along with Wabash River. However, this is clearly an Illinois sign and not INDOT, but is on the Indiana side of the river. Just FYI.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 25, 2012, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 25, 2012, 08:49:37 PM
There are two that I know of...but don't worry, they are likely not from INDOT. The first is on the Indiana Toll Road and that is no longer a INDOT-maintained highway, for now. The second I saw was on US 50 west at the Red Skeleton Bridge with a sign that read the bridge's name along with Wabash River. However, this is clearly an Illinois sign and not INDOT, but is on the Indiana side of the river. Just FYI.

Yeah, Illinois posted the signs at the Wabash, I knew that ... kind of the way Kentucky did the ones on both sides of the Natcher Bridge over the Ohio on 231.  Kentucky recently replaced the 1-mile BGS for Indiana 66 south of the bridge and it's Clearview, but just says "Tell City-Rockport-Evansville" with NO mention of 66 at all.  (Reminds me, I need to get a pic of that soon.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
FWIW... I took the pic in 2011, but forgot it was missing the SR 66 marker.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FUS231_SR66_Ky.jpg&hash=937598ffcb1425a582bf3dd73160f81ddabab5b4)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 25, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
Yep, I remember that sign too. BTW, where did you see that the 465/69 interchange project is back on. I've been to the project's website (currently focused on the Allisonville Road bridge primarly) and didn't see anything that showed when they were going to do this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 25, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 25, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
Yep, I remember that sign too. BTW, where did you see that the 465/69 interchange project is back on. I've been to the project's website (currently focused on the Allisonville Road bridge primarly) and didn't see anything that showed when they were going to do this.

I-465/I-69 and 82nd Street interchanges (http://www.465-69northeast.in.gov/I69I46582nd.html) from INDOT (465-69 Northeast project)
Title: Indiana I-69 re-numbering
Post by: roadman on July 26, 2012, 02:14:31 PM
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120726/LOCAL/307269984/1002/LOCAL

Gotta love the DOT's logic here.  "We think that putting up exit numbers that match the exact milepoint would be too confusing for people, so we'll put up a set of numbers that conform neither to the nearest mile marker or GPS units."

Just another example of the ongoing dumbing-down of America.
Title: Re: Indiana I-69 re-numbering
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 26, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
It sounds more like the dumbing-down of INDOT and not America.... 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 26, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
FWIW... I took the pic in 2011, but forgot it was missing the SR 66 marker.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FUS231_SR66_Ky.jpg&hash=937598ffcb1425a582bf3dd73160f81ddabab5b4)

Thanks. You're good! :-)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 26, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Actually exit 357 is Lake George Rd., not SR 120.

Coincidentally (or not), the highest exit number in Illinois is exit 357 on I-57.



Of course, Interstate 57 in Illinois, actually is 357 miles long. Sorry, I was trying to make a quick jab at INDOT for their lack of logic. Maybe if they routed I-69 along the eastern leg of I-465 AND the northern leg back around to Exit 21 (I-65) and then south on I-65 to downtown and then east on I-70 back to I-465 and then north to Exit 37 to rejoin I-69, at which point the interstate will likely then be at 200 miles. Please don't take any of this seriously though, I'm just coming up with one stupid idea to go along with another, and yes I-69 would be multiplexed with itself for a few miles, along with I-465.

Sad that it is being done this way, but I'll just have to get used to it that way and hold out that that numbers may be reset once again when the bridge over the Ohio River gets completed and forces the rest of the new alignment to change as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on July 26, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
The +200 thing isn't the end of the world.  Given that the renumbering will take a few months, with old and new numbers appearing on different sides of the road and with mileposts and BGS not necessarily getting changed at the same time, with GPS and paper maps not necessarily updating for some time, just saying "add 200 to the old number" is a simple way to ease confusion and let motorists spend less time figuring new exit numbers and more time paying attention to the road, especially during the changeover. 

Not all that many people are probably going to be going from the new construction I-69 through the existing I-69 for long distances, regardless of what the Canamex crowd says.

None of the +200 thing would be possible were it not for the overlap with 465.  With congestion on and near 465 and the 55 speed limit, travel times on the overlap are going to make it so that timewise the travel from mile marker 75 to mile marker 275 will probably take close to the time one would expect the first time through if one had never been there before and didn't know about the 16-mile difference.  It's not the end of the world or a sign of dimwittedness--it's a convenience matter.  The worst that happens to anyone is that they arrive sooner or drive less distance than they expected--not later or longer.

Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
Yikes, the numbers on the image appear to all be in Clearview - even on the highway markers. I assume that is a mistake on the part of the graphic artist.

They may even be Arial--the numeral 1 looks Arial at least.  They weren't probably going for pattern accuracy in the cartoon, although being "courtesy INDOT", it's too bad it wasn't a little better looking.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ljwestmcsd on July 26, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
I-64 is off about a mile in Lexington, KY, but it's hidden by the I-75 multiplex, so there is a precedence for this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on July 27, 2012, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 26, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Actually exit 357 is Lake George Rd., not SR 120.

Coincidentally (or not), the highest exit number in Illinois is exit 357 on I-57.



Of course, Interstate 57 in Illinois, actually is 357 miles long. Sorry, I was trying to make a quick jab at INDOT for their lack of logic. Maybe if they routed I-69 along the eastern leg of I-465 AND the northern leg back around to Exit 21 (I-65) and then south on I-65 to downtown and then east on I-70 back to I-465 and then north to Exit 37 to rejoin I-69, at which point the interstate will likely then be at 200 miles. Please don't take any of this seriously though, I'm just coming up with one stupid idea to go along with another, and yes I-69 would be multiplexed with itself for a few miles, along with I-465.

Sad that it is being done this way, but I'll just have to get used to it that way and hold out that that numbers may be reset once again when the bridge over the Ohio River gets completed and forces the rest of the new alignment to change as well.
Does the current 16 mile gap not include the current I-164 mileage?  If it doesn't, then INDOT might have no plans to renumber I-69 ever again and be putting the 0 point at the location of the proposed Ohio River bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 27, 2012, 01:06:58 PM
The 184 miles, I believe, includes everything from I-164's Exit 0 at US 41, north along the new alignment to Bloomington, where it will be Exit 114, and then a roughly 50-mile stretch up SR 37 to I-465 (somewhere in the 160s I think) and then the remainding distance around I-465 to the current southern end of I-69. The new bridge over the Ohio River to the east of US 41 will change the mileage a little, but only by a few miles, not 16. To me, it says something when INDOT had to ask AASHTO (I think) to do the renumbering like the way they are doing it twice. Apparently, the first time AASHTO must have thought, this is stupid.

In the grand scheme of things, yeah, this won't matter too much and I'll get over it, I like logic though so that's where I'm coming from. When I look at how long the highways are across various states, I look for the last exit before the highway crosses into a new state. When I see the last exit on I-75 in Florida is 476 (give or take a few) then I know that the entire highway across Florida is that long. When I see that the last exit on I-69 is 357, you have to be a roadgeek who is into this sort of thing to realize that the real distance is off a bit and is not truly 357 miles long. So, for the sake of convenience, we throw out truth and logic, and that is all I will say on the matter. It is what it is, my life will go on and I won't complain about this anymore.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 27, 2012, 06:05:31 PM
I do not believe it starts at I-164 exit 0. Instead, it would start at the Ohio River where Kentucky and Indiana agreed the new bridge will be. That is a mile or two different so I assume all I-164 exit numbers will also have to change. As evidence, note that the I-69 exit 22 at SR 68 was changed so that sign now has no exit number. Exit 22 was an extension of the I-164 exit numbering system.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 27, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Using Google Earth's handy-dandy little path ruler, it's ~17.5 miles from the Ohio River up I-164 and I-69 (the last little bit o' the way) to SR 68/57.  That's if the bridge goes in going due south (or close) from current I-164's Exit 5 (SR 662/Covert Ave.), so long term (very long term, most likely), the 68/57 exit will be either #17 or 18.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 27, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
I don't remember exactly where the new bridge is supposed to be, but I think it is near, but west of where the Green River joins the Ohio River. So I think I-69 would turn south a little west of the Green River Rd. interchange on current I-164.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 27, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 27, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
I don't remember exactly where the new bridge is supposed to be, but I think it is near, but west of where the Green River joins the Ohio River. So I think I-69 would turn south a little west of the Green River Rd. interchange on current I-164.

That may be closer to correct than what I was thinking.  At most, though, it would add 1 or perhaps 2 miles to my earlier post.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Duke87 on July 29, 2012, 06:03:29 PM
So, I'm assuming that INDOT intends to start the mile markers from 0 for the new portion and use 465 to hide the jump, rather than counting down and starting at 16, correct?

I get why they're doing this, but I can't help but feel like it's a short term benefit at the expense of long term detriment. Adding 200 will help people handle the changing numbers better, yes, but 20 years from now when the change is history, the inconsistency in mileage is going to cause nothing but headaches.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 29, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on July 29, 2012, 06:03:29 PM
So, I'm assuming that INDOT intends to start the mile markers from 0 for the new portion and use 465 to hide the jump, rather than counting down and starting at 16, correct?

I get why they're doing this, but I can't help but feel like it's a short term benefit at the expense of long term detriment. Adding 200 will help people handle the changing numbers better, yes, but 20 years from now when the change is history, the inconsistency in mileage is going to cause nothing but headaches.

I think it is fair to say not too many people liked the +200 miles over the +184 miles.

After thinking about it, I think it has some merit. It definitely has a short term benefit, as stated, but it also offers more than that. The final route is assumed to be up SR 37 (exit 114) from Clear Creek until about a mile south of I-465. From there, a new terrain route will connect to I-465. That section would be 49 miles. I-69 would then join I-465 and head east and north (i.e. the east leg) for 16 miles so the current I-69 exit would be at mile marker 184.

Because the final route has not received any approvals, it could end up veering north from Martinsville to I-70. That is not extremely likely, but it is possible, and who knows how many miles that would add. A more likely possibility is that INDOT could route I-69 west, north, then east on I-465 (i.e. use the west leg). That would add 11 miles to the current assumed route, and make the current I-69 exit at mile 195 - or 5 miles off from the 200. The west leg is wider than the east leg, and it goes by the airport.

Because of the certain level of doubt on the routing, the 16 mile slop is probably not a bad idea.

On the new southern section, the first interchange will probably be exit 2 or exit 3 at current I-164 and the way I understand it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 29, 2012, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
FWIW... I took the pic in 2011, but forgot it was missing the SR 66 marker.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FUS231_SR66_Ky.jpg&hash=937598ffcb1425a582bf3dd73160f81ddabab5b4)

I don't recall there ever being a full guide sign for IN 66 on the Kentucky side of the river.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 29, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 29, 2012, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
FWIW... I took the pic in 2011, but forgot it was missing the SR 66 marker.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FUS231_SR66_Ky.jpg&hash=937598ffcb1425a582bf3dd73160f81ddabab5b4)

I don't recall there ever being a full guide sign for IN 66 on the Kentucky side of the river.

There sure was ... and I think it was INDOT who put it there.  KYTC did the "Ohio River - William H. Natcher Bridge" signs at the ends of the bridge, and INDOT posted the original northbound BGS with the IN 66 shield.  However, at some point in either 2010 or '11, that BGS was knocked down (or blown down in a storm, I'm not sure).  There was just one "naked" post there for a good while before KYTC had this one installed ... minus the IN 66.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: A.J. Bertin on July 30, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 29, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on July 29, 2012, 06:03:29 PM
So, I'm assuming that INDOT intends to start the mile markers from 0 for the new portion and use 465 to hide the jump, rather than counting down and starting at 16, correct?

I get why they're doing this, but I can't help but feel like it's a short term benefit at the expense of long term detriment. Adding 200 will help people handle the changing numbers better, yes, but 20 years from now when the change is history, the inconsistency in mileage is going to cause nothing but headaches.

I think it is fair to say not too many people liked the +200 miles over the +184 miles.

After thinking about it, I think it has some merit. It definitely has a short term benefit, as stated, but it also offers more than that. The final route is assumed to be up SR 37 (exit 114) from Clear Creek until about a mile south of I-465. From there, a new terrain route will connect to I-465. That section would be 49 miles. I-69 would then join I-465 and head east and north (i.e. the east leg) for 16 miles so the current I-69 exit would be at mile marker 184.

Because the final route has not received any approvals, it could end up veering north from Martinsville to I-70. That is not extremely likely, but it is possible, and who knows how many miles that would add. A more likely possibility is that INDOT could route I-69 west, north, then east on I-465 (i.e. use the west leg). That would add 11 miles to the current assumed route, and make the current I-69 exit at mile 195 - or 5 miles off from the 200. The west leg is wider than the east leg, and it goes by the airport.

Because of the certain level of doubt on the routing, the 16 mile slop is probably not a bad idea.

On the new southern section, the first interchange will probably be exit 2 or exit 3 at current I-164 and the way I understand it.

I don't understand why it's necessary to change the existing I-69 exit numbers now. Maybe I missed something, but why don't they just wait until they know the exact routing of the highway before they mess around with changing exit numbers?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rawmustard on July 30, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 30, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
I don't understand why it's necessary to change the existing I-69 exit numbers now. Maybe I missed something, but why don't they just wait until they know the exact routing of the highway before they mess around with changing exit numbers?

I think they have to do it because a significant portion will be opening this year. INDOT can't have duplicate reference markers for the same route. I'm sure INDOT waited as long as they could.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 01, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote
BLOOMINGTON, Ind. — More I-69 construction is set to begin in Monroe and Greene counties as the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) has awarded a $90 million contract to Gohmann Asphalt & Construction of Clarksville, Ind...

Third Contract Awarded for I-69 Construction in Section 4 (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=57978&information_id=117001&type=&syndicate=syndicate) (INDOT)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tidecat on August 01, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
Would Indiana be able to reuse the exit tabs for exit numbers less than 200 the way this is being done?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on August 01, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: tidecat on August 01, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
Would Indiana be able to reuse the exit tabs for exit numbers less than 200 the way this is being done?
They would probably just have the signs made new. I don't know if Indiana makes the exit tabs integral to the sign or as separate panels, but even if they're separate, a lot of the ones north of Indy are button copy. It's a relatively small-budget item.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on August 01, 2012, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: tidecat on August 01, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
Would Indiana be able to reuse the exit tabs for exit numbers less than 200 the way this is being done?
Most of the time old exit numbers just get greened over, not replacing the tab.  Plus the numbers might not match; this isn't sequential, after all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 01, 2012, 10:17:23 PM
The articles on the renumbering of the exits seem to imply that there will be new signs themselves, so either a full sign replacement or just a tab replacement will be needed. I thought that the tabs were seperate from the signs, but I'm not positive, I need to look closer at one. If that is the case, I could see the tabs being the only thing replaced, especially on the signs in the Fort Wayne area that are still relatively new. As for the button-copy signs (which exist almostly solely along I-69 in Madison and Delaware Counties) I wouldn't be surprised at all if those were completely replaced (it is probably only a matter of time for those to be replaced anyway. My other question would be: what about the services signs, each with the exit numbers on them. Do all of those have to be replaced, or is there a "blueout" for them. I'm probably just thinking too much into some of this. I'm going up to Michigan for a vacation next week, but I'm sure it's probably a bit too early to see any replacements yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 01, 2012, 10:25:05 PM
As long as we're guessing, I will chime in. I predict that some tabs will be replaced, but some will have the numbers on them replaced - especially the ones over exit 100. First, INDOT will be doing the work so it is doubtful that entire signs will be replaced.

As for seperate tabs vs. integrated ones, I think it is a mixture. Look at Highway Explorer I-69 page (http://highwayexplorer.com/EndsPage.php?id=3069&section=1).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 02, 2012, 06:53:45 AM
I guess they started the renumbering yesterday. The following articles have pictures of exit 356 and 357.

Crews start renumbering exits on I-69 (http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/indiana/crews-start-renumbering-exits-on-i-69) (WANE)
Re-Numbering Of I-69 Begins (http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/gallery/Re-Numbering-Of-I-69-Begins-164640106.html) (INC)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 02, 2012, 07:17:50 AM
Looks like they just replaced the tabs, although the signs there at Exit "356" aren't too old, so that shouldn't be much of an issue anyway. I'm not sure if I'm digging those "Old Exit XX" signs on that sign gantry though. I guess I will see some new exit sigange on my way up north in a week afterall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on August 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
By looking at the pictures in the article, it looks like they are just changing the 1's to 3's--assuming it is demountable numbers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on August 02, 2012, 08:04:42 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if they have a preprinted green out to place over the old number. Button copy signs only have to have the numbers popped off before slapping on the greenout/number decal...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 02, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
By looking at the pictures in the article, it looks like they are just changing the 1's to 3's--assuming it is demountable numbers.

I think they do usually use demountable numbers. Occasionally, you see them squeeze new text on signs by moving the text on the bottom down. The I-74/SR 63 eastbound exit is an example of that. The best example is I-69 / SR 68 where "EXIT 22" tab became "EXIT   ".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 02, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
By looking at the pictures in the article, it looks like they are just changing the 1's to 3's--assuming it is demountable numbers.

Comparing old picture with new, it seems the tab on exit 357 was replaced.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FExit357.jpg&hash=33cbe3571e6677b3c70a45e3a0dfd91d887da00f)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ssummers72 on August 02, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
INDOT specs out demountable copy for all overhead signs.

Stephen
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on August 02, 2012, 09:31:56 PM
It's too bad that the new tabs pictured have full borders as if they were separate signs, instead of the old tabs which lacked a bottom white border since it shared that with the main signs, which had squared upper right corners so as to meet the exit tabs.  Guess in a bulk replacement they aren't going to bother with detail like that.

For the blue signs, it would sure be nice if they had a barrel of spare button copy to replace/add new digits.  It can be done--I've seen INDOT do it a couple times before (a distance sign on I-65 listing distance to "I-465 East" was changed to "865" with a button copy numeral 8, and a blue sign north of Indy on 65 got button copy numerals on an otherwise reflective sign.  ODOT has even done button copy addition in the last two years, adding the letter B to some blue service signs (https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/309047_10100799507198098_1333265473_n.jpg) at Exit 209 when it was split into an A-B.  They added reflective Bs to reflective-lettered logo signs, and button copy Bs to button copy ones....what attention to detail! I was shocked to see the button copy letter added--I believe it was in 2010, but no earlier that 2009 that it happened.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on August 02, 2012, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 02, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
By looking at the pictures in the article, it looks like they are just changing the 1's to 3's--assuming it is demountable numbers.

Comparing old picture with new, it seems the tab on exit 357 was replaced.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FExit357.jpg&hash=33cbe3571e6677b3c70a45e3a0dfd91d887da00f)
Looks the same to me. The top photo seems to have a dead windshield bug over the 57.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 02, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 02, 2012, 09:55:04 PM
Looks the same to me. The top photo seems to have a dead windshield bug over the 57.

I was taking a picture of the bug, but just happened to be going by that sign.

Anyway, the 356 and 357 have a full border while the 156 and 157 don't have a bottom border. The new numbers also don't look as tall to me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on August 02, 2012, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 02, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 02, 2012, 09:55:04 PM
Looks the same to me. The top photo seems to have a dead windshield bug over the 57.

I was taking a picture of the bug, but just happened to be going by that sign.

Anyway, the 356 and 357 have a full border while the 156 and 157 don't have a bottom border. The new numbers also don't look as tall to me.
Sharp eye. On the other hand, the 3 looks haphazardly placed vertically and horizontally.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 03, 2012, 07:39:47 AM
This headline documented in the Bloomington newspaper introduces us to a matter of utmost concern:

Quote
"If they elevate the highway, there's a good chance people will drive by and see some nudists..."

I am not sure why INDOT would elevate the highway through a rural area where a nudist camp is .25 miles away, but IF they did...


I-69 route worries nudist campers in Monroe County (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2012/08/03/news.i-69-route-worries-nudist-campers.sto) (Bloomington Herald Times)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on August 03, 2012, 11:13:35 AM
Quote from: mukade on August 03, 2012, 07:39:47 AM
This headline documented in the Bloomington newspaper introduces us to a matter of utmost concern:

Quote
"If they elevate the highway, there's a good chance people will drive by and see some nudists..."

I am not sure why INDOT would elevate the highway through a rural area where a nudist camp is .25 miles away, but IF they did...


I-69 route worries nudist campers in Monroe County (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2012/08/03/news.i-69-route-worries-nudist-campers.sto) (Bloomington Herald Times)

That article serves as a great advertisement for that particular resort.  And while highway noise may slightly spoil the tranquility, I don't think it will be as bad as imagined.  Gawkers shouldn't be a problem at all, though some of the resorts hiking trails might seem less private...  Actually, the new highway might help attract more customers.  If I lived in central or southern Indiana I'd be looking forward to easier access to what sounds like a very nice place to camp nude.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 03, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
I'm going to leave this thought at this, but there is something about that headline....

:meh:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on August 03, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Louisville has gotten a rise out of this road problem also.

http://www.courier-journal.com/viewart/20120803/NEWS01/308030061/Nudist-campers-worry-Interstate-69-will-ruin-their-solitude
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 03, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
I think it is Roselawn in Northwest Indiana that has one, if not several nudist camps, and that town is right next to Interstate 65. All seems to be well up there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on August 03, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 02, 2012, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 02, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
By looking at the pictures in the article, it looks like they are just changing the 1's to 3's--assuming it is demountable numbers.

Comparing old picture with new, it seems the tab on exit 357 was replaced.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FExit357.jpg&hash=33cbe3571e6677b3c70a45e3a0dfd91d887da00f)
Looks the same to me. The top photo seems to have a dead windshield bug over the 57.
Looking at the comparison photos, yes the exit tabs do look replaced.  They seem to look smaller or more compressed, possibly due to full border around the exit tab itself.  The 3's look a little haphazardly put on though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 06, 2012, 05:44:58 PM
Indot didnt go with that terrible idea of putting a diamond interchange at sr 37 did they?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 07, 2012, 11:42:38 AM
To answer your question, I'm not sure. I think they are still debating whether or not to do the diamond or the trumpet interchange, though my money is that it will remain a trumpet.

Anyways, on the renumbering front, the conversion of exit numbers in Indianapolis has begun. I took a field trip north on I-69 from Exit 200 up to Exit 203 (I-465 to 96th Street for those playing at home) and saw that on the northbound exits have already had their signs replaced and from my own observations, they are new tabs entirely. The signs themselves were not changed, but since that stretch of highway will be widened as part of the Operation Indy Commute project that won't matter.

The services signs still have the old exit numbers and southbound I-69 from Exit 203 back to 200 haven't been changed yet. In addition, I saw crews in the inside shoulder of I-69 replacing mile markers with several packaged up on the truck (I have never seen them put these things up before so it looked cool.) In any case, I will be heading up to Michigan Thursday night so I'll get to see a full scope as to how this is going on, but word is the signs are being replaced in the Fort Wayne area right now. I'll know more this weekend on how that's going.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 07, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 03, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
I'm going to leave this thought at this, but there is something about that headline....

:meh:

Mike

Another thought...

...How long before someone tries to organize a nude roadgeek meet?

:-o

:-P

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 07, 2012, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 07, 2012, 11:47:34 AM

...How long before someone tries to organize a nude roadgeek meet?


what's wrong with that?

it wouldn't be my cup of tea but, given the "unusual interests" thread found elsewhere on this forum, I think it might have enough interest to make it happen.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on August 07, 2012, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 07, 2012, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 07, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
...How long before someone tries to organize a nude roadgeek meet?
what's wrong with that?

Because for most of us this line from Ian Fleming's first James Bond book, Casino Royale, would apply (Bond is referring to another character):
     "Naked, Bond supposed, he would be an obscene object."    :-D



[Edited for clarity 2110 EDT, 8 Aug 12.]
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 07, 2012, 04:09:19 PM
So i-69 is now the longest interstate in indiana? (When it's complete )
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 07, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
It will be. Granted it won't be 357 miles long as the exit numbers imply, but it will still be the longest by about 80 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on August 07, 2012, 07:11:31 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 07, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 03, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
I'm going to leave this thought at this, but there is something about that headline....

:meh:

Mike

Another thought...

...How long before someone tries to organize a nude roadgeek meet?

:-o

:-P

Mike
It all goes fine until you get to the first stop...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 07, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
They are down to Fort Wayne already...

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FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) - INDOT crews have started changing exit sign numbers along I-69 though Fort Wayne.

Early in the morning on Tuesday, a slow changeover began taking place on I-69 in Fort Wayne. Road crews started changing exit sign numbers in the southbound lanes of the interstate, at the first exit to Fort Wayne, Dupont Road. That exit, formerly exit 116, is now exit 316.

Crews change I-69 exit sign numbers (http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/local/crews-change-i-69-exit-sign-numbers) (WANE)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 07, 2012, 11:31:03 PM
wow that happened fast
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on August 08, 2012, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: mukade on August 07, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
They are down to Fort Wayne already...

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FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) - INDOT crews have started changing exit sign numbers along I-69 though Fort Wayne.

Early in the morning on Tuesday, a slow changeover began taking place on I-69 in Fort Wayne. Road crews started changing exit sign numbers in the southbound lanes of the interstate, at the first exit to Fort Wayne, Dupont Road. That exit, formerly exit 116, is now exit 316.

Crews change I-69 exit sign numbers (http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/local/crews-change-i-69-exit-sign-numbers) (WANE)

Some of the comments on that article are very, very amusing.  Number the new road as 569 so as to avoid having to renumber exits?  69 not a valid number in the first place because INDOT should have known all along that the road would eventually include parts west of 65?  Bonkers!!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 08, 2012, 12:23:40 PM
What they could have done is call it i-67 and keep 69 stay from fishers to Michigan
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: adt1982 on August 08, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 08, 2012, 12:23:40 PM
What they could have done is call it i-67 and keep 69 stay from fishers to Michigan

But it would still be in violation since it is west of I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 08, 2012, 04:15:11 PM
Ahh yes you would be correct. Well make it i-61 or 63
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 08, 2012, 07:19:09 PM
In the INDOT monthly contract letting today, it appears that ES Wagner of Ohio will win the contract to build another section of I-69 in Monroe County ($57.5M bid with an engineer's estimate of $61.5M).

My daughter who drove I-69 north to Fort Wayne today said she saw no exit number tab changes as far as she went (to Coldwater Rd.). So apparently, they must be doing the changes southbound.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 08, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
And I saw them going northbound in Indy yesterday, but not southbound. Weird. I'll just have to see them through my rear-view mirror heading up north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on August 08, 2012, 08:50:46 PM
The ship has already sailed on diagonal routes and out-of-grid.  85 is an offender being diagonal, as is 71, and NC I-74 has blown things open with extensions of existing interstates going off-grid.  (We'll leave I-99 out of this for now....just drove to its northern end last week and what silliness having it end at cross streets less than a mile from I-80, especially right now with construction on I-80 that has a STOP sign facing traffic coming from I-99 trying to merge onto 80.)  61 or 63 might as well be saved for future routes so as to not have those be so far out of grid, and actually now Indy will be nice and symmetrical with two pairs (70/74 and 65/69) coming and going, with the proper positions in the grid to the north and west, and violations to the south and east. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 08, 2012, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 26, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 25, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Coincidentally (or not), the highest exit number in Illinois is exit 357 on I-57.

Of course, Interstate 57 in Illinois, actually is 357 miles long. Sorry, I was trying to make a quick jab at INDOT for their lack of logic.

For another thread, I posted this link (http://www.dot.state.il.us/il50/il_interstates.html) from IDOT. If the mileage shown is correct, Illinois actually does the same sort of thing as I-57 is 353 miles long while the highest exit number is 357. I-55 is just under 276 miles, but the highest exit number is 293. I am not sure where it would be hidden - even if they are counting the major concurrencies, it does not add up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 08, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
I think there is something wrong with the IDOT site, because the distance along I-55 (according to Google Maps) from the Popular Street Bridge at the Mississippi River to Lake Shore Drive in Chicago is 293 miles. Also, the distance along I-57 from the Mississippi River near Cairo to I-57's termius with the Dan Ryan (I-94) is 358 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on August 08, 2012, 09:59:47 PM
FHWA's list is also borked, in that the right column includes overlap mileage and the left column double-counts it: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/routefinder/table1.cfm
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 08, 2012, 10:07:00 PM
They probably are not including the I-55 and I-57 concurrencies with I-70 (counting them on I-70). Still, both seem to be a mile or two off. For example, 353 + 6 = 359 and 275.7 + 20 = 296. Not a whole lot, but it looks like mileages are not really an exact science.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: adt1982 on August 09, 2012, 12:11:50 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 08, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
I think there is something wrong with the IDOT site, because the distance along I-55 (according to Google Maps) from the Popular Street Bridge at the Mississippi River to Lake Shore Drive in Chicago is 293 miles. Also, the distance along I-57 from the Mississippi River near Cairo to I-57's termius with the Dan Ryan (I-94) is 358 miles.

Sorry, but there is nothing popular about the Poplar Street Bridge. :ded:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 09, 2012, 08:50:09 AM
If this year's drought has brought any good news with it, it's that the contractors have been able to more than make up for the time they lost last year with the flooding!

Evansville media reported last night/this morning that INDOT now expects to have I-69 from Evansville to Crane done by mid-to-late November if the weather stays with them.  That's about a month earlier than we'd been hearing around here.

Here's the Courier & Press report: http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/aug/08/no-headline---i-69_tour/
WFIE (with video): http://www.14news.com/story/19231994/14-news-takes-tour-of-new-section-of-i-69
WEHT/WTVW (with video): http://tristatehomepage.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=534882
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 09, 2012, 02:13:07 PM
Question : why didn't indot consider using a temporary name for the new stretch of 69 until its one complete route. I see some states do that by calling it future i-xx or sr xx(i know sr 69 isn't possible )
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: english si on August 09, 2012, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 09, 2012, 02:13:07 PM
Question : why didn't indot consider using a temporary name for the new stretch of 69 until its one complete route. I see some states do that by calling it future i-xx or sr xx(i know sr 69 isn't possible )
I-164?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 09, 2012, 04:06:42 PM
That would work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 09, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: adt1982 on August 09, 2012, 12:11:50 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 08, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
I think there is something wrong with the IDOT site, because the distance along I-55 (according to Google Maps) from the Popular Street Bridge at the Mississippi River to Lake Shore Drive in Chicago is 293 miles. Also, the distance along I-57 from the Mississippi River near Cairo to I-57's termius with the Dan Ryan (I-94) is 358 miles.

Sorry, but there is nothing popular about the Poplar Street Bridge. :ded:

Apologies, I forgot that those two aren't spelled the same.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 09, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
Not on the new section of I-69, but at a new interchange being built on I-69 in Indiana:

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Work at Interstate 69 and Union Chapel Road was set back at least two nights because of a beam that fell during construction Wednesday, blocking part of I-69 for more than five hours, the Indiana Department of Transportation said.

I-69 to see another night of closures after accident (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120809/NEWS/120809608/1005)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 09, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 09, 2012, 08:50:09 AM
If this year's drought has brought any good news with it, it's that the contractors have been able to more than make up for the time they lost last year with the flooding!

Evansville media reported last night/this morning that INDOT now expects to have I-69 from Evansville to Crane done by mid-to-late November if the weather stays with them.  That's about a month earlier than we'd been hearing around here.

Here's the Courier & Press report: http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/aug/08/no-headline---i-69_tour/
WFIE (with video): http://www.14news.com/story/19231994/14-news-takes-tour-of-new-section-of-i-69
WEHT/WTVW (with video): http://tristatehomepage.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=534882

Here is another article with a twist.

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Elliott confirmed that INDOT is inviting  communities to plan a potential celebration in mid-October along the interstate, entertaining ideas ranging from festivals to bike rides or camp-outs. Plans for that event are in the preliminary stages.

I-69 will open in November (http://www.tristate-media.com/pdclarion/article_818bb3d4-e1d7-11e1-b455-001a4bcf887a.html)

Another interesting things in that article was that "site prep work included dropping 17 tons of weight from 60 feet, seven times, to compact the soil...". I haven't heard of that technique before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 09, 2012, 10:21:47 PM
what is the last exit that will be open on the new 69 (furthest north) this November?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 09, 2012, 11:08:32 PM
Should be US 231.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 10, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: mukade on August 09, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 09, 2012, 08:50:09 AM
If this year's drought has brought any good news with it, it's that the contractors have been able to more than make up for the time they lost last year with the flooding!

Evansville media reported last night/this morning that INDOT now expects to have I-69 from Evansville to Crane done by mid-to-late November if the weather stays with them.  That's about a month earlier than we'd been hearing around here.

Here's the Courier & Press report: http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/aug/08/no-headline---i-69_tour/
WFIE (with video): http://www.14news.com/story/19231994/14-news-takes-tour-of-new-section-of-i-69
WEHT/WTVW (with video): http://tristatehomepage.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=534882

Here is another article with a twist.

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Elliott confirmed that INDOT is inviting  communities to plan a potential celebration in mid-October along the interstate, entertaining ideas ranging from festivals to bike rides or camp-outs. Plans for that event are in the preliminary stages.

I-69 will open in November (http://www.tristate-media.com/pdclarion/article_818bb3d4-e1d7-11e1-b455-001a4bcf887a.html)

Another interesting things in that article was that "site prep work included dropping 17 tons of weight from 60 feet, seven times, to compact the soil...". I haven't heard of that technique before.

That was a new one on me, too, but it makes sense with all the coal mining that has gone on in those counties (esp. Pike and Gibson!) for the past, oh, 100+ years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 10, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
O ok so you can take 231 to 45 to 37 to 465 to fill in the gap until the rest is finished
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on August 11, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 10, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
O ok so you can take 231 to 45 to 37 to 465 to fill in the gap until the rest is finished

Or US 231 to I 70, to the second encounter with I 465 (eastside), to fill the gap
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on August 11, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
I would pay MONEY if people spelled out. Phuck Tom whatever his last name is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on August 11, 2012, 04:40:06 PM
Fromohio?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 11, 2012, 08:57:04 PM
Renumbered Indy area exit signs:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FIntchg%2FI69--96thSt-3.jpg&hash=c293b33f71047791c6c90b0c60d9f47c12108279)
At 96th Street

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FIntchg%2FI69--SoutheasternPkwy-2.jpg&hash=6acc13f783810a40cf5614667197dd85a83a2e75)
At former SR 238

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FIntchg%2FI69--SR13-2.jpg&hash=80004e1370399ae237fee5ba0ded80fc2f551b0b)
At SR 13

It was mostly signed almost up to SR 38 in Pendleton. There were gaps in the enhanced mile markers, and service signs weren't done yet. Apparently all work so far is in the northbound lanes.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 11, 2012, 09:05:14 PM
nice pics
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 12, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
Saw those too on Thursday night, again up to the Pendleton exit. In Fort Wayne, the southbound signs were changed down to about SR 14, but nothing on the northbound. Interestingly, the milemarkers in the median heading north were old and south were new, and you can tell that the southbound milemarkers were larger in size than the northbound.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 15, 2012, 07:50:21 PM
The Bloomington Herald Times (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/ (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/)), which costs you to read articles online has a headline "INDOT plans weekend of events on I-69 pavement ". I guess the headline says it all. You can read the comments for free and wait until tomorrow for more details.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 16, 2012, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: mukade on August 15, 2012, 07:50:21 PM
The Bloomington Herald Times (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/ (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/)), which costs you to read articles online has a headline "INDOT plans weekend of events on I-69 pavement ". I guess the headline says it all. You can read the comments for free and wait until tomorrow for more details.

The communities along I-69 in Gibson and Pike counties are planning activities for that weekend, including camping, walking and maybe bike riding on the new highway, from what I have heard.  I'm thinking about going!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on August 16, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
Sounds like a excuse to me. Need to make sure they did it right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 16, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on August 16, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
Sounds like a excuse to me. Need to make sure they did it right.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 16, 2012, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on August 16, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
Sounds like a excuse to me. Need to make sure they did it right.

Huh? I'm with Silverback. I have no idea what this post is referring to.

Here (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=235&ArticleID=66171) is a little more info on the activities.

Also there is a video on I-69 from Inside Indiana Business  (http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 16, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
Maybe he is thinking that the people in those counties may use their campers or antique cars to make sure that the highway is sturdy enough to handle vehicles. I know the highway was built a bit...cheap, but the highway still should be fine.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on August 16, 2012, 05:29:31 PM
I think he's saying that it sounds like an excuse for him to visit that area. Not sure about the second sentence though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on August 16, 2012, 05:43:58 PM
^^
Quote from: mukade on August 16, 2012, 05:14:22 PM
Here (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=235&ArticleID=66171) is a little more info on the activities.
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Antique tractors, classic cars, bicyclists, runners, campers and possibly some artists and dancers may take to the pavement as part of festivities previewing the highway's debut.

He may be in a life situation where he will have to make a "stealth" visit outside of the knowledge of a significant other, employer, etc.  If you see a dancer out-of-sync with the others, then you may be observing an undercover roadgeek.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 16, 2012, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 16, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
I know the highway was built a bit...cheap, but the highway still should be fine.

I remember staged pavement was proposed, but as far as I know it was not used as most of I-69 is PCCP. I did hear the right of way was a little narrower, but one of the opponents' big complaints was the loss of woods and farm land. A slightly narrower right of way would be a good thing by that logic.

I think this document (http://www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf) proposed several things that were the source of the belief that corners were being cut, but I do not believe they were all adopted. Also, I am not sure what they would really do to the quality of the highway. Maybe others can comment on that.

From the one completed exit, INDOT installed full lighting at the interchange. Some states rarely install lighting. If corners were really being cut so much, this is something you would not expect to see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 16, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
Interesting, I didn't know if the proposal with the concrete was carried through or not. The ROW component is fine, as long as there is enough for the highway and obviously there is. The only other cutting corners aspect I would have seen is the eliminationg (or postonment) of the two local exits between Petersburg and Washington, and the elimination of a rest area (I think it was north of Washington, and perhaps it is still being built, I just haven't seen anything on it.) On that note, introducing a new question, does anyone have any thoughts about the location of new rest areas once INDOT is in the mood to install them? How about welcome centers, do you see one on I-164 eventually?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on August 16, 2012, 07:17:02 PM
Many of the I-69 "cost saving" proposals were  probably recommendations from "Value Engineering" Studies.  VE is mandatory on a project using federal money that costs over $25,000,000.  Even though Major Moves money payed for all or most of it, I don't doubt that VE was there somewhere in the process.  If Georgia DOT is an indication, state DOT's use it agressively these days, whether required by the Feds or not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 16, 2012, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 16, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
On that note, intoducing a new question, does anyone have any thoughts about the location of new rest areas once INDOT is in the mood to install them? How about welcome centers, do you see one on I-164 eventually?

The only one I saw in the plans that were published at one time was at the postponed northern Daviess County interchange. The rest area would serve both directions. I believe INDOT bought the land for it, but no timeline for construction has been made public.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 16, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I can't make it down there for a while, hopefully the route will be added to google maps by someone (or pictures from someone on here).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 17, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
Now that a milestone is looming with the opening of 65 more miles and most of section 4 between Crane and Bloomington is under construction, here are three classic articles that I bookmarked along the journey - there are probably hundreds of articles still online that document the whole story. The first of my three was written before funding had been identified in 2005, and is pretty funny in hindsight, but the skepticism was understandable.

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The mayor of Evansville says he questions Governor Mitch Daniels' commitment to construction of the I-69 highway extension linking his city with Indianapolis.

Evansville Mayor Skeptical About I-69 Construction (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/evansville-mayor-skeptical-i69-construction-2080/) (Indiana Public Media, July 1, 2005)

The second is an example of how the anti-I-69 group, CARR, is used for "analysis".

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Detailed design studies, which include estimates for construction, engineering, design and land acquisitions for the stretch from Evansville to Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center, project a cost of $986 million to $1.2 billion.

That's as much as $500 million more than the state has budgeted.

"That $700 million: There's no way that gets them to Crane. No way," said Thomas Tokarski, president of Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads, a leading I-69 opposition group. "They're going to run out of money."

For the record, it actually ended up costing around $600 million and the $100M savings were applied to the construction of section 4. You wonder where these people come up with their information.

I-69 project: Can state finish what it started? (http://www.indystar.com/article/20090817/LOCAL/908170339/I-69-project-Can-state-finish-what-started-) (Indy Star, August 17, 2009)

Finally, an editorial in Evansville when the schedule for construction of the Crane to Bloomington section was unexpectedly bumped up by more six years.

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Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels came to Southwestern Indiana on Wednesday to make a stunning announcement: If the Midwestern construction climate remains as is, motorists may be driving to Bloomington on Interstate 69 by 2014.

Imagine that. A project that took more than 50 years to see dirt turned may stretch from Evansville to Bloomington in six years time. Before Wednesday, the expectation had been that the Crane to Bloomington work would not even take place until sometime between 2016 and 2020.

EDITORIAL: On to Bloomington: A truly stunning development on I-69 (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=66&ArticleID=54433&TM=59233.67) (Evansville Courier and Press, May 24, 2010)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on August 17, 2012, 12:04:21 PM
Road trip to check the quality of construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 20, 2012, 07:17:30 PM
A few more details on  the I-69 pre-opening shindig.

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...Officials in Vanderburgh, Gibson, Pike, Daviess, and Greene counties have been contacted to participate in what she called a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

INDOT planning day of activities along new stretch of I-69 (http://www.gcdailyworld.com/story/1883785.html) (Greene County Daily World)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 22, 2012, 08:01:56 PM
I-69 articles from today:

EDITORIAL: I-69 communities ready to celebrate (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/aug/22/i-69-communities-ready-to-celebrate/) (Evansville Courier & Press)

INDOT Closing State Road 45 Near Bloomfield (http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2012/08/indot_closing_state_road_45_ne.php) (WBIW)

My wife went north on I-69 to Ft. Wayne yesterday and said the exit number conversion has started in the northbound lanes. I taught her well. Last week, most signs in the southbound lanes down to SR 22/US 35 had been changed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 22, 2012, 08:22:11 PM
A new connector road around state road 45? Wish they put a map of the new roads in the article
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 22, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
The connector road extends SR 445 to I-69. SR 45 gets an interchange further south. All INDOT plans are online.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 22, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 22, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
The connector road extends SR 445 to I-69. SR 45 gets an interchange further south. All INDOT plans are online.

Thanks totally forgot about that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: WrkHrse on August 27, 2012, 08:38:09 PM
This may be a little off topic, but does anyone know what will happen to the current end of SR-37/Harding St. North of Epler Ave.? I am just curious to know what will happen to the 4-lane section between the Harding St. intersection and Epler after the I-69 leg is built to bypass the current SR-37 interchange.

Logic would dictate that since the money was spent to upgrade the road that it would end at Epler, but it would simply be a bypass to the existing Harding st. Plus there is no business access to that short stretch.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 01, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: WrkHrse on August 27, 2012, 08:38:09 PM
This may be a little off topic, but does anyone know what will happen to the current end of SR-37/Harding St. North of Epler Ave.? I am just curious to know what will happen to the 4-lane section between the Harding St. intersection and Epler after the I-69 leg is built to bypass the current SR-37 interchange.

Logic would dictate that since the money was spent to upgrade the road that it would end at Epler, but it would simply be a bypass to the existing Harding st. Plus there is no business access to that short stretch.

I believe they will make harding one continuous street they will connect it with the part that leaves 37 just north of epler.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 02, 2012, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: WrkHrse on August 27, 2012, 08:38:09 PM
This may be a little off topic, but does anyone know what will happen to the current end of SR-37/Harding St. North of Epler Ave.? I am just curious to know what will happen to the 4-lane section between the Harding St. intersection and Epler after the I-69 leg is built to bypass the current SR-37 interchange.

Logic would dictate that since the money was spent to upgrade the road that it would end at Epler, but it would simply be a bypass to the existing Harding st. Plus there is no business access to that short stretch.

Plans are not final, but if I remember correctly, preliminary pans that were posted showed it staying as is from Epler to I-465 and north. It would not connect to I-69 near Epler. Remember, section 6 final plans could be totally different.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on September 03, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
Preliminary alternatives from 2005: http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/map_PIM_11I-465-HardingSt.pdf
Harding would go straight through; the southbound lanes of SR 37 would be retained for local access between Harding and Epler.
Title: I-69 Renumbering Nearing Completion
Post by: mukade on September 04, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
From the Fort Wayne perspective at least, the great exit renumbering is approaching completion.

I-69 Renumbering Nearing Completion (http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/I-69-Renumbering-Nearing-Completion-168476026.html) (Indiana News Center)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rawmustard on September 06, 2012, 11:24:15 AM
Quote from: mukade on September 04, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
From the Fort Wayne perspective at least, the great exit renumbering is approaching completion.

I-69 Renumbering Nearing Completion (http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/I-69-Renumbering-Nearing-Completion-168476026.html) (Indiana News Center)
I drove down to Fort Wayne this past Sunday (mainly to check progress on Fort-to-Port and drive the newly opened section) and noticed that just about all the southbound signs were done. The exceptions were the service signs (presumably those are contracted) and the advance signs for Exit 357 which are north of the state line (perhaps those will be gotten once they get all the way north). Even the reference markers for overpasses were updated, since normally those get neglected when a conventional SR is rerouted/turned back/realigned.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 08, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
I think INDOT was jumping the gun with its renumbering scheme on the existing I-69, because wasn't the southward extension supposed to be only 184 miles? If so, the mile markers/exit numbers have gone 16 more than they should really be, although I do realize that this is pending the final plans for the still-unbuilt Bloomington-Indianapolis route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 08, 2012, 01:09:55 PM
It's supposed to be 184 miles, INDOT is aware of that, they just figured that it was easier for people to add 200 than 184. As for the Bloomington to Indianapolis route, most if not all people assume it will be along SR 37 nearly all the way to I-465, unless it gets veered off toward I-70, but there's no actual plans for that right now. INDOT's stance is that conviencence trumps logic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on September 08, 2012, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 08, 2012, 01:09:55 PM
INDOT's stance is that convenience can be the most logical choice.
FTFY.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: digitalphiltv on September 08, 2012, 09:07:12 PM
Slightly off-topic, but http://kunstlercast.com/shows/kunstlercast_141_interstate_69_matt_dellinger.html ... 55 minute audio clip, Matt Dellinger discusses his book "Interstate 69: The Unfinished History of the Last Great American Highway"

How much is left on the Indy to Michigan Renumbering? Are they including the mileposts? I live in Indy, but have not been able to find the time to go over there and look at the local effort.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 09, 2012, 09:46:49 AM
I guess it does make sense to add 200 to the existing numbers; it's easier to remember than if they added 184.

Is there a map of the southern extension as proposed? (down to and including the Ohio River crossing)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on September 09, 2012, 11:39:14 AM
Or you could just brute force memorize them.  It's what people do to remember facts in school, so how hard can it be?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on September 09, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: deanej on September 09, 2012, 11:39:14 AM
Or you could just brute force memorize them.  It's what people do to remember facts in school, so how hard can it be?
That was my least favorite part of school.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on September 11, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Who memorizes exit numbers?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 11, 2012, 12:24:55 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Who memorizes exit numbers?

Seriously, I don't know why INDOT thought people would get confused, most people memorize the road name on the exit, not the number!  Besides, it isn't even hard to get used to the new number if they used 184 instead of 200, do they really think people are that stupid?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on September 11, 2012, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Who memorizes exit numbers?
Emergency responders?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on September 11, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 11, 2012, 12:24:55 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Who memorizes exit numbers?

Seriously, I don't know why INDOT thought people would get confused, most people memorize the road name on the exit, not the number!  Besides, it isn't even hard to get used to the new number if they used 184 instead of 200, do they really think people are that stupid?

There is a lot of stuff out there like mapping software, car GPS systems, travel brochures and books, etc. etc. etc. that requires changing over for audiences way beyond those who live right near the road or use it daily.  Making it easy to convert the old numbers to new ones just makes sense to ease the confusion that will linger for some time.  Reversing the argument, if the name of the road at the exit is so much more important than the number, then why sweat the 200 vs. 184 thing at all?  (Throwing in the fact that the southern few miles aren't set in stone and the 184 is plus or minus a little, why sweat it?  The solution they chose is the easiest for everyone.  Heck, a couple weeks ago passing by at the southern end of 469, I saw that they added a numeral 2, instead of replacing the tab, on at least one sign to give Exit 296A for I-469.  Much easier than changing it to whatever 96+184 comes out to.  :D )
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on September 11, 2012, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Who memorizes exit numbers?
I do, as do people at NYSDOT.  Note that NY is sequential though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 12, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: deanej on September 11, 2012, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Who memorizes exit numbers?
I do, as do people at NYSDOT.  Note that NY is sequential though.
As is every New England state except Maine (which, along with Florida, Georgia and Pennsylvania, dropped the sequential numbering system in 2000 or so).

Quote from: PurdueBill on September 11, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
Much easier than changing it to whatever 96+184 comes out to.  :D )
Which would be 280.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 12, 2012, 06:18:46 PM
For the INDOT letting of September 12, bids were accepted for the second to the last project of I-69 section 4. This is from taylor Ridge Road to Plummers Creek in Greene County - so this starts about four miles east of US 231, I believe. Only two bids were submitted and neither were under the engineer's estimate. I am not familiar with the terrain (I assume it is pretty hilly), but the low bid was around $178M and the high bid was around $237M.

For the August 8 letting, INDOT documents show that E S Wagner Company was awarded the I-69 section 4 contract in Monroe County for around $57.5M. Seven companies submitted bids in that letting. That bid was about $11.5M below the engineer's estimate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 12, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
The renumbering doesn't bother me I just don't see how it would be any different for people driving if the numbers change.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on September 13, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: mukade on September 12, 2012, 06:18:46 PM
For the INDOT letting of September 12, bids were accepted for the second to the last project of I-69 section 4. This is from taylor Ridge Road to Plummers Creek in Greene County - so this starts about four miles east of US 231, I believe. Only two bids were submitted and neither were under the engineer's estimate. I am not familiar with the terrain (I assume it is pretty hilly), but the low bid was around $178M and the high bid was around $237M.

For the August 8 letting, INDOT documents show that E S Wagner Company was awarded the I-69 section 4 contract in Monroe County for around $57.5M. Seven companies submitted bids in that letting. That bid was about $11.5M below the engineer's estimate.

It's definitely hilly.  I expect we'll see a lot of earth moving and soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 13, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
I had to make an impromptu trip up to Fort Wayne and drove all the way to the Toll Road and back on my return trip to check out the renumbering. In short, the renumbering is basically complete throughout in both directions. The only exceptions are around the construction zone on the north side of Fort Wayne near the Union Chapel Road exit and I assume those will be fixed when that project is over. None of the services signs have been changed over and the button copy signs I have mentioned before in Madison and Delaware Counties remain, although I'm sure no one is complaining.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 13, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 13, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
The only exceptions are around the construction zone on the north side of Fort Wayne near the Union Chapel Road exit and I assume those will be fixed when that project is over.

Once the new Union Chapel Rd. exit is open, the DuPont Rd (SR 1) interchange will be rebuilt as a diverging diamond, and there will be new signs installed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 14, 2012, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: mukade on September 13, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 13, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
The only exceptions are around the construction zone on the north side of Fort Wayne near the Union Chapel Road exit and I assume those will be fixed when that project is over.

Once the new Union Chapel Rd. exit is open, the DuPont Rd (SR 1) interchange will be rebuilt as a diverging diamond, and there will be new signs installed.

The divering diamond is awesome first one in Indiana I believe. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 14, 2012, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 14, 2012, 10:37:03 AM

The divering diamond is awesome first one in Indiana I believe.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on September 14, 2012, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: mukade on September 12, 2012, 06:18:46 PM
For the INDOT letting of September 12, bids were accepted for the second to the last project of I-69 section 4. This is from taylor Ridge Road to Plummers Creek in Greene County - so this starts about four miles east of US 231, I believe. Only two bids were submitted and neither were under the engineer's estimate. I am not familiar with the terrain (I assume it is pretty hilly), but the low bid was around $178M and the high bid was around $237M.

For the August 8 letting, INDOT documents show that E S Wagner Company was awarded the I-69 section 4 contract in Monroe County for around $57.5M. Seven companies submitted bids in that letting. That bid was about $11.5M below the engineer's estimate.
Yes, this area is very "hilly". They have already cleared a huge path east of 231 up to IN 45 and beyond. The terrain is hills and valleys. This section is supposed to be finished in 2 years? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 14, 2012, 03:03:56 PM
Sure, it will just be a very busy two years. If they can build some 60 miles of interstate in two to three years, then building a 20-some mile stretch in Greene and Monroe Counties shouldn't be a hassle. But the terrain will make it the most difficult section to build undoubtably. Looking a few pages back to the bit about US 231 being considered the temporary route for I-69 from Crane north to I-69 I started thinking: is is wise to be sending the interstate-bound traffic through Bloomfield, Worthington and Spencer? I've seen traffic get heavy through Bloomfield and I know there was talk about a bypass for Spencer, and INDOT wants to send Indianapolis-bound traffic up this way? When I went down SR 45 from Bloomington to Crane earlier this summer to check out the construction, I noticed that 45 wasn't too bad of a drive once you left SR 54 in eastern Greene County to Crane. Sure the section in Monroe County is a bit windy, but wouldn't SR 45 along with SR 37 be a better temporary route than 231?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 14, 2012, 07:30:15 PM
I agree that the Bloomfield alternatives are poor, but the problem with SR 45 is when commuters to and from Bloomington and to and from Crane hit the road. It can be pretty solid traffic. That is why I thought SR 58 east to SR 37 would be the least problematic even if it is not the shortest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 14, 2012, 07:42:53 PM
Fair enough, I was traveling on a Saturday down SR 45, so the commuter traffic wasn't present. Didn't think about 45 and 58 east to Bedford, that wouldn't be too bad for an alternative.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 14, 2012, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: sd72667 on September 14, 2012, 02:46:16 PM
Yes, this area is very "hilly". They have already cleared a huge path east of 231 up to IN 45 and beyond. The terrain is hills and valleys. This section is supposed to be finished in 2 years? :hmmm:

I am pretty sure this is the section from 4 miles east of US 231 to somewhere west of, but near SR 45. Other contracts have been let from SR 45 almost up to SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 14, 2012, 11:59:20 PM
And it continues to inch closer to Indy by the minute :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: digitalphiltv on September 15, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 14, 2012, 11:59:20 PM
And it continues to inch closer to Indy by the minute :)

At the rate, it feels like, of one inch per minute.  :nod: :-P
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 15, 2012, 09:01:18 AM
Quote from: phildmills on September 15, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 14, 2012, 11:59:20 PM
And it continues to inch closer to Indy by the minute :)

At the rate, it feels like, of one inch per minute. 

An inch per minute would take almost 20 years - and it likely will take that long to complete it to I-465. The more positive way to look at it (assuming that $177M bid for 5-6 miles is accepted) is that about 90 continuous miles will be under construction. I can't remember the last time that happened, but I assume it was in the 1970s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 15, 2012, 03:15:03 PM
it would have been nice for them to have finished it to 37 then the temp route would have been sr 37 a much better route for the thru traffic
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on September 15, 2012, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on September 15, 2012, 09:01:18 AM
Quote from: phildmills on September 15, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 14, 2012, 11:59:20 PM
And it continues to inch closer to Indy by the minute :)

At the rate, it feels like, of one inch per minute. 

An inch per minute would take almost 20 years - and it likely will take that long to complete it to I-465. The more positive way to look at it (assuming that $177M bid for 5-6 miles is accepted) is that about 90 continuous miles will be under construction. I can't remember the last time that happened, but I assume it was in the 1970s.

When I worked on I-55 in IL, we had about 200 miles of the route under construction at once, in aproximately 7-to-10 mile team sections.  We had about 4 full time inspection and management personnel per section, augmented by about 10-15 seasonal help, plus hundreds of contractors and union personnel in peak periods.  Those sleepy little towns never had so much of an economic jolt with hundreds of customers at the local restaurants, bars and grocery stores.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 15, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on September 15, 2012, 03:34:47 PM
When I worked on I-55 in IL, we had about 200 miles of the route under construction at once, in aproximately 7-to-10 mile team sections.  We had about 4 full time inspection and management personnel per section, augmented by about 10-15 seasonal help, plus hundreds of contractors and union personnel in peak periods.  Those sleepy little towns never had so much of an economic jolt with hundreds of customers at the local restaurants, bars and grocery stores.

In the Rand McNally road atlases way back, I remember seeing the red US 66 route fairly quickly become the green I-55 one so it must have happened in a relatively short time. I-64 in Illinois was also done in a single shot if I remember correctly.

Back to I-55, the areas near St. Louis, Springfield, Bloomington, and Chicago (south of Joliet northward) had already been built so I thought there were three stretches of roughly 50-60 miles each that were built in the same general timeframe. It was impressive to be sure, but when and where was the last 90 straight mile stretch built anywhere?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 15, 2012, 10:00:46 PM
Below are some pics of the I-69 signs with new exit numbers. Only a few guide signs and signs that will soon be replaced still have old exit numbers.

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Steuben County

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Allen County (Fort Wayne)

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Allen County (Fort Wayne)

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Dekalb County
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on September 17, 2012, 11:47:38 PM
QuoteLooking a few pages back to the bit about US 231 being considered the temporary route for I-69 from Crane north to I-69 I started thinking: is is wise to be sending the interstate-bound traffic through Bloomfield, Worthington and Spencer?
Will INDOT post an "official" temporary route from Crane to Indy or will they leave drivers to figure it out? What's the precedence on this in other projects? Many projects have an obvious route for the unfinished portion, but not so here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on September 18, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: theline on September 17, 2012, 11:47:38 PM
Will INDOT post an "official" temporary route from Crane to Indy or will they leave drivers to figure it out? What's the precedence on this in other projects? Many projects have an obvious route for the unfinished portion, but not so here.

Whatever the GPS says...  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 18, 2012, 11:19:52 AM
There is a picture of a sign, a few pages up that mukade had posted that tells motorists as they apporach the US 231 exit (where they will have to get off for a couple of years) to use US 231 north to I-70 as a temporary route. So according to INDOT's signage plans, this is their idea for a temporary route. How it will be marked on US 231 itself is unknown.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 19, 2012, 08:18:44 PM
Both bids from the September letting for the last section 4 I-69 contract in Greene County were rejected and will be re-advertised. The lower bid was for about $178M. As that stretch is difficult terrain, I wonder if this will affect the planned 2014 opening date.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 20, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
This may only interest me, but the plans for signage around the SR 37 interchange (Exit 114) are now out. First of all, it appears that the free-flowing trumpet design (or whatever it's called, not the roundabout one) is being used for the interchange, meaning that SR 37 south will enter and exit the I-69/Eventual I-69 corridor without having to navigate any roundabouts.

Second, as I suspected, on I-69 the exit is signed for SR 37 south to Bedford and SR 37 north to Bloomington, with no mention of Indianapolis. Perhaps that will change in the future when I-69 is extended further north. I live for the day I can see Evansville on I-465, or even a dual mention of Bloomington and Evansville on 465 will work for me. Southbound on SR 37, Evansville is indeed the control city as it should be.

A quick look from INDOT's site shows that the planned community days on the new interstate (or whatever the event's name is) is scheduled for October 20th at the interchanges with US 231, SR 58, US 50, SR 61 and SR 64.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 20, 2012, 08:07:07 PM
Good news on the new I-69 plans. I was hoping the remainder of the Hamilton County US 31 plans might also be available as they are supposed to be let the same day. I did not see them.

Seeing that INDOT issued that one press release today, you would think that the rejected I-69 bids would also merit a press release.

Title: I-69 On Time
Post by: mukade on September 20, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
Here (http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/southern_indiana/i69-on-time#.UFu8RsV9tu0) is a news report on I-69 construction in southern Indiana from September 20 (from WTHI).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 23, 2012, 10:28:54 AM
The Bloomington Herald-Times has a headline on 9/23 entitled "I-69 paving work almost done from Evansville to U.S. 231 in southern Greene County". As usual, you cannot read the article unless you pay. Again, some of the comments, which you can read are funny. The following is about one guy who insists little has been done between Crane and Bloomington and the bulldozers just need to be rerouted to upgrade the US 231 corridor to I-70:

Quote
(outspoken opponent) is a pretty smart feller and can handle himself in just about any topic of discussion, but you get him on this I-69 thing and he immediately goes all slobber jaw. They will be seed and straw'n and he will still say it's not too late...

Comments can be read here (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAxMi8wOS8yMy9uZXdzLmNvbmNyZXRlLXByb2dyZXNzLWktNjktbmVhci1jcmFuZS5zdG8=).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on September 30, 2012, 05:31:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 18, 2012, 11:19:52 AM
There is a picture of a sign, a few pages up that mukade had posted that tells motorists as they apporach the US 231 exit (where they will have to get off for a couple of years) to use US 231 north to I-70 as a temporary route. So according to INDOT's signage plans, this is their idea for a temporary route. How it will be marked on US 231 itself is unknown.
It likely will not be posted or marked on US 231, if you use the example set by I 465 and all of the routes that are multiplexed on it (other than I 74). None of the US or IN state routes are marked once on I 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 30, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
Well, this is an interstate and not a state or US route that would be signed so the 465 example wouldn't work (as you said I-74 is signed) in that regard. Now I don't know how temporary interstates would work being signed, in fact I don't know if I've ever seen a temporary interstate signed (only the I-69 corridor signs in Kentucky.) In any case I guess we'll see what happens and find out in a few months how it will work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on October 01, 2012, 07:50:23 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 30, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
Well, this is an interstate and not a state or US route that would be signed so the 465 example wouldn't work (as you said I-74 is signed) in that regard. Now I don't know how temporary interstates would work being signed, in fact I don't know if I've ever seen a temporary interstate signed (only the I-69 corridor signs in Kentucky.) In any case I guess we'll see what happens and find out in a few months how it will work.
I would think I-69 signs will be added to I-465 once the highway is signed on up to 465. The assumption comes in that if the new interchange is not completed and traffic has to use a little bit of 37 to get to 465 for a couple of years, I would still expect there to be new signs erected. The Beltway can already be signed as I-69, as it's continuous Interstate, so it would only be the little piece left to be signed as temporary.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: civeng on October 02, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
My guess is that it won't be temporarily signed, just as the newly opened portion is now.  It simply states that you must exit to SR 68.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on October 02, 2012, 06:28:08 PM
Quote from: civeng on October 02, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
My guess is that it won't be temporarily signed, just as the newly opened portion is now.  It simply states that you must exit to SR 68.
I should probably elaborate on my guess - I don't expect "TEMPORARY I-69" signs, but I do expect I-69 to be signed continuously in some fashion. (I.e. you won't "lose" the route.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 03, 2012, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Steve on October 02, 2012, 06:28:08 PM

I should probably elaborate on my guess - I don't expect "TEMPORARY I-69" signs, but I do expect I-69 to be signed continuously in some fashion. (I.e. you won't "lose" the route.)

The infamous "TO I-69"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2012, 05:14:35 PM
Now that Evansville to Crane is out of the way, all that's left to be done is the remainder of the stretch through Bloomington to Indianapolis...which could be several years away.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 03, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 06, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
Article in the Indianapolis Star, presumeably for Sunday's paper about the future of I-69.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121006/NEWS05/210060346/Money-runs-low-completion-69-extension-from-Evansville-Indy?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cimg%7CIndyStar.com&nclick_check=1
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 07, 2012, 09:01:37 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 06, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
Article in the Indianapolis Star, presumeably for Sunday's paper about the future of I-69.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121006/NEWS05/210060346/Money-runs-low-completion-69-extension-from-Evansville-Indy?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cimg%7CIndyStar.com&nclick_check=1


That reads like an article CARR and Tom Tokarski would be proud of. While completing I-69 will not be easy, there are options. Among them are the using part of the money from the recent budget surpluses and raising the gas tax (which can easily be argued as a fee). They could also sell bonds - not sure if that will fly or if it would be wise, but they could.

At the very least, it would be relatively inexpensive to make I-69 a freeway all the way through Bloomington. The plans to rebuild all except the SR 46 interchanges could be put on hold in order to extend the freeway as far north in Monroe County as the budget allows.

Personally, I think the state should put highest priority to improve the most congested and dangerous remaining intersections (make grade separations) on SR 37 between Bloomington and Indy and on US 31 from Plymouth to Hamilton County. That plan would not be a budget breaker, but would provide a very excellent value to the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 07, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
How about a toll road for Bloomington to Indy? It will enable quick contrstruction, and allow the new gov to avoid raising taxes.

And then they can lease it out to finance other projects.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on October 07, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
I say toll all the exits and entrances to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 07, 2012, 07:47:17 PM
They can do ORT and call it the "Greenie Pass"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 09, 2012, 10:12:29 PM
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A Greene County planning committee is busy preparing for a king-sized Interstate 69 celebration on Oct. 20 that can be enjoyed by entire families and communities. The Greene County site will be near the intersection of State Road 58/U.S. 231 junction with the new interstate highway.

Plans for Greene County's I-69 Community Celebration Day coming together (http://www.gcdailyworld.com/story/1900292.html) (Greene County Daily World)


Less than two weeks away.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on October 11, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Overpass construction on the Crane to Bloomington stretch.

http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=59463&information_id=119998&type=&syndicate=syndicate
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 11, 2012, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: theline on October 07, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
How about a toll road for Bloomington to Indy? It will enable quick contrstruction, and allow the new gov to avoid raising taxes.

And then they can lease it out to finance other projects.  :-D

That is a terrible idea. Toll an existing free highway? That defeats the purpose of increased mobility and economic benefits that the highway is supposed to provide.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 11, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on October 07, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
I say toll all the exits and entrances to Bloomington.

What a sick twisted assertion. Punish the people of Bloomington because they exercised their democratic rights to oppose a billion dollar boondoggle? Give me a break. How about we toll your driveway?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on October 11, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
Shawn's being a sore winner. Let him gloat while he can.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 15, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 11, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on October 07, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
I say toll all the exits and entrances to Bloomington.

What a sick twisted assertion. Punish the people of Bloomington because they exercised their democratic rights to oppose a billion dollar boondoggle? Give me a break. How about we toll your driveway?
Quote from: NE2 on October 11, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
Shawn's being a sore winner. Let him gloat while he can.
Actually, tolling the remainder of I-69 is not a bad idea. It can be built on top of IN 37, which already has 4 lanes in that corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 15, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
Tolling that part of I-69 from Bloomington to Indianapolis HAD been proposed in the past, but Daniels decided against it. Originally they thought about tolling the whole thing and then part of it before deciding against it. Of course, the idea could be revived and a toll road could still happen, I think. I'd be fine with it under one condition, the highway must go back to free status once the cost to build the highway are paid, similar to Kentucky's parkways. As for building I-69 on top of SR 37, I believe the current idea at least with Section 5 is to have a frontage road follow one half of the current SR 37 and have the interstate follow on the other side (with more added to side for the interstate's width presumeably.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 15, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
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If you are new to Indiana, there are mysteries you need to understand. One of those is called Interstate 69, the highway being built between Indianapolis, Bloomington, Crane, and Evansville...

OPINION: A premium highway deserves a premium price (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=67035) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 15, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
I'd be fine with it under one condition, the highway must go back to free status once the cost to build the highway are paid, similar to Kentucky's parkways.

Of course, they'll make the road free when the bonds are paid off. That's what they did with the Indiana Toll Road in my part of the state.

Wait a minute! I'm still paying tolls to go to Grandma's.

The funny thing is that I don't have any trouble paying a toll on the Indy to Bloomington road if that will get it done much sooner. When I visit my daughter in Evansville, I'd gladly pay a toll to forego the nightmare that is I-70 and US-41.

Quote from: mukade on October 15, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
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If you are new to Indiana, there are mysteries you need to understand. One of those is called Interstate 69, the highway being built between Indianapolis, Bloomington, Crane, and Evansville...

OPINION: A premium highway deserves a premium price (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=67035) (Indiana Economic Digest)

Well reasoned article. It's past time that the obstructionists realize that it's not a road to benefit just Indy and Evansville, but a road that can benefit the whole region.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on October 17, 2012, 01:15:56 PM
Indiana and it's residents have the right to gloat. Every step of the way those folks in Bloomington fought and fought this road. Yet most of them will drive on it when it's finished. Indiana did something no other state has done in decades and that is build over 100 miles of new construction Interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 17, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
According to the Build I-69 web site, the draft environmental impact statement for Section 5 is expected this month. Also, meetings of the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization's Citizens Advisory Committee, which will likely be discussing I-69, are scheduled for October 24 and November 26. The meetings will take place at Bloomington City Hall, Suite 135, beginning at 6:30.

The whole posting is here: http://www.buildi69.com/?p=1703 (http://www.buildi69.com/?p=1703)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 17, 2012, 06:13:36 PM
Has INDOT announced a date when the I-69 section from Evansville to Crane will be open to traffic?  I know their goal is this November, but we are more than half-way through October, and November is close at hand.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 17, 2012, 06:29:21 PM
I have seen reports it will be done in Late November but here is a link to the progress and there are 4 links at the upper left that let you see the maps and the completion ratio

http://www.i69indyevn.org/section-design-schedule/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 17, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on October 17, 2012, 06:13:36 PM
Has INDOT announced a date when the I-69 section from Evansville to Crane will be open to traffic?  I know their goal is this November, but we are more than half-way through October, and November is close at hand.

Remember that the open house is this Saturday so we'll at least be able to see the progress. Maybe, we'll be lucky and see an INDOT person there.

INDOT should have a busy month with I-69, US 24 (Fort to Port), SR 25 (Lafayette to Delphi), and the US 31/SR 38 interchange opening up. US 31 Kokomo and US 31 South Bend are also both really coming along, but the Kokomo part opens next year and South Bend part in 2014.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 18, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
Here are details on an event at another interchange. It looks like the governor may speak at this one.

I-69 celebration set for Saturday  (http://www.tristate-media.com/pdclarion/news/article_bf389c00-18dd-11e2-8f10-0019bb2963f4.html) (Tristate-Media)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on October 18, 2012, 09:07:40 AM
That is a really cool pic in that article!  I can't wait to drive the finished route.  I'm stoked!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 18, 2012, 12:31:05 PM
67 miles of new construction has to be a big achievement these days! Definitely looks like an interesting road to drive on :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 18, 2012, 01:12:30 PM
When I was a kid and into my early adult years, a 67-mile section of new freeway would open weekly at one or more locations around the country.  Now look at us!  We are celebrating the completion of a 67-mile section of new freeway at a single location in the United States as if it is something special. It should not be as special as it is.

I realize the interstate system has been built-out for decades and that we don't really need a new 42,000 mile highway system.  But the regulatory/enviornmental/financial hurdles have made it an almost impossibly expensive and time-consuming undertaking to build all but the most trivial projects.  It has taken 7 years to get a series of  signal upgrade projects I have been involved in constructed from conception these days, when using federal funds.

When I hear energy people complain about the long delays in getting drilling permits on federal lands, my reply is that it is no easier or quicker to get a road built.  Sorry for the rant, just had to let it out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 18, 2012, 03:08:07 PM
It is just that difficulty that makes this a significant event. On the other hand (forgetting the exact quote), Daniels said something to the effect that if you make it a priority, you will succeed - implying that others only paid lip service to the project. The I-69 documentary said more or less the same thing. Whether or not you like the current governor, he found a way to very quickly get this road done. If you grew up in Evansville, you know I-69 has been discussed for decades, but other than route selection, nothing was done to make it happen until 2005. That is remarkable.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 18, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
As an ex-resident of Indiana and somebody who grew up in Evansville, I think Daniels is the best governor of the state at least since Otis Bowen.  I am glad he is going to be president of Purdue when he is done with being governor.  It does take the push of high elected officials to cut through the obsticles that are in front of any major project these days.  The money from the Toll Road lease didn't hurt either.
Title: Governor Daniels Proclaims this Saturday as Interstate 69 Community Day
Post by: mukade on October 18, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
INDOT lists the details of the festivities this Saturday here (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=59745&information_id=120564&type=&syndicate=syndicate). If anyone is going to more than one event, it looks like it makes sense to start north and go south as the two northern ones start at 9:00 am EDT. Going south, the next two start an hour later, and the one at SR 64 begins three hours later than the two northern events.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: WrkHrse on October 18, 2012, 11:12:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 03, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
Harding would go straight through; the southbound lanes of SR 37 would be retained for local access between Harding and Epler.
That's what I was wondering. Thanks!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 19, 2012, 11:42:18 AM
Quote from: WrkHrse on October 18, 2012, 11:12:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 03, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
Harding would go straight through; the southbound lanes of SR 37 would be retained for local access between Harding and Epler.
That's what I was wondering. Thanks!
Somehow, I was thinking the exact same thing!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 19, 2012, 10:23:54 PM
It looks like they will moving the west moving exit to Harding street quite a bit farther back, this should keep backup's off of 465 and they should have done this a long time ago.  It looks like you stay on 465 west and exit just to 69 south just past the harding bridge

What could be a problem is people exiting 69 onto 465 east very close to Harding street which always backs up, I hope they find a way to make exiting from 69 to 465 east seemless
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 20, 2012, 04:33:28 PM
I decided to go down to the I-69 open house, and was a bit surprised at how much work is left to do.

Where it looks good: SR 168, SR 64, and US 231 interchanges look fairly close. The former two look completely signed and the latter still needs the BGSes.

Where it looks dicey: US 50 looks the worst with paving on US 50 itself not done, paving (and even final grading) on two ramps not done, and a myriad of other things to do. SR 56/SR 61 and SR 58 are also not done. They are also still paving shoulders on the mainline in places.

None of the new road from SR 68 all the way to US 231 is striped yet.

The weather was mostly heavy overcast, so I still need to see if I took any picturesI took are worth posting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 20, 2012, 05:49:13 PM
Looks like they are really going for the very end of the year. I'm curious, are the BGSs you saw consistant based on the plans that we've seen?
Title: I-69 at SR 168 Photos
Post by: mukade on October 20, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
Here are some pictures taken at the SR 168 interchange. This interchange was the only one without a community day and it looked done except for striping and maybe lighting - I will assume this interchange may not have lights because it is a minor state road not near any town.

I could not get any pictures of the green directional signs.

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Northbound from SR 168 overpass

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Southbound from SR 168 overpass

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Eastbound SR 168 at I-69 overpass

Title: I-69 at SR 64 Photos
Post by: mukade on October 20, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Here are some pictures taken at the SR 64 interchange just west of Oakland City. This interchange had a community day celebration, but it started latest of the five events so I did not go to it. As with all interchanges, the highway was not striped and there were no lights, but it looked very close to being complete.

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Northbound from SR 64 overpass

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Southbound from SR 64 overpass

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Northbound from CR 350S overpass looking toward SR 64

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Northbound SR 57 at I-69 overpass - interesting because you can see all the paving equipment still in use. To the right of SR 57 under the bridge are still many pieces of construction equipment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 20, 2012, 09:49:42 PM
Great pictures, Thanks

I see on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana

it shows the exits quite a bit down the page but what is puzzling is that they show an exit at state road 356 in Petersburg but the indiana construction map shows the exit a bit farther north of 356 http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Section-2.pdf

does anyone know the proposed exit numbers for the Washington (U.S. 50), Plainville (SR 58) and U.S 231 exits?
Title: I-69 in Petersburg Photos
Post by: mukade on October 20, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
Three state roads cross I-69 in Petersburg. SR 56 and SR 61 are concurrent and there is an interchange there. SR 356 simply crosses I-69 without an interchange.

The SR 56/SR 61 interchange is very difficult to stop to get photos of due to the barriers so I don't have real good pictures. The paving on the ramps is not fully complete, the paving of the shoulders on the mainline are not done, and a lot of mud (i.e. not seeded) still exists. Nonetheless, I was surprised how close to complete this is as construction on this section started in late spring 2011. When I drove down in May 2012, the overpass was far from complete.

This was one of the two events I stopped at. It seemed to be well attended, but people did not seem to stay long as the temperature was 49 degrees and it was spitting rain.

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Southbound from SR 356 toward SR 61/SR 56 interchange

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Northbound from SR 356

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Westbound SR 356 at I-69

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At the community event, I took this picture showing the shoulder is not yet complete

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None of the ramps at the SR 61/SR 56 interchange are  100% done and SR 61/SR 56 itself is also not completed. I suppose that could happen in the spring. The signage on the northbound side by the community event was still not erected.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 20, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
Thanks for the Info, The wikipedia shows an exit at 356 they must have info wrong but it looks like there is an exit a mile north if you check the link I put in my last email for section 2
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 20, 2012, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 20, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
Thanks for the Info, The wikipedia shows an exit at 356 they must have info wrong but it looks like there is an exit a mile north if you check the link I put in my last email for section 2

That would be one of the two postponed interchanges to keep the project within budget. It was a sore point in that the coal trucks will still have to go through downtown Petersburg on their way to the IPL power station.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 21, 2012, 12:07:37 AM
Are parts of I-69 final paved with asphalt instead of concrete?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 21, 2012, 12:14:19 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 21, 2012, 12:07:37 AM
Are parts of I-69 final paved with asphalt instead of concrete?

Mike

Yes. It goes back and forth between the two, but is mostly concrete.
Title: I-69 at US 231
Post by: mukade on October 21, 2012, 12:19:23 AM
The interchange at US 231 looks like it is fairly close to completion despite some obvious unfinished items like the concrete barriers and lack of directional signage. Some of the local roads are also not yet complete. East of 231 is more rugged, and you can see the road going up a hill on the east side of this interchange.

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Northbound (looking east) toward the temporary terminus interchange of US 231

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Southbound US 231 at I-69 - the concrete barriers on the bridge have not been poured

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Southbound (looking west) entrance to I-69 from US 231

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Southbound exit (looking east from US 231) - this ramp will not open to traffic until 2014

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The community event here featured antique vehicles and emergency equipment. Even though I know Crane NSA is near this interchange, I did a double take when I saw a US Navy fire truck, but Crane is actually the third largest Navy base (at 62,000 acres) despite being landlocked.
Title: I-69 at US 50 Photos
Post by: mukade on October 21, 2012, 09:55:12 AM
The US 50 interchange in Washington seemed to be the most problematic. The westbound lanes of US 50 are missing curbing and shoulders and the ramps on the north side  really look like they will be tough to complete on time (especially with all the rain recently). Then again, the contractor is Walsh Construction who built the short duration Allisonvile Road and Super 70 projects. Nevertheless, the lack of progress was surprising, and the fact that many crews were working in the moderate rain Friday and light rain on Saturday indicates that things aren't quite on schedule. Back in May, this project at US 50 appeared to be on track so the contrast with the rapid progress further south in Petersburg was surprising to me.

Up on the main road, you could see a crane and concrete truck with a large crew at work. I have no idea how close the mainline is. On the plus side, most of the directional signing was in place. The weather was dreary and it is difficult to take pictures in this congested area so apologies for the lackluster shots.

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Laying concrete for the crossover to the northbound entrance. Note the condition of the ramp in the background.

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Going west on US 50 looking at the future westbound lanes. No median and westbound shoulders/curbing exist in the

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A lot of activity was still ongoing on I-69 itself
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dirtroad66 on October 21, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
I went to the Gibson County festival and then drove north to US 50. I don't know if mid to late Nov opening is possible, still a lot to be done. Great pictures considering the weather yesterday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 21, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
Based on the photos posted here, I don't see how the entire section of I-69  north to 231 is going to be open anytime within the month of November.  In fact, I would not be shocked to see all or some of it open sometime if the first quarter of '13, depending on the weather.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 21, 2012, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on October 21, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
Based on the photos posted here, I don't see how the entire section of I-69  north to 231 is going to be open anytime within the month of November.  In fact, I would not be shocked to see all or some of it open sometime if the first quarter of '13, depending on the weather.

They are cutting it close, but I would not be surprised either way. A couple of things: first, I think the target was by the end of this year. In Indiana, the construction season could end in late November, but usually you can do some work until about December 10. Second, I would think it could open up to Petersburg or Washington without too much trouble even if weather was really bad. The part that looked really iffy is just north of US 50 (including the ramps on the north side). Even so, I could see the whole section to Crane opening even though more than minor wrap-up work would remain for spring. The weather would have to be somewhat decent, but if they are working seven days a week, they should have time.

Below are some pictures from the SR 58 interchange.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR58-1.jpg&hash=1939e87c391d1023d386ba2a936177b4afb26232)
Southbound from SR 58, This is the biggest area that looks like a typical Indiana flat freeway.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR58-2.jpg&hash=c0076e8d8e2760a72bce2963c868bfba084dff1a)
Looking north from SR 58
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 21, 2012, 10:55:13 PM
Great pictures, mukade. Thanks from those of us that couldn't make it down.

The Build I-69 web site has just published some aerial photos, courtesy of State Rep. Wendy McNamara: http://www.buildi69.com/?p=1691 (http://www.buildi69.com/?p=1691). Perhaps someone who has seen the construction can provide a better description of what is pictured. Captions like "I-69 Section 2, Segment 2" aren't very meaningful to me. I know I could check the INDOT project page and figure it out, but I don't have the time right now.
Title: Re: I-69 at US 231
Post by: mgk920 on October 22, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
I'd love to be able to make this, but....

:-(

I still remember the fun of the open house weekend activities right before the part of WI 441 in Calumet and Outagamie Counties here in Appleton opened in late 1993 - and then the freeway opened to normal traffic early the following Monday morning.

Quote from: mukade on October 21, 2012, 12:19:23 AM

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--US231-1.jpg&hash=6de10f2d78843a392cb5131c67cdcb51fd3e5ac2)
The community event here featured antique vehicles and emergency equipment. Even though I know Crane NSA is near this interchange, I did a double take when I saw a US Navy fire truck, but Crane is actually the third largest Navy base (at 62,000 acres) despite being landlocked.

Fire truck manufactured by Pierce Manufacturing http://www.piercemfg.com , located right along US 41(I-xx) here in the Appleton, WI area.  They have had an ongoing contract with the USNavy for many years now.

:cool:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on October 22, 2012, 02:39:43 AM
US 50 - that's the one where one of the main I-69 promoters owns the land in three quadrants, right?
Title: I-69 Section 4 progress
Post by: mukade on October 22, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
Finally, the SR 45 interchange on section 4 (due to open in 2014) is also well along. Up the highway, SR 45 is closed for the construction of the SR 445/I-69 connector. It looks as if a good chunk of SR 445 will also be rebuilt as part of that project.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR45-2.jpg&hash=92531415bc1c6b8f2ab4ff22188a36f7a7ddafa4)
Bridge over SR 45 in Greene County
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 22, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 21, 2012, 06:05:43 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR58-1.jpg&hash=1939e87c391d1023d386ba2a936177b4afb26232)
Southbound from SR 58, This is the biggest area that looks like a typical Indiana flat freeway.

A bouncy castle on an interstate highway?  Now I've seen everything.  :-D
Maybe they're experimenting with new crash barriers!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on October 23, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
Retired from the Navy and Crane was one of the hard sought after shore duty jobs in my rating. It is far away from any other big Navy base so much less stressful than the big Navy bases in Virginia. Glad they named bridges after military folks. I HATE bridges and roads being named after living politicians (yes you Robert Byrd and Kit Bond).

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/indiana/I69-bridges-in-SW-Ind-named-for-honored-soldiers
Title: I-69 Shows up on Google Maps
Post by: mukade on October 23, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
Except for a section between SR 68 and SR 168, I-69 in Indiana has made its way on to Google Maps.

It beat SR 25 from Lafayette to Delphi even though that opens tomorrow - and I-69 looks to be weeks away from opening.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 23, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on October 23, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
Retired from the Navy and Crane was one of the hard sought after shore duty jobs in my rating. It is far away from any other big Navy base so much less stressful than the big Navy bases in Virginia. Glad they named bridges after military folks. I HATE bridges and roads being named after living politicians (yes you Robert Byrd and Kit Bond).

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/indiana/I69-bridges-in-SW-Ind-named-for-honored-soldiers

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2zegdqt.png&hash=4b5ee214e0f0f9599733902dda299c2b2b376b0a)
Title: Re: I-69 Shows up on Google Maps
Post by: theline on October 23, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 23, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
Except for a section between SR 68 and SR 168, I-69 in Indiana has made its way on to Google Maps.

It beat SR 25 from Lafayette to Delphi even though that opens tomorrow - and I-69 looks to be weeks away from opening.

It looks like somebody drew it in with a yellow crayon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on October 24, 2012, 08:42:01 AM
Good name for any bridge or interchange in the Bloomington area.

This gentleman was from the Bloomington area.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_1940_wwii/kisters.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 22, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 21, 2012, 06:05:43 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR58-1.jpg&hash=1939e87c391d1023d386ba2a936177b4afb26232)
Southbound from SR 58, This is the biggest area that looks like a typical Indiana flat freeway.

A bouncy castle on an interstate highway?  Now I've seen everything.  :-D
Maybe they're experimenting with new crash barriers!  :biggrin:
That is so funny, I can't control it  :rofl:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 24, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 23, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
Except for a section between SR 68 and SR 168, I-69 in Indiana has made its way on to Google Maps.

It beat SR 25 from Lafayette to Delphi even though that opens tomorrow - and I-69 looks to be weeks away from opening.

As quickly as it came to Google Maps yesterday, I-69 in southern Indiana is gone today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 25, 2012, 05:13:27 PM
I am curious why it takes 2 years to complete 36 miles from Crane to 37 when they finished 70 miles from Evansville to Crane in 2 years
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on October 25, 2012, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 25, 2012, 05:13:27 PM
I am curious why it takes 2 years to complete 36 miles from Crane to 37 when they finished 70 miles from Evansville to Crane in 2 years
I'm guessing less bridges, overpasses to build.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 25, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
One word: hills. Look at a shaded relief map of Indiana, the western half of Greene County is mostly flat and once you head to the eastern half it gets hilly. Monroe County is no different in topography.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 25, 2012, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 25, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
One word: hills. Look at a shaded relief map of Indiana, the western half of Greene County is mostly flat and once you head to the eastern half it gets hilly. Monroe County is no different in topography.

And limestone. Section 4 construction will be challenging and expensive. Look at the pile of rocks where they are digging out the SR 45 overpass and interchange.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR45-3.jpg&hash=2f0eedd971b7a58adc4b5a1ee586900e5d0acf16)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 26, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
Quote from: mukade on October 25, 2012, 08:28:28 PM

And limestone. Section 4 construction will be challenging and expensive. Look at the pile of rocks where they are digging out the SR 45 overpass and interchange.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const--SR45-3.jpg&hash=2f0eedd971b7a58adc4b5a1ee586900e5d0acf16)

With all that limestone, they could build a huge statue of Mitch. Pretty appropriate use, I think.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 26, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
Well said folks!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on October 27, 2012, 11:32:30 AM
With the next 27 miles being much more hilly. Sounds like some great fall driving like I-64 west of Corydon, In and east Evansville. If you have never driven it in fall try it. Almost like WV with very light traffic and a lot of great views.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 28, 2012, 11:35:08 PM
Looking to check out I-69 construction next week. I know I can take IN 57 as far north as Washington and generally follow the route, and take a few of the intersecting routes over to see the exits. Once I get to Washington, what's the best routing for me to take to see what's going on with I-69? Just how far north is construction underway now?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 29, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2012, 11:35:08 PM
Looking to check out I-69 construction next week. I know I can take IN 57 as far north as Washington and generally follow the route, and take a few of the intersecting routes over to see the exits. Once I get to Washington, what's the best routing for me to take to see what's going on with I-69? Just how far north is construction underway now?

The best that I can say is to go to Bing Maps aerial images and you can trace the construction and side road accesses there.  There is construction northeast of US 231 and some of it is shown in those Bing images, but as to how close to Bloomington it goes, I'm not sure.

Good luck!

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 29, 2012, 05:49:35 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 28, 2012, 11:35:08 PM
Looking to check out I-69 construction next week. I know I can take IN 57 as far north as Washington and generally follow the route, and take a few of the intersecting routes over to see the exits. Once I get to Washington, what's the best routing for me to take to see what's going on with I-69? Just how far north is construction underway now?

North of Washington is more problematic. When I checked the construction out in May, I ended up going down a number of gravel (and some paved) roads in Greene and Daviess Counties. I didn't really look at a map, I just generally zigzagged from north to south so I couldn't say what county roads I followed. The only views were at overpasses. Also, I never explored areas from Petersburg to Washington so I can't say what you might see there.

I have not strayed from the SR 45 between Crane and Bloomington, but you will see construction at SR 45 and SR 445. SR 45 is closed at SR 445 so the relatively short detour is SR 54 to SR 445. I assume the overpass at SR 54 south of Cincinnati is also well underway. I think I-69 is under construction for four miles east of US 231 followed by a gap of four miles (the section where bids were rejected) followed by four or five contracts that take you to Bloomington. When I went to the community day, I checked out SR 37 itself looking for evidence in interchange construction, but all I saw were a few survey stakes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 29, 2012, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 29, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
The best that I can say is to go to Bing Maps aerial images and you can trace the construction and side road accesses there.  There is construction northeast of US 231 and some of it is shown in those Bing images, but as to how close to Bloomington it goes, I'm not sure.

Then Bing's aerial imagery is more recent than Google's, because Google shows the construction running out at Petersburg.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on October 29, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 29, 2012, 10:58:30 AM
Then Bing's aerial imagery is more recent than Google's
That has generally been my experience.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 29, 2012, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 29, 2012, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 29, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
The best that I can say is to go to Bing Maps aerial images and you can trace the construction and side road accesses there.  There is construction northeast of US 231 and some of it is shown in those Bing images, but as to how close to Bloomington it goes, I'm not sure.

Then Bing's aerial imagery is more recent than Google's, because Google shows the construction running out at Petersburg.

Bing's is much more recent and shows the construction going all the way to US 231 along with some segments from there to Bloomington.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 30, 2012, 04:30:39 PM
For section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville...

Quote
"The DEIS shows that I-69 is both feasible and constructable while minimizing environmental impacts,"  INDOT Deputy Commissioner Samuel Sarvis said in a statement. "Indiana is a national leader in innovative highway financing and construction, and INDOT is exploring all options to continue delivering this critical project at record speed."

INDOT Releases New I-69 Environmental Impact Statement (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-environmental-impact-statement-released-39037/) (Indiana Public Media)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 31, 2012, 07:48:51 AM
New $500 million estimate for I-69 segment is $100 million higher than previous one (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/oct/30/i-69-hed-herp/) (Evansville Courier & Press)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 31, 2012, 10:57:55 PM
Based on the above article, a new editoral from the Indianapolis Star suggests that they should just stop the interstate at Bloomington, perhaps for the long haul. It's only an editorial, but it basically suggests to leave SR 37 as it is and focus on other projects.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121031/OPINION08/211010325/Editorial-Take-bypass-final-69-leg?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CIndyStar.com%7Cs&nclick_check=1
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 01, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
The Indy Star has been consistently slanted towards CARR's view, IMO so I don't take them seriously.

That said, once I-69 meets SR 37, a case could be made that US 31 is at least as important to the state as I-69 is. Traffic counts and (lack of) safety should dictate priorities. I am not sure of any other major road projects that are of critical importance to the state.

While I feel I-69 through Bloomington should be completed ASAP, I think construction of I-69 in the Indy area is more important to build than around Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 02, 2012, 09:01:02 AM
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=56447

Governor Mitch Daniels and the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) today announced that the first three sections of the new Interstate 69 corridor in southwest Indiana will officially open for business before the Thanksgiving travel holiday on the afternoon of Monday, Nov. 19. The highly anticipated grand opening will cover a 67-mile stretch that completes what has been the longest contiguous ongoing interstate construction project in the United States.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 02, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
Here's an excerpt from aforementioned Indy Star article:

QuoteWhile state officials continue to insist that the extension of I-69 past Bloomington makes economic sense, the latest news reinforces a compelling argument to the contrary.

A draft environmental impact statement estimates that the cost of the Bloomington-to-Martinsville segment could go as high as $545.6 million. That's $100 million more than the previous high estimate.

The governor's office replies that the previous four legs of the Southern Indiana highway came in well under estimates and there's no reason to expect this one to be any different.

Even if that's so, a problem remains: The state doesn't have money for further work on I-69 after it reaches Bloomington from its origin in Evansville, projected by 2014.

As new funds are sought, Gov. Mitch Daniels says an indefinite halt at Bloomington might make sense. Others, including elected officials from both parties and many residents and businesspeople in Monroe, Morgan, Johnson and Marion counties, prefer that the stop be definite.

They have a strong case. The current route between Indianapolis and Bloomington, Ind. 37, is a highly serviceable four-lane divided highway that could be maintained, repaired and enhanced at a fraction of the cost of turning it into I-69. That latter cost, for widening to interstate specifications, building interchanges and acquiring property, would be staggering for the 21 mostly rural miles from Bloomington to Martinsville; and far greater for the leg linking it to the densely developed Southside of Indianapolis. Add in the loss of taxable real estate, especially along urban stretches, and the upside becomes elusive.

When more highway money becomes available, there will be many uses for it. Indiana is cross-hatched with multilane divided roads, from state and federal highways to the six interstates; and upkeep and improvements on them as well as on hundreds of miles of other infrastructure make far more fiscal sense than adding to the $1.5 billion already spent on a corridor to Evansville, one that will be all but accomplished once I-69 connects with Ind. 37 near Bloomington.

I agree with most of this assessment, although the conversion of IN 37 to at least freeway/expressway standards should not be that complicated, given its current four-lane divided status. Also, if I-69 does end at Bloomington permanently without connecting back to Indy, it could be a while before some sort of resolution is reached. I have a feeling that the Hoosier Heartland project will be done before the Bloomington-Indy connection is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 02, 2012, 12:08:01 PM
The Hoosier Heartland project is supposed to be finished next year, of course it will be finished before the Bloomington-Indy connection is, hell it will be finished before the Bloomington-Crane connection is done. SR 37 from B-town to Indy is already an expressway, it's the conversion to freeway status that will be the issue. You have to find a way to make the highway limited-access which means that all those who do live off of SR 37 or have businesses on 37 will have to be dealt with. That is where the extra money is going to be needed. That's why the I-70/US 41 option was not a good idea, you'd have to freeway-ize US 41 from Terre Haute to I-64, a longer distance than SR 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis.

The one thing that might, MIGHT make this a decent option for the short term, leaving SR 37 as it is, is the fact that even once I-69 is built to Bloomington, it is still not a cross-country highway. With large chunks left in Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas (I'm generalizing here, I know some parts are finished) it will still be a long time before I-69 becomes a true cross-country highway in a way like I-5, I-25, I-75 and I-95. Traffic on the new I-69 I am going to guess won't be incrediably high, maybe similar to I-64 and I-74 across Indiana, so SR 37 will be okay for the moment. I still believe that the stretch through Bloomington should be made into a freeway-like highway (interchange at Tapp, bridges at the other crossings.) Also, one other thought, I wonder if we can just build a freeway bypass around Martinsville, similar to the new US 31 around the current US 31 around Kokomo.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 02, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
According to Wikipedia here are the exit numbers

I64                    21
SR57/68            22
SR168                27
SR64                  33
SR56/61             46
SR 356              not nubmered yet and may not be an exit
US50-150          62

does anyone know the exit numbers for the state road 58 exit and the 231 exit

it looks like there will be a 13 mile stretch with no exits between 64 and 56 and 16 miles from 56 to 50/150

That is a long stretch between exits, makes you wonder if they plan to add exits between at a later date or put a rest stop in between one of those.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 02, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on November 02, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
According to Wikipedia here are the exit numbers

I64                    21
SR57/68            22
SR168                27
SR64                  33
SR56/61             46
SR 356              not nubmered yet and may not be an exit
US50-150          62

does anyone know the exit numbers for the state road 58 exit and the 231 exit

it looks like there will be a 13 mile stretch with no exits between 64 and 56 and 16 miles from 56 to 50/150

That is a long stretch between exits, makes you wonder if they plan to add exits between at a later date or put a rest stop in between one of those.

1) SR 356 does not have an interchange, and AFAIK, none was ever planned for it. I saw a newspaper article say the same thing so they must read Wikipedia, too.
2) I-64 and SR 68 exit numbers you show are based on I-164. When the first short section opened, SR 68 was marked as exit 22, but subsequently, the text was removed from the sign (the exit tab has no text at all). This was still the case when I went down on October 20. I assume it would be a mile less than it was.
3) North of US 50:

  76   SR 58 (Odon-Elnora)
  87   US 231 (Bloomfield-Crane)
  98   SR 45
104   SR 445
114   SR 37

4) Future exits are planned north of Petersburg (not SR 356) and north of Washington (I think this one would have a rest area at the interchange). These are likely years away from reality.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 03, 2012, 05:49:24 PM
Thanks a lot, where did you find the exit numbers?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 02, 2012, 12:08:01 PM
The Hoosier Heartland project is supposed to be finished next year, of course it will be finished before the Bloomington-Indy connection is, hell it will be finished before the Bloomington-Crane connection is done. SR 37 from B-town to Indy is already an expressway, it's the conversion to freeway status that will be the issue. You have to find a way to make the highway limited-access which means that all those who do live off of SR 37 or have businesses on 37 will have to be dealt with. That is where the extra money is going to be needed. That's why the I-70/US 41 option was not a good idea, you'd have to freeway-ize US 41 from Terre Haute to I-64, a longer distance than SR 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis.

The one thing that might, MIGHT make this a decent option for the short term, leaving SR 37 as it is, is the fact that even once I-69 is built to Bloomington, it is still not a cross-country highway. With large chunks left in Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas (I'm generalizing here, I know some parts are finished) it will still be a long time before I-69 becomes a true cross-country highway in a way like I-5, I-25, I-75 and I-95. Traffic on the new I-69 I am going to guess won't be incrediably high, maybe similar to I-64 and I-74 across Indiana, so SR 37 will be okay for the moment. I still believe that the stretch through Bloomington should be made into a freeway-like highway (interchange at Tapp, bridges at the other crossings.) Also, one other thought, I wonder if we can just build a freeway bypass around Martinsville, similar to the new US 31 around the current US 31 around Kokomo.
I take it back. With all the protests going on along IN 37 as well as the not-yet-begun Ohio River Bridges project, in addition to the issues cited above, there may never be a cross-country I-69 for decades. I'll take another shot in the dark and say that I-73 from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach will be finished before the Bloomington-Indy segment of I-69 ever is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 03, 2012, 09:39:02 PM
if they raise the speed limit on 37 to 70mph and close off all the driveways and build bridges or close off side roads that would be fine for a while
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: digitalphiltv on November 04, 2012, 01:36:06 AM
While a completed run from Evansville to Indy via I-69 would be nice, I currently could care less... All I really wanted to see was the "proper"  ... uhm ...  :pan: ... mileage and exit numbers  :spin: ... going up between Indy and Michigan. Any number greater than zero at I-465 gives a sign that I-69 is a freeway waiting to happen. I do wish they would have been more exact with the new numbers though. Adding 200 is just lazy... Do you hear me INDOT... I said YOU ARE LAZY :-)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 04, 2012, 01:54:40 AM
It's not that INDOT is lazy, it's that they assume regular people are. The whole point of the 200 thing was to make it easier on people who couldn't do the math from 184. But I've dicussed this before, all I will hope for is that they change the numbers again once the entire interstate is finished plus the Ohio River Bridges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on November 04, 2012, 09:00:44 AM
I doubt they will.  If I were INDOT, I'd make the number such that they would incorporate that section without changes.  Why resign multiple times?

Plus that would be more confusing than just doing it right the first time.  In the IT world it's called "legacy deadwood", and we're stuck with it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 04, 2012, 10:29:46 AM
Utah did a useless renumbering several years ago, changing numbers by 1 or 2 to match the as-built mileage. Alabama did something similar to I-565.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 04, 2012, 10:47:34 AM
Very recently, a similar thing happened to the Natcher Parkway in Kentucky, over two extra miles of new highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on November 04, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
Why bother renumbering it?  If the mileage and exit numbers for 69 are done as for 74 on the 465 overlap, hidden under 465's mileage and exit numbers, even resetting at zero at the southern 65 interchange, it isn't going to be a big deal.  The exact routing is unknown for sure right now but the exits on existing 69 had to be numbered to avoid duplication with new 69.  Numbering with too much slack instead of too little was sensible so there wouldn't wind up being duplication if the final segments built were longer than expected.  200 made sense to make the math instant so people can just drive instead of spending one millisecond on addition.

If the exact final routing of 69 all the way were known now, then so would the mileage and then the exact mileage could have been added on to existing 69.  But with so many unknowns, they had to leave some slack.  Renumbering new exit numbers to account for a couple miles difference is silly when that will introduce new new exit numbers that may duplicate old new exit numbers.  Tennessee rerouted I-40 and wound up with mile 1, mile 1A, mile 1B to fudge and not have to renumber everything....Indiana isn't doing anything worse.  How much traffic is following all of I-69?  It's probably not enough to worry that much about renumbering miles and exits again and again, especially with the 465 overlap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 05, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Did INDOT ever consider building the Bloomington to Indy portion of the road on new alignment? I can't find historical info on route alternatives on the project web site.

It would be interesting to see a cost comparison. At first blush, you'd think that new alignment would cost a lot more, but there are some mitigating factors:

Does anyone know about whether a new alignment was considered?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 05, 2012, 09:40:38 PM
Checked out the I-69 construction at various points today between Evansville and Crane. Workers were out in full-force, but they are still going to have to hustle to get the road open to US 231 by Thanksgiving.

Looks like the control city for northbound I-69 is going to be "I-69 north," best I could tell from what little lettering was revealed on the signs that are up but covered over.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 05, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Eventually the control city should be Indianapolis, though Bloomington may be used in the short term.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 05, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Obviously Crane wasn't considered a prominent enough berg to qualify as a control city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 05, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: theline on November 05, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Did INDOT ever consider building the Bloomington to Indy portion of the road on new alignment? I can't find historical info on route alternatives on the project web site.

It would be interesting to see a cost comparison. At first blush, you'd think that new alignment would cost a lot more, but there are some mitigating factors:

  • Along the SR-37 route, ROW would have to be purchased most of the way for frontage roads, exits, etc. I'd think that ROW, including existing homes and businesses, would be much more expensive per acre than along a new alignment.
  • Fewer exits would be required along new alignment, and less critical ones could have construction deferred. Local motorists rely on SR-37 and will still need access if it's converted, leading to many more exits than on a new road.
  • New alignment would permit a toll option, if funding can't be found. It was pointed out up-thread that users would mightily object if free SR-37 were converted to a toll road. A new alignment allows 37 to remain free.
  • Upgrading the existing road would be highly disruptive to existing traffic, and nearby residents and businesses. Not so for the new alignment. (Not a direct cost to the government, but still a cost factor.)

Does anyone know about whether a new alignment was considered?

Of course, but in some areas like Bloomington it makes no sense at all.

Quote
INDOT has suggested that the current northbound lanes of SR37 could become an access road for businesses along the east side of I-69. Businesses such as Oliver Winery, Worm's Way, and Thompson Furniture would use those roads to connect with an interchange of I-69.

The current southbound lane of SR37 would then be upgraded to interstate specifications and used at the new northbound lanes, and a new set of southbound lanes would be built to the west.

INDOT Taking Input On I-69 Details (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-input-i69-details-29487/) (from April)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on November 06, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on March 01, 2012, 10:23:47 AM
Indiana Public Media (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-officials-propose-i69sr-37-interchange-options-27386/) reports (with plan diagrams) that INDOT is proposing two I-69/ SR 37 interchange options

This November 1 Indiana Public Media article (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/local-company-wins-bid-build-trumpet-i69-interchange-39184/) reports that the trumpet option has been chosen and that a contractor has been selected to build it:

Quote
Bloomington based Crider & Crider Inc. will build the interchange that will connect Interstate 69 to S.R. 37 just south of Bloomington.
After looking at several options, the Indiana Department of Transportation decided on a "˜trumpet' style of interchange for the road.
According to a release from INDOT, the trumpet will allow traffic to move through the interchange at a higher speed than some of the other designs that were previously on the table.
The interchange saw a bit of controversy last year when some members of the Bloomington, Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization accused INDOT and federal highway officials of wanting to put a stoplight there, instead of interstate style on/off ramps. INDOT says the stoplight plan has been off the table for some time.
The intersection will cost around $29 million to build, which according to INDOT, is about 10-percent less than an engineer's original estimate. The stretch of I-69 from NSA Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open by 2014. INDOT says the next section of the road, which will connect Bloomington to Martinsville, could begin construction by 2013.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfMHq7.jpg&hash=19a256ce16dd0bf944ac9b1a3294d9e273890faf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 06, 2012, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 05, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Eventually the control city should be Indianapolis, though Bloomington may be used in the short term.

It is demountable copy, so the change should be OK. However, they could have used Indianapolis anyway, because there are a couple of options from Crane to Indy that are do-able.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 06, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
Drove over 69 via CR 200 N in Daviess County yesterday and noticed the center line is striped and guard-railing is in place.
Also, the majority of the paving is complete at the US 50 interchange. There are still a few small areas that still need concrete, but I'd say that will be complete this week. Today, they were asphalting the median of US 50. From what I could tell, the ramps are done except for the shoulders. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 06, 2012, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 05, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: theline on November 05, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Did INDOT ever consider building the Bloomington to Indy portion of the road on new alignment? I can't find historical info on route alternatives on the project web site.

It would be interesting to see a cost comparison. At first blush, you'd think that new alignment would cost a lot more, but there are some mitigating factors:

  • Along the SR-37 route, ROW would have to be purchased most of the way for frontage roads, exits, etc. I'd think that ROW, including existing homes and businesses, would be much more expensive per acre than along a new alignment.
  • Fewer exits would be required along new alignment, and less critical ones could have construction deferred. Local motorists rely on SR-37 and will still need access if it's converted, leading to many more exits than on a new road.
  • New alignment would permit a toll option, if funding can't be found. It was pointed out up-thread that users would mightily object if free SR-37 were converted to a toll road. A new alignment allows 37 to remain free.
  • Upgrading the existing road would be highly disruptive to existing traffic, and nearby residents and businesses. Not so for the new alignment. (Not a direct cost to the government, but still a cost factor.)

Does anyone know about whether a new alignment was considered?

Of course, but in some areas like Bloomington it makes no sense at all.


Agreed. The only sensible route through Bloomington is along the existing SR-37. I was arguing that new terrain north of Bloomington should be considered.

I didn't see any alternatives using new terrain for areas north of Bloomington, except the last few miles south of 465. Was it ever considered?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 06, 2012, 06:25:56 PM
Several routes were considered at the outset (back in the early 2000s), the current route was selected by INDOT, and was then approved by the Feds. Making a major change at this late stage, would be problematic and would probably be a last resort option. Of course the CARR people still want the route changed to follow US 41 and I-70. For them, hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 06, 2012, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 06, 2012, 06:25:56 PM
Several routes were considered at the outset (back in the early 2000s), the current route was selected by INDOT, and was then approved by the Feds. Making a major change at this late stage, would be problematic and would probably be a last resort option. Of course the CARR people still want the route changed to follow US 41 and I-70. For them, hope springs eternal.

The US 41/ I-70 route never made any sense, its current routing is the most logical.  Also I believe that the previous idea was a roundabout interchange at SR 37.  I personally think that was a terrible idea, the trumpet is much better for high speed travel. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 07, 2012, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 04, 2012, 01:54:40 AM
It's not that INDOT is lazy, it's that they assume regular people are. The whole point of the 200 thing was to make it easier on people who couldn't do the math from 184. But I've dicussed this before, all I will hope for is that they change the numbers again once the entire interstate is finished plus the Ohio River Bridges.
I'm sure they will.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 07, 2012, 10:56:30 AM
Or they could make the exit numbers on the new part of I-69 be off by the same amount, so they start at ~15 in Evansville...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 07, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 06, 2012, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 06, 2012, 06:25:56 PM
Several routes were considered at the outset (back in the early 2000s), the current route was selected by INDOT, and was then approved by the Feds. Making a major change at this late stage, would be problematic and would probably be a last resort option. Of course the CARR people still want the route changed to follow US 41 and I-70. For them, hope springs eternal.

The US 41/ I-70 route never made any sense, its current routing is the most logical.  Also I believe that the previous idea was a roundabout interchange at SR 37.  I personally think that was a terrible idea, the trumpet is much better for high speed travel.

"[T]he CARR people"? Who are they? I missed something.

A roundabout at SR-37? I'd like some of whatever they were smoking when they thought that up. I'd have to move to Colorado though.  :spin:
Thank goodness they reconsidered.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on November 07, 2012, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on March 01, 2012, 10:23:47 AM
Indiana Public Media (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-officials-propose-i69sr-37-interchange-options-27386/) reports (with plan diagrams) that INDOT is proposing two I-69/ SR 37 interchange options
Quote from: theline on November 07, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
A roundabout at SR-37? I'd like some of whatever they were smoking when they thought that up.

FWIW here is the roundabout design that had been under consideration:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlirrL.jpg&hash=f711d97e08b23bf0f687133a77ab52c6a753f561) (http://imgur.com/lirrL)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 07, 2012, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 07, 2012, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on March 01, 2012, 10:23:47 AM
Indiana Public Media (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-officials-propose-i69sr-37-interchange-options-27386/) reports (with plan diagrams) that INDOT is proposing two I-69/ SR 37 interchange options


The captions on the pictures are reversed, right? It's the roundabouts that cost less, but require traffic to slow to 20 MPH. The trumpet allows traffic to continue close to freeway speed, but is more expensive. That's the only way it makes sense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 07, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: theline on November 07, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
"[T]he CARR people"? Who are they? I missed something.

CARR = Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads

They are the very outspoken I-69 people led by Tom Tokarski. Almost any article about I-69 in Indiana quotes this group.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 07, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Chumps
Against
Real
Roads
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 08, 2012, 02:17:17 PM
Thanks for the explanation mukade, and also for the alternate name Shawn.

I must confess that I skip over the drivel from the folks stuck in the horse-and-buggy days. I'm content that they'll eventually run out of gas and progress will happen anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 08, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
As I said before it will only be a matter of time before these CARR people are driving on I-69. I sooooooo want a picture of that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: theline on November 08, 2012, 02:17:17 PM
I must confess that I skip over the drivel from the folks stuck in the horse-and-buggy days. I'm content that they'll eventually run out of gas and progress will happen anyway.
Actually horse-and-buggy owners will be well off when gas runs out. :spin:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 08, 2012, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 08, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: theline on November 08, 2012, 02:17:17 PM
I must confess that I skip over the drivel from the folks stuck in the horse-and-buggy days. I'm content that they'll eventually run out of gas and progress will happen anyway.
Actually horse-and-buggy owners will be well off when gas runs out. :spin:

Good one, but I was really referring to the gas-bags running out of gas, not their horseless carriages.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 08, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 07, 2012, 04:58:04 PM
FWIW here is the roundabout design that had been under consideration:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlirrL.jpg&hash=f711d97e08b23bf0f687133a77ab52c6a753f561) (http://imgur.com/lirrL)

That looks like it was drawn freehand.  With great skill, but freehand nonetheless.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 08, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
^ Yes, a very skillful hand drawing. The artist must be some old fart like me, who has always been doing his drawings by hand.

I know it's a moot point, since the trumpet interchange has been selected by INDOT, but I wonder what purpose is served by the two segments that I've marked in red below. If those are removed, the circle is unneeded and that part of the road can be straightened out.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2v12e7d.jpg&hash=e623097f82237a850c55b352cf908f43f5ad10c0)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
At least in the short term, those would be useful for local traffic on SR 37 needing to U-turn.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on November 08, 2012, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 08, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 07, 2012, 04:58:04 PM
FWIW here is the roundabout design that had been under consideration:
http://imgur.com/lirrL (http://imgur.com/lirrL)

That looks like it was drawn freehand.  With great skill, but freehand nonetheless.
Ehhhh. I'd say it was drawn BY hand, but using straightedges and French or English curves. (I think those are like French and English horns.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 08, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 08, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
At least in the short term, those would be useful for local traffic on SR 37 needing to U-turn.

I don't think so. Unless I'm seeing this wrong, I-69 is running from the upper left corner to the lower right corner. NB traffic roughly going left to right. SB traffic from right to left. SR-37 approaches from the lower left of the drawing. If a motorist wants to U-turn on 37, he/she just continues across the bridge, looping around the upper roundabout, comes back across the bridge and continues to the lower left. The red segments don't come into play.

The red segments would only be used under two unlikely circumstances: a SB motorist on 69 (right to left) who wants to U-turn to go back north, or a NB motorist on 69 (left to right) who exits and changes his mind, returning to NB 69. I don't think you build roads for either instance.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2012, 10:14:05 PM
In the short term I-69 will end here. To the right on the map will be only SR 37 until it's upgraded.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 09, 2012, 11:06:36 AM
I would guess that design is meant to allow for another local road connection in the future on the west side of I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 09, 2012, 04:08:36 PM
^ Good point. I give. If they had built the intersection with roundabouts, it would have been a good idea to build them on both sides.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 09, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
Traffic Patterns will Change on U.S. Route 50

WASHINGTON, Ind. -- The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) is announcing that on Monday, November 12, traffic patterns will again change on U.S. Route 50 Washington's east side.

Sometime after morning rush hour, all four lanes (two east bound and two west bound) of U.S. 50 will now be available for motorists traveling through the area.   

The work in this area has been a part of the I-69 Section 2 corridor construction from the White River to just north of U.S. 50.  The contract was awarded to Walsh Construction, Inc. of LaPorte, Indiana in February of 2011.

I-69 from I-64 in Gibson County to U.S. 231 in Greene County is scheduled to be open to the afternoon hours on Monday, November 19.


Contractors were hanging signs off the overpass this afternoon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 09, 2012, 09:52:17 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 09, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
I-69 from I-64 in Gibson County to U.S. 231 in Greene County is scheduled to be open to the afternoon hours on Monday, November 19.

Based on what I saw on Monday, they are really going to have to hustle to get it done by then.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 12, 2012, 05:42:33 PM
Funny that after INDOT was criticized for offering too little for land...

Documents raise questions about price of I-69 land purchases (http://www.ibj.com/documents-raise-questions-about-i-69-land-purchases/PARAMS/article/37840) (IBJ)

Then again, the Indy Star has been less than objective on its I-69 coverage.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 12, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 09, 2012, 09:52:17 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 09, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
I-69 from I-64 in Gibson County to U.S. 231 in Greene County is scheduled to be open to the afternoon hours on Monday, November 19.

Based on what I saw on Monday, they are really going to have to hustle to get it done by then.

Yea, it wasn't open this afternoon at around 4. It looks complete, except for striping. Contractors were erecting signs (stop, one-way, I-69 shields, etc.) when I drove through at that time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Chris on November 16, 2012, 07:06:11 AM
I was wondering about the I-69 opening next Monday. It is a 67-mile segment that opens. This must be one of the biggest single freeway openings in a very long time. How long ago did a similar or longer freeway open to traffic? It may well be in the 1980s or before I think?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on November 16, 2012, 08:29:20 AM
The 1988 opening of I-64 in West Virginia was 36 miles: http://goo.gl/maps/lI9Nz. But it's no 67-miler.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
I know what I am doing Monday.

Good to be the boss and sked yourself for a historic moment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 16, 2012, 03:45:43 PM
I have to work Monday and Tuesday, but come Wednesday I'll be making an impromptu visit to Evansville. I wonder what road I might take....
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 16, 2012, 03:54:59 PM
I have to work Monday-Wednesday, and it would be a 5-hour round trip for me, so I can't just do it after work some day and don't know how soon I can find time to make the trip. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
Totally off subject but I was on Lewis and Clark Parkway today. Had a green light right by Kroger and had just hit the gas. 3 cars ran in front of me headed north bound turning from west bound Lewis and Clark. Cabiness have you ever had problems there? Is it bad light timing or just fools who can't drive. I missed the second car by 3-5 inches after jamming up the brakes. Ok enough thread hijacking........
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 16, 2012, 07:28:36 PM
Quote from: Chris on November 16, 2012, 07:06:11 AM
I was wondering about the I-69 opening next Monday. It is a 67-mile segment that opens. This must be one of the biggest single freeway openings in a very long time. How long ago did a similar or longer freeway open to traffic? It may well be in the 1980s or before I think?

Maybe this question should be in the General Highway category, since it would be interesting if a longer segment has opened anywhere in the country.

Quote from: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
Totally off subject . . . Lewis and Clark Parkway

Really? I hardly noticed.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 16, 2012, 10:21:10 PM
An interesting and well-written article from the Princeton Daily Clarion: http://www.tristate-media.com/pdclarion/article_bd7eece6-2faf-11e2-aaff-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.tristate-media.com/pdclarion/article_bd7eece6-2faf-11e2-aaff-0019bb2963f4.html)

Quoteweather will dictate whether the governor rides his motorcycle in a parade ride from the Ind. 68 exchange to the next celebration at 10:40 a.m. near Washington, and on to the third celebration at 12:50 p.m. at Crane.

QuoteINDOT officials said this summer that more than 47 million pounds of reinforcing steel will be used in the bridges in the first three sections of the highway, equal to the weight of more than 11,000 Toyota Sienna minivans made near Princeton.

Nearly 115,000 cubic yards of structural concrete (enough to fill up Lucas Oil Stadium six times) is used.

Laid end-to-end, the number of beams used to build the first three sections of the project would circle the Indianapolis Motor Speedway more than nine times.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 16, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
My daughter will be returning to South Bend from Evansville for the holiday. I've suggested she use the new road, though I don't know if she will. She's not as adventurous as most of us geeks.   :angry:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on November 17, 2012, 04:38:08 AM
I grew up in the Evansville area but now live in South Carolina. For those testing out the new road next week, please post pictures if you can. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 17, 2012, 07:34:09 AM
Quote from: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
I know what I am doing Monday.

Good to be the boss and sked yourself for a historic moment.

With SR 25, it finally opened after dark, long after the ribbon cutting ceremonies. I wonder what time I-69 will actually open to traffic.

EDIT - I noticed that it opens at 5:00pm in this article (http://www.tristate-media.com/pdclarion/article_bd7eece6-2faf-11e2-aaff-0019bb2963f4.html).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 17, 2012, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: ShawnP on November 16, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
Totally off subject but I was on Lewis and Clark Parkway today. Had a green light right by Kroger and had just hit the gas. 3 cars ran in front of me headed north bound turning from west bound Lewis and Clark. Cabiness have you ever had problems there? Is it bad light timing or just fools who can't drive. I missed the second car by 3-5 inches after jamming up the brakes. Ok enough thread hijacking........

I don't go that far down L&C very often because I'm closer to the Kroger in Jeff, but I don't remember any problems specifically at that intersection.  But yes, there are a lot of fools who can't drive around here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 17, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
When I go down there, it will be during the day on Wednesday, specifically so I can get pictures that I will send to the webmasters here on AARoads. So, hopefully they'll be up on the website in no time. And the weather looks to be great that day, which is a plus this time of year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on November 17, 2012, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 17, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
When I go down there, it will be during the day on Wednesday, specifically so I can get pictures that I will send to the webmasters here on AARoads. So, hopefully they'll be up on the website in no time. And the weather looks to be great that day, which is a plus this time of year.

We'll prioritize posting those too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 18, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
Some section 5 news, an editorial, and some facts and figures on the project (thanks to Indiana Economic Digest publishing Herald Times articles):


I think the plan is still to begin section 5 work in 2013. That may only be land acquisition or they may award bids for small projects.  It depends on finding a funding source, of course, but it seems to be a bipartisan priority.
Title: New I-69 opens Monday; Gov. Mitch Daniels to lead parade on motorcycle
Post by: mukade on November 18, 2012, 10:14:35 PM
First thing of note is that this article says the road opens at 6:00 pm tomorrow, not 5:00 pm (in case anyone is going). Being the Indy Star, they have to devote a good portion to Tom Tokarski and CARR, but there is some interesting information in there.

New I-69 opens Monday; Gov. Mitch Daniels to lead parade on motorcycle (http://www.indystar.com/article/20121118/NEWS/211180357/New-69-opens-Monday-Gov-Mitch-Daniels-lead-parade-motorcycle?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CIndyStar.com) (Indianapolis Star)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 18, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
I was reading that about CARR and its leader, I actually didn't know that he had property along the new I-69 route. I'm sure I know the answer to this...but is that the real reason for his wanting to keep the interstate out? Is his argument more self-interest than anything else?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 18, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 18, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
I was reading that about CARR and its leader, I actually didn't know that he had property along the new I-69 route. I'm sure I know the answer to this...but is that the real reason for his wanting to keep the interstate out? Is his argument more self-interest than anything else?
One of the early promoters of I-69 owns property along the route, I believe at the US 50 interchange. Don't ignore his self-interest.

There's a recent book about I-69 that I recommend; it seems to cover both sides fairly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 19, 2012, 12:19:22 AM
Most people's arguments about most things are probably at least rooted in self-interest, if not entirely self-serving.  Like this one time I saw a guy having trouble pushing his vehicle at a gas station: I got out and helped him push – because he was in my way.  Not a perfect example, as that was an action and not an argument, and I might well have helped the guy even if it didn't immediately helped me, but it's a fun anecdote for me to tell. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 19, 2012, 07:18:26 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 18, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 18, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
I was reading that about CARR and its leader, I actually didn't know that he had property along the new I-69 route. I'm sure I know the answer to this...but is that the real reason for his wanting to keep the interstate out? Is his argument more self-interest than anything else?
One of the early promoters of I-69 owns property along the route, I believe at the US 50 interchange. Don't ignore his self-interest.

There's a recent book about I-69 that I recommend; it seems to cover both sides fairly.

The person from Washington who kicked off the campaign to build I-69 may benefit financially, but the state and the majority of people in the region also will benefit. Nothing wrong with what he did - all he did was to make a case to legislators and other business leaders. I would say almost every project is kicked off by self interest to some extent. An example of what would be wrong is what former Speaker Dennis Hastert apparently did which was to buy a bunch of land, and then earmark money for a highway nearby. The problem with Tom Tokarski and CARR is they tend to consistently greatly exagerrate, at best, or lie (at least in my opinion). Their predictions have consistently been wrong and they use scare tactics to try to make points.

The documentary which aired on local PBS stations, which is somewhat based on the book, is also not bad. Everyone recognizes there are two sides to the story, but as the primary story today is I-69 is ready to open, is it appropriate to devote that much space (once again) to this person and his oragnization?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on November 19, 2012, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 18, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
Some section 5 news, an editorial, and some facts and figures on the project (thanks to Indiana Economic Digest publishing Herald Times articles):


  • Section 5 of I-69 could displace 150 homes, 32 business and one church (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=67428) (Bloomington Herald-Times)


Am I the only one that finds 1) the headline completely different than the article (Could vs. Will), and 2) completely inaccurate?  The DEIS is a worst case scenario, designed to find the maximum impact the road will have.  The article states that it "will displace 150 homes, 32 businesses, and one church".  Is that absolute?  I remember in the DEIS for I-465NE in Indy, most of the office buildings between I-465 & Shadeland were highlighted as possible takes, but it ended up that no R/W was even needed along that area.  It sounds to me like the Bloomington paper is trying to make it sound worse than it'll actually be, but am I totally off-base here?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 19, 2012, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: trafficsignal on November 19, 2012, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 18, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
Some section 5 news, an editorial, and some facts and figures on the project (thanks to Indiana Economic Digest publishing Herald Times articles):


  • Section 5 of I-69 could displace 150 homes, 32 business and one church (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=67428) (Bloomington Herald-Times)


Am I the only one that finds 1) the headline completely different than the article (Could vs. Will), and 2) completely inaccurate?  The DEIS is a worst case scenario, designed to find the maximum impact the road will have.  The article states that it "will displace 150 homes, 32 businesses, and one church".  Is that absolute?  I remember in the DEIS for I-465NE in Indy, most of the office buildings between I-465 & Shadeland were highlighted as possible takes, but it ended up that no R/W was even needed along that area.  It sounds to me like the Bloomington paper is trying to make it sound worse than it'll actually be, but am I totally off-base here?

As I-69 would be routed along IN 37, it would be better off using an upgraded portion of the existing roadway, rather than a parallel new-terrain alignment, as this is the only direct connection from Bloomington to Indy anyway. But time will tell.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: WrkHrse on November 19, 2012, 04:24:49 PM
First 67 mile extension Northward opens by 1800 Monday, Nov. 19th. Interstate will be open between I-64 and US-231.

http://www.wthr.com/story/20133259/indiana-ready-to-open-first-half-of-i-69-extension
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 19, 2012, 04:39:55 PM
Almost time  :colorful:!! Just drove through interchange at US 50. Covers are removed from the BGS and INDOT workers are parked at each ramp, ready to remove the barricades!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 19, 2012, 04:44:10 PM
Who gets the first speeding ticket.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on November 19, 2012, 04:46:09 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 19, 2012, 07:18:26 AM
The problem with Tom Tokarski and CARR is they tend to consistently greatly exagerrate, at best, or lie (at least in my opinion). Their predictions have consistently been wrong and they use scare tactics to try to make points.
The documentary which aired on local PBS stations, which is somewhat based on the book, is also not bad.

For those who have not viewed the documentary, here is a link to it:

http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/special-features/i-69-are-we-there-yet/video/

The link includes a Q & A session with a three-person panel, including Tokarski, after the documentary is finished.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 19, 2012, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 19, 2012, 11:44:22 AM
As I-69 would be routed along IN 37, it would be better off using an upgraded portion of the existing roadway, rather than a parallel new-terrain alignment, as this is the only direct connection from Bloomington to Indy anyway. But time will tell.

Part of the existing road will become a frontage road for some key businesses. Most of the existing SR 37 roadway will become I-69, but hopefully, it will all get rebuilt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 19, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
There are numerous articles in the press today, but the Bloomington Herald article below has some interesting pictures of where section 4 begins.


Tomorrow, there will be special letting that includes the last contract on section 4 of I-69. All original bids were rejected for being too high a couple of months ago. This is an expensive section due to the rugged terrain.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 19, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
OSM now shows the highway complete and open to US 231.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 19, 2012, 04:46:09 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 19, 2012, 07:18:26 AM
The problem with Tom Tokarski and CARR is they tend to consistently greatly exagerrate, at best, or lie (at least in my opinion). Their predictions have consistently been wrong and they use scare tactics to try to make points.
The documentary which aired on local PBS stations, which is somewhat based on the book, is also not bad.

For those who have not viewed the documentary, here is a link to it:

http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/special-features/i-69-are-we-there-yet/video/

The link includes a Q & A session with a three-person panel including Tokarski after the documentary is finished.

Thanks for the link to the documentary. Does anyone have info on the book, like title & author?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 19, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
OSM now shows the highway complete and open to US 231.

Only parts of it, so far.  :-/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
Thanks for the link to the documentary. Does anyone have info on the book, like title & author?
http://www.mattdellinger.com/i69/about.html
My local library has it for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
Thanks for the link to the documentary. Does anyone have info on the book, like title & author?
http://www.mattdellinger.com/i69/about.html
My local library has it for whatever reason.

Thanks. It's not available in the South Bend library, alas. Maybe I'll ask Santa for it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2012, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
Thanks for the link to the documentary. Does anyone have info on the book, like title & author?
http://www.mattdellinger.com/i69/about.html
My local library has it for whatever reason.

Thanks. It's not available in the South Bend library, alas. Maybe I'll ask Santa for it.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/interstate-69-the-unfinished-history-of-the-last-great-american-highway/oclc/464593120&referer=brief_results
Looks like several public libraries near South Bend have it, as well as Notre Dame. http://sjcpl.lib.in.us/policies/publicpolicy/psmanual.html#ill says that the South Bend library has interlibrary loan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 19, 2012, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
Thanks for the link to the documentary. Does anyone have info on the book, like title & author?
http://www.mattdellinger.com/i69/about.html
My local library has it for whatever reason.

Thanks. It's not available in the South Bend library, alas. Maybe I'll ask Santa for it.

From Amazon:

8 new from $0.14
43 used from $0.01

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 19, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
So which road geek will get the first speeding ticket?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 19, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/live-chat-interstate-69-opens-40347/

Lots of photos here

As far as the process of upgrading SR 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis to I-69, it's definitely needed as the traffic on that segment is defintely more than on I-74 outside of I-465, and probably more than most of I-70 outside of I-465.  Getting the SR 37 Bloomington bypass up to Interstate standards would probably be my next step if I was in charge after the Crane to Bloomington segment is done if they can't get the funding to do the whole Bloomington to Martinsville segment at once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 19, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 19, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
OSM now shows the highway complete and open to US 231.

Only parts of it, so far.  :-/

Beware of outdated slippy map tiles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 19, 2012, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 19, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 19, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
OSM now shows the highway complete and open to US 231.

Only parts of it, so far.  :-/

Beware of outdated slippy map tiles.
I've not looked at OSM before. Do I need to do something to update it or is this something better aaked at that site?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 19, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 19, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: theline on November 19, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: vtk on November 19, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
OSM now shows the highway complete and open to US 231.

Only parts of it, so far.  :-/

Beware of outdated slippy map tiles.
I've not looked at OSM before. Do I need to do something to update it or is this something better aaked at that site?

Just keep in mind that the map you see visually might not quite be up to date.  You might be able to provoke the site to re-render the tiles by using the refresh button on your browser (click the "view" tab once first so you're still looking at the same spot after the refresh) or even just panning and zooming a lot can lead to updating the tiles.

Of course, the road is only open to US 231.  The rest is still incomplete in reality.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 19, 2012, 11:14:25 PM
^ Thanks vtk. Your tips led me to the right view. Some of the segments were showing only as a dashed line, which I presume means "under construction" or "planned." The key gives no explanation of the dashed line. After enough panning and zooming, I got the entire completed road to appear. The road from Crane to Bloomington showed as dashed line, which makes sense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 20, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
How long until we get a roadgeek video of somebody driving the new segment of I-69? :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lamsalfl on November 20, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
The people at Google have been working all morning to show I-69 now that it be open.  Around 7:00 CT this morning all there was was a floating I-69 shield with no road.  Now there are some pieces in place around Oakland City.  I refresh maybe every half hour to see they've added more highway to the map. 

It shouldn't take them much time at all to show I-49 in Missouri when that opens next month since they just need to drop shields.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 20, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
I drove the length of the road. Obviously, it is very nice, but here are some observations:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 07:52:23 PM
I hope there are at least I-69 signs at the exits...are there? I also take it then that SR 45 is open, since I will likely take that route from Bloomington to US 231 in the morning. And speaking of signs, what signs ARE there?

Oh, and agreed that I-164 should go. If we are going to extend I-69 to Evansville, then let's take this seriously and "extend" I-69 to Evansville. Does someone have to lodge a protest to INDOT about this?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 20, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 20, 2012, 07:25:17 PM

  • No lighting or traffic lights at ramps exist.


There definitely needs to be lighting at the US 50 Interchange. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 20, 2012, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 07:52:23 PM
I hope there are at least I-69 signs at the exits...are there? I also take it then that SR 45 is open, since I will likely take that route from Bloomington to US 231 in the morning. And speaking of signs, what signs ARE there?

Oh, and agreed that I-164 should go. If we are going to extend I-69 to Evansville, then let's take this seriously and "extend" I-69 to Evansville. Does someone have to lodge a protest to INDOT about this?

The BGSes an I-69 shields are up. I saw no blue services signs, but then again, there are very few services.

SR 45 was still closed at SR 445, but it almost looked like it might open today. Lots of contractor trucks with lights flashing and guys in lime-green vests milling around at the barricades. Also, SR 445 detour signs were up and SR 45 detour signs were down. SR 445 is one dangerous road. It looks like it will be rebuilt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 20, 2012, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 20, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 20, 2012, 07:25:17 PM

  • No lighting or traffic lights at ramps exist.


There definitely needs to be lighting at the US 50 Interchange. 

Of course SR 68 interchange looks like a Christmas tree. It even stands out when seen from a plane.

Not sure whether lighting is planned or not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2012, 09:44:40 PM
I-164 will last until they build the bridge over the Ohio River.  That will be a very long time from now, but that's what I think is going to happen. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
So, just change all of I-164 into I-69 and route it as such, having it end at US 41. Even if it does last a while, most of that highway will be I-69 anyway, so all the guide signs and highway shields from say the SR 662 exit northward would never have to be changed again, leaving you only a few miles of highway that will need to be change when the time comes. That's still not a whole lot. Of course you could be very right, they'll leave it there just because.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2012, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
So, just change all of I-164 into I-69 and route it as such, having it end at US 41. Even if it does last a while, most of that highway will be I-69 anyway, so all the guide signs and highway shields from say the SR 662 exit northward would never have to be changed again, leaving you only a few miles of highway that will need to be change when the time comes. That's still not a whole lot. Of course you could be very right, they'll leave it there just because.

I agree with you, just change the whole thing, because when the bridge is built, the tiny east west part will be i-169.  Less things to change when the bridge is built. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
Judging from the TV news reports last night, there will be more signage to come.  Oakland City University is supposedly getting a BGS each way at the SR 64 exit, and blue services signs will be added as and where they're needed - the owner of the CountryMark station at the SR 68 & 57 junction told WFIE TV that he was getting one.  I feel fairly sure that lighting will be added later, too, although I'll have to check on that.

Oh, and for those who may have money riding on it (kidding!) - the first accident occurred around 9 Eastern time Monday night - about 4 hours after the road opened.  A motorcyclist from Washington, Ind. hit a deer near the 58 MM.  The guy wasn't injured, fortunately.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 20, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
So, just change all of I-164 into I-69 and route it as such, having it end at US 41. Even if it does last a while, most of that highway will be I-69 anyway, so all the guide signs and highway shields from say the SR 662 exit northward would never have to be changed again, leaving you only a few miles of highway that will need to be change when the time comes. That's still not a whole lot. Of course you could be very right, they'll leave it there just because.

I agree, but I think exit numbers will actually stay the same. SR 68 is back to exit 22 on I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 20, 2012, 10:13:19 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
Judging from the TV news reports last night, there will be more signage to come.  Oakland City University is supposedly getting a BGS each way at the SR 64 exit, and blue services signs will be added as and where they're needed - the owner of the CountryMark station at the SR 68 & 57 junction told WFIE TV that he was getting one. 

The Oakland City Univ/Patoka NWR sign is already up. One of the honorary bridge name signs was also up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 10:38:15 PM
The SR 64 exit is signed Princeton and Huntingburg isn't it? I wonder why Oakland City itself was left off, since I had figured that would be the Oakland City exit. Huntingburg isn't exactly close to I-69, but at least the university is mentioned at least.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 20, 2012, 10:39:09 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 20, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 20, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
So, just change all of I-164 into I-69 and route it as such, having it end at US 41. Even if it does last a while, most of that highway will be I-69 anyway, so all the guide signs and highway shields from say the SR 662 exit northward would never have to be changed again, leaving you only a few miles of highway that will need to be change when the time comes. That's still not a whole lot. Of course you could be very right, they'll leave it there just because.

I agree, but I think exit numbers will actually stay the same. SR 68 is back to exit 22 on I-69.
It makes perfect sense to travelers to convert 164 to 69 all the way to 41. And shouldn't the city fathers of Evansville prefer to have a 2di running right into their city. The cost to the state for signage would be reasonable. Nearly the entire length is going to be I-69 some day anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 20, 2012, 11:01:51 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 20, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
I drove the length of the road. Obviously, it is very nice, but here are some observations:

Are the exit numbers shown on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana#Exit_list) and OSM correct?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 20, 2012, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 20, 2012, 11:01:51 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 20, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
I drove the length of the road. Obviously, it is very nice, but here are some observations:

Are the exit numbers shown on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana#Exit_list) and OSM correct?

The exit numbers all look right based on what I remember.

INDOT plans show exit numbers for future SR 45, SR 445, and SR 37
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: treichard on November 21, 2012, 09:19:46 AM
The INDOT interchange book
http://www.in.gov/indot/div/interchange/i-164.htm
says that the I-64 & I-69 & I-164 interchange is Exit 20 instead of the previous Exit 21 number for I-164 and I-69.  Have the exit tabs been updated?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on November 21, 2012, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: lamsalfl on November 20, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
The people at Google have been working all morning to show I-69 now that it be open.  Around 7:00 CT this morning all there was was a floating I-69 shield with no road.  Now there are some pieces in place around Oakland City.  I refresh maybe every half hour to see they've added more highway to the map. 

It shouldn't take them much time at all to show I-49 in Missouri when that opens next month since they just need to drop shields.
Why does it take Google so long?  They just need to change everything from "construction" to "freeway"; took OSM very little time!

Right now it only shows up on close zooms and has strange gaps.  The ICC had the zoom problem when it was built as well; it was only fixed this year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 21, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: theline on November 16, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
My daughter will be returning to South Bend from Evansville for the holiday. I've suggested she use the new road, though I don't know if she will. She's not as adventurous as most of us geeks.   :angry:

My daughter made it back to South Bend from Evansville, but she didn't try I-69. I'm just as glad she didn't, since she was driving at night. The chance of breaking down in the middle of nowhere at night makes a dad worry, no matter how mature and self-sufficient she is.   :paranoid:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 21, 2012, 03:36:25 PM
Is the US 50/150 interchange really a half diamond?  Or is Google still updating its map service?
Title: Photos of I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 21, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
This is a small sampling of my pictures:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-Elnora-3.jpg&hash=c7a353ff107ddeae77417e7c5d392e37726ca3db)
Southbound around dusk approaching Elnora where I-69 heads south

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69--SR64-1.jpg&hash=22ade4e752ca4899e9f6ad19569f41e644b7119d)
Northbound at SR 64

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69--SR58-1.jpg&hash=0dda65c7fedb4e42fd63f8364c3ce5aa64b9602f)
Northbound at SR 58

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69--US50-US150-1.jpg&hash=12ed6ef9286f80c2a201948c015fda581e619227)
Northbound at US 50



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 21, 2012, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 21, 2012, 03:36:25 PM
Is the US 50/150 interchange really a half diamond?  Or is Google still updating its map service?

It's a full diamond, mapping isn't updated.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 21, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
Just got back, to answer my own question on the previous page, I guess Oakland City is mentioned on the exit ramp itself. I can too confirm that US 50/150 is a full diamond, and probably in need of some traffic signals from what I saw, at least for the northbound ramp. I also noticed that all mentions of Petersburg at the interchange with I-64 and north at the SR 68 exit are gone, since Petersburg bound traffic will use the interstate to SR 56/61. I'm hoping that Indianapolis gets put up there in a couple of years when the extension to Bloomington. Finally, I saw nothing up about traffic using US 231 to reach I-70 at the Crane exit, not up yet I guess? Overall, a neat experience since I grew up just after the last interstates were being built in the state, so this was my first time of seeing an interstate in it's infancy. Once it's connected to SR 37 I think it will be getting much more use.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 21, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 21, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
Just got back, to answer my own question on the previous page, I guess Oakland City is mentioned on the exit ramp itself. I can too confirm that US 50/150 is a full diamond, and probably in need of some traffic signals from what I saw, at least for the northbound ramp. I also noticed that all mentions of Petersburg at the interchange with I-64 and north at the SR 68 exit are gone, since Petersburg bound traffic will use the interstate to SR 56/61. I'm hoping that Indianapolis gets put up there in a couple of years when the extension to Bloomington. Finally, I saw nothing up about traffic using US 231 to reach I-70 at the Crane exit, not up yet I guess? Overall, a neat experience since I grew up just after the last interstates were being built in the state, so this was my first time of seeing an interstate in it's infancy. Once it's connected to SR 37 I think it will be getting much more use.

When will the part to SR 37 be done?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 21, 2012, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 21, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
Just got back, to answer my own question on the previous page, I guess Oakland City is mentioned on the exit ramp itself. I can too confirm that US 50/150 is a full diamond, and probably in need of some traffic signals from what I saw, at least for the northbound ramp. I also noticed that all mentions of Petersburg at the interchange with I-64 and north at the SR 68 exit are gone, since Petersburg bound traffic will use the interstate to SR 56/61. I'm hoping that Indianapolis gets put up there in a couple of years when the extension to Bloomington. Finally, I saw nothing up about traffic using US 231 to reach I-70 at the Crane exit, not up yet I guess? Overall, a neat experience since I grew up just after the last interstates were being built in the state, so this was my first time of seeing an interstate in it's infancy. Once it's connected to SR 37 I think it will be getting much more use.

I was also wondering about that US 231 sign. I agree on the need for traffic light at US 50. I would say both northbound and southbound as that road is quite busy.

A warning to anyone going to see it - I saw many state police cars today. Some were clocking vehicles and some were just patroling.

Other pics:
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Not even all green directional signs are up as seen on SR 58 west of Odon

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Newly opened SR 45 at new SR 445 route and the I-69 Greene County connector

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I-69 continuing toward Bloomington after terminus at US 231 (the beginning of section 4)

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Northbound at SR 168 on a foggy morning
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 21, 2012, 05:49:16 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 21, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
When will the part to SR 37 be done?

By the end of 2014.

By the way, mukade, love the pics!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 21, 2012, 07:36:32 PM
I noticed the cops too, saw one pull over a vehicle outside of Petersburg this morning heading south and saw another with one pulled over heading north around Oakland City in the afternoon. I just kept it safe and stayed at 70 the whole time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 21, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
I don't know if you went down SR 37 in Bloomington, tdindy. I checked it out as the contract for the interchange was awarded a couple of months ago. There were several survey stakes marking where the orange construction signs will go up and an INDOT truck was parked at a house that will be demolished there. Unfortunately, nothing else. Also, where SR 54 will cross I-69 was underwhelming. The trees had all been cleared, but nothing else.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 21, 2012, 09:44:02 PM
I didn't go as far as the new interchange at SR 37, assuming there wasn't much there. I did drive SR 45 to Crane and saw the opening in the trees, but again assumed there wasn't much there to be seen.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on November 22, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
I found an excuse to take a work trip to Bloomington yesterday. Having spent many years driving every highway in Southern and Central Indiana frequently, it was a strange experience to be in my back yard and driving along a road that I had no idea what was around the next curve.

A couple of additional observations I had:

1. Not a single mileage sign along the route. I assume they are coming.

2. Thought it was a little odd that at US 50, they used Vincennes-Washington as the control cities at the interchange. With the route being on the east side of Washington, I would have assumed they would have used Loogootee and Washington. Isn't this pretty well the standard practice, one city in each direction?

I too think INDOT should go ahead and sign 69 along 164. It will eventually become 69, might as well go ahead and start the transition now. They could co-sign it with 164 for a year or so, then just drop the 164. In the meantime, will they add "To 69" shields at all the Evansville interchanges like they have now for "To 64"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 22, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
I won't be surprised to see Loogootee added at some future point, probably sooner rather than later. Ditto Oakland City at the SR 64 exit.  Vincennes District is pretty good about that.  I realize Gov. Daniels wanted INDOT to save money wherever possible, but leaving towns off the signs?  Sheesh ...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 22, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on November 22, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
I found an excuse to take a work trip to Bloomington yesterday. Having spent many years driving every highway in Southern and Central Indiana frequently, it was a strange experience to be in my back yard and driving along a road that I had no idea what was around the next curve.

And it is a beautiful road going through the rolling coal country with a lot of woods, flat farm country, and rolling farm country not unlike SW Wiscosin. Next phase will take it through actual hills. I drove it at dusk one way and through fog and haze the other, but I bet on a clear day you would have at least a couple beautiful vistas.

Quote from: Captain Jack on November 22, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
1. Not a single mileage sign along the route. I assume they are coming.

Interesting observation. I checked the online plans for three of the interchanges, and there are no mileage signs specified. In a way it makes sense to do that later as Bloomington and Indianapolis would surely eventually be used.

Quote from: Captain Jack on November 22, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
2. Thought it was a little odd that at US 50, they used Vincennes-Washington as the control cities at the interchange. With the route being on the east side of Washington, I would have assumed they would have used Loogootee and Washington. Isn't this pretty well the standard practice, one city in each direction?
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 22, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
I won't be surprised to see Loogootee added at some future point, probably sooner rather than later. Ditto Oakland City at the SR 64 exit.
I do not recall ever seeing a new highway with signs for more than two cities. Is there a regulation that requires that? Eventually, INDOT adds a third city at some interchanges, and it often looks ugly and amatuerish.

When I was in high school I lived near I-65 in Merrillville. At the time I-65 was about four years old and Merrillville became a town in 1971. At the US 30 interchange on I-65 in Merrillville, the control cities were Schererville and Valparaiso. This caused a lot of complaints because the exit was in Merrillville and because Merrillville was larger than the other cities at the time. When IN DOH replaced the signs in the 1980s, the control cities were changed to Merrillville and Valparaiso. Now I think they are Merrillville, Schererville, and Valparaiso. So it has to be a difficult decision for someone.

To be honest, the decision at SR 64 to omit Oakland City in favor of Huntingburg was more questionable to me.

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 22, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
I too think INDOT should go ahead and sign 69 along 164. It will eventually become 69, might as well go ahead and start the transition now. They could co-sign it with 164 for a year or so, then just drop the 164. In the meantime, will they add "To 69" shields at all the Evansville interchanges like they have now for "To 64"?
Sign it I-69 and "former I-164" maybe. I did not see even one I-69 trailblazer which was surprising.

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 22, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
I realize Gov. Daniels wanted INDOT to save money wherever possible, but leaving towns off the signs?  Sheesh ...
I doubt elimination of cities on signs was a cost saving factor at all - it is probably the regulation to only allow two. I suspect the main cost savings were eliminating/postponing the two interchanges, postponing the rest area, eliminating/postponing the highway lighting at interchanges, and having narrower medians. The road itself looked to be high quality to me. I guess the decision was made to get something done ASAP because it was now or never. It is always easier to come in and add things later, and I expect that will happen when traffic warrants.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 22, 2012, 09:54:18 AM
I picked daylight hours to drive the highway in both directions, on purpose, so I got to see the views both ways. It was foggy for the trip south (done in the morning to avoid the sun's glare later in the day) but the pictures came out just fine anyway. Heading back north was perfect the whole way and you could tell heading east to the US 231 interchange that hills were coming from the view ahead. It will be a nice reprive for those who drove through the flat fields of Daviess County (which kind of reminded me of US 41 in Northwest Indiana) to head through the hills of Greene and Monroe Counties. 

Again, I did notice that Oakland City was mentioned on the offramp onto SR 64 yesterday, and likewise Loogootee was mentioned on the offramps for both US 50/150 and US 231, so there is some mention of those communities, a rule allowing for only two control cities seems very likely given that. All that would probably need to be done is to install an auxilary sign prior to each exit that shows Oakland City Exit 33 and Loogootee Exit 62. We've used these signs before on Indiana highways, such as the mention of Metamora at Exit 149 on I-74 (Batesville/Oldenburg) and the mention of Bluffton at Exit 278  on I-69 (Huntington/Warren.) On that note, I think the town of Winslow on SR 61 should at least get a little mention at its interchange with I-69. It's the second largest town of Pike County and this is the Pike County interchange.

I saw the mileage signs missing too, and too I feel that is probably something to be added later, along with the lighting. At least the mile markers help in this regard, since they continue I-164's numbers, if you add a mile or so for the Veterans Memorial Parkway from the west of the interchange with I-164 and US 41, then you can use the milemarker to find out your distance to Downtown Evansville. Likewise if you know that Mile 87 is the northern endpoint and Mile 20 (I-64) is the southern endpoint (for I-69 of course) then you can do the math and figure out how much further you got. The signage plans for I-69 to the immediate north of the SR 68 interchange, and for the new I-69 south of the interchange at SR 37 DO mention provisions for a new mileage sign to be installed later, so they are planned. I'm just hoping there will be more than those two.

One final thing on I-164 in Evansville, I also agree that at the very least a "TO I-69" part should be added to signage at the exits along 164. Or we could drop the I-164 part of course....
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 22, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: theline on November 21, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
My daughter made it back to South Bend from Evansville, but she didn't try I-69. I'm just as glad she didn't, since she was driving at night. The chance of breaking down in the middle of nowhere at night makes a dad worry, no matter how mature and self-sufficient she is.   :paranoid:

What route did she take?

FWIW, there seems to be ample cell phone service in that area along the parallel routes (IN 57 and US 231) so a breakdown on I-69 shouldn't be an issue in terms of summoning help.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 22, 2012, 05:09:32 PM
Yes, I don't think phone service is an issue along I-69. Also, you have to keep things in perspective when it comes to services. It is about an hour drive from Crane to Evansville (assuming 75 MPH). In that stretch, Crane has a gas station and restaurant, Odon is about 3 miles east of I-69 on SR 58, Oakland City services are about a mile east on SR 64, and I-69 goes along the edge of Washington and Petersburg. So while there are no services on the highway itself until maybe SR 62 on I-164, it really is not too remote. I would say you are always within 10-12 minutes from services.

It is probably as good as any road to Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 22, 2012, 07:05:45 PM
Finally took a drive to Evansville from the US 50 interchange. As I previously stated, the US 50 interchange needs lighting. With 50 itself being 4 lanes, this interchange is very large and can be confusing for people not familiar with the area when its pitch black out side. With that being said, I was amazed at how lit it was at the SR 68 interchange. I feel that lighting at US 50 should have been prioritized over SR 68. I've spoken to a couple others that have driven through at night and they both agreed it was confusing to navigate in the dark.

- Drive from US 50 to Morgan Ave was 40 minutes. Before 69, it took about an hour.
- Only saw one Trooper, near Washington. The other one I saw was on 50, whom also saw me and decided to have a chat about my speed...lol. No ticket though!  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 22, 2012, 08:30:17 PM
Has the lighting at the IN 68 exit always been there, or was it recently added? If the former, my guess would be that it was installed to help improve visibility at the spot where the freeway ended.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 22, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
I'm pretty sure that it's been like there for a while, but I've never been through there at night to see the lights on.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 22, 2012, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2012, 08:30:17 PM
Has the lighting at the IN 68 exit always been there, or was it recently added? If the former, my guess would be that it was installed to help improve visibility at the spot where the freeway ended.

When the exit opened, it had no lights - I looked at the pictures I took then. On the cover of the 2011-2012 INDOT map, that interchange is shown, and it has at least some lights. When I first noticed the excessive number of lights was in June from an airliner at a fairly high altitude. It really stood out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 23, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: theline on November 21, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
My daughter made it back to South Bend from Evansville, but she didn't try I-69. I'm just as glad she didn't, since she was driving at night. The chance of breaking down in the middle of nowhere at night makes a dad worry, no matter how mature and self-sufficient she is.   :paranoid:

What route did she take?

FWIW, there seems to be ample cell phone service in that area along the parallel routes (IN 57 and US 231) so a breakdown on I-69 shouldn't be an issue in terms of summoning help.

I appreciate the thoughts, hbelkins. I'll let her know. She took the usual US-41 & I-70 route, and probably the same route back on Sunday. I think she'll take the new road at Christmas time. She was a bit concerned about her GPS not knowing where she was on I-69. My navigation gene was definitely not passed on to her. I think I've convinced her that she can just follow I-69 to the end and then turn on the GPS to get her to SB next time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 23, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
Have control cities been updated/established for the BGS' on I-64
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 23, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on November 23, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
Have control cities been updated/established for the BGS' on I-64

Yes. From Petersburg to blank.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on November 23, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
Quote from: theline on November 23, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: theline on November 21, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
My daughter made it back to South Bend from Evansville, but she didn't try I-69. I'm just as glad she didn't, since she was driving at night. The chance of breaking down in the middle of nowhere at night makes a dad worry, no matter how mature and self-sufficient she is.   :paranoid:

What route did she take?

FWIW, there seems to be ample cell phone service in that area along the parallel routes (IN 57 and US 231) so a breakdown on I-69 shouldn't be an issue in terms of summoning help.

I appreciate the thoughts, hbelkins. I'll let her know. She took the usual US-41 & I-70 route, and probably the same route back on Sunday. I think she'll take the new road at Christmas time. She was a bit concerned about her GPS not knowing where she was on I-69. My navigation gene was definitely not passed on to her. I think I've convinced her that she can just follow I-69 to the end and then turn on the GPS to get her to SB next time.

I understand the parental concerns as I have a college age daughter as well. I have driven every road between Evansville and Bloomington for years, yet, I was even a little confused coming back after dark on Tuesday. I wouldn't worry about services, she will be fine with that, but I would be a little concerned about her on the 25 miles of twisties from Bloomington to Crane if she is driving after dark.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 24, 2012, 09:01:20 AM
One interesting thing as I was organizing my pictures over the long weekend: I compared pictures of I-69 where it goes from north to east northeast near Elnora. When I checked out progress in May, this was an area that looked to be way behind schedule. The contractor for this part had the hilliest section and I think it was for around 10 miles of roadway. Below are the before and after shots. Note that five months after the picture in May was taken, the highway was paved, and six months later, it was open to traffic.

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Taken from overpass

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Taken from highway

Comparing with the speed it is taking or took to build parts of US 31, US 24, and SR 25, this was pretty amazing to me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 24, 2012, 11:18:48 AM
WOW

We still can build highways fast in America if we want to get it done.

Great Pics.........
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 24, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
A dry summer also helped speed things along.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 25, 2012, 02:46:25 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on November 23, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
Quote from: theline on November 23, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: theline on November 21, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
My daughter made it back to South Bend from Evansville, but she didn't try I-69. I'm just as glad she didn't, since she was driving at night. The chance of breaking down in the middle of nowhere at night makes a dad worry, no matter how mature and self-sufficient she is.   :paranoid:

What route did she take?

FWIW, there seems to be ample cell phone service in that area along the parallel routes (IN 57 and US 231) so a breakdown on I-69 shouldn't be an issue in terms of summoning help.

I appreciate the thoughts, hbelkins. I'll let her know. She took the usual US-41 & I-70 route, and probably the same route back on Sunday. I think she'll take the new road at Christmas time. She was a bit concerned about her GPS not knowing where she was on I-69. My navigation gene was definitely not passed on to her. I think I've convinced her that she can just follow I-69 to the end and then turn on the GPS to get her to SB next time.

I understand the parental concerns as I have a college age daughter as well. I have driven every road between Evansville and Bloomington for years, yet, I was even a little confused coming back after dark on Tuesday. I wouldn't worry about services, she will be fine with that, but I would be a little concerned about her on the 25 miles of twisties from Bloomington to Crane if she is driving after dark.
I had actually recommended her taking US-231 north to I-70, to avoid the nasty terrain. That route looks to be 8 miles farther, according to Google maps. What's the recommendation of those who know those roads? I'll eventually try both, but not for a few months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 24, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
A dry summer also helped speed things along.

Although Indiana had severe drought as well, and water for the concrete was an issue in July. When I took a trip this Saturday to Evansville on the new road, I got to thinking about the asphalt sections versus concrete, and surmised if the water shortage didn't play a direct role in using asphalt, the calendar did. With the opening looming, the asphalt could go down a lot quicker than moving the concrete paving equipment to the multiple spots, letting it cure and then saw in the expansion and control joints.

Other observations and musings: The right of way fencing is a work in progress in spots near the southern end. It was nice riding on a road with no potholes. Only one billboard is up on the the new section, near Crane, and it looked like a guy with a backhoe was digging a hole for a foundation for another. It seemed like 20 dead racoons were on the road, and one squirrel, who were not notified  of the opening. No service signs yet, for gas, food or lodging.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 11:36:04 AM

I had actually recommended her taking US-231 north to I-70, to avoid the nasty terrain. That route looks to be 8 miles farther, according to Google maps. What's the recommendation of those who know those roads? I'll eventually try both, but not for a few months.
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US 231 is the better choice. Fewer twists in the route itself, but it does turn at intersections more. US 231 also goes through more towns with services. North of Spencer, one could use SR 67 to Indy as an alternate. From Martinsville to Indy it is an expressway, but has more traffic lights from Mooresville to Indy than would US 231 near I 70.  Far more services would be available on SR 67  than US 231
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 25, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
In addition to the detour back west, US 231 goes through Bloomfield, Spencer, and Cloverdale. If I remember right, it is windy around Spencer.

SR 45 is not too bad. There is congestion by the Walmart at SR 37, but otherwise they have improved several intersections which helps traffic flow. The bad times of the day are when commuters living in Bloomington and working at Crane are on the road.

As for the most safe, it could be I-69 to US 231 (south) to SR 58 (east) to SR 37 (north), but that would not be the shortest. It does avoid towns and is not very windy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 25, 2012, 04:53:05 PM
^ Thanks for the routing tips.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 25, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
In addition to the detour back west, US 231 goes through Bloomfield, Spencer, and Cloverdale. If I remember right, it is windy around Spencer.

SR 45 is not too bad. There is congestion by the Walmart at SR 37, but otherwise they have improved several intersections which helps traffic flow. The bad times of the day are when commuters living in Bloomington and working at Crane are on the road.

As for the most safe, it could be I-69 to US 231 (south) to SR 58 (east) to SR 37 (north), but that would not be the shortest. It does avoid towns and is not very windy.

Yes, US 231 does have it winding moments. The grades and hills do have passing lanes, which helps travel times. SR 45 does not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 25, 2012, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 25, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
In addition to the detour back west, US 231 goes through Bloomfield, Spencer, and Cloverdale. If I remember right, it is windy around Spencer.

SR 45 is not too bad. There is congestion by the Walmart at SR 37, but otherwise they have improved several intersections which helps traffic flow. The bad times of the day are when commuters living in Bloomington and working at Crane are on the road.

As for the most safe, it could be I-69 to US 231 (south) to SR 58 (east) to SR 37 (north), but that would not be the shortest. It does avoid towns and is not very windy.

Yes, US 231 does have it winding moments. The grades and hills do have passing lanes, which helps travel times. SR 45 does not.

Agreed, it does not, but there are no steep hills on SR 45 either.

On another I-69 topic....

There are two bridges on the new highway named for local war heroes. I noticed signs for these bridges when I went down and took a picture of one. They have brown backgrounds. Is that the correct color for such signs? I first noticed such signs along I-465 which was named the USS Indianapolis Memorial Highway.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 25, 2012, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 25, 2012, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 25, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
In addition to the detour back west, US 231 goes through Bloomfield, Spencer, and Cloverdale. If I remember right, it is windy around Spencer.

SR 45 is not too bad. There is congestion by the Walmart at SR 37, but otherwise they have improved several intersections which helps traffic flow. The bad times of the day are when commuters living in Bloomington and working at Crane are on the road.

As for the most safe, it could be I-69 to US 231 (south) to SR 58 (east) to SR 37 (north), but that would not be the shortest. It does avoid towns and is not very windy.

Yes, US 231 does have it winding moments. The grades and hills do have passing lanes, which helps travel times. SR 45 does not.

Agreed, it does not, but there are no steep hills on SR 45 either.

On another I-69 topic....

There are two bridges on the new highway named for local war heroes. I noticed signs for these bridges when I went down and took a picture of one. They have brown backgrounds. Is that the correct color for such signs? I first noticed such signs along I-465 which was named the USS Indianapolis Memorial Highway.

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It shouldn't be brown, but I've seen green and blue of signs like that, I don't know what color is right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 25, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 25, 2012, 08:16:33 PM
There are two bridges on the new highway named for local war heroes. I noticed signs for these bridges when I went down and took a picture of one. They have brown backgrounds. Is that the correct color for such signs? I first noticed such signs along I-465 which was named the USS Indianapolis Memorial Highway.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-TaylorBridge-1.jpg&hash=7dadfa59f91c4ae971500e9b885241a2d5c46be4)

FWIW, according to page 339 of the 2009 MUCTD, brown is the correct background color.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 26, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
A week late but got to drive the new section today. As others have said there is still work going on. I saw work on guard rails and drainage. Did notice one thing around MM 80 as some one has already "tagged" a overpass. Ok either I was asleep at the wheel but where did the planned rest area go? Did I miss it getting cut out?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 26, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on November 26, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
A week late but got to drive the new section today. As others have said there is still work going on. I saw work on guard rails and drainage. Did notice one thing around MM 80 as some one has already "tagged" a overpass. Ok either I was asleep at the wheel but where did the planned rest area go? Did I miss it getting cut out?

The rest area was cut out. It was supposed to go somewhere between Washington and the SR 58 exit. If I remember correctly, I think the state went ahead and purchased the right-away though. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 26, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
Thanks.......didn't remember it getting cut. I do remember it was going to be a unique one with dual access from both north and south bound traffic. I did see one billboard a week after the road opened. Overall it was a rare treat that probably will never happen in my lifetime again. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 26, 2012, 11:55:33 PM
Just wondering: how long until Google driving directions take into account the new road? I entered a route from Evansville to Crane, and it routed me on the old roads. I wasn't surprised.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on November 27, 2012, 10:03:36 AM
Didn't see any services signs but that can be anticipated. So if you are road geeking it make your filled up. Found a gas station at the US-231 exit by Crane but it's a total chitpit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 27, 2012, 10:44:30 AM
That particular station wasn't designed to be a gas station for an interstate though, just a country crossroads. In any case, you aren't going to find a Pilot or anything of that standard on this corridor, yet. As for me, I did have to make one pit stop, in Petersburg where I just went north into town and went to a gas station along SR 57 just south of downtown. Heading back to SR 56/61, it was interesting to see the I-69 exit there while still in the Petersburg city limits. I'm kind of surprised that with all the excitement that Washington has over the new interstate they didn't build a gas station already, I mean they did know where the highway was going to go, why not build it now?

Speaking of Pike and Daviess Counties, I collect various county and city maps from the local chamber of commerce in those communities. I have a Petersburg/Pike County one that features the proposed I-69 corridor (with four exits in the county instead of the one that now exists) and that map was made in 2004. I got a Washington/Daviess County one earlier this year that was dated 2011 and guess what...no mention of I-69 at all. Not bad for a community trying to sell themselves as having interstate access. To their credit, the Princeton/Gibson County map has no mention of the highway nor does the Greene County map (which is an actual county map from the government.) On one final note, a new tourist map of Greene County does feature the highway, so good for them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 27, 2012, 10:22:42 PM
With the 13 mile gap between SR64 and SR56

The 16 mile gap between SR56 and US 50

and the 14 mile gap between US 50 and SR 58

and finally the 11 mile gap between SR 58 and US 231

there is a pretty wide gap between exits and i am sure you will see a rest area between one of those gaps but what possible exits do you see in the future to make the distance less between exits

There are no cities to speak of between those gaps and it seems like they could make an exit to 57 between 61 and 50 at County road 450 South could connect 57 to 257 and the Glendale State Fish and Wildlife Area at Dog Wood Lake

What future exits if any do you fine folks think might be created?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 27, 2012, 10:31:12 PM
Two other interchanges were planned, but postponed. I think one is north of Petersburg to service the IPL power plant and the other is north of Washington. If I remember correctly, the state bought the land for both. To be honest, I didn't look for these when I checked out the road last week.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 27, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
do we know the exit numbers for section 4
from what i can see its only 3 exits

SR 45. 54 and 37
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 27, 2012, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on November 27, 2012, 10:03:36 AM
Didn't see any services signs but that can be anticipated. So if you are road geeking it make your filled up. Found a gas station at the US-231 exit by Crane but it's a total chitpit.

Odon isn't too far off the interstate, and it has two regional chain convenience stores. There's a Casey's and one other that I can't remember the name of. A Huck's, maybe?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 27, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on November 27, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
do we know the exit numbers for section 5

from what i can see its only 3 exits

SR 45. 54 and 37

That is section 4. The exits are at SR 45 (98), SR 445 (104) and SR 37 (114).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 27, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
Thanks, where did find that information
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on November 28, 2012, 11:34:38 AM
You can find that at http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SCOH%20Report%2011-16-2012.pdf.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 28, 2012, 06:38:57 PM
That URL apparently has the information, but I got it from the INDOT online plans at https://netservices.indot.in.gov/ViewDocs2.0/.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 28, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
^ The link doesn't work. Can we get a correction, please?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on November 28, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: theline on November 28, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
^ The link doesn't work. Can we get a correction, please?
It does work. You need to enter the information.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 01, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
On this subject, I picked up the 2013 Tourism map from Indiana today (which is not the official INDOT map, which should come out sometime next year, but uses the same INDOT cartography) and saw that the Interstate 69 route from SR 68 to US 231 is now marked with exit numbers at the exit. The stretch of I-69 from US 231 to SR 37 is now labeled as under construction instead of just being a proposed corridor. Still however, the "Corridor I-69" shield is used on the new route that is open. Also, the exit numbers on the stretch of I-69 from Indianapolis to Michigan have all been changed. Furthermore, in Indiana's 2013 visitors guide the new I-69 route appears on all maps that cover the South-Central and South regions of the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 02, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
Some of the I-69 section 5 construction sequencing can be seen here (http://www.i69indyevn.org//wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/VolumeII/S5_Appendix_FF.pdf). Vernal Pike will be done first, thank goodness, followed by Fullerton Pike with a connection to That Rd. - one of my favorite road names. Let's hope they complete the south end of section 5 even if the whole section is not completed for years. The link is not new, BTW, but it is the first time I noticed the details.

An article in a Terre Haute TV station site says that "I69 Draws Auto Parts (http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/southern_indiana/i69-draws-auto-parts)", but I am not quite sure what the article really is saying other than it could cause companies to expand along the new route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 03, 2012, 11:23:14 AM
Glad they're scheduled to start with Vernal Pike in Section 5.  That's the big thing that needs to be fixed on the Bloomington bypass for traffic flow at present.  I expect at a mininum that the state will find the budget to get that overpass built in the next few years.

Everything else in Section A are things that will need to happen once I-69 connects to SR 37 on the South Side, which will increase traffic on that side of town.
Title: Indiana considers private firm for I-69 legs
Post by: mukade on December 04, 2012, 06:15:49 PM
Quote
Indiana is considering hiring a private firm to design and build the stretch of Interstate 69 from Bloomington to Martinsville...

Indiana considers private firm for I-69 legs (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Indiana-considers-private-firm-for-I-69-legs-4090767.php) (San Francisco Chronicle)

State may hire one agency to handle all details of I-69's next section (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/dec/04/no-headline---interstate69/) (Evansville Courier & Press)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on December 04, 2012, 06:50:35 PM
QuoteInstead, he said, the state would agree to pay one lump sum to the contractor. Since that contractor would be handling a broad array of aspects, Wingfield said, the state believes the state could get a better price than it would by bonding for the highway's construction.

I fail to see how this is going to work. I could understand if it was an Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity type contract where INDOT pays the contractor at different intervals, but I don't see how the lump sum is going to work, especially if that lump sum is less than the cost to build the road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 04, 2012, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 02, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
Some of the I-69 section 5 construction sequencing can be seen here (http://www.i69indyevn.org//wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/VolumeII/S5_Appendix_FF.pdf). Vernal Pike will be done first, thank goodness, followed by Fullerton Pike with a connection to That Rd. - one of my favorite road names. Let's hope they complete the south end of section 5 even if the whole section is not completed for years. The link is not new, BTW, but it is the first time I noticed the details.

An article in a Terre Haute TV station site says that "I69 Draws Auto Parts (http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/southern_indiana/i69-draws-auto-parts)", but I am not quite sure what the article really is saying other than it could cause companies to expand along the new route.

The INDOT web site today states:

Quote
Pending federal approval, I-69 Section 5 construction could begin as early as 2013 with safety improvements to existing S.R. 37 intersections and interchanges in Bloomington. The safety improvements are intended to coincide with the opening of I-69 Section 4 to traffic southwest of Bloomington.

So the next opening could mean freeway from SR 46 all the way to the Ohio River for an approximate distance of 120 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 04, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
would they really need to do anything to SR 37 in Bloomington but put in overpasses?  The interchanges are already built. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on December 04, 2012, 11:33:50 PM
Thanks for the information guys. Glad to see INDOT is preparing to deal with the extra traffic in the Bloomington area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 05, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 04, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
would they really need to do anything to SR 37 in Bloomington but put in overpasses?  The interchanges are already built. 

I believe there is supposed to be an interchange at Fullerton Pike (or That Road or Tapp Road, don't remember exactly which but I'm pretty sure it's Fullerton.) That and the interchanges at SR 45 and SR 48 might be rebuilt (according to some of the plans that were up.) Granted, the plans aren't set in stone and those two interchange DON'T HAVE to be rebuilt immediately. I guess my question on the proposed work within Bloomington would be, if the overpasses and/or interchanges are built up to at least SR 46, would I-69 officially be designated that far north?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 05, 2012, 07:07:30 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 05, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 04, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
would they really need to do anything to SR 37 in Bloomington but put in overpasses?  The interchanges are already built. 

I believe there is supposed to be an interchange at Fullerton Pike (or That Road or Tapp Road, don't remember exactly which but I'm pretty sure it's Fullerton.) That and the interchanges at SR 45 and SR 48 might be rebuilt (according to some of the plans that were up.) Granted, the plans aren't set in stone and those two interchange DON'T HAVE to be rebuilt immediately. I guess my question on the proposed work within Bloomington would be, if the overpasses and/or interchanges are built up to at least SR 46, would I-69 officially be designated that far north?

It seems to read that way, but if you look at the construction sequencing document, I do not see that it would be possible because they won't allow consecutive interchanges or consecutive overpasses to be built simultaneously. Personally, I'd just like to see the Vernal Pike and Tapp Road overpasses and Fullerton Pike interchange built for 2014. If they don't travel through Bloomington will be dangerous.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 05, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
It's probably going to be a 3-5 year project for even the "Package A" improvements in Bloomington, and probably the best case scenario is heavy construction starting in 2014.  There's no approval yet for the budget or formal bids going on.

You're dealing with an existing road with a good amount of traffic so you can't do everything at once.  Tapp/Fullerton & Vernal Pike need to happen before you can work on either 2nd or 3rd (and those can't happen at the same time).  Traffic's going to have to be rerouted to those other roads.

Even though a lot of SR 37 in Bloomington is already close to interstate standards, it's probably going to be the biggest project outside of the 5 mile stretch or so of SR 37 south of Indianapolis that connects to I-465.

My understanding from reading what was posted earlier is they should be able to sign SR 37 as I-69 to SR48/3rd street once they make the Package A improvements.  All the other improvements will have to be made before they can sign the road to 17th/SR46... there are some other access roads that need to be taken out and overpasses that need to be built.

Hopefully they can find the budget for the whole section, otherwise it could be a while before they finish it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 05, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
I don't believe they'll designate I-69 along any part of 37 until it's completely done between 465 and the south side of Bloomington.  Seems silly to me to extend it a little at a time as improvements are made ... just wait until it's done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 05, 2012, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 05, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
I don't believe they'll designate I-69 along any part of 37 until it's completely done between 465 and the south side of Bloomington.  Seems silly to me to extend it a little at a time as improvements are made ... just wait until it's done.

I will disagree. If the road is built to Interstate standards and is open, it should be signed. I think INDOT even said that in the AASHTO application submitted last year. The new terrain sections open in one big bang, though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 05, 2012, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 05, 2012, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 05, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
I don't believe they'll designate I-69 along any part of 37 until it's completely done between 465 and the south side of Bloomington.  Seems silly to me to extend it a little at a time as improvements are made ... just wait until it's done.

I will disagree. If the road is built to Interstate standards and is open, it should be signed. I think INDOT even said that in the AASHTO application submitted last year. The new terrain sections open in one big bang, though.

True ... there is precedent for that elsewhere, like when MoDOT gradually extended I-64 westward to I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wh15395 on December 05, 2012, 09:40:09 PM
Well here's an interesting idea that I hadn't even heard of since it was originally proposed until today:
http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature (http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature)

I suppose I'm okay with the idea as long as it is privately funded.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 05, 2012, 10:18:50 PM
If it was routed a bit closer in that the original plan, it could be designated I-69. That would solve the problem of funding the cost of the most expensive part of I-69 as it approaches Indy from the south. A problem with that is that there would be a gap in the exit numbers, though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 05, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: wh15395 on December 05, 2012, 09:40:09 PM
Well here's an interesting idea that I hadn't even heard of since it was originally proposed until today:
http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature (http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature)

I suppose I'm okay with the idea as long as it is privately funded.

I'm not in favor of it, it really doesn't solve our transportation issues in Indy.  I personally think that it will just make it worse (after initially making things better).  Indy needs to have a real mass transit system, it doesn't have to be a subway, but actually having a good bus system that covers the whole city is a good start.  I think this serves as a better bypass of the city but it doesn't solve the city's traffic issues.  But if they did build it, why is it a partial beltway? why not a full one?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wh15395 on December 05, 2012, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 05, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: wh15395 on December 05, 2012, 09:40:09 PM
Well here's an interesting idea that I hadn't even heard of since it was originally proposed until today:
http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature (http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature)

I suppose I'm okay with the idea as long as it is privately funded.

I'm not in favor of it, it really doesn't solve our transportation issues in Indy.  I personally think that it will just make it worse (after initially making things better).  Indy needs to have a real mass transit system, it doesn't have to be a subway, but actually having a good bus system that covers the whole city is a good start.  I think this serves as a better bypass of the city but it doesn't solve the city's traffic issues.  But if they did build it, why is it a partial beltway? why not a full one?

I assume the Eastern part of the metro must have more of a demand for it and that the Western part would have it built eventually. And I completely agree about mass transit. I don't see how this is an either/or thing, though. If it's completely funded by a private company, it should in no way effect any efforts to expand the city's transit system.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 06, 2012, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 05, 2012, 10:18:50 PM
If it was routed a bit closer in that the original plan, it could be designated I-69. That would solve the problem of funding the cost of the most expensive part of I-69 as it approaches Indy from the south. A problem with that is that there would be a gap in the exit numbers, though.

Will there be a gap in exit numbers though? Remember the new exit nmbers are, what 18 too high on the NE side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 06, 2012, 07:07:50 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 06, 2012, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 05, 2012, 10:18:50 PM
If it was routed a bit closer in that the original plan, it could be designated I-69. That would solve the problem of funding the cost of the most expensive part of I-69 as it approaches Indy from the south. A problem with that is that there would be a gap in the exit numbers, though.

Will there be a gap in exit numbers though? Remember the new exit nmbers are, what 18 too high on the NE side.

The difference is 16 miles, and at least the original Commerce Corridor route had no backtracking. In the unlikely chance that the new highway would be built and used at I-69, I would expect that a 16 mile jump in exit numbers would be evident.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2012, 07:43:53 AM
If this were to be built and be signed as I-69, does the existing I-69 SW of Pendleton become I-169?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 06, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
I'm very skeptical that this will even be built. Community opposition killed the project the last time and I don't see how it won't be any better this time, toll road or not. I honestly don't think that travel on I-465 is THAT bad to demand a new bypass around the city. Sure rush hour can get heavy in spots on the north and south sides it still isn't bad the rest of the time. What INDOT should do is widen I-465 to eight lanes at least around the city (something that is about half done already) and improve the freeway-to-freeway interchanges (such as 465/65 on the south side, which is going to be done next year.) This is just me though.

As for I-69's route through the Indianapolis area, why not route the highway north from Martinsville to I-70 and then multiplex it with I-70 (leaving I-465 as a decent detour if needed for traffic problems downtown) all the way through the city to the east side and then continuing it up 465 to the current I-69. Most of this route is already widened to six or eight lanes and this could cut a bit of the gap between exit numbers. Just an idea.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 06, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 06, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
As for I-69's route through the Indianapolis area, why not route the highway north from Martinsville to I-70 and then multiplex it with I-70 (leaving I-465 as a decent detour if needed for traffic problems downtown) all the way through the city to the east side and then continuing it up 465 to the current I-69. Most of this route is already widened to six or eight lanes and this could cut a bit of the gap between exit numbers. Just an idea.
As nice as it would be, that route will never be done, mainly because it's a little too out of the way. Plus, INDOT is continuing to push for completion of the direct connection to the south side of Indy, which is still years away.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 06, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 06, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
I'm very skeptical that this will even be built. Community opposition killed the project the last time and I don't see how it won't be any better this time, toll road or not. I honestly don't think that travel on I-465 is THAT bad to demand a new bypass around the city. Sure rush hour can get heavy in spots on the north and south sides it still isn't bad the rest of the time. What INDOT should do is widen I-465 to eight lanes at least around the city (something that is about half done already) and improve the freeway-to-freeway interchanges (such as 465/65 on the south side, which is going to be done next year.) This is just me though.

As for I-69's route through the Indianapolis area, why not route the highway north from Martinsville to I-70 and then multiplex it with I-70 (leaving I-465 as a decent detour if needed for traffic problems downtown) all the way through the city to the east side and then continuing it up 465 to the current I-69. Most of this route is already widened to six or eight lanes and this could cut a bit of the gap between exit numbers. Just an idea.

I agree that it probably will not get built and I agree that around SR 39 to SR 67 then somehow to I-70 would have been a decent route, but changing the route now would mean they are back to square one with the Feds, right? It would take years to get all the approvals. On the other hand, if it followed the proposed route to a tollway (which gets no Federal funds), that would be OK. At least that was the way I understand it. Still, that doesn't make it a good plan or likely to happen - just more doable than routing I-69 on to I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 06, 2012, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 05, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: wh15395 on December 05, 2012, 09:40:09 PM
Well here's an interesting idea that I hadn't even heard of since it was originally proposed until today:
http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature (http://www.wthr.com/story/20271336/commerce-connector-gets-new-life-in-legislature)

I suppose I'm okay with the idea as long as it is privately funded.

I'm not in favor of it, it really doesn't solve our transportation issues in Indy.  I personally think that it will just make it worse (after initially making things better).  Indy needs to have a real mass transit system, it doesn't have to be a subway, but actually having a good bus system that covers the whole city is a good start.  I think this serves as a better bypass of the city but it doesn't solve the city's traffic issues.  But if they did build it, why is it a partial beltway? why not a full one?

An improved and expanded IndyGo bus system won't relieve I-69. The only thing that could help that would be having commuter coach routes from Anderson, Pendleton, Noblesville, Fishers, etc. - and a lot of people would have to use it.

As to why the bypass would be partial, a northern leg of the bypass would be difficult because it is built up and the Morse Reservoir is right there. I think it would have to go north of Cicero. Also, I bet there would be the highest concentration of NIMBYs in Hamilton County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 06, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Basically what I was trying to convey mukade is that building more roads isn't the answer locally, we need more than new roads to solve the transportation issues, better buses, creating train service, etc. are all things that are good ideas to start with.  I just think giving people multiple choices is better than just one.  I know Indy isn't Chicago or New York, but Indy needs more than just roads to solve the problem, but that's just what I think. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wh15395 on December 07, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 06, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Basically what I was trying to convey mukade is that building more roads isn't the answer locally, we need more than new roads to solve the transportation issues, better buses, creating train service, etc. are all things that are good ideas to start with.  I just think giving people multiple choices is better than just one.  I know Indy isn't Chicago or New York, but Indy needs more than just roads to solve the problem, but that's just what I think. 

Most people, including myself, would agree with you. I really don't even think traffic on I-69 is that bad anyway. I mean yeah, it's bad, but constantly widening the highway isn't going to fix it. Another beltway won't fix anything either, because the city will eventually just sprawl out towards it. At the least, we should build the transit system so that the only people driving on roads are those that do it by choice and not by necessity. People deserve another option than driving everywhere all the time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 07, 2012, 05:28:09 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 06, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Basically what I was trying to convey mukade is that building more roads isn't the answer locally, we need more than new roads to solve the transportation issues, better buses, creating train service, etc. are all things that are good ideas to start with.  I just think giving people multiple choices is better than just one.  I know Indy isn't Chicago or New York, but Indy needs more than just roads to solve the problem, but that's just what I think. 

Quote from: wh15395 on December 07, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
Most people, including myself, would agree with you. I really don't even think traffic on I-69 is that bad anyway. I mean yeah, it's bad, but constantly widening the highway isn't going to fix it. Another beltway won't fix anything either, because the city will eventually just sprawl out towards it. At the least, we should build the transit system so that the only people driving on roads are those that do it by choice and not by necessity. People deserve another option than driving everywhere all the time.

I am all for a well-planned, well run transit system in Indy, but I still have not really heard any serious plans for upgrade IndyGo. A year or two, they talked about buying diesel rail cars that would run from Fishers to downtown, and they have talked about expanding the bus system. Any expansion will be expensive because riders will not come just because it is there. That will take time and patience. Furthermore, IndyGo can't even replace its old buses with 700,000 miles on them with new buses - they buy used ones.

What I have not seen at all is a serious plan to create the commuter bus (coach) routes and/or van pools to all the outlying cities (Lafayette, Kokomo, Anderson, New Castle, Columbus, Bloomington, etc.). If you want to make a small dent in traffic counts on the Indianapolis freeways, that is what they really need.

All that said, I-69 traffic is bad and will continue to get worse. It would be nice for it to be widened to six lanes from 116th Street to Anderson or Daleville, but that would be years away unless I have missed something. So the new corridor would relieve some of that thru traffic, but the real purpose, as its name implies, is to leverage the expanding I-69 corridor to attract new businesses. Let's face it, South of Anderson and North of Martinsville (actually Crane)  will be difficult to build the type of large facilities that would benefit from being on a long corridor that will go right through a big chunk of the automotive manufacturing regions of North America. There is no room around Indy along I-69. And also to be honest, Anderson had big UAW issues at GM so the foreign auto manufacturers seem to have not wanted any part of building there, but that is beside the point. Greater Indy wants growth from the I-69 corridor.

So the ICC could bring some benefit to the region - I am not convinced that it would be sufficient to balance cost and risk, however. If they build it, how would it affect I-69 planning from Martinsville to Pendleton? I think that is the real question.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 19 on December 07, 2012, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 05, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 04, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
would they really need to do anything to SR 37 in Bloomington but put in overpasses?  The interchanges are already built. 

I believe there is supposed to be an interchange at Fullerton Pike (or That Road or Tapp Road, don't remember exactly which but I'm pretty sure it's Fullerton.) That and the interchanges at SR 45 and SR 48 might be rebuilt (according to some of the plans that were up.) Granted, the plans aren't set in stone and those two interchange DON'T HAVE to be rebuilt immediately. I guess my question on the proposed work within Bloomington would be, if the overpasses and/or interchanges are built up to at least SR 46, would I-69 officially be designated that far north?

They're supposed to put in exits at tapp Rd. and Fullerton Pike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 07, 2012, 08:50:27 AM
I-69 at rush hour is somewhat of a problem spot but Indianapolis has it really good in terms of traffic compared to most other cities.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQIsbq.jpg&hash=7e605bcfce3c921c85e6dd1408b8b05824942f51)

I could see where a tolled freeway spur between I-69 near Fishers/Carmel/Pendelton, etc to I-70 near Greenfield would be useful.  People from those exurbs who work downtown could drive to I-70 that way, which would alleviate a fair amount of traffic from the I-69/I-465.  Personally, I think it would be much more useful if it went around North to US 31 and then stopped, than to go south from Greenfield to Shelbyville (and on around to Franklin, Martinsville, and Mooresville).  Just not the traffic between those cities.  Maybe if you routed most of the thing as I-69 and didn't upgrade SR 37 to freeway standards between Martinsville and I-465 it might make economic sense (but that would basically miss the point of building I-69 to Evansville in the first place).

I fail to see where 1) the private investment money is going to come from (the Indiana Toll Road privatization was done at the perfect time before the Great Recession to get max benefit) and 2) where the traffic is going to come from for the route past Greenfield to make enough money to build/maintain the road and cover finishing I-69.  They'd get a fair bit of traffic before/after Indiana University basketball/football games, but that's not going to make the road profitable.  The ICC project would easily run into the billions of dollars.

I also completely agree that the Indianapolis area needs to upgrade their mass transit systems.  I'm not sure on what the best way to do that is, but it's not an adequate system right now for the region.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wh15395 on December 07, 2012, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 07, 2012, 05:28:09 AM
I am all for a well-planned, well run transit system in Indy, but I still have not really heard any serious plans for upgrade IndyGo. A year or two, they talked about buying diesel rail cars that would run from Fishers to downtown, and they have talked about expanding the bus system. Any expansion will be expensive because riders will not come just because it is there. That will take time and patience. Furthermore, IndyGo can't even replace its old buses with 700,000 miles on them with new buses - they buy used ones.

I disagree with this statement. I actually think if it was there, people would use it. I know plenty of people who would gladly use a bus system if they knew a bus would be there every 10-15 minutes like they should be. And they actually just increased IndyGo's budget by $8 million next year. This is going to create a new route along 86th  street from Trader's Point to Castleton and increase frequency on numerous routes. It's not as much as the Indy Connect plan calls for, but a decent start.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 07, 2012, 02:39:52 PM
Well, creating a new cross-town bus route along a surface street and increasing frequency on other surface routes will do nothing about freeway congestion. It costs a lot of money to have a safe, reliable, and frequent bus service, and there are many examples of where ridership was lower than projected. Either way, it doesn't affect I-69, and the source of the money for the proposed tollway is not from the same as that for a for a municipal bus system.




In the INDOT letting for that last contract in section 4 (i.e. the one that was previously rejected), I see the new completion date is now May 1, 2015. It had been projected to open in 2014 before.

December 12 Letting - Supplemental 2 (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2012/dec12/121212-SUPP2-NTC.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ysuindy on December 07, 2012, 05:19:54 PM
I live in Fishers and commute to downtown.  Right now, mass transit would not work a lot of days for me - with a high school senior at home I often leave to catch him doing something else away from Fishers.  But as he goes out to college next year, I would love to have the opportunity for a regularly scheduled, frequent mass transit rail.  I have no desire to sit in a bus that rides in the same traffic I'm in - but would be willing to hop a train downtown and back each day.  Of course by the time anything could ever get built, I'd like to think that I'm getting somewhat close to retiring.  :)

My preference - not others I'm sure.  And I am not sure what I would pay to ride each day/month.  But I do wish the legislature would be willing to put a well thought plan before the voters.  Guess we need that plan first.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on December 09, 2012, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 24, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
A dry summer also helped speed things along.

Although Indiana had severe drought as well, and water for the concrete was an issue in July. When I took a trip this Saturday to Evansville on the new road, I got to thinking about the asphalt sections versus concrete, and surmised if the water shortage didn't play a direct role in using asphalt, the calendar did. With the opening looming, the asphalt could go down a lot quicker than moving the concrete paving equipment to the multiple spots, letting it cure and then saw in the expansion and control joints.

Other observations and musings: The right of way fencing is a work in progress in spots near the southern end. It was nice riding on a road with no potholes. Only one billboard is up on the the new section, near Crane, and it looked like a guy with a backhoe was digging a hole for a foundation for another. It seemed like 20 dead racoons were on the road, and one squirrel, who were not notified  of the opening. No service signs yet, for gas, food or lodging.

From INDOT:









Indiana Department of Transportation: Southwest The reason for the asphalt sections are due to the type of soils in the area and under the roadway. This was determined through extensive testing of the soils. It allows for settling that could take place in these areas. Concrete is too rigid and would not be flexible in that scenario so asphalt was determined to be better in that area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on December 09, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
According to a reply I received from INDOT, they are planning to install lighting at the US 50 interchange. Said the project should begin late winter or early spring. Also said that at this time, that is the only interchange set to receive lights.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 10, 2012, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: tvketchum on December 09, 2012, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: tvketchum on November 25, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 24, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
A dry summer also helped speed things along.

Although Indiana had severe drought as well, and water for the concrete was an issue in July. When I took a trip this Saturday to Evansville on the new road, I got to thinking about the asphalt sections versus concrete, and surmised if the water shortage didn't play a direct role in using asphalt, the calendar did. With the opening looming, the asphalt could go down a lot quicker than moving the concrete paving equipment to the multiple spots, letting it cure and then saw in the expansion and control joints.

Other observations and musings: The right of way fencing is a work in progress in spots near the southern end. It was nice riding on a road with no potholes. Only one billboard is up on the the new section, near Crane, and it looked like a guy with a backhoe was digging a hole for a foundation for another. It seemed like 20 dead racoons were on the road, and one squirrel, who were not notified  of the opening. No service signs yet, for gas, food or lodging.

From INDOT:

Indiana Department of Transportation: Southwest The reason for the asphalt sections are due to the type of soils in the area and under the roadway. This was determined through extensive testing of the soils. It allows for settling that could take place in these areas. Concrete is too rigid and would not be flexible in that scenario so asphalt was determined to be better in that area.

There are a couple of short sections of WI 29 about halfway between Wausau and Wittenburg, WI that were paved with asphalt for that reason, too.  The rest of the highway is concrete that still gives a very nice, smooth ride, but those asphalt parts, due to the boggyness of the subsoil, are always wavy.  Concrete there would have quickly broken up into rocks and gravel.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 12, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
On the second try after all bids were over estimate this past summer, it looks as if the last contract in section 4 will be awarded to White Construction. Apparent bid results are here (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2012/dec12/apparent12-12-12.pdf). This is the hilly area just west of SR 45 to about four miles east of US 231.

Also, our friends at CARR are filing yet another lawsuit in hopes of stopping construction of the highway.

I-69 Opposition Fighting Legal Battle Despite Road Progress (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-opposition-fighting-legal-battle-road-progress-41582/) (Indiana Public Media)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on December 12, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
^ Looks like they had bid alternates for either asphalt or concrete. Did they just let the lowest bid determine if it was asphalt or concrete?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on December 12, 2012, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 12, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
^ Looks like they had bid alternates for either asphalt or concrete. Did they just let the lowest bid determine if it was asphalt or concrete?

Probably not. Concrete is typically more expensive than asphalt, so there are usually some formulae involved to determine the "best" bid.
Title: Planned I-69 interchange at 106th Street
Post by: mukade on December 17, 2012, 10:47:32 PM
It sounds like this interchange will be like the soon-to-open I-69 Union Chapel Road interchange in Fort Wayne.

Fishers Town Council votes to join with Hamilton County on new I-69 interchange at 106th Street (http://www.indystar.com/article/20121217/LOCAL01/121217027/Fishers-Hamilton-County-push-new-69-interchange-106th-Street) (Indy Star)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 23, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Official results show another contract in section 4 is indeed about to be awarded. Unfortunately, all bids for a smaller tree clearing contract that must precede it were over estimate, and presumably will be rejected.


Anyway, I was assuming that contract for building the highway was the last one for section 4, but I don't think "CONTRACT IR-33735-A" has been awarded after all original bids were rejected - and that one will be expensive.

  Official Bid Results from 09/12 (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2012/sep12/OFFICIAL_091212.pdf)





Article on the new Fort Wayne interchange from Saturday:

  Union Chapel interchange on I-69 opens today (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121222/LOCAL/312229973/1002/local) (Journal-Gazette)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 28, 2012, 10:36:32 PM
Quote
Gov.-elect Mike Pence said his administration will prioritize completing the project that Gov. Mitch Daniels – his fellow Republican – pushed about half the distance from Evansville to Indianapolis...

He said during this year's campaign that he intends to launch a blue-ribbon panel to study Indiana's infrastructure and funding needs, and that the options he pursue will evolve out of that panel's recommendations...

Full article: As Daniels prepares to leave office, Pence reaffirms commitment to finishing I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/dec/27/no-headline---interstate69/) (Evansville Courier & Press)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 29, 2012, 12:50:14 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 28, 2012, 10:36:32 PM
Quote
Gov.-elect Mike Pence said his administration will prioritize completing the project that Gov. Mitch Daniels – his fellow Republican – pushed about half the distance from Evansville to Indianapolis...

He said during this year's campaign that he intends to launch a blue-ribbon panel to study Indiana's infrastructure and funding needs, and that the options he pursue will evolve out of that panel's recommendations...

Full article: As Daniels prepares to leave office, Pence reaffirms commitment to finishing I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/dec/27/no-headline---interstate69/) (Evansville Courier & Press)

Another quote from the INDOT Commissioner

Quote"What we're trying to do is, as quickly as we can for the people in and around Bloomington, get section five completed," said INDOT Commissioner Michael B. Cline, who took the job under Daniels and will continue in it under Pence.

He said it's important to press forward with the Bloomington-to-Martinsville section as quickly as possible because a delay would force congestion that Bloomington's roadways are not prepared to handle.

All still depends on them finding a way to fund it, of course.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 30, 2012, 08:22:17 PM
I went down to Evansville today for my father's birthday and drove on I-69 for a second time. It also gave me an opportunity to drive on the highway with snow around, giving it a winter feel. I noticed a few things. First, there was some snow on the highway south of Exit 76 that was the result of blowing and drifting, giving the flat terrain and the north-south routing of the highway this may not be a great stretch to travel during a snowstorm. Two, an Indiana 58 shield was missing from one of the guide signs heading south and two actual guide signs for Exit 62 were gone. Going northbound approaching Exit 32 I saw that another guide sign had been struck, I wonder if the same fate meet the other guide signs and if the recent snowstorms had anything to do with that.

Three, I have heard of recent collisions with deer on this new highway, but my car's attenna almost had a collison with a bird that was flying around the highway, so I guess they're not used to the highway either or something. Finally on a sad note, someone's already written their name on one of the overpasses south of Washington (a different name on each side of the bridge) so there goes the pristine nature of the highway. Other than that, nothing new to report on any highway construction, since it's all snow covered there's likely none. I forget if it was mentioned or not, but SR 45 now has an overpass in the location of Exit 98, where I guess the new interstate will pass under. Furthermore, new gantries are already up at that location, minus the signs. In any case, 2014 can't come soon enough.

One more question, we were at the visitor's center in Downtown Evansville and my father (very interested in the whole I-69 project) had asked the person working at the desk about I-164, asking if there were any news about it changing over to I-69. They had heard that there is an idea about signing BOTH I-69 and I-164 along that stretch, though I'm not sure about when that would happen. I haven't heard anything about this before so I wasn't sure if such an idea was out there, is there any truth to this?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 01, 2013, 11:53:43 PM
There was a fairly strong wind event between Thanksgiving and Christmas (the date escapes me), and it looked to me - from the perspective of being a weather spotter - that at least some of the sign damage along I-69 had to be wind-related, in that in a couple of cases, the posts were still standing, but the signs broke off and bent backward (as they are designed to do).

It's not unheard of for some of Indiana's BGSes to self-destruct, either.  There's one on the new U.S. 231 southbound nearing SR 162 that has completely shed everything that isn't green.  Looks pretty wild!  (I need to get up there and snap a pic.)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 08, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
Quote
The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) has awarded a $57 million contract to an Indiana company for a three-mile section of Interstate 69 in Greene County. The bid submitted by White Construction Inc of Clinton was the lowest among five contractors and $261,000 below the engineer's cost estimate...

State Awards I-69 Expansion Contract (http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=57325)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 20, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
Here's the handout from INDOT's public hearing in Bloomington on Section 5 from back on December 6.  Does a pretty good job of explaining what the current plans are.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/hearing/handout.pdf

Estimated cost is either $545.6 million for Alternative 8A (with a full interchange at Walnut street) or $500.2 million for 8B (keeping the existing partial interchange @ Walnut St, but would require FHWA approval).

In these alternatives (which should be pretty close to final since they're planning on submitting it to the Feds for approval in the Spring), they're going to build a new overpass and extend 17th street and just close off the Vernal Pike interchange once that's done.  17th runs right into Vernal Pike if it gets extended west, so that's smart.

Also they are adding another lane but they're going to use the existing SR 37 median and put in a barrier in the middle instead of acquiring 12 feet of lane on both sides of the road).  This will be 6 lanes all the way from the I-69/SR 37 interchange to Sample Road.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/hearing/accessmaps.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 20, 2013, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: thefro on January 20, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
Here's the handout from INDOT's public hearing in Bloomington on Section 5 from back on December 6.  Does a pretty good job of explaining what the current plans are.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/hearing/handout.pdf

Estimated cost is either $545.6 million for Alternative 8A (with a full interchange at Walnut street) or $500.2 million for 8B (keeping the existing partial interchange @ Walnut St, but would require FHWA approval).

In these alternatives (which should be pretty close to final since they're planning on submitting it to the Feds for approval in the Spring), they're going to build a new overpass and extend 17th street and just close off the Vernal Pike interchange once that's done.  17th runs right into Vernal Pike if it gets extended west, so that's smart.

Also they are adding another lane but they're going to use the existing SR 37 median and put in a barrier in the middle instead of acquiring 12 feet of lane on both sides of the road).  This will be 6 lanes all the way from the I-69/SR 37 interchange to Sample Road.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/hearing/accessmaps.pdf

That PDF is a good, concise summary. As much as section 5 is interesting, there is one more I-69 section 4 contract to be let for a short section between US 231 and SR 45. That letting is now scheduled for March 6. This will be an expensive contract.

INDOT March 6, 2013 Regular Letting (http://www.state.in.us/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2013/mar06/030613-PR69-NTC.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on January 20, 2013, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: thefro on January 20, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
Here's the handout from INDOT's public hearing in Bloomington on Section 5 from back on December 6.  Does a pretty good job of explaining what the current plans are.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/hearing/handout.pdf

Thanks for sharing a very interesting document. I was curious about one thing. I'm sure others who have been following this project longer than I can answer this: why was Alternative 8 selected over either 6 or 7? The comparison in Table 3 indicates Alternatives 6 and 7 are better bargains in most ways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 28, 2013, 07:21:33 AM
http://enr.construction.com/infrastructure/transportation/2013/0128-Indiana-DOT-Seeks-P3-for-I-69-Project.asp

Update on a possible funding mechanism for Section 5

QuoteLast month, INDOT put out a request for information (RFI) seeking public-private partnerships (P3s) to develop Section 5, a 23-mile segment between Bloomington and Martinsville. Construction would cost $350 million to $500 million, according to the RFI. A sixth leg, from Martinsville to Indianapolis, would complete the road but was not in the RFI's scope.

Early signs are encouraging. The state received 17 responses from "regional, national and international firms with extensive expertise in the design, construction and financing of large public infrastructure projects," says Will Wingfield, INDOT spokesman. Bidders are not allowed to use tolls for financing. "Many people think that P3s will instantly lead to tolling," says Wingfield. "We have committed that motorists will be able to drive from Evansville to Indianapolis without paying a toll."

The RFI seeks design-build-finance and design-build-finance-operate-maintain proposals. After reviewing the responses, the state says it will publish a request for qualifications as early as next month, with a final request for proposals in July and an award in October.

Will be interesting to see some of the proposals... wonder if someone will propose shadow tolls as a funding mechanism?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on January 28, 2013, 06:51:16 PM
I suspect Garvee Bonds most likely will be used.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on January 29, 2013, 07:52:56 AM
My first instinct is that must be the name of a baseball player from the 60s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on January 29, 2013, 05:03:34 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F2d77vpk.jpg&hash=fa3aaf4ed5a25d2b28a52e6510ed8243af1da693)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 29, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
Quote from: theline on January 29, 2013, 05:03:34 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baseball-almanac.com%2Fplayers%2Fpics%2Fbobby_bonds_autograph.jpg&hash=2f37be5f3649d001d8ea9e7787055bc6137c9528)

fixed that for ya
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on January 29, 2013, 06:50:40 PM
^^  :bigass: My favorite Bonds, along with Gary "U.S." Bonds.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on January 30, 2013, 06:21:05 PM
Bunch of jokers..........

Garvee bonds you know the stuff Kentucky has used to finance I-75, I-65 six lanes projects and the Louisville bridge projects. Basically it's a loan against future gas revenue.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on January 30, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Yeah, I had looked it up, since I hadn't heard the term before. Google is a wonderful thing. Thanks for the explanation anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2013, 11:24:59 PM
The asphalt section of I-69 near the Patoka River bridges is sinking: http://www.14news.com/story/20877584/indot-says-i-69-is-sinking

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on January 31, 2013, 03:54:16 PM
I hope they mailed in the warranty card.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on February 02, 2013, 03:27:50 PM
So I-69 is sinking..........didn't know my ex-wife drove in that area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on February 04, 2013, 09:34:25 PM
All big projects encourage grafters and greed but this was pretty bold if you ask me.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130203/NEWS14/302030317/Ethicists-question-secrecy-in-I-69-land-sales
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 05, 2013, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: ShawnP on February 04, 2013, 09:34:25 PM
All big projects encourage grafters and greed but this was pretty bold if you ask me.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130203/NEWS14/302030317/Ethicists-question-secrecy-in-I-69-land-sales

Sounds like they're gong to reopen an investigation and maybe change a law or two in response

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130204/NEWS05/302040334/Pence-weighs-in-on-I-69-land-dealings
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US71 on February 05, 2013, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 30, 2013, 11:24:59 PM
The asphalt section of I-69 near the Patoka River bridges is sinking: http://www.14news.com/story/20877584/indot-says-i-69-is-sinking



There's a similar problem along I-540 near Fayetteville, AR. Every 2-3 years, AHTD has to repave a couple small sections because the ground keeps sinking.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on February 06, 2013, 10:53:30 AM
And the same thing that I mentioned a few pages upthread - WisDOT did a couple of short stretches of WI 29 west of Wittenburg, WI with asphalt instead of their usual 'S.O.P.' concrete due to the swampy nature of the subsoils over which the road passes - it makes it much easier to smoothen the roadway as it continues to settle.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on February 07, 2013, 09:30:21 AM
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130203/NEWS02/302030069/
I-69: Indiana inspector general to look at I-69 land sale by state official
Feb 3, 2013
Ryan Sabalow and Tim Evans | The Indianapolis Star

WASHINGTON, IND. – The Indiana inspector general's office has opened a second investigation into a land sale by a high-ranking Indiana Department of Transportation official of property along the proposed route for Interstate 69 through Southern Indiana.

Troy Woodruff, a former state lawmaker who oversaw 500 employees at the INDOT district through which I-69 passed, was cleared in 2010 by the inspector general, the state's top ethics officer, in a land sale he made with the state.

He and his family had engaged in a series of deals that ultimately yielded an 83 percent gain on a piece of land Woodruff owned with his father and brother, but he said he didn't use his influence or political connections to enrich himself or his family.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on February 08, 2013, 01:28:12 AM
In reading the coverage of Woodruff's land dealings, I get the distinct impression that it ain't gonna end well ... for him.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on February 08, 2013, 05:13:13 PM
Greed is a equal opportunity destroyer and Mr. Woodruff will be paying his and that of his family.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on February 20, 2013, 05:39:41 PM
An electrical contractor has been working around the US 50 interchange the past week or so. Believe they are installing lighting, although, I've just noticed them working around the exit and entrance ramps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 20, 2013, 05:59:14 PM
A stoplight there for the NB ramp up to US 50 wouldn't hurt either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on February 20, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
Like most road projects I-69 will have back fill stuff as Indiana has to adjust to people's driving habits. You can predict behavior all you want but humans are humans.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 21, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/monroe-county-residents-surprised-i69-road-closure-45304/

Video from WTIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYEEoR_YtOA&feature=youtu.be) (PBS Station in Bloomington)

QuoteAs construction for Interstate 69 moves its way across southern Monroe County, permanent road closures are forcing some residents to rethink how they get around. As residents near the Monroe/Greene County line say the state did not give them advance warning about the closures.

Carter Road is a small, winding, sometimes gravel road that runs from State Road 45 in Greene County to Breeden Road in southwestern Monroe County. Michael Roberts rents a small home on Carter Road where he raises chickens and maintains a large vegetable garden. He says officials told him the road was closing just five days in advance.

"Unless we go to them, we don't know anything,"  he says. "In the past thee weeks they have cut our water line two or three times and didn't tell us they were going to be digging around it or anything, I just feel that they don't communicate with us at all, they don't tell us anything."

Other residents in both Monroe and Greene counties along the road expressed similar sentiments.

The right of way for the interstate, Roberts says, will be barely 100 feet from his front door. Since he is not a landowner, the state need not compensate him for any inconvenience brought by having an interstate as a new neighbor.

"Its just like, because we rent, we're not even United States citizens, we don't count for anything,"  he says. "We are still taxpayers, we still live here. I'm a veteran of the army, its just crazy the way things have gone down around here."

Officials from the Indiana Department of Transportation say plans to close the road have been in planning books for some time now. Spokesperson Cher Elliott says the final road closure plans were released at a public hearing in August of 2010.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on February 21, 2013, 10:38:47 PM
Seems this resident should be more angry at his landlord than at the state, for not passing along this information that INDOT reportedly and dutifully shared with landowners.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on February 22, 2013, 09:16:14 AM
And it seems the Bloomington news went out of their way to publish a scenario that puts the I-69 construction in the worst possible light. :pan:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on February 22, 2013, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 21, 2013, 10:38:47 PM
Seems this resident should be more angry at his landlord than at the state, for not passing along this information that INDOT reportedly and dutifully shared with landowners.
For some reason, people love blaming the government for the bad things private parties do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 23, 2013, 09:34:35 AM
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2013/02/23/news.indot-seeks-local-ok-to-start-i-69-work-along-ind-37.sto

It's behind a paywall now at the Bloomington Herald Times, but INDOT is seeking approval from the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization to start construction on upgrading SR 37 through Bloomington in 2014.  They will be spending $400k on design/right of way acqusition in 2013, and $20 million on construction in  both 2014 & 2015 and $27.6 million in right-of-away acquisition.  Construction is going to take place from where I-69 joins SR 37 to Kinser Pike, which is listed as the 5A to 5C segments (http://www.i69indyevn.org//wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/VolumeI/S5_Summary.pdf) on the DEIS.  It's around 9 miles in length.

Total money spent from 2013-2015 is estimated at $77.7 million.  No work is going to start north of Kinser Pike until after 2015.  It says the work north of Kinser Pike in the MPO's reigion is supposed to cost $82.9 million, but I think that's incorrect based on the last DEIS and most of that money would probably be going towards finishing section 5A-5C (which were estimated in the DEIS as costing $194 million and may end up 10-20 million less if Bloomington lets them take a strip of the Mountain Bike Park).

The HT article also says all of section 5 will cost $394 million when the last DEIS said $500 to $545 million earlier.  Maybe they got some new numbers from INDOT?

Appears INDOT has made this a priority and already budgeted the money out of their federal transportation dollars (and state budget).

Josh Demond (director of MPO) is quoted saying they want to make improvements to SR 37 before I-69 connects to the road.  Priorities would be the Tapp Road & the Vernal Pike/17th street overpass, along with the other intersections.  They are going to vote on April 12 on whether to approve the plan.

Here is the copy of the proposed TIP amendment on MPO's website.

http://bloomington.in.gov/media/media/application/pdf/13853.pdf

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fcxs3EsG.jpg&hash=67ba2f3a5e5ba69aff8cf7808bb81d6c1c2c701c)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 23, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
Sadly I can't get to the Herald Times, but was there any indication that they were going to build it as it states in the DEIS with six-lanes and interchanges at Fullerton and Tapp along with the bridges at the other locations?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 23, 2013, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 23, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
Sadly I can't get to the Herald Times, but was there any indication that they were going to build it as it states in the DEIS with six-lanes and interchanges at Fullerton and Tapp along with the bridges at the other locations?

There was no information on what was exactly going to get built in what order, just that the MPO would like Vernal Pike & Tapp Road done first and that there would be no work north of Kinser Pike until after 2015. I would assume that they're not going to make any radical changes from their preferred alternative in the DEIS at this point.  My guess is the $77 million would include funding for 1-3 and 7, and maybe parts of 4-6 from this construction sequencing from the DEIS (http://www.i69indyevn.org//wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/VolumeII/S5_Appendix_FF.pdf).

Will Wingfield from INDOT is quoted in the article saying they need approval first from the MPO before the FEIS and ROD can be issued.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 26, 2013, 08:35:33 AM
Yet another lawsuit trying to stop construction (although this would only stop it temporarily and make them issue another FEIS/ROD)

QuoteOpponents of the Interstate 69 highway extension say highway officials used outdated air emissions data in demonstrating that part of the highway now under construction complies with the Clean Air Act.

Highway opponents say state and federal officials used 2004 vehicular emissions data for Greene County in an environmental report to show that emissions were within required limits, even though newer data from 2009 showed higher estimated emissions levels.

Attorney Mick Harrison represents the opponents in their federal lawsuit accusing officials of violating several federal laws in the design, planning and construction of the half-completed 142-mile highway.

Harrison tells the Herald-Times he plans to file a motion seeking to halt work on a 27-mile section of the Evansville-to-Indianapolis highway now being built from the Crane area to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 27, 2013, 11:18:04 PM
http://www.ibj.com/environmental-groups-lob-new-suit-at-i-69-work/PARAMS/article/39885

And CARR files another lawsuit too

QuoteAn Indiana environmental group once again is attempting to stop construction of the Interstate 69 extension between Evansville and Indianapolis by filing suit in federal court.

The Hoosier Environmental Council and Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads brought their complaint Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis seeking to overturn a permit the Army Corps of Engineers issued for the $3 billion project.

The groups say the agency failed to comply with a section of the Clean Water Act because it approved a permit to discharge about 225,000 cubic yards of fill material into wetlands and streams in Greene and Monroe counties without considering less-damaging alternatives.

"In its own rules, the Corps has determined that 'most wetlands constitute a productive and valuable resource, the unnecessary alteration or destruction of which should be discouraged as contrary to the public interest,'"  the environmental groups argue in their suit.

A spokeswoman for the Louisville division of the Army Corps of Engineers said the agency is aware of the lawsuit but cannot comment on pending litigation.

The complaint targets what's known as Section 4 of I-69, which extends 26 miles from the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to Bloomington. Construction on the stretch is under way and should be finished by the end of 2014 at an estimated cost of at least $532 million.

The portion of roadway will cross 18 waterways, affecting about 88,000 linear feet of water and filling more than 9 acres of wetlands, the groups argue.

The odds of halting work on the new terrain route appear long, however. Three sections of I-69 extending from Evansville to Crane already are finished.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 28, 2013, 12:56:30 AM
Please tell me that at some point the federal judge has the authority to make CARR pay the states legal bills.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on February 28, 2013, 08:14:37 AM
Bloomington is run by a bunch of IU idiots. (I'm not joking.) They want to fight something just to fight it. Once I 69 goes through Bloomington everyone there will fall in love with it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on February 28, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: thefro on February 27, 2013, 11:18:04 PM
http://www.ibj.com/environmental-groups-lob-new-suit-at-i-69-work/PARAMS/article/39885

And CARR files another lawsuit too

QuoteAn Indiana environmental group once again is attempting to stop construction of the Interstate 69 extension between Evansville and Indianapolis by filing suit in federal court.

The Hoosier Environmental Council and Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads brought their complaint Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis seeking to overturn a permit the Army Corps of Engineers issued for the $3 billion project.

The groups say the agency failed to comply with a section of the Clean Water Act because it approved a permit to discharge about 225,000 cubic yards of fill material into wetlands and streams in Greene and Monroe counties without considering less-damaging alternatives.

"In its own rules, the Corps has determined that 'most wetlands constitute a productive and valuable resource, the unnecessary alteration or destruction of which should be discouraged as contrary to the public interest,'"  the environmental groups argue in their suit.

A spokeswoman for the Louisville division of the Army Corps of Engineers said the agency is aware of the lawsuit but cannot comment on pending litigation.

The complaint targets what's known as Section 4 of I-69, which extends 26 miles from the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to Bloomington. Construction on the stretch is under way and should be finished by the end of 2014 at an estimated cost of at least $532 million.

The portion of roadway will cross 18 waterways, affecting about 88,000 linear feet of water and filling more than 9 acres of wetlands, the groups argue.

The odds of halting work on the new terrain route appear long, however. Three sections of I-69 extending from Evansville to Crane already are finished.

I mean, what do they think they are going to accomplish with this??? Re-route I-69 on US 41 and I-70?? Downgrade the finished portions of I-69 to a 4-lane expressway and call it IN 37?? Or, just stall it to death and convert it into a high-speed rail corridor.

I sympathize with those who want to protect sensitive environmental areas, but this is getting farcical now.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on February 28, 2013, 10:16:15 AM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on February 28, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: thefro on February 27, 2013, 11:18:04 PM
http://www.ibj.com/environmental-groups-lob-new-suit-at-i-69-work/PARAMS/article/39885

And CARR files another lawsuit too

QuoteAn Indiana environmental group once again is attempting to stop construction of the Interstate 69 extension between Evansville and Indianapolis by filing suit in federal court.

The Hoosier Environmental Council and Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads brought their complaint Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis seeking to overturn a permit the Army Corps of Engineers issued for the $3 billion project.

The groups say the agency failed to comply with a section of the Clean Water Act because it approved a permit to discharge about 225,000 cubic yards of fill material into wetlands and streams in Greene and Monroe counties without considering less-damaging alternatives.

"In its own rules, the Corps has determined that 'most wetlands constitute a productive and valuable resource, the unnecessary alteration or destruction of which should be discouraged as contrary to the public interest,'” the environmental groups argue in their suit.

A spokeswoman for the Louisville division of the Army Corps of Engineers said the agency is aware of the lawsuit but cannot comment on pending litigation.

The complaint targets what's known as Section 4 of I-69, which extends 26 miles from the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to Bloomington. Construction on the stretch is under way and should be finished by the end of 2014 at an estimated cost of at least $532 million.

The portion of roadway will cross 18 waterways, affecting about 88,000 linear feet of water and filling more than 9 acres of wetlands, the groups argue.

The odds of halting work on the new terrain route appear long, however. Three sections of I-69 extending from Evansville to Crane already are finished.

I mean, what do they think they are going to accomplish with this??? Re-route I-69 on US 41 and I-70?? Downgrade the finished portions of I-69 to a 4-lane expressway and call it IN 37?? Or, just stall it to death and convert it into a high-speed rail corridor.

I sympathize with those who want to protect sensitive environmental areas, but this is getting farcical now.  Seriously.

I just drove by this section on Tuesday.  From the (future) overpass on SR 45, it appears only tree clearing has been completed, and no fill has been placed, at least in the vicinity of SR 45.  Perhaps the goal is to limit the I-69 project to its current limits (US 231 area), but I agree it seems like a good way for lawyers to make some money since it is highly unlikely to be a successful case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on February 28, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/midwest/indiana040/in-045_nb_at_i-069_small.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/midwest/indiana040/in-045_nb_at_i-069.jpg)

Just posted this photo to the I-69 Indiana guide (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0069in) showing Indiana 45 north at future Interstate 69 south of Cincinnati. Photo by Jeff. R on February 18, 2013.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on February 28, 2013, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on February 28, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: thefro on February 27, 2013, 11:18:04 PM
http://www.ibj.com/environmental-groups-lob-new-suit-at-i-69-work/PARAMS/article/39885

And CARR files another lawsuit too

QuoteAn Indiana environmental group once again is attempting to stop construction of the Interstate 69 extension between Evansville and Indianapolis by filing suit in federal court.

The Hoosier Environmental Council and Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads brought their complaint Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis seeking to overturn a permit the Army Corps of Engineers issued for the $3 billion project.

The groups say the agency failed to comply with a section of the Clean Water Act because it approved a permit to discharge about 225,000 cubic yards of fill material into wetlands and streams in Greene and Monroe counties without considering less-damaging alternatives.

"In its own rules, the Corps has determined that 'most wetlands constitute a productive and valuable resource, the unnecessary alteration or destruction of which should be discouraged as contrary to the public interest,'"  the environmental groups argue in their suit.

A spokeswoman for the Louisville division of the Army Corps of Engineers said the agency is aware of the lawsuit but cannot comment on pending litigation.

The complaint targets what's known as Section 4 of I-69, which extends 26 miles from the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center to Bloomington. Construction on the stretch is under way and should be finished by the end of 2014 at an estimated cost of at least $532 million.

The portion of roadway will cross 18 waterways, affecting about 88,000 linear feet of water and filling more than 9 acres of wetlands, the groups argue.

The odds of halting work on the new terrain route appear long, however. Three sections of I-69 extending from Evansville to Crane already are finished.

I mean, what do they think they are going to accomplish with this??? Re-route I-69 on US 41 and I-70?? Downgrade the finished portions of I-69 to a 4-lane expressway and call it IN 37?? Or, just stall it to death and convert it into a high-speed rail corridor.

I sympathize with those who want to protect sensitive environmental areas, but this is getting farcical now.  Seriously.

I had some sympathy with the CARR folks, especially after reading Matt Dellinger's excellent book. I thought in balance they were wrong, but I understood that reasonable people could object to the road with reasonable arguments.

It's surely to the point now that they should see the handwriting on the wall. It has become obstructionism just for the sake of obstructionism. The road will be built, and it's just become a punitive contest to see how much they can cost the state (and us taxpayers). I hope the state does ask for costs, though they probably won't get it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 28, 2013, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: US 41 on February 28, 2013, 08:14:37 AM
Bloomington is run by a bunch of IU idiots. (I'm not joking.) They want to fight something just to fight it. Once I 69 goes through Bloomington everyone there will fall in love with it.

Please note however that not everyone in B-Town hates the new highway. Plenty of people there are happy that it will be built and await a quicker route toward Evansville and north to Indianapolis. You just hear about this vocal minority that continues to protest the project because it promotes conflict and conflict sells news stories a lot better than cooperation. Economically, Bloomington probably stands to gain the most from the highway connection, while communities like Washington and Petersburg can only hope that they will be able to grow from the new highway, Bloomington already has the development and growth to improve itself with this interstate connection, and there ARE people in Bloomington who realize this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on February 28, 2013, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 28, 2013, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: US 41 on February 28, 2013, 08:14:37 AM
Bloomington is run by a bunch of IU idiots. (I'm not joking.) They want to fight something just to fight it. Once I 69 goes through Bloomington everyone there will fall in love with it.

Please note however that not everyone in B-Town hates the new highway. Plenty of people there are happy that it will be built and await a quicker route toward Evansville and north to Indianapolis. You just hear about this vocal minority that continues to protest the project because it promotes conflict and conflict sells news stories a lot better than cooperation. Economically, Bloomington probably stands to gain the most from the highway connection, while communities like Washington and Petersburg can only hope that they will be able to grow from the new highway, Bloomington already has the development and growth to improve itself with this interstate connection, and there ARE people in Bloomington who realize this.

I know I'm just talking about the (IU) politicians that want to fight everything. Most of the people probably either want it or don't care if it comes through. I drove on Country Club Road however and there was a sign in someone's yard that said Stop I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on February 28, 2013, 09:30:46 PM
I think tdindy is right that there are plenty of folks (probably the majority) in B-town that realize the value of the road. They just have no motivation to be vocal, because they realize the inevitability of its construction. The obstructionists, on the other hand, know that they have to squawk as loudly as possible to have any chance to stop it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on March 06, 2013, 04:46:47 PM
INDOT is asking that the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization amend its Transportation Improvement Program to include Section 5 of I-69. Details are
on the buildi69.com website (http://www.buildi69.com/?p=1901)

QuoteINDOT hopes to begin safety improvements to existing Highway 37 in late 2013. In order to maintain that schedule and allow safety upgrades to be completed prior to completion of Section 4, it is essential that MPO members vote to approve the inclusion of Section 5 in the TIP amendment, ensuring funds from Federal Highway Administration.

They are requesting supporters to attend the MPO meeting Friday, April 12, at 1:30 pm in Bloomington City Hall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on March 07, 2013, 09:01:02 AM
Some cool news.  I noticed yesterday that the street views are now available on google maps for the completed portion of I-69 in southwestern Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on March 07, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: truejd on March 07, 2013, 09:01:02 AM
Some cool news.  I noticed yesterday that the street views are now available on google maps for the completed portion of I-69 in southwestern Indiana.

Cool, I'll have to check that out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 09, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-construction-begins-tokarski-property-46314/

I-69 construction has started on the CARR founders' property

QuotePlans to connect Indianapolis to Evansville via Interstate 69 have been in the works for decades. In 2002, Tom and Sandra Tokarski organized a group of South Central Indiana residents to fight a plan to build the road on new terrain. Their group, Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads, or CARR, has been the forefront opposition to then Governor Mitch Daniels' plan to construct the highway.

Now, less than five years after the highway broke ground in Evansville, construction has begun on the Tokarski's property.

"It tears your heart out. This is everything we have worked our whole life for,"  he says. "We have lived here for decades, this is what we believed in, this is what we wanted to preserve, it was our legacy for the future, for our children, and our grandchildren. It's all being obliterated for I-69."

The Tokarskis plan to move before the highway is complete. Thomas is a self proclaimed environmentalist.

"We have preserved our woods in a way, we have tried to control erosion, we have let the trees grow, we have let the wildlife live here. We never intended to cut this timber, we were going to let it grow, we consider this a living work of art,"  he says.

While we visited the Tokarski's property Friday, workers who were there clearing trees tried to block the WFIU/WTIU News crew from filming the construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on March 09, 2013, 03:21:50 PM
It's funny how they have no video of these supposed workers trying to stop them. If anything, the workers were probably trying to keep them out of a construction site for safety. Media with an agenda at it's finest.

As for Tom, I understand it's tough to lose your property, but this fight has been on too long now. The inevitable is here now, stop the wasteful attempts.  I need to find out where this is, so I can honk and wave as I drive by.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on March 09, 2013, 03:53:37 PM
I would see TT as more honest if he refused to cash INDOT's check for his property.

He probably won't do that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 09, 2013, 05:20:43 PM
I think I've mentioned this further up, but I wonder if CARR would have been founded if Tom's property wasn't threatened by I-69's construction. Was the founding of CARR something out of his actual love for the enviroment, or self-preservation?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 09, 2013, 09:29:26 PM
Tom,

Keep your remaining property, I am sure your kids will be happy to deal with Day's Inn, McDonalds et al when you are long gone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 09, 2013, 10:34:48 PM
Would serve him right if he doesn't own property where an exit will be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on March 09, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
I usually find that these 'environmentalist' types are supremely hypocritical, in that they live on (so called) 'pristine' property that is far out from where they work and do everything else and drive the heaviest sooves to travel between them.

I recall back in the early-mid 1990s, while I was idly browsing the magazine racks at the Appleton Pvblic Library one afternoon, I found a copy of one of those enviro-whacko journals, picked it up from the rack, opened it and right there on the inside of the front cover was a multi-page foldout ad for the biggest soove on the market at that time.

:-D

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on March 10, 2013, 10:10:29 AM
This guy doesn't seem to get the big picture. All that matters is his own private nature preserve, and a highway totally inappropriate for such a setting is going to obliterate it.

The reality, Mr Tokarski, is that I-69 is perfectly appropriate for Indiana and the Midwest at large, and there is still plenty more natural space.  Your backyard was not the only pristine chunk of land in southern Indiana. Focus your conservation efforts at local planning and zoning policies towards land development, not highways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on March 10, 2013, 12:19:26 PM
If anyone thinks a highway is going to transform their rural area into suburbia they should travel the I-88 corridor in NY, which is no more developed than it was before I-88 was built.  Fact: if your area becomes suburbia, you chose it yourself, by voting to change the zoning laws to allow development.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: InterstateNG on March 10, 2013, 01:01:00 PM
Geeks who like roads being built but who have never owned land should probably not opine on the matter.

I agree that he takes his opposition too far, but to suggest he shouldn't be upset about losing his property, or that he shouldn't be compensated for it, is asinine.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 10, 2013, 02:44:28 PM
It's been my observation -- and in one case, personal experience -- that governments generally overpay for ROW needed for road construction. Add in the fact that they will also pay relocation costs if a new road takes your house and it's my considered opinion that landowners generally come out to the good in such scenarios.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 10, 2013, 04:01:06 PM
Quote from: deanej on March 10, 2013, 12:19:26 PM
If anyone thinks a highway is going to transform their rural area into suburbia they should travel the I-88 corridor in NY, which is no more developed than it was before I-88 was built.  Fact: if your area becomes suburbia, you chose it yourself, by voting to change the zoning laws to allow development.

Since there will be no exits along I-69 in that part of Monroe County (including Tom's property) it's safe to say there will be no suburban style development in that region. I'd imagine that a community like Bloomington is strict on zoning in the rural areas and that the only real suburban style development along I-69 in that county will be around Bloomington, and if anyone's been to SR 37 and SR 48 that is already a reality.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on March 10, 2013, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: deanej on March 10, 2013, 12:19:26 PM
If anyone thinks a highway is going to transform their rural area into suburbia they should travel the I-88 corridor in NY, which is no more developed than it was before I-88 was built.  Fact: if your area becomes suburbia, you chose it yourself, by voting to change the zoning laws to allow development.
Actually it takes a lot more than that.  I-80 exits 97 and 105, not too far west of the Chicago area, have literally nothing around them except a closed restaurant and a big storage building that used to be a Stuckey's.  And corn and soybean fields.  No services of any kind in the immediate area of the exits.  The exits were built in 1960, and the county containing Exit 97 had no zoning until 2006.  In my opinion, it was the lack of the nearby communities extending water, sewer and natural gas to the exit areas that inhibited any development, as well as the possibility that the land owners valued the adjacent land higher than prospective developers were willing to pay.  And there is also the demand for development that is either there or not, and doen't "automatically" follow the placement of a new highway. 

Exit 105 may finally get developed as a result of a rail/truck intermodal that is being developed on the CSX rail line a few miles to the south, but it's been in the works for 5 years with no dirt turned yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on March 11, 2013, 08:52:31 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 09, 2013, 05:20:43 PM
I think I've mentioned this further up, but I wonder if CARR would have been founded if Tom's property wasn't threatened by I-69's construction. Was the founding of CARR something out of his actual love for the enviroment, or self-preservation?
My recollection of Matt Dellinger's well-researched book on the subject, Tom registered his objection to the project before the definition of the alternative corridors, much less the selection of the one running through his property. Of course, he had a long history of protesting projects that he thought would despoil the country, so his opposition here was to be expected. I have little doubt that the final route selection through his back yard influenced his perseverance. NIMBY indeed!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on March 12, 2013, 10:30:15 AM
It would be ironic if his back yard was targeted for the routing because he's such a NIMBY.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on March 23, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 09, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
I usually find that these 'environmentalist' types are supremely hypocritical, in that they live on (so called) 'pristine' property that is far out from where they work and do everything else and drive the heaviest sooves to travel between them.

I recall back in the early-mid 1990s, while I was idly browsing the magazine racks at the Appleton Pvblic Library one afternoon, I found a copy of one of those enviro-whacko journals, picked it up from the rack, opened it and right there on the inside of the front cover was a multi-page foldout ad for the biggest soove on the market at that time.

:-D

Mike

Right, so that somehow makes the substance of the message of the environmentalist movement invalid if you can somehow make them out to be "hypocrites" as if polluted air, water, soil, and global climate change will magically cease to exist.

The pavement worshippers on this site make me sick. Just pave everything. Who cares that this road was given approval using intentionally outdated air quality figures?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on March 23, 2013, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: US 41 on February 28, 2013, 08:14:37 AM
Bloomington is run by a bunch of IU idiots. (I'm not joking.) They want to fight something just to fight it. Once I 69 goes through Bloomington everyone there will fall in love with it.

Bloomington is a far nicer, tolerant, and diverse place because it is run by "idiots." You can keep your cesspool dump Terre Haute with its precious interstate access.

The local politicians are OVERWHELMINGLY elected by the public so it is more than safe to say their views reflect those of the citizenry. Why can't a pro I-69 politician get elected in Bloomington? You can't explain that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 23, 2013, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on March 23, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
The pavement worshippers on this site make me sick.

Uh, this is a roads site.

Quote from: hoosierguy on March 23, 2013, 04:46:52 PM

Bloomington is a far nicer, tolerant, and diverse place because it is run by "idiots." You can keep your cesspool dump Terre Haute with its precious interstate access.

The local politicians are OVERWHELMINGLY elected by the public so it is more than safe to say their views reflect those of the citizenry. Why can't a pro I-69 politician get elected in Bloomington? You can't explain that.

Bloomington is just a pimple on the ass of the rest of the state that wants -- and in the case of the areas to the south and west of it, needs -- this road. If the people there want to fight traffic lights and surface traffic on 37 when they try to go to Indianapolis, they shouldn't be able to dictate to the rest of the people between Indy and Evansville that they have to put up with the same nonsense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 23, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 23, 2013, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on March 23, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
The pavement worshippers on this site make me sick.

Uh, this is a roads site.
Which doesn't mean all its members must be idiots. Some of us actually realize that the current default policy of building more roads is getting us fucked in the ass.

Swearing is allowed. Name-calling, especially in terms of politics, is not. Don't make it personal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 3467 on March 23, 2013, 09:03:02 PM
I have no problem with roads. but building raods for the sake of it no way. I have long ranted about the stupidity around US 20 in Illinois and I generally support I-69 esp. this segment
In Illinois the legislature has been voting on various pension cutting schemes even when the Constituation says no and the Democratic Senate leader said hed rather spend money on roads.....The pension cutting fever has spread to Kentucky now . I hope hbelkins gets his pension. Anyway i am veeering off topic. There is a pension thread I started because it is an important issue to our DOT employees
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on March 23, 2013, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on March 23, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 09, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
I usually find that these 'environmentalist' types are supremely hypocritical, in that they live on (so called) 'pristine' property that is far out from where they work and do everything else and drive the heaviest sooves to travel between them.

I recall back in the early-mid 1990s, while I was idly browsing the magazine racks at the Appleton Pvblic Library one afternoon, I found a copy of one of those enviro-whacko journals, picked it up from the rack, opened it and right there on the inside of the front cover was a multi-page foldout ad for the biggest soove on the market at that time.

:-D

Mike

Right, so that somehow makes the substance of the message of the environmentalist movement invalid if you can somehow make them out to be "hypocrites" as if polluted air, water, soil, and global climate change will magically cease to exist.

The pavement worshippers on this site make me sick. Just pave everything. Who cares that this road was given approval using intentionally outdated air quality figures?

Ummmm....not all members of this forum are right-wing "smother everything with concrete" neanderthals; and just because you don't like the road doesn't give you the right to demonize those who do for their own reasons.

You may talk all you want about how terrible this road may be, but the people and politicians of Indiana have spoken enough about this road to build nearly half of it....and it's probably better to simply end this madness of absolutism and work to make the finished project as environmentally friendly and effective as it can be.

For the record, I may be the most politically left-wing participant in this forum, and I sympathize with the overall goals of enviromnentalists who have legitimate concerns about protecting resources and people. But, there comes a time when good intentions cross the line into simple blind myopia...and Bloomington's war against I-69 has long since passed that line.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 3467 on March 23, 2013, 10:38:06 PM
I amy be close to you left wise Anthony and I do enjoy NE2s humor but this strech of 1-69 has been studied for maybe 50 years long before 1-69 and CARR and Bloomington did exercise their rights druing the EIS and their suits over NEPA and the ESA. I support those rights and reveiw There sould not be knee jerk response against regulations. They do take time but they help our system by preventing Malinvestment (google Ghost cities of China)But here CARR did raise serious issues and the judge that reveiwed them gave a serious response esp in RE The Indiana bat,while WNS has changed and will change things some in the future . I  69 will not endanger any species and that is good.
At this point Bloomington is whining about an already 4 lane bypass that has nneded work for 30 years
What needs focus is revsing states like Illinois with 15-20 billion in fanatsy roads when it has 80 Billion in infunded pension debt and a total of 120 billion of debt.
Sanity says that something like Missouri's 2+1 makes more sense
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on March 24, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
The extension of I-69 is one of the few new road projects that has any momentum in this country. Most other highway projects these days affect existing roadways for things like widening, straightening, short realignments, maintenance, replacement, etc. The concept of "paving over everything" applies more to commercial developers and housing builders. They deserve the angst, but rarely seem to get it...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on March 24, 2013, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 24, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
The concept of "paving over everything" applies more to commercial developers

Most literally true of Walmart and other big boxes, with their hundred-acre parking lots.  Has anyone (protesters or zoning boards) asked Walmart to build a 3-level parking structure and public greenspace instead?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 24, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: vtk on March 24, 2013, 01:56:48 PM
Has anyone (protesters or zoning boards) asked Walmart to build a 3-level parking structure and public greenspace instead?
There are several multi-story Walmarts due to zoning.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/walmart-gets-into-the-zone/article_fa78294e-d070-11e1-8070-001a4bcf887a.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on March 24, 2013, 05:47:08 PM
Madison, WI has one (as well as a multi-story Target).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 24, 2013, 06:20:08 PM
Bloomington had a smaller Wal-Mart right at the SR 45/SR 37 (future I-69) interchange that also shared the space with Sam's Club. Of course, Wal-Mart HAD to build a new store at the intersection with SR 45 and Curry Pike, abandoning their previous property and building a store with a larger footprint (and a gas station!) So yeah, Bloomington is really dedicated to preventing this kind of development.

Since Google still hasn't updated imagry for the city since 2005 (before the store was built) here's the Bing imagary of the site.

http://binged.it/15IK8SF

And for anyone really worried about the potential sprawl that I-69 would bring to B-Town, just pan north of that image and look at the well-planned area of SR 48 and SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 24, 2013, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 23, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
Swearing is allowed. Name-calling, especially in terms of politics, is not. Don't make it personal.

It is?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0

Quote
What's not allowed:
...
Pointless cursing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on March 25, 2013, 12:30:19 AM
I wouldn't say NE2's cursing was pointless, or done for shock value.  When someone of this generation feels that way about something, that's quite natural language to use to convey that concern.  It could be put more politely, but that might dull the message and/or sound uncharacteristic of the speaker.  I, on the other hand, am comfortable using many polite words where a few vulgar ones would suffice – in writing, anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 25, 2013, 05:26:55 AM
My bad. I meant to say it's getting us fought in the Alps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on March 25, 2013, 08:58:47 AM
Quote from: Alex on March 24, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
The extension of I-69 is one of the few new road projects that has any momentum in this country. Most other highway projects these days affect existing roadways for things like widening, straightening, short realignments, maintenance, replacement, etc. The concept of "paving over everything" applies more to commercial developers and housing builders. They deserve the angst, but rarely seem to get it...

It is generally recognized that there will be few new "greenfield" highway projects in this country in this century. I was part of the golden era of legacy interstate highway construction, working on the original construction of I-55 in IL as a teenager.  I also worked on a rail transit extension not much later...what is now the Metra Electric extension to University Park.  I have continued to work on highway and rail projects through my current career.  The process for planning and designing any large "public works" project on new alignment is much more deliberate and expensive than it used to be, and affects all modes including the high speed rail projects being pursued as well as the new alignment highways that are in planning.  Having also worked with developers (mostly in a permit review mode) the private development process is a little more deliberate than it used to be, but has not expanded nearly as much as for the public sector projects.  It is fair to say that public involvement is a greater part of both sectors' development processes than in years past, although private development focuses more on positive PR while public development strives more for input and inclusion. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 02, 2013, 04:48:21 PM
INDOT takes the CARR Founders to court

http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/tokarskis-argue-court-access-land-47481/

QuoteINDOT officials are seeking what is known as a writ of assistance to help keep Tom and Sandra Tokarski off land they previously owned through which contractors are building I-69. The couple is allowed on adjacent land, but not on the road's right-of-way or on an easement next to the road's path.

They allege they're not only allowed to be on the land, but they need to be there to keep contractors from fouling the environment. In court Tuesday, lawyers for the state sought to show the area is dangerous because of the heavy machinery operating there and the changing topography of the area — both of which can cause liability issues for the state and imminent danger to any visitors.

But the Tokarskis' lawyer Rudolph Savich says he thinks that argument is a smoke screen generated after the couple filed a complaint with the Indiana Department of Environmental Management about polluted runoff at the site.

"It never became an issue until they got a complaint from IDEM about the lack of erosion control.  It seems to me fairly obvious that the true reason for this write of assistance to keep the Tokarskis off their property was to keep them from being able to document these environmental violations and not the Tokarskis' or anybody else's safety."

While on the stand, Tom Tokarski was asked about a state statute which says it's illegal to interfere with state work. "If telling the truth is interfering with their work,"  he responded, "Then I guess we're guilty."

Savich says he believes the case will be appealed no matter how judge Francie Hill rules.  That ruling could come in the next couple weeks. A trial has tentatively been scheduled for April of next year after attorneys for both sides agreed mediation was unlikely to succeed. Lawyers for the state repeatedly declined comment Tuesday.
Title: I-69 Contract Awarded in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 02, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
The last contract for section 4 was finally awarded.

March 20, 2013 Special Letting Results (http://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2013/mar20/OFFICIAL032013.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 02, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
QuoteWhile on the stand, Tom Tokarski was asked about a state statute which says it's illegal to interfere with state work. "If telling the truth is interfering with their work,"  he responded, "Then I guess we're guilty."

In a manner of speaking, pointing out some improper methods in the state's work does indeed interfere with the state's improper work.  But more to the point, trespassing in a construction zone is interfering with the state's work.  The Tokarskis' self-appointed capacity as environmental protection protocol watchdogs does not excuse them from that offense.  Had INDOT hired them for that purpose – and I suspect they'd be willing to do the job for free – the story would be different.  (There would probably be a site-safety training day, some hard hats, and a signing of liability waivers for starters...)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2013, 08:38:06 PM
And when the goverbagger decides to ignore environmental protection...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on April 02, 2013, 09:12:02 PM
EPA is extremely aggressive when it comes to erosion control inspections. If there really was/is a problem, there will be a press release in a little while announcing the problem and how much INDOT is getting fined.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on April 02, 2013, 09:25:55 PM
Of course, the Tokarskis are experts and know improper erosion control efforts when they see it.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on April 02, 2013, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: vtk on April 02, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
QuoteWhile on the stand, Tom Tokarski was asked about a state statute which says it's illegal to interfere with state work. "If telling the truth is interfering with their work,"  he responded, "Then I guess we're guilty."

In a manner of speaking, pointing out some improper methods in the state's work does indeed interfere with the state's improper work.  But more to the point, trespassing in a construction zone is interfering with the state's work.  The Tokarskis' self-appointed capacity as environmental protection protocol watchdogs does not excuse them from that offense.  Had INDOT hired them for that purpose – and I suspect they'd be willing to do the job for free – the story would be different.  (There would probably be a site-safety training day, some hard hats, and a signing of liability waivers for starters...)

Hardly. Watchdog groups are known all over for being the independent, third party voice that is needed to keep government and corporations in check.

Like with the Arkansas oil pipeline bust and subsequent environmental disaster. Exxon is busy keeping photographers and press at bay - they don't want others to see the destruction that has been caused.

It's about checks and balances. Do you think that INDOT will let an environmental organization onto a construction site? Hardly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on April 02, 2013, 10:49:40 PM
Not only will there be INDOT inspectors overseeing the job and telling the contractor to mitigate any damage or stop improper  actions, there will probably be someone from Indiana's version of what Kentucky calls the Division of Water riding herd on the contractor, as well.

This is just the Tokarskis being assholes.

Plus, given our experience at the Fort-to-Port meet when some of the attendees were chased off the work site by an unfriendly Indiana state trooper, I'd posit that Indiana is pretty proactive when it comes to keeping trespassers out of construction projects.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on April 04, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
I just logged into AAroads and found a bit of irony in the banner ad that appeared at the top:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F1622s78.png&hash=0e63e763ceb9e34b3cc8987729711008eb23164c)

Some B-town residents are trying to make it harder for me to get there.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 04, 2013, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: theline on April 04, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
I just logged into AAroads and found a bit of irony in the banner ad that appeared at the top:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F1622s78.png&hash=0e63e763ceb9e34b3cc8987729711008eb23164c)

Some B-town residents are trying to make it harder for me to get there.  :banghead:

How is Bloomington, IN "The Cultural Pulse of the Midwest"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 04, 2013, 04:30:28 PM
I would have thought Chicago would be that. It is definently the Cultural Pulse of Monroe County however. It is a magazine quote and you can't always take those things in advertisements at face value.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on April 04, 2013, 09:01:27 PM
They had to come up with some slogan. It's a tough job. "More exciting than Jasper"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 04, 2013, 09:44:48 PM
How about "Where Bobby Knight chocked his players before it was cool"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 05, 2013, 06:55:05 AM
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/apr/04/indiana-senate-budget-includes-sliver-gov-pences-p/

QuoteThe Indiana Senate is advancing a new two-year, $30 billion budget that matches the education funding increases already approved by the House and sets extra money aside to eventually expand the state's highways.

QuoteThe Senate's budget increases roads funding by $112 million annually for the Indiana Department of Transportation and another $101 million for municipalities — as long as those municipalities have enacted wheel taxes.

"There does need to be skin in the game,"  Long said. "There is a method for helping yourself — the wheel tax. We think if the state invests, so should the locals."

It also sets aside $200 million per year to go into a new "Major Moves 2020"  fund. That fund would eventually be tapped to finish the 142-mile Interstate 69 extension, as well as add a third lane each way to Interstate 65 and Interstate 70 and build the "Indiana Commerce Connector,"  a proposed tolled loop around the southeast side of Indianapolis.

Here is the relevant slide from the budget summary (http://www.in.gov/legislative/senate_republicans/images/photogallery/Documents/Senate%20Budget%20slides%20for%202013-04-04%20Committee%20Presentation%20-%20UPDATED%20-%20for%20website.pdf) that was released

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 05, 2013, 10:01:45 AM
Went up to Anderson this week on I-65 and a widening and rebuild is badly needed. It's in very poor shape and over traveled with tons of Semi's. Kentucky will have I-65 six lanes by 2020-22 time frame (the horrific crashes south of Elizabethtown have kicked them into gear). So if this plan goes thru then I-65 could six lanes from Chicago area to Tennesse/Kentucky border by 2025 (wow). Not a fan of the commerce connector as the local roads are plenty good to go back door into Anderson. Would rather spend that money on US-31 north of Indy and US-150 towards Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on April 05, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: thefro on April 05, 2013, 06:55:05 AM
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/apr/04/indiana-senate-budget-includes-sliver-gov-pences-p/

Here is the relevant slide from the budget summary (http://www.in.gov/legislative/senate_republicans/images/photogallery/Documents/Senate%20Budget%20slides%20for%202013-04-04%20Committee%20Presentation%20-%20UPDATED%20-%20for%20website.pdf) that was released

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4YQNdOL.jpg%29L.jpg&hash=6b91b08330ff7fcfa3bb7a8c8b719a0134a96b29)

All great improvements (other than the Commerce Connector, which seems like a sprawl-inducing waste).  Switch out the Commerce Connector for US 31 freeway upgrade work, and we've got a deal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on April 05, 2013, 03:11:43 PM
^^ What he said!  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 05, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
I'll also concur, in fact, take out the Commerce Connector and finish I-69 from Martinsville to Indianapolis AND finish the US 31 corridor. An I-69 widening to Anderson or at least Exit 210 couldn't hurt either along with a widening of I-465 from the new interchange with I-69 up to I-70 to the east side, that should negate most of the need for the Commerce Connector, excpet for the apparent need for sprawl.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 05, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on April 04, 2013, 09:44:48 PM
How about "Where Bobby Knight chocked his players before it was cool"?

Wow, that one made me laugh!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 05, 2013, 10:55:43 PM
What is the Indy commerce connector?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on April 05, 2013, 11:55:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 05, 2013, 10:55:43 PM
What is the Indy commerce connector?

A proposed second outer bypass of Indy, that could possibly carry I-69 if Segment 5 is blocked. Mostly, though, a sprawl inducer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on April 06, 2013, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 05, 2013, 11:55:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 05, 2013, 10:55:43 PM
What is the Indy commerce connector?

A proposed second outer bypass of Indy, that could possibly carry I-69 if Segment 5 is blocked. Mostly, though, a road that will generate and encourage economic development.

FIFY.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 06, 2013, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 05, 2013, 11:55:00 PM
Mostly, though, a road that will generate and encourage more money in offshore banks.

FIFY.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on April 06, 2013, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 06, 2013, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 05, 2013, 11:55:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 05, 2013, 10:55:43 PM
What is the Indy commerce connector?

A proposed second outer bypass of Indy, that could possibly carry I-69 if Segment 5 is blocked. Mostly, though, a road that will generate and encourage economic development.

FIFY.

Yeah, right....for whom?  Cintra??

They need to finish I-69 to Indy and complete upgrading US 31 between Indy and South Bend before they even consider this outer loop boondoggle.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 07, 2013, 09:48:46 AM
Glad everyone sees this Indianapolis "Commerce Connector" for the POS it is. Folks think because we like roads we want everyone built. Nope we want good functional, useful and in my case quality roads built (my pet peeve is under building needed roads.........hear me Missouri and Illinois on the I-70 bridge). Does anyone have a guess on the cost of upgrading US-31 north of Indianapolis to a full freeway after the 3 big projects are done? Looks like a doable project aka I-49 upgrade in Missouri but more expensive with ROW needs and more interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on April 07, 2013, 09:54:41 AM
Sorry, but I still don't see the need for a full freeway-ization of US 31. Bypass places like Kokomo, yes, but the rest of the route is a perfectly good surface four-lane. This is in the same category of foolishness as the oft-mentioned desire to extend I-26 up US 23 into Virginia and Kentucky.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 07, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
I wouldn't mind freeway conversion of 31 as a long-term goal, but there's no hurry aside from bypassing urban areas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 07, 2013, 04:49:09 PM
US 31 is pretty barren outside of those 3 sections that they're upgrading to freeway standards.  Those will be be the biggest problem spots in upgrading the whole thing by far (unless Carmel/Westfield sprawls north past the freeway segment).  I'm sure it'd still cost quite a bit to upgrade the rest, but per-mile it ought to be a lot cheaper than SR 37 to I-69 or upgrading US 41 from Evansville to Terre Haute.  I think people want it upgraded just so you can go 70 mph on the road and cut down on travel time to South Bend (which also happens to be a very boring drive).

Agree that the ICC is a boondoggle... I've mentioned that I could see a freeway from I-69 on the N side to I-70 on the E side as being useful, but that'd probably make the sprawl even worse on that side of the city.  I have no idea what the point even is if you're not going to toll it (not that you'd make money of the tolls anyway).

On I-65 & I-70, I'd start on widening the roads to 3 lanes around the metro areas where they're not already.  North of Louisville to Memphis, IN (this will be needed with I-265 being connected to the KY side with the new bridge), from Franklin up to Greenwood, and the Lafayette area on I-65, then Terre Haute on I-70 along with maybe the east side past I-465 in Indy.  The rest is generally fine except when semis pass each other (and there is a lot of truck traffic on I-65).

I know politically they'll want to spread the money around to get support, but hopefully INDOT continues to prioritize upgrading SR 37 to I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on April 07, 2013, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: trafficsignal on April 05, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Here is the relevant slide from the budget summary (http://www.in.gov/legislative/senate_republicans/images/photogallery/Documents/Senate%20Budget%20slides%20for%202013-04-04%20Committee%20Presentation%20-%20UPDATED%20-%20for%20website.pdf) that was released

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4YQNdOL.jpg%29L.jpg&hash=6b91b08330ff7fcfa3bb7a8c8b719a0134a96b29)

No mention of the Illiana?  I though the Commerce Connector was supposed to be the same type of private toll road facility as the Illiana.

Wonder if the six laning of I-70 listing means the truck only lanes for I-70 have died?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 07, 2013, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 07, 2013, 09:54:41 AM
Sorry, but I still don't see the need for a full freeway-ization of US 31. Bypass places like Kokomo, yes, but the rest of the route is a perfectly good surface four-lane. This is in the same category of foolishness as the oft-mentioned desire to extend I-26 up US 23 into Virginia and Kentucky.

It is not "perfectly good". While you as someone who lives in another state may not see the need for an upgrade, people from the area certainly do. These would be the primary reasons:

From the perspective of a commuter, it is pretty clear the current highway is dangerous as the highway is certainly congested both ways from Kokomo to Indy during the rush hours. Any accident causes long backups. I would be interested if people who live near South Bend or in western Michigan travelling south think that making US 31 a freeway through northern Indiana (esp. south of Peru) would be foolishness.

Quote from: thefro on April 07, 2013, 04:49:09 PM
US 31 is pretty barren outside of those 3 sections that they're upgrading to freeway standards....   I think people want it upgraded just so you can go 70 mph on the road and cut down on travel time to South Bend (which also happens to be a very boring drive).

The Peru, Grisson ARB, Tipton (where the new Chrysler plant is being built), and from 236th Street south are not barren. I would say nothing south of US 24 is close to being desolate. North of US 24 is where lower traffic counts, lack of stoplights, and low population density make an upgrade a somewhat lower priority.

The flat, boring drive is why the serious accidents happen so frequently at the traffic lights.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on April 08, 2013, 08:16:29 AM
There are road cnstruction signs in Bloomington ow on SR 37 for the I69 interchange. They also put TO I69 signs at the SR 37 / SR 45 interchange refering to the current end of 69 in Crane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 08, 2013, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: thefro on April 07, 2013, 04:49:09 PM
US 31 is pretty barren outside of those 3 sections that they're upgrading to freeway standards.  Those will be be the biggest problem spots in upgrading the whole thing by far (unless Carmel/Westfield sprawls north past the freeway segment).  I'm sure it'd still cost quite a bit to upgrade the rest, but per-mile it ought to be a lot cheaper than SR 37 to I-69 or upgrading US 41 from Evansville to Terre Haute.  I think people want it upgraded just so you can go 70 mph on the road and cut down on travel time to South Bend (which also happens to be a very boring drive).

Agree that the ICC is a boondoggle... I've mentioned that I could see a freeway from I-69 on the N side to I-70 on the E side as being useful, but that'd probably make the sprawl even worse on that side of the city.  I have no idea what the point even is if you're not going to toll it (not that you'd make money of the tolls anyway).

On I-65 & I-70, I'd start on widening the roads to 3 lanes around the metro areas where they're not already.  North of Louisville to Memphis, IN (this will be needed with I-265 being connected to the KY side with the new bridge), from Franklin up to Greenwood, and the Lafayette area on I-65, then Terre Haute on I-70 along with maybe the east side past I-465 in Indy.  The rest is generally fine except when semis pass each other (and there is a lot of truck traffic on I-65).

I know politically they'll want to spread the money around to get support, but hopefully INDOT continues to prioritize upgrading SR 37 to I-69.

I drive between Louisville and South Bend 6-8 times a year, and I can tell you exactly what will improve safety and commute times the most.

I-65: Upgrading just Sellersburg-Memphis and Greenwood-Franklin will help very little.  The slowdowns on I-65 are due much more to trucks passing each other than from suburban commuter traffic, and those trucks are usually running the entire length and not just the suburban stretches.  Other than the Kokomo section of US 31, nothing would improve the trip time more than getting the 3rd lane all the way from Sellersburg-Greenwood.  I don't travel I-70, but I can only assume the same holds true there.

US 31:  The Tipton and southern Miami county sections are not nearly as "barren" as they used to be.  They could definitely use upgrading.  The section between Plymouth and Peru is stoplight-free and probably isn't as much of a priority, but again I would rate all of this a lower priority than the 3rd lane on I-65 (& I-70).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 08, 2013, 12:17:28 PM
The Kentuckian TIP has a six lane project from Sellersburg to Memphis sked in 2015 project. I believe this will happen as the TIP PDF is a few years old but they have pretty much followed it without many projects dropping off.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 08, 2013, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 08, 2013, 08:16:29 AM
There are road cnstruction signs in Bloomington ow on SR 37 for the I69 interchange. They also put TO I69 signs at the SR 37 / SR 45 interchange refering to the current end of 69 in Crane.

Really, that's news to me. I have heard that construction is starting in Bloomington and I hope to see it later this spring, but I didn't know if they were going to have an I-69 shields up there now. Are there I-69 shields along SR 45 too?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 08, 2013, 10:44:02 PM
So current phase is to finish it until sr 37 and past that there is no funding right?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on April 08, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
I drove from Indy to Evansville via 37, 45, and I 69 over Easter weekend. There are "TO 69" signs from the 37/45 interchange along every turn until you reach i69 in Crane
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 09, 2013, 06:51:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 08, 2013, 10:44:02 PM
So current phase is to finish it until sr 37 and past that there is no funding right?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg205705#msg205705

INDOT wants to start construction on upgrading SR 37 within Bloomington to I-69 in 2014 and apparently has money earmarked for that from their normal budget/federal funding.  $77.7 million is what they're planning on spending on that between 2013-2015.

There is a meeting this Friday actually where the Bloomington/Monroe County MPO will vote on whether to approve it (that's the next step in the process as they can't use federal money if the MPO rejects it).  We should learn more in that meeting.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/apr/09/crews-finish-clearing-path-new-i-69-stretch/
QuoteBLOOMINGTON, Ind. – Workers and machines have finished clearing trees from the path of one of the final stretches of the Interstate 69 extension in Southern Indiana.

Crews worked long hours and weekends to clear the 27-mile swath from U.S. 231 in Greene County and Indiana 37 near Bloomington.

The job was completed by the March 31 deadline. The Herald-Times reports (http://bit.ly/10JwuNr ) tree cutting isn't allowed between April 1 and Nov. 15 under a federal-state deal designed to protect the endangered Indiana bat during roosting season.

The state also is restoring or preserving 4,100 acres of wetlands, streams and forests.

The felled trees still must be chipped and removed to make way for construction.

If nothing interferes with construction, I-69 from Evansville to Bloomington should be completed by the end of 2014.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 09, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
http://www.urbanindy.com/2013/04/09/indiana-commerce-connector-back-in-play/

I wonder what number the ICC would carry if it were built
Title: Tree clearing completed for I-69 section 4
Post by: mukade on April 09, 2013, 06:16:04 PM
Tree clearing completed for I-69 through Greene, Monroe counties (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=69353&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206) (Indiana Economic digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 09, 2013, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 09, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
http://www.urbanindy.com/2013/04/09/indiana-commerce-connector-back-in-play/

I wonder what number the ICC would carry if it were built
My choice would be 666 because it is the devil that will steal badly needed funds from other state projects.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 09, 2013, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 09, 2013, 06:16:04 PM
Tree clearing completed for I-69 through Greene, Monroe counties (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=69353&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206) (Indiana Economic digest)
States love their data so I know they have a estimate of the board feet cut up would love to have that number. New to Indiana in the last 3 years so a bit unfamiliar with state road ops. So who gets the money from the cut up timber?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 09, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
I was under the impression that the commerce connector would be I-69, leaving the stretch from Anderson southward to be a spur route, but that was only an impression. I viewed the commerce connector as a way of getting out of building Section 6 of I-69.

Interesting for me, given the negative reaction to the highway on THIS board and the negative reaction from the anti-highway/pro-transit crowd elsewhere, this appears to be a project that multiple groups on usually different sides of the whole "highway debate" can come together on. It says something when the people (and granted this may not be speaking for everyone out there) here say that the ICC is a bad idea, and we generally like roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 09, 2013, 07:53:55 PM
Also, there's already a road called ICC.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 09, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 09, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
I was under the impression that the commerce connector would be I-69, leaving the stretch from Anderson southward to be a spur route, but that was only an impression. I viewed the commerce connector as a way of getting out of building Section 6 of I-69.

I have not seen anything official that it could be I-69, but there was speculation that it could be because it solved some of the issues around rebuilding SR 37 as it approaches I-465.

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 09, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
Interesting for me, given the negative reaction to the highway on THIS board and the negative reaction from the anti-highway/pro-transit crowd elsewhere, this appears to be a project that multiple groups on usually different sides of the whole "highway debate" can come together on. It says something when the people (and granted this may not be speaking for everyone out there) here say that the ICC is a bad idea, and we generally like roads.

I am against the ICC purely on the basis that other road projects should have a higher priority including US 31. At some point, it may make sense, but certainly not now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 09, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
Does anyone think this ICC would be supported by more people in the area if it were simply a divided highway with at grade intersections?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on April 09, 2013, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 09, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
Does anyone think this ICC would be supported by more people in the area if it were simply a divided highway with at grade intersections?
No. It just doesn't make sense to build anything there. Kinda like most of the "freeways" in West Virginia (Corridor H, etc.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on April 10, 2013, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 09, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
Does anyone think this ICC would be supported by more people in the area if it were simply a divided highway with at grade intersections?

I think its too far out to be of any real use regionally.  Now, if they would use the proposed money to support the local/regional 4-lane boulevard "ring" plan (upgrade Mt. Comfort + whatever Johnson Co. is thinking about - Worthsville Rd.? - to match Ronald Reagan & 146th St.), I could see that having some traction since its in more of a developed / developing area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 10, 2013, 07:53:22 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 09, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
I was under the impression that the commerce connector would be I-69, leaving the stretch from Anderson southward to be a spur route, but that was only an impression. I viewed the commerce connector as a way of getting out of building Section 6 of I-69.

Interesting for me, given the negative reaction to the highway on THIS board and the negative reaction from the anti-highway/pro-transit crowd elsewhere, this appears to be a project that multiple groups on usually different sides of the whole "highway debate" can come together on. It says something when the people (and granted this may not be speaking for everyone out there) here say that the ICC is a bad idea, and we generally like roads.

Well, some of the local opposition to ICC is the typical knee-jerk reaction from people who are against the government spending any money on anything.  Then on top of that I think a lot of it is that most people don't see it as a road they would use.

Where I don't see the proponents doing a good job of selling the ICC is that they aren't emphasizing how much thru traffic (especially truck traffic) it will clear off the current choke points in Marion/Hamilton counties which will make a lot of people's commutes better even if they aren't using the road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 10, 2013, 08:44:08 AM
It's my understanding that the Indiana Commerce Connector is meant to serve the truck traffic it will create.  I'm imagining development like what's along Alum Creek Dr between I-270 and Rickenbacker Int'l Airport in Columbus, but on a much larger scale.

I'm not really opposed to the road or the development.  But the road does not serve the public aside from the traffic needs of the development it will enable; therefore I consider the road to be part of the development.  Thus, construction of the Indiana Commerce Connector should be funded entirely by the private interests that intend to develop the land there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on April 10, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 09, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
http://www.urbanindy.com/2013/04/09/indiana-commerce-connector-back-in-play/

I wonder what number the ICC would carry if it were built
MD 200

Explanation:
Quote from: vtk on April 09, 2013, 07:53:55 PM
Also, there's already a road called ICC.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 10, 2013, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 10, 2013, 07:53:22 AM
Where I don't see the proponents doing a good job of selling the ICC is that they aren't emphasizing how much thru traffic (especially truck traffic) it will clear off the current choke points in Marion/Hamilton counties which will make a lot of people's commutes better even if they aren't using the road.

Operation Indy Commute is supposed to be taking care of the choke points, or at least two of them. Widening I-65 and I-70 to six lanes across the state help too in relieving congestion caused by trucks and I-465 is already at least six lanes around the city, forming a suitable bypass. That said, if I-465 were widened to eight lanes at least for the remainder of its loop (mainly the north and south sides) and interchanges improved to improve traffic flow (such as the I-65 south side and I-69 north side interchanges) then the ability to get around the city will improve as well. And with any improved work on I-465 you won't have to worry about cutting through anyone's property. And even if it's a time factor, traveling through the city or at least on I-465 has to be a quicker option a good 20 or so hours each day.

I'm with mukade on this one, maybe in the future this highway may be a good idea, but not now. Improvments to our current interstate system and additions of critical missing links (I-69 and US 31) will be much better. One last thing to note and I think it's been mentioned before, even on this thread, the senator proposing this is from Noblesville, which apparently doesn't need a beltway. All of these county seats apparently must have two freeways connecting them, but Noblesville is just fine with a four-lane SR 37 (I don't count I-69 in the southeastern part of the city?)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 10, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
I don't like the ICC idea either.  I have no idea why INDOT refuses to fix the I-69 interchange, I know they have plans to do it, but this should have been done 5 years a go or more.  It is (in my opinion) the most frustrating and in a lot of ways dangerous ( the 2 loop ramps causing weaving) interchange I've driven in Indy, especially during rush hour.  They should have rebuilt that entire interchange before they did the improvements they are doing at SR 37.  The bypass does make a lot of sense to me on the right side of the city, it would at least in theory lower congestion on 69 in the Fishers area. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on April 10, 2013, 09:51:29 PM
Fictional Highways idea: Develop a route to link the Indiana ICC to the Maryland one. It must stay below I-70 at all times :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on April 10, 2013, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: truejd on April 08, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
I drove from Indy to Evansville via 37, 45, and I 69 over Easter weekend. There are "TO 69" signs from the 37/45 interchange along every turn until you reach i69 in Crane

Like this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/8638283737/in/set-72157633213641901/

rte66man
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on April 11, 2013, 01:20:17 AM
Quote from: rte66man on April 10, 2013, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: truejd on April 08, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
I drove from Indy to Evansville via 37, 45, and I 69 over Easter weekend. There are "TO 69" signs from the 37/45 interchange along every turn until you reach i69 in Crane

Like this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/8638283737/in/set-72157633213641901/

rte66man

Good to see I-69 signs in Bloomington!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 11, 2013, 06:56:50 AM
The Bloomington Herald Times has a story today (behind a paywall) about how the Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce took MPO members up in a helicopter to tour I-69 construction ahead of the big meeting on Friday.  I'll just quote the part about the Bloomington mayor, since his opinion is representative of a few of the people on the board they quote.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2013/04/11/news.birds-eye-view-of-i-69-offered-to-local-officials.sto

QuoteBloomington's mayor hadn't seen the Section 4 construction from the air before Wednesday.

"The perspective I take away from it is, the damage is done,"  Kruzan said. "Now it's a matter of Bloomington and Monroe County not stopping a highway that's already here but leveraging all we can from the state in terms of funding and aesthetics."

He wasn't ready to predict Friday's vote, however. What committee members want from the state department of transportation will play a big part, he predicted.

"It comes down to a commitment from INDOT about whether commitments will be coming or whether it's a commitment itself,"  he said.

Essentially, there's a block on the MPO board who want assurances from INDOT that they will pay for part of the local road upgrades in Bloomington that are needed to accommodate I-69.  17th street (between Crsecent Road and Monroe Street and Sample Road (between Old 37 and Bottom Road) are both mentioned, as well as a new road between Whitetail Crossing and Industrial drive.

If the no votes win, then INDOT can't use federal money to upgrade SR 37 to I-69 through Bloomington
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 11, 2013, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: thefro on April 11, 2013, 06:56:50 AM
Essentially, there's a block on the MPO board who want assurances from INDOT that they will pay for part of the local road upgrades in Bloomington that are needed to accommodate I-69.  17th street (between Crsecent Road and Monroe Street and Sample Road (between Old 37 and Bottom Road) are both mentioned, as well as a new road between Whitetail Crossing and Industrial drive.

If the no votes win, then INDOT can't use federal money to upgrade SR 37 to I-69 through Bloomington

And hopefully the MPO won't go down the path where INDOT will have to threaten to pull all federal funds again. I can't think of many cases where the local roads have not been improved by INDOT near interchanges so i guess it is a question of whether what is proposed will be enough. If you look at the US 31 projects (Hamilton County, Kokomo, and South Bend) and I-465 west leg as current project examples which go through cities, I think INDOT will be willing to offer a reasonable package for local road improvements near I-69 in Bloomington. The MPO may not agree, of course.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on April 11, 2013, 08:18:44 AM
Quote from: rte66man on April 10, 2013, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: truejd on April 08, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
I drove from Indy to Evansville via 37, 45, and I 69 over Easter weekend. There are "TO 69" signs from the 37/45 interchange along every turn until you reach i69 in Crane

Like this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/8638283737/in/set-72157633213641901/

rte66man

Nice pictures! Nice to see rapid progress along I-69 in Indiana and construction of I-269 around Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on April 11, 2013, 09:14:42 AM
Nice pics!  Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 11, 2013, 12:19:54 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/8639381882/in/set-72157633213641901/
That's an interesting sign, I've never seen one that posts the direction change in that way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 11, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Quote"It comes down to a commitment from INDOT about whether commitments will be coming or whether it's a commitment itself,"  he said.

What?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on April 11, 2013, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: vtk on April 11, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Quote"It comes down to a commitment from INDOT about whether commitments will be coming or whether it's a commitment itself,"  he said.

What?
Politics.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 12, 2013, 04:43:32 PM
https://twitter.com/govtracker/status/322810647622586369

Per a Bloomington Herald Times reporter on twitter, the Bloomington/Monroe County MPO approved section 5 of I-69 on an 8-4 vote.  Bloomington Mayor Mark Kruzan voted yes, so that's one of the flips from the 2012 vote on section 4.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 13, 2013, 09:44:12 AM
It appears that the last Section 4 segment that was recently let is now scheduled to open in 2015 to save money:

http://tristatehomepage.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=605292

QuoteWork is now underway on the final stretch of new construction for the southern extension of Interstate 69 in Indiana.
The Indiana Department of Transportation awarded construction contracts to a St. Louis firm to build the remaining section of new highway from Crane to Bloomington.
$109.6 million will be spent on design and construction of the new stretch of highway. The proposal will save $45 million in the construction of a challenging three-mile section in southeastern Greene County by having it open to traffic in 2015. The construction contract offers incentives of $30,000 for each day that contractors open the interstate earlier than anticipated.

https://bloomington.in.gov/media/media/application/pdf/14311.pdf

Some interesting notes from the MPO Meeting agenda from yesterday:
On the cost of upgrading SR 37 to I-69 through Bloomington:
QuoteThe project consists of an upgrade of existing State Route 37 to a fully access-controlled interstate highway.
The portion of Section 5 that is within the MPA has a total project cost of $77,700,000 spanning fiscal years
2013 through 2015. INDOT estimates that an additional $82,900,000 will be needed in later fiscal years to
finish construction on this portion of Section 5. The entirety of Section 5 from State Route 39 near Martinsville
to Victor Pike is estimated to cost a total of $394,100,000.

- The preliminary 2014-2017 TIP has $20 million dollars budgeted in both 2016 & 2017 on I-69 work in Bloomington.

- INDOT is targeting June of this year for completition of the FEIS & Record of Decision on Section 5

So the next thing to watch for would be the completition of the Indiana state budget coming up, which should happen in the next couple weeks.  It's interesting that the INDOT estimate provided in March to the MPO is about $90 million higher than what the Indiana State Senate had in its presentation for the cost of completing Section 5.

The MPO's boundary ends at Kinser Pike, so we don't know at this time if INDOT has any additional Section 5 construction past that area that they plan to start on in the next few years.  Obviously a lot of that is going to depend on what the state transportation budget is.
Title: 27 Miles Underway on I-69 from Crane to Bloomington
Post by: mukade on April 13, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
The full INDOT press release is here (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=94994&information_id=179104&type=&syndicate=syndicate).

This press release includes some additional information on the project. As section 4 completion is now 2015, perhaps that will coincide with the completion of the southern part of section 5 through Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 13, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
Hopefully they'll have the most critical upgrades done by the time section 4 opens, but even with unlimited money they're not going to be able to get everything completed by that time because of the way construction has to be sequenced. 

It's an existing, busy stretch of road and traffic would be too disrupted in Bloomington if they did everything at once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 13, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
Disrupt the traffic all you want in Bloomington. Tom Crean will raise a banner celebrating Bloomington for having the worst traffic in America.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 13, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on April 13, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
Hopefully they'll have the most critical upgrades done by the time section 4 opens, but even with unlimited money they're not going to be able to get everything completed by that time because of the way construction has to be sequenced. 

It's an existing, busy stretch of road and traffic would be too disrupted in Bloomington if they did everything at once.

Just like any other project, access needs to be maintained, but the "Vernal Pike Overpass" (17th St.), "Fullerton Pike Interchange", and "Rockport Road Overpass(es)" are the key parts to get the stoplights out of there. They could add a temporary stoplight at That Road, if necessary, before it gets closed like was done at US 31 at 169th Street. The existing interchange upgrades (including Tapp Rd. construction) can happen anytime afterward as far as I am concerned. I think the first traffic light would then be at Burton Lane in Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on April 13, 2013, 07:25:46 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on April 13, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
Disrupt the traffic all you want in Bloomington. Tom Crean will raise a banner celebrating Bloomington for having the worst traffic in America.

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on April 13, 2013, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 13, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
They could add a temporary stoplight at That Road, if necessary, before it gets closed like was done at US 31 at 169th Street.

There's a road that needs to be renamed or a given a route number.  I can see it now:

Passenger:  Turn right on That Road.

(Driver turns right at first cross road)

Passenger:  You made a wrong turn.  You were supposed to turn on That Road, not this road.

Driver:  I did turn on that road.
. . .
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 14, 2013, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on April 13, 2013, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 13, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
They could add a temporary stoplight at That Road, if necessary, before it gets closed like was done at US 31 at 169th Street.

There's a road that needs to be renamed or a given a route number.  I can see it now:

Passenger:  Turn right on That Road.

(Driver turns right at first cross road)

Passenger:  You made a wrong turn.  You were supposed to turn on That Road, not this road.

Driver:  I did turn on that road.
. . .
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on April 14, 2013, 07:14:25 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on April 13, 2013, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 13, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
They could add a temporary stoplight at That Road, if necessary, before it gets closed like was done at US 31 at 169th Street.

There's a road that needs to be renamed or a given a route number.  I can see it now:

Passenger:  Turn right on That Road.

(Driver turns right at first cross road)

Passenger:  You made a wrong turn.  You were supposed to turn on That Road, not this road.

Driver:  I did turn on that road.
. . .
I was 50/50 on whether "That Road" was a euphemism for some notorious road whose name I'm supposed to inherently know without being from the area, or an actual road name. I'm 50/50 on whether I'm happier knowing I wasn't missing anything, or sadder knowing that That (that that that that that?) is the real name.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 14, 2013, 10:09:44 AM
Perhaps "That Road" is the official name, but maybe it's a shorter version of the old name: "That Road Which Shall Not Be Named Memorial Parkway".  The shortening was both to save money on road signs, and so people would stop asking about a chapter in the town's history they'd rather forget.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 14, 2013, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: mukade on April 13, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on April 13, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
Hopefully they'll have the most critical upgrades done by the time section 4 opens, but even with unlimited money they're not going to be able to get everything completed by that time because of the way construction has to be sequenced. 

It's an existing, busy stretch of road and traffic would be too disrupted in Bloomington if they did everything at once.

Just like any other project, access needs to be maintained, but the "Vernal Pike Overpass" (17th St.), "Fullerton Pike Interchange", and "Rockport Road Overpass(es)" are the key parts to get the stoplights out of there. They could add a temporary stoplight at That Road, if necessary, before it gets closed like was done at US 31 at 169th Street. The existing interchange upgrades (including Tapp Rd. construction) can happen anytime afterward as far as I am concerned. I think the first traffic light would then be at Burton Lane in Martinsville.

Tapp Road also has a stoplight, so that SR 45 (2nd Street)/Tapp Road split diamond has to be completed to make the whole road to Martinsville stoplight free.  The construction sequencing (http://www.i69indyevn.org//wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/VolumeII/S5_Appendix_FF.pdf) says that project "cannot" be done at the same time as the Fullerton segment (as opposed to "should not" for some of the other sequencing).

The individual segments also have their own sequencing in some cases... for instance the Fullerton segment says that interchange should be completed, and then they can redo the Fullerton/Rockport interchange, build the Rockport overpass, and close off That Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 14, 2013, 12:29:47 PM
At least That Road isn't like Tapp Road, which becomes Country Club Road, Winslow Road AND Rogers Road along the same stretch of road in the span of about three miles. Stay on the road and turn 90 degrees toward the north and it becomes Smith Road. Five names without turning off the same road all while in Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 14, 2013, 01:56:45 PM
Quote from: thefro on April 14, 2013, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: mukade on April 13, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
The existing interchange upgrades (including Tapp Rd. construction) can happen anytime afterward as far as I am concerned.

The construction sequencing (http://www.i69indyevn.org//wp-content/uploads/DEIS_Sec5/VolumeII/S5_Appendix_FF.pdf) says that project "cannot" be done at the same time as the Fullerton segment (as opposed to "should not" for some of the other sequencing).

I think that was the point. The order can be changed (look at the INDOT lettings and see how fluid they are), and as noted, the Tapp Road interchange project is the SR 45 interchange project. Whenever the Tapp Road overpass is built, the stoplight will be removed.

The other thing is that document was published when the target completion date for section 4 was 2014. Now it is officially 2015 so they might be able to remove all stoplights in Monroe County when section 4 opens. It all depends on whether or not they kick off section 5 work next spring.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 14, 2013, 04:03:57 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 14, 2013, 12:29:47 PM
At least That Road isn't like Tapp Road, which becomes Country Club Road and Winslow Road along the same stretch of road in the span of about three miles. Stay on the road and turn 90 degrees toward the north and it becomes Smith Road. Four names without turning off the same road all while in Bloomington.

Another road that does that in Bloomington is SR 48, I still can't figure out what the official name of the road is, obviously it's SR 48, but the local road is signed with 2 names Whitehall Pike and 3rd street.  Can you even do that?  It must be confusing to people around there. Look at the intersection of Curry Pike and SR 48 on street view to see what I mean.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 14, 2013, 06:26:44 PM
Though it appears to have changed, at least according to both Google and my Monroe County highway map the name Whitehall Pike applied to the road to the west of SR 37 (or Curry Pike) and 3rd Street applied to the east. At least in the past, both SR 48 and Whitehall Pike were used interchangeably (similar to SR 46 and 3rd Street on the east side of town) but that name may have very well been dropped, or at least to outside of Bloomington. The highway does lead to the town of Whitehall, hence the name. Of course, with Section 5 work starting soon I see most of the signage around SR 37 in Bloomington changing, so perhaps an updated version of the street names will be put up to make it clear.

Another interesting one is the SR 45 interchange, signed as 2nd Street and Bloomfield Road. Unlike the SR 48 example, the road name on both sides of the interchange is Bloomfield Road and the 2nd Street designation doesn't begin until east of Adams Street about a mile into town east of SR 37. By all accounts, that one should just be Bloomfield Road.

I was down in Bloomington today, checking out the construction around SR 37 and the new I-69 shields and I went west on Tapp Road to what I thought was Curry Pike, nope it was Leonard Springs Road, which follows the path of a backwards L from SR 45 east to Fullerton Pike and then back north toward SR 45, where it then becomes Curry Pike. Oh, and did I mention that W Leonard Springs Road intersects with S Leonard Springs Road in the same area, but both are different roads. I don't think I'll ever fully understand the road names in B-Town no matter how many times I go there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 14, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.

If That road was in New Orleans, it would be Dat Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on April 15, 2013, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on April 14, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.

If That road was in New Orleans, it would be Dat Road.

Naaaaah, it would be in da YooPee of Michigan!

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 15, 2013, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 15, 2013, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on April 14, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.

If That road was in New Orleans, it would be Dat Road.

Naaaaah, it would be in da YooPee of Michigan!

:nod:

Mike

In der UP, wouldn't it be Dat Der Road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on April 15, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on April 14, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.

If That road was in New Orleans, it would be Dat Road.

No...in NOLA, it would be Who Dat Road. In Lafayette, though, it would probably be Dat Road. :biggrin: :biggrin: :pan:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KEVIN_224 on April 15, 2013, 02:19:54 PM
And who engineered that road being built? Abbott and Costello? :)

(Who's on First got there by That Road? It doesn't make sense to me either. Oh well!)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on April 15, 2013, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on April 14, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.

If That road was in New Orleans, it would be Dat Road.

Or if it were in Cicero.  :spin:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on April 15, 2013, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 15, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
No...in NOLA, it would be Who Dat Road.

But on the West Bank it would probably be Where Yat Road .......
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 15, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
One of my colleagues who is in Ireland told me last year that on his next trip to Indiana, he wants to see That Road and Sherrill's Eat Here and Get Gas (yes, believe it or not, we really did have that conversation). So don't let anyone fool you when they say that Indiana doesn't have world class destinations.

Personally, I like the name of the town between Bloomington and Columbus called Gnaw Bone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 15, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I-69 is shown in the 2014 Rand McNally Road Atlas. I documented the Indiana changes I found here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9268.msg215848#msg215848).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on April 16, 2013, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on April 14, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
That Road is far from the most confusing street name in Bloomington, apparently.

If That road was in New Orleans, it would be Dat Road.


Lol. I travel on That Road every week when I visit my grandparents in Blomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 23, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 15, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I-69 is shown in the 2014 Rand McNally Road Atlas. I documented the Indiana changes I found here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9268.msg215848#msg215848).

In similar news, the new AAA map for Indiana does now mark I-69 in SW Indiana, but without any exit numbers AND with two additional exits in Pike County (one at SR 356 and the other south of Petersburg, the two dropped interchanges I believe.) Also the new exit numbers for I-69 north of Indy are shown. And while it's not noteworthy here, the entire SR 25 corridor from Lafayette to Logansport is now marked, as a two-lane highway. Score one for Rand McNally?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 25, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
Quote
(the budget compromise) also increases spending on state and local roads by $400 million and invests another $400 million for major highway expansions over the biennium

Maybe that $400M will fund section 5.

UPDATE: Budget includes tax cut, more school and road funds (http://www.ibj.com/budget-deal-calls-for-5-percent-income-tax-cut/PARAMS/article/40986) (IBJ)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 26, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
Quote from: mukade on April 25, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
Quote
(the budget compromise) also increases spending on state and local roads by $400 million and invests another $400 million for major highway expansions over the biennium

Maybe that $400M will fund section 5.

UPDATE: Budget includes tax cut, more school and road funds (http://www.ibj.com/budget-deal-calls-for-5-percent-income-tax-cut/PARAMS/article/40986) (IBJ)

That's going to the "Major Moves 2020" fund, but yes, a good portion of it will go towards I-69

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/19713020-537/lawmakers-how-about-5-cut-pence-ill-take-it.html

QuoteIn transportation, 1 percent of current sales tax will be reallocated to the motor vehicle highway fund, and state police and BMV funding will come through the state general fund.

Funds for local roads will be 47 percent from the motor vehicle highway fund, totaling about $200 million over two years, and will not be tied to whether a county passes a wheel tax. The remaining 5 percent will go to state highway projects.

$200 million over two years will be placed into a new Major Moves fund to pay for future projects such as completing Interstate 69 and expanding Interstate 65 and Interstate 70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on April 26, 2013, 01:58:51 PM
Sounds like a decent plan to fund major projects without too much bond debt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 05, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
http://washtimesherald.com/local/x2002139670/Lights-now-showing-near-I-69

Washington gets its lights at their exit this week

QuoteWASHINGTON – Those travelling on U.S. Route 50 near the Interstate 69 intersection will soon notice some big changes.

New traffic signals will soon be put to work near the off and on ramps to I-69. According to a press release by the Indiana Department of Transportation, crews have been installing the infrastructure and the poles for the new signals over the last week. The signals `are scheduled to go into effect after morning rush hour on Tuesday.

As traffic enters and exits I-69, pavement sensors will activiate the signals. There will be overhead lighting installed at the intersection of each ramp as well.

"As I-69 was opening, I learned that illumination at the access ramps was not part of the original construction,"  said Washington Mayor Joe Wellman.

INDOT is encouraging all drivers to pay special attention to the new signals and other motorists as they become familiar with the new traffic patterns.

"Last November my office issued a request to INDOT asking them to review how dark it is at night as drivers go through the intersections. They (INDOT) agreed and made the decision to add both lights and traffic signals to the area. We appreciate their cooperation on this and believe the improvements will enhance safety."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 12, 2013, 10:59:04 AM
http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=69765

QuoteState OKs private financing for I-69 between Bloomington and Martinsville

Kathleen McLaughlin, Indianapolis Business Journal

The Indiana Department of Transportation will press ahead with a request for proposals on Interstate 69 from Bloomington to Martinsville, in hopes that a public-private partnership will stretch limited state funds.

Language in the recently adopted state budget allows the Indiana Finance Authority to enter public-private partnerships for non-tolled freeway projects, which would include the final stages of I-69.

INDOT wants to involve the finance authority because its public-private partnership on the Ohio River bridges project helped knock design and construction costs from an estimated $988 million to $763 million, and the completion date moved from June 2017 to October 2016.

"The state and private sector was interested in repeating the success of the Ohio River bridges procurement as much as possible,"  INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield said. Indiana's portion of the joint project with Kentucky is to build the East End Crossing, connecting Interstate 265 in Indiana and Louisville.

Interstate 69 would be Indiana's first public-private partnership on a highway project that didn't involve toll money. Seventeen firms, including East End Crossing contractor Walsh Construction, expressed an interest last year in designing, building and financing Section 5. The Indiana Finance Authority will likely issue a request for qualifications to narrow the field in the next month, Wingfield said.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 12, 2013, 11:24:08 AM
Is there any mention of the other segment at the original southern terminus at I-465 NE of Indy?  Like maybe "TO I-65" signs at Exit 0?

Also, has the exit numbers been changed from I-465 and north to reflect its change to avoid duplication yet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on May 12, 2013, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2013, 11:24:08 AM
Is there any mention of the other segment at the original southern terminus at I-465 NE of Indy?  Like maybe "TO I-65" signs at Exit 0?

Also, has the exit numbers been changed from I-465 and north to reflect its change to avoid duplication yet?

I was just through there last week, and while I cannot address any signage as you go south on I-69, I can report that an orange construction sign on the inner loop of I-465 as you approach I-69 has had the new exit numbers (starting at 200) pasted on top of the old sign.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on May 13, 2013, 10:44:35 PM
Renumbering of I-69 in Northern Indiana happened well before the southern section opened. It was discussed at length way upthread. If you're curious look about here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg174008#msg174008 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg174008#msg174008)

I think it was genius to just add 200 to the existing mileage. The mileage isn't exact by any reasonable route for the future finished freeway, but it's close. The advantages are not necessarily having to renumber again, and convenience in the conversion for those relying in old mapping. Only the most anal road geeks would care about a slight discrepancy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 22, 2013, 04:52:03 PM
Several new stories today on Section 5... sounds like they're going ahead with a public/private partnership for Phase 5 (private company will get paid for 35 years and will design, build, finance, operate and maintain the road).  We're going to know more on the potential bidders by July 30. The latest state budget had language letting INDOT do this, provided it isn't a toll road.  Gov. Pence is fully committed to completing the road.  Also the INDOT press release says Section 4 is now scheduled to open in phases in 2014 & 2015.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130522/NEWS05/305220056/Indiana-Gov-Mike-Pence-says-he-committed-finishing-69-into-Indianapolis-toll-free?nclick_check=1

QuoteGov. Mike Pence said today Indiana must complete I-69 into Marion County, arguing that it will cement this state's identity as the "Crossroads of America."

And, he told reporters later, it will be done without imposing tolls.

"I want to be clear today. I am firmly committed to completing I-69 from Evansville to Indianapolis,"  Pence said to applause from a couple hundred contractors, designers and financial forms who were at an Indiana Government Center South forum on how to take part in the building of the next section of I-69 to be built.

That's a 21-mile section to be built from Bloomington to Martinsville.

But Pence said the job won't be done until the new interstate stretch is attached to I-465 in Marion County, allowing I-69 to finally stretch from Evansville in the south to the Michigan border north of Fort Wayne. While I-69 has long connected Indianapolis to northeastern Indiana, the southern leg remained just a dream until former Gov. Mitch Daniels launched it in his administration.

"The message here today is we're going to finish what we started,"  Pence told reporters. "And we're going to use all the resources that we have at our disposal to do that in a way that serves the interests of taxpayers and is efficient and effective and under budget."

Pence said there are no plans for tolls on the highway. "It's certainly not in our proposal or our thinking at this time... and we're not advocating for that."

He said completing I-69 is a higher priority to him than other transportation projects, including widening I-70 and building the so-called "commerce connector"  south of Marion County.

"My philosophy of roads is simply this,"  Pence said. "You have three priorities when it comes to infrastructure. Number one, you take care of what you got. Number two, you finish what you started. And number three, you plan for the future."

Will Wingfield, a spokesman for the Indiana Department of Transportation, said the Bloomington to Martinsville section is estimated to cost $394 million, with no estimate yet for the final leg into Marion County.

http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=100996&information_id=181942&type=&syndicate=syndicate

QuotePrivate Firms Ready to Deliver I-69 Section 5

IFA, INDOT Outline P3 Delivery Model



INDIANAPOLIS — Governor Mike Pence today spoke before an audience of more than 200 contractors, designers and financial firms ready to deliver I-69 Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville.



The Indiana Finance Authority (IFA) and Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) hosted an Industry Forum to provide more information about procurement of a public-private partnership (P3) to design, build, finance, operate and maintain I-69 Section 5. The IFA, in coordination with INDOT, will release a Request for Qualifications later this week.



The IFA and INDOT plan to replicate the success of the East End Crossing of the Ohio River Bridges Project by using an availability payment model to deliver I-69 Section 5. The project will not involve tolling, but instead will leverage INDOT's funding appropriations to attract low-cost private sector finance. Other benefits of the P3 procurement include incentives for the private sector to lower construction costs and accelerate completion of the project.



Indiana is a national leader in leveraging private capital to deliver needed transportation projects sooner, and at the lowest possible cost to taxpayers. The new Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis is widely regarded as a key component to the future economic vitality of southwestern Indiana, and will connect an entire region with improved access to jobs, education and healthcare. The 142-mile I-69 corridor was divided into six independent sections with the Tier 1 Final Environmental Impact Study, which was approved by the Federal Highway Administration in March 2004.



The first 67 miles opened for business in November 2012 under budget and years ahead of schedule, and now saves motorists more than 30 minutes in travel time between Evansville and Crane. Construction is underway on all 27 miles of I-69 Section 4 between Crane and Bloomington, which is expected to open to traffic in phases during late 2014 and 2015.

I-69 Section 5 involves upgrading 21 miles of existing State Road 37 to interstate standards, including new interchanges and overpasses. The project will improve traffic safety, reduce existing and forecasted congestion and support economic development.

http://www.14news.com/story/22396840/indiana-presses-ahead-with-i-69s-next-section

QuoteINDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Indiana is pressing ahead with its search for a private company to finance and build a 21-mile section of the Interstate 69 extension that will eventually run from Evansville to Indianapolis.

State officials said Wednesday they'll ask interested companies to demonstrate they're capable of handling the project. A short list of qualified bidders would be released July 30.

The first half of the 142-mile highway opened last year and was built by contractors with state funding.

But the company that will build the 21-mile Bloomington-to-Martinsville segment by upgrading existing State Road 37 will sign a public-private deal under which it will arrange its own financing to design and build that stretch. Indiana would make payments to that firm for 35 years after the highway's completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 22, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Indiana-presses-ahead-with-I-69-s-next-section-4539902.php

The AP has another story with a bit more detail up now

So part of Section 4 opening in late 2014, rest in late 2015.  I would guess that'd have to be segments going south from Bloomington as I believe Contract 2 is the one that got off to a late start (and won't be done until 2015).

List of qualified bidders for Section 5 to be announced July 30, proposals due by Jan 2014, state announces preferred contractor in Feb 2014, deal could be done by May 2014.  Hopefully INDOT doesn't include some of the Bloomington projects (Vernal Pike) in the P3, because they'll have trouble getting construction going in 2014 in Bloomington as planned if it takes until next May to get the P3 up and running.  That group would still have to subcontract out construction bids, etc which will take a few months I would think.

QuoteThe I-69 extension's first 67 miles between Evansville and the Crane area opened in November. A 27-mile stretch that will run from Crane to Bloomington is under construction in Greene and Monroe counties.

That segment is expected to be completed by late 2015, with its first portions opening in late 2014, said Jim Stark, INDOT's deputy commissioner for planning and project management.

While the contractors that built or are building I-69's first 94 miles received state funding for their work, the company that will build the Bloomington-to-Martinsville segment will sign a public-private deal under which it will arrange its own financing to design and build that stretch. The project's estimated construction costs range from $350 million to $500 million.

Indiana would make "milestone" payments to that company during the segment's construction and then quarterly payments for 35 years after its completion as the company maintains and operates the stretch, said Kendra York, Indiana's public finance director.
Indiana devoted about $700 million to I-69 from the $3.8 billion it collected by leasing the Indiana Toll Road to a private operator under former Gov. Mitch Daniels. But that money has already been spent or allocated, leaving the state to find a way to pay for the remainder of the highway.

For the Bloomington-to-Martinsville segment, Indiana has turned to the same public-private arrangement it reached last year with a group chosen to build a new $763 million Ohio River bridge between Indiana and Kentucky.

Eighteen companies responded to the state's request in December for parties interested in tackling the Bloomington-to-Martinsville project.

Stark said a short list of qualified bidders for the highway segment will be released July 30 and the state will ask them in October to submit their proposals by January 2014. The state's announcement of its preferred contractor for the job will be announced next February, he said.

The Indiana Finance Authority would then have to approve that deal, which could be completed by next May, Stark said.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 23, 2013, 07:10:41 AM
Probably most interesting piece of news is what Pence said about Perry Twp. in Marion County (section 6) where that has been a lot of opposition to I-69. He said:

Quote
The plan now is to follow State Route 37, but many Perry Township residents feel that would tear up their neighborhoods too much and would prefer a shift to the west.

Pence said he'll listen to them.

"We're really open to a lot of discussion on all of that in terms of where that route would be most effective," he said. "There's other factors that ought to be considered in terms of long-range planning for Indiana...

Pence might consider alternatives for finishing northern leg of I-69 in Marion County (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/pence-may-consider-other-alternatives-for-finishing-northern-leg-of-i-69-in-marion-county) (WRTV- channel 6)

This sort of uncertainty in the exact routing is what made me think the adding of 200 to the mile markers north of Indy was actually the best way.

If I-69 hits I-70 near the Indianapolis Airport, it could go through downtown, go up the west leg and north leg of I-465, or the current plan using the south and east legs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 23, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Exactly what I was thinking, that way I-69 will finally be able to go through downtown (if it follows the I-70 route.) It may me think of possibly seeing references to Fort Wayne and Evansville at the North and South Split interchanges if such a route were followed and I-70 would only need to be widened a little bit to the southwest of Plainfield (which would probably be done anyway given the future plans for I-70 across the state.)

Living in Perry Township (toward the east around I-65) I am a little dismayed about this whole "tearing up neighborhoods" argument. SR 37 isn't exactly a unifying force across the western part of the township right now and personally feels like a barrier anyway. I won't argue that widening and conversion into an interstate might knock out a few houses near the overpasses and interchanges, but it's not like they'll be bulldozing thorugh entire subdivisions. Well, it's not like anyone cares about those in northern Morgan County who may feel the impact of a new terrain route north to I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 23, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Exactly what I was thinking, that way I-69 will finally be able to go through downtown (if it follows the I-70 route.) It may me think of possibly seeing references to Fort Wayne and Evansville at the North and South Split interchanges if such a route were followed and I-70 would only need to be widened a little bit to the southwest of Plainfield (which would probably be done anyway given the future plans for I-70 across the state.)

Living in Perry Township (toward the east around I-65) I am a little dismayed about this whole "tearing up neighborhoods" argument. SR 37 isn't exactly a unifying force across the western part of the township right now and personally feels like a barrier anyway. I won't argue that widening and conversion into an interstate might knock out a few houses near the overpasses and interchanges, but it's not like they'll be bulldozing thorugh entire subdivisions. Well, it's not like anyone cares about those in northern Morgan County who may feel the impact of a new terrain route north to I-70.

You must live pretty close to my in-laws, who are about 2 miles from the I-65/I-465 interchange.  They hardly ever travel to the far western reaches of Perry Twp. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on May 23, 2013, 01:57:46 PM
A reroute would require another EIS and the fights involved with that. Most likely would delay I-69 another 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 23, 2013, 05:22:00 PM
He's just pandering to people in the area, no way in hell the reroute will happen in my opinion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on May 23, 2013, 06:34:18 PM

http://www.ibj.com/indiana-presses-ahead-with-i-69s-next-section/PARAMS/article/41510 (http://www.ibj.com/indiana-presses-ahead-with-i-69s-next-section/PARAMS/article/41510)

"The I-69 extension's first 67 miles between Evansville and the Crane area opened in November. A 27-mile stretch that will run from Crane to Bloomington is under construction in Greene and Monroe counties."

"That segment is expected to be completed by late 2015, with its first portions opening in late 2014, said Jim Stark, INDOT's deputy commissioner for planning and project management."

I've seen the subtle shift of language from "late 2014" to "2015" regarding the Crane to Bloomington link, but this is the first time I've seen them admit "late 2015" and that part of the segment (presumably IN37 to IN45) will not also be delayed into 2015.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 23, 2013, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 23, 2013, 05:22:00 PM
He's just pandering to people in the area, no way in hell the reroute will happen in my opinion.

Agreed there... making a new terrain cut-through to I-70 (5-10 miles at the least) would cost a lot more.  There's really not *that* much they'd need to displace with the way they currently have Section 6 routed.

Quote from: andy on May 23, 2013, 06:34:18 PM

http://www.ibj.com/indiana-presses-ahead-with-i-69s-next-section/PARAMS/article/41510 (http://www.ibj.com/indiana-presses-ahead-with-i-69s-next-section/PARAMS/article/41510)

I've seen the subtle shift of language from "late 2014" to "2015" regarding the Crane to Bloomington link, but this is the first time I've seen them admit "late 2015" and that part of the segment (presumably IN37 to IN45) will not also be delayed into 2015.

That's my guess as well... they'd open the road between SR 37/SR45 and folks could use US 231 --> SR 45 to go between the I-69 segments until they finish the last part of Section 4.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 23, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Wouldn't moving it to hit 70 at the airport actually destroy more neighborhoods than using 37?  I really don't see many neighborhoods being messed with using the current route (not counting the new interchange at 465 that would make a lot of land owners lose their land) not only that but it would add several unnecessary miles and time to your trip (people would start using 37 to save time as well.) The idea to put it at the airport is stupid and has no benefits at all in my opinion.  The land owners of the area around 37 just want to move it to the airport area so that someone else will lose their land and they get to keep theirs.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on May 24, 2013, 08:26:44 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 23, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Wouldn't moving it to hit 70 at the airport actually destroy more neighborhoods than using 37?  I really don't see many neighborhoods being messed with using the current route (not counting the new interchange at 465 that would make a lot of land owners lose their land) not only that but it would add several unnecessary miles and time to your trip (people would start using 37 to save time as well.) The idea to put it at the airport is stupid and has no benefits at all in my opinion.  The land owners of the area around 37 just want to move it to the airport area so that someone else will lose their land and they get to keep theirs.   

I'm taxing my ability to remember, but I thought the current plan allowed moving slightly west of 37 at the north end for a new exchange with 465 between 37 and the White River.  To completely re-use 37's foot print, frontage roads would have to built to replace 37, so it would seem to make sense just offset "a bit" and build new.  To be honest I don't make it to Indy enough (and try to avoid the IN37/I465 area) to know where that split would have to happen.

As for the I-69 delay between IN45 and US231, I agree traffic would use IN45 south of I69 and IN45/IN58 to US231.  In any case, my co-workers at  Crane would have the part they care about. (I've been greatly enjoying the Washington-Evansville link.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on May 24, 2013, 02:31:20 PM
Andy, maybe you're thinking of the EIS map from a decade ago. Who knows if that holds any legitimacy now, though that route continues to make a lot of sense to me. It veers off the existing SR-37 about a quarter mile south of 465 to continue straight north to a new interchange. Here's a link to the map: http://www.in.gov/indot/div/projects/i69/pubs/page20.pdf (http://www.in.gov/indot/div/projects/i69/pubs/page20.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on May 24, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
Actually, I thought I'd seen where someone shared a map of the I-69/465 interchange and what exactly happens to the part of IN 37 that's skipped by the I-69 alignment.  However, I looked back in this thread about 20 pages and didn't see it...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 25, 2013, 02:56:33 AM
I wonder why they don't just do something similar to southeastern ave and i-74, or binford and 465/69/37.  Put it all in one place instead of 2 separate interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 25, 2013, 08:24:35 AM
Because there's a bunch of truck stops at that interchange. Not sure if that's a good reason but that area is crowded. As it is, the new interchange will be going over primarly industrial sites as it leads north of 37 up to 465, so again the whole going through neighborhoods argument is lost.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 25, 2013, 08:34:57 AM
http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/RFQ__for__I-69_Section_5.pdf

The Indiana Finance Authority has released the RFQ for Section 5

Final ROD from FHWA is expected in July 2013.  INDOT's going to start buying the needed ROW once that completes.

One of the project goals is "Achieve substantial completion for the Project by Fall 2016", which is a pretty aggressive time frame.  I would assume that would mean all the new overpasses/interchanges are open to traffic, stoplights removed, new lanes open etc, but there might still be some cleanup work to do in 2017 before they could sign the whole thing as I-69 to Martinsville.

QuoteThe Indiana Finance Authority (the "IFA" ), a body politic and corporate, not a state agency but an independent instrumentality exercising essential public functions, in cooperation with the Indiana Department of Transportation ("INDOT" ), is pleased to present this Request for Qualifications ("RFQ" ) to prospective entities or groups of entities (the "Proposers" ) interested in submitting statements of qualifications ("SOQs" ) to develop, design, build, finance, operate and maintain the I-69 Section 5 project through an availability payment concession pursuant to a public-private partnership agreement ("PPA" ). The I-69 Section 5 project consists of upgrading approximately 21 miles of existing State Route 37, a four-lane median divided highway, between Bloomington, IN and Martinsville, IN to an interstate highway (the "Project" ) . A general map of the Project can be found at the following procurement website:
http://www.in.gov/ifa/2779.htm
The Project is needed and private sector involvement is sought because of the following conditions:
- The Project is part of the national I-69 corridor and improves safety and connectivity to newly constructed I-69 in southwest Indiana;
- Traditional funding sources for the Project are limited and the State of Indiana (the "State" ) is seeking to partner with the private sector to optimize the capital funding plan; and
- Private sector innovation in the design and management may help the Project be completed quicker and more efficiently.
IFA and INDOT are committed to improving mobility in the region and using project delivery methods that provide overall best value to the citizens of the State, including the use of public-private partnerships ("P3s" ).
The Project presents an attractive opportunity for the private sector because:
- IFA and INDOT are committed to the completion of the Project;
- The State has created a business environment that is attractive to private initiatives;
- The State maintains a AAA credit rating and has a successful history of procuring P3 projects; and
- The anticipated availability payment P3 structure provides a stable platform for risk sharing with the private sector.

The Project is one of six sections that are anticipated to complete the interstate connection from Evansville, Indiana to Indianapolis, Indiana. The broader I-69 project is part of the national I-69 corridor to connect Mexico with Canada. In addition to the Project, the broader I-69 project in the State includes five other sections, four of which that are either completed or are underway beginning just north of the boundary of the Evansville metropolitan area and stretching to SR 37 in Monroe County near Victor Pike southwest of the City of Bloomington. Section 6 begins south of the SR 39 / SR 37 interchange south of Martinsville, and continues northward to I-465 in Indianapolis. This section is approximately 26 miles long and is located in Morgan, Johnson, and Marion Counties. Section 6 is still in the planning stage and construction has not yet started.
The Project involves the construction of four new interchanges and four new overpasses with varying degrees of improvements to the existing interchanges and overpass. The new interchanges are at the Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road/SR 45/2nd Street, Sample Road and Liberty Church Road, all of which are current intersections with SR 37. . The new overpasses will be at Rockport Road, Vernal Pike, Kinser Pike and Chambers Pike. It is anticipated that the selected private-sector partner ("Developer" ) will develop, design, build, finance, operate and maintain the Project through an availability payment concession, as more particularly described in this RFQ.
For areas where the freeway is located in a rural area, the mainline design consists of a four-lane divided highway with two 12-foot lanes in each direction separated by a depressed median within the rural sections of I-69 north of Bloomington (north of Chambers Pike). The median includes two seven-foot wide usable inside shoulders, six feet of which are paved. Additional 12-foot-wide lanes are provided in select locations for warranted truck climbing lanes and ramp acceleration and deceleration lanes, and a 12-foot-wide outer shoulder.
For the urban areas, the mainline design consists of a six-lane divided highway with three 12-foot lanes in each direction. Median treatment options include a depressed median or paved shoulders separated by a concrete barrier wall.
Local access roads are proposed for either side of the mainline at various points throughout the Project corridor. These local access roads provide access to otherwise landlocked properties. Either a median or barrier wall will be used between the interstate mainline and access roads. The typical cross sections of these access roads include two travel lanes in each direction (width varies between 11-12 feet). Paved shoulders, varying by specific alternative, will range from 5-8 feet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 07, 2013, 09:18:13 AM
Survey work has started on Section 5

http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=104024&information_id=182569&type=&syndicate=syndicate

QuoteSurveying Begins in Bloomington for I-69 Section 5

Drivers urged to slow down, stay alert along S.R. 37



BLOOMINGTON, Ind. — Motorists will see a variety of preliminary survey activities taking place throughout the summer along State Road 37 in preparation for procurement of I-69 Section 5 between Bloomington and Martinsville. Crews are drilling for soil and utility exploration and performing topographic surveys, among other surveying work.



Utility crews separate from INDOT are also working along State Road 37 to install new service lines. Drivers are encouraged to stay alert for the safety of motorists and highway workers. Indiana's "Move Over, Slow Down"  law requires drivers to reduce their speed 10 mph below the posted speed limit if they cannot change lanes away from a survey or utility crew with emergency lights flashing.



The I-69 project team is again offering personalized outreach to property owners that may be impacted by Section 5. More than 100 "kitchen table meetings"  have been held thus far to prepare landowners for survey work and land acquisition. INDOT's kitchen table meetings have been recognized as a successful practice by the Federal Highway Administration, the Institute of Transportation Engineers and the American Association of State Highway Transportation Officials.



Private contractor employees working on behalf of INDOT are required to attend customer service training before being certified to conduct field studies. Landowners are welcome to request photo identification with the I-69 logo before surveyors enter private property as permitted under state law.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on June 09, 2013, 12:57:05 PM
Shitty road work alert............

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/residents-say-i-69-workers-using-woods-as-toilet
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on June 11, 2013, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on June 09, 2013, 12:57:05 PM
Shitty road work alert............

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/residents-say-i-69-workers-using-woods-as-toilet

Title of the day...thanks Shawn!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 27, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
Question about 69:
Was I-69 originally supposed to terminate at the north split?  I think that there was a proposed I-165 that was supposed to go from the north split and end at around 38th street, but was the original plan for it to be I-69?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dfwtbear on June 27, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 27, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
Question about 69:
Was I-69 originally supposed to terminate at the north split?  I think that there was a proposed I-165 that was supposed to go from the north split and end at around 38th street, but was the original plan for it to be I-69?
Yes, I-69 was supposed to terminate at the interchange of I-65 and I-70 at the north split.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on June 27, 2013, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: dfwtbear on June 27, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 27, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
Question about 69:
Was I-69 originally supposed to terminate at the north split?  I think that there was a proposed I-165 that was supposed to go from the north split and end at around 38th street, but was the original plan for it to be I-69?
Yes, I-69 was supposed to terminate at the interchange of I-65 and I-70 at the north split.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana
Substantially correct information, though the following seems to be inaccurate.
QuoteState officials later sought to designate the proposed Northeast Freeway connecting that I-69/I-465 interchange to the North Split interchange, approximately 11 miles (18 km) in length, as Interstate 165 in order to get around the initial ruling.
The actual proposed route of I-165 was shorter. According to this FHWA page (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/highwayhistory/data/page05.cfm), the proposed route ran northward from the north split, ending at 38th Street near the south end of Binford Blvd. (To get to the part about I-165, scroll down about halfway or search for "I-165".)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on June 27, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: theline on June 27, 2013, 05:12:14 PM(To get to the part about I-165, scroll down about halfway or search for "I-165".)
a) but then you miss everything else
b) holy shit
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on June 27, 2013, 07:20:26 PM
c) already posted in some bumfuck thread but it's still awesome
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on June 27, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
Thanks for the appreciation, I think. I had posted the link before in the thread on canceled interstates in the fictional highways board. It's lots of interesting stuff on that subject, though I have yet to get through the whole thing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on June 27, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
Quotenot a state agency but an independent instrumentality exercising essential public functions

Is this the Indiana way of saying "independent authority," "quasi-public corporation," etc.?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tvketchum on June 30, 2013, 09:04:40 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on June 27, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
Quotenot a state agency but an independent instrumentality exercising essential public functions

Is this the Indiana way of saying "independent authority," "quasi-public corporation," etc.?



No, it's the Indiana way of saying the party in control has changed and will pursue its agenda....
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 08, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
This is somewhat appropriate
The last shield inside Indianapolis (that I know of): https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.71903,-86.147366&spn=0.003594,0.008256&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.718831,-86.148289&panoid=tauJHoZxqPvY6L5jTMllyQ&cbp=12,15.98,,0,3.7

I drove by it today and was pretty shocked to see it still there after all of these years!  Does anyone else know of anymore?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 08, 2013, 06:38:59 PM
I'm not sure what Madison Avenue has to do with I-69, it's not like they'll be signing it on that road. Speaking of that area, the Google Streetview image is already outdated now that there's an arch in the area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 08, 2013, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 08, 2013, 06:38:59 PM
I'm not sure what Madison Avenue has to do with I-69, it's not like they'll be signing it on that road. Speaking of that area, the Google Streetview image is already outdated now that there's an arch in the area.

The arch wasn't the point of the link, it was the sign, and as I said, it is still there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 08, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Don't worry, I understand, I was just remarking more about GSV than anything else, I'm glad to see that the sign is still there and hope that INDOT never finds it. And given that the city recently did away with two old BGSs at that split I'm even more happy to see that SR 37 sign still there. I still see white on blue milemarkers for the former US 31/SR 37 multiplex on downtown streets.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on July 14, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
It seems interesting having I-69's northern mileposts being increased by 200 for the extension.  InDOT is choosing to go the route of states that switched from sequential to distanced-based numbering by posting old exit number signage:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_3379_zps3f1eb240.jpg&hash=44381695982a1f43a9755221c7cdce648f08c0b0) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3379_zps3f1eb240.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on July 14, 2013, 05:49:36 PM
No more exit 0 at I-465 then.  It will be interesting now that its Exit 200.  Also the SE part of the loop will be another case of three interstates on one pavement like in Wisconsin for I-90/I-94/ I-39.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 14, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 14, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
It seems interesting having I-69's northern mileposts being increased by 200 for the extension.  InDOT is choosing to go the route of states that switched from sequential to distanced-based numbering by posting old exit number signage:

Isn't that premature, given the fact that a final route hasn't even been decided?  Before this, I"d have expected at least an extension of the I-69 number into Evansville (with an I-169 renaming of I-164 west of US 41). 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 14, 2013, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 14, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 14, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
It seems interesting having I-69's northern mileposts being increased by 200 for the extension.  InDOT is choosing to go the route of states that switched from sequential to distanced-based numbering by posting old exit number signage:

Isn't that premature, given the fact that a final route hasn't even been decided?  Before this, I"d have expected at least an extension of the I-69 number into Evansville (with an I-169 renaming of I-164 west of US 41).

Not really, since otherwise there'd be two I-69 Exit 22's in Indiana, one on the new segment and one on the existing road.  And they'd probably run into some similar situations when Section 4 & 5 open.  INDOT decided adding 200 would be "close enough" and easier for everyone involved rather than waiting on getting an exact mileage for the whole route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 15, 2013, 08:10:02 AM
Quote from: thefro on July 14, 2013, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 14, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 14, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
It seems interesting having I-69's northern mileposts being increased by 200 for the extension.  InDOT is choosing to go the route of states that switched from sequential to distanced-based numbering by posting old exit number signage:

Isn't that premature, given the fact that a final route hasn't even been decided?  Before this, I"d have expected at least an extension of the I-69 number into Evansville (with an I-169 renaming of I-164 west of US 41).

Not really, since otherwise there'd be two I-69 Exit 22's in Indiana, one on the new segment and one on the existing road.  And they'd probably run into some similar situations when Section 4 & 5 open.  INDOT decided adding 200 would be "close enough" and easier for everyone involved rather than waiting on getting an exact mileage for the whole route.

That's the reason, I think they gave for doing it, I think they make up for the lost mileage where 69 is cosigned with 465.  What will 169's routing be in Evansville? It looks like it will just have one exit, at US 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on July 15, 2013, 01:30:09 PM
Is Mike road next?

Quote from: Brandon on July 14, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
It seems interesting having I-69's northern mileposts being increased by 200 for the extension.  InDOT is choosing to go the route of states that switched from sequential to distanced-based numbering by posting old exit number signage:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_3379_zps3f1eb240.jpg&hash=44381695982a1f43a9755221c7cdce648f08c0b0) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3379_zps3f1eb240.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 22, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/SOQ_Teams_I69_Section_5_Project.pdf
http://infrapppworld.com/2013/07/five-teams-submit-soqs-for-i-69-section-p3-in-indiana.html

QuoteConnect Indiana Development Partners:
■Macquarie Capital Group Limited
■Lane Infrastructure, Inc.
■Lane Industries Incorporated

I-69 Development Partners:
■OHL Concesiones S.A. (OHLC)
■Star America Fund GP LLC (acting in its capacity as general partner of Star America Infrastructure Fund, LP and Star America Infrastructure Fund Affiliates, LP)
■UIF GP, LLC

Isolux Infrastructure Netherlands B.V.:
■Public Sector Pension Investment Board (PSP Investments — a Canadian Crown Corporation)
■Grupo Isolux Corsan S.A.

Plenary Roads Indiana:
■Plenary Group

WM I-69 Partners:
■Walsh Investors, L.L.C.
■Meridiam Infrastructure


We have 5 bidders for the Section 5 Private/Public Partnership.  Not sure if they're going to cut it down further in a week (when they're said they're going to release a "shortlist") or not.

A pretty interesting mix of groups there.  I find it kinda interesting that the groups have already partnered with local construction companies as part of the bids.

I would also expect that INDOT might be holding the ROD as well to release it at the same time as the official release of the Section 5 shortlist (July 30th), but we'll see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but does anyone actually think that interstate 69 in its entirety is completely necessary?  I see the importance of the route in Indiana, but south of that, especially in Tennessee and Mississippi, is it really that important?  Aren't the current interstates in the area enough?  I always thought that the whole "it will connect Mexico and Canada" reason wasn't really a huge deal seeing that several other interstates already do that.  Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's opinions. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on July 25, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
The route is split into "sections of independent utility".  This means each of those sections is ostensibly worth building*, even if no other sections are built at all.  Accepting that notion, a continuous highway from Mexico to Canada is not the sole justification for any individual part of the route, but effectively it's the happy by-product of all those SIUs connecting end-to-end.

*Of course, anyone can argue that any individual SIU (or most of them) is not necessary.  But the DOTs have to make an argumet that they are, or the feds won't let it through environmental review.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on July 25, 2013, 08:50:31 PM
I think I read that the whole CANAMEX idea was just Indiana trying to get the federal government to pay them to build the interstate from Evansville to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on July 26, 2013, 01:34:34 PM
^^ That is pretty much true. The whole process is laid out in the Matt Dellinger's fine book, Interstate 69: The Unfinished History of the Last Great American Highway. Advocates for the Evansville-to-Indy road were hitting a stone wall for decades, until they got advice that they should think bigger. Expanding the idea to other states allowed them to enlist allies that could help convince the government to act.

Of course, nobody had a gun held to his head to support the road. If the folks in the other states didn't think there was merit in the idea of the road, they wouldn't have supported it. Whether there is enough support in some states to ever get it completed is dubious. In much of Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana, there just may not be the need that would drive the project forward.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 31, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
http://www.infrainsightblog.com/2013/07/articles/ppps/indiana-finance-authority-shortlists-4-proposers-for-its-i69-section-5-project/

4 proposers shortlisted for I-69 Section 5 public-private partnership.  Things seem to be on schedule thus far.  Next item should be the ROD from FHWA which should be imminent.

QuoteOn July 31, 2013, the Indiana Finance Authority ("IFA" ), in coordination with the Indiana Department of Transportation ("INDOT" ), shortlisted four teams for its I-69 Section 5 Project (the "Project" ) located between Evansville, Indiana and Indianapolis, Indiana.  The Project marks the second foray of Indiana into the emerging availability payment structure of public-private partnerships in the United States, having led with the East End Crossing project (part of the Louisville-Southern Indiana Ohio River Bridges Project), successfully financed the end of March, 2013.  The Project also marks the second effort of the joint IFA and Indiana Department of Transportation Team in using innovating project delivery approaches to meet growing transportation infrastructure demands in Indiana.

The Project is one of six sections that are anticipated to complete the interstate connection from Evansville, Indiana to Indianapolis, Indiana, including improvements to Highway 37 outside of  Bloomington, the home of Indiana University. The broader I-69 project is part of the national I-69 corridor connecting Mexico with Canada. Four of the six sections have either been completed or construction is underway.  Section 5 is approximately 26 miles long, varying from 4 to 6 lanes wide in each direction, located in Morgan, Johnson, and Marion Counties, involving construction of four new interchanges and four new overpasses with varying degrees of improvements to the existing interchanges and overpasses.

The shortlisted teams, in alphabetical order, are:
Connect Indiana Development Partners (joint venture of Macquarie Capital Group Limited, Lane Infrastructure, Inc. and Lane Industries Incorporated), partnering with The Lane Construction Corporation and Ames Construction, Inc. as the joint venture design-builder, Parsons Brinckerhoff, Inc. as the project designer and with others.
Isolux Infrastructure Netherlands B.V. (through its members, Public Sector Pension Investment Board and Grupo Isolux Corsán S.A.), partnering with Corsán as the builder, AZTEC Engineering Group, Inc. and TYPSA (Tecnica y Projectos S.A.) working together as the project designer and with others
Plenary Roads Indiana (through the Plenary Group), partnering with Granite Construction Company and Fred Weber, Inc. as the joint-venture builder, AECOM as the project designer and with others.
WM I-69 Partners (joint venture of Walsh Investors, L.L.C. and Meridiam Infrastructure), partnering with Walsh Construction Company II, LLC as the builder, Parsons Transportation Group as the project designer and with others.

As was the case with the East End Crossing procurement, several new players to the US P3 transportation scene responded to the I-69 Section 5 RFQ, including Isolux and Plenary.

IFA plans to issue a final RFP in October of this year with award and execution of the comprehensive P3 agreement in the first half of 2014.
Title: I-69 SIU 3 Section 5 ROD & FEIS released
Post by: thefro on August 18, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
The FEIS & ROD have been released for Section 5 (http://www.i69indyevn.org/section-5-feis/)

FHWA has approved the N. Walnut Street interchange remaining a partial interchange, so that will not need to be reconstructed.  Also they were able to acquire ROW along the edge of the Mountain Bike Park.  Most of the rest of the changes from the DEIS involve local access roads that probably won't be of interest to most here.

Total cost they quote is $394 million.  Obviously not a lot of details on exact construction sequence as that's going to be determined as part of the P3 contract.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/Sec5_FEIS/S5_Appendix-TT.pdf

Also they may be deferring adding the extra lane on each side (making it a 6-lane freeway) for the urban Bloomington I-69 segment as their studies say it will not be needed until 2025.  Their studies assume the Ohio River I-69 bridge is not built by 2020, but is built by 2035
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 19, 2013, 07:31:39 PM
I missed that they have shaved $100-$130 million (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130819/NEWS/308190044/Federal-officials-finalize-route-Bloomington-Martinsville-69-extension) off the cost from the DEIS, which is kind of a big deal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 23, 2013, 06:47:17 PM
Quote
The final piece of the puzzle has been put in place, improving interstate access to the Parkview Regional Medical Center in north Fort Wayne...

All Clear: Union Chapel Road Interchange Now Fully Operational (http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Union-Chapel-Rd--I-69-Interchange-Open-To-Traffic-220827081.html) (Indiana's News Center)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on September 25, 2013, 01:23:49 AM
I was out riding a couple of weeks ago and snapped some pictures of Segment 4 construction.

I'm still learning Flickr, so forgive me in advance for any mistakes.

This is just a random view of dirt in Monroe County.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3727%2F9927887624_caf259da41_c_d.jpg&hash=99099abc11ab1550157a2b03451201527ad108b7)

This is the IN45 intersection.  They built the overpass first and are just now getting around to digging the dirt and rock out from under;
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7449%2F9927814933_5a1da04fcc_c_d.jpg&hash=838a113dbd9dc09afc08c33300621e9b95289927)

This shovel is just above and right of the previous photo.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5491%2F9927678705_f30df3d8f6_c_d.jpg&hash=9d4dfd6434d2e7c1600bd8fc41cff7bc947e1fb2)

If I got this right, I'll take and post some more pictures over the next few months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on September 25, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
Is there a way we can get a map of where this is located at - i.e. the IN 45 interchange, specifically?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on September 25, 2013, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 25, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
Is there a way we can get a map of where this is located at - i.e. the IN 45 interchange, specifically?

Again, I'm still trying to figure out the details on this stuff.
I think this link will get you to the Flickr page and you can get the GPS tags directly from the photos there.  I don't have anything organized, but everything there is from my I-69 ride, so you don't have to pick through any other stuff.  As a minimum, I hope to go back and note what direction I'm looking for each photo, but that's more than I can do during lunch break.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/102735237@N03/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/102735237@N03/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 25, 2013, 02:22:51 PM
Here is a website with a map of where construction is ongoing:  http://www.i69indyevn.org/i-69-corridor-interactive-map/

I drove this section of IN 45 this past Saturday. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on September 25, 2013, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 25, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
Is there a way we can get a map of where this is located at - i.e. the IN 45 interchange, specifically?

If I did this right, here is the Google Map link to the IN45 I69 intersection.
http://goo.gl/Lr9NMz (http://goo.gl/Lr9NMz)

This link is from the construction run-around as the overpass was being built.  For some reason I am getting some 2012 photography and then it jumps back to 2009 for a stretch.

edit:
by the way, bing photography shows the trees removed.
http://binged.it/18qoabz (http://binged.it/18qoabz)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 27, 2013, 06:34:56 AM
Quote
There's a difference of opinion when it comes to stormwater quality at the construction sites for Interstate 69 through Monroe County. On one side is the Indiana Department of Transportation, which noted violations following June storms at construction sites, but believes other factors caused subsequent sedimentation reports...

Monroe County: 'INDOT could do better' on I-69 (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206&ArticleID=71432) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on September 30, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
With construction on their door step, Bloomington is not done messing around with I-69.

http://www.ibj.com/monroe-county-looks-to-limit-i-69-truck-stops/PARAMS/article/43782 (http://www.ibj.com/monroe-county-looks-to-limit-i-69-truck-stops/PARAMS/article/43782)
QuoteOfficials in southern Indiana's Monroe County are looking at tougher rules for any truck stops that might be built with the opening of the Interstate 69 extension.

I think this is largely symbolic and pointless.  I think the only potential place for such a truck stop would be the southern split of IN37 and I69 due to the lack of any other un-developed exchanges with meaningful highway intersections.

I suspect a more likely place for major truck stop would be the I69, US231 and IN45 exchange about 30 miles west well outside Monroe County.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 30, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: andy on September 30, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
With construction on their door step, Bloomington is not done messing around with I-69.

http://www.ibj.com/monroe-county-looks-to-limit-i-69-truck-stops/PARAMS/article/43782 (http://www.ibj.com/monroe-county-looks-to-limit-i-69-truck-stops/PARAMS/article/43782)
QuoteOfficials in southern Indiana's Monroe County are looking at tougher rules for any truck stops that might be built with the opening of the Interstate 69 extension.

I think this is largely symbolic and pointless.  I think the only potential place for such a truck stop would be the southern split of IN37 and I69 due to the lack of any other un-developed exchanges with meaningful highway intersections.

I suspect a more likely place for major truck stop would be the I69, US231 and IN45 exchange about 30 miles west well outside Monroe County.

the state should take out all interchanges within 10 miles of Bloomington. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on October 01, 2013, 12:26:31 AM
Has anyone involved with the Monroe County MPO actually been out on SR-37 in the last 20 years...all this fuss about limiting the development and adverse effects of I-69 is moronic. The interchanges and frontage roads along SR 37 in Bloomington are packed with all kinds of urban sprawl, Sams, Wal-Mart, Kohls, numerous chain hotels and restaurants, and strip malls galore.  There isn't any room for anything else if somebody wanted to put something in.

Do they think Sams is going to get knocked down for a Flying J?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 01, 2013, 12:27:27 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 30, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
the state should take out all interchanges within 10 miles of Bloomington.

In fact, there are no exchanges south/west of IN37 for 11 miles. Possibly not an accident, because for Bloomington to grow, I think at least one should have been built. Now any residential development that direction will be in the next county.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on October 01, 2013, 02:39:18 AM
QuoteOfficials in southern Indiana's Monroe County are looking at tougher rules for any truck stops that might be built with the opening of the Interstate 69 extension.

While that particular point may be moot in Bloomington's case, it is in general a very sensible, even prudent, course of action. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 01, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: andy on October 01, 2013, 12:27:27 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 30, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
the state should take out all interchanges within 10 miles of Bloomington.

In fact, there are no exchanges south/west of IN37 for 11 miles. Possibly not an accident, because for Bloomington to grow, I think at least one should have been built. Now any residential development that direction will be in the next county.

There's actually still a ton of undeveloped land, particularly on the west side of the portion of SR37 that will become I-69.  Most development in Bloomington has been centered around Indiana University, not SR37.

Bloomington won't be out of suitable room for development anytime soon. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 01, 2013, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 01, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
There's actually still a ton of undeveloped land, particularly on the west side of the portion of SR37 that will become I-69.  Most development in Bloomington has been centered around Indiana University, not SR37.

Bloomington won't be out of suitable room for development anytime soon.

I'll grant that's partly true, though there is a lot of development around SR37.

And it still strikes me as odd that a city the size of Bloomington goes 11 miles out between exchanges.  In addition, the design of that exchange connects to a west bound stub road that grants no real access to Monroe county. (But I may be living in my own biased fantasy world.)

I'll also grant Vtk's point that such restrictions might be prudent, but a co-worker pointed out to me that there has been, for a while now, a small truck stop south of where the SR37 ramps are being built.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 01, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
Bloomington likely has little attention to develop southwest of town beyond the airport and fairgrounds and the area that the highway passes through will likely remain rural and I suspect those who live there will keep it that way. In that respect, I don't see much suburban style development out in eastern Greene County either. Growth in that city from what I've seen will stay east of the SR 37 corridor on the south side and areas around IU. The hills in that county make it unlikely to see any kind of Hamilton County-style of growth in Monroe County and I again suspect that the locals would like to keep it that way. As for a truck stop, I could actually see one along SR 46 west of the interchange with SR 37 (soon 69) at around Curry Pike. That area is designed to be some sort of industrial from my trips in that area and SR 46 is a well-traveled highway from Spencer down to Bloomington.

I do agree about the US 231 interchange and the possibility for a truck stop there, very doable and likely.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 01, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
Quote from: andy on October 01, 2013, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 01, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
There's actually still a ton of undeveloped land, particularly on the west side of the portion of SR37 that will become I-69.  Most development in Bloomington has been centered around Indiana University, not SR37.

Bloomington won't be out of suitable room for development anytime soon.

I'll grant that's partly true, though there is a lot of development around SR37.

And it still strikes me as odd that a city the size of Bloomington goes 11 miles out between exchanges.  In addition, the design of that exchange connects to a west bound stub road that grants no real access to Monroe county. (But I may be living in my own biased fantasy world.)

I'll also grant Vtk's point that such restrictions might be prudent, but a co-worker pointed out to me that there has been, for a while now, a small truck stop south of where the SR37 ramps are being built.

OTOH, how far is the first interchange on I-74 west of I-465 in the Indianapolis area?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 01, 2013, 10:03:08 PM
Exit 68 is 5 miles west of I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on October 01, 2013, 11:22:18 PM
I-71 north of Columbus: 10 miles from OH-750 to US-36.  Until the 90s, it was 12 miles from I-270 to US-36.  That's a pretty good stretch just outside the city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 02, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
As I think about it more, I also have to admit that since SR45 mostly parallels I69, it's probably unreasonable for me to have expected a budget conscious design to throw in an exchange along this stretch. Similar thinking killed the two extra exchanges between Washington and Petersburg in favor of letting SR57 serve the area.

And, as much as I hate to say anything nice about Monroe county, the do seem to be managing the growth of SR45 fairly well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 02, 2013, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: andy on October 02, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
As I think about it more, I also have to admit that since SR45 mostly parallels I69, it's probably unreasonable for me to have expected a budget conscious design to throw in an exchange along this stretch. Similar thinking killed the two extra exchanges between Washington and Petersburg in favor of letting SR57 serve the area.

And, as much as I hate to say anything nice about Monroe county, the do seem to be managing the growth of SR45 fairly well.

I'm surprised they didn't just decommission 57
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 02, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
I suspect in a matter of within a few years, at least some sections of SR 57 will indeed be decommissioned.  It may take the completion of I-69 at least to Bloomington as well as some protracted negotiations with the local cities and counties along SR 57's route to come to agreements on improvements to the roadway that have to be made before it is relinquished and then accepted by the local governments.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 02, 2013, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on October 02, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
I suspect in a matter of within a few years, at least some sections of SR 57 will indeed be decommissioned.  It may take the completion of I-69 at least to Bloomington as well as some protracted negotiations with the local cities and counties along SR 57's route to come to agreements on improvements to the roadway that have to be made before it is relinquished and then accepted by the local governments.

I think the evansville section goes first
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 02, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
I to agree that the Evansville stretch of SR 57 from US 41 to I-164 (69) will go first, but as for the rest of the highway, I'm not sure. SR 42 follows I-70 from Terre Haute to Mooresville, SR 46 follows I-74 from Greensburg to near Harrison, Ohio, and SR 68 follows I-64 from Poseyville to Dale with SR 62 following the rest of the interstate all the way to Edwardsville. I would ask why hasn't INDOT decided to give up any of these segments to the counties if the interstate is nearby.

The answer is because they still connect with small towns along their paths and as long as a state highway does that it will still be safe. We've seen plenty of decommissionings, but those highways are usually either very small and connect with a town that may already have a highway connection, or travel through towns (such as the Lafayette area decommissionings of late.) I think SR 57 is safe for the time being.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 02, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
I to agree that the Evansville stretch of SR 57 from US 41 to I-164 (69) will go first, but as for the rest of the highway, I'm not sure. SR 42 follows I-70 from Terre Haute to Mooresville, SR 46 follows I-74 from Greensburg to near Harrison, Ohio, and SR 68 follows I-64 from Poseyville to Dale with SR 62 following the rest of the interstate all the way to Edwardsville. I would ask why hasn't INDOT decided to give up any of these segments to the counties if the interstate is nearby.

The answer is because they still connect with small towns along their paths and as long as a state highway does that it will still be safe. We've seen plenty of decommissionings, but those highways are usually either very small and connect with a town that may already have a highway connection, or travel through towns (such as the Lafayette area decommissionings of late.) I think SR 57 is safe for the time being.

Guess your right, you can also add US 136, 40, and 31 to that list.  SR 42 is a dangerous road in places very sharp curves.  US 136 is completely useless though. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 03, 2013, 06:36:04 AM
A little history on SR 68.  Back in the mid 70's, even before I-64 was completed across Indiana, most of SR 68 was decommisioned and handed back to the counties.  I don't know the details, but the counties objected (why, I don't know) and Indiana State Highway Comission (now INDOT) was forced to take back the roadway into the system within a couple of years.  I was at the ISHC at the time as a young co-op student, working in the Vincennes District.

I do remember that before these roads can be decommisioned, that agreements have to be signed with local governments first and usually it involves maintenance beyond a certain time period after decommisioning and often resurfacing and various other improvements are included.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on October 03, 2013, 06:36:04 AM
A little history on SR 68.  Back in the mid 70's, even before I-64 was completed across Indiana, most of SR 68 was decommisioned and handed back to the counties.  I don't know the details, but the counties objected (why, I don't know) and Indiana State Highway Comission (now INDOT) was forced to take back the roadway into the system within a couple of years.  I was at the ISHC at the time as a young co-op student, working in the Vincennes District.

I do remember that before these roads can be decommisioned, that agreements have to be signed with local governments first and usually it involves maintenance beyond a certain time period after decommisioning and often resurfacing and various other improvements are included.

That explains why there are 2 US 231s and US 52s in West Lafayette.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on October 03, 2013, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 02, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
I to agree that the Evansville stretch of SR 57 from US 41 to I-164 (69) will go first, but as for the rest of the highway, I'm not sure. SR 42 follows I-70 from Terre Haute to Mooresville, SR 46 follows I-74 from Greensburg to near Harrison, Ohio, and SR 68 follows I-64 from Poseyville to Dale with SR 62 following the rest of the interstate all the way to Edwardsville. I would ask why hasn't INDOT decided to give up any of these segments to the counties if the interstate is nearby.

The answer is because they still connect with small towns along their paths and as long as a state highway does that it will still be safe. We've seen plenty of decommissionings, but those highways are usually either very small and connect with a town that may already have a highway connection, or travel through towns (such as the Lafayette area decommissionings of late.) I think SR 57 is safe for the time being.

Guess your right, you can also add US 136, 40, and 31 to that list.  SR 42 is a dangerous road in places very sharp curves.  US 136 is completely useless though.

I agree on US 136, but I think US 150 may even be more useless. Most of the route is co-signed with either US 41 or US 50..and it's never even mentioned in those areas. I have never heard anyone in Sullivan or Terre Haute refer to the highway as 41-150, not once. The only section of any relevence is between Shoals and New Albany, a route that could easily be handled with a state route designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on October 04, 2013, 10:49:17 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on October 03, 2013, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 03, 2013, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 02, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
I to agree that the Evansville stretch of SR 57 from US 41 to I-164 (69) will go first, but as for the rest of the highway, I'm not sure. SR 42 follows I-70 from Terre Haute to Mooresville, SR 46 follows I-74 from Greensburg to near Harrison, Ohio, and SR 68 follows I-64 from Poseyville to Dale with SR 62 following the rest of the interstate all the way to Edwardsville. I would ask why hasn't INDOT decided to give up any of these segments to the counties if the interstate is nearby.

The answer is because they still connect with small towns along their paths and as long as a state highway does that it will still be safe. We've seen plenty of decommissionings, but those highways are usually either very small and connect with a town that may already have a highway connection, or travel through towns (such as the Lafayette area decommissionings of late.) I think SR 57 is safe for the time being.

Guess your right, you can also add US 136, 40, and 31 to that list.  SR 42 is a dangerous road in places very sharp curves.  US 136 is completely useless though.

I agree on US 136, but I think US 150 may even be more useless. Most of the route is co-signed with either US 41 or US 50..and it's never even mentioned in those areas. I have never heard anyone in Sullivan or Terre Haute refer to the highway as 41-150, not once. The only section of any relevence is between Shoals and New Albany, a route that could easily be handled with a state route designation.

US-150 could be trimmed back to New Albany and no one, IMHO, would really notice.  It's a useless route through Illinois as well  Most could be turned back to the counties, and the section from Galesburg to Moline could become an extension of IL-41.  West of IL-1, US-136 serves some sort of purpose, but from Danville to Indy, it's also pretty useless.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on October 04, 2013, 12:06:43 PM
It's a parallel surface route to the Interstate. No more useless than any other such route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 04, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on October 03, 2013, 10:54:04 PM
I agree on US 136, but I think US 150 may even be more useless. Most of the route is co-signed with either US 41 or US 50..and it's never even mentioned in those areas. I have never heard anyone in Sullivan or Terre Haute refer to the highway as 41-150, not once. The only section of any relevence is between Shoals and New Albany, a route that could easily be handled with a state route designation.

Would such a truncation of US 150 allow it to remain as a road of greater length than 300 miles?

If it was truncated to US 50, it could become an answer to a trivia question -- what roads begin at a certain route number and end at that number's double? (Or half, if you prefer).

It would begin at US 25 and end at US 50, or vice versa if you prefer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 06, 2013, 12:28:55 PM
http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Sec5_PreferredAlt8.pdf

Here is a PDF map of the refined, preferred alternative for Section 5 (through Bloomington to Martinsville) that was approved a couple months ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 06, 2013, 02:28:58 PM
why are they redoing the sr 45 interchange?   isn't it fine to keep as is? it would save a lot of money
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 06, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
It has to do with the Tapp Road interchange. By the looks of it they are making Tapp and SR 45/2nd Street a split-diamond interchange. In doing so traffic heading north from Tapp Road will have to stop at SR 45/2nd first before entering the freeway. The interchange currently there wouldn't work in that configuration. Of course we could have some kind of C/D setup so that traffic can leave and enter the freeway in between Tapp and SR 45/2nd but then that would probably cost a little more money not to mention lead to a wider freeway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 06, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 06, 2013, 02:28:58 PM
why are they redoing the sr 45 interchange?   isn't it fine to keep as is? it would save a lot of money

Are they expanding to six lanes under sr45? If so, they may need to re-do the exchange to make the acceleration lane available as a through lane.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 06, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
Initially the highway will be six lanes from SR 48 to SR 45, effectively what they have right now as INDOT has concluded that six-laning the highway around Bloomington won't be needed until sometime after 2030 or so. Given that, I hope they at least design the road where the expansion of lanes can be done without much new construction. Now that I recall it, I don't remember if that six lane segment currently being planned includes the auxilary lane between the two exits, as there is now, or will be six lanes plus the auxilary on both sides, that may factor in the interchange's design.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Indyroads on October 07, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
what I don't understand is why Indot does not utilize a frontage road system with slip ramps like they do in Texas. Highways in Texas with this configuration are able to (for the most part) maintain the smaller footprint. This could be particularly useful in the areas with commercial retail developments close to the highway in Bloomington, and on the south side of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 07, 2013, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 06, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
Initially the highway will be six lanes from SR 48 to SR 45, effectively what they have right now as INDOT has concluded that six-laning the highway around Bloomington won't be needed until sometime after 2030 or so. Given that, I hope they at least design the road where the expansion of lanes can be done without much new construction. Now that I recall it, I don't remember if that six lane segment currently being planned includes the auxilary lane between the two exits, as there is now, or will be six lanes plus the auxilary on both sides, that may factor in the interchange's design.
For the segment in Bloomington the plan for whenever they build the extra lanes is to put them in the current median of SR 37 and to place a concrete barrier in the middle.  That way they don't have to acquire right of way all the way for two additional lanes through Bloomington which would signficantly increase the cost of the project.

Quote from: Indyroads on October 07, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
what I don't understand is why Indot does not utilize a frontage road system with slip ramps like they do in Texas. Highways in Texas with this configuration are able to (for the most part) maintain the smaller footprint. This could be particularly useful in the areas with commercial retail developments close to the highway in Bloomington, and on the south side of Indianapolis.

In the case of the SR 45 interchange, there's literally no room for a frontage road to go with slip ramps to go, particularly with how the existing SR 37 curves.  They'd have to demolish most of those restaurants to make it work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 07, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
Are there really no plans to upgrade that awful interchange on the eastside with 69/465?  I thought for sure I read that it was part of the indy commute projects. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dfwtbear on October 08, 2013, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 07, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
what I don't understand is why Indot does not utilize a frontage road system with slip ramps like they do in Texas. Highways in Texas with this configuration are able to (for the most part) maintain the smaller footprint. This could be particularly useful in the areas with commercial retail developments close to the highway in Bloomington, and on the south side of Indianapolis.
I have always wondered why most states have not adopted this way of building freeways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on October 08, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
Isn't it more expensive outside of special cases like preserving a corridor or close interchanges because you're essentially building four carriageways?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Indyroads on October 09, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 07, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
Are there really no plans to upgrade that awful interchange on the eastside with 69/465?  I thought for sure I read that it was part of the indy commute projects. 

Plans do exist on rebuilding that NIGHTMARE of an interchange but it is a few years off yet

The plan is to separate traffic heading to the 82nd street exit from the mainline I-69 ramps as well as improving the interchange itself.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 09, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 09, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 07, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
Are there really no plans to upgrade that awful interchange on the eastside with 69/465?  I thought for sure I read that it was part of the indy commute projects. 

Plans do exist on rebuilding that NIGHTMARE of an interchange but it is a few years off yet

The plan is to separate traffic heading to the 82nd street exit from the mainline I-69 ramps as well as improving the interchange itself.
that interchange is deplorable, I also can't believe that there are no plans to upgrade 465 from just north of 86th st. to US 31.  Michigan road isn't bad yet, but the 865 interchange is an embarrassment, absolute disaster during the rush hours, and the only reason why traffic backs up is the bottleneck that is that interchange.  Wonderful idea to funnel 8 lanes down to 4 then back to 6, don't get me started on that deathtrap of a flyover ramp from N465 to W865.  I'm sure they think it doesn't need it, but the constant back ups in both rush hours I beg to differ!!!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Indyroads on October 10, 2013, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 09, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 09, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 07, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
Are there really no plans to upgrade that awful interchange on the eastside with 69/465?  I thought for sure I read that it was part of the indy commute projects. 

Plans do exist on rebuilding that NIGHTMARE of an interchange but it is a few years off yet

The plan is to separate traffic heading to the 82nd street exit from the mainline I-69 ramps as well as improving the interchange itself.
that interchange is deplorable, I also can't believe that there are no plans to upgrade 465 from just north of 86th st. to US 31.  Michigan road isn't bad yet, but the 865 interchange is an embarrassment, absolute disaster during the rush hours, and the only reason why traffic backs up is the bottleneck that is that interchange.  Wonderful idea to funnel 8 lanes down to 4 then back to 6, don't get me started on that deathtrap of a flyover ramp from N465 to W865.  I'm sure they think it doesn't need it, but the constant back ups in both rush hours I beg to differ!!!

The I-865 and 4654 interchange needs to be constructed so that the mainline follows I-465 from East to South.  There is enough ROW available to do this.... Preferably with 3 lanes on the mainline and 2 exiting lanes to I-865 to Boone County and I-65 North. That section of I-465 from US 31 to 86th street will undoubtedly be upgraded  soon as it is one of the final segments of I-465 that hasn't been upgraded.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on October 14, 2013, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 10, 2013, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 09, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 09, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 07, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
Are there really no plans to upgrade that awful interchange on the eastside with 69/465?  I thought for sure I read that it was part of the indy commute projects. 

Plans do exist on rebuilding that NIGHTMARE of an interchange but it is a few years off yet

The plan is to separate traffic heading to the 82nd street exit from the mainline I-69 ramps as well as improving the interchange itself.
that interchange is deplorable, I also can't believe that there are no plans to upgrade 465 from just north of 86th st. to US 31.  Michigan road isn't bad yet, but the 865 interchange is an embarrassment, absolute disaster during the rush hours, and the only reason why traffic backs up is the bottleneck that is that interchange.  Wonderful idea to funnel 8 lanes down to 4 then back to 6, don't get me started on that deathtrap of a flyover ramp from N465 to W865.  I'm sure they think it doesn't need it, but the constant back ups in both rush hours I beg to differ!!!

The I-865 and 4654 interchange needs to be constructed so that the mainline follows I-465 from East to South.  There is enough ROW available to do this.... Preferably with 3 lanes on the mainline and 2 exiting lanes to I-865 to Boone County and I-65 North. That section of I-465 from US 31 to 86th street will undoubtedly be upgraded  soon as it is one of the final segments of I-465 that hasn't been upgraded.

This is what bugs me about I-865.  It really did not need to be done.  I-465 could have started at I-65 by Zionsville and them been numbered (FHWA be damned here) clockwise back to that point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on October 15, 2013, 09:05:29 AM
I noticed that the newly opened I-69 is now on GSV.  It is neat that at the US 231 interchange at its north end as from US 231 it shows the interchange under construction, due to early capture, but the unopened ramps from US 231 you can maneuver onto and its done.

Corrected "caption" and removed subsequent posts relating to the misspelling (per the guidelines (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0)). - Alex
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 15, 2013, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 15, 2013, 09:05:29 AM
I noticed that the newly opened I-69 is now on GSV.  It is neat that at the US 231 interchange at its north end as from US 231 it shows the interchange under construction, due to early caption, but the unopened ramps from US 231 you can manuver onto and its done.

Everything is done west of us231 and the overpass is done. The east ramps are still under constuction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lamsalfl on October 15, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
Why was Plainview left without an interchange?  Not to say this road was done on the cheap, but did they kinda "fudge" interchange locations like Elnora/Odon to cut costs and get the road built?  Seems like Elnora could have had direct access.  Newberry failed to get an interchange as well. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on October 15, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
It looks like they favored state roads and US routes for interchanges.  I don't see any interchanges on other types of roads on this new stretch.  None of the towns you mentioned have a direct route from 69 to the town so that is probably why they don't have interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 15, 2013, 02:54:57 PM
The road was built with a "frugal" attitude, but there was also a measure of not letting "perfect be the enemy of good".  Since this is considered a rural area, the policy seemed to be to avoid exchanges closer than 10 miles.  Elnora to the current sr58 exchage is only about two miles.  It was discussed, particularly to support traffic continuing north on 57, but it just didn't justify the cost.


lamsalfl: "Plainview"??  Do you mean Plainville?  Since sr358 goes toward Odon, it might be argued that is Plainville's access and again that would have fallen under the 10 mile rule of thumb.

I'm just happy the thing was built. Some of the missing exchanges might be added in the future, but even if I have to share the road with construction crews from time to time (like this morning), its darn'd handy as is.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 15, 2013, 06:32:09 PM
This is hardly a new thing for Indiana. One time I had to go to a funeral in the town of St. Peter in southern Franklin County. To get there I had to take I-74 to SR 101 and then SR 46. A few miles later I then turned onto to St. Peter Road which took me across the interstate and straight into town. There is a Boy Scout camp on the Clay-Putnam County line and the best way to get there is to take I-70 west to SR 59 (passing the location of the camp by several miles) and then back track to the east along SR 42 for a few miles (using SR 243 and 42 is the next best option but is far more windy of a route and negates any time benefits.)

The point is, this has been a standard practice in this state for years and even today there are very few interchanges outside of urban areas between an interstate and a non-U.S. or state highway. As I mentioned earlier, it's for reasons like these I suspect that SR 57 will remain, along with other highways that run parallel with an interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 15, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2013, 06:32:09 PM
The point is, this has been a standard practice in this state for years and even today there are very few interchanges outside of urban areas between an interstate and a non-U.S. or state highway. As I mentioned earlier, it's for reasons like these I suspect that SR 57 will remain, along with other highways that run parallel with an interstate.

Agreed. IMO, that's not a bad thing, not that this really has anything specifically to do with I69.  Many seem think interstates are designed to spread development, but sometimes getting the traffic safely around and past a community of no interest to them is beneficial. It allows the major metropolitan areas to serve a much larger area and the smaller communities can often do well with only modest development.  Not to say some don't dream bigger than they need to.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on October 16, 2013, 05:20:05 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 14, 2013, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 10, 2013, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 09, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 09, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 07, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
Are there really no plans to upgrade that awful interchange on the eastside with 69/465?  I thought for sure I read that it was part of the indy commute projects. 

Plans do exist on rebuilding that NIGHTMARE of an interchange but it is a few years off yet

The plan is to separate traffic heading to the 82nd street exit from the mainline I-69 ramps as well as improving the interchange itself.
that interchange is deplorable, I also can't believe that there are no plans to upgrade 465 from just north of 86th st. to US 31.  Michigan road isn't bad yet, but the 865 interchange is an embarrassment, absolute disaster during the rush hours, and the only reason why traffic backs up is the bottleneck that is that interchange.  Wonderful idea to funnel 8 lanes down to 4 then back to 6, don't get me started on that deathtrap of a flyover ramp from N465 to W865.  I'm sure they think it doesn't need it, but the constant back ups in both rush hours I beg to differ!!!

The I-865 and 4654 interchange needs to be constructed so that the mainline follows I-465 from East to South.  There is enough ROW available to do this.... Preferably with 3 lanes on the mainline and 2 exiting lanes to I-865 to Boone County and I-65 North. That section of I-465 from US 31 to 86th street will undoubtedly be upgraded  soon as it is one of the final segments of I-465 that hasn't been upgraded.

This is what bugs me about I-865.  It really did not need to be done.  I-465 could have started at I-65 by Zionsville and them been numbered (FHWA be damned here) clockwise back to that point.
That was the original numbering until 2002 or 2003.  I-865 was put on the "extra leg" to minimize driver confusion.

If traffic counts are reviewed, more traffic flows from I-465 west to I-865 west and vice versa that from I-465 north to I-465 east and vice versa.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Drove I-69 from US 50/150 to I-64 for the first time yesterday.  Was very disappointed that there were no signs marking county lines, as Pike County was my 90th Indiana county visited, and I did not get to celebrate the exact moment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 21, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Drove I-69 from US 50/150 to I-64 for the first time yesterday.  Was very disappointed that there were no signs marking county lines, as Pike County was my 90th Indiana county visited, and I did not get to celebrate the exact moment.

Really? That's really lazy of INDOT not to do that, they do it on every highway they maintain (that I've been on at least)!  Was this a cost cutting procedure, or just laziness, or an oversight?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 21, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Drove I-69 from US 50/150 to I-64 for the first time yesterday.  Was very disappointed that there were no signs marking county lines, as Pike County was my 90th Indiana county visited, and I did not get to celebrate the exact moment.

Really? That's really lazy of INDOT not to do that, they do it on every highway they maintain (that I've been on at least)!  Was this a cost cutting procedure, or just laziness, or an oversight?

The road is open but construction isn't officially complete yet, so they may be waiting on that to do things like put up county limit signs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 21, 2013, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 21, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Drove I-69 from US 50/150 to I-64 for the first time yesterday.  Was very disappointed that there were no signs marking county lines, as Pike County was my 90th Indiana county visited, and I did not get to celebrate the exact moment.

Really? That's really lazy of INDOT not to do that, they do it on every highway they maintain (that I've been on at least)!  Was this a cost cutting procedure, or just laziness, or an oversight?

The road is open but construction isn't officially complete yet, so they may be waiting on that to do things like put up county limit signs.

There are also a lot of side road signs not done.  As thefro commented, it looks like the sign work is waiting until the road is closer to complete, likely through section 4.
I've heard numerous stories about drivers missing the turn to Loogootee because its not posted until after you're on the ramp (only US50/150 is on the interstate proper).  Hopefully they eventually improve things.

I know its too late now, but as for celebrating Knox county, that one is easy because I-69 is from the White River Bridge to the Potoka River bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on October 22, 2013, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 21, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Drove I-69 from US 50/150 to I-64 for the first time yesterday.  Was very disappointed that there were no signs marking county lines, as Pike County was my 90th Indiana county visited, and I did not get to celebrate the exact moment.

Really? That's really lazy of INDOT not to do that, they do it on every highway they maintain (that I've been on at least)!  Was this a cost cutting procedure, or just laziness, or an oversight?

I have noticed that, and as of yet, there are still no mileage signs anywhere along the route. I get not having Bloomington or Indy yet, but why isn't southbound signed going towards Evansville? And you could certainly have the mileage to Washington and US 231 on the northbound route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 22, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
I can speculate on reasons why there are so few signs on I-69. First, I think Mitch Daniels was pretty smart in that he spread the wealth: most every metro area received something from Major Moves. NW Indiana got the expensive Borman/I-65 interchange rebuild and US 41 improvements - South Bend got the US 31 freeway and SR 331 - Elkhart got some major improvements on SR 19 and US 33 (and probably CR 17) - Fort Wayne got the US 24 freeway, part of the I-69 widening, and the SR 14 widening - Kokomo got the US 31 freeway and other improvements - Lafayette got the SR 25 expressway and a western bypass - Indy got Accelerate 465, north leg improvements, the I-69 widening, the Keystone Parkway freeway, and the US 31 freeway - Terre Haute is getting SR 641 freeway - Evansville and Washington got I-69 - Clark County is getting the East End Ohio River bridge (approaches are funded from MM). I would also say most Bloomington people were happy with both SR 45/SR 46 widening and even I-69.

So, because I-69 alone was getting $700M (20%?) of the Major Moves funds and because the anti-I-69 folks were so vocal that the entire I-69 road would cost the state $3.2B, INDOT was really diligent about keeping the costs of I-69 construction as low as possible. They cut out two interchanges and a rest area, and they made the medians a bit narrower to save land acquisition costs. So signs were another casualty. Yet, the state wanted I-69 to at least connect Evansville and Bloomington. To INDOT's credit, they did install lighting at I-69 and US 50.

Also, I bet federal funds will eventually pay for the vast majority of the additional signage when it does get put up. So there may be a method to the madness.

I'd say the sparse signage is a small price to pay for getting this critical highway built.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 24, 2013, 09:23:32 PM
I hope that the additional signage, mileage signs and county lines will be added once Section 4 is completed. That or I'll be asking INDOT what's up with that. We were able to add mileage signs to the new US 24, 231, 31 and SR 25, we can do so for I-69. To that degree, that's why I includes the distances to certain control points on the interstate when I helped create the I-69 page for AARoads last year, so people could at least see what the distances may be when the real signs go up.


Oh, and it looks like I-69 just grew a little bit.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10675.0
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Indiana%20AM2013.pdf

I'm sure most of us can say it's about time!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 25, 2013, 02:20:32 PM
That's surprising to me that they're moving so quickly on replacing I-164 with I-69.  I guess it makes sense to start building some momentum for a new bridge and finishing Section 6.

The current decision seems to still be pending FHWA approval, so don't expect any signage changes yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 26, 2013, 10:22:21 PM
Approximately a year after it opened, I went back down to check out I-69. For the most part, it is holding up well. The Patoka Bridge pavement settling has been repaired, but the northbound US 50 ramp has visible cracking. This is the interchange that seemed to be completed at the last minute.

Further north toward US 231, they were re-paving the approaches to several of the bridges.

Below are some pictures of the current construction:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-US231-2013-1.jpg&hash=535d733b24275bfab136f5e8cebb7e0749d0c46f)
Looking east at US 231, the current terminus

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR45-2013-1.jpg&hash=a2768fa0daed8d40c91e70048ee88644e12c7fc8)
Looking west from SR 45 future interchange

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR54-2013-1.jpg&hash=9658496c36f7b18da82126c4ed638d3111741bf3)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR54-2013-5.jpg&hash=48870119fe8f6c3fb1a3967824e496854be0c44c)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR54-2013-2.jpg&hash=76a4b5f32e229d70115845002773bcaea0376e77)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR54-2013-3.jpg&hash=3b8214407496256b0f0d9b502c68b1aa32ecbfca)
Construction around SR 54

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 27, 2013, 10:36:42 AM
The Indiana Finance Authority has posted its request for proposals for I-69 Section 5
http://www.in.gov/ifa/2779.htm

Some interesting notes:
http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/101513_-_Final_RFP_-_IFA_-_I-69_Section_5_-_Form_A.pdf
- IFA's deadline for substantial baseline completion of the project is October 31, 2016 (i.e. the upgraded road, exits, etc being open to traffic).  The companies bidding can propose an earlier date, but not a later one.

http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/I-69_5_Technical_Provisions_RFP.PDF
- I-69 Section 4, Segment 9 (the portion that connects I-69 to the current SR 37) is now anticipated to be completed in May 2015.
- A tree-clearing project and work on the Walnut street bridge are expected to be let by INDOT in November 2013, seperate from the public-private partnership.
- Timing restrictions on construction appear to be much less than the previous construction sequencing table released by INDOT.  It's basically just "don't close all the lanes on a main road at once!" now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on October 28, 2013, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: mukade on October 26, 2013, 10:22:21 PM
Approximately a year after it opened, I went back down to check out I-69. For the most part, it is holding up well. The Patoka Bridge pavement settling has been repaired, but the northbound US 50 ramp has visible cracking. This is the interchange that seemed to be completed at the last minute.

Further north toward US 231, they were re-paving the approaches to several of the bridges.

Below are some pictures of the current construction:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR45-2013-1.jpg&hash=a2768fa0daed8d40c91e70048ee88644e12c7fc8)
Looking west from SR 45 future interchange

Doesn't look as if they've made much progress at this point since I was through in March:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/8639385460/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on October 28, 2013, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: rte66man on October 28, 2013, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: mukade on October 26, 2013, 10:22:21 PM
Approximately a year after it opened, I went back down to check out I-69. For the most part, it is holding up well. The Patoka Bridge pavement settling has been repaired, but the northbound US 50 ramp has visible cracking. This is the interchange that seemed to be completed at the last minute.

Further north toward US 231, they were re-paving the approaches to several of the bridges.

Below are some pictures of the current construction:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR45-2013-1.jpg&hash=a2768fa0daed8d40c91e70048ee88644e12c7fc8)
Looking west from SR 45 future interchange

Doesn't look as if they've made much progress at this point since I was through in March:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rte66man/8639385460/

Agreed....hard to picture this being completed within a year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 28, 2013, 09:31:18 PM
If you look east from SR 45, however, it is a mixed bag. You can clearly see the ramps, but in the middle is a huge pile of earth. Can they complete this in 18 months? Probably.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69Const-SR45-2013-2.jpg&hash=68b2982b210646f84aae734947714d12ea7c0d3f)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Kniwt on October 28, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
From today, here's a two-minute video report from WTHI-TV with some scenes of Section 4.
http://www.wthitv.com/news/local/southern-indiana/i69-progress-drives-forward
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 03, 2013, 05:19:30 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Drove I-69 from US 50/150 to I-64 for the first time yesterday.  Was very disappointed that there were no signs marking county lines, as Pike County was my 90th Indiana county visited, and I did not get to celebrate the exact moment.

FWIW, new US 31 and SR 25 don't appear to have county line or overpass signage either. I think US 24 (Fort to Port) does.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 03, 2013, 06:27:43 PM
The US 31 corridor from Plymouth to South Bend does have a county line sign (a traditional non-interstate one) in the sign plans for the Marshall-St. Joseph line but I don't remember anything else. Actually, this seems to be a recent trend not to sign such things on new projects. When I've seen overpass signage disappear I sometimes don't see it reappear. Still, I-69 should have that kind of signage as it is a different class of highway over US 31 (as of this point) and SR 25. Hopefully it will appear later.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 04, 2013, 07:08:16 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 03, 2013, 06:27:43 PM
Still, I-69 should have that kind of signage as it is a different class of highway over US 31 (as of this point) and SR 25. Hopefully it will appear later.

As INDOT and Mitch Daniels said on many occasions, US 31 projects make the road "Interstate quality". To me, that makes the US 31 freeway the same class as I-69. No such claims were made about US 24 and SR 25. Still, this type of signage should be on I-69, US 31, and SR 25.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on November 05, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
First off Ithought there was a Indiana law for interstates that stated that the interchanges on interstates had to be 2 miles apart. Apperently I am wrong about that. Another thing is why would they ever redo the SR 45 Interchange. Leave it alone. I sort of figured the little exit thing north or SR 48 would get shut down that goes into the shopping center. Recently INDOT just redid the SR 45 interchange. They added another left turn lane for E 45 to go onto N 37. I hope they leave the folded diamond alone. INDOT is not very smart though. Just look at the exit design for the SR 641 / I70 interchange in Terre Haute. Putting traffic signals where two interstate quality roads come together is not a good idea at all. So much for an eastern bypass around TH with no stop lights.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 05, 2013, 01:56:23 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the Bloomington-Indianapolis stretch is built out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 05, 2013, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 05, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
First off Ithought there was a Indiana law for interstates that stated that the interchanges on interstates had to be 2 miles apart. Apperently I am wrong about that. Another thing is why would they ever redo the SR 45 Interchange. Leave it alone. I sort of figured the little exit thing north or SR 48 would get shut down that goes into the shopping center. Recently INDOT just redid the SR 45 interchange. They added another left turn lane for E 45 to go onto N 37. I hope they leave the folded diamond alone. INDOT is not very smart though. Just look at the exit design for the SR 641 / I70 interchange in Terre Haute. Putting traffic signals where two interstate quality roads come together is not a good idea at all. So much for an eastern bypass around TH with no stop lights.

I believe the rule is one mile apart but that only applies for rural interstates, urban areas are likely exempt from that which should include the Bloomington area. We already know the exits for the Bloomington to Martinsville stretch and it seems there will be two interchanges between the two cities, so that one-mile rule is applied there. As I mentioned a page or two ago, the SR 45 interchange is being rebuilt into a split-diamond interchange along with Tapp Road, which requires that the interchange design be changed so that the two exits (built close to each other) would be able to connect with each other. Sure I'd love to see them keep the current design, but in order to connect the interstate with SR 45 and Tapp Road this was probably the best and cheapest way to do so.

As for the I-70/SR 641 interchange, the design of the exit does ensure that the traffic movements from I-70 to the east and SR 641 to the south remain unimpeded without traffic having to stop. Except for the loop ramp from WB 70 TO SB 641 the traffic will remain free-flowing, it's only when you head north of there that the traffic has to stop but with the Margaret Ave intersection just north of I-70 you might as well. If you want a freeway-quality highway north of I-70 you'd have to get rid of that traffic light. It's no different from the new US 31/I-465 ramp in Carmel, all traffic from US 31 to the north with I-465 will be free-flowing (freeway-to-freeway) while traffic heading to the south will have to use traffic signals.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on November 05, 2013, 03:59:45 PM
Why not just add a 3rd lane from Tapp Rd. to SR 45 and keep the current interchange.

As far as Terre Haute is concerned NB 641 should not have to stop to get on WB 70. SR 46 (US 40) between Wabash and I 70 is going to turn into another 3rd Street. When 641 was planned they should've ran it up to Wabash.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 14, 2013, 03:13:58 PM
I'm told INDOT has an event planned (for tomorrow at 9 a.m., I think) to announce the renumbering of I-164 as I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 14, 2013, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 14, 2013, 03:13:58 PM
I'm told INDOT has an event planned (for tomorrow at 9 a.m., I think) to announce the renumbering of I-164 as I-69.

So will the whole segment of 164 be 69 until the ohio river bridge is finished?  I thought the little stub of 164 that will be left after the bridge will be called 169. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
AASHTO approved renumbering I-164 all the way to US 41. The tiny bit west of US 41 will remain 164, but will presumably not be signed as anything.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 14, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
Whatever's left to the west of US 41 will probably be considered as part of the Veterans Memorial Parkway with no I-164 at all. No need signing a miniscular section of interstate as such. As for the stretch of highway when the new bridge is built I see three options: 1) number it I-169 or some variation of that up to the US 41 interchange, 2) sign it US 41 if that highway is ever rerouted around the city along the I-69 corridor, 3) extend the Veterans Memorial Parkway out that way and sign it as such.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 14, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Looking at Google Streetview, the bit of I-164 west of US 41 isn't signed as I-164 at all presently.  There's an "ENDS I-164" sign at the US 41 exit and the road continuing westward is "Veterans Memorial Parkway".  If you come eastbound on Veterans Memorial Parkway the road just turns into a freeway and the exit sign for the US 41 exit also shows an exit with I-164, which seems to also designate the signed portion of the road starting at the US 41 interchange.

I suspect the remaining portion of I-164 will continue to be named that on the books for federal funding purposes at least until the I-69 bridge is built.  If they withdrew designation completely they'd have to pick up the full tab for maintenance of that little stretch of road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on November 15, 2013, 07:28:43 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 14, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
Whatever's left to the west of US 41 will probably be considered as part of the Veterans Memorial Parkway with no I-164 at all. No need signing a miniscular section of interstate as such.

I-175 and I-375 say hello.  It could be signed as an I-169 and still be longer than both combined.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2013, 09:28:47 AM
I-175 and I-375 say "we have separate interchanges".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 15, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
And I-180 goes into therapy out of shame
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 15, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
Here's a link to the story

http://www.14news.com/story/23979680/i-164-soon-i-69

QuoteEVANSVILLE (WFIE) -
The Indiana Department of Transportation says Interstate 164 will soon be named part of I-69.

Right now, I-164 stretches from downtown Evansville to Interstate 64 when it switches to I-69.

INDOT plans to rename the nearly 21 miles of the existing Interstate 164 in Vanderburgh and Warrick counties to Interstate 69.

Pending final approval from the Federal Highway Administration, the new signage will be installed during a transition period over a few months during the fall of 2014.

More information about the schedule will be announced as the dates approach.

Businesses are encouraged to begin planning now to update signage, maps and the directions they provide for customers.

The conversion will require updating approximately 70 large, green interstate signs at or near exits and the smaller, blue signs posted at bridges and every two tenths of a mile. When the new 67 miles of I-69 opened between Interstate 64 and Crane a year ago, the existing I-164 mile markers and exit numbers were continued northward and will not be affected.

The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials approved INDOT's request to rename I-164 at its Annual Meeting in October.

Construction is underway on all 27 miles of I-69 Section 4 between Crane and Bloomington, which is expected to open to traffic in phases during late 2014 and early 2015.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 15, 2013, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 14, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
AASHTO approved renumbering I-164 all the way to US 41. The tiny bit west of US 41 will remain 164, but will presumably not be signed as anything.
I thought it can't remain I-164, as it will no longer connect to its parent when it becomes I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on November 15, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
Until the new bridge is constructed, which will be years from now, I presume I-69 will take over the entire route of I-164.  Once I-69 is designated along the Pennyrile Pky in KY, I also presume that I-69 trailblazers will be co-signed with US 41 over existing bridge and across the Henderson "strip", connecting the two sections.  Once the new bridge is constructed, I would be surprised if a 3di is signed on the stub portion, even if it continues to be part of the interstate system as a hidden designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on November 15, 2013, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 15, 2013, 09:28:47 AM
I-175 and I-375 say "we have separate interchanges".

Staying within Indiana, I-865 also says "hello".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 15, 2013, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on November 15, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
Until the new bridge is constructed, which will be years from now, I presume I-69 will take over the entire route of I-164.  Once I-69 is designated along the Pennyrile Pky in KY, I also presume that I-69 trailblazers will be co-signed with US 41 over existing bridge and across the Henderson "strip", connecting the two sections.  Once the new bridge is constructed, I would be surprised if a 3di is signed on the stub portion, even if it continues to be part of the interstate system as a hidden designation.

From what I'm hearing, FHWA may allow Kentucky to sign I-69 along the Pennyrile Parkway as soon as all the necessary improvements are under contract (much the same way that it was signed on the WK Parkway).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2013, 03:30:03 PM
sup http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Indiana%20AM2013.pdf
QuoteThe overall route length of I-164 is 21.39 miles. The segment of I-164 that is proposed to be eliminated, renamed and resigned as I-69 over an existing facility is approximately 20.70 miles long.
That's 0.01 miles shorter than I-878.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: monty on November 16, 2013, 09:39:29 AM
Just heard on the local news that INDOT is petitioning to re-name I 164 in Evansville to I 69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 16, 2013, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: monty on November 16, 2013, 09:39:29 AM
Just heard on the local news that INDOT is petitioning to re-name I 164 in Evansville to I 69.

Isn't that what everybody had been discussing in the last 14 posts?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 16, 2013, 09:25:04 PM
If INDOT were wise, they would have held on to the I-69 mile markers from the stretch of I-69 that used to be from miles 0 to 20 in Hamilton and Madison Counties and use them down in Vanderburgh County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 16, 2013, 09:31:04 PM
The plain green ones are already in place, no?  The blue ones with fractional miles and route shields would have to be changed from I-164 to I-69 if they exist, but I don't know if that type of reference marker is used in Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 16, 2013, 10:32:23 PM
Yes, the exit signs and green mile markers don't need changing, just the highway shields themselves. There are blue fractional mile marker signs and yes they do say I-164 so they do have to go. I was just thinking about the ones that were previously on I-69 from I-465 to Anderson that reflected the older mile markers 0 to 20 before they were changed to 200 to 220. Those old signs could be reused in Vanderburgh County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 24, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: US 41 on November 05, 2013, 03:59:45 PM
Why not just add a 3rd lane from Tapp Rd. to SR 45 and keep the current interchange.

As far as Terre Haute is concerned NB 641 should not have to stop to get on WB 70. SR 46 (US 40) between Wabash and I 70 is going to turn into another 3rd Street. When 641 was planned they should've ran it up to Wabash.


Not sure how that would work considering the airport and considering who owns the land at the SE corner of Wabash and IN-46.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 24, 2013, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: dfwtbear on October 08, 2013, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Indyroads on October 07, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
what I don't understand is why Indot does not utilize a frontage road system with slip ramps like they do in Texas. Highways in Texas with this configuration are able to (for the most part) maintain the smaller footprint. This could be particularly useful in the areas with commercial retail developments close to the highway in Bloomington, and on the south side of Indianapolis.
I have always wondered why most states have not adopted this way of building freeways.


Because it is more expensive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on November 24, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
I am wondering if the US 41 flow from Chicagoland to Evansville will be likely to use I-69 when completed?  I doubt that you will loose that much more time even though you deviate several miles to the east where you cross I-70 at Indy instead of at Terre Haute 73 miles away, but also US 41 and SR 63 both have open 4 lane sections for many miles with a posted 60 mph.  You have only Terre Haute as the only slowdown as far as population centers while the rest is limited.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 24, 2013, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
I am wondering if the US 41 flow from Chicagoland to Evansville will be likely to use I-69 when completed?
Doubtful. It adds about 50 miles to the distance. I could maybe see using US 231 from Lafayette to I-69 (about 25 miles more), but that's probably got more slowdowns than US 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 24, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
According to Google maps....Chicago to Evansville

via US-41: 291 miles, 5 hours 24 min.
via I-65: 354 miles, 5 hours 32 min.

Could the completion of I-69 shave off 8 minutes?  Probably.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 24, 2013, 10:46:27 PM
The Goog probably underestimates speed on US 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 28, 2013, 07:40:23 AM
I just noticed that Google Maps also shows the I-69 shield on I-164. I'd say we're 9 months away from that being signed in the field, but I guess that change, even though not accurate, is OK.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 28, 2013, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 07:40:23 AM
I just noticed that Google Maps also shows the I-69 shield on I-164. I'd say we're 9 months away from that being signed in the field, but I guess that change, even though not accurate, is OK.

You could say that Google Maps is more correct than the signage on the ground.  Of course, that's not very helpful.  But I'd pin this more on InDOT.  If ODOT can put up hundreds of new speed limit signs in a single day on three months notice, why can't InDOT replace or modify a few dozen signs quickly starting about three months from now?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 28, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: vtk on November 28, 2013, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 07:40:23 AM
I just noticed that Google Maps also shows the I-69 shield on I-164. I'd say we're 9 months away from that being signed in the field, but I guess that change, even though not accurate, is OK.

You could say that Google Maps is more correct than the signage on the ground.  Of course, that's not very helpful.  But I'd pin this more on InDOT.  If ODOT can put up hundreds of new speed limit signs in a single day on three months notice, why can't InDOT replace or modify a few dozen signs quickly starting about three months from now?

Well, they are awaiting FHWA approval, so that is the primary reason for not doing it sooner. They did get AASHTO approval that is also contingent on FHWA approval. So this time will allow INDOT time to plan this as a real project seeing there are so many signs to change over: 9 interchanges on I-164 in 21 miles and enhanced reference markers every .2 miles. Also, they want to give nearby businesses a few months to update their advertising.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 28, 2013, 10:48:21 AM
I'd imagine you don't need FHWA or AASHTO's permission to change speed limit signs either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 28, 2013, 04:05:24 PM
I forgot about the FHWA approval or thought it was done already. In that case, Goog is too early to be even theoretically, technically, beurocratically correct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 28, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: vtk on November 28, 2013, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 07:40:23 AM
I just noticed that Google Maps also shows the I-69 shield on I-164. I'd say we're 9 months away from that being signed in the field, but I guess that change, even though not accurate, is OK.

You could say that Google Maps is more correct than the signage on the ground.  Of course, that's not very helpful.  But I'd pin this more on InDOT.  If ODOT can put up hundreds of new speed limit signs in a single day on three months notice, why can't InDOT replace or modify a few dozen signs quickly starting about three months from now?

Well, they are awaiting FHWA approval, so that is the primary reason for not doing it sooner. They did get AASHTO approval that is also contingent on FHWA approval. So this time will allow INDOT time to plan this as a real project seeing there are so many signs to change over: 9 interchanges on I-164 in 21 miles and enhanced reference markers every .2 miles. Also, they want to give nearby businesses a few months to update their advertising.


Are they going to be dumping I-164 altogether?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 28, 2013, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 28, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: vtk on November 28, 2013, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 07:40:23 AM
I just noticed that Google Maps also shows the I-69 shield on I-164. I'd say we're 9 months away from that being signed in the field, but I guess that change, even though not accurate, is OK.

You could say that Google Maps is more correct than the signage on the ground.  Of course, that's not very helpful.  But I'd pin this more on InDOT.  If ODOT can put up hundreds of new speed limit signs in a single day on three months notice, why can't InDOT replace or modify a few dozen signs quickly starting about three months from now?

Well, they are awaiting FHWA approval, so that is the primary reason for not doing it sooner. They did get AASHTO approval that is also contingent on FHWA approval. So this time will allow INDOT time to plan this as a real project seeing there are so many signs to change over: 9 interchanges on I-164 in 21 miles and enhanced reference markers every .2 miles. Also, they want to give nearby businesses a few months to update their advertising.


Are they going to be dumping I-164 altogether?
yes
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 01, 2013, 09:17:36 PM
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20131201/NEWS01/312010039/1001/I-69-work-readies-ground-paving

A construction update on Section 4.  Seems as if it's up to the weather as to whether the whole section opens in 2014 or early 2015.

QuoteWork on the next phase of Interstate 69, a 27-mile stretch between Bloomington and Crane, Ind., is in full swing – but that doesn't mean any asphalt is being laid.

Instead, workers are doing "dirt work"  – the kind of dirty work necessary when you build what the Indiana Department of Transportation calls a new-terrain interstate.

"You're moving the dirt that's in its place and getting it to a specific elevation, so you may have to cut down hills or fill in valley areas,"  said INDOT spokeswoman Cher Elliott. "So that way, when they pour the concrete for the roadway, it is at a certain elevation. It's the moving of the dirt to smooth it out. We don't just plane it off. We have a lot of compacting work that has to take place so that (the dirt) is established and solid before we put the road on top of it.

"We won't see actual mainline pavement being poured until sometime next year,"  she told the Evansville Couirer & Press.

This section of I-69 will be completed late next year or early 2015, with weather conditions being the determining factor.

Also, they're going to try to get some more federal money.

QuoteU.S. Rep. Larry Bucshon, who represents Indiana's 8th District, said he is in close touch with INDOT and Gov. Mike Pence's office about I-69's overall progress. Bucshon and several other House members in September launched the bipartisan Interstate 69 Congressional Caucus to tout the strategic importance of I-69 as a freight corridor.

Bucshon said he drove past the section between Crane and Bloomington on Tuesday, reporting no apparent problems with the work ongoing.

The second-term congressman holds out hope that he can get federal money for I-69 construction next year.

"One thing that will be important is that, at the federal level we're going to be working on a new highway bill again, starting in January,"  Bucshon said. "Hopefully, we'll make sure we continue to secure Indiana's share of the federal highway money that some wish could be used for I-69."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 01, 2013, 09:46:23 PM
Same article at

http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206&ArticleID=72289 (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206&ArticleID=72289)

Not much real information, I think Evansville just wants to make sure no one forgets about the project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 04, 2013, 06:58:41 PM
Another status link:

Quote
For the past year motorists driving south on I-69 have been able to nearly reach the Ohio River before running out of highway, but the brakes come on quickly when people hit the Crane exit going north. The Indiana Department of Transportation is working on section 4 linking Crane to State Road 37 at Bloomington, but those making the northern trip are still running on curvy 2-lane roads through the construction zone.
"Section 4 is still pretty close to being on schedule,"  said Cher Elliott with INDOT, "but everyone is anxious for the next section to open."

Full article: Current construction on I-69 creating unique challenges (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206&ArticleID=72325) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on December 05, 2013, 12:17:09 AM
The Indiana Economic Digest article confirms that weather will determine if the whole section to Bloomington can open by the end of 2014, but it also hints that there may be a partial opening:
Quote"We planned to open the highway to Bloomington by the end of 2014,"  said [INDOT spokesperson Cher] Elliott. "That really is going to depend on the terrain, weather, materials and equipment. We know some of it will open in 2014, but some of it may extend into 2015."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on December 05, 2013, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 24, 2013, 10:46:27 PM
The Goog probably underestimates speed on US 41.

No, they don't.  US-41 goes through the middle of Terre Haute.  There are also several signals on US-41 and IN-63 along with many 55 and 45 mph zones.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on December 05, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
Well it's now saying 5 hours 7 minutes. Maybe SEWIGuy sillily dragged the route to follow US 41 through Hammond-Whiting.

How's US 150 through West Terre Haute (crossing the Wabash River on I-70) as a bypass? The Goog has it taking 5 minutes (and 3 miles) longer, but it completely avoids downtown Terre Haute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on December 05, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 05, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
Well it's now saying 5 hours 7 minutes. Maybe SEWIGuy sillily dragged the route to follow US 41 through Hammond-Whiting.

How's US 150 through West Terre Haute (crossing the Wabash River on I-70) as a bypass? The Goog has it taking 5 minutes (and 3 miles) longer, but it completely avoids downtown Terre Haute.

Not too bad, but there are still several signals south of I-70 on US-41 by the Honey Creek Mall area with a 40 or 45 mph limit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 05, 2013, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 05, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
Well it's now saying 5 hours 7 minutes. Maybe SEWIGuy sillily dragged the route to follow US 41 through Hammond-Whiting.

How's US 150 through West Terre Haute (crossing the Wabash River on I-70) as a bypass? The Goog has it taking 5 minutes (and 3 miles) longer, but it completely avoids downtown Terre Haute.


The bottlenecks in Terre Haute are mostly south (and just north) of I-70 aren't they?

And yeah, I probably didn't drag the original routing properly! 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on December 05, 2013, 09:43:06 PM
any portion of US 41 in Terre Haute is going to be slow, but it is slower south of I-70. 

To get to US 150 to avoid downtown Terre Haute? that route would not be feasible/sensible for anyone taking US 41 down from Chicagoland.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on December 05, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: SSF on December 05, 2013, 09:43:06 PM
To get to US 150 to avoid downtown Terre Haute? that route would not be feasible/sensible for anyone taking US 41 down from Chicagoland.
What's infeasible about this (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=IN-63+S&daddr=39.453954,-87.465408+to:S+3rd+St&hl=en&ll=39.48417,-87.403793&spn=0.214896,0.453529&sll=39.549589,-87.419586&sspn=0.214693,0.453529&geocode=FdSZWwIdg87J-g%3BFQIFWgIdQGLJ-ilh7HOqrnxtiDFq05dejXdMuw%3BFUSWWQId-yLK-g&gl=us&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=12&via=1&t=m&z=12)? It might then be worthwhile to bip over to Canal Road and pick up SR 641.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on December 05, 2013, 11:49:17 PM
NE2-well, getting from US 41 over to 150 isn't the easiest thing to do, it would take backtracking on some county roads and SR 63 as your map indicates. From 41, you would take SR 63 north a mile or so, take a county road/old mining access road back to US 150, but that is going to add at least 3 miles to your trip.  US 150 through W Terre Haute is a 35 mph road and has about a half dozen stop lights.  Darwin Road to I-70 has heavy local traffic.  Then taking exit 7 to US 41 throws you out right on the worst part of US 41 through Terre Haute, so you add 10 miles to your trip and in my opinion( I grew up on the Illinois side of Terre Haute in Edgar County, IL for the first 25 years of my life), it will cost you time and there is nothing on that alternate stretch worth seeing. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on December 06, 2013, 12:50:33 AM
Through traffic from Chicago would be on SR 63...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on December 06, 2013, 06:27:31 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 06, 2013, 12:50:33 AM
Through traffic from Chicago would be on SR 63...

Which I can never figure out why these two were not flipped.  What is IN-63 should be US-41, IMHO.  It's the through route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 06, 2013, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 06, 2013, 06:27:31 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 06, 2013, 12:50:33 AM
Through traffic from Chicago would be on SR 63...

Which I can never figure out why these two were not flipped.  What is IN-63 should be US-41, IMHO.  It's the through route.


The refusal to flip-flop numbers was a short-term decision (to placate those on the routes), without taking a long-term view.  US-41 between IN-63 and Terre Haute is really a beautiful drive, but it is basically on a road worthy of a secondary state highway...it make no sense considering what is both north and south of there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on December 06, 2013, 02:08:59 PM
Seems like that would scream for an Alt. US 41 designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 06, 2013, 03:15:36 PM
Or simply IN-141. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 06, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
Or just having it the way it is also works
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 06, 2013, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 06, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
Or just having it the way it is also works


Well it clearly works...but it is nonsensical to have a major, four lane highway running the entire length of the state that starts with one number...continues with another when the previous number veers off on a minor path...only to reacquire that number later.

It's not going to be changed now.  But it should have been when the route was upgraded.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 06, 2013, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 06, 2013, 04:57:07 PM
...it is nonsensical to have a major, four lane highway running the entire length of the state that starts with one number...continues with another when the previous number veers off on a minor path...only to reacquire that number later.

The Hoosier Heartland Highway is not too dis-similar as it is US 24 for much of it, but then it becomes SR 25 between Lafayette and Logansport. That could be US 24 the whole way even if it would add miles to that route... if they hadn't decommissioned Sagamore Parkway in Lafayette.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 06, 2013, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 06, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
Or just having it the way it is also works


Well it clearly works...but it is nonsensical to have a major, four lane highway running the entire length of the state that starts with one number...continues with another when the previous number veers off on a minor path...only to reacquire that number later.

It's not going to be changed now.  But it should have been when the route was upgraded.
Not entirely four lanes, but US 222/PA 272 south of Lancaster.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 22, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 05, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 05, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
Well it's now saying 5 hours 7 minutes. Maybe SEWIGuy sillily dragged the route to follow US 41 through Hammond-Whiting.

How's US 150 through West Terre Haute (crossing the Wabash River on I-70) as a bypass? The Goog has it taking 5 minutes (and 3 miles) longer, but it completely avoids downtown Terre Haute.

Not too bad, but there are still several signals south of I-70 on US-41 by the Honey Creek Mall area with a 40 or 45 mph limit.

Take my advice. Just use 3rd Street it's the fastest way. 1st Street isn't too bad either, but it ends at Margaret (the main road just north of 70).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 22, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
Oh and be careful in downtown Terre Haute if you ever go through there. The Speed Limit drops from 40 to 30 for no good reason and there are always cops in that area. When your on the overpass in downtown TH that goes over the railroad tracks, you get to see the best view of the Terre Haute skyscrapers. Short skyscrapers (the tallest being two 15 story buildings, the Statesman Towers), but still skyscrapers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 31, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
Surprised that no one's brought this up yet, but work on Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville is slated to begin next year (2014) with completion in 2016.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/dec/30/bloomington--martinsville-phase-interstate-69-star/

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 31, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
Oh and be careful in downtown Terre Haute if you ever go through there. The Speed Limit drops from 40 to 30 for no good reason and there are always cops in that area. When your on the overpass in downtown TH that goes over the railroad tracks, you get to see the best view of the Terre Haute skyscrapers. Short skyscrapers (the tallest being two 15 story buildings, the Statesman Towers), but still skyscrapers.

I say this as a parent of an ISU student, not a Terre Haute basher. That isn't a skyline, it reminds me of a Chicago housing project view. When I drive across that overpass, I am usually humming the opening theme of "Good Times".

With that out of the way, I will say I have always liked the Sycamore building. It's a quirky old building with a lot of history.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on January 01, 2014, 01:10:46 AM
I went to the top of the Sycamore Building just the other day.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on January 08, 2014, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: mukade on November 28, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
Well, they are awaiting FHWA approval, so that is the primary reason for not doing it sooner. They did get AASHTO approval that is also contingent on FHWA approval. So this time will allow INDOT time to plan this as a real project seeing there are so many signs to change over: 9 interchanges on I-164 in 21 miles and enhanced reference markers every .2 miles. Also, they want to give nearby businesses a few months to update their advertising.

I don't think that anyone has posted about final FHWA approval (if someone has, then I simply missed it), but a recent Q & A with FHWA indicates that the redesignation has been official since November 14:

Quote
Q: Has FHWA officially approved the redesignation of I-164 as I-69 in Indiana, and the redesignations of I-540 as I-49 and AR 549 as I-49 in Arkansas?

A: I-164 was redesignated as I-69 on November 14, 2013 from I-64 to U.S. Route 41 in Indiana.  I-540 and AR 549 have not been redesignated as I-49 in Arkansas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 12, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
Tree clearing work to begin soon in preparation for Section 5 Construction.

http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?fromdate=1/1/2014&todate=1/31/2014&display=Month,Month&type=public&eventidn=154556&view=EventDetails&information_id=193421&print=print

QuoteINDIANAPOLIS — The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) has awarded a $2 million contract to Crider & Crider Inc. of Bloomington for tree clearing along State Road 37 in preparation for I-69 Section 5 construction, which will begin later this year. Tree removal is the first step in upgrading 21 miles of the existing, four-lane S.R. 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville to interstate standards.

Drivers should watch for crews working alongside S.R. 37 this winter and prepare for short-term lane closures and reduced work zone speed limits.

Under agreement with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and other regulatory agencies, INDOT is not cutting trees after March 31 to minimize impacts to the endangered Indiana bat during its roosting season. Any person or entity offering to cut trees within these restricted time frames is not working for or on behalf of INDOT.

INDOT encourages nearby landowners and loggers to follow the tree cutting restriction as well. Timber buyers and agents must be licensed under Indiana law, and must pay landowners for timber harvested. Landowners may verify that a timber buyer or logging company is properly licensed by searching the Indiana Online Licensing website at http://mylicense.in.gov.

In addition to the 4,100 acres preserved for I-69 Section 4, INDOT is purchasing land or preservation easements for an additional 1,100 acres to mitigate the environmental impacts of I-69 Section 5. More than 800 acres of established forest will be preserved in perpetuity and 300 acres of new trees will be planted in areas where additional bat habitat is needed.

The new Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis is a key component to the future economic vitality of southwestern Indiana, and will connect an entire region with improved access to jobs, education and healthcare. The 142-mile I-69 corridor was divided into six independent sections in the Tier 1 Final Environmental Impact Statement, which was approved with a Record of Decision in March 2004.

The first three sections opened for business in November 2012 — under budget and years ahead of schedule — and save motorists more than 30 minutes travel time in the 67 miles between Evansville and Crane. Construction is underway on all 27 miles of I-69 Section 4 between Crane and Bloomington, which is expected to open to traffic in phases during late 2014 and early 2015. Private sector proposals to design, build, finance, operate and maintain I-69 Section 5 are due in late January.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 29, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/tree-clearing-i69-section-5-begins-week-62192/

Tree removal begins this week in Bloomington for I-69 Section 5.

QuoteCrews this week will begin clearing trees along S.R. 37 in preparation for I-69 construction.

That means short-term lane closures and reduced work zone speed limits along S.R. 37.  Crews will begin work at Beanblossom Creek Overflow, near the partial interchange at Walnut Street, and continue south through Bloomington.

Tree removal is the next step in upgrading 21 miles of the existing, four-lane S.R. 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville to interstate standards. Indiana Department of Transportation officials say that work will begin later this year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 14, 2014, 09:39:37 AM
http://www.ibj.com/state-wants-early-access-to-long-term-transportation-fund/PARAMS/article/46164

State Senator Kenley apparently still pushing for the Indiana Commerce Connector to be used to complete I-69

QuoteAppropriations Committee Chairman Sen. Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville, has suggested expanding I-69 to create an outer beltway around I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 14, 2014, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: thefro on February 14, 2014, 09:39:37 AM
http://www.ibj.com/state-wants-early-access-to-long-term-transportation-fund/PARAMS/article/46164

State Senator Kenley apparently still pushing for the Indiana Commerce Connector to be used to complete I-69

QuoteAppropriations Committee Chairman Sen. Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville, has suggested expanding I-69 to create an outer beltway around I-465.

Why do they keep bring this commerce connector idea up?! 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on February 15, 2014, 07:01:33 PM
Spend some of the money on an interstate quality eastern bypass around Terre Haute for through US 41 / SR 63 traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on February 16, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
What is the Tapp Road / SR 45 interchange in Bloomington going to be like. A or B?

A) http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=dEpaRxBurp

B) http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=G0kWWzEut2
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 16, 2014, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: US 41 on February 16, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
What is the Tapp Road / SR 45 interchange in Bloomington going to be like. A or B?

A) http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=dEpaRxBurp

B) http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=G0kWWzEut2

B... it's going to be a split diamond.  I believe that's required to meet Interstate standards due to the two exits (Tapp Road & 2nd Street/SR 45) being less than a mile apart.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 19, 2014, 09:17:03 AM
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/contractor-for-i--section-to-be-named-wednesday/article_beec5c1d-5f50-555d-a73d-128ea761bf59.html

The group that will design/build/finance I-69 Section 5 is expected to be named this morning at the Indiana Finance Authority's meeting (going on right now)

edit: It's the Isolux Infrastructure Netherlands B.V.-led group
https://twitter.com/INDOTSoutheast/status/436162536694501377
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 19, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=160590&information_id=196051&type=&syndicate=syndicate

Here's the press release... looks like this partnership is going to shave about $70 million more off the cost off completing ($394 million was the price quoted in the ROD)

QuoteINDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - The Indiana Finance Authority (IFA) Board this morning made the preliminary selection of I-69 Development Partners, a team led by Isolux Infrastructure Netherlands B.V. to design, build, finance, operate and maintain I-69 Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville. Isolux has partnered with the local resources of contractors E&B Paving of Anderson, Force Construction Company of Columbus and Gradex Inc. of Indianapolis to preserve and upgrade the existing State Road 37 to interstate standards.

The preferred proposal would design and build the project for $325 million. Construction will begin later this year and the 21 new miles of interstate is scheduled to open by the end of 2016, several years ahead of schedule. The contract will limit the length and duration of lane closures to help maintain traffic flow for existing S.R. 37 traffic.

"I am firmly committed to finishing what we started with I-69 from Evansville to Indianapolis so products and people will be able to move even more freely, and towns will be open to commerce and opportunity for more Hoosiers," said Governor Mike Pence. "The private sector can harness a different character of innovation to find greater efficiencies, and this project will continue Indiana's strong track record of partnering to deliver quality projects on budget and ahead of schedule."

Indiana is a national leader in leveraging private capital and innovations to deliver transportation infrastructure sooner than expected and at the lowest possible cost to taxpayers. For I-69 Section 5, Indiana leveraged its stellar credit rating to attract low-cost private sector financing using an availability payment form of public-private partnership (P3).

Availability payment P3s transfer cost, schedule and quality risks away from taxpayers during such time that the private sector is responsible for construction, operations and maintenance. If the road isn't made "available" to the public in compliance with performance standards in the contract, the recurring, inflation-adjusted payments are reduced accordingly.

About the Interstate 69 Project

The new Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis is a key component to the future economic vitality of southwestern Indiana, and will connect an entire region with improved access to jobs, education and healthcare. The 142-mile I-69 corridor was divided into six independent sections in the Tier 1 Final Environmental Impact Statement, which was approved with a Record of Decision in March 2004.

The first three sections opened for business in November 2012 - under budget and years ahead of schedule - and save motorists more than 30 minutes travel time in the 67 miles between Evansville and Crane. Construction is underway on all 27 miles of I-69 Section 4 between Crane and Bloomington, which is expected to open to traffic in phases during late 2014 and early 2015.

More information about the I-69 Evansville to Indianapolis project may be found at www.i69indyevn.org.

Competitive Proposal Process

Over the past four weeks, separate technical and financial review teams of IFA and Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) staff evaluated and scored the final proposals submitted by four short-listed contracting teams. The proposals from all four teams were responsive based upon pass-fail criteria in the Request for Proposals (RFP). The criteria that the IFA and INDOT used to evaluate the final Technical and Financial Proposals is listed in the final RFP published at www.in.gov/ifa/2779.htm.

Next week the IFA will publish more information on its website explaining the preliminary selection, including portions of the preferred proposal. The documents will also be available for public review at IFA offices, One North Capitol Street, Suite 900, Indianapolis, IN 46204. The IFA Board will hold another meeting in early March, to make a final determination on the selected proposer, which is subject to Indiana Budget Committee review before a final decision is issued by the Governor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on February 19, 2014, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: thefro on February 16, 2014, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: US 41 on February 16, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
What is the Tapp Road / SR 45 interchange in Bloomington going to be like. A or B?

A) http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=dEpaRxBurp

B) http://www.scribblemaps.com/create/#id=G0kWWzEut2

B... it's going to be a split diamond.  I believe that's required to meet Interstate standards due to the two exits (Tapp Road & 2nd Street/SR 45) being less than a mile apart.

I hate split diamonds.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 23, 2014, 10:00:14 AM
The Indiana Finance Authority has posted the technical documents from I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Infrastructure Netherlands B.V bid.
http://www.in.gov/ifa/2779.htm (at the bottom of this page)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXs15wwf.png&hash=c3697146e33f9bae64dc1aa780a4584db3e5df25)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fwu5AIEM.png&hash=ad3a5363b5f3dfc2c6f505375fb3e85443fe396a)
(from page 31 of this PDF (http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/I-69_DP_Technical_Proposal_Volume_2_-_REDACTED_(1).pdf))

You can find an extremely detailed schedule starting here (http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/I-69_DP_Technical_Proposal_Volume_2_Appendices.pdf) (page 56)

They are going to go ahead and make the road 6 lanes from SR 37 to Sample Road now since it'll allow them to speed up construction and keep the normal traffic flow while they're working on the road.

Full scale construction will start in Bloomington in August of this year.  Note that all 4 new interchanges are expected to open in 2015 (Fullerton Pike & Tapp Road will for sure) and everything needed to allow for free-following traffic in Bloomington will be complete by the end of 2015.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on February 23, 2014, 04:00:07 PM
Has INDOT given any hints on the timeline for starting the process for construction of section 6? I assume that also will be a PPP project. The most expensive part will be the new interchange at I-465 and the mile or two of the new route going south from there. I hope at least that will be done in the relatively near future.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 27, 2014, 07:02:09 PM
I've been taking a look at the drawings from the winner of the bid to construct Section 5, so I take it the split-diamond interchange is gone with Tapp and SR 45. I actually do like a lot of what I see and see that there will be some aesthetic enhancements done to the highway that will incorporate the local limestone. I really do wish Indiana would do more of that to enhance the beauty of the highway. I know some folks in Bloomington aren't thrilled with the highway, but at least it may look really nice when it's all said in done, perhaps nicer than many of the six-lane highways around Indy.

Anyway, I've seen some of the signage plans that the group posted for this stretch of interstate. They show Bloomington as the SB control city and Indy as the NB control, even when the highway is on the west side of B-Town. I'm really hoping that changes to Evansville for south and Indy for north. But beyond that, it's typical signage for INDOT. I've gone ahead and posted what I think will be the exit numbers along the way. The signage plans don't have the correct numbers, I believe they refer to the SR 37 mile markers and not I-69, but since US 231 is Exit 87 then there should be no way that Fullerton Pike is Exit 97. Since the SR 37 interchange with I-69 is supposed to be Exit 114, I'll base my following list off of that. This is based on an assumption that the Fullerton Pike exit is one mile north of that, the distance is close. Mind you, this list is merely academic:

-Exit 114: SR 37 south (Bedford)
-Exit 115: Fullerton Pike
-Exit 116: Tapp Road
-Exit 117: SR 45/2nd Street (oddly, does not include the name Bloomfield Road, which is the actual name of the road at this point)
-Exit 118: SR 48/3rd Street
-Exit 120: SR 46 (signage seems the same, they may just add exit tabs for these)
-Exit 124: Walnut Street/College Avenue (southbound only)
-Exit 126: Sample Road
-Exit 134: Liberty Church Road

And it probably won't be signed yet, but if SR 39 exit stays eventually that may be likely Exit 136, but these are all complete guesses.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 27, 2014, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 27, 2014, 07:02:09 PM
I've been taking a look at the drawings from the winner of the bid to construct Section 5, so I take it the split-diamond interchange is gone with Tapp and SR 45. I actually do like a lot of what I see and see that there will be some aesthetic enhancements done to the highway that will incorporate the local limestone. I really do wish Indiana would do more of that to enhance the beauty of the highway. I know some folks in Bloomington aren't thrilled with the highway, but at least it may look really nice when it's all said in done, perhaps nicer than many of the six-lane highways around Indy.

Anyway, I've seen some of the signage plans that the group posted for this stretch of interstate. They show Bloomington as the SB control city and Indy as the NB control, even when the highway is on the west side of B-Town. I'm really hoping that changes to Evansville for south and Indy for north. But beyond that, it's typical signage for INDOT. I've gone ahead and posted what I think will be the exit numbers along the way. The signage plans don't have the correct numbers, I believe they refer to the SR 37 mile markers and not I-69, but since US 231 is Exit 87 then there should be no way that Fullerton Pike is Exit 97. Since the SR 37 interchange with I-69 is supposed to be Exit 114, I'll base my following list off of that. This is based on an assumption that the Fullerton Pike exit is one mile north of that, the distance is close. Mind you, this list is merely academic:

-Exit 114: SR 37 south (Bedford)
-Exit 115: Fullerton Pike
-Exit 116: Tapp Road
-Exit 117: SR 45/2nd Street (oddly, does not include the name Bloomfield Road, which is the actual name of the road at this point)
-Exit 118: SR 48/3rd Street
-Exit 120: SR 46 (signage seems the same, they may just add exit tabs for these)
-Exit 124: Walnut Street/College Avenue (southbound only)
-Exit 126: Sample Road
-Exit 134: Liberty Church Road

And it probably won't be signed yet, but if SR 39 exit stays eventually that may be likely Exit 136, but these are all complete guesses.

are there plans to not have a sr 39 interchange? 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 27, 2014, 08:14:59 PM
I've always assumed that it's staying, but Section 6 hasn't been set into stone yet by INDOT.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on February 27, 2014, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 27, 2014, 07:59:42 PM

are there plans to not have a sr 39 interchange?

More guessing, but the existing sr39 interchange isn't likely to meet with any current design standards.  I'm sure there will be an exchange linking to sr39 though I'd not be suprised if it moves up or down the highway a bit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 27, 2014, 08:40:11 PM
The SR 39 interchange is listed as part of Section 6, so it's outside the scope of this construction.  It wasn't included in the final ROD/FEIS for Section 5.

They still have to do the Tier II study for Section 6 and then go through that process.

INDOT's study website says (http://www.i69indyevn.org/):
QuoteOnce the construction on Section 5 is well underway, INDOT will advance the environmental studies in section 6.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 04, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
The Indiana Daily Student (Indiana University student newspaper) reports on the last stand of the NIMBYS/CARR people at the meeting for public comment on the I-69 Development Partners bid

http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=96983
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ShawnP on March 04, 2014, 12:01:53 PM
Distressing article as they list the project as being only 12 feet long.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 04, 2014, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on March 04, 2014, 12:01:53 PM
Distressing article as they list the project as being only 12 feet long.

Hahaha wow!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 04, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 04, 2014, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on March 04, 2014, 12:01:53 PM
Distressing article as they list the project as being only 12 feet long.

Hahaha wow!

Students have called it the "Indiana Daily Stupid" for 40+ years,  even though IU has an outstanding journalism school.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on March 04, 2014, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: thefro on March 04, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 04, 2014, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on March 04, 2014, 12:01:53 PM
Distressing article as they list the project as being only 12 feet long.

Hahaha wow!

Students have called it the "Indiana Daily Stupid" for 40+ years,  even though IU has an outstanding journalism school.

One could say the two are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 06, 2014, 06:51:42 AM
The Indiana Finance Authority has given its final approval to I-69 Development Partners winning the bid for Section 5.  It goes to the Indiana Budget Committee and then Governor Pence for final approval after that.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/finance-authority-approves-i--development-partners/article_e2753052-ba7e-53a3-bdf4-84bf1a99712c.html

The Indiana Budget Committee (http://www.in.gov/sba/files/bc_agenda_20140311.pdf) will meet on March 11th at 8:30 and has I-69 Section 5 on their agenda.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on March 06, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
I heard Martinsville doesn't want the interstate. Is that true. I believe it since a lot of their businesses are kind of built on SR 37 (on frontage roads, but there are several stoplights on 37 in Martinsville).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 06, 2014, 06:34:04 PM
I think (just my own opinion however) that they are simply unsure of the interstate's impact on their town since it hasn't been set into stone what will happen with I-69 through there. Since it hasn't even been approved where exits will go the town can't really prepare itself about how to access those businesses through town. I wonder if they should just pull a Kokomo and bypass I-69 around the city to the southeast of the current SR 37 route with tie-ins at each end and perhaps an exit with 252 and 44 (or both together.) They could make the current SR 37 Business I-69 (won't happen of course.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 06, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 06, 2014, 06:34:04 PM
I think (just my own opinion however) that they are simply unsure of the interstate's impact on their town since it hasn't been set into stone what will happen with I-69 through there. Since it hasn't even been approved where exits will go the town can't really prepare itself about how to access those businesses through town. I wonder if they should just pull a Kokomo and bypass I-69 around the city to the southeast of the current SR 37 route with tie-ins at each end and perhaps an exit with 252 and 44 (or both together.) They could make the current SR 37 Business I-69 (won't happen of course.)

They'd call it 37 before they'd pick business 69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on March 06, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: US 41 on March 06, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
I heard Martinsville doesn't want the interstate. Is that true. I believe it since a lot of their businesses are kind of built on SR 37 (on frontage roads, but there are several stoplights on 37 in Martinsville).

I don't know much of the discussion in Martinsville, but my experience with the "Bloomington doesn't want I-69" might also apply here.  There were/are many in Bloomington who have always wanted I-69, but are intimidated by the vocal anti-69 groups.

That being said, I'm sure Martinsville has some major concerns about loosing the existing SR-37 to an I-69 upgrades.  The frontage roads you mention are far too inadequate to support the loss of the existing road.  Not to say the recent build-up has wisely factored in the possibility of said upgrade.

I would expect a couple of miles of new terrain "bypass" with 37 remaining as a Business-37 and that's probably what the businesses are pushing for.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 06, 2014, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: andy on March 06, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: US 41 on March 06, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
I heard Martinsville doesn't want the interstate. Is that true. I believe it since a lot of their businesses are kind of built on SR 37 (on frontage roads, but there are several stoplights on 37 in Martinsville).

I don't know much of the discussion in Martinsville, but my experience with the "Bloomington doesn't want I-69" might also apply here.  There were/are many in Bloomington who have always wanted I-69, but are intimidated by the vocal anti-69 groups.

That being said, I'm sure Martinsville has some major concerns about loosing the existing SR-37 to an I-69 upgrades.  The frontage roads you mention are far too inadequate to support the loss of the existing road.  Not to say the recent build-up has wisely factored in the possibility of said upgrade.

I would expect a couple of miles of new terrain "bypass" with 37 remaining as a Business-37 and that's probably what the businesses are pushing for.

The anti69 groups lost, the pro69 people shouldn't be afraid to speak up now
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 15, 2014, 06:28:55 PM
Indiana State Budget Committee & Governor Pence have approved I-69 Section 5.  Just a matter of negotiating the final contract terms now.

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=73850

QuoteThe State Budget Committee has reviewed and Gov. Mike Pence has approved the selection of I-69 Development Partners to design, build, finance, operate and maintain Section 5 of Interstate 69.
However, a few more things still need to happen before the upgrade of the 21-mile stretch of Ind. 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville to interstate standards can begin.

The Indiana Department of Transportation along with the Indiana Finance Authority now will negotiate the final terms of the contract with I-69 Development Partners, said Will Wingfield, INDOT spokesman. He said those negotiations should wrap up some time in April.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on March 30, 2014, 09:51:40 PM
Gov. Pence is poised to sign the public-private partnership deal to continue work on the Bllomington-Marinsville section of I-69: Public-private plan for I-69 work proves divisive (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/30/critics-say-deal-on-i-69-section-will-cost-more/)
QuoteGov. Mike Pence is getting ready to sign onto a deal with a Dutch-led contractor to construct and maintain the section between Bloomington and Martinsville, the Evansville Courier & Press (http://bit.ly/1dFCcM6 ) reported Saturday. Under terms of that contract, the state would make an $80 million "down payment"  to the private partner, which would pay the $325 million estimated for construction. Once that section of highway is complete, the state starts paying the partner $21.8 million a year for 35 years and the company maintains the highway.

If the private developer doesn't keep the road open to traffic and up to Indiana Department of Transportation standards, the state could reduce the annual payment.

Meanwhile, folks in Bllomington are true to form:
Quote"It's a quick easy fix for government that can't afford to build and maintain the roads that people want. By at least getting it out there, the question is, is that fair to the next generation? We have pushed off the burden to future generations, years beyond what we would be normally paying,"  said Rep. Matt Pierce, D-Bloomington.

AASHTO sees this type of financing as the future of road contruction:
Quote
Jim Tymon, with the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, compared the long-term deal with buying a house.

"You have to finance and mortgage it over a number of years. I think that's what you are starting to see with transportation projects as well. States don't have the cash on hand to pay for a big project up front, so, therefore, they are looking to finance it,"  he told the newspaper.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on April 13, 2014, 02:53:39 PM
Drove 69 to Evansville a month ago from Washington and noticed four or five of the BG exit signs were apparently blown down in Gibson County. Yesterday, I saw they were still laying in the grass. One is even still in the median.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on April 13, 2014, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on April 13, 2014, 02:53:39 PM
Drove 69 to Evansville a month ago from Washington and noticed four or five of the BG exit signs were apparently blown down in Gibson County. Yesterday, I saw they were still laying in the grass. One is even still in the median.

IIRC, some of them have been down for quite a while.  Given the rough winter we had, I'm willing to give INDOT the benefit of the doubt. They'll get 'em put back up.  It was the same issue with the S.R. 162 1-mile BGS on southbound U.S. 231 between Dale and Lincoln City, and I noticed they've gotten it taken care of now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on April 13, 2014, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on April 13, 2014, 03:44:13 PM
IIRC, some of them have been down for quite a while.  Given the rough winter we had, I'm willing to give INDOT the benefit of the doubt. They'll get 'em put back up.  It was the same issue with the S.R. 162 1-mile BGS on southbound U.S. 231 between Dale and Lincoln City, and I noticed they've gotten it taken care of now.

Indeed. It's been a horrible winter and spring hasn't been much better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on April 13, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
There were a handful down on the US31 Kokomo bypass this weekend too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 13, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
I'm noticing a trend here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on April 14, 2014, 10:26:54 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 13, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
I'm noticing a trend here.

Yep.  There's a bunch down across Indiana after this winter.  I-65 has several as well, especially north of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 14, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
I noticed that Section 5 will include an upgrade to 21 miles of IN 37, but what about the one that will bring I-69 back to Indianapolis? Looking at maps of the proposed route, I see where it splits away from IN 37 before joining I-465 on the south side. And I'm assuming that it will use the eastern half of the beltway to connect with the already-existing I-69 to Fort Wayne, Lansing and Canada?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 14, 2014, 03:45:39 PM
Yes it will. 



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Will that short section be sr 37 when 69 splits away?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 15, 2014, 07:04:23 AM
http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?fromdate=1/1/2014&todate=12/31/2014&display=Year,Month&type=public&eventidn=167372&view=EventDetails&information_id=199542

The contract for I-69 Section 5 has been finalized.

QuoteNDIANAPOLIS (April 14, 2014) - The Indiana Finance Authority and Indiana Department of Transportation have finalized the contract with I-69 Development Partners to design, build, finance, operate and maintain I-69 Section 5. The project involves rehabbing and upgrading 21 miles of the existing, four-lane State Road 37 to interstate standards between Bloomington and Martinsville.

The private activity bonds that will finance the project are expected to be issued by I-69 Development Partners in late June. The state's payment structure makes rising construction costs and the risk of operations and maintenance the responsibility of the private developer, and requires the developer to meet performance standards for quality, schedule and maintenance to avoid reductions in recurring payments.

Two payments to the private developer for I-69, Section 5 are tied to completion of safety improvements in Bloomington, such as interchanges at Fullerton Pike and Tapp Road, and overpasses at Vernal Pike and Rockport Road.

Construction Preparations
INDOT contractors completed tree cutting on March 31 within the land available so far for I-69 Section 5 in the Bloomington area. Utility relocations will continue until construction begins later this year.  Crews will continue to mulch and haul off trees that were previously cut, and clear underbrush.

This spring and summer utility crews will begin installing new lines where existing service conflicts with the new I-69 footprint. Utility companies hire their own crews to perform this specialized work. Citizens with any questions or concerns about the work should contact the utility company directly.

The 21 new miles of interstate are scheduled to open by the end of 2016, several years ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 15, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
This isn't exactly pertaining to this board but it does involve 69. Are the sr 37/116th st interchanges complete?  if not any idea on when they will be done?

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 15, 2014, 05:43:57 PM
The interchange is complete, all that needs to be finished is the auxiliary lanes between the exits on southbound I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 15, 2014, 05:47:55 PM
Cool that was a well needed fix.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on April 16, 2014, 12:17:24 AM
I drove south of Washington today, and I'm not trying be too critical, but it looks like they are already rebuilding the expansion joints on both of the White River bridges. Both are closed to one lane.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on April 16, 2014, 01:43:16 AM
Can someone refresh my memory on what section 5 covers?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 16, 2014, 07:08:05 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on April 16, 2014, 01:43:16 AM
Can someone refresh my memory on what section 5 covers?

It upgrades current Indiana State Road 37 to Interstate standards from just south of Bloomington, IN (where the new terrain I-69 meets SR 37) and ends just south of Martinsville, IN, before the State Road 39 interchange there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on April 17, 2014, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: andy on April 16, 2014, 12:17:24 AM
I drove south of Washington today, and I'm not trying be too critical, but it looks like they are already rebuilding the expansion joints on both of the White River bridges. Both are closed to one lane.

I'd love to say it's probably a result of the harsh winter ... and quite honestly, I won't be surprised if that's the official line ... but my gut feeling is that this is the sort of end result we'll see more and more of from ex-Gov. Daniels' cost-cutting to get it done.

Yes, it got "done," but at what price???
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 17, 2014, 04:52:17 PM
69 seems to be suffering from a lot of shoddy work. Didn't part of one of the bridges over the patoka river sink a few inches a while back?

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 17, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
I thought these were in the areas built over old coal mines so they predicted settling and used HMA pavement.

US 31 near Lakeville and LaPaz was built over peat bogs so they built it over years. Likewise, US 31 between CR 200N and Touby Pike in Kokomo had bogs that required a lot of work (and time) to remediate. With the aggressive I-69 timeline, there was not as much time to look for every old unmapped coal mine, but I remember they dug out a ton of muck along the route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on April 17, 2014, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: mukade on April 17, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
I thought these were in the areas built over old coal mines so they predicted settling and used HMA pavement.

Agreed.  Several sections were built with asphalt specifically because remediation was reasonably expected.

That being said, I am a firm believer that "perfect" can be the enemy of "good enough".  We've waited 30 years for this road. I don't know that hurrying the job knowing it will need patching is worse than taking a long time getting the dirt packed perfectly.  There was a significant effort to pack this dirt, but in some ways, time and the truck traffic might be the best tool available.

Then again, not much excuse on bridge joints which should have been done right the first time.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on April 17, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
Can we presume that the contractor bears some burden for the repairs? I wouldn't buy a microwave oven without some kind of guarantee. I hope the state has the same policy for its freeways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on April 18, 2014, 07:25:01 AM
Quote from: theline on April 17, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
Can we presume that the contractor bears some burden for the repairs? I wouldn't buy a microwave oven without some kind of guarantee. I hope the state has the same policy for its freeways.

I don't know.  To be clear, I only know what I saw driving by.

Although it reminds me that public/private partnerships (section 5) may have good and bad points,  but they do provide an incentive to get it right the first time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 18, 2014, 09:04:20 AM
Quote from: theline on April 17, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
Can we presume that the contractor bears some burden for the repairs? I wouldn't buy a microwave oven without some kind of guarantee. I hope the state has the same policy for its freeways.

I think it would depend on how the contract was structured and if they're on a different timetable than other parts of the road.

I know when the I-69 pavement sank last year the contractor was liable for fixing it since INDOT hadn't performed their final inspection on the work yet (the road opening in late 2012 wasn't the end of construction).  I would presume they would have wrapped most of that stuff up by now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 25, 2014, 06:55:09 AM
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/18731fbb96894d2c8b976e00acf5bd1a/IN--I-69-Clearing-The-Way

QuoteBLOOMINGTON, Indiana – Interstate 69 was a rumor when Dan Rea and his wife, Gail, bought their house on Bloomington's west side about 18 years ago.

Now it's here, and the couple has a clear view of the changes being made to bring Ind. 37 up to interstate standards.

Indiana Department of Transportation contractors cleared trees and underbrush along Ind. 37 earlier this year to make way for those upgrades. As a result, homes that were once hidden by vegetation now can be seen clearly from the highway.

The majority of Bloomington's residents only see the changes when they drive on Ind. 37. The Reas, however, see them every time they look at the backyard of their South Yonkers Street home. Dan Rea said his house is 100 feet from the highway, and the vegetation that created a natural barrier between the two isn't there anymore. He's taking the change in stride, though.

"It is a loss of privacy, but the cars go by so fast, we've tested it, and you can't really see much," he told The Herald-Times (http://bit.ly/1fa5YsK ). "It's not a huge deal."

Rea isn't too upset by the tree removal. He's kept up with the I-69 project and knew it was coming. He also doesn't think his view will be unobstructed forever.

"Once the sound wall is up, our privacy will be back," he said.

INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield said the tentative plan is to build a sound barrier in some areas around Bloomington. He said a survey was sent out to certain residents asking if they would be in favor of such a structure.

Rea and Danny McGinn, who lives in Woodhaven Estates addition between Leonard Springs Road and Ind. 37, both said they received that survey and responded in favor of the barrier. They weren't the only ones.

"I received notice that the majority of the people answered yes, and they were going to build a sound barrier," McGinn said.

Building a barrier costs about $2 million per linear mile, Wingfield said. However, he said the barriers are only effective for the first row of houses, because sound moves in a pressure wave that curves around objects.

If sound walls are constructed in Monroe County, they will be the first such structures built along the I-69 extension, Wingfield said.

In the meantime, homeowners along the route will have to deal with the effects of the tree clearing. For McGinn, that means trying to sell a house with a backyard that can be seen from the highway. The interstate isn't why he's selling the home, though.

"It's not because of I-69," he said. "I have Stage 4 kidney disease. I want to move to Florida to be closer to my son."

McGinn said he can't say whether the interstate will make it harder to sell his house. On the one hand, certain things will be negatively affected, like the view from the sunroom that was built on the back of his home.

"Now, you'll look out and see a 16-foot concrete wall," he said, referring to the proposed sound barrier. "That wasn't the purpose."

Terry Phelps, who lives up the street from McGinn, is not optimistic about how the interstate will affect the neighborhood.

"I think it will cause all the property values to go down," he said.

Phelps said he and his wife have lived in their home along Woodhaven Drive for 19 years. About three years ago, he found out the stretch of Ind. 37 behind his house would be converted to I-69. He wasn't crazy about the plan, but moving didn't seem like a good option at the time.

"What was the economy like three or four years ago?" he said. "Banks were taking over houses. It was not a good time to try to sell, so we didn't pursue it."

He's still not sure if he'll try to move to get away from the interstate.

"We're still weighing that out," he said. "I've got about five years to go, and my house will be paid for. I'm right between a rock and a hard spot."

Wingfield couldn't say what effect, if any, I-69 will have on property values in the Bloomington area.

"It's not a regular occurrence that a state highway is converted to an interstate," he said. "Other examples would be pretty recent. The long-term impact on property values has not been seen yet."

Unfortunately, since the trees and underbrush were removed from the right of way, there won't be any compensation for homeowners who are affected. In addition, there was no direct notification for homeowners along the route.

"I don't think we got a notice about the tree removal other than what we read in the paper," Rea said.

INDOT didn't keep the tree removal secret; it distributed press news to various media outlets and posted information on Facebook and Twitter.

"We put information out on a number of different channels," Wingfield said. "We try to reach people in different ways."

Rea said he feels INDOT has a responsibility to disseminate information about what it's doing, but citizens also have a responsibility to keep up with what's going on. He has, and that's why he hasn't been too upset or surprised about what's happening with I-69.

However, there's still some things he's not sure about.

"One of my concerns is that they won't put up a wall," he said. "From everything I've heard, there will be one; I'm just concerned they'll change their mind."

While unlikely, that's a possibility. The plan agreement with I-69 Development Partners to design, build, finance, operate and maintain Section 5 of I-69 calls for a design-build approach. That means I-69 Development Partners will be designing one portion of Section 5 while it's building another.

A preliminary plan exists, but I-69 Development partners can still make changes, which must be approved by INDOT.

"More often than not, it's a tweak to the design, not where something is installed," Wingfield said. "We'll make a decision based on the best information we have available."

As will the people who live along the I-69 route.

A sound barrier seems like a waste of money to me unless it's in very limited locations, since this is converting an existing road with a good amount of traffic to an interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 25, 2014, 01:25:01 PM
There's only three sections planned for sound barriers, between SR 45 and Fullerton Pike I believe. Besides, it seems that it is now INDOT policy to install them when a highway gets widened such as SR 37, becoming a six-lane I-69 around Bloomington. It's a surprise that more sound walls aren't going up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rushmeister on April 26, 2014, 11:21:24 AM
Re: sound walls and the song of the highway

Evidently, sound walls provide a great benefit for people that live very near a busy highway, else we wouldn't be building the walls.  I mention  this because of how much noise I hear from my home, which is situated 1.8 miles from I-65, on flat, somewhat open terrain in a subdivision with a significant portion of Lebanon, Indiana, between me and the highway. I know that if I lived close to an interstate I would definitely want some sort of structure made of earth or masonry or whatever state-of-the-art sound-deflecting/absorbing material is used today, between me and the noise source. 

Regarding my location 1.8 miles from I-65 as it skirts Lebanon, presumably much of the road noise is absorbed by vegetation, the earth, and man-made structures of the city.  However, when I take my dogs for a walk at 5 a.m. I can clearly discern the background rumble of I-65's engines and tires-on-pavement noise.  It is constant and dominates the background noise of the city. It is particularly noticeable when a truck driver applies his compression brakes or when nine of his tires slip over onto the wake-up rumble strips lining the inner and outer lanes.  It is loud and clear.  And it is in my backyard.  I wonder how far out into the countryside the sound actually travels.

Of course, inside my well-constructed and insulated home, I can't hear the song of the highway, but I'll bet there are at least a few hundred fellow "Lebanese" who have it piped right into their bedrooms and living rooms -- the lyrical voice of the jake brake backed up by the constant drone of tires-on-pavement, complete with the spirited and tuneful notes of air horns, all accompanied by the mournful rhythm of rumble strips. 

In general, I guess most folks just get used to it after a while.  The human brain has the uncanny ability of tuning out or minimizing undesirable sensory inputs, e.g., road noises, elevator music, nagging spouses.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on April 26, 2014, 11:27:08 AM
In Terre Haute on the SR 641 Bypass between SR 46 and I-70 I have heard that sound barriers will go up there too. I guess we'll have to wait and see if what I heard is the truth, but there nicer suburbs in that area, so it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 26, 2014, 01:38:52 PM
All states follow the FHWA noise policy to some extent.  Basically there are several allowable ranges for increases in noise level, both the absolute noise level and the change in noise level.  For residential areas these numbers are around 67 dBA or an absolute increase of 15 dBA over the existing noise, after the improvement is in place, measured outdoors at the receptor.  Even if a location meets the threshhold for consideration of a barrier, a "reasonable and feasible" criteria is applied to determine if it is financially and engineering-wise prudent to construct a wall.  Sometimes it is not feasible engineering-wise, such as multiple driveways present which would require openings of the barriers and destroying their effectiveness.  Sometimes it would cost too much to build the barrier for the benefit obtained. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 26, 2014, 07:08:58 PM
^^^ I live very near I-65 on the south side, so I have experience with highway noise. As stated above like others, I have gotten used to the noise. Now it's stranger to NOT hear the highway noise (such as during heavy snowfalls or construction.) Speaking of which, I have heard construction vehicles a few months ago on the project, but I'm pretty much used to anything that highway throws at me. I am very curious to see what impacts the new sound barriers will have. I am surprised to see that the Lebanon stretch of I-65 didn't get any new walls (or maybe they haven't been installed yet.)

As for I-69 (since that is the thread,) I'm certain that this won't be the last we hear about such walls. Whatever routing the highway takes around Martinsville ought to allow for some sound walls through that city and the segment of Section 6 around the Center Grove and Perry Township areas mean we could see sound walls for the last few miles of highway leading up to I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 18, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
The Bloomington Herald Times has posted a gallery of new construction images of Section 4 here. (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/i--construction/collection_b35ec78c-dd36-11e3-8638-001a4bcf6878.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: billtm on May 18, 2014, 11:44:19 AM
Is the Bloomington to Indy section of I-69 a high priority corridor? Also, what is the current estimated completion time for that corridor?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on May 18, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
It's all Corridor 18.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JimBob on June 20, 2014, 02:05:10 PM
Section 4 is to be opened by late 2014 through mid-2015.

As the contracts are completed on this section, what is the strategy for opening partial sections?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on June 20, 2014, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: JimBob on June 20, 2014, 02:05:10 PM
Section 4 is to be opened by late 2014 through mid-2015.

As the contracts are completed on this section, what is the strategy for opening partial sections?


I think it would make the most sense to start at the the point where the highway currently ends and work its way up to the next temporary end.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on June 20, 2014, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 20, 2014, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: JimBob on June 20, 2014, 02:05:10 PM
Section 4 is to be opened by late 2014 through mid-2015.

As the contracts are completed on this section, what is the strategy for opening partial sections?


I think it would make the most sense to start at the the point where the highway currently ends and work its way up to the next temporary end.

It may not be that simple.  The last contract awarded was section 2 which is between the existing end and the next exchange at SR45.  Further, the issues with that seemed to be in timing and the first discussions of sometime in 2015 began when that contract was finally awarded.

Somewhere (I can't say where), I got the impression the sections from the SR45 south exchange to SR37 could be done earlier and might open before the sections 1,2 and 3 are done.  This would leave a still broken roadway, but a couple of thousand employees at NAVSEA Crane, would appreciate it. And the SR45 to SR58 hop around the unfinished section is relatively straight and convenient.

In the last few weeks, I was able to drive part of the construction.  Many of the bridge beams are in place, but more still need to be placed and there is a lot of dirt still to be moved.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on June 27, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
This June 26 Warrick County Chamber of Commerce press release (http://www.tristate-media.com/warrick/community/community_news/article_663250c4-fc7f-11e3-b435-001a4bcf887a.html), primarily making the case for the I-69 Ohio River bridge, states that the I-164-to-I-69 conversion will be complete by the end of the year:

Quote
If you drive on I-164 you will soon see the signs changing to I-69. The transition from I-164 to I-69 will be complete by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 07, 2014, 07:16:02 AM
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20140707/LOCAL06/140709586/-1/LOCAL11

QuoteIndiana plans to issue $250 million in bonds to help pay for construction of the latest segment of Interstate 69.

The Evansville Courier & Press reports the developer chosen to build the stretch of highway from Bloomington to Martinsville will repay the tax-exempt bonds.

The bond documents estimate the total cost of the project at $370 million, with the state paying $80 million up front and making annual payments to I-69 Development Partners to maintain the highway for 35 years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on July 09, 2014, 10:23:30 PM
Article from the Evansville Courier regarding Blue Ribbon Panel on Transportation prioritizing Ohio River Bridge.


Plans for an Interstate 69 bridge linking Indiana and Kentucky received a boost of recognition from the state on Wednesday.

The project was scored among the highest for future transportation projects by the Blue Ribbon Panel on Transportation Infrastructure, whose membership includes Evansville Mayor Lloyd Winnecke.

Gov. Mike Pence accepted the recommendations from the report, but though it lists the I-69 bridge as a key state project, no funding is provided for the project by its inclusion in the report.

Winnecke, who was in Indianapolis for the report's release, said he's working to dispel a cost estimate of $1.4 billion for the project. He said the actual cost for the bridge over the Ohio River likely will range between $700 million and $800 million.

Winnecke said he's asked Pence to provide funding for an environmental impact study for the bridge, which is a required step to determine the route.

Winnecke said he was pleasantly surprised to see how the bridge rated in the report by the Blue Ribbon Panel on Transportation Infrastructure and how other members of the commission saw its importance. The bridge is included as one of four "Tier 1"  projects, which rated as the most significant to the state.

"One of the beauties of the commission is that people really took time to research and read data that were presented in the project,"  Winnecke said. "In our minds in Southwest Indiana, (the bridge) is a completion of I-69."

A second Southwestern Indiana project included in the report was the Southwestern Indiana Port Connections, which would improve access to the Port of Indiana at Mount Vernon. The project, estimated to cost $620 million, would construct a connector between I-69 and the port.

"The panel's work has recognized several opportunities for the state to build on, and I hope that many of these ideas will encourage a broader conversation on the future of transportation infrastructure in this state,"  Pence said in a statement on the report.

Winnecke said Pence indicated he would direct state agencies to begin assessing the panel's work product.

Building the I-69 bridge will be a joint venture between Kentucky and Indiana.

Kentucky officials have already done work to study a potential location for the bridge and hope is for construction to begin by 2020.

In October, Winnecke and Henderson (Kentucky) Mayor Steve Austin launched BridgeLink, an organization focused on building the bridge over the Ohio River.

The panel's report, presented by Lt. Gov. Sue Ellspermann who serves as its co-chair, also recommended the state index its gas tax to increase with inflation, build a new bypass around Indianapolis and consider user fees to supplement highway funding.

The group – appointed by Gov. Mike Pence – detailed a funding crisis facing the state: Revenue from the state's gas taxes are falling as cars become more fuel efficient but the cost of building roads is increasing.

Still, the funding issues didn't stop the panel from proposing new highway projects. In addition to the I-69 bridge and Mount Vernon project, it said the state needs to add lanes on Interstates 65 and 70 and improve its rail and port infrastructure.

And the group said the so-called Commerce Connector in Central Indiana is "a high priority, critical project because of its ability to facilitate the movement of freight and passenger traffic into and around Indianapolis,"  particularly at bottleneck locations including the intersection of I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side.

While the report did not recommend specific funding for specific projects, it noted that the state's current funding method isn't working.

Much of the state's transportation funding comes from an 18-cent per gallon tax on gasoline. But revenue from that tax has been decreasing, even though Hoosiers are traveling roughly the same number of vehicle miles. That's because as cars get more fuel efficient, drivers use less gas to go the same distance.

At the same time, the cost of building roads is increasing, the panel said. Indexing the tax means it would go up as inflation rises, which could generate more money for state highway construction.

The report also said the state should consider user fees. It said that could include a fee on alternative fuel vehicles – which generate even less revenue through the state's gas tax.

The group also proposed that the state:

- Increase the length of semitrailers permitted on highways from 53 feet to 57 feet to increase payload per truck.

- Mandate trailers have three axles instead of two to reduce the weight per axle by approximately 50 percent and reduce road damage.

- Designate high-occupancy lanes to encourage more passengers per vehicle.

- Revise state law to allow for driverless vehicles.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 09, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Ugh will they please kill the commerce connector crap! If they want to get traffic flowing better why dont they actually fix what we have rather than building new roads?

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But that is off topic good to see them interested in building the 69 bridge though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on July 10, 2014, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 09, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Ugh will they please kill the commerce connector crap! If they want to get traffic flowing better why dont they actually fix what we have rather than building new roads?

I thought the Accelerate 465 project was what INDOT decided to do instead of building the Commerce Connector. Maybe I'm wrong though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on July 10, 2014, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: US 41 on July 10, 2014, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 09, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Ugh will they please kill the commerce connector crap! If they want to get traffic flowing better why dont they actually fix what we have rather than building new roads?

I thought the Accelerate 465 project was what INDOT decided to do instead of building the Commerce Connector. Maybe I'm wrong though.


Accelerate 465 was the west side work.  They did Operation Indy Commute (north side version) instead of completing the northeast side 465 work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 10, 2014, 07:35:32 PM
I drove down to Crane on July 4 to see how I-69 section 4 construction is going. It certainly looks as if none of it will open in 2014, but a lot has happened since I went down last fall. The SR 37/I-69 interchange south of Bloomington is coming along, but has a long way to go. The only section 5 prep work I saw was tree clearing on the south side of Bloomington.

Below are some pictures I took:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-US231-2014.jpg&hash=a4ee59debed911ea19efefe451cf225feb7395d4)
I-69 at US 231 looking east (not much change at all)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR45-1a.jpg&hash=55f0f7912762ac3d8ff1ec66554d5da1f03f4819)
I-69 at SR 45 looking west

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR45-2.jpg&hash=ac1b95ae50a2d0018609841538ab1ec178f781af)
I-69 at SR 45 looking east

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR54-1.jpg&hash=a8782bbd2bc2726af68b1b48f8d3bfc258993fc6)
SR 54 at I-69 looking north

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR54-2.jpg&hash=52fed4b6244b57db5b4a2b10a46aa856470f8f47)
I-69 at SR 54 looking east

Pictures from last fall are here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg255758#msg255758)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 11, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
A couple of other I-69 notes. There is a "standard" county line sign ("entering Daviess County ; leaving Greene County") sign on I-69 now. Last year, I didn't notice any county signs. One of the BGSes ad been blown down as well. Overall however, the existing new highway looked good.

I was in a hurry  when I took the recent pictures, but there were two others that may be of interest. The best progress I saw was at SR 54 and SR 37. I will try to go down some back roads this fall if I have time.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR54-3.jpg&hash=fc7c6048a22ee41d841776981d0da9e2884c33c5)
I-69 just west of SR 54 looking west - same vantage point as picture with the caption labeled "Construction around SR 54" last fall.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhighwayexplorer.com%2FPhotos%2FTemp%2FI69-SR37-2014-1.jpg&hash=7400b147a676f3187a8d5cd31b0065b9e9465d26)

SR 37 overpass over future I-69 south of Bloomington
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 11, 2014, 06:04:53 PM
There are so many bgs still blown down from the winter. Indot needs to get on the ball and fix them!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 16, 2014, 06:37:19 AM
The battle between INDOT and Monroe County continues...

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/07/15/indot-vs-monroe-county-battle-construction-noise/12675777/

QuoteComplaints of beeping backup warning alarms and roaring heavy equipment at all hours of the night got so bad on the I-69 project that Monroe County officials late last month said enough was enough.

The County Commissioners passed a noise ordinance that members hoped would force state highway crews to keep it down between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.

But that didn't sit well with state highway officials, who are behind schedule on the fourth section of the interstate. The section runs through Greene County to Bloomington – and right next to the homes of some of the loudest opponents of the controversial road project.

On Friday, the Indiana Department of Transportation sued Monroe County, alleging the commissioners do not have legal authority to hinder a state and federal highway project by restricting when work can be done.

Equally important, the suit alleges, the ordinance has thrown a monkey wrench into the I-69 project, which is so behind schedule some crews have been forced to work at night to catch up.

"At least one INDOT contractor has threatened to alter its work schedule and cease work during certain hours in reaction to ... the ordinance,"  reads the complaint filed in Marion Superior Court. "By causing an increase to the time need (sic) to complete the necessary work, the ordinance forces INDOT to devote personnel to the I-69 project in Monroe County for a longer period, and also divert personnel who could be available for other projects."

INDOT is asking for a temporary restraining order to override the ordinance, alleging it violates Indiana's Home Rule Act, which prevents a county from imposing burdens on the agency or regulating matters that fall under INDOT's purview.

A hearing is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. Wednesday in Marion Superior Civil Court 10.

INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield said $100 million in contracts have been bid to complete Section 4, which would connect the already-built sections from Evansville to Ind. 37 in Bloomington.

Wingfield said contractors already have had to meet noise limits set under the terms of their contracts.

He said the delays caused by the ordinance have so hampered crews, it's impossible to say when the new stretches of road might be open to traffic.

"Certainly, we won't be able to put out an updated estimate until this matter is resolved,"  Wingfield said.

Under the ordinance, violators can be fined up to $2,500 for a first offense or up to $7,500 for additional violations.

Monroe County officials couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Longtime I-69 opponent Thomas Tokarski can see the construction from his property. He said he and others made frequent calls to the sheriff to complain about the nighttime noise.

Tokarski, who has helped file legal challenges to stop the I-69 project over the years, said he sees the request for a restraining order as another example of INDOT bullying him and his neighbors.

"It's simply not acceptable,"  he said. "It's a complete lack of consideration for the lives of people who live out here. You would not believe the noise that goes on at night. All night long when they're working like that. You cannot sleep."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on July 16, 2014, 07:49:07 AM
I hope when the road is done, everyone "forgets" to stop and spend any money in Bloomington. Do be sure to slow down a bit and "wave" at Mr. Tokarski. What you wave is completely up to you.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 16, 2014, 08:01:34 AM
A friend of mine joked that indot shouldn't put an exit within 10 miles of bloomington
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on July 16, 2014, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on July 16, 2014, 07:49:07 AM
I hope when the road is done, everyone "forgets" to stop and spend any money in Bloomington. Do be sure to slow down a bit and "wave" at Mr. Tokarski. What you wave is completely up to you.

I take it the "wave" might just include a single-finger salute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on July 16, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 16, 2014, 08:01:34 AM
A friend of mine joked that indot shouldn't put an exit within 10 miles of bloomington
Sure, that'll teach them! LOL
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 22, 2014, 03:34:18 PM
The judge ruled against Monroe County (http://www.wthr.com/story/26077863/2014/07/22/judge-blocks-ordinance-aimed-at-i-69-work-noise) so the noise ordinance is stayed for this project and the crews can work at night without being worried about being fined for having backup alarms on their equipment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on July 22, 2014, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: thefro on July 22, 2014, 03:34:18 PM
The judge ruled against Monroe County (http://www.wthr.com/story/26077863/2014/07/22/judge-blocks-ordinance-aimed-at-i-69-work-noise) so the noise ordinance is stayed for this project and the crews can work at night without being worried about being fined for having backup alarms on their equipment.

This deserves a Nelson...

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 25, 2014, 12:17:52 PM
Financial close reached on Section 5
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=66272

QuoteINDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - The Indiana Finance Authority and I-69 Development Partners have completed the sale of tax-exempt, private-activity bonds and reached financial close on I-69 Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville.

Earlier this month, the IFA sold nearly $244 million in private-activity bonds on behalf of the private developer, which will then repay the bond holders directly. I-69 Development Partners is investing more than $40 million of its own funds and is responsible for all construction costs and the risks associated longer term with the operations and maintenance of I-69 Section 5.

"We encouraged the proposers to approach the design, construction, finance, operation and maintenance of I-69 Section 5 in a way that maximizes the value to the taxpayers while still delivering a quality product," said Indiana Public Finance Director Kendra York. "Competition resulted in a proposal from I-69 Development Partners that met all project objectives while providing the state and the taxpayers with an extremely competitive bid."

The state's payment structure requires the developer to meet performance standards for quality, maintenance and on-schedule completion of safety improvements in Bloomington, such as interchanges at Fullerton Pike and Tapp Road, and overpasses at Vernal Pike and Rockport Road.

About Interstate 69

The new I-69 between Evansville and Indianapolis is a key component to the future economic vitality of southwestern Indiana, and will connect an entire region with improved access to jobs, education and healthcare.

The 142-mile I-69 corridor is divided into six sections. The first three sections opened for business in November 2012, saving motorists more than 30 minutes of travel time between Evansville and Crane. Construction is underway on all 27 miles of I-69 Section 4 between Crane and Bloomington.

I-69 Section 5 involves rehabbing and upgrading 21 miles of the existing, four-lane State Road 37 to interstate standards. I-69 Development Partners expects to begin construction in the Bloomington area this fall and open the 21 new miles of interstate by the end of 2016.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 25, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Is there any recent news on Section 6, the final missing link of I-69 between Martinsville and I-465?  What is its current status beyond the fact that its environmental document is not yet approved (to my knowledge)?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 28, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
http://wishtv.com/2014/07/27/leg-of-i-69-project-now-due-to-open-by-end-of-2015/

Section 4 projected opening delayed to the end of 2015 due to bad weather interfering with construction.

QuoteThe Indiana Department of Transportation now plans for Interstate 69 to reach Bloomington by the end of 2015, a year later than originally planned, a spokesman said.

Construction crews have been delayed by wet summers this year and in 2013 and by cold, inclement winters, INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield told the Evansville Courier & Press for a story Sunday.

The state factors inclement weather into construction contracts, but on average, contracts for the 27-mile fourth section segment from Crane to Bloomington experienced 50 more bad weather days in 2013 and 20 more days so far this year, Wingfield said.

"The time-consuming activity for I-69 Section 4 is moving and compacting about 20 million cubic yards of dirt and rock, excavating hills and building up embankments in the undulating terrain to support the gentle grade of an interstate,"  Wingfield said in a statement. "After one day of rain, it may be several days before it dries out such that crews can return to moving and hauling dirt."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on August 01, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE

Thanks for sharing. It's a terrific view of the project. It appears that it was uploaded to YouTube by one of the contractors.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on August 01, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: theline on August 01, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE

Thanks for sharing. It's a terrific view of the project. It appears that it was uploaded to YouTube by one of the contractors.

White Construction is located in Clinton, IN, just about 20 minutes north of Terre Haute (my hometown).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on August 02, 2014, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: US 41 on August 01, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: theline on August 01, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE

Thanks for sharing. It's a terrific view of the project. It appears that it was uploaded to YouTube by one of the contractors.

White Construction is located in Clinton, IN, just about 20 minutes north of Terre Haute (my hometown).
Kudos to them on contributing to the I-69 extension!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on August 02, 2014, 11:19:33 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 02, 2014, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: US 41 on August 01, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: theline on August 01, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE

Thanks for sharing. It's a terrific view of the project. It appears that it was uploaded to YouTube by one of the contractors.

White Construction is located in Clinton, IN, just about 20 minutes north of Terre Haute (my hometown).
Kudos to them on contributing to the I-69 extension!

I believe that they tried to win the contract on the first few sections of I-69, but I don't think they won.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on August 04, 2014, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE

Nice - did this start closer to the Crane end or the Bloomington (IN 37) end? Notes didn't say...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on August 04, 2014, 07:07:10 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on August 04, 2014, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 01, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
View of section 4 from a drone: http://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE

Nice - did this start closer to the Crane end or the Bloomington (IN 37) end? Notes didn't say...

This was flown west to east on contract 3 (of 8) which begins a few miles east of U231 and ends just before the exchange to SR 45.

See contract 3 on this PDF for the general location.

http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Section-4_07_16_14.pdf (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Section-4_07_16_14.pdf)

Edit: By the way, the project has also posted new pictures;

http://www.i69indyevn.org/pa/section4 (http://www.i69indyevn.org/pa/section4)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 09, 2014, 12:32:05 PM
They've moved on to paving part of Section 4 - Segment 1 now (http://www.gcdailyworld.com/story/2108119.html)

QuoteThe Indiana Department of Transportation got paving operations underway earlier this week on the newest section of the I-69 project in Eastern Greene County.
According to INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield, a stretch of the new highway between US 231, where the highway currently ends, and the bridge on County Road 215 E was the objective.

"They will pave northeast for about 4,000 feet to the CR 215 bridge, then pave back in the opposite direction toward U.S. 231," Wingfield explained. "All but two of the I-69 contracts are using concrete travel lanes for the mainline."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 09, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
With segment 4 running late, is there any useable partial segment they can open by winter that would still be beneficial to motorists?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 09, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
That was the original plan, open up the stretch from US 231 to SR 45 or something like that, but now they are saying that THAT isn't even likely, so you might as well do it all at once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 10, 2014, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 09, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
That was the original plan, open up the stretch from US 231 to SR 45 or something like that, but now they are saying that THAT isn't even likely, so you might as well do it all at once.

The picture I posted from July 4 show it is more than unlikely - it is impossible. I think the video from White Construction also shows this section so those high bridges are very far from being complete. The completion statuses in link (http://www.i69indyevn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Section-4_07_16_14.pdf) that was posted by andy show the two sections at and west of SR 45 at 48% and 51% - on contracts that were let in 2012.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on October 19, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on June 27, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
This June 26 Warrick County Chamber of Commerce press release (http://www.tristate-media.com/warrick/community/community_news/article_663250c4-fc7f-11e3-b435-001a4bcf887a.html), primarily making the case for the I-69 Ohio River bridge, states that the I-164-to-I-69 conversion will be complete by the end of the year:
Quote
If you drive on I-164 you will soon see the signs changing to I-69. The transition from I-164 to I-69 will be complete by the end of this year.

Does anyone have a field report regarding a sighting of the installation of I-69 shields on I-164?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 19, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
I was in Evansville 2 weeks ago, as of then it was still I-164 the whole length.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 21, 2014, 03:13:25 PM
There is an I-69 regional summit going on in Bloomington, IN today.  Believe there's DOT people from Texas, Arkansas, Kentucky and maybe a couple others but it's mainly Indiana folks

So here's the early update on I-69 construction... Section 4 delayed to Dec 2015 due to weather... Section 5 construction starting in November, 2-3 years of environmental study before Section 6 starts construction (and hopefully they have funding in place by then).

http://www.14news.com/story/26840821/state-leaders-in-bloomington-for-i-69-update

QuoteThe Indiana Department of Transportation says the section of I-69 from Crane to Bloomington will be open by December 2015.  It will connect Evansville and Bloomington.

Construction on the next section of the interstate, which will connect Bloomington and Martinsville, will start in November.  It should open by the end of 2016.

Funding is in place for construction of I-69 to Martinsville but not to 465 in Indianapolis.

INDOT says they have time with 2 to 3 years of environmental studies and planning ahead of them for that section of the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
I-69 in SW Indiana follows a very curvy, crooked path. It's not much better in Kentucky either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 21, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
Likely due to many factors: environmental issues property acquisition and money
Haven't driven it yet but it doesn't look so bad to me looking at the map.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 21, 2014, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
I-69 in SW Indiana follows a very curvy, crooked path. It's not much better in Kentucky either.

I've seen I-69's routing in southwest Indiana on Google Maps, and I have to agree with ya. It's curviness is a little overkill.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 07:49:55 AM
Indiana's routing of I-69 between Indy and Evansville seems more direct than Kentucky's use of the existing Parkway system.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on October 22, 2014, 09:31:59 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 21, 2014, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
I-69 in SW Indiana follows a very curvy, crooked path. It's not much better in Kentucky either.

I've seen I-69's routing in southwest Indiana on Google Maps, and I have to agree with ya. It's curviness is a little overkill.

A direct shot between Washington & Bloomington would run through a gigantic Naval base and a large Amish area, hence the big turn north & east rather than diagonal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 22, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
And for in Kentucky, they used the existing parkways instead of a direct diagonal along US 60 and US 641 due to the cost of the new-ROW routing.  I would suspect that US 60 does carry a decent amount of traffic, but not enough (yet) to justify the cost of going that way.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 22, 2014, 08:42:03 PM
Quote
A portion of the Interstate 69 interchange in Monroe County is expected to be open to traffic by the end of the year. "If Mother Nature is willing, traffic will be moved over,"  said Chriss Jobe, construction area engineer for Section 4 of I-69...

Ind. 37 traffic to be diverted to I-69 interchange in Monroe County by year's end (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=206&articleID=76861) (Indiana Economic Digest)

Officials: Biggest prize, challenge for I-69 is funding to complete highway (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&ArticleID=76862) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 22, 2014, 10:01:15 PM
Another article.  Somewhat pessimistic about funding, some about the Evansville bridge.
But this seems overly optimistic;
http://www.ibj.com/articles/50097-state-still-uncertain-on-finishing-i-69-extension (http://www.ibj.com/articles/50097-state-still-uncertain-on-finishing-i-69-extension)
QuoteConstruction is underway on a 27-mile section between Bloomington and Crane that could open late this year.

I saw an expectation of December 2015 (can't remember where) earlier this week. I think the construction companies are keeping as low a profile as they can and that is leading to folks not really knowing what's up.

The official website does show good progress on the south-west part (231 to 45);
http://www.i69indyevn.org/section-design-schedule (http://www.i69indyevn.org/section-design-schedule)

I was able to drive parts of the construction a few weeks ago. (sorry no pictures, yet.)  I always thought the south-west parts would be tough construction, but they are making remarkable progress and I wouldn't be surprised by this part opening next summer.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 23, 2014, 12:07:20 PM
This article has a little more info on the construction status of Section 4 right now
http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2014/10/portion-of-i-69-expected-to-open-by-end-of-year.php

QuoteA portion of the Interstate 69 interchange in Monroe County is expected to be open to traffic by the end of the year.

Chriss Jobe, construction area engineer for Section 4 of I-69 says that the interchange is located between That Road and Victor Pike. Currently the southbound traffic has been diverted into one of the northbound lanes of Ind. 37 to accommodate construction crews.

Jobe hopes to have enough paving done to move traffic over to the new interchange and close Ind. 37's northbound lane by early December.

The rest of Section 4, the 27-mile stretch from Naval Support Activity Crane to Bloomington, won't be finished until the end of 2015.

That's about a year after the original expected completion date. Construction was delayed due to a wet spring and summer in 2013.

Jobe says 80 percent of the dirt moving for Section 4 is complete as well as 80 percent of the drainage work and 70 percent of the section's 49 bridge structures are complete, but only 10 percent of the paving work is done. The rest of the paving will be done in the spring and summer of 2015. Concrete will be used for most of the paving because it was determined to be more cost effective than asphalt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 23, 2014, 12:46:42 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Findianaeconomicdigest.com%2FSiteImages%2FArticle%2FOriginalSize%2F76861a.jpg&hash=d8080ed235f354d76254afac4ca5f34138275d96)
I'm not surprised at all that they chose to build I-69 on top of IN 37 to Bloomington! Methinks the same thing will be done when the Interstate eventually reaches Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 23, 2014, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 23, 2014, 12:46:42 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Findianaeconomicdigest.com%2FSiteImages%2FArticle%2FOriginalSize%2F76861a.jpg&hash=d8080ed235f354d76254afac4ca5f34138275d96)
I'm not surprised at all that they chose to build I-69 on top of IN 37 to Bloomington! Methinks the same thing will be done when the Interstate eventually reaches Indianapolis.
That's exactly what they're doing from indy to bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 23, 2014, 12:48:55 PM
Is sr 37 2 lanes in the new interchange or were they cheap and made it only 1
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
That Rd.? Seriously?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 23, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
That Rd.? Seriously?
Which road are you talking about?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on October 23, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 23, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
That Rd.? Seriously?
Which road are you talking about?
No, Which Rd. is on second.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 23, 2014, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
That Rd.? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. I worked at a camp nearby that had a "This Trail" and "That Trail." I'm not sure if it was inspired by this road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
It used to go to Marlo Thomas' vacation home.

BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 24, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
That Rd.? Seriously?

Marshall County has A Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously

There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on October 24, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 06, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
This November 1 Indiana Public Media article (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/local-company-wins-bid-build-trumpet-i69-interchange-39184/) reports that the trumpet option has been chosen and that a contractor has been selected to build it:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfMHq7.jpg&hash=19a256ce16dd0bf944ac9b1a3294d9e273890faf)
Quote from: theline on November 08, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
I know it's a moot point, since the trumpet interchange has been selected by INDOT, but I wonder what purpose is served by the two segments that I've marked in red below. If those are removed, the circle is unneeded and that part of the road can be straightened out.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2v12e7d.jpg&hash=e623097f82237a850c55b352cf908f43f5ad10c0)
Quote from: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously
There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.

I just wanted to post the above rejected roundabout option for historical purposes. INDOT probably reached the same conclusion as theline.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 24, 2014, 11:51:50 PM
The roundabout idea was a terrible one glad they realized that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 25, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 23, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
That Rd.? Seriously?
Which road are you talking about?

The road in this graphic:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Findianaeconomicdigest.com%2FSiteImages%2FArticle%2FOriginalSize%2F76861a.jpg&hash=d8080ed235f354d76254afac4ca5f34138275d96)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on October 27, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on October 24, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on November 06, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
This November 1 Indiana Public Media article (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/local-company-wins-bid-build-trumpet-i69-interchange-39184/) reports that the trumpet option has been chosen and that a contractor has been selected to build it:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfMHq7.jpg&hash=19a256ce16dd0bf944ac9b1a3294d9e273890faf)
Quote from: theline on November 08, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
I know it's a moot point, since the trumpet interchange has been selected by INDOT, but I wonder what purpose is served by the two segments that I've marked in red below. If those are removed, the circle is unneeded and that part of the road can be straightened out.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2v12e7d.jpg&hash=e623097f82237a850c55b352cf908f43f5ad10c0)
Quote from: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously
There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.

I just wanted to post the above rejected roundabout option for historical purposes. INDOT probably reached the same conclusion as theline.

You're welcome INDOT! Now that you've seen what I can do, I'm available for further consultation, at a reasonable fee.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously

There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.


When I saw the depiction of the planned roundabout, I recognized the design...

It's the same type used on many of the Keystone Parkway interchanges!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Keystone+Ave,+Indianapolis,+IN+46240/@39.9857986,-86.114322,215m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8814addb4d405ed7:0x1d216a9cc8883a22

Considering the importance of SR 37 I was surprised this design was ever suggested for the junction with I-69.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 27, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
It was a terrible idea good they realized that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on October 27, 2014, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously

There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.


When I saw the depiction of the planned roundabout, I recognized the design...

It's the same type used on many of the Keystone Parkway interchanges!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Keystone+Ave,+Indianapolis,+IN+46240/@39.9857986,-86.114322,215m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8814addb4d405ed7:0x1d216a9cc8883a22

Considering the importance of SR 37 I was surprised this design was ever suggested for the junction with I-69.
So it's kinda like a funky, non-crossover version of a DDI... (quote placement corrected)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: billtm on October 27, 2014, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on October 27, 2014, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously

There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.


When I saw the depiction of the planned roundabout, I recognized the design...

It's the same type used on many of the Keystone Parkway interchanges!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Keystone+Ave,+Indianapolis,+IN+46240/@39.9857986,-86.114322,215m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8814addb4d405ed7:0x1d216a9cc8883a22

Considering the importance of SR 37 I was surprised this design was ever suggested for the junction with I-69.
So it's kinda like a funky, non-crossover version of a DDI... (quote placement corrected)
Well, it's actually called a Dogbone interchange.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F6%2F60%2FAS_Knochen.svg%2F500px-AS_Knochen.svg.png&hash=54ccd38ec9d9f964f632dc802c5d92b881ba9cd5)
Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_interchange#Dogbone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_interchange#Dogbone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_%28road%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_%28road%29)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 28, 2014, 06:34:19 AM
Quote
It could be up to three years before anyone knows the exact route of Interstate 69 from Martinsville to Indianapolis. At the I-69 Regional Summit in Bloomington last week, Indiana Department of Transportation Commissioner Karl Browning said the path won't be determined until the next level environmental study has been completed...

Exact route of I-69 Section 6 Martinsville-Indianapolis still years away (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=76915&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208&S=1) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 28, 2014, 10:21:09 AM
A few updates this morning... Section 5 construction (from the public-private partnership) starts tonight between That Road & SR 46. 
http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2014/10/i-69-development-partners-announces-public-open-house-wednesday.php

QuoteThe first phase of the I-69 reconstruction is tied to completion of traffic improvements in Bloomington such as a new interchange at Tapp Road, a third lane in each direction, a new overpass at Rockport Road and changes to That Road.

http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2014/10/single-lane-closures-on-ind-37.php

QuoteThe I-69 Development Partners Team announce single lane closures on State Road 37 between That Road and S.R. 46. These closures will be begin nightly on or after Tuesday.

The closures will take place between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. each night.

This work will continue through Nov. 7. The contractor will be working nightly to minimize the impact to motorists.

Their work hours will be Monday through Friday from 9 p.m. until 6 a.m. each day, weather permitting.

The I-69 Development Partners Team reminds drivers to use caution and consider worker safety when driving through a construction zone.

Also they are starting on the Tier 2 study for Section 6, which should be an interesting political fight.

http://www.buildi69.com/

QuoteINDOT is pleased to announce the resumption of environmental activities leading to a Tier 2 Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for Section 6 of I-69, connecting Martinsville to Indianapolis.  With the completion of Sections 1, 2, and 3 and the continued progress through Sections 4 and 5, the resumption of Section 6 is in line with Governor Pence's emphasis to "finish what you start" .

The Section 6 study will be prepared by FHWA and INDOT, with support from HNTB and Lochmueller Group. The study will include alternatives analysis and environmental studies consistent with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and other laws.

With the resumption of the Section 6 study, the appropriate federal and state resource agencies and the public will be included in additional scoping activities. These scoping activities will identify additional alternatives for completing Section 6. All alternatives will connect Section 5 of I-69 in Martinsville with I-465 in Indianapolis. The alternatives may be outside the Tier 1 corridor for some or most of their length and may connect to I-465 directly or via I-65 or I-70. Additional schedule details on the timing of the environmental activities will be published later this year after consultation with various resource agencies."

Agencies and the public will have opportunities to comment during this scoping process and throughout the development of the proposed project. A date for a scoping meeting for regulatory agencies to address Section 6 will be established at a later date. A public Information meeting for this Tier 2 section will also be scheduled at a later date.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on October 28, 2014, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: billtm on October 27, 2014, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on October 27, 2014, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 27, 2014, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: andy on October 24, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
BTW, that 69/37 interchange diagram is different from the one I had seen previously

There was a modified round-about for a while, but someone wised up.


When I saw the depiction of the planned roundabout, I recognized the design...

It's the same type used on many of the Keystone Parkway interchanges!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Keystone+Ave,+Indianapolis,+IN+46240/@39.9857986,-86.114322,215m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8814addb4d405ed7:0x1d216a9cc8883a22

Considering the importance of SR 37 I was surprised this design was ever suggested for the junction with I-69.
So it's kinda like a funky, non-crossover version of a DDI... (quote placement corrected)
Well, it's actually called a Dogbone interchange.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F6%2F60%2FAS_Knochen.svg%2F500px-AS_Knochen.svg.png&hash=54ccd38ec9d9f964f632dc802c5d92b881ba9cd5)
Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_interchange#Dogbone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_interchange#Dogbone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_%28road%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_%28road%29)
:clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 29, 2014, 11:06:28 PM
I did make it to the public meeting today.
The materials presented were focused on giving folks a chance to vote on aesthetic designs for bridges and overpasses.  Unfortunately I did not see any links to find the materials online.

The section 5 does have a website;
http://www.i69section5.org/ (http://www.i69section5.org/)

Also, Evansville paper had a short write up;
http://www.courierpress.com/news/facing-our-future/construction-to-begin-this-fall-on-latest-phase-of-i69-a-publicprivate-partnership_97177433 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/facing-our-future/construction-to-begin-this-fall-on-latest-phase-of-i69-a-publicprivate-partnership_97177433)

On the drive up, I passed over I-69 at SR45.  Looking good.  Most of the dirt work near that exchange looks nearly complete and a concrete plant has been set up.  One of the reps at the meeting said, unofficially, not to be surprised if the road is done well before the current December 2015 estimate.  :clap:

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 10, 2014, 06:48:25 PM
Quote
While the exact path of Interstate 69 from Martinsville to Indianapolis is still unknown, two state senators are adamant that it won't be going through Perry Township in Marion County...

Will township roadblock force I-69 route to detour in Indianapolis? (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=202&ArticleID=77067) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 10, 2014, 06:59:45 PM
What is she talking about? Every cross street would more than likely get a bridge. What school would need to move for this highway? I feel like this is what the people representing Decatur township should say. Classic selfish nimbys
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 10, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
I bet that the folks in Bloomington are saying to themselves, "why didn't we think of this?" Living in Perry Township I can also probably guess that the politics of Perry Township are more in-line with those of the state than the politics of Bloomington.

I too am "separated" from the rest of the township via Interstate 65 and had little problem going to school back in the day. Every day I had to cross the interstate, and my life was fine. The school would be just fine where it's at and most homes I'd imagine would also be fine, no one has a house directly off of SR 37. Businesses would suffer a little more, especially around the proposed Southport/69 interchange, but those were built after the proposed route was announced and the developers probably didn't care. I think we'd be fine as long as overpasses were built at Banta, Stop 11, Wicker and maybe Edgewood along with interchanges at Southport and County Line. Realign Harding with the current SR 37 interchange to make that possible route for commuters to access I-465.

And if the worse should happen and we do have to move I-69 up to I-70, keep I-69 along I-70 to the east side to avoid having to multiplex with 465 and 74 (and widen the interstate to four lanes, not that that shouldn't happen anyway) and have it so that I-69 can pass through Downtown Indy, because why not?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 10, 2014, 08:06:38 PM
It was the same type of people that killed 69 going on sr 37 on the northeast side years ago. Now we are suffering from their selfish nimby attitude. Traffic would be so much better if they lost.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on November 10, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
^Former IN 37 inside the I-465 loop, or was I-69 originally supposed to follow IN 37 through the Noblesville area?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 10, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 10, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
^Former IN 37 inside the I-465 loop, or was I-69 originally supposed to follow IN 37 through the Noblesville area?
Inside the loop
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 11, 2014, 10:13:00 AM
If they win, and this highway is rerouted, how soon after does everyone think that Perry township will start complaining about the traffic on 37 and demand they Carmelize it (Keystone Pkwy)? Also, if it would tie into 70 near the airport, wouldn't it need to go along the west leg of 465?  Which would likely force them to fix that awful 465/69 interchange in Castleton.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on November 11, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 11, 2014, 10:13:00 AM
If they win, and this highway is rerouted, how soon after does everyone think that Perry township will start complaining about the traffic on 37 and demand they Carmelize it (Keystone Pkwy)? Also, if it would tie into 70 near the airport, wouldn't it need to go along the west leg of 465?  Which would likely force them to fix that awful 465/69 interchange in Castleton.

Running it to the airport wouldn't be a horrible idea since I-70 could definitely handle the extra traffic near the airport. The problem would be that INDOT would have to build a new bridge over the White River.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 11, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
Wouldn't it be more expensive?  It's all new road plus a lot of road reconfiguration and demos depending on the route
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on November 11, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
If I-69 is rerouted to avoid Perry Township, I would hope that the new alignment would be similar to the one proposed for the Indiana Commerce Connector.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 11, 2014, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 11, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
If I-69 is rerouted to avoid Perry Township, I would hope that the new alignment would be similar to the one proposed for the Indiana Commerce Connector.
O wow good luck building that thing people in the area will be against it. Completely useless imo especially as a toll road (it's proposed as a toll rd).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 11, 2014, 06:03:43 PM
How about heading east at about sr144 and sweeping wide to Pendleton?  Then give Pendleton back to 465  a new number.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 11, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
There's several different options I see:
- Keep the route they picked in Tier 1 and pass a bill locking in the route over the objections of a few State Reps/couple State Senators.  Republicans have the super-majorities to easily do that.  Having driven both the SR 67/SR 37 routes many times when I lived in Bloomington & worked in Indianapolis, that would be the best option.
- Similar route to Tier I, but it jumps the White River south of the Marion County line (that's the township border) and then goes up the relatively undeveloped flood plain to I-465 a couple miles west of where the Tier 1 exit was.  Probably the 2nd best option and would just require 5-6 miles of new terrain road & a bridge over the White River.
- Similar route, but road cuts NW to I-70 instead near the airport
- Route bypasses Martinsville to the west (so no mess in Martinsville; but requires a bridge over the White River) and Section 6 follows SR 39 --> SR 67 to Mooresville, where the road could either bypass Mooresville to the W and hook up with I-70 there, or it bypass to the E and follow some of SR 67 (demolishing a strip mall or two), before a new terrain route to I-70 or I-465.
- Full Indiana Commerce Corridor-ish route all the way to I-69 N of Indy
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 11, 2014, 08:45:07 PM
Of course, it was Republicans who were those State Reps/Senators who introduced the language forbidding the route in Perry Township, and Perry Twp in general is Republican, so I'm not sure why the super-majority in the statehouse will change any of that. Bloomington is of course Democrat and it's probably no surprise who got screwed over in wanting I-69, from merely a political standpoint. For the record, B-town does have its annoying NIMBYs too and behaved similar to Perry Township residents in not wanting the highway and I am all for I-69 in Bloomington.

As for Section 6, I indeed hope it stays on SR 37. To me the highway is not too dissimilar to US 31 in Carmel and Westfield and if we can covert that stretch of highway into a freeway (through heavily Republican areas I might add) then I don't see how SR 37 couldn't get the same treatment.

If that don't work, I'm okay with a routing north through Decatur Township (if not my backyard then clearly someone else's right?) or up along that SR 39 route. As it has been pointed out, the highway by the airport is very suitable for another interstate, we just need to widen I-70 west toward SR 39 and Monrovia, which may happen in the future anyway. And as I've said before, keep I-69 along I-70 through the city, not joining I-465 until the east side where the exit ramps are already designed for the interstate to move onto northbound 465. We may need to widen I-70 to four lanes from Downtown to I-465 on the west side however. But, I'd get a kick out of seeing Fort Wayne and Evansville on the BGSs in Downtown Indy and we can finally say that I-69 DOES go to Downtown Indy.

Construction may need to be done around the North and South Splits for that to happen however...but that never stopped Nashville, TN where they're three interstates downtown and heavy traffic.

As for the ICC....no, no, no.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 18, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
Update on I-164 being converted to I-69... starts this week.

QuoteI-164 Renamed to I-69 by End of Year (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=194631&information_id=207895&type=&rss=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

EVANSVILLE, Ind. — Later this week, Indiana Department of Transportation crews and contractors will be replacing Interstate 164 signage in Vanderburgh and Warrick counties with new Interstate 69 shields. Motorists should watch for short-term lane closures as crews work along the interstate and the roads that connect with it.

The conversion will require updating approximately 70 large interstate signs at or near exits and the smaller, blue signs posted at bridges and every two tenths of a mile. Hummel Electric of Evansville is assisting INDOT with the large panel and overhead signs as part of a $1.9 million contract.

INDOT anticipates that all 21 miles of preexisting interstate highway will be renamed to I-69 by the end of this year, weather permitting. Businesses and other organizations are encouraged update their signage, maps and directions.

A year ago, INDOT announced that the Federal Highway Administration and American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials approved Indiana's request to rename I-164 to I-69. Mile markers and exit numbers on I-69 from Evansville to Crane will not be affected.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on November 19, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
I drove this last Friday, and most of the route signs and markers had already been changed. The only thing left is the BGS's. I expected some type of multi-plexing for the next year or so, but the 164 signs are gone.

Below is an article in the Evansville Courier and Press. Ahhh...the gas prices in 1990.

Interstate 164, we hardly knew ye.

The Indiana Department of Transportation reminded us of your impending death this week. Their road workers will give the eulogy: New Interstate 69 placards to replace all those big, green exit signs and all those little, blue mile-markers.

You opened on Aug. 2, 1990. Truckers were thrilled with the prospect of avoiding U.S. 41 through the middle of Evansville, with its perpetual string of stoplights.

Shift into gear, gas, brake. Shift into gear, gas, brake. Shift...

Instead, those truckers zipped along your 20 miles of fresh payment (retail price: just north of $200 million). An article on the Evansville Courier the following day noted how you were the talk of the local CB radio community.

(For the younger crowd: CB stands for citizens band radio. Think Twitter, but with your voice, a few different channels and an antenna. Ask your parents or grandparents about it.)



Read the article from our archives

Alas, your birth was secondary news – on the day you finally opened, 22 long years after being designated as Interstate 164 – Saddam Hussein's tanks rolled into Kuwait, bringing the spectre of war to most of the world.

Motorists enjoying the new "spur"  around Evansville saw an immediate spike in prices at the gas pump. A gallon of 87-octane at the Shell station skyrocketed from 99 cents ... to $1.08.

Now here we are, not even 25 years later, and you've undergone the ultimate quarter-life crisis: An identity change. Every two-tenths of a mile, we'll be reminded of who you are now. All 70 of those large interstate signs will bear your new name.

Weather permitting, INDOT says your overhaul will be finished by the end of the year. Your assimilation into the Interstate 69 – the 67 miles of it that are done, anyway – will be complete.



"After all of the signs and maps are changed, (I-164) will only live on in historical or outdated records,"  said INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield.

There is some good news: INDOT says you'll keep your designation as the Robert D. Orr Highway, an honor bestowed upon the man who grew up in Evansville and became Indiana's 45th governor.

It'll have to do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 08:58:50 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on November 19, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
"After all of the signs and maps are changed, (I-164) will only live on in historical or outdated records,"  said INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield.
Not quite; it's still officially on the bit west of US 41.
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Indiana%20AM2013.pdf
QuoteThe overall route length of I-164 is 21.39 miles. The segment of I-164 that is proposed to be eliminated, renamed and resigned as I-69 over an existing facility is approximately 20.70 miles long.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 19, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on November 19, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
I drove this last Friday, and most of the route signs and markers had already been changed. The only thing left is the BGS's. I expected some type of multi-plexing for the next year or so, but the 164 signs are gone.

I'll go ahead then and update OSM then and remove I-164 and replace it with I-69. ;)  Any exit numbers change?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dfwmapper on November 19, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 19, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
I'll go ahead then and update OSM then and remove I-164 and replace it with I-69. ;)  Any exit numbers change?
Quote from: thefro on November 18, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
Update on I-164 being converted to I-69... starts this week.

Quote
...
A year ago, INDOT announced that the Federal Highway Administration and American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials approved Indiana's request to rename I-164 to I-69. Mile markers and exit numbers on I-69 from Evansville to Crane will not be affected.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 19, 2014, 10:28:36 PM
And to be explicit, the exit numbers on the previously 164 also will not change.  69 was numbered with that assumption.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 11:01:22 AM
Does Indiana use demountable route markers on its guide signs?

I'm wondering if replacing the I-164 signs on the guide signs will involve removing them and replacing them with I-69 shields, or if greenouts will be necessary.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 11:01:22 AM
Does Indiana use demountable route markers on its guide signs?

I'm wondering if replacing the I-164 signs on the guide signs will involve removing them and replacing them with I-69 shields, or if greenouts will be necessary.

I can't guarantee that they use it everywhere, but the do use them in a lot of areas around the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 20, 2014, 12:34:46 PM
QuoteThe overall route length of I-164 is 21.39 miles. The segment of I-164 that is proposed to be eliminated, renamed and resigned as I-69 over an existing facility is approximately 20.70 miles long.

Fun fact: The remaining portion of I-164 is .69 miles long! (21.39 - 20.70 = 0.69)  :biggrin:

Oddity: I-164 will no longer connect to its parent. I'm wondering if they thought this through.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 12:35:53 PM
So is 164 going to be signed? Is the small east west portion going to be 164?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on November 20, 2014, 01:28:01 PM
I'm not sure why they bothered to keep I-164 at all.  Just take the small bit west of US 41 off the interstate system.  Or at least renumber it to I-169 (though I'd rather not; I'm not happy about NY losing the distinction of having the smallest interstate to Indiana).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 01:35:23 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 20, 2014, 01:28:01 PM
I'm not sure why they bothered to keep I-164 at all.  Just take the small bit west of US 41 off the interstate system.  Or at least renumber it to I-169 (though I'd rather not; I'm not happy about NY losing the distinction of having the smallest interstate to Indiana).

You know they're itching to turn that stub into US 41
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: english si on November 20, 2014, 05:11:29 PM
I-164/9 would get longer when the Ohio river bridge opens, diverting I-69 to the east.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 05:14:26 PM
I'm pretty sure it will become 169 eventually
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 20, 2014, 07:40:29 PM
I viewed the sign plans for this project a while ago and I don't recall seeing any I-164 signs remaining, including west of US 41, I believe the entire highway is gone (or will be.) So I believe NY is safe with their shortest interstate. What I wasn't happy to see when the sign plans was a lack of control city at the various I-164 interchanges. Although it will be at least another year before it becomes a more-or-less reality, I'd love to see Indianapolis on the highway signs at the interchange with I-69 and the Lloyd.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
As far as INDOT has been concerned, the westernmost six-tenths of a mile might have been numbered as I-164, but the end has been signed where Exit 0 peels off to the C/D ramp to 41 and Kentucky Ave. That's where the yellow "Ends I-164" overhead is located. (I don't know why it's "ends" and not "end". It's been that way for several years.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2014, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 05:14:26 PM
I'm pretty sure it will become 169 eventually

The way INDOT has been decommissioning and rerouting roads, don't be surprised if they don't try to send 41 around I-69 and I-64 and turn what's now 41 between the two over to Evansville and Vanderburgh County.  I don't see a "169" in Evansville's future.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 20, 2014, 07:58:22 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 20, 2014, 07:40:29 PM
I viewed the sign plans for this project a while ago and I don't recall seeing any I-164 signs remaining, including west of US 41, I believe the entire highway is gone (or will be.) So I believe NY is safe with their shortest interstate.
I-878 is unsigned...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on November 20, 2014, 08:06:31 PM

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2014, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 05:14:26 PM
I'm pretty sure it will become 169 eventually

The way INDOT has been decommissioning and rerouting roads, don't be surprised if they don't try to send 41 around I-69 and I-64 and turn what's now 41 between the two over to Evansville and Vanderburgh County.  I don't see a "169" in Evansville's future.

People in Evansville still frequently refer to "Old 41."  Will current 41 become "Less Old 41," or will Kentucky Ave become "Really Old 41"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 20, 2014, 08:38:19 PM
I believe I've heard, and it's probably written somewhere on this forum, there is (or was) a plan to reroute 41 onto Now!I-69. But now that you mentioned it, I really want to see a street blade with "Less Old 41!"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 20, 2014, 08:06:31 PM

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on November 20, 2014, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 20, 2014, 05:14:26 PM
I'm pretty sure it will become 169 eventually

The way INDOT has been decommissioning and rerouting roads, don't be surprised if they don't try to send 41 around I-69 and I-64 and turn what's now 41 between the two over to Evansville and Vanderburgh County.  I don't see a "169" in Evansville's future.

People in Evansville still frequently refer to "Old 41."  Will current 41 become "Less Old 41," or will Kentucky Ave become "Really Old 41"?

Yes, but less so than they used to. Indeed, it was sort of odd when Diamond Ave. was last redone, the signs at Fares Ave. (Old 41 North) no longer reference Fares at all ... They read "Old Business 41"!  Even local media now refers to it as such. And quite honestly, I can understand why the name game is being played. Fares has had, and still does, a rough reputation for crime and prostitution. Not that a name change does anything to fix that, though! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on November 20, 2014, 11:35:53 PM
Then I guess there can be "Old Business 41," "New Business 41," and (wait for it) "Reading of the Minutes 41"!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 21, 2014, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 20, 2014, 11:35:53 PM
Then I guess there can be "Old Business 41," "New Business 41," and (wait for it) "Reading of the Minutes 41"!

Next, I move we table 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 26, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
Another article about the SR 37 v.s. I-70 approach to section 6.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 26, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: andy on November 26, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
Another article about the SR 37 v.s. I-70 approach to section 6.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484)
Let's hope indot finds a way to break that stupid law and put it where it belongs on 37
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 26, 2014, 10:44:08 PM
Bored at the moment so I looked at I-69 on the map. When Section 4 opens up next year, you'll be able to go from Harding Street and Oliver Street (just north of I-70) in Indianapolis all the way to the intersection of Kratzville Road and First Avenue on the north side of Evansville without ever getting off the road, considering how I-69 curves around Evansville and becomes Veterans Memorial Parkway and Fulton Avenue.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on November 28, 2014, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: andy on November 26, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
Another article about the SR 37 v.s. I-70 approach to section 6.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484)

Andy, since most of us aren't subscribers, could you give us the highlights of the article, or at least who the legislator is and what he thinks he can do? If I remember correctly, the original legislator who fought so hard to keep I-69 out of Perry Township, Senator Borst, hasn't been in office for years now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 29, 2014, 12:34:07 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on November 28, 2014, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: andy on November 26, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
Another article about the SR 37 v.s. I-70 approach to section 6.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/legislator-may-revive-debate-over-where-last-phase-of-i69-enters-indianapolis-area_71397484)

Andy, since most of us aren't subscribers, could you give us the highlights of the article, or at least who the legislator is and what he thinks he can do? If I remember correctly, the original legislator who fought so hard to keep I-69 out of Perry Township, Senator Borst, hasn't been in office for years now.

Sorry about that, when I posted it was open. I'll not trust them to keep things open again. Here is the same article from Indiana Economic Digest;
http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=66&ArticleID=77288 (http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=66&ArticleID=77288)

QuoteChelsea Schneider, Evansville Courier & Press Statehouse Reporter

INDIANAPOLIS – A Central Indiana lawmaker is planning to propose legislation next year that could reignite debate on the route of the final section of the Interstate 69 expansion.
The sixth section will extend the road north from Martinsville to Indianapolis, but a law passed in 2006 restricts it from entering Indianapolis' Perry Township. State Rep. John Price, a Greenwood Republican, said this week he's exploring introducing legislation as a way to review the route because of what he believes are the economic development benefits of the road following the Indiana 37 corridor in Johnson County, which is immediately south of Perry Township.

Price, a longtime county official before winning election to the Indiana House in 2012, said the county has worked to add water and utility infrastructure along Indiana 37 to support the road. The fifth section, which is in the initial phases of construction, is updating the existing Indiana 37 corridor from Bloomington up to Martinsville. However, a state senator whose district covers a portion of Perry Township led an effort for the ban in 2006 because of concerns of the road entering a more developed area of Indiana 37 and tying into a busy Interstate 465 interchange.

State Sen. Pat Miller, an Indianapolis Republican, said she would oppose efforts of lifting the ban in Perry Township. Miller said she wants the road to go west of the suburban township and tie into Interstate 70, which she said already has the lanes to handle an influx of I-69 traffic.

"I expect (the Indiana Department of Transportation) to follow the law,"  Miller said.

Price said he's looking for a compromise, and he's open to options in hopes of alleviating any roadblocks to the road going through Johnson County. Discussions could include releasing a portion of the township from the ban, Price said, while still balancing the concerns of lawmakers who worked to put in the restriction. Price said he's open to the road taking a western route as it heads more north into the Indianapolis area.

"A lot of money has been spent in Johnson County in preparation for (I-69.) It would be a shame to see it go away from here without putting up a good fight for this area,"  Price said, "and that's what I plan to do."

An initial study of the sixth section of the project explored a route that would follow Indiana 37 to I-465. However, INDOT is beginning a second environmental study, which is a step in the process of determining the final route for the sixth section.

INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield said the study will perform a new analysis of options for the route. The state has not identified funding to construct the sixth section of the project. The fifth section is being funded through a public-private partnership and is set to open in October 2016.

"INDOT will work to advance the alignment identified in the Tier 2 review that minimizes impacts to the natural and human environment, including the project cost,"  Wingfield said in a released statement.

On another line of conversation, I came through Evansville this evening.  Looks like much of the re-labelling is done.  Most BGSs have a new decal over the old shield and the difference of reflectivity is extremely noticeable.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on November 29, 2014, 01:10:59 AM
Thanks for posting that, Andy. As a Johnson County resident I can appreciate Price's efforts to help the county economically, but he'll have to move Heaven and Earth to convince the Perry Township people that it's a good idea. I believe there is a corridor that would work for the highway to split off of SR37 and come north somewhere between Harding St. and Mann Road that would require minimal relocation, but that's me working from memory.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 29, 2014, 02:43:38 AM
Part of the space in between SR 37 and Mann Road, the part that hasn't been developed might be part of a flood plain for White River. While I am all for the effort of Greenwood to get the entire SR 37 corridor back to being I-69, I bet the straw argument from western Perry Township to Greenwood is that there's little to nothing west of SR 37 in Johnson County, except for that flood plain.

As for the new I-69 signage in Evansville. I have a feeling I know the answer but, were there any new control cities for the highway there. For years now I've wanted to see Indianapolis for northbound I-69 (I-164) and Henderson, perhaps Memphis, for southbound traffic. Maybe now isn't the time with parts of the highway not being complete, but eventually it would be nice.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 30, 2014, 12:00:26 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 29, 2014, 02:43:38 AM
Part of the space in between SR 37 and Mann Road, the part that hasn't been developed might be part of a flood plain for White River. While I am all for the effort of Greenwood to get the entire SR 37 corridor back to being I-69, I bet the straw argument from western Perry Township to Greenwood is that there's little to nothing west of SR 37 in Johnson County, except for that flood plain.

As for the new I-69 signage in Evansville. I have a feeling I know the answer but, were there any new control cities for the highway there. For years now I've wanted to see Indianapolis for northbound I-69 (I-164) and Henderson, perhaps Memphis, for southbound traffic. Maybe now isn't the time with parts of the highway not being complete, but eventually it would be nice.

If memory serves, they were just retrofitting the existing BGSs, which had no control city southbound and "To I-64" northbound. My guess is that they'll hold off on adding those until the next full replacement project. I wouldn't count on Memphis being listed any time soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 30, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
You'll see Memphis after the ohio river bridge
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on November 30, 2014, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 30, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
You'll see Memphis after the ohio river bridge
[citation needed]
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on November 30, 2014, 06:06:01 PM
there are still 164 signs in Evansville, i have pictorial evidence of it heh.

they are west of 41.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 30, 2014, 07:31:03 PM
I was only in the area of Lynch and Morgan, so no detailed report on all the signage.

As for control cities I did not see Indianapolis posted.  I personally don't expect to see Indianapolis being posted until after I69 is opened to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 30, 2014, 08:07:55 PM
I figured as much. I really hope they aren't going to leave any 164 signs up west of US 41, especially after that touching obituary.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on November 30, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Well as of yesterday, they are still up on Veterans Memorial.  There are at least 2 shields up, on the 1 mile and the 1/2 mile  exit to 41 signs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2014, 05:52:02 AM
Quote from: SSF on November 30, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Well as of yesterday, they are still up on Veterans Memorial.  There are at least 2 shields up, on the 1 mile and the 1/2 mile  exit to 41 signs.

If that's the case, those are the responsibility of the city of Evansville, not INDOT.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 01, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2014, 05:52:02 AM
Quote from: SSF on November 30, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Well as of yesterday, they are still up on Veterans Memorial.  There are at least 2 shields up, on the 1 mile and the 1/2 mile  exit to 41 signs.

If that's the case, those are the responsibility of the city of Evansville, not INDOT.

I have driven the route a few times in the last couple of weeks. It appears that they started at I-64 and are working their way south. I would suspect all of them will be changed within the next week or so.

As for control cities, there hasn't been a north bound one for the entire length of the completed section since it opened. I wouldn't expect one in Evansville until they are put in on the rest of the route. Once the road is completed to SR 37, there really isn't any reason you couldn't start using Indianapolis for a north bound control city.  There also isn't a single mileage sign in either direction, other than exit mileage along the former 164 in Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 03, 2014, 09:15:29 PM
Another Google Maps error (as of 12/3/2014) shows I-69 complete to Bloomington.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0015008,-86.7616485,39485m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0015008,-86.7616485,39485m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dfwmapper on December 04, 2014, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 03, 2014, 09:15:29 PM
Another Google Maps error (as of 12/3/2014) shows I-69 complete to Bloomington.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0015008,-86.7616485,39485m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0015008,-86.7616485,39485m/data=!3m1!1e3)
That looks like a rendering bug. It's still marked as construction status of started and hasn't been modified in several months. If you zoom in a few levels it will change from orange to gray, and if you check Map view it shows up correctly. Use the Report a problem link at the bottom to bitch at them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 07, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on December 01, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 01, 2014, 05:52:02 AM
Quote from: SSF on November 30, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Well as of yesterday, they are still up on Veterans Memorial.  There are at least 2 shields up, on the 1 mile and the 1/2 mile  exit to 41 signs.

If that's the case, those are the responsibility of the city of Evansville, not INDOT.

I have driven the route a few times in the last couple of weeks. It appears that they started at I-64 and are working their way south. I would suspect all of them will be changed within the next week or so.

As for control cities, there hasn't been a north bound one for the entire length of the completed section since it opened. I wouldn't expect one in Evansville until they are put in on the rest of the route. Once the road is completed to SR 37, there really isn't any reason you couldn't start using Indianapolis for a north bound control city.  There also isn't a single mileage sign in either direction, other than exit mileage along the former 164 in Evansville.

I think they should use Bloomington and Indianapolis both as control cities for northbound traffic. There's really no reason not to. Same for southbound traffic from Indy to Bloomington. I would use Bloomington and Evansville as the control cities.

Now since they probably won't take my advice I have a question. Do you think there's a chance Memphis might be used as a control city for southbound I-69 traffic from Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on December 07, 2014, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 07, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
Now since they probably won't take my advice I have a question. Do you think there's a chance Memphis might be used as a control city for southbound I-69 traffic from Indianapolis?

Doubtful. The whole idea behind I-69 in Indiana was a direct route from Indy to Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on December 07, 2014, 06:37:44 PM
^ It may beEvansville and not Bloomington, but I do think the NB control city from Evansville is Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 09, 2014, 08:51:39 PM
Section 5 now has some real information on the web site;
http://www.i69section5.org/ (http://www.i69section5.org/)

I was particularly interested in the construction overview.  I was under the impression the 2nd street interchange was going to be re-built, but this show no planned construction for it other than a sound barrier.
http://i2-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/20141023_ConstructionOverview_v9_final(2-8.5x11).pdf (http://i2-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/20141023_ConstructionOverview_v9_final(2-8.5x11).pdf)

Other than that, much of the discussion centered on aesthetics.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 09, 2014, 09:06:40 PM
Quote from: andy on December 09, 2014, 08:51:39 PM
Section 5 now has some real information on the web site;
http://www.i69section5.org/ (http://www.i69section5.org/)

I was particularly interested in the construction overview.  I was under the impression the 2nd street interchange was going to be re-built, but this show no planned construction for it other than a sound barrier.
http://i2-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/20141023_ConstructionOverview_v9_final(2-8.5x11).pdf (http://i2-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/20141023_ConstructionOverview_v9_final(2-8.5x11).pdf)

Other than that, much of the discussion centered on aesthetics.

I thought it was too. I also thought Vernal Pike would go under SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 09, 2014, 09:25:00 PM
It probably was but was cut due to funding issues
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 09, 2014, 09:56:45 PM
I suspected that the SR 45 interchange is staying as it is for the same reason that the SR 48 interchange is remaining the same, no reason to build a whole new interchange. They just wanted to combine SR 45 with Tapp Road, but here they are doing the two as separate interchanges with an auxiliary lane in between. As for Vernal Pike, I always that thought that would be an overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 12, 2014, 01:56:47 PM
A reporter from the Bloomington Herald-Times was given a tour of Section 4 construction and has the photos posted on his Twitter account
https://twitter.com/MichaelReschke/media
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 15, 2014, 09:14:10 AM
http://indianaeconomicdigest.com/Main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=77505

QuoteProgress on I-69 Section 4 inching along in Monroe County

Michael Reschke, Herald-Times

It's the end of 2014 and Section 4 of Interstate 69 is nowhere near being done.

Where the interstate is supposed to connect to Ind. 37, light poles stand on the edges of a dirt path. Where the highway is supposed to cross over Rockport Road, metal beams stick up into the sky with nothing on top of them. And Harmony Road, which is supposed to cross over the interstate, has a gap in it so large the trucks in the valley below look like toys.

With much of the route still unpaved, it might seem like construction crews have just been pushing dirt around for the past few months. That's actually not too far from the truth, but it's a little more complicated than simply digging and dumping.

When Sections 1 through 3 were opened to traffic at the end of 2012, the Indiana Department of Transportation still expected Section 4 to be finished by December of this year.

"It wasn't an unrealistic goal,"  said Chriss Jobe, construction area engineer for Section 4. "But it was aggressive."

So was the goal for the first three sections, but Mother Nature was a little more cooperative. A historic drought and a mild winter allowed construction to stay on schedule. Crews on Section 4, the 27-mile stretch from Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington, had to cope with an exceptionally wet spring in 2013 followed by some of the coldest temperatures the area has seen in two decades that winter. This year has also been pretty wet, and all that moisture makes building a highway difficult.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 15, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
Bloomington is planning on extending the Bloomington Bypass (currently 45 and 46 on the NE side of Bloomington). They want to 4 lane Fullerton Pike and connect it to Rhorer Road (there is a gap between the two roads now). Then a roundabout is going to be built at Rhorer Road and Sare Road. From there the bypass will go north along Sare Road and meet 46 near the mall.

They are also considering just creating a new two lane road connecting Fullerton Pike and Rhorer Road and just building a new roundabout at Sare Road and Rhorer Road. This would not include 4 laning anything.

Hopefully they build it as a 4 lane road. I think sooner or later they would have to anyways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on December 31, 2014, 01:08:42 PM
Went through Evansville last night, and now there is only one 164 sign up on Veterans Memorial.  The very first one closest to downtown is left next to all the nicer old houses.  The guidance signs have been changed at the 1 mile and 1/2 mile marks.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 01, 2015, 09:12:31 AM
Traveled that way yesterday (through Evansville) and must have missed that 164 shield. It must just be hanging around until someone remembers to get it as I saw no indication that there was any part of I-164 left, despite some thinking that a small stretch of highway would remain that. There was a yellow "End" sign that had the I-164 shield out with no replacement, but probably could have a I-69 shield. Then again that isn't the permanent ending of the highway. Now that I think of it I don't think I saw an "End I-69" shield anywhere. I only went southbound so I couldn't see if there was a "begin" shield.

In other news, I could clearing taking place around Tapp Road and Fullerton Pike along SR 37 so it's only a matter of time before work begins along Section 5. Not much I could see north of SR 48 other than small flags in the median of the highway. Road closures and such begin in January along that stretch of highway. It will be cool to see that stretch develop over the course of the new year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on January 01, 2015, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 01, 2015, 09:12:31 AM
Traveled that way yesterday (through Evansville) and must have missed that 164 shield. It must just be hanging around until someone remembers to get it as I saw no indication that there was any part of I-164 left, despite some thinking that a small stretch of highway would remain that. There was a yellow "End" sign that had the I-164 shield out with no replacement, but probably could have a I-69 shield. Then again that isn't the permanent ending of the highway. Now that I think of it I don't think I saw an "End I-69" shield anywhere. I only went southbound so I couldn't see if there was a "begin" shield.

In other news, I could clearing taking place around Tapp Road and Fullerton Pike along SR 37 so it's only a matter of time before work begins along Section 5. Not much I could see north of SR 48 other than small flags in the median of the highway. Road closures and such begin in January along that stretch of highway. It will be cool to see that stretch develop over the course of the new year.

td-it is just a shield and an arrow pointing towards (former) 164 and is next to a similar 64 shield.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 02, 2015, 12:09:05 AM
As of last week, puttering around Evansville:

New I-69 signs
Some of these photos may be too grainy to show the dirty outline of 164 shields poking out around the new 69 ones.

Eastbound Veterans Memorial Parkway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7468/15548814744_9640757785.jpg)

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8644/15983853720_213d1c5019.jpg)

Lloyd Expwy. eastbound, east of Boeke
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7486/16145378816_9bf52e2ab5.jpg)


Remaining I-164 signs
Newburgh
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7489/16170563702_35fac6c3a5.jpg)

Exiting good old Dress Regional
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7467/15551395983_f4a0fe4a24.jpg)

North Green River Road, heading southbound at the Lloyd
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8656/16171173165_2a1efb80cd.jpg)

Riverside Dr.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8567/15548819524_9dc7f72e81.jpg)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSF on January 02, 2015, 11:31:12 AM
Pete-drove through there at night, you could see from the grime on the old signs where the new additions were made that is for sure. 

and that last pic is the assembly i was talking about.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 02, 2015, 05:48:09 PM
All the 69 shields stand out by their greater reflectivity, the "I-69" mileage patches on the Lloyd even more so.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on January 03, 2015, 12:05:07 AM
I drove through Bloomington today.  As promised by year (2014) end, SR 37 is now on what will be the south bound SR 37 overpass.

I don't have a picture, but there are several sign gantry parts stage on the old south bound lanes.

I69 doesn't have gravel/ pavement /concrete, but the dirt work looks good.

Also, the last few days the project website http://www.i69indyevn.org/ (http://www.i69indyevn.org/) forwards to the Indiana DOT site. None of the old links produce valid pages.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 03, 2015, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: andy on January 03, 2015, 12:05:07 AM
I drove through Bloomington today.  As promised by year (2014) end, SR 37 is now on what will be the south bound SR 37 overpass.

I don't have a picture, but there are several sign gantry parts stage on the old south bound lanes.

I69 doesn't have gravel/ pavement /concrete, but the dirt work looks good.

Also, the last few days the project website http://www.i69indyevn.org/ (http://www.i69indyevn.org/) forwards to the Indiana DOT site. None of the old links produce valid pages.
Is the new overpass 2 lanes wide?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on January 03, 2015, 12:32:54 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 03, 2015, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: andy on January 03, 2015, 12:05:07 AM
I drove through Bloomington today.  As promised by year (2014) end, SR 37 is now on what will be the south bound SR 37 overpass.

I don't have a picture, but there are several sign gantry parts stage on the old south bound lanes.

I69 doesn't have gravel/ pavement /concrete, but the dirt work looks good.

Also, the last few days the project website http://www.i69indyevn.org/ (http://www.i69indyevn.org/) forwards to the Indiana DOT site. None of the old links produce valid pages.
Is the new overpass 2 lanes wide?

Yes. 37 is temporarily two lanes for the construction.

Just east is another overpass for what I presume is 37N to 69S which looks narrower. I was driving, so I didn't get a good look.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 05, 2015, 06:20:00 PM
Quote
With more than 100 karst features between the right of ways along Section 4 of Interstate 69, drainage is a big concern. The Indiana Department of Transportation doesn't want runoff from the construction site...

Drainage big concern in I-69 construction because of karst features along route (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=77806&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=206) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 05, 2015, 09:30:23 PM
From the Evansville Courier-Press site, as reprinted from Bloomington Herald-Times:  States face obstacles in effort to complete I-69 (http://www.courierpress.com/news/i69/states-face-obstacles-in-effort-to-complete-i69_82102039)

Non-Indiana content, but posted here for the photos of I-69 construction at Ind. 37.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on January 07, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
Indiana representative John Price is going to try to get the SR-37 corridor back on the table in Perry Township, Indianapolis. Here's the article from the Indianapolis Star: Bill would let I-69 route use Perry Township (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/01/07/bill-let-route-use-perry-township/21413843/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on January 08, 2015, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on January 07, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
Indiana representative John Price is going to try to get the SR-37 corridor back on the table in Perry Township, Indianapolis.


Here's the article from the Indianapolis Star:


  Bill would let I-69 route use Perry Township (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/01/07/bill-let-route-use-perry-township/21413843/)

Modified by me slightly to fix the embedded link to the Indy Star article.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 08, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
Ugh why do we have to listen to these idiots in government? Let indot put it on the best route without these fools making up invalid excuses.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 08, 2015, 11:48:21 AM
Wouldn't routing 69 to 70 make these businesses lose customers still? And traffic volumes to decrease on 37 to avoid all the congestion?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on January 08, 2015, 12:03:35 PM
At least if 69 went up to 70 it would go by the airport. I always had a feeling 69 would go that way anyways. Why wouldn't you want a NAFTA Superhighway to go by your new international airport? Routing it on 37 would be the better route, but routing it  up to 70 might be the better way to go for international purposes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on January 09, 2015, 11:18:14 AM
Thanks, Anthony. I fixed the link in my original post.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 21, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/route-final-section-i69-changed-77146/

Update on Section 6's route.  Looks like they're going to be doing a full review of the route.

QuoteIndiana Department of Transportation officials say they are keeping their options open when it comes to deciding the route for the final leg of Interstate 69.

When the initial route for I-69 was identified 10 years ago, the interstate's last leg traveled from just south of Martinsville to Indianapolis via State Road 37.

INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield says since then, development and legal concerns have changed.

"So we're going to take a fairly broad view of this corridor between Martinsville and Indianapolis and find the best way to connect I-69 to the rest of the interstate network here in Indiana and do it in a way that minimizes impacts to homes, businesses, to the natural environment and do it in a cost effect way,"  he says.

INDOT is launching a study to determine the environmental impact for the last section of I-69. The entire review process will likely take a two to three years.

Martinsville Mayor Phil Deckard says the news came as a shock.

"We've made so many improvements for our city, working with what we thought was a direction by INDOT, on infrastructure, getting ready to prepare for secondary roads, for access points, land usage and that type of thing,"  he says.

Deckard says he and Martinsville's business leaders will keep reminding INDOT officials of those investments in hopes that the road will be built through the city.

This interview with Bloomington mayor Mark Kruzan  (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/mayor-bloomingtons-mark-kruzan-10-77144/)says that Tapp Road will be closed in Bloomington starting in March, so that should be the start of the heavy Section 5 construction.

QuoteHren: We've reported on road funding, INDOT asked for at least $100 million per year to fix the state's roads and bridges, are there any big road projects coming up in Bloomington this year?

Kruzan: There are a number of projects, but a lot of them are I-69 related projects. The first thing you'll see is Tapp Road being closed in March. You're going to see a tremendous increase overnight in congestion on existing roads. Then all the bike ped amenities with connectivity between east and west parts of town after I-69 is in and INDOT has been great to work with on that issue. The other huge one for us is Vernal Pike is going to be closed off. An overpass will be built instead of having an intersection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 21, 2015, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: thefro on January 21, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/route-final-section-i69-changed-77146/

Update on Section 6's route.  Looks like they're going to be doing a full review of the route.

QuoteIndiana Department of Transportation officials say they are keeping their options open when it comes to deciding the route for the final leg of Interstate 69.

When the initial route for I-69 was identified 10 years ago, the interstate's last leg traveled from just south of Martinsville to Indianapolis via State Road 37.

INDOT spokesman Will Wingfield says since then, development and legal concerns have changed.

"So we're going to take a fairly broad view of this corridor between Martinsville and Indianapolis and find the best way to connect I-69 to the rest of the interstate network here in Indiana and do it in a way that minimizes impacts to homes, businesses, to the natural environment and do it in a cost effect way,"  he says.

INDOT is launching a study to determine the environmental impact for the last section of I-69. The entire review process will likely take a two to three years.

Martinsville Mayor Phil Deckard says the news came as a shock.

"We've made so many improvements for our city, working with what we thought was a direction by INDOT, on infrastructure, getting ready to prepare for secondary roads, for access points, land usage and that type of thing,"  he says.

Deckard says he and Martinsville's business leaders will keep reminding INDOT officials of those investments in hopes that the road will be built through the city.

This interview with Bloomington mayor Mark Kruzan  (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/mayor-bloomingtons-mark-kruzan-10-77144/)says that Tapp Road will be closed in Bloomington starting in March, so that should be the start of the heavy Section 5 construction.

QuoteHren: We've reported on road funding, INDOT asked for at least $100 million per year to fix the state's roads and bridges, are there any big road projects coming up in Bloomington this year?

Kruzan: There are a number of projects, but a lot of them are I-69 related projects. The first thing you'll see is Tapp Road being closed in March. You're going to see a tremendous increase overnight in congestion on existing roads. Then all the bike ped amenities with connectivity between east and west parts of town after I-69 is in and INDOT has been great to work with on that issue. The other huge one for us is Vernal Pike is going to be closed off. An overpass will be built instead of having an intersection.
I hope the martinsville mayor can successfully fight to have the highway stay on 37 like it ought to. I wonder what greenwood has to say about this idea to make it connect to the airport
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 18, 2015, 03:55:43 PM
Bill to allow I-69 to be routed through Perry Township passes through Indiana Roads & Transportation Committee (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/marion-county/2015/02/18/bill-allow-perry-township-moves-forward/23612767/)

QuoteAn Indiana House committee approved a bill today that would clear the way for construction of Interstate 69 through Perry Township.

The 8-1 vote by the Roads and Transportation Committee would override a law passed by the legislature in 2004 that prohibited the route from cutting through the Southside township in Marion County.

The measure now moves to the senate for consideration.

Committee Chairman Ed Soliday R-Valparaiso said the 2004 law violated the state constitution prohibition on lawmakers deciding where roads should be built. That decision should be left to the state department of transportation, he said.

"If we were to pass bills that said where roads could and could not be built this would be endless and we would never get anything done,"  he said.

Good news... with a strong result there I would think this should go on to pass through the whole legislature.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 18, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
Good news.  I also didn't know Interstate 37 went through Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 18, 2015, 05:51:32 PM
Must be some really long concurrency along I-37 with I-35, I-44, I-64 and I-69, finally connecting San Antonio with Oklahoma City, St. Louis and Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on February 19, 2015, 10:29:02 AM
Didn't you hear the big plan for I-37 to go through the western side of Illinois??? :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on February 20, 2015, 06:12:44 PM
I haven't seen any posts about 2 public meetings coming up next week about Section 6 of the project, so here goes. According to the Future I-69 Facebook page:
Quote[(February 20, 2015) "The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) will host two public meetings regarding Interstate 69 Section 6 (Martinsville to Indianapolis). The first meeting will take place on Monday, February 23, 2015 at Center Grove High School, 2717 S. Morgantown Rd. in Greenwood. The second meeting will occur on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at Martinsville High School, 1360 E. Gray St. in Martinsville. Doors will open for both meetings at 5:30 p.m. with an open house session, followed by a formal presentation and public comment session in the high-school auditorium at 6:30 p.m. The meetings will provide information about the scope of the second phase (Tier 2) of a two-part environmental-impact study that began in 1999 to determine a selected route for I-69 Section 6. The second phase, required by federal law, will study the route aligned with State Road 37, which was selected in 2004 during the first phase (Tier 1) of the environmental study. Due to the potential for significant impacts or changed conditions since 2004, this second phase may study a range of different routes. The public may submit comments in advance of the meeting. Those comments can be submitted using the comment form at www.in.gov/indot projects/i69/2463.htm, or by contacting I-69 Section 6 directly at 317-881-6408 or section6pm@indot.in.gov..."quote]
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 20, 2015, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: theline on February 20, 2015, 06:12:44 PM
I haven't seen any posts about 2 public meetings coming up next week about Section 6 of the project, so here goes. According to the Future I-69 Facebook page:
Quote[(February 20, 2015) "The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) will host two public meetings regarding Interstate 69 Section 6 (Martinsville to Indianapolis). The first meeting will take place on Monday, February 23, 2015 at Center Grove High School, 2717 S. Morgantown Rd. in Greenwood. The second meeting will occur on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at Martinsville High School, 1360 E. Gray St. in Martinsville. Doors will open for both meetings at 5:30 p.m. with an open house session, followed by a formal presentation and public comment session in the high-school auditorium at 6:30 p.m. The meetings will provide information about the scope of the second phase (Tier 2) of a two-part environmental-impact study that began in 1999 to determine a selected route for I-69 Section 6. The second phase, required by federal law, will study the route aligned with State Road 37, which was selected in 2004 during the first phase (Tier 1) of the environmental study. Due to the potential for significant impacts or changed conditions since 2004, this second phase may study a range of different routes. The public may submit comments in advance of the meeting. Those comments can be submitted using the comment form at www.in.gov/indot projects/i69/2463.htm, or by contacting I-69 Section 6 directly at 317-881-6408 or section6pm@indot.in.gov..."quote]
What exactly has changed along 37 that would necessitate a new alignment?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 23, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 20, 2015, 06:14:38 PM
What exactly has changed along 37 that would necessitate a new alignment?

Right now there's a state law on the books banning I-69 going through Perry Township.  That'll hopefully be repealed soon.

They still have to do through the Tier II process to decide on the final alignment, so they're reexamining the route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 24, 2015, 09:10:08 AM
Here's a few articles from the first public meeting last night on Section 6:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/02/23/officials-update-public-plan/23900621/
http://fox59.com/2015/02/23/indot-holds-community-meeting-for-i-69-proposal-connecting-martinsville-to-indy/
http://wishtv.com/2015/02/23/i-69-public-hearings-get-underway/

QuoteAccording to INDOT, it's still early in the game – State Road 37 was identified 10 years ago and it still remains to be seen if it's the best route.

"Have there been increased homes and businesses that would be impacted? Are there other changed conditions we need to know about?"  asked INDOT spokesperson Will Wingfield.

INDOT plans to hold several public hearings over the next two to three years on the route known as Section 6. The question, however, is it still the most likely route?

"We can say for certain that State Road 37 will be analyzed – it was the corridor identified in the tier one,"  said Wingfield. "If there are changes or increased impacts, since the decision was issued in 2004, then we may look at corridors outside the alignment."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 24, 2015, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: thefro on February 24, 2015, 09:10:08 AM
Here's a few articles from the first public meeting last night on Section 6:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/02/23/officials-update-public-plan/23900621/
http://fox59.com/2015/02/23/indot-holds-community-meeting-for-i-69-proposal-connecting-martinsville-to-indy/
http://wishtv.com/2015/02/23/i-69-public-hearings-get-underway/

QuoteAccording to INDOT, it's still early in the game – State Road 37 was identified 10 years ago and it still remains to be seen if it's the best route.

"Have there been increased homes and businesses that would be impacted? Are there other changed conditions we need to know about?"  asked INDOT spokesperson Will Wingfield.

INDOT plans to hold several public hearings over the next two to three years on the route known as Section 6. The question, however, is it still the most likely route?

"We can say for certain that State Road 37 will be analyzed – it was the corridor identified in the tier one,"  said Wingfield. "If there are changes or increased impacts, since the decision was issued in 2004, then we may look at corridors outside the alignment."

I really feel like INDOT is just saying 37 is "just maybe" the best route to not piss off people in perry township, when internally they know it's really the best route. if you overlay 69 on 67 instead it will cost more with another bridge over the white river and the amount of development is different along that corridor.  Not to mention the proximity to 70 where it would tie into 465.  Plus a new terrain route would be way more expensive.  I fail to see how 37 is not the best route out off all alternatives other than NIMBY.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on February 24, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
Wouldn't the cheapest route actually be along the IN 39 corridor to I-70, then overlapping I-70 to I-465?  That route involves at least 10-15 fewer centerline miles of pavement.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 24, 2015, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 24, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
Wouldn't the cheapest route actually be along the IN 39 corridor to I-70, then overlapping I-70 to I-465?  That route involves at least 10-15 fewer centerline miles of pavement.
Possibly but the white river bridge could cancel most of that out
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 24, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
Has anyone driven SR 39 from Monrovia down to Martinsville. It gets pretty hilly pretty quick. Parts of SR 67 north of Martinsville gets hillier than SR 37 north of Martinsville. Basically you're doing parts of Section 4 new terrain over again. My father was talking to me today about an idea he had about just routing the highway east across Johnson County to I-65, which would probably have to be eight lanes up to Indy if the highways are merged. He was looking at a Northern Kentucky scenario with 71/75. Of course, like most here I would guess, I favor leaving it on SR 37. I still don't see how it's any different than the work being done on US 31 up around Westfield.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 24, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 24, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
Has anyone driven SR 39 from Monrovia down to Martinsville. It gets pretty hilly pretty quick. Parts of SR 67 north of Martinsville gets hillier than SR 37 north of Martinsville. Basically you're doing parts of Section 4 new terrain over again. My father was talking to me today about an idea he had about just routing the highway east across Johnson County to I-65, which would probably have to be eight lanes up to Indy if the highways are merged. He was looking at a Northern Kentucky scenario with 71/75. Of course, like most here I would guess, I favor leaving it on SR 37. I still don't see how it's any different than the work being done on US 31 up around Westfield.
It isn't the only difference is the people and businesses along 31 wanted the highway with very very few being against it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 25, 2015, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 24, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
Wouldn't the cheapest route actually be along the IN 39 corridor to I-70, then overlapping I-70 to I-465?  That route involves at least 10-15 fewer centerline miles of pavement.

SR 39 is a 2-lane road after SR 67 splits off whereas SR 37 is already an expressway.  You'd basically be doing a new terrain interstate through that stretch as I doubt much of the existing road could be reused (as tdindy mentions, it's hilly).

Quote from: tdindy88 on February 24, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
Has anyone driven SR 39 from Monrovia down to Martinsville. It gets pretty hilly pretty quick. Parts of SR 67 north of Martinsville gets hillier than SR 37 north of Martinsville. Basically you're doing parts of Section 4 new terrain over again. My father was talking to me today about an idea he had about just routing the highway east across Johnson County to I-65, which would probably have to be eight lanes up to Indy if the highways are merged. He was looking at a Northern Kentucky scenario with 71/75. Of course, like most here I would guess, I favor leaving it on SR 37. I still don't see how it's any different than the work being done on US 31 up around Westfield.

You'd probably have to cut through south of Franklin as US 31 is heavily developed from Franklin all the way through to Indianapolis.  There's about a half mile of farmland in between the outskirts of Whiteland and the outskirts of Franklin.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on February 25, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
How would they deal with the at-grades and private driveways on IN 37?  Being from NY, new terrain interstate construction is the ONLY kind of interstate construction I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 25, 2015, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
How would they deal with the at-grades and private driveways on IN 37?  Being from NY, new terrain interstate construction is the ONLY kind of interstate construction I'm familiar with.

i would think they would create frontage roads
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on February 25, 2015, 11:25:35 PM
I was able to get to the Martinsville meeting today.  Most of it was predictable.

They did state the plan is for various meetings and studies leading up to an FEIS in early 2018.  All recommendation were invited, but they stated the Tier one recommendation of the IN37 route will be carried forward until the FEIS is released. I suppose that will fire up the "fix is in" minded folks, but I suspect that is required by the nature of the two tier study process.

The moderator also acknowledged a lot of development has occurred in the 10 years since the Tier 1 study was completed.  Personally, I think those developers knew the risk, so I wouldn't shed a tear for them.

Much of the public comments for alternatives seemed to favor some variation of turning north at Martinsville and connection to I-70. I think I've seen that discussed somewhere. ;)

The graphics (which hopefully will be posted on the INDOT site soon) indicated some type of double exchange at I-465 with a new one east of the existing one. One of the facilitators I talked to acknowledged the current interchange is troublesome as it exist now.

Also, there was an comment and acknowledgment that part of this alignment will have to be elevated to escape the 100 year flood plain.  This area has flooded recently (8 or 10 years ago??, I don't recall when).

Finally, there is significant construction on section 5 in the area of Sample Rd.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
How would they deal with the at-grades and private driveways on IN 37?  Being from NY, new terrain interstate construction is the ONLY kind of interstate construction I'm familiar with.
NY 27 isn't an Interstate, but who cares?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on February 26, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
How would they deal with the at-grades and private driveways on IN 37?  Being from NY, new terrain interstate construction is the ONLY kind of interstate construction I'm familiar with.
NY 27 isn't an Interstate, but who cares?
Why is it that every time that I draw from my upstate experiences that Long Island managed to prove itself more different from the rest of the state that I could have possibly imagined?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on February 27, 2015, 09:23:10 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 26, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
How would they deal with the at-grades and private driveways on IN 37?  Being from NY, new terrain interstate construction is the ONLY kind of interstate construction I'm familiar with.
NY 27 isn't an Interstate, but who cares?
Why is it that every time that I draw from my upstate experiences that Long Island managed to prove itself more different from the rest of the state that I could have possibly imagined?

I tend to agree that new terrain is almost always better, but this case may be one of those exceptions.
First, developers have known (should have) that this was coming for years.
Though it does have at grade intersections, IN-37 was built for relatively limited access.
Because it passes through flood plains, there are stretches that are not over-developed.
Even the developed areas as it approaches 465 are relatively lightly developed compared to anywhere else they can put it.
And finally, IN-37 should have been updated years ago.

Edit:

I forgot, for potential exchanges, see page 12 of this presentation;
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_PublicScopingMeeting_022015.pdf (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_PublicScopingMeeting_022015.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 27, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
I never understood why after all these years the 465/37 interchange is still a diamond. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on February 27, 2015, 10:44:31 AM
Something always
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 27, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
I never understood why after all these years the 465/37 interchange is still a diamond. 
Something always gets overlooked someplace.  This could be a result of this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 27, 2015, 10:49:01 AM

Quote from: roadman65 on February 27, 2015, 10:44:31 AM
Something always
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 27, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
I never understood why after all these years the 465/37 interchange is still a diamond. 
Something always gets overlooked someplace.  This could be a result of this.

I think that's exactly it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on February 27, 2015, 12:38:06 PM
Quotedevelopers should have known better

The developers did know better, but they didn't care because for the most part they're not the ones who lose.  As I understand it, developers sell the land they develop (this is obvious in the context of houses) and then the buyer, who often isn't so well informed of the pending highway project at the time of purchase, has to fight the highway, litigate for fair compensation, and/or eventually eat the (sentimental if not financial) loss when the state takes the property.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on February 27, 2015, 06:04:06 PM
Quote from: andy on February 27, 2015, 09:23:10 AM
Edit:

I forgot, for potential exchanges, see page 12 of this presentation;
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_PublicScopingMeeting_022015.pdf (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_PublicScopingMeeting_022015.pdf)
Off the subject, but . . .
Am I interpreting the map right? Does it indicate that a future runway for Indy Int'l is planned for south of I-70? That's interesting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 27, 2015, 06:14:11 PM
When I-70 was rebuilt south of the airport I believe it was lowered a little bit so that a taxiway could be built to connect to this future runway if it ever happened.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on February 27, 2015, 07:56:16 PM
Quote from: theline on February 27, 2015, 06:04:06 PM
Off the subject, but . . .
Am I interpreting the map right? Does it indicate that a future runway for Indy Int'l is planned for south of I-70? That's interesting.

That's another thing I forgot to mention.  Yes, it does show a potential runway. Best I understand, the airport has purchased that land for a future runway. I know the weather service moved their radar a few years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 28, 2015, 08:33:45 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150224/news/302249876/

Indiana House passed the bill to allow Section 6 in Perry Township by 81-11, moves to the Indiana Senate now.

Quote from: andy on February 27, 2015, 09:23:10 AM
I forgot, for potential exchanges, see page 12 of this presentation;
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_PublicScopingMeeting_022015.pdf (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_PublicScopingMeeting_022015.pdf)

SR 39 - Basically has to be there and I think it's fairly close to standards already.  Might need to get an exemption like with Walnut Street in Bloomington
Ohio Street - Will need access roads for some Martinsville businesses otherwise that are south of the Interstate, but the interchange would displace some businesses.  Could see this going either way.
SR 252 - Needed for sure, provides access to a few state highways
Egbert Rd - Maybe for future development?  But I couldn't even tell you where this is.
SR 144 -  Needed for access for Mooresville/Bargersville/Franklin
Smith Valley Road - Provides access to Greenwood & cut-through to I-65.  Easiest to fit an interchange in here of the 3 suburban exits
County Line Road - More Greenwood access to the N. Side and Greenwood Park Mall.
Southport Road - Fairly developed, but you'd be causing major traffic flow issues without an interchange here.

If you wanted to be cheap, you might be able to get away with only having exits at 2 out of the 3 of Smith Valley/County Line/Southport Road, but you probably need all 3 considering the growth of that area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: billtm on March 01, 2015, 05:43:44 PM
It looks like there is a gravel pit in the way where I-69 is supposed to connect to I-465.
Gravel pits that I've seen seem really deep. So would they build a bridge over it? Or are there ways to fill it up without making the ground the road is being paved over unstable? :confused:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 01, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
I seem to recall from way back when the 164 was built over a trash pit, so U am sure there exists a methodology to handle it
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 01, 2015, 07:16:04 PM
It would be very expensive but they could do it
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on March 01, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
If they could build I-80/294 over that huge open-pit mine south of Chicago, they could surely build I-69 over a gravel pit. Whether the interchange with I-465 ever gets build there or not is another question.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 01, 2015, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: jhuntin1 on March 01, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
If they could build I-80/294 over that huge open-pit mine south of Chicago, they could surely build I-69 over a gravel pit. Whether the interchange with I-465 ever gets build there or not is another question.

That was the first thing I thought of, but I didn't know if the road was built through that quarry, or the quarry dug around it. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 01, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
Looks like the quarry existed but was a lot shallower when the Tri-State was built across it: http://historicaerials.com?layer=1962&zoom=16&lat=41.57946576098056&lon=-87.61736154556274
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on March 02, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 01, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
Looks like the quarry existed but was a lot shallower when the Tri-State was built across it:
http://historicaerials.com?layer=1962&zoom=16&lat=41.57946576098056&lon=-87.61736154556274 (http://historicaerials.com?layer=1962&zoom=16&lat=41.57946576098056&lon=-87.61736154556274)

Bad link, but fixed above. I always wondered about that quarry. Mystery solved.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 02, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
The gravel pit is north of I-465, so the only thing that may go over it might be flyover ramps to connect with I-69 to the south. There's that lake south of the highway but that's about it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on March 02, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
Any speculation why the presentation shows a second exchange on 465 being built east of the existing Harding St exchange?  Might this be an attempt to avoid the issues west of the existing interchange such as the gravel pit?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 02, 2015, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: andy on March 02, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
Any speculation why the presentation shows a second exchange on 465 being built east of the existing Harding St exchange?  Might this be an attempt to avoid the issues west of the existing interchange such as the gravel pit?
The original map showed an interchange west of harding St. I guess they changed it to being east of harding.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: billtm on March 03, 2015, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 02, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
The gravel pit is north of I-465, so the only thing that may go over it might be flyover ramps to connect with I-69 to the south. There's that lake south of the highway but that's about it.
I'm pretty sure that lake used to be a gravel pit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on March 13, 2015, 05:11:40 PM
Quote from: theline on March 02, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 01, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
Looks like the quarry existed but was a lot shallower when the Tri-State was built across it:
http://historicaerials.com?layer=1962&zoom=16&lat=41.57946576098056&lon=-87.61736154556274 (http://historicaerials.com?layer=1962&zoom=16&lat=41.57946576098056&lon=-87.61736154556274)

Bad link, but fixed above. I always wondered about that quarry. Mystery solved.

It was shallower.  In addition, the MWRD has been making the Thornton Quarry deeper and larger as it need to be bigger to hold the water they intend to pump into it during storm events.  Imagine what the quarry will look like after the Deep Tunnel Project is complete and it is used for stormwater.  You'd be driving between what appear to be two large lakes on Tri-State.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on March 14, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
On another topic, I wonder when INDOT will repair the several BGS that blew down in Gibson county in November 2013? I traveled to Evansville today and noticed at least three are still missing, with at least one still laying on the ground. Going on a year and a half seems completely unreasonable to still not be repaired, imo. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 14, 2015, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on March 14, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
On another topic, I wonder when INDOT will repair the several BGS that blew down in Gibson county in November 2013? I traveled to Evansville today and noticed at least three are still missing, with at least one still laying on the ground. Going on a year and a half seems completely unreasonable to still not be repaired, imo.
This is a problem allover the state. Us 31 in kokomo has a lot plus 421 and 465 have a few as well. And its been a while since they've been knocked down
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on March 16, 2015, 07:11:18 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 14, 2015, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on March 14, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
On another topic, I wonder when INDOT will repair the several BGS that blew down in Gibson county in November 2013? I traveled to Evansville today and noticed at least three are still missing, with at least one still laying on the ground. Going on a year and a half seems completely unreasonable to still not be repaired, imo.
This is a problem allover the state. Us 31 in kokomo has a lot plus 421 and 465 have a few as well. And its been a while since they've been knocked down

INDOT just released updated post standards last week to deal with the larger signs.  Not that it is a reason for the signs to be laying down for over a year, but hopefully they've addressed the underlying issues by revising the standards.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on April 07, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
It has yet to be voted on in the full Senate, but the Indiana legislature is moving forward a bill that would allow construction on the IN-37 corridor through Marion County.

Indianapolis Star link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 07, 2015, 01:39:11 PM
It'll be interesting to see what those who do business along the existing road have to say to it, strong freeway opposition aside. I seriously don't think that simply upgrading the highway to freeway standards will hurt their businesses, because there are many frontage roads along Interstates that serve similar business establishments.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on April 07, 2015, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 07, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
It has yet to be voted on in the full Senate, but the Indiana legislature is moving forward a bill that would allow construction on the IN-37 corridor through Marion County.

Indianapolis Star link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/)

Some of the folks objecting to the SR-37 route seem to have a lot of knowledge that even INDOT doesn't have:
QuoteTom Little, superintendent of Perry Township schools, said the highway would restrict school bus access across the route and increase students' time on buses to as long as one hour and 20 minutes because the number of streets crossing the corridor would decrease from nine to two.

The route has not been selected, and which roads will get an overpass or underpass certainly hasn't been decided.

They will have plenty of opportunity to provide input as the process works itself out. They are choosing the wrong forum (the legislature) for their arguments. INDOT has a history of responsiveness to citizens' legitimate concerns.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 07, 2015, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: theline on April 07, 2015, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 07, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
It has yet to be voted on in the full Senate, but the Indiana legislature is moving forward a bill that would allow construction on the IN-37 corridor through Marion County.

Indianapolis Star link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/)

Some of the folks objecting to the SR-37 route seem to have a lot of knowledge that even INDOT doesn't have:
QuoteTom Little, superintendent of Perry Township schools, said the highway would restrict school bus access across the route and increase students' time on buses to as long as one hour and 20 minutes because the number of streets crossing the corridor would decrease from nine to two.

The route has not been selected, and which roads will get an overpass or underpass certainly hasn't been decided.

They will have plenty of opportunity to provide input as the process works itself out. They are choosing the wrong forum (the legislature) for their arguments. INDOT has a history of responsiveness to citizens' legitimate concerns.
You are right, the superintendent is talking out of his ass on this issue, you can't say anything about access when the entire corridor hasn't even been designed. And his delays he claims are also unfounded. If you look at the corridor there is no reason why all cross streets can't cross the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 07, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
Never stopped me from attending Perry Township schools, I had to cross Interstate 65 every day. And only two crossings? I see Banta, Edgewood, Southport, Wicker and County Line, more than two to me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Indyroads on April 08, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
The pathway has been CLEARED for I-69 to proceed up SR-37 through marion county

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DeaconG on April 08, 2015, 06:01:15 PM
^^^Excellent!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on April 09, 2015, 07:08:13 AM
Quote from: Indyroads on April 08, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
The pathway has been CLEARED for I-69 to proceed up SR-37 through marion county

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/

The take away I got from the article is that it allows IN 37 to be an alternative to be considered in determining the route of I-69, not that it will definitely use IN 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 09, 2015, 07:32:24 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 09, 2015, 07:08:13 AM
Quote from: Indyroads on April 08, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
The pathway has been CLEARED for I-69 to proceed up SR-37 through marion county

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/04/07/panel-clears-way-path-along-ind/25409707/

The take away I got from the article is that it allows IN 37 to be an alternative to be considered in determining the route of I-69, not that it will definitely use IN 37.
I feel like its almost certainly going over 37. No alternative really makes any sense, they're just saying all this so they won't piss off people on the corridor anymore. It honestly doesn't matter which route they take, someone is going to get pissed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 09, 2015, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 09, 2015, 07:32:24 AM
I feel like its almost certainly going over 37. No alternative really makes any sense, they're just saying all this so they won't piss off people on the corridor anymore. It honestly doesn't matter which route they take, someone is going to get pissed.

According to NEPA regulations, "all reasonable alternatives" must be considered and the premature rejection of an alternative could be the basis for a lawsuit.  So could undue legislative influence, if it could be shown that a chosen route was otherwise inferior to one that was superior but for the fact that the legislature didn't allow it to be considered.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Indyroads on April 09, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
there also needs to be a relaxing of some of the requirements of EIS reports and studies. No one cares about snail darters and sand fly habitats. these supposed protections seem to be fodder for endless lawsuits that are really NIMBY motivated.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 09, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on April 09, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
there also needs to be a relaxing of some of the requirements of EIS reports and studies. No one cares about snail darters and sand fly habitats. these supposed protections seem to be fodder for endless lawsuits that are really NIMBY motivated.
I believe that's why the small gap on us 31 in Benton harbor Michigan hasn't been filled. Lawsuit about some butterflies or something.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on April 10, 2015, 02:10:30 AM
I would like to at least see a significant amount/impact assigned and considered for the projected deaths due to lack of upgrade.  I have a road in San Diego, CA 67 from lakeside to Ramona that has statistically become the most dangerous rad in the state some years 15-20 people die, but any improvements can't get past enviro muster.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on April 13, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
The legislature passed the bill allowing I-69 to use SR-37 in Marion County and it now heads to Governor Pence's desk. No indications of whether he'll sign it or not, but I don't know why he wouldn't.

IndyStar link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/bill-allowing-cut-perry-township-heads-pence/25740679/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/bill-allowing-cut-perry-township-heads-pence/25740679/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 13, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 13, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
The legislature passed the bill allowing I-69 to use SR-37 in Marion County and it now heads to Governor Pence's desk. No indications of whether he'll sign it or not, but I don't know why he wouldn't.

IndyStar link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/bill-allowing-cut-perry-township-heads-pence/25740679/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/bill-allowing-cut-perry-township-heads-pence/25740679/)
After the most recent controversy, I feel he doesn't want to have another one on his hands. He should sign it (I hope)!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 14, 2015, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 13, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 13, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
The legislature passed the bill allowing I-69 to use SR-37 in Marion County and it now heads to Governor Pence's desk. No indications of whether he'll sign it or not, but I don't know why he wouldn't.

IndyStar link: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/bill-allowing-cut-perry-township-heads-pence/25740679/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/bill-allowing-cut-perry-township-heads-pence/25740679/)
After the most recent controversy, I feel he doesn't want to have another one on his hands. He should sign it (I hope)!
I'd be surprised if he didn't do it! Since there's no other way around it, it's an absolute must.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on April 14, 2015, 01:29:14 PM
Is there any update on section 4's completion date. The Indiana I69 page hasn't been updated in a while
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 14, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: truejd on April 14, 2015, 01:29:14 PM
Is there any update on section 4's completion date. The Indiana I69 page hasn't been updated in a while

Later this year  (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2370.htm)is still the only time frame INDOT has given.

QuoteSection 4 is currently under construction and is slated to open to traffic in 2015.

Here's the updated completion percentages as of yesterday (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/images/Section_4_ConstructionMap.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Indyroads on April 14, 2015, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on April 10, 2015, 02:10:30 AM
I would like to at least see a significant amount/impact assigned and considered for the projected deaths due to lack of upgrade.  I have a road in San Diego, CA 67 from lakeside to Ramona that has statistically become the most dangerous rad in the state some years 15-20 people die, but any improvements can't get past enviro muster.

The enviros have long been a problem in California. I call them freeway killers. The gap closure for SR-65 (eastside freeeway) killed by special interests and enviros. SR-244 (a much needed link across town to us 50 killed by nimbys and enviros. even SR-102 was ultimately killed by the same. Not even sure that the placer porkway will ever be built but i remember the enviros had a field day with that one too. Every time California has tried to make progress in dealing with congestion the enviros get in the way.

You can't stop the sprawl in California because so many people want to live there.

Here in Indiana sprawl occurs because people dont want to live in the older decrepid areas. Indy needs a facelift. But alas the nimbys would get in the way. The expressway plan of long ago should have been built... and TONS of roads in indy need to be widened.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 14, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on April 14, 2015, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on April 10, 2015, 02:10:30 AM
I would like to at least see a significant amount/impact assigned and considered for the projected deaths due to lack of upgrade.  I have a road in San Diego, CA 67 from lakeside to Ramona that has statistically become the most dangerous rad in the state some years 15-20 people die, but any improvements can't get past enviro muster.

The enviros have long been a problem in California. I call them freeway killers. The gap closure for SR-65 (eastside freeeway) killed by special interests and enviros. SR-244 (a much needed link across town to us 50 killed by nimbys and enviros. even SR-102 was ultimately killed by the same. Not even sure that the placer porkway will ever be built but i remember the enviros had a field day with that one too. Every time California has tried to make progress in dealing with congestion the enviros get in the way.

You can't stop the sprawl in California because so many people want to live there.

Here in Indiana sprawl occurs because people dont want to live in the older decrepid areas. Indy needs a facelift. But alas the nimbys would get in the way. The expressway plan of long ago should have been built... and TONS of roads in indy need to be widened.

Environmentalists are so full of crap, they claim they care so much about the environment, but don't seem to care about how not doing these project actually hurts the environment even more.  The added congestion created by not doing anything will lead to worse air quality and more smog, which would harm human health, not to mention the amount of people killed due to inaction in so many situations
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 14, 2015, 05:12:54 PM
Indy roads, I also agree with your assessment about indianapolis, all of the congestion problems are concentrated on the east side, which just so happens to be the same side of town where Fishers and Noblesville is.  The highway the NIMBYS killed I-69 inside the loop would be greatly needed right now!  Recently Allisonville road should was going to be widened to 4 lanes from 82nd south to Binford, but NIMBYS killed that too.  In a perfect world, Keystone would be I-X70 and Binford would be I-69.  Indianapolis' big problem is just as you said, no one wants to live in the city anymore (well outside the loop they do), so they move to the suburbs.  Indianapolis' city streets are in bad condition in many ways.  In many ways I think Unigov was a bad idea, but that was way before my time.  I also heard that the 69 interchange with 465 was purposely not fixed because politicians feared that it would attract more people and traffic to the area (not sure how true that is, just a rumor I heard)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 14, 2015, 09:48:35 PM
Not quite sure if I've ever heard of Fishers and Noblesville being on the "east side" of town. Of course, once I-69 gets extended up to I-465, presumably up SR 37, then that will add even more traffic along that stretch of highway. They'll have to make 465 ten lanes from I-70 to I-69 and at least eight lanes along the southern part of the beltway up to I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on April 15, 2015, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on April 14, 2015, 04:37:35 PM
You can't stop the sprawl in California because so many people want to live there.
The drought might take care of that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 02 Park Ave on April 15, 2015, 10:30:46 PM
I've read that the UNHCR has developed plans for the ultimate evacuation of California.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on April 22, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 09, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
Quote from: Indyroads on April 09, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
there also needs to be a relaxing of some of the requirements of EIS reports and studies. No one cares about snail darters and sand fly habitats. these supposed protections seem to be fodder for endless lawsuits that are really NIMBY motivated.
I believe that's why the small gap on us 31 in Benton harbor Michigan hasn't been filled. Lawsuit about some butterflies or something.

They tried that bullshit to stop the I-355 extension with a dragonfly.  That is, until everyone else wised up and realized that the dragonfly inhabits the entire Des Plaines River Valley, not just the area where the I-355 bridge was going to be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 27, 2015, 11:49:26 AM
http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2015/04/i-69-development-partners-host-open-house-on-section.php

Open House on Section 5 progress Wednesday in Bloomington
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 29, 2015, 09:10:08 AM
Bloomington Herald-Times article on construction beginning on Section 5 (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/ind-about-to-be-transformed-by-i--construction/article_4f3876c0-ed1c-5050-ab9a-eff1b70b28c3.html) (mainly behind paywall), and photo gallery (free) (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/i--section-begins-construction/collection_9a55abac-ede8-11e4-baa7-e7529084c574.html).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 29, 2015, 01:39:01 PM
And that's just the beginning! I have a feeling that most, if not all, of IN 37 will be redone into I-69 from Bloomington to Indy, because where else could you put it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 29, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 29, 2015, 01:39:01 PM
And that's just the beginning! I have a feeling that most, if not all, of IN 37 will be redone into I-69 from Bloomington to Indy, because where else could you put it?

that's the only way you really can.  I know people would disagree with me, but any other routing is a bad idea, I really feel like INDOT is going in the same direction.  I know that they are mandated by law to have alternatives, but I feel like it's just a formality, they know they want it on 37, they're just going through the ropes for the other routes.  the other route i can picture would be using SR 67, but tying it in at where it crosses 465 would be a disaster due to the proximity to 70, rush hour weaving issues come to mind.  Other idea are to tie it in at the airport interchange, I don't like either of those ideas, but these are just my feelings on the subject.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 04, 2015, 10:08:30 AM
The bill removing the restriction on I-69 being built in Perry Township in Marion County was signed into law by Gov Pence on Thursday (https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1036).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 04, 2015, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: thefro on May 04, 2015, 10:08:30 AM
The bill allowing removing the restriction on I-69 being built in Perry Township in Marion County was signed into law by Gov Pence on Thursday (https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1036).

that's great news
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 06, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
I was just reading up on the website for Section 5 of I-69 that the interchanges at Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road and Sample Road will now feature roundabouts. I guess that's a fine choice given the growth of such intersections in the Bloomington area. At least they are leaving the SR 45 and SR 48 interchanges alone. I am also kind of impressed by the aesthetic choices being made along the highway with some of the bridges being designed and whatnot. For a community that didn't really want the interstate (or at least it seemed) they are going to have the prettiest interstate in all of Indiana.

One other note, I guess my dad's going to one of the Section 6 meetings being held in a week or so. I'm not sure if I can tag along but I'd be interested in hearing what's being said, now that the law banning the highway in Perry Township has been repealed. Like others here, I'm pretty confident the intestate will eventually follow 37 up to 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on May 07, 2015, 07:03:03 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 06, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
I was just reading up on the website for Section 5 of I-69 that the interchanges at Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road and Sample Road will now feature roundabouts. I guess that's a fine choice given the growth of such intersections in the Bloomington area. At least they are leaving the SR 45 and SR 48 interchanges alone. I am also kind of impressed by the aesthetic choices being made along the highway with some of the bridges being designed and whatnot. For a community that didn't really want the interstate (or at least it seemed) they are going to have the prettiest interstate in all of Indiana.

It seems like INDOT has fallen in love with roundabouts at the connecting roads at diamond interchanges as of late. See US 31 north of Indy and I-69 Exit 317 north of Fort Wayne.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 07, 2015, 07:06:20 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 07, 2015, 07:03:03 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 06, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
I was just reading up on the website for Section 5 of I-69 that the interchanges at Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road and Sample Road will now feature roundabouts. I guess that's a fine choice given the growth of such intersections in the Bloomington area. At least they are leaving the SR 45 and SR 48 interchanges alone. I am also kind of impressed by the aesthetic choices being made along the highway with some of the bridges being designed and whatnot. For a community that didn't really want the interstate (or at least it seemed) they are going to have the prettiest interstate in all of Indiana.

It seems like INDOT has fallen in love with roundabouts at the connecting roads at diamond interchanges as of late. See US 31 north of Indy and I-69 Exit 317 north of Fort Wayne.

31 is carmel's fault, but INDOT's policy now is to consider alternate intersections for all new construction, so traffic lights and stop signs will be considered last. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on May 07, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
Roundabouts are springing up all over the state, even in projects that don't involve INDOT. South Bend, for example, has lots of them and has more planned.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on May 07, 2015, 01:18:58 PM

Quote from: theline on May 07, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
Roundabouts are springing up all over the state, even in projects that don't involve INDOT. South Bend, for example, has lots of them and has more planned.

Two new ones just east of the Evansville airport.  People seemed a little hesitant when I was through there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 08, 2015, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: theline on May 07, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
Roundabouts are springing up all over the state, even in projects that don't involve INDOT. South Bend, for example, has lots of them and has more planned.

I'm aware of a few out in Harris Twp.  Are there actually some in the city of SB?  If so, where?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 08, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Press release on I-69 Section 6 (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69_Section6_NewsRelease_PublicMeeting_050715.pdf)... there will be meetings May 18/May 19 for feedback on the potential routes and alternatives, etc in Greenwood/Martinsville

QuoteI-69 Section 6 Hosts Public Meetings May 18 and 19, Open House and Public- Comment Sessions Included

INDIANAPOLIS (May 6, 2015) — The Indiana Department of Transportation announced today it will host two public meetings in the coming weeks to share information and collect public comment on the transportation needs and route alternatives being considered in the environmental-impact study for Interstate 69 from Martinsville to Indianapolis, known formally as Section 6.

The first meeting will take place on May 18 at Center Grove North Middle School, 202 N. Morgantown Rd. in Greenwood. The second meeting will occur on May 19 at Martinsville High School, 1360 E. Gray St. in Martinsville. Doors will open for both meetings at 5:30 p.m. with an open house session, followed by a formal presentation and public comment session in the auditorium at 6:30 p.m.

The meetings will cover two important project topics: the draft purpose and need and conceptual alternatives. The draft purpose and need describes the transportation-related needs that the project is designed to address. It establishes the basis for developing a range of reasonable alternatives in the environmental-impact study and assists in the identification and eventual selection of a preferred alternative.

The conceptual alternatives being considered for the project are based upon INDOT project-team analysis of the feedback previously collected from the public and resource agencies in February 2015.
Written comments, special accommodations

The public may submit advance comments prior to the meeting. Those comments can be submitted using the comment form at www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2463.htm and by contacting I-69 Section 6 directly at 317-881- 6408 or section6pm@indot.in.gov. The public can also visit the I-69 Section project office located at 7847 Waverly Road, Martinsville, IN 46151. The office will be open Monday — Friday from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and will be closed on state holidays. The deadline for public comments for this phase of the project is June 2, 2015.

Special accommodations will be made for individuals needing auxiliary aids or services of interpreters, signers, readers, or large print. Anyone with such needs should contact Rickie Clark, INDOT's office of public involvement, at 317-232-6601 or rclark@indot.in.gov.
Surveying begins along S.R. 37

Property owners and motorists may see an increasing variety of environmental field work in the coming weeks along S.R. 37 between Martinsville and Indianapolis as part of the second phase of the environmental-impact study. Letters were mailed to impacted property owners in February before the field work began. Landowners are welcome to request photo identification showing the I-69 logo before surveyors enter private property.
About I-69

The new Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis is a key component to the future economic vitality of southwestern Indiana, and will connect an entire region with improved access to jobs, education and healthcare.

The 142-mile I-69 corridor is divided into six sections. The first three sections opened for business in November 2012, saving motorists more than 30 minutes of travel time between Evansville and Crane. I-69 Section 4 between Crane and Bloomington is expected to open to traffic by the end of this year. I-69 Development Partners is rehabilitating and upgrading the existing State Road 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville into I-69 Section 5.

In fall of 2014, I-69 Section 6 resumed the second phase (Tier 2) of a two-part environmental-impact study that began in 1999 to determine a selected route for I-69 Section 6. The second phase, required by federal law, will study the route aligned with State Road 37, which was selected in 2004 during the first phase (Tier 1) of the environmental study. Due to the potential for significant impacts or changed conditions since 2004, this second phase will study a range of different routes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 19, 2015, 09:30:55 PM
QuoteAt a press briefing before Monday's Greenwood and today's Martinsville Interstate 69 Section 6 meeting, Indiana Department of Transportation representatives said there are 13 conceptual routes from the south side of Martinsville to Indianapolis under consideration.

I-69 alternatives for Martinsville-Indianapolis section whittled to list of 13 (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=79688&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=208) (Indiana Economic Digest/Reporter-Times)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on May 19, 2015, 10:35:59 PM
I was in Martinsville today.  Interesting presentation.
Overall everyone seemed positive and supportive and there was not the overwhelming security presence of past meetings.

I'd adivise visiting the state document site; http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2343.htm (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2343.htm).

I liked Appendix A best.  It shows the alternatives and divides them into East (to I65 near Franklin), Central (mostly following SR37) and West (to I70 about 10 miles from I465).

Table A2 estimates relative cost.  All central alternatives are $$$$ to $$$$$, and the East and West are all $ and $$.

But travel time "saved" is over 6,000 hours for Central alternatives and only 570 for the West and 213 for the East.

And finally, it if SR37 is followed, the interchange will be moved to the West about one mile.

Public comments tilted toward West and connecting near the airport.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on May 19, 2015, 11:12:44 PM
Have to wonder if one of the alternatives that connects to I-70 or I-65 instead of I-465 is chosen if IN 37 would not end up needing upgrades later anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 19, 2015, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 19, 2015, 11:12:44 PM
Have to wonder if one of the alternatives that connects to I-70 or I-65 instead of I-465 is chosen if IN 37 would not end up needing upgrades later anyway.
If that would happen I feel like what happened to sr 431 would happen, but since this is Indianapolis, they likely would do nothing
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 20, 2015, 12:14:41 PM
If I were in charge of the routing committee, I'd choose the most direct route possible (hence all of IN 37).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 20, 2015, 12:14:41 PM
If I were in charge of the routing committee, I'd choose the most direct route possible (hence all of IN 37).
I agree, all the alternates are horrible. The only one that looks ok IMO is the 67 overlap to 70
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 20, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
It seems like the western route would be cheaper to initially build, provides better access to the airport and close to the same access to downtown Indy as SR 37. 

SR 37 would be a better route for thru traffic and the theoretical truck traffic that would be coming from Mexico to Canada, and you wouldn't have to maintain both I-69 and most of SR37 from Martinsville to Indy as separate roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: thefro on May 20, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
It seems like the western route would be cheaper to initially build, provides better access to the airport and close to the same access to downtown Indy as SR 37. 

SR 37 would be a better route for thru traffic and the theoretical truck traffic that would be coming from Mexico to Canada, and you wouldn't have to maintain both I-69 and most of SR37 from Martinsville to Indy as separate roads.
Do you think that if 69 goes on the route to connect near the airport, they would decommission SR 67 or 37 (or both) in between 465 and Martinsville and cosign them on the interstates?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2015, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 20, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: thefro on May 20, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
It seems like the western route would be cheaper to initially build, provides better access to the airport and close to the same access to downtown Indy as SR 37. 

SR 37 would be a better route for thru traffic and the theoretical truck traffic that would be coming from Mexico to Canada, and you wouldn't have to maintain both I-69 and most of SR37 from Martinsville to Indy as separate roads.
Do you think that if 69 goes on the route to connect near the airport, they would decommission SR 67 or 37 (or both) in between 465 and Martinsville and cosign them on the interstates?

I highly doubt Indy is willing to take over SR37 or SR67.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 22, 2015, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2015, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 20, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: thefro on May 20, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
It seems like the western route would be cheaper to initially build, provides better access to the airport and close to the same access to downtown Indy as SR 37. 

SR 37 would be a better route for thru traffic and the theoretical truck traffic that would be coming from Mexico to Canada, and you wouldn't have to maintain both I-69 and most of SR37 from Martinsville to Indy as separate roads.
Do you think that if 69 goes on the route to connect near the airport, they would decommission SR 67 or 37 (or both) in between 465 and Martinsville and cosign them on the interstates?

I highly doubt Indy is willing to take over SR37 or SR67.
They'd be better off leaving both state routes as is. Especially IN 37, which would need to maintain its direct path around the Indy area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 22, 2015, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2015, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 20, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: thefro on May 20, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
It seems like the western route would be cheaper to initially build, provides better access to the airport and close to the same access to downtown Indy as SR 37. 

SR 37 would be a better route for thru traffic and the theoretical truck traffic that would be coming from Mexico to Canada, and you wouldn't have to maintain both I-69 and most of SR37 from Martinsville to Indy as separate roads.
Do you think that if 69 goes on the route to connect near the airport, they would decommission SR 67 or 37 (or both) in between 465 and Martinsville and cosign them on the interstates?

I highly doubt Indy is willing to take over SR37 or SR67.
They'd be better off leaving both state routes as is. Especially IN 37, which would need to maintain its direct path around the Indy area.
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on May 26, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 07:22:33 AM
Quote from: trafficsignal on May 26, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.
That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 07:22:33 AM
Quote from: trafficsignal on May 26, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.
That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 08:28:08 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 07:22:33 AM
Quote from: trafficsignal on May 26, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.
That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?
I was referring to the T, my thinking is rerouting 37 could make it necessary to have something like that so people can follow 37 better, but it may not be not sure how traffic will change as a result.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2015, 08:39:49 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 08:28:08 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 07:22:33 AM
Quote from: trafficsignal on May 26, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.
That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?
I was referring to the T, my thinking is rerouting 37 could make it necessary to have something like that so people can follow 37 better, but it may not be not sure how traffic will change as a result.

A roundabout with only 3 spokes would be interesting.  I also don't know how well a roundabout works in an area where the Speed Limit is 55 on the roads and traffic is averaging about 60.  Perhaps reconfiguring the intersection so that NB 13 traffic doesn't have to stop and NB 37 traffic does is a better idea.

Also, I'm not so sure that Hamilton County will want to take over the section of 37 from its intersection with 13 down to the Noblesville city limits so you might just end up with yet another discontinuous highway rather than a reroute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 08:39:49 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 08:28:08 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 07:22:33 AM
Quote from: trafficsignal on May 26, 2015, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 22, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.
That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?
I was referring to the T, my thinking is rerouting 37 could make it necessary to have something like that so people can follow 37 better, but it may not be not sure how traffic will change as a result.

A roundabout with only 3 spokes would be interesting.  I also don't know how well a roundabout works in an area where the Speed Limit is 55 on the roads and traffic is averaging about 60.  Perhaps reconfiguring the intersection so that NB 13 traffic doesn't have to stop and NB 37 traffic does is a better idea.

Also, I'm not so sure that Hamilton County will want to take over the section of 37 from its intersection with 13 down to the Noblesville city limits so you might just end up with yet another discontinuous highway rather than a reroute.
Making 37 discontinuous would be very bizarre, it would be cosigned with 69 until 116th, then disappear. I hope indot doesn't do that, but look at what they did in Lafayette. I still think 37 is still one of the more important state roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

Is this is why 37 isn't signed from Marion to FT Wayne?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

Is this is why 37 isn't signed from Marion to FT Wayne?

I would assume so. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on May 26, 2015, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 26, 2015, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

Is this is why 37 isn't signed from Marion to FT Wayne?

I would assume so. 

SR 37 could/should disappear north of Bloomington (unless they renumber SR 75). SR 37 used to end in Indy before it was extended northeast. The part from Fort Wayne to Ohio was SR 14 at one time, and I think the part around Indy, Noblesville, and Elwood was SR 13.

Once I-69 is completed, I would say SR 37 will have lost most of its significance so need for an illogical discontinuous route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 27, 2015, 01:38:12 PM
http://www.courierpress.com/news/state/indot-next-section-of-i69-to-open-by-end-of-year_33067114

Good I-69 update article in the Evansville paper

- Section 4 still on track to open this year, will put a lot of heavy truck traffic onto I-69 that current uses curvy state roads.
- Section 6 could be another private/public partnership, will not be a toll road
- They anticipate the ROD for Section 6 by early 2018.
- State Senator Luke Kenley (chair of Indiana Senate Appropriations Committee) says he expects they will tackle the funding mechanism for Section 6 in the 2017 budget.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 27, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
Does anyone know when they might start putting exit numbers on the existing SR 37 exits? Or will they hold off until more of the freeway conversion is completed?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on May 28, 2015, 06:51:07 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 27, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
Does anyone know when they might start putting exit numbers on the existing SR 37 exits? Or will they hold off until more of the freeway conversion is completed?

I would think they would hold off until most of the freeway conversion is complete
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 28, 2015, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 28, 2015, 06:51:07 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 27, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
Does anyone know when they might start putting exit numbers on the existing SR 37 exits? Or will they hold off until more of the freeway conversion is completed?

I would think they would hold off until most of the freeway conversion is complete

I doubt they'll do anything before Section 4 fully opens (I don't even think we have the official exit #s for that yet).  So late 2015 would be the absolute earliest.  Might as well wait for most of the work to be done at that point since Section 5 is scheduled to be complete by the end of 2016.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 28, 2015, 05:20:57 PM
Signage plans for Section 4 a while back ago showed that the SR 45 interchange would be Exit 98, the SR 445 interchange would be Exit 104 and the SR 37 interchange would be Exit 114. You can kind of figure out the other exit numbers from there, that and I posted a list elsewhere on this thread about the possible exits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 16, 2015, 10:38:07 AM
From the Bloomington Herald-Times on Monday (behind paywall) (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/opinion/hotline-i--exit-numbers-and-dining-with-dogs/article_bf500043-16ca-5094-9924-0901a8ba4f96.html), we have the proposed Section 5 Exit numbers:

Quote
Q: We know I-69 is coming and soon it will be in Bloomington. I was wondering, can you could find out what will be the exit numbers for the Bloomington exits?


I'm curious as to what I-69 exit I will be eventually instructing visitors they need to use.


M.D., Bloomington


A: Tony Carpenter, public information coordinator with I-69 Development Partners, explained that state and federal highway miles are numbered from south to north and west to east, with the numbers being mileage-based.


Before the new section opened between Evansville and Crane, the numbers for the pre-existing I-69 in northeastern Indiana were increased by 200.


The proposed exit numbers for section 5 are: Fullerton Pike, exit 115; Tapp Road, exit 116; Ind. 45/Second St., exit 117; Ind. 48/Third Street, exit 118; eastbound Ind. 45/46 Bypass, exit 120A; westbound Ind. 46, exit 120B; North Walnut Street/Business Ind. 37 (southbound only), exit 123; Sample Road, exit 125; and Liberty Church Road, exit 134.


The intersection of I-69 and Ind. 37 is part of section 4 and will be numbered 114.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on June 16, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
So what will become of the renumbered exits on the already-existing I-69 once the extension reaches Indianapolis? The newer sections will total 183 miles instead of the implied 200, so it should be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 16, 2015, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: Henry on June 16, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
So what will become of the renumbered exits on the already-existing I-69 once the extension reaches Indianapolis? The newer sections will total 183 miles instead of the implied 200, so it should be interesting to see.
Already been settled, they decided to add an even 200 to make it easier for drivers, they say the missing mileage is made up on the 465 cosigning.
Even though it really doesn't they gap will be unnoticeable by the average driver
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on June 16, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

How common is this?

And by the way, I am told there is finally some concrete under the SR45 overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Grzrd on June 16, 2015, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: andy on June 16, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

This post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2742.msg95531#msg95531) contains a couple of examples, but I cannot recall a thread devoted to the topic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 16, 2015, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: andy on June 16, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

How common is this?

And by the way, I am told there is finally some concrete under the SR45 overpass.
I've been down there working on unrelated projects and the progress I've seen is the vernal pike bridge is being built, the center pier to be exact, and they appear to be expanding the SR 48 bridge. Also it looks like a bridge is being built at acuff road
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on June 17, 2015, 06:42:31 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 16, 2015, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: andy on June 16, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

How common is this?

And by the way, I am told there is finally some concrete under the SR45 overpass.
I've been down there working on unrelated projects and the progress I've seen is the vernal pike bridge is being built, the center pier to be exact, and they appear to be expanding the SR 48 bridge. Also it looks like a bridge is being built at acuff road

They are also constructing an overpass for Rockport Road and the left shoulder is closed for some reason between at least SR 46 and Fullerton Pike (that's the section I drove Sunday night).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 17, 2015, 07:44:22 PM
The left shoulder should be where they are constructing the new travel lane to make the highway six lanes through Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 17, 2015, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 17, 2015, 07:44:22 PM
The left shoulder should be where they are constructing the new travel lane to make the highway six lanes through Bloomington.

o really, will it be 6 lanes from the 37 split to sr 46/45?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 17, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
It should be six lanes up to Sample Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on June 18, 2015, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 17, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
It should be six lanes up to Sample Road.

My guess is that I-69 will eventually be 6 lanes entirely between Bloomington and Indianapolis. There is going to be a lot of traffic out there when 69 is finished. They are already talking about widening 70 and 65 across the state. IMO widening 69 (existing 37) should be a higher priority just because of how close Bloomington, Martinsville, and Indy are to each other. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 18, 2015, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: US 41 on June 18, 2015, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 17, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
It should be six lanes up to Sample Road.

My guess is that I-69 will eventually be 6 lanes entirely between Bloomington and Indianapolis. There is going to be a lot of traffic out there when 69 is finished. They are already talking about widening 70 and 65 across the state. IMO widening 69 (existing 37) should be a higher priority just because of how close Bloomington, Martinsville, and Indy are to each other.
I personally think 65 is the most important, but is this the only section currently planned to be 6 lanes at the start for 69?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on June 18, 2015, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 18, 2015, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: US 41 on June 18, 2015, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 17, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
It should be six lanes up to Sample Road.

My guess is that I-69 will eventually be 6 lanes entirely between Bloomington and Indianapolis. There is going to be a lot of traffic out there when 69 is finished. They are already talking about widening 70 and 65 across the state. IMO widening 69 (existing 37) should be a higher priority just because of how close Bloomington, Martinsville, and Indy are to each other.
I personally think 65 is the most important, but is this the only section currently planned to be 6 lanes at the start for 69?

I believe so at least for this section (5). I have no idea about section 6. I also had no idea they were putting up roundabouts at the Fullerton Pike and Tapp Road interchanges. I'm a little surprised about the sound barriers too. I also heard that the City of Bloomington wants to connect Gordon Pike to Fullerton Pike. IF that happens the road will change names 4 times across the city. The city may also want to invest in traffic signals at the Leonard Springs / Tapp intersection and the Leonard  Springs / Fullerton intersection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 18, 2015, 09:55:15 AM
I wonder if the state actually wanted to put 2 exits between SR 45 and the split with 37&69 or was that more Bloomington's idea?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on June 18, 2015, 01:50:11 PM
Its been since May 11th since they updated the construction progress on Indy.gov

Does anyone know of another site that is more up to date?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on June 18, 2015, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 18, 2015, 09:55:15 AM
I wonder if the state actually wanted to put 2 exits between SR 45 and the split with 37&69 or was that more Bloomington's idea?

I think they put the one at Tapp Rd. just so people in Bloomington would shut up about the project in general. At Fullerton they pretty much had to because of a small hospital being located there.

Here's a question for someone. Are they going to leave the 45 interchange alone now and not convert it to a split diamond?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 18, 2015, 02:51:46 PM
I don't really see why anything needs to be done to those existing interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 18, 2015, 09:38:47 PM
I think the SR 45 exit is remaining as it is, though the split diamond interchange was originally INDOT's idea. The public-private partnership people actually doing the work on the interstate were the ones who suggested leaving that interchange along with auxiliary lanes connecting the SR 45 ramps from the south with Tapp Road. They were also the ones who suggested making 69 six lanes from the split with 37 up to Sample Road as INDOT wanted to leave it four lanes except for a small part from SR 48 to SR 45. Finally, they were the ones who suggested the roundabout interchanges at Fullerton, Tapp and Sample Roads and on sprucing up the overpasses around Bloomington to look nice. Likewise I believe the sound barrier walls were also their idea. I got to say, I like this group.

If Section 6 remains on 37 I definitely see the highway being six lanes from SR 144 north to I-465 with perhaps eight lanes from Southport Road north. As for the possible stoplights in Bloomington, I see them putting roundabouts first before stoplights. On a more interstesting note (I may have stated this somewhere else before) but if you travel west on "West" Leonard Springs Road west from SR 37 toward SR 45 you'll see the road intersect with "South" Leonard Springs Road. Streets in Bloomington....
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 19, 2015, 11:07:10 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on June 18, 2015, 01:50:11 PM
Its been since May 11th since they updated the construction progress on Indy.gov

Does anyone know of another site that is more up to date?

Nope, that's as up to date as we get.  They randomly update once a month whenever they feel like it.  I do think we'll get an update before July 4th at least.

Quote from: tdindy88 on June 18, 2015, 09:38:47 PM
I think the SR 45 exit is remaining as it is, though the split diamond interchange was originally INDOT's idea. The public-private partnership people actually doing the work on the interstate were the ones who suggested leaving that interchange along with auxiliary lanes connecting the SR 45 ramps from the south with Tapp Road. They were also the ones who suggested making 69 six lanes from the split with 37 up to Sample Road as INDOT wanted to leave it four lanes except for a small part from SR 48 to SR 45. Finally, they were the ones who suggested the roundabout interchanges at Fullerton, Tapp and Sample Roads and on sprucing up the overpasses around Bloomington to look nice. Likewise I believe the sound barrier walls were also their idea. I got to say, I like this group.

Agreed, I've been really impressed with their plans and the smart design changes they've made.  The other big benefit of adding the additional lanes now is they can keep 4 lanes of traffic open in Bloomington during the construction.  Using the roundabouts on those exits should make them safer and cheaper to build.  It reminds to be seen if it will work out for the state financially over the 35 year contract but I think it's been a big win from a design standpoint thus far.

They posted some great new design documents a couple months ago that I just noticed today
http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/DesignDetails_Board%201_041415_V6.pdf
http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/DesignDetails_Board%202_041415_V5.pdf
http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/DesignDetails_Board%203_041415_V5.compressed.pdf

And here is the new construction overview from April of this year
http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/doc/I-69_Construction_Overview_v7_031915.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on June 22, 2015, 04:57:17 PM
I know we have the exit numbers from Crane to Liberty Church Road (With the exception of SR 54)

Anyone have a guess on what the exit numbers will be for SR 44 and 252, Waverly Road, County Line, Smith Valley  and Southport Road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on June 22, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on June 22, 2015, 04:57:17 PM
I know we have the exit numbers from Crane to Liberty Church Road (With the exception of SR 54)

Anyone have a guess on what the exit numbers will be for SR 44 and 252, Waverly Road, County Line, Smith Valley  and Southport Road?

There is no exit at 54.  There's the one at 45, then 445, and the 37 split.  Plus it's probably too early to tell what #s will be in Sec. 6 until they decide for absolutely sure which way the road's going to go.  On the off chance it splits off and is built up toward I-70, your question would be moot anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 23, 2015, 07:46:21 AM
SR 54 didn't get an exit to save money, in the future though, they could add one there.  Driving down to Bloomington, I've noticed a lot of signs saying things like: "waters of U.S." and "Karst Feature", what is the purpose of theses signs?  Are they like the "wild flowers do not mow" signs basically saying do not touch these areas during construction?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on June 23, 2015, 09:36:32 AM
Since I brought it up

Liberty Church Road is 134 and is 26.4 miles from Southport road so Southport road would most likely be exit 160

its 18.8 miles from LC Road to Waverly SR 144 so that would most likely be 153

465 is about 2.4 miles Southport but since it most likely will veer west near Epler the ramp at 465 would be ~ 163-164 and the spot where 69/465 hits 69 on the north east side should be exit 184 but that of course its 200 due to the simplifying of the exit numbers
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 23, 2015, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 23, 2015, 07:46:21 AM
SR 54 didn't get an exit to save money, in the future though, they could add one there.  Driving down to Bloomington, I've noticed a lot of signs saying things like: "waters of U.S." and "Karst Feature", what is the purpose of theses signs?  Are they like the "wild flowers do not mow" signs basically saying do not touch these areas during construction?

I don't think SR 54 was ever slated to get an interchange. The I-69 overpass over the highway is very high and the land there is very rugged. I suppose an interchange could go in there, but it would be very costly to build.

That said, I know at least one interchange in Daviess County and one in Pike County were deferred. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 23, 2015, 07:43:03 PM
I'd assume that the SR 54 overpass is probably a mile or so away from the new SR 45 interchange and isn't that distance considered too short (or at the bare minimum) for exits in a rural area. That and even from 54, one could connect to the interstate via SR 45 and SR 445 with relative ease. Finally, the highway travels more so in a southeast to northwest direction from Bedford to Bloomfield, traffic along that highway I would guess would not need I-69 too much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on June 23, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 23, 2015, 07:43:03 PM
I'd assume that the SR 54 overpass is probably a mile or so away from the new SR 45 interchange and isn't that distance considered too short (or at the bare minimum) for exits in a rural area. That and even from 54, one could connect to the interstate via SR 45 and SR 445 with relative ease. Finally, the highway travels more so in a southeast to northwest direction from Bedford to Bloomfield, traffic along that highway I would guess would not need I-69 too much.

I agree the reason for no SR54 exit is as you speculate.  Way too close by I69 miles.  Curiously though, it is a long drive (highway miles) from the overpass of SR54 and I69 to either the SR445 or SR45 exchanges.  I expect (pure speculation) there will be a county road built (or improved) parallel from SR 54 to near the SR45 exchange. Otherwise the most direct route from Bedford to I69 south will require staying on SR58 to the US231 exchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 24, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: andy on June 23, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 23, 2015, 07:43:03 PM
I'd assume that the SR 54 overpass is probably a mile or so away from the new SR 45 interchange and isn't that distance considered too short (or at the bare minimum) for exits in a rural area. That and even from 54, one could connect to the interstate via SR 45 and SR 445 with relative ease. Finally, the highway travels more so in a southeast to northwest direction from Bedford to Bloomfield, traffic along that highway I would guess would not need I-69 too much.

I agree the reason for no SR54 exit is as you speculate.  Way too close by I69 miles.  Curiously though, it is a long drive (highway miles) from the overpass of SR54 and I69 to either the SR445 or SR45 exchanges.  I expect (pure speculation) there will be a county road built (or improved) parallel from SR 54 to near the SR45 exchange. Otherwise the most direct route from Bedford to I69 south will require staying on SR58 to the US231 exchange.

My guess is most people from Bedford will take US 50 to I-69 south.  It's less mileage for everyone in Bedford and faster for people who aren't on the north side

As far as a future SR54 exit goes, my guess is we don't see that built in the next 50 years.  Very rural area with terrain that isn't easy to develop.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 24, 2015, 08:26:25 PM
No SR 54 interchange on I-69 is needed at all. There are plenty of other options for westbound drivers on that highway.

Moving south toward Evansville, I noticed that they never replaced the enhanced reference markers when I-164 was changed to I-69. US 31 in Kokomo was the same - the new freeway never got the markers that the old bypass had.

Back in Evansville, the only I-164 signs I saw were on the Green River Rd. entrance to SR 66 (Lloyd Expy.).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 24, 2015, 09:21:41 PM
A shame about the I-69 enhanced reference markers not being there in Evansville, especially since such signs existed along I-69 from former exits 0 to 26 northeast of Indianapolis. They could have used those signs in Evansville when the new reference markers were placed to reference the new exit numbers from 200 to 226. Unless they just reused those signs, I'm not sure on how that works.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 26, 2015, 08:40:32 PM
QuoteThe Indiana Department of Transportation will map out alternative routes next week for the final stretch of I-69. INDOT will talk about Section 6 and the reduction of the 14 alternative routes on the final stretch connecting Martinsville and Indianapolis.

I-69 Alternative Routes to be Announced (http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=71389) (Inside Indiana Business)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 30, 2015, 02:34:54 PM
From reporters live-tweeting on Twitter (https://twitter.com/BabsofBtown/status/615949421201760256), INDOT has narrowed it down to 5 preliminary potential routes for section 6.  Road will follow SR 37 through Martinsville (which is what that community wanted).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQzBOp7O.jpg&hash=ba9be01104c135c27c6177917990f83ad2b1fd4e)

Public meeting in the fall.  INDOT will further refine/analyze routes. Recommendation for route in early 2017 and final decision in Q1 2018.

The 4 alternate routes other than SR 37 would involve new terrain construction and don't follow existing roads once they split off (SR 37 just has a bit at the end).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on June 30, 2015, 06:06:58 PM
What about that interchange just north of SR 48 in Bloomington that goes to the strip mall (for southbound traffic only)? Will it remain?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 30, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
That should be closed with so that it ends at a cul-de-sac.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 30, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: thefro on June 30, 2015, 02:34:54 PM
From reporters live-tweeting on Twitter (https://twitter.com/BabsofBtown/status/615949421201760256), INDOT has narrowed it down to 5 preliminary potential routes for section 6.  Road will follow SR 37 through Martinsville (which is what that community wanted).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQzBOp7O.jpg&hash=ba9be01104c135c27c6177917990f83ad2b1fd4e)

Public meeting in the fall.  INDOT will further refine/analyze routes. Recommendation for route in early 2017 and final decision in Q1 2018.

The 4 alternate routes other than SR 37 would involve new terrain construction and don't follow existing roads once they split off (SR 37 just has a bit at the end).

I like these, except B&D.  Will K3 & K4 involve destroying Mann road? Also would the proximity of K3 & K4 cause issues trafficwise with existing exits?  What's everyone else's opinion on this?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 30, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
I still like the 37 option. I don't see why people would rather prefer new terrain in this case when there really isn't a need for it. The Mann Road option just seems to me as if it will be tearing through homes along that corridor, it is a two-lane road after all. From my experience with 37 people don't actually live directly off the highway so I don't see too much in terms of homes being destroyed, though I'm not sure about interchanges or overpasses, it'd be no different than the 37 construction from Bloomington up to Martinsville now. I do notice thought that Martinsville is keeping its part along 37 and from what I hear that is what Martinsville wants, I'm still curious to see how they'll build it through that town. Finally, a family member of mine has been talking with some people who are familiar with the project (not directly I think) who say that the lakes around the 37/465 exit are supposedly being filled in.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 30, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Here (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=221639&information_id=215873&type=&syndicate=syndicate) is the INDOT press release on the I-69 section 6 alternatives.

I don't know if this article was posted here that described section 5 work: I-69 work heats up for summer to convert Ind. 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=208&articleID=80081) from Indiana Economic Digest

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on June 30, 2015, 07:47:00 PM
I like D, only because it would go by the airport and B seems more out of the way than D. I'm pretty sure it will go on SR 37 all the way to 465. Why wouldn't they build it on 37?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Would anyone hazard a guess as to when one might be able to travel Interstate 69 from Evansville to the Michigan State Line nonstop?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 30, 2015, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: US 41 on June 30, 2015, 07:47:00 PM
I like D, only because it would go by the airport and B seems more out of the way than D. I'm pretty sure it will go on SR 37 all the way to 465. Why wouldn't they build it on 37?

The people in Perry Township thinking it will cut off routes for school kids to get to class and business owner that should have known this was going to happen that built in the path around Southport Road.  It seems very likely that all cross streets will get bridges, Edgewood Ave and Belmont Ave may not though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on June 30, 2015, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Would anyone hazard a guess as to when one might be able to travel Interstate 69 from Evansville to the Michigan State Line nonstop?

November 21, 2018
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on June 30, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 30, 2015, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Would anyone hazard a guess as to when one might be able to travel Interstate 69 from Evansville to the Michigan State Line nonstop?

November 21, 2018

Just a wild guess, but I think you're about a year early.  Best I remember, FEIS is scheduled for spring of '18.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 30, 2015, 08:57:28 PM
Build the bridges for Epler, Edgewood, Banta, Southport,  Wicker and County Line and not only will people be still able to get to school, but for some of the routes it will be even faster. I don't see the appeal in thinking it's better to wait at a stoplight for traffic on a 55-MPH expressway as opposed to just passing over it without having to stop. This is suburbia, it's not like there's a tightly-packed street grid that's going to have this interstate plow through block after block of roads, not like what I-65 did though the city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on June 30, 2015, 11:43:05 PM
Routing an additional Interstate's traffic along I-70 through the middle of Indianapolis Interational Airport seems like a bad idea. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on July 01, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: vtk on June 30, 2015, 11:43:05 PM
Routing an additional Interstate's traffic along I-70 through the middle of Indianapolis Interational Airport seems like a bad idea. :sombrero:

I don't think it would get backed up ever by the airport. The road is plenty wide enough to support it. Routing 69 through Indy on 70 may be a disaster though. Hopefully INDOT would route 69 on 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lordsutch on July 01, 2015, 01:35:51 AM
The airport routing to me looks like a potential stalking horse for the first leg of an outer loop, or at least a westside freeway up to I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 01, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on July 01, 2015, 01:35:51 AM
The airport routing to me looks like a potential stalking horse for the first leg of an outer loop, or at least a westside freeway up to I-65.

And it could revive that idea of the outer loop rejoinning I-865 at the junction with I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 01, 2015, 08:23:51 AM
It would be nice if it went up 37 and continued up harding st to 70 followed 70 to the keystone exit then went onto a new terrain route that would overlay onto binford to join its current alignment
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on July 01, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 01, 2015, 08:23:51 AM
It would be nice if it went up 37 and continued up harding st to 70 followed 70 to the keystone exit then went onto a new terrain route that would overlay onto binford to join its current alignment
That would in effect duplicate plans for the old I-169. And while it would be nice to have another Interstate routed through town, I don't see these plans come to fruition anytime soon (although it would better explain why the exits on the existing highway now start at 200).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 01, 2015, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: andy on June 30, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: mukade on June 30, 2015, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Would anyone hazard a guess as to when one might be able to travel Interstate 69 from Evansville to the Michigan State Line nonstop?

November 21, 2018

Just a wild guess, but I think you're about a year early.  Best I remember, FEIS is scheduled for spring of '18.

ROD/FEIS in spring 18 if all goes well, then they will take bids on parts of the project or do another P3.  Likely no major construction starting that year.  I'd guess they really get going on the project in 2019 (assuming they get funding done).

There's 5 stoplights in Martinsville on SR 37, and a 1-2 will need to be replaced by exits.  I think they will need an access road or two as well there.

North of Martinsville, there's stoplights at SR144, Smith Valley Road, Fairview Road,  County Line Road, Wicker Road, Southport Road, Banta Road, Epler Ave, Harding Street, and Thompson Road.  I think the original Section 6 route along SR 37 had the new terrain road for the new exit with I-465 split off right before Epler Avenue, IIRC.  You'll need the new I-69/I-465 exit complete and open and that road to connect to SR 37 before you can go stoplight-free.  I guess the good news is a lot of those roads basically end at SR 37 or have no significant development on the west side of SR 37 due to the White River.

If they split the road off and avoid Perry Township or build out to I-70 you'll have some different challenges with building a decent-sized new terrain route which would need a bridge over the White River.

Basically I wouldn't expect a 2-year build like Section 5 since there's a lot more to juggle.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on July 01, 2015, 07:25:38 PM
Here are the possible routes that INDOT studied, along with the most likely option that it will go up IN-37. From the Indianapolis Star: I-69 routes narrowed to 5 possibilities (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/06/30/routes-narrowed-five-possibilities/29527075/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on July 02, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
At the very least, it should use most, if not all, of the IN 37 corridor. The routes that hook into I-70 make the least sense, as it would provide a less direct connection to the existing I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on July 02, 2015, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: US 41 on July 01, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: vtk on June 30, 2015, 11:43:05 PM
Routing an additional Interstate's traffic along I-70 through the middle of Indianapolis Interational Airport seems like a bad idea. :sombrero:

I don't think it would get backed up ever by the airport. The road is plenty wide enough to support it. Routing 69 through Indy on 70 may be a disaster though. Hopefully INDOT would route 69 on 465.

Whoosh.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on July 03, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: vtk on July 02, 2015, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: US 41 on July 01, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: vtk on June 30, 2015, 11:43:05 PM
Routing an additional Interstate's traffic along I-70 through the middle of Indianapolis Interational Airport seems like a bad idea. :sombrero:

I don't think it would get backed up ever by the airport. The road is plenty wide enough to support it. Routing 69 through Indy on 70 may be a disaster though. Hopefully INDOT would route 69 on 465.

Whoosh.
Exactly!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on July 06, 2015, 03:34:15 PM
I drove from Indy to Evansville last week and as mentioned before there are signs on 37 that say Waters of US and Karst.  Does anyone know what these signs mean?

And work is nearly complete on the first section as you get a good long distance view from where 69 currently ends.

i look forward to seeing the completion percentages in a few days
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 07, 2015, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on July 06, 2015, 03:34:15 PM
I drove from Indy to Evansville last week and as mentioned before there are signs on 37 that say Waters of US and Karst.  Does anyone know what these signs mean?

It means "because environment."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on July 08, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
That is a vague answer...

Does it mean those areas are truly protected or is it just a political stance?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 08, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on July 08, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
That is a vague answer...

Does it mean those areas are truly protected or is it just a political stance?

I asked my boss and he said "waters of the us" is basically any drainage area that drains into a creek that eventually goes to a major waterway. He also said that definition has changed a lot over the recent years to be more broader in scope.  And that both signs are a part of the environmental process that has to be done.  they must be labeled and avoided during construction. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on July 08, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Thank you for that detailed answer, it makes sense now
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 08, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
And karst is the type of terrain that involves a lot of underground limestone and sinkholes. South-central Kentucky is known for karst topography, most notably Mammoth Cave.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 09, 2015, 11:52:38 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 08, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on July 08, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
That is a vague answer...

Does it mean those areas are truly protected or is it just a political stance?

I asked my boss and he said "waters of the us" is basically any drainage area that drains into a creek that eventually goes to a major waterway. He also said that definition has changed a lot over the recent years to be more broader in scope.  And that both signs are a part of the environmental process that has to be done.  they must be labeled and avoided during construction.

Strange.  So any waterway that does not end at the ocean but rather at another waterway?  There has to be a better way to say this than "waterway of the US."

Karst is clear enough.  Karst topography tends to be porous and thus water impacts in one area would presumably easily transmit to adjoining areas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 09, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 09, 2015, 11:52:38 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 08, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on July 08, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
That is a vague answer...

Does it mean those areas are truly protected or is it just a political stance?

I asked my boss and he said "waters of the us" is basically any drainage area that drains into a creek that eventually goes to a major waterway. He also said that definition has changed a lot over the recent years to be more broader in scope.  And that both signs are a part of the environmental process that has to be done.  they must be labeled and avoided during construction.

Strange.  So any waterway that does not end at the ocean but rather at another waterway?  There has to be a better way to say this than "waterway of the US."

Karst is clear enough.  Karst topography tends to be porous and thus water impacts in one area would presumably easily transmit to adjoining areas.

I think it would include waterways that go to the ocean.  He also said the old definition he believed was any labeled blue line (waterway) on the usgs, which shows all drainage waterways (or at least they try to)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 10, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 09, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 09, 2015, 11:52:38 AM

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 08, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on July 08, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
That is a vague answer...

Does it mean those areas are truly protected or is it just a political stance?

I asked my boss and he said "waters of the us" is basically any drainage area that drains into a creek that eventually goes to a major waterway. He also said that definition has changed a lot over the recent years to be more broader in scope.  And that both signs are a part of the environmental process that has to be done.  they must be labeled and avoided during construction.

Strange.  So any waterway that does not end at the ocean but rather at another waterway?  There has to be a better way to say this than "waterway of the US."

Karst is clear enough.  Karst topography tends to be porous and thus water impacts in one area would presumably easily transmit to adjoining areas.

I think it would include waterways that go to the ocean.  He also said the old definition he believed was any labeled blue line (waterway) on the usgs, which shows all drainage waterways (or at least they try to)

The EPA's site has more on the Clean Water Rule (http://www2.epa.gov/cleanwaterrule).  Basically any stream/river is covered that eventually feeds into a navigable waterway.

In Section 5's case, SR 37/future I-69 crosses several creeks and the like that feed into Bloomington's water supply

The "Waters of the US" wording is because that's what the language is in the original Clean Water Act and there's been various court fights as to what that actually covers (and will be another one over the new EPA rule).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on July 10, 2015, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: thefro on July 10, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
The EPA's site has more on the Clean Water Rule (http://www2.epa.gov/cleanwaterrule).  Basically any stream/river is covered that eventually feeds into a navigable waterway.

So that's basically everywhere in the eastern half of the country, and much of the western half...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on July 11, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
We drove the Bloomington-Martinsville construction zone yesterday, and we also wondered at the odd "Waters of US" signs. I regret that we didn't get a picture. They were posted on temporary orange fencing, surrounding low-lying areas off the side of the road. We assumed that it had something to do with environmental concerns. I'd sure like to hear from someone who knows.

Edit: I don't know how I missed the several answers above to my question. Anyway, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 11, 2015, 11:42:39 PM
Construction photos: I-69, Section 4 [taken July 11, 2015]

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Harmony Road bridge, Monroe County, IN (Section 4, Segment 8)

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Looking west from Harmony Road bridge (Section 4, Segment 7)

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Looking west from Burch Road bridge; in the distance are the Breeden Road and Indian Creek overpasses (Section 4, Segment 7)

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Looking east from Burch Road bridge (Section 4, Segment 7)

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Burch Road bridge, looking north (Section 4, Segment 7)

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Mainline bridges over Indian Creek adjacent to Breeden Road, looking west (Section 4, Segment 7)

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Mainline bridges over Breeden Road, looking north (Section 4, Segment 7)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on July 12, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 11, 2015, 11:42:39 PM
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Looking west from Harmony Road bridge (Section 4, Segment 7)

Pity they couldn't have designed that area with the NB and SB lanes on a slightly separate vertical alignment, possibly with a wider median in spots, and made it more scenic - similar to parts of I-64 across the southern half of Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 12, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
More construction photos: I-69, Section 4 [taken July 11, 2015]:

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Hobbieville Road bridge, Greene County, Indiana, looking northeast; Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 5). Bridge deck pours have been completed.

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I-69 mainline, looking northeast from Hobbieville Road bridge; Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 5). Ready to rumble!

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I-69 mainline under construction, looking south from Hobbieville Road bridge; Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 5). Start me up!

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Harmony Road bridge over I-69, looking south from Harmony Road; E. S. Wagner Co., contractor (Section 4, Segment 8). Getting ready for the big concrete pours.


The following photos were taken July 12, 2015:

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I-69 mainline construction, looking west from the under construction Rockport Road overpasses; E. S. Wagner Co., contractor (Section 4, Segment 8). Looks about ready for subbase aggregate, which will probably be limestone from local quarries.

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I-69 bridge construction over Rockport Road, looking south; E. S. Wagner Co., contractor (Section 4, Segment 8). Not much has happened here since January, as most likely, due to emergency vehicle access, the Harmony Road bridge needs to completed and opened before Rockport Road can be closed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 12, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Is this ahead or behind schedule?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 12, 2015, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 12, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Is this ahead or behind schedule?

It's probably close to "on" schedule or a bit behind, as the recent rainy weather has been problematic, all the more so if it continues into the later weeks of July and early August.

On the plus side, almost all the bridges and overpasses are nearing completion, with the exception of the Rockport Road overpasses. Subbase material has been placed on the new 445 access road, so that's getting prepped for paving. Segment 1, from the 231 interchange to Taylor Ridge Road is virtually done, 93% complete as of June 12 according to INDOT's Contract and Construction Map. The long stretch of road between Harmony Road and Breeden Road is receiving subbase and base aggregate; paving is soon to occur if and when the weather dries up.

The two principal areas which seem behind schedule are shown in the above photos: (1) west of the Breenden & Indian Creek bridges, and (2) the stretches of road in and around Hobbieville Road. From what I gather, Milestone Contractors has been concentrating work in the vicinity of the State Road 45 interchange and State Road 54; now it will begin to shift northward toward Hobbieville Rd. That's why all the equipment is there now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Sykotyk on July 12, 2015, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on July 12, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 11, 2015, 11:42:39 PM
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Looking west from Harmony Road bridge (Section 4, Segment 7)

Pity they couldn't have designed that area with the NB and SB lanes on a slightly separate vertical alignment, possibly with a wider median in spots, and made it more scenic - similar to parts of I-64 across the southern half of Indiana.

The only way that would work now is if they were separated by quite a bit of space. If you had them at that alignment but one was 10-15-20 feet higher than the other, you get the 'flying car' problem if someone loses control on the upper roadway and careens down into the lower roadway.

Though, I do agree, it should be scenic for the terrain it passes through. Instead, it looks surprisingly bland.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on July 13, 2015, 01:30:02 PM
Thanks for the photo updates!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on July 13, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: Sykotyk on July 12, 2015, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on July 12, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Pity they couldn't have designed that area with the NB and SB lanes on a slightly separate vertical alignment, possibly with a wider median in spots, and made it more scenic - similar to parts of I-64 across the southern half of Indiana.
The only way that would work now is if they were separated by quite a bit of space. If you had them at that alignment but one was 10-15-20 feet higher than the other, you get the 'flying car' problem if someone loses control on the upper roadway and careens down into the lower roadway.

If that were true, no one would build freeways with a terraced profile. But there a plenty of examples of this in my home state of Pennsylvania alone. A few that come to mind are I-80 east of US 220, I-81 north of the I-78 junction, US 15 (Future I-99) in many areas between Williamsport and the NY state line, I-99 southwest of State College, US 22/322 between Dauphin and the Susquehanna River, US 22/322 between US 11/15 and Thompsontown, US 22/322 through the Lewistown Narrows (just east of Lewistown and featuring a 2½-mile-long retaining wall, the longest in the US and second-longest in the world).

PennDOT is even currently building a terraced stretch in an area of US 322 southeast of State College that they're upgrading from two lanes at grade to four lanes of freeway (the Potters Mills Gap project).

Some of these examples have no median width beyond a narrow shoulder but do feature tall Jersey-type median barriers. Others have medians with earthen slopes and W-beam guiderails. None have large median widths. So I'm not sure what the consternation is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 14, 2015, 06:48:41 AM
I suspect that the  I-69 extension is designed the way it is due to cost considerations.  Based on a documentary I saw a couple of years ago before the initial 3 sections opened to traffic, there was extensive Value Engineering analysis done on the corridor, which included constructing a narrower median, not initially constructing some originally-planned exits, and using a slightly thinner pavement section.  Without any inside knowledge, I suspect that the median is the way it is so as to save on right-of-way, and hence cost.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2015, 04:25:03 PM
I'm guessing there were valid engineering reasons for building I-64 the way it was. Personally, I'm no fan of the wide, wooded medians. Too many places for deer and cops to hide.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 14, 2015, 08:57:33 PM
Google has updated its maps for Bloomington and vicinity. The new satellite view, dated May 18, 2015, extends just beyond where Harmony Road crosses the I-69 footprint west of Bloomington.

Items of interest include the construction of the new Rockport Road bridge over SR 37; the I-69 SR 37 intersection; the I-69 bridges over Bolin Lane; the bridges over the unnamed tributary to Clear Creek just south of Bolin Lane; the Tramway Road overpasses; the bridges crossing Happy Creek south of Tramway Road; the Lodge Road overpasses; and the early construction of Harmony Road bridge, then only piers (now ready for concrete deck pours).

Of note, as well, is the methodical process taken by E. S. Wagner Co., the contractor for Section 4, Segment 8, as it chews (blasts?) away at the rock in the curve just south of the Happy Creek bridges.

More pics to come!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 14, 2015, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on July 14, 2015, 06:48:41 AM
I suspect that the  I-69 extension is designed the way it is due to cost considerations.  Based on a documentary I saw a couple of years ago before the initial 3 sections opened to traffic, there was extensive Value Engineering analysis done on the corridor, which included constructing a narrower median, not initially constructing some originally-planned exits, and using a slightly thinner pavement section.  Without any inside knowledge, I suspect that the median is the way it is so as to save on right-of-way, and hence cost.

that's exactly what they did, they looked everywhere to save money!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 14, 2015, 10:07:32 PM
Let's go to the pics!

I-69, Section 4 construction [photos taken July 12, 2015]:

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[Looking east] I-69 bridges over Bolin Lane in Monroe County; Crider & Crider, contractor (Section 4, Segment 9). Complete!

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Looking south from Bolin Lane overpasses to the mainline I-69 bridges crossing unnamed tributary to Clear Creek; Monroe County, Indiana; Crider & Crider, contractor (Section 4, Segment 9). Note the dividing line between Segment 8 and Segment 9 just beyond the bridges. Segment 8 contractor E. S. Wagner Co. appears to be laying subbase aggregate in preparation for paving.

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I-69 overpasses crossing Tramway Road in Monroe County, looking east; E. S. Wagner Co., contractor (Section 4, Segment 8); Complete!

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Another view of the Tramway Road overpasses, looking northeast.

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From the Tramway Road overpasses looking south to the mainline bridges crossing Happy Creek, a tributary to Clear Creek; Monroe County, Indiana; E. S. Wagner Co., contractor (Section 4, Segment 8). Ready to go!

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The Happy Creek bridges from the vantage point of Tramway Road, looking southeast.

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Field office on Tramway Road for contractor E. S. Wagner Co.

More pics to come, including Section 5.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DeaconG on July 15, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
The construction looks like it's progressing quite well.  Excellent shots!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on July 15, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
I'm really impressed by the progress being made on the extension. Can't wait to see the work getting started on the remainder into Indy!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on July 15, 2015, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 15, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
I'm really impressed by the progress being made on the extension. Can't wait to see the work getting started on the remainder into Indy!

Anyone want to take a guess what the new interchange between I-69 and (unknown interstate!) is going to look like? I hope it is a windmill or a modern Y!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on July 20, 2015, 09:19:21 PM
OPINION: I-69 - opening a road to progress (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=216&ArticleID=80489)  (Indiana Econmic Digest)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on July 20, 2015, 09:32:48 PM
Quote from: mukade on July 20, 2015, 09:19:21 PM
OPINION: I-69 - opening a road to progress (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=216&ArticleID=80489)  (Indiana Econmic Digest)

The person named "Neither" in the article sounds like a NIMBY.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 20, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
My god, I swear I hate NIMBYs, if you're against something, be against it for actual reasons!! Not bullshit! "I liked SR 57/67 to Evansville" you're about the only person that did, and besides both roads are still there! Nimbys only care about themselves and no one else, and that's why I can't stand them!
This road will help out everyone in the area whether they like it or not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on July 20, 2015, 10:41:59 PM
I don't know about the thrill  of passing trucks up hill. There was only a brief relief before waiting behind another. Only now can 57 be a relaxing drive.

'Niether' sounds more like 'what's in it for me'. But the article also sounds like bait for a hit piece next week.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 21, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
A few more I-69 construction pics: Section 4

The pace of construction appears to be picking up. The recent good weather is a big plus as well.

These photos were taken July 16, unless otherwise identified.

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Harmony Road bridge crossing over Interstate 69 in Monroe County, Indiana. The bridge rises 84 feet above the mainline roadbed. E. S. Wagner Co., contractor [Section 4, Segment 8].

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Just completed deck pours on Harmony Road bridge. Let the curing begin! E. S. Wagner Co., contractor [Section 4, Segment 8].

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Carving away at the mound just west of Harmony Road bridge, looking southwest. This point is the dividing line between Segments 7 and 8 of Section 4.

The black stuff, believe it or not, is coal. In the history of Monroe County there have been two (and only two) coal mines, each very modest in size and which operated in 1923 for about a year or so. Both were located very near where I-69 and Harmony Road meet. Initially I believed the rock was shale, but someone said coal, which I was skeptical of until I did some poking around online and found a USGS map identifying the location of the mines.

Edit: Received information that the black material is shale, NOT coal.

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Stretch of mainline Interstate 69 just west of Harmony Road on the verge of being paved with PCCP. E & B Paving, contractor [Section 4, Segment 7].

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Sign girders on an unused portion of SR 37 (near Victor Pike) awaiting installation. Crider & Crider, contractor [Section 4, Segment 9].
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 21, 2015, 01:09:09 AM
And now some pics of Section 5:

Photos were taken July 16, unless otherwise identified.

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The newly constructed Rockport Road bridge crossing over SR 37/future I-69, looking east. I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsan [subs Force Construction; Crider & Crider; E & B Paving] (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 5).

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Another view of Rockport Road bridge. Of interest are the generously-sized sidewalks. I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsan [subs Force Construction; Crider & Crider; E & B Paving] (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 5). Although the bridge is on the verge of completion, the approaches on both ends are not nearly so far along. This is significant because Rockport Road must be completed and open to traffic before Fullerton Pike, just to the north, can be closed (due to the nearby hospital). Initial earth work on the Fullerton Pike interchange has begun on the west side SR 37, but bridge work will have to wait until the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 intersection is sealed off.

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Looking south from the Rockport Road overpass. Initial work to expand SR 37 to three lanes in each direction is seen in the foreground [Section 5]; beyond is the I-69/SR 37 intersection [Section 4, Segment 9] where work is proceeding at an aggressive pace in expectation of the opening of Section 4 by year's end.

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Median bridge bent for the 17 Street/Vernal Pike overpass, looking west. As wrapping and forms are still in place for the cap, the concrete pours were only recently completed. The road in the background is Vernal Pike. Still a way to go here, as construction of the abutments has only just begun. I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsan [subs Force Construction; Crider & Crider; E & B Paving] (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 5).

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Beginning earth and drainage work to add a third lane in each direction to State Road 37/future Interstate 69, looking south from Tapp Road; Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana. I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsan [subs Crider & Crider; E & B Paving] (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 5).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on July 21, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
The new completion percentages are up on Indy.Gov

       June         July

1     93%         96%     
2     89%         93%
3     82%         88%
4-5  71%         73%
6/7  67%         72%
8     73%         75%
9     75%         76%
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 23, 2015, 03:00:24 PM
Found a great picture of bridges under construction in Segment 2 of Section 4.

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Bridge over Black Ankle Creek in Greene County, looking west. Millstone Weber, contractor (Section 4, Segment 2); date of photo: unknown

Photo credit: Millstone Weber construction

The construction arm of Fred Weber, Inc. -- the entity that was awarded the contract for Segment 2 in a joint venture with Kolb Grading -- merged in April 2014 with Millstone Bangert, Inc. to form the firm Millstone Weber.

Also, Google has updated the satellite view for maps for western Monroe County and eastern parts of Greene County. The date stamp is September 28, 2014. Construction of the bridge pictured above is shown as are others bridges to the east. Of interest, too, is the formative shape of the I-69/SR 45 intersection.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on July 24, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
Great photo but it must be old because section 2 is over 90% complete
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 24, 2015, 12:56:56 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 20, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
My god, I swear I hate NIMBYs, if you're against something, be against it for actual reasons!! Not bullshit! "I liked SR 57/67 to Evansville" you're about the only person that did, and besides both roads are still there! Nimbys only care about themselves and no one else, and that's why I can't stand them!
This road will help out everyone in the area whether they like it or not.

"I would prefer the road not be built" is an actual reason.  A blanket condemnation of a group of people is no better than a blanket condemnation of all construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 24, 2015, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 24, 2015, 12:56:56 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 20, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
My god, I swear I hate NIMBYs, if you're against something, be against it for actual reasons!! Not bullshit! "I liked SR 57/67 to Evansville" you're about the only person that did, and besides both roads are still there! Nimbys only care about themselves and no one else, and that's why I can't stand them!
This road will help out everyone in the area whether they like it or not.

"I would prefer the road not be built" is an actual reason.  A blanket condemnation of a group of people is no better than a blanket condemnation of all construction.
That's not a reason, that's an opinion.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 24, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
There's nothing wrong with being against something, as I said, have valid reasons to be against something, saying "I prefer not" is just an excuse used by many that have no reasons to be against something. It doesn't help anyone.
Reason meaning facts to back it up
This makes me mad because it gets in the way of progress and it ends up hurting everyone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 24, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
That's my opinion on the issue
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 24, 2015, 05:58:40 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 24, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
There's nothing wrong with being against something, as I said, have valid reasons to be against something, saying "I prefer not" is just an excuse used by many that have no reasons to be against something. It doesn't help anyone.
Reason meaning facts to back it up
This makes me mad because it gets in the way of progress and it ends up hurting everyone.

It sounds like you don't like the inefficiency of a system where public dissent is a factor.  Not everyone agrees with one definition of progress, and thank god for all of us that public vetting of public initiatives is part of how we do things.  It just takes one efficiently plowed-through proposal you don't like to make that clear.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on July 25, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
"I disagree because I don't like it" is basically the same as saying "I disagree for the sake of disagreeing".  If you have a REASON to disagree ("I think there are better uses for taxpayer money, such as X"), that's a different matter.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2015, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 25, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
"I disagree because I don't like it" is basically the same as saying "I disagree for the sake of disagreeing".  If you have a REASON to disagree ("I think there are better uses for taxpayer money, such as X"), that's a different matter.
That's my argument, I just didn't convey it well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 25, 2015, 04:58:05 PM

Quote from: vdeane on July 25, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
"I disagree because I don't like it" is basically the same as saying "I disagree for the sake of disagreeing".  If you have a REASON to disagree ("I think there are better uses for taxpayer money, such as X"), that's a different matter.

Are votes counted only if cast with a reason satisfactory to the electorate?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2015, 05:05:37 PM
Should we halt an entire project just because a few people don't like it, yet can't say why they don't like it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
Lets just agree to disagree, not looking into starting arguments
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 26, 2015, 07:44:13 AM
This article in today's Bloomington Herald-Times (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/indot-confident-section-of-i--will-open-by-the/article_1fc53fe5-54bf-5cc9-95a5-c9d0a810f4c9.html?success=2) (behind paywall) says that Section 4 is still on track to open by the end of the year.

Quote"Earth work and bridges take up the vast majority of time," Wingfield said. "In the next month or so, all embankment work will be done, and all the contractors will be into paving."

The article also listed the status of the paving for each segment
QuoteSegment 1: Contractor: Crider & Crider. Status: Completely paved
Segment 2: Contractor: Fred Weber Inc. and Kolb Grading. Status: Started paving July 21
Segment 3: Contractor: White Construction. Status: About 50 percent paved
Segments 4, 5, and 6A: Contractor: Milestone Construction. Status: About 25 percent paved
Segments 6 and 7: Contractor: E & B Paving. Status: Started paving July 20
Segment 8: Contractor: E. S. Wagner Co. Status: Not started
Segment 9: Contractor: Crider & Crider. Status: Not started

There will still be some cleanup/erosion control construction work to finish up in 2016 even after the new segment opens later this year, per the article.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 26, 2015, 06:10:37 PM
Yesterday, Saturday, July 25, I ventured down into Greene County for a look-see on the current status of I-69 construction. Considerable progress is being made, but with still lots more to be done, it's now "crunch" time for the contractors who must shift into overdrive for the final push toward completion. Of the four segments I visited, three were hives of construction activity.

Long stretches of the mainline are now paved, but, at the same time, earth work is continuing at other locations. Of note, State Road 445 is now paved from near its juncture with SR 45 to near the future interchange with I-69. Mainline pavement also is found stretching in both directions from the future SR 45 interchange, though none of the ramps are paved. Work is still continuing in Segment 3 on the bridges over East Mineral-Koleen Road, as well as Dry Branch Road. In Section 2, earth work is ongoing and although the long, impressive bridge over Black Ankle Valley is nearing completion, much remains to be done, such as the side walls.

While I did not drop by Harmony Road or Breeden Road, it is evident the 2-mile stretch of road between them is now being paved. On SR 45 I observed several tri-axle dump trucks apparently heading back to the E & B Paving facility on Oard Road on the westside of Bloomington. According to the Herald-Times article referenced above, E & B Paving is using dump trucks instead of aggregate mixers to ferry PCCP to the construction site. The trucks have 45 minutes to get from plant to site before the concrete begins to harden, but as the trip is only about 25 minutes, the operation has been functioning smoothly, according to the source quoted.

Without further delay, to the pics. Photos were taken July 25th unless otherwise indicated.

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Stretch of nearly complete mainline in Greene County, Indiana; looking southeast from near the future I-69/State Road 45 interchange. Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 4).

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Bridge carrying State Road 45 over I-69. This was the first major component of I-69, Section 4 to be completed (2013). Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 4).

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I-69 mainline and northbound exit ramp to State Road 45 in Greene County; looking southwest. Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 4).

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Looking north from the I-69/SR 45 interchange. Of interest is the portable concrete batch mixing facility in the median (not located next to the road, but in the middle of the road!). Milestone Contractors LP (Section 4, Segment 4).

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Extension of State Road 445 in Greene County. Looking west from near the point where Carter Road crosses under SR 445. The future I-69/SR 445 interchange is about a half mile east of this location. E & B Paving, contractor (Section 4, Segment 6).

More pics to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 26, 2015, 06:45:21 PM
To the pics, once again. All were taken July 25 unless otherwise indicated.

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I-69 mainline and the future SR 445 interchange, looking southeast. Lots of work remains, but note the aggregate being laid on the northbound mainline. In the foreground is the rough outline of the southbound exit ramp. E & B Paving, contractor (Section 4, Segment 6).

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Another view of work continuing near the future I-69/State Road 445 interchange. E & B Paving, contractor (Section 4, Segment 6).

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Looking northeast from a point near the I-69/SR 445 interchange. Going at it, but the laying of aggregate and pavement appears to be a few weeks away. Nevertheless, the amount of work that can be accomplished with a few days of good weather is sometimes amazing. E & B Paving, contractor (Section 4, Segment 6).

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The E & B Paving field office on Carter Road in Greene County. They were working, as AC units were humming. Just beyond the vegetation is the construction zone. (Section 4, Segment 6).

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I-69 bridges crossing over East Mineral-Koleen Road in southern Greene County. Awaiting the arrival of four beams, which, I imagine, will be set in place next week, if the weather cooperates. White Construction, contractor (Section 4, Segment 3).

Still more.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 26, 2015, 07:23:31 PM
And the last batch. All were taken July 25 unless otherwise indicated.

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Another view of the bridges carrying I-69 over East Mineral-Koleen Road in southern Greene County; looking north. The photo does not do justice to the impressive size of the columns; they are massive. White Construction, contractor (Section 4, Segment 3).

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I-69 bridges over Dry Creek Road and creek, a half mile or so west of the East Mineral-Koleen Road crossing. Huge, massive piers! White Construction, contractor (Section 4, Segment 3).

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I-69 bridge crossing Black Ankle Valley in southern Greene County. Section 2 was contracted out at $109 million, and seeing the size and scope of this bridge, the price tag is understandable. Millstone Weber, contractor (Section 4, Segment 2).

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The eastern end of the Black Ankle Valley bridges in Greene County, looking south from County Road 600 East. Millstone Weber, contractor (Section 4, Segment 2).

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Some final earth work continues on Section 2 as the middle of summer approaches. The white tent-like structure is the field office for contractor Millstone Weber (Section 4, Segment 2).

That's it for now. I'll probably check out things in the next couple week or so at couple of locations I haven't been to in a while, such as Carmichael Road and the I-69/SR 37 interchange.

By the way, does the type of intersection at SR 445 have a specific design name? It's a tight diamond, of course, but since SR 445 terminates, I'm wondering if something more specific is applied. Also, is there a specific name for the rebar thingies that are placed on the roadbed prior to PCCP paving?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on July 27, 2015, 10:13:43 AM
Those 'rebar thingies' are called 'dowel bars'.  Some contractors place them before paving and others have more sophisticated paving machines that insert them as the concrete is being poured.

They hold adjacent squares of concrete in place in relation to each other and make a huge difference in the service life and long-term ride quality of the roads that they are used in!

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 10:16:35 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 27, 2015, 10:13:43 AM
Those 'rebar thingies' are called 'dowel bars'.  Some contractors place them before paving and others have more sophisticated paving machines that insert them as the concrete is being poured.

They hold adjacent squares of concrete in place in relation to each other and make a huge difference in the service life and long-term ride quality of the roads that they are used in!

Mike
Yes they do, they transfer loads from slab to slab. A lot of times the end sticking out is greased to keep the rod from sticking to the other slab and making the rod perform incorrectly. It's pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 10:29:49 AM
Can someone post a link to a picture of what the 445/69 interchange is supposed to look like?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 27, 2015, 01:54:28 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 27, 2015, 10:13:43 AM
Those 'rebar thingies' are called 'dowel bars'.  Some contractors place them before paving and others have more sophisticated paving machines that insert them as the concrete is being poured.

They hold adjacent squares of concrete in place in relation to each other and make a huge difference in the service life and long-term ride quality of the roads that they are used in!

Mike

Thank you!

As for the future I-69/SR 445 interchange, here's a couple of schematics:

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Source: Indiana Department of Transportation Letting Documents

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Source: Indiana Department of Transportation Letting Documents

Eventually, I imagine, SR 445 will be extended east of Interstate 69 to intersect with either Carmichael Road or W. Rock East Road in Monroe County. Why Monroe County didn't push for that in the first place is a bit puzzling.

Here's a aerial view of the area:

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Source: Google Maps/Imagery
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2015, 01:54:28 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 27, 2015, 10:13:43 AM
Those 'rebar thingies' are called 'dowel bars'.  Some contractors place them before paving and others have more sophisticated paving machines that insert them as the concrete is being poured.

They hold adjacent squares of concrete in place in relation to each other and make a huge difference in the service life and long-term ride quality of the roads that they are used in!

Mike

Thank you!

As for the future I-69/SR 445 interchange, here's a couple of schematics:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/393/19873589399_47ef7a612e_b.jpg)
Source: Indiana Department of Transportation Letting Documents

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/264/20065609551_cd59233fcc_z.jpg)
Source: Indiana Department of Transportation Letting Documents

Eventually, I imagine, SR 445 will be extended east of Interstate 69 to intersect with either Carmichael Road or W. Rock East Road in Monroe County. Why Monroe County didn't push for that in the first place is a bit puzzling.

Here's a aerial view of the area:

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Source: Google Maps/Imagery
I hope you're right about the extension, I could have sworn this interchange was a trumpet, but they must have changed it. But that's a roundabout interchange, not sure if that's the technical name but that's what I'd call it. Not quite "teardrop style" though. They thankfully didn't go through with this at the 37/69 interchange, don't think that would have worked there at all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on July 27, 2015, 03:31:30 PM
I believe the technical term is "dogbone" interchange. If the roundabouts on either side were complete circles, it would be a "dumbell" interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on July 27, 2015, 04:02:38 PM
Will I-69 be plowing through Indianapolis, and/or SR 37 is eliminated on I-465 and I-69 joins the party on I-465? Will any part of SR 37 be truncated? Because the missing section of about 130 miles shows that SR 37 will make way for I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 27, 2015, 04:02:38 PM
Will I-69 be plowing through Indianapolis, and/or SR 37 is eliminated on I-465 and I-69 joins the party on I-465? Will any part of SR 37 be truncated? Because the missing section of about 130 miles shows that SR 37 will make way for I-69.
Pretty sure 37 will be consigned and not be chopped up at all. There is a chance it could happen if the noblesville/fishers section gets turned over (no clue if it will happen). And it will likely never go through Indy, there are no plans to do that. I feel the only way you could get that done is if Jim Brainard was mayor of Indy because he's relentless when it comes to acquiring land for road projects. The only hard part would be connecting binford with the north split, binford would be easier, just do dogbone roundabout interchanges. But I've talked about this before earlier, not going to beat the dead horse again on that.
69 will ride around the city along the east side cosigned with 465. I really hope they fix that bs interchange at least
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
not sure the status of the project, but here's a link: http://www.urs.com/projects/i-465i-69-northeast-corridor/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on July 27, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
not sure the status of the project, but here's a link: http://www.urs.com/projects/i-465i-69-northeast-corridor/

I sure hope that something like this gets done in my lifetime. 465 desperately needs widening between Allisonville and I-69 and the I-465/I-69 interchange needs some major reconfiguring, at least from EB 465 - NB 69.  There's a BGS for 69 going EB on 465 that has 82nd street covered up so I think they're at least thinking about doing something like this in the future.  The question is when will they have funding?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on July 27, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
not sure the status of the project, but here's a link: http://www.urs.com/projects/i-465i-69-northeast-corridor/

I sure hope that something like this gets done in my lifetime. 465 desperately needs widening between Allisonville and I-69 and the I-465/I-69 interchange needs some major reconfiguring, at least from EB 465 - NB 69.  There's a BGS for 69 going EB on 465 that has 82nd street covered up so I think they're at least thinking about doing something like this in the future.  The question is when will they have funding?

that interchange was supposed to be finished when they redid the 37 interchange, but they cancelled it.  i have no idea if it's completely cancelled, though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on July 27, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 26, 2015, 06:45:21 PM

I-69 bridges crossing over East Mineral-Koleen Road in southern Greene County. Awaiting the arrival of four beams, which, I imagine, will be set in place next week, if the weather cooperates. White Construction, contractor (Section 4, Segment 3).

This bridge has been stuck in this missing span configuration most of the summer.  Do you have specific information that leads you to believe progress is impending?  I had heard a beam was dropped south of Martinsville earlier this summer and I suspect it was part of this span.  I also have no idea how long it takes to replace a damaged pre-cast beam.

Another curiosity, the bridge west of the Mineral-Koleen road has more "traditional" steel beams.  As far as I know, it is the only one not using pre-cast concrete.

Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2015, 01:54:28 PM

Eventually, I imagine, SR 445 will be extended east of Interstate 69 to intersect with either Carmichael Road or W. Rock East Road in Monroe County. Why Monroe County didn't push for that in the first place is a bit puzzling.


During the planning of section 4, Monroe County was fighting every inch. I've said before, they should probably have at least one interchange nearer 37, but couldn't bring themselves to provide constructive input.  Interesting now because Bloomington will have one exchange every mile inside city limits for section 5.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
Wasn't Bloomington one of the cities most against it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 27, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on July 27, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
not sure the status of the project, but here's a link: http://www.urs.com/projects/i-465i-69-northeast-corridor/

I sure hope that something like this gets done in my lifetime. 465 desperately needs widening between Allisonville and I-69 and the I-465/I-69 interchange needs some major reconfiguring, at least from EB 465 - NB 69.  There's a BGS for 69 going EB on 465 that has 82nd street covered up so I think they're at least thinking about doing something like this in the future.  The question is when will they have funding?

Yes Bloomington was very vocal against the project, though it probably wasn't EVERYONE in town, just the really vocal ones, I remember the NO I-69 signs traveling south on Walnut Street entering town years ago. So naturally they are probably going to end up with one of the most aesthetically-pleasing looking interstates of any city in the state.

That 82nd Street on the BGS was back when they were still planning on rebuilding the 465/69 interchange. I think it was stupid that they cancelled that when they had already widened 465 from US 31 to Allisonville Road leading to a bottleneck in that area now.

As for further south in Monroe County I would have a suspicion that the people in the southwestern part of the county where there is no exit from SR 37 to SR 445 would prefer if there were no exit in between since that sort of thing usually leads to the construction of gas stations and whatnot, there was something a while ago up in the H-T newspaper about the county coming up with rules about possible truck stops. As it is, local traffic will still use SR 45 while thru traffic in the area will take 69 and I don't see much harm in that.

I was down in Bloomington over the weekend and saw the construction there for myself. I guess they aren't rebuilding the bridge at SR 48 but are adding a little bit on the edges instead. Also I saw some work at Kinser Pike where I guess a bridge will built out, as well as the other construction already mentioned. I do wonder, if Sections 1-3 were built a few years later than they were, how many of those exits might have roundabouts as well? The way this state is going with roundabouts at exits I would guess that some might have featured them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 27, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on July 27, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 27, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
not sure the status of the project, but here's a link: http://www.urs.com/projects/i-465i-69-northeast-corridor/

I sure hope that something like this gets done in my lifetime. 465 desperately needs widening between Allisonville and I-69 and the I-465/I-69 interchange needs some major reconfiguring, at least from EB 465 - NB 69.  There's a BGS for 69 going EB on 465 that has 82nd street covered up so I think they're at least thinking about doing something like this in the future.  The question is when will they have funding?

Yes Bloomington was very vocal against the project, though it probably wasn't EVERYONE in town, just the really vocal ones, I remember the NO I-69 signs traveling south on Walnut Street entering town years ago. So naturally they are probably going to end up with one of the most aesthetically-pleasing looking interstates of any city in the state.

That 82nd Street on the BGS was back when they were still planning on rebuilding the 465/69 interchange. I think it was stupid that they cancelled that when they had already widened 465 from US 31 to Allisonville Road leading to a bottleneck in that area now.

As for further south in Monroe County I would have a suspicion that the people in the southwestern part of the county where there is no exit from SR 37 to SR 445 would prefer if there were no exit in between since that sort of thing usually leads to the construction of gas stations and whatnot, there was something a while ago up in the H-T newspaper about the county coming up with rules about possible truck stops. As it is, local traffic will still use SR 45 while thru traffic in the area will take 69 and I don't see much harm in that.

I was down in Bloomington over the weekend and saw the construction there for myself. I guess they aren't rebuilding the bridge at SR 48 but are adding a little bit on the edges instead. Also I saw some work at Kinser Pike where I guess a bridge will built out, as well as the other construction already mentioned. I do wonder, if Sections 1-3 were built a few years later than they were, how many of those exits might have roundabouts as well? The way this state is going with roundabouts at exits I would guess that some might have featured them.
It's interesting that Bloomington hated it so much, the construction affects them the least. Was r/w even needed? (Not counting the split on the south side)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 27, 2015, 09:09:59 PM
Some R/W was needed to the interchanges. Looking at the updated imagery for the Bloomington area there are several homes gone around the new Fullerton and Tapp interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 27, 2015, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: andy on July 27, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 26, 2015, 06:45:21 PM

I-69 bridges crossing over East Mineral-Koleen Road in southern Greene County. Awaiting the arrival of four beams, which, I imagine, will be set in place next week, if the weather cooperates. White Construction, contractor (Section 4, Segment 3).

This bridge has been stuck in this missing span configuration most of the summer.  Do you have specific information that leads you to believe progress is impending?  I had heard a beam was dropped south of Martinsville earlier this summer and I suspect it was part of this span.  I also have no idea how long it takes to replace a damaged pre-cast beam.

I wasn't aware the bridge over East Mineral-Koleen Road has had that missing span for most of the summer. I also don't have any specific information when the final beams might be set. The "next week" was just a guesstimate on my part. However, it's reasonable to expect the arrival of the beams soon--whether this week, the next or early next month--because this bridge (and all bridges) must be finished and open to traffic in five months.

According to an article published May 7 in the local Herald-Times, two beams destined for Section 4 bridges were damaged during transport. The first incident occurred April 16 when a truck carrying a 150-foot beam overturned at a construction site. The other happened April 23 on SR 37 near Martinsville when steering malfunctioned on the rear trailer of a truck and a beam slid off into a ditch. The beam involved in the first incident was intended for Segment 3, of which the Mineral-Koleen bridges are part of. White Construction is the prime contractor for that section. The second incident beam was planned for either Segment 1 or 9, of which Crider and Crider is the main contractor. The replacement beam for White Construction was already being expected when the article was written, while a new beam for Crider was undergoing fabrication.

These beam issues were resolved months ago and now play no role whatsoever when the bridges over East Mineral-Koleen Road will be completed. But you've sparked my curiosity. I'll poke around and if I find out when the final 4 beams are to be set I'll put up a post. Construction on Section 4 has been accelerating in recent weeks; several crews were out working last Saturday. If things come to a pinch, I imagine, we'll see night work. The schedule is to finish and open the road by the end of the year, and I'd be very surprised if they fail to do so.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 28, 2015, 03:18:08 AM
Quote from: andy on July 27, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2015, 01:54:28 PM

Eventually, I imagine, SR 445 will be extended east of Interstate 69 to intersect with either Carmichael Road or W. Rock East Road in Monroe County. Why Monroe County didn't push for that in the first place is a bit puzzling.


During the planning of section 4, Monroe County was fighting every inch. I've said before, they should probably have at least one interchange nearer 37, but couldn't bring themselves to provide constructive input.  Interesting now because Bloomington will have one exchange every mile inside city limits for section 5.

The powers that be in Bloomington and Monroe County could have handled the coming of I-69 better. When construction fully commenced in Sections 1, 2 & 3, it should have been obvious the road was going to be built--through Bloomington and up to Indianapolis. There were those who hoped otherwise and fought tooth and nail, but when looked at from a broader perspective, it's hard to see how SR 37 wouldn't be involved. There was no way the interstate was going to terminate at US 231 when SR 37 was just 27 miles away. The extension might have been delayed because of legal challenges or postponed due to a lack of funds, but eventually it was going to happen, one way or another.

As for an additional I-69 interchange in Monroe County between SR 37 and SR 445, the options are rather limited and can easily be narrowed down to three possible locations: Harmony Road, Rockport Road, and Breeden Road. Harmony is almost a non-starter because the rugged terrain makes constructing an interchange almost impossible; it would be extraordinary expensive. Rockport Road would work, but as the interchange would be close to the 37 interchange, some might question the reason why it's needed. Breeden Road, like Harmony and Rockport road, is a rural arterial. But it, too, might be considered too near an existing interchange (SR 445) to be feasible. Would probably also carry a pretty big price tag. Harmony Road is the ideal interchange location, but, unfortunately, because it crosses 80 feet above I-69 mainline, it just isn't going to happen, not now, nor 50 years from now. Another interchange on I-69 in Monroe County west of SR 37 would probably involve an entirely new road.

But before a new interchange in Monroe County is even broached, it seems more apparent that by simply extending SR 445 to the east–a link up to either Carmichael Road or W. Rock East Road–would come first. First, the I-69 interchange would already exist. SR 445 only needs to extended about 1/2 mile to intersect with Carmichael Road. Moreover, it wouldn't be a major project, nor should it be overly expensive. As for the concerns over commercial enterprises being built near the interchange, such as a service station or fast food restaurant, Monroe County could simply keep the land zoned for rural/agriculture use. Besides, the ideal location for any such establishment is where the field office for E & B Paving is currently situated, just northwest of the interchange ... in Greene County.

Some things to keep in mind:

- Bloomington and Monroe County are two distinct entities. The city of Bloomington is a college town and has a populace and a government that likes the way things are and wants to keep them that way. Any change, such as I-69, is looked upon with suspicion. Monroe County, though similar in temperament and sentiment, is not Bloomington. It is Monroe County that wants to connect Fullerton Pike with W. Gordon Road on the county's southside to create a significant east-west arterial road. The city of Bloomington is of course involved but it's the County's project.

- If Monroe County and Bloomington continue to grow (based on past population growth rates, Bloomington is likely to be a city of 100,000 by 2030, less than 15 years away), more roads will need to be built and others expanded; I-69 is bound to come into play one way or another.

- Things change. What people think and want today may be very different 10, 15 or 30 years from now.




Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on July 28, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2015, 11:57:06 PM

I wasn't aware the bridge over East Mineral-Koleen Road has had that missing span for most of the summer. I also don't have any specific information when the final beams might be set. The "next week" was just a guesstimate on my part. However, it's reasonable to expect the arrival of the beams soon--whether this week, the next or early next month--because this bridge (and all bridges) must be finished and open to traffic in five months.


Thanks,  I'm all for being optimistic; just looking for some backup info.
I don't get that direction often, but have been curious why that one span is still missing.  I may make a special trip or two just to check over the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 28, 2015, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: andy on July 28, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2015, 11:57:06 PM

I wasn't aware the bridge over East Mineral-Koleen Road has had that missing span for most of the summer. I also don't have any specific information when the final beams might be set. The "next week" was just a guesstimate on my part. However, it's reasonable to expect the arrival of the beams soon--whether this week, the next or early next month--because this bridge (and all bridges) must be finished and open to traffic in five months.


Thanks,  I'm all for being optimistic; just looking for some backup info.
I don't get that direction often, but have been curious why that one span is still missing.  I may make a special trip or two just to check over the next couple of months.

I just got detailed information. According to a gentleman I spoke with at the field office for White Construction, the final beams for the Mineral-Koleen bridge are expected to arrive on-site Thursday. Two cranes will be used to set them in place. One is already on location, the other will be shifted from the Dry Branch construction zone, just down the road. Apparently, because of the crane's large footprint, bringing it up Dry Branch Road and down East Mineral-Koleen is "kind of tricky," he said.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 28, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Does anyone know what's going on on 37 just south of 39? They've removed the grass in the median and started grading, is this for an impending crossover or widening?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on July 28, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 28, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Does anyone know what's going on on 37 just south of 39? They've removed the grass in the median and started grading, is this for an impending crossover or widening?

Wild guess, but it looks to me like they didn't like the contour/profile.  They are doing the same south of 2nd St. in Bloomington.  It is a good time of year to do it and it won't get easier as the road gets closer to completion.

Also, I drove through Saturday and want to compliment the construction crews.  Lots of work and very minimal disruption to the through traffic.  :clap:

Edit: And also the fellow travelers were patient and orderly.  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TravelingBethelite on August 04, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
Just as an aside-the RmcN 2016 Road Atlas shows I-69 complete up to IN 37, and freeway under construction on the west side of Bloomington.  :cool:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on August 05, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 28, 2015, 02:47:10 PM

I just got detailed information. According to a gentleman I spoke with at the field office for White Construction, the final beams for the Mineral-Koleen bridge are expected to arrive on-site Thursday. Two cranes will be used to set them in place. One is already on location, the other will be shifted from the Dry Branch construction zone, just down the road. Apparently, because of the crane's large footprint, bringing it up Dry Branch Road and down East Mineral-Koleen is "kind of tricky," he said.

Construction update:
I took the long way home today and the bridge beams are up over Mineral-Koleen.
The northbound on and off ramps at 45 are being poured.
Everything I could see between US231 and SR45 is looking good. 
I can almost see that section being open before the advertised "end of year".

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 06, 2015, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: andy on August 05, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 28, 2015, 02:47:10 PM

I just got detailed information. According to a gentleman I spoke with at the field office for White Construction, the final beams for the Mineral-Koleen bridge are expected to arrive on-site Thursday. Two cranes will be used to set them in place. One is already on location, the other will be shifted from the Dry Branch construction zone, just down the road. Apparently, because of the crane's large footprint, bringing it up Dry Branch Road and down East Mineral-Koleen is "kind of tricky," he said.

Construction update:
I took the long way home today and the bridge beams are up over Mineral-Koleen.
The northbound on and off ramps at 45 are being poured.
Everything I could see between US231 and SR45 is looking good. 
I can almost see that section being open before the advertised "end of year".

I wouldn't be surprised if that opens first since they were talking about Section 4 "opening in phases" at one point last year.  Of course the dynamics may have changed with Section 5 being under construction now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on August 06, 2015, 08:26:53 PM
If they could open 231 to 445 early that would take 20 minutes off the ride from Bloomington to Crane
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 09, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
The Bloomington Herald-Times has posted a couple short 4-min audio podcasts of a reporter driving northbound from Bloomington to Martinsville and then back south to Bloomington through the I-69 Section 5 construction.

https://soundcloud.com/the-herald-times/michaels-northbound-trip
https://soundcloud.com/the-herald-times/michaels-southbound-trip
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on August 14, 2015, 11:43:47 PM
I drove by parts of section 4 yesterday and today. No pictures, but some notes about what I could see without trespassing or driving into the ditch rubber necking.

SR37 Northbound is completely torn up.  Does not appear to be graded yet.
SR37 Southbound has been complete for a while and is currently hosting 37N (no news there).
Under SR37S, 69 is still dirt, but the grade looks good.
West of SR37, asphalt is being laid down and getting close to the exchange.
The 69 grade separation for South Rockport road has bridge beams in place, but no decking.
Rockport is open to traffic under those beams, but is manually controlled for a construction crossing.
South Harmony is closed, but the bridge looks close to completion. Should be a good view when open.
I didn't check out S. Burch.
The bridge and overpass at Indian Creek and S. Breeden look good from the bottom, but the concrete walls are not done.
I skipped over everything from there to the intersection of SR45 and SR445.  It is a busy intersection, so I was mostly paying attention to driving. The equipment and construction materials around SR445 looks pretty dis-organized, but I think it is getting the last bits of concrete for the travel lanes.
On to SR54, Hobbieville road is still closed. Not much to see at the I-69 overpass without getting out of the car.
Back to SR45 at the I69 interchange, the west side has the travel lanes and ramps fully concreted.  East is mostly done except the concrete plant is still sitting in the middle of the southbound lanes.
Still no signs of the finishing touches such as signage or paint anywhere. (I'm not surprise).

Also, I can't find it on the internet, but the local radio station announce that there are a number of lane closures planned for the open sections of I69 through the fall.  I remember some deep patching and another try at the south end of the Patoka River bridges. Hopefully they also get the broken BGS's work completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on August 15, 2015, 01:17:27 PM
Yes. I traveled north on 69 from Washington to Crane last week and at the top of the NB entrance ramp at US50, a large section of the roadway had collapsed. I was told it was repaired this past week. Many of the bridge approaches have been repaired as well, from what I've been told by others traveling south towards Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
Quote from: andy on August 14, 2015, 11:43:47 PM
I drove by parts of section 4 yesterday and today. No pictures, but some notes about what I could see without trespassing or driving into the ditch rubber necking.

Nice write-up on the current status of Section 4 construction. Thanks, Andy!

I also took a short tour down that way earlier this week. A few additional points about recent progress:

- The stretch of road between Harmony Road and the Breeden Road/Indian Creek bridges has been paved with PCCP; that's about 2 miles in total. (Segment 7, E & B Paving, contractor)
- Sub-base material is being laid from just north of Tramway Road to Lodge Road; PCCP paving is soon forthcoming. (Segment 8, E. S. Wagner & Co., prime contractor; E & B Paving is the sub that will do the paving.)
- Earth work is still continuing in the vicinity of Harmony Road to lower the grade to match that of Section 7. (Segment 8, E. S. Wagner & Co., contractor)
- Considerable grading work remains between the SR 445/I-69 interchange and the Indian Creek and Breeden Road bridges (Segment 7, E & B Paving, contractor)
- Grading/embankment work is ongoing west of the Carmichael Road/Indian Creek bridges (Segment 5, Milestone Contractors)

The last two points highlight where considerable work still remains to be done. The recent good weather has been beneficial as crews continue to push hard to whip the roadbed into shape in preparation for paving. Since both of these stretches of roadway are slated to receive PCCP, time is limited because work with concrete becomes much more challenging when the hard freezes begin to occur in late October. Once the mainline is paved up, shoulder work utilizing warm mix asphalt can then proceed until nearly the end of the year. It's possible the SR 445/I-69 interchange with the roundabouts will be one of the final parts of Section 4 to be completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2015, 03:43:29 PM
And now some pics. Photos were taken August 13, 2015, unless otherwise identified.

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Placing the beams that will carry southbound I-69 over Rockport Road in southwestern Monroe County, Indiana. E. S. Wagner & Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).

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Another view of the beam placement work at the Rockport Road overpasses.

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Yet another view of the ongoing beam placement work at Rockport Road in Monroe County, Indiana. Note in the background the grading work occurring on the mainline.

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The last two beams for the Rockport Road overpasses (and, it might be added, the final two beams to be placed in all of Section 4) await installation.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2015, 04:21:53 PM
More pics, for your viewing pleasure. All were taken August 13, 2015 unless otherwise identified.

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Grinding down the hill at Harmony Road, Monroe County, Indiana, to lower the roadbed to match that of Section 7; looking northwest. E. S. Wagner & Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8). The concrete is the beginning of a 2-mile stretch of paved roadway between Harmony Road and Breeden Road.

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Excavation work continues on the mainline roadbed at Harmony Road; looking northwest.

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The nearly complete Harmony Road bridge; looking north.

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Guardrail work using a metal-cutting saw on Harmony Road bridge.

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Mainline grading activities; looking northeast from Harmony Road.

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Sub-base material being laid for mainline I-69, just south of the Happy Creek bridges in Monroe County; looking southeast. E. S. Wagner & Co., prime contractor (Segment 8).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2015, 04:50:33 PM
One last batch. Photos were taken August 13, 2015 unless otherwise identified.

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Mainline I-69 bridges over Carmichael Road and Indian Creek in eastern Greene County, Indiana. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 6).

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Another perspective of the mainline I-69 bridges crossing Carmichael Road and Indian Creek in Greene County. In the background, where earth work is ongoing, note the dividing line between Segments 5 and 6. The stretch of roadway between the bridges and the SR 445/I-69 interchange will probably be paved with PCCP soon, if not already.

And, finally, a quick glance at Section 5.

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Nearly completed Rockport Road and bridge over SR 37/future I-69 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. I-69 Development Partners/Isolux [subs Crider & Crider; Force Construction; E & B Paving] (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 5).

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Another perspective of the Rockport Road bridge; looking northeast.

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Activities continue in and around the future 17th Street/Vernal Pike bridge; looking west. The road in the background is Vernal Pike.

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Looking north at State Road 37/future Interstate 69 from the vicinity of the 17th Street/Vernal Pike construction zone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 17, 2015, 12:46:04 AM
It was recently mentioned on the forum (Andy, I believe) that paving had begun on Segment 9 for the new State Road 37/I-69 interchange ... so I motored over for a quick look-see. Yes, indeed, we have asphalt! Photos were taken August 16, 2015.

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I-69 Segment 9 mainline paving with the first and the start of the second layer of asphalt. Looking north toward the State Road 37/I-69 interchange from the Bolin Lane overpasses. The road spur swinging right in the background is the exit ramp for SR 37 South. Crider & Crider, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 9).

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Another view of the I-69 Segment 9 mainline pavement, looking north toward the Bolin Lane overpasses.

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A slightly different vantage point, again looking north toward the Bolin Lane overpasses.

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And, lastly, another perspective looking north toward the State Road 37/I-69 interchange from the Bolin Lane overpasses.

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Looking south from near the Bolin Lane overpasses toward the mainline bridges over an unnamed tributary to Clear Creek in Monroe County, Indiana. Just beyond the overpasses is the dividing line between Segments 8 and 9.

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Another view of the mainline and the bridges over an unnamed tributary to Clear Creek, looking south.

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The field office for I-69 Section 4, Segment 9 contractor Crider & Crider on S. Glenview Dr. in Monroe County, Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 17, 2015, 12:55:13 AM
I must say I'm loving your pictures, I'm finding out more about the construction right here than I am through local media (mainly due to the Herald-Times paywall) and INDOT. My dad's very interested in this project and when he asks me if I know anything knew about the construction I just show him this page.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Is that field office a home that will eventually be torn down for construction?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on August 17, 2015, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Is that field office a home that will eventually be torn down for construction?
Yup, it's a house that may be sold to people who want to live there if/when construction is done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on August 18, 2015, 12:05:16 PM
Love the pictures... Keep em coming!

I love the smell of fresh asphalt.  :spin:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 18, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
Rockport Road overpass now open for traffic, Fullerton Pike closing for interchange construction (http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2015/08/i-69-section-5-announces-opening-of-rockport-road.php).  I'd say that's the first major piece done of the Section 5 improvements.

Will be interesting to see where they end up being at on the schedule for Section 5 (http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/schedule.htm) by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on August 18, 2015, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 17, 2015, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Is that field office a home that will eventually be torn down for construction?
Yup, it's a house that may be sold to people who want to live there if/when construction is done.

That's sort of the opposite of what HB was guessing, so not a "yes", but thanks for clarifying.

I was wondering why such elaborate architecture for a temporary structure, but this actually makes sense. Why spend money to build a box that'll be torn down, when instead you can build a nice looking house and sell it for a profit when you're done with it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Big John on August 18, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
^^ Usually portable trailers are used for field offices.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Purgatory On Wheels on August 18, 2015, 11:30:52 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 17, 2015, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Is that field office a home that will eventually be torn down for construction?
Yup, it's a house that may be sold to people who want to live there if/when construction is done.

I suspect that HB is far more intelligent than you seem to be giving him credit for being.

His question most likely stems from the fact that the house pictured looks relatively new.  In areas where new right-of-way is being constructed, it's common for buildings to be condemned and demolished, and some of those buildings that exist close to, but not directly within, the construction zone are appropriated by the contractors to be used as field offices.  When plans for new construction are announced, it would be unusual for authorities to issue a building permit for land likely to be bought by the state soon after.  Obviously the homeowner wouldn't want to lose the house, and the state wouldn't want to have to pay even more to condemn improved land.  So the picture makes one wonder: did someone drop the ball, or did the routing change significantly? 

Be more judicious in your posts.
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 19, 2015, 12:19:54 AM
The address is in the photo caption.

This is the house: I-69 Field Office House on Bing Maps (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qhghfd7skvh2&lvl=19.89&dir=265.6&sty=b&sp=Point.qhghf%3Cbr%20/%3Ed7skvh2_Untitled%2520item____&q=S%20Glenview%20Dr%2C%20Bloomington%2C%20IN%2047403)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on August 19, 2015, 08:25:37 AM
Home was built in 2009, according to this http://egis.39dn.com/egisv4/View/egisprc.cfm?pin_18=53-08-30-400-011.000-008 (http://egis.39dn.com/egisv4/View/egisprc.cfm?pin_18=53-08-30-400-011.000-008)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on August 19, 2015, 09:13:14 AM
Great pictures, thanks so much for sharing them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Alex on August 19, 2015, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Is that field office a home that will eventually be torn down for construction?

Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 19, 2015, 12:19:54 AM
The address is in the photo caption.

This is the house: I-69 Field Office House on Bing Maps (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qhghfd7skvh2&lvl=19.89&dir=265.6&sty=b&sp=Point.qhghf%3Cbr%20/%3Ed7skvh2_Untitled%2520item____&q=S%20Glenview%20Dr%2C%20Bloomington%2C%20IN%2047403)

I suspect it was a house taken via eminent domain that was repurposed for the I-69 road work. When Rush Wickes and I met up with Brian Doreste from MTR back in 2000, we met at the DelDOT Field Operations center (where Brian worked), which was located in a house just east of the DE 1/72 interchange at Wrangle Hill. The house was retrofitted with raised floors to accommodate all of the computer wiring and equipment. You could still however grasp the original layout while walking through it.

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This 2002 aerial shows the house just east of the northbound gore point for Exit 152. It was demolished by 2005 and the site is now a part of a DMV facility (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5769643,-75.6584843,893m/data=!3m1!1e3). The Indiana house probably has the same fate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 19, 2015, 11:12:25 AM
Theoretically, it looks like it could stay.  I-69 will be in it's backyard, but it doesn't look like it will be in the right-of-way, along with the rest of the neighborhood (except for the northern part of Glenview Dr).

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: trafficsignal on August 19, 2015, 11:19:57 AM
There are multiple options - could have been a foreclosure sitting empty, a random house that was for sale when the contractor was looking for field offices, maybe even posted for rent.  While a portable trailer is typical, anything can be used if meets minimum specs and the Contractor feels it will save them money - houses to be demolished after construction, an office in town, whatever.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 19, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
True.  I've visited a field office that was set up in a strip mall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 12:56:29 PM
And I've seen one that was even in an actual office complex on the route being worked on.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 19, 2015, 12:57:16 PM
I stopped in and chatted with the folks more or less sitting idle at the Mon-Fayette Expressway office once.  It was in a disused Pizza Hut.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Big John on August 19, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
Most extensive field office I have seen is for the I-41 project in Green Bay.  They are using a former Circuit City store for it and they are using the whole space.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on August 19, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
I've seen houses that were bought for ROW and were scheduled to be torn down used as field offices up until the time the demolition was required. It would seem to be an absolute waste, not to mention an abuse of eminent domain and downright inhumane, to buy an occupied home and force the residents to move just to set up a field office. And it's hard to believe that it would be more economical for a contractor to buy a home so they could set up a field office instead of moving one of their trailers onto the site.

Quote from: vtk on August 18, 2015, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 17, 2015, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 17, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Is that field office a home that will eventually be torn down for construction?
Yup, it's a house that may be sold to people who want to live there if/when construction is done.

That's sort of the opposite of what HB was guessing, so not a "yes", but thanks for clarifying.

I was wondering why such elaborate architecture for a temporary structure, but this actually makes sense. Why spend money to build a box that'll be torn down, when instead you can build a nice looking house and sell it for a profit when you're done with it?

I doubt this wet-behind-the-ears teenager from Pennsylvania has any clue about what's going to become of that house. My guess is that it will be unfit for human habitation, unless it undergoes a lot of work, after being used for a construction field office and having muddy boots tracked all through it. I still think my original guess is probably closer to the truth.

Quote from: Big John on August 18, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
^^ Usually portable trailers are used for field offices.
Quote from: bmeiser on August 19, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
True.  I've visited a field office that was set up in a strip mall.

The Mountain Parkway widening project has an overall project field office in a small strip mall in Salyersville. An employee keeps the office open and documents and images are available for public view (but, every time I have stopped there, they've been closed.) However, the construction project now underway has a project office onsite that is a portable trailer. Given that the entire project is going to be broken up into individual pieces and two separate improvements have different contractors, there will probably be more than one field office set up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 19, 2015, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 19, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
Most extensive field office I have seen is for the I-41 project in Green Bay.  They are using a former Circuit City store for it and they are using the whole space.

Didya check out the scale model in the lobby?

:cool:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Big John on August 20, 2015, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 19, 2015, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 19, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
Most extensive field office I have seen is for the I-41 project in Green Bay.  They are using a former Circuit City store for it and they are using the whole space.

Didya check out the scale model in the lobby?

:cool:

Mike
Yes, where they had to add notes as the model had roundabouts at the Oneida St and Lombardi Ave interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 20, 2015, 09:00:32 PM
Back to the southern end, there's been a fair amount of speculation here about the future of the tail end of what was 164 in Evansville.  I noticed (but did not photograph) that the shield has been removed from the [sic] "ENDS 164" sign with no replacement 69 shield.  This is, of course, a mile or so beyond where 69 is proposed to leave the current roadway at Green River Rd., so even a temporary "ENDS 69" would be inaccurate in both a local segment and national scope.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
I believe the little gap from 41 to green river will be called 169, but knowing indot they're try and reroute 41 onto that.  Is this little gap signed as anything right now? Maybe "to i-69"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 20, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
I believe the little gap from 41 to green river will be called 169, but knowing indot they're try and reroute 41 onto that.  Is this little gap signed as anything right now? Maybe "to i-69"?
According to I-164's Wikipedia article the orphan part of I-164 left in Evansville is still I-164 but not signed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:14:05 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 20, 2015, 09:18:36 PM
Considering the orphan section of I-164 left is not even 2/3 of a mile it probably doesn't even need a numbered designation similar to how Keystone Avenue north of Indy works.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 20, 2015, 09:18:36 PM
Considering the orphan section of I-164 left is not even 2/3 of a mile it probably doesn't even need a numbered designation similar to how Keystone Avenue north of Indy works.
Fair point, I think the shortest route in Indiana is SR 134 (that's signed)
Not sure why indot still wants that road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 20, 2015, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
I believe the little gap from 41 to green river will be called 169, but knowing indot they're try and reroute 41 onto that.  Is this little gap signed as anything right now? Maybe "to i-69"?

It is marked as I-69 up to US 41 despite the lack of the "ENDS" shield.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
Fair point, I think the shortest route in Indiana is SR 134 (that's signed)
Not sure why indot still wants that road.

I believe SR 520 is shorter (if it still exists).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 20, 2015, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
I believe the little gap from 41 to green river will be called 169, but knowing indot they're try and reroute 41 onto that.  Is this little gap signed as anything right now? Maybe "to i-69"?

It is marked as I-69 up to US 41 despite the lack of the "ENDS" shield.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
Fair point, I think the shortest route in Indiana is SR 134 (that's signed)
Not sure why indot still wants that road.

I believe SR 520 is shorter (if it still exists).
O ya, you might be right and I believe it does still exist.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 20, 2015, 10:24:12 PM
SR 134 connects US 136 to the Indiana Girl's School (if it's still that, I'm not sure,) and I think INDOT has a thing of making sure state facilities like prisons or state parks are connected to the state highway system, I'm guessing at least. As for the lack of an I-69 End sign, I would only speculate that they are saving that for the I-69 bridge, which will be the real ending point for 69 across Indiana.

And looking over at that thread on this forum about the highway signs that have be put into decimals, such as Mile marker 68.9, I'm happy we don't have to do our interstate shields like that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 20, 2015, 10:24:12 PM
SR 134 connects US 136 to the Indiana Girl's School (if it's still that, I'm not sure,) and I think INDOT has a thing of making sure state facilities like prisons or state parks are connected to the state highway system, I'm guessing at least. As for the lack of an I-69 End sign, I would only speculate that they are saving that for the I-69 bridge, which will be the real ending point for 69 across Indiana.

And looking over at that thread on this forum about the highway signs that have be put into decimals, such as Mile marker 68.9, I'm happy we don't have to do our interstate shields like that.
That's true and I think it's the women's prison now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 21, 2015, 07:21:29 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 20, 2015, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
I believe the little gap from 41 to green river will be called 169, but knowing indot they're try and reroute 41 onto that.  Is this little gap signed as anything right now? Maybe "to i-69"?

It is marked as I-69 up to US 41 despite the lack of the "ENDS" shield.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 20, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
Fair point, I think the shortest route in Indiana is SR 134 (that's signed)
Not sure why indot still wants that road.

I believe SR 520 is shorter (if it still exists).
O ya, you might be right and I believe it does still exist.

Yes it still exists.  I drove it last month--the whole thing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 22, 2015, 02:58:15 PM
Friday afternoon, I motored down to eastern Greene County to view the progress of Interstate 69 in Segments 5, 6 & 7. Generally, lots of good to report, but some questions as well. I'll let the pictures speak for themselves. Photos were taken August 21, 2015, unless otherwise identified.

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Looking north from near Hobbieville Road in Greene County (Segment 5). Milestone Contractors (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).

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Another view from Hobbieville Road; looking north. Milestone Contractors.

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The view from Hobbieville Road; looking south. Final preps before laying the base and sub-base aggregates. Milestone Contractors

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The bridge that will carry Hobbieville Road over I-69; looking west. Milestone Contractors.

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A crew at work placing turf in the median; looking north from near Hobbieville Road. Milestone Contractors.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 22, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
On to the next set. Photos were taken August 21, 2015, unless otherwise identified.

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Looking south from near the future I-69/State Road 445 interchange. The stretch of mainline between Carmichael Road and the interchange is now paved. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).

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A more expansive view of the road and the SR 445 interchange; looking south. Work has not yet begun on the two roundabouts.

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Crews for prime contractor E & B Paving working hard to form the roadbed for the interstate at Carter Road in Monroe County, Indiana. The eventual roadbed base has been reached, I believe, and is visible as the patch of dirt where the two excavators with hammer attachments are pounding away; looking east from near Carter Road.

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Excavating dirt and rock for the mainline at Carter Road in Monroe County; looking east. E & B Paving, contractor.

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The view looking northeast from Carter Road. E & B Paving, contractor

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Large scale excavation activities underway near Carter Road in Monroe County; looking south. E & B Paving, contractor.

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A Komatsu HM400 Articulated Dump Truck loaded up and headed to the dump site just off Carter Road in Monroe County; looking west from near Carter Road. E & B Paving, contractor.

If I've incorrectly identified the dump truck, please let me know. Thanks!

Want more I-69 construction pics? Check out https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on August 22, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
Nice photos.  Great captioning of the progress.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 22, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
A few words about what's going on near Carter Road. First off, here's another pic:

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A large-scale and impressive cut excavation is now underway at and near Carter Road in Monroe County. I counted three bucket excavators, two excavators with hammer attachments, at least four bulldozers, and 12—15 (maybe more) articulated dump trucks in operation. The pictures I took, unfortunately, do not convey the scope and scale of the work involved, nor how truly active the construction site was. Having said that, I must admit that when I crested the hill for a look, I was expecting to see embankment work and, perhaps, initial grading activity, not the busting up of rock.

Whoa, baby, I thought. They've got some work to do here and not all that much time to do it. I don't know how late into the Indiana autumn paving with concrete can take place, but I imagine once the deep freezes begin to occur, it's got to be really challenging. Maybe I'm wrong, but that creates a quasi deadline of late October or early November for paving to be completed. That's only 10—12 weeks away.

But then I got to thinking about this big cut excavation and did some figuring. I'm no road engineer or construction manager (in fact, I've never been involved in construction), but the amount of material that can possibly be excavated and dumped in, say, a week, is remarkable. Here's how I figure it:

- 3 bucket excavators, each supported by 4 or 5 dump trucks
- each dump truck makes 20 dumps per day; over a 10 hour day that equals a reasonable one dump per 1/2 hour

20 dumps/day x 12 trucks = 240 dumps per day
20 dumps/day x 15 trucks = 300 dumps per day

240 dumps/day x 6 working days/week* = 1440 dumps/week
300 dumps/day x 6 working days/week* = 1800 dumps/week

*Saturday work is a given (and maybe Sunday, too), particularly as it's now crunch time–finish by the end of the year or wait until spring.

2 weeks/12 working days = 2880 dumps (12 trucks) or 3600 dumps (15 trucks)

3600 dumps. That's a whole lot of material. And that's just 12 working days with 3 excavators and 15 trucks.

The construction zone in and around Carter Road, I imagine, will look very different in two or three weeks. I'll be sure to check it out. Will we see night work? Perhaps. It depends on the weather, etc. But about 1 1/4 mile of terrain needs to be whipped into shape and then paved in the not too distant future. Why risk a wet October?

Want more I-69 construction pics? Check out https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 22, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 22, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
A few words about what's going on near Carter Road. First off, here's another pic:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/642/20148197564_c669694376_k.jpg)

A large-scale and impressive cut excavation is now underway at and near Carter Road in Greene County. I counted three bucket excavators, two excavators with hammer attachments, at least four bulldozers, and 12—15 (maybe more) articulated dump trucks in operation. The pictures I took, unfortunately, do not convey the scope and scale of the work involved, nor how truly active the construction site was. Having said that, I must admit that when I crested the hill for a look, I was expecting to see embankment work and, perhaps, initial grading activity, not the busting up of rock.

Whoa, baby. I thought. They've got some work to do here and not all that much time to do it. I don't know how late into the Indiana fall paving with concrete can take place, but I imagine once the deep freezes begin to occur, it's got to be really challenging. Maybe I'm wrong, but that creates a quasi deadline of late October or early November for paving to be completed. That's only 10—12 weeks away.

But then I got to thinking about this big cut excavation and did some figuring. I'm no road engineer or construction manager (in fact, I've never been involved in construction), but the amount of material that can possibly be excavated and dumped in, say, a week, is remarkable. Here's how I figure it:

- 3 bucket excavators, each supported by 4 or 5 dump trucks
- each dump truck makes 20 dumps per day; over a 10 hour day, that's averages to one dump each 1/2 hour

20 dumps/day x 12 trucks = 240 dumps per day
20 dumps/day x 15 trucks = 300 dumps per day

240 dumps/day x 6 working days/week = 1440 dumps/week
300 dumps/day x 6 working days/week = 1800 dumps/week

2 weeks/12 working days = 2880 dumps (12 trucks) or 3600 dumps (15 trucks)

3600 dumps. That's a whole lot of material. And that's just 12 working days with 3 excavators and 15 trucks.

The construction zone in and around Carter Road, I imagine, will look very different in two or three weeks. I'll be sure to check it out. Will we see night work? Perhaps. It depends. Weather, etc. But about 1 1/4 mile of terrain needs to be whipped into shape and then paved in the not too distant future. Why risk a wet October?
I'd have to check with the indot design manual again but I think you can pour concrete down to 45° after that you can only do it under special circumstances or something like that. Hma has similar rules but they also stop making it late in the year as well. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2015, 12:24:52 AM
Late Sunday afternoon I traveled over to the I-69 construction zones again, with the intention of getting a more complete picture on the state of affairs, in particular at W. Carter Road in Monroe County. Although it looks rather nasty and rough in the Carter Road vicinity, prime contractor E & B Paving seems to have a firm grip, and appears to be taking care of business in timely fashion.

The actual cut and excavation, while truly extensive, doesn't cover all that much ground, length wise. The breaking up and excavation of bedrock appears to be the main issue at hand; it's time consuming. But the equipment and crews on hand to do the job is impressive. I earlier reported 12—15 articulated dump trucks on site; it's actually 20. There are up to 7 excavators and at least 4 bulldozers. Moreover, as work shifts south from Breeden Road, where paving is expected to begin September 8, weather contingent, all activities will then be focused in the vicinity of Carter Road for the final push. Will they get it done? ... Of course they will. If I sounded a tad alarmist in my previous post, my apologies. Nevertheless, I hold out hope that we'll see some night work, just ... just in case ... a extended spell of wet weather descends in either September or October.

Here's a couple of pics that were taken August 23, plus a diagram of the area under discussion.

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Looking north from W. Carter Road in Monroe County, Indiana. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 6/7).

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From near W. Carter Road, looking south.

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Another view of mainline construction, from about a 100 yards south of W. Carter Road, looking south; the I-69/SR 445 interchange, while not visible, is near the small bump just after the beginning of the pavement.

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The red line indicates the area of the extensive cut and excavation now underway in the vicinity of W. Carter Road. The line represents a length of exactly 3/4 of a mile; however, the actual deep excavation and cut with rock involved is likely significantly shorter.

More pics to come.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on August 26, 2015, 02:25:34 PM
I wonder why in.gov is not updating the progress on their site, the last update was July 13th and they usually have updates by the 18th
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 26, 2015, 07:08:17 PM
More pics ... as promised. Photos were taken August 23, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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Long stretch of Interstate 69, paved up, with work to form the asphalt shoulders ongoing; looking west from Burch Road in Monroe County, Indiana. The mainline bridges in the background are those carrying I-69 over first Breeden Road, then Indian Creek. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).

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Looking east from Burch Road in Monroe County. Around the bend and then some is the Harmony Road bridge.

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And this is the view from Harmony Road bridge, looking west.

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Again, from Harmony Road bridge, but looking east. This construction zone is the western end of Segment 8. The Rockport Road overpasses are around the bend. E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).

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Another view east from Harmony Road bridge.

Check out more I-69 construction photos at https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 27, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
That view from harmony road looking west is eerily cool.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on August 27, 2015, 01:51:12 PM
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2370.htm

no progress in a month on section 1??


Am I am curious how the final four sections will be done by the end of the year as almost promised

It took them 3 years to get to 75/76% so how do they complete 25% in four months,   just seems off to me
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 27, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on August 27, 2015, 01:51:12 PM
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2370.htm

no progress in a month on section 1??


Am I am curious how the final four sections will be done by the end of the year as almost promised

It took them 3 years to get to 75/76% so how do they complete 25% in four months,   just seems off to me

Indeed, it does seem a little odd. A few weeks ago I spoke with INDOT concerning the completion map and learned it's based on monetary contractual disbursements, as opposed to actual construction completion. However, INDOT found that the percent of contractual disbursements roughly equates to the percentage of actual completion, so they feel comfortable with what's stated on the map.

Evidently, between July 13th and August 18th, some contractors received only modest contractual disbursements; Segment 1 contractor, Crider & Crider, appears to have received no additional monies. Then at 96% completion, Segment 1 is ready to open now. Until INDOT gives the final sign off, forwards the last check, and closes the contract, it will likely stay at 96%. The contract might close late this year or sometime next year; it depends whether any issues, however small, remain to be resolved.

As for the reported 96% completion for Segment 2 (Millstone Weber/Kolb J.V.)  and 90% for Segment 3 (White Construction), the actual percentage of construction completion may be a little less. Nevertheless, progress on these segments is nearing the finishing line.

In regards to Segments 4—9, all reported to be either 75 or 76% complete, those figures are probably low. The four contractors for these segments–Milestone Contractors (Segments 4/5/6a); E & B Paving (Segments 6/7); E. S. Wagner Co. (Segment 8); and Crider & Crider (Segment 9)–appear to be father along than that; completion percentages in the range of 80—90% seem more accurate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on August 28, 2015, 10:02:26 AM
Thanks for clearing that up
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on September 01, 2015, 11:21:33 AM
That section is going to be an amazing high-speed 'parkway' type of a ride once the trees on the cut and fill work on either side have a chance to mature in 30-40 years or so, like many of the 'original' interstates now are.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 04, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
A new I-69 Section 5 newsletter is up on the I-69 Section 5 site (http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/obtenerFichero?idc=68)

Looks like they have things going full-blast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 11, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
Back to the I-164 thing: My guess is that it's now a silent concurrency that ends at I-64? Or is it simply just I-69?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 11, 2015, 12:08:45 PM
If I remember reading a document that was posted here a while back, I-164 has been done away with in favor of I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 11, 2015, 03:56:13 PM
It's simply I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 11, 2015, 05:42:45 PM
Pics! Photos were taken September 10, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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Paving the southbound lanes of future I-69 with PCCP, just north of Tramway Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking northeast. The northbound lanes, from the bridge crossing Happy Creek (a little south of Tramway Road) up to beginning of Segment 9, were paved last week and earlier this week. E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor; E & B Paving, sub (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).

The wheelbarrow next to the red pick-up truck is used by a certified technician to verify the properties of the concrete to ensure it is in compliance with AASHTO and INDOT standards.


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A more expansive view of the paving operation underway north of Tramway Road in Monroe County.

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Southbound mainline on the verge of being paved up; looking south toward the Tramway Road overpasses, and the bridges over Happy Creek.

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Stacks of dowel bar assemblies await installation, near Tramway Road. Photo was taken August 27, 2015.

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View looking northwest from Harmony Road in Monroe County. Work to build up the asphalt shoulders continues, as well as activity to fix an apparent drainage issue (on the right). E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 7). Photo was taken September 4, 2015.

Want more I-69 construction pics? Check out https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 11, 2015, 07:26:53 PM
More pics! Again, photos were taken September 10, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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Another pic of the paving operation underway north of Tramway Road in Monroe County, Indiana. E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor; E & B Paving, sub (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).

The dump trucks are bringing loads of wet batch concrete from a ready-mix concrete facility on Oard Road in northwest Bloomington, Indiana. Once the concrete is loaded at the plant, the trucks have 45 minutes to get to the site and unload, as after that the concrete begins to harden. The trip from plant to site takes about 25 to 30 minutes, depending on traffic, so there is time to spare, but not all that much.

The trucks carrying the wet batch drive up the inside shoulder and stop just past the paving machinery. A mechanical arm with a large tray (seen upraised in the pic) then descends, and the dump truck backs up to meet this and unload. In the picture, the truck at the right has already discharged its load and is beginning to head back to the plant to load up again. The next truck in line will back up and discharge once the arm and tray is lowered. A third truck (slightly obscured by the machinery) awaits its turn.


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The paving operation north of Tramway Road from a slightly different vantage point.

The paving operation actually involves three pieces of machinery, together known as a Slip-Form Paver. Up front is the Spreader, which accepts the concrete from the dump trucks then distributes it with a rotating screw-like apparatus. Note the edge blades serving as a moving form. Close behind is the Finisher, which levels and grades the concrete to the appropriate depth and angle. And, finally, a Tining Machine (not shown) textures the wet slab by placing fine comb-like grooves in the concrete. It appears, as well, that as part of the Tining Machine operation, a liquid membrane curing compound is being applied to protect the newly-laid concrete and to ensure proper curing.


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Wrapping up a day's worth of paving. At this point, the Spreader machine (not seen in pic) disengaged and moved forward. The crew quickly removed a set of dowel bar assemblies (seen in the foreground), set and snapped a guideline, then installed a square beam-like barrier anchored in place with spikes. A plastic or tar membrane (the black roll) was then unfurled and attached to the barrier. The Finishing machine was slowly moved forward to fill in the last few feet with concrete, the overflow removed by hand shovel. This was all accomplished in about 10 minutes. Seasoned pros at work.

Questions: When paving resumes is the barrier shown in the pic removed and the dowel bar assemblies reinstalled? How are the pavements slabs connected? And, lastly, does the barrier component have a specific name?


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A Mack R-Model tri-axle dump truck, after discharging its load of wet batch, begins its trek back to the ready-mix plant for another load. To drain off any lingering water and material, the bed is kept up for about a minute or so before lowering. The flapping of the tail gate made quite a racket.


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Crews for contractor E. S. Wagner Co. (Section 4, Segment 8) removing the last of the remaining material between Segments 7 and 8. In the background, a crew for prime contractor E & B Paving continues work on a drainage issue (Segment 7).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TravelingBethelite on September 11, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
That's really cool. Never before have we seen an Interstate construction project in so much detail and so close up. There's a lot more to building an Interstate than slapping a number on it. Awesome photos, by the way!  :clap:
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 11, 2015, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 11, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
Back to the I-164 thing: My guess is that it's now a silent concurrency that ends at I-64? Or is it simply just I-69?

Why would 164 remain as a "silent concurrency" that whole way?

The only mystery is the official and nominal designation of what is east of Weinbach, but that is substantially smaller a piece than would have existed had the South Green River Rd. routing taken place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: txstateends on September 12, 2015, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on September 11, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
That's really cool. Never before have we seen an Interstate construction project in so much detail and so close up. There's a lot more to building an Interstate than slapping a number on it. Awesome photos, by the way!  :clap:

I guess that's probably the biggest thing for me about seeing any progress on I-49 and I-69 -- these will be the first major interstates to be completed (as well as having extensive coverage of construction) in the internet age.  Before, we really had to wait for what was often spotty newspaper or TV news coverage.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on September 12, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 11, 2015, 07:26:53 PM
Questions: When paving resumes is the barrier shown in the pic removed and the dowel bar assemblies reinstalled? How are the pavements slabs connected? And, lastly, does the barrier component have a specific name?

I usually hear the barrier referred to as a "header".  The usual procedure is to remove the header, drill holes into the freshly set concrete where the dowel bars go, and re-set the dowels and mortar them into the joint, before paving resumes.  Jointed pavement can have dowels or not (some pavements only feature a sawed contraction joint) but I would think they would not omit a row of dowel bars here at the proper spacing (usually 15 feet or so apart).  The idea is for the dowels to have a little bit of "play" for expansion and contraction and not to form a totally rigid, locked-up joint with the concrete - thus they are coated with a slippery epoxy.

I have also seen headers with holes in them, so that the dowels can be set into the wet concrete before it sets up.  I have also seen where the crew doesn't place a header but just lets the concrete slump off at the end of the paving run, then they come back the next day and cut it square with a concrete saw and do the drilled-in dowel routine.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 13, 2015, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on September 12, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 11, 2015, 07:26:53 PM
Questions: When paving resumes is the barrier shown in the pic removed and the dowel bar assemblies reinstalled? How are the pavements slabs connected? And, lastly, does the barrier component have a specific name?

I usually hear the barrier referred to as a "header".  The usual procedure is to remove the header, drill holes into the freshly set concrete where the dowel bars go, and re-set the dowels and mortar them into the joint, before paving resumes.  Jointed pavement can have dowels or not (some pavements only feature a sawed contraction joint) but I would think they would not omit a row of dowel bars here at the proper spacing (usually 15 feet or so apart).  The idea is for the dowels to have a little bit of "play" for expansion and contraction and not to form a totally rigid, locked-up joint with the concrete - thus they are coated with a slippery epoxy.

I have also seen headers with holes in them, so that the dowels can be set into the wet concrete before it sets up.  I have also seen where the crew doesn't place a header but just lets the concrete slump off at the end of the paving run, then they come back the next day and cut it square with a concrete saw and do the drilled-in dowel routine.

Thank you for the response. Thumbs up!

I believe the header that was used had holes for dowel bars because the crew was handling green-coated bars. Initially, I thought the bars were weights being used to hold the plastic membrane temporarily in place, but on seeing your response, my thinking shifted, and it is more clear they were dowel bars that were being inserted in the header. Also, in another picture posted earlier [the stacks of dowel bar assemblies], a header is seen, and it has holes.

More pics forthcoming!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on September 14, 2015, 06:29:24 PM
Great pictures and very informative description, ITB. I've never seen a project like this, so it was very educational.  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
Does anyone have any construction pictures of the Bloomington to Martinsville segment? Or has construction on that segment not begun yet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 15, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
Does anyone have any construction pictures of the Bloomington to Martinsville segment? Or has construction on that segment not begun yet?

The upgrading of State Road 37 to interstate standards, from Bloomington to SR 39 just south of Martinsville, is indeed under construction and has been for over a year.

In August, the bridge carrying Rockport Road over SR 37/future I-69 was completed and opened to traffic. Construction of the Kinser Pike overpass is well underway, as is work to add a third lane in each direction between the SR 37/I-69 interchange and the Sample Road interchange north of Bloomington. Fullerton Pike was recently closed at SR 37, as well, so that construction can begin in earnest on the bridge and future interchange.

I have posted a few pictures of Section 5 construction, and if you look back a few pages, you'll find them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 15, 2015, 06:54:28 PM
First, I want thank those of you who have expressed kind words regarding the pics and descriptions I've posted. Much appreciated!

And now ... once again ... as promised ... pics!

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Deck pans in place, construction continues on the overpass carrying northbound I-69 over Rockport Road in southwestern Monroe County, Indiana; looking west. The crane is a Link-Belt LS-248H Crawler Crane, capable of lifting 200 tons.

The row of small pine trees in the mid-background (aside the northbound lanes) were planted, apparently, out of consideration to the nearby nudist camp. The trees are most likely to ward off traffic noise, but offer another layer of privacy as well.


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The Rockport Road overpass for the southbound lanes. With rebar work nearly complete, the deck pour is soon forthcoming.  E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).


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Another view of the Link-Belt crane, as well as the form-work materials for the Rockport Road overpasses.


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Looking east from the overpasses over Rockport Road. In the background, visible as the white sliver, are the overpasses over Lodge Road. Paving should begin soon from the bridges crossing Happy Creek up to Lodge Road. Once that is done, Segment 8 will be 50% paved.


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Close up of the concrete pavement and inside shoulder of future Interstate 69 in Monroe County, Indiana; just north of the bridges crossing Carmichael Road and Indian Creek, looking east.

The fine, comb-like grooves are etched in the pavement to counter slipperiness. This is accomplished with a Tining Machine (as mentioned in a previous post) and is done while the concrete is still wet. Later, after the concrete has cured, a joint is cut using a specialized concrete saw. Joints are cut about every 10 to 15 yards and are necessary to allow the pavement to expand and contract as the seasons change. A couple more asphalt layers still need to be applied to raise the shoulder. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).

More to come ...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on September 15, 2015, 08:54:52 PM
ITB, do you work for INDOT?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on September 15, 2015, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 15, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Construction of the Kinser Pike overpass is well underway, as is work to add a third lane in each direction between the SR 37/I-69 interchange and the Sample Road interchange north of Bloomington.

Heh.  My parents' first home was on Kinser Pike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 16, 2015, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on September 15, 2015, 08:54:52 PM
ITB, do you work for INDOT?

No, I don't. But I've met in person and spoken with by phone with a few INDOT representatives, and have, as well, chatted up some of the contractors building I-69. For a good number of years, I've followed activities involving construction and development. If I'm curious about something, I'll poke around the Internet or call a contractor up. Generally, they've been very helpful, at other times, vague. On occasion, I've also examined the actual construction/engineering drawings for the project (they're available via INDOT's website) to more firmly understand what's going on.

I started taking pictures after someone on the forum lamented the fact there was little information available about the status of I-69 construction. Well, maybe I can rectify that, I thought. As I live on the eastside of Bloomington, it only takes about 20—25 minutes to drive to the construction zones in Monroe County. More time is needed if I venture further west into Greene County. Even though construction is occurring not all that far from Bloomington, a mid-sized city of 80,000, the area west where I-69 is routed quickly becomes very rural and sparsely populated. Although most people seem to be doing OK, some very well, there are small pockets of poverty, too. Good country folk, and I've got to admit, they really seem to enjoy discharging their firearms.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on September 16, 2015, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 16, 2015, 01:10:44 PM
No, I don't. But I've met in person and spoken with by phone with a few INDOT representatives, and have, as well, chatted up some of the contractors building I-69. For a good number of years, I've followed activities involving construction and development. If I'm curious about something, I'll poke around the Internet or call a contractor up. Generally, they've been very helpful, at other times, vague. On occasion, I've also examined the actual construction/engineering drawings for the project (they're available via INDOT's website) to more firmly understand what's going on.

In your poking around, find anyone willing to speculate on opening day for section 4?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 16, 2015, 11:15:31 PM
I went to a convention at IU in 1981, found the place awesome
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 17, 2015, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: andy on September 16, 2015, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 16, 2015, 01:10:44 PM
No, I don't. But I've met in person and spoken with by phone with a few INDOT representatives, and have, as well, chatted up some of the contractors building I-69. For a good number of years, I've followed activities involving construction and development. If I'm curious about something, I'll poke around the Internet or call a contractor up. Generally, they've been very helpful, at other times, vague. On occasion, I've also examined the actual construction/engineering drawings for the project (they're available via INDOT's website) to more firmly understand what's going on.

In your poking around, find anyone willing to speculate on opening day for section 4?

That's one topic I haven't broached, with either INDOT or contractors. But I have inquired whether the project will be finished and opened by the end of the year. "That's the plan" is the typical response. As for a specific Section 4 opening date, my hunch is it won't be announced until after Thanksgiving. A lot of work remains to be done, and I imagine INDOT will want to be doubly certain the road will be ready-to-go before they proclaim an opening date. While I believe the road will open to traffic this year, it isn't a slam dunk. But it's getting close to being so.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 17, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
New guy here, but I drive 37 from Indy (465) to Bloomington (IN 48 exit) every day both ways. So I can comment on what is going on that I see.

Yes they DID loose one of the Section 4 bridge beams over the side of IN37. I want to say it happened in the late spring.
I don't know how it happened but I was driving by and I see one of the trucks with the beam UPSIDE DOWN in a farmers field.
Guard rail was all torn up and the beam on the truck was cracked bad, one end was crumbling all over.
This was halfway between Waverly and Martinsville, close to  39°29'49.18"N and 86°20'25.52"W. Off to the west of the highway.
Took a few days to clean up, only evidence is a shiny new guard rail there.

Otherwise.
South to north, what I have noticed.
The Route 48 overpass looks like it's getting widened, but not by much. They poured some new supports that are attached to the existing supports. Maybe for some pedestrian or bike crossing? Dunno.

They posted closing signs for the SB only exit entrance to the shopping mall. Not closed yet.

In this area there is considerable work in the median.

Vernal pike overpass is progressing well, but it looks like it may be held up by some wires that are in the way. Man I hope they get this done. Vernal is the site of some bad backups, even with the WB road closed.

Kinser pike overpass is going like gangbusters, they probably will be done this year.

I have seen NO work for the future Sample Road interchange. People are using Sample road a LOT to cut over to OLD 37 because of a lane being closed backing up traffic.

The access roads in these areas are being held up, they are burying new lines that replace the overhead ones.

They are installing 4 crossover points right now. One will be at the top of the big hill where the road spits, another will be at the bottom where it comes back together. The other two are going to be for the creek bridges near the northern edge of Section 5

1st Crossover  39°18'21.06"N  86°30'59.15"W
2nd crossover  39°20'3.63"N  86°30'44.24"W
3rd crossover  39°21'39.18"N  86°29'24.00"W
4th crossover  39°23'38.49"N  86°27'31.92"W

Pavement patching is this area is DRAGGING ON despite what the website says. The major slab patching is done true, but there are guys going around putting in "chip and crack patches". Ether on the edge of the concrete slab where the edge is cracked off, or in the middle where there were minor cracks.

And as for the pavement patching. Is that junk ROUGH. The old concrete on the SB lanes of 37 going up the hill was BAD, and I mean BAD. Some places they replaced 100 to 200 yard sections. They didn't use a machine to lay the patches, it was smoothed by hand. Man is some of that crap LUMPY as hell. Honestly the section going up the hill needed a new machine layed section.

The bridge on the old section of IN37 near Martinsville for the access road was actually built this summer. It's pretty much done. It's the only work on the access roads I have seen.
39°22'11.88"N  86°28'49.05"W

Work continues on the grading in the median at the very north part of the section. They are carefully jackhamering away the concrete in the old turn lanes too.

That is about it for now, probably stuff I have forgotten. Will post later if I remember.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 17, 2015, 04:07:41 PM
Moose, terrific report on the status of Section 5. Two big thumbs up!!

Before getting to some pics, here's a quick rundown on Section 4:

The dotted line on the map indicating future Interstate 69 between NSWC Crane and Bloomington, Indiana, is soon to be a solid one. Section 4 is well on its way toward completion by the end of the year, but a lot of work still remains. Using Google Earth and its path measuring tool, I roughly estimate about 60% of Section 4 is now paved. By the first week of October, that number should rise to near 80%, plus or minus a percent or two. That still leaves, however, about 5.4 miles of road remaining to be paved. Contractors might be able to knock that out by the end of October, but one or two crews could be still paving in mid-November. How it goes depends on a lot of factors, foremost being the weather. The more sunny days we have, the quicker it will get done.

One component of Section 4 that remains to be completed is a 528 foot-long, three-sided box culvert for a minor tributary of Indian Creek. Think about that for a second. 528 feet! That's nearly the distance of two football fields end to end. It's going to be 16 feet in width, 7.3 feet in height. Made of steel-reinforced concrete, the culvert is being constructed off-site and will be trucked in in pieces, then installed, one piece after the other. More about this later.

Edit: No culvert will be constructed. Originally, a culvert was planned, but the steam was diverted instead.

There's a part of me that feels as if I'm taking up too much space in the forum, but the pictures are burning a hole in my Flickr account. Besides, some are already five days old, and with the pace of construction now underway, the paving, etc., they'll soon be, well, "old."


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Looking south toward the I-69 mainline bridges crossing Carmichael Road and Indian Creek in Monroe County, Indiana. In the background, the end of the concrete pavement marks the dividing line between Segments 5 and 6. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7); Milestone Contractors, prime contractor (Segments 4/5/6a).


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Another view of the bridges crossing Carmichael Road and Indian Creek. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).


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Looking north from near Hobbieville Road in Greene County, Indiana. Up ahead, but not visible, are the bridges crossing Carmichael Road and Indian Creek. Milestone Contractors (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).


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The bridges carrying I-69 over Carmichael Road and Indian Creek from another perspective.

Want more I-69 construction pics? Check out https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 17, 2015, 06:42:43 PM
I wonder if they might open Segment 1 2 and and part of 3 (US231 to IN45) if the weather sours and doesn't permit completion of the other segments.

I drove to Henderson KY a couple weeks ago, and what I saw of 1 and 3, they looked pretty much done.

There was a cop at 231 making sure folks didn't sneak onto the new interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 17, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
A few more pics. Photos were taken September 13, 2015, unless otherwise indicated.

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Looking north from near W. Carter Road in Monroe County, Indiana. Around the bend are the overpasses crossing Indian Creek and Breeden Road. The stretch of roadway with the stone aggregate already in place should be paved soon. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).

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A lonely excavator awaits its master. It appears the floor of the cut excavation at W. Carter Road has finally been reached, and is visible as the patch around the excavator. Looking north from near W. Carter Road, Monroe County, Indiana.


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Looking south from near W. Carter Road toward the future I-69/State Road 445 interchange in Greene County, Indiana. The interchange is not visible and never will be from this angle, but it's located where the road slightly rises before veering off left. The mound of earth in front of excavator is where a small tributary of Indian Creek is was found. After the soil is excavated, a long trench will be dug and a 528-foot culvert installed.

Edit: The small tributary at this location was diverted. Originally, a culvert taking the stream underneath I-69 was planned, but a diversion was undertaken instead.


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Another view of the area where the minor tributary to Indian Creek runs used to run across the I-69 right-of-way; looking north. The small white spot on the hill in the background is a "NOTICE Waters of U.S." sign. This just means this particular water course is covered under the purview of the Clean Water Act. If someone dumps their used bucket of paint thinner there, any remediation recourse or financial penalties stipulated in the Act may come into play.

Edit: The small tributary was diverted and will not cross the I-69 right-of-way.


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The bridge carrying northbound I-69 over State Road 54 in Greene County, Indiana; looking south. The truck entering the roadway via a ingress/egress point off of S. Owensburg Road is carrying stone aggregate destined for a point north of Hobbieville Road. Milestone Contractors (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).

Still more pics to come!

Want more I-69 construction pics? Check out https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 17, 2015, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: Moose on September 17, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
New guy here, but I drive 37 from Indy (465) to Bloomington (IN 48 exit) every day both ways. So I can comment on what is going on that I see.

Yes they DID loose one of the Section 4 bridge beams over the side of IN37. I want to say it happened in the late spring.
I don't know how it happened but I was driving by and I see one of the trucks with the beam UPSIDE DOWN in a farmers field.
Guard rail was all torn up and the beam on the truck was cracked bad, one end was crumbling all over.
This was halfway between Waverly and Martinsville, close to  39°29'49.18"N and 86°20'25.52"W. Off to the west of the highway.
Took a few days to clean up, only evidence is a shiny new guard rail there.

Otherwise.
South to north, what I have noticed.
The Route 48 overpass looks like it's getting widened, but not by much. They poured some new supports that are attached to the existing supports. Maybe for some pedestrian or bike crossing? Dunno.

They posted closing signs for the SB only exit entrance to the shopping mall. Not closed yet.

In this area there is considerable work in the median.

Vernal pike overpass is progressing well, but it looks like it may be held up by some wires that are in the way. Man I hope they get this done. Vernal is the site of some bad backups, even with the WB road closed.

Kinser pike overpass is going like gangbusters, they probably will be done this year.

I have seen NO work for the future Sample Road interchange. People are using Sample road a LOT to cut over to OLD 37 because of a lane being closed backing up traffic.

The access roads in these areas are being held up, they are burying new lines that replace the overhead ones.

They are installing 4 crossover points right now. One will be at the top of the big hill where the road spits, another will be at the bottom where it comes back together. The other two are going to be for the creek bridges near the northern edge of Section 5

1st Crossover  39°18'21.06"N  86°30'59.15"W
2nd crossover  39°20'3.63"N  86°30'44.24"W
3rd crossover  39°21'39.18"N  86°29'24.00"W
4th crossover  39°23'38.49"N  86°27'31.92"W

Pavement patching is this area is DRAGGING ON despite what the website says. The major slab patching is done true, but there are guys going around putting in "chip and crack patches". Ether on the edge of the concrete slab where the edge is cracked off, or in the middle where there were minor cracks.

And as for the pavement patching. Is that junk ROUGH. The old concrete on the SB lanes of 37 going up the hill was BAD, and I mean BAD. Some places they replaced 100 to 200 yard sections. They didn't use a machine to lay the patches, it was smoothed by hand. Man is some of that crap LUMPY as hell. Honestly the section going up the hill needed a new machine layed section.

The bridge on the old section of IN37 near Martinsville for the access road was actually built this summer. It's pretty much done. It's the only work on the access roads I have seen.
39°22'11.88"N  86°28'49.05"W

Work continues on the grading in the median at the very north part of the section. They are carefully jackhamering away the concrete in the old turn lanes too.

That is about it for now, probably stuff I have forgotten. Will post later if I remember.

That entire patch section will be covered in asphalt soon, I believe E&B Paving will be doing it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 18, 2015, 11:01:34 AM
Well one could hope they are going to repave them.

The crossovers looked about done this morning. So I suspect we may see the big hill there two lane for a while. There isn't a lot of space of the hill portion for equipment, particularly on the NB side. I think they have to widen some of the cuts there anyway to meet the "typical section" profile they posted on the website.

I hinted to it, but the old IN 37 alignment between Bloomington and near Martinsville has seen a massive surge in traffic for folks trying to avoid the construction. That road is popular with bicyclists from IU. There have been a couple of car bicycle wrecks already.

Also I forgot to mention there is an unrelated construction project in Martinsville on IN37. It's a concrete patch and then pave project, but they only seem to work weekends only.

Ohh and put Marion County on the stupid list. They put brand spanking new stoplights on IN37 between County Line and 465...... yeah you will get about 5 years service out of those, way to spend the tax money.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: busman_49 on September 18, 2015, 11:03:47 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 17, 2015, 04:07:41 PM

There's a part of me that feels as if I'm taking up too much space in the forum, but the pictures are burning a hole in my Flickr account. Besides, some are already five days old, and with the pace of construction now underway, the paving, etc., they'll soon be, well, "old."


Great photos!  I don't live anywhere near there but it's great to see things like this documented.  Keep posting away!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 19, 2015, 02:56:14 PM
Here we go. Pics!

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Looking north toward the Hobbieville Road overpass in Greene County, Indiana. The Mack tri-axle dump truck is returning after delivering its load of stone aggregate. Milestone Contractors (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).


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A crew works a concrete pour for an approach slab for the bridge carrying southbound I-69 over State Road 54 in Greene County, Indiana; looking south. In the background are the bridges carrying the interstate over Mitchell Branch, a tributary of Indian Creek. Further on, over the ridge and then some, is the I-69/State Road 45 interchange.


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Another perspective of the bridges carrying Interstate 69 over Mitchell Branch; looking south. On the right is the abutment for the bridge over State Road 54.


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A more expansive view of the construction near State Road 54; looking south. On the right, a crew is prepping the bridge approach for a concrete pour.


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Another view of the crew working the State Road 54 bridge approach.


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Concrete mixers head toward the State Road 54 work zone to pour a bridge approach slab. The same two mixers are seen delivering their load in a photo above.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 19, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
Another set ...

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Looking east toward the I-69/State Road 45 interchange in Greene County, Indiana; from near Old Clifty Road. Milestone Contractors was responsible for the interchange and the approaches; White Construction, most of the road shown.

Milestone Contractors (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a); White Construction (Section 4, Segment 3).


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A more expansive view of the road and the State Road 45 interchange; looking east. Crews have begin putting up fences, and although I'm tempted, the barbs seem mighty sharp.


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Looking northwest toward the bridges carrying I-69 over Mineral-Koleen Road in Greene County, Indiana. It appears deck pours have begun on the northbound bridge. For bridges of this kind, there's a specific order in how sections are poured, engineering standards which are set by AASHTO, I believe. Dang fence!

White Construction (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 3).


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A close up view of the road; looking northwest from near Old Clifty Road in Greene County, Indiana.


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The field office compound for I-69 contractor White Construction on E. Spruce Road in Greene County, Indiana.


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The main office of the field compound for White Construction on E. Spruce Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 19, 2015, 04:49:51 PM
And one more set ... for now ...

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Looking west from the Burch Road overpass toward the bridges over Breeden Road and Indian Creek in Monroe County, Indiana. Paving is moving south from bridges in the direction of W. Carter Road. The northbound roadway is being prepped with base stone aggregate. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).


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A more expansive view from the Burch Road overpass; looking west.


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Crews for contractor E. S. Wagner Co. work to shape an embankment just east of Harmony Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. This is final area of earth work for Segment 8, and even though it appears larger, it's only about a quarter mile total.

E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8)


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Close up of the excavation work to shape an embankment near Harmony Road.


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A crew is apparently working to identify and mark the location of drainage piping near the Burch Road overpass. Exactly what they were doing and why I was reluctant to ask; they seemed busy. E & B Paving, prime contractor.

Check out more I-69 construction pics at https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on September 21, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
Cleaning up email and found this notice from Indiana Department of Transportation <indot@subscriptions.in.gov>  ;
Quote
I-69 Section 6 Announces "Save the Date"  for 4th Quarter Public Information Meetings

INDIANAPOLIS — The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) is announcing dates and locations of the 4th quarter public information meeting for Interstate 69 from Martinsville to Indianapolis, known formally as Section 6.

INDOT intends to hold 4th quarter public information meetings in the following communities:

Perry Township — Nov. 30
Mooresville — Dec. 1
Martinsville — Dec. 3
The project team is currently in the process of evaluating the five routes still being considered known as the preliminary alternatives. The five routes will be screened to a smaller set of routes known as the reasonable alternatives based on the Purpose and Need performance measures, impacts to the human and natural environments, and cost.

The reasonable alternatives will be presented at the 4th quarter meeting this year. Access road, proposed interchanges and layout of the interstate will also be discussed and presented.

Hosting locations are still being finalized, but INDOT anticipates releasing those details next month.

CONTACT: LaMar Holliday, 317-881-6408 or lholliday@indot.in.gov
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on September 23, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
As always, bravo with the pics. Love the Flickr page as well.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 23, 2015, 08:58:37 PM
Progress on Section 5 continues.

They are finally constructing the east abutment for the Vernal pike overpass. Also a MASSIVE precast piece for the road just west of the road has arrived. This thing is huge. I am guessing this gets the local road under the new Vernal pike overpass.

Pavement patching drags on, the old slab is so clapped out in places that when they excavate the median to expose the side of the slab (for re-profiling)
chunks are falling off the slab into the excavated area. So when a chunk falls off, the chip and crack gang goes to work.
They also have ceased any work at this moment to cut the slab where there are concrete turn lanes. The last one took a couple solid weeks to get removed.

I know that using the old pavement is a cost saving measure, but I wonder if it's worth it seeing the work that went into saving it. Some of it was clapped out as hell. And even the paved sections on the NB lanes show a lot of wear. My guess is they get 5 years and they will be back pouring new slabs.

New electrical lines are complete in most places. Removal of old not proceeding yet.

There is a suspicious LACK of work anywhere near Oliver winery/Worms way. In looking at the diagrams it shows a access road running right in front of the Oliver winery. But the NB lanes are right up on the fence there. I am wondering if they are not going to shift the entire road to the west. The NB lanes becoming the access road, SB becomes the NB and the SB getting new lanes. My guess is supported by the fact they have a cleared a LOT of land on the west side of IN37 there.

Judging by the posted timeline and what I am seeing, they are 2 months behind. Mostly due to power line moving delays and the condition of the slab.

The south most two crossovers are nearly done, and judging by the spray pained white marker lines on the crossovers, it won't be long until the SB lanes host a two lane road going up and down the big hill where the road spreads apart.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 23, 2015, 09:35:13 PM
A few more pics!

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Looking south toward the bridges that will carry I-69 over E. Mineral-Koleen Road in Greene County, Indiana. White Construction (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 3).


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The bridges over E. Mineral-Koleen Road from another perspective; looking southeast.


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Yet another perspective of the bridges over E. Mineral-Koleen Road; looking north. A section of the southbound span has recently received a concrete deck pour.


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A more expansive view of the bridges over E. Mineral-Koleen Road; looking south.


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View of the roadway about a quarter-mile north of the bridges over E. Mineral-Koleen Road; looking south.

More to come!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: oscar on September 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM
Quote from: txstateends on September 12, 2015, 12:12:01 PM
I guess that's probably the biggest thing for me about seeing any progress on I-49 and I-69 -- these will be the first major interstates to be completed (as well as having extensive coverage of construction) in the internet age.  Before, we really had to wait for what was often spotty newspaper or TV news coverage.

Well, there was extensive Internet coverage (including lots of photos) of I-26 construction in North Carolina near the Tennessee border, many years ago. That was John Lansford's project, as was his personal website on the project.

Indiana's not my neck of the woods, just here trying to find out the likely opening date for the next I-69 segment there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 25, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
There has been no date announced though it would be between now and the end of the year, obviously not now. My experience with Indiana and these projects my money is honestly on within a week of Thanksgiving. That is purely my speculation however.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 28, 2015, 04:15:39 PM
Bridge replacement has just started on Section 5, they started on the one at  39°20'8.18"N  86°30'40.55"W. Bryant's Creek bridge.

All traffic is using the SB lanes between the two middle crossovers just placed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
Where are they gonna put I-69 between Martinsville and Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on September 28, 2015, 10:44:26 PM
Quote from: I-39 on September 28, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
Where are they gonna put I-69 between Martinsville and Indianapolis?

Most likely on SR 37 where it belongs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 29, 2015, 09:23:47 AM
We will find out for sure later this year, i believe
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 29, 2015, 11:32:21 AM
I think they are going thru the motions of looking at other routes. But Section 6 will be on IN37 most of us think.

Only new build stuff should be where IN37 connects to I 465. That section is a cluster anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 29, 2015, 08:08:57 PM
Been meaning to get some pics up, so let's get to it. Photos were taken September 20, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

The first set is of the massive long bridge that crosses Black Ankle Creek in Greene County. I get down there last Sunday only to have a series of persistent clouds block out the sun, or nearly so, so it was rather frustrating.

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The bridge carrying I-69 over Black Ankle Creek and the surrounding valley in Greene County, Indiana; looking northwest. Because the bridge is so long, it's difficult to photograph. The bridge will carry both the north and southbound lanes, separated by a concrete barrier wall. Millstone Weber/Kolb J.V., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 2).


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Close up view of the bridge.


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The bridge from another perspective. Yes, sir, keeping the American spirit alive.


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The view from the bridge deck. If work extends into evening, they're prepared. Rebar for the 4'6" high (my estimate) concrete barrier wall that will separate the traffic lanes is in place, but the concrete pours have yet to begin.


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Another view of the bridge crossing Black Ankle Creek. It's 1600 feet in length, with the bridge deck about 80 feet above the ground.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 29, 2015, 09:00:06 PM
Another set. Again, photos were taken September 20, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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The northbound lanes of Interstate 69 in Greene County, Indiana; looking east from near the bridge that will carry I-69 over Black Ankle Creek and the surrounding valley. There are only two small stretches of roadway of Section 4 that feature asphalt pavement: Segment 2 (shown) and Segment 9, up near the I-69/SR 37 interchange. Millstone Weber/Kolb J.V., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 2).


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Looking west toward the bridge over Black Ankle Creek. The concrete median wall that separates the traffic lanes is, apparently, not only limited to the bridge, but extends far out in both directions. It's possible this barrier runs the entire length of Segment 2.


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Looking west toward the bridges that will carry I-69 over Dry Branch in Greene County, Indiana. In the background, the end of the asphalt pavement marks the dividing line between Segments 2 and 3 of Section 4. White Construction, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 3); Millstone Weber/Kolb J.V., prime contractor (Section 4, Segment 2)


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Mid-range view of the bridges over Dry Branch.


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The bridges over Dry Branch from another perspective; looking west. These bridges look similar to those that cross E. Mineral-Koleen Road, but the difference is the Dry Branch bridges feature single massive piers, while the Mineral-Koleen bridges have three-column bents. White Construction, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 3).


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Close up view of the falsework for the southbound span over Dry Branch; looking west. It's part of the job, but I've got to say these bridge construction guys have considerable fortitude to get themselves out there on the edge day after day.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 29, 2015, 09:34:57 PM
And yet another set. Photos were taken September 27, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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A broad view encompassing the bridges crossing E. Mineral-Koleen Road in Greene County, Indiana; looking northeast. White Construction, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 3). Photo was taken September 20, 2015.


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Looking west toward State Road 445 from the I-69/SR 445 interchange in Greene County, Indiana. E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).


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Mid-range perspective of the overpasses carrying Interstate 69 over State Road 445 at the I-69/SR 445 interchange; looking east.


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Close up of the I-69/SR 445 overpasses.


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The western roundabout at the I-69/SR 445 interchange; looking west.


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The end of the road ... literally. Looking east from near the I-69/SR 445 interchange.


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The southbound span over Rockport Road in Monroe County, Indiana, with a concrete deck finisher installed on rails; looking east. (E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8). Photo was taken September 23, 2015.

Later I'll put up some pictures of Section 5 as well as others showing how things are progressing at Carter Road in Monroe County. It's amazing what they've accomplished.

Want more I-69 construction photos? Check out my Flickr account at https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ModernDayWarrior on October 01, 2015, 01:39:58 AM
Just wanted to say that these pictures of I-69 construction are awesome. Nice work, ITB.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on October 01, 2015, 01:55:31 AM
Quote from: ModernDayWarrior on October 01, 2015, 01:39:58 AM
Just wanted to say that these pictures of I-69 construction are awesome. Nice work, ITB.
I think that every time a new set is posted. Will be sorry when they finish and nothing new will be left to document! :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 02, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
I agree, it is nice to see that IN is serious about getting I-69 back to Indy. Seeing that the Binford Blvd. section was cancelled many years ago, perhaps we'll be seeing a Capital Beltway-style reworking of the eastern half of I-465, unless it's already happening.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TravelingBethelite on October 02, 2015, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 02, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
I agree, it is nice to see that IN is serious about getting I-69 back to Indy. Seeing that the Binford Blvd. section was cancelled many years ago, perhaps we'll be seeing a Capital Beltway-style reworking of the eastern half of I-465, unless it's already happening.

From Interstate Guide
All you need to know about Interstate Highways, a service of AARoads.com™

QuoteThe new Interstate 69 will reconnect with existing Interstate 69 at Indianapolis via a shared alignment with Interstate 465 along the south and east sides of the city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 02, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 02, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
I agree, it is nice to see that IN is serious about getting I-69 back to Indy. Seeing that the Binford Blvd. section was cancelled many years ago, perhaps we'll be seeing a Capital Beltway-style reworking of the eastern half of I-465, unless it's already happening.

There's a stupid idea being floated around called the "commerce connector" that will bypass the east side of 465.  Highly unlikely to happen, no one in the area wants it, and good luck getting the land for it. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 02, 2015, 06:03:24 PM
I-465 through a couple of projects has basically been rebuilt from I-65 north to the I-69 interchange along the east side. From I-70 northward it was widened to at least four lanes on each side. The rest was rebuilt as a six-lane interstate. That said, the reconstruction was probably done before it was generally acknowledged that I-69 would share pavement with that part of the beltway and seeing that 465 already gets heavy traffic daily along stretches of that road some lane additions may be required before I-69 is routed on it. The six-lane segment from the future I-69 exit on the south side east to I-74 will carry only six lanes plus auxiliary lanes between I-65 and Emerson, surely a wider freeway will be needed to carry that much along that highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on October 03, 2015, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 02, 2015, 06:03:24 PM
I-465 through a couple of projects has basically been rebuilt from I-65 north to the I-69 interchange along the east side. From I-70 northward it was widened to at least four lanes on each side. The rest was rebuilt as a six-lane interstate. That said, the reconstruction was probably done before it was generally acknowledged that I-69 would share pavement with that part of the beltway and seeing that 465 already gets heavy traffic daily along stretches of that road some lane additions may be required before I-69 is routed on it. The six-lane segment from the future I-69 exit on the south side east to I-74 will carry only six lanes plus auxiliary lanes between I-65 and Emerson, surely a wider freeway will be needed to carry that much along that highway.

I don't think I-69's completion will bring that much more traffic to I-465. All the potential I-69 traffic already exists; it just goes via different routes south of Indy.  And all that long-haul traffic is actually a fairly low-volume component, dwarfed by the commuters and other local trips.  As far as I-465 is concerned, the most noticeable traffic change will probably be between the current south OH 37 junction and the new south I-69 junction, a stretch which should be completely contained in the project limits for the new interchange, so any "new" volume can be accommodated without incurring additional projects.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on October 03, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: Moose on September 29, 2015, 11:32:21 AM
I think they are going thru the motions of looking at other routes. But Section 6 will be on IN37 most of us think.

Only new build stuff should be where IN37 connects to I 465. That section is a cluster anyway.

I don't see where they would put the I-69 system interchange with the I-465 beltway without destroying a TON of buildings.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 03, 2015, 08:18:02 PM
Quote from: I-39 on October 03, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: Moose on September 29, 2015, 11:32:21 AM
I think they are going thru the motions of looking at other routes. But Section 6 will be on IN37 most of us think.

Only new build stuff should be where IN37 connects to I 465. That section is a cluster anyway.

I don't see where they would put the I-69 system interchange with the I-465 beltway without destroying a TON of buildings.

I'm not sure it would be a TON of buildings.  Starting at the eastward curve less than a mile from I465 and swerving westward instead, there is a collection of lots which should be relatively easy to displace.  Also, I think the water bodies (old sand quarries?) are relatively shallow and could be filled in.
Pan north from https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6846385,-86.2019463,827m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6846385,-86.2019463,827m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en).

I expect many more building will be condemned building grade separations and frontage roads on the rest of the road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on October 03, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: I-39 on October 03, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
I don't see where they would put the I-69 system interchange with the I-465 beltway without destroying a TON of buildings.

Looks like a slew of warehouses, a motel with empty parking lots, some fast food restaurants, and lakes that used to be sand pits. Not exactly the kind of thing that would stand in the way of congressionally-mandated Progress.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on October 03, 2015, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 03, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: I-39 on October 03, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
I don't see where they would put the I-69 system interchange with the I-465 beltway without destroying a TON of buildings.

Looks like a slew of warehouses, a motel with empty parking lots, some fast food restaurants, and lakes that used to be sand pits. Not exactly the kind of thing that would stand in the way of congressionally-mandated Progress.
"Sssh. It's the sound of progress my friend." -Team Fortress 2 Medic
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 03, 2015, 10:02:57 PM
I just drove by that area an hour ago, it's basically all trucking-based businesses and parking lots with trucks in them. Nothing that would probably be considered historic or worth preservation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 04, 2015, 07:37:36 AM
Quote from: andy on October 03, 2015, 08:18:02 PM
Quote from: I-39 on October 03, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
I don't see where they would put the I-69 system interchange with the I-465 beltway without destroying a TON of buildings.

I'm not sure it would be a TON of buildings. 

I thought the majority of the properties to be taken were going to be where I-69 will meet the existing SR 37, not at I-465.

I believe I read the section of the new US 31 freeway just south of the South Bend bypass took over 100 buildings. Whether it was that high (or higher), INDOT took numerous houses and businesses to build all of the recent US 31 improvements in Hamilton County, South Bend, and Kokomo, so I am sure they would be willing to take whatever is needed to build I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 06, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
It's mostly a shallow gravel pit lake.

There is a crane rental lot up by the interstate, and a dealer selling trucks.

There are five businesses south of Epler that may need to be moved if they couldn't jig the ramps around them.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 06, 2015, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 06, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
It's mostly a shallow gravel pit lake.

There is a crane rental lot up by the interstate, and a dealer selling trucks.

There are five businesses south of Epler that may need to be moved if they couldn't jig the ramps around them.

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Pretty much what I imagined anyway. But why would they leave in the surface part of IN 37 instead of converting that into a freeway? IMHO, it would've made more sense than having that tie into a new alignment less than a mile to the west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 06, 2015, 01:41:52 PM
Have you seen the truck traffic at that interchange? It's heavy, and little to none of that traffic uses IN37 south. That intersection is THE major truck stop for Indy. That and there ar some truck terminals off Harding north of i465.

It's a huge frustration for people use IN37 south. Probably costs me 7mins on my commute.

Separating the i69 traffic from those truck stopping at Harding street will be better for everyone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 06, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 06, 2015, 01:41:52 PM
Have you seen the truck traffic at that interchange? It's heavy, and little to none of that traffic uses IN37 south. That intersection is THE major truck stop for Indy. That and there ar some truck terminals off Harding north of i465.

It's a huge frustration for people use IN37 south. Probably costs me 7mins on my commute.

Separating the i69 traffic from those truck stopping at Harding street will be better for everyone.
I guess you're right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 06, 2015, 05:51:52 PM
the only issue would be weaving problems due to proximity, but I have no idea the spacing, so it may not be an issue at all
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lordsutch on October 06, 2015, 08:17:22 PM
It's close enough, and the I-69 traffic will be going fast enough, that they'll probably need either a C/D setup (if they don't have include direct access to existing SR 37) or braided ramps. Either way that big truck stop will probably have to give up most of its back parking area.

If they shifted it a bit to the west it might end up being cheaper if they can figure out how to avoid a C/D setup, even though there'd be more "new terrain" construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 06, 2015, 09:59:38 PM
I would guess that a possible design for the interchange (besides the ones posted on the study website that are probably not etched in stone) could be similar to that of I-74 and I-465 on the west side with Crawfordsville Road standing in for Harding Street. Change the angle of 74 from 465 with that of 69 coming south off of 465 and make the ramps for Harding Street still wide for truck traffic and that could be a decent design.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 07, 2015, 01:04:27 AM
I recall seeing two INDOT prepared renderings for the proposed I-69/I-465 interchange, and both were rather extensive. The quarries, the flyovers, etc. There are indeed issues incorporating C/D lanes involving SR 37. I have no idea how INDOT will ultimately resolve the complexity, but the I-69 interchange has all the makings to be very expensive. Then again, there's a LOT of interstate interchanges, in Indiana and elsewhere, that are quite involved.

A few days ago, I briefly reviewed the methodology INDOT is using to select the final Section 6 alignment. All potential I-69 alignments are based on Section 6 being six lanes (three in each direction) the entire way from Martinsville to I-465 or I-70. Maybe this was just for modeling, but it was surprising. Even in 2045, which is the date INDOT is projecting out to, are six lanes truly necessary between Martinsville and SR 144?

As for the segment of Section 6 that will pass through Marion County and northern Johnson County, it is my hope that INDOT really makes an effort to narrow the ROW and to spare taking land whenever possible. The added third lanes probably can be carved out of the median with a median barrier wall installed, like is being done in Bloomington. It might also be possible to have this part of road declared "urban" (or whatever) by the FHWA, resulting in a modification of ROW requirements. Is there such an "urban" FHWA definition? Probably not. But a lot interstates go through built up areas, and the ROW seems much narrower than what is found in rural settings. Perhaps side barrier walls can be used. Whatever. At any rate, INDOT could and should be pursuing every avenue with the FHWA to reduce the footprint of Section 6 in Marion and Johnson counties. Ultimately, however, no matter what alignment is chosen, some businesses and residences will be affected, and INDOT must ensure the owners are treated fairly and justly compensated.

Will Section 6 follow SR 37 to I-465? Probably. Based on population growth alone, State Road 37 is bound to be upgraded at some point to a limited access road with interchanges. That in itself is a crucial argument for bringing I-69 up SR 37. Why have an upgraded SR 37 and a completely separate routing for I-69 just to the west? It just doesn't make sense. And for those who think SR 37 will be OK as it is despite future increases in population and growing density, think again. Not too long ago in Bloomington, there were no interchanges on SR 37; now there are three. Soon, because of I-69, there will be five, and no at grade crossings. Change happens. It's called progress.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 07, 2015, 03:15:53 PM
Here's two pairs of photos that show the progress of I-69 near W. Carter Road in Monroe County, Indiana.

E & B Paving is the prime contractor for this segment. They have done a remarkable job with the earth work, and it looks like paving is soon forthcoming. E & B still has to pave up the the roundabouts and ramps for I-69/SR 445 interchange, so a considerable amount of work remains. But I'm very impressed with the pace and quality of their work.

I-69 coming around from Breeden Road in Monroe County, Indiana, toward the I-69/SR 445 interchange; from near W. Carter Road, looking north.

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August 23, 2015

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September 27, 2015


Looking south from near W. Carter Road in Monroe County, Indiana, toward the I-69/SR 445 interchange.

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August 23, 2015

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September 27, 2015

In the last photo, take note of the sub-base aggregate that has been laid for the southbound lanes. They only had about 200 yards to go before connecting up with the road base near the SR 445 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 07, 2015, 04:01:48 PM
Let's get to some Section 5 photos. Section 5 of Indiana's I-69 Project runs from the I-69/State Road 37 interchange just south of Bloomington, Indiana, to near the State Road 37/State Road 39 interchange, just south of Martinsville, Indiana. The prime contractor for Section 5 is I-69 Development Partners/Isolux. Photos were taken October 4, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will carry Kinser Pike over State Road 37/future Interstate 69 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking northwest. Photo was taken September 22, 2015.

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Working on the western MSE [Mechanically Stabilized Earth] wall of the Kinser Pike overpass. September 23, 2015.

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Another view of the work on the MSE wall at Kinser Pike. September 23, 2015.

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The precast concrete Con/Span® bridge that will carry Vernal Pike over N. Packinghouse Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking west from near State Road 37. By design, the bridge does not properly align with Vernal Pike. Why this is so I do not know. Probably an engineering issue, but out of curiosity I'll check into it.

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Another view of the Con/Span® bridge; looking slightly northwest. Con/Span® is a product of Contech Engineered Solutions, whose headquarters is located in West Chester, OH. The various components that make up the precast bridge are fabricated off site then trucked in and assembled. September 22, 2015.

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The work site at Vernal Pike, just west of State Road 37; looking north. The Con/Span® bridge (not visible) is located to the left. September 23, 2015.

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One last view of the Con/Span® bridge at the Vernal Pike work zone; looking west from near State Road 37. Soon this unique perspective will be no longer. The road in the background is Vernal Pike in Monroe County, Indiana, just outside the city limits of Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 07, 2015, 04:01:48 PM
Let's get to some Section 5 photos. Photos were taken October 4, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will carry Kinser Pike over Interstate 69 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking northwest. Photo was taken September 22, 2015.

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Working on the western MSE [Mechanically Stabilized Earth] wall of the Kinser Pike overpass. September 23, 2015.

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Another view of the work on the MSE wall at Kinser Pike. September 23, 2015.

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The precast concrete Con/Span® bridge that will carry Vernal Pike over N. Packinghouse Road in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking west from near State Road 37. By design, the bridge does not properly align with Vernal Pike. Why this is so I do not know. I'll check into it.

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Another view of the Con/Span® bridge; looking slightly northwest. A product of Contech Engineered Solutions, the components that make up the bridge are fabricated off site then trucked in and assembled. September 22, 2015.

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The work site at Vernal Pike west of State Road 37; looking north. The Con/Span® bridge is to the left.

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One last view of the Con/Span® bridge. Soon this unique perspective will be no longer.
Where'd you end the photos at? Did you end just north of the Sample Road interchange?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 07, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:04:03 PM

Where'd you end the photos at? Did you end just north of the Sample Road interchange?

No. The first three photos were taken at the Kinser Pike/SR 37 overpass work zone in Monroe County, and the other four at the Vernal Pike work zone just outside Bloomington. I have made edits to the post above to clarify the specific locations where the photos were taken.

Although I've been to the Sample Road area, I've haven't taken any photos north of the Kinser Pike overpass. Maybe this weekend. We'll see. I don't think anything is happening at Sample Road right now, but some work might be occurring on nearby frontage roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 07, 2015, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 07, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:04:03 PM

Where'd you end the photos at? Did you end just north of the Sample Road interchange?

Although I've been to Sample Road area, I've haven't taken any photos north of the Kinser Pike overpass. Maybe this weekend. We'll see. I don't think anything is happening at Sample Road right now, but some work might be occurring on nearby frontage roads.

I think the reason it's 6 lanes now is because of an idea the contractor had that was cheap in price, and INDOT agreed. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 08, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 06, 2015, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 06, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
It's mostly a shallow gravel pit lake.

There is a crane rental lot up by the interstate, and a dealer selling trucks.

There are five businesses south of Epler that may need to be moved if they couldn't jig the ramps around them.

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Pretty much what I imagined anyway. But why would they leave in the surface part of IN 37 instead of converting that into a freeway? IMHO, it would've made more sense than having that tie into a new alignment less than a mile to the west.

As part of that, I'd remove and vacate the ROW of the diagonal part, redoing that area to directly feed that north-south street to the south (upgraded as necessary) into what is now the IN 37 interchange.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 08, 2015, 02:28:48 PM
The traffic is pretty heavy at times. 3 lanes are more then justified. I drive the section 10 times a week. It can be murder on a Friday.

One thing they will have to consider, that I had not considered. Farm implement traffic.
Amazingly the local farmers still use IN 37 to move farm implements to and from the fields along IN 37. Obviously this won't be legal on I69. Would they have to reconnect the existing 2 lane segments left over from the previous IN 37 incarnation? Perhaps with the access roads needed, they may end up doing just that.

As you can imagine the Farm implements snarl up traffic REALLY bad.

One other thing. I really hope they intend to ease that grade coming out and in of Martinsville near the IN 44 and IN 252 interchanges, That hill is brutal and long.

Quote from: ITB on October 07, 2015, 01:04:27 AM

A few days ago, I briefly reviewed the methodology INDOT is using to select the final Section 6 alignment. All potential I-69 alignments are based on Section 6 being six lanes (three in each direction) the entire way from Martinsville to I-465 or I-70. Maybe this was just for modeling, but it was surprising. Even in 2045, which is the date INDOT is projecting out to, are six lanes truly necessary between Martinsville and SR 144?


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 08, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
Also, I am working on a method to record the Section 5 construction with a youtube video of some manner.

There is a lot going on.

Quick update.

3rd Lane work in the median continues in the Bloomington Area.

No work at Sample Road

Vernal and Kinser Overpasses are progressing well.

Pavement work has FINALY been completed.

Ultity line relocation continues along the whole project, this is holding up a great many projects.

The access road bridge on old IN37 near martinsville is done.

Drainage work in the median near the very north end of the project is progressing well.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on October 08, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 08, 2015, 12:11:17 AM

As part of that, I'd remove and vacate the ROW of the diagonal part, redoing that area to directly feed that north-south street to the south (upgraded as necessary) into what is now the IN 37 interchange.

Mike

That's a great idea, actually.  There's no direct access from 37 to any of those businesses between Harding St (that north-south street to the south) and where I-69 would continue north.  There's no sense in building an interchange to tie 37 into 69 there when traffic that needs to access those truck stops can just continue north on I-69 and exit at the Harding Street exit before continuing around 465.  Move Hardees and the Truckomat out of the way and straighten out Harding Street.  If that happens, it probably would be a good idea for the city to widen Harding since local traffic would surely increase.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 08, 2015, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on October 08, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 08, 2015, 12:11:17 AM

As part of that, I'd remove and vacate the ROW of the diagonal part, redoing that area to directly feed that north-south street to the south (upgraded as necessary) into what is now the IN 37 interchange.

Mike

That's a great idea, actually.  There's no direct access from 37 to any of those businesses between Harding St (that north-south street to the south) and where I-69 would continue north.  There's no sense in building an interchange to tie 37 into 69 there when traffic that needs to access those truck stops can just continue north on I-69 and exit at the Harding Street exit before continuing around 465.  Move Hardees and the Truckomat out of the way and straighten out Harding Street.  If that happens, it probably would be a good idea for the city to widen Harding since local traffic would surely increase.

You shouldn't even have to move anything to straighten out that intersection with Harding St, the street doesn't have to be arrow-straight.

I'd suggest this to INDOT and see what they say.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 08, 2015, 04:38:57 PM
How long before we construction in the Indianapolis area? I'd say 2025 at the earliest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 08, 2015, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: Moose on September 28, 2015, 04:15:39 PM
Bridge replacement has just started on Section 5, they started on the one at  39°20'8.18"N  86°30'40.55"W. Bryant's Creek bridge.

All traffic is using the SB lanes between the two middle crossovers just placed.

I grabbed a shot from my car with the traffic stop and go.

Took me 2 hours to get from Bloomington to Indianapolis.

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I tried to video it, but the IPAD ran outa memory. I will post the video when it's done processing anyway. Kinda boring. Most of it is stop and go traffic.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 09, 2015, 09:22:33 AM
Short Video showing construction in Section 5 from Sample Road to IN48 Southbound.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 09, 2015, 10:49:02 AM
Here is a video of the north end of the upgrade.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 13, 2015, 09:08:29 PM
Been a while since I've put up some pics, so here's a few. Photos were taken October 4, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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The Interstate 69/State Road 37 interchange under construction in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

Soon a concrete median barrier wall will be erected to safely separate the north and southbound traffic lanes. The road coming in from the left is the entrance ramp to I-69 south for northbound SR 37 traffic. Opposite is the spot where northbound SR 37 begins to merge with I-69 north.

Crider & Crider, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 9).


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Another photo of the SR 37 merge with I-69. Photo was taken October 11, 2015. Crider & Crider, prime contractor.


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For northbound State Road 37 traffic, this is the spot where the exit ramp to Interstate 69 south veers off (left); looking northwest. On the right, SR 37 sweeps around the curve then merges with I-69 northbound. Crider & Crider, contractor.


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An interesting perspective of the ramp from northbound State Road 37 to Interstate 69 south; looking southeast. Visualize vehicles coming toward you. After crossing the overpass, they will swing around and down the ramp (left), and as they merge with I-69 south, pass underneath this bridge. Crider & Crider, contractor.


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The ramp that will take northbound SR 37 traffic to I-69 south; looking northwest. Crider & Crider, contractor.


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Looking north toward the ramp and overpass that will carry southbound I-69 traffic to SR 37 south. For northbound I-69 traffic, the exit ramp on the right is for SR 37 south. Crider & Crider, contractor. Photo was taken October 11, 2015.


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Another perspective of the ramp and overpass to SR 37 south; looking north. Work was underway with an IMT heavy drill for what seemed to be a foundation for a sign, or to fix a drainage issue. Anyone know the specific name for that wicked drill auger bit? Crider & Crider, contractor. Photo was taken October 11, 2015.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 15, 2015, 12:48:04 AM
For traffic to/from the Bloomington area on I-69, how far will it be between IN 37 and the next interchange to the southwest?  From what I can tell from the aerial images of the area, that will be a 'BAMMO!' transition between truly rural and urban/suburban for I-69 traffic.

It is very interesting, indeed, to see that kind of an entrance into a mid-sized metro area.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 15, 2015, 08:34:58 AM
It should be ten miles from the SR 37 interchange to the SR 445 interchange. But yeah, the transition will be pretty close to what you described and I'm sure that's the way Bloomington and Monroe County wants it. Actually the transition will be even more dramatic considering that once you leave the east side of Evansville there is pretty much no services or signs of development all the way north to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 15, 2015, 10:13:08 AM
It looks like bridge beams have arrived for the Kinser Pike overpass friday.

I am guessing they are for Kinser Pike. They are staging the trucks at the unused southernmost crossover just south of where the lanes split to go down the big hill.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 15, 2015, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2015, 08:34:58 AM
It should be ten miles from the SR 37 interchange to the SR 445 interchange. But yeah, the transition will be pretty close to what you described and I'm sure that's the way Bloomington and Monroe County wants it. Actually the transition will be even more dramatic considering that once you leave the east side of Evansville there is pretty much no services or signs of development all the way north to Bloomington.

The big thing initially will be going from the new terrain segments with no services or signs to a very well developed stretch of freeway between SR 45/2nd and SR 46/17th.

The area south of SR 45 has much lower traffic counts right now and is more rural.  Think they're putting in some sound walls but you can't see a lot that's off the road besides trees.  I'm sure that'll eventually get built up more and as more traffic is added that's where you'll see the big transition.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 16, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
They are indeed installing the new bridge beams for Kinser pike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on October 16, 2015, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 13, 2015, 09:08:29 PM
Been a while since I've put up some pics, so here's a few. Photos were taken October 4, 2015, unless otherwise noted.

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The Interstate 69/State Road 37 interchange under construction in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

Soon a concrete median barrier wall will be erected to safely separate the north and southbound traffic lanes. The road coming in from the left is the entrance ramp to I-69 south for northbound SR 37 traffic. Opposite is the spot where northbound SR 37 begins to merge with I-69 north.

Crider & Crider, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 9).


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Another photo of the SR 37 merge with I-69. Photo was taken October 11, 2015. Crider & Crider, prime contractor.


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For northbound State Road 37 traffic, this is the spot where the exit ramp to Interstate 69 south veers off (left); looking northwest. On the right, SR 37 sweeps around the curve then merges with I-69 northbound. Crider & Crider, contractor.


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An interesting perspective of the ramp from northbound State Road 37 to Interstate 69 south; looking southeast. Visualize vehicles coming toward you. After crossing the overpass, they will swing around and down the ramp (left), and as they merge with I-69 south, pass underneath this bridge. Crider & Crider, contractor.


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The ramp that will take northbound SR 37 traffic to I-69 south; looking northwest. Crider & Crider, contractor.


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Looking north toward the ramp and overpass that will carry southbound I-69 traffic to SR 37 south. For northbound I-69 traffic, the exit ramp on the right is for SR 37 south. Crider & Crider, contractor. Photo was taken October 11, 2015.


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Another perspective of the ramp and overpass to SR 37 south; looking north. Work was underway with an IMT heavy drill for what seemed to be a foundation for a sign, or to fix a drainage issue. Anyone know the specific name for that wicked drill auger bit? Crider & Crider, contractor. Photo was taken October 11, 2015.
Just wondering, do you think you can check out the construction for I-69 in Morgan County or is there nothing there yet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 16, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 16, 2015, 01:49:51 PM

Just wondering, do you think you can check out the construction for I-69 in Morgan County or is there nothing there yet?

Plenty going on in Morgan County.

Just watch my video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hw4CxEeK3g
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 16, 2015, 10:32:05 PM
noelbotevera, please don't quote an entire post full of photos to ask a simple question unless you're commenting on each individual photo.  For you post, all you would have needed to do is just leave the first line of his text (or maybe leave the first photo) and delete the rest of the stuff in the quote area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 19, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well, we're in the second to last week of October now... so I suspect we should get some sort of announcement regarding Section 4 opening up to traffic in the next few weeks (or partially opening up or getting delayed).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 19, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
bridge beams are all in place at the Kinser pike overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on October 19, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 19, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well, we're in the second to last week of October now... so I suspect we should get some sort of announcement regarding Section 4 opening up to traffic in the next few weeks (or partially opening up or getting delayed).
Wanna bet it'll be in November?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 20, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 19, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 19, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well, we're in the second to last week of October now... so I suspect we should get some sort of announcement regarding Section 4 opening up to traffic in the next few weeks (or partially opening up or getting delayed).
Wanna bet it'll be in November?

Just really depends on the weather. It's been really dry. But there have been a couple nights already near freezing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on October 20, 2015, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 20, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 19, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 19, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well, we're in the second to last week of October now... so I suspect we should get some sort of announcement regarding Section 4 opening up to traffic in the next few weeks (or partially opening up or getting delayed).
Wanna bet it'll be in November?

Just really depends on the weather. It's been really dry. But there have been a couple nights already near freezing.
http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/l/USIN0305:1:US (http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/l/USIN0305:1:US)(not sure how to do the word trick with urls)

Up there is the weather.com monthly link for the rest of October, in Indianapolis. It's mostly some fair chances of rain and around 50-70 degree weather.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 20, 2015, 07:43:47 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 19, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 19, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well, we're in the second to last week of October now... so I suspect we should get some sort of announcement regarding Section 4 opening up to traffic in the next few weeks (or partially opening up or getting delayed).
Wanna bet it'll be in November?

I'm not feeling too sure about November. There is still the mixer plant and a couple of big piles of aggregate in the middle of the South/West lanes east of SR 45.  Guessing a week to tear it down, a week to grade the road and set the dowel rods, a few days to pave, curing time, painting, etc.  That's got to take most of a month if the temperatures stay good. I don't think we'll see it before Thanksgiving.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 20, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 16, 2015, 01:49:51 PM
Just wondering, do you think you can check out the construction for I-69 in Morgan County or is there nothing there yet?

As Moose's video shows, there's a lot of work occurring in Morgan County. Crews are mainly working in the median to improve the drainage system and to upgrade the shoulders, bringing SR 37 up to interstate standards. Construction of the interchange at Liberty Church Road has not yet started. Of the 21 miles in Section 5, only five are in Morgan County.

Here's a quick rundown of my take where things stand for Section 5:

Interchanges
Fullerton Pike – construction is underway; probably 10—20% complete (my guesstimate, and, please, keep in mind, I'm no expert)
Tapp Road – probably Spring 2016 start
Sample Road – construction has not yet started; might start late fall/early winter
Liberty Church Road – probably Spring 2016 start

Overpasses
Rockport Road – complete
Vernal Pike – construction is underway; probably about 40% complete (guesstimate)
Kinser Pike – construction is underway; about 50—60% complete (again, my guesstimate)
Chambers Pike – construction has not yet started

Road
Additional travel lanes from That Road to SR 46 – about 60—75% complete (It's really impressive how quickly crews are completing this part of the project. South of Tapp Road, sections of the median barrier wall are now in place.)

As for the service roads north of Bloomington, work is underway, but hard to say to what degree of progress.

Bridges
Bryants Creek – construction is underway to upgrade to interstate standards
Griffy Creek – expansion work has not yet started
Beanblossom Creek – expansion work not yet started

All in all, Section 5 is humming.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on October 21, 2015, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: andy on October 20, 2015, 07:43:47 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 19, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 19, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well, we're in the second to last week of October now... so I suspect we should get some sort of announcement regarding Section 4 opening up to traffic in the next few weeks (or partially opening up or getting delayed).
Wanna bet it'll be in November?

I'm not feeling too sure about November. There is still the mixer plant and a couple of big piles of aggregate in the middle of the South/West lanes east of SR 45.  Guessing a week to tear it down, a week to grade the road and set the dowel rods, a few days to pave, curing time, painting, etc.  That's got to take most of a month if the temperatures stay good. I don't think we'll see it before Thanksgiving.
A week or two if INDOT starts relying on cut working (they really should, as winter starts in about two months, and it gets really cold in about 2 weeks to a month).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 22, 2015, 03:39:19 PM
Lots of heavy off road construction equipment being assembled at Sample road.

Off road dump trucks (huge ones)
Other items
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 23, 2015, 02:14:48 AM
With the winds and cold of winter not too far off, and Section 4 still under construction, some of you may be wondering whether the road will completed and opened to traffic by the end of the year. Following is an update on the current status of Section 4 from my perspective. Please be aware and keep in mind I am only a construction observer and have no inside info, nor have I ever been employed in the construction industry.

At this juncture, of the 27 miles of Section 4, the vast majority of mainline roadway has been paved. Some paving work remains, roughly 3 to 5 lanes miles, but that should be completed by the end of the first week of November or soon thereafter. About 85% of Section 4 will feature Portland Cement Concrete Pavement (PCCP). Only Segments 2 and 9 will be asphalt. Both of these are rather short at 2.68 and 1.8 miles, respectively.

According to INDOT specs, paving with Portland Cement Concrete cannot be undertaken if temperatures fall below 35 degrees or if the roadbed is frozen. But with all mainline concrete paving on the verge of finishing, the coming cold weather is much less a factor.

Once the paving with concrete completes, the focus will turn toward shoulders. Already a great amount of shoulder work has been carried out, but in areas in which the mainline was more recently paved or soon will be, shoulder work has not yet started. In all likelihood, contractors will be using Warm-Mix Asphalt for the shoulders. Haven't yet heard of warm-mix? It's a relatively new asphalt formulation that's been around a few years and is increasing popular with contractors. It's been estimated 30% of the paving carried out in the United States now uses WMA. One of the many benefits of WMA is an extended paving season. The old adage that when cold weather strikes, paving ceases, is no longer as true as before. With warm-mix, contractors in many parts of the U.S. can now pave in November and early December, and start as early as March. Crider and Crider, the contractor for Section 4's Segment 9, most likely used warm-mix when they paved the southbound I-69/State Road 37 ramp during the first two weeks of December last year.

Contractors for the two short stretches of road that will be paved with asphalt are both well on their way to finishing up. The entire I-69/SR 37 interchange, Crider's Segment 9, is now completely paved, albeit with only the first layer of asphalt. And they still have a full November and an early December, if needed. Millstone Weber/Kolb, the contractor for Segment 2, disassembled their large field office about a month ago. They are probably very close to wrapping up.

E & B Paving, the prime contractor for Segments 6 and 7 of Section 4, and the paving sub for Segment 8, has a nice rundown on warm-mix asphalt on their website. Here's the link:

http://ebpaving.com/solutions/warm-mix-asphalt/

Section 4 contractors will likely be working to finish up the shoulders of I-69 throughout November and early December. After that, it's sign work and striping, and, perhaps, a few final tasks to completely finish a bridge or overpass, such as end points and approaches. There's probably some work that I am not cognizant of that still needs to be taken care of, but construction in Section 4 is quickly approaching an end.

There are two upcoming benchmarks to look forward to: (1) the date when INDOT will either announce the opening date for Section 4 this year or whether the opening will be postponed to spring 2016, and (2) the actual date when Section 4 will open to traffic. Before making any announcement, INDOT likely will wait until all mainline paving and most shoulder work completes. They will want definitive evidence whether Section 4 will complete this year or not. As for the specific timing of a potential announcement, while it could be next week or as late as December, the week of Thanksgiving when construction work takes a pause seems ideal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 23, 2015, 07:31:53 AM
Quote from: ITB on October 23, 2015, 02:14:48 AM
With the winds and cold of winter not too far off, and Section 4 still under construction, some of you may be wondering whether the road will completed and opened to traffic by the end of the year. Following is an update on the current status of Section 4 from my perspective. Please be aware and keep in mind I am only a construction observer and have no inside info, nor have I ever been employed in the construction industry.

At this juncture, of the 27 miles of Section 4, the vast majority of mainline roadway has been paved. Some paving work remains, roughly 3 to 5 lanes miles, but that should be completed by the end of the first week of November or soon thereafter. About 85% of Section 4 will feature Portland Cement Concrete Pavement (PCCP). Only Segments 2 and 9 will be asphalt. Both of these are rather short at 2.68 and 1.8 miles, respectively.

According to INDOT specs, paving with Portland Cement Concrete cannot be undertaken if temperatures fall below 35 degrees or if the roadbed is frozen. But with all mainline concrete paving on the verge of finishing, the coming cold weather is much less a factor.

Once the paving with concrete completes, the focus will turn toward shoulders. Already a great amount of shoulder work has been carried out, but in areas in which the mainline was more recently paved or soon will be, shoulder work has not yet started. In all likelihood, contractors will be using Warm-Mix Asphalt for the shoulders. Haven't yet heard of warm-mix? It's a relatively new asphalt formulation that's been around a few years and is increasing popular with contractors. It's been estimated 30% of the paving carried out in the United States now uses WMA. One of the many benefits of WMA is an extended paving season. The old adage that when cold weather strikes, paving ceases, is no longer as true as before. With warm-mix, contractors in many parts of the U.S. can now pave in November and early December, and start as early as March. Crider and Crider, the contractor for Section 4's Segment 9, most likely used warm-mix when they paved the southbound I-69/State Road 37 ramp during the first two weeks of December last year.

Contractors for the two short stretches of road that will be paved with asphalt are both well on their way to finishing up. The entire I-69/SR 37 interchange, Crider's Segment 9, is now completely paved, albeit with only the first layer of asphalt. And they still have a full November and an early December, if needed. Millstone Weber/Kolb, the contractor for Segment 2, disassembled their large field office about a month ago. They are probably very close to wrapping up.

E & B Paving, the prime contractor for Segments 6 and 7 of Section 4, and the paving sub for Segment 8, has a nice rundown on warm-mix asphalt on their website. Here's the link:

http://ebpaving.com/solutions/warm-mix-asphalt/

Section 4 contractors will likely be working to finish up the shoulders of I-69 throughout November and early December. After that, it's sign work and striping, and, perhaps, a few final tasks to completely finish a bridge or overpass, such as end points and approaches. There's probably some work that I am not cognizant of that still needs to be taken care of, but construction in Section 4 is quickly approaching an end.

There are two upcoming benchmarks to look forward to: (1) the date when INDOT will either announce the opening date for Section 4 this year or whether the opening will be postponed to spring 2016, and (2) the actual date when Section 4 will open to traffic. Before making any announcement, INDOT likely will wait until all mainline paving and most shoulder work completes. They will want definitive evidence whether Section 4 will complete this year or not. As for the specific timing of a potential announcement, while it could be next week or as late as December, the week of Thanksgiving when construction work takes a pause seems ideal.

Warm mix asphalt?  do you mean Hot mix asphalt? I've only heard of HMA and CMA (Cold mix), CMA only used for potholes in the winter.  I'm assuming WMA is in between HMA and CMA, in terms of temperature. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 23, 2015, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 23, 2015, 07:31:53 AM
Warm mix asphalt?  do you mean Hot mix asphalt? I've only heard of HMA and CMA (Cold mix), CMA only used for potholes in the winter.  I'm assuming WMA is in between HMA and CMA, in terms of temperature. 

WMA is a product that attempts to improve on the constructability and environmental properties of asphalt mix.  Federal Highway Administration has a good summary here.  https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/innovation/everydaycounts/edc-1/wma.cfm
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2015, 04:20:54 PM
Time for some pics. I'll start with some two weeks old. Photos were taken October 10, 2015, unless other indicated.

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Milestone Contractors paving northbound mainline about 1/4 mile north of State Road 54 in Greene County, Indiana; looking north. The bridge in the background is for Hobbieville Road.

Milestone Contractors LP (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).


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At Hobbieville Road in Greene County, the road is ready to receive Portland Cement Concrete Pavement; looking north.


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The bridge that carries Hobbieville Road over I-69; looking slightly northwest. The bridge approaches were paved with asphalt and striped, but the side walls needed concrete and guardrails.


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The view looking north from Hobbieville Road. Both north and southbound mainline is now most likely paved all the way to the end of Segment 5 near Carmichael Road.


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Another perspective looking north from Hobbieville Road in Greene County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2015, 04:42:56 PM
More pics. Photos were taken October 11, 2015, unless otherwise indicated.

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The bridge carrying Harmony Road over I-69 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north. It's roughly 90 feet from bridge deck to the I-69 pavement down below. Although the bridge has yet to be formally named, I tend to think it'll be Harmony Bridge. Photo taken October 10, 2015.

E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).


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Looking north toward the bridges over Happy Creek and the overpasses carrying I-69 over Tramway Road in Monroe County. E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor.


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Drainage piping that will drain water from the median; looking north. Water will flow down the rocky channel, eventually emptying into Happy Creek.


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Another perspective of the draining piping; looking west.


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And one last view from about 1/2 mile south of Tramway Road; looking north. The helicopters were probably National Guard.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2015, 05:07:15 PM
And some more. Photos were taken October 12, unless otherwise identified.

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The view from near W. Carter Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north. This stretch of mainline is now completely paved, as is all of Segments 6 and 7.

E & B Paving, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 6/7).


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Crews pave northbound mainline near W. Carter Road in Monroe County; looking south. In the background is the I-69/State Road 445 interchange.


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Another view of the paving near W. Carter Road; looking southwest.


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Yup, the pup was part of the paving team; from near W. Carter Road, looking north.


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Crews prep the roadway and lay dowel bar assemblies about 1/4 mile ahead of the paving operation; looking north from near W. Carter Road.


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Looking south toward the I-69/SR 445 interchange and the paving operation moving north; from near W. Carter Road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2015, 05:44:12 PM
And more. Photos were taken October 24, 2015, unless other identified.

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Paving and embankment work at the I-69/SR 37 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking south. Wish the pic could be better, but the angle of the sun was not favorable. Photo taken October 21, 2015.

Crider & Crider, prime contractor (Indiana's I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 9).


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On the outskirts of Bloomington, Indiana, the point where the fresh asphalt ends indicates the dividing line between Sections 4 and 5 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project. In the background is the recently built Rockport Road overpass, the first major component of Section 5 to be completed.

The road bracketed by the caution barriers is That Road. Indeed, that's the road's official name. Interesting story of how That Road became That Road, but, perhaps, now is not the time. Already reduced to a partial intersection, the SR 37/That Road crossing will soon be no more, as it's scheduled to be sealed off shortly. October 21, 2015.


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Paving the northbound mainline near Harmony Road in Monroe County; looking east. For Segment 8, only 1.5 miles of northbound roadway still need paving, and that should be completed by the end of the month.

E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana's I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 8).


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A paving crew member operates a tining machine to apply a concrete curing compound to the recently paved mainline; looking down and east from Harmony Road bridge.


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The view looking west from near Harmony Road bridge. The location where the fresh concrete meets the pale is the dividing point between Segments 7 and 8.


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Another view of the paving operation as it moves northwest toward Rockport Road; looking northeast from Harmony Road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2015, 06:08:34 PM
And, finally, some pics of Section 5. Photos were taken October 18, 2015, unless otherwise noted.


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Trucks transporting precast concrete beams for the Kinser Pike overpass are stationed in a staging area in the median of State Road 37 in Monroe County, Indiana, about 5 miles north of the Kinser Pike work zone; looking northwest. Photo taken October 14, 2015.

I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsán (Indiana's I-69 Project, Section 5).


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A close-up of the trucks; looking north. October 14.


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The apparatus used to attach to beams to the truck trailers. Is trailers the correct term?


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Another perspective of the beams destined for the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana; looking south.


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The bridge for Kinser Pike after the placement of the beams; looking northeast.


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Another perspective of the Kinser Pike beams; looking east.


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Close-up view of the beams.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 26, 2015, 07:14:12 AM
The Fall Project newsletter for I-69 Section 5 is now up. (http://proi-69s5.rhcloud.com/obtenerFichero?idc=90)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on October 26, 2015, 02:40:08 PM
Read an article today from Saturday's Washington Times Herald (Daviess County) that quotes Will Wingfield with INDOT as stating I-69 is 90% complete and will open sometime in December. I tried to find the article on their website, but to no avail. I'll search some more.

He also stated they cannot say whether it will be early or late December.

We'll see I suppose. 

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on October 26, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
Regarding information on the December opening of I-69 Section 4:

I have a good friend who is involved in the SW Indiana I-69 Innovation Corridor initiative, and he told me a few months ago that his organization had been informed that this section would be opened on November 19th with the understanding that some remaining work would still done while under traffic.  Not that this was written in stone, so I'd be interested in trying to find that Washington Times Herald article if it is available on-line.

I appreciate the update.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on October 26, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
On the northern section of I-69...

Quote
... the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) will host public hearings regarding a preliminary selection of Milestone Contractors ... to widen and rehabilitate 15 miles of Interstate 69 in Hamilton and Madison counties as part of the state's Major Moves 2020 program.

Hearing set on I-69 widening (http://www.heraldbulletin.com/news/local_news/hearing-set-on-i--widening/article_5eebf5fd-ad10-5249-a616-a547009545ef.html) (The Herald Bulletin)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 27, 2015, 09:00:27 AM
INDOT's construction map has been updated for October on Section 4 (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Section_4_ConstructionMap.pdf)

Still a good amount of work to do on 4-6A, 8 & 9, which matches ITB's reports.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 27, 2015, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on October 26, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
Regarding information on the December opening of I-69 Section 4:

I have a good friend who is involved in the SW Indiana I-69 Innovation Corridor initiative, and he told me a few months ago that his organization had been informed that this section would be opened on November 19th with the understanding that some remaining work would still done while under traffic.  Not that this was written in stone, so I'd be interested in trying to find that Washington Times Herald article if it is available on-line.

I appreciate the update.

I was not able to find the article on line, but here are a few quotes from the Washington Times Herald (http://www.washtimesherald.com/ (http://www.washtimesherald.com/)) article;
Quote from: Washington Times Herald
"We are still far enough away from being done that we cannot say whether it will be early December or later in the month, but it should be substantially complete and open to traffic by the end of the year" said Will Wingfield, with the Department of Transportation

And regarding the delays, weather played a big role;
Quote from: Washington Times Herald
"The crews moved 24-million cubic yards of dirt on this project. Wet weather at the wrong time could really slow things down."

and finally there was also the understandable prediction work will remain for spring;
Quote from: Washington Times Herald
... said Wingfield. "We expect to get the construction done enough to put traffic on the road and then come back in the spring to close out some of the maintenance and other items."
It would be nice if that last quote was more confident.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 29, 2015, 01:37:52 AM
A short update, then a few pics.

As of Wednesday, October 28, only about 2.5 mainline miles of roadway remain to be paved with Portland Cement Concrete. Milestone Contractors (Segments 4/5/6a) and E. S. Wagner Co. (Segment 8) each have about 1.25 miles to pave.

In Segments 4 and 5, the Milestone paving crew is paving the southbound roadway from about 1/2 mile south of Hobbieville Road in Greene County, moving toward State Road 54. After crossing the bridge, they will then pave the 1/3 mile between the SR 54 bridge and the bridge over Mitchell Branch, after which they will continue to and finish up about 1/3 mile north of the I-69/SR 45 interchange.

In Segment 8, the paving crew is working the northbound roadway from about 1/3 mile east of Harmony Road, moving northeast toward Rockport Road. They will then cross the Rockport Road overpass and finish paving at Lodge Road.

In total, about 1/2 mile of roadway will be paved each full day, barring any precipitation (roughly about 1/4 mile per day per crew). At most, paving the entire 2.5 miles remaining will take six days, but crews may kick into high gear to finish a day or two early. When these two short stretches of paving complete, all mainline concrete paving for Section 4 will be finished.

As for the asphalt paving in Segments 2, 3 and 9, it appears work is wrapping up for Segment 2. I haven't checked out Segment 2 first hand recently, but a month ago when I was down that way, they were very far along. Segment 3, which I had believed was to be all concrete, is, to my surprise, a combination of PCCP and asphalt. From a point just past the bridges over E. Mineral-Koleen Road west to the juncture with Segment 2 is asphalt. In the opposite direction from near Mineral-Koleen, it's concrete–all the way to where Segment 3 joins Segment 4 near the SR 45 interchange. At least the first layer of asphalt has been laid for all of the western section of Segment 3.

For Segment 9 and the I-69/SR 37 interchange, crews for Crider & Crider have made excellent progress and are now paving the 2nd and 3rd layers of asphalt.

By the end of next week, the entirety of Section 4 will be completely paved. A couple of very short stretches of roadway will still need an additional layer or two of asphalt, but the road is now a road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 29, 2015, 02:35:47 AM
Pics. Photos were taken October 25, 2015, unless otherwise identified.

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Looking west toward the bridges over E. Mineral-Koleen Road in Greene County, Indiana, from near Old Clifty Road.

Just past the hump in the road is another set of bridges that cross over Dry Branch and Dry Branch Road. In the background, visible but only just, is the point where the road splits to again form a median. A very substantial section of Segment 2 features a concrete median barrier wall, in large part due to the decision to build one large four-lane bridge crossing Black Ankle Creek and valley instead of constructing two separate two-lane spans.

White Construction (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segment 3); Millstone Weber/Kolb J.V. (Section 4, Segment 2).


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The I-69/SR 45 interchange in Greene County, looking east from about 1/2 mile east of Old Clifty Road.


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The bridges carrying I-69 over State Road 54 in Greene County; looking northeast. The southbound roadway between the SR 54 bridge and the bridge over Mitchell Branch is prepped for paving scheduled for this week.

Milestone Contractors (Indiana I-69 Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).


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The view looking north from the Hobbieville Road bridge in Greene County.


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The Milestone paving crew was out working Sunday in the vicinity of Hobbieville Road. Yup, Sunday.


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A dump truck transporting wet concrete heads toward the ongoing paving operation near Hobbieville Road; looking down and north from the Hobbieville Road bridge.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 05, 2015, 10:44:34 PM
http://loogooteetribune.com/ (http://loogooteetribune.com/)
by Jessica Shinn  -  Thu, Nov 05, 2015

QuoteThe fourth leg of I-69 from Evansville to Indianapolis is slated to open by the end of the year. INDOT Project Manager Janelle Lemon said the exact date of the opening will likely be announced around Thanksgiving. The route is expected be opened in its entirety between NSWC Crane to Bloomington. "Our goal is to open it all at once instead of in portions,"  Ms. Lemon stated.

The rest is behind a subscriber wall, but doesn't say anything new.

Also, I have reports that the area around the mixing plant east of SR45 has most of the rock piles depleted and the road has been graded and ready for paving.

Getting closer...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 06, 2015, 08:49:51 AM
http://www.14news.com/story/30449877/gov-pence-vows-to-finish-i-69

QuoteSANTA CLAUS, IN (WFIE) -

We're about a month away from I-69 being opened to Bloomington.

Meantime, the state is working on funding the final portion of the highway to Indianapolis.

Governor Mike Pence told people in Santa Claus on Thursday that he will finish I-69 while he is still governor.

Pence says finding the funding for the final section of the highway is a top priority for him.

QuoteThere's no official ribbon cutting date yet for I-69 to Bloomington, but Governor Pence did say it will be in early December.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: txstateends on November 06, 2015, 09:14:10 AM
Amusing that something will be provided to the people of the Santa Claus area before Christmas...
;-)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on November 06, 2015, 09:19:38 AM
Quote from: txstateends on November 06, 2015, 09:14:10 AM
Amusing that something will be provided to the people of the Santa Claus area before Christmas...
;-)

They already have Holiday World and Splashin' Safari to enjoy all summer. What more do they need before Christmas?  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 06, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
The concrete barriers are reportedly removed from the current end of I-69 at US 231 and striping has begun from that section on northward.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on November 06, 2015, 12:42:02 PM
It occurs to me that should the state move section 6 away from SR 37 many people would still use 37 to 465 regardless. It is short sided to think that moving 69 to 70 or 65 would take pressure off of 37.  I know some businesses and homes would be affected but 37 is the straightest and most cost effect route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 06, 2015, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 06, 2015, 09:19:38 AM
Quote from: txstateends on November 06, 2015, 09:14:10 AM
Amusing that something will be provided to the people of the Santa Claus area before Christmas...
;-)

They already have Holiday World and Splashin' Safari to enjoy all summer. What more do they need before Christmas?  :bigass:
Well, as Andy Williams once said, it's the most wonderful time of the year! :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 06, 2015, 01:10:57 PM
What a difference two months of construction can bring. "Before/After" and "During" pics from Harmony Road bridge, looking east:

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August 23, 2015


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November 4, 2015


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September 18, 2015

More pics to come.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on November 06, 2015, 01:15:16 PM
QuoteGovernor Mike Pence told people in Santa Claus on Thursday that he will finish I-69 while he is still governor.

Hopefully without starting a political discussion, I'll observe that the voters will have something to say about the Gov's ability to keep that vow. There's no way to get it done by Jan. 1, 2017.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 06, 2015, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 06, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
The concrete barriers are reportedly removed from the current end of I-69 at US 231 and striping has begun from that section on northward.

I drove through there an hour ago and can confirm.  The lines were over the hill as far a I could see, which is only about half a mile.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on November 08, 2015, 01:08:30 PM
I noticed that the I-69 Section 5 Development Partners finally made an update to the construction schedule shown on their website through October 2015.  The last update was back in June.

http://www.i69section5.org/

Need to go to the "schedule" tab on the website to view.

The schedule now shows the Rockport Road overpass, That Road, and a section of pavement patching as being completed and opened to traffic.  I also noted that some of the schedule timelines had been extended a few months.  Some of this I would have expected, as it is always difficult for contractors to work under live traffic conditions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 09, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
The Bloomington Herald-Times has a new photo gallery up of Section 5 construction photos. (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-monroe-county/collection_5631f490-8707-11e5-a7c0-d72cf552c3d0.html)

There's also an article behind the pay-wal (http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/transformation-from-state-highway-to-i--well-underway-in/article_2dd9e465-484b-5f9b-90ae-88a4c5bc4f8f.html)l.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 09, 2015, 05:22:37 PM
What is the grade on this bridge? It seems pretty steep.

Quote from: ITB on October 29, 2015, 02:35:47 AM
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on November 09, 2015, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 09, 2015, 05:22:37 PM
What is the grade on this bridge? It seems pretty steep.

From a rough measure on the screen, it looks to be between 8% and 10%.  Using the house on the right as a rough guide to true level.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 09, 2015, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 09, 2015, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 09, 2015, 05:22:37 PM
What is the grade on this bridge? It seems pretty steep.

From a rough measure on the screen, it looks to be between 8% and 10%.  Using the house on the right as a rough guide to true level.

That's the bridge carrying Hobbieville Road over I-69 in Greene County, Indiana. From that perspective, it does look a little steep, but, actually, the grade is very reasonable. Now east of the bridge, turning up Hobbieville Road off of S. Rockeast Road might be a concern in snow and ice.

This part of Indiana is very rural and isolated. The roads, while certainly passable, are rough and marginally maintained. Horseshoe Bend Road, which veers off south from where Rockeast and Hobbieville meet, is gravel for about a mile before pavement resumes. If one continues down Horseshoe Bend for a few miles, you'll be in Popcorn. Yup, there is indeed a Popcorn, Indiana. But you wouldn't know you were in Popcorn unless you knew of Popcorn, because there's not a whole lot there–no store, no gas station, no post office, and no sign. Popcorn is what might be called a settlement or a "place," but more formally, an unincorporated community, and an officially designated one at that.

Here's two other photos of the bridge:

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Hobbieville Road bridge; looking northeast. Photo was taken November 7, 2015.


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Hobbieville Road bridge; looking east. November 7, 2015.

Though the overpass is finished but not yet officially open, and barricades remain in place, local residents take matters into their own hands to get to where they want to go.

And a couple more:

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Looking north from Hobbieville Road bridge. November 7, 2015.


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Fitch Barriers at Hobbieville Road overpass; looking north. November 7, 2015

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 09, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Any idea on the signage along Section 4. My father traveled that way last weekend toward Evansville and said they had signs up at SR 37 and I-69, or some at least. Just curious about how that is going.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 09, 2015, 10:23:42 PM
Yes, lets see some hot BGS action!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 09, 2015, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on November 09, 2015, 10:23:42 PM
Yes, lets see some hot BGS action!

Here we go:

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Sign supports for southbound Interstate 69 just north of the I-69/State Road 37 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking northwest.

Crider & Crider, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 4, Segments 1 & 9).

I don't have a pic, but there's a large BGS that's been erected up near Victor Pike for northbound State Road 37. Half of the sign indicates northbound SR37/I-69 traffic should stay right; the other half is covered with a tarp, but undoubtedly arrows the left exit for I-69 south.


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Just north of the State Road 37/Interstate 69 interchange; looking northwest.

That's the median barrier wall, which will run from the I-69/SR 37 interchange to the I-69/Sample Road interchange, a distance of about 12 miles. In the background is the Rockport Road overpass.

And one more:

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The portable concrete mixing facility for Milestone Contractors just north of the I-69/SR 45 interchange in Greene County; looking north.

If you look closely (helps to expand the photo), there's an I-69 shield that's been staked. Also, the small non-paved segment of road, only about 60 yards in length, is the very last of Section 4 to be paved up.

Milestone Contractors, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 4, Segments 4/5/6a).

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on November 12, 2015, 01:36:44 PM
There is a report dated October 30, 2015 that INDOT plans to make a major announcement regarding the final I-69 segment between Martinsville and Indianapolis.  Following the three scheduled public hearings scheduled for late-November/early-December, INDOT will further whittle down the 5 remaining routes under consideration.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/Decision-on-I-69-options-comin_1446253724

The report states that INDOT will definitely further reduce the list to less than the final 5 remaining, and may even go straight to eliminating 4 and announce the final route that I-69 will follow.  I suspect that they are trying to move this process along quicker (given the governor's recent announcement that, re-election notwithstanding, he wants to have I-69 finished before he leaves office) and to allow the affected areas and businesses time to make their adjustments.  This is very welcomed news.

I suspect that I-69 will follow the originally-planned route along SR 37 (before the local legislators passed a law, which has been reversed, banning I-69 from running through Perry Township in Marion County).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on November 12, 2015, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on November 12, 2015, 01:36:44 PM
There is a report dated October 30, 2015 that INDOT plans to make a major announcement regarding the final I-69 segment between Martinsville and Indianapolis.  Following the three scheduled public hearings scheduled for late-November/early-December, INDOT will further whittle down the 5 remaining routes under consideration.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/Decision-on-I-69-options-comin_1446253724

The report states that INDOT will definitely further reduce the list to less than the final 5 remaining, and may even go straight to eliminating 4 and announce the final route that I-69 will follow.  I suspect that they are trying to move this process along quicker (given the governor's recent announcement that, re-election notwithstanding, he wants to have I-69 finished before he leaves office) and to allow the affected areas and businesses time to make their adjustments.  This is very welcomed news.

I suspect that I-69 will follow the originally-planned route along SR 37 (before the local legislators passed a law, which has been reversed, banning I-69 from running through Perry Township in Marion County).

For selfish reasons (I want to see it completed :)), I'd rather they just say they're going to build it along SR37 and then start construction in a couple of years once they get funding. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on November 12, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
If I-69 follows SR 37, it's only 29 miles. The three counties that have to do their part is Morgan, Johnson, and Marion County. How's it going in those three counties in terms of construction?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 12, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
I think you mean Johnson County, Owen County is west of Morgan County and not part of any I-69 planned route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 12, 2015, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on November 12, 2015, 01:36:44 PM
There is a report dated October 30, 2015 that INDOT plans to make a major announcement regarding the final I-69 segment between Martinsville and Indianapolis.  Following the three scheduled public hearings scheduled for late-November/early-December, INDOT will further whittle down the 5 remaining routes under consideration.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/Decision-on-I-69-options-comin_1446253724


I'm surprised the article didn't actually mention the meeting date;

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I-69_S6_Hosting_Locations_Released_for_4th_quarter_PIMs(1).pdf (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I-69_S6_Hosting_Locations_Released_for_4th_quarter_PIMs(1).pdf)

QuoteINDOT intends to hold 4th quarter public information meetings at the following hosting
locations:
Perry Township — Nov. 30
   Perry Meridian High School: 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Mooresville — Dec. 2
   Mooresville High School: 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Martinsville — Dec. 3
    Martinsville High School: 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on November 12, 2015, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 12, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
I think you mean Johnson County, Owen County is west of Morgan County and not part of any I-69 planned route.
Thanks for correcting me. I have edited my post.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on November 13, 2015, 01:46:43 AM
Can someone who saw my post on page 69 (from 07 and 08-Oct) regarding the fate of the IN 37 'old' road at I-465 bring my thoughts on it up at one of these hearings?   Thanx!

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 13, 2015, 07:14:21 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 13, 2015, 01:46:43 AM
Can someone who saw my post on page 69 (from 07 and 08-Oct) regarding the fate of the IN 37 'old' road at I-465 bring my thoughts on it up at one of these hearings?   Thanx!

Mike

Back around 2009, they had some fairly detailed maps online for section 6 - including the very north part of section 6 at I-465. Back then, I think they had not made a decision on which sections would be built first. I think Mitch Daniels was afraid that if construction started in Indy, then the southern end toward Evansville might never be built.

If i remember correctly, those maps showed the current SR 37 road would end at Epler. I thought part of the current SR 37 might also have some lanes removed south of the truck stops in that map. Then again, that was ~6 years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 13, 2015, 08:04:08 AM
As I would see it, you would be simply returning Harding Street to its original configuration, allowing for Harding to run straight from north of I-70 south past I-465 and down to Bluff Road. And with the SR 37 thru traffic moved to the new I-69, with its own interchange with 465, Harding wouldn't need to be any wider than it is now south of Epler. Past the truck stops and businesses in that area it's all residential.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on November 13, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
While I still think that the final section will ultimately follow SR 37 into I-465, I think that there is one element that hasn't been thought through.  What will happen with I-69 when it reaches I-465 and how will it be linked to the northern half of I-69?  This area is SIU 2, and I haven't been able to find much discussion about that.  The general assumption is that I-69 would be co-signed with I-465, but INDOT has never confirmed that.

With that said, there may be some merit to the two alternate routes that lead to the west of the Indianapolis Airport into I-70.  For one, there are only two interstates that pass through Indianapolis - I-65 and I-70.  I-74 does not; it follows along I-465.  I have read that there are concerns with the volume of traffic on I-465 and if there is enough capacity to handle another interstate.  However, by sending I-69 to intersect I-70 at the airport, the State could then co-sign I-69 to follow along I-70 through central Indianapolis, then route it the short distance northward along I-465 to where it would be tied into the existing I-69.  This route would also allow people coming up from the south a more direct connection to the airport.

Just my thoughts.  However, I still think that this final section will follow along SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 13, 2015, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on November 13, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
While I still think that the final section will ultimately follow SR 37 into I-465, I think that there is one element that hasn't been thought through.  What will happen with I-69 when it reaches I-465 and how will it be linked to the northern half of I-69?  This area is SIU 2, and I haven't been able to find much discussion about that.  The general assumption is that I-69 would be co-signed with I-465, but INDOT has never confirmed that.

With that said, there may be some merit to the two alternate routes that lead to the west of the Indianapolis Airport into I-70.  For one, there are only two interstates that pass through Indianapolis - I-65 and I-70.  I-74 does not; it follows along I-465.  I have read that there are concerns with the volume of traffic on I-465 and if there is enough capacity to handle another interstate.  However, by sending I-69 to intersect I-70 at the airport, the State could then co-sign I-69 to follow along I-70 through central Indianapolis, then route it the short distance northward along I-465 to where it would be tied into the existing I-69.  This route would also allow people coming up from the south a more direct connection to the airport.

Just my thoughts.  However, I still think that this final section will follow along SR 37.

I'm fairly certain that if they use 37, it will connect with 465 with an interchange similar to the 865 interchange (minus everything being on the left), it will then be cosigned around the city along 465.  I don't think INDOT cares about the added traffic, it didn't stop them when they routed every highway in marion county onto it (besides 65/70).  Yes, none of those routes are interstates in their own right, but collectively it adds up.  In a perfect world it would plow through indy, it would take pressure off 465 since it would be on its own route, it would make traffic on 465 from 70 up to current 69 much better. I'm never on the south side, so I don't know how bad traffic is down there, but it's pretty shitty on the east side leg.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on November 13, 2015, 11:12:36 AM
Maybe this will encourage them to 4-lane the entire south and east legs of 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on November 13, 2015, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on November 13, 2015, 11:12:36 AM
Maybe this will encourage them to 4-lane the entire south and east legs of 465.

When you think about the traffic that is drawn already to IN 37, I don't think the traffic increase will be a big deal as a signed interstate.  When the Crane-Bloomington section opens up, we will have a de facto continuous freeway/expressway route to Evansville, so if 465 has any hiccups, they will likely show up before I-69 is formally completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 13, 2015, 02:18:45 PM
Slightly off topic, but an overpass in Daviess county was damaged yesterday at the 69.5mm due to an excavator striking the underside of the overpass while being hauled by a flatbed trailer. The overpass carries CR 450 N and was closed to traffic as of last night. Unsure how much damaged occurred but I do know at least one concrete beam is missing a large chunk.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 13, 2015, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 09, 2015, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 09, 2015, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 09, 2015, 05:22:37 PM
What is the grade on this bridge? It seems pretty steep.

From a rough measure on the screen, it looks to be between 8% and 10%.  Using the house on the right as a rough guide to true level.

That's the bridge carrying Hobbieville Road over I-69 in Greene County, Indiana. From that perspective, it does look a little steep, but, actually, the grade is very reasonable.

Thanks for the extra pics!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 15, 2015, 07:21:15 PM
Signage is up at the I-69/SR 37 interchange.

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Sign structure over northbound State Road 37; looking north from the near the SR 37/Victor Pike intersection. The LEFT sign indicates the left exit for southbound I-69 traffic, which is visible but only just. Just beyond the I-69 south exit, SR 37 merges with I-69 northbound, which, at this time, is still designated State Road 37.

Crider & Crider, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 4, Segments 1 & 9).


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Signs and support structure over the northbound lanes of Interstate 69 just south of the I-69/SR 37 interchange; looking north.


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Mid-range view.


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Looking south from the Rockport Road overpass toward the I-69/SR 37 interchange. I-69 southbound is left at the split and is indicated by the covered sign; at right is the long, curving exit ramp for SR 37 south, which can be seen near its end in the first picture. Currently, and for the past year, the SR 37 south ramp has been used for both north and southbound SR 37 traffic; this will soon change when northbound SR 37 traffic is switched to the newly constructed SR 37 north lanes (see first picture above).

Left of the median barrier wall is I-69 northbound and the end of the merge with State Road 37 north.
 


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on November 16, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
So then until more of I-69 is completed around and north from Bloomington, what will be 'I-69 North' from I-69 to the south will be the 'exit' at IN 37 (south split)?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 16, 2015, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
So then until more of I-69 is completed around and north from Bloomington, what will be 'I-69 North' from I-69 to the south will be the 'exit' at IN 37 (south split)?

Mike

The first picture is from SR 37 northbound... you'd only exit left to go on I-69 South (nearly doing a U-turn).  Staying "straight" on SR 37 will be "I-69 North" in 2016.

All those "SR 37 North" signs will be "I-69 North" in a year if that helps.  The exits all make sense with the "exit" being SR 37 South or I-69 in the opposite direction from where you're traveling.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 16, 2015, 03:12:55 PM
Something we haven't seen too much with this project: construction barrels. I have to say, I liked the brand new road stuff quite a bit. This last stretch is going to have a different look.

Quote from: ITB on November 15, 2015, 07:21:15 PM
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hockeyjohn on November 16, 2015, 04:11:55 PM
Does AASHTO standards still allow for "TEMPORARY" designations on interstates (e.g.  TEMPORARY I-69 from Charlotte to Perry, Michigan from 1973-91)?   The gap along SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis, once the stretch from US-231 to SR 37 opens, and its status as a divided highway makes it logical candidate to be signed as such. 

This might also accelerate the signing of I-69 along I-465 (even though INDOT should have already done so at least from the I-465/I-65 junction on the Indianapolis southside up to existing I-69 once it was approved to assist motorists travelling north find it easier, imho).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 16, 2015, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: hockeyjohn on November 16, 2015, 04:11:55 PM
Does AASHTO standards still allow for "TEMPORARY" designations on interstates (e.g.  TEMPORARY I-69 from Charlotte to Perry, Michigan from 1973-91)?   The gap along SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis, once the stretch from US-231 to SR 37 opens, and its status as a divided highway makes it logical candidate to be signed as such. 

This might also accelerate the signing of I-69 along I-465 (even though INDOT should have already done so at least from the I-465/I-65 junction on the Indianapolis southside up to existing I-69 once it was approved to assist motorists travelling north find it easier, imho).

I'm sure they could easily do "TO I-69" or "Future I-69"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 16, 2015, 05:39:58 PM
Well, that is sort of what they did to SR 45 between US 231 and SR 37 over the past couple of years, provide "TO I-69" signs to guide traffic from Bloomington to Crane. Though I kind of wonder if the gap will still be too big for them to want to sign it that way. I wouldn't see INDOT taking such signage seriously until Section 5 is complete, where the gap from Martinsville to Indy is more manageable to send the message about following SR 37 for I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 17, 2015, 01:12:51 PM
I think the last TEMP Interstate was I-77 that followed I-20 and I-26 around Columbia, SC until 1996. I think that those were phased out in favor of FUTURE CORRIDOR signs, such as the nonsensical I-73/I-74 ones in the Southeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 18, 2015, 08:38:16 AM
I think signage makes more sense to cover the gap between Evansville and the newly signed section of I-69 on the Pennyrile Parkway in Kentucky.  That's a fairly short route at this point that will be a gap for several years (at the least).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Mapmikey on November 18, 2015, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 17, 2015, 01:12:51 PM
I think the last TEMP Interstate was I-77 that followed I-20 and I-26 around Columbia, SC until 1996. I think that those were phased out in favor of FUTURE CORRIDOR signs, such as the nonsensical I-73/I-74 ones in the Southeast.

I-74 TEMP was officially requested by NCDOT in April 1996 to run from I-40 Winston-Salem north along US 52 to SR 1840 which is roughly where the Northern Winston-Salem Beltway would be built. The idea is that I-74 would follow US 52 through Winston-Salem until the eastern half of the northern beltway could be constructed and assigned as I-74.
AASHTO turned down this request and suggested NCDOT sign this as TO I-74.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on November 18, 2015, 10:22:04 PM
To me, using TEMP over TO would be better.  Assuming I was unfamiliar with I-69, seeing TO I-69 while on I-69 (in the case of a temporary trumpet or cloverleaf) or while exiting I-69 would be confusing and make me think the DOT messed up.  Seeing TEMP I-69 would make more sense.

The only advantage I see with TO is that the signs can be reused in a lot more places after the interstate is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on November 19, 2015, 06:42:01 AM
I suspect that the TEMP designation for I-69 would be more likely to be approved if the underlying state or US route had been decommissioned and the Interstate route would be taking over that roadway by itself for a period of years.  That was the case in California and Michigan where some US routes had already been decommissioned before completion of the interstate routes.

In the case of Henderson, KY, US 41 already exists on that corridor, has for deacades and will not be decommissioned.  For that reason, I would never expect to see a TEMP designation used for I-69, much less approved.  I figure you will be lucky to even see trailblazer signs through that gap with TO above it for a number of years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 19, 2015, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on November 19, 2015, 06:42:01 AM
I suspect that the TEMP designation for I-69 would be more likely to be approved if the underlying state or US route had been decommissioned and the Interstate route would be taking over that roadway by itself for a period of years.  That was the case in California and Michigan where some US routes had already been decommissioned before completion of the interstate routes.

In the case of Henderson, KY, US 41 already exists on that corridor, has for deacades and will not be decommissioned.  For that reason, I would never expect to see a TEMP designation used for I-69, much less approved.  I figure you will be lucky to even see trailblazer signs through that gap with TO above it for a number of years.
Agreed on that!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 19, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
i-69 section 4 drone footage from indot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Pqh2DHsK4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hockeyjohn on November 19, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on November 19, 2015, 06:42:01 AM
I suspect that the TEMP designation for I-69 would be more likely to be approved if the underlying state or US route had been decommissioned and the Interstate route would be taking over that roadway by itself for a period of years.  That was the case in California and Michigan where some US routes had already been decommissioned before completion of the interstate routes.

In the case of Henderson, KY, US 41 already exists on that corridor, has for deacades and will not be decommissioned.  For that reason, I would never expect to see a TEMP designation used for I-69, much less approved.  I figure you will be lucky to even see trailblazer signs through that gap with TO above it for a number of years.


In the case of TEMPORARY I-69 in Michigan, it was co-signed with US-27 from Charlotte to Lansing; co-signed on various stretches of I-96, US-127 and M-43 around Lansing; but by itself along the former stretch of M-78 from Lansing to Perry.

Not being familiar with the California situation, how was it signed?

Does anyone know if stretches of TEMPORARY I-85 and I-95 in North Carolina along US-29 and US-301, respectively, were signed in the 1970s and 1980s before the permanent highway was completed?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheStranger on November 19, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
Quote from: hockeyjohn on November 19, 2015, 03:10:47 PM

Not being familiar with the California situation, how was it signed?

I recall that former US 395 south of Riverside was signed as "TEMP I-15E" (before that designation was replaced in 1982 with temporary State Route 215, before becoming today's I-215).

Route 99 between Stockton and Sacramento was TEMP I-5 on maps during the time that the West Side Freeway between those two cities was still under construction - I have never seen any photos of how this was signed though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Mapmikey on November 19, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: hockeyjohn on November 19, 2015, 03:10:47 PM


Does anyone know if stretches of TEMPORARY I-85 and I-95 in North Carolina along US-29 and US-301, respectively, were signed in the 1970s and 1980s before the permanent highway was completed?

I-85 TEMP was signed along US 29-70.

US 301 through Fayetteville was as best I remember signed as To I-95 and US 301 through Wilson/Rocky Mount was also To I-95 though I'm pretty certain I've at least seen a stray 95 TEMP posting.  US 301 had many more at-grades and wasn't even an expressway in many portions on the Wilson/Rocky Mount portion.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on November 19, 2015, 03:49:37 PM
Sections of former US 395 between San Bernadino and San Diego were signed as Temp I-15 or Temp I-15E, at least based on what was shown on maps from the 1970's.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on November 19, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Today in Bloomington, IN was a conference regarding economic development along the new I-69 corridor.  During that conference, INDOT provided a brief drone video showing the present construction along I-69 Section 4.  The drone recorded this video in late October of this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Pqh2DHsK4&feature=youtu.be

INDOT reported that they anticipate opening Section 4 of I-69 by mid-December, but didn't give the actual date.  Pretty neat video - it flies over most of the construction and then pans around many of the major bridges and interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Big John on November 19, 2015, 06:31:01 PM
^^ until the end where there was  a I-465 shield in clearview.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: oscar on November 19, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on November 19, 2015, 03:49:37 PM
Sections of former US 395 between San Bernadino and San Diego were signed as Temp I-15 or Temp I-15E, at least based on what was shown on maps from the 1970's.

I was there in the 1970s. So were those signs, at least the Temp I-15 ones.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 24, 2015, 08:05:41 AM
A co-worker has notice the mixing plant at the SR45 interchange is gone and the yellow lines painted.

Also, the SR37 North has moved to its final alignment, though it is still restricted to one lane.  I expect that will persist for a while due to the section 5 construction.

Finally, Bloomington radio was saying the road will be open before New Year's, but still no announced opening day.  There will be continuing finish up work well into next year, but that is no surprise.

Things are moving along.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 28, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
I was able to check several places along section 4 today. It looks like opening should be getting close.  :clap:

There is still a fair bit of BGS work, but I think the real tell on opening will be when the I69N/ SR37N intersection gets striped and any necessary lane restrictions for flowing into section 5 construction.
Unfortunately I don't go through there often.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 30, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
I think it may have already been posted a couple months ago, but INDOT has public meetings this week to discuss the Section 6 route
http://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/indot-to-discuss-final-leg-of-i-69-at-three-public-meetings

QuoteINDIANAPOLIS--The Indiana Department of Transportation will hold the first of three public open houses to be held this week about the final leg of the Interstate 69 extension at Perry Meridian High School in Indianapolis Monday night.

INDOT officials will explain five preliminary route options for Section 6, which will run from Martinsville to Indianapolis. The meeting is aimed at giving the public a closer look at the proposed options than they've had up until this point, says INDOT Public Involvement Specialist Lamar Holliday.

"They will be able to look at these routes in greater detail than they have in the past couple months, the overpasses, underpasses, the access and footprint of the interstate," Holliday says.

Doors will open for the forum at 6 p.m., followed by a presentation and public comment session in the Perry Meridian High School auditorium at 7 p.m.

QuoteThe two other meetings hosted by INDOT this week will take place this Wednesday at Mooresville High School and this Thursday at Martinsville High School. Doors for those meetings will also open at 6 p.m. followed by a presentation and public comment session at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 01, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
INDOT has updated their website with newer, more detailed renderings of the five Section 6 preliminary alternatives. (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm)

These include the potential interchanges, grade separations, local access roads, etc for each route.

Here's the overview (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Preliminary_Alternatives.pdf) and the map for Route C (the alternative that mainly follows SR 37) (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Alt_C_Map_reduced.pdf).

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Also some Mooresville residents are really mad about the alternatives that are going to cut through to I-70 (http://wishtv.com/2015/11/30/mooresville-residents-concerned-over-alternate-i-69-routes/)

QuoteMooresville residents Sherry Bush and Roberta Sharp walked into the gym already feeling frustrated.

"Well, one will go in front of my house and the other one could go behind my house so it's going to affect me either route they choose on the west side of Mooresville,"  said Bush.

"I just saw that they change one of the routes slightly so instead of going near me it's going right through my house,"  said Sharp.

The women started a group called The Greater Mooresville Advisory Committee.

Members said they are against the alternative routes cutting through the west and east side of their small town.

"Shocked and people are still being shocked by it,"  said Bush. "They still don't think it's going anywhere other than 37 like we've been told for the last ten to 15 years."

In addition to SR 37, INDOT is also considering four other alternative routes. The agency said it came up with the routes after receiving comments from residents at previous meetings. The agency asked them what other routes they would like to see outside of SR 37.

"There are some people who are for it and there are some people who are against it,"  said LaMar Holliday, INDOT public involvement specialist. "But essentially what we're looking at we want to get the public involved in this process."

INDOT said the routes would start on SR 37 in orange; the pink and green routes would go through Mann Road and connect through 465 near that exit. Routes in red and blue would go through Mooresville and connect to I-70.

"We all live here because it's small, it's out of the city, it's rural life and that will be gone,"  said Bush.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 01, 2015, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: thefro on December 01, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
INDOT has updated their website with newer, more detailed renderings of the five Section 6 preliminary alternatives. (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm)

These include the potential interchanges, grade separations, local access roads, etc for each route.

Here's the overview (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Preliminary_Alternatives.pdf) and the map for Route C (the alternative that mainly follows SR 37) (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Alt_C_Map_reduced.pdf).

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Also some Mooresville residents are really mad about the alternatives that are going to cut through to I-70 (http://wishtv.com/2015/11/30/mooresville-residents-concerned-over-alternate-i-69-routes/)

QuoteMooresville residents Sherry Bush and Roberta Sharp walked into the gym already feeling frustrated.

“Well, one will go in front of my house and the other one could go behind my house so it’s going to affect me either route they choose on the west side of Mooresville,” said Bush.

“I just saw that they change one of the routes slightly so instead of going near me it’s going right through my house,” said Sharp.

The women started a group called The Greater Mooresville Advisory Committee.

Members said they are against the alternative routes cutting through the west and east side of their small town.

“Shocked and people are still being shocked by it,” said Bush. “They still don’t think it’s going anywhere other than 37 like we’ve been told for the last ten to 15 years.”

In addition to SR 37, INDOT is also considering four other alternative routes. The agency said it came up with the routes after receiving comments from residents at previous meetings. The agency asked them what other routes they would like to see outside of SR 37.

“There are some people who are for it and there are some people who are against it,” said LaMar Holliday, INDOT public involvement specialist. “But essentially what we’re looking at we want to get the public involved in this process.”

INDOT said the routes would start on SR 37 in orange; the pink and green routes would go through Mann Road and connect through 465 near that exit. Routes in red and blue would go through Mooresville and connect to I-70.

“We all live here because it’s small, it’s out of the city, it’s rural life and that will be gone,” said Bush.

I'd be mad too, I really think the only logical solution is to follow 37 all the way, the 70 tie ins make no sense to me.  How is there no interchange at SR 44?  unless I'm looking at the map wrong, they'd be pulling a SR 61 in Vincennes or SR 160 in Salem.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 01, 2015, 04:32:18 PM
I most like alternative 'C', too.  It's nearly identical to what we discussed a couple of pages upthread and keeping things in the current corridor as much as possible makes to most overall sense.  Existing parts of the IN 37 'old' road are useful for maintaining local access, too.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 01, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
I thought there was an option for an interchange that would serve both SR 252 and SR 44. That could still be considered, but given that SR 44 already has a random endpoint on the west side of Franklin, why not another unorthodox terminus for the other end? Looking at the Martinsville area, what happened with Ohio Street, I thought that was going to be another Martinsville exit. I look to Lebanon, a similar-sized town with an interstate wrapping around it in a manner unlike that of Martinsville and see that they have four exits there. One at Ohio Street to compliment the ones at SR 39 and SR 252 (and/or SR 44) would seem like a good solution for me, but I'm sure this stuff can still be hammered out, I'm sure INDOT's meeting in Martinsville will get some people talking about that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 01, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 01, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
I thought there was an option for an interchange that would serve both SR 252 and SR 44. That could still be considered, but given that SR 44 already has a random endpoint on the west side of Franklin, why not another unorthodox terminus for the other end? Looking at the Martinsville area, what happened with Ohio Street, I thought that was going to be another Martinsville exit. I look to Lebanon, a similar-sized town with an interstate wrapping around it in a manner unlike that of Martinsville and see that they have four exits there. One at Ohio Street to compliment the ones at SR 39 and SR 252 (and/or SR 44) would seem like a good solution for me, but I'm sure this stuff can still be hammered out, I'm sure INDOT's meeting in Martinsville will get some people talking about that.

I thought the same thing on Ohio Street and the previously-proposed single SR 44/SR 252 exit. I thought that was a great plan, and its too bad that got dropped. If Ohio Street does not get an interchange, then they're going to need an improved road connecting to SR 39. Is there a ramp from SB SR 39 to NB SR 37 (future) I-69 or SB SR 37 to NB SR 39? If not, the only services for I-69 in Martinsville would be at SR 252. That would seem to be a recipe for congestion there.

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 01, 2015, 02:54:46 PM
I'd be mad too, I really think the only logical solution is to follow 37 all the way, the 70 tie ins make no sense to me.  How is there no interchange at SR 44?  unless I'm looking at the map wrong, they'd be pulling a SR 61 in Vincennes or SR 160 in Salem.

While alternative C is fine, I would like alternative D also if a bypass from I-65 in Lebanon to I-69 were also built. That could effectively offload traffic bound for Nashville and points south from I-65 south of Indy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 01, 2015, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 01, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
there a ramp from SB SR 39 to NB SR 37 (future) I-69 or SB SR 37 to NB SR 39? If not, the only services for I-69 in Martinsville would be at SR 252. That would seem to be a recipe for congestion there.

There is, all movements from SR 37 to SR 39 are currently there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 02, 2015, 07:14:54 AM
Here's some comments from Perry Township NIMBYs from Monday night (http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/Residents-not-pleased-with-pla_1449023313)

QuoteResidents who live near State Road 37 already hear traffic on the highway and are concerned how bad the traffic noise would become if the road were turned into an interstate. White River Township residents Jeff and Kelly Parsons said they already have considered moving away from the area.

"We just moved into a house about two years ago, and we live in between Fairview (Road) and Smith Valley (Road),"  Jeff Parsons said. "We can hear the 37 traffic now. Our biggest concern is will we stay or will we go?"

If the state installs noise barriers along the interstate, Kelly Parsons thinks the traffic will still be loud when she walks upstairs, she said.

"We don't want to hear the noise,"  Kelly Parsons said.

State, city and school officials spoke out against I-69, including state Sen. Brent Waltz, who said he has opposed the interstate for more than 12 years, when he first joined the state Senate.

"I have been a die-hard opponent of State Road 37 being used for I-69 from the beginning. I still am,"  Waltz said. "It is going to turn State Road 37 into basically a parking lot during rush hour."

Even when the new route is announced in a few years, the state won't be able to cover the cost of construction, Waltz said.

"The good news I can tell you is that the state of Indiana does not have any money to pay for it,"  Waltz said. "There's no discussion at this point on how to fund Section 6. So it will be several years even if something is approved before the taxpayers would be able to pay for it."

Perry Township Schools Superintendent Tom Little asked state officials to consider the safety of children when deciding on the ultimate route.

"We have 100 bus routes every day that cross 37. I have over 400 children that drive to school every day that cross 37,"  Little said. "If that was your child at 6:45 in the morning, driving across 37, would you like them taking that route?"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 02, 2015, 10:17:45 AM
^^
Ahh, didn't the 'Parsons' know about that road being there when they moved in two years ago?  I have zero sympathy for them.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on December 02, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
These comments annoy me more than they should....

If the noise bothers the Parsons' that bad, then why did they move there in the first place?  :pan:

And in regards to the buses crossing SR 37, it'll be SAFER if INDOT uses 37 for 69, because of the little things called overpasses and the elimination of at grade crossings. How are they currently navigating 37?

Perhaps I'm missing something within their comments, IDK...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 02, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
literally every one of those comments they had could be easily refuted.  And the senator who claims 69 will make the road a "parking lot", I think the 10 traffic lights are doing a wonderful job at doing that all ready.  There's a big difference from being against something for legitimate reasons, and just being an asshole NIMBY.  Don't come out against it with some weak arguments that are baseless and easily refuted by facts.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 02, 2015, 10:49:49 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 01, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 01, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
I thought there was an option for an interchange that would serve both SR 252 and SR 44. That could still be considered, but given that SR 44 already has a random endpoint on the west side of Franklin, why not another unorthodox terminus for the other end? Looking at the Martinsville area, what happened with Ohio Street, I thought that was going to be another Martinsville exit. I look to Lebanon, a similar-sized town with an interstate wrapping around it in a manner unlike that of Martinsville and see that they have four exits there. One at Ohio Street to compliment the ones at SR 39 and SR 252 (and/or SR 44) would seem like a good solution for me, but I'm sure this stuff can still be hammered out, I'm sure INDOT's meeting in Martinsville will get some people talking about that.

I thought the same thing on Ohio Street and the previously-proposed single SR 44/SR 252 exit. I thought that was a great plan, and its too bad that got dropped. If Ohio Street does not get an interchange, then they're going to need an improved road connecting to SR 39. Is there a ramp from SB SR 39 to NB SR 37 (future) I-69 or SB SR 37 to NB SR 39? If not, the only services for I-69 in Martinsville would be at SR 252. That would seem to be a recipe for congestion there.

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 01, 2015, 02:54:46 PM
I'd be mad too, I really think the only logical solution is to follow 37 all the way, the 70 tie ins make no sense to me.  How is there no interchange at SR 44?  unless I'm looking at the map wrong, they'd be pulling a SR 61 in Vincennes or SR 160 in Salem.

While alternative C is fine, I would like alternative D also if a bypass from I-65 in Lebanon to I-69 were also built. That could effectively offload traffic bound for Nashville and points south from I-65 south of Indy.

What bypass connecting 69 and 65? I've never even heard of this, are you referring to something following SR 28 or 32?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 02, 2015, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 02, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
literally every one of those comments they had could be easily refuted.  And the senator who claims 69 will make the road a "parking lot", I think the 10 traffic lights are doing a wonderful job at doing that all ready.  There's a big difference from being against something for legitimate reasons, and just being an asshole NIMBY.  Don't come out against it with some weak arguments that are baseless and easily refuted by facts.   

Yeah, the funny part is if they said "okay you win, we won't build Section 6 at all!" the problems would be worse in Perry Township.

There's going to be an uptick of traffic once Section 4 & 5 open and there's already a good amount of traffic on that route.  Greenwood is growing over to the SR 37 area and that's a future exurb/sprawl growth area south of that on the whole east side of SR 37.  At this point you've got to upgrade the road to Interstate standards, especially since this is the part of the route that already has Interstate-level traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 02, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 02, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
literally every one of those comments they had could be easily refuted.  And the senator who claims 69 will make the road a "parking lot", I think the 10 traffic lights are doing a wonderful job at doing that all ready.  There's a big difference from being against something for legitimate reasons, and just being an asshole NIMBY.  Don't come out against it with some weak arguments that are baseless and easily refuted by facts.


I agree with your observation regarding the comments.  These same objections were also being made by the NIMBYs in Bloomington when I-69 Sections 4 and 5 were being studied and detailed.  These I-69 NIMBYs really need to develop a new playbook; they are obtusely predictable.

You are also correct about how awful traffic on that stretch of SR 37 is during the morning and afternoon rushes.  I've driven through there many times following my travels to Indianapolis, and I swear I could walk faster than traffic at times.  It is common to sit through a number of traffic light cycles before being able to get through some of those intersections.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 02, 2015, 11:35:43 AM
It looks like a no-win situation for the south suburbs, because either I-69 will cut through Perry Township or Mooresville. I'd rather have it go through Perry Township because it is a more direct route to the existing I-69, and also because it makes absolutely no sense linking up to I-70 further west. Unless you continued as sort of an outer loop, that wouldn't be such a huge issue, but IN 37 is still the most direct route for the new Interstate to take.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on December 02, 2015, 01:40:11 PM
INDOT has reportedly sent out a news release, stating section 4 will open December 9th.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/mayors-next-section-of-i-69-to-open-next-week-25edb1ed-c189-708c-e053-0100007f01a3-360060761.html (http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/mayors-next-section-of-i-69-to-open-next-week-25edb1ed-c189-708c-e053-0100007f01a3-360060761.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 02, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
Martinsville city officials say that Ohio Street interchange can still happen in I-69 Section 6

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/ohio-st-interchange-with-i--can-happen-in-martinsville/article_ffd0e44e-4ed5-5cc1-aed9-2d1c3bef8d0f.html

Quote

MARTINSVILLE – The exclusion of an Ohio Street interchange from maps for Interstate 69 displayed Monday at an Indiana Department of Transportation gathering doesn't mean there won't be such an interchange, city officials said Tuesday.

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The routes follow Ind. 37 through Martinsville. The Martinsville Common Council endorsed that, while asking that there be an interchange at Ohio Street and a vehicular overpass with pedestrian accommodation from Grand Valley Boulevard.

Martinsville Common Council President Eric Bowlen said the city wants the interstate to provide access to downtown Martinsville, two major employers and schools that an Ohio Street interchange would facilitate.

The problem, said Bowlen and Ross Holloway, the city engineer, is the federal requirement that interchanges be a mile apart. The Ohio Street interchange would be just a little less than a mile from the Rogers Road/Ind. 37 Bypass interchange that the state plans to build. Additionally, each interchange that is built costs approximately $20 million to build and funding for Section 6 of the interstate hasn't been secured yet.

Holloway said what was shown on the maps displayed Monday wasn't a surprise to city officials.

"We got a heads up a few weeks ago," Holloway said.

The process, however, to determine where the interchanges will be is far from finished, Holloway and Bowlen said.

"The city still has ample opportunity to make its case," Holloway said. "But it's not easy selling to INDOT."

In Section 5, the plans originally called for an interchange at the Morgan Monroe State Forest instead of a Liberty Church Road exit. County officials and others persuaded the state to put the exit at Liberty Church Road.

"This will have a big impact to the city," Bowlen said. "This is important to us."

Holloway, Bowlen and Martinsville mayor-election Shannon Kohl, who is a member of the city council, have had ongoing talks with state officials. City officials have stressed the economic impact the interstate will have on Martinsville, city officials said.

Quote
The interchanges could be tweaked with the Rogers Road/Bypass exchange being moved further south, closer to the Liberty Church Road exit that is three miles away from the Bypass. That could increase the distance between the Bypass and Ohio exits to more than a mile. And there are other ways that could be used to meet the federal requirements and allow an Ohio interchange to be built, Bowlen said.

Although the maps don't list an interchange at Grand Valley Boulevard as a possible option, Holloway said an overpass for vehicles and pedestrians at the crossing between the shopping area and the vicinity of Martinsville High School is likely.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on December 02, 2015, 05:05:13 PM
I'd recommend to the Parsons and other folks living near the new I-69 to buy tall grass plants, IE Giant Silvergrass, to use as a natural noise buffer. Also adding more insulation to the outside walls and possibly replacing old windows with newer "noise reduction windows". The irony is these people use more mental energy complaining about progress than just taking 15 minutes to "google" search many simple, low cost solutions that can also reduce their home energy costs. I live 1500-2000 ft from US 41 and railroad tracks in Evansville IN. During the summer, the tree foliage and plant growth create a great noise barrier. We barely notice any sounds from the road and tracks. In the winter, the traffic and train sounds are obviously increased, but still bearable.

Quote from: thefro on December 02, 2015, 07:14:54 AM
Here's some comments from Perry Township NIMBYs from Monday night (http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/Residents-not-pleased-with-pla_1449023313)

QuoteResidents who live near State Road 37 already hear traffic on the highway and are concerned how bad the traffic noise would become if the road were turned into an interstate. White River Township residents Jeff and Kelly Parsons said they already have considered moving away from the area.

"We just moved into a house about two years ago, and we live in between Fairview (Road) and Smith Valley (Road),"  Jeff Parsons said. "We can hear the 37 traffic now. Our biggest concern is will we stay or will we go?"

If the state installs noise barriers along the interstate, Kelly Parsons thinks the traffic will still be loud when she walks upstairs, she said.

"We don't want to hear the noise,"  Kelly Parsons said.

State, city and school officials spoke out against I-69, including state Sen. Brent Waltz, who said he has opposed the interstate for more than 12 years, when he first joined the state Senate.

"I have been a die-hard opponent of State Road 37 being used for I-69 from the beginning. I still am,"  Waltz said. "It is going to turn State Road 37 into basically a parking lot during rush hour."

Even when the new route is announced in a few years, the state won't be able to cover the cost of construction, Waltz said.

"The good news I can tell you is that the state of Indiana does not have any money to pay for it,"  Waltz said. "There's no discussion at this point on how to fund Section 6. So it will be several years even if something is approved before the taxpayers would be able to pay for it."

Perry Township Schools Superintendent Tom Little asked state officials to consider the safety of children when deciding on the ultimate route.

"We have 100 bus routes every day that cross 37. I have over 400 children that drive to school every day that cross 37,"  Little said. "If that was your child at 6:45 in the morning, driving across 37, would you like them taking that route?"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on December 02, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
I drive to and from Indianapolis almost everyday for UPS. I use US 41/I-70 or I-69/IN 45, IN 37 route. The issue of ending and "merging" the IN 37/I-69 route into I-465 will be it's going to add much more congestion in the 3, 4 and 5 mile marker area on I-465. By building I-69 and using the IN 37 route, why not continue I-69 north on pass I-465, creating an I-169>I-70 spur north along Bluff Rd/S West St and tying into the S West St/I-70 interchange? By staying east of the White River, there's no bridge construction. Also add interchanges at Southport Rd and I-465 (Indy South) to reduce congestion. This would allow motorists who work downtown, who travel from Greenwood/Franklin/Bloomington area, to use I-169 spur, thus reducing traffic going into downtown area on I-65N. I'm sure these ideas have already been tossed around over the years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 02, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: sd72667 on December 02, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
I drive to and from Indianapolis almost everyday for UPS. I use US 41/I-70 or I-69/IN 45, IN 37 route. The issue of ending and "merging" the IN 37/I-69 route into I-465 will be it's going to add much more congestion in the 3, 4 and 5 mile marker area on I-465. By building I-69 and using the IN 37 route, why not continue I-69 north on pass I-465, creating an I-169>I-70 spur north along Bluff Rd/S West St and tying into the S West St/I-70 interchange? By staying east of the White River, there's no bridge construction. Also add interchanges at Southport Rd and I-465 (Indy South) to reduce congestion. This would allow motorists who work downtown, who travel from Greenwood/Franklin/Bloomington area, to use I-169 spur, thus reducing traffic going into downtown area on I-65N. I'm sure these ideas have already been tossed around over the years.

I like that idea, I've had a similar idea of continuing it up harding st to I-70
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 03, 2015, 06:27:36 AM
Dang... over 1000 people showed up at the Mooresville I-69 meeting (which they had to move to the gym).

http://fox59.com/2015/12/02/mooresville-residents-protest-options-for-final-stretch-of-i-69/

QuoteMOORESVILLE, Ind. (December 2, 2015) - More than 1,000 people showed up to Mooresville High School Wednesday to voice concerns about the final new stretch of I-69.

It was the largest I-69 public hearing INDOT has ever had. Hundreds packed the gymnasium, leaving standing room only.

"Mooresville just pays for the mess as Hendricks and Marion County profit from it. I don't call fast food and gas stations economic growth,"  said Dr. Angela Blackwell, a Veterinarian in Mooresville whose animal hospital sits along a possible new stretch of I-69.

Quote"I have strong concerns with preliminary routes B, D, K3, and K4 due to the potential negative impact on the Mooresville Schools,"  said Dr. David Marcotte, the Superintendent of Mooresville Schools.

"Well the D route would just about go through my house,"  said Donovan Robinson.

Robinson has owned his historic Mooresville home, built in the 1850s, since the early 1980s. One proposed route of the final portion of the new I-69 would run right through Robinson's yard, tanking he says, his property value.

"We have all kinds of hiking and so forth going on in the area and it would just be like having a China wall right down between Mooresville and the rest of Morgan County,"  he said.

One INDOT option for the new highway is its original plan, which is to stick to the corridor along State Road 37.

Something seemingly everyone in Mooresville seems to agree on...

"In my perfect world they would go on up 37,"  said Robinson. "I think the original plan probably makes sense,"  said Ed Conder, another Mooresville resident. "I support I-69 staying on State Road 37,"  said Blackwell.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 03, 2015, 07:04:10 AM
Isn't there some grading, some freeway stubs and ROW in Indianapolis designed for I-69? Why not brush off those old plans from the 60s and string I-69 through Indianapolis rather than string it on I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 03, 2015, 08:50:51 AM
The grading and stubs were for I-69 from the North Split with I-65 and I-70 and points north. There was never really any stub or ROW done for any parts to the south, that would have to be all new to work. If I-69 were to run through the city, I would think that it may follow I-70 itself, should the connection be made with I-70 via the Mooreseville route. My father was at the first meeting on the southside earlier this week and there was a lot of opposition there for the Mooreseville option, it would seem that this was only magnified at the most recent meeting. And I can see why. While those along SR 37 have/or could have been getting prepared for the inevitable (even if that just included turning SR 37 into a freeway) those in Mooresville have been blind-sighted by having an interstate suddenly be rerouted in their backyards just so that an existing four-lane highway would not be upgraded. I'm curious about how Martinsville goes but I think these meetings are already giving us a good idea for what most of us here already know about the practicality of staying on the original route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 03, 2015, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 03, 2015, 07:04:10 AM
Isn't there some grading, some freeway stubs and ROW in Indianapolis designed for I-69? Why not brush off those old plans from the 60s and string I-69 through Indianapolis rather than string it on I-465.

69 was never supposed to go south of the north split originally.  I've always wanted to see plans of the NE Expressway though.  Quick side note, was I-74 ever at all planned to go through the city?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 03, 2015, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 03, 2015, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 03, 2015, 07:04:10 AM
Isn't there some grading, some freeway stubs and ROW in Indianapolis designed for I-69? Why not brush off those old plans from the 60s and string I-69 through Indianapolis rather than string it on I-465.
69 was never supposed to go south of the north split originally.  I've always wanted to see plans of the NE Expressway though.  Quick side note, was I-74 ever at all planned to go through the city?
Despite the stub ends that exist inside I-465, I don't see any plans that had I-74 going through the city instead of around the loop. If it weren't for that relentless opposition back in the 70s, then the Binford Expressway would've already been completed today and made for a better alignment for the ongoing I-69 southern extension.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 03, 2015, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 03, 2015, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 03, 2015, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 03, 2015, 07:04:10 AM
Isn't there some grading, some freeway stubs and ROW in Indianapolis designed for I-69? Why not brush off those old plans from the 60s and string I-69 through Indianapolis rather than string it on I-465.
69 was never supposed to go south of the north split originally.  I've always wanted to see plans of the NE Expressway though.  Quick side note, was I-74 ever at all planned to go through the city?
Despite the stub ends that exist inside I-465, I don't see any plans that had I-74 going through the city instead of around the loop. If it weren't for that relentless opposition back in the 70s, then the Binford Expressway would've already been completed today and made for a better alignment for the ongoing I-69 southern extension.

One can dream (NE not getting cancelled), but that makes sense about 74, it doesn't need to go through town.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on December 03, 2015, 11:35:58 AM
If my INDOT history is correct (I worked there early in my career), related to the posting before last, the NE expressway in Indianapolis might have been canceled, but it ultimately benefited the I-69 Extension anyway.  The unused mileage from I-165 (what the NE expressway was designated as in the 70's) was transferred to I-164, which allowed its southern extension from its original planned terminus at the Lloyd Expressway south and west to US 41.  Of course this is now part of I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on December 04, 2015, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 02, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: sd72667 on December 02, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
I drive to and from Indianapolis almost everyday for UPS. I use US 41/I-70 or I-69/IN 45, IN 37 route. The issue of ending and "merging" the IN 37/I-69 route into I-465 will be it's going to add much more congestion in the 3, 4 and 5 mile marker area on I-465. By building I-69 and using the IN 37 route, why not continue I-69 north on pass I-465, creating an I-169>I-70 spur north along Bluff Rd/S West St and tying into the S West St/I-70 interchange? By staying east of the White River, there's no bridge construction. Also add interchanges at Southport Rd and I-465 (Indy South) to reduce congestion. This would allow motorists who work downtown, who travel from Greenwood/Franklin/Bloomington area, to use I-169 spur, thus reducing traffic going into downtown area on I-65N. I'm sure these ideas have already been tossed around over the years.

I like that idea, I've had a similar idea of continuing it up harding st to I-70

That would work as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on December 04, 2015, 10:43:11 AM
When the state redesigned the split a few years ago (Hyperfix)
they took those stubs out IIRC. I am sure someone on here can give more detail.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 04, 2015, 10:45:27 AM
Is this why I-70 is still signed as Exit 112A? was 69 supposed to be Exit 112B?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 04, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 04, 2015, 10:45:27 AM
Is this why I-70 is still signed as Exit 112A? was 69 supposed to be Exit 112B?
Yup. It would have been I-69 as exit 112B. Strange that they never renumbered it to exit 112.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 04, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Wow strange relic

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:21:51 PM
A few final pics of Section 4, which were taken Saturday, December 5th:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/23494329851_0e879bd8bc_k.jpg)
Looking northeast from Harmony Road bridge in Monroe County, Indiana.

E. S. Wagner Co., prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 4, Segment 8).


(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5685/23209244549_0216303aa3_h.jpg)
Guardrail sections laid out for installation near Harmony Road.


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/685/22948791284_ac31cfcf2a_h.jpg)
Looking northeast from near Tramway Road in Monroe County. It's a little blurry, but I believe it's Exit 154 114 on the sign. To the right, the mileage marker reads 112.

Update: Yup, it's Exit 114. Thanks for the heads up noelbotevera.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 07, 2015, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:21:51 PM


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/685/22948791284_ac31cfcf2a_h.jpg)
Looking northeast from near Tramway Road in Monroe County. It's a little blurry, but I believe it's Exit 154 on the sign. To the right, the mileage marker reads 112.
That is 114, not 154.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 07, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
Was SR 45 rerouted to be a connector to 69 until they open this section?  It makes cosigning with 58 makes no sense, when did this happen anyway?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 07, 2015, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
Was SR 45 rerouted to be a connector to 69 until they open this section?  It makes cosigning with 58 makes no sense, when did this happen anyway?

Huh? SR45 hasn't moved recently.  I presume it was re-routed back in 1941 when the Navy took over the stretch that passes through what is now Crane Naval. It used to continue down US231, but that was dropped some time ago, so I guess the best description would be that SR45 was re-routed 75 years ago to US231 via SR58.  I've only been on this side of the state 31 years, so I can't speak of anything before 1984.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 07, 2015, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: andy on December 07, 2015, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
Was SR 45 rerouted to be a connector to 69 until they open this section?  It makes cosigning with 58 makes no sense, when did this happen anyway?

Huh? SR45 hasn't moved recently.  I presume it was re-routed back in 1941 when the Navy took over the stretch that passes through what is now Crane Naval. It used to continue down US231, but that was dropped some time ago, so I guess the best description would be that SR45 was re-routed 75 years ago to US231 via SR58.  I've only been on this side of the state 31 years, so I can't speak of anything before.
O OK, I was looking at Google maps and it says old sr 45 so I assumed it was relatively recent.

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 07, 2015, 08:54:25 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2015, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: andy on December 07, 2015, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
Was SR 45 rerouted to be a connector to 69 until they open this section?  It makes cosigning with 58 makes no sense, when did this happen anyway?

Huh? SR45 hasn't moved recently.  I presume it was re-routed back in 1941 when the Navy took over the stretch that passes through what is now Crane Naval. It used to continue down US231, but that was dropped some time ago, so I guess the best description would be that SR45 was re-routed 75 years ago to US231 via SR58.  I've only been on this side of the state 31 years, so I can't speak of anything before.
O OK, I was looking at Google maps and it says old sr 45 so I assumed it was relatively recent.

Nexus 6P
Folks down here have long memories. Even confuses me sometimes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 07, 2015, 09:19:40 PM
Another article, not behind a pay wall (though I think they count visits);

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/new-i-69-section-to-open-to-public-by-end-of-day-wednesday-26509640-d573-5c48-e053-0100007f958a-360834491.html (http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/new-i-69-section-to-open-to-public-by-end-of-day-wednesday-26509640-d573-5c48-e053-0100007f958a-360834491.html)

Includes a discussion about the scarcity of exits, ending with;

QuoteFrom exit 87 at U.S. 231, it's another 11 miles to exit 98 at Indiana 45. The next exit after that is the dog bone roundabout at exit 104 to Indiana 445 in Greene County. If they miss that exit, they'll have to drive all the way to Bloomington for another chance to get off.

Wingfield said that is the result of an environmental agreement to limit development in the rural area.
Bloomington strikes again.  This is the first time I've heard this, but I've suspected it.

And;
QuoteI-69 is expected to cut travel time between Evansville and Bloomington by about 45 minutes, ...
Opponents always said 10 minutes - Max!
I'll quit before I get too spun up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on December 08, 2015, 07:55:36 AM
i think more than 45 minutes will be cut off. 

Old way 67/57 was mostly a two lane road that went through many towns and stop lights and farm traffic

New Way, assuming no accidents 70+ mph all the way with no stopping
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 08, 2015, 10:35:59 AM
I think the "10 minutes" claim was the savings with the new-terrain route from Evansville to Indy versus "US 41 upgraded to freeway standards + I-70".  Anyone with a working brain knew it would significantly cut the travel time between Evansville and Bloomington
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 08, 2015, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: andy on December 07, 2015, 09:19:40 PM
Another article, not behind a pay wall (though I think they count visits);

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/new-i-69-section-to-open-to-public-by-end-of-day-wednesday-26509640-d573-5c48-e053-0100007f958a-360834491.html (http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/new-i-69-section-to-open-to-public-by-end-of-day-wednesday-26509640-d573-5c48-e053-0100007f958a-360834491.html)

There's the copy archived on the Internet Archive in case if it's come behind a paywall.
https://web.archive.org/web/20151208155312/http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/new-i-69-section-to-open-to-public-by-end-of-day-wednesday-26509640-d573-5c48-e053-0100007f958a-360834491.html
Quote
Includes a discussion about the scarcity of exits, ending with;

QuoteFrom exit 87 at U.S. 231, it's another 11 miles to exit 98 at Indiana 45. The next exit after that is the dog bone roundabout at exit 104 to Indiana 445 in Greene County. If they miss that exit, they'll have to drive all the way to Bloomington for another chance to get off.

Wingfield said that is the result of an environmental agreement to limit development in the rural area.
Bloomington strikes again.  This is the first time I've heard this, but I've suspected it.

And sometimes limit development happens anyway. I won't be surprised to see some folks doing a 180 and complaining to add some interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 11:50:55 AM
Exits will happen in the future, it's inevitable, these guys always lose in the long run.  It would be nice to preserve the rural feel in some areas, but you just can't stop progress, it happens. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 08, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 11:50:55 AM
Exits will happen in the future, it's inevitable, these guys always lose in the long run.  It would be nice to preserve the rural feel in some areas, but you just can't stop progress, it happens.
Don't get me wrong, I love rural.  I just find it strange what folks who choose to live urban thing about rural.
But this is just going to push development to the SR445 area since 11 miles isn't too far out of the way.
While on the topic, does anyone else think it strange that SR445 ends without a connector to the east.  The nearest county road is under 3000 ft away.  I suppose this was a part of the agreement "limit development in the area" of western Monroe County.  That will be the first adjustment and it should be fully at the cost of Monroe County.
Finally, I too expect there will be a move to add an exchange closer to B-town. Probably about 10 years, but it will happen.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
I agree, there's nothing wrong with their concerns, it's just unrealistic to think they can permanently stave it off.

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 08, 2015, 12:49:54 PM
As I've followed the development of I-69, I recall that there was a fair amount of concern about the reduction in the number and location of interchanges.  However, most of the discussions I read stated that these decisions were primarily being driven by cost.  My interpretation is that INDOT wanted to get SIU 3 built as quickly and cost-effectively as possible; then, as traffic and development warranted, additional interchanges could be built.  But the push was to get this interstate's footprint down now while there was funding available and the political will to get this done.  I remember that some areas along the route were disappointed that interchanges were being dropped.

INDOT seems to have a habit of building things on the cheap, with the plans (or hopes) to improve them later.  However, I think that they have to accept the fact that interstate funding from the feds is not where it needs to be.  Our nation's infrastructure as a whole has so many needs, but not enough funding.

I've driven SR 45 numerous times between Crane and Bloomington, and there really isn't a whole lot there.  The stubbornness of Bloomington aside, I believe that development will occur within this area.  The part that really irked me was in the Courier's report about needing to build a direct access gravel ramp (which will be chained off) at the Birch Road overpass.  This does not comply with interstate standards, but was needed for emergency vehicles.  This is one area that I think INDOT should have slapped Bloomington's "concerns" aside.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:
Indot doesn't really seem to care about 641, its been under construction for what seems like an eternity!

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
There are still more exits than on roads like the Thruway and the PA Turnpike.

Also, I don't see anywhere in the article saying that Bloomington itself raised objections to having more interchanges; the word "Bloomington" just happens to appear in the preceding sentence, which mentions that there are not exits between it and IN 445.  The agreement is likely with one of many agencies concerned with environmental protection, possibly the Army Corps of Engineers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:
Indot doesn't really seem to care about 641, its been under construction for what seems like an eternity!

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Haha no kidding. They started on it in 2003. It's supposed to be finished by Fall 2016. Apparently it takes 13 years to build a 6 mile bypass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 08, 2015, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:
Indot doesn't really seem to care about 641, its been under construction for what seems like an eternity!

Nexus 6P

Haha no kidding. They started on it in 2003. It's supposed to be finished by Fall 2016. Apparently it takes 13 years to build a 6 mile bypass.
For comparison, I-635's (Texas) express lanes are about 8 miles long, and it took them four years from 2011 to 2015. Commence slow clapping or jeering.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on December 08, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:

Didn't Dwight "Ike" Eisenhower break ground for construction on SR 641 in 1956? :wow:
I never have understood why INDOT justified building SR 641, let alone going through with it's construction, once it was known I-69 would be built from Evansville>Bloomington>Indianapolis. There are three Interstate and State Highway projects that I swear have been going on since the wheel was invented around 3500 BC. The I-64/I-57 in Mt Vernon IL, just about every road project in Louisville KY and SR 641 in Terre Haute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lordsutch on December 08, 2015, 04:10:42 PM
SR 641 was a consolation prize for Terre Haute. Plus bypassing the US 41 commercial strip south of I-70 is a good idea - the fact it doesn't actually help traffic bypass the rest of Terre Haute is a bit of a downer though (there's a bit of a cobbled-together four lane route east and north of downtown, but it doesn't get you over to SR 63 without substantial backtracking).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
641 will eventually go all the way to us 150 and be a bypass for 41 and 150. Or at least that's the idea, I've seen a map of it, but I wouldn't expect to see that any time soon. I heard it was going to be 69, but it was too late to cancel the project by the time the current route was selected. Not sure if that's true at all though.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
641 will eventually go all the way to us 150 and be a bypass for 41 and 150. Or at least that's the idea, I've seen a map of it, but I wouldn't expect to see that any time soon. I heard it was going to be 69, but it was too late to cancel the project by the time the current route was selected. Not sure if that's true at all though.

Nexus 6P

I highly doubt that 641 is ever extended north of I-70. It was going to be 69 if 69 came to Terre Haute. They were always going to build 641 with or without 69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on December 08, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Also, I don't see anywhere in the article saying that Bloomington itself raised objections to having more interchanges; the word "Bloomington" just happens to appear in the preceding sentence, which mentions that there are not exits between it and IN 445.  The agreement is likely with one of many agencies concerned with environmental protection, possibly the Army Corps of Engineers.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that Bloomington is similar to "The People's Republic of Ann Arbor" so that would be a completely logical assumption that Bloomington was against having more exits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 08, 2015, 05:00:57 PM
Keeping in mind Indiana's goal of getting a freeway route to Evansville.  Any additional exits need to be reactive and if developer driven, a contribution made to their construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 08, 2015, 05:08:03 PM
Bloomington IS like "The People's Republic of Ann Arbor." And even with that, B-Town will have more exits off of I-69 than Ann Arbor does off of I-94. With that in mind, Bloomington, in my eyes anyway, has been more interested in development within the city itself, infill stuff in the areas around Downtown and IU. The typical suburban sprawl is more east and south of town with a string heading northwest to Ellettsville.

As for SW of town, I for one would actually be okay if growth is limited in that area. Monroe County is one of the most scenic counties in the state and I would like to see it remain that way. And even for SR 445 and that area I think the growth will remain limited, that terrain isn't the greatest for building upon.

As for the number of exits, I was just counting the number of interchanges along I-69 from I-64 to SR 37, it's 10 exits. Along I-64 from I-69 eastward, it's ten exits out to the Floyd County line, nearly in the Louisville metro area. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on December 08, 2015, 05:09:48 PM
Something I thought of today (and this is totally random lol); With the new section of I-69 opening tomorrow, every university in the Big Ten is now within 10 miles of an interstate.

Random sidenote over :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JimBob on December 08, 2015, 05:15:16 PM
Back in the day, the best drive time from Evansville to Bloomington (door to door) was 2 hours and 15 minutes.  If you got stuck behind a tractor, coal truck or 90 year old biddy, it could take 2 hours and 45 minutes.

So reducing the best time by 45 minutes will make it 1 hour 30 minutes.  Possibly less, depending on your speed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 05:27:22 PM
I think the Indiana autobahn's days are numbered now that this new stretch is opening.

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on December 08, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 08, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Also, I don't see anywhere in the article saying that Bloomington itself raised objections to having more interchanges; the word "Bloomington" just happens to appear in the preceding sentence, which mentions that there are not exits between it and IN 445.  The agreement is likely with one of many agencies concerned with environmental protection, possibly the Army Corps of Engineers.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that Bloomington is similar to "The People's Republic of Ann Arbor" so that would be a completely logical assumption that Bloomington was against having more exits.

Bloomington also made it known they didn't want any truck stops in the area.
They were/are a pain in the ass to everyone!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 08, 2015, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Also, I don't see anywhere in the article saying that Bloomington itself raised objections to having more interchanges; the word "Bloomington" just happens to appear in the preceding sentence, which mentions that there are not exits between it and IN 445.  The agreement is likely with one of many agencies concerned with environmental protection, possibly the Army Corps of Engineers.

I moved to this area a little over a decade ago, and been following the development of I-69 fairly closely.  This article that you read only provides minimal information.  However, over the whole time period that I've followed it, activists and local officials from Bloomington and (to a somewhat lesser degree) Perry Township in Marion County have vigorously opposed this interstate at every stage and used every means at their disposal to stop this project from ever happening.  I believe that this opposition is the reason that it has taken this long to get the first 4 sections done and section 5 started.  And they are not finished; I've already read about the same objections being raised at the public hearings for the final section 6.  The politics in this state are, by far, the most parochial, petty, selfish, and short-sighted that I have ever seen than in any other place I've lived.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 08, 2015, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Also, I don't see anywhere in the article saying that Bloomington itself raised objections to having more interchanges; the word "Bloomington" just happens to appear in the preceding sentence, which mentions that there are not exits between it and IN 445.  The agreement is likely with one of many agencies concerned with environmental protection, possibly the Army Corps of Engineers.

I moved to this area a little over a decade ago, and been following the development of I-69 fairly closely.  This article that you read only provides minimal information.  However, over the whole time period that I've followed it, activists and local officials from Bloomington and (to a somewhat lesser degree) Perry Township in Marion County have vigorously opposed this interstate at every stage and used every means at their disposal.  This interstate should have been finished years ago.  The politics in this state are, by far, the most parochial, petty, selfish, and short-sighted that I have ever seen than in any other place I've lived.
Thankfully they lost, and hopefully Perry township will soon. Also are there any truck stops at all on the entire route?

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 08, 2015, 06:00:38 PM

Thankfully they lost, and hopefully Perry township will soon. Also are there any truck stops at all on the entire route?

Nexus 6P
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North of I-64, there are some gas stations and convenience stores that are not too far off of a couple of the interstate exits (one off of US 50 and one off US 231 at Crane immediately come to mind), but no real significant truck stops (such as a Pilot or Flying J).  When I'm heading up north to Indianapolis, I always make sure that I start with a full tank.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
A truck stop on US 50 just west of the I-69 interchange would be a good place to put one. Heck I should go buy the land and start building right now before someone finds out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 08, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:

The thought the issue was that someone who lived in the path of the highway between McDaniel Rd. and SR 46 sued which caused a significant delay when alternatives had to be studied again. Last I saw SR 641 this past summer, it was coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 08, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:

The thought the issue was that someone who lived in the path of the highway between McDaniel Rd. and SR 46 sued which caused a significant delay when alternatives had to be studied again. Last I saw SR 641 this past summer, it was coming along nicely.
That wouldn't at all surprise me, it's so hard to build a road because of these issues.

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 08, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:

The thought the issue was that someone who lived in the path of the highway between McDaniel Rd. and SR 46 sued which caused a significant delay when alternatives had to be studied again. Last I saw SR 641 this past summer, it was coming along nicely.

Yeah some lawyer sued, then they saw Indiana bats which delayed the project, and then they had to get wetland permits. Regardless it should not take 13 years to build a 6 mile long freeway. If it was a priority it would have been finished 6 or 7 years ago at least.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 08, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 07, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Just announced. Section 4 will open to traffic by the end of the business day, Wednesday, December 9th.

"Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield confirmed Monday the 27-mile stretch of highway connecting Naval Surface Activity Crane to Bloomington is expected to be open to traffic some time after a ribbon-cutting ceremony scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Wednesday."

Some work will continue in the upcoming months, mainly in the median and on the shoulders, and intermittent lane closures are to be expected.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-set-to-open-wednesday/article_9cd14c0a-9d20-11e5-80ab-5b159031a6c7.html

I know where I'm going on Thursday. I can't believe I-69 is going to be finished from Bloomington to Evansville before the SR 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I think INDOT even started on 641 first.  :banghead:

The thought the issue was that someone who lived in the path of the highway between McDaniel Rd. and SR 46 sued which caused a significant delay when alternatives had to be studied again. Last I saw SR 641 this past summer, it was coming along nicely.

Yeah some lawyer sued, then they saw Indiana bats which delayed the project, and then they had to get wetland permits. Regardless it should not take 13 years to build a 6 mile long freeway. If it was a priority it would have been finished 6 or 7 years ago at least.
Butterflies are a reason why there's a tiny gap on US 31 near Benton harbor. Also because Michigan's DOT is incompetent.

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 07:00:43 PM
Even delayed, Indiana is still doing more to build I-69 than any other state on the route save Kentucky (which may or may not count due to the small number of upgrades needed) and Texas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
Indiana does a good job of building the roads they promise to build.

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 10:59:47 PM
Also Indiana is getting the most benefit from I-69 as it will connect the three largest cities in the state. In Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana, I-69 is kind of pointless. Kentucky doesn't have to do much since the parkways are almost interstate quality anyways. Texas gets benefit from free trade with Mexico at three different POE's. Also it runs through Houston, Texas' largest city. Like it or not Reynosa and Laredo are the best POE's to access Monterrey, San Luis Potosi, and Mexico City.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 11:03:20 PM
It really feels like Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas are kind of the men in the middle and are forced to because of the other states. I don't think Mississippi needs any new interstates at all really

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on December 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to follow and it's nice to see this newest section is about to open. Wonder how long it'll take for it to appear on google maps?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on December 08, 2015, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 08, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
A truck stop on US 50 just west of the I-69 interchange would be a good place to put one. Heck I should go buy the land and start building right now before someone finds out.
Too late. The original promoters of I-69 were landowners along US 50 near Washington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 08, 2015, 11:53:02 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to follow and it's nice to see this newest section is about to open. Wonder how long it'll take for it to appear on google maps?
FWIW, the new 65 bridge is already on the Google Map
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 09, 2015, 09:31:13 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to follow and it's nice to see this newest section is about to open. Wonder how long it'll take for it to appear on google maps?

I seem to recall from my memory that it took several months for Google Earth to get updated and show the first three sections after they were opened in 2012.  I remember driving on the new interstate, but my map navigator showed my location skimming over farmlands and woods!  Eventually, Google Earth was updated.

I noticed that down in Kentucky, Google Earth still hasn't updated either its images or route identifications for the section of I-69 between Madisonville and Henderson - even though the route has been re-signed and Kentucky had its official ribbon-cutting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 09, 2015, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
Indiana does a good job of building the roads they promise to build.

Nexus 6P

That's probably a fair assessment.  Considering all of the obstacles that were thrown up by the opponents in Bloomington and SW Marion County, Indiana (especially former Gov. Daniels) did exercise the will necessary to get I-69 done as far as it has been finished to date.  Right now, all the attention is being given to the opening of section 4.  Although that is a big deal in its own right, we should also remember that construction on section 5 is moving ahead at full steam and is scheduled to have the interstate done all the way to Martinsville by the end of 2016.  After that, there is only the remaining 21 or so miles to get it finished.  Hopefully, with so much momentum, INDOT will be able to get section 6 construction underway as soon as the EIS is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 09, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 09, 2015, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
Indiana does a good job of building the roads they promise to build.

Nexus 6P

That's probably a fair assessment.  Considering all of the obstacles that were thrown up by the opponents in Bloomington and SW Marion County, Indiana (especially former Gov. Daniels) did exercise the will necessary to get I-69 done as far as it has been finished to date.  Right now, all the attention is being given to the opening of section 4.  Although that is a big deal in its own right, we should also remember that construction on section 5 is moving ahead at full steam and is scheduled to have the interstate done all the way to Martinsville by the end of 2016.  After that, there is only the remaining 21 or so miles to get it finished.  Hopefully, with so much momentum, INDOT will be able to get section 6 construction underway as soon as the EIS is completed.

the only obstacle after the final route is the funding surprise surprise. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to follow and it's nice to see this newest section is about to open. Wonder how long it'll take for it to appear on google maps?

It has already been on Google Maps for some time in "started" status (which makes it invisible).   I marked those segments "completed" this morning and it is pending Google's approval.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 09, 2015, 09:47:09 AM
why is it that they don't allow this on google maps like they used too?  you used to be able to zoom in and see a ghost road that showed the future road, it was gray and dashed, I only see this occasionally now.  Open street map shows it now. interesting the Bloomington SR 45 exit will be turned into a diamond for some reason according to OSM.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 09, 2015, 09:47:09 AM
why is it that they don't allow this on google maps like they used too?  you used to be able to zoom in and see a ghost road that showed the future road, it was gray and dashed, I only see this occasionally now.  Open street map shows it now. interesting the Bloomington SR 45 exit will be turned into a diamond for some reason according to OSM.

For some reason Google is completely hiding roads in "started" or "panned" status, while "closed" roads are now shown with the gray/dashed lines.  Google doesn't share the "why" with us.  This also can be a bit of a challenge when editing in mapmaker since it's hard to edit invisible lines (they do become visible during various methods of segment selection and the actual edit process, but it makes it a challenge to visualize the finished product when you can't see it).  The intersection at SR 37 in Bloomington needs a bit more work in Google Maps, likely I or another mapper will work on that once the current road becomes visible (and hard to do during the week when I'm occupied with my normal day job).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 09, 2015, 10:47:27 AM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on December 08, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 08, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 08, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Also, I don't see anywhere in the article saying that Bloomington itself raised objections to having more interchanges; the word "Bloomington" just happens to appear in the preceding sentence, which mentions that there are not exits between it and IN 445.  The agreement is likely with one of many agencies concerned with environmental protection, possibly the Army Corps of Engineers.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that Bloomington is similar to "The People's Republic of Ann Arbor" so that would be a completely logical assumption that Bloomington was against having more exits.

Bloomington also made it known they didn't want any truck stops in the area.
They were/are a pain in the ass to everyone!

And I suppose that the City will be directing their PD to be über-aggressive WRT logbook enforcement, too, right?

:rolleyes:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 09, 2015, 11:43:44 AM
INDOT is live-tweeting the ribbon-cutting here (https://twitter.com/INDOT)

Also the Evansville Courier-Press has a pretty good article on the section opening and the history of the extension plans/construction. (http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/officials-say-finished-i-69-means-economic-momentum-for-region-25f02268-15cd-1574-e053-0100007f3a51-361150961.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JimBob on December 09, 2015, 12:17:18 PM
Articles from the Evansville Courier&Press today:

Officials say finished I-69 means economic momentum for region
http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/officials-say-finished-i-69-means-economic-momentum-for-region-25f02268-15cd-1574-e053-0100007f3a51-361150961.html

It took bipartisan advocacy, Major Moves to build I-69
http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/it-took-bipartisan-advocacy-major-moves-to-build-i-69-25f02268-15d1-1574-e053-0100007f3a51-361150881.html

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 09, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Zach_Osowski/status/674646419475705856

Section 4 now officially open!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 09, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
Does anyone know if and when "Bloomington" and/or "Indianapolis" will be added as control cities to the BGS's like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6559736,-87.1207336,3a,18.7y,122.34h,102.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4Da71sHus0xk1x4uGdyLBA!2e0
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 09, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
I would like to know, I'll hopefully be checking out the new stretch early next week. I recall seeing a signage plan early on in the construction of the first section. It showed a picture of the BGS at the SR 68 exit with I-69 which had the space left blank for northbound I-69 as it is on all BGSs for that direction. Written in "ghost letters" was the word "Indianapolis" indicating it was to be added later on. Presumably all the other BGSs were built to the same size specifications. I hope the completion of Section 4 gives them a reason to add that wording.

So as of today, I guess you can drive along the Ohio River along Riverside Drive in Evansville and end up along Harding Street within eye-shot of the Downtown Indianapolis skyline and never have to change lanes or routing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 09, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 09, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
So as of today, I guess you can drive along the Ohio River along Riverside Drive in Evansville and end up along Harding Street within eye-shot of the Downtown Indianapolis skyline and never have to change lanes or routing.
Nice dream, but there's still construction between Bloomington and Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on December 09, 2015, 03:12:20 PM
I crossed over 69 on SR45 this past weekend. The plastic over the BGS  had blown just enough to where I could see that northbound APPEARS to be still marked as 1-69 North. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on December 09, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
My son reported about an 8-minute shorter commute from Crane to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lordsutch on December 09, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2015, 11:03:20 PM
It really feels like Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas are kind of the men in the middle and are forced to because of the other states. I don't think Mississippi needs any new interstates at all really

Mississippi and Tennessee want to do it, they just don't have the money relative to other priorities that have more immediate payoffs. It doesn't help that the political clout of the Delta region has substantially declined from when I-69 was first proposed - back in the day, both the TN House speaker and lieutenant governor were from west TN, the president and vice president were from AR and TN, the Senate majority leader was from MS.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to follow and it's nice to see this newest section is about to open. Wonder how long it'll take for it to appear on google maps?

It has already been on Google Maps for some time in "started" status (which makes it invisible).   I marked those segments "completed" this morning and it is pending Google's approval.

Southbound change to "completed" has been approved.   Northbound change still pending approval.   Once Northbound is approved I'll start working on the cleanup of the interchange layout at the north end with SR 37 - it needs quite a bit of work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 09, 2015, 08:40:31 PM
Any photos of the ribbon cutting? A bunch of guys always show up in cool classic cars to make the first drive. The previous governor used to ride his motorcycle down the new road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 09, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to follow and it's nice to see this newest section is about to open. Wonder how long it'll take for it to appear on google maps?

It has already been on Google Maps for some time in "started" status (which makes it invisible).   I marked those segments "completed" this morning and it is pending Google's approval.

Southbound change to "completed" has been approved.   Northbound change still pending approval.   Once Northbound is approved I'll start working on the cleanup of the interchange layout at the north end with SR 37 - it needs quite a bit of work.

The Google moderation team was in a good mood tonight and approved the northbound completion change plus most of my interchange cleanup work.  This should all show up on Google Maps by tomorrow.  There are a few minor changes still pending (changing two way segments to one way and some road name labels).  Hopefully the remaining changes will get approved overnight.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 10, 2015, 12:52:57 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 09, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
Does anyone know if and when "Bloomington" and/or "Indianapolis" will be added as control cities to the BGS's like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6559736,-87.1207336,3a,18.7y,122.34h,102.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4Da71sHus0xk1x4uGdyLBA!2e0

Considering KY is putting up signs with control cities of Henderson and Fulton, there is no reason Indiana shouldn't at least have Bloomington on the northbound signs. Given Bloomington's size, and the fact IU is there, I don't see a problem with having it as a co-control city going forward. There will be a lot of traffic from both Indianapolis and Evansville heading to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on December 10, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
I wonder how it will be signed temporarily at the South end in Evansville. To I-69 South? US 41 detour "To I-69"? Henderson/ I-69? Northbound, use Bloomington/Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 10, 2015, 03:50:40 AM
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on December 10, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
I wonder how it will be signed temporarily at the South end in Evansville. To I-69 South? US 41 detour "To I-69"? Henderson/ I-69? Northbound, use Bloomington/Indianapolis.

As of my last trip to Evansville, there is no reference to I-69 picking back up again in Kentucky.  I'll check again when I'm over there Friday, but I don't anticipate INDOT changing anything just yet.  And as has been mentioned, signs for northbound just have a big blank space where Indianapolis will eventually go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on December 10, 2015, 03:59:48 AM
Based on that one picture, I'm surprised Bloomington is not posted Northbound. But, a lot can change. It will be interesting to find out what you see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sd72667 on December 10, 2015, 07:13:19 AM
I drove the new section back from Indy to Evansville this morning. One issue is when driving southbound on IN 37 in Bloomington, there's still an old "To I-69" sign as you approach the IN 45/Bloomfield Rd interchange. It tells you to exit on IN 45 west and follow the road back to US 231/IN 58 and I-69 interchange, which is rather confusing. Also as I drove south on IN 37 through Martinsville or Bloomington, I didn't see any signs that read "I-69 is ...miles". It's possible I missed it. Also just checked Google Maps and the new section of I-69 is now updated. BTW, the section between Bloomington and Crane is very smooth. I only encountered one rough bridge driving southbound, around the 89mm 88mm, before you get to the US 231 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 08:36:26 AM
the 445 exit is a teardrop roundabout interchange right? it's showing up as a diamond, also what is the lane configuration for the 37 interchange?  if you want to follow 37 straight through, are both ramps 2 lanes?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 08:36:26 AM
the 445 exit is a teardrop roundabout interchange right? it's showing up as a diamond, also what is the lane configuration for the 37 interchange?  if you want to follow 37 straight through, are both ramps 2 lanes?

I know for a fact it was built with roundabouts. It is definitely not a plain diamond interchange.

I'm also a little surprised that an interchange wasn't built at SR 54. I guess they want you to get off of I-69 at Crane to get to Bedford.


Section 5 Thoughts:

It's interesting that both the Fullerton Pike and Tapp Road interchanges are going to have roundabouts. (More on these roads later.)

Why is INDOT going to redo the SR 45 interchange? A folding diamond isn't already interstate quality? They just did construction and improved the interchange a year or two back.

Hopefully they close the little exit that goes into the strip mall north of the SR 48 interchange. (I think I might have read that they are).

Back to Fullerton Pike. I don't really like the interchange they drew up. It would have been better to build the ramps from/to northbound 37/69 on the north side and have That Road connect into the roundabout from the south. I don't like how That Road just ends at Rockport Road.


Fictional Ideas:

Connect Tapp Road and Airport Road west of SR 37.

Connect Fullerton Pike to Gordon Pike / Rhorer Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 10, 2015, 03:50:40 AM
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on December 10, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
I wonder how it will be signed temporarily at the South end in Evansville. To I-69 South? US 41 detour "To I-69"? Henderson/ I-69? Northbound, use Bloomington/Indianapolis.

As of my last trip to Evansville, there is no reference to I-69 picking back up again in Kentucky.  I'll check again when I'm over there Friday, but I don't anticipate INDOT changing anything just yet.  And as has been mentioned, signs for northbound just have a big blank space where Indianapolis will eventually go.

I live in Vanderburgh County, and typically, the I-69 signage within Evansville and Vanderburgh County simply states "I-69 South" and "I-69 North" with no reference cities.  At the I-64 interchange, the I-69 South has "Evansville" while the I-69 North is left blank.  I think that this is simply a reflection of the current status: I-69's southern terminus is in Evansville and does not directly tie into Kentucky.  Right now, driving on Veterans' Parkway from downtown Evansville, there is one sign in advance of the US 41 Interchange that simply states that I-69 Starts and gives a 3/4-mile reference.  Then, at US 41, the signs there direct traffic to either "US 41 South to Henderson, KY" or "US 41 North to Vincennes."  There is no signs at this interchange referencing that I-69 picks up again south outside of Henderson.  Driving southbound on I-69 approaching downtown Evansville, the signage at the US 41 interchange is the same.  In addition, there is a yellow sign that simply states "I-69 Ends".

Also, I-69 does not yet go to Indianapolis.  Based on how I've seen the interstate access signage on I-70, I-74, and I-65 near Indiana's borders (such as I've seen at Terre Haute, New Albany, Covington, and Richmond), I believe that "Indianapolis" will eventually be placed on all the I-69 North's signs once Section 6 is either completed or under construction and "substantially complete."  I think that INDOT wants to do this work once and then be done with it.  Furthermore, given the amount of resistance that INDOT received from Bloomington/Monroe County (including its elected officials and, right up to the very end, the Bloomington MPO), I don't think that INDOT would even consider placing Bloomington's name on the signs.

(This is my opinion, but is based on my observations of how I watched this process play out, along with discussions with some friends who worked for INDOT when I used to do consulting work for the state.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 08:36:26 AM
the 445 exit is a teardrop roundabout interchange right? it's showing up as a diamond, also what is the lane configuration for the 37 interchange?  if you want to follow 37 straight through, are both ramps 2 lanes?

I know for a fact it was built with roundabouts. It is definitely not a plain diamond interchange.

I'm also a little surprised that an interchange wasn't built at SR 54. I guess they want you to get off of I-69 at Crane to get to Bedford.


Section 5 Thoughts:

It's interesting that both the Fullerton Pike and Tapp Road interchanges are going to have roundabouts. (More on these roads later.)

Why is INDOT going to redo the SR 45 interchange? A folding diamond isn't already interstate quality? They just did construction and improved the interchange a year or two back.

Hopefully they close the little exit that goes into the strip mall north of the SR 48 interchange. (I think I might have read that they are).

Back to Fullerton Pike. I don't really like the interchange they drew up. It would have been better to build the ramps from/to northbound 37/69 on the north side and have That Road connect into the roundabout from the south. I don't like how That Road just ends at Rockport Road.


Fictional Ideas:

Connect Tapp Road and Airport Road west of SR 37.

Connect Fullerton Pike to Gordon Pike / Rhorer Road.

Bloomington is actually doing the fullerton project you're mentioning soon.

I think SR 54 is so high off the ground that an interchange isn't a good idea, i believe someone on here mentioned that a while back.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 10, 2015, 03:50:40 AM
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on December 10, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
I wonder how it will be signed temporarily at the South end in Evansville. To I-69 South? US 41 detour "To I-69"? Henderson/ I-69? Northbound, use Bloomington/Indianapolis.

As of my last trip to Evansville, there is no reference to I-69 picking back up again in Kentucky.  I'll check again when I'm over there Friday, but I don't anticipate INDOT changing anything just yet.  And as has been mentioned, signs for northbound just have a big blank space where Indianapolis will eventually go.

I live in Vanderburgh County, and typically, the I-69 signage within Evansville and Vanderburgh County simply states "I-69 South" and "I-69 North" with no reference cities.  At the I-64 interchange, the I-69 South has "Evansville" while the I-69 North is left blank.  I think that this is simply a reflection of the current status: I-69's southern terminus is in Evansville and does not directly tie into Kentucky.  Right now, driving on Veterans' Parkway from downtown Evansville, there is one sign in advance of the US 41 Interchange that simply states that I-69 Starts and gives a 3/4-mile reference.  Then, at US 41, the signs there direct traffic to either "US 41 South to Henderson, KY" or "US 41 North to Vincennes."  There is no signs at this interchange referencing that I-69 picks up again south outside of Henderson.  Driving southbound on I-69 approaching downtown Evansville, the signage at the US 41 interchange is the same.  In addition, there is a yellow sign that simply states "I-69 Ends".

Also, I-69 does not yet go to Indianapolis.  Based on how I've seen the interstate access signage on I-70, I-74, and I-65 near Indiana's borders (such as I've seen at Terre Haute, New Albany, Covington, and Richmond), I believe that "Indianapolis" will eventually be placed on all the I-69 North's signs once Section 6 is either completed or under construction and "substantially complete."  I think that INDOT wants to do this work once and then be done with it.  Furthermore, given the amount of resistance that INDOT received from Bloomington/Monroe County (including its elected officials and, right up to the very end, the Bloomington MPO), I don't think that INDOT would even consider placing Bloomington's name on the signs.

(This is my opinion, but is based on my observations of how I watched this process play out, along with discussions with some friends who worked for INDOT when I used to do consulting work for the state.)

Haha, I was thinking the exact same thing. It probably should be Indianapolis anyways. If they really wanted to stick it to Bloomington, put Martinsvile/Indianapolis on the signs. :poke:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
For those who are interested (or want to raise their blood pressure), there is an excellent article in today's Evansville Courier and Press about the history of the opposition to I-69 by opponents in Bloomington, and how they see the recent opening of Section 4.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/facing-the-future/i-69-opponents-the-process-is-broken-267e8ec7-416f-5b77-e053-0100007ffbb2-361357841.html

And they are not ready to give up.  Although they are resigned to the fact that they couldn't stop the interstate, they are still committed to being obstructionists, but on a smaller scale locally.  I also expect to see them try and gum up the Section 6 process towards a Record of Decision.

QuoteMayor Mark Kruzan voted against including I-69 in the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization's long-range plan. He's not convinced the highway will have the economic benefits touted by proponents, or that Bloomington even needs that boost.

"If you look at Bloomington, most people think of the economy doing well even though it's not on an interstate," he said. "The culture is strong without that link."

And if more jobs come, they might be in the form of chain stores, restaurants and other typical roadside attractions that can be seen on interstates throughout the country.

"Some people come here because there is not an interstate," he said. "It's unique."

As the construction continues up Indiana 37 through Bloomington, Kruzan wonders how it will affect city and county roads. Many that once crossed the state highway will dead end at the interstate. Those that will crossover, such as 17th Street, will now become major east/west connectors. Will those roads need to be altered to handle the increased traffic load? Who will pay for those changes?

Now that Section 4 is open and Section 5 is under construction, it's no longer a question of being for or against the highway, Kruzan said. Now it's about how to deal with it. He wants to see the people who organized and opposed the highway stay involved and weigh in on planning and zoning issues.

"I hope opponents don't feel like we lost and disengage," he said.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 08:36:26 AM
the 445 exit is a teardrop roundabout interchange right? it's showing up as a diamond, also what is the lane configuration for the 37 interchange?  if you want to follow 37 straight through, are both ramps 2 lanes?


Section 5 Thoughts:

It's interesting that both the Fullerton Pike and Tapp Road interchanges are going to have roundabouts. (More on these roads later.)

Why is INDOT going to redo the SR 45 interchange? A folding diamond isn't already interstate quality? They just did construction and improved the interchange a year or two back.

If I read the documentation correctly, I think that the construction at SR 45 is going to only consist of minor improvements primarily related to pedestrian use.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 09:59:36 AM
2 quotes that annoy me and my responses:

1- "Some people come here because there is not an interstate," he said. "It's unique."

I don't believe that is true in any meaningful way

2- "I hope opponents don't feel like we lost and disengage," he said.

you did lose, get over it, it happens in life, move on!

All of these runoff concerns seem very overblown, just a minor concern that gets blown up when you don't have any real concerns.  I've done many erosion control plans, and I can tell you the erosion concerns have been addressed.  Of course you can't stop all runoff, but that shouldn't stop you from building a road.  This runoff issue can be put on every 2 lane state road that was or will be built down there, they just bitch now because it's an interstate.  They'll all grow to like it in the end, and if they don't tough shit, it here for all to use now! 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 10, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
I made the trip from US231 to Bloomington and back last night.  Nice road with a lot of elevated views.

There were a couple of bridges with slight dips on the approaches, so they will probably will need add some asphalt over the next few years.

The 69N to 37N interchange flowed smoother than I feared. Still pinched to one lane each for 37N and 69N, but this is sensible until Section 5 gets further along.

Monroe County has "No Salt" signs along the length. Hmmm....

The reason I remember for no SR54 exchange is proximity to SR445 and SR45.  The elevation could have been overcome, but it would have been more costly than average. I will be curious to see if the county will improve existing roads parallel and south of I69 to accommodate local folks wanting to get to 54 East.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The whole thing would probably be done by now too. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?
I see your point of what they feel, US 41, but I have to disagree with it
you could say that about every new road in the country, fact of the matter is, the 41 route made absolutely no sense, this route did.  I'm sure not everyone didn't want this road, but they got it, and they'll come around to it, it made no sense for this road to have not been built with the original interstate plans back in the day.  I really feel these obstructionist objectors are, like with a lot of issues a very vocal minority.  As I said before, opposition is totally OK, it just angers me with the opposition is illogical and just simply obstructionist. I am more than willing to listen to well thought out reasons not to do something, I'm not willing to listen to their get off my lawn bullshit. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?
I see your point of what they feel, US 41, but I have to disagree with it
you could say that about every new road in the country, fact of the matter is, the 41 route made absolutely no sense, this route did.  I'm sure not everyone didn't want this road, but they got it, and they'll come around to it, it made no sense for this road to have not been built with the original interstate plans back in the day.  I really feel these obstructionist objectors are, like with a lot of issues a very vocal minority.  As I said before, opposition is totally OK, it just angers me with the opposition is illogical and just simply obstructionist. I am more than willing to listen to well thought out reasons not to do something, I'm not willing to listen to their get off my lawn bullshit.

I agree that I-69 should go to Bloomington, but I also think it should have been built as a toll road from the the SR 57 interchange (Exit 22) to the SR 37 interchange. There's was really no good reason not to toll that section.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The whole thing would probably be done by now too. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?

Your point is a fair one, but you are forgetting that there were towns such as Petersburg, Washington, and Bedford that wanted this new terrain highway, as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.  This is not just an Evansville to Indianapolis interstate, but is part of a much larger transportation and economic corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The whole thing would probably be done by now too. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?

Your point is a fair one, but you are forgetting that there were towns such as Petersburg, Washington, and Bedford that wanted this new terrain highway, as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.  This is not just an Evansville to Indianapolis interstate, but is part of a much larger transportation and economic corridor.

I agree with that, I don't know the history of the area, but I've always wondered why there wasn't at least a divided highway that connected Indy to Eville, something akin to US 31 with Indy and South Bend.  Does anyone have an idea why?  Also I see this route being very beneficial to Eville and all cities along the route. I really don't think the 41 route would have been at all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on December 10, 2015, 12:02:23 PM
US 41 was deliberatly widened between Vincennes and Farmersburg between 1970 and 1975 to provide that 4-lane route via I-70.  When the ribbon was cut upon completion of the last section, that is what the governer said.  US 41/I-70 was the first all 4-lane route between Indy and Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 10, 2015, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The whole thing would probably be done by now too. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?
As it is, the original I-69 runs from SW to NE, and the extension will continue that orientation all the way into TX. So in a way, routing it to Evansville via Bloomington makes a lot more sense than piggybacking on I-70 west to Terre Haute and US 41 to Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on December 10, 2015, 02:15:28 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?
I see your point of what they feel, US 41, but I have to disagree with it
you could say that about every new road in the country, fact of the matter is, the 41 route made absolutely no sense, this route did.  I'm sure not everyone didn't want this road, but they got it, and they'll come around to it, it made no sense for this road to have not been built with the original interstate plans back in the day.  I really feel these obstructionist objectors are, like with a lot of issues a very vocal minority.  As I said before, opposition is totally OK, it just angers me with the opposition is illogical and just simply obstructionist. I am more than willing to listen to well thought out reasons not to do something, I'm not willing to listen to their get off my lawn bullshit.

I agree that I-69 should go to Bloomington, but I also think it should have been built as a toll road from the the SR 57 interchange (Exit 22) to the SR 37 interchange. There's was really no good reason not to toll that section.
Heck, they could have tolled all the new sections and called it the Trans-Indiana Turnpike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.

Crane should be closed regardless.  Why the hell is there a Navy base in central Indiana in the first place?  Talk about military pork...


I would have rather seen the US 41 corridor upgraded, too.  In addition to providing a good connection between Indy and Evansville, it would also double as an improved N-S corridor between established medium-sized cities.
The new I-69 could've been built as a toll road, but the traffic projections weren't going to make that viable.  So they needed a massive federal subsidy and a ridiculous extension to Mexico to get the support to make it happen.
How long will it take for the extra billions spent on the new terrain alignment to pay off in terms of economic improvement for a handful of small towns?  I'm sure it all be worth it once they build a Love's in Petersburg.

Ah, there's no point in griping about this anymore.  The road's built.
I will be interested to see how the traffic numbers are over the next year or so now that it actually goes somewhere.  I wonder if those numbers will even justify the freeway conversion of IN 37 yet.  I've been hearing for decades now how 'important' this Evansville-Indianapolis interstate is.  Now that they have the connection they want, I can't wait to see if reality matches the vision.
If it doesn't, can we cancel the Ohio River bridge?   :ded:  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.

Crane should be closed regardless.  Why the hell is there a Navy base in central Indiana in the first place?  Talk about military pork...


I would have rather seen the US 41 corridor upgraded, too.  In addition to providing a good connection between Indy and Evansville, it would also double as an improved N-S corridor between established medium-sized cities.
The new I-69 could've been built as a toll road, but the traffic projections weren't going to make that viable.  So they needed a massive federal subsidy and a ridiculous extension to Mexico to get the support to make it happen.
How long will it take for the extra billions spent on the new terrain alignment to pay off in terms of economic improvement for a handful of small towns?  I'm sure it all be worth it once they build a Love's in Petersburg.

Ah, there's no point in griping about this anymore.  The road's built.
I will be interested to see how the traffic numbers are over the next year or so now that it actually goes somewhere.  I wonder if those numbers will even justify the freeway conversion of IN 37 yet.  I've been hearing for decades now how 'important' this Evansville-Indianapolis interstate is.  Now that they have the connection they want, I can't wait to see if reality matches the vision.
If it doesn't, can we cancel the Ohio River bridge?   :ded:  :-D

I think for the highway to be worth it, the ohio river bridge has to be built IMO
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on December 10, 2015, 02:33:06 PM
That and also finishing it down to Memphis since it's a big transportation hub.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 10, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Ah, there's no point in griping about this anymore.  The road's built.
I will be interested to see how the traffic numbers are over the next year or so now that it actually goes somewhere.  I wonder if those numbers will even justify the freeway conversion of IN 37 yet.

I have no doubt that the freeway conversion of IN 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is justified.  Certainly more traffic on that road than I-74 and I think more than I-70 westbound (at least immediately outside of the I-465 beltway) as well.

I would also guess some people that switched over to IN 67 in Martinsville will take the freeway instead once all the stoplights are removed.

Edit:  Okay, maybe not I-70... some of that is an illusion since there's so many lanes by the airport.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 10, 2015, 02:57:01 PM
I feel like 74 west into Illinois is less needed than 69 if the same thing happened along that corridor
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on December 10, 2015, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.

Crane should be closed regardless.  Why the hell is there a Navy base in central Indiana in the first place?  Talk about military pork...


I would have rather seen the US 41 corridor upgraded, too.  In addition to providing a good connection between Indy and Evansville, it would also double as an improved N-S corridor between established medium-sized cities.
The new I-69 could've been built as a toll road, but the traffic projections weren't going to make that viable.  So they needed a massive federal subsidy and a ridiculous extension to Mexico to get the support to make it happen.
How long will it take for the extra billions spent on the new terrain alignment to pay off in terms of economic improvement for a handful of small towns?  I'm sure it all be worth it once they build a Love's in Petersburg.

Ah, there's no point in griping about this anymore.  The road's built.
I will be interested to see how the traffic numbers are over the next year or so now that it actually goes somewhere.  I wonder if those numbers will even justify the freeway conversion of IN 37 yet.  I've been hearing for decades now how 'important' this Evansville-Indianapolis interstate is.  Now that they have the connection they want, I can't wait to see if reality matches the vision.
If it doesn't, can we cancel the Ohio River bridge?   :ded:  :-D

If you think Crane is a Navy base, you need to do some serious research.
Seriously! There is a great reason it is where it is at. Indiana was very smart to build the interstate to serve it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on December 10, 2015, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on December 10, 2015, 06:51:56 PM
If you think Crane is a Navy base, you need to do some serious research.
Seriously! There is a great reason it is where it is at. Indiana was very smart to build the interstate to serve it.
what
http://cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrma/installations/nsa_crane/about/history.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on December 10, 2015, 07:54:15 PM
I checked INDOT's interactive traffic map. The last year of data is from 2011. The avg daily count of SR 37 between SR 46 at Bloomington and the south edge of Martinsville is 21,278 (I took the avg of the 6 traffic counts listed between the two cities). That's more than I-74 between Indy and Illinois. It's also a few more thousand more than US 41 between Evansville and Terre Haute.

Also, Crane isn't really a Navy base, per se. There's less than 100 active duty personnel stationed there, and that's a combination of Navy, Army, Marine Corp and yes, the Coast Guard. But there's probably 3,000 or more civilian/contract employees there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 10, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 10, 2015, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on December 10, 2015, 06:51:56 PM
If you think Crane is a Navy base, you need to do some serious research.
Seriously! There is a great reason it is where it is at. Indiana was very smart to build the interstate to serve it.
what
http://cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrma/installations/nsa_crane/about/history.html
I really shouldn't bite on this since it is so far off topic, but....
NE2, I don't suppose you actually read the link, other than to be purposefully literal about 2trailertruckers comment.
Crane is historically Navy, but its original function still exist as an Army tenant activity.
Also, there is a lot of Navy work that does not require being on the water's edge and being centrally located does provide some utility in serving both coast.


Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.

Crane should be closed regardless.  Why the hell is there a Navy base in central Indiana in the first place?  Talk about military pork...

As your signature says, "That's just like... your opinion, man."
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Sorry in advance, couldn't resist.

And on more sober note and back on topic, Crane's ammunition function used to rely very heavily on rail service. With the unfortunate decline in rail in this country, it is now much more dependent on the road system.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 10, 2015, 08:03:51 PM
There is actually a lot of naval and other support functions far from the oceans - such as the supply depots in Point Pleasant, West Virginia and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 10, 2015, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: andy on December 10, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 10, 2015, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on December 10, 2015, 06:51:56 PM
If you think Crane is a Navy base, you need to do some serious research.
Seriously! There is a great reason it is where it is at. Indiana was very smart to build the interstate to serve it.
what
http://cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrma/installations/nsa_crane/about/history.html
I really shouldn't bite on this since it is so far off topic, but....
NE2, I don't suppose you actually read the link, other than to be purposefully literal about 2trailertruckers comment.
Crane is historically Navy, but its original function still exist as an Army tenant activity.
Also, there is a lot of Navy work that does not require being on the water's edge and being centrally located does provide some utility in serving both coast.

Also, the central location is why the USNavy's only enlisted 'boot camp' is in north suburban Chicagoland (Great Lakes N.T.S.).  Also, the majority of the Navy's recruits come from the central USA.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 11, 2015, 12:37:41 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
The biggest problem with I-69 is that they shoved it down a bunch of people's throats that didn't want the interstate in the first place. And the people that really wanted it (Terre Haute, Sullivan, Vincennes, Princeton) didn't get it. There would have been no resistance what so ever had Indiana ran it up US 41 to Terre Haute. It also would have saved the state billions of dollars. The whole thing would probably be done by now too. The route to Bloomington without question is the best route, but why give it to people that don't want it?

That's a pretty big misconception, brought to you by a very vocal minority. I do a lot of business in Bloomington, as well as the rest of Southern Indiana, and I can assure you most of the commerce leaders, the general population of Monroe County, along with every single parent of an IU student from Southwest Indiana wanted that highway. Trust me, Washington, Petersburg, Oakland City, etc wanted it and needed it much more than Princeton and Sullivan. US 41 in it's present state isn't great, but those towns along it were much better off than Washington and Petersburg were with the only access being two lane goat trails.

My daughter goes to ISU, so personally, I would love to see 41 in better shape, but the Bloomington route is much more beneficial for the greater good.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 11, 2015, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:32:39 AM

I agree that I-69 should go to Bloomington, but I also think it should have been built as a toll road from the the SR 57 interchange (Exit 22) to the SR 37 interchange. There's was really no good reason not to toll that section.

I guess no better reason than not to toll I-70 from SR 46 to I-465.......
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 11, 2015, 04:24:04 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.

Crane should be closed regardless.  Why the hell is there a Navy base in central Indiana in the first place?  Talk about military pork...


There is a damn good reason Crane is where it is, and it has zilch to do with boats.

First it's a out of the way place to store munitions (including nukes) on cheap secure land. It has rail access with equal travel times to the gulf and the east coast, and it's not bad to the west coast ether, and it's close to the Great Lakes training center.

Second, most of what crane does has nothing to do with boats specifically. They do development of electronics and weapons for the boats.

Lastly they maintain and develop weapons and other items for the seals.

It's the 3rd largest by size naval base in the world.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on December 11, 2015, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:32:39 AM

I agree that I-69 should go to Bloomington, but I also think it should have been built as a toll road from the the SR 57 interchange (Exit 22) to the SR 37 interchange. There's was really no good reason not to toll that section.

I guess no better reason than not to toll I-70 from SR 46 to I-465.......

Could even have tolling along the new SR 641, since it was only built to benefit Terre Haute.   :D  See how easy it is to play this game?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on December 11, 2015, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:32:39 AM

I agree that I-69 should go to Bloomington, but I also think it should have been built as a toll road from the the SR 57 interchange (Exit 22) to the SR 37 interchange. There's was really no good reason not to toll that section.

I guess no better reason than not to toll I-70 from SR 46 to I-465.......

Could even have tolling along the new SR 641, since it was only built to benefit Terre Haute.   :D  See how easy it is to play this game?

I would actually support tolling both SR 641 and I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

That Road still has an intersection with northbound 37.

I drove on the newest section yesterday. I was most impressed with the very tall bridge (not sure what road that is) that goes over I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

I also noticed that Google Maps shows I-69 extending south from Evansville along the US 41 twin bridges and the US 41 commercial strip through Henderson, KY, which is not an accurate representation of the actual situation along that section.  Neither Indiana nor Kentucky has signed those areas as I-69.  I also noticed that Google Maps and Google Earth do not show this information identically.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on December 11, 2015, 01:11:10 PM
I just realized this one, when I-69 gets completed in Indiana there will be another consecutive interstate junction to the list.  The first in Indiana with I-69 and I-70 intersecting, and just like with I-71 at Columbus for I-70, it will join I-80 in PA with both numbers preceding and following it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

That Road still has an intersection with northbound 37.

I drove on the newest section yesterday. I was most impressed with the very tall bridge (not sure what road that is) that goes over I-69.

Wow - that is surprising to hear, especially since the new Rockport Road overpass bridge immediately to the north of That Road has been built and opened to traffic.  Not sure why That Road would still be opened, unless the contractor has not finished building the access road to the east of 37 that would route That Road on to Rockport Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

That Road still has an intersection with northbound 37.

I drove on the newest section yesterday. I was most impressed with the very tall bridge (not sure what road that is) that goes over I-69.

Wow - that is surprising to hear, especially since the new Rockport Road overpass bridge immediately to the north of That Road has been built and opened to traffic.  Not sure why That Road would still be opened, unless the contractor has not finished building the access road to the east of 37 that would route That Road on to Rockport Road.

Since that intersection on That Road should be going away soon probably makes sense to just leave the mapping as is.   I redrew That Road up to Rockport based on this news story that said the new routing had been opened.  http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2015/08/i-69-section-5-announces-opening-of-rockport-road.php
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

I also noticed that Google Maps shows I-69 extending south from Evansville along the US 41 twin bridges and the US 41 commercial strip through Henderson, KY, which is not an accurate representation of the actual situation along that section.  Neither Indiana nor Kentucky has signed those areas as I-69.  I also noticed that Google Maps and Google Earth do not show this information identically.

Haha. That is worth putting on here. The I-69 Ohio River Bridges are now complete.  :D

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12360348_190651137944924_7633020813079396441_n.jpg?oh=8ccd84e2e44d9e1841e2e0363e9b7b0d&oe=56DBDD86)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 11, 2015, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

I also noticed that Google Maps shows I-69 extending south from Evansville along the US 41 twin bridges and the US 41 commercial strip through Henderson, KY, which is not an accurate representation of the actual situation along that section.  Neither Indiana nor Kentucky has signed those areas as I-69.  I also noticed that Google Maps and Google Earth do not show this information identically.

Haha. That is worth putting on here. The I-69 Ohio River Bridges are now complete.  :D

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12360348_190651137944924_7633020813079396441_n.jpg?oh=8ccd84e2e44d9e1841e2e0363e9b7b0d&oe=56DBDD86)
Talk about wishful thinking here! :rofl:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 11, 2015, 05:54:40 PM
The BGSs in Evansville are still blank where the control city will go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on December 11, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 11, 2015, 04:24:04 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 10, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 10, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
as well as the Crane Naval Base.  There was serious concern that Crane, due to its isolated location, could be selected for closure.

Crane should be closed regardless.  Why the hell is there a Navy base in central Indiana in the first place?  Talk about military pork...


There is a damn good reason Crane is where it is, and it has zilch to do with boats.

First it's a out of the way place to store munitions (including nukes) on cheap secure land. It has rail access with equal travel times to the gulf and the east coast, and it's not bad to the west coast ether, and it's close to the Great Lakes training center.

Second, most of what crane does has nothing to do with boats specifically. They do development of electronics and weapons for the boats.

Lastly they maintain and develop weapons and other items for the seals.

It's the 3rd largest by size naval base in the world.

BINGO! Plus, how badly needed good paying jobs does Crane provide? I'll say nobody in the area can compare. And people want to risk that for...what? A butterfly or a tree?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 11, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on December 10, 2015, 07:54:15 PM
I checked INDOT's interactive traffic map. The last year of data is from 2011. The avg daily count of SR 37 between SR 46 at Bloomington and the south edge of Martinsville is 21,278 (I took the avg of the 6 traffic counts listed between the two cities). That's more than I-74 between Indy and Illinois. It's also a few more thousand more than US 41 between Evansville and Terre Haute.

Thank you for these numbers.  That makes the ongoing/forthcoming upgrades a lot more palatable in my opinion.



Just like most military installations, Crane is a jobs program first and a matter of national security second.  Or fourth.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 12, 2015, 07:17:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 11, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
Just like most military installations, Crane is a jobs program first and a matter of national security second.  Or fourth.

Hmmm. Can you cite any evidence that Crane is primarily a jobs program? Or is that an opinion not based on any facts? It seems to me that the facility has served a pretty critical function since 1941 when it was established.


Anyway, I took a drive down to section 4 today. The section is pretty impressive with the rolling terrain and high bridges. It reminds me of I-64, but I think that section 4 is probably be the most scenic Interstate in Indiana. Like with sections 1-3 and with US 31, it is difficult to believe they finished it given its state only a few short weeks before opening. Here are some random notes:

- The SR 37 and SR 445 interchanges have great lighting unlike the most all of the section 1-3 and the new US 31 interchanges (I-69/SR 68 being the exception). I am not sure how INDOT decides why some interchanges get great lighting and others get none.
- The traffic was heavier than I expected. It wasn't congested by any means, it was a lot heavier than I have ever seen it when only sections 1-3 existed. SR 45 traffic appeared to be non-existent at the new interchange.
- There was a lot of crosswind coming through the valleys on a day with a stiff south wind.
- I was surprised to see that NB I-69 at SR 37 goes down to a single lane. I assume that will be modified to include another lane when section 5 opens.
- The eastern extension of SR 445 to I-69 is pretty impressive.
- Section 5 has progressed a lot since I last saw it in September. A lot of work including paving south of Martinsville was being done today. This construction season has been longer than most.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 12, 2015, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 12, 2015, 07:17:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 11, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
Just like most military installations, Crane is a jobs program first and a matter of national security second.  Or fourth.

Hmmm. Can you cite any evidence that Crane is primarily a jobs program? Or is that an opinion not based on any facts? It seems to me that the facility has served a pretty critical function since 1941 when it was established.

I've derailed the thread enough.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on December 13, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 12, 2015, 07:17:03 PM

- The SR 37 and SR 445 interchanges have great lighting unlike the most all of the section 1-3 and the new US 31 interchanges (I-69/SR 68 being the exception). I am not sure how INDOT decides why some interchanges get great lighting and others get none.


IIRC, original plans for sections 1-3 of I-69 called for lighting most of the intersections. The short section from I-64 to SR-68 was completed first, with lighting at the 68 intersection. Money then got tight and lighting at other intersections was postponed during planning to save some bucks. I'm pleasantly surprised that lighting was done on section 4.

I suspect that lighting may have been nixed on some other projects to save dollars. Maybe it's the only way to get the projects built, but it's a shame. I don't know if lighting was eliminated from the US-31 Plymouth-South Bend project, but I know they cut other details to economize. Original plans I saw for the US-31/20 intersection called for building flyovers for the NB-to-WB and WB-to-SB connections. That didn't get done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on December 15, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
I don't think there is a single logo or service sign along I-69 between I-64 and IN 37.  If there really are no services available at most of the exits, it would be nice for INDOT to put up a couple 'Next services X miles' signs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 15, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Unless I'm mistaken there aren't any rest areas on I-69 between Bloomington and Evansville. Are there any plans to put some in?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 15, 2015, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 15, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
I don't think there is a single logo or service sign along I-69 between I-64 and IN 37.  If there really are no services available at most of the exits, it would be nice for INDOT to put up a couple 'Next services X miles' signs.

There are services within a mile or so at several interchanges including SR 68, SR 64, SR 56/SR 61, US 50, US 231, and SR 445. Blue service signs would be nice because none of these services are within clear sight of I-69.

Quote from: US 41 on December 15, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Unless I'm mistaken there aren't any rest areas on I-69 between Bloomington and Evansville. Are there any plans to put some in?

There was a plan to put one in in Greene County, if I remember right. It would have been a single facility serving both directions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 15, 2015, 10:10:16 PM
I suppose traffic counts are the reason for the lack of a rest area right now?

As for the service signs, much agreed on the need to put them up. US 31 around Kokomo has service signs at it's exits for businesses that are all located around SR 931, at least a mile or so away from the freeway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 16, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 15, 2015, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 15, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
I don't think there is a single logo or service sign along I-69 between I-64 and IN 37.  If there really are no services available at most of the exits, it would be nice for INDOT to put up a couple 'Next services X miles' signs.

There are services within a mile or so at several interchanges including SR 68, SR 64, SR 56/SR 61, US 50, US 231, and SR 445. Blue service signs would be nice because none of these services are within clear sight of I-69.

Quote from: US 41 on December 15, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Unless I'm mistaken there aren't any rest areas on I-69 between Bloomington and Evansville. Are there any plans to put some in?

There was a plan to put one in in Greene County, if I remember right. It would have been a single facility serving both directions.

Service signs and mileage signs are both sorely missed right now. There are plenty of services close by, as pointed out, but unless you know the area, you wouldn't know it from the highway. I certainly don't understand why no mileage signs, especially southbound. KY hasn't even shielded the former Pennyrile section, yet there are mileage signs for little old Fulton as soon as you leave Henderson.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 16, 2015, 07:24:05 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 15, 2015, 10:10:16 PM
I suppose traffic counts are the reason for the lack of a rest area right now?

As for the service signs, much agreed on the need to put them up. US 31 around Kokomo has service signs at it's exits for businesses that are all located around SR 931, at least a mile or so away from the freeway.

I feel like the ones on 31 had a huge backing by the city of kokomo and all the business owners that were afraid of losing all the traffic. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on December 16, 2015, 10:23:06 AM

Quote from: US 41 on December 15, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Unless I'm mistaken there aren't any rest areas on I-69 between Bloomington and Evansville. Are there any plans to put some in?



There was a plan in Daviess county as well, but it was cut, along with two additional interchanges. Also, Daviess County Commissioners approved buying and installing their own county road number signs for all the overpasses. INDOT refused to install any, so they decided to do it themselves.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
The Evansville Courier & Press reprinted an editorial from the Bloomington Herald-Times that gave an interesting perspective of Section 4's opening from Bloomington's point of view.  Because the Herald-Times locks up all of its content behind pay walls, I couldn't link to that article (or its readers' comments) directly.  So instead I attached the Courier reprint.

http://www.courierpress.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-like-it-or-not-i-69-opens-up-links-26e2ec26-4fe5-59c8-e053-0100007f2552-362478941.html

However, there was one part of this editorial that really jumped out at me:

QuoteSo the absence of nearly all Bloomington and Monroe County elected officials from Wednesday's opening ceremony of I-69's Section 4 was understandable. It's going to take time to get comfortable with this new relationship.

Perhaps we can begin by considering that I-69 is not "their" road. In many important ways, it is "ours" as well.

The people using it today are not from Mexico or Canada. They are not drug couriers. They do not come here to steal our jobs or destroy the place we love. They are people we know, and they care about Bloomington, too.

A major piece of infrastructure improvement is opened that will greatly benefit Indiana and all communities along this route, and these local officials are still spitefully holding their collective grudges.  These officials still decided to show their true selves, their true pettiness, and not even attend the opening ceremony.  These people should be ashamed of themselves, especially for the years of how they derisively referred to their fellow state residents living south of them.  Frankly, I will make sure that every time I drive up to Indianapolis, I will not do any commerce with this town's businesses.  If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 16, 2015, 01:39:44 PM
Bah, if those officials showed up, the same people would be criticizing them for trying to take credit for a project they opposed.  There's enough pettiness and spite to go around.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 16, 2015, 01:39:44 PM
Bah, if those officials showed up, the same people would be criticizing them for trying to take credit for a project they opposed.  There's enough pettiness and spite to go around.

I disagree.  I think that these local officials showing up would have been a nice gesture towards putting this animosity behind everyone.  But I also agree that there has been a perception that the interstate's supporters have been excessively "spiking the football" at the opponents.  I have some friends who are involved in promoting economic development along this corridor, and they are trying very hard to overcome these hard feelings.  I've been told that there are many businesses within Bloomington that were not opposed to this new interstate, but the voices of the opposition drew most of the press coverage.

To a fair extent, I suspect that the news organizations drove much of this, because it helps sell newspapers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 16, 2015, 03:59:00 PM
They'll get over it, and if they don't it doesn't matter anyway, they lost.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 16, 2015, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 11, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2015, 01:42:46 AM
Just did a quick glance over at google maps:  The 69 designation is applied all the way up to Fullerton Pike.

Yes I did that.   That's the first at grade crossing where the freeway priority ends.  While a little bit of that is in section 5 logically we all know that will be part of I69.

That Road still has an intersection with northbound 37.

I drove on the newest section yesterday. I was most impressed with the very tall bridge (not sure what road that is) that goes over I-69.

Wow - that is surprising to hear, especially since the new Rockport Road overpass bridge immediately to the north of That Road has been built and opened to traffic.  Not sure why That Road would still be opened, unless the contractor has not finished building the access road to the east of 37 that would route That Road on to Rockport Road.
Old topic (sort of), but I just drove through and noticed the prominently posted blue signs with 'H' on it.  It looks That Road is still open except for thru-crossing traffic as access to the hospital until Fullerton gets its ramps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 17, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 11, 2015, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 11, 2015, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on December 11, 2015, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 10, 2015, 10:32:39 AM

I agree that I-69 should go to Bloomington, but I also think it should have been built as a toll road from the the SR 57 interchange (Exit 22) to the SR 37 interchange. There's was really no good reason not to toll that section.

I guess no better reason than not to toll I-70 from SR 46 to I-465.......

Could even have tolling along the new SR 641, since it was only built to benefit Terre Haute.   :D  See how easy it is to play this game?

I would actually support tolling both SR 641 and I-70.

you might get your wish

http://wishtv.com/2015/12/17/indiana-gasoline-tax-would-go-up-under-house-gop-proposal/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 17, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
also us 41, the reason why SR 641 is taking forever to complete is likely due to the environmental concerns, I talked with someone who worked on the project, and quite a bit of work is being done to completely reroute a creek, remove trees and other things related to that.  I also heard there has been issues with the EPA regarding some things on the project that had to get cleared up.  doing all of that isn't hard, but with all the rules and regulations, it becomes hard. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 17, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
QuoteRepublican bill would also call for a state study on the possibility of charging tolls on Interstates 65 and 70 across the entire state, which could generate $365 million a year, said House transportation committee Chairman Ed Soliday, R-Valparaiso.

Tolling I-70 and I-65 across the state is an awesome idea. Now there's an idea I can get behind!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 17, 2015, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 17, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
QuoteRepublican bill would also call for a state study on the possibility of charging tolls on Interstates 65 and 70 across the entire state, which could generate $365 million a year, said House transportation committee Chairman Ed Soliday, R-Valparaiso.

Tolling I-70 and I-65 across the state is an awesome idea. Now there's an idea I can get behind!

It makes sense, but I like everyone else, like free, but this may be the only way to keep our roads non-shitty.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on December 17, 2015, 04:57:31 PM
I'd rather they increase the gas tax.  Wouldn't it cost quite a bit of money to convert all of the exits on 65/70 to toll plazas?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 17, 2015, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 17, 2015, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 17, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
QuoteRepublican bill would also call for a state study on the possibility of charging tolls on Interstates 65 and 70 across the entire state, which could generate $365 million a year, said House transportation committee Chairman Ed Soliday, R-Valparaiso.

Tolling I-70 and I-65 across the state is an awesome idea. Now there's an idea I can get behind!

It makes sense, but I like everyone else, like free, but this may be the only way to keep our roads non-shitty.

We both know from experience that some of the roads in Indiana are pretty bad.

From the Hammond area to Lebanon US 41 and US 52 would be a very reasonable alternative yo I-65. Also south of Indy to New Albany US 31 is the obvious free alternative.

(I'm 100% sure I-65 and 70 would remain toll free through Indianapolis.)

As for I-70, US 40 is 4 lanes across the state, except in some of the towns it runs through where it only has a center turn lane. So it a very reasonable alternative as well.

They should also consider adding tolls on I-64, 69, and 74 in certain places.

I'd rather them toll the interstates than raise the gas tax.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 17, 2015, 05:01:22 PM
I'd rather raise the gas tax

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 17, 2015, 05:05:59 PM
One problem with using tolls is that these facilities benefit the people of an entire region, not just the folks that drive over them.  This is why I favor a combination of more broadly assessed revenue sources rather than simply tolls alone.

It is a tricky nut to crack to make sure that everyone is paying according to the amount they benefit, and ultimately impossible to get exactly right, but some taxes do have their place in achieving this fairly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 17, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
I think tolling could do a lot of good

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 17, 2015, 07:30:34 PM
The problem with the gasoline tax is that not all future vehicles will be gasoline powered. As we have seen, the upper-class is all about purchasing electric vehicles - although the majority of electric vehicles for 2015 is being sold in China. The development of batteries (Tesla), hydrogen fuel cells (Toyota), and extended-range gasoline/batteries (General Motors) renders the gasoline tax more useless with each vehicle that is sold. Within the decade, gasoline will still be the dominant fuel but not the only fuel available. One state - which I can't remember off-hand, is proposing a mere $100 yearly tax for electric vehicles to offset the gasoline tax. That is not hardly enough considering that they also use the same roadways and weigh just as much - yet are vastly cleaner emissions wise. Trade off? Sure. It just won't work 10 years from now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on December 17, 2015, 08:12:55 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on December 17, 2015, 07:30:34 PM
The problem with the gasoline tax is that not all future vehicles will be gasoline powered. As we have seen, the upper-class is all about purchasing electric vehicles - although the majority of electric vehicles for 2015 is being sold in China. The development of batteries (Tesla), hydrogen fuel cells (Toyota), and extended-range gasoline/batteries (General Motors) renders the gasoline tax more useless with each vehicle that is sold. Within the decade, gasoline will still be the dominant fuel but not the only fuel available. One state - which I can't remember off-hand, is proposing a mere $100 yearly tax for electric vehicles to offset the gasoline tax. That is not hardly enough considering that they also use the same roadways and weigh just as much - yet are vastly cleaner emissions wise. Trade off? Sure. It just won't work 10 years from now.
So make an electricity tax when there are enough electric vehicles to cause an issue.  I don't expect that hybrids (or anything that runs on gas, for that matter) will stick around long after electric cars are ready and affordable for the masses.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 17, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
Did not Texas place a extra sales tax on auto parts that is dedicated to roads?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 17, 2015, 08:37:21 PM
While we're at it, why not just dedicate all the taxes to roads, and raise them all, because if it really is this hard of a debate to raise a tax, then raise them all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 17, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
Yeah, good luck with that. That's why we are in the pickle that we are with the federal gasoline tax being stagnant for so long.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 19, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
There's zero chance I-65/I-70 get tolled through the entire state.

Daniels couldn't even get most of I-69 built as a toll road because people got mad in SW Indiana.

Any service fee on cars needs to be all on autos, electric or not.  The state shouldn't be discouraging ownership of cars that use less/no gasoline.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 19, 2015, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: thefro on December 19, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
There's zero chance I-65/I-70 get tolled through the entire state.

Daniels couldn't even get most of I-69 built as a toll road because people got mad in SW Indiana.

Any service fee on cars needs to be all on autos, electric or not.  The state shouldn't be discouraging ownership of cars that use less/no gasoline.

Yes, but there's a tipping point where if a substantial portion of the fleet is using the roads but not contributing to their maintenance, something's gotta give.  With the purchase subsidies and lower cost of "fuel" it's hard to make a case that EV owners or potential owners are being "discouraged".  Other than a mileage tax, the easiest way to raise user fees across the board is to increase the annual vehicle registration cost.  At the point where there are few petroleum-fueled vehicles on the road, it is easy to envision an annual auto vehicle registration in the hundreds of dollars in the future just to keep each states' road fund solvent.  And the loss of federal MFT money by losing petroleum based taxes will be an interesting debate...will the feds keep patching the hole with funds from other sources, or will they slowly get out of the game?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM


http://www.courierpress.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-like-it-or-not-i-69-opens-up-links-26e2ec26-4fe5-59c8-e053-0100007f2552-362478941.html

A major piece of infrastructure improvement is opened that will greatly benefit Indiana and all communities along this route, and these local officials are still spitefully holding their collective grudges.  These officials still decided to show their true selves, their true pettiness, and not even attend the opening ceremony.  These people should be ashamed of themselves, especially for the years of how they derisively referred to their fellow state residents living south of them.  Frankly, I will make sure that every time I drive up to Indianapolis, I will not do any commerce with this town's businesses.  If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.

This is sick. You think "justice" is building an interstate that cuts off access to a major hospital on Fullerton Pike and medical complex on Tapp Toad?

How mature of you to punish a town's businesses because some of its residents had the audacity to oppose having a highway blasted through their city, a highway blasted through precious forest land and very environmentally sensitive karst terrain.

Evansville already had the highway infrastructure for I-69, Bloomington didn't, so nobody down south had homes destroyed, property taken, access roads cut off. The people of Monroe County actually care about the environment and many moved there to get away from the congestion an interstate brings. I am so very sorry if that dares challenge your worldview.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 20, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
The people of Monroe County actually care about the environment and many moved there to get away from the congestion an interstate brings. I am so very sorry if that dares challenge your worldview.

I hear the mantra all the time "I moved here for the PEACE and QUIET of the *COUNTRY* and now look at all of this blah blah blah blah blah".  My heart bleeds.  Did they not think that anyone else would follow them out to their areas AND these types often live waaaaay out and drive the biggest, thirstiest sooves on the market "Do as I say and not as I do".

I have ZERO sympathy for those types.

:meh:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 20, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
The people of Monroe County actually care about the environment and many moved there to get away from the congestion an interstate brings. I am so very sorry if that dares challenge your worldview.

I hear the mantra all the time "I moved here for the PEACE and QUIET of the *COUNTRY* and now look at all of this blah blah blah blah blah".  My heart bleeds.  Did they not think that anyone else would follow them out to their areas AND these types often live waaaaay out and drive the biggest, thirstiest sooves on the market "Do as I say and not as I do".

I have ZERO sympathy for those types.

:meh:

Mike

It isn't just the people in the country that opposed the road. Local officials are concerned about the impact of the interstate on roads like Fullerton and Tapp which are not equipped to handle traffic coming off an interstate. Fullerton is especially bad. The city and county government have limited funds to maintain and improve roads. The least the state could do is provide money to help local authorities upgrade roads with exits, beyond just the area where the exit is located.

What bothers greatly me are some people on here who think that Bloomington should be punished by building the interstate with limited, or in the case of one poster, NO exits through the city. What kind of juvenile, insane nonsense is that? people are allowed to have opposing viewpoints without fear of psychotic retribution.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 20, 2015, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM

This is sick. You think "justice" is building an interstate that cuts off access to a major hospital on Fullerton Pike and medical complex on Tapp Toad?


Exactly how is the hospital cut off if there is going to be an interchange at Fullerton Pike?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 20, 2015, 03:27:22 PM
It is a bit wrong to think about cutting off Bloomington from the interstate via exits, given the utter lack of services from the east side of Evansville along that interstate all the way up to Bloomington, any traveler is going to be happy to get off at B-Town to get something to eat or use the restroom. I drove the new highway for the first time yesterday and found myself getting off at 3rd Street to use the restroom. And while I would agree about this new highway cutting through forest and karst topography to the southwest of town, I don't buy the whole I-69 cutting through Bloomington argument, it's using the same divided highway as SR 37, it's the limitation of access, especially north of town that will make things a little harder for those living in that area and to me it is a legitimate complaint. On that note, how major of a hospital is Monroe Hospital, I always thought that Bloomington Hospital was basically "the" hospital in town.

As for Tapp and Fullerton, I would have thought that Bloomington wouldn't be in favor of widening because of the nature of the people in that area. I believe that town is more about alternative forms of transportation and developing the more mature parts of town in the center than building four lane boulevards around the south side of town. That sort of development also (to me) makes it harder to justify building up around the Fullerton and Tapp exits to keep commercial development concentrated north near 2nd and 3rd Streets. That also explains why there were no exits between 37 and 445.

In addition, I would agree that the southwestern quadrant of the county is actually the least development, making it nice for people to move away from it all, so a new four-lane freeway through there I could see the disruption. Still, connecting Bloomington to Evansville and in the future Indy via a new freeway to me makes sense.

As for Section 4, very neat highway to drive on and a decent amount of traffic even for Saturday morning. It is a bit weird to see no control cities for Exits 98 and 104 but I would see why there was no need as there really isn't much along that corridor from Bloomington to US 231. Maybe a mention of Bloomfield for traffic from SB 69 to 445 and perhaps another sign for the Crane NSA by Exit 98 for those who use SR 45 to get to Crane via the eastern entrance. Otherwise, not much in terms of settlements.

I do wish they did have the mileage signs, they eventually got around to adding county line signs for Sections 1-3 and are so immersed in adding signs for not spraying salt or something like that, but telling people the distance to communities along the highway would bring I-69 up to a standard that the rest of Indiana's freeways hold. Southbound mileage signs should have no problem since the distance to Evansville is basically set. I could see the reluctance for northbound signs due to the uncertainty of Section 6's route. That said, if we can lead the BGSs at the exits blank for I-69 north, they can leave the bottom line of a typical three-control mileage sign empty until they can get the exact distance to Indianapolis, or make the bottom line Bloomington for most of the signs with Indy only mentioned once or twice north of Evansville.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on December 20, 2015, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM

This is sick. You think "justice" is building an interstate that cuts off access to a major hospital on Fullerton Pike and medical complex on Tapp Toad?


Exactly how is the hospital cut off if there is going to be an interchange at Fullerton Pike?

The poster I quoted said justice would be not building any interchanges that weren't already on 37. There is no interchange at Fullerton or Tapp.

Also, it is much more than a bit wrong to cut off access to the interstate just to spite those opposed it. It is insane. Any governmental agency that would act that way is guilty of criminal recklessness and endangerment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on December 20, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.
This is sick. ...

Sick? Really? Howabout just "frustrated?"

See, the problem with using words like "sick" to describe something that clearly isn't sick is that it drains words like that of their meaning. Then when you encounter something that is truly sick, you either have nothing to use to accurately describe it or you need to resort to higher levels of exaggerated language, draining those words of their meaning.

Just call EngineerTM guilty of hyperbole (without the attack on his psyche) and we'll all ignore your hyperbole as well. Deal?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lordsutch on December 20, 2015, 08:04:09 PM
I think the frustrating thing about (some people in) Bloomington's attitude to me is that regardless of whether I-69 came through or not, it was going to grow and attract development because it's an appealing location. SR 37 to Indianapolis was eventually going to need to be upgraded to a freeway regardless.

So all the arguments about I-69 from that perspective boiled down to "people in southwest Indiana don't deserve better access to Bloomington and IU" because Bloomington was going to get a better SR 37 to Indy eventually no matter what happened with I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 08:48:31 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM


http://www.courierpress.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-like-it-or-not-i-69-opens-up-links-26e2ec26-4fe5-59c8-e053-0100007f2552-362478941.html

A major piece of infrastructure improvement is opened that will greatly benefit Indiana and all communities along this route, and these local officials are still spitefully holding their collective grudges.  These officials still decided to show their true selves, their true pettiness, and not even attend the opening ceremony.  These people should be ashamed of themselves, especially for the years of how they derisively referred to their fellow state residents living south of them.  Frankly, I will make sure that every time I drive up to Indianapolis, I will not do any commerce with this town's businesses.  If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.

This is sick. You think "justice" is building an interstate that cuts off access to a major hospital on Fullerton Pike and medical complex on Tapp Toad?

How mature of you to punish a town's businesses because some of its residents had the audacity to oppose having a highway blasted through their city, a highway blasted through precious forest land and very environmentally sensitive karst terrain.

Evansville already had the highway infrastructure for I-69, Bloomington didn't, so nobody down south had homes destroyed, property taken, access roads cut off. The people of Monroe County actually care about the environment and many moved there to get away from the congestion an interstate brings. I am so very sorry if that dares challenge your worldview.

not only will there be an exit at fullerton pike, there will be a connection to gordon pike built soon, so that point is moot.  Also the highway did little to no damage to the city along 37, the part splitting off did, but again as I said, people of your opinion lost, get over it, move on. It sucks that people lost their property, but this was needed to get this project done, all other routes made no sense at all.  also the idea of removing all exits in bloomington was a joke and nothing more.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 08:54:25 AM
I suggest people who are against development work with zoning laws to prevent it, rather than continuing to bitch about this already built highway.  continuing to complain about this isn't helpful.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike

Is there really any need for more interchanges ever in that area?  Also, how much extra development will actually happen?  I think this claim is overstated, look at all of the reasonably sized cities near interstates in the state, development didn't exactly explode, making a huge sprawling city.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 21, 2015, 02:09:46 PM
Not putting an interchange at Tapp or Fullerton would have been a disaster. It's already hard enough getting from the west part of town to the east side. Connecting Fullerton and Gordon Pike will definitely help.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 21, 2015, 05:48:17 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike

Is there really any need for more interchanges ever in that area?  Also, how much extra development will actually happen?  I think this claim is overstated, look at all of the reasonably sized cities near interstates in the state, development didn't exactly explode, making a huge sprawling city.   

Didn't Evansville's east side kind of explode once 164 and the Lloyd went in?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 06:02:47 PM
Bloomington's street grid is weird on the south side, roads change names 3, sometimes 4 times on the same alignment.

Nexus 9

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 21, 2015, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 21, 2015, 05:48:17 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike

Is there really any need for more interchanges ever in that area?  Also, how much extra development will actually happen?  I think this claim is overstated, look at all of the reasonably sized cities near interstates in the state, development didn't exactly explode, making a huge sprawling city.   

Didn't Evansville's east side kind of explode once 164 and the Lloyd went in?

Yes. And it continues to grow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 22, 2015, 03:00:18 AM
Burkhart is nearly built out up to Lynch and is being "boulevardized" north of there, and now the office parks are filling the final frontier along the new Cross Pointe Blvd. 

I didn't know this area before that wave started, but I'm told even North Green River was a backwater before those major roads were developed. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 22, 2015, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 22, 2015, 03:00:18 AM
Burkhart is nearly built out up to Lynch and is being "boulevardized" north of there, and now the office parks are filling the final frontier along the new Cross Pointe Blvd. 

I didn't know this area before that wave started, but I'm told even North Green River was a backwater before those major roads were developed.

That's absolutely true. I can remember when planning to widen the first part of Green River north of Morgan to 5 lanes started, and INDOT widened Morgan Avenue as well. There wasn't much need for it at that time, because there was almost nothing north of Morgan, and indeed very little east of Green River. That's all changed.

The road infrastructure out that way really is primed for more development - and in any case, as you note, that's where the available land is now anyway.  There was a push to put the coming IU Medical School Evansville campus out there, but it's going downtown by the Ford Center instead.  Some felt that was a disappointment, but others may well see it as an opportunity.  I have a feeling that, if the economy does well in '16, there should be some news out there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on December 22, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
Kind of back to the subject: my daughter made the drive yesterday from Evansville to South Bend and had high praise for the newly-opened section of I-69. Her phone GPS didn't know about it though, and kept telling her to turn on every crossroad, even if that was impossible.  :biggrin:

She made the E-ville/SB trip in less than 5 hours, certainly a record.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 22, 2015, 01:23:36 PM
There have been some new problems though. (http://fox59.com/2015/12/21/state-police-very-aggressively-looking-for-drug-traffickers-on-new-stretch-of-i-69/)

(this feels untrustworthy - FOX News, dated 12/21/15)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on December 22, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
^^
QuoteThe trooper, suspecting something was not right, called in a fellow trooper with a K9 officer.

That trooper better come up with a better reason for the stop than that, if he hopes to get a conviction.

The fears of the anti-freeway crowd in Bloomington have already come to fruition. It's making it easy for the drug dealers to ruin their bucolic town.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: theline on December 22, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
^^
QuoteThe trooper, suspecting something was not right, called in a fellow trooper with a K9 officer.

That trooper better come up with a better reason for the stop than that, if he hopes to get a conviction.

The fears of the anti-freeway crowd in Bloomington have already come to fruition. It's making it easy for the drug dealers to ruin their bucolic town.  :bigass:

Just wait until all of I-69 is completed from Bloomington to Mexico. There will be so many drugs in Bloomington that the town might actually turn pro I-69.   :hyper:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 22, 2015, 03:38:34 PM

Quote from: theline on December 22, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
Kind of back to the subject: my daughter made the drive yesterday from Evansville to South Bend and had high praise for the newly-opened section of I-69. Her phone GPS didn't know about it though, and kept telling her to turn on every crossroad, even if that was impossible.  :biggrin:

I had this experience when the first leg opened.  I have some funny screen shots of proceeding along an empty space on the map.

Quote from: theline on December 22, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
The fears of the anti-freeway crowd in Bloomington have already come to fruition. It's making it easy for the drug dealers to ruin their bucolic town.  :bigass:

Based on the people I've known in Bloomington, they'll be welcoming the drug dealers with open arms.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: qguy on December 20, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.
This is sick. ...

Sick? Really? Howabout just "frustrated?"

See, the problem with using words like "sick" to describe something that clearly isn't sick is that it drains words like that of their meaning. Then when you encounter something that is truly sick, you either have nothing to use to accurately describe it or you need to resort to higher levels of exaggerated language, draining those words of their meaning.

Just call EngineerTM guilty of hyperbole (without the attack on his psyche) and we'll all ignore your hyperbole as well. Deal?

Do you know for a fact that it was just hyperbole? Either way it is reckless and uncalled for. The consequences of cutting off Fullerton and Tapp would be devastating.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike

The roads in SW Monroe County couldn't handle the traffic an interstate interchange would bring. They would need to be completely rebuilt first.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 08:48:31 AM


not only will there be an exit at fullerton pike, there will be a connection to gordon pike built soon, so that point is moot.  Also the highway did little to no damage to the city along 37, the part splitting off did, but again as I said, people of your opinion lost, get over it, move on. It sucks that people lost their property, but this was needed to get this project done, all other routes made no sense at all.  also the idea of removing all exits in bloomington was a joke and nothing more.

The county has no funding to complete the Fullerton Pike corridor, just a small federal grant to upgrade part of the existing route between Walnut and Henderson. As a result, there will be a period of several years, if not more, where interstate traffic dumps on to Fullerton which dead ends at Rockport. These roads are not meant to handle much traffic and are not well maintained. This is a reality the highway cheerleaders don't discuss, preferring pie in the sky predictions of jobs and economic growth.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 22, 2015, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 08:48:31 AM


not only will there be an exit at fullerton pike, there will be a connection to gordon pike built soon, so that point is moot.  Also the highway did little to no damage to the city along 37, the part splitting off did, but again as I said, people of your opinion lost, get over it, move on. It sucks that people lost their property, but this was needed to get this project done, all other routes made no sense at all.  also the idea of removing all exits in bloomington was a joke and nothing more.

The county has no funding to complete the Fullerton Pike corridor, just a small federal grant to upgrade part of the existing route between Walnut and Henderson. As a result, there will be a period of several years, if not more, where interstate traffic dumps on to Fullerton which dead ends at Rockport. These roads are not meant to handle much traffic and are not well maintained. This is a reality the highway cheerleaders don't discuss, preferring pie in the sky predictions of jobs and economic growth.
You say that like the entire interstate's traffic will dump off there, if people want to go further east they'll use the exits north of Fullerton. We all know the jobs aspect usually ends up being bullshit.
The state should have paid to fill the gap. They've done similar things along 31 in Hamilton county.
Nexus 6P
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 22, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 08:48:31 AM


not only will there be an exit at fullerton pike, there will be a connection to gordon pike built soon, so that point is moot.  Also the highway did little to no damage to the city along 37, the part splitting off did, but again as I said, people of your opinion lost, get over it, move on. It sucks that people lost their property, but this was needed to get this project done, all other routes made no sense at all.  also the idea of removing all exits in bloomington was a joke and nothing more.

The county has no funding to complete the Fullerton Pike corridor, just a small federal grant to upgrade part of the existing route between Walnut and Henderson. As a result, there will be a period of several years, if not more, where interstate traffic dumps on to Fullerton which dead ends at Rockport. These roads are not meant to handle much traffic and are not well maintained. This is a reality the highway cheerleaders don't discuss, preferring pie in the sky predictions of jobs and economic growth.

How is that different than the rest of the state? It has taken years or tens of years in some cases for roads to be properly improved beyond interchanges on both new and old freeways in Indiana. It is up to the local governments to plan for and prioritize such improvements - that includes lining up federal or state funding. If you look at the new US 31 in Hamilton County, roads were only improved in close proximity to the new interchanges. In Kokomo and South Bend, such improvements in comparable situations happened after the freeway was completed. For example, Touby Pike (starting in 2016) and Kern Road (completed this year).

In my opinion, Bloomigton was a nightmare to drive through, and the state has done an excellent job there in the last five years.

As far as the extension/improvement of Fullerton Pike taking several years, the MPO decides how to prioritize projects. The "several years if not more" statement may or may not be true. That was the claim to try to stop I-69 from being built in Bloomington due to no immediate plans for construction north of Bloomington. The state was serious so it happened faster than anyone believed. Likewise, if the county or city want to improve Fullerton Pike, they will make it happen.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 21, 2015, 05:48:17 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike

Is there really any need for more interchanges ever in that area?  Also, how much extra development will actually happen?  I think this claim is overstated, look at all of the reasonably sized cities near interstates in the state, development didn't exactly explode, making a huge sprawling city.   

Didn't Evansville's east side kind of explode once 164 and the Lloyd went in?

It happens a lot. Consider what all of these areas were like 15-25 years ago (i.e. look at old maps):
- I-65 and US 30 in Merrillville/Hobart - tons of commercial growth
- I-65 and SR 26 in Lafayette
- I-65 and County Line Rd. in Indy/Greenwood
- I-65 and US 31 in Edinburgh
- I-65 and old SR 131 in Clarksville - Bass Pro and other development
- I-94 and SR 249 in Portage - Bass Pro and other development
- I-94 and SR 49 - Chesterton used to be a sleepy little town
- I-69 and SR 1 in Fort Wayne
- I-69 and SR 3 Fort Wayne
- I-69 and Illinois St. in Fort Wayne
- I-69 and Jefferson (Fort Wayne)
- I-69 and SR 22 in Gas City - nothing like the big cities, but a good amount of commercial and industrial growth
- I-69 and Campus Pkwy in Noblesville
- I-69 and 116th St. in Fishers
- I-69 and 96th St in Indy/Fishers
- I-70 and US 41 in Terre Haute
- I-70 and SR 267 in Plainfield
- I-70 and SR 9  in Greenfield
- I-469 and SR 37 in Fort Wayne
- I-465 at several interchanges on the west and north legs
...and others.

Major automotive facilities were built at - I-74 at US 421 in Greensburg (Honda), I-65 at SR 38 in Lafayette, and I-69 at I-469 in Fort Wayne.

Significant development can certainly happen at key interchanges. In Bloomington, I would say the best potential would be at the SR 46 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 23, 2015, 01:06:50 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
The county has no funding to complete the Fullerton Pike corridor, just a small federal grant to upgrade part of the existing route between Walnut and Henderson. As a result, there will be a period of several years, if not more, where interstate traffic dumps on to Fullerton which dead ends at Rockport. These roads are not meant to handle much traffic and are not well maintained. This is a reality the highway cheerleaders don't discuss, preferring pie in the sky predictions of jobs and economic growth.

Looking at Street View of the neighborhood around Fullerton, there seems to be little to draw a substantial amount off of SR37/I-69 at present, it looks like it is used now for local access for those it will be convenient to, and little else.  Wonder what the current traffic counts are?  It does look like a route that could be improved and would be a good route for southern east-west major collector or arterial access if widened and connected to Gordon Pike...depending on what the ultimate local/regional planning priority is, and how fast it is desired to happen.  Leaving roads the way they are, considering how the SR 37 connection is already there, might not result in too much land use change in the near future, nor much different traffic counts.  Without good connectivity to the rest of the city, any business that developed at the Fullerton interchange might be mostly an "off-exit, on-exit" type of draw.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 23, 2015, 08:19:08 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 22, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 08:48:31 AM


not only will there be an exit at fullerton pike, there will be a connection to gordon pike built soon, so that point is moot.  Also the highway did little to no damage to the city along 37, the part splitting off did, but again as I said, people of your opinion lost, get over it, move on. It sucks that people lost their property, but this was needed to get this project done, all other routes made no sense at all.  also the idea of removing all exits in bloomington was a joke and nothing more.

The county has no funding to complete the Fullerton Pike corridor, just a small federal grant to upgrade part of the existing route between Walnut and Henderson. As a result, there will be a period of several years, if not more, where interstate traffic dumps on to Fullerton which dead ends at Rockport. These roads are not meant to handle much traffic and are not well maintained. This is a reality the highway cheerleaders don't discuss, preferring pie in the sky predictions of jobs and economic growth.

How is that different than the rest of the state? It has taken years or tens of years in some cases for roads to be properly improved beyond interchanges on both new and old freeways in Indiana. It is up to the local governments to plan for and prioritize such improvements - that includes lining up federal or state funding. If you look at the new US 31 in Hamilton County, roads were only improved in close proximity to the new interchanges. In Kokomo and South Bend, such improvements in comparable situations happened after the freeway was completed. For example, Touby Pike (starting in 2016) and Kern Road (completed this year).

In my opinion, Bloomigton was a nightmare to drive through, and the state has done an excellent job there in the last five years.

As far as the extension/improvement of Fullerton Pike taking several years, the MPO decides how to prioritize projects. The "several years if not more" statement may or may not be true. That was the claim to try to stop I-69 from being built in Bloomington due to no immediate plans for construction north of Bloomington. The state was serious so it happened faster than anyone believed. Likewise, if the county or city want to improve Fullerton Pike, they will make it happen.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 21, 2015, 05:48:17 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 21, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
IMHO, the intentional dearth of interchanges (no access) on that newest part of I-69 SW of Bloomington is in itself the most effective measure of all for preventing what I call 'premature development'.  Zoning laws will ultimately fail due to market pressure.

Mike

Is there really any need for more interchanges ever in that area?  Also, how much extra development will actually happen?  I think this claim is overstated, look at all of the reasonably sized cities near interstates in the state, development didn't exactly explode, making a huge sprawling city.   

Didn't Evansville's east side kind of explode once 164 and the Lloyd went in?

It happens a lot. Consider what all of these areas were like 15-25 years ago (i.e. look at old maps):
- I-65 and US 30 in Merrillville/Hobart - tons of commercial growth
- I-65 and SR 26 in Lafayette
- I-65 and County Line Rd. in Indy/Greenwood
- I-65 and US 31 in Edinburgh
- I-65 and old SR 131 in Clarksville - Bass Pro and other development
- I-94 and SR 249 in Portage - Bass Pro and other development
- I-94 and SR 49 - Chesterton used to be a sleepy little town
- I-69 and SR 1 in Fort Wayne
- I-69 and SR 3 Fort Wayne
- I-69 and Illinois St. in Fort Wayne
- I-69 and Jefferson (Fort Wayne)
- I-69 and SR 22 in Gas City - nothing like the big cities, but a good amount of commercial and industrial growth
- I-69 and Campus Pkwy in Noblesville
- I-69 and 116th St. in Fishers
- I-69 and 96th St in Indy/Fishers
- I-70 and US 41 in Terre Haute
- I-70 and SR 267 in Plainfield
- I-70 and SR 9  in Greenfield
- I-469 and SR 37 in Fort Wayne
- I-465 at several interchanges on the west and north legs
...and others.

Major automotive facilities were built at - I-74 at US 421 in Greensburg (Honda), I-65 at SR 38 in Lafayette, and I-69 at I-469 in Fort Wayne.

Significant development can certainly happen at key interchanges. In Bloomington, I would say the best potential would be at the SR 46 interchange.

And I don't think any of the cities you listed would be angry about the growth, sure it's sprawl, but it helps a lot of people.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 23, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
I think people forget that the current route of SR 37 isn't fully developed yet (remember, it's a bypass of the original route through Bloomington on Walnut street).  You've already seen the city sprawl out towards that highway, but there's still a good amount of land that can be developed that would be close to future I-69.

An exit at Harmony Road or Rockport Road several miles SW of the city would just get a gas station at best.  There's other more desirable land for people to build factories, commercial strips, or housing developments which is closer to the actual city and Indiana University and still has access to I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 23, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: qguy on December 20, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.
This is sick. ...

Sick? Really? Howabout just "frustrated?"

See, the problem with using words like "sick" to describe something that clearly isn't sick is that it drains words like that of their meaning. Then when you encounter something that is truly sick, you either have nothing to use to accurately describe it or you need to resort to higher levels of exaggerated language, draining those words of their meaning.

Just call EngineerTM guilty of hyperbole (without the attack on his psyche) and we'll all ignore your hyperbole as well. Deal?

Do you know for a fact that it was just hyperbole? Either way it is reckless and uncalled for. The consequences of cutting off Fullerton and Tapp would be devastating.

Reckless and uncalled for?  As opposed to the venom that was directed to the citizens of SW Indiana by the activists in Bloomington telling us that we didn't matter, who carelessly dismissed our concerns regarding our children driving on these winding and substandard rural roads to attend IU for classes should instead stay in our corner of the State (that we were not welcomed), that SW Indiana would be better off leaving and becoming part of Illinois or Kentucky?  Was any of that reckless and uncalled for?  All of these "reckless and uncalled" for comments are in the records of the development of both the DEIS, FEIS, and RODs for all phases of this project (which are available on INDOT's I-69 website for those wishing to read them).  What about the reckless and uncalled for accusations directed towards the transportation professionals and environmental scientists who worked on these plans: many I-69 opponents called them liars and deceivers who were purposely presenting fraudulent and dishonest studies to push their "pet project" of this interstate.  Perhaps you should first look in the mirror.

My statement was simply an expression of frustration and disappointment that many of the elected officials in Bloomington and Monroe County, on the day that this new section was opened, still can't get over these past actions.  However, as a professional engineer who has worked with both INDOT and other local municipalities on infrastructure projects, I would never advocate any design that would deliberately seek to punish people.  It is part of our Code of Ethics which I take seriously on all of my engineering projects.

As for the "devastating consequences" of cutting off Tapp and Fullerton: all of the alternatives studied called for an interchange at Fullerton Pike.  However, not all of them called for one at Tapp Road.  But, because of the thoroughness of the studies and taking into account constructive public input, an alternative that included both interchanges was selected based on the merits of the facts.  See?  The process can work, and it is one that I respect.

The accusations of fraud and dishonestly by the more unreasonable opponents of I-69 notwithstanding, the Tier 1 and Tier 2 studies worked as they were supposed to.  Facts and data were collected and all reasonable alternatives were thoroughly studied by experienced professionals.  The public had ample opportunities to be involved in the process and voice their concerns.  All public comments received were responded to in a professional manner.  Finally, the entire process was overseen by the federal regulatory agencies responsible and everything was done in full compliance of the law.  In fact, INDOT received praise for their thoroughness and transparency for the manner in which the Tier 1 and Tier 2 studies were done.  Reasonable people recognize this.

I accept that there are many in Bloomington who will never accept any of this.  To those people, there really isn't much more that I can say to them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on December 23, 2015, 09:29:11 AM
So much drama!  Any update on Section 5?  :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 23, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on December 23, 2015, 09:29:11 AM
So much drama!  Any update on Section 5?  :D

I drove through that area about a month ago, before Section 4 was opened.  The contractor is making a lot of progress on Section 5.  The NB SR 37 traffic at the southern limits of Section 5 had been relocated back to the northbound lanes, but only one lane in each direction was opened at the southern end.  As I drove through Section 5, this is what I saw:

The Rockport Road overpass bridge was done and opened to traffic.  In addition, the contractor had placed a large amount of the concrete barrier walls between the NB and SB lanes.  The interstate is going to have 3 through lanes in each direction within Bloomington's limits.

Work on the Fullerton Pike Interchange/overpass bridge had started - the bridge pier in the center of the road was under construction.

The Vernal Pike overpass bridge was well under construction.  The center pier was done and work was underway on the end abutments.

The Kinser Pike overpass bridge was even further along.  The bridge piers and abutments were build, the beams were in place, and it appeared that they were getting ready to pour the bridge deck in the very near future (it may have been done; it was not easy to see from below).

Earthwork was underway at the future Sample Road Interchange.

In addition, it was evident that sections of the roadway had been repaved.

You can also go to the contractor's website at http://www.i69section5.org/ for the construction schedule, maps, and newsletter updates.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 23, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 23, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: qguy on December 20, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.
This is sick. ...

Sick? Really? Howabout just "frustrated?"

See, the problem with using words like "sick" to describe something that clearly isn't sick is that it drains words like that of their meaning. Then when you encounter something that is truly sick, you either have nothing to use to accurately describe it or you need to resort to higher levels of exaggerated language, draining those words of their meaning.

Just call EngineerTM guilty of hyperbole (without the attack on his psyche) and we'll all ignore your hyperbole as well. Deal?

Do you know for a fact that it was just hyperbole? Either way it is reckless and uncalled for. The consequences of cutting off Fullerton and Tapp would be devastating.

Reckless and uncalled for?  As opposed to the venom that was directed to the citizens of SW Indiana by the activists in Bloomington telling us that we didn't matter, who carelessly dismissed our concerns regarding our children driving on these winding and substandard rural roads to attend IU for classes should instead stay in our corner of the State (that we were not welcomed), that SW Indiana would be better off leaving and becoming part of Illinois or Kentucky?  Was any of that reckless and uncalled for?  All of these "reckless and uncalled" for comments are in the records of the development of both the DEIS, FEIS, and RODs for all phases of this project (which are available on INDOT's I-69 website for those wishing to read them).  What about the reckless and uncalled for accusations directed towards the transportation professionals and environmental scientists who worked on these plans: many I-69 opponents called them liars and deceivers who were purposely presenting fraudulent and dishonest studies to push their "pet project" of this interstate.  Perhaps you should first look in the mirror.

My statement was simply an expression of frustration and disappointment that many of the elected officials in Bloomington and Monroe County, on the day that this new section was opened, still can't get over these past actions.  However, as a professional engineer who has worked with both INDOT and other local municipalities on infrastructure projects, I would never advocate any design that would deliberately seek to punish people.  It is part of our Code of Ethics which I take seriously on all of my engineering projects.

As for the "devastating consequences" of cutting off Tapp and Fullerton: all of the alternatives studied called for an interchange at Fullerton Pike.  However, not all of them called for one at Tapp Road.  But, because of the thoroughness of the studies and taking into account constructive public input, an alternative that included both interchanges was selected based on the merits of the facts.  See?  The process can work, and it is one that I respect.

The accusations of fraud and dishonestly by the more unreasonable opponents of I-69 notwithstanding, the Tier 1 and Tier 2 studies worked as they were supposed to.  Facts and data were collected and all reasonable alternatives were thoroughly studied by experienced professionals.  The public had ample opportunities to be involved in the process and voice their concerns.  All public comments received were responded to in a professional manner.  Finally, the entire process was overseen by the federal regulatory agencies responsible and everything was done in full compliance of the law.  In fact, INDOT received praise for their thoroughness and transparency for the manner in which the Tier 1 and Tier 2 studies were done.  Reasonable people recognize this.

I accept that there are many in Bloomington who will never accept any of this.  To those people, there really isn't much more that I can say to them.

lol
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 23, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
I have been in public meetings where adults really descend into infantilism in how they verbally abuse their neighbors and other people in general.  Activism is the backbone of a healthy democracy, and you should pursue your agenda as far as you're committed to it, but if you can't do it civilly, you don't deserve to get anything.

The worst is when a cause held by reasonable people is corrupted by people who stoop to insult and thuggery.  Come on, people–someday your little issue is going to get resolved one way or another and you're still all going to have to find a way to tolerate living with one another there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 23, 2015, 09:08:38 PM
The Bloomington/Monroe County MPO does plan to build a "southern bypass" of the city utilizing Fullerton Pike/Rhorer Road and Sare Road. They currently have acquired less than 10% of the needed funds. The city now also needs new funds to upgrade 17th Street west of the Arlington Road split because Vernal Pike east of 37 will be cut off, leaving 17th as the only way across the interstate for that part of the city.

As for other local roads around the state not being equipped to handle interchange traffic, that is different. The U.S. 31 projects simply upgraded an existing road, they did not involve building an interstate bringing in significant new traffic from a new direction and different part of the state. The US 31 upgrades didn't bring more traffic into the regions it serves, rather allowed existing traffic to flow more quickly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 24, 2015, 07:03:38 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 23, 2015, 09:08:38 PM
The Bloomington/Monroe County MPO does plan to build a "southern bypass" of the city utilizing Fullerton Pike/Rhorer Road and Sare Road. They currently have acquired less than 10% of the needed funds. The city now also needs new funds to upgrade 17th Street west of the Arlington Road split because Vernal Pike east of 37 will be cut off, leaving 17th as the only way across the interstate for that part of the city.

As for other local roads around the state not being equipped to handle interchange traffic, that is different. The U.S. 31 projects simply upgraded an existing road, they did not involve building an interstate bringing in significant new traffic from a new direction and different part of the state. The US 31 upgrades didn't bring more traffic into the regions it serves, rather allowed existing traffic to flow more quickly.

I agree I-69 will be a significant corridor eventually, but I very seriously doubt that I-69 from Evansville to Bloomington has yet brought in significant new traffic. First, even though the traffic volume on section 3 was higher than before, it did not have that much traffic when I drove it a couple of weeks ago. Secondly, the majority of the current I-69 section 4 and 5 traffic would have used SR 45 or SR 37 anyway. I am sure some traffic increase would be from those who previously would have used US 41 to I-70, but the significant increase in traffic will not occur until I-69 is completed further south (at least the Ohio River bridge) and into Indy. I don't get why any of the eventual new traffic will use Bloomington roads unless Bloomington was their destination in the first place.

I am certain the US 31 freeway upgrades made the route a viable alternative to I-69 or even I-75 for some southbound travelers from Michigan. This is similar to the US 24 Fort to Port freeway upgrade drawing traffic that previously used I-94 to I-69. That essentially built a new parallel route to the old, dangerous US 24, but that highway is now significantly busier than the old US 24 was. Both these examples are supported by new Loves Travel Centers on both. That alone may be an unscientific gauge, but when we see any new services being built on the new part of I-69 (sections 1-5), we will have evidence that the market recognizes the current significance of the new road as a major corridor.

So in summary, I would maintain that Bloomington and Evansville are not alone in picking up new traffic from the new highway construction in Indiana.

To your first point, every city struggles to get all of the funding for roads they want. If I remember right, Bloomington listed quite a number of projects in their plan so maybe the bypass is less important than some other things. I would maintain that Lafayette/West Lafayette are in worse shape than Bloomington. As congested as Bloomington may be near College Mall, getting across Lafayette is a much more difficult challenge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on December 24, 2015, 07:39:00 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 24, 2015, 07:03:38 AM
I would maintain that Lafayette/West Lafayette are in worse shape than Bloomington. As congested as Bloomington may be near College Mall, getting across Lafayette is a much more difficult challenge.

You must be a Purdue fan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 24, 2015, 09:16:51 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 24, 2015, 07:39:00 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 24, 2015, 07:03:38 AM
I would maintain that Lafayette/West Lafayette are in worse shape than Bloomington. As congested as Bloomington may be near College Mall, getting across Lafayette is a much more difficult challenge.

You must be a Purdue fan.

Even with the I-69 upgrade work, Bloomington is easier to drive than Lafayette. No need to be a Purdue fan to state the obvious (although I am one!).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 24, 2015, 06:53:13 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 24, 2015, 07:03:38 AM
...when we see any new services being built on the new part of I-69 (sections 1-5), we will have evidence that the market recognizes the current significance of the new road as a major corridor.

I-39 in Illinois is a somewhat similar corridor.  The stretches between Rockford and I-80, and I-80 to I-55, were in place for a good spell before anything substantial showed up in the corridor.  First there was a truck stop in Rochelle, then a little activity in Mendota, Oglesby and El Paso, then Wenona, then Minonk.  There are still several exits with no services in the immediate vicinity, more than 20 years after the link was completed.  The stretch between Oglesby and Rockford is especially barren, even with somewhat heavy through traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 24, 2015, 10:08:58 PM
We finally got to try out the new stretch of 69 from Crane to Bloomington this afternoon.  What a great drive!  Some of the views are just amazing.

Even with a 15 minute pit stop along the way (we exited at 445 and stopped at that hole-in-the-hill little Phillips 66 station on 45 - a family tradition of sorts), we made it from the Covert Ave. exit in Evansville to 37 in an hour and 45 minutes.  Can't beat that.  :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on December 24, 2015, 10:15:53 PM
How's I-69 holding up north of Morgan County?

On another unrelated note, why couldn't they have built I-69 through Indianapolis? There was adequate right of way and INDOT built a small section for it to hook up with I-65 (which it never will).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on December 25, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: qguy on December 20, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 20, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 16, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
If there had been any justice, Section 5 would have been built without adding any additional interchanges than what was already present on SR 37.
This is sick. …

Sick? Really? Howabout just "frustrated?"

See, the problem with using words like "sick" to describe something that clearly isn't sick is that it drains words like that of their meaning. Then when you encounter something that is truly sick, you either have nothing to use to accurately describe it or you need to resort to higher levels of exaggerated language, draining those words of their meaning.

Just call EngineerTM guilty of hyperbole (without the attack on his psyche) and we'll all ignore your hyperbole as well. Deal?

Do you know for a fact that it was just hyperbole? Either way it is reckless and uncalled for. The consequences of cutting off Fullerton and Tapp would be devastating.

Yes, I think we can all safely say for a fact that calling EngineerTM's words "sick" is hyperbole.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 23, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
I have been in public meetings where adults really descend into infantilism in how they verbally abuse their neighbors and other people in general.  Activism is the backbone of a healthy democracy, and you should pursue your agenda as far as you're committed to it, but if you can't do it civilly, you don't deserve to get anything.

The worst is when a cause held by reasonable people is corrupted by people who stoop to insult and thuggery.  Come on, people—someday your little issue is going to get resolved one way or another and you're still all going to have to find a way to tolerate living with one another there.

I saw this all the time when I worked for PennDOT. I'd attend public meetings for projects in my own district which I had a hand in and projects in other districts which I was simply interested in. Even when people weren't using superheated language to attribute the vilest of intentions and motives to other people, they would use extreme, loaded language to express themselves as a matter of course. It's as if people don't know how to express themselves in plain language anymore without resorting to drawing verbal knives at the word go.

For example, someone would get up at a meeting and instead of saying something like, "I think it's clear that the proposed roadway [or whatever] would increase traffic," they would say something like, "The proposed roadway would destroy heaven and Earth and all that is sacred. You people are evil; you want to ruin our health and kill our children. You sit in your offices and plot how you can destroy my way of life." Yes, I've heard just that and yes, that's a mild example.

(hoosierguy: To be clear, I'm not saying you've done this or would. I'm just including both sets of quoted posts in order to avoid double-posting.)
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 25, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
There's poor education on what the public process exists to do and how.  Public hearings have become the Internet of public life, a soapbox where people lose their restraint, their sense of decorum, and any rhetorical discipline. 

The result is too often a game where the goal is to get the most people on your side to say the same thing and do it in the loudest way. 

I have often felt for the long-suffering people that run public hearings.  Sometimes it feels like there needs to be a courtroom and a judge and bailiff to maintain order and pertinence. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 25, 2015, 10:51:46 PM
Speaking of Public Hearings and Going thru town.

Section 6. Anyone notice on one of the videos that INDOT posted recently at the end it said "Next stop, 465" or the like. It may have been the drone video.

Now some of the alternatives still on the table involve going towards I70 west of the Airport. If they do that, I would imagine I69 would be signed along I70 thru town to the eastside 465/70 junction.

HOWEVER, I think INDOT may have tipped it's hand. Personally I think all the alternatives to a 37 upgrade to Harding street are smoke and mirrors and INDOT is just going to pick the original plan. I can't see them doing anything else.............

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on December 26, 2015, 01:10:50 AM
I think that's what they will end up doing eventually. We just have to wait it out I guess.


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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on December 26, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
Quote from: Moose on December 25, 2015, 10:51:46 PM

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Not trying to be snarky at all, but is that That Road that is intersecting with IN 37/Future I-69 in the distance in that pic? And, how will it access I-69 when that at-grade is eliminated?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on December 26, 2015, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on December 26, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
Not trying to be snarky at all, but is that That Road that is intersecting with IN 37/Future I-69 in the distance in that pic? And, how will it access I-69 when that at-grade is eliminated?

Yes That Road still connects to Northbound SR 37. That Road will eventually connect to Rockport Road. All traffic that wishes to use That Road in the future will have to access it via the Fullerton Pike Interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on December 26, 2015, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 26, 2015, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on December 26, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
Not trying to be snarky at all, but is that That Road that is intersecting with IN 37/Future I-69 in the distance in that pic? And, how will it access I-69 when that at-grade is eliminated?

Yes That Road still connects to Northbound SR 37. That Road will eventually connect to Rockport Road. All traffic that wishes to use That Road in the future will have to access it via the Fullerton Pike Interchange.
That Road and Rockport are already connected. It looks like the at grade intersection serves as an alternate to the yet to be constructed exchange for Fullerton. Particularly for hospital access.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 26, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
I'm a passenger going southbound on the new section as I type this.  Nice road. 

Much has been made of the "nothing at the exits" quality of the road, but is there so little off the exits (like exit 104 for Indiana Route 445, and 98 for Indiana 45) that there's no destination locale to put on the signs? 

Nary a service sign so far.  The only blue signs I've seen since Bloomington are "To report spills, call XXX-XXXX."

Photographs are pretty impractical today since it's going between pouring, misting, and fog, but there have been lots of good ones posted already.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 26, 2015, 04:31:25 PM
Several other observations from here, live on 69:

The old "freeway ends" or whatever signs are still up going north, but with ply on them now.

Almost no signs at all on the new section–guide, regulatory, reassurance–other than the ones I mentioned.

Billboards! are up just south of 231.  Makes the road feel a bit more broken in, even if the boards are blank.

This area also has quite a few little "Jurisdictional Water" signs.  Is this something similar to "Waters of the US"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 26, 2015, 05:23:32 PM
Quote from: qguy on December 25, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
For example, someone would get up at a meeting and instead of saying something like, "I think it's clear that the proposed roadway [or whatever] would increase traffic," they would say something like, "The proposed roadway would destroy heaven and Earth and all that is sacred. You people are evil; you want to ruin our health and kill our children. You sit in your offices and plot how you can destroy my way of life." Yes, I've heard just that and yes, that's a mild example.

One of the "best" ones I ever heard was at a public hearing that happened to land three months after the 9/11 bombing in NYC.  "You guys are worse than terrorists."  And that was just for a pre-NEPA planning study.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 26, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 26, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
Much has been made of the "nothing at the exits" quality of the road, but is there so little off the exits (like exit 104 for Indiana Route 445, and 98 for Indiana 45) that there's no destination locale to put on the signs? 

SR 445 is a connector road more than anything else with no community at either end. I thought that Bloomfield would be appropriate for SB 69 traffic to SR 445 or at the very least a sign that says "To SR 45 and SR 54." The only other community in that area of any note is Cincinnati and that town is so small that I cannot find a population figure for it. They probably didn't want to confuse people thinking that somehow SR 445 was going to take you "that other" Cincinnati. As for SR 45, nothing either unless Owensburg counts as something. There is another entrance into Crane a few miles south, likely the purpose for this exit but that would be reserved for a smaller green sign and they probably just wanted to route people thorugh the main entrance off of US 231 as it is. So yeah, basically no real control point at all for either exit, and all the other communities listed for the other I-69 exits at least have some people living in them. SR 45 was always basically a connecting highway between Crane and Bloomington with little in the way, that's why it worked as a good through route during Section 4's construction since it was pretty smooth sailing once you got out of Bloomington (though the traffic was often heavy.)

As it is, I haven't seen any posted here, so I'm going to share some pictures of Section 4, taken on a much better day than today.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 26, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
go boilers, I can also say that east west travel in West Laff/Laff sucks, south st is a nightmare, teal road is garbage, veterans is hamstrung by development, and salem/union is too slow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ModernDayWarrior on December 27, 2015, 03:37:42 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 26, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
As it is, I haven't seen any posted here, so I'm going to share some pictures of Section 4, taken on a much better day than today.

(pics snipped out)

Great pics. Pretty road. Hard to beat a brand new Interstate! :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 02, 2016, 12:03:02 AM
I journeyed north on I-69 from Evansville to Bloomington earlier today and it seemed that the signage for the individual exits were more or less in tact in both directions, where I seem to remember some signs missing on previous trips due to high wind or something else. It seems that signage more or less has been improved. Also, and I apologize if this has been mentioned before but Oakland City is now featured as a control point for signs for Exit 33. I only wish we at least had some mileage signs along that stretch.

Speaking of signs, I bit the bullet and bought a one-month subscription to the Bloomington Herald-Times to see all they had to say over highway construction. Someone there brough up the lack of signs mentioning Bloomington and the newspaper asked INDOT what was going on with that, since it had been mentioned here before. The following is a response from the 1/1/2016 Herald-Times.

"According to Will Wingfield, a spokesman for the Indiana Department of Transportation, the efforts to "give Bloomington a little love"  are continuing on into 2016. He said that we can expect some destination signage – ground-mounted signs that direct traffic onto the interstate from adjoining roads – as the final touches are being put in order.

"When the original interstates were built in the '70s, they only had signs at waterways, overpasses and county lines,"  said Wingfield. "The new standard is mile markers."

Wingfield says that there are mile marker signs every half mile for that stretch of I-69, so stranded motorists can better report where they are in case of emergency. For safety reasons, decorative signs (such as the one located on Ind. 37 at the College Avenue/North Walnut Street exit) must be approved as an exception by INDOT, and are typically the result of a partnership with a local beautification organization."

And one more thing, probably more appropriate for the I-69 Ohio River Bridge, but the river was very high in Evansville when we drove on I-69 toward Downtown Evansville. Green River Road essentially went straight into the flood waters of the Ohio just south of it's exit off of I-69. I'm sure it's a foregone conclusion to people from the area, but I'm guessing the Indiana approach to the river is going to have to be all-bridge. And speaking of flooding, the White River was up, giving the appearance of a lake to the west of the interstate east of Petersburg (near the White River bridge,) an interesting sight for me.
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 06, 2016, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 02, 2016, 12:03:02 AMAnd one more thing, probably more appropriate for the I-69 Ohio River Bridge, but the river was very high in Evansville when we drove on I-69 toward Downtown Evansville. Green River Road essentially went straight into the flood waters of the Ohio just south of it's exit off of I-69. I'm sure it's a foregone conclusion to people from the area, but I'm guessing the Indiana approach to the river is going to have to be all-bridge.

I crossed the 41 bridges last week, and yes, most of the area surrounding Ellis Park (though not Ellis Park itself) was submerged.  All around both sides at Owensboro, too.  The area south of 69 is all accreted sediment the river has left there as it has meandered south, as is the case inside all river bends, so the river often finds its way back through and over that land.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on January 11, 2016, 10:45:59 AM
Noticed yesterday while traveling back from Indy that the SB "next exit xx miles" sign near exit 87 (US 231) was covered in plastic, but it had partially blown off, revealing 7 miles for the next exit (76), which is at SR 58. I'm assuming it was covered up because the mileage is wrong, lol.

I also thoroughly enjoyed the low salt zones, which allowed me to travel a whopping 45-50mph the entire stretch from Bloomington to Crane. But to be fair, the temps yesterday were cold enough that the effectiveness of the salt was restricted. However, I traveled through after after 9pm and all four lanes were still pretty much snow/ice covered.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on January 11, 2016, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on January 11, 2016, 10:45:59 AM
I also thoroughly enjoyed the low salt zones, which allowed me to travel a whopping 45-50mph the entire stretch from Bloomington to Crane.
When our street was replaced a few years back, they told us they weren't going to salt it the first winter because that's when the worst damage is done to the concrete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 11, 2016, 09:00:17 PM
I wondered what this new stretch of I-69 would be like under its first snowfall. I'm guessing the karst topography and limestone in the area is the main reason for the low salt zones. I did travel I-69 from Muncie to Indy at no faster than 40 MPH one night a few years ago and that freeway's been there for years with no such zones.
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 11, 2016, 10:29:19 PM
Is there anyone here with enough expertise that can tell us why the concrete is more vulnerable in its first year?  Presumably it is cured well before then.

It would not be surprising if the lack of salt is due to groundwater issues.   Nowhere have I seen as many signs indicating sensitive water areas as I did on the new section of 69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on January 15, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
I just noticed that on INDOT's I-69 Home Page for Section 6, a new "I-69 Section 6 Fact Sheet" dated 1/11/2016 has been added.  Activities 20, 21, and 22 concerning the public involvement reported on the recent public hearings done late in 2015.  The Fact Sheet officially confirms INDOT's intention to refine "the five preliminary alternatives into a smaller set of routes known as reasonable alternatives."  I had read news releases on this earlier that reported that these remaining alternatives would be reduced from anywhere from less than 5 to more than 1, with a possibility that the single preferred route would be identified.  It will be interesting to see if INDOT makes this announcement anytime soon, and just how many of the present 5 alternatives will be studied further during the remaining time in the EIS.

I believe that I read elsewhere that INDOT's schedule was to have a ROD by early 2018.  I also read that INDOT has some concerns as to how they will sign I-69 between Section 5 (scheduled to be completed in 2016) and Section 6, since the interstate traffic has been increasing and there will be an abrupt end to the interstate into SR 37 just south of Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on January 18, 2016, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on January 15, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
I also read that INDOT has some concerns as to how they will sign I-69 between Section 5 (scheduled to be completed in 2016) and Section 6, since the interstate traffic has been increasing and there will be an abrupt end to the interstate into SR 37 just south of Martinsville.

Maybe they could re sign IN 37 from Martinsville to Indy as Indiana Route 69. Then Martinsville to B town copied be signed I69.

Most folks are sure that the in 37 designation will be dropped anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 19, 2016, 07:12:42 AM
Quote from: Moose on January 18, 2016, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on January 15, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
I also read that INDOT has some concerns as to how they will sign I-69 between Section 5 (scheduled to be completed in 2016) and Section 6, since the interstate traffic has been increasing and there will be an abrupt end to the interstate into SR 37 just south of Martinsville.

Maybe they could re sign IN 37 from Martinsville to Indy as Indiana Route 69. Then Martinsville to B town copied be signed I69.

Most folks are sure that the in 37 designation will be dropped anyway.

There's already a SR 69, and I doubt 37 will go anywhere. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 19, 2016, 07:07:37 PM
I'm sure they'll multiplex 37 with I-69 along Section 5. It will take some time for people to start using I-69 for the new freeway from Bloomington to Martinsville. With Sections 1 thru 4 it was easy since the roadway never existed here, but habits will be slow to die off, and from a practical standpoint it makes sense anyway since SR 37 continues north of where Section 5 ends. Sign both highways for Section 5 and perhaps add some "TO I-69" signs along SR 37 north of there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 19, 2016, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Moose on January 18, 2016, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on January 15, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
I also read that INDOT has some concerns as to how they will sign I-69 between Section 5 (scheduled to be completed in 2016) and Section 6, since the interstate traffic has been increasing and there will be an abrupt end to the interstate into SR 37 just south of Martinsville.
Maybe they could re sign IN 37 from Martinsville to Indy as Indiana Route 69. Then Martinsville to B town copied be signed I69.

Most folks are sure that the in 37 designation will be dropped anyway.

I like the SR 69 idea even if its lifetime were short. Personally, i think they should remove all the state road numbers that duplicate Interstate numbers in the same way they do with US routes.  I-64 and SR 64 are especially confusing. Indiana has plenty of numbers to work with to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 20, 2016, 07:22:22 AM
Wasn't SR 135 renumbered that because of US 35?  Why would INDOT renumber SR 135 but not 64, 65, 69, and 70 for the same reason?  Unless the renumbering happened to whatever organization handled the roads before INDOT existed. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 20, 2016, 08:35:16 AM
The policy apparently exists only for U.S. highways. Interstates and state highways can have the same number but not U.S. and state highways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 21, 2016, 08:38:08 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 20, 2016, 08:35:16 AM
The policy apparently exists only for U.S. highways. Interstates and state highways can have the same number but not U.S. and state highways.

I've never seen the rule written, but that appears to be the case.  64, 65, 69 and 70 exist in Indiana both as interstates and as state highways.  64 is the most confusing, as they closely parallel each other across most of the state and even intersect each other at IN 64's eastern terminus.

A bigger problem with IN 64 is that 164, 264 and 364 are all already in use, so you'd have to go up to 464 if you renumber it, which would seem very out of place with a road that long having a number that high.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on January 21, 2016, 09:23:13 AM
Although I would not personally be for changing SR 64's number, the number 72 appears to be open and would be a reasonable choice.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 21, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
if you don't care about fitting the correct number, there are no 80s or 90s numbers or anything over 75 in the 70s anymore.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: civeng on January 21, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
I've never been confused by it, and really haven't heard of anyone else being confused.

Changing the number to anything else would certainly be confusing though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: captkirk_4 on January 24, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 26, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
go boilers, I can also say that east west travel in West Laff/Laff sucks, south st is a nightmare, teal road is garbage, veterans is hamstrung by development, and salem/union is too slow.
The Hoosier Highway just empties into the middle of Lafayette with absolutely no easy way to keep going to the South-West direction you've been moving flawlessly along all the way from Toledo. Indiana really needs to bypass Lafayette and get that traffic on down to I-74 on a four lane divided highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 24, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: captkirk_4 on January 24, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 26, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
go boilers, I can also say that east west travel in West Laff/Laff sucks, south st is a nightmare, teal road is garbage, veterans is hamstrung by development, and salem/union is too slow.
The Hoosier Highway just empties into the middle of Lafayette with absolutely no easy way to keep going to the South-West direction you've been moving flawlessly along all the way from Toledo. Indiana really needs to bypass Lafayette and get that traffic on down to I-74 on a four lane divided highway.

I don't even think INDOT has any plans to do that ever unfortunately.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on January 24, 2016, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 24, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: captkirk_4 on January 24, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 26, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
go boilers, I can also say that east west travel in West Laff/Laff sucks, south st is a nightmare, teal road is garbage, veterans is hamstrung by development, and salem/union is too slow.
The Hoosier Highway just empties into the middle of Lafayette with absolutely no easy way to keep going to the South-West direction you've been moving flawlessly along all the way from Toledo. Indiana really needs to bypass Lafayette and get that traffic on down to I-74 on a four lane divided highway.

I don't even think INDOT has any plans to do that ever unfortunately.

I thought there were plans to eventually 4 lane US 231 from Lafayette to Crawfordsville (I-74). Before Indiana builds any more new roads we need to fix our existing roads and bridges.

Getting back on topic with I-69. Indiana's best option without making a bunch of people mad would be go to back through and add tolls to I-69 between SR 68 and SR 37. I would fully support having no toll booths along the road and just making it Pay By Mail or EZPASS. Most people aren't used to using it (I-69) yet anyways. Who cares what Bloomington thinks about the idea. They didn't want the interstate anyways.

If INDOT collected on average $0.10 per mile over 90 miles between SR 68 and SR 37, then the average driver would be paying $9 in tolls. If 10,000 people took I-69 everyday then Indiana would collect $90,000. Over a year they would collect $32,850,000. I'm not sure why the idea of tolling I-69 was dropped in the first place.

Maybe the state of Indiana should toll all of our interstate highways. I'd support that too and I live in Indiana. It's not like out of state drivers can avoid Indiana thanks to Lake Michigan and no really good east-west routes across Kentucky. They could take our "free roads", but even if they did it's still cheaper for the state to fix those roads than our interstates. All the gas tax money would be going toward non interstate highways while toll money went to interstates, and we'd have more money than ever to fix and build new roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 25, 2016, 07:48:36 AM
Quote from: US 41 on January 24, 2016, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 24, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: captkirk_4 on January 24, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 26, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
go boilers, I can also say that east west travel in West Laff/Laff sucks, south st is a nightmare, teal road is garbage, veterans is hamstrung by development, and salem/union is too slow.
The Hoosier Highway just empties into the middle of Lafayette with absolutely no easy way to keep going to the South-West direction you've been moving flawlessly along all the way from Toledo. Indiana really needs to bypass Lafayette and get that traffic on down to I-74 on a four lane divided highway.

I don't even think INDOT has any plans to do that ever unfortunately.

I thought there were plans to eventually 4 lane US 231 from Lafayette to Crawfordsville (I-74). Before Indiana builds any more new roads we need to fix our existing roads and bridges.

Getting back on topic with I-69. Indiana's best option without making a bunch of people mad would be go to back through and add tolls to I-69 between SR 68 and SR 37. I would fully support having no toll booths along the road and just making it Pay By Mail or EZPASS. Most people aren't used to using it (I-69) yet anyways. Who cares what Bloomington thinks about the idea. They didn't want the interstate anyways.

If INDOT collected on average $0.10 per mile over 90 miles between SR 68 and SR 37, then the average driver would be paying $9 in tolls. If 10,000 people took I-69 everyday then Indiana would collect $90,000. Over a year they would collect $32,850,000. I'm not sure why the idea of tolling I-69 was dropped in the first place.

Maybe the state of Indiana should toll all of our interstate highways. I'd support that too and I live in Indiana. It's not like out of state drivers can avoid Indiana thanks to Lake Michigan and no really good east-west routes across Kentucky. They could take our "free roads", but even if they did it's still cheaper for the state to fix those roads than our interstates. All the gas tax money would be going toward non interstate highways while toll money went to interstates, and we'd have more money than ever to fix and build new roads.

It's INDOT's dream to make 231 a 4 lane divided highway from Lafayette to the Ohio river.  Your tolling idea may happen to 65 and 70, why not 69 too, they'd make so much money from fishers to Muncie, hell toll SR 37 when it gets fixed.  I don't think 74 or 64 should be tolled.  tolling 80 and 94 would net an assload of money as well. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on January 25, 2016, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 25, 2016, 07:48:36 AM
Quote from: US 41 on January 24, 2016, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 24, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: captkirk_4 on January 24, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 26, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
go boilers, I can also say that east west travel in West Laff/Laff sucks, south st is a nightmare, teal road is garbage, veterans is hamstrung by development, and salem/union is too slow.
The Hoosier Highway just empties into the middle of Lafayette with absolutely no easy way to keep going to the South-West direction you've been moving flawlessly along all the way from Toledo. Indiana really needs to bypass Lafayette and get that traffic on down to I-74 on a four lane divided highway.

I don't even think INDOT has any plans to do that ever unfortunately.

I thought there were plans to eventually 4 lane US 231 from Lafayette to Crawfordsville (I-74). Before Indiana builds any more new roads we need to fix our existing roads and bridges.

Getting back on topic with I-69. Indiana's best option without making a bunch of people mad would be go to back through and add tolls to I-69 between SR 68 and SR 37. I would fully support having no toll booths along the road and just making it Pay By Mail or EZPASS. Most people aren't used to using it (I-69) yet anyways. Who cares what Bloomington thinks about the idea. They didn't want the interstate anyways.

If INDOT collected on average $0.10 per mile over 90 miles between SR 68 and SR 37, then the average driver would be paying $9 in tolls. If 10,000 people took I-69 everyday then Indiana would collect $90,000. Over a year they would collect $32,850,000. I'm not sure why the idea of tolling I-69 was dropped in the first place.

Maybe the state of Indiana should toll all of our interstate highways. I'd support that too and I live in Indiana. It's not like out of state drivers can avoid Indiana thanks to Lake Michigan and no really good east-west routes across Kentucky. They could take our "free roads", but even if they did it's still cheaper for the state to fix those roads than our interstates. All the gas tax money would be going toward non interstate highways while toll money went to interstates, and we'd have more money than ever to fix and build new roads.

It's INDOT's dream to make 231 a 4 lane divided highway from Lafayette to the Ohio river.  Your tolling idea may happen to 65 and 70, why not 69 too, they'd make so much money from fishers to Muncie, hell toll SR 37 when it gets fixed.  I don't think 74 or 64 should be tolled.  tolling 80 and 94 would net an assload of money as well.

INDOT should build a direct route from where SR 63 terminates at Carbondale to West Lafayette, around the northside of Lafayette, and connect it to SR 25. The Heartland Artery needs a connector to the US 41-SR 63 highway on the western edge of the state, even if it is only a super-two.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on February 05, 2016, 07:58:29 PM
I find it quite annoying that for each of the first 4 segments offered monthly updates but the segment 5 site has not been updated since October.

I know they have a grid but it would be nice to get a real update every month or so
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 08, 2016, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 05, 2016, 07:58:29 PM
I find it quite annoying that for each of the first 4 segments offered monthly updates but the segment 5 site has not been updated since October.

I know they have a grid but it would be nice to get a real update every month or so

That is about normal.

It didn't get updated all last summer. Then about September or later, someone binge updated it with all sorts of stuff, some of it was notices for stuff in the past over the summer.

Yeah great..... you think they could get someone to keep the dang website up to date.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 09, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
The whole thing is pretty odd with the website since the Twitter account tweets constantly (https://twitter.com/i69section5).  You can also see the press releases from the road closings around the web.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 11, 2016, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on January 11, 2016, 10:45:59 AM
Noticed yesterday while traveling back from Indy that the SB "next exit xx miles" sign near exit 87 (US 231) was covered in plastic, but it had partially blown off, revealing 7 miles for the next exit (76), which is at SR 58. I'm assuming it was covered up because the mileage is wrong, lol.

I also thoroughly enjoyed the low salt zones, which allowed me to travel a whopping 45-50mph the entire stretch from Bloomington to Crane. But to be fair, the temps yesterday were cold enough that the effectiveness of the salt was restricted. However, I traveled through after after 9pm and all four lanes were still pretty much snow/ice covered.

INDOT explains the "Low Salt Zone" signs

http://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/local-news/what-is-a-low-salt-zone-and-why-is-it-on-i-69

QuoteThe Tri-State has seen its share of snow and ice this winter, and more is sure to come.

It's made a mess along highways and been the cause of accidents on interstates.

But some drivers are questioning a stretch of I-69, and the so-called "low salt, no spray"  zone.

It's posted on blue signs dotting the newest stretch of the highway near Bloomington, and drivers are asking questions.

Will Wingfield with INDOT says it means crews are more cautious treating the roads.

"Nobody is asking us to compromise on public safety, and we treat I-69 the same way we do other roads,"  he says.

According to Wingfield, INDOT complies with environmental standards in an effort to keep limestone caves and underground waterways in the area clean.

Despite the "low salt"  designation, Wingfield adds crews don't do anything differently treating roads in winter weather.

"We met with [environmental agencies], we detailed our practices, and they were comfortable with what we were already doing."

Some drivers seem to believe low salt means no salt.

Heather Ricketts drove the route south Tuesday night through a snow storm.

"You couldn't tell where the road was,"  she says, "There were people pulled over with their flashers on."

INDOT says it takes two to three hours for crews to treat the roads during a storm, and Wingfield says drivers need to slow down from the posted 70 mph speed limit.

"When we are in the middle of a snow event, people need to reduce their speed according to the conditions."

The blue signs also have "no spray"  on them; officials says its more strict following those rules — not spraying herbicides on the grass medians and shoulders
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on February 15, 2016, 07:56:11 AM
That's funny - it's low salt up here too (Cleveland) and people deal with the frequent snow events just fine. I would tell the motorists to "suck it up, buttercup" and if you can't see during snow squalls or storms, then... you shouldn't be driving during those events. There are plenty of areas where low salt is used - even on interstates.

For instance, the northwest ODOT district in Ohio is eschewing salt for a liquid mixture which will save the district money and prevent many of the environmental consequences of salting roadways (of which there are many). On our interstates up this way, salt isn't even applied during most squalls or small storms - it's just plowed. A liquid mixture may be applied, along with a little salt, but it's not anything close to what I've seen other states dump.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 15, 2016, 08:06:07 AM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on February 15, 2016, 07:56:11 AM
That's funny - it's low salt up here too (Cleveland) and people deal with the frequent snow events just fine. I would tell the motorists to "suck it up, buttercup" and if you can't see during snow squalls or storms, then... you shouldn't be driving during those events. There are plenty of areas where low salt is used - even on interstates.

For instance, the northwest ODOT district in Ohio is eschewing salt for a liquid mixture which will save the district money and prevent many of the environmental consequences of salting roadways (of which there are many). On our interstates up this way, salt isn't even applied during most squalls or small storms - it's just plowed. A liquid mixture may be applied, along with a little salt, but it's not anything close to what I've seen other states dump.

There are little non-event storms here where plowing contractors spread salt every single pass on many redundant passes.  It gets ridiculous.  I am convinced they go through the motions to warrant being paid for the shift or something.  This is why in bad winters our huge salt reserves always run low or out.

The "low salt" on 69 could be a fraction of what a lot of salt-dependent areas use and still be more than enough.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on February 15, 2016, 01:33:24 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on February 15, 2016, 07:56:11 AM
That's funny - it's low salt up here too (Cleveland) and people deal with the frequent snow events just fine. I would tell the motorists to "suck it up, buttercup" and if you can't see during snow squalls or storms, then... you shouldn't be driving during those events. There are plenty of areas where low salt is used - even on interstates.

For instance, the northwest ODOT district in Ohio is eschewing salt for a liquid mixture which will save the district money and prevent many of the environmental consequences of salting roadways (of which there are many). On our interstates up this way, salt isn't even applied during most squalls or small storms - it's just plowed. A liquid mixture may be applied, along with a little salt, but it's not anything close to what I've seen other states dump.

Around Toledo, ODOT regularly applies a liquid mixture derived in part from beets (I believe?) a day before the snowfall; I think it keeps the temperature of the pavement a little higher. The snows are plowed very quickly in this part of Ohio.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on February 16, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 15, 2016, 08:06:07 AM

Quote from: Sherman Cahal on February 15, 2016, 07:56:11 AM
That's funny - it's low salt up here too (Cleveland) and people deal with the frequent snow events just fine. I would tell the motorists to "suck it up, buttercup" and if you can't see during snow squalls or storms, then... you shouldn't be driving during those events. There are plenty of areas where low salt is used - even on interstates.

For instance, the northwest ODOT district in Ohio is eschewing salt for a liquid mixture which will save the district money and prevent many of the environmental consequences of salting roadways (of which there are many). On our interstates up this way, salt isn't even applied during most squalls or small storms - it's just plowed. A liquid mixture may be applied, along with a little salt, but it's not anything close to what I've seen other states dump.

There are little non-event storms here where plowing contractors spread salt every single pass on many redundant passes.  It gets ridiculous.  I am convinced they go through the motions to warrant being paid for the shift or something.  This is why in bad winters our huge salt reserves always run low or out.


Managers are definitely sensitive to the "needs" of seasonal workers during light winters.  Heck, we just had an inch of snow or so last night and I heard snowplows scraping along far more frequently than actually necessary. 

There's also the "white mile" phenomenon:  When the trucks are on their way to return to their lots and the salt shed, some drivers will dump salt out on the road so they don't have to deal with it when they get back in.  Hence, the last mile to the salt shed becomes the "white mile."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 21, 2016, 09:28:12 PM
I ventured out this afternoon to take a look see at how things are coming along with Section 5 in Monroe County. Here's a short rundown and some pics:

Fullerton Pike interchange – The bent and the abutments are nearing completion, but no beams yet. A lot of loose lift has been placed to raise the road bed for the traffic circles. Still a lot of work remains.

Tapp Road interchange – Some loose lift has been placed. However, the true start of construction will have to wait until the Fullerton Pike interchange completes.

Vernal Pike/17th Street overpass – Work continues on the abutments and with loose lift.

Kinser Pike overpass – Nearing completion; probably will open for traffic in another 2—3 months.

Bean Blossom Creek & Griffy Creek mainline bridges (expansion for one additional lane in each direction) – Work has started on both bridges.

Sample Road interchange – Preliminary work, such as utilities relocation, continues. Looks like full blown construction will kick off soon.

Added lanes and barrier wall between SR 37/I-69 interchange & SR 46 – Good progress has been made; a lot of rebar is now up for the wall between 3rd Street and SR 46. In fact, a crew was out working today–Sunday–in this vicinity.

Liberty Church Road interchange – No report, as I didn't check it out

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The future Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking northeast.

I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsán (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 5).

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The median bent of the Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange; looking northeast.

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A little helicopter action at Monroe Hospital; the future Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange is in the background.

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Another view of the copter, which was landing at Monroe Hospital to pick up and transfer a patient.

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Sample Road at State Road 37, looking east; full blown construction should start soon.

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Sample Road at State Road 37 from another vantage point; looking east.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 22, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 21, 2016, 09:28:12 PM
I ventured out this afternoon to take a look see at how things are coming along with Section 5 in Monroe County. Here's a short rundown and some pics:

Fullerton Pike interchange – The bent and the abutments are nearing completion, but no beams yet. A lot of loose lift has been placed to raise the road bed for the traffic circles. Still a lot of work remains.

Tapp Road interchange – Some loose lift has been placed. However, the true start of construction will have to wait until the Fullerton Pike interchange completes.

Vernal Pike/17th Street overpass – Work continues on the abutments and with loose lift.

Kinser Pike overpass – Nearing completion; probably will open for traffic in another 2—3 months.

Bean Blossom Creek & Griffy Creek mainline bridges (expansion for one additional lane in each direction) – Work has started on both bridges.

Sample Road interchange – Preliminary work, such as utilities relocation, continues. Looks like full blown construction will kick off soon.

Added lanes and barrier wall between SR 37/I-69 interchange & SR 46 – Good progress has been made; a lot of rebar is now up for the wall between 3rd Street and SR 46. In fact, a crew was out working today–Sunday–in this vicinity.

Liberty Church Road interchange – No report, as I didn't check it out

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1493/24884210910_05900d5568_z.jpg)
The future Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking northeast.

I-69 Development Partners/Isolux Corsán (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 5).

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1535/24812143319_f19012a5e8_k.jpg)
The median bent of the Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange; looking northeast.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1442/24549162544_a82e7be9dc_k.jpg)
A little helicopter action at Monroe Hospital; the future Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange is in the background.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1444/25061587852_82832fd037_h.jpg)
Another view of the copter, which was landing at Monroe Hospital to pick up and transfer a patient.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1473/25061586242_97aec6332b_k.jpg)
Sample Road at State Road 37, looking east; full blown construction should start soon.

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Sample Road at State Road 37 from another vantage point; looking east.

Nice pictures.  Looks like they've made a lot of progress since I drove through Bloomington last July.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 25, 2016, 03:35:09 AM
A few more Section 5 pics. Photos were taken February 22, 2016 unless otherwise noted.

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The I-69 Section 5 contractor field office.  On Vernal Pike at Sunrise Greeting Ct., Bloomington, Indiana; looking southwest.

This building, I believe was the former production facility for the Bloomington greeting card company Sunrise Publications. Sunrise was started in B-town in 1974 and became a big success. It was eventually acquired by Hallmark Cards, Inc. in 1998. At its zenith in the early 1990s, Sunrise employed over 400 in Bloomington, and nearly 700 nationwide. But after the Hallmark acquisition, operations were steadily wound down, and in 2012, the last remaining elements of the company in Bloomington were closed.


Here's a couple of pics that show the December 2015–February 2016 progress at the Vernal Pike construction zone.

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Vernal Pike construction zone; facing east. Traffic on State Road 37 can be seen in the background. Photo date: February 22, 2016

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Photo date: December 5, 2015.

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State Road 37 at West 3rd Street in Bloomington; looking northwest. The rebar for the median barrier wall appears about ready for concrete.

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The bridge that carries West 3rd Street over State Road 37 in Bloomington; looking west. As part of Section 5, it's being widened to accommodate pathways for bicycles and pedestrians. Pictured is the extension of the median bent on the north side of the bridge (a similar extension is found on the south side as well).

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Another view of the Vernal Pike work zone, which provides a better perspective of the prefabricated Con/Span© bridge that will allow N. Packinghouse Road to pass under Vernal Pike; looking east.

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A close up of the Con/Span© bridge; looking east. Photo was taken December 5, 2015.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 25, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
They're seriously widening the SR 48 bridge just for peds and bikes?  I'm all for walkability, but is it really worth all that money to widen the bridge a few feet for this purpose?  Looking at the bridge in streetview the shoulders appear to be wide enough to accommodate these facilities on either side.  Seems like a waste of money to me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on February 25, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
They're seriously widening the SR 48 bridge just for peds and bikes?  I'm all for walkability, but is it really worth all that money to widen the bridge a few feet for this purpose?  Looking at the bridge in streetview the shoulders appear to be wide enough to accommodate these facilities on either side.  Seems like a waste of money to me.

Maybe that was a concession for the Bloomington folks to not be as upset about I-69 coming through?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 25, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on February 25, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
They're seriously widening the SR 48 bridge just for peds and bikes?  I'm all for walkability, but is it really worth all that money to widen the bridge a few feet for this purpose?  Looking at the bridge in streetview the shoulders appear to be wide enough to accommodate these facilities on either side.  Seems like a waste of money to me.

Maybe that was a concession for the Bloomington folks to not be as upset about I-69 coming through?

I think you're right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on February 25, 2016, 08:29:41 AM
Across the street from Sunrise Greetings was the old Roadway Express terminal. Is that still there?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 25, 2016, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on February 25, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
They're seriously widening the SR 48 bridge just for peds and bikes?  I'm all for walkability, but is it really worth all that money to widen the bridge a few feet for this purpose?  Looking at the bridge in streetview the shoulders appear to be wide enough to accommodate these facilities on either side.  Seems like a waste of money to me.

Maybe that was a concession for the Bloomington folks to not be as upset about I-69 coming through?

It was.  I believe it's in one of the articles in this thread.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 01, 2016, 12:48:13 AM
I ventured out during the weekend for a more in-depth look-see at Section 5 and to snap some photos of the construction. Good progress has been made over the winter months, but still a LOT of work remains, and a good number of projects have yet to commence.

Work projects that should complete (or be close to finishing) in the next 6 months, include:
- Kinser Pike overpass and roadway
- Fullerton Pike interchange
- Vernal Pike overpass and roadway
- Added travels lanes and median barrier wall between Fullerton Pike and State Road 46

Projects that may complete by the end of 2016:
- Liberty Church Road interchange and related access roads
- Added travel lanes and median barrier wall between State Road 46 and N. Walnut Street
- Rehabilitation of bridges over Bryant Creek (both north and southbound)
- Bridge expansion/added travel lanes – Griffy Creek bridges (both north and southbound)
- Bridge expansion/added travel lanes – Beanblossom Creek Overflow bridges (both north and southbound)

Work that has yet to fully commence (but some preliminary work may have been undertaken):
- Tapp Road interchange
- Sample Road interchange (apparently has officially broken ground, but the heavy duty work has yet to begin)
- Access roads that tie into Sample Road (about 8—10 miles of new terrain access roads are planned according to my rough estimate; some work is ongoing, but it hasn't yet kicked into high gear)
- Chambers Pike overpass
- Added travel lanes and barrier wall between N. Walnut Street and Sample Road
- Bridge expansion/added travel lanes – Beanblossom Creek bridges
- 2nd and 3rd Street interchange improvements (3rd Street bridge has had median bent expanded, but nothing further)
- Sound walls

Completed projects:
- Rockport Road overpass
- That Road realignment and roadway
- Added travel lanes and barrier wall between Fullerton Pike and 3rd Street (some work remains, but probably won't be fully finished until all the interchanges in Bloomington complete)

Let's go to the pics! Photos were taken February 27, 2016, unless otherwise indicated.

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Looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass at State Road 37 (future I-69) in Monroe County, Indiana. The equipment pictured in the median (foreground) are a crane and piling rig near the Griffy Creek work zone. In the background is another piling rig at the Beanblossom Creek Overflow work site. The bridge is the N. Walnut Street overpass and limited interchange, and just south of that are the bridges over Beanblossom Creek, where construction has yet to commence.

I-69 Development Partners; Isolux Corsán USA, prime contractors (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 5).

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State Road 37 bridges over Griffy Creek; looking north from near Kinser Pike. Crews are currently working to demolish the interior barrier wall and supportive bean of the northbound span in preparation for expansion. After the northbound bridge is completed, work will shift to the southbound bridge.

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Mid-range view of the work occurring on the State Road 37/Griffy Creek northbound bridge; looking north.

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A culvert on Kinser Pike about 1/2 mile north of Kinser Pike/SR 37 overpass; facing north. State Road 37 is just off to the right, down a steep embankment.

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Vintage gas pumps! At an outlying building of a private residence on Kinser Pike about a 1/2 mile north of the Kinser Pike overpass. There were a total of six old pumps in and around the property. The Section 5 ROW for the Kinser Pike upgrade is indicated by the stakes and ribbons.

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Kinser Pike overpass; looking east. Nearing completion.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 01, 2016, 01:49:22 AM
A few more pics. Photos were taken February 28, 2016, unless otherwise noted.

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The eastern abutment of the Liberty Church Road/State Road 37 (future I-69) overpass and interchange in Morgan County, Indiana; looking north.

I-69 Development Partners; Isolux Corsán USA, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 5).

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Long-range perspective of the Liberty Church work zone; looking northwest.

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Another perspective of the work underway at the Liberty Church interchange site; looking northwest.

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From atop the eastern abutment, looking across State Road 37 at the steel pilings for the western abutment of the Liberty Church Road overpass and interchange; looking west.

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The prefabricated Con/Span® bridge that will carry Vernal Pike over a realigned N. Packing House Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

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Another view of the Con/Span bridge, with MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) panels in the foreground; looking north. The panels will be used to complete the western approach to the bridge.

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A creative perspective of the Con/Span bridge through a concrete storm sewer joint; looking north.

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The Fullerton Pike work zone; looking southeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 08, 2016, 08:23:43 AM
http://www.theindianalawyer.com/th-circuit-rejects-groups-i-69-challenges/PARAMS/article/39654

CARR loses appeal to stop I-69 construction

QuoteThe 7th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge's ruling granting a motion to dismiss some charges and grant summary judgment on others to the United States Department of Transportation after a group opposing I-69 construction in southern Indiana, Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads, filed a lawsuit.

CARR challenged several environmental aspects to the construction, alleging 18 counts of wrongdoing. The trial court found counts 9, and 13 through 18 were unripe, and that summary judgment on count 7 was appropriate. CARR appealed judgment on those counts.

In count 7, CARR said defendants violated the National Environmental Policy Act by not filing a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. They argued one was needed to address 2009 fleet vehicle data, the impact of the project on the endangered Indiana bat, and the impact of the project on certain historic sites. They argued the defendants arbitrarily used 2004 data instead of available 2009 data but Colin Bruce, District judge in the Central District of Illinois sitting by designation and writing the decision, said the defendants used 2004 data because 2009 data was not quality verified. Also, the plaintiffs did not show that using the 2009 data would have resulted in noncompliance.

Bruce found there was no basis that the plight of the endangered Indiana bat required an SEIS, and the plaintiffs did not include enough evidence to justify the use of an SEIS to gauge the impact of certain historic sites.

In count 13, plaintiffs alleged defendants violated the Clean Air Act and Administrative Procedure Act by not using the 2009 data, but Bruce said the law did not require defendants to use the 2009 data because it was not finalized until 2011. Also, the defendants knew about the 2009 data and chose not to use it.   

In counts 17 and 18, the plaintiffs said the defendants concealed certain information in violation of the NEPA, but did not provide sufficient evidence to back up their claims. Bruce said the defendants proved they considered all relevant factors when they decided on a route, and that's all that was required.

In counts 9, 14, 15 and 16, the plaintiffs did not respond to defendants' request for summary judgment. They did not include any statement of material facts, and by failing to respond, the defendants' facts were taken as represented in their motions, meaning they were granted summary judgment.

Bruce said the trial court made an error in its dismissal of all of count 8, but that error was harmless. All of count 8 would have been judged in the defendants' favor through summary judgment at trial anyway.

The plaintiffs also claimed fraud on the court, but the only evidence of the fraud was "hearsay upon hearsay,"  Bruce wrote, so that charge was not granted.

The plaintiffs argued the District Court erred on a number of evidentiary issues, but the 7th Circuit thought otherwise there as well. The plaintiffs' affidavit was hearsay, the subpoenas were quashed with reason and they were not entitled to an evidentiary hearing.

Finally, the plaintiffs claimed there should have been additional discovery in the case, but again Bruce said the plaintiffs failed to show a need for it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 08, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
And so the Interstate will soon inch closer to Indianapolis...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 08, 2016, 09:54:18 PM
I saw a presentation on Section 6 at road school today, nothing really new except 2 things (which may not be new to any of you guys)

1. They have no idea when they will narrow it down to less than 5 alternatives

2. Construction won't start until near 2020.

From the presentation I really get the feeling that they are going to choose 37 and the other alternatives are simply going through the motions.  At every step they kept saying how they view 37 as the route the main route when considering some of the permitting and other preliminary stuff they have to do.  This is simply my perception though, but I would honestly be shocked if it went any other way.

Their main concern at this point is the tie in point, how it will affect traffic on it.  For instance, if they chose the idiotic 70 tie in, they said they would likely have to 6 lane 70 from the tie in to 267.  And similar things could have to be done if it tied into 465.  They also said no tolls will be on this route (which isn't at all new i think this was common knowledge) they also mentioned that if they didn't use 37 how much it would cost to maintain 37 in addition to 69, there's no way they could get rid of 37.  The harding st interchange could be morphed into the 69 one in the same way Ameriplex pkwy is with the airport exit. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 09, 2016, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 08, 2016, 09:54:18 PM
I saw a presentation on Section 6 at road school today, nothing really new except 2 things (which may not be new to any of you guys)

1. They have no idea when they will narrow it down to less than 5 alternatives

2. Construction won't start until near 2020.

From the presentation I really get the feeling that they are going to choose 37 and the other alternatives are simply going through the motions.  At every step they kept saying how they view 37 as the route the main route when considering some of the permitting and other preliminary stuff they have to do.  This is simply my perception though, but I would honestly be shocked if it went any other way.

Their main concern at this point is the tie in point, how it will affect traffic on it.  For instance, if they chose the idiotic 70 tie in, they said they would likely have to 6 lane 70 from the tie in to 267.  And similar things could have to be done if it tied into 465.  They also said no tolls will be on this route (which isn't at all new i think this was common knowledge) they also mentioned that if they didn't use 37 how much it would cost to maintain 37 in addition to 69, there's no way they could get rid of 37.  The harding st interchange could be morphed into the 69 one in the same way Ameriplex pkwy is with the airport exit.

To comply with NEPA, INDOT has to show that they've done their due-diligence in determining that following SR-37 would be the best course of action to complete I-69 to Indianapolis.   The only real way to do that is to conduct environmental analysis of a series of alternatives in addition to the SR-37 routing, all of which are compared against the "No-Build" alternative that serves as a baseline upon which to measure all of the "build" alternatives.  The environmental studies ongoing for Section 6 will likely arrive at the same conclusion that supports following SR-37 to 465, but INDOT will at least have the documentation showing compliance with NEPA should there be any more lawsuits to stop the project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 09, 2016, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 09, 2016, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 08, 2016, 09:54:18 PM
I saw a presentation on Section 6 at road school today, nothing really new except 2 things (which may not be new to any of you guys)

1. They have no idea when they will narrow it down to less than 5 alternatives

2. Construction won't start until near 2020.

From the presentation I really get the feeling that they are going to choose 37 and the other alternatives are simply going through the motions.  At every step they kept saying how they view 37 as the route the main route when considering some of the permitting and other preliminary stuff they have to do.  This is simply my perception though, but I would honestly be shocked if it went any other way.

Their main concern at this point is the tie in point, how it will affect traffic on it.  For instance, if they chose the idiotic 70 tie in, they said they would likely have to 6 lane 70 from the tie in to 267.  And similar things could have to be done if it tied into 465.  They also said no tolls will be on this route (which isn't at all new i think this was common knowledge) they also mentioned that if they didn't use 37 how much it would cost to maintain 37 in addition to 69, there's no way they could get rid of 37.  The harding st interchange could be morphed into the 69 one in the same way Ameriplex pkwy is with the airport exit.

To comply with NEPA, INDOT has to show that they've done their due-diligence in determining that following SR-37 would be the best course of action to complete I-69 to Indianapolis.   The only real way to do that is to conduct environmental analysis of a series of alternatives in addition to the SR-37 routing, all of which are compared against the "No-Build" alternative that serves as a baseline upon which to measure all of the "build" alternatives.  The environmental studies ongoing for Section 6 will likely arrive at the same conclusion that supports following SR-37 to 465, but INDOT will at least have the documentation showing compliance with NEPA should there be any more lawsuits to stop the project.
That's basically what they were saying as to why they had all the alternatives, I was just giving my opinion on what the tone of the presentation was.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on March 09, 2016, 02:01:42 PM
All this bloviating is just slowing down needed progress.  Using 37 is the least environmentally damaging choice.

I know some business may have to move as well as some homeowners but this will be minimized on exits ramps like southport road because they can move the exit ramps around the local businesses as much as possible
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on March 09, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: Hitler
All these Jews are just slowing down needed progress.
hehehehe
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2016, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2016, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: Hitler
All these Jews are just slowing down needed progress.
hehehehe

All it need is a "Downfall" parody clip about IN-37 and I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on March 10, 2016, 07:51:37 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 09, 2016, 11:02:24 AM

To comply with NEPA, INDOT has to show that they've done their due-diligence in determining that following SR-37 would be the best course of action to complete I-69 to Indianapolis.   The only real way to do that is to conduct environmental analysis of a series of alternatives in addition to the SR-37 routing, all of which are compared against the "No-Build" alternative that serves as a baseline upon which to measure all of the "build" alternatives.  The environmental studies ongoing for Section 6 will likely arrive at the same conclusion that supports following SR-37 to 465, but INDOT will at least have the documentation showing compliance with NEPA should there be any more lawsuits to stop the project.

Maybe I'm hunting for sunshine here, but I wonder how much data collected for the I-69 study could be used for other purposes. Particularly in the Mooresville area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 10, 2016, 11:02:42 PM
one other thing I forgot to mention, the INDOT guys said the weird routes that hit 65 were only there due to consideration of the useless "commerce connector outer loop" that will never happen. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 21, 2016, 08:18:47 AM
There's an open house on Tuesday on the Section 5 progress in Bloomington.  I'd guess we might get some updates on the website at that point.

http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2016/03/i-69-development-partners-host-public-open-house-for-section-5.php

Quote(BLOOMINGTON) - The I-69 Development Partners will host a public open house regarding the construction of I-69 Section 5, between Bloomington and Martinsville currently in progress.

The purpose of this open house is to update the public about construction progress, answer questions and to share planned next steps.

The public open house for I-69 Section 5 will be held on Tuesday from 6 p.m. till 7:30 p.m. at the Holiday Inn, 1710 Kinser Pike in Bloomington.

This informational open house format will provide attendees the opportunity to view displays and meet members of the project team. There will be no formal presentation.

Also, we have this quote from Will Wingfield of INDOT from an article on Friday on the timeline

http://www.washtimesherald.com/news/local_news/next-phase-of-i--should-wrap-this-year/article_e750a231-9d04-57e9-88f2-9a849e54df2f.html

QuoteStill officials believe the bulk of the project will be finished in the coming months.

"The contractor has a pretty aggressive deadline for the projects," said Wingfield. "I anticipate they will get almost all of it completed this year, and possibly come back next spring to finish it off."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 22, 2016, 10:24:46 AM
The I-69 Section 5 site has updated with a new newsletter (http://proauxi-69s5.rhcloud.com/obtenerFichero?idc=128)

Quote from: Section 5 Winter construction-Added Travel Lanes from That Road to SR 46 in each direction along
with new concrete median barrier — anticipate completion by early
summer 2016
- Mainline Improvements and Access Roads from just south of Chambers
Pike to the northern end of the project — anticipate completion by late
2016
- Fullerton Pike Interchange with roundabout intersections and road
work — anticipate completion by spring 2016
- Vernal Pike Bridge and road work - anticipate completion by spring
2016
- Kinser Pike road work — anticipate completion by spring 2016
- Bryants Creek Bridge for northbound lanes — anticipate completion by
spring 2016
- Utility Relocations throughout the project limits — anticipate
completion by 2016
- Snow Removal — I-69 DP conducts snow removal/treats roads
immediately upon snowstorm events and ensures roads remain
open for traffic
- Tree Clearing — more trees to be removed by March 31, 2016

Quote from: Section 5 Spring/Summer constructionSound Walls at three locations (refer to exhibit on back side)
— anticipate to start by winter 2016 and complete by summer 2016
- Tapp Road Interchange with roundabout intersections and road work
— anticipate to start by summer 2016 and complete by end of 2016
- CSX Railroad Bridge Widening — anticipate to start by late winter
2016 and complete by summer 2016
- Sample Road interchange with roundabout intersections — anticipate
to begin by late winter 2016 and complete by late summer 2016
- Chambers Pike Bridge — anticipate to begin by spring 2016 and
complete by late summer 2016
- Liberty Church Road interchange — anticipate to begin by spring
2016 and complete by end of 2016
- Mainline Improvements and Access Roads from SR 46 to just south
of Chambers Pike, Sample Road to Chambers Pike, and Turkey Track
Road to Indian Creek — anticipate to begin by late winter 2016 and
complete by end of summer 2016
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on March 29, 2016, 01:46:49 AM
Potential narrowing of the alternatives?

http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/indot-scheduled-to-reduce-possible-number-of-i--routes/article_e12ad54e-92d1-58df-8c20-1f684471362a.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ysuindy on March 29, 2016, 11:47:52 AM
Indy Star reporting the SR 37 option has been chosen

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on March 29, 2016, 11:50:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanmartin/status/714841424475340801
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 29, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
this was a surprise to 0 people
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Nice to read that the corridor has finally been selected.  I agree that the decision to follow SR 37 was not a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.  Read the Indy Star story and was still disappointed that construction will likely not start until 2020 or so, and that this final leg may not be open to traffic until the mid 2020's.  The entire I-69 route has taken way too long.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on March 29, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
Good news. So if they start construction on this segment in 2020, how long would it take to complete? 2-3 years?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on March 29, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Nice to read that the corridor has finally been selected.  I agree that the decision to follow SR 37 was not a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.  Read the Indy Star story and was still disappointed that construction will likely not start until 2020 or so, and that this final leg may not be open to traffic until the mid 2020's.  The entire I-69 route has taken way too long.

At least there is tangible and steady progress in Indiana. The same can't be said in the states in the middle of the route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on March 29, 2016, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on March 29, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
At least there is tangible and steady progress in Indiana. The same can't be said in the states in the middle of the route.

Agree. I hope that once all the construction is done in Louisville at the end of this year, both Indiana and Kentucky will start working on the environmental studies, funding, etc., for the I-69 Ohio River Bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 29, 2016, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on March 29, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Nice to read that the corridor has finally been selected.  I agree that the decision to follow SR 37 was not a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.  Read the Indy Star story and was still disappointed that construction will likely not start until 2020 or so, and that this final leg may not be open to traffic until the mid 2020's.  The entire I-69 route has taken way too long.

At least there is tangible and steady progress in Indiana. The same can't be said in the states in the middle of the route.

It would be really hard to argue against I-69 following SR-37 to I-465, given that the other four options would have been mostly new-terrain alignments north of Martinsville that would have caused much more disruption to the surrounding communities and environment and be more costly to build.  Unfortunately, any alignment was was to be selected would leave someone unhappy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on March 29, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
Good news. So if they start construction on this segment in 2020, how long would it take to complete? 2-3 years?

That's probably a fairly accurate estimate.  Closest comparison would be the work being done in Section 5, where they are converting SR 37 to interstate standards under constant traffic with some of the work being done in an urban/built-up area.  The public-private development partners started construction in 2014 and they are "scheduled" to be done with Section 5 by the end of 2016.  However, I still think that some of this work will spill into early 2017.

I wonder if INDOT will do Section 6 in the traditional manner, or if they will make Section 6 a Public-Private-Partnership deal as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on March 29, 2016, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on March 29, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
At least there is tangible and steady progress in Indiana. The same can't be said in the states in the middle of the route.

Agree. I hope that once all the construction is done in Louisville at the end of this year, both Indiana and Kentucky will start working on the environmental studies, funding, etc., for the I-69 Ohio River Bridge.

From what I've been able to gather, Kentucky's new governor is pushing hard to get this new I-69 bridge moving as soon as possible.  The new budget already earmarked funding to begin the new work on the EIS in 2018 (I think).  The folks over at I-69 Bridge Link are really excited to see how much backing this has recently received.  Apparently the new governor is an enthusiastic supporter.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on March 29, 2016, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 03:02:21 PM
From what I've been able to gather, Kentucky's new governor is pushing hard to get this new I-69 bridge moving as soon as possible.  The new budget already earmarked funding to begin the new work on the EIS in 2018 (I think).  The folks over at I-69 Bridge Link are really excited to see how much backing this has recently received.  Apparently the new governor is an enthusiastic supporter.

Good news. Not too far away  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on March 29, 2016, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on March 29, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on March 29, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
Good news. So if they start construction on this segment in 2020, how long would it take to complete? 2-3 years?

That's probably a fairly accurate estimate.  Closest comparison would be the work being done in Section 5, where they are converting SR 37 to interstate standards under constant traffic with some of the work being done in an urban/built-up area.  The public-private development partners started construction in 2014 and they are "scheduled" to be done with Section 5 by the end of 2016.  However, I still think that some of this work will spill into early 2017.

I wonder if INDOT will do Section 6 in the traditional manner, or if they will make Section 6 a Public-Private-Partnership deal as well.

My guess is that they will go with a PPP. That's the only way to get it done within 3 or so years. If they go any other way to finance it, they'll have to string out construction over a decade or more, as funds become available. I think there will be a lot of support to get it done as fast as possible to relieve the congestion on SR-37. That situation will continue to get worse with the extra traffic that 69 will generate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on March 29, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
Here is a video on the update on Section 6 of I-69 between Indianapolis to Evansville.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UihY8r6UMSI

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on March 29, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
How does the private company make money if there are no tolls?  They're not going to spend money on the project without something in return, so what is that something?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on March 29, 2016, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 29, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
How does the private company make money if there are no tolls?  They're not going to spend money on the project without something in return, so what is that something?
My understanding is they are paid over time for maintenance. The assumed incentive is a long term contract with well managed construction and maintenance can be cost effective for the contractor and more sensible for the government which can be burned by short-term low bid awards.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on March 30, 2016, 12:48:17 AM
Quote from: vdeane on March 29, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
How does the private company make money if there are no tolls?  They're not going to spend money on the project without something in return, so what is that something?

Another possibility is that the P3 developer is also the financier as well as the designer and constructor...so instead of having to come up with all the money at once, the state makes payments over a period of several years, thus not incurring the "hit" over one or 2 years of the annual program as would be the case with normal pay-as-you-build construction.  Design fee, construction, profit and interest are all built into the payments.  Maintenance could stay with INDOT in this case, unless there are warrantees on pavement performance, etc.  There are a number of ways to structure a P3, and different ways the developer gets paid in each.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 30, 2016, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on March 30, 2016, 12:48:17 AM
Quote from: vdeane on March 29, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
How does the private company make money if there are no tolls?  They're not going to spend money on the project without something in return, so what is that something?

Another possibility is that the P3 developer is also the financier as well as the designer and constructor...so instead of having to come up with all the money at once, the state makes payments over a period of several years, thus not incurring the "hit" over one or 2 years of the annual program as would be the case with normal pay-as-you-build construction.  Design fee, construction, profit and interest are all built into the payments.  Maintenance could stay with INDOT in this case, unless there are warrantees on pavement performance, etc.  There are a number of ways to structure a P3, and different ways the developer gets paid in each.

That's what they're doing with Section 5, although the developer is also in charge of maintenance/snow removal for the 35 year period after the project is complete.  So the company that finances the construction can make money off all that as well as the financing.

It seems to have led to a better project in the short-term.  You'd have to weigh how much INDOT's payments are versus the economic impact of having the road built now instead of later to judge the long-term impact as opposed to having INDOT pay for it at once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TravelingBethelite on March 30, 2016, 10:26:01 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 29, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
Here is a video on the update on Section 6 of I-69 between Indianapolis to Evansville.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UihY8r6UMSI

Article about this:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/03/29/ind-37-chosen-last-leg--69/82177650/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 30, 2016, 10:32:21 AM
It sucks to have to move your house or business due to construction, but I don't feel bad for the new construction houses and buildings in the area, they should have known this was a very high possibility. Either way, noone will be happy whichever route was taken.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 30, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: thefro on March 30, 2016, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on March 30, 2016, 12:48:17 AM
Quote from: vdeane on March 29, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
How does the private company make money if there are no tolls?  They're not going to spend money on the project without something in return, so what is that something?

Another possibility is that the P3 developer is also the financier as well as the designer and constructor...so instead of having to come up with all the money at once, the state makes payments over a period of several years, thus not incurring the "hit" over one or 2 years of the annual program as would be the case with normal pay-as-you-build construction.  Design fee, construction, profit and interest are all built into the payments.  Maintenance could stay with INDOT in this case, unless there are warrantees on pavement performance, etc.  There are a number of ways to structure a P3, and different ways the developer gets paid in each.

That's what they're doing with Section 5, although the developer is also in charge of maintenance/snow removal for the 35 year period after the project is complete.  So the company that finances the construction can make money off all that as well as the financing.

It seems to have led to a better project in the short-term.  You'd have to weigh how much INDOT's payments are versus the economic impact of having the road built now instead of later to judge the long-term impact as opposed to having INDOT pay for it at once.

If you believe in the concept that industry can do something better and more efficiently than any government agency can, then the P3/DBFOM model would work well to that end.  The reason tolls aren't needed because the firms selected to design, build, finance, operate and maintain I-69 would be compensated through "availability payments,"which are rolled into the annual INDOT budget.  That is, the state compensates the contractor over a specified amount of time for construction and maintenance of the highway.  Part of the agreement between the government and the contractor is that a certain amount is deducted from the contractor's payment for any time where the highway fails to meet specific performance specifications.

This model can be advantageous since one contractor (rather than multiple contractors) will be overseeing the entire acquisition lifecycle of the highway, from design to construction, to operations and maintenance, which reduces the Government's cost for managing and administering multiple contracts for the same facility.  Since a private company is motivated to garner or retain business and maximize profit, while the Government's motivation is to get what it wants at the lowest practicable cost, it would make sense to have a P3 arrangement where the cost of building the highway is reduced through efficiencies gained by tapping the private sector to accomplish what have historically been Government functions.  In return the Government reaps a net savings on design, construction, and maintenance of the highway, while the Contractor has the opportunity to implement process efficiencies over the life of the P3 arrangement, thereby increasing its profit margin with no added cost to the taxpayer or degradation in the quality of the products and services the Contractor provides.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on March 30, 2016, 10:49:05 AM
Just curious, how long is this section (Section 6)? My guess is approximately 25 miles, but I couldn't find anything online.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 30, 2016, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on March 30, 2016, 10:49:05 AM
Just curious, how long is this section (Section 6)? My guess is approximately 25 miles, but I couldn't find anything online.

I think you are correct, 25 miles sounds about right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 30, 2016, 01:01:43 PM
I think it'll end up being 26-27 miles depending on where they cut through for the interchange with I-465.

Remember, Section 5 ends right after the Indian Creek bridge south of Martinsville (before Old SR 37).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 30, 2016, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: thefro on March 30, 2016, 01:01:43 PM
I think it'll end up being 26-27 miles depending on where they cut through for the interchange with I-465.

Remember, Section 5 ends right after the Indian Creek bridge south of Martinsville (before Old SR 37).

Speaking of the I-465 interchange, that will be the most expensive part of Section 6.  I speculate that completing I-69 to I-465 will force INDOT to widen I-465 around the south side of Indianapolis (assuming it routes I-69 along the south and east legs of 465).  Right now I-465 is 3 lanes in each direction from I-65 to at least the SR-37 interchange; I ended up getting stuck in traffic on that section last summer driving from Fort Wayne to Mt. Vernon, Illinois. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on March 30, 2016, 06:52:57 PM
After Emerson it's 3 lanes all the way to 70 on the east side. Might force them to add another lane there too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 30, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
This will be good for the south side, I don't know how traffic flows down there on 465, but the south side is often ignored when it comes to highway construction (up until recently).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 30, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
I noticed this on INDOT's website for Section 6 last night, detailing options of the three alternatives for I-69 along SR 37.

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6_RPT_PASR_AppF%281%29.pdf

Exits are located in the usual spots: SR 39, SR 44 & 252, Henderson Ford Rd, SR 144/CR 144, Smith Valley, County Line, Southport and I-465, plus a couple showing exits for Ohio Street in Martinsville.

All options seem to show six lanes for I-69 north of SR 144 and eight lanes north of Southport, and new in this discussion, five lanes each side for I-465 from roughly Mann Road east to US 31, covering the exit with I-69. I figure the exit descriptions and all are subject to change as things progress but it should at least give us something to mull over.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 30, 2016, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 30, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
I noticed this on INDOT's website for Section 6 last night, detailing options of the three alternatives for I-69 along SR 37.

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6_RPT_PASR_AppF%281%29.pdf

Exits are located in the usual spots: SR 39, SR 44 & 252, Henderson Ford Rd, SR 144/CR 144, Smith Valley, County Line, Southport and I-465, plus a couple showing exits for Ohio Street in Martinsville.

All options seem to show six lanes for I-69 north of SR 144 and eight lanes north of Southport, and new in this discussion, five lanes each side for I-465 from roughly Mann Road east to US 31, covering the exit with I-69. I figure the exit descriptions and all are subject to change as things progress but it should at least give us something to mull over.

Good to see the SR 252 exit back, it was removed a while ago from previous proposals.  I'm not sure why 37 is shown as still splitting off 69 to tie into harding st.  They should remove the curved section and make harding street a straight segment and remove the curve all together,  all movements would be preserved by going to the interchange at 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: lordsutch on March 30, 2016, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2016, 07:38:36 PM
I'm not sure why 37 is shown as still splitting off 69 to tie into harding st.  They should remove the curved section and make harding street a straight segment and remove the curve all together,  all movements would be preserved by going to the interchange at 465.

It probably simplifies the construction staging to keep access to/from Harding Street. You can also save a bit of money by not needing as complex an interchange at I-465 - if you look at alternatives C-2 and C-3, which eliminate the direct connection between I-69 and Harding Street (although they do maintain the angled part down to Epler Avenue), you have to add some split ramps etc. to avoid serious mainline weaving since otherwise the interchanges would be too close together.

Also of interest in the designs: option C-1 uses a diverging diamond at Southport Road, and is also the most roundabout-happy design, using them at 3 interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on March 31, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2016, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 30, 2016, 07:28:37 PM
I noticed this on INDOT's website for Section 6 last night, detailing options of the three alternatives for I-69 along SR 37.

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6_RPT_PASR_AppF%281%29.pdf

Exits are located in the usual spots: SR 39, SR 44 & 252, Henderson Ford Rd, SR 144/CR 144, Smith Valley, County Line, Southport and I-465, plus a couple showing exits for Ohio Street in Martinsville.

All options seem to show six lanes for I-69 north of SR 144 and eight lanes north of Southport, and new in this discussion, five lanes each side for I-465 from roughly Mann Road east to US 31, covering the exit with I-69. I figure the exit descriptions and all are subject to change as things progress but it should at least give us something to mull over.

Good to see the SR 252 exit back, it was removed a while ago from previous proposals.  I'm not sure why 37 is shown as still splitting off 69 to tie into harding st.  They should remove the curved section and make harding street a straight segment and remove the curve all together,  all movements would be preserved by going to the interchange at 465.

I very much most like alternative C1, except that as you mention above, in the I-465 area Harding St should feed into Harding St with that entire crossover section of present-day IN 37 being vacated.  I would not object to a south-pointing half-interchange at I-69/Epler, though.  Even though there are some minor 'tweaks' that I would include in C1, the frontage and local road accesses along the rest of this part of I-69 away from I-465 are the simplest and most make sense in my mind in that alternative.

I would definitely communicate your thoughts on this to InDOT.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on March 31, 2016, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
This will be good for the south side, I don't know how traffic flows down there on 465, but the south side is often ignored when it comes to highway construction (up until recently).

You're right about the south side being ignored. I think it's been a decade since the last major work on that part of 465 was done.

My morning commute is too early to see major traffic, but in the afternoons it's pretty congested from where the I-70 ramps merge with the south/eastbound lanes until after Mann Road. There may be a let-up there, but it's often congested through to Harding Street. Going both ways the Harding St. exits are really busy -- they could really use a 1/2 mile or more exit only lane to relieve the stress on the right two lanes of through traffic. So many trucks exit there because of the major truck stop (formally stops, the Flying J burned down two weeks ago) that things slow down. The US-31 ramps are fairly smooth, but depending on the time of day the traffic may be backed up on the ramps for southbound 31. That's where I exit, so I'm not sure about the rest of the way, but I do know that times I've had to drive farther east that the traffic slows around I-65 until after the ramps merge.

I agree with a poster above that I-465 will need major upgrades on the south side to handle the new traffic the I-69 extension will bring. INDOT rebuilt the Harding St. interchanges a few years ago and they're still underpowered.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 31, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
I don't understand why they never made Harding Street more than just a diamond. They also need to remove all the entrance ramps that dump you in the fast lane with almost 0' of merging.
They should also sign SR 135 on the east St exit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on March 31, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 31, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
They also need to remove all the entrance ramps that dump you in the fast lane with almost 0' of merging.
They should also sign SR 135 on the east St exit.

I was surprised they didn't do something about that left-lane entrance ramp from I-65 when they re-did the rest of that interchange a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 31, 2016, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on March 31, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 31, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
They also need to remove all the entrance ramps that dump you in the fast lane with almost 0' of merging.
They should also sign SR 135 on the east St exit.

I was surprised they didn't do something about that left-lane entrance ramp from I-65 when they re-did the rest of that interchange a couple years ago.
I think they were, but cut it to save money, the current construction by even their admission was only solving half the problem.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 31, 2016, 04:49:27 PM
Well that's because they didn't rebuild the REST of the interchange, only the two movements from south I-65 to east I-465. I will admit that has helped from the past and while I can also say that Southsiders haven't been loved by INDOT forever, those commuting along I-65 might disagree. I read an article for Fox 59 a while back that stated that those left-hand exits and entrances at I-65 and US 31 along with the exit at 865 are the only reasons that I-465 still has a 55 MPH speed limit for the entire way around the beltway. SMH

These are the same people who rebuilt the Sherman Drive bridge in five years by the way.

Never thought about the SR 135 mention, but it couldn't hurt. Signage along that southern stretch of 465 from I-70 to I-65 is still old button-copy, presumably INDOT will update it someday and maybe that would be the time to include a "TO SR 135" mention.

As for the diamond interchange at Exit 4, I would guess the truck stops were the reason the exit wouldn't be rebuilt. That's the same reason I-69 isn't being routed up that way and is instead meeting I-465 a little to the west. Speaking of which, I wonder if the rebuild of Flying J is in limbo because of that. I think there's room for most of the property, but all of it?

And I will certainly concur with a need to make Harding Street run seamlessly with its two-lane counterpart to the south, considering traffic counts will be much lower south of Epler. But ramps connecting to Epler from the south wouldn't hurt. I suppose if nothing else they'll make sure that you can reach the Harding exit from the ramp system connecting I-69 to I-465.

Finally, looking at at the proposed exits for Southport and I-69. Why couldn't there be a folded diamond interchange with ramps in the northeast and southwest quadrants of that intersection. The ramps on the northeast side could connect with a stoplight at Winslet Blvd and the ramps on the southwest side could connect with one of the access roads into the commercial development on the northwest quadrant. I wouldn't say that nothing doesn't get destroyed this way (the BP station probably still goes) but I think it would do less damage. Otherwise that's it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 31, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
I remember that same news report and called bullshit on that. I don't believe those reasons why it is 55mph, noone goes that speed to begin with, and it hasn't been a problem.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on March 31, 2016, 07:58:28 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 31, 2016, 04:49:27 PM
Well that's because they didn't rebuild the REST of the interchange, only the two movements from south I-65 to east I-465. I will admit that has helped from the past and while I can also say that Southsiders haven't been loved by INDOT forever, those commuting along I-65 might disagree. I read an article for Fox 59 a while back that stated that those left-hand exits and entrances at I-65 and US 31 along with the exit at 865 are the only reasons that I-465 still has a 55 MPH speed limit for the entire way around the beltway. SMH

These are the same people who rebuilt the Sherman Drive bridge in five years by the way.

Never thought about the SR 135 mention, but it couldn't hurt. Signage along that southern stretch of 465 from I-70 to I-65 is still old button-copy, presumably INDOT will update it someday and maybe that would be the time to include a "TO SR 135" mention.

As for the diamond interchange at Exit 4, I would guess the truck stops were the reason the exit wouldn't be rebuilt. That's the same reason I-69 isn't being routed up that way and is instead meeting I-465 a little to the west. Speaking of which, I wonder if the rebuild of Flying J is in limbo because of that. I think there's room for most of the property, but all of it?

And I will certainly concur with a need to make Harding Street run seamlessly with its two-lane counterpart to the south, considering traffic counts will be much lower south of Epler. But ramps connecting to Epler from the south wouldn't hurt. I suppose if nothing else they'll make sure that you can reach the Harding exit from the ramp system connecting I-69 to I-465.

Finally, looking at at the proposed exits for Southport and I-69. Why couldn't there be a folded diamond interchange with ramps in the northeast and southwest quadrants of that intersection. The ramps on the northeast side could connect with a stoplight at Winslet Blvd and the ramps on the southwest side could connect with one of the access roads into the commercial development on the northwest quadrant. I wouldn't say that nothing doesn't get destroyed this way (the BP station probably still goes) but I think it would do less damage. Otherwise that's it.
While at the truck show in Louisville today, I asked someone from Pilot/Flying J about the Indy situation. He told me they will reopen the fuel pumps shortly, then rebuild "bigger and better" the store and restaurant. He seemed pretty sure of himself. I asked him about I 69/SR 37 announcement, but he got distracted by someone else.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on April 02, 2016, 10:11:21 AM
So when would construction start on Section 6?

Also, what is going on with the I-69 bridge over the Ohio River?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
I believe the tentative start is 2020 with completion of 2027.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on April 02, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
I believe the tentative start is 2020 with completion of 2027.

7 years to upgrade the existing SR 37 to interstate standards? Other than the system interchange with I-465, isn't it following the existing SR 37? I don't see why it would take that long (other than building the system interchange with I-465).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 02, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
The conversion of US 31 in Hamilton County from a four-lane expressway to a freeway was about five years, but Section 6 is a bit longer in distance.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 02, 2016, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 02, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
The conversion of US 31 in Hamilton County from a four-lane expressway to a freeway was about five years, but Section 6 is a bit longer in distance.

I was thinking it would be 3 to 4 years at most similar to section 5.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 02, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: I-39 on April 02, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
I believe the tentative start is 2020 with completion of 2027.

7 years to upgrade the existing SR 37 to interstate standards? Other than the system interchange with I-465, isn't it following the existing SR 37? I don't see why it would take that long (other than building the system interchange with I-465).

there is absolutely nothing done on this route, no design, no companies picked, nothing.  The permits and environmental must be done at this point, but the design will take time, and construction. And remember they don't have the funds yet. So yes, I buy their 2020 estimate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on April 03, 2016, 10:42:36 AM
It wasn't "3 to 4 years" with Section 5 - or any section. Preparing an alignment, conducting an EIS/amended EIS, acquiring ROW and then construction has been ongoing for years. Upgrading an existing facility requires the same steps - and can take longer to complete since you have to work with traffic that is using the facility.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 03, 2016, 01:42:50 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on April 03, 2016, 10:42:36 AM
It wasn't "3 to 4 years" with Section 5 - or any section. Preparing an alignment, conducting an EIS/amended EIS, acquiring ROW and then construction has been ongoing for years. Upgrading an existing facility requires the same steps - and can take longer to complete since you have to work with traffic that is using the facility.

I was talking about just the construction. It seems to me that 7 years is a long time to construct that last section. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on April 03, 2016, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on March 30, 2016, 10:49:05 AM
Just curious, how long is this section (Section 6)? My guess is approximately 25 miles, but I couldn't find anything online.

According to http://www.buildi69.com/?page_id=86 (http://www.buildi69.com/?page_id=86), Section 6 is approximately 26 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on April 04, 2016, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 02, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: I-39 on April 02, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
I believe the tentative start is 2020 with completion of 2027.

7 years to upgrade the existing SR 37 to interstate standards? Other than the system interchange with I-465, isn't it following the existing SR 37? I don't see why it would take that long (other than building the system interchange with I-465).

there is absolutely nothing done on this route, no design, no companies picked, nothing.  The permits and environmental must be done at this point, but the design will take time, and construction. And remember they don't have the funds yet. So yes, I buy their 2020 estimate.

Don't forget the lawsuits, the protesters and the like! That will slow things down also.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on April 04, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
Section 6 may be divided into more than one construction contract, due to cost considerations.  It may be constructed in sub-sections.  That in-turn may stretch the construction time, notwithstanding the almost inevitable lawsuits from NIMBY's, environmentalists, etc.  Also, I am sure INDOT is being conservative in their estimates of construction time, this many years out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 04, 2016, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 02, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: I-39 on April 02, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
I believe the tentative start is 2020 with completion of 2027.

7 years to upgrade the existing SR 37 to interstate standards? Other than the system interchange with I-465, isn't it following the existing SR 37? I don't see why it would take that long (other than building the system interchange with I-465).

there is absolutely nothing done on this route, no design, no companies picked, nothing.  The permits and environmental must be done at this point, but the design will take time, and construction. And remember they don't have the funds yet. So yes, I buy their 2020 estimate.

I'm optimistic about Section 6 and its start and completion dates. INDOT is expecting the  Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS)–which will set the specific alignment of the road, the location and types of interchanges and overpasses, etc.–to be released in the first quarter of 2017. That's now less than a year away. The FHWA Record of Decision (ROD), the final approval of the FEIS preferred alternative and "green" light to begin design, land acquisition and construction, is expected the first quarter of 2018. The ROD cannot be released until funding has been identified and secured. If the ROD is indeed released as planned, construction of Section 6 should begin in earnest by the spring of 2020 at the latest.

Will the construction and maintenance of Section 6 once again involve a private-public partnership (PPP or 3P) similar to what was set up for Section 5? Probably. Will the Spanish firm Isolux Corsán, the prime contractor of Section 5, aggressively bid to win the Section 6 contract? Most certainly. Will it take until 2027 for Section 6 to complete? Probably not. But a five year built-out is reasonable, bringing the completion date to 2025. Keep it mind that Section 6 is very similar to Section 5, aside from the complex system interchange with I-465.

While there may be some Nimby-ism, and an occasional lawsuit from environmentalists and property owners, Section 6, on the whole, should move steadily toward construction and completion. Why shouldn't it? It's only an upgrade of an existing 4-lane divided highway. Something like 80% of responses INDOT received concerning the routing of Section 6 supported the State Road 37 option. Moreover, the powers that be in Martinsville and Greenwood are firmly on board, and the opposition from certain legislators in the State House has been resolved. Will there be some unhappiness at the SR 37 routing decision? Of course. But it's nearly impossible to please everyone.

At this point, Section 6 is all but a done deal, with only the specific design elements and the financials to be worked out.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 04, 2016, 07:12:53 PM
Here's some pics of Section 5. Photos were taken April 3, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Rockport Road overpass toward the future Fullerton Pike interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. Bridge beams are in now place and construction of the deck is well underway.

I-69 Development Partners; Isolux Corsán, prime contractor (Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 5).


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The Fullerton Pike overpass; looking slightly northeast.


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Close-up of the Fullerton Pike overpass; looking northeast.


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Construction of the Fullerton Pike bridge deck; looking east.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1459/26131525462_78217bebb5_k.jpg)
Another perspective of the Fullerton Pike bridge deck; looking southeast.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1442/26157669701_71a21d14c8_k.jpg)
Looking north from the west abutment of the Fullerton Pike overpass. Just around the bend is the State Road 37/Tapp Road intersection where another I-69 interchange is planned. But before construction on the Tapp Road interchange can begin, construction must first complete at Fullerton Pike. Of interest is the median barrier wall [pictured], which will be present all the way from the I-69/SR 37 interchange to the I-69/Sample Road interchange, about 5 miles north.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on April 05, 2016, 10:09:46 AM
 per the Greenwood Chamber of Commerce. SR 37 has been chosen as the route from Martinsville to 465
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 05, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
http://www.news-sentinel.com/news/state/Indiana-pays-over--184M-for-properties-along-I-69-route

QuoteConstruction on the last section is expected to take two to seven years, depending on the design and how quickly funding is acquired, and would be set to open between 2022 and 2027.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 06, 2016, 02:37:00 AM
"Contract Disputes Halt Some Work on I-69 Section 5"

That's the front-page headline of an article which appeared in the April 5 edition of Bloomington's daily newspaper, the "Herald Times." Apparently, a subcontractor (or perhaps two) for prime contractor Isolux Corsán USA isn't being paid in a timely manner and, as a result, some work has been halted on Section 5. Because the H-T article is behind a paywall, in the spirit of fair use here's some of the pertinent parts:

Though work along Section 5 has not stopped completely, [Gary] Vandegriff [operations and maintenance manager with I-69 Development Partners] acknowledged in a Friday interview there has been "a gap in production of some of the contractors."  He did not elaborate.

The issues began some time within the last 30 days, Vandegriff said. However, he would not provide details of the conflict, saying it was between Isolux Corsan USA and its subcontractors.

State department of transportation spokesman Scott Manning said Monday the department is aware of the issues, which relate to delayed payment.

He [Manning] also could not say which subcontractors were affected by the delay, but he noted most work being done this time of year involves earth-moving operations.

Despite the contractual issues, Manning said, no subcontractors have walked off the job.

Vandegriff said there is still a lot of work to be done, but he expects the project to be finished on time.



Please note: The information in the brackets above was added by me for clarification. 

Certainly, not a positive development for Section 5 and for prime contractor Isolux Corsán USA. But, at the same time, this is nothing particularly unusual in the construction industry. Let's hope the issues can be resolved soon so work can resume at the normal full pace.

Link to the article [only available to H-T subscribers]:
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/contract-disputes-halt-some-work-on-i--section/article_8af2a254-ed8b-5c9d-9c1c-5f7649731efe.html

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheStranger on April 06, 2016, 01:39:01 PM
I got to drive part of the new I-69 a few days ago, from SR 37 in Bloomington to SR 45 (a little bit of a detour on my way back to Louisville on Friday night).

Are there any more exits planned for that stretch of road or will the long gaps between interchanges remain?  And is the signage lacking any control cities at those interchanges (SR 445, SR 45) permanent?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 06, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
The long gaps between exits will remain, but where else do you think there should be exits? The Monroe County stretch of exits is designed to prevent any development in that part of the county, as far as some of the people there know having the highway there is bad enough. Besides, it's a fairly low-populated area, that and eastern Greene County, where the rest of the I-69 passes through. As for the lack of control cities at SR 445 and SR 45, again, what do you think those cities would be. There are really no actual communities around those highway, very small spots that don't even qualify as being CPDs. While I always like there to be a control point, for these two exits I can understand it, those exits are more for very local traffic than anything else, they'd be the equivalent of saying "Ranch Road" or something to that effect.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheStranger on April 06, 2016, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 06, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
The long gaps between exits will remain, but where else do you think there should be exits?

I was thinking at SR 54 (I ended up taking SR 45 south to SR 58 east to get back to SR 37 south).  Not a necessity so much as just another access point to a rural road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 06, 2016, 07:09:52 PM
It's also only a mile or so away from the SR 45 exit (and with the whole rule about exits not being less than a mile apart) plus there is a bit of an elevation difference between SR 54 and I-69. I'd honestly just have a connector road between the two highways just north or south of the SR 45 exit, but as you said this isn't a necessity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on April 06, 2016, 08:45:17 PM
I'd say that the control points for SR 45 and 445 could be Bloomington, which is the only substantial city SR 45 goes through. Besides, it's a back way to get there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on April 06, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 06, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
As for the lack of control cities at SR 445 and SR 45, again, what do you think those cities would be. There are really no actual communities around those highway, very small spots that don't even qualify as being CPDs. While I always like there to be a control point, for these two exits I can understand it, those exits are more for very local traffic than anything else, they'd be the equivalent of saying "Ranch Road" or something to that effect.

SR 445 should have Bloomfield and/or Linton as control cities. Bloomfield is the county seat of Greene County. Linton is in Greene County and has over twice as many people as Bloomfield. I assume both the extension of SR 445 and the construction of the exit there was primarily to serve these two cities.  SR 45 is probably mostly to serve Crane, but that is not the main entrance so I am not sure what else they could do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on April 06, 2016, 09:51:30 PM
For SR 45 I'd probably use Cincinnati / Owensburg as the control cities and for SR 445 I'd probably use Bloomfield (and maybe Cincinnati).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on April 06, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 06, 2016, 09:51:30 PM
For SR 45 I'd probably use Cincinnati / Owensburg as the control cities and for SR 445 I'd probably use Bloomfield (and maybe Cincinnati).
At first I thought you meant Cincinnati, Ohio, but then I realized there's a Cincinnati in Indiana.  :pan:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 06, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
Which is probably why they aren't signing Cincinnati on the highway signs. You can't even really find a population figure for Cincinnati, Indiana, it's that small. Going back to this. Southbound on I-69, Bloomfield could be the control for SR 445, maybe even Linton. Owensburg could work for SR 45 (of course people may confuse that for Owensboro, and the next exit US 231 DOES take you to that city. Northbound on I-69, the only control I could think of for either SR 445 or SR 45 that no one has thought of, Stanford, along SR 45 in southwest Monroe County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 07, 2016, 10:25:51 AM
Yup, it's an unincorporated place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Indiana) that's part of Center Township (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_Township,_Greene_County,_Indiana) in Greene County (population 3,535). As a side note: The town of Cincinnati got its name when a visitor from the large city of the same name told the innkeeper that the hills and whiskey reminded him of his hometown.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 08, 2016, 08:37:14 AM
Fitch has downgraded the ratings on the Indiana Finance Authority/I-69 Development Partners LLC bonds to BBB- (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160407006213/en/Fitch-Downgrades-Indiana-Finance-Auths-PABs-BBB-)

They also say the substantial completion date for Section 5 is now June 2017, which is something that hasn't been disclosed by INDOT or on the I-69 Section 5 project website, but presumably was in some of Isolux's documents.

Quote from: Fitch RatingsNEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Fitch Ratings has downgraded the Indiana Finance Authority's private activity bonds (PABs) issued on behalf of I-69 Development Partners LLC (I-69 DP) for the I-69 Section 5 project to 'BBB-'. Fitch has also placed the bonds on Rating Watch Negative.

The downgrade reflects the deteriorating credit quality of Isolux Corsan SA (Isolux), parent of the construction contractor, Corsan-Corviam Construccion SA, whose rating was revised to 'B-'/Rating Watch Negative on Feb. 12, 2016. This followed an earlier downgrade of Isolux on Dec. 7, 2015 to 'B'/Rating Watch Negative.

The downgrade further reflects a projected eight month delay to substantial completion, initially expected in October 2016, which was disclosed in the most recent construction update published in March 2016. In Fitch's opinion the material delay in substantial completion implies a greater exposure to the credit quality of the construction guarantor. The Rating Watch Negative on the PABs reflects the Rating Watch Negative on the construction guarantor's ratings. Fitch believes, based on all information it has received, that the revised substantial completion date of June 28, 2017 is achievable given that all material permits have now been approved.

Quote from: Fitch RatingsSince Fitch's last review, I-69 DP has disclosed significant construction delays. In the January 2016 construction update published March 3, 2016, it was stated that it will not be realistically possible to meet the current substantial completion date of Oct. 31, 2016 and that I-69 DP, IFA and design-build contractor had agreed to a revised substantial completion date of June 28, 2017, reflecting an eight-month delay to the original substantial completion date and just four months ahead of the project's longstop completion date.

Reasons for the construction delays primarily relate to obtaining necessary rail road permits as well as the updating and modification of 404 other permits required for works at multiple locations. Such permitting issues have held up construction start as well as the flow of the work. Fitch understands that all material permits relating to the project have now been received and that construction is progressing in accordance with the revised schedule. They also reflect geotechnical issues faced by the project at two sites as a result of the discovery of unexpected karst features, for which Fitch understands the project company has requested a relief event.

According to the project company, construction is progressing in line with the revised schedule, and it was possible for some works to be progressed during the winter. Assuming the schedule is met, at the start of 2016/17 winter, remaining works will primarily relate to paving, striping and signage work - while such works can't progress during winter months, Fitch views such works as being relatively straightforward and would not expect them to be the source of any additional delays during 2017. Importantly, remaining earthworks and most remaining structural work should be completed before the start of winter 2016/17.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on April 11, 2016, 12:59:16 PM
Only one notch from junk!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on April 11, 2016, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 11, 2016, 12:59:16 PM
Only one notch from junk!

Yes, but the contractor is still on the hook to get the work done in the time specified.  Perhaps an advantage of the DBFOM model is that it transfers the project's risk from the taxpayer to the contractor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 13, 2016, 10:53:14 AM
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--section-completion-delayed-to-june/article_55eaf1de-24ff-5380-b7d7-c22f17dca65e.html

Bloomington Herald-Times has confirmed with INDOT what Fitch reported in its ratings downgrade.

Quote

Section 5 of Interstate 69 won't be finished until at least summer 2017, nearly eight months after the original expected completion date.

Until this point, officials with I-69 Development Partners said they expected the project to be finished by October 2016. Now, the project isn't expected to be completed until June 28, 2017, according to an email from Will Wingfield, Indiana Department of Transportation spokesma

Rest is behind the paywall.

I don't have an issue with them delaying things, but it seems pretty shady that this news came out through Fitch and wasn't publicly reported.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on April 13, 2016, 11:08:38 AM
Traveled to Indy this past weekend. A couple of the BGS bit the dust, presumably from the windstorm we had a couple weeks ago. I also glad to see the stop light at US231 and SR45/58 just south of the interchange had been removed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 14, 2016, 08:52:06 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160413/news/304139877/

QuoteBLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- State highway officials have pushed back the expected completion date for a section of southern Indiana's Interstate 69 extension by at least eight months.

Developers initially expected to complete the 21-mile stretch between Bloomington and Martinsville by October 2016, The (Bloomington) Herald-Times (http://bit.ly/1YtB7Jv ) reported. But now the section of highway isn't expected to be completed until late June 2017.

Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman Will Wingfield said the delay will not affect the cost of the project for taxpayers. He referred requests about the delay to I-69 Development Partners, which was hired by the department to design, build and finance the section of highway.

The newspaper's attempts for comment from I-69 Development Partners about the delay were unsuccessful Tuesday.

Last week, I-69 Development Partners operations and maintenance manager Gary Vandegriff said disputes between the design-build contractor, Isolux Corsan, and its subcontractors halted some work on the project. He said the contract issues began sometime within the past 30 days, but he declined to provide details about the conflict, saying it was between the contractor and its subcontractors.

Department of Transportation spokesman Scott Manning said last week that the dispute relates to delayed payments. He said the contracts between Isolux and its subcontractors stipulate that full payment should be made within 10 days of completion of a job, but it was more in the 60- to 90-day range in some cases.

Manning said he wasn't aware of why the payments were delayed or which subcontractors were affected. But he said most of the work that's being done at this time of year involved earth-moving operations.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on April 14, 2016, 04:46:51 PM
I drove on 37 from Tapp Road to SR 46 yesterday. So I'm guessing that INDOT changed their minds again and is going to leave the SR 45 (Bloomfield Rd) interchange alone?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 14, 2016, 07:33:56 PM
Well, INDOT wanted to change it, but the I-69 Development Partners group decided not to and just leave it alone with an auxiliary lane between SR 45 and Tapp Road. It's one less interchange they have to deal with.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 14, 2016, 09:41:14 PM
well there was nothing wrong with it, so why change it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 18, 2016, 06:45:07 AM
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/04/15/indot-tells--69-contractor-pay-bills/83093784/

QuoteThe lead contractor on the fifth leg of the I-69 project has been as much as nine months late paying subcontractors dating to last summer and has been threatened with legal action by the Indiana Department of Transportation, state transportation officials said Friday.

INDOT hand-delivered a notice of "failure to cause prompt payment"  to contractor Isolux Corsan, which snagged the $329 million contract to design, build and maintain the 21-mile stretch of I-69 from Bloomington to Martinsville.

"We understand that contract invoices have not been paid more than nine month after submittal,"  read the letter, dated March 31, which demands that payment be made by May 2. If Isolux doesn't make the payments, INDOT can sue the company for breach of contract or require that it increase its insurance payments to ensure that the subcontractors get paid.

"Not making prompt payment is concerning to us,"  said INDOT Chief of Staff Chris Kiefer.

The alleged late payments come on the heels of an announcement of an eight-month delay in completion of the project caused by problems obtaining utility and environmental permits in a timely manner. The project was supposed to be finished near the end of this year but has been pushed back to the end of July 2017.

INDOT officials said the delay will not push back the building of Section 6, from Martinsville to Indianapolis, which would open in 2022 at the earliest. Officials also said the delay in the opening of Section 5 had nothing to do with the late payments by Isolux.

Indiana Public Finance Director Dan Huge said some of the approximately 35 subcontractors told INDOT that they were not getting paid on time, which can slow progress of construction because companies need cash flow to keep buying materials and paying their workers for the next task.  INDOT officials said six to 10 companies were paid late.

Although Kiefer said he knew of no subcontractors that had stopped working or walked off the job because of slow payments, one subcontractor said he knew of several that had ceased working.

"Some have chosen to stop work,"  said Harold Force, president of Force Construction, Columbus. "You can drive along the highway and see the equipment."

Force said his company has been paid late but has not slowed down or stopped. Force is building or rebuilding 30 bridges along the route.

"There have been problems with payments, and we and other firms have been part of that,"  Force said. IndyStar was unable to reach any firms that Force said had stopped working.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 19, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
CARR not giving up on stopping I-69... new fluff piece
http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/One-couple-tells-story-of-figh_1460592839

QuoteAfter more than a decade of fighting Interstate 69 and then watching it plow through their land anyway, a southside couple thought they were done.

Then Bill and Jan Boyd got notice that their home off Stop 11 Road, near Bluff Road, was within the 2,000-foot study area for the final leg of I-69 planned to run along State Road 37 through Johnson and Marion counties. They already had to give up nearly 14 acres of their family farm in Greene County to Section 4 of I-69.

The Boyds won't lose their home or any of their property to the interstate this time.

But they already know what I-69 brings to an area: traffic, noise, light and air pollution and a change to the feel of a neighborhood, they said.

"Those are the kind of things people don't realize. It is going to happen,"  Bill Boyd said.

The couple's battle with I-69 began more than 10 years ago, when they learned their 47.5-acre family farm near Bloomfield was in the path of the interstate. The farm has been in their family for nearly 100 years. Bill and Jan Boyd bought the property from Jan Boyd's grandmother and then another 12 acres to add to it.

They were already opposed to the state's plan to build a new interstate. They questioned the need for I-69 and the route the state had chosen. They attended meeting after meeting, speaking emphatically against the state's plans.

QuoteAnd now that the road is built, their fight continues. Their property is getting sediment and runoff it has never before had problems with. The state has been on their property a few times to clean up or try to fix the damage, but the problem continues.

Access to their property and others nearby has also changed because certain roads were cut off when the interstate was built. For one of their neighbors, a few minute drive to get to another nearby road has now turned into a 15-minute trip, they said.

They also have the noise, sound and sight of a massive interstate a few hundred feet from their doorstep. It's a sickening sight and has caused them to avoid going to the property that used to be their retreat, they said.

And they are dreading being so close to the interstate again in their southside home. Bluff Road has always been an easy route into downtown but won't be anymore. And other roads will constantly be congested with traffic, they said.

"People in Johnson and Marion counties, this is what you can expect unless we stop this project,"  Bill Boyd said.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 19, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: thefro on April 19, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
CARR not giving up on stopping I-69... new fluff piece
http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/local_story/One-couple-tells-story-of-figh_1460592839

QuoteAfter more than a decade of fighting Interstate 69 and then watching it plow through their land anyway, a southside couple thought they were done.

Then Bill and Jan Boyd got notice that their home off Stop 11 Road, near Bluff Road, was within the 2,000-foot study area for the final leg of I-69 planned to run along State Road 37 through Johnson and Marion counties. They already had to give up nearly 14 acres of their family farm in Greene County to Section 4 of I-69.

The Boyds won't lose their home or any of their property to the interstate this time.

But they already know what I-69 brings to an area: traffic, noise, light and air pollution and a change to the feel of a neighborhood, they said.

"Those are the kind of things people don't realize. It is going to happen,"  Bill Boyd said.

The couple's battle with I-69 began more than 10 years ago, when they learned their 47.5-acre family farm near Bloomfield was in the path of the interstate. The farm has been in their family for nearly 100 years. Bill and Jan Boyd bought the property from Jan Boyd's grandmother and then another 12 acres to add to it.

They were already opposed to the state's plan to build a new interstate. They questioned the need for I-69 and the route the state had chosen. They attended meeting after meeting, speaking emphatically against the state's plans.

QuoteAnd now that the road is built, their fight continues. Their property is getting sediment and runoff it has never before had problems with. The state has been on their property a few times to clean up or try to fix the damage, but the problem continues.

Access to their property and others nearby has also changed because certain roads were cut off when the interstate was built. For one of their neighbors, a few minute drive to get to another nearby road has now turned into a 15-minute trip, they said.

They also have the noise, sound and sight of a massive interstate a few hundred feet from their doorstep. It's a sickening sight and has caused them to avoid going to the property that used to be their retreat, they said.

And they are dreading being so close to the interstate again in their southside home. Bluff Road has always been an easy route into downtown but won't be anymore. And other roads will constantly be congested with traffic, they said.

"People in Johnson and Marion counties, this is what you can expect unless we stop this project,"  Bill Boyd said.

they won't stop bitching until the 465/69 interchange is finished in the 2020s. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on April 19, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
That's a nice way to label someone who has different opinions than you.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 19, 2016, 11:36:43 PM
It does suck for them that they have had to give up their land twice for two different sections.

But, did they not realize that it was a pretty good possibility that the state was going to use the 37 highway route for the upgrade?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 20, 2016, 10:27:09 AM
Talk about fighting a battle that's already lost!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 20, 2016, 01:49:44 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on April 19, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
That's a nice way to label someone who has different opinions than you.

I have sympathy for them, but this isn't really an objective article for something that went out over the AP wire.

Also given what I've heard about people driving Section 4, I doubt the traffic is heavy enough for the road to be a "sickening sight", nor will all the other roads magically fill up with more traffic once they complete upgrades on Section 6.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on April 20, 2016, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: thefro on April 20, 2016, 01:49:44 PM
...this isn't really an objective article for something that went out over the AP wire.

News (AP or otherwise) not objective!?! Say it isn't so!  :wow:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 21, 2016, 07:28:51 PM
their opinions don't matter anymore, they lost, they need to move on, the road isn't going anywhere. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on May 03, 2016, 02:04:09 PM
I visited the I-69 Section 5 website today, and noticed that the 3P Development Partners/Contractor finally updated the posted construction schedule to reflect the recent news stories regarding the construction issues and delays.  The new schedule now shows the construction to be essentially finished around May/June of 2017.  Given all that needed to be done to convert this section of SR37 to interstate standards, I often thought that the original schedule was optimistic.

If I did this correctly, here is a link to the website: http://www.i69section5.org/

If the contractor is still on track, it looks like the Fullerton Pike Interchange and Kinser Pike Overpass should be opening in June.  They've already posted the detour route for Tapp Road, which states that the detour will be in effect once the Fullerton Pike Interchange is opened to traffic.

It's getting there...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: noelbotevera on May 04, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
Can't I-69 be routed through Indianapolis? Various stubs, ROW, and interchanges (especially the missing Exit 112B on I-65) exist that were meant for I-69. Why did they string it on the beltway, even though they had prepared it for I-69, to have it go through Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 04, 2016, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 04, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
Can't I-69 be routed through Indianapolis? Various stubs, ROW, and interchanges (especially the missing Exit 112B on I-65) exist that were meant for I-69. Why did they string it on the beltway, even though they had prepared it for I-69, to have it go through Indianapolis?

There was probably opposition from the citizens of Indianapolis of having another highway go through the middle of the city. Plus it would be a lot cheaper to tag it on I-465 as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ysuindy on May 04, 2016, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on May 04, 2016, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 04, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
Can't I-69 be routed through Indianapolis? Various stubs, ROW, and interchanges (especially the missing Exit 112B on I-65) exist that were meant for I-69. Why did they string it on the beltway, even though they had prepared it for I-69, to have it go through Indianapolis?

There was probably opposition from the citizens of Indianapolis of having another highway go through the middle of the city. Plus it would be a lot cheaper to tag it on I-465 as well.

That ship sailed decades ago.  There was zero discussion about routing I-69 through Indianapolis.  The money isn't there and neither is the appetite to build it.   

There has been discussion of mass transit through that corridor (light rail) but that's all it been.  Discussion.

There are many more pressing infrastructure needs in Indiana that I-69 through the Northeast side IMO.


Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on May 04, 2016, 05:31:40 PM
Plus, when INDOT did the  Hyperfix project in downtown Indy, they eliminated some of the stubs that were planned for I 69 when it was originally designed.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 04, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
it would be great to have 69 go downtown it sucks trying to get there from the north east side
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on May 10, 2016, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 04, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
it would be great to have 69 go downtown it sucks trying to get there from the north east side
There won't be any more interstates built inside I-465. Very likely that I-69 will be routed up the east side on I-465; I can't imagine it going through town on I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 10, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: westerninterloper on May 10, 2016, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 04, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
it would be great to have 69 go downtown it sucks trying to get there from the north east side
There won't be any more interstates built inside I-465. Very likely that I-69 will be routed up the east side on I-465; I can't imagine it going through town on I-70.
That's exactly what they're going to do, but I was just saying how I wish they would route it through the city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 15, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
Article in the Bloomington Herald-Times (behind paywall), mentions that the contract dispute that stopped some Section 5 construction is now resolved and crews are back to work.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/crews-back-at-work-on-i--section/article_da4ef549-9556-5c8d-8b7f-6078376c8ee0.html

QuoteThere's still at least a year's worth of construction left, but for now, contractual issues that caused some work in Section 5 of what will be Interstate 69 to stop earlier this spring have been resolved.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on May 15, 2016, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: thefro on May 15, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
Article in the Bloomington Herald-Times (behind paywall), mentions that the contract dispute that stopped some Section 5 construction is now resolved and crews are back to work.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/crews-back-at-work-on-i--section/article_da4ef549-9556-5c8d-8b7f-6078376c8ee0.html

QuoteThere's still at least a year's worth of construction left, but for now, contractual issues that caused some work in Section 5 of what will be Interstate 69 to stop earlier this spring have been resolved.


I hope that's the case. Last few times I've traveled that stretch over the past couple months, work seemed to have stopped or slowed from the crossover to Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on May 17, 2016, 08:51:17 AM
Bloomington Bicycle Club wants a pedestrian overpass on future I-69 in Bloomington between 2nd & 3rd street. (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/bloomington-bicycle-club-pushes-i69-pedestrian-bridge-98982/)

Not sure who this benefits except cyclists.

Keep in mind there's already going to be a bunch of multi-use paths on the new exits & overpasses downtown, including ones on 2nd & 3rd street. (https://www.scribd.com/doc/312822427/I-69-Section-5-Pedestrian-Paths#fullscreen)

Here's what they say, anyway

QuoteBut President of the Bloomington Bicycle Club Jim Schroeder says the community needs another option.

"Those facilities are great except they're still five feet away from very fast moving traffic,"  Schroeder says. "And studies have shown that 90 percent of our population in this country are very scared of mixing that walking or biking with motor vehicle traffic."

Schroeder says he wants the bridge for cyclists and pedestrians to cross over I-69 between Second and Third Streets.

That's an idea Tim Gehres likes. He lives on the west side and says the city needs a safe route for cyclists and pedestrians to get across town.

"When I commute over to the east side, I go across Third Street, and it's a very tricky process of getting across there without getting hit,"  he says.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 17, 2016, 08:52:58 AM
Quote from: thefro on May 17, 2016, 08:51:17 AM
Bloomington Bicycle Club wants a pedestrian overpass on future I-69 in Bloomington between 2nd & 3rd street. (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/bloomington-bicycle-club-pushes-i69-pedestrian-bridge-98982/)

Not sure who this benefits except cyclists.

Keep in mind there's already going to be a bunch of multi-use paths on the new exits & overpasses downtown, including ones on 2nd & 3rd street. (https://www.scribd.com/doc/312822427/I-69-Section-5-Pedestrian-Paths#fullscreen)

Here's what they say, anyway

QuoteBut President of the Bloomington Bicycle Club Jim Schroeder says the community needs another option.

"Those facilities are great except they're still five feet away from very fast moving traffic,"  Schroeder says. "And studies have shown that 90 percent of our population in this country are very scared of mixing that walking or biking with motor vehicle traffic."

Schroeder says he wants the bridge for cyclists and pedestrians to cross over I-69 between Second and Third Streets.

That's an idea Tim Gehres likes. He lives on the west side and says the city needs a safe route for cyclists and pedestrians to get across town.

"When I commute over to the east side, I go across Third Street, and it's a very tricky process of getting across there without getting hit,"  he says.
Well why won't he pay for it then? This is a waste of money
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on May 17, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
Quote

Well why won't he pay for it then? This is a waste of money

Says who? You? Why not extend this logic to the entire interstate? Should not the interstate's supporters have been forced to pay for it instead of reaching into everyone's pockets?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 17, 2016, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on May 17, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
Quote

Well why won't he pay for it then? This is a waste of money

Says who? You? Why not extend this logic to the entire interstate? Should not the interstate's supporters have been forced to pay for it instead of reaching into everyone's pockets?

The interstate IS needed, and has been since interstates were originally proposed, and the people who want the highway DID pay for it through taxes, so your point is irrelevant.  If you're so against it, don't use it, but I doubt you or any of the other people against it will do that.  The bike crossing is a waste of money since there is adequate access for bikes to cross 69.  And guess what? we all pay for things we don't like sometimes, it's part of living in a civilized society, this project is beneficial to the state as a whole.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 31, 2016, 02:13:52 AM
Here's a short rundown on Section 5's progress:

- Beams are in now in place for the Liberty Church Road overpass and future interchange in Morgan County, Indiana. They were set during the evenings of May 24 and 25.
- The beams for the Vernal Pike overpass in Bloomington, Monroe County, were also recently set.
- Work continues on the improvements to the Kinser Pike roadway and bridge approaches; the Kinser Pike overpass itself is complete
- The reconstructed SR 37 northbound bridge over Bryant Creek in northern Monroe County is complete, but only one lane is being utilized at this time; work will soon shift to the southbound bridge
- Work continues at Fullerton Pike for the future interchange; the overpass itself is well on the way toward completion, but the deck has yet to poured. Crews also have begun work on the short access road, connecting Fullerton Pike to S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. (It very well might be finished; I didn't have the time to check it out Memorial Day.) This short stretch of new pavement must be completed and opened to traffic before the old Fullerton Pike/S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. intersection can be closed, followed by construction of the interchange's western traffic circle.
- Crews have made good progress prepping the median of State Road 37 north of SR 46 for the added 3rd travel lanes. Evidently, instead of a concrete barrier wall in this area, the traffic lanes will be separated by a cable barrier (that's according to the Herald-Times article referenced in an earlier post).
- Full-blown work has yet to kick off at Sample Road for either the bridge or interchange; while utility work continues, work on the new terrain access roads has started. In early June, Sample Road will be closed west of SR 37. This could be due to more utility work in the area or the actual start of work on the interchange and bridge.
- Work continues on expanding the SR 37 mainline bridges over the CSX railroad for the added 3rd travel lanes
- Work also continues on expanding the SR 37 mainline bridges over Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek, and the Beanblossom Overflow
- No work at Tapp Road, aside from utility relocation; the Fullerton Pike interchange must complete and be open to traffic before full-blown work can begin at Tapp Road
- No work at the future Chambers Pike overpass; utility relocation activity might still be ongoing

Before I put up some pics, a few observations. Already the official schedule for completion has been pushed to June 2017. This to me, and to my untrained eyes, is overly optimistic. A lot of work remains, and the Tapp Road interchange, a major project, may not kick off until the end of summer. Substantially completing Section 5 by December 2017 seems more likely, but to even hit that may be somewhat challenging. The initial schedule was, frankly, totally unrealistic. Why it was approved is beyond me.

If Isolux Corsán USA, the prime contractor, can finish by the end of 2016 the Kinser Pike and Vernal Pike overpasses, and complete and open the Fullerton Pike interchange, they'll be in pretty good shape. That will allow 2017 to be devoted to the Tapp Road interchange and the Chambers Pike overpass, as well as the completion of the interchanges at Sample Road and Liberty Church Road and their accompanying access roads.

Crews are working steadily and good progress is apparent. The work slowdown due to the sub-contractor dispute is over, as noted in earlier posts, but the aftereffects on the project's timetable have yet to determined, at least publicly. To say the least, it was not positive. And spending thousands on overtime to catch up doesn't seem feasible; only so much can be done per day. Moreover, the wet month of May didn't do the project any favors.

Let's go to the pics. Photos were taken May 30th, Memorial Day, unless otherwise noted.

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The Liberty Church Road overpass and interchange in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast. Beams were put into place during the nights of May 24 and 25.

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State Road 37 and the western abutment of the Liberty Church Road overpass; looking north.

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Another perspective of the Liberty Church Road overpass; looking southeast.

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Near the location of the soil compacting machine, initial work has started has started on the access roads connecting into the Liberty Church Road interchanges; looking northwest.

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Slabs of State Road 37 pavement that were cut from the roadway as part of the Section 5 pavement patching program are piled up near the Liberty Church Road work zone; looking north.

Of interest is how the saw used to cut the concrete also cleanly sliced through the rebar.


More photos to come.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 31, 2016, 05:02:18 AM
I traveled through this area yesterday, all the way down to Evansville and noticed a couple of new changes along the already completed sections of I-69.

-A new firetruck entrance onto the interstate from one of the roads that the interstate crosses in Monroe County. I forget what road, but there is now a gravel pathway that leads from the interstate up to the road with gates at both the road and the highway and a sign that flashes if a firetruck in in the area. I know Monroe County was talking about ways to access the highway in the event they needed to get on and didn't want to access the exits. Needless to say that I never have seen this kind of setup before in Indiana.

-Overpasses in Daviess County now have signs indicating the name of the road passing over the highway, which is standard for Indiana freeways. I believe reading something that Daviess County wanted this but I still can't guess why the other counties don't or why INDOT doesn't put them in to at least keep this interstate consistent with other Indiana interstates.

-This is more for the I-69 in KY thread, but I went as far as the northern end of I-69 in Henderson and saw no signage that directed travelers from the south end of I-69 in Evansville to use US 41 to Henderson and vice versa, no signage directing them north. For locals I'm sure it's not a big deal, they all know the way but if you were to follow I-69 shouldn't there be a way to direct them to connect to the two stretches of highway?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 31, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 31, 2016, 05:02:18 AM
I traveled through this area yesterday, all the way down to Evansville and noticed a couple of new changes along the already completed sections of I-69.

-A new firetruck entrance onto the interstate from one of the roads that the interstate crosses in Monroe County. I forget what road, but there is now a gravel pathway that leads from the interstate up to the road with gates at both the road and the highway and a sign that flashes if a firetruck in in the area. I know Monroe County was talking about ways to access the highway in the event they needed to get on and didn't want to access the exits. Needless to say that I never have seen this kind of setup before in Indiana.

That's the emergency access entrance near the Burch Road overpass. The entrance was, I believe, incorporated into the plans of Section 4 way back in the design phase. It's the first and only such interstate emergency entrance in the state of Indiana.

According to an April 2016 Herald-Times article, there were five keys distributed for gate access, all of which were provided to the Van Buren Township Fire Department. Initially, nine keys were to be distributed–five to Van Buren Township and four to the Indian Creek Township Fire Department–but a decision was made at the FHWA level to pare back to five, cutting out Indian Creek. The reason: They didn't want too many keys floating around. And since, Van Buren Township operates a 24-hour fire response station relatively near the emergency entrance, while Indian Creek's is part-time, Van Buren got the nod.

Now the Indian Creek Township people are pushing back; they want some keys. Both Van Buren and Indian Creek Township emergency vehicles currently have permission to use the entrance, but only Van Buren can open the gate. Apparently, all the jurisdictions involved, including the feds, are trying to work something out. Whew!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 31, 2016, 11:47:12 PM
More Section 5 pics. Photos were taken May 30, Memorial Day, unless otherwise noted.


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The overpass that will carry Vernal Pike/17th Street over State Road 37 (future I-69) in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking southwest.

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The inner workings of the Vernal Pike overpass; looking west.

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On the east abutment, the Vernal Pike overpass beams atop their respective steel stanchions; looking north.

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Another perspective of the Vernal Pike/17th Street overpass; looking northwest. The road in the background is Vernal Pike.

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And one more photo of the Vernal Pike overpass beams, with MSE panels in the foreground; looking southwest.

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The Liberty Church Road overpass in Morgan County, Indiana, from a slightly different perspective; looking northeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 01, 2016, 12:48:24 AM
Here's some more that were taken earlier this month, May 15th, that for one reason or another, I never got around to posting.


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The overpass that will carry Fullerton Pike over State Road 37 (future I-69) in Monroe County, Indiana; looking slightly northwest.

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Looking west from Rockport Road toward the reconstruction of the Fullerton Pike roadway and the new Fullerton Pike overpass, barely visible in the background.

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Initial construction of the access road that will connect Fullerton Pike to S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. near the Fullerton Pike overpass work zone; looking east. This road must be built and completed before the old Fullerton Pike/S. Monroe Medical intersection can be closed in preparation for construction of the Fullerton Pike interchange ramps and traffic circles. (Please note: It's very possible this road has been completed. With the recent good weather, the pace of construction has picked up. I'll try to check it out the Fullerton Pike work zone the next week or so.)

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The Fullerton Pike/S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. intersection; looking west. When the access road mentioned above is completed, this particular area will be sealed off to begin construction of the Fullerton Pike interchange components. The western roundabout is projected to be built right about where the two roads intersect. Since it's a fairly steep and rapid drop from the overpass, the ground here will have to elevated to some extent, exactly how much it's hard to say. It will be interesting to see how they pull it off. In the background, the tip of the access road, jutting off from Fullerton Pike, can be seen. It goes behind the buildings and turns 90 degrees east, forming half a rectangle.

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Another perspective of the Fullerton Pike overpass; looking southeast. In the background is Monroe Hospital.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 01, 2016, 01:31:23 AM
And, lastly, a few pics from April 24th. Even though a bit old, they might be of interest.


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State Road 37 (future I-69) from near the bridges over Griffy Creek in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north. Since SR 37 is being expanded from 2 to 3 traffic lanes from the city of Bloomington up the Sample Road interchange, all mainline bridges along this path must be widened. Pictured is work underway at the bridges over Griffy Creek (foreground) and Beanblossom Creek, just beyond.

The bridge pictured in the background is the N. Walnut Street overpass, used exclusively for exiting southbound SR 37 traffic. No change is planned for this partial interchange as SR 37 is upgraded to I-69.

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Concrete degradation of a Griffy Creek bridge pier; looking northeast.

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Work to expand SR 37 mainline bridges over the CSX railroad in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking northeast.

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Another perspective of the work underway at the CSX railroad work zone; looking north.

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Close up of work to construct bridge piers at the CSX site; looking east.

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Another perspective of the bridges that carry SR 37 over Griffy Creek; looking north. In the foreground are the bucket teeth and arm of an excavator located near the Kinser Pike work zone about a half mile north of the SR 37/Kinser Pike overpass.

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The eastern MSE wall of the Vernal Pike/17th Street overpass, just a few days before the placement of the bridge beams. Of interest is the textured block limestone facade of the overpass's wing wall. This characteristic design element was selected with citizen input, and will be featured on most overpasses that stretch over I-69 within the city limits of Bloomington. In the background is the exit ramp to State Road 46 east. Photo was taken May 15, 2016.

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Another look at construction at the CSX railroad work zone; looking east.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on June 08, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
Yeah I don't know why the project documents refer to that as CSX. It was sold back in 2005 to a local company called the "Indiana Rail Road"

The same company that owns the railroad between SR48 and SR45
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on June 08, 2016, 04:22:20 PM
Quote from: Moose on June 08, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
Yeah I don't know why the project documents refer to that as CSX. It was sold back in 2005 to a local company called the "Indiana Rail Road"
Which is actually majority-owned by CSX, so in a way it's still CSX. (It may also have been leased from CSX instead of bought outright.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on June 09, 2016, 12:37:08 AM
It has been a few years since I have seen an INRR engine on the line. Now they are CSX engines. I grew up where Illinois Central had a yard. I'll check when I go back, but I think INRR is gone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on June 12, 2016, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 31, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 31, 2016, 05:02:18 AM
I traveled through this area yesterday, all the way down to Evansville and noticed a couple of new changes along the already completed sections of I-69.

-A new firetruck entrance onto the interstate from one of the roads that the interstate crosses in Monroe County. I forget what road, but there is now a gravel pathway that leads from the interstate up to the road with gates at both the road and the highway and a sign that flashes if a firetruck in in the area. I know Monroe County was talking about ways to access the highway in the event they needed to get on and didn't want to access the exits. Needless to say that I never have seen this kind of setup before in Indiana.

That's the emergency access entrance near the Burch Road overpass. The entrance was, I believe, incorporated into the plans of Section 4 way back in the design phase. It's the first and only such interstate emergency entrance in the state of Indiana.

According to an April 2016 Herald-Times article, there were five keys distributed for gate access, all of which were provided to the Van Buren Township Fire Department. Initially, nine keys were to be distributed–five to Van Buren Township and four to the Indian Creek Township Fire Department–but a decision was made at the FHWA level to pare back to five, cutting out Indian Creek. The reason: They didn't want too many keys floating around. And since, Van Buren Township operates a 24-hour fire response station relatively near the emergency entrance, while Indian Creek's is part-time, Van Buren got the nod.

Now the Indian Creek Township people are pushing back; they want some keys. Both Van Buren and Indian Creek Township emergency vehicles currently have permission to use the entrance, but only Van Buren can open the gate. Apparently, all the jurisdictions involved, including the feds, are trying to work something out. Whew!



At the FHWA level?  That seems like really micro-managing things.  Sure the feds are putting up money, but the number of keys for an emergency access gate?

What if Van Buren is busy with another emergency and all their people are occupied, and then there is an emergency on I-69?  Indian Creek has to go get someone from Van Buren to leave their emergency to unlock the gate, or else take another route?  That is really micro-managing fine details.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 12, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 12, 2016, 01:18:13 AM
At the FHWA level?  That seems like really micro-managing things.  Sure the feds are putting up money, but the number of keys for an emergency access gate?

What if Van Buren is busy with another emergency and all their people are occupied, and then there is an emergency on I-69?  Indian Creek has to go get someone from Van Buren to leave their emergency to unlock the gate, or else take another route?  That is really micro-managing fine details.

Well, an interstate is a federal-level road. So, yes, the FHWA needs to sign off on any agreement, no matter how minor. The I-69/Burch Road emergency access gate is very unusual. There are very few such gates located around the country. Strict control of access–who can work the gate, etc.–was apparently carefully considered.

When all is said and done, Indian Creek Township will likely get permission to operate the gate, along with a few keys to do so. In the meantime, if units from Van Buren are occupied with another emergency, response units likely would be dispatched from either Perry or Clear Creek Township, or Indian Creek, depending on the location of the incident. Perry units would access SR 37 as quickly as possible, then roar down I-69. Same with Clear Creek. For Indian Creek, accessing I-69 is problematic, and, more troublesome, extremely time consuming–and that's the rub. With gate access, they would be able to respond in timely manner if needed.

It's 10 miles between the I-69/SR 37 interchange and the I-69/SR445 interchange in Greene County. Hence, the reason for emergency gate in the first place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 12, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
I've been out and about and have snapped a few more pictures. Photos were taken June 8, 2016, unless otherwise noted.

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Constructing of the median barrier wall south of the Rockport Road overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. In the background is the I-69/SR 37 interchange.

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Close up of the median barrier wall crew. Apparently, something wasn't quite right as they had the board out as well as their measurement devices.

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Looking north toward the overpass that will carry Fullerton Pike over State Road 37/I-69. In the foreground is the Rockport Road overpass.

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Construction of the Fullerton Pike overpass and interchange. Before work can begin in earnest on the interchange ramps, crews must first complete the median barrier wall and the added travel lanes, after which traffic will be shifted inside. This will allow work to get underway near the shoulder.

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Another perspective of the median barrier wall work underway south of the Rockport Road overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 12, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
A few more. Photos were taken June 11, 2016, unless otherwise noted.

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On a warm Saturday afternoon, a crew works near the overpass that will carry Fullerton Pike over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east.

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The access road that will connect Fullerton Pike to S. Monroe Medical Blvd.; looking west. Nothing much has taken place in the past two weeks. Permit issues? Perhaps. It appears this road may be more permanent than not. At any rate, there's a bunch of utility stuff in the ground, and maybe more to come, if the storm sewer blocks are any indication. It's my understanding (and I could be wrong) that this connector must be completed and open to traffic before the old Fullerton Pike/S. Monroe Medical can be closed in order to construct the western interchange roundabout. And the Fullerton Pike interchange must be completed before Tapp Road can be closed for construction of the interchange there. So this little dinky road is, um, important.

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The State Road 37/Sample Road crossing in Monroe County, Indiana, where a full interstate interchange will be constructed; looking west. Consider this one of the last "before" pictures. Soon the immense transformation will be underway, and this landscape view will be irrevocably changed.

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The view of State Road 37 and the work to expand the road from two to three lanes; looking south from near the W. Arlington Road overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. In the background is the SR 37/SR 46 interchange. The entrance ramp pictured left is for SR 46 traffic.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 from near the W. Arlington Road overpass. Just around the bend in the background is the Kinser Pike overpass.

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Another perspective of the State Road 37/Sample Road crossing; looking west. Change is a-coming.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on June 13, 2016, 12:42:21 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 12, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 12, 2016, 01:18:13 AM
At the FHWA level?  That seems like really micro-managing things.  Sure the feds are putting up money, but the number of keys for an emergency access gate?

What if Van Buren is busy with another emergency and all their people are occupied, and then there is an emergency on I-69?  Indian Creek has to go get someone from Van Buren to leave their emergency to unlock the gate, or else take another route?  That is really micro-managing fine details.

Well, an interstate is a federal-level road. So, yes, the FHWA needs to sign off on any agreement, no matter how minor. The I-69/Burch Road emergency access gate is very unusual. There are very few such gates located around the country. Strict control of access–who can work the gate, etc.–was apparently carefully considered.

When all is said and done, Indian Creek Township will likely get permission to operate the gate, along with a few keys to do so. In the meantime, if units from Van Buren are occupied with another emergency, response units likely would be dispatched from either Perry or Clear Creek Township, or Indian Creek, depending on the location of the incident. Perry units would access SR 37 as quickly as possible, then roar down I-69. Same with Clear Creek. For Indian Creek, accessing I-69 is problematic, and, more troublesome, extremely time consuming–and that's the rub. With gate access, they would be able to respond in timely manner if needed.

It's 10 miles between the I-69/SR 37 interchange and the I-69/SR445 interchange in Greene County. Hence, the reason for emergency gate in the first place.

And if worse comes to worse, most fire departments worth their mettle carry bolt cutters and or power saws on board their trucks.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 13, 2016, 12:42:21 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 12, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 12, 2016, 01:18:13 AM
At the FHWA level?  That seems like really micro-managing things.  Sure the feds are putting up money, but the number of keys for an emergency access gate?

What if Van Buren is busy with another emergency and all their people are occupied, and then there is an emergency on I-69?  Indian Creek has to go get someone from Van Buren to leave their emergency to unlock the gate, or else take another route?  That is really micro-managing fine details.

Well, an interstate is a federal-level road. So, yes, the FHWA needs to sign off on any agreement, no matter how minor. The I-69/Burch Road emergency access gate is very unusual. There are very few such gates located around the country. Strict control of access–who can work the gate, etc.–was apparently carefully considered.

When all is said and done, Indian Creek Township will likely get permission to operate the gate, along with a few keys to do so. In the meantime, if units from Van Buren are occupied with another emergency, response units likely would be dispatched from either Perry or Clear Creek Township, or Indian Creek, depending on the location of the incident. Perry units would access SR 37 as quickly as possible, then roar down I-69. Same with Clear Creek. For Indian Creek, accessing I-69 is problematic, and, more troublesome, extremely time consuming–and that's the rub. With gate access, they would be able to respond in timely manner if needed.

It's 10 miles between the I-69/SR 37 interchange and the I-69/SR445 interchange in Greene County. Hence, the reason for emergency gate in the first place.

And if worse comes to worse, most fire departments worth their mettle carry bolt cutters and or power saws on board their trucks.

:nod:

Mike

I guess I don't get how it is a "federal-level road" but so are US routes in the sense of their numbering; construction of the Interstates is done by the states, usually with federal funding support.  Going so fine-grained as to worry about the exact number of keys to an emergency gate seems odd even when federal dollars are involved.  INDOT is building the road and the number of keys doesn't affect the motorist experience the way most things (color of stripes or signs, speed limits, sign typefaces, etc.) that the FHWA cares about would affect it.  Seems nit-picky even if it is technically correct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 19, 2016, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 19, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 13, 2016, 12:42:21 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 12, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 12, 2016, 01:18:13 AM
At the FHWA level?  That seems like really micro-managing things.  Sure the feds are putting up money, but the number of keys for an emergency access gate?

What if Van Buren is busy with another emergency and all their people are occupied, and then there is an emergency on I-69?  Indian Creek has to go get someone from Van Buren to leave their emergency to unlock the gate, or else take another route?  That is really micro-managing fine details.

Well, an interstate is a federal-level road. So, yes, the FHWA needs to sign off on any agreement, no matter how minor. The I-69/Burch Road emergency access gate is very unusual. There are very few such gates located around the country. Strict control of access–who can work the gate, etc.–was apparently carefully considered.

When all is said and done, Indian Creek Township will likely get permission to operate the gate, along with a few keys to do so. In the meantime, if units from Van Buren are occupied with another emergency, response units likely would be dispatched from either Perry or Clear Creek Township, or Indian Creek, depending on the location of the incident. Perry units would access SR 37 as quickly as possible, then roar down I-69. Same with Clear Creek. For Indian Creek, accessing I-69 is problematic, and, more troublesome, extremely time consuming–and that's the rub. With gate access, they would be able to respond in timely manner if needed.

It's 10 miles between the I-69/SR 37 interchange and the I-69/SR445 interchange in Greene County. Hence, the reason for emergency gate in the first place.

And if worse comes to worse, most fire departments worth their mettle carry bolt cutters and or power saws on board their trucks.

:nod:

Mike

I guess I don't get how it is a "federal-level road" but so are US routes in the sense of their numbering; construction of the Interstates is done by the states, usually with federal funding support.  Going so fine-grained as to worry about the exact number of keys to an emergency gate seems odd even when federal dollars are involved.  INDOT is building the road and the number of keys doesn't affect the motorist experience the way most things (color of stripes or signs, speed limits, sign typefaces, etc.) that the FHWA cares about would affect it.  Seems nit-picky even if it is technically correct.

Well, it is exacting to some extent. But rules are rules. When the newly-built road connecting Evansville to Bloomington took the I-69 shield, it officially became part of the Interstate Highway System and, thus, the National Highway System; or, simply, in my jargon, "a federal-level road."

The following is from the FHWA website (link below):

QuoteWhat is the National Highway System?

The National Highway System consists of roadways important to the nation's economy, defense, and mobility. The National Highway System (NHS) includes the following subsystems of roadways (note that a specific highway route may be on more than one subsystem):

  - Interstate: The Eisenhower Interstate System of highways retains its separate identity within the NHS.
  - Other Principal Arterials: These are highways in rural and urban areas which provide access between an arterial and a major port, airport, public transportation facility, or other intermodal transportation facility.
  - Strategic Highway Network(STRAHNET): This is a network of highways which are important to the United States' strategic defense policy and which provide defense access, continuity and emergency capabilities for defense purposes.
  - Major Strategic Highway Network Connectors: These are highways which provide access between major military installations and highways which are part of the Strategic Highway Network.
  - Intermodal Connectors: These highways provide access between major intermodal facilities and the other four subsystems making up the National Highway System. A listing of all official NHS Intermodal Connectors is available here

The National Highway System (NHS) includes the Interstate Highway System as well as other roads important to the nation's economy, defense, and mobility. The NHS was developed by the Department of Transportation (DOT) in cooperation with the states, local officials, and metropolitan planning organizations (MPOs).


http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on June 20, 2016, 01:57:56 PM

The number of keys does impact the motorist experience if someone gets a hold of a key that shouldn't have one and causes a crash by an illicit entry to the highway.   Not likely, but I do see the safety interest in controlling access to the highway from a non standard entrance.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on June 20, 2016, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on June 20, 2016, 01:57:56 PM

The number of keys does impact the motorist experience if someone gets a hold of a key that shouldn't have one and causes a crash by an illicit entry to the highway.   Not likely, but I do see the safety interest in controlling access to the highway from a non standard entrance.

Federal Highway conjures up Carl Rogers talking about "federal routes" as if they are something that exists.  :P
The NHS includes all kinds of highways from county roads to Interstates, but the federal government doesn't own much (if any) of the NHS mileage and can only exert influence through funding.

The keys going to more than one proper fire department seems like an odd bone for FHWA to pick.  They wouldn't be handing them to any schmuck, but to the department for emergency use.  It just seems odd to me for them to be so particular about something where it would be much worse for the nearest fire crew to be lacking a key than for the keys to be issued. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 20, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
They should get one of those 5 step, 10 min, thumb print and retinal scan deals that the local Wendys has the manager use when I want to change my order.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on June 20, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on June 20, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
They should get one of those 5 step, 10 min, thumb print and retinal scan deals that the local Wendys has the manager use when I want to change my order.

:bigass:   :-D  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 29, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Since there's been an active discussion of the I-69 emergency access entrance in Monroe County, Indiana, I decided to drop down that way to take a few pictures. The entrance, access of which is restricted by two separate locked gates, is located just to the east of the Burch Road overpass.

To my knowledge, this interstate emergency access entrance is the only one of its kind in the state of Indiana. Across the United States, there are probably several others with a similar design and purpose, but they are uncommon.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7376/27950065536_32581d5de4_k.jpg)
I-69 and the emergency access entrance from the Burch Road overpass; looking slightly northeast.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7404/27906826221_25d7e46967_k.jpg)
Close up of the access gate which sits near the shoulder of the southbound lanes.

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7551/27906827431_b38f440837_k.jpg)
Perspective that shows the two gates of the emergency access entrance; looking east from Burch Road.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7658/27371496534_6099af9e89_k.jpg)
The access gate and its proximity to the Burch Road overpass.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7107/27371494094_5ac9bc312c_k.jpg)
Busted! Probably missed the SR 37 exit. But really now, the emergency access crossover?! Apparently, this is not at all unusual as one of two posted No U-Turn signs has already been knocked down.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 29, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
Good to see that Indiana is working on it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 30, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 29, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Since there's been an active discussion of the I-69 emergency access entrance in Monroe County, Indiana, I decided to drop down that way to take a few pictures. The entrance, access of which is restricted by two separate locked gates, is located just to the east of the Burch Road overpass.

To my knowledge, this interstate emergency access entrance is the only one of its kind in the state of Indiana. Across the United States, there are probably several others with a similar design and purpose, but they are uncommon.


Other than the antenna/solar power panel(?) near the roadway gate, the emergency access near MP 102 on I-80 in Illinois looks awfully similar...except they only have one set of locked gates per access, and they have one for both directions. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 30, 2016, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 30, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 29, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Since there's been an active discussion of the I-69 emergency access entrance in Monroe County, Indiana, I decided to drop down that way to take a few pictures. The entrance, access of which is restricted by two separate locked gates, is located just to the east of the Burch Road overpass.

To my knowledge, this interstate emergency access entrance is the only one of its kind in the state of Indiana. Across the United States, there are probably several others with a similar design and purpose, but they are uncommon.


Other than the antenna/solar power panel(?) near the roadway gate, the emergency access near MP 102 on I-80 in Illinois looks awfully similar...except they only have one set of locked gates per access, and they have one for both directions. 

There is no controversy I remember about who has access to the gate - it's the Seneca IL fire Protection and Ambulance District.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on August 13, 2016, 05:08:34 PM
There are several new articles in the press about the most recent problems with the prime contractor on Section 5. One article is here (http://indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=285&ArticleID=84913).

This caused Fitch to again downgrade the bond rating to be considered speculative. So my questions are:
1) What will happen if there is a default?
2) What will this do to potential bond sales for future INDOT projects like the I-69 Ohio River bridge and section 6 of I-69?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 13, 2016, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: mukade on August 13, 2016, 05:08:34 PM
There are several new articles in the press about the most recent problems with the prime contractor on Section 5. One article is here (http://indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=285&ArticleID=84913).

This caused Fitch to again downgrade the bond rating to be considered speculative. So my questions are:
1) What will happen if there is a default?
2) What will this do to potential bond sales for future INDOT projects like the I-69 Ohio River bridge and section 6 of I-69?

Is this the contractor that is from Spain?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 29, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Does anyone know if there has been a notable increase in traffic on the completed portion of I-69 now that it is connected to State Road 37?

I am curious if the combination of 4 lane non-interstate quality SR 37 and Interstate 69 is seeing the kind of traffic that we would expect a completed I-69 to see from Evansville to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 29, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
I guess we'll have to wait for Interstate 69 to be completed between Evansville and Indianapolis to get the answer to that question.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on August 29, 2016, 08:39:52 PM
I imagine traffic would be steadily increasing along I-69 since it opened to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 30, 2016, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 29, 2016, 08:39:52 PM
I imagine traffic would be steadily increasing along I-69 since it opened to Bloomington.

I've heard there's cars on it now as opposed to "it's like the Autobahn, you can drive as fast as you want because nobody's on the road!" before Section 4 opened.  Were a couple stories about kids getting arrested for drag racing on it.

No idea on traffic counts, but I imagine there's some traffic between Bloomington & Crane.  All the Section 5 construction would probably encourage semis to stick with I-65/I-64 to get to Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on August 30, 2016, 11:41:21 PM
I have been averaging about a trip a month from Evansville to Indy or points north, and there is definitely a noticeable increase in traffic. Even with the construction and speed reductions, I have been consistently averaging 2.5 hours from the Lloyd-69 interchange in Evansville to the 37-465 interchange in Indy. I have jumped over at Martinsville to 67 a couple of times, it seems to be a little less congested.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on September 02, 2016, 07:54:26 PM
INDOT has updated traffic counts on their website.

On section 4, they conducted counts the end of January of this year:

Between SR 37 and SR 445- 9,807
Between SR445 and SR 45- 8,398
Between SR 45 and US 231- 6,301

The only count station I checked on section 2/3 was between US 231 and SR 58 and it hasn't been updated since section 4 opened:

2013: 2,865
2015: 4,037
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 06, 2016, 03:14:08 PM
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/pay-dispute-halts-work-i69-section-5-104683/

Quote from: Indiana Public MediaBloomington Mayor John Hamilton says at least one major I-69 Section 5 subcontractor walked off the project Friday due to an ongoing pay dispute.

Work on Section 5, the section of interstate from Bloomington to Martinsville, was delayed earlier this year because of similar issues, pushing the completion date from October to June 2017. The private developer I-69 Development Partners is responsible for designing, building, financing, operating and maintaining that portion of interstate through a public-private partnership.

"I called Friday and spoke to the commissioner of the Department of Transportation, I spoke to the director of the Indiana Finance Authority and I said, "˜I believe you need to step in and make sure people get paid so they can keep doing the work,'"  Hamilton says. "I told both of them in no uncertain terms my view is you need to step up, make sure the payments happen, fight about it later."

Rep. Matt Pierce, D-Bloomington, wrote a letter to Governor Mike Pence Friday asking for answers about the ongoing delays. Pierce says he also received information about multiple subcontractors abandoning the project last week after not being paid.

"That caused me to want to ask the governor who oversees INDOT and the Indiana Finance Authority and this project, what is going on with this project?"  Pierce says.

Pierce says the public-private partnership between the state and I-69 Development Partners lacks transparency. He wants to see the state take back control of the project so Section 5 can be completed in a timely fashion.

"For my constituents who use that road a lot to get from here to Indianapolis, for the business community that relies on it for regional commerce and just for safety ... all of that is a reason to get this project done,"  Pierce says.

When asked about the dispute and whether subcontractors walked off the project, spokesman for the Indiana Department of Transportation Will Wingfield said in an email that staff from the Indiana Finance Authority saw contractors working on Section 5 Tuesday.

"The state is closely monitoring I-69 Development Partners and enforcing compliance with its contract,"  Wingfield said.

The city held a meeting with INDOT in August to get an update on the project, but Hamilton says many of his questions remain unanswered.

"These are citizens' tax dollars that are paying for this project, and we need to know what's going on,"  Hamilton says. "We need to know why 100-plus workers are not, on a beautiful day like today when we should be getting work done – they're off the job. That's a failure, and we need to understand."

The Indiana Finance Authority directed questions about Section 5 contractors to Isolux Corsan, the parent company of I-69 Development Partners. The company would not comment Tuesday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 06, 2016, 05:35:49 PM
^^^

On Friday, September 2, the day the article alleges that subcontractors walked off the job, I happened to be near the Fullerton Road work zone. Work was continuing, normally, it appeared. Was it a beehive of activity. No. But then again, it was the Friday before a three-day weekend, and I believe, state contracting rules stipulate an early end to work on such days.

Is it possible a subcontractor or two decided that if certain issues weren't resolved by the Labor Day weekend, work would cease? That might have happened. If the news report is accurate, that payments to subs continue to lag due to contractual disputes, it presents a troubling picture. INDOT and the Indiana Finance Authority are not going to sit idly by and let this practice continue. It behooves I-69 Development Partners, the concessionaire, to be careful at this stage. Already, they are in official default, and, as the article reports, local pols are now calling for the state to retake control of the project.

Here's a couple of pictures taken Friday, September 2nd.

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Fullerton Road work zone, Monroe County, Indiana.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8178/29217173480_c14fd6b56e_z.jpg)
This is the location of the future western roundabout of the I-69/Fullerton Road interchange. The overpass that will carry Fullerton Road over future I-69 is to the right, up the mound of earth.

More pics and an update to come.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 07, 2016, 12:24:23 AM
A major article now up on the website of South-Central Indiana's principal newspaper, The Herald Times, confirms that Crider & Crider, one of the main subcontractors of Section 5, has ceased work as of Monday, September 5th. Again, as before, the contractor is apparently not being compensated in a timely manner.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/contractor-stops-i--work-awaits-payment/article_ec413e36-9644-5e88-9573-38d1fe050523.html

The article is only available to subscribers but, in the generous spirit of fair use, here's some quotes:

QuoteCrider & Crider Inc., the contractor responsible for earth-moving operations related to upgrading of 21 miles of Ind. 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville to interstate standards, ceased work on the project Monday.

"All our equipment is lined up," said Don Conard, superintendent with Crider & Crider. "None of it's running."

Conard said the work stoppage is related to Isolux Corsan USA not meeting payment deadlines, something that has happened before. He said crews stopped working this past winter and again in March.

...

Reached by phone Tuesday morning to discuss the most recent work stoppage, [Jim] Stark [deputy commissioner with the Indiana Department of Transportation] said he was discussing the situation with [Will] Wingfield [INDOT spokesman] and would call back in about half an hour. He did not. Separate voice mails left for Stark and Wingfield on Tuesday afternoon were not returned by the deadline for this story. State Rep. Matt Pierce, D-Bloomington, said that lack of response is indicative of major transparency issues associated with the project.

Pierce said he's heard from lots of constituents who are frustrated with the traffic delays on Ind. 37 caused by I-69 construction. He said many understand a price has to be paid for progress, but they're only willing to cope with those inconveniences for a period of time.

...

Pierce said he doesn't understand why contractors aren't being paid, since the state already sold private activity bonds to finance the project.

"It's odd to me that if they had this private activity bond on the front end, there's not money to pay for construction," he said.


(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8361/29400547372_d60860f932_k.jpg)
Equipment for subcontractor Crider & Crider lined up and idle at the Fullerton Road work zone in Monroe County, Indiana.

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8546/29400551682_96e27c2fde_k.jpg)
Another perspective of the Fullerton Road work zone.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8344/29400552462_e903bcd58a_k.jpg)
And one more; looking north. The mound is where the southbound exit and entrance ramps for the future I-69/Fullerton Road interchange will be located. The overpass that will carry Fullerton Road over Interstate 69 is to the right (but not pictured).

Photos were taken September 6, 2016; 6:30pm.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 07, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
I was hoping to see pictures of I-69 construction...

Are payment disputes like this normal for a large road construction project?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on September 07, 2016, 08:05:04 AM
If subs are not getting paid, then INDOT or the overseeing agency needs to step in and make sure they get paid. I am not sure how the main contractor's payment arrangement is set up, but if it is a monthly pay application, I would withhold any further payments until the subs are compensated.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on September 07, 2016, 09:21:16 AM
But wait, INDOT says that all of that equipment is active and workers are on site. Right?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 07, 2016, 12:10:31 PM
The Indiana Finance Authority sent a notice of non-compliance to I-69 Development Partners Tuesday (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/pay-dispute-halts-work-i69-section-5-104683/)

Quote from: Indiana Public MediaThe Indiana Finance Authority issued a letter of non-compliance to I-69 Development Partners Tuesday after learning the developer owes more than $9 million in undisputed amounts to subcontractors.

The letter comes after at least one subcontractor, Crider and Crider, stopped work on Section 5 because of lack of payment. According to the IFA's letter, I-69 Development Partners owes the subcontractor more than $2.3 million. The letter says other subcontractors are threatening to leave the project.

I-69 Development Partners' failure to pay subcontractors on time is a breach of its public-private agreement with the state. According to the agreement, if the developer doesn't resolve the issue in 30 days it will result in a default.

http://wishtv.com/2016/09/07/mayor-hamilton-to-discuss-i-69-construction-delays/

Also Bloomington Mayor John Hamilton and State Rep. Pierce are having a press conference right now and are rightly raising a major stink as it's a safety hazard to have all these construction zones for longer than necessary.  Subcontractors are saying the project won't be complete until May 2018 with all the delays.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 07, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on September 07, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
Are payment disputes like this normal for a large road construction project?

No. It is not normal. But with all large projects, whether it be a road or a skyscraper, sometimes issues arise between contractors. Usually, such issues revolve around the quality of work performed, and payment is sometimes withheld until deficiencies are corrected.

An example:  A couple of years ago, a contractor was awarded the contract to raise the bridge and resurface the ramps for the N. Walnut Street overpass at State Road 37 (future I-69) in Monroe County, Indiana. This project was a precursor to Section 5 and is of not part of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project. The job was completed in timely fashion, but INDOT was unhappy with the ramp resurfacing aspect. Before the official handback, they requested a redo, using the final payments as leverage as well as contract stipulations. As a result, the approach ramps were quickly resurfaced, this time satisfactorily.


Quote from: codyg1985 on September 07, 2016, 08:05:04 AM
If subs are not getting paid, then INDOT or the overseeing agency needs to step in and make sure they get paid. I am not sure how the main contractor's payment arrangement is set up, but if it is a monthly pay application, I would withhold any further payments until the subs are compensated.

Section 5 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project is being built and financed under a public-private partnership (in short, a 3P). In 2014, a private entity, I-69 Development Partners, was granted the 35-year concession to design, build and maintain the 21 miles of interstate that comprise Section 5. The public-private agreement is between the Indiana Finance Authority (IFA) and I-69 Development Partners LLC, an entity set up by an international Spanish firm with headquarters in the Netherlands, Isolux Corsán.

INDOT is of course closely involved with monitoring the progress of Section 5, but they do not officially "oversee" I-69 Development Partners, the concessionaire. The State of Indiana, through the Indiana Finance Authority, is the whom the concessionaire must answer to. The State's leverage over the concessionaire is the power to cancel the concession if the concessionaire fails in its obligations as stipulated in the 3P agreement. At this time, the concessionaire is officially in breach of the 3P agreement.

Earlier this year, I-69 Development Partners, was issued a non-compliance notice due to not meeting the stipulated time-frame for project completion as well as for significantly tardy payments to subcontractors. They were given 20 days to correct the tardy payments and 60 days to restructure the project schedule. These issues were seemingly resolved, but, apparently, the nonpayment problem never quite went away, as yesterday it was reported that a major subcontractor had, once again, walked off the job due to not being compensated in timely fashion.

What happens next is currently being decided. There are big questions that need answering, right now. Why aren't subcontractors being paid? Has I-69 Development Partners run out of money? If not, where's the money? In short, answers are needed to the question: What the hell is going on? Ultimately, the State could cancel the concession if the relevant issues aren't satisfactorily resolved, and soon.

For those interested, here's the link to the official 3P agreement between IFA and I-69 Development Partners LLC:

http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/Agreement_-_IFA_-_I-69_S5_-_Public_Private_Agreement_-_4-8-14_-_Execution_Version.pdf

Note: Minor edits to improve accuracy and readability.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on September 07, 2016, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 07, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on September 07, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
Are payment disputes like this normal for a large road construction project?

No. It is not normal.


It is common for projects to go "into litigation" here in NY.

(personal opinion expressed)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 07, 2016, 02:56:14 PM
Yeah, this is getting politicized pretty quickly (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Latest-Bloomington-mayor-calls-I-69-work-9207962.php), so business is about to pick up.

Quote from: AP2:25 p.m.

Bloomington's mayor is calling the work stoppage on the Interstate 69 extension a debacle and says Indiana Gov. Mike Pence's administration hasn't properly monitored the project's private developer.

Democratic Mayor John Hamilton said Wednesday it's past time for the Pence administration to step in to get the highway's Bloomington-to-Martinsville section finished as soon as possible.

The Indiana Finance Authority has threatened to find I-69 Development Partners in default of its contract after a major subcontractor stopped work this week over $2.3 million in late payments. Hamilton says delays could push back the section's completion until 2018.

Democratic gubernatorial candidate John Gregg blamed the problems on "gross mismanagement" by Pence and GOP candidate Lt. Gov. Eric Holcomb.

Spokesmen for Pence and Holcomb didn't immediately reply to requests for comment.

Gregg's already making this an issue in Indiana and with Pence being the VP nominee, it wouldn't surprise me if this starts getting some national attention if this isn't resolved quickly.

This is also bad for the prospects for the IN/KY bridge and Section 6 if this isn't resolved, as it seemed like those would likely both be P3s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 07, 2016, 03:37:16 PM
Looks like Evansville IN and Henderson KY will be the Breezewood of I-69 for time to come.  That is good news for the local economy in those locales.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on September 07, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 07, 2016, 03:37:16 PM
Looks like Evansville IN and Henderson KY will be the Breezewood of I-69 for time to come.  That is good news for the local economy in those locales.

I don't agree with this at all. This is a sizable metro, and a few convenience stores and fast food joints in Henderson don't drive the local economy one iota.  A second river crossing and a completed 69 will do far, far more for our area than a handful of junk stops. Most of them will survive just fine, and many more will open around the new interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 07, 2016, 07:48:14 PM
What about the horse track?  This will drive away business.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 07, 2016, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on September 07, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 07, 2016, 03:37:16 PM
Looks like Evansville IN and Henderson KY will be the Breezewood of I-69 for time to come.  That is good news for the local economy in those locales.

I don't agree with this at all. This is a sizable metro, and a few convenience stores and fast food joints in Henderson don't drive the local economy one iota.  A second river crossing and a completed 69 will do far, far more for our area than a handful of junk stops. Most of them will survive just fine, and many more will open around the new interchanges.

It can drive business down when through traffic stays on the interstate, but it will also spur growth near the interstate, so it could kill certain areas, and create new areas of economic growth.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 07, 2016, 09:34:04 PM

Quote from: thefro on September 07, 2016, 02:56:14 PM
Yeah, this is getting politicized pretty quickly (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Latest-Bloomington-mayor-calls-I-69-work-9207962.php), so business is about to pick up.

Quote from: AP2:25 p.m.

Bloomington's mayor is calling the work stoppage on the Interstate 69 extension a debacle and says Indiana Gov. Mike Pence's administration hasn't properly monitored the project's private developer.

Democratic Mayor John Hamilton said Wednesday it's past time for the Pence administration to step in to get the highway's Bloomington-to-Martinsville section finished as soon as possible.

The Indiana Finance Authority has threatened to find I-69 Development Partners in default of its contract after a major subcontractor stopped work this week over $2.3 million in late payments. Hamilton says delays could push back the section's completion until 2018.

Democratic gubernatorial candidate John Gregg blamed the problems on "gross mismanagement" by Pence and GOP candidate Lt. Gov. Eric Holcomb.

Spokesmen for Pence and Holcomb didn't immediately reply to requests for comment.

Gregg's already making this an issue in Indiana and with Pence being the VP nominee, it wouldn't surprise me if this starts getting some national attention if this isn't resolved quickly.

This is also bad for the prospects for the IN/KY bridge and Section 6 if this isn't resolved, as it seemed like those would likely both be P3s.

Yes, I agree, it's problematic. Be that as it may, it's still too early to say what impact the issues involving Section 5 will have on future 3P projects. Going forward, the State likely will tighten up the rules and requirements for future 3P agreements. This will allow the new governor and legislators to take credit for reforms, while, at the same time, continue to pursue 3P projects, if desired.

Right now, however, with the political season in full swing, things are heating up, as you've noted. The failure of Section 5's public-private partnership would deal a serious blow to Pence, so I imagine a lot is going on behind the scenes. It doesn't look good at all that a company hand-selected by Indiana officials for a major State project can't quite seem to pay its bills on time, and may, in fact, be tottering.

It's hard not to visualize a bunch of execs flying in from Spain and the Netherlands to calm the fires. Something needs to happen. Whether it's personnel changes at I-69 Development Partners or increased oversight by Indiana officials, the status quo is no longer tenable. Even though the State is holding to the new completion deadline of June 28, 2017, it doesn't seem realistic, particularly as the machines lay idle due to the current work stoppage now underway. Substantial completion in December of 2017 is, perhaps, still possible, but the middle of 2018 seems more realistic. That's now less than 22 months away, so they better get moving and soon.

While good progress has been made during 2016, a lot of work remains. The overpass at Chambers Pike and interchange at Tapp Road have yet to start, and major work cannot even begin at Tapp Road until the interchange at Fullerton Road completes. On a positive note, the Fullerton interchange is beginning to take shape, but work there, without a serious push, could easily slip into the spring of 2017. If that happens it's almost a guarantee construction at Tapp Road will extend into 2018.

 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on September 08, 2016, 12:45:02 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 07, 2016, 07:48:14 PM
What about the horse track?  This will drive away business.

I would say Ellis Park is the destination for the vast majority of it's customers. Is it possible an occasional motorist passing through sees the park, and decides to stop and play the ponies....yes, but I am certain that is a very, very small part of the customer base there.

It's not like US 41 will be abandoned. There will still be plenty of traffic using this route. Most commuters from Henderson going to Downtown Evansville or points west would probably still go this way, as would travelers from the south, who are also going to destinations downtown or west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 08, 2016, 04:21:07 PM
Especially if I-69 is going to be a toll bridge. US 41 will be treated the same as the US 31 bridge in Louisville when I-65 becomes toll.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 09, 2016, 11:27:40 PM
It's been a while since I've put up a photo update, so let's get to it. I'll start with more recent pictures, then move on to ones that were taken earlier but are still relevant.

I headed out about 4:00pm, Thursday, September 8, and found the entire work zone within the city limits of Bloomington dead. Not a worker was to be seen anywhere. This was not unexpected as it was known subcontractors had walked off the job. Nevertheless, the quiet was a little unsettling, all the more so as storm clouds were building. I didn't venture north past the SR 37/SR 46 interchange, so I can't say what was happening at Sample Road or Liberty Church, but if pushed to voice an opinion, I'd say "absolutely nothing." It appears "all" subcontractors have ceased working.

Photos were taken September 8, 2016, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will carry Vernal Pike/17th Street over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking west. The deck has been poured, and preps are underway to pour the approach slab.

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Looking south from near the future Vernal Pike overpass toward the SR 37/Vernal Pike intersection. In the background a crane sits in the median near the CSX railroad work zone. There mainline bridges crossing over the rail line are being expanded from two to three lanes. The SR 37/Vernal Pike crossing is now one of only two traffic-controlled intersections between the I-69/SR 37 interchange south of Bloomington and the city of Martinsville, Indiana, roughly 25 miles to the north. The other is at Tapp Road.

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Looking north from the future Vernal Pike overpass toward State Road 37 (future I-69) and the SR 37/SR 46 interchange.

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The extension of 17th Street in Bloomington that will link into Vernal Pike; looking northeast from near the overpass. The box-like structures indicate the locations of storm drains. The drains already have been installed, so the framework likely has been placed for protection.

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The point where the construction begins to extend 17th Street in Bloomington; looking east.

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Another pic of the overpass that will carry Vernal Pike/17th Street over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Bloomington; looking west. The bridge deck finisher (the yellow apparatus, background) rides this railing during the concrete deck pour. The machine is used to smooth and tine (slightly groove) the freshly poured concrete, while at the same time, form a subtle crown to the roadway. In the foreground, rebar has been placed for the approach slab, while, just beyond, work continues on the bridge sidewalks and sidewalls.

Note: Minor edits for grammar and accuracy.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2016, 12:03:50 AM
Another set. Again, photos were taken September 8, 2016, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will carry Fullerton Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north from the Rockport Road overpass. Visible on the right is initial work to shape the northbound exit ramp to Fullerton Road.

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Another perspective from the Rockport Road overpass toward the Fullerton Road overpass; looking north. From this point northward, State Road 37 (future I-69) will have three lanes in each direction for a total distance of about 11 1/2 miles. The additional lanes are being carved from the roadway median with a concrete barrier wall (pictured) to maintain traffic separation. The concrete barrier wall will end at the SR 37/SR 46 interchange, and between that point and the future Sample Road interchange to the north, a cable barrier will be installed instead.

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Storm drains near the concrete median barrier of State Road 37 (future I-69) near the Rockport Road overpass in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

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The State Road 37/Tapp Road intersection in Monroe County, Indiana; looking south. In the background is the Fullerton Pike work zone, where work to build an overpass and interchange is ongoing. Visible is heavy equipment lined up on the overpass approach, but now idle due to the subcontractor walk off.

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Another view of the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection; looking south.

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Sound Wall #2 on the east side of SR 37 between 2nd Street and Tapp Road in Bloomington. Construction of the wall has apparently ceased as no work has occurred in nearly a month. Another walk off?

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One last look at SR 37 and the Fullerton Road overpass; looking north from the Rockport Road overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2016, 02:19:30 AM
Here's some pics from late last month. Photos were taken August 30, 2016 unless otherwise noted.

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Initial work at the location of the future I-69/Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. The grading work on the right is for a new access road that will tie in with the interchange via a roundabout. The access road will extend south for about a half mile. The location of the red pickup truck is roughly where the roundabout will be built. Extending north (left) from the roundabout will be the entrance and exit ramps for southbound Interstate 69.

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Another perspective of work at the Sample Road work zone; looking east.

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Fill work at the Fullerton Road work zone where construction for the new overpass and interchange are entering the final phases; looking northeast. This is the spot where the interchange's western roundabout will be built. The entrance and exit ramps for southbound I-69, which will link into the roundabout, will be located where the earth mound is at left. Keep in mind that the ground in the foreground will be substantially built up, perhaps as high as 10 or 12 feet. The overpass that will carry Fullerton Road over State Road 37 (future I-69) is off to the right out of view.

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This is the same location as depicted in the photo above, but exactly one week later, September 6. Crews have excavated the area where the roundabout will be located. It's likely drainage structures will be placed before the ground is built up, but exactly what they're doing at this stage is not truly known. Due to the subcontractor work stoppage, the heavy equipment has been lined up in orderly fashion but lies idle.

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The scene at the Fullerton Road work zone at the end of August before the present work stoppage; looking northeast. In the background is the overpass that will carry Fullerton Road over SR 37 (future I-69).

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Another photo depicting work at Fullerton at end of August; looking northeast.

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And lastly, an expansive view of the work zone for the future Interstate 69/Sample Road interchange; looking east. State Road 37 is visible in the background near the service station and convenience store (right). Sample Road can be partially seen on the far left. The work underway in the foreground is to build up the ground for a new access road to serve the residences and businesses west of the future Interstate. The access road will link into the I-69/Sample Road interchange at a roundabout located about where the red pickup truck is located.

Also, in this vicinity, a completely new section of mainline roadway will be constructed. This new stretch of roadway will become the future southbound lanes of Interstate 69. The current southbound lanes of State Road 37 will then become the northbound lanes of the interstate, while the current northbound of lanes of SR 37 will be turned into an access road to serve the businesses and residential developments east of the interstate.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
For those of you who aren't aware of my Flickr page, and for those who are but rarely visit, here's a sampling of photos that were taken between June and September 2016. Individual pictures will be dated in the captions.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/

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Looking east toward the future Vernal Pike roadway and overpass (background) over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana. The structure in the foreground is a pre-fab ConSpan bridge, one of the first major elements of Section 5 work. It appears there has been a late design change as the roadway has been torn up to install a storm sewer conduit. Photo: August 25.

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The short connector road between Fullerton Road and S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. in Monroe County, Indiana, just after paving; looking west. This road, which had to be completed before the Fullerton Road/S. Monroe Medical intersection could be sealed off, is now open to traffic. Photo: August 12.

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State Road 37 and the three mainline bridges that are undergoing expansion from two to three lanes; looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass. The bridges, from south to north, cross (1) Griffy Creek [foreground], (2) Beanblossom Creek [just beyond the yellow gantry crane], and (3) Beanblossom Overflow [beyond the N. Walnut Street overpass]. Sample Road, where a new interchange will be built, is just past the crest of the hill in the background. Photo: August 6.

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The Kinser Pike overpass and newly paved roadway; looking northwest. The top layer of asphalt still remains to be applied. Another subcontractor walk off, perhaps? Photo: August 6.

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Another view of the new Kinser Pike roadway; looking east from the Kinser Pike overpass. Photo: August 6.

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South of the Fullerton Road overpass, construction of median barrier wall on State Road 37; looking north from the Rockport Road overpass. Photo: June 29.

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The W. Arlington Road bridge over SR 37; looking northwest. At the time of the photo, the bridge was in the process of being raised to meet interstate standards. That work has been completed and the bridge is open to traffic. Photo: June 11.

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Another perspective of the W. Arlington Road bridge; looking west. The white tubing carries cable, telephone and electricity, and is attached underneath the bridge. Photo: June 11.

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Another view of the bridge work underway on SR 37 at Griffy and Beanblossom creeks; looking northeast. Photo: August 6.

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An excavator sits atop earthwork near the overpass that will take Fullerton Road over SR 37 (future I-69); looking east. Photo: August 22.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on September 19, 2016, 10:10:31 PM
Nice photos, thanks!  I'm seriously thinking about taking a day off work in the next couple weeks to roadtrip from metro Detroit to Washington IN and back, largely to see IN-37 in mid-transformation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on September 20, 2016, 09:54:33 AM
Are they going to install lights along SR 37 from the I-69/37 split up to SR 46 (like they do currently between 45 and 48)? I would think that they would.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 20, 2016, 03:43:50 PM
From Indy Star

I-69 Section 5 project pushed back again

http://www.courierpress.com/story/news/local/2016/09/20/-69-section-5-project-pushed-back-again/90727512/

INDIANAPOLIS -- Completion on Section 5 of Intestate 69 has been pushed back yet again, this time to October 2017, amid concerns that the lead contractor is still behind on payments to subcontractors.Indiana Finance Authority Finance Director Dan Huge testified before the Interim Roads and Transportation Committee on Tuesday, giving them an update on the 21-mile construction project from Bloomington to Martinsville. Huge said the lead contractor on the project, Isolux Corsan, is still in violation due to missed payments and has until Oct. 3 to remedy the situation."We're not happy (that) subcontractors aren't being paid," Huge said. "There's no excuse for not paying the (subcontractors) and that's what we are holding them accountable for."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on September 20, 2016, 05:36:45 PM
This is a good example of why public private partnerships are a bad idea.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 20, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 20, 2016, 05:36:45 PM
This is a good example of why public private partnerships are a bad idea.

I'd say mostly, but not completely, some turn out good, some not so much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on September 21, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
Re: Indiana Toll Road
Re: I-126 Toll Road (whatever it's now called)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2016, 08:37:14 AM
I'm taking a (very) out of the way route to Elkhart on 10/8 in order to clinch US 231 between Dale and Loogootee and I-69 from Washington to Bloomington, and to check out the construction north of Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: compdude787 on September 21, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 21, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
Re: Indiana Toll Road
Re: I-126 Toll Road (whatever it's now called)

Huh? Are you saying that those are public-private partnerships?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on September 22, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on September 21, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 21, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
Re: Indiana Toll Road
Re: I-126 Toll Road (whatever it's now called)

Huh? Are you saying that those are public-private partnerships?

Those were only two PPPs that failed spectacularly.  At least in terms of the Indiana Toll Road, Indiana sold it for a pile of magic beans:  The operator took Indiana's money, hiked tolls considerably, and then declared bankruptcy and ran laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on September 22, 2016, 01:00:26 PM
Yeah they probably ran laughing all the way to the bank while selling more propaganda about the evils of socialism and how anything government run is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 22, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
In the case of the Indiana Toll Road, no one wanted to take the responsibility to raise the tolls to a level they felt needed to be raised to pay for the maintenance, etc of the road, and they didn't want to drop it back onto the taxpayers.  A large portion of the traffic on the ITR is not Indiana based (as far as I can tell), and that's one way to pull money from other states.  They get someone to blame for higher rates and then also get a bunch of money to pay for highway projects around the state.  If the private partnership declares bankruptcy, Indiana already has the money, and then gets the Toll Road at the updated toll rates.  Except for perhaps difficulties during the bankruptcy, I see more upside to the whole deal than not.  Indiana did this at a very opportune time 10+ years ago.  If they tried that today, they would be offered less than half of what they received.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 22, 2016, 02:20:01 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 22, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
In the case of the Indiana Toll Road, no one wanted to take the responsibility to raise the tolls to a level they felt needed to be raised to pay for the maintenance, etc of the road, and they didn't want to drop it back onto the taxpayers.  A large portion of the traffic on the ITR is not Indiana based (as far as I can tell), and that's one way to pull money from other states.  They get someone to blame for higher rates and then also get a bunch of money to pay for highway projects around the state.  If the private partnership declares bankruptcy, Indiana already has the money, and then gets the Toll Road at the updated toll rates.  Except for perhaps difficulties during the bankruptcy, I see more upside to the whole deal than not.  Indiana did this at a very opportune time 10+ years ago.  If they tried that today, they would be offered less than half of what they received.

quite possibly the greatest deal ever, for indiana when it comes to the money
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before, and Indiana is banned by contract from improving east-west roads within 10-20 miles of the toll road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 23, 2016, 12:21:48 AM

Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before ...

According to whom? Do you have any evidence to support this statement?

Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM... and Indiana is banned by contract from improving east-west roads within 10-20 miles of the toll road.

Certainly, there are contractual provisions to prohibit the state of Indiana from expanding and improving east-west roads within a certain distance from the toll road. That's proper and only fair to the concessionaire.

Quote from: Rothman on September 22, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on September 21, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 21, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
Re: Indiana Toll Road
Re: I-126 Toll Road (whatever it's now called)

Huh? Are you saying that those are public-private partnerships?

Those were only two PPPs that failed spectacularly.  At least in terms of the Indiana Toll Road, Indiana sold it for a pile of magic beans:  The operator took Indiana's money, hiked tolls considerably, and then declared bankruptcy and ran laughing all the way to the bank.

Cintra—Macquarie, the joint venture that entered the P3 toll road lease agreement, paid the state of Indiana $3,800,000,000, in cash. To raise that money, they borrowed a huge sum. Unfortunately, when the great recession hit and toll revenues fell because of declining traffic, Cintra—Macquarie was unable to meet its debt obligations. So they turned to the bankruptcy courts for relief. As it turned out, luck was on their side, and they were able to sell the lease concession for big bucks to get out of the deal without any great loss, or even, perhaps, a profit.

The amount that tolls can be increased per year is firmly set in the P3 agreement. So, no, they didn't just "jack up" the tolls on a whim. In fact, for 2-axle vehicles using an E-ZPass transponder (Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio), the cost of the full 157- mile trip is the same as it was in 1985–$4.65. Now, for those paying cash, it's a lot higher. So a good deal for the residents of Indiana, Illinois and Ohio, as well as others using E-ZPass.

Source: http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/Toll_Road_Rates_2015(1).pdf

Indiana hasn't been "losing" on its P3 deals, not by a long shot. To be sure, the pluses and minuses of P3 agreements won't be truly clear until a few deals begin to wind down several years from now, with the results carefully analyzed.

For those interested, here's the link to the official Indiana Toll Road P3 agreement:

http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/4-12-06-Concession-Lease-Agreement.pdf

And here's the link to all the amendments and operating standards manuals:

http://www.in.gov/ifa/2328.htm



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 23, 2016, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before, and Indiana is banned by contract from improving east-west roads within 10-20 miles of the toll road.
so this means US 20 can never be upgraded? 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on September 23, 2016, 09:36:23 AM
And the state did nothing to get the money it was owed from the bankrupt operator (http://www.ibj.com/articles/50219-state-wont-try-to-reclaim-indiana-toll-road-from-bankrupt-operator). Here is the kicker:

""In 2005, the year before the road was leased, the state of Indiana did not collect sufficient tolls to support basic road treatments, or repair the deteriorating conditions of the highway and bridges," she wrote. "These improvements could not have been undertaken within INDOT's budget without neglecting other parts of the state highway system."

Indiana officials, however, hadn't increased tolls for 20 years before then-Gov. Mitch Daniels pushed the 2006 deal under which ITR's parent company, the Spanish-Australian consortium Cintra-Macquarie, paid the state $3.8 billion upfront for a 75-year lease of the highway."

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ITR has more than doubled tolls for cash users and while it is rebuilding significant portions of the roadway, it's still in poor condition. Does anyone remember the South Bay Expressway, originally operated by ITR co-owner Macquarie (that also went bankrupt - and a loss of 42% for taxpayers)? Or California Toll Road 91 that went bankrupt and required $200 million from public dollars to keep it open? Here is one of the reasons why (http://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/11/20/the-great-traffic-projection-swindle/).

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This book is a great read (https://books.google.com/books?id=ztfIDAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA183&ots=nImiRmHueV&dq=indiana%20toll%20road%20worse%20shape&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=indiana%20toll%20road%20worse%20shape&f=false) on the pitfalls and successes of privitizating public assets.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 23, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on September 23, 2016, 09:36:23 AM
And the state did nothing to get the money it was owed from the bankrupt operator (http://www.ibj.com/articles/50219-state-wont-try-to-reclaim-indiana-toll-road-from-bankrupt-operator). Here is the kicker:

""In 2005, the year before the road was leased, the state of Indiana did not collect sufficient tolls to support basic road treatments, or repair the deteriorating conditions of the highway and bridges," she wrote. "These improvements could not have been undertaken within INDOT's budget without neglecting other parts of the state highway system."

I read and reread the article you referenced above. There isn't any mention whatsoever that the state of Indiana is owed money from the Indiana Toll Road concessionaire. Perhaps you intended to link to another source.

As for "the kicker," what kicker? There's no smoke there at all. That quote from Kendall York, IFA's director of finance, is simply stating fact: That prior to the Indiana Toll Road lease, the state of Indiana was not collecting enough toll revenues to offset the necessary expenditures to maintain the road as it needed to be. Maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see how this can be misconstrued as a misstep by INDOT or the state of Indiana.

I'm no expert on financial matters by any stretch, but I sense a failure by some to fully understand the nuances of public-private partnerships. To be sure, they can be complex and a challenge to figure out who might be coming out ahead.

As for the Indiana Toll Road deal, it seems the state of Indiana is winning by almost any measure. The first entity awarded the concession, Cintra—Macquarie, failed because their number crunchers dropped the ball by underestimating risk. They were able to exit the deal via bankruptcy court when the concession was sold. The buyer, ITR Concession Co., also ran into debt problems, and it, too, turned to the bankruptcy court for relief. Through the court, it was able to restructure; that is, they were able to force their creditors–the banks and private equity funds that put up the money to acquire the concession–to refinance the debt or, to put it to more bluntly, to take a financial hit.

The Indiana Toll Road public-private partnership is still in effect. It's now 10 years old, with 65 more years to go. If the concessionaire fails in any way to uphold its end of the P3 agreement, the state of Indiana has recourse to "step in" and resume control of the toll road. One of stipulations of the agreement is the concessionaire is required to spend a minimum of $600,000,000 to maintain the road. It's even possible the concessionaire might have to spend double or triple that if the road and its numerous bridges deteriorate more rapidly than expected. It's not Indiana's problem anymore, it's the concessionaire's.

And, let's repeat once more for emphasis: If the toll road concessionaire, whoever that might be, fails in its obligations under the P3 agreement, the state of Indiana can terminate the agreement and retake control of the road. The state was paid 3,800,000,000 upfront in 2006. That's keepers. While the state has the right to retake the road on default of the concessionaire, it may be reluctant to do so because the P3 deal appears to looking better and better with each passing year.

Finally, a few words about tolls. It's a double-edged sword. If too high, road users may begin to look for alternatives. Nobody is forcing anyone to drive the Indiana Toll Road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on September 23, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2016, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before ...

According to whom? Do you have any evidence to support this statement?
I seem to recall there being many mentions of declining pavement quality and service plaza condition on this forum and the Facebook groups.

Quote
Certainly, there are contractual provisions to prohibit the state of Indiana from expanding and improving east-west roads within a certain distance from the toll road. That's proper and only fair to the concessionaire.
Great for the concessionaire's profits... not so great for the people who use the road and have to drive on something that's not as good as it otherwise would be just to protect a private company's profits.  I prefer to put the experience of real people first.

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 23, 2016, 09:35:51 AM
so this means US 20 can never be upgraded? 
Correct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 23, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
At least with the service areas and pavement that problem is being rectified what with the construction that went from Portage to South Bend this year and on toward Elkhart next year. With the plan to update the service areas as well this is a problem that will be taken care of in the future.

As for the actual Interstate 69. The P3 situation hasn't played itself out well but some sick twisted part of me thinks that three years to rebuild all of SR 37 from Bloomington to Martinsville through the hilly terrain with all new bridges and exits is better than it could be. It took the state five years to do US 31 through Hamilton County on much flatter terrain (of course there was no funding problems like here.) I always believed that late 2016 was far too realistic of a goal. Of course, if the deadline is pushed back further to 2018 or 2019 then I will kindly shut up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on September 23, 2016, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 23, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2016, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before ...

According to whom? Do you have any evidence to support this statement?
I seem to recall there being many mentions of declining pavement quality and service plaza condition on this forum and the Facebook groups.


As one of those who has made comments on this forum about the deteriorating condition of the ITR and as one who has driven it regularly for decades, I can confirm that there was a great decline of the pavement and service plaza quality from what we had learned to expect. It should be pointed out that the decline began well before the lease arrangement took effect, while the Toll Road Commission was in change. This was no doubt at least partly the result of the toll rates that were too low.

During management by the first concessionaire, little was done to improve the situation. One can assume that the financial condition of that organization played a major role. The repaving and plans to replace the service plazas over the next few years give me hope that the new concessionaire will bring the ITR back to where it used to be.

I was opposed to the initial lease of the road, under the general principal that public infrastructure is managed best by the public, but I'm hoping for the best about the ITR. The PPP portion of I-69, on the other hand, is not leaving with a warm, fuzzy feeling, considering recent developments.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on September 23, 2016, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 23, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 23, 2016, 09:35:51 AM
so this means US 20 can never be upgraded? 
Correct.

Does it though?  I think that would depend upon the specific language that has been used in the contract.

The 407 contract also has a non-compete clause in it, and various local and provincial highways have been upgraded in it's vicinity since it was privatized.

I'm not writing this to be either for or against the privatization of the Indiana Toll Road, but you'd need a legal interpretation to determine what the potential fallout for US-20 or other surrounding corridors would be based upon the contract that was entered into.

"Correct" is meaningless and misleading in this case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 23, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
A person i know at indot said they were looking at putting an interchange at US 20 and SR 2
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 23, 2016, 09:56:41 PM
AFAIC the biggest looser on the ITR deal was the state of PA who turned down $9.5 Billion in cash shortly after the ITR deal, mostly because of the objections of the unionized staffing of the PA Turnpike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on September 24, 2016, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on September 23, 2016, 04:39:32 PM
Does it though?  I think that would depend upon the specific language that has been used in the contract.

The 407 contract also has a non-compete clause in it, and various local and provincial highways have been upgraded in it's vicinity since it was privatized.

I'm not writing this to be either for or against the privatization of the Indiana Toll Road, but you'd need a legal interpretation to determine what the potential fallout for US-20 or other surrounding corridors would be based upon the contract that was entered into.

"Correct" is meaningless and misleading in this case.

Most non-compete agreements would be for a similar type facility. IOW, a new limited access facility or conversion of an arterial road to a freeway. I doubt that adding lanes or doing spot intersection improvements to an arterial road would count. In today's funding environment, the potential of a competing facility would be pretty remote even without the clause.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 25, 2016, 07:46:36 AM
Quote from: theline on September 23, 2016, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 23, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2016, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before ...

According to whom? Do you have any evidence to support this statement?
I seem to recall there being many mentions of declining pavement quality and service plaza condition on this forum and the Facebook groups.


As one of those who has made comments on this forum about the deteriorating condition of the ITR and as one who has driven it regularly for decades, I can confirm that there was a great decline of the pavement and service plaza quality from what we had learned to expect. It should be pointed out that the decline began well before the lease arrangement took effect, while the Toll Road Commission was in change. This was no doubt at least partly the result of the toll rates that were too low.

During management by the first concessionaire, little was done to improve the situation. One can assume that the financial condition of that organization played a major role. The repaving and plans to replace the service plazas over the next few years give me hope that the new concessionaire will bring the ITR back to where it used to be.

I was opposed to the initial lease of the road, under the general principal that public infrastructure is managed best by the public, but I'm hoping for the best about the ITR. The PPP portion of I-69, on the other hand, is not leaving with a warm, fuzzy feeling, considering recent developments.

Most of ITR has already been resurfaced from Portage to US 31. I drove it four weeks ago, and it is in excellent shape. In all honesty, before the resurfacing, the condition of the road surface ITR was not any worse than sections of the toll-free Interstaes in Indiana.

I thought other sections of the ITR east of Mishawaka was also being resurfaced, but I have not driven that section.

I think one important point many people overlook is that the ITR was never making money for the state when it was maintained by INDOT so the lease deal was great for the state from more than one perspective.

As for the I-69 section 5 PPP, that obviously has issues. If I remember right, the I-265/East End Bridge project was also a PPP and seeems to have been built on time and on budget.  It will be interesting what the state will do about I-69 section 6.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 25, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: mukade on September 25, 2016, 07:46:36 AM
As for the I-69 section 5 PPP, that obviously has issues. If I remember right, the I-265/East End Bridge project was also a PPP and seeems to have been built on time and on budget.  It will be interesting what the state will do about I-69 section 6.

Yes, indeed, the East End Crossing project is a P3. As it nears completion, it appears the project's design and construction aspects have gone very well. For those not in the know, there's a terrific website for the project, with lots of photos, videos and live camera feeds. Earlier this month, they closed the gap in the bridge, a truly impressive feat.

http://eastendcrossing.com/

The recent discussion about the merits of P3 projects has been interesting. While I am not a strong proponent of such projects, I see some benefits in their application. For one, it shifts the responsibility to the concessionaire and its contractors to build quality. Any shoddy work will just have to be redone on the concessionaire's dime. With the ITR and the East End project, the state of Indiana appears to done well with its P3s, some might say very well.

Section 5 of the I-69 Corridor Project, however, has been a major bump in the road, so to speak. Section 6, barring a major legislative appropriation bill, will be, in all likelihood, a P3, too. The concessionaire of Section 5, I-69 Development Partners, and its design-build contractor, Isolux Corsán USA, have done themselves a major disservice in their handling of Section 5. With the recent events, it will be difficult for Indiana to select Isolux to build Section 6, even if its bid comes in lowest. If they fail to win the Section 6 contract, it's possible the Section 5 concession will be sold.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 25, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
With work resuming on Section 5 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project, here's an informal update on where things stand.

As a causal construction watcher, it appears to me that Section 5 is about 50% complete. Good progress has been made in 2016, but the work stoppages have put a dent in the timeline. Substantial completion is now expected in October 2017, a further extension of four months. The new completion date is roughly a year later than initially planned. However, the contractual completion date of October 2016 set in the P3 agreement seemed grossly unrealistic.

Here's a rundown of the elements of Section 5 and the status of their construction:

Interchanges (4 in total)
- Fullerton Road – about 75% complete (Earth work to form the ramps is underway, but a lot of fill work is needed before the western roundabout can be built; may complete in 2016, but 2017 fast approaches)
- Liberty Church Road – about 50% done (Good progress in 2016; should complete by the middle of 2017 as planned)
- Sample Road – perhaps 10% complete (Utility work seems complete, and earth work on access roads is underway, but work on the overpass itself has yet to begin)
- Tapp Road – aside from the relocation of utilities and some excavation and fill, full blown construction at Tapp Road has yet to kick off and won't until the interchange at Fullerton Road completes. (Due to the necessity of maintaining adequate access to Monroe Hospital, the Tapp Road/State Road 37 intersection cannot be closed until the interchange of Fullerton Road is open to traffic.)

Overpasses (4 in total)
- Rockport Road – complete and open to traffic
- Vernal Pike – about 80% complete (probably will finish and be opened to traffic by the end of 2016). While the bridge has received its concrete decking, work remains on the approach slabs, sidewalks and sidewalls.
- Kinser Pike – 95+% done (The overpass itself is done, however, the approach roads on both sides await a final layer of asphalt as well as striping.)
- Chambers Pike – work has not yet commenced

Added 3rd Traffic Lanes between That Road and Sample Road (about 11.35 miles total)
Good progress during 2016; should complete in 2017. The lanes and median barrier wall between That Road and the SR 37/SR 46 interchange are now about 75% complete; some work will have to wait until later, especially in the vicinity of the Tapp Road interchange. From the SR 46 interchange to the N. Walnut Street partial interchange, earth work is mostly done and subbase and base material is being applied. Around the areas of the three mainline bridges, crossing Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek and Beanblossom Overflow, work will have to wait until the bridge expansions complete. Earth work is now underway in the median from N. Walnut Street to Sample Road to carve out space for the new lanes.

Mainline Bridge Widenings and Rehabs (7 in total)
- CSX Railroad – about 80% complete (should complete in 2016)
- Griffy Creek – about 25% (probably will complete by the middle of 2017)
- Beanblossom Creek – work is underway
- Beanblosoom Creek Overflow – work is underway
- Bryant's Creek – rehab of northbound span is complete and open to traffic; initial work on the southbound span appears to have started
- Jordan Creek (Morgan County) – work has not yet started
- Little Indian Creek (Morgan County) – work has not yet commenced

New Local Access Roads
Work is underway at locations near Sample Road and Liberty Church Road, but to estimate progress is nearly impossible from a layperson's standpoint. Let's just say progress is being made. Near Liberty Church Road, three small bridges are being constructed over Jordan Creek; two are to carry interchange ramps, and one an access road. Each of these bridges has had its concrete deck pour.

Other Elements
- That Road realignment – complete and open to traffic
- Arlington Road bridge elevation – complete; bridge has been raised and is open to traffic
- Rockport Road realignment and new intersection with Fullerton Pike – about 60% done; this is actually a component of the Fullerton Road interchange project and should complete about the same time the interchange does
- 3rd Street overpass widening for new multipurpose paths – aside from an extension of the bent, no further work has commenced
- 2nd Street interchange improvements – no work has commenced
- Between Chambers Pike—Burma Road – embankment, drainage and shoulder work (northbound roadway); work is underway and should complete in the fall of 2016
- Sound Walls – (3 separate walls in total); Sound Wall #1 – no work; #2 –about 50% done; #3 – no work as yet

The key to the project at this time is completing the interchange at Fullerton Road. This will allow work to commence at Tapp Road for the new interchange there. At Sample Road, the new interchange and local access roads are, perhaps, the most demanding aspect of the entire Section 5 project. As best I can determine (and I could be wrong), about 2.5 miles of new interstate mainline are to be built in this vicinity. If this new stretch of mainline, plus the interchange at Sample Road, can be completed by the end of 2017, it will be a big step forward.

Most likely I'm missing a few project elements in the list above, and in some, my estimates concerning progress may be way off. Also, please keep in mind, this is a simply a report from an construction watcher. I am not in the construction business, never have been, nor do I work for any entity involved in Section 5. Having said that, I have been active observing construction projects for many years and have developed a certain sense of what's going on.

Up next: A few pics.

Note: Minor edits for grammar and clarification.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 25, 2016, 11:16:37 PM
Section 5. Photos were taken September 11, 2016, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will take Liberty Church Road over State Road 37 (future I-69) in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 from near the Liberty Church Road overpass. Visible are three short bridges over Jordan Creek; two of the bridges (one left of SR 37, and one right) will carry the interstate ramps; the other (far left) will carry the local access road.

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Closer look at the two bridges over Jordan Creek located west of SR 37; looking northeast.

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The State Road 37/Liberty Church Road non-traffic controlled crossing, which is still in use; looking slightly southeast from near the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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The future local access road west of SR 37 that will link into the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange; looking slightly northeast. In the background is the bridge that will take the road over Jordan Creek.

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The hydraulic cylinders that control the blade of a dozer; with State Road 37 in the background. Looking south from near the future Liberty Church Road overpass.

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Two soil compactors and two dozers lined up on the western approach to the Liberty Church Road overpass; looking northwest. The black tubing will be attached to storm drains on the overpass's approach ramp. Later, they will be covered with soil, and few will be the wiser of their existence.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 26, 2016, 12:18:38 AM
A few more. Again, photos were taken September 11, 2016, unless otherwise note. (Fifteen years ago ... ugh.)

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The work zone at Sample Road west of State Road 37 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking south. Sample Road has been erased in this area, but used to run about where the orange construction netting is located center. In the background is N. Wayport Road, which will be extended to become one of the access roads that links into the I-69/Sample Road interchange.

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The State Road 37/Sample Road crossing, which remains in use for traffic heading east on Sample Road; looking east.

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Looking north toward the work zone at Sample Road. State Road 37 is off to the right but out of view.

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State Road 37; looking north from near Sample Road. In this vicinity, the current northbound lanes of SR 37 will become a local road, with SR 37's southbound lanes becoming the northbound lanes for I-69. A new stretch of mainline interstate roadway will be built just to the west of SR 37 for the interstate's southbound lanes. (Note: I think this is correct. The drawings posted on the Section 5 website do show this layout. I'd feel more comfortable, however, if I were able to see actual construction drawings, as plans have a tendency to change.)

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Another view of the work zone at Sample Road west of SR 37; looking north. The small patch of gravel in front of the excavators is where Sample Road used to be. The contractor has put down several yards of black rubber matting to ward off erosion and rutting.

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One more view of the Sample Road work zone; looking south.

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Looking north toward the spot where the future western roundabout of the Interstate 69/Fullerton Road interchange will be constructed. Both the entrance and exit interstate ramps for southbound I-69 will run north from the roundabout in the direction of the mound of earth. The area where excavation has occurred will be built up to roughly equal the mound in the background. State Road 37 (future I-69) and the Fullerton Road overpass are to the right out of view.

The road in the foreground is S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. Of interest is the storm sewer block and related conduit (visible just beyond the concrete block). Photo was taken: September 24, 2016.

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Another perspective of the work zone where the western roundabout of I-69/Fullerton Road interchange will be built; looking slightly northeast. A small slice of State Road 37 (future I-69) is visible to the right. Photo: September 24.

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And, lastly, one more of the Fullerton Road interchange work zone west of SR 37; looking north. Photo: September 24.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on September 26, 2016, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: mukade on September 25, 2016, 07:46:36 AM
Quote from: theline on September 23, 2016, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 23, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2016, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on September 22, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
Meanwhile, the Indiana Toll Road is significantly less well maintained than it was before ...

According to whom? Do you have any evidence to support this statement?
I seem to recall there being many mentions of declining pavement quality and service plaza condition on this forum and the Facebook groups.


As one of those who has made comments on this forum about the deteriorating condition of the ITR and as one who has driven it regularly for decades, I can confirm that there was a great decline of the pavement and service plaza quality from what we had learned to expect. It should be pointed out that the decline began well before the lease arrangement took effect, while the Toll Road Commission was in change. This was no doubt at least partly the result of the toll rates that were too low.

During management by the first concessionaire, little was done to improve the situation. One can assume that the financial condition of that organization played a major role. The repaving and plans to replace the service plazas over the next few years give me hope that the new concessionaire will bring the ITR back to where it used to be.

I was opposed to the initial lease of the road, under the general principal that public infrastructure is managed best by the public, but I'm hoping for the best about the ITR. The PPP portion of I-69, on the other hand, is not leaving with a warm, fuzzy feeling, considering recent developments.

Most of ITR has already been resurfaced from Portage to US 31. I drove it four weeks ago, and it is in excellent shape. In all honesty, before the resurfacing, the condition of the road surface ITR was not any worse than sections of the toll-free Interstaes in Indiana.

I thought other sections of the ITR east of Mishawaka was also being resurfaced, but I have not driven that section.

I think one important point many people overlook is that the ITR was never making money for the state when it was maintained by INDOT so the lease deal was great for the state from more than one perspective.

As for the I-69 section 5 PPP, that obviously has issues. If I remember right, the I-265/East End Bridge project was also a PPP and seeems to have been built on time and on budget.  It will be interesting what the state will do about I-69 section 6.

Not to nitpick (well maybe a little) but some statements about the ITR need clarification.

The resurfacing is done between roughly Portage and South Bend, as stated. IIRC the part east of South Bend is scheduled to be repaved next year.

It's not accurate that "the ITR was never making money for the state." Many improvements were made to roads near the toll road from excess ITR funds in the '80s and early '90s. (My brain is a little fuzzy on the dates.) I believe that part of the St. Joseph Valley Parkway and the Main Street extension in Mishawaka got some of those funds. Eventually, due to the failure to increase tolls and falling usage of the ITR, the excess funds dried up and the ITR became a money loser.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 03, 2016, 09:56:32 PM

Earlier this year in May a very significant event occurred that has implications for Section 5. One of Canada's largest pension investment mangers, the Public Sector Pension Investment Board (PSP Investments) became the sole shareholder of Isolux Infrastructure Netherlands B.V. This means that PSP Investments, apparently, now controls I-69 Development Partners, the concessionaire of Section 5. As a result, the original setup of Isolux Infrastructure–I-69 Development Partners–Isolux Corsán USA (design-build contractor) is bye-bye, with the last remaining Isolux connection to Section 5 being solely Isolux Corsán USA, the prime contractor. Isolux Infrastructure has been renamed ROADIS by PSP Investments.

The new arrangement of PSP Investments–ROADIS–I-69 Development Partners–Isolux Corsán USA helps explain why last month, due to the subcontractor nonpayment issue, I-69 Development Partners sought and was granted (by court order) access to an Isolux Corsán $23 million letter of credit. This letter of credit was one of performance securities Isolux submitted before construction on Section 5 commenced.

This week and the next couple will be crucial in how things play out. The 30-day deadline set in motion with last month's Indiana Finance Authority's warning letter of non-compliance is this week. Some media reports identify October 3rd as being the actual deadline date. If the pertinent issues detailed in the warning letter have yet to resolved, the State of Indiana through the IFA may declare the concessionaire, I-69 Development Partners, in default of the P3 agreement. If this, in fact, transpires, the State may take control of Section 5. I-69 Development Partners itself has issued a warning notice to its prime contractor, Isolux Corsán USA, for nonpayment to subcontractors. With pressure from its new owner, ROADIS, I-69 Development Partners may be forced to make a decision whether to continue on with Isolux Corsán USA as its design-build contractor. In additon, Aztec Engineering Group, the principal design-engineers for Section 5, is, apparently, no longer associated with the project. If so, and if additional design work is needed, another design-engineering firm will have to brought in.

Here's the pertinent links:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/psp-investments-launches-roadis-its-new-global-road-investment-platform-577983081.html
Press release announcing the acquisition of Isolux Infrastructure and the creation of ROADIS.

http://www.roadis.com/en/
ROADIS website.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/i--contractor-says-payment-issues-are-resolved/article_27ad1262-3eef-5f66-98e1-a57b6e203eab.html
Unfortunately behind a paywall; details the granting of access to the $23 Isolux performance security.

http://www.aztec.us/portfolio/i-69-section-5-ppp/
Aztec "was" ...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 31, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Since it's been nearly a month since my previous post, here's a quick update on the status of Section 5 plus a few photos.

Construction has been proceeding normally for the past month. Media reports have affirmed that Isolux Corsán USA remains the prime contractor. Also, officially affirmed, once again, is the completion date of October 2017. At this time, there appears to be more of a push to make progress. Crews were out working on Sunday, October 30, in the area between Burma Road and Bryant's Creek, reshaping and regrading embankments. Those who drive SR 37 regularly are quite aware this is a major choke point where two lanes are funneled down to one and SR 37's southbound lanes are used for two way traffic. I imagine efforts are being made to finish work in this area by Thanksgiving and return northbound traffic to the northbound lanes before winter.

At Sample Road, the wires and their respective poles have been removed. Work continues with grading, but the overpass itself has not yet started. Also, in this vicinity, about two miles of new interstate mainline are to be constructed, but there is little to show for it at this time. On a positive note, about a mile south, the Kinser Pike overpass and roadway is now open to traffic.

If work continues steadily for the next year, major components of Section 5 should complete in 2017, including the Fullerton Road interchange, the Vernal Pike overpass, the Liberty Church Road overpass, and the added travel lanes between That Road and Sample Road. This is good news. At the same time, considerable work may remain unfinished, namely the interchanges at Sample Road and Tapp Road. An overpass also must be built at Chambers Road.

Let's go to the pictures. Photos were taken October 14, 2016, unless otherwise noted.


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Looking north from the Rockport Road overpass toward the Fullerton Road overpass. Crews have roughed out the northbound exit and entrance ramps. The inner portion of the roadway still needs its final layer of asphalt. Once this is done, the traffic lanes will be shifted so work can begin in earnest connecting the ramps to the roadway. Photo: October 15.

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Fill work to build up the ground for the western section of the I-69/Fullerton Road interchange; looking north. At this location, a traffic roundabout will be constructed. The Fullerton Road overpass is to right, but not visible. In the background is a slice of SR 37 with its median barrier wall.

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Another perspective of the fill work at the Fullerton Road work site; looking east.

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Excavation work at the Fullerton Road work site; looking north. Photo: October 26.

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One more of the fill work underway at the Fullerton Road work site; looking north. This is where the Fullerton Road and S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. intersection used to be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brandon on November 01, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 22, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
In the case of the Indiana Toll Road, no one wanted to take the responsibility to raise the tolls to a level they felt needed to be raised to pay for the maintenance, etc of the road, and they didn't want to drop it back onto the taxpayers.  A large portion of the traffic on the ITR is not Indiana based (as far as I can tell), and that's one way to pull money from other states.  They get someone to blame for higher rates and then also get a bunch of money to pay for highway projects around the state.  If the private partnership declares bankruptcy, Indiana already has the money, and then gets the Toll Road at the updated toll rates.  Except for perhaps difficulties during the bankruptcy, I see more upside to the whole deal than not.  Indiana did this at a very opportune time 10+ years ago.  If they tried that today, they would be offered less than half of what they received.

Indiana majorly screwed up, IMHO, when they decided to build the road where they did.  The routing was put north, IIRC, to partially screw Michigan out of a possible US-112 freeway (which was being thought of at the time).  A far better, and far more useful to Indiana routing, would have been to route the Toll Road south of South Bend and Elkhart, near Goshen, and then near the north end of Fort Wayne, then along Fort-to-Port to Toledo.  Indiana also made mistakes on the west end, agreeing to align with the Calumet (now Chicago) Skyway instead of just going west into the Borman Expressway.  That section of the Toll Road has never lived up to expectations.  All the traffic got off the Toll Road and made its way to the Borman, and then later exited the Toll Road at the Borman to use the free route to Chicago, or use the Tri-State Tollway (which makes a shitload of money).  ISTHC (now ISTHA) initially lost out to Chicago for the ending of the Toll Road, but they did get the traffic in the long run.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 01, 2016, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: Brandon on November 01, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 22, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
In the case of the Indiana Toll Road, no one wanted to take the responsibility to raise the tolls to a level they felt needed to be raised to pay for the maintenance, etc of the road, and they didn't want to drop it back onto the taxpayers.  A large portion of the traffic on the ITR is not Indiana based (as far as I can tell), and that's one way to pull money from other states.  They get someone to blame for higher rates and then also get a bunch of money to pay for highway projects around the state.  If the private partnership declares bankruptcy, Indiana already has the money, and then gets the Toll Road at the updated toll rates.  Except for perhaps difficulties during the bankruptcy, I see more upside to the whole deal than not.  Indiana did this at a very opportune time 10+ years ago.  If they tried that today, they would be offered less than half of what they received.

Indiana majorly screwed up, IMHO, when they decided to build the road where they did.  The routing was put north, IIRC, to partially screw Michigan out of a possible US-112 freeway (which was being thought of at the time).  A far better, and far more useful to Indiana routing, would have been to route the Toll Road south of South Bend and Elkhart, near Goshen, and then near the north end of Fort Wayne, then along Fort-to-Port to Toledo.  Indiana also made mistakes on the west end, agreeing to align with the Calumet (now Chicago) Skyway instead of just going west into the Borman Expressway.  That section of the Toll Road has never lived up to expectations.  All the traffic got off the Toll Road and made its way to the Borman, and then later exited the Toll Road at the Borman to use the free route to Chicago, or use the Tri-State Tollway (which makes a shitload of money).  ISTHC (now ISTHA) initially lost out to Chicago for the ending of the Toll Road, but they did get the traffic in the long run.

Interesting, I never thought of it, but it would have made sense to have the toll road go to fort wayne instead of where it goes now.  it could have curved south to replace us 30, went through ft wayne, then curved back to it's alignment in ohio somewhere.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 01, 2016, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 01, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 22, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
In the case of the Indiana Toll Road, no one wanted to take the responsibility to raise the tolls to a level they felt needed to be raised to pay for the maintenance, etc of the road, and they didn't want to drop it back onto the taxpayers.  A large portion of the traffic on the ITR is not Indiana based (as far as I can tell), and that's one way to pull money from other states.  They get someone to blame for higher rates and then also get a bunch of money to pay for highway projects around the state.  If the private partnership declares bankruptcy, Indiana already has the money, and then gets the Toll Road at the updated toll rates.  Except for perhaps difficulties during the bankruptcy, I see more upside to the whole deal than not.  Indiana did this at a very opportune time 10+ years ago.  If they tried that today, they would be offered less than half of what they received.

Indiana majorly screwed up, IMHO, when they decided to build the road where they did.  The routing was put north, IIRC, to partially screw Michigan out of a possible US-112 freeway (which was being thought of at the time).  A far better, and far more useful to Indiana routing, would have been to route the Toll Road south of South Bend and Elkhart, near Goshen, and then near the north end of Fort Wayne, then along Fort-to-Port to Toledo.  Indiana also made mistakes on the west end, agreeing to align with the Calumet (now Chicago) Skyway instead of just going west into the Borman Expressway.  That section of the Toll Road has never lived up to expectations.  All the traffic got off the Toll Road and made its way to the Borman, and then later exited the Toll Road at the Borman to use the free route to Chicago, or use the Tri-State Tollway (which makes a shitload of money).  ISTHC (now ISTHA) initially lost out to Chicago for the ending of the Toll Road, but they did get the traffic in the long run.

I am not quite sure what this has to do with I-69, but I think the toll road location theory has at least a couple of flaws. First, the Ohio Turnpike preceded the Indiana Toll Road so ITR never would have been able to go thru Fort Wayne. Second, the Borman (or Tri-State as it was known) was also built before the ITR. Finally, at the time the toll road was built, northern Lake County was the prime commercial and industrial area of Northwest Indiana, and the much of where the Borman now goes and points south were quite rural. It made sense before the suburban sprawl that eventually came in a big way.

As for where it goes around South Bend and Elkhart, where it was routed makes sense to me. It is near Notre Dame for one thing, but the Michiana area at one point was a lot closer to an even split between Indiana and Michigan so the route seems logical to me. Yes, they also beat Michigan to the punch, but one state had to win out. Do you blame them for that?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 02, 2016, 11:19:50 PM
More pictures. The photos of the Vernal Pike work zone were taken October 26, while those at the Fullerton Road site were snapped October 31.

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Looking east from Rockport Road in Monroe County, Indiana, toward the work zone where Fullerton Road is being completely rebuilt east of State Road 37 as part of Section 5 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project. Near the crest of the hill in the background, but not visible, is the overpass that will take Fullerton Road over I-69.

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Another perspective of the Fullerton Road work zone east. The front-end loader had just been started up to move it onto a transport truck for removal from the site.

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The Vernal Pike work site west of SR 37; looking east. Crews have formed the roadway and are now working to finish a retaining wall. The area in front of the ConSpan bridge is still torn up as a result to install a storm sewer, a late design change. A slice of SR 37 is visible in the background right.

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Another view of the Vernal Pike work zone.

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Closer look of work occurring near the ConSpan bridge.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 02, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
Hey guys. With winter fast approaching, here's a final update on the status of Section 5 for 2016. Plus, as well, some pics.

Progress. Since October crews have been pushing hard to make headway. There is now momentum. In early November, work was ongoing on both Saturday and Sunday. Clearly, the green light has been turned on to get Section 5 finished. This is a very welcome change. Many elements of Section 5 should complete in 2017, namely (1) the Liberty Church Road interchange and its respective access roads; (2) the Fullerton Road interchange; (3) the Vernal Pike overpass in Bloomington; and (4) the added 3rd mainline lanes between That Road and Sample Road. Work on widening the mainline bridges over Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek, Beanblossom Overflow, and the CSX Railroad is progressing well and all should complete in 2017. One of the three planned soundwalls is now installed, too.

At the same time, however, a lot of work remains as 2016 comes to a close. Aside from utility relocation, work has not yet started on the Tapp Road interchange. Due to maintaining adequate access to Monroe Hospital, the interchange at Fullerton Road must complete and be opened to traffic before Tapp Road can be closed at State Road 37 (future I-69) for construction of the interchange. That won't happen until early spring 2017 at the earliest. At Sample Road earth work is well underway on the new local access roads. Construction of the overpass itself has not started. About two miles of new mainline interstate are to be constructed between Sample Road and the to-be-built Chambers Pike overpass. Crews have begun the initial earth work for the mainline section between Sample Road and W. Simpson Chapel Road. Also, there is the overpass at Chambers Pike, where work has not yet started. While most elements of Section 5 likely will complete in 2017, completing the three components just mentioned–Tapp Road, Sample, and Chambers Pike–by the end of 2017 may prove problematic. Nevertheless, by late 2017 the end of the entire project should be clearly in sight.

To the pics. Photos were taken November 6, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana, toward State Road 37 (future I-69). Pictured are the three zones where mainline bridges are being widened over (1) Griffy Creek, (2) Beanblossom Creek, and (3) Beanblossom Overflow. The overpass is for the partial N. Walnut Street interchange. Sample Road, where a future interchange will be constructed, is located just beyond the crest of the hill.

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Closer look at ongoing work on the bridges over Griffy Creek; looking northwest.

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Looking north from the Arlington Road overpass toward SR 37 (future I-69). The Kinser Pike overpass is just around the bend. The added third lanes have now been paved. Between Arlington Road and Sample Road, a median cable barrier will be installed.

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Looking east toward the construction zone at Sample Road.

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The earth work underway to form the local access road that will run south from the Sample Road interchange's western roundabout. The access road splits as it approaches the roundabout.

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Work to form the eastern access road south of Sample Road; looking south. This road, in large part, will run closely parallel to future I-69. A slice of SR 37 is visible in the background.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on December 14, 2016, 10:13:06 AM
Any update on the Ohio River Bridge?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on December 14, 2016, 10:20:41 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 14, 2016, 10:13:06 AM
Any update on the Ohio River Bridge?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245.msg2187335#msg2187335
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 06, 2017, 03:05:00 PM
Some confusion now as to whether the completion date for this project has been delayed again to Aug 2018 (as the City of Bloomington is claiming).  Article is a couple weeks old

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/completion-date-of-i-69-expansion-from-bloomington-to-martinsville-unclear

Quote

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- Two groups of people heavily impacted by I-69's expansion from Bloomington to Martinsville have released different dates of when the project will be completed, which in turn has caused confusion for many.

On Tuesday, city employees were invited to attend a closed meeting to discuss the timeline of Section 5 of I-69, according to the Bloomington Mayor's Office. During the meeting, Isolux Development Partners told employees the project would not be completed until August 2018.

Later that night, Gov. Eric Holcomb's press secretary said the construction was projected to be complete by October of 2017, not August of 2018.

The secretary said the 2018 date was mentioned in error during the meeting.

With two different dates of the project's completion making its way around town, it has led to confusion.

"I continue to be exceedingly frustrated with the opaque nature of this process. A major delay being disclosed in a small meeting is not how government should operate,"  said Bloomington Mayor John Hamilton. "Just yesterday two more people were injured in a construction zone crash. None of the partners in this project will take responsibility for the ongoing problem that this project has become for the thousands of people who rely on this transportation corridor every day. Hoosier residents and travelers are dealing with avoidable delays, inconvenience, and safety risks. I will be requesting a meeting with Governor Holcomb to express my concern and ask for transparent collaboration and a real plan for completion."

Officials at the Bloomington Mayor's Office said during the closed meeting, negotiations between Isolux and its subcontractors were described as ongoing and needing to be finalized before a firm date of completion could then be formally negotiated with the Indiana Department of Transportation and the Indiana Finance Authority.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on February 06, 2017, 05:07:35 PM
Oct 2017 is a push, IMO. The Tapp road interchange hasn't even been started yet. I haven't been up to Sample Road since October, but that hadn't been started yet either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
It is obvious that SR 37 is more than sufficient to service the needs of the community.  What a waste.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on February 06, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
It is obvious that SR 37 is more than sufficient to service the needs of the community.

Perhaps if one enjoys the numerous stoplights and somewhat heavy traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on February 06, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 06, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
It is obvious that SR 37 is more than sufficient to service the needs of the community.

Perhaps if one enjoys the numerous stoplights and somewhat heavy traffic.

Indeed. I enjoy getting stopped at one of Martinsville's numerous stop lights and taking 30 minutes to go 5 miles once you get closer to Indy due to the stop lights and heavy traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 06, 2017, 08:04:30 PM
this highway should have been built as one of the original highways, it makes no sense that indy and evansville were never connected by an interstate until now. not even a us highway!  i still don't understand why not even 37 wasn't built to service evansville originally
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 06, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
Agreed. I also agree that October of 2017 is a stretch. I think if nothing else, that will be the time in which all the stoplights are gone and the highway is effectively a freeway. Similar in approach to how US 31 was "finished" at the end of 2015 in Carmel even though the last two interchanges were still well under construction. They could still be building the Sample and Tapp interchanges while claiming that the highway is "finished."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 06, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 06, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
Agreed. I also agree that October of 2017 is a stretch. I think if nothing else, that will be the time in which all the stoplights and the highway is effectively a freeway. Similar in approach to how US 31 was "finished" at the end of 2015 in Carmel even though the last two interchanges were still well under construction. They could still be building the Sample and Tapp interchanges while claiming that the highway is "finished."

i think the term they use is "substantially complete" which i guess means the mainline is done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 07, 2017, 01:04:37 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 06, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 06, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
Agreed. I also agree that October of 2017 is a stretch. I think if nothing else, that will be the time in which all the stoplights and the highway is effectively a freeway. Similar in approach to how US 31 was "finished" at the end of 2015 in Carmel even though the last two interchanges were still well under construction. They could still be building the Sample and Tapp interchanges while claiming that the highway is "finished."

i think the term they use is "substantially complete" which i guess means the mainline is done.

Once we get beyond winter, I suspect the contractor will go "balls to the wall" to get it done by October.  I doubt anyone will tolerate any further delay.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on February 07, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
It is obvious that SR 37 is more than sufficient to service the needs of the community.  What a waste.

A waste to who? Some clown in Tennessee who keeps posting that Henderson is better off with a traffic snarled US 41, than a full fledged interstate highway.

Everyone has a right to post their opinion, but please, bring some intelligence once in a while.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on February 08, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on February 07, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
It is obvious that SR 37 is more than sufficient to service the needs of the community.  What a waste.

A waste to who? Some clown in Tennessee who keeps posting that Henderson is better off with a traffic snarled US 41, than a full fledged interstate highway.

Everyone has a right to post their opinion, but please, bring some intelligence once in a while.

Roads aren't meant to serve only those who live in that community. Even if I-69 wasn't being built all the way from Evansville to Indy, my understanding of IN 37 is such that a freeway upgrade to connect Bloomington and Indy might be beneficial on its own.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 08, 2017, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 08, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on February 07, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
It is obvious that SR 37 is more than sufficient to service the needs of the community.  What a waste.

A waste to who? Some clown in Tennessee who keeps posting that Henderson is better off with a traffic snarled US 41, than a full fledged interstate highway.

Everyone has a right to post their opinion, but please, bring some intelligence once in a while.

Roads aren't meant to serve only those who live in that community. Even if I-69 wasn't being built all the way from Evansville to Indy, my understanding of IN 37 is such that a freeway upgrade to connect Bloomington and Indy might be beneficial on its own.

AADT is 20k-40k+ through that stretch (highest in Bloomington and as you get closer to Indianapolis).  It supposedly was on the schedule to get upgraded to a full freeway even before I-69 between Evansville/Bloomington was built as new terrain.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on February 13, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Delayed to May 2018  :no:: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/fox59/2017/02/13/-69-construction-deadline-pushed-back/97848996/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on February 13, 2017, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on February 13, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Delayed to May 2018  :no:: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/fox59/2017/02/13/-69-construction-deadline-pushed-back/97848996/

From that article:
QuoteFour lanes of traffic, two north bound and two south bound, to be continuously open through the greater Bloomington area beginning on August 15, 2017.
Four lanes will be open from Sample Road to Martinsville for student move-in and home football and basketball games beginning August 15, 2017.
The section north of Sample Road to Martinsville also will open to four lanes of traffic continuously no later than March 31, 2018.
Completion of Section 5 by May 31, 2018.

So it sounds like the Sample Rd-Martinsville section will be constantly going back and forth between 4 and <4 lanes open from August until possibly March. That ought to be interesting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 13, 2017, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 13, 2017, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on February 13, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Delayed to May 2018  :no:: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/fox59/2017/02/13/-69-construction-deadline-pushed-back/97848996/

From that article:
QuoteFour lanes of traffic, two north bound and two south bound, to be continuously open through the greater Bloomington area beginning on August 15, 2017.
Four lanes will be open from Sample Road to Martinsville for student move-in and home football and basketball games beginning August 15, 2017.
The section north of Sample Road to Martinsville also will open to four lanes of traffic continuously no later than March 31, 2018.
Completion of Section 5 by May 31, 2018.

So it sounds like the Sample Rd-Martinsville section will be constantly going back and forth between 4 and <4 lanes open from August until possibly March. That ought to be interesting.

They've already been doing this for move-in day at Indiana University & home football games on the project.

Basically there's 15k+ people who come down that route to games (mainly from the Indianapolis area).  There are bad backups, especially after the game is over.   If they had the road down to 2-lanes it'd take people 5 hours to get home.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 17, 2017, 05:37:52 PM
finally was able to drive the entire new section of 69 down to evansville and back, here are my obseravations:

the highway is extremely low traffic, even though it's connected to 37 now.  i see why it's called the indiana autobahn, i saw only one cop the whole way, you could easily go 90+mph. 

i like the fact the road is mostly concrete, the asphalt sections seem completely random.  must have been a different contract in those areas.

there are absolutely no mileage signs which i found annoying, no indication on how far away evansville was or any other city along the route.

the gibson county signage is weird, they posted the name of all the overpassing streets on the top of the embankment, i've never seen this before i don't like it. 

there were at least 2 bgs missing. 

almost no bbs, but i think this is because there is still nothing along this road. 

there aren't enough exits on this route, i know a few were scrapped to save money, but there's easily over 10 miles in between exists most of the time, don't be low on gas on this road!

it has what has to be the highest overpass in the state at mm 109, not sure what road that is.

the bloomington portion is slowly moving along, vernal pike is done, sr 45 is still under construction, sr 48 nothing but the new piers are done.  the highway is 4 lanes wide now, with a 2 lane portion near martinsville.

Isn't 69 supposed to be 6 lanes from Indy to Bloomington? or was it just til sample road?

Absolutely nothing has happened just outside of Bloomington to the 2 lane portion (Morgan Monroe county line area). 

I know this is all very late, but I still wanted to post my thoughts anyway. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on March 17, 2017, 10:48:07 PM
Snipped from email received from indot@subscriptions.in.gov;

INDIANAPOLIS (March 17, 2017) — The final leg of Interstate 69 from Evansville to Indianapolis is one step closer to reality with the release of its Tier 2 Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS).  In addition to increasing economic activity in the corridor, exhaustive studies and public input conclude that I-69 Section 6 will improve safety and travel times between Martinsville and Indianapolis.

The Draft EIS recommends a preferred route and footprint for the 26 miles of new and upgraded highway, including the location and types of 10 exits, 16 overpasses or underpasses and new local access roads. The draft document estimates the maximum potential impact that I-69 Section 6 construction could have on homes, businesses and natural resources, and identifies mitigation measures.

...snip...

Public review and comment

The complete Draft EIS, more than 1,500 pages, is available for public review online at www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2515.htm (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2515.htm). The public may submit written comments on the document and its recommendations through May 8 via the comment form at www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2463.htm (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2463.htm) or by mail to the I-69 Section 6 project office, 7847 Waverly Road, Martinsville, IN 46151.

In addition, INDOT will host two public meetings from 5:30 to 8:30 p.m. at Perry Meridian High School, 401 W. Meridian School Rd. in Indianapolis, on Thursday, April 6 and Martinsville High School, 1360 E. Gray St. in Martinsville, on Monday, April 10. Each meeting will begin with an open house followed by a formal presentation and public-comment period in the school auditorium beginning at 6:30 p.m.

...

See full message at https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/18de277 (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/18de277)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on March 18, 2017, 03:02:51 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 17, 2017, 05:37:52 PM
finally was able to drive the entire new section of 69 down to evansville and back, here are my obseravations:

the highway is extremely low traffic, even though it's connected to 37 now.  i see why it's called the indiana autobahn, i saw only one cop the whole way, you could easily go 90+mph. 

i like the fact the road is mostly concrete, the asphalt sections seem completely random.  must have been a different contract in those areas.

there are absolutely no mileage signs which i found annoying, no indication on how far away evansville was or any other city along the route.

the gibson county signage is weird, they posted the name of all the overpassing streets on the top of the embankment, i've never seen this before i don't like it. 

there were at least 2 bgs missing. 

almost no bbs, but i think this is because there is still nothing along this road. 

there aren't enough exits on this route, i know a few were scrapped to save money, but there's easily over 10 miles in between exists most of the time, don't be low on gas on this road!

it has what has to be the highest overpass in the state at mm 109, not sure what road that is.

the bloomington portion is slowly moving along, vernal pike is done, sr 45 is still under construction, sr 48 nothing but the new piers are done.  the highway is 4 lanes wide now, with a 2 lane portion near martinsville.

Isn't 69 supposed to be 6 lanes from Indy to Bloomington? or was it just til sample road?

Absolutely nothing has happened just outside of Bloomington to the 2 lane portion (Morgan Monroe county line area). 

I know this is all very late, but I still wanted to post my thoughts anyway.

They've not done a very good job of maintaining/repairing/replacing BGSs that get blown down.  And from what I gather, they're waiting on mileage signs at least until Sec. 5 is done, maybe 6.  (Hopefully they won't -- those are needed!)

Used to be that they put the overpassing road's sign on the bridge itself, but I noticed that too about I-69 ... very weird. Maybe it's cheaper. Given that this stretch of road bears the mark of Daniels, I would damn near guarantee that's why.

Of course, if you want to see signage that's really lacking, come to KYTC District 2 (my part of western KY) ... although it's improving, there's a long way to go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 18, 2017, 05:44:49 PM
As mentioned in a previous post, the Tier 2 DEIS for Section 6 was recently released by INDOT. Section 6, which runs from near SR 39 in Martinsville, IN to I-465 in Indianapolis, is the final phase of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project, and will complete I-69 in Indiana between Evansville and Indianapolis. The Tier 2 document advances INDOT's preferred alternative C4, which primarily uses SR 37, and outlines the specific locations and configurations of all interchanges, overpasses, underpasses, and local access roads. The next and final step in the process before construction begins will be the release of a combined FHWA FEIS and ROD (Record of Decision), which is expected in the first quarter of 2018. Construction of Section 6 is tentatively planned to commence in 2020 and complete by 2026. Cost is projected to be roughly $1.5 billion.

For those not eager to wade through the DEIS, here are some highlights of the more pertinent aspects of Section 6.

Roadway

- The Mainline option selected (M2) will primarily utilize the roadway and median of SR 37. As the existing SR 37 median is between 48' and 60' along certain stretches, slightly below IDM criteria, a cable barrier or double guardrails will be considered at some locations. A typical 4-lane I-69 cross section applying M2 specs will be as follows:

48-60' – Median
4' – Inside Shoulder
12' – Lane
12' – Lane
12' – Outside Shoulder
30' – Clear Zone

In the areas where I-69 will be 6 and 8 lanes, the inside shoulder will be widened to 12 feet, matching the outside shoulder and conforming to IDM standards.

- The number of lanes of I-69 will be 4 (two each direction) throughout Martinsville and up to SR 144. It will be 6 lanes between SR 144 and Southport Road. And from Southport Road to I-465, 8 lanes. The following details the subsections of Section 6, the specified number of lanes, as well as daily traffic projections for the year 2045:

4 Lanes – Indian Creek to SR 39;   50,000 — 53,000 (year 2045 est. projections)
4 Lanes – SR 39 to SR 252 / SR 44;   44,000 — 47,000
4 Lanes – SR 252/SR 44 to Henderson Ford Rd;   46,000 — 47,000
4 Lanes – Henderson Ford Rd to SR 144;   47,000 — 48,000
6 Lanes – SR 144 to Smith Valley Rd;   51,000 — 54,000
6 Lanes – Smith Valley Rd to County Line Rd;  65,000 — 68,000
6 Lanes – County Line Rd to Southport Rd;   77,000 — 81,000
8 Lanes – Southport Rd to I-465;   91,000 — 96,000

Impacts (Relocations – Residential/Business; Right of Way; Etc.)

Because the final configuration of the I-69/Southport Rd. interchange is still to be determined, there are two slightly-differing C4 alternatives that remain under consideration (C4A and C4B), and each shows differing impacts on residential relocations mainly due to whether the Aspen Lake apartment complex on Southport Road will be preserved or condemned depending on the specific interchange configuration ultimately selected.

C4A Alternative – Relocations
142   Single Family Homes
6    Duplex Units
39  Mobile Homes
336   Apartment Units
78  Businesses
1   Place of Worship/School
1   Fire Station

1,129 acres   New Right of Way

C4B Alternative – Relocations     
143   Single Family Homes
6    Duplex Units
39  Mobile Homes
28  Apartment Units
94  Businesses
1   Place of Worship/School
1   Fire Station

1,126 acres – New Right of Way

In a following post, I'll address the Section 6 interchanges and overpasses, their locations and configurations, and well the proposed new local access roads.

Edits: Grammar; minor wording changes and additions for clarity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on March 18, 2017, 06:44:09 PM
I know money is probably an issue, but I would at least hope that bridges are made wide enough along Section 6 in case it is needed to be expanded to six lanes at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 20, 2017, 07:44:30 AM
i wonder what will happen to the stub from the future split to 465, will indy take it over, or will it be SR 937?  the portion from where harding street splits to epler will need a name anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 21, 2017, 09:28:28 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if INDOT just gives it back over to Marion County to care for and does not assign it a number.  They almost have to keep that exit open due to the numerous truck stops at that locale, as well as industrial traffic north on Harding Street.  Heck, they could just call it Harding Street for the short distance that it goes there south of I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 21, 2017, 10:05:26 AM
Harding Street actually continues several miles due south of that exit, it currently turns off of SR 37 between Banta and Thompson Roads. They could reconfigure that intersection to make Harding Street continuous and any ramps coming off I-69 from the south could be just that, ramps. Entrance and exit ramps don't need names after all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 21, 2017, 10:07:00 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 21, 2017, 10:05:26 AM
Harding Street actually continues several miles due south of that exit, it currently turns off of SR 37 between Banta and Thompson Roads. They could reconfigure that intersection to make Harding Street continuous and any ramps coming off I-69 from the south could be just that, ramps. Entrance and exit ramps don't need names after all.

The piece between epler and harding will not have a name, are you saying those will just be considered ramps?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 21, 2017, 11:13:47 AM
I'm saying they SHOULD be considered ramps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on March 21, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 21, 2017, 10:07:00 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 21, 2017, 10:05:26 AM
Harding Street actually continues several miles due south of that exit, it currently turns off of SR 37 between Banta and Thompson Roads. They could reconfigure that intersection to make Harding Street continuous and any ramps coming off I-69 from the south could be just that, ramps. Entrance and exit ramps don't need names after all.

The piece between epler and harding will not have a name, are you saying those will just be considered ramps?

From what I've seen so far, I'm thinking that INDOT will be doing the I-69/465 south split in the same schematic manner as they redid the I-74 west split, completely separating the I-69 feed from Harding St.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 22, 2017, 09:45:35 AM
Hopefully, I can get to see a completed I-69 through the Hoosier State, although I'm not going to hold my breath for that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 22, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 22, 2017, 09:45:35 AM
Hopefully, I can get to see a completed I-69 through the Hoosier State, although I'm not going to hold my breath for that.

it will happen eventually, especially if they pass this new funding bill.  the only thing that i think will take a while is the bridge over the ohio
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 24, 2017, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 22, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 22, 2017, 09:45:35 AM
Hopefully, I can get to see a completed I-69 through the Hoosier State, although I'm not going to hold my breath for that.

it will happen eventually, especially if they pass this new funding bill.  the only thing that i think will take a while is the bridge over the ohio
Agreed with that! It would be nice to at least be able to drive from Indianapolis to Memphis nonstop.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 24, 2017, 11:45:14 AM
Truth is, it's not a big deal to drive on interstates from Indianapolis to Memphis right now.  Going west on I-70 to I-57, then I-55.  Going south I-65 then I-40 from Nashville.  Both of these are not too out of the way.  Being from the Evansville, IN area, I've heard the talk about I-69 for decades.  It was first about having an interstate from Indianapolis to SW Indiana, which for the most part had substandard roads compared to the rest of the state.   The consortium was pulled together when it was thought that additional clout was needed.  Some of these other areas such as SE Arkansas thought an interstate in their area could help overall business.  And Texas, well, they saw the interstate as a way to formalize and improve a trade route from the Brownsville/McAllen area through the eastern part of the state.

For me, I am happy to get an interstate connection to our state capitol.  It's just about 20 years later than it should have been.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 24, 2017, 11:51:21 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on March 24, 2017, 11:45:14 AM
Truth is, it's not a big deal to drive on interstates from Indianapolis to Memphis right now.  Going west on I-70 to I-57, then I-55.  Going south I-65 then I-40 from Nashville.  Both of these are not too out of the way.  Being from the Evansville, IN area, I've heard the talk about I-69 for decades.  It was first about having an interstate from Indianapolis to SW Indiana, which for the most part had substandard roads compared to the rest of the state.   The consortium was pulled together when it was thought that additional clout was needed.  Some of these other areas such as SE Arkansas thought an interstate in their area could help overall business.  And Texas, well, they saw the interstate as a way to formalize and improve a trade route from the Brownsville/McAllen area through the eastern part of the state.

For me, I am happy to get an interstate connection to our state capitol.  It's just about 20 years later than it should have been.

This highway (imo) should have been built in the original plans to Memphis and that's it.  From a state prospective, I don't understand how at least a state road divided highway wasn't built.  It makes no sense to give a city like Evansville the shaft for so long. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Two traffic lights in Henderson and five or six in Union City. That's not a major inconvenience for anyone driving from Indy to Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Georgia on March 24, 2017, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Two traffic lights in Henderson and five or six in Union City. That's not a major inconvenience for anyone driving from Indy to Memphis.

god do i wish it was only 2 traffic lights in Henderson.
cant wait to make that drive in 3 weeks, especially that stretch  :ded:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: Georgia on March 24, 2017, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Two traffic lights in Henderson and five or six in Union City. That's not a major inconvenience for anyone driving from Indy to Memphis.

god do i wish it was only 2 traffic lights in Henderson.
cant wait to make that drive in 3 weeks, especially that stretch  :ded:

I count one at Watson Lane, one at the entrance to a store and one at Marywood Drive. That's three. So I miscounted by one. Still, three lights isn't bad.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on March 25, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Two traffic lights in Henderson and five or six in Union City. That's not a major inconvenience for anyone driving from Indy to Memphis.

I assume you are taking I-155 over to Arkansas and down I-55. I have tried that once and can't bring myself to keep going that way. Seems like it takes quite a bit longer. Of course I then just gripe about Covington and Millington. The other problem currently is the ridiculous speed trap known as Union City.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 28, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on March 25, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Two traffic lights in Henderson and five or six in Union City. That's not a major inconvenience for anyone driving from Indy to Memphis.

I assume you are taking I-155 over to Arkansas and down I-55. I have tried that once and can't bring myself to keep going that way. Seems like it takes quite a bit longer. Of course I then just gripe about Covington and Millington. The other problem currently is the ridiculous speed trap known as Union City.

Hopefully in our lifetimes we'll see the speed trap through Union City bypassed by I-69.  TDOT s building the bypass, albeit at glacial speed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 29, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 28, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on March 25, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 24, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Two traffic lights in Henderson and five or six in Union City. That's not a major inconvenience for anyone driving from Indy to Memphis.

I assume you are taking I-155 over to Arkansas and down I-55. I have tried that once and can't bring myself to keep going that way. Seems like it takes quite a bit longer. Of course I then just gripe about Covington and Millington. The other problem currently is the ridiculous speed trap known as Union City.

Hopefully in our lifetimes we'll see the speed trap through Union City bypassed by I-69.  TDOT s building the bypass, albeit at glacial speed.
That too would be nice to see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 01, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
Here's a brief outline covering the interchanges, overpasses, road closures, and local access roads that comprise Section 6 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project. Section 6, as many of you are aware, is the final section of I-69 planned to be built in Indiana. It runs from Martinsville, Indiana, to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, a distance of approximately 26 miles.

Please bear in mind the details of this outline come from the Tier 2 Draft Environmental Impact Statement, which was approved and released last month. As the Record of Decision is still forthcoming, minor aspects of Section 6 may be tweaked in the meantime. Also, it should be noted it's possible I may missed or misinterpreted certain aspects of the Tier 2 report. So please take the following not as concrete fact, but as a general outline that presents, for the most part, what will comprise Section 6 in its final configuration.

Interchanges There will be 9 full interchanges and 1 partial interchange in Section 6.

- SR 39 (Martinsville, Indiana) – existing trumpet interchange will be utilized
- Ohio Street (Martinsville) – diamond interchange; Ohio Street over I-69
- SR 252 and SR 44 – modified split-diamond interchange; SR 252 under I-69, SR 44 over I-69
- Henderson Ford Road – diamond interchange; Henderson Ford Road over
- SR 144 – tight diamond interchange; SR 144 over
- Smith Valley Road – tight diamond; Smith Valley over I-69
- County Line Road – partial folded diamond interchange with roundabouts; County Line Road under
- Southport Road – final interchange configuration still undetermined; 2 options under consideration: (1) diamond interchange,
                              with Southport Road under I-69, and (2) diamond interchange, with Southport Road shifted north and over I-69.
- Epler Avenue – partial interchange; ramp connections only from I-69 northbound and to I-69 southbound
- Interstate 465 – directional interchange; interchange to be located just west of the quarry pits south of I-465

Overpasses/Underpasses In addition to the 10 interchanges, another 13 overpasses and underpasses are to be constructed.

- Burton Lane (Martinsville, Indiana) – over I-69
- Grand Valley Boulevard (Martinsville) – over
- Teeters Road – over
- Old SR 37/Myra Lane – under I-69
- Old SR 37/Egbert Road – over
- Perry Road/Old SR 37 – over
- Big Bend Road – over
- Waverly Road – over
- Stones Crossing Road – over
- Wicker Road – under
- Banta Road – under
- Edgewood Avenue – under
- Epler Avenue – under

Roads Closed     Eighteen roads that currently connect to SR 37 will be closed.

- Old SR 37 (just south of SR 39)
- Industrial Drive (Martinsville)
- Glenn Street (Martinsville)
- East Morgan Street/Twin Branch Road
- Country Club Road (Morgan County)
- Ennis Road [CR 500E] (Morgan)
- New Harmony Road (Morgan)
- Cragen Road (Morgan)
- Whiteland Road (Morgan)
- Banta Road (Morgan)
- Travis Road (Johnson County)
- Olive Branch Road (Johnson)
- Bluff Acres Drive (Johnson)
- Bluffdale Road (Johnson)
- Fairview Road (Johnson)
- Glenns Valley Lane (Marion County)
- Belmont Avenue (Marion)
- Thompson Road (Marion)

Local Access/Service Roads

- Rogers Road (Martinsville, Indiana) – will remain in its existing location; will connect into a 5-legged roundabout interchange to the west of I-69, comprising SR 39, the I-69 southbound ramps, and Rogers Road
- Grand Valley Blvd. (Martinsville) – to be extended to Cramertown Loop
- Kristi Road (Martinsville) – only right turn in/right turn out from Reuben Drive/SR 44
- Cikana State Fish Hatchery – new north local service road, connecting SR 44 to Twin Branch Road; to be located around the east side of the Cikana Hatchery, south ponds
- Morgan Street – to be extended north from Prince of Peace Lutheran Church to Old SR 37/Myra Lane; roughly 1.75 miles of new road
- Centennial Road – new local service road along the east side of I-69 from Centennial Road to New Harmony Road, with a new bridge of Stotts Creek; New Harmony Road to be realigned at Stotts Creek
- Perry Road – road carrying Perry Road across I-69 to be linked into an extension of Old SR 37 west of I-69; also a new access road along the west side of I-69 will extend south from Perry Road to the cemetery at the former Mt. Zion Church
- Whiteland Road – Whiteland Road will be realigned to connect into Waverly Road east of I-69
- SR 144 to County Line Road – a  long, continuous local service road is to be constructed along the west side of I-69 between SR 144 and County Line Road (Morgan/Johnson counties); road will pass under the Stones Crossing Road overpass and connect into Old SR 37, then run north to Smith Valley Road; new sections of roadway will be required to connect Smith Valley Road to Fairview Road, and continuing north to County Line Road
- County Line Road/Wicker Road – west of I-69, County Line Road will be realigned north to intersect with Wicker Road

Interstate 465

I-465 will be widened from Mann Road to US 31. There will be five traffic lanes in each direction, as well as an additional auxiliary lane in each direction to ease merging and diverging at the Mann Road, I-69, Harding Street and US 31 interchanges.

Construction of Section 6 is anticipated to begin in 2020 and wrap up in 2026. Considering the scope of the project, the number of interchanges and overpasses, as well as the new local access roads, the six-year construction schedule seems appropriate.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 02, 2017, 01:28:06 AM
they should put an exit at whiteland road
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 02, 2017, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: ITB on April 01, 2017, 10:47:57 PM


Construction of Section 6 is anticipated to begin in 2020 and wrap up in 2026. Considering the scope of the project, the number of interchanges and overpasses, as well as the new local access roads, the six-year construction schedule seems appropriate.

Maybe the Ohio River bridge and Section 6 will be completed at the same time  :biggrin: (Contingent upon funding, of course).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2017, 07:36:10 PM
Will they make Mann Road a full interchange, or keep the partial interchange they have now?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 04, 2017, 11:17:24 PM
Having now driven Ind 37/I-69, from Indy to Evansville today, it...is....barren (well, I-69 is. Ind 37 isn't). Wouldn't mind InDoT mixing in some more control city signage, speed limit signs, and even some reassurance markers.
And is there any reason why InDoT would not tack on Bloomington (or even Indianapolis) for the NB control city all the way from I-64 to Bloomington (where I-69 currently *ends*)?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 05, 2017, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 04, 2017, 11:17:24 PM
Having now driven Ind 37/I-69, from Indy to Evansville today, it...is....barren (well, I-69 is. Ind 37 isn't). Wouldn't mind InDoT mixing in some more control city signage, speed limit signs, and even some reassurance markers.
And is there any reason why InDoT would not tack on Bloomington (or even Indianapolis) for the NB control city all the way from I-64 to Bloomington (where I-69 currently *ends*)?

i think the nb control city is indianapolis, and if it is, it wont be put on the signs until they finish the whole thing.  it should be bloomington from eville to bloomington, then indy after that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 05, 2017, 07:34:55 AM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on April 02, 2017, 07:36:10 PM
Will they make Mann Road a full interchange, or keep the partial interchange they have now?

i don't think they will change the mann interchange
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on April 05, 2017, 07:05:12 PM
They should just put Indianapolis on the signs now.  It's still the best route to go there, even if you have to take IN 37 to finish the journey.  Though Bloomington should be an intermediate control city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on April 05, 2017, 10:17:21 PM
^ Indiana does not seem to use intermediate control cities like Illinois and Missouri do.  Whereas Illinois and Missouri would have Lafayette signed at intermediate interchanges on I-65 and does use Terre Haute on I-70, Indiana seems to use Chicago/Indianapolis and Indianapolis/St. Louis at almost every interchange.  Indiana does however seem to have intermediate control cities on the post interchange distance signs though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 11, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
I was curiously checking the maps on my iPhone and saw that according to Apple Maps Section 5 is "complete." They have all the exits marked out with their individual ramps. Officially (according to the map) Interstate 69 has been extended north to SR 45. To my knowledge there is still plenty of work to be done on this highway before it is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on April 11, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 11, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
I was curiously checking the maps on my iPhone and saw that according to Apple Maps Section 5 is "complete." They have all the exits marked out with their individual ramps. Officially (according to the map) Interstate 69 has been extended north to SR 45. To my knowledge there is still plenty of work to be done on this highway before it is completed.

Considering my Garmin just recently realized Section 4 is complete, I will take a little early.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 11, 2017, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 11, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
I was curiously checking the maps on my iPhone and saw that according to Apple Maps Section 5 is "complete." They have all the exits marked out with their individual ramps. Officially (according to the map) Interstate 69 has been extended north to SR 45. To my knowledge there is still plenty of work to be done on this highway before it is completed.

For the record, my iPhone has an I-69 Shield north of State Road 45 and I-69 ending at State Road 48 (West 3rd Street).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 14, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
Interesting, since InDoT has End I-69 signs (NB) at Ind 37, south of Bloomington, as of last week.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 26, 2017, 10:37:13 AM
What is the current status of the construction of Section 5?  What is finished and what need to be done?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Strider on April 26, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 14, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
Interesting, since InDoT has End I-69 signs (NB) at Ind 37, south of Bloomington, as of last week.

Photos?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dcharlie on April 26, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
Google Maps finally has that section in GSV (Southbound anyway).  You can see the sign here:  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1068354,-86.5591872,3a,75y,27.91h,85.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0FD45iOy5vVy48XDcmKZgg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on April 26, 2017, 08:20:33 PM
The state has said that the project should still be finished by next May, but here's another story about the contractor maybe running out of money:

http://fox59.com/2017/04/26/more-concerns-over-i-69-construction-between-bloomington-and-martinsville/ (http://fox59.com/2017/04/26/more-concerns-over-i-69-construction-between-bloomington-and-martinsville/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on April 26, 2017, 09:25:34 PM
Whoever this contractor is should be fired and banned from doing construction for INDOT forever. This has been delayed how long now?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on April 27, 2017, 12:05:38 AM
If Daniels hadn't tried to do this project on the cheap, with a public-private partnership, and instead had taken responsibility as governor to make sure his government was able to complete this infrastructure project on time, then we would already be driving on a finished highway. Doing things on the cheap, the Indiana Way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on April 27, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
IMO this project should be brought up every single time people make public-private partnerships sound like some kind of Holy Grail that makes money appear and projects magically complete on time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on April 27, 2017, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on April 27, 2017, 12:05:38 AM
If Daniels hadn't tried to do this project on the cheap, with a public-private partnership, and instead had taken responsibility as governor to make sure his government was able to complete this infrastructure project on time, then we would already be driving on a finished highway. Doing things on the cheap, the Indiana Way.

I think Pence should primarily get the credit/blame for whether this was a good idea in the end.  I know INDOT was getting the ball rolling in investigating the P3 option in January 2013 (http://www.enr.com/articles/5307-indiana-dot-seeks-p3-for-i-69-project?v=preview), but ultimately Pence gave the okay to the agreement they came up with and he was in charge when they did the negotiations.

Quote from: thefro on March 15, 2014, 06:28:55 PM
Indiana State Budget Committee & Governor Pence have approved I-69 Section 5.  Just a matter of negotiating the final contract terms now.

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=73850

QuoteThe State Budget Committee has reviewed and Gov. Mike Pence has approved the selection of I-69 Development Partners to design, build, finance, operate and maintain Section 5 of Interstate 69.
However, a few more things still need to happen before the upgrade of the 21-mile stretch of Ind. 37 between Bloomington and Martinsville to interstate standards can begin.

The Indiana Department of Transportation along with the Indiana Finance Authority now will negotiate the final terms of the contract with I-69 Development Partners, said Will Wingfield, INDOT spokesman. He said those negotiations should wrap up some time in April.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DeaconG on April 27, 2017, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 27, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
IMO this project should be brought up every single time people make public-private partnerships sound like some kind of Holy Grail that makes money appear and projects magically complete on time.

PREACH!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on April 27, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
I get it, they wanted to save money and get the job done and then trumpet that they did so.  IT JUST DIDN'T WORK.  I have talked to a contractor associated with the project, and he says that it's crazy what the partners are doing; they do one project, then pick up and move miles away to do another, ignoring the one that's needed adjacent to the first one.  They are moving equipment and wasting so much time and money it's stupid.  Also, don't get me started on the bridge project about five miles south of Martinsville that bottlenecks traffic except in the middle of the night (I try to avoid going through there except late).  That part of the project should have been completed in one season, let alone three or four.

Since this didn't work, the State of Indiana needs to learn from it.  Don't ever structure anything like this again.  If you want to save taxpayers money, great.  Just do it in a way that the state has oversight and can step in with authority, so the work can get done.  It's not here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on April 27, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 27, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
IMO this project should be brought up every single time people make public-private partnerships sound like some kind of Holy Grail that makes money appear and projects magically complete on time.

This. I'm all for saving money, but work needs to get done on time, within budget and good quality.

Cheaper isn't always better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on April 27, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
Quote from: I-39 on April 27, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 27, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
IMO this project should be brought up every single time people make public-private partnerships sound like some kind of Holy Grail that makes money appear and projects magically complete on time.

This. I'm all for saving money, but work needs to get done on time, within budget and good quality.

Cheaper isn't always better.

P-3 arrangements to finance highway construction are still a relatively new concept here in the United States, and there's still a lot of learning that needs to be had before we can start using such arrangements routinely for roadbuilding and maintenance.  While I credit Indiana with thinking outside of the box in its approach to completing Section 5 of I-69, it proves the point that the Government needs to carefully vet prospective offerors when procuring infrastructure improvements through P-3 arrangements.  Part of the source selection criteria should have included an evaluation of the financial health and past performance of each offeror bidding on the project, in addition to the technical aspects presented in the proposal.  It appears the latter two factors were not considered, and without knowing any further details about the source selection for Section 5, it appears the contract award went to the offeror with the lowest price, technically acceptable proposal (LPTA).  As we see, a source selection based on LPTA may not necessarily yield the desired results.  This may have been a case where INDOT and IFA should have went with an offer who may have had a higher price, but may have solid financial footing that would have avoided a lot of the issues we're seeing on Section 5 today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 13, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
It's a pretty spring day outside.  A perfect time for someone, who shall remain nameless, but lives near Bloomington, to take a nice drive and take some photos...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on May 13, 2017, 08:45:25 PM
I drove northbound from SR 64 to US 231 today, nothing really of note except that the highway looks really good. The scenery is some of the best in the state and everything is new and polished. Plus there are hardly any billboards up yet!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on May 13, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: csw on May 13, 2017, 08:45:25 PM
I drove northbound from SR 64 to US 231 today, nothing really of note except that the highway looks really good. The scenery is some of the best in the state and everything is new and polished. Plus there are hardly any billboards up yet!

It would be great if no billboards were allowed on that stretch...or any stretch for that matter. They are pretty strictly limited in Ohio, and the state is much prettier for it. Indiana looks like a flea market in comparison.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 14, 2017, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 13, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
It's a pretty spring day outside.  A perfect time for someone, who shall remain nameless, but lives near Bloomington, to take a nice drive and take some photos...

I guess that would be me. I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 14, 2017, 06:24:32 PM
Now I feel guilty... :-(

Seriously, you do a very good job with your photo updates and I think everyone on the thread appreciates them. 

However don't let a bunch of strangers on a Internet forum with too much time on their hands dictate what you do in real life.

Besides I was really bored at my daughters dance competition when I posted that.  Six hours for two five minutes performances.  However, her two teams did well, so it was worth it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 15, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
surveying has begun on the final section of 69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 15, 2017, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 15, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
surveying has begun on the final section of 69

Step one!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on May 16, 2017, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 15, 2017, 07:14:01 PM
Step one!

Cut a hole in a box :D :-D

(Sorry, couldn't help it)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 16, 2017, 01:57:33 AM
During the weekend I went out for a look-see and took a few snaps. It's been a while since I've done an update, so let's get to it. Photos were taken Saturday, May 13, unless otherwise noted.


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Construction of Fullerton Pike and the I-69/Fullerton Pike interchange; looking east. The interchange will feature two roundabouts, one on each side of the overpass. In the mid-background is the western roundabout.

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The overpass that will carry Fullerton Pike over I-69; looking northeast. This is the first bridge to feature the decorative railing that will eventually grace all of the I-69 overpasses in Bloomington. Photo was taken April 13.

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Looking north from S. Monroe Medical Drive toward the future Fullerton Pike western roundabout. The overpass is to the right.

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Construction to realign a small section of Rockport Road to form a new intersection with Fullerton Pike east of SR 37/I-69; looking south. Photo was taken April 18.

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This is Fullerton Pike east of Rockport Road. Plans are to punch Fullerton Pike through to Gordon Pike/Rhorer Road–a distance of about a 1/2 mile–to create an east-west arterial on Bloomington's southside. Seems logical considering the future Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange. Photo was taken April 18.

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Another view of the Fullerton Pike work zone; looking east. Of note is the large MSE retaining wall.

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And here's the retaining wall under construction. Photo was taken January 2017.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on May 16, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 26, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 14, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
Interesting, since InDoT has End I-69 signs (NB) at Ind 37, south of Bloomington, as of last week.

Photos?

This was up in December. Not sure if Sandor has spotted something in addition to this or not.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/465/31241011304_39944586a8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PAEmeW)2016 Bloomington Trip Day 1 - 311 (https://flic.kr/p/PAEmeW) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 16, 2017, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 16, 2017, 01:57:33 AM
During the weekend I went out for a look-see and took a few snaps. It's been a while since I've done an update, so let's get to it. Photos were taken Saturday, May 13, unless otherwise noted.


Construction of Fullerton Pike and the I-69/Fullerton Pike interchange; looking east. The interchange will feature two roundabouts, one on each side of the overpass. In the mid-background is the western roundabout.


The overpass that will carry Fullerton Pike over I-69; looking northeast. This is the first bridge to feature the decorative railing that will eventually grace all of the I-69 overpasses in Bloomington. Photo was taken April 13.


Looking north from S. Monroe Medical Drive toward the future Fullerton Pike western roundabout. The overpass is to the right.


Construction to realign a small section of Rockport Road to form a new intersection with Fullerton Pike east of SR 37/I-69; looking south. Photo was taken April 18.


This is Fullerton Pike east of Rockport Road. Plans are to punch Fullerton Pike through to Gordon Pike/Rhorer Road—a distance of about a 1/2 mile—to create an east-west arterial on Bloomington's southside. Seems logical considering the future Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange. Photo was taken April 18.


Another view of the Fullerton Pike work zone; looking east. Of note is the large MSE retaining wall.


And here's the retaining wall under construction. Photo was taken January 2017.

Thank you very much.  And see, it was a nice sunny day!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 16, 2017, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 16, 2017, 12:26:05 PM
Thank you very much.  And see, it was a nice sunny day!

You're very welcome. And thank you for the earlier compliment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 16, 2017, 11:20:59 PM
Here's another batch of pictures. Photos were taken May 14, 2017, unless otherwise noted.

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Again, the Fullerton Pike/I-69 interchange; looking southeast. The ramp pictured (actually two) are for traffic exiting and entering southbound I-69 at Fullerton Pike. The ramps veer off north from the traffic roundabout (pictured in the previously uploaded photo batch). The ramp to enter southbound I-69 swings around in a semi-circle to form a merge lane (see next photo). Photo was taken May 13.

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Here's the curvature of the southbound ramp. In the foreground is the stub for the ramp for exiting southbound I-69 traffic to Fullerton Pike. It's readily apparent good progress has been made, but a lot of work remains. Photo was taken May 13.

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Looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass toward SR 37 and the three bridges that will carry I-69 over Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek, and Beanblossom Overflow. All three bridges, both northbound and southbound, are undergoing expansion and complete overhauls. Construction of the inner portions of the bridges was completed this spring and opened to traffic, while work has now shifted to the outer sections.

The day before this photo was taken a tragic accident occurred in this very vicinity. At the Bottom Road/SR 37 access point, located just in front of the S. Walnut Street overpass (pictured), an individual on a bicycle was apparently attempting to cross the southbound lanes of SR 37. A vehicle carrying an 11 year-old girl from Martinsville, IN, swerved to avoid the bicyclist, crossed the median, and collided with a pickup truck in the northbound lanes. The driver of the swerving vehicle was severely injured, and the young girl died. The man driving driving the pickup declined medical attention. No further word on the identity or age of the bicyclist.

Update: It is now being reported the driver of the vehicle that swerved to miss the bicyclist, and then crossed the median, was treated at Indiana University Health Bloomington Hospital and later released. She was 21 years old and the older sister of the 11 year-old girl.

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Looking south toward SR 37/future I-69 from the Kinser Pike overpass. The narrow median in this vicinity will feature a cable barrier.

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Reconstruction work of the outer section of the southbound SR 37/I-69 bridge over Griffy Creek; looking northeast.

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A closer view of the Griffy Creek bridge work zone; looking north. The N. Walnut Street overpass is in the background. In the deep background, earthwork is underway to construct one of the local access roads that will connect into the Sample Road/I-69 interchange.

At this time I'm limited to taking photos with a rather basic point and shoot camera. It's a nice little handheld, but the ability to zoom is constrained. The other more advanced camera I was using was fiddled with by a family member and ... broken. Fancy that.

More pics to come.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 17, 2017, 10:28:20 AM
It's always nice to see progress, especially when the final section is finally being surveyed. I'll be sure to check out the newly-completed I-69 extension once it opens.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 17, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
side note, why the hell was someone on a bike trying to cross 37? 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 17, 2017, 01:53:03 PM
Here's a selection of pictures from the Sample Road work zone. Photos were taken May 14.


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The Sample Road/SR 37 intersection; looking east. Work has commenced to build the columns of the median bent for the Sample Road overpass. While it's not evident in the photo, the bent–i.e. the middle support structure of an overpass–is located just to the west of SR 37. This is because between Sample Road and Chambers Pike, which is about 1 3/4 miles north, the current northbound lanes of SR 37 will become a local access road. The current I-37 southbound lanes will become the northbound lanes of I-69, and about 1 1/2 miles of new interstate mainline will be constructed for the southbound lanes of I-69. In the foreground, the whitish material is lime that is mixed with dirt to create a dense, tough material ideal for a roadway's foundation.

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Another view of the columns for the median bent from the other side of SR 37; looking west.

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Looking north from Sample Road toward SR 37. Crew have started blasting activities for create a path for the new mainline roadway. It is rock formations like this they are blasting away.

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Looking south from near the Wylie Road/SR 37 access point. In the background is the overpass for the N. Walnut Street partial interchange. Earthwork in this vicinity is underway to build the local access road that will connect into the Sample Road interchange, just to the north.

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Looking north toward SR 37 from near Wylie Road. The Sample Road work zone is just past the crest of the hill. Note the path of the future access road that will run parallel to I-69. Yup. There's a lot of work to do.

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The view south from near the Sample Road/SR 37 intersection. In the background is Wayport Road, which will eventually become the local access road and link into the Sample Road interchange.

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Looking south from Sample Road, this is where the local access will link into the Sample Road interchange east of I-69. The path of the road passes directly through the parking lot of a landscaping business. I imagine they got a pretty good deal.

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A more expansive view of the work zone at Sample Road; looking east.

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Another perspective of the Sample Road work zone; looking north. Lots of equipment on site, lots of work to do.

That's all for now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on May 18, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Google Maps shows the Liberty Church interchange underway. I'm not seeing how Godsey Road will access I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 18, 2017, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on May 18, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Google Maps shows the Liberty Church interchange underway. I'm not seeing how Godsey Road will access I-69.

Godsey Road will intersect with the local access road west of the mainline at the Liberty Church Road interchange. That access road will link directly into the interchange. The map uploaded on the I-69 Section 5 website gives a good idea how the interchange and access roads link together.

http://www.i69section5.org/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on May 19, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 17, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
side note, why the hell was someone on a bike trying to cross 37? 
Have you read Fahrenheit 451?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 09, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
So this project has had some issues since the forums went down.  Completion date delayed again to August 31st, 2018.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/05/indiana-finance-authority-i-69-blooomington-martinsville-p-3-public-private-partnership/370165001/\

Quote from: Indy StarThe state of Indiana intends to take control of the troubled I-69 project from Bloomington to Martinsville as the public-private partnership used to finance and build the highway crumbles.

Bond analysts told IndyStar that terminating the deal could drive up project costs, but it is uncertain how much.

State officials confirmed Monday that the project's new completion date would be pushed back from May 2018 to August 31, 2018.

That's the fourth time the opening has been pushed back as the state's design-build contractor struggles to pay subcontractors and meet deadlines. The original completion date was October 2016.

Now S&P are saying the project may run out of money in July.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/08/interstate-69-indiana-finance-authority-isolux-bloomington-p-3/381533001/

Quote from: Indy StarStandard & Poor has again downgraded the bonds financing the construction of I-69 between Bloomington and Martinsville on Thursday, saying the project could run out of money before the end of July.

In a race with the clock, state officials are negotiating with bondholders to take over financing and management of the project and bring it to completion. But so far, they have failed to reach an agreement, the ratings agency said.

"We anticipate that negotiations with bondholders will continue until funding runs out and construction stops," the S&P report said.

State officials have declined interview requests over several weeks and either failed to answer numerous written questions from IndyStar or provided only partial answers.

S&P, the global credit ratings company, said that either the state or a Canadian Pension Fund also involved in the project would have to infuse it with more cash to head off default.

Yet, when asked if a state takeover would increase the construction cost above the original $325 million bid, state officials appeared to disagree.

Indiana Finance Authority spokeswoman Stephanie McFarland wrote in a statement, "In having the state control the project, the expense to the state is no more than it would have paid under the original P3 structure."

The project has been a source of frustration and delays before construction even started. The S&P report said it's "exceptionally behind schedule," with an original completion date of October 2016 and the state's latest estimate of August 2018.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 09, 2017, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: thefro on June 09, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
So this project has had some issues since the forums went down.  Completion date delayed again to August 31st, 2018.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/05/indiana-finance-authority-i-69-blooomington-martinsville-p-3-public-private-partnership/370165001/\

Quote from: Indy StarThe state of Indiana intends to take control of the troubled I-69 project from Bloomington to Martinsville as the public-private partnership used to finance and build the highway crumbles.

Bond analysts told IndyStar that terminating the deal could drive up project costs, but it is uncertain how much.

State officials confirmed Monday that the project's new completion date would be pushed back from May 2018 to August 31, 2018.

That's the fourth time the opening has been pushed back as the state's design-build contractor struggles to pay subcontractors and meet deadlines. The original completion date was October 2016.

Now S&P are saying the project may run out of money in July.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/08/interstate-69-indiana-finance-authority-isolux-bloomington-p-3/381533001/

Quote from: Indy StarStandard & Poor has again downgraded the bonds financing the construction of I-69 between Bloomington and Martinsville on Thursday, saying the project could run out of money before the end of July.

In a race with the clock, state officials are negotiating with bondholders to take over financing and management of the project and bring it to completion. But so far, they have failed to reach an agreement, the ratings agency said.

"We anticipate that negotiations with bondholders will continue until funding runs out and construction stops," the S&P report said.

State officials have declined interview requests over several weeks and either failed to answer numerous written questions from IndyStar or provided only partial answers.

S&P, the global credit ratings company, said that either the state or a Canadian Pension Fund also involved in the project would have to infuse it with more cash to head off default.

Yet, when asked if a state takeover would increase the construction cost above the original $325 million bid, state officials appeared to disagree.

Indiana Finance Authority spokeswoman Stephanie McFarland wrote in a statement, "In having the state control the project, the expense to the state is no more than it would have paid under the original P3 structure."

The project has been a source of frustration and delays before construction even started. The S&P report said it's "exceptionally behind schedule," with an original completion date of October 2016 and the state's latest estimate of August 2018.

I sincerely hope they don't use another Public-Private Partnership for the Martinsville-Indianapolis segment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on June 10, 2017, 12:18:42 AM
Thanks Mitch. Long gone from the governor's mansion, but still finding ways to screw Hoosiers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on June 10, 2017, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

In the election this past April, Philadelphians approved a change to the City Charter (the city's constitution) allowing selection of best value instead of mandating selection of lowest bid.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 10, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

That is wrong. Cheaper is not always better, in fact, usually the "cheapest option" ends up being extremely poor quality and then they have to spend extra $$$ on maintenance.

Do it right the first time......... go big or go home.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on June 10, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
Coincidence, perhaps?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: LM117 on June 11, 2017, 05:34:05 AM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.

Yep. NC is one of them and I believe VA is as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: LM117 on June 11, 2017, 05:45:56 AM
Quote from: I-39 on June 10, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

That is wrong. Cheaper is not always better, in fact, usually the "cheapest option" ends up being extremely poor quality and then they have to spend extra $$$ on maintenance.

Do it right the first time......... go big or go home.

I agree. One example that comes to mind is I-795 in NC. It opened in late 2006 (initially signed as US-117), and by 2008 the road was falling apart and crumbling due to the asphalt being too thin and subsequent truck use. NCDOT had to repave nearly the entire length of I-795 with thicker asphalt shortly afterwards. That repair didn't come cheap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 11, 2017, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 11, 2017, 05:45:56 AM
Quote from: I-39 on June 10, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

That is wrong. Cheaper is not always better, in fact, usually the "cheapest option" ends up being extremely poor quality and then they have to spend extra $$$ on maintenance.

Do it right the first time......... go big or go home.

I agree. One example that comes to mind is I-795 in NC. It opened in late 2006 (initially signed as US-117), and by 2008 the road was falling apart and crumbling due to the asphalt being too thin and subsequent truck use. NCDOT had to repave nearly the entire length of I-795 with thicker asphalt shortly afterwards. That repair didn't come cheap.

INDOT had a similar problem recently, except it affected several projects around the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on June 11, 2017, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 10, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

That is wrong. Cheaper is not always better, in fact, usually the "cheapest option" ends up being extremely poor quality and then they have to spend extra $$$ on maintenance.

Do it right the first time......... go big or go home.
Your opinion is noted and the law stays the same.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 11, 2017, 08:46:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 11, 2017, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 10, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

That is wrong. Cheaper is not always better, in fact, usually the "cheapest option" ends up being extremely poor quality and then they have to spend extra $$$ on maintenance.

Do it right the first time......... go big or go home.
Your opinion is noted and the law stays the same.

I know, but that doesn't change the stupidity of going cheap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 12, 2017, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: theline on June 10, 2017, 12:18:42 AM
Thanks Mitch. Long gone from the governor's mansion, but still finding ways to screw Hoosiers.

As I said previously, this one is on our Vice President more than Mitch.

Daniels got the process going but Pence ultimately signed off on selecting this company to run things.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on June 12, 2017, 07:28:21 PM
Yeah, they all blend together.  :crazy: Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 17, 2017, 02:30:07 AM
It's official. The State of Indiana will assume control of Section 5 of the I-69 corridor project. Transfer to state control will occur by July 31 at the latest. According to the Indianapolis Star report (link below), Section 5 is 60% complete.

There's still a lot of work to do, and the revised August 2018 substantial completion deadline may be optimistic. If there's another mild winter, it's doable, but not a slam dunk by any means. The end of August 2018 is now less than 14 1/2 months away. That's only about 350—375 workdays max. Why do the IFA and INDOT continue to hold onto this potentially unrealistic schedule? Perhaps when the public-private partnership agreement is officially terminated, the IFA could issue a more flexible schedule, stating something along the lines of: "we aim to reach substantial completion in August 2018, but it will depend on the weather as well as other factors that may slow progress."

By August 2018, it's very possible construction may be nearing an end in the vicinity of Bloomington; that is, if construction of the Fullerton Road interchange can be wrapped up in the next month or so. Once the Fullerton Road interchange is open to traffic, crews will be able to close the Tapp Road/SR 37 intersection and begin to build the overpass and interchange there. If construction at Fullerton lags, completing the interchange at Tapp Road in timely fashion becomes more problematic.

As construction progresses, another potential issue is keeping 2 lanes constantly open in each direction in and around the Sample Road work zone. It may prove challenging. Moreover, before NB SR 37 can be closed to become an access road north of Sample Road, a new local access road that temporarily connects SR 37 to Sample Road must be completed and opened. That may take some time. We'll see.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/16/state-has-agreement-terminate-public-private-i-69-contract/404026001/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on June 17, 2017, 07:26:05 AM
Another PPP bites the dust.  How surprising.

In NY, NYSDOT had all but abandoned that acronym until the current Republican Administration revived it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 19, 2017, 01:27:32 PM
The Indianapolis Star had a long feature piece above the fold in Sunday's paper about the failure of this project.

Mike Pence's infrastructure mess: What went wrong with I-69? (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/18/mike-pence-donald-trump-public-private-partnerships-mitch-daniels-interstate-69-isolux-bloomington/388756001/)

And another one today on the increase in wrecks due to the construction. (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/19/car-accidents-have-increased-during-69-construction-delays/389156001/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on June 23, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
I swear. There has been more general arsedragging on Section 5.... this after the rush to complete Section 4 ahead of time and get it open.

I could tell something was up. What I was seeing never quite meshed with the timelines seen on the webpage. Example pavement patching took 3 or so months longer then the website said it did. Whole stretches were seeing no work, when work was scheduled to begin on those stretches.

With this pubic private garbage INDOT has fumbled away any momentum it had on 69 and gave the anti people more ammo.

More to the point, I lost a car to this road.... I lost a JOB to this road. All worked out in the end. But damn, let's no do this again.

More troubling was after it was done. This company was to be trusted to maintain the thing and plow the snow for 35 years? Yeah like that wasn't going to be a disaster.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on June 23, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
With this public private garbage INDOT has fumbled away any momentum it had on 69 and gave the anti people more ammo.

Well, I think the main reason it failed was because they used a foreign company that was being investigated for corruption. If they had used an American company and properly vetted it (and preferably, a local Indiana company) things may be vastly different). That being said, I'm generally not a fan of public-private partnerships anyway.

As far as the "anti people", to be fair, I really struggle to see the need for the vast majority of the extended I-69 (from Indianapolis to Texas). Existing Interstates can serve the job well, and now that I-57 will be extended to Little Rock, the combined I-70/57/30 corridor between Indianapolis and Texarkana really removes the need for I-69 between Indianapolis and Shreveport. Indiana could have done a lot with the money it wasted on I-69, including widening I-65 to three lanes for the entire length of the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 24, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on June 23, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
With this public private garbage INDOT has fumbled away any momentum it had on 69 and gave the anti people more ammo.

Well, I think the main reason it failed was because they used a foreign company that was being investigated for corruption. If they had used an American company and properly vetted it (and preferably, a local Indiana company) things may be vastly different). That being said, I'm generally not a fan of public-private partnerships anyway.

As far as the "anti people", to be fair, I really struggle to see the need for the vast majority of the extended I-69 (from Indianapolis to Texas). Existing Interstates can serve the job well, and now that I-57 will be extended to Little Rock, the combined I-70/57/30 corridor between Indianapolis and Texarkana really removes the need for I-69 between Indianapolis and Shreveport. Indiana could have done a lot with the money it wasted on I-69, including widening I-65 to three lanes for the entire length of the state.

It's likely the Indiana segment would have eventually been built in any instance, for one reason -- Evansville (and its associated interests).  The facility may have extended just to I-64 (using old I-164, as it does today, to access the city itself) or if KY ambitions could be likewise harnessed, down the Pennyrile to I-24.  The initial push for I-69 SW of Indianapolis came from Evansville; the entire corridor as currently legislated was the result of efforts from both IN and TX (some might say overreaching!), which brought in similar interests from southern Arkansas who cobbled up the central (Shreveport-Memphis) section to link the two independent north/south proposals.  The overall I-69 concept is like the proverbial "camel as a horse put together by a committee".  Nevertheless, given the successive post-ISTEA omnibus transportation bills (1995, 1998, 2005, etc.), and the history of development efforts in certain parts of the country, it's probable that at least the southern and northern thirds of I-69 would have been independently legislated by this time. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: LM117 on June 24, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
I thought the only reason Indiana pushed for I-69 to go to Texas was because it was the only way to get the feds to agree to an I-69 extension to Evansville? :hmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 24, 2017, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 24, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
I thought the only reason Indiana pushed for I-69 to go to Texas was because it was the only way to get the feds to agree to an I-69 extension to Evansville? :hmm:

The original set of high-priority corridors were put together by various congresspersons responding to interests (civic, commercial, and otherwise).  Indiana representatives could have asked for a corridor from Indianapolis to Evansville or into Kentucky as a stand-alone project -- but, IIRC, they were concerned that a specifically in-state corridor may not make the final cut (despite other such corridors being included within the original batches of '91 and '95), so they cobbled together the alliance with Texas and Arkansas representatives to legislate HPC 18, the "whole shooting match", so to speak.  Just a matter of trying to TCB and avoid potential objections.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 24, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on June 23, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
With this public private garbage INDOT has fumbled away any momentum it had on 69 and gave the anti people more ammo.

Well, I think the main reason it failed was because they used a foreign company that was being investigated for corruption. If they had used an American company and properly vetted it (and preferably, a local Indiana company) things may be vastly different). That being said, I'm generally not a fan of public-private partnerships anyway.

As far as the "anti people", to be fair, I really struggle to see the need for the vast majority of the extended I-69 (from Indianapolis to Texas). Existing Interstates can serve the job well, and now that I-57 will be extended to Little Rock, the combined I-70/57/30 corridor between Indianapolis and Texarkana really removes the need for I-69 between Indianapolis and Shreveport. Indiana could have done a lot with the money it wasted on I-69, including widening I-65 to three lanes for the entire length of the state.

It's likely the Indiana segment would have eventually been built in any instance, for one reason -- Evansville (and its associated interests).  The facility may have extended just to I-64 (using old I-164, as it does today, to access the city itself) or if KY ambitions could be likewise harnessed, down the Pennyrile to I-24. The initial push for I-69 SW of Indianapolis came from Evansville; the entire corridor as currently legislated was the result of efforts from both IN and TX (some might say overreaching!).

In that case, might as well have built the proposed I-67 corridor from Indianapolis to Owensboro as proposed by the I-67 corporation. It generally goes in a SW direction, but it goes just to the east of Evansville. I don't think that would have been necessary either, but at least it's not as long as the full I-69 corridor (from Indiana to Texas).

"(some might say overreaching!)" - Most definitely the entire I-69 corridor was overreaching, but especially the segment between Memphis and Shreveport. Its simply unneeded political pork. You want to build a much cheaper alternative? Finish the I-57 extension, which would connect Indianapolis to Texarkana and then upgrade US 59 to interstate standards between there and Houston.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
69 is absolutely needed from indy to eville, it's absolutely unnecessary south of that.  according to the book on the route, it only goes to texas because that's the only way they could get congress to get money for it.  hell, it only goes through mississippi because of trent lott. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 25, 2017, 12:06:59 AM
Quote from: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 04:01:24 PM
Most definitely the entire I-69 corridor was overreaching, but especially the segment between Memphis and Shreveport. Its simply unneeded political pork. You want to build a much cheaper alternative? Finish the I-57 extension, which would connect Indianapolis to Texarkana and then upgrade US 59 to interstate standards between there and Houston.

You'll probably get your wish; I'd be willing to bet that the I-57 extension -- and the I-69/369 continuum between Houston and Texarkana -- will be finished long before much more than a few initial I-69 steps done as SIU's (like the 2-lane bypass of Monticello, AR and the proposed connector from existing I-69 near Tunica and the Clarksdale bypass) are completed.  Right now, Arkansas seems to be more interested in finishing off the ancillary AR 530 Pine Bluff-Monticello route than the main I-69 trunk despite rumblings about a Monticello-McGehee connector project.  Between I-49 and the new kid on the block, I-57, AR attention appears to be focused elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: LM117 on June 25, 2017, 03:12:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
69 is absolutely needed from indy to eville, it's absolutely unnecessary south of that.

It's worth extending I-69 to Memphis IMO, since it would link Indy to I-55 and New Orleans, allowing traffic traveling between those two cities to bypass Birmingham and Nashville, which would otherwise be encountered via the I-59/I-65 route.

Another bonus of the extension is that it made Future I-169 in KY possible, which will give Evansville an interstate connection to Nashville (via link to I-24).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on June 25, 2017, 04:01:28 PM
One other plus for Southwestern Indiana and Western Kentucky (as well as north/south traffic through the area) is that it gives further thought and importance to a new bridge spanning the Ohio River between Evansville, IN and Henderson, KY.  The current bridges are at the tail end of their lifespan, and in addition are not constructed to today's current earthquake resistant standards (although the big one will take down any bridge).  There is a lot of north/south traffic through the area via US41, not to mention the local traffic between the two cities.  At best now, it will be 10 years before traffic goes over a new bridge.  I just hope that we don't have a major maintenance issue or structural failure before that time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 25, 2017, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 25, 2017, 12:06:59 AM
Quote from: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 04:01:24 PM
Most definitely the entire I-69 corridor was overreaching, but especially the segment between Memphis and Shreveport. Its simply unneeded political pork. You want to build a much cheaper alternative? Finish the I-57 extension, which would connect Indianapolis to Texarkana and then upgrade US 59 to interstate standards between there and Houston.

You'll probably get your wish; I'd be willing to bet that the I-57 extension -- and the I-69/369 continuum between Houston and Texarkana -- will be finished long before much more than a few initial I-69 steps done as SIU's (like the 2-lane bypass of Monticello, AR and the proposed connector from existing I-69 near Tunica and the Clarksdale bypass) are completed.  Right now, Arkansas seems to be more interested in finishing off the ancillary AR 530 Pine Bluff-Monticello route than the main I-69 trunk despite rumblings about a Monticello-McGehee connector project.  Between I-49 and the new kid on the block, I-57, AR attention appears to be focused elsewhere.

Good, because I-69 is not needed in Arkansas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on June 25, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
The only way I-69 in Arkansas will ever get built is if the Great River Bridge gets built, which neither Arkansas or Mississippi can afford at the moment. And Mississippi's more concerned with I-269 and Arkansas with I-49 getting connected.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 26, 2017, 01:48:52 AM
Let's remember the big gem of the I-69 corridor will be Houston. The value of connecting Houston, one of America's most important economic engines, to the heartland is momentous. Interstate 69 also will go through some of the more impoverished areas of the country, namely the Mississippi Delta and the corresponding delta region of Arkansas. A direct link to Houston may give these regions a significant economic boost, one they badly need. At this point, the value of the I-69 corridor may be dubious to some. And yet the population of the United States continues to steadily grow, particularly in the South. By 2050, the corridor's purpose and benefits may be more tangible.

Both Texas and Mississippi continue to slowly push ahead with their respective I-69 projects. Mississippi is currently finishing up I-269, the eastern outer beltway around Memphis, and is applying for a grant to extend I-69 a few miles deeper into the Delta. (link below)

http://www.desototimes.com/news/desoto-county-i--work-on-track/article_eb121a4a-18c4-11e7-838f-5fb9dfe54812.html



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Georgia on June 26, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Building an interstate through the Delta wont help it much, it is in bad need of good jobs and a systemic change.  The problem is, the educated workforce isnt there really for the good jobs to want to come.  What the delta has going for it is cheap everything and good people.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 26, 2017, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 24, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on June 23, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
With this public private garbage INDOT has fumbled away any momentum it had on 69 and gave the anti people more ammo.

Well, I think the main reason it failed was because they used a foreign company that was being investigated for corruption. If they had used an American company and properly vetted it (and preferably, a local Indiana company) things may be vastly different). That being said, I'm generally not a fan of public-private partnerships anyway.

As far as the "anti people", to be fair, I really struggle to see the need for the vast majority of the extended I-69 (from Indianapolis to Texas). Existing Interstates can serve the job well, and now that I-57 will be extended to Little Rock, the combined I-70/57/30 corridor between Indianapolis and Texarkana really removes the need for I-69 between Indianapolis and Shreveport. Indiana could have done a lot with the money it wasted on I-69, including widening I-65 to three lanes for the entire length of the state.

It's likely the Indiana segment would have eventually been built in any instance, for one reason -- Evansville (and its associated interests).  The facility may have extended just to I-64 (using old I-164, as it does today, to access the city itself) or if KY ambitions could be likewise harnessed, down the Pennyrile to I-24.  The initial push for I-69 SW of Indianapolis came from Evansville; the entire corridor as currently legislated was the result of efforts from both IN and TX (some might say overreaching!), which brought in similar interests from southern Arkansas who cobbled up the central (Shreveport-Memphis) section to link the two independent north/south proposals.  The overall I-69 concept is like the proverbial "camel as a horse put together by a committee".  Nevertheless, given the successive post-ISTEA omnibus transportation bills (1995, 1998, 2005, etc.), and the history of development efforts in certain parts of the country, it's probable that at least the southern and northern thirds of I-69 would have been independently legislated by this time.

We'd probably be in roughly the same spot (Indiana-wise) given that "Major Moves" would have still happened and would have funded the new terrain section.  Might be less momentum for the bridge and I suspect you're right that Kentucky would have focused on upgrading the Pennyrile.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 26, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 26, 2017, 01:48:52 AM
Let's remember the big gem of the I-69 corridor will be Houston. The value of connecting Houston, one of America's most important economic engines, to the heartland is momentous. Interstate 69 also will go through some of the more impoverished areas of the country, namely the Mississippi Delta and the corresponding delta region of Arkansas. A direct link to Houston may give these regions a significant economic boost, one they badly need. At this point, the value of the I-69 corridor may be dubious to some. And yet the population of the United States continues to steadily grow, particularly in the South. By 2050, the corridor's purpose and benefits may be more tangible.

Both Texas and Mississippi continue to slowly push ahead with their respective I-69 projects. Mississippi is currently finishing up I-269, the eastern outer beltway around Memphis, and is applying for a grant to extend I-69 a few miles deeper into the Delta. (link below)

http://www.desototimes.com/news/desoto-county-i--work-on-track/article_eb121a4a-18c4-11e7-838f-5fb9dfe54812.html

The one thing Houston always lacked with the original Interstate plan was an outlet heading northeast; the in-state HPC #20 (Laredo-Houston-Texarkana) addressed that rather directly & succinctly.  Incorporating it into the larger nationwide I-69 scheme was cobbled up by Indiana and South Texas interests, abetted by a few Arkansas folks, who grafted #20 onto their #18 and promptly trademarked the whole thing as "I-69" (along with the notorious suffixes!).  But the principal goal, as viewed from a Houston standpoint, remains to link that city with corridors heading northeast (such as I-30); if a direct link to either Texarkana or Shreveport -- now that I-49 is functionally a fait accompli between those two cities -- that will likely be sufficient to satisfy Houston interests; development of the Shreveport-Memphis segment won't likely garner the support that the in-state (TX) segments have received to date.  Lip service may be paid to the full corridor concept, but whether that is followed by funding remains to be seen.  Once the segments northeast of Memphis and southwest of Shreveport/Texarkana are completed or in progress, the central section won't be summarily abandoned -- but will probably proceed at a very leisurely pace -- most likely in small segments where local congresspeople and other officials want to make a splash with a "see what I've done" project; this'll include such things as upgrades of US 61 in MS and the Shreveport SE bypass.  It's simply a less pressing priority than the remainder of the corridor.     
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: aboges26 on June 26, 2017, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 26, 2017, 01:48:52 AM
Let's remember the big gem of the I-69 corridor will be Houston. The value of connecting Houston, one of America's most important economic engines, to the heartland is momentous. Interstate 69 also will go through some of the more impoverished areas of the country, namely the Mississippi Delta and the corresponding delta region of Arkansas. A direct link to Houston may give these regions a significant economic boost, one they badly need. At this point, the value of the I-69 corridor may be dubious to some. And yet the population of the United States continues to steadily grow, particularly in the South. By 2050, the corridor's purpose and benefits may be more tangible.

Both Texas and Mississippi continue to slowly push ahead with their respective I-69 projects. Mississippi is currently finishing up I-269, the eastern outer beltway around Memphis, and is applying for a grant to extend I-69 a few miles deeper into the Delta. (link below)

http://www.desototimes.com/news/desoto-county-i--work-on-track/article_eb121a4a-18c4-11e7-838f-5fb9dfe54812.html

Whoa whoa whoa, using your brain like this to analyze connectivity and future potential growth scenarios to determine long-range planning is not welcome around here!   :pan:

I agree with you that despite the cost of new freeway corridors, they are well worth it when you consider all the angles.  Sure I-69 will be a slow process and may seem porky, but it will take traffic headed from and destined for Houston and other areas of Texas off existing routes that are currently under strain such as I-40 between Little Rock and Memphis, I-30, and more that facilitate Texas connections with the Midwest and the east coast.  The I-69 concept is rightly putting the horse before the cart and will be a boon for areas along its path once it is complete in about 50 years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 26, 2017, 02:10:01 PM
i think the idea that this will help the delta region is bullshit.  just another pie in the sky excuse to get it built in the first place. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 26, 2017, 07:13:52 PM
How much economic development is realistically going to come from building I-69 between Memphis and Texas through the Mississippi Delta region? I doubt very much. Even if it brings more economic investment, if they don't have a good-educated skilled workforce, it is not going to do much. Problem with these areas (and rural areas in general) tend to be when people get a good education, they leave for better opportunities elsewhere.

I'll say it again, I-69 is an unfunded boondoggle that is eating up lots of resources that could be used elsewhere.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on June 26, 2017, 07:54:26 PM
Other than services which would pop up along the interstate, I don't know of any other long-term economic impact that I-69 would have in the Delta or in Southern Arkansas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 27, 2017, 01:33:23 AM
Quote from: I-39 on June 26, 2017, 07:13:52 PM
How much economic development is realistically going to come from building I-69 between Memphis and Texas through the Mississippi Delta region? I doubt very much. Even if it brings more economic investment, if they don't have a good-educated skilled workforce, it is not going to do much. Problem with these areas (and rural areas in general) tend to be when people get a good education, they leave for better opportunities elsewhere.

I'll say it again, I-69 is an unfunded boondoggle that is eating up lots of resources that could be used elsewhere.
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 26, 2017, 07:54:26 PM
Other than services which would pop up along the interstate, I don't know of any other long-term economic impact that I-69 would have in the Delta or in Southern Arkansas.

It's more than likely that the projected economic impact to Southern Arkansas (and possibly the Mississippi Delta region as well) would be dominated by the construction activity involved in the building of the road itself; if the project, including the AR 530 extension, were to extend over a decade or more, there might be something of an uptick in local economic activity to support the deployment.  The only potential long-term effect would be if large-scale warehousing or distribution facilities were to be sited along the alignment, likely near El Dorado, Monticello, or McGehee (where there are also railroad lines to serve such activities), attractive because of relatively cheap acreage. 

On a side note, frequently I hear (via jazz & blues blogs/publications and record-collectors' databases) that a Mississippi Delta music museum has been planned for the Clarksdale area for some time now -- and like most enterprises of that sort, is attempting to identify funding.  While proportionally minor in the overall scheme of things of concern, something like this would probably be rendered more viable (and attractive to investors and/or donors) if fast & efficient (read: Interstate-grade) egress were to advance to some state of certainty rather than contingent speculation.     

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 28, 2017, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: sparker on June 27, 2017, 01:33:23 AM
On a side note, frequently I hear (via jazz & blues blogs/publications and record-collectors' databases) that a Mississippi Delta music museum has been planned for the Clarksdale area for some time now -- and like most enterprises of that sort, is attempting to identify funding.  While proportionally minor in the overall scheme of things of concern, something like this would probably be rendered more viable (and attractive to investors and/or donors) if fast & efficient (read: Interstate-grade) egress were to advance to some state of certainty rather than contingent speculation.     

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There is the Delta Blues Museum in Clarksdale, been around since 1980. There are plenty of mom & pop stores based on blues music tourism centered around the twin suns of Ground Zero Restaurant (Co-owned by Morgan Freeman) & Cathead General Store.
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But still the traffic lights don't always work.
With the Grammy museum in Cleveland (http://www.grammymuseumms.org/ (http://www.grammymuseumms.org/)) and the Blues Foundation (finally) getting their museum operating in Memphis, I don't see the demand forthcoming for another blues museum in Clarksdale.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 28, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
Actually, the museum plans to which I was referring involved moving the present museum from the old RR station to a new facility near the freeway bypass.  But if the Blues Foundation's Memphis plans are finally gelling (after a quarter-century of negotiations that went nowhere for the longest time), you're probably correct that the impetus for a new Clarksdale facility will be blunted -- in fact, I wouldn't at all be surprised if the existing Clarksdale museum eventually became a branch of the Memphis operation -- that would certainly enhance the smaller town's status and visibility!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 30, 2017, 05:26:14 PM
One museum isn't going to bring enough tourism. They will need to build factories, intermodal yards and other things to really spur economic growth.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 08, 2017, 11:09:24 PM
It appears I touched upon a nerve by suggesting I-69 may have an economic impact on the Mississippi-Arkansas Delta region. The Delta is first and foremost an agricultural area. With its rich alluvial soil, it's been immensely productive since the 1840s. The coming of I-69, whenever that might be, won't be some magic wind that will usher in significant change to the area. In all likelihood, it will never be a hub for factories or distribution facilities. The Delta will remain the Delta, primarily agricultural, and for the far foreseeable future.

Areas in the United States where agriculture is the primary industry tend to change slowly. But they do change. For the past several decades, rural area have been steadily losing population to metropolitan areas. This trend is likely to continue, as commercial agriculture becomes even more intensive and ingrained. The family farm is almost dead. Although many ag regions are shrinking population wise, their importance to the U.S. and world economies remains strong. People need food. More people means more food production.

Roads are important to food production because they are the primarily method to move product to market or to production facilities. The easier and faster the transport, the better. This is how I-69 may benefit the Delta. It's not a panacea by any means, but the Mississippi-Arkansas Delta will be better off with an interstate than not. We really can't predict how the Delta might change fifty years out. Farming practices and crops tend to change. Once it was cotton and corn, now it's rice, cotton, soybeans and catfish. At the same time, it may not change much at all. But as the population of the United States continues to steadily grow, it's very possible the Delta's fertile productive soil may become all the more important.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of the United States crossed the 325 million threshold May 7, 2017. In 2014, the Bureau released population projections up to the year 2060:

2020     334,503,000
2030     359,402,000
2040     380,219,000
2050     398,328,000
2060     416,795,000

If these estimates hold true, just 33 years from now there will be 73 million more people calling the United States home; in 43 years that figure will jump to nearly 92 million. We're going to need more roads, bigger roads.

Here's some historical population stats for Texas and the city of Houston (from Wikipedia):

Texas
1970     11,196,730
1990     16,986,510
2010     25,145,561

Houston
1970       1,232,802
1990       1,953,631
2010       2,100,263

According to one projection, Texas will have a population of 40,698,640 by the year 2040. Houston, too, is likely to double in population by 2040, if it maintains its growth rate of prior decades. By 2050, Harris County, in which Houston is the county seat, probably will have a population of roughly 8,000,000. With I-69, the Delta may become one of the principal food producing regions for Houston and the state of Texas.

Links:
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/popproj.html
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/05/future-immigration-will-change-the-face-of-america-by-2065/
http://statchatva.org/2016/05/11/national-population-projections/


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 09, 2017, 01:10:56 AM
I've been out and about recently taking a look at Section 5 to see how things are coming along.

Crews are working hard in the vicinity of SR 37 and Sample Road blasting rock and grading to prepare for the future roadbed of the new southbound lanes of I-69. Work on the local access roads in the area is well underway as well; in fact, there's been some paving in that regard.

Work to complete the Fullerton Road/SR 37 interchange is steadily continuing. With some work remaining, it looks like the interchange may finally open to traffic in August. At Tapp Road, crews have been busy building up the land for the interchange ramps. This is a good move as it will reduce the time needed to construct the interchange once the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection is closed. The Tapp Road/SR 37 intersection is now the only light-controlled crossing between Evansville and Martinsville, Indiana. This intersection is an important gateway for east-west traffic on Bloomington's southside. When the intersection is sealed off, there is likely to be a lot of consternation and whining, so the quicker the interchange can be built, the better. And speaking of Martinsville and Morgan County, work to complete the Liberty Church Road interchange appears to have been put off to 2018. Nothing much has happened there this spring and early summer.

Let's get to the pictures. Photos were taken July 8, 2017, unless otherwise indicated.

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SR 37/Fullerton Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. The traffic roundabout is one of two featured as part of the interchange, one on each side of the overpass. This is the western roundabout, which will handle I-69 southbound exiting and entering traffic. Photo was taken June 28, 2017.

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Similar vantage point as above, 11 days later. Wait, what?! Yup, they removed the I-69 shields. Apparently, until Section 5 is officially designated Interstate 69, the shields are not allowed.

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Close up view of the western traffic roundabout at the Fullerton Road interchange; looking east.

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Looking north toward the entrance and exit ramps for southbound I-69 traffic at Fullerton Road. The exit ramp (left) splits into two, with the right lane (far left) exiting directly onto Fullerton Road. The other exit lane intersects with the traffic roundabout. A concrete barrier wall has been placed to separate the entering/exiting steams of traffic.

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Another perspective of the entrance and exit ramps for southbound SR 37/I-69 traffic at Fullerton Road; looking southeast. Earthwork continues on the path of the exit ramp (foreground, left of the dozer).

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Looking south through the metal railings of the Fullerton Road overpass. Crews continue to work on the northbound entrance and exit ramps. The bridge in the background is for Rockport Road.

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A broader perspective of the Fullerton Road western roundabout and the southbound exit and entrance ramps; looking northwest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 09, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
who designed those 37 shields? they look awful!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 09, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
Some more pictures. Photos were taken July 5, 2017, unless otherwise identified.

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Looking north toward a section of one of the local access roads that will link into the I-69/Sample Road interchange. This particular section is located to the east of the mainline and runs between E. Wylie Road (where the equipment is) and E. Ellis Rd. (foreground). To get a fuller understanding exactly where this is, power up Google Maps.

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A slighter zoomed in perspective of the above access road route. Normally I'd expand and crop a photo like this, but the Flickr editing software is undergoing a upgrade, so no can do. Anyway, the reason I'm uploading this particular photo is the drainage conduit in the middle of roadway. Crews will be building up the ground to nearly the top of drain. That's a lot of work to undertake for a minor local road, but, I'd guess since the route runs adjacent to an interstate, it must meet certain requirements.

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Looking across SR 37 from near the same position as the above photos. The area where earthwork is ongoing is for the local access road on the western side of SR 37/future I-69. The reflectors on the construction barrels really caught the camera flash. Not sure how wise it is to be driving a little Smart car on SR 37, but to each his own.

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Grading and rock excavation work underway for the western local access road that will link into the I-69/Sample Road interchange; looking northwest. This particular spot was about a 1/2 mile south of the Sample Road crossing.

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Just south of the Sample Road/SR 37 crossing, rocks and associated debris spilled into the southbound lanes of SR 37 after a 6:00pm blasting event. Crews brought out their beast of a front-end loader, a Caterpillar 992K, to clean it up. The 992K is one big machine; the picture doesn't do it justice.

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Another perspective of the area where the blast event took place; looking southwest. At the time the photo was taken, crews had opened one lane of southbound SR 37 to traffic. The paved road is N. Wayport Road, which will become a section of the eastern local access that will link into the I-69/Sample Road interchange. This section runs north nearly up to Sample Road where a traffic roundabout will be built. Just around the bend and on a bit, the pavement comes to any end. In total, about 1/3 of the eastern access road is now paved. A lot of work remains, however, particularly between N. Wayport Road at SR 37 and E. Wylie Road (see top picture), where earthwork has yet to commence.

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A more expansive perspective of the eastern access road; looking south. Here, where the picture was taken, the road cuts right through the parking lot of Nature's Way, a landscaping business. To get your bearings, just behind Nature's Way (off to the right) is the Circle K Mobil gas station and convenience mart.

Edit: Switched out one picture for another of slightly better quality; minor wording changes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on July 09, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 09, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
who designed those 37 shields? they look awful!

It's just a cookie-cutter square -- but this particular version seems to be a bit larger than normal, with a lot of space around the numbers themselves -- which gives the impression of a lot of empty white sign!  At least it's readable.  Not a lot one can do with the basic "design".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 09, 2017, 10:39:42 PM
there's a user on here that had a modified Indiana SR Shield on their profile, it looked cool.  It was blue like the state flag, had the stars on it, and had indiana on the top and the number on the bottom.  We should consider a new shield design, none of which should involve the state shape in them. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on July 10, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 10, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 10, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 09, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
the state sure knows how to pick em  :-D

The term you are looking for is "The lowest bidder".

This is why, when I got a new A/C and furnace, I got five estimates and threw out the lowest and highest, then looked at the other three.
I believe in a lot of states DOTs are legally-bound to take the lowest bidder.  Here in NY, there are one or two exceptions to that (e.g., a proven bad contractor or deeply flawed bid), but they are hard to prove and are rarely pursued.

And if by some turn of fate the low bid isn't accepted, expect a lawsuit.

But to be honest, most of the bidders on these projects have been around awhile and are generally known quantities. There isn't a lot of difference in the quality on most of the grade and drain projects in this area among different winning bidders.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on July 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
So do we have a firm completion date for the I-69 Bloomington to Martinsville segment yet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on July 15, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
So do we have a firm completion date for the I-69 Bloomington to Martinsville segment yet?

Eventually.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 15, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
So do we have a firm completion date for the I-69 Bloomington to Martinsville segment yet?

August 2018. That's the official substantial completion date being reported in media reports, per INDOT and the Indiana Finance Authority.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/07/06/lawmakers-urge-officials-avoid-repeating-69-mistakes/456307001/

At this time, Section 5 is about 60% complete. Crews are now working hard at several locations along the project's 21 miles. I guess substantial completion in August 2018 is doable, but I'd feel more comfortable if the date was pushed out to December 2018. To hit the August deadline, a lot of night work probably will be required. That might indeed happen. The State of Indiana–the governor, INDOT, etc.–want this project DONE.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on July 15, 2017, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 15, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
So do we have a firm completion date for the I-69 Bloomington to Martinsville segment yet?

August 2018. That's the official substantial completion date being reported in media reports, per INDOT and the Indiana Finance Authority.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/07/06/lawmakers-urge-officials-avoid-repeating-69-mistakes/456307001/

At this time, Section 5 is about 60% complete. Crews are now working hard at several locations along the project's 21 miles. I guess the August 2018 completion is doable, but I'd feel more comfortable if the date was pushed out to December 2018. To hit the August deadline, a lot of night work probably will be required. That might indeed happen. The State of Indiana–the governor, INDOT, etc.–want this project DONE.

It is more than doable, but I hope they don't rush things. We don't want a not-so-great product in the end.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 15, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 15, 2017, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 15, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
So do we have a firm completion date for the I-69 Bloomington to Martinsville segment yet?

August 2018. That's the official substantial completion date being reported in media reports, per INDOT and the Indiana Finance Authority.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/07/06/lawmakers-urge-officials-avoid-repeating-69-mistakes/456307001/

At this time, Section 5 is about 60% complete. Crews are now working hard at several locations along the project's 21 miles. I guess the August 2018 completion is doable, but I'd feel more comfortable if the date was pushed out to December 2018. To hit the August deadline, a lot of night work probably will be required. That might indeed happen. The State of Indiana–the governor, INDOT, etc.–want this project DONE.

It is more than doable, but I hope they don't rush things. We don't want a not-so-great product in the end.

More than doable? If I were a betting man, I'm not sure I'd place a bet on August 2018, unless given darn good odds.

There's still a LOT to do. Work on Section 5 started three years ago. Since then 0 of the 4 planned interchanges have been completed. To be fair, 1 is nearing completion and another is about 50% complete. Work, however, on the other two–at Sample Road and at Tapp Road–is still in the early stages. Moreover, only earthwork for the ramps is underway at Tapp Road, as the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection cannot be sealed off for full-blown construction of the interchange until the interchange at Fullerton Road completes. In addition to the 4 interchanges, of the planned 4 overpasses, 3 are open to traffic. However, the 17th Street/Vernal Pike overpass still requires some work–connecting into the city of Bloomington's 17th street, sidewalks, etc. The 4th overpass–at Chambers Pike north of the planned Sample Road interchange–has yet to commence construction.

Crews are pushing hard, the weather's been cooperating for the most part, so things are progressing forward at a good clip. Substantial completion in August 2018 is indeed possible, but it's no slam dunk at all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on July 15, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 15, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 15, 2017, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 15, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: I-39 on July 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
So do we have a firm completion date for the I-69 Bloomington to Martinsville segment yet?

August 2018. That's the official substantial completion date being reported in media reports, per INDOT and the Indiana Finance Authority.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/07/06/lawmakers-urge-officials-avoid-repeating-69-mistakes/456307001/

At this time, Section 5 is about 60% complete. Crews are now working hard at several locations along the project's 21 miles. I guess the August 2018 completion is doable, but I'd feel more comfortable if the date was pushed out to December 2018. To hit the August deadline, a lot of night work probably will be required. That might indeed happen. The State of Indiana–the governor, INDOT, etc.–want this project DONE.

It is more than doable, but I hope they don't rush things. We don't want a not-so-great product in the end.

More than doable? If I were a betting man, I'm not sure I'd place a bet on August 2018, unless given darn good odds.

There's still a LOT to do. Work on Section 5 started three years ago. Since then 0 of the 4 planned interchanges have been completed. To be fair, 1 is nearing completion and another is about 50% complete. Work, however, on the other two–at Sample Road and at Tapp Road–is still in the early stages. Moreover, only earthwork for the ramps is underway at Tapp Road, as the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection cannot be sealed off for full-blown construction of the interchange until the interchange at Fullerton Road completes. In addition to the 4 interchanges, of the planned 4 overpasses, 3 are open to traffic. However, the 17th Street/Vernal Pike overpass still requires some work–connecting into the city of Bloomington's 17th street, sidewalks, etc. The 4th overpass–at Chambers Pike north of the planned Sample Road interchange–has yet to commence construction.

Crews are pushing hard, the weather's been cooperating for the most part, so things are progressing forward at a good clip. Substantial completion in August 2018 is indeed possible, but it's no slam dunk at all.

How much of the actual road has been brought up to interstate standards?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 16, 2017, 01:50:06 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on July 15, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
How much of the actual road has been brought up to interstate standards?

Before I take a stab at answering the question, please take note that I am not in any way associated with the I-69 Section 5 project. I am not an engineer nor am I affiliated with a construction company or state agency, and never have been. I am simply a construction watcher, who, over the years, has picked up a few things about the building trades.

It's really hard to say with any exactitude how much of Section 5 roadway is now at interstate standards. To hazard a guess, I'd estimate a very substantial portion of the 21 miles is at interstate standards, or soon will be, at this point in time. Bear in mind the section of SR 37 currently being upgraded to I-69 was already a 4-lane divided highway with a grassy median. To a considerable degree it looked like an interstate, and a good number of people motored on it like it was. Except there were several at-grade crossings, and within the city of Bloomington itself three light-controlled intersections.

Most of the work to bring SR 37 up to interstate standards has involved eliminating the at-grade intersections and crossings, widening both the inside and outside shoulders, adding drainage structures, patching spots of roadway that had deteriorated, resurfacing, and reshaping and regrading embankments. At this point, almost all of the roadway between the I-69/SR 37 interchange, south of Bloomington, and the new Kinser Pike overpass to the north, a distance of about nine miles, is now new, expanded resurfaced roadway. If it isn't quite at interstate standards yet, it's very close. Currently, embankment and drainage work is underway on certain segments. Between Kinser Pike and Sample Road, the roadway has seen extensive upgrades as well. Because construction continues on the three mainline bridges in this stretch–Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek, and Beanblossom Overflow–the necessary roadway improvement in and around the bridges has to wait until bridge work completes.

It is in the vicinity of Sample Road where the bulk of the remaining construction awaits. Here, in addition to an interchange, roughly two miles of completely new interstate mainline will be built, the new southbound lanes. Crews are currently working to shape the terrain for this roadway, blasting rock several times a week, with the debris used as fill when needed. Blasting activity is expected to continue through August. Several miles of local access roads that will link into the Sample Road interchange are also under construction. Since these roads run adjacent to the interstate mainline in some areas, design and construction standards likely will be high, particularly with regards to drainage.

North of the new interchange at Liberty Church Road in Morgan County, work was underway a couple of weeks ago to add drainage piping. Earlier in this vicinity, a lot of work was undertaken in the median, probably pertaining to drainage as well. Near the rehabbed mainline bridges over Bryants Creek, it looks like work is underway to add drainage structures and redo the shoulders.

The pace of construction has picked up noticeably this year. Crews are working at more locations and appear to be working longer hours. In the vicinity of Sample Road, work was still going strong at 6 pm earlier this week. Crews also have been out working on Saturdays. I imagine once the State assumes control of the project this summer and assigns a new general contractor, the pace may even accelerate.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 16, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
A major story on the status of Section 5 was published in Sunday's edition (July 16) of Bloomington's Herald-Times. The headline, "Inching forward: No timetable in place for completion of Section 5," broaches the topic that is on the lips of many in South-Central Indiana, including, as well, a good number of readers of this forum: When will the Section 5 project complete?

The article (link below, but behind a paywall) doesn't provide any new details about the project's schedule, but offers some clarification and additional confirmation of how things will be moving forward. Some highlights from the article include:

- The substantial completion date of August 31, 2018, per the IFA (Indiana Finance Authority), is once again affirmed.
- The State Budget Committee has reviewed the transition plans presented the by the IFA, and has cleared them
- Official project transition from I-69 Development Partners to the State of Indiana is expected by July 31, 2017.
- The state is consulting with Walsh Construction to formulate a transition plan as well as to determine what exactly needs to done to complete the project.

Walsh Construction, for those not in the know, is a heavy hitter in the construction industry. They're headquartered in Chicago and have more than a dozen regional offices in North America. They're big, they do "big" projects. That Walsh has been tabbed to consult on Section 5 means the state is very serious about getting this project finished. It's possible Walsh will be appointed Section 5 general contractor once the state assumes control. If that is what ultimately transpires, it will be a major step forward toward completing Section 5 in timely fashion.

Link: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/inching-forward-no-timetable-in-place-for-completion-of-section/article_c93b9f45-9aa2-50ce-aa30-9de7ee3faded.html

Link (Walsh Group): http://www.walshgroup.com/

Edit: Minor correction; added link.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 16, 2017, 11:49:17 PM
I ventured out today for another look-see, driving up to Martinsville and back. Sunday is about the only day of the week I can step on site to get a closer look, as crews usually aren't working. One drilling crew was at work a little north of Simpson Chapel Road boring holes for rock blasting.

Here's a few pictures. Photos were taken July 17, 2017, unless otherwise identified.

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The middle bent of the future I-69/Sample Road overpass; looking east. Keep in mind that just to north of this location, the current northbound SR 37 lanes will be transitioned to a local access road, with the current southbound lanes of SR 37 becoming the northbound lanes of I-69. A completely new stretch of interstate mainline, about 2 miles in length, will be constructed for the southbound lanes of I-69.

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Looking southeast from near the location of the Sample Road overpass and future western roundabout. The path of the future southbound lanes of I-69 is clearly demarcated. To the right is the local access road that will link into the western Sample Road/I-69 roundabout. The access road will run roughly parallel to I-69 for about 1 1/2 miles south from this location.

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A closer view of the work south of Sample Road; looking southeast. In the background is recently paved N. Wayport Road. This is the road that was pictured in the last batch of uploaded photos. It will link into the eastern roundabout of the I-69/Sample Road interchange. Also somewhat visible in the middle background is a drilling rig for blasting activities. In this vicinity, the new southbound lanes of I-69 will converge with the current SR 37 southbound lanes.

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Looking north from near the future Sample Road/I-69 overpass. In this area, crews have been busy preparing the terrain for the new mainline stretch.

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Another perspective of the work zone north of Sample Road. In the foreground, rock has been brought in to build up the ground for the future western I-69/Sample Road roundabout.

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The area where the western Sample Road roundabout will be built; looking east. Just over the edge of the rock pile (background) is the median bent that was pictured in the first photo above.

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Looking north from near Simpson Chapel Road. Simpson Chapel Rd is 1 mile north of Sample Road, just across from Oliver Winery. Here work continues on preparing the terrain for the new southbound lanes of I-69.

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Another perspective of the construction zone north of Simpson Chapel Road; looking north.

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The view looking slightly southeast from near Simpson Chapel Road.

For those interested in staying abreast of the blasting events, check out the I-69 Section 5 Twitter account (link below):

https://twitter.com/i69section5?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on July 17, 2017, 07:53:47 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 16, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
Walsh Construction, for those not in the know, is a heavy hitter in the construction industry. They're headquartered in Chicago and have more than a dozen regional offices in North America. They're big, they do "big" projects. That Walsh has been tabbed to consult on Section 5 means the state is very serious about getting this project finished. It's possible Walsh will be appointed Section 5 general contractor once the state assumes control. If that is what ultimately transpires, it will be a major step forward toward completing Section 5 in timely fashion.

Link: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/inching-forward-no-timetable-in-place-for-completion-of-section/article_c93b9f45-9aa2-50ce-aa30-9de7ee3faded.html

Link (Walsh Group): http://www.walshgroup.com/

Edit: Minor correction; added link.


Walsh was the main contractor that oversaw the Louisville bridges project recently.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 17, 2017, 05:34:11 PM
walsh is good.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on July 17, 2017, 10:42:50 PM
I believe Walsh was the general contractor for the 641 bypass in Terre Haute. I never had any problems with them the few times I interacted with their people, and I think that project has gone off relatively hitch-free.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on July 18, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Walsh is very well versed in roadbuilding.  They were one of the prime contractors on the Ohio River Bridges project, as well as may other projects around country.  I'm sure they'll be able to get Section 5 done in short order once the process of cutting ties with the current contractor is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 19, 2017, 03:26:11 PM
Since I was over on the west side of Bloomington Monday and had some time to spare, I decided to snap a few photos of the ongoing construction near the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection. This intersection is the last remaining light-controlled crossing on I-69/SR 37 between Martinsville, IN, and Evansville. When the Fullerton Road/I-69 interchange, about 1 1/2 miles to the south, completes in the next month or so, the intersection will be sealed off to begin full-blown construction of the I-69/Tapp Road interchange.

Construction of the interchanges at Tapp Road and Sample Road, about 9 miles to the north of Tapp, as well as the 2 miles of new interstate mainline near Sample, will be the focus of the project the remaining months of this year as well as 2018. An overpass also is planned at Chambers Pike, about 2 miles north of Sample Road, but construction there has not yet commenced. The interchange at Liberty Church Road in Morgan County, has apparently been placed on the back burner, as little work has occurred there since late last fall. 2018 is shaping up to be a hot and heavy construction season for Section 5.

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The SR 37/Tapp Road intersection in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking slightly southeast.

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Another perspective of the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection; looking south. Crews have already built up the ground for the I-69 southbound entrance ramp (right), and are now doing loose lift (the process of building up the ground) for the southbound exit ramp to Tapp Road. Two traffic roundabouts are planned for this interchange, one on each side of the interstate. The western traffic circle will be located just about where the flat-bed semi is pictured.

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A slightly different view of SR 37 and the ongoing construction just south of Tapp Road; looking south. The Fullerton Road overpass is not visible, but is located just around the bend (background).

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Looking south from near the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection.

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Work is underway to build up the ground on the I-69 northbound exit ramp to Tapp Road; looking northwest. In the background is northbound SR 37 traffic.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 24, 2017, 01:38:55 AM
More photos. It was Sunday, another opportunity for a look-see. As it rained heavily Saturday night, to avoid the mud I didn't venture on site. Moreover, I wasn't wearing my boots, and even if I was I didn't fancy getting them all caked up. Anyway ... to the pics! Photos were taken July 23, 2017, unless otherwise identified.

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Looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. Construction continues on the three mainline bridges crossing, respectfully, Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek and Beanblossom Overflow. Crews have completed the inner portions of the bridges are now working on the outer sections. In this stretch of roadway and on up to the future I-69/Sample Road interchange (deep background), a cable barrier will be installed in the narrow median.

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A slightly different perspective of the construction zone north of Kinser Pike. The overpass is for southbound N. State Road 37 Business/N. Walnut Street.

The day before yesterday, July 22, in early afternoon, a triple fatality crash unfolded about a mile south of the overpass near the Bayles Road/N. State Road 37 Business crossing involving a bus and four other vehicles. A construction zone had been set up near Bayles with a flagger, and, apparently, southbound traffic had been stopped. A Miller Transportation bus with passengers on board rear-ended the last vehicle in the line of stopped traffic, a mini-van, killing three of the four occupants. Terrible. Just terrible.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/fox59/2017/07/23/3-dead-fatal-bus-accident-near-bloomington-indiana/502926001/

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Close up view of the construction on the mainline bridges over Griffy Creek (foreground) and Beanblossom Creek; looking north.

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A broad perspective of the view from the Kinser Pike overpass; looking north. Of interest is the path of the western access road (left), which swings around a small cemetery, located where the trees and greenery are adjacent to SR 37 southbound (background). The Mobil and Circle K signage near Sample Road is visible in the deep background.

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Looking northwest toward the future I-69/Sample Road interchange. The concrete column structure will be the median bent for the Sample Road overpass.

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Drilling rigs for boring holes in preparation for blasting activities. Just south of the SR 37/Sample Road crossing; looking southwest.

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Here's the rock that's getting blasted away; looking south from near the Circle K Mart at Sample Road and SR 37.

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An expansive view of the construction zone at Sample Road and SR 37; looking north. The pavement is N. Wayport Road, which will become a local access road that will link into Sample Road via a roundabout. The path of the western local access road, which will jut off south from a roundabout, is visible left.

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Close up view of the location of the future southbound lanes of I-69 that will pass under the overpass for Sample Road; looking slightly northwest. In addition to the mainline lanes, the I-69 southbound entrance ramp from Sample Road will also pass under the overpass. Similar to the interchange at Fullerton Road in Bloomington, the southbound entrance ramp will veer off north from a traffic circle and swing around in half-circular fashion to merge with I-69.

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One last view of the the construction zone north of Kinser Pike; looking north.

Tip: To view the photos in expanded format, do a right click and select "view photo."

Edit: Added tip info; minor wording change.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 24, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
i wish they'd use concrete, i'm beginning to hate asphalt on major roads. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: inkyatari on July 24, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
When is this stretch of I-69 supposed to be finished?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on July 24, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 24, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
i wish they'd use concrete, i'm beginning to hate asphalt on major roads.

I'm surprised they didn't, considering that the new-alignment section of 69 from I-64 to Bloomington is all concrete, and they definitely use it in reconstructions, too, judging by at least some of the roads around Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on July 24, 2017, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 24, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 24, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
i wish they'd use concrete, i'm beginning to hate asphalt on major roads.

I'm surprised they didn't, considering that the new-alignment section of 69 from I-64 to Bloomington is all concrete, and they definitely use it in reconstructions, too, judging by at least some of the roads around Indianapolis.

Maybe using asphalt was done as a cost-cutting measure, or maybe the soils settle too much to allow for the use of concrete?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 24, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on July 24, 2017, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 24, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 24, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
i wish they'd use concrete, i'm beginning to hate asphalt on major roads.

I'm surprised they didn't, considering that the new-alignment section of 69 from I-64 to Bloomington is all concrete, and they definitely use it in reconstructions, too, judging by at least some of the roads around Indianapolis.

Maybe using asphalt was done as a cost-cutting measure, or maybe the soils settle too much to allow for the use of concrete?
I'm pretty sure it was cost, but your soil point could also be a reason. I just feel asphalt is a terrible wearing surface on major roadways, take a look at the never ending patch job that is i-65.  Typically when projects go out to bid for indot they have them in concrete and asphalt, and whichever is cheaper wins obviously. Concrete seems to almost always be more expensive, which is why it's not as popular on roads as asphalt. But you get what you pay for it seems...

Nexus 6P

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 24, 2017, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 24, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
I'm surprised they didn't, considering that the new-alignment section of 69 from I-64 to Bloomington is all concrete, and they definitely use it in reconstructions, too, judging by at least some of the roads around Indianapolis.

Correction, MOST of I-69 from I-64 to Bloomington is concrete, some of it is asphalt. And money and soil were mentioned as reasons for doing it, it's just the two roadway types seem to change at random depending on which group was building that section (the individual sections within the larger section) of the highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2017, 08:07:36 AM
i'd like to see every interstate in concrete
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: inkyatari on July 25, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
I want to think that maybe it has to do with climate change, because I was reading something recently that says concrete plants are a big contributor to the problem.

But then there's oil refineries...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2017, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on July 25, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
I want to think that maybe it has to do with climate change, because I was reading something recently that says concrete plants are a big contributor to the problem.

But then there's oil refineries...

honestly asphalt is pretty green considering how recyclable it is.  the vast majority of it is reused.  dont think you can reuse concrete like that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on July 25, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
Concrete is a highly recyclable product. When it's replaced, it's rubble-ized and used as a base for new highways or as fill.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on July 25, 2017, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 25, 2017, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on July 25, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
I want to think that maybe it has to do with climate change, because I was reading something recently that says concrete plants are a big contributor to the problem.

But then there's oil refineries...

honestly asphalt is pretty green considering how recyclable it is.  the vast majority of it is reused.  dont think you can reuse concrete like that

Possibly.  I've seen where the old concrete was pulverized and used as the base for new concrete.  I wonder if the cost of doing so as opposed to zero recycling is the reason for not seeing more of this.

EDIT:  Was entering this when prior post was made.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dvferyance on July 25, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 25, 2017, 03:12:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
69 is absolutely needed from indy to eville, it's absolutely unnecessary south of that.

It's worth extending I-69 to Memphis IMO, since it would link Indy to I-55 and New Orleans, allowing traffic traveling between those two cities to bypass Birmingham and Nashville, which would otherwise be encountered via the I-59/I-65 route.

Another bonus of the extension is that it made Future I-169 in KY possible, which will give Evansville an interstate connection to Nashville (via link to I-24).
Not really Memphis traffic can just take I-55 to I-155 to US 51 to I-24 to I-69 to Indianapolis. All of which are already freeways. You don't need another parallel interstate 20 miles east of I-55 down to Memphis. I am sure this route isn't much longer anyways. I always thought I-24 at Hopkinsville KY is the most logical southern end for I-69 instead of it turning west to meet I-24.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on July 26, 2017, 12:41:25 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 25, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 25, 2017, 03:12:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
69 is absolutely needed from indy to eville, it's absolutely unnecessary south of that.

It's worth extending I-69 to Memphis IMO, since it would link Indy to I-55 and New Orleans, allowing traffic traveling between those two cities to bypass Birmingham and Nashville, which would otherwise be encountered via the I-59/I-65 route.

Another bonus of the extension is that it made Future I-169 in KY possible, which will give Evansville an interstate connection to Nashville (via link to I-24).
Not really Memphis traffic can just take I-55 to I-155 to US 51 to I-24 to I-69 to Indianapolis. All of which are already freeways. You don't need another parallel interstate 20 miles east of I-55 down to Memphis. I am sure this route isn't much longer anyways. I always thought I-24 at Hopkinsville KY is the most logical southern end for I-69 instead of it turning west to meet I-24.

Gee -- I guess KYDOT spent millions on the Pennyrile/WKY interchange revisions for nothing!  At this point, second-guessing I-69 north of Memphis is pointless -- it may be a long haul, but it's gonna happen!  SW of there -- place your bets and settle in; it's going to be a bumpy ride!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on July 26, 2017, 01:58:35 AM
Quote from: sparker on July 26, 2017, 12:41:25 AM
Gee -- I guess KYDOT spent millions on the Pennyrile/WKY interchange revisions for nothing!
They did whether or not I-69 goes to Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on July 26, 2017, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 25, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 25, 2017, 03:12:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
69 is absolutely needed from indy to eville, it's absolutely unnecessary south of that.

It's worth extending I-69 to Memphis IMO, since it would link Indy to I-55 and New Orleans, allowing traffic traveling between those two cities to bypass Birmingham and Nashville, which would otherwise be encountered via the I-59/I-65 route.

Another bonus of the extension is that it made Future I-169 in KY possible, which will give Evansville an interstate connection to Nashville (via link to I-24).
Not really Memphis traffic can just take I-55 to I-155 to US 51 to I-24 to I-69 to Indianapolis. All of which are already freeways. You don't need another parallel interstate 20 miles east of I-55 down to Memphis. I am sure this route isn't much longer anyways. I always thought I-24 at Hopkinsville KY is the most logical southern end for I-69 instead of it turning west to meet I-24.
Ummm....no. At the very least, you need I-69 to go all the way to downtown Memphis, if only to provide an endpoint for northern I-269 and to avoid having travelers crossing the Mississippi River twice (via I-40 and I-155). I really don't think travelers going north from Memphis want to fight through traffic lights on US 61.


Alcatel_4060A

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dvferyance on July 26, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on July 26, 2017, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 25, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 25, 2017, 03:12:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
69 is absolutely needed from indy to eville, it's absolutely unnecessary south of that.

It's worth extending I-69 to Memphis IMO, since it would link Indy to I-55 and New Orleans, allowing traffic traveling between those two cities to bypass Birmingham and Nashville, which would otherwise be encountered via the I-59/I-65 route.

Another bonus of the extension is that it made Future I-169 in KY possible, which will give Evansville an interstate connection to Nashville (via link to I-24).
Not really Memphis traffic can just take I-55 to I-155 to US 51 to I-24 to I-69 to Indianapolis. All of which are already freeways. You don't need another parallel interstate 20 miles east of I-55 down to Memphis. I am sure this route isn't much longer anyways. I always thought I-24 at Hopkinsville KY is the most logical southern end for I-69 instead of it turning west to meet I-24.
Ummm....no. At the very least, you need I-69 to go all the way to downtown Memphis, if only to provide an endpoint for northern I-269 and to avoid having travelers crossing the Mississippi River twice (via I-40 and I-155). I really don't think travelers going north from Memphis want to fight through traffic lights on US 61.


Alcatel_4060A
I-269?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 04, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
The Fullerton Pike interchange is going to open on Sunday (http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2017/08/i-69-section-5-announces-road-closures-1.php) (weather-permitting)

Quote(BLOOMINGTON) - The I-69 Development Partners Team announces the closure of Tapp Road east of State Road 37 to construct roadway and interchange improvements.
The Fullerton Pike interchange is anticipated to open on Sunday, August 6, weather permitting. Upon opening of the interchange, Tapp Road will be closed east of State Route 37 from the intersection with State Road 37 to Deborah Drive.

Traffic accessing east Tapp Road from State Road 37 will be detoured to the Fullerton Pike interchange, east to Rockport, and then north to Tapp Road.

Traffic from Tapp Road seeking access to State Road 37 and Tapp Road west of State Road 37 will be detoured north on Rockport Road, north on S. Rogers Street, west on Patterson Drive, and west on Second Street.

The closure of Tapp Road east of State Road 37 will begin on or after August 6 and remain closed through May 2018.

Fullerton Pike will be closed west of State Road 37 from the intersection with Medical Park Boulevard to Sharon Drive. Traffic accessing west Fullerton Pike will be detoured to west Tapp Road.

The closure of Fullerton Pike west east of State Road 37 will begin on or after Sunday and remain closed through August.

Upon opening the interchange at Fullerton Pike, access from northbound State Road 37 to That Road and access from southbound State Road 37 to Shaw Road will be permanently eliminated. Access to That and Shaw Road will be obtained using the Fullerton Pike interchange, east to Rockport Road until the west side of Fullerton Pike is complete.

Access to That Road and State Road 37 will not be directed with route markers. Please plan alternate routes in regards to accessing State Road 37 or That Road prior to the closing date. Access to Shaw Road will be marked with alternate route signing until such time that Fullerton Pike is completely opened at which time, route markers will be removed.

The permanent elimination of access to That Road and Shaw Road from State Road 37 is anticipated to occur on or after Sunday, August 6.

Nice to see progress being made.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on August 05, 2017, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 26, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
I-269?

Yes, I-269/TN 385, the proposed Memphis Outer Beltway. Unless you plan on extending TN 385 across the Mississippi River to meet I-55/I-555, you will need a northern terminus.

Plus, do you really want Memphis/Evansville/Indy traffic to have to negotiate through the already busy I-40 bridge to get to downtown Memphis?

Whatever you may think about I-69 south of Memphis, the segment between Memphis and Dyersburg is more than legitimate and needed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on August 05, 2017, 02:36:13 AM
I-269 is the tail wagging the dog.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 09, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
The Bloomington Herald-Times confirms the Fullerton Pike interchange has opened (behind paywall, of course)

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/confusing-signs-at-new-fullerton-pike-interchange-frustrate-drivers/article_5fa8e1cb-c60a-5229-b0e6-190586431a2c.html

Quote from: Herald TimesThe Fullerton Pike and Ind. 37 interchange opened this week to confusion and frustration.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 09, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: thefro on August 09, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
The Bloomington Herald-Times confirms the Fullerton Pike interchange has opened (behind paywall, of course)

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/confusing-signs-at-new-fullerton-pike-interchange-frustrate-drivers/article_5fa8e1cb-c60a-5229-b0e6-190586431a2c.html

Quote from: Herald TimesThe Fullerton Pike and Ind. 37 interchange opened this week to confusion and frustration.

what is the confusion and frustration about?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 09, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 09, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: thefro on August 09, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
The Bloomington Herald-Times confirms the Fullerton Pike interchange has opened (behind paywall, of course)

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/confusing-signs-at-new-fullerton-pike-interchange-frustrate-drivers/article_5fa8e1cb-c60a-5229-b0e6-190586431a2c.html

Quote from: Herald TimesThe Fullerton Pike and Ind. 37 interchange opened this week to confusion and frustration.

what is the confusion and frustration about?

"Where's the stoplight!  I don't know how to interchange!  :crazy: :paranoid:"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 09, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 09, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: thefro on August 09, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
The Bloomington Herald-Times confirms the Fullerton Pike interchange has opened (behind paywall, of course)

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/confusing-signs-at-new-fullerton-pike-interchange-frustrate-drivers/article_5fa8e1cb-c60a-5229-b0e6-190586431a2c.html

Quote from: Herald TimesThe Fullerton Pike and Ind. 37 interchange opened this week to confusion and frustration.

what is the confusion and frustration about?

The confusion is the result of the interchange NOT YET linking into the street grid west of SR 37. Work is still ongoing to connect the interchange to W. Fullerton Road and S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. From the interchange's west traffic roundabout, access to Monroe Hospital is possible, but to reach the medical offices across the street (S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd.) or Shaw Road vehicles–semis, buses, etc.–have been passing through the hospital's parking lot. It's a bizarre situation.

INDOT, apparently, wanted the SR 37/Fullerton Road interchange open, despite being not entirely completed. Why? Probably because they wanted work to begin at the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection. Remember, due to the requirement of maintaining access to Monroe Hospital, the Tapp Road/SR 37 intersection couldn't be closed, even partially, until the Fullerton Road interchange was opened. To complete Section 5 by the stipulated completion date–August 31, 2018–it was probably important to move forward at Tapp Road now, instead of in early fall.

Here's a map that illustrates the current situation. The red lines indicate the areas where construction is still underway. The hospital is the large structure with the black roof; the previously mentioned medical offices are across the street. The blue line represents the course some vehicles are taking to reach the medical offices, Shaw Road or Fullerton Road.


Courtesy Google Earth/Google Maps.

Edit: Revised map to include the blue line; minor wording edits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on August 10, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
Private enterprise does everything better! Hmmm, wait a minute...

Indiana Highway Gives "˜Black Eye' to Private Investment in Infrastructure

State selected Spanish construction company that quickly ran into financial trouble, leading to delays
https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003?mod=e2tw (https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003?mod=e2tw)

At a time when Washington is promoting private investment in roads, bridges and other infrastructure, a 21-mile stretch of highway in Indiana provides what critics say is a cautionary tale.

The project, a partnership between the state and private investors, was signed by Vice President Mike Pence in 2014 when he was the state's governor. It is two years behind schedule and only 60% built. The state is in the process of taking it over and will have to issue debt to finish it.

"It became clear that the only way to ensure completion in a reasonable time frame would be to put it back under the state's control,"  said Stephanie Wilson, spokeswoman for current Republican Gov. Eric Holcomb. "As with any project, we must pivot and change course when needed. That's what we did here."

Asked about the failed partnership, vice presidential spokesman Mark Lotter said Mr. Pence "was proud of Indiana's many accomplishments during his tenure as governor"  including investments in infrastructure.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 10, 2017, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 10, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
Private enterprise does everything better! Hmmm, wait a minute...

Indiana Highway Gives "˜Black Eye' to Private Investment in Infrastructure

State selected Spanish construction company that quickly ran into financial trouble, leading to delays
https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003?mod=e2tw (https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003?mod=e2tw)

At a time when Washington is promoting private investment in roads, bridges and other infrastructure, a 21-mile stretch of highway in Indiana provides what critics say is a cautionary tale.

The project, a partnership between the state and private investors, was signed by Vice President Mike Pence in 2014 when he was the state's governor. It is two years behind schedule and only 60% built. The state is in the process of taking it over and will have to issue debt to finish it.

"It became clear that the only way to ensure completion in a reasonable time frame would be to put it back under the state's control,"  said Stephanie Wilson, spokeswoman for current Republican Gov. Eric Holcomb. "As with any project, we must pivot and change course when needed. That's what we did here."

Asked about the failed partnership, vice presidential spokesman Mark Lotter said Mr. Pence "was proud of Indiana's many accomplishments during his tenure as governor"  including investments in infrastructure.


The problem is not the PPP.  The problem is that the lowest bidder on the project turned out to have a parent company with financial difficulties that did not come out in the bidding process.   The question is why didn't the difficulties come to light?  Was there a flaw in the process that did not catch it or did the winning company hide their problems from the State of Indiana?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 10, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
If there had been no PPP and the state had overseen and funded the project from the beginning, as it SHOULD HAVE, then the road would either be done or close to it. Instead, we have this long delayed project that has led to extended dangerous driving conditions and multiple DEATHS. Pence and the state have blood on their hands.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 10, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
On a lighter note, can someone update Google Maps to reflect the opened interchange and extend the interstate designation and coloring up to Tapp Road? The Shaw and That Roads access point has been cut off too. Thanks.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on August 10, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on August 10, 2017, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 10, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
Private enterprise does everything better! Hmmm, wait a minute...

Indiana Highway Gives "˜Black Eye' to Private Investment in Infrastructure

State selected Spanish construction company that quickly ran into financial trouble, leading to delays
https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003?mod=e2tw (https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003?mod=e2tw)

At a time when Washington is promoting private investment in roads, bridges and other infrastructure, a 21-mile stretch of highway in Indiana provides what critics say is a cautionary tale.

The project, a partnership between the state and private investors, was signed by Vice President Mike Pence in 2014 when he was the state's governor. It is two years behind schedule and only 60% built. The state is in the process of taking it over and will have to issue debt to finish it.

"It became clear that the only way to ensure completion in a reasonable time frame would be to put it back under the state's control,"  said Stephanie Wilson, spokeswoman for current Republican Gov. Eric Holcomb. "As with any project, we must pivot and change course when needed. That's what we did here."

Asked about the failed partnership, vice presidential spokesman Mark Lotter said Mr. Pence "was proud of Indiana's many accomplishments during his tenure as governor"  including investments in infrastructure.


The problem is not the PPP.  The problem is that the lowest bidder on the project turned out to have a parent company with financial difficulties that did not come out in the bidding process.   The question is why didn't the difficulties come to light?  Was there a flaw in the process that did not catch it or did the winning company hide their problems from the State of Indiana?

Overseas-based companies such as the Spanish conglomerate contracted for that I-69 portion often are themselves part of a decidedly byzantine web of other companies and interests (things that wouldn't pass vetting here in the U.S.); when dealing with U.S. projects, they make sure that any paper trail connecting them to less-than-pristine activities elsewhere is as thin as possible.  They're certainly smart about it; they tailor their presentations and pricing structure to dovetail with not only the U.S. overriding concern with frugality but also the recent desire on the part of some at both the state and federal levels to privatize as much of the developmental process as possible.  In short, they present a package that fulfills, on paper, the "wish list" that has been presented to them or that they have intuited from the U.S. officials involved.  In this case the reality didn't match the promises. 

Unfortunately, this "grasping at straws" seems to characterize much of the approach to transportation expenses in jurisdictions that cater to those who would prefer to minimize -- or even truncate -- the historic approaches to funding.  But if those folks insist on proceeding along that path, they need to do more deep vetting of those they entrust with public works -- even if it means looking "gift horses" directly in the mouth!   :poke:

     
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 10, 2017, 04:18:09 PM
the old vernal pike alignment needs to be removed too
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 11, 2017, 02:25:08 AM
Quote from: ITB on August 09, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 09, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: thefro on August 09, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
The Bloomington Herald-Times confirms the Fullerton Pike interchange has opened (behind paywall, of course)

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/confusing-signs-at-new-fullerton-pike-interchange-frustrate-drivers/article_5fa8e1cb-c60a-5229-b0e6-190586431a2c.html

Quote from: Herald TimesThe Fullerton Pike and Ind. 37 interchange opened this week to confusion and frustration.

what is the confusion and frustration about?

The confusion is the result of the interchange NOT YET linking into the street grid west of SR 37. Work is still ongoing to connect the interchange to W. Fullerton Road and S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. From the interchange's west traffic roundabout, access to Monroe Hospital is possible, but to reach the medical offices across the street (S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd.) or Shaw Road vehicles–semis, buses, etc.–have been passing through the hospital's parking lot. It's a bizarre situation.

INDOT, apparently, wanted the SR 37/Fullerton Road interchange open, despite being not entirely completed. Why? Probably because they wanted work to begin at the SR 37/Tapp Road intersection. Remember, due to the requirement of maintaining access to Monroe Hospital, the Tapp Road/SR 37 intersection couldn't be closed, even partially, until the Fullerton Road interchange was opened. To complete Section 5 by the stipulated completion date–August 31, 2018–it was probably important to move forward at Tapp Road now, instead of in early fall.

Here's a map that illustrates the current situation. The red lines indicate the areas where construction is still underway. The hospital is the large structure with the black roof; the previously mentioned medical offices are across the street. The blue line represents the course some vehicles are taking to reach the medical offices, Shaw Road or Fullerton Road.


Courtesy Google Earth/Google Maps.

Edit: Revised map to include the blue line; minor wording edits.


Late Thursday afternoon, I went down to get a first hand view of the newly opened SR 37/Fullerton Pike interchange. I discovered some of the info in my earlier post (above) was not as accurate as it needed to be. To be sure, the fact that the interchange does not link into the street grid west of SR 37 is indeed correct. That vehicles are passing through the parking lot of Monroe Hospital to reach the street grid is also correct. However, the medical offices and Fullerton Pike cannot be accessed by driving through the hospital parking lot. Currently, the only road that can reached via the parking lot–aside from short stretch of S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. that connects into the interchange's western roundabout–is Shaw Road. While fewer vehicles appear to cutting through the parking lot to access Shaw Road, it's still happening quite often.

This situation will resolve in the next 2-3 weeks when construction completes on the short stretch of S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. Nevertheless, such a situation should never have developed in the first place. That the interchange was allowed to be opened with no access to the street gird west of SR 37 reflects poor planning and judgement. I pointed the finger at INDOT earlier, but I'm not sure that's entirely valid. Approval, however, was given to open the interchange, and that decision rests with either INDOT, the FHWA, or both.

Here's an amended map and photo that reflect the current situation at the SR 37/Fullerton Pike interchange. The red lines indicate where construction is continuing. The blue line, which begins at the interchange's western roundabout, shows the route through the hospital parking lot vehicles are taking to reach Shaw Road.





The short stretch of S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. currently under construction near the I-69/Fullerton Pike interchange; looking north. In the background, vehicles can be seen passing though the western roundabout. Monroe Hospital is located to the right out of view. The entrance to the hospital from S. Monroe Medical Park is just behind the small excavator. Once vehicles commit to S. Monroe Medical Park from the roundabout, there is little choice but to the enter hospital parking lot. There they can either turn around and head back up to the roundabout and the interchange or exit south to Shaw Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 11, 2017, 07:24:31 AM
this shouldn't have been opened.  they could have waited another month or 2
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on August 11, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 10, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
On a lighter note, can someone update Google Maps to reflect the opened interchange and extend the interstate designation and coloring up to Tapp Road? The Shaw and That Roads access point has been cut off too. Thanks.

Nope.  Google removed all abilities for crowd source map contributors to modify the map.  The best you can do is use the report a problem option and hope they might do something in 3 to 5 years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 11, 2017, 09:58:33 AM
I thought that they just moved it to a new place, it's gone forever?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 11, 2017, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: cjw2001 on August 11, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 10, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
On a lighter note, can someone update Google Maps to reflect the opened interchange and extend the interstate designation and coloring up to Tapp Road? The Shaw and That Roads access point has been cut off too. Thanks.

Nope.  Google removed all abilities for crowd source map contributors to modify the map.  The best you can do is use the report a problem option and hope they might do something in 3 to 5 years.

Well that sucks and is dangerous and unfair to drivers. If road conditions change and are not quickly reflected on Google Maps it could lead to confusion and accidents.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 11, 2017, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 10, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
On a lighter note, can someone update Google Maps to reflect the opened interchange and extend the interstate designation and coloring up to Tapp Road? The Shaw and That Roads access point has been cut off too. Thanks.

The interchange needs to be added but it's not going to be signed as an interstate until 2018 at the earliest.  I guess it could be labelled as a freeway up to the Fullerton Pike interchange, but until they get construction cleared out and traffic can move freely I wouldn't call it a "freeway" yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on August 11, 2017, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 11, 2017, 10:55:19 AM

Well that sucks and is dangerous and unfair to drivers. If road conditions change and are not quickly reflected on Google Maps it could lead to confusion and accidents.

Yep.  For the US 31 project in Hamilton County I typically had the updates published on Google Maps the same day each road segment opened or closed.  No longer possible.   I've used the report option for the many new roundabout projects in Hamilton County since the shutdown of edit capabilities.  My reports are pretty much ignored other than simple road closure reports. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on August 11, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 11, 2017, 09:58:33 AM
I thought that they just moved it to a new place, it's gone forever?
What was moved to the maps interface was the ability to edit points of interest (restaurants, shopping centers, businesses, etc.).

Road edit capabilities haven't shown up yet and I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 12, 2017, 01:53:15 AM
Quote from: cjw2001 on August 11, 2017, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 11, 2017, 10:55:19 AM

Well that sucks and is dangerous and unfair to drivers. If road conditions change and are not quickly reflected on Google Maps it could lead to confusion and accidents.

Yep.  For the US 31 project in Hamilton County I typically had the updates published on Google Maps the same day each road segment opened or closed.  No longer possible.   I've used the report option for the many new roundabout projects in Hamilton County since the shutdown of edit capabilities.  My reports are pretty much ignored other than simple road closure reports.

Update OSM then. ;)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on August 12, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 12, 2017, 01:53:15 AM

Update OSM then. ;)

I enjoyed keeping Google Maps up to date since it was the most widely used mapping service by the general public.  (I made over 50,000 edits and 40,000 reviews on that platform over a 5 year period.)  If Google comes to their senses and opens up editing again then I'll likely go back to my old habits at that point.  Until that happens don't have a need to start a new time sink.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 13, 2017, 10:28:12 PM
More pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, August 11, 2017, unless otherwise noted.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4378/35745282303_5645f76f30_k.jpg)
New signage; looking north from the overpass that carries Rockport Road over SR 37/Interstate 69.

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On S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. near the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 (future I-69) interchange, a crew works to install a storm sewer conduit; looking southeast.

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Looking north toward S. Monroe Medical Park Blvd. and the western roundabout of the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 (future I-69) interchange.  I believe the crew is operating a large vacuum/suction machine, but exactly what they're doing or why I do not know. It's possible they're cleaning out a storm sewer installation.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4383/35719638394_27f831e83c_k.jpg)
Close up of the work above; looking north.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4425/35745284343_6cd60a4586_k.jpg)
The bridge that carries Fullerton Pike over SR 37/future Interstate 69; looking northeast.

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The scene at the Fullerton Pike construction zone at 6:30pm, Friday, August 11. Yup. They're pushing hard to get this project done.

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A different angle of the new signage for the Fullerton Pike interchange; looking north from the Rockport Road overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 13, 2017, 11:11:51 PM
Here's a few more from the other end of Section 5. Photos were taken August 13, 2017, unless otherwise noted.

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The bridge that will carry Liberty Church Road over SR 37/future I-69 in Morgan County, Indiana; looking north.

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Just south of the Liberty Church Road overpass, work is underway to construct a bridge over Little Indian Creek for the local access road; looking south.

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A mid-range perspective of the bridge work at Little Indian Creek.

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Closer view at Little Indian Creek.

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The piling rig to drive the steel bridge piles at Little Indian Creek.

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Another view of the Liberty Church Road overpass; looking north. The crane is being used for driving piles for the access road bridge over Little Indian Creek.

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An unusual, quiet moment with no traffic at the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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A heavy-blade dozer and two lime trucks await startup Monday morning at the Liberty Church Road work zone; looking north. Aside from work on the western local access road, not all the much work has been advanced at Liberty Church this year. In the last month or so, additional equipment has been brought on site and modest embankment work appears to be underway. It seems full-blown construction at Liberty Church will restart in early 2018, but maybe sooner.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on August 14, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
This is simply awesome! Too bad that when it's completed back to Indianapolis, it'll have to piggyback on the eastern half of I-465 instead of slicing straight through the city. But we all can dream, can't we?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 14, 2017, 09:34:29 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 14, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
This is simply awesome! Too bad that when it's completed back to Indianapolis, it'll have to piggyback on the eastern half of I-465 instead of slicing straight through the city. But we all can dream, can't we?

No, having an interstate "slice straight" through a city is not a welcome state of affairs. This isn't the 1960s anymore. Indy has enough issues with inner city decay. It doesn't need a six lane freeway gutting neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 14, 2017, 12:26:15 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 14, 2017, 09:34:29 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 14, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
This is simply awesome! Too bad that when it's completed back to Indianapolis, it'll have to piggyback on the eastern half of I-465 instead of slicing straight through the city. But we all can dream, can't we?

No, having an interstate "slice straight" through a city is not a welcome state of affairs. This isn't the 1960s anymore. Indy has enough issues with inner city decay. It doesn't need a six lane freeway gutting neighborhoods.

completely disagree, 69 cutting through is something that should have been done.  interstates going through cities isn't all bad, unlike what citylab would want you to think, boulevards don't make anything better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 14, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
Much of the area near Harding north of the south side of I-465 is industrial/flood plain to I-70 (with a few exceptions).  On the northeast side of town, it would be possible to put in a narrow interstate in the footprint of what is listed as Binford Blvd quite a ways in.  The challenge is then to get from that point to where  you could hook back into I-70 and the downtown loop.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 14, 2017, 06:04:36 PM
the only portion that's worth building is the north split to 465 portion.  but enough of dreams of this...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 14, 2017, 07:50:52 PM
It's official. The State of Indiana has taken control of Section 5.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/state-completes-process-to-take-over-i--project/article_296328c2-8128-11e7-b31b-c35cde775376.html

At the time of posting, the article was available to all readers, not tucked behind the usual H-T paywall. To accompany the short piece, there's a great aerial photo of the SR 37/Fullerton Pike interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on August 14, 2017, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 14, 2017, 07:50:52 PM
It's official. The State of Indiana has taken control of Section 5.
Is this an example of when Public/Gov't entities are better suited for the task at hand vs Private entities?

Or is this simply the failure of a single Public-Private Partnership?

Lets see what InDOT does with the remains of the Section 5 project now

Does this change InDOT's budget? Not sure on the Dollars and Cents of this development
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 14, 2017, 11:17:48 PM

Here's the Indiana Finance Authority press release announcing the completion of the I-69 Section 5 Settlement Agreement:

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http://www.in.gov/ifa/files/NEWS%20RELEASE_State%20Closes%20on%20I-69%20Section%205%20Settlement%20Agreement_FINAL.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 14, 2017, 11:18:57 PM
The p3 would have been successful if they picked a local company, or one near Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on August 15, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
I wonder if Walsh bid on it originally?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 15, 2017, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 15, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
I wonder if Walsh bid on it originally?

I believe they did, IIRC.  The international company they picked was significantly lower than the other bids.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
From an IFA (Indiana Finance Authority) I-69 Section 5 board presentation. No date but it appears to be from early 2014. (For full presentation, see link below.)

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Before the project even got underway, Gradex pulled out and was replaced by Crider & Crider. About two years after construction began, Aztec/TYPSA exited, in June of 2016. As of April 2017, Aztec was in litigation to get the money due them. (see link)

https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20170419e46

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http://in.gov/ifa/files/I-69_Section_5_IFA_Board_Presentation.pdf

Edit: To clarify when Aztec Engineering left the project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2017, 01:53:38 PM

Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2017, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 14, 2017, 07:50:52 PM
It's official. The State of Indiana has taken control of Section 5.
Is this an example of when Public/Gov't entities are better suited for the task at hand vs Private entities?

Or is this simply the failure of a single Public-Private Partnership?

This was a failure of a single p3. To more fully grasp what went wrong and why should be a case-study in business school.

Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2017, 10:11:04 PMLets see what InDOT does with the remains of the Section 5 project now

INDOT and the powers that be in State of Indiana, the governor, etc., appear hell-bent to get Section 5 substantially completed by the officially stipulated deadline, August 31, 2018. I wouldn't bet against them.

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 14, 2017, 11:18:57 PM
The p3 would have been successful if they picked a local company, or one near Indiana.

Probably.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 15, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
The maps application on my iPad is showing the Fullerton Pike interchange as complete, which is good.

It's also showing the Tapp Road interchange as complete, which isn't.


Not sure if I should report that to Apple, or The Time Patrol...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 15, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
It shows ALL the exits as complete. I'm surprised they don't have I-69 marked all the way up to Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 16, 2017, 12:10:23 PM
Tapp road just started, it can only be signed up to fullerton right now. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on August 16, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
Very likely that the Interstate signage will not be installed until this section gets closer to substantial completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 16, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on August 16, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
Very likely that the Interstate signage will not be installed until this section gets closer to substantial completion.

This is more than likely the situation.  They haven't even posted any mileage signs on the section between I-64 and Bloomington.  Even though we know the road is going (and highway 37 does) go to Bloomington and Indianapolis, there are no control cities listed, except southbound for Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on August 19, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
They should just make Bloomington the control city on the signs that are visible on say US 50, US 231, SR 64, etc. Bloomington is big enough to be a control city and they also are home to Indiana University.

On the mainline interstates however, Indianapolis should be the control city.

Basically I think they should do it the way Illinois would do it. Illinois uses Indianapolis and St Louis as the control cities on the interstates themselves, but on the roads that have interchanges with I-70 often Terre Haute, Effingham, and E St Louis are used as the control cities. Hopefully this halfway makes sense.  :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on August 20, 2017, 09:28:09 PM
^ I do like how Illinois does that on their freeways.  I actually would like to see Pennsylvania do that along I-80.  :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: inkyatari on August 21, 2017, 09:09:37 AM
I have to say that because of all the photos, this is probably my favorite thread on these forums.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 21, 2017, 06:30:34 PM
I drove I-69 from Bloomington to Evansville and back to get a better view of the solar eclipse today. The new terrain portion is in good condition and there was a moderate amount of traffic on both legs of the journey. The portion through Bloomington is still pretty hairy. The exit for Fullerton Pike is a blink-and-you-miss-it situation. New asphalt pavement is being poured between Rockport Road and the Tapp Road interchange so I think the lanes will shift once that is done. There is a lot of earth moving occurring at Tapp Road so you can tell the state is serious about getting the interchange built.

Good progress but still a ways to go yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 22, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
I heard US 41 was a mess over the ohio due to the eclipse traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on August 22, 2017, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 22, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
I heard US 41 was a mess over the ohio due to the eclipse traffic.

The bridge construction exacerbated the situation too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 22, 2017, 05:57:48 PM
Who would have thunk it? In the mid-1910s to the late 1920s, the western route of the Dixie Highway roughly followed the route of what is today SR 37 (soon to be I-69) from Indianapolis to Bloomington. The Highway continued south from Bloomington to Bedford and Paoli on Old SR 37, then jogged southeast on what is now US 150 to Louisville.

Here's a section of an old 1915 Dixie Highway map in Indiana.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4424/36347385640_66156affce_b.jpg)

For those not in the know, the Dixie Highway was a network of paved roads constructed in the 1910s to connect the upper Midwest states to Florida. To see the full 1915 Dixie Highway map, check out the link below.

https://www.wdl.org/en/item/11544/

Edit: Minor wording edits for clarity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on August 22, 2017, 06:06:51 PM
Technically, Old IN 37 from Indy to Bedford carried the Dixie Highway, not the 4 Lane Divided Highway that is today's IN 37, that is being upgraded to I-69 from Bloomington to Indy

And to continue up to Chicago, the route follows US 136 north and west to Danville, IL, and then due north on IL 1 to head up to the Windy City

Not super related to the I-69 question, but any idea what the intersection(s) in Downtown Indy is/are where the different branches of the Dixie Highway intersect?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 22, 2017, 06:25:49 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 22, 2017, 06:06:51 PM
Technically, Old IN 37 from Indy to Bedford carried the Dixie Highway, not the 4 Lane Divided Highway that is today's IN 37, that is being upgraded to I-69 from Bloomington to Indy

Indeed. The distinction between Old SR 37 and the current SR 37 is important. Thanks for pointing that out.

Quote from: ilpt4u on August 22, 2017, 06:06:51 PMNot super related to the I-69 question, but any idea what the intersection(s) in Downtown Indy is/are where the different branches of the Dixie Highway intersect?

Wikipedia has a good rundown of State Road 37, its history, etc. You might find what you're looking for there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_State_Road_37
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on August 22, 2017, 07:47:44 PM
Interesting map - I didn't know that the Dixie Highway looped around the lower peninsula. I also thought that it went south on US 41 in Indiana, based solely on the local name of US41 South in Terre Haute, the Dixie Bee Highway. Was that ever a Dixie Highway?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on August 22, 2017, 08:06:28 PM
SR 37 was a two-lane highway from I-465 at Indianapolis south to US 50 south of Bedford until approximately late 1973, when the current four-lane at-grade expressway was constructed.  The old two-lane roadway was on a different alignment and went through both Bloomington and Bedford.  I remember when it was being constructed as we were alternating between new and old sections.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on August 22, 2017, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on August 22, 2017, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 22, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
I heard US 41 was a mess over the ohio due to the eclipse traffic.

The bridge construction exacerbated the situation too.

We crashed with our daughter in Evansville prior to eclipse day, but she warned us off trying to use the twin bridges Monday morning due to the construction. We crossed the Ohio on the downtown Owensboro bridge and went straight down US 431 to the totality zone. It worked out really well. Traffic was heavy, but moved along nicely.

Heading back to northern Indiana, the worst choke point was at Bloomington where I-69 turns onto SR-37 north. For some reason, INDOT makes the I-69 traffic filter down to a single lane. I don't know why they do this. I'm sure it won't be the case when construction is done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 23, 2017, 12:11:33 AM
Quote from: theline on August 22, 2017, 11:07:17 PM

Heading back to northern Indiana, the worst choke point was at Bloomington where I-69 turns onto SR-37 north. For some reason, INDOT makes the I-69 traffic filter down to a single lane. I don't know why they do this. I'm sure it won't be the case when construction is done.

It is a merging issue. Only two narrow lanes are open in each direction through Bloomington. Having a lane of high speed traffic from 37 merging with two lanes from I-69 would be a disaster. The current setup has one lane each from 69 and 37 merging to form two lanes. Once the highway is completed, there will be three lanes in each direction through Bloomington and four between the Fullerton Pike and SR 37 interchanges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 23, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
I am concerned about how traffic from I-69 will have to quickly merge across two lanes of traffic from SR 37 to get to the Fullerton Pike exit. I know it would be expensive but this seems like a good place to build collector-distributor lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 23, 2017, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 23, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
I am concerned about how traffic from I-69 will have to quickly merge across two lanes of traffic from SR 37 to get to the Fullerton Pike exit. I know it would be expensive but this seems like a good place to build collector-distributor lanes.

The Fullerton exit ramp is nearly a mile after where I-69 merges with SR 37 (4300+ ft), so that's plenty of time to get over.  I don't see that being a bottleneck given that there's not a lot of traffic on that side of Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 23, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
The exits from SR 48 to SR 37 are tightly spaced and when traffic is moving at 60+ mph 4300 feet goes by pretty fast. And it isn't one lane change but two that a car on 69 has to make to get off on Fullerton.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 23, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
when bloomington fills the gap in fullerton pike, they should consider making the entire road one name.  4 names can get crazy for 1 continuous road! also, are there plans to extend tapp road to state road 45?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 24, 2017, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 23, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
when bloomington fills the gap in fullerton pike, they should consider making the entire road one name.  4 names can get crazy for 1 continuous road! also, are there plans to extend tapp road to state road 45?

I have no knowledge of that and I live in Bloomington. The Fullerton Pike extension and upgrade is the big project right now and the county's main priority.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2017, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 23, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
when bloomington fills the gap in fullerton pike, they should consider making the entire road one name.  4 names can get crazy for 1 continuous road! also, are there plans to extend tapp road to state road 45?

Yes, there are plans to connect Tapp Road to SR 45/W. Airport Road. The project's listed as a "recommended improvement project" in the Bloomington/Monroe County Metropolitan Planning Organization's 2035 Long Range Transportation Plan (p. 127 and 173). Other than that listing, as far as I know, there hasn't been much revealed about the potential extension, when it might be officially scheduled for construction, etc.   

https://bloomington.in.gov/sites/default/files/2017-05/long_range_transportation_plan_0.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 24, 2017, 01:22:00 PM
Tapp Road also needs to be renamed to one name.

Could potentially be Airport Road --> Tapp Road --> Country Club Drive --> Winslow Road --> Rogers Road --> Smith Road (granted it goes around a bend and starts going N/S, so this name change is probably okay) once the extension is done
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 24, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
rogers road definitely needs to go, they already have a rogers st.  there's a few more streets that randomly change names in bloomington!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2017, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 24, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
rogers road definitely needs to go, they already have a rogers st.  there's a few more streets that randomly change names in bloomington!

Don't think the name "Rogers Road" will be removed anytime soon, if ever. The Rogers family has been one of the more prominent families in Bloomington and Monroe County since the 1850s 1820s. In fact, that stretch of roadway designated "Rogers Road" was named after Ralph Rogers, who founded and built up one of the largest aggregate businesses in the United States, now known as the Rogers Group. Hmm... Aggregate. Roads. That's right, Ralph Rogers became a road builder, not only supplying stone aggregate materials to hundreds of major projects, but also building a good number himself. As the network of paved highways and interstates expanded in Indiana and elsewhere in the Midwest, his company grew and prospered. If I remember correctly, he also was deeply involved in getting SR 46 built between Bloomington and Nashville, IN, either as a builder or booster, or, more likely, both. On the then outskirts of Bloomington, adjacent to what is now Rogers Road, Ralph had a large spread, in addition to a house in Bloomington.

Here's links to more information about Ralph Rogers and the Rogers Group:

http://www.pitandquarry.com/pit-quarry-hall-of-fame-profile-ralph-rogers/

http://rogersgroupinc.com/About/tabid/62/Default.aspx

Edit: I'm going to walk back the statement that Rogers Road is named after Ralph Rogers. That doesn't seem accurate, as roads are usually named after pioneering settlers. Ralph Rogers did own a large piece of property in the vicinity of Rogers Road, but it may been land his ancestors settled and farmed decades earlier, thus the "Rogers Road."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 26, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
A new article in the Bloomington Herald-Times about the chaos at the Fullerton Pike interchange (behind a pay wall):

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/driven-crazy-road-work-still-confusing-motorists-on-fullerton-pike/article_15192ece-e76f-5e42-be9c-1d2f963c745d.html

This entire project has been a disaster and resulted in the needless deaths of several people. Why do you open an interchange with the connecting roads not complete while shutting down access to the highway at other locations? People have to take a huge detour to get to Monroe Hospital which during a medical emergency could mean the difference between living or dying.

If I didn't know better I would think the state is intentionally screwing with Bloomington because of its opposition to the interstate. They have blood on their hands if that is the case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 26, 2017, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 26, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
A new article in the Bloomington Herald-Times about the chaos at the Fullerton Pike interchange (behind a pay wall):

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/driven-crazy-road-work-still-confusing-motorists-on-fullerton-pike/article_15192ece-e76f-5e42-be9c-1d2f963c745d.html

This entire project has been a disaster and resulted in the needless deaths of several people. Why do you open an interchange with the connecting roads not complete while shutting down access to the highway at other locations? People have to take a huge detour to get to Monroe Hospital which during a medical emergency could mean the difference between living or dying.

If I didn't know better I would think the state is intentionally screwing with Bloomington because of its opposition to the interstate. They have blood on their hands if that is the case.

i agree with the sentiment about why they opened it when they did, but not with the last part about screwing bloomington.  also, whose died as a result of the opening of this new exit?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 26, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Several people have died during the I-69 construction, which has been delayed significantly. The road should have been completed last year. The extended dangerous driving conditions have led to fatal accidents that never should have occurred.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 28, 2017, 07:34:34 PM
Before I post some new photos, I'd like to provide a brief update about the Rogers Road street name as well as some additional about Ralph Rogers, a now-deceased, former prominent Bloomington resident.

Here's what I wrote earlier and will serve as a prelude to what follows:

Quote from: ITB on August 24, 2017, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 24, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
rogers road definitely needs to go, they already have a rogers st.  there's a few more streets that randomly change names in bloomington!

Don't think the name "Rogers Road" will be removed anytime soon, if ever. The Rogers family has been one of the more prominent families in Bloomington and Monroe County since the 1850s 1820s. In fact, that stretch of roadway designated "Rogers Road" was named after Ralph Rogers, who founded and built up one of the largest aggregate businesses in the United States, now known as the Rogers Group. Hmm... Aggregate. Roads. That's right, Ralph Rogers became a road builder, not only supplying stone aggregate materials to hundreds of major projects, but also building a good number himself. As the network of paved highways and interstates expanded in Indiana and elsewhere in the Midwest, his company grew and prospered. If I remember correctly, he also was deeply involved in getting SR 46 built between Bloomington and Nashville, IN, either as a builder or booster, or, more likely, both. On the then outskirts of Bloomington, adjacent to what is now Rogers Road, Ralph had a large spread, in addition to a house in Bloomington.

Here's links to more information about Ralph Rogers and the Rogers Group:

http://www.pitandquarry.com/pit-quarry-hall-of-fame-profile-ralph-rogers/

http://rogersgroupinc.com/About/tabid/62/Default.aspx

Edit: I'm going to walk back the statement that Rogers Road is named after Ralph Rogers. That doesn't seem accurate, as roads are usually named after pioneering settlers. Ralph Rogers did own a large piece of property in the vicinity of Rogers Road, but it may been land his ancestors settled and farmed decades earlier, thus the "Rogers Road."

First of all, there are two streets in Bloomington and Monroe County named Rogers. Rogers Street is a north-south arterial just west of College Avenue. It was named after the Aquilla Rogers family, who were among the earliest settlers of Monroe County. Rogers Road, on the other hand, is part of lengthy east-west arterial on the south side of Bloomington that has three other names appended to it. From east to west, its goes Rogers Road--->Winslow Road--->Country Club Drive--->Tapp Road. Tapp Road intersects with SR 37 (future I-69) and then truncates at Leonard Springs Road about a quarter mile west of SR 37.

Rogers Road is most likely named after the two or three Rogers families who farmed, and had significant landholdings, in that area of Monroe County in the 1850s. By the 1920s, however, the land had been sold off to others. Ralph Rogers, who founded the Bloomington aggregate business that prospered greatly in the 1940s and 50s, was a descendant of the one of the two early Rogers families that came to Monroe County in the late 1810s. By 1957, Ralph Rogers owned, by my rough estimate, between 800 and 1,000 acres in Perry Township alone. Perry Township is one of two primary townships in Monroe County, splitting the city of Bloomington in half horizontally, with Third Street the dividing line between Bloomington Twp and Perry. Among other smaller tracts, he had about 400 acres on Rogers Road, comprising the land between High Street and Snoddy Road south of Rogers Road. Rogers also had very considerable landholdings where the College Mall shopping center now sits. Yup, he probably sold the land to the developers of the mall. Also, later, he controlled, with a partner whose name I can't recall, upwards of 4,000 acres in southern Monroe County.

The Ralph Rogers Co. also constructed State Road 46, as we know it today, between Bloomington and Nashville, Indiana.

Here's the link to 1957 plat map for Perry Township in Monroe County. To get your bearings, the road at the top is 3rd Street. Honey Creek Road is now called Snoddy Road. The Bloomington County Club is also shown. For some reason, the link doesn't directly bring up the plat for Perry Twp, so page down the content list (on the right) until you find PLAT-0001-0024_Perry Twp and click on that.

http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16066coll2/id/24219

And here's the source used for some of the above, a book about the history of The Rogers Group.

https://www.amazon.com/Ground-Up-Rogers-Helped-Nation/dp/1577364074/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503960643&sr=1-6&keywords=from+the+ground+up+sandy

Edit: To correct misspelling of the Rogers Group; added info about SR 46.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 28, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
Here's some pictures I took Sunday, August 27, 2017. Tip: To view the photos in expanded format, right click and select "view photo."

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The construction work zone near Sample Road at SR 37 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north. An overpass and an interchange are being built at Sample Road as part of Section 5 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project. In this vicinity, new southbound lanes for Interstate 69 will be constructed. Take note of the subbase material that has been placed in spots for these new lanes. The wide gap between the bridge abutment (left) and middle bent is for the two new southbound interstate lanes as well as the southbound entrance ramp from Sample Road. This ramp will jog off north from a roundabout then swing around to go down and under the overpass.

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Closer view of the construction of the Sample Road overpass; looking northwest.

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This is the roughed-out eastern roundabout of the Sample Road/future I-69 interchange; looking west. At the far left, the middle bent of the overpass can be seen.

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A broad view of the Sample Road work zone; looking north.

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The path of a section of the eastern local access road about 1/2 mile south of the Mobil/Circle K. Still a way to go here, but they'll beat this terrain into shape in short order.

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A couple of very large off-highway trucks used at the Sample Road work zone. The one in back is a Caterpillar 777C, an impressive piece of equipment. Can you define big!?

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Another perspective of the the future overpass that will carry Sample Road over Interstate 69; looking northwest.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 28, 2017, 11:35:16 PM
To continue on from above, a few more from the Sample Road work zone. Photos were take August 26, 2017, unless otherwise identified.

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The local access road leading up the future traffic roundabout at Sample Road on the east side of SR 37 (future I-69); looking north. To get your bearings, the Mobil/Circle K on SR 37 is just off to the left. August 27, 2017.

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Close-up view of the back of the Caterpillar 777C off-highway truck pictured above. August 27.

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Another view of the future Sample Road overpass; looking west.

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Looking south from Sample Road toward State Road 37. Crews continue to remove rock and material on the west side of the roadway for the new I-69 southbound lanes as well as the western local access road that will tie into the Sample Road interchange. In this vicinity the new interstate lanes will merge with the present southbound lanes of SR 37 (future 69).

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Near Simpson Chapel Road (pictured), work to shape the terrain for the new southbound lanes of I-69 continues. To the left is the recently paved local access road that will link into the Sample Road/I-69 interchange. Between the Sample interchange and the paved section pictured, Simpson Chapel Road will be utilized as the local access road. But north of the Simpson Chapel/SR 37 crossing, new access roadway needed to be built.

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The local access road north of the Simpson Chapel Road/SR 37 intersection; looking north. The new southbound lanes of I-69 will run between the access road and the current SR 37 southbound lanes. In this vicinity and on down to Sample Road, when the new interstate lanes complete, the southbound lanes of SR 37 will converted to the northbound lanes for Interstate 69.

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Another view looking north from just south of Simpson Chapel Road.

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Looking south from near Simpson Chapel Road. The bridge abutment for the future Sample Road overpass is in the background.

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Another perspective of the scene looking south from near Simpson Chapel Road.

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Equipment on site at the Sample Road/SR 37 work zone; looking south.

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Close up of the rear of the Caterpillar 777C off-highway rock truck; at the Sample Road work zone; looking north. Now is that an axle or what!? August 27.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on August 28, 2017, 11:56:07 PM
I hope those big CATs were built in Peoria...

Cool looking photos, regardless

I drove around the I-69/SR 37 construction zone around Bloomington in late June -- and it looks like more progress is being made, regularly
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on August 29, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 28, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
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A couple of very large off-highway trucks used at the Sample Road work zone. The one in back is a Caterpillar 777C, an impressive piece of equipment. Can you define big!?

Very large offroad earthwork haul truck.  Probably capacity of about 30 cubic yards of excavation.  Typical onroad dump truck is 10 to 15 cubic yards.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 30, 2017, 04:34:40 PM

Here's a batch from the Bloomington area. Photos were taken August 27, 2017, unless otherwise identified. To expand the photos, right click and select "view photo." Use the arrow keys to navigate.

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The sealed off Tapp Road/State Road 37 intersection; looking east. Although the signals have yet to be removed, crews have been working steadily to build up the ground for the future I-69/Tapp Road interchange. Similar to the interchange at Fullerton Pike, two roundabouts will be constructed on Tapp Road, one on each side of the interstate.

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Another perspective of the work underway at Tapp Road; looking slightly northeast.

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Looking southeast from Tapp Road toward SR 37. Part of the Fullerton Pike interchange is visible in the background. The dirt path sloping down to SR 37 is the future on-ramp for I-69 southbound from Tapp Road.

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The view looking northeast from near Tapp Road. Crews have started to build up the ground–a process call loose lift in construction lingo–for the southbound exit ramp to Tapp (left).

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Mid-range view looking south from Tapp Road.

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Closer look at the closed Tapp Road/SR 37 crossing; looking east. On Tapp Road just beyond SR 37, crews excavated a rather large hole, then proceeded to fill it with rock. Additional rock will be placed for the base of the future eastern roundabout. When the correct height is reached, the mound will be covered with dirt, after which construction of the traffic circle will commence.

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Construction continues on the last little section of roadway to connect the the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 (future I-69) interchange to Fullerton Pike (pictured) east of SR 37; looking southeast.

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Long-range perspective of the Tapp Road work zone; looking east.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 01, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 22, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
I heard US 41 was a mess over the ohio due to the eclipse traffic.

Name any road going north from the eclipse zone and you will hear of the traffic.

Visit some of the other state threads where the eclipse went full and you will hear the same thing.

Illinois threads say it was bumper to bumper all the way up all the major routes, US-51, US-45, IL-1, I-57, IL-3.

I am guessing I-69 had a healthy traffic load just after.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on September 02, 2017, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on September 01, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 22, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
I heard US 41 was a mess over the ohio due to the eclipse traffic.

Name any road going north from the eclipse zone and you will hear of the traffic.

Visit some of the other state threads where the eclipse went full and you will hear the same thing.

Illinois threads say it was bumper to bumper all the way up all the major routes, US-51, US-45, IL-1, I-57, IL-3.

I am guessing I-69 had a healthy traffic load just after.

Driving back from St Louis that night, I lost 1 hour just going through Effingham, IL. I-70 was fine, but I-57 was bumper to bumper.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on September 03, 2017, 04:36:32 PM
TN 111 was okay.  Slowed down in a couple of towns, but not terrible.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on September 05, 2017, 02:37:55 AM
Quote from: westerninterloper on August 22, 2017, 07:47:44 PM
Interesting map - I didn't know that the Dixie Highway looped around the lower peninsula. I also thought that it went south on US 41 in Indiana, based solely on the local name of US41 South in Terre Haute, the Dixie Bee Highway. Was that ever a Dixie Highway?

After the creation of the Dixie Highway, Evansville Mayor Benjamin Bosse and other key political figures in Terre Haute, Vincennes, Henderson, Hopkinsville, etc created the Dixie Bee Highway in 1915, a more direct highway between Chicago and Nashville. The name was to insinuate that this was the bee-line for the Dixie Highway. This route became the preferred route between Chicago and the south, and resulted in it being chosen for US 41 a decade later.

There are still references to the Dixie Bee Line in addition to the mentioned street in Terre Haute. In Evansville, there is a neighborhood along Stringtown Road that is named Dixie Bee. In fact, at the entrance, there is a marker that not only says "Dixie Bee" but has Stringtown Road marked as Dixie Bee Boulevard. In Crofton, KY, the Bee Line Motel sat along US 41 for many years, only recently torn down.

Here is a link to an Evansville Courier and Press article on the history of the Dixie Bee and US 41.

http://archive.courierpress.com/news/before-there-was-us-41-there-was-the-dixie-bee-line-ep-860516321-324821851.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 05, 2017, 12:37:47 PM
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/36242333/indot-to-discuss-refined-option-for-i-69-section-6

New public meetings next week for I-69 Section 6 where they will show the "refined preferred alternative" and take comments.

Quote from: Inside Indiana BusinessIndiana Department of Transportation officials will next month hold public meetings to update modifications made to the preferred path of the final section of the I-69 expansion. INDOT says the sessions in Martinsville, Indianapolis and Greenwood will cover a "refined preferred alternative" for Section 6 that has been reviewed by the Federal Highway Administration.

The initial preferred alternative was detailed in the project's Draft Environmental Impact Statement released in March and survey work began in May. The Indianapolis to Martinsville section will follow State Road 37.

I-69 Section 6 Project Manager Sarah Rubin says "the final refinements we'll be sharing were based on feedback from INDOT planners, project stakeholders and the general public. The project team has worked diligently to incorporate that input into a refined preferred alternative that reduces impacts in certain areas while meeting the purpose and need of the overall project."

The meetings will take place at the following locations:

Martinsville High School, Tuesday, September 12 from 6:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
Perry Meridian High School in Indianapolis, Wednesday, September 13 from 6:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
Center Grove High School in Greenwood, Thursday, September 14 from 6:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
INDOT will take public comments about the refined preferred alternative until September 26.

Also, DEIS/FHWA are both expected in Q1 2018
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:19:16 PM
About dang time. Fullerton Pike has been fully opened, allowing people to access Monroe Hospital from the west.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/fullerton-pike-reopens-i--work-to-restrict-lanes-turns/article_987732e2-99c3-5021-820f-874b19075f76.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 05, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.
Don't think the former IN Gov, now VP, will get a little bit of Pork in the Trump Infrastructure Bill (assuming it ever happens), and the Feds pick up the bill?

It wouldn't surprise me all that much
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on September 05, 2017, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on September 05, 2017, 02:37:55 AM
Quote from: westerninterloper on August 22, 2017, 07:47:44 PM
Interesting map - I didn't know that the Dixie Highway looped around the lower peninsula. I also thought that it went south on US 41 in Indiana, based solely on the local name of US41 South in Terre Haute, the Dixie Bee Highway. Was that ever a Dixie Highway?

After the creation of the Dixie Highway, Evansville Mayor Benjamin Bosse and other key political figures in Terre Haute, Vincennes, Henderson, Hopkinsville, etc created the Dixie Bee Highway in 1915, a more direct highway between Chicago and Nashville. The name was to insinuate that this was the bee-line for the Dixie Highway. This route became the preferred route between Chicago and the south, and resulted in it being chosen for US 41 a decade later.

There are still references to the Dixie Bee Line in addition to the mentioned street in Terre Haute. In Evansville, there is a neighborhood along Stringtown Road that is named Dixie Bee. In fact, at the entrance, there is a marker that not only says "Dixie Bee" but has Stringtown Road marked as Dixie Bee Boulevard. In Crofton, KY, the Bee Line Motel sat along US 41 for many years, only recently torn down.

Here is a link to an Evansville Courier and Press article on the history of the Dixie Bee and US 41.

http://archive.courierpress.com/news/before-there-was-us-41-there-was-the-dixie-bee-line-ep-860516321-324821851.html

thank you!!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 05, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.
Don't think the former IN Gov, now VP, will get a little bit of Pork in the Trump Infrastructure Bill (assuming it ever happens), and the Feds pick up the bill?

It wouldn't surprise me all that much

No, he is a right winger. They don't want to spend public money on infrastructure. Trump's plan is to give tax credits to incentivize private interests to build and maintain roads, highways, and bridges. Meaning Section 6 would be a for-profit toll highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 06, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 05, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.
Don't think the former IN Gov, now VP, will get a little bit of Pork in the Trump Infrastructure Bill (assuming it ever happens), and the Feds pick up the bill?

It wouldn't surprise me all that much

like many of his "accomplishments" it won't happen.  the gas tax increase will pay for it.

No, he is a right winger. They don't want to spend public money on infrastructure. Trump's plan is to give tax credits to incentivize private interests to build and maintain roads, highways, and bridges. Meaning Section 6 would be a for-profit toll highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 06, 2017, 09:48:07 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.

They have money budgeted to start on Section 6 since the gas tax increase passed. (http://www.in.gov/indot/div/nextlevel/)

They at least claim they have the money over a 20-year plan to finish the whole thing (although they might do another P3).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on September 06, 2017, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: thefro on September 06, 2017, 09:48:07 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.

They have money budgeted to start on Section 6 since the gas tax increase passed. (http://www.in.gov/indot/div/nextlevel/)

They at least claim they have the money over a 20-year plan to finish the whole thing (although they might do another P3).

I recently attended in-house training, and one of the deputy commissioners in attendance confirmed that, at minimum, INDOT has the money allocated to prioritize construction of the first 1/3rd or so length of Section 6 to get I-69 (estimated at approximately $500 mil) through and past Martinsville.  This will eliminate a good amount of the traffic lights before getting into Marion county.  This construction is due to start shortly after the ROD is final.  The deputy commissioner also stated that INDOT is pushing real hard to complete Section 5 by the August 2018 date.  Based on what I've recently observed on-site, I'm beginning to feel confident that this date is attainable.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on September 06, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
The running joke is that, this time, Indiana is not being pushed by a governor to complete Section 6 so that he can take a motorcycle cruise on ribbon cutting day before he leaves office!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 06, 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.

The State of Indiana is well positioned to fully fund Section 6. The 10¢ increase in the gas tax, which went into effect in July, as well as modestly boosted vehicle registration fees, are expected to bring in an additional $6.4 billion over seven years. Now, of course, not all that money will be used for roads and bridges, but a substantial portion will be.

The cost to build Section 6 is currently estimated at $1.5 billion. The project is expected to take six years to complete, so that averages out to $250 million per year. That's reasonable.

https://www.multistate.us/blog/indiana-passes-10-cents-per-gallon-gas-tax-increase
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 06, 2017, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 06, 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 05, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
The state doesn't have anywhere near the $ to fully finish Section 6, which will cost billions of $. If they can finish the highway to SR 144 at least that would be fine for now. The portion through Johnson and Marion Counties will be very expensive due to land acquisition costs and the complex interchange that has to be built at I-465.

The State of Indiana is well positioned to fully fund Section 6. The 10¢ increase in the gas tax, which went into effect in July, as well as modestly boosted vehicle registration fees, are expected to bring in an additional $6.4 billion over seven years. Now, of course, not all that money will be used for roads and bridges, but a substantial portion will be.

The cost to build Section 6 is currently estimated at $1.5 billion. The project is expected to take six years to complete, so that averages out to $250 million per year. That's reasonable.

https://www.multistate.us/blog/indiana-passes-10-cents-per-gallon-gas-tax-increase

Well that's good to hear. Now that the state has the $ hopefully they don't do another disastrous P3 and instead manage the project themselves.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: captkirk_4 on September 10, 2017, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on September 02, 2017, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on September 01, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 22, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
I heard US 41 was a mess over the ohio due to the eclipse traffic.

Name any road going north from the eclipse zone and you will hear of the traffic.

Visit some of the other state threads where the eclipse went full and you will hear the same thing.

Illinois threads say it was bumper to bumper all the way up all the major routes, US-51, US-45, IL-1, I-57, IL-3.

I am guessing I-69 had a healthy traffic load just after.

Driving back from St Louis that night, I lost 1 hour just going through Effingham, IL. I-70 was fine, but I-57 was bumper to bumper.

I went to the eclipse and watched it just a few miles south of Carbondale. I left a couple minutes after and it took 6 hours just to get up to Interstate 64.

Is this stretch of Indiana 37 being converted into Interstate 69 the same stretch of Highway where they filmed that scene in Breaking Away where the kid who was pretending to be Italian was racing that semi-truck on his bicycle?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2017, 02:34:50 PM

A few more photos. Pictures were taken Friday, September 8, 2017, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, right click then select "view photo." Use the arrow keys to navigate.

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Looking north from near the overpass that carries Fullerton Pike over State Road 37 (future I-69) in Monroe County, Indiana. The Tapp Road work zone is in the mid-background. The lights there, which are set to constant green for SR 37 traffic, will be removed soon. The overpass beyond Tapp carries SR 45/Bloomfield Road. In the deep background is the railroad bridge (blue) and the overpass for SR 48/Third Street.

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Another perspective looking north from near the Fullerton Pike overpass toward the work zone at Tapp Road.

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As evening approaches, the work day wraps for a paving crew on State Road 37 near Fullerton Pike; looking south from the Fullerton Pike overpass.

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The view looking slightly southwest from the Fullerton Pike overpass.

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The decorative railing and light fixtures on the Fullerton Pike overpass; looking east.

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The eastern roundabout of the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 interchange; looking east. In the background, a sliver of Rhorer Road can be seen. Plans are to directly connect Fullerton Pike to Rhorer to create an east-west arterial on the south side of Bloomington.

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Traffic is now able to fully access Fullerton Pike west of the western roundabout (pictured) of the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 interchange; looking west.

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Another view looking north from Fullerton Pike/SR 37 interchange.

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Long range view looking south toward SR 37 from near Tapp Road.

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Work is ongoing to build up the ground for the northbound I-69 exit and entrance ramps at Tapp Road; looking southeast.

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Closer look at the work zone just south of Tapp Road; looking south. On the right is the exit ramp to Fullerton Pike.

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And one last look at the crew calling it day near the Fullerton Pike overpass; looking southeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2017, 03:23:43 PM

Quote from: captkirk_4 on September 10, 2017, 01:49:27 PM
Is this stretch of Indiana 37 being converted into Interstate 69 the same stretch of Highway where they filmed that scene in Breaking Away where the kid who was pretending to be Italian was racing that semi-truck on his bicycle?

Yes, it appears to be. The scene takes place on 4-lane divided highway. There was only one such road in the Bloomington area at that time–State Road 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 10, 2017, 04:11:03 PM
It looks like there is room for five lanes of freeway south of Fullerton Pike. Two each for I-69 and SR 37 when they split plus a lane from the Fullerton Pike ramp? Or maybe there is just a large shoulder planned.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DJStephens on September 11, 2017, 08:29:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 10, 2017, 03:23:43 PM

Quote from: captkirk_4 on September 10, 2017, 01:49:27 PM
Is this stretch of Indiana 37 being converted into Interstate 69 the same stretch of Highway where they filmed that scene in Breaking Away where the kid who was pretending to be Italian was racing that semi-truck on his bicycle?

Yes, it appears to be. The scene takes place on 4-lane divided highway. There was only one such road in the Bloomington area at that time–State Road 37.

"Breaking Away" was released in theaters in either 1979 or 80.  The actors in the movie drove a 70-72 Buick Skylark in the movie, already ratty due to the severe winters.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DJStephens on September 12, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 10, 2017, 04:11:03 PM
It looks like there is room for five lanes of freeway south of Fullerton Pike. Two each for I-69 and SR 37 when they split plus a lane from the Fullerton Pike ramp? Or maybe there is just a large shoulder planned.

Appears to be an intent for eventual eight lane cross - section with the required full width left shoulder.   Very good design here, building it right the first time, in a suburban/urban environment for additional capacity in the future should it be necessary.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 12, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
It should probably be mentioned here that I believe INDOT's original intent was to six lane only the section of SR 37 between SR 48 and SR 45 with the mention that six-laning the highway around Bloomington wasn't necessary for a while. Which is why I was surprised when the original PP3 group said they were going to six lane the highway all the way up to Sample Road. And it is indeed a good design since I see Bloomington as the one major city outside of Metropolitan Indianapolis to continue to grow for the foreseeable future.

As for Breaking Away, I'm 99% sure that was between Liberty Church Road and Sample Road along 37. I've always wondered where the two-lane road bike race segments take place though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 13, 2017, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 12, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
It should probably be mentioned here that I believe INDOT's original intent was to six lane only the section of SR 37 between SR 48 and SR 45 with the mention that six-laning the highway around Bloomington wasn't necessary for a while. Which is why I was surprised when the original PP3 group said they were going to six lane the highway all the way up to Sample Road. And it is indeed a good design since I see Bloomington as the one major city outside of Metropolitan Indianapolis to continue to grow for the foreseeable future.

As for Breaking Away, I'm 99% sure that was between Liberty Church Road and Sample Road along 37. I've always wondered where the two-lane road bike race segments take place though.

Lafayette is growing at a healthy clip as well. Bloomington had double digit growth for several decades but that has leveled off a bit. It is on pace for 8-9% growth from 2010-2020. Perhaps the interstate will attract more people. Time will tell. IU's enrollment keeps growing and was at nearly 50k last fall, good for tenth in the nation.

It is smart that the state planned ahead and six-laned the highway through Bloomington. Get it out of the way now instead of comng back to it and disrupting traffic in a decade.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 13, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
Maps of the refined preferred alternative are now up for Section 6
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

Construction scheduled to start in 2020

http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-representatives-bring-latest-draft-i69-plan-public-127380/
http://www.heraldbulletin.com/news/final-i--leg-to-start-construction-in/article_343d9018-9896-11e7-8a34-73ec143c3e25.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 13, 2017, 06:11:33 PM
looks good, it's nice to see them widening 465 between man and 31.  don't like that tight diamond at southport road
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 13, 2017, 06:41:32 PM
I am glad to see the gas station at SR 144 will remain because the interstate upgrade will destroy the gas stations on Ohio Street in Martinsville and Southport Road in Indy. I can't tell if the one along County Line Road will be demolished as well.

It is important to have more than one gas station between Indy and Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 13, 2017, 06:57:53 PM
I must have had my facts mixed up.  I thought that I had read that I-69 was actually going to go around Martinsville further to the east than the current IN 37 roadway so that there would not have been as much of a mess at the current intersections.  I'm fairly impressed with what they have put out here as well as the I-465 intersection.  Even though it is farther, part of me wishes that they signed I-69 on the west and north loop to even out some of the traffic.  There always seems to be a lot between I-69 and I-65 South.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 13, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 13, 2017, 06:57:53 PM
I must have had my facts mixed up.  I thought that I had read that I-69 was actually going to go around Martinsville further to the east than the current IN 37 roadway so that there would not have been as much of a mess at the current intersections.  I'm fairly impressed with what they have put out here as well as the I-465 intersection.  Even though it is farther, part of me wishes that they signed I-69 on the west and north loop to even out some of the traffic.  There always seems to be a lot between I-69 and I-65 South.

Do you really want to send I-69 traffic to that awful interchange between 465 and 865?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 13, 2017, 07:13:28 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 13, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 13, 2017, 06:57:53 PM
I must have had my facts mixed up.  I thought that I had read that I-69 was actually going to go around Martinsville further to the east than the current IN 37 roadway so that there would not have been as much of a mess at the current intersections.  I'm fairly impressed with what they have put out here as well as the I-465 intersection.  Even though it is farther, part of me wishes that they signed I-69 on the west and north loop to even out some of the traffic.  There always seems to be a lot between I-69 and I-65 South.

Do you really want to send I-69 traffic to that awful interchange between 465 and 865?
Forgot about that intersection.  You have a good point, although they really need to redo that intersection anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 13, 2017, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 13, 2017, 06:41:32 PM
I am glad to see the gas station at SR 144 will remain because the interstate upgrade will destroy the gas stations on Ohio Street in Martinsville and Southport Road in Indy. I can't tell if the one at County Line Road will be demolished as well.

It is important to have more than one gas station between Indy and Bloomington.

I keep seeing some open land in the northeast quadrant around SR 37 and Southport and the last time I was there the land was vacant. I think this would be a good spot to relocate all the businesses that would be demolished to build the Southport Road interchange, gas station included. Do something like what they ended up doing with US 31 and SR 32 in Westfield, tearing down the businesses and rebuilding them just down the road from the new exit. I figure Martinsville will do some work like this too, moving a few businesses to the west of Burton Lane over to SR 39 and up and around the SR 44/252 interchange.

As for the tight diamond interchange for Southport, that's probably the best way to go there anyway, especially since very few people will have to be moved. I'm okay with Steak n Shake having to move as opposed to families being forced to find new housing. Good choice on that one. I've heard the number of relocations has dropped considerably with these refinements.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 13, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
I feel bad for the businesses located along the Fairview Road/SR 37 intersection. They are pretty SOL.

I wonder if INDOT considered using the same interchange design as the one built at 106th Street and I-69 in Fishers. It required very little ROW.

There is a gas station north of the Ohio Street/I-69 interchange, an additional one at SR 144, and upon further review the one at County Line Road isn't going to be demolished, so there are four between Bloomington and Indy. Not enough but a good start.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 14, 2017, 08:02:30 AM
there's no way new gas stations dont pop up after construction.  even if they remove the ones there now, more will pop up in the area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 14, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
There have been some noteworthy changes to Section 6 with the release of the Refined Preferred Alternative as of September 12:

- The road will be slightly smaller as the number of lanes has been pared back between SR 144 and Smith Valley Road and between Southport Road and I-465.
- The interchange at Smith Valley will now feature a Dogbone roundabout design, replacing a diamond configuration.
- At SR 144 the interchange will be a partial folded diamond instead of a diamond.
- The overpass at Stones Crossing Road has been eliminated.
- The I-69/I-465 interchange has been shifted slightly west and compacted design wise to avoid the quarries.
- In Martinsville, a new road–Artesian Avenue–will be created to connect Grand Valley Boulevard to Mahalasville Road east of I-69.

These are some of the changes that I noticed comparing the Refined Preferred Alternative (September 12, 2017) to the Preferred Alternative (March 17, 2017). There are likely other changes, some minor, perhaps some not, that I may have overlooked.

Here's a selection of screen shots of Section 6 maps, old and new:

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NEW Refined Preferred Alternative (Sept 12) SR144 and Stones Crossing Road. Note the lane reduction compared to the Preferred Alternative.

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OLD Preferred Alternative (March 17) SR144 and Stones Crossing Road


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NEW Refined Preferred Alternative (Sept 12) I-69/I-465 interchange. The exit ramp to I-69 south from I-465 west now appears to begin at or slightly before the SR 37-Harding Street/I-465 interchange, featuring bridges that cross over SR 37/Harding Street and the corresponding west bound entrance ramp to I-465. Note, as well, the lane reduction.

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OLD Preferred Alternative )March 17) I-69/I-465 interchange.


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NEW Refined Preferred Alternative (Sept 12) Smith Valley Road interchange, with dogbone roundabout design. Also, a traffic circle will be constructed at Mullinix Road, in lieu of the earlier proposal that featured an intersection and traffic light.

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OLD Preferred Alternative (March 17) Smith Valley Road interchange.


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NEW Refined Preferred Alternative (Sept 12) Martinsville, IN–Ohio Street interchange and new connector road, Artesian Avenue. The proposed northbound Auxiliary Lane has been eliminated as well.

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OLD Preferred Alternative (March 17) Martinsville, IN–Ohio Street interchange area


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NEW Refined Preferred Alternative (Sept 12) Southport Road interchange. Instead of 4 through lanes north of Southport, there is now an Auxiliary Lane up to the SR 37/Harding Street exit.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4437/37036927536_175db7bbb7_b.jpg)
OLD Preferred Alternative (March 17) The two options for the Southport Road interchange. Alternative C4B was selected, sparing the large apartment complex, but dislocating several businesses.

Edit: Grammar corrections, minor explanatory additions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 14, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
I hate the cost cutting measures. The interstate should be six lanes minimum from SR 144 to I-465 and the overpass at Stones Crossing should not have been eliminated.

Cutting corners now just leads to bigger costs in the future. For example, the state scaled back the 465/70 and 465/SR 67 interchange reconfigurations on the SW side and that area is still messed up.

Finally, the state absolutely must widen I-465 from the I-70 interchange on the east side to the new I-69 interchange on the south side to four lanes in each direction. Three lanes is not sufficient to carry a beltway and two interstates.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 15, 2017, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 14, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
I hate the cost cutting measures. The interstate should be six lanes minimum from SR 144 to I-465 and the overpass at Stones Crossing should not have been eliminated. A big area of concern local officials had about this section was the reduction in east-west access.

Cutting corners now just leads to bigger costs in the future. For example, the state scaled back the 465/70 and 465/SR 67 interchange reconfigurations on the SW side and that area is still messed up.

Finally, the state absolutely must widen I-465 from the I-70 interchange on the east side to the new I-69 interchange on the south side to four lanes in each direction. Three lanes is not sufficient to carry a beltway and two interstates.
I couldn't agree with you more! Since I-95 was rerouted on the east side of the Capital Beltway, that half had tremendous pressure put on it, especially in the Wilson Bridge and Springfield Interchange areas, since local and long-distance traffic were now using it, but thankfully those two situations were corrected. Sure, they may have originally been built with the assumption that I-95 would proceed straight through Washington instead of ending in the middle of it, but a backup plan would've been nice for the event that the extension would be cancelled (which was 40 years ago).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on September 15, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
Just a hypothetical thought; could I-65 and I-70 be used to carry I-69 through Indy, then thread I-69 along I-465 from I-65 south to where I-69 would meet I-465 on the south side? Just pondering...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 15, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 14, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
I hate the cost cutting measures. The interstate should be six lanes minimum from SR 144 to I-465 and the overpass at Stones Crossing should not have been eliminated.

Cutting corners now just leads to bigger costs in the future. For example, the state scaled back the 465/70 and 465/SR 67 interchange reconfigurations on the SW side and that area is still messed up.

Finally, the state absolutely must widen I-465 from the I-70 interchange on the east side to the new I-69 interchange on the south side to four lanes in each direction. Three lanes is not sufficient to carry a beltway and two interstates.

As long as they leave room to add the lanes in later it should be fine.  The White River limits Southport/Greenwood from sprawling onto the other side of SR 37/future I-69.  Mooresville will still use SR 67.  Can't see there being huge additional traffic until I-69 is completed down to Texas or Bloomington really blows up in size.

Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on September 15, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
Just a hypothetical thought; could I-65 and I-70 be used to carry I-69 through Indy, then thread I-69 along I-465 from I-65 south to where I-69 would meet I-465 on the south side? Just pondering...

That wouldn't be the best solution due to all the exits you'd have to make to stay on I-69.  Also they should keep another Interstate off of the I-65/I-70 section where they are both merged for a short stretch.  I-465 moves pretty smoothly outside of the NE to N sides from just S of I-69 to US 31.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on September 15, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2017, 10:11:23 AM
I-95 was rerouted on the east side of the Capital Beltway, that half had tremendous pressure put on it, especially in the Wilson Bridge and Springfield Interchange areas, since local and long-distance traffic were now using it, but thankfully those two situations were corrected. Sure, they may have originally been built with the assumption that I-95 would proceed straight through Washington instead of ending in the middle of it, but a backup plan would've been nice for the event that the extension would be cancelled (which was 40 years ago).

I-95 was signed onto the eastern half of the Beltway in 1977.  I'm not sure how much of a difference that made in traffic volumes, as the eastern half of the Beltway was already serving as the de facto I-95 Washington bypass since was completed in 1964.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 16, 2017, 10:24:40 AM
When they finish the NE interchange with 69, it should be ok. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on September 19, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
A little out of no where, but I always thought INDOT would have I-69 tie in onto I-70 between SR 39 and SR 267 so that it would run by the international airport. It still somewhat surprises me that that wasn't what they decided to do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 19, 2017, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: US 41 on September 19, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
A little out of no where, but I always thought INDOT would have I-69 tie in onto I-70 between SR 39 and SR 267 so that it would run by the international airport. It still somewhat surprises me that that wasn't what they decided to do.
That had been an option, but there would have been a lot of new terrain road in that, rather than following the IN 37 footprint.  The highway would have had to more likely swing west of Martinsville onto IN 67, and then go around the subdivisions surrounding Mooresville to get to I-70.  The problem with either going west around Martinsville, or staying on 37 and then looping around on the north of Martinsville would have meant  also going through the White River bottoms and having to raise up the roadway.  More and more money.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 19, 2017, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: US 41 on September 19, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
A little out of no where, but I always thought INDOT would have I-69 tie in onto I-70 between SR 39 and SR 267 so that it would run by the international airport. It still somewhat surprises me that that wasn't what they decided to do.

That would have been a bad idea. A big reason for building I-69 was to create a safer and faster route between Bloomington and Indianapolis. Moving the road to the west would not have accomplished that objective.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 19, 2017, 07:26:17 PM
Speaking of I-69. I've noticed my Maps application on my iPhone now has all of Section 5 marked as completed interstate, while Google Maps doesn't even have the Fullerton Pike exit marked. Also, I've seen at least a couple, if not all, of the local TV stations now have the interstate marked across Monroe County and up to Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 19, 2017, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 19, 2017, 07:26:17 PM
Speaking of I-69. I've noticed my Maps application on my iPhone now has all of Section 5 marked as completed interstate, while Google Maps doesn't even have the Fullerton Pike exit marked. Also, I've seen at least a couple, if not all, of the local TV stations now have the interstate marked across Monroe County and up to Martinsville.

All of which are dangerous and provide misleading information to drivers. I suppose we can contact the local TV stations and tell them to update their maps but the map apps are a different story. I have sent feedback to Google but nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 22, 2017, 10:14:30 AM
I read where INDOT is moving to an aggressive seven days per week construction schedule which will cause new lane restrictions on SR 37 through December 1st. It is going to mess with traffic going to Bloomington on Saturdays for football. It is clear the state wants to get this project done ASAP.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 23, 2017, 09:32:13 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 22, 2017, 10:14:30 AM
I read where INDOT is moving to an aggressive seven days per week construction schedule which will cause new lane restrictions on SR 37 through December 1st. It is going to mess with traffic going to Bloomington on Saturdays for football. It is clear the state wants to get this project done ASAP.

they announced yesterday to seek alternate routes to bloomington for football.  Idk what alternate route is better than this construction zone, if i were going to bloomington, i'd stick with 37.  46 and 135 aren't fun drives if you're just trying to get to bloomington fast.  they're great for scenic fun though!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on September 23, 2017, 01:09:46 PM
Here's what IU football is officially suggesting. Definitely no direct routes. http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2017/9/21/alternate-routes3.aspx
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on September 23, 2017, 01:09:46 PM
Here's what IU football is officially suggesting. Definitely no direct routes. http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2017/9/21/alternate-routes3.aspx

If I were going from Indy, I'd take 135 and 45.  At least it's scenic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 24, 2017, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 23, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on September 23, 2017, 01:09:46 PM
Here's what IU football is officially suggesting. Definitely no direct routes. http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2017/9/21/alternate-routes3.aspx

If I were going from Indy, I'd take 135 and 45.  At least it's scenic.

i think 135 is closed in 2 places south of morgantown, i think it's for 2 culvert replacements
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2017, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 24, 2017, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 23, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on September 23, 2017, 01:09:46 PM
Here's what IU football is officially suggesting. Definitely no direct routes. http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2017/9/21/alternate-routes3.aspx

If I were going from Indy, I'd take 135 and 45.  At least it's scenic.

i think 135 is closed in 2 places south of morgantown, i think it's for 2 culvert replacements

Bad timing to do that during 69 construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 24, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
Bad timing also due to Brown County's popularity in the fall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 24, 2017, 08:23:17 PM
Drove 37 from 39 to SR 46. Turns out I-69 is signed heading southbound at the interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 24, 2017, 11:09:08 PM

Here's another batch. Pictures were taken Sunday, September 24, 2017, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from near the future overpass that will carry Sample Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Monroe County, Indiana. In this vicinity, about 2 miles of new interstate roadway are under construction (pictured) for the southbound lanes of I-69. As the project moves forward, the current northbound lanes of State Rod 37 will be converted to a two-lane, bi-directional local access road, with the current southbound lanes of SR 37 becoming the northbound lanes of I-69.

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Looking southeast from near the Sample Road overpass. On the left is the roadway for the new southbound lanes of I-69. It is in this area that the new stretch of roadway will be blended into the old southbound lanes of SR 37. The fresh pavement on the right is the new local access road which veers off from the western traffic roundabout of the I-69/Sample Road interchange.

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The overpass that will carry Sample Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69); looking northeast. Currently, only half of the overpass is under construction at this time. The other half will commence when the northbound lanes of SR 37 are closed and traffic switched to the present southbound lanes of SR 37.

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A slightly different view of the Sample Road overpass; looking northeast. The road in the background is Sample Road east of SR 37.

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Another perspective of the local access road that juts off from the western roundabout at the I-69/Sample Road interchange; looking southeast.

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The western roundabout of the future I-69/Sample Road interchange; looking north. On the left is the exit ramp from I-69 southbound, while, adjacent, is the entrance ramp which swings around to go under the overpass before merging with the southbound lanes.

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Another view looking southeast from near the Sample Road overpass. In the foreground are braces to form the falsework for the overpass as construction moves forward.

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Lined up and ready to rumble come Monday morning; looking east from near the Sample Road overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 25, 2017, 12:29:50 AM

A few more. Photos were taken Sunday, September 24, 2017, unless otherwise noted. To expand the pictures, just "Right Click" and select "View Image." Use the arrow keys to navigate.

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The scene looking north from near the intersection of State Road 37 and Simpson Chapel Road in Monroe County, Indiana. Simpson Chapel Road is about 1 mile north of Sample Road on SR 37. The new roadway for the southbound lanes of I-69 is on the right, while the new local bi-directional access road is just to the left.

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Closer look of the view north from Simpson Chapel Road.

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Looking south toward SR 37 and the new southbound lanes of I-69 from near Simpson Chapel Road. The future overpass that will carry Sample Road over I-69 is in the background.

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Another perspective looking south toward the future Sample Road overpass.

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Ground level view of the new roadway for southbound I-69 from Simpson Chapel Road; looking north.

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A mid-distance view looking north from near Simpson Chapel Road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on September 25, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
If you really want to take the back way to Bloomington. There is a way that cuts off most of the worst curves and bypasses the construction.

Take 135 south to Samaria IN. Just past there you will find 500W (Locally known as Spearsville Road). This will become beanblossom road.
Take this south to Gatesvillle Road. Head west and it will become IN route 45.

Now if you want to bypass a boatload of annoying curves on IN 45, Turn off on South Shore Drive and take it to Tunnel road and reconnect with IN 45.

I can guarantee you will have ZERO traffic with 135 closed using this route.

You might see some neat trains using South Shore drive, plus a pretty AWESOME railroad trestle.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 25, 2017, 03:44:17 PM

Last Thursday, September 21, 2017, the Herald-Times of Bloomington and South-Central Indiana published an article updating the current status of Section 5. In the sense of fair use, I'll post some of the article, then summarize other points:

QuoteINDOT: I-69 Section 5 on target to meet completion date

The Indiana Department of Transportation is still targeting Aug. 31, 2018, as the date of substantial completion for the Interstate 69 Section 5 project, but there is a caveat.

"We don't control the weather," said Travis Underhill, deputy commissioner for INDOT.

What INDOT does control is management of the project, and since taking that over from I-69 Development Partners in early August, the state agency feels work is progressing at a much faster pace than it was under the private development company.

Two of the project's three main contractors – Force Construction and Crider & Crider – are working day and night.

...

With the help of private consultant Walsh Construction, INDOT was able to verify about 50 percent of construction and 90 percent of design work was completed.

To reach substantial completion in about a year, INDOT had to reorganize all the different entities working on the massive interstate project. Section 5 will upgrade 21 miles of Ind. 37 from Rockport Road in Monroe County to the Indian Creek bridge in Morgan County.

"The last two months have been a constant effort to make sure the right contractor is doing the right work in the right order," Underhill said.

For instance, some work on a concrete barrier wall was assigned to the earthwork contractor when it should have been assigned to the bridge contractor, he said. In other cases, work that needed to be done just wasn't assigned to anyone.

In addition to ensuring the project is finished by next August, INDOT is also working to reduce disruptions to drivers and the city of Bloomington. Under the private developer, crews would start working on a piece of the project, such as the Fullerton Pike interchange, and stop to take care of something else. Underhill said INDOT is committed to finishing what it starts before moving on.


The key point is that INDOT is holding firm its August 31, 2018 deadline to reach substantial completion of Section 5. Other points mentioned include:

- work on the mainline bridges crossing Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek and Beanblossom Overflow is expected to complete in November
- work on the 3rd Street bridge expansion also is anticipated to complete in November
- at Tapp Road, the new interchange is scheduled to be finished in either May or June 2018
- the interchange at Liberty Church Road in Morgan County will complete sometime in the spring of 2018
- the interchange at Sample Road is expected to be finished in either June or July 2018
- INDOT does not want to extend the substantial completion date again
- during major events, such as football games, work schedules will be adjusted to help ease the expected additional traffic
- to avoid confusion a 45 mph speed limit has now been posted, and is in effect, throughout the entire 21 mile work zone
- INDOT wishes to emphasize the current schedule is not set in stone and may change due to weather and other factors

Link to article (behind a paywall): https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/indot-i--section-on-target-to-meet-completion-date/article_3ca18a67-0e4d-53da-9881-4370ec23ce8e.html


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 25, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
geeze, this project was all kinds of fucked up until indot took over.  i can't believe the design work wasnt even finished!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 26, 2017, 10:51:18 AM
2018 is so ambitious, I wouldn't be surprised if they missed it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on September 27, 2017, 12:21:49 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 25, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
geeze, this project was all kinds of fucked up until indot took over.  i can't believe the design work wasnt even finished!

Not uncommon under a design-build contract to start construction and be designing ahead of the work in stages. Heck, it's not uncommon to be doing a little design (or rather, re-design work) during construction on a traditional design-bid-build contract. I have a project right now where we had to re-design the bracing for a major river bridge because the steel fabricator drilled some holes in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 28, 2017, 01:14:20 PM

I had reason to be on the west side of Bloomington, so I took the camera to snap a few. I'm trying to get out and about more frequently because this project is progressing rapidly. Before we know it, it's going to be done. Photos were taken Wednesday, September 27, 2017, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking southeast toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from near the Tapp Road/SR 37 intersection in Bloomington, Indiana. The dirt pathway outlines the I-69 southbound exit ramp to Tapp Road. Work continues with loose lift, the process to build up the ground. Take note of the raised ground east of SR 37 (left), which is nearing completion, for the northbound exit and entrance ramps to Tapp.

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Crews are beginning to excavate soil west of SR 37 in preparation for the placement of new material, mainly rock, as the process to build up the ground for the Tapp Road interchange moves forward; looking south.

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GPS positioning apparatus near the Tapp Road/SR 37 construction zone; looking southeast.

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Another perspective of the work underway at the Tapp Road and SR 37; looking southeast.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from the 2nd Street/State Road 45 overpass in Bloomington, Indiana. The Tapp Road construction zone is just over the slight rise of SR 37 in the background; note how the median barrier wall ends and then takes up again. This is now the only gap in the median wall between the I-69/SR 37 interchange and the overpass that carries Arlington Road over SR 37, a little north of the SR 37/SR 46 interchange.

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Another vantage point looking south from the 2nd Street/State Road 45 overpass.

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The rehabbed bridge that carries 2nd Street/SR 45 over SR 37, with new sidewalks and decorative railings; looking east.

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Looking south from the overpass that carries 3rd Street over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Bloomington, Indiana. The blue bridge carries an Indiana Rail Road line. Beyond that is the overpass that carries 2nd Street/State Road 45.

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Another view looking south from the 3rd Street overpass.

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And one more from near the 3rds Street overpass; looking south. Note the new sound wall on the left.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 28, 2017, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 26, 2017, 10:51:18 AM
2018 is so ambitious, I wouldn't be surprised if they missed it.

Hard to believe the original firm said it'd be "substantially complete" in 2016.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 01, 2017, 10:49:52 PM
A few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, October 1, 2017, unless otherwise noted.

To expand the photos, just Right Click and select "View Image." Use the arrow keys to navigate.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. Note the new already-striped local access road in the left background.

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A mid-range perspective from the Kinser Pike overpass; looking north. Evident are the three mainline bridges that cross, respectfully, Griffy Creek (nearest), Beanblossom Creek, and Beanblossom Overflow. Bridge expansion and rehab work on the trio is on the verge of wrapping up.

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Slightly different view looking north from Kinser Pike.

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Closer look at the bridges that cross Griffy Creek and Beanblossom Creek as well as the overpass that carries southbound SR 37 traffic to N. Walnut Street/Business 37.

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The bridge that will carry the outside shoulder and a southbound lane of Interstate 69 over Griffy Creek; looking north.

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Another view looking north from near the Griffy Creek mainline bridges.

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And one more perspective of the newly rebuilt southbound span that crosses over Griffy Creek.

Edit: Replaced a photo that was wasn't expanding with one that is. Some additional descriptive info.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 02, 2017, 07:38:58 AM
SR 135 wont be open until november.  I looks like they could have more of this open soon!  (Referring to the pictures posted above.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 17, 2017, 11:08:37 AM
I missed this earlier, but it was reported in September that the estimate on I-69 Section 6 from INDOT was that it would start construction in 2020 and take 7 years to complete

http://fox59.com/2017/09/13/fewer-residents-to-be-impacted-after-changes-made-to-i-69-construction-between-martinsville-indy/

And here's the slides from the September Presentation
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2017%20FEIS%20Project%20Update%20Meeting%209.12.17.pdf

Corridor completion expected in 2027
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on October 17, 2017, 01:55:25 PM
I grew up in Indiana hearing about this project, and I remember when the whole stretch was supposed to cost $1.5 billion. That also used to seem like a lot of money to me, but not anymore.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 17, 2017, 02:15:12 PM
They should put an interchange at whiteland road it gets an exit with 65, and connects several highways
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 17, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
I-69 to County Road 144 to Whiteland Road seems to be a good enough alternative. It's a higher quality road from Whiteland Road and the time difference won't be much. There's no way they are building an exit a mile or so south of SR/CR 144 anyway.

As for the expected construction period for Section 6, which I think is supposed to start in 2020, seven years seems a lot more realistic in terms of time of construction. I always thought that the two years they estimated to do all of Section 5, 2015 to 2016 was way too unrealistic. Though there were a lot of problems with the execution, doing the project in a four year time frame just seems more plausible considering they are rebuilding a heavily used corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 23, 2017, 11:40:39 PM

Here's a few pictures of the Sample Road work zone. Photos were taken October 21, unless otherwise noted.

To expand the photos, Right Click and select View Image. Use the arrow keys to navigate.

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The future Interstate 69/Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north. In the vicinity where the new southbound lanes of I-69 will connect to State Road 37 (left), crews are now applying and grading base material, one of the final steps before paving.

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Heavy traffic on State Road 37 navigates the work zone at Sample Road; looking north. The posted speed limit is 45 mph throughout Section 5, but many drivers appear to be paying little heed.

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Closer look at the partially built overpass that will carry Sample Road over future I-69. In the not too distant future, southbound SR 37 traffic will be shifted to the newly built roadway. Northbound SR 37 traffic will then be moved to the current southbound lanes, and northbound SR 37 just prior to Sample Road will be closed. When that transpires, construction on the other half of the overpass will commence. It's also possible that single lane, side-by-side traffic will be run on the current southbound lanes of SR 37 at Sample Road for a period. No matter which step is taken, the current northbound lanes of SR 37 must be sealed off at Sample Road before construction of the full overpass can move forward.

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The eastern roundabout of the Interstate 69/Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking slightly northwest. The road jutting off in the background goes up to and intersects with the current northbound lanes of SR 37.

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Another vantage point of the overpass that will carry Sample Road over future I-69; looking northwest. The raised dark earth is the center is the future I-69 exit ramp to Sample Road.

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Long-range view of the work zone at Sample Road; looking north.

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Slightly different perspective.

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Another perspective of the eastern roundabout at Sample Road; looking north. Sample Road veers off to the right; the local access road that will eventually intersect with Chambers Pike–about two miles to the north–is straight ahead.

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Sharing the road in the truest sense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 30, 2017, 09:52:50 PM
Google Maps was finally updated to include the interchange with Fullerton Pike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 05, 2017, 09:32:57 PM
To update the status of Section 5, INDOT released an ahead-of-winter construction notice October 25th. Announced were lane shifts on SR 37 at Tapp Road and between 3rd Street and the SR 45/46 interchange. The SR 37/Chambers Pike crossing north of Sample Road has been closed in preparation of the construction of the Chambers Pike overpass. Sparks Road, just to the north, and which will be used by Chambers Pike traffic, was scheduled to striped and open for traffic by November 1. The overpass at Chambers Pike is the next to last bridge structure in Section 5 to commence construction. The other is at Tapp Road where a lot of work has taken place for the interchange, but construction of the overpass itself is not yet underway.

Source: http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Work ramping up on I-69 section 5 FINAL 10-25-17.pdf

INDOT also released a traffic update on October 30th. The notice addressed a southbound lane shift in the vicinity of Sample Road. According to the release, at about 10pm on October 31, southbound SR 37 traffic in the vicinity of Sample Road was to be to shifted to the newly built southbound mainline. At this time, only a single southbound lane will be utilized on the new roadway. The lane shift was to be implemented just south of Chambers Pike and continued past Sample Road, where the new roadway would merge again with the old southbound lanes of SR 37. The lane shift is necessary to work on the shoulders of the current southbound lanes of SR 37, both inside and out, between Sample Road and Chambers Pike. And, as many of you already know, but for those who don't, in the area of Sample Road and to the north for about a mile, the old southbound lanes of SR 37 will eventually become the new northbound lanes of Interstate 69, with the current northbound lanes of SR 37 transitioned to a local access road.

Source: http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Lane shift on Mainline SR 37 - 10-30-17.pdf

All in all, good news, as winter approaches. It appears construction of the median bent at both Tapp Road and Chambers Pike will be ongoing in coming months. So much has changed in road construction in recent years. It used to be with the onset of winter virtually all construction ceased. Not anymore. Concrete work can now be performed almost year round using curing accelerants, insulating blankets, and heaters. Warm-mix asphalt instead of hot-mix is often used as the cooler weather sets in, extending the paving season as well.

I took a few photos the last week of October and have been remiss in not posting them. The pictures were taken October 26th.

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Looking north toward SR 37 from the Arlington Road overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. From this point north to Sample Road, a median cable barrier will be installed in lieu of the concrete barrier that was built throughout the city of Bloomington to the south. I've heard that motorcyclists dread cable barriers because of the potential for severed limbs if an incident occurs. As I-69 in this area will be three lanes in each direction, the roadway should be relatively safe with the cable barrier, even for motorcyclists who will have the option of solely using the right lane, keeping as far away from the barrier as possible. Let's hope the road becomes known as being more safe than not. Around the curve in the background is the Kinser Pike overpass. Some of the photos I posted earlier show the roadway looking north from that point toward the Mobil/Circle K mart near Sample Road. The distance between Arlington Road and Sample Road is just a tad short of 5 1/2 miles, so it's a pretty good chunk of Section 5, about 25%.

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Another perspective looking north from the Arlington Road overpass. Note the new shiny guardrails.

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Looking south from the Arlington Road overpass toward SR 37 and the SR 37/SR 46 interchange. Could have been a better pic, but the light coming from the south was giving me trouble. I knew some of you would want to see that I-69 shield on the BGS, so I snapped away.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 17, 2017, 01:27:54 AM

Here's few recent pictures of the State Road 37/Tapp Road construction zone. Darkness was quickly falling, so some have decent light and some do not. Photos were taken November 17, 2017. To expand the pictures, Right Click and select View Image. Use the arrow keys to navigate.

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Looking southeast toward the former SR 37/Tapp Road intersection in Monroe County, Indiana. The traffic signals have been taken down, and construction has commenced on the overpass that will carry Tapp Road over future I-69. The blue rig is drilling shafts into bedrock for the piers of the overpass.

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Closer look at the work underway at Tapp. It appears subbase material has been applied to the interchange's eastern traffic roundabout as well as the northbound exit and entrance ramps.

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Another perspective of the SR 37/Tapp work zone; looking south. The dirt path outlines the future I-69 southbound exit ramp to Tapp Road.

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Looking north from near the Tapp toward the SR 37/SR 45 (Bloomfield Road) interchange. Note the new sound wall.

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Slightly different view looking south.

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Getting dark; again looking north toward the SR 37/SR 45 interchange.

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The power line structures adjacent to the roadway; looking south.

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One last one as evening settles in; looking south.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on November 17, 2017, 04:27:49 PM
Any signs of overhead lights going in?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 17, 2017, 10:24:18 PM

Quote from: csw on November 17, 2017, 04:27:49 PM
Any signs of overhead lights going in?

I imagine some of the lighting conduits are already in place, particularly on Tapp Road and the new roundabout east of the mainline. Here's a couple of pictures taken from the SR 45/Bloomfield Road overpass that show lighting installations both north and south of Tapp. While these photos do not depict work at Tapp per se, they illustrate what will soon be forthcoming at the I-69/Tapp Road interchange.

Pictures were taken September 27, 2017.

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The Tapp Road interchange will be just beyond the slight crest in the roadway. In the background (expand the photo) is a line of overhead lights approaching the Fullerton Road interchange. Also, there's a concrete footing for an overhead light on the right.

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Closer look at two concrete footings for lights between the SR 45 overpass and Tapp Road; looking south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 20, 2017, 04:19:36 PM
I was over on the west side of Bloomington today, and I brought the camera. I'm glad I did. A lot has changed at the Tapp Road/State Road 37 work zone. Photos were taken November 20, 2017.

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Paving is underway at the eastern roundabout on Tapp Road, and poles and lightning fixtures are now in place; looking slightly southwest.

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Just north of the future Tapp Road interchange, embankment work continues; looking slightly northwest.

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Another view of the work underway at Tapp; looking southeast. The future northbound entrance and exit ramps to Tapp have been either paved or are in the process of being paved. Note as well the newly installed row of overhead lights. Not a great picture, but at this time of year with the sun so low in the sky ...

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Looking west toward the future eastern roundabout at Tapp Road.

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Closer look at the paving operation.

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Another look at the work underway at Tapp.

I'm going to try to make it up to Morgan County soon. After that, as winter sets in, I'll may take a little break. We'll see.

Edit: Swapped out a photo for a better one.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 25, 2017, 04:14:48 PM

On Thanksgiving Day, I made my way up to Morgan County via back roads, with one stop along the way. The time it took was a lot longer than I expected. By the time I got to where I wanted to be, the sun was quite low in the southwestern sky. Photos were taken November 24, 2017.

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The medium bent of the future overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over State Road 37 (future I-69) in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. Concrete to form the columns has been recently poured and is now curing. The forms have been wrapped in insulating material to ensure proper curing.

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Another view of the work underway at Chambers Pike; looking northeast. With this overpass underway, all major remaining elements of Section 5–the interchanges and overpasses at Tapp Road, Sample Road, and Liberty Church Road, and now the overpass at Chambers Pike–are under construction.

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Looking north from the work zone at Chambers Pike and State Road 37.

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Two excavators–one with a hammer drill attachment–at the Chambers Pike work zone; looking east.

The area in the vicinity of Chambers Pike and SR 37, particularly the sections to the north, is isolated to some extent. This will be exacerbated when Section 5 completes, as area residents will no longer be able to access SR 37 via Chambers Pike or nearby crossings. It's 8.35 miles between the interchanges at Sample Road and Liberty Church Road to the north. Residents who live in the area between the two interchanges may have to drive upwards of 15 or 20 minutes to access Interstate 69, depending on where they live. Chambers Pike is an ideal location for an another interchange. I imagine, at some point in the future, one will be built.

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Looking north toward SR 37 and the future Liberty Church Road overpass and interchange. Along this stretch of roadway, the present southbound lanes of SR 37 have been temporarily closed for construction work. All traffic, both northbound and southbound, has been shunted off to the northbound lanes of SR 37, with opposing traffic running side by side. At the time the picture was taken, southbound traffic was backed up due to an incident.

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A driver has had enough of the backup, which was at a standstill, and has decided the closed-off southbound lanes of SR 37 are more appealing. To the left is the new access road that will link into the Liberty Church Road interchange. In the mid-background, the new bridge over Little Indiana Creek for the access road is discernible, as is the adjacent, future southbound entrance ramp to I-69 from Liberty Church.

Southbound SR 37, the middle roadway pictured, has been closed off north and south of Liberty Church for several months for rehabilitation of the bridges over Jordan Creek and Little Indian Creek. At some point, all traffic, both northbound and southbound, will be shifted to the southbound lanes to reconstruct the aforementioned bridges on SR 37 northbound.

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Looking southeast toward State Road 37 and the traffic backup; from near the SR 37/Turkey Track Rd. crossing. At this spot, the new access road (foreground) will link into Turkey Track Rd., which itself hooks up into Paragon Road, a rural arterial.

State Road 37 in northern Monroe County is not an easy drive at this time, some would term it "nightmarish." The morning and evening backups can be lengthy, even if no incident has occurred. Accidents, unfortunately, have become common along this stretch of Section 5, particularly where opposing traffic is running side by side on the northbound lanes. The problem is most evident at SR 37 access points. (I hesitate to use the term intersection because, in many instances, these access points are little more than driveways.) Often the only way a vehicle can access SR 37 is for other vehicles to slow or stop, granting entrance to the other vehicle. Last month, during a northbound backup, a semi three vehicles ahead of me had stopped to give a vehicle room to access SR 37 southbound. But the driver of this car wasn't careful enough and pulled too quickly into the southbound lane. He was smacked hard on the front passenger quarter panel. The force of the crash dislodged the front axle of the striking vehicle, and I watched, helplessly, as the car skidded, front end to pavement, down the roadway past me.

INDOT and its contractors have been busting their rear ends whipping SR 37 into shape to become I-69. Very substantial progress has been advanced this summer and fall. But several months of intense construction are still forthcoming. If you have need to be on SR 37 while construction is ongoing, be careful out there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on November 25, 2017, 06:56:08 PM
Thanks for the continuing sets of photos.

BTW, the "hammer drill attachment" is called a ram-hoe. When not in mixed company, male engineers and construction workers often call it a pecker (with the innuendo intended). Although how advisable that is in today's environment is an open question.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 05, 2017, 05:18:33 PM

The future Interstate 69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana, via Google Earth/Google Images. These images are from September 2017.

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To orient, the top of the image is north, and left is west. The highway with the median is State Road 37. The smaller road that roughly cuts horizontally through the image is Liberty Church Road (right of SR 37) and Godsey Road (left of SR 37). The outer roadway rings of the interchange are the new local access roads. Clearly defined are the southbound exit and entrance ramps to/from future I-69. Less detailed, however, are the northbound ramps.

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This image more clearly shows the route and construction of the western local access road. Work on the new access road bridge over Little Indian Creek (mid-left) had only just commenced, but, now, three months later, is complete. On the other side of the highway, the eastern access road will be linked to E. Hacker Creek Road, which itself connects to a small segment Old State Road 37. That segment then will be extended to connect to another segment of Old SR 37. It's possible this stretch of access roadway may be tagged Old State Road 37.

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Closer look at the trio of new bridges that cross Jordan Creek north of the Liberty Church Road interchange. The bridges on the far left and right, respectfully, are for the local access roads. The one in the middle will carry the I-69 southbound exit ramp.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 07, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
Safe to say the new I-69 will definitely follow the same alignment as IN 37 from Bloomington to Indy? Well, the more I see it, the more I think it's definitely the right way to go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on December 07, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 07, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
Safe to say the new I-69 will definitely follow the same alignment as IN 37 from Bloomington to Indy? Well, the more I see it, the more I think it's definitely the right way to go.

Yes, that is already settled.  Interstate 69 SIU 3, Section 6, will run from the I-69 - State Road 39 interchange in Martinsville, to a new Interchange with I-465 just to the west of the current 465 interchange with State Road 37.

There are initial plans in previous posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 08, 2017, 03:18:38 PM
Here's a selection of photos of work at the Liberty Church Road interchange that dovetail with the satellite images I posted earlier. The pictures were taken Sunday, December 3 on a warm afternoon. There was a paving crew out–yup, working on a Sunday in December–so I wasn't able to get all the shots I wanted to.

Just two days later, chilly air descended over Indiana, signaling the arrival of winter. Contractors are pushing very hard to move Section 5 toward the finish line, as evidenced by the Sunday paving work not only at Liberty Church but at Sample Road as well (pictures below). It's only 82 days till the warmer temperatures of March. If INDOT and its contractors can get in 30—40 days of productive work during the winter months, they'll probably be satisfied.

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The scene at the future Interstate 69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast. If you expand the photo (Right Click select View Image), an ambulance with its back doors open is discernible (right). Another incident on State Road 37, distressingly. It appeared a vehicle traveling northbound that had slowed to make the right turn onto Liberty Church Road had been slammed hard in the rear. Let's hope no one was seriously injured. On the right is Godsey Road, which will connect to the western local access road, which itself will link into the Liberty Church interchange.

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A mid-range view of the work underway on Sunday at the Liberty Church Road interchange; looking northeast. The crew was paving the new southbound entrance ramp to future I-69.

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Closer look of the paving crew and the scene at Liberty Church. The unpaved roadway in the foreground is the local access road.

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A truck with a fresh load of asphalt heads up the approach road to the overpass that will carry Liberty Church Road over future I-69; looking northwest.

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Another look at the paving team at work on the southbound ramp; looking north.

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The point where Godsey Road will intersect with the local access road; looking northeast.

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Looking northwest from SR 37 toward the work underway at Liberty Church. Traffic was at a standstill due the aforementioned incident, so I took the opportunity to snap off a couple.


Sample Road work zone

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Near the future I-69/Sample Road interchange, a team is paving the segment of roadway that will blend the current northbound lanes of SR 37 into the old southbound lanes of SR 37; looking north. When completed, this section of roadway will become the new northbound lanes of Interstate 69. After traffic has been switched over, the current northbound lanes of SR 37 will be sealed off at Sample Road, but just to the north, will be repurposed as a bi-directional local access road up to Chambers Pike, a distance of about two miles. Note the little patch of asphalt, jutting off from the new northbound mainline. That's the beginning of the exit ramp to Sample Road. Also note the police cruiser positioned underneath the partial overpass.

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A more expansive view of the scene at the Sample Road work zone; looking north. In the foreground is the new local access road. This road runs behind the Mobil/Circle K mart (not pictured, but off to the right) up to a roundabout at Sample Road. It then continues north to join up with the northbound lanes of SR 37, which, from that point north, at detailed above, will be transitioned to a two-way local access road.

Winter has arrived in Indiana. Work will likely continue on the overpasses at Tapp Road and Chambers Pike, as well as elsewhere, as weather permits. If I notice anything of interest, I'll try to take some pictures to keep you all up to date.

Edit: Minor wording changes for readability and some additional info added to the photo descriptions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on December 09, 2017, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: ITB on December 08, 2017, 03:18:38 PM

Here's a selection of photos of work at the Liberty Church Road interchange....

These photos are great.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on December 12, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
I recently drove through the I69 Section 5 construction zone last week.  It had been awhile, and I was amazed at just how much had been completed.  What I found to be interesting was that some elements were being opened to traffic as soon as possible.  For example, when I was driving northbound, I noticed that the new exit ramp for the Tapp Road intersection was both opened to traffic and signed with the correct exit number.  The bridge over the interstate is not there, but traffic can exit on the new exit ramp.  I saw the similar thing when driving southbound later in the day; a new exit ramp for Sample Road was opened and signed.  If time hadn't been an issue, I would have flipped on my vehicle's lights and snapped some photos.  I initially had my doubts, but it appears that the August 2018 substantial completion target is very achievable.  I think that the fairly mild winter that Indiana has had (so far-knocking on wood) is a great help.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on December 12, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 12, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
I think that the fairly mild winter that Indiana has had (so far-knocking on wood) is a great help.
Looks like another global warming feedback loop has been discovered: warmer weather -> more highways built -> more driving -> warmer weather
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 12, 2017, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 12, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
I recently drove through the I69 Section 5 construction zone last week.  It had been awhile, and I was amazed at just how much had been completed.  What I found to be interesting was that some elements were being opened to traffic as soon as possible.  For example, when I was driving northbound, I noticed that the new exit ramp for the Tapp Road intersection was both opened to traffic and signed with the correct exit number.  The bridge over the interstate is not there, but traffic can exit on the new exit ramp.  I saw the similar thing when driving southbound later in the day; a new exit ramp for Sample Road was opened and signed.  If time hadn't been an issue, I would have flipped on my vehicle's lights and snapped some photos.  I initially had my doubts, but it appears that the August 2018 substantial completion target is very achievable.  I think that the fairly mild winter that Indiana has had (so far-knocking on wood) is a great help.

it's showing up on google now
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 12, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 12, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on December 12, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
I think that the fairly mild winter that Indiana has had (so far-knocking on wood) is a great help.
Looks like another global warming feedback loop has been discovered: warmer weather -> more highways built -> more driving -> warmer weather

Don't worry, it'll be OK in 20 years with all those Tesla semis on the road, and the Norks now being able to control the weather.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 15, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Per INDOT:
BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (Dec. 14, 2017) — Motorists traveling between Bloomington and Martinsville on SR 37 will notice changes to traffic patterns and access points beginning on Friday, Dec. 15. The lane shifts and new access will allow crews to get SR 37 ready for a winter configuration that will have four lanes of traffic moving both north and south bound in most of the corridor.
On Friday, northbound traffic on SR 37 between the Sample Road interchange and Crossover Road will be shifted onto the new I-69 northbound travel lanes.  Access on and off this stretch of the northbound roadway will be limited to East Sample/Wayport Road.  When northbound traffic moves to new I-69 pavement, the current SR 37 northbound lanes will become a bidirectional access road for homes and businesses east of SR 37.
Southbound motorists get to the new access road by turning left off of SR 37 at East Sample/Wayport; northbound motorists get to the new access road by turning right at East Sample/Wayport.  Motorists traveling north on Wayport Road can get to the new access road by using the East Sample roundabout. Because the new access road is bidirectional, motorists are urged to use caution and turn signals when entering and exiting the roadway.
Direct access to the Mobile/Circle K gas station from SR 37 will be eliminated.  Customers will need to go south on the East Sample/Wayport access road to reach the service station and Nature's Way.  Bloomington Auto Parts, Worm's Way, Inc., Oliver Winery, Fox Hollow Road, the Family Life Worship Center and Parker Pools can be accessed by traveling north on the new access road (old SR 37 northbound lanes) from East Sample/Wayport.   
U-turns at the northern and southern ends of the new northbound travel lanes will be located at Crossover Road and the East Sample/Wayport access road just north of the Sample Road overpass. Northbound motorists needing access to the west side of the highway will need to make a U-turn at Crossover Road and proceed southbound to Lee Paul Road.
In addition, on Monday, Dec. 18, southbound traffic entering the northern limits of the construction zone at Indian Creek will be placed on new I-69 pavement, separating it from northbound traffic that will remain on the current SR 37 northbound lanes.  Both north and south bound traffic will remain in single lanes, allowing crews to continue with patching, paving and maintenance operations as long as the weather permits.
INDOT reminds all motorists that work will continue at various points in the construction zone throughout the winter, and the posted speed limit remains 45 mph.  Motorists are urged to be aware of the new lane configurations and changes in traffic patterns, and to always drive safely and for the conditions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 15, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
Kind of a sidebar, but I found why "That Road" has the name it does

https://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/i69conn.htm

QuoteVisitors and new residents always ask the question, "Why do you have a road named 'That Road' here?" The name conjures up the thought of an Abbott & Costello skit.
Here is the story of That Road:
Originally most of the county roads had Rural Route designations with the US Post Office. In addition people had various informal names for roads. But in 1954, the Post Office required all US counties to name all of their roads.
Most counties with rectangular grids just named the roads with numbers which are 100 times the number of miles the road is from the most important road running in the same direction. For example, the north-south road 2 miles east of the main north-south road would be named 200 E (note that moving the alignment of the major road later does not change the road names). A few of these were misunderstood (a mapmaker once accidently labeled 600 N as "Goon Road").
In counties with hilly terrain, this did not work. Very few roads run straight north and south or east and west. So the roads had to have names other than numbers. Monroe County is one of these counties. So in 1954, the County Commissioners had a meeting to name all of the roads. They named many of the roads according to the informal names people used, where the road goes, or the name of a prominent person living on the road. In some cases, they misunderstood the informal name of the road ("Hartstrait Road" for what was called the "hard straight road").
Originally people informally referred to three roads that came together at one point as "Victor Pike", because they were the way to go to Victor. Since the Post Office rules required that only one length of road could have a given name, they had to come up with a new name for at least one of the roads that merged to form Victor Pike. Since the road going to Victor met the other legs as the stem of a T-intersection, they decided that both of the other legs needed the new name.
One commissioner kept getting confused about which road was which. They kept having to point roads out to him on the map (after which he usually said, "Oh! That road!"). He said that about the road leading to the beginning of Victor Pike more than for any other road.
A game was coming up, and the commissioners wanted to end the meeting so they would not miss the game. So they named the road "That Road" and adjourned
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 02, 2018, 12:10:17 PM
With the excessively cold weather and the holidays, what work, if any has been done on I-69 SIU-3 Section 5?

How cold does it have to get to stop construction?  Did they stop work around Christmas and New Year's at all?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 02, 2018, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 02, 2018, 12:10:17 PM
With the excessively cold weather and the holidays, what work, if any has been done on I-69 SIU-3 Section 5?

How cold does it have to get to stop construction?  Did they stop work around Christmas and New Year's at all?

I'm going to say 0 work, with the negative temps in all! But I could be wrong...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on January 03, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 02, 2018, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 02, 2018, 12:10:17 PM
With the excessively cold weather and the holidays, what work, if any has been done on I-69 SIU-3 Section 5?

How cold does it have to get to stop construction?  Did they stop work around Christmas and New Year's at all?

I'm going to say 0 work, with the negative temps in all! But I could be wrong...
And snow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 06, 2018, 10:14:38 PM

Here's a mid-winter photo update of the Tapp Road construction work zone. Pictures were taken January 6, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north toward the future Tapp Road/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. On the right is the northbound exit ramp to Tapp. The ramp was opened to traffic in mid-December, as was the corresponding northbound I-69 entrance ramp from Tapp. On the left is the not-yet-paved southbound entrance ramp to I-69. Work to build the sound wall between Tapp and Fullerton Road (left) also is underway.

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Construction of the overpass that will carry Tapp Road over future I-69; looking east.

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Looking north toward the future southbound ramp from Tapp Road to future I-69.

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Stacks of MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) panels to be used to construct the western abutment of the Tapp Road overpass; looking north.

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Mid-range view of work underway on the future Tapp Road overpass; looking northeast.

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A slightly closer look; looking northeast.

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Looking north toward the construction work zone in the vicinity of the future Tapp Road/I-69 interchange.

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Another perspective; looking north.

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Long range view, looking north, of the work zone near Tapp Road.

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Still yet another perspective.

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Looking west toward Tapp Road and future western traffic circle of the Tapp Road/I-69 interchange.

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A closer view of the future overpass that will carry Tapp Road over Interstate 69; looking east.

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Construction of the sound wall between Tapp and Fullerton Road; looking north.

As the ground is frozen, about the only work that can conducted at this time is bridge work. In the upcoming week, temperatures are projected to rise to the mid-50s for a couple of days. It's a good bet Force Construction–the subcontractor for bridge work–will have crews out at Tapp and elsewhere. Using the above pictures as a base, let's see how much progress is made between now and March.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on January 10, 2018, 07:56:39 AM
INDOT has announced on Facebook I-69 Section 5 will Open in August, which we all know won't occur.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2018, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 10, 2018, 07:56:39 AM
INDOT has announced on Facebook I-69 Section 5 will Open in August, which we all know won't occur.

Depends on what you mean by "Open". 

Is it possible to have a freeway from Bloomington to Martinsville that meets basic interstate standards and be signed as I-69?  Yes. 

Is all construction on that stretch of road going to be completed by August?  No.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2018, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 06, 2018, 10:14:38 PM

Here's a mid-winter photo update of the Tapp Road construction work zone. Pictures were taken January 6, 2018, unless otherwise noted.


Looking north toward the future Tapp Road/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. On the right is the northbound exit ramp to Tapp. The ramp was opened to traffic in mid-December, as was the corresponding northbound I-69 entrance ramp from Tapp. On the left is the not-yet-paved southbound entrance ramp to I-69. Work to build the sound wall between Tapp and Fullerton Road (left) also is underway.


Construction of the overpass that will carry Tapp Road over future I-69; looking east.


Looking north toward the future southbound ramp from Tapp Road to future I-69.

Stacks of MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) panels to be used to construct the western abutment of the Tapp Road overpass; looking north.


Mid-range view of work underway on the future Tapp Road overpass; looking northeast.


A slightly closer look; looking northeast.


Looking north toward the construction work zone in the vicinity of the future Tapp Road/I-69 interchange.


Another perspective; looking north.


Long range view, looking north, of the work zone near Tapp Road.


Still yet another perspective.


Looking west toward Tapp Road and future western traffic circle of the Tapp Road/I-69 interchange.


A closer view of the future overpass that will carry Tapp Road over Interstate 69; looking east.


Construction of the sound wall between Tapp and Fullerton Road; looking north.

As the ground is frozen, about the only work that can conducted at this time is bridge work. In the upcoming week, temperatures are projected to rise to the mid-50s for a couple of days. It's a good bet Force Construction–the subcontractor for bridge work–will have crews out at Tapp and elsewhere. Using the above pictures as a base, let's see how much progress is made between now and March.

How much of the new lanes for I-69 north of Bloomington have been completed?   Is it in the final configuration with the local access road yet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on January 10, 2018, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2018, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 10, 2018, 07:56:39 AM
INDOT has announced on Facebook I-69 Section 5 will Open in August, which we all know won't occur.

Depends on what you mean by "Open". 

Is it possible to have a freeway from Bloomington to Martinsville that meets basic interstate standards and be signed as I-69?  Yes. 

Is all construction on that stretch of road going to be completed by August?  No.
What I mean by open, is the new lanes & exits will open to traffic in August. My guess is they won't sign it as 69 until 2019.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 10, 2018, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 10, 2018, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2018, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 10, 2018, 07:56:39 AM
INDOT has announced on Facebook I-69 Section 5 will Open in August, which we all know won't occur.

Depends on what you mean by "Open". 

Is it possible to have a freeway from Bloomington to Martinsville that meets basic interstate standards and be signed as I-69?  Yes. 

Is all construction on that stretch of road going to be completed by August?  No.
What I mean by open, is the new lanes & exits will open to traffic in August. My guess is they won't sign it as 69 until 2019.

I think INDOT intends to reach substantial completion by August, although some remaining work like signs, guardrails, and punch list items will continue beyong August. Normally punch list work wouldn't hold up an interstate designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 10, 2018, 09:19:08 PM
I've noticed that for the new overpasses going in, there is a vertical wall at the ends of the overpass, where it meets the outside shoulder of the road it's passing over. This makes something of a "cliff" right where the actual overcrossing begins.

Some other overpasses elsewhere have a different style, where there is an angled incline and then an angled decline before meeting the outside shoulder. This makes something of a hill, and the overcrossing begins a bit before you get to the actual road.

Here's a GSV of an an example of the first kind:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1227093,-86.5715931,3a,75y,156.72h,99.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGuHCF-b3zQNrg5CbuMlUsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And the second:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3081878,-82.3389504,3a,75y,63.88h,102.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPVf4PEg1kqhocsh2d7fyrA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Does anyone know why one would choose the "cliff" over the "hill" or vice-versa? What sort of though goes into this decision?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ysuindy on January 11, 2018, 12:09:59 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 02, 2018, 12:10:17 PM
With the excessively cold weather and the holidays, what work, if any has been done on I-69 SIU-3 Section 5?

How cold does it have to get to stop construction?  Did they stop work around Christmas and New Year's at all?

Went from Indy to Vincennes via 37-69-50 on the Friday between Christmas and New Year's.  Left Indy at Noon.  Saw no work being done on our trip.  Plenty of Indiana's finest running radar between Martinsville and Bloomington, but no construction workers.

Ended up coming back late Saturday night and took 41 to 70.  The stretch between Bloomington and Washington was just too desolate for a late night ride for me with temperatures below zero.  I had been on 69 between Washington and 231 when that was open, but my first time on the stretch west of Bloomington.  Was interesting to see the one section where the median disappeared and had a wall between the lanes.  Made sense as it was the stretch where a couple of valleys were crossed and building up the normal wide median made no sense.  Saw that Country Mark was building a new, larger store building at the 231 exit.  Since that served as our rest area on the way, that's good to see.  I now know to stop in Bloomington to use the restroom if I ever drive that way again.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 11, 2018, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 10, 2018, 09:19:08 PM
I've noticed that for the new overpasses going in, there is a vertical wall at the ends of the overpass, where it meets the outside shoulder of the road it's passing over. This makes something of a "cliff" right where the actual overcrossing begins.

Some other overpasses elsewhere have a different style, where there is an angled incline and then an angled decline before meeting the outside shoulder. This makes something of a hill, and the overcrossing begins a bit before you get to the actual road.

Here's a GSV of an an example of the first kind:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1227093,-86.5715931,3a,75y,156.72h,99.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGuHCF-b3zQNrg5CbuMlUsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And the second:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3081878,-82.3389504,3a,75y,63.88h,102.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPVf4PEg1kqhocsh2d7fyrA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Does anyone know why one would choose the "cliff" over the "hill" or vice-versa? What sort of though goes into this decision?

I talked to a structural engineer, the "hill" you mentioned is called a "slope wall", the "cliff" is an MSE (mechanically stabilized earth) Wall.  You are starting to see more of the MSE style, because it's cheaper.  he gave other reasons too, but it seems that the biggest reason is costs.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 11, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
WTHR's weather map shows I-69 going into Morgan County halfway to Martinsville 🤨
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on January 11, 2018, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 11, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
WTHR's weather map shows I-69 going into Morgan County halfway to Martinsville 🤨
Who cares?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hurricane Rex on January 12, 2018, 02:03:28 AM
Does anyone have any guesses when this is going to be done?
My guess is 25 years from now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 12, 2018, 06:51:25 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 11, 2018, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 11, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
WTHR's weather map shows I-69 going into Morgan County halfway to Martinsville 🤨
Who cares?

Damn, just pointing it out. Thought it was interesting...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on January 12, 2018, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 12, 2018, 06:51:25 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 11, 2018, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 11, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
WTHR's weather map shows I-69 going into Morgan County halfway to Martinsville 🤨
Who cares?

Damn, just pointing it out. Thought it was interesting...

I think the recent cold snap down there, and the threat of a snowflake has everyone in Florida a little edgy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on January 12, 2018, 03:06:03 PM
I love the cold. I hate people freaking out over random fourth-party maps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 12, 2018, 03:53:27 PM
Your age explains your comments. I'll leave you alone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on January 13, 2018, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 12, 2018, 03:06:03 PM
I love the cold. I hate people freaking out over random fourth-party maps.
Someone sharing a small piece of information they noticed constitutes them freaking out. Gotcha.

Edit: the term gotcha was used in light manner and rather sarcastically but not too sarcastic. Only enough to indicate I am not "freaking out"  which you might try and claim I am doing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 06, 2018, 11:38:04 PM
Hey guys. We've passed the halfway point of winter, so it's time for a short update. What's been accomplished on Section 5 during the last couple of months? In two words: A lot! It's not even mid-February and the bridge beams for the Tapp Road overpass are poised to be put in place. Concrete barrier walls have been poured near the future interchange at Liberty Church Road and north of Sample Road in Morgan and Monroe counties, respectfully. Moreover, work to install guard rails has been robust, and the third and final sound wall near the Fullerton Road interchange is moving swiftly toward completion. With the recent advances in cold weather concrete curing, it appears road and bridge construction–at least in South-Central Indiana–is now almost a year round endeavor.

Here's a few pictures of the scene at the future Tapp Road/I-69 interchange. Photos were taken February 6, 2018. Tip: To expand the photos, Right Click and select View Image.

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As evening approaches, preparations are underway to place the main structural bridge beams that will carry Tapp Road over future Interstate 69 in Bloomington, Indiana; looking southeast. Here crew members are in the process of adding counterweights to the two cranes. The schedule was to set the beams over northbound State Road 37 overnight, Tuesday, February 6, but because a light snow was forecast, the task was postponed. It will probably be rescheduled for Wednesday night. When the beams over northbound 37 have been set, crews will shift to those that cross over the southbound lanes. At this time, that's scheduled to occur Thursday night.

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Mid-range view of the scene at the Tapp Road work zone as the sun begins to set; looking southeast.

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Slightly different perspective; looking east.

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Close up of the two cranes; looking east.

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Work continued as darkness began to fall, but soon wrapped up due to the light snow forecast.

Edit: To fix photos that weren't loading properly.

 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on February 07, 2018, 04:40:46 AM
Crybaby triggered. Sheesh, have to have a loathsome remark when somebody's making an observation and trying to contribute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on February 07, 2018, 04:42:15 AM
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on February 07, 2018, 04:40:46 AM
Crybaby triggered. Sheesh, have to have a loathsome remark when somebody's making an observation and trying to contribute.
Quote from: NE2 on January 12, 2018, 03:06:03 PM
I love the cold. I hate people freaking out over random fourth-party maps.
And the moderators keep putting up with it, when other posters are only trying to contribute.Been putting up with it for years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on February 07, 2018, 05:35:13 AM
Not to hijack the thread, snarky remarks need to be left out of threads. Tired of reading them. Rather read contributions without a snarky remark.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 07, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on February 07, 2018, 04:40:46 AM
Crybaby triggered. Sheesh, have to have a loathsome remark when somebody's making an observation and trying to contribute.

not sure what this is referring to, i think the mods deleted the comment.

Great photos, I didn't know that they were allowed to do concrete work in the cold, good to see progress still being made.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dcharlie on February 08, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
ITB, thanks for all the pictures! I really enjoy this thread because of your posts!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 08, 2018, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 07, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
Great photos, I didn't know that they were allowed to do concrete work in the cold, good to see progress still being made.

Quote from: dcharlie on February 08, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
ITB, thanks for all the pictures! I really enjoy this thread because of your posts!

Thanks, guys, for the kind words. I was out last night taking a few more, and I'm going to post them right now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 08, 2018, 02:10:49 PM

As expected, the operation to place the bridge beams for the overpass that will carry Tapp Road over future Interstate 69 in Bloomington, Indiana, started last night, Wednesday, February 7. Here's a few photos.

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At the future Tapp Road overpass, the first beam to be placed has been lifted and is being guided to the proper position; looking southeast.

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Crew members await the beam as its slowly lowered.

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Positioning the beam exactly where it needs to be. Note the crew members on the right end, on their knees. The temperature was in the low 20s, and for these guys to be doing this, really says something.

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Long range view of the scene Wednesday night; looking southeast. The second beam has arrived via the truck with the green cab.

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Welding is underway as crew members work to secure the first beam.

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These guys, I believe, are the crew members whose job is to disconnect the load binders and chains that attach the beam to the transport truck. They are also, probably, responsible for attaching the crane cables to the beam. Note the already attached cables.

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Mid-range view, as the second beam is just about to be lifted.

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The second beam being moved into position.

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Slowly lowered, crew members work to put the beam in proper position. After this one, only five more to go. And then tomorrow night, the operation shifts to place the beams over the southbound lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 08, 2018, 03:28:37 PM
INDOT has just updated maps based on the environmental impact statement http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

2 observations:

1- The county line road interchange is... interesting
2- Morgan and Johnson County should work together to connect some of the east-west streets in the area (which would involve bridges over white river) it would help connectivity, and I'm saying this because I think this may cause growth to occur in the area.  Hamilton County made this mistake by not having another crossing in between 116th and 146th.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on February 08, 2018, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 08, 2018, 03:28:37 PM
INDOT has just updated maps based on the environmental impact statement http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

I see they mixed up east and west on the link titles for maps 9 and 10

But anyway, I like the braided ramps to avoid weaving between the existing 37/465 interchange and the future 69/465 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 09, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
 
Section 6 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project has taken a big step forward. Yesterday, February 8, INDOT released the joint Tier 2 Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) and the Record of Decision (ROD) for Section 6. We all knew it would happen, that Section 6 would be built, and the ROD is the official confirmation, giving the green light to begin the process of construction. With the ROD in hand, INDOT and the State of Indiana will now move forward with land acquisition and preliminary design, with detailed design soon to follow.

Here's the INDOT Press Release:

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And here's the links to the FEIS and the ROD:

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2515.htm (FEIS)
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_ROD.pdf (ROD)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 10, 2018, 12:29:31 PM
Good news and bad news:
1.  Good news that both the bridge and the final Central Indiana section are moving along, and perhaps we might see construction completed on both in 10  years
2.  Bad news is that construction will start and especially for the Martinsville to I-465 corridor will be construction delays (I'm going to bet we are not going to see a consortium like last time)
3.  Good news #2 is that since construction won't start around Martinsville for at least a year or two and that the Bloomington to Martinsville stretch will be done this year we will actually have a good travel experience for that time period.  (After that, I don't know, perhaps going through Martinsville and up IN 67).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on February 10, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 10, 2018, 12:29:31 PM
Good news and bad news:
1.  Good news that both the bridge and the final Central Indiana section are moving along, and perhaps we might see construction completed on both in 10  years
2.  Bad news is that construction will start and especially for the Martinsville to I-465 corridor will be construction delays (I'm going to bet we are not going to see a consortium like last time)
3.  Good news #2 is that since construction won't start around Martinsville for at least a year or two and that the Bloomington to Martinsville stretch will be done this year we will actually have a good travel experience for that time period.  (After that, I don't know, perhaps going through Martinsville and up IN 67).

Yep..I would strongly suggest taking IN-67 from Martinsville after construction begins. It really isn't a bad route, and at least gives a nice alternative. We didn't have that with the Bloomington-Martinsville section.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on February 10, 2018, 08:13:33 PM
Tiny two-lane 39 will probably be choked with all the traffic doing exactly that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on February 10, 2018, 08:20:54 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 12, 2018, 03:53:27 PM
Your age explains your comments. I'll leave you alone.

He's not really 9. He just acts like it. Sometimes you would never believe he's an MIT alum.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 10, 2018, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on February 10, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Yep..I would strongly suggest taking IN-67 from Martinsville after construction begins. It really isn't a bad route, and at least gives a nice alternative. We didn't have that with the Bloomington-Martinsville section.

I remember some time ago, early 2000s I think when the stretch of SR 37 from Martinsville up to Southport Road was completely rebuilt and the SR 67 alternative was advertised along I-465 as an alternate route. Looking back at that construction, it was good that they did not rebuild the stretch from Martinsville to Bloomington at that time since that work is being done now. And by this point the rebuilding of 37 was long enough ago that rebuilding it as an interstate doesn't seem to be a waste.

My father visited the Section 6 offices late last year and his conversation with the people there indicated that the state is planning on putting up BGSs at the SR 37 interchange with 465 to direct traffic toward I-69 once Section 5 is complete. I believe he also mentioned plans on installing mile markers along SR 37 from Martinsville northward to 465 that continue the I-69 milemarkers from below. I hope I was hearing this right and would be interested in seeing how this looks.

Maybe they can start putting Indianapolis on I-69 north signs further down on the completed route, especially since we NOW know where Section 6 will be. I can't wait to see the signs get updated down in Bloomington as I image that the SR 46 interchange with I-69 may be the first time that we see Evansville and Indianapolis on the same sign bridge ever.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 11, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
I would love to see updated signs along the Bloomington to Evansville corridor.  I know the mileage, but it would be nice to see the signs put up.  They should have done it for southbound, since Evansville isn't moving anywhere, nor is Bloomington northbound (at least as far as I know....perhaps they are moving further left).  Since the road is known to be put on the existing 37 corridor, the mileage to and from Indianapolis should be a given as well.  It still is a pet peeve of mine that "To I-69" signs are not normal when you get to the end of a stretch such as the end in Evansville, which could simply tell you to go south on US 41 and pick it up again.  There is one in Henderson northbound, but just one.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PM

Here's a few pictures from last week that I have been remiss in not posting. Photos were taken February 13, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Tapp Road overpass
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Looking southeast toward the overpass that will carry Tapp Road over future Interstate 69, with bridge beams now in place. Photo was taken February 12, 2018.

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Another view of the Tapp Road overpass and future interchange; looking north. Crews are also working to complete the third and final sound wall project of Section 5, which will stretch between Tapp Road and Fullerton Road. Note as well the preparation of the median for the final segments of the median barrier wall. Photo was taken February 12, 2018.

Chambers Pike overpass work zone
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Looking north toward construction of the overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over I-69. Substantial progress was achieved during the winter months, and beams likely will be set in March. The overpasses at Chambers Pike, Sample Road, as well as Tapp Road, are the only remaining over-highway bridge components of Section 5 that need to be completed and opened to traffic. To be sure, work continues on the new Liberty Church interchange in Morgan County and on the previously built bridges that carry 2nd Street (SR 45) and 3rd Street (SR 48) over the highway in Bloomington, but, essentially, these project elements are nearing the wind-up stage, or soon will be.

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Closer look at the future Chambers Pike overpass; looking north.

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Another perspective of the Chambers Pike overpass; looking east.

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Long range view of the work zone in the vicinity of Chambers Pike; looking north. The road in the foreground is N. Crossover Road.

Overpasses–N. Walnut Street and Kinser Pike–and Signs
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Looking south toward the highway from about a mile south of the future Sample Road interchange. The overpasses in the background carry, respectfully, N. Walnut Street (nearest) and Kinser Pike.

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BGS and other signs near the southbound (and only) exit to N. Walnut Street. The yellow "No Re-entry ..." is a bit unusual, at least to me. How rare is it to come across a sign of this sort at an interstate interchange?

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Another perspective looking south toward SR 37 (future I-69), from near the end of the completed western local access road south of the future Sample Road interchange.

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Looking north from about a mile south of the future Sample Road overpass. Crews continue earth work to extend the eastern local access road.

Sign–State Road 37/Dillman Road
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Sign for I-69 near the intersection of State Road 37 and Dillman Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on February 19, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PMBGS and other signs near the southbound (and only) exit to N. Walnut Street. The yellow "No Re-entry ..." is a bit unusual, at least to me. How rare is it to come across a sign of this sort at an interstate interchange?

There's one on the west side of 465 at 56th St:
https://goo.gl/maps/rXhXr3rA92E2
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PMBGS and other signs near the southbound (and only) exit to N. Walnut Street. The yellow "No Re-entry ..." is a bit unusual, at least to me. How rare is it to come across a sign of this sort at an interstate interchange?

Is that a new sign? If so, was there not a "No re-entry" sign there before that?

Quote from: bmeiser on February 19, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
There's one on the west side of 465 at 56th St:
https://goo.gl/maps/rXhXr3rA92E2

Here's an example of one as a stand alone sign at Exit 134 on Northbound I-75 in Ohio:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8259628,-83.9864122,3a,75y,86.66h,84.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smejaT99BR_LPwmi9Vd9Yyg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 19, 2018, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PMBGS and other signs near the southbound (and only) exit to N. Walnut Street. The yellow "No Re-entry ..." is a bit unusual, at least to me. How rare is it to come across a sign of this sort at an interstate interchange?

Is that a new sign? If so, was there not a "No re-entry" sign there before that?

The sign appears to be a completely new. I checked Google Maps Street View dated October 2017, and it wasn't there. It's possible an older "No Re-entry" sign was in place previously and was taken down due to the construction. But I have my doubts as I've lived in the Bloomington area for many years, and I don't recall ever noticing a "No Re-entry" sign at the SR 37/N. Walnut Street partial interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on February 19, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 11, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
I would love to see updated signs along the Bloomington to Evansville corridor.  I know the mileage, but it would be nice to see the signs put up.  They should have done it for southbound, since Evansville isn't moving anywhere, nor is Bloomington northbound (at least as far as I know....perhaps they are moving further left).  Since the road is known to be put on the existing 37 corridor, the mileage to and from Indianapolis should be a given as well.  It still is a pet peeve of mine that "To I-69" signs are not normal when you get to the end of a stretch such as the end in Evansville, which could simply tell you to go south on US 41 and pick it up again.  There is one in Henderson northbound, but just one.

I couldn't agree more on all points.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on February 19, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PM

Here's a few pictures from last week that I have been remiss in not posting. Photos were taken February 13, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

[Edited to remove pictures not pertinent to my remarks - theline.]

Sign–State Road 37/Dillman Road
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Sign for I-69 near the intersection of State Road 37 and Dillman Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

I'm assuming that this BGS will be replaced once this section of highway gains the I-69 designation, with the new sign indicating the SR-37 is exiting. (No LEFT banner required then.) That should be in less than two years, if my guess is right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: theline on February 19, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PM

Here's a few pictures from last week that I have been remiss in not posting. Photos were taken February 13, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

[Edited to remove pictures not pertinent to my remarks - theline.]

Sign–State Road 37/Dillman Road
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Sign for I-69 near the intersection of State Road 37 and Dillman Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

I'm assuming that this BGS will be replaced once this section of highway gains the I-69 designation, with the new sign indicating the SR-37 is exiting. (No LEFT banner required then.) That should be in less than two years, if my guess is right.

Both legs of that exit will be to I-69, so would SR-37 really be considered as exiting there?

Does Indiana do large arrow diagram split's? If so that would make sense here, an arrow diagram showing the 2 lanes splitting into 1 lane each way with "I-69 South, Evansville" on the left and "I-69 / SR-37 North, Bloomington and/or Indianapolis" on the right
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 20, 2018, 07:26:31 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: theline on February 19, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PM

Here's a few pictures from last week that I have been remiss in not posting. Photos were taken February 13, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

[Edited to remove pictures not pertinent to my remarks - theline.]

Sign–State Road 37/Dillman Road
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Sign for I-69 near the intersection of State Road 37 and Dillman Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

I'm assuming that this BGS will be replaced once this section of highway gains the I-69 designation, with the new sign indicating the SR-37 is exiting. (No LEFT banner required then.) That should be in less than two years, if my guess is right.

Both legs of that exit will be to I-69, so would SR-37 really be considered as exiting there?

Does Indiana do large arrow diagram split's? If so that would make sense here, an arrow diagram showing the 2 lanes splitting into 1 lane each way with "I-69 South, Evansville" on the left and "I-69 / SR-37 North, Bloomington and/or Indianapolis" on the right

they just started doing that recently: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991702,-86.1070229,3a,75y,358.89h,104.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3w-qVz5f4YfMIJZj8AipqA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on February 21, 2018, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: theline on February 19, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 19, 2018, 03:41:36 PM

Here's a few pictures from last week that I have been remiss in not posting. Photos were taken February 13, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

[Edited to remove pictures not pertinent to my remarks - theline.]

Sign–State Road 37/Dillman Road
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Sign for I-69 near the intersection of State Road 37 and Dillman Road in Monroe County, Indiana; looking north.

I'm assuming that this BGS will be replaced once this section of highway gains the I-69 designation, with the new sign indicating the SR-37 is exiting. (No LEFT banner required then.) That should be in less than two years, if my guess is right.

Both legs of that exit will be to I-69, so would SR-37 really be considered as exiting there?

Does Indiana do large arrow diagram split's? If so that would make sense here, an arrow diagram showing the 2 lanes splitting into 1 lane each way with "I-69 South, Evansville" on the left and "I-69 / SR-37 North, Bloomington and/or Indianapolis" on the right

My mistake. I assumed that the vantage point here was looking south, completely ignoring the NORTH 37 sign staring me in the face. Now I understand. The sign may be just as accurate after the I-69 designation is extended, though an APL sign would be better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on February 21, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
Actually what I had in mind was not an APL, but rather one of these:

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Though perhaps that wouldn't be appropriate for this split where there's no option lane and both lanes become a single lane ramp. Do they ever use diagrammatic signs to show 2 lanes splitting into 2 single lane ramps?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 23, 2018, 10:30:11 PM

On February 22, 2018, INDOT announced a major traffic pattern change for the northern part of Section 5. Lane restrictions and closures will begin to occur as soon as February 26, weather permitting, and will remain in place until late July. Basically, what is happening is all northbound State Road 37 traffic will be switched to the southbound roadway at a crossover point near Bryant's Creek in northern Monroe County. Both north and southbound SR 37 traffic then will be run side by side from that location on up to a point just north of the Liberty Church Road overpass and interchange in Morgan County, a distance of about 4.8 miles.

These changes are necessary to allow crews to demo and rebuild mainline bridges over Little Indian Creek and Jordan Creek in Morgan County, and to improve shoulders north of Fox Hollow Road in northern Monroe County.

This announcement heralds the homestretch of the Section 5 project. It's only 189 days till the end of August, the date INDOT has set for substantial completion. Earlier this week on Tuesday, work was underway at many sites along Section 5. As the weather warms up, the activity will rapidly ramp up. By the end of March, bridge beams should be up for the Sample Road and Chambers Pike overpasses. About 80 percent of the new local access roads that link into the Sample Road and Liberty Church interchanges are now complete, with work continuing on the remaining segments. As each local access road reaches completion, at grade crossings to SR 37 will be sealed off, making the road much safer to travel, as these crossings have been the sites of accidents time and again.

As many of you know, Walsh Construction has been tapped by INDOT to consult on Section 5. All up and down the construction work zone, the Walsh people and their trucks are very visible; it's obvious who's running the show. Also, for those not in the know, the three main sub-contractors building Section 5 are: (1) Crider & Crider, roadwork and earthwork (mass grading, drainage, etc.); (2) Force Construction, bridges; and (3) E & B Paving, paving. This is, of course, a basic outline, and the tasks each contractor is delegated may vary or overlap. There are, as well, many other sub-contractors who are contributing significantly to bring Section 5 to fruition.

Even though it looks like a mess right now, and significant traffic pains are likely in upcoming months, Section 5 is rapidly approaching completion.

Here's the INDOT Press Release of February 22, 2018:

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 26, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
Interesting article on the contractors on I-69 and its proposed law...

Article:
https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/lawmakers-cite-i-69-delays-in-effort-to-change-how-state-contractors-are-selected
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 27, 2018, 09:06:26 AM
INDOT is going to have a presentation on this project at road school next week, I'm going to try to go and see if they provide any new info not released just yet. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 28, 2018, 08:48:15 AM
Another article on I-69 SIU 3, Section 6:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-i69-section-6-cost-16-billion-140326/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on February 28, 2018, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 28, 2018, 08:48:15 AM
Another article on I-69 SIU 3, Section 6:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-i69-section-6-cost-16-billion-140326/

Ha, I saw that link title and was thinking "16 Billion?! What the actual fu....<clicks link>....oh ok, 1.6"

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 28, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
To all of those naysayers who protested I-69 stating that US41 Upgrade to I-70 would only take 15 minutes more, the article here states that just the Martinsville to I-465 stretch will save on average 11 minutes.  I know I save at least 30 minutes on the trip to Bloomington (45 minutes with traffic on the two lanes).  This road is making a major improvement.  It's just too bad that I'm going to be near retirement when the road is finally completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 28, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 28, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
To all of those naysayers who protested I-69 stating that US41 Upgrade to I-70 would only take 15 minutes more, the article here states that just the Martinsville to I-465 stretch will save on average 11 minutes.  I know I save at least 30 minutes on the trip to Bloomington (45 minutes with traffic on the two lanes).  This road is making a major improvement.  It's just too bad that I'm going to be near retirement when the road is finally completed.

so glad this route was chosen, the us 41 idea was absurd.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on February 28, 2018, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 28, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 28, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
To all of those naysayers who protested I-69 stating that US41 Upgrade to I-70 would only take 15 minutes more, the article here states that just the Martinsville to I-465 stretch will save on average 11 minutes.  I know I save at least 30 minutes on the trip to Bloomington (45 minutes with traffic on the two lanes).  This road is making a major improvement.  It's just too bad that I'm going to be near retirement when the road is finally completed.

so glad this route was chosen, the us 41 idea was absurd.

For many years now I've been saying that I can easily see the US 41 corridor being majorly upgraded, but as a Chicagoland to points south route, not as an 'I-69 on the cheap' thing.  'I-41' to Hopkinsville, KY, anyone?

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on February 28, 2018, 11:56:56 PM
It seems logical. Until the interstates, US 41 carried all of the upper Midwest traffic heading to Florida. It is the direct route between Chicago and Nashville. Not only would it be beneficial to the cities along the route, it would also alleviate the overcrowding on I-65.

Not crazy about the I-41...I-61 seems to fit better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on March 01, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 28, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 28, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
To all of those naysayers who protested I-69 stating that US41 Upgrade to I-70 would only take 15 minutes more, the article here states that just the Martinsville to I-465 stretch will save on average 11 minutes.  I know I save at least 30 minutes on the trip to Bloomington (45 minutes with traffic on the two lanes).  This road is making a major improvement.  It's just too bad that I'm going to be near retirement when the road is finally completed.

so glad this route was chosen, the us 41 idea was absurd.

I don't think it's absurd, but the I-69 route chosen serves Indiana much better than upgrading US-41 to interstate standards.  You get direct Interstate access from Evansville to Bloomington to Indianapolis (hitting Washington, Crane Naval, Martinsville and the growing suburbs on the S. Side of Indy on the way).

Evansville to Terre Haute to Chicago doesn't serve local needs nearly as well.  Not much else along that route except for Vincennes until you hit the Region.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on March 01, 2018, 06:43:40 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 28, 2018, 11:27:56 PM
For many years now I've been saying that I can easily see the US 41 corridor being majorly upgraded, but as a Chicagoland to points south route, not as an 'I-69 on the cheap' thing.  'I-41' to Hopkinsville, KY, anyone?

:nod:

Mike
I like it. I-41 on the Tri-State, down IL 394, over to US 41, then down 41/63 to Southern IN, but I'd try to branch it a bit East, and use the I-67 KY/IN concept between Jasper, IN and Owensboro, KY, on to Bowling Green

Maybe. Totally Fictional. Never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on March 01, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
I could see US 41/150 becoming an expressway, but not a freeway. Limited access upgrades around Sullivan and Clinton, as well as a full bypass of Terre Haute, would be an economical way to reduce travel times. North of Clinton, bypassing the few traffic lights would serve the purpose. A full-limited access highway between Terre Haute and Gary isn't warranted, and probably isn't south of TH either. My family lives off US 41 south of Terre Haute, and limiting county road access in those parts would be a real hassle.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: inkyatari on March 02, 2018, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: westerninterloper on March 01, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
I could see US 41/150 becoming an expressway, but not a freeway. Limited access upgrades around Sullivan and Clinton, as well as a full bypass of Terre Haute, would be an economical way to reduce travel times. North of Clinton, bypassing the few traffic lights would serve the purpose. A full-limited access highway between Terre Haute and Gary isn't warranted, and probably isn't south of TH either. My family lives off US 41 south of Terre Haute, and limiting county road access in those parts would be a real hassle.

I could see 41 becoming a freeway from 80/94 down to just past Cedar Lake, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 02, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Quote from: thefro on March 01, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 28, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 28, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
To all of those naysayers who protested I-69 stating that US41 Upgrade to I-70 would only take 15 minutes more, the article here states that just the Martinsville to I-465 stretch will save on average 11 minutes.  I know I save at least 30 minutes on the trip to Bloomington (45 minutes with traffic on the two lanes).  This road is making a major improvement.  It's just too bad that I'm going to be near retirement when the road is finally completed.

so glad this route was chosen, the us 41 idea was absurd.

I don't think it's absurd, but the I-69 route chosen serves Indiana much better than upgrading US-41 to interstate standards.  You get direct Interstate access from Evansville to Bloomington to Indianapolis (hitting Washington, Crane Naval, Martinsville and the growing suburbs on the S. Side of Indy on the way).

Evansville to Terre Haute to Chicago doesn't serve local needs nearly as well.  Not much else along that route except for Vincennes until you hit the Region.
FWIW, the current I-69 routing makes a lot more sense than the US 41/I-70 thing. Much more direct, and it continues the NE-SW trajectory that is present in the original Fort Wayne-Lansing-Flint-Port Huron route and the one in TX (and will be in the future extensions further south).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on March 02, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
The only reason that leg makes more sense is because of Bloomington. Otherwise, we'd have to say the same thing about the Kentucky leg of I-69, which is essentially an angular 41-70 route. My fam in SW Indiana (Vincennes area) uses the highway frequently to get to Bloomington, but from their locations, 41-70 to Indy is about the same distance, especially with the finally-complete Terre Haute bypass. Once the construction north of Bloomington is done, it might change that equation, but for now they stick with 41/70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on March 02, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on March 01, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
I could see US 41/150 becoming an expressway, but not a freeway. Limited access upgrades around Sullivan and Clinton, as well as a full bypass of Terre Haute, would be an economical way to reduce travel times. North of Clinton, bypassing the few traffic lights would serve the purpose. A full-limited access highway between Terre Haute and Gary isn't warranted, and probably isn't south of TH either.

Disagree.  A full freeway alternative to I-65 would be a very useful corridor for both cars and trucks to get between Chicago, Nashville, Atlanta, and Florida without having to go through Indianapolis or Louisville, and would serve as a relief for the NW Indiana bottleneck, especially if somehow tied into IL 394.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on March 03, 2018, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 02, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on March 01, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
I could see US 41/150 becoming an expressway, but not a freeway. Limited access upgrades around Sullivan and Clinton, as well as a full bypass of Terre Haute, would be an economical way to reduce travel times. North of Clinton, bypassing the few traffic lights would serve the purpose. A full-limited access highway between Terre Haute and Gary isn't warranted, and probably isn't south of TH either.

Disagree.  A full freeway alternative to I-65 would be a very useful corridor for both cars and trucks to get between Chicago, Nashville, Atlanta, and Florida without having to go through Indianapolis or Louisville, and would serve as a relief for the NW Indiana bottleneck, especially if somehow tied into IL 394.

My musings regarding the US 41 corridor south of Chicagoland have all involved building a new-ROW crossover between US 41 and IL 394 somewhere in the Beecher, IL/Cedar Lake, IN area.  IMHO, I-route or not, this would be a natural feed into the metro area.

Although this part my be wandering off into the 'Fictional/Fantasy Highways' realm, I've also mused a lot of rerouting I-94 to replace I-294 around the Chicago and having a southward extension of I-41 replace I-94 through the city as part of this.  Then both I-routes would pass directly through the Lansing/South Holland, IL interchange with no turns ('KISS' factor here).

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 04, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
A freeway US-41 (or interstate) would be a big plus for the I-65 corridor, as Indiana and Kentucky are busy working on 6 laning the road from Chicago to the Tennessee line.  Two of the biggest holdups will be the Terre Haute bypass and the Ohio River bridge for I-69.  Both would relieve bottlenecks.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 05, 2018, 07:31:47 AM
per INDOT:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (March 4, 2018) — The traffic shift in the northern section of the construction zone was completed and in place by 9 p.m. Saturday. Crews are already mobilized for reconstruction of the northbound lanes of SR 37 and bridge work will focus initially on Jordan Creek and Little Indian Creek structures.
Elsewhere in the construction zone for the week of March 5:
-   The right lane of northbound SR 37 will be closed just before the Fullerton Pike interchange for the installation of new overhead signage.
-   The right lanes of both northbound and southbound SR 37 at Tapp Road will be closed daily from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday for ongoing bridge work and to treat the median subgrade in preparation for paving operations.
-   Cota Drive and Rex Grossman Drive will be closed on Saturday and Sunday to allow for pavement removal and paving operations in the medical park adjacent to the southeast ramp at Tapp Road.
-   Work continues on the 2nd Street Bridge with no changes in traffic configuration. Traffic on the bridge deck is reduced to one lane eastbound and one lane westbound. Motorists can expect delays, especially during morning and evening rush hours.
-   At the 3rd Street Bridge, the eastbound right lane will be closed daily from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. for the entire week for pavement removal and bridge construction. Motorists can expect delays, especially during morning and evening rush hours.
-   The left lane of northbound SR 37 between 2nd Street and 3rd Street will be closed daily for drainage work adjacent to the median barrier wall.
-   Work continues at the interchange of SR 37 and SR 46.  The right lane of southbound SR 37 to the westbound SR 46 ramp will be closed daily for shoulder work. Also, there will be no access to northbound SR 37 from eastbound SR 46 to allow for basin excavation and other interchange work. These daily restrictions will be in place all week.
-   The intersection of Acuff and Prow roads east of SR 37 will be closed until on or around April 15 for intersection improvements. Motorists traveling along Arlington Road seeking to access Acuff Road will be directed by route markers to 17th Street and along Kinser Pike.  Motorists on Kinser Pike seeking to access Prow Road will be directed by route markers to 17th Street and along Arlington Road.
-    The left lane of northbound SR 37 from Arlington Road to Kinser Pike will be closed daily Wednesday through Friday to allow for median drainage work.
-    There will be daily single lane restrictions on both north and southbound SR 37 at Sample Road to allow for continuing bridge work.
-   The right lane of southbound SR 37 from Bryant's Creek to Chambers Pike will be closed from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily for boring and drainage improvements.
-   The right lane of northbound SR 37 will be closed daily from Fox Hollow Road to Chambers Pike for shoulder improvements and drainage work.
To avoid possible congestion in the northern portion of the work zone, motorists are encouraged to use the alternate routes of SR 46 east to I-65 north and SR 46 west to SR 67 north.
As the volume of construction activity increases, motorists are urged to reduce their speed, pay attention to changing traffic conditions, and drive with no distractions.  All construction activity is weather dependent and the schedule is subject to change.





Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on March 05, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Does Bloomington really need a Rex Grossman Drive?

Sexy Rexy did get Da Bears to a Super Bowl, I guess...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 05, 2018, 11:52:22 AM
And helped the Colts to win it! Perfect reason to keep the name.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 06, 2018, 03:16:57 AM

On Sunday, March 4, I went out for a look-see, as winter is coming to an end. It appears INDOT and its contractors have made significant progress over the December-February time period. Among the more noticeable results, bridge beams were put in place at both the Tapp Road and Sample Road overpasses. A lot of work still remains, but it looks promising that Section 5 will substantially complete by INDOT's stated deadline of August 31, now less than six months away.

Here's a few pictures. Photos were taken March 4, 2018, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, select View Image.

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Looking north toward the Sample Road overpass and interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. The bridge beams for the eastern half of the overpass were set overnight Tuesday, February 27th. Note that the former northbound lanes of State Road 37 have been torn up prior to the overpass, but are visible in background (right) as the local access road. Currently, vehicles are able to access the access road and points east at a temporary crossing just beyond the overpass (note the white car at the crossing). The road in the foreground also is the access road, and it intersects with the old SR 37 northbound lanes just east (right) of the white car.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 from near the overpass that will carry Sample Road over future Interstate 69. The road in the background is the eastern local access road that will link into the Sample Road interchange. It's the same section of roadway pictured in the above photo. The road on the right appears to be an entrance ramp, but it's actually the western local access road that links, as well, into the Sample Road interchange.

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Looking north from near the Sample Road overpass toward SR 37. Note the vehicles utilizing the temporary crossing point to reach the local access road. It is at that location that the old northbound lanes of SR 37 become the bi-directional access road to points north, up to Chambers Pike. In the foreground is the entrance ramp from Sample Road to southbound SR 37.

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Vehicle navigating the entrance ramp from Sample Road to SR 37 south; looking north. Only the ramps to/from southbound SR 37 are open to traffic at this time.

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The future overpass that will carry Sample Road over Interstate 69; looking east.

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Signage on the approach to the western traffic roundabout of the Sample Road interchange; looking east. Of interest are the covered I-69 shields, as well as directional arrow indicating Indianapolis.

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Another perspective of the ramps to/from southbound SR 37 at the partially open Sample Road interchange; looking north.

More pictures to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 06, 2018, 03:05:42 PM
August 31 seems really far ahead, considering how fast construction is moving now, I'd say May 31.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on March 07, 2018, 07:03:26 AM
I shot a video of the recently opened section of I-69 south of Bloomington last summer.  The video finishes with some of the construction on SR-37.  Seeing as the video was shot in July, it's not up to date showing the construction progress, but I thought it might be interesting to some of the people here nevertheless:

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on March 07, 2018, 08:50:39 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 07, 2018, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: seicer on March 07, 2018, 08:50:39 AM
Nice!
I'm sure that the rest of I-69 will be too when it's completed all the way back to Indy! :sombrero:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 07, 2018, 06:12:54 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 07, 2018, 07:03:26 AM
I shot a video of the recently opened section of I-69 south of Bloomington last summer.  The video finishes with some of the construction on SR-37.  Seeing as the video was shot in July, it's not up to date showing the construction progress, but I thought it might be interesting to some of the people here nevertheless:



Very well put together. Thanks for posting!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 07, 2018, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 06, 2018, 03:05:42 PM
August 31 seems really far ahead, considering how fast construction is moving now, I'd say May 31.

INDOT had a meeting on it today at road school, learned nothing new, other than that they still plan on it being done in august.  also they are starting to get the r/w for the portion north of martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 07, 2018, 07:43:22 PM

Here's another batch. Photos were taken Sunday, March 4, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward the Sample Road overpass and interchange from a vantage point about one mile north. At this time, the interchange is only open to traffic to and from southbound SR 37.

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The view looking north from near SR 37 and Simpson Road. Along this section, both the western (left) and eastern local access roads run parallel to the mainline, making from a broad expanse of roadway. Hundreds of yards of guardrail, as well as sections of concrete barrier wall, have been utilized to ensure safety between the mainline and the access roads.

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Closer perspective looking north.

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Looking north from near SR 37 and Fox Hollow Road. For orientation, Fox Hollow Road is about 1 1/2 miles north of Sample Road. It juts off east from the old northbound SR 37 lanes near the Parker Pools business (seen in the above photos). Adjacent to the new northbound mainline is the old northbound roadway of SR 37, which now will be utilized as a local access road. At this time, the access road lanes are closed north of Fox Hollow Road. Around the curve (right), the old SR 37 northbound lanes once again become the mainline north. Earthwork is now underway (right) to extend the access road to Chambers Pike, which is located about where the water tower is. To the left of the concrete barrier wall, sub-base and base material have been applied for a segment of the western access road.

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Closer look at the construction underway between Fox Hollow Road and Chambers Pike. Not visible, however, is the under construction overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over the mainline as well as the western access road. It will be located just to the east (right) of where the water tower sits.

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Perspective showing the old northbound lanes of SR 37 closed at Fox Hollow Road; looking north.

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Another look south toward the Sample Road overpass and interchange. In the foreground right is on the western access road. In the deep background, the eastern local access road is visible. It swings around behind the Mobil/Circle K Mart, intersects with a roundabout on Sample Road, then links into the old northbound lanes of SR 37 (far left).

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 07, 2018, 11:20:38 PM

A few more. Again, photos were taken Sunday, March 4, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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About 3/4 mile south of Sample Road, earthwork is underway to extend the eastern local access road. It appears the roadbed is to be raised to almost to that of mainline. Fortunately, this rough spot is limited in scope–about 300 yards–after which the terrain becomes more level. Direction: looking south.

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Where the pavement ends–the present terminus of the eastern local access road south of Sample Road, as viewed through storm sewer conduits; looking north.

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Perspective of the Sample Road overpass and interchange depicting the path of the northbound exit ramp (right); looking north.

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Signage at the western roundabout of the Sample Road interchange; looking northwest.

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Another view of the Sample Road overpass; looking north. Driveways that previously had direct access to southbound SR 37 now link into the local access road.

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Southbound SR 37 signage south of Sample Road; looking south. (Hmm ... now what's that's called ... ah, yes, alliteration!) The overpasses carry, respectfully, N. Walnut Street/College Ave (nearest) and Kinser Pike. You've seen this view before, but with the clearer weather and better light I wanted to see if a better picture could be taken. You be the judge.

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This photo of the eastern access road under construction is more popular than others, so here it is.

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Just beyond the Sample Road overpass, a truck heads south on SR 37 as evening beings to fall; looking north.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 08, 2018, 09:35:25 AM
I've always wondered why College Avenue was signed along SR 37. To my knowledge College Avenue doesn't begin until after the SR 45/46 bypass where Walnut Street splits up into the one-way pair with College Avenue. North of there the road is just Walnut Street so why is College Avenue signed here? I guess no one's confused by this, but shouldn't it be signed as "to" College Avenue. I may just be over-complicating things, I was just curious.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on March 09, 2018, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 08, 2018, 09:35:25 AM
I've always wondered why College Avenue was signed along SR 37. To my knowledge College Avenue doesn't begin until after the SR 45/46 bypass where Walnut Street splits up into the one-way pair with College Avenue. North of there the road is just Walnut Street so why is College Avenue signed here? I guess no one's confused by this, but shouldn't it be signed as "to" College Avenue. I may just be over-complicating things, I was just curious.

IIRC, the section of Old 37 that runs along Cascades Park is, or at least was, considered to be a part of College Ave. after the 4-lane highway opened.

Google Maps calls that stretch "Old Martinsville Rd."  It was just Old 37 when I lived there (1957-73).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 09, 2018, 12:26:31 PM
I am truly amazed at the progress speed on this stretch in the past year.  If left to that consortium, I'm not sure that the work would be done even during the year 2020.  I talked to a sub-sub contractor on the project, and he said that there were so many complaints that the work would be here, there, and then over there.  There was nothing that appeared coordinated so that they would have to move construction equipment from one portion of the project to another, when they could have just moved it a few hundred yards to a mile to work on the next portion of the project.  I also fail to see how that would have saved money.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 19, 2018, 12:20:32 AM
As it was Sunday, I went out for a drive. The plan was to check out the Liberty Church interchange in Morgan County, however, traffic backed up a little north of Sample Road, so I exited near the Chambers Pike work zone because I didn't want to spend 30 minutes in bumper to bumper. I'll try to make it up to Morgan County in the next couple weeks.

Here's a few pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, March 18, 2018.

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Looking north toward the future overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Monroe County, Indiana. Work to construct a concrete barrier wall between the southbound mainline and the western local access road is ongoing. The crossing road in the foreground is N. Crossover Road.

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Closer look at the future Chambers Pike overpass. It's won't be long before the precast bridge beams will be put in place. This is the only remaining overpass in Section 5 that has yet to have beams installed. Note that the western access road will go under the overpass (right where the excavator sits), and then on a bit will link into Burma Road.

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Looking south from near the N. Crossover Road/SR 37 crossing toward the path of the future western local access road. From this point it's about three miles south to the interchange at Sample Road.

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The current access point at N. Crossover Road; looking north. It can take some time for a break in the traffic to occur.

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Another perspective of the work zone at Chambers Pike; looking north.

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Closer look at the concrete barrier wall south of the future Chambers Pike overpass; looking north.

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Long range view of the work zone. The gap in the concrete barrier wall is to allow access to N. Crossover Road.

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And one more. Quality on Tap!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 19, 2018, 07:33:55 AM
Here is what INDOT says regarding the progress so far:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (March 18, 2018) — Traffic in the northern section of the I-69 Section 5 construction zone remains in single lane configuration on the southbound lanes of SR 37, and connections to both Pine Boulevard and Turkey Track Road (also called Old SR 37 South) to the east are permanently closed. 
The Walnut Street interchange will close on Monday and is expected to remain closed until mid-to-late April. The official detour is the SR 46 interchange approximately 3.5 miles to the south. North Old SR 37 north of the Liberty Church interchange will close on Monday for approximately two weeks to allow for drainage improvements.
The following restrictions will be in place for the week of March 12:
-   The right lanes of both northbound and southbound SR 37 at Tapp Road will be closed daily from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday for ongoing bridge work and to treat the median subgrade in preparation for paving operations.
-   Work continues on the 2nd Street Bridge (SR 45) with no changes in traffic configuration. Traffic on the bridge deck is reduced to one lane eastbound and one lane westbound.
-   At the 3rd Street Bridge (SR 48), beginning Wednesday there will be a single lane closure on westbound 3rd Street from Gates Drive to Liberty Drive to continue work on signal and light pole foundations. The eastbound right lane will be closed daily from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. for pavement removal and bridge construction.
-   There will be daily lane restrictions on both north and southbound SR 37 from 3rd Street (SR 48) to Vernal Pike for median drainage work adjacent to the median barrier wall.
-   Flagging operations will be in place Monday and Tuesday at Industrial Drive west of SR 37 to allow for deep patching and paving operations.
-   From Wednesday through Friday, the left lane of northbound SR 37 will be closed daily from Arlington Road to Kinser Pike for median drainage work.
-   Work continues at the interchange of SR 37 and SR 46.  The right lane of southbound SR 37 to the westbound SR 46 ramp will be closed for the installation of concrete curbing. Eastbound SR 46 traffic can now access SR 37 north, but will do so in a yielded merge condition. Motorists are urged to exercise caution when merging on to SR 37, and come to a complete stop if necessary until it is safe to proceed.
-   The intersection of Acuff and Prow roads east of SR 37 is closed until on or around April 15 to make intersection improvements.
-   There will be daily single lane restrictions on both north and southbound SR 37 at Sample Road to allow for continuing bridge work.
-   All week there will be a daily lane closure of southbound SR 37 from Stone Belt Drive (approximately on mile north of the interchange) to the Walnut Street interchange for pavement milling and placement.
-    The right lane of northbound SR 37 will be closed daily from Fox Hollow Road to Chambers Pike for shoulder improvements and drainage work.
-   North Old SR 37 north of the Liberty Church interchange will be closed for approximately two weeks to allow for drainage improvements in advance of the eventual permanent closure of North Old SR 37.
Motorists traveling north from Bloomington and wishing to avoid potential delays on SR 37 are strongly encouraged to stay off of county roads and use the alternate routes of SR 46 east to I-65 north and SR 46 west to SR 67 north.
As the volume of construction activity increases, motorists are urged to reduce their speed, pay attention to changing traffic conditions, and drive with no distractions.  All construction activity is weather dependent and the schedule is subject to change
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 02, 2018, 02:05:17 PM

It wasn't the best day for taking pictures, but I decided to motor up to Morgan County to snap a few. I also made a stop near the Chambers Pike work zone.

Despite the wet and chilly weather of the past two weeks, considerable progress continues to be made on Section 5. In northern Monroe County, the bridge beams for the overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over future I-69 were put in place during overnight hours last week. As it rained quite a bit, finding enough time when the work could be carried out safely must have been a challenge. But they did it.

Photos were taken Sunday, April 1, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Liberty Church Road interchange; Morgan County, Indiana

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Looking north toward the future on-ramp to northbound Interstate 69 from Liberty Church Road. Currently, work is underway to replace and widen the mainline bridge over Jordan Creek. The bridge is being expanded to accommodate the northbound on-ramp. On the right is the new local access road that will link into the Liberty Church Road interchange.

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Here's where the eastern local access road will intersect with Liberty Church Road; looking north. The road will be tagged Old SR 37 S as about 1/2 mile further on it hooks into Old SR 37.


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Long range perspective from near the Liberty Church Road overpass, showing the northbound on-ramp and the adjacent local access road; looking north. Although officially closed to traffic, vehicles (I saw two) are going around barriers to utilize the Liberty Church Road overpass to cross over SR 37.

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Another view from the overpass; looking north.

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Closer look at the Jordan Creek bridge work just north of the Liberty Church Road overpass; looking north.

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Long range view; looking north from the Liberty Church Road overpass. On the left are the bridges over Jordan Creek that carry, respectfully, the western local access road (far left) and the southbound off-ramp to Liberty Church Road.

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Another perspective; looking slightly northeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 02, 2018, 03:37:28 PM

Here's a few more from the Liberty Church Road work zone. Again, photos were taken Sunday, April 1, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Liberty Church Road interchange work zone; Morgan County, Indiana
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Looking south from the overpass that will carry Liberty Church Road over future Interstate 69. At this time, all traffic, both north and southbound, is sharing the southbound  lanes of SR 37, as it was necessary to close the northbound lanes for construction. Crews are currently replacing a bridge over Little Indian Creek (background, red crane) and installing an upgraded culvert (foreground left, yellow crane).

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Different perspective; looking south. On the right are the western local access road (far right), which I believe will take the name Turkey Track Road, and the future I-69 southbound on-ramp from Liberty Church Road. The crossing road in the mid-foreground is Liberty Church Road (left) and Godsey Road (right). While Liberty Church is closed off, Godsey Road is currently an access point to SR 37. Note that southbound traffic is using what will be the future shoulder of southbound I-69.

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Closer look at the work underway on the northbound lanes just south of the Liberty Church Road overpass. Crews are replacing the mainline bridge over Little Indian Creek (background) and also installing what appears to be a culvert (foreground).

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Another look; looking south. Note how the local access road (right) links into Turkey Track Rd., which veers off right into over the hill, after which it intersects with Paragon Road. Paragon Road is a rural arterial that runs west, crossing over the White River just east of Paragon, Indiana. Between Martinsville and Spencer, Indiana, to the southwest, there are only two crossings of the White River–Paragon Road and N. County Line Rd. at Gosport, Indiana. With no planned I-69 interchange at Paragon Road, Godsey Road, which links into the Liberty Church Rd. interchange as well as Paragon Road, will become the area's main arterial. Also note the SR 37 traffic as it crests the hill in the deep background (expand the photo).

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Long range perspective looking south from the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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And one more, looking south from the overpass, with the base for a sign in the foreground.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 02, 2018, 04:19:40 PM

And here's a few from the Chamber Pike work zone in Monroe County. Photos were taken Sunday, April 1, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over future I-69 in northern Monroe County, Indiana; looking north. To the right of the east abutment, where earthwork is ongoing, the path of the eastern local access road is discernable. This road curves around and intersects with Chambers Pike. Drivers who wish to access Interstate 69 from this point will take the access road about 2 1/2 miles south to the I-69 interchange at Sample Road.

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Closer look at the Chambers Pike overpass; looking north. Bridge beams were put in place just days earlier during overnight hours. Note the western local access road runs under the overpass (left section) and does not intersect with Chambers Pike. Just beyond the overpass, it links into W. Burma Road, which serves as a minor arterial for this area of northern Monroe County. Interesting how the overpass slightly twists and curves to reflect the rural road it will carry.

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Long range view of the Chambers Pike work zone; looking north.

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Perspective of the work zone and overpass from underneath a Komatsu PC1100 excavator, one very impressive machine.

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Another look at the Komatsu PC1100 excavator positioned near the Chambers Pike work zone.

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And one more, another longer long range perspective of the Chambers Pike overpass and work zone.

That's all for now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on April 03, 2018, 12:56:48 AM
Drove the section on Friday....

They are hauling BUTT! I don't doubt major completion in a few months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ChimpOnTheWheel on April 07, 2018, 12:45:56 PM
Anyone know when the actual Section 5 from I-69/SR 37 south of Bloomington to SR 39 will be complete?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on April 09, 2018, 11:42:42 AM
It shows May 31st 2018 but it may be past that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 09, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on April 09, 2018, 11:42:42 AM
It shows May 31st 2018 but it may be past that

that soon? i thought it was august !
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on April 09, 2018, 02:31:25 PM
If they can get four lanes of unimpeded traffic going from Bloomington to Martinsville with no stoplights and the local access roads open, then that would functionally count as "completed".

Completed freeways with ongoing construction of new interchanges are fairly common.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ChimpOnTheWheel on April 09, 2018, 07:20:32 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on April 09, 2018, 11:42:42 AM
It shows May 31st 2018 but it may be past that
I-69, open May 31? I also thought it was August. I mean, I know the interchanges are opening May 31, but I'm wondering about I-69 itself.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on April 10, 2018, 05:03:56 PM
Per Wikipedia, it shows May 31st 2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 10, 2018, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: ChimpOnTheWheel on April 07, 2018, 12:45:56 PM
Anyone know when the actual Section 5 from I-69/SR 37 south of Bloomington to SR 39 will be complete?
When the State of Indiana took control over Section 5 on August 14, 2017, the "substantial completion" date was reset to August 31, 2018. This date has not changed. Substantial completion is the stage when the road and the related interchanges are fully open to traffic. There may be some work still ongoing, but it will be minor and lanes closures are unlikely, unless absolutely necessary. The substantial completion date, I believe, also is the point when SR 37 becomes I-69. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Quote from: IndyAgent on April 10, 2018, 05:03:56 PM
Per Wikipedia, it shows May 31st 2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana)
That date was incorrect. I updated it to August 31, 2018.

As for the new interchanges, there are only three where construction work is ongoing: (1) Tapp Road; (2) Sample Road; and (3) Liberty Church Road in Morgan County. The interchange at Tapp is partially open. Northbound SR 37 traffic can exit at Tapp, and traffic on Tapp east of the mainline can enter SR 37 north. The deck pour for the Tapp Road overpass is scheduled for this week, and the interchange is expected to be fully open by the end of May.

The interchange at Sample Road is also partially open to traffic. Southbound SR 37 traffic can exit at Sample, and traffic on Sample west of SR 37 can enter SR 37 south. While bridge crews are working long hours, the interchange at Sample will be the last Section 5 interchange to fully open, probably in July or August. At Liberty Church Road, the overpass is completed, but because not all the ramps are not fully connected into the mainline, the interchange is not open. Construction of the northbound on-ramp is going to take a while, as work on the bridge that will carry it over Jordan Creek (as well as the mainline) only recently got underway in March. It's possible, however, the Liberty Church Road overpass will be opened in the next month or so to allow local traffic to safely cross over SR 37.

Liberty Church Road interchange; Morgan County
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Looking north from the Liberty Church Road overpass toward construction to replace the mainline bridge over Jordan Creek on northbound SR 37. The bridge is being widened to accommodate the on-ramp to northbound I-69 from Liberty Church Road. A sliver of the ramp, leading up to the pile of rubble, is discernible on the right. (For a better look, expand the photo–Right Click, View Image, etc.) The bridge on the far right, also crossing Jordan Creek, will carry the new local access road. Just beyond the curve in the background, Section 5 comes to an end.

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Another vantage point, again looking north from Liberty Church Road overpass. The future on-ramp to northbound I-69 is more clearly shown, as are the other four bridges that cross over Jordan Creek–eastern access road (right); western access road (far left); mainline southbound and southbound exit ramp to Liberty Church Road. Until the widened northbound mainline/ramp bridge completes, the interchange cannot be fully opened. Time wise, the bridge reconstruction and widening is probably a 120- or 150-day project, so we're looking at late June or July.

The above photos were taken April 1, 2018.

Edit: Edits for grammar and readability; added material to captions; added second picture.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 20, 2018, 04:30:46 PM

For those of you who wish to follow Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project more closely, the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) has created and maintained very useful webpages for both Section 5 (Bloomington to Martinsville) and the upcoming Section 6 (Martinsville to Indianapolis), as well as the earlier completed Sections 1—4 (Evansville to Bloomington). Perhaps the more useful and informative are the "map" pages, which depict the final configuration of the roadway and its associated interchanges, overpasses, and local access roads.

Here's an example:

Map 15 – Section 5; Liberty Chruch Road to Legendary Road

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Courtesy Indiana Department of Transportation
This map depicts the future I-69 interchange at Liberty Church Road in Morgan County, Indiana. This interchange is located about three miles south of the town of Martinsville, and 17 miles north of Bloomington. The map is oriented sideways, with the compass direction "north" to the right. Note the five bridges over Jordan Creek, just north of the overpass, as well as how the eastern access (or frontage) road connects into Old SR 37. On the other side of the mainline (top), the western access road connects into Legendary Road and the housing development.

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Courtesy Indiana Department of Transportation
Here's the map oriented geographically, with "north" top, etc. About a mile west (left) of the mainline is one of Indiana's principal rivers, the White River. All that farmland pictured west of the roadway is floor plain. When the access road and ramps were constructed, the ground was built up to some extent with this in mind. If any development is to occur near this interchange (and, eventually, it will), it will be located east of the mainline.

Here's the link to INDOT's I-69 webpages:

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2528.htm

Also of interest on the INDOT webpages are the Construction and Traffic Updates for Section 5, which provide from time to time, detailed information on lane closures, etc. This information is usually posted, but not always, on the Section 5 Facebook page, which I will link here for convenience.

https://www.facebook.com/I69Section5INDOT/

As for the upcoming Section 6 project, with construction expected to commence less than two years from now, INDOT is currently publishing and uploading a newsletter–"The Scoop on I-69 Section 6". Here's the link to the 3rd Quarter 2017 issue:

http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I-69%20Section%206%20Quarterly%20Newsletter%20V2I3.pdf



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 24, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
To keep everyone abreast of what's going on with Section 5, here's a brief construction update. The information that follows was released by INDOT April 18, 2018, and was then published in the Herald-Times, south-central Indiana's main newspaper. Sometimes these updates are published on INDOT's I-69 webpage or on its I-69 Facebook page, but sometimes not.

Construction Update


- Access from State Road 37 to Old State Road 37 north of the Liberty Church Road in Morgan County was permanently closed last week for construction of the new frontage road.

Old State Road 37 crossing, north of Liberty Church Road

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Looking northeast toward the SR 37/Old State Road 37 crossing–now closed–about 1/2 mile north of Liberty Church Road in Morgan County. The new eastern local access (or frontage) road will connect into Old State Road 37 here, just east of the mainline. For the time being, drivers who wish to access SR 37 can take Old SR 37 to Burton Lane, which will get them to SR 37 in Martinsville.

Other points:

- Wylie Road east of SR 37 can no longer be accessed from SR 37 as of last week. The access point was closed off for the continuing construction of eastern local access road that will link into the future Sample Road interchange. As the frontage road completes, Wylie Road will be connected to it via a T intersection.

- The intersection at Acuff and Prow road in Monroe County in now reopen. Work was undertaken there to upgrade the intersection. Previously, Acuff Road could be accessed from SR 37, but that point was permanently sealed off.

- Work continues on the overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over I-69 in northern Monroe County. Last week there were periodic 20-minute closures of SR 37 during overnight hours for bridge work.

- Near Tapp Road, bridge work and paving operations have been underway. Crews have been paving the inner lanes in this area, which when complete traffic will be shifted onto so work and paving can proceed on the outside shoulders and southbound ramps to/from the future Tapp Road interchange.

- Upgrade work continues on the Second Street/SR 45 and Third Street/SR 48 bridges in Bloomington. At the SR 48 interchange, construction of new signal and light pole foundations is underway, as well as work to widen ramps and improve drainage.

- Between the Third Street/SR 48 bridge and the Vernal Pike overpass drainage work on the outside shoulders continues.

- Median drainage work between Arlington Road and Kinser Pike, just north of Bloomington proper, also continues.

- There have been and are daily single lane closures on SR 37 for bridge work at Sample Road.

- Milling and paving operations on the southbound lanes of SR 37 between Stone Belt Drive and the N. Walnut Street partial interchange has been ongoing.

- In northern Monroe County, between Fox Hollow Road and Chambers Pike, construction to improve outside shoulders and drainage continues; the right lane is closed, and the normal two northbound lanes are funneled down to one.

Work is underway all up and down the 23-miles of Section 5, proceeding at a brisk pace. The construction listed above mainly deals with areas affecting traffic. Other significant work is ongoing as well, particularly on the frontage roads. Both the bridge decks at Tapp Road and Sample Road have been poured. In an earlier post, I stated the Sample Road interchange would fully complete and open in July or early August. That may still be the case, but to my untrained eye, it could very well be sooner.

To deviate slightly from Interstate 69 construction, here's a tidbit from the past:

Old State Road 37/Dixie Highway bridge over Indian Creek

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This is the still extant truss bridge that carried Old State Road 37 (aka Dixie Highway) over Indian Creek in Morgan County, Indiana. If you closely examine the StreetView photo above (or better yet, use Google Maps), the treeline east of SR 37 (but barely visible beneath the ridge line) indicates the course of Indian Creek. The bridge is located just beyond the clump of trees adjacent to the northbound lanes, about five hundred feet east of SR 37. Indian Creek and the mainline SR 37 bridges that cross it also are the dividing line between Section 5 and Section 6; Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges.

More pictures to come.

Edit: Minor edits for grammar and readability; enlarged photo.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 24, 2018, 07:09:42 PM
Although it was overcast, I ventured out with the camera for a look-see. Photos were taken Sunday, April 22, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

State Road 37 in Monroe County, Indiana, north of Bloomington
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Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from a vantage point about a 1/2 south of future I-69/Sample Road interchange. In the background are the overpasses that carry, respectfully, N. Walnut Street/College Ave. (nearest) and Kinser Pike. Also visible are the trio of mainline bridges that cross Griffy Creek (most distant), Beanblossom Creek, and Beanblossom Overflow (nearest). Crews have been working on the outer roadway and shoulders in and around the bridges, placing new base material and grading, with paving operations soon to follow. The N. Walnut Street/College Avenue southbound exit ramp, which had been closed for ramp work, was recently reopened.

Eastern Local Access Road Construction, south of Sample Road
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The state of construction to extend the eastern local access (or frontage) road south of the future Sample Road interchange; looking south. Work is underway to construct a large and deep MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) retaining wall.

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Here's the same area as above just six weeks ago. Photo was taken March 4, 2018.

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Another perspective of the work underway to construct the eastern frontage road south of Sample Road, giving some idea how long the retaining wall is; looking north. The structure pictured is a water booster pump station. Before construction could commence on the frontage road, rather extensive utility relocation work has to be undertaken in this vicinity.

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Still another view, looking south, of the retaining wall; and, yes, it is truly impressive, perhaps as much as 20 feet in height.

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Stringers, which are used to construct the retaining wall. With each new layer of compacted gravel, the stringers tighten, pulling the MSE panels inward.

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Long range view of the frontage work zone south of Sample Road; looking north. The sign for the CircleK/Mobil station near Sample Road is visible in the background left.

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Another view looking south toward SR 37. In the deep background is the Kinser Pike overpass. Kinser Pike can be seen on the right, curving down the hill where it it crosses Beanblossom Creek and connects to Bottom Road. While not visible, Griffy Creek and Beanblossom Creek merge just south and west of the N. Walnut Street overpass. From then on, Beanblossom Creek flows northwest, twisting and turning, before emptying into the West Fork of the White River near Gosport, Indiana.

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And one more of the retaining wall; looking north. Ensuring the fiber optic cable remains undisturbed will undoubtedly keep nearby residents happy.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on April 24, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Are all MSE walls filled with gravel?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 24, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 24, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Are all MSE walls filled with gravel?
That's a good question. While I don't know the answer, I have noticed in Section 5 the MSE wing walls of overpasses, as well as the above retaining wall, have been backfilled with stone aggregate. There is probably other material that could be used, and is being used, in the U.S., but what minimum standards are applicable–density, compactness, etc.–I am not knowledgeable.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 24, 2018, 11:03:40 PM
Once again, to the pictures. The photos of the Sample Road work zone were taken Sunday, April 22, 2018, while those at Tapp Road were taken April 21, 2018.

Sample Road overpass and interchange, Monroe County
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Looking north toward State Road 37 and construction of the Sample Road overpass and interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. With traffic backed up in the northbound lanes, it appears an incident of some sort has happened. It's also possible this is typical as about one mile north, the two northbound lanes are merged to one due to shoulder and drainage work between Fox Hollow Road and Chambers Pike.

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Closer look at the Sample Road overpass and signage; looking north. In the background a vehicle is accessing SR 37 southbound via the temporary Sample Road crossing point. These temp entrances and exits to SR 37 have proved workable, but drivers must be alert and have patience, as the access points have been the locations of accidents time and again.

Tapp Road overpass and interchange
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The overpass that will carry Tapp Road over future Interstate 69 in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. Last week the deck received its concrete pour; it was then covered with plastic sheeting to ensure proper curing. Often during warm weather, a drip hose is used to slow the curing process, but I'm not sure that step was employed here. Since it's been about a week, the tarps and sheeting will be removed soon. Crews will now frame up the parapet rebar, followed by concrete pours. After that completes, work will shift to the approach slabs.

Edit: On further examination of the photo, it's the sidewalks of the bridge that have recently had their concrete pours, and are now covered with tarps. That means the main deck pour likely happened the week before last. It appears wet burlap was put down and then covered with plastic sheeting to ensure proper curing. 

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Looking north toward SR 37 from near the Tapp Road overpass. On the left is the sloping path of the southbound exit ramp. Also, take note that the inner areas of the mainline have received additional pavement. Traffic will soon be shifted inward so work can commence on the outer lanes and shoulder, as well as the ramp connection areas.

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The view looking south from the Tapp Road overpass. The southbound entrance ramp appears to be on the verge of being paved.

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A slightly closer perspective looking south from Tapp. Note the recently finished section of median barrier wall, the entirety of which is now fully complete, from the I-69/SR 37 interchange up to the Arlington Road overpass, a distance of about six miles. Around the bend in the background (but not visible) is the overpass of the Fullerton Road interchange.

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Another look south from the Tapp Road work zone. The third and final sound wall component (pictured) of Section 5, running between Fullerton Road and Tapp Road, is nearing completion.

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Another view of the Tapp Road overpass; looking east.

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And one final one, a long range view of the Sample Road work zone with the new local access road in the foreground; looking north.

Edit: Minor edits for readability.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on April 24, 2018, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 24, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 24, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Are all MSE walls filled with gravel?
That's a good question. While I don't know the answer, I have noticed in Section 5 the MSE wing walls of overpasses, as well as the above retaining wall, have been backfilled with stone aggregate. There is probably other material that could be used, and is being used, in the U.S., but what minimum standards are applicable–density, compactness, etc.–I am not knowledgeable.
I can answer this! All MSE walls are backfilled with granular material (i.e. gravel or sand) for drainage purposes. Source: just learned this in my geotech class 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 25, 2018, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: csw on April 24, 2018, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 24, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 24, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Are all MSE walls filled with gravel?
That's a good question. While I don't know the answer, I have noticed in Section 5 the MSE wing walls of overpasses, as well as the above retaining wall, have been backfilled with stone aggregate. There is probably other material that could be used, and is being used, in the U.S., but what minimum standards are applicable–density, compactness, etc.–I am not knowledgeable.
I can answer this! All MSE walls are backfilled with granular material (i.e. gravel or sand) for drainage purposes. Source: just learned this in my geotech class 3 weeks ago

is your professor philipe bordeau (i had him when i was at purdue) or antonio bobet? 

also check out the indot spec book on this, it has all the proper procedures, you are correct in what materials are needed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on April 25, 2018, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 25, 2018, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: csw on April 24, 2018, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 24, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 24, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Are all MSE walls filled with gravel?
That's a good question. While I don't know the answer, I have noticed in Section 5 the MSE wing walls of overpasses, as well as the above retaining wall, have been backfilled with stone aggregate. There is probably other material that could be used, and is being used, in the U.S., but what minimum standards are applicable–density, compactness, etc.–I am not knowledgeable.
I can answer this! All MSE walls are backfilled with granular material (i.e. gravel or sand) for drainage purposes. Source: just learned this in my geotech class 3 weeks ago

is your professor philipe bordeau (i had him when i was at purdue) or antonio bobet? 

also check out the indot spec book on this, it has all the proper procedures, you are correct in what materials are needed.
I haev Bobet, Bourdeau retired last year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 25, 2018, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: csw on April 25, 2018, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 25, 2018, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: csw on April 24, 2018, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 24, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: seicer on April 24, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Are all MSE walls filled with gravel?
That's a good question. While I don't know the answer, I have noticed in Section 5 the MSE wing walls of overpasses, as well as the above retaining wall, have been backfilled with stone aggregate. There is probably other material that could be used, and is being used, in the U.S., but what minimum standards are applicable–density, compactness, etc.–I am not knowledgeable.
I can answer this! All MSE walls are backfilled with granular material (i.e. gravel or sand) for drainage purposes. Source: just learned this in my geotech class 3 weeks ago

is your professor philipe bordeau (i had him when i was at purdue) or antonio bobet? 

also check out the indot spec book on this, it has all the proper procedures, you are correct in what materials are needed.
I haev Bobet, Bourdeau retired last year.

cool, i had him for dynamics, hardest class i ever took!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 30, 2018, 05:10:14 PM

Here's a few more photos. As the pictures attest, Section 5 appears to be rapidly approaching a conclusion. It's now only 123 days away until the project's substantial completion deadline of August 31, 2018. INDOT and its contractors probably will need 90 to 100 full working days to reach that goal. Considering how much work has been accomplished during the previous six months, there's little doubt in my mind they'll do it. If May or June turn out to be wet, they'll still get it done one way or another–weekend work, night work, or simply kicking it into overdrive.

To the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, April 29, 2018,  unless otherwise stated.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 (soon to be Interstate 69) from the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. This is same stretch of roadway pictured in a previous photo, but from the opposite direction. The photo is best viewed expanded (Right Click—View Photo, or whatever your browser requires). In the right background, the stretch of brown earth is the path of the eastern local access (or frontage) road. The yellow excavator indicates the area where the MSE retaining wall (pictured in a earlier post) is under construction. From that point, the frontage road drifts away from the mainline to go behind the Mobil/Circle K Mart; a bit further on, it connects with a roundabout at Sample Road.

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The view looking north toward SR 37 from the overpass that will carry Sample Road over the mainline. In the background right are the old northbound lanes of SR 37, now utilized as a two-way frontage road. The northbound on-ramp from Sample Road will be located about where the heavy equipment is located.

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Another perspective looking north from the Sample Road overpass. Traffic is backed up due to a lane merge up ahead. The crossing is the temporary access point to and from Sample Road. Need gas? Exit here. If heading north, the next opportunity to fill up will be in Martinsville, about 12 miles north; or if motoring south, about 6 miles down the road to Bloomington, and 3/4 mile east of the SR 46/SR 37 interchange.

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Looking south toward the mainline from the Sample Road overpass. On the right and left are the new local access roads, both of which will link into the Sample Road interchange.

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The approach to the Sample Road overpass; looking east. The deck and approach slabs recently had their concrete pours; next step, framing up the parapet walls, with the concrete pours to follow soon after.

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The southbound exit and entrance ramps at Sample Road, and signage; looking slightly northeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 30, 2018, 07:30:12 PM
Continuing from the above post, here's a few more pictures. No use letting them sit in my Flickr account, growing stale. Photos were taken Sunday, April 29, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking northeast toward State Road 37 and the mainline bridges over Griffy Creek (foreground) and Beanblossom Creek (background) in Monroe County, Indiana. These bridges were rebuilt and widened to accommodate the expanded roadway of Interstate 69, which will be three lanes in each direction at this location.

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State Road 37 and the overpass that carries N. Walnut St./College Ave.; looking north. While I don't know exactly when this overpass was constructed, I tend to think it was in the early 1970s. A few years ago, it was rehabbed. As part of Section 5 approval process, instead of being required to build a full interchange, INDOT and the State of Indiana received FHWA permission to retain the overpass and the partial N. Walnut St. interchange. As it is, southbound SR 37 traffic can exit via the ramp and overpass to N. Walnut St., which heads into Bloomington proper. Conversely, northbound N. Walnut St. traffic can only enter SR 37 northbound; the overpass itself only carries exiting southbound traffic.

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Another view of the mainline and the N. Walnut St./College Ave. overpass; looking north. In the background, a vehicle is exiting onto the N. Walnut St. ramp. The black stripe of fresh pavement likely indicates where drainage tubing was installed.

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Long range view looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass. It's almost exactly three miles between the overpass and the crest of the hill in the background.

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Closer look toward SR 37 and the trio of mainline bridges that cross, respectfully, Griffy Creek (nearest), Beanblossom Creek, and Beanblossom Overflow; looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass.

With this recent batch of pictures, as well as those posted previously, almost the entirety of Section 5 has been covered. In the coming weeks and months, I'll poke around to find new perspectives to photograph and to share with the forum.

Edit: Swapped out the "long range view" photo for one that is similar but, perhaps, a little better.
 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 30, 2018, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2018, 07:30:12 PM
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State Road 37 and the overpass that carries N. Walnut St./College Ave.; looking north. While I don't know exactly when this overpass was constructed, I tend to think it was in the early 1970s. A few years ago, it was rehabbed. As part of Section 5 approval process, instead of being required to build a full interchange, INDOT and the State of Indiana received FHWA permission to retain the overpass and the partial N. Walnut St. interchange. As it is, southbound SR 37 traffic can exit via the ramp and overpass to N. Walnut St., which heads into Bloomington proper. Conversely, northbound N. Walnut St. traffic can only enter SR 37 northbound; the overpass itself only carries exiting southbound traffic.
This grade separation was built in 1972, according to the 2006 INDOT Bridge Log. It is listed as SB Walnut St, no mention of College Ave whatsoever, so I have no idea why the signage has always included that distant street. All the existing bridges and grade separations between Arlington Rd and the Beanblossom Creek Overflow (except the new one for Kinser Pike) were built that same year, save for the NB structure over that latter stream, which dates back to 1946 (rehabbed in 1995), according to that log.

BTW, thanks for all your excellent photos and accompanying text that have documented this project so nicely!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 30, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
Does anyone know if names have been assigned to the frontage and local access roads of Section 5? Some incorporate/replace pre-existing roads, so I'm wondering if those names will be used and for what stretches of pavement. To be unambiguous, I will list them below, in sections that may or may not be given the same name:

#1 - Frontage Rd East [Conneaught to Sample]:
section #1a: from Conneaught Rd, past Ellis Rd, past Showers Rd (realigned), past Wylie Rd, to Purcell Rd
section #1b: along pre-existing Purcell Rd
section #1c: from Purcell Rd, then curving right, to pre-existing Wayport Rd (near former S jct w/SR 37)
section #1d: along pre-existing Wayport Rd
section #1e: from Wayport Rd (south of gas station near former N jct w/SR 37) to Sample Rd (East roundabout)

#2 - Frontage Rd West [Charlie Taylor to Sample]:
section #2a: from Charlie Taylor Rd (at Thompson's Furniture), past Griffith Cemetery Rd, past Wylie Rd, to Stone Belt Dr
section #2b: along (or replacing) pre-existing Stone Belt Dr
section #2c: from Stone Belt Dr past Wayport Rd (S jct), past Wayport Rd (N Jct), to Sample Rd (West roundabout)

#3 - Frontage Rd East [Sample to Chambers]:
section #3a: from Sample Rd (East roundabout) to junction old NB lanes of SR 37
section #3b: on old NB lanes of SR 37, past Bloomington Auto Parts, Worm's Way Garden Center, to Winery Rd (TO Duxbury Dr & Thames Dr)
section #3c: on old NB lanes of SR 37, from Winery Rd to Fox Hollow Rd
section #3d: from old NB lanes of SR 37 at Fox Hollow Rd, past former Poynter Sheet Metal, past unnamed road at Crossover Rd (S Jct), to Chambers Pike

#4 - Frontage Rd West [Simpson Chapel to Burma]:
section #4a: along (or replacing) Lee Paul Rd from Simpson Chapel Rd to point where Lee Paul Rd leaves the alignment (S jct)
section #4b: from S jct Lee Paul Rd, past N jct Lee Paul Rd, to Crossover Rd (former S jct near Norm Anderson Rd)
section #4c: from Crossover Rd (former S jct), under Crossover Rd/Chambers Pk grade separation, to S end of Mann Rd
section #4d: along (or replacing) Mann Rd to Sylvan Ln
section #4e: from Sylvan Ln, past Sparks Ln, to Burma Rd

#5 - Access Rd: between Sparks Ln (E of I-69/SR 37) & Chambers Pk
■ I assume this one will be named Sparks Ln, but I could be wrong.

#6 - Access Rd: from Local Service Rd #7 to Old SR 37 South

#7 - Local Service Rd: from residential driveway (~4880S), past Access Rd #6, to residential driveway (~4750S)

#8 - Frontage Rd West [Turkey Track - Liberty Church]:
section #8a: from Turkey Track Rd (~4200S) to pre-existing 1972-era "access road #17" (~4170S)
section #8b: along (or replacing) 1972-era "access road #17"
section #8c: from 1972-era "access road #17" (~3960S), across Little Indian Creek, to Godsey Rd
section #8d: from Godsey Rd to Liberty Church Rd (new alignment)
■ Might be named as a northern extension of Turkey Track Rd, but section #8d could be named Godsey Rd (to maintain connectivity/name continuity with Liberty Church Rd since the two formerly met at their common SR 37 intersection).

#9 - Frontage Rd East: from Old SR 37 South (~4200S) to Old State Road 37 South (~3960S)
■ I assume this one will be named Old SR 37 South, even though it is new, unless the existing roads it reconnects are given a new name.

#10 - Frontage Rd East: from Old SR 37 South (a/k/a Hacker Creek Rd) to Liberty Church Rd (new alignment)
■ I assume this one will also be named Old SR 37 South, even though it is new.

#11 - Frontage Rd West: from Liberty Church Rd (new alignment), over Jordan Creek, past unnamed road, to Legendary Dr

#12 - Frontage Rd East [Liberty Church to Old SR 37 South (2700S)]:
section #12a: from Liberty Church Rd (new alignment) to pre-existing Old SR 37 South (a/k/a Hacker Creek Rd)
section #12b: along/replacing Old SR 37 South (a/k/a Hacker Creek Rd) to Jordan Creek
section #12c: over new Jordan Creek bridge, past Maxwell-Arnold Farm access road, around Maxwell Cemetery, to Old SR 37 South (2700S)
■ A street sign visible in one of the photos in this thread shows that the pre-existing road is named "Old SR 37 S" and not "Hacker Creek Rd" as is depicted by Google Maps.

As long as they don't name any of these roads & streets after politicians, dead or alive, I can probably live with whatever they choose, as long as it makes more sense than some of the former crossroads that wander all over the place on both sides of the old highway.

Also, does anyone know if the soon to be completed NB ramps will connect to Sample Rd at a 3rd roundabout, or will that connection be a standard intersection?

TIA for any information you may be able to provide!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 06, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
Oh, I forgot the northernmost one...
#13 - Access Road [unnamed road to Old SR 37]

From what I can see, some of the above frontage roads are/will NOT be concurrent with, but in between the freeway and the existing parallel street/road (e.g., Stone Belt Dr). I wonder if they're just gonna leave them unnamed and continue to address homes/businesses off of State Road 37?

Also, does Turkey Track Road REALLY cross SR 37 and head back south along Old SR 37, as some of the online mapping services show? This seems to be VERY confusing, especially for addressing purposes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 07, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on April 30, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
Does anyone know if names have been assigned to the frontage and local access roads of Section 5? Some incorporate/replace pre-existing roads, so I'm wondering if those names will be used and for what stretches of pavement. To be unambiguous, I will list them below, in sections that may or may not be given the same name:

#1 - Frontage Rd East [Conneaught to Sample]:
section #1a: from Conneaught Rd, past Ellis Rd, past Showers Rd (realigned), past Wylie Rd, to Purcell Rd
section #1b: along pre-existing Purcell Rd
section #1c: from Purcell Rd, then curving right, to pre-existing Wayport Rd (near former S jct w/SR 37)
section #1d: along pre-existing Wayport Rd
section #1e: from Wayport Rd (south of gas station near former N jct w/SR 37) to Sample Rd (East roundabout)

...

Earlier today I spoke with the Monroe County Public Work Department, and here's what I learned.

#1 - Frontage Rd East [Conneaught Rd to Sample] – from Conneaught Rd north, all the way to the tie in at Chambers Pike, will be signed N. Wayport Road
#2 - Frontage Rd West [Charlie Taylor to Sample] – N. Thompson Ridge Road
#3 - Frontage Rd East [Sample to Chambers] – will be, as mentioned above, N. Wayport Road
#4 - Frontage Rd West [Simpson Chapel to Burma] – W. Burma Road
#5 - Access Rd: between Sparks Ln (E of I-69/SR 37) & Chambers Pk – E. Sparks Lane

It looks like (from the map that was emailed to me) that N. Crossover Road will be re-signed E. Chambers Pike., with termination at the intersection with W. Burma Road. The driveway to Oliver Winery, off of N. Wayport Rd., will be designated E. Winery Road.

As the other frontage roads are located in Morgan County, I have no further info about those at this time.

Quote from: SSR_317 on April 30, 2018, 11:15:29 PMAlso, does anyone know if the soon to be completed NB ramps will connect to Sample Rd at a 3rd roundabout, or will that connection be a standard intersection?

It will be a roundabout. Here's the design layout of the interchange:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/944/40103961170_3461ff4c05_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 07, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
thank goodness they aren't using the boring CR XXX X scheme, and are giving the roads real names.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 07, 2018, 07:34:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 07, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
thank goodness they aren't using the boring CR XXX X scheme, and are giving the roads real names.

Monroe County doesn't number its roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 07, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
It's kind of hard to have a county road grid system when your county has the terrain of Monroe County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 07, 2018, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 07, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
It's kind of hard to have a county road grid system when your county has the terrain of Monroe County.

I'm not sure any county in southern Indiana uses the grid system.  Far more practical in the northern, flatland half of the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 08, 2018, 10:15:19 AM
Gibson County roads are in more of a grid than some of the other counties in the area. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 08, 2018, 06:13:13 PM
i think the only counties in the north that don't do the number system are: Hamilton, Marion, Lake, St. Joseph, Elkhart, and Allen.  side note, i think it's weird that Elkhart isn't the county seat of the county that shares its name!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on May 09, 2018, 01:53:55 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on May 07, 2018, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 07, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
It's kind of hard to have a county road grid system when your county has the terrain of Monroe County.

I'm not sure any county in southern Indiana uses the grid system.  Far more practical in the northern, flatland half of the state.

Actually, most do use a grid, except for Perry (terrain) and Vanderburgh.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 09, 2018, 08:59:18 AM
Pike County has a basic grid.  Warrick and Posey County have numbers assigned, but they are not posted.  They mostly go by road names.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 09, 2018, 03:33:23 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2018, 06:13:13 PM
i think the only counties in the north that don't do the number system are: Hamilton, Marion, Lake, St. Joseph, Elkhart, and Allen.  side note, i think it's weird that Elkhart isn't the county seat of the county that shares its name!
At least Elkhart being in the county of the same name makes sense. Unlike the city of Marion not being in Marion County, Madison not being in Madison County, and Jeffersonville not being in Jefferson County.

BTW, Monroe County DID once have numbered county roads, but because of the aforementioned problem of hilly terrain making them not fit into a proper grid, the county gave them all names at some point. Not sure exactly when that happened, but it was long before I went to IU back in the mid-1970s. You can still see references to the former names on some older printed maps, and even on a few online ones. For example, the N-S part of Sample Rd was Co Rd 50 E, Mel Curry Rd used to be Co Rd 500 E, and Tapp Rd was once Co Rd 200 S. Ironically, the busy part of the SR 37 "bypass" (soon to be I-69) between 3rd St/Whitehall Pike & Tapp Road sits almost exactly on the alignment of what would have been Co Rd 200 W and to this day is the dividing line between Bloomington Township and Van Buren Township.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 09, 2018, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 07, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on April 30, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
Does anyone know if names have been assigned to the frontage and local access roads of Section 5? Some incorporate/replace pre-existing roads, so I'm wondering if those names will be used and for what stretches of pavement. To be unambiguous, I will list them below, in sections that may or may not be given the same name:

#1 - Frontage Rd East [Conneaught to Sample]:
section #1a: from Conneaught Rd, past Ellis Rd, past Showers Rd (realigned), past Wylie Rd, to Purcell Rd
section #1b: along pre-existing Purcell Rd
section #1c: from Purcell Rd, then curving right, to pre-existing Wayport Rd (near former S jct w/SR 37)
section #1d: along pre-existing Wayport Rd
section #1e: from Wayport Rd (south of gas station near former N jct w/SR 37) to Sample Rd (East roundabout)

...

Earlier today I spoke with the Monroe County Public Work Department, and here's what I learned.

#1 - Frontage Rd East [Conneaught Rd to Sample] – from Conneaught Rd north, all the way to the tie in at Chambers Pike, will be signed N. Wayport Road
#2 - Frontage Rd West [Charlie Taylor to Sample] – N. Thompson Ridge Road
#3 - Frontage Rd East [Sample to Chambers] – will be, as mentioned above, N. Wayport Road
#4 - Frontage Rd West [Simpson Chapel to Burma] – W. Burma Road
#5 - Access Rd: between Sparks Ln (E of I-69/SR 37) & Chambers Pk – E. Sparks Lane

It looks like (from the map that was emailed to me) that N. Crossover Road will be re-signed E. Chambers Pike., with termination at the intersection with W. Burma Road. The driveway to Oliver Winery, off of N. Wayport Rd., will be designated E. Winery Road.

As the other frontage roads are located in Morgan County, I have no further info about those at this time.

Quote from: SSR_317 on April 30, 2018, 11:15:29 PMAlso, does anyone know if the soon to be completed NB ramps will connect to Sample Rd at a 3rd roundabout, or will that connection be a standard intersection?

It will be a roundabout. Here's the design layout of the interchange:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/944/40103961170_3461ff4c05_b.jpg)

Many thanks, ITB! Winery Rd has actually been signed for years, though some maps erroneously call it Duxbury Dr. That dead-end street splits from Winery Rd a few feet east of the former junction with SR 37, along with Thames Dr (which goes south from that intersection as well).

It's rather ironic that the Crossover Rd name will go away, now that it will literally "cross over" the highway. But it makes far more sense to just re-sign it as Chambers Pike, which it became at the median centerline of SR 37 heading north anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 09, 2018, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2018, 06:13:13 PM
i think the only counties in the north that don't do the number system are: Hamilton, Marion, Lake, St. Joseph, Elkhart, and Allen.  side note, i think it's weird that Elkhart isn't the county seat of the county that shares its name!

Elkhart does number their county roads, but they don't use they directional system commonly found in other counties.  They number county roads with even numbers for E-W roads progressing from north to south and with odd numbers for N-S roads progressing from east to west.

St. Joseph doesn't number any of its county roads.  Marshall county does not number N-S roads.  E-W roads are numbered based on the number of miles south of the St. Joseph county lines, with lettered suffixes A-C indicating quarters of a mile (9C road is 9 3/4 miles south of the county line)

Hamilton County doesn't number N-S roads but E-W roads are numbered as an extension of Indy's street numbering system, running from 96th St to 296th St.

Gary's Avenue numbering system for E-W streets extends out to county roads in Lake County. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 09, 2018, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 09, 2018, 05:22:01 PM
Elkhart does number their county roads, but they don't use they directional system commonly found in other counties.  They number county roads with even numbers for E-W roads progressing from north to south and with odd numbers for N-S roads progressing from east to west.
DeKalb County uses the same system as Elkhart County. Ohio & Switzerland Counties also do not use the grid system (again, terrain). Washington county appears to have only a couple or roads that use the "Co Rd nnnn x" convention.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 14, 2018, 12:24:34 PM
Per INDOT:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (May 13, 2018) — With construction continuing on the Tapp Road, 2nd Street and 3rd Street bridges, motorists can expect delays when driving cross town in Bloomington. Other east-west routes such as Fullterton Pike, Vernal Pike and SR 46 might be longer distances, but could reduce travel times.
Motorists traveling between Indianapolis and Bloomington and wishing to avoid potential delays on SR 37 are strongly encouraged to stay off of county roads and use the alternate routes of SR 135, I-65 and SR 67.
The following restrictions will be in place this week:
-   On Sunday, May 13 and Monday, May 14, traffic will be shifted to the outside lanes of both northbound and southbound SR 37 from just south of Rockport Road to the Vernal Pike overpass to allow paving operations to begin.  Paving will start on the inside lanes, and additional traffic shifts will occur next week as paving progresses.
-   The current traffic configuration on 2nd Street (SR 45) remains in place.  On Tuesday, May 15, law enforcement will assist with flagging operations at the intersection of 2nd Street and Liberty Drive for installation of new traffic signals.  Flagging will occur from noon until 4 p.m.
-   The traffic pattern on 3rd Street (SR 48) is scheduled to change on Tuesday, May 15.  Traffic will be shifted to the south side of the overpass, and there will be a daily closure of one westbound lane during this phase of construction.  Crews will be excavating for installation of MSE walls, removing pavement and preparing for installation of signals, lighting fixtures and sidewalks.
-   On Wednesday, May 16, law enforcement will assist with flagging operations at the intersection of 3rd Street and the southbound on and off ramps to SR 37 for the installation of new strand poles for traffic signals.  Flagging will take place from 2-4 p.m.
-   On Saturday, May 19, law enforcement will assist with flagging operations at the intersection of 3rd Street and the northbound on and off ramps to SR 37 for the installation of new strand poles for traffic signals.  The flagging will be in place from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m.
-   There will be daily single lane restrictions on both northbound and southbound SR 37 from Sample Road to the Walnut Street interchange on and off ramps.  The restrictions are needed for paving operations and to make improvements to median drains.
 
-   The right lane of northbound SR 37 from Fox Hollow Road to Chambers Pike will be closed to make outside shoulder improvements and to allow for additional drainage work. 
The single lane configuration in the northern section of the I-69 Section 5 work zone remains in place.  Motorists are reminded to stay in their travel lane, and that the center lane is only for turns at specified locations.
The speed limit throughout the entire work zone remains 45 miles per hour.  Motorists are urged to leave ample space between vehicles and to be aware of changing traffic conditions.
All construction activity is weather dependent and the schedule is subject to change.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 16, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Here's a few pictures of the Tapp Road/State Road 37 work zone in Bloomington. Photos were taken May 14, 2018, unless other noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

Tapp Road interchange
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The view of the future I-69/Tapp Road overpass and interchange in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking southeast. Both the southbound entrance and exit ramps were recently paved. Crews are working to complete the western roundabout and the approach road to the overpass.

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Slightly closer look at the Tapp Road overpass and the work underway; looking southeast.

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The southbound exit ramp to Tapp Road and the point where it will link into the roundabout; looking south.

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Close up look of the Tapp Road overpass and a team at work; looking southeast.

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Looking north from near the Tapp Road overpass toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69). In the background is the State Road 45/Bloomfield Road overpass.

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The Tapp Road lead up to the western roundabout and overpass; looking east. Photo was taken May 13, 2018.

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Here's the opposite view of Tapp Road and the roundabout approach; looking west. May 13, 2018.

Few more to come.

Edit: swapped out a photo for a similar but better image
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 16, 2018, 10:04:09 PM
As the above photos depict, the interchange at Tapp Road is nearing completion. The interchange is scheduled to open by Memorial Day, May 28th, depending, of course, on the weather.

Here's a few more pictures of the Tapp Road overpass and nearby work zone. Photos were taken Sunday, May 13, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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The deck of the Tapp Road overpass; looking east. Note the wide sidewalks.

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The ornamental lighting and aesthetic railing treatment of the Tapp Road overpass; looking east. All the road overpasses crossing I-69 within the city limits of Bloomington will feature this lighting and railing treatment.

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Closer look of the railing; looking north.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 and the SR 45 [Bloomfield Road]/SR 37 interchange from the Tapp Road overpass.

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The view of SR 37 looking south from the Tapp Road overpass.

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The Tapp Road overpass with an excavator in the foreground; looking southeast.

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Another perspective of SR 37 looking north from near the Tapp Road overpass.

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SR 37 and the future southbound entrance ramp from Tapp; looking slightly southeast.

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Looking north toward SR 37 through the decorative railing of the Tapp Road overpass.

That's all for now.

Edit: grammar; minor wording change.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2018, 06:22:30 PM
As always ITB, wonderful pictures.

There's one thing that's been bothering me, though. In this picture, the noise wall bows out for a bit, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. From the satellite images, there seems to be nothing there that would require it.

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Quote from: ITB on May 16, 2018, 10:04:09 PM
SR 37 and the future southbound entrance ramp from Tapp; looking slightly southeast.

I can never remember if slightly southeast means slightly south of east or slightly east of south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on May 18, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2018, 06:22:30 PM
As always ITB, wonderful pictures.

There's one thing that's been bothering me, though. In this picture, the noise wall bows out for a bit, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. From the satellite images, there seems to be nothing there that would require it.

The one thing that comes to mind is some kind of underground utility junction (electric, water, sewer) that would have been more expensive to move back than to build a wall around. I remember a gas monitoring well on the original construction of I-39 in IL that cost 3/4 of a million to move, and that was in the late 80's.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on May 18, 2018, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2018, 06:22:30 PM
There's one thing that's been bothering me, though. In this picture, the noise wall bows out for a bit, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. From the satellite images, there seems to be nothing there that would require it.

Box culvert under highway, with ends closer to the highway than the top of slopes?

The rip-rap on the left side is a giveaway, a treatment on the earthwork around the other end of the box culvert.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 21, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 18, 2018, 06:22:30 PM
As always ITB, wonderful pictures.

There's one thing that's been bothering me, though. In this picture, the noise wall bows out for a bit, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. From the satellite images, there seems to be nothing there that would require it.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2F2e2h63d.jpg&hash=6a14b171f14d041b38bc03329e50338601735a89)

Quote from: ITB on May 16, 2018, 10:04:09 PM
SR 37 and the future southbound entrance ramp from Tapp; looking slightly southeast.

I can never remember if slightly southeast means slightly south of east or slightly east of south.
Question 1: There is an unnamed (as far as I can determine) intermittent stream that runs from right to left under SR 37 at the point where the sound wall juts out (sources: USGS 4m map & FEIS project plan & profile).

Question 2: Since the photo is looking straight down the median barrier, you are looking S0° 29' 10"E (based on the FEIS plans).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 22, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
News from INDOT:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (May 21, 2018) — As paving operations continue throughout the construction zone, motorists are cautioned that lane configurations will be changing with more frequency.  Some paving related lane restrictions can impact merge areas, and motorists are reminded that some entrance points to SR 37 are in Yield configuration rather than the regular merge condition.  Yield signs indicate that motorists should approach with caution, come to a complete stop if necessary and only continue onto the highway if the way is clear.
As construction continues on the Tapp Road, 2nd Street and 3rd Street bridges, motorists can expect delays when driving cross town in Bloomington. Other east-west routes such as Fullerton Pike, Vernal Pike and SR 46 might be longer distances, but could reduce travel times.
The following restrictions will be in place this week:
-   Paving operations will be in place all week on both northbound and southbound SR 37 from just south of Rockport Road to the Vernal Pike overpass.  Motorists are urged to be aware of changing traffic patterns.
-   The current traffic configuration on 2nd Street (SR 45) will remain in place the entire week.
-   The traffic pattern on 3rd Street (SR 48) will remain as is.  However, during periods of heavy traffic law enforcement officers will be on site to assist with traffic flow. Crews will be excavating for installation of MSE walls, removing pavement and preparing for installation of signals, lighting fixtures and sidewalks.
-   There will be daily single lane restrictions on both northbound and southbound SR 37 from Sample Road to the Walnut Street interchange on and off ramps.  The restrictions are needed for paving operations and to make improvements to median drains.
-   The right lane of northbound SR 37 from Fox Hollow Road to Chambers Pike will be closed to make outside shoulder improvements and to allow for additional drainage work.
-   The single lane configuration in the northern section of the I-69 Section 5 work zone remains in place.  Motorists are reminded to stay in their travel lane, and that the center lane is only for turns at specified locations.
-   On or after 5 p.m. Wednesday, access to SR 37 at both Legendary Drive and Godsey Road will be eliminated. To access southbound SR 37, motorists are directed to take the new access road south, through the Liberty Church interchange and down to Turkey Tracks West. To access northbound SR 37, motorists are directed to take the new access road south to the Liberty Church interchange, cross over the new bridge to Liberty Loop Road, follow Liberty Loop Road south and west to E. Hacker Creek Road, and then onto Old SR 37 South.
Motorists traveling between Indianapolis and Bloomington and wishing to avoid potential delays on SR 37 are strongly encouraged to stay off of county roads and use the alternate routes of SR 135, I-65 and SR 67. The speed limit throughout the entire work zone remains 45 miles per hour.  Motorists are urged to drive with no distractions, leave ample space between vehicles and to be aware of changing traffic conditions.
All construction activity is weather dependent and the schedule is subject to change.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 22, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
Any news on the names for the frontage roads in Morgan County? From the INDOT press release mentioned above, I would think that the west one north of Liberty Church Rd would use the Legendary Dr name, since it will function as a continuation of that street. South of that point, it could be either Godsey Rd (to the point where that arterial gets cut off, then Turkey Track Rd south of there), or Turkey Track Rd the rest of the way. Looks like the eastern frontage road is not yet ready, given the long detour mentioned for NB access, but that could be simply because the interchange ramps are not going to be opened tomorrow when the access cut-off is scheduled.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 23, 2018, 09:59:41 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on May 22, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
Any news on the names for the frontage roads in Morgan County? From the INDOT press release mentioned above, I would think that the west one north of Liberty Church Rd would use the Legendary Dr name, since it will function as a continuation of that street. South of that point, it could be either Godsey Rd (to the point where that arterial gets cut off, then Turkey Track Rd south of there), or Turkey Track Rd the rest of the way. Looks like the eastern frontage road is not yet ready, given the long detour mentioned for NB access, but that could be simply because the interchange ramps are not going to be opened tomorrow when the access cut-off is scheduled.

Apparently, the process of naming the local access roads in Morgan County is still ongoing. I called the Morgan County Highway Department, and they referred me to INDOT. So I reached out to the Section 5 office, and they said the naming of the frontage roads is a local decision and suggested I contact the Morgan County Planning and Zoning office. When I did that, the woman I spoke with didn't think the roads had been named yet, and the individual who would know was out of the office until next Tuesday. Sometime next week I'll ring them up again to see what's to be learned.

In other news from my conversation with the Section 5 office, the Tapp Road overpass and interchange opening date has been pushed back one week to Friday, June 1. The interchange at Sample Road is scheduled to be fully open by June 6, depending on the weather. In Morgan County, the northbound mainline bridges over Little Indian Creek and Jordan Creek have had their deck pours. Crews are now working on approach slabs and railings. The Liberty Church overpass is now open to frontage road traffic to cross over SR 37. To access SR 37 southbound, local traffic is being directed to the SR 37/Turkey Track Rd access point south of the interchange. That means the interchange's southbound on and off ramps have yet to open, and it's possible they will remain sealed off until northbound traffic, currently running on a southbound lane of SR 37, is switched back to the northbound roadway. That's likely to happen sometime in June.

To clarify, as I neglected to ask about the Liberty Church interchange's southbound ramps during my conversation with the Section 5 office, the part in the above paragraph which states "it's possible they will remain sealed off until northbound traffic, currently running on a southbound lane of SR 37, is switched back to the northbound roadway" is conjecture on my part. Whether these ramps will be opened before the lane switch occurs, I am not knowledgeable, but for reasons of safety, I'm inclined to think they won't be, even if a Yield sign is temporarily installed at the end of the on-ramp.

Edit: added the  "to clarify" paragraph
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 24, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 23, 2018, 09:59:41 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on May 22, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
Any news on the names for the frontage roads in Morgan County? From the INDOT press release mentioned above, I would think that the west one north of Liberty Church Rd would use the Legendary Dr name, since it will function as a continuation of that street. South of that point, it could be either Godsey Rd (to the point where that arterial gets cut off, then Turkey Track Rd south of there), or Turkey Track Rd the rest of the way. Looks like the eastern frontage road is not yet ready, given the long detour mentioned for NB access, but that could be simply because the interchange ramps are not going to be opened tomorrow when the access cut-off is scheduled.

Apparently, the process of naming the local access roads in Morgan County is still ongoing. I called the Morgan County Highway Department, and they referred me to INDOT. So I reached out to the Section 5 office, and they said the naming of the frontage roads is a local decision and suggested I contact the Morgan County Planning and Zoning office. When I did that, the woman I spoke with didn't think the roads had been named yet, and the individual who would know was out of the office until next Tuesday. Sometime next week I'll ring them up again to see what's to be learned.

In other news from my conversation with the Section 5 office, the Tapp Road overpass and interchange opening date has been pushed back one week to Friday, June 1. The interchange at Sample Road is scheduled to be fully open by June 6, depending on the weather. In Morgan County, the northbound mainline bridges over Little Indian Creek and Jordan Creek have had their deck pours. Crews are now working on approach slabs and railings. The Liberty Church overpass is now open to frontage road traffic to cross over SR 37. To access SR 37 southbound, local traffic is being directed to the SR 37/Turkey Track Rd access point south of the interchange. That means the interchange's southbound on and off ramps have yet to open, and it's possible they will remain sealed off until northbound traffic, currently running on a southbound lane of SR 37, is switched back to the northbound roadway. That's likely to happen sometime in June.

To clarify, as I neglected to ask about the Liberty Church interchange's southbound ramps during my conversation with the Section 5 office, the part in the above paragraph which states "it's possible they will remain sealed off until northbound traffic, currently running on a southbound lane of SR 37, is switched back to the northbound roadway" is conjecture on my part. Whether these ramps will be opened before the lane switch occurs, I am not knowledgeable, but for reasons of safety, I'm inclined to think they won't be, even if a Yield sign is temporarily installed at the end of the on-ramp.

Edit: added the  "to clarify" paragraph
Thanks again for the updates!

So I guess the Morgan County residents using the newly-opened frontage roads are singing as they drive... ♫I drove through the farmland on a road with no name, it felt good to drive out of the way.♫  :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 31, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
More news courtesy of INDOT:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (May 31, 2018) — The Tapp Road interchange is scheduled to open to traffic tomorrow, June 1, at 8 p.m. All travel lanes and on and off ramps will be unrestricted. The interchange will open with temporary pavement markings that will be replaced with permanent striping on Monday, June 4, under flagging operations.
Mainline paving continues on SR 37 from south of Rockport Road to the Vernal Pike overpass, which may temporarily place ramps to SR 37 from Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road, 2nd Street and 3rd Street in a Yield condition. Motorists are reminded that Yield signs indicate a driver should approach with caution, come to a complete stop if necessary and only continue onto the highway if the way is clear.
The opening of the Tapp Road interchange is expected to alleviate some of the east-west traffic congestion caused by lane restrictions on the 2nd Street and 3rd Street bridges.  Motorists are encouraged to use Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road, Vernal Pike and SR 46 for cross town trips.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 31, 2018, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
More news courtesy of INDOT:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (May 31, 2018) — The Tapp Road interchange is scheduled to open to traffic tomorrow, June 1, at 8 p.m. All travel lanes and on and off ramps will be unrestricted. The interchange will open with temporary pavement markings that will be replaced with permanent striping on Monday, June 4, under flagging operations.
Mainline paving continues on SR 37 from south of Rockport Road to the Vernal Pike overpass, which may temporarily place ramps to SR 37 from Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road, 2nd Street and 3rd Street in a Yield condition. Motorists are reminded that Yield signs indicate a driver should approach with caution, come to a complete stop if necessary and only continue onto the highway if the way is clear.
The opening of the Tapp Road interchange is expected to alleviate some of the east-west traffic congestion caused by lane restrictions on the 2nd Street and 3rd Street bridges.  Motorists are encouraged to use Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road, Vernal Pike and SR 46 for cross town trips.

That was fast.   The Tapp Road interchange construction was only started a year ago...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on June 01, 2018, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 31, 2018, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
More news courtesy of INDOT:

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (May 31, 2018) – The Tapp Road interchange is scheduled to open to traffic tomorrow, June 1, at 8 p.m. All travel lanes and on and off ramps will be unrestricted. The interchange will open with temporary pavement markings that will be replaced with permanent striping on Monday, June 4, under flagging operations.
Mainline paving continues on SR 37 from south of Rockport Road to the Vernal Pike overpass, which may temporarily place ramps to SR 37 from Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road, 2nd Street and 3rd Street in a Yield condition. Motorists are reminded that Yield signs indicate a driver should approach with caution, come to a complete stop if necessary and only continue onto the highway if the way is clear.
The opening of the Tapp Road interchange is expected to alleviate some of the east-west traffic congestion caused by lane restrictions on the 2nd Street and 3rd Street bridges.  Motorists are encouraged to use Fullerton Pike, Tapp Road, Vernal Pike and SR 46 for cross town trips.

That was fast.   The Tapp Road interchange construction was only started a year ago...
At least IN is serious about completing its section of I-69!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 04, 2018, 10:28:38 AM

As noted in a recent post, the Tapp Road/State Road 37 interchange was fully opened June 1, 2018. Here's a few pictures of the new interchange just prior to opening. Photos were taken Friday, June 1.

Interchange – Tapp Road/State Road 37 (future I-69)

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The Tapp Road/State Road 37 interchange in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana just two hours before the official opening; looking southeast. In the foreground is a Right-of-Way marker.

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Another view of the Tapp Road/SR 37 interchange just prior to opening; looking southeast. It rapidly clouded over during the few minutes I was taking photos.

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Closer look at a Right-of-Way marker near the Tapp Road interchange.

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Long range view of the Tapp Road interchange; looking southeast.

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Looking north from near the Tapp Road/SR 37 interchange toward the Second Street/Bloomfield Road (SR 45) interchange.

Up next. Photos of the interchange after opening.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 04, 2018, 10:47:30 AM

On Saturday, June 2, I ventured out again for a look-see of the newly opened Tapp Road interchange as well as elsewhere. Photos were taken June 2, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Interchange – Tapp Road/State Road 37 (future Interstate 69)
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Looking north toward the overpass that will carry Tapp Road over Interstate 69 in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana.

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Slightly different perspective; looking north.

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Long range view, with the new sound wall on the right; looking north.

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Signage on the approach to the Tapp Road interchange; looking east. Hmm ... I really do need to get the camera lens professionally cleaned.

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Another view of the signage; looking east.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on June 04, 2018, 10:55:08 AM
Just do a simple sensor cleaning. What camera do you use? There is a solution you can get to dab on some sealed swabs that fit each sensor type - takes 5 minutes tops.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 04, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: seicer on June 04, 2018, 10:55:08 AM
Just do a simple sensor cleaning. What camera do you use? There is a solution you can get to dab on some sealed swabs that fit each sensor type - takes 5 minutes tops.
Thanks for the info. I'll look into it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 04, 2018, 11:41:45 AM

Here's a few of the Vernal Pike overpass, both present and past. Photos were taken Saturday, June 2, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Overpass and Roadway – Vernal Pike – The Present
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Vernal Pike and the overpass (background) that will carry Vernal Pike/17th Street over Interstate 69 in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. The concrete median barrier wall of State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) is in the background right.

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Closer look of Vernal Pike and the overpass; looking east. Note the ConSpan® bridge element, which allows N. Packing House Road to go under Vernal Pike.

Vernal Pike work zone – The Past

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The ConSpan® bridge just after installation in the fall of 2015; looking north. A product of Contech Engineered Solutions, the bridge components are built off site then trucked in and assembled. This particular model is an O-Series® Twin Leaf. Photo was taken September 22, 2015.

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The scene of the Vernal Pike work zone and the ConSpan® bridge in late 2015; looking east. Photo was taken December 15, 2015.

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Construction at Vernal Pike in late winter 2016; looking east. Photo was taken February 22, 2016.

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Vernal Pike as it was in the fall of 2016; looking east. Photo was taken October 26, 2016.

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Finally, getting it paved up during the winter of 2016/17. I don't have an exact photo date, but, it appears to be c. February 2017.

Vernal Pike – The Present
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Long range view; looking east.

Up next: The Chambers Pike work zone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on June 04, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 04, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: seicer on June 04, 2018, 10:55:08 AM
Just do a simple sensor cleaning. What camera do you use? There is a solution you can get to dab on some sealed swabs that fit each sensor type - takes 5 minutes tops.
Thanks for the info. I'll look into it.

This is what I use, works great, and is pretty easy to do:
https://www.amazon.ca/VSGO-Digital-Camera-Sensor-Cleaning/dp/B00LSNUASK/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2/135-4054993-4129754?ie=UTF8&qid=1528127635&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=aps-c+sensor+cleaning+wand

Stopping down your aperture and using a faster shutter speed can also minimize the visibility of sensor dust on your image.

thanks for the photos though, you do a great job, cool looking freeway.  I went through there in April on the way back from the south.  They were really moving, though the long distance single lane closure was pretty annoying.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 04, 2018, 12:51:08 PM

Here's a few of the Chambers Pike work zone in northern Monroe County, Indiana. Photos were taken Saturday, June 2, 2018.

Overpass – Chambers Pike
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The overpass that will carry Chambers Pike over Interstate 69 in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. Chambers Pike, where it meets SR 37, is roughly 8 1/2 miles north of the city of Bloomington.

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Closer look at the state of construction of the Chambers Pike overpass; looking east. The deck has been poured and work is progressing on the side wall and approach slabs.

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The view of State Road 37 and the new local access road from the Chambers Pike overpass; looking slightly southeast. The local access or frontage road, located on the right, will run underneath the Chambers Pike overpass and link into Mann Road about a quarter mile to the north.

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Another view of construction of the concrete barrier wall near the Chambers Pike overpass; looking south.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 from the Chambers Pike overpass. The local access road will swing left to connect to Mann Road (pictured), which will then link into Burma Road. When complete, this entire stretch of frontage roadway will be signed Burma Road.

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Another perspective of State Road 37 from the Chambers Pike overpass; looking north. Up ahead is where the mainline roadway splits to pass through the "big hill" that roughly delineates the hill country of southern Indiana from the more flatter terrain of the north.

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Looking south toward SR 37 from the Chambers Pike overpass. On the right is new local access road, separated from the southbound mainline by a concrete barrier wall. To the left is the eastern local access road, which is, to some extent, an extension of the old northbound lanes of SR 37, now utilized as a frontage road. That road, which links into the Sample Road interchange about two miles south, also will intersect with Chambers Pike near the overpass.

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Chambers Pike and the Chambers Pike overpass, with future I-69 to the left; looking northeast.

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Mid-range view looking north toward the Chambers Pike overpass. The eastern frontage road, still unpaved, is on the right; it swings around to intersect with Chambers Pike.

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Closer look at the Chambers Pike overpass with a piece of construction equipment in the foreground; looking east.

That's it for now. As you can see, there's still a lot of work to do, but we're getting close, very close, to the completion of Section 5.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 04, 2018, 01:35:36 PM
what is with indot in constantly putting in the wrong font on the SR 37 signs? also the junction plate is the wrong color. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on June 04, 2018, 01:52:49 PM
ITB, thanks for the pix update.  I am so ready to make a road trip up to Indianapolis on the new I-69 and not have to worry about the construction delays and traffic.  Bring on the new interstate shields!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KEVIN_224 on June 04, 2018, 09:21:08 PM
I noticed "BLOOMINGTON" in big letters on one of those overpasses. Is that roughly where the city line is?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 04, 2018, 09:35:54 PM
I believe those are just for decoration. If I recall I think the boundary of Bloomington along the west side actually follows I-69/SR 37 in that area. That and Indiana typically doesn't mark city boundaries on interstates.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 05, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
https://bloomington.in.gov/interactive/maps/citymap

Fullerton exit is the southern boundary of Bloomington at the moment (on the east side of SR 37)

Bloomington's looking to annex quite a bit on the west side of SR-37/future I-69

https://bloomington.in.gov/gisdata/mapgallery/Annexation/2017/Proposed/Bloomington-AnnexAreaPresentationMap.pdf

There's a lawsuit going on since the State Legislature dropped something in the 2017 budget at the last second to stop the annexations in Bloomington (written as to only target Bloomington)  until 2022.
http://www.idsnews.com/article/2018/01/annexation-lawsuit-appeal-denied-case-will-continue
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 05, 2018, 11:18:41 AM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on June 04, 2018, 09:21:08 PM
I noticed "BLOOMINGTON" in big letters on one of those overpasses. Is that roughly where the city line is?

The signage on the overpass is officially called a "community identifier." Back in 2014, the public was given an opportunity to vote on various aesthetic treatment options of the overpasses within the city of Bloomington. Among these were the style of ornamental lighting, type of railing treatment, type of stone finish of the abutments, whether the community identifier should be placed on the overpass or adjacent, and the style of the community identifier, for instance white on red or white on black.

Tapp Road overpass
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Close up look of the aesthetic treatment of the Tapp Road overpass in Bloomington. Photo was taken June 2, 2018.

Overall, in my opinion, the aesthetic treatment of the overpasses has turned out well. Initially, I preferred the community identifier to be placed adjacent to the overpass, but now it seems more appropriate to be on the overpass. There is one decision about the community identifier selection, however, that still rankles. On the SR 45/46 overpass – the principal entrance to downtown Bloomington and Indiana University – it was decided one of the identifiers will be "Ellettsville." Egad! The town of Ellettsville is five miles to west on SR 46. It doesn't make any sense and reflects extremely poor judgement. Here we have the main I-69 interchange leading into Indiana University, and its tagged Ellettsville? At the very least, the community identifier should be Bloomington, or better yet, "Indiana University." Maybe the SR 45/46 overpass identifier has been changed in the four years since 2014. I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 05, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
Personally if Bloomington has to go through all the pain of the construction of Section 5 of I-69, which as we all know is several years late, then they should have an aesthetic pleasing highway for their city in my personal opinion. I wish INDOT would do some bridges approaching Indianapolis with the city name placed on the bridges with some checker-board pattern on them (similar to the checkered flag at the Indy 500.) I believe Lebanon, Fishers and Valparaiso has a new overpass along I-65, I-69 and SR 49 that have a treatment like this.

As for Ellettsville, yikes! Have they actually put that on the bridge? Honestly they should just stick to Bloomington on the main bridges along the highway, maybe with a Monroe County identifier at the Chambers Pike overpass for southbound traffic and at the SR 37 split for northbound traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on June 06, 2018, 03:54:34 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 04, 2018, 11:41:45 AM
Vernal Pike – The Present
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Long range view; looking east.

Up next: The Chambers Pike work zone.
Pardon my ignorance, but why is the road curved that much? Cost saving due to the Hill?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 06, 2018, 10:22:16 AM
^^^^
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on June 06, 2018, 03:54:34 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but why is the road curved that much? Cost saving due to the Hill?

There's a major underground sewage installation near where the road curves, and it was decided to bring the road around it rather than over it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 08, 2018, 09:42:44 AM
http://www.wbiw.com/local/archive/2018/06/sample-road-interchange-to-open-fri.php

Sample road interchange going to be opened except the ramp from Sample to northbound SR 37 today.  Full interchange scheduled to open mid-July

QuoteThe Sample Road interchange is anticipated to open to traffic at or around 4 p.m. on Friday, June 8.

Three of the four ramps in the system will be available to motorists: the southbound State Road 37 on and off ramps, and the off ramp from northbound State Road 37 to Sample Road. The ramp from Sample Road to northbound State Road 37 is anticipated to open in mid-July.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 08, 2018, 01:35:16 PM

Section 6 Update


On June 6, 2018, the Herald-Times, the main newspaper for South-Central Indiana, ran an in-depth story detailing the status and forthcoming construction plan of Section 6. As the article is behind a paywall, I'll only quote a section, but will outline the germane points below.

QuoteDetails still in works for I-69 Section 6; construction to start in 2019

By Michael Reschke 812-331-4370 | mreschke@heraldt.com    Jun 6, 2018

Construction on Interstate 69 Section 6 is expected to start in 2019 and continue until 2027, but funding has only been allocated through 2022.

This was one of several unknowns shared in an update on Section 6 during the Indiana Chamber's I-69 + P3 Summit on Wednesday at the Monroe Convention Center.

While the footprint of the 26-mile interstate project that runs from Martinsville to Indianapolis has been determined, finer details have yet to be worked out. For instance, Section 6 will be divided into five segments with five separate designers, but only one of those designers has been chosen.

The Martinsville segment runs from Indian Creek to one mile north of Ind. 44. HNTB, an architecture, civil engineering consulting and construction management firm based in Kansas City, has been selected to design it. Project managers from INDOT's Seymour District will manage this segment.

Bids for construction around the main highway, such as access roads, will be accepted in December. Construction is expected to begin in early 2019. Bids for highway construction in the Martinsville segment will be accepted in July of 2019. Construction on the highway is expected to begin in late 2019 or early 2020.

...

Other pertinent points from the article include:

- INDOT will use its traditional design-build method on Segments 1—4, and a design-build-best-value method for Segment 5 in Marion County. The latter method allows INDOT to consider other factors rather than just the low bid when selecting a contractor.
- Construction of Section 6 remains budgeted at $1.5 billion. $500 million already has been allocated to the project, which will provide funding through the year 2022. There is funding to cover the project's entire cost, but exactly what part of the budget it will come from has yet to be determined.
- INDOT will be soliciting proposals from potential design firms for the middle three segments in July 2018. It is not yet known when the request for design proposals of the project's final Marion County segment (Segment 5) – a half mile north of Wicker Road to I-465 – will get underway.

To summarize what we've learned, in addition to the above:
- Section 6 has been divided into five segments for construction purposes
- Section 6 will be designed and constructed in the traditional method; no public-private partnership.
- Separate contracts for the mainline segment(s) and the new local access, or frontage, road project(s) will be bid.
- The initial local access road construction contract of the Martinsville segment (Segment 1) will be let in December 2018, with work to begin in early 2019.
- The contract for mainline work of the Martinsville segment will be let in July 2019, with work getting underway in either late 2019 or early 2020
- HNTB, a firm based in Kansas City, has been tapped to design Segment 1, the Martinsville segment, which runs from just south of Indian Creek to one mile north of SR 44.

Article link (behind a paywall): https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/details-still-in-works-for-i--section-construction-to/article_8be2afc8-d2f1-5c3f-8f20-82b22c3baae6.html (https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/details-still-in-works-for-i--section-construction-to/article_8be2afc8-d2f1-5c3f-8f20-82b22c3baae6.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 08, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 08, 2018, 01:35:16 PM

Section 6 Update


On June 6, 2018, the Herald-Times, the main newspaper for South-Central Indiana, ran an in-depth story detailing the status and forthcoming construction plan of Section 6. As the article is behind a paywall, I'll only quote a section, but will outline the germane points below.

QuoteDetails still in works for I-69 Section 6; construction to start in 2019

By Michael Reschke 812-331-4370 | mreschke@heraldt.com    Jun 6, 2018

Construction on Interstate 69 Section 6 is expected to start in 2019 and continue until 2027, but funding has only been allocated through 2022.

This was one of several unknowns shared in an update on Section 6 during the Indiana Chamber’s I-69 + P3 Summit on Wednesday at the Monroe Convention Center.

While the footprint of the 26-mile interstate project that runs from Martinsville to Indianapolis has been determined, finer details have yet to be worked out. For instance, Section 6 will be divided into five segments with five separate designers, but only one of those designers has been chosen.

The Martinsville segment runs from Indian Creek to one mile north of Ind. 44. HNTB, an architecture, civil engineering consulting and construction management firm based in Kansas City, has been selected to design it. Project managers from INDOT’s Seymour District will manage this segment.

Bids for construction around the main highway, such as access roads, will be accepted in December. Construction is expected to begin in early 2019. Bids for highway construction in the Martinsville segment will be accepted in July of 2019. Construction on the highway is expected to begin in late 2019 or early 2020.

...

Other pertinent points from the article include:

• INDOT will use its traditional design-build method on Segments 1–4, and a design-build-best-value method for Segment 5 in Marion County. The latter method allows INDOT to consider other factors rather than just the low bid when selecting a contractor.
• Construction of Section 6 remains budgeted at $1.5 billion. $500 million already has been allocated to the project, which will provide funding through the year 2022. There is funding to cover the project's entire cost, but exactly what part of the budget it will come from has yet to be determined.
• INDOT will be soliciting proposals from potential design firms for the middle three segments in July 2018. It is not yet known when the request for design proposals of the project's final Marion County segment (Segment 5) — a half mile north of Wicker Road to I-465 — will get underway.

To summarize what we've learned, in addition to the above:
• Section 6 has been divided into five segments for construction purposes
• Section 6 will be designed and constructed in the traditional method; no public-private partnership.
• Separate contracts for the mainline segment(s) and the new local access, or frontage, road project(s) will be bid.
• The initial local access road construction contract of the Martinsville segment (Segment 1) will be let in December 2018, with work to begin in early 2019.
• The contract for mainline work of the Martinsville segment will be let in July 2019, with work getting underway in either late 2019 or early 2020
• HNTB, a firm based in Kansas City, has been tapped to design Segment 1, the Martinsville segment, which runs from just south of Indian Creek to one mile north of SR 44.

Article link (behind a paywall): https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/details-still-in-works-for-i--section-construction-to/article_8be2afc8-d2f1-5c3f-8f20-82b22c3baae6.html (https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/details-still-in-works-for-i--section-construction-to/article_8be2afc8-d2f1-5c3f-8f20-82b22c3baae6.html)

So, I am guessing the state wants more leeway with segment 5 because the I-69/I-465 interchange is going to be too complex and important to leave to the lowest bidder...

I also like the fact that construction on Section 6 Segment 1 is starting almost as soon as Section 5 is done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on June 09, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
Part of me wishes that the state would start from Indianapolis south on the project.  That way they would get the I-465 intersection and the first couple of miles completed with the initial construction on this phases.  That would be some of the worst traffic areas solved.  The Martinsville construction will be a cluster @#&$ with using the current roadway.  They really need to make sure that someone has set up a contract to pave IN-39 through Martinsville, because many of us will be using that to get over to IN-67.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 09, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 08, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 08, 2018, 01:35:16 PM

Section 6 Update


On June 6, 2018, the Herald-Times, the main newspaper for South-Central Indiana, ran an in-depth story detailing the status and forthcoming construction plan of Section 6. As the article is behind a paywall, I'll only quote a section, but will outline the germane points below.

QuoteDetails still in works for I-69 Section 6; construction to start in 2019

By Michael Reschke 812-331-4370 | mreschke@heraldt.com    Jun 6, 2018

Construction on Interstate 69 Section 6 is expected to start in 2019 and continue until 2027, but funding has only been allocated through 2022.

This was one of several unknowns shared in an update on Section 6 during the Indiana Chamber's I-69 + P3 Summit on Wednesday at the Monroe Convention Center.

While the footprint of the 26-mile interstate project that runs from Martinsville to Indianapolis has been determined, finer details have yet to be worked out. For instance, Section 6 will be divided into five segments with five separate designers, but only one of those designers has been chosen.

The Martinsville segment runs from Indian Creek to one mile north of Ind. 44. HNTB, an architecture, civil engineering consulting and construction management firm based in Kansas City, has been selected to design it. Project managers from INDOT's Seymour District will manage this segment.

Bids for construction around the main highway, such as access roads, will be accepted in December. Construction is expected to begin in early 2019. Bids for highway construction in the Martinsville segment will be accepted in July of 2019. Construction on the highway is expected to begin in late 2019 or early 2020.

...

Other pertinent points from the article include:

- INDOT will use its traditional design-build method on Segments 1—4, and a design-build-best-value method for Segment 5 in Marion County. The latter method allows INDOT to consider other factors rather than just the low bid when selecting a contractor.
- Construction of Section 6 remains budgeted at $1.5 billion. $500 million already has been allocated to the project, which will provide funding through the year 2022. There is funding to cover the project's entire cost, but exactly what part of the budget it will come from has yet to be determined.
- INDOT will be soliciting proposals from potential design firms for the middle three segments in July 2018. It is not yet known when the request for design proposals of the project's final Marion County segment (Segment 5) – a half mile north of Wicker Road to I-465 – will get underway.

To summarize what we've learned, in addition to the above:
- Section 6 has been divided into five segments for construction purposes
- Section 6 will be designed and constructed in the traditional method; no public-private partnership.
- Separate contracts for the mainline segment(s) and the new local access, or frontage, road project(s) will be bid.
- The initial local access road construction contract of the Martinsville segment (Segment 1) will be let in December 2018, with work to begin in early 2019.
- The contract for mainline work of the Martinsville segment will be let in July 2019, with work getting underway in either late 2019 or early 2020
- HNTB, a firm based in Kansas City, has been tapped to design Segment 1, the Martinsville segment, which runs from just south of Indian Creek to one mile north of SR 44.

Article link (behind a paywall): https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/details-still-in-works-for-i--section-construction-to/article_8be2afc8-d2f1-5c3f-8f20-82b22c3baae6.html (https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/details-still-in-works-for-i--section-construction-to/article_8be2afc8-d2f1-5c3f-8f20-82b22c3baae6.html)

So, I am guessing the state wants more leeway with segment 5 because the I-69/I-465 interchange is going to be too complex and important to leave to the lowest bidder...

I also like the fact that construction on Section 6 Segment 1 is starting almost as soon as Section 5 is done.

I surmise that INDOT is taking a different procurement approach to Segment 5 as they may be thinking about including the reconstruction of adjacent sections of I-465 into the mix. If I-69 follows I-465 around the east side of Indy, the southern quadrant of I-465 will have to be completely reconstructed and widened to handle the additional traffic coming from I-69. Not as much of an issue if I-69 follows I-465 around the north and west side since those legs were widened years ago, but still INDOT may be looking for whatever opportunities it can find to widen the southern portion of 465 and rolling that into I-69 work would make at least some sense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 09, 2018, 03:45:57 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 09, 2018, 01:46:29 PM

I surmise that INDOT is taking a different procurement approach to Segment 5 as they may be thinking about including the reconstruction of adjacent sections of I-465 into the mix. If I-69 follows I-465 around the east side of Indy, the southern quadrant of I-465 will have to be completely reconstructed and widened to handle the additional traffic coming from I-69. Not as much of an issue if I-69 follows I-465 around the north and west side since those legs were widened years ago, but still INDOT may be looking for whatever opportunities it can find to widen the southern portion of 465 and rolling that into I-69 work would make at least some sense.
That has always been the plan. The FEIS for Section 6 shows that a rebuild of I-465 from the partial interchange at Mann Rd (Exit 7) to a point just west of the US 31/East Street interchange (Exit 2) will be part of this project. Also, the Harding Street (Exit 4 - existing SR 37) interchange on I-465 will remain in place, with its western ramps rebuilt to interlace with the new System Interchange (Exit 5) ramps for I-69. The I-465 work could be broken out into a separate contract, like they are doing with the Local Access roads in Martinsville. But that decision is still likely somewhere down the road (pun unintentional).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 11, 2018, 09:30:29 AM
69 was always going around the east side.  west side would be terrible, the highway needs to be widened from 86th street over to us 31. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on June 11, 2018, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2018, 09:30:29 AM
69 was always going around the east side.  west side would be terrible, the highway needs to be widened from 86th street over to us 31.

Not to mention the awful northwest corner of 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on June 11, 2018, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on June 09, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
Part of me wishes that the state would start from Indianapolis south on the project.  That way they would get the I-465 intersection and the first couple of miles completed with the initial construction on this phases.  That would be some of the worst traffic areas solved.  The Martinsville construction will be a cluster @#&$ with using the current roadway.  They really need to make sure that someone has set up a contract to pave IN-39 through Martinsville, because many of us will be using that to get over to IN-67.

Based on the meetings I've attended, the way that the construction is planned makes the most sense.  The first section around Martinsville (around 5 miles or so) contains around 7 at-grade intersections; of which 5 have traffic signals (and these signals are generally timed poorly; you get stopped at one, you are pretty much guaranteed to get stopped at all of them).  Getting this section done will eliminate the congestion and delays related to these stops.  After getting the construction past IN 44, drivers will have around 12 to 13 miles or so of uninterrupted traffic (no traffic signals) until reaching IN 144 (near Johnson County line).  Thus, once this first section is completed, drivers will have around 65% or so of Section 6 without traffic signals, which will greatly improve overall N-S transit times.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 11, 2018, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: EngineerTM on June 11, 2018, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on June 09, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
Part of me wishes that the state would start from Indianapolis south on the project.  That way they would get the I-465 intersection and the first couple of miles completed with the initial construction on this phases.  That would be some of the worst traffic areas solved.  The Martinsville construction will be a cluster @#&$ with using the current roadway.  They really need to make sure that someone has set up a contract to pave IN-39 through Martinsville, because many of us will be using that to get over to IN-67.

Based on the meetings I've attended, the way that the construction is planned makes the most sense.  The first section around Martinsville (around 5 miles or so) contains around 7 at-grade intersections; of which 5 have traffic signals (and these signals are generally timed poorly; you get stopped at one, you are pretty much guaranteed to get stopped at all of them).  Getting this section done will eliminate the congestion and delays related to these stops.  After getting the construction past IN 44, drivers will have around 12 to 13 miles or so of uninterrupted traffic (no traffic signals) until reaching IN 144 (near Johnson County line).  Thus, once this first section is completed, drivers will have around 65% or so of Section 6 without traffic signals, which will greatly improve overall N-S transit times.

That and it is likely quicker to build than the marion county portion, which involves a ton of things, one of which is filling in a lake.  And i think that lake is an old rock quarry, so it's likely very deep.  not to mention all of the damn permits necessary for that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 14, 2018, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2018, 11:15:01 AM

That and it is likely quicker to build than the marion county portion, which involves a ton of things, one of which is filling in a lake.  And i think that lake is an old rock quarry, so it's likely very deep.  not to mention all of the damn permits necessary for that.
I believe the "Refined Preferred Alternative" of the FEIS shifted the I-69/I-465 system interchange ramps away from that old quarry, eliminating the need to fill it in.
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_APX_II_RPA_PlanandProfile.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_APX_II_RPA_PlanandProfile.pdf)

But you are correct in that INDOT is leaving the most difficult & expensive portion until last. The Southport Road interchange will be particularly so, due to the multiple business relocations in the NW quadrant. I still don't see why they couldn't have built the grade separation very close to the existing intersection and used a loop ramp in the SW quadrant for the SB 69/37 to Southport movement, since there seems to be adequate room there NE of the retention pond. That alternative would have eliminated the need for the business relocations, but I'm sure they feel there was a reason why it wasn't doable that way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 14, 2018, 01:08:38 PM
Does anyone here know the current subsection breakdowns for Section 6? I know they keep changing with each new step in the process (DEIS, FEIS, and now ROD/pre-contract letting). I've recently heard a media report mentioning that there now are 5, with the first (Martinsville) running from the Section 5 limit just south of Indian Creek to one mile north of the Reuben Dr/State Road 44 intersection. There are supposedly 3 between that point and the beginning of the fifth & final subsection (Indianapolis), but I didn't hear of where any of the other start/end points are. As usual, the INDOT website is of NO help whatsoever (they really need to step up their game, IMHO), so I'm hoping someone will be able to dig up this data to share here. If so, thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 14, 2018, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 14, 2018, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2018, 11:15:01 AM

That and it is likely quicker to build than the marion county portion, which involves a ton of things, one of which is filling in a lake.  And i think that lake is an old rock quarry, so it's likely very deep.  not to mention all of the damn permits necessary for that.
I believe the "Refined Preferred Alternative" of the FEIS shifted the I-69/I-465 system interchange ramps away from that old quarry, eliminating the need to fill it in.
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_APX_II_RPA_PlanandProfile.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_APX_II_RPA_PlanandProfile.pdf)

But you are correct in that INDOT is leaving the most difficult & expensive portion until last. The Southport Road interchange will be particularly so, due to the multiple business relocations in the NW quadrant. I still don't see why they couldn't have built the grade separation very close to the existing intersection and used a loop ramp in the SW quadrant for the SB 69/37 to Southport movement, since there seems to be adequate room there NE of the retention pond. That alternative would have eliminated the need for the business relocations, but I'm sure they feel there was a reason why it wasn't doable that way.

Just the utility relocation work in and around Sunshine Gardens neighborhood will be significant.  There are at least 4 major fiber runs for carriers that will require remediation. Verizon, Sprint, ATT and L3 Communications.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 02, 2018, 01:23:32 PM
Came across this photo a little while ago and would like to share with the forum.

Ten Years Ago – Martinsville, Indiana, and State Road 37.
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Courtesy Monty Howell/The Herald-Times. Photo date: June 7, 2008.
Looking northwest toward a small section of Martinsville, Indiana, and State Road 37. Ten years ago in early June of 2008, flooding ravaged central Indiana and Martinsville in particular. The flooding pictured was not due to the White River which flows just to the west of Martinsville, but by the nearby waterways of Sartor Ditch and Indian Creek. Sartor Ditch, which runs roughly parallel to SR 37 in the vicinity of the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection in Martinsville, crosses under the highway via a culvert just north of the intersection, after which it continues on for a way, eventually joining Indian Creek. As I-69 Section 6 construction moves forward, an interchange will be built at Ohio Street (not pictured, but just to the left). It's a good bet the Sartor Ditch culvert will be replaced and enlarged, though that would not stop a flood of this scope. If you'd like to view the area on Google Maps, search "Sartor Ditch" and Martinsville. To get your bearings, the blue roofed building is South Elementary School.

Link to photo and article (but unfortunately behind a paywall):
https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/photos-remembering-the-flood/article_3beab645-6c03-5673-9c2c-1582b456b3a0.html

More Section 5 photos coming soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 02, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 14, 2018, 01:08:38 PM
Does anyone here know the current subsection breakdowns for Section 6?

Per INDOT, the breakdown of the five segments of Section 6 are as follows:

- Martinsville – just south of Indian Creek to one mile north of SR 44

- Morgan County 1 – one mile north of SR 44 to one mile north of Henderson Ford Road

- Morgan County 2 – one mile north of Henderson Ford Road to one mile south of SR 144

- Johnson County – one mile south of SR 144 to one half mile north of Wicker Road

- Marion County – one half mile north of Wicker Road to I-465

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 02, 2018, 03:49:57 PM

Pictures. Here's a few from last week and yesterday. The first three were taken June 24, 2018; the others July 1, 2018. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

Last Week
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The eastern local access or frontage road about a 1/2 mile south of the Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking south.

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Another view of the eastern local access road south of the Sample Road interchange; looking south.

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Closer look of the access road with State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in the background. With the paving equipment in place, construction of the concrete barrier wall was imminent.

One Week Later
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The concrete barrier completed; looking north.

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Another view of the local access road and barrier wall; looking north. The house-like structure is a water pump facility.

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Closer look with the Mobil/Circle K mart at the Sample Road interchange in the background; looking north.

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Long range view.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on July 02, 2018, 05:40:08 PM
Would this project qualify as the longest stretch of interstate being built right now?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 05, 2018, 07:18:36 PM

As of today, it's only 57 days until the substantial completion date of Section 5 of August 31, 2018. Here's a few pictures depicting the status of the project. I'll start with some that were taken July 1, 2018 and July 2nd, and finish up with a few that were taken yesterday, July 4th. The first group of six photos (below) were taken July 1.

Construction of Interstate 69 – north of Bloomington, Indiana
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Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from about a mile south of the future Sample Road/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. In the foreground is the graded path of the new eastern local access road north of the State Road 37/E. Wylie Road access point. Discernible in the background are the overpasses that carry, respectfully, College Ave/Walnut Street (nearest) and Kinser Pike.  The early evening summer haze, common in Indiana, makes getting a crisp picture challenging.

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The graded path of the new eastern local access, or frontage, road; looking north from near the old State Road/E. Wylie Road crossing, about a mile south of the Sample Road/I-69 interchange. The Wylie Road access point is open to in/out northbound SR 37 traffic, giving drivers access to the new frontage road south of this location. E. Wylie Road, itself, is closed just to east, out of view. The entire length of the eastern access road will be signed Wayport Road and, when complete, both north and south sections will link into the Sample Road interchange.

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Paved not long ago, the new eastern local access road south of the State Road 37/E. Wylie Road access point; looking south.

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Closer look at the new eastern local access road, running adjacent to State Road 37; looking south. The road ends near the far end of the concrete barrier wall.

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Looking northwest toward SR 37 and the path of the eastern local access road. Between the two pieces of paving equipment is the Wylie Road access point for in/out northbound SR 37 traffic. Just up ahead, the lighter patch of earth denotes the location of Wylie Road; it is currently sealed off just to the right, out of view, but will be reconnected to the completed local access road. This photo is soft, slightly out of focus, but I'm posting it because it gives reference to the other photos in this group. I took some additional photos at this location on July 4th, and I'll post those in a forthcoming post.

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The interchange at Sample Road, located roughly five miles north of city of Bloomington; looking north. The northbound SR 37 exit ramp to Sample Road is now open to traffic, while work continues on the northbound entrance ramp from Sample to SR 37. To reach the Mobil/Circle K Mart from Interstate 69, drivers will swing partially around two or three traffic roundabouts, depending on whether they are traveling north or southbound, then take the eastern frontage road south for about a quarter mile and make a right onto a service road (pictured) leading to the station and store. It seems complicated but its not.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 05, 2018, 09:41:16 PM

Because I didn't get all the shots I wanted to on July 1st, I decided to head out the next evening if the weather was good. Generally, it was, but when I arrived on site, again at the Sample Road interchange, the western sky was becoming dusky with clouds. Surprisingly, however, I happened upon a paving crew that was in the process of wrapping up its days work. Here's a few pictures of the scene. Photos were taken July 2, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Sample Road work zone – Monroe County, Indiana, north of the City of Bloomington
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Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from about a quarter mile south of the Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. As the 9 pm hour approached, crew members operating road rollers were still at work, making their passes to properly compact the recently laid asphalt.

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Calling it a day–a long day's work–near the Sample Road interchange (background); looking north.

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The paving crew checks over its equipment near the Sample Road interchange before heading home; looking north.

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The first photo above cropped, providing a slightly different perspective.

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The future Sample Road/Interstate 69 interchange; looking north. Three of the four ramps are now open to traffic, with work continuing on the northbound entrance ramp.

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After a long day of work, a paving crew member appears to walking back to where his car is parked; looking south from near the Sample Road interchange.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Nacho on July 08, 2018, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 02, 2018, 01:23:32 PM
Came across this photo a little while ago and would like to share with the forum.

Ten Years Ago – Martinsville, Indiana, and State Road 37.
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Courtesy Monty Howell/The Herald-Times. Photo date: June 7, 2008.
Looking northwest toward a small section of Martinsville, Indiana, and State Road 37. Ten years ago in early June of 2008, flooding ravaged central Indiana and Martinsville in particular. The flooding pictured was not due to the White River which flows just to the west of Martinsville, but by the nearby waterways of Sartor Ditch and Indian Creek. Sartor Ditch, which runs roughly parallel to SR 37 in the vicinity of the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection in Martinsville, crosses under the highway via a culvert just north of the intersection, after which it continues on for a way, eventually joining Indian Creek. As I-69 Section 6 construction moves forward, an interchange will be built at Ohio Street (not pictured, but just to the left). It's a good bet the Sartor Ditch culvert will be replaced and enlarged, though that would not stop a flood of this scope. If you'd like to view the area on Google Maps, search "Sartor Ditch" and Martinsville. To get your bearings, the blue roofed building is South Elementary School.

Link to photo and article (but unfortunately behind a paywall):
https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/photos-remembering-the-flood/article_3beab645-6c03-5673-9c2c-1582b456b3a0.html

More Section 5 photos coming soon.

I was visiting family in Bloomington when the flood happened. In fact my original plan had been to head back that day. At first it wasn't clear how bad it would be or how extensive the damage was, but 37 was open the next day with, as I recall, just a couple short sections where it was reduced to two lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 08, 2018, 03:46:29 PM
I worked at a summer camp in Bloomington that year and drove home literally the evening before it started to rain. Coming back to the camp on Sunday I had to drive SR 67 and SR 39 to get around Martinsville. I remember the water levels at Lake Monroe being high the rest of the summer just to get rid of the flood waters of that storm.

Speaking of the highway I traveled south this afternoon to check out the construction. I noticed the bridges at SR 48, SR 45 and Tapp all had Bloomington on their signs. I also noticed that the Fullerton Pike overpass had "Monroe County" on its bridge and thought it was a weird place. Personally I think the Chamber Pike overpass would be a good place for Monroe County to welcome motorists into the county. I remember some ten years ago when they had a nice big blue sign that welcomed people into Monroe County that went away for no reason. Other state highways had similar signs, they were connected to a wayfinding system that Bloomington used, and still does use in some capacity.

Back to the bridges, I also found it odd that the overpass for the southbound lanes of Walnut Street at Exit 123 had "Indiana University" on the bridge. While I guess the road does serve as an entry way to the IU campus it still is several miles away from IU. Speaking of that interchange, heading north on Walnut Street onto SR 37 I saw a new sign posted just past the bridge over the road that said "Freeway Entrance" along with the SR 37 shield and presumably an I-69 shield in the future. To my knowledge this is the first time I've ever seen a Freeway Entrance sign in Indiana but I think it's unique due to the interchange's design.

Finally, I saw the control city signs at the SR 48 interchange were changed, the old signs had state highway shields with rounded corners. The new signs have I-69, SR 37 and SR 45 and indeed has Evansville for southbound and Indianapolis for northbound. To my knowledge this may be the first sign for northbound I-69 with Indy on it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 08, 2018, 11:05:52 PM
During the afternoon on Friday, July 6th, I was in the vicinity of the Fullerton Pike interchange. And, of course, I had the camera. However, I didn't like the results due to the heat shimmer and high afternoon sun. So I went back in the early evening when the sun was low in the western sky. Here's what I got. Photos were taken July 6, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Views from the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 interchange
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The view looking north from the Fullerton Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. The bridges pictured carry, respectfully, from front to back, Tapp Road (nearest); State Road 45/Bloomfield Road; the Indiana Rail Road line (blue); and State Road 48/Third Street. The distance between the Fullerton Pike overpass and the Third Street bridge is almost exactly three miles.

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Another perspective looking north from the Fullerton Pike overpass, with the Tapp Road interchange in the mid-background.

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Closer look at State Road 37 and bridges spanning the highway within the city limits of Bloomington; looking north.

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The view looking south from the Fullerton Pike overpass. In the mid-background is the Rockport Road overpass, while the signage in the deep background is for the I-69/SR 37 interchange.

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Closer look at the I-69/SR 37 interchange signage; looking south.

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Long range perspective looking south from the Fullerton Pike overpass.

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Another look north toward State Road 37 (soon to be Interstate 69) from the Fullerton Pike overpass. With the telephoto lens, distance sometimes has the appearance of being compressed. It's three miles to the farthest bridge pictured–SR 48/Third Street.

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The same view as above, but about six hours earlier. It was all but impossible to get a crisp picture due to the heat shimmer.

Edit: Grammar
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on July 09, 2018, 09:09:51 AM
ITB, thanks for the photo update.  It is looking more and more like the Bloomington section is changing into the I-69 that we are expecting to see.  With all of this work, the finish line appears to be just around the bend, and it has taken long enough.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 09, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
More photos. I thought I had posted these earlier, then realized I had not. The pictures were taken Wednesday, July 4, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from about a mile south of the Sample Road/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. Pictured is the overpass that carries College Ave./N. Walnut Street and the southbound exit ramp leading to that road. Further back is the Kinser Pike overpass. College Ave/Walnut Street is one of the principal routes to Indiana University in Bloomington.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 from the new western local access, or frontage, road (left), about 1 1/4 mile south of the Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana.

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The view of SR 37 from about a mile north of the Sample Road interchange; looking slightly northwest. At this location, work continues on a sewer installation.

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The sewer installation, mentioned above, adjacent to the northbound mainline; looking west.

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Looking north toward State Road 37 from near the intersection of Fox Hollow Road and Wayport Road. On the right is the new eastern local access road–signed Wayport Road in its entirety–that links into the Sample Road interchange about a mile to the south. The access road also will connect to Chambers Pike just around the bend in the background.

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Closer look at soon-to-be Interstate 69 and the concrete barrier walls that separate the mainline from the frontage roads; about 1 1/2 mile north of the Sample Road interchange.

Edit: To correct minor mistake
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 09, 2018, 02:36:37 PM

A few more. Again, photos were taken Wednesday, July 4, 2018.

Sample Road interchange and vicinity
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Looking north toward the new eastern local access, or frontage, road from near the State Road 37/E. Wylie Road temporary access point, about a mile south of the Sample Road interchange. When the frontage road completes, this access point will be sealed off. From then on drivers who wish to access Interstate 69 from this vicinity will need to utilize the Sample Road interchange.

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Long range view looking south toward State Road 37 and the new eastern local access road. In the background is the overpass and exit ramp for College Avenue/N. Walnut Street, which leads into Indiana University and the northern sections of the city of Bloomington. The Kinser Pike overpass is in the deep background.

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The ramp to future northbound Interstate 69 at the Sample Road interchange; looking north. The interchange's other three ramps already have been completed and are open to traffic. In the background, a sliver of the old northbound lanes of SR 37 is visible. That pavement will be removed, as it will not be used for the local access road.

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Slightly closer perspective of the northbound ramp at the Sample Road interchange.

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Another look at the work underway on the eastern local access road south of the Sample Road interchange; looking north.

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And one more look south toward the College Ave/Walnut Street overpass and partial interchange.

That's it for now. Later this month or in early August I plan to head up once again to the northern parts of Section 5 in Morgan County.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on July 10, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 02, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 14, 2018, 01:08:38 PM
Does anyone here know the current subsection breakdowns for Section 6?

Per INDOT, the breakdown of the five segments of Section 6 are as follows:

- Martinsville – just south of Indian Creek to one mile north of SR 44

- Morgan County 1 – one mile north of SR 44 to one mile north of Henderson Ford Road

- Morgan County 2 – one mile north of Henderson Ford Road to one mile south of SR 144

- Johnson County – one mile south of SR 144 to one half mile north of Wicker Road

- Marion County – one half mile north of Wicker Road to I-465
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on July 10, 2018, 09:51:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 08, 2018, 11:05:52 PM
Views from the Fullerton Pike/SR 37 interchange
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The contractor who installed that non-compliant, full-width exit tab panel on the Tapp Rd exit should be forced to replace it with a proper one. This isn't California!  :D

On another note, the BGS for the partial interchange at the north end of Bloomington should also be replaced to remove the College Avenue designation, as the route that exits is (and has always been) Walnut Street. Southbound College doesn't begin until several miles later, when the one-way split begins near the SR 45/46 bypass. At the very least, it should read "Walnut St" on the top line and "TO College Ave" on the bottom.

Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from about a mile south of the Sample Road/I-69 interchange in Monroe County, Indiana.
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on July 19, 2018, 07:08:59 PM
The Sample Road interchange is fully open now. I notified Google Maps of this. Maybe if others did as well it will be updated sooner.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on July 20, 2018, 10:46:51 AM
I went ahead and added Section 6 to Wikipedia's exit list as unbuilt exits (sans the SR 39 interchange), since Martinsville construction is going to start in 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69_in_Indiana#Exit_list
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on July 21, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
I just updated Open Street Map to reflect the completion of the Sample Rd traffic interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on July 26, 2018, 01:09:07 PM
Google Maps has been updated to reflect the Sample Road interchange completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 31, 2018, 08:56:09 PM
I was just taking a glance that the Circle K gas station at Sample Road and SR 37 is now closed. The hell? I thought it was in a good location at the access, maybe not directly connected to the highway but with interchange access getting to it would not be too different, and probably better than accessing gas stations off the busy 3rd Street exit. And this is not forgetting that there are no rest areas along the entire highway and one gas station directly off the interstate between Bloomington and Evansville (at US 231.)

And when the hell is Washington going to start building stuff off this highway for motorists. I thought they wanted this?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 01, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
Perhaps in the long-term this interstate will be worth it but the economic disruption its construction has caused is significant, not to mention the tragic loss of life.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 01, 2018, 04:36:39 PM
how are there no rest areas on this entire highway? that's weird
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on August 01, 2018, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 01, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
Perhaps in the long-term this interstate will be worth it but the economic disruption its construction has caused is significant, not to mention the tragic loss of life.

One could say that about almost any Interstate constructed in the 62 years of the system's existence.  Of course, since new significant mileage is relatively rare these days, and media coverage has reached functional saturation, a great deal of attention and scrutiny will be given to these "aftermarket" segments until they've been in use for a while; that includes coverage and/or analysis of all the factors and components of and for the new facility.  The economic impact of such activities can and will be examined to the nth degree; one shouldn't expect any less for projects of such a magnitude.  But that doesn't push the scales toward a universal "no build" environment (despite the wishes and exhortations of certain parties); each project or instance will be judged on its own merit or lack thereof -- and the ultimate judgment will be passed well after the facility is up and running or, conversely, has been consigned to the dustbin of unfulfilled plans now out of the public eye -- the "it was a mistake to build this" vs. "it should have been built while we had the chance" dichotomy.  For better or worse, there will always be some degree of hindsight; that's part & parcel of any public works project these days.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on August 01, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 01, 2018, 04:36:39 PM
how are there no rest areas on this entire highway? that's weird

Are any planned?  In many cases the original Interstate highways opened without rest areas, which were then completed several years later.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 02, 2018, 02:24:36 AM
Quote from: Beltway on August 01, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 01, 2018, 04:36:39 PM
how are there no rest areas on this entire highway? that's weird

Are any planned?  In many cases the original Interstate highways opened without rest areas, which were then completed several years later.

A rest area was planned and included in Section 3, but construction was deferred to a later date. Here's the pertinent section (verbatim) of the Tier 2 Record of Decision, Section 3: Washington to Crane NSWC:

2.1.7 Rest Areas
As stated in the Tier 1 ROD, the number and locations of rest areas will be determined in Tier 2. This
ROD approves the location and construction of a rest area in Section 3 at County Road 1100N, as
discussed in Section 6.2.1.3 of the FEIS. INDOT may elect to defer the construction of the rest area. If
construction of the rest area is deferred, INDOT may also elect to defer purchase of the right-of-way
needed for the rest area until the rest area is programmed for construction.

Link: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/files/I69/2011/02/Section3_ROD.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 02, 2018, 07:31:14 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 01, 2018, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 01, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
Perhaps in the long-term this interstate will be worth it but the economic disruption its construction has caused is significant, not to mention the tragic loss of life.

One could say that about almost any Interstate constructed in the 62 years of the system's existence.  Of course, since new significant mileage is relatively rare these days, and media coverage has reached functional saturation, a great deal of attention and scrutiny will be given to these "aftermarket" segments until they've been in use for a while; that includes coverage and/or analysis of all the factors and components of and for the new facility.  The economic impact of such activities can and will be examined to the nth degree; one shouldn't expect any less for projects of such a magnitude.  But that doesn't push the scales toward a universal "no build" environment (despite the wishes and exhortations of certain parties); each project or instance will be judged on its own merit or lack thereof -- and the ultimate judgment will be passed well after the facility is up and running or, conversely, has been consigned to the dustbin of unfulfilled plans now out of the public eye -- the "it was a mistake to build this" vs. "it should have been built while we had the chance" dichotomy.  For better or worse, there will always be some degree of hindsight; that's part & parcel of any public works project these days.

it was definitely necessary, should have been built originally with the original interstate plans.  south of memphis is just a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 02, 2018, 07:37:30 AM
isn't this the month 69 is supposed to be substantially complete?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 02, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 02, 2018, 07:37:30 AM
isn't this the month 69 is supposed to be substantially complete?
Correct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 02, 2018, 07:47:27 PM
The interstate is essentially done up to Third Street- lanes are all striped, etc. All of the interchanges are open except the one at Liberty Church Road, which is almost complete. I drove from Sample Road to the split with 37 last Sunday and there still remains paving and striping work to do north of Bloomington. I think even more work needs to be done north of Sample Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 02, 2018, 08:59:25 PM
Back on the subject of rest areas, since I brought it up earlier, I was wondering what people here would think could be good locations for rest areas. I remember the Daviess County one ITB mentioned. I seem to remember that the rest area would be on just one side of the interstate with an interchange set up to allow both sides of the highway to access it. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a rest area there of course. As for other rest areas, I had two ideas but I'm curious about other suggestions. Going from south to north this would be my thoughts on rest areas along I-69, should INDOT ever feel the need to "program" it.

-Indiana Welcome Center along I-69 around Evansville. To save from the costs of building new ramps I could see one at one of the Evansville interchanges, specifically the Lynch Road exit. The folded diamond interchange creates an available space to the southeast of the interchange, making it fairly easy for northbound traffic to get on and off. The center could also serve southbound traffic through the interchange and could double as an Evansville welcome center for those coming from the north.

-Rest area in northern Daviess County as currently "planned"

-Rest area to be built at one of the planned exits in Morgan County, either at Liberty Church Road south of Martinsville or at Henderson Ford Road to the north. Just one rest  area could be built for traffic on both sides. The location toward the Indianapolis metro area puts this rest area in a similar range as the I-70 rest areas in Plainfield and Greenfield. Alternatively, a whole new rest area (with access from both sides) could be built somewhere between Martinsville and Waverly.

Just some ideas. I can't wait for Section 5 to be finally finished.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 02, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
There's no need for a rest area between Bloomington and Indy. That corridor is pretty developed. Somewhere in Daviess County north of Washington makes sense. The stretch between Evansville and Bloomington is pretty desolate and isolated. If you break down there you are SOL.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on August 02, 2018, 10:36:20 PM
Have to agree with no rest area between Bloomington and Indianapolis.  Even when I lived in the area in the late 1970s, the drive between the two was not onerous.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 03, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 02, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
There's no need for a rest area between Bloomington and Indy. That corridor is pretty developed. Somewhere in Daviess County north of Washington makes sense. The stretch between Evansville and Bloomington is pretty desolate and isolated. If you break down there you are SOL.

Is there a need for any 'NO SERVICES NEXT .... ' warning signs on parts of it?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: billtm on August 03, 2018, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 03, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 02, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
There's no need for a rest area between Bloomington and Indy. That corridor is pretty developed. Somewhere in Daviess County north of Washington makes sense. The stretch between Evansville and Bloomington is pretty desolate and isolated. If you break down there you are SOL.

Is there a need for any 'NO SERVICES NEXT .... ' warning signs on parts of it?

Mike

IIRC, there were plenty of 'Next Exit __ Miles' signs along the stretch between Bloomington and Evansville when I drove it, highlighting how sparsely populated that region is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 03, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
Well, okay about the rest area between Bloomington to Indianapolis, but I would have been nice to not have to stop in Martinsville or Bloomington for a break. As for lack of services, looking at Google Maps, I see that there's a gas station in Petersburg at SR 61 and SR 57 which has to be about two miles away from the exit. Likewise there's gas stations in Washington no more than two or so miles away, plus one at SR 64 and SR 57 in Oakland City. I would guess that these gas stations keep the true distance between services too low for some kind of signage, we aren't talking 40 miles between "services" virtually anywhere along I-69 when you take driving a mile or two down the road into account.

The point being, I don't know why these haven't been mentioned on logo signs? Speaking of which, I wonder if logo signs are planned for the exits around Bloomington (I think they might already be there though.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 03, 2018, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 03, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
Well, okay about the rest area between Bloomington to Indianapolis, but I would have been nice to not have to stop in Martinsville or Bloomington for a break. As for lack of services, looking at Google Maps, I see that there's a gas station in Petersburg at SR 61 and SR 57 which has to be about two miles away from the exit. Likewise there's gas stations in Washington no more than two or so miles away, plus one at SR 64 and SR 57 in Oakland City. I would guess that these gas stations keep the true distance between services too low for some kind of signage, we aren't talking 40 miles between "services" virtually anywhere along I-69 when you take driving a mile or two down the road into account.

There's gas stations already at pretty much every intersection that's going to be an exit between Martinsville and Indianapolis, although I suspect most of them will have to be demolished to make way for the exit ramps.

Quote from: tdindy88 on August 03, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
Speaking of which, I wonder if logo signs are planned for the exits around Bloomington (I think they might already be there though.)

There are logo services signs in Bloomington for the major exits (2nd street, 3rd street for sure).  They might not be all up at the moment because of the construction going on.  Anyone who drives though that section will think it's been an Interstate exit for 30-40 years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 03, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: billtm on August 03, 2018, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 03, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 02, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
There’s no need for a rest area between Bloomington and Indy. That corridor is pretty developed. Somewhere in Daviess County north of Washington makes sense. The stretch between Evansville and Bloomington is pretty desolate and isolated. If you break down there you are SOL.

Is there a need for any 'NO SERVICES NEXT .... ' warning signs on parts of it?

Mike

IIRC, there were plenty of 'Next Exit __ Miles' signs along the stretch between Bloomington and Evansville when I drove it, highlighting how sparsely populated that region is.

Interesting to me, too, is that my RMcN shows '10' as the interchange interval on the first segment of I-69 SW of IN 37 in Bloomington.  That is a STARK boundary between 'urban' and 'rural' on an interstate!  :-o

It kind of reminds me of the '5' on the first segment of I-74 west of I-465 in Indianapolis.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 04, 2018, 10:50:32 AM
The thing we all need to take into account is, most people nowadays have smartphones and other devices that can tell you in seconds where the nearest gas station is, where the nearest restaurants are, and so on.  Rest areas are going by the wayside, as evidenced by the states that are closing (Virginia) or want to close (Iowa) them.

Washington just inked a deal with INDOT to FINALLY take over Business 50 through town, pending a complete revamp of the road. I would hope that as part of the reconstruction that will make it the gateway to the city, they'd work on getting some signs on 69 to direct people to the local restaurants/gas stations/lodging. They're definitely needed!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Beltway on August 04, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 04, 2018, 10:50:32 AM
The thing we all need to take into account is, most people nowadays have smartphones and other devices that can tell you in seconds where the nearest gas station is, where the nearest restaurants are, and so on.  Rest areas are going by the wayside, as evidenced by the states that are closing (Virginia) or want to close (Iowa) them.

Virginia isn't closing any rest areas.   An idiot governor did that in 2009 to about 15 rest areas, and the next governor reopened all of them.

Rest areas have RESTROOMS, and your smart phone won't serve as a commode.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 04, 2018, 04:25:07 PM
The lanes are striped up to around Walnut Street so you can really see the road taking shape in Bloomington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 06, 2018, 02:09:55 PM
https://www.reporter-times.com/update-on-section/article_d5bc2924-5171-5b32-9234-2196104a12be.html

Still on track for substantial completion by end of August.  Liberty Church Road intersection southbound ramps are supposed to open tonight (so that intersection will be open).

Will be paving/other minor work to go after August.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 06, 2018, 03:21:53 PM
I just hope they have two lanes open each way by the end of August, although it seems there will be intermittent lane closures. With students moving to IU over the next couple of weeks, it is important that lane closures be kept to a minimum.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on August 08, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
I was looking at Google maps and noticed that it shows I-69 Section 5 going "over" Tapp Road, which is not correct; Tapp Road is the overpass bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 08, 2018, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: thefro on August 06, 2018, 02:09:55 PM
https://www.reporter-times.com/update-on-section/article_d5bc2924-5171-5b32-9234-2196104a12be.html

Still on track for substantial completion by end of August.  Liberty Church Road intersection southbound ramps are supposed to open tonight (so that intersection will be open).

Will be paving/other minor work to go after August.

The last part of that article had this interesting note:

Section 6 update

Surveyors have been out on Section 6 of the I-69 project for some time.

Section 6 runs from where Section 5 ends at Indian Creek Bridge to I-465 in Marion County.

Dietrick said INDOT will not send surveyors onto private property without prior notification.

A notification letter, Dietrick noted, will go out to every parcel owner along the corridor as surveying work enters the area.

"It is a good exchange of information,"  Dietrick said. "We need to know if there is dogs or animals out there and that kind of thing."

INDOT assisted the city of Martinsville in selecting design elements for the stretch of interstate that will traverse the city, and a survey ended last month for local, and some not so local, residents to give input.

"The final determination will be made by the (Martinsville) Aesthetics Committee,"  Dietrick said.

The committee will take the results from the survey into consideration and give extra weight to answers from Morgan County residents.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 09, 2018, 02:52:09 PM
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-section-5-substantial-completion-depends-weather-153656/

Quote from: Indiana Public MediaState officials say they'll know next week if they can meet their August 31st substantial completion deadline for I-69 Section 5.

INDOT Spokesperson for Section 5 Andy Dietrick says contingency plans were built into the current schedule, but most of those rain days have been used. So every rain day will push the completion date back by a day.

"Right now it's a milestone in the project calendar,"  Dietrick says. "It's not a major milestone for contractual, things that are going to have a huge financial impact."

Dietrick says Third Street bridge paving is underway and should be done by Friday. Crews will then begin to finish paving the Second Street bridge.

Striping and signal work could present some restrictions through next week, but Dietrick says construction crews will try to work around IU student move-in times.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 09, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I am going to take a drive on the road this Saturday to check the progress.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on August 10, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 02, 2018, 10:36:20 PM
Have to agree with no rest area between Bloomington and Indianapolis.  Even when I lived in the area in the late 1970s, the drive between the two was not onerous.
Except during the Blizzard of 1978. I made it through from Bloomington to Indy on the Tuesday after the storm (which began the previous Wednesday evening), but was glad I didn't have to do it any earlier than that!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on August 11, 2018, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 10, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 02, 2018, 10:36:20 PM
Have to agree with no rest area between Bloomington and Indianapolis.  Even when I lived in the area in the late 1970s, the drive between the two was not onerous.
Except during the Blizzard of 1978. I made it through from Bloomington to Indy on the Tuesday after the storm (which began the previous Wednesday evening), but was glad I didn't have to do it any earlier than that!
Heh.  I was in Bloomington for that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 11, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
https://fox59.com/2018/08/10/indot-section-5-of-i-69-project-will-be-completed-near-mid-september/

Sounds like "substantial competition" is delayed until mid-September and we might not see the I-69 shields go up until October for Section 5.

QuoteBLOOMINGTON, Ind. — After four years of work, I-69 is expected to be finally extended nearly another 22 miles, bringing it closer to Indianapolis.

Last August, the Indiana Department of Transportation took over direct control of Section 5 of the project, a stretch that goes from south of Bloomington to south of Martinsville. While no deadline was set, INDOT officials said at that time they wanted to be finished with the work by the end of August 2018.

"The August 31 target date for substantial completion was an aggressive schedule," Andy Dietrick, the INDOT spokesperson for the Section 5 project, said. "Our goal was to get out as quickly as possible. That's still the goal. Do it safely and do it right, but get out of the way of the folks in Bloomington and that's still our goal. I think the first couple weeks of September folks are going to see things changing significantly and things will be a lot better."

Dietrick said weather has pushed back some of the work, which is expected to keep workers from finishing before the end of the month.

Substantial completion will mean the road and interchanges will be built, but crews will remain in the area to line the lanes and shoulders, put in signage, and do a final check with workers. Dietrick said crews would remain in the area likely through October to complete those tasks.

"Over the next couple months, you're going to see a lot fewer barrels and a lot fewer crews," Dietrick said. "It will be a continuous wind down until we get to the point that we shield this as I-69."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 11, 2018, 02:00:54 PM
There are two lanes open each way up to at least Sample Road so traffic is moving smoothly. Lanes are fully striped up to just north of Kinser Pike. The Third Street interchange has been paved and is awaiting lane striping. There are two lanes of thru traffic open eastbound on Third, not sure about westbound.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 14, 2018, 03:22:53 PM
Yep, the substantial completion deadline for Section 5 has been pushed back again, according to the Herald Times. On top of that, the state will be doing some repair work to the SR 45/46 interchange over the next 2-3 months.

The good news is that the Liberty Church Road interchange is open.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 14, 2018, 09:46:33 PM
Found this article talking about this a little more: https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i69-section-5-aug-31-project-delayed-weeks-154013/

What I liked seeing was that picture of the I-69 signage planned for the 3rd Street interchange. For the first time in the Bloomington area we are seeing Indianapolis as the northbound control city for I-69.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 20, 2018, 01:50:06 AM
Yesterday I motored up to the Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County for a look see and to take some pictures. No doubt that Section 5 is nearing the finishing line. Paving is underway along two or three longish stretches of roadway. To be sure, there's still significant work that remains, but the end of Section 5 construction is rapidly approaching.

Here's a few pictures from the vicinity of Liberty Church Road interchange. Photos were taken Sunday, August 19, 2018, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc., as per your browser.

Liberty Church Road interchange, Morgan County, Indiana
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Looking north from the Liberty Church Road overpass toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County, Indiana. In the mid-background are the bridges over Jordan Creek. On the near right is the northbound entrance ramp from Liberty Church Road, while further right is the local access, or frontage, road and its respective bridge over Jordan Creek.

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Another perspective looking north from the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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Signage at the Liberty Church Road interchange; looking northwest. In the foreground is the southbound exit ramp to Liberty Church Road, while behind is the local access road.

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Long range view looking north from near the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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The Liberty Church Road overpass and signage, looking east; plus an official Indiana Department of Transportation Bench Mark.

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Close-up of the Bench Mark on the Liberty Church Road overpass. To me, the numbers are a bit confusing, as the average elevation of Morgan County, Indiana, is significantly higher than 85 feet. Some of you, I imagine, know exactly how to decipher the Mark and its figures.

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Looking south toward soon-to-be Interstate 69 from the Liberty Church Road overpass. The left lane and shoulder of the southbound roadway still needs a final layer of asphalt, the paving of which will likely happen this week.

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Another perspective looking south, showing the placement of the Bench Mark. In the background right is the new western frontage road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 20, 2018, 02:29:53 AM
The numbers aren't the elevation - that looks to go in the blank rectangle that hasn't been etched/stamped/otherwise filled in yet. What you've got there is the actual benchmark number (they would write it as 53-S-0085).

What I find interesting is that I think it's in Morgan County, so the number should start with 55 and not 53. INDOT's been working to verify benchmarks, so this will probably get fixed when someone checks it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 20, 2018, 02:42:08 AM

A few more. Again, photos were taken Sunday, August 19, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Liberty Church Road work zone, Morgan County, Indiana
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Long range view looking south toward SR 37 from near the Liberty Church Road overpass in Morgan County, Indiana.

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Closer view of the roadway looking south from the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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Another perspective looking south.

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Another look north toward the mainline and the bridges over Jordan Creek. Section 5 ends just around the bend in the background.

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The intersection of Liberty Church Road and the eastern local access, or frontage, road, which has been signed Old State Road 37; looking southwest.

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Equipment lined up on a section of unopened frontage road just north off Liberty Church Road; looking east. The pavement in the foreground is the northbound entrance ramp to SR 37, now open to traffic.

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More signage; looking east toward Liberty Church Road and the overpass that will carry it over I-69.

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Using the telephoto lens, another view of the mainline roadway looking south from the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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The Liberty Church Road overpass and signage; looking east.

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The interchange's southbound ramps (foreground) and the western frontage road (background), now signed Legendary Drive.

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A vehicle on the southbound exit ramp to Liberty Church Road; looking north.

That's all for now. I'll try to get out again this week to take a few more. Before we know it, the orange barrels will be coming off the roadway as this project begins to wrap up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 20, 2018, 10:19:30 AM
That's about as close as one can build frontage roads to a freeway as one can.  Did InDOT give any consideration to doing a narrow median with a barrier on I-69 itself through there?

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on August 20, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 20, 2018, 01:50:06 AM
Photos were taken Sunday, August 20, 2018, unless otherwise noted.
August 20 is a Monday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 20, 2018, 11:36:01 PM

Bench Mark – Liberty Church Road overpass/interchange, Morgan County

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Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 20, 2018, 02:29:53 AM
The numbers aren't the elevation - that looks to go in the blank rectangle that hasn't been etched/stamped/otherwise filled in yet. What you've got there is the actual benchmark number (they would write it as 53-S-0085).

What I find interesting is that I think it's in Morgan County, so the number should start with 55 and not 53. INDOT's been working to verify benchmarks, so this will probably get fixed when someone checks it.

Interesting. So the 53 number on the Bench Mark indicates the county. But as you note, it isn't correct here as, in Indiana, 53 is the number for Monroe County, while 55 is for Morgan County. It seems this particular Bench Mark was destined for Monroe County but somehow ended up being placed on the Liberty Church Road overpass, which is, most certainly, in Morgan County.

As this kind of Mark is new to me, I'm wondering what the purpose is and how common they are?

Quote from: mgk920 on August 20, 2018, 10:19:30 AM
That's about as close as one can build frontage roads to a freeway as one can.  Did InDOT give any consideration to doing a narrow median with a barrier on I-69 itself through there?
As I have no insight into the planning or design of Section 5, I can only surmise that INDOT likely looked at various options for the frontage roads, including a narrow median for the mainline. Another option, I imagine, was to acquire more Right-of-Way for the frontage roads to ensure more separation, but that may have engendered more opposition from landowners. Ultimately, the design featuring adjacent mainline and frontage roads, in short sections, separated by a concrete barrier wall was chosen. Whether it will prove to be the best solution, only time will tell.

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 20, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 20, 2018, 01:50:06 AM
Photos were taken Sunday, August 20, 2018, unless otherwise noted.
August 20 is a Monday.
Ah, yes. It's been corrected.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 21, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
They're VERY common. As in, everywhere. INDOT has been working to update their records on them, so their locator isn't 100% accurate. But it is pretty cool.

https://entapps.indot.in.gov/dotmaps/Benchmarks/DefaultMap.htm

I'm not sure why they put them in, but I do know they're supposed to be installed every 1 1/2 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on August 21, 2018, 08:45:16 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 20, 2018, 10:19:30 AM
That's about as close as one can build frontage roads to a freeway as one can.  Did InDOT give any consideration to doing a narrow median with a barrier on I-69 itself through there?

Mike

I suspect a few things going on:

- Preserving ROW for a third lane in each direction when (not if) it will be needed.

- INDOT is treating the mainline as a rehabilitation, and not making major (or any) deviations from the existing mainline alignment of SR 37. Notice that, unlike elsewhere on the I-69 buildout, all paving on the mainline is in asphalt. Underneath that asphalt is the (possibly rubbleized) original concrete roadbed.

Had it been an outright rebuild, all traffic would've been shunted onto one side or the other, and that road would've been built out in concrete. When they come back in about 15-20 years, don't be surprised if they 6-lane it then. In concrete.

- Opting to do shorter stretches of concrete barrier between highway and frontage road instead of one long stretch of concrete median barrier.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on August 21, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 20, 2018, 02:42:08 AM

A few more. Again, photos were taken Sunday, August 19, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Liberty Church Road work zone, Morgan County, Indiana
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Long range view looking south toward SR 37 from near the Liberty Church Road overpass in Morgan County, Indiana.

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Closer view of the roadway looking south from the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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Another perspective looking south.

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Another look north toward the mainline and the bridges over Jordan Creek. Section 5 ends just around the bend in the background.

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The intersection of Liberty Church Road and the eastern local access, or frontage, road, which has been signed Old State Road 37; looking southwest.

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Equipment lined up on a section of unopened frontage road just north off Liberty Church Road; looking east. The pavement in the foreground is the northbound entrance ramp to SR 37, now open to traffic.

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More signage; looking east toward Liberty Church Road and the overpass that will carry it over I-69.

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Using the telephoto lens, another view of the mainline roadway looking south from the Liberty Church Road overpass.

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The Liberty Church Road overpass and signage; looking east.

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The interchange's southbound ramps (foreground) and the western frontage road (background), now signed Legendary Drive.

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A vehicle on the southbound exit ramp to Liberty Church Road; looking north.

That's all for now. I'll try to get out again this week to take a few more. Before we know it, the orange barrels will be coming off the roadway as this project begins to wrap up.
Did you happen to notice if the Legendary Dr designation for the western frontage road extended south beyond Liberty Church Rd? If so, does it go all the way down to Turkey Track Rd, at its now-removed former northern access point to SR 37?

Again, many thanks for the updates & photos!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 21, 2018, 07:37:00 PM
Please don't quote posts with a bunch of pictures in them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 21, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 21, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
Did you happen to notice if the Legendary Dr designation for the western frontage road extended south beyond Liberty Church Rd? If so, does it go all the way down to Turkey Track Rd, at its now-removed former northern access point to SR 37?

Again, many thanks for the updates & photos!

While I only came across one sign, I tend to think the entire western frontage road is designated Legendary Dr all the way down to Turkey Track Road. Next time I up that way I'll look for more signage to confirm that assumption. Here's a photo of the sign at the intersection of Liberty Church Road and Legendary Drive:

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Looking west from near the Liberty Church Road overpass toward the intersection of Liberty Church Rd. and the western frontage road, signed Legendary Drive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2018, 02:43:09 PM

As Section 5 is on the verge of reaching substantial completion, I decided to head out and take another batch of pictures. Here's a selection. Photos were taken Thursday, August 23, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Vicinity of the Chambers Pike overpass Work Zone
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The overpass, now open to traffic, that carries Chambers Pike over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in northern Monroe County, Indiana; looking slightly southwest.

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The view looking north toward the Chambers Pike overpass, as well as the frontage roads in the vicinity. The western frontage road (left) is open to traffic, while the eastern, in this area, is not quite ready.

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Closer look at the western frontage road near the Chambers Pike overpass; looking north. Note how the frontage road goes underneath the overpass. To access the overpass, one must turn left at this point and onto Chambers Pike (just to the left; formerly N. Crossover Road).

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Long range view looking south from the Chambers Pike overpass. Mainline is left; western local access, or frontage, road, right.

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Another perspective looking south from the Chambers Pike overpass toward soon-to-be Interstate 69 and the new western frontage road.

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Slightly different view looking south from the Chambers Pike overpass.

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The view looking north from the Chambers Pike overpass.

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A quiet moment, traffic wise, at the Chambers Pike overpass; looking southwest.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 24, 2018, 03:29:58 PM
Looks like some paving and lane striping are all that is left to finish. The portion through Bloomington is essentially done. Google Maps was finally updated to reflect the completion of the Liberty Church Road interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2018, 03:57:25 PM
Here's a few more. Again, photos were take Thursday, August 23, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Vicinity of the Chambers Pike overpass
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Looking north from the Chambers Pike overpass toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in northern Monroe County, Indiana. The new local access, or frontage, road is on the left. That road, will be signed Burma Road, as up ahead (deep background, just around the curve) it connects into, yes, Burma Road.

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Another look north from the Chambers Pike overpass. As a Thursday evening began to fall in South-Central Indiana, traffic on State Road 37 seemed lighter than usual. It was about 7pm when the photo was taken.

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Long range view with the telephoto lens looking south from the Chambers Pike overpass.

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Closer look of the roadway using the telephoto lens; looking south from the Chambers Pike overpass. This stretch of roadway is more than a mile from the overpass.

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A slightly different perspective looking north from the Chambers Pike overpass using the telephoto lens.

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North of the Chambers Pike overpass, zooming in on where the mainline splits to pass through the Big Hill in northern Monroe County. Likely, the hill has a name, but I have no idea what it might be.

Vicinity of the former Burma Road/State Road 37 crossing
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Traffic passing through the aforementioned hill on the southbound lanes of SR 37, a little north of the former Burma Road/SR 37 crossing. And, no, I wasn't close to the edge; it just appears that way.

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And here's the other direction; looking slightly southeast. A lot of rock was blasted in this area to bring the roadway to interstate standards.

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The former Burma Road/State Road 37 crossing, which was closed to traffic just a few hours prior to when the photo was taken; looking east.

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The view looking southeast from near the former Burma Road/SR 37 intersection. The partially paved western frontage road, which will be signed Burma Road, is on the right.

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Another perspective looking south from near the former Burma Road/SR 37 crossing.

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Crew members have moved quickly to remove the pavement where Burma Road formerly intersected with SR 37; looking east.

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A southbound vehicle on SR 37 nears the crest of the Big Hill just north of the former SR 37/Burma Road crossing; looking north.

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Near the former Burma road crossing, traffic on State Road 37 heads south toward Bloomington and points further on; looking southeast.

Edit: changed a photo size; replaced a broken photo link



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 25, 2018, 04:37:08 AM
Thank you for keeping us posted with all these great pictures, ITB. The documentation of this project that you've provided has been top notch all the way, and I am grateful to get an "up close and personal" look without actually being there.  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 26, 2018, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 25, 2018, 04:37:08 AM
Thank you for keeping us posted with all these great pictures, ITB. The documentation of this project that you've provided has been top notch all the way, and I am grateful to get an "up close and personal" look without actually being there.  :clap:

Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 26, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Here's a few more pictures. I didn't plan head out for a photo shoot, but after spending some time in downtown Bloomington I still had an hour or so to spare, so I decided to go for another look see.

Very considerable progress is evident in and around in Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County and on down to Bryant Creek near the Monroe/Morgan county line. This stretch looks to be all paved up, with only striping work to be completed. With the mainline roadways essentially finished in Bloomington and on up to the the bridges crossing Griffy Creek, it appears crews are now in the process of laying down the final layer of asphalt between between Bryant Creek and Griffy, a distance of roughly 8 miles. Depending on the weather, it will probably take another couple of weeks, perhaps three, but substantial completion of Section 5 is close at hand.

The following photos were taken Saturday, August 25, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 (soon-to-be Interstate 69) from near the former intersection of SR 37 and Paragon Road in Morgan County, Indiana.

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Closer look, again looking south from near the former intersection of SR 37/Paragon Road.

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Looking south, from near the southern terminus of Turkey Track Road in Morgan County, toward the mainline roadways as they split to pass through the Big Hill in northern Monroe County. Almost all along the Section 5, fencing, with a single strand barb wire top, is now in place.

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Closer look with the telephoto lens of the point where the mainline roadways split, just past the bridges crossing Bryant Creek; looking south.

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Long range view looking south from near the former SR 37/Paragon Road crossing.

Edit: Minor grammar correction.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 27, 2018, 01:24:23 PM
Any guesses when section 5 will be done?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 27, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 27, 2018, 01:24:23 PM
Any guesses when section 5 will be done?

Weather permitting, I think its reasonable to believe they'll be done with major construction by the end of September.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on August 27, 2018, 11:36:33 PM
I see in that last picture you got a good shot of a truckers toll booth. This one was in yellow.

Very convenient for quick deposits.   :spin: :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on August 28, 2018, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 27, 2018, 11:36:33 PM
I see in that last picture you got a good shot of a truckers toll booth. This one was in yellow.

Very convenient for quick deposits.   :spin: :awesomeface:

They need a few of those on I-69! 😂 That is the reason I don't run it, due to the lack of places to pull off and take a break.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 28, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 27, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 27, 2018, 01:24:23 PM
Any guesses when section 5 will be done?

Weather permitting, I think its reasonable to believe they'll be done with major construction by the end of September.

Agreed, then I expect I-69 signage to be uncovered sometime in October.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on August 29, 2018, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 21, 2018, 07:37:00 PM
Please don't quote posts with a bunch of pictures in them.
My apologies, meant to edit out all the photos but got distracted.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 30, 2018, 09:50:37 AM
IU worked with INDOT and the Governor's office to ensure four lanes of traffic are open on 37/69 on days when IU has a home football or basketball game.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 31, 2018, 09:09:26 AM
Quote from: ITB on August 26, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Here's a few more pictures. I didn't plan head out for a photo shoot, but after spending some time in downtown Bloomington I still had an hour or so to spare, so I decided to go for another look see.

Very considerable progress is evident in and around in Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County and on down to Bryant Creek near the Monroe/Morgan county line. This stretch looks to be all paved up, with only striping work to be completed. With the mainline roadways essentially finished in Bloomington and on up to the the bridges crossing Griffy Creek, it appears crews are now in the process of laying down the final layer of asphalt between between Bryant Creek and Griffy, a distance of roughly 8 miles. Depending on the weather, it will probably take another couple of weeks, perhaps three, but substantial completion of Section 5 is close at hand.

The following photos were taken Saturday, August 25, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 (soon-to-be Interstate 69) from near the former intersection of SR 37 and Paragon Road in Morgan County, Indiana.

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Closer look, again looking south from near the former intersection of SR 37/Paragon Road.

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Looking south, from near the southern terminus of Turkey Track Road in Morgan County, toward the mainline roadways as they split to pass through the Big Hill in northern Monroe County. Almost all along the Section 5, fencing, with a single strand barb wire top, is now in place.

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Closer look with the telephoto lens of the point where the mainline roadways split, just past the bridges crossing Bryant Creek; looking south.

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Long range view looking south from near the former SR 37/Paragon Road crossing.

Edit: Minor grammar correction.
Looks very close to completion, thank you ITB!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 31, 2018, 02:34:18 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 31, 2018, 09:09:26 AM
Looks very close to completion, thank you ITB!

Indeed, it is very close to being done. And, thank you for the shout out. Glad to know you and others have enjoyed the photos!

Here's a few more of the paving now underway between the Griffy Creek bridges and the bridges that cross over Bryant Creek in northern Monroe County. Covering a distance of approximately eight miles, crews are now applying the final layer of asphalt along this stretch of roadway. It looks to be about 50-60% completed, and only a few more days should be needed to finish the job, weather permitting. Photos were taken Thursday, August 30, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward Indiana State Road 37 (soon-to-be Interstate 69) and the SR 37/College Ave-Walnut Street partial interchange in Monroe County, Indiana. In the background is the Kinser Pike overpass.

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Looking north toward the mainline roadways about a mile and a quarter south of the Sample Road interchange. The southbound lanes are left, while the new eastern frontage, or local access, road is far right. Crew members have applied a fresh tack coat on the southbound right lane and shoulder area in preparation to paving, expected to be underway today, Friday, August 31.

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Closer look of the paving underway near the SR 37/College Ave-Walnut Street partial interchange; looking south. Beyond the bridges crossing Griffy Creek (visible in the background underneath College Ave/Walnut Street sign), the construction barrels have been pulled right, allowing three traffic lanes.

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Another paving crew at work just north of the mainline bridges crossing Bryant Creek in northern Monroe County; looking south. After the team reaches the Bryant Creek bridge, completing the paving of the right shoulder and a section of the right lane, it appears they'll swing around and do likewise for southbound lanes. With the exception of the left lane and shoulder between Griffy Creek and Bryant Creek, a distance of about eight miles, the northbound roadway of Section 5 has received its final, top layer of asphalt.

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Slightly closer look at the paving underway on the northbound roadway near the Bryant Creek bridges; looking south.

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Long range view looking north toward the Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana. The new western frontage road, presumably signed Legendary Road along this segment (there are no signs up yet), is on the left.

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The Turkey Track Road access point to State Road 37 about a mile and half south of the Liberty Church Road interchange; looking northeast. This is the only remaining non-interchange access point to/from SR 37 in Section 5. It will be closed permanently next week.

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And one last one. A long range view looking south toward the SR 37/College Ave-Walnut Street partial interchange.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 05, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
https://www.953mnc.com/2018/09/05/holcomb-announces-1billion-infrastructure-spending-plan/

Indiana is getting $1 billion from the Indiana Toll Road (in exchange for increasing the tolls on heavy trucks 35%) and $600 million is going to complete I-69 Section 6 by 2024.

Quoteo   Accelerate completion of I-69 Section 6 from 2027 to 2024 ($600 million)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 06, 2018, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: thefro on September 05, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
https://www.953mnc.com/2018/09/05/holcomb-announces-1billion-infrastructure-spending-plan/

Indiana is getting $1 billion from the Indiana Toll Road (in exchange for increasing the tolls on heavy trucks 35%) and $600 million is going to complete I-69 Section 6 by 2024.

Quoteo   Accelerate completion of I-69 Section 6 from 2027 to 2024 ($600 million)

Getting I-69 finished to Indy faster, and Kentucky moving at full speed to finish their section to thw Tennessee line will indeed put pressure on Indiana and Kentucky to get the bridge over the Ohio River built sooner rather than later, before the US-41 bridges become a major chokepoint with miles-long traffic jams when both stretches of I-69 are finished.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on September 07, 2018, 02:39:44 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 06, 2018, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: thefro on September 05, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
https://www.953mnc.com/2018/09/05/holcomb-announces-1billion-infrastructure-spending-plan/

Indiana is getting $1 billion from the Indiana Toll Road (in exchange for increasing the tolls on heavy trucks 35%) and $600 million is going to complete I-69 Section 6 by 2024.

Quoteo   Accelerate completion of I-69 Section 6 from 2027 to 2024 ($600 million)

Getting I-69 finished to Indy faster, and Kentucky moving at full speed to finish their section to thw Tennessee line will indeed put pressure on Indiana and Kentucky to get the bridge over the Ohio River built sooner rather than later, before the US-41 bridges become a major chokepoint with miles-long traffic jams when both stretches of I-69 are finished.

The one problem with the Purchase Parkway segment of I-69 is that even if it is completed/upgraded all the way to the TN state line, TN has been building their section directly south of there at what could be generously described as a "leisurely" pace south to I-155 at Dyersburg.  And the last stretch into Memphis metro is the poster child for the "kick the can down the road" phenomenon!  Even when the KY-155 stretch is finished (which technically means a through if circuitous Interstate corridor to Memphis), it's not likely that substantial amounts of traffic from Indy to Memphis and vice-versa will overwhelm the I-69 corridor for the time being; it'll likely take full completion -- including both the Ohio River bridge and the Memphis-Dyersburg segment -- to draw significant traffic away from the existing corridors (70/57/55 or 65/40).  No doubt there will be some increase in cross-river traffic attributable to I-69 on both sides of the river -- but until the "missing links" from Indy to Memphis are addressed, the US 41 Ohio River crossing probably won't be much more of a persistent bottleneck than it is today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 07, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
Building Section 6 in four years will take some major construction work. It will make Section 5 look like paving potholes. Interested to see how all of that plays out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 07, 2018, 06:04:42 PM
Personally I always believed that the two year time frame for the original Section 5 construction was way too optimistic to be reality. The fact that it ultimately took about four to five years to construct it might be a bit more realistic, especially since it isn't a new terrain route. The problem was that we were sold on an unrealistic time frame and when the crap hit the fan it looked a lot worse than it probably would have been if a more realistic timeline had been given. US 31 in Carmel took five years to build into a freeway over existing routing and that was mainly over flat terrain, with a useful alternative for half of the route with Keystone Parkway.

Still, if they work at the intensity that they had for Section 5 over the past year or so since the state took over, it could be a little more possible, I think that 2025 or 2026 would be more realistic considering all the work they have to do around Martinsville and along 37 north of SR 144. It's probably a little more difficult then rebuilding an already near-freeway like bypass around Bloomington and mostly rural highway north of there.

Looking at the weather this coming weekend, I imagine it may not be until the end of this month before Section 5 nears completion, looks like a complete washout on any kind of meaningful construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on September 07, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
^^^^^^^
As far as new-terrain vs. "overlay" freeways are concerned, the pros and cons of either probably end up being something of a "wash".  Obviously, rural new-terrain facilities require considerably more property acquisition -- but with an overlay alignment, the properties that do have to be purchased are likely to be more costly on a unit-by-unit basis, particularly roadside commercial enterprises.  And overlay freeways have an issue that doesn't affect new-terrain construction except where other roads are crossed -- ensuring that there are means for traffic on the original facility to move as efficiently as possible during the construction period.  For a 2-lane original road, that usually means twinning it, moving traffic to the new carriageway, then rebuilding the original alignment in like fashion.  In the case of I-69, IN 37 was already a divided road with a relatively wide median; through traffic would have to be somewhat inconvenienced by confining the traffic flow to one carriageway at a time while the other was being rebuilt; of course, the intersecting roads would face similar issues.  The one advantage of overlay freeways is site access -- egress is ensured and the time required to transport materials and crews on-and-off site is lessened considerably vis-à-vis new-terrain alignments such as just down the road southwest of Bloomington.  But that is offset by the time consumed to tear down existing roadways and structures prior to the "upgrade" rebuild -- while endeavoring to minimize disruption to existing traffic patterns over the entire construction process.

Bottom line -- anyone or any agency expecting Sections 5 & 6 to require less time for completion compared to the new-terrain sections south toward Evansville is just fooling themselves; if anything, the historic Indy-Bloomington traffic flow would render those sections particularly problematic.   The fiscal problems simply made an intrinsically difficult build even more difficult to complete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 07, 2018, 09:03:28 PM
If the state had managed Section 5 from the beginning the project would have been completed a year ago. The private developer wasted so much time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 07, 2018, 11:29:43 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 07, 2018, 06:04:42 PM
Looking at the weather this coming weekend, I imagine it may not be until the end of this month before Section 5 nears completion, looks like a complete washout on any kind of meaningful construction.

Yup, it's going to a wet weekend, no doubt. Good weather, however, is expected to return early next week. Section 5, to be sure, is very near completion. The northbound lanes, in their entirety, are now completely paved. Only a modest segment of the left lane and shoulder of the southbound roadway is needing its final top layer of asphalt. After that completes, joint sealant will be applied, followed by a cure period of up to five days. Then it's on to lane striping and the installation of reflectors. The I-69 shields are going up, too. There's an uncovered one on the southbound lanes near the SR 37/SR 46 interchange with an attached mileage marker–"120 mile". I also noticed a crew south of the Tapp Road interchange getting ready to put up a shiny new I-69 shield.

Edit: minor correction for accuracy
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 12, 2018, 07:13:09 PM
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-to-hear-public-input-in-martinsville-on-i-69-section-6-design.php

Section 6 meeting in Martinsville Monday

Quote from: Indiana Public MeetingThe Indiana Department of Transportation will host a public meeting in Martinsville Monday to get feedback on design additions and adjustments to I-69 Section 6.

The section of interstate will run from Martinsville to Indianapolis and will cost up to $1.5 billion.

Over the summer, Martinsville leaders sought public input on design elements like wall barriers, fencing and ornamental lighting. INDOT officials will present an adjusted design plan at Monday's meeting.

"Some of the Martinsville items we'll discuss are significant additions, some are minor tweaks and some have to do with timing," said I-69 Section 6 Project Manager Jim Earl in a statement.

INDOT will publish the revised plan online after the meeting. Public comment will be accepted online through Sept. 28.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on September 14, 2018, 01:03:45 PM
Does anyone know the start date for Section 6?

Once they get it north of Martinsville its almost clear sailing until you hit 144. I have said for years the should build a bridge over 144 and 37 years ago. I hope they will work hard on Martinsville first 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 14, 2018, 03:01:04 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on September 14, 2018, 01:03:45 PM
Does anyone know the start date for Section 6?

Once they get it north of Martinsville its almost clear sailing until you hit 144. I have said for years the should build a bridge over 144 and 37 years ago. I hope they will work hard on Martinsville first

2020 although some prelim work could start next year
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 14, 2018, 05:01:49 PM

Two contracts for I-69 Section 6 are in the INDOT 18-month contract letting schedule. They are as follows:

Contract#: 40848
Letting Date: 12-12-2018

County: Morgan
District: Seymour

Components of Contract #40848 include:
- New Bridge, Other Construction – South Street over Sartor Ditch
- New Bridge, Other Construction – South Street/Grand Valley Boulevard over I-69
- New Road Construction – Grand Valley Boulevard from South Street to Cramertown Loop
- New Road Construction – Artesian Avenue from Mahalasville Road to Grand Valley Boulevard
- Signs, Lighting, Signals and Markings – Grand Valley Boulevard to Artesian Avenue

Contract#: 33493
Letting Date: 7-10-2019

County: Morgan
District: Seymour

Components of Contract #33493 include:
- Bridge Replacement, Other Construction – I-69 northbound and southbound (NB/SB) over Indian Creek
- Bridge Replacement, Other Construction – I-69 NB/SB over SR 39
- New Bridge, Other Construction – I-69 NB/SB over Ohio Street
- New Bridge, Other Construction – I-69 NB/SB over Sartor Ditch
- New Bridge, Other Construction – I-69 NB/SB over SR 252 / Hospital Drive
- New Bridge, Other Construction – SR 44 / Reuben Drive over I-69
- New Bridge, Other Construction – Ohio Street over Sartor Ditch
- New Bridge, Other – Old Ohio Street over Sartor Ditch
- Signs, Lighting, Signals and Markings – from Indian Creek via SR 37 to 1 mile N of SR 44


The letting of Contract #33493 signals the gearing up of major work on Section 6, in which State Road 37 will be upgraded to interstate standards between the city of Martinsville in Morgan County, Indiana, to Interstate 465 in Marion County. The Section 6 project encompasses 26.7 miles, which includes elements of I-465 widening both east and west of the new I-69/I-465 interchange.

Contract #33493 is for Segment 1 of Section 6, and it applies to the stretch of SR 37 from just south of the city of Martinsville to one mile north of SR 44. Because there weren't any Road Construction entries found under Contract #33493 in the INDOT 18-Month Construction Letting List (as of August 16, 2018), it can be assumed the "Other Construction" of the Replacement/New Bridge entries will cover the mainline work in and around the bridges and interchanges. But maybe not.

With the successful letting of Contract #40848, scheduled for December 12, 2018, work should get underway in the Spring of 2019. While this contract mainly involves the construction of local access roads–Artesian Avenue and Grand Valley Boulevard–a new overpass carrying South Street/Grand Valley Boulevard over I-69 is to be built as well. INDOT officials have stated they wish to commence major Section 6 construction in fiscal year 2020, which begins October 1, 2019. If the July 10, 2019 letting of Contract #33493 goes well, it's very possible construction under that contract will begin in the Fall of 2019.

* There is one difference that has come to my attention between the details of Contract #33493 and the official INDOT Section 6 maps. In Contract #33493, bridges are to built to carry the mainline I-69 roadways over Ohio Street in Martinsville, while the map (uploaded on the INDOT Section 6 website) shows Ohio Street going over I-69. Obviously, this is a major discrepancy. In all likelihood, this will be addressed and cleared up at the I-69 public meeting in Martinsville Monday, September 17, 2018.

Link to INDOT 18-Month Construction Letting List (as of Aug 16, 2018): https://www.in.gov/indot/div/lettings/18MonthsConstLettingDetails_Ext.pdf

Link to INDOT Section 6 map (Indian Creek to Grand Valley Boulevard): https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Map%201%20Indian%20Creek%20to%20Grand%20Valley%20Boulevard.pdf

Edit: Added the paragraph denoted by the * and the link to the INDOT Section 6 map; grammar.


 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 17, 2018, 04:34:29 PM
Definitely sounds like we're getting close to substantial completition:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i-69-section-5-restrictions-back-in-place-this-week.php

QuoteAccording to a release from the INDOT I-69 Section 5 office, the following restrictions will be in place for the week of Monday, September 17:

Flaggers will be in place on both eastbound and westbound Fullerton Pike from 7 a.m. to
5 p.m. to direct traffic around crews working on punch list items.
There will be lane restrictions on both 2nd Street and 3rd Street from 7 p.m. Monday to 6
a.m. Tuesday for the installation of detector loops and other traffic signal hardware.
The right lane of southbound SR 37 will be closed from Vernal Pike to south of Acuff
Road for the installation of road sign posts.
The left lanes of northbound SR 37 from Kinser Pike to the Sample Road interchange
will be closed for guardrail installation.
The right lane of northbound SR 37 from the Sample Road interchange to Burma Road
will be closed for the installation of shoulder stone.
The left lane of northbound SR 37 from Burma Road to Jordan Creek will be closed for
median work.
The right lane of northbound SR 37 from Jordan Creek to Big Indian Creek will be closed
for the placement of shoulder stone.
The left lane of southbound SR 37 from Indian Creek to south of Bryant's Creek will be
closed for shoulder and median work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 17, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
once you hear the term "punch list" the project is basically over. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 18, 2018, 07:51:48 AM

Section 5 is now officially Interstate 69.

Here's a segment of the news article announcing the official designation, published Tuesday, September 18, 2018, in the Herald-Times, South-Central Indiana's main newspaper. 

QuoteSection 5 officially part of I-69
Traffic Tuesday

By Michael Reschke 812-331-4370 | mreschke@heraldt.com 6 hrs ago

The 21 mile section of Ind. 37 that has been under construction for four years is now officially part of Interstate 69.

The Federal Highway Administration has accepted this section into the interstate highway inventory, said Scott Manning, Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman, in an email. As a result, all I-69 signs being installed along the route will not have covers or bags on them. Covers will be removed from I-69 signs that were installed before the official designation as final inspections are completed.

There will be signs for both Ind. 37 and I-69 along the I-69 Section 5 route. The interstate and state highway merge into one road just south of Rockport Road in Monroe County. I-69 Section 5 then follows essentially the same route as Ind. 37 north to the Indian Creek bridge in Morgan County.

Despite the official designation, work will continue along I-69 Section 5 for some time. ...

And, of course, to commemorate the event a picture is needed.

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I-69 shields at the Interstate 69/Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. Photo was taken Saturday, September 15, 2018.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 18, 2018, 08:45:15 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2018, 07:51:48 AM

Section 5 is now officially Interstate 69.

Here's a segment of the news article announcing the official designation, published Tuesday, September 18, 2018, in the Herald-Times, South-Central Indiana's main newspaper. 

QuoteSection 5 officially part of I-69
Traffic Tuesday

By Michael Reschke 812-331-4370 | mreschke@heraldt.com 6 hrs ago

The 21 mile section of Ind. 37 that has been under construction for four years is now officially part of Interstate 69.

The Federal Highway Administration has accepted this section into the interstate highway inventory, said Scott Manning, Indiana Department of Transportation spokesman, in an email. As a result, all I-69 signs being installed along the route will not have covers or bags on them. Covers will be removed from I-69 signs that were installed before the official designation as final inspections are completed.

There will be signs for both Ind. 37 and I-69 along the I-69 Section 5 route. The interstate and state highway merge into one road just south of Rockport Road in Monroe County. I-69 Section 5 then follows essentially the same route as Ind. 37 north to the Indian Creek bridge in Morgan County.

Despite the official designation, work will continue along I-69 Section 5 for some time. ...

And, of course, to commemorate the event a picture is needed.

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I-69 shields at the Interstate 69/Sample Road interchange in Monroe County, Indiana; looking east. Photo was taken Saturday, September 15, 2018.

About time!  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 18, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?

That's right. Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges crossing Indian Creek, which is located about a mile south of SR 39. Northbound, there's a "Freeway Ends" sign up on the right hand side as the road bends toward the bridges.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 18, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?

That's right. Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges crossing Indian Creek, which is located about a mile south of SR 39. Northbound, there's a "Freeway Ends" sign up on the right hand side as the road bends toward the bridges.
I don't see a picture, ITB.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 18, 2018, 10:34:30 AM
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The proposal for Section 6 is to completely close SR37 in Martinsville in 2021 for a year to knock out most of the construction

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-proposal-calls-for-closing-portion-of-sr-37-in-martinsville-during-i-69-construction.php

Quote from: Indiana Public MediaThe Indiana Department of Transportation wants to close a portion of State Road 37 in Martinsville in 2021 to finish I-69 construction.

The agency announced the plan during a reevaluation meeting at Martinsville High School Monday night.

It was the biggest of several changes outlined in the proposal. 

INDOT Strategic Communications Director Scott Manning says the closure would last from spring to fall and allow contractors to finish construction more quickly.

"We will have State Road 37 closed to thru traffic from the State Road 44 area to State Road 39," Manning says. "All of the local, east-west roads will stay open."

Traffic would be diverted to State Roads 39 and 67 during that closure.

INDOT also plans to make improvements to SR 39 and several local roads to accommodate the increased traffic expected during the detour. 

I like the idea here since people in the know are going to use SR 39/SR 67 to go to Indianapolis anyway.

Full presentation isn't up yet
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2535.htm

I-69 going over Ohio Street instead of vice-versa saves 5 residential properties.

Also the timeline document seems to indicate the Martinsville I-69 construction will be done after 2021.

https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Constr_by_Yr_.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 18, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Section 5 should have ended right before the SR 39 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 18, 2018, 07:12:13 PM
Overall I think its a good idea.

However, IN-39 is going to get overwhelmed between IN-67 and IN-37.

While its 4 lane over the White River, its a local 2 lane all the rest of the way and requires a left turn at Morton Ave. It also has an "at grade" railroad crossing.

If INDOT was smart they would turn the IN-39/Morton Ave into a permanent curve NW and make Morton the signal that has to wait.

Ban left turns at local streets that aren't part of the local service routes.

The 3 gas stations along the way are going to love this. So is the Morgan County Sheriff, as they can set up up shop for radar right in front of their office!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 19, 2018, 01:53:23 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 18, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?

That's right. Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges crossing Indian Creek, which is located about a mile south of SR 39. Northbound, there's a "Freeway Ends" sign up on the right hand side as the road bends toward the bridges.
I don't see a picture, ITB.

Nope, don't have one ... yet. Next time I'm up that way ...  In the meantime, here's a few shots from Monday, September 17, 2018.

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Looking south toward the southbound lanes of Interstate 69 from the I-69/Tapp Road interchange overpass in Monroe County, Indiana.

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Looking north toward the southbound lanes of I-69 from the Tapp Road overpass.


These two photos were among the last shots I took before my camera didn't function as well as it should have. In other words, it broke, as I later came to realize. Another camera body, with a modest upgrade to megapixels and ISO, already has been purchased, so fear not, I'll still be out and about taking photos.

Later in the early evening on September 17, 2018, I motored up to Martinsville, Indiana, to attend the I-69 Section 6, Martinsville, Design Update Meeting at Martinsville High School. About 100 to 150 people attended. Perhaps the biggest news of the presentation was the proposed complete closure of SR 37 (no through traffic) throughout Martinsville during the construction season of 2021. The closure would run from the SR 39/SR 37 interchange north to the SR 37/E. Morgan Street crossing, located about a mile north of the SR 37/SR 44 intersection. A map depicting the closure and proposed detour has been posted above.

Initially, when I heard the word "closure" I wasn't paying too much attention. Then I began to realize it might pertain to SR 37. No way, I thought. Did I hear that right? I asked myself. But, sure enough, when the presentation shifted to the proposed detour, it began to sink in. Wow! Complete closure. Umm. You gotta wonder how this is going to go over when it becomes more widely known. Not well, I imagine. Thing is, I'm not sure INDOT has many options. Due to certain factors, INDOT plans to lower the mainline roadbed 15 feet in the vicinity of SR 37/SR 44 and to the north–at least that's what I remember hearing. I could be mistaken here, so keep that in mind. Anyway, if that's the plan, I can't imagine the twin roadways, or even one, perhaps, staying open, during the massive excavation, which will likely involve considerable blasting activity. Prior to closing SR 37, INDOT intends to make improvement to SR 39 and Morton Street, which will likely ease some congestion. Nevertheless, this may become a very challenging traffic management issue.

Here's a few pictures from the I-69 Section 6, Martinsville, Design Update Meeting, September 17, 2018 at Martinsville High School. They're soft, a little blurry in spots ... um ... they suck ... my apologies.

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INDOT staff and consultants were on hand to answer questions from attendees at the I-69 Section 6, Martinsville, Design Update Meeting, September 17, 2018, at Martinsville High School.

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Maps depicting the construction zone and interchange configurations were carefully examined by many attendees.

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Jim Earl, I-69 Section 6 Project Manager, solely handled the meeting's presentation, which lasted about 30-45 minutes.

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After his presentation, Jim Earl, personally met with and took questions from meeting attendees.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 19, 2018, 10:37:28 AM
I see that I-69 mile marker and reassurance shield in the 1st picture! Looks nice
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on September 20, 2018, 01:49:49 AM
Thanks for the info ITB.  How is the general reaction from the public at these meetings? I don't get the sense the Martinsville populace is as riled up against this as Bloomington was a few years back.

Any comments on the proposed closing of IN-37. I am warming to the idea as it should speed the project up considerably. I wish there had been an alternative route between Bloomington and Martinsville.

I am concerned about the Martinsville Starbucks, as that has become a regular stop for me. Hopefully the locals will keep it afloat until the project is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 20, 2018, 12:22:37 PM
Seems like we're a week to a week and a half away from official substantial completion of Section 5, per this article.  Also they'll be uncovering other I-69 shields as they go through the punch list.

https://www.reporter-times.com/news/local/interstate-access-federal-highway-administration-declares-section-as-an-interstate/article_0c85aaaa-8f27-5aac-a697-f5ae476bc8c7.html

Quote from: Reporter TimesManning noted that all of the paving along the mainline of the project, the interstate itself, wrapped up last week.

"What the crews are working on now is paving on some of the access roads,"  Manning said.

On the mainline of the highway, crews are installing rumble strips on the shoulders of the travel lanes.

Workers are also completing work known as fog sealing on the highway.

"(Fog sealing) is just sealing the joints where the asphalt meets,"  Manning said.

Some other work that needs to be complete is putting down the lane markings on the interstate.

Getting the lane markings complete, Manning noted, will be a significant factor in considering the project as substantially complete.

"We anticipate maybe about a week to a week and a half to get that striping done, but we are very close,"  Manning said Tuesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 20, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
Quote from: thefro on September 20, 2018, 12:22:37 PM
Seems like we're a week to a week and a half away from official substantial completion of Section 5, per this article.  Also they'll be uncovering other I-69 shields as they go through the punch list.

https://www.reporter-times.com/news/local/interstate-access-federal-highway-administration-declares-section-as-an-interstate/article_0c85aaaa-8f27-5aac-a697-f5ae476bc8c7.html

Quote from: Reporter TimesManning noted that all of the paving along the mainline of the project, the interstate itself, wrapped up last week.

“What the crews are working on now is paving on some of the access roads,” Manning said.

On the mainline of the highway, crews are installing rumble strips on the shoulders of the travel lanes.

Workers are also completing work known as fog sealing on the highway.

“(Fog sealing) is just sealing the joints where the asphalt meets,” Manning said.

Some other work that needs to be complete is putting down the lane markings on the interstate.

Getting the lane markings complete, Manning noted, will be a significant factor in considering the project as substantially complete.

“We anticipate maybe about a week to a week and a half to get that striping done, but we are very close,” Manning said Tuesday afternoon.
Looks like I’m taking a road trip to see the new highway October 6th or 7th! Very excited.

ITB, will you be taking photos of Section 5 and 6 still?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Duke87 on September 21, 2018, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on September 18, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Section 5 should have ended right before the SR 39 interchange.

There appears to be an at-grade intersection remaining near Indian Creek. Said intersection is likely the end of the designation.

Of course, it's still a fair question why this intersection was not eliminated as part of Section 5 construction.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 21, 2018, 08:15:40 PM
Said intersection will be eliminated when Section 6 is built according to the plans for Martinsville so it will only be this way for a short time.

I'm guessing that Section 5 didn't end at the interchange because they were unsure at the time at the configuration of that interchange. Ending it there might mean having to commit to building that interchange and that would have been dependent on everything else going on in Martinsville, which is just now being finalized.

Section 4 was the same way, ending just outside of Bloomington, but because of the two multi-lane highways intersecting they, rightfully, constructed the interchange between them and ended it there. There is not that much of an urgent need to do so with Martinsville since all of that is going to be a construction zone for a few years anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 22, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 19, 2018, 01:53:23 AM

...  In the meantime, here's a few shots from Monday, September 17, 2018.

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Looking south toward the southbound lanes of Interstate 69 from the I-69/Tapp Road interchange overpass in Monroe County, Indiana.
Any word on why INDOT went with the D10-4 Reference Post signs here rather than the D10-5 ones? Bloomington is an URBAN area, and 1/10-mile RPs would certainly be more than justified along this stretch. Could they simple have been getting cheap on us again?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 22, 2018, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 22, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 19, 2018, 01:53:23 AM

...  In the meantime, here's a few shots from Monday, September 17, 2018.

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Looking south toward the southbound lanes of Interstate 69 from the I-69/Tapp Road interchange overpass in Monroe County, Indiana.
Any word on why INDOT went with the D10-4 Reference Post signs here rather than the D10-5 ones? Bloomington is an URBAN area, and 1/10-mile RPs would certainly be more than justified along this stretch. Could they simple have been getting cheap on us again?

also why arent those on the jersey barrier?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on September 22, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 22, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Any word on why INDOT went with the D10-4 Reference Post signs here rather than the D10-5 ones? Bloomington is an URBAN area, and 1/10-mile RPs would certainly be more than justified along this stretch. Could they simple have been getting cheap on us again?

INDOT value engineered this road from the start to get it built as quickly as possible so it is certainly possible eliminating mileage markers to save money occurred.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MikeTheActuary on September 22, 2018, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 06, 2011, 01:33:03 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 05, 2011, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 04, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
Every example I can think of where an interchange with ghost ramps had the missing freeway built, the interchange in question was partially or entirely redesigned anyway.

Counterexample: I-84/CT 9.

How long between initial construction and completion?

20 years, give or take.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 22, 2018, 08:52:30 PM
Having just traveled down to Bloomington to see the new interstate I'm even more baffled by those blue mile marker signs. The half-mile mark along the highway there  is still marked with the more usual white-on-green mile marker signs that are found elsewhere along I-69 (and most of the country.) So whole mile markers are blue signs and half mile marker signs are green. What the hell.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: yakra on September 23, 2018, 12:04:08 AM
Can anyone confirm the exit numbers for Liberty Church Rd and IN 45/46, or have photos?
For TravelMapping, and we don't necessarily trust OSM or Wikipedia. :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 23, 2018, 12:19:55 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 18, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?

That's right. Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges crossing Indian Creek, which is located about a mile south of SR 39. Northbound, there's a "Freeway Ends" sign up on the right hand side as the road bends toward the bridges.
I don't see a picture, ITB.

A pic & a name for that would be appreciated so we can properly get I-69's 'current' northern end added to our file for the route over at TM too. ;)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on September 23, 2018, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: yakra on September 23, 2018, 12:04:08 AM
Can anyone confirm the exit numbers for Liberty Church Rd and IN 45/46, or have photos?
For TravelMapping, and we don't necessarily trust OSM or Wikipedia. :)

https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/opinion/hotline-i--exit-numbers-and-dining-with-dogs/article_bf500043-16ca-5094-9924-0901a8ba4f96.html

That's the original source I used to update the Wikipedia page.  I believe someone pulled up the plans for the exit signs at some point in this thread as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 23, 2018, 03:45:47 PM
Quote from: yakra on September 23, 2018, 12:04:08 AM
Can anyone confirm the exit numbers for Liberty Church Rd and IN 45/46, or have photos?
For TravelMapping, and we don't necessarily trust OSM or Wikipedia. :)

Here's a few photos of the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange. They were taken September 15, 2018, two days before SR 37 was officially designated Interstate 69.

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Looking north toward the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange from the Vernal/17th Street overpass in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana.

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Closer look at the I-69/SR/46 interchange with the telephoto lens; looking north.

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Long range perspective looking north toward the SR 45/46 interchange. Mile marker 119.5 is on the right.

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Another long range view looking north from the Vernal Pike/17th Street overpass.

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Slightly closer view than the above.

Here's a few in the vicinity of the I-69/Sample Road interchange, located north of the city of Bloomington. Again, photos were taken September 15, 2018.

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Looking south toward I-69 from the Sample Road overpass.

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Signage at the Sample Road interchange's western roundabout; looking east.

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Looking north toward the southbound lanes of Interstate 69 from the Sample Road overpass. Note the median cable barrier. Several thousand feet of cable barrier has been installed between the Sample Road and Liberty Church Road interchanges.

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The western frontage, or local access, road that veers off south from the Sample Road interchange's western roundabout; looking south.

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Long range view looking southeast toward I-69 and the now shuttered Exxon/Circle K Mart.

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More signage at the Sample Road interchange's western roundabout; looking slightly northeast.


As I noted in an earlier post, my camera is no longer functioning as it should. I purchased another camera body through eBay–a beautiful, carefully cared for piece of equipment–and whaddya know, surprise (not really), that camera had the exact same problem. Welcome to my life guys.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 23, 2018, 05:17:15 PM
As someone who has camped at McCormick's Creek State Park many times over the years and teased the lifeguards from Ellettsville working at the pool, brings back good memories to see those signs at the IN-46 exit.

IN-246 between Clay City and Spencer is some great motorcycling just west of this exit.  Hope I-69 brings up some more campers and business through Spencer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 23, 2018, 09:12:54 PM
As I mentioned yesterday I took a quick trip down this way and snapped a few photos. Hopefully it provides some answers to what people had been asking earlier.

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Speed limit signs, I was wondering if anyone knew what the speed limits might actually be. Whatever they are it would seem that Sample Road is the boundary between the two different zones.

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Liberty Church Road exit sign

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The end of the freeway, right before the Indian Creek bridges.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 25, 2018, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 23, 2018, 09:12:54 PM
As I mentioned yesterday I took a quick trip down this way and snapped a few photos. Hopefully it provides some answers to what people had been asking earlier.



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Speed limit signs, I was wondering if anyone knew what the speed limits might actually be. Whatever they are it would seem that Sample Road is the boundary between the two different zones.


I do recall seeing in one of the NEPA documents that Sample Road is the boundary between the "Rural" and "Urban" sections, so that is likely why there may be a speed limit change near there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 25, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2018, 03:45:47 PM

Here's a few photos of the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange. They were taken September 15, 2018, two days before SR 37 was officially designated Interstate 69.

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Long range perspective looking north toward the SR 45/46 interchange. Mile marker 119.5 is on the right.
Okay, somebody at INDOT needs to explain why they allowed the signage contractor to mix different types of Reference Post signs there in Bloomington? Perhaps someone needs to give both parties a copy of the MUTCD and make them actually read it! Reference Post 119.5 (pictured here) uses a GREEN background D10-3a, while RP 116 just 3.5 miles to the south uses a BLUE background D10-4 sign (see further up thread). Reference Post signs are supposed to be CONSISTENT along a given route (MUTCD Section 2H.06 paragraph 05), and they have no excuse for not doing so on this brand new section of I-69! Also, aren't they supposed to use ".0" on the integer RPs if intermediate markers are present (MUTCD Section 2H.05 paragraph 05)?

I guess everybody is just happy to have this section substantially completed and couldn't care less at this point about such glaring errors in the technical details.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 26, 2018, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 25, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2018, 03:45:47 PM

Here's a few photos of the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange. They were taken September 15, 2018, two days before SR 37 was officially designated Interstate 69.

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Long range perspective looking north toward the SR 45/46 interchange. Mile marker 119.5 is on the right.
Okay, somebody at INDOT needs to explain why they allowed the signage contractor to mix different types of Reference Post signs there in Bloomington? Perhaps someone needs to give both parties a copy of the MUTCD and make them actually read it! Reference Post 119.5 (pictured here) uses a GREEN background D10-3a, while RP 116 just 3.5 miles to the south uses a BLUE background D10-4 sign (see further up thread). Reference Post signs are supposed to be CONSISTENT along a given route (MUTCD Section 2H.06 paragraph 05), and they have no excuse for not doing so on this brand new section of I-69! Also, aren't they supposed to use ".0" on the integer RPs if intermediate markers are present (MUTCD Section 2H.05 paragraph 05)?

I guess everybody is just happy to have this section substantially completed and couldn't care less at this point about such glaring errors in the technical details.

Designers regularly fuck up signage, they seem to love getting the font type wrong for state highways too. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 26, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
This highway is a beauty! Can't wait to drive it in mid-October!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on September 26, 2018, 01:23:01 PM
Given the rush to finish the project, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to just grab whatever mile marker blanks they had on-hand rather to minimize the amount of work to make signage.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 26, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 26, 2018, 01:23:01 PM
Given the rush to finish the project, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to just grab whatever mile marker blanks they had on-hand rather to minimize the amount of work to make signage.
I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case either.

Other than those minor details, the overall freeway looks fantastic with all that fresh pavement & shiny new guard rail. However, given the tendency of INDOT to over-salt our roadways when winter weather is predicted, we'll see just how pretty that pavement remains come next spring. But for now it is looking great, and will be absolutely spectacular once the bordering trees begin to change color in the next few weeks! So take your scenic photos of this new Interstate soon if you wish to capture its maximum aesthetic beauty.

And at long last, Bloomington is no longer one of the largest cities in the country without an Interstate or U.S. Highway running through it. One could argue it's not been on that list for a few years now, since Section 4 arrived, but that part of I-69 never officially made it all the way to B-town's city limits. Now there's no doubt that the city of my college days is in the big-leagues, roadway-wise.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 26, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 26, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
This highway is a beauty! Can't wait to drive it in mid-October!
Hope the fall colors peak for your trip. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 01, 2018, 02:33:06 PM

With the construction of Section 5 rapidly drawing to a  conclusion, here's a few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, September 30, 2018, unless otherwise noted. Remember, the photos can be expanded; just Right Click, and follow the procedures of your browser.

Interstate 69, Monroe County, Indiana

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Looking north toward Interstate 69 from the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County, Indiana. Work to stripe the lanes continues, as does reflector placement. Some drainage and utility work also continues in spots; note the small construction area adjacent to the eastern frontage road (background, right).

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Looking north toward the overpass that carries N. Walnut Street/College Avenue. Just past the crest of the hill in the background is the Sample Road interchange.

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Looking south toward the Kinser Pike overpass.

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Another perspective looking south toward the N. Walnut Street/College Ave. partial interchange and the Kinser Pike overpass (background).

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Long range view looking north from the Kinser Pike overpass.

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Again, looking north toward I-69 from the Kinser Pike overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 01, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 18, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?

That's right. Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges crossing Indian Creek, which is located about a mile south of SR 39. Northbound, there's a "Freeway Ends" sign up on the right hand side as the road bends toward the bridges.
I don't see a picture, ITB.

OK, here we go. Photos were taken September 23, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Interstate 69, Morgan County, Indiana
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Signage, about 1/2 mile north of the I-69/Liberty Church interchange in Morgan County, Indiana; looking north. Photo was taken Saturday, September 29, 2018.

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The eastern frontage, or local access, road, and signage just north of the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange. The frontage road bows out at this location due to a small family cemetery, which is visible in the background when the photo is expanded. September 29, 2018.

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Another view of the signage north of the Liberty Church Road interchange; looking north. September 29, 2018.

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Looking south toward the western frontage road near the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange.

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Looking north from the Liberty Church road overpass.

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Another perspective looking north from the Liberty Church Road overpass toward I-69 and the eastern frontage road. In the foreground are the bridges that cross over Jordan Creek.

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Near the bridge that carries SR 37 over Indian Creek in southern Morgan County, signage marks the current end of the newly designated northbound stretch of Interstate 69.

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Different view of the signage designating the end of northbound Interstate 69 in Morgan County.

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The Liberty Church Road overpass and right-of-way fencing; looking north.

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The facility for Section 5 contractor RoadSafe, located just north of the Liberty Church Road interchange.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/44876562711_7ae91df16a_k.jpg)
And, one last one, looking north from the Liberty Church Road interchange.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 01, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 01, 2018, 02:33:06 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1956/44113805845_44ccafbbae_k.jpg)
This picture is a gem.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F9s8p36.jpg&hash=c0a992505dacdad545354dceae9bc2cfab809127)
This sign, though, is not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 02, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: ITB on October 01, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 18, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 18, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
The designation stops abruptly at the bridge? It doesn't even make it to IN 39?

That's right. Section 5 ends just prior to the bridges crossing Indian Creek, which is located about a mile south of SR 39. Northbound, there's a "Freeway Ends" sign up on the right hand side as the road bends toward the bridges.
I don't see a picture, ITB.

OK, here we go. Photos were taken September 23, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

Interstate 69, Morgan County, Indiana
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1977/44113475035_14e592c772_k.jpg)
Signage, about 1/2 mile north of the I-69/Liberty Church interchange in Morgan County, Indiana; looking north. Photo was taken Saturday, September 29, 2018.

Are there any SB I-69 signs between the location of the "End Freeway" signs and the Liberty Church interchange?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 02, 2018, 07:46:15 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 01, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 01, 2018, 02:33:06 PM



(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F9s8p36.jpg&hash=c0a992505dacdad545354dceae9bc2cfab809127)
This sign, though, is not.

I doN't see aNythiNg wroNg with it...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on October 02, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on October 02, 2018, 07:46:15 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 01, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 01, 2018, 02:33:06 PM



(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F9s8p36.jpg&hash=c0a992505dacdad545354dceae9bc2cfab809127)
This sign, though, is not.

I doN't see aNythiNg wroNg with it...
I do. The “No” is slightly higher than “rth”

Also I’m driving the road Friday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 02, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 02, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on October 02, 2018, 07:46:15 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 01, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 01, 2018, 02:33:06 PM



(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F9s8p36.jpg&hash=c0a992505dacdad545354dceae9bc2cfab809127)
This sign, though, is not.

I doN't see aNythiNg wroNg with it...
I do. The "No"  is slightly higher than "rth"

Also I'm driving the road Friday.
I too prefer the letters to be the same height. Or at the very least, match the height of "o" with that of "rth".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on October 02, 2018, 10:35:46 AM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 25, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 23, 2018, 03:45:47 PM

Here's a few photos of the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange. They were taken September 15, 2018, two days before SR 37 was officially designated Interstate 69.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1854/30838379688_e966426dae_k.jpg)
Long range perspective looking north toward the SR 45/46 interchange. Mile marker 119.5 is on the right.
Okay, somebody at INDOT needs to explain why they allowed the signage contractor to mix different types of Reference Post signs there in Bloomington? Perhaps someone needs to give both parties a copy of the MUTCD and make them actually read it! Reference Post 119.5 (pictured here) uses a GREEN background D10-3a, while RP 116 just 3.5 miles to the south uses a BLUE background D10-4 sign (see further up thread). Reference Post signs are supposed to be CONSISTENT along a given route (MUTCD Section 2H.06 paragraph 05), and they have no excuse for not doing so on this brand new section of I-69! Also, aren't they supposed to use ".0" on the integer RPs if intermediate markers are present (MUTCD Section 2H.05 paragraph 05)?

I guess everybody is just happy to have this section substantially completed and couldn't care less at this point about such glaring errors in the technical details.

The Louisville East End bridge features a mix between green fractional mile marker signs and blue whole number signs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 02, 2018, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 02, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 02, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on October 02, 2018, 07:46:15 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 01, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 01, 2018, 02:33:06 PM



(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F9s8p36.jpg&hash=c0a992505dacdad545354dceae9bc2cfab809127)
This sign, though, is not.

I doN't see aNythiNg wroNg with it...
I do. The "No"  is slightly higher than "rth"

Also I'm driving the road Friday.
I too prefer the letters to be the same height. Or at the very least, match the height of "o" with that of "rth".
It was a joke...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on October 02, 2018, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 02, 2018, 10:35:46 AM

The Louisville East End bridge features a mix between green fractional mile marker signs and blue whole number signs.
Not at all surprised to learn that, since INDOT was in charge of the project (even to the point of Indiana taxpayers having to pay to build an unnecessary tunnel on Kentucky soil).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 03, 2018, 05:14:12 PM
The substantial completion date is TBD, maybe in a couple of weeks per INDOT. I don't understand how it takes so long to stripe the lanes and be done with it.

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-no-date-for-substantial-completion-of-i-69-section-5.php
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on October 05, 2018, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 26, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 26, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
This highway is a beauty! Can't wait to drive it in mid-October!
Hope the fall colors peak for your trip. Enjoy!
Driving tomorrow, so I hope so! Thank you!

So is the highway pretty much done around Bloomington?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on October 06, 2018, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 05, 2018, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 26, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 26, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
This highway is a beauty! Can't wait to drive it in mid-October!
Hope the fall colors peak for your trip. Enjoy!
Driving tomorrow, so I hope so! Thank you!

So is the highway pretty much done around Bloomington?
Just drove it! I can say the highway is pretty much complete. There's still barrels out but they'll probably be gone within a few weeks.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on October 06, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 06, 2018, 01:12:39 PM

Just drove it! I can say the highway is pretty much complete. There's still barrels out but they'll probably be gone within a few weeks.
Will those barrels be removed before or after the snowplows run over them? That is, of course, assuming we get any snow this winter.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 06, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on October 06, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 06, 2018, 01:12:39 PM

Just drove it! I can say the highway is pretty much complete. There's still barrels out but they'll probably be gone within a few weeks.
Will those barrels be removed before or after the snowplows run over them? That is, of course, assuming we get any snow this winter.

Be careful what you wish for...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 06, 2018, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on October 06, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 06, 2018, 01:12:39 PM

Just drove it! I can say the highway is pretty much complete. There's still barrels out but they'll probably be gone within a few weeks.
Will those barrels be removed before or after the snowplows run over them? That is, of course, assuming we get any snow this winter.

Under current global warming thinking we should have record snows this winter. Coldest ever!   :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 06, 2018, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 06, 2018, 02:41:36 PM

Under current global warming thinking we should have record snows this winter. Coldest ever!   :hmmm:

It is almost 90 degrees....in Bloomington....in October.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 06, 2018, 08:41:12 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 06, 2018, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 06, 2018, 02:41:36 PM

Under current global warming thinking we should have record snows this winter. Coldest ever!   :hmmm:

It is almost 90 degrees....in Bloomington....in October.

You mean that we're finally going to be getting that new Ice Age that we were promised when I was in school???

*KEWL!!!*

:cool:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on October 06, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
Well, with a warmer winter, and the moisture that typically comes with a warmer climate (exception: deserts), you actually get increased snowfall when the temperatures are at freezing or just below.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on October 07, 2018, 06:24:23 AM
How is the transition from I-69 to SR 37 south of Martinsville?
Does it flow steady or are there backups?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 07, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on October 07, 2018, 06:24:23 AM
How is the transition from I-69 to SR 37 south of Martinsville?
Does it flow steady or are there backups?

The actual transition point is just South of the SR 37 / SR 39 Interchange so there are, to the best of my knowledge, no stoplights or signals to cause a slowdown, aside from the signs for a 55mph speed limit change.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 08, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
There shouldn't be any major backups (outside of Indiana University Basketball/Football games) since the first stoplight is the Ohio Street interchange which is 1.2 miles away from the changeover point.  That's probably going to change once they crank up construction in Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 08, 2018, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 08, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
There shouldn't be any major backups (outside of Indiana University Basketball/Football games) since the first stoplight is the Ohio Street interchange which is 1.2 miles away from the changeover point.  That's probably going to change once they crank up construction in Martinsville.

they could adjust signal timing if it becomes a problem.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 08, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 08, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
There shouldn't be any major backups (outside of Indiana University Basketball/Football games) since the first stoplight is the Ohio Street interchange which is 1.2 miles away from the changeover point.  That's probably going to change once they crank up construction in Martinsville.

Although, Martinsville will begin section 6 construction as soon as next January.
This will be followed later (as early as late 2019?) with a complete diversion to SR67.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 09, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: andy on October 08, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 08, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
There shouldn't be any major backups (outside of Indiana University Basketball/Football games) since the first stoplight is the Ohio Street interchange which is 1.2 miles away from the changeover point.  That's probably going to change once they crank up construction in Martinsville.

Although, Martinsville will begin section 6 construction as soon as next January.
This will be followed later (as early as late 2019?) with a complete diversion to SR67.

that fast? is this a design build too? i was almost lucky enough to be involved in the design of this phase, but the company i work for didn't win the bid.  :-(
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 09, 2018, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 09, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: andy on October 08, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: thefro on October 08, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
There shouldn't be any major backups (outside of Indiana University Basketball/Football games) since the first stoplight is the Ohio Street interchange which is 1.2 miles away from the changeover point.  That's probably going to change once they crank up construction in Martinsville.

Although, Martinsville will begin section 6 construction as soon as next January.
This will be followed later (as early as late 2019?) with a complete diversion to SR67.

that fast? is this a design build too? i was almost lucky enough to be involved in the design of this phase, but the company i work for didn't win the bid.  :-(


My fault, I was typing from memory. The closure will actually be in 2020/2021.
Up thread, there is a picture linked from the state presentation. https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357433#msg2357433 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357433#msg2357433)
There will be surrounding construction, including an overpass and rebuilding SR39, in 2019 and 2020 to support the diversion.

I'm not sure of the answer to "design build".

Needless to say, smooth flow from the end of I69 to Indy will be short lived.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on October 10, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
Google Streetview has images of I-69 Section 4 up on the Web, from US 231 to Bloomington, IN (and maybe further as I only examined the section 4 area). The images are from April 2018. Here is the I-69/IN 45 interchange northbound:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9721861,-86.7458745,3a,75y,50.79h,89.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sconxehX-n0NJI8zOl7DRAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The image has an artifact on it. I don't know if the Google car had a cracked windshield, insect damage or something else. But, it's on the images both north and southbound.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on October 10, 2018, 08:27:31 PM
Correction: The images after the IN 445 interchange going northbound are from July 2018. This Google car has a clear windshield; we have a much clearer picture to view. See the great Harmony Road high bridge over the Interstate in Monroe county, south of Bloomington: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0721239,-86.6290279,3a,75y,88.86h,86.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy6I_z2RXdm6LgSEhQUIOqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 10, 2018, 08:41:18 PM
Google Maps still hasn't been updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. The corridor is an interstate now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on October 11, 2018, 02:29:44 PM
Are states averse to benching hills? I've noticed that many more highway cuts are just sloped cuts, reinforced with a lot more limestone or granite rock than ever before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on October 11, 2018, 02:50:45 PM
Just a quick reflection on section 5 - I drove it about 10 days ago, and having driven that road over 25 years, I think it's a major improvement. I was ambivalent about the new terrain south of Bloomington, and disappointed so far at how poorly constructed and signed it is, but the section north of Bloomington on to Indianapolis should have been upgraded long ago, and the state did a very nice job on it.

Also - big big THANK YOU to ITB for posting photos of the construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on October 11, 2018, 03:47:30 PM
Poorly constructed?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 11, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: seicer on October 11, 2018, 02:29:44 PM
Are states averse to benching hills? I've noticed that many more highway cuts are just sloped cuts, reinforced with a lot more limestone or granite rock than ever before.

IDOT is benching just about all of their high fill embankments now to reduce slope failure potential. IL 178 over the Illinois River is one design that I worked on and now in construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 11, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 09, 2018, 09:09:09 PM

that fast? is this a design build too? i was almost lucky enough to be involved in the design of this phase, but the company i work for didn't win the bid.  :-(

I spotted one of my co-workers doing some interchange design work on Section 6 a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on October 13, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 10, 2018, 08:41:18 PM
Google Maps still hasn't been updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. The corridor is an interstate now.
Google Maps is incredibly out of date since they dropped the Mapmaker option which allowed local users to do road edits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 20, 2018, 09:02:41 AM
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-hopes-to-reach-substantial-completion-of-i-69-section-5-in-coming-weeks.php

A couple weeks to go (hopefully) for substantial completion of Section 5:

Quote from: Indiana Public MediaThe Indiana Department of Transportation hopes to have mainline construction on I-69 Section 5 wrapped up within the next couple of weeks.

That means drivers can expect some lane and ramp closures.

The southbound ramp of I-69 that connects to eastbound State Road 45/46 will close Monday. INDOT Strategic Communications Director Scott Manning says crews need to install guardrails and fix deteriorating pavement.

"The ramp from I-69 to State Road 45/46 actually existed before the I-69 project, it was part of State Road 37," Maning says. "So, that ramp has been there for many years and has seen the wear and tear that's come along with that."

Drivers coming from the north can access SR-46 by exiting at Walnut or Third Street to access SR 46 east.

Crews also plan to patch local roads that experienced increased traffic as a result of I-69 construction. That includes Fullerton Pike, Leonard Springs Road and West Tapp Road.

Manning says crews also need to install drainage, signs and lighting along Section 5 before the project is considered substantially complete. All of that work depends on weather conditions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
They should be done now. There have been lane closures in Bloomington with absolutely NO work being done in the closed lanes or shoulder.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 20, 2018, 12:33:35 PM
I was reading this on Bloomington's Reddit forum this morning and I wondered if there was any truth to some of the comments there: https://www.reddit.com/r/bloomington/comments/9pdplt/three_constructed_finished_shiny_lanes_on_37n_and/

You know, for all the bellyaching the folks in Bloomington did over the proposed I-69 through their community, they really did get screwed in the end on this one. They have had to go through a lot more for a lot longer then expected. It almost makes their animosity toward the highway justified, just perhaps not in the way they were expecting.

Getting a freeway up to Indianapolis I still think will make things better for Bloomington, but it's still been a screwed up situation just to get the first half of that part done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DJStephens on October 20, 2018, 06:36:37 PM
A lot of F-bombs in the blog commentary.   Kind of uncalled for imho.   Sounds as if a number of overhead and other signs didn't meet FHWA spec.   Maybe a clearview/fhwa font mishmash problem.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 20, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
The signage stuff was what I was curious about. I was just there a few weeks back, I saw no clearview signage and the main BGS signage looked fine. The blue milemarkers mentioned earlier here were the only signs that looked off. That's why I was wondering if I was missing something.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on October 21, 2018, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

No. Just no.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 21, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on October 21, 2018, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn’t put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

No. Just no.

That stunt with traffic was incomprehensibly stupid and cost Governor Christie any future political career.

I would hope no one would be dumb enough to try that again.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 21, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

Not likely.

FWIW: It was one of Christie's underlings who did the intentional backups at the bridge. He was eventually terminated.

While I am not privy to the reasons why the lanes were closed that day, I am aware that during actual work within the construction zone, rules or insurance requires a ROW be made for certain construction related vehicles so they have adequate room to move to/from the work site.

However, on the flip side, I have seen a subcontractor "not get the word" that the work was complete in the impacted area and they left the barrels or cones up in error. Sometimes overnight and into the following day until typically a trooper will call it in wanting to know where the work is taking place.

Then the cell phones will light up and the sub will haul his butt out to pick up cones.

It is possible that the actual work went past the contracted hours the cones sub is allowed to work, so they left the job site and they just sat out there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 22, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

I'd really doubt that.  No reason to agitate people before an election and you'd get a lot of Republicans/independents in the crossfire.

My read on Bloomington (having lived there) is the type of people who commute on SR37/I-69 every day are the townies or people who might live out of the city and commute to work there.  They look more like your typical Indiana resident and probably vote more like your average Southern/Central Indiana voter.

The professors, students, and people who live in Bloomington because it's a cool college town live closer to IU's campus or on the south/east side of town and aren't going to go out to SR-37/I-69 every day.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 22, 2018, 09:11:39 AM
I haven't seen it myself but my father drove that way over the weekend and he mentions a new mileage sign south of Liberty Church Road with control points of Bloomington, Ellettsville and Evansville. If this is true then it would be the first I-69 based mileage sign I've heard of south of Indy. I'd love to see more signage like this along the rest of I-69 heading toward Evansville.

I know going north there is a mileage sign north of SR 46 with Martinsville and Indianapolis but I think this is just a holdover from SR 37 that was kept there. My dad did mention there may be another mileage sign north of the Walnut St. exit that includes the same two control points plus Sample Road (on the top line I assume.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 22, 2018, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: thefro on October 22, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

I'd really doubt that.  No reason to agitate people before an election and you'd get a lot of Republicans/independents in the crossfire.

My read on Bloomington (having lived there) is the type of people who commute on SR37/I-69 every day are the townies or people who might live out of the city and commute to work there.  They look more like your typical Indiana resident and probably vote more like your average Southern/Central Indiana voter.

The professors, students, and people who live in Bloomington because it's a cool college town live closer to IU's campus or on the south/east side of town and aren't going to go out to SR-37/I-69 every day.

I agree, but most of the users of I-95 and the GWB in Fort Lee, NJ are not local residents. Still didn't stop Chrispy Cream from doing what he did.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 24, 2018, 03:36:32 PM
is it safe to say that they will work on all sections on section 6 up to SR 144 at the same time like section 5 was done?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on October 25, 2018, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: thefro on October 22, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

I'd really doubt that.  No reason to agitate people before an election and you'd get a lot of Republicans/independents in the crossfire.

My read on Bloomington (having lived there) is the type of people who commute on SR37/I-69 every day are the townies or people who might live out of the city and commute to work there.  They look more like your typical Indiana resident and probably vote more like your average Southern/Central Indiana voter.

The professors, students, and people who live in Bloomington because it's a cool college town live closer to IU's campus or on the south/east side of town and aren't going to go out to SR-37/I-69 every day.

I agree. They don't allow bicycles on interstate highways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 25, 2018, 07:03:57 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 24, 2018, 03:36:32 PM
is it safe to say that they will work on all sections on section 6 up to SR 144 at the same time like section 5 was done?

The initial work is going to start near Martinsville.

Beyond that I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 25, 2018, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on October 25, 2018, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: thefro on October 22, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: hoosierguy on October 20, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I wouldn't put it past the state to intentionally screw with liberal Bloomington. Chris Christie did something similar in New Jersey. There is no reason to close 2 of the 3 lanes through Bloomington and cause massive backups.

I'd really doubt that.  No reason to agitate people before an election and you'd get a lot of Republicans/independents in the crossfire.

My read on Bloomington (having lived there) is the type of people who commute on SR37/I-69 every day are the townies or people who might live out of the city and commute to work there.  They look more like your typical Indiana resident and probably vote more like your average Southern/Central Indiana voter.

The professors, students, and people who live in Bloomington because it's a cool college town live closer to IU's campus or on the south/east side of town and aren't going to go out to SR-37/I-69 every day.

I agree. They don't allow bicycles on interstate highways.

they do allow bikes on some interstates, just not in indiana.  mostly out west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on October 27, 2018, 11:43:01 PM
I drove Section 5 today. All of the lanes were open and the paving and lane striping are complete as well. Work remains to be done in the median and shoulder. Orange barrels still line the road and the speed limit is 45 mph.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 29, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 22, 2018, 09:11:39 AM
I haven't seen it myself but my father drove that way over the weekend and he mentions a new mileage sign south of Liberty Church Road with control points of Bloomington, Ellettsville and Evansville. If this is true then it would be the first I-69 based mileage sign I've heard of south of Indy. I'd love to see more signage like this along the rest of I-69 heading toward Evansville.

Here's the new mileage/control city sign about a mile south of I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange. Photos were taken Monday, October 29, 2018.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1921/44711292305_004027a721_k.jpg)
Signage on southbound Interstate 69 about a mile south of the Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County; looking south.

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Slightly different perspective; again looking south.

And here's a couple on northbound I-69 just a little north of Liberty Church Road interchange.

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Northbound I-69 signage, about 1/2 mile north of the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange; looking north. It appears a new, temporary sign will replace the "Freeway Ends" sign. It's also possible the already existing "Freeway Ends" sign will be moved to a higher position on the new posts.

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Different vantage point. In the foreground is the eastern frontage road which connects into the Liberty Church Road interchange.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 30, 2018, 11:40:08 PM
Section 5 is now "Substantially Complete"

According to a Herald-Times article published Tuesday, October 30, INDOT now considers Section 5 to be "substantially complete." In the sense of fair use, here's an excerpt from the article:

QuoteTraffic Tuesday: I-69 Section 5 substantially complete

Nearly two years after the original target date, it appears the Interstate 69 Section 5 project has reached substantial completion.

Substantial completion has become a controversial term in recent months as Bloomington city officials said the state's definition didn't match public perception. Scott Manning, spokesman for the Indiana Department of Transportation, was hesitant to use the term in a phone interview Monday, but emailed responses to questions about the project seemed to indicate the state now views the project as substantially complete.

The definition of substantial completion varies depending on the project, Manning wrote, but "In general, it means the roadway is functional and open to traffic with limited restrictions."

As of this week, all paving on the main traffic lanes along the 21-mile stretch of Section 5 is finished. All entrance and exit ramps are open. All striping and reflective markers have been placed on the main traffic lanes. All access roads have been paved and striped. There will still be some lane restrictions for work such as slope grading, fence installation and the placement of stone, but "the highway is functional and open to traffic with limited restrictions," Manning wrote. ...

Link to article (unfortunately behind a paywall): https://www.hoosiertimes.com/herald_times_online/news/local/traffic-tuesday-i--section-substantially-complete/article_27e959d5-5871-5362-97a0-8eec846917ce.html

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 31, 2018, 01:10:42 AM
Now that Indiana's Interstate 69 Section 5 project has reached its "substantial completion" mark, it's time to turn our attention to Section 6, the last and final construction leg of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project. As many of you know, Section 6 involves the upgrading of Indiana State Road 37 from a point just south of Martinsville, Indiana, north to I-465 in Indianapolis, a distance of 26 miles. Also planned are 18 miles of new, local access, or frontage, roads.

Construction of Section 6 will begin in Martinsville. There are two construction contracts for Segment 1, which covers the Martinsville area. The initial contract, which involves the construction of new local access roads and an overpass, will be let December 12, 2018, with work expected to commence in the spring of 2019. The second, and larger, contract will be let July 10, 2019. This contract comprises the bulk of the I-69 road and interchange work throughout Martinsville and vicinity. Work under this contract will likely get underway in the fall of 2019, and will then encompass two full constructions seasons–2020 and 2021. During the 2021 construction season, SR 37 throughout Martinsville will be completely closed to all traffic, both southbound and northbound.

Maps

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Courtesy INDOT
Final design of the interchanges and overpasses, as well as new local access roads, in Martinsville, Indiana, and vicinity.

A expanded presentation of the final design, from north to south:

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Courtesy INDOT

Of note, the final design features several significant modifications to earlier plans. First, the Ohio Street interchange (middle map) will have Ohio Street go under I-69, whereas before it was to go over. The change was due to potential flooding issues. Remember, a little more than 10 years ago, this area of Martinsville suffered a major flood (a picture of that flood was posted in a earlier post of a few months ago). Another modification is the extension of a road from the SR 39 interchange's eastern traffic roundabout to Burton Lane (last map). Also take note that the SR 39 interchange will be completely rebuilt, and will involve shifting the overpass a little south. And, Sartor Ditch, a waterway that runs near  Ohio Street (middle map), will be rerouted to run under I-69 north of the new Ohio Street interchange. The new course of Sartor Ditch can be seen as a thin blue line just east (right) of the interchange.

Construction of Section 6, Segment 1, will kick off with construction of the Grand Valley Boulevard overpass, which will connect Grand Valley Boulevard (and the nearby Wal-Mart) to South Street in Martinsville proper (middle map). The new, local access road Artesian Avenue, as well as extensions of Grand Valley Boulevard and Cramertown Loop, will be built in the same time frame. Plans are for these initial projects to complete before SR 37 is closed during the 2021 construction season. It should be noted that SR 252/Hospital Drive will always stay open through the construction work zone, even when SR 37 is closed.

A couple of earlier posts have posed questions concerning Section 6 in Martinsville and Morgan County, and I'll try to formulate and post responses in forthcoming posts. I also plan to take some "before" photos in the Martinsville area before construction gets underway. Construction of Section 6 is going to ramp up rapidly. It will be fun to watch it unfold.

Edit: Minor corrections for grammar and readability

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on October 31, 2018, 07:37:40 AM
Just read on an article that Interstate 69 through Bloomington will have a speed limit of... 55!! It should be 65/60 like other major cities (Lafayette and Fort Wayne)  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-i-69-section-5-is-substantially-complete.php
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 31, 2018, 07:46:19 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 31, 2018, 07:37:40 AM
Just read on an article that Interstate 69 through Bloomington will have a speed limit of... 55!! It should be 65/60 like other major cities (Lafayette and Fort Wayne)  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-i-69-section-5-is-substantially-complete.php

don't worry no one will go that speed, just like on 465 everyone knows the real speed limit is actually 70.  :-D

i think they should have widened 465 to 8 lanes from 70 to 65 on the southside as part of this project, instead it will be from mann road to us 31
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 31, 2018, 10:01:11 AM
Considering that there's an exit every mile from 3rd Street down to SR 37 that sort of explains a need for a slower speed limit, still it should be 60 or 65.

As for widening I-465 from I-70 to I-65, it could still happen. Mann Road to US 31 will probably just be the first phase. I-69 and I-465 was supposed to be done on the northeast side years ago and it only now just being planned out.

I am curious about the SR 39 interchange on I-69/SR 37 in Martinsville. When will that be built? SR 39 is supposed to be part of the bypass for traffic around the 37 construction in Martinsville when they close that stretch of highway. So when does the actual interchange get built? I was thinking about those roundabouts at that proposed exit, will they be part of the bypass for traffic to get around the 37 construction in Martinsville?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 31, 2018, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 31, 2018, 10:01:11 AM
Considering that there's an exit every mile from 3rd Street down to SR 37 that sort of explains a need for a slower speed limit, still it should be 60 or 65.

As for widening I-465 from I-70 to I-65, it could still happen. Mann Road to US 31 will probably just be the first phase. I-69 and I-465 was supposed to be done on the northeast side years ago and it only now just being planned out.

I am curious about the SR 39 interchange on I-69/SR 37 in Martinsville. When will that be built? SR 39 is supposed to be part of the bypass for traffic around the 37 construction in Martinsville when they close that stretch of highway. So when does the actual interchange get built? I was thinking about those roundabouts at that proposed exit, will they be part of the bypass for traffic to get around the 37 construction in Martinsville?

I would hope that they rebuild the I-69/SR37  and SR39 interchange last.   Roundabouts are not designed for the traffic volumes SR39 will have while it is a detour for I-69/SR37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 01, 2018, 12:05:40 AM
I assume there will be no plans to update IN-39 through Martinsville to reach IN-67 prior to the IN-37 closure?

I have no problem with closing 37 to accelerate the construction.

I have a problem with shoe horning such a large vehicle volume into what amounts as a 2 lane small town road with a left turn to boot.

The backups on 67 coming south (to turn left on 39) and 37 going north (to turn left onto the same 39) will be significant.

Locals are definitely going to complain about the delays.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 01, 2018, 07:48:52 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2018, 12:05:40 AM
I assume there will be no plans to update IN-39 through Martinsville to reach IN-67 prior to the IN-37 closure?

I have no problem with closing 37 to accelerate the construction.

I have a problem with shoe horning such a large vehicle volume into what amounts as a 2 lane small town road with a left turn to boot.

The backups on 67 coming south (to turn left on 39) and 37 going north (to turn left onto the same 39) will be significant.

Locals are definitely going to complain about the delays.
I already am, as I am on the planned detour path. The least they could do is somehow route the traffic back onto 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 01, 2018, 08:28:29 AM
It will probably be best just to bring back the SR 46/I-65 and SR 46/SR 67 detours again that were used for Section 5. At least it will just be one year....we think.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 01, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 01, 2018, 08:28:29 AM
It will probably be best just to bring back the SR 46/I-65 and SR 46/SR 67 detours again that were used for Section 5. At least it will just be one year....we think.

(https://i.imgur.com/lf0HNcp.jpg)

Actually, ideally, you'd build a road from the Liberty Church Road/I-69 interchange to SR 67 (or at least to Smokey Rd).  Would need a bridge over the White River, but that's under a 3 mile road and would let people cut through.

Going to be heavy traffic on SR 67 until I-69 is completely finished
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on November 02, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 31, 2018, 07:37:40 AM
Just read on an article that Interstate 69 through Bloomington will have a speed limit of... 55!! It should be 65/60 like other major cities (Lafayette and Fort Wayne)  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-i-69-section-5-is-substantially-complete.php

Revenue generation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: inkyatari on November 02, 2018, 02:17:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on November 02, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 31, 2018, 07:37:40 AM
Just read on an article that Interstate 69 through Bloomington will have a speed limit of... 55!! It should be 65/60 like other major cities (Lafayette and Fort Wayne)  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indot-i-69-section-5-is-substantially-complete.php

Revenue generation.

Until a couple years ago, I-80 through Joliet, IL had been 45 for about 25-30 years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 02, 2018, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2018, 12:05:40 AM
I assume there will be no plans to update IN-39 through Martinsville to reach IN-67 prior to the IN-37 closure?

I have no problem with closing 37 to accelerate the construction.

I have a problem with shoe horning such a large vehicle volume into what amounts as a 2 lane small town road with a left turn to boot.

The backups on 67 coming south (to turn left on 39) and 37 going north (to turn left onto the same 39) will be significant.

Locals are definitely going to complain about the delays.

There are plans to update 39 prior to any major construction on 37 and was discussed up thread;
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357433#msg2357433 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357433#msg2357433)

Improvements to 39 will begin in 2020.
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Constr_by_Yr_.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Constr_by_Yr_.pdf)

The improvements are described;
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Local_Improvements.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Local_Improvements.pdf)

SR 39
- Mill and overlay
- Pavement markings
- Intersection upgrades
- Signal improvements
- RR crossing repair
- Wayfinding signs

Will this eliminate congestion? Not a chance, but they aren't ignoring it either.
And also described in the links above, the state will rebuild, after 69 completion, some roads which are likely to be severely stressed by the diversions.
Generally, it looks like Indiana is being very generous to Martinsville, though there is no way for this to be easy short of a new terrain build around town.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 04, 2018, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: andy on November 02, 2018, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 01, 2018, 12:05:40 AM
I assume there will be no plans to update IN-39 through Martinsville to reach IN-67 prior to the IN-37 closure?

I have no problem with closing 37 to accelerate the construction.

I have a problem with shoe horning such a large vehicle volume into what amounts as a 2 lane small town road with a left turn to boot.

The backups on 67 coming south (to turn left on 39) and 37 going north (to turn left onto the same 39) will be significant.

Locals are definitely going to complain about the delays.

There are plans to update 39 prior to any major construction on 37 and was discussed up thread;
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357433#msg2357433 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357433#msg2357433)

Improvements to 39 will begin in 2020.
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Constr_by_Yr_.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Constr_by_Yr_.pdf)

The improvements are described;
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Local_Improvements.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/2018-0914_Local_Improvements.pdf)

SR 39
- Mill and overlay
- Pavement markings
- Intersection upgrades
- Signal improvements
- RR crossing repair
- Wayfinding signs

Will this eliminate congestion? Not a chance, but they aren't ignoring it either.
And also described in the links above, the state will rebuild, after 69 completion, some roads which are likely to be severely stressed by the diversions.
Generally, it looks like Indiana is being very generous to Martinsville, though there is no way for this to be easy short of a new terrain build around town.

If I read this correctly, they are just going to scrape off the surface and put a new layer on.

Place new lane striping and reflectors.

Place new rail guard strips where IN-39 crosses the ISRR.

Retime the light at IN-39 and Morton Ave.

This really isn't an enhancement, its just a divide and conquer.  People can cut over to IN-67 or drag through downtown and take Old-37 to Morgan Street.

Here is what will really happen. 

People will use Ohio/Poston Road/Garfield Street as a downtown bypass. Just sayin.

IN-39 is already 4 lane over the White River.  It a divided 2 lane at Morgan Street. Just finish it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 05, 2018, 01:23:27 AM
Here's three charts that provide details how INDOT currently plans to manage traffic during construction of the Martinsville segment (Section 6, Segment 1). These were part of the I-69 design update presentation at the Martinsville Reevaluation Meeting, which took place September 17, 2018 in Martinsville (link below). To examine the charts more closely, Right Click, etc.

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Charts courtesy INDOT

The official SR 39/SR 67/SR 144 detour is certainly workable and looks good penciled on a map. In reality, however, it's a significant detour and may add upwards of 30 minutes of travel time, depending on traffic, for those who regularly use I-69/SR 37 corridor between Indianapolis and points south. For many residents of Bloomington and South-Central Indiana, the detour will be familiar as many take a similar route when they travel to/from Indianapolis International Airport. Since the new terminal was built, this route–SR 37 --> SR 39 --> SR 67 --> Ameriplex Pkwy --> I-70 ramp --> Weir Cook Memorial Drive (the terminal access road)–also has been the preferred way of the Bloomington airport shuttles.

The residents of Martinsville and Morgan County who are not going to the airport via SR 67, but are heading to points north, will largely be able to avoid the detour by utilizing Morgan Street in Martinsville to reach SR 37 north of the construction zone. Residents east of SR 37–i.e. in Morgantown, etc.–also will be able to access Morgan Street by crossing SR 37 via SR 252/Hospital Drive, which will always stay open even when SR 37 is completely closed. These folks will have other options as well, such as SR 135, to make their way to points north and south. However, for those who live south of Morgan County and who regularly commute north to Greenwood or Indianapolis, they are going to be in world of hurt. The official detour will add upwards of an hour of drive time for a trip to Indy and back. Before long, these commuters will discover the Morgan Street shortcut to SR 37, and swinging off SR 39 into Martinsville proper will become commonplace. That maneuver may chew up a good amount of time, but for some it might be more palatable than taking SR 67 to I-465, or utilizing the SR 67 and SR 144 detour route.

At this time, the focus of the official detour probably is to keep the big rig trucks out of the Martinsville core. If that can be accomplished, traffic on Morgan Street, which may become heavy and congested at times, will be more manageable. There is little doubt traffic management in Martinsville is going to be a major challenge for INDOT, particularly when SR 37 is closed. Bear in mind that during the closure, drivers from Martinsville and parts of western Morgan County that wish to head south on SR 37 and I-69 will find it necessary to use SR 39 to reach SR 37. This means detour traffic on SR 39 will have to stopped periodically at lights to provide access opportunities. That will almost certainly cause backups. The potential for congestion will become increasing evident during the 2020 construction season, as heavy work commences on the interchanges, and when single lane closures on SR 37 are almost certain. Significant northbound congestion is likely then and many motorists will begin to look for alternatives, with the SR 39/SR 67 detour being among the first to be considered. To be sure, and to speak frankly, it's going to be a mess, and for a considerable period, but viable options to ease congestion are few. To its credit, INDOT appears appears to be working diligently to address potential traffic issues during the staging of a very complex and challenging construction build. Aside from building new bypass roads, which is unfeasible, there is only so much that can be done.

*Note: After I wrote the above I remembered that years earlier an airport shuttle on which I was a passenger exited the airport by way of S. Perimeter Rd. to S. High School Road to SR 67. Whether this route is still in use I do not know. At any rate, the airport shuttles from Bloomington utilize SR 39 and SR 67 to reach the airport, not SR 37.

Link to Martinsville Reevaluation Meeting: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2336.htm

Edit: Added note; added material; minor grammar

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on November 05, 2018, 12:17:34 PM
I don't think building Sections 5 and 6 will be worth it given the enormous traffic headaches and fatalities they have caused.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 05, 2018, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on November 05, 2018, 12:17:34 PM
I don't think building Sections 5 and 6 will be worth it given the enormous traffic headaches and fatalities they have caused.

The same could be said for any large scale road project. Although just one death is one too many, this project eliminated countless at-grade intersections, including the Tapp Road intersection, the site of numerous fatalities in years past.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 05, 2018, 02:42:07 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on November 05, 2018, 12:17:34 PM
I don't think building Sections 5 and 6 will be worth it given the enormous traffic headaches and fatalities they have caused.

disagree, this interstate is sorely needed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 06, 2018, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 05, 2018, 02:42:07 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on November 05, 2018, 12:17:34 PM
I don’t think building Sections 5 and 6 will be worth it given the enormous traffic headaches and fatalities they have caused.

disagree, this interstate is sorely needed.
Concur: Inconvenienced now, thankful later.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on November 06, 2018, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 06, 2018, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 05, 2018, 02:42:07 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on November 05, 2018, 12:17:34 PM
I don't think building Sections 5 and 6 will be worth it given the enormous traffic headaches and fatalities they have caused.

disagree, this interstate is sorely needed.
Concur: Inconvenienced now, thankful later.

Agreed.

I was just a bit taken aback in that this couldn't have been done 'under traffic' like how most other such upgrades are normally done.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on November 06, 2018, 10:14:37 AM
"Enormous traffic headaches" and "fatalities" require citations. It's otherwise speculation.

Furthermore, "traffic headaches" is hyperbole. What does one expect with construction? That there is no inconvenience to motorists? If it pained someone during their commute on that particular road, take an alternate route, or reconsider the decision-making process on the rationale to move so far out of town. And "fatalities?" How many were caused by inattentive drivers in work zones? Or poor decision making on behalf of the driver? The improved road will ultimately lead to less accidents and fatalities on that facility.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 06, 2018, 10:39:10 AM
The only problem with the project is the poor decision in company choice to build it.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on November 06, 2018, 10:56:50 AM
Quote from: seicer on November 06, 2018, 10:14:37 AM
"Enormous traffic headaches" and "fatalities" require citations. It's otherwise speculation.

Furthermore, "traffic headaches" is hyperbole. What does one expect with construction? That there is no inconvenience to motorists? If it pained someone during their commute on that particular road, take an alternate route, or reconsider the decision-making process on the rationale to move so far out of town. And "fatalities?" How many were caused by inattentive drivers in work zones? Or poor decision making on behalf of the driver? The improved road will ultimately lead to less accidents and fatalities on that facility.

With GPS everywhere, anyone with half a brain who commutes through Mville regularly will be able to find a low-traffic alternative. There are plenty of back roads that will keep regulars from clogged, official routes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 06, 2018, 02:45:51 PM
https://www.hoosiertimes.com/herald_times_online/news/local/traffic-tuesday-speed-limit-on-i--section-increased/article_055f4abd-881e-55e9-b400-1ea935d34f47.html

Speed limit signs being uncovered today on Section 5

QuoteAt about noon Monday, the posted speed limit for motorists heading northbound was still 45 mph from where Section 5 begins at the Rockport Road overpass through much of the Bloomington area. Near Oliver Winery there were three speed limit signs; one showing 55 mph when lights are flashing for construction workers, another showing 70 mph for general traffic and another showing 65 mph for trucks.

Crews started uncovering the new speed limit signs at the northern end of the project Monday, said department of transportation spokesman Scott Manning. They started working their way south and whatever they didn't get to Monday would be uncovered today, he said.

When finished, the speed limit on I-69 between Rockport Road and Kinser Pike will be 55 mph. It will be 70 mph between Kinser Pike and the Indian Creek Bridge in Morgan County for most vehicles.

Orange construction barrels had been moved back to the shoulders through most of Section 5 Monday, but there was an area just south of the Liberty Church Road interchange where northbound traffic was reduced to a single lane. This is one of several temporary closures motorists can expect as crews finish work outside the main travel lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 09, 2018, 08:58:01 AM
https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/is-i-69-section-5-really-complete

Quote from: WYFIThe Indiana Department of Transportation says I-69 section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville is "substantially complete."  But as of Wednesday, the stretch of Interstate still has several lane restrictions and requires drivers to follow work zone speed limits.

INDOT Strategic Communications Director Scott Manning says parts of the lane restrictions should be lifted Thursday.

"We define substantial completion as the key elements of a roadway being complete and open to traffic with minimal disruptions  to traffic, minimal lane restrictions," Manning says.

Temporary lane restrictions will likely continue over the next several weeks.

Manning says work on the interstate now consists of cleanup work and final touches.

"There will be times when all lanes will be open throughout the corridor, and that will generally be the case the majority of the time now that we're at substantial completion," Manning says.

Permanent speed limit signs are in place and uncovered, but Manning says flashing work zone speed limit signs will indicate when drivers need to slow down.

There's also a time-lapse/sped up video of them driving from Bloomington to Martinsville and back at the link
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on November 09, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
I drove the Interstate this week. Both directions from Martinsville to Bloomington & back, the mainlanes of the Interstate are completed. The lane closures look to be shoulder work or landscaping, sign work and other construction to the side of the highway. There are even several mileage signs up in both directions. Southbound Washington & Evansville are mentioned (I even saw one in section 4 before I turned around), and northbound Indianapolis is listed. Most of the closures are north of SR 46. The signage for Exit 114 (I-69/SR 37 split) needs updating headed northbound. The lanes are striped correctly, however the BGS and little green signs are from the pre-interstate state.
IMO, the freeway should be completely open by Thanksgiving. Most of the work left looks as if construction could be completed during off-peak hours.
By the way, section 4 is down to one lane between miles 111-112. Work on the hillside. Looks like INDOT is trying to 'shore it up'.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 09, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Speaking of the mileage signs along I-69. The signs along Section 5 from Martisnville through Bloomington are slightly bigger than normal interstate mileage signs, similar to the signs you'd find in Kentucky or Ohio or Illinois. Mileage signs along this stretch of SR 37 before interstate conversion were this size as well, compared to say US 31 north of Indy which has the normal small mileage signs you'd find on other Indiana state highways.

However, the aforementioned sign at the beginning of Section 4 just south of Exit 114 seems to be a more typical interstate mileage sign in size. Also interesting, the first control point before Washington and Evansville is JCT SR 45/SR 445. This is technically not true since the interchange is only with SR 445, you can use it to reach SR 45 but that intersection is two miles away from the exit. I do hope we'll start seeing more of this signage along the rest of I-69 down to Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 10, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 09, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Speaking of the mileage signs along I-69. The signs along Section 5 from Martisnville through Bloomington are slightly bigger than normal interstate mileage signs, similar to the signs you'd find in Kentucky or Ohio or Illinois. Mileage signs along this stretch of SR 37 before interstate conversion were this size as well, compared to say US 31 north of Indy which has the normal small mileage signs you'd find on other Indiana state highways.

However, the aforementioned sign at the beginning of Section 4 just south of Exit 114 seems to be a more typical interstate mileage sign in size. Also interesting, the first control point before Washington and Evansville is JCT SR 45/SR 445. This is technically not true since the interchange is only with SR 445, you can use it to reach SR 45 but that intersection is two miles away from the exit. I do hope we'll start seeing more of this signage along the rest of I-69 down to Evansville.

maybe not for long INDOT wants to get rid of 45
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on November 12, 2018, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: seicer on November 06, 2018, 10:14:37 AM
"Enormous traffic headaches" and "fatalities" require citations. It's otherwise speculation.

Furthermore, "traffic headaches" is hyperbole. What does one expect with construction? That there is no inconvenience to motorists? If it pained someone during their commute on that particular road, take an alternate route, or reconsider the decision-making process on the rationale to move so far out of town. And "fatalities?" How many were caused by inattentive drivers in work zones? Or poor decision making on behalf of the driver? The improved road will ultimately lead to less accidents and fatalities on that facility.

It isn't speculation. Spend a couple of minutes doing research.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/19/car-accidents-have-increased-during-69-construction-delays/389156001/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on November 12, 2018, 01:09:36 PM
(Eye roll time)

"Traffic deaths also increased along the 21-mile stretch of highway, but Indiana Department of Transportation officials say none of the six deaths since construction began were directly related to the work."

I mean, one of the accidents they cited was a driver who had fallen asleep at the wheel.

"As both INDOT and Indiana State Police pointed out, any time there is construction, accidents typically increase."

Duh.

Do better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on November 12, 2018, 03:18:12 PM
Of course the state will claim they are not responsible for traffic accidents. It is in their interest to avoid culpability. The driver who fell asleep and hit a semi would have ended up in the grassy median if the lanes hadn't been shifted.

"The longer you have this project going on, the more likely people are to get injured or even killed,"  said state Rep. Matt Pierce, D-Bloomington. "That's pretty serious stuff, let alone the other issues of people being frustrated about being stuck in traffic, or people not wanting to come to Bloomington."

And the piss poor management of the project is hurting towns like Washington that haven't seen any economic development from the interstate years after it was completed.

Duh. Do better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: civeng on November 13, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
Large number of citizens request project -> Government builds it -> Minority complains loudly about project -> Repeat
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 13, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on November 12, 2018, 03:18:12 PM
And the piss poor management of the project is hurting towns like Washington that haven't seen any economic development from the interstate years after it was completed.

Washington is probably going to benefit more from traffic coming north from Evansville, not south from Indy. To me it's a stretch to blame any lack of growth there on the construction to the north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 13, 2018, 07:01:09 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 13, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on November 12, 2018, 03:18:12 PM
And the piss poor management of the project is hurting towns like Washington that haven't seen any economic development from the interstate years after it was completed.

Washington is probably going to benefit more from traffic coming north from Evansville, not south from Indy. To me it's a stretch to blame any lack of growth there on the construction to the north.

US 50 Bypass has been done for years and it hasn't brought much business/industry to Washington. I-69 is even farther south and east of that bypass. I foresee a splattering of truck stops, fast food entities and various road side establishments until more of the route is completed nationally.

Then it will start appearing in logistics planners as a possible destination.

If US50 gets more attention in the Cincy-StL route then perhaps something will happen, but we are talking 25-30 years in the future.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on November 16, 2018, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 13, 2018, 07:01:09 PMIf US50 gets more attention in the Cincy-StL route then perhaps something will happen, but we are talking 25-30 years in the future.

That seems pretty doubtful since the Indiana hasn't shown much interest in making US 50 4 lanes across the entire state.  Getting the North Vernon bypass finally built (which is only 2 lanes) only happened because of a backroom deal to get Daylight Savings time passed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 16, 2018, 01:08:39 PM
I read part of the History of the Interstate System in Indiana, which is a really good read, and part of the "deal" that was made to move I-64 from the US 50/150 corridor to where it is now was Indiana agreed to upgrade 50 across the entire state as a four lane road. Obviously that never happened and probably won't anytime soon. I think Illinois was as well, and again.. obviously didn't.  INDOT had it on their list up until around 2008 or 2010, I think, to do the section between Washington and Bedford, then removed it.

INDOT even still has right of way to construct it through part of Martin County. It's my understanding it was purchased in the 1970's.

Link to the Martin County GIS screenshot showing the route: https://screenshots.firefox.com/zGfIwV7Jo0VasQgk/martinin.elevatemaps.io

I know this has strayed off topic. My apologies.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on November 16, 2018, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 16, 2018, 01:08:39 PM
I read part of the History of the Interstate System in Indiana, which is a really good read, and part of the "deal" that was made to move I-64 from the US 50/150 corridor to where it is now was Indiana agreed to upgrade 50 across the entire state as a four lane road. Obviously that never happened and probably won't anytime soon. I think Illinois was as well, and again.. obviously didn't.  INDOT had it on their list up until around 2008 or 2010, I think, to do the section between Washington and Bedford, then removed it.
If they ever wanted to revisit that plan and perhaps modify it to lessen some cost, they could just piggyback US 50 onto I-69, run it to IN-54, make an exit there and run the road down and perhaps around the north side of Bedford.  That would seem to be cheaper than making the current route 4 lanes around Loogootee, Shoals (have to miss the jug rox), and through the Hoosier National Forest.  That would be probably about 15-20 miles of new terrain route compared to 40 miles with some twinning on the current route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on November 16, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
I think it's kind of funny how Exit 50 on I-65 in Indiana is the exit for US-50.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on November 17, 2018, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: thefro on November 16, 2018, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 13, 2018, 07:01:09 PMIf US50 gets more attention in the Cincy-StL route then perhaps something will happen, but we are talking 25-30 years in the future.

That seems pretty doubtful since the Indiana hasn't shown much interest in making US 50 4 lanes across the entire state.  Getting the North Vernon bypass finally built (which is only 2 lanes) only happened because of a backroom deal to get Daylight Savings time passed.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Indianapolis on I-70 and 74 is 350 miles.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Louisville on I-64 and I-71 is 359 miles.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati using US 50 is 347 miles.

There's a reason that this idea has not gained much traction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on November 17, 2018, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: US 41 on November 17, 2018, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: thefro on November 16, 2018, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 13, 2018, 07:01:09 PMIf US50 gets more attention in the Cincy-StL route then perhaps something will happen, but we are talking 25-30 years in the future.

That seems pretty doubtful since the Indiana hasn't shown much interest in making US 50 4 lanes across the entire state.  Getting the North Vernon bypass finally built (which is only 2 lanes) only happened because of a backroom deal to get Daylight Savings time passed.
It wouldn't be any sort of time saver for traffic from St. Louis, but for southern Indiana traffic from Vincennes, Washington, Bedford, and Seymour it would be.  Of course it is not a major deal for INDOT to create a way for Indiana traffic to travel to Ohio, but it would be a good corridor for business across Southern Indiana like the Lafayette-Fort Wayne and Indianapolis to Bedford corridors.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Indianapolis on I-70 and 74 is 350 miles.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Louisville on I-64 and I-71 is 359 miles.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati using US 50 is 347 miles.

There's a reason that this idea has not gained much traction.
The difference wouldn't mean anything to those living near St. Louis, but could make a difference to those in Vincennes, Washington, Bedford, and Seymour.    That would also be a useful Southern Indiana corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 17, 2018, 07:14:39 PM
just drove it for the first time today.  none of the SR 37 signs had the north plate on them yet.  All of them used the same ugly incorrect font.  No mention of 45 where it's cosigned with 69 and 37.  for some reason if you are at the split going southbound one of the bgs mentions 37 on the wrong sign. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 17, 2018, 08:36:20 PM
That 37 shield was added to the sign during the Section 5 construction for some reason. I'm still trying to wrap my head as to why. Maybe it made sense back then, but I don't think it did since.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 18, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 17, 2018, 10:33:32 AM
The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Indianapolis on I-70 and 74 is 350 miles.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Louisville on I-64 and I-71 is 359 miles.

I would never have guessed the Indy route was shorter. To me, it seems like you're going too far north to head back south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on November 19, 2018, 03:48:45 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 18, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 17, 2018, 10:33:32 AM
The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Indianapolis on I-70 and 74 is 350 miles.

The distance from St Louis to Cincinnati via Louisville on I-64 and I-71 is 359 miles.

I would never have guessed the Indy route was shorter. To me, it seems like you're going too far north to head back south.

The southward multiplex with I-57 in IL plus the relatively sharp angle (pretty close to 45 degrees) of I-71 vis-a-vis a straight E-W line -- plus the N-S multiplex with I-75 -- likely accounts for the southern corridor showing greater actual mileage.  Both I-70 and I-74 approach Indianapolis at a shallow angle, so the additional mileage of that particular composite corridor is minimized. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 19, 2018, 12:20:06 PM
In the Illinois thread there is a small discussion on the Ilinois US50 Coalition to 4 lane it from O'Fallon to Vincennes.

But there are only 2 active EA's. The Vincennes side of US50 is looking to 4 lane all the way west to Olney for a Walmart Distribution Center at IL-130.

And yes US50 in Illinois has had the same broken promises as Indiana since 1977 when Illinois started cancelling contracts and any future work.

As for US50 mileage from Cincy to StL, most of that is mileage on a 1928 based ROW, which is very indirect and circuitous and does not enjoy the more direct routing most interstates enjoy.

Just between Seymour and Washington, you can see huge economies of distance possible.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on November 19, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
Has anyone else here driven that section of US 50 in Illinois where the grading is done for a four-lane route, and there are actually bridges along that segment, but only two lanes are being used?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 19, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
Has anyone else here driven that section of US 50 in Illinois where the grading is done for a four-lane route, and there are actually bridges along that segment, but only two lanes are being used?

Yes, I've driven it a handful of times. Interesting to see the bridges just sitting there, with no pavement leading up to them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on November 19, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 16, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
I think it's kind of funny how Exit 50 on I-65 in Indiana is the exit for US-50.
There's two more of those (where exit number matches the intersecting highway's number) up in Indy, both along I-465: Exit 31 is for US 31 North (at Meridian St) and Exit 37 for Indiana 37 & "Classic" I-69 North (at the northern terminus of Binford Blvd). Wasn't planned that way, just sorta happened due to the various alignments chosen for the multiple segments that made up I-465 when it was being built in the 1960s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 19, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
Has anyone else here driven that section of US 50 in Illinois where the grading is done for a four-lane route, and there are actually bridges along that segment, but only two lanes are being used?
I have...

Kinda looks like a "we got started...and we just walked away" project...decades ago
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on November 19, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 19, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
Has anyone else here driven that section of US 50 in Illinois where the grading is done for a four-lane route, and there are actually bridges along that segment, but only two lanes are being used?
I have...

Kinda looks like a "we got started...and we just walked away" project...decades ago

Like the Goat Path in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on November 19, 2018, 06:16:59 PM
Quote from: qguy on November 19, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 19, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
Has anyone else here driven that section of US 50 in Illinois where the grading is done for a four-lane route, and there are actually bridges along that segment, but only two lanes are being used?
I have...

Kinda looks like a "we got started...and we just walked away" project...decades ago

Like the Goat Path in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

Prior to the southern realignment of that route in the early '60's, the original path of I-64 was slated to utilize US 50 from East St. Louis into Indiana, then veer SE along US 150 to reach Louisville, KY.  Whether the now-abandoned bridges were meant to be part of that project or simply an in-state improvement to US 50 has been the subject of conjecture; IIRC there was a thread about it here that was active a few years back. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 19, 2018, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: sparker on November 19, 2018, 06:16:59 PM
Quote from: qguy on November 19, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 19, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
Has anyone else here driven that section of US 50 in Illinois where the grading is done for a four-lane route, and there are actually bridges along that segment, but only two lanes are being used?
I have...

Kinda looks like a "we got started...and we just walked away" project...decades ago

Like the Goat Path in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

Prior to the southern realignment of that route in the early '60's, the original path of I-64 was slated to utilize US 50 from East St. Louis into Indiana, then veer SE along US 150 to reach Louisville, KY.  Whether the now-abandoned bridges were meant to be part of that project or simply an in-state improvement to US 50 has been the subject of conjecture; IIRC there was a thread about it here that was active a few years back.

The original I-64 was going to follow the old Buffalo Trace (US-150) to Louisville.

But as Wikipedia notes:

QuoteI-64 had a proposed routing around the US 50 corridor in Illinois when the interstates were first planned. Local pressure pushed the routing closer to the US 460 corridor because of the cheaper cost and shorter mileage compared to the original routing, but not before construction was started on a short section that is now US-50 between Vincennes, Indiana and Lawrenceville, Illinois. It is also worth noting that the apparent route of I-64 would have taken it through the southern end of Carlyle Lake which was also under construction at this time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on November 24, 2018, 01:50:26 PM
Drove the I-69 corridor from Evansville to Indianapolis and back last night.  The drive is getting better every year.  My own observations:
1.  I'm looking for the options to continue driving on part of 37 when Martinsville's section is closed.  There should be a way to go
     around to drive on the rest of it for awhile.
2.  Even though the consortium did not finish their work, I'm glad that they contributed to the six lanes of I-69 going around
     Bloomington.  It shouldn't have been any other way.
3.  Time to put the mileage signs up south of Bloomington.  We already know how far it will be to Indianapolis, and Evansville
     isn't planning on moving anytime soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on November 25, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
Anyone know when the directional signs on the southern end will have Indianapolis or Bloomington listed as a control city for I-69 north. Drove through Evansville on Thanksgiving and noticed the signs are still blank.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on November 25, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: truejd on November 25, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
Anyone know when the directional signs on the southern end will have Indianapolis or Bloomington listed as a control city for I-69 north. Drove through Evansville on Thanksgiving and noticed the signs are still blank.

I'd imagine the control will be Indianapolis and they will remain blank until it's finished all the way to I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 26, 2018, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: csw on November 25, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: truejd on November 25, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
Anyone know when the directional signs on the southern end will have Indianapolis or Bloomington listed as a control city for I-69 north. Drove through Evansville on Thanksgiving and noticed the signs are still blank.

I'd imagine the control will be Indianapolis and they will remain blank until it's finished all the way to I-465.
It'll probably be Bloomington on Section 1-4, and Indianapolis on Section 5.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 26, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
I remember looking at signage plans for Section 1 several years ago when they were about ready to build it. There was one I-69 BGS over one of the highways that had the word Indianapolis written in a ghost-kind of writing on the sign where the control city would go, indicating that it would be added later on. The signs should all be designed at a width where Indianapolis can simply be added on when they feel like doing it.

Section 5 has no problem with signs indicating Indianapolis and Evansville are control cities. Of course I can see INDOT justifying having signage with Indianapolis off along Section 5 since SR 37 does go there whereas I-69 does not. Evansville of course is mentioned due to I-69 going that way.

Of course I don't see why we can't put Indy on all the signs from Evansville up to Bloomington now. Honestly I'm just happy to see mileage signs along that stretch of I-69, maybe it's a sign of things to come.

On another matter. I don't get to Evansville all but once or twice a year but I was kind of curious from those who live or travel around there. Is there any need to widen I-69 around that city, I'm just wondering. Maybe the traffic counts too low but if we're going to have I-69 in Bloomington be six lanes, why not Evansville?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: civeng on November 26, 2018, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 26, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
On another matter. I don't get to Evansville all but once or twice a year but I was kind of curious from those who live or travel around there. Is there any need to widen I-69 around that city, I'm just wondering. Maybe the traffic counts too low but if we're going to have I-69 in Bloomington be six lanes, why not Evansville?

During rush hour I sometimes wish there was an extra lane south of I-64.  Otherwise, it's usually okay.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 27, 2018, 12:18:07 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on November 24, 2018, 01:50:26 PM
Drove the I-69 corridor from Evansville to Indianapolis and back last night.  The drive is getting better every year.  My own observations:
1.  I'm looking for the options to continue driving on part of 37 when Martinsville's section is closed.  There should be a way to go
     around to drive on the rest of it for awhile.
2.  Even though the consortium did not finish their work, I'm glad that they contributed to the six lanes of I-69 going around
     Bloomington.  It shouldn't have been any other way.
3.  Time to put the mileage signs up south of Bloomington.  We already know how far it will be to Indianapolis, and Evansville
     isn't planning on moving anytime soon.
I just drove it Southbound today, coming back to Southern IL after Thanksgiving north of Indy (wanted to drive a different route back...took I-57 to I-70 on the Northbound trip...and now I have clinched all of current I-69 in Indiana)

I don't drive it enough for 1. to be an issues for me.

2. We will never know how the project and timeline would have played, had it been built, totally, as a "traditional"  INDOT build. That said, all the lights gone south of Martinsville into Bloomington is nice.

3. A Southbound mileage sign in Bloomington still has the 37 mileage, with mileage to Bedford and Mitchell, and there is also a new mileage sign in Bloomington, that has Mileage to (I think) IN 445, Washington, and Evansville. But south of Bloomington, I did not see any. That said, since it is Southbound on an Interstate, and Evansville is a State Line City...your Mileage Markers are your mileage gude to Evansville

There is an oddball, mislabeled BGS approaching the Trumpet Split of 69/37 south of Bloomington...with the Evansville controlled sign having both 69 and 37 South Shields, and the Bedford controlled sign having only a 37 South Shield...that could be a bit confusing. Hopefully the erroneous 37 Shield gets removed

I also think "To I-69 South"  or "Future I-69 South"  should be signed in Indy at this point, both at the NE corner end of original I-69 and also approaching the IN 37 Exit off I-465 on the SW corner - or go the IDOT route, and sign, at both the NE Corner I-69 end and approaching IN 37 Exit off I-465 "Evansville - Follow IN 37 South"  (a la IDOT's solution for I-24 never making it to control St Louis)

"To I-69 South"  should also be signed at the current Indiana Southern Terminus of I-69, at US 41 in Evansville. The only signage there is "I-69 Ends"  - not wrong, but its OK to mention it resumes south of Henderson, KY
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on November 28, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 26, 2018, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: csw on November 25, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: truejd on November 25, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
Anyone know when the directional signs on the southern end will have Indianapolis or Bloomington listed as a control city for I-69 north. Drove through Evansville on Thanksgiving and noticed the signs are still blank.

I'd imagine the control will be Indianapolis and they will remain blank until it's finished all the way to I-465.
It'll probably be Bloomington on Section 1-4, and Indianapolis on Section 5.

I doubt it, if history and precedence is any indication.  Indiana identifies "Indianapolis" as its control city on all of its interstates that run through it (Indianapolis); the only exception is I-64, which uses St. Louis and Louisville as its control cities.  For example, along I-65, the control cities (from north to south) are Chicago, Indianapolis, and Louisville.  Along I-70, the control cities (from west to east) are St. Louis, Indianapolis, and Dayton.  For the northeastern part of I-69, the control cities are Indianapolis and Fort Wayne.  Once the southwestern section of I-69 is complete (or having most of Section 6 either complete or substantially so), I think that it will be a high probability that INDOT will use Evansville and Indianapolis as the control cities, without using Bloomington as a intermediate control city.  Until then, I fully expect that INDOT will keep the control city information blank on all NB I-69 signs, as they currently are.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: EngineerTM on November 28, 2018, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: civeng on November 26, 2018, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 26, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
On another matter. I don't get to Evansville all but once or twice a year but I was kind of curious from those who live or travel around there. Is there any need to widen I-69 around that city, I'm just wondering. Maybe the traffic counts too low but if we're going to have I-69 in Bloomington be six lanes, why not Evansville?

During rush hour I sometimes wish there was an extra lane south of I-64.  Otherwise, it's usually okay.

I would agree with that assessment; generally, the two lanes NB and SB on I-69 in and around Evansville seems to provide sufficient capacity for now.  This could (and may) change once the I-69/ORX bridge project is completed and fully links I-69 between Evansville and the Kentucky sections.

If Evansville could get its wishes granted, I suspect that having added travel lanes on US 41 from around the airport and southward towards Henderson (along with getting rid of some of those traffic signals), and having some grade-separation interchanges built along the East Lloyd expressway (IN 66) would be more important to Evansville area drivers.  About a decade or so ago, INDOT did have a project under planning that would have added travel lanes on US 41 from around the airport and southward, along with adding storage capacity for left and right turn lanes, that would have greatly improved traffic capacity.  Unfortunately, the great recession hit and former Governor Daniels pulled the plug on a bunch of projects, including that one.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on November 28, 2018, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on November 28, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 26, 2018, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: csw on November 25, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: truejd on November 25, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
Anyone know when the directional signs on the southern end will have Indianapolis or Bloomington listed as a control city for I-69 north. Drove through Evansville on Thanksgiving and noticed the signs are still blank.

I'd imagine the control will be Indianapolis and they will remain blank until it's finished all the way to I-465.
It'll probably be Bloomington on Section 1-4, and Indianapolis on Section 5.

I doubt it, if history and precedence is any indication.  Indiana identifies "Indianapolis" as its control city on all of its interstates that run through it (Indianapolis); the only exception is I-64, which uses St. Louis and Louisville as its control cities.  For example, along I-65, the control cities (from north to south) are Chicago, Indianapolis, and Louisville.  Along I-70, the control cities (from west to east) are St. Louis, Indianapolis, and Dayton.  For the northeastern part of I-69, the control cities are Indianapolis and Fort Wayne.  Once the southwestern section of I-69 is complete (or having most of Section 6 either complete or substantially so), I think that it will be a high probability that INDOT will use Evansville and Indianapolis as the control cities, without using Bloomington as a intermediate control city.  Until then, I fully expect that INDOT will keep the control city information blank on all NB I-69 signs, as they currently are.
I agree 100% with everything said here. Bloomington won't be on the signs for the same reasons Lafayette or Columbus aren't on signs on I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 28, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
Considering that the control cities at the Sample Road interchange, well within Monroe County are only Indianapolis and Evansville we probably already have the answer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on November 29, 2018, 12:33:42 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 28, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
Considering that the control cities at the Sample Road interchange, well within Monroe County are only Indianapolis and Evansville we probably already have the answer.

Yes, and also Evansville is used as the control between Martinsville and Bloomington, instead of Bloomington. If Bloomington was going to be a control instead of Indianapolis, it would certainly be used instead of Evansville as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 29, 2018, 02:36:33 AM
It's been talked about before but now it's here. Section 6 will formally commence when the first contract is let on December 12, 2018, just two weeks away. To rehash, under that contract, which will be the smaller of the two for Segment 1 of Section 6 (aka the Martinsville segment), an overpass and new and extended local access, or frontage, roads are to be built. Construction is expected to commence in the spring of 2019. In June of 2019, the second of the two Martinsville contracts–the "big" one–will be let, with heavy construction getting underway by either late fall in 2019 or early spring 2020.

Apart from Segment 5, which will encompass the new I-495/I-69 interchange, Segment 1 may be the most complex and challenging component of Section 6 to be constructed. Upgrading State Road 37 through Martinsville will involve significantly building up the mainline roadway in stretches and lowering it in another. SR 37 will remain open to traffic during the 2020 construction season, but will be closed completely, as is now commonly known, during the 2021 construction season, for a period of about eight to 10 months.

While the impending closure of SR 37 in 2021 is bound to make some people anxious, including probably a good number of INDOT officials, for it can only be surmised how the traffic situation will play out, INDOT has be charged with getting this project completed, in timely fashion, segment after segment, and that they intend to do. INDOT was embarrassed when the private-public partnership building Section 5 floundered and then failed, causing a delay of two years to the completion of Section 5. Because of that experience it's almost a guarantee INDOT will strenuously endeavor to bring off the construction of Section 6 in a systematic, high-performance manner of which it can, and all Hoosiers, be proud. Nothing less will be acceptable, particularly to INDOT. Yes, there is bound to traffic congestion at times, sometimes significant, adding several minutes if not more to commutes and other trips. How can there not be? By any standard, upgrading approximately 23 miles of SR 37 to interstate standards is major project, made all the more difficult due to the necessity of construction happening concurrently, for the most part, in and among free flowing traffic. It may look pretty when viewed on conceptual diagrams, but, in reality, the upgrade will be a time consuming, challenging build that often will involve complex and difficult engineering aspects that few understand and appreciate.

Earlier, there was some hand wringing whether building I-69 has been worth the trouble and cost. As one who has lived in South-Central Indiana for many years, I am deeply appreciative the State of Indiana has invested in building the Evansville to Indianapolis leg of I-69, and am thrilled the project is now approaching its culmination. It's been a long time coming. Interstate 69 is now the most important road in the south-central/south-western sector of Indiana; it is a tremendous infrastructure asset, providing for the safe and efficient movement of people and goods, which, more than likely, will prove its worth time and again with each passing decade. To be sure, there's still about six years of construction to go. But considering how long it has taken for the project to evolve from dream to reality, six years isn't all that long.

Of note, it appears the construction of I-69 in Indiana may have created a spark in other cities and states to upgrade highways to interstate standards, furthering the connection of mid-sized and large metropolitan areas to other metropolitan hubs. In Texas, for example, it's hard to envision US 290 not being upgraded to an interstate between Houston and Austin. Out west in Idaho, if the Boise region continues its rapid growth, there's bound to be a push for an interstate south from Boise to I-80. And, at some point, an interstate probably will be built connecting Reno to Las Vegas. In the Midwest, having an interstate connection between Chicago and Columbus, Ohio, linking in Fort Wayne, might, at some point, be deemed worthy. And that's just to point out a few possibilities, among many. The population of the United States continues to steadily grow. And, or course, more people generally equates to more cars, which dictates that more roads and more lanes miles be built. The Interstate Highway building era of the 1950s/60s and 70s may have long passed, but the upgrading of roads and highways to Interstate standard may only gain momentum in the years ahead.

Edit: typo correction/minor changes for readability

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on November 29, 2018, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: EngineerTM on November 28, 2018, 04:16:35 PM...  For the northeastern part of I-69, the control cities are Indianapolis and Fort Wayne.
Along original (or "classic") I-69 in Indiana, the control cities are indeed Indianapolis and Fort Wayne, but only between those two cities. North of the Summit City to the MI state line, the control cities are Fort Wayne and Lansing.

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 27, 2018, 12:18:07 AM... I also think "To I-69 South"  or "Future I-69 South"  should be signed in Indy at this point, both at the NE corner end of original I-69 and also approaching the IN 37 Exit off I-465 on the SW corner - or go the IDOT route, and sign, at both the NE Corner I-69 end and approaching IN 37 Exit off I-465 "Evansville - Follow IN 37 South"  (a la IDOT's solution for I-24 never making it to control St Louis)...
I'm sure that when the I-465, I-69, & Binford Blvd interchange is totally rebuilt in a project scheduled to begin in the next couple of years, the replacement signage will be designed to allow for the future continuation of I-69 South along I-465 clockwise from the NE side to the SW side of Indy (SIU #2 of the entire national project). I seriously doubt that INDOT will spend the money to do any more any sooner.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 30, 2018, 11:01:31 AM
I am looking forward to that mileage sign in Port Huron, MI that says:

Indianapolis, IN - 349 Miles | 561 Km
Houston, TX - 1364 Miles | 2195 Km
McAllen, TX - 1706 Miles | 2745 Km
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 12, 2018, 03:05:22 PM
The bids for the first construction contract (#R -40848-A) of Section 6 were opened today. Walsh Construction's bid of $21,282,604.13 was the lowest submitted. Walsh beat out Milestone Contractors LP who bid $21,737,000.00, and Crider & Crider, which followed with a bid of $22,178,618.02. The other bidders were White Construction, Inc. and Gradex, Inc. At this time, the bid results are unofficial, but will be finalized tomorrow. Since the INDOT engineering estimate came in at $26,278,915.70, it is almost a certainty the contract will be awarded to Walsh Construction, the low bidder.

Contract #R -40848-A is the first of two contracts for Segment 1 of Section 6, the Martinsville segment. It comprises building a new overpass over SR 37 connecting South Street in Martinsville proper to Grand Valley Blvd., extending Grand Valley Blvd. to Cramertown Loop, and constructing a new road, Artesian Avenue, between Mahalasville Road and Grand Valley Blvd. Work is expected in get underway next spring.

Here's the link to INDOT's unofficial bid results for the lettings of December 12. The results for Contract #R -40848-A are found on page 20.

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2018/dec12/Apparent_dec12.pdf

Edit: minor grammar/wording
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on December 12, 2018, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 29, 2018, 02:36:33 AM

[...] In Texas, for example, it's hard to envision US 190 not being upgraded to an interstate between Houston and Austin.


US 290. US 190 doesn't go to either Houston or Austin, but would probably be upgraded as part of Future I-14 through Central Texas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 12, 2018, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on December 12, 2018, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 29, 2018, 02:36:33 AM

[...] In Texas, for example, it's hard to envision US 190 not being upgraded to an interstate between Houston and Austin.


US 290. US 190 doesn't go to either Houston or Austin, but would probably be upgraded as part of Future I-14 through Central Texas.

Oops. That's a typo that does need correcting! Thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on December 14, 2018, 08:35:21 AM
Before Section 6 gets started, have the finishing touches been completed on Section 5 or is there still cosmetic or signage work left to be completed?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 18, 2018, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on December 14, 2018, 08:35:21 AM
Before Section 6 gets started, have the finishing touches been completed on Section 5 or is there still cosmetic or signage work left to be completed?

https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/SR%2046%20ramp%20closures%2012-14-18.pdf

They're putting in light towers this week at one of the interchanges, so yes, there's still some work ongoing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on December 22, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Google Maps was finally updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. Now they just need to update their satellite imagery of Bloomington. It is almost three years old.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 22, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Google Maps was finally updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. Now they just need to update their satellite imagery of Bloomington. It is almost three years old.
Except it isn't. Still says one can turn off I-69/IN 37 onto crossroads. I believe these access points have been removed - that whole "Interstate" thing. I'm searching this thread to see which Exit I need to take to access Burma Rd heading Northwest from I-69/IN 37. Google says to turn onto Burma off of I-69, and does not show parallel access roads yet

Anyone following this thread know which exit to use to access Burma Rd off I-69/IN 37? Has to be either Sample Rd or Liberty Church. I am traveling from the South on I-69.

Otherwise, I'll figure it out when I get closer. A few hours away yet. I quickly scanned the thread, but on a quick scan, didn't find my answer. INDOT's Section 5 Maps are missing the area I am interested in, for some reason...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 22, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Google Maps was finally updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. Now they just need to update their satellite imagery of Bloomington. It is almost three years old.
Except it isn't. Still says one can turn off I-69/IN 37 onto crossroads. I believe these access points have been removed - that whole "Interstate" thing. I'm searching this thread to see which Exit I need to take to access Burma Rd heading Northwest from I-69/IN 37. Google says to turn onto Burma off of I-69, and does not show parallel access roads yet

Anyone following this thread know which exit to use to access Burma Rd off I-69/IN 37? Has to be either Sample Rd or Liberty Church. I am traveling from the South on I-69.

Otherwise, I'll figure it out when I get closer. A few hours away yet. I quickly scanned the thread, but on a quick scan, didn't find my answer. INDOT's Section 5 Maps are missing the area I am interested in, for some reason...
Heading north on I-69/SR 37, take the Sample Road exit (#125). At the roundabout, bear left to reach WB Sample, cross over the freeway, then proceed straight at the other roundabout. About two blocks later, WB Sample curves right to become NB Sample. Proceed north, past the intersection with W. Simpson Chapel Road, until the road curves to the east (back toward the Interstate). Upon reaching the freeway (at the removed intersection where Oliver Winery is visible across the way, but is now inaccessible from this side), the street again curves to the north and becomes the western frontage road for the Interstate. At this curve, the name now becomes Burma Road. Continue north on this frontage road until you reach the original southern terminus of Burma Road, next to the removed intersection near where the adjacent freeway bifurcates.

If you miss the Sample Road exit, you can continue north to Liberty Church Road exit (#134), but it is a convoluted path to get back to Burma Road from there. At the ramp terminus, turn left & cross above the Interstate, then proceed west past the SB ramps to the new end of Liberty Church Rd. Turn left again onto the new western frontage road (believed to be named either Godsey Rd or Turkey Track Rd), then immediately take the first right onto Godsey Road (the western frontage road continues south, as Turkey Track Rd, but does not connect to Burma Rd in Monroe County). Follow Godsey to the west, then southwest, until it terminates at Paragon Road. Turn right onto Paragon and follow it west to Salem Road (where Paragon makes a 90° curve to the north). Once on Salem Rd, follow it to its terminus, just across the Morgan - Monroe county line, at Burma Road. Depending on your final destination along Burma, turn left to follow it back toward Bloomington, or turn right to follow it to areas in extreme NW Monroe County.

Safe journeys!

Edited by author to correct an error & to add directions from Exit #134.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 22, 2018, 10:30:19 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Google Maps was finally updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. Now they just need to update their satellite imagery of Bloomington. It is almost three years old.
Numerous errors still remain along Section 5. There are no remaining at-grade intersections still open, unlike what Google Maps still indicates. The aerial imagery for the northern part (near the Simpson Chapel Road interchange) appears to be fairly recent, but you are correct in the Bloomington images being out of date. Come on Google, stop spying on us and get your act together!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 23, 2018, 02:06:22 AM
Quote from: SSR_317 on December 22, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on December 22, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Google Maps was finally updated to reflect the completion of Section 5. Now they just need to update their satellite imagery of Bloomington. It is almost three years old.
Except it isn't. Still says one can turn off I-69/IN 37 onto crossroads. I believe these access points have been removed - that whole "Interstate" thing. I'm searching this thread to see which Exit I need to take to access Burma Rd heading Northwest from I-69/IN 37. Google says to turn onto Burma off of I-69, and does not show parallel access roads yet

Anyone following this thread know which exit to use to access Burma Rd off I-69/IN 37? Has to be either Sample Rd or Liberty Church. I am traveling from the South on I-69.

Otherwise, I'll figure it out when I get closer. A few hours away yet. I quickly scanned the thread, but on a quick scan, didn't find my answer. INDOT's Section 5 Maps are missing the area I am interested in, for some reason...
Heading north on I-69/SR 37, take the Sample Road exit (#125). At the roundabout, bear left to reach WB Sample, cross over the freeway, then proceed straight at the other roundabout. About two blocks later, WB Sample curves right to become NB Sample. Proceed north, past the intersection with W. Simpson Chapel Road, until the road curves to the east (back toward the Interstate). Upon reaching the freeway (at the removed intersection where Oliver Winery is visible across the way, but is now inaccessible from this side), the street again curves to the north and becomes the western frontage road for the Interstate. At this curve, the name now becomes Burma Road. Continue north on this frontage road until you reach the original southern terminus of Burma Road, next to the removed intersection near where the adjacent freeway bifurcates.

If you miss the Sample Road exit, you can continue north to Liberty Church Road exit (#134), but it is a convoluted path to get back to Burma Road from there. At the ramp terminus, turn left & cross above the Interstate, then proceed west past the SB ramps to the new end of Liberty Church Rd. Turn left again onto the new western frontage road (believed to be named either Godsey Rd or Turkey Track Rd), then immediately take the first right onto Godsey Road (the western frontage road continues south, as Turkey Track Rd, but does not connect to Burma Rd in Monroe County). Follow Godsey to the west, then southwest, until it terminates at Paragon Road. Turn right onto Paragon and follow it west to Salem Road (where Paragon makes a 90° curve to the north). Once on Salem Rd, follow it to its terminus, just across the Morgan - Monroe county line, at Burma Road. Depending on your final destination along Burma, turn left to follow it back toward Bloomington, or turn right to follow it to areas in extreme NW Monroe County.

Safe journeys!

Edited by author to correct an error & to add directions from Exit #134.
I didn't read before getting to Sample Road...I used the Frontage Rd on the East side of I-69 north of the Sample Rd Exit, crossed over I-69 on the Crossover Rd/Chambers Pike Overpass, then meandered West and North on Dittemore and Buskirk Rds to get to Burma. It worked out

I couldn't tell, at the Sample Rd Exit, if there was a Frontage Rd on the West side of I-69. From your directions, sounds like there was another Frontage Rd on the west of I-69. I didn't see it from the Crossover Rd/Chambers Pike Overpass, either. But it was also dark and a route I am not familiar with, so I may have missed a thing or two

I do appreciate the detailed directions. Final destination is Gosport and I arrived, safe and sound

Google Maps is certainly NOT done mapping I-69 and the new Frontage Rds and eliminating at grade access to I-69/IN 37

Voice Directions from Google Maps in Bloomington still guide as "North on Route 37"  - no mention of Interstate 69

Another thought from the ride on I-69/IN 37 at night, from I-64 to the Sample Rd Exit, but specifically about Bloomington...Its a nice, new, beautiful, 6 Lane, (relatively) Urban style Freeway/Interstate – but, other than at Interchanges, it is not lit...Does INDOT have plans to install Mast or Pole Lighting for I-69 on the 6 Lane section? It just seemed like that was missing and it should have been there
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 23, 2018, 05:55:26 AM
INDOT doesn't too lighting along the highway too much, only at interchanges. Only in really urban areas may they do lighting along the highways. It seems my personal observation that only if the highway is eight lanes or more will they do lighting along the highway, such as parts of I-465 around Indy, along with I-70 east of the downtown. I don't think this rule is followed everywhere though so it goes back to just being a really urban area.

On top of that, I don't know if Bloomington would want lights everywhere along that highway. That said, it was interesting to see what I presume to be white LED lights along that highway (I went through there last night as well) which seem unusual for Indiana highways. In the end though, we are probably lucky to get what we have on lighting, looking at the other recently widened six-lane sections of interstate in the state this is actually the norm for INDOT.

Also, I do like that they have now updated the pull-through signage at Exit 114 for NB I-69/SR 37. Before the sign said SR 37 North Bloomington and now says I-69/SR 37 North Indianapolis. I am guessing that the only reason the other signs south of Section 5 havn't been changed to reflect Indy as the northbound control city on I-69 is because of the fact that I-69 does not go to Indianapolis (yet) but SR 37 does, so putting Indy on the signs along Section 5 are okay.

On top of all that, I do like seeing the signs for every overpass designating the road name, plus every creek and stream along the highway, as is typically done on Indiana highways. I wish the first four sections had that same treatment, plus the updated control city signs and mileage signs. There's even signs alerting traffic to use various exits to get to certain streets since the street names change a lot in Bloomington.

With the exception of the stupid blue milemarkers that for some stupid reason couldn't just be the usual white on green signs that are used on the half-mile markers, the signage along Section 5 is actually pretty great.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 24, 2018, 01:36:41 AM
Here's a few photos that show the lighting at the I-69/SR 48 (3rd Street) interchange in Bloomington. Without high end equipment, it's a challenge to get tack sharp night photos that freeze movement. Moreover, when the ISO is increased, photos often take on a little graininess and may depict a brightness that doesn't reflect the actual environment. Photos were taken November 30, 2018.

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Looking south toward Interstate 69 from the 3rd Street overpass in Bloomington, Indiana. This photo tends to reflect the true lighting environment present at the interchange.

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Looking east toward 3rd Street in Bloomington, Indiana, from the overpass that carries SR 48/3rd Street over Interstate 69.

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Another look south toward I-69 from the 3rd Street/SR 48 overpass. Might be tad brighter than actual conditions.

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Still another view looking south toward I-69 from the overpass. There's a little motion blur, but the SR 45/2nd Street overpass is clearly discernible in the background. The blue bridge is a single-track railroad bridge.

I've taken some pre-construction photos in Martinsville. I'll post them soon.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 24, 2018, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 23, 2018, 02:06:22 AM
I didn't read before getting to Sample Road...I used the Frontage Rd on the East side of I-69 north of the Sample Rd Exit, crossed over I-69 on the Crossover Rd/Chambers Pike Overpass, then meandered West and North on Dittemore and Buskirk Rds to get to Burma. It worked out

I couldn't tell, at the Sample Rd Exit, if there was a Frontage Rd on the West side of I-69. From your directions, sounds like there was another Frontage Rd on the west of I-69. I didn't see it from the Crossover Rd/Chambers Pike Overpass, either. But it was also dark and a route I am not familiar with, so I may have missed a thing or two

I do appreciate the detailed directions. Final destination is Gosport and I arrived, safe and sound

Google Maps is certainly NOT done mapping I-69 and the new Frontage Rds and eliminating at grade access to I-69/IN 37

Voice Directions from Google Maps in Bloomington still guide as "North on Route 37"  - no mention of Interstate 69

Another thought from the ride on I-69/IN 37 at night, from I-64 to the Sample Rd Exit, but specifically about Bloomington...Its a nice, new, beautiful, 6 Lane, (relatively) Urban style Freeway/Interstate – but, other than at Interchanges, it is not lit...Does INDOT have plans to install Mast or Pole Lighting for I-69 on the 6 Lane section? It just seemed like that was missing and it should have been there
At the Sample Rd interchange itself, there is no western frontage road (WFR) proper to the north, but Sample to the west & north and Simpson Chapel Rd to the north & east) serve as a de facto route to serve that purpose. From the point where Simpson Chapel turns north to become Burma Rd (across from Oliver Winery at the now-removed crossroad), the newly-built extension of Burma is the WFR. You didn't notice it at the Chambers Pike grade separation because both Burma Rd and the mainline of I-69/SR 37 go under the bridge due to the high skew angle of the respective alignments there.

South of Sample, there is a WFR (named Thompson Ridge Rd) that serves properties on that side of the Interstate all the way down the hill to Thompson Furniture, across the freeway from the old Hoosier Energy facility. It briefly swings west of the freeway at and around Griffith Cemetery, but otherwise is visible from the mainline.

As for lighting, I believe that the installation of interchange lighting is one of the few remaining Section 5 punch list tasks that have yet to be finished. I think it was mentioned up-thread, for the SR 45/46 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 27, 2018, 12:24:57 AM

A few more pictures that dovetail to some extent with the night shots above. Same area, same direction, etc. Photos were taken December 26, 2018. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

Interstate 69 - Bloomington, Indiana
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Looking south toward Interstate 69 from near the I-69/State Road 48 (3rd Street) interchange in Bloomington, Indiana. Visible is the entire stretch of I-69 between the SR 48 interchange and Fullerton Road interchange, about three miles away. Beyond the blue structure–a CSX railroad bridge–is the SR 45(Bloomfield Road) interchange. Signage for the Tapp Road and Fullerton Road interchanges is discernible, but the interchanges are not. In the deep background, the road bends left as it nears the Fullerton Road overpass.

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The I-69/State Road 48 (3rd Street) interchange in Bloomington, Indiana; looking south.

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Signage near the I-69/SR 48 interchange; looking slightly southeast.

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Sign stanchions and framework of the BGS (pictured above) near the I-69/SR 48interchange; looking east.

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Looking north toward the southbound lanes of Interstate 69 from near the I-69/State Road 48 interchange.

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Another look south toward I-69 from near I-69/SR 48 interchange.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 29, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: ITB on December 27, 2018, 12:24:57 AM

A few more pictures that dovetail to some extent with the night shots above. Same area, same direction, etc. Photos were taken December 26, 2018. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

Interstate 69 - Bloomington, Indiana
...

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Signage near the I-69/SR 48 interchange; looking slightly southeast.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7831/44664051320_59db77714f_k.jpg)
Sign stanchions and framework of the BGS (pictured above) near the I-69/SR 48interchange; looking east.

...

Great view of the details for a standard Indiana overhead Sign Box Truss Structure (SBTS). I was just reviewing the details of these in the INDOT Standard Drawings the other day. I notice this one does not have lighting for the signs, I would guess because that area is covered by mast & pole lighting and has always been fairly bright (even before I-69 came through).

Thanks, as always, for the excellent photos and captioning!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 06, 2019, 01:44:23 AM
Before I put up a few photos of the Martinsville, Indiana, area, a little news. The letting date for the 2nd contract (Contract #33493) of Section 6, Segment 1–that is, the Martinsville segment–has been pushed back four months to October 9, 2019. This shouldn't delay the project, but it will mean heavy construction on the interchanges and mainline will begin in the spring of 2020, instead of late autumn 2019.

If interested in following the contract lettings for Section 6, check out INDOT's 18 month letting schedule (link below). To look up I-69 contract lettings, select PR 69 from under the Select Roads column and then click the Continue button. (PR 69 is found just prior to the SR listings.)

https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/default.aspx?view=contractor

As for the first contract to be let in December for the Martinsville segment, it's still listed on INDOT's letting results page as "pending." Walsh Construction is the apparent low bidder, but the contract has yet to be awarded due to more time being needed by both the Contract Administration Division and the INDOT Economic Opportunity Division, which is conducting a "good faith efforts" review. As the bids for this contract (Contract #40848) were very competitive, it appears INDOT is making sure all the "i"s and "t"s are crossed before awarding the contract, which may happen relatively soon considering it's been nearly a month since the letting.

In addition to first Martinsville segment contact let December 12, 2018, two contacts for the demolition and removal of structures along SR 37–from Indian Creek to 1 mile north of SR 44–were let as well. Renascent, Inc. of Indianapolis was awarded both contacts.

To get everyone up to speed, here again is the INDOT schematic map that covers most of the Martinsville segment:

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Let's start with a few pictures that depict structures that are to be demolished in Martinsville in preparation to the upgrading of SR 37 to I-69. Photos were taken November 3, 2018.

Martinsville, Indiana

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Looking east along South Street in Martinsville, Indiana, toward State Road 37 (background). In this vicinity, South Street will be extended to an overpass that will stretch over SR 37 (future I-69) and connect into Grand Valley Blvd. Already tagged for demolition is the small apartment building (right). The three houses on the left also will taken down, but were not yet tagged probably due to, at the time, the continuing process of acquisition. Please bear in mind these photos were taken two months ago. On the schematic map above, four red dots depict the planned "relocations" of these structures on South Street (just west of SR 37).

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Another vantage point of South Street and the structures that are to be removed; looking east.

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Near the SR 37 / Ohio Street intersection in Martinsville, a house awaits demolition; looking southeast. State Road 37 is directly behind the house and is located where the car (right) is visible.

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Close-up of the above house slated for demolition near the SR 37 / Ohio Street intersection.

Edit: Added date photos were taken; minor modification for readability.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 06, 2019, 09:57:02 PM
It is typical not to award a construction contract until a month or so after the opening of bids. Usually a lot of state and federal paperwork to fill out, among other things like checking for bid irregularity, DBE certification, etc. In Illinois, they give the state 45 days to award the contract, and it sometimes goes over. Technically, the low bidder is allowed to withdraw their bid if the 45 days lapses, but very few contractors would leave work on the table and withdrawals are extremely rare.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: compdude787 on January 07, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
Wow, I'm surprised that it's only going to be two lanes through Martinsville, whereas it was three lanes through Bloomington. Seems a bit strange to me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 07, 2019, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on January 07, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
Wow, I'm surprised that it's only going to be two lanes through Martinsville, whereas it was three lanes through Bloomington. Seems a bit strange to me.
Martinsville is much smaller than Bloomington, and with the new access roads being constructed, I could see a lot of that local commercial traffic using those roads more.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 07, 2019, 12:38:57 PM
If they were smart...which I'm not sure about....they should at least build the roadway and bridges so that it could support six lanes in the future. Even if the traffic levels are fine for the moment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 07, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 07, 2019, 12:38:57 PM
If they were smart...which I'm not sure about....they should at least build the roadway and bridges so that it could support six lanes in the future. Even if the traffic levels are fine for the moment.

Not sure what their plans for the bridges are, but the existing roadway would support two more lanes where the median is if a median barrier was added.

It looks the same to me as the stretch through Bloomington before I-69 was built.

Anyway, when I've driven through there, the stoplights seemed to be the cause of any traffic backups.  Bloomington already had pretty substantial traffic between 17th street and 2nd street, so making that 6 lanes made sense.

Also this article says that tree planting work on Section 5 will resume in the Spring
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/work-on-i-69-extension-beginning-this-year.php
QuoteWork is expected to shift northward this year on the decade-long project to extend Interstate 69 through southwestern Indiana.

The new focus follows state officials opening the 21-mile Bloomington-to-Martinsville segment to full highway speeds in November. Work in that section such as planting trees will resume in the spring
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 08, 2019, 04:20:02 PM
The bid results for the first construction contract letting of Section 6, Segment 1–the Martinsville segment–are now official. Milestone Contractors LP of Indianapolis has been awarded the contract (R -40848-A) as Walsh Construction's slightly lower bid was deemed "irregular." According to INDOT, Walsh failed to submit a valid performance bond and the bid was rejected pursuant to 105 IAC 11-3-16(A)(1).

Wow. I guess things like this happen, but it's surprising as Walsh Construction is a very experienced contractor. To have a screw up like this occur is bound to cause deep unhappiness within the executive ranks at Walsh.

The official results for Contract R-40848-A are found on Page 20 of INDOT's Official Bid Tabulations (December 12, 2018), which can be accessed via the following link:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2018/dec12/20181212_Official.pdf

Edit: grammar, readability
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 08, 2019, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 08, 2019, 04:20:02 PM
The bid results for the first construction contract letting of Section 6, Segment 1–the Martinsville segment–are now official. Milestone Contractors LP of Indianapolis has been awarded the contract (R -40848-A) as Walsh Construction's slightly lower bid was deemed "irregular." According to INDOT, Walsh failed to submit a valid performance bond and the bid was rejected pursuant to 105 IAC 11-3-16(A)(1).

Wow. I guess things like this happen, but it's surprising as Walsh Construction is a very experienced contractor. To have a screw up like this occur is bound to cause deep unhappiness within the executive ranks at Walsh.

The official results for Contract R-40848-A are found on Page 20 of INDOT's Official Bid Tabulations (December 12, 2018), which can be accessed via the following link:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2018/dec12/20181212_Official.pdf

Edit: grammar, readability

Someone in the Bid and Proposals office at Walsh is probably going to get fired for not including the performance bond certificate with the bid submittal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 08, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 08, 2019, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 08, 2019, 04:20:02 PM
The bid results for the first construction contract letting of Section 6, Segment 1–the Martinsville segment–are now official. Milestone Contractors LP of Indianapolis has been awarded the contract (R -40848-A) as Walsh Construction's slightly lower bid was deemed "irregular." According to INDOT, Walsh failed to submit a valid performance bond and the bid was rejected pursuant to 105 IAC 11-3-16(A)(1).

Wow. I guess things like this happen, but it's surprising as Walsh Construction is a very experienced contractor. To have a screw up like this occur is bound to cause deep unhappiness within the executive ranks at Walsh.

The official results for Contract R-40848-A are found on Page 20 of INDOT's Official Bid Tabulations (December 12, 2018), which can be accessed via the following link:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2018/dec12/20181212_Official.pdf

Edit: grammar, readability

Someone in the Bid and Proposals office at Walsh is probably going to get fired for not including the performance bond certificate with the bid submittal.

it said a "valid" performance bond.  That may mean the bond provided either wasn't large enough, was a bond from a prior project placed in error, or the bond was still in process and not certified.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 10, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
A few pre-construction pictures of State Road 37 in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were taken November 3, 2018, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

State Road 37, Martinsville, Morgan County, Indiana

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Looking south toward State Road 37 from near the SR 37/SR 252 intersection in Martinsville, Indiana. An overpass carrying Grand Valley Blvd. and connecting to South Street in Martinsville proper will be built at the spot where the signal-controlled intersection is in the mid-background (red lights, etc.). Just around the bend in the deep background is the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection, which, in 2021, will become a full interchange.

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Another perspective of SR 37 in Martinsville, looking slightly southeast from near the SR 37/SR 252-Hospital Drive intersection. The SR 37/Grand Valley Road intersection, where the overpass is planned, is in the mid-background.

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The SR 37/Grand Valley Blvd. intersection; looking north. Construction of the overpass is expected to commence in the spring.

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Mid-distance view of State Road 37 and the SR 37/SR 252 (nearest) and SR 37/SR 44 intersections; looking north. As SR 37 is transitioned to Interstate 69, the mainline roadway will be raised in the range of 15 to 20 feet in the vicinity of SR 252, as I-69 will cross over SR 252-Hospital Drive. At SR 44 (deep background), I-69 will go under an overpass that will carry SR 44.

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Long range perspective of SR 37, looking north from near the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection. In the deep background are the SR 252 and SR 44 intersections, both of which will be reconstructed as interchanges. Photo was taken November 24, 2018.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on January 13, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
ITB, I've mentioned this before, but you have a real knack for photography.  This I-69 thread is easily one of the best photo threads on this forum.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 13, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on January 13, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
ITB, I've mentioned this before, but you have a real knack for photography.  This I-69 thread is easily one of the best photo threads on this forum.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 14, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on January 13, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on January 13, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
ITB, I've mentioned this before, but you have a real knack for photography.  This I-69 thread is easily one of the best photo threads on this forum.

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This I agree with very much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 14, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 10, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
A few pre-construction pictures of State Road 37 in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were taken November 3, 2018, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.
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Another perspective of SR 37 in Martinsville, looking slightly southeast from near the SR 37/SR 252-Hospital Drive intersection. The SR 37/Grand Valley Road intersection, where the overpass is planned, is in the mid-background.
Just to make sure I'm on the right page, but here do you mean "slightly southeast," as if the road were heading due south? I ask because I'm trying to place your positioning on a map, and the direction can't be anything than slightly west of south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 15, 2019, 12:44:33 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 14, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 10, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
A few pre-construction pictures of State Road 37 in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were taken November 3, 2018, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4879/46539686112_86f959faf8_k.jpg)
Another perspective of SR 37 in Martinsville, looking slightly southeast from near the SR 37/SR 252-Hospital Drive intersection. The SR 37/Grand Valley Road intersection, where the overpass is planned, is in the mid-background.
Just to make sure I'm on the right page, but here do you mean "slightly southeast," as if the road were heading due south? I ask because I'm trying to place your positioning on a map, and the direction can't be anything than slightly west of south.

Yes, I see what you're saying. Using Google maps and Google Earth as reference, it does appear the camera is facing southwest, but that is not the case. The true perspective of the photo is almost directly due south, not "slightly southeast," as noted in the caption. I try to be accurate with perspective positions, but am sometimes off. I can't explain the difference between the maps and the perspective position of the photo–due south–which I believe is correct. To be truly looking southeast, the perspective would shift left, pushing the poles seen in the image out of the frame. To be looking southwest, the brown telephone pole would move to the left of the frame. To be looking due west would mean about a 90 degree turn to the right. Although it appears I'm positioned near the SR 37/SR 252 intersection when the photo was taken, I'm actually upwards of a hundred yards away.

Addendum: Looking again at Martinsville via Google Earth, it does appear the camera angle is facing slightly southwest. I'll admit I don't know the Martinsville area all that well, and because of that, my sense of direction may be skewed to an extent. I can say that I almost always try to take pictures away from the direction of the sun, usually with it at my back, and would be very reluctant to turn the camera toward it. Still, having said that it's likely the above image was captured with the camera pointed to some degree south/southwest.

Edit: Added addendum.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 21, 2019, 11:08:51 PM

A little news about SR 39 in Martinsville was reported recently in Martinsville's Reporter Times. As many of you know, SR 39 will be utilized as the official detour route when SR 37 is closed for I-69 construction during the 2021 construction season. According to the article, prior to the closure of SR 37 INDOT is planning to:

- resurface and widen SR 39 to 4 lanes between the SR 37/SR 39 interchange and the railroad tracks just north of the Mitchell Avenue crossing
- add a curb to SR 39 and build infrastructure sewer drainage
- modify the intersection at SR 39 and Morton Avenue to create a two-lane westbound turn
- install a new traffic signal at SR 39 and Burton Lane
- construct new turn lanes at SR 39 and Morgan Street, and build a retaining wall

Work on SR 39 is expected to commence in 2020. State Road 37 will not be closed until the SR 39 upgrade completes. After SR 37 reopens as I-69, SR 39 will be restriped and returned to a two-lane road. INDOT considered making SR 39 four lanes in its entirety in Martinsville, but the cost was deemed prohibitive.

Under the guidelines of fair use, here's a section of the article (unfortunately behind a paywall), which was published January 19, 2019 in the Reporter-Times, and republished January 21 in the Herald-Times:

Quote Portions of Ind. 39 bypass to be four lanes during Ind. 37 construction
By Lance Gideon

MARTINSVILLE – The development of the I-69 extension between Evansville and Indianapolis has been a hot issue in Martinsville as the project pushes further north.

On Friday, Jennifer Goins, an engineer with civil engineering firm HNTB, gave an update on the project during the January meeting of the Greater Martinsville Chamber of Commerce. HNTB is working with the Indiana Department of Transportation on Section 6 of the I-69 project.

"The reason that we wanted to come today is that we have been hearing some different rumors about what INDOT's plan is for Ind. 39,"  Goins said.

The Ind. 39 bypass in Martinsville is expected to accommodate additional traffic while Ind. 37 is closed to be upgraded to interstate standards, a project scheduled to take place in 2021. According to Goins, INDOT will be widening and resurfacing much of the bypass ahead of that.

"For the most part, there will be a good amount of widening,"  she said. "There will be a curb added and some storm sewer infrastructure added."

The additional width will be a temporary configuration during the work that is taking place on Ind. 37.
...

Link to article: https://www.hoosiertimes.com/herald_times_online/news/local/portions-of-ind-bypass-to-be-four-lanes/article_ca6c373f-843c-5115-b934-b7463d678624.html

I'll be posting a few more photos soon. A quick shout out to those who earlier expressed kind words for my photography. Thank you!


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on January 22, 2019, 05:09:03 AM
Sorry I know this has been answered before but this is the final project to bridge the gap between Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 22, 2019, 08:35:55 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 22, 2019, 05:09:03 AM
Sorry I know this has been answered before but this is the final project to bridge the gap between Indianapolis?

What construction is about to begin on is the segment around Martinsville.  The last segment will be from Martinsville to I-65 and that is still in the planning stages.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on January 22, 2019, 08:49:54 AM
Dang okay. When I saw this won't be starting until 2021, I was hoping that it would be the full remaining gap to I-65 but now I see. Sad that seems a ways off. I do remember reading earlier in this thread the mid 2020s are looking like the targeted completion date. I do wish it was sooner.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 22, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
Looking at Google Maps, the Martinsville segment and the North end at I-465 are the challenging portions. 

Most of the in-between sections are a mix of widening the existing road, adding over/underpasses, frontage roads, and interchanges where needed. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on January 22, 2019, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 22, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
Looking at Google Maps, the Martinsville segment and the North end at I-465 are the challenging portions. 

Most of the in-between sections are a mix of widening the existing road, adding over/underpasses, frontage roads, and interchanges where needed.

IIRC, the current plan is for a free-flowing directional 'T' interchange immediately west of the truck stop at I-465/IN 37, with the interchange to be 'piggybacked' over the IN 37 interchange.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 22, 2019, 09:59:20 PM
Here again is the map depicting the proposed design of the I-69/I-465 interchange as well as assorted roadways. This configuration is the design that was included as part of the Tier 2 Environmental Impact Statement, and later the Record of Decision (ROD) of 2018, so this is what it's going to be. It's possible there may be minor tweaks as INDOT moves into the detailed design and construction phases. 

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Courtesy INDOT

At a cursory glance the I-69/I-465 interchange, as well as associated projects, including I-465 widening, appear to have all the makings of a time-consuming, challenging build. Note how the eastbound I-465 exit ramp to SR 37 begins at the I-69/I-465 interchange (thin yellow line), goes underneath both the westbound flyover from I-465 to I-69 south and the I-69 northbound ramp to I-465 east, skirts by the quarry, then runs parallel to I-465 eastbound before finally linking into SR 37.

Link to I-69 Section 6 maps: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

Edit: grammar, readability; added material about the I-465 exit ramp to SR 37
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on January 23, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
Is that long westbound I-465 to southbound I-69 flyover planned to be 2 lanes or just 1?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on January 23, 2019, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 23, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
Is that long westbound I-465 to southbound I-69 flyover planned to be 2 lanes or just 1?

I would be very surprised if it won't be two lanes considering that it carries I-69. I know the whole stretch from Martinsville to Indianapolis won't be six lanes, but will it be six lanes just south of 465? In that case I'd expect all the ramps to be two lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on January 23, 2019, 10:11:33 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 23, 2019, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 23, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
Is that long westbound I-465 to southbound I-69 flyover planned to be 2 lanes or just 1?

I would be very surprised if it won't be two lanes considering that it carries I-69. I know the whole stretch from Martinsville to Indianapolis won't be six lanes, but will it be six lanes just south of 465? In that case I'd expect all the ramps to be two lanes.

I-69 will be eight lanes from 465 to Southport Road and six lanes to Smith Valley Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 23, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
They should request bids for the I-465/I-69 intersection sooner than later.  Since this intersection along with the Martinsville area project are the most intensive, they ought to work on both at the same time.  The Martinsville work will reduce some traffic that has been using I-69 to Indianapolis due to the detour, and that can't hurt in lessening traffic for the intersection and merge into what is now IN-37 south of I-465.  But alas, I don't see INDOT going that way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on January 30, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
I sure hope they find a way to not make the 465-Harding street exit worse as 69 enters east bound 465 very near that intersection. I know people will use the 69 south ramp to go south but its a lot a traffic in one small area. I could be wrong but it seems that way
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 30, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on January 30, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
I sure hope they find a way to not make the 465-Harding street exit worse as 69 enters east bound 465 very near that intersection. I know people will use the 69 south ramp to go south but its a lot a traffic in one small area. I could be wrong but it seems that way

they won't, you can see that the harding street exit splits off just west of where 69 will enter eb. no weaving issues
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on January 30, 2019, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 30, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on January 30, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
I sure hope they find a way to not make the 465-Harding street exit worse as 69 enters east bound 465 very near that intersection. I know people will use the 69 south ramp to go south but its a lot a traffic in one small area. I could be wrong but it seems that way

they won't, you can see that the harding street exit splits off just west of where 69 will enter eb. no weaving issues

Yea, access between Harding and I-69 south will be via other interchanges.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on February 04, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
With so many active quarries around I-465 and the planned I-69 interchange, they should see some fairly cheap materials costs.  Talk about just in time delivery!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 12, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
https://www.ibj.com/articles/72271-get-up-to-speed-on-the-last-leg-of-i-69-construction

This article from the Indian Business Journal on I-69 from Feb 1 has a good summary of current info on Sec 6.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 12, 2019, 04:58:57 PM
^^^

It's a nice map, but, unfortunately, parts are based on outdated information. There will be no overpass built at Burton Lane in Martinsville. The overpass was eliminated even before the Martinsville Reevalution Meeting of September 17, 2018, when various design changes to the Martinsville segment were presented to the public. And, no, the overpass hasn't been designed back in since then.

***Update: Examining the above map more closely and comparing it to current INDOT Section 6 maps, two additional inaccuracies become evident: (1) there will be no overpass at Big Bend Road in Morgan County; and (2) no overpass will be built at Stones Crossing Road in Johnson County; instead, Stones Crossing will be rerouted south to intersect with SR 144 east of SR 37 (future I-69).***

Map of future I-69/SR 39 interchange area in Martinsville, Indiana
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Courtesy INDOT.
Burton Lane is planned to terminate on each side of I-69; no overpass will be built. Plans now are to construct a new local access road between the eastern SR 39 interchange roundabout and Burton Lane.

The IBJ article, referenced above, also states I-69 will be three lanes in each direction between SR 144 and Southport Road. No. The three lanes of I-69 will begin just south of Smith Valley Road. The article goes on the say there will be four lanes of I-69 between Southport Road and I-465. Not entirely correct. There will be four lanes between Southport Road and W. Epler Avenue, of which the forth lane in each direction will be a collector/distributor between the Southport interchange and the partial interchange at Epler. It appears the I-69 ramps to I-465 will total three lanes in each direction (see the map of the proposed I-69/I-465 interchange posted earlier).

While I acknowledge it somewhat challenging to keep up to date about Section 6 of I-69 due to design changes, it's frustrating to see inaccurate information disseminated. Of course, when considering the entirety of the Section 6 project, a single report containing a couple of minor inaccuracies matters little. Still, because inaccuracies often tend to spread and be regarded as factual, extra effort should be undertaken to be as accurate as possible, even in this forum. I certainly try to be. If anyone notices a factual error, however minor, in any of my posts, please take a minute to point it out either in the forum or in a personal message.

Another map of the future I-69/SR 39 interchange in Martinsville, Indiana:
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Courtesy INDOT
Depiction of the future I-69/SR 39 interchange presented at the Martinsville Reevaluation Meeting of September 17, 2018. This design is now final. Construction will commence in the spring of 2020. And, to point out again, there is no overpass/underpass planned at Burton Lane (bottom right).

Link to INDOT I-69 Section 6 Maps: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

Edit: Minor wording changes for readability; added second map; added ***Update*** and link to INDOT Section 6 maps..

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 12, 2019, 05:23:40 PM
 
A few pre-construction pictures of the SR 37/SR 39 interchange in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were taken November 24, 2018, unless otherwise stated.

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Signage near the SR 37/SR 39 interchange in Martinsville, just west of the SR 37 mainline; looking northwest. When SR 37 is closed in Martinsville between SR 39 and SR 44 during the 2021 construction season, SR 39/Morton Avenue (the road pictured, left) will be part of the official detour route. On the right is the end of the southbound exit ramp from SR 37.

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The underpass carrying the northbound SR 37 ramps to/from SR 39/Morton Ave.; looking southeast.

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Looking east from Rogers Road toward the SR 37 southbound off ramp to SR 39/Morton Ave–the view of which is blocked by the car.

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Signage just west of SR 37 mainline where Morton Avenue/SR 39 and associated roads meet. On the far left (background) is Rogers Road. There's an asphalt plant down that way that pumped out a lot of material for I-69 Section 5, and is likely do so again as Section 6 ramps up.

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Looking north toward SR 39/Morton Avenue from the SR 37/SR 39 interchange.

Edit: Added an additional photo; swapped out a photo for another; minor wording edits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on February 15, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 12, 2019, 04:58:57 PM
^^^

It's a nice map, but, unfortunately, parts are based on outdated information. There will be no overpass built at Burton Lane in Martinsville. The overpass was eliminated even before the Martinsville Reevalution Meeting of September 17, 2018, when various design changes to the Martinsville segment were presented to the public. And, no, the overpass hasn't been designed back in since then.

***Update: Examining the above map more closely and comparing it to current INDOT Section 6 maps, two additional inaccuracies become evident: (1) there will be no overpass at Big Bend Road in Morgan County; and (2) no overpass will be built at Stones Crossing Road in Johnson County; instead, Stones Crossing will be rerouted south to intersect with SR 144 east of SR 37 (future I-69).***

...
Since you asked for corrections, technically the rerouting of Stones Crossing Rd will intersect Johnson Country Route 144 (former SR 144), east of SR 37 (future I-69). From west to east, the State Route ends at the present signalized intersection and the shielded County Route (one of the very few in Indiana) begins.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 17, 2019, 09:37:31 AM
they need to put an exit at whiteland road, it connects to 65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on February 17, 2019, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 12, 2019, 04:58:57 PM
Map of future I-69/SR 39 interchange area in Martinsville, Indiana
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Courtesy INDOT.
Burton Lane is planned to terminate on each side of I-69; no overpass will be built. Plans now are to construct a new local access road between the eastern SR 39 interchange roundabout and Burton Lane.

The IBJ article, referenced above, also states I-69 will be three lanes in each direction between SR 144 and Southport Road. No. The three lanes of I-69 will begin just south of Smith Valley Road. The article goes on the say there will be four lanes of I-69 between Southport Road and I-465. Not entirely correct. There will be four lanes between Southport Road and W. Epler Avenue, of which the forth lane in each direction will be a collector/distributor between the Southport interchange and the partial interchange at Epler. It appears the I-69 ramps to I-465 will total three lanes in each direction (see the map of the proposed I-69/I-465 interchange posted earlier).

While I acknowledge it somewhat challenging to keep up to date about Section 6 of I-69 due to design changes, it's frustrating to see inaccurate information disseminated. Of course, when considering the entirety of the Section 6 project, a single report containing a couple of minor inaccuracies matters little. Still, because inaccuracies often tend to spread and be regarded as factual, extra effort should be undertaken to be as accurate as possible, even in this forum. I certainly try to be. If anyone notices a factual error, however minor, in any of my posts, please take a minute to point it out either in the forum or in a personal message.

That looks like a neat solution to access on the southeast side of the new highway.  That's one thing that I've always really liked about roundabouts - they allow for amazing amounts of design flexibility in complex intersection situations.

:nod:

The only potential weakness that I can see is a lack of convenient pedestrian/bicycle access across I-69 in the Burton Ln area.  Perhaps this will be a good future local project.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on February 18, 2019, 09:57:27 AM
There's just a Taco Bell/KFC on the south side of the Interstate and a Holiday Inn Express.  I'm sure in an ideal world it'd be nice for kids to be able to walk/bike there or people from the Holiday Inn to walk across the Interstate on a bridge to go to Starbucks/McDonald's, but right now there's not even a sidewalk on Burton Lane.  That sort of access isn't nearly the priority in a town like Martinsville versus Bloomington.

I don't think there will be a lot of additional development on the south side of I-69 on Burton Lane with Indian Creek and a big pond there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 18, 2019, 10:40:27 AM
If my look at the map is correct then Southview Drive, which would be that frontage road south of the highway will continue east all the way to Mahalasville Road, providing access to the Ohio Street interchange as well as the SR 39 one. At least Taco Bell/KFC and Holiday Inn get to stay, I'm almost certain that the Circle K station and Dairy Queen will have to go.

As for something I read yesterday on this thread, I think Whiteland Road meets SR 37 within a mile or so of the proposed SR 144 interchange and given the general rule about no exits within a mile of each other outside of cities I'm sure a Whiteland Road exit idea is out. Besides Whiteland Road is easily accessible from CR 144 to the east of SR 37. It is one more minute to travel from SR 37/Whiteland Road to CR 144/Whiteland Road via CR 144 than from a proposed exit off of I-69. I'm not sure a multi-million dollar interchange would be worth a minute saved.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 24, 2019, 06:36:38 PM
Motored up the Martinsville today for a look-see. No construction or demolition has yet to commence. Then again, I didn't check out every area where construction is planned. Seems like work will get underway in March.

Instead of the photos I had planned to take in Martinsville, if work had commenced, I took a few of Section 5. All of the orange construction barrels have been removed along Section 5. There are a couple of spots where work continues for drainage, slope regrading, fencing, etc. Photos were taken Sunday, February 24, 2019.

Interstate 69 – Morgan County, Indiana
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Looking north toward the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana. The frontage, or local access, road on the left is signed Turkey Track Road all the way to its intersection with Liberty Church Road at the interchange.

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Closer view of I-69 and the Liberty Church Road interchange; looking north. Thin metal vanes painted green have been installed on the top of segments of concrete barrier wall at various points along Section 5. Anyone know what these vanes are called?

Interstate 69 – Monroe County, Indiana
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Looking north toward I-69 from the Sample Road overpass/interchange in Monroe County.

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Another perspective from the Sample Road overpass; looking north.

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Mid-range view looking north toward I-69 and the Liberty Church Road interchange.

Edit: Removed a photo which was repetitious.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on February 24, 2019, 10:15:18 PM
Thanks ITB! Really love your photo updates.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on February 25, 2019, 02:00:53 PM
I'm looking forward to the completed I-69 across the Hoosier State.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 25, 2019, 03:10:22 PM

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Looking north toward the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana.

In yesterday's photo post I stated the green vanes on top of the concrete barrier wall were "metal." I'm not so sure that's correct, as I didn't actually touch one. Considering the prevalence of plastics in society today, there's a good chance the vanes are plastic, not metal. Next time I'll check. And, again, does anyone have any idea what the vanes are formally called?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 24, 2019, 06:36:38 PM
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Has the paint started coming up already from the yellow line on the oncoming side?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 25, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 24, 2019, 06:36:38 PM
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Has the paint started coming up already from the yellow line on the oncoming side?

It's thermoplastic, and it's coming off due to snow plows.  they ruin curbs and pavement markings everywhere.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
It's thermoplastic, and it's coming off due to snow plows.  they ruin curbs and pavement markings everywhere.

Any idea on how often it's reapplied? Is it an annual thing, or perhaps just as-needed overall?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Also, something that I've noticed on the plans for Section 6 is that there are, at least it seems to me, a high number of non-diamond interchanges, in that one of the ramps is a loop ramp. I'm kind of surprised by that, since I've been led to believe that such ramps increase the chances of wrong-way driving.

Does anyone know if there's a reason for this, such as terrain, perhaps, or maybe money?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 25, 2019, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Also, something that I've noticed on the plans for Section 6 is that there are, at least it seems to me, a high number of non-diamond interchanges, in that one of the ramps is a loop ramp. I'm kind of surprised by that, since I've been led to believe that such ramps increase the chances of wrong-way driving.

Does anyone know if there's a reason for this, such as terrain, perhaps, or maybe money?

If I had to pinpoint one factor I'd say the already built up environment. Due to concerns raised by authorities in Johnson County and elsewhere about disrupting the existing business and residential environment, INDOT has endeavored to take as few properties as possible. For example, at the intersection of SR 37 and SR/CR 144, where an interchange is planned, the approved design, featuring a loop, avoided the taking of the large BP gas station and convenience store on the intersection's northwest corner. At SR 37 and Southport Road, where a tight diamond interchange is planned, Southport Road was shifted slightly north to avoid the large apartment complex on the intersection's southeast corner. Cost, too, is a factor, as the fewer businesses and residences that need to acquired, the fewer possible lawsuits to contend with as well as lower overall expenditures.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on February 25, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 25, 2019, 03:10:22 PM

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Looking north toward the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana.

In yesterday's photo post I stated the green vanes on top of the concrete barrier wall were "metal." I'm not so sure that's correct, as I didn't actually touch one. Considering the prevalence of plastics in society today, there's a good chance the vanes are plastic, not metal. Next time I'll check. And, again, does anyone have any idea what the vanes are formally called?

In an MTR posting 14 years ago, one Scott M. Kozel called them "glare paddles". Another source calls them "blinders". (Google: "highway barrier headlight blocker".)

Editing to add https://patents.google.com/patent/US5181695

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 28, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
It's thermoplastic, and it's coming off due to snow plows.  they ruin curbs and pavement markings everywhere.

Any idea on how often it's reapplied? Is it an annual thing, or perhaps just as-needed overall?

they have a design life, i forget how long that is though.  they have a new method of grooving the pavement so the markings are level with the surface so the plows wont screw them up.  not sure if they used that for this project it's a fairly new pay item.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on March 01, 2019, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 28, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
It's thermoplastic, and it's coming off due to snow plows.  they ruin curbs and pavement markings everywhere.

Any idea on how often it's reapplied? Is it an annual thing, or perhaps just as-needed overall?

they have a design life, i forget how long that is though.  they have a new method of grooving the pavement so the markings are level with the surface so the plows wont screw them up.  not sure if they used that for this project it's a fairly new pay item.

Along with the grooving to imbed the markings in the pavement, there are also more durable markings out there than the traditional thermoplastic, which is notorious for not sticking well to asphalt and especially to concrete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 01, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on March 01, 2019, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 28, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 25, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 25, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
It's thermoplastic, and it's coming off due to snow plows.  they ruin curbs and pavement markings everywhere.

Any idea on how often it's reapplied? Is it an annual thing, or perhaps just as-needed overall?

they have a design life, i forget how long that is though.  they have a new method of grooving the pavement so the markings are level with the surface so the plows wont screw them up.  not sure if they used that for this project it's a fairly new pay item.

Along with the grooving to imbed the markings in the pavement, there are also more durable markings out there than the traditional thermoplastic, which is notorious for not sticking well to asphalt and especially to concrete.

Thermo should only be applied to new asphalt and never concrete.  I think concrete has a pay item called "preformed plastic" which is somehow different.  Paint is used on existing surfaces that arent new (they can be on one surfaces but they aren't economical for new surfaces)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 17, 2019, 11:35:43 PM

A few pictures of completed I-69 in Monroe County, Indiana. Photos were taken March 17, 2019. To expand the pictures, Right Click, etc.

Interstate 69 – Monroe County, Indiana

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Looking south from the Arlington Road overpass in Monroe County toward Interstate 69 and the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange.

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Looking north from the Arlington Road overpass in Monroe County toward Interstate 69. Just around the bend in the deep background, the speed limit becomes 70 mph.

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Slightly closer look at the signage at the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange; looking south.

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Different perspective of the signage and I-69/SR 46 exit ramp; looking south.

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Another look toward the I-69/SR 45/46 interchange.

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Again, looking north toward I-69 from the Arlington Road overpass.

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Wide angle view looking north toward Interstate 69.

Construction is getting underway on Section 6 in Martinsville. Currently, crews are removing vegetation and laying sediment barriers. As yet, no structures have been demolished, but that should happen soon. I've taken a few pictures; I'll post a few soon.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 20, 2019, 01:02:41 AM

Here's a few pictures of the scene in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were taken March 17, 2019.

Equipment is on site, bushes and trees are in the process being removed, environmental sediment barriers have been placed. Work will begin to ramp up in the coming weeks. 

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Looking east from South Street in Martinsville proper toward State Road 37 (background) and the commercial area beyond. Grand Valley Blvd., on the other side of SR 37, will be extended to cross over SR 37 and connect with South Street at this location. The house on the left tagged for demolition will soon be gone. The little pedestrian bridge pictured crosses over Sartor Ditch.

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Sartor Ditch, looking north from the pedestrian bridge pictured in the above photo. Fiber rolls have been placed to control soil erosion and prevent sediment runoff during construction, which will soon be underway. The building on the right is Martinsville High School.

In the spring of 2008, just 11 years ago, heavy, extensive rains caused Sartor Ditch to overflow its banks, triggering one of the most significant floods in the history of Martinsville and Morgan County. Because of copyright, I can't post this picture, but here's a link:

Martinsville Flood – 2008
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The highway depicted in the photo is State Road 37. To get your bearings, you are looking slightly northwest. The northbound lanes of SR 37 are the lowermost of the two roadways. Sartor Ditch runs adjacent to SR 37 on the west side of 37, near the pictured trailer park (top). The location where the first two photos above were taken is out of view, but is nearby the area shown in the top right. Indian Creek, too, overflowed in the flood of 2008, and a lot of the water on the east side of SR 37 (lower 2/3 of photo) is from that origin as well as from Sartor Ditch.

Grubbing work along SR 37 in Martinsville, Indiana
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Just south of the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection in Martinsville, trees and bushes and other vegetation are in the process of being removed along the Section 6 right-of-way; looking northeast.

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Another perspective looking northeast toward the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection.

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More grubbing work along the Section 6 right-of-way about a half mile south of the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection; looking north. SR 37 is in the background.

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Another look at the equipment on site near the intersection of SR 37 and Grand Valley Blvd (background); looking east. The extension of Grand Valley Blvd, connecting to South Street, will come right through here.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on March 20, 2019, 10:40:42 PM
The causes of the Flood of 2008 were pretty unique. Even the National Weather Service said it was a unique combination of events that caused the 11 inches of rain to fall from Terre Haute and to the southeast to Seymour.

https://www.weather.gov/ind/june072008flood (https://www.weather.gov/ind/june072008flood)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 19, 2019, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 20, 2019, 10:40:42 PM
The causes of the Flood of 2008 were pretty unique. Even the National Weather Service said it was a unique combination of events that caused the 11 inches of rain to fall from Terre Haute and to the southeast to Seymour.

https://www.weather.gov/ind/june072008flood (https://www.weather.gov/ind/june072008flood)

Indeed, it was a very unusual weather event. Nevertheless, INDOT isn't taking any chances and is designing the interstate upgrade of SR 37 to make sure the roadway is never again severed by a flood.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 19, 2019, 02:16:57 AM

Before I post a few pictures of Section 6 construction in Martinsville, I'd like to bring to your attention some meaningful news out of Tennessee. Last month, TDOT opened the I-69 contract bids for Section 5 of SIU 7. This contract involves the construction of 4.87 miles of interstate roadway from west of SR 21 to US 51 near Mayberry Road in Obion County. With the awarding of this contract and subsequent construction, it is now expected the bypass around Union City will be completed by 2022. That will leave only Sections 1 and 2 of SIU 7 to be constructed before Interstate 69 will intersect with I-155. This is important because I-155 intersects with I-55, one of more important and heavily traveled north-south interstate corridors. There's the possibility a considerable amount of traffic might swing off I-55 via I-155 and utilize I-69 to points north, and vice versa when heading south.

For more info on what's going with I-69 in Tennessee, be sure to check out the I-69 in TN topic in the forum:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.350
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 19, 2019, 02:42:20 AM

As many of you know, construction under the first contract let for Segment 1 of Section 6–aka the Martinsville segment–got underway in March. Three contracts are to be let for Segment 1. To differentiate the contracts, INDOT deemed this first contract the "offroad" contact, as it does not involve work on the mainline.

Let's go to the pics. Photos were taken April 13, 2019, unless otherwise noted.

Construction of New Bridge over Sartor Ditch, Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking east from South Street in Martinsville, Indiana, toward construction to build a new bridge over Sartor Ditch.  This is part of the project to extend Grand Valley Blvd. over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) to connect with South Street in Martinsville proper.

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Another perspective of the Sartor Ditch bridge construction; looking northeast.

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Closer look at the Sartor Ditch bridge work; looking northeast.

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Sartor Ditch and the construction zone near South Street in Martinsville; looking south.

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The head of the pile driving rig at the Sartor Ditch construction site.

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Crunch! Near the intersection of Ohio Street and State Road 37, a house awaits demolition, as construction of Segment 1 of Section 6 of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project ramps up.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 19, 2019, 10:19:04 PM
sartor ditch will be rerouted in the area of where it crosses i-69. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 06, 2019, 01:49:21 AM
Well, I was up in Martinsville, Indiana, again. And I had the camera. So ...  Photos were taken Sunday, May 5, 2019, unless otherwise identified.

South Street/Sartor Ditch work zone – Martinsville, Indiana

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Near South Street in Martinsville, work continues on the bridge over Sartor Ditch; looking northeast. In the background is State Road 37, which, as almost all of you know, is being upgraded to Interstate 69.

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At the South Street/Sartor Ditch work zone, a Link-Belt crane with pile driving attachment; looking east.

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Closer look at the bridge work underway at the South Street/Sartor Ditch work zone; looking east.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on May 07, 2019, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 06, 2019, 01:49:21 AM
Well, I was up in Martinsville, Indiana, again. And I had the camera. So ...  Photos were taken Sunday, May 5, 2019, unless otherwise identified.
Are they letting you near the construction, or are you just zoomed in from further back?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 08, 2019, 12:25:28 AM
Quote from: X99 on May 07, 2019, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 06, 2019, 01:49:21 AM
Well, I was up in Martinsville, Indiana, again. And I had the camera. So ...  Photos were taken Sunday, May 5, 2019, unless otherwise identified.
Are they letting you near the construction, or are you just zoomed in from further back?

When work is ongoing I do not venture on site or even attempt to do so. Because of safety regulations, the construction crews are hyper-vigilant to any on-site intrusion and deal with it promptly. Trust me, I know. In any photos that depict actual construction work, I'm significantly off-site often using a telephoto lens. On Sundays and on holidays, when no active work is occurring, sometimes I'll mosey around a construction site, but I don't overdo it. I'm careful. I don't touch anything. Two of the three pictures above were taken from a mound of earth a little inside the construction zone. Though it may seem I'm right in the middle of things, that's not really the case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on July 05, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
The I-69 extension through southern Indiana has seemed to gone radio-dark.  Any updates or pictures of I-69 construction between Martinsville and Indianapolis as of late?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 05, 2019, 11:58:51 PM
Someone will have to provide the pictures, but this is just a quiet year in terms of construction activity. The bulk of this year's work is just road projects around Martinsville to prepare that city for the eventual closure of SR 37 through the city for conversion into I-69. I know I've seen some tree clearing going on around the highway just north of Martinsville. For those in Bloomington I can see it as a nice break from having to put up with construction over the past few years, a lull in the action before construction picks up again along SR 37 in the coming years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 08, 2019, 02:29:31 AM
I took a few pictures yesterday of the construction underway in Martinsville, Indiana. Even though it was a wet June, decent progress has been made. As many of you know, the bulk of the work currently underway involves the new overpass and associated bridge that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over State Road 37 (future I-69) and Sartor Ditch. Work is also ongoing on the new the local roadway – Artesian Avenue – which will run between Mahalasville Rd. to Grand Valley Blvd., as well as the extensions of Grand Valley Blvd. – west to South Street in Martinsville proper and east to Cramertown Loop.

Without further adieu, let's go the pics. Photos were taken Sunday, July 7, 2019. Remember to expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

South Street/Grand Valley Blvd. work zone at Sartor Ditch, Martinsville, Indiana
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The bridge that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over Sartor Ditch in Martinsville, Indiana; looking east.

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Closer look of the bridge beams; looking east.

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Another perspective of the bridge that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over Sartor Ditch; looking south.

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The work zone and equipment, with State Road 37 in the background. There's been some issues with people, mainly Martinsville High School students, entering the construction zone to cross SR 37 at the Grand Valley Blvd. intersection. Hence the "Do Not Cross" sign.

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Another look at the work zone; looking east.

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The perspective looking east from South Street.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 08, 2019, 03:10:02 AM
Here's a few more. Again, the photos were taken Sunday, July 7, 2019.

South Street/Grand Valley Blvd. work zone at Sartor Ditch, Martinsville, Indiana
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The shared use path that will connect Martinsville High School to the bridge carrying Grand Valley Blvd. over Sartor Ditch; looking south. The empty space will be filled in, creating an elevated path that will rise to meet the bridge. Just off to the right is Sartor Ditch.

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MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) walls are being constructed to support the elevated shared use path. Sartor Ditch is to the left, and Martinsville High School is in the background.

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Slightly different perspective of the western MSE wall of the shared use path, which will rise to the bridge over Sartor Ditch (piles, background); looking south.

State Road 37

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Looking south toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from near the SR 37/SR 252 intersection. Construction has commenced on the abutments for the overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over SR 37.

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Another view looking south toward SR 37 from the SR 37/SR 252 intersection.

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And here's the view without the telephoto lens.

That's all for now. It's almost exactly three months to the day when the main contract for Segment 1, Section 6 – aka the Martinsville segment – is to be let. That will kick off 4-5 years of intense construction on SR 37, with the aim of completing the entirety of Section 6 sometime in 2024.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on July 09, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
Thanks for the photos ITB!  What are the current dates given for the closure of 37 around Martinsville?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 10, 2019, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 09, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
Thanks for the photos ITB!  What are the current dates given for the closure of 37 around Martinsville?

Plans just went to final tracings a few weeks ago, I think it will be bid by the end of the year.  I think the closure will be 2021?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 18, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
May 2019 Google Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2427341,-86.470031,68357m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) imagery added along the entirety of Section 5 showing it in its completed form, no longer under construction unlike the previous 2018 imagery.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on July 18, 2019, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 18, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
May 2019 Google Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2427341,-86.470031,68357m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) imagery added along the entirety of Section 5 showing it in its completed form, no longer under construction unlike the previous 2018 imagery.
Not fully completed. It still shows at-grades on the Aerials; Sample Rd Interchange is still under construction; so is Kinser Pike; Tapp Rd is certainly not completed, nor is Fullerton Pike. So it can't be all 2019 imagery.

The Northern part of Section 5/just south of Martinsville, does appear to be newer imagery, showing completion and full grade separation
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 18, 2019, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 18, 2019, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 18, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
May 2019 Google Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2427341,-86.470031,68357m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) imagery added along the entirety of Section 5 showing it in its completed form, no longer under construction unlike the previous 2018 imagery.
Not fully completed. It still shows at-grades on the Aerials; Sample Rd Interchange is still under construction; so is Kinser Pike; Tapp Rd is certainly not completed, nor is Fullerton Pike. So it can't be all 2019 imagery.

The Northern part of Section 5/just south of Martinsville, does appear to be newer imagery, showing completion and full grade separation
The aerial imagery is mostly outdated, but the Google Street View imagery is fully updated as of May 2019.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on July 18, 2019, 11:18:36 PM
Don't mind me...I brainfarted and momentarily forgot GSV and Google Aerial views are different animals...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 19, 2019, 08:23:04 AM
The aerial photography for Bloomington always seems to be two years behind while the Indianapolis metro area gets updated once a year it seems.

As a side note, a few weeks ago I was in Bloomington and I was able to get an updated county highway map that does feature I-69 and all the exits and overpasses, the only thing missing were the exit numbers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
37 will not be signed on the Martinsville segment. Looks like 37 will be decommissioned between the 2 splits with 69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 14, 2019, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
37 will not be signed on the Martinsville segment. Looks like 37 will be decommissioned between the 2 splits with 69.

May I ask where you got this information from?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 14, 2019, 10:05:38 AM
Let's just say a little birdie told me
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 16, 2019, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 14, 2019, 10:05:38 AM
Let's just say a little birdie told me

That's probably not the official answer, but I wouldn't be surprised that INDOT decommissions SR-37 between I-465 and the split with I-69 at Bloomington, given the state's track record of decommissioning state routes where they overlap an interstate or upgraded US route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 16, 2019, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 16, 2019, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 14, 2019, 10:05:38 AM
Let's just say a little birdie told me

That's probably not the official answer, but I wouldn't be surprised that INDOT decommissions SR-37 between I-465 and the split with I-69 at Bloomington, given the state's track record of decommissioning state routes where they overlap an interstate or upgraded US route.
Why not from Exit 205?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 17, 2019, 08:56:36 AM
It's definitely true. I asked the sign plan designer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on August 17, 2019, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
37 will not be signed on the Martinsville segment. Looks like 37 will be decommissioned between the 2 splits with 69.
BOO!

I'll trade INDOT that, if they agree to apply for I-67 for US 31 north of I-465. Can't let those usurpers in NC get the drop on us!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 17, 2019, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 17, 2019, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
37 will not be signed on the Martinsville segment. Looks like 37 will be decommissioned between the 2 splits with 69.
BOO!

I'll trade INDOT that, if they agree to apply for I-67 for US 31 north of I-465. Can't let those usurpers in NC get the drop on us!

Last I read on the US-31 work from Indy to South Bend is that INDOT is not planning a full upgrade to interstate stamdards, although they will be upgrading 31 so it will be non-stop from I-465 to where the current freeway starts at US-30. Major intersections will be converted to interchanges, but some of the minor ones and some farm and business accesses will remain, maybe with RIRO access only.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 17, 2019, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 16, 2019, 10:43:54 PM
Why not from Exit 205?

SR 37 will almost certainly be split up from Exit 205 to the north. Which would leave SR 37 in THREE sections: Tell City to Bloomington, Fishers to Marion and Fort Wayne to Ohio.

I know it's inevitable and par the course for INDOT, but why exactly does SR 37 have to be decommissioned? The state is obviously still maintaining all the roadways that SR 37 would follow along I-69. There's no mileage issues either. It just seems like something that wouldn't hurt anything. If nothing else, the 37 name should stay on for an intern period to allow for people and maps to get used to I-69 before eliminating SR 37 along that stretch.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Nacho on August 18, 2019, 01:53:04 AM
I had figured 37's days on that whole stretch were numbered given INDOT's tendencies. I'll certainly miss it as throughout my childhood taking 37 to Indy was the first part of most roadtrips but I get it. The 37 designation won't really serve that much purpose on that whole stretch, which is more than I can say about some of their decommissioning/rerouting decisions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on August 22, 2019, 10:34:43 AM
Any new pictures, ITB?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on August 22, 2019, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Nacho on August 18, 2019, 01:53:04 AM
I had figured 37's days on that whole stretch were numbered given INDOT's tendencies. I'll certainly miss it as throughout my childhood taking 37 to Indy was the first part of most roadtrips but I get it. The 37 designation won't really serve that much purpose on that whole stretch, which is more than I can say about some of their decommissioning/rerouting decisions.

Yeah, to me, co-signing the entire road from Bloomington to the split in Fishers/Noblesville will just confuse people and serves no purpose.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on August 22, 2019, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: thefro on August 22, 2019, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Nacho on August 18, 2019, 01:53:04 AM
I had figured 37's days on that whole stretch were numbered given INDOT's tendencies. I'll certainly miss it as throughout my childhood taking 37 to Indy was the first part of most roadtrips but I get it. The 37 designation won't really serve that much purpose on that whole stretch, which is more than I can say about some of their decommissioning/rerouting decisions.

Yeah, to me, co-signing the entire road from Bloomington to the split in Fishers/Noblesville will just confuse people and serves no purpose.
Couldn't they keep the designation, but leave it unsigned? No confusing road signs, and no gaps. (37 would exit at the Epler interchange and follow what remains of its original pre-69 routing.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 22, 2019, 08:14:19 PM
Nah they're going to decomission that when the interchange is done. I can't remember what the designer said but I believe indot wanted it signed but the feds said don't. Don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MNHighwayMan on August 22, 2019, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 22, 2019, 08:14:19 PM
Nah they're going to decomission that when the interchange is done. I can't remember what the designer said but I believe indot wanted it signed but the feds said don't. Don't quote me on that.

They have no authority to dictate that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 23, 2019, 11:46:28 AM
Checked in again, and it was an INDOT decision. Not surprised in this. No need for 37 to exist anymore on the overlap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on August 23, 2019, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 23, 2019, 11:46:28 AM
Checked in again, and it was an INDOT decision. Not surprised in this. No need for 37 to exist anymore on the overlap.

If they sign SR 37 on that last mile along the curve over Harding St from the new I-69 routing to I-465, it would encourage people to use it as a "shortcut" or "alternate route" rather than staying on 69 to 465.  Which is NOT a good idea, hence why I think INDOT would remove it.

The northern-Ft Wayne to Ohio segment should go back to part of SR 14.  Or utilize SR 214, which I think demotes it appropriately and suggests its connection to OH SR 2.  Coincidentally or not, OH doesn't have an SR 214, so if they want to truncate SR 2 somewhere along the way and "demote" the lesser western end of SR 2 from Stryker OH, and eliminate those duplexes from there to Williams Center OH, they could create a MSR 214.

The middle branch northern end from Exit 205 to Marion should take advantage of the grid-appropriate SR 21 being available.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 23, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
INDOT is not going to renumber a highway due to 1) the expense and 2) the confusion to drivers.  There are plenty of route numbers with multiple segments so 37 won't be any different.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on August 25, 2019, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 23, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
INDOT is not going to renumber a highway due to 1) the expense and 2) the confusion to drivers.  There are plenty of route numbers with multiple segments so 37 won't be any different.

Look, I get that.  Just because they SHOULD do a thing, doesn't mean they WILL do a thing.
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But if you know the history, they've changed route numbers PLENTY of times.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 25, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: sturmde on August 23, 2019, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 23, 2019, 11:46:28 AM
Checked in again, and it was an INDOT decision. Not surprised in this. No need for 37 to exist anymore on the overlap.

The northern-Ft Wayne to Ohio segment should go back to part of SR 14.


IIRC, SR-37 from Fort Wayne to the Ohio line was never part of SR-14.  Back before I-469 was built in the late '80s, SR-14 used to run through downtown Fort Wayne, and then continued east on what is now Dawkins Road and ended at the Ohio state line and connected to Ohio Route 613 in the village of Edgerton. That's about 10 miles south of where SR-37 runs today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on August 25, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
37 was originally 14. When 37 was extended to Ohio, 14 was moved south to replace 230.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 25, 2019, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 25, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
37 was originally 14. When 37 was extended to Ohio, 14 was moved south to replace 230.
How long ago was that? To date myself, I lived on SR-37 just outside of Harlan in the early 1980s, and at that time 37 was where it is today and 14 followed Dawkins Road to Edgerton.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on August 26, 2019, 12:08:53 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 25, 2019, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 25, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
37 was originally 14. When 37 was extended to Ohio, 14 was moved south to replace 230.
How long ago was that? To date myself, I lived on SR-37 just outside of Harlan in the early 1980s, and at that time 37 was where it is today and 14 followed Dawkins Road to Edgerton.

According to my 1937 map, SR 37 did not go north of Indy. SR 13 went through Noblesville, and Elwood, then north towards Wabash.  There was no direct road between Elwood and Marion. SR 14 did run the alignment out of Ft. Wayne to Hicksville. SR 230 was the alignment from New Haven to Edgerton.

As of my 1954 map, SR 37 was in its present alignment from Indy through Noblesville, Elwood, Marion, co-signed with SR 9 to Huntington, co-signed with US 24 to Ft. Wayne, and then marked on the old SR 14 alignment to Hicksville. SR 14 was running on the Edgerton alignment at that time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 26, 2019, 08:01:20 AM
Quote from: sturmde on August 25, 2019, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 23, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
INDOT is not going to renumber a highway due to 1) the expense and 2) the confusion to drivers.  There are plenty of route numbers with multiple segments so 37 won't be any different.

Look, I get that.  Just because they SHOULD do a thing, doesn't mean they WILL do a thing.
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But if you know the history, they've changed route numbers PLENTY of times.

Not anytime recently.  Some routes have been truncated/decommissioned/rerouted, but a route hasn't had a number change since at least before I was born.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 26, 2019, 10:02:03 AM
What about US 31 in Kokomo and St. Joseph County being renumbered as State Road 931?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 26, 2019, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 26, 2019, 10:02:03 AM
What about US 31 in Kokomo and St. Joseph County being renumbered as State Road 931?
I've read that that portion of 931 was taken over by St. Joseph county recently. I think it will be decomissioned after a big project is completed on it in the coming years. (Road won't change much, just resurfacing, curb ramp replacements, and pipe replacements, and other minor improvements)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 26, 2019, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on August 26, 2019, 12:08:53 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 25, 2019, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 25, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
37 was originally 14. When 37 was extended to Ohio, 14 was moved south to replace 230.
How long ago was that? To date myself, I lived on SR-37 just outside of Harlan in the early 1980s, and at that time 37 was where it is today and 14 followed Dawkins Road to Edgerton.

According to my 1937 map, SR 37 did not go north of Indy. SR 13 went through Noblesville, and Elwood, then north towards Wabash.  There was no direct road between Elwood and Marion. SR 14 did run the alignment out of Ft. Wayne to Hicksville. SR 230 was the alignment from New Haven to Edgerton.

As of my 1954 map, SR 37 was in its present alignment from Indy through Noblesville, Elwood, Marion, co-signed with SR 9 to Huntington, co-signed with US 24 to Ft. Wayne, and then marked on the old SR 14 alignment to Hicksville. SR 14 was running on the Edgerton alignment at that time.

Instead of reverting the Ft Wayne to Ohio section of SR-37 to SR-14, someone could make a better argument for INDOT to hand this section over to Allen County and revert the road to its pre-state road name, Maysville Pike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 26, 2019, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 26, 2019, 10:02:03 AM
What about US 31 in Kokomo and St. Joseph County being renumbered as State Road 931?

That was a US route being rerouted and the old alignment given a state route number.  I meant (though I didn't say) a state route hasn't been renumbered as another route in quite a long time.  It's not going to happen.  People are too used to the number as it is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on August 26, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
SR 75 in Spencer County became US 231 in 1954 (but kept the 75 number until the late '70s) and then was renumbered as SR 161 in 2002.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 27, 2019, 07:44:50 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 26, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
SR 75 in Spencer County became US 231 in 1954 (but kept the 75 number until the late '70s) and then was renumbered as SR 161 in 2002.

That's still a case of 40 years from being known as one state route number to another, not going directly from one to another.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 27, 2019, 12:54:43 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on August 26, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
SR 75 in Spencer County became US 231 in 1954 (but kept the 75 number until the late '70s) and then was renumbered as SR 161 in 2002.
Are you sure it wasn't SR 45?  IN-45 went through Rockport at one time after splitting with US 231 on the north side of Rockport, and then met up with it again in Patronville.  IN-45 was co-signed with US-231 form it's split in Scotland.

OK, I just checked my old 1959 map, and I see IN-75 on the stretch between Reo and Owensboro.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on August 27, 2019, 05:35:20 PM
going off on a tangent here
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on August 27, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Given that IN has that system in place with a mileage cap on signed highways, decommissioning IN 37 along I-69 is not exactly a surprise.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 27, 2019, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Given that IN has that system in place with a mileage cap on signed highways, decommissioning IN 37 along I-69 is not exactly a surprise.

Would there be any usefulness in redesignating IN-37 as US-37?  It would appear to fit nicely into the US route grid.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 27, 2019, 11:34:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 27, 2019, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Given that IN has that system in place with a mileage cap on signed highways, decommissioning IN 37 along I-69 is not exactly a surprise.

Would there be any usefulness in redesignating IN-37 as US-37?  It would appear to fit nicely into the US route grid.

No, because other than the 4-lane stretch between Bloomington and Mitchell, it's now a secondary road.  I-69, once finished between Martinsville and Indy, replaces it as the major highway between southern Indiana and Ohio in its entirety.

If that were ever to happen, it would have been done in the 1920s or '30s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 28, 2019, 01:41:25 PM
I-69 Martinsville is up for bids today!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NE2 on August 28, 2019, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Given that IN has that system in place with a mileage cap on signed highways, decommissioning IN 37 along I-69 is not exactly a surprise.
Wat.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on August 28, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 28, 2019, 01:41:25 PM
I-69 Martinsville is up for bids today!
I thought this already started construction? Was it a different part?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 28, 2019, 04:56:25 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 28, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 28, 2019, 01:41:25 PM
I-69 Martinsville is up for bids today!
I thought this already started construction? Was it a different part?

Segment 1 of Section 6 – that is, the "Martinsville" segment – was divided into two contracts. The first, comprised of new local roads and an overpass carrying Grand Valley Blvd. over SR 37, is under construction. The second, the big contract encompassing the mainline and interchanges, will be let October 9, 2019. Today, INDOT officially announced that contract is now open for bids.

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Completion date: May 31, 2023. Hmm.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 28, 2019, 05:41:26 PM

INDOT has updated its Eighteen Month Letting List. Several new Section 6 contracts have been listed with lettings in 2020.

INDOT Eighteen Month Letting List(July 2019 through December 2020) Updated: August 15, 2019 (Link below)

INTERSTATE 69 Contracts

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Link: INDOT Eighteen Month Letting List Search: https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/default.aspx?view=contractor  Note: To search I-69 projects, select PR 69 under the Select Roads column.
 
Map – Section 6

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on August 28, 2019, 07:19:58 PM
How's construction on the Grand Valley Blvd bridge progressing?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 28, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
I just drove by there today, the approach from the west side of the bridge, near Martinsville High School is coming up and there's plenty of earth moved around the site, but no bridge supports elsewhere nor bridge deck made. So unless you looked really closely you can't see a bridge yet. The rest of Section 5 though is a sight to see in terms of interstate, traffic looks to be finally going interstate speed limits along that highway (they felt slow the last time I went through there, maybe it was just me though.)

I was happy to see the contact up for the Martinsville segment, I was looking at the signage plans for that stretch of road. Some observations:

-Three new exit numbers: Exit 137-SR 39, Exit 138-Ohio St/Mahalasville Rd, and Exit 140 SR 44/252

-For Exit 137, there's no mention of SR 39 going to SR 67 like there is today

-For Exit 140, the exit is signed only with the highway shields and Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive. There is no mention of 252 going to Morgantown and 44 going to Franklin like there is today. Even an auxiliary sign would be nice.

-Control cities are clearly Indianapolis and Evansville, also there is no mention of SR 37 at all

-Also there are distance signs both north and south of Martinsville. Distances to Liberty Church Road, Bloomington and Evansville going south, distances to Henderson Ford Road and Indianapolis going north.

-The signage style is similar to that of Section 5, which to me is the best signed part of the entire interstate extension. I hope they eventually add some mileage signs on the rest of the highway south to Evansville plus add the Indianapolis control city for northbound I-69 signs. I'm probably a little obsessive over this point but I really wish the rest of I-69 were up to snuff like Section 5 is. Except for those godawful blue mile markers.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 12:51:11 AM
Looking at the project list above, I noticed that the I-69/I-465 interchange is not yet listed.  I'm guessing that they are either listing that interchange as an I-465 project along with other future contract lettings to rebuild and widen the southern leg of I-465, or the interchange project is out beyond 18 months?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 29, 2019, 02:26:13 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 12:51:11 AM
Looking at the project list above, I noticed that the I-69/I-465 interchange is not yet listed.  I'm guessing that they are either listing that interchange as an I-465 project along with other future contract lettings to rebuild and widen the southern leg of I-465, or the interchange project is out beyond 18 months?

It appears the contract for I-69/I-465 interchange project, along with the added travel lanes and improvements to I-465 between Mann Road and East Street, will be let early in 2021. That's just a guess. But as INDOT has been tasked with getting Section 6 completed by 2024/25, they have to get moving on the I-69/I-465 project sooner rather than later, as it will be a complex build, undoubtedly, which may take upwards of 30 to 36 months to reach substantial completion. That's another guess-estimate on my part, and I'm no expert, so bear that in mind.

Design of the I-69/I-465 Interchange


(https://live.staticflickr.com/4384/37036928836_3506ed8f08_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 29, 2019, 06:13:21 AM
That interchange isn't even close to being done with design, that's why it's not showing up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on August 29, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
I would love it if in the excavation work they find remnants from the Central Canal.  It was dug and watered as far as Waverly/Port Royal before Indiana went broke.

It was abandoned shortly after in 1870. Filled in in certain places, railroads built on the towpath or left to silt over. But many of the wooden locks were simply left behind.

The Indiana Railroad is on top of it south of the metro where it used to come down Missouri Street, but it had its own path the rest of the way.

Port Royal doesn't exist anymore, but it was considered to be the state capitol. Waverly was a big grain processing center and it was hoped the canal would move that grain to Indianapolis.

You just never know what I-69 might uncover. I had emailed the I-69 project manager to look out for a lost cemetery where I-69 crosses the Patoka River. Many Irish canal workers for the Wabash & Erie died of typhoid while digging in the Patoka swamps.  Many were unmarked mass graves with lime thrown on top to stop the disease from spreading.  You can still see the Wabash & Erie canal just north of mile marker 37.5 on the east side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 29, 2019, 06:13:21 AM
That interchange isn't even close to being done with design, that's why it's not showing up.

With that, I find it doubtful that the I-69/I-465 interchamge will be completed by 2024. To get it built in that time, the interchange contract should be ready to let either this year or next at the very latest. So maybe 2027 we'll see I-69 fully done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on August 29, 2019, 05:20:04 PM
Will the interchange project be design-build? There is still time to have this completed in 5 yrs if there are no complications
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 29, 2019, 05:23:02 PM
No it's not
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 30, 2019, 06:03:03 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 29, 2019, 06:13:21 AM
That interchange isn't even close to being done with design, that's why it's not showing up.

With that, I find it doubtful that the I-69/I-465 interchamge will be completed by 2024. To get it built in that time, the interchange contract should be ready to let either this year or next at the very latest. So maybe 2027 we'll see I-69 fully done.

2027? Nah. In all likelihood, the I-69/I-465 interchange project will let early in 2021, with work getting underway soon afterwards. That will provide more than enough time to get the interchange and associated projects completed by 2025. Generally, state road projects in Indiana are completed on time and within budget. There are blips, of course, and not every project goes smoothly. Sometimes contractors screw up or under perform. INDOT got zinged on the Section 5 3P deal. But the department, in a testy mood, firmly retook control and brought in heavyweight Walsh Construction to straighten things out, which it did, completing the project in short order. While there may be a hiccup or two, INDOT undoubtedly will go the extra mile to ensure Section 6 proceeds smoothly. And it's a good bet, too, Walsh will be heavily involved in building major parts of Section 6.

Quote from: Ryctor2018 on August 29, 2019, 05:20:04 PM
Will the interchange project be design-build? There is still time to have this completed in 5 yrs if there are no complications

As Silverback noted, it's not. Everything appears to be proceeding normally with the design process and the letting of contracts. One major contact will be let in 2019, followed by three in 2020. Another three or four will follow in 2021. That should do it for contracts. In the spring of 2020, full blown construction on the Martinsville segment will be underway. By summer, several new overpasses in Morgan County will be under construction. And by the spring of 2021, extensive work will be ongoing at several locations along the 26 miles of Section 6. Then comes the year 2022, when virtually the entire route, to one degree or another, will be under construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 30, 2019, 07:54:09 AM
Quote from: ITB on August 30, 2019, 06:03:03 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 29, 2019, 06:13:21 AM
That interchange isn't even close to being done with design, that's why it's not showing up.

With that, I find it doubtful that the I-69/I-465 interchamge will be completed by 2024. To get it built in that time, the interchange contract should be ready to let either this year or next at the very latest. So maybe 2027 we'll see I-69 fully done.

2027? Nah. In all likelihood, the I-69/I-465 interchange project will let early in 2021, with work getting underway soon afterwards. That will provide more than enough time to get the interchange and associated projects completed by 2025. Generally, state road projects in Indiana are completed on time and within budget. There are blips, of course, and not every project goes smoothly. Sometimes contractors screw up or under perform. INDOT got zinged on the Section 5 3P deal. But the department, in a testy mood, firmly retook control and brought in heavyweight Walsh Construction to straighten things out, which it did, completing the project in short order. While there may be a hiccup or two, INDOT undoubtedly will go the extra mile to ensure Section 6 proceeds smoothly. And it's a good bet, too, Walsh will be heavily involved in building major parts of Section 6.

Quote from: Ryctor2018 on August 29, 2019, 05:20:04 PM
Will the interchange project be design-build? There is still time to have this completed in 5 yrs if there are no complications

As Silverback noted, it's not. Everything appears to be proceeding normally with the design process and the letting of contracts. One major contact will be let in 2019, followed by three in 2020. Another three or four will follow in 2021. That should do it for contracts. In the spring of 2020, full blown construction on the Martinsville segment will be underway. By summer, several new overpasses in Morgan County will be under construction. And by the spring of 2021, extensive work will be ongoing at several locations along the 26 miles of Section 6. Then comes the year 2022, when virtually the entire route, to one degree or another, will be under construction.

i believe the whole thing will be done by like 2023ish I can't remember the specific year.  I believe next year a tree clearing contract will be let.  I know a sign contract for 465 will happen near the end to sign 69 on 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 30, 2019, 09:18:19 AM
Has INDOT decided on which section of I-465 that I-69 will follow: north/west leg, or south/east leg?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 30, 2019, 09:36:01 AM
I don't know if it's ever been officially confirmed but it will very likely follow the south/east leg. The same stretch that SR 37 currently follows. Of course to most of us in Indy it will still just be 465. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hoosierguy on August 30, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
So part of 465 will carry two interstates in a few years- 69 and 74. Is there a comparable setup somewhere else in the country? Not that I know of.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 30, 2019, 09:51:14 AM
Milwaukee as I-894, I-41 and I-43 on its southern leg.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 30, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 30, 2019, 09:51:14 AM
Milwaukee as I-894, I-41 and I-43 on its southern leg.

And 39, 90, 94...

https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-039-090-094-north-wi/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FightingIrish on August 30, 2019, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 27, 2019, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Given that IN has that system in place with a mileage cap on signed highways, decommissioning IN 37 along I-69 is not exactly a surprise.

Would there be any usefulness in redesignating IN-37 as US-37?  It would appear to fit nicely into the US route grid.
US routes are still basically state routes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on August 30, 2019, 12:32:20 PM
Curious question speaking of the upcoming decommissioning of SR 37 along I-69. Why does SR 67 get to be multiplexed along I-465, US 36, SR 9 and then I-69 from the southwest side of Indianapolis up to Daleville? I'm just curious, INDOT could honestly make SR 67 two different segments: Vincennes to Indy and Daleville to Ohio.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on August 30, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 30, 2019, 09:51:14 AM
Milwaukee as I-894, I-41 and I-43 on its southern leg.
The Poplar Street Bridge across the Mississippi from E St Louis to St Louis used to carry I-70, I-64, and I-55. I-70 has since been rerouted onto the newer Stan Musial Bridge, slightly upriver
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 30, 2019, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 30, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 30, 2019, 09:51:14 AM
Milwaukee as I-894, I-41 and I-43 on its southern leg.
The Poplar Street Bridge across the Mississippi from E St Louis to St Louis used to carry I-70, I-64, and I-55. I-70 has since been rerouted onto the newer Stan Musial Bridge, slightly upriver

But the I-41/43/894 thing in Milwaukee is currently the only place where there are two 2DIs and a 3DI on the same roadway.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on August 30, 2019, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 28, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
I just drove by there today, the approach from the west side of the bridge, near Martinsville High School is coming up and there's plenty of earth moved around the site, but no bridge supports elsewhere nor bridge deck made. So unless you looked really closely you can't see a bridge yet. The rest of Section 5 though is a sight to see in terms of interstate, traffic looks to be finally going interstate speed limits along that highway (they felt slow the last time I went through there, maybe it was just me though.)

I was happy to see the contact up for the Martinsville segment, I was looking at the signage plans for that stretch of road. Some observations:

-Three new exit numbers: Exit 137-SR 39, Exit 138-Ohio St/Mahalasville Rd, and Exit 140 SR 44/252

-For Exit 137, there's no mention of SR 39 going to SR 67 like there is today

-For Exit 140, the exit is signed only with the highway shields and Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive. There is no mention of 252 going to Morgantown and 44 going to Franklin like there is today. Even an auxiliary sign would be nice.

-Control cities are clearly Indianapolis and Evansville, also there is no mention of SR 37 at all

-Also there are distance signs both north and south of Martinsville. Distances to Liberty Church Road, Bloomington and Evansville going south, distances to Henderson Ford Road and Indianapolis going north.

-The signage style is similar to that of Section 5, which to me is the best signed part of the entire interstate extension. I hope they eventually add some mileage signs on the rest of the highway south to Evansville plus add the Indianapolis control city for northbound I-69 signs. I'm probably a little obsessive over this point but I really wish the rest of I-69 were up to snuff like Section 5 is. Except for those godawful blue mile markers.
Where did you see the signage plans?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on August 30, 2019, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: hoosierguy on August 30, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
So part of 465 will carry two interstates in a few years- 69 and 74. Is there a comparable setup somewhere else in the country? Not that I know of.
And not only that, both of I-465's junctions at I-70, as well as the southern junction at I-65, will have at least one 2di riding along it: I-69 to the east, and I-74 to the west, not to mention both on the south side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 30, 2019, 10:37:58 PM
Where did you see the signage plans?

Go to the following website: https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/
Then in the spot where you put in the contract number enter 33493
Then click on Find Documents
On the next screen, click on Plan/Drawing Sets
This opens up three "pages" where there's a total of 28 plans/drawing sets, go to page two and select the third one listed and click Select File

This should pull up the file with the signage plans. There's a lot of plans on this site though, you can look up just about every aspect of the construction.

I just noticed something else on the signage plans. It appears that there is a 65 mile per hour speed limit through Martinsville and that speed limits remains north of Martinsville. I wonder if it will be 65 all the way to Indy (or most of the way, before it drops to you know 55?)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
I just noticed something else on the signage plans. It appears that there is a 65 mile per hour speed limit through Martinsville and that speed limits remains north of Martinsville. I wonder if it will be 65 all the way to Indy (or most of the way, before it drops to you know 55?)
I would expect more like 55 mph through Martinsville if the absurdly low 55 mph through Bloomington is any indication.

IMO, I'm fine with 65 mph through Martinsville (and quite frankly they should bump it to 65 mph through Bloomington) though it should bump back to 70 mph north of there. Around Smith Valley is where it could drop to 65 mph and down to 55 mph once it reaches I-465 (though arguably I-465 could be 60 - 65 mph as well, but that's a different topic)

I-65 doesn't drop to 65 mph until it reaches Greenwood, around the same area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 28, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
I just drove by there today, the approach from the west side of the bridge, near Martinsville High School is coming up and there's plenty of earth moved around the site, but no bridge supports elsewhere nor bridge deck made. So unless you looked really closely you can't see a bridge yet. The rest of Section 5 though is a sight to see in terms of interstate, traffic looks to be finally going interstate speed limits along that highway (they felt slow the last time I went through there, maybe it was just me though.)

I was happy to see the contact up for the Martinsville segment, I was looking at the signage plans for that stretch of road. Some observations:

-Three new exit numbers: Exit 137-SR 39, Exit 138-Ohio St/Mahalasville Rd, and Exit 140 SR 44/252

-For Exit 137, there's no mention of SR 39 going to SR 67 like there is today

-For Exit 140, the exit is signed only with the highway shields and Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive. There is no mention of 252 going to Morgantown and 44 going to Franklin like there is today. Even an auxiliary sign would be nice.

-Control cities are clearly Indianapolis and Evansville, also there is no mention of SR 37 at all

-Also there are distance signs both north and south of Martinsville. Distances to Liberty Church Road, Bloomington and Evansville going south, distances to Henderson Ford Road and Indianapolis going north.

-The signage style is similar to that of Section 5, which to me is the best signed part of the entire interstate extension. I hope they eventually add some mileage signs on the rest of the highway south to Evansville plus add the Indianapolis control city for northbound I-69 signs. I'm probably a little obsessive over this point but I really wish the rest of I-69 were up to snuff like Section 5 is. Except for those godawful blue mile markers.
One design aspect I noticed looking at the plans is that this time the truck lanes will be positioned to the right, as per usual. On Section 5, there is a small section where the grade steepens, and all INDOT did was provide a left "passing lane" as opposed to the usual right "truck lane" as they are here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DJStephens on September 01, 2019, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: ITB on August 29, 2019, 02:26:13 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 12:51:11 AM
Looking at the project list above, I noticed that the I-69/I-465 interchange is not yet listed.  I'm guessing that they are either listing that interchange as an I-465 project along with other future contract lettings to rebuild and widen the southern leg of I-465, or the interchange project is out beyond 18 months?

It appears the contract for I-69/I-465 interchange project, along with the added travel lanes and improvements to I-465 between Mann Road and East Street, will be let early in 2021. That's just a guess. But as INDOT has been tasked with getting Section 6 completed by 2024/25, they have to get moving on the I-69/I-465 project sooner rather than later, as it will be a complex build, undoubtedly, which may take upwards of 30 to 36 months to reach substantial completion. That's another guess-estimate on my part, and I'm no expert, so bear that in mind.

Design of the I-69/I-465 Interchange


(https://live.staticflickr.com/4384/37036928836_3506ed8f08_b.jpg)

How deep is that former Quarry?  Would try and find a way to shift that interchange E, both to avoid the residential neighborhood, and to make it more efficient in terms of ramp curvature.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tolbs17 on September 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
^^^^

I would love to see that type of interchange in Greenville, NC that connects from a main highway to a main road... (I'm just saying this because i find it interesting and awesome)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ozarkman417 on September 01, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
^^^^

I would love to see that type of interchange in Greenville, NC that connects from a main highway to a main road... (I'm just saying this because i find it interesting and awesome)
We don't have one in Springfield and I can't think of a place to put one. Our freeway system is quite simplistic.

SM-G965U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tolbs17 on September 01, 2019, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 01, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
^^^^

I would love to see that type of interchange in Greenville, NC that connects from a main highway to a main road... (I'm just saying this because i find it interesting and awesome)
We don't have one in Springfield and I can't think of a place to put one. Our freeway system is quite simplistic.

SM-G965U
Check out https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25371.0 for more of my proposals.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 01, 2019, 07:12:59 PM
Quote from: DJStephens on September 01, 2019, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: ITB on August 29, 2019, 02:26:13 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 29, 2019, 12:51:11 AM
Looking at the project list above, I noticed that the I-69/I-465 interchange is not yet listed.  I'm guessing that they are either listing that interchange as an I-465 project along with other future contract lettings to rebuild and widen the southern leg of I-465, or the interchange project is out beyond 18 months?

It appears the contract for I-69/I-465 interchange project, along with the added travel lanes and improvements to I-465 between Mann Road and East Street, will be let early in 2021. That's just a guess. But as INDOT has been tasked with getting Section 6 completed by 2024/25, they have to get moving on the I-69/I-465 project sooner rather than later, as it will be a complex build, undoubtedly, which may take upwards of 30 to 36 months to reach substantial completion. That's another guess-estimate on my part, and I'm no expert, so bear that in mind.

Design of the I-69/I-465 Interchange


(https://live.staticflickr.com/4384/37036928836_3506ed8f08_b.jpg)

How deep is that former Quarry?  Would try and find a way to shift that interchange E, both to avoid the residential neighborhood, and to make it more efficient in terms of ramp curvature.

Initial plans had I-69 going straight over the quarry, but the design was considered too costly and complex. The interchange design pictured above is final. Construction will commence in 2021.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 01, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
I just noticed something else on the signage plans. It appears that there is a 65 mile per hour speed limit through Martinsville and that speed limits remains north of Martinsville. I wonder if it will be 65 all the way to Indy (or most of the way, before it drops to you know 55?)
I would expect more like 55 mph through Martinsville if the absurdly low 55 mph through Bloomington is any indication.

IMO, I'm fine with 65 mph through Martinsville (and quite frankly they should bump it to 65 mph through Bloomington) though it should bump back to 70 mph north of there. Around Smith Valley is where it could drop to 65 mph and down to 55 mph once it reaches I-465 (though arguably I-465 could be 60 - 65 mph as well, but that's a different topic)

I-65 doesn't drop to 65 mph until it reaches Greenwood, around the same area.

The low 55 mph through Bloomington is a speed trap. Just north of the city near the Kinser Pike overpass, police cruisers are often positioned to nail folks who are heading south on I-69 but don't realize the speed limit has just dropped from 70 mph to 55. At the very least, I-69 should be 60 mph through the Bloomington area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 01, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 01, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
I just noticed something else on the signage plans. It appears that there is a 65 mile per hour speed limit through Martinsville and that speed limits remains north of Martinsville. I wonder if it will be 65 all the way to Indy (or most of the way, before it drops to you know 55?)
I would expect more like 55 mph through Martinsville if the absurdly low 55 mph through Bloomington is any indication.

IMO, I'm fine with 65 mph through Martinsville (and quite frankly they should bump it to 65 mph through Bloomington) though it should bump back to 70 mph north of there. Around Smith Valley is where it could drop to 65 mph and down to 55 mph once it reaches I-465 (though arguably I-465 could be 60 - 65 mph as well, but that's a different topic)

I-65 doesn't drop to 65 mph until it reaches Greenwood, around the same area.

The low 55 mph through Bloomington is a speed trap. Just north of the city near the Kinser Pike overpass, police cruisers are often positioned to nail folks who are heading south on I-69 but don't realize the speed limit has just dropped from 70 mph to 55. At the very least, I-69 should be 60 mph through the Bloomington area.

IMHO, the stretch from Bloomington to I-64 should be 75 mph since traffic is relatively light and the road geometry appears to support the higher posted limit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 01, 2019, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 01, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
IMHO, the stretch from Bloomington to I-64 should be 75 mph since traffic is relatively light and the road geometry appears to support the higher posted limit.
I would first settle for things like Northbound Controls and Destination/Mileage signs

There is a thought out there, that once INDOT (with KYTC for the new Ohio River Bridge) and TDOT get their I-69 segments done to get the Corridor completed, Canadian Border-Memphis, traffic will increase on I-69 south of Indy toward Evansville and Western KY, but we shall see
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
I assume the northbound controls will come when Section 6 is complete. Technically I-69 does not yet travel to Indianapolis so signing it on the signs from Evansville to Bloomington would not be correct. It's like saying I-65 doesn't go to Chicago. SR 37 does however travel to Indianapolis so you see the control city on signs along Section 5 and soon Section 6. And we are using mileage signs on Section 5 and 6 so why not use them on Sections 1 through 4?

A thought on Bloomington. I would admit the the section from Exit 114 to 118 could work for a 55 or a 60 speed limit due to the close spacing between exits. It IS a lot of exits in a relatively short stretch of highway. North of Exit 118 though should at least be 65 to perhaps 70 north of Exit 120. The 55 through that area is criminal.

On one other note, I saw that SR 45 isn't signed along I-69 from Exit 117 to 120. It is at each interchange mentioned but on the mainline itself there are no 45 shields. I had to double check that INDOT hadn't decommissioned SR 45 around Bloomington. It would have course be something they would do but to my knowledge they have not done so.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 01, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
I assume the northbound controls will come when Section 6 is complete. Technically I-69 does not yet travel to Indianapolis so signing it on the signs from Evansville to Bloomington would not be correct. It's like saying I-65 doesn't go to Chicago.
I-65 will probably never enter/extend to Chicago. It is still the Northbound Control from Indy

Plenty of Interstate examples of the I-route not actually reaching its signed Control. Indy should have been signed Northbound from Evansville from Day 1, should be signed now, and certainly should be signed after IN 37/I-69 reopens after it is shut down for the Martinsville upgrade
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 02, 2019, 01:19:28 AM
 
Just came across this.

I-69 Section 6 Construction Staging Chart

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48663007576_4f7ae693e4_b.jpg)

This chart, included in INDOT's 2019 Industry Days Presentation (May 9 and May 14), indicates there will be five construction contracts in total for Section 6. One contract – Contract No. 1 – has already been let, while a second – Contract No. 2 (#33493) – is scheduled to be let October 9, 2019. The final three contracts are to be let in the year 2020.

Poring again over INDOT's Eighteen Month Letting List, it appears all Section 6 construction contracts are scheduled for letting. In an earlier post, I pointed out the I-69/I-465 interchange wasn't listed in the Eighteen Month Letting List. This appears to be incorrect. The contract which is to include the I-69/I-465 interchange – Contract No. 5 (#41536) – is scheduled to be let September 2, 2020, not in 2021, as I noted earlier. Because the listing of Contract No. 5 did not include any of the components of the interchange itself, that is, ramps over I-465, etc., I surmised another contract altogether would be let for the interchange and associated roadways. That assumption was wrong. The reason for the missing contract components, as was noted in another post earlier, is most likely due to the design of the interchange still being underway.

Be that as it may, the important fact to take note of is that Contract No. 5 (#41536) is scheduled to be let in 2020. That means all construction contracts for Section 6 will be let by the end of 2020, paving the way for Section 6 to complete by 2025.

On another note, Contract No. 2 (#33493), to be let October 9, 2019, will allow SR 37 in Martinsville to be completely closed for a period of 12 months.

Although I earnestly try to be accurate with my posts, sometimes information that ends up being posted may or may not be altogether correct. Please be cognizant I am not associated with the I-69 project in any way, nor INDOT, any state contractor, or the State of Indiana. If anyone notices a incorrect or inaccurate assertion or statement of fact in any of my posts, I'd very much appreciate it brought to my attention.

Edit: minor correction



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 02, 2019, 11:16:33 AM
a 55 mph speed limit in a city on an interstate is inexcusable.  that why we all go 70  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 02, 2019, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 28, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
I just drove by there today, the approach from the west side of the bridge, near Martinsville High School is coming up and there's plenty of earth moved around the site, but no bridge supports elsewhere nor bridge deck made. So unless you looked really closely you can't see a bridge yet. The rest of Section 5 though is a sight to see in terms of interstate, traffic looks to be finally going interstate speed limits along that highway (they felt slow the last time I went through there, maybe it was just me though.)

I was happy to see the contact up for the Martinsville segment, I was looking at the signage plans for that stretch of road. Some observations:

-Three new exit numbers: Exit 137-SR 39, Exit 138-Ohio St/Mahalasville Rd, and Exit 140 SR 44/252

-For Exit 137, there's no mention of SR 39 going to SR 67 like there is today

-For Exit 140, the exit is signed only with the highway shields and Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive. There is no mention of 252 going to Morgantown and 44 going to Franklin like there is today. Even an auxiliary sign would be nice.

-Control cities are clearly Indianapolis and Evansville, also there is no mention of SR 37 at all

-Also there are distance signs both north and south of Martinsville. Distances to Liberty Church Road, Bloomington and Evansville going south, distances to Henderson Ford Road and Indianapolis going north.

-The signage style is similar to that of Section 5, which to me is the best signed part of the entire interstate extension. I hope they eventually add some mileage signs on the rest of the highway south to Evansville plus add the Indianapolis control city for northbound I-69 signs. I'm probably a little obsessive over this point but I really wish the rest of I-69 were up to snuff like Section 5 is. Except for those godawful blue mile markers.
One design aspect I noticed looking at the plans is that this time the truck lanes will be positioned to the right, as per usual. On Section 5, there is a small section where the grade steepens, and all INDOT did was provide a left "passing lane" as opposed to the usual right "truck lane" as they are here.

This was added at the last minute by INDOT, a design exception had to be done to accommodate this too as an existing curve has improper sight distance for the left lane due to the proposed jersey barrier.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on September 02, 2019, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 02, 2019, 11:16:33 AM
a 55 mph speed limit in a city on an interstate is inexcusable.  that why we all go 70  :-D
The usual trend on a long-distance 70 mph interstate where it drops to 55 mph then back up to 70 mph seems to be ignoring the fact the speed dropped to begin with. Everybody does 80 mph in the 70 mph zone, everybody does 80 mph in the 55 mph zone, and continues doing 80 mph in the 70 mph zone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 02, 2019, 12:20:45 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 01, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
I assume the northbound controls will come when Section 6 is complete. Technically I-69 does not yet travel to Indianapolis so signing it on the signs from Evansville to Bloomington would not be correct. It's like saying I-65 doesn't go to Chicago.
I-65 will probably never enter/extend to Chicago. It is still the Northbound Control from Indy

Plenty of Interstate examples of the I-route not actually reaching its signed Control. Indy should have been signed Northbound from Evansville from Day 1, should be signed now, and certainly should be signed after IN 37/I-69 reopens after it is shut down for the Martinsville upgrade
The only problem with that (although I would want mileage showing to Indianapolis and showing it as a control city as well) is that during the initial construction phase of Section 6 the Martinsville bypass will be totally closed, so anyone that was not from the area would be searching for a route to either get back on the highway or to Indy (39 to 67).  I'm wondering if they might post the signs after that bypass is reopened.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 02, 2019, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 02, 2019, 11:16:33 AM
a 55 mph speed limit in a city on an interstate is inexcusable.  that why we all go 70  :-D
Try the 50 MPH on I-65 & I-70 downtown. If you drive that in clear & tree-flowing conditions, YOU are the traffic hazard!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 02, 2019, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 02, 2019, 12:20:45 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 01, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 01, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
I assume the northbound controls will come when Section 6 is complete. Technically I-69 does not yet travel to Indianapolis so signing it on the signs from Evansville to Bloomington would not be correct. It's like saying I-65 doesn't go to Chicago.
I-65 will probably never enter/extend to Chicago. It is still the Northbound Control from Indy

Plenty of Interstate examples of the I-route not actually reaching its signed Control. Indy should have been signed Northbound from Evansville from Day 1, should be signed now, and certainly should be signed after IN 37/I-69 reopens after it is shut down for the Martinsville upgrade
The only problem with that (although I would want mileage showing to Indianapolis and showing it as a control city as well) is that during the initial construction phase of Section 6 the Martinsville bypass will be totally closed, so anyone that was not from the area would be searching for a route to either get back on the highway or to Indy (39 to 67).  I'm wondering if they might post the signs after that bypass is reopened.
Understand that bit...

But for I-69 and I-64 traffic around Evansville, Orange Supplemental Signage can be used, directing Indy-bound traffic to continue to use US 41->IN 641->I-70, once IN 37 is shut down/closed, until it reopens as I-69 a year later around Martinsville...BTW that Supplemental Signage should be utilized regardless if Indy is added as the I-69 North Control by then

And it has been a viable Evansville-Indy route since Section 4 was done, and even moreso with Section 5 done

Or just add Bloomington as the Northbound Control and be done with it. Let Indy take over in Bloomington, as it is signed today
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 02, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 02, 2019, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 02, 2019, 11:16:33 AM
a 55 mph speed limit in a city on an interstate is inexcusable.  that why we all go 70  :-D
Try the 50 MPH on I-65 & I-70 downtown. If you drive that in clear & tree-flowing conditions, YOU are the traffic hazard!

:-D that's the only exception, those curves wont allow 70 mph  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 03, 2019, 08:07:13 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 02, 2019, 01:19:28 AM

Just came across this.

I-69 Section 6 Construction Staging Chart

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48663007576_4f7ae693e4_b.jpg)

This chart, included in INDOT's 2019 Industry Days Presentation (May 9 and May 14), indicates there will be five construction contracts in total for Section 6. One contract – Contract No. 1 – has already been let, while a second – Contract No. 2 (#33493) – is scheduled to be let October 9, 2019. The final three contracts are to be let in the year 2020.

Poring again over INDOT's Eighteen Month Letting List, it appears all Section 6 construction contracts are scheduled for letting. In an earlier post, I pointed out the I-69/I-465 interchange wasn't listed in the Eighteen Month Letting List. This appears to be incorrect. The contract which is to include the I-69/I-465 interchange – Contract No. 5 (#41536) – is scheduled to be let September 2, 2020, not in 2021, as I noted earlier. Because the listing of Contract No. 5 did not include any of the components of the interchange itself, that is, ramps over I-465, etc., I surmised another contract altogether would be let for the interchange and associated roadways. That assumption was wrong. The reason for the missing contract components, as was noted in another post earlier, is most likely due to the design of the interchange still being underway.

Be that as it may, the important fact to take note of is that Contract No. 5 (#33493) is scheduled to be let in 2020. That means all construction contracts for Section 6 will be let by the end of 2020, paving the way for Section 6 to complete by 2025.

On another note, Contract No. 2 (#33493), to be let October 9, 2019, will allow SR 37 in Martinsville to be completely closed for a period of 12 months.

Although I earnestly try to be accurate with my posts, sometimes information that ends up being posted may or may not be altogether correct. Please be cognizant I am not associated with the I-69 project in any way, nor INDOT, any state contractor, or the State of Indiana. If anyone notices a incorrect or inaccurate assertion or statement of fact in any of my posts, I'd very much appreciate it brought to my attention.

how are you getting these DES numbers? I'd like to figure out what SR 37 in fishers DES is so I can look up the plans for that project
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 03, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Anyone know where the sign plans are?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MNHighwayMan on September 03, 2019, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 03, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Anyone know where the sign plans are?

Probably in an office somewhere in Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 03, 2019, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 03, 2019, 08:07:13 AM

how are you getting these DES numbers? I'd like to figure out what SR 37 in fishers DES is so I can look up the plans for that project

While I'm not familiar with the DES acronym, I assume you're interested in finding a project's 5-digit contract number. There are two ways to do that:

(1) INDOT Eighteen Month Letting List

https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/default.aspx?view=contractor

The "Select Roads" function works well and will bring up all projects associated with a particular road. Contract numbers for projects are listed in the second column.

(2) INDOT Official Bid Results

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/index.html

INDOT's Official Bid Results list contract numbers, for instance Contract R-39669-B. If a project's letting date is known, search or browse the bid results to find the project, and its associated contract number.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 03, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 03, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Anyone know where the sign plans are?

Sign specs and drawings for a particular project can be accessed under INDOT's documents webpage. You'll need to know the project's 5-digit contract number to search.

https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/

You might have to open and view several Plan/Drawing sets before you find what you're looking for. Someone with experience in looking up sign specs could probably be of more assistance.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 03, 2019, 02:22:57 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 03, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 03, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Anyone know where the sign plans are?

Sign specs and drawings for a particular project can be accessed under INDOT's documents webpage. You'll need to know the project's 5-digit contract number to search.

https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/

You might have to open and view several Plan/Drawing sets before you find what you're looking for. Someone with experience in looking up sign specs could probably be of more assistance.

If you're looking for sign plans for the "Martinsville" segment of Section 6,  I think I found what your looking for. A search of documents for Contract #33493 brings up 28 Plan/Drawing Sets. Among these is Part 1 of 2 1800337 Contract Services. That's the drawings for traffic management, and includes all the signs that will be placed along the route in Martinsville. You'll have to select and download to view those drawings. There are 3 pages for Contract #33493 drawings. Part 1 of 2 1800337 is found on the second page. The page numbers are at the bottom of the results, and are simply enumerated 1, 2 or 3. Click on the number 2.

Here's a short INDOT guide on how to view drawings/contracts:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2019/aug07/view_a_contract.pdf

Edit: added INDOT "view contracts" guide info

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: truejd on September 03, 2019, 03:18:20 PM
Does anyone know what the exit number will be for the I-69, I-465 interchange?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 03, 2019, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 03, 2019, 02:22:57 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 03, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 03, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Anyone know where the sign plans are?

Sign specs and drawings for a particular project can be accessed under INDOT's documents webpage. You'll need to know the project's 5-digit contract number to search.

https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/

You might have to open and view several Plan/Drawing sets before you find what you're looking for. Someone with experience in looking up sign specs could probably be of more assistance.

If you're looking for sign plans for the "Martinsville" segment of Section 6,  I think I found what your looking for. A search of documents for Contract #33493 brings up 28 Plan/Drawing Sets. Among these is Part 1 of 2 1800337 Contract Services. That's the drawings for traffic management, and includes all the signs that will be placed along the route in Martinsville. You'll have to select and download to view those drawings. There are 3 pages for Contract #33493 drawings. Part 1 of 2 1800337 is found on the second page. The page numbers are at the bottom of the results, and are simply enumerated 1, 2 or 3. Click on the number 2.

Here's a short INDOT guide on how to view drawings/contracts:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2019/aug07/view_a_contract.pdf

Edit: added INDOT "view contracts" guide info

DES mean "designation number" it's a number given to every indot project.  very similar to a contract number. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: truejd on September 03, 2019, 03:18:20 PM
Does anyone know what the exit number will be for the I-69, I-465 interchange?

Well, just using a measuring tool from the intersection of SR 37 and SR 44, which will be Exit 140, the I-69/465 interchange will likely be Exit 163 or very close to that number.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 03, 2019, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: truejd on September 03, 2019, 03:18:20 PM
Does anyone know what the exit number will be for the I-69, I-465 interchange?

Well, just using a measuring tool from the intersection of SR 37 and SR 44, which will be Exit 140, the I-69/465 interchange will likely be Exit 163 or very close to that number.

That sounds about right. Published documents on I-69 SIU 3 state that the extension from I-465 to I-64 is 142 miles. Add to that the 21 miles of former I-164, and you have 163 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on September 03, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.
The only solution would be route I-69 on the west side of I-465, which would be 33 miles, which isn't exactly 37 miles, but closer. Granted, other than getting the mileage closer to correct, this route makes just about no sense to actually implement. Nobody would follow it anyways, they'd still take I-465 around the east side. More direct, quicker, etc.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on September 04, 2019, 09:58:14 AM
Well, I-465 is 53 miles long, so I-69's route as proposed would only be 20 miles, and provided the Exit 163 guess holds up, the exits on the original I-69 would have to be renumbered by subtracting 17 from their current numbers. After all this, the total length (including the former I-164) should come out to 340 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefarmerchris on September 04, 2019, 06:21:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 03, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.
The only solution would be route I-69 on the west side of I-465, which would be 33 miles, which isn't exactly 37 miles, but closer. Granted, other than getting the mileage closer to correct, this route makes just about no sense to actually implement. Nobody would follow it anyways, they'd still take I-465 around the east side. More direct, quicker, etc.

Remember too about the Ohio River bridge. How many miles will be cut off of the total amount when that realignment comes into the fold?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on September 04, 2019, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.

If you're traveling along I-465 between the two legs of I-69, you're using the 465's mileposts, and the distance calculation doesn't completely matter.  SO: Kentucky line to the southern leg of the 465 + the concurrency therewith + mileage along the original 69 to the Michigan line = total accumulated state mileage.  Forcing people to actually Do Some Math. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 05, 2019, 02:24:27 PM


Remember too about the Ohio River bridge. How many miles will be cut off of the total amount when that realignment comes into the fold?
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It should be close to a wash.  It will occur close to the 2 mile marker, but then there is over a mile to the river to cross.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on September 05, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.

INDOT did that to lessen possible confusion when all of the MPs and interchange numbers were changed on the existing I-69 northeast of I-465 - just add 200 to each of them.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on September 05, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
Yeah, I think just adding 200 was way easier than renumbering it exactly...I don't think most people will notice or care that it doesn't add up exactly. I guess we'll have to see how many people are driving it end to end and then decide whether or not it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 05, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 05, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
Remember too about the Ohio River bridge. How many miles will be cut off of the total amount when that realignment comes into the fold?
It should be close to a wash.  It will occur close to the 2 mile marker, but then there is over a mile to the river to cross.
[/quote]

Doing a quick measurement based on the latest alternative map for I-69 over the Ohio River. It should be right on it, and that's just if you include the distance to the state line which comes before the river. Worse comes to worse you can tell Kentucky to piss off and count the mileage from the bridge, though it would have to probably be the northern end of the bridge. But it looks as if the mileage will be just about perfect.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 08, 2019, 05:47:28 PM

A few pictures of the construction currently underway in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were taken August 18, 2019, unless otherwise noted.

Section 6, Martinsville, Indiana
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48701595616_cf839d556e_k.jpg)
The construction zone near the intersection of SR 37 and Grand Valley Blvd. in Martinsville, Indiana; looking east. Grand Valley Blvd. will be extended over SR 37 (future I-69) via an overpass to connect with South Street in Martinsville proper.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48701594261_ea5b2edd6b_k.jpg)
Stacks of MSE panels at the construction zone near Martinsville High School in Martinsville, Indiana.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48701591721_5ab68bd811_k.jpg)
The bridge that will carry Grand Valley Blvd./South Street over Sartor Ditch, and the Martinsville High School connecting multi-use access path (left); looking south

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48701249773_370f92b718_k.jpg)
Another perspective of the construction zone; looking south.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48701586181_02b7143609_k.jpg)
Closer look at the construction zone; looking east. SR 37 is the road pictured. Work to now underway to construct the median bent for the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass (background; yellow excavator).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on September 12, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
A small bit of news: https://www.hoosiertimes.com/reporter_times/free_access/grand-valley-ind-intersection-expected-to-permanently-close-saturday/article_5c79cb06-877d-502f-965e-c1347078546d.html

"The Indiana Department of Transportation is expected to close the intersection of Ind. 37 and Grand Valley Boulevard early Saturday morning."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on September 12, 2019, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on September 12, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
A small bit of news: https://www.hoosiertimes.com/reporter_times/free_access/grand-valley-ind-intersection-expected-to-permanently-close-saturday/article_5c79cb06-877d-502f-965e-c1347078546d.html

"The Indiana Department of Transportation is expected to close the intersection of Ind. 37 and Grand Valley Boulevard early Saturday morning."
So Artesian Avenue is done and open to traffic? (In other words, can I take the construction tag off of it on OpenStreetMap?)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 13, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 05, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.

INDOT did that to lessen possible confusion when all of the MPs and interchange numbers were changed on the existing I-69 northeast of I-465 - just add 200 to each of them.

Mike
Exactly, Mike.

BTW, this is why I objected to the entire "southern extension" project being called I-69 in the first place. The Indy to Evansville to Memphis portion SHOULD HAVE been designated as I-63, with sections further south and west being assigned appropriate  numbers that fit into the original grid. And yes, the W-E Lansing to Port Huron/Sarnia stretch should not be I-69 either (I-98 would've fit). But that's all water under the (Blue Water) bridge at this point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 13, 2019, 02:24:36 PM
I agree, never thought of that idea but I like it
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on September 16, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 13, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 05, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.

INDOT did that to lessen possible confusion when all of the MPs and interchange numbers were changed on the existing I-69 northeast of I-465 - just add 200 to each of them.

Mike
Exactly, Mike.

BTW, this is why I objected to the entire "southern extension" project being called I-69 in the first place. The Indy to Evansville to Memphis portion SHOULD HAVE been designated as I-63, with sections further south and west being assigned appropriate  numbers that fit into the original grid. And yes, the W-E Lansing to Port Huron/Sarnia stretch should not be I-69 either (I-98 would've fit). But that's all water under the (Blue Water) bridge at this point.
They wanted a single number running border to border. That's why it's all I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on September 16, 2019, 05:40:38 PM
3 questions:
Is Artesian Avenue open to traffic?
Is the east side of Grand Valley Boulevard open to Cramertown Loop?
Is the west side of Grand Valley Boulevard between the future bridge site and SR 37 closed, and if so, is it permanent? (Like "remove from maps" permanent?)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 18, 2019, 03:08:21 AM
Quote from: X99 on September 16, 2019, 05:40:38 PM
3 questions:
Is Artesian Avenue open to traffic?
Is the east side of Grand Valley Boulevard open to Cramertown Loop?
Is the west side of Grand Valley Boulevard between the future bridge site and SR 37 closed, and if so, is it permanent? (Like "remove from maps" permanent?)

Artesian Avenue was opened to traffic on August 30th.

Source: INDOT Section 6 Construction Update (Aug 27) https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/25afe6e

Grand Valley Boulevard most likely is open to Cramertown Loop. I say most likely because I haven't seen an official INDOT notice stating that it is open. That doesn't mean there wasn't one. In early August, INDOT announced a 30-day closure of Cramertown Loop to rebuild a section and to complete the tie-in to Grand Valley Boulevard. Since 42 days have passed since the announced closure date, the tie-in is almost certainly completed.

Source: INDOT Section 6 Traffic Alert (Aug 6) https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/256a657

I'm a little confused by the third question, but maybe the following will provide an answer. As you know, Grand Valley Boulevard is to be extended over SR 37 via an overpass to link into South Street in Martinsville proper. Prior to the recent closure of the SR 37/Grand Valley Boulevard intersection, Grand Valley Blvd. ran only east from that intersection. There is no road signed Grand Valley Blvd. west of SR 37. The road you might be thinking of is South Street. South Street, however, never intersected with SR 37, as it dead ends just prior to Sartor Creek. Currently, construction on a bridge over Sartor Creek is underway that will carry South Street/Grand Valley Blvd. INDOT in its bulletin of Sept 5 calls the bridge over Sartor Creek the "new South Street bridge." Construction of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass over SR 37 has also commenced. The following link has a map that may be useful.

Link: INDOT Section 6 Construction Update (Sept 5) https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/25d4c15

If your reference to the "west" side of Grand Valley Blvd. means the small section of roadway between the current SR 37/Grand Valley Blvd. intersection and the point where the new overpass will tie-in to Grand Valley – that small slice of roadway will be eliminated.

Update: On a rereading of the INDOT Section 6 bulletin of August 27, 2019, I believe it provides the information you seek:

"This closure will allow crews to complete the tie-in of the newly-aligned section of Cramertown Loop to the existing roadway. Once the tie-in is finished, work on Artesian Avenue, Cramertown Loop and the Grand Valley Boulevard extension will be complete and all will be open to traffic. "




Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on September 18, 2019, 01:49:11 PM
You objected to there being a route number that would be the same for a Mexico-to-Canada through route?  Please don't tell me you actually wrote a letter of complaint to AASHTO.

Quote from: SSR_317 on September 13, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 05, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.

INDOT did that to lessen possible confusion when all of the MPs and interchange numbers were changed on the existing I-69 northeast of I-465 - just add 200 to each of them.

Mike
Exactly, Mike.

BTW, this is why I objected to the entire "southern extension" project being called I-69 in the first place. The Indy to Evansville to Memphis portion SHOULD HAVE been designated as I-63, with sections further south and west being assigned appropriate  numbers that fit into the original grid. And yes, the W-E Lansing to Port Huron/Sarnia stretch should not be I-69 either (I-98 would've fit). But that's all water under the (Blue Water) bridge at this point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on September 18, 2019, 02:18:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2019, 03:08:21 AM
Quote from: X99 on September 16, 2019, 05:40:38 PM
3 questions:
Is Artesian Avenue open to traffic?
Is the east side of Grand Valley Boulevard open to Cramertown Loop?
Is the west side of Grand Valley Boulevard between the future bridge site and SR 37 closed, and if so, is it permanent? (Like "remove from maps" permanent?)

Artesian Avenue was opened to traffic on August 30th.

Source: INDOT Section 6 Construction Update (Aug 27) https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/25afe6e

Grand Valley Boulevard most likely is open to Cramertown Loop. I say most likely because I haven't seen an official INDOT notice stating that it is open. That doesn't mean there wasn't one. In early August, INDOT announced a 30-day closure of Cramertown Loop to rebuild a section and to complete the tie-in to Grand Valley Boulevard. Since 42 days have passed since the announced closure date, the tie-in is almost certainly completed.

Source: INDOT Section 6 Traffic Alert (Aug 6) https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/256a657

I'm a little confused by the third question, but maybe the following will provide an answer. As you know, Grand Valley Boulevard is to be extended over SR 37 via an overpass to link into South Street in Martinsville proper. Prior to the recent closure of the SR 37/Grand Valley Boulevard intersection, Grand Valley Blvd. ran only east from that intersection. There is no road signed Grand Valley Blvd. west of SR 37. The road you might be thinking of is South Street. South Street, however, never intersected with SR 37, as it dead ends just prior to Sartor Creek. Currently, construction on a bridge over Sartor Creek is underway that will carry South Street/Grand Valley Blvd. INDOT in its bulletin of Sept 5 calls the bridge over Sartor Creek the "new South Street bridge." Construction of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass over SR 37 has also commenced. The following link has a map that may be useful.

Link: INDOT Section 6 Construction Update (Sept 5) https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/25d4c15

If your reference to the "west" side of Grand Valley Blvd. means the small section of roadway between the current SR 37/Grand Valley Blvd. intersection and the point where the new overpass will tie-in to Grand Valley – that small slice of roadway will be eliminated.

Update: On a rereading of the INDOT Section 6 bulletin of August 27, 2019, I believe it provides the information you seek:

"This closure will allow crews to complete the tie-in of the newly-aligned section of Cramertown Loop to the existing roadway. Once the tie-in is finished, work on Artesian Avenue, Cramertown Loop and the Grand Valley Boulevard extension will be complete and all will be open to traffic. "
okay good, because I already updated OpenStreetMap to match that. I left the old Grand Valley Blvd/IN 37 intersection there, but hidden, just in case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on September 18, 2019, 10:34:57 PM
Is the 465/69 South interchange under construction? It's marked as such on OSM, and I don't think it should be yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 18, 2019, 10:41:04 PM
Nope. It won't be under construction for another couple of years at least.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 19, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
they arent done designing it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ChimpOnTheWheel on September 21, 2019, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: X99 on September 16, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 13, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 05, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 03, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Which is what makes Exit 200 on the northeast side not make sense. It will not be 37 miles around the 465 beltway to connect the two I-69 interchanges. Yeah, making it 200 is easier on those who remember it as 0 and so on. INDOT as usual thinks people will care less about the technicality. It does make it harder if you want to see how long I-69 will be across the state. With most interstates that use mileage-based exits you can look at the last exit and make a guess as to how long. With I-69, it will not be close to 357 miles in length.

INDOT did that to lessen possible confusion when all of the MPs and interchange numbers were changed on the existing I-69 northeast of I-465 - just add 200 to each of them.

Mike
Exactly, Mike.

BTW, this is why I objected to the entire "southern extension" project being called I-69 in the first place. The Indy to Evansville to Memphis portion SHOULD HAVE been designated as I-63, with sections further south and west being assigned appropriate  numbers that fit into the original grid. And yes, the W-E Lansing to Port Huron/Sarnia stretch should not be I-69 either (I-98 would've fit). But that's all water under the (Blue Water) bridge at this point.
They wanted a single number running border to border. That's why it's all I-69.
I-69 makes sense up til Memphis imho. South of Memphis, I would've designated I-69 via I-40 and decommissioned I-30 (east of Texarkana) and I-369's entirety. The current I-69 via Mississippi and all can be I-63. But alas, that's all fictional territory.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on September 28, 2019, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 18, 2019, 10:41:04 PM
Nope. It won't be under construction for another couple of years at least.
Someone likely confused recent construction along I-465 in that vicinity with work on the future I-69 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 28, 2019, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 28, 2019, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 18, 2019, 10:41:04 PM
Nope. It won’t be under construction for another couple of years at least.
Someone likely confused recent construction along I-465 in that vicinity with work on the future I-69 interchange.

INDOT has plans to reconstruct and widen the whole southern leg of I-465. That construction will be happening at the same time they'll be building the new interchange for I-69. Last I heard is the I-69 interchange with I-465 is scheduled to start construction in 2021 with completion scheduled for 2024.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on October 03, 2019, 03:15:46 PM
For those folks in central Indiana later this month (I'm not), INDOT is holding public meetings for section 6 information. https://t.co/EVUkQkWLKl. Three dates this month.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 09, 2019, 02:11:36 PM

Today, October 9th, was the date the bids were to be opened for the mainline Martinsville segment (Contract R -33493-A). Two week ago, however, INDOT withdrew the contract from the letting schedule. No reason was given, but given the size and complexity of the contract it shouldn't be a surprise the letting date has been pushed back. At this time, the letting of Contract R -33493-A has not been rescheduled.

If the contract is let before the end of the year, which will most likely happen, little or no delay in the Martinsville segment's completion date should be expected as construction will still commence, as before, in the spring of 2020. That is, barring any further delays. Additional details about the contract letting and updated construction schedule will likely be provided at the Morgan County I-69 Section 6 Project Update meeting, to be held Monday, October 21 at Martinsville High School.

Link: INDOT Notice of Contract# R -33493-A Letting Withdraw: https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2019/oct09/withdraw%20R-33493-A.PDF
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 09, 2019, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 09, 2019, 02:11:36 PM

Today, October 9th, was the date the bids were to be opened for the mainline Martinsville segment (Contract R -33493-A). Two week ago, however, INDOT withdrew the contract from the letting schedule. No reason was given, but given the size and complexity of the contract it shouldn't be a surprise the letting date has been pushed back. At this time, the letting of Contract R -33493-A has not been rescheduled.

Update. The letting of Contract R-33493-A has been rescheduled for November 14th. Apparently, due to revisions of the contract, INDOT wanted to ensure bidders had enough time to review the changes and adjust their bids, if necessary. So the letting date was pushed out a month.

Link: Indiana Department of Transportation Notice to Highway Contractors (Contract R-33493-A): https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2019/nov14/20191114-R33493A-NTC.PDF

Edit: grammar
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 15, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
Since it looks like I69 will be called exit 163 once it reaches 465 and it will be Exit 5 on 465 and 37 on 465 when 69 goes north. it will be 5 miles that disappear once it reaches Exit 200. It may not be a big deal but I wish they would correct this because the mileage will be incorrect on north 69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on October 15, 2019, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 15, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
Since it looks like I69 will be called exit 163 once it reaches 465 and it will be Exit 5 on 465 and 37 on 465 when 69 goes north. it will be 5 miles that disappear once it reaches Exit 200. It may not be a big deal but I wish they would correct this because the mileage will be incorrect on north 69
Not worth adding just 5 miles onto the exit numbers with all the confusion that would occur IMO. Seems solely a road-geek thing that doesn't affect the motoring public much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 15, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
It's actually more like 16 miles. If you follow the proposed I-69 routing along I-465 on the south and east sides of Indy, as is currently proposed, the mile markers go from 163 on the south side to 184 on the north side. Ergo, current Exit 200 at I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side would really need to be Exit 184.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on October 16, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
It's actually more like 16 miles. If you follow the proposed I-69 routing along I-465 on the south and east sides of Indy, as is currently proposed, the mile markers go from 163 on the south side to 184 on the north side. Ergo, current Exit 200 at I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side would really need to be Exit 184.

While this adjustment would cost INDOT thousands of dollars, the billboard company's would make money over this!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on October 16, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
It's actually more like 16 miles. If you follow the proposed I-69 routing along I-465 on the south and east sides of Indy, as is currently proposed, the mile markers go from 163 on the south side to 184 on the north side. Ergo, current Exit 200 at I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side would really need to be Exit 184.
If I-69's concurrency runs around the northwest side of I-465 instead, that number increases to 195. I also tried to have it follow and replace I-865, but even with a new full interchange at I-65/I-865, it's too long, increasing to 202.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on October 16, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 16, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
It's actually more like 16 miles. If you follow the proposed I-69 routing along I-465 on the south and east sides of Indy, as is currently proposed, the mile markers go from 163 on the south side to 184 on the north side. Ergo, current Exit 200 at I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side would really need to be Exit 184.
If I-69's concurrency runs around the northwest side of I-465 instead, that number increases to 195. I also tried to have it follow and replace I-865, but even with a new full interchange at I-65/I-865, it's too long, increasing to 202.
Seems like a completely out-of-way routing as opposed to the existing direct connection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on October 16, 2019, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 16, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 16, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 15, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
It's actually more like 16 miles. If you follow the proposed I-69 routing along I-465 on the south and east sides of Indy, as is currently proposed, the mile markers go from 163 on the south side to 184 on the north side. Ergo, current Exit 200 at I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side would really need to be Exit 184.
If I-69's concurrency runs around the northwest side of I-465 instead, that number increases to 195. I also tried to have it follow and replace I-865, but even with a new full interchange at I-65/I-865, it's too long, increasing to 202.
Seems like a completely out-of-way routing as opposed to the existing direct connection.
I'm going for less concurrencies here. On I-465,
Between SR 37 and US 31: 4 routes, not counting 37 (since it will be decommissioned), 465 (main route number), or 69 (indeterminate location)
Between US 31 and I-65: 5 routes
Between I-65 and I-74: 5 routes
Between I-74 and US 52: 4 routes
Between US 52 and US 40: 6 routes
Between US 40 and I-70: 5 routes
Between I-70 and US 36: 5 routes
Between US 36 and I-69: 3 routes
Between I-69 and US 31: 3 routes
Between US 31 and US 421: 2 routes
Between US 421 and I-865: 1 route
Between I-865 and I-65: No concurrencies
Between I-65 and I-74/US 136: No concurrencies
Between I-74/US 136 and US 36: 1 route
Between US 36 and US 40: 2 routes
Between US 40 and I-70: 3 routes
Between I-70 and SR 67: 3 routes
Between SR 67 and SR 37: 4 routes

There's sign spaghetti or unsigned routes on the southeast side and almost nothing to sign on the northwest side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on October 20, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Have Gas Stations restaurant's ect started popping up on exits  on the section between Evansville and Blomington?

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on October 20, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 20, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Have Gas Stations restaurant's ect started popping up on exits  on the section between Evansville and Blomington?

SM-G950U
Last time I drove it...buy gas in Evansville, Washington, or Bloomington

I believe a truck stop has popped up at the exit for Crane...maybe the US 231 Exit? Either that or the IN SR 45 Exit...its been a few months since I made that trip. Will do it again around Christmastime, tho

InDOT could help out...like, idk, giving I-69 North an Indy or Bloomington Control, instead of no Control...not quite as attractive to drivers on I-64 when signed with a Shield and Greenout
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: LM117 on October 20, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 20, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 20, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Have Gas Stations restaurant's ect started popping up on exits  on the section between Evansville and Blomington?

SM-G950U
InDOT could help out...like, idk, giving I-69 North an Indy or Bloomington Control, instead of no Control...not quite as attractive to drivers on I-64 when signed with a Shield and Greenout

Using both Bloomington AND Indianapolis would be the way to go, IMO.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on October 20, 2019, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 20, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 20, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Have Gas Stations restaurant's ect started popping up on exits  on the section between Evansville and Blomington?

SM-G950U
Last time I drove it...buy gas in Evansville, Washington, or Bloomington

I believe a truck stop has popped up at the exit for Crane...maybe the US 231 Exit? Either that or the IN SR 45 Exit...its been a few months since I made that trip. Will do it again around Christmastime, tho

That is it. A small truck stop at US 231 and a few at Washington, but you have to drive about a mile to them.

InDOT could help out...like, idk, giving I-69 North an Indy or Bloomington Control, instead of no Control...not quite as attractive to drivers on I-64 when signed with a Shield and Greenout
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on October 20, 2019, 12:29:19 PM
It may be a mile or so from the I-69 exit in Washington, but that Casey's on US 50/150 is fairly new and pretty nice...

Just sayin...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 20, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 16, 2019, 06:02:02 PM
I'm going for less concurrencies here. On I-465,
Between SR 37 and US 31: 4 routes, not counting 37 (since it will be decommissioned), 465 (main route number), or 69 (indeterminate location)

Decommissioned or given a very long secret multiplex with I-69 between Bloomington and Fishers?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on October 20, 2019, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 20, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 16, 2019, 06:02:02 PM
I'm going for less concurrencies here. On I-465,
Between SR 37 and US 31: 4 routes, not counting 37 (since it will be decommissioned), 465 (main route number), or 69 (indeterminate location)

Decommissioned or given a very long secret multiplex with I-69 between Bloomington and Fishers?

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
37 will not be signed on the Martinsville segment. Looks like 37 will be decommissioned between the 2 splits with 69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on October 20, 2019, 07:49:16 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 20, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Have Gas Stations restaurant's ect started popping up on exits  on the section between Evansville and Blomington?

SM-G950U

There is a gas station at exit 87, just off US 231 to the east. There is also a hotel that opened within the past few weeks as well.

At Washington (62), there is currently a Hucks under construction to the west, along US 50 at Gateway Drive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular? 

Also on gas stations, there's one maybe a mile or two east of of the interstate on SR 64 in Oakland City. There's also a station at the intersection of SR 68 and SR 57 about a mile east of Exit 22.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on October 20, 2019, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 20, 2019, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 20, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 16, 2019, 06:02:02 PM
I'm going for less concurrencies here. On I-465,
Between SR 37 and US 31: 4 routes, not counting 37 (since it will be decommissioned), 465 (main route number), or 69 (indeterminate location)

Decommissioned or given a very long secret multiplex with I-69 between Bloomington and Fishers?

Quote from: silverback1065 on August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
37 will not be signed on the Martinsville segment. Looks like 37 will be decommissioned between the 2 splits with 69.

So that'll give IN 3 widely separated sections of IN 37?  One would think that INDOT would seriously consider renumbering the northern two segments, seeing as how they've essentially been truncated beyond recognition as a through route. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 20, 2019, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular?

Maybe not right around the interchange, but it could be a good spot to handle demand when all the hotels at Bloomington are filled, as well as any need for Crane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: sparker on October 20, 2019, 09:27:15 PM
So that'll give IN 3 widely separated sections of IN 37?  One would think that INDOT would seriously consider renumbering the northern two segments, seeing as how they've essentially been truncated beyond recognition as a through route. 

This might go more in the realm of Fictional Highways or just the general Indiana post itself but I was giving this idea some thought a while back. I'd make all of SR 37 from Fishers north to Marion an extension of SR 15. I'd decommission the current SR 15 from Marion to Gas City (a rather small and insignificant segment as it is) and multiplex SR 15 with SR 9 around Marion before both highways resume their regular route. Looking at a map of the state, SR 15 would run from the Michigan line south all the way to the Indianapolis metro area at I-69.

Or, if one really wants to preserve the grid, run SR 15 from Wabash straight south to Elwood along current SR 13, multiplex it with 13 for a few miles south of Elwood and then follow the remainder of the SR 37 route all the way to Fishers with SR 13 resuming its regular course toward Fortville. SR 13 would travel southeast from Wabash to Marion along current SR 15's route and then follow the current SR 37 southwest to Elwood from there.

As for SR 37 northeast of Fort Wayne, I'm not really sure what you could call that, you could use just about anything probably.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on October 20, 2019, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular? 

Also on gas stations, there's one maybe a mile or two east of of the interstate on SR 64 in Oakland City. There's also a station at the intersection of SR 68 and SR 57 about a mile east of Exit 22.

Yea it's about 3/4 mile south of the the interchange, along the east side of US 231. It's a Sleep Inn/Mainstay Suites. The area is very rural, other than Crane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hbelkins on October 21, 2019, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on October 20, 2019, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular? 

Also on gas stations, there's one maybe a mile or two east of of the interstate on SR 64 in Oakland City. There's also a station at the intersection of SR 68 and SR 57 about a mile east of Exit 22.

Yea it's about 3/4 mile south of the the interchange, along the east side of US 231. It's a Sleep Inn/Mainstay Suites. The area is very rural, other than Crane.

Quote from: Revive 755 on October 20, 2019, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular?

Maybe not right around the interchange, but it could be a good spot to handle demand when all the hotels at Bloomington are filled, as well as any need for Crane.

Proximity to Crane might be the reason. There's a Microtel at the Hazleton Road exit on I-68 in West Virginia, which is an extremely rural area. Probably because of the federal prison nearby. And a McDonald's and Sleep Inn were built at the US 50/WV 16 intersection between Parkersburg and Clarksburg, which is also a very rural area. Not sure what the draw there might be, other than the fracking business boom in the area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on October 21, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 21, 2019, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on October 20, 2019, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular? 

Also on gas stations, there's one maybe a mile or two east of of the interstate on SR 64 in Oakland City. There's also a station at the intersection of SR 68 and SR 57 about a mile east of Exit 22.

Yea it's about 3/4 mile south of the the interchange, along the east side of US 231. It's a Sleep Inn/Mainstay Suites. The area is very rural, other than Crane.

Quote from: Revive 755 on October 20, 2019, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 20, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
They got a hotel at US 231 and I-69? Is that area that popular?

Maybe not right around the interchange, but it could be a good spot to handle demand when all the hotels at Bloomington are filled, as well as any need for Crane.

Proximity to Crane might be the reason. There's a Microtel at the Hazleton Road exit on I-68 in West Virginia, which is an extremely rural area. Probably because of the federal prison nearby. And a McDonald's and Sleep Inn were built at the US 50/WV 16 intersection between Parkersburg and Clarksburg, which is also a very rural area. Not sure what the draw there might be, other than the fracking business boom in the area.

Yeah, I'm sure Crane's the primary reason, plus they'll get some overflow business from Bloomington for move-in/graduation at Indiana University, football/basketball games, etc.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on October 21, 2019, 03:48:12 PM
On another note, E&B Paving began a $14 million or so patch and rehab project in September, between I-64 and US 231. They are currently working at US 50 and SR 64. Not sure what SR 64 entails, but at US 50, they are fixing pavement that collapsed/sunk on both NB/SB lanes on the overpass, as well as the NB entrance and SB exit ramps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on October 22, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
New project web site is up:  https://i69finishline.com/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on October 23, 2019, 12:08:14 PM
Is Google Maps ever going to acknowledge the fact that Grand Valley Boulevard doesn't connect to SR 37 anymore, or will they wait to do that until the South Street bridge is finished?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2019, 03:53:23 AM
Here's a few photos from the I-69 Section 6 Project Update Public Meeting hosted by INDOT at Martinsville High School in Martinsville, Morgan County, Indiana, October 21, 2019. This was the first of three project update meetings held by INDOT this week, the other two taking place in Johnson County and Marion County, respectfully. All photos were taken (by me) October 21, 2019.

About 170 people attended the meeting in Martinsville. After a presentation, INDOT project team members and staff from HNTB, the consulting engineering and design firm, were available to answer any and all questions.

As noted in a previous post, INDOT has recast the I-69 Section 6 project as "I-69 Finish Line". There is a new website, plus a new Twitter account, a new Facebook page, and a new Instagram account (links below).

INDOT I-69 Section 6 Project Update Public Meeting, Martinsville, Morgan County, Indiana, October 21, 2019
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Links:
https://i69finishline.com/
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine
https://www.facebook.com/I69FinishLine
https://www.instagram.com/i69finishline/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 24, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
My father attended one the meeting at Perry Meridian High School this evening and asked some questions of the people there and got some good answers from INDOT.

First of all, according to the INDOT official, signs along I-69 going northbound from Evansville will be changed next year with Bloomington added as the control city. Based on what I was getting they would leave a space on the BGS to add Indianapolis when I-69 is complete to I-465. Either that or they'll swap out Bloomington for Indianapolis when it's time.

Signage along I-465 around the I-69 interchange will eventually feature Evansville for the southbound control city, but only when construction is complete, including the reconstruction of I-465 on the south side. Based on what my dad was telling me they'll be doing something similar to I-465 on the south side from what they did on the west side about ten years ago, a similar style of highway.

According to the INDOT official as well, they are aware that the mile markers are off on I-69 north of Indianapolis And the plan will be to redo them when Section 6 is completed, so the mile markers will be corrected to what they should be.

Finally, the maps online already reflect this but it seems that the Henderson Ford Road interchange now features roundabouts as well as the SR 144 interchange, which has been redesigned a little as well. Otherwise everything else seems as it is now. 

And yes, SR 37 will be gone from Bloomington to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 24, 2019, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 24, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
According to the INDOT official as well, they are aware that the mile markers are off on I-69 north of Indianapolis And the plan will be to redo them when Section 6 is completed, so the mile markers will be corrected to what they should be.

But will they renumber the exits too?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 25, 2019, 08:48:50 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 24, 2019, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 24, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
According to the INDOT official as well, they are aware that the mile markers are off on I-69 north of Indianapolis And the plan will be to redo them when Section 6 is completed, so the mile markers will be corrected to what they should be.

But will they renumber the exits too?

I would assume that they would renumber the exits along with the mile markers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on October 25, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 24, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
My father attended one the meeting at Perry Meridian High School this evening and asked some questions of the people there and got some good answers from INDOT.

First of all, according to the INDOT official, signs along I-69 going northbound from Evansville will be changed next year with Bloomington added as the control city. Based on what I was getting they would leave a space on the BGS to add Indianapolis when I-69 is complete to I-465. Either that or they'll swap out Bloomington for Indianapolis when it's time.

Signage along I-465 around the I-69 interchange will eventually feature Evansville for the southbound control city, but only when construction is complete, including the reconstruction of I-465 on the south side. Based on what my dad was telling me they'll be doing something similar to I-465 on the south side from what they did on the west side about ten years ago, a similar style of highway.

According to the INDOT official as well, they are aware that the mile markers are off on I-69 north of Indianapolis And the plan will be to redo them when Section 6 is completed, so the mile markers will be corrected to what they should be.

Finally, the maps online already reflect this but it seems that the Henderson Ford Road interchange now features roundabouts as well as the SR 144 interchange, which has been redesigned a little as well. Otherwise everything else seems as it is now. 

And yes, SR 37 will be gone from Bloomington to Indianapolis.

Did the folks from INDOT make any mention of what side of I-465 that I-69 will follow (e.g., north-west vs. south-east), or are they still considering the possibility of running I-69 through downtown?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on October 25, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on October 25, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 24, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
My father attended one the meeting at Perry Meridian High School this evening and asked some questions of the people there and got some good answers from INDOT.

First of all, according to the INDOT official, signs along I-69 going northbound from Evansville will be changed next year with Bloomington added as the control city. Based on what I was getting they would leave a space on the BGS to add Indianapolis when I-69 is complete to I-465. Either that or they'll swap out Bloomington for Indianapolis when it's time.

Signage along I-465 around the I-69 interchange will eventually feature Evansville for the southbound control city, but only when construction is complete, including the reconstruction of I-465 on the south side. Based on what my dad was telling me they'll be doing something similar to I-465 on the south side from what they did on the west side about ten years ago, a similar style of highway.

According to the INDOT official as well, they are aware that the mile markers are off on I-69 north of Indianapolis And the plan will be to redo them when Section 6 is completed, so the mile markers will be corrected to what they should be.

Finally, the maps online already reflect this but it seems that the Henderson Ford Road interchange now features roundabouts as well as the SR 144 interchange, which has been redesigned a little as well. Otherwise everything else seems as it is now. 

And yes, SR 37 will be gone from Bloomington to Indianapolis.

Did the folks from INDOT make any mention of what side of I-465 that I-69 will follow (e.g., north-west vs. south-east), or are they still considering the possibility of running I-69 through downtown?
99% certain it's just going to follow SR-37's current path on I-465 along the southeast side. It's definitely not going into Downtown, and the northwest routing is out-of-the-way and wouldn't be followed by very many.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 25, 2019, 11:03:53 PM
it is 100% going on the east side. it was never going on the west side, ever.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 28, 2019, 10:07:15 PM
Would like to see the elevation plan for I-69 through Martinsville and how it compares to the last flood (or at least a 100 year flood plan).

Hate to see all that work, just to see it get buried under Lake Morgan once again.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 03, 2019, 12:55:09 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 28, 2019, 10:07:15 PM
Would like to see the elevation plan for I-69 through Martinsville and how it compares to the last flood (or at least a 100 year flood plan).

Hate to see all that work, just to see it get buried under Lake Morgan once again.

I, too, am interested in the elevation plan for I-69 through the Martinsville area. INDOT and its design contractor, HNTB, are, of course, both aware of the 2008 flood and have planned accordingly. Initially, an overpass was planned to carry Ohio Street over I-69 at the proposed Ohio Street/I-69 interchange. Then the design was revised to have Ohio Street run underneath I-69, which meant the mainline roadway would be elevated substantially with bridges over Ohio Street. Now, according to INDOT's most recently released maps, it appears the design has reverted back to Ohio Street going over I-69. Even with a bridge carrying Ohio Street over I-69, it is very likely the mainline roadway will be elevated to some extent in the vicinity of the Ohio Street interchange. By how much remains the question. I'll look into it.

Currently, just north of the State Road 37/Ohio Street intersection, Sartor Ditch, the waterway which primarily caused the flood of 2008, runs underneath SR 37 via a culvert. Plans are for Sartor Ditch to be realigned and a new, larger culvert to be installed underneath the mainline. The work to install the new culvert as well as construction to elevate the mainline roadway are two of the principal reasons why SR 37 will be completely closed in Martinsville during the 2021 construction season.

Sartor Ditch
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Looking south toward Sartor Ditch (right) and the new multi-use path (left) that will connect Martinsville High School to the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass and roadway. Photo was taken November 2, 2019.

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The present pipe culverts for Sartor Ditch underneath State Road 37 just north of the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection in Martinsville; looking south. In early June of 2008, a tremendous rainstorm caused Sartor Ditch to overflow it banks and inundate a large section of Martinsville. Near the vicinity of the SR 37/Ohio Street interchange, SR 37 flooded and was closed due to high water. Photo was taken November 24, 2018.

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Another view of Sartor Ditch just north of the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection in Martinsville; looking northeast. Photo was taken November 24, 2018.

Here's a link to a set of pictures depicting the 2008 Martinsville flood: https://brokenspoke.blogspot.com/2008/06/flood-of-2008.html Picture No. 4 shows the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection (center-left; a few cars can be seen making their way across SR 37 at Ohio Street).

Here's a video of the 2008 Martinsville flood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7uo4ZFquLU
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on November 03, 2019, 01:00:32 AM
Questions for ITB:

Is the bridge over Sartor Ditch completed, and is the Grand Valley Boulevard intersection closed? (Also, does the bridge site look right alignment-wise on OpenStreetMap? I moved the lines around a little, so I want to make sure they're still accurate.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 03, 2019, 01:02:56 AM
drove it twice in 2 days.  it makes sense now that 37 will be designed.  all the existing new signage has been placed in such a way to make removing 37 pretty easy.  i think it's weird at the amount of shields placed along this route, normally they are after every on ramp.  here it's that and in random places in between.  i don't know why 45 isn't signed on the mainline though.  indot desperately tried to get rid of 45 we of 69 and monroe county refused.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 03, 2019, 01:43:01 AM
Quote from: X99 on November 03, 2019, 01:00:32 AM
Questions for ITB:

Is the bridge over Sartor Ditch completed, and is the Grand Valley Boulevard intersection closed? (Also, does the bridge site look right alignment-wise on OpenStreetMap? I moved the lines around a little, so I want to make sure they're still accurate.)

The SR 37/Grand Valley Blvd. intersection is completely closed. The bridge over Sartor Ditch is still under construction. Although the bridge appears to be nearing completion, it won't be opened to vehicular traffic until the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass over SR 37 completes, which probably won't happen until the summer of 2020.

Checked out OpenStreetMap. Alignment-wise, Grand Valley Blvd. looks accurate. I believe, but am not positive, that the overpass and road section just west of the overpass will be signed Grand Valley Blvd., not South Street. You may want to consider modifying that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 03, 2019, 01:59:10 AM
I also went through Bloomington and Martinsville this evening and the lack of a SR 45 shield was noticable. I suppose you could supplant a 45 shield in the spot where the 37 shield is now (on the reassurance shields, not the signs) when SR 37 is removed.

My dad and I were looking at the Ohio Street intersection and he was asking about the spot just northeast of that intersection and was wondering why that area looked like that, with the intersection as it was. We were thinking that I-69 might be slighlty south of where SR 37 is today. I'm assuming the Walgreens there and other businesses will get to stay.

Also, one noticable consequence of the recent work around SR 37 in Martinsville, there's now a lack of gas stations immediately off of SR 37 with the access to Grand Valley gone and at least three gas stations taken out at Ohio Street, SR 44 and just north of Martinsville. Which isn't real good considering the already lack of services along most of I-69. I was wondering what was up with the plans for a gas station at US 50 and I-69, I thought I saw news that they planned to build one there this year.

Finally, talk about the 2008 flood took me back at bit. That year I worked at a summer camp in Bloomington and I drove home that weekend, passing through Martinsville on Friday evening hours before the rain started. When I had to return to the camp on Sunday I had to take SR 67 down to SR 39 and go around Martinsville to reach SR 37. A routing that I'm sure will get busier usage in the coming years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 03, 2019, 03:00:51 PM

Here's a few pictures of the current construction underway in Martinsville, Indiana. At the time, crews are at work building an overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over State Road 37 (future I-69). Photos were taken November 2, 2019, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 and the construction zone where work is underway to build the overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd.

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The piers and western abutment (foreground) for the new Grand Valley Blvd. overpass; looking east.

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Different perspective of the piers and the work zone; looking southeast. In the foreground (right) are deck pans for the future overpass.

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Expansive view of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass piers and western abutment; looking southeast.

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Another perspective of the western abutment and piers; looking northeast.

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Closer look at the overpass piers and eastern abutment; looking east.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 03, 2019, 04:03:09 PM

A few more pictures. Again, the photos were taken November 2, 2019, unless otherwise noted. And, remember, to expand the pictures, right click, etc.

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The multi-use path that will connect Martinsville High School to the bridge and roadway that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over Sartor Ditch (right) and SR 37 (left, but out of view); looking south.

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Looking north toward SR 37 from the spot where the Martinsville High School multi-use path connects to the bridge that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over Sartor Ditch.

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The MSE (Mechanized Stabilized Earth) retaining wall of the western abutment for the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass; looking east.

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Looking west from the bridge over Sartor Ditch toward South Street in Martinsville. This is the spot where Grand Valley Blvd. will link into South Street.

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Swinging around 180 degrees from the previous picture, here's the bridge over Sartor Ditch; looking east. Note the wide sidewalks.

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Another look at the piers and western abutment of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass; looking east.

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Perspective showing the falsework on the bridge over Sartor Ditch; looking west. And, yes, that is a homeless encampment on the left.

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Closer look at the encampment. Winters in Indiana can be rough. Days and nights can be bitterly cold. It's not common, but overnight temperatures do on occasion fall below 0°F in January and February. Let's hope these folks find appropriate shelter. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on November 03, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
Those are some interesting looking bridge supports. I assume this is the "decorative" aspect added in so Martinsville would agree with the project?

Also, I updated OSM again. I tried to straighten out the bridge and moved the multi-use path to match what I think looked like the picture. Took out the South Street line overlapping the construction line, and moved the construction line to replace it. (I'm assuming that the Grand Valley Boulevard name will be carried to the Home Avenue intersection.)

Oh yeah, one more question: They're letting you walk around the construction site?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 03, 2019, 08:50:54 PM
I just finished surveying the use of Sartor Ditch.

It originates northeast of town around Reuben Drive, for reasons I can't understand, it doesn't increase in capacity as it moves south along the east side of town.

All of that urban runoff collection is then funneled through 2 pipes under IN-37 with a trench depth of less than 5 feet when farther up the ditch has a much deeper draft. And then it narrows into a weed and tree choked 3 foot ditch before Indian Creek.

The fact they haven't had a serious flood before this is probably pure luck.  I see Morgan County hasn't done much past Mahalasville Road to improve the ditch since the flood.

So any excess runoff is going to get choked south of IN-37 and work its way back into town. There is no retention mechanisms here along the way except street culverts, so any large runoffs simply back up at each culvert until it clears.  But if the final culvert is choked out, it doesn't matter what improvements they make farther up.

Looking at older and newer overheads of Martinsville, I suspect the problem started when they built the new high school east of town. They put in 3 new drainage tile to catch runoff from the parking lot, the football and baseball fields.  But the city did nothing to improve the additional runoff south of South Street. So it just simply backed up into the Spring Valley Mobile Home park.  You can see where the city replaced many of the original steel culverts, but didn't increase the draft of the ditch. I don't know the specifics of that mobile home park, but I would guess they have had several floods there over the years. Also when that retail center was built on the west side of Ohio Street north of IN-37, the main drainage runoff is a tile that runs into, yep, Sartor Ditch.

That explains why it backed up all the way into the Kroger.

I am sure the Morgan County has known about this for some time, but as long as the backup never impacted them in a serious way, just bothered some mobile home owners, I am sure there was a lot of lassez faire involved.

Suggestion:

Increase the ditch draft south of IN-37/I-69 all the way down Mahalasville Road. Purchase the vacant land west of the Indiana Power substation and create an overflow retention pond. Give it a high inflow at the east end and low out flow at the west end. This will do a better job of catching large runoffs from a local rain event. Is low maintenance and not subject to brush/log jams.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
Looking at aerial views of SR-37/future Interstate 69 through Martinsville, it looks like upgrading the existing roadway to Interstate Standards will be a tight squeeze. Did they ever propose building a bypass of the existing SR-37 bypass? Also, how many homes and businesses will have to be demolished in order to convert the SR-37 bypass into Interstate 69?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 05, 2019, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 05, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
Looking at aerial views of SR-37/future Interstate 69 through Martinsville, it looks like upgrading the existing roadway to Interstate Standards will be a tight squeeze. Did they ever propose building a bypass of the existing SR-37 bypass? Also, how many homes and businesses will have to be demolished in order to convert the SR-37 bypass into Interstate 69?


The final layout can be found here:

https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

Which shows properties that required acquisition and clearing and how the road will be laid out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 11, 2019, 01:57:10 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 03, 2019, 08:50:54 PM
I just finished surveying the use of Sartor Ditch.

It originates northeast of town around Reuben Drive, for reasons I can't understand, it doesn't increase in capacity as it moves south along the east side of town.

All of that urban runoff collection is then funneled through 2 pipes under IN-37 with a trench depth of less than 5 feet when farther up the ditch has a much deeper draft. And then it narrows into a weed and tree choked 3 foot ditch before Indian Creek.

The fact they haven't had a serious flood before this is probably pure luck.  I see Morgan County hasn't done much past Mahalasville Road to improve the ditch since the flood.

So any excess runoff is going to get choked south of IN-37 and work its way back into town. There is no retention mechanisms here along the way except street culverts, so any large runoffs simply back up at each culvert until it clears.  But if the final culvert is choked out, it doesn't matter what improvements they make farther up.

Looking at older and newer overheads of Martinsville, I suspect the problem started when they built the new high school east of town. They put in 3 new drainage tile to catch runoff from the parking lot, the football and baseball fields.  But the city did nothing to improve the additional runoff south of South Street. So it just simply backed up into the Spring Valley Mobile Home park.  You can see where the city replaced many of the original steel culverts, but didn't increase the draft of the ditch. I don't know the specifics of that mobile home park, but I would guess they have had several floods there over the years. Also when that retail center was built on the west side of Ohio Street north of IN-37, the main drainage runoff is a tile that runs into, yep, Sartor Ditch.

That explains why it backed up all the way into the Kroger.

I am sure the Morgan County has known about this for some time, but as long as the backup never impacted them in a serious way, just bothered some mobile home owners, I am sure there was a lot of lassez faire involved.

Suggestion:

Increase the ditch draft south of IN-37/I-69 all the way down Mahalasville Road. Purchase the vacant land west of the Indiana Power substation and create an overflow retention pond. Give it a high inflow at the east end and low out flow at the west end. This will do a better job of catching large runoffs from a local rain event. Is low maintenance and not subject to brush/log jams.

This is an excellent analysis of the hydrology of Sartor Ditch. Even thought INDOT and its design/engineering contractor for the Martinsville segment, HNTB, are quite aware of Sartor Ditch and its issues, they the may find your analysis informative. Consider zipping an email to HNTB's downtown Indianapolis office. 

I, too, have wondered why Sartor Ditch doesn't seem to increase in capacity. One possible explanation is there's a large aquifer near that area of Martinsville that's recharged during precipitation events. The water has to go somewhere and that somewhere is either into Sartor Ditch, into storm sewers, or into the ground.

By the way, from the late 1880s to the 1930s, Martinsville was well known for it mineral springs spas. It was quite the place for people to experience the "healing" waters back in the day.

Link: Martinsville Sanatariums https://indianapublicmedia.org/momentofindianahistory/martinsville-sanatariums/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 14, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
Project has a winner.  Walsh for $164,862,215.88 Saw it on INDOT's site (martinsville segment)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 14, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 14, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
Project has a winner.  Walsh for $164,862,215.88 Saw it on INDOT's site (martinsville segment)
So will Walsh get naming rights to I-69 once completed? Seems like they have been doing a lot of the work, cleaning up and finishing the Bloomington segment and now taking on the Martinsville segment
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 15, 2019, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2019, 01:57:10 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 03, 2019, 08:50:54 PM
I just finished surveying the use of Sartor Ditch.

It originates northeast of town around Reuben Drive, for reasons I can't understand, it doesn't increase in capacity as it moves south along the east side of town.

All of that urban runoff collection is then funneled through 2 pipes under IN-37 with a trench depth of less than 5 feet when farther up the ditch has a much deeper draft. And then it narrows into a weed and tree choked 3 foot ditch before Indian Creek.

The fact they haven't had a serious flood before this is probably pure luck.  I see Morgan County hasn't done much past Mahalasville Road to improve the ditch since the flood.

So any excess runoff is going to get choked south of IN-37 and work its way back into town. There is no retention mechanisms here along the way except street culverts, so any large runoffs simply back up at each culvert until it clears.  But if the final culvert is choked out, it doesn't matter what improvements they make farther up.

Looking at older and newer overheads of Martinsville, I suspect the problem started when they built the new high school east of town. They put in 3 new drainage tile to catch runoff from the parking lot, the football and baseball fields.  But the city did nothing to improve the additional runoff south of South Street. So it just simply backed up into the Spring Valley Mobile Home park.  You can see where the city replaced many of the original steel culverts, but didn't increase the draft of the ditch. I don't know the specifics of that mobile home park, but I would guess they have had several floods there over the years. Also when that retail center was built on the west side of Ohio Street north of IN-37, the main drainage runoff is a tile that runs into, yep, Sartor Ditch.

That explains why it backed up all the way into the Kroger.

I am sure the Morgan County has known about this for some time, but as long as the backup never impacted them in a serious way, just bothered some mobile home owners, I am sure there was a lot of lassez faire involved.

Suggestion:

Increase the ditch draft south of IN-37/I-69 all the way down Mahalasville Road. Purchase the vacant land west of the Indiana Power substation and create an overflow retention pond. Give it a high inflow at the east end and low out flow at the west end. This will do a better job of catching large runoffs from a local rain event. Is low maintenance and not subject to brush/log jams.

This is an excellent analysis of the hydrology of Sartor Ditch. Even thought INDOT and its design/engineering contractor for the Martinsville segment, HNTB, are quite aware of Sartor Ditch and its issues, they the may find your analysis informative. Consider zipping an email to HNTB's downtown Indianapolis office. 

I, too, have wondered why Sartor Ditch doesn't seem to increase in capacity. One possible explanation is there's a large aquifer near that area of Martinsville that's recharged during precipitation events. The water has to go somewhere and that somewhere is either into Sartor Ditch, into storm sewers, or into the ground.

By the way, from the late 1880s to the 1930s, Martinsville was well known for it mineral springs spas. It was quite the place for people to experience the "healing" waters back in the day.

Link: Martinsville Sanatariums https://indianapublicmedia.org/momentofindianahistory/martinsville-sanatariums/

Thank you for the compliments.

The website for HNTB Indianapolis appears to be down.

Before shooting off an email half-cocked, I decided to wade (pun intended) through the EIS and see if I could find a rational hydrology report on expected water flows in either cfs or cms to see if they had done any kind of analysis on how the new ROW would impact flow characteristics.

Lots of data and classifications of the various wetlands. Even the forest I described as a good locale for a runoff next to the IP substation was listed as a "natural retention wetland" prior to Indian Creek.

Sartor Ditch was registered as a "perennial" waterway (meaning water flows all year round) that is served by several semi-perennials and dry arteries.

The parking lot for business across Ohio is a dry artery as well and the new I-69 will have arteries (from runoff) serving Sartor once finished. There are some semi-perennials in some other neighborhoods that flow into Sartor.

Now, I could be blind, and just not seeing it, but I cannot find in the entire EIS any research, notation or discussion on supporting the changing flow characteristics of Sartor Ditch.  Technically, no longer just a "ditch" running along the east side of town, it is now a perennial waterway that now picks up a large quantity of water via rain events periodically, and now picks up much more runoff than before, especially from dry tributaries.

The fact the EIS doesn't discuss how much max cfs/cms the new ROW could supply to Sartor over a particular or average weather event is (to me) mysterious.

The report notes that many wetlands around Martinsville are essentially transitory in the natural flow of water towards the White River basin, some via Indian Creek.

OK, great, but how did they determine how high the road needed to be over Sartor? Bridge and ROW design is data driven as well. and bridges over any water body are designed to provide best case clearance based on certain flow metrics.

The environment document found here:

https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_Ch4.3_NatEnv.pdf (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_Ch4.3_NatEnv.pdf)

shows that the area with a boundary of I-69, Ohio Street and the mobile home park has a 1% chance of flooding in a 100 year lifespan.

That is all I could find. Anything like Sartor Ditch are considered under the direction of the IDEM (Indiana Department of Environmental Management) not the USEPA (US Evironmental Protection Agency)

So at this point, it appears they didn't find it very relevant.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 18, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 15, 2019, 10:45:33 PM
... I decided to wade (pun intended) through the EIS and see if I could find a rational hydrology report on expected water flows in either cfs or cms to see if they had done any kind of analysis on how the new ROW would impact flow characteristics.

Lots of data and classifications of the various wetlands. Even the forest I described as a good locale for a runoff next to the IP substation was listed as a "natural retention wetland" prior to Indian Creek.

Sartor Ditch was registered as a "perennial" waterway (meaning water flows all year round) that is served by several semi-perennials and dry arteries.

The parking lot for business across Ohio is a dry artery as well and the new I-69 will have arteries (from runoff) serving Sartor once finished. There are some semi-perennials in some other neighborhoods that flow into Sartor.

Now, I could be blind, and just not seeing it, but I cannot find in the entire EIS any research, notation or discussion on supporting the changing flow characteristics of Sartor Ditch.  Technically, no longer just a "ditch" running along the east side of town, it is now a perennial waterway that now picks up a large quantity of water via rain events periodically, and now picks up much more runoff than before, especially from dry tributaries.

The fact the EIS doesn't discuss how much max cfs/cms the new ROW could supply to Sartor over a particular or average weather event is (to me) mysterious.

The report notes that many wetlands around Martinsville are essentially transitory in the natural flow of water towards the White River basin, some via Indian Creek.

OK, great, but how did they determine how high the road needed to be over Sartor? Bridge and ROW design is data driven as well. and bridges over any water body are designed to provide best case clearance based on certain flow metrics.

...

That is all I could find. Anything like Sartor Ditch are considered under the direction of the IDEM (Indiana Department of Environmental Management) not the USEPA (US Evironmental Protection Agency)

I came across some Hydraulic Data in the actual drawing/plan sets uploaded by INDOT. These sets were done by HNTB, the design and engineering consultant for the Martinsville segment. Here's an example:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49084840211_8388f6d7ab_b.jpg)

It appears hydrology analysis was undertaken during the design phase, which, of course, came after the EIS. But, yes, it is a surprising more details weren't provided in the EIS.

Link: INDOT document portal https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/Results.aspx

To find plans and drawings, as well as other documents for the Martinsville segment of Section 6, search using the Contract #: 33493
The above drawing was found in Plans/Drawing Sets in tab "FT Plans 6of13 0500430 for Contract Services" (page 47 of 183).

Edit: Minor wording changes for clarity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 18, 2019, 10:20:30 AM

For those interested here are the INDOT Apparent Bid Results (November 14, 2019 letting) for Contract #33493, aka the Martinsville segment of Section 6. Please note these results are UNOFFICIAL. As the bidding was very competitive, the contract administrators at INDOT will likely take a little extra time to examine the bids before officially awarding the contract.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49084326613_8a6a102975_c.jpg)

Link: INDOT Contract Letting https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 18, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 18, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 15, 2019, 10:45:33 PM
... I decided to wade (pun intended) through the EIS and see if I could find a rational hydrology report on expected water flows in either cfs or cms to see if they had done any kind of analysis on how the new ROW would impact flow characteristics.

Lots of data and classifications of the various wetlands. Even the forest I described as a good locale for a runoff next to the IP substation was listed as a "natural retention wetland" prior to Indian Creek.

Sartor Ditch was registered as a "perennial" waterway (meaning water flows all year round) that is served by several semi-perennials and dry arteries.

The parking lot for business across Ohio is a dry artery as well and the new I-69 will have arteries (from runoff) serving Sartor once finished. There are some semi-perennials in some other neighborhoods that flow into Sartor.

Now, I could be blind, and just not seeing it, but I cannot find in the entire EIS any research, notation or discussion on supporting the changing flow characteristics of Sartor Ditch.  Technically, no longer just a "ditch" running along the east side of town, it is now a perennial waterway that now picks up a large quantity of water via rain events periodically, and now picks up much more runoff than before, especially from dry tributaries.

The fact the EIS doesn't discuss how much max cfs/cms the new ROW could supply to Sartor over a particular or average weather event is (to me) mysterious.

The report notes that many wetlands around Martinsville are essentially transitory in the natural flow of water towards the White River basin, some via Indian Creek.

OK, great, but how did they determine how high the road needed to be over Sartor? Bridge and ROW design is data driven as well. and bridges over any water body are designed to provide best case clearance based on certain flow metrics.

...

That is all I could find. Anything like Sartor Ditch are considered under the direction of the IDEM (Indiana Department of Environmental Management) not the USEPA (US Evironmental Protection Agency)

I came across some Hydraulic Data in the actual drawing/plan sets uploaded by INDOT. These sets were done by HNTB, the design and engineering consultant for the Martinsville segment. Here's an example:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49084840211_8388f6d7ab_b.jpg)

It appears hydrology analysis was undertaken during the design phase, which, of course, came after the EIS. But, yes, it is a surprising more details weren't provided in the EIS.

Link: INDOT document portal https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/Results.aspx

To find plans and drawings, as well as other documents for the Martinsville segment of Section 6, search using the Contract #: 33493
The above drawing was found in Plans/Drawing Sets in tab "FT Plans 6of13 0500430 for Contract Services" (page 47 of 183).

Edit: Minor wording changes for clarity.

Thank you. Very helpful and I will take a look at it. I don't think I would have found this myself.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 01, 2020, 10:56:00 PM

It's been a while, so today I motored up to Martinsville, Indiana, for a look-see. Photos were taken January 1, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Grand Valley Blvd. overpass, Martinsville, Indiana
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Construction continues on the overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Martinsville, Indiana; looking east.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313020393_a1e20fb360_k.jpg)
Different perspective of the overpass; looking east.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313509496_3991903e79_k.jpg)
The approach to the overpass from South Street in Martinsville; looking east.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313514541_040c7a8dd1_k.jpg)
Underneath the overpass; looking east.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313507451_ea0c8beebb_k.jpg)
The shared-use path which will connect Martinsville High School to the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass and roadway; looking north.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313541921_3700371b7f_k.jpg)
Another look at the overpass; looking northeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313720917_3037db4fe2_k.jpg)
And another from underneath; looking east.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49313717702_ae55785cfc_k.jpg)
View of the work zone; looking slightly southeast.

Milestone, the contractor of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass and related local roadways in Martinsville, appears to be making significant progress and may substantially complete the overpass by late spring, if not a bit earlier. At this time, the overpass is the only construction project currently underway in Martinsville. But that will soon change as Walsh Construction gears up this spring to build the Martinsville segment of Interstate 69, work that will involve the construction of four interchanges, the relocation of a stream – Sartor Ditch – improvements to local roads, and, of course, the upgrading of State Road 37 to interstate standards.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 02, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
I was just riding along I-69 yesterday when I passed Martinsville and I was thinking, we haven't heard from ITB for a while.

At least 2020 promises some more action along I-69 than last year did. I'm pretty certain it was the quietest year on I-69 development in Southern Indiana since the entire project started just north of I-64.

Leaving the only gas station near the interstate from between Exits 10 and 114, I saw a small sign near the ramp from northbound US 231 to I-69 north with a mention to Bloomington. Perhaps the first ever mention of any northbound control destination along that highway.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49315752406_276408a68b_k.jpg)

Though I do wonder if this sign installation has more to do with Crane than anything else. I get the feeling that Crane was tired of INDOT dragging their feet on directing traffic from the Naval Warfare Center up toward Bloomington via I-69 and got the sign put up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 02, 2020, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 18, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
The fact the EIS doesn't discuss how much max cfs/cms the new ROW could supply to Sartor over a particular or average weather event is (to me) mysterious.

Thank you. Very helpful and I will take a look at it. I don't think I would have found this myself.

Most EISs don't have detailed hydraulic/hydrology information. They usually speak in generalities. There is a reason for this; they identify the permits that are needed, but don't go to the extent of applying for them. Permits have an expiration date, and they may change due to what is found during detailed design. The best time to secure the permits is within a year of letting, so that they are fresh and where the details have been vetted thru the design process.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 02, 2020, 12:17:21 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on January 02, 2020, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 18, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
The fact the EIS doesn't discuss how much max cfs/cms the new ROW could supply to Sartor over a particular or average weather event is (to me) mysterious.

Thank you. Very helpful and I will take a look at it. I don't think I would have found this myself.

Most EISs don't have detailed hydraulic/hydrology information. They usually speak in generalities. There is a reason for this; they identify the permits that are needed, but don't go to the extent of applying for them. Permits have an expiration date, and they may change due to what is found during detailed design. The best time to secure the permits is within a year of letting, so that they are fresh and where the details have been vetted thru the design process.

as a person having to make and submit permits for projects like this, I agree. Also, I hate permits  :banghead:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on January 02, 2020, 12:43:17 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 02, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
I was just riding along I-69 yesterday when I passed Martinsville and I was thinking, we haven't heard from ITB for a while.

At least 2020 promises some more action along I-69 than last year did. I'm pretty certain it was the quietest year on I-69 development in Southern Indiana since the entire project started just north of I-64.

Leaving the only gas station near the interstate from between Exits 10 and 114, I saw a small sign near the ramp from northbound US 231 to I-69 north with a mention to Bloomington. Perhaps the first ever mention of any northbound control destination along that highway.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49315752406_276408a68b_k.jpg)

Though I do wonder if this sign installation has more to do with Crane than anything else. I get the feeling that Crane was tired of INDOT dragging their feet on directing traffic from the Naval Warfare Center up toward Bloomington via I-69 and got the sign put up.

I don't know exactly when it happened, but the sign went up fairly soon after 69 opened east (ahem, "north") of 231. There had been signs previously south of the new 45/58 junction directing traffic that way to Bloomington, but after the road opened and INDOT took out the signal, the signage got relocated.  It really didn't seem to me like it took very long.

That said, there's still signs that need to be updated. Seems like I heard somewhere that all the blank northbound BGSs are going to get "Bloomington" added to them, possibly this year? Makes as much sense as anything.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 02, 2020, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on January 02, 2020, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 18, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
The fact the EIS doesn't discuss how much max cfs/cms the new ROW could supply to Sartor over a particular or average weather event is (to me) mysterious.

Thank you. Very helpful and I will take a look at it. I don't think I would have found this myself.

Most EISs don't have detailed hydraulic/hydrology information. They usually speak in generalities. There is a reason for this; they identify the permits that are needed, but don't go to the extent of applying for them. Permits have an expiration date, and they may change due to what is found during detailed design. The best time to secure the permits is within a year of letting, so that they are fresh and where the details have been vetted thru the design process.

I did finally find the hydrology report and thought I had posted on it, but I don't see that post, so I probably typed it up, walked away without hitting post. I don't live there and I am not a hydrologist, so I will have to trust the experts in this case.

When the next "100 Year" event occurs, I will drop by here and see how the new layout worked.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 02, 2020, 07:47:08 PM
It bothers me more than it should that these gray "bricks" are not evenly wide.

(https://i.imgur.com/dCu3PMK.png)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on January 02, 2020, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 02, 2020, 07:47:08 PM
It bothers me more than it should that these gray "bricks" are not evenly wide.

(https://i.imgur.com/dCu3PMK.png)

I think it would look strange if they were all the same length as it would leave each pier with tiny columns of "brick"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 10:40:14 PM
I was driving on I-69 between the Lloyd Expressway Exit in Evansville and the Sample Rd Exit north of Bloomington recently

I noticed from the Lloyd, neither Northbound nor Southbound I-69 has Controls. Just BGSs with I-69 North and South with empty green for future Controls. I expect Bloomington and/or Indy for North. Henderson for South? Hopkinsville? Paducah? Fulton? Perhaps Memphis, even? Possibly even Nashville? Anyone have any idea which way INDOT is leaning for the South Control from Evansville? Could even pull a St Louis or Chicago idea, and simply use Kentucky as the South Control
https://goo.gl/maps/msCPMVTRDVSa6wKm7

I asked last year on this thread about how to get to Burma Rd from the south after the I-69 Grade Separations on IN 37...I now know the route, but Google Maps still does not...It thinks one can turn, directly, from the Chambers Pike Overpass onto the Burma Rd Underpass...Tho I see that now Chambers Pike circles back South and East after the Overpass to "T"  at Burma Rd. I believe last year that was not yet open, and it forced you to continue on Dittemore Rd if you went over I-69 and Burma Rd on the Overpass

I'm still waiting on things like Destination/Distance Signage, especially Northbound, and I can't understand how Washington has not gotten Logo Signs installed for the US 50/150/Washington exit. Its really not that far off I-69 to get to the gas stations and fast food joints, especially on Old US 50 into town. The other towns with Exits along the route also need Logo signs, where appropriate. Its such a change when you get to the Former I-164 segment, and there are Destination/Distance signs, after every Exit (but no Long Distance Control/Mileage)

Not necessarily related to I-69, but on my Carbondale-Gosport trip, taking IL 13/US 45/IL 141/IN 62/IN 66/Lloyd Expressway to I-69 is within 5-10 mins of the trip time of taking 57-70 or 57-64-69. A lot less traffic on the non-interstate route, and much more chill of a drive!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 02, 2020, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 10:40:14 PM
I noticed from the Lloyd, neither Northbound nor Southbound I-69 has Controls. Just BGSs with I-69 North and South with empty green for future Controls. I expect Bloomington and/or Indy for North. Henderson for South? Hopkinsville? Paducah? Fulton? Perhaps Memphis, even? Possibly even Nashville? Anyone have any idea which way INDOT is leaning for the South Control from Evansville? Could even pull a St Louis or Chicago idea, and simply use Kentucky as the South Control
https://goo.gl/maps/msCPMVTRDVSa6wKm7

In the short term, once the Ohio River bridge is built Henderson would likely be the control city. The completion of both the Ohio River bridge and Section 6 could be a roughly the same time, so they could change the signs around Evansville at the same time when the time comes. I don't see INDOT using Fulton and Hopkinsville and Paducah should be right out since I-69 doesn't reach either town. Long term, Indiana could very well use Memphis as the control city as the state traditionally favors larger control cities.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: royo6022 on January 02, 2020, 11:44:10 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 10:40:14 PM
I was driving on I-69 between the Lloyd Expressway Exit in Evansville and the Sample Rd Exit north of Bloomington recently

I noticed from the Lloyd, neither Northbound nor Southbound I-69 has Controls. Just BGSs with I-69 North and South with empty green for future Controls. I expect Bloomington and/or Indy for North. Henderson for South? Hopkinsville? Paducah? Fulton? Perhaps Memphis, even? Possibly even Nashville? Anyone have any idea which way INDOT is leaning for the South Control from Evansville? Could even pull a St Louis or Chicago idea, and simply use Kentucky as the South Control
https://goo.gl/maps/msCPMVTRDVSa6wKm7

I asked last year on this thread about how to get to Burma Rd from the south after the I-69 Grade Separations on IN 37...I now know the route, but Google Maps still does not...It thinks one can turn, directly, from the Chambers Pike Overpass onto the Burma Rd Underpass...Tho I see that now Chambers Pike circles back South and East after the Overpass to "T"  at Burma Rd. I believe last year that was not yet open, and it forced you to continue on Dittemore Rd if you went over I-69 and Burma Rd on the Overpass

I'm still waiting on things like Destination/Distance Signage, especially Northbound, and I can't understand how Washington has not gotten Logo Signs installed for the US 50/150/Washington exit. Its really not that far off I-69 to get to the gas stations and fast food joints, especially on Old US 50 into town. The other towns with Exits along the route also need Logo signs, where appropriate. Its such a change when you get to the Former I-164 segment, and there are Destination/Distance signs, after every Exit (but no Long Distance Control/Mileage)

Not necessarily related to I-69, but on my Carbondale-Gosport trip, taking IL 13/US 45/IL 141/IN 62/IN 66/Lloyd Expressway to I-69 is within 5-10 mins of the trip time of taking 57-70 or 57-64-69. A lot less traffic on the non-interstate route, and much more chill of a drive!

I drive to Evansville to work every day and I am from the area, I noticed this awhile ago. I-164 and I-69 were signed and built two very different ways and it doesn't seem like they really cared to do much to merge the two together...

Starting with the mileage signs after every exit. The old I-164 section still has signs using 1/4 mile intervals, which boo-hoo, but can we also talk about how there are mileage signs after every single Evansville exit until you get North of I-64 where you don't see a mileage sign for a very long time. Another thing I noticed on my morning commute was how the Lloyd Expwy doesn't have a place on ANY of the I-69 mileage signs going south bound, and it only appears on ONE sign going northbound (right after Green River Road exit)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 01:24:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 02, 2020, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 10:40:14 PM
I noticed from the Lloyd, neither Northbound nor Southbound I-69 has Controls. Just BGSs with I-69 North and South with empty green for future Controls. I expect Bloomington and/or Indy for North. Henderson for South? Hopkinsville? Paducah? Fulton? Perhaps Memphis, even? Possibly even Nashville? Anyone have any idea which way INDOT is leaning for the South Control from Evansville? Could even pull a St Louis or Chicago idea, and simply use Kentucky as the South Control
https://goo.gl/maps/msCPMVTRDVSa6wKm7

In the short term, once the Ohio River bridge is built Henderson would likely be the control city. The completion of both the Ohio River bridge and Section 6 could be a roughly the same time, so they could change the signs around Evansville at the same time when the time comes. I don't see INDOT using Fulton and Hopkinsville and Paducah should be right out since I-69 doesn't reach either town. Long term, Indiana could very well use Memphis as the control city as the state traditionally favors larger control cities.
An Interstate does not have to reach a City/Metro Area to have said City/Metro Area as a Control

I-57 and Memphis is the obvious one. I-40 and Los Angeles also.

Just has to put you on a Road to get to that Control. Heck, even in Indiana, I-65 never makes it to Chicago (but does make it into the Chicagoland/NW Indiana Metro Area)

About the only "smaller" city Interstate Control I have seen in Indiana is Peoria for I-74 West out of Indy. I would almost say Ft Wayne also, for I-69 North out of Indy/South from the Toll Road

I could see INDOT going with Nashville over Memphis, at least short-medium term until more I-69 Tennessee progress is made. But once the new bridge is done, it will be an All Limited Access route to Nashville South out of Evansville (possibly All Interstate if the southern segment of the Pennyrile were to become I-x69 or I-x24)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 03, 2020, 05:35:20 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 01:24:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 02, 2020, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 10:40:14 PM
I noticed from the Lloyd, neither Northbound nor Southbound I-69 has Controls. Just BGSs with I-69 North and South with empty green for future Controls. I expect Bloomington and/or Indy for North. Henderson for South? Hopkinsville? Paducah? Fulton? Perhaps Memphis, even? Possibly even Nashville? Anyone have any idea which way INDOT is leaning for the South Control from Evansville? Could even pull a St Louis or Chicago idea, and simply use Kentucky as the South Control
https://goo.gl/maps/msCPMVTRDVSa6wKm7

In the short term, once the Ohio River bridge is built Henderson would likely be the control city. The completion of both the Ohio River bridge and Section 6 could be a roughly the same time, so they could change the signs around Evansville at the same time when the time comes. I don't see INDOT using Fulton and Hopkinsville and Paducah should be right out since I-69 doesn't reach either town. Long term, Indiana could very well use Memphis as the control city as the state traditionally favors larger control cities.
An Interstate does not have to reach a City/Metro Area to have said City/Metro Area as a Control

I-57 and Memphis is the obvious one. I-40 and Los Angeles also.

Just has to put you on a Road to get to that Control. Heck, even in Indiana, I-65 never makes it to Chicago (but does make it into the Chicagoland/NW Indiana Metro Area)

About the only "smaller" city Interstate Control I have seen in Indiana is Peoria for I-74 West out of Indy. I would almost say Ft Wayne also, for I-69 North out of Indy/South from the Toll Road

I could see INDOT going with Nashville over Memphis, at least short-medium term until more I-69 Tennessee progress is made. But once the new bridge is done, it will be an All Limited Access route to Nashville South out of Evansville (possibly All Interstate if the southern segment of the Pennyrile were to become I-x69 or I-x24)
In North Carolina, I-785 and I-73 in the Greensboro area both sign "Danville"  and "Martinsville"  respectively even though the interstates don't currently leave the Greensboro metro. In the future, they will connect, but currently don't. Did not stop them from using them as control cities now though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 08, 2020, 12:59:02 PM
https://i69finishline.com/news/164-million-contract-to-build-i-69-in-martinsville/

INDOT has confirmed Walsh Construction Company was awarded the bid for Contract #2.

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QuoteMARTINSVILLE, Ind. (Jan. 7, 2020) — The Indiana Department of Transportation has awarded Walsh Construction Company II LLC a $164.8 million contract to transform six miles of State Road 37 into Interstate 69. Walsh's proposal was the lowest price among four responsive bids and $7.8 million below estimate.

This is the second major contract award for I-69 Finish Line, representing a state and federal construction investment in Martinsville totaling more than $186 million to date.

S.R. 37 will be completely closed in Martinsville in 2021 to safely advance construction between SR 39/Morton Avenue and Morgan Street. Work will begin this year to prepare alternate routes for additional traffic including the detour route, which will follow S.R. 39, S.R. 67 and S.R. 144.



When this construction contract is substantially completed in late 2021, Martinsville traffic will only be able to enter or exit at four interchanges: S.R. 39, Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road, S.R. 252/Hospital Drive and S.R. 44/Reuben Drive. Roundabouts will control traffic where:

S.R. 39, Rogers Road and an extension of Southview Drive meet the I-69 entrance and exit ramps.
S.R. 252/Hospital Drive meets the I-69 ramps and Cramertown Loop.
A map of I-69 Finish Line construction contracts 1 and 2 is at: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Contracts-1-and-2.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 08, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: thefro on January 08, 2020, 12:59:02 PM
https://i69finishline.com/news/164-million-contract-to-build-i-69-in-martinsville/

INDOT has confirmed Walsh Construction Company was awarded the bid for Contract #2.

QuoteMARTINSVILLE, Ind. (Jan. 7, 2020) — The Indiana Department of Transportation has awarded Walsh Construction Company II LLC a $164.8 million contract to transform six miles of State Road 37 into Interstate 69. Walsh's proposal was the lowest price among four responsive bids and $7.8 million below estimate.

This is the second major contract award for I-69 Finish Line, representing a state and federal construction investment in Martinsville totaling more than $186 million to date.

S.R. 37 will be completely closed in Martinsville in 2021 to safely advance construction between SR 39/Morton Avenue and Morgan Street. Work will begin this year to prepare alternate routes for additional traffic including the detour route, which will follow S.R. 39, S.R. 67 and S.R. 144.



When this construction contract is substantially completed in late 2021, Martinsville traffic will only be able to enter or exit at four interchanges: S.R. 39, Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road, S.R. 252/Hospital Drive and S.R. 44/Reuben Drive. Roundabouts will control traffic where:

S.R. 39, Rogers Road and an extension of Southview Drive meet the I-69 entrance and exit ramps.
S.R. 252/Hospital Drive meets the I-69 ramps and Cramertown Loop.
A map of I-69 Finish Line construction contracts 1 and 2 is at: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Contracts-1-and-2.pdf
Is I-69 planned to be sign-posted upon completion of this segment, or will it not be posted until completed to I-465?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on January 10, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 08, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: thefro on January 08, 2020, 12:59:02 PM
https://i69finishline.com/news/164-million-contract-to-build-i-69-in-martinsville/

INDOT has confirmed Walsh Construction Company was awarded the bid for Contract #2.

QuoteMARTINSVILLE, Ind. (Jan. 7, 2020) — The Indiana Department of Transportation has awarded Walsh Construction Company II LLC a $164.8 million contract to transform six miles of State Road 37 into Interstate 69. Walsh's proposal was the lowest price among four responsive bids and $7.8 million below estimate.

This is the second major contract award for I-69 Finish Line, representing a state and federal construction investment in Martinsville totaling more than $186 million to date.

S.R. 37 will be completely closed in Martinsville in 2021 to safely advance construction between SR 39/Morton Avenue and Morgan Street. Work will begin this year to prepare alternate routes for additional traffic including the detour route, which will follow S.R. 39, S.R. 67 and S.R. 144.



When this construction contract is substantially completed in late 2021, Martinsville traffic will only be able to enter or exit at four interchanges: S.R. 39, Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road, S.R. 252/Hospital Drive and S.R. 44/Reuben Drive. Roundabouts will control traffic where:

S.R. 39, Rogers Road and an extension of Southview Drive meet the I-69 entrance and exit ramps.
S.R. 252/Hospital Drive meets the I-69 ramps and Cramertown Loop.
A map of I-69 Finish Line construction contracts 1 and 2 is at: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Contracts-1-and-2.pdf
Is I-69 planned to be sign-posted upon completion of this segment, or will it not be posted until completed to I-465?

https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/I-69_Construction_Timing_Map.pdf

Could sign it to SR44 in theory after 2022 but they might want to keep it un-signed until Contract 4 construction is done (since that goes to the Northern side of Martinsville).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2020, 08:12:01 PM
I-69 project: Ind. 37 in Martinsville will close in 2021. Here's the official detour.
(https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2020/01/10/i-69-interstate-state-road-37-martinsville-construction-closure-highway/4423345002/)
QuoteThe timing for construction of the final leg of the massive I-69 extension is becoming clearer with the second major contract awarded earlier this week.

Walsh Construction Co. won the bid to convert six miles of Ind. 37 in Martinsville to I-69, which will result in fully closing the state road in 2021. The closure will affect the Ind. 39 interchange from the south edge of Martinsville up to the Ind. 44 interchange, said Sarah Rubin, a deputy director for INDOT who is overseeing the I-69 Finish Line project.

"The full closure saves us an entire construction season so we can make mainline improvements in one season instead of two," Rubin said.

While there is not yet a firm date to begin construction, Rubin said work will likely start in early 2021 and last for approximately 10 months. The project will likely increase traffic both for the local community and motorists passing through.

INDOT has one official detour thus far:

Heading northbound: Exit I-69 and get on Ind. 39 to Ind. 67, then drive east on Ind. 144 just outside Mooresville to continue traveling north on Ind. 37.

Heading southbound: Exit Ind. 37 and head west on Ind. 144, go south on Ind. 67 to Ind. 39, and continue onto I-69 south.

When construction is completed in late 2021, local traffic will be able to enter or exit at four interchanges:

- Ind. 39.
- Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road.
- Ind. 252/Hospital Drive.
- Ind. 44/Reuben Drive.

Motorists will use roundabouts at Ind. 39, Rogers Road and a Southview Drive extension that meets the I-69 ramps, and where Ind. 252/Hospital Drive meets the I-69 ramps and Cramertown Loop.

"From a travel planning perspective, drivers will need to get into the habit of giving themselves extra time to get somewhere," Rubin said. "Sometimes with major community events that interact with the timing of construction, we'll do our best to coordinate with communities ahead of time and alleviate any pressure and queuing."

Indiana University students traveling to or from Bloomington and anyone heading to sporting events on campus might encounter more traffic than usual.

Chuck Carney, director of media relations for the university, said the school will work with its partners to make the public aware of alternative traffic routes. He said during football season they have weekly meetings with INDOT.

"This and real-time traffic updates are typically done through our IU Police Department channels on social media," Carney said. "Additionally, as is typical for major traffic issues impacting those traveling to our campus, we'll make sure to spread the word through the media about precautions to take and other things to consider."

The I-69 extension connecting Evansville to Indianapolis began 10 years ago. It's now in the sixth and final leg from Martinsville to Indianapolis, which is broken into five segments. The first contract is currently underway to prepare local roads in Martinsville for the major construction in 2021. The extension is expected to be complete in 2024.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 11, 2020, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: thefro on January 10, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 08, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: thefro on January 08, 2020, 12:59:02 PM
https://i69finishline.com/news/164-million-contract-to-build-i-69-in-martinsville/

INDOT has confirmed Walsh Construction Company was awarded the bid for Contract #2.

QuoteMARTINSVILLE, Ind. (Jan. 7, 2020) — The Indiana Department of Transportation has awarded Walsh Construction Company II LLC a $164.8 million contract to transform six miles of State Road 37 into Interstate 69. Walsh's proposal was the lowest price among four responsive bids and $7.8 million below estimate.

This is the second major contract award for I-69 Finish Line, representing a state and federal construction investment in Martinsville totaling more than $186 million to date.

S.R. 37 will be completely closed in Martinsville in 2021 to safely advance construction between SR 39/Morton Avenue and Morgan Street. Work will begin this year to prepare alternate routes for additional traffic including the detour route, which will follow S.R. 39, S.R. 67 and S.R. 144.



When this construction contract is substantially completed in late 2021, Martinsville traffic will only be able to enter or exit at four interchanges: S.R. 39, Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road, S.R. 252/Hospital Drive and S.R. 44/Reuben Drive. Roundabouts will control traffic where:

S.R. 39, Rogers Road and an extension of Southview Drive meet the I-69 entrance and exit ramps.
S.R. 252/Hospital Drive meets the I-69 ramps and Cramertown Loop.
A map of I-69 Finish Line construction contracts 1 and 2 is at: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Contracts-1-and-2.pdf
Is I-69 planned to be sign-posted upon completion of this segment, or will it not be posted until completed to I-465?

https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/I-69_Construction_Timing_Map.pdf

Could sign it to SR44 in theory after 2022 but they might want to keep it un-signed until Contract 4 construction is done (since that goes to the Northern side of Martinsville).

it will be signed as 69 ONLY up to just north of SR 44 once complete, 37 will be not be signed anymore after that in the area, north of it it will be 37 only until they convert that area.  I'm assuming 37 will be decommissioned with signs removed everywhere along 69 after it is connected to 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on February 03, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
37 will still be active in the southern part of the state
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 03, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 03, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
37 will still be active in the southern part of the state

Correct, but more accurately 3 pieces.  The southern portion you mention, as well as noblesville to marion, then the ft wayne portion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on February 04, 2020, 02:40:36 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 03, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 03, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
37 will still be active in the southern part of the state

Correct, but more accurately 3 pieces.  The southern portion you mention, as well as noblesville to marion, then the ft wayne portion.

It seems like INDOT has an aversion to renumbering highways even though the through-route concept behind the original corridor(s) has clearly passed its "sell-by" date!   Fishers-Marion could easily be something else (15 extension?  the long-missing 21?), while the Ft. Wayne section, long isolated, might simply be an eastern section of IN 14.  Otherwise the retention of IN 37 on these stretches is at least silly and at worst delusional!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 04, 2020, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: sparker on February 04, 2020, 02:40:36 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 03, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 03, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
37 will still be active in the southern part of the state

Correct, but more accurately 3 pieces.  The southern portion you mention, as well as noblesville to marion, then the ft wayne portion.

It seems like INDOT has an aversion to renumbering highways even though the through-route concept behind the original corridor(s) has clearly passed its "sell-by" date!   Fishers-Marion could easily be something else (15 extension?  the long-missing 21?), while the Ft. Wayne section, long isolated, might simply be an eastern section of IN 14.  Otherwise the retention of IN 37 on these stretches is at least silly and at worst delusional!

I've always thought they should extend US 131 down to indy from michigan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Finrod on February 04, 2020, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: sparker on February 04, 2020, 02:40:36 AM
It seems like INDOT has an aversion to renumbering highways even though the through-route concept behind the original corridor(s) has clearly passed its "sell-by" date!   Fishers-Marion could easily be something else (15 extension?  the long-missing 21?), while the Ft. Wayne section, long isolated, might simply be an eastern section of IN 14.  Otherwise the retention of IN 37 on these stretches is at least silly and at worst delusional!

Indiana seems to have a long history of splitting up previously contiguous state highways into disjoint pieces that stick around forever.  Just look at SR 43 for an example.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on February 04, 2020, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: Finrod on February 04, 2020, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: sparker on February 04, 2020, 02:40:36 AM
It seems like INDOT has an aversion to renumbering highways even though the through-route concept behind the original corridor(s) has clearly passed its "sell-by" date!   Fishers-Marion could easily be something else (15 extension?  the long-missing 21?), while the Ft. Wayne section, long isolated, might simply be an eastern section of IN 14.  Otherwise the retention of IN 37 on these stretches is at least silly and at worst delusional!

Indiana seems to have a long history of splitting up previously contiguous state highways into disjoint pieces that stick around forever.  Just look at SR 43 for an example.

They also have a number of highways with the same number that had never been connected together.  IN 48 is one of those, with three distinct sections:

A 30 mile western section between IN 63 south of Fairbanks and IN 157 north of Worthington. 
A 6 mile center section between IN 43 in Whitehall and I-69 in Bloomington.  I've heard rumors of this section being decommissioned.
A 26 mile eastern section between IN 229 east of Napoleon and US 50 in Lawrenceburg.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 05, 2020, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: sparker on February 04, 2020, 02:40:36 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 03, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 03, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
37 will still be active in the southern part of the state

Correct, but more accurately 3 pieces.  The southern portion you mention, as well as noblesville to marion, then the ft wayne portion.

It seems like INDOT has an aversion to renumbering highways even though the through-route concept behind the original corridor(s) has clearly passed its "sell-by" date!   Fishers-Marion could easily be something else (15 extension?  the long-missing 21?), while the Ft. Wayne section, long isolated, might simply be an eastern section of IN 14.  Otherwise the retention of IN 37 on these stretches is at least silly and at worst delusional!

Renumbering highways sounds like a no-brainer to roadgeeks, but it's an unnecessary expense to the state and can be confusing to the general public.  Most people don't travel enough of the state to even know about a lot of the disjointed sections. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on February 10, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
I wonder if they are going to rename the 39 connector from 37 to 67 once they widen it
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 10, 2020, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 10, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
I wonder if they are going to rename the 39 connector from 37 to 67 once they widen it

no it's still going to be SR 39 to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on February 11, 2020, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 10, 2020, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on February 10, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
I wonder if they are going to rename the 39 connector from 37 to 67 once they widen it

no it's still going to be SR 39 to my knowledge.
You can see his reasoning though. SR 39 could be truncated to the north end of its concurrency with SR 67, and 37 could take over the connector and run concurrent with I-69 to Bloomington. The signage on 69 is already there and wouldn't need to be changed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on February 11, 2020, 02:05:33 PM
State Road 139 has a nice ring to it!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 19, 2020, 03:41:25 AM
A little late in posting this, but better late than never. Late last month, INDOT let another contract for Section 6. Contract #33541 is for new local access, or frontage, roads between Martinsville and the Morgan/Johnson county line, as well as several new overpasses and bridges. Now official, the contract was awarded to Crider and Crider, a firm headquartered in Bloomington. Previously, Crider was the prime contractor of three segments of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project, including the I-69/SR 37 interchange. In addition, they were one of the principal subs of Section 5. This contract does not involve work upgrading SR 37 to I-69. That will be included in another contract to be awarded in November of 2020.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49555968572_75208795b2_b.jpg)
Courtesy INDOT

Here's what Contract #33541 encompasses:

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Courtesy INDOT

Crider and Crider will commence work this spring. Walsh Construction, too, will be kicking off bridge and mainline work in Martinsville soon, if they haven't already. In about a year, SR 37 will be closed completely between SR 39 and the SR 37/Morgan Street intersection just north of Martinsville.

Link: INDOT 2020 Lettings https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/index.html


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on February 19, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Two questions for ITB:
1. What does PR stand for in PR-69? Primary Route?
2. Is the Grand South Valley Street Boulevard bridge complete yet, and which road name will be carried across it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 20, 2020, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: X99 on February 19, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Two questions for ITB:
1. What does PR stand for in PR-69? Primary Route?
2. Is the Grand South Valley Street Boulevard bridge complete yet, and which road name will be carried across it?

PR stands for "Proposed." Not absolutely certain about that, so if anyone knows differently, please chime in.

The Grand Valley Boulevard overpass is still under construction. Seven weeks ago when I went for a look-see, the bridge deck had not yet been poured. Pouring the deck during wintertime can be risky, as the concrete needs to cure properly. If it doesn't, it's a major screw up, costing hundreds of thousands to redo. If I had to guess, I'd say Milestone, the contractor, found a few temperate days either in late January or February to do the pour. Then again, maybe not. Deck pour or not, the overpass is nearing completion. Hard to say when it might open to traffic, but June-ish, give or take a few weeks seems about right. Could be earlier if the deck pour is now complete.

I believe the overpass will be signed Grand Valley Boulevard, but others may have more precise information. Again, if so, please chime in.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 22, 2020, 10:54:35 PM

Because the weather was good, I motored up to Martinsville to see if work had commenced on the mainline Martinsville segment. Nope. Not yet. Probably get underway next month. I checked out the new Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. It's nearing completion, although the deck pour has yet to take place.

A few pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, February 22, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

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The overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over SR 37 (future Interstate 69) in Martinsville, Morgan County, Indiana; looking northwest.

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Another perspective of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass; looking east. With rebar in place, everything appears ready for the big deck pour; just waiting for temperatures to tick up a few more degrees.

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Looking north toward SR 37 (future Interstate 69) from the overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over I-69.

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The approach to the overpass from South Street in Martinsville; looking east.

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Different perspective of the bridge deck rebar; looking east.

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Another view of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass; looking east.

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Different perspective view of the overpass and work zone; looking southeast. Note the rigging on the bridge in preparation for the deck pour.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49572238187_3e5dd6dc16_k.jpg)
And one last one. Road Closed! Looking east toward the overpass from near South Street in Martinsville.

Construction activity on the mainline Martinsville segment will be starting soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 24, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
https://www.courierpress.com/story/opinion/columnists/jon-webb/2020/02/24/road-project-could-massively-change-southern-indiana/4831438002/

US 231 may be a 4 lane divided highway to i-69 one day.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on February 24, 2020, 07:03:56 PM
^

Has it been determined whether it would be built as a freeway or expressway yet?

The study posted on the article mentions both alternatives. They have the same cross-sections and design speeds, the only difference is access (interchange vs. at-grade) controls.

If it's anything like the segment from I-64 to Owensboro already completed, it will be expressway.

The expressway appears to work fine, though my only gripe with it is speed limits. The design speed for the roadway is 70 mph, and the realistic speed limit for the road should be at minimum 65 mph, preferably 70 mph. However, due to state law, it is restricted at a maximum of 60 mph. Especially if a long-distance corridor is built to these high quality expressway standards (limited-access but with intersections), the speed limit law should be modified to at least allow 65 mph. This applies to non-limited-access highways as well such as US-24, US-30, and US-31.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on February 24, 2020, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 24, 2020, 07:03:56 PM
^

Has it been determined whether it would be built as a freeway or expressway yet?

The study posted on the article mentions both alternatives. They have the same cross-sections and design speeds, the only difference is access (interchange vs. at-grade) controls.

If it's anything like the segment from I-64 to Owensboro already completed, it will be expressway.

The expressway appears to work fine, though my only gripe with it is speed limits. The design speed for the roadway is 70 mph, and the realistic speed limit for the road should be at minimum 65 mph, preferably 70 mph. However, due to state law, it is restricted at a maximum of 60 mph. Especially if a long-distance corridor is built to these high quality expressway standards (limited-access but with intersections), the speed limit law should be modified to at least allow 65 mph. This applies to non-limited-access highways as well such as US-24, US-30, and US-31.

Last I checked, they're still looking at a Super 2, as well, and in most places along the route, that would probably work just fine, particularly if there was consideration given to using alternating passing lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on February 24, 2020, 07:10:05 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on February 24, 2020, 07:06:55 PM
particularly if there was consideration given to using alternating passing lanes.
According to the study, a Super-2 would be built as a 3-lane roadway with the center lane alternating every few miles. The design speed would be 70 mph, though due to state law, wouldn't ever be posted above 55 mph despite being able to safely handle it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on February 25, 2020, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 24, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
https://www.courierpress.com/story/opinion/columnists/jon-webb/2020/02/24/road-project-could-massively-change-southern-indiana/4831438002/

US 231 may be a 4 lane divided highway to i-69 one day.

This is discussed in  another thread for Mid-states corridor.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25352.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25352.0)
The US 231 option is still being  considered  for super 2, expressway or interstate. Preferred route expected  to be announced  late 2020.

Other options  still open are roads  to Washington,  Loogootee/Bedford,  or French Lick/ Mitchell
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on March 23, 2020, 06:48:16 PM
Note to whoever labeled the Grand Valley overpass on Google Maps: it's not open yet, and you forgot to remove the SR 37 intersection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on March 25, 2020, 06:40:42 PM
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1242869163632341000
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on March 26, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
who puts action movie music over a bridge deck pour video
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on March 26, 2020, 01:29:12 PM
Quote from: X99 on March 26, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
who puts action movie music over a bridge deck pour video

.......sounds more like "industrial rock" than any film score.  Had a co-worker several years ago who seemed to listen to the stuff 24/7 -- got more than a bit annoying rather quickly.   Luckily he "ceased & desisted" on his own before the matter went upstairs!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on March 27, 2020, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on March 25, 2020, 06:40:42 PM
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1242869163632341000
Those workers pour on the deck don't look like they were six feet apart to me!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 19, 2020, 04:47:37 PM
Headed up to Martinsville and Morgan County for a look-see. Construction is well underway on Section 6 in Morgan County and is continuing despite the COVID-19 crisis.

Let's go to the pics. Photos were taken Saturday, April 18, 2020, unless other noted. To expand the photos, Right Click and follow your browser prompts.

Egbert Road overpass, Morgan County
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North of Martinsville, Indiana, in Morgan County, the rebar cages for the middle piers of the overpass that will carry Egbert Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69); looking slightly northeast. Although signs for a Marathon Service Station still stand, the station itself, previously located where the piping now lays, has been completely demolished.

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Closer look at the rebar cages for Egbert Road overpass; looking northeast. Southbound SR 37 is on the left. Around the roadway's bend in the background is the location of the future Henderson Ford Road overpass and interchange.

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Another perspective of the work underway at the Egbert Road overpass work zone; looking east.

Henderson Ford Road overpass (future interchange), Morgan County
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Piling driving for the Henderson Ford Road overpass in Morgan County, Indiana; looking east. Under the current construction contract (#33541), only the overpass and the future interchange roundabouts, one on each side of the overpass, will be built. The interchange ramps, along with the reconstruction of the mainline in this vicinity, will be built under another contract (#41542), to be let November, 18, 2020, almost exactly seven months from now.

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Another perspective of the Henderson Ford Road work zone; looking slightly southeast.

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Slightly closer look at the pile driving for the north abutment of the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking slightly southeast. To the south, Henderson Ford Road will be extended to Centennial Road, thus forming a four-way intersection with Egbert Road. If interested, see the map here: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Map%203%20Country%20Club%20Road%20to%20Ennis%20Road.pdf  (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Map%203%20Country%20Club%20Road%20to%20Ennis%20Road.pdf)

Note: Although the map shows a diamond interchange without roundabouts, more recent constructions drawings indicate the I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange will feature roundabouts.

Perry Road overpass, Morgan County
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Pile driving for the overpass that will carry Perry Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County, Indiana; looking slightly southeast. The Perry Road overpass is located roughly two miles up SR 37 from the Henderson Ford Road overpass and future interchange. The new overpass will allow Perry Road traffic to reach Old State Road 37 in Waverly and then access Interstate 69 at the future State Road 144/I-69 interchange. Here's the map: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Map%204%20Ennis%20Road%20to%20Big%20Bend%20Road.pdf

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The crane and pile driving rigging at the Perry Road overpass work zone; looking southeast.

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Another perspective of the Perry Road overpass work zone; looking slightly southeast. In the foreground is the arm of an excavator.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 from near the Perry Road overpass work zone. The area between Martinsville, Indiana, and State Road 144, about 10 miles to the north, remains primarily rural farmland. The terrain is generally flat. To the right, out of the frame, runs the White River. The acreage west of SR 37 in this vicinity, while farmed, is floodplain. Almost any future development in this area, whether a year from now or 20, will be situated east of Interstate 69.

At this time, all four mainline overpass components of Contract #33541 – Egbert Road, Henderson Ford Road, Perry Road and Waverly Road – are under construction. Because work just recently commenced at the Waverly Road/SR 37 crossing, no pictures as yet. Contract #33541 was awarded to Crider and Crider, Inc., a Bloomington based contractor. Crider was the main subcontractor of Section 5, and built, as well, the I-69/SR 37 interchange south of Bloomington, along with another Section 4 segment further southwest. The work under #33541 encompasses the four overpasses mentioned above as well as new frontage, or service, roads, and their respective bridges and culverts, in Morgan County.

More pictures to come.

Edit: grammar; added the Note in regards to the map.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 19, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Thanks for the updates, ITB!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 20, 2020, 01:47:43 AM
I know it's way too late to consider such an idea but with the lower traffic counts so far, but I wonder if this might have been a better year to close SR 37 through Martinsville. I know there's way too much to still do before such a closure was possible.

Still, I was surprised to see bridge work starting along SR 37 north of Martinsville, I didn't think that would happen until the mainline started getting worked on.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 20, 2020, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 20, 2020, 01:47:43 AM
I know it's way too late to consider such an idea but with the lower traffic counts so far, but I wonder if this might have been a better year to close SR 37 through Martinsville. I know there's way too much to still do before such a closure was possible.

Still, I was surprised to see bridge work starting along SR 37 north of Martinsville, I didn't think that would happen until the mainline started getting worked on.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they can get ahead on some of the next year's work so they don't have to close 37 as long.

I'm interested in seeing if Contracts 4 and 5 are still going to be let this fall like they have on their site (https://i69finishline.com/maps/).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 20, 2020, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 20, 2020, 01:47:43 AM
I know it's way too late to consider such an idea but with the lower traffic counts so far, but I wonder if this might have been a better year to close SR 37 through Martinsville. I know there's way too much to still do before such a closure was possible.

Ideally, considering the current situation, closing SR 37 this year rather than next would have been better. However, as you point out, a lot has to be done before the closure, and it's just too late now to significantly adjust the schedule.

Quote from: tdindy88 on April 20, 2020, 01:47:43 AMStill, I was surprised to see bridge work starting along SR 37 north of Martinsville, I didn't think that would happen until the mainline started getting worked on.

The goal of the overpass and frontage road work currently underway north of Martinsville is to ensure continued access and mobility for residents as mainline I-69 work ramps up next year. Next spring, when mainline construction kicks off in Morgan County, access points to SR 37 will be sealed off, one by one. Residents still must be able to get around, so the plan is to have the frontage roads and overpasses finished prior to these closures.

Quote from: mvak36 on April 20, 2020, 10:31:52 AM
I'm interested in seeing if Contracts 4 and 5 are still going to be let this fall like they have on their site (https://i69finishline.com/maps/).

Contract No. 4 (#41542), the fourth of the five contracts for Section 6, is scheduled to be let November 18, 2020. The letting most likely will go as planned. However, as the current situation is unprecedented, nothing is set in stone. Contract No. 5 has yet to be placed on INDOT's 18 month letting schedule, but probably will be listed in the next 3-4 months, with letting planned for late 2020 or early 2021.

Quote from: SSR_317 on April 19, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Thanks for the updates, ITB!

Glad the photos were of interest.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 20, 2020, 07:19:24 PM

Here's a few more pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, April 18, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

I-69, Section 6, Morgan County
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Looking north from near the intersection of State Road 37 and County Club Road just north of Martinsville, Indiana, toward a work zone where earth work is underway to construct a new frontage, or service, road. The new road will link into a segment of Old State Road 37, located just beyond the crest of the hill in the background. That segment of Old SR 37 is planned connect with the Egbert Road I-69 overpass (pictured in the earlier set of photos).

See the map here: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Contracts-3-and-4.pdf  Although County Club Road is not identified on the map, it's located between Myra Lane and Teeter Road just above the I-69 shield.

Henderson Ford Road overpass work zone
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Official and legal notices posted at the Henderson Ford Road work zone, north of Martinsville, Indiana.

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Posted document at the Henderson Ford Road work zone listing wage rates for Contract #33541.

Grand Valley Blvd. overpass, Martinsville, Indiana
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The overpass that will carry Grand Valley Blvd. over SR 37 in Martinsville; looking east. The overpass is expected to complete and be opened to traffic in late spring.

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Looking east toward where the new overpass will connect to Grand Valley Blvd., east of SR 37.

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Formwork for the north sidewall of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass; looking east.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass toward State Road 37. In the background is the SR 37/SR 252 intersection where an interchange is be constructed. Prep work is underway.

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Looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass toward State Road 37. Just around the bend in the background is the SR 37/Ohio Street intersection which will be converted to an interchange. Prep work is underway.

Because time was short I didn't go into Martinsville proper to check out work that is underway on Morton Street and SR 39. At this time, too, crews for Walsh Construction and its subs are prepping the area in and around the SR 37/SR 39 interchange for full blown construction of the new interchange there. Also, planned to commence soon is reconstruction of the mainline bridges over Indian Creek south of Martinsville. Everybody, please take care. Stay safe!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on April 21, 2020, 10:26:55 AM
Will the Evansville bridge be done by 2030?

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on April 22, 2020, 10:46:59 AM
I imagine there will be a frontage road where the Ford dealership is? It wouldn't make sense to not have any kind of outlet from the dealership to the main road without something direct to the side of it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 22, 2020, 11:11:06 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 22, 2020, 10:46:59 AM
I imagine there will be a frontage road where the Ford dealership is? It wouldn't make sense to not have any kind of outlet from the dealership to the main road without something direct to the side of it.
There's currently no direct access from the dealership to SH-37, it has back access. A frontage road from the Ohio St interchange will provide access to the back access in.

https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Map%201%20Indian%20Creek%20to%20Grand%20Valley%20Boulevard.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on April 22, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Just curious, and perhaps this has been mentioned before.  With all of the difficulty in having to close up the road for one year, threading the needle between the commercial establishments and the high school, etc, were there any cost estimations for planning I-69 out beyond Martinsville to avoid all of the headaches of the current footprint, and how much more would that have cost?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 22, 2020, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 22, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Just curious, and perhaps this has been mentioned before.  With all of the difficulty in having to close up the road for one year, threading the needle between the commercial establishments and the high school, etc, were there any cost estimations for planning I-69 out beyond Martinsville to avoid all of the headaches of the current footprint, and how much more would that have cost?
IIRC, a new location proposal would've left SH-37 north of Martinsville, and tied into I-70 near Mooresville. This was met with opposition though, and they ended up just staying on the existing alignment.

Mooresville Alignments - https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Alt_D_MAP.pdf   ///   https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Alt_B_MAP.pdf
All potential alignments -
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 22, 2020, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2020, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 22, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Just curious, and perhaps this has been mentioned before.  With all of the difficulty in having to close up the road for one year, threading the needle between the commercial establishments and the high school, etc, were there any cost estimations for planning I-69 out beyond Martinsville to avoid all of the headaches of the current footprint, and how much more would that have cost?
IIRC, a new location proposal would've left SH-37 north of Martinsville, and tied into I-70 near Mooresville. This was met with opposition though, and they ended up just staying on the existing alignment.

Mooresville Alignments - https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Alt_D_MAP.pdf   ///   https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Alt_B_MAP.pdf
All potential alignments -
(https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/i-69-routes-e1448944516710_39544263_ver1.0.jpg)

There are still plans to bring Ronald Reagan Parkway/Ameriplex Parkway down further south to connect with a I-69 arterial. Last I looked it was planned as far as Mann Road. There was some debate on where/how it would cross the White River to reach I-69. I think it was going to be Smith Valley Road since it goes all the way to I-65 in Greenwood. I will have to go back and look at the I-69 layout for that area.

When they finish the RRP all the way to Whitestown Parkway and I-65, this would be a westside arterial to the southside without using I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 22, 2020, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 22, 2020, 03:27:47 PM
There are still plans to bring Ronald Reagan Parkway/Ameriplex Parkway down further south to connect with a I-69 arterial. Last I looked it was planned as far as Mann Road. There was some debate on where/how it would cross the White River to reach I-69. I think it was going to be Smith Valley Road since it goes all the way to I-65 in Greenwood. I will have to go back and look at the I-69 layout for that area.

The plan from the city of Indianapolis is to have Ameriplex Parkway connect with Mann Road at its intersection with Southport Road, which heads east across the White River and a future interchange with Interstate 69. At some point it may be prudent to widen Southport to four lanes (including a new bridge) if this kind of routing ever becomes a reality.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 23, 2020, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 22, 2020, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 22, 2020, 03:27:47 PM
There are still plans to bring Ronald Reagan Parkway/Ameriplex Parkway down further south to connect with a I-69 arterial. Last I looked it was planned as far as Mann Road. There was some debate on where/how it would cross the White River to reach I-69. I think it was going to be Smith Valley Road since it goes all the way to I-65 in Greenwood. I will have to go back and look at the I-69 layout for that area.

The plan from the city of Indianapolis is to have Ameriplex Parkway connect with Mann Road at its intersection with Southport Road, which heads east across the White River and a future interchange with Interstate 69. At some point it may be prudent to widen Southport to four lanes (including a new bridge) if this kind of routing ever becomes a reality.

For those interested in the proposed Ameriplex Parkway extension, here's a study prepared by HNTB in 2017: https://citybase-cms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2326378afe1a4a82a5a8acacad23eba3.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 23, 2020, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on April 21, 2020, 10:26:55 AM
Will the Evansville bridge be done by 2030?

SM-G950U
As the Record of Decision has yet to be issued, the schedule of the I-69 ORX project remains in flux. But, yes, in all likelihood, the new I-69 bridge should be completed by 2030. We'll have a better sense of the schedule when the ROD is released. That should happen either this year or next, barring unforeseen complications.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 23, 2020, 03:02:26 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 22, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Just curious, and perhaps this has been mentioned before.  With all of the difficulty in having to close up the road for one year, threading the needle between the commercial establishments and the high school, etc, were there any cost estimations for planning I-69 out beyond Martinsville to avoid all of the headaches of the current footprint, and how much more would that have cost?

What you're wondering, I assume, is whether a Martinsville bypass was ever considered for Interstate 69. Although I don't know if such a route was ever evaluated, I would guess it was briefly looked at. To better understand the decision to utilize SR 37, it helps to look back a few decades. Forty years ago, SR 37 was the Martinsville bypass. There was almost nothing built east of the highway – no Walmart, no Ford dealership, no fast food places. It was still mainly farmland. A lot of growth has transpired since then, but Martinsville proper, the heart of the town, still sits where it always has – west of SR 37 – thus, the highway, in a way, now goes through town, rather than around. Same thing happened in Bloomington, but to a lesser extent.

A new bypass of Martinsville would, by necessity, have to built east of town, perhaps as much as a mile or so further east of SR 37. The reason for this is the White River and its floodplain, which border the western edges of Martinsville. While the White isn't a particularly large waterway when compared to others such as the Ohio, it floods, as all rivers do, from time to time. Building a bypass to carry I-69 near or on an actual floodplain in Martinsville would be challenging and very expensive. It's doable, to be sure, but other options generally rule out a western route. The issues with a new eastern bypass is the carving up of new terrain and the probable hefty cost. There's a reason why there's only one major north-south road between Indianapolis and Bloomington – SR 37 – and that's rock. In this area of Indiana and among its rolling hills, thick, tough rock is found just below the surface. Blasting it out for a roadway is, to say politely, damn expensive. Doable, of course, but at what cost.

So, there lies State Road 37, a divided four-lane highway, running right through the town of Martinsville. After an thorough evaluation of a myriad of options, it really was a no-brainer decision to upgrade SR 37. The decision to close the highway in Martinsville for one construction season, I imagine, wasn't a easy one. And, yes, the road could be kept open. But instead of two years of construction, it would have been three or more. So there was a trade off. Was it the right decision? We'll see. Personally, I'm a little uneasy. I'd feel better if, somehow, truckers could be induced to avoid the area entirely. Hopefully, as the construction unfolds, people will understand and make the necessary travel adjustments; nevertheless, the first month of the closure will undoubtedly test the patience of many.

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This is the view looking north toward SR 37 and the SR 37/SR 252 intersection.  Plans are for Interstate 69 to go over SR 252 at the I-69/SR 252 interchange. That means significantly building up the ground in that vicinity for both mainline and ramps. That's the primary reason why SR 37 is to be closed; that, and the ground buildup and the realignment of Sartor Ditch in the vicinity of the new interchange at Ohio Street. There the ground will be built up to prevent any potential flooding of Sartor Ditch from severing the interstate, which is what happened in 2008 when water severed SR 37. In the deep background at the crest of the hill is the SR 37/SR 44 intersection. SR 44 will go over I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 23, 2020, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: ITB on April 23, 2020, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 22, 2020, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 22, 2020, 03:27:47 PM
There are still plans to bring Ronald Reagan Parkway/Ameriplex Parkway down further south to connect with a I-69 arterial. Last I looked it was planned as far as Mann Road. There was some debate on where/how it would cross the White River to reach I-69. I think it was going to be Smith Valley Road since it goes all the way to I-65 in Greenwood. I will have to go back and look at the I-69 layout for that area.

The plan from the city of Indianapolis is to have Ameriplex Parkway connect with Mann Road at its intersection with Southport Road, which heads east across the White River and a future interchange with Interstate 69. At some point it may be prudent to widen Southport to four lanes (including a new bridge) if this kind of routing ever becomes a reality.


For those interested in the proposed Ameriplex Parkway extension, here's a study prepared by HNTB in 2017: https://citybase-cms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2326378afe1a4a82a5a8acacad23eba3.pdf

Thanks for the link. I just couldn't remember which E/W arterial they were going to connect it with. (Southport)  I recall a lot of discussion in a public hearing about a bridge upgrade over the White River, but couldn't remember which route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on April 23, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
Looks like IN 67 To IN 39 would be a good detour during the closure?

I'm sure a lot of people will go I-65 to Columbus then over to Blomington.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on April 23, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on April 23, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
Looks like IN 67 To IN 39 would be a good detour during the closure?

I'm sure a lot of people will go I-65 to Columbus then over to Blomington.

SM-G950U
I doubt too many from Bloomington will go over to Columbus.  I would think more likely you will see the Martinsville Hwy 39 cut through and then go up IN-67 or IN-46 to Spencer, US-231 to Cloverdale, and then I-70 into Indy.  Too many curves and slow traveling vehicles in and around Nashville, IN.

Shout out to ITB.  Thanks for the photos.  I had also forgotten about the rock even up in that area.  I've been driving all for the different ways from So Indiana to Indianapolis for 40 years, am just so, so glad that the time has been cut, and no longer have to worry about looking for cars with lights on the roof or embedded in the grille while I try to make decent time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on April 23, 2020, 01:26:25 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 23, 2020, 03:02:26 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 22, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Just curious, and perhaps this has been mentioned before.  With all of the difficulty in having to close up the road for one year, threading the needle between the commercial establishments and the high school, etc, were there any cost estimations for planning I-69 out beyond Martinsville to avoid all of the headaches of the current footprint, and how much more would that have cost?

What you're wondering, I assume, is whether a Martinsville bypass was ever considered for Interstate 69. Although I don't know if such a route was ever evaluated, I would guess it was briefly looked at. To better understand the decision to utilize SR 37, it helps to look back a few decades. Forty years ago, SR 37 was the Martinsville bypass. There was almost nothing built east of the highway – no Walmart, no Ford dealership, no fast food places. It was still mainly farmland. A lot of growth has transpired since then, but Martinsville proper, the heart of the town, still sits where it always has – west of SR 37 – thus, the highway, in a way, now goes through town, rather than around. Same thing happened in Bloomington, but to a lesser extent.

A new bypass of Martinsville would, by necessity, have to built east of town, perhaps as much as a mile or so further east of SR 37. The reason for this is the White River and its floodplain, which border the western edges of Martinsville. While the White isn't a particularly large waterway when compared to others such as the Ohio, it floods, as all rivers do, from time to time. Building a bypass to carry I-69 near or on an actual floodplain in Martinsville would be challenging and very expensive. It's doable, to be sure, but other options generally rule out a western route. The issues with a new eastern bypass is the carving up of new terrain and the probable hefty cost. There's a reason why there's only one major north-south road between Indianapolis and Bloomington – SR 37 – and that's rock. In this area of Indiana and among its rolling hills, thick, tough rock is found just below the surface. Blasting it out for a roadway is, to say politely, damn expensive. Doable, of course, but at what cost.

So, there lies State Road 37, a divided four-lane highway, running right through the town of Martinsville. After an thorough evaluation of a myriad of options, it really was a no-brainer decision to upgrade SR 37. The decision to close the highway in Martinsville for one construction season, I imagine, wasn't a easy one. And, yes, the road could be kept open. But instead of two years of construction, it would have been three or more. So there was a trade off. Was it the right decision? We'll see. Personally, I'm a little uneasy. I'd feel better if, somehow, truckers could be induced to avoid the area entirely. Hopefully, as the construction unfolds, people will understand and make the necessary travel adjustments; nevertheless, the first month of the closure will undoubtedly test the patience of many.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49791452858_a73aeaf4a1_k.jpg)
This is the view looking north toward SR 37 and the SR 37/SR 252 intersection.  Plans are for Interstate 69 to go over SR 252 at the I-69/SR 252 interchange. That means significantly building up the ground in that vicinity for both mainline and ramps. That's the primary reason why SR 37 is to be closed; that, and the ground buildup and the realignment of Sartor Ditch in the vicinity of the new interchange at Ohio Street. There the ground will be built up to prevent any potential flooding of Sartor Ditch from severing the interstate, which is what happened in 2008 when water severed SR 37. In the deep background at the crest of the hill is the SR 37/SR 44 intersection. SR 44 will go over I-69.

It's too bad that the project couldn't have started a year earlier so that the closure could fall when everyone is staying home anyways due to coronavirus.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 23, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 23, 2020, 03:02:26 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 22, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Just curious, and perhaps this has been mentioned before.  With all of the difficulty in having to close up the road for one year, threading the needle between the commercial establishments and the high school, etc, were there any cost estimations for planning I-69 out beyond Martinsville to avoid all of the headaches of the current footprint, and how much more would that have cost?

What you're wondering, I assume, is whether a Martinsville bypass was ever considered for Interstate 69. Although I don't know if such a route was ever evaluated, I would guess it was briefly looked at. To better understand the decision to utilize SR 37, it helps to look back a few decades. Forty years ago, SR 37 was the Martinsville bypass. There was almost nothing built east of the highway – no Walmart, no Ford dealership, no fast food places. It was still mainly farmland. A lot of growth has transpired since then, but Martinsville proper, the heart of the town, still sits where it always has – west of SR 37 – thus, the highway, in a way, now goes through town, rather than around. Same thing happened in Bloomington, but to a lesser extent.

A new bypass of Martinsville would, by necessity, have to built east of town, perhaps as much as a mile or so further east of SR 37. The reason for this is the White River and its floodplain, which border the western edges of Martinsville. While the White isn't a particularly large waterway when compared to others such as the Ohio, it floods, as all rivers do, from time to time. Building a bypass to carry I-69 near or on an actual floodplain in Martinsville would be challenging and very expensive. It's doable, to be sure, but other options generally rule out a western route. The issues with a new eastern bypass is the carving up of new terrain and the probable hefty cost. There's a reason why there's only one major north-south road between Indianapolis and Bloomington – SR 37 – and that's rock. In this area of Indiana and among its rolling hills, thick, tough rock is found just below the surface. Blasting it out for a roadway is, to say politely, damn expensive. Doable, of course, but at what cost.

So, there lies State Road 37, a divided four-lane highway, running right through the town of Martinsville. After an thorough evaluation of a myriad of options, it really was a no-brainer decision to upgrade SR 37. The decision to close the highway in Martinsville for one construction season, I imagine, wasn't a easy one. And, yes, the road could be kept open. But instead of two years of construction, it would have been three or more. So there was a trade off. Was it the right decision? We'll see. Personally, I'm a little uneasy. I'd feel better if, somehow, truckers could be induced to avoid the area entirely. Hopefully, as the construction unfolds, people will understand and make the necessary travel adjustments; nevertheless, the first month of the closure will undoubtedly test the patience of many.
Another aspect of the pre-existing SH-37 Martinsville bypass is that while it does have developing backing it, the road itself does have limited access. This makes the upgrade process significantly easier not having to acquire as much right of way, building continuous frontage roads, eliminating access, etc. The only work is upgrading the roadway to interstate standard, constructing a few interchanges, and a few frontage roads here and there where needed. Additionally, I believe the project will widen that section to 6 lanes (?) which isn't needed to achieve interstate status, rather for traffic demand - the same reason it was widened along the pre-existing SH-37 Bloomington bypass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 23, 2020, 05:34:18 PM
Maps from the Section 6 FEIS that depict the various alternatives for I-69, and their elimination from consideration for one reason or another.

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An eastern bypass of Martinsville (Alternative N, Figure 3-4) was indeed examined. But it was dropped from further consideration due "to  environmental  impacts and lack of agency and community support." The western alternative that began south of Martinsville at SR 37 (Alternative P, Figure 3-4) was eliminated "due to impacts to wetlands, forested lands, floodways and Meyer Nature Preserve without commensurate benefits in performance."

Alternative M (Figure 3-3), looks very similar to the plans to extend Ameriplex Parkway to the Southport and Mann Road intersection. That project, now dubbed Decatur Direct: Connecting the Community, is currently in design, with right-of-way acquisition scheduled to begin the middle of 2021. A link to the project website can be found below.

As we all know, of the five preliminary alternatives extensively reviewed (Figure 3-5), Option C (State Road 37), was ultimately selected.

Link: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I69S6FEIS_Ch3_Alternatives.pdf

Link: Decatur Direct https://www.decaturdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Ameriplex-Parkway-02-18-20-0925-2.pdf

Edit: grammar
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 23, 2020, 09:08:46 PM
I think, even if I-69 did not exist, SR 37 would have been turned into a freeway between Indy and Bloomington at some point. There are two major highways that aren't interstates radiating out from Indianapolis, US 31 to the north and SR 37 to the south. I figure by this point there would have been a push to turn SR 37 similar to what was done to US 31 north of Indy.

At the very minimum I would guess that SR 37 from the Walnut Street intersection south of Bloomington north to the present location of the Walnut Street exit to the north, and potentially up toward Sample Road would have still become a freeway. The section around Martinsville could have had SR 37 arc around the east of the city, a la the Kokomo bypass, and the stretch from SR 144 north to I-465 would have become a freeway like the current US 31 through Carmel and Westfield. And if Indiana wanted to be cheap they could have kept the rest of the highway an expressway with free-flowing traffic with the "promise" that the gaps would have been filled in later.

Alas, we'll just have to settle for the whole highway becoming a freeway. Oh well :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Phone_Harold on April 24, 2020, 06:37:19 PM
I think, even if I-69 did not exist, SR 37 would have been turned into a freeway between Indy and Bloomington at some point. There are two major highways that aren't interstates radiating out from Indianapolis, US 31 to the north and SR 37 to the south. I figure by this point there would have been a push to turn SR 37 similar to what was done to US 31 north of Indy.

-->  Not in Indiana, they would just add more stoplights :pan:.  SR 37 should have been a freeway in the early 70s when the four laned SR 37 all the way to Mitchel.  Any other state I lived in would have done that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 24, 2020, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 23, 2020, 09:08:46 PM
I think, even if I-69 did not exist, SR 37 would have been turned into a freeway between Indy and Bloomington at some point. There are two major highways that aren't interstates radiating out from Indianapolis, US 31 to the north and SR 37 to the south. I figure by this point there would have been a push to turn SR 37 similar to what was done to US 31 north of Indy.

I agree with this assessment. Over the past 30 years, the population of Bloomington and Monroe County has grown significantly. And, of course, as population has increased so has traffic. There are now a good number of Bloomingtonians who commute daily to jobs in the Indianapolis area. Not that long ago nearly all the SR 37 crossings in Bloomington – SR 46, SR 45, Third Street (SR 48), Tapp Road, Vernal Pike, and others – were at grade. Arlington Road, the principal arterial roadway from Bloomington to Ellettsville and points northwest, was the exception and was carried over SR 37 via an overpass. By the 1980s and 90s, the at-grade intersections were becoming traffic snarled, so interchanges were built at SR 45 (Bloomfield Road), SR 48 (Third Street), and SR 46. With each passing year, it was becoming more apparent that, at some point, SR 37 would become a freeway between Indianapolis and Bloomington. It was just a matter of time.

Edit: grammar
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on April 25, 2020, 07:08:58 PM
What is the detour going to be like- two lane roads through Martinsville, then four lanes down 67?



Quote from: Phone_Harold on April 24, 2020, 06:37:19 PM
I think, even if I-69 did not exist, SR 37 would have been turned into a freeway between Indy and Bloomington at some point. There are two major highways that aren't interstates radiating out from Indianapolis, US 31 to the north and SR 37 to the south. I figure by this point there would have been a push to turn SR 37 similar to what was done to US 31 north of Indy.

-->  Not in Indiana, they would just add more stoplights :pan:.  SR 37 should have been a freeway in the early 70s when the four laned SR 37 all the way to Mitchel.  Any other state I lived in would have done that.
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 25, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: X99 on April 25, 2020, 07:08:58 PM
What is the detour going to be like- two lane roads through Martinsville, then four lanes down 67?

SR 39 through Martinsville will be temporarily configured to have four lanes through town in between SR 37 and SR 67.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on April 25, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 25, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: X99 on April 25, 2020, 07:08:58 PM
What is the detour going to be like- two lane roads through Martinsville, then four lanes down 67?

SR 39 through Martinsville will be temporarily configured to have four lanes through town in between SR 37 and SR 67.

I can't imagine what that'll be like after Hoosier home games.   :wow:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on April 25, 2020, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 25, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 25, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: X99 on April 25, 2020, 07:08:58 PM
What is the detour going to be like- two lane roads through Martinsville, then four lanes down 67?

SR 39 through Martinsville will be temporarily configured to have four lanes through town in between SR 37 and SR 67.

I can't imagine what that'll be like after Hoosier home games.   :wow:

Mike
That's what I was wondering about if they would try to reopen it by Labor Day

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 26, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 25, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: X99 on April 25, 2020, 07:08:58 PM
What is the detour going to be like- two lane roads through Martinsville, then four lanes down 67?

SR 39 through Martinsville will be temporarily configured to have four lanes through town in between SR 37 and SR 67.

For most of its length in Martinsville, SR 39/Morton Ave will be temporarily configured to have four lanes. However, the road will be two lanes in the vicinity of the railroad crossing just north of Mitchell Ave. The reason is that to widen the road at the railroad crossing would have involved another study, which would have taken another year or so to complete. This problem has been known since the project's inception. Yes, it's going to be a choke point – and everyone knows it – but there's little to be done about it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49823719751_22805f1156_b.jpg)
Courtesy INDOT
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 27, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
For reasons unknown to me, Martinsville has no less than 5 auto parts stores on Morton Avenue in less than 1 mile.

CarQuest
NAPA (2 of them)
O'Reilly
AutoZone

For a town that size, that is a lot of car parts being sold.

The funnest place to set up a webcam will be right in front of the Martin County Jail.

That is where the bottleneck at Morgan Street will be.  And I can't wait to see when ISRR (Indiana Southern) will bring a train down.

That will back up the northbound all the way back through town on onto I-69.

I have a feeling the Hardee's on the north side of town is going to do a boomer of business. The McDonalds is too well hidden off Morton.

Either way, slow moving traffic will mean big business for the local retail.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on April 27, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 27, 2020, 01:32:54 PM

The funnest place to set up a webcam will be right in front of the Martin County Jail.


Fun fact, Martinsville is not in Martin County. It is in Morgan County. Martin County is further south with Crane, Loogootee and Shoals.

And webcam in front of its jail would be quite boring.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 28, 2020, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: andy on April 27, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 27, 2020, 01:32:54 PM

The funnest place to set up a webcam will be right in front of the Martin County Jail.


Fun fact, Martinsville is not in Martin County. It is in Morgan County. Martin County is further south with Crane, Loogootee and Shoals.

And webcam in front of its jail would be quite boring.

Thanks for the correction. It is Morgan County!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 29, 2020, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: andy on April 27, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 27, 2020, 01:32:54 PM

The funnest place to set up a webcam will be right in front of the Martin County Jail.


And webcam in front of its jail would be quite boring.

It's where the lanes converge. I figure it will have a host of queue jumpers on the grass, rear enders and other outpourings or road rage as all that northbound traffic navigates Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on April 30, 2020, 12:35:55 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 29, 2020, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: andy on April 27, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 27, 2020, 01:32:54 PM

The funnest place to set up a webcam will be right in front of the Martin County Jail.


And webcam in front of its jail would be quite boring.

It's where the lanes converge. I figure it will have a host of queue jumpers on the grass, rear enders and other outpourings or road rage as all that northbound traffic navigates Martinsville.
True for the Morgan county jail. Not Martin. I was trying to be too clever in my comment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 02, 2020, 03:51:07 AM

Next year, as most of you know, State Road 37 will closed in Martinsville to facilitate the construction of Interstate 69. Traffic will be directed to SR 67 and then down SR 39/Morton Street, which will join SR 37 just south of Martinsville. But, interestingly, a little over a hundred years ago, in 1917, contemporary road guides also strongly recommended motorists take a detour to reach Bloomington.

Scarborough's Official Tour Book 1917 Indiana Ohio Michigan Illinois Wisconsin and Trunk Lines
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The title page of the motoring guide.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49844062143_ad11e0c37b_k.jpg)
In the 1910s, motoring guides in the United States used the word "Trip" and a number to describe how to get from one place to another. As detailed above, to travel from Indianapolis to French Lick, one used Trip 753 via the Dixie Highway. After Martinsville was reached, instead of continuing on the Bloomington on the Dixie, motorists were encouraged to detour to Gosport by way of Trip 761 and then down to Bloomington via Trip 905. All this due to the, ahem, "very rough" nature of the roadway between Martinsville and Bloomington.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49844607771_d5f79ade90_k.jpg)
Continuation of Trip 753 between Martinsville and Bloomington.

Dixie Highway/Old State Road 37 Bridge – Indian Creek
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The bridge that carried the Dixie Highway and later Old State Road 37 over Indian Creek in Morgan County just south of Martinsville. This bridge is denoted in Scarborough's Trip 753 (see 2nd image above) between Martinsville and Bloomington at mile point "3.0 Bridge". Photo was taken August 27, 2017.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4421/36021643254_b28a42f922_k.jpg)
Another perspective of the Indian Creek bridge in Morgan County, Indiana; looking south. August 27, 2017.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 02, 2020, 05:14:20 PM
I believe that bridge over Indian Creek is closed now. Morgan County Highway Department had it down to 3 tons only and then the closed signs popped up.

Last I heard Martinsville wants to save it for a bike trail along I-69.

Is it even there anymore?

**This bridge is no longer in the current National Bridge Inventory database, and has likely been demolished or abandoned**

Good/Fair/Poor Condition:   Poor
Status:   Posted for load [P]
Average daily traffic:   510 [as of 2010]
Truck traffic:   5% of total traffic
Deck condition:   Fair [5 out of 9]
Superstructure condition:   Serious [3 out of 9]
Substructure condition:   Poor [4 out of 9]
Structural appraisal:   Basically intolerable requiring high priority of replacement [2]
Deck geometry appraisal:   Basically intolerable requiring high priority of replacement [2]
Water adequacy appraisal:   Meets minimum tolerable limits to be left in place as is [4]
Roadway alignment appraisal:   Equal to present minimum criteria [6]
Channel protection:   Bank and embankment protection is severely undermined. River control devices have severe damage. Large deposits of debris are in the channel. [4]
Scour condition:   Bridge foundations determined to be stable for assessed or calculated scour conditions; field review indicates action is required. [4]
Sufficiency rating:   16.0
Recommended work:   Replacement of bridge or other structure because of substandard load carrying capacity or substantial bridge roadway geometry. [31]
Estimated cost of work:   $1,455,000
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 03, 2020, 03:24:29 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 02, 2020, 05:14:20 PM
I believe that bridge over Indian Creek is closed now. Morgan County Highway Department had it down to 3 tons only and then the closed signs popped up.

Last I heard Martinsville wants to save it for a bike trail along I-69.

Is it even there anymore?

Yup, it's still there. It's been closed for a few years, and bollards are now in place to prevent vehicular access. As part of Section 6, roadway pavement north of the bridge is to be removed, but the bridge itself will not be touched.

Here's a link to the bridge's listing on BridgeHunter.com:

https://bridgehunter.com/in/morgan/5500142/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
I believe they wanted to wait to finish the highway to Indianapolis in order to sign "Indianapolis" , though realistically it should be allowed to be posted now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 12:29:15 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
I believe they wanted to wait to finish the highway to Indianapolis in order to sign "Indianapolis" , though realistically it should be allowed to be posted now.
Doesn't stop Connecticut from posting Providence for the never finished highway there. They should just sign Bloomington if they really don't want to post Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 01:40:31 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
From the Lloyd Expressway in Evansville (IN 66 where it meets I-69), neither NB nor SB I-69 has a Control City. I assume waiting until the Martinsville to 465 section done to sign Indy for NB, and then for the new Ohio River Bridge to sign, Memphis? for SB
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:58:28 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 01:40:31 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
From the Lloyd Expressway in Evansville (IN 66 where it meets I-69), neither NB nor SB I-69 has a Control City. I assume waiting until the Martinsville to 465 section done to sign Indy for NB, and then for the new Ohio River Bridge to sign, Memphis? for SB
My guess would be either Madisonville or Fulton, as Kentucky has Fulton as a control city for I-69 SB where it makes the turn onto the (former) Western Kentucky/(former) Wendell H. Ford Parkway section.  If I-69 was mostly complete to Memphis, I would want to see Memphis as the control city.  As of now, though, it would probably be Fulton.

Indiana does seem a bit slow in marking control cities on new highways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 07:21:12 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:58:28 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 01:40:31 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
From the Lloyd Expressway in Evansville (IN 66 where it meets I-69), neither NB nor SB I-69 has a Control City. I assume waiting until the Martinsville to 465 section done to sign Indy for NB, and then for the new Ohio River Bridge to sign, Memphis? for SB
My guess would be either Madisonville or Fulton, as Kentucky has Fulton as a control city for I-69 SB where it makes the turn onto the (former) Western Kentucky/(former) Wendell H. Ford Parkway section.  If I-69 was mostly complete to Memphis, I would want to see Memphis as the control city.  As of now, though, it would probably be Fulton.

Indiana does seem a bit slow in marking control cities on new highways.
My thought regarding that: InDOT sometimes seems to prefer larger cities as Controls (or a state, as Ohio on the Toll Road says hello)

On I-65: In-state Lafayette and Columbus, IN are passed over for Chicago and Louisville
On I-74: Champaign and Bloomington, IL are passed over for Peoria, IL

But on the flip side...
On I-70: Dayton, OH is signed
On I-69: NB from Indy, Fort Wayne is signed. From the Toll Road and 469, NB is signed Lansing, MI.

Henderson, KY already appears for 69 SB @ I-64. At other Evansville interchanges, I doubt Henderson stays, but maybe. Nashville would be an All Freeway route from Evansville once the bridge is complete (69->Pennyrile->24), but other than Chicago on I-65, InDOT isn't big on signing a Control that the numbered route does not enter/visit (and even 65 enters the Chicagoland/NW IN metro area)

Kentucky Dam would be possible. It appears as a Control on I-24 in Paducah. Since I-69 is multiplexed onto 24 in the dam area, never know

InDOT could pull an IDOT (along with other DOTs) and use an I-24 shield as a control for I-69 SB from Evansville, as 69 multiplexes continuing SB/WB, or if one continues on the Pennyrile instead of following 69 onto the W KY Pkwy, the Pennyrile terminates at I-24 south of the I-69/Pennyrile/W KY Pkwy interchange. Either way, I-24 appears
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 20, 2020, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 07:21:12 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:58:28 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 01:40:31 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
From the Lloyd Expressway in Evansville (IN 66 where it meets I-69), neither NB nor SB I-69 has a Control City. I assume waiting until the Martinsville to 465 section done to sign Indy for NB, and then for the new Ohio River Bridge to sign, Memphis? for SB
My guess would be either Madisonville or Fulton, as Kentucky has Fulton as a control city for I-69 SB where it makes the turn onto the (former) Western Kentucky/(former) Wendell H. Ford Parkway section.  If I-69 was mostly complete to Memphis, I would want to see Memphis as the control city.  As of now, though, it would probably be Fulton.

Indiana does seem a bit slow in marking control cities on new highways.
My thought regarding that: InDOT sometimes seems to prefer larger cities as Controls (or a state, as Ohio on the Toll Road says hello)

On I-65: In-state Lafayette and Columbus, IN are passed over for Chicago and Louisville
On I-74: Champaign and Bloomington, IL are passed over for Peoria, IL

But on the flip side...
On I-70: Dayton, OH is signed
On I-69: NB from Indy, Fort Wayne is signed. From the Toll Road and 469, NB is signed Lansing, MI.

Henderson, KY already appears for 69 SB @ I-64. At other Evansville interchanges, I doubt Henderson stays, but maybe. Nashville would be an All Freeway route from Evansville once the bridge is complete (69->Pennyrile->24), but other than Chicago on I-65, InDOT isn't big on signing a Control that the numbered route does not enter/visit (and even 65 enters the Chicagoland/NW IN metro area)

Kentucky Dam would be possible. It appears as a Control on I-24 in Paducah. Since I-69 is multiplexed onto 24 in the dam area, never know

InDOT could pull an IDOT (along with other DOTs) and use an I-24 shield as a control for I-69 SB from Evansville, as 69 multiplexes continuing SB/WB, or if one continues on the Pennyrile instead of following 69 onto the W KY Pkwy, the Pennyrile terminates at I-24 south of the I-69/Pennyrile/W KY Pkwy interchange. Either way, I-24 appears

They could also list Memphis as a control city. Is Memphis far away? Yes, but not unprecedented for INDOT, as there are signs on I-80 (Borman Expressway) in northwest Indiana listing Des Moines, IA (about 350 miles away) as the control city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 20, 2020, 08:32:57 AM
I know I mentioned this somewhere else on this thread but personally I think they'll do Henderson on a temporary basis, at least from the Lloyd Expressway south. There's no bloody way they're using Fulton for a control city. Paducah is a small possibility but temporarily I think they'll just use Henderson. You can do far worse than this. Memphis would likely be used in the long-term once the highway's finished in Tennessee. Then again, Nashville's cool to use as well. Maybe they could pull something out of New York and just name the control point Ohio River Bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:52:17 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 20, 2020, 08:32:57 AM
I know I mentioned this somewhere else on this thread but personally I think they'll do Henderson on a temporary basis, at least from the Lloyd Expressway south. There's no bloody way they're using Fulton for a control city. Paducah is a small possibility but temporarily I think they'll just use Henderson. You can do far worse than this. Memphis would likely be used in the long-term once the highway's finished in Tennessee. Then again, Nashville's cool to use as well. Maybe they could pull something out of New York and just name the control point Ohio River Bridge.
What does Kentucky use for I-69 south?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:58:28 AM
as Kentucky has Fulton as a control city for I-69 SB where it makes the turn onto the (former) Western Kentucky/(former) Wendell H. Ford Parkway section.
In Henderson, it's Madisonville for I-69 South.

At the Western Kentucky Pkwy, it's Fulton for I-69 South.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:58:28 AM
as Kentucky has Fulton as a control city for I-69 SB where it makes the turn onto the (former) Western Kentucky/(former) Wendell H. Ford Parkway section.
In Henderson, it's Madisonville for I-69 South.

At the Western Kentucky Pkwy, it's Fulton for I-69 South.
Yeah, I don't see a better choice for Indiana than Henderson.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Henderson, KY and Evansville is currently the control city for I-69 South in Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Henderson, KY and Evansville is currently the control city for I-69 South in Indiana.
Does Henderson appear anywhere other than at the I-64 cloverleaf? I know it isn't signed at the Lloyd interchange. Not sure about other Evansville interchanges
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 20, 2020, 12:29:40 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 20, 2020, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Henderson, KY and Evansville is currently the control city for I-69 South in Indiana.
Does Henderson appear anywhere other than at the I-64 cloverleaf? I know it isn't signed at the Lloyd interchange. Not sure about other Evansville interchanges
I believe that Henderson is only at I-64.  A holdover from I-164 days.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on May 21, 2020, 12:31:12 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
I believe they wanted to wait to finish the highway to Indianapolis in order to sign "Indianapolis" , though realistically it should be allowed to be posted now.

Trying to figure INDOT out is tough.

There is no reason Bloomington and Indianapolis can't both be used now. INDOT has Indianapolis as a control on US 41 around Vincennes, and US 41 doesn't get any closer to Indy than Terre Haute.  I-69 is at least funneling traffic directly at it just 20 miles away.

Of course, Kentucky is using Elizabethtown for I-69 North at the I-24 split.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 01:06:12 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on May 21, 2020, 12:31:12 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
I believe they wanted to wait to finish the highway to Indianapolis in order to sign "Indianapolis" , though realistically it should be allowed to be posted now.

Trying to figure INDOT out is tough.

There is no reason Bloomington and Indianapolis can't both be used now. INDOT has Indianapolis as a control on US 41 around Vincennes, and US 41 doesn't get any closer to Indy than Terre Haute.  I-69 is at least funneling traffic directly at it just 20 miles away.

Of course, Kentucky is using Elizabethtown for I-69 North at the I-24 split.
I-69 doesn't go to Elizabethtown? Hasn't changed from the Western Kentucky parkway days?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 06:06:18 AM
The Elizabethtown reference is merely from when it used to be the Western Kentucky Pkwy, just hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:50:12 AM

I was speculating what the control city would be from where I-69 would split off to use the Ohio River Bridge.  Of course, Henderson should be used from I-64 to the US 41 interchange.  If I-69 was mostly complete from Evansville to Memphis, I would favor Memphis.  However, whenever the bridge is complete and that Tennessee is somewhat dragging their feet on I-69, the choices are Madisonville, Hopkinsville, Paducah, or Fulton.  I actually would favor Paducah for the short term.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 21, 2020, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:50:12 AM

I was speculating what the control city would be from where I-69 would split off to use the Ohio River Bridge.  Of course, Henderson should be used from I-64 to the US 41 interchange.  If I-69 was mostly complete from Evansville to Memphis, I would favor Memphis.  However, whenever the bridge is complete and that Tennessee is somewhat dragging their feet on I-69, the choices are Madisonville, Hopkinsville, Paducah, or Fulton.  I actually would favor Paducah for the short term.

Of course when I cross the Ohio River going south, my main destination must be Fulton (KY/TN).  I know it's popular though out middle America...who would think that Memphis is a destination???  (I know, it was put there because it was the end of the Purchase Parkway)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
Agreed. I hate obscure control cities.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
I fully agree

InDOT doesn't tend to use Secondary Controls nearly as much as neighboring IDOT does, unfortunately

The big issue with signing Memphis out of Indy right now, until the Freeway is complete Indy<->Memphis is that at present, I-70->I-57->I-55 is a quicker route to Memphis

From Bloomington on south, certainly Control it Memphis, now
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: WKDAVE on May 21, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
I fully agree

InDOT doesn't tend to use Secondary Controls nearly as much as neighboring IDOT does, unfortunately

The big issue with signing Memphis out of Indy right now, until the Freeway is complete Indy<->Memphis is that at present, I-70->I-57->I-55 is a quicker route to Memphis

From Bloomington on south, certainly Control it Memphis, now

Even with I-69 complete it will be faster to go I-70, I-57, and I-55!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: WKDAVE on May 21, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
I fully agree

InDOT doesn't tend to use Secondary Controls nearly as much as neighboring IDOT does, unfortunately

The big issue with signing Memphis out of Indy right now, until the Freeway is complete Indy<->Memphis is that at present, I-70->I-57->I-55 is a quicker route to Memphis

From Bloomington on south, certainly Control it Memphis, now

Even with I-69 complete it will be faster to go I-70, I-57, and I-55!
Not necessarily...

Between Indianapolis and Memphis, the current I-70, I-57, and I-55 routing is 464 miles and takes approximately 6 hours 51 minutes to traverse.

The current I-69 routing is 453 miles and takes approximately 7 hours 22 minutes to traverse in present day.

Considering a 70 mph speed limit for the sections currently not freeway, that would reduce overall travel time about 32 minutes, bringing the I-69 corridor to 6 hours 50 minutes.

Additionally, the I-69 corridor has considerably less traffic than the I-70, I-57, and I-55 corridors do, notably with truck traffic, and would likely be desired for this reason alone. I wouldn't be surprised if some people opt to use the present-day I-69 corridor from Indianapolis to Memphis to avoid those interstates during some of the worst peak travel periods. At Dyersburg, you can also go back to I-55 to avoid the arterial segment south of there via I-155.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Evansville or Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
That's a bit far.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 22, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
That's a bit far.

My vote: Dyersburg/Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 22, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
That's a bit far.

My vote: Dyersburg/Indianapolis.
I agree, one close by city and one far off city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 23, 2020, 08:52:47 AM
The INDOT Design Manual requires the control cities to be what they have on the signs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 26, 2020, 01:40:27 AM

Memorial Day was nice and sunny so I headed up to Morgan County for another look-see. Crews have been making good progress on the overpasses north of Martinsville. Photos were taken May 25, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan/Johnson/Marion counties
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Overpass that will carry Egbert Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast.

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Work has commenced on the bridge that will carry the new frontage, or service, road over Stotts Creek in Morgan County. Stotts Creek runs underneath SR 37 about a mile north of the SR 37/Henderson Road intersection. The creek flows into the White River, which, at this point, runs only a few yards north (left, treeline) of the southbound lanes of SR 37.

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Closer look at the work underway at Stotts Creek. Crews have been driving piles to create a cofferdam (pictured in the foreground) to facilitate work on the bridge's northern pier. Due to rains the day before, the chamber has filled with water which will be pumped out when work resumes.

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The overpass that will carry Perry Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County; looking north. Piles have now been driven for both abutments.

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Another perspective of the work underway at the Perry Road overpass work zone; looking north.

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Another look at the Stotts Creek work zone showing a small section of the northbound mainline SR 37 bridge over the creek. These Stotts Creek mainline bridges are to be completely reconstructed as part of the next contract of Section 6, to be let in November of 2020.

More pictures to follow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 28, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

A few more pictures of the Section 6 work underway in Morgan County, Indiana. Photos were taken May 25, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan/Johnson/Marion counties
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Long distant shot looking south toward the northern abutment pilings and median pier formwork of the future overpass at Henderson Ford Road in Morgan County. A diamond interchange is planned at this location. Construction of the interchange ramps is part of another Section 6 contract, which is to be let in November of 2020.

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Using the telephoto lens, a closer look at the median pier formwork and northern abutment pilings at Henderson Ford Rd.; looking south.

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Looking slightly southwest toward the center pier of the future Egbert Road overpass. Formwork is in place in preparations for the concrete pours. East of the overpass dozens of small ground flags have been placed to facilitate the stabilizing and building up the ground to support the eastern approach to the overpass.

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Looking east from near the future Egbert Road overpass toward the area where the new, short stretch of Egbert Road is planned. Here, in addition to yellow tags, there are white, aqua, dark blue, and red. Why these flags have been placed in such numbers, and the difference, for instance, between an aqua and a dark blue, I have little idea. If anyone can provide enlightening details, please do.

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Different perspective of the median pier and northern abutment pilings at Henderson Ford Road; looking southeast.

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Another look at the median pier formwork and western abutment pilings at Egbert Road; looking northeast.

Work continues to widen Morton Ave/SR 39 in Martinsville in preparation of the temporary closure of SR 37 next year. I'll try to get some pictures. Also, under construction is a crossover on SR 37 just south of the SR 37/SR 39 interchange. This will allow all traffic to be shifted to the northbound lanes of SR 37 to facilitate the construction of a new SR 37/SR 39 interchange, as well as the reconstruction of the mainline bridges over Indian Creek.

Here's a link to the May 2020 INDOT I-69 Finish Line newsletter: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/I-69-Progress-and-Traffic-Changes-May-2020.pdf


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: civeng on May 28, 2020, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 28, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

Why these flags have been placed in such numbers, and the difference, for instance, between an aqua and a dark blue, I have little idea. If anyone can provide enlightening details, please do.


Probably where wick drains will be placed to speed up soil settlement.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on May 31, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: civeng on May 28, 2020, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 28, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

Why these flags have been placed in such numbers, and the difference, for instance, between an aqua and a dark blue, I have little idea. If anyone can provide enlightening details, please do.


Probably where wick drains will be placed to speed up soil settlement.

What's a 'wick drain'?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 31, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: rte66man on May 31, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: civeng on May 28, 2020, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 28, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

Why these flags have been placed in such numbers, and the difference, for instance, between an aqua and a dark blue, I have little idea. If anyone can provide enlightening details, please do.


Probably where wick drains will be placed to speed up soil settlement.

What's a 'wick drain'?

i believe it is used to drain (lower) the water table to allow for a dry foundation for whatever they are building
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on June 01, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
My son and I went hiking in Bedford on Saturday as as we drove down 37 it was encouraging to see the crews working on bridges north of Martinsville. Once Martinsville is done the exit I want done ASAP is at 144. Always catch that light.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 01, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: rte66man on May 31, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: civeng on May 28, 2020, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 28, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

Why these flags have been placed in such numbers, and the difference, for instance, between an aqua and a dark blue, I have little idea. If anyone can provide enlightening details, please do.


Probably where wick drains will be placed to speed up soil settlement.

What's a 'wick drain'?

i believe it is used to drain (lower) the water table to allow for a dry foundation for whatever they are building

Here's a couple of videos that explain and show the installation of wick drains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smwoxUgrrIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=metUuJtwx0M

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on June 02, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Good vids. Two questions for the group:

1. What do the colors of the flags represent? Types of wicks? Depths inserted?

2. Where do I go to work on a construction site in flip-flops?  :wow:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on June 02, 2020, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: qguy on June 02, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Good vids. Two questions for the group:

1. What do the colors of the flags represent? Types of wicks? Depths inserted?

2. Where do I go to work on a construction site in flip-flops?  :wow:

I cannot believe they released the video with the flip flops. At the very least it is a severe OSHA violation.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 03, 2020, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: rte66man on June 02, 2020, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: qguy on June 02, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Good vids. Two questions for the group:

1. What do the colors of the flags represent? Types of wicks? Depths inserted?

2. Where do I go to work on a construction site in flip-flops?  :wow:

I cannot believe they released the video with the flip flops. At the very least it is a severe OSHA violation.

The second video was not made in the US. Therefore no OSHA rules were in force.

Why a wick drain over say a french drain? They serve the same purpose. I would think a french drain with a certain silica type could drain faster without loss of clay.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: civeng on June 03, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 03, 2020, 01:25:13 PM

Why a wick drain over say a french drain? They serve the same purpose. I would think a french drain with a certain silica type could drain faster without loss of clay.

A french drain needs an outlet.  Wick drains are installed in low, wet areas, and the water is wicked upwards to the surface, promoting consolidation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on June 03, 2020, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?

Correct tdindy. Evansville is already used as the control from Martinsville south, so it will obviously be the south control in Indiana. I would say it should be the control north of Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on June 03, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 06:06:18 AM
The Elizabethtown reference is merely from when it used to be the Western Kentucky Pkwy, just hasn't changed.

They erected new signs last year. Elizabethtown was used on the new ones.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 03, 2020, 07:19:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on June 03, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2020, 06:06:18 AM
The Elizabethtown reference is merely from when it used to be the Western Kentucky Pkwy, just hasn't changed.

They erected new signs last year. Elizabethtown was used on the new ones.
It was merely a carbon copy of the old sign with no changes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 13, 2020, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 01, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 31, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: rte66man on May 31, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: civeng on May 28, 2020, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 28, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

Why these flags have been placed in such numbers, and the difference, for instance, between an aqua and a dark blue, I have little idea. If anyone can provide enlightening details, please do.


Probably where wick drains will be placed to speed up soil settlement.

What's a 'wick drain'?

i believe it is used to drain (lower) the water table to allow for a dry foundation for whatever they are building

Here's a couple of videos that explain and show the installation of wick drains.
Thanks ITB, for the informative videos aboot wick drains (Canadian accent intentional, I miss the CFL)!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on June 15, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
https://i69finishline.com/news/on-track-update-june-15-2020/

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The Grand Valley Boulevard overpass is open for traffic today.  Lots of good pictures/construction updates on the I-69 Finish Line site.

Quote from: I-69 Finish LineIT'S OPEN! The first cars have driven across the new Grand Valley Boulevard overpass and the first pedestrians have tried out the new sidewalks. The new overpass opened this morning. It connects Martinsville High School and neighborhoods west of State Road 37 with businesses east of the highway.

This is a milestone for I-69 Finish Line. The Grand Valley overpass is the first of 39 new I-69 bridges to open. Watch this short video to see what Indiana Department of Transportation Commissioner Joe McGuinness has to say about the big moment and how the new Grand Valley overpass stands as a tribute to Martinsville.

When you cross the new overpass, here are some facts to keep in mind. Be sure to click the links to check out the photos, too!

The bridge is 372 feet long.
The bridge includes 1,500 cubic yards of concrete.
The very visible "M"  on the bridge is a nod to nearby Martinsville High School.
The brick on the MSE walls pays homage to downtown Martinsville, matching the Morgan County Courthouse brick.
The aesthetics of the pier "fin walls"  tie into the fence details and resemble artesian wells as a tribute to the mineral wells in the area.
All of the I-69 project work is carefully coordinated. Grand Valley was the first overpass constructed because it will serve as an important east-west connection during I-69 work at other access points.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on June 21, 2020, 10:19:41 PM
Does the new bridge mean South Street is technically a tertiary road to Ohio? (Tertiary in OSM is wider than residential and shows up further out)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on July 06, 2020, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: qguy on June 02, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
1. What do the colors of the flags represent? Types of wicks? Depths inserted?
The flag colors mean nothing - sorry to disappoint.

As others said, wick drains are used to accelerate clay consolidation. Basically, you make the clay settle now rather than later, so that it doesn't settle underneath the structure after it's built and damage the structure.

The way clay consolidation works is that when a clay layer has a load placed on it, such as a structure or roadway or layer of backfill soil, the load is initially borne by the water in the soil and gradually transferred over to the soil itself as the water leaves it (i.e., it is a time-dependent process). As this water leaves (is forced out by the loading), the soil settles because the void spaces where the water was are now empty. This process of water leaving the soil can take a very long time - often months or years, depending on the soil type and stratigraphy (for example, water drains out of sand instantly, so there is no consolidation over time - it settles instantly. But clays take a lot longer to drain).

What wick drains do is provide a short path for water to drain out once a load is applied to the soil. The rate of settlement is proportional to the square of the drainage distance - basically, the longer distance water has to travel to leave the clay layer, the longer it takes for the soil to settle. For example, if you have a 10' thick clay layer you want to consolidate, it takes a set amount of time to fully settle. But if you install wick drains every 2', it will settle 25 times quicker (10^2 versus 2^2 is a 25:1 ratio).

tl;dr wick drains make construction go more quickly so you can drive the new I-69 sooner.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: qguy on July 09, 2020, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: csw on July 06, 2020, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: qguy on June 02, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
1. What do the colors of the flags represent? Types of wicks? Depths inserted?
The flag colors mean nothing - sorry to disappoint.

If the colors don't mean anything, why are they different? The workers in the manufacturing plant just happen to reach for random colored materials on different production days?

Are you sure there aren't different material characteristics with different performance profiles?

I know, like the twist ties on some brands of bread, they represent color codes for expiration dates! Amiright? :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on July 10, 2020, 08:45:23 AM
I really can't think of a reason they would be different - maybe they're installing the drains to different depths in different places, but I doubt it, since it's hard to know how deep the clay layer is that precisely. I doubt they're installing different types of drains since the design of a wick drain is pretty standard and it's usually easier to buy the same type in bulk rather than different types. I think there's a reasonable possibility that they just had a bunch of different colored flags and wanted to use them up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on July 10, 2020, 10:46:58 AM
More than you wanted to know about industrial drainage including wick drains.

https://www.awd-usa.com/drainage-applications

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 13, 2020, 12:41:48 AM
 
Drove up to Morgan County on Saturday, and it rained, hard. Lots of vehicles pulled onto the shoulder to wait it out. When the sun appeared on Sunday I headed out again for a look-see. Photos were taken Sunday, July 12, 2020, unless otherwise noted. To expand the photos, Right Click, etc.

Henderson Ford Road work zone
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The future overpass that will carry Henderson Ford Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County, Indiana; looking south.

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Looking northeast toward State Road 37 from the future Henderson Ford Road/I-69 overpass and interchange. Note the new frontage road under construction adjacent to the northbound lanes. That road is planned to link into New Harmony Road, located about a half mile past the right bend in the roadway (deep background left).

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Different look at the work underway at the site of the future Henderson Ford Road overpass and interchange; looking south.

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The approach to the future Henderson Ford Road overpass (not visible, background); looking south. Crews have hauled in an enormous amount of fill material to build up the ground for the new roadway approach.

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Another perspective at the future Henderson Ford overpass; looking slightly southeast.

Next up: Waverly Road
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 13, 2020, 01:19:51 AM

Another batch. Again, photos were taken Sunday, July 12, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Waverly Road work zone
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Work is well underway to construct the overpass that will carry Waverly Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in northern Morgan County, Indiana; looking south.

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Another perspective of the work at the Waverly Road work zone; looking south.

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Tubes to be used to construct a culvert in storage near the Waverly Road work zone; looking northeast.

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Different look at the Waverly Road overpass and the formwork enclosing the median bent; looking south.

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Indiana I-69 Section 6 field office on Waverly Road in Waverly, Indiana. It had been closed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, but may have recently reopened.

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A small section of old Waverly Road over a small culvert near the future Waverly Road overpass; looking south.

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The old culvert; looking east. State Road 37 is in the background. Not sure what they're going to do with this old culvert. Dig it up, perhaps? To find out, I'll guess I'll have to dig into the drawings.

That's all for now. I'm hoping to get out again soon to take photos at a few other locations. The frontage roads are showing good progress in a number of locations. Additionally, the southbound mainline bridge over Indian Creek south of Martinsville has been demolished and reconstruction work is underway.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 15, 2020, 06:11:22 PM

A few more pictures. Photos were taken Monday, July 14, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Egbert Road overpass work zone, Morgan County
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The future overpass that will carry Egbert Road over State Road 37 (future I-69) in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast.

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Another perspective of the work underway at the Egbert Road work zone; looking slightly northeast. Quite an unusual build for just an overpass abutment and approach. Crews have excavated a very substantial amount of material. Although the photo doesn't show it, just beyond the orange netting, it's deep, around 15 feet or so. Evidently the soil conditions at this location were very unfavorable for bridge building. On the other side of SR 37 is where the field of wick drains were installed at Egbert work zone (pictured in an earlier post). No wick drains here.

Local Service Road work zone– Old State Rd 37 to Country Club Road, Morgan County
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The future new local service road between Old State Road 37 and Country Club Road in Morgan County, Indiana; looking south from near the Myra Lane/State Road 37 intersection. This service, or frontage, road will be extended about a mile south of Country Club Road – right through that little green patch – to link into Morgan Street just north of Martinsville.

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Closer look at the new frontage road between Old State Road 37 and Country Club Road. A sliver of Country Club Road is visible in the background, running horizontally across the frame. There are a handful of residential structures along this stretch of construction that are just outside the project's right-of-way. As such, vehicular access to these properties must be maintained at all times. Note the two gravel driveways, jutting off right from the the path of the frontage road.

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Another look of the new frontage road; from near the SR 37/Myra Lane crossing; looking south. Myra Lane will be extended via an overpass over SR 37 to link into the new frontage road right about here (foreground).

Henderson Ford Road work zone
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The State Road 37/Henderson Ford Road crossing from the future overpass that will carry Henderson Ford Road over SR 37/Interstate 69 in Morgan County, Indiana; looking southwest. Sadly, way too often I've witnessed drivers making dangerous choices at crossings like this. Photo taken July 12, 2020.

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Long distance shot looking northeast toward SR 37 from the future Henderson Ford Road overpass. Construction of the new frontage road, which will link into the future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange, is well underway. Visible in the background is the tip of the yellow crane at the Stotts Creek work zone. There a bridge is under construction to carry the new frontage road. Photo taken July 12, 2020.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 27, 2020, 01:20:21 AM

Went up to Morgan County twice this weekend for look-sees and to get a better feel of how I might access certain locations. I did a lot more walking than I originally planned to do; too much. Hopefully, no chigger bites. So far, so good. Photos were taken Sunday, July 27, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Henderson Ford Road work zone, Morgan County
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The overpass that will carry Henderson Ford Road over State Road 37/Interstate 69 in Morgan County, Indiana; looking north.

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Closer look at the south abutment of the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking north. Signs along SR 37 warm of 20 minute road closures on both July 28 and 29 at Henderson Ford Road. That likely means the placement of the overpass's bridge beams. Looks ready to me.

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Looking northeast toward State Road 37 from near the future Henderson Ford Road overpass. The new local access, or frontage, road (deep background, right), which will link into the interchange, continues to take shape.

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Landscape view of State Road 37 and nearby terrain from the Henderson Ford Road overpass work zone; looking northeast.

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The extension of Henderson Ford Road south of the future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange; looking north. The new road will stretch from the interchange to Egbert Road at its juncture with Centennial Road, forming a four-way intersection at that location. The Henderson Ford Road overpass is partially visible in the deep background left.

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The extension of Henderson Ford Road; from the other direction, looking south. Egbert Road, which runs horizontally across the frame, is located just in front of the church in the background.

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Another perspective of State Road 37 from the Henderson Ford Road work zone; looking northeast.

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Just south of Martinsville, work is well underway to replace the bridge that carries southbound State Road 37 over Indian Creek; looking slightly northwest. (Photo was taken July 26, 2020) This is the starting point of Section 6. At this location, all SR 37 traffic is currently using the northbound lanes and bridge. When the southbound bridge completes, all traffic will switched to the that bridge and work will commence on the northbound span. Kind of a hard place to get into to take decent pictures without walking a zillion feet. And did I mention chiggers? Yup, that tall grass and vegetation is chigger territory. The unsightly bites take a month to heal.

That's all for now. Everyone, stay safe and wear your mask!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 30, 2020, 11:49:29 AM
Hey ITB, have you been around 39 lately? I think they're working on it now, get any photos of that project?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 31, 2020, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 30, 2020, 11:49:29 AM
Hey ITB, have you been around 39 lately? I think they're working on it now, get any photos of that project?

Ask and you shall receive. Would I hold out on you guys? Photos were taken Wednesday, July 29, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Morton Ave./State Road 39, Martinsville, Morgan County, Indiana
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Looking south from near the Morton Ave./SR 39 — Burton Lane crossing in Martsinsville, Morgan County. Crews continue to work to widen Morton Ave./SR 39 to a temporary 4-lane configuration, with curbs added to east side of the road.

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Morton Ave./SR 39; looking slightly northwest from near Burton Lane. Upgrades to the underground utility infrastructure is underway.

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Near Burton Lane and Morton Ave./SR 39; the pour completed, doing the required cleaning of the mixer before heading back to the plant; looking slightly northwest.

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Looking slightly northwest toward Morton Ave./SR 39 from near the Morton Ave. entrance of the Burton Lane shopping center. With storm sewers intakes in place, curb work will soon commence.

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Perspective of Morton Ave./SR 39 from near the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking slightly northwest.

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Closer look of the above view.

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The SR 37/SR 39—Morton Ave. interchange; looking south. On the right is the ramp to southbound SR 37. When SR 37 temporarily closes next year for up to one year, all traffic, both northbound and southbound, will be using this ramp (expanded, of course) to either access Interstate 69 (southbound) or to detour around the closure (northbound). Currently, the southbound lanes of SR 37 are torn up between the SR 37/SR 39 interchange and the bridge over Indian Creek. Crews are rebuilding that section of highway, as well as the bridge.

Some of you know of my Flickr account which now contains nearly 4,000 photos and goes back to when to Section 4 was under construction. Pretty sure Silverback does, and he just posted to me a gentle nudge. For those of you who don't, here's the link:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/with/50169211052/

More photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 31, 2020, 11:36:16 PM

When I drove up to Morgan County on Wednesday, July 29th, my primary goal was to take pictures of the 2nd night beam placement at the Henderson Ford Road overpass. I made sure, however, I had enough time to photograph the construction underway on Morton Ave./SR 39 in Martinsville (pictures above) before heading further north to Henderson Ford. Even though it was past 6 pm I was a little surprised to see work going strong at other work zones, including the Egbert Road overpass and the eastern local access road jutting off north from SR 44.

I arrived at Henderson Ford Road, and then I waited, waited, and waited. I had expected the beam placement operation to get underway around 7 pm, but it was closer to 8 pm before everything was ready and the activity kicked into gear. It was slow, deliberate process very carefully planned. Once, however, the beam was lifted off the truck transport the process of putting it in place happened somewhat quickly, at least that's how it seemed to me. To my vexation, just prior to the beam being lifted clouds rolled over the sun hanging low in the western sky.

Photos were taken Wednesday, July 29, 2020. To expand the pictures, Right Click, or follow your browser prompts, whichever works best.

Henderson Ford Road overpass work zone, Morgan County, Indiana
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The future overpass that will carry Henderson Ford Road over State Road 37/Interstate 69; looking northeast. The cemetery – named the Williams Bradford Cemetery – is located about 200 yards south of the present SR 37/Henderson Ford Road crossing. Quite an old cemetery with many of the markers denoting graves of people who died before 1900. Small American flags were placed at some of the graves of those who served in the armed forces, including as far back as the Civil War, the War of 1812, and the Revolutionary War. That's right, a Revolutionary War patriot by the name of Cornelius King (1753-1839; died age 85, 9 months, 19 days) is buried here, as is Cornelius King's son, "Pete" King, who served in the War of 1812. Here's a link to cemetery:

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1979953/williams-bradford-cemetery

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Another perspective of the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking northeast across a soybean field. The previous evening, Tuesday, July 28th, the beams over the southbound lanes of SR 37 were installed.

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Not quite ready to go yet, the truck carrying the first beam remains on standby; looking slightly northeast.

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The trucks with the four other beams just south of the SR 37/Henderson Ford Road crossing; looking southwest.

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As the operation got underway, all five trucks pulled up toward the overpass work zone and were positioned on left northbound lane. All traffic was stopped for this, but the right lane was soon reopened.

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Attaching the crane cables to the first beam to be placed; looking northeast.

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Almost ready to lift. Traffic is stopped in both directions.

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Into the air.

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Guided by crew members manning ropes attached to each end, the beam is slowly turned.

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Lowered into position as teams of two, at both the median bent and the abutment, guide the beam to its final destination.

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Closer look.

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It's gotta be just right. (Using the long range lens.)

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Another perspective; looking northeast.

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And another view as the placement of the first beam begins to wrap up.

Couple others at Henderson Ford Road:

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Crider and Crider – a Bloomington, Indiana, firm – is the prime contractor for the Henderson Ford Road overpass project, as well as all other projects associated with Contract #3, Section 6. This includes overpasses at Egbert Road, Perry Road, and Waverly Road, and several miles of frontage roads.

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Another view of the overpass from the Williams Bradford Cemetery; looking northeast. The marker has tumbled over and broken due to the root growth of a nearby tree.

If the weather is good I'll try to get up to Martinsville and Morgan County again in early August.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on August 01, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
These are my favorite photos you've posted yet - the step-by-step process of the beams being placed is really cool. The bit of history is great too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on August 03, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
Fascinating pictures, as usual.

I am curious about one thing, though. It seems like the beams form their own truck bed for transport, with little wheelies strapped to the back end. Is that true? And if so, what do they do with the wheelies when they're done?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 03, 2020, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 03, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
Fascinating pictures, as usual.

I am curious about one thing, though. It seems like the beams form their own truck bed for transport, with little wheelies strapped to the back end. Is that true? And if so, what do they do with the wheelies when they're done?

That's S.O.P. when transporting those sorts of beams.  IIRC, there is a trailer hitch that they use to transport the empty bogie back, towed by its tractor unit.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on August 04, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
What is the last name on that stone, it looks like GRE..  my last name is Greb and I was curious
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 04, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on August 04, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
What is the last name on that stone, it looks like GRE..  my last name is Greb and I was curious

It's Margaret A Williams Greer, born 10 Jan 1835, died 14 April 1881.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/42251580/margaret-a-greer
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on August 04, 2020, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 04, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on August 04, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
What is the last name on that stone, it looks like GRE..  my last name is Greb and I was curious

It's Margaret A Williams Greer, born 10 Jan 1835, died 14 April 1881.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/42251580/margaret-a-greer

There are some people in this cemetery with rich histories. I hope they do not disturb it.

For example a direct descendant of William Bradford, the Governor of Plymouth Plantation and passenger on the Mayflower is buried here along with some Indiana politicians.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on August 04, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 04, 2020, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 04, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on August 04, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
What is the last name on that stone, it looks like GRE..  my last name is Greb and I was curious

It's Margaret A Williams Greer, born 10 Jan 1835, died 14 April 1881.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/42251580/margaret-a-greer

There are some people in this cemetery with rich histories. I hope they do not disturb it.

For example a direct descendant of William Bradford, the Governor of Plymouth Plantation and passenger on the Mayflower is buried here along with some Indiana politicians.

I would hope they would at least reset the fallen stones. As a genealogist, it always saddens me to see that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 05, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 04, 2020, 09:11:19 PM

There are some people in this cemetery with rich histories. I hope they do not disturb it.

The cemetery is well outside the project's right-of-way, so it's quite safe. INDOT has been particularly careful and respectful around sites that have been deemed historic or environmentally fragile, such as wetlands. For example, the new eastern frontage road just north of the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, bulbs outward to go around a small family cemetery.

Quote from: rte66man on August 04, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
I would hope they would at least reset the fallen stones. As a genealogist, it always saddens me to see that.

Generally, the cemetery seems to be taken care of as the grass appears to regularly mowed. There are few markers that have fallen. The one pictured in the photo set earlier toppled due to tree root growth, which pushed up the ground. I guess that marker could be reset but it could involve chopping down the tree and leveling the ground. It may be best to just let it be. The others, well, it would be nice if they were put properly back in place.

Here again is the map of the Henderson Ford Road interchange and related new frontage roads:

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Courtesy INDOT

The Williams Bradford Cemetery is indicated by the three little crosses just to right of the row of red x's located on the eastern (right) side of the mainline. The x's indicate where current pavement, that being a small segment of CR 390 E, will be removed. The extension of Henderson Ford Road from the interchange to its juncture at Egbert and Centennial roads is entirely new roadway. The current state of that construction can be viewed in an earlier set of photos a page or two back. Whether this new segment of roadway will be signed Henderson Ford Road or Centennial Road is, to me, a toss up. The new frontage road jutting off north (top direction) probably will be signed New Harmony Road, as it joins that road just a little further north (not pictured on the map).

Link: INDOT, Section 6 Maps  https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2345.htm

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 10, 2020, 04:51:35 PM

A few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, August 9, 2020, unless otherwise identified.

Bridge and Frontage Road, Stotts Creek work zone, Morgan County, Indiana
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Construction of the bridge that will carry New Harmony Road over Stotts Creek in Morgan County, Indiana; looking west. To the right is State Road 37 and a sliver of the northbound mainline bridge over the creek. Stotts Creek merges into the White River just beyond the treeline (right).

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Closer look at the work underway at Stotts Creek; looking west. Another cofferdam has be built to allow crews to construct the second bridge pier. It appears two additional piles are to be driven. Note the hose on the left which is attached to a pump to remove any water that accumulates in the cofferdam.

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The bridge that carries the northbound lanes of SR 37 over Stotts Creek; looking northwest. As part of the next phase of Section 6 construction, both mainline bridges over Stotts Creek will be replaced with new bridges.

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View of State Road 37; looking northeast from near Stotts Creek. Around the bend in the deep background just out of view is the Perry Road overpass work zone.

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Closer perspective of SR 37 looking northeast.

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Different look of the construction zone at Stotts Creek; looking slightly northeast.

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And one more; looking slightly northeast.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 10, 2020, 06:06:04 PM
Photos were taken Sunday, August 9, 2020, unless otherwise identified. To expand the pictures, Right Click, or follow the prompts of your browser, whichever works best for you.

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Long range view looking west toward the Henderson Ford Road overpass and future I-69 interchange in Morgan County, Indiana, and the new local frontage road that will link into Henderson Ford Road near the interchange. To get your bearings with the above photos, Stotts Creek is located about 1 1/2 miles north of this overpass.

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Closer look at the overpass that will carry Henderson Ford over Interstate 69; looking west. State police have been vigorously enforcing the 45 mph work zone limit in this vicinity, so travelers and commuters be aware.

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Another view of the Henderson Ford Road overpass. The road in the foreground on which the red pickup is traveling is Ennis Road.

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The railroad crossing on State Road 39 in Martinsville, Indiana; looking east. While most of SR 39 in Martinsville will be widened to accommodate four lanes, due to regulations and time constraints, SR 39 will remain one lane in each direction at this spot. Observing the traffic, I now wonder if it might be better to have one lane in each direction throughout Morton Ave./SR 39 and a center lane dedicated for turns. That way the merge to one lane prior to the railroad tracks will be eliminated, as will the southbound merge prior to the ramp to SR 37/I-69 south of Martinsville proper. It will also allow vehicles to safely cross only one lane of traffic when entering or exiting businesses on one side or the other of Morton Ave./SR 39. Traffic management experts? Feedback?

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Another perspective of the SR 39 railroad crossing; looking east.

Shifting focus to an issue affecting all of us, here's a trio of pictures of the Catalent production facility in Bloomington, Indiana. Catalent will be producing two Covid-19 vaccines here. That's right, right in Bloomington. The Moderna vaccine will be produced utilizing an existing production line, while a new building is under construction for the forthcoming Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

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Main entrance to the Catalent facility at 1300 S. Patterson Dr. in Bloomington; looking west. Catalent employs more than 1,300 in Bloomington.

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View of a section of the Catalent facility showing the new structure under construction for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

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Closer look at the new building that will house the Johnson & Johnson vaccine operations.

Link: Newspaper article related to the Catalent vaccine work: https://www.hoosiertimes.com/free_access/catalent-deal-to-bring-300-new-jobs-to-bloomington/article_eb8857aa-b7b8-11ea-8c37-5b3a04a9041a.html

Link: Catalent, Bloomington, USA: https://www.catalent.com/our-locations/north-america/bloomington-usa/

And to wrap up, a couple more looks of the Stotts Creek work zone in Morgan County.

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Pilings for the new frontage road bridge over Stotts Creek; looking slightly northeast.

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Another perspective at the Stotts Creek work zone; looking northeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on August 11, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
I am pretty sure I mentioned the bottleneck at the Indiana Southern RR crossing in Martinsville in a prior post.  Seeing that IN-37 will be closed for a year, I think that limiting through traffic in town to reach IN-67 will be a problem.

IN-39 is a 4 lane bridge over the White River...why they simply didn't extend that past the tracks and them move to a center left turn lane once in the city limits to provide traffic calming is beyond me.

Also they should make Morton Ave/IN-39 the through route and force any local left turn traffic back at Garfield. This will permit non-local traffic (which will be a lot) to flow without having to keep a traffic light for Morton to continue. Anyone wanting to reach downtown Martinsville from the NW can turn left at Garfield.

When I-69 reopens to Waverly, then bring the left turn back to Morton.

I guess I am not sure why they are so soft on updating that crossing with ISRR. It hosts 2 coal drags a week. One train is really going to back up the whole town, possibly back onto I-69 itself for traffic coming north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on August 20, 2020, 08:08:17 AM
Bing has some fairly recent images of I-69 showing the completion of work south Martinsville and some work beginning in that town.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2020, 02:26:22 PM

Another good weather Sunday, so I headed up to Morgan County for another look-see. Construction is rapidly moving forward. Beams have now been installed for the Egbert Road overpass, and paving has now commenced on the frontage roads. Still a lot to do before work on Contract #3 completes, but it's looking good. Photos were taken Sunday, August 23, 2020, unless otherwise noted. To expand the pictures, Right Click, or follow the steps prompted by your browser, whichever works best.

Egbert Road overpass work zone, Morgan County, Indiana

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The Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast. Last week the beams for the overpass were put in place. Because of the diagonal angle of the bridge, these beams are among the longest that will be used in Section 6.

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Different view of the Egbert Road overpass; looking north.

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Another perspective; looking north. Interesting that a drainage culvert has been installed underneath the bridge's west abutment.

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The view looking east. Lots of fill work will soon get underway.

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And one more look of the overpass; looking east.

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Equipment at the Egbert Road overpass work zone; looking east. It's difficult to capture how large the tires are on the machine in the foreground. Think big!

New frontage road north of State Road 44 in Morgan County, Indiana
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Paving has commenced on the new service, or frontage, road that juts off north from SR 44; looking north. Since the road connects into Twin Branch Road, it's likely the entire stretch will be signed Twin Branch Road.

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Another perspective of the new frontage road near the SR 37/SR 44 intersection; looking north.

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The new frontage road where it connects into Twin Branch road; looking north. In the background (where the white car is located) is the E. Morgan Street/SR 37 crossing. Next year when SR 37 is closed just prior to the crossing, the E. Morgan Street/SR 37 access point will remain open for local residents to travel via SR 37 to points north, and likewise return.

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Long range view; looking north.

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Looking back toward the SR 37/SR 44 intersection in Morgan County, just north of Martinsville; looking south. The intersection is out of view, but is just beyond curve in the background.

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The point where the new frontage road intersects with SR 44; looking south. State Road 37 is to the right about a quarter mile away.

Couple more of the Egbert Road overpass work zone.

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Looking north toward the new Egbert Road overpass.

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Crane attachments and cables at the Egbert Road work zone; looking east.

That's all for now. It's now less than three months before Contract #4 is let. That's the contract for mainline work from Martinsville to Fairview Road in Johnson County, and encompasses interchanges at SR 144, Smith Valley Road, and the interchange ramps at Henderson Ford Road in Morgan County, as well as overpasses at Teeter Road and Myra Lane. If the letting goes as planned, work should commence in the spring of 2021.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on August 24, 2020, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 24, 2020, 02:26:22 PM

That's all for now. It's now less than three months before Contract #4 is let. That's the contract for mainline work from Martinsville to Fairview Road in Johnson County, and encompasses interchanges at SR 144, Smith Valley Road, and the interchange ramps at Henderson Ford Road in Morgan County, as well as overpasses at Teeter Road and Myra Lane. If the letting goes as planned, work should commence in the spring of 2021.

Thank You for the pics. I saw another tweet last week saying that they will also be letting Contract #5 this year as well, so that will be good.

https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1296439463422328832
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 17, 2020, 03:45:02 AM
Brief update with a few pictures. Construction of the four new overpasses over State Road 37 in Morgan County, as well as several miles of new local access roads, continues to rapidly move forward. Beams have been set at each of the bridges that will carry Egbert Road, Henderson Ford Road, Perry Road, and Waverly Road, respectfully. According to INDOT's September 4th I-69 Finish Line update (link below), all of the new overpasses are expected to be completed this fall. Work also continues on the southbound mainline bridge crossing Indian Creek, and beams are to set there next week. Work is steadily progressing, too, on the upgrading of Morton Avenue and SR 39 in Martinsville.

To the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, September 13, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Waverly Road work zone, Morgan County, Indiana
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The bridge that will carry Waverly Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in northern Morgan County, Indiana; looking slightly southwest.

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Bridge beams of the Waverly Road overpass; looking south.

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Close up of a bridge beam and bearing at Waverly. Haven't seen this type of bearing used before. Because of the loads it will be carrying I imagine it's a steel alloy. A bit of titanium, perhaps?

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Another perspective of the Waverly Road overpass; looking slightly southeast.

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Steel corrugated culvert under the north roadway approach to the Waverly Road overpass; looking west. In a earlier set of photos (back a couple pages), there's a picture of an old concrete culvert at Waverly. I speculated they would dig it up, and, yes, that's what happened. This is what is replacing that old culvert.

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View of the work zone at Waverly Road; looking south. The tip of the tube culvert pictured above is visible adjacent to the front end loader (expand the photo for a better look).

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A one more look at the Waverly Road bridge; looking southwest.

Henderson Ford Road work zone, Morgan County
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The north roundabout at the future Henderson Ford Road/Interstate 69 interchange in Morgan County, Indiana; looking east. In the background is State Road 37.

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Looking east toward State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) from the recently poured deck of the Henderson Ford Road overpass.

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The bridge deck of the Henderson Ford Road. On the right is rebar framing for a wide multi-use, concrete sidewalk.

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Closer look at SR 37 with the telephoto lens; from the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking east. The new frontage road that will link into the future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange is on the right.

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The Henderson Ford Road bridge deck and new terrain road that will intersect with Egbert Road further on (but out of view); looking south. Looks like there will be some sort of lane divider on the bridge.

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Another long range view looking east toward State Road 37. The ramps for the Henderson Ford Road/I-69 interchange will be constructed under another construction contract, which is planned to be let November 18, 2020.

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And one last one showing again the north roundabout at the Henderson Ford Road work zone; looking east.

Links: The two most recent INDOT I-69 Finish Line updates:

https://i69finishline.com/news/on-track-update-september-14-2020/
https://i69finishline.com/news/on-track-update-september-8/

Because the terrain north of Martinsville is significantly less hilly, in other words, generally flat, it's more of a challenge to take dramatic, expansive views of I-69 construction. Nevertheless, I continue to hunt for new locations and perspectives to take interesting pictures. It is my hope to continue to document the construction and completion of Section 6, but I cannot say for certain I will be able to do so. As some of you know, I was born in Indiana – in Johnson County Memorial Hospital to be exact, which is now called Johnson Memorial Health – and have lived in the state for most of my life, aside from a number of years in California and other states when young, and later in the Washington, DC area. So I have deep connection with Indiana; it is home and always will be. During the past few years, thanks to this site and its many knowledgeable members, I have become much more interested in all things roads.

In addition to the I-69 construction photos, for the past couple of years I've been taking photos of life in southern Indiana, it's people, festivals, and small towns. If interested, please check out my other Flickr page at the following:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183675816@N07/

It's only two months until the next Section 6 contract is to be let. If all goes as planned with the letting, construction to upgrade SR 37 between Martinsville and Fairview Road in Johnson County will likely get underway in the early spring of 2021. The final Section 6 contract has yet to be loaded on INDOT's 18-month letting list, so it appears that contract is still not quite ready to be released. Nonetheless, that contact is likely to be let in either late 2020 or early 2021.

Edit: Swapped out a double posted photo for another; minor edits for grammar and readability.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 19, 2020, 02:43:35 AM
I've seen the latest contract is now out and took a look through the signage plans for I-69 from north of Martinsville to Smith Valley Road. This stuff just interests me. I have an image of the signs as I cropped them out of the various PDF documents they're in.

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All and all the signs look pretty good and standard. Control cities are clearly Indianapolis and Evansville and mileage signs (INDOT-spec signs from what it seems here) do reflect that. Curiously the SR 144 exit sign doesn't get signed as SR 144 WEST as it should since east of the exit is a county road but it's not a huge deal. The Martinsville exits sign is also interesting, playing on the current Martinsville intersections sign that exists. The only thing that I would have wanted to add, speaking for I-69 in Morgan County in general, is for signage designating Franklin at Exit 140 in Martinsville (there's none planned at that exit now) and for signage along I-69 north of SR 144 designating Greenwood for the next two exits as is used elsewhere. There could also be a mileage sign north of Smith Valley similar to what they have on I-69 on the north side. Just randomly thinking late this Sunday night.

There's a planned travel time sign for northbound I-69 with Southport Road and I-465. I assume there will be a southbound version between I-465 and Southport Road, probably with County Line Road and SR 144 as destinations. Speculating as well, there will be a pair of VMSs on I-69 between Smith Valley and SR 144. The southbound VMS could have the travel times to SR 144, SR 44 and SR 46. Or maybe even SR 44, SR 46 and I-64! The northbound VMS could have time and distance to the 465 junctions with I-65 on the south side and I-70 on the west side.

I'm still waiting to see if the mileage signs begin to be installed along I-69 south of Bloomington since we're doing it on the rest of the interstate, no reason to not have them now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on October 19, 2020, 02:56:45 AM
That mixed-case North and South on the last sign on the first row and the first sign on the second row isn't great, though...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 19, 2020, 03:48:25 AM
Those signs could always be changed before the end. It wouldn't be the first time they had signs like that in Indiana: https://goo.gl/maps/UB8ewX3byYpaXwZx8

Worst case scenario, it's an error that makes it a one-off thing. The other two control city signs (the ones in black and white) are far more the rule and both the SR 144 and Smith Valley interchanges will feature signs like that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 19, 2020, 11:47:26 AM
I would like to see how the 44/252 exit will look like, that will be a long exit ramp
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 19, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
You can see it here: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Contracts-1-and-2.pdf

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on October 19, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
Concerning the signs, I was surprised in seeing the I-69/IN-37 sign.  I thought that INDOT was going to drop marking IN-37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis to create yet another gap in a state highway, but there it is on their sign plan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 19, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on October 19, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
Concerning the signs, I was surprised in seeing the I-69/IN-37 sign.  I thought that INDOT was going to drop marking IN-37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis to create yet another gap in a state highway, but there it is on their sign plan.

IN-37 I would imagine will exist (at minimum) until the entire construction period is exhausted.

Then they will go back and and remove the emblem. Probably about 12 months after I-69 is finished.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on October 19, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
The single exit sign for SR 44 and 252 makes it seem like one of those two interchanges is being removed since one could serve both roads. Is that the case, or are both interchanges still in the plans?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hockeyjohn on October 19, 2020, 05:25:19 PM
It appears "Mooresville" is misspelled on the black and white SR 144 exit sign in the second row.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 19, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 19, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
The single exit sign for SR 44 and 252 makes it seem like one of those two interchanges is being removed since one could serve both roads. Is that the case, or are both interchanges still in the plans?

i think it's a split diamond with connecting roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on October 20, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 19, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 19, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
The single exit sign for SR 44 and 252 makes it seem like one of those two interchanges is being removed since one could serve both roads. Is that the case, or are both interchanges still in the plans?

i think it's a split diamond with connecting roads.
Thought it was a stretch with a C/D through two consecutive diamonds where there are still two exits, but you exit at once for both of them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 20, 2020, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: sturmde on October 20, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 19, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 19, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
The single exit sign for SR 44 and 252 makes it seem like one of those two interchanges is being removed since one could serve both roads. Is that the case, or are both interchanges still in the plans?

i think it's a split diamond with connecting roads.
Thought it was a stretch with a C/D through two consecutive diamonds where there are still two exits, but you exit at once for both of them.

or that i can't remember. i do know both streets get an exit still.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 23, 2020, 02:49:48 AM
Yesterday, I motored up from Bloomington to the Indianapolis Museum of Art at Newfields, traveling via State Road 37 to I-465 west, then 38th Street east. Smooth, pleasant trip. Travel time was a tad more than an hour and half, door to door. The amount of SR 37 traffic was moderate to heavy, which was somewhat surprising, considering it was 2:00pm-ish on a Thursday. As usual, the closer to Indianapolis, the more traffic, the more lights. North of SR 144, SR 37 is showing its age. Has the feel of a road from the 1960s, what with the narrow left shoulder and numerous uncontrolled crossings. The I-69 upgrade to three lanes in each direction beginning just south of Smith Valley Road to just south of Banta Road, and from there, four lanes in each direction to I-465, is sorely needed.

On the way back, I used SR 67 (Kentucky Ave) down to SR 39/Morton Ave in Martinsville, and from there, I-69 south to Bloomington. In Mooresville, work to rebuild the SR 67 bridges over the east fork of White Lick Creek continues. The project, expected to complete by November 30, 2020, was planned in conjunction with the upgrade of SR 37 to I-69 in Martinsville, and the impending temporary closure of SR 37 in 2021.

There is visual progress to note on the work underway both in Martinsville and on the four new overpasses crossing over SR 37 between SR 44 and SR 144, as well as the new local frontage roads. All four overpasses have now received their deck pours. Additionally, beams are now in place on the frontage road bridges over Stotts Creek and Crooked Creek. In less than a month, the forth contract for I-69, Section 6, is scheduled to be let. That contract, as many of you already know, entails upgrading SR 37 to interstate standards between Martinsville and Fairview Road in Johnson County, as well as new interchanges at SR 144 and Smith Valley Road, and interchange ramps at Henderson Ford Road.

Here's a few pictures of the paving work underway on State Road 39 in Martinsville. Photos were taken Thursday, October 22, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

State Road 39, Martinsville, Indiana
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On State Road 39, just north of the SR 39/Morton Ave. intersection in Martinsville, Indiana, a paving crew was still at work at 6pm in the evening; looking north.

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The State Road 39/Morton Ave. intersection in Martinsville; looking southeast. When SR 37 is temporarily closed in 2021 in Martinsville, traffic will be detoured to Morton Ave. and SR 39, over to SR 67. Northbound I-69 traffic will make a left turn onto SR 39 at the light (coming up the roadway on the left where the trucks are located), while southbound SR 67 and local Martinsville traffic will turn right.

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Closer look at the paving operation on SR 39; looking slightly northeast.

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Another perspective; looking north.

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Endeavoring to keep everyone safe.

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Another look at the paving operation on SR 39; looking north.

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Yup ... it's been a long day of work.

Enjoyed the visit to the art museum in Indianapolis. A little pricey at $18, but generally worthwhile. I browsed the "Edward Hopper and the American Hotel" exhibition, which is set to close this Sunday. Admissions are limited, so I figured I'd better get my rear end up there right quick. Returning to the topic of I-69 and the upgrade of SR 37 from Martinsville to I-465: It's exciting to watch it all unfold. Next year will be pivotal, when SR 37 will be temporarily closed in Martinsville, and work will commence on the interchanges at SR 144 and Smith Valley Road.

Edit: Minor edits for clarity and readability; corrected that I-69 will be four lanes in each direction from just south of Banta Road to I-465 in Marion County, not three lanes as originally written.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 23, 2020, 05:13:13 PM
For those interested in closely following the construction progress of I-69, Section 6, the best source of information is INDOT's I-69 Finish Line website (link below). To get the latest information, I recommend signing up for INDOT's weekly email or text update, which is usually distributed on Mondays. The I-69 Finish Line webpage offers an easy sign-up for either option.

Link: INDOT I-69 Finish Line: https://i69finishline.com/

Also, as some of you already know, updated, high-resolution maps of Section 6 were uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line website last month. These maps depict the minor design changes that have been made since the Record of Decision. For example, the old ROD map showed a diamond interchange at Henderson Ford Road, while the updated map depicts two roundabouts, one on each side of the overpass.

The updated maps also show the I-69 mainline as four lanes in each direction from just south of Banta Road to I-465. This is a change from the earlier ROD map which depicted a "fourth" northbound lane as a collector-distributor from Southport Road to Epler Avenue, and a "fourth" southbound lane between the I-465 interchange and Southport Road also as a collector-distributor. This might be just a map modification or it may indicate a meaningful design change. To find out, we'll have to wait until the drawings are released. Of interest, too, is the amount of work that will take place between I-65 and I-70 on the southside of I-465; it's extensive, to say the least, and will involve both roadway expansion and the widening and rehabilitation of numerous bridges.

Links:Old ROD I-69/I-465 map: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/Map%208%20Stop%2011%20Road%20to%20I-465.pdf
         Updated I-69 Finish Line map: https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Contract-5.pdf

The maps take a while to completely load, so be patient. Here's the general link to the updated maps (8 total) on the I-69 Finish Line webpage:

https://i69finishline.com/maps/

Clarification: I again examined the proposed I-69/I-465 interchange on both the old ROD map and the updated map on the I-69 Finish Line website. It appears nothing of significance has changed design wise since the ROD. Without the opportunity to examine actual drawings, it's difficult to determine whether there will be four mainline lanes in each direction south of the I-69/I-465 interchange, or whether there will just be a "fourth" collector-distributor lane between Southport and Epler roads. If I-69 is three lanes in each direction north of Epler Road, that would mean the I-69/I-465 interchange would feature both one and two lane ramps. For example, the southbound ramp to I-69 south from I-465 west might be two lanes, but the ramp from I-465 east would be one lane. Thus, the two ramps would then merge to form the three-lane mainline just north of Epler Road. Now if the mainline was four lanes in each direction north of Epler and down to Southport Road, each ramp to and from I-465 would likely feature two lanes.

Edit: Minor wording changes; added Clarification paragraph.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
^ The interchange design at I-465 doesn't seem to favor a particular direction being mainline I-69.  Seems odd considering how Kentucky supposedly had to somewhat favor mainline I-69 at the western I-24 interchange and Western Kentucky/Pennyrile interchange IIRC.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 23, 2020, 10:45:11 PM
Even so 69 will still follow eb 465 and go around the south and east sides of Indy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on October 24, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
^ The interchange design at I-465 doesn't seem to favor a particular direction being mainline I-69.  Seems odd considering how Kentucky supposedly had to somewhat favor mainline I-69 at the western I-24 interchange and Western Kentucky/Pennyrile interchange IIRC.

I could be wrong but I think that western I-24/I-69 interchange in Kentucky had a cloverleaf for the I-24WB to 69SB movement, so they had to re-build that interchange to get rid of the TOTSO. IMO, if they had re-built that interchange to favor mainline I-24 (and built a flyover for that 24WB to 69SB movement to replace the cloverleaf), the FHWA would have probably accepted it.

The design they have for that I-69/I-465 interchange looks fine to me. I guess it's technically still a TOTSO but if 465 is going to be 4 lanes through that interchange, I would think they would favor that (if they had to favor one) instead of 69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on October 24, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 24, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
^ The interchange design at I-465 doesn't seem to favor a particular direction being mainline I-69.  Seems odd considering how Kentucky supposedly had to somewhat favor mainline I-69 at the western I-24 interchange and Western Kentucky/Pennyrile interchange IIRC.

I could be wrong but I think that interchange in Kentucky had a cloverleaf for the I-24WB to 69SB interchange, so they had to re-build that interchange to get rid of the TOTSO. IMO, if they had re-built that interchange to favor mainline I-24 (and built a flyover for that 24WB to 69SB movement to replace the cloverleaf), the FHWA would have probably accepted it.

The design they have for that I-69/I-465 interchange looks fine to me. I guess it's technically still a TOTSO but if 465 is going to be 4 lanes through that interchange, it doesn't make sense to have to re-align those lanes when they could do it with a 2-lane (I'm guessing that's what they're doing there) flyover.

Although I-69 will require a TOTSO at I-465 (at both locations where it interchanges with the beltway), since the principal traffic pattern on I-465, as with any beltway, is all but certain to remain with through traffic rather than that exiting to I-69, there's no pressing need to provide a LH exit from CW (west) I-465 to the new I-69.  A semi-directional flyover will suffice nicely.  Tearing up I-465 simply to provide a directional ramp would be gratuitous (and a bit anal-retentive, if you ask me!).  INDOT is certainly not going to do likewise with the I-465 interchange with the existing I-69 in the NE quadrant of the bypass; no need to do so with the southern segment.  I-24/69 in KY was relatively simple to do -- I-24 already had a wide median, and constructing the single EB I-24 overhead was almost certainly a lot more cost-effective than a long RH exit flyover. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on October 24, 2020, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: sparker on October 24, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 24, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
I could be wrong but I think that interchange in Kentucky had a cloverleaf for the I-24WB to 69SB interchange, so they had to re-build that interchange to get rid of the TOTSO. IMO, if they had re-built that interchange to favor mainline I-24 (and built a flyover for that 24WB to 69SB movement to replace the cloverleaf), the FHWA would have probably accepted it.

The design they have for that I-69/I-465 interchange looks fine to me. I guess it's technically still a TOTSO but if 465 is going to be 4 lanes through that interchange, it doesn't make sense to have to re-align those lanes when they could do it with a 2-lane (I'm guessing that's what they're doing there) flyover.

Although I-69 will require a TOTSO at I-465 (at both locations where it interchanges with the beltway), since the principal traffic pattern on I-465, as with any beltway, is all but certain to remain with through traffic rather than that exiting to I-69, there's no pressing need to provide a LH exit from CW (west) I-465 to the new I-69.  A semi-directional flyover will suffice nicely.  Tearing up I-465 simply to provide a directional ramp would be gratuitous (and a bit anal-retentive, if you ask me!).  INDOT is certainly not going to do likewise with the I-465 interchange with the existing I-69 in the NE quadrant of the bypass; no need to do so with the southern segment.  I-24/69 in KY was relatively simple to do -- I-24 already had a wide median, and constructing the single EB I-24 overhead was almost certainly a lot more cost-effective than a long RH exit flyover.

I agree with all your points on I-465. It doesn't make sense to have to re-align it so that I-69 is through movement. They don't do that with I-74.

As for that I-69/I-24 interchange, I completely agree with what they did there. I was just saying that if they had to (if they didn't have enough ROW, for example), they could have replaced that cloverleaf movement with a flyover.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 24, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
I can see keeping I-74/I-465 as the mainline versus I-69.  It's the ramps at the south half of the Y I am wondering about.  If I-69 is going to the east half of the I-465 loop, based on what Kentucky did the NB I-69 to WB I-74/I-465 ramp should leave to the right of the NB to EB ramp.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on October 25, 2020, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 24, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
^ The interchange design at I-465 doesn't seem to favor a particular direction being mainline I-69.  Seems odd considering how Kentucky supposedly had to somewhat favor mainline I-69 at the western I-24 interchange and Western Kentucky/Pennyrile interchange IIRC.

I could be wrong but I think that western I-24/I-69 interchange in Kentucky had a cloverleaf for the I-24WB to 69SB movement, so they had to re-build that interchange to get rid of the TOTSO. IMO, if they had re-built that interchange to favor mainline I-24 (and built a flyover for that 24WB to 69SB movement to replace the cloverleaf), the FHWA would have probably accepted it.

You are correct. You can see it on an older Google Earth image from 2015. A relic of the Jackson Purchase Parkway ending there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 26, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 24, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
I can see keeping I-74/I-465 as the mainline versus I-69.  It's the ramps at the south half of the Y I am wondering about.  If I-69 is going to the east half of the I-465 loop, based on what Kentucky did the NB I-69 to WB I-74/I-465 ramp should leave to the right of the NB to EB ramp.
I could care less about what they do with the Y. However, if it were up to me, making the NB-WB movement go left would be my preferred choice. And although I normally hate TOTSOs, this one doesn't bother me as much, seeing that I-74 has them at both ends of its own concurrency.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on October 26, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Based on I-69's planned routing along I-465, does it not already connect with I-70 on the east side?

Or are you proposing a connector to the airport, something like an extention of the Reagan/Ameriplex Parkway?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 26, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 26, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Based on I-69’s planned routing along I-465, does it not already connect with I-70 on the east side?

Or are you proposing a connector to the airport, something like an extention of the Reagan/Ameriplex Parkway?

That's already in the works. The project's called Decatur Direct, and it's been discussed in the forum:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26794.0

Addendum: To hazard a guess, I think the I-70 connection wished for is for I-69 to extend north of I-465, and thence intersect with I-70.

What's drawn my focus recently is whether I-69 will have four mainline lanes in each direction between Southport Road and the I-69/I-465 interchange. The current and old maps are not clear about this, and the drawings have yet to be uploaded. If the I-69 mainline is indeed four lanes with standard ramps for Southport and Epler roads, then it's likely the I-465 ramps will each have two lanes. However, if the I-69 mainline is three lanes in each direction north of Epler, which was the plan according to the Record of Decision, the I-69 ramps to/from I-465 West likely will be only one lane. Considering the population and traffic growth over the next 30 years will that be sufficient?

Edit: Added the Addendum
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 26, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 26, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 26, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Based on I-69's planned routing along I-465, does it not already connect with I-70 on the east side?

Or are you proposing a connector to the airport, something like an extention of the Reagan/Ameriplex Parkway?

That's already in the works. The project's called Decatur Direct, and it's been discussed in the forum:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26794.0

Addendum: To hazard a guess, I think the I-70 connection wished for is for I-69 to extend north of I-465, and thence intersect with I-70.

What's drawn my focus recently is whether I-69 will have four mainline lanes in each direction between Southport Road and the I-69/I-465 interchange. The current and old maps are not clear about this, and the drawings have yet to be uploaded. If the I-69 mainline is indeed four lanes with standard ramps for Southport and Epler roads, then it's likely the I-465 ramps will each have two lanes. However, if the I-69 mainline is three lanes in each direction north of Epler, which was the plan according to the Record of Decision, the I-69 ramps to/from I-465 West likely will be only one lane. Considering the population and traffic growth over the next 30 years will that be sufficient?

Edit: Added the Addendum

Decatur Direct is an Indy DPW job to extend Ameriplex Pkwy, I wonder how soon this will get built given the city's funds. back in the day SR 37 was supposed to be an interstate freeway grade road from harding st. and 465 up to the inner loop, it would have made the west leg of the inner loop, then ran on the north leg with 65 and shoot north up an alignment that would have tied into what is now binford blvd. this project was killed because it was impossible to build feasibly, do to those damn railroad tracks and the white river on the west side of downtown indy. side note: indy has proposed removing those tracks inside downtown indy but it's another mess in how that would work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 27, 2020, 12:12:37 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 26, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Based on I-69's planned routing along I-465, does it not already connect with I-70 on the east side?

Or are you proposing a connector to the airport, something like an extention of the Reagan/Ameriplex Parkway?

INDOT has had plans for the western arterial belt for a long time. It is supposed to go north all the way to Whitestone Parkway and I-65 and to Southport Road when it crosses the White River to I-69.

It all started when Hendricks County began restricting development in the corridor east of Avon way back in the 1990's.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 27, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 27, 2020, 12:12:37 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 26, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Based on I-69's planned routing along I-465, does it not already connect with I-70 on the east side?

Or are you proposing a connector to the airport, something like an extention of the Reagan/Ameriplex Parkway?

INDOT has had plans for the western arterial belt for a long time. It is supposed to go north all the way to Whitestone Parkway and I-65 and to Southport Road when it crosses the White River to I-69.

It all started when Hendricks County began restricting development in the corridor east of Avon way back in the 1990's.

The west leg off the inner loop became West St. i think the piece between 65 and 70 should be a state road still. the "secret outer beltway" is all local routes and locally funded. RR Parkway will eventually tie into SR 267 somewhere in whitestown, I think it is being designed but I can't confirm this. Johnson Co messed up their portion, with it not being possible to extend Worthsville Road west to the county line. Shelby Co doesn't appear to be working on a road like this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 27, 2020, 08:47:32 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 27, 2020, 12:12:37 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 26, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 26, 2020, 01:28:22 PM

Im looking forward to the day that I69 connects with I70 but that seems unlikely
Based on I-69's planned routing along I-465, does it not already connect with I-70 on the east side?

Or are you proposing a connector to the airport, something like an extention of the Reagan/Ameriplex Parkway?

INDOT has had plans for the western arterial belt for a long time. It is supposed to go north all the way to Whitestone Parkway and I-65 and to Southport Road when it crosses the White River to I-69.

It all started when Hendricks County began restricting development in the corridor east of Avon way back in the 1990's.

The west leg off the inner loop became West St. i think the piece between 65 and 70 should be a state road still. the "secret outer beltway" is all local routes and locally funded. RR Parkway will eventually tie into SR 267 somewhere in whitestown, I think it is being designed but I can't confirm this. Johnson Co messed up their portion, with it not being possible to extend Worthsville Road west to the county line. Shelby Co doesn't appear to be working on a road like this.

https://evogov.s3.amazonaws.com/media/30/media/31314.pdf

This is an older document from before the last sections in Hendricks county got built, but there is a map on page 10 showing the options for a northward extension. Three of the potential routes connect to I-65 at 267, and the other at Whitestown Pkwy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 27, 2020, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 26, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
Decatur Direct is an Indy DPW job to extend Ameriplex Pkwy, I wonder how soon this will get built given the city's funds. back in the day SR 37 was supposed to be an interstate freeway grade road from harding st. and 465 up to the inner loop, it would have made the west leg of the inner loop, then ran on the north leg with 65 and shoot north up an alignment that would have tied into what is now binford blvd. this project was killed because it was impossible to build feasibly, do to those damn railroad tracks and the white river on the west side of downtown indy. side note: indy has proposed removing those tracks inside downtown indy but it's another mess in how that would work.

I don't recall seeing a plan that had a connection from a downtown loop (with an unbuilt leg along West Street) to Harding Street - not saying there wasn't one - but I do recall a previous plan for Indy that had a Harding Street corridor up to I-65 from I-465 west of the IN 37 interchange on the south side.  IIRC that plan also had an east-west connector from the Harding corridor to I-65 at the MLK Street interchange and another east-west corridor from I-65 near 30th Street east to the unbuilt I-165/I-69 corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 28, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
ok what I meant was for I69 to keep going north past 465 and connecting with I70 just before hitting down town
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 28, 2020, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 28, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
ok what I meant was for I69 to keep going north past 465 and connecting with I70 just before hitting down town

That was likely a part of the original 1950s/1960s plans, but it was dropped long ago, just like with the I-69 plans on the northeast side of town.  It'll instead up follow I-465 east around town.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on October 28, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 28, 2020, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 28, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
ok what I meant was for I69 to keep going north past 465 and connecting with I70 just before hitting down town

That was likely a part of the original 1950s/1960s plans, but it was dropped long ago, just like with the I-69 plans on the northeast side of town.  It'll instead up follow I-465 east around town.

Mike

Wasn't I-69 south of Indianapolis a more recent development than that (making the stubs at the I-65/70 split the planned terminus of the route), or was an expressway following SR 37 into downtown from the south actually proposed at one point?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheStranger on October 28, 2020, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: rte66man on October 25, 2020, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 24, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 23, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
^ The interchange design at I-465 doesn't seem to favor a particular direction being mainline I-69.  Seems odd considering how Kentucky supposedly had to somewhat favor mainline I-69 at the western I-24 interchange and Western Kentucky/Pennyrile interchange IIRC.

I could be wrong but I think that western I-24/I-69 interchange in Kentucky had a cloverleaf for the I-24WB to 69SB movement, so they had to re-build that interchange to get rid of the TOTSO. IMO, if they had re-built that interchange to favor mainline I-24 (and built a flyover for that 24WB to 69SB movement to replace the cloverleaf), the FHWA would have probably accepted it.

You are correct. You can see it on an older Google Earth image from 2015. A relic of the Jackson Purchase Parkway ending there.

I recall the 24/69 interchange upgrade is what ultimately led to the closure to nearby Kentucky Lake Motor Speedway in 2015:

https://www.kfvs12.com/story/30118246/kentucky-lake-motor-speedway-closes/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on October 29, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 28, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 28, 2020, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 28, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
ok what I meant was for I69 to keep going north past 465 and connecting with I70 just before hitting down town

That was likely a part of the original 1950s/1960s plans, but it was dropped long ago, just like with the I-69 plans on the northeast side of town.  It'll instead up follow I-465 east around town.

Mike

Wasn't I-69 south of Indianapolis a more recent development than that (making the stubs at the I-65/70 split the planned terminus of the route), or was an expressway following SR 37 into downtown from the south actually proposed at one point?
I-69's southern extension wasn't planned until 1998, but if the original Binford alignment had been built, then the most logical thing to do would be to continue through downtown until it met I-465 again. I wouldn't be surprised if an IN 37 expressway upgrade had been in the works to complement the northeastern proposal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on October 30, 2020, 11:59:56 PM
I was in Indy this week and noticed the acquisition and demolition where I69 will be new terrain and the junction south of 465 seems to be well underway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 31, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 29, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 28, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Wasn't I-69 south of Indianapolis a more recent development than that (making the stubs at the I-65/70 split the planned terminus of the route), or was an expressway following SR 37 into downtown from the south actually proposed at one point?
I-69's southern extension wasn't planned until 1998, but if the original Binford alignment had been built, then the most logical thing to do would be to continue through downtown until it met I-465 again. I wouldn't be surprised if an IN 37 expressway upgrade had been in the works to complement the northeastern proposal.

It wouldn't surprise me if Indiana had a non-I-69 freeway proposal in the 1960's and early 1970's for the Indy-Evansville corridor.  It seems like most states had supplemental freeway/expressway plans back then, but only a few of them (such as Illinois and Iowa) have had much information make it online.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on October 31, 2020, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 31, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 29, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 28, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Wasn't I-69 south of Indianapolis a more recent development than that (making the stubs at the I-65/70 split the planned terminus of the route), or was an expressway following SR 37 into downtown from the south actually proposed at one point?
I-69's southern extension wasn't planned until 1998, but if the original Binford alignment had been built, then the most logical thing to do would be to continue through downtown until it met I-465 again. I wouldn't be surprised if an IN 37 expressway upgrade had been in the works to complement the northeastern proposal.
I-69 had been discussed in the 1980s and there was a proposal in the earlier 90s for a route to go to Indianapolis, similar to what was finally constructed, but environmentalists fought that, so they had to have the environmental impact statements again and surveyed different routes (more wasted money and time) and we did end up with almost the same route that we were going to have before.  All along these people kept complaining that we would save ten miles or fifteen minutes, over US 41/I-70  (which it will end up to be quite a few more miles than 10 saved, and about 45 minutes once the road is done-Indianapolis to Evansville)

It wouldn't surprise me if Indiana had a non-I-69 freeway proposal in the 1960's and early 1970's for the Indy-Evansville corridor.  It seems like most states had supplemental freeway/expressway plans back then, but only a few of them (such as Illinois and Iowa) have had much information make it online.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 09, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
I was seeing an article this morning on the Indianapolis Star's website about the upcoming improvements to I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side of Indy. They showed a detailed video showing how the new interchange would appear. Even the signage looked very nice from what they showed. I was taken back by this proposed sign at what would be the point where I-69 south exits onto I-465 (after the split with the new Binford collector.)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50583638532_7c4d516e55_b.jpg)

Colored me surprised to see them sign Evansville on the NORTH SIDE of Indianapolis. Also noticed how they clearly do route I-69 on this part of I-465, for those who were still wondering about what part of 465 they were going to use. Other signs in the video only make mention of I-69 for northbound traffic which makes me believe that they are indeed cutting SR 37 out of its current multiplex with I-69, likely starting the segment up in Fishers.

Now I kind of wonder if we'll be seeing Fort Wayne on the signs for I-69 at the new interchange with I-465 on the south side?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on November 09, 2020, 11:13:04 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 09, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
I was seeing an article this morning on the Indianapolis Star's website about the upcoming improvements to I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side of Indy.
Here is a direct link to the INDOT video: 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 09, 2020, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 09, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
I was seeing an article this morning on the Indianapolis Star's website about the upcoming improvements to I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side of Indy. They showed a detailed video showing how the new interchange would appear. Even the signage looked very nice from what they showed. I was taken back by this proposed sign at what would be the point where I-69 south exits onto I-465 (after the split with the new Binford collector.)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50583638532_7c4d516e55_b.jpg)

Colored me surprised to see them sign Evansville on the NORTH SIDE of Indianapolis. Also noticed how they clearly do route I-69 on this part of I-465, for those who were still wondering about what part of 465 they were going to use. Other signs in the video only make mention of I-69 for northbound traffic which makes me believe that they are indeed cutting SR 37 out of its current multiplex with I-69, likely starting the segment up in Fishers.

Now I kind of wonder if we'll be seeing Fort Wayne on the signs for I-69 at the new interchange with I-465 on the south side?

Wonderful news! also 69 was never not going around the east side, I don't know why people still think it would go on the west side. also it makes sense for the signs to say Eville, I believe the southern connection to 465 will be either done on on its way to being done by the time this one on the NE side is done. sad to see 37 bite the dust here but it serves no purpose anymore in between bloomington and fishers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 09, 2020, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 09, 2020, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 09, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
I was seeing an article this morning on the Indianapolis Star's website about the upcoming improvements to I-69 and I-465 on the northeast side of Indy. They showed a detailed video showing how the new interchange would appear. Even the signage looked very nice from what they showed. I was taken back by this proposed sign at what would be the point where I-69 south exits onto I-465 (after the split with the new Binford collector.)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50583638532_7c4d516e55_b.jpg)

Colored me surprised to see them sign Evansville on the NORTH SIDE of Indianapolis. Also noticed how they clearly do route I-69 on this part of I-465, for those who were still wondering about what part of 465 they were going to use. Other signs in the video only make mention of I-69 for northbound traffic which makes me believe that they are indeed cutting SR 37 out of its current multiplex with I-69, likely starting the segment up in Fishers.

Now I kind of wonder if we'll be seeing Fort Wayne on the signs for I-69 at the new interchange with I-465 on the south side?

Wonderful news! also 69 was never not going around the east side, I don't know why people still think it would go on the west side. also it makes sense for the signs to say Eville, I believe the southern connection to 465 will be either done on on its way to being done by the time this one on the NE side is done. sad to see 37 bite the dust here but it serves no purpose anymore in between bloomington and fishers.

I think it was always presumed that I-69 was going to be routed along the south and east legs of I-465, but this is the first thing I've seen that INDOT has officially made a decision to that effect. Up until this point, it was still speculation, but those renderings now reflect the official position of INDOT on how they're going to route I-69 around Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on November 10, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
One question that I have mulled around in my brain is this:  even though the conversion of IN-37 to I-69 from Martinsville to Indy is still in the works, I-465 is a completed highway, so would you say that I-69 is completed down to the IN-37 intersection, but not yet signed? 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on November 10, 2020, 11:53:05 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 09, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Now I kind of wonder if we'll be seeing Fort Wayne on the signs for I-69 at the new interchange with I-465 on the south side?

I believe so as I think it must be a requirement for concurrent connections on new signage. Peoria and Cincinnati never showed up on I-465 signage along the I-74 concurrent section until interchange upgrades like at I-65. I had already played around with the prospective interchange in SignMaker and I posted Fort Wayne as a control city for its exit onto I-465 east.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 10, 2020, 03:12:47 PM
INDOT has set up a new webpage to provide information about the impending closure of State Road 37 in Martinsville next year. Walsh Construction, the general contractor, has authority to close the road for up to a year beginning January 2, 2021. As the ground will be frozen in January and February, it's a good bet Walsh will wait until around March to begin the closure.

Link: INDOT SR 37 Closure webpage: https://i69finishline.com/closure/

Of interest, the Local Access Map uploaded to the webpage indicates that the Ohio Street-Mahalasville Road/SR 37 crossing in Martinsville will remain open throughout the closure. This is a change, and it's significant, as it should allow traffic from Martinsville proper to access Burton Lane via Southview Drive south of SR 37. Using Burton Lane, drivers will be able to reach the I-69/Liberty Church Road intersection, thereby avoiding Morton Avenue, which will be carrying I-69 traffic during the closure. The map also indicates the Burton Lane/SR 37 crossing will be open for most of 2021. These modest adjustments are good news for the folks of Martinsville who plan to head south on I-69.

Reconstruction of Morton Avenue and SR 39 in Martinsville is now complete; striping was undertaken last week. Morton Avenue is configured as two lanes in each direction. At the Morton Avenue/SR 39 intersection heading north, there is a double left turn at the light. On SR 39, the road matches the four lanes of Morton Avenue for a stretch, but narrows to two lanes as it approaches the railroad crossing. After the crossing, it widens again to four lanes near the bridge over the White River. So the northbound I-69 traffic pattern in Martinsville when SR 37 is closed will consist of a merge to one lane prior to the Indian Creek bridge on SR 37, two lanes throughout Morton and a stretch of SR 39, another merge to one lane due to the railroad crossing, before once again becoming four lanes near the SR 39/SR 67 intersection. To be sure, it's workable. Is it ideal? Probably not. Then again, detours are not generally ideal.

North of Martinsville, the official detour will utilize SR 67 and SR 144. Again, not ideal, because drivers will be encountering lights and traffic in Mooresville. For some, the detour may prove unwieldy and time consuming. Those who regularly drive between points south of Martinsville and Indianapolis will be feeling the pain. Some may try workarounds. Ahem! Centerton Road. All in all, however, the official detour is workable. It is what it is. The more vehicles that use alternative routes radiating south of Indianapolis, such as I-65 to either SR 46 or US Route 50, the better.

In Martinsville, west and south of Morton Avenue and SR 39 there are number of businesses and residences. With heavy traffic on Morton and SR 39 during the closure, accessing these locations may prove problematic. Left turns will be difficult and probably hazardous to attempt. Perhaps the only safe way will be right in, right out. Cumbersome, yes, but it may be the only reasonable option during periods of heavy traffic.

Going forward, when SR 37 is closed, it is important to acknowledge the first few weeks of the closure will likely engender confusion, irritation, and anger. People will adjust, but it will take time. It behooves INDOT to listen, be flexible, and make adjustments if deemed appropriate.

Next Wednesday, November 18, 2020, the forth contract of Section 6 is scheduled to be let. This contract is for the upgrading of SR 37 to interstate standards from Martinsville up to Fairview Road in Johnson County, with interchanges at SR 144 and Smith Valley Road, and ramps to complete the interchange at Henderson Ford Road.

Earlier this month I motored down SR 37 to Mitchell, Indiana, in Lawrence County, to take pictures of southern Indiana life. Here's a couple of transportation related photos:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50578723437_62ee0e1d32_k.jpg)
Filling up a 1930 Ford Model A Pickup at the Sunoco service station on Main Street in Mitchell, Indiana. Photo was taken Saturday, November 7, 2020.

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An Amish gentleman returns to his buggy and horse (background, behind the black SUV) after a quick stop at the 60's Eastside convenience mart in Mitchell. Photo was taken Saturday, November 7, 2020.

More Section 6 road construction pictures to come.

Edit: Minor edits for readability and accuracy.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on November 10, 2020, 06:59:09 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on November 10, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
One question that I have mulled around in my brain is this:  even though the conversion of IN-37 to I-69 from Martinsville to Indy is still in the works, I-465 is a completed highway, so would you say that I-69 is completed down to the IN-37 intersection, but not yet signed? 

Technically, yes -- but it's pretty much a certainty that INDOT won't post I-69 shields or replace their BGS panels along the relevant segment of I-465 until the southern I-69 interchange and the approach to such is at least almost completed -- and even then the BGS signage for the I-69 multiplex would likely be masked until the connection is actually opened to traffic.     
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
On Sunday, November 8, I went up to Martinsville and Morgan County to check out the progress of Section 6. As I approached Martinsville in the late afternoon, I was surprised to see a crew at work paving the southbound mainline between the bridge over Indian Creek and the State Road 37/SR 39 interchange. Apparently, the construction schedule is tight and every good weather day is not to wasted. The crew was still at it when I returned as dusk was falling.

Work continues on the four new overpasses in Morgan County: Egbert Road, Henderson Ford Road, Perry Road, and Waverly Road. Although I didn't stop for look-sees, the Henderson Ford Road and Perry Road overpasses appear to be approaching completion. Sidewall work is underway on the Wavery Road bridge, while the Egbert Road overpass still awaits sidewall construction.

Here's two sets of photos. The first, at the Egbert Road overpass, was taken Sunday, November 8, 2020; the second, the paving south of Indian Creek, Monday, November 9.

Egbert Road overpass
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Looking northeast toward State Road 37 from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County, Indiana. Visible in the deep background (expand the photo) is the berm of earth for the approach to the Henderson Ford Road overpass (out of view, behind the trees).

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State Road 37; looking south from the Egbert Road overpass. In the mid-background, indicated by the median guardrails, are the mainline bridges over Clear Creek. These bridges will be replaced and widened as part of the forth Section 6 contract, which is scheduled to be let November 18th.

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Different perspective of State Road 37 looking northeast from the Egbert Road overpass.

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Another view looking south toward SR 37 from the Egbert overpass.

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Long range view looking northeast from the Egbert overpass.

Mainline Paving, South of Indian Creek, Morgan County

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Paving the left southbound lane of the mainline with PCCP just south of the new replacement bridge over Indian Creek in Morgan County; looking northwest. It was a pleasant surprise to see the crew placing Portland Cement Concrete Pavement on this section of roadway. Gotta wonder if the whole Martinsville mainline segment will be PCCP.

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Closer look at the paving operation; looking northwest. The crew was only paving the left mainline lane. Two pieces of equipment were used: (1) a material handler machine that accepted the concrete from trucks, which via a boom (pictured, right) conducted the material to the (2) spreader (not pictured).

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Closer look at the PCCP spreading machine using the long range lens; looking northwest.

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Making sure everything is exactly on track as planned. The wheelbarrow is utilized for concrete slump tests.

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Applying the liquid membrane concrete curing compound (the white stuff) to the freshly placed concrete; looking northwest. Pictured, too, is the newly-built replacement bridge that will carry southbound I-69 over Indian Creek.

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Signage along State Road 37 northbound just north of the bridge over Indian Creek; looking slightly northwest. At this location, the two northbound lanes of SR 37 split, with the left lane maintaining the mainline, while the right exits to SR 39. When SR 37 is closed in 2021, all southbound and northbound I-69/SR 37 traffic will be conducted across the southbound Indian Creek bridge (pictured above), and then straight onto Morton Avenue in Martinsville. This will allow for the reconstruction of the SR 37/SR 39 interchange and other mainline and interchange work along the Martinsville segment.

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Another view of the material handling machine accepting a load of concrete; looking northwest.

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One more of the spreader. The crew was only paving the left lane. Why both southbound lanes weren't paved at the same time I do not know. Could be that forming the lanes separately creates a deeper expansion joint, thereby allowing the roadway to better withstand the variations between Indiana's cold winters and hot summers. Just a guess. Anyone?

Edit: Swapped out a photo for another, similar but cropped; minor edits for readabilty.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on November 13, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
I have NEVER seen concrete delivered in an open bed dump truck. How on earth do they maintain consistency?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on November 13, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
^My guess is it's a dry cast (https://precast.org/2015/09/top-10-facts-about-dry-cast-concrete/) concrete.

As far as paving one lane at a time, I think that's standard practice - if the whole highway was paved as one slab, a crack that occurs in one location is able to propagate uncontrolled for long distances. Paving in multiple sections introduces natural joints that stop cracks from propagating, so if a crack opens up in one lane, it's less likely to continue on to the next. Maybe they're going to wait for that first lane to cure because the spreader/dump truck access might mess up uncured pavement.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on November 13, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: rte66man on November 13, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
I have NEVER seen concrete delivered in an open bed dump truck. How on earth do they maintain consistency?

In many large projects like this, they have a concrete mixing station on site.  If they have "just in time" delivery, there may not be any need for the concrete to be mixed along the way to the paver.  And probably the paver machine gives it one more swish around before putting it on the ground.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 13, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: rte66man on November 13, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
I have NEVER seen concrete delivered in an open bed dump truck. How on earth do they maintain consistency?

It's fairly common in the United States. The amount of material needed for a typical road paving project is enormous, and, realistically, the only way to supply it is via open bed dump trucks, with up to a couple dozen, or more, on the job. To maintain consistency, the trucks have a limited time between picking up a load at the plant and arriving on site for delivery. The amount of time depends on the temperature and humidity. Temperate spring and autumn temperatures are better than the hot days of summer. Next time one sees a dump truck roaring down the road, it might be because they're carrying a load of fresh concrete.

Southwest of Bloomington, long stretches of Section 4 in Monroe and Greene counties were paved with Portland Cement Concrete Pavement. There were at least two portable concrete batch plants that were assembled and utilized by contractors. Other contractors used material that was prepared at a batch plant on Oard Road in Bloomington.

Section 4; Monroe County, Greene County

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In southern Monroe County, Indiana, paving the northbound lanes of Interstate 69 with PCCP; looking east from the Harmony Road bridge. Photo was taken October 23, 2015.

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Closer look of the above paving operation. October 23, 2015.

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Paving the northbound lanes of I-69 near Hobbieville Road (overpass, background) in Greene County, Indiana; looking north. Photo was October 10, 2015.

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Prior to paving with PCCP, dowel rods have been placed across the northbound lanes of future I-69 north of Hobbieville Road in Greene County. October 10, 2015.

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A portable batch facility just north of the I-69/SR 45 interchange in Greene County. Photo was taken November 7, 2015.

Although not related to the I-69 Corridor Project, here's a video of a dump truck receiving a load of concrete at a batch plant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qae7oDKCTas

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on November 14, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: csw on November 13, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
^My guess is it's a dry cast (https://precast.org/2015/09/top-10-facts-about-dry-cast-concrete/) concrete.

As far as paving one lane at a time, I think that's standard practice - if the whole highway was paved as one slab, a crack that occurs in one location is able to propagate uncontrolled for long distances. Paving in multiple sections introduces natural joints that stop cracks from propagating, so if a crack opens up in one lane, it's less likely to continue on to the next. Maybe they're going to wait for that first lane to cure because the spreader/dump truck access might mess up uncured pavement.

The I-69 reconstruction near Marion has been paved one lane at a time as well. You can see it on GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5595436,-85.5511732,3a,15y,154.73h,87.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqnjfpepjNG4IitcdU9UVSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US) in progress.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on November 15, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 13, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: rte66man on November 13, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
I have NEVER seen concrete delivered in an open bed dump truck. How on earth do they maintain consistency?

It's fairly common in the United States. The amount of material needed for a typical road paving project is enormous, and, realistically, the only way to supply it is via open bed dump trucks, with up to a couple dozen, or more, on the job. To maintain consistency, the trucks have a limited time between picking up a load at the plant and arriving on site for delivery. The amount of time depends on the temperature and humidity. Temperate spring and autumn temperatures are better than the hot days of summer. Next time one sees a dump truck roaring down the road, it might be because they're carrying a load of fresh concrete.

I'm going to hazard a guess and say its not done to any great extent in Oklahoma because of the heat but I will pay more attention when I pass the next paving project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 15, 2020, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: rte66man on November 13, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
I have NEVER seen concrete delivered in an open bed dump truck. How on earth do they maintain consistency?

They usually set up mobile batch plants near the sites where they're laying the concrete so it's a relatively short trip to transport the concrete from the production facility to the job site.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Georgia on November 16, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
the width of the dump truck compared to the hopper also makes more sense for continuous concrete paving options.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 22, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
I was surprised to see a crew at work paving the southbound mainline between the bridge over Indian Creek and the State Road 37/SR 39 interchange

Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
Paving the left southbound lane of the mainline with PCCP just south of the new replacement bridge over Indian Creek in Morgan County

Just for clarity, was the paving taking place north of Indian Creek or south of Indian Creek? It seems like there's a contradiction here, but I admit I might be misunderstanding something.

Past that, great pics as per usual.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 23, 2020, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 22, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
I was surprised to see a crew at work paving the southbound mainline between the bridge over Indian Creek and the State Road 37/SR 39 interchange

Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
Paving the left southbound lane of the mainline with PCCP just south of the new replacement bridge over Indian Creek in Morgan County

Just for clarity, was the paving taking place north of Indian Creek or south of Indian Creek? It seems like there's a contradiction here, but I admit I might be misunderstanding something.

Past that, great pics as per usual.

Section 6 begins just south of the Indian Creek bridges in Morgan County. The paving project referenced began on the southbound lanes near the SR 37/SR 39 interchange and moved south to the newly-replaced bridge (southbound span) over Indian Creek. Then, the next day, the equipment was shifted over the bridge to pave the short stretch of mainline south of the bridge, and that's when and where the photos were taken.

This map shows that little stretch of mainline south of the bridges over Indian Creek, as well as the new roads, interchanges, ramps, and soundwalls to be constructed under Contracts #1 and 2 of Section 6.

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Courtesy INDOT Finish Line.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 23, 2020, 02:48:04 PM
INDOT has released the official bid results for Section 6's fourth contract (#R-41542-A), which was let November 18, 2020. Only two bids were submitted. The contract has been awarded to a Rieth Riley/Crider & Crider joint venture, which submitted a bid of $345,736,027.96. This was slightly under the engineering estimate of $353,939,689.17. Walsh Construction was the other bidder.

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Courtesy INDOT.

Link: INDOT Bid Results, November 18, 2020 Letting: https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/letting/archive/2020/nov18/20201118_Official%20Tab.pdf

This is a big win for both Rieth Riley and Crider & Crider. Both companies are well known and respected for their work on road projects in Indiana and adjacent states. Crider & Crider, as some of you know, built the I-69/SR 37 interchange. The company was a prime sub for Section 5 and has been overseeing the construction of overpasses and service roads between Martinsville and the SR 37/SR 144 intersection under Section 6's third contact. Rieth Riley is a long established, employee-owned firm headquartered in Goshen, Indiana, with several satellite offices and asphalt plants in Indiana and Michigan.

Links:

Rieth Riley https://www.rieth-riley.com/
Crider & Crider https://criderandcrider.com/

Note: This contact (#R-41542-A) is for upgrade of State Road 37 to interstate standards from the SR 37/Morgan Street crossing just north of Martinsville up to Fairview Road in Johnson County, with interchanges at SR 144 and Smith Valley Road, and ramps to complete the interchange at Henderson Ford Road. The location shown in the Official Bid Result, November 18, 2020 Letting (posted above), denotes only the second of the three segments of work under the contract.

Edit: Added note.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 23, 2020, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 23, 2020, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 22, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
I was surprised to see a crew at work paving the southbound mainline between the bridge over Indian Creek and the State Road 37/SR 39 interchange

Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
Paving the left southbound lane of the mainline with PCCP just south of the new replacement bridge over Indian Creek in Morgan County

Just for clarity, was the paving taking place north of Indian Creek or south of Indian Creek? It seems like there's a contradiction here, but I admit I might be misunderstanding something.

Past that, great pics as per usual.

Section 6 begins just south of the Indian Creek bridges in Morgan County. The paving project referenced began on the southbound lanes near the SR 37/SR 39 interchange and moved south to the newly-replaced bridge (southbound span) over Indian Creek. Then, the next day, the equipment was shifted over the bridge to pave the short stretch of mainline south of the bridge, and that's when and where the photos were taken.

That's what I thought, and that's what's surprising me, since it appears from this image that the part south of the bridge was repaved, albeit in asphalt concrete, not too long ago. It seems wasteful to repave it again so soon even if they did change to cement concrete.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 23, 2020, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 13, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
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Does anyone know how fast those machines work? How many feet per day can they pave, assuming they hit no snags?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 24, 2020, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 23, 2020, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 13, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
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Does anyone know how fast those machines work? How many feet per day can they pave, assuming they hit no snags?

Per Gomaco:

http://www.gomaco.com/Resources/ps4000.html (http://www.gomaco.com/Resources/ps4000.html)

The PS-4000 dual lane spreader can locate up to 120 feet per minute as long as the aggregate tray can be kept full.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on November 24, 2020, 09:55:03 AM
Wow.  120 ft / min is about 1.36 mph.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 24, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
My guess is that they'll hold off on building the bridge until the Evansville-Indy segment is finished. Which would make sense, because doing both at the same time would've felt awkward, with a considerably large gap still left to fill in.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 24, 2020, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 23, 2020, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 13, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
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Does anyone know how fast those machines work? How many feet per day can they pave, assuming they hit no snags?

As one can imagine, there a myriad of factors that determine how much paving can be accomplished per day. Among these include the width and depth of the concrete slab to be placed, paving along curves or slopes, the nearness of the facility supplying the concrete, the ability of the paving machine, the experience of the paving crew, and, of course, the weather. Although some paving machines have the ability to pave rather quickly, moving hundreds of feet per hour, this is rarely the case in actual paving operations.   

Generally, a concrete paving crew will aim to pave between 1,500 and 2,500 feet per day, depending on the complexity of the project. In 2013, contractor Fred Weber, Inc., which had been awarded a contract to build a segment of I-69 in Section 3, set a goal of paving between 2,500 and 3,000 feet per day (see article linked below). Weber set up a portable batch plant in its work zone, so that was probably doable.

Because paving with either PCCP or asphalt is an expensive undertaking, contractors have a strong incentive to complete paving projects in as short of time as possible. Sometimes, however, going too fast can result in quality issues. For transportation agencies, such as INDOT, the quality and durability of the pavement is of paramount importance, so paving projects tend to be carefully monitored. In the road construction business, like every other type of business, there are dependable companies that produce quality product time and again, and, unfortunately, there are some who do not.

Link: https://www.gxcontractor.com/home/article/13007746/project-profile-going-3d-for-trimming-and-paving

Edit: spelling and grammar
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 24, 2020, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 23, 2020, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 23, 2020, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 22, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
I was surprised to see a crew at work paving the southbound mainline between the bridge over Indian Creek and the State Road 37/SR 39 interchange

Quote from: ITB on November 12, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
Paving the left southbound lane of the mainline with PCCP just south of the new replacement bridge over Indian Creek in Morgan County

Just for clarity, was the paving taking place north of Indian Creek or south of Indian Creek? It seems like there's a contradiction here, but I admit I might be misunderstanding something.

Past that, great pics as per usual.

Section 6 begins just south of the Indian Creek bridges in Morgan County. The paving project referenced began on the southbound lanes near the SR 37/SR 39 interchange and moved south to the newly-replaced bridge (southbound span) over Indian Creek. Then, the next day, the equipment was shifted over the bridge to pave the short stretch of mainline south of the bridge, and that's when and where the photos were taken.

That's what I thought, and that's what's surprising me, since it appears from this image that the part south of the bridge was repaved, albeit in asphalt concrete, not too long ago. It seems wasteful to repave it again so soon even if they did change to cement concrete.

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If I remember correctly, a few years back, because the stretch of SR 37 roadway south of Martinsville was deteriorating rapidly, INDOT decided it was appropriate to apply an inexpensive asphalt overlay as a temporary fix, cognizant that construction of Section 6 would commence in the not too distant future.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 25, 2020, 09:44:32 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 24, 2020, 09:55:03 AM
Wow.  120 ft / min is about 1.36 mph.

Remember, Gomaco says "up to".  Generally speaking it is usually slower for the reason ITB outlined above.

Also depends on the relative thickness of the pour as well.

If memory serves, Gomaco had to develop a new spreader when the Illinois Tollway specified a new (record at the time) pour depth for the I-355 North-South tollroad in DuPage County back in 1988.

Now all urban highways use that depth due to the volume of trucks. Rural highways like this one, probably not so much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on November 26, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
I wonder if the depths correlate to longevity? There are contrasts even within one state of how well concrete pavement holds up - such as I-99 on either side of State College.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 27, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: seicer on November 26, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
I wonder if the depths correlate to longevity? There are contrasts even within one state of how well concrete pavement holds up - such as I-99 on either side of State College.

When ISTHA spec'ed the deeper pour I asked a couple of civil guys about it at the time and they said "geez, that is airport runway depth".

I can't find the research, but heavy truck volume was found to cause premature cracking due to too much repetitive stress being transmitted all the way to the base. Somewhat the same as repetitive landings of 747's.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on November 27, 2020, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 27, 2020, 12:43:51 PM

When ISTHA spec'ed the deeper pour I asked a couple of civil guys about it at the time and they said "geez, that is airport runway depth".

I can't find the research, but heavy truck volume was found to cause premature cracking due to too much repetitive stress being transmitted all the way to the base. Somewhat the same as repetitive landings of 747's.
Concrete doesn't have much tensile strength - in other words, it's "easy to pull apart" with force. So when a truck axle & tire put a point load on it, there is tension at the bottom of the concrete slab that, when repeated, will eventually start a crack that migrates toward the top. Additional depth in the slab reduces the tensile forces at the bottom of the slab that will slow down the development of cracks. The reinforcing steel that you sometimes see in concrete pavements (continuously reinforced concrete or CRCP) helps a little bit, but as it is usually set in the middle of a pavement slab, doesn't counteract the tensile force where it is at its greatest, at the bottom. The steel is set more at an elevation that will hold the cracks tighter once they develop than to prevent them in the first place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on November 27, 2020, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 27, 2020, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 27, 2020, 12:43:51 PM

When ISTHA spec'ed the deeper pour I asked a couple of civil guys about it at the time and they said "geez, that is airport runway depth".

I can't find the research, but heavy truck volume was found to cause premature cracking due to too much repetitive stress being transmitted all the way to the base. Somewhat the same as repetitive landings of 747's.
Concrete doesn't have much tensile strength - in other words, it's "easy to pull apart" with force. So when a truck axle & tire put a point load on it, there is tension at the bottom of the concrete slab that, when repeated, will eventually start a crack that migrates toward the top. Additional depth in the slab reduces the tensile forces at the bottom of the slab that will slow down the development of cracks. The reinforcing steel that you sometimes see in concrete pavements (continuously reinforced concrete or CRCP) helps a little bit, but as it is usually set in the middle of a pavement slab, doesn't counteract the tensile force where it is at its greatest, at the bottom. The steel is set more at an elevation that will hold the cracks tighter once they develop than to prevent them in the first place.

I like to analogize a concrete beam as being like a stack of poker chips that is held together by a tensioned wire that is threaded through a hole that is drilled down its center.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 29, 2020, 03:23:11 AM
Quote from: seicer on November 26, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
I wonder if the depths correlate to longevity? There are contrasts even within one state of how well concrete pavement holds up - such as I-99 on either side of State College.

Although I didn't find anything about depth and longevity, I came across some interesting research and studies conducted by the National Concrete Pavement Technology Center, or, for short, the CP Tech Center (link below). Established in the year 2000, the CP Tech Center is closely associated with the Institute for Transportation at Iowa State University. Their research specialty: concrete pavement and roads.

In the report entitled "Engineering Concrete Pavement Mixtures for Durability" (link below), good concrete pavement depends on five factors: low w/cm; good air; enough cementitious – and no more; well graded aggregate; and improved internal curing (IC) using lightweight fine aggregates or super absorbent polymers. I think, but am not certain, that w/cm means "water to cement ratio." There was no mention about depth, but slab thickness probably does to some extent enhance pavement durability. I imagine the CP Tech Center would have more specific information. 

Because the concrete pavement industry is in tough, competitive struggle with the asphalt industry for market share in the United States and around the world, any technological advancement or breakthrough may generate billions in additional revenue for one side or the other. Pavement durability and cost appear to be the key factors. For instance, it would be a boon to state and municipal transportation agencies if the lifespan of either a concrete or asphalt road could be extended an additional 5 or 10 years before needing rehabilitation or replacing. If that in fact were to transpire, it may mean billions in savings. And that's where the work of the CP Tech Center comes into play – trying to find ways to make concrete pavement better, and at reasonable cost.

From what I've briefly looked at, the reports put out the CP Tech Center are generally not for the layperson, as they are loaded with arcane acronyms and industry-specific jargon. Nevertheless, browsing the Center's website and perusing the uploaded reports may be worthwhile for those willing to take the plunge.

Link: CP Tech Center https://cptechcenter.org/

Link: Engineering Concrete Pavement Mixtures for Durability report https://intrans.iastate.edu/app/uploads/sites/7/2019/08/43_REVISED-Engineering-Concrete-Pavement-Mixtures-for-Durability.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 29, 2020, 03:35:48 AM
A curious question (though probably mainly for ITB) since everyone is talking about concrete all of the sudden. How much of Section 6 is supposed to be concrete? I was driving through Martinsville this weekend and just thinking about how it may be nice to have the highway through the town be built in concrete so that they wouldn't have to touch it to much after construction, as opposed to redoing asphalt every few years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 29, 2020, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 29, 2020, 03:35:48 AM
A curious question (though probably mainly for ITB) since everyone is talking about concrete all of the sudden. How much of Section 6 is supposed to be concrete? I was driving through Martinsville this weekend and just thinking about how it may be nice to have the highway through the town be built in concrete so that they wouldn't have to touch it to much after construction, as opposed to redoing asphalt every few years.

Here's my take.

• Martinsville segment (from Indian Creek to 1 mile north of SR 44) — concrete

Since the contractor has already paved the southbound mainline south of the future I-69/SR 39 interchange with Portland Cement Concrete Pavement, I am assuming the entire Martinsville segment will be concrete. It's hard to see a change to asphalt, as they've already started with PCCP, but, I guess, it's possible though unlikely. Stipulations in the contract for the segment (Contract# R-33943) allowed the contractor the option to choose either PCCP or asphalt. Prior to bid submittal, the contractor had, in all likelihood, firmly decided which option was to utilized. And, from what we've seen, that decision appears to be concrete.

• Morgan County/Johnson County (Morgan Street to State Road 144) — asphalt

According to presentation materials for the Pre-bid conference for Contract# R-41542 (link provided below to download and view), the segment from Morgan Street to Henderson Ford Road is to be reconstructed and paved with asphalt. Additionally, the stretch from Henderson Ford Road to SR 144 is to undergo pavement rehabilitation and will be asphalt.

• Johnson County (State Road 144 to Fairview Road) — either concrete or asphalt

Stipulations in contract (R-41542) allow the contractor to pave this segment of mainline with either PCCP or asphalt. To me, at this time, it's a toss up which option will be selected. Will the Rieth Riley/Crider & Crider joint venture bring in a portable concrete facility? Lots of variables are involved.

• Johnson County/Marion County (just north of Fairview Road to I-465) — either concrete or asphalt

Aside from maps, little information has been made public about this segment. I presume the contract would, once again, allow the contractor the option of choosing either PCCP or asphalt for the mainline. But maybe not, as this segment of roadway will be more heavily traveled and pavement durability will be a major factor. Perhaps INDOT will put forward a concrete only option.

Please bear in mind I am in no way associated with the I-69 corridor project in any way.

Link: INDOT Letting Documents webpage https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/

The presentation materials referenced above are found in the Additional Information section for Contract #41542.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 30, 2020, 01:42:36 AM

On Saturday I drove up to Morgan County for another look at the construction progress of Section 6. Although activity is winding down as winter approaches, there is still work underway at select locations. My primary objective on this trip was to take a set of "before" photos of State Road 37 in Morgan and Johnson counties prior to full blown construction which will kick-off this spring. In that regard, I was only partially successful, as I was only able to take some shots at the SR 37/SR 144 intersection before the sun began to sink low on the horizon. Two years ago I took a handful of "before" photos, which I believe I have yet to share with the forum. Since construction of the I-69/SR 44 interchange commenced earlier this week with pile driving that's a good place to start.

Photos were taken Saturday, November 28, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

State Road 37/State Road 44 Intersection, Morgan County

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The SR 37/SR 44 intersection just north of Martinsville in Morgan County; looking northeast. This photo was taken November 3, 2018. Sadly, about a week after I snapped this photo a motorcyclist was killed at this intersection. If memory serves, the motorcyclist was traveling west on SR 44, had the green light, entered the intersection and was struck by a vehicle heading north on SR 37. The operator of the northbound vehicle, which ran the red light, was intoxicated.

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Pile driving at the SR 37/SR 44 work zone as construction of the future I-69/SR 44 intersection gets underway; looking southeast. Since the ground has not yet frozen, the contractor has smartly decided to proceed with work now, rather than waiting until spring.

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Closer look of the driven piles near the SR 37/SR 44 intersection; looking southeast.

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Another perspective of the SR 37/SR 44 work zone; looking southeast.

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Looking north toward the pile driving work underway at the SR 37/SR 44 intersection. SR 37 is to the right, but out of the frame.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 30, 2020, 03:39:03 PM

Here's a few more photos. They were taken Saturday, November 28, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

State Road 37/State Road 144 Intersection, Johnson County
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The intersection of State Road 37 and State Road 144 in Johnson County; looking slightly northeast. As part of Contract# R-41542, an overpass and diamond interchange with roundabouts will be constructed here. The interchange is expected to substantially completed and open to traffic by November 15, 2022.

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Closer look at the signage at the SR 37/SR 144 crossing; looking east.

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State Road 37 crosses over Bluff Creek just a few yards south of the intersection. The mainline bridges over this creek will be replaced with new bridges and two additional bridges will be constructed as part of the I-69/SR 144 interchange – the northbound ramp from I-69 to SR 144 and the southbound ramp from SR 144 to I-69.

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Another look at the intersection; looking east. The amber hue in the photos is due to the very low position of the sun on the western horizon.

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Looking west toward State Road 144 from near the SR 37/SR 144 intersection. The traffic light in the background denotes the SR 144/Old State Road 37 intersection. A roundabout will be constructed there as part of I-69/SR 144 interchange project. On the left is Huggin Hollow Road, which will be rerouted west to intersect with Old State Road 37 near the roundabout.

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Slightly different perspective of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection; looking east. The worst accident I have ever come across happened at this intersection. I was southbound on SR 37 returning from Indianapolis in the early evening in the mid-1980s when all traffic came to a stop prior to the SR 144 crossing. I couldn't see what exactly had happened as I was too far back, but there were two medivac helicopters positioned on the northbound lanes, rotors spinning. Later I learned a car carrying a family traveling westbound on SR 144 had been T-boned by drunk driver traveling north on SR 37 who ran the red light. Multiple fatalities. Three or four, maybe five. Essentially the entire family traveling in the car hit by the northbound vehicle was killed.




 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 01, 2020, 05:57:24 PM
A couple of observations and comments, and then I throw up another batch of photos.

INDOT has installed a temporary traffic signal at the State Road 37/Henderson Ford Road crossing. It is operational and has been for about a week. I went through the light twice Saturday, November 28, first on SR 37 northbound, and later northbound on Henderson Ford Road in order to turn left onto SR 37 south. Unfortunately, the timing of the light isn't ideal and needs tweaking. The red light for SR 37 traffic seems overly long; it appeared, too, that southbound 37 stayed green longer than 37 northbound.

More problematic, however, is the confusion that confronts drivers on Henderson Ford Road who either attempt to cross SR 37 or make a left turn. Prior to the light installation, vehicles, one by one, would jump into the median, crossing either only the southbound or northbound lanes, and then either turn onto SR 37 or cross it completely. Now, with the light, and no pavement markings, drivers are pretty much going this way and that. Not sure what can be done, but it needs to be looked into. Probably when the southbound lanes of 37 are closed in 2021 the intersection will become safer.

As mentioned earlier, both the Perry Road and Waverly Road overpasses are now open. Northbound, these roads, after crossing over SR 37, intersect with Old State Road 37 in or near Waverly. This will generate a good amount of new traffic on Old State Road 37. Previously, residents residing in the area pretty much had access to 37 at their doorsteps. Now they'll have to use either Perry Road or Waverly and Old SR 37 to access I-69. The additional traffic on these roads will be manageable for the time being, but speeding could be problematic as some drivers may hurry to reach the SR 144/I-69 interchange, and vice versa heading home. Also, Waverly Road, which is now an arterial, goes past an elementary school.

In the vicinity of Banta and Exchange, largely rural areas located south and southwest of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection, some farm acreage has been sold off and and a handful of subdivisions featuring large lots have sprouted up. This trend is likely to accelerate with the completion of I-69, which will make travel easier to Indianapolis and Greenwood, and to Bloomington to the south. It seems another interchange will soon be necessary, placed somewhere between the interchanges at SR 144 and Henderson Ford Road. The logical points seem to be at either Perry Road or Big Bend Road, just to the north. Depending on the pace of forthcoming development and its concomitant population growth, consideration of another interchange may have to get underway sooner rather than later.

Here's a few more pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, November 28, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

State Road 37, Morgan County
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In Morgan County, looking southwest from near the new Perry Road overpass toward State Road 37, as the sun dropped behind the trees.

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Looking east toward SR 37 from the Perry Road overpass. In the background are the mainline bridges crossing Crooked Creek. Depending on condition, those either will be rehabilitated or repaired as SR 37 is upgraded to interstate standards.

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South of Waverly, Indiana, the new access road and bridge over Crooked Creek; looking northeast. This road becomes Old State Road 37 and continues north/northeast to intersect with SR 144. In the foreground is a slice of Perry Road; the new overpass is off to the right but out of view. State Road 37 is in the background.

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The new Perry Road overpass; looking slightly southeast.

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Different perspective of the Perry Road overpass; looking south.

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Closer look of SR 37 and its gentle, sweeping curve west of the Perry Road overpass; looking southwest.

Edit: Minor edits for readability.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 02, 2020, 03:35:49 PM
Oops, forgot to post these pictures yesterday, so here they are. Photos were taken Saturday, November 28, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

New Frontage Road — New Harmony Road, Morgan County
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The newly constructed extension of New Harmony Road and bridge crossing over Stotts Creek in Morgan County; looking east. New Harmony Road intersects with Henderson Ford Road near the future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange, located about a mile to the west.

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Closer look at the new bridge carrying New Harmony Road over Stotts Creek; looking northeast. On the left are the SR 37 mainline bridges crossing Stotts Creek. Those will be replaced with new bridges as SR 37 is upgraded to I-69.

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Another perspective of the frontage road bridge over Stotts Creek; looking east. Paving on New Harmony Road has yet to complete, but only one more layer is needed for the westbound lane. With afternoon temperatures warming up to the mid-40s, they should be able finish up this week or early next.

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Although "no through street" warning signs are posted in the New Harmony Road construction zone, this guy apparently didn't see them.

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Not every day you see a vehicle on the back roads of Indiana with the steering wheel on the right hand side. Also, note the lack of a front tag. In Indiana, only one license plate is required and that goes on the back. Years ago in Washington, D.C., I got pulled over, and the first question was "How come you only have one tag"?

Edit: The Jeep is most likely a Rural Mail Vehicle, which are commonly seen in rural Indiana.

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And one last one — the crane and pile driving rigging at the SR 37/SR 44 intersection in Martinsville; looking southeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on December 02, 2020, 08:07:31 PM
That jeep is the same color as the construction equipment
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 02, 2020, 08:15:47 PM
I'm gonna guess the yellow Jeep with a right-side steering wheel was a Rural Mail Carrier vehicle
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on December 03, 2020, 10:24:17 AM
I drove the Indianapolis to Evansville corridor for the first time last week, and it was nice to finally see all this in person.

I did notice some tree clearing had been done along the edges of SR 37 starting just outside of Indianapolis, north of where the active construction zones were.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: msunat97 on December 03, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Re: Concrete depth.  A quick Google search says the average US interstate thickness is 11".  The autobahn is 27" thick.  With our higher volume of heavy traffic and increasing speed limits, i wonder if more DOT engineers are going to thicker concrete roadways?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 03, 2020, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 02, 2020, 08:15:47 PM
I'm gonna guess the yellow Jeep with a right-side steering wheel was a Rural Mail Carrier vehicle

Yup, that's probably what it is. Didn't occur to me when I put the post up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on December 03, 2020, 09:21:12 PM
Quote from: msunat97 on December 03, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Re: Concrete depth.  A quick Google search says the average US interstate thickness is 11".  The autobahn is 27" thick.  With our higher volume of heavy traffic and increasing speed limits, i wonder if more DOT engineers are going to thicker concrete roadways?
Michigan did an experiment on that starting in 1993.  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference between the Euro section of I-75 and the control segment to the south.
https://www.mlive.com/politics/2014/04/why_are_germanys_roads_better.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 04, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
Interesting - it makes me wonder if just the higher fuel taxes in Germany that results in better roads (more money for better maintenance). There is concrete pavement along I-99 around State College that was built around the same time as the others, yet portions of it prematurely failed and were recently resurfaced. It makes me if those failed portions were experiments - with thinner slabs or different subbases.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on December 04, 2020, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: seicer on December 04, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
Interesting - it makes me wonder if just the higher fuel taxes in Germany that results in better roads (more money for better maintenance). There is concrete pavement along I-99 around State College that was built around the same time as the others, yet portions of it prematurely failed and were recently resurfaced. It makes me if those failed portions were experiments - with thinner slabs or different subbases.

I don't believe slab thickness is the main factor for pavement failures, rather it sounds more like poor QC on the pours.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on December 04, 2020, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 04, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
Interesting - it makes me wonder if just the higher fuel taxes in Germany that results in better roads (more money for better maintenance). There is concrete pavement along I-99 around State College that was built around the same time as the others, yet portions of it prematurely failed and were recently resurfaced. It makes me if those failed portions were experiments - with thinner slabs or different subbases.
One other thing to keep in mind is that, outside of perhaps Scandinavia and Eastern Europe, most of Europe (and the British Islands) tends to have milder winters than the parts of the US that get significant snowfall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 04, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
But for one side of the interstate - and for a specific segment? Someone noted (in another thread) that it may have been part of a concrete pavement experiment: https://goo.gl/maps/qRJfRATf2mRJb8WD9

I am curious if it was an experiment and if there is documentation of others. Each state has experiments it runs on pavement types, marking reflectivity, etc. It'd be curious as to Indiana's.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 05, 2020, 09:33:27 AM
My father was at a meeting last year about Section 6 and asked about the exits. According to the official he spoke with they do intend on changing the exit numbers when all is said and done. I don't think though that the Ohio River Bridge will alter much of the numbers on the southern leg of the highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.

I thought they already re-numbered the exits north of I-465. Google Maps (and Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/xMG3WV3ZKoxQ47WB8)) shows the 82nd Street/Castleton exit as Exit 201.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 05, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.

I thought they already re-numbered the exits north of I-465. Google Maps (and Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/xMG3WV3ZKoxQ47WB8)) shows the 82nd Street/Castleton exit as Exit 201.
And it used to be Exit 1. Hence the "rough guess"  +200 to the original/northern I-69 that INDOT came up with before the full routing of I-69 was finalized

We now know the finalized routing and mileage. It was expected that the +200 would be a bit long, but we now know the actual mileage for the Southern section and the routing around I-465/South and East sides back up to Castleton will be right at 183 miles
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 05, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.

I thought they already re-numbered the exits north of I-465. Google Maps (and Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/xMG3WV3ZKoxQ47WB8)) shows the 82nd Street/Castleton exit as Exit 201.
And it used to be Exit 1. Hence the "rough guess"  +200 to the original/northern I-69 that INDOT came up with before the full routing of I-69 was finalized

We now know the finalized routing and mileage. It was expected that the +200 would be a bit long, but we now know the actual mileage for the Southern section and the routing around I-465/South and East sides back up to Castleton will be right at 183 miles
I see. I misunderstood what they meant by re-numbering it. My mistake.

How much work was involved when they did the first renumbering? They just added a number(2 or 3) to all the signs?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 05, 2020, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 05, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.

I thought they already re-numbered the exits north of I-465. Google Maps (and Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/xMG3WV3ZKoxQ47WB8)) shows the 82nd Street/Castleton exit as Exit 201.
And it used to be Exit 1. Hence the "rough guess"  +200 to the original/northern I-69 that INDOT came up with before the full routing of I-69 was finalized

We now know the finalized routing and mileage. It was expected that the +200 would be a bit long, but we now know the actual mileage for the Southern section and the routing around I-465/South and East sides back up to Castleton will be right at 183 miles
I see. I misunderstood what they meant by re-numbering it. My mistake.

How much work was involved when they did the first renumbering? They just added a number(2 or 3) to all the signs?

They could probably get away without a second renumbering of the northern section of I-69 because exits and mileage where I-69 overlaps I-465 will be based on I-465 mileage, so there would be no obvious sign of the disconnect to the casual motorist. Yes, it would be about 16 miles off the actual mileage, but if it were me, I'd leave it alone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 05, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
there will be no renumbering, they added 200 to the mileage on purpose because INDOT thought that was less confusing than adding 183 to people used to the old exits. their logic also was since it overlaps 465 for so long, noone would notice the mileage being off. also concrete sections of interstate, at least in indiana are only that way because of cost. if during the bid the concrete bit was cheaper than asphalt they will go for that. not all projects are bid with an asphalt and concrete option though, but this was the case for 69. they also perform a pavement design which i am sure has a factor in which pavement type they choose.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 06, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
On the other hand, do people even care what the exit number is these days? Especially with GPS guiding people I don't think the exit number matters as much now as the actual road name. When taking I-69 north, do you say you're getting off at Exit 205 or 116th Street? I take I-465 to get to work off of Rockville Road each day, I never say I'm using Exit 13. Just now I had to look up the exit list for I-465 and I'm quite good with maps and highways. The point is, keeping it at where the exit numbers are currently at may not matter much to the causal motorist, but renumbering them to be proper with the rest of I-69 may not matter much either. So I think they could renumber the exits again or leave them alone without too many problems.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on December 06, 2020, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 06, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
On the other hand, do people even care what the exit number is these days? Especially with GPS guiding people I don't think the exit number matters as much now as the actual road name. When taking I-69 north, do you say you're getting off at Exit 205 or 116th Street? I take I-465 to get to work off of Rockville Road each day, I never say I'm using Exit 13. Just now I had to look up the exit list for I-465 and I'm quite good with maps and highways. The point is, keeping it at where the exit numbers are currently at may not matter much to the causal motorist, but renumbering them to be proper with the rest of I-69 may not matter much either. So I think they could renumber the exits again or leave them alone without too many problems.

For longer distance travelers, the mile-based exits matter. I know I'm always calculating how far I am from my present position to my proposed exit number (even if the road name or number matters more). I'm not dogmatic about it, but I do use them when I travel.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 06, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
On the other hand, do people even care what the exit number is these days? Especially with GPS guiding people I don't think the exit number matters as much now as the actual road name. When taking I-69 north, do you say you're getting off at Exit 205 or 116th Street? I take I-465 to get to work off of Rockville Road each day, I never say I'm using Exit 13. Just now I had to look up the exit list for I-465 and I'm quite good with maps and highways. The point is, keeping it at where the exit numbers are currently at may not matter much to the causal motorist, but renumbering them to be proper with the rest of I-69 may not matter much either. So I think they could renumber the exits again or leave them alone without too many problems.
I  rarely refer to an exit by it's number. I know the number's sometimes but then there are times that I know the exit by the road name that the exit leads to rather than the number. Like around me I-75 Exit 144 is the Bridgeport exit and saying the Bridgeport exit most people will know what you are talking about but maybe not for long distance travelers that are unfamiliar with the area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on December 06, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on December 06, 2020, 08:54:43 AM
For longer distance travelers, the mile-based exits matter. I know I'm always calculating how far I am from my present position to my proposed exit number (even if the road name or number matters more). I'm not dogmatic about it, but I do use them when I travel.

Same for me - the number can come in handy when trying to decide whether to leave the highway based on advance warning of an incident from a message board or try to stay on until my intended exit.

Plus it can be easier to remember just the exit number, and the exit number sometimes changes less than the route number/street name at the exit (due to JT's/decommissionings).  Then there are the times the route number is omitted at the exit, or fun cases where the road name changes near the interchange so the road I am seeking is not signed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on December 06, 2020, 12:50:58 PM
It's easier when a city has multiple exits. I live I Georgetown Ky and with a huge Toyota plant served by all 3 exits it makes it easier to know what exit to get off by the numbers.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on December 06, 2020, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 05, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.

I thought they already re-numbered the exits north of I-465. Google Maps (and Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/xMG3WV3ZKoxQ47WB8)) shows the 82nd Street/Castleton exit as Exit 201.
And it used to be Exit 1. Hence the “rough guess” +200 to the original/northern I-69 that INDOT came up with before the full routing of I-69 was finalized

We now know the finalized routing and mileage. It was expected that the +200 would be a bit long, but we now know the actual mileage for the Southern section and the routing around I-465/South and East sides back up to Castleton will be right at 183 miles
I see. I misunderstood what they meant by re-numbering it. My mistake.

How much work was involved when they did the first renumbering? They just added a number(2 or 3) to all the signs?

There are still a few signs out there that show slapping on a 2 (the easiest-to-see examples being the type where Series D had a E(M) numeral added like this one (https://goo.gl/maps/zL9svfAAb1bwY4F46)).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 07, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 06, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
On the other hand, do people even care what the exit number is these days? Especially with GPS guiding people I don't think the exit number matters as much now as the actual road name. When taking I-69 north, do you say you're getting off at Exit 205 or 116th Street? I take I-465 to get to work off of Rockville Road each day, I never say I'm using Exit 13. Just now I had to look up the exit list for I-465 and I'm quite good with maps and highways. The point is, keeping it at where the exit numbers are currently at may not matter much to the causal motorist, but renumbering them to be proper with the rest of I-69 may not matter much either. So I think they could renumber the exits again or leave them alone without too many problems.

And to your point, California went several decades without numbering their exits or having standard mileposts (they still use a county-based postmile system, except for a couple of highways in the Mojave Desert where they experimented with standard mileposts). It was only around 2000 when the FHWA mandated that California add exit numbers to its highways did they start doing so. Even so, CALTRANS is slow-rolling numbering their exits, only doing so when signs are due for replacement. Even today. there are still a lot of exits whose numbers are not displayed on signage.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 07, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: PurdueBill on December 06, 2020, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 05, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 05, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 04, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Maybe once Interstate 69 is completed to Interstate 465 in Indianapolis, they can correct the exit renumbering mistake they made by adding 200 to the pre-existing exit numbers instead of adding the actual 183 miles to the existing exit numbers. Of course, I realize that will never happen, but one can dream.

I believe that once the rest of 69 is finished, including the Ohio River Bridge, they do intend to renumber the exits.

I thought they already re-numbered the exits north of I-465. Google Maps (and Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/xMG3WV3ZKoxQ47WB8)) shows the 82nd Street/Castleton exit as Exit 201.
And it used to be Exit 1. Hence the "rough guess"  +200 to the original/northern I-69 that INDOT came up with before the full routing of I-69 was finalized

We now know the finalized routing and mileage. It was expected that the +200 would be a bit long, but we now know the actual mileage for the Southern section and the routing around I-465/South and East sides back up to Castleton will be right at 183 miles
I see. I misunderstood what they meant by re-numbering it. My mistake.

How much work was involved when they did the first renumbering? They just added a number(2 or 3) to all the signs?

There are still a few signs out there that show slapping on a 2 (the easiest-to-see examples being the type where Series D had a E(M) numeral added like this one (https://goo.gl/maps/zL9svfAAb1bwY4F46)).

I remember driving up I-69 from Indy to Fort Wayne while they were doing the exit number change. For most signs they overlaid the whole exit number tab with a new tab made from sheet aluminum. There were a few signs where the exit tab had enough room to add a "2" to the exit number, and there were a few others where they completely replaced the exit tab with a new one made from extruded aluminum. At the time INDOT had posted "Old Exit XX" signs at each interchange to help motorists adjust to the change.

I last drove that stretch in November 2018, and the "Old Exit XX" signs have since been removed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 07, 2020, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 07, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 06, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
On the other hand, do people even care what the exit number is these days? Especially with GPS guiding people I don't think the exit number matters as much now as the actual road name. When taking I-69 north, do you say you're getting off at Exit 205 or 116th Street? I take I-465 to get to work off of Rockville Road each day, I never say I'm using Exit 13. Just now I had to look up the exit list for I-465 and I'm quite good with maps and highways. The point is, keeping it at where the exit numbers are currently at may not matter much to the causal motorist, but renumbering them to be proper with the rest of I-69 may not matter much either. So I think they could renumber the exits again or leave them alone without too many problems.

And to your point, California went several decades without numbering their exits or having standard mileposts (they still use a county-based postmile system, except for a couple of highways in the Mojave Desert where they experimented with standard mileposts). It was only around 2000 when the FHWA mandated that California add exit numbers to its highways did they start doing so. Even so, CALTRANS is slow-rolling numbering their exits, only doing so when signs are due for replacement. Even today. there are still a lot of exits whose numbers are not displayed on signage.

that and many other factors make driving on california interstates infuriating. their signs are trash, impossible to see at night and they don't post mileposts at all.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 08, 2020, 11:14:34 AM
INDOT just put up a page on the I-69 Finish Line Site about the SR 37 closure in Martinsville in 2021 for I-69 construction with a bunch of information

https://i69finishline.com/closure/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2020, 08:02:08 PM
I don't understand why anyone would take the official detour to avoid this, assuming you are driving from 465 to SR 39. why would you take 37 down only to double back up 144 to get up to 67? just take 67 the whole way down to 39!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on December 08, 2020, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2020, 08:02:08 PM
I don't understand why anyone would take the official detour to avoid this, assuming you are driving from 465 to SR 39. why would you take 37 down only to double back up 144 to get up to 67? just take 67 the whole way down to 39!

My guess is that they wanted to keep 37 traffic on 37 as much as possible to avoid overloading 67. I'm not that familiar with the traffic on 67 but I know that 37 has bad enough traffic to warrant an interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 08, 2020, 08:54:35 PM
In reality I think a big chunk of the detour traffic will just stay on SR 67 all the way up to I-465. There's clearly a reason they've been repaving that whole stretch of roadway this year even if it's not part of the official detour. The SR 37 traffic they want to retain on 37 will be very local (Center Grove and Morgan County folks only.)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 08, 2020, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 08, 2020, 08:54:35 PM
In reality I think a big chunk of the detour traffic will just stay on SR 67 all the way up to I-465. There's clearly a reason they've been repaving that whole stretch of roadway this year even if it's not part of the official detour. The SR 37 traffic they want to retain on 37 will be very local (Center Grove and Morgan County folks only.)

I agree. A good amount of traffic will just stay on SR 67 to I-465. But because of probable congestion and the numerous lights between Mooresville and I-465 – Camby Road, Ameriplex Pkwy., etc. – some drivers may look for alternatives, and finding a way to get back on SR 37 could be one of them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 08, 2020, 09:34:53 PM
 
Here's a couple of pictures of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection, which is, depending on which way one is traveling, the start or end of the official detour. Photos were taken Saturday, December 5, 2020. Be sure to expand the photos for a closer look.

State Road 37/State Road 144 intersection

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Looking north toward State Road 37 from near the SR 37/Banta Road intersection in Morgan County, Indiana. In the background is the SR 37/SR 144 intersection, and further back, the skyline of downtown Indianapolis (center) and the smokestacks of Indianapolis Power and Light's Harding Street Generating Station (left).

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Slightly closer look.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 20, 2020, 03:18:09 AM
Today, December 20, 2020, Catalent Pharma will begin shipping the Moderna Covid vaccine from its Bloomington, Indiana, vaccine production facility. In all likelihood, many of the vaccine shipments will be taken to the FedEx hub at Indianapolis International Airport for distribution throughout the United States and, in time, around the world. UPS, too, is deeply involved in the distribution of both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, and it's a good bet large numbers of shipments from Catalent will be processed through UPS's hub in Louisville, where a super-cold storage facility is located. Due to the importance of the cargo, there are likely strict protocols on what routes the trucks will take, maximum speed, etc.

Update: For clarity, here's a more complete explanation of how the Moderna vaccine will be distributed, as far as I understand it. From its manufacturing facility in Bloomington, Indiana, Catalent will release the vaccine to McKesson, a large American medical supply company and one of world's largest distributors of pharmaceuticals and medical supplies. Once McKesson is in possession, the vaccine will be taken to warehouses where it will repackaged into smaller lots for hospitals, medical facilities, and pharmacies. These smaller, individually addressed packaged lots then will be delivered to the FedEx hubs in Memphis and Indianapolis and to the UPS hub in Louisville for distribution throughout the United States. UPS and FedEx will then deliver the vaccine to roughly 3,700 locations in the U.S., the so-called "final mile" of the delivery process.

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Courtesy Google Maps.
Route the trucks will likely use leaving Catalent Pharma to reach Interstate 69 in Bloomington, Indiana. The FedEx hub in Indianapolis is about 45 miles to the north. The UPS hub in Louisville is about 105 miles driving distance to the south via SR 46 east to Columbus, Indiana, and then I-65 south.

Link: Article about Catalent and the Moderna vaccine https://www.wthr.com/article/news/health/bloomingtons-catalent-plays-key-role-in-producing-moderna-vaccine/531-a6af39fa-5b28-4921-b952-b6f6905d3f64

Edit: Added the link to the article; added UPS info; added info about McKesson.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 21, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
looks like january 2nd is the date of closure of 37. saw it on a sign on 465 yesterday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2020, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
looks like january 2nd is the date of closure of 37. saw it on a sign on 465 yesterday.

Yup. INDOT's I-69 Finish Line newsletter affirms that State Road 37 in Martinsville is "expected" to be closed January 2nd. Initially, I thought the closure would happen in March of 2021 because the ground would no longer be frozen. However, the closure of SR 37 in early January will allow crews to tear down the mainline bridges at the SR 37/SR 39 interchange as well as dig up and remove SR 37 pavement from the SR 39 interchange up to SR 37/Morgan Street crossing.

Link: INDOT I-69 Finish Line (December 21, 2020) https://i69finishline.com/news/on-track-update-december-21-2020/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 21, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 21, 2020, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 21, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
looks like january 2nd is the date of closure of 37. saw it on a sign on 465 yesterday.

Yup. INDOT's I-69 Finish Line newsletter affirms that State Road 37 in Martinsville is "expected" to be closed January 2nd. Initially, I thought the closure would happen in March of 2021 because the ground would no longer be frozen. However, the closure of SR 37 in early January will allow crews to tear down the mainline bridges at the SR 37/SR 39 interchange as well as dig up and remove SR 37 pavement from the SR 39 interchange up to SR 37/Morgan Street crossing.

Link: INDOT I-69 Finish Line (December 21, 2020) https://i69finishline.com/news/on-track-update-december-21-2020/

Crews can perform demolition during the winter, and shift to constructing the new roadway and bridges when it gets warmer.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on December 21, 2020, 11:49:08 PM
The crews might even be able to get a jump on the earth moving and grading work during winter.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 22, 2020, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on December 21, 2020, 11:49:08 PM
The crews might even be able to get a jump on the earth moving and grading work during winter.

Very true. They can get a lot of the dirt work done, provided there isn't a lot of snow this winter.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 23, 2020, 12:44:19 AM
Any 'before' video planned?

:hmmm:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 23, 2020, 05:51:16 PM
Here's a trio of relatively recent "before" pictures of State Road 37 in Martinsville, Indiana. Photos were December 5, 2020, unless otherwise noted. Be sure to expand the photos for a better look.

State Road 37, Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking north toward State Road 37 from near the SR 37/Industrial Drive crossing in Martinsville, Indiana. In the background is the recently completely overpass that carries Grand Valley Blvd. Further back is the SR 37/SR 252 intersection, and, at the crest of the hill, the SR 37/SR 44 intersection.

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Slightly closer perspective of the above; looking north.

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Closer perspective of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass and the SR 37/SR 252 and SR 37/SR 44 intersections using the long range lens; looking north. Interchanges will be constructed at both SR 252 and SR 44.

The top two photos show about half of the scope of the Martinsville segment. From the SR 37/SR 44 intersection at the crest of the hill (pictured above), the segment extends another mile to the SR 37/Morgan Street crossing. In the other direction, the project stretches south-southwest to the SR 37/SR 39 interchange, which will be reconstructed, and then roughly another 3/4 mile to the bridges that cross Indian Creek.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 30, 2020, 08:29:49 AM
I went with my father down to Evansville this past Monday for his birthday and drove for the last time in my life along the expressway section of SR 37 through Martinsville. It appears things are pretty much ready to go for the closure from what I've seen. Perhaps a bit more interesting further north was that we noticed most of the land being cleared out around County Line Road and SR 37 making room for the new exit there. It will be an interesting year coming up watching what happens but thankfully for traffic sakes I'll keep a wide berth from Martinsville as much as I can.

I get the feeling that Section 6 will indeed be as well done as Section 5 was. Despite the obvious problems with Section 5's construction that stretch of interstate does look and feel very nice. Compared with the first four sections of the highway anyway. Section 4 still looks quite nice but it's the first three sections that have already needed some new pavement in a few spots. I get more and more the sense that the first three sections were built very cheap for the sake of getting it done. That's why they went with the absolute bare minimum in terms of signage. I also have forgotten just how much of a bore part of the highway is. That stretch through Daviess County takes forever it seems. At least when you hit Oakland City you know Evansville isn't too far off and once you pass US 231 and head through the hills of Greene County you know you aren't too far from Bloomington and the "civilized" part of this interstate.

I don't remember if it's been mentioned yet but there's finally a new gas station at the Washington exit. A new Huck's station is just west of the exit off of US 50/150. Still I noticed that there and at the Countrymark station off of US 231 there were only a few toilets there. I would guess that in peak travel times there could be a wait for bathroom facilities at these two stations. I still feel a rest area, even one off of an exit such as at SR 58, could be a good idea. It could be small and simple and look like some of Indiana's newer rest areas with room for parking. But I know the traffic might still be a bit small to warrant it.

In addition, I can't believe that there's still that abandoned gas station off the Sample Road exit. I would think that such a facility could be useful for travelers since the land is already there. There's a bit of a gap in available pit stops north of Bloomington and in Martinsville now you have to travel off the beaten path to get to one.

One other observation I had was around Evansville. Again I may have mentioned this elsewhere or someone else did so I apologize if I'm repeating myself. I really think I-69 should be six lanes around Evansville. The traffic seemed pretty busy for a Monday midday. If we're going to have six lanes around Bloomington, Indianapolis, Anderson and Fort Wayne, why not Evansville? Most of the third lane could just fit in the median, I wouldn't imagine it'd be too different from what they did off of I-65 in Northwest Indiana. In my mind I see the six lane section starting at the point where the new I-69 bridge merges onto the present-day mainline and the interstate would be six lanes north all the way to at least Lynch Road, providing a modern looking freeway that could make Evansville look pretty good. In reality though I think the six lanes could work all the way north to I-64. And at some point we could just make the control cities Indianapolis and Henderson around Evansville.

Anyway that was all running through my head while traveling the interstate recently. I am looking forward to see how the Martinsville stuff goes in the coming days, weeks and months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Flint1979 on December 30, 2020, 09:05:25 AM
I drove that stretch of IN-37 when I drove down to Paducah, Kentucky a few weeks ago not even realizing that it'd be the last time I drove that stretch of IN-37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 30, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2020, 08:29:49 AM
I went with my father down to Evansville this past Monday for his birthday and drove for the last time in my life along the expressway section of SR 37 through Martinsville. It appears things are pretty much ready to go for the closure from what I've seen. Perhaps a bit more interesting further north was that we noticed most of the land being cleared out around County Line Road and SR 37 making room for the new exit there. It will be an interesting year coming up watching what happens but thankfully for traffic sakes I'll keep a wide berth from Martinsville as much as I can.

I get the feeling that Section 6 will indeed be as well done as Section 5 was. Despite the obvious problems with Section 5's construction that stretch of interstate does look and feel very nice. Compared with the first four sections of the highway anyway. Section 4 still looks quite nice but it's the first three sections that have already needed some new pavement in a few spots. I get more and more the sense that the first three sections were built very cheap for the sake of getting it done. That's why they went with the absolute bare minimum in terms of signage. I also have forgotten just how much of a bore part of the highway is. That stretch through Daviess County takes forever it seems. At least when you hit Oakland City you know Evansville isn't too far off and once you pass US 231 and head through the hills of Greene County you know you aren't too far from Bloomington and the "civilized" part of this interstate.

I don't remember if it's been mentioned yet but there's finally a new gas station at the Washington exit. A new Huck's station is just west of the exit off of US 50/150. Still I noticed that there and at the Countrymark station off of US 231 there were only a few toilets there. I would guess that in peak travel times there could be a wait for bathroom facilities at these two stations. I still feel a rest area, even one off of an exit such as at SR 58, could be a good idea. It could be small and simple and look like some of Indiana's newer rest areas with room for parking. But I know the traffic might still be a bit small to warrant it.

In addition, I can't believe that there's still that abandoned gas station off the Sample Road exit. I would think that such a facility could be useful for travelers since the land is already there. There's a bit of a gap in available pit stops north of Bloomington and in Martinsville now you have to travel off the beaten path to get to one.

One other observation I had was around Evansville. Again I may have mentioned this elsewhere or someone else did so I apologize if I'm repeating myself. I really think I-69 should be six lanes around Evansville. The traffic seemed pretty busy for a Monday midday. If we're going to have six lanes around Bloomington, Indianapolis, Anderson and Fort Wayne, why not Evansville? Most of the third lane could just fit in the median, I wouldn't imagine it'd be too different from what they did off of I-65 in Northwest Indiana. In my mind I see the six lane section starting at the point where the new I-69 bridge merges onto the present-day mainline and the interstate would be six lanes north all the way to at least Lynch Road, providing a modern looking freeway that could make Evansville look pretty good. In reality though I think the six lanes could work all the way north to I-64. And at some point we could just make the control cities Indianapolis and Henderson around Evansville.

Anyway that was all running through my head while traveling the interstate recently. I am looking forward to see how the Martinsville stuff goes in the coming days, weeks and months.

Rest area:  There was a rest area in the original plan for I-69 close to the intersection with SR58, but it was dropped to save money.  I do believe that it should be revisited.

Gas station @ Sample Rd:  That gas station was open for most of the time that the construction was going on, but I guess just ran out of patience.

I-69 around Evansville:  When they built I-164 around Evansville, they did leave enough room for there to be an additional third lane in each direction in the middle.  From what I can tell, we aren't at the point that it would be needed traffic-wise, but I do believe that we could get there once the bridge is completed.  I am encouraged that even though their plans are for two lanes in each direction, the bridge is to be constructed to make it possible to be three lanes when needed.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 30, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
The more rest areas the better. Study after study shows driving tired is worse than driving impaired. Having more rest areas, well designed ones that are safe, should be more likely to entice drivers to take a break if needed. I don't have any data to back up my last statement so I wonder how true it is but I sure know anecdotally I'd appreciate them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 30, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
the portion from bloomington to eville is scary in terms of services, don't drive that on less than a full tank!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 30, 2020, 04:20:41 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2020, 08:29:49 AM
In addition, I can't believe that there's still that abandoned gas station off the Sample Road exit. I would think that such a facility could be useful for travelers since the land is already there. There's a bit of a gap in available pit stops north of Bloomington and in Martinsville now you have to travel off the beaten path to get to one.

The owner of the station and INDOT were involved in litigation. It may be resolved or may still be ongoing. Don't know. Anyway, it's an ideal location for gas station/convenience store. I imagine we'll see some sort of facility there at some point, probably more food oriented than fuel.

On another tangent, I'm of the opinion the gas station as we know it today will disappear in the not too distant future. It's possible fuel cell vehicles, which require hydrogen, may extend the life of the station. But hydrogen-powered vehicles have yet to establish any kind of presence in the marketplace and may never do so.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 30, 2020, 04:45:52 PM

Here's another batch of pictures. They were taken earlier this month, so best to get them posted before they become stale. Photos were taken December 5, 2020.

Section 6, Section 1, Martinsville, Indiana; aka the Martinsville Segment
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Working on a Saturday to relocate a City of Martinsville water main near the State Road 37/Mahalasville Road-Ohio Street intersection; looking north. A sliver of SR 37 is visible in the background.

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Closer perspective of the crew working on the water main; looking east. Photo was taken December 5, 2020. In the background is the new bridge that will carry Mahalasville Road over the rerouted Sartor Ditch.

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Getting the job done in a wet, cold environment on a chilly December afternoon.

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Another perspective of the work zone; looking east.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 30, 2020, 06:18:04 PM
A few more pictures. Photos were taken December 20, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

I-69 Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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From near the State Road 37/Mahalasville Road-Ohio Street intersection, looking slightly northeast toward the new channel for the soon-to-be rerouted Sartor Ditch in Martinsville, Indiana. On the left is the current path of Sartor, as well as the twin culvert tubes which carry the stream underneath State Road 37 (expand the photo). A little more than 10 years ago, Sartor Ditch and Indian Creek, located a little to the east, flooded this area, severing State Road 37.

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Looking north toward State Road 37/Mahalasville Road-Ohio Street intersection. In the mid-background (near the excavator) is the bridge that will carry Mahalasville Road over the rerouted Sartor Ditch. South of SR 37, this road is signed Mahalasville Road, while north of 37, in Martinsville proper, it's Ohio Street. Photo was taken December 5, 2020.

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The new bridge that will carry Southview Drive over Sartor Ditch; looking north. Mahalasville Road is on the right and in the background is the SR 37/Mahalasville Road-Ohio Street intersection. At this intersection, an interchange will be construction, with I-69 going over Mahalasville Road-Ohio Street.

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The box-like culvert structure that will carry Southview Drive over Sartor Ditch; looking west. It's officially a bridge as it's over 20 feet in length. INDOT and the FHWA consider any structure more than 20 feet a bridge. The bridge sections were prefabricated off site and brought in using 16 trucks. Hat tip to INDOT and the Section 6 team for the info.

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Perspective showing the bridges that will carry Southview Drive (foreground) and Mahalasville Road over Sartor Ditch; looking northeast. State Road 37 is visible in the background left.

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Pumps and tubing diverting the water of Sartor Ditch around the work zone of the new Southview Drive bridge; looking east. Note the water flowing from the pipe on the right.

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Another view of the SR 37/Mahalasville Road-Ohio Street intersection; looking north. Even though road closure signs and barrels were in place, I guess this guy didn't notice.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 30, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 30, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
the portion from bloomington to eville is scary in terms of services, don't drive that on less than a full tank!
Hogwash. There are plenty of services available at the Washington US 50/150 exit. Sounds like the new Hucks is open now, but even before that, plenty of services either taking Old US 50 into town (pretty nice Casey's on the I-69 side of town right on Old US 50) in Washington or a mile or two east along the US 50/150 Bypass routing (another pretty nice Casey's, plus other Food/Fuel options, plus Wal-Mart)

I don't drive that route a lot, but I've driven it enough times to know that is the stopping point between Evansville and Bloomington

I can't believe that the City of Washington and/or its Chamber of Commerce doesn't pay INDOT to put up the Blue Logo signs for Gas/Food/Lodging services available in Washington at that exit
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 30, 2020, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 30, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 30, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
the portion from bloomington to eville is scary in terms of services, don't drive that on less than a full tank!
Hogwash. There are plenty of services available at the Washington US 50/150 exit. Sounds like the new Hucks is open now, but even before that, plenty of services either taking Old US 50 into town (pretty nice Casey's on the I-69 side of town right on Old US 50) in Washington or a mile or two east along the US 50/150 Bypass routing (another pretty nice Casey's, plus other Food/Fuel options, plus Wal-Mart)

I don't drive that route a lot, but I've driven it enough times to know that is the stopping point between Evansville and Bloomington

I can't believe that the City of Washington and/or its Chamber of Commerce doesn't pay INDOT to put up the Blue Logo signs for Gas/Food/Lodging services available in Washington at that exit

To be fair, aside from the services available near the I-69/US 50/150 interchange, there's not all that much otherwise between Bloomington and Evansville along I-69. Except for very rural areas, drivers on interstates are accustomed to finding services at almost every interchange. Maybe it's only a single gas station, but it's usually there if needed. Along the long section of I-69 in southwest Indiana, that's not necessarily the case. There's the CountryMark at the I-69/US 231 interchange, but that's about it. There's nothing at the SR 58, SR 445, SR 56, or SR 64 interchanges. Yes, one can find services a couple of miles or so from these interchanges, for instance, in Odon, about three miles east of SR 58 interchange. But deviating off an interstate, particularly for those who are traveling through, is sometimes an anxious matter. We've all had that experience of needing gas and turning off on a road in hopes of finding a station only to discover the services are in the other direction. Better signage will help, and, in time, more services will be built as I-69 traffic increases.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on December 30, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
Nah.  You don't find services at every interstate interchange.  It's really not that far between Bloomington and Evansville.  I doubt many people would make the trek out there with a small enough amount of gas to make it worrisome.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 30, 2020, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
Nah.  You don't find services at every interstate interchange.  It's really not that far between Bloomington and Evansville.  I doubt many people would make the trek out there with a small enough amount of gas to make it worrisome.
No, but especially if/when I-69 is substantially completed to Memphis, or even to I-155 at Dyersburg, having some more exits with Rural Truck Stops will help make it a more Freight-Friendly route, especially with no Rest Areas
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 31, 2020, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
Nah.  You don't find services at every interstate interchange.  It's really not that far between Bloomington and Evansville.  I doubt many people would make the trek out there with a small enough amount of gas to make it worrisome.

Fair enough. Not "every" interstate interchange, of course, but a very good number of them. What I was trying to express is that some drivers along I-69 in southern Indiana may find the availability of services rather, hmm, few and far between.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 31, 2020, 12:02:47 AM
One last set of pictures. Photos were taken December 20, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

I-69 Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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Staging for work on a sewer project between Burton Lane and Mahalasville Road in Martinsville, Indiana; looking northeast. State Road 37 is on the left, but not quite visible. Southview Drive is on the right. Bear in mind that, in all likelihood, this is a Section 6 project, but there's a small possibility it isn't. I'll look into it.

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Closer look of the sewer piping, section after section; looking northeast. While my knowledge of sewer infrastructure is rather limited, I believe the larger concrete sections are for a storm sewer, and the smaller aqua-green sections in the background, a sanitary sewer.

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A row of very large articulated dump trucks at the work zone; looking east.

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Another view of an articulated dump truck; looking northeast. State Road 37 is on the left.

Edit: Minor wording and grammar changes for readability.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 31, 2020, 04:49:10 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 30, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
I can't believe that the City of Washington and/or its Chamber of Commerce doesn't pay INDOT to put up the Blue Logo signs for Gas/Food/Lodging services available in Washington at that exit

Well there is now a blue logo sign up for that exit featuring the Huck's station, so maybe they can ask about filling the sign up with other businesses as well. Furthermore there a few billboards advertising the exit along the interstate. There was also another billboard advertising the gas station and Denny's in Oakland City at SR 64 a mile east of I-69. There was also another billboard advertising a gas station in Pike County about three miles south of I-69 at the junction of SR 56 and 61.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 31, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 31, 2020, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
Nah.  You don't find services at every interstate interchange.  It's really not that far between Bloomington and Evansville.  I doubt many people would make the trek out there with a small enough amount of gas to make it worrisome.

Fair enough. Not "every" interstate interchange, of course, but a very good number of them. What I was trying to express is that some drivers along I-69 in southern Indiana may find the availability of services rather, hmm, few and far between.

I would stop at the Casey's in Washington, since I knew where it was, but to the regular interstate only traveler, it looked like a barren stop.  There really isn't much at all between Bloomington and Evansville (exit 10).  The US 231 exit, now Washington, and the IN-68 exit where Fruedenburg's station is 1/2 mile off the highway, but marked.  I know that Gibson County has been pushing for infrastructure at the IN-168 and IN-64 exits.  Haven't heard much from the next exit in Pike County, but that should be easier, since I-69 just misses Petersburg at IN-61.  Daviess County/Washington has put a lot of infrastructure where the Huck's is now located, and I would expect to see more go in there plus perhaps a motel or two in the next couple of years.  As soon as the road is marked from I-465 and the Ohio River bridge crossing is finalized and under construction, I'm sure we'll see the shovels moving.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 31, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
BTW, I know it's been, but thanks again for all these pictures. I wish we had more posters capturing construction pictures in their areas. Once I get my life in order I plan on doing just that for Oklahoma, Las Vegas, and Southern California.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 31, 2020, 08:15:25 PM
So tomorrow's the last time you will be able to travel on IN 37 in its current configuration...and then, the road will be closed for the I-69 conversion. Hopefully as soon as that is completed, then the focus will turn to the Ohio River bridge and its approaches.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on December 31, 2020, 08:18:19 PM
How motivated is KYTC to get the bridge built?

Kentucky has to worry about added capacity to Cincinnati to worry about also.

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on January 01, 2021, 02:49:33 AM
Quote from: ITB on December 31, 2020, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
Nah.  You don't find services at every interstate interchange.  It's really not that far between Bloomington and Evansville.  I doubt many people would make the trek out there with a small enough amount of gas to make it worrisome.

Fair enough. Not "every" interstate interchange, of course, but a very good number of them. What I was trying to express is that some drivers along I-69 in southern Indiana may find the availability of services rather, hmm, few and far between.
Hasn't anyone but me noticed the Country Mark station and store at the Crane (US-231) exit? I started using that stop back when 69 only when as far north as Crane. It's still a handy stop.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on January 02, 2021, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 30, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 30, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
the portion from bloomington to eville is scary in terms of services, don't drive that on less than a full tank!
Hogwash. There are plenty of services available at the Washington US 50/150 exit. Sounds like the new Hucks is open now, but even before that, plenty of services either taking Old US 50 into town (pretty nice Casey's on the I-69 side of town right on Old US 50) in Washington or a mile or two east along the US 50/150 Bypass routing (another pretty nice Casey's, plus other Food/Fuel options, plus Wal-Mart)

I don't drive that route a lot, but I've driven it enough times to know that is the stopping point between Evansville and Bloomington

I can't believe that the City of Washington and/or its Chamber of Commerce doesn't pay INDOT to put up the Blue Logo signs for Gas/Food/Lodging services available in Washington at that exit

Those signs are unreliable. I don't know how often INDoT updates them but I've run into problems in other states where I've exited and either the station has gone out of business, is closed after dark, or I wasn't able to find it (where it said 2 miles but was either farther or involved yet another turn).  They ought to add something like "Left- 3 miles" on the main sign before you exit to help you decide before you have to exit. The babble of signage on some exit ramps makes it difficult to see the one out of 12 you are looking for. In suburban or urban areas, they shouldn't be allowed if they are more than 1/2 mile from the exit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 03, 2021, 10:39:39 PM
Here's a few pictures of State Road 37 closed in Martinsville, Indiana. As many of you already know, the process of closing the road began yesterday morning, Saturday, January 2, 2020. Today, crews were undertaking the finishing touches, taking down signs, removing road markings, and adding double yellow striping to the four at grade crossings of SR 37 that will remain open to traffic in Martinsville for either the entirety of the closure or for most of 2021. Photos were taken Sunday, January 3, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

I-69 Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking north toward State Road 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville, Indiana, on the first full day of closure of SR 37, in preparation for SR 37 to be upgraded to interstate standards. In the background is the SR 252/Hospital Dr. crossing, which will remain open to east-west traffic during the year State Road 37 is closed.

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Slightly closer perspective. In the deep background at the crest of the hill is SR 37/SR 44 crossing, which is now sealed off from SR 37. State Road 44 east of SR 37 will be remain open to traffic throughout the project. SR 44/Reuben Dr. west of SR 37, however, will only be open for part of 2021. Also, for most of 2021, State Road 44 eastbound will be reachable via a northbound lane on SR 37 accessed at SR 252 (note the vehicles doing just that).

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Closer look of closed SR 37 and the SR 252/Hospital Dr. and SR 44/Reuben Dr. crossings using the long range lens.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass on the first full day of SR 37's closure.

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Slightly closer look at closed SR 37; looking south. In the background around the curve but not quite visible is the SR 37/Ohio Street-Mahalasville Road intersection where an interchange will be built.

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Another perspective looking north toward closed State Road 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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And one more look from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Might be one of the better photos of the lot.

Edit: Added the last photo and caption.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 04, 2021, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 03, 2021, 10:39:39 PM
Here's a few pictures of State Road 37 closed in Martinsville, Indiana. As many of you already know, the process of closing the road began yesterday morning, Saturday, January 2, 2020. Today, crews were undertaking the finishing touches, taking down signs, removing road markings, and adding double yellow striping to the four at grade crossings of SR 37 that will remain open to traffic in Martinsville for either the entirety of the closure or for most of 2021. Photos were taken Sunday, January 3, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

I-69 Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking north toward State Road 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville, Indiana, on the first full day of closure of SR 37, in preparation for SR 37 to be upgraded to interstate standards. In the background is the SR 252/Hospital Dr. crossing, which will remain open to east-west traffic during the year State Road 37 is closed.

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Slightly closer perspective. In the deep background at the crest of the hill is SR 37/SR 44 crossing, which is now sealed off from SR 37. State Road 44 east of SR 37 will be remain open to traffic throughout the project. SR 44/Reuben Dr. west of SR 37, however, will only be open for part of 2021. Also, for most of 2021, State Road 44 eastbound will be reachable via a northbound lane on SR 37 accessed at SR 252 (note the vehicles doing just that).

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Closer look of closed SR 37 and the SR 252/Hospital Dr. and SR 44/Reuben Dr. crossings using the long range lens.

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Looking south toward State Road 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass on the first full day of SR 37's closure.

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Slightly closer look at closed SR 37; looking south. In the background around the curve but not quite visible is the SR 37/Ohio Street-Mahalasville Road intersection where an interchange will be built.

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Another perspective looking north toward closed State Road 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

Kind of eerie seeing a busy highway closed like that.

Google Maps has the closure showing from the State Road 37 interchange to the East Morgan St. intersection.

They have it showing as closed until NOV 2021, FYI.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 04, 2021, 12:58:18 PM
That is one lonely road.  I surely hope that we have favorable weather and that everything at least stays on schedule for the road closure work. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 04, 2021, 04:16:39 PM
There was an announcement today that all of the NCAA March Madness tournament games are going to be played in Central Indiana this year with three sites around Indianapolis, one in West Lafayette (at Purdue) and one in Bloomington (at IU.) So does this make the SR 37 detour around Martinsville part of the "Road to the Final Four?"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 04, 2021, 07:22:29 PM
Before putting up another batch of pictures, a few observations. It appears, from what I witnessed, that the closure of State Road 37 in Martinsville proceeded smoothly. The number of law enforcement vehicles posted throughout the closure zone was impressive. Both state and local police, in marked and unmarked vehicles. Obviously, INDOT wanted the closure to occur without a hitch and was taking no chances. And that's apparently what transpired. Late in the afternoon on Sunday, January 3, 2020, traffic was running smoothy without backup from I-69 northbound straight onto Morton Ave./State Road 39 in Martinsville. To be sure, traffic was light, but it was a positive sign the detour was working as planned.

On my trip to Martinsville on Sunday, instead of continuing north on I-69 to the detour point, I exited at the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange and took the new frontage road -- Old SR 37 -- north to Jordan Road and then a left onto Burton Lane, which a mile or so further on intersects with State Road 37. For residents of Martinsville who wish to travel south on I-69, this short work around to the Liberty Church Road interchange might be worthwhile. This way they won't have to negotiate the traffic on Morton Ave./SR 39. And from the traffic I saw on Burton Lane, some drivers were already doing just that. There is one small stretch of Burton Lane that is rough with a number of large potholes. More traffic will only make the situation worse. Hopefully, local authorities of aware of the area and will take steps to mitigate any further degradation. Burton Lane south of SR 37 is a narrow country road, and like many country roads wasn't built to handle truck traffic. If large trucks begin to use it regularly, the road may quickly deteriorate.

I-69 Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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A RoadSafe team arriving at the recently closed State Road 37/Burton Lane intersection for re-striping work; looking east. For most of 2021, Burton Lane will remain open to cross SR 37. Eventually, the road will be closed off as no interchange or overpass will be built here.

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Yup, more work to do. Looking southwest from near the SR 37/Burton Lane crossing toward the closed SR 37/SR 39 interchange.

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RoadSafe team members at the SR 37/Burton Lane crossing; looking east.

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Getting ready to get to work.

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Prep work prior to putting down a double yellow; looking southeast.

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Measuring out where the new striping is to be placed.

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Grinding off no longer relevant pavement markings.

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Mid-range perspective of the re-striping work. Burton Lane remained open throughout the process, although traffic was stopped from time to time.

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The road striping equipment truck; looking south. I didn't stick around to see the re-striping job completed because I wanted to take a few snaps of SR 37 from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass before it got too dark. I posted a few of those photos earlier.

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One last one. Another look at SR 37 and the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking southwest. In the background, detoured I-69 traffic is running on the newly constructed southbound lanes of future I-69 just north of the bridge over Indian Creek. Northbound, from that point, it's straight ahead onto Morton Ave./SR 39 in Martinsville.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 05, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Sometimes potholes are desirable.

I remember a favorite shortcut getting riddled with potholes. So I went down to the township highway office and asked them if/when they could fix it?

The answer I got was not satisfying, but it had cause.

They asked me why I was driving down that road? I told them it was a great shortcut.

They asked me how fast would I drive if they fixed it? I said, "I am not sure, the speed limit I reckon"

I was told that potholes make a great speed limiter and if the road makes the shortcut not worthy anymore, then maybe it shouldn't be a shortcut anymore.

The message they were giving me was, "use roads for their intended purpose".

County Roads are not meant to be regional or local arterials. They are meant for farmers and rural residents was the message I was being told.

I don't agree with that assessment myself, but have used it as the running reason why many rurals roads don't get fixed often or on demand.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Flint1979 on January 06, 2021, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 05, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Sometimes potholes are desirable.

I remember a favorite shortcut getting riddled with potholes. So I went down to the township highway office and asked them if/when they could fix it?

The answer I got was not satisfying, but it had cause.

They asked me why I was driving down that road? I told them it was a great shortcut.

They asked me how fast would I drive if they fixed it? I said, "I am not sure, the speed limit I reckon"

I was told that potholes make a great speed limiter and if the road makes the shortcut not worthy anymore, then maybe it shouldn't be a shortcut anymore.

The message they were giving me was, "use roads for their intended purpose".

County Roads are not meant to be regional or local arterials. They are meant for farmers and rural residents was the message I was being told.

I don't agree with that assessment myself, but have used it as the running reason why many rurals roads don't get fixed often or on demand.
The potholes aren't supposed to be there so using them for a speed limiter is a very poor excuse for not fixing the road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 06, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
^

Just sounds like a lazy excuse to defer needed maintenance. Sad really.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 06, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 05, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Sometimes potholes are desirable.

I remember a favorite shortcut getting riddled with potholes. So I went down to the township highway office and asked them if/when they could fix it?

The answer I got was not satisfying, but it had cause.

They asked me why I was driving down that road? I told them it was a great shortcut.

They asked me how fast would I drive if they fixed it? I said, "I am not sure, the speed limit I reckon"

I was told that potholes make a great speed limiter and if the road makes the shortcut not worthy anymore, then maybe it shouldn't be a shortcut anymore.

The message they were giving me was, "use roads for their intended purpose".

County Roads are not meant to be regional or local arterials. They are meant for farmers and rural residents was the message I was being told.

I don't agree with that assessment myself, but have used it as the running reason why many rurals roads don't get fixed often or on demand.

I don't agree with this, i think you were given excuses not real reasons. potholes can pose a safety problem on a road, and county roads are for moving people not just farmers, the limiting factor is money, most rural counties have no money to fix their roads. hence why most of them are just layer after layer of chip seal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on January 06, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
In western MA, leaving roads unmaintained to restrict speeds was standard practice and even encouraged by locals...up until the 1990s.

I do think it's safe to say that mentality is thankfully behind the region now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Flint1979 on January 06, 2021, 04:31:15 PM
I can think of a few roads around me like that, all in Saginaw County. Davis Road between Tittabawassee and Pierce Road was one until this past summer when they finally rebuilt the road. Graham Road between Curve Road to Tittabawassee is one, another one is Tittabawassee itself west of Gleaner all the way to Meridian. All are county maintained roads. It seems like Saginaw County does a pretty poor job of maintaining the roads as the road their garage is on (Sheridan) is in bad shape as are Hess and Gallagher, a set of one way streets nearby.

I can't figure out what got into the county to redo Davis Road this past summer though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 07, 2021, 07:48:44 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 06, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 05, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Sometimes potholes are desirable.

I remember a favorite shortcut getting riddled with potholes. So I went down to the township highway office and asked them if/when they could fix it?

The answer I got was not satisfying, but it had cause.

They asked me why I was driving down that road? I told them it was a great shortcut.

They asked me how fast would I drive if they fixed it? I said, "I am not sure, the speed limit I reckon"

I was told that potholes make a great speed limiter and if the road makes the shortcut not worthy anymore, then maybe it shouldn't be a shortcut anymore.

The message they were giving me was, "use roads for their intended purpose".

County Roads are not meant to be regional or local arterials. They are meant for farmers and rural residents was the message I was being told.

I don't agree with that assessment myself, but have used it as the running reason why many rurals roads don't get fixed often or on demand.

I don't agree with this, i think you were given excuses not real reasons. potholes can pose a safety problem on a road, and county roads are for moving people not just farmers, the limiting factor is money, most rural counties have no money to fix their roads. hence why most of them are just layer after layer of chip seal.

I agree. Its the difference between letting someone know they have a headlight out or a low tire vs telling someone they aren't doing their job.

I thought I was helping them by letting them know where the issues were, they took it as me telling them they weren't doing their job.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: someone17 on January 09, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 07, 2021, 07:48:44 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 06, 2021, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 05, 2021, 12:53:26 PM
Sometimes potholes are desirable.

I remember a favorite shortcut getting riddled with potholes. So I went down to the township highway office and asked them if/when they could fix it?

The answer I got was not satisfying, but it had cause.

They asked me why I was driving down that road? I told them it was a great shortcut.

They asked me how fast would I drive if they fixed it? I said, "I am not sure, the speed limit I reckon"

I was told that potholes make a great speed limiter and if the road makes the shortcut not worthy anymore, then maybe it shouldn't be a shortcut anymore.

The message they were giving me was, "use roads for their intended purpose".

County Roads are not meant to be regional or local arterials. They are meant for farmers and rural residents was the message I was being told.

I don't agree with that assessment myself, but have used it as the running reason why many rurals roads don't get fixed often or on demand.

I don't agree with this, i think you were given excuses not real reasons. potholes can pose a safety problem on a road, and county roads are for moving people not just farmers, the limiting factor is money, most rural counties have no money to fix their roads. hence why most of them are just layer after layer of chip seal.

I agree. Its the difference between letting someone know they have a headlight out or a low tire vs telling someone they aren't doing their job.

I thought I was helping them by letting them know where the issues were, they took it as me telling them they weren't doing their job.

Yeah, they weren't doing their jobs imho.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 10, 2021, 03:09:13 PM
It looks like they're wasting no time at all getting to work on the recently closed section of SR-37 through Martinsville. From pictures posted on the I-69 Finish Line website just this past week, crews demolished the SR-37 overpass over the old ramps to SR-39 south of Martinsville. Removal of the old SR-37 pavement is moving along as well.

https://i69finishline.com/sr-37-winter-2020-2021/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on January 15, 2021, 12:50:32 PM
Has INDOT confirmed that SR 37 will be completely decommissioned along the entire I-69 concurrency, or will it become another "stealth concurrency" only signed from each end, just like the non-Interstate concurrencies on I-465?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 15, 2021, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 15, 2021, 12:50:32 PM
Has INDOT confirmed that SR 37 will be completely decommissioned along the entire I-69 concurrency, or will it become another "stealth concurrency" only signed from each end, just like the non-Interstate concurrencies on I-465?

I haven't seen anything official from INDOT on decommissioning SR-37 where it overlaps I-69, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 16, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 15, 2021, 12:50:32 PM
Has INDOT confirmed that SR 37 will be completely decommissioned along the entire I-69 concurrency, or will it become another "stealth concurrency" only signed from each end, just like the non-Interstate concurrencies on I-465?

yes 37 will be decommissioned. sign plans for the martinsville segment lack 37 signage, and the new interchange on the north east side of indy lacks 37 signage too. 37 will have 3 pieces now. the bloomington piece, fishers, and ft wayne piece.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on January 16, 2021, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.

Not to mention that INDOT plans to make the corridor a freeway all the way to Kokomo for now. An interstate designation is probably still years away, but even a temporary 3di would be beneficial as it would allow the speed limit to go to 70 under Indiana law.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 16, 2021, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 16, 2021, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.

Not to mention that INDOT plans to make the corridor a freeway all the way to Kokomo for now. An interstate designation is probably still years away, but even a temporary 3di would be beneficial as it would allow the speed limit to go to 70 under Indiana law.

I don't think Indiana is going to apply for a 3di unless they are giving up on eventually making it I-67. I don't see them putting up one set of signs just to go back and re-sign everything again later.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on January 16, 2021, 01:58:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 16, 2021, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.

Not to mention that INDOT plans to make the corridor a freeway all the way to Kokomo for now. An interstate designation is probably still years away, but even a temporary 3di would be beneficial as it would allow the speed limit to go to 70 under Indiana law.

I don't think Indiana is going to apply for a 3di unless they are giving up on eventually making it I-67. I don't see them putting up one set of signs just to go back and re-sign everything again later.

You're right that INDOT likely wouldn't go for one, it was more of a wish on my part given the speed limit situation. Until I-69 is done there probably won't be a lot to hear about regarding more 31 upgrades.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on January 16, 2021, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 01:49:42 PM
I don't think Indiana is going to apply for a 3di unless they are giving up on eventually making it I-67. I don't see them putting up one set of signs just to go back and re-sign everything again later.
Original I-69 Exit Tabs wave "Hi"  on that whole one set of signs to re-sign everything later...and then re-sign it a 3rd time!

I don't think INDOT minds too much putting up new signs
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on January 16, 2021, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 16, 2021, 01:58:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 16, 2021, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.

Not to mention that INDOT plans to make the corridor a freeway all the way to Kokomo for now. An interstate designation is probably still years away, but even a temporary 3di would be beneficial as it would allow the speed limit to go to 70 under Indiana law.

I don't think Indiana is going to apply for a 3di unless they are giving up on eventually making it I-67. I don't see them putting up one set of signs just to go back and re-sign everything again later.

You're right that INDOT likely wouldn't go for one, it was more of a wish on my part given the speed limit situation. Until I-69 is done there probably won't be a lot to hear about regarding more 31 upgrades.

Are the US 31 upgrades to interstate standards?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 17, 2021, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.
The entire US-31 corridor between Indianapolis and South Bend could be designated as Future I-67, with the portion closer to I-465 that meets interstate standards actually receiving the I-67 designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 2trailertrucker on January 17, 2021, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 17, 2021, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on January 16, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
How much work and ROW would be needed to get the I-67 designation from Westfield to I-465?

US 31 is already freeway from I-465 to just north of Westfield. That's not long enough to get an I-67 designation. It could qualify for an I-x65 designation, but I've not heard any suggesting that the state pursue that designation.
The entire US-31 corridor between Indianapolis and South Bend could be designated as Future I-67, with the portion closer to I-465 that meets interstate standards actually receiving the I-67 designation.
Or in INDOT fashion, have I-67 in 3 segments:

I-465 to Westfield
Kokomo Bypass
Plymouth to South Bend.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 17, 2021, 08:03:09 PM
^
Kokomo would not work because it does not attach to any other interstate highway.

Plymouth to South Bend technically does but the interchange with US-20 is substandard and the freeway near South Bend may need to be upgraded further to reach I-80 / I-90.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 17, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 17, 2021, 08:03:09 PM
^
Kokomo would not work because it does not attach to any other interstate highway.

Plymouth to South Bend technically does but the interchange with US-20 is substandard and the freeway near South Bend may need to be upgraded further to reach I-80 / I-90.

and the approach to the us 20 interchange is substandard too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 18, 2021, 01:18:43 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 17, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 17, 2021, 08:03:09 PM
^
Kokomo would not work because it does not attach to any other interstate highway.

Plymouth to South Bend technically does but the interchange with US-20 is substandard and the freeway near South Bend may need to be upgraded further to reach I-80 / I-90.

and the approach to the us 20 interchange is substandard too.

The tight cloverleaf interchange between US-20 and US-31 would be difficult and costly to upgrade. They've allowed commercial development right up to the interchange ramps. There is also a large power substation adjacent to the southwest quadrant of the interchange that would have to be relocated before any upgrade of the interchange could take place, in addition to the condemnation/relocation of numerous residents and businesses.

The option I see that minimizes impacts to the surrounding homes and businesses would be to construct a flyover from US-31 NB to US-20 WB, and to straighten and add a second lane to the US-20 EB to US-31 SB ramp. There would still be some properties taken for the project, but far fewer than fully converting the interchange to something that would meet modern interstate standards.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 19, 2021, 04:57:32 PM
Drove up to Martinsville yesterday for another look-see. As it was MLK Day, a national holiday, I figured no work would be occurring. I was wrong. The area was buzzing with workers and machines. Apparently, not a day is to be wasted, even a national holiday.

Photos were taken Monday, January 18, 2021, unless otherwise identified.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana

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Northbound Interstate 69 traffic (left lanes) detoured onto Morton Ave./State Road 39 in Martinsville, Indiana; looking south. State Road 37, now sealed off, is located on the left. Currently, all traffic to and from I-69 south of Martinsville, utilizes the newly built mainline I-69 southbound bridge over Indian Creek (located in the deep background, but not visible). The bridge carries three lanes of traffic: two northbound, one southbound.

In the foreground, the traffic light in the foreground denotes the Morton Ave./Rogers Road intersection. The light is a temporary installation and will be removed when the new I-69/SR 39 interchange with roundabouts completes.

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The razing and complete removal of the old State Road 37 mainline bridges at the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking south. The bridges were where the excavator is positioned. In the foreground is the old ramp from SR 37 southbound to SR 39.

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Closer look of the traffic diverted onto Morton Ave./SR 39 just south of Martinsville proper. In the background just below the cell phone tower (expand the photo) is a crane positioned near Indian Creek. The northbound mainline bridge over the creek has now be demolished.

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Broad perspective of the construction zone near what used to be the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking south. The rubble in the foreground was the SR 37 southbound ramp to SR 39.

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Another view of the work underway to completely remove the mainline bridges at what was the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 19, 2021, 05:38:34 PM

Another batch. Photos were taken Monday, January 18, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Repositioning an asphalt milling machine near the Burton Lane/SR 37 crossing; looking east.

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The milling machine, a Wirtgen W220i.

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Large articulated dump trucks slowly back up toward the milling machine to receive additional material; looking east.

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Grinding off a layer of asphalt; looking southwest. The road running across the frame is Burton Lane. In the background right, the slight elevation indicates the location of the SR 37/SR 39 interchange, now demolished.

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Closer look of the milling operation.

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Loaded up, with another truck moving into position. The milled material was being re-purposed as fill about a mile up the roadway just north of the Mahalasville Road/Ohio Street crossing.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 20, 2021, 08:16:34 AM
I noticed in the earlier batch of photos that the Wirtgen scraper is brand new. Less than a year old. Probably purchased/leased for this I-69 contract.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 20, 2021, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 19, 2021, 04:57:32 PM
Drove up to Martinsville yesterday for another look-see. As it was MLK Day, a national holiday, I figured no work would be occurring. I was wrong. The area was buzzing with workers and machines. Apparently, not a day is to be wasted, even a national holiday.

Photos were taken Monday, January 18, 2021, unless otherwise identified.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana

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Northbound Interstate 69 traffic (left lanes) detoured onto Morton Ave./State Road 39 in Martinsville, Indiana; looking south. State Road 37, now sealed off, is located on the left. Currently, all traffic to and from I-69 south of Martinsville, utilizes the newly built mainline I-69 southbound bridge over Indian Creek (located in the deep background, but not visible). The bridge carries three lanes of traffic: two northbound, one southbound.

In the foreground, the traffic light in the foreground denotes the Morton Ave./Rogers Road intersection. The light is a temporary installation and will be removed when the new I-69/SR 39 interchange with roundabouts completes.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50851800267_68fbd9a7c6_k.jpg)
The razing and complete removal of the old State Road 37 mainline bridges at the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking south. The bridges were where the excavator is positioned. In the foreground is the old ramp from SR 37 southbound to SR 39.

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Closer look of the traffic diverted onto Morton Ave./SR 39 just south of Martinsville proper. In the background just below the cell phone tower (expand the photo) is a crane positioned near Indian Creek. The northbound mainline bridge over the creek has now be demolished.

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Broad perspective of the construction zone near what used to be the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking south. The rubble in the foreground was the SR 37 southbound ramp to SR 39.

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Another view of the work underway to completely remove the mainline bridges at what was the SR 37/SR 39 interchange; looking south.

Git 'r done!

https://youtu.be/005uaVDyIk4
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 20, 2021, 03:43:05 PM

Before I post another set of photos, a comment about the recent weather here in south-central Indiana. It's been good, real good. Day and night temperatures have been about average, maybe even a tad above normal, with just a little snow. More significantly, however, there has yet to be an intense, bitter cold snap, with temps dropping in single digits or below. This has been a blessing for the contractors working on Section 6, as the ground has stayed generally unfrozen. To be sure, temps have been falling in the low 20s at night, but daytime warming is keeping the ground from becoming hard as a rock. In Bloomington, the high temp tomorrow, Thursday, January 21, 2020, is projected to be 48 degrees. That's well above average for this time of year. The 10 day forecast projects a continuation of seasonal temperatures, with little to no snow.

So, all in all, the weather has been cooperating big time, allowing the heavy construction in Martinsville and to the north to get off to a roaring start. Yes, it can suddenly change, but with the seasonal temps of January it bodes well that February will more of the same. Moreover, it's only 39 days till the warmer days of March.

To flashback on severe Indiana winter weather, seven years ago we had the Polar Vortex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2014_North_American_cold_wave), which brought weeks of bitter cold to much of the country. And who can forget the infamous Blizzard of 1978, if you were around then. People had to be rescued by the National Guard from cars and trucks buried in snow drifts on interstates, and schools were closed for two full weeks. It was, to say the least, memorable. Here's a couple of videos:





Here's another batch of pictures. Photos were taken Monday, January 18, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville, Indiana, toward old State Road 37. Crews have removed the shoulders of the roadway and have milled off most of the asphalt overlay.

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Closer perspective looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Excavation work is underway in preparation to construct new mainline bridges over a rerouted Sartor Ditch. This project is a priority because the small creek must be realigned before heavy construction can begin on the I-69/Mahalasville Road/Ohio Street interchange.

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Different perspective of the work ongoing to reroute Sartor Ditch; looking slightly east. In the foreground where the dozer is located, fill material is being put down to form the base for the southbound exit ramp of the Mahalasville Road/Ohio Street interchange.

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Another view. The pile driving rigging on the ground in the background (the yellow piece) indicates that pile driving or drilling will soon commence for the new bridges over rerouted Sartor Ditch.

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Looking south toward the Mahalasville Road/Ohio Street crossing. Articulated dump trucks are hauling milled material from the Burton Lane vicinity (see pictures in previous post) to use as fill material. The tube culvert pictured is one of two carrying Sartor Ditch underneath State Road 37; the adjacent one is hidden by the brush.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 20, 2021, 10:23:16 PM
Hopefully they will replace those tube culverts for Sartor Ditch, with large box culverts.

I have a feeling that once they finish I-69 northeast of town that waterflow down the ditch will actually increase.

But that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 20, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 20, 2021, 10:23:16 PM
Hopefully they will replace those tube culverts for Sartor Ditch, with large box culverts.

I have a feeling that once they finish I-69 northeast of town that waterflow down the ditch will actually increase.

But that is just my opinion.

Initially, I, too, thought they'd replace the tube culverts with a large box culvert. But that will not be the case. Instead, mainline bridges with precast concrete beams will built over Sartor Ditch. The creek will be realigned to flow underneath I-69 a little further north than it presently does under State Road 37. That's what the construction pictured in the above photos depict. Excavation is now underway to form the new channel for the creek, with construction of the new mainline bridges to soon follow.

The drawings for the new bridges over Sartor Ditch can be found by searching the INDOT document page here (https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/Default.aspx). Enter Contract #33493 where indicated, then under Plan/Drawing Sets select and download the drawing set for FT Plans 1800360 for Contract Services, found on the second page of the available plan/drawing sets (the pages are indicated by numbers at the bottom of the list).

Edit: Please note that FT plan/drawing number 1800360 referenced above is not correct. The correct file name/number is: FT Plans 1800348 1800350 for Contract Services.

Here, again, is a picture which shows both the present and new channel of Sartor Ditch:
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The present Sartor Ditch channel is on the left and is indicated by the twin tube culverts; the new channel is on the right; looking north.

Edit: Added note to correct the FT plan/drawing for the bridges over Sartor Ditch.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 21, 2021, 12:20:07 AM
One last set. Photos were taken Monday, January 18, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass toward State Road 37 and the SR 252/Hospital Drive crossing. It had been dark and overcast, then suddenly the sun peeked out.

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Closer look view just before the sun appeared; looking north.

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Ah, the sun! Slightly closer perspective; looking north. It looks like a drainage culvert is being installed underneath the mainline roadways in the mid-background.

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Another long range view. At the crest of the hill, the pile driving rigging has been shifted to east side of SR 37 for more pile driving for the I-69/SR 44 interchange.

This week, from the SR 37/Morgan Street crossing just north of Martinsville to the SR 37/SR 144 intersection in Johnson County, all State Road 37 traffic will be shifted to the northbound lanes of SR 37. Nearly 12 miles of concrete barrier wall will be placed to safely separate traffic from the construction work that will take place on the southbound lanes. This barrier work is ongoing now. Think about that for a second. Twelve miles ... of concrete Jersey barriers. Wow. Where might all those barriers be stored. And we're not looking at a few hundred, but several thousand. And the cost to transport and install! Undoubtedly, a very impressive figure.

Edit: Swapped out a photo for a better one.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on January 21, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
What a project! Thanks for sharing all these photographs. It really shows the scope of the improvements, and I love seeing the temporary configurations used during construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on January 21, 2021, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 20, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 20, 2021, 10:23:16 PM
Hopefully they will replace those tube culverts for Sartor Ditch, with large box culverts.

I have a feeling that once they finish I-69 northeast of town that waterflow down the ditch will actually increase.

But that is just my opinion.

Initially, I, too, thought they'd replace the tube culverts with a large box culvert. But that will not be the case. Instead, mainline bridges with precast concrete beams will built over Sartor Ditch. The creek will be realigned to flow underneath I-69 a little further north than it presently does under State Road 37. That's what the construction pictured in the above photos depict. Excavation is now underway to form the new channel for the creek, with construction of the new mainline bridges to soon follow.

The drawings for the new bridges over Sartor Ditch can be found by searching the INDOT document page here (https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/Default.aspx). Enter Contract #33493 where indicated, then under Plan/Drawing Sets select and download the drawing set for FT Plans 1800360 for Contract Services, found on the second page of the available plan/drawing sets (the pages are indicated by numbers at the bottom of the list).

Here, again, is a picture which shows both the present and new channel of Sartor Ditch:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50743161007_5f22ab986a_k.jpg)
The present Sartor Ditch channel is on the left and is indicated by the twin tube culverts; the new channel is on the right; looking north.

Thank you I will go back and look at those ground plans again.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on January 21, 2021, 04:59:06 PM
As always ITB, your photos are on point. Thanks for the photographic updates!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 21, 2021, 12:20:07 AM
One last set. Photos were taken Monday, January 18, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segment 1; Martinsville, Indiana
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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass toward State Road 37 and the SR 252/Hospital Drive crossing. It had been dark and overcast, then suddenly the sun peeked out.

That demolished intersection right in the middle seems to be the former intersection for the Dodge dealership, which makes me wonder- where are they gonna put the new dealerships? They seem to have taken out at least two so far (Dodge and Ford) that were right up against 37, so they're gonna have to put new ones somewhere.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 22, 2021, 03:26:03 AM

^^^
There's a Ford dealership in Martinsville adjacent to State Road 37. Access is via Robert Curry Drive, which connects into Industrial Dr. and Commercial Blvd. Also, Flag Stone Dr. may have been extended to reach to the dealership.

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Looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Photo was taken January 18, 2020.

Google maps has updated its satellite images for Martinsville and Morgan County. Although the images are from about a year ago, earth work is visible in the vicinity of the SR 37/Henderson Ford Road intersection, as well as other areas where new frontage roads were under construction.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 23, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
While we're talking about Martinsville. I'd like to thank ITB for mentioning the contract number for the Martinsville section which allowed to research the signage plans for I-69. I know I mentioned it a year or so again but I thought I'd put up some of the images for the planned signage in Martinsville.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50866124918_46a918f526_b.jpg)

Starting off, there will be a special sign announcing the three exits for Martinsville, very similar to what previously existed along SR 37

Control cities are Indianapolis and Evansville and mileage signs mention them both north and south of Martinsville

Common for signage within Indiana cities the local street name is used with the state highway shield. This is curious since I had expected that the SR 252 exit would mention Morgantown and the SR 44 exit would sign Franklin. I'm not familiar with how well used the local street names are used in Martinsville, I had never heard of Reuben Drive until seeing this. SR 39 gets only Martinsville signed on its sign. Also there is no mention of SR 67 on the SR 39 sign as there is today.

Otherwise the signage planned for I-69 in Martinsville is pretty good and typical for Indiana. Now if only Sections 1-4 can get going with the mileage signs/northbound control city...cough...cough.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 23, 2021, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 23, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
While we're talking about Martinsville. I'd like to thank ITB for mentioning the contract number for the Martinsville section which allowed to research the signage plans for I-69. I know I mentioned it a year or so again but I thought I'd put up some of the images for the planned signage in Martinsville.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50866124918_46a918f526_b.jpg)

Starting off, there will be a special sign announcing the three exits for Martinsville, very similar to what previously existed along SR 37

Control cities are Indianapolis and Evansville and mileage signs mention them both north and south of Martinsville

Common for signage within Indiana cities the local street name is used with the state highway shield. This is curious since I had expected that the SR 252 exit would mention Morgantown and the SR 44 exit would sign Franklin. I'm not familiar with how well used the local street names are used in Martinsville, I had never heard of Reuben Drive until seeing this. SR 39 gets only Martinsville signed on its sign. Also there is no mention of SR 67 on the SR 39 sign as there is today.

Otherwise the signage planned for I-69 in Martinsville is pretty good and typical for Indiana. Now if only Sections 1-4 can get going with the mileage signs/northbound control city...cough...cough.

These sign drawings also seem to confirm that SR-37 will be de-signed along I-69 between Bloomington and Indianapolis once Section 6 to I-465 is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on January 23, 2021, 08:44:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 23, 2021, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 23, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
While we're talking about Martinsville. I'd like to thank ITB for mentioning the contract number for the Martinsville section which allowed to research the signage plans for I-69. I know I mentioned it a year or so again but I thought I'd put up some of the images for the planned signage in Martinsville.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50866124918_46a918f526_b.jpg)

Starting off, there will be a special sign announcing the three exits for Martinsville, very similar to what previously existed along SR 37

Control cities are Indianapolis and Evansville and mileage signs mention them both north and south of Martinsville

Common for signage within Indiana cities the local street name is used with the state highway shield. This is curious since I had expected that the SR 252 exit would mention Morgantown and the SR 44 exit would sign Franklin. I'm not familiar with how well used the local street names are used in Martinsville, I had never heard of Reuben Drive until seeing this. SR 39 gets only Martinsville signed on its sign. Also there is no mention of SR 67 on the SR 39 sign as there is today.

Otherwise the signage planned for I-69 in Martinsville is pretty good and typical for Indiana. Now if only Sections 1-4 can get going with the mileage signs/northbound control city...cough...cough.

These sign drawings also seem to confirm that SR-37 will be de-signed along I-69 between Bloomington and Indianapolis once Section 6 to I-465 is completed.

This is true.

For those wanting to check out the rest of the plans, the five contract numbers are R-40848, R-33493, R-33541, R-41542, and R-41536. The fifth (Fairview Road to I-465) doesn't seem to have plans available, though, and seems to be a design-build contract, unlike the other four.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 24, 2021, 01:42:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 20, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50743161007_5f22ab986a_k.jpg)

I'm having trouble visualizing the new route of the ditch. Is it going to be something like this?

(https://i.imgur.com/PJPU5KL.png)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 24, 2021, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 24, 2021, 01:42:51 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 20, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
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I'm having trouble visualizing the new route of the ditch. Is it going to be something like this?

(https://i.imgur.com/PJPU5KL.png)


Pretty much so. Here's a map that depicts the course of rerouted Sartor Ditch:

I-69/Mahalasville Road/Ohio Street interchange; Martinsville, Indiana
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 24, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Very nice to see the signage that will going up in Martinsville. My thanks to tdindy88 for searching the documents and putting up the post.

So we have the following exits in Martinsville:

• Exit 137 — State Road 39
• Exit 138 — Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road
• Exit 139 — State Road 252/Hospital Dr.
• Exit 140 — State Road 44/Reuben Dr.

Although I'm not well versed in signage formalities, it seems the northbound I-69 signage for State Road 252/Hospital Dr. & SR 44/Reuben Dr. will be designated Exit 139, while, vice versa, the southbound signage will be Exit 140. Also, for northbound I-69, I'm wondering whether it would be prudent to mention Mooresville and Indianapolis International Airport on Exit 137 signage for State Road 39. Lots of traffic from south-central Indiana utilizes SR 39 and SR 67 to reach Mooreville and, further on, the airport. That's the routing the Bloomington airport shuttles have been following for many years. Of course, this may change will the completion of I-69 to I-465; then again it may not, as the SR 39/67 route will remain somewhat shorter in distance. And, count me, as well, as being surprised there is no mention of either Franklin or Morgantown on the signage.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on January 24, 2021, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 24, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
- Exit 139 – State Road 252/Hospital Dr.
- Exit 140 – State Road 44/Reuben Dr.

Although I'm not well versed in signage formalities, it seems the northbound I-69 signage for State Road 252/Hospital Dr. & SR 44/Reuben Dr. will be designated Exit 139, while, vice versa, the southbound signage will be Exit 140.

Actually, according to the plans, both directions will be signed as Exit 140, with it being treated as basically just a long diamond. It'll be signed for SR 44/252, Reuben Drive/Hospital Drive in both directions too, not even reversing order of the streets for the other direction.

Quote from: ITB on January 24, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Also, for northbound I-69, I'm wondering whether it would be prudent to mention Mooresville and Indianapolis International Airport on Exit 137 signage for State Road 39. Lots of traffic from south-central Indiana utilizes SR 39 and SR 67 to reach Mooreville and, further on, the airport. That's the routing the Bloomington airport shuttles have been following for many years. Of course, this may change will the completion of I-69 to I-465; then again it may not, as the SR 39/67 route will remain somewhat shorter in distance. And, count me, as well, as being surprised there is no mention of either Franklin or Morgantown on the signage.

Existing signage for that exit includes "To SR 67," but not Mooresville; this will be dropped from the new signage. Mooresville will, however, be signed from the SR 144 interchange, but that would likely be much slower than taking SR 39 and 67. (The plans also misspell Mooresville as "Moorseville" on all the BGSes. Should probably let INDOT know in case no one's spotted that yet...)

Is the extension of the Ameriplex Parkway to connect to Southport Road (and thus indirectly I-69/SR 37) still being planned? That would probably be a better route from Bloomington to the airport once it's done. Going all the way up to I-465 and looping back onto I-70 couldn't possibly be a better route than SR 67, even with the all-freeway route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 24, 2021, 07:58:22 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 24, 2021, 07:09:10 PM
Is the extension of the Ameriplex Parkway to connect to Southport Road (and thus indirectly I-69/SR 37) still being planned? That would probably be a better route from Bloomington to the airport once it's done. Going all the way up to I-465 and looping back onto I-70 couldn't possibly be a better route than SR 67, even with the all-freeway route.

Yes, it's still being planned: http://www.decaturdirect.com/about/

In normal traffic though, I-69->I-465->I-70 would be quicker than navigating three traffic circles and a stoplight.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 25, 2021, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 24, 2021, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 24, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
- Exit 139 – State Road 252/Hospital Dr.
- Exit 140 – State Road 44/Reuben Dr.

Although I'm not well versed in signage formalities, it seems the northbound I-69 signage for State Road 252/Hospital Dr. & SR 44/Reuben Dr. will be designated Exit 139, while, vice versa, the southbound signage will be Exit 140.

Actually, according to the plans, both directions will be signed as Exit 140, with it being treated as basically just a long diamond. It'll be signed for SR 44/252, Reuben Drive/Hospital Drive in both directions too, not even reversing order of the streets for the other direction.

Makes sense. After all, it is, as you note, just a long diamond.

Quote from: Roadsguy on January 24, 2021, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 24, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Also, for northbound I-69, I'm wondering whether it would be prudent to mention Mooresville and Indianapolis International Airport on Exit 137 signage for State Road 39. Lots of traffic from south-central Indiana utilizes SR 39 and SR 67 to reach Mooreville and, further on, the airport. That's the routing the Bloomington airport shuttles have been following for many years. Of course, this may change will the completion of I-69 to I-465; then again it may not, as the SR 39/67 route will remain somewhat shorter in distance. And, count me, as well, as being surprised there is no mention of either Franklin or Morgantown on the signage.

Existing signage for that exit includes "To SR 67," but not Mooresville; this will be dropped from the new signage. Mooresville will, however, be signed from the SR 144 interchange, but that would likely be much slower than taking SR 39 and 67. (The plans also misspell Mooresville as "Moorseville" on all the BGSes. Should probably let INDOT know in case no one's spotted that yet...)

Taking into account what's been said, perhaps it's best Mooresville or Indianapolis International Airport is not added to signage at the I-69/SR 39 exit. However, I feel it's appropriate to have direction and mileage signage at the SR 39/SR 67 intersection in Martinsville for Mooresville, the airport, and Indianapolis, as well as Spencer. And at the SR 67/Ameriplex Pkwy. intersection a larger directional sign for the airport is certainly warranted.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 25, 2021, 03:44:27 PM

Before I post some more photos I want to thank those of you who have expressed kind comments. I've been photographing the construction of I-69 since the summer of 2014. Sometimes it has had the feel of a job, but, generally, I've enjoyed getting out and about and seeing parts of rural Indiana that were unfamiliar to me.

Because the traffic shift to the northbound lanes was anticipated to happen as early as Saturday, I made another trip to Morgan County. Work, however, was still underway putting down the concrete barrier sections. As I noted in an earlier post, almost 12 miles of barrier wall will be trucked in and installed north of Martinsville. Here's a few more pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, January 23, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segments 1 & 2; Morgan County, Indiana
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Looking north toward the State Road 37/Morgan Street crossing just north of Martinsville. This is the northern closure point of the Martinsville segment. It appears work is underway to install a drainage culvert. On the right is Twin Branch Road, one of new frontage roads recently constructed.

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The scene from the opposite direction; looking south from near the SR 37/Morgan Street crossing.

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Looking north toward SR 37 from near the Morgan Street crossing. Here, vehicles can either turn right onto Morgan Street or left (pictured) onto Twin Branch Road, which further on, intersects with SR 44. In the background right (expand the photo) is the starting point of the concrete barriers separating the lanes on northbound SR 37.

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Long range shot looking north toward to SR 37/Morgan Street crossing.

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Closer view of the work underway. While surveying the scene, two pickups with flashing lights (pictured) pulled up. It's possible the traffic shift to the northbound lanes was imminent, but I didn't stick around to see whether this happened or not.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 25, 2021, 05:13:27 PM

Another set. Photos were taken Saturday, January 23, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segments 1 & 2; Morgan County, Indiana
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Placing concrete barrier sections just north of the State Road 37/Old SR 37-Myra Lane crossing north of Martinsville in Morgan County; looking northeast. In this vicinity, there will be two barrier walls – one to separate the northbound lanes, which will soon host bi-directional traffic; the other, to safely separate all traffic from the future construction work on the southbound lanes.

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Closer perspective of the barrier installation work north of the SR 37/Old SR 37-Myra Lane crossing; looking northeast.

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Trucks with flatbed trailers loaded with barrier wall sections; looking southeast. Each truck carried 11 sections. From a glance, it appeared the sections were eight feet long. So, in total, the five trucks pictured were delivering 440 feet of barrier.

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A crew of five was handling the barrier installation. Hard, demanding work.

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Another look at the barrier wall installation; looking east.

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Taking a momentary break as some equipment is removed from the work zone; looking east. An overpass will be constructed here carrying Myra Lane. On the other of side of SR 37 is one of Martinsville's larger commercial fish hatcheries. The city is known for its hatcheries and was once dubbed the "goldfish capital of the world." Interested in stocking a pond? Clear Creek Fisheries (http://clearcreekfisheries.net/) or Ozark Fisheries (https://www.ozarkkoi.com/), among several others, will gladly be of assistance.

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Signage at the State Road 37/Old SR 37-Myra Lane crossing; looking east.





Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 25, 2021, 06:24:26 PM

A few more. Again, photos were taken Saturday, January 23, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6, Segment 2; Morgan County, Indiana
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Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County toward State Road 37. If it hasn't been already, southbound traffic will soon be diverted to a lane on SR 37 northbound. In the background (expand the photo) are the mainline bridges over Clear Creek. These will be replaced with new bridges.

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Another perspective looking south from the Egbert Road overpass.

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Looking northeast toward SR 37 from the Egbert Road overpass. A pair of mainlines bridges will be constructed in this area, probably about where the culvert has been placed, the opening of which is visible (left, mid-foreground). This particularly spot is termed a "dry swale," and, apparently, geological conditions were such that construction of bridges was deemed necessary. Visible in the deep background is the approach to the Henderson Ford Road overpass.

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Slightly different view looking north from the Egbert Road overpass. Here, too, a crew was on the job, moving barrier sections.

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Another view looking north.

Three more.

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View toward the State Road 37/Morgan Street crossing, as the sun began to sink low in the southwestern sky; looking north.

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Trucks and their barrier loads near the SR 37/Old SR 37-Myra Lane crossing; looking east.

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Although it was nearly 5 pm, these guys were still going at it, with about another 60 sections to place. A portable light fixture was on site if needed. Stay safe guys! We value and appreciate your work.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on January 26, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
Thank You ITB for the pics.

Does anyone know if they have let that last segment (Contract 5) for construction?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on January 26, 2021, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on January 26, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
Thank You ITB for the pics.

Does anyone know if they have let that last segment (Contract 5) for construction?

According to the I-69 Finish Line website, the bids were let this past fall. Looking at the INDOT bid letting list, I don't see anything pertaining to I-69 in Marion County, so it would seem they were indeed let.

https://i69finishline.com/construction-schedule/

https://entapps.indot.in.gov/Lettings/Dashboard
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 26, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on January 26, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
Thank You ITB for the pics.

My pleasure. Glad they were of interest.

Quote from: mvak36 on January 26, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
Does anyone know if they have let that last segment (Contract 5) for construction?

Quote from: SW Indiana on January 26, 2021, 02:18:24 PM
According to the I-69 Finish Line website, the bids were let this past fall. Looking at the INDOT bid letting list, I don't see anything pertaining to I-69 in Marion County, so it would seem they were indeed let.

https://i69finishline.com/construction-schedule/

https://entapps.indot.in.gov/Lettings/Dashboard

Contract #5 is still to be let. The schedule was to let the contract late in 2020, but that didn't happen. I don't want to speculate, but safe to say INDOT is working hard to get the contract ready for letting. When ready it should appear on INDOT's 18 month letting list (https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/dashboard/letting/report). The list is regularly updated the 15th of every month, and, apparently, periodically at other times as well. At this time, only three environmental mitigation contracts are found for PR-69 (Proposed Route 69). Best way to search the list is using the find-in-this-page function, searching under either PR-69 or PR 69. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 26, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 26, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on January 26, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
Thank You ITB for the pics.

My pleasure. Glad they were of interest.

Quote from: mvak36 on January 26, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
Does anyone know if they have let that last segment (Contract 5) for construction?

Quote from: SW Indiana on January 26, 2021, 02:18:24 PM
According to the I-69 Finish Line website, the bids were let this past fall. Looking at the INDOT bid letting list, I don't see anything pertaining to I-69 in Marion County, so it would seem they were indeed let.

https://i69finishline.com/construction-schedule/

https://entapps.indot.in.gov/Lettings/Dashboard

Contract #5 is still to be let. The schedule was to let the contract late in 2020, but that didn't happen. I don't want to speculate, but safe to say INDOT is working hard to get the contract ready for letting. When ready it should appear on INDOT's 18 month letting list (https://entapps.indot.in.gov/lettings/dashboard/letting/report). The list is regularly updated the 15th of every month, and, apparently, periodically at other times as well. At this time, only three environmental mitigation contracts are found for PR-69 (Proposed Route 69). Best way to search the list is using the find-in-this-page function, searching under either PR-69 or PR 69.

I think the challenge there is they have to sync up Contract #5 with contracts for reconstructing and widening the south leg of I-465 to ensure everything goes smoothly. They're like cogs in a machine that have to be properly aligned and timed so they make the machine work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on February 02, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
All 27 miles of I-69 Section 6 are now under construction

Let the chaos begin...
https://youtu.be/EQoOQTe0gv0 (https://youtu.be/EQoOQTe0gv0)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 02 Park Ave on February 02, 2021, 02:33:13 PM
Yes, that is correct as Governor Eric J. Holcomb and Indiana Department of Transportation Commissioner Joe McGuinness have announced today that the final two of five construction contracts to build the I-69 Finish Line project between Martinsville and Indianapolis had been awarded.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 02, 2021, 04:06:42 PM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on February 02, 2021, 02:33:13 PM
Yes, that is correct as Governor Eric J. Holcomb and Indiana Department of Transportation Commissioner Joe McGuinness have announced today that the final two of five construction contracts to build the I-69 Finish Line project between Martinsville and Indianapolis had been awarded.

Wow! INDOT has indeed awarded the final contract of Section 6 contract (#5) to a Walsh Construction/Milestone Construction joint venture for $728 million. Call me surprised. As most of you know I've been following the the development and construction of I-69 in Indiana for many years, and I didn't see this one coming. Searching once again INDOT's letting website, I am unable to find any mention of or the letting of this contract. Maybe I'm missing something; I don't know. It's possible due to the size and importance of the contract, special provisions kicked in, which allowed INDOT to bypass the normal letting process. At any rate, with Contract #5 now awarded, the completion of Indiana's I-69 Corridor Project is one significant step closer to fruition. And that's a very good thing.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 02, 2021, 04:08:49 PM

Here's a link to the official INDOT announcement of the awarding of Section 6's final contract:

https://i69finishline.com/news/final-contracts-awarded-finish-line/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on February 03, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
This is very good news; I can't wait to see until the day that we can finally drive from Evansville to Indianapolis without stopping.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?

That's the official talking point from Governor Eric Holcomb is that construction will start on the Ohio River Bridge once the connection to I-465 is completed. Kentucky might start on the bridge approach between the I-69/US-41/KY-425 interchange and US-60 as soon as 2022.

https://www.14news.com/2021/01/20/gov-holcomb-announces-next-steps-i-ohio-river-crossing/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?

That's the official talking point from Governor Eric Holcomb is that construction will start on the Ohio River Bridge once the connection to I-465 is completed. Kentucky might start on the bridge approach between the I-69/US-41/KY-425 interchange and US-60 as soon as 2022.

https://www.14news.com/2021/01/20/gov-holcomb-announces-next-steps-i-ohio-river-crossing/

Interesting. So they will be charging tolls after all. Can't really see this getting much traffic until the Interstate is completed to Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on February 03, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
That may not be far off with traffic. I've have seen this route as an alternative from Nashville north to points north (Indianapolis, Chicago, etc). The combination of I-24, future I-169 and I-69 avoids Louisville. The entire route is complete in Kentucky except the Wingo interchange on the now Purchase Pkwy. I think that should be under construction in about 2 yrs or so. The TN portion of I-69 is already under construction around Union City, and should be complete in 2-3 yrs.
Other than the Ohio river crossing, a driver will be able to drive from the Canadian border at Port Huron, MI to Memphis, (via I-55) starting in 2025.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on February 03, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?

That's the official talking point from Governor Eric Holcomb is that construction will start on the Ohio River Bridge once the connection to I-465 is completed. Kentucky might start on the bridge approach between the I-69/US-41/KY-425 interchange and US-60 as soon as 2022.

https://www.14news.com/2021/01/20/gov-holcomb-announces-next-steps-i-ohio-river-crossing/

Interesting. So they will be charging tolls after all. Can't really see this getting much traffic until the Interstate is completed to Memphis.

The existing bridges carry 40,000 vehicles per day. With some diversion for the local bridge that remains in place, there will be sufficient through traffic utilizing a tolled Interstate 69 crossing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 03, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?

That's the official talking point from Governor Eric Holcomb is that construction will start on the Ohio River Bridge once the connection to I-465 is completed. Kentucky might start on the bridge approach between the I-69/US-41/KY-425 interchange and US-60 as soon as 2022.

https://www.14news.com/2021/01/20/gov-holcomb-announces-next-steps-i-ohio-river-crossing/

Interesting. So they will be charging tolls after all. Can't really see this getting much traffic until the Interstate is completed to Memphis.

The existing bridges carry 40,000 vehicles per day. With some diversion for the local bridge that remains in place, there will be sufficient through traffic utilizing a tolled Interstate 69 crossing.

And there will be even more traffic going over the Ohio River between Evansville and Henderson once the final connection to I-465 is completed. By that time I-69 will be almost finished between Indy and Dyersburg, where it would connect with I-155 and I-55 to reach Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on February 04, 2021, 01:40:27 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 03, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?

That's the official talking point from Governor Eric Holcomb is that construction will start on the Ohio River Bridge once the connection to I-465 is completed. Kentucky might start on the bridge approach between the I-69/US-41/KY-425 interchange and US-60 as soon as 2022.

https://www.14news.com/2021/01/20/gov-holcomb-announces-next-steps-i-ohio-river-crossing/

Interesting. So they will be charging tolls after all. Can't really see this getting much traffic until the Interstate is completed to Memphis.

The existing bridges carry 40,000 vehicles per day. With some diversion for the local bridge that remains in place, there will be sufficient through traffic utilizing a tolled Interstate 69 crossing.

And there will be even more traffic going over the Ohio River between Evansville and Henderson once the final connection to I-465 is completed. By that time I-69 will be almost finished between Indy and Dyersburg, where it would connect with I-155 and I-55 to reach Memphis.

See my post in the I-69 in TN (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.475) thread where I explain the idea of I-155 and I-69. It applies more so for long range travel but any major increases in traffic counts would be due to long trips.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on February 06, 2021, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: I-55 on February 04, 2021, 01:40:27 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 03, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 03, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: I-39 on February 03, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 02, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 02, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
so all that's left to do is the ohio river bridge!

This will happen after the Finish I-69 project is complete in 2024 with construction to start (hopefully) in 2025.

Is that confirmed or just speculation?

That's the official talking point from Governor Eric Holcomb is that construction will start on the Ohio River Bridge once the connection to I-465 is completed. Kentucky might start on the bridge approach between the I-69/US-41/KY-425 interchange and US-60 as soon as 2022.

https://www.14news.com/2021/01/20/gov-holcomb-announces-next-steps-i-ohio-river-crossing/

Interesting. So they will be charging tolls after all. Can't really see this getting much traffic until the Interstate is completed to Memphis.

The existing bridges carry 40,000 vehicles per day. With some diversion for the local bridge that remains in place, there will be sufficient through traffic utilizing a tolled Interstate 69 crossing.

And there will be even more traffic going over the Ohio River between Evansville and Henderson once the final connection to I-465 is completed. By that time I-69 will be almost finished between Indy and Dyersburg, where it would connect with I-155 and I-55 to reach Memphis.

See my post in the I-69 in TN (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3841.475) thread where I explain the idea of I-155 and I-69. It applies more so for long range travel but any major increases in traffic counts would be due to long trips.

The whole I-69 situation south of Dyersburg is discussed in length over in the "I-69 in TN" thread in Mid-South; including opinions (normatively negative) regarding the segment between Shreveport & Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 08, 2021, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Other routes already have 3+ segments: 4, 48, 101, 114, 159, so I doubt 37 will get changed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on February 08, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Michigan would preserve the existing route number on all segments and then sign it concurrent with the interstate as needed to avoid route gaps.  But that isn't Indiana's practice.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 09, 2021, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 08, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Michigan would preserve the existing route number on all segments and then sign it concurrent with the interstate as needed to avoid route gaps.  But that isn't Indiana's practice.

Part of that is because Indiana law limits the state to 12,000 miles of state-maintained roads. Overlaps with other state-maintained roads are counted toward that mileage. This is why you see a lot of disjointed state roads and very few signed overlaps in Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on February 10, 2021, 02:17:59 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Well, if they want to be goofy about it, they could decommission US 33 between Elkhart and Ft Wayne and replace it and 933 with an eastward extension of IN 2.  Then, replace the Ft. Wayne to Ohio segment of IN 37 with a further extension of IN 2.  Then 2 is continuous from Indiana to Ohio.
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Then for the "middle segment" decommission IN 15 between Marion and Gas City.  Replace "middle" IN 37 with IN 15 extended southward.
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The southern segment stays IN 37.  There you go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 10, 2021, 06:58:19 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 09, 2021, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 08, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Michigan would preserve the existing route number on all segments and then sign it concurrent with the interstate as needed to avoid route gaps.  But that isn't Indiana's practice.

Part of that is because Indiana law limits the state to 12,000 miles of state-maintained roads. Overlaps with other state-maintained roads are counted toward that mileage. This is why you see a lot of disjointed state roads and very few signed overlaps in Indiana.

Indiana is well under its limit. That's not why they don't have concurrencies with interstates (other than 37 and 67)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on March 02, 2021, 01:30:06 PM
Traveled up to Indy twice within the past three weeks, most recently this past Saturday. I opted to go through Martinsville and back onto 37 at the north end of the closure to check out the progress. Lots of work was ongoing, even for a Saturday and they seem to be making decent progress. Tree clearing looks to be about complete all the way to I-465 and along 465 itself in preparation for work.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 02, 2021, 06:10:07 PM

Even though February brought significant snow events and a couple weeks of bitter cold temperatures, some work continued on the Martinsville segment.

Here's a recent photo from INDOT's I-69 Finish Line webpage:

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Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Pouring concrete in mid-February for an abutment of the new bridge over rerouted Sartor Ditch in Martinsville, Indiana. Beams are expected to arrive on site here as early as Thursday, March 4th, for placement.

Lots of great construction photos are available for viewing on the I-69 Finish Line webpage, and those related to Contract No. 2 can be viewed here. (https://i69finishline.com/sr-37-winter-2020-2021)

Note: INDOT allows photos on its I-69 Finish Line page to be downloaded and posted, requesting only that they be properly credited to "I-69 Finish Line."

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 03, 2021, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 02, 2021, 06:10:07 PM

Even though February brought significant snow events and a couple weeks of bitter cold temperatures, some work continued on the Martinsville segment.

Here's a recent photo from INDOT's I-69 Finish Line webpage:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50998010166_c1e777026e_b.jpg)
Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Pouring concrete in mid-February for an abutment of the new bridge over rerouted Sartor Ditch in Martinsville, Indiana. Beams are expected to arrive on site here as early as Thursday, March 4th, for placement.

Lots of great construction photos are available for viewing on the I-69 Finish Line webpage, and those related to Contract No. 2 can be viewed here. (https://i69finishline.com/sr-37-winter-2020-2021)

Note: INDOT allows photos on its I-69 Finish Line page to be downloaded and posted, requesting only that they be properly credited to "I-69 Finish Line."

Looks like they've been able to keep things moving along, despite the recent record cold and snow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on March 07, 2021, 06:44:00 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 03, 2021, 12:25:14 PM

Looks like they've been able to keep things moving along, despite the recent record cold and snow.
Overall, it's been another very mild (wimpy) winter. Only those two weeks in mid-February has it behaved like a "real Winter". The foot of snow we had here in Castleton is now long gone, and with almost 100% sunshine for the past week, even the ground under where the snow had been piled up has dried out for the most part. This bodes well for I-69 construction (and other outdoor activities). Now as long as March doesn't turn soggy... or worse (March is the beginning of tornado season here in central IN).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on March 07, 2021, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 10, 2021, 06:58:19 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 09, 2021, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 08, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Michigan would preserve the existing route number on all segments and then sign it concurrent with the interstate as needed to avoid route gaps.  But that isn't Indiana's practice.

Part of that is because Indiana law limits the state to 12,000 miles of state-maintained roads. Overlaps with other state-maintained roads are counted toward that mileage. This is why you see a lot of disjointed state roads and very few signed overlaps in Indiana.

Indiana is well under its limit. That's not why they don't have concurrencies with interstates (other than 37 and 67)

Also the claim that the mileage on overlaps gets counted more than once is very [citation needed] if you ask me. I don't know why that would be the case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 07, 2021, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: vtk on March 07, 2021, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 10, 2021, 06:58:19 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 09, 2021, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 08, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Once all of SR 37 between Bloomington and Indianapolis is decommissioned, maybe the segments between Fishers and Marion, and between Fort Wayne and the Ohio state line should get new numbers. I find the idea of a three-segment state highway to be rather awkward.

Michigan would preserve the existing route number on all segments and then sign it concurrent with the interstate as needed to avoid route gaps.  But that isn't Indiana's practice.

Part of that is because Indiana law limits the state to 12,000 miles of state-maintained roads. Overlaps with other state-maintained roads are counted toward that mileage. This is why you see a lot of disjointed state roads and very few signed overlaps in Indiana.

Indiana is well under its limit. That's not why they don't have concurrencies with interstates (other than 37 and 67)

Also the claim that the mileage on overlaps gets counted more than once is very [citation needed] if you ask me. I don't know why that would be the case.

The Travel Mapping site lists 11261.6 miles of highways for Indiana. That's counting concurrencies only once, and also including a handful of miles that aren't state maintained. Without going through everything in detail, I'm pretty confident in stating that the state has well over 800 miles of concurrencies. I-465 carrying all those other highways and I-80 being concurrent through the entire state are a pretty big chunk by themselves.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 08, 2021, 05:06:09 PM
Here's a few more photos from INDOT's I-69 Finish Line webpage. Even though winter finally arrived in Indiana this February, construction of Section 6 hardly paused.

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Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Demo of the bridge that carried southbound State Road 37 over Stotts Creek in Morgan County; looking west.

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Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Another picture of the demo work at Stotts Creek, taken about a week later than the above photo; looking west.

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Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Piling driving for the new bridge that will carry the southbound lanes of I-69 over Stotts Creek; looking south.

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Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Driving wick drains near the former State Road 37/Country Club Road crossing in Martinsville, Indiana; looking north. Photo was taken February 18, 2021.

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Credit: I-69 Finish Line
Another look at the bridge demo work underway at Stotts Creek in mid-February; looking west.

INDOT's doing a great job documenting the construction of Section 6 with photos and videos. They can be found  here. (https://i69finishline.com/photos-videos/)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 08, 2021, 05:16:16 PM
I am absolutely amazed that they're working in these conditions. Amazed. I think I went outside four times total in the month of February.

(https://i.imgur.com/A2HyCU2.png)
On a side note, it's not every day you see eye floaters in a photograph. :-D

More seriously, is photography in such white conditions often problematic?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 08, 2021, 06:40:25 PM
With the snow and cold of February in the rearview mirror, construction is well underway at many points both in Martinsville, Indiana, and north along State Road 37 up to the SR 37/SR 144 intersection. Here's a few photos that I took Saturday, March 6, 2021.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County
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Construction of the bridge that will carry southbound I-69 over a "dry swale" just north of the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County; looking slightly northeast. For those whose knowledge of swales is limited, a swale is a depression in the ground that conveys stormwater by gravity. Swales are covered in vegetation like grass, so they differ from a small creek, which typically is an open gash in the ground. A dry swale is one that is dry most of the time, as opposed to a "wet swale" which is more of a wetland.

At the location pictured, there was a culvert installed that carried water from the swale underneath State Road 37. Although a culvert was good enough for a state level road, apparently interstate standards were not met, so new mainline bridges will be constructed over the swale instead.

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Another perspective of the construction of the new bridge over the dry swale; looking north.

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Looking slightly southeast from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County toward State Road 37. In the background, demo of the bridge that carried southbound SR 37 over Clear Creek. New mainline bridges will be built over the creek.

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Work is well underway on the replacement bridge that will carry the southbound lanes of I-69 over Stotts Creek; looking northeast. This is same location depicted in several I-69 Finish Line photos posted earlier. It seems a lot of time has passed, but it's only been three weeks. In the background is the White River, swollen because of melting snow and recent rains.

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Looking north from near the intersection of Old State Road 37 and Country Club Road toward State Road 37 and the work underway to construct the new southbound lanes of I-69. Although early evening was approaching, work to install white metal reflectors on the concrete barriers continued. Guess someone recently misjudged how close they were the barriers and got a little scratch. The road on the left is the recently completed extension of Old SR 37 south from Myra Lane.

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Another perspective. From this point, the way to State Road 37 is north on Old State Road 37, across the Egbert Road overpass, east on Egbert Road to the intersection with Henderson Ford Road, north on Henderson Ford Road to the traffic signal at SR 37.

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Looking south from near the the former SR 37/Myra Lane crossing. On the right is the extension of Old SR 37, which will be further extended south to Morgan Street. When that completes, the entire new stretch probably will be signed Morgan Street.

I'll put up a few more photos either later tonight or tomorrow.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on March 08, 2021, 06:42:23 PM
Will they be starting on the flyovers this year?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 09, 2021, 12:10:48 AM
Quote from: ITB on March 08, 2021, 06:40:25 PM
With the snow and cold of February in the rearview mirror, construction is well underway at many points both in Martinsville, Indiana, and north along State Road 37 up to the SR 37/SR 144 intersection. Here's a few photos that I took Saturday, March 6, 2021.


I see the snow is gone. Looks like some really warm weather moved in after February's deep freeze, yet the crews working on I-69 didn't miss a beat either. Snow and subzero temperatures, they kept right on going.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 09, 2021, 03:43:22 PM
A few more pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, March 6, 2021, unless otherwise identified.

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Looking slightly northeast from the Waverly Road overpass in northern Morgan County.

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The view looking west from the Waverly Road overpass.

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Looking east from the Perry Road overpass in Morgan County. In the background are the mainline bridges over Crooked Creek.

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The bridges over Crooked Creek; looking slightly southeast. These bridges either will be rehabilitated or repaired, depending on their condition.

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Beams are now in place for the bridges over the new channel of Sartor Ditch in Martinsville; looking northwest. The water in the channel is rainwater that has collected, as Sartor Ditch has yet to connected to the new channel.

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Taking the shortcut home. Walsh Construction security has noticed and is coming down for a look-see (note the vehicle and dust under the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass). Looking slightly northwest from near the former State Road 37/Industrial Drive crossing in Martinsville.

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And, yes, only in Indiana will one find a billboard for the high school basketball team that won the state championship 60 years ago. Kokomo, Indiana, is located about 80 miles to the north. Wouldn't be surprised to learn the owner of the billboard firm played on that team. From the Waverly Road overpass in Morgan County; looking east.

Edit: The advertisement is for a billboard company and several were put up around Indiana to demonstrate the effectiveness of billboard advertising.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 09, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
The Kokomo billboard is actually an advertisement for the billboard company.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 09, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 09, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
The Kokomo billboard is actually an advertisement for the billboard company.

Indeed it is. Unusual, but apparently effective. I should have checked it out before making the comment. There have even been newspaper stories about this billboard advertising (link below).

Link: Kokomo Tribune newspaper article (https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/billboard-mystery-signs-touting-kokomos-61-championship-puzzle-drivers/article_597e6f64-574c-11eb-90d7-bba4d7cd6ea7.html)



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 09, 2021, 04:44:13 PM

A few more pictures to wrap up. Photos were taken Sunday, March 7, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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The recently installed beams of the bridge that will carry southbound I-69 over the new channel of Sartor Ditch in Martinsville; looking north.

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A bent foundation at the State Road 44 work zone in Martinsville; looking south. At this location, an overpass will carry SR 44 over I-69.

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The eastern abutment of the future overpass that will carry SR 44 over I-69; looking south.

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Link-Belt crane and dozer at the State Road 44 work zone; looking southeast.

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Another perspective looking south toward Martinsville from the SR 44 work zone.

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Lined up and ready to go come Monday morning at the work zone near State Road 44; looking north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on March 11, 2021, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 09, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 09, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
The Kokomo billboard is actually an advertisement for the billboard company.

Indeed it is. Unusual, but apparently effective. I should have checked it out before making the comment. There have even been newspaper stories about this billboard advertising (link below).

Link: Kokomo Tribune newspaper article (https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/billboard-mystery-signs-touting-kokomos-61-championship-puzzle-drivers/article_597e6f64-574c-11eb-90d7-bba4d7cd6ea7.html)
Thanks for the info on the Kokomo High School billboards. I had noticed one of them recently on I-74 on the way to Cincinnati. They caused some puzzlement to my daughter and me, since Kokomo and that championship are both so far away. She'll appreciate knowing the real story since she has a background in advertising.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 12, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: theline on March 11, 2021, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 09, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 09, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
The Kokomo billboard is actually an advertisement for the billboard company.

Indeed it is. Unusual, but apparently effective. I should have checked it out before making the comment. There have even been newspaper stories about this billboard advertising (link below).

Link: Kokomo Tribune newspaper article (https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/billboard-mystery-signs-touting-kokomos-61-championship-puzzle-drivers/article_597e6f64-574c-11eb-90d7-bba4d7cd6ea7.html)
Thanks for the info on the Kokomo High School billboards. I had noticed one of them recently on I-74 on the way to Cincinnati. They caused some puzzlement to my daughter and me, since Kokomo and that championship are both so far away. She'll appreciate knowing the real story since she has a background in advertising.
I can see it already: billboards in Chicagoland advertising one of the Bulls' six NBA championships! And this year marks two anniversaries for them, with the first being the 30th anniversary of their first-ever championship, and the second being the 25th of their historic 72-10 season.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on March 12, 2021, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: Henry on March 12, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: theline on March 11, 2021, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 09, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 09, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
The Kokomo billboard is actually an advertisement for the billboard company.

Indeed it is. Unusual, but apparently effective. I should have checked it out before making the comment. There have even been newspaper stories about this billboard advertising (link below).

Link: Kokomo Tribune newspaper article (https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/billboard-mystery-signs-touting-kokomos-61-championship-puzzle-drivers/article_597e6f64-574c-11eb-90d7-bba4d7cd6ea7.html)
Thanks for the info on the Kokomo High School billboards. I had noticed one of them recently on I-74 on the way to Cincinnati. They caused some puzzlement to my daughter and me, since Kokomo and that championship are both so far away. She'll appreciate knowing the real story since she has a background in advertising.
I can see it already: billboards in Chicagoland advertising one of the Bulls' six NBA championships! And this year marks two anniversaries for them, with the first being the 30th anniversary of their first-ever championship, and the second being the 25th of their historic 72-10 season.

"It didn't mean a thing, unless they won the ring"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on March 12, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 12, 2021, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: Henry on March 12, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: theline on March 11, 2021, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 09, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 09, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
The Kokomo billboard is actually an advertisement for the billboard company.

Indeed it is. Unusual, but apparently effective. I should have checked it out before making the comment. There have even been newspaper stories about this billboard advertising (link below).

Link: Kokomo Tribune newspaper article (https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/billboard-mystery-signs-touting-kokomos-61-championship-puzzle-drivers/article_597e6f64-574c-11eb-90d7-bba4d7cd6ea7.html)
Thanks for the info on the Kokomo High School billboards. I had noticed one of them recently on I-74 on the way to Cincinnati. They caused some puzzlement to my daughter and me, since Kokomo and that championship are both so far away. She'll appreciate knowing the real story since she has a background in advertising.
I can see it already: billboards in Chicagoland advertising one of the Bulls' six NBA championships! And this year marks two anniversaries for them, with the first being the 30th anniversary of their first-ever championship, and the second being the 25th of their historic 72-10 season.

"It didn't mean a thing, unless they won the ring"


(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_684,h_387,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/5b9be4c942fc33c9ae000015.png)

Reminds me of this in Columbus, OH.

QuoteThere are very few things that bring people together like college sports, and there are even fewer things that bring people together like hating on Ohio State football.
Luckily for a group of TCU fans, those two things came together in 2011 when they decided to troll the entirety of Columbus, Ohio, with a series of billboards congratulating TCU on their Rose Bowl victory over Wisconsin.
The desire to take a shot at Ohio State comes from earlier in the season when then-Ohio State president Gorden Gee said that TCU didn't deserve to make the BCS Championship game because they had only played the "Little Sisters of the Poor." Well, TCU would go on to be undefeated that season and defeat Wisconsin, the only team Ohio State lost to in 2010, in the Rose Bowl.
https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/6170872-tcu-alumni-take-credit-for-2011-ohio-state-billboard-prank-before-week-3-showdown
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 13, 2021, 12:12:30 PM
I look forward to the day when all of Interstate 69 from Evansville to Indianapolis is completed (said to happen in 2024). It was not easy to make this route a reality, given the history of what it took to ultimately build the new alignment (Evansville to Bloomington) and upgrading existing SR 37 (Bloomington to Indianapolis).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 13, 2021, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 13, 2021, 12:12:30 PM
I look forward to the day when all of Interstate 69 from Evansville to Indianapolis is completed (said to happen in 2024). It was not easy to make this route a reality, given the history of what it took to ultimately build the new alignment (Evansville to Bloomington) and upgrading existing SR 37 (Bloomington to Indianapolis).
The hardest part was finding the money to get it built. It's a lot easier to overcome any opposition to the route when you have the money in hand to pay for it. I know a lot of people criticized the state government for using the Indiana Toll Road as a cash cow to fund highway projects in other parts of the state, but IMO that decision has definitely paid dividends for not only I-69, but for a lot of other big-ticket road projects that were sitting on the back burner waiting for someone to write the check.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 25, 2021, 04:50:27 AM
Just wondering, anyone know where I can find the signage plans for Section 6? I've tried looking on the I-69 Finish Line page to no avail.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on March 29, 2021, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 25, 2021, 04:50:27 AM
Just wondering, anyone know where I can find the signage plans for Section 6? I've tried looking on the I-69 Finish Line page to no avail.

Wikipedia has the exit number all the way to 465
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on March 29, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
Does that mean we don't know if I-69 will bypass Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 29, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on March 29, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
Does that mean we don't know if I-69 will bypass Indianapolis?

INDOT has made no official announcement on how I-69 will be routed through/around Indianapolis, but it is widely speculated that it will follow I-465 around the south and east sides to connect with the existing I-69 on the northeast side of Indy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on March 29, 2021, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 29, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on March 29, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
Does that mean we don't know if I-69 will bypass Indianapolis?

INDOT has made no official announcement on how I-69 will be routed through/around Indianapolis, but it is widely speculated that it will follow I-465 around the south and east sides to connect with the existing I-69 on the northeast side of Indy.

INDOT's plans for the I-465/I-69 interchange (https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Clear%20Path%20Presentation%20Oct2020.pdf) have I-69 following I-465 south (page 24). Additionally, I remember a rendering video posted on this forum that showed the overhead displays for an I-69/465 concurrency.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 29, 2021, 09:31:02 PM
there is absolutely 0 chance it doesn't go around the south and east sides of indy. it will never go inside the loop and it makes no sense for it to go around the west side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2021, 09:51:15 PM
I don't see how Interstate 69 could be constructed through the city of Indianapolis. Heck, even Interstate 74 wasn't constructed through the city. Routing 69 on the 465 beltway is likely the only possible option.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 29, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2021, 09:51:15 PM
I don't see how Interstate 69 could be constructed through the city of Indianapolis. Heck, even Interstate 74 wasn't constructed through the city. Routing 69 on the 465 beltway is likely the only possible option.
Indot never considered any other path. I don't know why it keeps coming up. The only time 69 was proposed inside 465 was when they originally built the interstates in the 60s and 70s

Pixel 5

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 29, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
The only time 69 was proposed inside 465 was when they originally built the interstates in the 60s and 70s

Pixel 5

Which is why there are the ghost ramps at the I-65/I-70 North Split. I-69 was originally planned to follow Binford Boulevard and Fall Creek Parkway to the North Split. That section of highway was torpedoed by community opposition.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on March 30, 2021, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 29, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
The only time 69 was proposed inside 465 was when they originally built the interstates in the 60s and 70s

Pixel 5

Which is why there are the ghost ramps at the I-65/I-70 North Split. I-69 was originally planned to follow Binford Boulevard and Fall Creek Parkway to the North Split. That section of highway was torpedoed by community opposition.

And of course that plan predates the southern extension proposal, as the I-65/70 North Split would've been the southern terminus of I-69. Was there ever an independent proposal for an SR 37 expressway into downtown from the south?

I did always find it weird that I-74 was never even proposed inside I-465, considering that both ends were originally built with the roadway continuing inside the beltway but feeding into surface roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 30, 2021, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2021, 09:51:15 PM
I don't see how Interstate 69 could be constructed through the city of Indianapolis. Heck, even Interstate 74 wasn't constructed through the city. Routing 69 on the 465 beltway is likely the only possible option.
It could always be constructed, but no one wants to spend the money or political capital to do so, and it would take a heck of a lot of both to buy all that land/properties and put a new in-town expressway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Oh that's going to be a fine mess when they close the North Split. Get ready for Carmageddon, Hoosier-style!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on March 30, 2021, 12:53:36 PM
How many times has that stretch from north split to south split been closed the last 20 years?

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 01:06:18 PM
the last time was the south split and before that was hyperfix, neither touched the north split itself. This project completely rebuilds the interchange, removes the ghost ramps, significantly shrinks the area of the interchange and flips how NB 65 and EB 70 leave at the interchange. 300 trees will be planted, new walking paths will be installed and some movements will be removed permanently. the limits are Delaware St. on the west, Valley Ave. on the east, and Fletcher Ave. in the south. once done it will be nicer safer and be able to handle more traffic!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on March 30, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Oh that's going to be a fine mess when they close the North Split. Get ready for Carmageddon, Hoosier-style!
Probably going to be twice as bad as Birmingham was, but Birmingham fared okay for the most part. Thankfully this is not Atlanta, and thankfully I-465 does its job well enough that the only issues I ever have are when 4 lanes are closed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: I-55 on March 30, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Oh that's going to be a fine mess when they close the North Split. Get ready for Carmageddon, Hoosier-style!
Probably going to be twice as bad as Birmingham was, but Birmingham fared okay for the most part. Thankfully this is not Atlanta, and thankfully I-465 does its job well enough that the only issues I ever have are when 4 lanes are closed.

But the problem with the timing of the North Split project is it'll be going on right at the time when they'll be working on the south leg of I-465 and the connection to I-69 South. And they're looking at reconstructing the I-465/I-69 North interchange as well, but I don't know when they'll be starting on that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: I-55 on March 30, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Oh that's going to be a fine mess when they close the North Split. Get ready for Carmageddon, Hoosier-style!
Probably going to be twice as bad as Birmingham was, but Birmingham fared okay for the most part. Thankfully this is not Atlanta, and thankfully I-465 does its job well enough that the only issues I ever have are when 4 lanes are closed.

But the problem with the timing of the North Split project is it'll be going on right at the time when they'll be working on the south leg of I-465 and the connection to I-69 South. And they're looking at reconstructing the I-465/I-69 North interchange as well, but I don't know when they'll be starting on that.

INDOT is phasing it in such a way that they don't overlap much. North Split is in such bad shape it needs to go first. 465/69 NE won't start until like 23 i think, it's going last.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 31, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
They've been clearing a lot of trees along 37, from 465 down to 144. Seems like construction on that segment is going to commence pretty shortly, and big traffic backups will come too I'm sure.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 31, 2021, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 31, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
They've been clearing a lot of trees along 37, from 465 down to 144. Seems like construction on that segment is going to commence pretty shortly, and big traffic backups will come too I'm sure.

I think off line improvements are being made now (side roads and overpasses).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 31, 2021, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on March 30, 2021, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 29, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
The only time 69 was proposed inside 465 was when they originally built the interstates in the 60s and 70s

Pixel 5

Which is why there are the ghost ramps at the I-65/I-70 North Split. I-69 was originally planned to follow Binford Boulevard and Fall Creek Parkway to the North Split. That section of highway was torpedoed by community opposition.

And of course that plan predates the southern extension proposal, as the I-65/70 North Split would've been the southern terminus of I-69. Was there ever an independent proposal for an SR 37 expressway into downtown from the south?

I did always find it weird that I-74 was never even proposed inside I-465, considering that both ends were originally built with the roadway continuing inside the beltway but feeding into surface roads.
Yes, I'll bet that even if I-74 had been proposed through the city, it would've faced the same opposition that killed off the original I-69 southern extension and many other urban freeways in the nation. Thankfully, I-465 was already available for an alignment, and the only one that made sense at the time.

Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: I-55 on March 30, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Oh that's going to be a fine mess when they close the North Split. Get ready for Carmageddon, Hoosier-style!
Probably going to be twice as bad as Birmingham was, but Birmingham fared okay for the most part. Thankfully this is not Atlanta, and thankfully I-465 does its job well enough that the only issues I ever have are when 4 lanes are closed.

But the problem with the timing of the North Split project is it'll be going on right at the time when they'll be working on the south leg of I-465 and the connection to I-69 South. And they're looking at reconstructing the I-465/I-69 North interchange as well, but I don't know when they'll be starting on that.

INDOT is phasing it in such a way that they don't overlap much. North Split is in such bad shape it needs to go first. 465/69 NE won't start until like 23 i think, it's going last.
Better to do it in shifts than at once, right? Hopefully the situation will not be as serious as it may be, especially if the overlapping is minimized.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 03, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: I-55 on March 30, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 30, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
there was a harding st expressway proposed as SR 37 but that never went anywhere. The new north split project will remove these ghost ramps. The whole interchange will close for 18 months in May!
Oh that's going to be a fine mess when they close the North Split. Get ready for Carmageddon, Hoosier-style!
Probably going to be twice as bad as Birmingham was, but Birmingham fared okay for the most part. Thankfully this is not Atlanta, and thankfully I-465 does its job well enough that the only issues I ever have are when 4 lanes are closed.

But the problem with the timing of the North Split project is it'll be going on right at the time when they'll be working on the south leg of I-465 and the connection to I-69 South. And they're looking at reconstructing the I-465/I-69 North interchange as well, but I don't know when they'll be starting on that.

INDOT is phasing it in such a way that they don't overlap much. North Split is in such bad shape it needs to go first. 465/69 NE won't start until like 23 i think, it's going last.
From INDOT's Clear Path 465 website (which includes I-69 & Binford Blvd from just south of 75th Street to about 86th Street):
"Anticipated project construction: 2022-2024".

A FONSI was issued for the project on January 15, 2021, according to the website.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 08, 2021, 03:47:29 PM

Picture update. Photos were taken Sunday, April 4, 2021.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 6, Morgan County


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Looking north toward construction of the future I-69/State Road 252-Hospital Drive interchange in Martinsville, Indiana. SR 252-Hospital Dr. will go under I-69. At the crest of the hill, where work continues on the I-69/SR 44 interchange, an overpass will carry SR 44 over the mainline.

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Closer look. It appears the mainline is going to be realigned slightly west at this location.

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The view looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. In the background are the new mainline bridges over realigned Sartor Ditch.

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Construction of the southbound mainline bridge over the dry swale just north of the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County; looking northwest.

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Closer look of the above bridge construction; looking north.

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Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass. In the background, construction continues on the bridge that will carry the southbound mainline over Clear Creek.

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Another perspective looking southeast from the Egbert Road overpass.

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Looking northeast from the southern roundabout of the future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange in Morgan County.

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Future ramp to I-69 northbound at the Henderson Ford Road interchange. On the right is the recently completely extension of New Harmony Road.

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The Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking north.

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Signage just south of the future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange; looking slightly northeast. Appears the newly constructed local access from the interchange south to Egbert Road will be signed Henderson Ford Road.

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Equipment lined up and ready to rumble at the Henderson Ford Road work zone; looking east.

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Box culvert construction just west of the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking northwest. Note the old double tube culvert.

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Another perspective of the box culvert work; looking southwest. Perspective is from where the future ramp to southbound I-69 will be located.

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Broad perspective looking east from the Henderson Ford Road interchange southern roundabout.

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Another look at the State Road 252-Hospital Drive work zone in Martinsville; looking north.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on April 09, 2021, 11:00:15 AM
Thanks, ITB

Making good progress and we are just now entering the serious construction season!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 10, 2021, 11:36:59 AM

Here's a drawing that depicts the long box culvert now under construction at the future Henderson Ford Road interchange in Morgan County.

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Courtesy INDOT
The future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange in Morgan County.

And a recent construction picture.

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Looking west from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. Photo was taken April 4, 2021.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 20, 2021, 03:16:05 PM
https://www.i69finishline.com/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 21, 2021, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on April 20, 2021, 03:16:05 PM
https://www.i69finishline.com/

I like the updated site. It looks a lot different from what they had on there last month. I found the Corridor Highlights Map (https://www.i69finishline.com/maps/#corridor-highlights-maps) page pretty informative.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 27, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
A few pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, April 25, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project, Section 6, Morgan County

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Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County. Beams are now in place for the bridge that will carry the southbound lanes over Clear Creek, about three miles north of Martinsville. Adhering to the 45 mph speed limit was the Amazon delivery van, probably to the consternation of a few others.

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The perspective from the other direction; looking north toward the Egbert Road overpass.

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Construction continues on the southbound mainline bridge over the dry swale just north of the Egbert Road overpass; looking north. Beams are expected to be placed soon.

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Looking south from near the former State Road 37/Myra Lane crossing, just north of Martinsville. In the background, construction has commenced on the Teeters Road overpass. On the right, the second phase of the Morgan Street extension is underway.

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The Teeters Road overpass work zone; looking north. Forms encase the median bent (expand the photo), so the concrete pours appear imminent.

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Near the Teeters Road work zone; looking south. In the background is where State Road 37 is sealed off at its northern point for construction of the Martinsville segment. The road pictured is Twin Branch Road, one the new, recently completed frontage roads.

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The abutments and median bent of the overpass that will carry State Road 44 over I-69, just on the outskirts of Martinsville; looking east. Beam placement should occur in the not too distant future, probably in early May.

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Median bent of the State Road 44 overpass; looking slightly southeast.

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The State Road 44 construction zone just north of the future overpass; looking north.

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Equipment at the SR 44 work zone.

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Last one. Another look at the bridge construction at Clear Creek, north of Martinsville; looking south.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 27, 2021, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 27, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51140168424_9412d56d41_k.jpg)
Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County. Beams are now in place for the bridge that will carry the southbound lanes over Clear Creek, about three miles north of Martinsville. Adhering to the 45 mph speed limit was the Amazon delivery van, probably to the consternation of a few others.

I found myself behind an Amazon van on that same stretch a few weeks ago driving through the zone and we had to follow it all the way past 144. I could have very well been the same driver.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on April 27, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 27, 2021, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 27, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51140168424_9412d56d41_k.jpg)
Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County. Beams are now in place for the bridge that will carry the southbound lanes over Clear Creek, about three miles north of Martinsville. Adhering to the 45 mph speed limit was the Amazon delivery van, probably to the consternation of a few others.

I found myself behind an Amazon van on that same stretch a few weeks ago driving through the zone and we had to follow it all the way past 144. I could have very well been the same driver.

Amazon vans are always driving the way we don't want them to.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on April 27, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 10, 2021, 11:36:59 AM

Here's a drawing that depicts the long box culvert now under construction at the future Henderson Ford Road interchange in Morgan County.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51108010455_8f4d50ed89_o.png)
Courtesy INDOT
The future I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange in Morgan County.

And a recent construction picture.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51095813056_ab97f35c94_k.jpg)
Looking west from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. Photo was taken April 4, 2021.
Something I noticed, INDOT seems to LOVE dogbone interchanges in recent years. Think there were at least 4 in a row on US 31 and Keystone Pkwy in Carmel when I was there a month ago. Not that it's a bad thing, I think dogbone interchanges are great in certain conditions; eliminates the need for a traffic signal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 28, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 27, 2021, 10:21:46 PMSomething I noticed, INDOT seems to LOVE dogbone interchanges in recent years. Think there were at least 4 in a row on US 31 and Keystone Pkwy in Carmel when I was there a month ago. Not that it's a bad thing, I think dogbone interchanges are great in certain conditions; eliminates the need for a traffic signal.

Hamilton County, IN (especially the City of Carmel) is the Roundabout Capitol of the World. You can literally get dizzy driving around "dem dogbones" and the other circular intersections there!

And yes, INDOT has recently made such interchanges the preferred type for new freeway construction in the state, as well as for complete rebuilds of older diamonds.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 28, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on April 28, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 27, 2021, 10:21:46 PMSomething I noticed, INDOT seems to LOVE dogbone interchanges in recent years. Think there were at least 4 in a row on US 31 and Keystone Pkwy in Carmel when I was there a month ago. Not that it's a bad thing, I think dogbone interchanges are great in certain conditions; eliminates the need for a traffic signal.

Hamilton County, IN (especially the City of Carmel) is the Roundabout Capitol of the World. You can literally get dizzy driving around "dem dogbones" and the other circular intersections there!

And yes, INDOT has recently made such interchanges the preferred type for new freeway construction in the state, as well as for complete rebuilds of older diamonds.

yes alternative intersections are the preferred consideration for INDOT now. they tend to be safer. And Carmel has the most in the US at 127+
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on April 28, 2021, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 28, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on April 28, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 27, 2021, 10:21:46 PMSomething I noticed, INDOT seems to LOVE dogbone interchanges in recent years. Think there were at least 4 in a row on US 31 and Keystone Pkwy in Carmel when I was there a month ago. Not that it's a bad thing, I think dogbone interchanges are great in certain conditions; eliminates the need for a traffic signal.

Hamilton County, IN (especially the City of Carmel) is the Roundabout Capitol of the World. You can literally get dizzy driving around "dem dogbones" and the other circular intersections there!

And yes, INDOT has recently made such interchanges the preferred type for new freeway construction in the state, as well as for complete rebuilds of older diamonds.

yes alternative intersections are the preferred consideration for INDOT now. they tend to be safer. And Carmel has the most in the US at 127+

Man, that is a lot for one city lol, but I guess if it works for them, more power to them. I found this map (https://www.carmel.in.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/18749/637532586841270000) on the city site. Up to 138 now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 30, 2021, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/
Debatable... it was still on the I-64 corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 30, 2021, 05:26:29 PM
Does anyone know why this bit of the pier has a different color than the rest?

(https://i.imgur.com/yG62veK.png)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 30, 2021, 05:45:16 PM
^^^
It's just the lining of the form that has adhered to the concrete. It will be pulled off. To the left, there's a small section of the same material, which, also, will be removed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 30, 2021, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 30, 2021, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/
Debatable... it was still on the I-64 corridor.

Yes, the facility is on the I-64 corridor. But, now, there's a north-south corridor, too, that being I-69. Seems to me, without a doubt, the extension of I-69 in Indiana was a meaningful contributing factor in Toyota's decision to expand at Princeton.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: OCGuy81 on April 30, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 30, 2021, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/
Debatable... it was still on the I-64 corridor.

Yes, the facility is on the I-64 corridor. But, now, there's a north-south corridor, too, that being I-69. Seems to me, without a doubt, the extension of I-69 in Indiana was a meaningful contributing factor in Toyota's decision to expand at Princeton.


I think the argument that interstates bring jobs is true....to a degree.  I look at Wisconsin where both I-39 and I-41 were blue shields slapped up on existing freeways and don't appear to have changed much.

With this, however, being new construction and automobile assembly being the new business, it makes sense an interstate, which provides access to easy transportation, could've been a factor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on April 30, 2021, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 30, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 30, 2021, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/
Debatable... it was still on the I-64 corridor.

Yes, the facility is on the I-64 corridor. But, now, there's a north-south corridor, too, that being I-69. Seems to me, without a doubt, the extension of I-69 in Indiana was a meaningful contributing factor in Toyota's decision to expand at Princeton.


I think the argument that interstates bring jobs is true....to a degree.  I look at Wisconsin where both I-39 and I-41 were blue shields slapped up on existing freeways and don't appear to have changed much.

With this, however, being new construction and automobile assembly being the new business, it makes sense an interstate, which provides access to easy transportation, could've been a factor.

It's true that the interstate-job relationship is more complicated than simple causation.
There several inputs, notably:

Location - Being close to population centers for labor and consumers.

Location - Being in close proximity to resources (raw materials and/or intermediate goods).

and Location - having the appropriate space for what you're trying to accomplish (Walt Disney World wanted a lot of land so they could expand, whereas your local ice cream shop only needs a small lot)

If you're not near these things, an interstate designation probably won't mean as much as if that location doesn't have land, capital, labor, and consumers. Which leads to output factors:

Industry - what's going to develop off the interstate, dependent of the factors above.

Magnitude - Is it going to be big, small, or somewhere in the middle? dependent of the factors above and more.

Structure - Local business or major corporation? Corporations often have a more organized supply structure that they pull from, meaning they would want to be in closer proximity to it, whereas local businesses have more flexibility to get their capital from local suppliers.

Is there more that goes into this? Yes. Is this a simple explanation? Yes. Am I an expert in economics? I aced the class in high school, but I'm not an "expert." Does it make sense? yeah.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on April 30, 2021, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/

There's no evidence of the impact of I-69. The plant isn't on the new interstate, or even really near it. When the plants were constructed in the early 1990s, I-69 had already been discussed for a decade or so, but it was still almost twenty years until construction started. It was clear at that time Princeton won the plant because of I-64 (as well as big state incentives, and industrial losses in the Evansville area), a direct path east to the Georgetown plant, and many other parts plants along 64. There are no other Toyota plants I know of along I-69 that would attract investment along that route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 01, 2021, 12:08:43 AM
Quote from: westerninterloper on April 30, 2021, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 30, 2021, 03:30:02 PM

Earlier this week Toyota announced a major expansion of its plant in Princeton, Indiana, creating 1,400 jobs. It's doubtful this would have happened if I-69 had not been built from Evansville to Indianapolis.

Link: https://www.wishtv.com/news/indiana-news/toyota-indiana-adding-1400-jobs-with-multimillion-dollar-investment/

There's no evidence of the impact of I-69. The plant isn't on the new interstate, or even really near it. When the plants were constructed in the early 1990s, I-69 had already been discussed for a decade or so, but it was still almost twenty years until construction started. It was clear at that time Princeton won the plant because of I-64 (as well as big state incentives, and industrial losses in the Evansville area), a direct path east to the Georgetown plant, and many other parts plants along 64. There are no other Toyota plants I know of along I-69 that would attract investment along that route.

I'm not saying I-69 was the deciding factor in Toyota's decision to expand at Princeton. But, clearly, having quick access to a north-south interstate was a consideration that may have moved the needle. And, although, the plant isn't directly adjacent to an interstate, it's just 5–7 minutes from either I-64 or I-69. Doesn't get much better than that.

Would Toyota have originally invested in the Princeton plant if I-64 didn't exist? Don't think so. Roads do matter. Quality infrastructure does matter. We'll probably never know whether the new investment would have moved forward if I-69 wasn't built. But it was. And it's a big plus for potential economic development in southwest Indiana.

To be sure, it's debatable whether better roads and infrastructure directly correlate to more economic investment. Generally, however, with quality roads and good infrastructure in place, the pluses tend to add up. And, when it comes to attracting economic development, the more pluses a locale can put forward, the better. It's just common sense.

By the way, in Bloomington, Cook Medical, a medical device manufacturer, announced yesterday it was looking for another 300 employees, after hiring 300 earlier. A couple years back, Cook acquired the former GE refrigerator factory in Bloomington, which closed after GE sold its appliance division. Cook Medical now employs about 5,000 in Monroe County. Was I-69 a major factor in Cook Medical's decision to expand its workforce? Highly doubtful. But with Bloomington now on the interstate grid, it's a plus. And a plus is a plus, however small.

Links: https://www.hoosiertimes.com/herald_times_online/news/local/cook-medical-hiring-300-boosts-minimum-wage/article_33535326-a9c3-11eb-8764-5397ea6eb947.html#tncms-source=login

Because the article's behind a paywall, here's a fair-use section:

QuoteCook Medical saw its orders cut in half in the early part of the pandemic, but President Pete Yonkman said business this month is back to normal.

The company is hiring 300 workers and also is boosting its minimum wage for hourly employees starting Sunday. Some other employees will get one-time bonuses.

Cook, which is privately held and based in Bloomington, makes medical products, including injection needles, catheters and stents. Its products are also used in medical devices such as endoscopes, which are flexible tubes with a camera. The company provides products for specialities including gynecology, urology and gastroenterology.

...

To accommodate the rising demand for products, the company hired 300 people over the past year and is seeking to hire 300 more. The company’s job portal, cookmedical.com/careers, lists jobs openings in Bloomington for more than 60 types of jobs, ranging from assembly to engineering and French-speaking customer support coordinator.

Edit: Grammar, readability, and a minor correction for accuracy.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 01, 2021, 12:39:55 PM
The discussion for I-69 started long before construction started, and there were two sets of studies done in the years before construction began (thank you environmentalists).  I have talked with several people that have worked in the office at Toyota that indicate that the fact that the road was coming was a factor (how much is another thing).  I also understand that the site had previously been submitted and reviewed by Toyota when Georgetown, KY was selected.  Georgetown has north/south interstate access, but of course is within an hour or so of Cincinnati and Louisville and in the backyard of Lexington.  Definitely a tipping point over Evansville/Henderson/Owensboro/Vincennes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 01, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
Interstate highways do attract jobs.

They may not be always big and sexy like a corporate HQ or an Amazon/WalMart distribution center.

I have done research on what the opening of a simple Taco Bell near a small town exit did and believe me it does help.

The biggest impact (even at the Taco Bell level) was it cut down on the amount of travel rural employees have to drive to reach a reasonable non-farm income.

The next big impact was the sales tax revenue the local municipality got along with the rural school district. One school was able to afford computers for the first time.

To some of us, these things look trivial and remote.

When a truck stop opens, it is a municipality bonanza...especially out in the middle of nowhere.

So when you see these small gas station, fast food, Subway/Dairy Queen combos pop up on these small town exits, they do make a difference.

And when they fail, (and many do) it does have an impact that can be felt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 01, 2021, 10:11:39 PM
In Bloomington, the west side industrial areas predate what is now I-69, and was the IN 37 bypass, by many years.  The road was opened in 1972, but the original westside companies (GE, Otis Elevator, et al) were there since the 1950s, if not earlier. 

Only south-siders RCA and Sarkes Tarzian, and the near-downtown Showers Brothers furniture factory, weren't located there, at least of the major manufacturing facilities in Bloomington.  Of course, they're all gone now, too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 01, 2021, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 01, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
I have done research on what the opening of a simple Taco Bell near a small town exit did and believe me it does help.
Did it increase the amount of drivers getting off at the following exit or rest area so they can use the bathroom after eating the food?  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PM
I look the long way from Chicagoland to Louisville down I-69/SR-37. Future I-69 thru Martinsville is coming along nicely. I noticed the two sign bridges over the future nb I-69 lanes are in place. The nb lanes south of Martinsville could be done by Summer? Even I-465 near the Harding St. exit has much of the land cleared for the future interchange.

Two things that bug me; INDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on. Also, with no rest area on the southern section of I-69 the Country Mart is making a killing. I am surprised BP, Mobil, Shell or another gas station has not setup a gas station/truck stop somewhere between exits 62-27. Such a place could serve as a "rest area", like the station at Crane does now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 02, 2021, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PM
Two things that bug me; INDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on.
Maybe they're waiting for its completion and sign Indianapolis as the NB control city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 02, 2021, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 02, 2021, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PM
Two things that bug me; INDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on.
Maybe they're waiting for its completion and sign Indianapolis as the NB control city.
I believe they are, but I don't know why they don't just sign Indianapolis now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 02, 2021, 09:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PMINDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on.

They're waiting for I-69 to be finished all the way to I-465. It's more cost efficient for INDOT to place "Indianapolis"  in the blank field after everything is said and done, versus placing a temporary control ("Bloomington"  being the obvious choice) then going back and replacing it with "Indianapolis"  later. INDOT doesn't have the same signing philosophy that IDOT next door has (placing secondary control cities along minor, less traveled interchanges), so that's why they're staying blank for a few years more.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 02, 2021, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 02, 2021, 09:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PMINDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on.

They’re waiting for I-69 to be finished all the way to I-465. It’s more cost efficient for INDOT to place “Indianapolis” in the blank field after everything is said and done, versus placing a temporary control (“Bloomington” being the obvious choice) then going back and replacing it with “Indianapolis” later. INDOT doesn’t have the same signing philosophy that IDOT next door has (placing secondary control cities along minor, less traveled interchanges), so that’s why they’re staying blank for a few years more.

But I don't see why they can't put Indianapolis on the signs now. Why would there be a need for temporary control cities? The road, barring a temporary detour through Martinsville, already goes there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 02, 2021, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 02, 2021, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 02, 2021, 09:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PMINDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on.

They're waiting for I-69 to be finished all the way to I-465. It's more cost efficient for INDOT to place "Indianapolis"  in the blank field after everything is said and done, versus placing a temporary control ("Bloomington"  being the obvious choice) then going back and replacing it with "Indianapolis"  later. INDOT doesn't have the same signing philosophy that IDOT next door has (placing secondary control cities along minor, less traveled interchanges), so that's why they're staying blank for a few years more.

But I don't see why they can't put Indianapolis on the signs now. Why would there be a need for temporary control cities? The road, barring a temporary detour through Martinsville, already goes there.

You're not wrong. I'm just trying to get the pulse of INDOT thinking. Oftentimes, it's not easy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 02, 2021, 09:59:54 PM
Not just add the Indy NB Control...also install Distance/Destination Mileage signage NB as well, since the finalized routing to I-465 is now known
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 02, 2021, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 02, 2021, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 02, 2021, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 02, 2021, 09:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on May 02, 2021, 08:57:33 PMINDOT still has not signed a control city on northbound I-69 between Evansville & Bloomington. I don't know what they are waiting on.

They're waiting for I-69 to be finished all the way to I-465. It's more cost efficient for INDOT to place "Indianapolis"  in the blank field after everything is said and done, versus placing a temporary control ("Bloomington"  being the obvious choice) then going back and replacing it with "Indianapolis"  later. INDOT doesn't have the same signing philosophy that IDOT next door has (placing secondary control cities along minor, less traveled interchanges), so that's why they're staying blank for a few years more.

But I don't see why they can't put Indianapolis on the signs now. Why would there be a need for temporary control cities? The road, barring a temporary detour through Martinsville, already goes there.

You're not wrong. I'm just trying to get the pulse of INDOT thinking. Oftentimes, it's not easy.

Ah. That makes sense. INDOT, not so much.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on May 03, 2021, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 02, 2021, 09:59:54 PM
Not just add the Indy NB Control...also install Distance/Destination Mileage signage NB as well, since the finalized routing to I-465 is now known

Won't that distance change between "current state" and "final state"?  Would you have them post the "final" distance now, which is currently in error?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 03, 2021, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: GaryV on May 03, 2021, 08:28:44 AM
Won't that distance change between "current state" and "final state"?  Would you have them post the "final" distance now, which is currently in error?

Mileage signs along Section 5 from Bloomington north to Martinsville currently have the distance to Indianapolis on them, presumably it's final mileage. There's nothing stopping them from wanting to add more signs at this point. Alas I suppose this may not be the best year to have giant signs reading Indianapolis when you have the Martinsville closure going on. I'm sure INDOT would love to keep as many people off the interstate as possible. I can see the idea of waiting until it is finished. But the mileage signs could be done today without too many issues.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 03, 2021, 10:14:04 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 03, 2021, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: GaryV on May 03, 2021, 08:28:44 AM
Won't that distance change between "current state" and "final state"?  Would you have them post the "final" distance now, which is currently in error?

Mileage signs along Section 5 from Bloomington north to Martinsville currently have the distance to Indianapolis on them, presumably it's final mileage. There's nothing stopping them from wanting to add more signs at this point. Alas I suppose this may not be the best year to have giant signs reading Indianapolis when you have the Martinsville closure going on. I'm sure INDOT would love to keep as many people off the interstate as possible. I can see the idea of waiting until it is finished. But the mileage signs could be done today without too many issues.
Well, since I-69 is going back to Indianapolis anyway, there should be no reason not to put that on signs, especially since the highway it will replace (IN 37) also goes there. But I guess that waiting would be the smart thing to do, as construction rolls on.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy? 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 03, 2021, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy? 

Along the east/south legs of I-465
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.

Wow! That will be quite the multiplex.  You'll have Interstate 465,74,69; US 36,40 ; IN 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.

Wow! That will be quite the multiplex.  You'll have Interstate 465,74,69; US 36,40 ; IN 37.
Once you get past the east end of the I-74 concurrency, there would be I-465, I-69, US 31, US 36, US 40, US 52, US 421, IN 37, IN 67 on the 1 1/2 mile long stretch between the US 52 and US 40 interchanges. Think that's the most amount of routes concurrent on I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on May 03, 2021, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.

Wow! That will be quite the multiplex.  You'll have Interstate 465,74,69; US 36,40 ; IN 37.

Yes it will be. US31, US52, US421, and IN67 will also be multiplexed along various points of that 465 route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on May 03, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.

Wow! That will be quite the multiplex.  You'll have Interstate 465,74,69; US 36,40 ; IN 37.
Once you get past the east end of the I-74 concurrency, there would be I-465, I-69, US 31, US 36, US 40, US 52, US 421, IN 37, IN 67 on the 1 1/2 mile long stretch between the US 52 and US 40 interchanges. Think that's the most amount of routes concurrent on I-465.

IN-37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers, correct?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 03, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
For a change of pace and a little history. Shades of the upgrade of State Road 37 to I-69, but a hundred years ago.

In the early 1920s, nearly a dozen states and their respective counties, from Michigan to Florida, were hard at work endeavoring to make the Dixie Highway a useful, passable road for the automobile traveling public. It was no small task.

For those not familiar with the Dixie Highway, it was one of the first interstate road systems in the United States, connecting the upper Midwest to the South, particularly the state of Florida. It was not a single road, but a network, with eastern and western branches, and connector roads between the two. The western branch of the Highway went through Indiana, passing through Indianapolis, and thence south through Martinsville, Bloomington, Bedford and Paoli, where it shifted southeast to continue on to Louisville. The Dixie Highway was conceived in 1914 by Carl G. Fisher. By 1915, an association had formed to promote the road and construction commenced. In 1927, the highway was taken over by the federal government and substantial portions incorporated into the U.S. Route system, while other sections become state roads.

Here's a sampling from The Dixie Highway newsletter, which was published from 1915 to 1925:

The Dixie Highway newsletter
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Route map and mileage chart of the Dixie Highway. (Vol. 10, No. 7; August 1924)

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Road conditions of the Dixie Highway. (Vol. 10, No. 7; August 1924)

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Ninety-seven years ago, work was underway to improve the section between Indianapolis and Martinsville. (Vol. 10, No. 7; August 1924)

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Consternation and concern over the Highway's closure in Monroe County, Indiana, for road improvements. (Vol. 11, No. 4; April 1925)

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The Dixie Highway and bridge over Beanblossom Creek near Dolan in Monroe County, c. 1920. Note: photo is in the public domain.

All of the above material is in the public domain. For those interested in browsing other issues of The Dixie Highway, here's the link:

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/29628891.html

Edit: Changed the date of Dolan bridge photo from c. 1915 to 1920.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 06:14:35 PM
Quote from: I-55 on May 03, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.

Wow! That will be quite the multiplex.  You'll have Interstate 465,74,69; US 36,40 ; IN 37.
Once you get past the east end of the I-74 concurrency, there would be I-465, I-69, US 31, US 36, US 40, US 52, US 421, IN 37, IN 67 on the 1 1/2 mile long stretch between the US 52 and US 40 interchanges. Think that's the most amount of routes concurrent on I-465.

IN-37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers, correct?
I believe that is the plan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 03, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
For those not familiar with the Dixie Highway, it was one of the first interstate road systems in the United States, connecting the upper Midwest to the South, particularly the state of Florida. It was not a single road, but a network, with eastern and western branches, and connector roads between the two. The western branch of the Highway went through Indiana, passing through Indianapolis, and thence south through Martinsville, Bloomington, Bedford and Paoli, where it shifted southeast to continue on to Louisville.
This is new to me. I didn’t know that the Dixie Highway was a network of roads, and went through Indiana. Thought it was a single road from Florida to Michigan that is roughly paralleled by I-75 today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 03, 2021, 06:39:29 PM
Here's a another map of the Dixie Highway in Indiana:

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Dixie Highway road conditions and Midwest map (Vol. 11, No. 4; April 1925)

From the Michigan state line to New Albany, IN, near the Ohio River: 286.3 miles, of which 124.9 miles were pavement and 161.4 miles gravel. Ouch! And the wear and tear on the tires. Indeed, the way it was in 1925. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 03, 2021, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: I-55 on May 03, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 03, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Apologies, as I'm positive this has been asked, but how will INDOT route 69 through Indy?
It's widely speculated that I-69 will follow the south and east legs of I-465 around Indy, but INDOT has not yet made an official announcement of the route I-69 will take through/around Indy.

https://www.i69finishline.com/frequently-asked-questions/

QuoteBetween its north and south junctions with I-465, I-69 will run concurrent with the southeast leg of I-465. I-69 mile markers and exit numbers resume at 200 starting at the north junction with I-465 in Castleton.

Okay, well that's new. So I would take that as official word from INDOT that I-69 will be routed over the south and east legs of I-465.

Wow! That will be quite the multiplex.  You'll have Interstate 465,74,69; US 36,40 ; IN 37.
Once you get past the east end of the I-74 concurrency, there would be I-465, I-69, US 31, US 36, US 40, US 52, US 421, IN 37, IN 67 on the 1 1/2 mile long stretch between the US 52 and US 40 interchanges. Think that's the most amount of routes concurrent on I-465.

IN-37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers, correct?

Yes that appears to be so, 37 is missing from the sign plans.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 04, 2021, 06:54:22 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 03, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
For those not familiar with the Dixie Highway, it was one of the first interstate road systems in the United States, connecting the upper Midwest to the South, particularly the state of Florida. It was not a single road, but a network, with eastern and western branches, and connector roads between the two. The western branch of the Highway went through Indiana, passing through Indianapolis, and thence south through Martinsville, Bloomington, Bedford and Paoli, where it shifted southeast to continue on to Louisville.
This is new to me. I didn't know that the Dixie Highway was a network of roads, and went through Indiana. Thought it was a single road from Florida to Michigan that is roughly paralleled by I-75 today.

IN 933 north from Douglas Rd up to the state line is known as Dixie Way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 04, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 04, 2021, 06:54:22 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 03, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
For those not familiar with the Dixie Highway, it was one of the first interstate road systems in the United States, connecting the upper Midwest to the South, particularly the state of Florida. It was not a single road, but a network, with eastern and western branches, and connector roads between the two. The western branch of the Highway went through Indiana, passing through Indianapolis, and thence south through Martinsville, Bloomington, Bedford and Paoli, where it shifted southeast to continue on to Louisville.
This is new to me. I didn't know that the Dixie Highway was a network of roads, and went through Indiana. Thought it was a single road from Florida to Michigan that is roughly paralleled by I-75 today.

IN 933 north from Douglas Rd up to the state line is known as Dixie Way.
Yea that's one branch of it.
I only knew that US 25 (predecessor of I-75 in the Midwest) have the Dixie Hwy, Dixie Way, etc road name.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 05, 2021, 12:26:58 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 04, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 04, 2021, 06:54:22 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 03, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 03, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
For those not familiar with the Dixie Highway, it was one of the first interstate road systems in the United States, connecting the upper Midwest to the South, particularly the state of Florida. It was not a single road, but a network, with eastern and western branches, and connector roads between the two. The western branch of the Highway went through Indiana, passing through Indianapolis, and thence south through Martinsville, Bloomington, Bedford and Paoli, where it shifted southeast to continue on to Louisville.
This is new to me. I didn't know that the Dixie Highway was a network of roads, and went through Indiana. Thought it was a single road from Florida to Michigan that is roughly paralleled by I-75 today.

IN 933 north from Douglas Rd up to the state line is known as Dixie Way.
Yea that's one branch of it.
I only knew that US 25 (predecessor of I-75 in the Midwest) have the Dixie Hwy, Dixie Way, etc road name.

Unfortunately as roads went back in the early days, quite a few jurisdictions claimed to be along the Dixie Highway.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 09, 2021, 04:26:40 PM

Yesterday, as well as the day before, I drove up to Martinsville and points north for a look-see. There has been significant construction progress that is readily evident to the eye. Each of the southbound bridges that are either being replaced or rehabbed between State Road 144 and Martinsville now have beams in place. Paving has commenced, too, in the vicinity of Waverly, a little south of SR 144. All of the overpasses and interchanges in Martinsville are now under construction as well. Beams for the northbound bridge over Indian Creek south of Martinsville are expected to be placed next week.

Before I post some pictures, a few words about the detour. As expected, some significant backups are now occurring with the increased traffic of spring. On Friday afternoon, the northbound lanes of I-69 were nearly backed up to the Liberty Church Road interchange. It was slow crawl moving toward Morton Ave./SR 39, and it didn't ease up at all in Martinsville proper, and, if fact, it might have been even slower. Could be we'll be looking at a rough summer and fall as recreational traffic to Brown County and the lakes of Monroe County increases, and Indiana University fully reopens. To be sure, the detour is workable, but it's going to try the patience of many drivers. I strongly suggest being tanked up, as the detour can chew up a lot of time and fuel. For those who haven't planned, there are, fortunately, several service stations along Morton Avenue and SR 39 in Martinsville.

Let's go the pictures. I've took a bunch from several locations, so I'll post them piecemeal over the next few days. The first batch of photos were taken Friday, May 7, 2021, unless otherwise noted. To expand the pictures, Right Click, or whatever works best with your browser.

If you rather not wait to see the photos, check out my Flickr page here. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07)

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County
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Looking north toward the northern closure point of State Road 37 on the outskirts of Martinsville. Due to an unexpected rain cell, the work day has been called off, but it around 5 pm anyway.

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Closer look. The road on the right is Twin Branch Road, which currently has access points at both State Road 37 and State Road 44, just to the south. When I-69 completes, Twin Branch Road will deadend at a turnaround at the bottom of the hill (visible in the background).

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Construction of the I-69 mainline just north of Martinsville; looking south. In the background are the recently placed beams for the State Road 44 overpass.

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Another look south toward the SR 44 overpass.

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Looking west from the Waverly Road overpass in Morgan County toward State Road 37 and construction of the I-69's southbound roadway. Asphalt paving recently commenced in this area. As the rain began to fall, the paving operation (pictured in the deep background) was already wrapping up, with the rollers doing their final compression passes. The crew had obviously been given a heads up that rain was anticipated.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 10, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 09, 2021, 04:26:40 PM

..........As expected, some significant backups are now occurring with the increased traffic of spring. On Friday afternoon, the northbound lanes of I-69 were nearly backed up to the Liberty Church Road interchange. It was slow crawl moving toward Morton Ave./SR 39, and it didn't ease up at all in Martinsville proper, and, if fact, it might have been even slower. Could be we'll be looking at a rough summer and fall as recreational traffic to Brown County and the lakes of Monroe County increases, and Indiana University fully reopens. To be sure, the detour is workable, but it's going to try the patience of many drivers. I strongly suggest being tanked up, as the detour can chew up a lot of time and fuel. For those who haven't planned, there are, fortunately, several service stations along Morton Avenue and SR 39 in Martinsville.


Can't say this wasn't unexpected.

The bypass traffic isn't taking IN-67, they are taking IN-39 to I-70. Backups south of the exit ramps are running about 2 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 10, 2021, 03:43:35 PM

More pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, May 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1, aka Martinsville Segment
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The future on-ramp to I-69 southbound from Hospital Dr./SR 252 in Martinsville; looking slightly southeast. In the background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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Closer look.

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Pilings for I-69 mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking south.

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The southern abutment for the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking southeast.

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Closer look. Because of the slope, EPS Geofoam blocks are being used as the abutment's backfill instead of gravel. The use of EPS (expanded polystyrene) Geofoam in bridge construction is gaining traction in the U.S., but this might be a first in Indiana. Interested in knowing more about EPS Geofoam, click here (https://geofoamintl.com/products/bridge-abutments) and here (https://insulationcorp.com/geofoam).

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Another look of the pilings, and closed SR 37 in the background; looking south.

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State Road 252/Hospital Dr. will remain fully open during all phases of construction in Martinsville; looking east. There will be, of course, short temporary closures, when the bridge beams are placed over the road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on May 10, 2021, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 10, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 09, 2021, 04:26:40 PM

..........As expected, some significant backups are now occurring with the increased traffic of spring. On Friday afternoon, the northbound lanes of I-69 were nearly backed up to the Liberty Church Road interchange. It was slow crawl moving toward Morton Ave./SR 39, and it didn't ease up at all in Martinsville proper, and, if fact, it might have been even slower. Could be we'll be looking at a rough summer and fall as recreational traffic to Brown County and the lakes of Monroe County increases, and Indiana University fully reopens. To be sure, the detour is workable, but it's going to try the patience of many drivers. I strongly suggest being tanked up, as the detour can chew up a lot of time and fuel. For those who haven't planned, there are, fortunately, several service stations along Morton Avenue and SR 39 in Martinsville.


Can't say this wasn't unexpected.

The bypass traffic isn't taking IN-67, they are taking IN-39 to I-70. Backups south of the exit ramps are running about 2 miles.

Semis are definitely taking IN-67 though, loads of semis going from IN-39 to I-465. They need to make IN-67 like IN-135 is near Greenwood.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on May 11, 2021, 03:28:27 AM
Have to say, introducing giant blocks of plastic foam to the ecosystem by burying them under a bridge abutment doesn't seem like the wisest thing to do long-term. Who knows where that plastic will go should it degrade.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 11, 2021, 09:50:28 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on May 10, 2021, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 10, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 09, 2021, 04:26:40 PM

..........As expected, some significant backups are now occurring with the increased traffic of spring. On Friday afternoon, the northbound lanes of I-69 were nearly backed up to the Liberty Church Road interchange. It was slow crawl moving toward Morton Ave./SR 39, and it didn't ease up at all in Martinsville proper, and, if fact, it might have been even slower. Could be we'll be looking at a rough summer and fall as recreational traffic to Brown County and the lakes of Monroe County increases, and Indiana University fully reopens. To be sure, the detour is workable, but it's going to try the patience of many drivers. I strongly suggest being tanked up, as the detour can chew up a lot of time and fuel. For those who haven't planned, there are, fortunately, several service stations along Morton Avenue and SR 39 in Martinsville.


Can't say this wasn't unexpected.

The bypass traffic isn't taking IN-67, they are taking IN-39 to I-70. Backups south of the exit ramps are running about 2 miles.

Semis are definitely taking IN-67 though, loads of semis going from IN-39 to I-465. They need to make IN-67 like IN-135 is near Greenwood.

The backups on the northbound side of IN-37 south of I-70 start around 9-9:30AM. Yesterday the backup reached Keller Hill Road by 11AM-12Noon.

Can't cut through Mooresville. The IN-42 bridge over White Lick Creek is closed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 11, 2021, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 11, 2021, 03:28:27 AM
Have to say, introducing giant blocks of plastic foam to the ecosystem by burying them under a bridge abutment doesn't seem like the wisest thing to do long-term. Who knows where that plastic will go should it degrade.

EPS Geofoam has been around a while now, much longer than I initially thought. It was first used in Norway in 1972. Aside from embankment and bridge support, the material has numerous other uses, such as framing and supporting rooftop pools of apartment buildings and hotels and covering pipelines to protect against degradation of the pipe. I'm no engineer, but if I had to guess, the material probably degrades at such a slow rate that it's environmental impact is minimal.

The material was used in the reconstruction of I-15 in Utah, and pictures of that work can be seen here. (https://my.civil.utah.edu/~bartlett/Geofoam/Slideshow%20I-15%20Salt%20Lake%20City.pdf) More info about EPS Geofoam from the EPS Geofoam Consortium can be found here. (https://my.civil.utah.edu/~bartlett/Geofoam)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 11, 2021, 03:36:30 PM

Another batch of pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, May 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted. For closer looks just expand the photos; Right Click, or whatever works best with your browser.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County
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The Egbert Road overpass and future southbound lanes of I-69 in Morgan County, about four miles north of Martinsville; looking south.

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Closer look. In the background, a tiny patch of coated rebar (green) indicates the new, replacement bridge over Clear Creek.

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In the other direction, looking north, construction of the bridge that will carry the southbound lanes over the dry swale continues.

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Closer view of the dry swale bridge work; looking north.

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A pump was in operation removing water from a cofferdam.

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The water from the cofferdam was being pumped into this large bladder (fabric?), which was slowly oozing water from its top. I've never seen such a bladder in use, but I imagine its purpose was to filter fine sediments from the water. If that's not accurate, please chime in.

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Long range view looking northeast toward the dry swale work zone.

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Another close up perspective; looking north. Note how much higher the roadway for I-69 will be compared to State Road 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on May 11, 2021, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 11, 2021, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 11, 2021, 03:28:27 AM
Have to say, introducing giant blocks of plastic foam to the ecosystem by burying them under a bridge abutment doesn't seem like the wisest thing to do long-term. Who knows where that plastic will go should it degrade.

EPS Geofoam has been around a while now, much longer than I initially thought. It was first used in Norway in 1972. Aside from embankment and bridge support, the material has numerous other uses, such as framing and supporting rooftop pools of apartment buildings and hotels and covering pipelines to protect against degradation of the pipe. I'm no engineer, but if I had to guess, the material probably degrades at such a slow rate that it's environmental impact is minimal.

The material was used in the reconstruction of I-15 in Utah, and pictures of that work can be seen here. (https://my.civil.utah.edu/~bartlett/Geofoam/Slideshow%20I-15%20Salt%20Lake%20City.pdf) More info about EPS Geofoam from the EPS Geofoam Consortium can be found here. (https://my.civil.utah.edu/~bartlett/Geofoam)

They used geofoam here in Colorado on the US 36 freeway when a retaining wall failed due to shifting soils and groundwater behind the wall. The lighter material kept up the required bearing strength without adding the additional weight that caused the wall failure.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: csw on May 11, 2021, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 11, 2021, 03:36:30 PM
The water from the cofferdam was being pumped into this large bladder (fabric?), which was slowly oozing water from its top. I've never seen such a bladder in use, but I imagine its purpose was to filter fine sediments from the water. If that's not accurate, please chime in.
That is exactly what it is, although if it's leaking water, then it either needs replacing or was poorly designed...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on May 12, 2021, 09:30:18 AM
I've seen a bladder like that on a worksite, before. It also oozed water through its porous top, and I'm pretty sure that's by design.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on May 12, 2021, 10:01:38 AM
Can we all agree to not use the word "ooze"  anymore?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 12, 2021, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: vtk on May 12, 2021, 09:30:18 AM
I've seen a bladder like that on a worksite, before. It also oozed water through its porous top, and I'm pretty sure that's by design.

I have also seen bladders like that walk into the local truck stop and I can tell you it wasn't water oozing out and it definitely was by design.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 13, 2021, 02:30:48 PM
More pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, May 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County
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Long range shot looking west toward the Henderson Ford Road overpass and future interchange. On the left is the recently completely extension of New Harmony Road. The cross street at the stop sign is Ennis Road.

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Construction of the new bridge that will carry the southbound lanes over Stotts Creek in Morgan County; looking northeast. This location is about one mile north of the Henderson Ford Road overpass.

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Another view. Somebody else is getting a pretty good look, too.

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Recently completed bridge that carries New Harmony Road over Stotts Creek; looking southeast.

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Looking east from the Perry Road overpass. In the background, work to rehab the southbound bridge over Crooked Creek continues. The Perry Road overpass is about one and half miles north of Stotts Creek.

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Closer view. I have little idea when this section of State Road 37 was constructed with concrete, but guessing, it might have been in the 1970s or 80s. Later, at some point, an asphalt overlay was put down, and now, that's been milled off.

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Staging area near the Perry Road overpass; looking southwest.

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The Perry Road overpass which was completed and opened last year; looking southeast. Note the large culvert at the edge of the catchment basin.

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The other end of the catchment basin with tubes for overflow drainage; looking southwest.

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Another perspective looking east from the Perry Road overpass.

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Closer look at the Stotts Creek bridge work; looking northeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 13, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Wow, great pictures! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 14, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Just amazed at the speed of which this phase is going compared to the Bloomington to Martinsville phase which had the speed of congealed molasses dripping from a pitcher.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 14, 2021, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on May 14, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Just amazed at the speed of which this phase is going compared to the Bloomington to Martinsville phase which had the speed of congealed molasses dripping from a pitcher.
The Bloomington-Martinsville segment was a great example of what happens when you award the job to a contractor who severely low-balled their bid to the point where they ran out of money midway through construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on May 15, 2021, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 14, 2021, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on May 14, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Just amazed at the speed of which this phase is going compared to the Bloomington to Martinsville phase which had the speed of congealed molasses dripping from a pitcher.
The Bloomington-Martinsville segment was a great example of what happens when you award the job to a contractor who severely low-balled their bid to the point where they ran out of money midway through construction.

That goes back to the Daniels administration's approach of privatizing everything and doing things on the cheap. The ITR lease and the Bloomington-Martinsville I-69 construction were two failures of that approach the public felt. I think the improvements in construction on this section are a result of a change under the current governor. Daniels is now doing this at Purdue; buying Kaplan and squeezing tuition money out of students for online degrees that few students finish to keep the traditional campus afloat.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 16, 2021, 05:33:24 PM
From Stotts Creek north to about MP 130, on the west side of IN-37 are the remains of the Central Canal in Washington Township. This part was never watered or had locks, but had been dug out before the state went bankrupt and construction ended in 1837. It also cut though a bend in the White River just north of Stotts Creek.

When the modern version IN-37 was built in the late 1950's that brief part north of the river bend became a drainage ditch to the White River, but it appears the work for I-69 will wipe that out completely.

Several historians on Indiana History came down and took several pictures of where the canal had been dug just prior to the I-69 work starting.

It was originally supposed to hook up with the digging taking place in Port Royal (gone) & Waverly and connect with the Central Canal of Indianapolis. But the Indianapolis Section only got as far as Raymond Street.

The Waverly-Port Royal section also ceased digging in 1837.

Interesting is that today I-69 will pretty much duplicate the route of the Central Canal as envisioned in the 1830's by Indiana leadership.

When the canal was restarted by the state in 1850, they abandoned the Central Canal concept and focused on the Cross Cut Canal from Terre Haute to Worthington which became part of the Wabash & Erie Canal.

I-69 crosses the ROW of the Wabash & Erie south of the Patoka River and north of Pigeon Creek. But this will be its only brush with the former Central.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 19, 2021, 04:28:05 PM
A few more pictures. Best to get them posted before they become stale. Photos were taken Saturday, May 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County
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Looking slightly southwest from the Waverly Road overpass in northern Morgan County. Mainline paving recently commenced in this vicinity with crews putting down a hot-mix asphalt overlay on top of an already present concrete base, which had been deemed structurally sound, and thus, reusable.

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The other direction, looking slightly northeast, from the Waverly Road overpass.

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Different perspective, looking northeast.

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Another look west from the overpass. I imagine two layers of asphalt will be put down, maybe even three.

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Looking north toward SR 37 and the construction of the Teeters Road overpass from near the northern closure point of SR 37, just north of Martinsville. At this point, southbound SR 37 traffic must either turn right on Morgan Street (pictured, foreground), or left on Twin Branch Road. The road pictured in the background left-center is a section of the recently built extension of Morgan Street/Old SR 37. Next year, the overpass for Myra Lane will be constructed near the crest of the hill.

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The view in the other direction, looking slightly southwest from near the northern closure point of SR 37 at Morgan Street. The road pictured in the background is Twin Branch Road, which further south intersects with SR 44.

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Another perspective looking north toward the construction of the Teeters Road overpass. The road in the foreground is Morgan Street.

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Long range shot; looking north.

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Another look west from the Waverly Road overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on May 20, 2021, 08:12:29 AM
ITB will you be doing pictures for the North Split construction?

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on May 20, 2021, 08:12:29 AM
ITB will you be doing pictures for the North Split construction?

SM-G950U

be careful if you do, they're doing a lot of demo right now, drove by this morning and the vermont st bridge is almost gone! the pavement has been rubblized too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 20, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 20, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on May 20, 2021, 08:12:29 AM
ITB will you be doing pictures for the North Split construction?

SM-G950U

be careful if you do, they're doing a lot of demo right now, drove by this morning and the vermont st bridge is almost gone! the pavement has been rubblized too.

Will I be taking pictures of the North Split project? Probably not. If I have reason to be in Indy and I have the camera with me, perhaps I'll take a look. But don't count on it.

On the INDOT webpage for the project, a handful of construction photos have been uploaded, and are found here (https://northsplit.com/photos/). I'm sure many more will be added as construction progresses.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on May 25, 2021, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 13, 2021, 02:30:48 PM
...

Closer view. I have little idea when this section of State Road 37 was constructed with concrete, but guessing, it might have been in the 1970s or 80s. Later, at some point, an asphalt overlay was put down, and now, that's been milled off.

...
I believe that section was constructed sometime between 1972 & 1974. I matriculated to the IU Bloomington campus in August of '74, and by then most all of the conversion of State Road 37 to a 4-lane expressway/rural arterial between B'twon & Indy had already been completed, save for one short stretch on the south side of Marion County (south of Southport Road). But that last section was completed and open by the end of 1974.
Title: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on May 25, 2021, 08:08:52 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on May 20, 2021, 08:12:29 AM
ITB will you be doing pictures for the North Split construction?

SM-G950U
I just took a couple from the Monon trail detour of the overpasses for what would have been over 69 (or 169) and the surrounding construction. Definitely not ITB quality but might be interesting to some. Debating on whether to post in indiana notes or start a north split thread. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on May 25, 2021, 08:10:15 PM
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaaroads%2Ecom%2Fforum%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D27307%2E0&share_tid=27307&share_fid=74954&share_type=t&link_source=app

The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on May 25, 2021, 08:16:47 PM
That's what I get for subscribing to 5 threads and only reading those... thanks!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 27, 2021, 01:46:02 AM

Here's a few more pictures. Little tardy in getting these posted, but better late than never. Photos were taken Saturday, May 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Martinsville segment
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Construction of the overpass that will carry I-69 over Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road in Martinsville, Indiana; looking slightly southeast. The road pictured is Ohio Street. A full interchange will be built at this location.

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Closer look. Ohio Street, which is visible in the background right, will be shifted to the east and will pass under I-69 right here.

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Another perspective; looking south. A sliver of Ohio Street is on the right.

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Looking southwest.

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Construction of the MSE (Mechanized Stabilized Earth) wall for the east abutment of the overpass; looking east.

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Ohio Street work zone; looking east.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 27, 2021, 02:51:56 AM

Here's a few recent ones of work underway in Marion County. Photos were taken Saturday, May 22, 2021.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Marion County
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Construction of the bridge that will carry a new frontage road over Pleasant Run Creek in Marion County; looking northwest.

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Another perspective; looking north. The road in the background running horizontally across the frame is Wicker Road. The new western frontage road in this area will begin at Wicker Road and will run south, parallel to I-69, all the way to Old State Road 37 just north of State Road 144. It will intersect with County Line Road and Smith Valley Road at traffic circles, and Fairview Road at an intersection.

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Closer look at the bridge pilings; looking north.

To provide better perspective, here's a overhead photo of the SR 37/County Line Road intersection from INDOT's I-69 Finish Line (https://www.i69finishline.com) webpage.

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The State Road 37/County Line Road intersection; looking north. The bridge work pictured in the above photos is occurring near the shed-like structure and clearing in the mid-background, left-center.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
Planned Construction Start Map of southern Marion County and northern Johnson County. Pleasant Run Creek is denoted by the small, squiggly line near the western traffic circle of the County Line Road interchange.

A series of Planned Construction Start Maps for Section 6 on INDOT's I-69 Finish Line webpage can be found here. (https://www.i69finishline.com/maps/?fbclid=IwAR36I15GJk2pPR7-gb-5urdqqlWNxkBoi6uTCzLlfzjDeyh0YDJ2RWJQTVY)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.

Oh? How so?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 27, 2021, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.

Oh? How so?
He's generally opposed to 6 laning busy rural interstates if you look at some of his other posts, so not a surprise that there's concern for overbuilding here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.

Oh? How so?

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57.  I am actually surprised that as much of it actually exists in IN due to the highway mileage cap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 27, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.

Oh? How so?

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57.  I am actually surprised that as much of it actually exists in IN due to the highway mileage cap.

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57 because the trucks were all using I-69, plus the state is not up against the mileage cap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 11:15:40 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.
Travel was completed heretofore the I-69 completion.

Oh? How so?

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57.  I am actually surprised that as much of it actually exists in IN due to the highway mileage cap.

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57 because the trucks were all using I-69, plus the state is not up against the mileage cap.

Travel was completed heretofore the I-69 completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on May 27, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 11:15:40 AM

Travel was completed heretofore the I-69 completion.

Travel was completed on the old Boston Post Road too.  Or on foot via the original Grand River Trail in Michigan, or through the Cumberland Gap.  Or via covered wagon on the Oregon Trail.

In your mind does that mean I-95, I-96, US-25E and I-80 are "overbuilt"?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 27, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 11:15:40 AM

Travel was completed heretofore the I-69 completion.

Travel was completed on the old Boston Post Road too.  Or on foot via the original Grand River Trail in Michigan, or through the Cumberland Gap.  Or via covered wagon on the Oregon Trail.

In your mind does that mean I-95, I-96, US-25E and I-80 are "overbuilt"?

Is that a joke?  I-95 is needed due to the baby boomers (growth rate) and urban flight. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 27, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
I doubt Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis will be "overbuilt". If you ask me, maybe it should have been built when the Indianapolis-to-Michigan segment was built. Of course, that may have been pie-in-the-sky to try and do that back then, but it probably could have been justified.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 27, 2021, 02:38:25 PM
State Road 37, between I-465 and State Road 144 to the south, is in no way a rural highway. It is a heavily traveled arterial road. The upgrade to interstate standards, in my mind, was long overdue. The overhead photo posted earlier (and posted again below) is somewhat deceiving as it appears to depict a rural landscape. However, it is anything but. To the west of State Road 37, development is indeed sparse due the floodplain of the White River. To the east, however, in Greenwood and Johnson County, suburban development has exploded over the past 30 years, and there are few signs, if any, of it slowing.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
The State Road 37/County Line Road intersection, prior to the start of construction; looking north. County Line Road denotes the border between Johnson and Marion counties.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
The State Road 37/Southport Road intersection; looking southwest.

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Courtesy Google Maps.
Satellite image of the area near State Road 37 in southern Marion County and northern Johnson County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 27, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.

Oh? How so?

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57.  I am actually surprised that as much of it actually exists in IN due to the highway mileage cap.

There are a lot of times that it could be.  I've driven that stretch for decades.  There are also times when it was not due to traffic (school buses, farm vehicles, etc) as well as going through various villages.  The interstate with being able to cruise at 75 without worrying about anything rather than straining my eyes for those road regulators if I got up to 65 or above makes for a much more enjoyable trip these days to Indianapolis(and hopefully in the next few years!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I never understood why Greenwood hasn't annexed all of Center Grove. I always thought that area was Greenwood proper but weirdly it isn't.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on May 27, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 27, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 27, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
Nice to see that construction has reached Marion County/Indianapolis.  It is a sign that we are nearer to the end than the beginning of this project.

This corridor is now going to be overbuilt.

Oh? How so?

Evansville to Washington was a breeze on IN 57.  I am actually surprised that as much of it actually exists in IN due to the highway mileage cap.

There are a lot of times that it could be.  I've driven that stretch for decades.  There are also times when it was not due to traffic (school buses, farm vehicles, etc) as well as going through various villages.  The interstate with being able to cruise at 75 without worrying about anything rather than straining my eyes for those road regulators if I got up to 65 or above makes for a much more enjoyable trip these days to Indianapolis(and hopefully in the next few years!

69 from 37 south to 64 has been referred to the "Indiana Autobahn" I think you mean going 95 mph  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on May 27, 2021, 05:34:20 PM
Any new construction to Avalanchez that wasn't authorized in 1956 or 1968 is "overbuilt"  and a "pork"  project. This includes rural widening to 6 lanes on busy interstate corridors that desperately need it, or even urban widening.

I'd go to say if he was around then, he would argue the 1956 interstate highway system was a pork project and waste of taxpayer money cause we had perfectly fine arterials connecting our cities, roads already existed, why build new ones?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 27, 2021, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I never understood why Greenwood hasn't annexed all of Center Grove. I always thought that area was Greenwood proper but weirdly it isn't.

I always wondered the same. In essence I think those in Center Grove, or White River Township prefer not to belong to Greenwood. Anyway they mostly all have Greenwood addresses so there is that.

Speaking of the I-69 corridor I saw recently that Indianapolis is planning a project to widen County Line Road from the new I-69 interchange east to SR 135 to start in 2024. The plan calls for the road to be widened (though the number of lanes, be it 3 or 5 is yet to be determined) along with improving the intersections with Morgantown and Railroad Roads. This should make County Line a full five lane roadway connecting I-69 with I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 28, 2021, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 27, 2021, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I never understood why Greenwood hasn't annexed all of Center Grove. I always thought that area was Greenwood proper but weirdly it isn't.

I always wondered the same. In essence I think those in Center Grove, or White River Township prefer not to belong to Greenwood. Anyway they mostly all have Greenwood addresses so there is that.

Speaking of the I-69 corridor I saw recently that Indianapolis is planning a project to widen County Line Road from the new I-69 interchange east to SR 135 to start in 2024. The plan calls for the road to be widened (though the number of lanes, be it 3 or 5 is yet to be determined) along with improving the intersections with Morgantown and Railroad Roads. This should make County Line a full five lane roadway connecting I-69 with I-65.

I have in-laws in Center Grove/White River Twp. They definitely would not want to be annexed into Greenwood.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 28, 2021, 09:02:00 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 27, 2021, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I never understood why Greenwood hasn't annexed all of Center Grove. I always thought that area was Greenwood proper but weirdly it isn't.

I always wondered the same. In essence I think those in Center Grove, or White River Township prefer not to belong to Greenwood. Anyway they mostly all have Greenwood addresses so there is that.

Speaking of the I-69 corridor I saw recently that Indianapolis is planning a project to widen County Line Road from the new I-69 interchange east to SR 135 to start in 2024. The plan calls for the road to be widened (though the number of lanes, be it 3 or 5 is yet to be determined) along with improving the intersections with Morgantown and Railroad Roads. This should make County Line a full five lane roadway connecting I-69 with I-65.

It looks like in the interim there will be a signal placed at railroad and county line. This cooridor needs widening badly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 28, 2021, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 27, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
I doubt Interstate 69 between Evansville and Indianapolis will be "overbuilt". If you ask me, maybe it should have been built when the Indianapolis-to-Michigan segment was built. Of course, that may have been pie-in-the-sky to try and do that back then, but it probably could have been justified.
Assuming it took the originally intended alignment along Binford Blvd, how then would it get to the south side of town? Perhaps the writing was on the wall when I-164 was built, because look what's happened to it now. As soon as I-69 is finished, there'll be a nice freeway connecting Indianapolis to Evansville as well as Ft. Wayne, Lansing, Flint and Port Huron, with more to come further south, even if it takes decades to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 01, 2021, 08:20:48 AM
an interstate should have always gone from indy to memphis through eville. should have been called i-63. it surprises me a us route didn't make this journey either. i'd call it us 39
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 01, 2021, 08:20:48 AM
an interstate should have always gone from indy to memphis through eville. should have been called i-63. it surprises me a us route didn't make this journey either. i'd call it us 39

I-65 to I-40 already covers this movement or I-70 to I-57 to I-55. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 01, 2021, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 01, 2021, 08:20:48 AM
an interstate should have always gone from indy to memphis through eville. should have been called i-63. it surprises me a us route didn't make this journey either. i'd call it us 39

I-65 to I-40 already covers this movement or I-70 to I-57 to I-55.
How about US 51/US 45/US 60/US 41/IN 67? The entire interstate system is a pork project, let's go back to using US and state routes the whole way through !
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 01, 2021, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 27, 2021, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I never understood why Greenwood hasn't annexed all of Center Grove. I always thought that area was Greenwood proper but weirdly it isn't.

I always wondered the same. In essence I think those in Center Grove, or White River Township prefer not to belong to Greenwood. Anyway they mostly all have Greenwood addresses so there is that.

I'd like to chime in here, even though a little late. Annexation is often a fraught process, with differing viewpoints on both sides. Typically, there are those who want to annex and those who don't, and vice versa. One factor that usually comes into play is the schools. In the case of Center Grove, or White River Township, they have their own school system, the Center Grove Community School Corporation. If Center Grove were to be annexed into Greenwood, its school system would likely be absorbed into the Greenwood Community School Corporation. That's a touchy issue.

A few years back, the city of Bloomington announced intentions to annex several areas in and around the city. It triggered a state response, with the Indiana General Assembly passing legislation prohibiting the action. The city sued, and earlier this year, was victorious, with the courts determining the state's response unconstitutional. Now the city is once again moving forward with its annexation plans.

Speaking of schools, Center Grove High School won last year's state football championship, playing in 6A, the highest division. Center Grove is one the state's powerhouse teams. They play in the toughest football conference in Indiana, the Metropolitan Interscholastic Conference (MIC), comprised of teams from Indianapolis and Carmel. These are very large schools where football is more than just a pastime. Carmel has an enrollment of 5,000; Warren Center, 3,700; Ben Davis, 4,000; and so on. Center Grove is on the lower end at around 2,600. This is serious, big time high school football. Some of these teams travel to adjacent states to play other big football schools. Last year, Center Grove ended up ranked #13 nationally.

Highlights of last year's game between Center Grove and Cathedral, a major Indianapolis team, as well as the state's 2020 6A championship game, can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Miw65XSN-s) and here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmaQEcUBxFk)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 01, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 01, 2021, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 27, 2021, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I never understood why Greenwood hasn't annexed all of Center Grove. I always thought that area was Greenwood proper but weirdly it isn't.

I always wondered the same. In essence I think those in Center Grove, or White River Township prefer not to belong to Greenwood. Anyway they mostly all have Greenwood addresses so there is that.

I'd like to chime in here, even though a little late. Annexation is often a fraught process, with differing viewpoints on both sides. Typically, there are those who want to annex and those who don't, and vice versa. One factor that usually comes into play is the schools. In the case of Center Grove, or White River Township, they have their own school system, the Center Grove Community School Corporation. If Center Grove were to be annexed into Greenwood, its school system would likely be absorbed into the Greenwood Community School Corporation. That's a touchy issue.

A few years back, the city of Bloomington announced intentions to annex several areas in and around the city. It triggered a state response, with the Indiana General Assembly passing legislation prohibiting the action. The city sued, and earlier this year, was victorious, with the courts determining the state's response unconstitutional. Now the city is once again moving forward with its annexation plans.

Speaking of schools, Center Grove High School won last year's state football championship, playing in 6A, the highest division. Center Grove is one the state's powerhouse teams. They play in the toughest football conference in Indiana, the Metropolitan Interscholastic Conference (MIC), comprised of teams from Indianapolis and Carmel. These are very large schools where football is more than just a pastime. Carmel has an enrollment of 5,000; Warren Center, 3,700; Ben Davis, 4,000; and so on. Center Grove is on the lower end at around 2,600. This is serious, big time high school football. Some of these teams travel to adjacent states to play other big football schools. Last year, Center Grove ended up ranked #13 nationally.

Highlights of last year's game between Center Grove and Cathedral, a major Indianapolis team, as well as the state's 2020 6A championship game, can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Miw65XSN-s) and here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmaQEcUBxFk)


School district merger is a separate question from city annexation. Greenwood could annex all or part of WR Twp without merging the school districts. Up here in Lake County, there are several mismatched between city and school district boundaries.

That said, I know have several in-laws and friends who live in Center Grove and they aren't interested in becoming part of Greenwood.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 01, 2021, 04:58:50 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 01, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
School district merger is a separate question from city annexation. Greenwood could annex all or part of WR Twp without merging the school districts. Up here in Lake County, there are several mismatched between city and school district boundaries.

Thanks for the clarification. Annexation and school district merger are indeed separate, but appear to be closely related. Googling the topic of annexation and school districts, it appears the issue is dependent, to some extent, on state law.  Note what the Ohio code says below.

In Indiana, per Indiana Code 20-25-5-11, an "annexation may be effected if an acquiring school corporation and a losing school corporation each adopts a substantially identical annexation resolution." So, at least in Indiana, it seems there must be agreement between both parties for school districts to merge or separate.

In Ohio, a section of the code reads as follows: "When all of the territory of a school district is annexed to a city or village, such territory thereby becomes a part of the city school district or the school district of which the village is a part, and the legal title to school property in such territory for school purposes shall be vested in the board of education of the city school district or the school district of which the village is a part." Section 3311.06 (C)(1)

Links:  Indiana Annexation by School Corporations (https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/indiana/in-code/indiana_code_20-25-5-11)
          Ohio Laws & Administrative Rules, Section 3311.06 (https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3311.06)


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 01, 2021, 06:31:01 PM
Maybe center Grove could become its own city.

Pixel 5

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 01, 2021, 10:14:28 PM
One further note concerning the school districts around Greenwood. Newer parts of Greenwood to the east and south, say around the new Worthsville Road exit are all still a part of the Clark-Pleasant school district (Whiteland HS.) So there is already precedent of people living within Greenwood limits and not going to Greenwood schools. Those district boundaries are set and can't be changed unless a separate merger or something happens.

Also one more thing I just noticed, parts of Greenwood's far western area (around SR 135 and already annexed by the city) are already in Center Grove's district.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 02, 2021, 12:19:17 AM

With the passing of the month of May, we're now a little over 40% through the one-year closure of State Road 37 in Martinsville. There are roughly 200 more days to go until the highway is expected to be reopened as Interstate 69. Construction is rapidly moving forward. Beams have now been placed for the mainline bridges at the Morton Ave./SR 39 interchange, as well as for the bridge that will carry the northbound lanes over Indian Creek south of Martinsville. Concrete paving also is taking place between Indian Creek and the future SR 39 interchange for the northbound lanes.

Here's some pictures of construction in Martinsville. Photos were taken Sunday, May 30, 2021, unless otherwise noted. To provide points of reference, I'll first put up two maps from INDOT's I-69 Finish Line webpage.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1 (Martinsville segment)
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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.

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Looking southwest from near the future I-69/State Road 39 interchange in Martinsville. On the right, northbound I-69 traffic is detouring onto Morton Ave./SR 39 in Martinsville. Visible in the center-left is the sloping curve of the future northbound off ramp that will lead to the interchange's eastern roundabout. Rebar dowel baskets have been placed in preparation to concrete paving the left northbound lane.

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Beams were recently placed for the mainline bridges over Morton Ave./State Road 39 for the new I-69/SR 39 interchange; looking northwest.

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The outline of the eastern roundabout at the future I-69/SR 39 interchange; looking southeast.

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The intersection of Rogers Road and Morton Ave./SR 39 in Martinsville just west of the future SR 39 interchange; looking northwest. As part of the new interchange, another roundabout will be constructed very near that intersection. It will be the last component of the interchange to be built.

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Another perspective of the mainline bridges at the SR 39 interchange; looking west.

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Looking northeast toward the mainline roadways from near the SR 39 interchange. In the background is the Burton Lane crossing, which remains open at this time.

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Close up of the Link-Belt crane at SR 39 interchange work zone; looking northwest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 02, 2021, 06:19:58 PM

Here's another picture set of construction in Martinsville. Photos were taken Sunday, May 30, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

ndiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1 (Martinsville segment)
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View from near the former State Road 37/Burton Lane intersection in Martinsville; looking slightly northeast. In the background is the Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road work zone, where an interchange is under construction.

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Staging area at the Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road work zone; looking northeast.

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The Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road crossing, which remains open at this time; looking south. At some point, the crossing will be closed to facilitate construction of the interchange. Not everyday one comes across a farm tractor exiting a shopping center, but it is what it is. To an extent, Martinsville still retains some aspects of its farming community roots.

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Sound wall construction just north of the Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road work zone; looking south.

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Stack of precast concrete panels for MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) walls at the Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road work zone; looking northeast.

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New mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch; looking east. Sartor Ditch was recently shifted to its new channel, facilitating construction of the Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road interchange.

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Another look from the Burton Lane crossing in Martinsville; looking northeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 03, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
I like that Sartor Ditch has more capacity as it passes under I-69.  I hope they also widen the ditch down Mahalasville Road because it is at the west turn towards Indian Creek the water backups occur.

Trash, leaves, tree debris get caught in the culvert and causes the water to back up all the way to the high school.

Google Maps shows that INDOT bought up all the land along Mahalasville Road, including a new self-storage facility, and will be shifting that road east away from Sartor Ditch.

This is good because the pitch for water drainage from the new highway starts at the new Grand Valley overpass and all flows toward Sartor Ditch.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 03, 2021, 10:03:59 PM
One final set of pictures of construction in Martinsville. Photos were taken Sunday, May 30, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1 (Martinsville segment)

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Looking north from near the new mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch in Martinsville, Indiana.

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Closer look. In the mid-background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass, and further back, at the crest of the hill, is the new, still-under-construction overpass for State Road 44.

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Here's the view from the other direction; looking south from near the under construction State Road 44 overpass.

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Perspective using the zoom lens. In the mid-center is the State Road 252/Hospital Drive work zone, where an overpass and interchange is under construction. Further back is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass, and visible beyond that are the new mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch. In the deep background, the pilings for the mainline bridges over Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road are discernible.

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Here's the view without the zoom; looking south. This is what the eye sees. The road pictured is the temporary connector between State Road 252/Hospital Drive and State Road 44.

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Turning around, the view looking north from the State Road 44 overpass. In the background right is Twin Branch Road, the recently completed new frontage road.

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Another look north from the mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch. With the rigging in place, the deck pours will soon take place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on June 05, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
Just a quick 'heads up' here - Yesterday (Friday, 2021-06-04), Big Rig Steve drove I-69 in this area from south to north.  Go to his website for the links to the videos.

Enjoy!   :popcorn:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 05, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 05, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
Just a quick 'heads up' here - Yesterday (Friday, 2021-06-04), Big Rig Steve drove I-69 in this area from south to north.  Go to his website for the links to the videos.

Enjoy!   :popcorn:

Mike
He only drove it from Evansville to Bloomington. He then cut over to Cloverdale then took I-70 into Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 05, 2021, 01:57:37 PM
The old road had more character.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 05, 2021, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 05, 2021, 01:57:37 PM
The old road had more character.
So you prefer driving on US 66 over I-40 through the desert too, because the former have more character?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 05, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 05, 2021, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 05, 2021, 01:57:37 PM
The old road had more character.
So you prefer driving on US 66 over I-40 through the desert too, because the former have more character?

Posting for effect. Sometimes called trolling.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 05, 2021, 08:25:09 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 05, 2021, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 05, 2021, 01:57:37 PM
The old road had more character.
So you prefer driving on US 66 over I-40 through the desert too, because the former have more character?

Most of US 66 has been supplanted by I-40 anyway out in the desert.  I would not want to use the Oatman section as it is substandard to the vehicle of today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on June 06, 2021, 05:08:04 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 05, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 05, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
Just a quick 'heads up' here - Yesterday (Friday, 2021-06-04), Big Rig Steve drove I-69 in this area from south to north.  Go to his website for the links to the videos.

Enjoy!   :popcorn:

Mike
He only drove it from Evansville to Bloomington. He then cut over to Cloverdale then took I-70 into Indianapolis.

Probably a good deal on that move.  The part SW of Bloomington was an interesting real-time drive.  Light traffic.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 07, 2021, 12:15:23 PM
Work progressing well at SR 144, you can see where the NB off-ramp & SB on-ramp are now, and where the bridge will run over I-69. Fast progress, despite all the traffic. Even faster I hear down in Martinsville. Wish I snapped a few photos near 144.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 08, 2021, 02:21:31 AM

Some interesting tidbits are found in Morgan County's 2019 Thoroughfare Plan (https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A2f4788bd-085d-4b3b-adf1-bc81839513ff#pageNum=5), which was adopted July 16, 2019 and is available online.

First and foremost is the plan to transform Henderson Ford Road and Centennial Road into a major N/S corridor, connecting State Road 144 and State Road 252. North of the I-69 interchange, Henderson Ford Road, which will be upgraded to a Major Arterial, will be extended and widened to intersect with SR 144. South of the interchange, Centennial Road, which becomes Henderson Ford Road at Egbert Road, will be extended south to intersect with SR 252. Henderson Ford, in this area, will be reclassified from Local to Major Collector, and Centennial Road, from Local to Minor Collector.

Also in the works are plans to add lanes to State Road 144 between the I-69 interchange and the corporate limits of Mooresville, to the west. Another project is Mann Road, which is to be widened between SR 144 and the county's northern border, with added safety improvements and guardrails. In the northwest sector of the county near Mooresville, a smooth flowing corridor between the industrial park south of Mooresville and I-70 is on the drawing boards. Existing local roads are to be widened and roundabouts built at specified intersections. All of these projects have been classified as near term Level A priority.

Map–Morgan County, Indiana, Level A Priority Road Improvements
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Courtesy Morgan County Planning Department/HWC Engineering.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 08, 2021, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 08, 2021, 02:21:31 AM

Some interesting tidbits are found in Morgan County's 2019 Thoroughfare Plan (https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A2f4788bd-085d-4b3b-adf1-bc81839513ff#pageNum=5), which was adopted July 16, 2019 and is available online.

First and foremost is the plan to transform Henderson Ford Road and Centennial Road into a major N/S corridor, connecting State Road 144 and State Road 252. North of the I-69 interchange, Henderson Ford Road, which will be upgraded to a Major Arterial, will be extended and widened to intersect with SR 144. South of the interchange, Centennial Road, which becomes Henderson Ford Road at Egbert Road, will be extended south to intersect with SR 252. Henderson Ford, in this area, will be reclassified from Local to Major Collector, and Centennial Road, from Local to Minor Collector.

Also in the works are plans to add lanes to State Road 144 between the I-69 interchange and the corporate limits of Mooresville, to the west. Another project is Mann Road, which is to be widened between SR 144 and the county's northern border, with added safety improvements and guardrails. In the northwest sector of the county near Mooresville, a smooth flowing corridor between the industrial park south of Mooresville and I-70 is on the drawing boards. Existing local roads are to be widened and roundabouts built at specified intersections. All of these projects have been classified as near term Level A priority.

Map–Morgan County, Indiana, Level A Priority Road Improvements
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Courtesy Morgan County Planning Department/HWC Engineering.

When the Ameriplex Parkway Extension is complete to Southport Road, updates to Mann Road will be needed. North Madison Township is already exploding with housing growth in Morgan County, east of Mooresville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 20, 2021, 02:44:25 AM
I went on a trip with my father down to Martinsville to see the construction along the highway. It is amazing to see the progress being done on this stretch of highway over the snail's pace on Section 5. I'll leave the pictures to ITB and Finish Line but I had a couple of minor observations from Martinsville that stroke my curiosity.

There's a BGS sign bridge over future I-69 north of the Indian Creek bridges approaching the future SR 39 exit. This was the first time I had seen the actual signs proposed and there does appear to be a change. Exit 138 was planned for Ohio Street and Mahalsville Road but the actual sign marks the second control as Artesian Avenue, which is part of the new outer roadways on the eastern fringe of Martinsville. I guess the way the roads are being designed in that area Artesian Avenue will begin at the I-69 interchange and Mahalsville Road will start a little further down off of Artesian.

Second, we had to make a pit stop at the McDonalds off of Burton Lane in Martinsville and my dad was commenting on how it was an older looking McDonalds. Sure enough when we drove down SR 39 past the intersection with the road that leads east into the shopping center that features McDonalds there's construction going on in the northeast corner for a new McDonalds. This makes a lot of sense since SR 39 will be a more prominent exit off of I-69 with Burton Lane being cut off completely. Across the road from the new McDonalds appears to be a new Taco Bell likely replacing the existing one off of Southview Drive and Burton Lane. This makes me wonder if more development is likely along SR 39 to the immediate north of the I-69 interchange as that will prove to be a major gateway into the community.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on June 21, 2021, 12:16:33 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 20, 2021, 02:44:25 AM
I went on a trip with my father down to Martinsville to see the construction along the highway. It is amazing to see the progress being done on this stretch of highway over the snail's pace on Section 5. I'll leave the pictures to ITB and Finish Line but I had a couple of minor observations from Martinsville that stroke my curiosity.

There's a BGS sign bridge over future I-69 north of the Indian Creek bridges approaching the future SR 39 exit. This was the first time I had seen the actual signs proposed and there does appear to be a change. Exit 138 was planned for Ohio Street and Mahalsville Road but the actual sign marks the second control as Artesian Avenue, which is part of the new outer roadways on the eastern fringe of Martinsville. I guess the way the roads are being designed in that area Artesian Avenue will begin at the I-69 interchange and Mahalsville Road will start a little further down off of Artesian.

Second, we had to make a pit stop at the McDonalds off of Burton Lane in Martinsville and my dad was commenting on how it was an older looking McDonalds. Sure enough when we drove down SR 39 past the intersection with the road that leads east into the shopping center that features McDonalds there's construction going on in the northeast corner for a new McDonalds. This makes a lot of sense since SR 39 will be a more prominent exit off of I-69 with Burton Lane being cut off completely. Across the road from the new McDonalds appears to be a new Taco Bell likely replacing the existing one off of Southview Drive and Burton Lane. This makes me wonder if more development is likely along SR 39 to the immediate north of the I-69 interchange as that will prove to be a major gateway into the community.
You just answered a question for me.  I was wondering what some of those businesses (especially McDonald's) was going to do since it wasn't going to be an easy off/easy on situation with their access to what will be formerly IN 37 is going to be closed off without overpass or interchange.  Build a new building!  Hopefully for my son's benefit, Sgt Pepper's chicken will still be in business in the adjacent old shopping center.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 21, 2021, 06:22:38 PM

It's been a month, so here's another photo update. But before I get to it I want to mention that heavy storms moved through South-Central Indiana over the weekend. Owen County, which is adjacent to directly west of Morgan County, was particularly hard hit. Spencer, the county seat, recorded 7.41 inches of rain. Over 30 roads were closed in the county, 23 culverts washed out, and two bridges seriously damaged.

In Morgan County, I noticed some low lying areas inundated, but not to any great extent. The White River was full and running strong, as was Indian Creek. On the way back to Bloomington, I noticed a convoy of five electrical trucks coming up I-69 and exiting onto State Road 46 west. Likely additional units from southern Indiana had been called in to help get the power back up in Owen. In some ways, this reflects the significance of I-69 in south-central and southwest Indiana; it is now the region's most important road.

To the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, June 20, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County; Johnson County; Marion County
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Looking slightly northeast from the Henderson Ford Road overpass in Morgan County toward the future southbound lanes of I-69.

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Southbound I-69 exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road; looking east.

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Another perspective looking slightly northeast.

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The view in the other direction. Looking southwest from the Henderson Ford Road overpass toward the temporary traffic light at the Henderson Ford Road intersection and the future southbound lanes of I-69.

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Another view looking slightly northeast from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. Plans are to switch all State Road 37 traffic to the newly constructed southbound lanes of future I-69 sometime this summer. Work will then commence on the northbound lanes.

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Mid-range perspective looking southwest from the Henderson Ford Road overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 21, 2021, 07:47:52 PM

Another batch. Again, photos were taken Sunday, June 20, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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The State Road 37/State Road 144 intersection in Johnson County; looking northeast. An interchange will be built here. Construction of the overpass that will carry SR 144 over I-69 is expected to commence in 2022. On the left and in the foreground is the future entrance ramp from SR 144 to I-69 southbound. In the right center, a large retaining wall (the black structure) has been constructed.

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Different perspective. Looking north toward the SR 37/SR 144 intersection.

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Slightly closer view; looking north. Dowel rod assemblies have been laid out in preparation for placement. From all appearances – the equipment on-site, the dowel rods – crews will be putting down concrete over the asphalt. Because I haven't seen this type of construction before – concrete over newly laid asphalt – I'm hesitant to say they're definitely going to be paving a concrete slab. But it sure looks that way. If it's concrete, and I think it will be, I imagine they're doing it because of geological conditions and are wanting a flexible base, which asphalt gives. Also, recall that further south near the Waverly Road overpass, the roadway already had concrete, which is being reused. Could be in this area and further south, geological conditions dictate that concrete be utilized.

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Another view of the dowel rod assemblies; looking north.

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The view in the opposite direction. Looking south toward the temporary traffic light installation at the SR 37/Banta Road intersection.

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Paving equipment on the southbound roadway just south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection; looking north. Looks like they're ready to start paving this week.

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Another perspective of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection; looking slightly northeast.

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Another look; looking north.

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Long range view looking toward the SR 37/Banta Road temporary intersection.

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The corn is coming along. Long range view looking slightly northeast toward the SR 37/SR 144 intersection.

I imagine a few of you will recognize the following lyrics. In the latter half of the 1970s, this song was enormously popular in Indiana, as was its singer and songwriter.

Out past the cornfields where the woods got heavy
Out in the back seat of my '60 Chevy
Workin' on mysteries without any clues
Workin' on our night moves
Tryin' to make some front page drive-in news
Workin' on our night moves
In the summertime
In the sweet summertime

Yup. Summer has arrived. In only 18 months, we can expect a completed I-69/SR 144 interchange, as well as a completed roadway north from Martinsville to the interchange.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 23, 2021, 09:48:40 AM
In the pictures above there is an asphalt paver and right behind it appears to be a concrete slipform paver. This would not be the first time a road is paved with concrete on top of an asphalt sub-base. Arkansas has been doing this a lot in recent years with new road construction and the reconstruction of existing roads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 23, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 23, 2021, 09:48:40 AM
In the pictures above there is an asphalt paver and right behind it appears to be a concrete slipform paver. This would not be the first time a road is paved with concrete on top of an asphalt sub-base. Arkansas has been doing this a lot in recent years with new road construction and the reconstruction of existing roads.

Does anyone know what the benefits of this method are?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 23, 2021, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 23, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 23, 2021, 09:48:40 AM
In the pictures above there is an asphalt paver and right behind it appears to be a concrete slipform paver. This would not be the first time a road is paved with concrete on top of an asphalt sub-base. Arkansas has been doing this a lot in recent years with new road construction and the reconstruction of existing roads.

Does anyone know what the benefits of this method are?

I'm wondering the same thing.

Here's a side view of the slipform paver pictured above:

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Gomaco GP4 Slipform Paver; on site just south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection in Johnson County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on June 23, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
ODOT used the concrete-over-asphalt method when they constructed the US 30 freeway from Beaverdam to OH 235 north of Ada. One of my classmates had co-oped with ODOT during that time; basically it provided a stable relatively watertight base course under the concrete and may improve longevity of the pavement. Also, it is possible the ultimate pavement cross-section could be less thick than a traditional concrete-on-aggregate slab, which would somewhat moderate the materials cost differentials.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Georgia on June 23, 2021, 10:27:02 PM
i did asphalt base under a concrete pavement, it was done to provide a flexible base due to the anticipated high volume of trucks using the road and to lessen the concrete cross section needed supposedly. 

believe it was a base and binder course(back then 25 and 19mm; dont know if specs have changed at GDOT) with the concrete pavement on top. 

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 23, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
Big applause to this thread for surpassing 1 million views (at 1,000,040 at time of writing this)  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 24, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
Looking at the photos it appears that IN 37 is already getting the job done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 24, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 24, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
Looking at the photos it appears that IN 37 is already getting the job done.

That is local traffic only. IN-37 traffic is being diverted at Martinsville.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on June 24, 2021, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 24, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
Looking at the photos it appears that IN 37 is already getting the job done.

As mentioned already, mainly local traffic is using this stretch. Most traffic is diverted to SR 67 at Martinsville. Traffic counts in the area of these photos are pushing 30k vehicles per day as of 2019.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 24, 2021, 02:17:13 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 24, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
Looking at the photos it appears that IN 37 is already getting the job done.
"Looking at photos" which shows you have no actual personal experience with the corridor or any credibility to oppose improvements.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 24, 2021, 05:15:32 PM
Yesterday, I had some extra time, so I went back up to Morgan County to check out the paving near the SR 37/SR 144 intersection. It took an hour to reach the area, and that was with no delays in Martinsville, or elsewhere.

Photos were taken June 22, 2021.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan/Johnson/Marion counties

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Looking slightly northeast toward the State Road 37/State Road 144 intersection in Johnson County. As expected, paving with concrete has commenced on the southbound lanes just south of the intersection.

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Long range view; looking north. The road on the left is Huggin Hollow Road, which was recently realigned.

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Wrapping up for the day just south of the SR 37/Banta Road intersection, the paving crew cleans the equipment.

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The scene at 6:30 pm, looking slightly northeast from near the SR 37/Banta Road intersection. The day was not over for some, as a team was getting ready (background) to do some joint cutting.

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Recently paved section; looking slightly southeast. The wheelbarrow is used for concrete slump tests.

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Another view of the paving crew and equipment, which has stopped for the day just south of the SR 37/Banta Road intersection.

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Cross section view of the recently laid down concrete slab; looking east. Looks to be either 12" or 14" thick. Note the joint cut. The pickup is traveling south on the northbound lanes of SR 37, and is not involved in the construction.

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Another perspective; looking slightly northeast from near Banta Road. The SR 37/SR 144 intersection is around the bend and about a mile further.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on June 25, 2021, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on June 23, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
ODOT used the concrete-over-asphalt method when they constructed the US 30 freeway from Beaverdam to OH 235 north of Ada. One of my classmates had co-oped with ODOT during that time; basically it provided a stable relatively watertight base course under the concrete and may improve longevity of the pavement. Also, it is possible the ultimate pavement cross-section could be less thick than a traditional concrete-on-aggregate slab, which would somewhat moderate the materials cost differentials.

MnDOT used that method when they upgraded US 52 between I-90 and Rochester, MN to a full freeway back in, I want to say, the mid-late 1980s.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 25, 2021, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 25, 2021, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on June 23, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
ODOT used the concrete-over-asphalt method when they constructed the US 30 freeway from Beaverdam to OH 235 north of Ada. One of my classmates had co-oped with ODOT during that time; basically it provided a stable relatively watertight base course under the concrete and may improve longevity of the pavement. Also, it is possible the ultimate pavement cross-section could be less thick than a traditional concrete-on-aggregate slab, which would somewhat moderate the materials cost differentials.

MnDOT used that method when they upgraded US 52 between I-90 and Rochester, MN to a full freeway back in, I want to say, the mid-late 1980s.

Mike

Looking again at the pictures, it appears they put down a fairly thick layer of asphalt (just eyeballing it...looks like about 10"-12" thick) and an equally thick layer of concrete (again...by my visualization it looks alike about a 12' slab). That should make for a good solid road that should hold up for quite some time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 25, 2021, 03:32:03 PM
INDOT design specifications for PCCP thickness are based in part on anticipated AADTT. Here's the pertinent chart from the department's Design Manual (https://www.in.gov/indot/design_manual/files/Ch52_2012.pdf):

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Courtesy INDOT.

And here's INDOT's specifications for HMA thickness, based on AADTT.

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Courtesy INDOT.

Edit: Added HMA chart
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 25, 2021, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 25, 2021, 10:40:09 AM
Looking again at the pictures, it appears they put down a fairly thick layer of asphalt (just eyeballing it...looks like about 10"-12" thick) and an equally thick layer of concrete (again...by my visualization it looks alike about a 12' slab). That should make for a good solid road that should hold up for quite some time.
I was on the original construction of I-55 in Illinois. One of our sections used a base material called "CAM" - concrete aggregate mixture, basically a mixture of gravel, sand, water, and less cement than a normal concrete would use. It was sprayed with a liquid asphalt coating and then concrete pavement was laid on top. There were other sections of I-55 where an asphalt base was used. But both these base types were on the order of 4" thick, and the concrete pavement on top was maybe 8-9". The overall increase in truck traffic and weights, as well as better knowledge of pavement design, has led to thicker layers.

Looking at the I-69 photos, I am not sure the asphalt base looks as thick as the pavement. The entire layer isn't readily visible from any view I've seen. The pics showing the dowel rod assemblies look like the base may be in the 4" thickness range, but that's assuming the asphalt base is sitting atop the adjacent stone base. Somewhere there should be a plan set online that answers the question.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 25, 2021, 05:17:49 PM

In response to my inquiry about PCCP over asphalt, INDOT directed me toward their Design Manual, specifically Section 52-5.03, which is as follows:

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Courtesy INDOT.

So an asphalt subbase under PCCP is utilized primarily due to its drainage features and where underdrains are required.

In an earlier post I termed the asphalt subbase "flexible." This needs clarification. In road building, asphalt pavement is usually considered a flexible pavement, as opposed to PCCP, which is considered rigid. Here's a short passage on pavement history from INDOT's Design Manual:

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Courtesy INDOT.

Also, in INDOT's Design Manual, I came across an asphalt layer called a Rich Bottom Layer.

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Courtesy INDOT.

While I didn't inquire, it's possible the asphalt put down prior to paving with PCC south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection (as pictured in an earlier post) is a Rich Bottom Layer. The main purpose of the RB Layer, as stated, is to prevent bottom-up cracking.

It seems apparent INDOT and its engineers are making doubly sure the new I-69 mainline pavement just south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection is built to last. To that end, a thick PCC slab is being put down, and to enhance drainage, an asphalt subbase has been utilized. To be sure, this comprises only a small section of Section 6, but it shows the extra mile INDOT is going to ensure quality.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 25, 2021, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 25, 2021, 05:17:49 PM
While I didn't inquire, it's possible the asphalt put down prior to paving with PCC south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection (as pictured in an earlier post) is a Rich Bottom Layer. The main purpose of the RB Layer, as stated, is to prevent bottom-up cracking.

It seems apparent INDOT and its engineers are making doubly sure the new I-69 mainline pavement just south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection is built to last. To that end, a thick PCC slab is being put down, and to enhance drainage, an asphalt subbase has been utilized. To be sure, this comprises only a small section of Section 6, but it shows the extra mile INDOT is going to ensure quality.

Not sure they'd use a crack resistant bottom asphalt layer as part of the base. It would make more sense on a full depth asphalt pavement where cracks propagating up from the base would eventually make their way to the top. Where you have a rigid concrete slab on the top the asphalt, the asphalt cracking would stop at the bottom of the concrete layer, where the dissimilar materials have little mechanical bond with each other. Concrete is a "bridging" material that can withstand small variations in subbase support much better than full-depth asphalt can. Of course, larger voids in the sub-base, as well as soft or undermined soils underneath the base, can affect the performance of concrete, but good initial soil compaction, replacement of soft soils before paving, and improved drainage usually alleviate those sorts of issues.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 25, 2021, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 25, 2021, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 25, 2021, 05:17:49 PM
While I didn't inquire, it's possible the asphalt put down prior to paving with PCC south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection (as pictured in an earlier post) is a Rich Bottom Layer. The main purpose of the RB Layer, as stated, is to prevent bottom-up cracking.

It seems apparent INDOT and its engineers are making doubly sure the new I-69 mainline pavement just south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection is built to last. To that end, a thick PCC slab is being put down, and to enhance drainage, an asphalt subbase has been utilized. To be sure, this comprises only a small section of Section 6, but it shows the extra mile INDOT is going to ensure quality.

Not sure they'd use a crack resistant bottom asphalt layer as part of the base. It would make more sense on a full depth asphalt pavement where cracks propagating up from the base would eventually make their way to the top. Where you have a rigid concrete slab on the top the asphalt, the asphalt cracking would stop at the bottom of the concrete layer, where the dissimilar materials have little mechanical bond with each other. Concrete is a "bridging" material that can withstand small variations in subbase support much better than full-depth asphalt can. Of course, larger voids in the sub-base, as well as soft or undermined soils underneath the base, can affect the performance of concrete, but good initial soil compaction, replacement of soft soils before paving, and improved drainage usually alleviate those sorts of issues.

You're probably right. It was just a guess that a Rich Bottom Layer of asphalt might have been put down prior to PCC paving. In light of your analysis, that that happened appears more unlikely.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 26, 2021, 11:59:20 PM
Great discussion on pavement types and standards. Keep up the good work on the posts. I have learned more in 4 or 5 posts on paving standards than my 30 years of rote observation.

I was the kid who would stand in the front yard and watch the municipal street crew rip up the oil and chip, pulverize it, recycle and and repave with new oil mixed in. Just don't walk across barefoot in the summer or get oil spots on your feet!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
The I-69 will cost nearly 1 Billion dollars to run it across from IN into KY and over the Ohio River to meet up with the current signed I-69 with estimates of 35 years of maintenance (yeah right).  It is time to Breezewood now and save 1 Billion dollars.


Central Alternative 1B is the lowest-cost option. Construction has been separated into Sections 1 and 2. The total estimated construction costs are $237 million for Section 1 and $975 million for Section 2 (year of expenditure). This total cost includes roadway and bridge operations and maintenance for 35 years following completion of construction.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 28, 2021, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
The I-69 will cost nearly 1 Billion dollars to run it across from IN into KY and over the Ohio River to meet up with the current signed I-69 with estimates of 35 years of maintenance (yeah right).  It is time to Breezewood now and save 1 Billion dollars.


Central Alternative 1B is the lowest-cost option. Construction has been separated into Sections 1 and 2. The total estimated construction costs are $237 million for Section 1 and $975 million for Section 2 (year of expenditure). This total cost includes roadway and bridge operations and maintenance for 35 years following completion of construction.
:bigass: :bigass: :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on June 28, 2021, 02:23:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 28, 2021, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
The I-69 will cost nearly 1 Billion dollars to run it across from IN into KY and over the Ohio River to meet up with the current signed I-69 with estimates of 35 years of maintenance (yeah right).  It is time to Breezewood now and save 1 Billion dollars.


Central Alternative 1B is the lowest-cost option. Construction has been separated into Sections 1 and 2. The total estimated construction costs are $237 million for Section 1 and $975 million for Section 2 (year of expenditure). This total cost includes roadway and bridge operations and maintenance for 35 years following completion of construction.
:bigass: :bigass: :bigass:

If I were responding to the comment as if it were in good faith, I could agree. If this project was done in the 60s, they would route I-69 over the existing twin bridges (with design exceptions for the substandard shoulders), bring the approaches up to interstate standards, and call it a day. It would probably have a cost tag well south of the contemplated $1.2 billion.

However, we live in 2021 where we have to construct bridges to modern standards with shoulders/breakdown lanes. It will be a toll bridge and pay off the bonds over time. And, I suggest it will reduce the out-of-pocket maintenance costs year-to-year in the meantime since the new bridge will be paid for and only one of the two old bridges will remain to be maintained.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 28, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Analysis of any expressway development cannot be solely measured in cost terms.

Others would prefer to measure it in purely economic terms, for example new business along the way.

There are plenty of other ways to measure the costs and benefits of these efforts.

- Lives saved through the means of a safer travel route
- Pollution reduced by taking away the stop/go nature of travel over that same distance

The list can be long and comprehensive. Read the EIS for this route if you want to see more cases.

But in good faith, I can easily say looking at the billions spent is not the whole picture.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 28, 2021, 07:33:39 PM
he's trolling us  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Who needs all these interstate highways when the free option, the "do nothing"  one, is a choice. It's there for people that thinks America is spending too much on transportation infrastructure.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Who needs all these interstate highways when the free option, the "do nothing"  one, is a choice. It's there for people that thinks America is spending too much on transportation infrastructure.  :bigass:

Man look at all the money we would save if we just simply didn't do anything. We'd all be millionaires!  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 29, 2021, 03:11:34 PM
Although this is very unlikely, if someone proposed upgrading SR 37 to freeway standards between the southern junction of IN 37/Interstate 69 in Bloomington, and the IN 37/US 50/US 50 Business interchange south of Bedford, would you support it? And if so, would you give it an Interstate designation, such as Interstate 169?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on June 29, 2021, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 29, 2021, 03:11:34 PM
Although this is very unlikely, if someone proposed upgrading SR 37 to freeway standards between the southern junction of IN 37/Interstate 69 in Bloomington, and the IN 37/US 50/US 50 Business interchange south of Bedford, would you support it? And if so, would you give it an Interstate designation, such as Interstate 169?

That and more is an option being discussed to connect I69 to US231 at I64 in Dale, IN. This is a thread titled Mid-States Corridor https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25352.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25352.0)
If designated as an interstate, I-67 has been suggested by some.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 29, 2021, 03:11:34 PM
Although this is very unlikely, if someone proposed upgrading SR 37 to freeway standards between the southern junction of IN 37/Interstate 69 in Bloomington, and the IN 37/US 50/US 50 Business interchange south of Bedford, would you support it? And if so, would you give it an Interstate designation, such as Interstate 169?

No an interstate down that route would be dubious at best. 69 was built because one of the states largest cities needed to be connected to it's capital. 37 down to bedford and mitchell functions perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 29, 2021, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 29, 2021, 03:11:34 PM
Although this is very unlikely, if someone proposed upgrading SR 37 to freeway standards between the southern junction of IN 37/Interstate 69 in Bloomington, and the IN 37/US 50/US 50 Business interchange south of Bedford, would you support it? And if so, would you give it an Interstate designation, such as Interstate 169?

To be sure, it is unlikely SR 37 south of Bloomington will be upgraded to interstate standards anytime soon. But it isn't out of the question. Any decision to upgrade SR 37 likely will depend on what happens with the Mid-States Corridor project. If that project is given the green light, and proposed Route O is selected, which is very possible, the chances of SR 37 being upgraded will increase. For those unfamiliar with the Mid-States Corridor project, proposed Route O runs east/northeast from Jasper toward French Lick and continues up to Mitchell, where it intersects with SR 37.

Even if the Mid-States Corridor project doesn't move forward, or a different routing is chosen, there's still a good chance upgrades to SR 37 will happen. The issue is safety. Sadly, over the years, there have been numerous major incidents at the principal SR 37 intersections in Lawrence County and southern Monroe County. In time, it's possible some of these intersections will be upgraded to interchanges.

Here's a couple of screen shots of the SR 37/SR 58 intersection near Avoca in northern Lawrence County.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51278555917_f85501040d_b.jpg)
Courtesy Google Maps
State Road 37/State Road 58 intersection in Lawrence County; looking north.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51280326070_e71a3c2e1a_b.jpg)
Courtesy Google Maps
Another view; looking north. Note the crosses in memory of those who have perished at this location.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 29, 2021, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days. 

US 231 south of I-64 is fine as is. North of I-64 it could use expansion to 4 lanes and bypasses of Huntingburg and Jasper. Don't think it needs to be full freeway though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days.

I would say no and considering the I-67 proposal i think this is the lowest of the low priority. there are an endless amount of more important things for INDOT to spend its money on here:

6 laning 65 across the state
6 laning 70 across the state
turning US 31 into an interstate from Indy to the state line
finishing i-69 including the ohio river bridge
random preventative maintenance projects
Potentially turning US 30 into in interstate like facility from SR 49 to I-69
insert something remotely important here


I-67  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 29, 2021, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 05:11:57 PM
insert something remotely important here
Some sort of IN 46 upgrade between Bloomington and Greensburg (4 lane divided (least likely), 4 lane undivided, alternating third passing lane, etc).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on June 29, 2021, 06:22:00 PM
Roundabout Interchanges from I-69 to IN 38 in Noblesville

Try Roundabout Interchanges on US 36  to Avon

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 29, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days.

The  Mid-States Corridor (https://midstatescorridor.com/) project is much more an Indiana project than a joint IN-KY program, even though the sponsoring entity is called the Mid-States Regional Development Authority (RDA). To what extent Kentucky is involved, I don't know. The Tier 1 corridor study, which is now nearing completion, was funded 50% by local private business entities in southern Indiana and 50% by the state. The preferred route of the corridor is expected to be released by the end of the year. In February, it was announced that freeway options were no longer being considered due to cost, but Expressway and Super 2 options were still under consideration.

While I am not well versed in the project, it appears there is significant support, both financial and otherwise, in moving the project forward. The interests that control the entertainment and recreational facilities in and around French Lick have been vocal in wanting improved transportation access. These interests, as well as others, have the attention of the state and INDOT, evidenced by the state funding part of the Tier 1 study. As already noted, we're well along in the process, and the preferred corridor route is to be identified this year. When that happens we'll have a better sense where the project stands. I tend to think the Tier 1 study will identify a feasible corridor and that the "no build" option will be dropped.

To view a map of the proposed corridors, click here. (https://midstatescorri.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Mid-States-Corridor-Routes-Map.pdf)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 08:36:36 PM
I really don't like the idea of a new interstate tearing up the nice topography of that area. it's actually pretty nice to drive. There aren't very many areas like that in the state. it's so sparely populated I don't see any point of anything more than a 4 lane divided at grade highway and even that's a stretch.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 29, 2021, 09:13:55 PM
I would say extend the four-lane expressway north from I-64 to bypass Huntingburg and Jasper up probably to the SR 56 split in Haysville and then maybe a two or four lane bypass around Loogootee and just have spot improvements everywhere else with some passing lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on June 29, 2021, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on June 29, 2021, 06:22:00 PM
Roundabout Interchanges from I-69 to IN 38 in Noblesville
SM-G950U

I assume you're referring to IN-37?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 30, 2021, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 29, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days.

The  Mid-States Corridor (https://midstatescorridor.com/) project is much more an Indiana project than a joint IN-KY program, even though the sponsoring entity is called the Mid-States Regional Development Authority (RDA). To what extent Kentucky is involved, I don't know. The Tier 1 corridor study, which is now nearing completion, was funded 50% by local private business entities in southern Indiana and 50% by the state. The preferred route of the corridor is expected to be released by the end of the year. In February, it was announced that freeway options were no longer being considered due to cost, but Expressway and Super 2 options were still under consideration.

While I am not well versed in the project, it appears there is significant support, both financial and otherwise, in moving the project forward. The interests that control the entertainment and recreational facilities in and around French Lick have been vocal in wanting improved transportation access. These interests, as well as others, have the attention of the state and INDOT, evidenced by the state funding part of the Tier 1 study. As already noted, we're well along in the process, and the preferred corridor route is to be identified this year. When that happens we'll have a better sense where the project stands. I tend to think the Tier 1 study will identify a feasible corridor and that the "no build" option will be dropped.

To view a map of the proposed corridors, click here. (https://midstatescorri.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Mid-States-Corridor-Routes-Map.pdf)

Seriously as if I-69 was not enough.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 30, 2021, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 30, 2021, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 29, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days.

The  Mid-States Corridor (https://midstatescorridor.com/) project is much more an Indiana project than a joint IN-KY program, even though the sponsoring entity is called the Mid-States Regional Development Authority (RDA). To what extent Kentucky is involved, I don't know. The Tier 1 corridor study, which is now nearing completion, was funded 50% by local private business entities in southern Indiana and 50% by the state. The preferred route of the corridor is expected to be released by the end of the year. In February, it was announced that freeway options were no longer being considered due to cost, but Expressway and Super 2 options were still under consideration.

While I am not well versed in the project, it appears there is significant support, both financial and otherwise, in moving the project forward. The interests that control the entertainment and recreational facilities in and around French Lick have been vocal in wanting improved transportation access. These interests, as well as others, have the attention of the state and INDOT, evidenced by the state funding part of the Tier 1 study. As already noted, we're well along in the process, and the preferred corridor route is to be identified this year. When that happens we'll have a better sense where the project stands. I tend to think the Tier 1 study will identify a feasible corridor and that the "no build" option will be dropped.

To view a map of the proposed corridors, click here. (https://midstatescorri.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Mid-States-Corridor-Routes-Map.pdf)

Seriously as if I-69 was not enough.

I think it is. I've always thought I-67 was an absurd idea and an insane waste of money. not every cooridor should be an interstate. This one never made sense to me. At least 69 connects Indy with Eville and Memphis. 67 would connect what exactly?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 30, 2021, 04:51:58 PM
I feel the Mid-States corridor would be better built out ultimately as a four lane divided highway for connecting smaller towns to larger cities, it doesn't warrant a full interstate highway design.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 30, 2021, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 30, 2021, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 29, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 29, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 29, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
If anything you will see J-Turns in this area. and other non interstate upgrades for safety.

Is the total aggregate population of the area served sufficient to warrant any more than "spot" fixes to the existing 4-lane routes?  IIRC, the "mid-cities" corridor was being spearheaded by officials down in Owensboro, KY in order to get a N-S corridor that would serve their city designated (and taking advantage of the US 231 bridge and approaches).  Now that they've got the Natcher signed as I-165, perhaps their desire for a longer corridor might be somewhat abated these days.

The  Mid-States Corridor (https://midstatescorridor.com/) project is much more an Indiana project than a joint IN-KY program, even though the sponsoring entity is called the Mid-States Regional Development Authority (RDA). To what extent Kentucky is involved, I don't know. The Tier 1 corridor study, which is now nearing completion, was funded 50% by local private business entities in southern Indiana and 50% by the state. The preferred route of the corridor is expected to be released by the end of the year. In February, it was announced that freeway options were no longer being considered due to cost, but Expressway and Super 2 options were still under consideration.

While I am not well versed in the project, it appears there is significant support, both financial and otherwise, in moving the project forward. The interests that control the entertainment and recreational facilities in and around French Lick have been vocal in wanting improved transportation access. These interests, as well as others, have the attention of the state and INDOT, evidenced by the state funding part of the Tier 1 study. As already noted, we're well along in the process, and the preferred corridor route is to be identified this year. When that happens we'll have a better sense where the project stands. I tend to think the Tier 1 study will identify a feasible corridor and that the "no build" option will be dropped.

To view a map of the proposed corridors, click here. (https://midstatescorri.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Mid-States-Corridor-Routes-Map.pdf)

Seriously as if I-69 was not enough.

I think it is. I've always thought I-67 was an absurd idea and an insane waste of money. not every cooridor should be an interstate. This one never made sense to me. At least 69 connects Indy with Eville and Memphis. 67 would connect what exactly?
Indy to South Bend? Unless you're talking about a potential extension of I-67 down the Mid-states corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 30, 2021, 05:52:44 PM
^ That's what he's talking about...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 30, 2021, 06:23:25 PM

To recap briefly, in Indiana, the principal objective of the Mid-States Corridor project is to improve the highway connection between Interstate 69 and the cities of Jasper and Huntingburg in Dubois County. Also in the mix are the business interests of French Lick/West Baden in Orange County which are wanting improved highway access to their communities. At this time, various options to improve highway connectivity to I-69 in the region are under consideration in a Tier 1 study. The results of the study are expected to be released sometime in the next six months. As I noted in a earlier post, freeway options are no longer under consideration, but expressway and Super 2 options are still being reviewed. Let's be clear, the Mid-States Corridor project is not an Interstate project.

All of the routes of the proposed corridor stem from the intersection of US 231 and I-64 near Dale, Indiana, and head north, and include bypasses of both Jasper and Huntingburg. Under consideration is where these bypasses might be located, either to the west of the cities or to the east. In contrast to some areas in southwest Indiana, both Huntingburg and Jasper are growing communities, particularly the city of Jasper which has seen an increase in population of 50% since 1990. Even without the Mid-States Corridor project, it was going to be only a matter of time before bypasses of both cities would be proposed and eventually constructed. Since US 231 is an expressway between Dale and the Natcher Bridge it seems logical that the proposed route north toward Huntingburg and Jasper also be constructed as an expressway.

So, if one accepts that bypasses of Huntingburg and Jasper are to be constructed, the next decision is where to place the route that will link into I-69. Should it be to the west near Washington, to the north at Scotland, or to the east via State Road 37 at either Mitchell or Bedford? This is where it gets a little tricky. Which route is best, which can be best justified. On these points the consultants have to bear down and work hard on their analysis. Once a preferred route has been identified, if any, the analysis will then turn to the type of road is to be built, whether it should be an expressway or a Super 2. Again, what type of road can be justified, what is financially feasible. And that's where things stand today. We'll have some clarification when the Tier 1 results are released later this year.




Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 30, 2021, 07:50:26 PM
^ If a super 2 design is chosen, it should at least be constructed with the right of way and ability to be twinned into a proper 4 lane divided highway in the future.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 07:55:37 PM
Never would I have thought that US 231 south of I-69 would get upgraded before IN 46 between Bloomington and Greensburg. Guess this seems like the case now...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 30, 2021, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 07:55:37 PM
Never would I have thought that US 231 south of I-69 would get upgraded before IN 46 between Bloomington and Greensburg. Guess this seems like the case now...

46 from Bloomington to Columbus is not easy terrain in which to create upgrades.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 09:08:08 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 30, 2021, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 07:55:37 PM
Never would I have thought that US 231 south of I-69 would get upgraded before IN 46 between Bloomington and Greensburg. Guess this seems like the case now...

46 from Bloomington to Columbus is not easy terrain in which to create upgrades.
Even a third alternating passing lane (making it a 2+1 road) is not that simple to add? I prefer a 4 lane (divided or undivided, idc), though adding a third lane is another solution if the terrain makes adding more lanes difficult.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 30, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 09:08:08 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 30, 2021, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 30, 2021, 07:55:37 PM
Never would I have thought that US 231 south of I-69 would get upgraded before IN 46 between Bloomington and Greensburg. Guess this seems like the case now...

46 from Bloomington to Columbus is not easy terrain in which to create upgrades.
Even a third alternating passing lane (making it a 2+1 road) is not that simple to add? I prefer a 4 lane (divided or undivided, idc), though adding a third lane is another solution if the terrain makes adding more lanes difficult.

The segment concurrent with 135 wouldn't be the hardest too expand and the few miles immediately west of I-65 may not be too hard but most of that road is pretty tight.

Between the stoplights in Bloomington, the stoplights in Columbus, and the windy sections around Nashville, if I had to go from Bloomington to Greensburg I'd probably take I-69 to IN 44 to I-74.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on July 05, 2021, 07:01:52 PM
In my view upgrading US 231 from I-69 to I-64 makes a lot of sense. Personally I'd make it a 4 lane highway with at-grade intersections, that can support a 60 mph speed limit, and just build interstate quality bypasses around Huntington, Jasper, and Loogootee.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 05, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: US 41 on July 05, 2021, 07:01:52 PM
that can support a 60 mph speed limit
If we're being honest, if it's anything like US-231 south of I-64, it can easily handle 70+ mph travel. But yes, technically, only a 60 mph limit due to an artificial law.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: US 41 on July 05, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: US 41 on July 05, 2021, 07:01:52 PM
that can support a 60 mph speed limit
If we're being honest, if it's anything like US-231 south of I-64, it can easily handle 70+ mph travel. But yes, technically, only a 60 mph limit due to an artificial law.

^This. Most states (outside of the Northeast) will usually give you at least 65 on rural 4 lane divided at-grade highways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on July 19, 2021, 04:54:30 PM
https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2021/07/19/ind-44-bridge-over-69-opens-traffic/8010858002/

https://i69finishline.com/new-bridge-to-open-traffic-to-shift-for-i-69-construction-in-morgan-county/

The SR 44 bridge in Martinsville is now open to traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 19, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
To understand in part why I-69 in southern Indiana is now a reality and why other roads in the state are being upgraded and expanded, it helps to look at the population statistics of the state.

Indiana — Population (1970–2020)

1970     5,193,669
1980     5,490,224
1990     5,544,159
2000     6,080,485
2010     6,483,802
2020     6,785,528

As the figures show, in the 50 years between 1970 and 2020, Indiana steadily grew in population, adding an additional 1,591,859 residents. That equates to a 30.65% increase from the count of the 1970 Census.

If we extrapolate these figures out another 50 years to the year 2070 and utilize the same 30.65% growth that occurred between 1970 and 2020, Indiana's population will be 8,865,292 in 2070, an increase of 2,079,764 from 2020. Bear in mind, Indiana, compared to many other states, particularly in the south and west, is considered a slow growth state. However, even at a modest growth rate, Indiana will likely add more than two million new residents by 2070.

2020     6,785,528
2070     8,865,292 (+2,079,764)

Here's the figures for same date range for Monroe County, Indiana, which was epicenter of opposition to I-69:

1970       84,849
1980       98,785
1990     108,978
2000     120,563
2010     137,974
2019     148,431 (Note: 2019 is an estimate)

The population growth for the Monroe County between 1970 and 2020 was 63,582, or a 74.93% increase from the 1970 count. Again, if we extrapolate the numbers out another 50 years to 2070 and use the same 74.93% growth figure, the county's population will be 259,650 in 2070. While the increase is not quite a doubling from 2019, it's not far off. Obviously, if Monroe County continues a similar rate of growth as it did between 1970 and 2020, bigger arterial roads capable of handling the additional traffic will be necessary. It's not inconceivable that at some point State Road 46 between Bloomington and Columbus will be expanded. State Road 37 to the south could see an upgrade as well.

2019     148,431 (est.)
2070     259,650 (+111,219)

If Indiana's population growth to the year 2070 — now 48 1/2 years away — matches its growth of the previous 50 years, it will necessitate, of course, the building of more roads and bridges. Likely this will involve the upgrading of several roads to expressway or interstate standards, and the adding of lane miles in other instances through the expansion of already existing roads. In certain select locations new terrain roads may be warranted as well. As mentioned above, Indiana is generally considered a slow growth state. For comparison, here are the population figures of two states which had similar but smaller population counts to Indiana in 1970 but in the 50 years hence grew at a much faster pace:

Georgia
1970      4,589,575
2020    10,711,908

North Carolina
1970      5,082,059
2020     10,439,388

Until the population growth of Indiana, and the United States, generally, begins to wane, road and bridge building throughout the country will continue to be robust. Because ... because there are few feasible options otherwise.

Edit: Minor edits for grammar and readability; added the population statistics for Georgia and North Carolina.





Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 19, 2021, 11:47:10 PM

Construction of Section 6 is rapidly progressing. Between Henderson Ford Road in northern Morgan County and and State Road 144 in southern Johnson County, southbound State Road 37 traffic has been shifted from the northbound lanes to the new, recently completed southbound roadway. Crews are now working to move the concrete barriers from the northbound lanes of SR 37 to the new southbound lanes. Once the barriers are in place, northbound SR 37 traffic, currently running on the northbound roadway, will be shifted to the southbound lanes.

As noted in a post above, the overpass that will carry State Road 144 over I-69 in Martinsville is now open to traffic. With the opening, a small section of northbound SR 37, which has been serving as a temporary connector between State Road 252 and State Road 44, will be closed.

In Marion County, earth work is beginning near the SR 37/County Line Road intersection, where a future interchange is planned. Work is also continuing on the bridge over Pleasant Run Creek, which due to heavy rains over the weekend, was pushing out of its banks but, fortunately, not widely flooding. Back in Martinsville to the south, Ohio Street, which remains open to traffic, will be shifted about 50 feet east to its permanent, realigned course. This will allow crews to embark on the next steps to construct to Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road interchange.

To the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, July 18, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51321498147_da74997c0d_k.jpg)
Looking slightly northeast toward State Road 37 (future I-69) from the Henderson Ford Road overpass in Morgan County. Southbound traffic has been shifted from the northbound roadway to the new, recently completed southbound lanes. The concrete barriers currently in the middle of the northbound lanes to separate traffic will be moved to the southbound lanes to serve the same function. Crews doing this work started near the SR 37/SR 144 intersection and are moving south.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51323229145_a18407ef90_k.jpg)
Construction of a culvert just west of the Henderson Ford Road overpass. The path of the northbound exit ramp from I-69 to Henderson Ford Road will run directly over this culvert.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51322953254_f827e18ea6_k.jpg)
Here's where that exit ramp will meet the southern roundabout at the future Henderson Ford Road interchange. The northern tip of the culvert is partially visible.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51322955044_4fcc64c784_k.jpg)
Another view of the new southbound lanes of future I-69 from the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking slightly northeast.

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Looking north toward the future southbound roadway of I-69 from near the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection in Martinsville. At this location, work has progressed to spreading and compressing the base layer of the roadway. On the right, both northbound and southbound SR 37 traffic runs side-by-side on the northbound lanes, separated by a concrete barrier. The barrier, which begins right about where the orange sign is located, extends all the way up to State Road 144.

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Mid-range perspective of the above; looking north.

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The view in the other direction; looking slightly southwest. While the northbound roadway is taking shape, considerable earth work remains on the southbound. High strength geotextile fabric has been placed on sections of the embankment. This is typically done for soil stabilization and to control settlement.

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Closer look at the southbound roadway and its recently placed and compressed sub-base aggregate layer. The road on the left is Twin Branch Road, a recently completed frontage road.

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Cross section of State Road 37's southbound roadway near the SR 37/Morgan Street intersection; looking north. Morgan Street, the road in the foreground, was re-striped and extended across the southbound lanes of SR 37 to facilitate its junction with the northbound roadway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 20, 2021, 02:01:54 AM
Another set of pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, July 18, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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The bridge that will carry a new frontage road over Pleasant Run Creek in Marion County; looking south. In the foreground is the bridge's northern abutment, which is followed by two piers, then the southern abutment. The creek runs between the second of the two piers and the southern abutment, which, unfortunately, is not quite visible. The bridge, which will be elevated just a few feet above the ground, is quite substantial in length.

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Due to recent storms, Pleasant Run Creek was engorged and out of its normal channel at the work zone, but not flooding to any meaningful extent; looking southwest.

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Another perspective of the work zone at Pleasant Run Creek; from near the bridge's northern abutment, looking south.

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From near the State Road 37/Fairview Road intersection in Johnson County, looking north toward the path of a new frontage road. On the right is SR 37. The new frontage road will be substantial in length, running from State Road 144 to the south to Wicker Road to the north, and will intersect with both Smith Valley Road and County Line Road at roundabouts, as well as Fairview Road at a standard intersection.

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The now-open overpass that will carry State Road 44 over I-69 in Martinsville; looking east.

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Different perspective of the bridge; looking southeast.

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The view looking northeast from the SR 44 bridge. Making progress, but still a lot of work to do.

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Another view of the SR 44 bridge and roadway; looking east. Although obviously not pictured, the sign in the foreground was identical in size and layout to the one in the background, except "Indianapolis" was replaced by "Evansville" and "north" with "south." And, yes, I did take a picture of it, but the position of the sun, well ... let's say, it was not ideal.

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Looking south from SR 44/Reuben Drive toward the construction zone in Martinsville. In the background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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The northern entrance monument for Martinsville near the SR 44 overpass; looking southeast. Pleasing aesthetic touch.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on July 20, 2021, 10:10:03 AM
How did Sartor Ditch and its new culvert do with the recent rains?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on July 20, 2021, 01:23:25 PM
From the captions of the photographs I can tell that we have now confirmed that Evansville will be the control city on I-69, even north of Bloomington.  I would have thought that they might have used Bloomington from Indianapolis towards Bloom-town.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 20, 2021, 03:07:35 PM
^^^
Here's a picture of the sign. Mediocre photo, but, I guess, better than nothing.

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The entrance monument to Martinsville and signage at the future I-69/State Road 44 interchange; looking southwest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on July 20, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
It also confirms that SR 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers once I-69 is fully signed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 21, 2021, 09:07:38 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 20, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
It also confirms that SR 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers once I-69 is fully signed.

It's for the best. the long cosigning isnt really useful.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on July 21, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
If IN 37 gets decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers, I guess that means the number of highways concurrent on I-465 wouldn't change. At I-65's interchange with I-465/I-74/Future I-69, would I-69's control cities get added on, so it'll be something like Peoria/Evansville and Cincinnati/Ft Wayne?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 21, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
I never realized this but 67 should just be removed from 465 on the SW side to where it leaves 69. no point of the overlap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on July 21, 2021, 04:27:55 PM
Does anyone have access to recent AADT's for IN-67 and IN-39 since IN-37 was closed?

Some of the local press has been complaining of traffic backups at traffic lights, especially around Mooresville, Heartland Crossing and Ronald Reagan Parkway.

Was wondering if INDOT was tracking traffic count shifts while the construction was in process.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 21, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 21, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
I never realized this but 67 should just be removed from 465 on the SW side to where it leaves 69. no point of the overlap.

Agreed. I was mentioning something about this a few months ago. SR 67 should just be two segments, Vincennes to Indy and Daleville to the Ohio border, or maybe just Portland.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on July 22, 2021, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 21, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
If IN 37 gets decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers, I guess that means the number of highways concurrent on I-465 wouldn't change. At I-65's interchange with I-465/I-74/Future I-69, would I-69's control cities get added on, so it'll be something like Peoria/Evansville and Cincinnati/Ft Wayne?
Yes, I could definitely see this happening at the new southern I-69 interchange, and ditto for the southern junction with I-65, since the same three Interstates will also meet there. For the eastern I-70 junction, new signs should be made, with the following information:

I-69/I-465 NORTH--Ft. Wayne
I-69/I-465 SOUTH--Evansville

I've noticed that there are no control cities on the current signs, so this would be the perfect time to make new ones in preparation for the extension's completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on July 24, 2021, 12:22:25 AM
Looks like Google Maps have I-69 labels on IN 37 between Martinsville and I-465 now even though it's incomplete  :-D
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on July 24, 2021, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 24, 2021, 12:22:25 AM
Looks like Google Maps have I-69 labels on IN 37 between Martinsville and I-465 now even though it's incomplete  :-D
And, of course, as anyone who has been following this project already knows, I-69 will NOT be following the current path of SR 37 north of Edgewood Ave. In fact, the existing pavement on that alignment will be removed south of Epler Ave, once the new Exit 5 on I-465 opens in three years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 04, 2021, 10:39:51 AM
Exit signs have been put up before the SR 39 interchange heading northbound, seen in this photo posted by I-69 Finish Line on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/I69FinishLine/photos/a.1774041949475529/3002317313314647/ (https://www.facebook.com/I69FinishLine/photos/a.1774041949475529/3002317313314647/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 04, 2021, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 24, 2021, 12:22:25 AM
Looks like Google Maps have I-69 labels on IN 37 between Martinsville and I-465 now even though it's incomplete  :-D
(https://i.imgur.com/QvtpsHy.png)
Google has been really bad at jumping the gun on designating future interstates. They rushed to designate the Pennyrile Parkway as I-169 and the freeway section of US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, Tennessee as I-69, even though both sections of freeway have not yet been approved for interstate designation.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on August 04, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 04, 2021, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 24, 2021, 12:22:25 AM
Looks like Google Maps have I-69 labels on IN 37 between Martinsville and I-465 now even though it's incomplete  :-D
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Google has been really bad at jumping the gun on designating future interstates. They rushed to designate the Pennyrile Parkway as I-169 and the freeway section of US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, Tennessee as I-69, even though both sections of freeway have not yet been approved for interstate designation.
Also what is now Future I-26 north of Asheville. I thought the two segments were linked a long time ago because of Google Maps, until someone on the forum corrected me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on August 04, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 04, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on August 04, 2021, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 24, 2021, 12:22:25 AM
Looks like Google Maps have I-69 labels on IN 37 between Martinsville and I-465 now even though it's incomplete  :-D
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Google has been really bad at jumping the gun on designating future interstates. They rushed to designate the Pennyrile Parkway as I-169 and the freeway section of US-51 between Dyersburg and Troy, Tennessee as I-69, even though both sections of freeway have not yet been approved for interstate designation.
Also what is now Future I-26 north of Asheville. I thought the two segments were linked a long time ago because of Google Maps, until someone on the forum corrected me.

That was also the first I learned it was discontinuous, the difference being I always viewed that area on paper maps, which showed the freeway as continuous (which it is) but because of the distance between shields on paper I always assumed it was continuous.

Google also signed the East End crossing as I-265 the day the road hit the map and it stayed that way for years. It is now SR-265 in IN AND KY, and SR-841 in KY only. It used to be the other way around, I remember the 841 designation travelling into Indiana. Confusing at best.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on August 04, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
When will I-265 be officially signed?

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 04, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on August 04, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
When will I-265 be officially signed?

SM-G950U

I think you've got the wrong thread...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on August 04, 2021, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 04, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on August 04, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
When will I-265 be officially signed?

SM-G950U

I think you've got the wrong thread...
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6283.550 is the thread for the I-265 East End Crossing...no new news about signing I-265 betweent I-65/Indiana and I-71/Kentucky reported for awhile
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on August 04, 2021, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 04, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on August 04, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
When will I-265 be officially signed?

SM-G950U

I think you've got the wrong thread...
He was asking a question based on the content of the post that preceded his.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 10, 2021, 11:24:18 AM
Picture update. Photos were taken Sunday, August 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

But first, for the map people, I'd like to mention some signing changes I've noticed:

- Old State Road 37 between Country Club Road and the new Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County is now signed Egbert Road
- Henderson Ford Road north of Egbert Road in Morgan County is now signed Bradford Road. With the new alignment of Henderson Ford Road/Centennial Road, Bradford Road will truncate at a turnaround come to a deadend near William Bradford Cemetery.
- The extension and new alignment of the road south of the I-69/Henderson Ford Road interchange is signed Centennial Road between New Harmony Road and Egbert Road

I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan County
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Looking south from near the Teeters Road overpass work zone just north of Martinsville in Morgan County. Crews are prepping the new southbound lanes for the upcoming traffic shift of all State Road 37 traffic, currently running on the northbound lanes, to the southbound lanes. In the background is the northern closure point of SR 37 at Morgan Street.

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The view in the other direction, looking north, from the Teeters Road overpass work zone. Notice in the deep background (expand the photo) the deep cut and how much lower the southbound roadway is now compared to the northbound lanes. On the left is Egbert Road, a recently completed frontage road, which was formerly signed Old State Road 37.

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The western abutment and middle pier of the Teeters Road overpass just north of Martinsville; looking east.

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Looking south from near the northern closure point of State Road 37 at Morgan Street just north of Martinsville. The road in the background left is Twin Branch Road, a recently completely frontage road.

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Another perspective from near the SR 37/Morgan Street intersection; looking south. With this section of roadway being paved with asphalt, I wonder if any other sections of Segment 1, aka the Martinsville segment, will be asphalt as well.

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Closer look at the recently paved asphalt. Ah, nothing says road construction like the fresh smell of asphalt on a warm summer afternoon.

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Another look from the Teeters Road overpass work zone in Morgan County; looking slightly northeast.

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Closer look at the Teeters Road overpass construction; looking east.

More photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 10, 2021, 03:21:50 PM

A few more pictures. Again, photos were taken Sunday, August 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from near the Myra Lane overpass work zone in Morgan County. To get your bearings, Myra Lane is roughly about one mile north of the Teeters Road overpass work area. When the photo is expanded, which I recommend be done, the Teeters Road overpass work zone is discernible in the deep background.

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The view looking north from near the Myra Lane overpass work area. Note again how much lower the new southbound lanes are compared to northbound roadway. A massive amount of material has been removed. Some of it, it seems, has been transported down to the area where the ground is being built up for the Morgan Street extension north of Martinsville.

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Pilings for the future Myra Lane overpass; looking northeast. These have been there for a while. Full blown construction of the overpass should commence next spring.

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The Egbert Road overpass with its new railings; looking east.

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Looking north from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County. On the left is the new, recently completed bridge over the dry swale. In the background is the crossover south of the State Road 37/Henderson Ford Road intersection. This week the process to shift all SR 37 traffic to the new southbound lanes from the crossover point down to Morgan Street in Martinsville will begin. Southbound traffic will be shifted first, followed by northbound traffic after the concrete barriers have been installed.

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Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass. In the background is the recently completed mainline bridge over Clear Creek.

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Another perspective from the Egbert Road overpass; looking southeast.

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And one more from the Egbert Road overpass; looking south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 11, 2021, 12:11:27 AM
How come the new lanes are so much lower than the old in that area? Seems like a lot of work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 11, 2021, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on August 11, 2021, 12:11:27 AM
How come the new lanes are so much lower than the old in that area? Seems like a lot of work.

Probably to improve sight distance by reducing the steepness of the grade going up the hill. Notice in the last photo the old road is higher than the new road at the top of the hill, but in the foreground, the new road appears to be higher than the old road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 11, 2021, 09:21:28 AM
Makes sense to me. I didn't notice that before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 12, 2021, 07:05:41 PM
Appears I-69 is being extended northward, to just north of SR 44 when the section in Martinsville re-opens back up to traffic - this makes sense.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/125edrwda3y1bmw/Final%20_Report_USRN%20Application%20Results%20Spring%202021.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/125edrwda3y1bmw/Final%20_Report_USRN%20Application%20Results%20Spring%202021.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 13, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 12, 2021, 07:05:41 PM
Appears I-69 is being extended northward, to just north of SR 44 when the section in Martinsville re-opens back up to traffic - this makes sense.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/125edrwda3y1bmw/Final%20_Report_USRN%20Application%20Results%20Spring%202021.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/125edrwda3y1bmw/Final%20_Report_USRN%20Application%20Results%20Spring%202021.pdf?dl=0)

Since when it opens, it will meet interstate standards and be signed as I-69, you might as well make it official.

I would hope that as each section working north towards I-465 gets completed, they will go ahead and add those to the system as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2021, 04:26:07 PM

A few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, August 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1 (aka the "Martinsville" segment)
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Looking north from near the Ohio Street work zone in Martinsville. In the mid background are the new mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch. Further back is the overpass that carries Grand Valley Blvd. In the deep background is the recently completed State Road 44 overpass.

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Construction of the abutments and MSE walls for the bridges that will carry I-69 over Ohio Street in Martinsville; looking northeast. Ohio Street was recently shifted to its new, permanent alignment, allowing work to proceed on the bridge's western abutment.

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The long, curving MSE wall and edge of the eastern bridge abutment at Ohio Street; looking northeast.

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Another perspective of the mainline eastern bridge abutment over Ohio Street; looking slightly northwest.

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View looking southwest from near the top of the eastern abutment.

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Looking in the other direction from near the eastern abutment; looking north.

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Long MSE wall leading to the western abutment of the bridges that will carry I-69 over Ohio Street; looking southwest.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2021, 05:04:28 PM

Another set. Again, photos were taken Sunday, August 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Prior to paving with PCCP, dowel rod assemblies in place on the northbound lanes between the future I-69/State Road 39 interchange and Burton Lane in Martinsville; looking northeast. At this time, Burton Lane (background) remains open to crossing traffic, but permanent closure is expected either late this month or early next.

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Another view of Ohio Street in Martinsville and the bridge work for I-69; looking southeast.

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Looking north toward the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville, which was recently opened to traffic

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The view looking south from near the future I-69/State Road 252-Hospital Drive interchange in Martinsville. In the mid-background right is the approach and northern abutment of the bridge that will carry I-69 over SR 252. Soil material is now in place covering the geofoam blocks. In the deep background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. The northbound lanes of SR 37 (left), which had been serving a temporary connector between SR 252 and SR 44, have been rubblized.

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Equipment lined up near the State Road 252 construction zone; looking south.

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View looking north toward the State Road 44 overpass.

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Base of lighting fixture near the Burton Lane crossing in Martinsville; looking northeast.

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Another view of the dowel rod assembles on the northbound lanes north of the future State Road 39 interchange; looking northeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 15, 2021, 05:22:05 PM

Few more photos from Sunday, August 8, 2021.

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Demo work and the driving of new bridge pilings has commenced for the new northbound mainline bridge over Stotts Creek in Morgan County; looking northeast.

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Closer look of the work underway at Stotts Creek; looking slightly northeast.

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Long range view looking northeast toward the Stotts Creek work zone. The road in the foreground is recently completed extension of New Harmony Road.

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Stack of I-beam pilings at the Stotts Creek work zone; looking east.

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The new bridge that carries southbound I-69 over Stotts Creek; looking north. At this location, Stotts Creek (right) merges into the White River. Nice weather for canoe outing.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 16, 2021, 04:33:55 PM
Came across the following listed in INDOT's 18 month letting list:

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Hmm, superstructure repair and rehabilitation of a bridge that's about six five years old. The Kinser Pike overpass was the second bridge project undertaken in Section 5 after the Rockport Road overpass. The failed P3, it seems, just keeps giving and giving.

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Construction of the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County in the fall of 2015; looking northwest. Photo was taken September 22, 2015.

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Another view of the Kinser Pike overpass just after the beams were placed; looking northeast. Photo was taken October 18, 2015.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on August 16, 2021, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 16, 2021, 04:33:55 PM
Hmm, superstructure repair and rehabilitation of a bridge that's about six five years old. The Kinser Pike overpass was the second bridge project undertaken in Section 5 after the Rockport Road overpass. The failed P3, it seems, just keeps giving and giving.
Sometimes a method is used that initially saves money but proves to be more costly in the long run. Happened in IL on the I-39 Illinois River bridge to the tune of a $30M deck replacement, only 20 years after the original construction. I'm sure there will be a fact finding on this due to the short turnaround needing a repair. Sometimes it's something minor like a premature expansion joint failure; without even a cost estimate, it's speculative to guess what the issue is.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on August 26, 2021, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on August 16, 2021, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 16, 2021, 04:33:55 PM
Hmm, superstructure repair and rehabilitation of a bridge that's about six five years old. The Kinser Pike overpass was the second bridge project undertaken in Section 5 after the Rockport Road overpass. The failed P3, it seems, just keeps giving and giving.
Sometimes a method is used that initially saves money but proves to be more costly in the long run. Happened in IL on the I-39 Illinois River bridge to the tune of a $30M deck replacement, only 20 years after the original construction. I'm sure there will be a fact finding on this due to the short turnaround needing a repair. Sometimes it's something minor like a premature expansion joint failure; without even a cost estimate, it's speculative to guess what the issue is.

Similar issues are occurring on the Portsmouth OH bypass. We never learn.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 26, 2021, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.

The plan is to reopen the Martinsville segment before the end of the year. From my observations, and bear in mind I'm no expert, it appears construction of the segment is proceeding as expected. The claim they are behind by several months behind seems to me highly dubious.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 26, 2021, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 26, 2021, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.

The plan is to reopen the Martinsville segment before the end of the year. From my observations, and bear in mind I'm no expert, it appears construction of the segment is proceeding as expected. The claim they are behind by several months behind seems to me highly dubious.
Yeah, I'd actually say they're ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on August 26, 2021, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 26, 2021, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 26, 2021, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.

The plan is to reopen the Martinsville segment before the end of the year. From my observations, and bear in mind I'm no expert, it appears construction of the segment is proceeding as expected. The claim they are behind by several months behind seems to me highly dubious.
Yeah, I'd actually say they're ahead of schedule.

From the pictures I've seen on this thread and on the I-69 Finish Line website, I can't see how they would be running behind schedule with the Martinsville segment. It looks like they're moving along quite nicely.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 27, 2021, 08:23:48 AM
i always thought it would be open by thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 27, 2021, 08:33:48 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.

Probably in line with the average validity of a Facebook comment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on August 27, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2021, 08:33:48 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.

Probably in line with the average validity of a Facebook comment.

:-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on August 27, 2021, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 26, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Has anyone heard when the closed Martinsville segment is scheduled to reopen? A FB commenter on the I-69 Finish Line page claims they heard they are several months behind. Just curious of the validity of that statement.
I ask people that make bold claims like this one for a source, and if they can't or refuse to provide one, I go with that they're lying.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 03, 2021, 03:24:49 PM

Picture update. Photos were taken Thursday, September 2, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1, aka the "Martinsville" segment

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Looking north from Twin Branch Road about 1/2 mile north of the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. The northbound roadway has had its base layer applied, one of the final steps before paving. Stacks of dowel rod assemblies line the route, ready for placement. In this location, a concrete barrier wall will be constructed. Crews likely will pave the roadway first, with the concrete pours for the barrier wall to follow later.

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The view in the other direction; looking south. In the background is the overpass that carries State Road 44. Dowel rod assemblies have been placed in northbound roadway (expand the photo), indicative that concrete paving will soon commence.

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Looking south from near the intersection of State Road 37 and Morgan Street, the northern closure point of the Martinsville segment just north of Martinsville. A crew was working into the evening paving the shoulder of the southbound roadway. The road on the left is Twin Branch Road.

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Closer look at the paving operation.

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Long range perspective looking north from Twin Branch Road. The Martinsville segment will be paved in concrete up to spot where the asphalt pavement begins.

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Surveyors at work in preparation to the commencement of paving.

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Another look, looking north, toward the northern closure of the Martinsville segment.

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Another perspective looking south from near the State Road 37/Morgan Street crossing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on September 03, 2021, 03:33:18 PM
Very cool.  Thank you for taking and sharing all these photos as the project progresses.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 03, 2021, 04:43:52 PM
Another batch. Photos were taken Thursday, September 2, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. Discernible in the background are the mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch, and further back is a small section of the MSE wall for the interchange at Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road.

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Closer look using the long range lens. Some sort of work was ongoing near the mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch, while, at the same time, a crew worked on a section of sound wall (right).

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The view in the other direction; looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. The placing of sub-base material for the mainline is now underway in this section, after which base material will be put down and compressed, with concrete paving to follow.

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Another view, looking north. The large mound of dirt is the built up ground for the approach to the mainline bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Drive in Martinsville. In the deep background is the State Road 44 overpass.

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And here's that mound from another perspective; looking east. A concrete pour is underway, one of many, for the south abutment of the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Drive.

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Mid range view of the SR 252/Hospital Drive work zone; looking east. Beams are expected to be installed sometime after Labor Day. This bridge and interchange probably will be the last to complete as construction of the Martinsville segment begins to come to a close.

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Another look south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville.

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Mainline bridges over Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road in Martinsville; looking southeast. Beams were installed earlier this week.

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Another view of the Ohio Street/Mahalasville Road work zone; looking southeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 04, 2021, 02:27:54 PM
Do we know how the local Martinsville businesses have been coping over the summer?  There's obviously less traffic through the area (since most of the through traffic has been diverted into town on IN-39), but there would have been a drop off from people avoiding the corridor, and some of those businesses being harder to get to.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 03:23:09 PM


What is that gray-ish bumpy-sih corrugated-ish stuff? I assume it stabilizes the earth in some way, but what is it?

(https://i.imgur.com/MCwINWL.jpg)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 04, 2021, 07:51:30 PM
I-69 in Martinsville: State works with IU to direct gameday traffic

https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2021/09/03/69-martinsville-state-works-iu-direct-gameday-traffic/5711836001/ (https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2021/09/03/69-martinsville-state-works-iu-direct-gameday-traffic/5711836001/)

MORGAN COUNTY – With the arrival of Labor Day weekend, the unofficial end of summer is here.

For many in south central Indiana – the arrival of autumn means colorful foliage, camp fires, chili and apple cider.

It also means that the football season is in full swing.

On Saturday, Sept. 11, the IU Hoosiers will play its first home game against the Idaho Vandals at Memorial Stadium.

With fans in the stands, that generally always means a large amount of traffic coming down Ind. 37 between Indianapolis and Bloomington – right through Morgan County.

With the closure of a five-mile stretch of Ind. 37 in Martinsville, traveling to an IU game will likely look different for many wanting to attend a game.

The state's official detour route around the construction for motorists include Ind. 144, Ind. 67 and Ind. 39.

HNTB Senior Project Manager Tim Miller said that the state and IU athletics department are in active conversations to discuss traffic for events on the Bloomington campus.

"We have already had coordination meetings for the last month and a half with IU to make sure that they're aware of our operations and we are aware of game times and start times," Miller said.

HNTB is a private company that is working with INDOT on the I-69 Finish Line project, the sixth leg of work to extend the interstate from Indianapolis to Evansville.

"Obviously, we are encouraging people to leave early," Miller said. "We are coordinating between both the INDOT and IU athletic to make sure we get that information out to both the season ticket holders and people who are traveling."

On Friday morning, the city of Martinsville issued a press release noting that local residents should "expect to see an increase in police presence on Martinsville streets in an effort to keep the traffic flowing," during IU home football games.

"Residents are encouraged to avoid Morgan Street and the State Road 39 bypass during the hours preceding and following the home games," the city stated in its release.

Kickoff for the first three home games include:

7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 11
Noon on Saturday, Sept. 18
Noon on Saturday, Oct. 16

Miller noted that the state will also be looking at timing for traffic signals on game days.

"All of that is being coordinated with (INDOT's) district office, as well as with Bloomington," Miller said.

I-69 Finish Line Project Manager Sarah Rubin said that work along the future I-69 corridor, and specifically the closed portion of the roadway in Martinsville, is going well.

The five-mile stretch of Ind. 37 through Martinsville was closed in early January.

"We are still targeting to have that completed by the end of this construction season," Rubin noted.

Right now, crews are waiting on material along the corridor to settle into place and paving operations will continue in the coming weeks.

Rubin noted that there are some areas throughout the I-69 corridor will start to see paving sooner than others because the material has already settled properly.

One change that is expected to occur this month along the future interstate corridor is opening of the Henderson Ford Road bridge over the highway.

According to Miller, the bridge and southbound Ind. 37 exit onto Henderson Ford Road is expected to open by the end of September.

In Rubin's opinion, the Ind. 37 closure in Martinsville has gone as planned.

"I think motorists have adjusted into the rhythm of taking the official detour route," Rubin said.

She added that the state has been cognizant of where motorists are traveling and has placed signage in an attempt divert the traffic off local roads and onto state-maintained highways in order to "minimize their impact to the local road network."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 04, 2021, 11:59:46 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 03:23:09 PM


What is that gray-ish bumpy-sih corrugated-ish stuff? I assume it stabilizes the earth in some way, but what is it?

(https://i.imgur.com/MCwINWL.jpg)

It's one of the many special erosion control blankets they are using along the corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on September 05, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 04, 2021, 11:59:46 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 03:23:09 PM


What is that gray-ish bumpy-sih corrugated-ish stuff? I assume it stabilizes the earth in some way, but what is it?

(https://i.imgur.com/MCwINWL.jpg)

It's one of the many special erosion control blankets they are using along the corridor.

What type of material/element is it?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 05, 2021, 02:03:49 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on September 05, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 04, 2021, 11:59:46 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 03:23:09 PM


What is that gray-ish bumpy-sih corrugated-ish stuff? I assume it stabilizes the earth in some way, but what is it?

(https://i.imgur.com/MCwINWL.jpg)

It's one of the many special erosion control blankets they are using along the corridor.

What type of material/element is it?

It's a concrete block mat, a now common alternative to rip-rap. Small concrete shapes, usually either square or round, are attached to a high strength geogrid netting base, forming a flexible mat. Spaces between the blocks allow vegetation to grow, which, in time, will cover the mat, making it nearly invisible. More about concrete flex mats can be found  here (https://www.brockwhite.com/flexamat) and  here. (https://rhmooreassociates.com/products/erosion-control/flexamat-concrete-mat-systems.html)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 05, 2021, 11:49:43 PM

Came across some rolls of concrete block flex mats on my most recent look-see to Martinsville. Photo was taken Sunday, September 5, 2021.

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At the State Road 44 work zone in Martinsville, Indiana; looking slightly southeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on September 06, 2021, 12:15:11 AM
Those look heavy AF!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 06, 2021, 12:51:05 AM
The Labor Day weekend is usually a good weekend for picture taking, so went back up to Martinsville again to snap a few. Photos were taken Sunday, September 5, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from near the State Road overpass in Martinsville, Indiana. On the right is the future on ramp from SR 44 to I-69 northbound. The area with the lighter shade adjacent to the on ramp appears to be a section (shoulder?) of the northbound collector-distributor lane, which will run from near the State Road 252/Hospital Drive interchange to just beyond the SR 44 interchange.

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Rows of dowel rod assemblies embedded in the mainline northbound roadway about a quarter mile north of the State Road 44 overpass; looking north. Paving with concrete should commence this week from this spot, moving north to a stopping point near the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection. Seems as if they'll be able to knock this paving project out in two or three days.

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The paving equipment just north of the State Road 44 overpass; looking north.

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Close up of the GOMACO PS-2600 placer/spreader at the State Road 44 work zone; looking north.

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Mid range perspective of the future on ramp from State Road 44 to I-69 northbound in Martinsville, Indiana; looking north from near the State Road 44 overpass.

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Foundation for a lighting fixture or sign near the State Road 44 overpass; looking north.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 07, 2021, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 05, 2021, 02:03:49 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on September 05, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 04, 2021, 11:59:46 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 03:23:09 PM


What is that gray-ish bumpy-sih corrugated-ish stuff? I assume it stabilizes the earth in some way, but what is it?

(https://i.imgur.com/MCwINWL.jpg)

It's one of the many special erosion control blankets they are using along the corridor.

What type of material/element is it?

It's a concrete block mat, a now common alternative to rip-rap. Small concrete shapes, usually either square or round, are attached to a high strength geogrid netting base, forming a flexible mat. Spaces between the blocks allow vegetation to grow, which, in time, will cover the mat, making it nearly invisible. More about concrete flex mats can be found  here (https://www.brockwhite.com/flexamat) and  here. (https://rhmooreassociates.com/products/erosion-control/flexamat-concrete-mat-systems.html)

That's correct! they're called Fleximat.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 07, 2021, 11:47:01 PM
Here's another batch of pictures taken over the Labor Day weekend in Martinsville. Visible progress now can be discerned almost every day along the segment, an inflection point of the project, so to say, when completion begins to come into better focus. Photos were taken Monday, September 6, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1 (aka Martinsville segment)
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Looking east toward the northbound roadway from near the future I-69/State Road 39-Morton Ave. interchange in Martinsville, Indiana. Interestingly, the shoulder also has been paved with concrete with a beveled edge no less.

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Slightly different perspective of the above, but more clearly showing the beveled edge; looking east.

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The eastern roundabout of the future I-69/State Road 39-Morton Ave. interchange; looking south.

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The underpass at the State Road 39-Morton Ave. interchange; looking south. The on-ramp to I-69 northbound is on the right, while the northbound off-ramp to SR 39-Morton Ave. is on the left.

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Here's the perspective from the other direction; looking slightly northwest. In the foreground are the ramps, not yet divided, to and from I-69 northbound. The ramp to I-69 southbound is on the left. Next year, the full roundabout planned at this location will be completed. The road in the background is SR 39-Morton Ave., the current detour for all I-69 traffic.

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Different perspective of the above; looking west. The I-69 southbound off-ramp to SR 39-Morton Ave. is on the far right. The ramps to/from I-69 northbound, which go under the mainline via the underpass (pictured above), are on the left.

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The view looking southwest from atop the I-69/SR 39-Morton Ave. interchange. The approach slabs to the mainline bridges have yet to be poured at this location. Note all I-69 traffic shunted onto SR 39-Morton Ave. Generally, the detour appears to have worked as planned with no major issues.

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Drainage piping re-work on the northbound roadway near the former State Road 37/Burton Lane crossing in Martinsville; looking slightly northeast. Obviously, something didn't go as planned, as the roadway shoulder slab has been cut to access the concrete pipe.

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Another look at the drainage re-work currently underway; looking north. The location of this slab cut and re-work cut can be seen in the top two photos of this set. 

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Close up of the shoulder slab; looking east from near the SR 39-Morton Ave. interchange.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 08, 2021, 03:18:09 PM
Continuing the picture update from Martinsville. Photos were taken Monday, September 6, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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South abutment of the mainline bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Drive in Martinsville, Indiana; looking southeast.

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The retaining wall and approach to the north abutment (left, but out of view) of the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking slightly northwest. The State Road 44 overpass is in the background.

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Heavy equipment at the SR 252/Hospital Dr. work zone.

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Another perspective of the south abutment of the bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking southeast. The embedded metal bearings on the top — two on the left, one on the right — indicate that beam placement is soon forthcoming.

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View of the SR 252/Hospital Dr. work zone; looking north.

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Enormous crane spreader bar on site at the State Road 252/Hospital Drive work zone; looking east.

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And here's how that spreader bar was used during the placement of the beams over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking east. Photo was taken Tuesday, September 7, 2021.

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Broader view of the beam placement; looking east. With the installation of the beams over SR 252/Hospital Dr., the beam placing phase of the Martinsville segment is now complete. Photo was taken Tuesday, September 7, 2021.

Edit: grammar and readability

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 08, 2021, 03:56:37 PM
A few more pictures that were taken over the Labor Day weekend in Martinsville. Photos were taken Sunday, September 5, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from near the SR 44 overpass in Martinsville. Discernible in the background, the route of I-69 curves right, passing between two hills. Just beyond that point is the Liberty Church Road interchange.

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State Road 44 overpass and adjacent local identifying monument in Martinsville; looking west.

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Looking north from the SR 44 overpass. The future on-ramp to I-69 northbound is on the right.

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The deck of the State Road 44 overpass; looking west. On the sign, the "69" of the interstate shield, previously displayed, is now covered.

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View looking south from the SR 44 work zone using the zoom lens.

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What the eye sees looking south from near the SR 44 overpass.

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Mainline pavement of the the northbound lanes just north of the former SR 37/Burton Lane crossing in Martinsville; looking east. In the background, somewhat visible, are the mainline bridges over Ohio Street/Artesian Road.

That's all for now. I'll head out for another look-see in Martinsville as we get into October.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 08, 2021, 04:35:03 PM
seems like they will meet the thanksgiving deadline at this pace.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 10, 2021, 01:14:46 PM
Opening September 13th in Morgan County:

SB SR 37 exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road
Henderson Ford Road overpass over SR 37 opens
New Harmony Road access road opens on the south side of SR 37 from Henderson Ford Road to Ennis road, where it will connect with SR 37, allowing northbound traffic to access Henderson Ford.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on September 21, 2021, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 10, 2021, 01:14:46 PM
Opening September 13th in Morgan County:

SB SR 37 exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road
Henderson Ford Road overpass over SR 37 opens
New Harmony Road access road opens on the south side of SR 37 from Henderson Ford Road to Ennis road, where it will connect with SR 37, allowing northbound traffic to access Henderson Ford.
I didnt think that exit would open until 2022, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 21, 2021, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on September 21, 2021, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 10, 2021, 01:14:46 PM
Opening September 13th in Morgan County:

SB SR 37 exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road
Henderson Ford Road overpass over SR 37 opens
New Harmony Road access road opens on the south side of SR 37 from Henderson Ford Road to Ennis road, where it will connect with SR 37, allowing northbound traffic to access Henderson Ford.
I didnt think that exit would open until 2022, am I missing something?

Half is open now. the other half next year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on September 22, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 21, 2021, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on September 21, 2021, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on September 10, 2021, 01:14:46 PM
Opening September 13th in Morgan County:

SB SR 37 exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road
Henderson Ford Road overpass over SR 37 opens
New Harmony Road access road opens on the south side of SR 37 from Henderson Ford Road to Ennis road, where it will connect with SR 37, allowing northbound traffic to access Henderson Ford.
I didnt think that exit would open until 2022, am I missing something?

Half is open now. the other half next year.

Thank you
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on September 24, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
This is a BGS near Henderson Ford Road on SR-37.
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1441043446727331843/photo/1
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 25, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
A few pictures of Section 6, Segment 1, aka the Martinsville segment. Photos were taken Friday, September 24, 2021.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville, Indiana. With the dowel rod assembles in place, paving will soon commence in this vicinity.

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The view in the other direction; looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Couple of girls decided they needed to get from one side to the other, but were too lazy to walk to the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass and its wide sidewalks. In the background near the mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch sits a paving machine.

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Long range perspective looking north toward the State Road 37/Morgan Street access point. Most of the northbound roadway is now paved in the vicinity north of the State Road 44 overpass. After the drainage pipe installation, the concrete paving team will return to pave the shoulder.

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Installation of drainage piping/tubing along the northbound roadway of future I-69 about a 1/2 mile north of the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville; looking west.

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About a 1/2 mile north of the State Road 44 overpass, as a long Friday of work begins to come to a close; looking west.

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Closer view looking north toward the State Road 37/Morgan Street access point. In the background is a section of completed concrete barrier wall.

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Work continued on the installation of the drainage piping as early evening approached; looking west.

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Closer look of the drainage piping work.

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Another view looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. Seems that when the northbound paving pass is completed in this area, the crew will turn around and immediately pave a section of the southbound roadway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 26, 2021, 10:15:01 AM
still a long way to go. i wonder if this will even open in november, i see subbase in the foreground of your 1st picture!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on September 26, 2021, 06:33:30 PM
The progress looks similar to the state that US 31 freeway construction around Kokomo south of SR 26 was in September of 2013. That freeway opened up for Thanksgiving weekend. Based on the photos in this thread, it looks like it is the same contractor (Walsh Construction). They're big enough that they will bring in the necessary resources if it is possible.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 27, 2021, 05:10:48 PM
I headed up to Martinsville on Sunday to take a few more photos of the construction. It only takes me 35 minutes to get into Martinsville proper, and 15 of those are chewed up just getting on I-69 to head north. The weather was perfect, sunny, not too warm or cold. Just north of Bloomington at the Kinser Pike overpass, the speed limit jumps from 55 to 70 mph, so it's a quick zip to Martinsville. Seems, too, like a good number of drivers think that 70 means 80 plus. Law enforcement is aware, so heads up when coming down that hill toward the Liberty Church Road interchange. Likewise, when approaching Bloomington southbound, probably not a good idea to be doing 70 plus in the 55 mph zone.

As I noted in an earlier post, construction of the Martinsville segment (Segment 1 Section 6) is at an inflection point where the road truly begins to take shape. It seems as if paving in one spot or another is taking place nearly everyday now. By the end of October most of the Martinsville segment will be paved, aside from small sections around the mainline bridges over Ohio Street/Artesian Ave. and State Road 252/Hospital Dr. Crews are hard at work on those bridges. Both sets have had their deck pans placed, and the deck pours probably will take place by the end of October. On the south end of the project, the approach slabs of the bridge over Indian Creek on the northbound lanes, are in the process of being redone. Probably a sub base settlement issue. Also, south of the bridge, a couple small roadway slab sections have been cut out. Again, probably a settlement problem. In the vicinity of Burton Lane in Martinsville, paving will soon commence to connect the previously paved mainline sections south with other sections north. Once completed, pavement will then run nearly continuously from the Indian Creek bridges to just south of the mainline bridges over Ohio Street/Artesian Ave.

I'm hesitant to speculate on when the road might be reopened in Martinsville, other than to say that's it going to happen by the end of the year. That's been the plan and I don't see Walsh, the prime contractor, letting that deadline slip. By Thanksgiving? I guess it's possible. At the same time, it's quite possible the pouring of a couple of bridge approach slabs might slip to either late November or early December. Moreover, there's the ramps and traffic circles for the interchange at State Road 252/Hospital Drive, as well as the ramps at the Ohio Street interchange. Might take some time to fully complete those projects. 

To the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, September 26, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Segment 1, aka the Martinsville segment

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Drainage piping installation along the northbound shoulder about a half mile north of the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville; looking north.

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Northbound lanes about a half mile north of the SR 44 overpass; looking north. Looks like the roadway will be four lanes wide in this vicinity.

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Looking northwest from the State Road 44 overpass. Throughout the Martinsville segment the mainline will be concrete, while most, if not all of the interchange ramps, traffic circles, as well as the collector/distributor lane between the SR 252 and SR 44 interchanges, will be asphalt.

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Inside shoulder of the northbound lanes about a half mile north of the SR 44 overpass; looking north. In preparation to paving, the drain openings have been covered with plastic and red tape. Also, that half dowel rod assembly near the drains seems a little high on one end. The last thing that needs to happen is for that assembly to poke through the concrete slab. Probably won't, but why risk it.

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Rebar for the concrete barrier wall; about a half mile north of the SR 44 overpass, looking north. It's going to be a tall barrier, probably upwards of seven feet in certain spots.

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Another look at the concrete slab of the northbound lanes; about a half mile north of the SR 44 overpass, looking north.

More photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 27, 2021, 11:15:23 PM

Another batch. Photos were taken Sunday, September 26, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. On the left, the asphalt strip appears to be the northbound collector/distributor lane between SR 252/Hospital Dr. and SR 44, as well as the corresponding shoulder. In the background, the curving path of I-69, which passes through the gap between the two hills, is discernible.

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Turning around, the view in the opposite direction; looking north from the SR 44 overpass. On the right is the entrance ramp from SR 44.

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Another view of the future on-ramp from State Road 44 to I-69 northbound; looking north.

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Looking north from the SR 44 overpass toward the future southbound lanes of I-69. In the background left is the future exit ramp to SR 44.

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Southbound on-ramp from SR 44; looking slightly southeast. The ramp will lead to the collector/distributor lane, which will run between SR 252/Hospital Drive and SR 44. Drivers who wish to get on I-69 southbound will take the collector/distributor to the western roundabout at the SR 252 interchange, circle halfway around that, then exit onto the entrance ramp to I-69 southbound.

Note: If any of the above is not entirely accurate, including terminology, please chime in. This includes any information that I post. My goal is to be as accurate as possible, whether in photo captions or otherwise.

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Another view looking north from the State Road 44 overpass. It looks as if paving will commence in the next couple of weeks or so between the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Drive and the beginning point of the recent paving activity north of SR 44, which is visible in the background (expand the photo for a better view).

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Signage indicating the future entrance ramp from SR 44 to I-69 northbound; looking east.

It's now just 95 days until the end of the 2021. At this point, the construction of the Martinsville segment is looking good. Real good. Keep in mind, too, that just nine months ago crews were beginning the demolition of State Road 37. A lot has happened over those nine months, and there's still three months to go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 28, 2021, 11:15:26 AM
Last year I made a post on the Indiana Notes thread about my thoughts on Indiana rest areas and what should be done with them. It appears the state is starting to actually tackle the rest areas with an extensive project on updating the welcome centers and adding truck parking to the rest areas throughout the state starting with the recent I-69 welcome center in Steuben County.

Anyway, my interest in this subject showed me something very interesting concerning the I-69 extension in southern Indiana. This article was repeated a few websites last month but this paragraph was interesting to hear:

"Construction of a truck parking facility in Martinsville, as well as a new rest facility at Crane, will be part of the 10-year project. Both will be along sections of Interstate 69, which remains under construction from Martinsville to Indianapolis."

It appears there plans for some services along this corridor after all. I'm wondering if this means a rest area at Exit 87 is in the works and where would this "truck parking facility" be in Martinsville?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 28, 2021, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 28, 2021, 11:15:26 AM
Last year I made a post on the Indiana Notes thread about my thoughts on Indiana rest areas and what should be done with them. It appears the state is starting to actually tackle the rest areas with an extensive project on updating the welcome centers and adding truck parking to the rest areas throughout the state starting with the recent I-69 welcome center in Steuben County.

Anyway, my interest in this subject showed me something very interesting concerning the I-69 extension in southern Indiana. This article was repeated a few websites last month but this paragraph was interesting to hear:

"Construction of a truck parking facility in Martinsville, as well as a new rest facility at Crane, will be part of the 10-year project. Both will be along sections of Interstate 69, which remains under construction from Martinsville to Indianapolis."

It appears there plans for some services along this corridor after all. I'm wondering if this means a rest area at Exit 87 is in the works and where would this "truck parking facility" be in Martinsville?

I'm glad that they are going to be placing a rest area on I-69 between Evansville and Indianapolis.  It is well needed.  They originally had one planned in "Amishland" somewhere near the Odon/Elnora exit, but it was shaved for cost savings.

I am worried about INDOT for some of the things that they are doing with rest areas.  They have discussed closing the rest areas on I-64 near Dale, IN.  They have had a reprieve at least for awhile.  The welcome area near Lanesville has been closed for some time with mounds of dirt and gravel covering the entrance.  That rest area was a newer area than the ones near Dale.  Even though there is a cost to these, I feel that it is a service that state transportation departments should keep. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on September 28, 2021, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 28, 2021, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 28, 2021, 11:15:26 AM
Last year I made a post on the Indiana Notes thread about my thoughts on Indiana rest areas and what should be done with them. It appears the state is starting to actually tackle the rest areas with an extensive project on updating the welcome centers and adding truck parking to the rest areas throughout the state starting with the recent I-69 welcome center in Steuben County.

Anyway, my interest in this subject showed me something very interesting concerning the I-69 extension in southern Indiana. This article was repeated a few websites last month but this paragraph was interesting to hear:

"Construction of a truck parking facility in Martinsville, as well as a new rest facility at Crane, will be part of the 10-year project. Both will be along sections of Interstate 69, which remains under construction from Martinsville to Indianapolis."

It appears there plans for some services along this corridor after all. I'm wondering if this means a rest area at Exit 87 is in the works and where would this "truck parking facility" be in Martinsville?

I'm glad that they are going to be placing a rest area on I-69 between Evansville and Indianapolis.  It is well needed.  They originally had one planned in "Amishland" somewhere near the Odon/Elnora exit, but it was shaved for cost savings.

I am worried about INDOT for some of the things that they are doing with rest areas.  They have discussed closing the rest areas on I-64 near Dale, IN.  They have had a reprieve at least for awhile.  The welcome area near Lanesville has been closed for some time with mounds of dirt and gravel covering the entrance.  That rest area was a newer area than the ones near Dale.  Even though there is a cost to these, I feel that it is a service that state transportation departments should keep.

The rest area on 74 East near Batesville has been torn down, and the entrance and exit ramps ripped out and replaced with grass. The truck parking lot is still there but overgrown with weeds and no paved way to get there. I don't know why INDOT would get rid of the only rest stop between Indy and Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 28, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on September 28, 2021, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on September 28, 2021, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 28, 2021, 11:15:26 AM
Last year I made a post on the Indiana Notes thread about my thoughts on Indiana rest areas and what should be done with them. It appears the state is starting to actually tackle the rest areas with an extensive project on updating the welcome centers and adding truck parking to the rest areas throughout the state starting with the recent I-69 welcome center in Steuben County.

Anyway, my interest in this subject showed me something very interesting concerning the I-69 extension in southern Indiana. This article was repeated a few websites last month but this paragraph was interesting to hear:

"Construction of a truck parking facility in Martinsville, as well as a new rest facility at Crane, will be part of the 10-year project. Both will be along sections of Interstate 69, which remains under construction from Martinsville to Indianapolis."

It appears there plans for some services along this corridor after all. I'm wondering if this means a rest area at Exit 87 is in the works and where would this "truck parking facility" be in Martinsville?

I'm glad that they are going to be placing a rest area on I-69 between Evansville and Indianapolis.  It is well needed.  They originally had one planned in "Amishland" somewhere near the Odon/Elnora exit, but it was shaved for cost savings.

I am worried about INDOT for some of the things that they are doing with rest areas.  They have discussed closing the rest areas on I-64 near Dale, IN.  They have had a reprieve at least for awhile.  The welcome area near Lanesville has been closed for some time with mounds of dirt and gravel covering the entrance.  That rest area was a newer area than the ones near Dale.  Even though there is a cost to these, I feel that it is a service that state transportation departments should keep.

The rest area on 74 East near Batesville has been torn down, and the entrance and exit ramps ripped out and replaced with grass. The truck parking lot is still there but overgrown with weeds and no paved way to get there. I don't know why INDOT would get rid of the only rest stop between Indy and Cincinnati.

1 word: money  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on September 29, 2021, 06:40:04 AM
It is personally sad to see that the rest area on I-74 near Batesville is closed down.  I have a photo taken at that rest area of my wife and I on the first day of our honeymoon with the "Just Married" sign still on my car, on our way to Myrtle Beach from Indianapolis back in '80.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 30, 2021, 01:37:49 AM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on September 28, 2021, 07:58:56 PM
The rest area on 74 East near Batesville has been torn down, and the entrance and exit ramps ripped out and replaced with grass. The truck parking lot is still there but overgrown with weeds and no paved way to get there. I don't know why INDOT would get rid of the only rest stop between Indy and Cincinnati.

Rest area buildings, like any other built structure, age and degrade. At some point, rather than expending additional funds to repair and upkeep a decrepit facility, it make more sense to do a tear down. I have no idea how old the Batesville facility was, but if I had to guess, I'd say 30 plus years. At that age, it's usefulness was drawing to an end, particularly if the plumbing was becoming an issue, which it probably was. On a more positive note, good chance the facility will be rebuilt when funds become available. That's just my gut feeling.

Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on September 29, 2021, 06:40:04 AM
It is personally sad to see that the rest area on I-74 near Batesville is closed down.  I have a photo taken at that rest area of my wife and I on the first day of our honeymoon with the "Just Married" sign still on my car, on our way to Myrtle Beach from Indianapolis back in '80.

To bring back memories, here's that old Batesville rest area as captured by Google Streetview:

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Courtesy Google Maps, Google Streetview
Eastbound I-74 Batesville, IN, rest area facility, now demolished.

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Overhead view of the eastbound I-74 Batesville rest area, now closed.

As for the new truck parking planned for Martinsville, the only location that seems feasible to me is near the I-69/State Road 39 interchange. There's a nice chunk of land on Southview Drive just west of Burton Lane that looks very suitable.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 30, 2021, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 30, 2021, 01:37:49 AM

Rest area buildings, like any other built structure, age and degrade. At some point, rather than expending additional funds to repair and upkeep a decrepit facility, it make more sense to do a tear down. I have no idea how old the Batesville facility was, but if I had to guess, I'd say 30 plus years. At that age, it's usefulness was drawing to an end, particularly if the plumbing was becoming an issue, which it probably was. On a more positive note, good chance the facility will be rebuilt when funds become available. That's just my gut feeling.


Oh the Batesville rest area is much newer than that. At the earliest it was rebuilt in the 90s if not the early 2000s. I remember stopping there sometime in the last 15 years to head to a funeral in that part of the state and it looked pretty new. Certainly newer than any of the rest areas along I-65. The westbound rest area is a similar design and the its construction was around the same time. That's why getting rid of it made little sense. Apparently Indiana's coffers are much better off without it.

Besides the obvious answer of the state not wanting to maintain it I figured it's location had a little to do with closing it. Most of the traffic along I-74 might be bound for Cincinnati. The state probably figured that anyone wanting a rest area could wait to use them along I-75 north or south of Cincinnati, or along I-71 if one was heading that way. It's stupid either way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on September 30, 2021, 08:50:32 AM
At the least, states should provide more parking for trucks. Coming back on I-64 in the middle of the night last week, the rest areas were completely full of trucks and trucks were stopped at every interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 30, 2021, 09:36:53 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 30, 2021, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 30, 2021, 01:37:49 AM

Rest area buildings, like any other built structure, age and degrade. At some point, rather than expending additional funds to repair and upkeep a decrepit facility, it make more sense to do a tear down. I have no idea how old the Batesville facility was, but if I had to guess, I'd say 30 plus years. At that age, it's usefulness was drawing to an end, particularly if the plumbing was becoming an issue, which it probably was. On a more positive note, good chance the facility will be rebuilt when funds become available. That's just my gut feeling.


Oh the Batesville rest area is much newer than that. At the earliest it was rebuilt in the 90s if not the early 2000s. I remember stopping there sometime in the last 15 years to head to a funeral in that part of the state and it looked pretty new. Certainly newer than any of the rest areas along I-65. The westbound rest area is a similar design and the its construction was around the same time. That's why getting rid of it made little sense. Apparently Indiana's coffers are much better off without it.

Besides the obvious answer of the state not wanting to maintain it I figured it's location had a little to do with closing it. Most of the traffic along I-74 might be bound for Cincinnati. The state probably figured that anyone wanting a rest area could wait to use them along I-75 north or south of Cincinnati, or along I-71 if one was heading that way. It's stupid either way.
Indiana...like a lot of other states...closed many of its rest areas in the early 2010s during the budget crises stemming from the 2008 economic meltdown. Some of them were never reopened, while a few were either reopened as-is or rebuilt and reopened. IIRC, two rest areas on I-69, one on the northbound side between Fort Wayne and Auburn was rebuilt and reopened, and a second one on the southbound side about 10 miles south of Fort Wayne was reopened. I don't know if INDOT rebuilt the latter rest area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 30, 2021, 11:18:56 AM
They never reopened the one on I-69 south of Fort Wayne. Only the northbound/southbound pair near Muncie. So there's two rest areas in each direction along I-69 between Indy and Michigan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on September 30, 2021, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 30, 2021, 11:18:56 AM
They never reopened the one on I-69 south of Fort Wayne. Only the northbound/southbound pair near Muncie. So there's two rest areas in each direction along I-69 between Indy and Michigan.
That's not too bad.  My biggest peeve is when there are no rest areas for 100 plus miles.  Makes one want to deny themselves, coffee, tea, or soda because you know what is coming next.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 30, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 30, 2021, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 30, 2021, 01:37:49 AM

Rest area buildings, like any other built structure, age and degrade. At some point, rather than expending additional funds to repair and upkeep a decrepit facility, it make more sense to do a tear down. I have no idea how old the Batesville facility was, but if I had to guess, I'd say 30 plus years. At that age, it's usefulness was drawing to an end, particularly if the plumbing was becoming an issue, which it probably was. On a more positive note, good chance the facility will be rebuilt when funds become available. That's just my gut feeling.


Oh the Batesville rest area is much newer than that. At the earliest it was rebuilt in the 90s if not the early 2000s. I remember stopping there sometime in the last 15 years to head to a funeral in that part of the state and it looked pretty new. Certainly newer than any of the rest areas along I-65. The westbound rest area is a similar design and the its construction was around the same time. That's why getting rid of it made little sense. Apparently Indiana's coffers are much better off without it.

Besides the obvious answer of the state not wanting to maintain it I figured it's location had a little to do with closing it. Most of the traffic along I-74 might be bound for Cincinnati. The state probably figured that anyone wanting a rest area could wait to use them along I-75 north or south of Cincinnati, or along I-71 if one was heading that way. It's stupid either way.

I reached to INDOT about the closure and demolition of the Batesville rest area. The response was more general than specific. Last year, according to INDOT, an evaluation of interstate rest areas in Indiana was undertaken. This process identified several locations as having a combination of (1) low usage, (2) high operating and maintenance costs, and (3) ongoing public safety challenges. The results of the evaluation led to a decision to close some rest areas. Also, there are no plans to rebuild the eastbound I-74 Batesville rest area.

So, it appears it was a budget decision. But exactly why the eastbound Batesville rest area was closed and torn down while the westbound one remains standing and in use wasn't quite answered. What was it about the eastbound rest area that led to its demise? If I had to guess I'd say maintenance issues and costs were becoming problematic. Safety issues probably played a factor, too. It's easy to overlook, but with staffing, the cost of a rest area can easily mount. Additional safety features, such as closed circuit cameras, now probably a necessity, push up costs too. It's a shame INDOT decided to close the Batesville facility, but sometimes these decisions have to be made.

By the way I came across a  help wanted notice  (https://nhrinc.betterteam.com/rest-area-attendant-batesville-in)for a Rest Area Attendant at the currently operating westbound Batesville rest area. Full time. Main responsibilities: "... providing janitorial maintenance and groundskeeping services at the assigned rest area location to ensure a clean, sanitary, and safe environment for motorists using those facilities."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 30, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
To shift gears, here's another set of pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, September 26, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the northbound mainline bridge over Sartor Ditch in Martinsville, Indiana.

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Slightly different perspective; looking north. In the foreground is a bridge deck finisher. This equipment likely will be shifted to the Ohio Street work zone for the deck pours of the mainline bridges there.

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Long range perspective looking north from near the mainline bridges over Ohio Street/Artesian Ave.

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Southbound mainline bridge over Sartor Ditch; looking northwest.

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Future entrance ramp from Ohio Street/Artesian Ave. to I-69 northbound; looking north.

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Ohio Street work zone; looking northeast. The path in front of the dozer will become the northbound exit ramp to Ohio Street/Artesian Ave.

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Crane at the Ohio Street work zone; looking northeast.

Construction of the Martinsville segment is progressing at a fervid pace. According to the most recent I-69 Finish Line  update,  (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-september-27-2021/) the deck pours for the mainline bridges over Ohio Street are slated for next week. Seems like the bridge beams were just placed yesterday (actually, just before Labor Day) and now they're doing the deck pours. No doubt, Walsh is putting the pedal to the metal.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 30, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
A few more. Again, photos were taken Sunday, September 26, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Teeters Road overpass work zone just north of Martinsville, Indiana.

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The east abutment and middle bent of the Teeters Road overpass; looking east. Construction of this bridge is scheduled to complete next year.

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State Road 252/Hospital Road work zone in Martinsville; looking north. On the right is the southbound mainline bridge over SR 252. The State Road 44 overpass is in the background.

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The beginnings of the western traffic roundabout at the future I-69/SR 252-Hospital interchange; looking northeast. The roundabout's curb will be built without forms, using only stakes and a stringline. How that's done can be seen in this video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOaS6elV2s)

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Another perspective of the western traffic circle at the future SR 252 interchange; looking northwest. The gap in the row of stakes is where the future southbound exit ramp will join the roundabout.

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Looking north from near the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Drive. Blocks of geoform still remain on site if needed.

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The southern abutment of the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking south. Note the blocks of geoform, used instead of typical gravel backfill to form the abutment.

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Unused geoform blocks on site at the SR 252 work zone; looking northeast. Really tough, strong material. Rather light in weight, a little like styrofoam, but somewhat heavier and much more dense. I got the feeling one could take a sledgehammer, give it a few whacks, but only scuff it up a bit. It can be cut, however, with sections both small and large to be used as needed. The road in the background is SR 252, heading east toward Morgantown and beyond.

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Another view of the SR 252/Hospital Dr. work zone; looking east. Most of that mound of soil-like material will be removed as construction moves forward. It's mostly sand and has been dumped there to compress the material underneath and to enhance settlement. At some point, the engineers will come in bringing their little gadgets, testing whether the compressed material has met the specs for density, etc. The truck pictured was not involved with the project; he had pulled over to use the portable toilet.

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Another perspective looking north from the south abutment of the northbound mainline bridge over SR252/Hospital Drive.

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Tubing for underground utilities near the Ohio Street/Artesian Ave. work zone; looking northeast. That's a lot of tubes going into the ground. To hazard a guess, these tubes will probably carry the electrical conduits for lighting fixtures, both standalone and on signs.

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Mid-range view looking north from near the Teeters Road overpass work zone.

Lots is happening with construction both in Martinsville and further north. I'll try to shoot another set of pictures as we get into October.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 04, 2021, 01:33:10 AM
A few more pictures. I didn't have much to do Sunday afternoon, so I hopped in the car and headed north to Martinsville for another look-see. It had only been a week since my last visit, but construction progress is clearly evident. Photos were taken Sunday, October 3, 2021, unless otherwise noted. Remember, the photos are expandable. Right click, etc., or follow whatever works best for your browser.

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Looking west toward the Henderson Ford Road overpass and future interchange. At this time, only the southbound exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road is open. The northbound entrance ramp from Henderson Ford appears to be nearing completion.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. Last week, a wide strip of concrete pavement was put down on the northbound roadway beginning at the mainline bridge over Sartor ditch. In the background, the slipform paving machine sits, primed to pave a strip on the southbound roadway.

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Turning around, looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. In the background is the gentle rise to the mainline bridges over Ohio Street.

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Construction of the new northbound mainline bridge over Stotts Creek in Morgan County; looking northeast.

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The future northbound lanes of I-69 and the northern closure point of State Road 37 in Martinsville; looking north from about a half mile north of the State Road 44 overpass. The inside shoulder is now paved. Work to install the drainage piping appears to nearing completion, too.

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The view in the other direction; looking south. In the background (better seen if the photo is expanded), a barrier slipform paver has been positioned to begin paving the concrete barrier wall. Also, of note, it appears a change order of some sort was issued, as the geosynthetic moisture barrier sheeting has been pulled back to facilitate the excavation of a trench on the inside shoulder of the southbound lanes. This is partially visible, too, in the above picture.

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The former northbound lanes of State Road 37; looking slightly northeast from the SR 37/Ennis Road intersection just north of the Henderson Ford Road overpass. With the closure of the SR 37/Henderson Ford Road intersection, a temporary traffic signal has been installed at Ennis Road to facilitate local access to SR 37.

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Long range view looking west toward the Henderson Ford Road overpass and future interchange. On the left is New Harmony Road, one of the new, recently completed frontage roads. Running across the frame is Ennis Road. The temporary traffic light at the SR 37/Ennis Road intersection is to the right, just out of the frame.

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Looking north toward the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County. The pavement in the foreground is a soon-to-open, new access point to and from State Road 37 for First United Methodist Church.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 05, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
Yesterday, I was able to take some pictures of paving in Martinsville. Photos were taken Monday, October 4, 2021.

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Paving a section of the future southbound lanes of I-69 just north of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville; looking north.

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Closer look at the slipform paver and the paving operation; looking north. The paving crew numbered about 15.

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Slightly different perspective.

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Long range view. The paving machine moved slowly, but over a few minutes visible progress was noticeable. Looks like at this point in time the machine had been momentarily paused.

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Closer look at the paving operation.

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The operator of the slipform paver and head guy in charge.

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Another long range view; looking north. Dump trucks loaded with fresh concrete were entering the work zone at Ohio Street. Crossing the new northbound mainline bridge over Sartor Ditch, the trucks headed north to end of the paved northbound lane where they swung around and came down the southbound roadway.

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Another look. In the background, the curing compound is being applied. Just in front of that a team of two drag burlap to texture the slab. This duo was responsible for hand tining the concrete as well.

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One more, a long range perspective. Behind the paver the team of two mentioned above are are in the process of tining the slab. The tining tool, which resembles a rake, is reached across the concrete, lowered, then drawn across.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 05, 2021, 08:20:41 PM
i drove 37 for the first time to evansville, normally i take 67 to 39. i wonder if the martinsville section will open, then will end at the 2 lane section that currently exists north of morgan st. i don't see that section finished any time soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on October 07, 2021, 03:40:45 PM
Hand tined? Isn't there a machine that handles that now?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 07, 2021, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: seicer on October 07, 2021, 03:40:45 PM
Hand tined? Isn't there a machine that handles that now?
There is mechanized tining, but it is harder to do at an angle by machine like these workers are doing. To reduce roadway surface noise, the tining is supposed to be done in a random pattern within certain tolerances, and I guess nothing is more random than two guys with a tining tool. But you'd think there would be a more efficient way of doing this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 13, 2021, 02:25:21 PM

Some more pictures. Had to go to IND, so I made a stop in Martinsville on the way. Considering the pace of construction, these images will stale quickly, so here they are. Photos were taken Saturday, October 9, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville.

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Closer look. Sections of the mainline are now paved between the bridges over Ohio Street (background, right) and the mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch (mid-frame).

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The view in the other direction; looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. A crew was at work late in the afternoon on Saturday placing dowel rod assemblies. In the background is the State Road 44 overpass.

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Closer look using the long range lens.

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Another perspective; looking north from about a quarter mile north of the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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Looking south toward the State Road 44 overpass.

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Lighting fixtures, to be installed near the State Road 44 interchange; looking slightly northwest.

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View looking north from about a quarter mile north of the SR 44 overpass. On the left are the future northbound lanes which have yet to paved with concrete. The asphalt is for the collector-distributor lane, the northbound entrance ramp from SR 44, and the shoulder. Another layer, or two, of asphalt is forthcoming, building up the roadway to the top of the drain.

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Another look, looking south toward the State Road 44 overpass.

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And, again, looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. As the afternoon waned, work continued on cutting joints in the recently paved concrete slab (background).

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 13, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
A few more pictures. Since I wasn't able to check out everything I wanted to on Saturday, I returned to Martinsville on Sunday. Besides it was a nice, sunny day and a good excuse to get out of the house. Photos were taken Sunday, October 10, 2021, unless otherwise identified.

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Picking up from the last photo set; looking north from about a quarter mile north of the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. Paving of the median barrier has commenced.

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Another perspective of the barrier wall.

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But something occurred as paving progressed. Don't really want to speculate what happened, other than to say that something obviously wasn't right.

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Tearing apart a section of the recently paved barrier wall.

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The slipform paver of the barrier wall. Neglected to get the model. Maybe next time.

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View from underneath the slipform paver and the stringline used to guide it.

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Looking north from near the mainline bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Dr. in Martinsville. In the background is SR 44 overpass.

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Nearing completion of the final MSE wall at the future Ohio Street interchange; looking northeast.

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A panel of the MSE wall with attached stringers; looking south.

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Mainline bridges over Ohio Street in Martinsville; looking northeast. In the background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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Bridge deck finisher and the railing it rides on.

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Northbound mainline bridge over Ohio Street. The deck pour either occurred yesterday or is ongoing today. Don't know which span they did first. But if you're reading this on Wednesday afternoon, a crew is likely hard at work, doing the deck pour of one of the bridges over Ohio Street.

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Another perspective of the Ohio Street work zone; looking northeast. In the deep background is the State Road 44 overpass.

Lots of pictures posted of late. Probably too many. Then again the construction season is quickly coming to an end. Only 11 weeks to go before the Martinsville segment is scheduled to be opened.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on October 16, 2021, 11:33:47 PM
Drove down to Bloomington for the football game. Noticed that SR-37 south of SR-144 has I-69 mile markers up. Since I was driving I did not take pictures of them. Nevertheless, the mile markers go nearly to the Morgan St temp ending. The mile markers are the blue & white markers, not the mixed match markers used on I-69 near Bloomington.
Driving back the traffic was backed-up from Indian Creek on northbound SR-37. But, that gave me an opportunity to notice the SR-39 interchange looks 85% complete by my eye test. Too bad the railroad crossing on SR-37 is one lane. The jam would be greatly reduced if that were 2 lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 17, 2021, 02:23:38 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on October 16, 2021, 11:33:47 PM
Driving back the traffic was backed-up from Indian Creek on northbound SR-37. But, that gave me an opportunity to notice the SR-39 interchange looks 85% complete by my eye test. Too bad the railroad crossing on SR-37 is one lane. The jam would be greatly reduced if that were 2 lanes.

Yup. I was again up that way, and the backup was significant. To avoid the congestion, a good number of vehicles were exiting at the Liberty Church Road interchange and then taking Burton Lane to Martinsville. In fact, so many cars were doing this that Southview Drive was bumper to bumper between Burton Lane and Ohio Street. Evidently, a lot of drivers have now figured out the Martinsville workarounds to get back onto State Road 37 just north of town at the Morgan Street juncture.

Couple of pictures:

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Showing the flag. The scene at the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange in Morgan County, Indiana, late in the afternoon Saturday, October 16, 2021. He was up there for at least an hour. Cars traveling northbound on I-69 were periodically honking their appreciation and approval.

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Closer look.

I wasn't planning to take construction pictures in Martinsville, but I happened upon a paving operation near the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Well, as you probably guessed, I snapped off a few. I'll try to get a couple posted in the next day or so. In the meantime, they're uploaded on my I-69 Construction Flickr page (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/with/51597959111/), available for viewing if interested.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 18, 2021, 10:52:05 PM
A few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, October 17, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from near the mainline bridges over Ohio Street in Martinsville, Indiana. On the right is the future entrance ramp from Ohio Street to I-69 northbound. In the mid-background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Further back is the State Road 44 overpass.

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Mainline bridges over State Road 39/Morton Ave. at the future I-69/SR 39 interchange in Martinsville; looking north.

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Looking north from near the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass (pictured). The paving crew, which had been hard at work the day prior, Saturday, Oct. 16th, decided to end the day at this spot.

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Long range view looking north from near the mainline bridges over Ohio Street in Martinsville.

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Closer look. The sidewalls of the mainline bridges over Sartor Ditch are partially visible mid-frame.

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Mainline bridges over Ohio Street in Martinsville; looking north. Deck pours took place last week.

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Underneath the mainline bridges at the future State Road 39 interchange; looking northwest. It looks like two more layers of asphalt remain to be put down. Traffic on Morton Ave./SR 39 is in the background.

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Another view looking north from near the mainline bridges over Ohio Street.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 18, 2021, 11:35:29 PM
Oops. Forgot about the paving pictures which I mentioned earlier. The work day was coming to an end, but I was able to snap a few as the crew finished up. Photos were taken Saturday, October 16, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Subcontractor Milestone Contractors LP paving a wide slab of concrete for the future northbound lanes of I-69 near the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville, Indiana; looking slightly northwest. The paving operation involved three pieces of equipment — a spreader, a slipform paver, and a texture/cure machine. Pictured are the spreader (right) and slipform paver (left).

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Loads of trucked-in fresh concrete were deposited in a hopper attached to the spreader.

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The hopper rises to empty the concrete to the ground. Note the wood in the dowel rod assembly. That's the end point for the day's paving.

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Behind the slipform paver, members of the paving crew smooth out any uneven spots and remove excess water from the slab. About 50 yards further back was the texture/cure machine, which tined the slab and applied the curing compound. The slipform paver model was a GOMACO GP4. More details about this machine can be found here. (https://www.gomaco.com/Resources/gp4_paver.html)

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Another view.

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Momentary pause in the action as the crew awaits the arrival of more trucks ferrying in the fresh concrete; looking northwest.

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It's back to work as a truck arrives.

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Just a few more feet to go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 22, 2021, 12:26:31 AM

Had some extra time, so I went up to Martinsville for another look-see. Significant progress is clearly evident since my visit last week. Photos were taken Thursday, October 21, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville, Indiana. Crews have started to remove the surcharge load just south of the mainline bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Drive. For those unfamiliar with the term surcharge, it means a load placed on top of the ground to help compress the material beneath. This is often done when constructing an apron at an airport, where the ground must be very hard and stable.

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Closer look using the long range lens. Two excavators were going at it, with several large articulated dump trucks maneuvering in and out. Wasn't so easy getting a sharp photo as it was a bit windy and I wasn't using a tripod.

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The view in the other direction; looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Paving is now nearly complete between the mainline bridges over Ohio Street and the surcharge area south of SR 252/Hospital Dr.

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Closer look. On the right is the future southbound exit ramp to Ohio Street.

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Looking north toward the temporary northern closure point of the Martinsville segment. Almost all of the median barrier wall is now complete.

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Slightly closer look. To complete the final stretch of the wall, the crew has replaced the tall mold (right) previously on the slipform paver with a shorter one.

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The view in the other direction; looking south. In the background is the State Road 44 overpass. With the completion of the median barrier wall, construction activity is going to pick up in this vicinity soon.

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Another look north toward the surcharge area just south of the bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.

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And one more, a long range view looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: evvroads on October 23, 2021, 08:39:38 AM
Thanks for the pictures and continued updates. I don't post here much, but I enjoy your posts. What would the purpose be for constructing/removing a surcharge load in that one area? Was there a lot of fill in that area they were wanting to make sure didn't settle too much or something?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 23, 2021, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: evvroads on October 23, 2021, 08:39:38 AM
Thanks for the pictures and continued updates. I don't post here much, but I enjoy your posts. What would the purpose be for constructing/removing a surcharge load in that one area? Was there a lot of fill in that area they were wanting to make sure didn't settle too much or something?

We did much the same thing for a bridge over the Illinois River. The soils under the bridge approaches were weak and spongy, and it was predicted that if we just went ahead and built an embankment and the approach roadway on top of it, there would be over a foot of settlement after the road was built. So we built the embankment with a series of wick drains, and put more dirt on top than was ordinarily needed, and let it sit for a year. The soils underneath were therefore compressed and settled out before the excess earth was removed and the final roadway built, and very little further settlement occurred.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 24, 2021, 01:49:59 AM
Quote from: evvroads on October 23, 2021, 08:39:38 AM
Thanks for the pictures and continued updates. I don't post here much, but I enjoy your posts. What would the purpose be for constructing/removing a surcharge load in that one area? Was there a lot of fill in that area they were wanting to make sure didn't settle too much or something?

A lot of fill had to be placed in order to bring the mainline over State Road 252/Hospital Drive. The surcharge was then placed over the fill material to enhance settlement. The goal is to ensure that any settlement which may occur takes place before construction of the road begins.

Here are some earlier photos of the SR 252 construction zone:

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass toward State Road 252/Hospital Drive. This was taken just 16 days after State Road 37 was closed January 2, 2021, in Martinsville. State Road 252, which had intersected SR 37 at grade, runs horizontally across the frame. In the background pile driving was underway for the State Road 44 overpass. Photo was taken January 18, 2021.

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The view about four months later. Photo was taken April 4, 2021.

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Closer look. April 4, 2021.

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The geoform blocks used to form the south abutment of the mainline bridges over State Road 252; looking southeast. Photo was taken May 8, 2021.

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The surcharge mound; looking southeast. Crews are now in the process of removing that material. Photo was taken September 2, 2021.

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Another early view looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. Photo was taken January 18, 2021.

Edit: Swapped out a photo for another.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on October 24, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
Interesting tidbit about surcharge loads - I had no idea there was a specific term for that. I wonder if that would have helped settle the many, many dips along US 35 in West Virginia.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: evvroads on October 24, 2021, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 24, 2021, 01:49:59 AM
Quote from: evvroads on October 23, 2021, 08:39:38 AM
Thanks for the pictures and continued updates. I don't post here much, but I enjoy your posts. What would the purpose be for constructing/removing a surcharge load in that one area? Was there a lot of fill in that area they were wanting to make sure didn't settle too much or something?

A lot of fill had to be placed in order to bring the mainline over State Road 252/Hospital Drive. The surcharge was then placed over the fill material to enhance settlement. The goal is to ensure that any settlement which may occur takes place before construction of the road begins.

Here are some earlier photos of the SR 252 construction zone:


Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 07, 2021, 05:13:02 PM

Over the weekend I took some more photos of construction in Martinsville. Crews are working long days to move this project toward its conclusion. On Saturday, two asphalt paving teams were going at it, plus work was vigorously continuing to finish removing the surcharge material near the future I-69/State Road 252 interchange. There's still a lot of work to be done, but significant progress is clearly evident.

Photos were taken Friday, November 5, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking northwest toward the mainline from Twin Branch Road, located just north of Martinsville. Paving is now underway on the southbound lanes, both at this location and between the State Road 44 overpass and the mainline bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Drive.

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The view from the other direction; looking south.

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Looking slightly southeast from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville.

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Different perspective looking south. In the background, work continues to remove the surcharge material near the future SR 252 interchange.

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Looking north from the SR 44 overpass. Northbound one strip remains to paved with concrete, and that work appears to be imminent. On the right is the future northbound entrance ramp from SR 44.

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Another perspective looking northeast from the State Road 44 overpass.

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Working on the concrete barrier wall about half mile north of the SR 44 overpass. They were drilling into the barrier for what reason I don't know. Maybe for a electrical conduit, but that's just a guess.

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Long range view looking northwest toward the northern closure point of the Martinsville segment. And, yes, the guy dropped down. Another team member soon arrived in a vehicle and they zoomed off to enjoy Friday night.

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One more looking south from the SR 44 overpass with dust billowing across the work zone.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 08, 2021, 12:10:53 AM

Another batch. Photos were taken Saturday, November 6, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. Removal of the surcharge south of the mainline bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Dr. is nearly complete.

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Closer look. On the left is a small section of the future southbound entrance ramp from SR 252/Hospital Dr.

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Another perspective of the surcharge removal; looking north.

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And one more; looking slightly northwest.

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Paving the southbound exit ramp to Ohio Street in Martinsville; looking southeast.

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Another view of the paving activity on the southbound exit ramp.

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After finishing what they needed to do on the southbound exit ramp, the paving crew shifted to the northbound entrance ramp from Ohio Street.

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The northbound entrance ramp from Ohio Street; looking north. In the background is the State Road 44 overpass, and in front of that is the work zone where the surcharge is being removed.

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As evening approached, the paving crew was still at work; looking north from near Ohio Street.

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Another perspective as the work day came to an end.

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Future northbound exit ramp to Ohio Street; looking east. With the sun low in the sky, a wan yellowish light washed over the landscape.

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Looking northeast toward the mainline bridges over Ohio Street. On the right is the northbound exit ramp.

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Another view looking slightly northeast toward the mainline bridges over Ohio Street. The road in the foreground is Southview Drive.

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Again, looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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And, again, a closer look.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on November 08, 2021, 06:37:15 AM
Is that supposed to be completed this month?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 08, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 08, 2021, 06:37:15 AM
Is that supposed to be completed this month?



I'm hearing late december now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 08, 2021, 12:26:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 08, 2021, 06:37:15 AM
Is that supposed to be completed this month?
New Year's Day is the current opening date.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 08, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 08, 2021, 12:26:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 08, 2021, 06:37:15 AM
Is that supposed to be completed this month?
New Year's Day is the current opening date.
As long as they don't get a rough winter. If the temperature plummets and there's a lot of snow between now and New Year's, you'll probably see the reopening of the Martinsville section pushed back into the spring of next year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 08, 2021, 03:27:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 08, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 08, 2021, 06:37:15 AM
Is that supposed to be completed this month?

I'm hearing late december now.

Yes, substantial completion in either mid- or late-December seems to be more accurate than not. At this time, most of the Martinsville segment is complete or nearly so. But there are areas where there's still a lot of work to do, namely the State Road 252 interchange.

In terms of mainline paving, here's what remains to be done:

- about 300 yards of mainline both southbound and northbound, south of the bridges over Ohio Street
- about a quarter mile of mainline, again both southbound and northbound, south of the bridges over State Road 252/Hospital Drive (this is area where the surcharge was placed)
- about a mile of mainline, southbound, north of the State Road 44 overpass; also one narrow strip northbound between the bridge over SR 252 and the SR 37/Morgan Street crossing

These areas are all depicted in the recent photos posted above.

As for the paving of ramps:

- all complete or nearly so at the State Road 39 interchange (the final configuration of the interchange with its roundabouts will complete in 2022)
- two of the four at the future Ohio Street interchange have received at least two layers; the northbound exit ramp and southbound entrance ramp are unpaved
- three of the four ramps at the State Road 44 interchange are nearly completely paved; the northbound exit ramp is unpaved
- one of four at the State Road 252 interchange has received at least a layer of asphalt

The ramps requiring work likely will be paved up in the next couple of weeks or so, with the exception of those at the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange. That interchange will be the last major component of the Martinsville segment to complete. By far, it's been the most complex, requiring the use of geofoam blocks and significant fill, which was topped with a huge surcharge mound.

Good weather with above average temperatures is expected for most of this week, the second of November, so that's a plus. Colder air is forecast to move in late in the week, but just a little below normal. If temperatures remain around normal for the next three or four weeks, there should few problems completing the paving components of the project. In south-central Indiana, accumulating snow is unusual in November and early December, although there are snow flurries from time to time. However, it can get cold with night temps dropping into the 20s. According to the weather website Wunderground, the average high temperature for Indianapolis at the end of November is 46, the low 30. Martinsville is 25 miles south of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 11, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Yesterday, I had to go to Greenwood. As I drove through the construction on State Road 37 between Martinsville and Smith Valley Road, I was struck by the tremendous progress that has been made. The entire zone was alive with construction. On the way back I was able to make a quick stop in Martinsville. There, too, the construction zone was a beehive of activity.

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Paving the southbound lanes between the State Road 44 overpass and the temporary northern closure point of State Road 37 just north of Martinsville; looking slightly northwest from Twin Branch Road. It's possible this paving crew was just beginning their day and would be working well into the night.

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The view in the other direction. In the background is the State Road 44 overpass. On the northbound lanes, it appears some sort of rework around the drain grates is underway, as dowel rod assemblies have been yanked up for access. Once that task is completed that last strip likely will be scheduled for paving.

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Cutting joints into the concrete near the median barrier wall north of the State Road 44 overpass; looking west.

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Closer look of the paving activity that was pictured above.

This weekend or next I'm going to try to get further north into the construction zone for some picture taking. Compared to a jaunt to Martinsville, going further north is a more substantial time sink. But a lot is happening, and any new photos, of course, will be shared.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 12, 2021, 09:24:10 AM
They are certainly making hay while the sun shines. Crews will need to get as much done with the mild fall weather, as we're getting into the timeframe where an Arctic blast that could shut down the project, could happen at any moment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 12, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
I wonder if there is the thinking of getting one carrigeway completely done so there will be enough in place to open as A super 2 if a shutdown weather event occurs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 12, 2021, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on November 12, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
I wonder if there is the thinking of getting one carrigeway completely done so there will be enough in place to open as A super 2 if a shutdown weather event occurs.

i doubt it. i think this road will open by late december. mainline at least.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 12, 2021, 01:03:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Yesterday, I had to go to Greenwood. As I drove through the construction on State Road 37 between Martinsville and Smith Valley Road, I was struck by the tremendous progress that has been made. The entire zone was alive with construction. On the way back I was able to make a quick stop in Martinsville. There, too, the construction zone was a beehive of activity.

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Paving the southbound lanes between the State Road 44 overpass and the temporary northern closure point of State Road 37 just north of Martinsville; looking slightly northwest from Twin Branch Road. It's possible this paving crew was just beginning their day and would be working well into the night.

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The view in the other direction. In the background is the State Road 44 overpass. On the northbound lanes, it appears some sort of rework around the drain grates is underway, as dowel rod assemblies have been yanked up for access. Once that task is completed that last strip likely will be scheduled for paving.

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Cutting joints into the concrete near the median barrier wall north of the State Road 44 overpass; looking west.

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Closer look of the paving activity that was pictured above.

This weekend or next I'm going to try to get further north into the construction zone for some picture taking. Compared to a jaunt to Martinsville, going further north is a more substantial time sink. But a lot is happening, and any new photos, of course, will be shared.

Just ask yourself, what more important, spending time with family and friends, or taking photos for random strangers  (emphasis on strange) on the internet?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on November 12, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
^^^^ just ask yourself, what's more important, taking photos online for strangers instead of spending time with friends and family or complaining about others taking photos instead of spending time with friends and family.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 12, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
he's not taking photos of random strangers, he's taking photos of the job, random strangers just so happen to be in it. INDOT literally does this all the time!  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on November 12, 2021, 02:57:55 PM
^ He said "for" strangers, as in, us, the road community.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 12, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
^^^^ just ask yourself, what's more important, taking photos online for strangers instead of spending time with friends and family or complaining about others taking photos instead of spending time with friends and family.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on November 12, 2021, 03:00:16 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 12, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
he's not taking photos of random strangers, he's taking photos of the job, random strangers just so happen to be in it. INDOT literally does this all the time!  :-D
He just doesn't get paid. There's a guy documenting the CASHR project with incredible detail who does it for a hobby. Always amazes me they don't hire the guy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 12, 2021, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 12, 2021, 02:57:55 PM
^ He said "for" strangers, as in, us, the road community.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 12, 2021, 02:17:46 PM
^^^^ just ask yourself, what's more important, taking photos online for strangers instead of spending time with friends and family or complaining about others taking photos instead of spending time with friends and family.

:-D ah my mistake. o well i enjoy the photos!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 12, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
This is probably the most well-documented ongoing project on this forum.  Hell, 15 years ago I think this thread inspired me to go on a few photo sprees in my area for a while.
And it's still rolling.

Frankly, it'll be a sad day when it's all done and we don't get a splurge of photos every couple of weeks from ITB.  You'll need a new project to document the shit out of, man!
(Maybe they'll start the OH river bridge just in time. ;) )
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on November 12, 2021, 11:50:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned, ITB is the gold standard for how to document a road project. I certainly model my paltry construction posts after his.

I've been watching the ideas and planning for the I-69 extension for my entire adult life. I remember driving the long slog down IN 37 from Indianapolis to Bloomington for my band fraternity conference in 2002 and thinking that this really needed to be I-69 and a freeway. And thanks to ITB for documenting this transformation-this road geek appreciates the heck out of it!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on November 13, 2021, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 12, 2021, 01:03:35 PM
Just ask yourself, what more important, spending time with family and friends, or taking photos for random strangers  (emphasis on strange) on the internet?
Where did he even say he was visiting family?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on November 13, 2021, 01:38:00 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on November 13, 2021, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 12, 2021, 01:03:35 PM
Just ask yourself, what more important, spending time with family and friends, or taking photos for random strangers  (emphasis on strange) on the internet?
Where did he even say he was visiting family?
Hopefully we random strangers become friends based upon our shared interest.  We all take time out of our lives to spend on things outside of "spending time with family and friends" such perhaps as getting on boards and reviewing posts and posting our own....Ooops.  Guilty.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 13, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Never have i had a one line joke generate so much discussion...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on November 13, 2021, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 13, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Never have i had a one line joke generate so much discussion...
First time for everything.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 13, 2021, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on November 12, 2021, 11:50:17 PM
I've been watching the ideas and planning for the I-69 extension for my entire adult life. I remember driving the long slog down IN 37 from Indianapolis to Bloomington for my band fraternity conference in 2002 and thinking that this really needed to be I-69 and a freeway.

You're lucky.  I grew up in Bloomington and remember the longer slog down 37 when it was only 2 lanes, and it (as well as 45, 46, and 48) went through the city.  The west bypass that is now I-69 opened right about the time I got my drivers license, in 1972.  Two-lane 37 was one of the most dangerous highways in the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on November 13, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 13, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Never have i had a one line joke generate so much discussion...

It didn't come off as a joke to me, it came off as criticizing him for using his time to do something he enjoys (and which all of us benefit from).

I've never been to this part of Indiana but I check this thread regularly. You don't really get to see the step-by-step nitty gritty of Interstate construction anywhere else.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 14, 2021, 03:29:43 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 13, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Never have i had a one line joke generate so much discussion...

Some kind of emoji or notation that you were being sarcastic probably would have abated the discussion.

Sometimes what we are typing in our head does not come across the same in someone else's.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on November 14, 2021, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 13, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Never have i had a one line joke generate so much discussion...
If it helps, I understood it was a joke.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on November 14, 2021, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on November 14, 2021, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 13, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Never have i had a one line joke generate so much discussion...
If it helps, I understood it was a joke.
Same here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on November 14, 2021, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 07, 2021, 05:13:02 PM

Over the weekend I took some more photos of construction in Martinsville. Crews are working long days to move this project toward its conclusion. On Saturday, two asphalt paving teams were going at it, plus work was vigorously continuing to finish removing the surcharge material near the future I-69/State Road 252 interchange. There's still a lot of work to be done, but significant progress is clearly evident.

Photos were taken Friday, November 5, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

...

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One more looking south from the SR 44 overpass with dust billowing across the work zone.

More to come.

It's a "Hoosier Haboob"!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 14, 2021, 04:53:26 PM
What's up with these repeating "skid marks"? I know they're related to paving somehow, but what exactly causes them? I can't really recall seeing them before.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on November 14, 2021, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 14, 2021, 04:53:26 PM
What's up with these repeating "skid marks"? I know they're related to paving somehow, but what exactly causes them? I can't really recall seeing them before.

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Wondering if it's related to the saw cutting machine? I noticed those in one of ITBs earlier posts while they were saw cutting and they seemed to stop at the machine. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 15, 2021, 03:53:04 AM
^^^
The track marks on the concrete slab are from the joint cutting machine being repositioned to cut another joint. Note how consistent the spacing is between the markings. After a joint has been cut, the operator retracts the blade and pulls the machine back diagonally to reposition for another cut. Due to the residue of the curing compound, the machine's tracks are more evident on the newly paved area.

On the matter of whether the Martinsville segment will be substantially completed and opened to traffic by the end of year, as some have wondered – yes! in all likelihood, it will. No doubt the schedule is tight, and with each passing day, the cold air increasingly becomes a challenge. But there should be more than enough temperate days in the next month or so to complete all necessary paving, both concrete and asphalt. In south-central Indiana, the ground doesn't freeze until mid-January – a big plus construction wise – that is, unless there's a major arctic blast in either late November or early December, which is always a possibility, but a remote one. Usually, it just doesn't get really cold in the south-central region south of Indianapolis until January. Even if a significant cold snap does hit, construction probably will still move forward using concrete admixtures, and covering that placed material with either insulation blankets or perhaps straw and burlap. Ever hear of antifreeze concrete? Just look up the phrase "antifreeze admixture concrete." However, these extra steps may not be necessary, as there just isn't all that much asphalt and concrete paving remaining to do in the Martinsville segment.

Over the past 20 years, significant technological strides have been made in both concrete and asphalt paving that extend the construction season in many areas. In Indiana, the construction season is approaching 10 months, from March through December. Admixtures to concrete, as noted above, allow pours and paving to take place almost year round, although many states have cold weather regulations, and sometimes require special permission. It's likewise similar with warm mix asphalt, which, instead of hot mix, many contractors will switch to as ambient air temperatures drop.

As far as the recent discussion above, let's just move on.

It's been more than six years since I began taking I-69 construction photos. As the project commenced and progressed, moving northeast from Gibson County, I keenly followed, frequently searching the internet for updates and pictures. But, disappointingly, few photos were to be had. Then I came across this forum and a handful of photos taken by mukade. It was just what I was looking for. So I joined. By then, construction of Section 4 was underway a few miles southwest of Bloomington, and it struck me I could simply drive down, observe the scene, and take some photos myself. So, using a basic point and shoot camera, I started to do so. Here's a couple of those first pictures:

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 4; Monroe County

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Looking west from the Burch Road overpass in Monroe County. In the background are the mainline bridges over Breeden Road. Just in front of those, but less visible, are bridges over Indian Creek. Photo was taken July 11, 2015.

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View from near the Hobbieville Road overpass in Greene County; looking north. July 11, 2015.

Another three early ones:
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Mainline bridges over East Mineral-Koleen Road in Greene County; looking southeast. July 25, 2015.

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Looking north from near Carter Road in southwest Monroe County. October 12, 2015.

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Looking northeast from the New Harmony Road bridge in Monroe County. In the background, partially visible, is the then ongoing paving operation moving north. October 29, 2015.

And here's one of Section 5 as construction was ramping up:
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Looking north toward State Road 37 from the Kinser Pike overpass in Monroe County. Work was just getting underway to widen and replace the mainline bridges over Griffy Creek, Beanblossom Creek, and Beanblossom Overflow. February 27, 2016.

During the past few years my interest in photography has grown. Of late, my focus has been taking pictures of everyday life and the people of south-central Indiana, its small towns, festivals, and so forth. The pandemic mask wearing, however, has detracted from what I'm trying to do, so instead I've been doing more construction pictures, which I enjoy doing anyway. It only takes 35 minutes from my driveway to downtown Martinsville, an easy back and forth on a Sunday afternoon or whenever I decide to go.

And since we've been discussing Martinsville, here's a few photos of the city and its people:

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"Closing Time" – The Martinsville Candy Kitchen on the downtown square of Martinsville. June 28, 2019. © copyright/all rights reserved.

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"Elephant Ears" – The Elephant Ears food truck on Morton Ave. in Martinsville. September 13, 2020. © copyright/all rights reserved.

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"Four plus One" – Fall Foliage Festival, Martinsville, Morgan County fairgrounds. October 10, 2021. © copyright/all rights reserved. As they were unable to hear me, I motioned with my camera; they did some signing among themselves and then faced the camera.

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"Fall Foliage Festival" – Martinsville, Morgan County fairgrounds. October 10, 2021. © copyright/all rights reserved.

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"Saturday Afternoon Ride" – Martinsville © copyright/all rights reserved.

I took some more construction photos late last week, and I'll post a set or two soon. From the beginning it's been my intent to share both here and on Flickr. For those of you who find them worthwhile, thank you for your appreciation and support.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 15, 2021, 09:51:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYmPjbCHsMA&ab_channel=I-69FinishLine

indot video on 69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 15, 2021, 05:17:47 PM

Here's another batch of construction pics. Photos were taken Friday, November 12, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. After final adjustments to the slipform paver, paving commenced on the remaining strip just north of the southbound mainline bridge over State Road 252/Hospital Drive.

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Another perspective of the paving operation just prior to getting underway; looking southeast.

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Looking southeast, the future southbound ramp from State Road 44 to the collector/distributor lane, which will run from north of the SR 44 overpass to the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange.

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The construction area just south of the mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr.; looking slightly northwest. The lanes in this area probably will be paved with asphalt, but before that happens it appears drainage piping must be installed either in the median or under the southbound roadway. Paving should get underway late this week or early next.

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Looking west toward State Road 37 from the Henderson Ford Road overpass in Morgan County, about five miles north of Martinsville. Plans are to switch northbound SR 37 traffic to the new northbound lanes in upcoming weeks. The crossover, which will be just around the bend, will allow northbound traffic to run on the northbound lanes up to the State Road 144 intersection.

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Different perspective looking southwest from the Henderson Ford Road overpass.

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The northbound exit ramp to Henderson Ford Road; looking west. This ramp will be paved soon, as will the interchange's northbound entrance ramp.

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Truck traffic on the Henderson Ford Road overpass; looking south. In the short time I was taking pictures about 30 trucks used the overpass.

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Looking east from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. The sky was heavily overcast most of the afternoon, but for few minutes a gap in the clouds allowed the sun to shine.

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Another perspective; looking northeast from the Henderson Ford Road overpass.

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Again, looking east from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. Currently, only the southbound exit ramp is open at the interchange, but the northbound ramps should complete and be opened by the end of the year.

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One more looking west from Henderson Ford.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 16, 2021, 10:49:04 PM

A few more pictures. Photos were taken Friday, November 12, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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The State Road 37/State Road 144 intersection in Johnson County; looking northeast. Note the piles for the eastern abutment of the future overpass that will carry SR 144 over I-69. In the background but not really visible, paving was underway on the new frontage road that will connect SR 144 to Stones Crossing Road.

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The future entrance ramp to southbound I-69 from State Road 144; looking southeast.

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Another view of State Road 37 and the SR 37/SR 144 intersection; looking northeast. In recent years, a number of housing developments have been built in this area, almost all of them east of SR 37. Building anything west near SR 37 is more problematic due to the White River and its floodplain.

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Looking north toward the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County from near the First United Methodist Church, located about three miles north of Martinsville. Near the crane in the background, construction continues of the mainline bridge over Clear Creek.

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Longer range view looking north, with the temporary access driveway for First United and the Ozark Fisheries facility in the foreground.

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Looking south from near First United. Access to both the church and the fish farm will be via the new Myra Lane overpass, which will be located just beyond the trees on the right. Full blown construction of the overpass will get underway in 2022.

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Near the church, construction is underway on a large retaining wall. Forms are either being set in place in preparation of a concrete pour or undergoing dismantling just after one. I neglected to ask.

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Another view looking south. Pilings for the Myra Road overpass, now capped with orange construction barrels, are visible in the background, while in the deep background, but barely visible, is the Teeters Road work zone, where beams are now up for the new overpass (expand the photo, right click, etc.)

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And one more of the paving crew between the State Road 44 overpass and the new mainline bridges over SR 252/Hospital Dr. in Martinsville; looking south.




Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM
Here's another batch of photos. Photos were taken Saturday, November 20, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. Using a slipform paver, a concrete barrier wall, which will separate southbound through traffic from the collector/distributor lane, has just been constructed. Plastic sheeting has been placed over the wall to insure proper curing as night temperatures are now frequently dropping below freezing.

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The view in the other direction; looking south from the SR 44 overpass. On the left, the northbound collector/distributor lane is now paved, as is the northbound exit ramp to SR 44. Also, the remaining unpaved strip adjacent to the C/D lane is now paved with concrete.

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Another view looking south. This more clearly shows the recent paving mentioned above.

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Future northbound lanes of I-69 as viewed from the SR 44 overpass; looking north. The northbound barrier wall between the through lanes and the C/D should be slipform paved soon.

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Another view looking slightly southwest from the SR 44 overpass. Discernible near the end of the barrier wall, but barely, is the paving crew and its slipform paver. The dry cast concrete was being delivered by mixer trucks, and I imagine at least a dozen were in use shuttling back and forth from the batch plant. Aaaagh. Tough getting a decent picture with the sun so low in southwest sky.

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Looking northeast toward the mainline bridges over Ohio Street in Martinsville.

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Another perspective. One strip has been paved on both the northbound and southbound lanes between the bridges and already completed paving to the west near Burton Lane. As the slipform paver is in position, paving of the adjacent strip appears imminent. When that completes, and it should be soon, work will shift to paving the shoulders.

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Looking south from near the future Ohio Street interchange. In this vicinity, only about 600 yards of paving remains to be done (not including the shoulders), roughly evenly split between the northbound and southbound lanes at about 300 yards each. The paving crew might be able to knock that out in one day.

More photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on November 21, 2021, 07:03:40 PM
Great photos.  On a few trips I have gone out of my way to check out the construction on I-69 when returning from a trip because of the great photos that you have shared on this forum over the years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 21, 2021, 08:51:25 PM
i hope they dont drop the speed limit to 55 through here. but noones going that speed anyway  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 21, 2021, 11:05:17 PM
What are doing with Huggin Hollow Road south of IN-144? Will it be part of the frontage road or will they stub it off?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:25:18 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 21, 2021, 11:05:17 PM
What are doing with Huggin Hollow Road south of IN-144? Will it be part of the frontage road or will they stub it off?

It's been rerouted to intersect with Waverly Park Road just south of the future SR 144/Waverly Park Road roundabout. With the rerouting Huggin Hollow now intersects with Waverly Park Road twice, forming a rough semi-circle. To see the new routing, check out the maps at INDOT's I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/maps/).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 22, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.

According to the IIHS website, Indiana state law for the "urban interstates" speed limit is 55mph.

Since states set the speed limits, I don't know the parameters INDOT used, but typically most interstates traveling through the city limits of an area 100,000 or more in population reduce the speed limit.

I have found that application of the "urban interstate rule" to be highly variable.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on November 22, 2021, 11:01:39 AM
Lexington Kentucky is 70 MPH which always baffles me

SM-G950U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 22, 2021, 11:02:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 22, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.

According to the IIHS website, Indiana state law for the "urban interstates" speed limit is 55mph.

Since states set the speed limits, I don't know the parameters INDOT used, but typically most interstates traveling through the city limits of an area 100,000 or more in population reduce the speed limit.

I have found that application of the "urban interstate rule" to be highly variable.

i wish theyd change that. i bet exactly 0 of the statehouse members even follow this law when they drive  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on November 22, 2021, 12:19:36 PM
^ Indiana urban interstates "have to be"  55 mph, yet INDOT had no problem increasing I-65 and I-265/SR-265 outside Louisville from 55 mph to 65 mph and 70 mph, despite traveling through a quite urban area, dropping to just 60 mph at the bridge now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on November 22, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 22, 2021, 12:19:36 PM
^ Indiana urban interstates "have to be"  55 mph, yet INDOT had no problem increasing I-65 and I-265/SR-265 outside Louisville from 55 mph to 65 mph and 70 mph, despite traveling through a quite urban area, dropping to just 60 mph at the bridge now.
You can say that there is a question about what is an urban area and what is not.  I-69 actually is inside of the city limits (just barely) for for Evansville, and the entire road from mile marker 1 through 10 is listed at 60 MPH.  IMHO, the area of I-64 from Georgetown to the river is just like Bloomington, 55 MPH to get local, county, and state police for speeders.  I've also seen an area police officer stationed near the IN-37/I-69 intersection on the south side of Bloomington looking for drivers who didn't slow down fast enough coming into town.  I think they do it also on the north side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 22, 2021, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on November 22, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 22, 2021, 12:19:36 PM
^ Indiana urban interstates "have to be"  55 mph, yet INDOT had no problem increasing I-65 and I-265/SR-265 outside Louisville from 55 mph to 65 mph and 70 mph, despite traveling through a quite urban area, dropping to just 60 mph at the bridge now.
You can say that there is a question about what is an urban area and what is not.  I-69 actually is inside of the city limits (just barely) for for Evansville, and the entire road from mile marker 1 through 10 is listed at 60 MPH.  IMHO, the area of I-64 from Georgetown to the river is just like Bloomington, 55 MPH to get local, county, and state police for speeders.  I've also seen an area police officer stationed near the IN-37/I-69 intersection on the south side of Bloomington looking for drivers who didn't slow down fast enough coming into town.  I think they do it also on the north side.
69 in hamilton co is 65 too and thats clearly urban!  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CardInLex on November 22, 2021, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 22, 2021, 12:19:36 PM
^ Indiana urban interstates "have to be"  55 mph, yet INDOT had no problem increasing I-65 and I-265/SR-265 outside Louisville from 55 mph to 65 mph and 70 mph, despite traveling through a quite urban area, dropping to just 60 mph at the bridge now.

I-65 actually goes from 65 mph to 50 mph at the bridge. That's a big change where most people are going 70+ to 50 on the bridge entering Kentucky. I know it's two jurisdictions but I wish the reduction to 50 was spread out in SoIN.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on November 22, 2021, 03:34:14 PM
^ There's a short 60 mph stretch in Indiana before the 50 mph drop.

https://goo.gl/maps/UY93QKgUJDQmE4Nd6
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 22, 2021, 04:30:43 PM

Some more pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, November 20, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south toward the northern closure point of State Road 37 just north of Martinsville. Two more strips of concrete – maybe two and a half – remain to be paved on the southbound lanes between the point where the asphalt ends and the State Road 44 overpass to the south, a distance of roughly 4,000 feet. Likely this paving will get underway next week.

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The future Teeters Road overpass, located about 300 yards north of the closure point pictured above; looking east.

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Looking north from near the Teeters Road overpass work zone. On the left, work is underway on the Morgan Street extension.

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Looking south from the Egbert Road overpass in Morgan County, about five miles north of Martinsville. In the background, the northbound mainline bridge over Clear Creek has recently received its deck pour and is covered with white plastic sheeting to insure proper curing. Work is likely to continue unabated in this area until the ground freezes, which might be late December or early January, or even not at all if the winter months are warmer than usual.

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Slightly closer look. In the background is the temporary driveway for First United Methodist Church and the Ozark Fisheries facility.

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The new northbound bridge over the dry swale; looking north from the Egbert Road overpass. Just beyond is the point where the cross-over probably will be located to shift northbound traffic to the new, reconstructed northbound lanes. From that point up to State Road 144, northbound traffic will be restricted to one travel lane. The switchover is planned for the week after Thanksgiving.

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Different perspective of the dry swale bridge work zone; looking northwest. With the bridge deck finisher in place, the deck pour likely will take place sometime in the next couple of weeks.

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Trio of drainage pipes just south of the northbound bridge over the dry swale; looking west. I have little idea which pipe does what, so if someone has more knowledge, please chime in.

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Mid-range view showing the bridge and the drainage pipes; looking north.

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Looking east from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. While not yet striped, the northbound lanes appear about ready for traffic.

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The newly paved northbound entrance ramp from Henderson Ford Road. The surface course still remains to be paved, but that may be put off till spring.

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Looking northwest from the Henderson Ford Road overpass. The harvest is all but complete in Indiana. Apparently, it was good year for both corn and soybeans with yields above average.

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Northbound ramp to Henderson Ford Road; looking west. After northbound traffic has been switched to the new northbound lanes, work will shift to connecting the southbound entrance ramp from Henderson Ford to the southbound lanes.

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Another view looking north from the Henderson Ford Road overpass.

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And one more of the Teeters Road overpass; looking east.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CardInLex on November 22, 2021, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 22, 2021, 03:34:14 PM
^ There's a short 60 mph stretch in Indiana before the 50 mph drop.

https://goo.gl/maps/UY93QKgUJDQmE4Nd6

I've never noticed it and I drive it at least twice per week. Ha! Disregard previous post then.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on November 22, 2021, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 22, 2021, 12:57:42 PM
69 in hamilton co is 65 too and thats clearly urban!  :-D

Actually, the speed limit is 70 on I-69 past SR 37 in Fishers and Noblesville for a distance of 7.5-8 miles. And the population of Fishers is over 100,000 and Noblesville is 65,000.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9670076,-85.9957935,3a,75y,89.97h,82.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sljg9p-wJ4U3zzO7L6liYQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9670076,-85.9957935,3a,75y,89.97h,82.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sljg9p-wJ4U3zzO7L6liYQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

The guidelines seem to be pretty inconsistent.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 23, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 22, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.

According to the IIHS website, Indiana state law for the "urban interstates" speed limit is 55mph.

Since states set the speed limits, I don't know the parameters INDOT used, but typically most interstates traveling through the city limits of an area 100,000 or more in population reduce the speed limit.

I have found that application of the "urban interstate rule" to be highly variable.
Bloomington's population is 79,168 according to the 2020 US Census, and I-69 skirts around Bloomington, not penetrate the urban core. I still don't see any rationale for dropping the speed limit aside from creating a moneymaking opportunity for the city.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/bloomingtoncityindiana/PST045219
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 08:30:40 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 23, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 22, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.

According to the IIHS website, Indiana state law for the "urban interstates" speed limit is 55mph.

Since states set the speed limits, I don't know the parameters INDOT used, but typically most interstates traveling through the city limits of an area 100,000 or more in population reduce the speed limit.

I have found that application of the "urban interstate rule" to be highly variable.
Bloomington's population is 79,168 according to the 2020 US Census, and I-69 skirts around Bloomington, not penetrate the urban core. I still don't see any rationale for dropping the speed limit aside from creating a moneymaking opportunity for the city.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/bloomingtoncityindiana/PST045219

interesting, i didn't that they were that big! they plan on annexing a lot of monroe county too. so theyre only getting bigger.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 23, 2021, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 08:30:40 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 23, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 22, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.

According to the IIHS website, Indiana state law for the "urban interstates" speed limit is 55mph.

Since states set the speed limits, I don't know the parameters INDOT used, but typically most interstates traveling through the city limits of an area 100,000 or more in population reduce the speed limit.

I have found that application of the "urban interstate rule" to be highly variable.
Bloomington's population is 79,168 according to the 2020 US Census, and I-69 skirts around Bloomington, not penetrate the urban core. I still don't see any rationale for dropping the speed limit aside from creating a moneymaking opportunity for the city.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/bloomingtoncityindiana/PST045219

interesting, i didn't that they were that big! they plan on annexing a lot of monroe county too. so theyre only getting bigger.
Bloomington wants to be in the same club with Indy, Fort Wayne, and Evansville, but they're not there by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 23, 2021, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 08:30:40 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 23, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 22, 2021, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 22, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 22, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 21, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
^ I think signage plans indicated 70 mph through Martinsville, with 65 mph closer to I-465.

Bloomington's 55 mph is a joke.

Yup, the 55 mph speed limit in Bloomington is almost a tailor-made speed trap. Unfortunately, a good number of drivers motoring both northbound and southbound at 70 to 80 smack into the 55 mph zone without realizing it. I see it all the time, as they whiz by me. At a minimum it should be 60, better yet 65.
That was probably one of the concessions that INDOT made to Blooming-tucky to get them onboard with building I-69 through their city. Opposition from Bloomington has always been a thorn in INDOT's side for getting I-69 finished, so you sweeten the pot by providing the local cops an opportunity to generate some revenue for the city.

According to the IIHS website, Indiana state law for the "urban interstates" speed limit is 55mph.

Since states set the speed limits, I don't know the parameters INDOT used, but typically most interstates traveling through the city limits of an area 100,000 or more in population reduce the speed limit.

I have found that application of the "urban interstate rule" to be highly variable.
Bloomington's population is 79,168 according to the 2020 US Census, and I-69 skirts around Bloomington, not penetrate the urban core. I still don't see any rationale for dropping the speed limit aside from creating a moneymaking opportunity for the city.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/bloomingtoncityindiana/PST045219

interesting, i didn't that they were that big! they plan on annexing a lot of monroe county too. so theyre only getting bigger.
Bloomington wants to be in the same club with Indy, Fort Wayne, and Evansville, but they're not there by any stretch of the imagination.

I've always thought of bloomington as indiana's boulder (co)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

A quick note on Bloomington when it came to I-69, Indiana basically forced it upon them. They threatened to withhold any funds for future planning projects (and I believe transportation projects as well, like bike stuff) unless the city's planning organization recognized I-69 on their plans. So I don't think there was much of a choice to get them "on-board" in the end. The speed trap is probably just payback for having to deal with having the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 23, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

Colorado and Colorado State aren't really on equal footing in the way that Purdue and Indiana are, so I wouldn't really compare West Lafayette to Fort Collins, but I think the Bloomington-Boulder comparison is spot on. Ann Arbor and Madison are very similar as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on November 23, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

A quick note on Bloomington when it came to I-69, Indiana basically forced it upon them. They threatened to withhold any funds for future planning projects (and I believe transportation projects as well, like bike stuff) unless the city's planning organization recognized I-69 on their plans. So I don't think there was much of a choice to get them "on-board" in the end. The speed trap is probably just payback for having to deal with having the interstate.

Wasn't most of SR37 through Bloomington already built to interstate standards or close to it? I don't see how it was "thrust upon then" when the roadway hadn't changed much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on November 23, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

A quick note on Bloomington when it came to I-69, Indiana basically forced it upon them. They threatened to withhold any funds for future planning projects (and I believe transportation projects as well, like bike stuff) unless the city's planning organization recognized I-69 on their plans. So I don't think there was much of a choice to get them "on-board" in the end. The speed trap is probably just payback for having to deal with having the interstate.

Wasn't most of SR37 through Bloomington already built to interstate standards or close to it? I don't see how it was "thrust upon then" when the roadway hadn't changed much.

nah there were still a few signals along the route and it wasnt completely limited access in terms of driveway cuts.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on November 24, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 23, 2021, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on November 23, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

A quick note on Bloomington when it came to I-69, Indiana basically forced it upon them. They threatened to withhold any funds for future planning projects (and I believe transportation projects as well, like bike stuff) unless the city's planning organization recognized I-69 on their plans. So I don't think there was much of a choice to get them "on-board" in the end. The speed trap is probably just payback for having to deal with having the interstate.

Wasn't most of SR37 through Bloomington already built to interstate standards or close to it? I don't see how it was "thrust upon then" when the roadway hadn't changed much.

nah there were still a few signals along the route and it wasnt completely limited access in terms of driveway cuts.

To be fair there was new terrain construction south and west of Bloomington that drew a lot of the criticism by a vocal minority. Most anyone I talked to quietly supported the construction and are unhappy with the 55 MPH limit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 24, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Speed limits aren't always set by their "urban" quality but also on the local conditions.

There is a large degree of retail along IN-37/I-69 in the Bloomington metro, which creates a large amount of "on-off" traffic.

Traffic planners may have reduced the speed limit to reduce the crash rate due to a large amount of merging traffic.

The AADT of those intersecting roads (and their exits) may have a bearing as well to driving the limits.

On I-80 in Wyoming, the limit is typically 75mph, but every so often you hit a speed reduction zone in the middle of no where.

I assume it was due to either high winds, poor visibility or the site of numerous crashes in the past and they are trying to get traffic to settle down.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on November 24, 2021, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 24, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Speed limits aren't always set by their "urban" quality but also on the local conditions.

There is a large degree of retail along IN-37/I-69 in the Bloomington metro, which creates a large amount of "on-off" traffic.

Traffic planners may have reduced the speed limit to reduce the crash rate due to a large amount of merging traffic.

The AADT of those intersecting roads (and their exits) may have a bearing as well to driving the limits.
The thing is - when you have a speed limit that low to the point it's universally ignored, it's not effective.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: monty on November 25, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 23, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

Colorado and Colorado State aren't really on equal footing in the way that Purdue and Indiana are, so I wouldn't really compare West Lafayette to Fort Collins, but I think the Bloomington-Boulder comparison is spot on. Ann Arbor and Madison are very similar as well.
Big differences between Lafayette and Bloomington. Lafayette is far more industrial with larger population. Bloomington more smallish arts community vibe. Very similar in contrasts between IU and Purdue. Arts vs. Engineering. Both great Big Ten schools with very similar sized student populations. Makes for a fun natural rivalry. There's a football game this weekend. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 25, 2021, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: monty on November 25, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 23, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

Colorado and Colorado State aren't really on equal footing in the way that Purdue and Indiana are, so I wouldn't really compare West Lafayette to Fort Collins, but I think the Bloomington-Boulder comparison is spot on. Ann Arbor and Madison are very similar as well.
Big differences between Lafayette and Bloomington. Lafayette is far more industrial with larger population. Bloomington more smallish arts community vibe. Very similar in contrasts between IU and Purdue. Arts vs. Engineering. Both great Big Ten schools with very similar sized student populations. Makes for a fun natural rivalry. There's a football game this weekend.

I'm a proud Boilermaker and I always thought Bloomington was the better college town  :-D. But I must say West Lafayette has gotten much better. The State St. project was a disaster for cars but wonderful for peds, the "465 like" loop has made traveling around better. River Road needs a MASSIVE road diet though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on November 25, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 25, 2021, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: monty on November 25, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 23, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

Colorado and Colorado State aren't really on equal footing in the way that Purdue and Indiana are, so I wouldn't really compare West Lafayette to Fort Collins, but I think the Bloomington-Boulder comparison is spot on. Ann Arbor and Madison are very similar as well.
Big differences between Lafayette and Bloomington. Lafayette is far more industrial with larger population. Bloomington more smallish arts community vibe. Very similar in contrasts between IU and Purdue. Arts vs. Engineering. Both great Big Ten schools with very similar sized student populations. Makes for a fun natural rivalry. There's a football game this weekend.

I'm a proud Boilermaker and I always thought Bloomington was the better college town  :-D. But I must say West Lafayette has gotten much better. The State St. project was a disaster for cars but wonderful for peds, the "465 like" loop has made traveling around better. River Road needs a MASSIVE road diet though.
Now if Veterans Memorial can get 4 laned its entire route to make access to the campus better from the south, that would be great.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 25, 2021, 02:06:30 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 25, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 25, 2021, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: monty on November 25, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 23, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
That's exactly what Bloomington is. I suppose this would make West Lafayette like Fort Collins?

Colorado and Colorado State aren't really on equal footing in the way that Purdue and Indiana are, so I wouldn't really compare West Lafayette to Fort Collins, but I think the Bloomington-Boulder comparison is spot on. Ann Arbor and Madison are very similar as well.
Big differences between Lafayette and Bloomington. Lafayette is far more industrial with larger population. Bloomington more smallish arts community vibe. Very similar in contrasts between IU and Purdue. Arts vs. Engineering. Both great Big Ten schools with very similar sized student populations. Makes for a fun natural rivalry. There's a football game this weekend.

I'm a proud Boilermaker and I always thought Bloomington was the better college town  :-D. But I must say West Lafayette has gotten much better. The State St. project was a disaster for cars but wonderful for peds, the "465 like" loop has made traveling around better. River Road needs a MASSIVE road diet though.
Now if Veterans Memorial can get 4 laned its entire route to make access to the campus better from the south, that would be great.

I forgot that. INDOT should take over maintenance of that road, widen it to 4 lanes, throw 52 onto it and give lafayette back teal road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on November 26, 2021, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 24, 2021, 01:57:15 PM
The thing is - when you have a speed limit that low to the point it's universally ignored, it's not effective.
Like I-465 having a 55 MPH Speed Limit!

I wish this stretch between Bloomington and Indy would have been done as a full freeway back when it was first widened to 4 lanes back in the 1970s, but our cheap ass state kicked it down the road for nearly 50 years. But at least it's now finally getting done and will be of much more more modern design than it would have been had it been done as a freeway back then.

Happy Holiday Season to all, especially to ITB, and yes, even to the Purdue people too. Go HOOSIERS (and Puck Furdue)!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 26, 2021, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on November 26, 2021, 08:46:05 PM
I wish this stretch between Bloomington and Indy would have been done as a full freeway back when it was first widened to 4 lanes back in the 1970s, but our cheap ass state kicked it down the road for nearly 50 years. But at least it's now finally getting done and will be of much more more modern design than it would have been had it been done as a freeway back then.

I remember when the proposal for the 37 bypass was first mentioned, circa 1968-69 (IIRC).  It didn't go over well on the west side, from what I remember, which back then was residential with some industry (Otis Elevator and Westinghouse, among others) along Curry Pike.  But the then-current alignment of 37, which had opened in 1950, had become a death trap between Bloomington and Martinsville, and had to be 4-laned.

QuoteHappy Holiday Season to all, especially to ITB, and yes, even to the Purdue people too. Go HOOSIERS (and Puck Furdue)!

Purwho?  :-D :D :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 27, 2021, 04:47:57 PM

Few more pictures. Photos were taken Friday, November 26, 2021, unless otherwise noted. Happy Thanksgiving!

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Looking south from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. On the left, with the slipform paver in position and the guidewire strung, paving of the barrier wall between the northbound through lanes and the collector-distributor lane south of the SR 44 overpass appears imminent.

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The view in the other direction; looking north from the SR 44 overpass. Prior to Thanksgiving, probably the day before, the barrier wall was paved north of the overpass. Insulating blankets cover the dry cast concrete to insure proper curing.

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Two slipform pavers just south of the SR 44 overpass; looking southeast. Take note of the portable lighting equipment ready at hand if work pushes into the evening.

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Looking south from the SR 44 overpass.

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A look toward the southbound lanes from the SR 44 overpass; looking north. After the concrete paving near the Ohio Street interchange completes, which should be soon, the focus will shift to paving up the mainline in this vicinity.

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New signage; looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville.

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Looking south toward the SR 44 overpass. With the paving of the right shoulder, the northbound lanes are now completely paved between the mainline bridge over SR 252/Hospital Dr. and the temporary northern closure point of SR 37 at Morgan Street just north of Martinsville.

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And here's the view looking north toward that closure point. Note the church steeple, which will seen again in a couple of upcoming photos.

Good weather is expected all next week in central Indiana, with temperatures reaching into the high 50s on Thursday and Friday. This will allow crews to complete more paving in Martinsville, but although they probably won't get it all done, the finishing point will be near. Thanks to those who have expressed kind words about the photo sets. Your support is appreciated.

More photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 27, 2021, 09:50:45 PM
Another batch. Photos were taken Friday, November 26, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Long range view looking south toward the future Teeters Road overpass in Morgan County, located about two miles north of Martinsville. On the right are the pilings for the western abutment of the future Myra Road overpass. The church steeple mentioned at the end of the previous photo set can be discerned in the deep background (expand the photo).

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Closer look.

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Looking west from the SR 37/Ennis Road crossing toward the Henderson Ford Road interchange. I snapped this one off while in the car waiting for the light to change. Of interest, perhaps to some, is the newly placed combo I-69 shield and 145.6 mile marker sign. There's another one further up, signed mile 145.4, and another just prior to the overpass. Also, the southbound exit ramp to Henderson Ford is signed Exit 145.

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Closer look (expand the photo for a better view).

Here's a set of four looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville:

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The asphalt paving looks to be nearly complete on the southbound mainline just south of the bridge over State Road 252/Hospital Drive. As many of you already know, this was the area where the ground was built up and then topped with a surcharge.

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Finally, a few minutes before sunset the sun began to peek from behind the cloud cover.

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As the sun more fully emerged just above the horizon, a golden hue spread across the landscape. The photo looks OK, but could have been a bit better if I had used a tripod and a remote shutter. Going forward I just might do that for these long range shots.

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Long range view. Paving of the northbound lanes where the surcharge had been placed should begin early next week.

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Looking northeast toward the mainline bridges over Ohio Street in Martinsville. The southbound driving lanes are now completely paved from Ohio Street to just south of the mainline bridge over Indian Creek. Paving of the strip to complete the northbound driving lanes appears imminent. After that completes, the right shoulder of both the north and southbound mainline in this vicinity will be paved. That probably will take place next week.

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Another look south toward the future Teeters Road overpass.

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And another of the signage at the Ohio Street interchange; looking south. About a quarter mile north of the mainline bridges over Indian Creek, a gantry has been installed over the northbound lanes, but no signs have been attached yet. Also, both the north and southbound lanes have been fully striped from the Indian Creek bridges to a little beyond the former SR 37/Burton Lane intersection.

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Detached large excavator bucket near the Henderson Ford Road work zone. And, yes, it's a big as it looks.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 27, 2021, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 27, 2021, 09:50:45 PM
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And another of the signage at the Ohio Street interchange; looking south. About a quarter mile north of the mainline bridges over Indian Creek, a gantry has been installed over the northbound lanes, but no signs have been attached yet. Also, both the north and southbound lanes have been fully striped from the Indian Creek bridges to a little beyond the former SR 37/Burton Lane intersection.

I had a chance to see the I-69 corridor, also on Friday coincidently and noticed that same gantry on I-69 north after Indian Creek. It looks like the gantry for a variable message sign. I noticed that they have several cameras installed along the SR 37 corridor from Martinsville northward and also one at least at the SR 44/252 exit. Considering INDOT adding more traffic cameras along the interstates statewide I wonder if they are eventually going to have cameras down to Bloomington with maybe another VMS or two?

In the picture I also notice the SR 39 sign signing Martinsville. I know the original sign along SR 37 had the same thing but at this point we are now on the southwest side of Martinsville. I'm kind of hoping they would mention Martinsville at the SR 44/252 exit for those coming in from the north. Coming from the south having Martinsville with SR 39 makes complete sense. I hope there will also be some mention of Morgantown and Franklin at SR 252 and 44 on the signs along the interstate. The signage plan didn't mention any of that (and who's heard of Reuben Drive?) but since they changed the Artesian Avenue mention from the original plans (Mahalsville Road) then I hope they may change some other signs before the end.

Finally, I noticed they now have a new Taco Bell and McDonalds along SR 39 north of I-69, signaling a shift from businesses being along Burton Lane to SR 39 where they will be easier to reach from the new interstate. I think a good gas station would be nice along that road as well close to the exit, I think there might just be one small Kroger station off of Ohio St and one at Morgan and Hospital Dr west of I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 28, 2021, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 27, 2021, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 27, 2021, 09:50:45 PM
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And another of the signage at the Ohio Street interchange; looking south. About a quarter mile north of the mainline bridges over Indian Creek, a gantry has been installed over the northbound lanes, but no signs have been attached yet. Also, both the north and southbound lanes have been fully striped from the Indian Creek bridges to a little beyond the former SR 37/Burton Lane intersection.

I had a chance to see the I-69 corridor, also on Friday coincidently and noticed that same gantry on I-69 north after Indian Creek. It looks like the gantry for a variable message sign. I noticed that they have several cameras installed along the SR 37 corridor from Martinsville northward and also one at least at the SR 44/252 exit. Considering INDOT adding more traffic cameras along the interstates statewide I wonder if they are eventually going to have cameras down to Bloomington with maybe another VMS or two?

In the picture I also notice the SR 39 sign signing Martinsville. I know the original sign along SR 37 had the same thing but at this point we are now on the southwest side of Martinsville. I'm kind of hoping they would mention Martinsville at the SR 44/252 exit for those coming in from the north. Coming from the south having Martinsville with SR 39 makes complete sense. I hope there will also be some mention of Morgantown and Franklin at SR 252 and 44 on the signs along the interstate. The signage plan didn't mention any of that (and who's heard of Reuben Drive?) but since they changed the Artesian Avenue mention from the original plans (Mahalsville Road) then I hope they may change some other signs before the end.

Finally, I noticed they now have a new Taco Bell and McDonalds along SR 39 north of I-69, signaling a shift from businesses being along Burton Lane to SR 39 where they will be easier to reach from the new interstate. I think a good gas station would be nice along that road as well close to the exit, I think there might just be one small Kroger station off of Ohio St and one at Morgan and Hospital Dr west of I-69.

:hmmm: maybe they will have a "martinsville next x exits" sign
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 28, 2021, 10:46:08 AM
The signage plans do call a sign with the three exits approaching Martinsville, similar to what was there on SR 37. So yes that will be there, still don't know why you have to mention Martinsville when you're on your way out of town. Actually, now that I think of it, the SR 39 sign could very well be signed for Morton Avenue. But alas, it will be SR 39 North to Martinsville. Not the worse problem.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 28, 2021, 08:29:59 PM
I drove down Harding St/SR 37 from I-70 today, down to the closure, then thru Martinsville, then back onto 37/69 down to Evansville

I didn't realize that pretty much the whole thing is under construction at this point, between Martinsville and I-465! InDOT wants to get this thing done!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on November 29, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 28, 2021, 10:46:08 AM
The signage plans do call a sign with the three exits approaching Martinsville, similar to what was there on SR 37. So yes that will be there, still don't know why you have to mention Martinsville when you're on your way out of town. Actually, now that I think of it, the SR 39 sign could very well be signed for Morton Avenue. But alas, it will be SR 39 North to Martinsville. Not the worse problem.

My personal preference is to see control cities listed regardless if its in the city or not. There are times when I'll miss the "[CITY] NEXT 3 EXITS" sign and then wonder what the "39th Street" exit is for.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on November 29, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 27, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51708264485_df2630a163_k.jpg)
And here's the view looking north toward that closure point. Note the church steeple, which will seen again in a couple of upcoming photos.

Good weather is expected all next week in central Indiana, with temperatures reaching into the high 50s on Thursday and Friday. This will allow crews to complete more paving in Martinsville, but although they probably won't get it all done, the finishing point will be near. Thanks to those who have expressed kind words about the photo sets. Your support is appreciated.

More photos to come.
Why is that concrete barrier for the median that tall in the picture ?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 29, 2021, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on November 29, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 27, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51708264485_df2630a163_k.jpg)
And here's the view looking north toward that closure point. Note the church steeple, which will seen again in a couple of upcoming photos.

Good weather is expected all next week in central Indiana, with temperatures reaching into the high 50s on Thursday and Friday. This will allow crews to complete more paving in Martinsville, but although they probably won't get it all done, the finishing point will be near. Thanks to those who have expressed kind words about the photo sets. Your support is appreciated.

More photos to come.
Why is that concrete barrier for the median that tall in the picture ?

likely because of super elevation, i.e. one direction of lanes is higher than the other, and the median wall is doubling as a retaining wall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on November 29, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Ock.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 30, 2021, 01:25:20 AM
On Sunday I didn't have much to do so I went up to Marion County for a look-see. I'm glad I did because a lot of construction activity is now underway in that area. As an earlier post mentioned, virtually all of Section 6 is currently under construction to one extent or another. In Martinsville, while driving through, I noticed two paving crews at work and, again, this was Sunday. It appears not a good weather day is to be wasted. As I continued up State Road 37 toward Indy, numerous dump trucks loaded with either asphalt or concrete were headed the other way on their way to Martinsville.

I'll put a few pictures now and over the next couple of weeks some more. If anyone is interested in seeing all of them right now check out my Flickr page here. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/) Photos were taken Saturday, November 27, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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The bridge that will carry the southbound mainline over County Line Road in Marion County; looking east. In the foreground is one of two roundabouts that are planned for the County Line Road interchange; the other will be east of the mainline.

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Looking east across the roundabout.

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Closer look at the bridge's south abutment; looking northeast.

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The abutment's decorative MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) wall panels; looking east.

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Looking northwest toward the roundabout.

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Mid-range view looking southeast.

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Perspective looking north from the south abutment. In the background (expand the photo) to the left of the excavators is the under construction southbound mainline bridge over Pleasant Run Creek.

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And another looking north toward the south abutment.

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Looking south toward the roundabout. The road in the foreground is the new connector that will run between Wicker Road and the traffic circle; it has yet to be signed. The first section of the road — between Wicker Road and Glenns Valley Lane — is expected to be opened to traffic this week.

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Another perspective; looking southeast.

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And one more looking slightly northeast.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Has any prep work started at I-465?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 30, 2021, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Has any prep work started at I-465?

nope. that will be done last. INDOT is spacing out their massive projects for the Indy area. They will take care of that when the do the widening project i think. 465/69 NE side starts next year and will really heat up once north split is done. i think the south side widening will happen around then too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 30, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Has any prep work started at I-465?
I didn't notice anything, but then again I drove that section of 465 in the dark on Saturday night

Didn't really notice anything on 37 either around where 69 will break from Harding St, but the work on 37 really picks up just south of where 69 is to veer west toward the future 465 interchange
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 30, 2021, 12:50:09 PM
Actually the bridge overpasses are prep work. The keystone bridge is being rebuilt now
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 30, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Has any prep work started at I-465?
I didn't notice anything, but then again I drove that section of 465 in the dark on Saturday night

Didn't really notice anything on 37 either around where 69 will break from Harding St, but the work on 37 really picks up just south of where 69 is to veer west toward the future 465 interchange

I was thinking like property clearing, utility relocations.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 30, 2021, 03:29:35 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 30, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Has any prep work started at I-465?
I didn't notice anything, but then again I drove that section of 465 in the dark on Saturday night

Didn't really notice anything on 37 either around where 69 will break from Harding St, but the work on 37 really picks up just south of where 69 is to veer west toward the future 465 interchange

I was thinking like property clearing, utility relocations.

I'm sure those activities are either completed or are underway. It's possible, too, some temporary pavement already has been put down on I-465 in preparation for lane shifts. Interestingly, both the inner and outer lanes of I-465 are to be shifted eight feet to the south in the vicinity of the new I-69 interchange. This is being done primarily to accommodate the tight radius of the ramp and overpass from I-465 west to I-69 southbound.

As many of you already know, Contract #5 of Section 6, which encompasses the new I-465/I-69 interchange and other significant road work on I-465 as well as State Road 37, was awarded to a Walsh Construction/Milestone Contractors joint venture. It's a P3 project and was awarded through the Indiana Finance Authority. The Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team's (WMDBT) proposal can be accessed  here. (https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/I69_Section6/i69sec6DBBV_RFP.htm) It's beautifully put together and worth a look, though certain sections have been redacted. As it's a lot of separate files, wading through them can take time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on November 30, 2021, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 30, 2021, 03:29:35 PM
As many of you already know, Contract #5 of Section 6, which encompasses the new I-465/I-69 interchange and other significant road work on I-465 as well as State Road 37, was awarded to a Walsh Construction/Milestone Contractors joint venture. It's a P3 project and was awarded through the Indiana Finance Authority.

Hmmm...The maps at https://i69finishline.com/construction-schedule/ seem to indicate construction starting at the interchange at 2022 at the earliest, with many pieces lagging to 2023 and 2024...maybe with the P3 mechanism, the lines will be blurred between design and construction and we will see things happen more quickly than the colors on the map would suggest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 30, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 30, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Has any prep work started at I-465?
I've seen some. The massive area that will be the interchange has been cleared of buildings as well as trees, and road removal process is still ongoing. You can see the massive area clear driving eastbound just prior to/at the curve just north of the former Thompson Rd/Warman Ave intersection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 01, 2021, 10:40:45 AM
I would like to thank ITB for their link to the documents on the last part of Section 6. Lots of good information in there, but what I'm usually more interested in (as are a lot of us on this forum) is the signs. I was able to pick up some of the planned signage in the vincinity of the future I-69/I-465 interchange. I have posted an image below and have a number next to each sign to give my thoughts about this. This is the northern end of I-69's Southern Indiana termius so I am very interested in how it's going to be signed. I'm pleased with the plans as they currently stand.

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1. This is at northbound I-465 with I-70 on the west side. Peoria now gets control city status along I-465, complementing what's currently at the I-65 interchange on the south side. I-70 is just St. Louis and Indy, no mention of the airport, which will get regulated to supplemental signage prior to the exit. Lots of APL signs along this section.

2. Sign along I-465 east of Mann Rd with I-69 and controls of Ft Wayne and Evansville, no exit tab interestingly enough.

3. APL signage along I-465 west at the Mann Rd interchange. There will be five lanes heading west from Mann Rd, the rightmost lane will exit off at Kentucky Avenue.

4. APL signage at I-465 east and I-69, marked as Exit 4b. Harding St is Exit 4a and I-69 south is indeed signed for Evansville. Interesting there is no signage for Martinsville and Bloomington. I do think some supplemental signage would be appropriate, hell the signs already exist, just throw a B next to the Exit 4. I-69 north gets a control city of Ft Wayne heading east from Exit 4 A-B.

5.  Looking west on I-465 at Exit 4B with 465/74 signed for Peoria and I-69 south again signed for Evansville.

6. Placment of the three interstate shields that will mark Indiana's first interstate triplex.

7. Heading east at Exit 2 A-B I-465/69/74 loses two lanes at the exit, it's five lanes heading east from Exit 4 but one lane goes off at Exit 2B and the other at Exit 2A. This keeps the lane configuration the same where US 31 crosses over the interstate, meaning there's no need to change the interchange design for now. I mean they should fix that exit but it seems like they're not going to.

8. I-465/69/74 westbound at Exit 2A. The "widening" of I-465 between Exits 2 and 53 will be three mainline lanes and one auxilary lane on the right. The SB I-65 ramp to westbound I-465 becomes an auxiliary lane that turns off at Exit 2A. Here Exit 4B is signed two miles away, but no mention of Harding St

9. A similar auxiliary lane exists on the eastbound part of I-465/69/74 between US 31 and I-65 south, which turns off here at Exit 53B. This again means that the lane configuration within I-65 interchange will stay the same.

10. Signage for the Southport Rd exit along I-69 south. Something's weird on this one. The signage plans have it signed as Exit 162, but the left are two planned milemarkers in the same location that designated this as Mile 160. Based on a look at the mileage along SR 37 this should be Exit 160. I noticed the Wikipedia article on I-69 was recently changed perhaps to reflect this signage plan, but it looks to be two miles off. SR 144 is Exit 153 which is correct but Smith Valley Rd is Exit 158 acccording to the I-69 page. It's only three miles between the two plans and signage plans do show it as Exit 156. Likewise County Line Rd should be 158, Southport 160 and Epler/Harding as 161 and I-465 as 162.

11. Mileage sign south of Southport Rd with mentions of Martinsville/Bloomington/Evansville. The first mileage sign along I-69 south of I-465.

12. Signs for Exit 161 (shown here as 163) for Epler Ave TO Harding St. The best way to sign this arrangement. Exit 162 (shown as 164) mentions both I-74 controls of Peoria and Cincinnati plus the I-69 north control city of Ft Wayne. This would provide a perfect match to the plans for I-69 on the north side where Evansville is the control city at the I-465 interchange. I do like it very much that Indiana is sticking with Ft Wayne and Evansville as the control cities and not places like...Fulton, KY.

13. I-69 north's final split at I-465, two lanes heading west toward 465/74 and Peoria and two lanes heading east for 69 north to Ft Wayne and 465/74 to Cincinnati. Interestingly, there's no mention of the airport on any of these signs, that may not be a bad idea for I-69 approaching I-465.

Anyway, this has been a very long thread but I thought some might be interested in how the final part of I-69 will look.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 01, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
peoria is way bigger and has more people.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
Peoria is a more important industrial town, since Caterpillar. Sure, CAT has moved its corporate offices to Chicago and downsized their industrial opps in Peoria, but it is still there

Peoria is the better Control out of Indy. If you want something different, then use Des Moines
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on December 01, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
Peoria is a more important industrial town, since Caterpillar. Sure, CAT has moved its corporate offices to Chicago and downsized their industrial opps in Peoria, but it is still there

Peoria is the better Control out of Indy. If you want something different, then use Des Moines

Or Quad Cities
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 01, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
Peoria is a more important industrial town, since Caterpillar. Sure, CAT has moved its corporate offices to Chicago and downsized their industrial opps in Peoria, but it is still there

Peoria is the better Control out of Indy. If you want something different, then use Des Moines

Or Quad Cities
I thought about that. But neither Iowa nor Illinois use the overall "Quad Cities"  - Iowa uses Davenport/Bettendorf and Illinois uses Moline/Rock Island. I'm not sure which/how many of the 4 Indiana would even attempt - hence why I went with Des Moines if Peoria isn't "Good Enough"  for Control status. But since InDOT is using Fort Wayne for I-69N, and probably either Bloomington and/or Evansville soon for I-69S along I-465, Peoria checks out for I-74W
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on December 01, 2021, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 28, 2021, 08:29:59 PM
I drove down Harding St/SR 37 from I-70 today, down to the closure, then thru Martinsville, then back onto 37/69 down to Evansville

I didn't realize that pretty much the whole thing is under construction at this point, between Martinsville and I-465! InDOT wants to get this thing done!

ITB pictures have really spoiled me. Perhaps Walsh Construction or INDOT will put up a 24x7 webcams at Epler, Southport and Bluff so we can get a view without putting ITB on the spot.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 01, 2021, 09:19:04 PM
INDOT does post some photos and videos on the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/photos-videos/) web site.

During the construction of the stretch between Crane and Bloomington (section 4?), one of the primary contractors posted drone footage. I found the link to one of the videos here (https://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE).

Anyway, that would be really cool if someone could again post drone video.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 02, 2021, 12:56:41 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 01, 2021, 09:19:04 PM
INDOT does post some photos and videos on the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/photos-videos/) web site.

During the construction of the stretch between Crane and Bloomington (section 4?), one of the primary contractors posted drone footage. I found the link to one of the videos here (https://youtu.be/rHFBt1yT3HE).

Anyway, that would be really cool if someone could again post drone video.

Yes, drone video would be terrific. Operating a drone south of Marion County, in either Johnson or Morgan counties, should be fine. However, any flying in the vicinity of the I-465/SR 37 interchange and nearby points southwest may be problematic due to the proximity of IND. Drone operators who wish to fly within five miles of an airport are required to fill out a FAA UAS (unmanned aircraft systems) activity form and contact local Air Traffic Control.

Update: Apparently, drone operators are no longer required to independently contact local air traffic control when flying within five miles of an airport, and instead can use the automated LAANC system to request authorization to fly in controlled airspace near airports. And, yes, the I-465/SR 37 interchange and points west and southwest are indeed within the controlled airspace zone of IND.

A live construction cam at the I-465/I-69 interchange work zone would be a nice perk, too.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 02, 2021, 07:25:33 AM
From Southport Rd south looks to be OK unless the empty airport-owned land where the future runway will be built counts. Even for that, it looks like the 5 mile radius for the closest point is about a quarter mile south if Google Maps distance measurement is right.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 02, 2021, 01:06:47 PM

Even though I may have posted this photo before, here it is again – a pre-construction aerial shot, probably taken with a drone, of the State Road 37/Southport Road intersection, looking southwest:

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 02, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 02, 2021, 07:25:33 AM
From Southport Rd south looks to be OK unless the empty airport-owned land where the future runway will be built counts. Even for that, it looks like the 5 mile radius for the closest point is about a quarter mile south if Google Maps distance measurement is right.

future runway? where?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 02, 2021, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 02, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 02, 2021, 07:25:33 AM
From Southport Rd south looks to be OK unless the empty airport-owned land where the future runway will be built counts. Even for that, it looks like the 5 mile radius for the closest point is about a quarter mile south if Google Maps distance measurement is right.
future runway? where?
Look at Google Sat view. There is a strip of undeveloped land, about the size of a runway, on the south side of I-70 from the current airport southernmost runway

If/when developed, there will be at least one taxiway aircraft overpass built over I-70

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Decatur+Township,+IN/@39.6999843,-86.2960295,13z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x886ca756bb94faa7:0x5e5731a06739c1af
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on December 03, 2021, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 01, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
Peoria is a more important industrial town, since Caterpillar. Sure, CAT has moved its corporate offices to Chicago and downsized their industrial opps in Peoria, but it is still there

Peoria is the better Control out of Indy. If you want something different, then use Des Moines

Or Quad Cities
I thought about that. But neither Iowa nor Illinois use the overall "Quad Cities"  - Iowa uses Davenport/Bettendorf and Illinois uses Moline/Rock Island. I'm not sure which/how many of the 4 Indiana would even attempt - hence why I went with Des Moines if Peoria isn't "Good Enough"  for Control status. But since InDOT is using Fort Wayne for I-69N, and probably either Bloomington and/or Evansville soon for I-69S along I-465, Peoria checks out for I-74W

Seems very unlikely Bloomington will be used as a control city in Marion County, if at all. Indiana doesn't use intermediate control cities, except in a very few places (the I-70 West exit from 465 South near the old airport terminal used to list Terre Haute, but no replaced by Indpls Int'l Airport). If Bloomington were to be a control city, then so should Terre Haute, Lafayette, Kokomo, Anderson, Richmond, and maybe Columbus Ind.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 03, 2021, 04:29:54 PM

Before putting up more photos from Marion County, here's a brief photo update of the progress in Martinsville.

Photos were taken Thursday, December 2, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. The paving of the lanes appears to be nearly complete where the surcharge had been placed. It's impossible to determine from this perspective how far along the ramps or the two interchange roundabouts might be, but, overall, it appears good progress is being made.

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Placing a form for a concrete pour; looking south from the State Road 44 in Martinsville.

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Looking north from the State Road 44 overpass. On the left a form has been placed for a concrete pour. Why this strip of roadway will be paved using a form, and not slipformed, I have no idea. To the north, from this point to the temporary closure at Morgan Street, prep work to pave the unpaved southbound section continues. It seems the concrete median barrier wall will be extended, as well, in the area where the slipform paver is located. In the foreground, the area where the unpaved section of roadway widens appears to be where the grassy median will come to an end.

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Another perspective looking northeast from near the State Road 44 overpass. Measuring to make sure everything is as it needs to be.

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View looking northeast from near the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

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Sightly closer view looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass.

Substantial completion of the Martinsville segment is rapidly approaching. From the bridges over Indian Creek to the temporary northern closure point at Morgan Street, the northbound lanes are now completely paved, aside from the bridge approach slabs at the SR 252 interchange, and, perhaps, the Ohio Street interchange. North of the SR 44 bridge, two lane strips remain to be paved on the southbound lanes. Also, there's a small unpaved section of left shoulder south of that overpass that needs to be concreted. In short, it's about done. Colder weather is expected early next week in central Indiana, with perhaps a little snow or mix mid-week. But after that minor event passes, temperatures in the upper 40s are forecast to return.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 05, 2021, 05:03:29 PM

Few more recent pictures of the construction in Martinsville. Photos were taken Saturday, December 4, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. As it was only 5:10pm, work was still ongoing in several areas. The sun now sets at 5:19pm in central Indiana and will do so for the next few days before slowly starting to set later, even though the amount of daylight each day will continue to shorten until the winter solstice on the 21st.

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Looking north from near the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection just north of Martinsville toward the overpass that will carry Teeters Road.

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At the Ohio Street interchange, another layer of asphalt was being put down on the northbound entrance ramp. In the foreground is the northbound exit ramp.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51725352951_b322f96ace_k.jpg)
Looking north from the State Road 44. As expected, the median barrier wall was extended south. It's possible it may be extended further.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51726269590_78d43b7e2f_k.jpg)
The view looking south from near the SR 37/Morgan Street intersection. With the slipform paver and related equipment in position, paving of the final strips of roadway should get underway sometime this week. As for the sign, it reads: RIGHT LANE ENDS 1/2 MILE.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51725611878_6bfb01cd71_k.jpg)
Closer look looking south from the SR 44 overpass.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51725996229_bff829a654_k.jpg)
Slightly different perspective.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51725597028_09a9d50260_k.jpg)
Another of the paving work at the Ohio Street interchange; looking north. In the deep background is the SR 44 overpass.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51724540162_54154b0b98_k.jpg)
Long range view looking south from the SR 44 overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on December 05, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Don't stop in Martinsville...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 05, 2021, 10:48:23 PM
I-69 Finish line stated the NB lanes of SR-37 opened on Friday, 12/3. One lane only.

https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1466470475773714436/photo/1

I'm curious if the Henderson Ford interchange opened as well. I read that it was supposed to. But, the twitter link did not specify.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 05, 2021, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 05, 2021, 10:48:23 PM

I'm curious if the Henderson Ford interchange opened as well. I read that it was supposed to. But, the twitter link did not specify.

With the shift of northbound traffic to the new northbound lanes, both the northbound exit and entrance ramps at Henderson Ford were opened. As the southbound exit ramp was opened earlier, in November if memory serves, the only ramp currently not available is the southbound entrance. Work to pave that ramp and connect to the southbound lanes should complete either this week or early next.

Last week's I-69 Finish Line newsletter (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-november-22-2021/) mentioned the upcoming change:

"Shortly after S.R. 37 traffic is shifted, the new I-69 Henderson Ford Road interchange will open fully in both directions. Drivers on both S.R. 37 and Henderson Ford Road should stay alert as traffic adjusts to the new entrance and exit ramps."



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 06, 2021, 01:12:54 AM
Let's get to the Marion County pictures before they get stale. Photos were taken Sunday, November 28, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51216822060_7015c5ed4d_k.jpg)
Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
In Marion County, an aerial view of the State Road 37/Wicker Road intersection and the bridges over Pleasant Run Creek; looking northeast. Estimated photo date: October 2020.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51711715622_6864a8dfed_k.jpg)
Street level view of the SR 37/Wicker intersection; looking northeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51714722755_636f9970fc_k.jpg)
Southbound mainline bridges over Pleasant Run Creek and Wicker Road (back, left); looking north. The span over Pleasant Run recently received its deck pour.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51713166799_15a0eeb3ae_k.jpg)
Slightly longer range perspective. The smokestacks of the Indianapolis Power and Light Harding Generation Station are in the background.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51713330705_bd51d6696a_k.jpg)
The bridge that will carry the southbound mainline over Wicker Road; looking northeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51712453746_e98ff01eec_k.jpg)
Another perspective of the bridge over Wicker; looking northwest. Snapped this one off while waiting at the light. Not a good picture by any means, but it depicts how high above the ground the mainline will be elevated in this vicinity. Looks to be around 15 feet. Since I can only guess why the mainline will be raised in this area, and I assume, to points further north in Marion County as well as further south, I have reached out to the WMDBT for a design/engineering rationale.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51712724353_abf24376b0_k.jpg)
The southbound mainline bridge over Pleasant Run Creek; looking north. As the bridge has just received its deck pour, I assume the plastic sheeting attached to the side is to offer some protection against cold winds freezing the deck pans underneath. If anyone knows otherwise, please chime in.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51712769718_8d885b2c5f_k.jpg)
But the effort, apparently, didn't go exactly as planned; looking south.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51713378790_1945d75f4a_k.jpg)
Southbound bridge carrying State Road 37 over Pleasant Run Creek; looking southeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51711668052_14ad275c17_k.jpg)
SR 37 bridges over Pleasant Run Creek; looking east. Piers look to be in pretty good shape.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51713169364_42c11813d9_k.jpg)
Another look at the southbound bridge over Pleasant Run Creek; looking north.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51713126669_1762c07e0a_k.jpg)
Mid-range view of the bridges over Pleasant Run Creek and Wicker Road; looking north. In the foreground is the path of the southbound exit ramp which will intersect with the County Line Road interchange's western roundabout.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51713166659_9e9232f0d8_k.jpg)
Another perspective looking northeast toward the two bridges.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51711666722_755283c414_k.jpg)
And, finally, a Link-Belt TCC-1200 crane near the bridge over Wicker; looking north.

That's all for now. I'll put up a few more photos later in the week.

Edit: grammar and minor wording changes for accuracy and readability
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 06, 2021, 02:12:26 AM
Here's the new Interstate 69 pavement in Morgan County.

(https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Incident-Management-Meeting-23-_-INDOT-Contract-R-33493_Page_1_Image_0001.jpg)
(https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Incident-Management-Meeting-23-_-INDOT-Contract-R-33493_Page_1_Image_0002.jpg)
Photo Credit to I-69 Finish Line.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 06, 2021, 02:32:42 AM
In addition to the photos of the finished pavement, the Martinsville portion of Interstate 69 is announced to open next month.

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i-69-closure-in-martinsville-on-track-to-open-january.php (https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/i-69-closure-in-martinsville-on-track-to-open-january.php)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on December 03, 2021, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 01, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 01, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 01, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
Will the triple concurrent section (specifically at the interchange with I-65) have control cities for both I-74 and I-69, so Cincinnati/Ft Wayne for EB/NB, and Peoria/Evansville for WB/SB?

Also imo, Champaign is a better control city than Peoria for I-74 WB in Indiana, but oh well. Junction with 2 other interstates, and a well-known college town.
Peoria is a more important industrial town, since Caterpillar. Sure, CAT has moved its corporate offices to Chicago and downsized their industrial opps in Peoria, but it is still there

Peoria is the better Control out of Indy. If you want something different, then use Des Moines

Or Quad Cities
I thought about that. But neither Iowa nor Illinois use the overall "Quad Cities"  - Iowa uses Davenport/Bettendorf and Illinois uses Moline/Rock Island. I'm not sure which/how many of the 4 Indiana would even attempt - hence why I went with Des Moines if Peoria isn't "Good Enough"  for Control status. But since InDOT is using Fort Wayne for I-69N, and probably either Bloomington and/or Evansville soon for I-69S along I-465, Peoria checks out for I-74W

Seems very unlikely Bloomington will be used as a control city in Marion County, if at all. Indiana doesn't use intermediate control cities, except in a very few places (the I-70 West exit from 465 South near the old airport terminal used to list Terre Haute, but no replaced by Indpls Int'l Airport). If Bloomington were to be a control city, then so should Terre Haute, Lafayette, Kokomo, Anderson, Richmond, and maybe Columbus Ind.

This part of Indiana utilizes very good choices for control cities.  St Louis, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Dayton, and Louisville are far better choices than the mid-sized towns listed above.  The signage seems to indicate Evansville as the control (and the only control) for I-69 south.  It is appropriate and is the right size and distance from Indianapolis.

Secondary controls really don't seem like a necessary thing here as a reasonably large city is generally within 200 miles.  The one exception is St. Louis, which is about 230 miles away.  The only good arguments for secondary controls exist when the primary controls are much further apart, like I-80 between Cleveland and NYC or I-70 between Denver and KC.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on December 06, 2021, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 03, 2021, 04:29:54 PM

Before putting up more photos from Marion County, here's a brief photo update of the progress in Martinsville.

Photos were taken Thursday, December 2, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. The paving of the lanes appears to be nearly complete where the surcharge had been placed. It's impossible to determine from this perspective how far along the ramps or the two interchange roundabouts might be, but, overall, it appears good progress is being made.

What was up with this section that required the surcharge and asphalt pavement?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 06, 2021, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 06, 2021, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 03, 2021, 04:29:54 PM

Before putting up more photos from Marion County, here's a brief photo update of the progress in Martinsville.

Photos were taken Thursday, December 2, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51720117372_be73c74a8d_k.jpg)
Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville. The paving of the lanes appears to be nearly complete where the surcharge had been placed. It's impossible to determine from this perspective how far along the ramps or the two interchange roundabouts might be, but, overall, it appears good progress is being made.

What was up with this section that required the surcharge and asphalt pavement?

the asphalt you see in that folder is the OG layer of pavement. OG = Open Graded pavement. basically this asphalt is used to guide water into the underdrains to keep the pavement in good condition. Concrete will go on top of this layer. as for the surcharge, not too sure, probably the geotech investigation showed poor soils that needed extra compaction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 06, 2021, 03:03:56 PM

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 06, 2021, 01:53:27 PM
the asphalt you see in that folder is the OG layer of pavement. OG = Open Graded pavement. basically this asphalt is used to guide water into the underdrains to keep the pavement in good condition. Concrete will go on top of this layer. as for the surcharge, not too sure, probably the geotech investigation showed poor soils that needed extra compaction.

Good chance a layer or two of OG asphalt was paved on this small mainline segment, but it doesn't appear a concrete overlay will be put down. This segment likely will be only asphalt. Being a flexible pavement, asphalt is more often used over fill, such as in this case, as opposed to using concrete, which is a rigid. If any settlement occurs in the fill area, asphalt will give a little, while concrete pavement might crack.

Here's another photo of the area:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51721592005_5356f4588d_k.jpg)
Note how there doesn't appear to be a significant depth gap between the asphalt and the concrete. If such a gap existed, a small gravel or dirt ramp would have been put down to ease crossing over, but there isn't one. The asphalt paving in this area appears to be complete, or very nearly so.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 06, 2021, 03:09:12 PM
Can't wait to drive this!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 06, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
More photos have been uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) webpage. Here's a trio of aerials of the construction underway in Marion county:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51730128189_19fc99f72a_k.jpg)
Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
Looking north toward the southbound mainline bridge abutments over County Line Road just prior to the placement of the beams. On the left is the interchange's western roundabout, while behind that is the new local access road, which has yet to be signed. In the background center, the deck pour for the southbound span over Pleasant Run Creek is underway. Estimated photo date: November 2021.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51730129104_8a10b5a6c9_k.jpg)
Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
Deck pour for the southbound bridge over Pleasant Run Creek; looking southeast. Estimated photo date: November 2021.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51730355730_8e5367683a_k.jpg)
Courtesy I-69 Finish Line.
Bridge that will carry the southbound mainline over Wicker Road; looking east. Estimated photo date: October/November 2021.

Lots of great photos (https://i69finishline.com/photos-videos/), as well as several videos, are available for viewing on the I-69 Finish Line webpage. If you haven't already checked them out, I highly recommend clicking in that direction.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 06, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
This part of Indiana utilizes very good choices for control cities.  St Louis, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Dayton, and Louisville are far better choices than the mid-sized towns listed above.  The signage seems to indicate Evansville as the control (and the only control) for I-69 south.  It is appropriate and is the right size and distance from Indianapolis.

All INDOT-maintained Interstates in Indiana use only these large control cities. Others used are Cincinnati, Detroit, Lansing, Peoria, and Toledo. Non-Interstate freeways/expressways are a little different. For example, northbound US 31 in the Indianapolis area has Kokomo as the control, and South Bend from Kokomo north. Eastbound US 24 uses Toledo, but a few miles east in Ohio, it becomes Defiance.

I think the Toll Road uses Chicago and Ohio.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 06, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
This part of Indiana utilizes very good choices for control cities.  St Louis, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Dayton, and Louisville are far better choices than the mid-sized towns listed above.  The signage seems to indicate Evansville as the control (and the only control) for I-69 south.  It is appropriate and is the right size and distance from Indianapolis.

All INDOT-maintained Interstates in Indiana use only these large control cities. Others used are Cincinnati, Detroit, Lansing, Peoria, and Toledo. Non-Interstate freeways/expressways are a little different. For example, northbound US 31 in the Indianapolis area has Kokomo as the control, and South Bend from Kokomo north. Eastbound US 24 uses Toledo, but a few miles east in Ohio, it becomes Defiance.

I think the Toll Road uses Chicago and Ohio.

Yes.  Indiana is a model as far as interstate control city choice.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on December 06, 2021, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 06, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
This part of Indiana utilizes very good choices for control cities.  St Louis, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Dayton, and Louisville are far better choices than the mid-sized towns listed above.  The signage seems to indicate Evansville as the control (and the only control) for I-69 south.  It is appropriate and is the right size and distance from Indianapolis.

All INDOT-maintained Interstates in Indiana use only these large control cities. Others used are Cincinnati, Detroit, Lansing, Peoria, and Toledo. Non-Interstate freeways/expressways are a little different. For example, northbound US 31 in the Indianapolis area has Kokomo as the control, and South Bend from Kokomo north. Eastbound US 24 uses Toledo, but a few miles east in Ohio, it becomes Defiance.

I think the Toll Road uses Chicago and Ohio.

The last two times I've been near the ITR the eastbound control was Toledo (South Bend and I-69 for locations I was at).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 06, 2021, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: I-55 on December 06, 2021, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 06, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: mrsman on December 06, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
This part of Indiana utilizes very good choices for control cities.  St Louis, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Dayton, and Louisville are far better choices than the mid-sized towns listed above.  The signage seems to indicate Evansville as the control (and the only control) for I-69 south.  It is appropriate and is the right size and distance from Indianapolis.

All INDOT-maintained Interstates in Indiana use only these large control cities. Others used are Cincinnati, Detroit, Lansing, Peoria, and Toledo. Non-Interstate freeways/expressways are a little different. For example, northbound US 31 in the Indianapolis area has Kokomo as the control, and South Bend from Kokomo north. Eastbound US 24 uses Toledo, but a few miles east in Ohio, it becomes Defiance.

I think the Toll Road uses Chicago and Ohio.

The last two times I've been near the ITR the eastbound control was Toledo (South Bend and I-69 for locations I was at).

The ITR uses Ohio and Chicago as the control cities.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 06, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
Yep. The I-69 signs with Toledo are INDOT's not ITR's. The non-Interstate highway signs on roads like US 31, SR 331, SR 19, etc. just say "Toll Road". I have not seen ITR controls other than Ohio and Chicago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 06, 2021, 10:38:50 PM
I-69 Update:
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/ (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on December 07, 2021, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 06, 2021, 10:38:50 PM
I-69 Update:
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/ (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/)

Key phrase:

"I-69 is on track to open to traffic in Martinsville before the end of the year."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 07, 2021, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on December 07, 2021, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 06, 2021, 10:38:50 PM
I-69 Update:
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/ (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/)

Key phrase:

"I-69 is on track to open to traffic in Martinsville before the end of the year."

let's hope for xmas!  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on December 07, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 06, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
More photos have been uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) webpage. Here's a trio of aerials of the construction underway in Marion county:

You know, these images make me realize, if someone got you a drone for Christmas you'd be practically unstoppable. The owner of the OKCTalk forum flies his over the I-44/I-235 interchange project every week or so. He gets some excellent aerial shots of the progress of that project, and he doesn't have anywhere near the level of construction knowledge you do, so I can only imagine what you'd be able to do with one.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on December 07, 2021, 04:04:28 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 07, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 06, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
More photos have been uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) webpage. Here's a trio of aerials of the construction underway in Marion county:

You know, these images make me realize, if someone got you a drone for Christmas you'd be practically unstoppable. The owner of the OKCTalk forum flies his over the I-44/I-235 interchange project every week or so. He gets some excellent aerial shots of the progress of that project, and he doesn't have anywhere near the level of construction knowledge you do, so I can only imagine what you'd be able to do with one.
Sounds like Scott is offering to buy ITB a drone for Christmas
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 07, 2021, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 07, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 06, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
More photos have been uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) webpage. Here's a trio of aerials of the construction underway in Marion county:

You know, these images make me realize, if someone got you a drone for Christmas you'd be practically unstoppable. The owner of the OKCTalk forum flies his over the I-44/I-235 interchange project every week or so. He gets some excellent aerial shots of the progress of that project, and he doesn't have anywhere near the level of construction knowledge you do, so I can only imagine what you'd be able to do with one.

I agree.

- Does anyone in the Indy area have a drone?
- Does anyone have experience flying a drone?
- Does anyone live close to the construction areas?

If answer to #1 is no, maybe we in central Indiana could contribute some money for a good drone to capture the construction activity for posterity?

Drone videos of the I-69 construction would be a great compliment to the this great Indiana Interstate history document (https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2257&context=jtrp) someone spent a lot of time and effort to create.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on December 07, 2021, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on December 07, 2021, 04:04:28 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 07, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 06, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
More photos have been uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) webpage. Here's a trio of aerials of the construction underway in Marion county:

You know, these images make me realize, if someone got you a drone for Christmas you'd be practically unstoppable. The owner of the OKCTalk forum flies his over the I-44/I-235 interchange project every week or so. He gets some excellent aerial shots of the progress of that project, and he doesn't have anywhere near the level of construction knowledge you do, so I can only imagine what you'd be able to do with one.
Sounds like Scott is offering to buy ITB a drone for Christmas

Haha, if I had an infinite money well in my backyard, I would for sure.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on December 07, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 07, 2021, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 07, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 06, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
More photos have been uploaded to the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) webpage. Here's a trio of aerials of the construction underway in Marion county:

You know, these images make me realize, if someone got you a drone for Christmas you'd be practically unstoppable. The owner of the OKCTalk forum flies his over the I-44/I-235 interchange project every week or so. He gets some excellent aerial shots of the progress of that project, and he doesn't have anywhere near the level of construction knowledge you do, so I can only imagine what you'd be able to do with one.

I agree.

- Does anyone in the Indy area have a drone?
- Does anyone have experience flying a drone?
- Does anyone live close to the construction areas?

If answer to #1 is no, maybe we in central Indiana could contribute some money for a good drone to capture the construction activity for posterity?

Drone videos of the I-69 construction would be a great compliment to the this great Indiana Interstate history document (https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2257&context=jtrp) someone spent a lot of time and effort to create.

Whoa...do you have a link to the rest of that document?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 07, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on December 07, 2021, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 06, 2021, 10:38:50 PM
I-69 Update:
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/ (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-6-2021/)

Key phrase:

"I-69 is on track to open to traffic in Martinsville before the end of the year."

Nice to hear after I keep checking on I-69 for a few years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 07, 2021, 07:09:16 PM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on December 07, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 07, 2021, 04:27:34 PM
Drone videos of the I-69 construction would be a great compliment to the this great Indiana Interstate history document (https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2257&context=jtrp) someone spent a lot of time and effort to create.

Whoa...do you have a link to the rest of that document?

I read the document a few years ago, and was very impressed that all of that was documented so carefully. Unfortunately, I have changed PCs, and I did not keep my bookmarks.

The way I found it today was by using these words in a Google search: "purdue history of interstate highway system in indiana". That returns several of the volumes, at least.

Consolidating all of the I-69 articles from 2008 to now would also be a great addendum to this Purdue collection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 09, 2021, 12:52:07 AM

Came across some tidbits in Volume 3 of Ripple's 1975 dissertation "History of the Interstate Highway System in Indiana":

"Before the mileage within the 40,000-mile limitation was officially designated on August 2, 1947, most of the state highway departments reviewed the initial selections and in many cases suggested additional mileage for inclusion in the Interstate System. The Indiana State Highway Department proposed several additional Interstate routes, including a route from Indianapolis to Cincinnati; a route from Evansville to the Calumet Area paralleling US 41; a route from Indianapolis to Benton Harbor, Michigan, via South Bend; and a route from Indianapolis to Evansville. (Ripple, p. 376) (https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2909&context=jtrp)
...

"As noted earlier, Evansville was one of the few cities of over 100,000 persons not served by the Interstate System. To correct this condition, Indiana proposed inclusion of Evansville by the extension of Interstate 69 from Indianapolis to Evansville to link with Interstate 24. Due to the fact that Interstate 24 terminated at Nashville and Interstate 64 went through Vincennes instead of Evansville, the extension of Interstate 69 lacked continuity. Furthermore, the corridor lacked sufficient traffic generation and was primarily intrastate in character. The proposed addition proved unsuccessful." (Ripple, p. 378) (https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2909&context=jtrp)

For those interested in reading more of Volume 3, Route History, as well as other sections of Ripple's report, click here. (https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/do/search/?q=author_lname%3A%22Ripple%22%20author_fname%3A%22David%22&start=0&context=119483&facet=)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 09, 2021, 12:58:36 AM
^ Though didn't I-64 later get rerouted via Evansville, paralleling the US 460 corridor between St Louis and Louisville, rather than the previously planned US 50/150 via Vincennes, because of some sort of pressure from Evansville for an interstate?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 09, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
I-64 was re-routed southward after construction along the original route started in Indiana and Illinois. That is why US 50 around Vincennes is a freeway.

The Evansville to Calumet area (i.e. NW Indiana) was proposed to be I-61.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 09, 2021, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 09, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
I-64 was re-routed southward after construction along the original route started in Indiana and Illinois. That is why US 50 around Vincennes is a freeway.

The story of the "southern alignment" vs. the "northern (US 50) alignment" of I-64 starts at p. 500 of the Purdue document.

https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2910&context=jtrp

Apparently the southern alignment was finalized after assurances to the locals that the US 50 corridor would be improved regardless of the shift of I-64 to the south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 09, 2021, 08:49:08 AM
i find it baffling that 64 doesn't go through evansville. why would they ever consider vincennes? it was never and has never been a major city in the state compared to evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 09, 2021, 09:39:03 AM
The idea was to take as straight a shot as possible between Louisville and St. Louis.  I doubt planners cared about Vincennes.

Interesting to learn how far back the idea of extending I-69 to Evansville goes; basically to the beginning of the system.  70 years later, the last piece will soon fall into place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 09, 2021, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 09, 2021, 09:39:03 AM
The idea was to take as straight a shot as possible between Louisville and St. Louis.  I doubt planners cared about Vincennes.

Interesting to learn how far back the idea of extending I-69 to Evansville goes; basically to the beginning of the system.  70 years later, the last piece will soon fall into place.
From the way that I look at things, the routing they have now is just about as straight as the one that was planned, since apparently they were going down the US150 corridor from Loogootee/Shoals, and that would have made an arc south anyway.  Had they gone further south, they could have served Evansville directly, went east and also set up closer proximity to Owensboro (until recently 3rd largest city in KY, but NOT third largest metro).  Evansville's population in the 50's was between 130-140k, which is about 20k larger than today, but more importantly the US population has doubled since then so Evansville's pop respectively was a much larger miss at that time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 09, 2021, 11:34:07 AM
From 1950 to now, the Evansville metro population has more than doubled from 160,000 to 360,000. This metro area includes three counties in Indiana and two counties in Kentucky, but Indiana accounts for about 300,000. Evansville definitely was slighted in the original Interstate plans.

As far as I can see, Evansville is the largest metro inside the large area from Indianapolis to St. Louis to Memphis to Nashville to Louisville and then back to Indy. Clarksville, TN is the second largest unless I missed something.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on December 09, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
I am going to attach myself to this thread.

I am in the Fishers area at least a couple times every year, so I-69 is big part of my life when I'm there.

I drove to Bloomington in 2020 along the future I-69 corridor and remember seeing construction, so I'm happy to have found this thread as I wanted to know more about what was going on.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 09, 2021, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on December 09, 2021, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 09, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
I-64 was re-routed southward after construction along the original route started in Indiana and Illinois. That is why US 50 around Vincennes is a freeway.

The story of the "southern alignment" vs. the "northern (US 50) alignment" of I-64 starts at p. 500 of the Purdue document.

https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2910&context=jtrp

Apparently the southern alignment was finalized after assurances to the locals that the US 50 corridor would be improved regardless of the shift of I-64 to the south.
Interesting to find out that with I-64 on the US 50/150 alignment, US 50 between Shoals and Cincinnati (document said east to Lawrenceburg, so I'm guessing they would have traffic feed onto I-275 there) would be upgraded as well, for St Louis-Cincinnati traffic. With the corridor moving south, using US 460 rather than US 50, the direct Cincinnati link wouldn't be needed anymore, as I-64/I-71 (and I-70/74 to the north for STL-CIN) does the job.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 09, 2021, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 09, 2021, 09:39:03 AM
The idea was to take as straight a shot as possible between Louisville and St. Louis.  I doubt planners cared about Vincennes.
I think there was debate on whether the route would better serve St. Louis - Cincinnati (US 50/150 thru Vincennes) or St. Louis - Louisville (southern route closer to Evansville) as well as first cost, which the southern route had an advantage in total cost thru IL/IN. Ultimately, both routes got something a little less than its boosters would have wanted...an improved US 50 that is incomplete end-to-end to this day, and an I-64 that didn't directly serve Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 09, 2021, 07:16:12 PM
This is a technically relevant to the I-69 extension discussion: the December 8 INDOT letting included an item for the reconstruction and widening of I-465 around the I-69 interchange on the north side of Indianapolis. This would be the first phase of the interchange reconstruction. As is becoming very common, none of the bids were below the engineer's estimate. The only two bids were from Walsh Construction for $214M and a consortium of E&B Paving LLC, Rieth-Riley Construction, and Gradex for $174M. Getting this interchange improved in the next two years is an important part of the I-69 extension as this stretch is where current I-69 will join I-465. It will then ultimately connect up with the new terrain road on the south side.

Last month all bids for widening I-65 from the Tippecanoe River to north of SR 43 were rejected by INDOT for this same reason, and AFAIK no new date has been set for that one.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on December 09, 2021, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 09, 2021, 09:39:03 AM
The idea was to take as straight a shot as possible between Louisville and St. Louis.  I doubt planners cared about Vincennes.

But if they really wanted a straight shot they would have started with a completely new corridor running near Centralia, IL; Mt. Carmel, IL, and Jasper, IN.

I've wonder if the US 50 - US 150 routing was partially planned with dreams of a future spur off I-64 along US 50 to Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on December 09, 2021, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 09, 2021, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 09, 2021, 09:39:03 AM
The idea was to take as straight a shot as possible between Louisville and St. Louis.  I doubt planners cared about Vincennes.

But if they really wanted a straight shot they would have started with a completely new corridor running near Centralia, IL; Mt. Carmel, IL, and Jasper, IN.

I've wonder if the US 50 - US 150 routing was partially planned with dreams of a future spur off I-64 along US 50 to Cincinnati.

Truck and rail traffic between Cincy & St Louis was pretty steady and significant post WW2.

But the the builds of I-70 and I-64 split the truck volumes and railroad mergers/abandonments have made other routes more advantageous.

There was a lot of debate about how far I-64 should go because there isn't anything between Mt Vernon and Evansville.

Today, traffic going north/south is growing faster in Indiana than east/west hence I-69.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jgindiana on December 11, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on December 09, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
I am going to attach myself to this thread.

I am in the Fishers area at least a couple times every year, so I-69 is big part of my life when I'm there.

I drove to Bloomington in 2020 along the future I-69 corridor and remember seeing construction, so I'm happy to have found this thread as I wanted to know more about what was going on.

This forum is great for me. I've been directly impacted by the I69 Project via a property acquisition and driveway realignment. I've followed this thread for years watching its progress. I especially enjoy ITB495's photos. I winter in Florida and I'm unable to see how things are progressing, and his photos are my link. When I was home in Indy, and they were right at the end of my driveway, I spent hours watching during the pandemic year of 2020. It amazes me, the amount of equipment and the earth that needs to be moved and shaped to make this interstate happen.

Thank you ITB495!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on December 12, 2021, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 09, 2021, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 09, 2021, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 09, 2021, 09:39:03 AM
The idea was to take as straight a shot as possible between Louisville and St. Louis.  I doubt planners cared about Vincennes.

But if they really wanted a straight shot they would have started with a completely new corridor running near Centralia, IL; Mt. Carmel, IL, and Jasper, IN.

I've wonder if the US 50 - US 150 routing was partially planned with dreams of a future spur off I-64 along US 50 to Cincinnati.

Truck and rail traffic between Cincy & St Louis was pretty steady and significant post WW2.

But the the builds of I-70 and I-64 split the truck volumes and railroad mergers/abandonments have made other routes more advantageous.

There was a lot of debate about how far I-64 should go because there isn't anything between Mt Vernon and Evansville.

Today, traffic going north/south is growing faster in Indiana than east/west hence I-69.

I-69 wasn't built to facilitate n-s traffic that exists, but to connect Evansville first with Indianapolis, but then later with Bloomington, and to create better access to Crane Naval Weapons Center. OTherwise there is almost nothing of note, almost no interstate traffic (yet) travelling that route. There simply isn't much along the route from Indy to Memphis that 69 connects, except the Evansville metro. Evansville was long isolated in Hoosier politics, in part because it wasn't along a route to any larger cities. As the Purdue dissertation stated, Evansville politicians lobbied HARD to get I-64 moved south, even after construction began around Vincennes. By the early 1970s, Evansville had much improved NS/EW connections with the Pennyrile/US 41 4 lane from I-24 in TN, north past Vincennes, Terre Haute and Chicago. Evansville still lacked a direct connection to the capital, and a good connection to Bloomington; recall that the Evansville region didn't have a state university until USI was established in the mid 1980s - many students went to ISU and IU. So there were reasons Evansvillians needed better connections; they leveraged the idea of a NAFTA Highway, and Bloomington's growth in the 1990s to get I-69 built. I was living in Terre Haute and Bloomington as the highway was being debated; those are the issues I recall.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 13, 2021, 02:40:34 PM
Weekly update of Interstate 69 in Indiana: https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-13-2021/ (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-13-2021/)

Also closing in on opening 17 miles of I-69 in Morgan County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 13, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
Wow! So will 69 be signed all the way up to 144 by Xmas?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 13, 2021, 07:47:42 PM
^ Is that highway portion going to be completely done, with all work zones lifted and a posted 70 mph limit, or still in a partial construction / free flow traffic mode?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 13, 2021, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 13, 2021, 07:47:42 PM
^ Is that highway portion going to be completely done, with all work zones lifted and a posted 70 mph limit, or still in a partial construction / free flow traffic mode?

It's going to limited to 45 mph, with only one lane in each direction. Interestingly, in a recent newspaper report, Sarah Rubin, I-69 Section 6 Project Manager, noted the FHWA requires the signing of an interstate to terminate at an interchange, or in I-69's case, an intersection, that being SR 144. Sorry, but I don't have the link at hand.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 13, 2021, 09:34:27 PM

Quote from: jgindiana on December 11, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
Thank you ITB495!

My pleasure. Thank you for the kind words and support!


Here's a few more recent pictures of the Martinsville segment. Photos were taken Sunday, December 12, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743261438_6fbf022e19_k.jpg)
The State Road 37/Morgan Street juncture just north of Martinsville; looking north from about 1/2 mile north of the State Road 44 overpass. Paving the last segment of the southbound lanes with concrete between the SR 44 overpass and aforementioned juncture has paused on Sunday, but will resume Monday, December 13th.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743262123_c68df2557d_k.jpg)
Closer look. New signage is now up.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743646564_c2c12398dc_k.jpg)
Looking northeast toward the southbound lanes from about a 1/2 mile north of the SR 44 overpass. In the background, the spreader and slipform paver sit, ready to be started up to pave the last stretch south to the SR 44 overpass. With Monday's good weather, it's a good bet the paving crew aimed to pave all the way to the SR 44 overpass, getting it all done in one day. This paving job will complete the paving of the southbound driving lanes. When completed, the entire Martinsville segment will be paved up, with the exception of the southbound inside shoulder north of SR 44, which will be paved soon, but later.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743656094_edff255a8a_k.jpg)
The view looking north from the SR 44 overpass. Striping in underway and near complete on the northbound lanes. According to the INDOT's latest Project Update (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-13-2021/), the northbound lanes will be opened to traffic first, followed by the southbound lanes a few days later. Not visible in the background is the slipform paver, which sits just around the bend.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743897650_d5b8069b94_k.jpg)
Looking southeast from the SR 44 overpass. The southbound lanes are now completely paved south of the overpass.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743010521_475c153175_k.jpg)
Sign gantry to be installed over the southbound collector/distributor lane about a quarter mile south of the SR 44 overpass; looking southeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743650444_950268c0d2_k.jpg)
The spot where the southbound collector/distributor lane splits off from the mainline; looking north.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51742183707_428c4d5c0c_k.jpg)
Closer look. The area around the drain has been opened up, including slicing the barrier wall, to fix ... a drainage problem. To have such an issue crop up less than three week until the road is scheduled to open has to be giving someone indigestion. But, I guess, you've got to roll with the punches.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743654324_caa6c33370_k.jpg)
Another view looking north from the SR 44 overpass. On the right is the northbound entrance ramp from SR 44.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743242768_6466f92c30_k.jpg)
Looking south toward the SR 44 overpass, with the aforementioned drain rework in the foreground left.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743007641_6021e6cb98_k.jpg)
Another look northeast from about 1/2 mile south of the SR 44 overpass. On top of the barrier wall are sets of dowel rods, which will be inserted into the side of the fresh concrete slab just after the slipform paver has passed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 13, 2021, 10:57:25 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 13, 2021, 09:34:27 PM

Quote from: jgindiana on December 11, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
Thank you ITB495!

My pleasure. Thank you for the kind words and support!


Here's a few more recent pictures of the Martinsville segment. Photos were taken Sunday, December 12, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743261438_6fbf022e19_k.jpg)
The State Road 37/Morgan Street juncture just north of Martinsville; looking north from about 1/2 mile north of the State Road 44 overpass. Paving the last segment of the southbound lanes with concrete between the SR 44 overpass and aforementioned juncture has paused on Sunday, but will resume Monday, December 13th.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743262123_c68df2557d_k.jpg)
Closer look. New signage is now up.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743646564_c2c12398dc_k.jpg)
Looking northeast toward the southbound lanes from about a 1/2 mile north of the SR 44 overpass. In the background, the spreader and slipform paver sit, ready to be started up to pave the last stretch south to the SR 44 overpass. With Monday's good weather, it's a good bet the paving crew aimed to pave all the way to the SR 44 overpass, getting it all done in one day. This paving job will complete the paving of the southbound driving lanes. When completed, the entire Martinsville segment will be paved up, with the exception of the southbound inside shoulder north of SR 44, which will be paved soon, but later.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743656094_edff255a8a_k.jpg)
The view looking north from the SR 44 overpass. Striping in underway and near complete on the northbound lanes. According to the INDOT's latest Project Update (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-13-2021/), the northbound lanes will be opened to traffic first, followed by the southbound lanes a few days later. Not visible in the background is the slipform paver, which sits just around the bend.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743897650_d5b8069b94_k.jpg)
Looking southeast from the SR 44 overpass. The southbound lanes are now completely paved south of the overpass.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743010521_475c153175_k.jpg)
Sign gantry to be installed over the southbound collector/distributor lane about a quarter mile south of the SR 44 overpass; looking southeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743650444_950268c0d2_k.jpg)
The spot where the southbound collector/distributor lane splits off from the mainline; looking north.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51742183707_428c4d5c0c_k.jpg)
Closer look. The area around the drain has been opened up, including slicing the barrier wall, to fix ... a drainage problem. To have such an issue crop up less than three week until the road is scheduled to open has to be giving someone indigestion. But, I guess, you've got to roll with the punches.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743654324_caa6c33370_k.jpg)
Another view looking north from the SR 44 overpass. On the right is the northbound entrance ramp from SR 44.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743242768_6466f92c30_k.jpg)
Looking south toward the SR 44 overpass, with the aforementioned drain rework in the foreground left.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743007641_6021e6cb98_k.jpg)
Another look northeast from about 1/2 mile south of the SR 44 overpass. On top of the barrier wall are sets of dowel rods, which will be inserted into the side of the fresh concrete slab just after the slipform paver has passed.

Looking at the second picture in the series, I couldn't help that there's a sign that says, "Trucks and vehicles with trailers, use right lane." And right next to it another sign that reads, "Right Lane Ends." :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 13, 2021, 10:59:22 PM
65 mph through Martinsville, but Bloomington is still limited to 55 mph?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 13, 2021, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 13, 2021, 10:59:22 PM
65 mph through Martinsville, but Bloomington is still limited to 55 mph?
That was the consolation prize for Bloomington dropping their opposition to I-69 through their city. They've now got a speed trap to help fill the city's coffers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 12:43:05 AM
Curious that the Martinsville section is signed I-69, while the Bloomington section is signed I-69/SR-37. Now INDOT will have to go back to Bloomington to remove the SR-37 signs. I'm thinking the northbound lanes may open this weekend, while southbound earlier next week so the workers can enjoy the holiday break.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 14, 2021, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 13, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
Wow! So will 69 be signed all the way up to 144 by Xmas?

It's likely.
https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2021/12/13/69-martinsville-ind-252-expected-close-near-69-wednesday/6491731001/ (https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2021/12/13/69-martinsville-ind-252-expected-close-near-69-wednesday/6491731001/)

From the Report Times:
QuoteINDOT monitors and coordinates the work of two separate construction contracts in Morgan County. Crews are on track to make the connection and begin the opening process before Christmas for the new I-69 in Martinsville and the new Ind. 37 lanes north of Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 14, 2021, 03:15:46 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 12:43:05 AM
Curious that the Martinsville section is signed I-69, while the Bloomington section is signed I-69/SR-37. Now INDOT will have to go back to Bloomington to remove the SR-37 signs. I'm thinking the northbound lanes may open this weekend, while southbound earlier next week so the workers can enjoy the holiday break.

Very unlikely the northbound lanes will be opened this weekend. For one, work is still continuing on the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange and its roundabouts. On Wednesday, December 15, plans are to completely close SR 252/Hospital Dr. in the construction zone to facilitate the remaining work that needs to be done. The closure is expected to last a week. Wet weather is forecast to move in Thursday and continue into Friday, so the closure period may have to be extended. It is extremely unlikely the northbound lanes will be opened to traffic while SR 252/Hospital Dr. is closed. Only when the interchange is functional, and everything else is signed off on, will the northbound lanes open.

As for the southbound lanes, INDOT specs require concrete pavement to cure for at least 14 days before non-construction traffic is allowed on it. However, PCC Pavement may be opened earlier after psi and other strength tests have been performed and which exceed certain specifications. It was just yesterday that the final southbound drive-lane stretch north of State Road 44 was paved. The crew may have been able to pave all the way south to the SR 44 overpass, completing the job, but maybe not. If not, then they'll be out there again today, Tuesday, to finish up. That new pavement needs to cure to meet spec. One caveat to the above: As INDOT regularly updates its Design Manual, the 14-day period referenced above may or may not be still be in effect as of this date. It probably is, but there's a chance revised specs may have been issued recently due to improvements in concrete admixtures, and so forth. If anyone knows anything about the 14-day spec and whether it's still in effect or not, please chime in.

And then there's the inside shoulder of the southbound segment north of SR 44. That still needs to be paved as well. Now it's possible INDOT might choose to open the southbound lanes without the shoulder being paved, but that's somewhat unrealistic and would only be allowed, I imagine, as a last resort. In all likelihood, the shoulder will be paved in the next two weeks, and because it's a non-drive area, it can be partitioned off with orange barrels until it cures properly. I imagine everyone involved in the project would like to see the shoulder paved before opening. Also, the bridge approach slabs at the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange may not be completely completed. If not, those pours will need time to cure properly too.

All in all, the Martinsville segment is very close to substantial completion. Exactly when the lanes will be completely opened to traffic is still uncertain, but undoubtedly it will happen before the end of 2021 barring some unforeseen event, such as a major snowstorm. As noted in an earlier post, the northbound lanes will be opened first, followed by the southbound a few days later.

Please note: I am in no way involved with I-69 project in any way. I'm just a construction watcher who takes pictures from time to time. The above analysis is mine and mine alone, and may or may not be accurate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 14, 2021, 07:38:00 AM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 14, 2021, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 13, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
Wow! So will 69 be signed all the way up to 144 by Xmas?

It's likely.

The Spring 2021 AASHTO applications document (https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2021/08/USRN-Applications_Compiled_2021.pdf) indicate they are only applying for signing I-69 from MM 135.61 to MM 141.21, and the document clearly states the following.

Quote
INDOT is upgrading 5.6 miles of ...

And then there is this text that is a part of any application:

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The State agrees and pledges its good faith that it will not erect, remove, or change any U.S. or Interstate Route Markers on any road without the authorization, consent, or approval of the Standing Committee on Highways of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, not withstanding the fact that the changes proposed are entirely within this State.

So unless there is a subsequent application, I-69 should be signed only to SR 44.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 14, 2021, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 12:43:05 AM
Curious that the Martinsville section is signed I-69, while the Bloomington section is signed I-69/SR-37. Now INDOT will have to go back to Bloomington to remove the SR-37 signs. I'm thinking the northbound lanes may open this weekend, while southbound earlier next week so the workers can enjoy the holiday break.

I would guess that the SR 37 signs stay on until the interstate is complete. As pointed out the I-69 designation only goes to SR 44 this year. I'm guessing with the completion of the SR 144 interchange next year (I think it's next year) the I-69 designation will move up that way by this time next year, maybe even further north.

I'm still hoping some signage along the Martinsville stretch at the SR 44/252 exits reference Franklin and Morgantown respectively. I still am not a big fan of Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive. At least the latter does have a hospital on it so it makes sense. I wonder if having a "TO Morgan Street" designation wouldn't be a bad idea since that's more of the main street in Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 14, 2021, 11:12:21 AM
That drainage "fix" at the barrier wall looks unusual. It looks like additional "slot drains" - metal pipe with a continuous top inlet section attached - are being added to the edge of pavement to pick up additional capacity that the square cast iron inlet doesn't catch, or drains too slowly. And I'm not sure why the bottom of the barrier has been partially removed and apparently set for re-casting - the shapes of those barriers are set to meet safety standards, and the only reason for removing and replacing is that something got damaged during construction, or they need to re-cast something into the barrier that wasn't there before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 14, 2021, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 12:43:05 AM
Curious that the Martinsville section is signed I-69, while the Bloomington section is signed I-69/SR-37. Now INDOT will have to go back to Bloomington to remove the SR-37 signs. I'm thinking the northbound lanes may open this weekend, while southbound earlier next week so the workers can enjoy the holiday break.

I would guess that the SR 37 signs stay on until the interstate is complete. As pointed out the I-69 designation only goes to SR 44 this year. I'm guessing with the completion of the SR 144 interchange next year (I think it's next year) the I-69 designation will move up that way by this time next year, maybe even further north.

I'm still hoping some signage along the Martinsville stretch at the SR 44/252 exits reference Franklin and Morgantown respectively. I still am not a big fan of Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive. At least the latter does have a hospital on it so it makes sense. I wonder if having a "TO Morgan Street" designation wouldn't be a bad idea since that's more of the main street in Martinsville.

Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington. Maybe this will be fixed when INDOT adds a control city to all the nb I-69 signage from Evansville to Bloomington, hehehe.

As a reply to ITB, perhaps then I-69 won't open before Christmas. Ten days wouldn't be enough time to complete everything. Maybe before New Years Day, but not before Christmas.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 14, 2021, 02:39:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?

  • Tell City to Bloomington
  • Fishers to Marion
  • Fort Wayne to Ohio border
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?


I think it will ultimately be 3 disjoint parts, which is not unprecedented. A couple other numbers have 3 disjointed segments.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 14, 2021, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?

  • Tell City to Bloomington
  • Fishers to Marion
  • Fort Wayne to Ohio border
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?

Yes, once 69 is complete, 37 will not exist in between the splits with 69. the new interchange on the NE side removes 37. And the Martinsville section already won't have 37 signed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 14, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?

  • Tell City to Bloomington
  • Fishers to Marion
  • Fort Wayne to Ohio border
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?
Are you talking about restoring the SR-37 designation to the Maysville Pike and Stellhorn Road inside of the I-469/SR-37 interchange? Or is there a proposed realignment of I-69 planned south of Fort Wayne that I'm not aware of, that would expose some of the old SR-37 alignment in that area and make it eligible for re-designation? I'm confused.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 14, 2021, 04:07:51 PM
SR 101 has four segments. And they don't even line up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 14, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?

  • Tell City to Bloomington
  • Fishers to Marion
  • Fort Wayne to Ohio border
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?
Are you talking about restoring the SR-37 designation to the Maysville Pike and Stellhorn Road inside of the I-469/SR-37 interchange? Or is there a proposed realignment of I-69 planned south of Fort Wayne that I'm not aware of, that would expose some of the old SR-37 alignment in that area and make it eligible for re-designation? I'm confused.

Sorry, 465 (south of Indy) not 469.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 14, 2021, 04:26:34 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 14, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?

  • Tell City to Bloomington
  • Fishers to Marion
  • Fort Wayne to Ohio border
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?
Are you talking about restoring the SR-37 designation to the Maysville Pike and Stellhorn Road inside of the I-469/SR-37 interchange? Or is there a proposed realignment of I-69 planned south of Fort Wayne that I'm not aware of, that would expose some of the old SR-37 alignment in that area and make it eligible for re-designation? I'm confused.

Sorry, 465 (south of Indy) not 469.

Okay, that makes more sense, but I think the remnant of SR-37 where I-69 will jog to the west before merging with I-465 will be too short to keep a state route designation. i think official plans call for that to be an extension of Harding Street when all is said and done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 14, 2021, 05:17:07 PM
It would be a great opportunity for INDOT to clean up some of the illogical disconnected segments like SR 37 has. When the system was being built out in the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s, discontinuous parts could be justified because gaps were presumably intended to be filled over time. At this point, creating gaps that will never be filled just adds confusion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 14, 2021, 05:46:26 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 14, 2021, 04:26:34 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 14, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2021, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 14, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Unfortunately, that would mean SR-37 would "disappear" northbound after the Liberty Church Rd exit, with I-69 being signed only from Martinsville north. I guess I'm saying that could have been better planned to have 37 end at the I-69/SR-37 interchange south of Bloomington.
Will 37 end up being 3 disjoint parts?

  • Tell City to Bloomington
  • Fishers to Marion
  • Fort Wayne to Ohio border
Or maybe 4, including that small part south of I-469 where I-69 will curve to the west?
Are you talking about restoring the SR-37 designation to the Maysville Pike and Stellhorn Road inside of the I-469/SR-37 interchange? Or is there a proposed realignment of I-69 planned south of Fort Wayne that I'm not aware of, that would expose some of the old SR-37 alignment in that area and make it eligible for re-designation? I'm confused.

Sorry, 465 (south of Indy) not 469.

Okay, that makes more sense, but I think the remnant of SR-37 where I-69 will jog to the west before merging with I-465 will be too short to keep a state route designation. i think official plans call for that to be an extension of Harding Street when all is said and done.

that leftover piece will not be a signed state highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 15, 2021, 02:12:35 AM
A few more pictures of the Martinsville segment. Photos were taken Tuesday, December 14, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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As night approached, a concrete paving crew was at work paving a small section of the southbound inside shoulder and part of the left lane near the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection just north of Martinsville; looking northwest.

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Another perspective of the paving operation; looking southeast. In the foreground is Morgan Street, tinged by the taillight of a passing car.

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The State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection just north of Martinsville; looking east. It was around 5:45pm and a steady stream of vehicles southbound on SR 37 were funneling into Martinsville. By now a good number of drivers who regularly use SR 37 have figured out that going through Martinsville is a better alternative than the detour.

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Mid-range view of the paving operation and the SR 37/Morgan Street intersection; looking slightly northwest.

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The view looking southwest. The little green neon specks are probably from dust on the camera lens that caught the light in a certain way.

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Close up view of the paving operation with the long range lens; looking slightly northwest. The crew had only a little bit more to go before calling it a night. It appears several hundred more feet of the inside shoulder is being prepped for paving, which may get underway Wednesday, December 15th.

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Another view of the paving operation. This little segment needed to be completed before reconfiguring the slipform paver to pave adjacent to the barrier wall.

As expected, the concrete paving of the southbound drive-lanes between the State Road 44 overpass and the SR 37/Morgan Street crossing to the north is now complete. That leaves only the southbound inside shoulder area north of SR 44 as the final concrete paving work. And that has started already. Good weather is forecast Wednesday with a high around 60 — and, yes, that temp is unusual for this time of year — but rain is expected both Thursday and Friday, followed by cooler weather. It should take only a couple of days to pave up the shoulder area, which means it will probably be completed early next week, weather dependent. Work is continuing on the roundabouts at the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange. As noted in an previous post, SR 252/Hospital Dr. will be closed Wednesday, December 15, in the construction zone to facilitate the roundabout work. The closure is anticipated to last about a week.

Edit: Added a photo; minor text additions
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 16, 2021, 03:25:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtkTAdxlUMg

Here's an update video on the I-69 corridor in Marion County with some design modifications. At Epler Avenue, the original plans called for I-69 to go over Epler, but I-69 will now go under Epler. Belmont Avenue will be realigned west of I-69, so that means the intersection with Edgewood Avenue will be closed permanently with a cul-de-sac sometime in Spring 2022.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 17, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 16, 2021, 03:25:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtkTAdxlUMg

Here's an update video on the I-69 corridor in Marion County with some design modifications. At Epler Avenue, the original plans called for I-69 to go over Epler, but I-69 will now go under Epler. Belmont Avenue will be realigned west of I-69, so that means the intersection with Edgewood Avenue will be closed permanently with a cul-de-sac sometime in Spring 2022.

So we will expect some more closures for traffic taking that route to Indianapolis.  At least close to Indy, there will be some work-arounds (ie-old highway 37 into town).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 18, 2021, 12:27:24 AM
https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/morgan-county/martinsville/interstate-69-will-open-for-traffic-next-week-in-martinsville

Northbound opens Monday and southbound later in the week!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 18, 2021, 01:32:16 AM
Nice to hear it opening after a nearly year of construction!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 18, 2021, 08:21:01 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 18, 2021, 12:27:24 AM
https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/morgan-county/martinsville/interstate-69-will-open-for-traffic-next-week-in-martinsville

Northbound opens Monday and southbound later in the week!

The WRTV article says:
Quote
When work is complete, I-69 will run from the Canadian border at Port Sarnia, Michigan to Evansville.

Hmmm. I guess basic geography isn't the strong suit of that reporter.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jlam on December 18, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Will the segment from Martinsville to SH 144 be signed as I-69, or just have open lanes?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 18, 2021, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 18, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Will the segment from Martinsville to SH 144 be signed as I-69, or just have open lanes?

As of now, the state has only applied for the I-69 designation up to IN 44. When it reopens, it will be freeway all the way up to IN 144 but the I-69 designation won't get applied until later.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 18, 2021, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 18, 2021, 12:27:24 AM
https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/morgan-county/martinsville/interstate-69-will-open-for-traffic-next-week-in-martinsville

Northbound opens Monday and southbound later in the week!

I'll admit I was very surprised to hear the news of the northbound lanes opening on Monday. But pleasantly surprised. Ryctor2018 called it earlier this week, and a hat tip is deserved. I had thought the northbound lanes would be opened Monday, December 27th, followed soon afterwards by the southbound. But, obviously, the powers-that-are had other ideas.

There's still a lot of work to do in Martinsville. The roundabouts at the SR 252/Hospital interchange are a work in progress as is the southbound inside shoulder north of State Road 44. Moreover, State Road 252/Hospital Dr. is still closed in the construction zone and, apparently, will be for a few more days, unless there's been a change in plans. If SR 252/Hospital Dr. remains closed northbound I-69 traffic will not be able to exit at that interchange. To be sure, the closure may be just a few days. Nevertheless, I wonder why the contractor wasn't given a few more days to more fully complete the interchange. It all seems so rush, rush, these last few days.

I was planning to go to Martinsville on Sunday for another look-see. But the news of the opening induced me to head up Saturday afternoon. Even though it had rained a lot Friday night and into Saturday morning, finally tapering off around noon, I had a hunch something would be going on, work wise.

Here's a few pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, December 18, 2021, unless otherwise noted. Remember, to expand the photos, Right Click, or whatever works best with your browser.

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Looking north from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. Around 4:00pm, three crews were busy at work in this area, two at work placing concrete for the southbound inside shoulder and one extending the median barrier wall further south. Temperature was around 40 degrees.

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The view looking southeast from near the SR 44 overpass. Work also was happening at the SR 252/Hospital Dr. I didn't have time for a closer look, but it appeared they were doing curb work for the roundabouts when I quickly peeked while driving by on Morgan Street.

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Another perspective looking slightly northwest from the SR 44 overpass. Mixers and dump trucks loaded with fresh concrete were frequently arriving on site, and soon leaving for another batch. Earlier I had noticed a couple of dump trucks turning west onto Rogers Road in Martinsville, in all likelihood heading to the Rogers Group batch plant. That's probably were most, if not all, of the today's concrete was coming from.

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And another look. It was chilly, and with evening rapidly approaching, getting dark. For a few minutes all the overhead lighting blinked on, then some were turned off. With only about 60 more feet to do on the barrier wall, the crew's short work day was coming to an end. As it needs time to cure, the barrier wall extension — an important safety feature — had to be completed ASAP. Near the sign posts, crew members have started covering the wall with protective, insulating sheeting, as temps as expected to drop into the low 30s tonight.

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Mid-range shot; looking north from the SR 44 overpass.

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And one more. Construction vehicles of all sorts usually with lights flashing were zipping up and down the northbound lanes, heading to one spot or another. It was quite a scene to behold.

I took more pictures and many from different locations near the work zone north of SR 44. However, I've maxed out my hard drive, so I've got to deal with that first before uploading more photos to my Flickr page and then posting here.

Edit: Added a couple more photos.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 19, 2021, 03:12:53 PM
Thanks, ITB. But, you're there daily in the cold taking pics for us. You da man! I tip my cap to you. I was relying on my C.E. background to guesstimate the opening day(s). With the holiday's right around the corner, I know those guys in the construction zone wanna get this wrapped up as much as they can before the holiday break. They need it working many hard days, and deserve the time to spend with their families.

I would imagine that the route would not be fully open; I would not be surprised at all if both directions of I-69 have cones blocking lanes, more concrete to pour and signage and other punch items to do well into Jan 2022. I won't be able to drive down from Chicago to view it myself. I'll be 1,000 miles away in Florida for the holidays so I'll check on the pics/video after the road opens.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 20, 2021, 03:09:46 AM

Few more pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, December 18, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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The view looking south from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville two days before the northbound lanes will be opened to traffic, Monday, December 20th.

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Closer look.

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Placing concrete for the southbound inside shoulder about a half mile south of the State Road 44 overpass; looking northwest.

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Different perspective of the above; looking south.

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Looking southeast from near the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection just north of Martinsville.

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Dump truck loaded with fresh concrete headed to delivery; looking southeast from about a quarter mile north of the SR 44 overpass.

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Another look south from near the SR 44 overpass in Martinsville.

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Southbound signage about a quarter mile south of the SR 44 overpass; looking southeast.

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Cleaning cut concrete joints with either high pressure water or air about a half mile north of the State Road 44 overpass; looking west.

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Looking slightly northwest toward the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection just north of Martinsville. When the northbound lanes are opened tomorrow the Morgan Street access point to northbound State Road 37 will be closed.

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Spot where the northbound collector/distributor lane will merge with the mainline about a half mile of the SR 44 overpass; looking south. Note the solid white stripe delineating the left lane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 20, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/northbound-stretch-of-i-69-through-martinsville-opens-monday/531-0c9ccffc-5f3d-49b0-96b8-5d529a7c652d

They're doing a ribbon-cutting today with the Governor and state/local politicians, so if they wanted to do that before the Holidays that would also explain the rush to get stuff open.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on December 20, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: thefro on December 20, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/northbound-stretch-of-i-69-through-martinsville-opens-monday/531-0c9ccffc-5f3d-49b0-96b8-5d529a7c652d

They're doing a ribbon-cutting today with the Governor and state/local politicians, so if they wanted to do that before the Holidays that would also explain the rush to get stuff open.

You have to like that WTHR traffic girl....."there gonna be a ribbone cuttin taday"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on December 20, 2021, 11:02:35 AM
"It is with great pride that I officially open this unfinished bridge" Bikini Bottom Mayor from SpongeBob,2002.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 20, 2021, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: thefro on December 20, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/northbound-stretch-of-i-69-through-martinsville-opens-monday/531-0c9ccffc-5f3d-49b0-96b8-5d529a7c652d

They're doing a ribbon-cutting today with the Governor and state/local politicians, so if they wanted to do that before the Holidays that would also explain the rush to get stuff open.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/3010faf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefro on December 20, 2021, 02:10:27 PM


Here's a project update video focusing on Marion County that was posted Thursday
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on December 20, 2021, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 20, 2021, 03:09:46 AM
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Another look south from near the SR 44 overpass in Martinsville.

Is that a mistake? I thought IN 44 only went eastbound from this intersection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 20, 2021, 08:47:14 PM
https://www.wlfi.com/content/news/New-Interstate-69-section-reopened-in-central-Indiana-575950821.html (https://www.wlfi.com/content/news/New-Interstate-69-section-reopened-in-central-Indiana-575950821.html)

It turns out southbound lanes will open later this week.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2021, 01:41:41 AM
At 5 pm on Monday, the process of opening the northbound lanes of I-69 in Martinsville got underway. The first step in the process was opening the northbound entrance ramp from State Road 44, followed, to my surprise, by the opening of the southbound exit ramp to SR 44. Just prior to the ramp openings, the State Road 37/Morgan Street intersection was sealed off.

And yet, at 6 pm, the northbound lanes still remained closed between the SR 44 overpass and the Indian Creek bridges to the south. It appeared the plan was to open the northbound lanes in segments, moving south from the SR 44 overpass/interchange, and progressing interchange by interchange. However, work was continuing into the evening in the vicinity of eastern roundabout at the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange, and that may have impacted the opening process. Exactly what work was ongoing I don't know. If the northbound exit ramp to SR 252 was to be opened, at least half of the eastern traffic circle needed to functional, allowing exiting traffic to travel east on SR 252 or to swing around north to the collector/distributor lane leading up to State Road 44 and to I-69 northbound.

Because I didn't stick around after 6 pm, I don't know what exactly transpired. But it's a good chance the northbound lanes were completely opened not too long after. After all, the plan was to open the northbound on Monday, and that they most likely did, even if the process went late into the night.

Photos were taken Monday, December 20, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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At 5:45 pm, looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass in Martinsville.

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Looking south from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. As the lanes were not yet open, the car probably was driven by a construction team member who was either heading to check something out or going home. I say "probably" because I've seen a lot of strange things while taking pictures, and it's not inconceivable someone managed to get on the road.

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To facilitate the construction of the roundabouts at SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange, Hospital Drive is closed just east of the hospital; looking east. Seems like a couple more construction days will be needed to complete the western roundabout to the extent it is functional and SR 252/Hospital Dr. can be reopened.

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Removing the "closed" banner off the sign at the State Road 44 overpass; looking east.

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Traffic entering the just opened northbound lanes via the entrance ramp at State Road 44; looking south.

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Southbound traffic on the exit ramp to SR 44; looking northeast. Note the drone in use, probably being utilized to monitor the traffic as the lanes opened up. I didn't attempt to get on the overpass itself as I normally would because traffic was heavy, and vehicles were going this way and that. As expected, some drivers seemed unfamiliar with the new pattern, but, generally, most everyone was courteous and cautious.

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Looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass at about 4:30pm.

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Closer look.

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Vehicles which entered the northbound lanes at SR 44 head north on the newly opened pavement. At the bottom of the hill, the former State Road 37/Morgan Street juncture has been sealed off.

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Another perspective looking north from the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass as night began to settle in.

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Signage on Hospital Dr. near the SR 252/Hospital Dr. interchange; looking east.

Edit: minor wording edits for readability and accuracy
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 21, 2021, 02:26:09 AM
Interesting that they went with green enhanced mile markers here, when the rest of the state uses blue ones. Just simply an inconsistency from the contractor, or hinting towards the entire state eventually switching from blue to green ones?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on December 21, 2021, 07:26:17 AM
I live in a green enhanced mile marker state (Georgia).  I think for consistency sake, use of green makes more sense than blue, even though the current edition of the MUTCD allows either color.  I would not be surprised if Indiana is going to switch over the long term.  Although since I live 500 miles from that location, I can't say that I have any inside knowledge of INDOT or their policy, despite having started my career there a long time ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on December 21, 2021, 07:42:43 AM
Google Maps is showing the Northbound lanes of I-69 in Martinsville as open and Green at the moment. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 21, 2021, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 21, 2021, 02:26:09 AM
Interesting that they went with green enhanced mile markers here, when the rest of the state uses blue ones. Just simply an inconsistency from the contractor, or hinting towards the entire state eventually switching from blue to green ones?

In the photos, I only saw the half mile markers, and these have always been green. Historically, they didn't have the shield on them, but SR 265 has half mile markers with the state highway marker on them. Recent widenings have used blue markers.Google Maps Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3440505,-85.7131424,3a,24.7y,122.66h,86.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2CKILdc1b85wQUlOJvKYSw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2CKILdc1b85wQUlOJvKYSw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D230.13637%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).

Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on December 21, 2021, 07:26:17 AM
I live in a green enhanced mile marker state (Georgia).  I think for consistency sake, use of green makes more sense than blue, even though the current edition of the MUTCD allows either color.  I would not be surprised if Indiana is going to switch over the long term.  Although since I live 500 miles from that location, I can't say that I have any inside knowledge of INDOT or their policy, despite having started my career there a long time ago.


I thought I read years ago that Indiana the first state to install enhanced mile markers. If so, blue would have been the precedent that was set.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 21, 2021, 08:25:24 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 21, 2021, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 21, 2021, 02:26:09 AM
Interesting that they went with green enhanced mile markers here, when the rest of the state uses blue ones. Just simply an inconsistency from the contractor, or hinting towards the entire state eventually switching from blue to green ones?

In the photos, I only saw the half mile markers, and these have always been green. Historically, they didn't have the shield on them, but SR 265 has half mile markers with the state highway marker on them. Recent widenings have used blue markers.Google Maps Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3440505,-85.7131424,3a,24.7y,122.66h,86.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2CKILdc1b85wQUlOJvKYSw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2CKILdc1b85wQUlOJvKYSw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D230.13637%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
That would make a bit more sense. Still a bot odd that it's placed in the median for half mile makers, as they're generally placed in the sides, with the median for the blue 0.1 or 0.2 mile markers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 21, 2021, 09:28:11 AM
I-69 (or SR 37) north of Martinsville has the blue mile markers from what I've seen. The Martinsville ones seem to be an inconsistency from what INDOT normally does on highways. By in large the enhanced mile markers continue to be blue. Full mile or half-mile mile markers are still green. I-69 from Martinsville to Bloomington has a weird set up of blue mile markers for the whole mile and green mile markers (the normal ones without the highway shield) for the half-mile.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 21, 2021, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 21, 2021, 08:25:24 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 21, 2021, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 21, 2021, 02:26:09 AM
Interesting that they went with green enhanced mile markers here, when the rest of the state uses blue ones. Just simply an inconsistency from the contractor, or hinting towards the entire state eventually switching from blue to green ones?

In the photos, I only saw the half mile markers, and these have always been green. Historically, they didn't have the shield on them, but SR 265 has half mile markers with the state highway marker on them. Recent widenings have used blue markers.Google Maps Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3440505,-85.7131424,3a,24.7y,122.66h,86.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2CKILdc1b85wQUlOJvKYSw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2CKILdc1b85wQUlOJvKYSw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D230.13637%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
That would make a bit more sense. Still a bot odd that it's placed in the median for half mile makers, as they're generally placed in the sides, with the median for the blue 0.1 or 0.2 mile markers.

The "generally" qualifier is definitely correct. Not all blue enhanced reference markers are in the median in Indiana. I-69 in Hamilton County has the .1 mile enhanced markers along the right side of the roadway irrespective of the existence of a median barrier. But those green half mile markers in Martinsville would qualify as enhanced reference markers despite the interval (same with the green ones on SR 265).

I think the ITR in Lake County also has some green enhanced markers that have been there for years, but that highway is not maintained by INDOT. The part of SR 265 not maintained by INDOT has regular-style mile markers in the median at .1 mile intervals.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 21, 2021, 10:53:29 AM
I look at 5he NB exit signage for Rueben Dr/Hospital Dr, and as a driver, I would find that counter intuitive since I would encounter Hospital Dr first.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on December 21, 2021, 01:01:19 PM
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Peeling the "closed" banner off the sign at the State Road 44 overpass; looking east.
Hmm. Peeled. I always thought the "closed"  banner was screwed into the sign.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2021, 01:31:13 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 21, 2021, 01:01:19 PM
Hmm. Peeled. I always thought the "closed"  banner was screwed into the sign.
That's probably correct. I thought it was some sort of sticker that was attached, but, considering again, that seems a little silly. I'll modify the original post from "peeled" to "removed."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on December 21, 2021, 02:43:41 PM
This segment has moved along so quick! One question: Why is there a switch in pavement types? In other sections to the south, it was because of soil conditions (my recollection on that topic), but here it looks more arbitrary. Cost?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2021, 08:50:41 PM

The northbound lanes in Martinsville have been fully opened, as expected. Even State Road 252/Hospital Drive was open to traffic, although a good amount of work remained in that work zone.

Photos were taken Tuesday, December 21, 2021.

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Looking south from the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville.

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The northbound exit ramp to State Road 44; looking northwest. The median barrier wall, which has been extended south of the SR 44 overpass, is covered in protective sheeting.

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Another perspective from near the SR 44 overpass; looking southwest.

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Mid-range view looking southwest toward the city of Martinsville. Northbound traffic was generally light, as the more moderate early evening southbound traffic was making its way through Martinsville proper, heading to Bloomington and points further south.

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One more looking south from the SR 44 overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2021, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 21, 2021, 02:43:41 PM
This segment has moved along so quick! One question: Why is there a switch in pavement types? In other sections to the south, it was because of soil conditions (my recollection on that topic), but here it looks more arbitrary. Cost?

In the area of the State Road 252/Hospital Dr. interchange asphalt was the favored material instead of concrete. This was because of the extensive fill that was utilized to substantially elevate the ground so I-69 would go over SR 252. It was a large undertaking with thousands of tons of rock and soil trucked in. However, with large scale fills, there is always the risk of settlement occurring, despite best efforts to prevent otherwise. At the SR 252 interchange, for instance, a massive surcharge was placed on top of the fill, and later removed, to enhance settlement. Asphalt, typically deemed a flexible pavement, would give a little if any settlement occurred, whether six months or six years later, while concrete, considered a rigid pavement, might crack.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 01:07:35 AM
So guys, what is now the northern endpoint of I-69. I saw in ITB's pictures that there's a 'Freeway Ends 1 Mile' sign around SR-44 nb. Some have said the end of the interstate is SR-44, or just north of there. But, the Henderson Ford interchange is signed as exit 145 and opened. Also, I-69 is signed north of SR-44 on ITB's pictures. I also personally saw blue I-69 mile markers from the SR-144 intersection southward. So is the new north end of I-69 SR-44, Henderson Ford Rd, or SR-144? Or sort of indeterminate as the road is built out going north?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2021, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 01:07:35 AM
So guys, what is now the northern endpoint of I-69. I saw in ITB's pictures that there's a 'Freeway Ends 1 Mile' sign around SR-44 nb. Some have said the end of the interstate is SR-44, or just north of there. But, the Henderson Ford interchange is signed as exit 145 and opened. Also, I-69 is signed north of SR-44 on ITB's pictures. I also personally saw blue I-69 mile markers from the SR-144 intersection southward. So is the new north end of I-69 SR-44, Henderson Ford Rd, or SR-144? Or sort of indeterminate as the road is built out going north?

I-69 currently ends at SR-44, per the request to AASHTO from INDOT.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 22, 2021, 02:24:50 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2021, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 01:07:35 AM
So guys, what is now the northern endpoint of I-69. I saw in ITB's pictures that there's a 'Freeway Ends 1 Mile' sign around SR-44 nb. Some have said the end of the interstate is SR-44, or just north of there. But, the Henderson Ford interchange is signed as exit 145 and opened. Also, I-69 is signed north of SR-44 on ITB's pictures. I also personally saw blue I-69 mile markers from the SR-144 intersection southward. So is the new north end of I-69 SR-44, Henderson Ford Rd, or SR-144? Or sort of indeterminate as the road is built out going north?

I-69 currently ends at SR-44, per the request to AASHTO from INDOT.

While I'm not qualified or particularly knowledgeable regarding the signing of interstates, the process, etc., I can inform there's a temporary driveway off the northbound lanes for First United Methodist Church and the Ozark Fisheries facility about three miles north of the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. It's right-in, right-out only. Until the Myra Lane overpass is constructed in 2022, this driveway will remain in use. Can a highway be officially designated an interstate if a access-point driveway is present? It's possible, I guess, with a special exemption, but I have doubts.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 22, 2021, 02:54:48 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2021, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 01:07:35 AM
So guys, what is now the northern endpoint of I-69. I saw in ITB's pictures that there's a 'Freeway Ends 1 Mile' sign around SR-44 nb. Some have said the end of the interstate is SR-44, or just north of there. But, the Henderson Ford interchange is signed as exit 145 and opened. Also, I-69 is signed north of SR-44 on ITB's pictures. I also personally saw blue I-69 mile markers from the SR-144 intersection southward. So is the new north end of I-69 SR-44, Henderson Ford Rd, or SR-144? Or sort of indeterminate as the road is built out going north?

I-69 currently ends at SR-44, per the request to AASHTO from INDOT.

I wonder where I-69 could end by the end of next year in terms of finished portions of the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 22, 2021, 07:06:41 AM
Quote from: ITB on December 22, 2021, 02:24:50 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2021, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 01:07:35 AM
So guys, what is now the northern endpoint of I-69. I saw in ITB's pictures that there's a 'Freeway Ends 1 Mile' sign around SR-44 nb. Some have said the end of the interstate is SR-44, or just north of there. But, the Henderson Ford interchange is signed as exit 145 and opened. Also, I-69 is signed north of SR-44 on ITB's pictures. I also personally saw blue I-69 mile markers from the SR-144 intersection southward. So is the new north end of I-69 SR-44, Henderson Ford Rd, or SR-144? Or sort of indeterminate as the road is built out going north?

I-69 currently ends at SR-44, per the request to AASHTO from INDOT.

While I'm not qualified or particularly knowledgeable regarding the signing of interstates, the process, etc., I can inform there's a temporary driveway off the northbound lanes for First United Methodist Church and the Ozark Fisheries facility about three miles north of the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville. It's right-in, right-out only. Until the Myra Lane overpass is constructed in 2022, this driveway will remain in use. Can a highway be officially designated an interstate if a access-point driveway is present? It's possible, I guess, with a special exemption, but I have doubts.


There are interstates in the remote parts of the west with at grade access points, but I can't think of an example in this part of the country.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 22, 2021, 07:44:04 AM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 22, 2021, 02:54:48 AM
I wonder where I-69 could end by the end of next year in terms of finished portions of the interstate.

You can infer when the road might be signed from the construction schedule (https://i69finishline.com/construction-schedule/). It looks like the Morgan County section will be completed by the end of 2022, but the SR 144 interchange is in Johnson County. That interchange might be completed in 2022 as actual construction of the road begins next year. I believe INDOT will sign it only when the SR 144 interchange is done - new signed sections of I-69 have always ended at state roads: SR 68, US 231, SR 37, SR 39, and now SR 44 so this time next year would be the earliest possible.

SR 144 is the last state road before I-465, so the final signed section will probably be between SR 144 and I-465 at the end of 2024.

Unless that published schedule has been accelerated, that seems to be the plan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
I-69 ends at Morgan St. technically. Just north of SR 44. but on the books it ends at 44, since interstates have to end at an arterial per fed rules.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 22, 2021, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
I-69 ends at Morgan St. technically. Just north of SR 44. but on the books it ends at 44, since interstates have to end at an arterial per fed rules.

Undoubtedly, the same would be true at SR 144.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 22, 2021, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
I-69 ends at Morgan St. technically. Just north of SR 44. but on the books it ends at 44, since interstates have to end at an arterial per fed rules.

Undoubtedly, the same would be true at SR 144.

Good to hear. So, though you have exits being built north of Martinsville, with I-69 mile markers, I-69 ends at SR-44. It's still funny with the different style of mile marker others have noted upthread. Maybe different contractors working with INDOT with what's done in their district? I don't know, but Bloomington - Indianapolis is not that long to have those different markers on a newly constructed interstate (as oppose to a resurfacing project).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 22, 2021, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 22, 2021, 07:44:04 AM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 22, 2021, 02:54:48 AM
I wonder where I-69 could end by the end of next year in terms of finished portions of the interstate.

You can infer when the road might be signed from the construction schedule (https://i69finishline.com/construction-schedule/). It looks like the Morgan County section will be completed by the end of 2022, but the SR 144 interchange is in Johnson County. That interchange might be completed in 2022 as actual construction of the road begins next year. I believe INDOT will sign it only when the SR 144 interchange is done - new signed sections of I-69 have always ended at state roads: SR 68, US 231, SR 37, SR 39, and now SR 44 so this time next year would be the earliest possible.

SR 144 is the last state road before I-465, so the final signed section will probably be between SR 144 and I-465 at the end of 2024.

Unless that published schedule has been accelerated, that seems to be the plan.

What I am getting is that I-69 may end at SR 144 by 2023 as well because of incomplete portions between I-465 and SR 144, although the I-465 & I-69 interchange will be done by 2022 and might stay closed until 2023 due to the Southport Road interchange finishing by 2022.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 04:44:02 PM
Southbound opens tomorrow!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 22, 2021, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 22, 2021, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
I-69 ends at Morgan St. technically. Just north of SR 44. but on the books it ends at 44, since interstates have to end at an arterial per fed rules.

Undoubtedly, the same would be true at SR 144.

Good to hear. So, though you have exits being built north of Martinsville, with I-69 mile markers, I-69 ends at SR-44. It's still funny with the different style of mile marker others have noted upthread. Maybe different contractors working with INDOT with what's done in their district? I don't know, but Bloomington - Indianapolis is not that long to have those different markers on a newly constructed interstate (as oppose to a resurfacing project).

The mile markers on I-69 from the split with SR 37 south in Bloomington up to Martinsville will need to be cleaned up at some point. It don't matter if they're in the median or on the side but they should be consistent with either the blue enhanced markers used in urban/subuuran areas or the green mile and half mile markers used on the rest of I-69 south of Bloomington.

I saw something interesting in the posted INDOT STIP projects that someone mentioned on the Indiana thread a few weeks ago. There is funding in place for a final updating of signage along I-69. The project mentions  "PR-69 from RP 0+0 to RP 135+0
: Final signing for new Interstate 69."  I'm hoping this means adding mileage signs and changing the northbound control city to Indianapolis. The timing for this project appears to be 2023 and 2024 so this would seem likely. There's also another plan for adding ITS along most of I-69 from Evansville up to Martinsville so at some point there should be traffic cameras along that entire highway.

I'm planning on checking out the Martinsville I-69 on Christmas Eve so I'm happy to hear southbound is opening too. I'm still going to beat the drum that Exit 140 should be mentioning the control destinations of Morgantown and Franklin from SR 252 and 44 respectively. It may not change and I'll live with it but I still think that's more important information for those traveling than Reuben and Hospital Drives.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 22, 2021, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 22, 2021, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 22, 2021, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 22, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
I-69 ends at Morgan St. technically. Just north of SR 44. but on the books it ends at 44, since interstates have to end at an arterial per fed rules.

Undoubtedly, the same would be true at SR 144.

Good to hear. So, though you have exits being built north of Martinsville, with I-69 mile markers, I-69 ends at SR-44. It's still funny with the different style of mile marker others have noted upthread. Maybe different contractors working with INDOT with what's done in their district? I don't know, but Bloomington - Indianapolis is not that long to have those different markers on a newly constructed interstate (as oppose to a resurfacing project).

The mile markers on I-69 from the split with SR 37 south in Bloomington up to Martinsville will need to be cleaned up at some point. It don't matter if they're in the median or on the side but they should be consistent with either the blue enhanced markers used in urban/subuuran areas or the green mile and half mile markers used on the rest of I-69 south of Bloomington.

I saw something interesting in the posted INDOT STIP projects that someone mentioned on the Indiana thread a few weeks ago. There is funding in place for a final updating of signage along I-69. The project mentions  "PR-69 from RP 0+0 to RP 135+0
: Final signing for new Interstate 69."  I'm hoping this means adding mileage signs and changing the northbound control city to Indianapolis. The timing for this project appears to be 2023 and 2024 so this would seem likely. There's also another plan for adding ITS along most of I-69 from Evansville up to Martinsville so at some point there should be traffic cameras along that entire highway.

I'm planning on checking out the Martinsville I-69 on Christmas Eve so I'm happy to hear southbound is opening too. I'm still going to beat the drum that Exit 140 should be mentioning the control destinations of Morgantown and Franklin from SR 252 and 44 respectively. It may not change and I'll live with it but I still think that's more important information for those traveling than Reuben and Hospital Drives.

I wonder if they have signs for Morgantown and Franklin at the bottom of the ramp  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 23, 2021, 06:43:57 PM
I-69 is now open in the SB direction in Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 23, 2021, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 23, 2021, 06:43:57 PM
I-69 is now open in the SB direction in Martinsville.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/30250b9
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 24, 2021, 05:39:11 PM
I took a quick run down to Martinsville this morning to see the newest section of I-69. As discussed earlier in this thread, the mile markers are very inconsistent in this stretch from the north end of section 5 up to SR 144. This is a summary of what I saw.








Location
Type
Color
Interval
Placement
Section 5 (existing I-69)Intermediate (no shield or cardinal direction)Green.5 milesRight shoulder
Between north end of section 5 and SR 39Enhanced with no fractional number on full milesBlue.5 milesRight shoulder
Martinsville new section (SR 39 to Morgan St.)EnhancedGreen.5 milesMedian
North of Morgan St. to MM 151EnhancedBlue.5 milesRight shoulder
From MM 151 north to SR 144EnhancedBlue.2 milesRight shoulder

The little mile markers that mark bridges were also green where the green enhanced reference markers existed in Martinsville. That makes me think the green ones are a mistake.

I Googled trying to find some of the history behind the history of the enhanced reference markers. This report on the evaluation of reference markers (https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.954.7422&rep=rep1&type=pdf) describes some of the issues and discussions that occurred back in the late 1990s. This particular document is from the Kentucky Transportation Center. One finding about the color choice is the following:

Quote
The results of this preliminary evaluation were reported and there was a general consensus that the "white on blue" markers could be more distinguishable and could serve to supplement the standard milepost marker which has traditionally been "white on green" in conformance with concept that the information presented serves as guide sign-type information.


Back to I-69.... other highlights from my quick drive down to Martinsville today:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 24, 2021, 05:56:08 PM
I drove mainline and every movement today. SB could realistically be signed I-69 south of Banta Road (Not the Marion County Banta Road). NB can only be signed to up Morgan St. I am basing this on if there were any drive crossings, not official Fed rules. NB the "Freeway Ends" sign is in a weird place, on the right side of the C/D ramps. Everything is pretty nice though, SR 39 is extremely confusing now, once it is done it will be much easier to drive. I also drove the Henderson Ford Road interchange, that roundabout is weird... Everything is extremely tight and they use panel signs in the roundabout for some reason. ML SB needs a couple of signs, some of the exit signs are on temp wood poles now. the side roads need a lot of work, they arent close to completely done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 24, 2021, 06:22:54 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 24, 2021, 05:56:08 PM
I drove mainline and every movement today. SB could realistically be signed I-69 south of Banta Road (Not the Marion County Banta Road). NB can only be signed to up Morgan St. I am basing this on if there were any drive crossings, not official Fed rules. NB the "Freeway Ends" sign is in a weird place, on the right side of the C/D ramps. Everything is pretty nice though, SR 39 is extremely confusing now, once it is done it will be much easier to drive. I also drove the Henderson Ford Road interchange, that roundabout is weird... Everything is extremely tight and they use panel signs in the roundabout for some reason. ML SB needs a couple of signs, some of the exit signs are on temp wood poles now. the side roads need a lot of work, they arent close to completely done.

I wouldn't think it would be appropriate for it to be signed north of Martinsville because:
- There is at least one remaining driveway (for a church)
- There is no interchange with a state highway north of SR 44
- Two overpasses are not close to completion
- Whatever is happening at Banta Rd hasn't even started yet

To me, there are too many hazards that will remain in place for the next year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 25, 2021, 08:12:33 AM
Quote from: mukade on December 24, 2021, 05:39:11 PM
I took a quick run down to Martinsville this morning to see the newest section of I-69. As discussed earlier in this thread, the mile markers are very inconsistent in this stretch from the north end of section 5 up to SR 144. This is a summary of what I saw.








Location
Type
Color
Interval
Placement
Section 5 (existing I-69)Intermediate (no shield or cardinal direction)Green.5 milesRight shoulder
Between north end of section 5 and SR 39Enhanced with no fractional number on full milesBlue.5 milesRight shoulder
Martinsville new section (SR 39 to Morgan St.)EnhancedGreen.5 milesMedian
North of Morgan St. to MM 151EnhancedBlue.5 milesRight shoulder
From MM 151 north to SR 144EnhancedBlue.2 milesRight shoulder

The Section 5 mile markers (from the SR 37 interchange north to SR 39) are even more inconsistent.

The mile markers for full miles look like this: https://goo.gl/maps/arMWjVtn7Qr1bBna6
The mile markers for half-miles look like this: https://goo.gl/maps/gPbxzPjzsnCSNNnr7

For the love of God I do not know why they have to be this. They should all just be the normal green mile markers for miles and half-miles the same as I-69 from Bloomington south to I-64

Martinsville north to probably Smith Valley Rd should have the enhanced blue mile markers at ever .2 mile. No different from I-69 from Fishers to Anderson today. North of Smith Valley Rd should just be the blue mile markers at ever .1 mile. And none of these enhanced mile markers that are green, we're not Michigan or Missouri.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on December 25, 2021, 11:35:19 AM
That now makes more sense. I thought those goofy sorta-enhanced markers were only at the very north end of section 5, but apparently they alternate every half mile north of Bloomington. The reason? We can speculate because section 5 was started as a PPP project, that company did not abide by INDOT standards, and they probably did not have any half mile markers. To complete the speculation: INDOT installed these half mile markers after they took control of the project.

It would be the same situation as with the ITR and the East End Partners (SR 265) projects. In both of those cases, we see some weird signage and the use of the Clearview font.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 26, 2021, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 02, 2021, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 02, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: mukade on December 02, 2021, 07:25:33 AM
From Southport Rd south looks to be OK unless the empty airport-owned land where the future runway will be built counts. Even for that, it looks like the 5 mile radius for the closest point is about a quarter mile south if Google Maps distance measurement is right.
future runway? where?
Look at Google Sat view. There is a strip of undeveloped land, about the size of a runway, on the south side of I-70 from the current airport southernmost runway

If/when developed, there will be at least one taxiway aircraft overpass built over I-70

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Decatur+Township,+IN/@39.6999843,-86.2960295,13z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x886ca756bb94faa7:0x5e5731a06739c1af
Yes, that "undeveloped land" is the site reserved by the Indianapolis Airport Authority (the landowner) for a future 3rd SW-NE parallel runway at IND. When I-70 was rebuilt to accommodate the new midfield passenger terminal in the mid-2000s, the alignment of the Interstate was shifted slightly east to exactly parallel the existing runways and its elevation was lowered slightly in the area where a connecting taxiway will someday be built to bridge over the freeway and provide aircraft access to that proposed runway. Subsequent development surrounding the property southeast of I-70 has been limited to uses that are compatible with being adjacent to a major airport runway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 26, 2021, 05:41:39 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on December 20, 2021, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 20, 2021, 03:09:46 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51756403143_f6030123af_k.jpg)
Another look south from near the SR 44 overpass in Martinsville.

Is that a mistake? I thought IN 44 only went eastbound from this intersection.
Well, the State Road does run east from the intersection of the southbound I-69 ramps, so as this sign appears to be just east of that point, it's technically correct (the BEST kind of correct  :D). But I agree, it is at best a bit misleading!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 30, 2021, 12:08:49 AM
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1476267545321783298
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 12:31:38 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 30, 2021, 12:08:49 AM
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1476267545321783298

I wondered as to why I-69 northbound has 3 lanes while southbound had only 2 lanes, but I was thinking about the exit with IN 44 and what not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 30, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
Seems like INDOT is really fixated on building "dogbone" interchanges as of late. Not only on the I-69 extension, but they've also converted a number of interchanges on existing freeways to this type of configuration.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 30, 2021, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 30, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
Seems like INDOT is really fixated on building "dogbone" interchanges as of late. Not only on the I-69 extension, but they've also converted a number of interchanges on existing freeways to this type of configuration.
Lots of them in Carmel, from both US 31 and Keystone Pkwy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 30, 2021, 08:17:59 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 30, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
Seems like INDOT is really fixated on building "dogbone" interchanges as of late. Not only on the I-69 extension, but they've also converted a number of interchanges on existing freeways to this type of configuration.

It's on purpose, INDOT's priority is to consider these alternative interchanges 1st before trying a traditional one.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 08:28:40 AM
If I recall the Ohio Street interchange in Martinsville was supposed to be a roundabout style interchange but they changed it to a tight diamond, so I believe it can go the other way. I believe only Southport Road interchange and the half interchange at Epler are not going to be roundabouts. I think this is the right call. Had I-69 been designed a few years later I suspect some of the exits south of Crane would have featured roundabouts as well: SR 168, SR 64 (maybe,) SR 58 and SR 45.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on December 30, 2021, 11:51:04 AM
I'm guessing the dogbones in those diamond interchanges are intended to be a traffic calming measure. I see people blow through intersections at the ends of ramps in normal diamond interchanges without stopping all the time. They're either driving on the crossing surface street and not stopping. Or it's a motorist that got off at the wrong exit; he speeds straight through the end of the off-ramp and onto the facing on-ramp.

Various roundabout designs can disrupt such behavior from motorists if they're paying attention to the road. The Milwaukee Roundabout has so many crashes it has its own YouTube channel. It is starting to rival the 11 Foot 8 Bridge YouTube channel. The "11 Foot 8 Bridge" is the railroad bridge in Durham, NC famous for peeling off tops of box trucks whose drivers fail to notice the warning signs, flashing lights, etc. Norfolk-Southern raised the bridge 8 inches, but can-opener accidents are still happening. Anyway, so many crashes at that roundabout in Milwaukee that it's now gaining similar attention online. Some of the crashes are pretty spectacular (and funny).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 30, 2021, 01:00:49 PM
Did a roundtrip to Indianapolis yesterday from Evansville.  Was surprised at how much had been completed, but was slightly frustrated on the way back that for quite a long ways south bound though the road was paved there was just one lane available for travel (I know, the other lane is being used for work traffic).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on December 30, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 30, 2021, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 30, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
Seems like INDOT is really fixated on building "dogbone" interchanges as of late. Not only on the I-69 extension, but they've also converted a number of interchanges on existing freeways to this type of configuration.
Lots of them in Carmel, from both US 31 and Keystone Pkwy.

I believe the roundabouts in Carmel were primarily the work of the City of Carmel as opposed to INDOT (regardless of who owns/operates the road). I believe I remember reading that the original Keystone Pkwy rebuild was to be entirely diamond interchanges with signals at the ramp terminals, but Carmel pushed hard to make them the compact roundabouts we see today; evidently they were successful.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 30, 2021, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on December 30, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 30, 2021, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on December 30, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
Seems like INDOT is really fixated on building "dogbone" interchanges as of late. Not only on the I-69 extension, but they've also converted a number of interchanges on existing freeways to this type of configuration.
Lots of them in Carmel, from both US 31 and Keystone Pkwy.

I believe the roundabouts in Carmel were primarily the work of the City of Carmel as opposed to INDOT (regardless of who owns/operates the road). I believe I remember reading that the original Keystone Pkwy rebuild was to be entirely diamond interchanges with signals at the ramp terminals, but Carmel pushed hard to make them the compact roundabouts we see today; evidently they were successful.

That's what they wanted for 31. INDOT just wanted to add a lane in each direction on 431. Carmel hated the idea and offered to take the road for themselves, so INDOT just gave it to them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 30, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
I-69 is now signed up to SR 144 according to google maps  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 30, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
I-69 is now signed up to SR 144 according to google maps  :-D
Google Maps also says SR-37 is a full freeway between Martinsville and Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 30, 2021, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 30, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
I-69 is now signed up to SR 144 according to google maps  :-D
No ramps still though...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
How about any Interstate segment in the US? I believe it will be the unsigned I-26 segment near Asheville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: brad2971 on December 30, 2021, 05:17:18 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

If the next partial segment of I-69 isn't finished in the next 18 months or so, my guess would be the Clark County-owned segment of I-215, as the interchange with I-15 by LVMS will be finished this time in 2022. Or, depending on how the EA goes, I-11 between Henderson and the Centennial Bowl may be signed even sooner.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: oscar on December 30, 2021, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
How about any Interstate segment in the US? I believe it will be the unsigned I-26 segment near Asheville.

Probably elsewhere in NC, either the completion of I-840 in Greensboro, or I-885 in Durham. Both likely in 2022 (885) or 2022-23 (840).

Is there any progress at all in Asheville? Aside from the two projects above, there are others just in NC likely to move faster, such as I-295 in Fayetteville. Then there's I-69 projects in TX, and the possible extension of I-240 in OK, probably also moving faster than the upgrade in Asheville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 30, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
I-265 at the East End Crossing could be signed tomorrow, if/when INDOT and KYTC see fit to do so
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 30, 2021, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
How about any Interstate segment in the US? I believe it will be the unsigned I-26 segment near Asheville.

Probably elsewhere in NC, either the completion of I-840 in Greensboro, or I-885 in Durham. Both likely in 2022 (885) or 2022-23 (840).

Is there any progress at all in Asheville? Aside from the two projects above, there are others just in NC likely to move faster, such as I-295 in Fayetteville. Then there's I-69 projects in TX, and the possible extension of I-240 in OK, probably also moving faster than the upgrade in Asheville.
I-587 will be designated along the US-264 freeway between I-95 and NC-11 Bypass in 2022.

That stretch of freeway was fully upgraded to interstate standards last year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 05:54:12 PM
Assuming the Driscoll Bypass along US-77 in Texas is complete in 2022, I-69E may also be extended south towards Kingsville.

I-69E was recently extended north of Raymondville when a few interchanges were completed there this past year.

Also substantial work occurring between Rosenberg and Wharton south of Houston, the portion north of Kendleton virtually almost complete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on December 30, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 05:54:12 PM
Assuming the Driscoll Bypass along US-77 in Texas is complete in 2022, I-69E may also be extended south towards Kingsville.

I-69E was recently extended north of Raymondville when a few interchanges were completed there this past year.

Also substantial work occurring between Rosenberg and Wharton south of Houston, the portion north of Kendleton virtually almost complete.

After I-69 up to SR-144, I-69 around Union City, TN maybe completed in the next 18 months. I know the paving contract was 2-3 yrs. I personally saw paving laid north of town & the new interchange with US-51 is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on December 30, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Every Interstate and toll road with a traffic volume over 25,000+ vehicles per day needs a "climbing lane" for vehicles driving 74 mph and below.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on December 31, 2021, 01:17:45 AM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on December 30, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Every Interstate and toll road with a traffic volume over 25,000+ vehicles per day needs a "climbing lane" for vehicles driving 74 mph and below.
It's a much higher priority when you have some trucks down to 30-45 mph, and some trucks still coming at 55-65 mph. There's an even larger speed differential on climbing sections than straight sections, even higher volume routes.

And 25,000 is certainly a low ball figure. I'd say closer to 35,000 - 40,000 AADT or more, and with high truck percentages. Then a continuous 3rd lane is warranted.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 31, 2021, 03:40:50 AM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on December 30, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Every Interstate and toll road with a traffic volume over 25,000+ vehicles per day needs a "climbing lane" for vehicles driving 74 mph and below.
I'd go a step further and say every interstate with ADT counts over 10k should 3 lanes each way. It's incredible annoying having to constantly wait for two trucks passing each other with a 2-3 MPH difference.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on December 31, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
I can agree with 35k ADT, although that's still a few too many in my eyes still, I think 25k is a bit more reasonable to begin with.  I-75 from Tampa to Detroit, I-65 from Nashville to Chicago, and I-24 from Nashville to Chattanooga all have at least 35k if not 40k or 50k in all sections along said routes between said cities, except through Macon where I-475 (the Macon by-pass) by-passes the city.  If they don't, I will be shocked!

10k is too few ADT to do widening.  I mean no offense, and I admit it is freakishly annoying to get stuck behind a car driving 74 or below in a 70 zone, especially if the topography is incredibly smooth and the expressway is straight as an arrow, although you have any idea how expensive it is to widen an interstate to six lanes, especially in a mountainous area or over a bridge?  Unless they do so in the median, it may be a little cheaper then, although still bridges, they have to reconstruct entire bridges, which it's still a good idea to do for most anyway since many are crumbling since the EIHS was constructed in 1956.

This is my two cents worth, which I guess doesn't mean much:  No one should drive on the EIHS, Florida Turnpike, or New Jersey Turnpike AT ALL unless they intend to drive at least 5 below the speed limit (and I am including my younger brother in this, because he drives 5 - 10 below), and if they do, they should stick to the RIGHT lane unless taking a left-hand interchange.  No one should enter the left lane unless they are driving at least 5 OVER the speed limit unless, as I stated before, they are taking a left-hand interchange.  Motorists should allow faster motorists to pass them on the left.  And, this is just me, but I always use a turning signal.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on December 31, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
^ Isn't I-40 between Little Rock and Nashville very truck heavy too? It's part of the fastest routing from the Northeast to Texas, taking in traffic from both I-81 and I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on December 31, 2021, 10:26:20 AM
It is, very much so.  And i drive it frequently.  I would probably say 30k - 35k ADT, 40% of it trucks.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 08, 2022, 09:19:04 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I-69 Finish Line put up a video of the ribbon cutting back on December 22. It can be seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vMJbyjS6SU)

Some of the benefits and projections seem a little optimistic, but hey, it's a video with cool pictures.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on January 09, 2022, 03:33:47 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6924804,-86.204308,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX555hZj2V4-hO9cSJ5IGtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Streetview from last month shows clearing of where the I-69/I-465 interchange will be constructed. Don't expect much work on the mainline until the North Split project is complete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on January 09, 2022, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 30, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 05:54:12 PM
Assuming the Driscoll Bypass along US-77 in Texas is complete in 2022, I-69E may also be extended south towards Kingsville.

I-69E was recently extended north of Raymondville when a few interchanges were completed there this past year.

Also substantial work occurring between Rosenberg and Wharton south of Houston, the portion north of Kendleton virtually almost complete.

After I-69 up to SR-144, I-69 around Union City, TN maybe completed in the next 18 months. I know the paving contract was 2-3 yrs. I personally saw paving laid north of town & the new interchange with US-51 is coming along nicely.

Union City still isn't done? They started that about the same time INDOT started section 1 in Evansville. Must have one guy with some hand tools working on that.

Is it going to be signed I-69 when it does open? I assumed it will just be US 51 Bypass considering TNDOT is doing nothing for the remainder of 69 to Memphis anytime soon.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 09, 2022, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Captain Jack on January 09, 2022, 05:54:50 PM
Union City still isn't done? They started that about the same time INDOT started section 1 in Evansville. Must have one guy with some hand tools working on that.

Is it going to be signed I-69 when it does open? I assumed it will just be US 51 Bypass considering TNDOT is doing nothing for the remainder of 69 to Memphis anytime soon.

In Indiana, leaders in both parties for years would say they were for completing I-69, but somehow the funding would never materialize. Anyway, avoiding any political opinions pro or con, Mitch Daniels said something that is very true. Paraphrasing: if it is really a priority, leaders will make it happen. Otherwise it is evidence that it isn't really a priority at all.

And that definitely seems to apply to Tennessee.

That said, in Indiana, there was a lot of uncertainty that I-69 would become reality until construction contracts were actually awarded. You can read some of the articles and editorials from 2008 to 2012 that show concern that I-69 would never be built. Here are a couple from Indiana Economic Digest, a site that republishes articles from around the state:
- https://indianaeconomicdigest.net/MobileContent/Most-Recent/Porter/Article/EDITORIAL-An-I-69-roadblock-/31/217/45484 (https://indianaeconomicdigest.net/MobileContent/Most-Recent/Porter/Article/EDITORIAL-An-I-69-roadblock-/31/217/45484)
- https://indianaeconomicdigest.net/Content/Most-Recent/Infrastructure/Article/EDITORIAL-Interstate-69/31/67/58466?s=1 (https://indianaeconomicdigest.net/Content/Most-Recent/Infrastructure/Article/EDITORIAL-Interstate-69/31/67/58466?s=1)

There is a content search capability you can use to find relevant articles that discuss things most of us probably forgot about.

The Evansville Courier & Press was the ultimate source of the more interesting articles and editorials. I couldn't find it on the Indiana Economic Digest web site, but I remember reading the editorial right after Daniels announced that the Crane to Bloomington section of I-69 (section 4) would be open by 2014 or 2015. The editorial reflects how incredulous people in Evansville were that such a thing would even be possible after decades of inaction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jlam on January 11, 2022, 12:42:32 PM
It doesn't seem that Google Maps is signing I-69 up to IN 144 anymore, just to the Morgan St overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on January 11, 2022, 07:37:38 PM
It is now correct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 12, 2022, 12:20:24 AM
I didn't know that the NB 69 ramp to Ohio St tunneled through buildings!
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on January 12, 2022, 01:29:06 AM
Quote from: mukade on January 09, 2022, 07:06:43 PM
The Evansville Courier & Press was the ultimate source of the more interesting articles and editorials. I couldn't find it on the Indiana Economic Digest web site, but I remember reading the editorial right after Daniels announced that the Crane to Bloomington section of I-69 (section 4) would be open by 2014 or 2015. The editorial reflects how incredulous people in Evansville were that such a thing would even be possible after decades of inaction.

The Bloomington Herald Times and the Terre Haute Tribune Star also carried a lot of stories about the highway; from Bloomington about opposition to it, and in Terre Haute, the attempts to route it on I-70 and US 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 13, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 12, 2022, 12:20:24 AM
I didn't know that the NB 69 ramp to Ohio St tunneled through buildings!
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Those buildings definitely looked ready for the dumpster in 2019.
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 13, 2022, 09:10:38 PM
Found it interesting this morning to read the news about a fatal accident on I-69 in Morgan County, specifically near Banta Road (the Morgan County one, not the Marion County one.) I don't know if it's because Google Maps had it as I-69 at one point or if everyone now just thinks I-69 goes to 144 now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 13, 2022, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 13, 2022, 09:10:38 PM
Found it interesting this morning to read the news about a fatal accident on I-69 in Morgan County, specifically near Banta Road (the Morgan County one, not the Marion County one.) I don't know if it's because Google Maps had it as I-69 at one point or if everyone now just thinks I-69 goes to 144 now.

Is that nearby the IN 39 exit?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on January 14, 2022, 12:42:57 AM
When can we expect street view of the new I-69 in Martinsville?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 14, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 13, 2022, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 13, 2022, 09:10:38 PM
Found it interesting this morning to read the news about a fatal accident on I-69 in Morgan County, specifically near Banta Road (the Morgan County one, not the Marion County one.) I don't know if it's because Google Maps had it as I-69 at one point or if everyone now just thinks I-69 goes to 144 now.

Is that nearby the IN 39 exit?

Well the accident was north of Martinsville, almost near SR 144, on a part of highway that is not technically part of the interstate yet.

As for the street view of I-69 through Martinsville, that will probably later this year if not later than that, I don't know how often they come through Indiana and all, but it will probably be some time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Phone_Harold on January 15, 2022, 09:46:34 PM
I drove it today from Henderson Ford Road to SR 39 southbound.  It looked like both lanes going northbound was open, but just one lane for southbound until passing the original Morgan Street turnoff.

Now, had they only done this back in 1971 so I could have enjoyed it when I lived in Morgan County! :pan:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on January 31, 2022, 10:52:56 PM
The I-69 Finish Line page photo page is updated with the latest pics showing the opened I-69 through Martinsville.
https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/SR-252-roundabout.jpg
https://i69finishline.com/photos-videos/morgan-county/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 01:20:09 AM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on January 31, 2022, 10:52:56 PM
The I-69 Finish Line page photo page is updated with the latest pics showing the opened I-69 through Martinsville.
https://i69finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/SR-252-roundabout.jpg
https://i69finishline.com/photos-videos/morgan-county/

A month later, it's about time they would upload the photos.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 14, 2022, 01:47:53 PM
I spoke with a designer that has knowledge about this job in Martinsville about why the mile marker signs are green and not blue. They told me that they expect them to change them to blue.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on February 14, 2022, 03:51:16 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 14, 2022, 01:47:53 PM
I spoke with a designer that has knowledge about this job in Martinsville about why the mile marker signs are green and not blue. They told me that they expect them to change them to blue.
Seems like my guess about the different colors being a contractor error is correct then... Would've been weird and inconsistent (even compared to nearby stretches) otherwise.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: royo6022 on February 16, 2022, 08:18:16 PM
This thread has been kind of quiet recently...has anyone been up to the site anytime recently or heard of any major updates?
I have been following the INDOT emails however I seem to find the pictures and info on this thread much more fun and informational.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 16, 2022, 09:00:18 PM
Well, if anyone's interested. The new Indiana 2022 Highway Map (yes we still have one, just not a paper map) now shows the Martinsville part of I-69 completed, plus the Henderson Ford Road exit is also mentioned. Everything north of Martinsville is now categorized as under construction.

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/2022_Roadway_Map-NEW-SIZEextended-e-versionFINAL.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on February 16, 2022, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 16, 2022, 09:00:18 PM
Well, if anyone's interested. The new Indiana 2022 Highway Map (yes we still have one, just not a paper map) now shows the Martinsville part of I-69 completed, plus the Henderson Ford Road exit is also mentioned. Everything north of Martinsville is now categorized as under construction.

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/2022_Roadway_Map-NEW-SIZEextended-e-versionFINAL.pdf
Shows the proposed ORX for I-69 also between Evansville and Henderson

And then, separate from I-69, this map still shows IN 265 for the Indiana side of the East End Crossing in Louisville. Its been a few years since AASHTO gave both Indiana and Kentucky approval for the I-265 shields on that segment, but I guess INDOT isn't in a big hurry to sign it. I really do wonder what the hold-up there is?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 17, 2022, 01:14:48 AM
Quote from: royo6022 on February 16, 2022, 08:18:16 PM
This thread has been kind of quiet recently...has anyone been up to the site anytime recently or heard of any major updates?
I have been following the INDOT emails however I seem to find the pictures and info on this thread much more fun and informational.

Construction continued on Section 6 over the winter months, albeit at a slower pace. Crews, when they were able, did bridge work, sign foundations, culvert placement, and so on. After the ground has frozen, earth work becomes more difficult, although I imagine some work was undertaken and completed. In Indiana, paving with either asphalt or concrete is generally not attempted during January or February when temperatures steadily drop below freezing and often into the single digits. Besides, the batch plants typically close up for the winter as well. The construction pace will begin to pick up in March, now less than two weeks away, and will be in full swing by April.

To tide everyone over, here's a few photos from the I-69 Finish Line website (https://i69finishline.com/). Please note these photos can be downloaded and posted with appropriate credit. Thank you INDOT! The photos were taken January 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The Henderson Ford Road interchange in Morgan County; looking northwest.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The view in the other direction; looking southwest.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Mainline and frontage road bridges over Stotts Creek in Morgan County; looking slightly southwest. In the deep background is the Henderson Ford Road overpass and interchange. On the left is the extension of Harmony Road, while on the right is the White River.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Another perspective; looking west.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The State Road 37/State Road 144 intersection, which will be transformed into a full interchange this year; looking north.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Another view of the intersection; looking northeast.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Installing caps on the MSE (Mechanized Stabilized Earth) wall of the north abutment of the future SR 144 overpass; looking north. Photo was taken in January 14, 2022.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The intersection of SR 37 and Banta Road, about 1/2 mile south of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection; looking southeast. To facilitate access to SR 37 while the SR 144 interchange is built, temporary traffic signals were installed at this intersection. When the interchange completes, the Banta crossing will be closed and sealed off.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The State Road 37/Smith Valley Road intersection; looking south. A full interchange will be constructed here in 2023.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The median bent and abutments of the future Southport Road overpass in Marion County; looking east. A full interchange will be constructed here.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 17, 2022, 03:31:20 AM
A few more. Even though many of you have already viewed these pictures, there are undoubtedly others who have not. Photos were taken January 2022, unless otherwise noted. Again, thank you INDOT!

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
I-69/State Road 252 interchange in Martinsville; looking north.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Different perspective; looking northwest.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The eastern roundabout of the I-69/State Road 39 interchange in Martinsville; looking southwest.

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The partially constructed western roundabout at the SR 39 interchange, to be completed this year; looking southwest.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The intersection of the new frontage road, Southview Drive, and Burton Lane (jutting right across the frame) in Martinsville; looking northeast. The older section of Southview Drive (background) will be reconstructed this year. Burton Lane formerly intersected State Road 37 at this location.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The Teeters Road overpass just north of Martinsville; looking southeast.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Another perspective; looking southwest.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Looking south toward the Teeters Road overpass (deep background). In the foreground are the piles and center bent columns for the future Myra Road overpass. On the right is the extension of Martinsville's Morgan Street.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Looking north toward the mainline bridges over Clear Creek north of Martinsville. The Egbert Road overpass is in the background.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Shifting back to Johnson County north of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection, two recently completed frontage roads near the former SR 37/Stones Crossing Road intersection; looking south.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Another view; looking south.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
The State Road 37/Fairview Road intersection in Johnson County, and a new local access, or frontage, road (left); looking north.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
New mainline bridge that will carry northbound I-69 over Honey Creek just north of the future Smith Valley Road interchange in Johnson County.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
In Marion County, the deck pour for the reconstructed Keystone Avenue bridge over I-465; looking northeast.

Lots of activity is underway at the County Line Road work zone in Marion County where a new interchange will be constructed. However, the only pictures I came across on the I-69 Finish Line webpage were from the the Fall. And since they had been previously posted here it seems redundant to post them again.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on February 17, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Having drove I-69, between Evansville and Indy, earlier today (in a driving rainstorm), why are there no control city mileage signs along I-69 NB, till one reaches Bloomington (and Ind 37)?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on February 18, 2022, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on February 17, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Having drove I-69, between Evansville and Indy, earlier today (in a driving rainstorm), why are there no control city mileage signs along I-69 NB, till one reaches Bloomington (and Ind 37)?
I believe it's because INDOT did not want to sign "Indianapolis" because I-69 technically never makes it all the way there... yet.

The SR-37 concurrency lists it because SR-37 does go to Indianapolis.

In the future, I believe they intend on adding it as a control city, once construction on I-69 is complete to I-465.

I technically don't see a reason not just to sign it, but I think that's the logic. I-69 is the way to go to Indianapolis, and in a few years will go all the way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on February 18, 2022, 12:29:22 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 18, 2022, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on February 17, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Having drove I-69, between Evansville and Indy, earlier today (in a driving rainstorm), why are there no control city mileage signs along I-69 NB, till one reaches Bloomington (and Ind 37)?
I believe it's because INDOT did not want to sign "Indianapolis" because I-69 technically never makes it all the way there... yet.

The SR-37 concurrency lists it because SR-37 does go to Indianapolis.

In the future, I believe they intend on adding it as a control city, once construction on I-69 is complete to I-465.

I technically don't see a reason not just to sign it, but I think that's the logic. I-69 is the way to go to Indianapolis, and in a few years will go all the way.

Not only that, but the signs along the side of the road that say 'Destination 1' - xx miles, 'Destination 2' - xx miles. There were none of those along I-69. I just felt I was "out there" with no clue* as to where any destinations (Bloomington and/or Indy).
* - between no laptop GPS (dead battery) and stormy weather requiring my total attention while driving.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on February 18, 2022, 07:59:55 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on February 18, 2022, 12:29:22 AM
Not only that, but the signs along the side of the road that say 'Destination 1' - xx miles, 'Destination 2' - xx miles. There were none of those along I-69. I just felt I was "out there" with no clue* as to where any destinations (Bloomington and/or Indy).
* - between no laptop GPS (dead battery) and stormy weather requiring my total attention while driving.
Even SB between Bloomington and Evansville there aren't destination/distance signs...But at least SB the Mile Markers clue you in to distance to the Ohio River, so only a few miles less is Evansville

Hopefully INDOT will go back and put Indianapolis and/or Bloomington as the NB Control on the "empty"  BGSs along I-69, and also update the destination signs around Evansville and add Bloomington and Indy to them, and install them along the new construction stretch of I-69 between old I-164 and SR 37
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 18, 2022, 09:24:06 AM
My thinking is that the stretch of I-69 from I-64 up to Bloomington, the first four sections, were built as cheaply as possible and that meant they had to cut corners when it came to distance signs figuring they'd get around to it later on. Also when those sections were built it wasn't yet known exactly how long the highway would be going to Indianapolis. While the SR 37 route was sort of confirmed at that point there was still a possibility that it could be changed. It was only maybe three or four years ago when Section 6 was finally confirmed, there was still a possibility that it could have been routed a little different between Martinsville and Indianapolis.

I remember looking at one of the original sign plans for Section 1 and saw they did not have any distance signs. There was a picture of a BGS at the SR 68 exit for I-69 north. The word Indianapolis was written on the sign in a ghost-like setting, indicating that it was going to be added later on. In short the signs were designed for Indianapolis to be added when the time came.

I mentioned it, or someone else did, a few months ago that there are plans for signage updates along I-69 from Evansville north Martinsville, Mile markers 0 to 134 I think. Those plans were for either 2023 or 2024. So something's going to be happening and hopefully it will involve adding the mileage signs and adding the northbound control city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on February 18, 2022, 09:24:06 AM
My thinking is that the stretch of I-69 from I-64 up to Bloomington, the first four sections, were built as cheaply as possible and that meant they had to cut corners when it came to distance signs figuring they'd get around to it later on. Also when those sections were built it wasn't yet known exactly how long the highway would be going to Indianapolis. While the SR 37 route was sort of confirmed at that point there was still a possibility that it could be changed. It was only maybe three or four years ago when Section 6 was finally confirmed, there was still a possibility that it could have been routed a little different between Martinsville and Indianapolis.

I remember looking at one of the original sign plans for Section 1 and saw they did not have any distance signs. There was a picture of a BGS at the SR 68 exit for I-69 north. The word Indianapolis was written on the sign in a ghost-like setting, indicating that it was going to be added later on. In short the signs were designed for Indianapolis to be added when the time came.

I mentioned it, or someone else did, a few months ago that there are plans for signage updates along I-69 from Evansville north Martinsville, Mile markers 0 to 134 I think. Those plans were for either 2023 or 2024. So something's going to be happening and hopefully it will involve adding the mileage signs and adding the northbound control city.
There was a rest area and a couple of interchanges in the original plans for I-69 Sections 1-3 that INDOT decided to "put off until later" to reduce the cost of building those sections. They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on February 18, 2022, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?
I-69 was a new location highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on February 19, 2022, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 18, 2022, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?
I-69 was a new location highway.

Not entirely. Bloomington as an example.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on February 19, 2022, 02:11:53 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

I don't know that you'll find the quotes anywhere now, but I remember the Evansville TV stations mentioning the thinner pavement as a way to speed up the construction process.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on February 19, 2022, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 19, 2022, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 18, 2022, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?
I-69 was a new location highway.

Not entirely. Bloomington as an example.
I believe the discussion of reducing the median from 84 to 60 ft was in regards to the new location segment, not the upgrade.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

Edit- Updated link: www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 21, 2022, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi1v-iGrJH2AhV7l3IEHdEHAkcQFnoECAIQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltindiana.org%2Fdocs%2FStaged%2520HMA%2520for%2520I-69.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2Lq1oA-BTo0ssddOm25fna

There's no need to give Google your data here, just use:

www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 03:11:19 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 21, 2022, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi1v-iGrJH2AhV7l3IEHdEHAkcQFnoECAIQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltindiana.org%2Fdocs%2FStaged%2520HMA%2520for%2520I-69.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2Lq1oA-BTo0ssddOm25fna

There's no need to give Google your data here, just use:

www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf

Thanks. I'm not too computer savy lol.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on February 21, 2022, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 03:11:19 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 21, 2022, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi1v-iGrJH2AhV7l3IEHdEHAkcQFnoECAIQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltindiana.org%2Fdocs%2FStaged%2520HMA%2520for%2520I-69.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2Lq1oA-BTo0ssddOm25fna

There's no need to give Google your data here, just use:

www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf

Thanks. I'm not too computer savy lol.

Thank you for this document link. Very educational.

So I assume each of the recommendations were accepted?

This paper describes cost saving strategies for design of an asphalt pavement.
These strategies have been selected to optimize the pavement design to the conditions of
I-69 without reducing the expected pavement performance.
     - Staged construction $700,000 per mile
     - Subgrade treatment $500,000 per mile
     - Inside shoulder cross section $109,000 per mile
     - Thinner inside driving lane $125,000 per mile
The total available cost savings is not just the sum of the above suggestions, but a total
cost saving of $1,000,000 should be achievable.
Since the total expected pavement cost for an asphalt pavement is $1,900,000 per mile
this represents more than a 50% saving in pavement cost.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 23, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

Edit- Updated link: www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf

I have doubts any of the proposed cost saving measures were implemented, other than the median reduction. To their credit, the plan for the savings was creative and inventive and may have worked. But the "staged construction" idea was complex, basically proposing to build an interstate half way and then 15 years later to return and bring it up full standards. Moreover, tinkering with the subgrade would have been risky and, perhaps, very expensive to redo. The suggestion to construct the left passing lane with less asphalt seemed more reasonable, but it's doubtful the FHWA would have gone along and allowed the road to be signed an interstate.

The proposed cost saving plan appeared to cover the entire route, from Evansville to Indianapolis. Most of the savings proposed involved ways to use less asphalt. However, when construction actually moved forward large segments of Sections 1, 2 and 3 were paved with concrete, indicating the proposed asphalt savings had been set aside. Sections 4, 5, and 6, were not, and are not being built, to lower standards in any way.

Edit: Fixed typo
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 23, 2022, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 23, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

Edit- Updated link: www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf

I have doubts any of the proposed cost saving measures were implemented, other than the median reduction. To their credit, the plan for the savings was creative and inventive and may have worked. But the "staged construction" idea was complex, basically proposing to build an interstate half way and then 15 years later to return and bring it up full standards. Moreover, tinkering with the subgrade would have been risky and, perhaps, very expensive to redo. The suggestion to construct the left passing lane with less asphalt seemed more reasonable, but it's doubtful the FHWA would have gone along and allowed the road to be signed an interstate.

The proposed cost saving plan appeared to cover the entire route, from Evansville to Indianapolis. Most of the savings proposed involved ways to use less asphalt. However, when construction actually moved forward large segments of Sections 1, 2 and 3 were paved with concrete, indicating the proposed asphalt savings had been set aside. Sections 4, 5, and 6, were not, and are not being built, to lower standards in any way.

Edit: Fixed typo

man if they didnt build this to interstate standards, they'd never finish it! i bet the 0 rest stops has something to do with cost savings.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on February 23, 2022, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 23, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on February 21, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 18, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 18, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
They also reduced the pavement thickness in certain areas and narrowed the median width from 84 feet to 60 feet for the same reason.

Narrowing the median reduces ROW costs, especially when upgrading a former urban arterial, but where did you pick up the pavement thickness variations and the reason?

Edit- Updated link: www.asphaltindiana.org/docs/Staged%20HMA%20for%20I-69.pdf

I have doubts any of the proposed cost saving measures were implemented, other than the median reduction. To their credit, the plan for the savings was creative and inventive and may have worked. But the "staged construction" idea was complex, basically proposing to build an interstate half way and then 15 years later to return and bring it up full standards. Moreover, tinkering with the subgrade would have been risky and, perhaps, very expensive to redo. The suggestion to construct the left passing lane with less asphalt seemed more reasonable, but it's doubtful the FHWA would have gone along and allowed the road to be signed an interstate.

The proposed cost saving plan appeared to cover the entire route, from Evansville to Indianapolis. Most of the savings proposed involved ways to use less asphalt. However, when construction actually moved forward large segments of Sections 1, 2 and 3 were paved with concrete, indicating the proposed asphalt savings had been set aside. Sections 4, 5, and 6, were not, and are not being built, to lower standards in any way.

Edit: Fixed typo

This line in the report is the basis of my problem:

These strategies have been selected to optimize the pavement design to the conditions of I-69 without reducing the expected pavement performance.

If this was "permissible" and provided the same benefit as a fully built highway, then ALL roads would be bid (and built) like this, which they are not!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 01, 2022, 04:46:57 PM

On the I-69 Finish Line website (https://i69finishline.com/), I came across a set of maps that depict the surface treatments of Section 6 from Martinsville to I-465:

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
As expected, almost all of I-465 will be concrete, except for a small segment west of Mann Road. From the Epler Ave interchange through the Country Road interchange to Fairview Road, asphalt will be utilized.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
Concrete is the material of choice from Fairview Road to the Morgan/Johnson County line.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
From the Morgan/Johnson County line to just north of the city of Martinsville, asphalt was used.

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Courtesy I-69 Finish Line
In Martinsville, the material of choice was concrete, with a small asphalt segment near the State Road 252 interchange.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on March 01, 2022, 08:53:10 PM
Curious choice around Martinsville. Is the roadway near the IN 252 interchange being completed on a different contract?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: andy on March 01, 2022, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: seicer on March 01, 2022, 08:53:10 PM
Curious choice around Martinsville. Is the roadway near the IN 252 interchange being completed on a different contract?

That area has a lot of fill, including foam blocks. It can be expected to settle for a while, hence the more flexible asphalt.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on March 02, 2022, 01:14:40 AM
Really? Black and dark blue lines on those maps? I can barely tell the difference. I can't imagine trying to tell the difference if I had vision issues.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Georgia on March 02, 2022, 07:25:31 AM
I mean, the contrast is fairly great but I suppose if you looking for nits to pick...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 02, 2022, 08:25:20 AM
INDOT has a rule where if a projects pavement area exceeds  :hmmm: I believe the exact number is 15K Square Yards, it has to be bid as concrete and asphalt. Site conditions may require asphalt regardless, like at the 252 interchange area. I personally like concrete more  :-D fun to drive on!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 03, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Here's a batch of recent pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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The pilings and center bent of the future Myra Lane overpass in Morgan County; looking south. In the deep background is the Teeters Road overpass, also under construction. Until the Myra Lane overpass completes — and that looks to be four to six months from now — the temporary driveway for First United Methodist Church off the northbound lanes of State Road 37 will remain in use. Only after the Myra overpass completes and the driveway sealed off will State Road 37 be signed I-69, first up to Henderson Ford Road, and later to the State Road 144 interchange, when that completes in the fall of 2022.

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Closer look, more clearly showing the Teeters Road overpass. On the right is a new frontage road, an extension of Morgan Street.

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The eastern abutment and center bent rebar cages of the future overpass that will carry State Road 144 over I-69 in Johnson County; looking east. In the foreground, the pile driving rigging, which will be used to drive the piles for the western abutment.

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Closer look. To stabilize the embankment, sheet piles have been driven to form a retaining wall (foreground), as construction commences on the overpass's western abutment.

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The SR 37/SR 144 intersection; looking southeast.

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Recently completed frontage, or local access, road, an extension of Old State Road 37 just north of the SR 37/SR 144 intersection in Johnson County; looking north from near the former SR 37/Stones Crossing Road intersection. In this vicinity, the northbound lanes of SR 37 are closed off and all traffic is using southbound roadway pavement.

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The former State Road 37/Stones Crossing Road crossing, now sealed off; looking east.

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The SR 37/County Line Road intersection at the border between Johnson and Marion counties; looking southeast. This area is now moderate-dense suburban and the amount of traffic reflects that.

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The bridge that will carry southbound I-69 over County Line Road in Marion County; looking east.

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The western roundabout at the future County Line Road interchange; looking southeast. The bridge pictured above is to the left, out of the frame.

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The bridges that will carry southbound I-69 over Pleasant Run Creek (foreground) and Wicker Road (background) in Marion County; looking north from near the bridge over County Line Road.

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Closer look. On the Wicker Road bridge, a deck finisher is positioned, meaning the deck pour is soon to occur when weather permits.

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Another perspective; looking north. On the left is the future southbound exit ramp to County Line Road.

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The bridge that will carry southbound I-69 over Wicker Road in Marion County; looking east.

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Looking north over the top of a water truck from near the bridge over Wicker Road. In the background, the smokestacks of IPL's Harding Street Generating Station.

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The eastern roundabout at the future County Line Road interchange; looking east.

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State Road 37; looking northeast from near the future County Line Road interchange. In the vicinity, the entire roadway is being shifted about a hundred feet west from its current alignment. Here, when the southbound roadway completes, likely this year, all traffic, both northbound and southbound, will be moved to the new southbound pavement. This will allow construction to commence on the northbound roadway.

As expected, construction slowed significantly during the winter months of January and February. The ground froze as it normally does, but with the recent warmer temps is now unfrozen. That means mud. Though the pictures don't quite depict it, trust me, the ground was very soft. The number of times I had to kick and scrape mud off my boots. ITB does not like mud. Anyway, with the warmer weather on the doorstep, construction activity will rapidly ramp up. We're now less than three years away from the expected completion date of the entire project. Start those engines, it's going to be a busy 34 months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on March 07, 2022, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 03, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Here's a batch of recent pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

Just wanted to express my appreciation for all of the photos you're posting. Brand-new interstate mileage is a rare thing to see happen nowadays.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on March 08, 2022, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on March 07, 2022, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 03, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Here's a batch of recent pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

Just wanted to express my appreciation for all of the photos you're posting. Brand-new interstate mileage is a rare thing to see happen nowadays.

I agree. Thanks ITB. I believe I-69 in Indiana, the soon-to-be I-490 in my area of Chicago, CC-215(future I-215) in Vegas, I-2, I-49 and the Interstates in N.Car. That's all I can think of for now.

P.S. The sections of I-69 in Texas as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on March 08, 2022, 07:04:41 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on March 08, 2022, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on March 07, 2022, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 03, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Here's a batch of recent pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

Just wanted to express my appreciation for all of the photos you're posting. Brand-new interstate mileage is a rare thing to see happen nowadays.

I agree. Thanks ITB. I believe I-69 in Indiana, the soon-to-be I-490 in my area of Chicago, CC-215(future I-215) in Vegas, I-2, I-49 and the Interstates in N.Car. That's all I can think of for now.

P.S. The sections of I-69 in Texas as well.
I-11 will continue to grow in Arizona and Nevada. How soon, remains to be seen

I-69 is being slowly built out in Tennessee as well. Key emphasis: Slowly. Tennessee and Kentucky also have to work together to come up with a solution for Fulton KY/South Fulton TN for I-69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Sapphuby on March 08, 2022, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 08, 2022, 07:04:41 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on March 08, 2022, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on March 07, 2022, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 03, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Here's a batch of recent pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

Just wanted to express my appreciation for all of the photos you're posting. Brand-new interstate mileage is a rare thing to see happen nowadays.

I agree. Thanks ITB. I believe I-69 in Indiana, the soon-to-be I-490 in my area of Chicago, CC-215(future I-215) in Vegas, I-2, I-49 and the Interstates in N.Car. That's all I can think of for now.

P.S. The sections of I-69 in Texas as well.
I-11 will continue to grow in Arizona and Nevada. How soon, remains to be seen

I-69 is being slowly built out in Tennessee as well. Key emphasis: Slowly. Tennessee and Kentucky also have to work together to come up with a solution for Fulton KY/South Fulton TN for I-69

I can only see one spot of I-69 currently under construction and/or planned to be built very soon and that's the Union City-Troy bypass. Otherwise, there's just not much to expect out of I-69 until probably by 2035. I am however eyeing the I-69 progress in Indiana. Wonder how they're going to carve through the lower metro... I'm guessing it's just an upgrade of the current IN 37 to freeway grade and tearing apart the I-465 interchange, instead of completely new mileage, since I have no knowledge of it. Unless INDOT has something else in plan, which then please share that with me, I would very much appreciate it!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on March 08, 2022, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on March 08, 2022, 08:49:24 PM
Wonder how they're going to carve through the lower metro... I'm guessing it's just an upgrade of the current IN 37 to freeway grade and tearing apart the I-465 interchange, instead of completely new mileage, since I have no knowledge of it. Unless INDOT has something else in plan, which then please share that with me, I would very much appreciate it!

Scroll up a little and look at the pictures and maps in this thread. I-69 construction is well underway up to I-465 and set to open in 2024.

The new I-69/I-465 interchange will be about a mile west of the SR 37 (Harding St.) interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on March 09, 2022, 02:05:55 AM
Do you think in a half century they would add a third "downtown"  interstate on the left side of Indianapolis near Lucas Oil Stadium?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on March 09, 2022, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: Sapphuby on March 08, 2022, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 08, 2022, 07:04:41 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on March 08, 2022, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on March 07, 2022, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 03, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
Here's a batch of recent pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 27, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

Just wanted to express my appreciation for all of the photos you're posting. Brand-new interstate mileage is a rare thing to see happen nowadays.

I agree. Thanks ITB. I believe I-69 in Indiana, the soon-to-be I-490 in my area of Chicago, CC-215(future I-215) in Vegas, I-2, I-49 and the Interstates in N.Car. That's all I can think of for now.

P.S. The sections of I-69 in Texas as well.
I-11 will continue to grow in Arizona and Nevada. How soon, remains to be seen

I-69 is being slowly built out in Tennessee as well. Key emphasis: Slowly. Tennessee and Kentucky also have to work together to come up with a solution for Fulton KY/South Fulton TN for I-69

I can only see one spot of I-69 currently under construction and/or planned to be built very soon and that's the Union City-Troy bypass. Otherwise, there's just not much to expect out of I-69 until probably by 2035. I am however eyeing the I-69 progress in Indiana. Wonder how they're going to carve through the lower metro... I'm guessing it's just an upgrade of the current IN 37 to freeway grade and tearing apart the I-465 interchange, instead of completely new mileage, since I have no knowledge of it. Unless INDOT has something else in plan, which then please share that with me, I would very much appreciate it!
The next major piece of I-69 that will move to construction will be the bridge over the Ohio River. Kentucky just awarded a construction contract for the first phase of this project that will build the southern approach to the bridge from the current northern end of I-69 just outside of Henderson to US-60 east of town. KYTC and INDOT plan to award the contract for Phase 2 (the Ohio River Bridge and adjacent roadways) in 2027 with opening planned for 2031.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on March 09, 2022, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on March 09, 2022, 02:05:55 AM
Do you think in a half century they would add a third "downtown"  interstate on the left side of Indianapolis near Lucas Oil Stadium?

No way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mukade on March 09, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on March 09, 2022, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on March 09, 2022, 02:05:55 AM
Do you think in a half century they would add a third "downtown"  interstate on the left side of Indianapolis near Lucas Oil Stadium?

No way.

Certainly not from I-69 on the south side. The quarries there would make it impossible - plus there has been no demand for it.

As the highest growth in the area has been in Hamilton County, extending the US 31 freeway into downtown would serve the greatest need, but even that has never been discussed AFAIK.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on March 10, 2022, 01:04:08 AM
Quote from: mukade on March 09, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on March 09, 2022, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on March 09, 2022, 02:05:55 AM
Do you think in a half century they would add a third "downtown"  interstate on the left side of Indianapolis near Lucas Oil Stadium?

No way.

Certainly not from I-69 on the south side. The quarries there would make it impossible - plus there has been no demand for it.

As the highest growth in the area has been in Hamilton County, extending the US 31 freeway into downtown would serve the greatest need, but even that has never been discussed AFAIK.

I doubt it. You could ask the same question about I-74 on the west side. INDOT even owns the land to stub I-74 right into Crawfordsville Road but didn't. (why, I am not sure)

All the growth in the Indy MSA is north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Roadsguy on March 10, 2022, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 10, 2022, 01:04:08 AM
INDOT even owns the land to stub I-74 right into Crawfordsville Road but didn't. (why, I am not sure)

They actually did originally (https://historicaerials.com/location/39.804266674758914/-86.27161042877343/2010/16) until the interchange with I-465 was rebuilt about a decade ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on March 10, 2022, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on March 10, 2022, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 10, 2022, 01:04:08 AM
INDOT even owns the land to stub I-74 right into Crawfordsville Road but didn't. (why, I am not sure)

They actually did originally (https://historicaerials.com/location/39.804266674758914/-86.27161042877343/2010/16) until the interchange with I-465 was rebuilt about a decade ago.

That is what I thought as I have driven through there many times, but its been a decade of so.

I remember "escaping" from the pre-race parties of the Indy 500 to get to I-74 back in 1980.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 14, 2022, 05:48:07 PM
Went up to IND on Sunday for a pick up. And, of course, since I was up that way I detoured for a quick look-see and to take a few pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, March 13, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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In Marion County, looking north toward State Road 37 from the west abutment of the future Southport Road overpass. In the background, the smokestacks of Indianapolis Power and Light's Harding Street Generating Station.

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The view looking south from the west abutment of the Southport Road overpass.

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The middle bent and east abutment of the Southport Road overpass; looking southeast.

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Looking north from Epler Ave. toward the work zone where I-69 will pass between two quarries just south of the future I-69/I-465 system interchange. In the background (left) is a sliver of I-465, denoted where the semi heads westbound on the inner loop; also, on the far right, there's another sliver and a BGS.

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Another vantage point looking north from the west abutment of the Southport Road overpass.

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Long range view looking northeast toward the work zone where I-69 will pass between the quarries just north of Epler Avenue. In the deep background (center-left) are the towers of downtown Indianapolis.

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The State Road 37/Southport Road intersection in Marion County; looking southeast. A tight diamond interchange will be built at this location. To avoid the taking of additional residential property, the alignment of Southport Road at this location has been shifted slightly to the north.

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Another perspective of the middle bent and east abutment of the Southport Road overpass; looking northeast. Placement of the bridge beams is not too far off.

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Another view looking south from the west abutment of the Southport Road overpass.

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Looking north from Epler Avenue toward one of the work zone entrances where I-69 will pass between the quarries and where, just a bit further northwest (left, out of view), the ramps of the I-69/I-465 system interchange will be constructed.

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And another perspective looking north from the west abutment of the Southport Road overpass. The road on the left is Belmont Ave.

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Closer look of the construction of the Southport overpass; looking northeast.

According to the construction-start maps (updated November 2021) on the I-69 Finish Line webpage, construction of the I-69/I-465 system interchange is getting underway in 2022. That means we'll likely see the construction of piers for the flyover ramps in the not too distant future. Also, to begin in 2022 are the ramps and bridge for the Epler Ave./I-69 partial interchange. Previously, I-69 was planned to go over Epler Ave., but that was changed and now Epler Ave. will go over the mainline.

Minor edits for grammar and readability.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on March 19, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
Isn't Southport going to eventually be a major E-W arterial between the Decatur /Ameriplex/Reagan extension and I-65 in the east?

Southport Road technically goes all the way across to nearly I-74, but I haven't seen any plans that go that far.

The reason I ask is that the pylons/abutment for Southport look to be very wide and expecting a lot of traffic exiting and entering here at I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 19, 2022, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 19, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
Isn't Southport going to eventually be a major E-W arterial between the Decatur /Ameriplex/Reagan extension and I-65 in the east?

Southport Road technically goes all the way across to nearly I-74, but I haven't seen any plans that go that far.

The reason I ask is that the pylons/abutment for Southport look to be very wide and expecting a lot of traffic exiting and entering here at I-69.

There already is a lot of traffic at that intersection - heading eastbound before 37 it's almost always backed up to Troy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 19, 2022, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 19, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
Isn't Southport going to eventually be a major E-W arterial between the Decatur /Ameriplex/Reagan extension and I-65 in the east?

Southport Road technically goes all the way across to nearly I-74, but I haven't seen any plans that go that far.

The reason I ask is that the pylons/abutment for Southport look to be very wide and expecting a lot of traffic exiting and entering here at I-69.

Yes, and there's a thread on the project: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26794.0
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 19, 2022, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 19, 2022, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 19, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
Isn't Southport going to eventually be a major E-W arterial between the Decatur /Ameriplex/Reagan extension and I-65 in the east?

Southport Road technically goes all the way across to nearly I-74, but I haven't seen any plans that go that far.

The reason I ask is that the pylons/abutment for Southport look to be very wide and expecting a lot of traffic exiting and entering here at I-69.

There already is a lot of traffic at that intersection - heading eastbound before 37 it's almost always backed up to Troy.

Troy? Do you mean Tibbs? Troy Avenue is several miles north of Southport Rd. As for Southport being a major east-west arterial, it already is. It should be four lanes across from I-69 to I-65 but that will never happen. Southport Road within the city of Southport is too narrow for a widening treatment.

Now, as for major east-west corridors to be improved: Indianapolis is planning on widening County Line Road from I-69 to SR 135. The project information can be found here: https://southcountylineroad.com

And with County Line Road already four lanes from SR 135 to I-65 this will become the major road connecting the two interstates on the south side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on March 19, 2022, 10:15:24 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 19, 2022, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 19, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
Isn't Southport going to eventually be a major E-W arterial between the Decatur /Ameriplex/Reagan extension and I-65 in the east?

Southport Road technically goes all the way across to nearly I-74, but I haven't seen any plans that go that far.

The reason I ask is that the pylons/abutment for Southport look to be very wide and expecting a lot of traffic exiting and entering here at I-69.

Yes, and there's a thread on the project: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26794.0

Thank you, I had recalled this but couldn't find the thread.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on April 06, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
GMSV satellite imagery has updated to just south of County Line Road, showing the Smith Valley Road and SR 144 interchanges under construction. Any recent updates on those interchanges past the piles for the 144 overpass and the earthwork for Smith Valley?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on April 06, 2022, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: X99 on April 06, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
GMSV satellite imagery has updated to just south of County Line Road, showing the Smith Valley Road and SR 144 interchanges under construction. Any recent updates on those interchanges past the piles for the 144 overpass and the earthwork for Smith Valley?

This link: https://511in.org/camera/534/@-86.27086,39.59335,12?show=incidents,normalCameras,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/534/604449820
shows the InDOT traffic camera for the SR-37/SR-144 intersection in real-time. You can watch the progress of most of Section 6 from the various traffic cameras along future I-69 from Martinsville north to Indy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 07, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
hopefully Morgan and Johnson Counties work together to add a bridge to connect Smith Valley and Hadley (1250 N). This area will eventually develop and I see it turning into the mess that is between fishers and carmel. no bridges over white river between 116 and 146, one is being proposed at 126 to make more crossings.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 07, 2022, 04:26:29 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on April 06, 2022, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: X99 on April 06, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
GMSV satellite imagery has updated to just south of County Line Road, showing the Smith Valley Road and SR 144 interchanges under construction. Any recent updates on those interchanges past the piles for the 144 overpass and the earthwork for Smith Valley?

This link: https://511in.org/camera/534/@-86.27086,39.59335,12?show=incidents,normalCameras,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/534/604449820
shows the InDOT traffic camera for the SR-37/SR-144 intersection in real-time. You can watch the progress of most of Section 6 from the various traffic cameras along future I-69 from Martinsville north to Indy.

Excellent. Thanks for bringing the camera to our attention.

Quote from: silverback1065 on April 07, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
hopefully Morgan and Johnson Counties work together to add a bridge to connect Smith Valley and Hadley (1250 N). This area will eventually develop and I see it turning into the mess that is between fishers and carmel. no bridges over white river between 116 and 146, one is being proposed at 126 to make more crossings.

Yup. Extending Smith Valley Road across the White River to County Road 1250N seems logical. In the past 10-15 years, several large residential developments have been built just north of Mooreville proper. And more development is underway or is planned.

Also, with development in Johnson County moving south from Greenwood into Bargersville and Banta, the I-69/SR 144 interchange may be hard pressed to handle the additional traffic. Already, there's significant traffic in the area, and it will only increase as more homes are built. INDOT and its design consultants have no doubt factored in projected traffic counts into the design of the SR 144 interchange. Nevertheless, those counts were probably from a few years back before development began to ramp up in Bargersville. I'm not saying there was a miscalculation, just pointing out that development may be outpacing the road network in the area, I-69 included.

With more homes being built in northern Morgan County, too, it seems obvious another interchange will be needed before long between Henderson Ford Road and SR 144. The logical spot is the former SR 37/Big Bend Road crossing. An interchange at this location will shift a lot of traffic away from the I-69/SR 144 interchange. Traffic on Waverly Park Road (Old SR 37), which has seen a significant jump, and where the current 35 mph speed limit is blissfully ignored by almost everyone, will meaningfully decrease as well. The planning for a new interchange needs to get underway soon before further residential development creates a problem. Moreover, the routine speeding on Waverly Park Road and on other local roads, where residents are gunning to access I-69 at SR 144 as quickly as possible, is a recipe for tragedy.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 07, 2022, 04:32:13 PM
Center Grove either needs to incorporate into a city proper or Greenwood needs to annex them.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 09, 2022, 06:02:35 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 07, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
hopefully Morgan and Johnson Counties work together to add a bridge to connect Smith Valley and Hadley (1250 N). This area will eventually develop and I see it turning into the mess that is between fishers and carmel. no bridges over white river between 116 and 146, one is being proposed at 126 to make more crossings.
Hey, you should've seen what it was like before the 96th Street bridge was built over the White River in the mid-1990s.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on April 10, 2022, 10:41:26 AM
Johnson County, and Greenwood in particular, has an appalling lack of roads that are continuous east-west. County Line Road is continuous between IN-37 and Five Points Road on the east side of I-65. Smith Valley Road is continuous between IN-37 and Emerson Ave. just west of I-65. All the other east-west streets in Greenwood end somewhere without crossing the city, let alone the county. IN-44 and IN-252 are the only roads I can think of that totally cross the county east to west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 10, 2022, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on April 10, 2022, 10:41:26 AM
Johnson County, and Greenwood in particular, has an appalling lack of roads that are continuous east-west. County Line Road is continuous between IN-37 and Five Points Road on the east side of I-65. Smith Valley Road is continuous between IN-37 and Emerson Ave. just west of I-65. All the other east-west streets in Greenwood end somewhere without crossing the city, let alone the county. IN-44 and IN-252 are the only roads I can think of that totally cross the county east to west.

they probably know this and plan to do absolutely nothing about it.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on April 24, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
Looks like INDOT has posted northbound exit signs for SR 144. Couldn't get a photo unfortunately, but they look uncovered.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 24, 2022, 06:23:14 PM
I saw them a couple of weeks ago. It says Exit 153, SR 144 Mooresville and Bargersville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on April 24, 2022, 07:37:07 PM
The back of the sign can be seen on the IN-144/I-69 camera that faces southbound. Surprised that the sign is up so soon. The interchange is months away from opening. I cannot tell from the camera, but does the Henderson Ford Road interchange have signage northbound? Southbound is signed, but last time I was thru there (earlier in Feb.) it wasn't signed northbound.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 24, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on April 24, 2022, 07:37:07 PM
The back of the sign can be seen on the IN-144/I-69 camera that faces southbound. Surprised that the sign is up so soon. The interchange is months away from opening. I cannot tell from the camera, but does the Henderson Ford Road interchange have signage northbound? Southbound is signed, but last time I was thru there (earlier in Feb.) it wasn't signed northbound.

I think some of the northbound signage was there but not at the gore point itself. Also there is a northbound distance sign north of Henderson Ford Road now with distances to SR 144, I-465 and Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on April 25, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 24, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Also there is a northbound distance sign north of Henderson Ford Road now with distances to SR 144, I-465 and Indianapolis.

Anyone know what the mileage to Indianapolis is based on? Going downtown via 465 to 65?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 25, 2022, 08:58:13 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on April 25, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 24, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Also there is a northbound distance sign north of Henderson Ford Road now with distances to SR 144, I-465 and Indianapolis.

Anyone know what the mileage to Indianapolis is based on? Going downtown via 465 to 65?

Who knows? It could be calculated by using Harding St north to I-70 as well. Coming south to Indianapolis along I-69 the distance between I-465 and Indianapolis keeps changing, first it's ten miles between 465 and downtown, then it's 12 miles and then 11 miles. They're probably hoping you don't care exactly about the mileage.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on April 25, 2022, 10:53:23 PM
If you catch this post in time the INDOT camera for IN-144/SR-37/I-69 has the feed of the intersection. The feed shows the bridge beams being placed at the future interchange.

https://511in.org/camera/534/@-86.29898,39.56027,12?show=incidents,normalCameras,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/534/604449820
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on April 25, 2022, 11:51:36 PM
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Sapphuby on April 26, 2022, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on April 25, 2022, 11:51:36 PM
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Looks to me that this is moving along quite nicely. I guess I can keep myself updated on this project, like I did with the Bella Vista bypass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 26, 2022, 10:44:19 PM
This is moving really quick. I just checked and they have the other half almost in place.

I will be in Indy later this year, will definitely have to drive by and look at the progress.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on May 01, 2022, 05:40:07 PM
The INDOT camera near County Line Road shows paving on the future southbound lanes of I-69. Things in this location are moving along quite well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on May 07, 2022, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 15, 2021, 05:04:28 PM

Another set. Again, photos were taken Sunday, August 8, 2021, unless otherwise noted.

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Prior to paving with PCCP, dowel rod assemblies in place on the northbound lanes between the future I-69/State Road 39 interchange and Burton Lane in Martinsville; looking northeast. At this time, Burton Lane (background) remains open to crossing traffic, but permanent closure is expected either late this month or early next.

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Another view of Ohio Street in Martinsville and the bridge work for I-69; looking southeast.

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Looking north toward the State Road 44 overpass in Martinsville, which was recently opened to traffic

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The view looking south from near the future I-69/State Road 252-Hospital Drive interchange in Martinsville. In the mid-background right is the approach and northern abutment of the bridge that will carry I-69 over SR 252. Soil material is now in place covering the geofoam blocks. In the deep background is the Grand Valley Blvd. overpass. The northbound lanes of SR 37 (left), which had been serving a temporary connector between SR 252 and SR 44, have been rubblized.

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Equipment lined up near the State Road 252 construction zone; looking south.

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View looking north toward the State Road 44 overpass.

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Base of lighting fixture near the Burton Lane crossing in Martinsville; looking northeast.

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Another view of the dowel rod assembles on the northbound lanes north of the future State Road 39 interchange; looking northeast.
Reviewing these photos make it hard to believe that we were able to drive through Martinsville in March, just 7 months later, on a completed mainline. Now we can see why it was necessary to close down the road to complete the work on a timely basis. Very impressive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Sapphuby on May 09, 2022, 08:20:04 AM
The INDOT cameras at the SR 144 intersection shows the bridge progressing quite well. Cannot wait to see them begin work on demolition of the old road and construction of the off-ramps.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on May 09, 2022, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on May 09, 2022, 08:20:04 AM
The INDOT cameras at the SR 144 intersection shows the bridge progressing quite well. Cannot wait to see them begin work on demolition of the old road and construction of the off-ramps.
And fast too. Good to see them getting this project done very quickly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 09, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
Looks like another two years before construction is completed, and we can drive from Evansville to Indianapolis nonstop...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 09, 2022, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
Looks like another two years before construction is completed, and we can drive from Evansville to Indianapolis nonstop...

You mean Ft Wayne to Evansville.

The dream of the Central Canal (1835) will finally be fulfilled.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 10, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 09, 2022, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
Looks like another two years before construction is completed, and we can drive from Evansville to Indianapolis nonstop...

You mean Ft Wayne to Evansville.

The dream of the Central Canal (1835) will finally be fulfilled.

:-D only took a hundred plus years  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 10, 2022, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 09, 2022, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
Looks like another two years before construction is completed, and we can drive from Evansville to Indianapolis nonstop...

You mean Ft Wayne to Evansville.

The dream of the Central Canal (1835) will finally be fulfilled.
Actually, Michigan to Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on May 10, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Canada to Evansville
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 AM
it looks like the mile markers will be 18 miles off when 465 connects with 69 north on the northeast side. I know they did the 200's to make it easier but its just not correct mileage and it was way premature to change the numbers
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 10, 2022, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 AM
it looks like the mile markers will be 18 miles off when 465 connects with 69 north on the northeast side. I know they did the 200's to make it easier but its just not correct mileage and it was way premature to change the numbers
That is deliberate by INDOT.  It was much less confusing to just add 200 to each exit number and they are not going to be changed.   I-69's mile markers are just going to be off.

Since the difference is hidden in the I-465 concurrency there is no real world reason to fix the discrepancy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on May 10, 2022, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on May 10, 2022, 10:31:33 AM
it looks like the mile markers will be 18 miles off when 465 connects with 69 north on the northeast side. I know they did the 200's to make it easier but its just not correct mileage and it was way premature to change the numbers

I wouldn't call it premature in the slightest; once the first new leg of I-69 was built they wanted to avoid duplicate exit numbers. Since the final route between Indy and Evansville wasn't yet set in stone (though we had a good idea it'd use 37) using estimate mileage like they did was appropriate. It's been a long time since that renumbering and there haven't been problems with it nor has I-69 been fully completed. I can imagine a reality where INDOT renumbers it retroactively but it isn't necessary given the concurrency with 465 as GreenLanternCorps mentioned.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 10, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
I argue that them making the mileage correct wouldn't have made for any confusion at all. most people navigate by what the road's name is anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on May 10, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 10, 2022, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 09, 2022, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
Looks like another two years before construction is completed, and we can drive from Evansville to Indianapolis nonstop...

You mean Ft Wayne to Evansville.

The dream of the Central Canal (1835) will finally be fulfilled.
Actually, Michigan to Evansville.
Quote from: IndyAgent on May 10, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Canada to Evansville
Actually, all of you are right, because Evansville and Port Huron/Sarnia will all be connected by the same number. And I don't mind if the exit numbers north of Indianapolis are way off of the actual distance; INDOT made the right call by adding 200 to each of them, instead of trying to figure out what they really should be when they took I-465 into account.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 10, 2022, 03:18:43 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 10, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 10, 2022, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 09, 2022, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
Looks like another two years before construction is completed, and we can drive from Evansville to Indianapolis nonstop...

You mean Ft Wayne to Evansville.

The dream of the Central Canal (1835) will finally be fulfilled.
Actually, Michigan to Evansville.
Quote from: IndyAgent on May 10, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
Canada to Evansville
Actually, all of you are right, because Evansville and Port Huron/Sarnia will all be connected by the same number. And I don't mind if the exit numbers north of Indianapolis are way off of the actual distance; INDOT made the right call by adding 200 to each of them, instead of trying to figure out what they really should be when they took I-465 into account.
No one will know the difference, as I-465 exit numbers will stay the same after the I-69 designation is added to the south and east legs, and AFAIK, INDOT is not planning a second renumbering of exits on the original section of I-69 from I-465 to Michigan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on May 11, 2022, 10:22:23 AM
I know but most people use the road that live there not the exit number usually. i thought they should have left it alone and did the numbering right. You could put 82nd street as exit whatever it should be like 178 but put old exit 1 under it. It shows an incorrect distance and I had never seen that before with roads
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 16, 2022, 05:52:52 PM
A major traffic shift is scheduled for next week to put southbound SR 37 onto the new elevated and bridges at Wicker Road and County Line Road, which means that SB traffic will no longer have to stop for signals around that area. Wicker Road and Bluff Road traffic will be using the new access road behind Glenns Valley Church to enter and exit SR 37 southbound. New interstate-style ramps will connect with a large roundabout at County Line Road west of SR 37. County Line Road east of SR 37 will close for two months for interchange construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on May 16, 2022, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on May 11, 2022, 10:22:23 AM
I know but most people use the road that live there not the exit number usually. i thought they should have left it alone and did the numbering right. You could put 82nd street as exit whatever it should be like 178 but put old exit 1 under it. It shows an incorrect distance and I had never seen that before with roads

The numbering and mile markers on 69 north of Indy very much ARE right.  There's just a segment that starts at mm 200.00 and continues northward.  There are many roadways in the United States that have discontinuities in them.  This one has the advantage of happening as it leaves a beltway.  No one would be navigating from Evansville to Ft Wayne by the continuation of mile markers across the beltway -- and it would depend on whether they went around the East side of 465 counterclockwise, or went around the much less travelled WEST side of 465.
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At the moment, it's 7 more miles to go clockwise south future 69 to current north 69, but five minutes faster!!  So, there, it's only about ten miles "off".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on May 16, 2022, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: sturmde on May 16, 2022, 05:58:33 PM
At the moment, it's 7 more miles to go clockwise south future 69 to current north 69, but five minutes faster!!  So, there, it's only about ten miles "off".
Hopefully INDOT will put its Blue Variable Travel Time signs up near the Northern and Southern I-69/465 junctions, posting both Mileage and current Drive Time to the opposite junction, going the South/East side route (the presumed signed route) vs the North/West side route

Next Level Variable Signs: The signed route officially varying with current traffic conditions and travel times! Maybe a concept for the Fictional board
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on May 17, 2022, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: sturmde on May 16, 2022, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on May 11, 2022, 10:22:23 AM
I know but most people use the road that live there not the exit number usually. i thought they should have left it alone and did the numbering right. You could put 82nd street as exit whatever it should be like 178 but put old exit 1 under it. It shows an incorrect distance and I had never seen that before with roads

The numbering and mile markers on 69 north of Indy very much ARE right.  There's just a segment that starts at mm 200.00 and continues northward.  There are many roadways in the United States that have discontinuities in them.  This one has the advantage of happening as it leaves a beltway.  No one would be navigating from Evansville to Ft Wayne by the continuation of mile markers across the beltway -- and it would depend on whether they went around the East side of 465 counterclockwise, or went around the much less travelled WEST side of 465.
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At the moment, it's 7 more miles to go clockwise south future 69 to current north 69, but five minutes faster!!  So, there, it's only about ten miles "off".

Thank you
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 17, 2022, 11:32:52 AM
Re: I-69 exit numbering.

When the section of I-69 from Evansville to Bloomington first opened, it needed exit numbers. At the same time, I-69 also took over what was previously I-164. The problem is that, at that time, nobody knew when or where the new I-69 bridge over the Ohio River was going to be built, and the final routing through northern Johnson and southern Marion counties was still unsettled. The decision was made to just leave the I-164 exit numbers as they were, starting with Exit 0 at the US 41 interchange, and proceed upward from there. That necessitated a renumbering of the existing section of I-69 north from Indy to avoid duplicate mile markers and exit numbers.

Once the new bridge is built, I-69 gets a new zero mile marker and the rest of the mileage markers immediately become inaccurate. Knowing that, INDOT decided to just add 200 to the existing numbers rather than try to guess what the right numbers would eventually be.

In the meantime, I don't think anybody is going to encounter major problems because at the 300 mile marker it's actually 285 miles to Kentucky.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 17, 2022, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 17, 2022, 11:32:52 AM
Re: I-69 exit numbering.

When the section of I-69 from Evansville to Bloomington first opened, it needed exit numbers. At the same time, I-69 also took over what was previously I-164. The problem is that, at that time, nobody knew when or where the new I-69 bridge over the Ohio River was going to be built, and the final routing through northern Johnson and southern Marion counties was still unsettled. The decision was made to just leave the I-164 exit numbers as they were, starting with Exit 0 at the US 41 interchange, and proceed upward from there. That necessitated a renumbering of the existing section of I-69 north from Indy to avoid duplicate mile markers and exit numbers.

Once the new bridge is built, I-69 gets a new zero mile marker and the rest of the mileage markers immediately become inaccurate. Knowing that, INDOT decided to just add 200 to the existing numbers rather than try to guess what the right numbers would eventually be.

In the meantime, I don't think anybody is going to encounter major problems because at the 300 mile marker it's actually 285 miles to Kentucky.
If I was driving, I would just be glad I reached that point quicker than I had anticipated.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2022, 09:25:13 PM
I dislike the fact that they just added 200 to the pre-existing Interstate 69 segment, even if it was "allegedly logical" to do so in order to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MATraveler128 on May 17, 2022, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2022, 09:25:13 PM
I dislike the fact that they just added 200 to the pre-existing Interstate 69 segment, even if it was "allegedly logical" to do so in order to avoid confusion.

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the distance from the southern terminus of I-69 in Evansville to the original I-69 northeast of Indy and saw that it is 183 miles. So if INDOT at the time played fairly regarding the exit renumbering, they should have started at 183. Of course, that wouldn't take into account the distance to the future Ohio River crossing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: amroad17 on May 18, 2022, 03:01:03 AM
I believe INDOT did the smart and easy thing by adding 200 to the existing exits north of Indianapolis.  For example, why change EXIT 111 to EXIT 295?  Just easier to make it EXIT 311, retaining a semblance of the prior exit number.  Yes, they could have placed OLD EXIT XX signs along with the "new" exit numbers, however, INDOT saved some money by doing the add 200 procedure and letting the public know they were going to do this.  Besides, the only instances where an OLD EXIT XX sign should be erected is when a DOT changes from sequential exit numbers to mile-based exit numbers.

Look at I-17 in Arizona.  Is I-17 340 miles long, based on the exit number for I-40 in Flagstaff, AZ?  No, it is just shy of 146 miles long.  I-17's mile markers begin at 194 at I-10 in Phoenix.  When first commissioned, I-17 began at I-10 northwest of Phoenix as EXIT 200.  I-17 actually began as AZ 69, which itself had its southern terminus at US 60/US 89.  "Arizona had a milepost system in which a branching route that began at the "host" route would retain the existing milepost from that point.  In this case AZ 69 was considered a branch of US 89.  AZ 69 began at milepost 201.6, so AZ 69 counted up from 201.  I-17 inherited the milepost numbers from AZ 69 when I-17 was commissioned." (Wikipedia)

Would having the correct mileposts be wonderful?  Sure, it would.  It could be a psychological thing, especially on long trips.  However, it really does not matter if the mileposts are "off".  Most post interchange signs do not give the distance to the state line, mainly control points/cities are posted.  Besides, most all of us use some sort of internet mapping system to determine how far (and how much time) it is from Point A to Point B.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 18, 2022, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 18, 2022, 03:01:03 AM
Besides, the only instances where an OLD EXIT XX sign should be erected is when a DOT changes from sequential exit numbers to mile-based exit numbers.

What about routes being shortened or extended?  I-279 & I-376 here in Pittsburgh gained all new exit numbers back in 2009 due to I-376 being extended & also taking over part of I-279.
example (https://goo.gl/maps/EJMgjbZaHNRmqoF29)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 18, 2022, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 17, 2022, 11:32:52 AM
Re: I-69 exit numbering.

When the section of I-69 from Evansville to Bloomington first opened, it needed exit numbers. At the same time, I-69 also took over what was previously I-164. The problem is that, at that time, nobody knew when or where the new I-69 bridge over the Ohio River was going to be built, and the final routing through northern Johnson and southern Marion counties was still unsettled. The decision was made to just leave the I-164 exit numbers as they were, starting with Exit 0 at the US 41 interchange, and proceed upward from there. That necessitated a renumbering of the existing section of I-69 north from Indy to avoid duplicate mile markers and exit numbers.

Once the new bridge is built, I-69 gets a new zero mile marker and the rest of the mileage markers immediately become inaccurate. Knowing that, INDOT decided to just add 200 to the existing numbers rather than try to guess what the right numbers would eventually be.


Judging by the maps from the Ohio River Crossing bridge I don't think there should be any problem with the exit numbers. The new I-69 corridor will meet the current highway around mile marker 1, maybe 1 1/2. Heading south it appears to be about one mile south to the state line (or the Ohio River bridge itself) so the mile markers should be almost just right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 18, 2022, 11:15:11 AM
INDOT did put the old exit signs up. no money was saved.  :-D i remember seeing them.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: splashflash on May 25, 2022, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 16, 2022, 05:52:52 PM
A major traffic shift is scheduled for next week to put southbound SR 37 onto the new elevated and bridges at Wicker Road and County Line Road, which means that SB traffic will no longer have to stop for signals around that area. Wicker Road and Bluff Road traffic will be using the new access road behind Glenns Valley Church to enter and exit SR 37 southbound. New interstate-style ramps will connect with a large roundabout at County Line Road west of SR 37. County Line Road east of SR 37 will close for two months for interchange construction.

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http://www.wbiw.com/2022/05/25/the-new-portion-of-i-69-is-to-open-this-week-and-two-stoplights-are-to-be-removed/


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 11:31:24 AM
it's insane how fast this stretch of 69 is coming. they're really working fast!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 25, 2022, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 11:31:24 AM
it's insane how fast this stretch of 69 is coming. they're really working fast!
They said they're going to have the whole thing done, including the south leg of I-465 by the end of 2024. At the rate at which they're going they might be able to get it finished sooner if the weather allows them to.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 25, 2022, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 11:31:24 AM
it's insane how fast this stretch of 69 is coming. they're really working fast!
They said they're going to have the whole thing done, including the south leg of I-465 by the end of 2024. At the rate at which they're going they might be able to get it finished sooner if the weather allows them to.

Lightning fast!  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.

:hmmm: why is that? just not a priority for them?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SkyPesos on May 25, 2022, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.

:hmmm: why is that? just not a priority for them?
Probably because I-55/I-155 works as a "temporary" I-69 TN really well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: codyg1985 on May 25, 2022, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.

:hmmm: why is that? just not a priority for them?

It really isn't, and they don't have as much money to work with as Indiana and Texas have to finish its portion of I-69. Nashville is where a lot of the money is going right now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 25, 2022, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.

:hmmm: why is that? just not a priority for them?
Probably because I-55/I-155 works as a "temporary" I-69 TN really well.
It really doesn't.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 25, 2022, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.

:hmmm: why is that? just not a priority for them?

It really isn't, and they don't have as much money to work with as Indiana and Texas have to finish its portion of I-69. Nashville is where a lot of the money is going right now.
This is pretty accurate. I'd say about 60% of the large projects currently underway in TN are in the Nashville metro. If you go to TDOT's website, the Region 3 (Middle TN) page has almost double the amount of projects as the other regions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on May 25, 2022, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 18, 2022, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 18, 2022, 03:01:03 AM
Besides, the only instances where an OLD EXIT XX sign should be erected is when a DOT changes from sequential exit numbers to mile-based exit numbers.

What about routes being shortened or extended?  I-279 & I-376 here in Pittsburgh gained all new exit numbers back in 2009 due to I-376 being extended & also taking over part of I-279.
example (https://goo.gl/maps/EJMgjbZaHNRmqoF29)

At the risk of driving this thread off-topic, I-376 is its own unique animal and not the best example.  When the freeway's route designation was changed to I-376 (replacing a state route number; I forget which one), its posted cardinal orientation was also changed from north-south to east-west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on May 25, 2022, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 25, 2022, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 25, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Brooks on May 25, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Meanwhile Tennessee has as many miles of completed I-69 as it did 10 years ago.

:hmmm: why is that? just not a priority for them?

It really isn't, and they don't have as much money to work with as Indiana and Texas have to finish its portion of I-69. Nashville is where a lot of the money is going right now.
This is pretty accurate. I'd say about 60% of the large projects currently underway in TN are in the Nashville metro. If you go to TDOT's website, the Region 3 (Middle TN) page has almost double the amount of projects as the other regions.

The schedule for the Union City section of I-69 has it opening maybe next year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 25, 2022, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on May 25, 2022, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 18, 2022, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 18, 2022, 03:01:03 AM
Besides, the only instances where an OLD EXIT XX sign should be erected is when a DOT changes from sequential exit numbers to mile-based exit numbers.

What about routes being shortened or extended?  I-279 & I-376 here in Pittsburgh gained all new exit numbers back in 2009 due to I-376 being extended & also taking over part of I-279.
example (https://goo.gl/maps/EJMgjbZaHNRmqoF29)

At the risk of driving this thread off-topic, I-376 is its own unique animal and not the best example.  When the freeway's route designation was changed to I-376 (replacing a state route number; I forget which one), its posted cardinal orientation was also changed from north-south to east-west.

That may be the case, but when I-376 first took over the segment of I-279 (stage 1), while the cardinal directions changed, they still properly matched up on that segment (unlike with PA-60).  Still needed the 'old exit ##' stuff, but the direction was the same pretty much.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 29, 2022, 10:28:13 PM
Anyway you look at it, INDOT is knocking I-69 north of Bloomington out of the park with their speed to build.

Hopefully we won't see any compromises in quality come up because of it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 30, 2022, 12:49:16 AM
Except for the portion between Martinsville and SR 144, the lanes have been restricted to one lane in each direction all year so far just so they can finish with lane stripping and rumble strip installation. It seems they are really taking their time finishing that up. Hopefully they'll be finished next month and can open it up to four lane traffic again.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 30, 2022, 12:49:16 AM
Except for the portion between Martinsville and SR 144, the lanes have been restricted to one lane in each direction all year so far just so they can finish with lane stripping and rumble strip installation. It seems they are really taking their time finishing that up. Hopefully they'll be finished next month and can open it up to four lane traffic again.
The long pole in the tent to completing I-69 will be the I-69/I-465 interchange (not sure if work has started on that yet) and reconstructing/widening the south leg of I-465 (which may be underway by now). Those two pieces will need to be completed before INDOT will declare I-69 to be "fully finished" from Martinsville to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 30, 2022, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 30, 2022, 12:49:16 AM
Except for the portion between Martinsville and SR 144, the lanes have been restricted to one lane in each direction all year so far just so they can finish with lane stripping and rumble strip installation. It seems they are really taking their time finishing that up. Hopefully they'll be finished next month and can open it up to four lane traffic again.
The long pole in the tent to completing I-69 will be the I-69/I-465 interchange (not sure if work has started on that yet) and reconstructing/widening the south leg of I-465 (which may be underway by now). Those two pieces will need to be completed before INDOT will declare I-69 to be "fully finished" from Martinsville to Indianapolis.

I drove by that segment last November when I flew out of the Indy airport.  There was construction equipment present.  I'm guessing they are doing preliminary work on the interchange at this time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 30, 2022, 06:57:02 PM

On Sunday, I went for another look-see. In particular, I wanted to check out the construction at the I-69/I-465 work zone. I was hoping pile driving would have commenced there, but it was not to be. It appears work is continuing on utility relocation (storm sewers, etc.) and prepping the ground for the work to come. Pile driving could start sometime this summer, perhaps in July or August, or maybe later.

Let's go to the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, May 29, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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In Morgan County, looking south toward the Myra Lane overpass, where steel beams were recently installed. In the deep background is the Teeters Road overpass, which also remains under construction.

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The beams and cross supports of the Myra Lane overpass; looking west.

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Long range view looking south from near the Myra Lane overpass.

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Another perspective of the bridge that will carry Myra Lane; looking southwest. Until this overpass completes, the driveway off northbound SR 37 for First United Church and Ozark Fisheries will remain. And, until that sealed off, SR 37 won't, in all likelihood, be signed I-69 between Martinsville and State Road 144.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on May 30, 2022, 07:17:15 PM
^^  Nice photos, as always.  Thank you!

I am curious:  Where do you park and how much walking do you have to do, especially to get close-up photos from above such as #2 and #3?  Do you ever get chased out of construction areas?  With my luck, if I tried to get these photos there would be a cop there every time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on May 30, 2022, 07:17:47 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
The long pole in the tent to completing I-69 will be the I-69/I-465 interchange (not sure if work has started on that yet) and reconstructing/widening the south leg of I-465 (which may be underway by now). Those two pieces will need to be completed before INDOT will declare I-69 to be "fully finished" from Martinsville to Indianapolis.
https://511in.org/camera/534/@-86.22874,39.66836,12?show=incidents,normalCameras,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/38/177556 (https://511in.org/camera/534/@-86.22874,39.66836,12?show=incidents,normalCameras,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/38/177556) shows the portion of I-465 where the I-69 intersection will be located, although I doubt that camera location will survive the construction. Camera is located west of 37 and just outside the beltway. The culvert in the foreground is visible via Google Maps just west of "Wolfla Heating and Cooling"  (possibly no longer there) on (currently closed) Thompson Road, and the camera tower can also be seen.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 30, 2022, 07:45:04 PM

Some more. Again, photos were taken Sunday, May 29, 2022.

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Looking north from near mainline bridge over County Line toward the future southbound lanes of Interstate 69. According to the I-69 Finish Line project update (May 23, 2022), all SR 37 traffic was to begin shifting to this new pavement sometime after last Thursday, beginning with the southbound. But that didn't transpire, probably because of a recent spate of wet weather. The changeover will likely happen this week, or if not, then early next. In the background is the new southbound bridge over Pleasant Run Creek.

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The view in the other direction; looking south.

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The southbound shoulder of I-69 (left) and the southbound exit ramp to County Line Road, and the interchange's western traffic roundabout; looking slightly southwest.

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Western roundabout of the I-69/County Line Road interchange in Marion County; looking west.

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The southbound bridge over County Line Road, with its deeply tined deck. Not going to be a lot of slipping and sliding here during the winter months.

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SR 37/County Line Road intersection on the border between Johnson and Marion counties; looking southeast.

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The southbound exit ramp to County Line Road; looking south.

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The southbound mainline bridges over Pleasant Run Creek and Wicker Road (background, left), from just north of the future I-69/County Line Road interchange; looking north.

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Another perspective of the southbound exit ramp to County Line Road; looking southeast.

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Future eastern roundabout of the I-69/County Line Road interchange; looking east.

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Another look south from the bridge over County Line Road. As both the southbound and northbound lanes of SR 37 will be placed on this pavement, they'll be needing quite a number of barrier wall segments to separate traffic.

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Mid-range shot of the new pavement at the County Line Road interchange; looking north.

More pictures to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 30, 2022, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 30, 2022, 12:49:16 AM
Except for the portion between Martinsville and SR 144, the lanes have been restricted to one lane in each direction all year so far just so they can finish with lane stripping and rumble strip installation. It seems they are really taking their time finishing that up. Hopefully they'll be finished next month and can open it up to four lane traffic again.
The long pole in the tent to completing I-69 will be the I-69/I-465 interchange (not sure if work has started on that yet) and reconstructing/widening the south leg of I-465 (which may be underway by now). Those two pieces will need to be completed before INDOT will declare I-69 to be "fully finished" from Martinsville to Indianapolis.

no way theyre going to start mainline work on 465 until north split is done. traffic down there is a mess because of it being closed!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 30, 2022, 11:11:02 PM

Another set. Photos were taken Sunday, May 29, 2022.

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Work is now underway at the SR 37/Smith Valley Road intersection in Johnson County, where a full interchange with two roundabouts will be built. With piles driven, and construction of the MSE wall started, the western abutment of the overpass is quickly moving forward. Rebar cages for the columns and foundation of the median pier also have been placed; looking slightly northeast.

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Looking north from near the future Smith Valley Road overpass toward pile driving activity for the new bridge that will carry southbound I-69 over Honey Creek.

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Signage just west of the State Road 37/Smith Valley Road intersection on a section of Smith Valley Road leading to a new frontage road; looking west.

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Closer look at the early construction of the overpass that will carry Smith Valley Road over I-69; looking slightly northeast.

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New frontage road that juts off north from near the future Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange; looking north. This road will cross over Honey Creek, continue north to Fairland Road, and then, further on, intersect with the western roundabout of the I-69/County Line Road interchange.

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Another perspective of the initial construction of the Smith Valley Road overpass; looking east.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 30, 2022, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 30, 2022, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 30, 2022, 12:49:16 AM
Except for the portion between Martinsville and SR 144, the lanes have been restricted to one lane in each direction all year so far just so they can finish with lane stripping and rumble strip installation. It seems they are really taking their time finishing that up. Hopefully they'll be finished next month and can open it up to four lane traffic again.
The long pole in the tent to completing I-69 will be the I-69/I-465 interchange (not sure if work has started on that yet) and reconstructing/widening the south leg of I-465 (which may be underway by now). Those two pieces will need to be completed before INDOT will declare I-69 to be "fully finished" from Martinsville to Indianapolis.

no way theyre going to start mainline work on 465 until north split is done. traffic down there is a mess because of it being closed!

Construction on the I-465 mainline won't begin until 2023... they are currently doing some overhead bridge replacements in advance of the actual widening work that will take place over two construction seasons.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 31, 2022, 01:33:08 AM
And, finally, some photos of the construction zone where the I-69/I-465 system interchange will be built. The zone is quite extensive, stretching between I-465 in the north to Epler Ave. in the south. Although pile driving has yet to commence, crews continue the work to relocate utilities and to prep the ground for upcoming stages of construction. Right now the ground is soft, a little spongy-like. As it is treated, with lime perhaps, it will harden significantly.

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Looking northwest from Epler Ave. toward the location where the I-69 mainline likely will be situated just south of the future I-69/I-465 system interchange. The location is a few hundred feet west of S. Belmont Ave./Epler Ave. intersection. While not visible, I-465 is located about three hundred yards beyond the dirt piles in the background.

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Looking east toward Epler Avenue from near the location where I-69 will be constructed. Further on Epler intersects with SR 37, but that intersection is not visible because Epler curves northeast and then straightens prior to its juncture with SR 37. The location of the broad swath of the previous photo is indicated by the area of dirt in the frame's middle-left.

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The main entrance to the construction zone from Epler Ave.; looking north. This area is adjacent to the area of the first photo posted above. The driveway pictured can be seen on Google Maps using the satellite view function. In the background are the smokestacks of Indianapolis Power and Lights' Harding Street Generation Station.

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The view from the opposite direction from the middle of the construction zone; looking south. In the background near the treeline is Epler Ave. From a careful examination of maps, it appears the I-69 mainline will be pushed through where the dirt mounds are located (center-left). Likely, in the vicinity of the foreground, the ramp from eastbound I-465 and the flyover from westbound I-465 will merge to form the I-69 southbound mainline.

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Slightly closer look, with a slightly southeast angle.

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Looking west toward a section of the northwest quadrant of the work zone. This area will feature the ramp from eastbound I-465 to I-69 south, as well as the beginning of the exit ramp from eastbound I-465 to Harding Street. It's likely all these poles and wires will be removed and relocated elsewhere.

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A broad perspective of the work site with I-465 in the background; looking northwest. Here, in all likelihood, is where the ramp from eastbound I-465 and the flyover from westbound I-465 will merge to form I-69 southbound.

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Culvert under I-465, located in the northern sector of the construction zone; looking north. It is visible on Google Maps, satellite view, and is likely to be completely replaced as I-465 is widened and reconstructed in this vicinity.

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Looking slightly northeast toward the northeast quadrant of the work zone. The signage is on eastbound I-465.

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Closer look. The future exit ramp from eastbound I-465 to Harding Street will be located in this vicinity, as well as the northbound ramp from I-69 north to I-465 east.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52110837759_3948569327_k.jpg)
Looking north from near the center of the construction zone. The culvert pictured above is visible in the background, center-left. This is where the ramps from I-69 northbound to I-465 westbound, as well as I-465 eastbound, probably will be constructed.

At this time, because piles have yet to be driven, it's difficult to say with any exactitude where the interchange ramps and flyovers will be located. So, please consider the mentions in the captions above as generalities not specifics. It won't be long before the interchange begins to take form, maybe this fall, or maybe next spring. We'll see. At any rate, work is proceeding at an accelerated pace.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 31, 2022, 07:14:09 AM
Quote from: ITB on May 31, 2022, 01:33:08 AM
And, finally, some photos of the construction zone where the I-69/I-465 system interchange will be built. The zone is quite extensive, stretching between I-465 in the north to Epler Ave. in the south. Although pile driving has yet to commence, crews continue the work to relocate utilities and to prep the ground for upcoming stages of construction. Right now the ground is soft, a little spongy-like. As it is treated, with lime perhaps, it will harden significantly.


This was along my route between home, my in-laws, and the track, so I was through there a few times this weekend and noticed the work had begun.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on May 31, 2022, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 30, 2022, 07:45:04 PM

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52109552052_d440afa7a0_k.jpg)
Looking north from near mainline bridge over County Line toward the future southbound lanes of Interstate 69. According to the I-69 Finish Line project update (May 23, 2022), all SR 37 traffic was to begin shifting to this new pavement sometime after last Thursday, beginning with the southbound. But that didn't transpire, probably because of a recent spate of wet weather. The changeover will likely happen this week, or if not, then early next. In the background is the new southbound bridge over Pleasant Run Creek.



Opening tonight! https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/319bddc

Wish they would have been able to do this on schedule. Drove through here to go camping in Kentucky this weekend and traffic was pretty slow throughout the entire 1 lane portion of the project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 31, 2022, 04:26:38 PM

Rendering of the forthcoming I-69/I-465 interchange:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52113582975_b2d24dc24e_o.png)
Courtesy Indiana Finance Authority; Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team
Cover of the proposal submitted by the Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team to the Indiana Finance Authority. The entire WMDBT proposal, with certain sections redacted, is available for public perusal on the IFA website, and can be accessed and downloaded here. (https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/I69_Section6/i69sec6DBBV_RFP.htm) With the document in the public realm, the cover, etc., can be used for educational purposes under the principles of "fair use."

Overhead view of the area where the interchange will be constructed:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52113582750_15e1e0a401_o.png)
Courtesy Google Maps
The path of I-69 will pass in a northwest direction between the two quarries north of Epler Ave. The gravel driveway off Epler pictured in an earlier post is located where the "Cargo Securement Academy" is tagged.

Zoomed in view of the area showing the culvert under I-465:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52113113593_b78b12b949_o.png)
Courtesy Google Maps
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Ryctor2018 on June 01, 2022, 12:15:15 PM
The camera's on SR-37/future I-69 now show the traffic shift discussed earlier: https://511in.org/@-86.21628,39.66469,13?show=incidents,normalCameras,electronicSigns,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/531/1005091709

I had just missed this myself as I drove down to Nashville from the Chicago area, taking I-69 to check out the construction. On another note, more traffic is starting to use the road south of Bloomington. There were times when I took I-69 to Evansville when I would not pass a vehicle for miles, in both directions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on June 01, 2022, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 31, 2022, 04:26:38 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52113582975_b2d24dc24e_o.png)
Courtesy Indiana Finance Authority; Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team
Cover of the proposal submitted by the Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team to the Indiana Finance Authority. The entire WMDBT proposal, with certain sections redacted, is available for public perusal on the IFA website, and can be accessed and downloaded here. (https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/I69_Section6/i69sec6DBBV_RFP.htm) With the document in the public realm, the cover, etc., can be used for educational purposes under the principles of "fair use."

This is admittedly a bit off topic, but it is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that you use the phrase "courtesy" when you have permission to use something and not merely the right to use it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: seicer on June 01, 2022, 02:06:09 PM
It could also signify politeness. Even when I cite things that are in the public domain (i.e. images from a public repository), I will use the phrase "courtesy of". I'm not sure it's more of a southern thing since that's where I am from and where I've heard it the most but it always stuck with me.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 01, 2022, 02:42:25 PM
QuoteThis is admittedly a bit off topic, but it is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that you use the phrase "courtesy" when you have permission to use something and not merely the right to use it.

Well, in general, that's true. Courtesy, however, has more than one connotation, politeness, for instance, as in "As a courtesy he held the door open so the group could enter." Since I wanted readers to know where the image came from — a hat tip, so to say — I used the word "courtesy" to indicate that. Maybe "courtesy of" would have been more appropriate. Perhaps it isn't the best word to use, but I'm fumbling to find a better one.

   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on June 01, 2022, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 01, 2022, 02:42:25 PM
QuoteThis is admittedly a bit off topic, but it is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that you use the phrase "courtesy" when you have permission to use something and not merely the right to use it.

Well, in general, that's true. Courtesy, however, has more than one connotation, politeness, for instance, as in "As a courtesy he held the door open so the group could enter." Since I wanted readers to know where the image came from – a hat tip, so to say – I used the word "courtesy" to indicate that. Maybe "courtesy of" would have been more appropriate. Perhaps it isn't the best word to use, but I'm fumbling to find a better one.

You are admittedly not a publisher, and you are not creating a formal publication, but Harvard University Press, for example, states the following:
Quote
Since formal permission has not been obtained, the credit line should not include phrasing such as "by permission of"  or "courtesy of" .

What I've seen used in this context is "credit,"  as in:
Quote
Credit Indiana Finance Authority; Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 01, 2022, 04:23:27 PM
I read today that an Indy based organization is going to have their annual meeting in Evansville for the first time ever.

Why? I-69!

More members can get there faster from across the state.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on June 01, 2022, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ryctor2018 on June 01, 2022, 12:15:15 PM
The camera's on SR-37/future I-69 now show the traffic shift discussed earlier: https://511in.org/@-86.21628,39.66469,13?show=incidents,normalCameras,electronicSigns,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/531/1005091709

I had just missed this myself as I drove down to Nashville from the Chicago area, taking I-69 to check out the construction. On another note, more traffic is starting to use the road south of Bloomington. There were times when I took I-69 to Evansville when I would not pass a vehicle for miles, in both directions.
It's funny you say that because once we were on 69 south of B-Town, my wife randomly asked "where are all the cars?" Lol

Pixel 6

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 01, 2022, 06:03:00 PM
https://www.facebook.com/RichNyeWTHR13/videos/540822994204901/

The County Line Road interchange is signed for exit 158, which sounds about right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 02, 2022, 06:58:11 PM
https://cbs4indy.com/news/major-milestone-indot-opens-first-portion-of-i-69-project-in-marion-county/

It's great to see this project moving quickly!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 02, 2022, 07:07:13 PM
The project should have ended at the I-465 interchange.  Beyond that further south what a colossal waste of $$$.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 02, 2022, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 02, 2022, 07:07:13 PM
The project should have ended at the I-465 interchange.  Beyond that further south what a colossal waste of $$$.

Indiana can choose to spend their money as they see fit. I would surmise they know their needs better than anyone.

Nothing happening on the other I-69 boards, so you decided to start slumming over here eh?

:poke:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on June 03, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
^ It's better that someone from Tennessee is saying an urban freeway project south of Indianapolis is not needed. I would venture to say he has never driven this portion of roadway before, or at best once during an off peak time.

I've personally not driven the road either, however I'm not coming in here saying these upgrades are not needed. Clearly, the data says otherwise.

All he's doing with posting is looking for a reaction, as is a trend with his other postings on this forum
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 03, 2022, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 03, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
^ It's better that someone from Tennessee is saying an urban freeway project south of Indianapolis is not needed. I would venture to say he has never driven this portion of roadway before, or at best once during an off peak time.

I've personally not driven the road either, however I'm not coming in here saying these upgrades are not needed. Clearly, the data says otherwise.

All he's doing with posting is looking for a reaction, as is a trend with his other postings on this forum

Upgrading to freeway from Indianapolis to Bloomington is long past due.

Building the new freeway from Bloomington to Evansville may not have a huge amount of intrastate utility, but it certainly makes a lot of sense if/when it becomes freeway the rest of the way to Memphis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Anthony_JK on June 04, 2022, 05:38:07 PM
Av thinks all freeways are wastes of taxpayer money. At least he's being consistent.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 04, 2022, 10:59:01 PM
i've always said this. I-69 should end in Memphis. the portion in indiana was needed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: ITB on May 31, 2022, 01:33:08 AM
...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52111099845_9917306977_k.jpg)
Culvert under I-465, located in the northern sector of the construction zone; looking north. It is visible on Google Maps, satellite view, and is likely to be completely replaced as I-465 is widened and reconstructed in this vicinity.

...
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 06, 2022, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.
I was thinking an undercrossing for Amish buggies. There are some of those on the interstates across northern Indiana due to the large Amish population there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 06, 2022, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 06, 2022, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.
I was thinking an undercrossing for Amish buggies. There are some of those on the interstates across northern Indiana due to the large Amish population there.

I'm not aware of any underpasses in Indiana that were created specifically for Amish buggies. The highways have abnormally wide shoulders, and that might also make a highway underpass wider, but not *just* for Amish buggies.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on June 06, 2022, 10:49:22 AM
The thought of cows anywhere around 465 currently is amusing to me. I'm sure it's entirely possible that there was farmland down there when 465 was built and before the quarries were dug.

Pixel 6

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 06, 2022, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.

It was built for the quarry company when they owned both sides of I-465. When I-465 was built it split the quarry owned property in two, so INDOT installed the culvert so that they could take water out of the Harding Street quarry and continue to have it flow down to Hare Ditch (which eventually emptied into the White River). Since then the quarry company has quarried all that land south of Thompson and Epler and cut off Hare Ditch from reaching the White. So the water in Harding is now pumped out and dumped into Thompson Run Creek on the north side of the property. This made the culvert worthless and is legacy now. The culvert has been filled in south of Thompson Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 06, 2022, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 06, 2022, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.

It was built for the quarry company when they owned both sides of I-465. When I-465 was built it split the quarry owned property in two, so INDOT installed the culvert so that they could take water out of the Harding Street quarry and continue to have it flow down to Hare Ditch (which eventually emptied into the White River). Since then the quarry company has quarried all that land south of Thompson and Epler and cut off Hare Ditch from reaching the White. So the water in Harding is now pumped out and dumped into Thompson Run Creek on the north side of the property. This made the culvert worthless and is legacy now. The culvert has been filled in south of Thompson Road.

:hmmm: interesting, had no idea!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 06, 2022, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 06, 2022, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 06, 2022, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.

It was built for the quarry company when they owned both sides of I-465. When I-465 was built it split the quarry owned property in two, so INDOT installed the culvert so that they could take water out of the Harding Street quarry and continue to have it flow down to Hare Ditch (which eventually emptied into the White River). Since then the quarry company has quarried all that land south of Thompson and Epler and cut off Hare Ditch from reaching the White. So the water in Harding is now pumped out and dumped into Thompson Run Creek on the north side of the property. This made the culvert worthless and is legacy now. The culvert has been filled in south of Thompson Road.

:hmmm: interesting, had no idea!

Yes, after the quarry company stopped using it, they built up that ridge of dirt along the north side of I-465 ROW so you can't see inside the quarry property.

That is why it looks so out of place today.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 06, 2022, 08:10:14 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 02, 2022, 07:07:13 PM
The project should have ended at the I-465 interchange.  Beyond that further south what a colossal waste of $$$.

I have driven through said corridor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-39 on June 06, 2022, 10:16:01 PM
Quote from: Anthony_JK on June 04, 2022, 05:38:07 PM
Av thinks all freeways are wastes of taxpayer money. At least he's being consistent.

He thinks anything more than a two lane country road with narrow lanes and no shoulders is excessive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 07, 2022, 07:58:11 AM
fictional, but back in the US Highway era, I would have created a Memphis to FT Wayne US Highway (that goes through Evansville) called US 39.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 07, 2022, 09:22:49 AM
Big Rig Steve drove by the I-465 and Future I-69 interchange construction yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNIlHJgnVG0

Its starting at the 7:58:11 mark

Mostly dirt, but a decent enough view off to his right.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 07, 2022, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 06, 2022, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.

It was built for the quarry company when they owned both sides of I-465. When I-465 was built it split the quarry owned property in two, so INDOT installed the culvert so that they could take water out of the Harding Street quarry and continue to have it flow down to Hare Ditch (which eventually emptied into the White River). Since then the quarry company has quarried all that land south of Thompson and Epler and cut off Hare Ditch from reaching the White. So the water in Harding is now pumped out and dumped into Thompson Run Creek on the north side of the property. This made the culvert worthless and is legacy now. The culvert has been filled in south of Thompson Road.

Thumbs up! Thanks for taking the time to look into this and sharing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 08, 2022, 10:11:20 AM
The "quarry pass" is reminiscent of the cement company openings just south of US 6 on I-39 in La Salle IL. At one time there were conveyor systems running across the interchange and through the culverts to carry the material from the quarry to the cement processing plant.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3352168,-89.0711443,3a,75y,309.91h,80.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPInO48VsmUvK2vEdTRoldQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 08, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 08, 2022, 10:11:20 AM
The "quarry pass" is reminiscent of the cement company openings just south of US 6 on I-39 in La Salle IL. At one time there were conveyor systems running across the interchange and through the culverts to carry the material from the quarry to the cement processing plant.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3352168,-89.0711443,3a,75y,309.91h,80.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPInO48VsmUvK2vEdTRoldQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Rick,

That is exactly what I thought it was, but I can't find any evidence they ran a conveyor belt through there. It may have been built with that in mind, but just never used.

I-70 east of Terre Haute in Indiana has a couple of conveyor underpasses for the now closed AMAX Chinook Mine.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on June 08, 2022, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 08, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 08, 2022, 10:11:20 AM
The "quarry pass" is reminiscent of the cement company openings just south of US 6 on I-39 in La Salle IL. At one time there were conveyor systems running across the interchange and through the culverts to carry the material from the quarry to the cement processing plant.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3352168,-89.0711443,3a,75y,309.91h,80.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPInO48VsmUvK2vEdTRoldQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Rick,

That is exactly what I thought it was, but I can't find any evidence they ran a conveyor belt through there. It may have been built with that in mind, but just never used.

I-70 east of Terre Haute in Indiana has a couple of conveyor underpasses for the now closed AMAX Chinook Mine.

Those conveyer systems east of Terre Haute were removed several years ago when the mine closed. I think the sign remains, but everything else from the Amax mine was removed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 08, 2022, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 08, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Rick,

That is exactly what I thought it was, but I can't find any evidence they ran a conveyor belt through there. It may have been built with that in mind, but just never used.

I was involved in the original construction of I-39 and I remember seeing the conveyor belt system in place after the bridges were built. I have no pics of it, and couldn't find any online. The limestone came from near the IL River but apparently when the quarry ran out, the IL Cement Co. removed the conveyor system (it was built around 1987 when the IL River Bridge was opened, but gone by 2007, the earliest StreetView I could find). They now get their limestone from a quarry directly north of the I-80/IL 351 interchange. I did find a reference to a bridge on I-39 over "conveyor belt/road" just south of US 6 in an IDOT bridge crack sealing plan set, p. 4.

http://apps.dot.illinois.gov/eplan/desenv/112114/059-66E04/PLANS/PL-66E04-059.pdf
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 09, 2022, 01:51:37 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 08, 2022, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 08, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Rick,

That is exactly what I thought it was, but I can't find any evidence they ran a conveyor belt through there. It may have been built with that in mind, but just never used.

I was involved in the original construction of I-39 and I remember seeing the conveyor belt system in place after the bridges were built. I have no pics of it, and couldn't find any online. The limestone came from near the IL River but apparently when the quarry ran out, the IL Cement Co. removed the conveyor system (it was built around 1987 when the IL River Bridge was opened, but gone by 2007, the earliest StreetView I could find). They now get their limestone from a quarry directly north of the I-80/IL 351 interchange. I did find a reference to a bridge on I-39 over "conveyor belt/road" just south of US 6 in an IDOT bridge crack sealing plan set, p. 4.

http://apps.dot.illinois.gov/eplan/desenv/112114/059-66E04/PLANS/PL-66E04-059.pdf

Wow, that is one long conveyor route!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52134841650_5418ecb022_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 11, 2022, 09:00:11 PM

Yesterday, June 10th, there was a a major incident involving a tanker truck on the recently opened segment of new pavement near Wicker Road in Marion County. The tanker, which was traveling south on SR 37, blew a tire, smacked the barrier wall, then caught fire. All lanes, both south and northbound were closed for a considerable period. The truck driver was able to escape without injury. Because the fire spread to the roadway, it's quite possible that section of pavement was damaged, and, I imagine may have to be redone.

Here's a link to a news report:




And here's the general location were the incident occurred:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52110620523_868238aace_k.jpg)
Looking northeast from the southbound exit ramp to County Line Road. In the deep background are the sidewalls of the bridge over Wicker Road. Just in front of that is the bridge over Pleasant Run Creek. Photo date: May 29, 2022.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 12, 2022, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: ITB on June 11, 2022, 09:00:11 PM

Yesterday, June 10th, there was a a major incident involving a tanker truck on the recently opened segment of new pavement near Wicker Road in Marion County. The tanker, which was traveling south on SR 37, blew a tire, smacked the barrier wall, then caught fire. All lanes, both south and northbound were closed for a considerable period. The truck driver was able to escape without injury. Because the fire spread to the roadway, it's quite possible that section of pavement was damaged, and, I imagine may have to be redone.

Here's a link to a news report:




And here's the general location were the incident occurred:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52110620523_868238aace_k.jpg)
Looking northeast from the southbound exit ramp to County Line Road. In the deep background are the sidewalls of the bridge over Wicker Road. Just in front of that is the bridge over Pleasant Run Creek. Photo date: May 29, 2022.
It would be the trucking company's insurance that would cover the cost to repair that section, if required.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on June 12, 2022, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 12, 2022, 11:25:33 AM
It would be the trucking company's insurance that would cover the cost to repair that section, if required.

How much insurance does the average trucking company have? I can easily see damage costs dwarfing any liability coverage.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on June 12, 2022, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on June 12, 2022, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 12, 2022, 11:25:33 AM
It would be the trucking company's insurance that would cover the cost to repair that section, if required.

How much insurance does the average trucking company have? I can easily see damage costs dwarfing any liability coverage.

Depending on the damage, it may not be as much as you think, especially if the contractor can do a partial depth removal and replacement rather than a full depth, to get down to undamaged material.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 12, 2022, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 06, 2022, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on June 05, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on June 05, 2022, 06:51:08 PM
I have always wondered about this particular culvert, and what function is serves. Was it originally built for drainage reasons, to serve as a wildlife undercrossing, or both? Or for some other purpose altogether? If anyone knows the answer, please share!
It looks suspiciously like a "cattle pass" of which some were built on the original construction of I-80 in IL. If so, it might be a candidate for removal if not needed with current land uses.

It was built for the quarry company when they owned both sides of I-465. When I-465 was built it split the quarry owned property in two, so INDOT installed the culvert so that they could take water out of the Harding Street quarry and continue to have it flow down to Hare Ditch (which eventually emptied into the White River). Since then the quarry company has quarried all that land south of Thompson and Epler and cut off Hare Ditch from reaching the White. So the water in Harding is now pumped out and dumped into Thompson Run Creek on the north side of the property. This made the culvert worthless and is legacy now. The culvert has been filled in south of Thompson Road.
Thank you so much for researching this. It satisfied my curiosity about this little underpass!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on June 12, 2022, 06:33:51 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on June 07, 2022, 09:22:49 AM
Big Rig Steve drove by the I-465 and Future I-69 interchange construction yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNIlHJgnVG0

Its starting at the 7:58:11 mark

Mostly dirt, but a decent enough view off to his right.
And at 7:29:17 is that little mystery undercrossing that's no longer a mystery! Thanks for posting this video!

BTW, what's with all the trucks using the left lane in this traffic jam? Where's the ISP to enforce the TRUCKS AND VEHICLES WITH TRAILERS MUST USE RIGHT TWO LANES signs? The trucker who made this video is obviously one of the GOOD ones who obeys the law, but his profession is unfortunately sullied by all the left lane using bullies who think they are above the law.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. This takes place at the Patoka River bridges, and the signs reading "Entering Central/Eastern Time Zone" are posted at the Pike County end northbound and the Gibson County end southbound.

A good number of the BGSs between Evansville and Washington have been recently overlaid or replaced due to storm damage since the highway opened, and I don't know who did the job, but some of the signs look really awful. I'll have to get some pics while I'm out and about.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 20, 2022, 12:19:02 AM
Some of those signs have been like that for a few years. Only the very original BGSs along I-69 are of good quality. I don't know why but in Indiana it seems that any sign that has to be replaced or reconfigured is done poorly and only a completely new sign looks better.

Good to hear about the time zone signs though, that's pretty neat to hear about.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on June 20, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. <snip>
That's great. Hopefully they'll do that on I-65 up north one of these days.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 21, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 20, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. <snip>
That's great. Hopefully they'll do that on I-65 up north one of these days.

i agree, always confused where the line is!  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 21, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 20, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. <snip>
That's great. Hopefully they'll do that on I-65 up north one of these days.

i agree, always confused where the line is!  :-D

The time zone boundary is the Jasper/White county line, which is about 2 miles south of the US 24/231 Wolcott/Remington exit. Another way to keep track is the beginning/end of the White County wind farm.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 21, 2022, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 21, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 20, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. <snip>
That's great. Hopefully they'll do that on I-65 up north one of these days.

i agree, always confused where the line is!  :-D

The time zone boundary is the Jasper/White county line, which is about 2 miles south of the US 24/231 Wolcott/Remington exit. Another way to keep track is the beginning/end of the White County wind farm.
Indiana has not done a good job of posting the boundary between eastern and central time. The only place I know for sure where there was a sign marking the change from EST to CST (and vice versa) was on the Indiana Toll Road at the LaPorte/St. Joseph county line near New Carlisle (between MPs 61 and 62). As a kid, we would often drive from Fort Wayne to visit relatives near Valparaiso, and I never saw a sign indicating the time zone boundary on US-30 at the Marshall/Starke county line.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7419327,-86.5244715,3a,64.8y,92.79h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUWljYGpLKwINSQWEDaT-xA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on June 29, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
I made the drive to Bloomington from Greenwood last night and the progress is going well but for some reason they had barrels reducing to one lane and the road looks complete. Anyone know why this is going on?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 29, 2022, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: IndyAgent on June 29, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
I made the drive to Bloomington from Greenwood last night and the progress is going well but for some reason they had barrels reducing to one lane and the road looks complete. Anyone know why this is going on?

Probably because the striping process is still ongoing. Instead of the usual painted on markings, a new type of reflective tape is being used that involves grinding shallow groves in the pavement. Read all about it here. (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-may-31-2022//)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on July 07, 2022, 10:32:32 AM
INDOT released a video of them placing the Myra Lane bridge beams across the highway.

https://twitter.com/i69finishline/status/1545049666097623040
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 07, 2022, 01:42:31 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 21, 2022, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 21, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 20, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. <snip>
That's great. Hopefully they'll do that on I-65 up north one of these days.

i agree, always confused where the line is!  :-D

The time zone boundary is the Jasper/White county line, which is about 2 miles south of the US 24/231 Wolcott/Remington exit. Another way to keep track is the beginning/end of the White County wind farm.
Indiana has not done a good job of posting the boundary between eastern and central time. The only place I know for sure where there was a sign marking the change from EST to CST (and vice versa) was on the Indiana Toll Road at the LaPorte/St. Joseph county line near New Carlisle (between MPs 61 and 62). As a kid, we would often drive from Fort Wayne to visit relatives near Valparaiso, and I never saw a sign indicating the time zone boundary on US-30 at the Marshall/Starke county line.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7419327,-86.5244715,3a,64.8y,92.79h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUWljYGpLKwINSQWEDaT-xA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Also, I think there's a bit of "flexibility" in time zones near the borders. Here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B045'59.0%22N+87%C2%B007'26.4%22W/@40.7668778,-87.1272365,621m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x1022bc9a6d72c414!8m2!3d40.766395!4d-87.123999), for example, the Petro is on Central Time, while the Pilot is on Eastern, at least at the pumps I used.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 07, 2022, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 07, 2022, 01:42:31 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 21, 2022, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 21, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
Quote from: jhuntin1 on June 20, 2022, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
One of the things I've noticed recently on I-69 in SW Indiana is that INDOT posted signage alerting drivers to the time zone change. <snip>
That's great. Hopefully they'll do that on I-65 up north one of these days.

i agree, always confused where the line is!  :-D

The time zone boundary is the Jasper/White county line, which is about 2 miles south of the US 24/231 Wolcott/Remington exit. Another way to keep track is the beginning/end of the White County wind farm.
Indiana has not done a good job of posting the boundary between eastern and central time. The only place I know for sure where there was a sign marking the change from EST to CST (and vice versa) was on the Indiana Toll Road at the LaPorte/St. Joseph county line near New Carlisle (between MPs 61 and 62). As a kid, we would often drive from Fort Wayne to visit relatives near Valparaiso, and I never saw a sign indicating the time zone boundary on US-30 at the Marshall/Starke county line.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7419327,-86.5244715,3a,64.8y,92.79h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUWljYGpLKwINSQWEDaT-xA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Also, I think there's a bit of "flexibility" in time zones near the borders. Here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B045'59.0%22N+87%C2%B007'26.4%22W/@40.7668778,-87.1272365,621m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x1022bc9a6d72c414!8m2!3d40.766395!4d-87.123999), for example, the Petro is on Central Time, while the Pilot is on Eastern, at least at the pumps I used.

Slightly ironic since the Petro is farther east. Not sure why Pilot would be on the wrong time, but for someplace that's open 24 hours it shouldn't matter. If I went to the McDonald's at 10:15 and was told I couldn't get breakfast because they operate on Eastern I'd be pissed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 08, 2022, 09:36:36 PM

I-69 construction progress was the topic of a WTHR News report broadcast earlier today. The report notes the Martinsville to Indianapolis project (Section 6) is now fifty percent complete and remains on schedule. There's some nice drone footage of the SR 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. The online posted story also has a nice drone photo of the County Line Road interchange.

The video report and story text can be accessed here. (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 08, 2022, 11:36:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 08, 2022, 09:36:36 PM

I-69 construction progress was the topic of a WTHR News report broadcast earlier today. The report notes the Martinsville to Indianapolis project (Section 6) is now fifty percent complete and remains on schedule. There's some nice drone footage of the SR 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. The online posted story also has a nice drone photo of the County Line Road interchange.

The video report and story text can be accessed here. (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3)

it's not on schedule, i heard in that same story that it's years AHEAD of schedule. that's great!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on July 09, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 08, 2022, 11:36:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 08, 2022, 09:36:36 PM

I-69 construction progress was the topic of a WTHR News report broadcast earlier today. The report notes the Martinsville to Indianapolis project (Section 6) is now fifty percent complete and remains on schedule. There's some nice drone footage of the SR 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. The online posted story also has a nice drone photo of the County Line Road interchange.

The video report and story text can be accessed here. (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3)

it's not on schedule, i heard in that same story that it's years AHEAD of schedule. that's great!
The "years ahead of schedule" was an error and was removed from later versions of the story on their web site (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-ahead-of-schedule-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3). "NOTE: This story has been updated to correct the project is on time and not three years ahead of schedule."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 11, 2022, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 08, 2022, 11:36:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 08, 2022, 09:36:36 PM

I-69 construction progress was the topic of a WTHR News report broadcast earlier today. The report notes the Martinsville to Indianapolis project (Section 6) is now fifty percent complete and remains on schedule. There's some nice drone footage of the SR 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. The online posted story also has a nice drone photo of the County Line Road interchange.

The video report and story text can be accessed here. (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3)

it's not on schedule, i heard in that same story that it's years AHEAD of schedule. that's great!

Whelp, seems I missed that little bit of "news." Oh, well.

Got some pictures for you guys. Photos were taken Sunday, July 10, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south with the long range lens from near the Myra Lane overpass in Morgan County, a little north of Martinsville. The overpass pictured will carry Teeters Road. To better see the mileage signage for the Martinsville exits, expand the photo.

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Myra Lane overpass; looking west. Coming along, but still a bit to do here, including the side walls and the approach slabs.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52207293802_8ce8657571_k.jpg)
Another view of the Myra Lane overpass; looking southwest.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208795730_88b5fcdfc1_k.jpg)
Long range view; looking south from near the Myra Lane overpass. The retaining wall is being painted to resemble brick work.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208793025_dbac2873f5_k.jpg)
The center bent and pilings for the western abutment for the overpass that will carry Smith Valley Road in Johnson County; looking northeast. Not much progress here, then again it's scheduled to be completed in 2023.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208564694_c7f5e1c0f2_k.jpg)
Using the long range lens, looking south from near the Smith Valley Road work zone. Visible in the deep background is the SR 144 overpass (best seen when the photo is expanded). On the right is the southbound entrance ramp from Smith Valley Road.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52207291197_665808e173_k.jpg)
Different view of the southbound entrance ramp from Smith Valley Road; looking south. As the stakes for the stringline are still in place, the ramp was very recently paved, probably last week.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52207287792_63aeacabcf_k.jpg)
The view looking north from the Smith Valley Road work zone. Work continues on the bridge that will carry the southbound mainline over Honey Creek.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208298331_07b918dd7b_k.jpg)
Closer look of the center bent and western abutment pilings of the future Smith Valley Road overpass; looking northeast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208320573_cd10debc16_k.jpg)
What the eye sees looking south from near the Smith Valley Road work zone. If expanded, the SR 144 overpass can be discerned in the deep background.

More pictures to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 11, 2022, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on July 09, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 08, 2022, 11:36:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 08, 2022, 09:36:36 PM

I-69 construction progress was the topic of a WTHR News report broadcast earlier today. The report notes the Martinsville to Indianapolis project (Section 6) is now fifty percent complete and remains on schedule. There's some nice drone footage of the SR 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. The online posted story also has a nice drone photo of the County Line Road interchange.

The video report and story text can be accessed here. (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3)

it's not on schedule, i heard in that same story that it's years AHEAD of schedule. that's great!
The "years ahead of schedule" was an error and was removed from later versions of the story on their web site (https://www.wthr.com/article/travel/i-69-project-between-indy-martinsville-ahead-of-schedule-indot/531-54efb94a-8fc8-4e35-b4d3-b1a40932d4f3). "NOTE: This story has been updated to correct the project is on time and not three years ahead of schedule."

:-D That didn't seem right when I heard it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 11, 2022, 02:27:51 PM
Another set. Again, photos were taken Sunday, July 10, 2022.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208560729_bddf19afbb_k.jpg)
The view looking north from the Smith Valley Road interchange work zone in Johnson County. In the background, work continues on the southbound mainline bridge over Honey Creek. This is what the eye sees. In the previous photo set, a similar picture was taken with the long range lens.

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West of the future interchange, Smith Valley Road will slope down and meet a roundabout, which will have connections to the newly built frontage road that will run roughly parallel to I-69 between County Line Road to the north and State Road 144 to the south; looking west.

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The frontage road that juts off north from the roundabout pictured above, and the bridge that carries it over Honey Creek; looking north.

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Another view of the frontage road; looking north.

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The view looking north about a mile south of Smith Valley Road work zone. When the photo is expanded, the State Road 37/Smith Valley Road intersection can be discerned in the deep background. On the left is the future southbound entrance ramp from Smith Valley Road, as well as the new recently built frontage road (far left).

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208295626_f2d469aa2f_k.jpg)
Turning around, the view looking south.

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Using the long range lens, the State Road 144 overpass comes into view; looking south.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52208295976_b5fb85e91e_k.jpg)
The view looking east. Housing developments continue to fill in the land between Smith Valley Road and County Road 144 to the south. A few have even crossed south of CR 144.

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Large MSE retaining wall behind the gas station/convenience store, which will help support the southbound exit ramp to SR 144; looking east.

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Crane assembly at the SR 37/SR-CR 144 construction zone in preparation to place the beams over Bluff Creek for the future northbound exit ramp to CR 144; looking northeast.

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Another perspective; looking north.

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Looking east toward the State Road 37/State Road 144 intersection. At this time, to facilitate construction, access to CR 144 from either SR 37 or SR 144 has been closed off.

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An expanded view of the approach to the SR 144 overpass and the large retaining wall pictured above; looking east.

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State Road 144 overpass; looking northeast.

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Long range perspective looking north from the Smith Valley Road work zone toward the mainline bridge work over Honey Creek.

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A more expansive view looking north from about one mile south of the Smith Valley Road work zone.

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Another perspective of the future southbound entrance ramp from Smith Valley Road; looking south.

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One more. Long range view looking south from the Smith Valley Road interchange work zone.

Edit: swapped out a photo for another; added two more; grammar



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 14, 2022, 12:35:25 PM
There was a crash early this morning at the State Road 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. It happened around 6:20am, and was significant enough that two firetrucks, one fire rescue vehicle, and at least one ambulance responded. The scene was captured by an INDOT traffic camera.

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INDOT Trafficwise camera

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INDOT Trafficwise camera

Link: INDOT Trafficwise (https://511in.org/@-87.86316,40.03112,7?show=incidents,normalCameras)

As an aside, the bottom picture depicts the recently placed beams for the bridge over Bluff Creek that will carry the northbound exit ramp to CR 144.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 17, 2022, 12:50:48 PM

Some more pictures. Because rain was forecast for today, Sunday, I went up for another look-see yesterday. Photos were taken Saturday, July 16, 2022.

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Looking north from the western abutment of the Southport Road overpass in Indianapolis. On the right is the northbound mainline bridge over Little Buck Creek, as well as the bridge (right) that will carry the northbound entrance ramp from Southport Road.

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Closer look of the two bridges over Little Buck Creek; looking northeast.

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Bridge deck finisher in place on the Southport Road overpass, meaning the deck pour is soon forthcoming; looking slightly southeast.

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Using the long range lens, looking north from the Southport Road overpass. Construction of the northbound mainline bridge over Banta Road is on the right, mid-background.

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What the eye sees looking north from the Southport Road overpass.

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Falsework along the northern edge of the Southport Road overpass; looking east.

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Another view looking north.

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State Road 37/Southport Road intersection; looking southeast. Later, heading south, I was stopped at this light. When it turned green, a car in the northbound left turn lane proceeded through the intersection and into the southbound left turn lane. Realizing the mistake, the driver did a quick U-turn in the southbound lanes right here. Fortunately, traffic was light at that moment.

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Another perspective of the Southport Road overpass; looking southeast. Considering the width of the bridge, it's going to be large and time consuming deck pour. There could be as many as 10 or 15 mixers shuttling back and forth between the site and the batch plant.

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Poles for traffic lights and signage on site at the Southport Road work zone; looking east.

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Also on site at Southport, several large coils of tubing for underground utilities.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 17, 2022, 03:10:24 PM
Another batch. Again, photos were taken Saturday, July 16, 2022.

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State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County; looking slightly southwest. The northbound entrance ramp from CR 144 is in the foreground.

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Deck of the SR 144 overpass; looking west. The area where the concrete looks rough is for the sidewalk; it will receive another layer of concrete. Also, the pour for the approach slab seems not too far off.

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View looking slightly northwest from the SR 144 overpass. In the background is a stretch of newly paved concrete for the future northbound lanes where a crew has been at work paving a section of the northbound roadway between SR 144 and Smith Valley Road. Between Fairview Road and the SR-CR 144 interchange Morgan/Johnson county line, the road surface of I-69 will be concrete.

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The bridge over Bluff Creek that will carry the northbound ramp to CR 144 at the future SR-CR 144 interchange; looking south.

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State Road 37/SR-CR 144 intersection; looking southwest. CR 144 east is currently sealed off with barricades at this location as well as at frontage road entrance and another point further east. Despite the signage and barriers, I observed a vehicle driving south on the frontage road maneuver around them to get where they wanted to go.

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Another perspective of the SR 144 overpass and its falsework; looking west.

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Looking east toward CR 144 from the eastern roundabout of the future SR-CR 144 interchange. By the way, I was born about 10 miles down this road, in Johnson County Memorial Hospital (now called Johnson Memorial Health). Betcha didn't know that.

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Long range shot looking slightly northwest from the new frontage road about a quarter mile south of the SR 144 overpass. In the deep background, the southbound entrance ramp from Smith Valley Road is visible (better seen if the photo is expanded). Probably should have driven down to little rise and gotten the tripod out for some better snaps, but it was getting late and I, a little tired. Early next week looks like I'll be going to IND again, so maybe on the way back I'll detour over for another look-see. We'll see.

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Another view of the northbound entrance ramp from the eastern roundabout of the future SR-CR 144 interchange; looking slightly northwest.

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One more of the bridge work for the northbound ramp over Bluff Creek to CR 144; looking south. The temporary traffic light at Banta Road is visible in the deep background. With CR 144 closed at SR 37, Banta Road and Whiteland Road are getting a lot of the detoured traffic, and it's considerable.

And, finally, here's a few photos from the Epler Avenue area in Indianapolis.

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Epler Avenue just west of Elper Ave./Belmont Ave. intersection; looking west. Visualize a bridge here, as this is where the Epler Avenue overpass will be built over I-69. Also, there will be a northbound ramp to Epler, as well as a southbound one from Epler. Those old utility poles are going to have to be removed, or at the very least replaced with modern, much taller ones.

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Turning around, looking east, the view in the other direction. The SR 37/Epler Ave. intersection is in the background.

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Looking south toward Belmont Ave. from the Epler Ave./Belmont Ave. intersection. Although this section of road will remain, Belmont Avenue will be rerouted west of I-69 between Epler and Southport Road. Good chance this small section of road, which will terminate not all that far down, will be re-signed.

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Last remaining structures of the SRM Concrete batch plant near the Epler Ave./Belmont Ave. intersection; looking west. This facility is being taken down because I-69 is coming right through here, from left to right.

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One last view of the Southport Road overpass; looking east. Although at first glance it appears the overpass structure is somewhat near to the ground, that's not the case. Actually, it's about eight or 10 feet higher; note the ladder on the left.

I took a brief look at the work zone where the I-69/I-465 system interchange will be located and not much has changed image wise, so no pictures of that. Work is still continuing of course, but it primarily involves underground utilities and drainage. Ground settlement also is still ongoing. Construction there will kick into high gear early next year.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on July 18, 2022, 05:22:50 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 14, 2022, 12:35:25 PM
There was a crash early this morning at the State Road 37/SR-CR 144 intersection. It happened around 6:20am, and was significant enough that two firetrucks, one fire rescue vehicle, and at least one ambulance responded. The scene was captured by an INDOT traffic camera.

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INDOT Trafficwise camera

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INDOT Trafficwise camera

Link: INDOT Trafficwise (https://511in.org/@-87.86316,40.03112,7?show=incidents,normalCameras)

As an aside, the bottom picture depicts the recently placed beams for the bridge over Bluff Creek that will carry the northbound exit ramp to CR 144.
One of Bargersville's 9 Tesla police cars featured here.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 19, 2022, 10:10:41 PM
On the return trip from IND, I swung over from SR 67 to SR 37 via the backroads of south Indianapolis – Camby Road, Mann, Southport, etc. All along the stretch of SR 37 between Southport Road and State Road 144 was a beehive of construction activity. Earth moving, paving, bridge work, you name it, it was happening.

It was a typical Indiana summer day weatherwise. Sunny, warm, with a touch of haze in the sky. Not quite noon, the sun was high in the sky. Although strong sunlight is not ideal for good picture taking, I snapped off a few nonetheless.

Photos were taken Tuesday, July 29, 2022.

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Looking north with the telephoto lens from about a quarter mile north of the State Road 144 overpass. In the deep background is the Smith Valley Road construction zone, where an interchange will be built.  The southbound entrance ramp from Smith Valley Road is discernible, but not particularly sharp.

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Closer look.

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What the eye sees; looking north. On the left, a crew was placing dowel rod assemblies in preparation for another run of concrete paving.

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Instead of taking the assemblies one by one from the truck, the crew used the mounted mini crane to move a stack to the ground.

The harsh midday sunlight and heavy summer air made getting a tack sharp long range photo well nigh impossible, even using the tripod and remote shutter. I'm sure there are others who can do better – those who have better equipment and better skills. I knew it was going to be a challenge from the git-go. Perhaps later this summer, and when the sun's lower in the sky, I'll give it another shot.

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Looking south toward the State Road 144 overpass.

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Closer look. A concrete pour was underway for one of the bridge's superstructure columns, which appears to be some sort of design element to make the overpass, well, a little less ordinary.

Changing locations, here's a trio looking north from near SR 37/Banta Road intersection.

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Looking north toward the State Road 144 overpass. In the background are the towers of downtown Indianapolis, as well as the smokestacks of IPL's Harding Street Generation Station. Looking at Google Maps, it seems the downtown towers are roughly 15-17 miles north of where I was taking the photo – the SR 37/Banta Road intersection. The smoke stacks are a bit closer around 12-13 miles. Please bear in mind these are rough estimates.

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Closer look.

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Different perspective. In the foreground is the new pavement of the northbound lanes. Kind of wish a clear or semi-clear joint sealant was used instead of the black. The black filler give the road an aged appearance, which it definitely isn't.

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One more looking north toward the construction zone between SR 144 and Smith Valley Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 01, 2022, 07:07:23 PM

On Sunday, I took a jaunt to Morgan County for a look-see. Two hours total – half an hour up, half hour back, and about an hour for picture taking. The sun was low in the evening sky. After my first stop, however, I realized that I would lose the "light" once it dropped below the treeline, so I quickened my pace.

Construction is on the verge of wrapping up between Martinsville and State Road 144. Late this week or early next, the Teeters Road overpass, just north of Martinsville, will open, as will the recently completed connecting frontage road – the extension of Morgan Street. Work continues on the Myra Lane overpass and short adjoining road segments, but that should complete either late this month or early next. Once that finishes up, the temporary driveways for First United Methodist Church and Ozark Fisheries will be sealed off. After that, only minor tasks will remain, such as grinding rumble strips, installing guardrails, landscaping, and permanent striping.

This may be the final set of pictures for Morgan County. Photos were taken Sunday, July 31, 2022.

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The Teeters Road overpass; looking north. On the left is a sliver of the extension of Morgan Street, where a guardrail will be installed.

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Looking north from the Teeters Road overpass toward the Myra Lane overpass.

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Looking south from near the Myra Lane overpass. In the background is the Teeters Road overpass.

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Different perspective of the Teeters Road overpass; looking southeast.

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The Myra Lane overpass; looking slightly northeast. Although classes won't start for another three weeks, students are beginning to trickle back to Bloomington, as many apartment leases begin in August. For those who don't know, Bloomington is home to the main campus of Indiana University and its 50,000 students.

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The view looking southeast from the Teeters Road overpass. Wouldn't surprise me if someone moved the barrier to go across the overpass.

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Looking north from near the Teeters Road overpass. Although not officially open, the extension of Morgan Street proved too enticing for a handful of drivers. To be fair, there was a sign noting the road could be used to access the golf club, but I didn't see anyone enter or exit there.

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Another view looking south from the Myra Lane overpass.

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Rebar for the north sidewall of the Myra Lane ovepass, and adjoining falsework; looking east.

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Another look southeast from near the Teeters Road overpass. With the sun now behind the treeline, the light was rapidly giving way.

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And, again, looking south from the Myra Lane overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 02, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
A few more pictures. Again, the photos were taken Sunday, July 31, 2022.

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Looking slightly southeast from the Teeters Road overpass, located about a mile north of the I-69/SR 44 interchange in Martinsville.

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Teeters Road ovepass; looking east.

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Shifting a bit further north in Morgan County, the view looking north from the Egbert Road overpass. New signage is now up for the Henderson Ford Road interchange.

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Turing around, the view looking south from Egbert. To get your bearings, the Myra Lane overpass is about a quarter mile past the crest of the hill. In the left background is the temporary driveway for First United Methodist Church—Martinsville. Hmm ... seems we have a bit of tailgating. The construction zone speed limit is 45 mph, and some drivers try to stay close to it. Others, however, find it really irritating, and are bothered by anything below 60 mph, or even 65.

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And here's the Myra Lane overpass; looking east.

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Another shot looking north from the Egbert Road overpass. In the background, note the removal of the orange barrels on the northbound lanes. Between approximately this spot and the SR-CR 144 intersection, all four lanes are now in use, with the speed limit increased to 55 mph.

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Looking southeast from near the Myra Lane overpass toward the Ozark Fisheries facility. If you need to stock your pond with Koi or Goldfish, or whatever, I'm sure they'd been happy to help you out. Martinsville was once dubbed the Goldfish Capital of the world. Haven't heard this in recent years, so maybe it's not longer relevant or just not promoted.

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Another view of the Teeters Road overpass; looking southeast. With the opening of the Martinsville segment late last year, truck traffic appears to have ticked up.

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Again, looking north from the Egbert Road overpass. As it's Sunday, people are heading north, returning home from a weekend of recreational activity on the lakes of south-central Indiana, often Lake Monroe or Lake Lemon in Monroe County, or Patoka Lake further south, as well as several others.

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Looking south from the Myra Lane overpass. Since most of Indiana falls lies within the western portion of the Eastern Time Zone, summer evenings are long with the sun setting after 9:00pm for several weeks. A lot of people enjoy the delicious, long, lingering evenings. But they do produce a rather late start at the drive-in theaters. Yes, there's still a few around.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on August 16, 2022, 12:55:48 PM
I had the pleasure to drive through the I-69 construction zone this past weekend.

I thought about taking some pictures but ITB has that covered way better than myself.

I only went as far as Waverly from the I-465 circle.

With the advent of GPS based highway construction, you get unusually completed segments mixed with lots of temp pavements and lane shifts.

Unfortunately INDOT has closed a lot of intersections already south of Southport Road and this caught me a little off guard. In one case I had to go all the way down to IN-144 when I passed the traffic lights at Fairview Road and didn't know it was the last one for awhile.

They are doing a good job of converting Old IN-37 into a frontage road, with roundabouts at Smith Valley Road. But getting on it at IN-144 requires a detour and I was forced to u-turn to come back and take the detour route.

I didn't mind all the oversights honestly as I was mostly there for historical research and Google Maps was worthless in a construction zone.

The collection of dirt at I-465 for the future ramps is moving at a fast clip. IN-37 south of I-465 was nothing but a mass of gravel and aggregate trucks coming and going. Lots of loose gravel so watch your windshields.

The light at Southport was long and when I drove through there was a lot of traffic on Southport passing through, so this is going to become a busy exit, especially after they make the connection with Decatur Township.

As for that gravel pit "tunnel" under I-465, the materials firm has knocked out a gap out of their dirt wall on the north side of I-465 and it appears they are routing some vehicles through it as I saw a lot of tire tracks and they have installed night lighting for the tunnel. On an earlier post I had mentioned that it wasn't being used anymore, but it appears they have reactivated it for the project.

With I-70 closed near downtown, this has shifted a lot of traffic onto the south side of I-465 and the construction zone for I-69 does get backed up and you have to watch it when going east and crossing the White River, the slow down is at times abrupt and with little or no shoulders due to the construction it can get a hairy at times. But oddly when you get past IN-37 exit zone, the traffic clears out and gets back to normal fairly quickly. If I didn't know better I would say that the freight trucks are already starting their move to use the I-69 route.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 16, 2022, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 16, 2022, 12:55:48 PM
I had the pleasure to drive through the I-69 construction zone this past weekend.

I thought about taking some pictures but ITB has that covered way better than myself.

I only went as far as Waverly from the I-465 circle.

With the advent of GPS based highway construction, you get unusually completed segments mixed with lots of temp pavements and lane shifts.

Unfortunately INDOT has closed a lot of intersections already south of Southport Road and this caught me a little off guard. In one case I had to go all the way down to IN-144 when I passed the traffic lights at Fairview Road and didn't know it was the last one for awhile.

They are doing a good job of converting Old IN-37 into a frontage road, with roundabouts at Smith Valley Road. But getting on it at IN-144 requires a detour and I was forced to u-turn to come back and take the detour route.

I didn't mind all the oversights honestly as I was mostly there for historical research and Google Maps was worthless in a construction zone.

The collection of dirt at I-465 for the future ramps is moving at a fast clip. IN-37 south of I-465 was nothing but a mass of gravel and aggregate trucks coming and going. Lots of loose gravel so watch your windshields.

The light at Southport was long and when I drove through there was a lot of traffic on Southport passing through, so this is going to become a busy exit, especially after they make the connection with Decatur Township.

As for that gravel pit "tunnel" under I-465, the materials firm has knocked out a gap out of their dirt wall on the north side of I-465 and it appears they are routing some vehicles through it as I saw a lot of tire tracks and they have installed night lighting for the tunnel. On an earlier post I had mentioned that it wasn't being used anymore, but it appears they have reactivated it for the project.

With I-70 closed near downtown, this has shifted a lot of traffic onto the south side of I-465 and the construction zone for I-69 does get backed up and you have to watch it when going east and crossing the White River, the slow down is at times abrupt and with little or no shoulders due to the construction it can get a hairy at times. But oddly when you get past IN-37 exit zone, the traffic clears out and gets back to normal fairly quickly. If I didn't know better I would say that the freight trucks are already starting their move to use the I-69 route.

that tunnel is being used to move that dirt across 465, i saw a giant dump truck cross one day when i was stuck in traffic down there!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 24, 2022, 05:47:00 PM

"INDOT dedicates Myra Lane, Teeters Road overpasses above future I-69" (https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2022/08/17/indot-dedicates-myra-lane-overpass-over-future-i-69-corridor/65406675007/)

With the opening of these overpasses, construction is on the verge of wrapping up in Morgan County. A few tasks remain, such as grinding rumble strips, striping, and installing cable barrier. The temporary traffic signal at Banta Road, located near the Morgan/Johnson county line, most likely will remain until all the ramps of the SR 144 interchange open.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on August 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 24, 2022, 05:47:00 PM

"INDOT dedicates Myra Lane, Teeters Road overpasses above future I-69" (https://www.reporter-times.com/story/news/local/2022/08/17/indot-dedicates-myra-lane-overpass-over-future-i-69-corridor/65406675007/)

With the opening of these overpasses, construction is on the verge of wrapping up in Morgan County. A few tasks remain, such as grinding rumble strips, striping, and installing cable barrier. The temporary traffic signal at Banta Road, located near the Morgan/Johnson county line, most likely will remain until all the ramps of the SR 144 interchange open.
ITB, any thoughts on when they might get up to finishing the road up to the Wicker Road intersection?  That's my turn off to go in on Bluff Road (old 37) to downtown.  Basketball season is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on August 31, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
BGS for the County Line Exit are up heading SB from Southport Rd, and NB only at the actual off-ramp. Heck even the on-ramp signs from Co Line Rd have I-69 shields revealed and up.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 02, 2022, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on August 31, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
BGS for the County Line Exit are up heading SB from Southport Rd, and NB only at the actual off-ramp. Heck even the on-ramp signs from Co Line Rd have I-69 shields revealed and up.

As construction continues, I expect they are just going to erect the signs as they go along instead of waiting and going back after official approval.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on September 06, 2022, 07:09:01 PM
I am just curious. Has any mileage signs yet been installed NB from Evansville northward?

I am aware they are waiting for completion of SR 37 to I-495 to install Indianapolis as a control city, but how are they handling the mileage signs post exits.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on September 06, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 06, 2022, 07:09:01 PM
I am just curious. Has any mileage signs yet been installed NB from Evansville northward?

I am aware they are waiting for completion of SR 37 to I-495 to install Indianapolis as a control city, but how are they handling the mileage signs post exits.

Nope. They're handling it by just not posting any.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on September 06, 2022, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on September 06, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 06, 2022, 07:09:01 PM
I am just curious. Has any mileage signs yet been installed NB from Evansville northward?

I am aware they are waiting for completion of SR 37 to I-495 to install Indianapolis as a control city, but how are they handling the mileage signs post exits.

Nope. They're handling it by just not posting any.

They can't even fix the BGS that blow over in a timely fashion. NB just south of US 50 one has been laying in the tree line since about April.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on September 07, 2022, 04:42:18 AM
I believe in INDOT's plans for the next few years there is a contract (or two) out for updating signage along most of I-69 from Evansville north toward Martinsville. Sometime in 2023 or 2024. Presumably this would include putting up mileage signs along the way. I think they just want to do it all at once. Though I have no idea when exactly this contract would be let or when they'll do it, probably in 2024. Nonetheless the plans are there to do this.

I would hope that they could just redo all the signs, including the main BGSs along the stretch from Evansville north to US 231. The original signs put up along the first three sections have been shit and they blow over way too much compared to other signs along other interstates. It seems that from US 231 northward though those BGS (along Section 4 and points north) have been fine. So it seems that INDOT did a better job installing those than the first three sections which were done on the cheap. Daniels wanted a lot of I-69 done as quick as possible, he probably didn't care too much what would happen to the signs afterwards.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 07, 2022, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 07, 2022, 04:42:18 AM
I believe in INDOT's plans for the next few years there is a contract (or two) out for updating signage along most of I-69 from Evansville north toward Martinsville. Sometime in 2023 or 2024. Presumably this would include putting up mileage signs along the way. I think they just want to do it all at once. Though I have no idea when exactly this contract would be let or when they'll do it, probably in 2024. Nonetheless the plans are there to do this.

I would hope that they could just redo all the signs, including the main BGSs along the stretch from Evansville north to US 231. The original signs put up along the first three sections have been shit and they blow over way too much compared to other signs along other interstates. It seems that from US 231 northward though those BGS (along Section 4 and points north) have been fine. So it seems that INDOT did a better job installing those than the first three sections which were done on the cheap. Daniels wanted a lot of I-69 done as quick as possible, he probably didn't care too much what would happen to the signs afterwards.
It's important to remember that INDOT did everything they could to stretch the $700M they were given to build Sections 1 through 3. If they did it right, those three sections probably would have come in around $1 billion. But they managed to get it done with $700M by narrowing the median, using thinner pavement, and of course, cheap flimsy signs. While savings may have been realized up-front, the real cost to the taxpayers will be in the higher maintenance and sustainment costs associated with these sections. I would suspect in about 20 years they'll be down there completely reconstructing the pavement and subgrade after the roadway has reached its failure point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: thefarmerchris on September 07, 2022, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 07, 2022, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 07, 2022, 04:42:18 AM
I believe in INDOT's plans for the next few years there is a contract (or two) out for updating signage along most of I-69 from Evansville north toward Martinsville. Sometime in 2023 or 2024. Presumably this would include putting up mileage signs along the way. I think they just want to do it all at once. Though I have no idea when exactly this contract would be let or when they'll do it, probably in 2024. Nonetheless the plans are there to do this.

I would hope that they could just redo all the signs, including the main BGSs along the stretch from Evansville north to US 231. The original signs put up along the first three sections have been shit and they blow over way too much compared to other signs along other interstates. It seems that from US 231 northward though those BGS (along Section 4 and points north) have been fine. So it seems that INDOT did a better job installing those than the first three sections which were done on the cheap. Daniels wanted a lot of I-69 done as quick as possible, he probably didn't care too much what would happen to the signs afterwards.
It's important to remember that INDOT did everything they could to stretch the $700M they were given to build Sections 1 through 3. If they did it right, those three sections probably would have come in around $1 billion. But they managed to get it done with $700M by narrowing the median, using thinner pavement, and of course, cheap flimsy signs. While savings may have been realized up-front, the real cost to the taxpayers will be in the higher maintenance and sustainment costs associated with these sections. I would suspect in about 20 years they'll be down there completely reconstructing the pavement and subgrade after the roadway has reached its failure point.

That's the problem with INDOT let alone other DOTs in the county. Everything needs to be done on the cheap even when they know they will be re-doing it to standards in 20 years vs 50 years. They'll spend less money overall if they do it right the 1st time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on September 07, 2022, 04:48:17 PM
^ Didn't a segment of now I-795 / former US-117 in North Carolina have to be completely reconstructed within 5 years of the freeway opening?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on September 18, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum, this is just a start for me. Since my younger days, I always have follow the way Ind 37 has change to Bloomington. I was out of high school when 37 was rebuild to four lane where current I-69 took its place. Recently on my e-bike, I bike along the access road from County Line exit 160 to 144, watch how the highway is built. There is a temp ramp made at County line exit for NB to get off, but not back on. The new roundabout is completed, only waiting for the new NB lanes to be completed to Southport exit not yet completed. Yes, I-69 finally arrives in Marion county, I will be watching it as much as I can.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 18, 2022, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: RIndy on September 18, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum, this is just a start for me. Since my younger days, I always have follow the way Ind 37 has change to Bloomington. I was out of high school when 37 was rebuild to four lane where current I-69 took its place. Recently on my e-bike, I bike along the access road from County Line exit 160 to 144, watch how the highway is built. There is a temp ramp made at County line exit for NB to get off, but not back on. The new roundabout is completed, only waiting for the new NB lanes to be completed to Southport exit not yet completed. Yes, I-69 finally arrives in Marion county, I will be watching it as much as I can.

Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on September 18, 2022, 04:31:15 PM


Quote from: RIndy on September 18, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum, this is just a start for me. Since my younger days, I always have follow the way Ind 37 has change to Bloomington. I was out of high school when 37 was rebuild to four lane where current I-69 took its place. Recently on my e-bike, I bike along the access road from County Line exit 160 to 144, watch how the highway is built. There is a temp ramp made at County line exit for NB to get off, but not back on. The new roundabout is completed, only waiting for the new NB lanes to be completed to Southport exit not yet completed. Yes, I-69 finally arrives in Marion county, I will be watching it as much as I can.

Heh.  My family used to drive between Bloomington and Indianapolis frequently when I was a kid on IN 37.  Last time I took that trip was in 1981...

I'm looking forward to get back down there sometime to see how much has changed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 18, 2022, 04:34:38 PM
I remember taking IN-37 to Bloomington in 1977 to breakup with a girl.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on September 19, 2022, 01:37:52 AM
The first time I went on 37 back in the 60s when it was all two lane highway going through Martinsville to Bloomington. By 72, 37 becomes four lane from 465 to Bloomington. Fifty years later, its now becoming Interstate 69. What INDOT should do when they do decommission 37 from the interstate, they should named all of access roads some part of old 37, make it all 37. By the way, the old 37 was part of Dixie highway. Imagine that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on September 27, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Some traffic shifts onto new pavement coming on the I-69 project:

https://twitter.com/i69finishline/status/1574844076368674816?s=46&t=5ClSz6ojZ2DtH5ZyOQzClQ
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2022, 03:08:39 PM
Some of the StreetView along Interstate 69 both within and south of Martinsville has been updated this month. Most of the rest of the corridor, Martinsville included, still has images from May 2019.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 03, 2022, 03:36:27 PM

Picture update. Photos were taken Sunday, October 2, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the Southport Road overpass in Marion County. At this location, four bridges are being built over Little Buck Creek – two for the mainline, and two for the ramps to and from Southport Road. Three of the four have had their deck pours and are nearing completion. As construction progresses, traffic will be shifted to the new northbound mainline bridge to facilitate the construction of the southbound bridge.

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Different perspective showing the four bridges. The northbound mainline splits at this location, with the right lane using a section of the old northbound bridge.

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Bridge that will carry the southbound exit ramp to Southport Road; looking north. Plastic sheeting covers the recently poured concrete of the deck.

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Slip form paver attachment used to form the concrete parapet walls of a bridge. Using this type of equipment is now preferred, rather than constructing forms, which is time consuming. See how similar equipment is used here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFRdVUW7s6Q)

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Southport Road overpass; looking southeast.

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Close up of the falsework and bridge deck finisher on the southbound exit ramp bridge over Little Buck Creek.

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State Road 37/Southport Road intersection; looking south. Little bit of a squeeze there on the southbound lanes. If you're not paying attention, it's not hard to scrape that barrier wall.

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Another view looking north from the Southport Road overpass.

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Different look of the southbound exit ramp to Southport and the southbound lanes of SR 37; looking north.

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One more looking north from the Southport Road overpass.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 03, 2022, 03:43:16 PM
wow they may open this exit this year
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 03, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
More pictures. Again, photos were taken Sunday, October 2, 2022.

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Looking south from the Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange work zone. All traffic is currently running on the new, recently completed southbound lanes.

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Smith Valley Road overpass work zone; looking slightly northeast. Only the beams over the southbound lanes are in place, as work is just getting underway on the eastern abutment.

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Different perspective showing the partial beam construction of the Smith Valley Road overpass; looking southeast.

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The view looking north from the Smith Valley Road overpass work zone.

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Close up of the Smith Valley Road overpass beams; looking east. Note the bearings on which the beams sit. I don't know what alloys those bearings are made of, but I imagine at least part titanium.

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With the long range lens, looking south from the Smith Valley work zone. In the background is the SR 144 overpass.

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Looking down at State Road 37 from the western abutment of the Smith Valley Road overpass.

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State Road 37/Smith Valley Road intersection; looking northeast.

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Area of the future southbound exit ramp to Smith Valley Road; looking slightly northeast. The ramp could be located right here or more to the left. Without seeing the drawings, it's hard to say at this stage of construction.

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The southbound exit ramp at Smith Valley Road is supported by a extensive MSE (Mechanically Stabilized Earth) wall; looking north.

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Closer look of the MSE wall construction. As the backfill material (sand-like) is compressed, the stringers attached to the MSE panels tighten and tighten. Looks like the concrete blocks have been placed to help stabilize the backfill. On top of the wall forms have been constructed for a concrete pour. After that completes, precast concrete caps will be installed to complete the wall.

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Another look of the MSE wall construction at the Smith Valley Road work zone; looking north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 03, 2022, 11:12:09 PM
Few more. Photos were taken October 2, 2022.

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About a mile north of the SR 144 interchange, the area where the future southbound lanes will be situated; looking south.

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Turning around, the old median of State Road 37. The new southbound lanes will be constructed to the left.

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Piles of twisted rebar dug up during the ripping up and removal of the old southbound lanes of SR 37; looking north from about a mile north of the SR 144 interchange.

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Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange work zone; looking slightly northeast. Pictured are deck pans for the overpass (left); MSE wall caps (to the right of the deck pans); a couple MSE wall panels with embedded stringer connections (foreground). Don't see any bundles of stringers, and the stacks of fabricated folded metal sheets? Well, I'm not sure what they would be used for.

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The approach to the Southport Road overpass; looking slightly northeast.

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Here's the view from the other direction; looking west. The position of the sun was not advantageous.

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Another view looking north from the Southport Road overpass.

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And another of the southbound ramp bridge over Little Buck Creek just north of the Southport Road overpass; looking north.

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Smith Valley Road overpass beams, with deck pans in the foreground; looking northeast. These are very large beams that seemed bigger than typical beams. Maybe not, but they were big nonetheless.

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Another view looking north from the Smith Valley Road overpass work zone.

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Southport Road overpass; looking east. This is a very wide bridge, a massive slab of concrete. Taking a decent picture that depicts that wideness was challenging.

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One more looking north from the Southport Road overpass.

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Oh, one more; looking south from the Southport Road overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on October 04, 2022, 01:43:49 PM
Thanks ITB.  I'm going to be traveling up through there in about two and a half weeks.  We have had such a dry fall so far that I'm expecting them to be on if not ahead of schedule with all of the favorable weather.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 04, 2022, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 03, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
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Close up of the Smith Valley Road overpass beams; looking east. Note the bearings on which the beams sit. I don't know what alloys those bearings are made of, but I imagine at least part titanium.

I'm no expert, but my understanding is that titanium is not especially stronger than steel, but rather more lightweight than steel.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 04, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 04, 2022, 05:41:06 PM
I'm no expert, but my understanding is that titanium is not especially stronger than steel, but rather more lightweight than steel.

Did some poking around the internet to more fully understand the difference between steel and titanium (https://www.cnclathing.com/guide/titanium-vs-steel-whats-the-difference-titanium-and-steel-comparison-cnclathing), and what you note is correct. While titanium is equal to or stronger in strength than many grades of commercial steel, steel is harder. Titanium is more lightweight, but deforms more easily than steel. Due to its lightweight titanium is often used in the aerospace industry.

So, the bearings used in bridge construction are most likely a high-grade steel alloy, with no titanium. I, too, am not an expert, and have very limited knowledge of materials science, so if anyone knows, in fact, what bridge bearings are made of, please chime in.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on October 04, 2022, 10:15:23 PM
I went biking today along the access road west of the new highway between County Line Exit 158 and Smith Valley, I did notice something interesting but the picture I took isn't exactly good quality which I will try to improve. file:///media/roger/5461-0035/PHOTO/PHO00013.JPG and file:///media/roger/5461-0035/PHOTO/PHO00014.JPG
I took picture showing at Exit 158 South to Evansville, and the other picture North Indianapolis. This tells me Evansville and Indianapolis will be the control cities of I-69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MATraveler128 on October 04, 2022, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: RIndy on October 04, 2022, 10:15:23 PM
I went biking today along the access road west of the new highway between County Line Exit 158 and Smith Valley, I did notice something interesting but the picture I took isn't exactly good quality which I will try to improve. file:///media/roger/5461-0035/PHOTO/PHO00013.JPG and file:///media/roger/5461-0035/PHOTO/PHO00014.JPG
I took picture showing at Exit 158 South to Evansville, and the other picture North Indianapolis. This tells me Evansville and Indianapolis will be the control cities of I-69

The link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on October 04, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Sorry about my recent post. I don't know how to upload a picture..
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 04, 2022, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: RIndy on October 04, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Sorry about my recent post. I don't know how to upload a picture..


https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29125.0
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on October 06, 2022, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 04, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
So, the bearings used in bridge construction are most likely a high-grade steel alloy, with no titanium. I, too, am not an expert, and have very limited knowledge of materials science, so if anyone knows, in fact, what bridge bearings are made of, please chime in.
Here's a good intro to what bridge bearings are made of...for heavy duty applications "pot" bearings are often used consisting of stainless steel, rubber or rubber-like elastomer compounds, and brass seals. It is noted that, when confined, rubber is one of the most incompressible materials out there.
http://www.cosmecinc.com/Pot%20Bearings
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 06, 2022, 10:10:43 PM
So is this experimental construction or sound practice construction? 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 09, 2022, 09:58:47 AM
I drove through I-69 down to Martinsville yesterday and saw that it apparently is now four lanes all the way through Morgan County. For most of the year it had been down to one lane in each direction while they SLOWLY did touch up work to the lanes and bridges along the corridor. But it was smooth sailing south of Banta Road (Morgan County one) and the highway looked great.

It was cool seeing all the signage with Evansville as the control city for southbound and Indianapolis for northbound. I do like the consistent usage of Bloomington as a secondary control city on the mileage signs, definitely the way to go. I'm still not too hot on using Reuben Drive and Hospital Drive at the SR 44/252 interchange. I still think it should be SR 44 Franklin and SR 252 Morgantown.

As I may have eluded to on another thread, I hate the North Split construction project. Among the things I hate about it is that they really don't mention much about the actual progress of that project or are very good at letting people know exactly what's going on and what's left to go. Even now I can't really tell what else has to be done up there. But the I-69 Finish Line project is being handled very appropriately. You can tell exactly what's happening and what the current progress, everything is on track and the end result so far has been pretty good. I can't wait to see this finished in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 10, 2022, 03:00:51 PM

More pictures. Photos were take Sunday, October 9, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking north from the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. Not quite sure whether that's a lady truck driver in a bikini top or an illusion of some sort.

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The view in the other direction; looking south from the SR 144 overpass. Work is now well underway on the new southbound mainline bridge over Bluff Creek.

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The rebar cage of the south parapet wall of the SR 144 overpass; looking east. Inside the cage are the electrical conduits for the bridge's street lights as well as lighting for any signage that might be put up.

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Here's the conduit on the eastern end of the bridge; it's tagged "hot," as electrical current is flowing.

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With the long range lens, looking north from the SR 144 overpass. In the deep background is the partially built Smith Valley Road overpass, and beyond that, the Angel Animal Hospital structure. The distance from the SR 144 overpass to the animal hospital is roughly four miles. For a higher quality picture, a better lens is needed, the kind that cost $1500 to $3000. I'm not quite ready to go down that path yet, so for the time being I'm sticking with what I've got.

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Another look south from the SR 144 overpass. Just beyond the curve is the temporary traffic light at Banta Road. There's a Banta Road in Marion County and a Banta Road in Johnson County, and they both intersect with State Road 37. However, when I-69 completes, Johnson's Banta Road will be sealed off, while Banta in Marion County will go under I-69.

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Expansion joint between the approach slab and the SR 144 bridge; looking north.

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Equipment, perhaps GPS, on the parapet wall of the SR 144 overpass; looking north.

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The south abutment of the bridge that will carry the southbound on-ramp from SR 144 over Bluff Creek; looking southeast.

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Close up of the electrical conduit inside the rebar cage of the north parapet wall of the SR 144 bridge.

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Another look north from the SR overpass. In this vicinity, all traffic has been temporarily placed on the recently completed northbound roadway.

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Another look south. As more residential developments sprout up in southern Johnson County, AADT on I-69 is likely to bump up.

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The abutments of the southbound mainline bridge over Bluff Creek; looking slightly southeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on October 10, 2022, 09:28:54 PM
QuoteLooking north from the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. Not quite sure whether that's a lady truck driver in a bikini top or an illusion of some sort

I think it's a dude wearing an unfortunate skin-colored shirt with a teal stripe or patch across the chest.

Pixel 6

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 10, 2022, 11:47:08 PM

Quote from: Life in Paradise on October 04, 2022, 01:43:49 PM
Thanks ITB.  I'm going to be traveling up through there in about two and a half weeks.  We have had such a dry fall so far that I'm expecting them to be on if not ahead of schedule with all of the favorable weather.

Pleased to hear the pictures are of interest. And, to be sure, it's been quite dry weather wise the past couple of months. That's not all that good for agriculture, but great for road building.   

And speaking of agriculture, the fall harvest is now underway in Indiana. From what I understand it's going to decent year, about average, but not as good as 2021. Even though I've never had any association with farming, none whatsoever, I've been consuming some farm life videos on YouTube of late. Quite interesting. Modern farm machinery is something else. Here's a sampling of videos, all well worth a look:

Laura Farms





Millennial Farmer



Kate's Ag



Harmless Farmer


Sadly, Andy Detwiler, aka Harmless Farmer, passed away just a couple of weeks ago. His story is inspirational and moving.

Quote from: bmeiser on October 10, 2022, 09:28:54 PM
QuoteLooking north from the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. Not quite sure whether that's a lady truck driver in a bikini top or an illusion of some sort

I think it's a dude wearing an unfortunate skin-colored shirt with a teal stripe or patch across the chest.

More likely than not, that's probably correct.

More photos coming up.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 11, 2022, 12:13:05 AM

Another batch. Again, photos were taken Sunday, October 9, 2022.

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Northbound mainline bridge over Banta Road in Marion County; looking northeast.

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Looking east toward Wicker Road and the mainline bridges over Wicker. In the foreground, a stack of storm drains.

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Near the mainline bridges over Wicker.

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Looking southeast from Wicker Road toward the southbound mainline bridge over Pleasant Run Creek.

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Mainline bridges over Wicker; looking east.

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Belmont Road/Banta Road intersection in Marion County; looking north. Banta Road is about a 1/2 mile north of Southport Road. The northbound mainline bridge over Banta, pictured above and below, is to the right, just out of view.

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Another view of the northbound mainline bridge over Banta; looking northeast.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 11, 2022, 02:11:15 AM


And one more batch. Photos were taken Sunday, October 9, 2022.

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Piles for the bridge that will carry Epler Ave. over Interstate 69 in southern Marion County; looking east. After being pounded into the ground, these pipe piles are filled with concrete. I'm not sure whether any rebar has been placed in the these piles prior to their concrete pours. Some of the piles, which were recently filled, have been capped with plastic sheeting to ensure proper curing. In regard to the very tall piles in the background, I haven't seen driven piles that tall before. Evidently, they hit bedrock not too deep below the surface. Bear in mind, this is an area with numerous quarries. Those tall piles will be cut to the appropriate height.

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Closer look of the pile driving rigging.

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The area site where the I-69/I-465 system interchange will be constructed; looking northwest from Epler Avenue. At this time, it's hard to determine to any specificity where I-69 will be located, but in a general sense, it's coming in from the right and heading in a northwest direction right through that mound area on the right. Semis in the background are trucking on I-465.

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Looking east toward Epler Ave., with the piles the Epler overpass in the background.

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Another perspective of the Epler overpass piles; looking southeast.

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Entrance off Epler Ave. to the I-465 work zone; looking northeast. I-69, roughly, will be cutting through from right to left, mid-frame, going behind the trees on the left. The downtown towers of Indianapolis are in the background.

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Another view Epler Ave. leading up the overpass work zone; looking east. This is a quiet, somewhat isolated area of Indianapolis. Although there's a modest-sized neighborhood of older homes on large lots to the west, this particular area was quiet – at least it was on Sunday – with a touch of ruralness. More toward the east, near State Road 37, it becomes more industrial in nature, with truck stops and other various light industrial businesses.

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Again, the piles of the Epler overpass, with a trucking facility in the background; looking east.

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One more of the crane and the pile driving rigging at Epler; looking east.

That's all for now. When pile driving begins at the I-465 work zone, I'll venture into that area again. From what I could see nothing much, visual-wise, has changed over the past several months. Of course, work is ongoing, but it mainly involves utility relocation, drainage infrastructure, and some earthwork. A recent visual of the work area can be viewed via GSV on westbound I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on October 11, 2022, 01:22:28 PM
I noticed the mileage signs to Evansville actually increased between the first two coming out of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 11, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
ITB shared:

Another view Epler Ave. leading up the overpass work zone; looking east. This is a quiet, somewhat isolated area of Indianapolis. Although there's a modest-sized neighborhood of older homes on large lots to the west, this particular area was quiet – at least it was on Sunday – with a touch of ruralness. More toward the east, near State Road 37, it becomes more industrial in nature, with truck stops and other various light industrial businesses.

That neighborhood is called "Sunshine Gardens" and was the original Fletcher Farm until it was subdivided in the 1920's.

The lots promised "a home and two acres".

The brief history of this neighborhood can be located here:

https://www.class900indy.com/post/an-island-in-the-sun-the-sunshine-gardens-neighborhood-of-indianapolis (https://www.class900indy.com/post/an-island-in-the-sun-the-sunshine-gardens-neighborhood-of-indianapolis)

However, the encroachment of industry and population is beginning to have an impact on them, new roads, polluted wells and nearly surrounded by gravel pits.

https://nuvo.newsnirvana.com/news/how-indys-coal-ash-ponds-can-pollute-neighborhood-wells/article_4c2ffdfa-e36f-5fe6-89ec-dec1e3b2b233.html (https://nuvo.newsnirvana.com/news/how-indys-coal-ash-ponds-can-pollute-neighborhood-wells/article_4c2ffdfa-e36f-5fe6-89ec-dec1e3b2b233.html)

The original Fletcher Farm silos still stand at Newhart & Concord Streets.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 12, 2022, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 11, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
ITB shared:

Another view Epler Ave. leading up the overpass work zone; looking east. This is a quiet, somewhat isolated area of Indianapolis. Although there's a modest-sized neighborhood of older homes on large lots to the west, this particular area was quiet – at least it was on Sunday – with a touch of ruralness. More toward the east, near State Road 37, it becomes more industrial in nature, with truck stops and other various light industrial businesses.

That neighborhood is called "Sunshine Gardens" and was the original Fletcher Farm until it was subdivided in the 1920's.

The lots promised "a home and two acres".

The brief history of this neighborhood can be located here:

https://www.class900indy.com/post/an-island-in-the-sun-the-sunshine-gardens-neighborhood-of-indianapolis (https://www.class900indy.com/post/an-island-in-the-sun-the-sunshine-gardens-neighborhood-of-indianapolis)

However, the encroachment of industry and population is beginning to have an impact on them, new roads, polluted wells and nearly surrounded by gravel pits.

https://nuvo.newsnirvana.com/news/how-indys-coal-ash-ponds-can-pollute-neighborhood-wells/article_4c2ffdfa-e36f-5fe6-89ec-dec1e3b2b233.html (https://nuvo.newsnirvana.com/news/how-indys-coal-ash-ponds-can-pollute-neighborhood-wells/article_4c2ffdfa-e36f-5fe6-89ec-dec1e3b2b233.html)

The original Fletcher Farm silos still stand at Newhart & Concord Streets.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 14, 2022, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 11, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
ITB shared:

Another view Epler Ave. leading up the overpass work zone; looking east. This is a quiet, somewhat isolated area of Indianapolis. Although there's a modest-sized neighborhood of older homes on large lots to the west, this particular area was quiet – at least it was on Sunday – with a touch of ruralness. More toward the east, near State Road 37, it becomes more industrial in nature, with truck stops and other various light industrial businesses.

That neighborhood is called "Sunshine Gardens" and was the original Fletcher Farm until it was subdivided in the 1920's.

The lots promised "a home and two acres".

The brief history of this neighborhood can be located here:

https://www.class900indy.com/post/an-island-in-the-sun-the-sunshine-gardens-neighborhood-of-indianapolis (https://www.class900indy.com/post/an-island-in-the-sun-the-sunshine-gardens-neighborhood-of-indianapolis)

However, the encroachment of industry and population is beginning to have an impact on them, new roads, polluted wells and nearly surrounded by gravel pits.

https://nuvo.newsnirvana.com/news/how-indys-coal-ash-ponds-can-pollute-neighborhood-wells/article_4c2ffdfa-e36f-5fe6-89ec-dec1e3b2b233.html (https://nuvo.newsnirvana.com/news/how-indys-coal-ash-ponds-can-pollute-neighborhood-wells/article_4c2ffdfa-e36f-5fe6-89ec-dec1e3b2b233.html)

The original Fletcher Farm silos still stand at Newhart & Concord Streets.

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It would not be good to have those big solos in your side yard
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on October 21, 2022, 05:33:12 PM
https://twitter.com/thebiggreenw/status/1583528129527975936

Includes a nice overhead photo of I-465 interchange area...

Editing to add: can anybody identify this intersection? From the 2 SWR basins, it seems like I-69/IN-37 crossing under W. Southport Road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on October 21, 2022, 06:49:06 PM
Huh, it is almost like if you use a professional construction company, like Walsh, projects move and get done.

When you do that, whatever the Bloomington segment situation was called, you end up with delays, problems, and blah, until InDOT killed it and basically put Walsh in charge to finish that
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 28, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
I was wondering about the northbound exit to County Line Road. None of the plans I have looked at talk about it and currently you have to go the traffic light at Fairview to access County Line Road. Do any of you know if there will be a northbound exit to County Line Road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on October 28, 2022, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 28, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
I was wondering about the northbound exit to County Line Road. None of the plans I have looked at talk about it and currently you have to go the traffic light at Fairview to access County Line Road. Do any of you know if there will be a northbound exit to County Line Road?

Google maps shows a dog bone interchange, including greyed in ramps. GSV from a month ago shows most ramps built.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 28, 2022, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on October 28, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
I was wondering about the northbound exit to County Line Road. None of the plans I have looked at talk about it and currently you have to go the traffic light at Fairview to access County Line Road. Do any of you know if there will be a northbound exit to County Line Road?

There definitely will be a northbound exit to County Line Road. In fact, I believe it's open now. The ramp is slightly atypical, as, northbound, you cross over County Line Road, then swing around to intersect with a traffic circle.

To see the schematic of the interchange, check out the map section (corridor highlights) of I-69 Finish Line. (https://i69finishline.com/maps/)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on October 28, 2022, 11:53:52 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on October 28, 2022, 12:12:15 PM
It will be great when completed. Evansville and Indy will have a direct freeway and I-69 will be from the Ohio River to the Canadian Border.

I doubt anytime soon we'll, see a Memphis to Canada interstate, but possibly a Union City, TN to Port Huron continuous interstate in about five years..
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on October 28, 2022, 02:29:41 PM
I just drove north along SR 37 from Bloomington all the way to I-465. As for County Line Rd, the turn off for the exit is just north of the Fairview intersection. It looks open, it appears that the ramp goes along the still-under construction portion of the northbound lanes of I-69 up to the County Line Rd exit itself.

Interestingly, just north of the exit I saw a new mileage sign. It gives the distances to Southport at 2 miles and Indianapolis at 5 miles. Well, let's start with the first destination. Southport "Road" is 2 miles away from this point. The actual city of Southport is like another three miles to the east. Secondly, Downtown Indianapolis is definitely not five miles away, I-465 more or less is.

Also, there was another new sign I noticed just north of Smith Valley Road. I have no idea why it says this but the sign read "Tribute of Honey Creek." Tributary I imagine?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on October 29, 2022, 01:02:38 AM
QuoteSecondly, Downtown Indianapolis is definitely not five miles away, I-465 more or less is.

Not to mention, the city limits are at county line road.

Pixel 6

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: pianocello on October 29, 2022, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2022, 12:12:15 PM
It will be great when completed. Evansville and Indy will have a direct freeway and I-69 will be from the Ohio River to the Canadian Border.

I doubt anytime soon we'll, see a Memphis to Canada interstate, but possibly a Union City, TN to Port Huron continuous interstate in about five years..

It'll be closer to ten. I believe the new Ohio River bridge is almost fully funded, but we're still waiting on design and construction. But it's a definite thing at this point.

I'm just excited for the stretch south of Indianapolis to be done so I can drive to Chicago without going through Terre Haute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 29, 2022, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 29, 2022, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2022, 12:12:15 PM
It will be great when completed. Evansville and Indy will have a direct freeway and I-69 will be from the Ohio River to the Canadian Border.

I doubt anytime soon we'll, see a Memphis to Canada interstate, but possibly a Union City, TN to Port Huron continuous interstate in about five years..

It'll be closer to ten. I believe the new Ohio River bridge is almost fully funded, but we're still waiting on design and construction. But it's a definite thing at this point.

I'm just excited for the stretch south of Indianapolis to be done so I can drive to Chicago without going through Terre Haute.

Then upgrade US 41 in Indiana to become 'I-41'.    :poke:

<DUCKS! and RUNS!>

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on October 29, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 29, 2022, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2022, 12:12:15 PM
It will be great when completed. Evansville and Indy will have a direct freeway and I-69 will be from the Ohio River to the Canadian Border.

I doubt anytime soon we'll, see a Memphis to Canada interstate, but possibly a Union City, TN to Port Huron continuous interstate in about five years..

It'll be closer to ten. I believe the new Ohio River bridge is almost fully funded, but we're still waiting on design and construction. But it's a definite thing at this point.

I'm just excited for the stretch south of Indianapolis to be done so I can drive to Chicago without going through Terre Haute.

Finally, the new Terre Haute East Bypass, I-65 out of Chicago, to Indy, then I-69 to Evansville, will be complete. World's Longest at 354 miles.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 29, 2022, 07:18:11 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on October 29, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 29, 2022, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2022, 12:12:15 PM
It will be great when completed. Evansville and Indy will have a direct freeway and I-69 will be from the Ohio River to the Canadian Border.

I doubt anytime soon we'll, see a Memphis to Canada interstate, but possibly a Union City, TN to Port Huron continuous interstate in about five years..

It'll be closer to ten. I believe the new Ohio River bridge is almost fully funded, but we're still waiting on design and construction. But it's a definite thing at this point.

I'm just excited for the stretch south of Indianapolis to be done so I can drive to Chicago without going through Terre Haute.

Finally, the new Terre Haute East Bypass, I-65 out of Chicago, to Indy, then I-69 to Evansville, will be complete. World's Longest!

I get how much of a pain driving through Terre Haute is, but the truck traffic on I-65 from Indy to Gary and I-80/94 from Gary to Hammond is very thick. I'm not sure I'd add all those miles to my trip just to avoid Terre Haute.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

SM-G996U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on October 29, 2022, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

SM-G996U
Those KY Parkways were built as Toll Roads, fwiw

I don't know if a Toll US 41/I-41 freeway along the western IN border would get enough (freight) traffic to make it profitable. A decent amount of the Chicago-Nashville passenger market will have business in Indy or Louisville, making the 65 routing more valuable

That route's potential value is it bypasses Indy and Louisville and is more direct, but the fact that it does will lower traffic counts, which doesn't help a Toll Road
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on October 29, 2022, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

If there was not already a 4-lane highway from Gary all the way to Evansville, a toll-road *might* have merit. But there's simply not that much through traffic on US-41 to begin with, and with the existing 4-lane road there there little traffic left to support a toll road.

It would've been nice if US-41/IN-63 was fully limited access and didn't have stoplights and such, but over most of its length the traffic counts simply don't justify it. InDOT concentrating on uncorking US-30 and US-31 is the right move. Outside of Terra Haute and Evansville, there's few places on US-41 that would qualify as congested.

I think InDOT would do well to enact a policy with US-41 of eliminating stoplights and removing side road and driveway access when the opportunities arise. Posting a 65 mph speed limit outside of urban areas would also be helpful. But there's not that much US-41 honestly needs.

A Terre Haute bypass would also be helpful, though InDOT appears to not have put much thought into the idea, allowing the logical corridor along US-41/Hwy 46 north of I-70 to devolve into a commercial blob. Given the option, however, I'm fine with batting traffc through Terre Haute v.s. fighting it along I-465 around Indy.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on October 29, 2022, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 29, 2022, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

If there was not already a 4-lane highway from Gary all the way to Evansville, a toll-road *might* have merit. But there's simply not that much through traffic on US-41 to begin with, and with the existing 4-lane road there there little traffic left to support a toll road.

It would've been nice if US-41/IN-63 was fully limited access and didn't have stoplights and such, but over most of its length the traffic counts simply don't justify it. InDOT concentrating on uncorking US-30 and US-31 is the right move. Outside of Terra Haute and Evansville, there's few places on US-41 that would qualify as congested.

I think InDOT would do well to enact a policy with US-41 of eliminating stoplights and removing side road and driveway access when the opportunities arise. Posting a 65 mph speed limit outside of urban areas would also be helpful. But there's not that much US-41 honestly needs.

A Terre Haute bypass would also be helpful, though InDOT appears to not have put much thought into the idea, allowing the logical corridor along US-41/Hwy 46 north of I-70 to devolve into a commercial blob. Given the option, however, I'm fine with batting traffc through Terre Haute v.s. fighting it along I-465 around Indy.

Having driven both ends of US-41, I guess I can weigh in here.

I don't think that a stoplight removal campaign from stem to stern will drive the further use of the corridor.

The 4 lane job that US-41 has today was driven mostly by the fact that the ROW had really, really bad geometry and routing and required much more stop lights that it has today.

In the pre-interstate era, US-41 carried a significant load of CHI-IND traffic up to the US-52 split.

IN-63 was built due to a large level of resistance of road expansion from Attica south and the desire to use a more regular geography on the west side of the Wabash as compared to the east side.

Again in pre-Interstate days, US-41 from Terre Haute to Evansville was considered the best way for Evansville traffic to reach Indy.

I remember what it was like to drive through Emison, Busseron, the relief of finally reaching Sullivan north of Vincennes in the late 1960's. If one truck was in front of you, you were stuck. Such was life before the 4 lane came along.

Reaching Sullivan was like this huge relief.

Today?

I don't disagree that INDOT didn't give large amount of thought to a Terre Haute bypass. The Honey Creek district south of TH has exploded to the point INDOT had to find a way to get trucks on and off from I-70, hence that new stub that opened just a few years ago.

But none of the traffic planners then or today saw that there would be a large amount of traffic coming up or down US-41 that would have been classified as "pass through".

The interstate system went coming and going out of Chicago, simply went SE (I-65) to Indy or SW (I-55 and I-57) to Memphis and St Louis.

Terre Haute was just never considered a key point in north-south traffic flows. It was either a destination or a originator, but not part of a greater system to reach Chicago from the south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: pianocello on October 30, 2022, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on October 29, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
Finally, the new Terre Haute East Bypass, I-65 out of Chicago, to Indy, then I-69 to Evansville, will be complete. World's Longest at 354 miles.

I mean, you joke, but going from a random point on US 41 south of Evansville to the Bishop Ford Freeway in Chicago, the time would be comparable if I can average 73 mph on I-69 and I-65. That's a big "if" though.

And honestly, US 41/SR 63 is a perfectly good road, if not for the dozens of stoplights and the 60 mph speed limit.

I have a feeling I'll be going between Evansville and Chicago at least twice a year for the foreseeable future, so I'll have enough chances to play around with the routings and develop a preference. And I haven't used I-65 enough to be annoyed with its heavy truck traffic. Yet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on October 30, 2022, 08:53:51 PM
Google Maps gives me:

- 5:06 from downtown Chicago to downtown Evansville via I-94 -> IL-394 -> US-30 -> US-41 -> IN-63 -> US-41

- 5:23 for I-57 -> IL-121 -> IL-33 -> IL-130 -> IL-1 -> I-64 -> IN-65 -> IN-66

- 5:27 for I-90 -> I-65 -> I-465 -> IN-67 -> IN-39 -> I-69

It'll be interesting to see how much time comes off once the I-69/I-465 interchange is open and remaining I-69 construction is completed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on October 30, 2022, 10:35:09 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 29, 2022, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 29, 2022, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

If there was not already a 4-lane highway from Gary all the way to Evansville, a toll-road *might* have merit. But there's simply not that much through traffic on US-41 to begin with, and with the existing 4-lane road there there little traffic left to support a toll road.

It would've been nice if US-41/IN-63 was fully limited access and didn't have stoplights and such, but over most of its length the traffic counts simply don't justify it. InDOT concentrating on uncorking US-30 and US-31 is the right move. Outside of Terra Haute and Evansville, there's few places on US-41 that would qualify as congested.

I think InDOT would do well to enact a policy with US-41 of eliminating stoplights and removing side road and driveway access when the opportunities arise. Posting a 65 mph speed limit outside of urban areas would also be helpful. But there's not that much US-41 honestly needs.

A Terre Haute bypass would also be helpful, though InDOT appears to not have put much thought into the idea, allowing the logical corridor along US-41/Hwy 46 north of I-70 to devolve into a commercial blob. Given the option, however, I'm fine with batting traffc through Terre Haute v.s. fighting it along I-465 around Indy.

Having driven both ends of US-41, I guess I can weigh in here.

I don't think that a stoplight removal campaign from stem to stern will drive the further use of the corridor.

The 4 lane job that US-41 has today was driven mostly by the fact that the ROW had really, really bad geometry and routing and required much more stop lights that it has today.

In the pre-interstate era, US-41 carried a significant load of CHI-IND traffic up to the US-52 split.

IN-63 was built due to a large level of resistance of road expansion from Attica south and the desire to use a more regular geography on the west side of the Wabash as compared to the east side.

Again in pre-Interstate days, US-41 from Terre Haute to Evansville was considered the best way for Evansville traffic to reach Indy.

I remember what it was like to drive through Emison, Busseron, the relief of finally reaching Sullivan north of Vincennes in the late 1960's. If one truck was in front of you, you were stuck. Such was life before the 4 lane came along.

Reaching Sullivan was like this huge relief.

Today?

I don't disagree that INDOT didn't give large amount of thought to a Terre Haute bypass. The Honey Creek district south of TH has exploded to the point INDOT had to find a way to get trucks on and off from I-70, hence that new stub that opened just a few years ago.

But none of the traffic planners then or today saw that there would be a large amount of traffic coming up or down US-41 that would have been classified as "pass through".

The interstate system went coming and going out of Chicago, simply went SE (I-65) to Indy or SW (I-55 and I-57) to Memphis and St Louis.

Terre Haute was just never considered a key point in north-south traffic flows. It was either a destination or a originator, but not part of a greater system to reach Chicago from the south.
Since we talking about US 41, located on the western edge of Indiana, US 41 starts at its northern point in Copper Harbor in Upper Peninsula of Michigan, 41 crosses 31 to the east in Nashville TN goes all the way to Miami ends on US 1. Is US 41 the second or third longest North and south US highways.
Back in the 70's, 1972 to be exact, while attending Vincennes University, US 41 one time was two lane and one of the most dangerous part south of Terre Haute, south of the TV towers, high accidents happens in this stretch of highway before INDOT made it into all four lane from Terre Haute to Evansville. I-69 ends on US 41 north of Ohio river bridges. Again US 41 with its twin bridges over the Ohio River. This stretch of US 41 connects Indiana I-69 and Kentucky I-69.
One more thing I wanted to add connecting with US 41, again when I went to Vincennes University, one time IN 57 started on US 41 in Evansville, ends on IN67, IN 67 starts in Vincennes crossed US 41 goes all the way to I-465. There was, still is IN 57 and IN 67 connecting Indianapolis and Evansville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

SM-G996U



Really all you need is a Terre Haute bypass and a connector between US 41 and IL 394 somewhere between St John and Cedar Lake. The rest flows pretty well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tosa on October 31, 2022, 08:36:59 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

SM-G996U



Really all you need is a Terre Haute bypass and a connector between US 41 and IL 394 somewhere between St John and Cedar Lake. The rest flows pretty well.

The Illiana Corridor would be the answer if it was built.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 31, 2022, 08:58:57 AM
I remember seeing a drawing on an INDOT site I think  :hmmm: It had a map of Terre Haute showing 641 and it had this red line going from 40/46 going north and curling over to 63 as a future bypass. maybe they are thinking of it I have no idea. this was years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: tosa on October 31, 2022, 08:36:59 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

SM-G996U



Really all you need is a Terre Haute bypass and a connector between US 41 and IL 394 somewhere between St John and Cedar Lake. The rest flows pretty well.

The Illiana Corridor would be the answer if it was built.


If the entire Iliana doesn't get built, at least build a connector between 394 and 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 31, 2022, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 30, 2022, 08:53:51 PM
Google Maps gives me:

- 5:06 from downtown Chicago to downtown Evansville via I-94 -> IL-394 -> US-30 -> US-41 -> IN-63 -> US-41

- 5:23 for I-57 -> IL-121 -> IL-33 -> IL-130 -> IL-1 -> I-64 -> IN-65 -> IN-66

- 5:27 for I-90 -> I-65 -> I-465 -> IN-67 -> IN-39 -> I-69

It'll be interesting to see how much time comes off once the I-69/I-465 interchange is open and remaining I-69 construction is completed.


Once you get out of the Chicago suburbs, US-41/IN-63 is such an easy drive to Terre Haute though. Slow speed limit sure, but hardly any traffic compared to the alternatives. It's a little busier between TH and Evansville, but if it ends up even close, I would take that in a heartbeat over I-65.

And they aren't going to build a TH bypass. I just don't think there is enough thru traffic to justify it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 31, 2022, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 30, 2022, 08:53:51 PM
Google Maps gives me:

- 5:06 from downtown Chicago to downtown Evansville via I-94 -> IL-394 -> US-30 -> US-41 -> IN-63 -> US-41

- 5:23 for I-57 -> IL-121 -> IL-33 -> IL-130 -> IL-1 -> I-64 -> IN-65 -> IN-66

- 5:27 for I-90 -> I-65 -> I-465 -> IN-67 -> IN-39 -> I-69

It'll be interesting to see how much time comes off once the I-69/I-465 interchange is open and remaining I-69 construction is completed.


Once you get out of the Chicago suburbs, US-41/IN-63 is such an easy drive to Terre Haute though. Slow speed limit sure, but hardly any traffic compared to the alternatives. It's a little busier between TH and Evansville, but if it ends up even close, I would take that in a heartbeat over I-65.

And they aren't going to build a TH bypass. I just don't think there is enough thru traffic to justify it.

Speed limit is 60 from just past Cedar Lake all the way down to the edge of TH with the exception of a small segment near I-74. I've only ever seen speeding patrols in Newton County though. Never anywhere else.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 31, 2022, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: tosa on October 31, 2022, 08:36:59 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
Quote from: ibthebigd on October 29, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
To bad it would be to expensive to build a Kentucky style Parkway from Evansville to Northern Indiana

SM-G996U



Really all you need is a Terre Haute bypass and a connector between US 41 and IL 394 somewhere between St John and Cedar Lake. The rest flows pretty well.

The Illiana Corridor would be the answer if it was built.


If the entire Iliana doesn't get built, at least build a connector between 394 and 41.

i'd say 65 not 41.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on October 31, 2022, 01:01:07 PM
Also a SE to NW crossover between I-69 at its first major curve north of I-64 and US 41 near or just north of Fort Branch, IN.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on October 31, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 31, 2022, 01:01:07 PM
Also a SE to NW crossover between I-69 at its first major curve north of I-64 and US 41 near or just north of Fort Branch, IN.

Mike
A lot of people like me take the IN-68 exit (no 23) over to US41 and then go north.  I do know a lot of people that live in the Evansville/Newburgh IN area that take that exit or will go a little further out of their way to the IN-168 exit north of there to go to the Toyota manufacturing plant.  The latter will get them into the back entrance easily.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hobsini2 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
When my brother lived south of Nashville and I was making that trip from Chicagoland a couple times a year, If I was in a hurry, I always took I-57 to I-24. If I had time, I liked using US 41/IN 63/Audbon Pkwy/I-165/I-65. I once did I-65 and once did I-69/IN 37/I-65. Not a fan.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 01, 2022, 07:25:17 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
When my brother lived south of Nashville and I was making that trip from Chicagoland a couple times a year, If I was in a hurry, I always took I-57 to I-24. If I had time, I liked using US 41/IN 63/Audbon Pkwy/I-165/I-65. I once did I-65 and once did I-69/IN 37/I-65. Not a fan.

Last time we went to Nashville we did US 41/IN 63/US 41/I-69/I-169/I-24. Much, much less traffic than using I-65.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on November 01, 2022, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 01, 2022, 07:25:17 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
When my brother lived south of Nashville and I was making that trip from Chicagoland a couple times a year, If I was in a hurry, I always took I-57 to I-24. If I had time, I liked using US 41/IN 63/Audbon Pkwy/I-165/I-65. I once did I-65 and once did I-69/IN 37/I-65. Not a fan.

Last time we went to Nashville we did US 41/IN 63/US 41/I-69/I-169/I-24. Much, much less traffic than using I-65.

I really enjoy the stretch of Indiana 63 from north of Terre Haute to Crown Point - there's almost no traffic as you mentioned, and for about 90 miles north of TH, the terrain is hilly and forested in many parts - a relief from the flatness of the Kankakee Swamp.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on November 04, 2022, 12:14:02 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on October 28, 2022, 02:29:41 PM
I just drove north along SR 37 from Bloomington all the way to I-465. As for County Line Rd, the turn off for the exit is just north of the Fairview intersection. It looks open, it appears that the ramp goes along the still-under construction portion of the northbound lanes of I-69 up to the County Line Rd exit itself.

Interestingly, just north of the exit I saw a new mileage sign. It gives the distances to Southport at 2 miles and Indianapolis at 5 miles. Well, let's start with the first destination. Southport "Road" is 2 miles away from this point. The actual city of Southport is like another three miles to the east. Secondly, Downtown Indianapolis is definitely not five miles away, I-465 more or less is.

Also, there was another new sign I noticed just north of Smith Valley Road. I have no idea why it says this but the sign read "Tribute of Honey Creek." Tributary I imagine?
I went by there today, I didn't see that sign you talking about. The Honey creek does go under the high way from east and is connected to White River to the west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 07, 2022, 11:51:08 AM
Today's On Track Project Update states I-69 will be extended up to SR 144 when the SB on-ramp opens by the end of the year. The NB off-ramp is opening up today, and the Southport Road Bridge opens later this week.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 15, 2022, 01:43:24 PM
Southport Rd bridge is open - SB off-ramp has also opened to traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on November 15, 2022, 02:10:52 PM
Just in case it hasn't been mentioned earlier, there is quite a bit of recent Street View imagery, dated 9/2022, of the I-69 construction zone leading up to I-465. They even have some new exit ramps covered, such as the double roundabout design at County Line Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on November 18, 2022, 01:06:07 PM
INDOT has bid letting scheduled for Jan 19, 2023 for signing along 69 from "Ohio River-Vanderburgh Co to 4M N of Monroe-Morgan Co line: new interstate signing."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 18, 2022, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 18, 2022, 01:06:07 PM
INDOT has bid letting scheduled for Jan 19, 2023 for signing along 69 from "Ohio River-Vanderburgh Co to 4M N of Monroe-Morgan Co line: new interstate signing."
I hope this is adding the "Indianapolis"  Control (or maybe Bloomington but INDOT isn't huge on Secondary Controls) in addition to Destination/Distance signage

I'd say even overdue to add the NB Indy Control. Better Late than Never
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on November 19, 2022, 12:04:40 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 18, 2022, 01:06:07 PM
INDOT has bid letting scheduled for Jan 19, 2023 for signing along 69 from "Ohio River-Vanderburgh Co to 4M N of Monroe-Morgan Co line: new interstate signing."
Finally getting consistent mille markers?

Pixel 6

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: pianocello on November 19, 2022, 09:26:54 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on November 19, 2022, 12:04:40 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on November 18, 2022, 01:06:07 PM
INDOT has bid letting scheduled for Jan 19, 2023 for signing along 69 from "Ohio River-Vanderburgh Co to 4M N of Monroe-Morgan Co line: new interstate signing."
Finally getting consistent mille markers?

Pixel 6



What's wrong with the mile markers? They should be accurate in that stretch, or at least close enough for when the zero point changes from US 41 to the new Ohio River bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 19, 2022, 05:42:11 PM
The only mile markers that should be changed are those along Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville. I hate seeing the wierd blue mile markers for the mile itself and the white-on-green mile markers for the half miles. Either make them all white-on-green like the rest of I-69 to the south or make them the correct white-on-blue design you see from Martinsville northward.

I'm assuming this update on signage will add Indianapolis for the northbound control city from Evansville up to Bloomington. The signs at the interchanges are already the right size to put the city name on them with no problem. Evansville should also be added on some of the former I-164 signs south of I-64. I will be curious if they decide to add any controls south of Evansville. If any I would guess Henderson.

Other things I hope to see are obviously mileage signs, signs for roads/waterways and proper county line signs. Not the enter county/leave county design we currently see on I-69 south of Bloomington. Those signs are fine on two-lane highways but not an interstate. Section 6 has been built with the correct signage throughout, hopefully this signage bid includes updating I-69 to match that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on November 19, 2022, 06:43:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 19, 2022, 05:42:11 PM
The only mile markers that should be changed are those along Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville. I hate seeing the wierd blue mile markers for the mile itself and the white-on-green mile markers for the half miles. Either make them all white-on-green like the rest of I-69 to the south or make them the correct white-on-blue design you see from Martinsville northward.

I'm assuming this update on signage will add Indianapolis for the northbound control city from Evansville up to Bloomington. The signs at the interchanges are already the right size to put the city name on them with no problem. Evansville should also be added on some of the former I-164 signs south of I-64. I will be curious if they decide to add any controls south of Evansville. If any I would guess Henderson.

Other things I hope to see are obviously mileage signs, signs for roads/waterways and proper county line signs. Not the enter county/leave county design we currently see on I-69 south of Bloomington. Those signs are fine on two-lane highways but not an interstate. Section 6 has been built with the correct signage throughout, hopefully this signage bid includes updating I-69 to match that.

I'm hopeful that they're replacing everything, not just reskinning them again. Those jobs look like crap, and the Vincennes District is overrun with them.

I can live with the small enter/leave signs, even though they don't belong on an Interstate, but yeah, it's time to get the rest of the job done. What's it been, 11 years since Evansville-to-Bloomington opened?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 19, 2022, 07:15:36 PM
this also may finally remove the 37 cosigning as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 19, 2022, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 19, 2022, 07:15:36 PM
this also may finally remove the 37 cosigning as well.

I believe that the plan is that once 69 is signed continuously, 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on November 20, 2022, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 19, 2022, 05:42:11 PM
The only mile markers that should be changed are those along Section 5 from Bloomington to Martinsville. I hate seeing the wierd blue mile markers for the mile itself and the white-on-green mile markers for the half miles. Either make them all white-on-green like the rest of I-69 to the south or make them the correct white-on-blue design you see from Martinsville northward.

I'm assuming this update on signage will add Indianapolis for the northbound control city from Evansville up to Bloomington. The signs at the interchanges are already the right size to put the city name on them with no problem. Evansville should also be added on some of the former I-164 signs south of I-64. I will be curious if they decide to add any controls south of Evansville. If any I would guess Henderson.

Other things I hope to see are obviously mileage signs, signs for roads/waterways and proper county line signs. Not the enter county/leave county design we currently see on I-69 south of Bloomington. Those signs are fine on two-lane highways but not an interstate. Section 6 has been built with the correct signage throughout, hopefully this signage bid includes updating I-69 to match that.
The signage at County Line Exit 158 already has two BGS one says 69 South Evansville and other BGS says 69 North Indianapolis.  As for Henderson, because of a gap between two interstates, Indiana will have Evansville as southern control city, and Kentucky uses Henderson as its northern control city. It be another five to ten years before the gap is closed.
At I-64 on SB 69, the BGS does say 69 South Evansville and Henderson.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 20, 2022, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 19, 2022, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 19, 2022, 07:15:36 PM
this also may finally remove the 37 cosigning as well.

I believe that the plan is that once 69 is signed continuously, 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers.

So that means that 37 will be three widely-spaced segments, Tell City to Bloomington, Fishers to Marion, and Ft. Wayne to the Ohio state line.  Sounds to me like a renumbering or two (especially the last segment) is in order, but then I forgot that we're talking about Indiana.  :)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: pianocello on November 21, 2022, 07:23:26 PM
Quote from: RIndy on November 20, 2022, 07:46:30 PM
As for Henderson, because of a gap between two interstates, Indiana will have Evansville as southern control city, and Kentucky uses Henderson as its northern control city. It be another five to ten years before the gap is closed.
At I-64 on SB 69, the BGS does say 69 South Evansville and Henderson.

The gap's not the reason. INDOT signs Evansville because it's bigger, and KYTC signs Henderson because they tend to prefer mid-size cities in their own state (as another example, they use Ashland instead of the larger but out-of-state Huntington on I-64 east of Lexington).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 27, 2022, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 20, 2022, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 19, 2022, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 19, 2022, 07:15:36 PM
this also may finally remove the 37 cosigning as well.

I believe that the plan is that once 69 is signed continuously, 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers.

So that means that 37 will be three widely-spaced segments, Tell City to Bloomington, Fishers to Marion, and Ft. Wayne to the Ohio state line.  Sounds to me like a renumbering or two (especially the last segment) is in order, but then I forgot that we're talking about Indiana.  :)
Given the relatively short length of the SR-37 stretch between I-469 and the Ohio state line, there's a better chance that INDOT might just turn that segment over to Allen County. If INDOT were to decommission that stretch of SR-37, it would likely go by its local name, the Maysville Pike.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 27, 2022, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 27, 2022, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 20, 2022, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 19, 2022, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 19, 2022, 07:15:36 PM
this also may finally remove the 37 cosigning as well.

I believe that the plan is that once 69 is signed continuously, 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers.

So that means that 37 will be three widely-spaced segments, Tell City to Bloomington, Fishers to Marion, and Ft. Wayne to the Ohio state line.  Sounds to me like a renumbering or two (especially the last segment) is in order, but then I forgot that we're talking about Indiana.  :)
Given the relatively short length of the SR-37 stretch between I-469 and the Ohio state line, there's a better chance that INDOT might just turn that segment over to Allen County. If INDOT were to decommission that stretch of SR-37, it would likely go by its local name, the Maysville Pike.

37 used to be routed along 9 from Marion to Huntington and 24 from Huntington to Fort Wayne, so at one point it was continuous. I haven't seen any reasoning as to why the signage got pulled between Marion and Fort Wayne.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 27, 2022, 05:26:50 PM
Google Maps has moved the I-69 shield up to IN-144. IN-37 the rest of the way to I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 28, 2022, 08:13:42 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 27, 2022, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 27, 2022, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 20, 2022, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 19, 2022, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 19, 2022, 07:15:36 PM
this also may finally remove the 37 cosigning as well.

I believe that the plan is that once 69 is signed continuously, 37 will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers.

So that means that 37 will be three widely-spaced segments, Tell City to Bloomington, Fishers to Marion, and Ft. Wayne to the Ohio state line.  Sounds to me like a renumbering or two (especially the last segment) is in order, but then I forgot that we're talking about Indiana.  :)
Given the relatively short length of the SR-37 stretch between I-469 and the Ohio state line, there's a better chance that INDOT might just turn that segment over to Allen County. If INDOT were to decommission that stretch of SR-37, it would likely go by its local name, the Maysville Pike.

37 used to be routed along 9 from Marion to Huntington and 24 from Huntington to Fort Wayne, so at one point it was continuous. I haven't seen any reasoning as to why the signage got pulled between Marion and Fort Wayne.

might have been to lower mileage. i think overlaps count too for 2 routes (or more). they stopped signing 38 in frankfort too for some reason.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on December 01, 2022, 02:51:50 PM
I got this update regarding about the new interstate up to S.R. 144.
INDIANAPOLIS (Nov. 28, 2022) — Construction crews are completing the final steps needed to convert State Road 37 to Interstate 69 between Martinsville and Bargersville.

Banta Road, near the Morgan-Johnson county line, is expected to close permanently at S.R. 37 on Wednesday, Nov. 30. This will allow crews time to remove the intersection pavement and traffic signal before winter and begin rebuilding the shoulders and ditches.

With the removal of Banta Road, the first traffic signal north of Evansville will be at Smith Valley Road. Drivers should stay alert in the area as other motorists adjust to the transition.

S.R. 144 interchange

Three of the four ramps at the S.R. 144 interchange are now open, providing access to the area near Banta Road. The ramp from S.R. 144 onto southbound I-69 is on track to open in the next two to three weeks.

By the end of the year, expect S.R. 37 to be officially signed as I-69 and the speed limit to be increased to 70 mph from S.R. 44 in Martinsville to S.R. 144 in Bargersville.

Until the fourth and final ramp opens, motorists can enter southbound S.R. 37 traffic at County Line Road, Fairview Road, Smith Valley Road and Henderson Ford Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 10, 2022, 10:50:32 AM
Just drove down this way to check out the latest progress on Section 6. Indeed the Banta Road stoplight is now gone and there are no traffic lights south of Smith Valley Road, though with the construction it really isn't smooth sailing until you get past 144 heading south.

One thing of note today is that I noticed the first BGS for Southport Road along SR 37 north of County Line Road. The sign says Southport Road 1 Mile with an exit tab for Exit 162. Immediately to my left the mile markers say Mile 159. The original plans erroneously had Exit 162 instead of Exit 160 as it should be. I'm guessing at some point someone points this out to them. Especially since County Line Road is properly Exit 158 and there's never been four miles between County Line and Southport.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on December 13, 2022, 08:50:07 AM
Wow, over a billion dollars spent and this happens? How does someone not double check items
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on December 13, 2022, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: IndyAgent on December 13, 2022, 08:50:07 AM
Wow, over a billion dollars spent and this happens? How does someone not double check items
"Close enough," is probably how the review went.  Being a mile off or so probably wasn't seen as a big deal, exit number wise.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 13, 2022, 11:54:39 AM
to be fair, that's an easy fix  :-D they can just pop off the numbers and replace them with the correct ones.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on December 14, 2022, 09:16:44 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 01, 2022, 07:25:17 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
When my brother lived south of Nashville and I was making that trip from Chicagoland a couple times a year, If I was in a hurry, I always took I-57 to I-24. If I had time, I liked using US 41/IN 63/Audbon Pkwy/I-165/I-65. I once did I-65 and once did I-69/IN 37/I-65. Not a fan.

Last time we went to Nashville we did US 41/IN 63/US 41/I-69/I-169/I-24. Much, much less traffic than using I-65.

Google Maps as well as GPS's are utilizing the US 41-SR 63 route through Indiana. Recently, a friend from Birmingham called to say he would be stopping in Evansville for lunch on his way to Chicago. He said his GPS always sends him that way.

I agree a good bypass to get from 41 over to 394 would go a long way in making that route. I have driven Evansville to Chicago many times with numerous route combinations. My go-to typically is 41-63-41 to Kentland, US 52 from Kentland to I-57 at Kankakee, and I-57 on in.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 14, 2022, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Captain Jack on December 14, 2022, 09:16:44 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 01, 2022, 07:25:17 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
When my brother lived south of Nashville and I was making that trip from Chicagoland a couple times a year, If I was in a hurry, I always took I-57 to I-24. If I had time, I liked using US 41/IN 63/Audbon Pkwy/I-165/I-65. I once did I-65 and once did I-69/IN 37/I-65. Not a fan.

Last time we went to Nashville we did US 41/IN 63/US 41/I-69/I-169/I-24. Much, much less traffic than using I-65.

Google Maps as well as GPS's are utilizing the US 41-SR 63 route through Indiana. Recently, a friend from Birmingham called to say he would be stopping in Evansville for lunch on his way to Chicago. He said his GPS always sends him that way.

I agree a good bypass to get from 41 over to 394 would go a long way in making that route. I have driven Evansville to Chicago many times with numerous route combinations. My go-to typically is 41-63-41 to Kentland, US 52 from Kentland to I-57 at Kankakee, and I-57 on in.

I don't often go that way because I live on the Indiana side of the border, but the most common way people get over to 394 from 41 is via 109th Ave, Calumet Ave, and 101st Ave/Exchange St.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on December 14, 2022, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 14, 2022, 10:02:24 AM
I don't often go that way because I live on the Indiana side of the border, but the most common way people get over to 394 from 41 is via 109th Ave, Calumet Ave, and 101st Ave/Exchange St.

There has been some thought to a direct connection of 109th to Exchange Street that bypasses the Calumet Avenue jog, but it will probably be a difficult lift. Especially if trucks are in the mix. There is literally no legal way for a semi to cross the state line between Sauk Trail in Cook County and IL 17/IN 2 east of Kankakee.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on December 16, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
I-69 has been officially extended up to SR 144.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on December 16, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
Funny thing: I-69 is signed up to that point in Google Earth now.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: theline on December 17, 2022, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on December 14, 2022, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 14, 2022, 10:02:24 AM
I don't often go that way because I live on the Indiana side of the border, but the most common way people get over to 394 from 41 is via 109th Ave, Calumet Ave, and 101st Ave/Exchange St.

There has been some thought to a direct connection of 109th to Exchange Street that bypasses the Calumet Avenue jog, but it will probably be a difficult lift. Especially if trucks are in the mix. There is literally no legal way for a semi to cross the state line between Sauk Trail in Cook County and IL 17/IN 2 east of Kankakee.
My in-laws, now decreased, lived in Crown Point for decades. The 109th/Calumet/101st route was the go-to way to Chicago and points west. It worked great for cars, but as noted the route is illegal and inadvisable for trucks. I recommend it highly to avoid the traffic on the alternatives, like US 30 and I-80.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on December 17, 2022, 02:10:11 PM
What makes the route illegal for trucks?

Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on December 17, 2022, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on December 17, 2022, 02:10:11 PM
What makes the route illegal for trucks?
Local ordinance
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 22, 2022, 09:17:34 PM
This may be of some interest to people around here but INDOT has released the signage plans for their project next year to add mileage signs along I-69 from Bloomington to Evansville and update the control city signage for northbound I-69.

A few observations:
-Mileage signs are typical for INDOT: next exit, secondary control and main control city. Going southbound Bloomington is the main secondary control city and then Washington and then I-64. Northbound secondary control is Washington and then Bloomington. Interestingly they mainly list state highway and road names for the first line. I would have thought that places like Crane, Petersburg and Oakland City would be on the signs but instead just their highways (US 231, SR 61 and SR 64 respectively are signed.) On other Indiana interstates you typically would get three communities listed. A little interesting but not too bad.

-The mileage signs along the old I-164 in Evansville appear to be mainly staying. South of I-64 there's one new mileage sign near the US 41 interchange listing the distance to Henderson. Heading north from Evansville the first mention of Indianapolis on a mileage sign is near I-64.

-As expected, Indianapolis is the official northbound control city starting at US 41 in Evansville. And the city name will be added to existing signs were there's currently a blank space. Evansville is the official southbound control city for the entire highway as well. South of I-64 Evansville is being added to all signs for southbound I-69 all the way to the Green River Road exit (the US 41 exit just signs Veterans Memorial Parkway as it currently does today.) There is NO mention of Henderson or any other community south of Evansville along I-69 with the exception of the existing signs at the I-64 exit and one mileage sign near US 41. I'm guessing that when they complete the I-69 bridge over the Ohio River they will mention a Kentucky control city at that point.

-Finally, as expected the signage around Bloomington and points north will be removing the SR 37 shields on them for when the highway is officially decommissioned.

And now a view of the mileage signs being planned along I-69. The signs in this image are ordered from south to north and feature both directions (one sign for south of US 50 and one for north of US 50 for instance.)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52580999883_8220d88a7d_b.jpg)

The next image shows the main control city signs at the individual interchanges and how they will change from their current view.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52580999858_6d14b83000_b.jpg)

The last image shows a view of the sign bridge on northbound I-69 at I-64 with the new signage showing Indianapolis for the northbound control.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52580741694_b8ea130cd8_h.jpg)

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on December 22, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Putting "US 50"  and "Washington"  as separate lines on a SB sign is kinda dumb, but overall, these signage additions and updates have been overdue for a while now. Better Late than Never!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: pianocello on December 23, 2022, 11:58:59 AM
This is pretty cool! Do you have a link to the signage plans (if they're even publicly available)?

Also, what
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 22, 2022, 09:17:34 PM
South of I-64 Evansville is being added to all signs for southbound I-69 all the way to the Green River Road exit (the US 41 exit just signs Veterans Memorial Parkway as it currently does today.)

The southernmost four interchanges are in Evansville. And if you're going from SR 66 WB to almost any point in Evansville, it makes more sense to continue straight onto the Lloyd Expressway than to exit onto I-69 SB. The same is true for other Evansville interchanges, but to a lesser extent.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 23, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: pianocello on December 23, 2022, 11:58:59 AM
This is pretty cool! Do you have a link to the signage plans (if they're even publicly available)?

Also, what
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 22, 2022, 09:17:34 PM
South of I-64 Evansville is being added to all signs for southbound I-69 all the way to the Green River Road exit (the US 41 exit just signs Veterans Memorial Parkway as it currently does today.)

The southernmost four interchanges are in Evansville. And if you're going from SR 66 WB to almost any point in Evansville, it makes more sense to continue straight onto the Lloyd Expressway than to exit onto I-69 SB. The same is true for other Evansville interchanges, but to a lesser extent.

https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/ is the website. Enter in the number 42411 for the contract number and click Select Documents. Once there go to Plan/Drawing Sets. There should be 7 files you can download which cover the various stretches of the highway, it goes into detail around each interchange what the plans are. Though I should mention that the first three set of plans mainly show the existence signage and it's midway through the fourth one where they start showing the new signs.

As for the I-69/Lloyd interchange I would argue that if your destination is Downtown Evansville and you're coming in from Newburgh I-69 might be a quicker route. The Lloyd is famous after all for being a traffic hell. Traveling east through that interchange however...the usage of Evansville is more questionable. But due to the curve of the highway there's not much you can do about that. Even putting Henderson there wouldn't make it any better.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 23, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
I will wonder when someone tells INDOT that these have Boonville-New Harmony Road spelled incorrectly.  I remember when the Lloyd Expressway was under construction in the 80s, I saw a mileage sign on the unopened downtown section state "Wineback" than the correct German "Weinbach".  It was changed by the time the road opened, I believe.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on December 23, 2022, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Putting "US 50"  and "Washington"  as separate lines on a SB sign is kinda dumb, but overall, these signage additions and updates have been overdue for a while now. Better Late than Never!

So was building a major north-south interstate (I-69) right next to a 4 lane federal highway bypass (US-50). They could have shared ROW for 3 miles and saved millions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on December 23, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 23, 2022, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Putting "US 50"  and "Washington"  as separate lines on a SB sign is kinda dumb, but overall, these signage additions and updates have been overdue for a while now. Better Late than Never!

So was building a major north-south interstate (I-69) right next to a 4 lane federal highway bypass (US-50). They could have shared ROW for 3 miles and saved millions.

That's very doubtful.  Too many adjacent properties that would have needed to be bought out, the problem with perpendicular traffic overlay (which causes problems at I-70/57, I-70/79, and so forth), and grade and drainage.  Probably would have cost millions more, and then also forced heavy agricultural traffic back onto 50's old route since they can use US 50, but can't use I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on December 23, 2022, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 23, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: pianocello on December 23, 2022, 11:58:59 AM
This is pretty cool! Do you have a link to the signage plans (if they're even publicly available)?

Also, what
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 22, 2022, 09:17:34 PM
South of I-64 Evansville is being added to all signs for southbound I-69 all the way to the Green River Road exit (the US 41 exit just signs Veterans Memorial Parkway as it currently does today.)

The southernmost four interchanges are in Evansville. And if you're going from SR 66 WB to almost any point in Evansville, it makes more sense to continue straight onto the Lloyd Expressway than to exit onto I-69 SB. The same is true for other Evansville interchanges, but to a lesser extent.

https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/ is the website. Enter in the number 42411 for the contract number and click Select Documents. Once there go to Plan/Drawing Sets. There should be 7 files you can download which cover the various stretches of the highway, it goes into detail around each interchange what the plans are. Though I should mention that the first three set of plans mainly show the existence signage and it's midway through the fourth one where they start showing the new signs.

Thank you for this!  I love me a set of sign plans to look at, especially when I'm staying inside on a lousy day like today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 23, 2022, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 23, 2022, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Putting "US 50"  and "Washington"  as separate lines on a SB sign is kinda dumb, but overall, these signage additions and updates have been overdue for a while now. Better Late than Never!

So was building a major north-south interstate (I-69) right next to a 4 lane federal highway bypass (US-50). They could have shared ROW for 3 miles and saved millions.

eh... no that wouldn't make any sense at all. you would have 2 exits right next to each other for 50 and an unneeded cosigning. plus the geometry wouldn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 23, 2022, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on December 23, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
I will wonder when someone tells INDOT that these have Boonville-New Harmony Road spelled incorrectly.  I remember when the Lloyd Expressway was under construction in the 80s, I saw a mileage sign on the unopened downtown section state "Wineback" than the correct German "Weinbach".  It was changed by the time the road opened, I believe.

Not to mention "US 168" ???
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 23, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
US 168 followed present-day US 150 between Louisville and Mount Vernon, KY from 1926-1934. Did you mean Indiana State Highway 168?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 23, 2022, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 23, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
US 168 followed present-day US 150 between Louisville and Mount Vernon, KY from 1926-1934. Did you mean Indiana State Highway 168?
Yes, it should be SR-168, not US-168.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 24, 2022, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 23, 2022, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Putting "US 50"  and "Washington"  as separate lines on a SB sign is kinda dumb, but overall, these signage additions and updates have been overdue for a while now. Better Late than Never!

So was building a major north-south interstate (I-69) right next to a 4 lane federal highway bypass (US-50). They could have shared ROW for 3 miles and saved millions.
I actually thought that part of the original plan was to have I-69 join the bypass near the highway 57 intersection and then leave on the east side of Washington.  That was abandoned due to the fact that construction would have taken longer to incorporate the existing US 50 section rather than go with all new construction for the interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on December 24, 2022, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 23, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
US 168 followed present-day US 150 between Louisville and Mount Vernon, KY from 1926-1934. Did you mean Indiana State Highway 168?
Hopefully INDOT sees this error of US 168 and change it to SR 168 before the signs are made.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 24, 2022, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 23, 2022, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 22, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Putting "US 50"  and "Washington"  as separate lines on a SB sign is kinda dumb, but overall, these signage additions and updates have been overdue for a while now. Better Late than Never!

So was building a major north-south interstate (I-69) right next to a 4 lane federal highway bypass (US-50). They could have shared ROW for 3 miles and saved millions.
Not necessarily, as you would have to build at least one (and probably two) high-speed interchanges that would offset any potential savings of using the 4-lane US-50 alignment around Washington.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 25, 2022, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 23, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
US 168 followed present-day US 150 between Louisville and Mount Vernon, KY from 1926-1934. Did you mean Indiana State Highway 168?

I did. The plans have a "US 168," among too many other errors. It shouldn't be hard to proofread things before they print them, but it is INDOT we're talking about.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Scott5114 on December 25, 2022, 05:30:26 PM
Why don't you send them an email pointing out the errors? It's a lot cheaper to fix the plans now than it would be to fix the signs after they get made this way.

I got a couple of KDOT plan sheets fixed that way once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 25, 2022, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 25, 2022, 05:30:26 PM
Why don't you send them an email pointing out the errors? It's a lot cheaper to fix the plans now than it would be to fix the signs after they get made this way.

I got a couple of KDOT plan sheets fixed that way once.

I actually have a couple extra days off this week, so I will do just that. Email sent this afternoon (12/26). Thanks for the suggestion!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 27, 2022, 01:06:02 PM

Earlier today BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove past the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone. The pertinent part of the video begins at 2:00:15. Of note, pile driving has commenced for the future bridges.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on December 27, 2022, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on December 26, 2022, 02:55:24 PM
Infographics YouTube video on the Interstate just got posted yesterday.  Of course, most of the comments were about the number! :-D

https://youtu.be/4anVYVJvtBI (https://youtu.be/4anVYVJvtBI)

Insane spam. Did you post it in EVERY i-69 thread in each region?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 28, 2022, 08:11:25 AM
Quote from: rte66man on December 27, 2022, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on December 26, 2022, 02:55:24 PM
Infographics YouTube video on the Interstate just got posted yesterday.  Of course, most of the comments were about the number! :-D

https://youtu.be/4anVYVJvtBI (https://youtu.be/4anVYVJvtBI)

Insane spam. Did you post it in EVERY i-69 thread in each region?

He did. when NE2 said spam I refused to click on it.  :-D Thought it was a malicious link.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: MikieTimT on December 28, 2022, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 28, 2022, 08:11:25 AM
Quote from: rte66man on December 27, 2022, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on December 26, 2022, 02:55:24 PM
Infographics YouTube video on the Interstate just got posted yesterday.  Of course, most of the comments were about the number! :-D

https://youtu.be/4anVYVJvtBI (https://youtu.be/4anVYVJvtBI)

Insane spam. Did you post it in EVERY i-69 thread in each region?

He did. when NE2 said spam I refused to click on it.  :-D Thought it was a malicious link.  :-D

It wasn't, but I got the message that I overposted and removed them anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on December 30, 2022, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: ITB on December 27, 2022, 01:06:02 PM

Earlier today BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove past the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone. The pertinent part of the video begins at 2:00:15. Of note, pile driving has commenced for the future bridges.



I drove through there on the 28th. You could see the piles, and if you look farther south to see the grading. I couldn't get pictures because of the traffic.

Speaking of which, I-465 between I-70 to past I-74 was just clobbered Wednesday around 4:30-5. I know it's rush hour, but this is a holiday week where commuting travel tends to be low. Is this a consistent slowdown area, and won't I-69 just add to the problems there?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 30, 2022, 10:46:49 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on December 30, 2022, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: ITB on December 27, 2022, 01:06:02 PM

Earlier today BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove past the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone. The pertinent part of the video begins at 2:00:15. Of note, pile driving has commenced for the future bridges.



I drove through there on the 28th. You could see the piles, and if you look farther south to see the grading. I couldn't get pictures because of the traffic.

Speaking of which, I-465 between I-70 to past I-74 was just clobbered Wednesday around 4:30-5. I know it's rush hour, but this is a holiday week where commuting travel tends to be low. Is this a consistent slowdown area, and won't I-69 just add to the problems there?

I was also

It's the North Split construction project going on in Downtown Indianapolis. I-70 (and I-65) traffic are closed there and you can't travel through the city. Therefore all the thru traffic, especially for I-70 has to detour onto the southern part of I-465. And while it's not officially signed a lot of the I-65 thru traffic also pass through the same stretch of roadway. So basically the vast majority of all thru traffic along both I-65 and I-70 across the state of Indiana are currently being funneled through the six-lane I-465 on the south side along with the normal I-74 traffic. But this is what happens when you're the Crossroads of America. Rush hours only make it worse.

As for I-69 adding to the problems there, probably not. First of all the North Split should be open soon (we hope) so all that detoured traffic will go back to utilizing I-65 and I-70 through the city. Second of all the improvements to I-465 between I-70 and I-65 in conjunction with the I-69 interchange project will add some lanes along that stretch, increasing capacity. It won't be perfect but the roadway should be able to handle more traffic. And third, there probably won't actually be a huge increase in traffic once the interstate is open. Traffic going from say Fort Wayne to Evansville had been using the south end of I-465 for a long time anyway. Same if you're going from Muncie to Bloomington. And as long as I-69 remains just a regional highway (the going to Texas bit will take a super long time to complete) then the overall traffic patterns should remain localized. Southwest Indiana is not exactly a booming area anyway, the Evansville regional population is basically stagnant with a few spots of growth. Bloomington's better in that regard but it shouldn't make life on I-465 much worse. Basically, the traffic that will be using I-69 were already using I-465 and SR 37 anyway and will obviously continue to do so. And traffic hasn't been too bad with that arrangement, as long as you don't have the North Split closed, that has messed up everything with Indianapolis traffic.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 30, 2022, 11:39:57 AM
I-69 will be routed around the eastern part of I-465.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jbrocato on December 30, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
Interesting that Indiana is still not using shields on their distance signs as many states now do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on January 02, 2023, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: jbrocato on December 30, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
Interesting that Indiana is still not using shields on their distance signs as many states now do.


We took a trip to Evansville yesterday, we did see a sign on the newly open section of I-69 going north, on a distant sign, did show I-465 20 miles, plus on Exit 27 the state highway shield 168 is on BGS. I'm guessing Indiana does not use shields on distance signs, just letters and numbers...

Fixed quote. (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 16, 2023, 01:57:58 PM

For those interested, just a quick mention to note that INDOT has installed livestream cameras all along I-69 between I-465 and the SR 39 interchange in Martinsville. While the resolution of the cameras is low, they cover a very substantial part of the highway.

Access the INDOT Trafficwise cameras here. (https://511in.org/@-86.13927,39.77735,12?show=normalCameras)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on January 17, 2023, 12:04:23 PM
New INDOT progress update video on the project:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GebCALMMvDc
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on January 19, 2023, 07:26:12 PM
Always glad to see some progress being made. I'm looking forward to driving the new Evansville-Indianapolis segment once it's complete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: royo6022 on January 20, 2023, 11:03:09 AM
The INDOT website is saying the project will be complete by "end of 2024". From anyone that has been up to see the current progress in person, what do we think that means? I'm wondering if it will be completed closer to early fall or open up end of December.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 20, 2023, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: royo6022 on January 20, 2023, 11:03:09 AM
The INDOT website is saying the project will be complete by "end of 2024". From anyone that has been up to see the current progress in person, what do we think that means? I'm wondering if it will be completed closer to early fall or open up end of December.
My guess is everything except the final 1-2 miles will be done in 2023.  At least that is what I expect from seeing the progress this past year and where they are.  Being a bit vague like that probably means to me that they are shooting for perhaps Sept 30 of next year, but giving themselves another 3 months in case of terrible weather.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on January 20, 2023, 07:58:01 PM
There is something very satisfying about watching an at-grade expressway become a freeway; all the new bridges and underpasses, new ramps, etc. There's also the increased speed limit and the reduction in crashes related to at-grade intersections. It's all very satisfying. INDOT has done a very nice job with this new freeway, I really like the interchange designs and how it ties into the local road network. I would be curious what the local farmers and landowners think, but I'd imagine the overall reception has been decently positive.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on January 20, 2023, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 20, 2023, 07:58:01 PM
There is something very satisfying about watching an at-grade expressway become a freeway; all the new bridges and underpasses, new ramps, etc. There's also the increased speed limit and the reduction in crashes related to at-grade intersections. It's all very satisfying. INDOT has done a very nice job with this new freeway, I really like the interchange designs and how it ties into the local road network. I would be curious what the local farmers and landowners think, but I'd imagine the overall reception has been decently positive.

Very reminiscent of the late '80s and early '90s watching MDOT slowly replace the old M-78 4-lane divided-highway with the modern new I-69 around the Lansing, MI area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 20, 2023, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 20, 2023, 07:58:01 PM
There is something very satisfying about watching an at-grade expressway become a freeway; all the new bridges and underpasses, new ramps, etc. There's also the increased speed limit and the reduction in crashes related to at-grade intersections. It's all very satisfying. INDOT has done a very nice job with this new freeway, I really like the interchange designs and how it ties into the local road network. I would be curious what the local farmers and landowners think, but I'd imagine the overall reception has been decently positive.
Other than the environmentally-minded, most of the opposition to I-69 came from the Bloomington area and land owners and others on the new alignment section between Evansville and Bloomington. New alignments are most always a harder sell due to something new being plopped onto people's property. If the project had consisted of improving IN 37 between Bloomington and Indy only, I would guess there'd have been little opposition. Getting rid of stoplights, increasing safety, and increasing mobility in an existing corridor is usually well received other than the grumbling during construction about detours, business access, etc.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 21, 2023, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: royo6022 on January 20, 2023, 11:03:09 AM
The INDOT website is saying the project will be complete by "end of 2024". From anyone that has been up to see the current progress in person, what do we think that means? I'm wondering if it will be completed closer to early fall or open up end of December.

It seems to me heavy construction will taper more towards the end of 2024, rather than earlier. Remember, in addition to building the I-69/I-465 system interchange, I-465 will be receiving an added lane in each direction between I-65 and I-70. That in itself is a tremendous project. They are really just getting started. Now, of course, it's possible the I-69 system interchange may open prior to the completion of the added lanes, but, at this time, it's way too early to guesstimate about that.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 21, 2023, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 21, 2023, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: royo6022 on January 20, 2023, 11:03:09 AM
The INDOT website is saying the project will be complete by "end of 2024". From anyone that has been up to see the current progress in person, what do we think that means? I'm wondering if it will be completed closer to early fall or open up end of December.

It seems to me heavy construction will taper more towards the end of 2024, rather than earlier. Remember, in addition to building the I-69/I-465 system interchange, I-465 will be receiving an added lane in each direction between I-65 and I-70. That in itself is a tremendous project. They are really just getting started. Now, of course, it's possible the I-69 system interchange may open prior to the completion of the added lanes, but, at this time, it's way too early to guesstimate about that.
To that point about widening I-465, it's not just adding a lane to the outside of each side; rather they will be completely reconstructing the south leg between I-65 and I-70. That will include replacing every bridge and overpass, reconfiguring multiple interchanges, and digging up the existing roadbed and placing a new roadbed before the widened I-465 is completed. The work they'll be doing will be similar to what was done on the eastern and western legs of I-465 about 15-20 years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on January 21, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
Almost every bridge anyway, the railroad bridge east of Madison Avenue suspiciously has not and is not being replaced. And it looks like a fairly old bridge. I noticed on social media that people keep on asking about it and the Finish Line people have not given an answer as to why that bridge isn't being replaced. With the current bridge in place they can barely fit one more lane, which will be an auxiliary lane between the US 31 and I-65 exits, so there won't be four thru lanes as there will be west of US 31.

I've wondered too about that railroad bridge. I'm guessing the railroad company is playing hardball with INDOT and the state feels that it's not worth it. I'm not sure if anyone else knew an exact reason for that as all the other bridges along that stretch were rebuilt and widened to fit more lanes of I-465.

Furthermore, I wouldn't even be that mad if the I-465 part of the construction extended into 2025. With work on the I-69/465 interchange already well underway I imagine completing the connection by the end of 2024 is very doable.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 22, 2023, 11:21:12 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 21, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
I've wondered too about that railroad bridge. I'm guessing the railroad company is playing hardball with INDOT and the state feels that it's not worth it. I'm not sure if anyone else knew an exact reason for that as all the other bridges along that stretch were rebuilt and widened to fit more lanes of I-465.

One thing I have noted in my long transportation career is that every railroad bridge agreement is its own animal. Some bridges are owned by the railroad, a few by the state or local highway agency, and the details for maintenance and replacement run all over the place. It would likely be a lot easier to get a design exception for narrow shoulders through the railroad bridge than to completely reconstruct it, and who knows what is in the old agreement that might be a challenge to fund it or reconstruct it. Railroad bridges also tend to hold up longer than highway bridges, lending to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. Even highway agencies can't come to agreement sometimes; years ago during a corridor reconstruction, the Oakland Avenue bridge over I-55/74 in Bloomington IL was left intact rather than replaced because the state and county couldn't come to agreement on the design and maintenance. Until it got repainted recently, it stuck out as an eyesore in an otherwise modern corridor, for those who were looking.
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on January 23, 2023, 06:08:01 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 21, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
Almost every bridge anyway, the railroad bridge east of Madison Avenue suspiciously has not and is not being replaced. And it looks like a fairly old bridge. I noticed on social media that people keep on asking about it and the Finish Line people have not given an answer as to why that bridge isn't being replaced. With the current bridge in place they can barely fit one more lane, which will be an auxiliary lane between the US 31 and I-65 exits, so there won't be four thru lanes as there will be west of US 31.

I've wondered too about that railroad bridge. I'm guessing the railroad company is playing hardball with INDOT and the state feels that it's not worth it. I'm not sure if anyone else knew an exact reason for that as all the other bridges along that stretch were rebuilt and widened to fit more lanes of I-465.

Furthermore, I wouldn't even be that mad if the I-465 part of the construction extended into 2025. With work on the I-69/465 interchange already well underway I imagine completing the connection by the end of 2024 is very doable.
My guess INDOT will do what they did for 9th Avenue bridge east of 65 and before Emerson exit shift lanes use the emergency lanes for the needed lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 23, 2023, 09:19:06 AM
when dealing with railroads, it's best to leave them alone  :-D they are very difficult to work with and work on their own schedule. i think this is why rail bridges tend to look very old and dilapidated  :-D no one wants to mess with them. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 23, 2023, 01:01:06 PM

Here's two views of the bridge in question:

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Google Maps/Streetview

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52644674356_239efe66ef_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise Camera

And here's one of the I-465/SR 37 interchange. Seems exiting traffic to 37 is regularly backing up, frequently snarling traffic in general on eastbound I-465.

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INDOT TrafficWise Camera
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 23, 2023, 09:19:06 AM
when dealing with railroads, it's best to leave them alone  :-D they are very difficult to work with and work on their own schedule. i think this is why rail bridges tend to look very old and dilapidated  :-D no one wants to mess with them. 

That's why I-885 took forever to build in NC. Thanks to CSX Transportation for them being so slow. Plus having federal protection ( as railroads are more of a federal entity than a state) don't help the state governments when running into snag with them.  I'm sure BNSF or NS ain't no better to deal with either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 23, 2023, 03:08:06 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 23, 2023, 09:19:06 AM
when dealing with railroads, it's best to leave them alone  :-D they are very difficult to work with and work on their own schedule. i think this is why rail bridges tend to look very old and dilapidated  :-D no one wants to mess with them. 

That's why I-885 took forever to build in NC. Thanks to CSX Transportation for them being so slow. Plus having federal protection ( as railroads are more of a federal entity than a state) don't help the state governments when running into snag with them.  I'm sure BNSF or NS ain't no better to deal with either.

That's why whenever possible the agency building the road prefers to build a road bridge over the tracks whenever possible  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 23, 2023, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 23, 2023, 01:01:06 PM

Here's two views of the bridge in question:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52644166917_035b17467a_k.jpg)
Google Maps/Streetview

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52644674356_239efe66ef_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise Camera

And here's one of the I-465/SR 37 interchange. Seems exiting traffic to 37 is regularly backing up, frequently snarling traffic in general on eastbound I-465.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52644674021_fb15f4c530_h.jpg)
INDOT TrafficWise Camera
From the aerial view of that railroad bridge, it looks like there's just enough room to squeeze a fourth lane in each direction under it, but you would lose the right shoulder going under it. For that to be allowed, the FHWA would have to approve a "design exception" since the roadway where it goes under the overpass would no longer meet interstate standards. But...you're talking about 100, maybe 200 feet of roadway in the immediate vicinity of the overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 04:51:32 PM
^ You could design it standard width, 4 lanes in each direction with full shoulders, then just reduce the shoulder immediately under the bridge. It doesn't need to be reduced for 100-200 ft.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 23, 2023, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 04:51:32 PM
^ You could design it standard width, 4 lanes in each direction with full shoulders, then just reduce the shoulder immediately under the bridge. It doesn't need to be reduced for 100-200 ft.
A hazard wouldn't be allowed to jut out suddenly into a shoulder on an interstate. A gradual taper, narrowing the shoulder width on the approach side, is often several hundred feet in length, depending on the approach speed and how much the width is being reduced. Likewise, if lanes are shifted to accommodate a reduced shoulder width, there will be a gradual transition for safety.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 24, 2023, 08:18:28 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on January 23, 2023, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 23, 2023, 04:51:32 PM
^ You could design it standard width, 4 lanes in each direction with full shoulders, then just reduce the shoulder immediately under the bridge. It doesn't need to be reduced for 100-200 ft.
A hazard wouldn't be allowed to jut out suddenly into a shoulder on an interstate. A gradual taper, narrowing the shoulder width on the approach side, is often several hundred feet in length, depending on the approach speed and how much the width is being reduced. Likewise, if lanes are shifted to accommodate a reduced shoulder width, there will be a gradual transition for safety.

yes, check the MUTCD, i believe the correct distance would be LW i.e. speed of road times the amount of width you will lose. they would probably taper the guardrail along with the shoulder too
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on January 24, 2023, 08:58:20 AM
^ That is true, I underestimated that distance in my head.

Both the left and right shoulder on the approach would need to taper down around 400-500 ft I'm roughly guessing, and assuming a 70 mph design speed.

However, immediately on the other side of the bridge, the shoulder can just appear again fully, it doesn't need to taper back.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 24, 2023, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 24, 2023, 08:58:20 AM
^ That is true, I underestimated that distance in my head.

Both the left and right shoulder on the approach would need to taper down around 400-500 ft I'm roughly guessing, and assuming a 70 mph design speed.

However, immediately on the other side of the bridge, the shoulder can just appear again fully, it doesn't need to taper back.

The outside shoulders can appear fully once the roadway clears the bridge on the departure end. However, the inside (median) shoulders, if they were tapered in, would also need to be tapered back out if there was an associated travel lane shift to shoehorn 4 lanes into the space.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 05, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
That railroad bridge dates from the initial construction of 465.

Look at the 6th flat area from the right of the bridge. You can still faintly see the mounting plate for a Pennsylvania Railroad Keystone sign.

This bridge once had a twin (built about the same time).. it spanned I-65 in Jeffersonville.

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The railroad at this point, belongs to the short line Louisville and Indiana. However CSX has an easement agreement over the line.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on February 05, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 05, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
Look at the 6th flat area from the right of the bridge. You can still faintly see the mounting plate for a Pennsylvania Railroad Keystone sign.
The railroad at this point, belongs to the short line Louisville and Indiana. However CSX has an easement agreement over the line.
The L&I still incorporates the PRR "keystone" in its logo. Maybe the new bridge gets a similar logo sign?
https://www.anacostia.com/railroads/lirc
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 06, 2023, 04:17:12 PM

Got some pictures for you guys. Photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted. They can be expanded; just Right Click or follow the procedures of your browser.

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I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone; looking northwest from the under construction Epler Avenue bridge that will go over I-69 in southern Marion County. Eight lanes of I-69 will be placed on the raised earthwork berm. The natural gas-fired Harding Street Generating Station is in background right.

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Slightly closer look. While a good amount of pile driving has been completed for the interchange's bridges, work continues to finish up.

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Closer look using the long range lens. Note the pile driving rig on the right.

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Turning around, the view looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge. I-69 will be coming right through here.

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Different perspective showing what seems to be the on-ramp (on the right) from Epler Avenue to southbound I-69. Only a partial interchange will be built at Epler – a northbound off-ramp and a southbound on-ramp.

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Epler Avenue; looking west from the bridge that will take Epler over I-69. The coated rebar will support the raised concrete median. Hard to believe this is in Marion County. There's a old neighborhood down that way called Sunshine Gardens, which features houses on large lots. This was discussed a few pages back. In the opposite direction, the area is light industrial.

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Another view of the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone; looking northwest.

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Bundles of rebar on the Epler Avenue bridge; looking west.

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Another of the system interchange work zone; looking northwest. I-465 is located in the background.

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View using the long range lens looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge; State Road 37 in the background.

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And another looking southeast from Epler.

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One more of the system interchange work zone.

More pics to follow.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 06, 2023, 05:41:28 PM

Another batch. Again, the photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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The bridge that will carry Smith Valley Road over I-69 in Johnson County; looking east. It appears everything is set up for the deck pour; just waiting for the warmer days of spring. If February temps stay moderate, the pour might be undertaken sooner rather than later.

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Looking northeast from the western abutment of the Smith Valley Road overpass. While work continues on the new northbound lanes, all traffic currently uses the recently completed southbound roadway.

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The Smith Valley Road bridge with falsework in place; looking east. Falsework allows construction team members to safely navigate the work area.

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Looking southeast from the Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange work zone.

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Bridge deck finisher in place on the Smith Valley Road overpass; looking east.

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Using the long range lens, looking south from the Smith Valley work zone. Visible in the background is the State Road 144 overpass (expand the photo); that's a distance of three miles.

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Another shot ooking northeast toward State Road 37 and the future I-69 southbound off-ramp to Smith Valley Road.

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What the eye sees looking southeast from the Smith Valley work zone. The SR 144 overpass is down that way, but not quite visible.

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Smith Valley Road overpass; looking east.

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Western roundabout at the Smith Valley Road interchange; looking east. Looks like the roadway will be built up significantly.

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Closer look of the bridge deck finisher placed on rails at the Smith Valley Road overpass; looking east.

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Another view looking northeast from the Smith Valley work zone. On the right, the MSE retaining wall will help support the on-ramp to I-69 northbound.

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The bridge deck of the Smith Valley Road overpass; looking east. A sliver of Smith Valley Road is visible in the background (best seen if the photo is expanded).

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 06, 2023, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on February 05, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 05, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
Look at the 6th flat area from the right of the bridge. You can still faintly see the mounting plate for a Pennsylvania Railroad Keystone sign.
The railroad at this point, belongs to the short line Louisville and Indiana. However CSX has an easement agreement over the line.
The L&I still incorporates the PRR "keystone" in its logo. Maybe the new bridge gets a similar logo sign?
https://www.anacostia.com/railroads/lirc

We can hope, but I haven't seen one in any of the other railroads bridges.

But once, long ago.. in the 60s and 70s, there was an authentic PRR keystone there. And one for the westbound lanes on the far side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on February 06, 2023, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on February 05, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 05, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
Look at the 6th flat area from the right of the bridge. You can still faintly see the mounting plate for a Pennsylvania Railroad Keystone sign.
The railroad at this point, belongs to the short line Louisville and Indiana. However CSX has an easement agreement over the line.
The L&I still incorporates the PRR "keystone" in its logo. Maybe the new bridge gets a similar logo sign?
https://www.anacostia.com/railroads/lirc

What new bridge? Please go back and reread Reply 4589. (Edited to fix #)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on February 06, 2023, 08:29:03 PM
 :sombrero:
Quote from: davewiecking on February 06, 2023, 07:47:32 PM
What new bridge? Please go back and reread Reply 4289.
You mean 4589 :sombrero: I'd forgotten the original discussion about keeping the old RR overpass when lanes are added to 465.
It's due for a re-painting at least...and doubtful they'd replace a railroad logo sign in a repainting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on February 06, 2023, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 06, 2023, 05:41:28 PM
Another batch. Again, the photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

Again, wanted to express appreciation for the great coverage!

At least in the Fiirefox browser, left-cliicking the image causes it to resize to full size in the window.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 07, 2023, 08:15:22 AM
it always amazes me how old rail bridges are that are still in service. and they always look like they are about to fall apart  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 07, 2023, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: ITB on February 06, 2023, 04:17:12 PM

Got some pictures for you guys. Photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted. They can be expanded; just Right Click or follow the procedures of your browser.

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I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone; looking northwest from the under construction Epler Avenue bridge that will go over I-69 in southern Marion County. Eight lanes of I-69 will be placed on the raised earthwork berm. The natural gas-fired Harding Street Generating Station is in background right.

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Slightly closer look. While a good amount of pile driving has been completed for the interchange's bridges, work continues to finish up.

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Closer look using the long range lens. Note the pile driving rig on the right.

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Turning around, the view looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge. I-69 will be coming right through here.

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Different perspective showing what seems to be the on-ramp (on the right) from Epler Avenue to southbound I-69. Only a partial interchange will be built at Epler – a northbound off-ramp and a southbound on-ramp.

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Epler Avenue; looking west from the bridge that will take Epler over I-69. The coated rebar will support the raised concrete median. Hard to believe this is in Marion County. There's a old neighborhood down that way called Sunshine Gardens, which features houses on large lots. This was discussed a few pages back. In the opposite direction, the area is light industrial.

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Another view of the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone; looking northwest.

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Bundles of rebar on the Epler Avenue bridge; looking west.

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Another of the system interchange work zone; looking northwest. I-465 is located in the background.

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View using the long range lens looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge; State Road 37 in the background.

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And another looking southeast from Epler.

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One more of the system interchange work zone.

More pics to follow.

When ITB can see the I-69 construction, we'll have an early spring.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 07, 2023, 08:48:56 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 07, 2023, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: ITB on February 06, 2023, 04:17:12 PM

Got some pictures for you guys. Photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted. They can be expanded; just Right Click or follow the procedures of your browser.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52673424994_ca22a97570_k.jpg)
I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone; looking northwest from the under construction Epler Avenue bridge that will go over I-69 in southern Marion County. Eight lanes of I-69 will be placed on the raised earthwork berm. The natural gas-fired Harding Street Generating Station is in background right.

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Slightly closer look. While a good amount of pile driving has been completed for the interchange's bridges, work continues to finish up.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52671859017_a991d1ca72_k.jpg)
Closer look using the long range lens. Note the pile driving rig on the right.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52672357136_2ab5b9a98b_k.jpg)
Turning around, the view looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge. I-69 will be coming right through here.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52672362046_eba6f6d534_k.jpg)
Different perspective showing what seems to be the on-ramp (on the right) from Epler Avenue to southbound I-69. Only a partial interchange will be built at Epler – a northbound off-ramp and a southbound on-ramp.

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Epler Avenue; looking west from the bridge that will take Epler over I-69. The coated rebar will support the raised concrete median. Hard to believe this is in Marion County. There's a old neighborhood down that way called Sunshine Gardens, which features houses on large lots. This was discussed a few pages back. In the opposite direction, the area is light industrial.

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Another view of the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone; looking northwest.

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Bundles of rebar on the Epler Avenue bridge; looking west.

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Another of the system interchange work zone; looking northwest. I-465 is located in the background.

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View using the long range lens looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge; State Road 37 in the background.

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And another looking southeast from Epler.

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One more of the system interchange work zone.

More pics to follow.

When ITB can see the I-69 construction, we'll have an early spring.

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:-D I hope so, I hate the winter!  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 07, 2023, 12:45:51 PM

Here's a few of the State Road 144 work zone. Photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking south from the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. All four ramps are now open at SR 144 interchange. Work is still ongoing, however, on the southbound mainline bridge over Bluff Creek. After that completes, traffic will be shifted, and work will commence on the corresponding northbound bridge.

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Using the long range lens, the view looking north from the SR 144 overpass. The Smith Valley Road overpass is in the background.

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Southbound on-ramp at the SR144/I-69 interchange; looking south.

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Another shot looking south from the SR 144 overpass.

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Lightening fixtures at the SR 144 overpass; looking slightly northeast from the interchange's western traffic roundabout.

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Another view looking north from the bridge.

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Slightly different perspective looking north.

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Contractor field office – either for Crider & Crider or Rieth-Riley, or probably both as the project's a JV – on the western frontage road just south of the Smith Valley Road work zone; looking northwest. Google maps has the frontage road south of Smith Valley as Old State Road 37, while north of Smith, it's Bluffdale Drive.

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Looking east toward CR 144 from the eastern roundabout of the SR 144 interchange.

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And one more looking north.

Winter's all but over here in central and southern Indiana. High temps are forecast to be in the 40s and 50s for the next two weeks, with only one day expected to drop into the high 30s. That leaves only a window of two weeks or so for a cold snap. It's looking increasingly unlikely that will happen. If it snows again, which is certainly possible, it will melt quickly as it usually does in late February and early March. For road construction, this mild weather – can we say "early spring" – is a plus, plus. We might very well see an early start to the construction season.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on February 10, 2023, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 07, 2023, 12:45:51 PM
Winter's all but over here in central and southern Indiana. High temps are forecast to be in the 40s and 50s for the next two weeks, with only one day expected to drop into the high 30s. That leaves only a window of two weeks or so for a cold snap. It's looking increasingly unlikely that will happen. If it snows again, which is certainly possible, it will melt quickly as it usually does in late February and early March. For road construction, this mild weather – can we say "early spring" – is a plus, plus. We might very well see an early start to the construction season.

It seems like you're correct, ITB. According to the I-69 Finish Line Twitter feed, crews were able to place concrete today.
https://twitter.com/I69FinishLine/status/1624155771104550932
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 12, 2023, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: ITB on February 07, 2023, 12:45:51 PM

Winter's all but over here in central and southern Indiana. High temps are forecast to be in the 40s and 50s for the next two weeks, with only one day expected to drop into the high 30s. That leaves only a window of two weeks or so for a cold snap. It's looking increasingly unlikely that will happen. If it snows again, which is certainly possible, it will melt quickly as it usually does in late February and early March. For road construction, this mild weather – can we say "early spring" – is a plus, plus. We might very well see an early start to the construction season.


Apparently winter's over for every part of the state. To date, we've had less than 10 inches of snow in total, and never more than 2-3 inches on the ground at any one time.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on February 13, 2023, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: ITB on February 07, 2023, 12:45:51 PM
Here's a few of the State Road 144 work zone. Photos were taken Sunday, February 5, 2023, unless otherwise noted.
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Looking east toward CR 144 from the eastern roundabout of the SR 144 interchange.

I see concrete formed to look like brick and think, "Wow, will that ever be slick when it rains."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on February 13, 2023, 11:54:01 AM
That's just the truck apron around that roundabout, the main traffic part is normally paved as per SOP.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on February 28, 2023, 02:58:49 PM
For month of March--Over the course of two weekends in March the traffic patterns on I-465 on the southwest side of Indianapolis will change dramatically.  The new configuration will allow I-69 Finish Line to enter its next phase of construction: widening and rebuilding I-465 eastbound, which will include a new bridge over the White River.

The work needed to move all traffic onto the westbound lanes of I-465 is very weather dependent — temperatures can't be too cold and pavement has to be completely dry.  Crews are targeting the weekends of March 10-13 and March 17-20 to make the switch, but those dates are subject to change.

465/Harding--During the first weekend traffic on westbound I-465 between I-65 and I-70 will be limited to a single lane from 8 p.m. on Friday to 5 a.m. on Monday. The restrictions will allow crews to shift westbound lanes to the north in preparation for an eastbound switch later in the month.

To reduce traffic volume and conflict points, several westbound entrance ramps onto I-465 will close during the weekend double lane restrictions. From Friday at 8 p.m. to Monday at 5 a.m. access to I-465 westbound from I-65 southbound, I-65 northbound, U.S. 31 southbound, U.S. 31 northbound, and S.R 37 (Harding Street) will be closed.

During the second weekend, eastbound I-465 will be restricted to a single lane of traffic from 8 p.m. on Friday through 5 a.m. on Monday.  The double lane closure on eastbound I-465 will allow crews to shift all I-465 traffic onto the westbound lanes.

To reduce traffic volume and conflict points, several eastbound entrance ramps to I-465 will close during the weekend double lane restrictions. From Friday 8 p.m. to Monday 5 a.m. access to I-465 eastbound from I-70 eastbound, S.R. 67 (Kentucky Avenue), Mann Road, S.R. 37 (Harding Street), U.S. 31 southbound, and U.S. 31 northbound will be closed.

Be sure to follow I-69 Finish Line on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for the latest on the timing of the two weekends of lane restrictions and ramp closures.  There will be more details and traffic maps in next week's On Track.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 02, 2023, 11:10:30 PM
Took some photos today. Nothing special. I was hoping to meander into the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone, but, surprisingly, work was underway. And this was Sunday, a little after 5 pm. Just a couple of dozers plugging away, but that made it an active site, so it was a no go. Anyway, I snapped a few from the Epler Avenue bridge work zone and a few more from the Southport Road overpass, both of which were inactive.

Photos were taken Sunday, April 2, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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In Marion County, looking northwest from the new Epler Avenue bridge that will go over I-69. Pictured is the path of mainline I-69. Now, it seems as if the road will be constructed on top of the dirt. But that's isn't so because that mound is a surcharge that has been placed to help compact the soil underneath. The following picture helps show this.

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New Epler Avenue bridge and surcharge mound of dirt in the background; looking northwest. At some point, probably this summer, crews will begin to remove the surcharge, in preparation for the construction of the mainline that will pass under the overpass.

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Slightly closer look.

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And they'll be moving that dirt with these behemoths. These articulated dump trucks are big. Really big. The photo doesn't quite convey how large they really are.

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Another vantage point of the Epler Avenue bridge; looking north.

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Looking northwest again from the Epler Avenue overpass. Note the long MSE wall on the right. It's still challenging to determine what part of the interchange is what, but it seems that MSE wall will help support the ramp from I-69 northbound to I-465 eastbound.

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Closer look. In the background is the bridge where beams were recently placed. I'm not sure what that bridge will carry, but it's possible it will be the ramp from northbound I-69 to I-465 west.

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Slightly closer view.

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And here's that bridge from another viewpoint; looking east.

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Earth work on the western edge of the I-69/I-465 work zone; looking northwest. Looks like grading is underway for the exit ramp from I-465 east to I-69 south.

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Dozer moving dirt at the I-69/I-465 work zone; looking east. The bridge pictured above is just to the right out of view.

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Another perspective of the I-69/I-465 work zone from the Epler Avenue overpass; looking northwest.

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Looking southeast from the Epler Avenue bridge. The I-69 mainline will be coming right through here. State Road 37 is in the background.

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Different vantage point looking southeast from Epler.

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Another view of the recently built Epler Avenue bridge; looking northwest.

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One more looking northwest from near the Epler bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 03, 2023, 12:17:56 AM

Few more. Again, photos were taken Sunday, April 2, 2023.

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In southern Marion County, looking north from the Southport Road overpass. The new northbound lanes appear to nearing be completion. When that occurs, all traffic will shifted to that roadway, and construction will commence on the southbound lanes and the new southbound bridge over Little Buck Creek.

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Sightly different vantage point. Currently, only the exit ramp from southbound SR 37 to Southport Road is open. The southbound entrance ramp SR 37 seems complete, but barricades close it off. Unfortunately, no photos looking south from Southport. There's a wide sidewalk on the north side of the bridge, but nothing on the south. Moreover, all Southport traffic is currently being routed across the bridge on the east bound lanes. To go over that way seemed a bit dicey.

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And here's the southbound exit ramp to Southport; looking north.

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Long range shot looking north from the Southport overpass.

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Different perspective looking northeast showing the new bridges over Little Buck Creek – one for the northbound mainline, the other, the northbound entrance ramp from Southport.

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Closer look.

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Another looking north from Southport. Note how the northbound roadway, just past the bridge over Little Buck Creek, begins to rise to go over Banta Road. This can be better viewed when the photo is expanded. The bridge over Banta is all but complete. A little beyond that point, the mainline will curve left, deviating away from State Road 37, where it then go underneath Epler Avenue and on up to the new I-69/I-465 system interchange.

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And here is Epler Avenue and its approach to the bridge over I-69; looking west. Even through "closed road" signage and barricades are in place, I witnessed a couple of vehicles use the bridge, crossing west to east.

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Epler Avenue, looking west from the west end of the bridge.

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Posts and sections of guardrail at the Epler bridge work zone; looking east.

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Ready to rumble come Monday morning; Epler work zone, looking southeast.

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One more. Looking north toward the Epler Avenue bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 03, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
It sure looks like everything south of the 465 interchange is likely to be done by end of this year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on April 04, 2023, 10:28:12 PM
I drove 465 today on the southside and boy, Walsh is going balls to the walls right now. An absolute TON of activity was seen from SR67 all the way to US31. It's quite impressive to see the flurry of activity. Over the weekend, they had restricted 465 Eastbound to one lane to in order to get a new traffic pattern setup. Most of the traffic has been shifted as far north on 465 as possible, so most of the work is on the south side of 465. I do not think I have ever driven past work zone as busy as this.

I was not planning on posting these pictures, but instead just describe them, but I decided to take some screen grabs from my dashcam. Obviously, these are not as high quality as ITB's photos, and maybe if I were to plan better, I could have been in the right lane the whole time. I might even just drive it and post the whole video in the future.

Either way, here we go.

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Getting onto 465 East from SR67. We can see lots of utility work here.

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More work on the shoulder.

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Work near White River bridge. Unfortunately, there was a wall of trucks blocking most of my views here.

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Just past the White River bridge, approaching the future 465 and 69 interchange.

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Old pavement being ground up into the large trucks highlighted in IBT's post. We can see built up bridge approaches as well.

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Better view of the 465 and 69 interchange.

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We can see bridge columns and ramps being built up here.

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Past the 465 and 69 interchange, approaching the current SR37 exit.

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The best view of the work at SR37 I got while going the other way.

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Working going on past SR37.

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Final activity before reaching the US31 interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Buck87 on April 05, 2023, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: ITB on April 02, 2023, 11:10:30 PM
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Another vantage point of the Epler Avenue bridge; looking north.

Looks like a messy situation here!

BTW, thanks for all these pics, ITB. It's been interesting following this project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on April 05, 2023, 07:06:59 PM
Latest timeline for the gap between I-69 in Vanderburgh County (Evansville) and Henderson County KY has it open by 2031 with the actual bridge not beginning construction until 2027.  I know that they are looking for ways to start that sooner, but you would think that they might have started the bridge earlier since it is the longest part of the construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 05, 2023, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 05, 2023, 07:06:59 PM
Latest timeline for the gap between I-69 in Vanderburgh County (Evansville) and Henderson County KY has it open by 2031 with the actual bridge not beginning construction until 2027.  I know that they are looking for ways to start that sooner, but you would think that they might have started the bridge earlier since it is the longest part of the construction.
The bridge is also the most expensive part of the project, and figuring out the financing and tolling aspects took a while. I think both states moved at a reasonable speed on what they could with the ORX river bridge project. With any luck, Kentucky and Tennessee will have their other sections between Mayfield and Dyersburg completed and signed as I-69 by 2031, but I wouldn't count on the TN portion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 06, 2023, 10:25:59 AM
An idea I've been kicking around is, about 5 hours before new new bridge opens, taking off from Kinderhook, MI, and becoming the first person to drive end-to-end on I-69 in Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 06, 2023, 04:44:49 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on April 05, 2023, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 05, 2023, 07:06:59 PM
Latest timeline for the gap between I-69 in Vanderburgh County (Evansville) and Henderson County KY has it open by 2031 with the actual bridge not beginning construction until 2027.  I know that they are looking for ways to start that sooner, but you would think that they might have started the bridge earlier since it is the longest part of the construction.
The bridge is also the most expensive part of the project, and figuring out the financing and tolling aspects took a while. I think both states moved at a reasonable speed on what they could with the ORX river bridge project. With any luck, Kentucky and Tennessee will have their other sections between Mayfield and Dyersburg completed and signed as I-69 by 2031, but I wouldn't count on the TN portion.

It will be years before TnDOT redoes the US-51 ramps at Fulton, but that is Tennessee.

Having been over those bridges in Evansville several times, those creaky spans definitely need an alternative. I am pretty excited about the ORX project (as well as the new Cairo Bridge downriver)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 07, 2023, 12:42:26 PM
To help visualize the construction at the I-69/I-465 work zone, here's a schematic of the interchange. Although I posted this image last May, it may be of interest to some to see it again.

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Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team

As can be seen, the interchange features only four bridges – two flyovers of I-465; one for the northbound ramp to I-465W, going over the southbound ramp from I-465W; and the NB ramp over the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street.

Walsh-Milestone, as part of its winning proposal, put forth 18 Alternative Technical Concepts (ATC). Some were mentioned in the proposal, others were redacted. It's very likely most of the ATCs, if not all, were accepted by INDOT.

Among the more significant of the ATCs was beginning the SB I-69 ramp from I-465W just past (that is, west of) the inner loop bridge over Harding Street. To make this work, the entire beltway in the vicinity of the system interchange, including the added lanes, is to shifted eight feet to the south. Another ATC was making the ramp from I-465W to I-69 south go under the I-69 NB ramp to I-465W. Previously, the design was exact opposite, with the SB ramp going over the NB ramp. Also, originally, both flyovers were to be constructed with steel girders, but because of the design change making one of the flyovers shorter, prestressed concrete beams will be utilized on the shorter span instead. Note, too, how the westbound entrance ramp from Harding Street to I-465W runs adjacent to the ramp to SB I-69 for nearly its entirety. If memory serves, that's another modification to the original design.

Walsh-Milestone is quickly ramping up construction. It took three tries – due to uncooperative weather – to shift the eastbound lanes to the westbound roadway, but last weekend it was accomplished. This will allow teams to rubblize mill the pavement of the eastbound lanes and demolish the eastbound mainline bridge spanning the White River.

And, finally, a shout out to FixThe74Sign for posting his dashcam screen grabs. Always nice to see new perspectives of the construction. Thumbs up!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 10, 2023, 12:54:43 AM
A few more construction pictures. Photos were taken Saturday, April 8, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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At the I-69/I-465 system interchange work zone, pile driving for a pier for the northbound I-69 flyover ramp to I-465W; looking east. On the right is the ramp's south abutment, while eastbound I-465 traffic is to the left. The depressed gap between the driven piles and the eastbound traffic was just a few days ago the eastbound lanes of I-465.

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Different perspective of the piles and pile driving rigging; looking east.

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View looking northeast from near the northbound I-69 flyover's south abutment. In the mid-background is a pier (covered in white protective sheeting) for the southbound I-69 flyover ramp from I-465W. The towers of downtown Indianapolis are in the deep background.

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Near the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone, the former eastbound I-465 lanes, where the pavement has been milled; looking west.

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Long range perspective looking northeast from near NB I-69 flyover's south abutment. On the right are the abutments for the bridge that will carry the northbound I-69 ramp to I-465E over the eastbound I-465 Harding Street exit ramp. And, on the left again, a pier for the southbound I-69 flyover from I-465W. This picture gives an idea how large the construction site truly is.

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Closer look.

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The bridge that will carry the northbound I-69 ramp over the southbound I-69 ramp from I-465W; looking northeast. Rather than coming straight through here, the SB ramp will cut diagonally under the bridge, running roughly parallel to the abutment wall on the right. To get a better idea how it will be situated, take a glance at the interchange schematic posted above.

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Same bridge as above, but from a south looking perspective. The Epler Avenue bridge, which will go over the mainline, is in the background.

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Another view of the pile driving site for the NB I-69 flyover to I-465W; looking east. That's a good distance between the piles and the abutment, so we might see steel girders used here.

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The path of the I-69 southbound exit ramp from I-465E; looking slight northweest.

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And to change up for a moment, here's a picture showing some of the wind damage from the night storms of March 31, 2023. This is in Morgan County just north of Martinsville and the Teeters Road I-69 overpass. Up the 19 tornados were confirmed in Indiana as the storm cut through. Five deaths have been reported. One tornado touched down just northeast of the I-69/Liberty Church Road interchange. Although Morgan County and downtown Martinsville suffered some damage, it was the town of Sullivan in Sullivan County, located about 40 miles of Bloomington, where damage was extensive with upwards of 200 homes completely destroyed or significantly damaged. Whiteland in Johnson County also was hit by a tornado which resulted in damage to numerous residences and businesses.




Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 10, 2023, 10:49:23 AM
isn't 69 supposed to be done next year? i.e. mainline complete?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 10, 2023, 11:59:07 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 10, 2023, 10:49:23 AM
isn't 69 supposed to be done next year? i.e. mainline complete?
https://i69finishline.com/maps#construction-start-maps
All the mainline work is listed as either completed or under construction in all 4 counties including the 465 interchange. The only areas shown in blue (2023 start) or green (2024 start) are along 465. It doesn't hint at when the individual sections will be complete, but I wouldn't be surprised at the current pace if the 69 mainline was functionally complete by end of 2023, with the 465 work complete by end of 2024.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 10, 2023, 10:30:58 PM

More pictures. Again, photos were taken Saturday, April 8, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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I-465/White River bridge construction zone in south Indianapolis; looking west. Included as part of the I-69 project, new bridges carrying I-465 over the White River will be constructed. Without actual knowledge, it's impossible to tell how old these bridges are. Although the piers and girders look to be good shape, they'll most likely be coming down. I say "most likely" because there's a chance the bridges will be rehabbed, then widened, but I doubt that's the plan. The new bridges are planned to carry four lanes of I-465 in each direction, as opposed to the current three.

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Horses! About a quarter mile east of White River and the I-465 bridges, I was surprised to come across this scene in the Sunshine Gardens neighborhood. There were five total in the enclosure, three of which are pictured. I-465 is in the background.

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The view from the Smith Valley Road overpass in Johnson County; looking north. Still quite a bit of work to do on the northbound lanes, then again, the 2023 construction season is just now getting into high gear.

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And here's the view in the other direction; looking south. In this vicinity, there doesn't seem to be space for a proper median, so that leads me to think we'll be seeing a concrete barrier wall constructed instead.

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Perspective looking south from the Smith Valley overpass using the long range lens. The SR 144 overpass and interchange is in the deep background.

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Looking northeast toward the Smith Valley Road overpass from the future interchange's western roundabout. With the pink string line in place (next to the form), concrete will soon be flowing here.

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Another look south from the Smith Valley overpass.

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And another, from a slightly different vantage point.

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More expansive view looking slightly northeast toward the Smith Valley Road overpass.

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Another look north from Smith Valley. On the right is the MSE retaining wall to support the interchange's northbound entrance ramp.

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Looking east from the overpass toward Smith Valley Road. In recent years it's become a heavily traveled arterial. You gotta wonder how long before it's widened to four lanes.

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Another look at the White River/I-465 work zone; looking west. I would have taken some closer shots, but security was present – an off duty Johnson County sheriff deputy – and he said don't go down there, so I didn't.

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And, here's one more picture of the pile driving rigging at the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone; looking east.

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One more looking south from the Smith Valley Road overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 11, 2023, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 10, 2023, 10:30:58 PM

More pictures. Again, photos were taken Saturday, April 8, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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I-465/White River bridge construction zone in south Indianapolis; looking west. Included as part of the I-69 project, new bridges carrying I-465 over the White River will be constructed. Without actual knowledge, it's impossible to tell how old these bridges are. Although the piers and girders look to be good shape, they'll most likely be coming down. I say "most likely" because there's a chance the bridges will be rehabbed, then widened, but I doubt that's the plan. The new bridges are planned to carry four lanes of I-465 in each direction, as opposed to the current three.


The piers were built in late 1960 and finished in 1961,
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 17, 2023, 08:50:21 AM
i wonder what the name of the old portion of 37 will be called between epler and harding.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on April 17, 2023, 05:24:38 PM
Probably Old State Road 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 17, 2023, 05:29:39 PM
Just a thought: Epler-Harding Connector Road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 17, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
come on we can think of a better name than that !  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 17, 2023, 08:22:50 PM
Here's a unique name that has never been used before - MLK Blvd, Veterans Blvd, etc.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 17, 2023, 08:43:55 PM
Here's another thought. Literally no one will actually have an address on that stretch of road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 18, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 17, 2023, 08:43:55 PM
Here's another thought. Literally no one will actually have an address on that stretch of road.

There are no access points on that stretch of road. Not even sure why it even needs to be left there. Just remove it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 18, 2023, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on April 18, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 17, 2023, 08:43:55 PM
Here's another thought. Literally no one will actually have an address on that stretch of road.

There are no access points on that stretch of road. Not even sure why it even needs to be left there. Just remove it.
There will still be a lot of through traffic on that road that would need to burden I-465 and new I-69 with some out of direction traffic if it were removed. It looks OK to stay in place.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on April 18, 2023, 05:42:36 PM
Yeah, and Harding Street is a major road north of I-465 so leaving it at that size helps too. I think from that particular point on the new I-69 the quickest way to Downtown Indianapolis would be straight on Harding up to I-70 or Washington Street. Frankly, nothing needs to be officially "signed" along that roadway. Put up a sign saying "TO Harding St" and "TO Epler Ave" at the intersections with Epler and Harding respectively. The only problem I see is if something actually happens on that stretch of road, you'd have to tell the emergency officials something I guess. For whatever its worth, the Finish Line project seems to indicate that it'll be Old SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 18, 2023, 09:15:48 PM

Does anyone know what the standard lane width is on I-465?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jlam on April 18, 2023, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 18, 2023, 09:15:48 PM
Does anyone know what the standard lane width is on I-465?
Measuring it on Google Maps, it appears to be an interstate-standard 12 feet.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 19, 2023, 08:24:26 AM
anything lower than 12 would not be allowed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 19, 2023, 11:17:19 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on April 19, 2023, 08:24:26 AM
anything lower than 12 would not be allowed.
Texas says hi.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 19, 2023, 11:47:45 AM
Quote from: jlam on April 18, 2023, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: ITB on April 18, 2023, 09:15:48 PM
Does anyone know what the standard lane width is on I-465?
Measuring it on Google Maps, it appears to be an interstate-standard 12 feet.

Well, I guess that's one way to measure it. Twelve feet is, of course, the minimum standard for an interstate highway lane. But since I-465 could be considered an urban interstate, I was wondering whether the lanes might be bumped up to 13 feet. At any rate, at the 12 feet standard, a 4-lane cross section of I-465 with the 10 foot shoulders would equal 68 feet (10' + 12' +12' + 12' +12' +10'). And at 13 feet per lane it would be 72 feet, just four feet wider.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 19, 2023, 12:27:42 PM
Are there other examples of 13 foot lanes being used, other than when lane widths widen due to curves (usually on narrower 2 lane roads, or double lane loop ramps) or being the standard 16 ft single lane ramps?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 19, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 19, 2023, 12:27:42 PM
Are there other examples of 13 foot lanes being used, other than when lane widths widen due to curves (usually on narrower 2 lane roads, or double lane loop ramps) or being the standard 16 ft single lane ramps?

I'd be interested in knowing, too, of examples of 13 foot lanes. This FHWA interstate system fact-sheet (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/50size.cfm) states: "A generation ago, highway lanes were built 9 or 10 feet wide. Those on the Interstate System today are 12 or 13 feet wide." So, in some capacity, 13 foot lanes are part of the interstate system, but where and to what extent?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on April 19, 2023, 06:52:21 PM
I've seen examples of 14 and 16-foot wide concrete slabs laid down, with the intention that the outside rumble strips are in the same block of pavement as the main travel lanes (presumably it holds up better there). I've also seen wider lanes used with a single-lane ramp, that then narrow down to 12-foot when another lane merges with it. I'll also occasionally see a 14' outer lane if it butts right up with a curb.

In general I don't frequently see wider than 12' lanes, but I do frequently see 11' or 11'6" lanes used. Wider lanes get expensive in terms of ROW and materials, and when the default maximum width is 8'6" (exception obviously being an "oversize load"), a wider-than-12' lane is generally unnecessary.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 19, 2023, 09:39:16 PM
^ I believe 16 foot is the standard for a single-lane ramp.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on April 20, 2023, 08:16:58 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 19, 2023, 09:39:16 PM
^ I believe 16 foot is the standard for a single-lane ramp.

it is, at least in indiana it is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 20, 2023, 03:05:30 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on April 19, 2023, 06:52:21 PM
I've seen examples of 14 and 16-foot wide concrete slabs laid down, with the intention that the outside rumble strips are in the same block of pavement as the main travel lanes (presumably it holds up better there). I've also seen wider lanes used with a single-lane ramp, that then narrow down to 12-foot when another lane merges with it. I'll also occasionally see a 14' outer lane if it butts right up with a curb.

In general I don't frequently see wider than 12' lanes, but I do frequently see 11' or 11'6" lanes used. Wider lanes get expensive in terms of ROW and materials, and when the default maximum width is 8'6" (exception obviously being an "oversize load"), a wider-than-12' lane is generally unnecessary.

We did several sections in IL where the outer lane slab was 14' but striped at 12', to reduce loading stress at the outer edge. One of them has no rumble strips (I-80 from MP 115 to 122) because the outside shoulder was built as pavement and was to be converted to a third lane at some point and they got a reprieve from FHWA to not install the rumbles. It's directly west of the section of I-80 thru the Joliet area that is now being reconstructed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on April 20, 2023, 04:39:40 PM
In Texas, the design criteria for a Mobility Corridor (5 R) stipulates a minimum 13 foot lane width. Access the TX 2022-2 online design manual notice (Effective Date: December 19, 2022 ) and its Mobility Corridor specs here. (http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/rdw/roadway_design_criteria.htm)

Aside from the above and another SH project in TX, which has proposed 13 feet outer and inner lanes, and 12 feet lanes between them (I've unsuccessfully tried to find the page again, so no link), I'm not finding much of anything regarding 13 foot lanes on the interstate system. The only place I can think of where they might be found is in an heavily traveled urban setting or, in, perhaps, the mountains somewhere where a 13 foot lane width was utilized to enhance safety.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Maybe usual on a surface road. Not usual on a 70 mph urban interstate highway with trucks and cars moving that close at very high speed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on April 21, 2023, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Maybe usual on a surface road. Not usual on a 70 mph urban interstate highway with trucks and cars moving that close at very high speed.
When space is tight and design standards can't be met, the safety factors usually point in the direction of maximizing the shoulder instead of preserving the 12' pavement width, but anything under 11' for a lane for a limited access highway with trucks has safety implications of its own, and is usually avoided except in the most extremely constrained conditions.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: skluth on April 21, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Maybe usual on a surface road. Not usual on a 70 mph urban interstate highway with trucks and cars moving that close at very high speed.

An urban interstate should not have a 70 mph speed limit
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: skluth on April 21, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Maybe usual on a surface road. Not usual on a 70 mph urban interstate highway with trucks and cars moving that close at very high speed.

An urban interstate should not have a 70 mph speed limit
70 mph is perfectly fine on an urban interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on April 21, 2023, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: skluth on April 21, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Maybe usual on a surface road. Not usual on a 70 mph urban interstate highway with trucks and cars moving that close at very high speed.

An urban interstate should not have a 70 mph speed limit
70 mph is perfectly fine on an urban interstate.
The speed limit on an urban freeway should be set based on its design.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on April 21, 2023, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: skluth on April 21, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 21, 2023, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 20, 2023, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

They are dangerous? I get it if they were like 9 feet, but 11 feet is not an unusual width IMO.
Maybe usual on a surface road. Not usual on a 70 mph urban interstate highway with trucks and cars moving that close at very high speed.

An urban interstate should not have a 70 mph speed limit
70 mph is perfectly fine on an urban interstate.
The speed limit on an urban freeway should be set based on its design.
I agree, not a blanket "acceptable"  urban speed of 55, 60, or 65 mph.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: DJStephens on April 23, 2023, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.
Believe this has been done, both in Austin, and in el Paso.  The "on the cheap" adding of a fourth travel lane, on I-10, E of McRae (Exit 28, I-10)  was done in this fashion.  They apparently got an exception to not have a full L shoulder on this stretch, there is only about 2 feet from L inner yellow line to base of double faced CBR. I don't believe he was involved, but it screams "Pete Rahn".   A lot of design regression clearly visible in El Paso District.   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 23, 2023, 05:31:52 PM
^ I believe I-35E north of Dallas was also lane width reduced for widening.

The ongoing Loop 1604 (effectively an urban interstate highway) widening in north San Antonio calls for 11 ft lanes in some areas to squeeze within the existing right of way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on April 24, 2023, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 20, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
Texas has actually reduced widths on certain urban interstates and freeways to 11 ft to cut down costs... very dangerous.

The 35E widening from Denton south to 635 has 11 ft lanes but that was always intended as a temporary measure Phase 2 is underway and those lanes are supposed to end up as standard 12ft widths.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on April 27, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 17, 2023, 08:22:50 PM
Here's a unique name that has never been used before - MLK Blvd, Veterans Blvd, etc.
I know you're being sarcastic, but Indy already has A Dr. Marlin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard, to the Northwest of Downtown, from West Street at North Street & Indiana Avenue, to Michigan Road at 38h Street near the Indianapolis Museum of Art at Oldfields.

Perhaps the section of what will become former SR 37 between Harding & Epler could be named after some USELESS politician, since we here in Indiana have an overabundance of those.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on April 27, 2023, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on April 27, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 17, 2023, 08:22:50 PM
Here's a unique name that has never been used before - MLK Blvd, Veterans Blvd, etc.
I know you're being sarcastic, but Indy already has A Dr. Marlin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard, to the Northwest of Downtown, from West Street at North Street & Indiana Avenue, to Michigan Road at 38h Street near the Indianapolis Museum of Art at Oldfields.
Easy fix - MLK Parkway.

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Perhaps the section of what will become former SR 37 between Harding & Epler could be named after some USELESS politician, since we here in Indiana have an overabundance of those.
Yes! How could I forget this. Be sure to add "Memorial Parkway"  at the end too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on April 27, 2023, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on April 27, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 17, 2023, 08:22:50 PM
Here's a unique name that has never been used before - MLK Blvd, Veterans Blvd, etc.
I know you're being sarcastic, but Indy already has A Dr. Marlin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard, to the Northwest of Downtown, from West Street at North Street & Indiana Avenue, to Michigan Road at 38h Street near the Indianapolis Museum of Art at Oldfields.

Perhaps the section of what will become former SR 37 between Harding & Epler could be named after some USELESS politician, since we here in Indiana have an overabundance of those.

I would probably name it after the Fletcher Family who created Sunshine Gardens on Epler. It used to be the Fletcher Farm and they created the first suburban development on it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It looks like someone at Google Maps jumped the gun and labeled SR-37 all the way to I-465 as I-69. I know a long time ago we used to be able to submit corrections but I don't think they've had that option recently.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It looks like someone at Google Maps jumped the gun and labeled SR-37 all the way to I-465 as I-69. I know a long time ago we used to be able to submit corrections but I don't think they've had that option recently.
In the old times Google Mapmaker existed to allow user input and there were Google Maps Regional Leads (like myself) that kept the map data in check - then Google decided they didn't want direct user input any more after a few cases of map vandalism.  There is a way to submit limited changes directly from the Google Maps interface but it has a low chance of being acted upon -- right click on the map where the problem is and select "Report a data problem".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It looks like someone at Google Maps jumped the gun and labeled SR-37 all the way to I-465 as I-69. I know a long time ago we used to be able to submit corrections but I don't think they've had that option recently.
In the old times Google Mapmaker existed to allow user input and there were Google Maps Regional Leads (like myself) that kept the map data in check - then Google decided they didn't want direct user input any more after a few cases of map vandalism.  There is a way to submit limited changes directly from the Google Maps interface but it has a low chance of being acted upon -- right click on the map where the problem is and select "Report a data problem".

map vandalism? what exactly do you mean?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It looks like someone at Google Maps jumped the gun and labeled SR-37 all the way to I-465 as I-69. I know a long time ago we used to be able to submit corrections but I don't think they've had that option recently.
In the old times Google Mapmaker existed to allow user input and there were Google Maps Regional Leads (like myself) that kept the map data in check - then Google decided they didn't want direct user input any more after a few cases of map vandalism.  There is a way to submit limited changes directly from the Google Maps interface but it has a low chance of being acted upon -- right click on the map where the problem is and select "Report a data problem".

map vandalism? what exactly do you mean?
It was a long time ago but I believe someone drew some obscene images using road segments in a remote location.  After that happened a few times Google shut mapmaker down.   This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It looks like someone at Google Maps jumped the gun and labeled SR-37 all the way to I-465 as I-69. I know a long time ago we used to be able to submit corrections but I don't think they've had that option recently.
In the old times Google Mapmaker existed to allow user input and there were Google Maps Regional Leads (like myself) that kept the map data in check - then Google decided they didn't want direct user input any more after a few cases of map vandalism.  There is a way to submit limited changes directly from the Google Maps interface but it has a low chance of being acted upon -- right click on the map where the problem is and select "Report a data problem".

map vandalism? what exactly do you mean?
It was a long time ago but I believe someone drew some obscene images using road segments in a remote location.  After that happened a few times Google shut mapmaker down.   This is why we can't have nice things.

This was the tipping point that shut it all down:  https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/google-temporarily-shuts-down-map-maker-due-to-vandalism/

It's a shame it came to that as Google Mapmaker allowed us to keep the map current and accurate.  I personally mapped all the interchanges on the new US 31 Freeway in Hamilton county as they happened, keeping the map updated almost real time.   That's no longer possible.  All I can do now is get frustrated at how inaccurate the map is and submit the occasional edit in the maps interface that usually gets ignored.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 08, 2023, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 08, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on May 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It looks like someone at Google Maps jumped the gun and labeled SR-37 all the way to I-465 as I-69. I know a long time ago we used to be able to submit corrections but I don't think they've had that option recently.
In the old times Google Mapmaker existed to allow user input and there were Google Maps Regional Leads (like myself) that kept the map data in check - then Google decided they didn't want direct user input any more after a few cases of map vandalism.  There is a way to submit limited changes directly from the Google Maps interface but it has a low chance of being acted upon -- right click on the map where the problem is and select "Report a data problem".

map vandalism? what exactly do you mean?
It was a long time ago but I believe someone drew some obscene images using road segments in a remote location.  After that happened a few times Google shut mapmaker down.   This is why we can't have nice things.

This was the tipping point that shut it all down:  https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/google-temporarily-shuts-down-map-maker-due-to-vandalism/

It's a shame it came to that as Google Mapmaker allowed us to keep the map current and accurate.  I personally mapped all the interchanges on the new US 31 Freeway in Hamilton county as they happened, keeping the map updated almost real time.   That's no longer possible.  All I can do now is get frustrated at how inaccurate the map is and submit the occasional edit in the maps interface that usually gets ignored.

I remember that one lol. Got a good laugh out of it back then.

I'm not bothering to submit a correction because they'll probably just ignore me anyways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 08, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Since we are all questioning the labeling of Google Maps for stating I-69 goes up all the way to I-465, has anyone seen the new 2024 Rand McNally map to see where they have "officially" put the I-69 label for next year?  My thought is that they would go up to IN 144 but the road actually should be up to the last couple of miles shy of I-465 by the time 2024 starts.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on May 08, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on May 08, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Since we are all questioning the labeling of Google Maps for stating I-69 goes up all the way to I-465, has anyone seen the new 2024 Rand McNally map to see where they have "officially" put the I-69 label for next year?  My thought is that they would go up to IN 144 but the road actually should be up to the last couple of miles shy of I-465 by the time 2024 starts.

Rand McNally's designation for I-69 doesn't extend beyond the Martinsville Bypass. It ends 12 miles short of 144. Disappointing I know.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 08, 2023, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: I-55 on May 08, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on May 08, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Since we are all questioning the labeling of Google Maps for stating I-69 goes up all the way to I-465, has anyone seen the new 2024 Rand McNally map to see where they have "officially" put the I-69 label for next year?  My thought is that they would go up to IN 144 but the road actually should be up to the last couple of miles shy of I-465 by the time 2024 starts.

Rand McNally's designation for I-69 doesn't extend beyond the Martinsville Bypass. It ends 12 miles short of 144. Disappointing I know.

RM 2023 edition still shows most of NC 74 in the Triad as under construction despite a large section opened a few years ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on May 08, 2023, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 08, 2023, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: I-55 on May 08, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on May 08, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Since we are all questioning the labeling of Google Maps for stating I-69 goes up all the way to I-465, has anyone seen the new 2024 Rand McNally map to see where they have "officially" put the I-69 label for next year?  My thought is that they would go up to IN 144 but the road actually should be up to the last couple of miles shy of I-465 by the time 2024 starts.

Rand McNally's designation for I-69 doesn't extend beyond the Martinsville Bypass. It ends 12 miles short of 144. Disappointing I know.

RM 2023 edition still shows most of NC 74 in the Triad as under construction despite a large section opened a few years ago.

Yeah about that... 2024 atlas only has it complete from 421 to 311. There's several projects where they are behind.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on May 10, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
This upcoming planned closure along I-465 between I-70 and I-65 on the southwest side is pissing me off. I would frankly like to know EXACTLY what they are planning on doing with the interstate closed for what appears to be two and a half weeks in June and July. As I see it, the traffic has already been shifted and they are already working on the eastbound lanes and the new I-69 interchange and it appears that progress is ongoing. What does closing the eastbound lanes of 465 accomplish to that goal and what can they get done in that time span? And why are they closing the westbound lanes too? Aren't they doing the westbound next year?

There are already tons of trucks and cars on that highway at the rush hours and I-70 on the west side can't handle all of that plus the I-70 traffic. I'm being a little hyperbolic but they are going to paralyze half the city with this project. There better be something really good out of this closure and I kind of wish the Finish Line people could explain it better. Drainage? The I-69 interchange? Those won't be complete this summer. These people have been very efficient in their project and have done a very good job, I just wish there was a better justification for this upcoming paralysis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 10, 2023, 10:08:05 PM
We really need some input from a Rand McNally cartographer in the forum.

The last one I talked to (many moons ago) used to complain about how many years it takes to get a road built.

They would show the lines on the state map denoting "under construction" but if the state stopped the work, should RM remove the UC notation, should they keep it, or show nothing?

Back in the 60's and 70's it was easier becuase so many new interstates were being built, but when the buildouts gradually slowed down in the mid to late 70's, they had to go back and remove a lot of "proposed" and "under construction" notations.

Don't know what the rules are today, hence we need a RM employee (or retired) to update the audience.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RIndy on May 22, 2023, 12:51:18 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 10, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
This upcoming planned closure along I-465 between I-70 and I-65 on the southwest side is pissing me off. I would frankly like to know EXACTLY what they are planning on doing with the interstate closed for what appears to be two and a half weeks in June and July. As I see it, the traffic has already been shifted and they are already working on the eastbound lanes and the new I-69 interchange and it appears that progress is ongoing. What does closing the eastbound lanes of 465 accomplish to that goal and what can they get done in that time span? And why are they closing the westbound lanes too? Aren't they doing the westbound next year?

There are already tons of trucks and cars on that highway at the rush hours and I-70 on the west side can't handle all of that plus the I-70 traffic. I'm being a little hyperbolic but they are going to paralyze half the city with this project. There better be something really good out of this closure and I kind of wish the Finish Line people could explain it better. Drainage? The I-69 interchange? Those won't be complete this summer. These people have been very efficient in their project and have done a very good job, I just wish there was a better justification for this upcoming paralysis.
You're right, this will be bad. You thought the north split downtown was bad, this could be worse. The problem is both east bound and west bound needs a complete rebuilt. Its not the drainage, its everything. West bound is closed long enough to redo to make three lanes both directions to work so the I-69 will come in. The first bridge closest to east bound is being built. West bound will take both directions at the end of July. Added temporary lanes to the west bound is needed, to make work through next year then shift to the east bound on the newly built lanes and new bridges. INDOT is doing this to make safe for the current highway workers. The current traffic makes this harder to keep workers safe. As for 70 and 65, yea it will be bad, congested traffic and worse. Maybe taking 465 north go around the city the northern part of 465 would be better, its a long way off but maybe not as congested than going through downtown route. Its just two months, not two years. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on May 22, 2023, 11:25:21 AM
QuoteMaybe taking 465 north go around the city the northern part of 465 would be better, its a long way off but maybe not as congested than going through downtown route.

And get caught up in the Clear Path work on the NorthEast side  :-D

If only the 465 and 65 interchange on the west side had a 65 North to 465 South ramp....
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on May 22, 2023, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: RIndy on May 22, 2023, 12:51:18 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on May 10, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
This upcoming planned closure along I-465 between I-70 and I-65 on the southwest side is pissing me off. I would frankly like to know EXACTLY what they are planning on doing with the interstate closed for what appears to be two and a half weeks in June and July. As I see it, the traffic has already been shifted and they are already working on the eastbound lanes and the new I-69 interchange and it appears that progress is ongoing. What does closing the eastbound lanes of 465 accomplish to that goal and what can they get done in that time span? And why are they closing the westbound lanes too? Aren't they doing the westbound next year?

There are already tons of trucks and cars on that highway at the rush hours and I-70 on the west side can't handle all of that plus the I-70 traffic. I'm being a little hyperbolic but they are going to paralyze half the city with this project. There better be something really good out of this closure and I kind of wish the Finish Line people could explain it better. Drainage? The I-69 interchange? Those won't be complete this summer. These people have been very efficient in their project and have done a very good job, I just wish there was a better justification for this upcoming paralysis.
You're right, this will be bad. You thought the north split downtown was bad, this could be worse. The problem is both east bound and west bound needs a complete rebuilt. Its not the drainage, its everything. West bound is closed long enough to redo to make three lanes both directions to work so the I-69 will come in. The first bridge closest to east bound is being built. West bound will take both directions at the end of July. Added temporary lanes to the west bound is needed, to make work through next year then shift to the east bound on the newly built lanes and new bridges. INDOT is doing this to make safe for the current highway workers. The current traffic makes this harder to keep workers safe. As for 70 and 65, yea it will be bad, congested traffic and worse. Maybe taking 465 north go around the city the northern part of 465 would be better, its a long way off but maybe not as congested than going through downtown route. Its just two months, not two years.
A big part of the decision for a full closure of south leg I-465 is due to the fact that the complete rebuild/widening of I-465 between I-70 and I-65 will take place within 2 construction seasons (2023 and 2024), which is a very aggressive timeline for such work. Closing the freeway to traffic for several weeks will enable the contractor to condense the schedule on critical tasks that would not otherwise be possible if the road were kept open. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 29, 2023, 04:20:14 PM

Took some more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, May 28, 2023, unless otherwise indicated.

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Looking east toward the future I-465 eastbound mainline. In the mid-foreground are the pier and south abutment for the flyover that will carry I-69 north to I-465 west. Further back is a section of the flyover that will carry I-465 west to I-69 south.

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Another perspective; looking northeast.

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And another view, again looking east.

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Future ramp from I-465 east to I-69 south; looking east.

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Different perspective of the ramp; looking slightly southeast. Just around the bend the ramp ends at a huge pile of dirt.

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Turning around, here's the ramp as it diverges away from I-465 east; looking west.

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And, the mid-background left, here's that pile of dirt referenced above; looking northwest from the new Epler Avenue overpass. In the foreground is the massive surcharge that has yet to be removed.

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This gives a better idea of how large the surcharge is. It's looks to be about 15 feet thick and larger than a football field. Sometime this summer, I imagine, they'll get around to removing it. Now where they plan to put all that dirt, I don't know. Possible they might build a little mountain nearby.

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The view looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass.

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Closer look at the flyover section that will carry traffic from I-465 west to I-69 south. The eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street will run between that section and the pictured abutment just to the right. It will then go under the bridge pictured further back. That bridge will carry I-69 north to I-465 east.

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This was one looonnnggg pole, probably around 150 feet.

Here again is the interchange schematic to give a better idea of what the photos depict:

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Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on May 29, 2023, 07:14:14 PM
Definitely making good use of the weather we have had over the past week or so.  I did not realize that they had already moved this far along.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 07:31:26 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Indianapolis,+IN/@39.6916369,-86.1913407,16z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x886b50ffa7796a03:0xd68e9df640b9ea7c!8m2!3d39.768403!4d-86.158068!16zL20vMGZ0eHc?entry=ttu
Googlemaps shows I-69 completed up to the Beltway.

According to GSV it's not the case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on May 29, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 07:31:26 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Indianapolis,+IN/@39.6916369,-86.1913407,16z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x886b50ffa7796a03:0xd68e9df640b9ea7c!8m2!3d39.768403!4d-86.158068!16zL20vMGZ0eHc?entry=ttu
Googlemaps shows I-69 completed up to the Beltway.

According to GSV it's not the case.

According to this entire thread (including the post literally above yours), that's clearly not the case.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 10:18:28 PM
May 23 is the last sweep the Google car made of SR 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 07:31:26 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Indianapolis,+IN/@39.6916369,-86.1913407,16z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x886b50ffa7796a03:0xd68e9df640b9ea7c!8m2!3d39.768403!4d-86.158068!16zL20vMGZ0eHc?entry=ttu
Googlemaps shows I-69 completed up to the Beltway.

According to GSV it’s not the case.

According to this entire thread (including the post literally above yours), that's clearly not the case.

Under construction don’t count as completed.
https://goo.gl/maps/jExp3mmZ1TJG76Q86
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on May 29, 2023, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 29, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 07:31:26 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Indianapolis,+IN/@39.6916369,-86.1913407,16z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x886b50ffa7796a03:0xd68e9df640b9ea7c!8m2!3d39.768403!4d-86.158068!16zL20vMGZ0eHc?entry=ttu
Googlemaps shows I-69 completed up to the Beltway.

According to GSV it's not the case.

According to this entire thread (including the post literally above yours), that's clearly not the case.

Under construction don't count as completed.
https://goo.gl/maps/jExp3mmZ1TJG76Q86

That section of SR-37 will not be part of I-69. It is mislabeled on Google Maps.

The actual I-69 route will be to the west, with a flyover interchange at the beltway. The image of this render is the very last image in the post immediately before your first comment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 10:59:00 PM
My point was that Google was wrong about labeling.  As sometimes they are. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 11:02:26 PM
Anyway I see what you mean here https://goo.gl/maps/TPbrzTNg9dyaBQpK7
That compliments the photos above.^^^^^


Plus here on SR 37 and future I- 69.
https://goo.gl/maps/Mbm3Fsc3JX4rPu5b9
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 30, 2023, 12:31:13 AM
Looks like that viaduct to the quarry on the north side of I-465 is about to see its demise after 62 years!

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 30, 2023, 12:41:10 AM
More pictures. Again, photos were taken Sunday, May 28, 2023, unless otherwise identified.

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Walsh Construction field office on W. Thompson Road in Indianapolis about a 1/2 mile west of the SR 37/Thompson Road intersection. The building and lot was formerly the Stoops Used Truck Center.

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Looking west along W. Thompson Road. The entrance to the Walsh facility is located where the crane is positioned. Not a good photo due to the position of the sun; it is what it is.

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W. Thompson Road; looking east. This area is primarily light industrial with many businesses revolving around the trucking industry.

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Signage near the I-465/Harding Street interchange; looking south from just north of the interchange. In an attempt to take some pictures of the pile driving underway (crane, background) for the new eastbound I-465 mainline bridge over Harding Street, I ended up near where this photo was taken. Earlier, looking for a place to park, I noticed what seemed like an old, abandoned motel near the southeast quadrant of the interchange. Motoring in I discovered to my dismay the squat one-story structures were instead being used as housing of some sort. Lordy. Talk about sketchy. There were a few people out and about, folks that seemed to experiencing what might kindly be called, "issues." One guy was passed out on the walk near the entrance to a unit. On Google maps it called the Knights Inn. Needless to say, I did a quick turnaround and zipped out. I never did find a good place to park. Maybe next time I'll try a truck stop.

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The view looking west from near the end of W. Thompson Road. Again, a crappy photo, but it does depict the future eastbound exit ramp from I-465 to Harding Street. It's on the right, and goes underneath the bridge in the mid-background. That bridge will carry the ramp from I-69 north to I-465 east. In the deep background right is a section of the flyover that will carry the ramp from I-465 west to I-69 south.

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Here's a long range view of those bridges from the other direction; looking east. The bridge over the Harding Street ramp is in background center, and can be better seen when the photo is expanded.

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Drainage infrastructure near the future I-69 north to I-465 west flyover; looking north.

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Another view of the Walsh field office.

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The large pier for the future flyover from I-69 north to I-465 east; looking north. The steel girders, which will be used to construct the flyover, should be arriving on site in the not too distant future.

One more set of photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on May 30, 2023, 04:41:36 PM
Another set. Photos were taken Sunday, May 28, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

Smith Valley Road interchange, Johnson County


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Looking south from the Smith Valley Road overpass. As depicted, paving with PCC is well underway on the future northbound roadway.

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Slightly different vantage point.

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And another, looking slightly southwest. At this time of year in Indiana, the sun sets well after 9 pm. However, due to the partial cloud cover, it was darker than normal.

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The view looking north from the Smith Valley Road overpass.

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Expansion joint on the overpass; looking southeast.

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Section of future Smith Valley Road; looking east toward the interchange's western roundabout.

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And here's the roundabout; looking east.

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The roundabout is actually more teardrop shaped than round, with the interior curb featuring a pointed tip; looking west.

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Long range shot looking south.

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And another view.

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One more look at the approach to the western roundabout; looking east.

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One last view looking south.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on May 30, 2023, 07:06:31 PM
For those interested in the history of Indiana,

This link will show you where the I-69 work falls either across or on top of the route of the Central Canal from 1835.

It was dug as far as Waverly but not watered. Ed Fujawa has painstakenly retraced the original route. The red line overlays the original route of the canal.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1JUye8cFmbLvP4GR2Nzh7CUJc3l9DTBQT&ll=39.60362767232244%2C-86.22116133520082&z=15 (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1JUye8cFmbLvP4GR2Nzh7CUJc3l9DTBQT&ll=39.60362767232244%2C-86.22116133520082&z=15)

The image below is from same map, showing where the canal crossed Smith Valley Road.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on June 01, 2023, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 30, 2023, 07:06:31 PM
For those interested in the history of Indiana,

This link will show you where the I-69 work falls either across or on top of the route of the Central Canal from 1835.

It was dug as far as Waverly but not watered. Ed Fujawa has painstakenly retraced the original route. The red line overlays the original route of the canal.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1JUye8cFmbLvP4GR2Nzh7CUJc3l9DTBQT&ll=39.60362767232244%2C-86.22116133520082&z=15 (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1JUye8cFmbLvP4GR2Nzh7CUJc3l9DTBQT&ll=39.60362767232244%2C-86.22116133520082&z=15)

The image below is from same map, showing where the canal crossed Smith Valley Road.

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This is really cool! Thanks for sharing!

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
It was MUCH worse yesterday - an hour+ to go from Exit 68 to Exit 80 EB.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on June 06, 2023, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
It was MUCH worse yesterday - an hour+ to go from Exit 68 to Exit 80 EB.
How much longer does it take to go "the long way" /Inner loop/CCW between 70 West Side and 70 East Side or 65 South Side? Is it getting bad enough at rush hour to make that a feasible option?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 06, 2023, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
It was MUCH worse yesterday - an hour+ to go from Exit 68 to Exit 80 EB.
How much longer does it take to go "the long way" /Inner loop/CCW between 70 West Side and 70 East Side or 65 South Side? Is it getting bad enough at rush hour to make that a feasible option?
Easily. This afternoon to go from our house to the circle downtown was almost 2 hours! It was even crazy enough GM had a route suggestion to take 465 up to 74, and cut down via Crawfordsville and 16th down to 65 south.
I think this might get even worse when they reverse the closure in July. Normally it's WB that backs up in the afternoon on 465, so that worries me. But boy, safe to say INDOT made a LOT of people in this city mad. They could've planned this closure a lot better too, it was delivered on a very short notice. We had many months in advance for the North Split and I-69 in Martinsville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 07, 2023, 08:17:01 AM
when is this widening project supposed to be complete?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on June 07, 2023, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 06, 2023, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
It was MUCH worse yesterday - an hour+ to go from Exit 68 to Exit 80 EB.
How much longer does it take to go "the long way" /Inner loop/CCW between 70 West Side and 70 East Side or 65 South Side? Is it getting bad enough at rush hour to make that a feasible option?
Easily. This afternoon to go from our house to the circle downtown was almost 2 hours! It was even crazy enough GM had a route suggestion to take 465 up to 74, and cut down via Crawfordsville and 16th down to 65 south.
I think this might get even worse when they reverse the closure in July. Normally it's WB that backs up in the afternoon on 465, so that worries me. But boy, safe to say INDOT made a LOT of people in this city mad. They could've planned this closure a lot better too, it was delivered on a very short notice. We had many months in advance for the North Split and I-69 in Martinsville.
Any word on how bad traffic is on the northern half of I-465 with the southern leg being closed?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on June 07, 2023, 09:54:49 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 07, 2023, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 06, 2023, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
It was MUCH worse yesterday - an hour+ to go from Exit 68 to Exit 80 EB.
How much longer does it take to go "the long way" /Inner loop/CCW between 70 West Side and 70 East Side or 65 South Side? Is it getting bad enough at rush hour to make that a feasible option?
Easily. This afternoon to go from our house to the circle downtown was almost 2 hours! It was even crazy enough GM had a route suggestion to take 465 up to 74, and cut down via Crawfordsville and 16th down to 65 south.
I think this might get even worse when they reverse the closure in July. Normally it's WB that backs up in the afternoon on 465, so that worries me. But boy, safe to say INDOT made a LOT of people in this city mad. They could've planned this closure a lot better too, it was delivered on a very short notice. We had many months in advance for the North Split and I-69 in Martinsville.
Any word on how bad traffic is on the northern half of I-465 with the southern leg being closed?

no change. normal backups due to construction and not enough lanes on the north side, that's it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 07, 2023, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 07, 2023, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 06, 2023, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 06, 2023, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 06, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
Well, the closure of I-465 eastbound between I-70 and I-65 is underway. And as expected I-70 is experiencing what I would call "Race Day" traffic heading east into downtown. From I-465 to the South Split at this moment is 37 minutes to travel 7 miles. It's been well into the 40+ minute range at peak times. Sam Jones Exwy/Raymond Street heading east is no better and a poor substitute. I see traffic backing up along SR 144 a couple of miles west of I-69 due to detoured traffic. To be fair I think the detour is fine out of peak traffic times but if anyone is passing through Indianapolis in the afternoon from west to east I would highly recommend changing your route or your timing.

Notably, the I-69 Finish Line social media pages have been very quiet. Their website has the weekly update on it but there's nothing on Facebook or Twitter. They know that they are absolutely going to get it from the public right now if they put something up.

I keep watching the stretch of I-465 between US 31 and I-65, I wonder if anything significant is going to be happening there during this closure.
It was MUCH worse yesterday - an hour+ to go from Exit 68 to Exit 80 EB.
How much longer does it take to go "the long way" /Inner loop/CCW between 70 West Side and 70 East Side or 65 South Side? Is it getting bad enough at rush hour to make that a feasible option?
Easily. This afternoon to go from our house to the circle downtown was almost 2 hours! It was even crazy enough GM had a route suggestion to take 465 up to 74, and cut down via Crawfordsville and 16th down to 65 south.
I think this might get even worse when they reverse the closure in July. Normally it's WB that backs up in the afternoon on 465, so that worries me. But boy, safe to say INDOT made a LOT of people in this city mad. They could've planned this closure a lot better too, it was delivered on a very short notice. We had many months in advance for the North Split and I-69 in Martinsville.
Any word on how bad traffic is on the northern half of I-465 with the southern leg being closed?
Northern side has it's own problems, with Clearpath 465 and the soon-to-be construction of the NW side fix.

In other news, another afternoon, 35 mins to go 70E from Exit 68 to 90 (23 miles) right now, and rising.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Captain Jack on June 10, 2023, 12:17:25 PM
I think the surface streets are a better option at this point. Last week from Ft. Wayne to Evansville, I stayed on Binford to Emerson, down to Raymond, then south on Harding into 37-69. I have also done the same route over to Kentucky Avenue and down 67 to Martinsville.

If you avoid downtown, the crosstown surface streets such as Shadeland, 38th, Raymond etc seem to move along pretty well and certainly beat sitting in stopped and crawling traffic on 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on June 12, 2023, 04:08:36 PM
Weekly update from the I69 project:  https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/35fa0d7
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 12, 2023, 04:46:36 PM

The closure of eastbound I-465 between I-70 and Mann Road is now featured on the satellite view of Google maps.

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Google Maps
I-465/SR 67—Kentucky Avenue interchange
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 12, 2023, 05:56:42 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 12, 2023, 04:46:36 PM

The closure of eastbound I-465 between I-70 and Mann Road is now featured on the satellite view of Google maps.

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Google Maps
I-465/SR 67—Kentucky Avenue interchange

Actually, that image is from another time when they closed I-465/74 eastbound. I'm guessing the 2018 project which also closed the eastbound and westbound lanes (at different times each) to do work on the interstate.

That project can be viewed here: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i-465-southwest-project/

If the image you shared was actually from this year you would see the shifted lanes along I-465 and work being along the eastbound lanes (such as new sound barrier walls east of Kentucky Avenue or the rebuilt Mooresville Road bridge.) None of that shows up in this image, so it's almost certainly from 2018.

Quote from: cjw2001 on June 12, 2023, 04:08:36 PM
Weekly update from the I69 project:  https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/35fa0d7

The image on their update looks like the eastbound bridge over Lick Creek east of US 31. I seriously would love to know exactly what's been done so far.

As for me, the trip home has been roughly another ten to fifteen minutes in length. More or less I've traveled Washington Street straight thorough downtown and either take Meridian to I-70 or Washington to I-65. Little bit of a pain but not the worse either. Not that I want to do it forever though!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jakeroot on June 13, 2023, 12:14:56 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 12, 2023, 05:56:42 PM
Actually, that image is from another time when they closed I-465/74 eastbound. I'm guessing the 2018 project which also closed the eastbound and westbound lanes (at different times each) to do work on the interstate.

Google Earth pegs the imagery as taken 31 August 2018, so you nailed it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 13, 2023, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on June 12, 2023, 05:56:42 PM
Actually, that image is from another time when they closed I-465/74 eastbound. I'm guessing the 2018 project which also closed the eastbound and westbound lanes (at different times each) to do work on the interstate.

That project can be viewed here: https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i-465-southwest-project/

If the image you shared was actually from this year you would see the shifted lanes along I-465 and work being along the eastbound lanes (such as new sound barrier walls east of Kentucky Avenue or the rebuilt Mooresville Road bridge.) None of that shows up in this image, so it's almost certainly from 2018.

Yup. I should have checked it out more fully before posting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on June 13, 2023, 12:39:02 PM
Central Avenue wants to do a road trip with me Labor Day weekend; maybe we'll pass through Indy and get drone footage of the 69/465 south junction if the airspace isn't too restricted (looks like it is indeed too restricted).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 16, 2023, 04:05:16 PM
Picture time. Photos were taken Thursday, June 15, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

Motored up to Indy's southside to take some pictures of I-465 during the closure of the eastbound lanes between I-70 and I-65. Plans are to reopen those lanes next week, then close the corresponding westbound lanes for 23 days in July. While there are a couple of quiet areas, the entire work zone is alive with activity. Crews are pushing hard and concrete pavement has been put down both east and west of the I-465/SR-37-Harding Street interchange. More beams also have been placed for the I-465 west to I-69 south flyover. Lots of work still to do and only 18 months to get it done.

Let's go to the pictures.

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Looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass. The two brown poles in the background are where construction of the new eastbound bridge over the White River is underway. Plans are to complete the bridge by the end of the year. Further back work continues on the I-69 interchange.

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Different perspective without the long range lens.

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Another view. The road is Thompson Road which in this vicinity deadends near the open gate. At the bottom of the slope is a small creek called Harmon Ditch. I-465 crosses this creek via a bridge (left), and it appears preps are underway for the eastbound replacement bridge. Either that or a large culvert.

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Pavement slab cut from the eastbound roadway just east of the Mann Road overpass; looking north. Don't quite know what's going on here. Some drainage work might have been done, and now it's being prepped for the replacement concrete.

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The future eastbound lanes of I-465; looking east from just east of the Mann Road overpass.

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The view looking north from the new Epler Avenue overpass. In the background is where I-69 north splits to the ramps for either I-465 east or I-465 west.

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Longer range perspective; looking northwest. They've started gnawing away at the massive surcharge. It's probably take a month if not more to completely remove it. Could be upwards of a thousand articulated dump truck loads. After it's gone, it will be allow a nice view as the interchange takes shape.

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Another view looking east from the Mann Road overpass.

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Looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass. Not much progress in this area recently. State Road 37 is in the background. The location of the two articulated dump trucks in the deep background is roughly where I-69 will veer off toward the new I-465 interchange.

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Here's another view of the large earth surcharge; looking northwest from the Epler Avenue overpass.

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And another from the Mann Road overpass. In Indiana, the muggy summer haze can be thick and heavy.

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What the eye sees.

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Another perspective from the Epler Avenue overpass; looking southeast. Picture eight lanes of interstate coming right through here, starting about where the blue building is in the background.

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One more with the long range lens looking east from the Mann Road overpass. Security for this project is robust. Off duty law enforcement officers in marked vehicles have been posted at several locations in the work zone. All the more so with the temporary closure of the eastbound lanes.

More to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on June 16, 2023, 04:35:59 PM
QuoteIn Indiana, the muggy summer haze can be thick and heavy.

The Canadian wildfires are adding to that haze.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on June 16, 2023, 05:31:53 PM
Great pictures as always. The bulk of the work during this closure seems to be concentrated between 65 and SR 37. It has been fantastic weather the past few weeks for this closure.

That cut out of pavement is weird. I hope they aren't planning on trying to save and re-use the existing pavement and just repairing sections.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 16, 2023, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on June 16, 2023, 04:35:59 PM
QuoteIn Indiana, the muggy summer haze can be thick and heavy.

The Canadian wildfires are adding to that haze.

Very likely.

Quote from: FixThe74Sign on June 16, 2023, 05:31:53 PM
That cut out of pavement is weird. I hope they aren't planning on trying to save and re-use the existing pavement and just repairing sections.

They probably did the cut to do some drainage work. After the temporary concrete patch job completes, it will ready to handle the necessary traffic shifts as work gets underway on the westbound lanes as well as on other sections of the eastbound lanes. When those projects finish and traffic can be shifted back, most likely they'll come back to the area of the cut and rubblize all the old pavement, and then replace with new concrete. That's just my hunch. I don't see this concrete pavement being saved. Of course, I could be completely off track, then again, maybe not.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 16, 2023, 08:22:06 PM
Very shocked we're not seeing more hate on social media regarding the 465 EB closure. I guess people are happy it opens back up on Wednesday. Will be interesting to see how people cope with the westbound closure come July 7th.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 16, 2023, 11:19:33 PM
Few more pictures. Again, photos were taken Thursday, June 15, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

Although the focus of construction has generally shifted to Marion County, contractors Crider & Crider (https://criderandcrider.com/) and Rieth Riley (https://www.rieth-riley.com/), among others, are still hard at work in Johnson County, finishing up Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange as well as paving long stretches of mainline between State Road 144 and Fairview Road. Another area where work is still ongoing is the SR 144 interchange and the mainline bridges over Bluff Creek just to the south.

I-69/State Road 144 interchange, Johnson County

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At 8:15pm, a crew awaits the arrival of the truck bringing concrete to pour an approach slab section for the southbound bridge over Bluff Creek; looking southeast from the State Road 144 overpass.

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View looking north from the SR 144 overpass using the long range lens. The thick haze nearly obscures the Smith Valley Road overpass in the deep background. On the left a paving crews is at work on the southbound right shoulder. In case you're wondering, the BGS in the middle-right reads:

Smith Valley Rd  2   
I-465                10   
Indianapolis      20

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The paving crew at work about a quarter mile north of SR 144 overpass; looking west. It's unusual to shoot directly into the sun, but the thick summer haze, along with Canadian wildfire residue smoke, made it possible.

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More signage, this time looking west toward the eastern roundabout at the I-69/SR 144 interchange.

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Long range view looking south from the SR 144 overpass. Currently, all traffic in this vicinity is running on the northbound lanes. After the southbound paving completes, which will be soon, traffic will be shifted to the newly finished roadway. But it's not clear, to me, how four lanes of traffic will be maintained, as the southbound bridge over Bluff Creek appears just a bit too narrow. Three lanes, yes, four, hmm ... that's really a tight squeeze, if possible at all. Anyway, how MOT is managed when they seal off the northbound roadway to begin work to replace the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek will be, if anything, interesting. It's possible they'll just demo 3/4 of the northbound bridge, leaving one travel lane available.

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Decorative element at the SR 144 overpass; looking west. Seems like a couple of huge planters for trees and bushes, but who knows.

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Another view looking north from the SR 144 overpass. Yeah, guys, we know, it's been a long day.

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Different perspective; looking south from the SR 144 overpass. Later, I noticed the crew busy with the concrete pour, but, alas, it was getting rather late for another stop.

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One more shot looking north from the SR 144 overpass, with the shoulder paving crew on the left.

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Closer look at the paving crew; looking west.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 17, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
I-69 shields and signs are up on WB Southport Road... with a future banner on top of them. That's got to be a first for Indiana for uncovered signs.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Sapphuby on June 17, 2023, 07:27:33 PM
I check up on this thread as often as I can because I get really invested in interstate construction, and I am loving the new info on this. I'm also loving the new photos every time they release, as every once in a while it gets dull when there's not enough info for that time period or nothing happens to be done for a while. I think I was invested in this as much as I was about the Bella Vista bypass when it was being built 2 years ago. It's always fun to hear about new interstate stuff.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on June 17, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on June 17, 2023, 07:27:33 PM
I check up on this thread as often as I can because I get really invested in interstate construction, and I am loving the new info on this. I'm also loving the new photos every time they release, as every once in a while it gets dull when there's not enough info for that time period or nothing happens to be done for a while. I think I was invested in this as much as I was about the Bella Vista bypass when it was being built 2 years ago. It's always fun to hear about new interstate stuff.
If I lived a little closer to Poplar Bluff MO I would consider something similar for I-57 progress, tho I don't have the high quality cameras and lenses, just my iPhone 14

I find new interstate mileage is exciting as well in addition to the construction process
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on June 17, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 17, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on June 17, 2023, 07:27:33 PM
I check up on this thread as often as I can because I get really invested in interstate construction, and I am loving the new info on this. I'm also loving the new photos every time they release, as every once in a while it gets dull when there's not enough info for that time period or nothing happens to be done for a while. I think I was invested in this as much as I was about the Bella Vista bypass when it was being built 2 years ago. It's always fun to hear about new interstate stuff.
If I lived a little closer to Poplar Bluff MO I would consider something similar for I-57 progress, tho I don't have the high quality cameras and lenses, just my iPhone 14

I find new interstate mileage is exciting as well in addition to the construction process

Actually you don't need a fancy SLR body camera to take good pics, your iPhone 14 should work fine. Post away!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 18, 2023, 12:28:51 PM
Looks like most of the I-69 NB to I-465 EB ramp is paved. Unclear how much it goes past the interchange, but my bet is when they connect this ramp into existing SR 37, it will open first.

New BGS up EB for Exit 8 too.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on June 19, 2023, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on June 16, 2023, 11:19:33 PM
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Decorative element at the SR 144 overpass; looking west. Seems like a couple of huge planters for trees and bushes, but who knows.

Definitely bushes. Tree roots would grow so far outwards that they would destroy those foundations.

Quote from: edwaleni on June 17, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Actually you don't need a fancy SLR body camera to take good pics, your iPhone 14 should work fine. Post away!

I was constraining myself with the same idea- I figured my S10e (and later S21) camera wouldn't be good enough to get good pictures of South Dakota's first DDI in progress, so I just gave text descriptions of the progress. That project is now complete, and the new most interesting construction project in the city is Block 5, which wouldn't fit this forum since it's a building.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2023, 05:01:04 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 17, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
I-69 shields and signs are up on WB Southport Road... with a future banner on top of them. That's got to be a first for Indiana for uncovered signs.

Pictures or it didn't happen. :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: westerninterloper on June 23, 2023, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2023, 05:01:04 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 17, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
I-69 shields and signs are up on WB Southport Road... with a future banner on top of them. That's got to be a first for Indiana for uncovered signs.

Pictures or it didn't happen. :-D

I saw it Tuesday on one reassurance shield in the construction zone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on June 24, 2023, 07:05:18 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2023, 05:01:04 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on June 17, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
I-69 shields and signs are up on WB Southport Road... with a future banner on top of them. That's got to be a first for Indiana for uncovered signs.

Pictures or it didn't happen. :-D

Here you go then:

I saw these signs last Saturday and were quite surprised by them as well. So I went and grabbed a few pictures of them today.

These two are on Southport Road approaching future I-69
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This one is at the onramp from County Line Road to future I-69 northbound:
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Now on northbound future I-69 this is a BGS approaching the "now correctly signed" Exit 160 at Southport Road.
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And finally a view of the gore point for Exit 160 off of future northbound I-69 showing the Southport Road overpass in the distance.
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Speaking of the Southport Road area, it seems like most of the work along that road is close to finished and they still have it down to two-lanes around the exit and heading east toward Harding Street. I know during the closure of I-465 east this was a traffic nightmare. It would be kind of nice for the construction people to wrap that up as soon as possible. Then again there maybe something in the way that I'm not seeing as I most definitely am not ITB.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on June 25, 2023, 02:27:10 AM

^^^
Interesting pictures. Thanks for sharing. As for work between Southport Road and Epler Avenue, one big project still to do is the new southbound mainline bridge over Banta Road. That, however, has yet to commence construction, and it's going to take a while to complete. Maybe they'll get it done this year, maybe not. Currently, material is being trucked in to build up the approaches to the bridge. We'll have a better idea of the construction time frame when pile driving gets underway. There's an INDOT traffic cam (https://511in.org/@-87.86316,40.03112,7?show=incidents,normalCameras) positioned at Banta, allowing construction progress to be easily monitored.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on June 26, 2023, 04:58:54 PM
Hopefully construction crews were safe during yesterday's tornado outbreak - one tornado came really close to almost crossing 69's construction.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on June 27, 2023, 09:34:49 AM
INDOT Progress report video on the June I-465 closure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX1uxlRhvsU
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 01, 2023, 01:18:32 AM
Here's a trio of screen shots from INDOT traffic cameras. Usually the cameras live stream at low resolution, but that feature was not available yesterday. Instead, the system reverted to capturing frames, approximately every two minutes, and at decent resolution.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking slightly southeast from near the SR 37/Banta Road underpass in Marion County. In the background is the recently completed Southport Road overpass. On the right is S. Belmont Avenue. In this vicinity, all SR 37 traffic is currently running on the newly completed northbound lanes. There's been progress on the southbound roadway, but, as can be seen, a good deal of work remains.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
This is where the new southbound mainline bridge over Banta Road will be built; looking northeast. Work has been continuing in this area, but it seems as if the new bridge is somewhat of a low priority, as work elsewhere has taken precedence. Unless pile driving commences soon, the bridge likely won't complete this year.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking northwest toward the bridge that carries US 31/East Street over I-465 in Marion County. In this area during the recent eastbound closure, paving crews were at work putting down thousands of yards of concrete, for both the barrier wall and travel lanes. In time, all the old concrete of the eastbound lanes will be rubblized, followed by paving with new concrete.

Only 18 months to go before this project is projected to wrap. In terms of days, there's exactly 550 to go until 2025.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on July 01, 2023, 11:35:08 AM
I'm guessing with the repeated severe weather that Central and Southern Indiana has experienced over the past few days (including a tornado through Greenwood, IN) that work has hit a pause at least for a few days.  Bound to happen since they had  several weeks without rain that allowed a jump in work.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 01, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 01, 2023, 11:35:08 AM
I'm guessing with the repeated severe weather that Central and Southern Indiana has experienced over the past few days (including a tornado through Greenwood, IN) that work has hit a pause at least for a few days.  Bound to happen since they had  several weeks without rain that allowed a jump in work.

The recent stormy weather has undoubtedly affected the pace of construction. There's been some work hours lost, to be sure. How many it's hard to say. On days when inclement weather is expected, team members typically report to work and work proceeds until it is called off. For instance, let's say work commences at 8 am, but heavy thunderstorms roll in at 3pm. In that case, six-plus hours of work, minus breaks, was able to be accomplished. Not quite a full day, but close. And that's how construction work proceeds, day after day. They work until they are unable to. Sometimes bad weather leads to the entire work day being cancelled, but that's not all that common.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 01, 2023, 04:43:06 PM

Couple more screen grabs from INDOT traffic cams.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Great perspective looking north from near the SR 37/Banta Road underpass in Marion County. About where the blue building is located, I-69 will veer left and continue in a northwest direction up to the new interchange with I-465, a distance about a mile. Just prior to the interchange, the lanes will go under Epler Avenue. And visible in the background (left) is the recently completely Epler Avenue overpass, better seen when the picture is expanded.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
View from the Mann Road camera, zoomed in on the traffic near the future I-69 interchange. On the far right, mid-frame, is where construction is underway on the new eastbound bridge over the White River. This significant bridge is projected to complete by the end of the year. Further back is the new, future roadway of the eastbound lanes and the exit ramp to Harding Street. The exit ramp will pass through a gap of the I-465W to I-69S ramp (deep background, right), as well as under the I-69N to I-465W flyover, the girders of which have yet to be placed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 03, 2023, 08:59:43 AM
 :hmmm: will the 465/69 interchange be exit 5 or exit 4a (with harding being 4b)?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on July 03, 2023, 10:55:55 AM
I'm guessing Exit 5. It's far enough away from Harding St., and if I were INDOT I would want a major Interstate-to-Interstate movement to have it's own number instead of one shared with another exit.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 03, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
It will be 4B (with IN 37 becoming 4A): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_465#Exit_list.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 03, 2023, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 03, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
It will be 4B (with IN 37 becoming 4A): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_465#Exit_list.
Is there an actual source, besides Wikipedia?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 03, 2023, 05:38:25 PM
There's signage plans I put up somewhere in this thread. I-69 will indeed be Exit 4B and Harding Street will be Exit 4A. Interestingly enough, the northeast side interchange with I-69 and I-465 have I-69 as Exit 37B and Binford Blvd as Exit 37A, so there's precedent for this exit numbering.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 03, 2023, 10:54:19 PM

^^^^
Here are those signage plans that you dug up from the Section 6 documents in 2021. Thanks for doing that. I know it takes time.

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And here's your very informative summary, originally posted on Page 163.

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 01, 2021, 10:40:45 AM

1. This is at northbound I-465 with I-70 on the west side. Peoria now gets control city status along I-465, complementing what's currently at the I-65 interchange on the south side. I-70 is just St. Louis and Indy, no mention of the airport, which will get regulated to supplemental signage prior to the exit. Lots of APL signs along this section.

2. Sign along I-465 east of Mann Rd with I-69 and controls of Ft Wayne and Evansville, no exit tab interestingly enough.

3. APL signage along I-465 west at the Mann Rd interchange. There will be five lanes heading west from Mann Rd, the rightmost lane will exit off at Kentucky Avenue.

4. APL signage at I-465 east and I-69, marked as Exit 4b. Harding St is Exit 4a and I-69 south is indeed signed for Evansville. Interesting there is no signage for Martinsville and Bloomington. I do think some supplemental signage would be appropriate, hell the signs already exist, just throw a B next to the Exit 4. I-69 north gets a control city of Ft Wayne heading east from Exit 4 A-B.

5.  Looking west on I-465 at Exit 4B with 465/74 signed for Peoria and I-69 south again signed for Evansville.

6. Placment of the three interstate shields that will mark Indiana's first interstate triplex.

7. Heading east at Exit 2 A-B I-465/69/74 loses two lanes at the exit, it's five lanes heading east from Exit 4 but one lane goes off at Exit 2B and the other at Exit 2A. This keeps the lane configuration the same where US 31 crosses over the interstate, meaning there's no need to change the interchange design for now. I mean they should fix that exit but it seems like they're not going to.

8. I-465/69/74 westbound at Exit 2A. The "widening" of I-465 between Exits 2 and 53 will be three mainline lanes and one auxilary lane on the right. The SB I-65 ramp to westbound I-465 becomes an auxiliary lane that turns off at Exit 2A. Here Exit 4B is signed two miles away, but no mention of Harding St

9. A similar auxiliary lane exists on the eastbound part of I-465/69/74 between US 31 and I-65 south, which turns off here at Exit 53B. This again means that the lane configuration within I-65 interchange will stay the same.

10. Signage for the Southport Rd exit along I-69 south. Something's weird on this one. The signage plans have it signed as Exit 162, but the left are two planned milemarkers in the same location that designated this as Mile 160. Based on a look at the mileage along SR 37 this should be Exit 160. I noticed the Wikipedia article on I-69 was recently changed perhaps to reflect this signage plan, but it looks to be two miles off. SR 144 is Exit 153 which is correct but Smith Valley Rd is Exit 158 acccording to the I-69 page. It's only three miles between the two plans and signage plans do show it as Exit 156. Likewise County Line Rd should be 158, Southport 160 and Epler/Harding as 161 and I-465 as 162.

11. Mileage sign south of Southport Rd with mentions of Martinsville/Bloomington/Evansville. The first mileage sign along I-69 south of I-465.

12. Signs for Exit 161 (shown here as 163) for Epler Ave TO Harding St. The best way to sign this arrangement. Exit 162 (shown as 164) mentions both I-74 controls of Peoria and Cincinnati plus the I-69 north control city of Ft Wayne. This would provide a perfect match to the plans for I-69 on the north side where Evansville is the control city at the I-465 interchange. I do like it very much that Indiana is sticking with Ft Wayne and Evansville as the control cities and not places like...Fulton, KY.

13. I-69 north's final split at I-465, two lanes heading west toward 465/74 and Peoria and two lanes heading east for 69 north to Ft Wayne and 465/74 to Cincinnati. Interestingly, there's no mention of the airport on any of these signs, that may not be a bad idea for I-69 approaching I-465.

Anyway, this has been a very long thread but I thought some might be interested in how the final part of I-69 will look.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on July 04, 2023, 07:14:54 AM
Why no mention of Chicago on BGS for 69 N at 465
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on July 04, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on July 04, 2023, 07:14:54 AM
Why no mention of Chicago on BGS for 69 N at 465
Neither I-465, I-74, nor I-69 end up anywhere near Chicago. They *could* add a supplemental sign somewhere, perhaps, but that just adds to the sea of signage normal at a major interchange.

It would make more sense if any of the three roads went to Chicago.

SM-G991U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bob7374 on July 04, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but has anyone proposed removing the I-465 designation where it will run concurrent with I-69 (or I-74 for that matter)? Having 3 interstates on the same roadway seems a little to much (except maybe if your Wisconsin).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on July 04, 2023, 12:57:56 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on July 04, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on July 04, 2023, 07:14:54 AM
Why no mention of Chicago on BGS for 69 N at 465
Neither I-465, I-74, nor I-69 end up anywhere near Chicago. They *could* add a supplemental sign somewhere, perhaps, but that just adds to the sea of signage normal at a major interchange.

It would make more sense if any of the three roads went to Chicago.

SM-G991U
465's parent is Controlled with Chicago, even if it terminates within the state of Indiana, it gets close. Not unusual for 3di's to use a parent's Control

That said, 465 has mostly gone Controlless, save for its Multiplexed Controls like Cincy, Peoria, and coming soon Ft Wayne and Evansville

If INDOT were MoDOT that I-465/I-74 West BGS at the north end of I-69 southern extension would be Controlled Chicago and Peoria, but then again MoDOT has a weird fascination with Chicago along 270 and 255. IDOT and ISTHA would just Control it "Illinois"  which works for 70W, 74W, and 65N

Personally, I would Control it, at least, Indy Airport/Peoria. A case can be made for Chicago, but that isn't the typical standard for 465
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on July 04, 2023, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 04, 2023, 12:57:56 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on July 04, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on July 04, 2023, 07:14:54 AM
Why no mention of Chicago on BGS for 69 N at 465
Neither I-465, I-74, nor I-69 end up anywhere near Chicago. They *could* add a supplemental sign somewhere, perhaps, but that just adds to the sea of signage normal at a major interchange.

It would make more sense if any of the three roads went to Chicago.

SM-G991U
465’s parent is Controlled with Chicago, even if it terminates within the state of Indiana, it gets close. Not unusual for 3di’s to use a parent’s Control

However INDOT never used them on I-465.  KDOT also does not use them for I-435 in Kansas.  It’s common for beltways to not have them.

Also the additions of control cities on I-70 at the western I-465 junction was recent. Peoria and Cincinnati were never used before. 

I agree though partly. On the east junction with I-70, Fort Wayne should have been used as both I-69 and I-70 never connected  for the NB ( Outer Loop) there.

https://goo.gl/maps/zM75qqxYyHrbxAjr8
https://goo.gl/maps/y8inf2YXofdeqxmc9
Two street view images. You can see that the control cities were added in sometime between 09 and 11.  So it s over a decade old, but considering before that that prior to the that date going back to the construction of I-465 or I-70 never had any even with I-74 always concurrent on the beltway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on July 04, 2023, 01:25:25 PM
465S is Controlled for Indy Airport at the northern I-65 junction, so to say it is completely Controlless is not quite accurate. INDOT typically leaves 465 Uncontrolled, tho

I honestly thought I remembered that BGS at the northern junction having Indy Airport and Louisville for 465S, but that is not what GSV sees

I haven't driven that way in awhile, anyway. I might have imagined it
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on July 04, 2023, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 04, 2023, 01:25:25 PM
465S is Controlled for Indy Airport at the northern I-65 junction, so to say it is completely Controlless is not quite accurate. INDOT typically leaves 465 Uncontrolled, tho

I honestly thought I remembered that BGS at the northern junction having Indy Airport and Louisville for 465S, but that is not what GSV sees

I haven't driven that way in awhile, anyway. I might have imagined it

https://goo.gl/maps/Lzo7wEqVY2EuftEG6
I see. That, though, is an oddity as INDOT don't usually sign control points for I-465.

Interestingly, to the east Columbus don't sign controls for I-270, but back in the eighties they used both I-70 and I-71 control cities for it.

I'm guessing the change of character along the I-270 corridor had to do with it going from rural to suburban and traffic now prevents free flowing bypass movements.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:01:10 PM
The Interstate 41/43/894 segment along the Airport Freeway, and the Interstate 41/894 segment along the Zoo Freeway uses Interstate 894's mile markers and exit numbers. Just as it always has. That's probably why the 894 designation was retained.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on July 05, 2023, 12:53:19 AM
How would such a change help anyone? If anything it would make navigation more difficult for folks. I-465 has been there for over 50 years, plenty long enough for folks to figure out how to use it to drive around Indianapolis.

The only reason to multiplex I-69 is to keep those travelers moving along the shortest path between the two sections. Removing I-465 on the multiplexed section just confuses people.

SM-G991U

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on July 05, 2023, 01:59:24 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.

Keep in mind The Capital Beltway had I-495 decommissioned when I-95 took over the eastern half. Look at it now. The situation became confusing that both MD and VA had to reinstate the route number back to the entire beltway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: adt1982 on July 05, 2023, 10:46:44 AM
East Saint Louis and Saint Louis had I-55, 64, and 70 multiplex for years until 70 moved to a new bridge.  It wasn't 'too much.'  You still have 55/64/40 together and things flow just fine. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 05, 2023, 11:27:53 AM
Also keep in mind that the portion of 465 that is multiplexed with 74 is literally NEVER referred to as 465 AND 74. locals don't even realize 74 uses 465, and will do the same when 69 comes online. the entire loop locally is referred to as just "465" and will likely always be. a similar much smaller situation happened in terre haute where us 40/SR 46 is known as SR 46 locally and for address purposes, so they kept that name too. I guess that's also why 894 still exists, it's been that way for so long changing it would just anger and confuse people  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on July 05, 2023, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 05, 2023, 01:59:24 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.

Keep in mind The Capital Beltway had I-495 decommissioned when I-95 took over the eastern half. Look at it now. The situation became confusing that both MD and VA had to reinstate the route number back to the entire beltway.
A lot of folks in the Boston area still refer to the I-95 loop around the city as Route 128, nearly 50 years after I-95 was routed onto it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on July 05, 2023, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 05, 2023, 11:27:53 AM
Also keep in mind that the portion of 465 that is multiplexed with 74 is literally NEVER referred to as 465 AND 74. locals don't even realize 74 uses 465, and will do the same when 69 comes online. the entire loop locally is referred to as just "465" and will likely always be. a similar much smaller situation happened in terre haute where us 40/SR 46 is known as SR 46 locally and for address purposes, so they kept that name too. I guess that's also why 894 still exists, it's been that way for so long changing it would just anger and confuse people  :-D
Nap Town residents should refer to the infamous segment with all the route numbers that are concurrent...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on July 05, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Considering INDOT loves to split up State Routes when they go through towns, I'm surprised they are even bothering co-signing the interstates.  :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 05, 2023, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on July 05, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Considering INDOT loves to split up State Routes when they go through towns, I'm surprised they are even bothering co-signing the interstates.  :D

rather than fixing the north split they just decommission 65/70 inside 465  and slap a couple of "END" signs on 65 and 70 :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on July 05, 2023, 09:53:49 PM
Pretty sure the Feds won't let them decommission any interstates or US highways, not without approval anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Strider on July 05, 2023, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.


Nope. Leave I-465 as is since it was there long before I-74 and I-69 came through. Raleigh's I-440 and Greensboro's I-840 part are completely different situations.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 06, 2023, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 05, 2023, 01:59:24 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.

Keep in mind The Capital Beltway had I-495 decommissioned when I-95 took over the eastern half. Look at it now. The situation became confusing that both MD and VA had to reinstate the route number back to the entire beltway.

Kinda wish PennDOT would have done the same, and kept I-279 connected on both ends with I-79, instead of renumbering everything exit # wise when they extended I-376.

Personally, wouldn't have had an issue with them renumbering the exit numbers, just should have kept the full distance of I-279 signed as I-279 with I-376 just piggybacking for the one segment.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: LM117 on July 06, 2023, 08:20:44 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.

NCDOT kinda put a small dent in I-440 when they made I-87 continue on I-440 to the SE I-40 interchange, unlike the former I-495, which ended at I-440. They should've done the same with I-87, IMO.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 06, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 05, 2023, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.


Nope. Leave I-465 as is since it was there long before I-74 and I-69 came through. Raleigh's I-440 and Greensboro's I-840 part are completely different situations.
Nope, I said it would create a situation similar to those North Carolina examples. I didn't say their histories are similar, at all. If I-465 was cut back, it would be the exact same situation I-73 / I-85 around Greensboro is, and how I-40 around Raleigh is.

Different histories, but would be the exact same situation in terms of the mainline forming some of the beltway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Strider on July 06, 2023, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 06, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 05, 2023, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.


Nope. Leave I-465 as is since it was there long before I-74 and I-69 came through. Raleigh's I-440 and Greensboro's I-840 part are completely different situations.
Nope, I said it would create a situation similar to those North Carolina examples. I didn't say their histories are similar, at all. If I-465 was cut back, it would be the exact same situation I-73 / I-85 around Greensboro is, and how I-40 around Raleigh is.

Different histories, but would be the exact same situation in terms of the mainline forming some of the beltway.


Nope. Because if that's the case, as of in your situation: I-465 would start at I-74 west of Indy, going past I-65 and then end at I-69. Therefore I-465 would have met its parent only once. I-440 and I-840 meet their parents at both ends.

I-840 has never meant to be signed on the entire Greensboro beltway at the first place; and I-440 started out as US 1 Bypass (and other US routes) on northern part and US 64-US 70-US 401-NC 50 on the southern part before all the changes were made to what you see now.

There are better examples than the ones you provided.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 06, 2023, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 06, 2023, 08:16:34 PM
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I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.


Nope. Leave I-465 as is since it was there long before I-74 and I-69 came through. Raleigh's I-440 and Greensboro's I-840 part are completely different situations.
Nope, I said it would create a situation similar to those North Carolina examples. I didn't say their histories are similar, at all. If I-465 was cut back, it would be the exact same situation I-73 / I-85 around Greensboro is, and how I-40 around Raleigh is.

Different histories, but would be the exact same situation in terms of the mainline forming some of the beltway.


Nope. Because if that's the case, as of in your situation: I-465 would start at I-74 west of Indy, going past I-65 and then end at I-69. Therefore I-465 would have met its parent only once. I-440 an I-840 meet their parents TWICE. So, not the same situation.
I wasn't narrowing down to the specific details in that regard, the point is that examples do exist where mainline interstates consist of part of the beltway.

No need to get all defensive about a single, hypothetical situation and comparison.. I don't even support changing I-465, for what it's worth. It's okay  ;-)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Strider on July 06, 2023, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 06, 2023, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 06, 2023, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 06, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 05, 2023, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 04, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 04, 2023, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 04, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
I highly doubt any of 465 will be decommissioned, given it is a full beltway around Indianapolis. If Wisconsin didn't decommission 894, the 465 designation is safe.

That would never happen 465 is an iconic highway here, plus a lot of it is just 465 (ignoring the state and US highways secretly using 465) conversely 894 serves 0 purpose and should be decommissioned as it is cosigned with another interstate for its entire route, I doubt 894 has any name recognition in the area either.
The portion that is just I-465 would be kept regardless. The southeastern portion, carrying I-74 and I-69, could reasonably be decommissioned. It would create a situation similar to I-440 in North Carolina around Raleigh, or Greensboro where I-73 and I-85 form the southern portion of the loop.


Nope. Leave I-465 as is since it was there long before I-74 and I-69 came through. Raleigh's I-440 and Greensboro's I-840 part are completely different situations.
Nope, I said it would create a situation similar to those North Carolina examples. I didn't say their histories are similar, at all. If I-465 was cut back, it would be the exact same situation I-73 / I-85 around Greensboro is, and how I-40 around Raleigh is.

Different histories, but would be the exact same situation in terms of the mainline forming some of the beltway.


Nope. Because if that's the case, as of in your situation: I-465 would start at I-74 west of Indy, going past I-65 and then end at I-69. Therefore I-465 would have met its parent only once. I-440 an I-840 meet their parents TWICE. So, not the same situation.
I wasn't narrowing down to the specific details in that regard, the point is that examples do exist where mainline interstates consist of part of the beltway.

No need to get all defensive about a single, hypothetical situation and comparison.. I don't even support changing I-465, for what it's worth. It's okay  ;-)

Lol. You're funny man. No such thing as a defense here. I'm stating facts that there are better examples than what you use.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on July 07, 2023, 12:21:13 AM
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 07, 2023, 07:23:05 PM
With the prior discussion having run its course, it's time for some pictures. These, like the handful posted earlier, are screen grabs from INDOT traffic cameras. Each photo features a date and time stamp on the bottom left. Also included are a couple of grabs from Google Maps.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking slightly northwest from near the I-69/SR144 overpass and interchange in Johnson County. Southbound traffic, which previously had been running on the northbound roadway, has been shifted back to the recently paved southbound lanes. Sometime next week or, perhaps the following, the northbound lanes will close in this vicinity to begin the construction of the new bridge over Bluff Creek, which is located just south of the overpass. I'm not sure how northbound traffic will be handled, but it probably will be shifted to the new southbound roadway.

Here's a couple of grabs of the Smith Valley Road overpass and future interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking northeast. Plans are to open the overpass and the southbound entrance and exit ramps sometime this month. It could be as early as next week. When the overpass is opened, the traffic light will almost certainly be removed. At the same time, the Smith Valley Road/SR 37 intersection will be sealed off. Please bear in mind nothing has been released about removing the traffic light or sealing off of the intersection, so I don't know for sure what's going to transpire. But, going forward, it seems implausible the intersection will remain open after the overpass and southbound ramps become operational.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another view, with the wires to the right.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking south from near the Smith Valley Road overpass. As shown, paving of the northbound roadway south of the Smith Valley overpass is nearly complete. The northbound exit ramp also awaits its paving with concrete.

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Google Maps
Underneath the I-465 mainline bridge crossing over Harding Street in Indianapolis; looking east. This bridge, which currently carries both east- and westbound traffic, six lanes in total, will be replaced. Judging from the concrete deterioration, rehabbing and expanding the bridge was probably not feasible. Instead of one large replacement bridge, it appears there will be two new bridges built, each carrying four lanes. Work is currently underway on the new eastbound bridge. Pile driving is complete and work has started on the abutments.

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Google Maps
Eastbound I-465 bridge over S. Meridian Street; looking east. Like the bridge over Harding Street, this one is showing its age as well, although not to the same extent as Harding. I don't know what the plan is for this bridge, whether it'll be replaced or just expanded and rehabbed. Note, too, the image date of 2019. It's possible some work has been done to this bridge between then and now.

Update: The I-465 bridges over S. Meridian Street will be replaced with new bridges. Construction is already underway.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking north from near the former SR37/Banta Road intersection in Marion County. After the long July 4th weekend, work quickly resumed on the future southbound segment of roadway between Edgewood Avenue and Southport Road.

Tonight's a big night for INDOT and contractors Walsh-Milestone, as the steps to completely close the westbound lanes of I-465 between I-65 and I-70 will get underway soon after the sun goes down. The closure is planned to last 22 days.

Edit: Added a photo; minor edits for readability
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 08, 2023, 01:08:07 PM

Last night, the closure of westbound I-465 between I-65 and I-70 on the southside of Indianapolis, went smoothly. As expected, they started closing entrance ramps between 9 and 10pm, and by around 11pm, perhaps a little later, the entire stretch was sealed off.

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Barricades to block the entrance ramp from Harding Street to I-465W were among the first to be set up. Police were stationed here, and at other ramp closure locations.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 10, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
Here's a few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, July 9, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

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Looking southeast from the new Epler Avenue overpass in southern Marion County. The path of I-69 is now more clearly defined. On the right, the ground is being built up for the entrance ramp to I-69S. As many of you already know, the interchange at Epler Avenue will be partial, with only an exit ramp from I-69N and the entrance ramp to I-69S.

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Turning around, looking northwest from Epler toward the future I-69/I-465 system interchange. Not all that much has changed here in the past month. Work is underway to remove the surcharge (foreground), but it doesn't seem to be a priority. Also that mound of dirt in the mid-background left, probably another surcharge, has to be removed, too.

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Long range shot from Epler; looking northwest. In the background left is the curving MSE wall that will support the ramp from I-69N to I-465E. With its tall smokestacks, the Harding Street Generating Station is visible from many points in south Indianapolis.

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Looking northeast toward the construction zone where the new eastbound I-465 roadway and the new eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street (asphalt, foreground) will be located. This is directly behind the Flying J truck stop on Thompson Road. I was able to park there and mosey over for a look-see. Because of the expanded right-of-way of I-465, the Flying J lost about 50 truck parking spots. In the background where the crane is positioned, work is underway on new bridge over a ditch.

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Closer look at the bridge piles at the ditch; looking northeast. On Google Maps, this ditch is visible, but it's not labeled. It's hard to determine whether it's an outlet for the large quarry north of I-465 or, otherwise, a small waterway flowing into the quarry. The bridge, which will carry I-465E, is replacing a double box culvert. You'll have to ask the engineers why a bridge is being constructed here, instead of simply replacing the culvert. Also, in the background right, are the piles for the new I-465E bridge over Harding Street.

Update: The ditch is called Haueisen Ditch. Also, the structure being replaced over Haueisen is considered by INDOT to be a bridge, not a culvert.

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View looking west toward the future I-69/I-465 interchange. In the foreground is the exit ramp from I-465E to Harding Street. Note how the ramp goes under the double lane I-69N to I-465E ramp.

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Long range view looking west from behind the Flying J. On the right is the exit ramp to Harding Street. It's possible the ramp will eventually be paved with concrete, but I have doubts.

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Another view looking northeast from behind the truck stop. On the left is, again, the exit ramp to Harding Street. The tall lighting fixture likely will be installed this week.

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Westbound I-465 bridge over S. Meridian Street in Indianapolis; looking northeast. It looks like the new bridge will be built adjacent to the old one, and in preparation to do that about 1/3 of the old bridge has been chopped off. This bridge, although not currently carrying traffic because of the 22 day westbound closure, will be in use for another year.

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Closer look.

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The I-465 bridges over S. Meridian Street; looking north. Ouch! Must have been a loud wham that startled the neighborhood. Obviously, the engineers determined the bridge was OK for continued use, but it sure does look gnarly.

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Underneath the I-465E bridge over S. Meridian Street; looking east. I don't know the rating of this structure, but I imagine with some repairs it could last another 10 years. That isn't relevant anymore, however, as early next year it's coming down, to be replaced with a completely new bridge.

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Another look at the bridges over S. Meridian Street; looking north. The 14'3'' clearance is no longer standard. It seems the plan is to construct the new westbound bridge, then swing eastbound traffic over that bridge. After that's accomplished, the old eastbound bridge can then be demolished and replaced with a new bridge. Finally, after eastbound traffic has been returned to the newly built eastbound bridge, westbound traffic can be shifted onto the new westbound bridge, and the old westbound bridge can then be taken down. That's just my take on how things will proceed. Might be correct, might be wrong. We'll see how it plays out.

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Another look at the bridge work, replacing the box culvert just west of the I-465/Harding Street interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 12, 2023, 02:31:30 PM
Here's four recent screen grabs from INDOT traffic cameras.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Night work. Using "loose lift," building up the future southbound roadway just north of the former SR 37/Banta Road intersection in Marion County. The loose lift process involves putting down roughly six inches of material, then compacting it. And this is repeated, again and again, until the desired height is reached. The material is coming from the large surcharge north of the Epler Avenue overpass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, a late morning view looking south.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And this is how it looks after compaction.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
View looking slightly northwest from the Mann Road overpass. Since the closure of westbound I-465 five days ago, work has been ongoing 24/7.

Edit: Added the "after compaction" photo.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 12, 2023, 11:28:40 PM

As expected, the northbound traffic shift in the vicinity of the I-69/SR 144 interchange in Johnson County has taken place. Northbound traffic is now routed onto one lane of the southbound roadway. The crossover point begins a little south of the overpass. This will allow demolition of the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek to proceed, followed by construction of a new bridge.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
As the 8 pm hour approaches, traffic is light in both directions. Looking north from near the I-69/SR 144 overpass and interchange.

With northbound traffic funneled to one lane, there's bound to be a congestion, particularly during times of moderate traffic. How bad the bottleneck will be is difficult to determine. Unfortunately, there was no other feasible option. Northbound traffic had to be shifted off the northbound roadway. Period. On the plus side, two lanes of southbound traffic will be maintained. In all likelihood, this traffic setup will continue until the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek completes and is opened to traffic.

By the way, the community identifier centered on the overpass, northbound direction, reads "State Road 144". I imagine it's the same southbound, but I neglected to check. Next time.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on July 13, 2023, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: ITB on July 12, 2023, 11:28:40 PM

As expected, the northbound traffic shift in the vicinity of the I-69/SR 144 interchange in Johnson County has taken place. Northbound traffic is now routed onto one lane of the southbound roadway. The crossover point begins a little south of the overpass. This will allow demolition of the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek to proceed, followed by construction of a new bridge.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
As the 8 pm hour approaches, traffic is light in both directions. Looking north from near the I-69/SR 144 overpass and interchange.

With northbound traffic funneled to one lane, there's bound to be a congestion, particularly during times of moderate traffic. How bad the bottleneck will be is difficult to determine. Unfortunately, there was no other feasible option. Northbound traffic had to be shifted off the northbound roadway. Period. On the plus side, two lanes of southbound traffic will be maintained. In all likelihood, this traffic setup will continue until the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek completes and is opened to traffic.

By the way, the community identifier centered on the overpass, northbound direction, reads "State Road 144". I imagine it's the same southbound, but I neglected to check. Next time.
Given that the carriageway is wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes during construction, I'm curious if INDOT or the construction contractor considered using a "zipper barrier" to allow crews to switch the direction of the middle lane (second SB lane), making it available to motorists during peak travel periods for a given direction of travel (I would think NB in the morning and SB in the afternoon/evening).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 13, 2023, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on July 13, 2023, 07:39:36 AM
Given that the carriageway is wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes during construction, I'm curious if INDOT or the construction contractor considered using a "zipper barrier" to allow crews to switch the direction of the middle lane (second SB lane), making it available to motorists during peak travel periods for a given direction of travel (I would think NB in the morning and SB in the afternoon/evening).

I thought about that, too. But it doesn't make all that much sense as I-69 traffic counts are relatively low for most of the day and any northbound delays are likely to be minimal. Besides, renting that specialized machine as well as several hundred yards of interlocking barrier isn't going to be cheap.

Here's a couple more screen shots of work underway on westbound I-465.

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Looking east from the Mann Road overpass on the southwest side of Indianapolis.

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The view looking east from just east of the I-465 bridges over Bluff Road on the south side of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 15, 2023, 11:46:14 PM

On Saturday, July 15, 2023, around 8 pm, a vehicle got stuck in a drainage excavation just west of the Mann Road overpass in the closed westbound I-465 work zone. A tow truck had to be called to get it out.

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While the tow truck operator works to get the vehicle extricated, it appears a conversation is ongoing about what happened.

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Police eventually arrive on the scene to help sort everything out.

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After about an hour, the incident is resolved, and work resumes. It would have been nice to get a screen shot of the tow truck leaving the scene, but INDOT traffic camera only update about once every two minutes, so the money shot was, unfortunately, not to be.

To speculate, it looks like the vehicle entered at the closed Mann Road exit ramp, went down it going the wrong way, then did a U-turn and began heading west in the westbound I-465 work zone. It's possible the driver of the vehicle was a team member who simply made a mistake. On the other hand, that may not be the case, as police were called to the scene. If, however, there had been a major infraction or an impaired driver was involved, more police would have been on the scene. So it's possible the police were just brought in to write up an official incident report for insurance purposes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on July 16, 2023, 12:43:07 PM
The control center has the full real time video, so that base is covered at an 'official' level.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 20, 2023, 03:48:25 PM
Took a few pictures yesterday at the State Road 144 interchange in Johnson County. Photos were taken Wednesday, July 19, 2023, unless otherwise indicated.

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Looking south from the SR 144 overpass. As expected, demo work is nearly complete on the old SR 37 northbound bridge over Bluff Creek. Pile driving for the new bridge should get underway soon.

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Different perspective; looking northwest. Still need to bust up the old abutments.

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Another view looking south. The northbound lane merge begins well south of the bridge over Bluff Creek and seems to working well. The SR 144 interchange will remain fully open and functional all through the bridge replacement project and nearby roadwork.

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Looking north from the SR 144 overpass toward the recently completed southbound roadway.

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Another perspective looking north. In preparation to rebuild the roadbed, the asphalt of the old lanes has been milled off. This small segment is only about a quarter mile, so they'll likely make quick work of it. The replacement bridge over Bluff Creek, however, will take more time to complete.

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Long range view looking north. The Smith Valley Road overpass is in the background.

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Closer look.

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New signage just east of the SR 144 overpass; looking east. The recently built eastern frontage road between CR 144 and Stones Crossing Road is now signed Bluff Creek Pkwy. Google maps does not reflect this, as the road remains labeled as W Stones Crossing Rd.

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And, finally, another look looking south.

Aside from the four bridges at the new I-465 interchange, there's ONLY two other bridges that remain to be completed — the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek and the southbound bridge over Banta Road in Marion County. Of the roughly 150–200 new bridges that have been built between Evansville and Indianapolis, it's now down to two, six if you count the I-465 interchange bridges. That says a lot about how far this enormous project has come.

And the roadwork is nearing completion, too. There's only the small northbound segment near the SR 144 interchange and a more substantial northbound segment between the future Smith Valley Road interchange and Fairview Road. That latter segment will complete by the end of October. In Marion County, there's still some road work remaining, primarily north of Southport Road, but, by and large, this project, aside from the interchange at I-465 and the added lane work on I-465, is rapidly moving toward completion.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 09:56:51 AM
NATFTA or not, I’m glad Evansville to Indy will have an interstate connecting the two cities.

Once Kentucky and Indiana build the bridge across the Ohio, will have a freeway south into Tennessee as well. However, don’t count on Memphis to Indy having one route connecting the two anytime soon being TN is moving at a snails pace just to get the Union City bypass done.  The rest maybe done by our grandchildren’s retirements.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on July 25, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 09:56:51 AM
NATFTA or not, I'm glad Evansville to Indy will have an interstate connecting the two cities.

Once Kentucky and Indiana build the bridge across the Ohio, will have a freeway south into Tennessee as well. However, don't count on Memphis to Indy having one route connecting the two anytime soon being TN is moving at a snails pace just to get the Union City bypass done.  The rest maybe done by our grandchildren's retirements.
Once the Indianapolis area of I-69 gets completed (and then doubly so after the Ohio River Crossing is cone) you will notice more through traffic taking that route, and perhaps some truck traffic as well to avoid all of the congestion on I-65 and perhaps some tolls in Louisville.  That will make a fully four lane expressway from Indianapolis to Nashville with the exception of the Henderson, KY food and potty break area until the bridge is completed. Of course I know the Evansville/Henderson bridge will be tolled, but beating the congestion of I-65 will be a big factor.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 25, 2023, 02:38:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 25, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 09:56:51 AM
NATFTA or not, I'm glad Evansville to Indy will have an interstate connecting the two cities.

Once Kentucky and Indiana build the bridge across the Ohio, will have a freeway south into Tennessee as well. However, don't count on Memphis to Indy having one route connecting the two anytime soon being TN is moving at a snails pace just to get the Union City bypass done.  The rest maybe done by our grandchildren's retirements.
Once the Indianapolis area of I-69 gets completed (and then doubly so after the Ohio River Crossing is cone) you will notice more through traffic taking that route, and perhaps some truck traffic as well to avoid all of the congestion on I-65 and perhaps some tolls in Louisville.  That will make a fully four lane expressway from Indianapolis to Nashville with the exception of the Henderson, KY food and potty break area until the bridge is completed. Of course I know the Evansville/Henderson bridge will be tolled, but beating the congestion of I-65 will be a big factor.

the ohio river bridge on 69 will be tolled
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on July 25, 2023, 09:47:43 PM
^

Quote from: silverback1065 on July 25, 2023, 02:38:49 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on July 25, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 09:56:51 AM
NATFTA or not, I'm glad Evansville to Indy will have an interstate connecting the two cities.

Once Kentucky and Indiana build the bridge across the Ohio, will have a freeway south into Tennessee as well. However, don't count on Memphis to Indy having one route connecting the two anytime soon being TN is moving at a snails pace just to get the Union City bypass done.  The rest maybe done by our grandchildren's retirements.
Once the Indianapolis area of I-69 gets completed (and then doubly so after the Ohio River Crossing is cone) you will notice more through traffic taking that route, and perhaps some truck traffic as well to avoid all of the congestion on I-65 and perhaps some tolls in Louisville.  That will make a fully four lane expressway from Indianapolis to Nashville with the exception of the Henderson, KY food and potty break area until the bridge is completed. Of course I know the Evansville/Henderson bridge will be tolled, but beating the congestion of I-65 will be a big factor.

the ohio river bridge on 69 will be tolled
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 27, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
Probably old news already, but anyway, last night, the westbound lanes of I-465 between I-65 and I-70 on the southwest side of Indianapolis were reopened to traffic. This was two days earlier than originally planned.

Here's a few screen grabs from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking west from about a mile east of the I-465/Harding Street–SR 37 interchange. In the background is the new eastbound bridge over Bluff Road.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's a view from last week looking east from near Harding Street interchange. It appears the deck pour for the bridge over Bluff Road was very recently completed.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Cleaning the westbound lanes of I-465 just prior to the reopening; looking east from near the Mann Road overpass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking north from near the former Banta Road/SR 37 intersection in Marion County. Note how the earthwork is shifting away from SR 37 to form the new alignment that will take I-69 northwest up to the interchange at I-465.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Team members cover a recent concrete pour near the Smith Valley Road overpass as a rain shower passes through. According to the I-69 Finish Line newsletter, the overpass and southbound ramps are planned to be opened in early August.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
From earlier this month, here's a zoomed in view of the construction looking east from near the Mann Road overpass. On the right is bridge construction over (1) Harmon Ditch, and further back (2), the White River. It appears at Harmon, the piles have been driven, while at White River, shafts are being drilled for a deep foundation.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
During the closure of I-465 westbound lanes, the bridge over Kentucky Avenue received an overlay. This is one of the few I-465 bridges that needed minimal work, and as can be seen, it's already wide enough to carry four lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here, INDOT zoomed in on recreational vehicle broken down on the eastbound lanes of I-465 just west of Harding Street. In the background is the future I-69 northbound ramp to I-465E, as well as new pavement for the realigned eastbound lanes of I-465.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Clear and bright view of the Smith Valley Road overpass and future interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here it is at night.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
A couple weeks old, here's a view looking north toward the County Line Road interchange in Johnson/Marion counties. When northbound road work completes near the State Road 144 and Smith Valley Road interchanges in Johnson County, the roadways will join this section of completed mainline, and I-69 will be complete up to Southport Road. This will likely happen by the end of October. Construction, however, on the bridge over Bluff Creek near the SR 144 overpass may still be ongoing.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on July 27, 2023, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
A couple weeks old, here's a view looking north toward the County Line Road interchange in Johnson/Marion counties. When northbound road work completes near the State Road 144 and Smith Valley Road interchanges in Johnson County, the roadways will join this section of completed mainline, and I-69 will be complete up to Southport Road. This will likely happen by the end of October. Construction, however, on the bridge over Bluff Creek near the SR 144 overpass may still be ongoing.

I'm kind of surprised to see Midwest W-beam guardrail (I think that's what it's called), instead of a concrete Jersey barrier, in the median.  I didn't think current design standards still allowed it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on July 27, 2023, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 27, 2023, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
A couple weeks old, here's a view looking north toward the County Line Road interchange in Johnson/Marion counties. When northbound road work completes near the State Road 144 and Smith Valley Road interchanges in Johnson County, the roadways will join this section of completed mainline, and I-69 will be complete up to Southport Road. This will likely happen by the end of October. Construction, however, on the bridge over Bluff Creek near the SR 144 overpass may still be ongoing.

I'm kind of surprised to see Midwest W-beam guardrail (I think that's what it's called), instead of a concrete Jersey barrier, in the median.  I didn't think current design standards still allowed it.

INDOT seems to have liked to use that longer than others.  The redone I-65 from I-865 to just outside Lebanon was done that way (narrow median with metal guardrail), while the section in Lebanon (newest) is a concrete wall.  Similarly, I-65 around Lafayette when widened has the narrow median/metal guardrail combo but the newest redone section, around SR 43, has the concrete wall (new this year), joined up to the metal where the previous project meets the current one.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 28, 2023, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 27, 2023, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 27, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
A couple weeks old, here's a view looking north toward the County Line Road interchange in Johnson/Marion counties. When northbound road work completes near the State Road 144 and Smith Valley Road interchanges in Johnson County, the roadways will join this section of completed mainline, and I-69 will be complete up to Southport Road. This will likely happen by the end of October. Construction, however, on the bridge over Bluff Creek near the SR 144 overpass may still be ongoing.

I'm kind of surprised to see Midwest W-beam guardrail (I think that's what it's called), instead of a concrete Jersey barrier, in the median.  I didn't think current design standards still allowed it.

This method is a lot cheaper than jersey barrier. the drawback is that ditch in the middle doesn't have a lot of capacity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 28, 2023, 11:47:04 AM

"Smart concrete" sensors are being tested in the I-69/I-465 interchange. These are sensors that are embedded in concrete during the paving process. Developed by WaveLogix, a West Lafayette-based company, the sensors help to pin down when the concrete has "matured" and is strong enough to handle traffic, thereby reducing the possibility of early concrete failure. Data from the sensors, in conjunction with AI, can also help determine if excess cement is being used in concrete.

Read more about the "smart concrete" sensors  here  (https://www.ibj.com/articles/smart-concrete-being-tested-on-indianapolis-interstate)and here (https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2022/Q4/smart-concrete-from-purdue-named-a-next-big-thing-in-tech-by-fast-company-magazine.html). The first link is to an IBJ article. Please be aware that non-subscribers to the IBJ are given a very limited number of free articles, so access to the full article may not be available to everyone.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 28, 2023, 12:47:38 PM
From what I understand, the type of barrier used in an interstate median is determined by median width and whether the interstate section is categorized as either rural or urban.

While I don't have AASHOTO's "Policy on Geometric Design of Highways and Streets" (aka the "Green Book) at hand, and I can't seem to find any design standards on the internet, here's how the standards might be organized. Please bear in mind, I have little expertise in this area.

50 or 60 foot median, or wider         No barrier needed
30 to 50 foot median                       Flexible barrier (cable barrier, single guide rail)
20 to 30 foot median                       Semi-rigid barrier (single guide rail, box or double guide rail)
Less than 20 or 15 feet (rural)          Rigid barrier (concrete barrier wall; Jersey wall)
Less than 10 foot (urban or rural)     Rigid barrier (concrete barrier wall)

This is a very rough outline of possible standards and is probably not accurate. Without knowing the exact standards, it's impossible to say with any specificity when a concrete barrier wall, for instance, must be used, instead of a double guide rail. Obviously, any median that's quite narrow (less than 10 or 15 feet) is going to require a concrete barrier, whether urban or rural. From the picture posted above, it appears the median is about 20 feet in width and is located in an area that can be categorized as rural, rather than urban. As depicted, a double guide rail has been installed. If that stretch of road had been categorized as urban or if the median had been narrower, more likely a concrete barrier would have been constructed.

If anyone has the exact standards available, please chime in.

Edit: Changed guardrail to guide rail, as the latter term is more standard in the industry.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Bobby5280 on July 28, 2023, 02:40:51 PM
Much the I-44 turnpike South of Lawton down to US-70 has a one lane wide concrete median adorned with a simple cable barrier. It's kind of a trip to drive on that going upwards of 80mph. It's not as fun at night since the cable barrier does very little to block glare of headlights in the opposing lanes. Thankfully traffic counts aren't all that high on that stretch of Interstate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 28, 2023, 03:20:13 PM
Quote from: ITB on July 28, 2023, 12:47:38 PM
From what I understand, the type of barrier used in an interstate median is determined by median width and whether the interstate section is categorized as either rural or urban.

As it turns out, the 2001 Green Book (the most recent one I could find online for free) offers only more qualitative details about median barriers, but the 2011 Yellow Book (again, the most recent one I could find online for free) offers this, which considers both median width and AADT:

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It goes on to say, however:
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For locations with median widths equal to or greater than 15.2 m [50 ft], a barrier is not normally considered except in special circumstances, such as a location with a significant history of cross-median crashes.

Each transportation agency has the flexibility to develop its particular median barrier guidelines. For example, in 1997, a study by the California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) suggested that the medians of facilities with traffic volumes in excess of 60,000 vpd would warrant a barrier study, even at widths as wide as 22.9 m [75 ft]. California uses a crash study warrant to identify sections of freeways that may need the installation of a median barrier. This warrant requires a minimum of 0.311 cross-median crashes per kilometer [0.50 cross-median crashes per mile] of any severity per year, or 0.075 fatal crashes per kilometer [0.12 fatal crashes per mile] per year. The rate calculation requires a minimum of three crashes occurring within a five-year period.

In some cases, it may be determined that a median barrier is only necessary at locations where there are concentrations of cross-median crashes. For example, the Florida Department of Transportation found that 62 percent of all cross-median crashes occurred within 0.8 km [1/2 mile] and 82 percent occurred within 1.6 km [1 mile] of interchange ramp termini.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on July 28, 2023, 03:52:44 PM

^^^^
Nice find. So AADT is another factor that comes into play. That helps explain the stretch of I-44 south of Lawton referenced above.

It seems the standards for median barriers are more fluid than not. Still there seems to be a framework of recommended standards, and any deviation, I imagine, would require a sign-off by the FHWA. Some states, too, might have their own standards, which, in some cases, may exceed normal design guidelines.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 28, 2023, 04:43:48 PM
Looking at the thread again, it seems I confused the presence or absence of a median barrier with the type of median barriers used. Anyway, the Yellow Book discusses the following types of barriers and I've attempted to summarize the advantages of each:

6.4.1.1 Weak-Post W-Beam Median Barrier
The weak-post system is sensitive to height variations and should not be used as a median barrier where terrain irregularities exist. Because the W-beam does not interlock with a vehicle's sheet metal, the likelihood of going over or under the rail is increased if the bumper height at impact is in a range that is higher or lower than normal. It should not be used where frost heave or erosion is likely to alter the beam mounting height relative to the shoulder beyond 51 mm [2 in.].

6.4.1.2 Low-Tension Cable Barrier
Cable barriers typically deflect more than other types of barriers during impacts. The crash test of this system using the NCHRP 350 pickup truck (the strength test) resulted in 3.4 m [11.2 ft] of deflection, and most agencies position these barriers to accommodate approximately 3.7 m [12 ft] of movement. Shortening the post spacing can reduce deflection distances. When a single run of low-tension cable barrier is used in the median, deflection distance generally is provided on both sides of the barrier. This results in minimum median widths of 7.3 m [24 ft] to provide enough deflection distance to reduce most encroachments into the opposing travel lanes. Cable systems should be installed and maintained as close to the design height as feasible in order to function properly. Although the cable barrier is relatively inexpensive to install and performs well when hit, it must be repaired after each hit to maintain its effectiveness. Consequently, its use in areas where it is likely to be hit frequently, such as on the outside of sharp curves, is not recommended.

6.4.1.3 High-Tension Cable Barrier
These systems are installed with a significantly greater tension in the cables than the generic low-tension system discussed in the previous section, and there are several differences in their performance. The deflection of these systems is reduced to 2 m [6.6 ft] to 2.8 m [9.2 ft] depending on the system, the post spacing, and the length of the barrier tested. As discussed for the low-tension cable barrier, deflection distances may be increased as the length of the barrier is increased. One state, Oregon, has used a high-tension cable barrier on a highway that has only a 2.4-m [8-ft] wide median, thus providing 1.2 m [4 ft] of deflection distance. Even though it is possible that some crashes may deflect into the opposing travel lanes, it was decided that the barrier would reduce the number of head-on collisions and provide a cost-effective solution in this corridor.

6.4.1.4 Box-Beam Median Barrier
Its design deflection distance is approximately 1.7 m [5.5 ft]. As with the weak-post W-beam, this system is most suitable for use in traversable medians having no significant terrain irregularities.

6.4.1.5 Blocked-Out W-Beam (Strong Post)
These barriers may be installed with either wood or steel posts. The strong-post W-beam system has been used extensively to reduce crossover crashes in relatively narrow medians. Because these systems are semi-rigid (meaning that their design deflection distances are in the 0.6- to 1.2-m [2- to 4-ft] range), they typically have been used in medians approximately 3 m [10 ft] or more in width. There are both proprietary and generic strong-post W-beam systems available that are mounted at 787 mm [31 in.] in an attempt to better contain large vehicles. These systems have other advantages as well, most notably the ability to use steeper flare rates and increased usability in conjunction with a curb. Strong-post W-beam median barriers generally impart higher forces on impacting vehicles and their occupants than do flexible systems, but they do not usually need immediate repair to remain functional except after very severe impacts.

6.4.1.6 Blocked-Out Thrie-Beam (Strong Post)
This system is similar in most respects to the blocked-out W-beam median barrier but is capable of accommodating a larger range of vehicle sizes because of its increased beam depth. Posts may be either wood or steel with blocks of either wood or one of several approved recycled plastics. The use of thrie-beam also eliminates the need for a separate rubrail. Design deflection for this barrier is in the range of 0.3 to 0.9 m [1 to 3 ft], and its typical mounting height is 813 mm [32 in.].

6.4.1.7 Modified Thrie-Beam Median Barrier
Using the spacer blocks developed in conjunction with the modified thrie-beam roadside barrier described in Chapter 5 can significantly enhance performance of the thrie-beam median barrier. This barrier successfully contained and redirected an 8,000-kg [18,000- lb] single-unit truck impacting at a nominal speed of 80 km/h [50 mph] and an impact angle of 15 degrees. The roadside version of this barrier also contained and redirected an 18,000-kg [40,000-lb] intercity bus under the same conditions.

6.4.1.8 Concrete Barrier
The concrete barrier is the most common rigid median barrier in use today. Its popularity is based on its relatively low life-cycle cost, generally effective performance, and its maintenance-free characteristics. Concrete barrier designs vary in shape, construction type, and reinforcement. Research has shown that variations in the profile of the concrete barrier can have a significant effect on barrier performance. The New Jersey shape and F-shape barriers are commonly referred to as "safety shapes."  The safety-shape concrete barriers were designed to minimize damage to vehicles as a result of low-angle impacts and to reduce the occupant impact forces as compared to a vertical wall. The critical variable for these barriers is the height above the road surface of the break between the upper and lower slope. If this break is higher than 330 mm [13 in.], the chances of a vehicle overturning are increased, particularly for compact and subcompact automobiles. Several important factors are related to safety-shape concrete median barriers. For high-angle, high-speed impacts, passenger size vehicles may become partially airborne and in some cases may reach the top of the barrier. Fixed objects (e.g., luminaire supports) on top of the wall may cause snagging or separate from the barrier and fly into opposing traffic lanes. Another factor to consider is that, even for shallow-angle impacts, the roll angle toward the barrier imparted to high-center-of gravity vehicles may be enough to permit contact by the top portion of the cargo box with fixed objects on top of or immediately behind the wall. Bridge piers are one of the common obstacles typically shielded by a concrete safety shape. Single-slope concrete barriers have been developed and tested (3). Slopes of 9.1 degrees and 10.8 degrees have been used successfully on these barriers. The primary advantage of this barrier shape is that the pavement adjacent to it can be overlaid several times without affecting the performance of the barrier. Vertical concrete barrier walls can be an effective alternative to the wider safety-shape barriers and can preserve available median shoulder width at narrow locations, such as in front of bridge piers. A study of rollovers that resulted from crashes with concrete barriers concluded that the vertical wall offers the greatest reduction in rollover potential.

6.4.1.9 Quickchange Moveable Barrier System
This proprietary portable barrier system is composed of a chain of modified F-shape concrete barrier segments 940 mm [37 in.] in length that can be readily shifted laterally. The top of each segment is T-shaped to allow pick up by a special vehicle and lateral movement from 1.2 to 5.5 m [4 to 18 ft]. Two other systems, known as the Steel Reactive Tension System (SRTS) and the Concrete Reactive Tension System (CRTS) are similar to the narrow and standard Quickchange Moveable Barriers, respectively, except that an improved connection is used between modules. This connection contains spring-loaded hinges that keep the individual segments in tension and reduce the dynamic deflection of the system to 0.7 m [2.3 ft].
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on July 30, 2023, 11:43:34 AM
if anyone is interested, you can easily find Indiana Standards for roads on INDOT's website here:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/design/IDM.htm

they even have their own version of the MUTCD which I cannot find any difference between the standard MUTCD.

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/design/mutcd/2011rev3MUTCD.htm
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on July 31, 2023, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on July 30, 2023, 11:43:34 AM
if anyone is interested, you can easily find Indiana Standards for roads on INDOT's website here:

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/design/IDM.htm

they even have their own version of the MUTCD which I cannot find any difference between the standard MUTCD.

https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/design/mutcd/2011rev3MUTCD.htm


A lot of what I've learned in my internship this year ahs been navigating the INDOT bible. That and CAD. Fun resources
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 01, 2023, 08:11:40 PM

Here's a few recent screen grabs from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On the south side of Indianapolis, earthwork for the I-69 mainline has now crossed over S. Belmont Ave; looking north from near the former State Road 37/Banta Road intersection.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Closer look. This point is roughly one mile from the future I-69/I-465 interchange. In the background is the Harding Street power station. Note that when zooming in, whether it's with a handheld camera or a mounted traffic camera, background elements are dramatically pulled in closer.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The Southport Road overpass and interchange; looking south from north of the former SR 37/Banta Road intersection. Banta Road is in the foreground right where the white car is. Construction has not yet commenced on the future southbound bridge over Banta, and it's looking increasingly likely that won't happen until 2024.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking west from near the I-465/US 31-East Street interchange in Indianapolis. In the background, pile driving is underway for the new westbound bridge over S. Meridian Street. To get your bearings, S. Meridian Street is about a mile east of the I-465/State Road 37-Harding Street interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in look.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking north from the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. In this area, new material is being trucked in, spread, and compacted, to form a new roadbed for the northbound lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
After the roadbed material is placed and compacted it's treated with lime. Special trucks disperse the lime, in this case, hydrated lime (dry). Another vehicle then grinds the lime into the sub-base. Heat activates the lime, and the roadbed rapidly begins to harden. Note the somewhat lighter color of the roadbed after the lime treatment. Next step here will be the placing of a layer of base material.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's the lime treatment process underway near the former State Road 37/Banta Road intersection; looking south.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Afternoon zoomed in view looking east toward the new Mann Road overpass from near the I-465/State Road 67-Kentucky Avenue interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: X99 on August 02, 2023, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 01, 2023, 08:11:40 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
Afternoon zoomed in view looking east toward the new Mann Road overpass from near the I-465/State Road 67-Kentucky Avenue interchange.

Looked around the area on google maps for context and I can clarify that's the Mooresville Road overpass. Mann Road is further up past the bend, and not visible from this camera.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 02, 2023, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: X99 on August 02, 2023, 03:08:24 PM

Looked around the area on google maps for context and I can clarify that's the Mooresville Road overpass. Mann Road is further up past the bend, and not visible from this camera.

Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, indeed, it is the Mooresville Road bypass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 04, 2023, 12:50:54 PM
About 9 am noon today, there was an major incident involving an overturned truck just north of the State Road 144 overpass and interchange. Looks like it happened near the changeover, where northbound traffic is redirected back to the northbound roadway.

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Looking south toward the State Road 144 interchange. Seems the excavator is being utilized to fix the concrete barrier.

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Backup, with little movement, as the right northbound lane is closed due to the incident; looking north from near the SR 144 overpass.

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Just 20 minutes after the screen grabs above, traffic has returned to normal.

Update: The incident was much more significant than I initially believed. According to reports, it happened earlier, around 9 am, and involved an overturned truck. This led to the  northbound roadway being closed for nearly three hours (https://fox59.com/indiana-news/indot-truck-overturned-on-i-69-northbound-causes-3-hour-closure/). Some reports state all lanes were blocked. It's very likely both the southbound and northbound lanes were completely closed for a period. The southbound lanes were probably reopened before traffic was able to resume on the northbound roadway. The first two images above depict the end of incident, just prior to the northbound lanes being reopened.

Yikes! What a traffic dilemma this incident presented. I imagine all northbound I-69 traffic was diverted to SR 144/CR 144, and thence, for most, west to SR 67. If the southbound lanes were closed for an extended period, traffic was probably redirected off SR 37 at either Fairland Road or Smith Valley Road. From Fairland, vehicles would be able to travel south on Bluffdale Drive and Old SR 37 to eventually intersect with SR 144 just west of the I-69/SR 144 interchange, and from there, return to I-69.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 07, 2023, 05:17:11 PM

Couple of aerial drone photos grabbed from the I-69 Finish Line Newsletter.

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I-69 Finish Line
Looking north from near the former State Road 37/Banta Road intersection in Marion County. This was taken about a month ago. Since then earthwork has significantly advanced and now crosses S. Belmont Road. The future interchange with I-465 is partially visible in the upper left hand corner.

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I-69 Finish Line
Looking west from near the I-465/SR 37-Harding Street interchange. Girders for the I-69N to I-465W flyover sit ready for placement. The process of erecting them is planned to begin this week. On the left is the future ramp from I-465E to I-69S. In the background is the work zone for the eastbound bridge over the White River.



I-69 Finish Line
The Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange is expected to be partially opened by mid-August. Here's a short video that explains how traffic will be managed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 11, 2023, 12:23:23 PM

Few more pictures. Photos were taken Thursday, August 10, 2023.

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Looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass on the south side of Indianapolis. This point, as many of you already know, is about a mile south of the future I-69/I-465 system interchange. There's been a lot of progress here is the past month. Base material has now been put down for a section of the northbound lanes, while earthwork continues on other sections as well as on the southbound roadway. On the left and right are the future ramps of the partial interchange at Epler.

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The view in the other direction; looking northwest. Ongoing work to remove the surcharge continues. It might be another month before the roadbed begins to take shape here. In the deep background where the crane is located, the first girders for the I-69N to I-465W flyover are visible.

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Closer look.

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Even closer view using the zoom lens.

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Another perspective looking southeast from Epler. State Road 37 is in the background.

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The first set of girders for the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northeast. Although no work was underway in this particular area when I was there, the site, in general, was active. And that was around 8 pm. In the foreground is the future ramp from I-465E to I-69S. The crane is a Manitowoc 2250.

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Longer range perspective. There are three sets of girders to be tied together, with five girders per set. It appears the second set will be the longest and heaviest. This section of ramp will cross over the future lanes of I-465E.

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Closer look of the first set of placed girders; looking northeast. The contractor is, of course, taking all necessary steps to be safe, but until these girders are horizontally tied together and stretched to the pier, it's probably a little dicey. The ironworkers who do the work putting these girders up deserve heaps of credit and respect.

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One of the second set of girders to be placed. The ladder gives an idea of how large these girders are. Behind the sign structure is the pier, which will be the end point for this stage of the girder placement work.

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Future ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking southeast. With the rebar in place, the paving of another strip of concrete is imminent. In the background is the bridge for the I-69N to I-465W ramp. Underneath that bridge will be ramp from I-465W to I-69S.

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One more looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass. On the right is the future on-ramp from Epler. As I was leaving the area, a team was arriving on site for night work.

Again, here's the rendering of the I-69/I-465 interchange. The perspective is toward the northeast.

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Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 11, 2023, 01:49:57 PM

Let's do a few more pictures. Why wait? Again, photos were taken Thursday, August 10, 2023.

Smith Valley Road work zone, Johnson County


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Looking south from the Smith Valley Road overpass. They're getting close to partially opening the interchange at Smith Valley. For the past couple of months, work has been focused on the interchange's two traffic circles, plus the roundabout at Mullinix Road. Once the overpass and southbound ramps open, which might be this weekend or early next, work will shift to other areas in this vicinity with mainline and ramp paving likely to resume.

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The State Road 37/Smith Valley Road intersection; looking northwest. When the overpass and southbound ramps open, the traffic lights will be removed, and left turn access to Smith Valley Road from southbound SR 37 will be sealed off. Additionally, there will be no direct access from northbound SR 37 to Smith Valley.

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The Smith Valley Road overpass; looking east. There will be two travel lanes for eastbound traffic and one west.

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The view looking east from the overpass.

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Another look looking south from the overpass. The car behind the truck was unfortunately broken down and partially blocking the right lane. Although emergency flashers were on, it wasn't a good situation. During the time I was on-site, about 15 minutes, no help or police arrived.

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Decorative elements at the overpass and interchange; looking east.

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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

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Southbound exit ramp to Smith Valley Road; looking north.

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One more looking south, with traffic maneuvering around the stalled car.

I had planned to stop at the SR 144 interchange for a look-see, but the sun was rapidly going down. It's that time of year when summer begins to slowly fade into fall. We're now losing about 15 minutes of daylight each week. Anyway, I drove by to take a peek and saw that construction was well underway on the bridge abutments over Bluff Creek. Earlier, I had noticed that pile driving rigging was on-site at the Banta Road work zone in Marion County. Looks like work on that bridge is now getting underway.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 14, 2023, 03:04:00 PM

Here's some recent screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In preparation to pile driving, cutting the pavement at the former State Road 37/Banta Road intersection. This location is just north of the Southport Road interchange. The bridge that will be built here will carry the southbound mainline.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Last week a culvert was installed under the northbound roadway just north of the State Road 144 interchange in Johnson County.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking southeast from near the Smith Valley Road overpass and future interchange. Plans are to complete and open the northbound lanes in this vicinity by the end of the year.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking west from near the I-465/Harding Street-SR 37 interchange on the south side of Indianapolis. The white strip of road just north of the truck stop parking is the future eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street. In the background, work continues on the bridges for the I-69 interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, the view looking east from near SR 37-Harding Street interchange. In the background (that little patch of white) is the recently built bridge over Bluff Road. After the bridges and roadway for the new eastbound lanes complete, traffic will be shifted to those lanes, and work will commence on the westbound roadway.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another look southeast from near the Smith Valley Road overpass. On weekends, heavier than normal northbound traffic tends to back at the SR 37/Smith Valley Road intersection due to recreational travelers returning home after spending time on the lakes and in the parks of southern Indiana.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on August 14, 2023, 03:56:52 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 14, 2023, 03:04:00 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another look southeast from near the Smith Valley Road overpass. On weekends, heavier than normal northbound traffic tends to back at the SR 37/Smith Valley Road intersection due to recreational travelers returning home after spending time on the lakes and in the parks of southern Indiana.

Yesterday was also IU's biggest move-in day for freshmen, which contributed to a significant amount of congestion. Many of the vehicles here are on their return trip (6:22 pm) from moving in their kids.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 14, 2023, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 14, 2023, 03:56:52 PM
Yesterday was also IU's biggest move-in day for freshmen, which contributed to a significant amount of congestion. Many of the vehicles here are on their return trip (6:22 pm) from moving in their kids.

Yes, indeed. The return trips would account for a lot of traffic. The opening of the residence halls never crossed my mind, and I've live in Bloomington and have for most of my life. Seems like it's earlier this year than usual. So I checked the academic calendar, and, bang, classes start next Monday, the 21st.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on August 15, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 14, 2023, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 14, 2023, 03:56:52 PM
Yesterday was also IU's biggest move-in day for freshmen, which contributed to a significant amount of congestion. Many of the vehicles here are on their return trip (6:22 pm) from moving in their kids.

Yes, indeed. The return trips would account for a lot of traffic. The opening of the residence halls never crossed my mind, and I've live in Bloomington and have for most of my life. Seems like it's earlier this year than usual. So I checked the academic calendar, and, bang, classes start next Monday, the 21st.
Even back in 1974, when I moved into McNutt Quad on the Bloomington Campus of IU as a Freshman, it was mid-August. Met Larry Jo Bird that week, as he lived three rooms down from me for the entire three weeks he went to IU, before he left school (for reasons other than what he mentioned in his book) to move back to French Lick. And the rest is, as they say, history.

On a sad note, I hear Bloomington has lost Swing-In Pizza recently. They used to have the best Stromboli sandwiches I've ever eaten.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 15, 2023, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 15, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
On a sad note, I hear Bloomington has lost Swing-In Pizza recently. They used to have the best Stromboli sandwiches I've ever eaten.

Apparently, Swing-In became Hank's Pizza Mac several months ago.  That's too bad, since my family always ordered pizza from them when we lived there.  That was when it was on W. 17th St, which looked like a dive even in the early '70s.  The move to N. College apparently hurt them.  But they had the best pizza in town, and that's saying a lot!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on August 15, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 15, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 14, 2023, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 14, 2023, 03:56:52 PM
Yesterday was also IU's biggest move-in day for freshmen, which contributed to a significant amount of congestion. Many of the vehicles here are on their return trip (6:22 pm) from moving in their kids.

Yes, indeed. The return trips would account for a lot of traffic. The opening of the residence halls never crossed my mind, and I've live in Bloomington and have for most of my life. Seems like it's earlier this year than usual. So I checked the academic calendar, and, bang, classes start next Monday, the 21st.
Even back in 1974, when I moved into McNutt Quad on the Bloomington Campus of IU as a Freshman, it was mid-August. Met Larry Jo Bird that week, as he lived three rooms down from me for the entire three weeks he went to IU, before he left school (for reasons other than what he mentioned in his book) to move back to French Lick. And the rest is, as they say, history.

On a sad note, I hear Bloomington has lost Swing-In Pizza recently. They used to have the best Stromboli sandwiches I've ever eaten.

Ironically, that's the same building my brother just moved into. The campus traffic was nuts and made my Purdue move-ins look quite tame by comparision.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 15, 2023, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 15, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 14, 2023, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 14, 2023, 03:56:52 PM
Yesterday was also IU's biggest move-in day for freshmen, which contributed to a significant amount of congestion. Many of the vehicles here are on their return trip (6:22 pm) from moving in their kids.

Yes, indeed. The return trips would account for a lot of traffic. The opening of the residence halls never crossed my mind, and I've live in Bloomington and have for most of my life. Seems like it's earlier this year than usual. So I checked the academic calendar, and, bang, classes start next Monday, the 21st.
Even back in 1974, when I moved into McNutt Quad on the Bloomington Campus of IU as a Freshman, it was mid-August. Met Larry Jo Bird that week, as he lived three rooms down from me for the entire three weeks he went to IU, before he left school (for reasons other than what he mentioned in his book) to move back to French Lick. And the rest is, as they say, history.

On a sad note, I hear Bloomington has lost Swing-In Pizza recently. They used to have the best Stromboli sandwiches I've ever eaten.
I went to the 1981 Junior Achievement Convention and stayed in a room at McNutt.  Had these telephones that swiveled in the wall to be shared between rooms.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 16, 2023, 04:36:02 PM

The Smith Valley Road overpass was opened this afternoon, as were the southbound ramps to and from Smith Valley Road. All direct access from State Road 37 to Smith Valley Road is now sealed off, and the traffic signals at the former intersection have now been removed. That means the first light northbound drivers will encounter between Evansville and Indianapolis is at Fairview Road, about a mile north of the Smith Valley Road overpass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Concrete barrier wall is now in place between the roadways at the former intersection to inform southbound drivers who have yet to get the message that, nada, no, you can't turn left anymore onto Smith Valley Road.

Here's a few more screenshots from INDOT Traffic Cameras:

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The I-69/I-465 interchange work zone.
INDOT Traffic Camera

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in look of the ongoing work to place the girders for the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking southeast toward the eastern roundabout at the SR 144 interchange in Johnson County. On the right, the abutments for the new northbound bridge over Bluff Creek appear to be coming along nicely.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Night view, with a lone vehicle traveling southbound.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 17, 2023, 02:53:22 PM
wont the fairview road signal be removed now that smith valley is open?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on August 17, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 11, 2023, 01:49:57 PM
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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

My amateur guess is that it's a swimming pool. Maybe.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 17, 2023, 06:52:48 PM
Some more INDOT Traffic Camera screenshots:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Just a few hours after the partial opening of the interchange at Smith Valley Road, a night paving operation kicked off on the northbound roadway a little north of the overpass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's the next day view. It's possible the paving might continue on up to Fairview Road, which is around the bend and up a bit.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Pile driving for the southbound bridge over Banta Road in southern Marion County. It looks like we have a little rain delay underway.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view earlier in the day, with a delivery of MSE panels.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Arriving for work at the State Road 144 work zone. For those of you who haven't been following the project, this is now the southern most point of construction. The I-69/SR 144 interchange is about 10 miles south of the Indianapolis beltway, I-465. Between Evansville and SR 144, the road is complete and is officially signed I-69.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Late afternoon traffic backing up on the northbound exit ramp to SR 144/CR 144. Although this little backup is minor, it portends a potentially more serious future congestion problem at the SR 144 interchange. New developments continue to spring up in southern Johnson County, particularly around the town of Bargersville, where it's now crossed south of CR 144. Add into that commuter traffic from Johnson County that is traveling not only to the Indianapolis area, but to work sites, as well, in Bloomington, to the large employers there, such as the new regional IU Health Hospital, drug maker Catalent, and Indiana University, and you have a recipe for congestion. Because housing prices are significantly cheaper in Johnson County than they are in Bloomington and Monroe County, this southern commuter traffic has manifested. Moreover, the convenience of I-69 makes it all the easier to travel back and forth. All that green space pictured will undoubtedly see significant development, too, in the next 10—20 years. By then, if not sooner, the SR 144 interchange may be overwhelmed.

Also, I wish to note and express gratitude to fellow forum members who point out errors in my posts, however minor they might be. I try to be accurate, but things slip by from time to time. Moreover, some of you are much more knowledgeable than I, and your imparted expertise is usually insightful and meaningful.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on August 18, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 17, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 11, 2023, 01:49:57 PM
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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

My amateur guess is that it's a swimming pool. Maybe.

It looks like a commercial drive canopy to me.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on August 18, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 18, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 17, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 11, 2023, 01:49:57 PM
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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

My amateur guess is that it's a swimming pool. Maybe.

It looks like a commercial drive canopy to me.

Mike

It's a backyard "in ground" swim pool on its way to someone's house to be installed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SW Indiana on August 19, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 18, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 18, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 17, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 11, 2023, 01:49:57 PM
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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

My amateur guess is that it's a swimming pool. Maybe.

It looks like a commercial drive canopy to me.

Mike

It's a backyard "in ground" swim pool on its way to someone's house to be installed.

Yes it is. It's a fiberglass pool.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on August 19, 2023, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 19, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 18, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 18, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 17, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

My amateur guess is that it's a swimming pool. Maybe.

It looks like a commercial drive canopy to me.

Mike

It's a backyard "in ground" swim pool on its way to someone's house to be installed.

Yes it is. It's a fiberglass pool.

It's either that, or someone is looking to buy a really big paint roller.  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on August 20, 2023, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 19, 2023, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: SW Indiana on August 19, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 18, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 18, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 17, 2023, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: ITB on August 11, 2023, 01:49:57 PM
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An oversize load passing through the Smith Valley Road intersection; looking north. Not sure what it is, but it looks to be a large tub of some sort.

My amateur guess is that it's a swimming pool. Maybe.

It looks like a commercial drive canopy to me.

Mike

It's a backyard "in ground" swim pool on its way to someone's house to be installed.

Yes it is. It's a fiberglass pool.

It's either that, or someone is looking to buy a really big paint roller.  :-D
It's on a truck behind this one off camera. Along with a big bucket of paint and a big screwdriver to open it

Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 22, 2023, 07:11:14 PM

Here's a trio of drone shots grabbed from the most recent I-69 Finish Line project update:

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I-69 Finish Line
Smith Valley Road interchange in Johnson County; looking southwest. In addition to the two teardrop roundabouts of the interchange, another roundabout was built at the Smith Valley Road/Mullinix Road intersection (foreground). In the background, there's a fourth roundabout at the intersection of Smith Valley and Bluffdale Drive. Due to the floodplain of the White River, which runs just behind the body of water and the dark green field (top center/right), almost all development in this area will occur east of the mainline. Although the picture doesn't depict much residential development, it's extensive and is primarily located to the left just out of view. Right now, a good chunk of that open expanse of land shown in the top left is for sale. They're probably asking top dollar and are likely to get it.

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I-69 Finish Line
On the southwest side of Indianapolis, the future bridge that will carry eastbound I-465 over the White River; looking west. On paper, it was simply mentioned as a bridge replacement project. In reality, it's a huge, challenging, costly undertaking. Those precast beams look long and heavy. Plans are to complete the bridge this year and shift traffic onto it. Work will then commence on the replacement westbound span. The main reason these bridges are being replaced, aside from being a little old, is that between I-65 and I-70, I-465 is being widened from three lanes in each direction to four. Behind, in the deep background, is a similar but smaller project for a new bridge over Harmon Ditch.

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I-69 Finish Line
The placement of first set of girders for the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking west. It's looks as if two girders were lifted and set in place at the same time. That's quite impressive, considering the weight involved. Last week, the team finished placing the rest of the girders – there were two more sets of five – to complete the first phase of the girder placement for the flyover. The second phase will take place in 2024.

Weekly updates (https://i69finishline.com/traffic-updates/) for the project can be found on the I-69 Finish Line (https://i69finishline.com/) project website or in your mailbox if you choose to subscribe.

Here's a few INDOT traffic camera screenshots:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Earlier today there was another crash in the work zone, this time on the westbound lanes of I-465 just east of the Harding Street exit.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The resulting backup stretched for more than a mile.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Excavating material to prepare for the final two piles to be pounded for the southbound mainline bridge over Banta Road in Marion County. There's moving quickly here.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Edging the base layer of the future southbound roadway with a geo textile drainage fabric; just north of the Banta Road work zone.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 28, 2023, 05:26:30 PM

Snapped off a few more pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, August 27, 2023, unless otherwise noted.

Construction is rapidly moving forward. In Johnson County, the Rieth Riley/Crider & Crider JV is nearing the completion of their contract. They're in the final stages. By early November, the section of mainline from State Road 144 to Fairview Road should be close to wrapping up. Up at the future I-465 interchange, the Walsh-Milestone JV is pushing hard and progress is clearly evident.

Some of the pictures might now seem a little repetitious, as the same views are once again presented. That's because there's only so many good places to take pictures. Unfortunately, the terrain is mostly flat in the areas where construction is happening now.

Anyway, to the photos. Let's start with the Smith Valley Road work zone.

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The Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange in Johnson County; looking northwest. On the right is the interchange's decorative element – a trio of huge planter-like bowls. Aside from putting in some bushes, and perhaps a couple of benches, I can't imagine what else these were built for.

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Looking south from the Smith Valley Road overpass. The northbound exit ramp to Smith Valley is now mostly paved.

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Link-Belt crane at the work zone; looking northwest. Interesting to see that when the outriggers are deployed, the vehicle and crane is completely lifted from the ground.

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And here's the partially paved northbound exit ramp; looking southwest.

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Looking east toward Smith Valley Road. Although the picture barely shows it, there's another roundabout there – at Mullinix Road. It's where the white car is, navigating the circle (expand the photo). That's going to be a busy roundabout, as there's been a lot of development south off of Mullinix and more is planned.

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Another view looking slightly northwest from near the overpass. That's one end of a culvert. The other end is probably on the other side of the realigned Smith Valley Road.

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Looking south again from the overpass, this time using the long range lens. The SR 144 overpass and interchange is in the deep background.

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The northbound exit ramp to Smith Valley Road; looking north. They'll likely pave this narrow strip this week. The concrete slab looks to be 10 or 12 inches thick.

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Wider angle perspective of the Smith Valley Road overpass; looking northwest.

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Another view looking north from the overpass. Work will soon get underway on completing the MSE retaining wall for the northbound entrance ramp (right). From the point in the mid-background, the northbound lanes are now mostly paved up to Fairview Road. They've been doing the work at night.

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Different perspective of the Link-Belt crane; looking northwest.

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One more looking south from the overpass.

There's more photos to come, just give me a little time to go through them before posting.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 29, 2023, 02:12:49 PM
Last night the beams were set for the new northbound bridge over Bluff Creek, located just south of the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. In total, six beams were placed. I was on site and watched as beams two through four were lifted and set. It was a perfect night for the task, not too warm and, more importantly, no wind. The work site was relatively quiet, and work proceeded at a calm, steady pace. From start to finish, it was taking about 30 minutes to place each beam.

Instead of replacing the previous bridge with a similarly sized bridge, the new bridge will be narrower and will carry only two lanes. The old bridge carried two through lanes, plus a left turn lane to SR 144 as well as a right turn lane, but had a very narrow right shoulder. The new bridge will have the same standard-sized shoulders as the roadway, so it's still going to be a fairly wide bridge.

To the pictures, all night shots. Night photography is a whole different ballgame compared to shooting in daylight. The cutting edge sensors of newer cameras make it a lot easier. But I haven't taken that plunge yet. So I made do with my 7D, the tripod, and just jacked up the ISO. Photos were taken Monday, August 28, 2023.

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Lowering the second beam into place; looking south from the State Road 144 overpass.

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Just minutes earlier the beam had been lifted from the transporting truck. The trucks were stationed in the present northbound traffic lane, currently running on the southbound mainline bridge. As a result, northbound traffic was diverted to the SR 144 exit ramp, where a quick half swing around the roundabout allowed easy access to the northbound entrance ramp, and a quick return to the northbound lanes. However, a few drivers were a little confused when they reached the roundabout and were unsure what to do. Some signage may have helped but was lacking.

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Uncoupling the cables after the beam is set.

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Closer look.

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Attaching the cables to another beam. Two cranes were used during the process, one south of the creek, the other to the north. The workers who are looking over the sidewall were tasked with removing the chain rigging that tied down the beam to the truck.

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With the cranes working in tandem, the beam is slowly swung and then lowered.

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Positioning the beam exactly where it needs to go. This is the kind of job when, in training, they tell you "don't ever do such and such" you'd better be paying attention.

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Lifting and swinging over the fourth beam.

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And putting it into place. Only two more to go. Stay safe guys. Be assured your hard work is valued and appreciated.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jhuntin1 on August 30, 2023, 07:01:55 AM
Thanks for staying up late last night to bring us those pictures of the beam placement. They look great!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rte66man on August 30, 2023, 12:01:56 PM
My eye was immediately drawn to the guy in the red hard hat who isn't wearing a reflective vest. It's also possible he didn't have on reflective eyewear. I'm surprised no one appears to care onsite.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on August 30, 2023, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: rte66man on August 30, 2023, 12:01:56 PM
My eye was immediately drawn to the guy in the red hard hat who isn't wearing a reflective vest. It's also possible he didn't have on reflective eyewear. I'm surprised no one appears to care onsite.
:eyebrow:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 31, 2023, 01:17:54 AM
Some more pictures. Best to get them posted before they become stale. Photos were taken Sunday, August 27, 2023.

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On the south side of Indianapolis, the girders for the flyover ramp that will take northbound I-69 to the westbound lanes of I-465; looking northeast. The was the first phase of the girder placement. Phase two will take place next year after the bridge's north abutment is constructed. The concrete and rebar in the foreground is the future ramp from I-465E to I-69S.

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Different angle; looking north. Although the picture doesn't show it, the new, realigned eastbound roadway of I-465 is located just in front of the pier. The base of the scaffolding is sitting on concrete pavement. Actually, it's on a thick layer of dirt that's been put down to protect the concrete.

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Beginning to remove the scaffolding support; looking north. I'm not sure how this process works. The pieces of steel on the top, I imagine, are welded together. What piece is to be removed first? There's bound to be some deflection in the girder once the support is removed. How much? I have no idea. Even if it's only a few inches, that's still an enormous amount of pressure on a support point. This disassembly, I imagine, is most likely done very carefully, at least in the initial stages.

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Closer look.

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Looking northwest from the Epler Avenue overpass. The girders pictured above are visible in the background (better seen when the photo is expanded). Work to remove the surcharge continues; in fact, a team was getting going as the sun was sinking in the sky — and this was Sunday.

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Couple of dump trucks rumbling toward to surcharge removal area (top left).

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An excavator — the one on the right — on the move toward the surcharge area. It appeared the excavator they had planned to use broke down, so they went and got another.

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Another look northwest. On the top left is a sliver of the future ramp from I-465E to I-69S.

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Somewhat closer look at the work underway to remove that mound of dirt, er, surcharge.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on August 31, 2023, 08:13:54 AM
Quote from: rte66man on August 30, 2023, 12:01:56 PM
My eye was immediately drawn to the guy in the red hard hat who isn't wearing a reflective vest. It's also possible he didn't have on reflective eyewear. I'm surprised no one appears to care onsite.

Welcome to construction  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on August 31, 2023, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 31, 2023, 08:13:54 AM
Quote from: rte66man on August 30, 2023, 12:01:56 PM
My eye was immediately drawn to the guy in the red hard hat who isn't wearing a reflective vest. It's also possible he didn't have on reflective eyewear. I'm surprised no one appears to care onsite.

Welcome to construction  :-D
Depends on the state.  There will be issues everywhere, but last time I drove through Maine, the lax attitude towards hi-viz/safety gear was both amusing and shocking.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 31, 2023, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on August 31, 2023, 08:13:54 AM
Quote from: rte66man on August 30, 2023, 12:01:56 PM
My eye was immediately drawn to the guy in the red hard hat who isn't wearing a reflective vest. It's also possible he didn't have on reflective eyewear. I'm surprised no one appears to care onsite.

Welcome to construction  :-D

To be fair, the shirt the guy was wearing had reflective qualities similar to a vest. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Protective eyewear? Maybe it wasn't required for the job at hand. And if anyone had any issues with attire, it would have been brought up at the pre-start briefing. But, in general, I agree with your assessment. It's a concern. Everyone should be wearing a reflective safety vest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on August 31, 2023, 03:52:02 PM

Last batch of pictures. For now. Again, photos were taken Sunday, August 27, 2023.

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Looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass. Coming along nicely. It looks like they're getting close to doing some paving. This section will be asphalt. On the right is the southbound entrance ramp from Epler.

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Closer look.

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The southbound entrance ramp from Epler Avenue; looking southeast.

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Here's a ground level view.

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Turning around, the Epler Avenue overpass; looking northwest. When the photo is expanded, the girders of the I-69N to I-465W flyover are partially visible underneath the overpass.

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Closer look.

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Another perspective looking slightly southeast from near the Epler Avenue overpass. The two vehicles on the right (foreground) carry quicklime or hydrated lime, used to harden up the roadbed.

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Zoomed in view. On the right in the deep background, the Southport Road overpass is partially visible (better seen when the photo is expanded).

Lots of visible progress. It seems to change almost weekly.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 05, 2023, 01:58:53 AM
More pictures. With the Labor Day weekend at hand, I figured there wouldn't be a better opportunity to explore the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone for a close up look-see.

Photos were taken Sunday, September 3, 2023.

For those who haven't been regularly following the project, here, again, is the I-69/I-465 system interchange schematic:

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Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team

Few guidance points:
• Perspective of the schematic is to the northeast
• I-465, the Indianapolis beltway, is the main road depicted, running from near the image's left corner to the upper right corner
• I-69N to I-465W flyover is located in the lower left; that's the one where girders are being used
• I-465W to I-69S flyover ramp is found in the middle
• Bridge that carries the ramp from I-69N to I-465W over the ramp from I-465W to I-69S, bottom center
• Ramp from I-465E to I-69S, bottom left
• Epler Avenue and the Epler Avenue overpass, which run roughly parallel to I-465 in the area depicted, are not pictured, but are located near the right corner of the image
• Ramp just below I-465 mainline is the realigned exit ramp to Harding Street

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Girders of the flyover ramp that will take I-69N to I-465W; looking northwest.

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Different perspective; looking east. The concrete pavement will be the new, realigned roadway for I-465E.

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Ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking southeast. In the background is the bridge that will carry the ramp from I-69N to I-465W over the ramp from I-465W to I-69S.

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Flyover that will take traffic from I-465W to I-69S; looking northeast. Originally, this bridge was to be constructed with girders. However, design modifications that shortened the bridge allowed pre-cast concrete beams to be used instead.

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On the south side of Indianapolis, looking east toward I-465 from the future I-69/I-465 interchange. On the left is the new eastbound roadway of I-465, while in the forefront is the exit ramp from I-465E to Harding Street. The bridge going over the Harding ramp will carry the ramp from I-69N to I-465E.

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Another view looking east toward the I-465W to I-69S flyover. On the right is the realigned exit ramp to Harding Street; on the left, the new eastbound lanes of I-465.

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Zoomed in look at I-465; looking east. The first hump is where Harding Street is located. Beyond, the second, the location of Bluff Road. A small piece of the new exit ramp to Harding Street is on the right.

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Closer look of the bridge that will carry the I-69N to I-465 ramp over the ramp from I-465W to I-69S; looking northeast.

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Another perspective of the above pictured bridge as well as the ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking southeast.

More to come. I'll try to get them posted tomorrow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 05, 2023, 11:40:29 PM

Another set. Photos were taken Sunday, September 3, 2023.

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Ramp that will take traffic from I-465E to I-69S; looking slightly southeast. Of interest, the shoulders of this section have been tined, but the driving lanes have not. Since vehicles will be traveling at speed here, it's possible deeper cut grooves are called for, more so than what tining can provide.

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The ramp currently ends at a mound of dirt, aka, the surcharge. Work has been ongoing to remove the pile, and if necessary, it could be cleared in a week or two. But the task seems to be paced more deliberately, probably because the material is being used as fill in sections along the I-465 work zone.

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Turning around, here's the view in the other direction. Although the position of the sun was not advantageous, the photo shows more clearly the tining of the shoulder as well as a sweet beveled edge. Why that line was scored vertically in the concrete I have no idea. If anyone knows, please chime in.

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The view looking northwest from the Epler Avenue overpass. Finally, the roadbed is taking shape here. In the top left a sliver of the ramp pictured above is discernible (better seen when the photo is expanded). The surcharge is much smaller than it used to be and will likely be gone by the end of the month, if not sooner.

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Looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass. It appears the section past the cones and orange barrels is nearly ready for paving. It will be asphalt. More than likely, they'll pave the southbound roadway down to near Banta Road, a distance of about a mile, maybe a bit more. Why would they wait?

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Looking northwest toward the flyover that will take I-69N traffic to I-465W. This is spot where the realigned exit ramp to Harding Street begins to diverge from I-465E. Note that no construction is underway on the other side I-465. That won't kick off until 2024.

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Here's what it looks like facing east at ground level.

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Harding Street exit ramp; looking east. As noted before, it goes underneath the flyover that will take traffic from I-465W to I-69S, and further back, the bridge that will carry the ramp from I-69N to I-465E.

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Another look of the girders of the flyover that will take the ramp from I-69N to I-465W; looking west. E&B Paving (https://ebpaving.com/), a sub-contractor on this project, is one of Indiana's main road and bridge building firms. Founded in 1967 by Jack Euratte and Richard Bedwell (the E&B of E&B Paving), the company now does dozens of projects every year, both large and small, throughout the state.

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The bridge that will carry the ramp from I-69N to I-465 over the ramp from I-465W to I-69S; looking northeast. In the background is the partially built flyover that will take traffic from I-465W to I-69S. If all goes as planned, cars and trucks will be roaring through here in less than 16 months.

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Another view looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass. On the right, adjacent to the southbound entrance ramp from Epler, is the new local access road, connecting S. Belmont Avenue to Epler Avenue.

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Closer look of the new connector road.

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One more look at the girders for the flyover that will take traffic from I-69N to I-465W; looking north.

That's all for now. I'm considering taking a look-see at the ongoing bridge work on the I-465 section of the project. We'll see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 07, 2023, 03:33:02 PM

This was posted in the I-69 Ohio River Bridge discussion forum, but as it applies to the project in general, I'm cross-posting it here.

According to an  Inside Indiana Business report (https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/articles/federal-funding-could-speed-up-ohio-river-crossing-timeline), if the full $632 million federal grant, which Indiana and Kentucky applied for last month, is awarded in timely fashion, construction of the Ohio bridge would likely be moved up to 2025, two years earlier than previously planned.

The article should be available to read for most who wish to do so. However, if one regularly browses material on the Inside Indiana Business website (https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/) and is not a subscriber, access to the article may not be granted in full.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 10, 2023, 02:44:40 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 07, 2023, 03:33:02 PM

This was posted in the I-69 Ohio River Bridge discussion forum, but as it applies to the project in general, I'm cross-posting it here.

According to an  Inside Indiana Business report (https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/articles/federal-funding-could-speed-up-ohio-river-crossing-timeline), if the full $632 million federal grant, which Indiana and Kentucky applied for last month, is awarded in timely fashion, construction of the Ohio bridge would likely be moved up to 2025, two years earlier than previously planned.

The article should be available to read for most who wish to do so. However, if one regularly browses material on the Inside Indiana Business website (https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/) and is not a subscriber, access to the article may not be granted in full.

I posted pictures of the first work on the ground for I-69 in Henderson KY, over in that same Ohio River Bridge thread. I made the comment, "the pictures are not ITB quality" which was meant as a nod to you and what you have done here.

Hopefully, someone who lives in Evansville or Henderson can be just a dedicated! It's the pictures that makes this one of the more popular threads at AARoads.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2023, 05:18:25 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on September 10, 2023, 02:44:40 PM
I posted pictures of the first work on the ground for I-69 in Henderson KY, over in that same Ohio River Bridge thread. I made the comment, "the pictures are not ITB quality" which was meant as a nod to you and what you have done here.

Hopefully, someone who lives in Evansville or Henderson can be just a dedicated! It's the pictures that makes this one of the more popular threads at AARoads.

Thanks for the kind words. And thanks for posting the pictures of the work underway in Henderson. Always good to see visual confirmation that things are moving forward.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 10, 2023, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 05, 2023, 01:58:53 AM
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Do the colors mean anything in particular here, or do they just allow for a more general way of distinguishing between them?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 10, 2023, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 10, 2023, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 05, 2023, 01:58:53 AM
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Do the colors mean anything in particular here, or do they just allow for a more general way of distinguishing between them?
If it is Fiber Optics, yes colors have meaning. I can't imagine multiple different utilities running together like that (orange=telecom; red=power; blue=water, etc)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on September 10, 2023, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 10, 2023, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 10, 2023, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 05, 2023, 01:58:53 AM
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Do the colors mean anything in particular here, or do they just allow for a more general way of distinguishing between them?
If it is Fiber Optics, yes colors have meaning. I can’t imagine multiple different utilities running together like that (orange=telecom; red=power; blue=water, etc)
The below chart is not all inclusive, but the colors of the fiber optic cables indicate the mode of data transport and the data rate being carried by that trunk cable.
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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 10, 2023, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 10, 2023, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 10, 2023, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 10, 2023, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on September 05, 2023, 01:58:53 AM
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Do the colors mean anything in particular here, or do they just allow for a more general way of distinguishing between them?
If it is Fiber Optics, yes colors have meaning. I can't imagine multiple different utilities running together like that (orange=telecom; red=power; blue=water, etc)
The below chart is not all inclusive, but the colors of the fiber optic cables indicate the mode of data transport and the data rate being carried by that trunk cable.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.leviton.com%2Fsites%2Fblogs.leviton.com%2Ffiles%2Ffiber-colorsb.jpg&hash=e9fd6313e79db6df412033330ffcd85d6ab67de8)

That color list is for the indoor use of fiber.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 10, 2023, 11:51:31 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 10, 2023, 05:22:04 PM

Do the colors mean anything in particular here, or do they just allow for a more general way of distinguishing between them?

While I have little knowledge of electrical or fiber systems, I'll take a stab here. The wires appear to be cables that carry electricity. Aside from fiber cable, what else could they be? But this leads to the question of why? Electrical wiring and harnesses, we know, are necessary to power up the high mast lights and sign lighting at the interchange. But fiber? Why would fiber cables be put underground in the middle of a large interstate interchange? It doesn't make much sense.

The different cable colors are probably used to help identify what goes where. For instance, the orange cable might be used to power up a certain area or set of lights, while the aqua, another area. In a malfunction or an outage, the repair crew would know with some certainty, what cable to focus on as they trace it back to the harness and power source. Think about it. If the wires all had black coverings, they'd have to marked in certain ways to identify them, and it they got turned a bit, well. The different wire colors make this identification process easier.

Now the different wires may carry varying degrees of voltage. I don't know one way or the other. However, it seems as if the wiring and harnesses used to power up sign lights would need to carry less power than those used for the high mast lights. And speaking of voltage, those cables look like they carry serious juice.

Bear in mind, all the above might be way off base. If anyone knows more about these cables and why they have different colors, please chime in.

Here's another view showing the same set of cables:

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The boxes seem to be electrical equipment. What purpose they serve, I don't know.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 11, 2023, 12:10:02 AM
Electric would make more sense, but I'm a telecom guy

There is a "color code"  to sequencing fiber optic cables, but in an Outside Plant Environment (as this is), the outer sheath would almost certainly be black

Also, very small chance that many fiber cables in those big of bundles/tubes would be there, unless there was a major utility relocation for multiple providers' fiber routes
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on September 11, 2023, 10:24:43 AM
More likely to be 220-240v because I don't think 440v can be jacketed. Need a field electrician to weigh in.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on September 11, 2023, 03:44:09 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 11, 2023, 12:10:02 AM
Electric would make more sense, but I'm a telecom guy

There is a "color code"  to sequencing fiber optic cables, but in an Outside Plant Environment (as this is), the outer sheath would almost certainly be black

Also, very small chance that many fiber cables in those big of bundles/tubes would be there, unless there was a major utility relocation for multiple providers' fiber routes

Fiber "innerducts" used in traffic signal and other installations are often color coded so that it's easier to trace what is in what innerduct especially where a splice needs to be made at a handhole. I am not sure the color coding is related to anything other than IDing the particular duct.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 11, 2023, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on September 11, 2023, 03:44:09 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 11, 2023, 12:10:02 AM
Electric would make more sense, but I'm a telecom guy

There is a "color code"  to sequencing fiber optic cables, but in an Outside Plant Environment (as this is), the outer sheath would almost certainly be black

Also, very small chance that many fiber cables in those big of bundles/tubes would be there, unless there was a major utility relocation for multiple providers' fiber routes

Fiber "innerducts" used in traffic signal and other installations are often color coded so that it's easier to trace what is in what innerduct especially where a splice needs to be made at a handhole. I am not sure the color coding is related to anything other than IDing the particular duct.
The number of ducts shown here rivals the amount of fiber that Verizon placed in the Lower Manhattan Switching Office after Hurricane Sandy destroyed the copper cables, which took up a lot more space. A relatively small number of individual fibers can carry a crap-ton of signaling/data/etc

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: monty on September 11, 2023, 09:25:25 PM
Do the cables have something to do with this? https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2023/Q3/purdues-talking-concrete-embedded-into-new-i-465-and-i-69-interchange-in-indianapolis.html
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 12, 2023, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: monty on September 11, 2023, 09:25:25 PM
Do the cables have something to do with this? https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2023/Q3/purdues-talking-concrete-embedded-into-new-i-465-and-i-69-interchange-in-indianapolis.html

No, the cable wiring has nothing to do the concrete sensors. These sensors are small devices that are embedded in concrete. They are probably powered by a tiny lithium battery. The sensors transmit data either by bluetooth or by a a small, thin cable that is plugged into a hand-held device. The sensors provide real-time information to help determine how the concrete is curing. In paving operations, this helps pinpoint the time when it will be ready to carry traffic. It's one of the new things in the concrete industry.

Read more about the sensors  here (https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2023/Q1/talking-concrete-could-help-prevent-traffic-jams-and-cut-carbon-emissions-interstates-throughout-u.s.-consider-purdue-invention-to-reduce-road-repairs.html) and here (https://concretesensors.com/).

In regards to the different colors of the electrical cables, which is called color coding, it's used to help with identification. Read more about it  here (https://www.bradyid.com/resources/wiring-color-codes).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 12, 2023, 11:39:27 PM
Paving has started on the section of southbound roadway between the future bridge over Banta Road and the Epler Avenue overpass. As expected, it's asphalt.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Night work. Looking north from near the former SR 37/Banta Road intersection on the south side of Indianapolis. The towers of downtown Indianapolis are in the background center.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking slightly southeast.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another looking north.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Lot of activity.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And one more. Why they are paving at night instead of during the day I don't know.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 13, 2023, 12:25:13 AM

Here's some more screen grabs from INDOT traffic cameras. Some are more recent, others a couple weeks old.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking north from the State Road 144 overpass. They did some more work on the culvert, but otherwise this little section looks as if it's about ready to be paved.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In Johnson County, looking north from the Smith Valley Road interchange. The northbound roadway is now paved from just south of the bridges over Honey Creek up to Fairview Road. The approach slabs at the bridge still need to constructed.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking south toward the Fairview Road intersection. Lights are still up there, but should be gone by the end of October or shortly thereafter.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
At the SR 37/Harding Street westbound exit, heavy traffic heading to the IU-Ohio State football game in Bloomington backs up onto I-465.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Not exactly sure how this happened. On Huggin Hollow Road just southwest of the I-69/SR 144 overpass, it appears a vehicle got into the grass and was unable to get out. Police were on the scene a few minutes later.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Late night capture looking southeast from the Smith Valley Road interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 13, 2023, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 12, 2023, 10:21:08 PM
In regards to the different colors of the electrical cables, which is called color coding, it's used to help with identification. Read more about it  here (https://www.bradyid.com/resources/wiring-color-codes).

That's more for individual wires in walls and devices and so on, isn't it? I don't think that big green cable, for example, is a ground just on its own, but rather has live wires and neutrals and grounds inside it.

I admit I could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on September 13, 2023, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 13, 2023, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 12, 2023, 10:21:08 PM
In regards to the different colors of the electrical cables, which is called color coding, it's used to help with identification. Read more about it  here (https://www.bradyid.com/resources/wiring-color-codes).


That's more for individual wires in walls and devices and so on, isn't it? I don't think that big green cable, for example, is a ground just on its own, but rather has live wires and neutrals and grounds inside it.

I admit I could be wrong, though.

It has the appearance of what they call "nonmetallic coilable conduit" or "smooth wall innerduct" both of which are typically made out of polyethylene or HPDE and come in coils of several hundred feet so that there are no splices between electric handholes or communication vaults.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 14, 2023, 04:21:04 PM

Some more screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Inspecting the paving work from the night before; looking southeast from about a mile north of the Southport Road overpass on the far south side of Indianapolis.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around; looking north. Getting ready for another night of paving. The weather of late has been ideal for road construction work, especially paving.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Working through the night.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the south in Johnson County, a base layer of asphalt is being put down for the short segment just north of the State Road 144 overpass; looking north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 18, 2023, 03:49:46 PM
There was a minor incident today on northbound State Road 37 about a mile south of I-465.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looks like the truck made contact with the barrier wall. It appears no other vehicles were involved. Initially, both northbound lanes were blocked, but soon after traffic began to exit onto Edgewood Avenue.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Traffic quickly backed up.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
With the help of construction crew members and the police, the truck was able to backup onto Edgewood Avenue.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Talking it over.

Here's a screenshot of the Banta Road work zone:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Constructing the MSE wall for the south abutment of the bridge that will carry the southbound mainline over Banta Road. For those who are unfamiliar with the acronym, MSE = Mechanically Stabilized Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanically_stabilized_earth).

And just to the north:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Burying the electrical cables that will power the high mast lights and the lights of overhead signs. It looks like the trench is about two or three feet deep.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 21, 2023, 06:59:54 PM

Some new pictures. Nothing special. With a cloud bank darkening the sky, I only had enough light to check out one location – a familiar one, the Epler Avenue overpass.

Photos were taken Wednesday, September 20, 2023.

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Assembling for another night of work; looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass on the far south side of Indianapolis.

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Different perspective, again looking southeast.

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With the sky darkening and the work zone activating, the team moved over to the location of the future northbound exit ramp to Epler.

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Getting ready, positioning equipment. Night was falling quickly.

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Earlier, a long range view of the work zone.

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And one more.

Here's a quartet of screen shots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Earlier in the day a base layer of porous asphalt was put down here. It's a small section of only about 300 yards.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view in the other direction. Unusual that there was no traffic whatsoever in either direction.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's what it looked like earlier in the day. They might start with the concrete paving tonight.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's another view of an electrical team at work; looking north from near the Banta Road work zone.

If interested, access INDOT traffic cameras here (https://511in.org/@-86.36288,39.50217,9?show=incidents,normalCameras,stationsAlert,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding). Zoom in and click on the camera you wish to view. If there are two circles underneath the image, click on one, then the other. From time to time, a camera will go down, so if it's not working it might be back up in a hour or perhaps the next day. Due to the ongoing construction on I-465, a couple of cameras are currently down long term, in particular the camera at Mann Road. Not all cameras are equal. Some newer ones do well at night, others don't.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on September 21, 2023, 08:50:46 PM
I spy a SB BGS for Southport Rd in the distance - about time they start putting some up
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on September 23, 2023, 04:11:43 PM
Yesterday was a big day for the contractors working to complete Contract 4 (https://www.rieth-riley.com/the-i-69-contract-4-project-summary/). At the State Road 144 work zone, the deck was poured for the northbound mainline bridge over Bluff Creek just south of the interchange. This is the last bridge to be completed for Contract 4. To the north, at the Smith Valley Road work zone, concrete paving commenced on the short, unfinished section of northbound roadway.

Here's some screen shots:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Early in the morning, the concrete pump truck sets up for the deck pour at the bridge over Bluff Creek. Apparently, without a manual adjustment, this camera is unable to be turned more toward the southwest.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Later, with the sun rising, the final checks before the pour.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And in short order, the pour is nearly completed. In total, it took a little over two hours.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Completed and curing, as the afternoon begins to wind down.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
A morning view looking north from the State Road 144 work zone. The small, uncompleted section will likely receive its concrete pavement in the next two weeks or so, after paving completes at the Smith Valley Road work zone.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And, speaking of the Smith Valley Road work zone, here's the paving crew at work, heading north in the morning.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Just a few hours later, finishing up.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the north, here's a snap of the Banta Road work zone on the far south side of Indianapolis from three days ago, as work continues on the south abutment for the southbound mainline bridge. If it looks like the northbound bridge over Banta Road is a little low, it is. Work is planned to start the first week of October to lower Banta Road in this vicinity.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Two days later the MSE wall work is all but complete, with a quality assurance inspection underway.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another view of the Smith Valley Road work zone as evening falls in central Indiana, and as summer turns to fall.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:00:31 PM
Indiana does it better than Wisconsin with putting roundabouts by freeways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on September 23, 2023, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:00:31 PM
Indiana does it better than Wisconsin with putting roundabouts by freeways.
Illinois is beginning to, also. I-57 & IL 149 at West Frankfurt will become a roundabout diamond instead of the traditional diamond it is now
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on September 25, 2023, 08:54:06 AM
So does I-69 technically go all the way up to Southport road now?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 02, 2023, 10:03:12 AM
Everything up to where the I-465 interchange is marked Future 69 (with the future signs looking VERY temporary looking)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 03, 2023, 08:50:02 AM

Here's another batch of screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Last Friday the northbound roadway in the vicinity of the Smith Valley Road interchange received its final strip of concrete pavement. With the northbound exit ramp to Smith Valley Road already paved up, the only remaining major element to be completed at the interchange is the northbound entrance ramp.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view in the other direction; looking southeast. As paving is now complete, attention will now shift to the median and the installation of the median barrier, which will probably be a double-faced guardrail.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On the south side of Indianapolis, work continues on the north abutment for the southbound mainline bridge over Banta Road. Also, work is underway to lower Banta Road in the area, with the milling of pavement the first step.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
View looking north from the State Road 144 interchange. According to I-69 Finish Line newsletter, the paving of the two small northbound sections in this area — one south of the bridge over Bluff Creak, the other north — will be getting underway this week and next.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
A few days ago, thick early morning fog enveloped areas in south-central Indiana. Here's what is looked like at the Smith Valley Road interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On I-465, the future eastbound lanes are now receiving their concrete pavement between Bluff Road and Harding Street. A sliver of the future eastbound bridge over Harding Street is in the lower right. Good chance the crane will be used to lift the bridge deck finisher into place.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Also on I-465, pounding piles for the future eastbound bridge over Haueisen Ditch just west of the SR 37/Harding Street interchange. Although this will be a short bridge, it will be wide, carrying four lanes of traffic. It appears there are sheet piles on site, so they might be constructing cofferdams. They will do what they need to do to complete the bridge in timely fashion.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view looking west toward the Harding Street exit ramp, with the I-69 interchange work zone in the background.

Couple of grabs from the I-69 Finish Line newsletter:

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I-69 Finish Line newsletter
Looking east toward the future I-465 eastbound mainline bridge over the White River on the south side of Indianapolis. From this vantage point, it appears the plan is to shift all I-465 traffic, both westbound and eastbound, to the new eastbound lanes when they complete. That will allow work to commence on the future westbound lanes as well as the abutments for the I-69 interchange flyovers. In the deep background, the road veering off right is the future ramp to I-69S.

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I-69 Finish Line newsletter
I-465/US 31-East Street interchange; looking west.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
One more. An evening view of the newly paved northbound lanes at the Smith Valley Road interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 04, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
Biggest issue is the remaining stopllights. In my opinion INDOT has been keeping the remaining stoplight intersections open far far to long.

Fairview is the last stoplight intersection I belive, and its super dangerous as everything else looks interstate and its been rear end buttbanger city.
I know there are businesses there that will end up getting screwed pretty hard, but might as well get it done sooner then later.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 04, 2023, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: ITB on September 18, 2023, 03:49:46 PM
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Does anyone know what's up with that pipe sticking up from the soon to be shoulder of the road?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 04, 2023, 03:58:09 PM
Well, it happened again. A tractor-trailer has overturned near the northbound crossover just north of the State Road 144 overpass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The incident occurred about noon 11:20am. Authorities were quick to completely close the northbound lanes. In time, traffic already on one-lane section was able to proceed around the wreck.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Nearly three hours later, all northbound traffic was still being detoured to State Road 144.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Strange to see the northbound lanes completely deserted in the afternoon.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Southbound traffic exiting to SR 144 was backing up because of increased traffic on the overpass and roundabouts. Still no northbound traffic. Appears to be a difficult and complex cleanup. The crash happened just to bottom left of the INDOT seal. It's not really visible even when the photo is expanded, but that's the location.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Four hours and counting. Wow.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The resulting back up extended well past the Waverly Road overpass, which is roughly a mile and a half south of the SR 144 interchange.

Update: The crash involved a semi and a pickup truck. Injuries were reported but were not considered critical. As of 6 pm, more than six hours after the incident, the northbound lanes remained closed. At about 6:10 pm, the northbound lanes were finally reopened. Here's a link to a short news story (https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/overturned-semi-shuts-down-nb-i-69-near-bargersville/), which includes a picture of the wrecked truck.

Edit: I removed the Banta Road photo because it didn't pertain to the incident.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 04, 2023, 07:47:26 PM
Here's the picture that I removed from the above post. Actually, it doesn't depict Banta Road, but for simplicity I labeled it that because the camera is located just to the north.

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Last night, paving resumed for the future southbound roadway south of the Epler Avenue overpass. This is the fourth layer of asphalt to be put down.

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Turning around, the view the day after, looking slightly southeast. As for the white tube near the edge of the roadway, it's a pipe for drainage. Initially, I thought it might be some sort of measurement tube to help ensure the proper thickness of the asphalt was being put down. But that was wrong. From this angle, it's clear it's a drainage pipe. Note a section of the same diameter tube extending from the embankment. Obviously, the two tubes are connected. When paving completes, the top of the pipe will be cut flush and a drain will be attached.

Edit: grammar and minor wording changes
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 05, 2023, 12:15:35 PM

The south-facing camera at the State Road 144 interchange was adjusted earlier today to focus on the overpass. Here's the new image:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
With rebar assemblies in place (bottom center), the paving of a strip of concrete pavement looks to be imminent.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
At the Banta Road work zone on the south side of Indianpolis, we have a new perspective as well. Work on the north abutment's MSE wall appears to nearly complete. Work also is proceeding rapidly to lower Banta Road. The road projecting off north is S. Belmont Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: FixThe74Sign on October 05, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
We have all seen the new 465/69 interchange, but I can't find any details about 465. How are they going to handle the left hand on ramps at US 31? There doesn't seem to be enough room for an added travel lane. How is this going to connect to 465 on the west side that is already at 4 lanes? What about the train bridge?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 06, 2023, 07:57:30 AM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on October 05, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
We have all seen the new 465/69 interchange, but I can't find any details about 465. How are they going to handle the left hand on ramps at US 31? There doesn't seem to be enough room for an added travel lane. How is this going to connect to 465 on the west side that is already at 4 lanes? What about the train bridge?

train bridge will have substandard shoulders but will have full sized lanes, this was discussed above. as for 31? I have no idea.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on October 06, 2023, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 06, 2023, 07:57:30 AM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on October 05, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
We have all seen the new 465/69 interchange, but I can't find any details about 465. How are they going to handle the left hand on ramps at US 31? There doesn't seem to be enough room for an added travel lane. How is this going to connect to 465 on the west side that is already at 4 lanes? What about the train bridge?

train bridge will have substandard shoulders but will have full sized lanes, this was discussed above. as for 31? I have no idea.

Lane drop at 31...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 06, 2023, 08:39:24 PM

As expected, paving of the two small mainline sections near the SR 144 interchange got underway today.

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Early morning start prepping the equipment for the day ahead.

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An hour and a half later, progressing steadily.

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Dump trucks delivering the fresh concrete were unloading into a hopper, which, via a conveyor, spread the material just ahead of the slipform paver.

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A few hours later, they're still at it, having crossed the bridge over Bluff Creek to pave the small section to the south.

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With the slab curing, a team is at work cutting joints.

Here's a couple from the Banta Road work zone on the south side of Indianapolis:

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Getting ready to do a little digging.

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Later, with the excavation work completed, earthwork continues.

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Another view of the newly paved slab just after the joints have been cut.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on October 06, 2023, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 06, 2023, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 06, 2023, 07:57:30 AM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on October 05, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
We have all seen the new 465/69 interchange, but I can't find any details about 465. How are they going to handle the left hand on ramps at US 31? There doesn't seem to be enough room for an added travel lane. How is this going to connect to 465 on the west side that is already at 4 lanes? What about the train bridge?

train bridge will have substandard shoulders but will have full sized lanes, this was discussed above. as for 31? I have no idea.

Lane drop at 31...


no that's happening at 65
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: dvferyance on October 07, 2023, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 23, 2023, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:00:31 PM
Indiana does it better than Wisconsin with putting roundabouts by freeways.
Illinois is beginning to, also. I-57 & IL 149 at West Frankfurt will become a roundabout diamond instead of the traditional diamond it is now
The only interchange in Illinois I am aware of that has those is the one on I-90 at IL-23.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on October 09, 2023, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on October 07, 2023, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 23, 2023, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:00:31 PM
Indiana does it better than Wisconsin with putting roundabouts by freeways.
Illinois is beginning to, also. I-57 & IL 149 at West Frankfurt will become a roundabout diamond instead of the traditional diamond it is now
The only interchange in Illinois I am aware of that has those is the one on I-90 at IL-23.
Yup, ISTHA did that one a few years back

IDOT D9 is doing the 57/149 one in Southern IL
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 11, 2023, 09:24:54 AM

Couple of recent screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Yesterday on the westbound exit ramp to Harding Street, the rear of a dump truck caught fire, possibility due to the back brakes overheating.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Also yesterday, another strip of concrete was paved on the two small sections of the northbound roadway near the State Road 144 interchange. After these are paved up, which will likely happen this week or early next, the north and southbound roadways will be completely paved up to just south of the Southport Road interchange, though at the SR 144 work zone they still need to complete the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek as well as the approach slabs to that bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 13, 2023, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: FixThe74Sign on October 05, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
We have all seen the new 465/69 interchange, but I can't find any details about 465. How are they going to handle the left hand on ramps at US 31? There doesn't seem to be enough room for an added travel lane. How is this going to connect to 465 on the west side that is already at 4 lanes? What about the train bridge?

Taking a close look at the interchange, it appears the added fourth travel lane is going to squeezed in by significantly narrowing the shoulders, in particular the right shoulder. Here's a recent Google Streetview image of I-465 and the US 31/East Street overpass:

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Google Maps/Streetview
This is a west looking view. On the left, behind the recently constructed barrier wall, is the exit ramp from I-465E to US 31-East Street north. The new, extended barrier wall indicates — to me, at least — that they plan to use the right shoulder area in this vicinity as the fourth travel lane. It seems the only other option is to completely redo left entrance ramp (background) and create a new merge lane up against Lick Creek (right, out of view). But since nothing yet has been done there, it's increasingly unlikely they are moving in that direction. I guess they could also rebuild the US 31 bridge with a wider space between the piers, but that another $50-75 million, maybe more ... but that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 16, 2023, 03:06:52 AM

Few more screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
With the paving equipment in position, they will likely be paving the final strip of concrete pavement either today or tomorrow. And, Mr. Hornet, I'd be remiss in not saying hello. Nice of you to drop by.

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Last Wednesday, the beams were placed for the southbound mainline bridge over Banta Road. It seems they're wanting to complete this bridge before winter sets in.

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On I-465, the deck of the eastbound bridge over Harding Street was recently poured. Here's a pre-pour snap showing the bridge deck finisher in place ready to go.

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Four days later, with the pour having taken place, the concrete is now covered with plastic sheeting.

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Here's a perspective of Harding Street we haven't seen before. That approach slab looks ready for concrete.

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At the Haueisen Ditch work zone, where the eastbound bridge is under construction, two cranes were on site. They're pushing hard here.

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Closer look of the ramps and flyovers of the I-69 interchange, which is planned to complete late next year.

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Zoomed in view.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
East of the Kentucky Avenue/SR 67 interchange, construction of the fourth added travel lanes is coming along nicely.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In the vicinity of the LIRC bridge, although the shoulders will be narrow, there's ample room for the added travel lanes.

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As night approaches, the view looking west from near the Harding Street interchange.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2023, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 16, 2023, 03:06:52 AM

Few more screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera

Aaaggh!  Wasp!
:-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 17, 2023, 02:42:26 PM
As expected, on Monday the final strip of concrete pavement was paved to complete the two small sections at the State Road 144 interchange in Johnson County. With the completion of this paving project, the northbound lanes are now, by and large, essentially completed from Evansville to the I-465 system interchange in Marion County. If you noticed the qualification, there is one. At the Fairview Road/SR 37 intersection in Johnson County, which is currently controlled by traffic lights, some pavement work may have to be undertaken near the intersection when the signals are removed.

Here's some pictures of the paving. Photos were taken Monday, October 16, 2023.

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At work on a brisk early fall morning. In the background is the southbound exit ramp to State Road 144.

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Long range view looking north. Behind the paving machine is the texture/cure machine, which tines the fresh slab and applies a curing compound. In the background is the Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange, where only the southbound ramps are open.

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Short pause in the action to make an adjustment to the paver; looking north.

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Closer look at the paving machine, a Gomaco GHP-2800 Slipform Concrete Paver.

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As is usual for a paving project of this kind, the concrete is delivered by dump trucks. The speed and progress of the paver depends on the number of trucks used in the operation.

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Cleaning the hopper while waiting for the next truck to arrive.

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Staying in contact with the batch plant is important to ensure the concrete quality is what's it supposed to be.

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In total, the paving crew numbered 15, of which 12 are pictured.

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Although overcast, it was good weather for paving. The temperature was in the upper 40s, later rising to the mid-50s in the afternoon.

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Another view looking north.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 17, 2023, 04:59:29 PM
Few more pictures. Again, the photos were taken Monday, October 16, 2023.

For those who don't know, the contract to upgrade 17 miles of State Road 37 to I-69, from just north of Martinsville up to Fairview Road in Johnson County — also known as Contract #4 of Section 6 — was awarded to contractors Rieth-Riley and Crider & Crider, who together formed a joint venture. Rieth-Riley (https://www.rieth-riley.com/), which has been building roads and bridges in Indiana since 1916, is employee-owned and is headquartered in Goshen, Indiana. Crider & Crider (https://criderandcrider.com/), family-owned and operated, was founded in 1954. It has been doing highway work since 1979 and is located in Bloomington.

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Looking south from the State Road 144 overpass toward the northbound bridge over Bluff Creek. The small unpaved strip just past the bridge was paved as part of the same paving operation shown in the previous post.

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Installing drainage piping.

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Long range view, again looking south. With the mainline paving now complete in this area, the focus will turn to the approach slabs and the bridge sidewalls.

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Decorative elements at the State Road 144 overpass and interchange; looking west. In full, the lettering spells out Bargersville, which is a town about four miles east of the interchange. Bargersville is growing rapidly, increasing in population from 4,013 in 2010 to 9,560 in 2020.

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Another look at the work underway at the SR 144 interchange.

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Here again, north of the SR 144 overpass, is the paving operation steadily progressing southward. Pacing themselves, the crew was well aware they had a long day ahead.

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And one more, a closer look at the paving crew. Doing the work is sub-contractor E&B Paving, one of the larger and more important companies involved in road and bridge construction in Indiana.

Edit: Swapped out a couple of photos for others that were a bit sharper; minor wording additions/changes
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on October 17, 2023, 06:24:10 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2023, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 16, 2023, 03:06:52 AM

Few more screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera

Aaaggh!  Wasp!
:-D

"I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords!"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: royo6022 on October 18, 2023, 01:29:06 PM
How bad has the traffic situation been up near the construction? I am traveling from Evansville to Indy on the 30th and I'm excited to see the construction progress but if the traffic is going to be bad I may opt to take an alternative route for at least one of my trips going up or back down.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on October 18, 2023, 02:11:37 PM
Quote from: royo6022 on October 18, 2023, 01:29:06 PM
How bad has the traffic situation been up near the construction? I am traveling from Evansville to Indy on the 30th and I'm excited to see the construction progress but if the traffic is going to be bad I may opt to take an alternative route for at least one of my trips going up or back down.
Google Maps is your friend here.  Just put in your starting point and destination and select for the day of the week and either the time you want to leave or arrive.  It will then show you the best route for typical traffic conditions on that day of the week and time of day.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on October 18, 2023, 08:32:27 PM
I drove through it two weekends ago.  Yes, it was a little slow, but not anymore than any other major construction project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on October 18, 2023, 10:31:21 PM
I've been through on and off during the various phases of the project and traffic has been managed pretty well. Just be sure to put your destination in your GPS so that you can be rerouted if there's an accident.

Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 19, 2023, 11:41:10 PM

Some recent screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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In Johnson County, looking south toward the State Road 144 overpass and the mainline bridges over Bluff Creek. With rebar in place, the pours for the approach slabs are soon forthcoming. Also, forms are being put down for what appears to be another concrete pour as part of the left shoulder.

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Turning around, here's the view a day after the final strip of concrete was put down.

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And, earlier, from Monday, the paving crew at work moving southward.

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At the Smith Valley Road interchange, it looks like the northbound entrance ramp is now paved, at a minimum, partially. They might have another strip to do.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And from the night before, doing some late night work on the ramp, maybe cutting joints.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Further north, just north of Banta Road, a slipform paver is being used to construct the concrete median barrier wall.

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Here's the view a day later as evening approaches.

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On I-465, east of Harding Street interchange, it appears they're ready for a large-scale paving operation, maybe tomorrow.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on October 21, 2023, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 17, 2023, 06:24:10 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2023, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: ITB on October 16, 2023, 03:06:52 AM

Few more screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera

Aaaggh!  Wasp!
:-D

"I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords!"

I was thinking of that exact same "Kent Brockman" quote before I scrolled down and saw you had already posted it! LOL :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 27, 2023, 12:09:40 PM
Another batch of pictures. Photos were taken Thursday, October 26, 2023.

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On the far south side of Indianapolis, looking north from the Southport Road overpass. The bridge pictured will carry the southbound lanes over Little Buck Creek. Beyond that (where the crane is) is the bridge over Banta Road. The northbound lanes are complete is this area.

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Signage on the Southport Road overpass; looking west.

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Closer look. They'll probably try to finish the two bridges this year, and then next spring complete the remaining earthwork and do the paving. Aside from the bridges at the I-465 interchange, these are the last two mainline bridges to be completed between Evansville and Indy.

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Different perspective. It was nice and sunny when I left home. Just 40 miles to the north, however, it became dark and gloomy. Temperature wise, it was around 75, quite unusual for late October in central Indiana.

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The southbound bridge over Banta Road; looking east. Banta Road was lowered in this vicinity and given new pavement. The crossroad is S. Belmont Avenue.

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This is what the eye sees. In total, the construction zone is only about a mile in length. After the two bridges complete, they'll be able to knock out the remaining work in short order next spring.

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Another view looking north. An expansive concrete sidewalk runs along the north side of the Southport Road overpass, making it very safe to walk around and take pictures. There's nothing on the south side, so taking some snaps looking south was no-can-do because of bridge traffic.

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On S. Belmont Avenue about a quarter mile south of the Epler Avenue overpass. At this time, the new northern section of S. Belmont does not connect to the section further south, but will in the future.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 27, 2023, 01:18:13 PM
Some more. Again, photos were taken Thursday, October 26, 2023.

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On the south side of Indianapolis, looking north from the Epler Avenue overpass toward to the future I-69/I-465 interchange.

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Turning around and crossing Epler, the view looking southeast.

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Zoomed in perspective; looking north. Eastbound traffic exiting to Harding Street/SR 37 is now using the new pavement of the eastbound lanes and the new ramp.

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Another angle looking north.

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And another. The ramp from I-465W to I-69S will run underneath the bridge. Yeah, I know, it doesn't quite look right. That would be one sharp turn to head south. In actuality, the area is quite expansive and the camera tends to compress things, bringing aspects together.

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Different view looking southeast from Epler.

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What the eye sees; looking north from Epler.

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S. Belmont Avenue, realigned to intersect with Epler Avenue just west of the overpass.

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Another zoomed in view. In the background are stacks of MSE panels, which will be used to construct the western abutment of the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

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The southbound entrance ramp from Epler Avenue.

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One more looking southeast from Epler.

That's all for now. I was expecting the sun to be shining on this excursion, but it was not to be. Looking again at the photos, some are little dark. Well, it was pretty gloomy out there. Just one of those days.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 27, 2023, 07:17:16 PM

Here's a batch of recent screenshots grabbed from INDOT traffic cameras:

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In this area, the added fourth lane of the westbound roadway will be constructed using the former median. Around the bend is the construction zone for the new bridges over S. Meridian Street.

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Signage near the mainline bridges over Wicker Road about four miles south of I-465; looking northwest.

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They're getting close to finishing up at the SR 144 interchange. Hard to say how much work remains. Yesterday I noticed a nearby sign announcing a soon-to-be new traffic pattern. There was a date mentioned, but zipping by quickly, I was unable to catch what it was.

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Another familiar view, looking southeast toward the Southport Road overpass (background) and the work zones at Banta Road and Little Buck Creek.

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Morning view of the new eastbound I-465 bridge over Harding Street/SR 37. To extend the life of the bridge, a polymeric overlay has been applied to the deck, which was then covered with plastic sheeting.

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Morning start for a paving team, moving west toward the eastbound mainline bridge over Bluff Road.

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And here they are in the afternoon, still another hour or two to go.

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From earlier this week, more paving was indeed on the schedule for the northbound entrance ramp at the Smith Valley Road interchange.

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Paving activity for the new, realigned eastbound lanes has been moving west toward the mainline bridge over Harding Street. At the same time, crews are prepping the roadway in the west to begin paving further east from near the future I-69 interchange, heading toward the bridge over Haueisen Ditch.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on October 27, 2023, 07:19:08 PM
Any word when they will shut off that last damn stoplight at Fairview?

It should have been shut off weeks ago.. being it's the last light in the middle of what's essentially interstate, it's been butt banger (rear ender) wreck city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 27, 2023, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: Moose on October 27, 2023, 07:19:08 PM
Any word when they will shut off that last damn stoplight at Fairview?

It should have been shut off weeks ago.. being it's the last light in the middle of what's essentially interstate, it's been butt banger (rear ender) wreck city.

Should be gone by the end of November at the latest. The light is needed to safely allow traffic from Fairview to access the lanes of SR 37, particularly northbound. For a lot of people in the area, it's the main access point to northbound 37. It's not an ideal situation, however, as you point out.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Revive 755 on October 27, 2023, 09:26:42 PM
What's with the buffered lane on EB I-465 near Harding Street?  It can make at least one driver who doesn't go through Indianapolis that often wonder if there are a bunch of HOV lane signs and markings missing.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on October 28, 2023, 01:21:38 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 27, 2023, 09:26:42 PM
What's with the buffered lane on EB I-465 near Harding Street?  It can make at least one driver who doesn't go through Indianapolis that often wonder if there are a bunch of HOV lane signs and markings missing.

That's where the old jersey barrier was (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6960708,-86.1862086,3a,20.4y,240.02h,78.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFVRzAo_L3d7xuZFhcAdvOw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu), they don't want people driving on the longitudinal seam which is rather large in spots.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on October 29, 2023, 12:24:51 PM

Another screen grab from an INDOT traffic camera:

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Working on Sunday on the eastbound bridge over Haueisen Ditch. With time of the essence, they're pushing hard. In the background, exiting traffic to Harding Street/SR 37 runs on the new, recently completed ramp.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 03, 2023, 02:49:10 PM

Here's another batch of pictures. Photos were taken Thursday, November 2, 2023.

But first, for perspective, here's a screenshot grabbed from the I-69 Finish Line newsletter (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-october-30-2023/) of October 30th. This aerial, which is facing east, shows all the elements of the future I-69/I-465 interchange, plus the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street/SR 37. Because the trees are showing just a little color, the picture was likely taken in early October.

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I-69 Finish Line
It is apparent, at least to me, that traffic must first be shifted onto the new eastbound roadway before full blown construction can commence on the northbound abutments for the flyovers. Those abutments, it appears, will be positioned right smack dab in the middle of the current westbound lanes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm unable to see how they might do it otherwise.

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On the southwest side of Indianapolis, looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass and partial interchange.

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Zoomed in shot. In the background are the girders for the future ramp that will carry I-69N to I-465W. Beyond that is the partial constructed flyover that will carry the ramp from I-465W to I-69S.

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Again, looking east from Mann. With overnight temperatures now occasionally dropping into the 20s and 30s, concrete pours and paves must be protected, thus the plastic sheeting.

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The eastbound exit ramp from I-465 to Harding Street/SR 37; looking east. On the right, where the lights are, is where it intersects with Harding Street.

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Another shot looking east from the Mann Road overpass. After being closed for about a month, the eastbound entrance ramp from Mann has been reopened.

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Looking east toward Thompson Road from near the Mann Road overpass.

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Closer look.

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Traffic barrelling down the new eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street/SR 37; looking west. The Flying J truck stop is on the left.

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Another look east from Mann using the long range lens. That strip of rebar in front of the new bridge over the White River looks ready to receive its concrete. Almost every day now, paving to one extent or another will be taking place for the new eastbound lanes of I-465.

On another note, about 10 miles to the south near the SR 144 interchange, northbound traffic has now been shifted onto the new, recently completed northbound roadway. The northbound ramps at the Smith Valley Road interchange, however, are still closed. They are likely to be opened soon, maybe next week. After that happens, the lights at Fairview Road will be removed.

Interestingly, as I was driving up, northbound traffic, as usual, was running on the southbound lanes in the vicinity of the Smith Valley Road interchange. At the Fairview Road intersection, traffic was funneled down to one lane and a machine was being used to brush away lane markings. Just an hour later, coming back, it was a pleasant surprise to see that northbound traffic had been shifted to the new northbound lanes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 06, 2023, 04:31:15 PM

Here's another handful of screenshots grabbed from INDOT traffic cameras. Best to get them posted before they get stale.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
This was mentioned in a previous post, but here's the picture. From just north of the SR 144 interchange, northbound traffic is now running on the new northbound lanes. At the Smith Valley Road interchange, the northbound ramps are still closed. They should open soon, perhaps this week or next.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking south of the SR 144 interchange. This is the point where the northbound lanes have been funneled down to down to one and routed over the southbound bridge over Bluff Creek. It's worked out very well, and traffic delays have been minimal. On the other end, where traffic is redirected back to the northbound roadway, it's been more problematic and there have incidents, including, in early October, an overturned semi carrying a million pickle jar lids (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-october-9-2023/).

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INDOT Traffic Camera
State Road 37 about a half mile south of the Southport Road interchange. In this vicinity, the northbound roadway is all but complete. Currently, a former section of southbound SR 37 is being utilized as the southbound entrance ramp from Southport Road.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another perspective; looking north. The Southport Road interchange is just around the bend.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's the view in the other direction, showing where southbound traffic is redirected back to the southbound lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Near the Smith Valley Road interchange, the temporary barrier wall that separated traffic on the southbound lanes is being removed.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
North of the Southport Road interchange (background) an overhead sign is being assembled.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On I-465, the view looking west from near the Harding Street/SR 37 interchange. Lots of traffic on the new eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street/SR 37.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on November 08, 2023, 10:24:09 PM
Don't you just love when DOTs are in "hurry-up" mode? Apparently when it comes to I-69, INDOT is, and I hope I can get to drive it next year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 09, 2023, 11:05:58 AM

In early October, Mileage Mike Travels drove I-69 northbound from Bloomington to just south of Martinsville. That was Section 5 of the extension project.

More specifically, the video begins near the Fullerton Pike interchange on the south side of Bloomington and ends just north of Liberty Road interchange in Morgan County.

The drive, shot in high definition 4K, might be the best available of this stretch of I-69. Make sure to bump up the quality when viewing.

 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 09, 2023, 07:03:17 PM
Google Maps Satellite View has a perfect view of construction of Interstate 69's final approach to Interstate 465: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6877268,-86.1991359,1759m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 10, 2023, 01:11:05 AM

Today, a traffic shift is scheduled to happen near the State Road 144 interchange. Northbound traffic, which has been funneled down to one lane and redirected across the southbound bridge over Bluff Creek, will be switched to the new, recently completed northbound pavement, its permanent alignment. The traffic change was announced yesterday (https://i69finishline.com/traffic-changes-on-s-r-37-at-s-r-144-tomorrow/).

To allow crews to work on the median, northbound traffic will remain in a one-lane configuration from Banta Road in Johnson County through Olive Branch Road.

Here's a couple of before pictures, grabbed from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view looking south, with the twin bridges over Bluff Creek in the foreground. The former SR 37/Banta Road intersection, now sealed off, is just around the bend in the background.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And the view in the other direction. Guardrail installation along the right shoulder appears to be nearing completion. That's a safety measure; it's unlikely the roadway would be opened without it.



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 11, 2023, 12:07:58 PM

Yesterday, I went up for another look-see. As expected, northbound traffic near the SR 144 interchange had been shifted to its permanent alignment on the new pavement of the northbound lanes. They were still working to complete the striping as I passed through. The backup was considerable, beginning prior to the Waverly Road overpass. It took 22 minutes to go about two miles.

My intention was to revisit the Mann Road work zone, then stop by the Southport Road interchange, followed by a quick stop at the SR 144 interchange. That all went out the window because of the lost time due to the congestion at the SR 144 work zone and additional time chewed up at the Southport Road interchange. There the traffic lights were poorly timed. Very.

With the sun dropping like a rock in the sky, I was hustling. Let's go to the pictures. Photos were taken Friday, November 10, 2023.

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Overhead sign construction about a half mile north of the Southport Road overpass. This will be placed over the northbound lanes.

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Looking slightly northwest from the Epler Avenue overpass.

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And the view in the other direction from Epler; looking southeast.

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Epler Avenue overpass; looking northeast.

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Here's the sign in the front of the Epler Avenue overpass; looking northwest. Peoria, huh? It is what it is. Besides we knew about it beforehand. But how about putting underneath an I-65 shield and adding Chicago.

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More signage near the Epler Avenue overpass; looking east. INDOT, it seems, has a pile of "Future" signs tucked away.

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Another perspective looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2023, 12:07:58 PM

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Here's the sign in the front of the Epler Avenue overpass; looking northwest. Peoria, huh? It is what it is. Besides we knew about it beforehand. But how about putting underneath an I-65 shield and adding Chicago.
This is a spot where state-based controls would work fine. 465 WB: Illinois. 465 EB: Ohio

IF a 65 shield is added to WB with Chicago, would have to add one EB with Louisville, also
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 11, 2023, 01:34:13 PM
Another set. Again, photos were taken Friday, November 10, 2023.

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Looking north from the State Road 144 overpass in Johnson County. Traffic was backed up because work was still continuing on the lane re-striping after the traffic shift.

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North of the SR 144 overpass, traffic was redirected onto the right shoulder to allow for the removal of old lane markings. There was a team of four at work, on their hands and knees, working to scrap and pull up the old stripes. These workers were awfully close to the vehicular traffic, only three or four feet away. That's no exaggeration. To say the least, it was a less than ideal situation.

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It was getting dark quickly.

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Another perspective looking north.

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Turning around, here's the view looking south. There was a significant traffic backup on the northbound exit ramp. Not a good situation at all.

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Another view of the ramp backup; looking southeast. This is what happens when drivers have difficultly entering a traffic circle. Yes, roundabouts do have limitations. They're great for lightly traveled rural interchanges, but, otherwise, can be problematic when there is moderate and heavy traffic present.

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Here's a southeast perspective with the twin mainline bridges over Bluff Creek in the foreground. The heavy ramp traffic is due in part to the current closure of the northbound exit ramp at the Smith Valley Road interchange. Also, there might have been a football game at Center Grove High School, where games tend to draw a pretty big crowd. At any rate, this is an untenable situation if it persists long term.

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Looking south across the SR 144 roadway.

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And another, showing the decorative element at the interchange.

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Here's another view looking north from the overpass.

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One more looking south from the SR 144 overpass.

To wrap up, there was a sign near the Smith Valley Road interchange informing that access to Fairview Road would be closed on or after November 16.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
This is a spot where state-based controls would work fine. 465 WB: Illinois. 465 EB: Ohio

IF a 65 shield is added to WB with Chicago, would have to add one EB with Louisville, also

But 465 doesn't go anywhere near Illinois or Ohio. As much as I don't mind control cities on 3dis, I don't think they would work too well on I-465 without overcrowding the sign. You could sign Chicago, but the airport would be just as useful of a control city (an airport logo would be very useful here,) how about St. Louis then while we're at it, or even Kokomo for those wanting to head up to the north end of the city and take US 31 north. In that case, why JUST Chicago? This is why we don't do control cities on I-465, being the Crossroads of America means you just have so many potential destinations out of the city.

This sign is just a result of I-74 being multiplexed on I-465. You remove the 465 shield and suddenly the sign would work at any standard interstate-to-interstate junction. It's weird but I understand putting up I-74's control cities and actually acknowledging that I-74 is on the route. I'm very curious to see what they plan for the I-65 junction with 465/69/74. Will we get both 69 and 74's control cites listed there?

While I do think it's neat seeing Fort Wayne signed from here, I do have to wonder, what about Indianapolis? It's signed as the control city from Evansville (soon) up all the way to past Southport Road and then it just disappears. There's nothing signed to specifically direct you toward Downtown Indianapolis. I wish INDOT would just put signs up at the county line letting you know that you are now entering Indianapolis instead of just assuming you can figure it out from here.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
This is a spot where state-based controls would work fine. 465 WB: Illinois. 465 EB: Ohio

IF a 65 shield is added to WB with Chicago, would have to add one EB with Louisville, also

But 465 doesn't go anywhere near Illinois or Ohio. As much as I don't mind control cities on 3dis, I don't think they would work too well on I-465 without overcrowding the sign. You could sign Chicago, but the airport would be just as useful of a control city (an airport logo would be very useful here,) how about St. Louis then while we're at it, or even Kokomo for those wanting to head up to the north end of the city and take US 31 north. In that case, why JUST Chicago? This is why we don't do control cities on I-465, being the Crossroads of America means you just have so many potential destinations out of the city.

This sign is just a result of I-74 being multiplexed on I-465. You remove the 465 shield and suddenly the sign would work at any standard interstate-to-interstate junction. It's weird but I understand putting up I-74's control cities and actually acknowledging that I-74 is on the route. I'm very curious to see what they plan for the I-65 junction with 465/69/74. Will we get both 69 and 74's control cites listed there?

While I do think it's neat seeing Fort Wayne signed from here, I do have to wonder, what about Indianapolis? It's signed as the control city from Evansville (soon) up all the way to past Southport Road and then it just disappears. There's nothing signed to specifically direct you toward Downtown Indianapolis. I wish INDOT would just put signs up at the county line letting you know that you are now entering Indianapolis instead of just assuming you can figure it out from here.
All fair and legitimate points

Indy Airport certainly should be signed, especially due to traffic returning from IU-Bloomington.

I believe the only time the Airport is signed as a Control for 465 is 65 SB approaching 465 SB, which has a similar college traffic pattern coming from PU-West Lafayette

Regarding Indy, I wonder if the signage at the NB Harding St/I-69 split will direct Indy traffic to follow Harding St/Old 37 to downtown?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 02:37:25 PM
Regarding Indy, I wonder if the signage at the NB Harding St/I-69 split will direct Indy traffic to follow Harding St/Old 37 to downtown?

The signage plans for that interchange just mention Epler Ave and Harding St at the exit, there's no mention of downtown at all. Technically there will be another Indianapolis sign, at the I-65 interchange, since I-69 follows the I-465 loop. Same thing at the I-70 interchange on the east side.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on November 11, 2023, 02:56:03 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 02:37:25 PM
Regarding Indy, I wonder if the signage at the NB Harding St/I-69 split will direct Indy traffic to follow Harding St/Old 37 to downtown?

The signage plans for that interchange just mention Epler Ave and Harding St at the exit, there's no mention of downtown at all. Technically there will be another Indianapolis sign, at the I-65 interchange, since I-69 follows the I-465 loop. Same thing at the I-70 interchange on the east side.

Does I-74 EB or WB into I-435 sign Downtown as well?  I think not. So this will not be an oddity. It's basically not controlling you only to Downtown, but all parts of the city via the I-465 loop.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 04:24:30 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 11, 2023, 02:56:03 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 02:37:25 PM
Regarding Indy, I wonder if the signage at the NB Harding St/I-69 split will direct Indy traffic to follow Harding St/Old 37 to downtown?

The signage plans for that interchange just mention Epler Ave and Harding St at the exit, there's no mention of downtown at all. Technically there will be another Indianapolis sign, at the I-65 interchange, since I-69 follows the I-465 loop. Same thing at the I-70 interchange on the east side.

Does I-74 EB or WB into I-435 sign Downtown as well?  I think not. So this will not be an oddity. It's basically not controlling you only to Downtown, but all parts of the city via the I-465 loop.

No it does not. Good point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on November 11, 2023, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
This is a spot where state-based controls would work fine. 465 WB: Illinois. 465 EB: Ohio

IF a 65 shield is added to WB with Chicago, would have to add one EB with Louisville, also

But 465 doesn't go anywhere near Illinois or Ohio. As much as I don't mind control cities on 3dis, I don't think they would work too well on I-465 without overcrowding the sign. You could sign Chicago, but the airport would be just as useful of a control city (an airport logo would be very useful here,) how about St. Louis then while we're at it, or even Kokomo for those wanting to head up to the north end of the city and take US 31 north. In that case, why JUST Chicago? This is why we don't do control cities on I-465, being the Crossroads of America means you just have so many potential destinations out of the city.

This sign is just a result of I-74 being multiplexed on I-465. You remove the 465 shield and suddenly the sign would work at any standard interstate-to-interstate junction. It's weird but I understand putting up I-74's control cities and actually acknowledging that I-74 is on the route. I'm very curious to see what they plan for the I-65 junction with 465/69/74. Will we get both 69 and 74's control cites listed there?

While I do think it's neat seeing Fort Wayne signed from here, I do have to wonder, what about Indianapolis? It's signed as the control city from Evansville (soon) up all the way to past Southport Road and then it just disappears. There's nothing signed to specifically direct you toward Downtown Indianapolis. I wish INDOT would just put signs up at the county line letting you know that you are now entering Indianapolis instead of just assuming you can figure it out from here.

Placing control cities outside of the ones tied to I-74 would be a mess, considering there's a mishmash of controls that would be assigned for I-465 westbound (St. Louis, Chicago) and eastbound (Louisville, Dayton, Fort Wayne - though Fort Wayne could be viable because of I-69s concurrency).

Just to keep it simple, use the airport symbol and "TO I-70" for westbound, and "TO I-65" for eastbound. That should be a serviceable frame of reference for drivers until they reach the respective junctions proper.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 11, 2023, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2023, 12:07:58 PM

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Here's the sign in the front of the Epler Avenue overpass; looking northwest. Peoria, huh? It is what it is. Besides we knew about it beforehand. But how about putting underneath an I-65 shield and adding Chicago.
This, to me, screams that we'll be getting some sort of ramp opening by mid-Summer. My best bet is probably 465EB to 69SB, or maybe even 69NB to 465EB.
Wonder when signs for 69 on 465 will start going up, they should start showing up sometime soon, considering the interchange is expected to open in 2024.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on November 12, 2023, 01:01:00 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2023, 12:07:58 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53322812562_b33cffeb60_k.jpg)
Here's the sign in the front of the Epler Avenue overpass; looking northwest. Peoria, huh? It is what it is. Besides we knew about it beforehand. But how about putting underneath an I-65 shield and adding Chicago.

Would've helped myself if I saw this before I made the post I made earlier. My bad.

I figured the mainline interstates would be given their respective control cities; even though the trajectory from that point would favor I-65 and Chicago, I-70 and St. Louis is right at the doorstep, and that would likely get the nod first.

I'm pretty sure the space is simply a result of circumstance, seeing it's a whole APL sign with a lot of information on that right side.

With all that being said, it would be helpful to provide supplemental signage before the split. Maybe something like,
"TO I-65, USE I-465/74 EAST
TO I-70/Airport, USE I-465/74 WEST" (As i said previously, an airport symbol could easily suffice.)

Or, a la Illinois, use another overhead gantry with BGS supplemental signage,

"St. Louis-Chicago, use I-465/74 WEST
Louisville-Dayton, use I-465/74 EAST"

In either scenario, long range drivers have some frame of reference of where to go. Those going for Downtown Indianapolis will have references in extreme close proximity with I-65 and I-70 very close by.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 12, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
I got a chance to see this corridor yesterday evening and loved what I was seeing with the construction. One further note about the mentions of I-65 and I-70 at the upcoming I-69/I-465 interchange:  I saw there is a dynamic message sign several miles back with the travel times to I-465, I-65 via I-465 east (signed as 465E/65,) and I-70 via I-465 west (signed as 465W/70.) So, I guess 65 and 70 are sort of being mentioned for those traveling north on I-69. Similarly, on I-69 southbound on approaching I-465 on the north side they do the same thing except with I-465 west to US 31 and I-465 south to I-70. I suppose that's one way of doing this.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mrsman on November 12, 2023, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 11, 2023, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 11, 2023, 01:04:59 PM
This is a spot where state-based controls would work fine. 465 WB: Illinois. 465 EB: Ohio

IF a 65 shield is added to WB with Chicago, would have to add one EB with Louisville, also

But 465 doesn't go anywhere near Illinois or Ohio. As much as I don't mind control cities on 3dis, I don't think they would work too well on I-465 without overcrowding the sign. You could sign Chicago, but the airport would be just as useful of a control city (an airport logo would be very useful here,) how about St. Louis then while we're at it, or even Kokomo for those wanting to head up to the north end of the city and take US 31 north. In that case, why JUST Chicago? This is why we don't do control cities on I-465, being the Crossroads of America means you just have so many potential destinations out of the city.

This sign is just a result of I-74 being multiplexed on I-465. You remove the 465 shield and suddenly the sign would work at any standard interstate-to-interstate junction. It's weird but I understand putting up I-74's control cities and actually acknowledging that I-74 is on the route. I'm very curious to see what they plan for the I-65 junction with 465/69/74. Will we get both 69 and 74's control cites listed there?

While I do think it's neat seeing Fort Wayne signed from here, I do have to wonder, what about Indianapolis? It's signed as the control city from Evansville (soon) up all the way to past Southport Road and then it just disappears. There's nothing signed to specifically direct you toward Downtown Indianapolis. I wish INDOT would just put signs up at the county line letting you know that you are now entering Indianapolis instead of just assuming you can figure it out from here.
All fair and legitimate points

Indy Airport certainly should be signed, especially due to traffic returning from IU-Bloomington.

I believe the only time the Airport is signed as a Control for 465 is 65 SB approaching 465 SB, which has a similar college traffic pattern coming from PU-West Lafayette

Regarding Indy, I wonder if the signage at the NB Harding St/I-69 split will direct Indy traffic to follow Harding St/Old 37 to downtown?


Control cities for the I-465 Beltway.

As noted it is INDOT practice to only sign the control cities for 74 (and now 69) over the portions that are overlapped with those routes and ignoring the other controls that exist around town.

Essentially, in their view, 465 has no control cities, but 74 and 69 do.

Should this be the case? IMO, No.  Control cities for a beltway are an extremely valid way to route long distance traffic around a city center.  There is a place for them, independent of the coexistance of other routes.  Of course, the fact that 1 interstate (soon to be 2 interstates) and several state and US highways are also quietly multiplexed along this route allows for an even greater need to at least guide people where they need to go.  And IMO, since there are sign limitations, the bigger cities should take precedence within reason.  So of course, we cannot sign the seven other controls of the 2 dis that emanate from Indianapolis, but there is definitely room for 2 controls in each direction, for the ENTIRE BELTWAY.

So what would I do at this location?

465 WEST 74 WEST                    465 EAST 74 EAST 69 NORTH
Peoria                                         Cincinnati
Chicago                                       Fort Wayne

A supplemental sign will indicate taking 465 east to 65 north for Downtown Indianapolis.


From the other highways, I'd use the following controls if the signs are up to being updated:

65 from Louisville:  Peoria/Chicago and Cincinnati/Fort Wayne
74 from Cincinnati: St Louis/Peoria and Fort Wayne/Chicago
70 from Dayton:  St Louis/Peoria and Fort Wayne/Chicago
69 from Fort Wayne:  Louisville/Evansville and Chicago/Peoria
865: FOrt Wayne/Cincinnati   65 from Chicago to 465: Evansville/Louisville
74 from Peoria: Chicago/Fort Wayne  and  Louisville/Cincinnatti
70 from St Louis:  Chicago/Fort Wayne  and  Louisville/Cincinnatti

Again, each routing would get the control cities that long distance travel is likely going to that are on the opposite side of town.  Dayton is not used on 465 as Cincinnatti does denote the general area until reaching the eastern 465/70 interchange.  Supplemental signage for other control cities can be used if there is demand for such.  I would also support supplemental signage to guide travel to Downtown Indy onto 65 or 70 or a really good arterial and signage to guide travel for the several US and state highways that are also quietly routed along the beltway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on November 12, 2023, 07:54:00 PM
Control cities for other interstates could be placed on supplementary signage if need be for I-70 West to St. Louis, etc.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: paulthemapguy on November 12, 2023, 09:48:42 PM
In that case, the only valid control city for I-465, a beltway completely within one municipality, is "Indianapolis." Or "In Circles".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on November 13, 2023, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 12, 2023, 09:48:42 PM
In that case, the only valid control city for I-465, a beltway completely within one municipality, is "Indianapolis." Or "In Circles".
I465 also passes through Carmel, Beech Grove, and Lawrence in addition to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 13, 2023, 04:28:23 PM
So the control city obsession has spread to this topic as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 13, 2023, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on November 13, 2023, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on November 12, 2023, 09:48:42 PM
In that case, the only valid control city for I-465, a beltway completely within one municipality, is "Indianapolis." Or "In Circles".
I465 also passes through Carmel, Beech Grove, and Lawrence in addition to Indianapolis.

Also Speedway and unincorporated Boone County
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on November 13, 2023, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 13, 2023, 04:28:23 PM
So the control city obsession has spread to this topic as well.
Spreading like a plague of useless subjectivity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on November 13, 2023, 08:01:35 PM
Hey at least INDOT is finally adding control destinations to the overlaps on I-465 with I-74. In the past it never had.

Now I-69 is finally getting them. Hopefully in Evansville we'll see NB ramps to I-69 finally signed for Indy when this project terminates.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 14, 2023, 12:38:25 AM
Indianapolis
next 14 exits
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on November 14, 2023, 02:13:30 AM
Quote from: vtk on November 14, 2023, 12:38:25 AM
Indianapolis
next 14 exits

California has Long Beach Next 10 Exits on I-405 I remember back in 1988. Don't know if that sign still exists today.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 14, 2023, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: vtk on November 14, 2023, 12:38:25 AM
Indianapolis
next 14 exits

I have never seen them do this for a major city, in this case i am referring to the largest city.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 14, 2023, 02:22:31 PM
Around here if we call it anything else but 465. I have heard it called the 465 Loop
Never once heard it called a Beltway...
So as a control. use Indianapolis Loop.

465 does technically leave Marion County/Indianapolis. It ventures into Hamilton County/Carmel for a short bit.. it's an epic speed trap. (Also a bit into Boone)

In other news, the last stop light will be GONE.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/KAS81mpeo9kkw/giphy.gif)

"Motorists should expect the traffic signal at S.R. 37 and Fairview Road to be removed on or after Thursday, November 16."

https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-november-13-2023/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 14, 2023, 03:05:03 PM
A little new courtesy of the I-69 Finish Line newsletter (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-november-13-2023/). The northbound exit ramp to Smith Valley Road opened yesterday. This will be followed by the opening of the northbound entrance ramp on Friday, November 17. And as mentioned in the reply above, the traffic signal at the SR 37/Fairview Road intersection is scheduled to be removed on or after November 16.

Here's a series of recent screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
From last week, a team unloads rebar on the future eastbound lanes of I-465 in preparation for placement. This point is about midway between the new eastbound bridge over the White River and the future I-69 interchange. And for those interested, the sign reads Mann Road, 1 mile.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's the view a couple of days later. The towers of downtown Indianapolis are in the background left.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
One day later, the rebar is now in place. This rebar arrangement is typical for Continuously Reinforced Concrete Pavement.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And the very next day, the paving crew at work.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, the view an hour later.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
With evening rapidly approaching, they call it a day.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Early next morning work resumed. In the background construction of the north abutment of the I-69N to I-465W flyover is underway. The pilings are clearly evident where the crane is located. Whether they will need to build another pier southeast of the abutment, I don't know. That's a pretty long stretch for girders. By the time the girders are placed, traffic most likely will have been shifted to the new eastbound pavement. But if, for whatever reason, some lanes remain open, they most certainly will have to be temporarily closed during the girder placement process.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Again, placing rebar in preparation for another paving pass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking south from near the SR 144 interchange at the new traffic pattern where northbound traffic is now running on the new northbound pavement.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On I-465, east of the SR 37/Harding Street interchange, preparations are underway to begin paving a new section of westbound pavement.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 14, 2023, 05:45:39 PM

One more screen grab:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Nice later afternoon view showing the completed paving work depicted above. Note in the mid-background the entrance and path of the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street/Sr 37.

It is apparent, to me at least, Walsh and Milestone are pressing hard to make the new eastbound lanes ready for a traffic shift before winter sets in. If they can accomplish that — and they probably will — the demolition of the westbound bridges (White River, Harmon Ditch, Harding Street, etc.) can then take place in January and February. That might be the plan. Let's see what happens.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 14, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 14, 2023, 05:45:39 PM


It is apparent, to me at least, Walsh and Milestone are pressing hard to make the new eastbound lanes ready for a traffic shift before winter sets in. If they can accomplish that — and they probably will — the demolition of the westbound bridges (White River, Harmon Ditch, Harding Street, etc.) can then take place in January and February. That might be the plan. Let's see what happens.

"By Thanksgiving much of the planned I-69 Finish Line construction for the year will be complete. Crews will continue to work during the winter months as weather permits, but overall construction and traffic should decrease noticeably.  "

Its clear they have a date goal in mind, and likely an amount of work they want done.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 15, 2023, 12:20:43 AM
Quote from: Moose on November 14, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 14, 2023, 05:45:39 PM


It is apparent, to me at least, Walsh and Milestone are pressing hard to make the new eastbound lanes ready for a traffic shift before winter sets in. If they can accomplish that — and they probably will — the demolition of the westbound bridges (White River, Harmon Ditch, Harding Street, etc.) can then take place in January and February. That might be the plan. Let's see what happens.

"By Thanksgiving much of the planned I-69 Finish Line construction for the year will be complete. Crews will continue to work during the winter months as weather permits, but overall construction and traffic should decrease noticeably.  "

Its clear they have a date goal in mind, and likely an amount of work they want done.

Yeah, I took note of that statement, which appeared in the On Track Project Update of November 13 (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-november-13-2023/). In a generic sense, it's accurate — highway construction in the northern states does taper during the winter months. And, yes, by Thanksgiving construction from the SR 144 interchange to Fairview Road will be wrapping up because, basically, work along that stretch will be all but complete. Done. Finished. As usual, some minor tasks will remain, and those will be taken care of next spring.

However, up north in the I-465 realm of the project, I tend to believe contractors Walsh and Milestone and their subs will be pushing hard through the rest of November and well into December. The goal, as I see it, is to substantially complete the new, realigned eastbound lanes of I-465 before hard winter sets in. That will allow traffic to be shifted to the new lanes, and for demolition of the westbound bridge structures on I-465 to proceed in January and February.

Let's take a minute to think about this. This project is scheduled to be substantially complete by the end of 2024. That's only 13 and 1/2 months away, or exactly 413 days. That's not much time at all for a project of this scope. They still have a lot of work to do. Not only do several westbound bridge structures need to demolished and completely rebuilt, but the westbound lanes must be completely reconstructed as well. And let's not forget about the I-69 system interchange and those long flyover ramps.

But before the westbound bridge structures can be taken down traffic, of course, has to be shifted off them. Would a construction manager want to wait until next spring to do that traffic shift? No way. That would leave only 9–10 months to complete the project. Not much time at all. So, because of this, they are working hard now to pave up the new eastbound lanes and get them ready for the traffic shift. Will they be working after Thanksgiving and into December doing this work? Almost certainly. At the same time, they'll also be doing, whenever possible, earthwork and abutment work, as well as other tasks. They can pave with concrete during the colder months, but it's not typical. Will any paving work be undertaken this winter? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. Last year, the contractor of Indy's North-Split project worked all through winter, undertaking deck pours and paving.

Please bear in mind, I am not associated with the project in any way. I am merely a construction watcher. Keep that in mind in regard to the above; my assumptions could be more wrong than right. At any rate, it will be interesting to see how the construction proceeds in the months ahead.

Edit: Minor changes for readability.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on November 15, 2023, 06:52:39 AM
Bridge demolition and rebuild in one construction season...I suppose it could technically happen if resources are brought to bear, but I'll believe that 2024 completion date when I see it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:03 AM
based on what we saw with north split, bridge work will be the only thing they will do over the winter. concrete paving on the rare warm days. that's just a guess though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 15, 2023, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:03 AM
based on what we saw with north split, bridge work will be the only thing they will do over the winter. concrete paving on the rare warm days. that's just a guess though.
As long as the temperature stays above 40 degrees, you can pour concrete.  That might be a tall order during the typical Indiana winter where you can go weeks without the temperature getting above freezing, let alone 40 degrees.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on November 15, 2023, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 15, 2023, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:03 AM
based on what we saw with north split, bridge work will be the only thing they will do over the winter. concrete paving on the rare warm days. that's just a guess though.
As long as the temperature stays above 40 degrees, you can pour concrete.  That might be a tall order during the typical Indiana winter where you can go weeks without the temperature getting above freezing, let alone 40 degrees.

If you REALLY want to pour concrete in siub-40 degree weather, there are ways to do it, at greater expense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 16, 2023, 12:33:40 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=839836684809022&set=a.516173620508665

Confirmed that the last stoplight on future I-69 dies today.

Leaves those businesses high and dry, but some of them built there well into planning for I-69
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on November 16, 2023, 07:25:26 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 15, 2023, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 15, 2023, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:03 AM
based on what we saw with north split, bridge work will be the only thing they will do over the winter. concrete paving on the rare warm days. that's just a guess though.
As long as the temperature stays above 40 degrees, you can pour concrete.  That might be a tall order during the typical Indiana winter where you can go weeks without the temperature getting above freezing, let alone 40 degrees.

If you REALLY want to pour concrete in siub-40 degree weather, there are ways to do it, at greater expense.

And when you don't do it right, you get to redo it at even greater expense. Plus the significant cost to motorists of having the freeway under construction yet another time.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/newly-built-portion-of-i-75-to-be-removed-and-replaced-after-wrong-pavement-used
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 16, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 16, 2023, 07:25:26 AM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 15, 2023, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 15, 2023, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:03 AM
based on what we saw with north split, bridge work will be the only thing they will do over the winter. concrete paving on the rare warm days. that's just a guess though.
As long as the temperature stays above 40 degrees, you can pour concrete.  That might be a tall order during the typical Indiana winter where you can go weeks without the temperature getting above freezing, let alone 40 degrees.

If you REALLY want to pour concrete in siub-40 degree weather, there are ways to do it, at greater expense.

And when you don't do it right, you get to redo it at even greater expense. Plus the significant cost to motorists of having the freeway under construction yet another time.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/newly-built-portion-of-i-75-to-be-removed-and-replaced-after-wrong-pavement-used

Yeah they are on schedule (if not ahead) and there isn't any reason to incur risk like that, I agree
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 16, 2023, 11:50:53 AM
If you squint at the traffic cam, you could have seen the guys out there just after the morning rush pulling down the last Stoplight between Indianapolis and Evansville.

https://511in.org/camera/307/@-86.22352,39.61324,14?show=incidents,normalCameras,stationsAlert,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding#camera/307/2747786899
This really is a milestone, 37 had so many overly dangerous butt banger wreck stop lights... I for one am glad to see them gone.

Yes I realize that the going to be Bypassed section of 37/Harding street has several.. but those are not as bad or dangerous, everyone is slowing down knowing that they are going to have to get on 465..

From what I see of the signs put up, I think this section of 37 will just be an unsigned state road. There are a few unsigned state roads. One actually next door.

Old IN 135 remains in state ownership and Maintenace from Thompson Road to Edwards Ave.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 16, 2023, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 16, 2023, 12:33:40 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=839836684809022&set=a.516173620508665

Confirmed that the last stoplight on future I-69 dies today.

Leaves those businesses high and dry, but some of them built there well into planning for I-69

With the possible exception of the Walgreens and gas station, and maybe the Mexican restaurant, most of those businesses look to be more local destinations.  They do have I-69 access via the access road on the west side of the highway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: zzcarp on November 16, 2023, 12:26:15 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 16, 2023, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 16, 2023, 12:33:40 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=839836684809022&set=a.516173620508665

Confirmed that the last stoplight on future I-69 dies today.

Leaves those businesses high and dry, but some of them built there well into planning for I-69

With the possible exception of the Walgreens and gas station, and maybe the Mexican restaurant, most of those businesses look to be more local destinations.  They do have I-69 access via the access road on the west side of the highway.

And it looks like the gas station isn't a gas station anymore but a tool and Uhaul rental shop (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6195462,-86.2112794,3a,59.4y,186.55h,90.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVoKUbnnUgJD8r884nyYPZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) now. So that's "local destination" as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 16, 2023, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on November 16, 2023, 12:26:15 PM

And it looks like the gas station isn't a gas station anymore but a tool and Uhaul rental shop (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6195462,-86.2112794,3a,59.4y,186.55h,90.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVoKUbnnUgJD8r884nyYPZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) now. So that's "local destination" as well.

Burger King and the Gas Station moved out local businesses have moved in.

the CVS (not a Walgreens) is still there however.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 16, 2023, 12:59:46 PM
Here's an earlier aerial of the State Road 37/Fairview Road intersection. As the frontage road is under construction, it dates to either the fall of 2021 or a year earlier.

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I-69 Finish Line

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 16, 2023, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on November 15, 2023, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 15, 2023, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:03 AM
based on what we saw with north split, bridge work will be the only thing they will do over the winter. concrete paving on the rare warm days. that's just a guess though.
As long as the temperature stays above 40 degrees, you can pour concrete.  That might be a tall order during the typical Indiana winter where you can go weeks without the temperature getting above freezing, let alone 40 degrees.

If you REALLY want to pour concrete in siub-40 degree weather, there are ways to do it, at greater expense.

Oh, most definitely. A lot has changed in the concrete industry in recent years. They can pour in very cold temperatures, and often do nowadays. The admixtures (https://theconstructor.org/concrete/antifreeze-admixtures-concrete/20416/) that are needed, however, can be pricey. And it's not just concrete used in road and bridge construction. It's standard now for builders of skyscrapers in NYC and elsewhere to push right through winter, pouring columns and floor plates.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 16, 2023, 02:10:45 PM
In regards to the typical "construction season" for roads and bridges in Indiana, it depends on the project. For multi-year projects, such as I-69's Section 6, contractors will work, whenever possible, during the winter months. Demolition activities are often undertaken in January and February to lay the groundwork for the work to come in the spring. Concrete, as mentioned above, can be poured and paved in cold temperatures. Asphalt, however, is another matter. In cooler temperatures, using asphalt, even warm-mix, proves problematic as it needs to be compressed. Cold temperatures make that difficult, if not impossible. That's why projects using asphalt tend to wrap up in either October or early November.

Here's some earlier photos of the construction in northern Morgan County:

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I-69 Finish Line
Demo work on the southbound SR 37 bridge over Clear Creek; looking south. This is north of Martinsville and just south of the former Egbert Road crossing.

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I-69 Finish Line
Prep work to pile driving for the bridge that will carry the frontage road over Stotts Creek.

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I-69 Finish Line
Taking down the SR 37 southbound bridge over Stotts Creek.

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I-69 Finish Line
Deck pour for the northbound span over Clear Creek. Brrr! Might be early spring, but it looks like a chilly morning.

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I-69 Finish Line
Tying together a rebar cage at the Stotts Creek work zone. That's the White River on the right.

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I-69 Finish Line
Pile drilling for the southbound bridge over Stotts Creek. Snowfalls in south-central Indiana usually melt away after a few days.

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I-69 Finish Line
Inserting wick drains. This is probably the work zone where the Egbert Road overpass was constructed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53336358374_76767c9ae4_k.jpg)
I-69 Finish Line
Not sure of this location, but it appears to be between the present Henderson Ford Road interchange and Egbert Road overpass. Nope, that was incorrect. It's where the present Waverly Road overpass is located, looking in a northeast direction.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53336016756_7ff9e44707_b.jpg)
I-69 Finish Line
Another look at the demo work of the southbound SR 37 bridge over Clear Creek.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 16, 2023, 05:50:28 PM

Few more screenshots grabbed from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking east toward the I-69 interchange work zone. To track progress, we can use this image as a date stamp.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view in the other direction, with another paving pass underway. They'll be able to place six lanes on this pavement, including using the right shoulder.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another look as the paving operation moves east.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Closer look at the machine that applies the curing compound. This machine can also tine the concrete, but that might not be happening.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking east from the Harding Street interchange. Yesterday, traffic using the eastbound entrance ramp from Harding was shifted to the new pavement.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, preparations to pave a strip between the I-69 interchange work zone and the Harding Street interchange are nearly complete. They might pave this Friday if the weather is OK.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking east from the Mann Road overpass. Finally, after being down more than month the camera is back online. Take note how wide the new eastbound roadway will be. That unpaved strip will probably receive its concrete either next week or the week after.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the east on I-465, paving is underway for the new westbound lanes. It's possible the eastbound lanes will be shifted onto this pavement temporarily.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the south, the northbound exit ramp is now open at the Smith Valley Road interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Nice evening view.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
One more looking east toward the girders of the flyover that will take I-69N to I-465W. Whenever possible, they'll be working through the winter months.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2023, 05:26:11 PM
The signage plans on the I-465 overlap are up on INDOT's letting for December 13th!  :colorful:

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 17, 2023, 06:36:33 PM
The contract to build Section 3, the Indiana approach to the proposed I-69 bridge over the Ohio River, was awarded today. ORX Constructors, a joint venture led by Walsh Construction, was the winning bidder. The Constructors JV's bid narrowing beat out a bid by Lunda Construction, a Wisconsin firm. Ragle Inc. of Newburgh, Indiana, also submitted a bid.

After cost proposal price adjustments, the winning bid came in at $185,931,122.20. Lunda's bid, after adjustments, was $187,178,971.00. Both bids were well below the engineer's estimate of $284,140,008.

Examine the official INDOT bid tabulations for this special letting here (https://www.in.gov/indot/doing-business-with-indot/files/20231101_Official-Tab-A.pdf).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: edwaleni on November 18, 2023, 09:10:49 AM
https://fox59.com/news/smith-valley-rd-interchange-with-future-i-69-now-fully-open/

JOHNSON COUNTY, Ind. — INDOT is celebrating a big milestone Friday in the I-69 Finish Line project. The entire interchange at Smith Valley Road is now open. The ramp to NB future I-69 is now open, it was the last part of the interchange that wasn't open yet.

Smith Valley Rd. over the old State Road 37 has been a part of the I-69 Finish Line construction for quite some time now.

"Chaotic," said Tabatha Wilson. "A lot more traffic at the four-way by my house."
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 18, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/37b5100

"6 months ahead of schedule"

I-69 to officially extend to Smith Valley road early next year
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GaryV on November 18, 2023, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 18, 2023, 09:10:49 AM
"Chaotic," said Tabatha Wilson. "A lot more traffic at the four-way by my house."
Maybe they need a roundabout
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2023, 05:26:11 PM
The signage plans on the I-465 overlap are up on INDOT's letting for December 13th!  :colorful:
Any images of the sign plans?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2023, 12:07:58 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53323689016_38dfcb00b9_k.jpg)
Overhead sign construction about a half mile north of the Southport Road overpass. This will be placed over the northbound lanes.
Appears this is mounted now, just north of Southport Rd on the traffic cameras. The Epler Ave BGS is clearly still covered, but unclear if the 465/74 one is covered, or not. Might lead to confusion amongst drivers in the short term.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 19, 2023, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: ITB on November 11, 2023, 12:07:58 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53323689016_38dfcb00b9_k.jpg)
Overhead sign construction about a half mile north of the Southport Road overpass. This will be placed over the northbound lanes.
Appears this is mounted now, just north of Southport Rd on the traffic cameras. The Epler Ave BGS is clearly still covered, but unclear if the 465/74 one is covered, or not. Might lead to confusion amongst drivers in the short term.

Drove this yesterday, that sign is up and fully bagged. they slapped a temp SIGNAL AHEAD sign on it for now. I am shocked at how much faster it is to get to Bloomington now!  :clap: much better than the old way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
For someone who remembers what it was like to drive IN 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis in the late '70s, I-69's a godsend.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
For someone who remembers what it was like to drive IN 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis in the late '70s, I-69's a godsend.

It wasn't much better into the 2000s.

One thing the interstate has helped with, is getting the really annoying "Hyperlocal" traffic off the road. The people using the road for only a couple of miles.
There are the people who.. now have to use the access roads.

Trust me, there were a lot of them, and they didn't move very fast.

Now if we can just get Purdue to not take the "The Boilermaker Special" down I-69 to Bloomington for the Bucket Game..
For those who don't know, the IU-PU Football game is called the "Old Oaken Bucket Game". When the game was played in Bloomington, Purdue drives something called the "The Boilermaker Special" down to Bloomington.. at 45 MPH the WHOLE WAY.. there are hordes of hangers on following it (Including a horde of cars or firetrucks from various agencies from along the along the route), so it becomes an effective rolling slowdown.. I got stuck behind the thing once.

They only drive 45mph as there are two dudes in the back of it constantly beating on a drum. (I am not kidding lol)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsJPiiGsoRqACB2o8DWoKBKsWH9jkOZd6Kx3Gs09zU3g&s)

This years is in Lafayette, so next year lol

(https://purduereamerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BMS5.png)



Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 20, 2023, 11:02:40 AM

Here's another batch of screen shots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
From last Friday, a zoomed in shot looking east from the Mann Road overpass. Although light rain was falling, work proceeded as usual.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking west from near the Harding Street/I-465 interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view of the I-69 interchange work zone; looking east. In preparation for the upcoming traffic shift to the new pavement, concrete barrier sections have been placed to separate the east and westbound lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Severely cropped image showing the concrete barrier sections. The eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street/SR 37 is on the right.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
After the rain has passed, another zoomed in view from near the Mann Road overpass.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's the non-zoomed in view with the Mann Road overpass in the foreground.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Right shoulder paving work; getting it done before expected rain moves in later in the day.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Paved on Sunday, the completed strip of new pavement between the eastbound bridge over Harding Street and the I-69 interchange work zone.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Early morning sunrise.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 20, 2023, 07:32:10 PM
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-november-20-2023/?fbclid=IwAR3XFQg9MkFJXx1-bjSTGWzdo0uxs_jykWQp7bVYfpeWXgthnaEnm-3szLA

Latest update, nothing earth shattering, but here it is anyway
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2023, 08:57:41 PM
I like how well this project has proceeded construction wise. I just wish they'd do drone footage like north split.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vtk on November 20, 2023, 09:45:20 PM
Proximity to the airport adds a significant bureaucratic hurdle to drone flights over the last few miles of I-69 south of 465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2023, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2023, 05:26:11 PM
The signage plans on the I-465 overlap are up on INDOT's letting for December 13th!  :colorful:
Any images of the sign plans?

Digging through the sign plans, the completion date of updating the signs along I-465 to include the I-69 shields won't be until June 2026...
All of the overhead signs will add the I-69 shields on top of the existing signs as a temporary measure (from 2024 until around 2026)...
All of the sign structures will be replaced with new and larger signs (and a LOT of APLs coming) with Evansville as an SB control city & Fort Wayne as an NB control city...

Letting number on INDOT- 43530
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on November 21, 2023, 01:07:09 PM
I've seen those too. I thought it was interesting to see on northbound I-65 approaching I-465 the usage of Fort Wayne (for I-69 north) and Peoria (for I-74 west) on the signage, and then the mention of Evansville and Cincinnati on an auxiliary sign instead of the overhead ones. It would make sense though since most traffic likely isn't heading to either of those locations traveling north. At the split between the two ramps however all control cities are listed.

It's also nice to see them include I-74's control cities at the spot where I-74 joins I-465. Now traffic continuing onto I-465 west/I-74 west get a mention of Peoria (plus I-69's south Evansville) with north I-465 getting Fort Wayne. Down the road I suppose they can do this at the I-74 junction on the west side, mention I-74's eastbound control city of Cincinnati while presumably leaving I-465's control cities blank as they currently do.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on November 21, 2023, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
For someone who remembers what it was like to drive IN 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis in the late '70s, I-69's a godsend.

It wasn't much better into the 2000s.

One thing the interstate has helped with, is getting the really annoying "Hyperlocal" traffic off the road. The people using the road for only a couple of miles.
There are the people who.. now have to use the access roads.

Trust me, there were a lot of them, and they didn't move very fast.

Now if we can just get Purdue to not take the "The Boilermaker Special" down I-69 to Bloomington for the Bucket Game..
For those who don't know, the IU-PU Football game is called the "Old Oaken Bucket Game". When the game was played in Bloomington, Purdue drives something called the "The Boilermaker Special" down to Bloomington.. at 45 MPH the WHOLE WAY.. there are hordes of hangers on following it (Including a horde of cars or firetrucks from various agencies from along the along the route), so it becomes an effective rolling slowdown.. I got stuck behind the thing once.

They only drive 45mph as there are two dudes in the back of it constantly beating on a drum. (I am not kidding lol)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsJPiiGsoRqACB2o8DWoKBKsWH9jkOZd6Kx3Gs09zU3g&s)

This years is in Lafayette, so next year lol

(https://purduereamerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BMS5.png)

Yeah, my lab partner is in Reamer Club and is one of the drivers, they drive about 30 mph faster than you say they do. Not to mention 45 mph is the construction speed limit anyway, not like it would be contributing to congestion there. 
contributing there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 21, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2023, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2023, 05:26:11 PM
The signage plans on the I-465 overlap are up on INDOT's letting for December 13th!  :colorful:
Any images of the sign plans?

Digging through the sign plans, the completion date of updating the signs along I-465 to include the I-69 shields won't be until June 2026...
All of the overhead signs will add the I-69 shields on top of the existing signs as a temporary measure (from 2024 until around 2026)...
All of the sign structures will be replaced with new and larger signs (and a LOT of APLs coming) with Evansville as an SB control city & Fort Wayne as an NB control city...

Letting number on INDOT- 43530
Is there a link? I'm not familiar with where these are haha
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2023, 06:25:49 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 21, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2023, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2023, 05:26:11 PM
The signage plans on the I-465 overlap are up on INDOT's letting for December 13th!  :colorful:
Any images of the sign plans?

Digging through the sign plans, the completion date of updating the signs along I-465 to include the I-69 shields won't be until June 2026...
All of the overhead signs will add the I-69 shields on top of the existing signs as a temporary measure (from 2024 until around 2026)...
All of the sign structures will be replaced with new and larger signs (and a LOT of APLs coming) with Evansville as an SB control city & Fort Wayne as an NB control city...

Letting number on INDOT- 43530
Is there a link? I'm not familiar with where these are haha
https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/

The place to see the documents for INDOT's projects...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 21, 2023, 07:42:59 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2023, 06:25:49 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 21, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2023, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 19, 2023, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2023, 05:26:11 PM
The signage plans on the I-465 overlap are up on INDOT's letting for December 13th!  :colorful:
Any images of the sign plans?

Digging through the sign plans, the completion date of updating the signs along I-465 to include the I-69 shields won't be until June 2026...
All of the overhead signs will add the I-69 shields on top of the existing signs as a temporary measure (from 2024 until around 2026)...
All of the sign structures will be replaced with new and larger signs (and a LOT of APLs coming) with Evansville as an SB control city & Fort Wayne as an NB control city...

Letting number on INDOT- 43530
Is there a link? I'm not familiar with where these are haha
https://erms.indot.in.gov/viewdocs/

The place to see the documents for INDOT's projects...
Looking at that, they're adding variable speed limits - a very welcomed change!
They also have US 36 as IN 36 in there too, haha
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 24, 2023, 09:10:48 AM
Quote from: Moose on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
For someone who remembers what it was like to drive IN 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis in the late '70s, I-69's a godsend.

It wasn't much better into the 2000s.

One thing the interstate has helped with, is getting the really annoying "Hyperlocal" traffic off the road. The people using the road for only a couple of miles.
There are the people who.. now have to use the access roads.

Trust me, there were a lot of them, and they didn't move very fast.

Now if we can just get Purdue to not take the "The Boilermaker Special" down I-69 to Bloomington for the Bucket Game..
For those who don't know, the IU-PU Football game is called the "Old Oaken Bucket Game". When the game was played in Bloomington, Purdue drives something called the "The Boilermaker Special" down to Bloomington.. at 45 MPH the WHOLE WAY.. there are hordes of hangers on following it (Including a horde of cars or firetrucks from various agencies from along the along the route), so it becomes an effective rolling slowdown.. I got stuck behind the thing once.

They only drive 45mph as there are two dudes in the back of it constantly beating on a drum. (I am not kidding lol)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsJPiiGsoRqACB2o8DWoKBKsWH9jkOZd6Kx3Gs09zU3g&s)

This years is in Lafayette, so next year lol

(https://purduereamerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BMS5.png)

I actually saw that drum when the Purdue Marching Band performed at the Bands of America Indianapolis Super Regional high school marching band competition.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 25, 2023, 10:18:41 PM

Here's another batch of screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
From last Wednesday, a mid-range shot looking east toward the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the west, also on Wednesday, a large paving operation was underway to pave up the wide strip between the recently built bridges over Harmon Ditch (right, foreground) and the White River (background). A sliver of Harmon Ditch can be seen in the lower left-center.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And again on Wednesday, there was a minor incident on the westbound lanes east of the Harding Street interchange. In the top-center, the new eastbound roadway is currently being used as the eastbound entrance ramp from Harding Street/SR 37.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
As usual, even a little fender bender tends to cause a large backup.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Long range view from the Mann Road camera one day prior to the paving operation pictured above.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's the paving activity wrapping up the next day. With that job finished, the focus will likely turn to completing the right shoulder as well as the south sidewall of the White River bridge.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
West of the I-69 interchange work zone, rebar work nears completion in preparation to pave the right shoulder east of the White River bridge. Earlier, a section of right shoulder was paved further east near the I-69 interchange (pictured below). This image also shows how six lanes of traffic can be placed on this pavement. It will be snug, probably 11 or 10.5 feet per lane, but little different from the lanes in use now.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Again, from last Wednesday, a long range view looking toward the I-69 interchange work zone, showing the section of newly paved right shoulder.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Closer look at the I-69 work zone and the eastbound exit to Harding Street/SR 37. Interesting that the sign is mounted on a truck.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And one more, a bright, clear long range shot from the Mann Road camera.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 26, 2023, 03:29:39 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 25, 2023, 10:18:41 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
Closer look at the I-69 work zone and the eastbound exit to Harding Street/SR 37. Interesting that the sign is mounted on a truck.

Probably because they thought they could reuse the sign for the final product.  There's tape at the bottom covering over the 'EXIT ONLY' text.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on November 27, 2023, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 26, 2023, 03:29:39 AM
Quote from: ITB on November 25, 2023, 10:18:41 PM
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INDOT Traffic Camera
Closer look at the I-69 work zone and the eastbound exit to Harding Street/SR 37. Interesting that the sign is mounted on a truck.

Probably because they thought they could reuse the sign for the final product.  There's tape at the bottom covering over the 'EXIT ONLY' text.

INDOT has actually been mounting exit signs that are usually overhead on the side in work zones (see I-465 at mile 25 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9250998,-86.2485989,3a,22.1y,291.27h,89.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGmX58pI4c0yxKYOAVeu1Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) and mile 37 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8923245,-86.0506874,3a,19.1y,328.19h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBfNGepC6yZ_a8MHuyC0KTw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)). These were the old signs that they wanted to mount closer to the roadway but installing them overhead doesn't make sense with existing pavement (either can't fit or no overhead gantries are in place). In the case of SR 37, it will be decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers at the end of the project, thus the sign will not be reused, but during construction there's nowhere else to mount it within view.

Also a side note that I'm not sure has been mentioned before, but just north of Smith Valley road I saw a 60 mph speed limit sign covered up and mounted to the sound barriers when I drove through yesterday.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on November 29, 2023, 08:11:29 AM
ya that's just the old sign, it will be used until the new permanent one is installed. they already have 1 of the new ones up and it just says HARDING STREET.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on November 29, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 29, 2023, 08:11:29 AM
ya that's just the old sign, it will be used until the new permanent one is installed. they already have 1 of the new ones up and it just says HARDING STREET.
I just find it interesting they mounted the sign to the side of a dump truck. I've never seen that before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on November 29, 2023, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 29, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 29, 2023, 08:11:29 AM
ya that's just the old sign, it will be used until the new permanent one is installed. they already have 1 of the new ones up and it just says HARDING STREET.
I just find it interesting they mounted the sign to the side of a dump truck. I've never seen that before.

Hey, whatever works.   :clap:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 29, 2023, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on November 29, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 29, 2023, 08:11:29 AM
ya that's just the old sign, it will be used until the new permanent one is installed. they already have 1 of the new ones up and it just says HARDING STREET.
I just find it interesting they mounted the sign to the side of a dump truck. I've never seen that before.

It looks like they strapped it in the middle of the bed of a low side flatbed truck.

You can see the strap going across the front of the sign.

All ready to be taken away when the new one goes up lol.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 30, 2023, 12:28:33 PM
More pictures from INDOT traffic cameras:

Yesterday was a busy paving day on the new eastbound lanes of I-465. Let's get started with a couple of before photos.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Early morning start to prepare for the paving of a wide strip east of the  I-69 interchange work zone (background). The strip looked to be about 24–30 feet wide, and to pave it they probably needed the largest paving machine they had at their disposal.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Further west, east of the Mann Road overpass, prepping for a paving pass near a newly built retaining wall. Overnight temps were in the 20s, so they had to wait a bit for the air temperature to climb before getting underway.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
By noon, west of the I-69 interchange work zone, a team was busy at work putting down concrete for the right shoulder. This involved a lot of manual work, hand screeding, bull floating, and so on. A paver couldn't be used, as there was no place to position one side of the machine's tracks.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's what they had to do. It looks to be 200–300 yards. Working steadily, the crew was probably able to do 300 feet a day, maybe more, so finishing this might take a couple more days.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
By afternoon, paving work had been underway for a couple of hours on the wide strip east of the I-69 work zone. Since the strip was so wide, hundreds and hundreds of yards of concrete were required. In the background, another major concrete pour of some sort was underway using a pumper truck.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Still at it as the sun began to drop in the southwestern sky. Heavy traffic on the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street/SR 37.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Cutting joints. Earlier, a small strip was paved just east of the exit ramp. That strip is visible in the previously posted picture of the truck mounted sign.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
About 5 pm a team showed up to concrete up the unpaved sliver. Although the sun was going down as well as the temperature, they figured they could knock it out in short order, which they did.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In total, it took about an hour.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Back to the wide strip paving operation, here they are finishing up around 8:30 pm.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the south in Johnson County, work continues on the median near the State Road 144 interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And the view looking south.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
A zoomed in view from the Mann Road camera from earlier today, showing the newly paved strip near the retaining wall. In the background, rebar is being put down for another section of right shoulder.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And also from today, another look toward the I-69 interchange work zone.

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INDOT TrafficWise website
Here's a screen grab of the map on the INDOT TrafficWise website, showing the camera locations along the I-465 work zone. If interested, access that website and those cameras here (https://511in.org/snow-plow-camera/63862-i/@-86.20374,39.68993,13?show=incidents,normalCameras,stationsAlert,weatherWarningsAreaEvents,plowCameras,flooding) or simply search "INDOT 511" and zoom in to where you want to go.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on November 30, 2023, 02:47:10 PM
Some before and afters updated.

https://fb.watch/oEE1HPLKpx/
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on November 30, 2023, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2023, 02:47:10 PM
Some before and afters updated.

https://fb.watch/oEE1HPLKpx/

Sorry. Link not working for me (it reverts to the main Watch page).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on November 30, 2023, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on November 30, 2023, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2023, 02:47:10 PM
Some before and afters updated.

https://fb.watch/oEE1HPLKpx/

Sorry. Link not working for me (it reverts to the main Watch page).

Initially, it worked for me, but isn't now. Another option to try is this I-69 Finish Line link (https://i69finishline.com/before-after-photos/).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2023, 03:15:08 PM
There still seems to be signage of IN 37 along Interstate 69 between Bloomington and Martinsville (mostly none between Martinsville and Indianapolis), and there is still some signage of 37 along 69 north of 465. Once IN 37 is eventually split into a 3-legged highway, they may have to renumber the mileposts along the IN 37 expressway north of Interstate 69 in Fishers.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 01, 2023, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2023, 03:15:08 PM
There still seems to be signage of IN 37 along Interstate 69 between Bloomington and Martinsville (mostly none between Martinsville and Indianapolis), and there is still some signage of 37 along 69 north of 465. Once IN 37 is eventually split into a 3-legged highway, they may have to renumber the mileposts along the IN 37 expressway north of Interstate 69 in Fishers.

they will definitely not do that. INDOT leaves gaps everywhere and doesn't worry about the mileage. 37 already has a massive gap. it used to go all the way to ohio as 1 complete route. they got rid of a huge chunk from SR 9 to I-469 because it was cosigned the whole way. here is a mile post on the piece east of 469 https://www.google.com/maps/@41.163209,-84.9695275,3a,16.7y,172.27h,79.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk8Ly_Sd0MIgOEuFHqV8whg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: PurdueBill on December 01, 2023, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: I-55 on November 21, 2023, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
For someone who remembers what it was like to drive IN 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis in the late '70s, I-69's a godsend.

It wasn't much better into the 2000s.

One thing the interstate has helped with, is getting the really annoying "Hyperlocal" traffic off the road. The people using the road for only a couple of miles.
There are the people who.. now have to use the access roads.

Trust me, there were a lot of them, and they didn't move very fast.

Now if we can just get Purdue to not take the "The Boilermaker Special" down I-69 to Bloomington for the Bucket Game..
For those who don't know, the IU-PU Football game is called the "Old Oaken Bucket Game". When the game was played in Bloomington, Purdue drives something called the "The Boilermaker Special" down to Bloomington.. at 45 MPH the WHOLE WAY.. there are hordes of hangers on following it (Including a horde of cars or firetrucks from various agencies from along the along the route), so it becomes an effective rolling slowdown.. I got stuck behind the thing once.

They only drive 45mph as there are two dudes in the back of it constantly beating on a drum. (I am not kidding lol)

This years is in Lafayette, so next year lol


Yeah, my lab partner is in Reamer Club and is one of the drivers, they drive about 30 mph faster than you say they do. Not to mention 45 mph is the construction speed limit anyway, not like it would be contributing to congestion there. 
contributing there.

The Special is capable of regular highway speeds.  The predecessor of the current one, the Boilermaker Special V, led a group of us out of the Tippecanoe Mall parking lot out IN 38 to I-65 and down to Bloomington for the Bucket game in 1999.  The Special traveled the prevailing speed all the way down on 65, 465, and 37.  It drives to away games and bowl games all over the place and would never get where it needed to if it were limited to 45 mph.  (The 2001 Rose Bowl trip was one of the few it didn't drive to; to save time (as well as probably due to the winter conditions crossing the Rockies), it was shipped to California.)

Last January 2, I was outside the Citrus Bowl stadium after the game as the Special was leaving; there were some people who were sure that the Special would not get onto the East-West Expressway (FL 408), but were shocked when it did.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 01, 2023, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on December 01, 2023, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: I-55 on November 21, 2023, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: Moose on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
For someone who remembers what it was like to drive IN 37 from Bloomington to Indianapolis in the late '70s, I-69's a godsend.

It wasn't much better into the 2000s.

One thing the interstate has helped with, is getting the really annoying "Hyperlocal" traffic off the road. The people using the road for only a couple of miles.
There are the people who.. now have to use the access roads.

Trust me, there were a lot of them, and they didn't move very fast.

Now if we can just get Purdue to not take the "The Boilermaker Special" down I-69 to Bloomington for the Bucket Game..
For those who don't know, the IU-PU Football game is called the "Old Oaken Bucket Game". When the game was played in Bloomington, Purdue drives something called the "The Boilermaker Special" down to Bloomington.. at 45 MPH the WHOLE WAY.. there are hordes of hangers on following it (Including a horde of cars or firetrucks from various agencies from along the along the route), so it becomes an effective rolling slowdown.. I got stuck behind the thing once.

They only drive 45mph as there are two dudes in the back of it constantly beating on a drum. (I am not kidding lol)

This years is in Lafayette, so next year lol


Yeah, my lab partner is in Reamer Club and is one of the drivers, they drive about 30 mph faster than you say they do. Not to mention 45 mph is the construction speed limit anyway, not like it would be contributing to congestion there. 
contributing there.

The Special is capable of regular highway speeds.  The predecessor of the current one, the Boilermaker Special V, led a group of us out of the Tippecanoe Mall parking lot out IN 38 to I-65 and down to Bloomington for the Bucket game in 1999.  The Special traveled the prevailing speed all the way down on 65, 465, and 37.  It drives to away games and bowl games all over the place and would never get where it needed to if it were limited to 45 mph.  (The 2001 Rose Bowl trip was one of the few it didn't drive to; to save time (as well as probably due to the winter conditions crossing the Rockies), it was shipped to California.)

Last January 2, I was outside the Citrus Bowl stadium after the game as the Special was leaving; there were some people who were sure that the Special would not get onto the East-West Expressway (FL 408), but were shocked when it did.

In this case they had the giant drum in the tender and the guys were beating on it standing up while the special was in motion.. It was some time ago.

(Like it could have been eons ago, I have a photographic memory of sorts, and I am prone to remembering crap from EONs ago like it was yesterday)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 01, 2023, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2023, 03:15:08 PM
There still seems to be signage of IN 37 along Interstate 69 between Bloomington and Martinsville (mostly none between Martinsville and Indianapolis), and there is still some signage of 37 along 69 north of 465. Once IN 37 is eventually split into a 3-legged highway, they may have to renumber the mileposts along the IN 37 expressway north of Interstate 69 in Fishers.

Yeah there really is. particularly on the Section 5 portion, where 69 and 37 shields sit next to each other on the BGS signs on the intersection roads.

Though my favorite is the Walnut street interchange, they didn't bother to put up BGS signs.. its shields on overhead wires. (like its been for eons)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.232098,-86.5406828,3a,75y,3.95h,93.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssNXa80k64UNWg1YbsgdtsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

No control city listed here LOL, just "Freeway Entrance"

Guess it was inevitable.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 05, 2023, 05:44:06 PM
So I noticed something today driving along I-465 on the south side at the new I-69 interchange. I believe it's been mentioned but they have some new BGSs up with Harding Street along with an "Exit 4" tab on it, and not Exit 4A. On top of that I saw at the gore point where I-465 east exits off onto the new southbound I-69 there's a small sign with "Exit 5" on it. If this is correct it would seem that they may have dropped the Exit 4A and 4B identifiers for the new I-69 interchange complex with the Harding Street interchange. So it could just be Exit 4 for Harding Street and Exit 5 for I-69. Which, in my opinion, would be a better way to go anyway.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 06, 2023, 10:56:33 AM
As expected, the upcoming lane shifts on I-465 are soon to happen.

According to the latest On Track Project Update (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-4-2023-2/), eastbound I-465 traffic between I-70 and US 31 will be transitioned to the new pavement starting at 11 pm on December 15. The change over process is planned to continue through the weekend and end around 5 am on December 18.

As part of the traffic switch, several ramps will be temporarily closed, including the eastbound entrance ramps from SR67/Kentucky Ave., Mann Road, and Harding Street, as well as eastbound and westbound ramps to I-465 from I-70. Two eastbound lanes of[ I-465 between I-70 and US 31 also will be temporarily closed.

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I-69 Finish Line

Update: The impending traffic shift will begin at 9 pm on December 15, not at 11 pm.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 06, 2023, 07:45:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=853939010065456&set=a.516173620508665

"Attention motorists! Please prepare for delays on Thursday morning, as two lanes will be closed at Stones Crossing and Banta Road."

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 07, 2023, 01:01:04 PM
Any the lane closed noticed mysteriously poofed... lol
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 08, 2023, 12:28:35 AM
Here's another photo update using screen grabs from INDOT cameras. Lots has been going on this week. Crews have been working hard to get the new, realigned lanes of eastbound I-465 between Mann Road and US 31 ready for the upcoming traffic shift. The change over, as mentioned in a previous post, is planned to begin at 11 pm on December 15.

Let's go to the pictures. To start, we'll go with some screenshots from earlier in the week.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
From Monday, a zoomed in shot from the Mann Road camera. On the right, a crew worked putting down concrete for the right shoulder. Like the right shoulder strip east of the White River bridge, this work had to done manually, foot by foot.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Also on Monday, a paving operation kicked off to pave another strip between the mainline bridges over Bluff Road and S. Meridian Street. This pavement will be for the future westbound lanes. As can be seen on the left, temporary asphalt pavement was placed to maintain three lanes of westbound traffic. As construction moves forward westbound traffic likely will be shifted to the new pavement. This will allow the old pavement adjacent to the new concrete to be ripped up and replaced, thereby widening the roadway to accommodate four lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the south of I-465, landscaping earthwork was underway north of the Southport Road interchange. In this area, almost all work has wrapped up for the season.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another grab from the Mann Road camera, again on Monday. It's almost 7 pm and work is still ongoing.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking toward the I-69 interchange work zone as a relatively short December day begins to come to end. In Indianapolis, there was only 9 and a half hours of daylight on December 4th, to be exact, 9:30:42.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here, again, is the right shoulder concrete crew at work making good progress as the sun came out in the afternoon.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
A look at the new pavement strip east of the mainline bridge over Bluff Road. In the background is the paving crew at work. Take note how much they were able to pave in just a little over four hours.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Also on Tuesday, right shoulder paving was underway just west of the new mainline bridge over Harding Street.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On Wednesday morning, the right shoulder paving crew neared their completion point at the Harmon Ditch bridge, while a paving crew got ready to pave the strip adjacent to the retaining wall.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
A closer look of the I-69 interchange work zone. Looks like they're making good progress on the north abutment for the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
On Thursday prior to sunrise, crew members arrive on site near the I-69 interchange work zone for another day of work.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Not a great picture, but here's the view in the other direction. Earlier in the week, the edge wall was paved with dry cast concrete.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
East of the mainline bridge over Harding Street, another strip was recently paved, too. Not sure what they'll do with the left shoulder in this area. My guess is they'll put down some material and then place concrete barrier wall sections at the edge next to the new pavement.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here again is the new pavement east of the mainline bridge over Bluff Road. As can be seen, this is where the pavement literally ends. What they're going to do here short term, I don't know. Will they finish this section up this month or next, or wait until spring?

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And finally on Thursday, another look from the Mann Road camera. The right shoulder strip next to the retaining wall is now paved, and a crew worked to finish the last small section of the right shoulder.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 08, 2023, 08:41:21 AM
INDOT and the construction contractor have done an amazing job of doing this so fast. I'm very impressed at the speed.  :clap:
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 08, 2023, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 08, 2023, 08:41:21 AM
INDOT and the construction contractor have done an amazing job of doing this so fast. I'm very impressed at the speed.  :clap:
https://youtu.be/005uaVDyIk4?si=iEvcZZ9IA2guXqHO
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 08, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
Just bumped into this INDOT video on the bridge girder setting for the I 69 to I 465 ramp.  It is a couple months old but don't think it has been shared before here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74DQzJlLRkQ
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
Am i not the only one in here who is thinking that perhaps it is time for INDOT to dispense with marking all of the various through 2DIs (and other routes, for that matter) on I-465 and just mention them in the BGSes on I-465 at their respective major interchanges (outbound) and as they approach I-465 "for NB I-xx follow I-465 (this way), etc" (inbound)?  I'm of the mind that this would be a major 'KISS' improvement.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on December 08, 2023, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
Am i not the only one in here who is thinking that perhaps it is time for INDOT to dispense with marking all of the various through 2DIs (and other routes, for that matter) on I-465 and just mention them in the BGSes on I-465 at their respective major interchanges (outbound) and as they approach I-465 "for NB I-xx follow I-465 (this way), etc" (inbound)?  I'm of the mind that this would be a major 'KISS' improvement.

Mike

If you're suggesting that all non-interstate routes concurrent with I-465 (US 52, US 31, SR 67, etc.) should be unsigned, INDOT is already ahead of you. I-74 is the only other route signed on I-465, with I-69 soon to follow. I wouldn't recommend an unsigned gap in a 2di, the current state of signage is adequate.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 08, 2023, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
Am i not the only one in here who is thinking that perhaps it is time for INDOT to dispense with marking all of the various through 2DIs (and other routes, for that matter) on I-465 and just mention them in the BGSes on I-465 at their respective major interchanges (outbound) and as they approach I-465 "for NB I-xx follow I-465 (this way), etc" (inbound)?  I'm of the mind that this would be a major 'KISS' improvement.

Mike

With the exception of I-74 (and, soon, I-69), they really haven't marked them, except as you suggest with the "FOLLOW" signs, which I remember as far back as the '80s when it was just 421 and 52 that followed it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on December 08, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
Am i not the only one in here who is thinking that perhaps it is time for INDOT to dispense with marking all of the various through 2DIs (and other routes, for that matter) on I-465 and just mention them in the BGSes on I-465 at their respective major interchanges (outbound) and as they approach I-465 "for NB I-xx follow I-465 (this way), etc" (inbound)?  I'm of the mind that this would be a major 'KISS' improvement.

Mike
INDOT does not sign non-Interstates along I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on December 08, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
Am i not the only one in here who is thinking that perhaps it is time for INDOT to dispense with marking all of the various through 2DIs (and other routes, for that matter) on I-465 and just mention them in the BGSes on I-465 at their respective major interchanges (outbound) and as they approach I-465 "for NB I-xx follow I-465 (this way), etc" (inbound)?  I'm of the mind that this would be a major 'KISS' improvement.

Mike
INDOT does not sign non-Interstates along I-465.

Kewl    :cool:

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 08, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on December 08, 2023, 02:58:33 PM

INDOT does not sign non-Interstates along I-465.

There used to be "direction" signs.. the sign would tell you to follow 465 to such and such exit and get off for each route.. but I haven't seen even them in years.

The 36/67 one on Pendleton pike was pretty busy.. but even those appear to have disappeared.

In-67 on the south side still has it's sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6972433,-86.26656,3a,75y,35.43h,95.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDtD4q6_R5d6U-q9xoYByyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on December 08, 2023, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 08, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on December 08, 2023, 02:58:33 PM

INDOT does not sign non-Interstates along I-465.

There used to be "direction" signs.. the sign would tell you to follow 465 to such and such exit and get off for each route.. but I haven't seen even them in years.

The 36/67 one on Pendleton pike was pretty busy.. but even those appear to have disappeared.

In-67 on the south side still has it's sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6972433,-86.26656,3a,75y,35.43h,95.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDtD4q6_R5d6U-q9xoYByyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

US 31 had one in 08 I snapped a pic of. Of corse that's over 13 years ago, and a lot can happen even in one month.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on December 08, 2023, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on December 08, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 08, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
Am i not the only one in here who is thinking that perhaps it is time for INDOT to dispense with marking all of the various through 2DIs (and other routes, for that matter) on I-465 and just mention them in the BGSes on I-465 at their respective major interchanges (outbound) and as they approach I-465 "for NB I-xx follow I-465 (this way), etc" (inbound)?  I'm of the mind that this would be a major 'KISS' improvement.

Mike
INDOT does not sign non-Interstates along I-465.
Maybe that's also the reason for the mileage cap it currently has?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: jnewkirk77 on December 09, 2023, 07:45:17 PM
"Follow" signs that still existed last time I checked:

WEST: US 40 EB to 465/74 SB: https://maps.app.goo.gl/82YrGCBYp6kQPTdHA
SW: SR 67 NB before ramp to 465/74 EB: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xSczvrkoQMYj21Dz8
SE: US 421 NB from 74 WB to 465 NB: https://maps.app.goo.gl/64YgPsS38d8RgEjN8
NW: US 421 SB to 465 EB - used to be on the ramp, now it's north of 96th: https://maps.app.goo.gl/poLfBdjmZrUjZSSu8
NW: US 52 EB to 465 EB - this is an oldie, still button copy! Just west of the 865/465 junction. https://maps.app.goo.gl/VgGm2TGaHPQDvQju5

Gone:

EAST: US 40 WB is now co-signed on a BGS with 465 SB at the ramp from WB Washington to 465 SB.
SE: US 52 WB is co-signed on a BGS with 465 at the ramp from Brookville Rd to 465 NB.
NE: US 36 & SR 67 are co-signed on a BGS with 465 SB on Pendleton Pike to 465 SB.
NORTH & SOUTH: US 31 is co-signed with 465 (north side) and 465/74 (south side)
NW: US 52 EB is now co-signed with 865 EB to 465 EB. There used to be a follow sign about where the Soldiers & Sailors Garden is in the Lincoln Memory Gardens cemetery that lies between Indianapolis Road and 65, south of Whitestown Parkway (old 334).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: cjw2001 on December 09, 2023, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: jnewkirk77 on December 09, 2023, 07:45:17 PM
"Follow" signs that still existed last time I checked:

WEST: US 40 EB to 465/74 SB: https://maps.app.goo.gl/82YrGCBYp6kQPTdHA
SW: SR 67 NB before ramp to 465/74 EB: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xSczvrkoQMYj21Dz8
SE: US 421 NB from 74 WB to 465 NB: https://maps.app.goo.gl/64YgPsS38d8RgEjN8
NW: US 421 SB to 465 EB - used to be on the ramp, now it's north of 96th: https://maps.app.goo.gl/poLfBdjmZrUjZSSu8
NW: US 52 EB to 465 EB - this is an oldie, still button copy! Just west of the 865/465 junction. https://maps.app.goo.gl/VgGm2TGaHPQDvQju5

Gone:

EAST: US 40 WB is now co-signed on a BGS with 465 SB at the ramp from WB Washington to 465 SB.
SE: US 52 WB is co-signed on a BGS with 465 at the ramp from Brookville Rd to 465 NB.
NE: US 36 & SR 67 are co-signed on a BGS with 465 SB on Pendleton Pike to 465 SB.
NORTH & SOUTH: US 31 is co-signed with 465 (north side) and 465/74 (south side)
NW: US 52 EB is now co-signed with 865 EB to 465 EB. There used to be a follow sign about where the Soldiers & Sailors Garden is in the Lincoln Memory Gardens cemetery that lies between Indianapolis Road and 65, south of Whitestown Parkway (old 334).

Follow sign for US 31 southbound still exists as of July 2023:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/oH9siS9mg7YY2rM56
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 10, 2023, 11:49:59 PM

On a whim, I looked up FEMA Flood Zone maps for parts of the I-69 corridor in Marion and Morgan counties. The results were eye-opening.

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As can be seen, the area where the I-69/I-465 interchange is under construction is nearly surrounded by floodplain. To get your bearings, the I-465 — SR 37/Harding Street interchange is located in the upper right. Just to the left is Haueisen Ditch, which goes underneath I-465 via a large culvert. The wide striped pattern further left is the White River's regulatory floodway. And left of that, also striped, is the floodway of Harmon Ditch.

Flood zones are ranked according to risk. The highest risk areas, termed Special Flood Hazard Areas, are labeled either "A" or "AE." There are other A-labels, such as AH and AO, but for simplicity, let's just stick to the labels shown on the maps.

Although flood zone labeling has changed somewhat in recent years, it's still fairly straightforward:

A — blue in color; a flood zone that has NOT been analyzed in detail; no base flood elevation (BFE)
AE — blue in color; flood zone that has been analyzed in detail and includes a BFE

Both A and AE zones have a 1% chance of flooding each year, also known as the 100-year floodplain

Striped area — Regulatory Floodway Area

X — light brown in color; a flood zone with moderate or low risk

X zones have a .2% chance of flooding annually

In the map above, the black squiggly lines show how far and wide the flood will spread with each stipulated increase in water depth. The new terrain route of I-69 south of I-465, which runs between the two quarries, is shown as being in floodplain. But that's not the situation now, as the ground of that section of I-69 roadway was undoubtedly built up. The floodplain was probably why the initial plans had I-69 going over Epler Avenue instead of the other way around, Epler over I-69, which was ultimately built.

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North of Martinsville in Morgan County, the area of the Henderson Ford Road interchange. On the right is the flood zone of Stotts Creek, which is quite sizeable. Southwest of the interchange (bottom left) was a large floodplain. That's where the mainline bridges were built crossing a dry swale, most certainly because of the floodplain. And, again, the ground on which the roadways were constructed was most certainly built up.

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Further south in Morgan County, the area of the Liberty Church Road interchange. The map shows a section of I-69, as well as small parts of the interchange ramps and associated frontage roads, in a high risk flood zone. Undoubtedly, those sections of road were built up, too, and when the map is updated, the designated flood zone area will likely shrink in the vicinity of the interchange.

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And here's the city of Martinsville, or rather a good chunk of it. Sections of Martinsville have flooded in the past, the most memorable recent event being the flood of 2008 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7uo4ZFquLU). Of interest, the map shows SR 39 on the western edge of the city as a levee, in addition to being a road. No doubt that section was built up because of previous flooding. The striped section east of SR 39 indicates the area as a reduced flood risk due to the levee.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 11, 2023, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 10, 2023, 11:49:59 PM

On a whim, I looked up FEMA Flood Zone maps for parts of the I-69 corridor in Marion and Morgan counties. The results were eye-opening.


More than the flood zone, the area of the 465 interchanges are dictated by those freaking deep quarry lakes.
I remember that there was a tradeoff fight here. Perry township isn't blessed with a lot of industrial tax base and this I-69 interchange was and still is poised to take a lot of it off the Perry Twp tax rolls. The original drawings had more of the quarry lake being filled in.. until they figured out how much it would take to fill those in. I forget how deep those quarries are, but they are really deep.

The local companies had actually been slowly working to fill those lakes back in, but it's a slow process, as particularly in the lake between the new I-69 and the old In-37 is the deepest of them all.

As to flooding and more south, the problem area that floods the most is where Stotts Creek flows into the West Branch of the White River. I remember thinking, they really should have raised this more than they did.. Martinsville is now a little higher then it was, I think.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5008678,-86.3326785,3a,75y,329.16h,87.81t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMuGEmh18Kth5Pzv7d7ZDcg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DMuGEmh18Kth5Pzv7d7ZDcg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D34.899487%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 11, 2023, 08:00:14 PM
More ramp and lane closures.

https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-11-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1uM4hxW5fOLymw4DmSG6XDII2yeCH7BR6i_r7kwgIjBsCe7sM0sOTjnCI

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 12, 2023, 02:23:55 PM
Picture time. Without further adieu, to the photos, which were taken Sunday, December 10, 2023.

It was unfortunately another dark, grayish day. I did some post-processing work to lighten some of the photos.

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The girders of the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking slightly northeast. Guardrail is now in place along the exit ramp to Harding Street/SR 37.

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Looking north toward the I-69/I-465 interchange from the Epler Avenue overpass. A lot of paving has taken place here in the past month.

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Looking northwest toward the gore point where the ramp to I-69S splits off from I-465 east. On the right, a bobtail truck enters the ramp to Harding Street. Also visible on the right is a section of MSE wall for the north abutment of the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

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Long range shot looking slightly northeast from the Epler Avenue overpass.

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Turning around, here's the view looking southeast from Epler.

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Closer look of the new pavement as well as the sign mounted on the truck; looking east. If it looks a little chilly, I can assure you it was.

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Here's the view looking in the other direction. In the deep background left, two vehicles, headlights on, can be discerned coming down the Mann Road entrance ramp. Also, here's that triangular sliver that was pictured in an earlier INDOT camera screenshot getting its concrete.

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The ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking southeast.

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Another look northeast as cars zip down the exit ramp to Harding Street.

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Closer look of the I-69 interchange with all four movements clearly defined; looking north from Epler.

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Another perspective looking slightly northeast.

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Long range view looking southeast from the Epler Avenue overpass.

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The ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking east.

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Another look north from Epler.

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Zoomed in look. I should have cranked down the aperture and boosted the ISO, but in a hurry with hands freezing, it is what it is.

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Looking north from the Sunshine Gardens neighborhood. The Harding Street power station, which is one of the main sources of electricity in Indianapolis, is gas-fired, having been converted from coal in 2016. It is operated by AES Indiana, a subsidiary of power giant AES.

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And looking slightly northwest toward the ramp from I-465E to I-69S.

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One more. Road closed!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 14, 2023, 01:22:04 PM
More screenshots:

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I-69 Finish Line; On Track Project Update, December 11, 2023
Aerial of the I-69/I-465 interchange construction zone; looking east. The is a recent picture, probably a week to three weeks old. Almost all of the new eastbound roadway is paved, save a couple of strips and wedges. From this vantage point, it's clear the north abutment of the I-465W to I-69S flyover (the partially built bridge) will be located smack dab in the middle of the currently used roadways of I-465. Also, note the barrier wall sections already in place on the new pavement for the impending traffic shift.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view from the Mann Road camera. Final preparations are underway for the upcoming eastbound traffic shift to the new pavement. That will get underway Friday night, December 15, beginning at 9 pm. Last night more concrete barrier sections were trucked in and placed. Why the barriers bulb out in that one spot, I have no idea. Orange now seems to be the favored color for concrete curing blankets.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Striping was put down on the new pavement yesterday. Initially, when I saw this my first impression was, whoa, what's going on here? Are they not planning to place westbound traffic on the new pavement? Well, soon enough, what happened was revealed — they screwed up with the striping (see next picture).

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's what it looks like after the redo. I imagine there was some unhappiness among those concerned, but sometimes these things happen, particularly on a big project like this where numerous jobs are juggled simultaneously.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The view in the other direction. A section of guide rail has been installed to protect the sign foundation. Can't have a vehicle ramming that, can we? In the road barrier industry, guide rail appears to be the preferred term instead of guardrail, though both can be used interchangeably. In the background, coming along very nicely is the north abutment of the I-69N to I-465W flyover. If the relatively mild early winter weather continues they might finish it up in another month.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Early evening shot. Only eight days to go until we begin to gain daylight.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on December 14, 2023, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 14, 2023, 01:22:04 PM
Early evening shot. Only eight days to go until we begin to gain daylight.

Fun fact: The earliest sunset, specifically, of the year in the area occurred about a week ago.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 16, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 12, 2023, 02:23:55 PM

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Closer look of the new pavement as well as the sign mounted on the truck; looking east. If it looks a little chilly, I can assure you it was.


The dirty deed has been done... the infamous Harding Street exit sign truck has been driven off site.. whatever the case may be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 16, 2023, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 16, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 12, 2023, 02:23:55 PM

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Closer look of the new pavement as well as the sign mounted on the truck; looking east. If it looks a little chilly, I can assure you it was.


The dirty deed has been done... the infamous Harding Street exit sign truck has been driven off site.. whatever the case may be.
I also just noticed they have installed the Texas-style light towers at the interchange and it looks like continuing down I-465 in the background as well.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on December 16, 2023, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 16, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
The dirty deed has been done... the infamous Harding Street exit sign truck has been driven off site.. whatever the case may be.
It's just off the side of the future EB lanes - saw it driving WB this afternoon.

There's also signs covered up just west of the Mann Rd overpass over the EB lanes - wonder what these signs will have on them when revealed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on December 16, 2023, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 16, 2023, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 16, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
The dirty deed has been done... the infamous Harding Street exit sign truck has been driven off site.. whatever the case may be.
It's just off the side of the future EB lanes - saw it driving WB this afternoon.

There's also signs covered up just west of the Mann Rd overpass over the EB lanes - wonder what these signs will have on them when revealed.

It's a Travel Time sign with distances to I-65 and I-74. It generally replaces one that had been in a similar location before.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on December 16, 2023, 11:19:40 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 16, 2023, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 16, 2023, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 16, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
The dirty deed has been done... the infamous Harding Street exit sign truck has been driven off site.. whatever the case may be.
It's just off the side of the future EB lanes - saw it driving WB this afternoon.

There's also signs covered up just west of the Mann Rd overpass over the EB lanes - wonder what these signs will have on them when revealed.

It's a Travel Time sign with distances to I-65 and I-74. It generally replaces one that had been in a similar location before.

those things are so useful!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on December 17, 2023, 12:03:23 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 16, 2023, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 16, 2023, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 16, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
The dirty deed has been done... the infamous Harding Street exit sign truck has been driven off site.. whatever the case may be.
It's just off the side of the future EB lanes - saw it driving WB this afternoon.

There's also signs covered up just west of the Mann Rd overpass over the EB lanes - wonder what these signs will have on them when revealed.

It's a Travel Time sign with distances to I-65 and I-74. It generally replaces one that had been in a similar location before.
I guessed that for one, but there's 2 covered up ones.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 17, 2023, 12:07:26 AM
Around 10 pm the new I-465 pavement between SR 67 (Kentucky Avenue) and US 31 was successfully opened to eastbound traffic. Crews were able to accomplish the traffic pattern change a day and half earlier than originally scheduled.

Here's a couple of screen shots. Because INDOT has switched to its livestream cameras, the images are lower in resolution.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking slightly northeast toward the I-69 interchange work zone. The new pavement is on the right, with concrete barriers placed to form a median.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's the view looking slightly southeast.

Rain moved through most of Indiana tonight, but good weather is projected for next week. There will be no white Christmas this year in Indy, as the forecast is showing a high of 55 degrees.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on December 17, 2023, 08:20:26 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 17, 2023, 12:07:26 AM

Rain moved through most of Indiana tonight, but good weather is projected for next week. There will be no white Christmas this year in Indy, as the forecast is showing a high of 55 degrees.
That's climate change for you! :D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 17, 2023, 09:44:35 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 16, 2023, 11:19:40 PM

those things are so useful!

Well for the most part they are. Do have to chuckle at the times they posts when traffic is flowing freely, they strictly calculate the speed limit.

But they can help if there is a backup somewhere.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 17, 2023, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 17, 2023, 12:07:26 AM

Rain moved through most of Indiana tonight, but good weather is projected for next week. There will be no white Christmas this year in Indy, as the forecast is showing a high of 55 degrees.

I won't be shedding a tear myself..

But anymore.. it seems to fool you, you get through December and Part of January only to get at least one week long nasty freeze in February.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ibthebigd on December 18, 2023, 05:11:13 AM
That artic air last year around Christmas was crazy. The rest of the winter wasn't bad.

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 19, 2023, 08:34:03 PM
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-18-2023/?fbclid=IwAR20XnyuEb0MsjtII9lLjxOnU2x2znU8eZKTDdl-wPuLVWHuB1dE4gudbVQ

Latest update.

WB lanes get moved to the new pavement Dec. 22

The much Maligned on Facebook orange barrels making the area around 144 single lane will soon be removed. (No one here, but it seems like random people complain about this every post that the 69 Finish Line team makes.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 20, 2023, 02:50:54 AM
Quote from: Moose on December 19, 2023, 08:34:03 PM
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-december-18-2023/?fbclid=IwAR20XnyuEb0MsjtII9lLjxOnU2x2znU8eZKTDdl-wPuLVWHuB1dE4gudbVQ

Latest update.

WB lanes get moved to the new pavement Dec. 22

Although this news didn't particularly surprise me, the speed at which they are pushing forward has been nothing short of impressive. And in mid-December, no less. It's worth mentioning again the westbound traffic shift is necessary to complete the I-69/I-465 interchange, as well as to facilitate the tearing down and rebuilding of the I-465 westbound bridges over the White River and Harmon Ditch. Also, the I-465 westbound bridges over Harding Street, the Indiana Railroad track, and Bluff Road, all must be replaced with new, wider structures as well.

Here's a few screenshots from INDOT traffic cameras. Unfortunately, the quality of the pictures is poor because the INDOT TrafficWise (https://511in.org/@-87.86316,40.03112,7?show=incidents,normalCameras) live stream cameras are currently operating at low resolution. An upgrade to HD is probably in the works, but if and when that might happen is not known.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking east toward the I-69 interchange work zone. In preparation for the westbound traffic shift, material is being compacted for a temporary lane and narrow shoulder. This lane will be topped with asphalt, which should suffice for a year as the new westbound lanes are constructed.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
East of the I-465 bridges over the White River, here again is the unfinished strip which will become the temporary lane.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And the view looking west, showing the ongoing lane work, with the Mann Road overpass in the background. Even though temps are well below ideal for paving, the temporary lane will be topped with asphalt. Because it's temporary, the asphalt doesn't need to compacted to the same extent it would be if permanent. Also, asphalt plants normally shut down for the winter, but for this project, highlighting its importance, one has remained open.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking east from the Mann Road overpass. In the vicinity of the Harmon Ditch bridge (background, little black strip), the westbound lanes will likely transition back to old pavement. It's possible the westbound lanes will be temporarily split crossing over Harmon Ditch, for instance two lanes on the new eastbound bridge, and one on the old bridge.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Earlier from Sunday just after the eastbound lane shift, the view looking east toward the White River bridges. They didn't waste any time to begin the process to shift the westbound lanes — drizzly and cold it was, and on Sunday, no less.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
East of the I-465/Harding Street interchange, asphalt was being placed to facilitate the upcoming westbound traffic shift. Again, because it's asphalt, it's intended to be temporary.

Because of the quality of the screen shots, I was hesitant to post them. But I figure, they are better than nothing.


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on December 20, 2023, 06:52:09 AM
Are there substantial financial benefits to the contractor for early (or earlier) completion?

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 20, 2023, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: JREwing78 on December 20, 2023, 06:52:09 AM
Are there substantial financial benefits to the contractor for early (or earlier) completion?

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Probably not. Although it might seem the project is ahead of schedule, that's probably not the case. More likely they're simply on schedule. Helmed by a joint venture called the Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team (WMDBT), the entire project is expected to be substantially complete by the end of 2024. They have a lot of work to do and not all that much time to do it.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's a zoomed in view looking west toward the I-69 interchange work zone. Is that the location where the westbound lanes will be shifted to the new eastbound pavement? Seems a little unlikely, but it's possible. The westbound changeover is more complex than the recently completed eastbound shift. Exactly how it will all play out is hard to say.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 20, 2023, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 20, 2023, 02:50:54 AM

Also, the I-465 westbound bridges over Harding Street, the Indiana Railroad track, and Bluff Road, all must be replaced with new, wider structures as well.


Ahh I forgot the INRD had requested when INDOT redid things, that a little breathing room would be appreciated.

When that overpass was built, rebuilt, whatever the last time, there was only a single track under there.

Since then, sometime in the early 2000s, INRD added a passing siding there, and it was.. a challenge to shoehorn all that under there. Even with the 465 bridges, it was still the best place to put a siding as there is a gap in the road grid system with Thompson Road not being a through road in that block. This gives them a long section of track they don't have to cut crossings on.

Even still, its uncomfortably tight under that bridge with two tracks. I am sure both the railroad and INDOT will be happy with a little more room under that bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2023, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 20, 2023, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 20, 2023, 02:50:54 AM

Also, the I-465 westbound bridges over Harding Street, the Indiana Railroad track, and Bluff Road, all must be replaced with new, wider structures as well.


Ahh I forgot the INRD had requested when INDOT redid things, that a little breathing room would be appreciated.

When that overpass was built, rebuilt, whatever the last time, there was only a single track under there.

Since then, sometime in the early 2000s, INRD added a passing siding there, and it was.. a challenge to shoehorn all that under there. Even with the 465 bridges, it was still the best place to put a siding as there is a gap in the road grid system with Thompson Road not being a through road in that block. This gives them a long section of track they don't have to cut crossings on.

Even still, its uncomfortably tight under that bridge with two tracks. I am sure both the railroad and INDOT will be happy with a little more room under that bridge.

Interesting factoid. At some point I'll try to take a picture. Lots of fencing up around that area, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 21, 2023, 03:56:08 PM
More pictures. Photos were taken Wednesday, December 20, 2023.

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Zoomed in shot looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass. In the background is the location where the westbound lanes will be transitioned from the new pavement back to old just west of the new eastbound White River bridge. In the mid-foreground, work is underway near the new bridge over Harmon Ditch. Bear in mind, because of the telephoto lens, everything is pulled in closer in the photo. The distance shown is about two miles; take note of the mileage on the Harding Street exit sign.

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Looking west toward I-465, with the Mann Road overpass in the background.

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Different perspective looking east toward I-465 from Thompson Road about a quarter mile east of the Mann Road overpass. Although it appears to be just a path, this section of Thompson Road is an actual public road. There's a handful of houses down there. After the construction on I-465 wraps up, it will likely be paved.

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Signage close up. This sign is also seen in the prior photo.

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Another look east from the Mann Road overpass. In this area, old asphalt has been milled to prepare for the construction of two additional eastbound lanes plus a left shoulder. More than likely this work will take place in the spring.

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Looking north under the new eastbound I-465 bridge over Harmon Ditch, where partial demolition of the old westbound span is underway.

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The view looking west from the Mann Road overpass. Since the signs are covered, the probably indicate the I-69S movement and mileage to.

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Closer look of the new eastbound pavement of I-465; looking east.

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East of the Harmon Ditch work zone, sign structures at the base of eastbound I-465 await placement. Although the White River is about a quarter miles further east, this area is floodplain.

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Long range shot looking east from the Mann Road overpass.

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Different perspective of the demo work underway at the Harmon Ditch work zone; looking north.

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Another look west toward the Mann Road overpass.

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One more zoomed in shot from the Mann Road overpass.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on December 21, 2023, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 21, 2023, 03:56:08 PM
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Zoomed in shot looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass. In the background is the location where the westbound lanes will be transitioned from the new pavement back to old just west of the new eastbound White River bridge. In the mid-foreground, work is underway near the new bridge over Harmon Ditch. Bear in mind, because of the telephoto lens, everything is pulled in closer in the photo. The distance shown is about two miles; take note of the mileage on the Harding Street exit sign.
Quite shocked there's no BGS poles there for Exit 5, as it's now called.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 22, 2023, 09:08:18 AM
There was a major crash this morning on the westbound lanes of I-465 just east of the Harding Street exit.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
All westbound lanes were blocked for upwards of an hour. The view is looking west toward the mainline bridges over Bluff Road.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking east toward the area of the incident.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
At least one semi-truck was involved, which is pictured here getting towed from the scene.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Long range shot looking east toward the incident. Around 9 am the lanes were reopened.

On another matter, last night westbound traffic was shifted to the new eastbound pavement just west of the I-465/Harding Street interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Westbound traffic is transitioned back to old pavement after it has crossed the White River bridge.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 22, 2023, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 21, 2023, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: ITB on December 21, 2023, 03:56:08 PM
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Zoomed in shot looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass. In the background is the location where the westbound lanes will be transitioned from the new pavement back to old just west of the new eastbound White River bridge. In the mid-foreground, work is underway near the new bridge over Harmon Ditch. Bear in mind, because of the telephoto lens, everything is pulled in closer in the photo. The distance shown is about two miles; take note of the mileage on the Harding Street exit sign.
Quite shocked there's no BGS poles there for Exit 5, as it's now called.

There's a foundation for a major sign structure, which could be for an overhead span. I imagine the signs mounted on this overhead will be for Exit 5.

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On the south side of I-465 about a half mile east of the Mann Road overpass.

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Another perspective; looking slightly northeast.

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Although the foundation is not visible, the signs pictured above are.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 22, 2023, 05:15:48 PM

Another INDOT traffic camera screen grab:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking toward the I-69 interchange work zone where westbound I-465 traffic has been shifted to the new eastbound pavement. This traffic pattern will continue through 2024 and will facilitate the completion of the interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: monty on December 22, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
I drove east on I465 on the SW side of Indy this week and missed the SR 37 exit because it was only identified as Harding Street and not SR 37 or I 69. You'd think there'd be some sort of temporary sign up for those of us not that familiar with the area to exit onto a significant highway route. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on December 26, 2023, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: monty on December 22, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
I drove east on I465 on the SW side of Indy this week and missed the SR 37 exit because it was only identified as Harding Street and not SR 37 or I 69. You'd think there'd be some sort of temporary sign up for those of us not that familiar with the area to exit onto a significant highway route.
Pretty sure 90% of locals know it as Harding Street anyway, and not SR 37. But yes, some temporary sign stating "SR 37 exit here" would be nice, even when I-69 is finished considering approval to remove SR 37 has not been even granted yet, let alone applied for.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 26, 2023, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 26, 2023, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: monty on December 22, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
I drove east on I465 on the SW side of Indy this week and missed the SR 37 exit because it was only identified as Harding Street and not SR 37 or I 69. You'd think there'd be some sort of temporary sign up for those of us not that familiar with the area to exit onto a significant highway route.
Pretty sure 90% of locals know it as Harding Street anyway, and not SR 37. But yes, some temporary sign stating "SR 37 exit here" would be nice, even when I-69 is finished considering approval to remove SR 37 has not been even granted yet, let alone applied for.

A lot of the locals tried to avoid that intersection.
Harding IN 37 was always a headache because it was always a dual purpose intersection. Its pretty much -the- truck stop intersection for Indianapolis, and certainly the only one on I-465. The truck traffic at that intersection was a complete headache.

In the days before IN 67 got so built up, it was a good alternative.. you could use it, and flop across IN 39 and honestly be ahead in some aspects, but once so many lights got put on that road, it was a big loss going that way.

Later on you would use Thompson road to access Bluff Road, which emptied out at Wicker Road south of all that mess. Wicker for the longest time didn't have a stop light, but eventually it did. Going this way now isn't that bad really, it puts you on the west side to a road which puts you at the new County Line intersection.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on December 27, 2023, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 26, 2023, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 26, 2023, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: monty on December 22, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
I drove east on I465 on the SW side of Indy this week and missed the SR 37 exit because it was only identified as Harding Street and not SR 37 or I 69. You'd think there'd be some sort of temporary sign up for those of us not that familiar with the area to exit onto a significant highway route.
Pretty sure 90% of locals know it as Harding Street anyway, and not SR 37. But yes, some temporary sign stating "SR 37 exit here" would be nice, even when I-69 is finished considering approval to remove SR 37 has not been even granted yet, let alone applied for.

A lot of the locals tried to avoid that intersection.
Harding IN 37 was always a headache because it was always a dual purpose intersection. Its pretty much -the- truck stop intersection for Indianapolis, and certainly the only one on I-465. The truck traffic at that intersection was a complete headache.

In the days before IN 67 got so built up, it was a good alternative.. you could use it, and flop across IN 39 and honestly be ahead in some aspects, but once so many lights got put on that road, it was a big loss going that way.

Later on you would use Thompson road to access Bluff Road, which emptied out at Wicker Road south of all that mess. Wicker for the longest time didn't have a stop light, but eventually it did. Going this way now isn't that bad really, it puts you on the west side to a road which puts you at the new County Line intersection.

When I'm going to Indy from SW Indiana, many times I'll take Bluff Road (Old IN 37) which deposits me on West St right next to Lucas Oil Stadium and just a few blocks from Gainbridge Field House.  Of course, if I'm wanting to see the progress on I-69 near the loop, I'll take it up there one way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on December 27, 2023, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on December 27, 2023, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 26, 2023, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 26, 2023, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: monty on December 22, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
I drove east on I465 on the SW side of Indy this week and missed the SR 37 exit because it was only identified as Harding Street and not SR 37 or I 69. You'd think there'd be some sort of temporary sign up for those of us not that familiar with the area to exit onto a significant highway route.
Pretty sure 90% of locals know it as Harding Street anyway, and not SR 37. But yes, some temporary sign stating "SR 37 exit here" would be nice, even when I-69 is finished considering approval to remove SR 37 has not been even granted yet, let alone applied for.

A lot of the locals tried to avoid that intersection.
Harding IN 37 was always a headache because it was always a dual purpose intersection. Its pretty much -the- truck stop intersection for Indianapolis, and certainly the only one on I-465. The truck traffic at that intersection was a complete headache.

In the days before IN 67 got so built up, it was a good alternative.. you could use it, and flop across IN 39 and honestly be ahead in some aspects, but once so many lights got put on that road, it was a big loss going that way.

Later on you would use Thompson road to access Bluff Road, which emptied out at Wicker Road south of all that mess. Wicker for the longest time didn't have a stop light, but eventually it did. Going this way now isn't that bad really, it puts you on the west side to a road which puts you at the new County Line intersection.

When I'm going to Indy from SW Indiana, many times I'll take Bluff Road (Old IN 37) which deposits me on West St right next to Lucas Oil Stadium and just a few blocks from Gainbridge Field House.  Of course, if I'm wanting to see the progress on I-69 near the loop, I'll take it up there one way.

Yes that is an excellent shortcut to downtown. Still likely will be.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on December 28, 2023, 11:49:11 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 26, 2023, 11:14:48 PM
In the days before IN 67 got so built up, it was a good alternative.. you could use it, and flop across IN 39 and honestly be ahead in some aspects, but once so many lights got put on that road, it was a big loss going that way.

In the 1960s, that was the best route between Bloomington and Indy:  Dealing with then-two-lane 37 to 39, taking 39 to 67, then 67 to 465.  I don't recall many (if any) lights on 67 between Martinsville and Mooresville in those days.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on December 29, 2023, 07:07:50 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on December 28, 2023, 11:49:11 PM
Quote from: Moose on December 26, 2023, 11:14:48 PM
In the days before IN 67 got so built up, it was a good alternative.. you could use it, and flop across IN 39 and honestly be ahead in some aspects, but once so many lights got put on that road, it was a big loss going that way.

In the 1960s, that was the best route between Bloomington and Indy:  Dealing with then-two-lane 37 to 39, taking 39 to 67, then 67 to 465.  I don't recall many (if any) lights on 67 between Martinsville and Mooresville in those days.
Dang.  When I was a kid in the mid-1970s, my parents would just plow up IN 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on December 31, 2023, 04:00:27 PM

To end the year, here's some pictures of the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone. Photos were taken Saturday, December 30, 2023.

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The flyover that will carry the ramp from I-465W to I-69S; looking northwest. At this time, only half of the bridge has been erected. The other half will be completed in 2024.

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From the future I-69N to I-465E ramp, looking east toward I-465 and the new eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street. The Walsh Construction field office is on the right.

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The view looking looking south toward the Epler Avenue overpass, showing the point where I-69N splits to form the ramps to I-465E and I-465W.

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Medium distance shot showing the point where the ramps from I-465 come together to become I-69 south; looking slightly northwest.

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Underneath the bridge is the ramp from I-465W to I-69S. As can be seen, it's a fairly significant turn.

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Another perspective.

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Zoomed in view looking east toward I-465 and the Harding Street eastbound exit ramp.

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The ramp from I-465E to I-69S.

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Turning around, looking south toward the Epler Avenue overpass.

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Long range shot looking north toward the ramp from I-465W to I-69S. On the right is a sliver of the I-69N ramp to I-465E.

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Closer look of the bridge that will carry the I-69N ramp to I-465W; looking northeast. In the background are the towers of downtown Indianapolis.

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The girders and north MSE abutment for the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northwest. It's possible another pier will have to be built as that a fair distance to stretch girders. If the pier isn't needed, the girders might be placed in March or early April, if not sooner.

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From the ramp that will take I-69N to I-465W, a slightly different perspective.

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The Epler Avenue overpass; looking slightly southeast.

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Closer look, with a partial view of the newly erected Dynamic Message Sign.

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Zoomed in look of the Harding Street Generating Station.

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Another look toward the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 04, 2024, 11:44:35 PM
A few more pictures. Again, the photos were taken Saturday, December 30, 2023.

But first, here again for reference is the schematic of the I-69/I-465 interchange:

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Walsh-Milestone Design Build Team
The perspective is toward the northeast. The long flyover ramp under construction with girders is in the lower left. In the upper right is the Harding Street interchange. And in the bottom center is the bridge where the ramp from I-465W to I-69S crosses under the ramp from I-69N to I-465W. While not depicted, the Epler Avenue overpass is located just a bit further on from the lower right corner.

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The ramps from I-465E to I-69S (left), and from I-69N to I-465W; looking north.

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Longer ranger view; looking north. On the right is I-69N just prior to splitting off into the I-465E and I-465W ramps, while I-69S is, of course, on the left.

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I-69N ramp to I-465E; looking north. The bridge deck finisher is located on the bridge that takes the ramp over the eastbound I-465 exit ramp to Harding Street.

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The flyover for the ramp from I-465W to I-69S; looking northwest. In the mid-foreground is the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street.

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Another look at the I-69N ramp to I-465E near the point it goes over the exit ramp to Harding Street; looking northeast. The water level in the quarry appears to be significantly lower than it was.

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Looking south toward the Epler Avenue overpass.

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Looking north from the point where the I-69N ramp to I-465W begins to go over the ramp from I-465E to I-69S. What it looks like from below can be seen in the prior photo set posted above.

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The ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking south toward the Epler overpass. Note how the concrete pavement has been grooved.

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Closer look of the I-465W to I-69S flyover ramp which is being constructed with precast concrete beams.

In a bit of news, there's been a traffic shift about a half mile east of the Harding Street interchange. Eastbound traffic is now running on the new pavement of the future westbound lanes just east of the mainline bridges over Bluff Road. This will allow for the demolition and rebuilding of the eastbound I-465 bridge over S. Meridian Street. And about a mile to the west, demolition of the old westbound I-465 bridge over the White River should be getting underway soon, if it hasn't already.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 05, 2024, 12:33:41 AM

BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove through the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone yesterday. Of note, he took the new eastbound exit to Harding Street to get coffee at the Flying J on Thompson Road. Continuing east on I-465, he goes through the new traffic shift where eastbound traffic has been placed on the future westbound lanes east of the bridges over Bluff Road. The pertinent section of the video begins approximately at the 5 minute mark.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sturmde on January 05, 2024, 12:42:19 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on December 26, 2023, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: monty on December 22, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
I drove east on I465 on the SW side of Indy this week and missed the SR 37 exit because it was only identified as Harding Street and not SR 37 or I 69. You'd think there'd be some sort of temporary sign up for those of us not that familiar with the area to exit onto a significant highway route.
Pretty sure 90% of locals know it as Harding Street anyway, and not SR 37. But yes, some temporary sign stating "SR 37 exit here" would be nice, even when I-69 is finished considering approval to remove SR 37 has not been even granted yet, let alone applied for.

Ummm, Indiana's INDOT doesn't have to apply for approval from AASHTO's SCOURN because it's not a US route, nor an Interstate Routes.  State Route designations are completely within the domain of the DOT.  But I agree, a TO 69 and TO SR 37 sign should be provided by the contractor(s) until the project is complete and given over to INDOT...
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on January 05, 2024, 12:57:25 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 05, 2024, 12:33:41 AM

BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove through the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone yesterday. Of note, he took the new eastbound exit to Harding Street to get coffee at the Flying J on Thompson Road. Continuing east on I-465, he goes through the new traffic shift where eastbound traffic has been placed on the future westbound lanes east of the bridges over Bluff Road. The pertinent section of the video begins approximately at the 5 minute mark.


I watched the drive to the west side 70EB Rest Area outside Indy last night, and picked up today's journey just west of Columbus OH, then around on 270 up to 71 and onto his destination in suburban Cleveland. Missed this morning around Indy live, tho
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: SSR_317 on January 05, 2024, 03:49:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on January 05, 2024, 12:33:41 AM

BigRigSteve of BigRigTravels (https://bigrigtravels.com/) drove through the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone yesterday. Of note, he took the new eastbound exit to Harding Street to get coffee at the Flying J on Thompson Road. Continuing east on I-465, he goes through the new traffic shift where eastbound traffic has been placed on the future westbound lanes east of the bridges over Bluff Road. The pertinent section of the video begins approximately at the 5 minute mark.


Hope Steve is feeling better today, that cough sounded quite nasty. Safe travels, my friend!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 08, 2024, 12:03:37 PM

Trio of screen grabs from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view looking east from near the Mann Road overpass. In the background, the old westbound bridge over the White River is being taken down in preparation to the construction of a new, replacement bridge.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
West of the I-465/Harding Street interchange work is underway to build new and wider bridges that will carry I-465W over Bluff Road (foreground) and the INRR tracks (background, but not quite visible due to the sign).

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Slightly longer range shot from the Mann Road camera showing the partially constructed I-69N to I-465W flyover (background).

Weather wise, the cold days of winter have finally arrived in central Indiana. No major storms as yet, but temps are forecast to drop well below normal next week with some snow expected. Be that as it may, it's only 20 days before the average temps in Indianapolis begin to slowly tick up. And with March only 52 days away, the construction season of 2024 is fast approaching.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 12:20:53 PM
You mean 20 days until we arrive in the deep, dark, depressing frozen tundra of February? :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 08, 2024, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 12:20:53 PM
You mean 20 days until we arrive in the deep, dark, depressing frozen tundra of February? :-D

I guess the key word of the phrase used is slowly. Indeed, despite Valentine's Day, February isn't a month beloved by many. In any event, though bitter cold and nasty storms are not unusual, the temps are slowly ticking up. Per Wunderground's January (https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/us/in/indianapolis/KIND/date/2024-1) and February calendars for Indianapolis:

Average temperatures:

January 26 — 36° / 20°
January 27 — 36° / 21°
January 28 — 37° / 21°

February 3 — 38° / 21°
February 4 — 38° / 22°
February 7 — 39° / 22°
February 9 — 39° / 23°
February 11 — 40° / 23°


Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Well, those numbers are promising. I'll remind myself of that when Indiana decides to have a random cold spell.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on January 08, 2024, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Well, those numbers are promising. I'll remind myself of that when Indiana decides to have a random cold spell.
That's coming in this weekend, looks like temperatures are forecast to drop almost below zero, so I'm sure they're going to take this next 2 days or so to get what they need done before the cold hits. Looks like it's going to remain super cold into February.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Sapphuby on January 08, 2024, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Well, those numbers are promising. I'll remind myself of that when Indiana decides to have a random cold spell.

Be wary of next week, over here we're getting negative lows, so I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be much better over there.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on January 08, 2024, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Well, those numbers are promising. I'll remind myself of that when Indiana decides to have a random cold spell.

Be wary of next week, over here we're getting negative lows, so I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be much better over there.


Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on January 09, 2024, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)

that sounds fun. I got a wastewater treatment plant for mine. not very interesting at all.  :-D what are they making you do? propose a widening solution other than what they went with?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: IndyAgent on January 09, 2024, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: Sapphuby on January 08, 2024, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on January 08, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Well, those numbers are promising. I'll remind myself of that when Indiana decides to have a random cold spell.

Be wary of next week, over here we're getting negative lows, so I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be much better over there.


Pixel 7

I just hope everyone stays safe on the roads especially when crews are working. Stay warm and safe 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 09, 2024, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)

that sounds fun. I got a wastewater treatment plant for mine. not very interesting at all.  :-D what are they making you do? propose a widening solution other than what they went with?

Basically traffic impact, detour routes & MOT signage, cost estimate, construction sequencing, pavement design, permitting, and some other things. It's everything except developing a billable set of plans. The PMs will be coming in at some point to speak to our class about the project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on January 10, 2024, 06:23:53 AM
I am jealous.  Our senior design project was nowhere near as interesting as the I-69 finish line.  It was a parking lot and site entrance somewhere in West Lafayette.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 10, 2024, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)
There you go! Rack up some practical experience toward your PE license while fulfilling a requirement for your civil engineering degree.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on January 10, 2024, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)
*INDOT/Consultant takes class' work*

INDOT PE: I'm not stamping this.

:D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 10, 2024, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 10, 2024, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)
*INDOT/Consultant takes class' work*

INDOT PE: I'm not stamping this.

:D

"Who replaced the I-69/465 interchange with a roundabout?"
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on January 10, 2024, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on January 10, 2024, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 10, 2024, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: I-55 on January 09, 2024, 09:37:05 AM
Fun note: I-69 Finish Line is being used for Purdue's civil engineering senior design project. Personally, my stretch entails I-65 to East Street (US 31)
*INDOT/Consultant takes class' work*

INDOT PE: I'm not stamping this.

:D

"Who replaced the I-69/465 interchange with a roundabout?"

This isn't an English Motorway thankfully...

I think were about to get a week long ish nasty cold snap.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 12, 2024, 02:35:53 AM

Here's a screen grab from the On Track Project Update (https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-january-8-2024/) of January 8:

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On Track Project Update, I-69 Finish Line
On the south side of Indianapolis, looking west toward the I-465 bridges over S. Meridian Street. As can be seen, eastbound traffic has been shifted to new pavement and then brought across S. Meridian Street. With the lane shift accomplished, the old eastbound bridge over S. Meridian will be taken down and replaced with a new, wider bridge. After that project completes, eastbound traffic will be shifted back and work will then commence on completing the westbound bridge. In the foreground, work is underway on the new westbound bridge over Lick Creek. The I-69 interchange work zone is in the upper left but is not quite visible.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Just east of the I-465 bridges over Bluff Road is where eastbound traffic is transitioned to the new pavement. This pavement will eventually become the inner shoulder and the two left lanes of the future westbound roadway. Moving quickly, crews are milling and removing the pavement of the former eastbound lanes. When those new lanes complete, eastbound traffic will be shifted onto them and westbound traffic will be moved to the new pavement where eastbound traffic currently runs, allowing construction to proceed and complete the westbound lanes. Bear in mind, the poor quality of the image is due to the low resolution of INDOT's live streaming cameras (https://511in.org/@-86.15606,39.69194,14?show=incidents,normalCameras,plowCameras). The live steaming is great; I just wish the resolution was higher.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking toward the girders of the partially built flyover that will carry I-69N traffic to I-465W. It appears the plan is to stretch girders to the north abutment without the construction of an additional pier. To do that, a concrete pad will first have to be built as a base for the framework that will be used to temporarily support the next set of girders. The work to build the pad may be underway now. In the background, a pile driving rig is positioned for the construction of another pier for the I-465W to I-69S flyover.

For those of you who are wondering why certain I-465 projects are included in the I-69 extension topic there's a very simple explanation. All the work currently underway on I-465 on the south side of Indianapolis, including the new I-69 interchange, plus other work just to the south to upgrade SR 37 to I-69, is covered under one very large contract, termed Contract #5 of Section 6 (https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/I69_Section6/i69sec6DBBV.htm).

As we've been talking about, bitter cold weather is forecast to arrive early next week in central Indiana. Construction work, I imagine, will completely cease for a number of days. When work resumes, whenever that might be, the ground will be frozen solid, probably upwards of three feet deep. The frost line for Marion County is 54 inches. I'm not sure how much impact that will have on work as it moves forward in the weeks ahead. In regards to crew members, well, they want to work because for many no work means no paycheck. Winters in central Indiana tend to wax and wane. There are periods — a few days or a week or so — when it gets cold, sometimes very, very cold, but then temperatures tend to return to normal or slightly above. Rarely do bitter cold temperatures stick around for long stretches.

Most of us are fortunate to be well protected from the elements, but there is a sizeable number in Indiana and, of course, elsewhere, who are less so, for example those living in mobile homes, which tend to have only modest amounts of insulation. It's important to keep them in mind. Sometimes people need help, all the more so when cold weather hits and punches hard. Personally, I enjoy having four seasons to experience, but this fondness does not extend to bitter cold which is hard on everyone as well as vehicles and machines. Almost everyone who has to keep a vehicle outside dreads the slow cranks of mornings. To wrap up on a more positive note, we're on the verge of gaining 10 or more minutes of daylight each week now. And March is only 48 days away. Before we know it, a hint of spring will be in the air. But first ... brrr!

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KelleyCook on January 16, 2024, 12:30:23 PM
I-69 Finish Line 2023 accomplishment video
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 16, 2024, 01:55:12 PM
Although temperatures were in the single digits, a few crews were back to work after the three day holiday weekend.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view from the Mann Road camera; looking east. In the background, the deck of the I-465 westbound bridge over the White River has been removed. At the time the screen shot was grabbed, the temperature reported at Indianapolis International Airport was 9° F.




Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on January 17, 2024, 08:26:05 AM
Quote from: ITB on January 16, 2024, 01:55:12 PM
Although temperatures were in the single digits, a few crews were back to work after the three day holiday weekend.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view from the Mann Road camera; looking east. In the background, the deck of the I-465 westbound bridge over the White River has been removed. At the time the screen shot was grabbed, the temperature reported at Indianapolis International Airport was 9° F.
They can do demo work and maybe some earthwork, but 9° F is way too cold to pour concrete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on January 17, 2024, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 17, 2024, 08:26:05 AM
They can do demo work and maybe some earthwork, but 9° F is way too cold to pour concrete.
It can be done, but at additional cost. Heat the water and/or the aggregates at the plant, pre-heat any frozen surface that will contact the pour, provide insulated cover for curing period, heated forms, etc. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on January 19, 2024, 09:46:25 AM
Last night and this morning a winter weather event passed through central Indiana bringing accumulating snow. The area south of Indianapolis saw school closures in several counties. They used to call these "snow days," but now term them, ahem!, eLearning days.

Here's some screenshots of I-69 from INDOT traffic cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The Henderson Ford Road/I-69 interchange in Morgan County; looking east.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking southwest toward the mainline bridges over Stotts Creek about a mile north of the Henderson Ford Road interchange. In this area, the northbound lanes are currently narrowed down to one due to work to fix an embankment issue near the northbound bridge over Crooked Creek. The work, which has been ongoing for a few months, is not due to the recent winter weather.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In Martinsville, a southwest view from the Ohio Street interchange. That exit ramp looks a little slippery, or as they like to say on the news, "slick, snow covered, and hazardous."

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INDOT Traffic Camera
To the north in southern Marion County, looking north from near the Southport Road interchange. Underneath that white blanket of snow are the future southbound lanes of I-69.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And here's the view looking south toward the Southport Road interchange. On the right is S. Belmont Avenue.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In Johnson County, the Smith Valley Road overpass and interchange.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, the view looking southeast from near the Smith Valley interchange. That's a strange looking vehicle on the southbound lanes, whatever it is. No, not the pickup truck.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In Indianapolis, a mid-range zoomed in view of I-465 from the Mann Road camera.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And to the east on I-465, the view looking east from near the mainline bridges over Bluff Road.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Back in Johnson County, looking south toward the former and now sealed off SR 37/Fairview Road intersection.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
The County Line Road/I-69 interchange on the border between Johnson and Marion counties.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
And further south, in Morgan County, looking north from near the Teeters Road overpass.

It's going to get cold again this weekend with overnight temperatures dropping in the low single digits (F°). Nothing particularly unusual for this time of year, although these bitter cold snaps don't happen every year. Beginning next Monday, temps are expected to rebound to the low and mid-40s for most of the week. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 04, 2024, 12:46:06 AM
Thread has gone quiet.

Smith Valley road is completely finished.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=894799815979375&set=pcb.894965755962781

And Demo work continues on the 465 portion.

Weather is just getting back nice enough to start kicking up construction full steam again.
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-january-29-2024/?fbclid=IwAR0NweKkpn3y-gFRE0PNTKF43tx6seIhbZ0GOywZoK-xG1RzJuWk6x0BzRU
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 04, 2024, 02:33:40 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 04, 2024, 12:46:06 AM
Thread has gone quiet.

Smith Valley road is completely finished.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=894799815979375&set=pcb.894965755962781

And Demo work continues on the 465 portion.

Weather is just getting back nice enough to start kicking up construction full steam again.
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-january-29-2024/?fbclid=IwAR0NweKkpn3y-gFRE0PNTKF43tx6seIhbZ0GOywZoK-xG1RzJuWk6x0BzRU

Went through the area on Friday (and will again this coming Thursday).  Although there still are a few small areas of construction along the way, Everything is really focused on the last five or six miles.  I'm noticing roadways done that weren't open very recently.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 04, 2024, 07:59:09 PM
Here's a trio of screen grabs from recent issues of the On Track Project Update newsletter:

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I-69 Finish Line, On Track Project Update
Aerial shot of the I-69/I-465 interchange work zone; looking west. This is from mid-December just after the westbound traffic shift to the new pavement of the eastbound lanes. It's going to take several months to complete the flyovers and their respective ramps, but we'll likely see the placement of girders and beams in the not too distant future, probably sometime between March and May.

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I-69 Finish Line, On Track Project Update
To the east, the view of I-465 and the recently demolished bridge over S. Meridian Street. A new, wider eastbound bridge will now be constructed over S. Meridian. After that completes, eastbound traffic will be shifted back, and construction will then commence on the second phase of the westbound bridge. In the background, work is underway on the first phase of the new, wider westbound bridge over Lick Creek.

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I-69 Finish Line, On Track Project Update
Early morning shot of the recently completed SR 144 interchange in Johnson County; looking east.

The weather of late has been very good. A little wet, but temperatures have been well above average. The ground is no longer frozen, and unless another deep freeze sweeps over central Indiana in the next couple of weeks, it will stay that way. The long range forecast is projecting average to above average temperatures, so the window for another blast of winter is rapidly closing. Although bitter cold is unusual for early March, the weather can be fickle, swinging between cold days with snow and ice to very warm spring-like temperatures. At this time, it looks like it's trending toward seasonal or warmer temperatures, but that can change.

One of my fond memories when younger was waking unexpectedly to find five inches on the ground on a morning in mid-March. Eagerly I awaited the announcement whether the schools would be closed. And, yes!, prayers answered. You see I had a test that day, and I was a wee bit, hmm, let's say unprepared. Anyway, with the good weather, construction has been ramping up. If it holds, it will allow crews to kick start the busy months ahead.

Couple of screen grabs from INDOT live stream cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view looking east from near the Mann Road overpass. In the background left, the deck has been removed from the westbound bridge over the White River. Next step, the removal of the beams and piers.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Two nights ago a trio of excavators was in operation at the I-69 interchange work zone. The work continued well into the wee hours. Apparently, they wanted to get done what they wanted to get done.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 05, 2024, 02:19:03 PM
And just as I went to look, a planned list of projects.

https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-february-5-2024/?fbclid=IwAR1JU3p2mKaZ-YyySqG_YmOGugkMQABmq2eU_9ulFcjLf2seBzwvmzCqX_M

Bridge Beam setting at Harmond Ditch and Bluff Road
More demo work on the bridge at White River, and a wall near Mann Road.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 05, 2024, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 04, 2024, 07:59:09 PM
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I-69 Finish Line, On Track Project Update
Early morning shot of the recently completed SR 144 interchange in Johnson County; looking east.

Wow.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 06, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 05, 2024, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 04, 2024, 07:59:09 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53509480828_228eab5a3b_k.jpg)
I-69 Finish Line, On Track Project Update
Early morning shot of the recently completed SR 144 interchange in Johnson County; looking east.

Wow.

Indeed, a very nice photo. On a more sobering note, the picture depicts what I believe to be a road hazard. It's that small hump on CR 144, which can be seen just above the BGS. The hump partially obscures oncoming traffic to drivers who are intending to turn left from CR 144 to Bluff Creek Pkwy., the new frontage road. To me, this is a serious hazard as westbound CR 144 traffic is often traveling at considerable speed. All the more so for drivers in low profile vehicles who cannot see clearly over the hump. I feel it's only a matter of time before there's a terrible incident.

Drivers who regularly travel the area, I imagine, are quite aware they need to take care, but I wonder whether it should be officially reported to INDOT. At this same time, I question if I'm overreacting, conflating what some might consider a minor issue into something more. Should INDOT be notified about this issue?

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on February 06, 2024, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 06, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
Should INDOT be notified about this issue?

I don't think it would hurt. Maybe some pictures could be included from a driver's perspective at that intersection that show the issue more clearly. Would at least make INDOT aware of a potential problem. Maybe, at the very least, the speed limit could be reduced in that area.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on February 06, 2024, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on February 06, 2024, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 06, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
Should INDOT be notified about this issue?

I don't think it would hurt. Maybe some pictures could be included from a driver's perspective at that intersection that show the issue more clearly. Would at least make INDOT aware of a potential problem. Maybe, at the very least, the speed limit could be reduced in that area.
I don't think they do, I quite regularly turn left there and have zero problem seeing past that hump. It looks like it's pretty high from a distance, but in reality it's not that significant.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 06, 2024, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 06, 2024, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: bmeiser on February 06, 2024, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 06, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
Should INDOT be notified about this issue?

I don't think it would hurt. Maybe some pictures could be included from a driver's perspective at that intersection that show the issue more clearly. Would at least make INDOT aware of a potential problem. Maybe, at the very least, the speed limit could be reduced in that area.
I don't think they do, I quite regularly turn left there and have zero problem seeing past that hump. It looks like it's pretty high from a distance, but in reality it's not that significant.

I, too, have used the left turn, not often, but enough times for it to concern me. And I should add I'm sitting up pretty high in the vehicle. Yes, one can see the road beyond over the hump, at least I could, but that's not the problem. The real issue is the little dip just behind the hump where vehicles, particularly those which are low profile, nearly disappear from view. If you're not paying attention, a vehicle can zip over that hump and be right there before you know it. How do I know? Well, let's say, personal experience. Bear in mind, some drivers along that stretch are zipping along at a pretty good clip, with some going 40 plus.

As I mentioned in my initial post, I'm on the fence whether this should be reported or not. I also tend to think INDOT is already aware of the situation. What I'll do first, as was suggested, is to take some pictures from the standpoint of a driver. Moreover, as was noted previously, it wouldn't hurt to notify. Is the intersection dangerous? No. But it's a concern, at least to me. I'd feel more comfortable if an INDOT engineer took a look. Maybe the intersection and the little hump will be deemed okay and we'll move on, but that may not be the case.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 07, 2024, 08:31:14 AM
 :hmmm: perhaps this is a sight distance issue?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on February 08, 2024, 12:32:12 AM
Any clue on when I-69 will be extended up to Smith Valley? I know when they opened the interchange on Nov 17th, 2023 they said it'd be early 2024, so I imagine it cannot be far off, if not by the end of this month.

When that ends up happening, 7 miles to go, and I expect up to Co Line will not be far off either, given it's practically done in the vicinity of the Co Line interchange.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 08, 2024, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 08, 2024, 12:32:12 AM
Any clue on when I-69 will be extended up to Smith Valley? I know when they opened the interchange on Nov 17th, 2023 they said it'd be early 2024, so I imagine it cannot be far off, if not by the end of this month.

When that ends up happening, 7 miles to go, and I expect up to Co Line will not be far off either, given it's practically done in the vicinity of the Co Line interchange.

I don't see why it can't start at southport road at this point.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 09, 2024, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 08, 2024, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 08, 2024, 12:32:12 AM
Any clue on when I-69 will be extended up to Smith Valley? I know when they opened the interchange on Nov 17th, 2023 they said it'd be early 2024, so I imagine it cannot be far off, if not by the end of this month.

When that ends up happening, 7 miles to go, and I expect up to Co Line will not be far off either, given it's practically done in the vicinity of the Co Line interchange.

I don't see why it can't start at southport road at this point.
It's a matter of getting the FHWA and AASHTO to sign off on the paperwork to extend the I-69 designation.  FHWA can do that at any time, but AASHTO only meets twice a year, so any chance of AASHTO approving the extension will be at their Spring Meeting in May, at the earliest.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: vdeane on February 09, 2024, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 09, 2024, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 08, 2024, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 08, 2024, 12:32:12 AM
Any clue on when I-69 will be extended up to Smith Valley? I know when they opened the interchange on Nov 17th, 2023 they said it'd be early 2024, so I imagine it cannot be far off, if not by the end of this month.

When that ends up happening, 7 miles to go, and I expect up to Co Line will not be far off either, given it's practically done in the vicinity of the Co Line interchange.

I don't see why it can't start at southport road at this point.
It's a matter of getting the FHWA and AASHTO to sign off on the paperwork to extend the I-69 designation.  FHWA can do that at any time, but AASHTO only meets twice a year, so any chance of AASHTO approving the extension will be at their Spring Meeting in May, at the earliest.
At this point, may as well wait until the project is completed and do it all at once.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 12, 2024, 03:51:36 PM
Sunday's warm, sunny weather motivated me to make another trip to the construction zone in Indianapolis. With the above average temperatures of late, it appears good construction progress has been made the past couple of weeks. Still a bit too early to say bye-bye to winter. However, the ground won't be freezing up again, a big plus for the contractors. Seasonal to above average temperatures are also projected through the end of the month. The average high temperature in Indy is now 40°.

To the pictures. Photos were taken Sunday, February 11, 2024.

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On the southwest side of Indianapolis, looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass. As can be seen, the eastbound roadway is not yet complete. Two additional lanes, plus a left shoulder, are still to be constructed. In the upcoming months, future westbound lanes also will be carved from and built in the median. When all of this completes, westbound traffic will then be temporarily shifted to the new pavement to facilitate the reconstruction of the current westbound roadway.

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Zoomed in view. Last week, another set of precast beams were placed for the bridge over Harmon Ditch (center). Working double shifts, crews have now put in the deck rebar. For bridge construction, this is moving at lightning speed.

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Wham! Near the Mann Road eastbound entrance ramp to I-465; looking north. It did it's job, crumpling, as designed. There doesn't appear to be any rush to fix it, as it's been there for more than a month.

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The view looking west from the Mann Road overpass.

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Another view looking east toward I-465, this time from Thompson Road, with the partially constructed I-69N to I-465W flyover in the background.

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Long range view looking east from the Mann Road overpass.

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Signage near the Mann Road eastbound entrance ramp to I-465; looking northeast.

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Another view from Thompson Road near the Mann Road overpass and partial interchange; looking east.

More photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 12, 2024, 06:36:05 PM
Another set. Again, photos were taken Sunday, February 11, 2024.

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On the south side of Indianapolis, the future flyover that will carry I-69N traffic to I-465W; looking northwest. The recent warm weather has allowed crews to begin construction of the flyover's second hammerhead pier. Pictured is the pier's base, wrapped in orange protective sheeting. Next step, constructing the hammerhead cap, which should begin either this week or next.

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The north abutment of the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northwest. It looks to be about ready for girder placement, but before that can happen, the second pier must complete.

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The view looking northwest toward I-465 from near the south abutment of the flyover. Visible in the deep background is the Mann Road overpass (better seen when the photo is expanded).

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Turning around, the flyover that will carry traffic from westbound I-465 to I-69S; looking northeast. As seen, construction of the north abutment is now well underway. On the right is the exit ramp from eastbound I-465 to Harding Street.

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Closer look. Note the falsework frames attached to the precast beams.

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The girders of the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northeast. The photo doesn't do justice to how big they truly are. Big, baby, big!

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The flyover from another vantage point; looking northwest.

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And the view turning around south toward the Epler Avenue overpass. On the right is the future ramp from I-465E to I-69S.

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Another view of the girders; looking north.

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Closer look.

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Different view of the ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking southeast. The Epler Avenue overpass is in the background.

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Another view looking northeast toward the I-465W to I-69S flyover. Despite the sun's intense reflection on the orange barrels, I snapped it anyway.

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Close up of girder atop its bearing.

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Another shot of the flyover as the sun dips behind an embankment of clouds; looking northwest.

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Side view depicting how far the girders must stretch to reach, first, the second hammerhead pier, and, second, the north abutment; looking north.

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And, finally, with the sun behind the clouds and evening soon-to-be, another look northwest.

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One more.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on February 13, 2024, 02:42:50 PM
The only reference of SR 37 along I-69/SR 37 itself north of Martinsville has been removed.

SR 37 markers at Exit 145 (Henderson Ford Rd) are gone. I don't know if there's now any reference of SR 37 existing now north of Martinsville. (besides along 465)
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KelleyCook on February 13, 2024, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 13, 2024, 02:42:50 PM
I don't know if there's now any reference of SR 37 existing now north of Martinsville. (besides along 465)

Right, and on I-465, the SR-37 shield is notably absent from the new Exit 4 Harding Street sign.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good. 
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on February 13, 2024, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good.

IN 37 should end where it meets I-69 on the south side of Bloomington, and pick up again for the few miles that it currently exists between I-469 in Ft. Wayne and the Ohio state line where it becomes OH 2.  Is this the plan?  No need for 37 to to be co-signed 69 between Bloomington and Ft. Wayne.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on February 13, 2024, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good.

IN 37 should end where it meets I-69 on the south side of Bloomington, and pick up again for the few miles that it currently exists between I-469 in Ft. Wayne and the Ohio state line where it becomes OH 2.  Is this the plan?  No need for 37 to to be co-signed 69 between Bloomington and Ft. Wayne.

The segment from I-69 to IN 9 would still be needed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: I-55 on February 14, 2024, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on February 13, 2024, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good.

IN 37 should end where it meets I-69 on the south side of Bloomington, and pick up again for the few miles that it currently exists between I-469 in Ft. Wayne and the Ohio state line where it becomes OH 2.  Is this the plan?  No need for 37 to to be co-signed 69 between Bloomington and Ft. Wayne.

The segment from I-69 to IN 9 would still be needed.

The other argument would be to renumber the Allen County SR 37 as it is 60 miles from the northern end of the middle segment and only travels 14 miles to the state line.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: I-55 on February 14, 2024, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on February 13, 2024, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good.

IN 37 should end where it meets I-69 on the south side of Bloomington, and pick up again for the few miles that it currently exists between I-469 in Ft. Wayne and the Ohio state line where it becomes OH 2.  Is this the plan?  No need for 37 to to be co-signed 69 between Bloomington and Ft. Wayne.

The segment from I-69 to IN 9 would still be needed.

The other argument would be to renumber the Allen County SR 37 as it is 60 miles from the northern end of the middle segment and only travels 14 miles to the state line.

There are other state routes with three discontinuous segments and INDOT does not tend to renumber highways so I expect all segments of IN 37 to remain IN 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 14, 2024, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 09, 2024, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 09, 2024, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 08, 2024, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 08, 2024, 12:32:12 AM
Any clue on when I-69 will be extended up to Smith Valley? I know when they opened the interchange on Nov 17th, 2023 they said it'd be early 2024, so I imagine it cannot be far off, if not by the end of this month.

When that ends up happening, 7 miles to go, and I expect up to Co Line will not be far off either, given it's practically done in the vicinity of the Co Line interchange.

I don't see why it can't start at southport road at this point.
It's a matter of getting the FHWA and AASHTO to sign off on the paperwork to extend the I-69 designation.  FHWA can do that at any time, but AASHTO only meets twice a year, so any chance of AASHTO approving the extension will be at their Spring Meeting in May, at the earliest.
At this point, may as well wait until the project is completed and do it all at once.

They stated on Facebook in a response that formal designation of the rest of the highway will wait until completion of the whole project.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 11:16:13 AM


Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: I-55 on February 14, 2024, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on February 13, 2024, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good.

IN 37 should end where it meets I-69 on the south side of Bloomington, and pick up again for the few miles that it currently exists between I-469 in Ft. Wayne and the Ohio state line where it becomes OH 2.  Is this the plan?  No need for 37 to to be co-signed 69 between Bloomington and Ft. Wayne.

The segment from I-69 to IN 9 would still be needed.

The other argument would be to renumber the Allen County SR 37 as it is 60 miles from the northern end of the middle segment and only travels 14 miles to the state line.

There are other state routes with three discontinuous segments and INDOT does not tend to renumber highways so I expect all segments of IN 37 to remain IN 37.

The first part of your statement does not seem congruent with the latter.  INDOT is infamous for de-designating routes, so, given the precedent, I don't see why they wouldn't chunk up IN 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 11:16:13 AM


Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: I-55 on February 14, 2024, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 14, 2024, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on February 13, 2024, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 13, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
that's because SR 37 will no longer exist between the splits with 69. When 69 is complete 37 will disappear where it overlaps 465 and 69 for good.

IN 37 should end where it meets I-69 on the south side of Bloomington, and pick up again for the few miles that it currently exists between I-469 in Ft. Wayne and the Ohio state line where it becomes OH 2.  Is this the plan?  No need for 37 to to be co-signed 69 between Bloomington and Ft. Wayne.

The segment from I-69 to IN 9 would still be needed.

The other argument would be to renumber the Allen County SR 37 as it is 60 miles from the northern end of the middle segment and only travels 14 miles to the state line.

There are other state routes with three discontinuous segments and INDOT does not tend to renumber highways so I expect all segments of IN 37 to remain IN 37.

The first part of your statement does not seem congruent with the latter.  INDOT is infamous for de-designating routes, so, given the precedent, I don't see why they wouldn't chunk up IN 37.

My last statement wasn't clear. I expect all segments not getting de-designated to remain IN 37 (as opposed to being renumbered).
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
The tiny segment left from Epler Ave to 465 will become an unsigned state owned road.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:52 PM
Youtube video drop.  :poke:

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rick Powell on February 14, 2024, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:52 PM
Youtube video drop.  :poke:



0:58 of the video - I guess this answers the question of I-69 designation. All as one piece from SR 144 to I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: abqtraveler on February 14, 2024, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 14, 2024, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 09, 2024, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 09, 2024, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 08, 2024, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on February 08, 2024, 12:32:12 AM
Any clue on when I-69 will be extended up to Smith Valley? I know when they opened the interchange on Nov 17th, 2023 they said it'd be early 2024, so I imagine it cannot be far off, if not by the end of this month.

When that ends up happening, 7 miles to go, and I expect up to Co Line will not be far off either, given it's practically done in the vicinity of the Co Line interchange.

I don't see why it can't start at southport road at this point.
It's a matter of getting the FHWA and AASHTO to sign off on the paperwork to extend the I-69 designation.  FHWA can do that at any time, but AASHTO only meets twice a year, so any chance of AASHTO approving the extension will be at their Spring Meeting in May, at the earliest.
At this point, may as well wait until the project is completed and do it all at once.

They stated on Facebook in a response that formal designation of the rest of the highway will wait until completion of the whole project.
If it's all supposed to be finished by the end of this year, it would make sense to wait until it's all done to extend the I-69 designation up to I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 15, 2024, 07:16:52 PM
37 in fishers is staying put. I have heard that they are continuing the freeway up to SR 32/38 eventually too. so there will be 3 pieces of 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 16, 2024, 02:39:47 AM
Here's a selection of screen grabs from the video posted above:

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I-69 Finish Line
The I-69/I-465 system interchange; looking southeast. Note the second hammerhead pier under construction for the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

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I-69 Finish Line
And the view of the interchange looking north. Interestingly, the drone footage captured a concrete pumper truck at work, assisting with the pour of the pier's column base (upper left).

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I-69 Finish Line
Nearing completion, the north abutment of the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northwest.

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I-69 Finish Line
The I-465/Harding Street—SR 37 interchange; looking northeast.

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I-69 Finish Line
The demolition of the westbound I-465 bridge over the White River; looking slightly southeast. It will take most of 2024 to build the new replacement span.

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I-69 Finish Line
Closer look.

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I-69 Finish Line
To the south, the I-69/Southport Road interchange; looking north. The northbound exit ramp to Southport was recently completed and opened.

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I-69 Finish Line
Just north of Southport Road, a closer view of the work zone. Even though the southbound bridge over Banta Road still has a deck finisher in place, the pour was completed in December. There's not all the much work to do here before paving will get underway.

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I-69 Finish Line
The view in the other direction; looking south. The pavement bracketed by the orange barrels is the southbound entrance ramp from Southport Road. It looks like the ramp will be shifted to the pavement just to the left, after which this section of road will be rebuilt. It's a short section, only about a 1/2 mile, so they should knock it out in short order.

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I-69 Finish Line
Long range view looking north showing the point where the new alignment of I-69 diverges from SR 37. Just beyond, center-left, is the Epler Avenue overpass and partial interchange.

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I-69 Finish Line
Beautiful night shot looking east toward I-465 and the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street (right).

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I-69 Finish Line
Another long range shot, this time looking west toward I-465 and the White River bridges. In the background is the Mann Road overpass and partial interchange, and further back right, the control tower of Indianapolis International Airport.

For reference, here's the video again:

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on February 26, 2024, 09:39:34 AM

Decided to head up to Indianapolis for another look-see. Photos were taken Sunday, February 25, 2024.

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The future I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northwest. Preparations are underway to place the next sets of girders. The scaffolding, which will temporarily support the first set of girders, is nearly complete. Behind, the second hammerhead pier has received it concrete cap pour. The forms should be removed sometime this week. It's possible girder placement will begin this week, but next week is more likely.

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Zoomed in look.

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Two sets of girders, five per set, are now on site. Another set or two may be forthcoming.

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Looking south toward the Epler Avenue overpass and the gore point where the future southbound I-69 ramps from I-465 join to form I-69 south.

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The Manitowoc 2250 Lattice-Boom Crawler Crane that will be used to lift the girders. There's a second Manitowoc crane on site, probably another 2250, but I couldn't see the model number to confirm. Although only one crane might be used to place the girders, there's a good chance both cranes will be utilized.

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The future I-465W to I-69S flyover and north abutment; looking slightly northeast. There's been a lot of advances in construction over the years, but walls under construction are still often braced with wood and timber, as they were 1000 years ago.

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Long range view looking east toward I-465 from the Mann Road overpass.

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Another perspective of the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northwest.

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Close up look of the Manitowoc 2250 crane.

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Another view looking northeast toward the I-465W to I-65S work zone. While it's a little deceiving visual-wise, the future four lanes of westbound I-465 will be coming through that gap between the abutment and pier.

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Another look at the girders of the I-69N to I-465W flyover; looking northeast.

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Zoomed in view looking east from the Mann Road overpass. The section of bridge over Harmon Ditch (center) has received its deck pour. They did the work at night last week. It appears the plan is to complete more lanes, then transition westbound traffic to those, after which the current westbound lanes and bridges will be demolished and reconstructed.

I was hoping to get more of the frame in sharp focus, but it was not to be. Next time I'll tweak the settings. Might work, might not; it's three miles in distance. Now if I had me a top-of-line long range lens, the kind that wildlife photographers often use, well, I imagine a better picture could be produced — but I don't.

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Here's that second Manitowoc crane. The towers of downtown Indianapolis are in the background.

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Closer look of the I-465W to I-69S flyover with falsework in place.

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Another view of the I-69N to I-465W flyover work zone.

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Again, looking east from the Mann Road overpass.

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And one more of the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

I was hoping to stop by another location or two but the sun was sinking like a rock. It's only a hour drive, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: boilerup25 on February 26, 2024, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
The tiny segment left from Epler Ave to 465 will become an unsigned state owned road.

I also thought that was a possibility, but I went on a site visit as part of my transportation engineering class and heard from INDOT and the project team that the tiny segment of current IN 37 from Epler Avenue to I-465 will be de-designated / relinquished and returned to the city of Indianapolis. The team also told me that the existing IN 37 in that area might be given a "road diet" now that through traffic has been diverted to other routes once the I-69/I-465 junction is complete.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 26, 2024, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: boilerup25 on February 26, 2024, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
The tiny segment left from Epler Ave to 465 will become an unsigned state owned road.

I also thought that was a possibility, but I went on a site visit as part of my transportation engineering class and heard from INDOT and the project team that the tiny segment of current IN 37 from Epler Avenue to I-465 will be de-designated / relinquished and returned to the city of Indianapolis. The team also told me that the existing IN 37 in that area might be given a "road diet" now that through traffic has been diverted to other routes once the I-69/I-465 junction is complete.
I'm sure the city of Indianapolis is joyously awaiting taking possession of another street even though most of the traffic will be on I-69 and I-465.

I traveled up from SW Indiana yesterday to Indianapolis and back using the new I-69/Future I-69.  Truly no stoplights until you switch over to what would remain of IN-37 to Harding Street.  That part is quite a mess due to all of the construction going on.  One good note, I hardly saw any police on I-69 yesterday, and I was looking in the 45 MPH area (from I-465 to 10 miles south) since none of us were going 45, matter of fact, I'm not sure any of us were going under 60 (and I'm guessing that is normal).  Nice 2 1/2 hour trip from downtown Indy back to home.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 26, 2024, 04:49:28 PM
https://i69finishline.com/on-track-project-update-february-26-2024/?fbclid=IwAR1u-QNjBzdilH0eMF34xtSS3swhaxMiBQsiw-r9Ma5EPcJ9W9CEmMqgSj4

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Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Thegeet on February 27, 2024, 03:17:11 AM
Quote from: boilerup25 on February 26, 2024, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
The tiny segment left from Epler Ave to 465 will become an unsigned state owned road.

I also thought that was a possibility, but I went on a site visit as part of my transportation engineering class and heard from INDOT and the project team that the tiny segment of current IN 37 from Epler Avenue to I-465 will be de-designated / relinquished and returned to the city of Indianapolis. The team also told me that the existing IN 37 in that area might be given a "road diet" now that through traffic has been diverted to other routes once the I-69/I-465 junction is complete.
Road diet? Like it becomes a rural road or something?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on February 27, 2024, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Thegeet on February 27, 2024, 03:17:11 AM
Quote from: boilerup25 on February 26, 2024, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Moose on February 14, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
The tiny segment left from Epler Ave to 465 will become an unsigned state owned road.

I also thought that was a possibility, but I went on a site visit as part of my transportation engineering class and heard from INDOT and the project team that the tiny segment of current IN 37 from Epler Avenue to I-465 will be de-designated / relinquished and returned to the city of Indianapolis. The team also told me that the existing IN 37 in that area might be given a "road diet" now that through traffic has been diverted to other routes once the I-69/I-465 junction is complete.
Road diet? Like it becomes a rural road or something?

I have never liked the term 'road diet', it just sounds too 'wonky'.  I'm thinking that it will ultimately be re-engineered as a regular urban/suburban surface street.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on February 27, 2024, 12:35:33 PM
Surely Harding St will still have some commuter traffic heading into Indy from the southwest, no?

Urban arterial is what it is inside 465, and should become now once it departs the new 69 alignment a mile or two south of 465
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on February 27, 2024, 06:22:07 PM
it'll likely just be a 4 lane undivided road with a center left turn lane.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on February 27, 2024, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on February 27, 2024, 06:22:07 PM
it'll likely just be a 4 lane undivided road with a center left turn lane.
There are no properties with entrances directly on the road along that stretch, so why would anybody need to turn left except at an intersection?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on February 27, 2024, 08:11:40 PM
Well the six lane concrete divided highway would be overkill. If they chop up half of it, it could make for a good local road then.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: JREwing78 on February 28, 2024, 06:27:02 PM
The existence of the roadway at all is overkill. At this point, they could obliterate the roadway between Thompson Rd and Epler Ave, and sell off the real estate to adjoining property owners. Also, they could restore the alignment of Harding St at and south of Thompson Rd, and Epler Ave where it crosses the soon-to-be-former SR-37. There's no reason to retain the existing SR-37 roadway in any form.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on February 28, 2024, 09:00:44 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on February 28, 2024, 06:27:02 PM
The existence of the roadway at all is overkill. At this point, they could obliterate the roadway between Thompson Rd and Epler Ave, and sell off the real estate to adjoining property owners. Also, they could restore the alignment of Harding St at and south of Thompson Rd, and Epler Ave where it crosses the soon-to-be-former SR-37. There's no reason to retain the existing SR-37 roadway in any form.

Agreed.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: davewiecking on February 28, 2024, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on February 28, 2024, 06:27:02 PM
The existence of the roadway at all is overkill. At this point, they could obliterate the roadway between Thompson Rd and Epler Ave, and sell off the real estate to adjoining property owners. Also, they could restore the alignment of Harding St at and south of Thompson Rd, and Epler Ave where it crosses the soon-to-be-former SR-37. There's no reason to retain the existing SR-37 roadway in any form.
So NB traffic on I-69 headed into Indianapolis should have to go eastbound 1 mile or westbound 2 miles on I-465 in order to continue into the city?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on February 29, 2024, 12:29:25 AM
Or hop over to Bluff Rd and head into the city from there. Bluff turns into West St and is a more direct route into downtown anyways. I'm from the south side and we never took Harding into town. It basically dead-ends at 70. There really isn't anything on that side of the White river.

Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: sprjus4 on February 29, 2024, 12:52:57 AM
They're not getting rid of Harding St. It's going to tie into Epler Ave to have a partial interchange with I-69 just south of I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheCleanDemon on February 29, 2024, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on February 28, 2024, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on February 28, 2024, 06:27:02 PM
The existence of the roadway at all is overkill. At this point, they could obliterate the roadway between Thompson Rd and Epler Ave, and sell off the real estate to adjoining property owners. Also, they could restore the alignment of Harding St at and south of Thompson Rd, and Epler Ave where it crosses the soon-to-be-former SR-37. There's no reason to retain the existing SR-37 roadway in any form.
So NB traffic on I-69 headed into Indianapolis should have to go eastbound 1 mile or westbound 2 miles on I-465 in order to continue into the city?

That's what I've done for years. 37N to 465E to 65N
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on February 29, 2024, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: TheCleanDemon on February 29, 2024, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on February 28, 2024, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: JREwing78 on February 28, 2024, 06:27:02 PM
The existence of the roadway at all is overkill. At this point, they could obliterate the roadway between Thompson Rd and Epler Ave, and sell off the real estate to adjoining property owners. Also, they could restore the alignment of Harding St at and south of Thompson Rd, and Epler Ave where it crosses the soon-to-be-former SR-37. There's no reason to retain the existing SR-37 roadway in any form.
So NB traffic on I-69 headed into Indianapolis should have to go eastbound 1 mile or westbound 2 miles on I-465 in order to continue into the city?

That's what I've done for years. 37N to 465E to 65N
I have taken I-69/IN 37 into either Harding or switched off at County Line to go up old 37 depending upon time of day.  I'll now go over to I-65 to go downtown, since all the consturction will be done by next year.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on February 29, 2024, 05:20:08 PM
Harding Street is still a major roadway north of I-465 connecting to various industrial businesses and providing a direct connection with I-70. It's still an important route despite not being the best way to downtown. Not everyone is going to downtown. I would guess there will still be a portion of commuter traffic using I-69 north to the Epler ramp to access Harding Street for those destinations further north. Furthermore there are those truck stops at the intersection of Harding and Thompson. Those will still be heavily utilized and due to the constant semi and traveler traffic the existing travel lanes and turn lanes will still be needed. The new I-69 interchange will hopefully make it much better to access those businesses and Harding Street to the north, but I don't think a reduction in lanes will help much on that end. If nothing else the lane configuration south of I-465 should be roughly the same to the north, it is a four-lane roadway all the way up to I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on February 29, 2024, 09:07:22 PM
The truck stops are probably why they are having ramps on Harding off 465, otherwise they would have just done away with it and made anyone wanting Harding use Epler.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 01, 2024, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 29, 2024, 09:07:22 PM
The truck stops are probably why they are having ramps on Harding off 465, otherwise they would have just done away with it and made anyone wanting Harding use Epler.
There is quite a lot of truck traffic that goes up Harding, and I would say that is why the truck stops are there.  Harding is an industrial area between I-465 and I-70.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on March 04, 2024, 12:44:59 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on March 01, 2024, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: Moose on February 29, 2024, 09:07:22 PM
The truck stops are probably why they are having ramps on Harding off 465, otherwise they would have just done away with it and made anyone wanting Harding use Epler.
There is quite a lot of truck traffic that goes up Harding, and I would say that is why the truck stops are there.  Harding is an industrial area between I-465 and I-70.

Yes, but its a chicken and egg thing to me.... is all the truck traffic on Harding because that exit is literally the only truck stop in town (trucks coming down out of the SW corner of town to get to those truck stops).. or are the truck stops there because of the traffic?

By the arguments above. I-70 Holt Road has a ton of truck traffic and should have truck stops, yet it doesn't. Same thoughts with all the other exits.

It is a weird situation with the truck stops in this town, its the only exit on 465, 70, and 65 with truck stops IN Marion county.

I still say that if the truck stops were elsewhere, INDOT doesn't replace the harding exit off Hardling, and just puts the one on Epler to access it.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 04, 2024, 08:50:54 PM
Ginormous APL sign is up on 465 EB just east of Mann Road for Exit 5. Saw it earlier today, with the I-69 South sign partially revealed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 15, 2024, 02:58:41 AM
It's been a while since the previous set of construction photos were posted, so here's a selection of recent screenshots from INDOT cameras:

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INDOT Traffic Camera
New camera, new perspective. On the south side of Indianapolis, looking east toward the future I-465W to I-69S flyover. Either last week or the week before, the flyover's final prestressed concrete beams were placed, stretching from the median pier (left) to the north abutment (out of view). On the right is, as many of you already know, the eastbound exit ramp to Harding Street.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
From Monday, earlier this week, a long range shot from the Mann Road overpass. Geotextile fabric was being rolled out on the roadbed of the future two left lanes of eastbound I-465 plus left shoulder, as well as the left shoulder and far left lane of the westbound lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's what it looked like after aggregate was placed atop the geotextile fabric. Note the sign foundation (bottom center), which denotes the location of the future median barrier wall. After this section of roadway completes, probably sometime in May or June, westbound I-465 traffic will be shifted onto the new pavement. Crews will then rip up the pavement of the current westbound lanes and begin the process to rebuild and widen.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view from the Mann Road camera focused on the newly built bridge section over Harmon Ditch. Again, note the sign foundation, probably for an overhead sign that will stretch over the westbound lanes.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Here's the perspective from the camera positioned just east of Harmon Ditch, looking southeast. In the background (left), construction is now underway to build the new, wider bridge that will carry westbound I-465 over the White River. Of interest, note the distance of the northern sign foundation (left) from the current roadway. This gives an idea how much the westbound roadway will be widened. Unfortunately, there's a occupied house just feet from that foundation. With the constant traffic, one has to wonder how these folks are going to manage with the westbound lanes virtually in their backyard. It's possible the property was acquired during the right-of-way acquisition process and the date to vacate is soon forthcoming. But maybe not. We'll see.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Looking west toward I-465 and the bridges over Bluff Road (background). This spot is about one mile east of the I-69 interchange work zone. In this vicinity, eastbound traffic has been transitioned to the westbound lanes to facilitate construction of the new, wider eastbound bridge over S. Meridian Street.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, the view looking east. The S. Meridian Street bridge construction zone is just around the bend. When that bridge completes, eastbound traffic will be shifted back, and westbound traffic will be transitioned to the pavement where eastbound traffic now runs. This will allow sections of the westbound roadway to be reconstructed.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Zoomed in view from a couple weeks ago looking toward the newly completed section of bridge over Bluff Road. When compared to the more recent picture posted two photos above very significant progress is evident.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Long range perspective looking toward the I-465/US 31 interchange. Eastbound traffic was backed up due to an incident. In time, perhaps in 15 or 20 years, this interchange will be rebuilt. At this time, however, the bridges and ramps are most likely in good shape and will last for a number of years with regular maintenance. That's probably what some engineer determined. As a result, it didn't make any sense to tear it down now and rebuild anew. And, of course, that another $100-150 million would have been needed most certainly was a consideration too.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Another zoomed in view from the Mann Road camera. Pictured is the large overhead sign which was mentioned in an above post. The gaping hole in the background (left) is the White River bridge construction zone.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Turning around, here's an early March view looking west toward the Mann Road overpass and partial interchange. Again, on the left is the newly built section of bridge over Harmon Ditch. In the background, Thompson Road is seen adjacent to the eastbound entrance ramp from Mann Road.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
Long range perspective from the Mann Road Camera.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
One more, an early evening view of I-465 just west of the White River bridge construction zone.

There is one component of the project that isn't pictured in the above photos: the I-69N to I-465W flyover and its girders. That's because INDOT has purposely redirected its cameras away from that particular area. The process to erect the last of the girders is probably complete by now, but until bracing is finished, and so on, the cameras most likely won't be shifted back.

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INDOT Traffic Camera
In this picture, again from the Mann Road camera, the girders of the I-69N to I-465W flyover (deep background) appear to be extended to the north abutment. Please note my use of the phrase "appear to be" because girder placement may, in fact, not be complete. Without seeing the work in person or having a close up camera shot, it's all but impossible to determine whether girder placement is complete or not. At any rate, the flyover is much longer than it was previously, indicating significant progress has been made.

Edit: Added the last picture.
   
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on March 15, 2024, 09:17:37 PM
Both the US-31/I-465 and the southside I-65/I-465 interchanges feature those damnable flyover ramps that dump slow traffic right in the left fast lane.

They date from the same time period and have been there as long as I can remember (since the 80s)... 65/465 got redone, but those darn flyovers remained.

The ones at 65/465 are bad as they have a slow advisory signs on them. The NB to WB ramp has a hideous 25 on it, the SB to EB ramp has a 30.
The ones on the 31/465 ramps are a little more open, but you still have timid people who still manage to dawdle down them, and despite having a wider more sweeping curve on them they are posted 30 advisory.
All of this before these ramps unceremoniously dump you into the essentially 80mph+ lane.

The 465/65 interchange did get rebuilt several years back, they redid everything else, but left those lanes that dump cars in the left lane.

They are textbook examples of a early, "Hey instead of a cloverleaf... lets do these flyover lanes.." and they being early enough in Interstate design to not realize they are almost worse then a cloverleaf. Total classic example of, nice try, but yeah that is not the way to do that..

If your a decent driver, and know how to take the curve with some speed, and your not afraid to drop the hammer out of the curve.. you can merge fairly safely.. But a Semi cant do this, and many drivers with a decent car won't and wander there way around those ramps in a slow manner and pull out into high speed traffic.

Its almost a darn given if your coming by in the fast lane on 465, your gonna get some slow dragarse just pull out in front of you.. I honestly just move to the middle lane there, knowing those ramps are effectively dumping slow drivers right in front of you.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 09:17:37 PM
Both the US-31/I-465 and the southside I-65/I-465 interchanges feature those damnable flyover ramps that dump slow traffic right in the left fast lane.

They date from the same time period and have been there as long as I can remember (since the 80s)... 65/465 got redone, but those darn flyovers remained.

The ones at 65/465 are bad as they have a slow advisory signs on them. The NB to WB ramp has a hideous 25 on it, the SB to EB ramp has a 30.
The ones on the 31/465 ramps are a little more open, but you still have timid people who still manage to dawdle down them, and despite having a wider more sweeping curve on them they are posted 30 advisory.
All of this before these ramps unceremoniously dump you into the essentially 80mph+ lane.

The 465/65 interchange did get rebuilt several years back, they redid everything else, but left those lanes that dump cars in the left lane.

They are textbook examples of a early, "Hey instead of a cloverleaf... lets do these flyover lanes.." and they being early enough in Interstate design to not realize they are almost worse then a cloverleaf. Total classic example of, nice try, but yeah that is not the way to do that..

If your a decent driver, and know how to take the curve with some speed, and your not afraid to drop the hammer out of the curve.. you can merge fairly safely.. But a Semi cant do this, and many drivers with a decent car won't and wander there way around those ramps in a slow manner and pull out into high speed traffic.

Its almost a darn given if your coming by in the fast lane on 465, your gonna get some slow dragarse just pull out in front of you.. I honestly just move to the middle lane there, knowing those ramps are effectively dumping slow drivers right in front of you.

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Moose on March 15, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on March 15, 2024, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 09:17:37 PM
Both the US-31/I-465 and the southside I-65/I-465 interchanges feature those damnable flyover ramps that dump slow traffic right in the left fast lane.

They date from the same time period and have been there as long as I can remember (since the 80s)... 65/465 got redone, but those darn flyovers remained.

The ones at 65/465 are bad as they have a slow advisory signs on them. The NB to WB ramp has a hideous 25 on it, the SB to EB ramp has a 30.
The ones on the 31/465 ramps are a little more open, but you still have timid people who still manage to dawdle down them, and despite having a wider more sweeping curve on them they are posted 30 advisory.
All of this before these ramps unceremoniously dump you into the essentially 80mph+ lane.

The 465/65 interchange did get rebuilt several years back, they redid everything else, but left those lanes that dump cars in the left lane.

They are textbook examples of a early, "Hey instead of a cloverleaf... lets do these flyover lanes.." and they being early enough in Interstate design to not realize they are almost worse then a cloverleaf. Total classic example of, nice try, but yeah that is not the way to do that..

If your a decent driver, and know how to take the curve with some speed, and your not afraid to drop the hammer out of the curve.. you can merge fairly safely.. But a Semi cant do this, and many drivers with a decent car won't and wander there way around those ramps in a slow manner and pull out into high speed traffic.

Its almost a darn given if your coming by in the fast lane on 465, your gonna get some slow dragarse just pull out in front of you.. I honestly just move to the middle lane there, knowing those ramps are effectively dumping slow drivers right in front of you.
Being from the south side, I remember taking the 31-465 left on ramp in driver's ed. I remember my instructor telling me to take the curve extra fast and "punch it" as soon as it straightened out. Brave instructor he was.

Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 16, 2024, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.

It sucks because they just redid those ramps in the last few years. They closed those flyover ramps for a few months and did extensive work on them to make them good for a while. So unless there's some master plan in the upcoming future those ramps are here to stay for a while. And of course those ramps are one of the "reasons" they used to justify the 55 MPH speed limit on I-465. Que the state lawmakers: those dangerous left-side entrance ramps are still there, guess we can't raise the speed limit on 465, oh well! Shrugs shoulders.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 16, 2024, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 16, 2024, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.

It sucks because they just redid those ramps in the last few years. They closed those flyover ramps for a few months and did extensive work on them to make them good for a while. So unless there's some master plan in the upcoming future those ramps are here to stay for a while. And of course those ramps are one of the "reasons" they used to justify the 55 MPH speed limit on I-465. Que the state lawmakers: those dangerous left-side entrance ramps are still there, guess we can't raise the speed limit on 465, oh well! Shrugs shoulders.

no one, not even the law makers that said that believes that's the real reason it's still 55  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 16, 2024, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.

It sucks because they just redid those ramps in the last few years. They closed those flyover ramps for a few months and did extensive work on them to make them good for a while. So unless there's some master plan in the upcoming future those ramps are here to stay for a while. And of course those ramps are one of the "reasons" they used to justify the 55 MPH speed limit on I-465. Que the state lawmakers: those dangerous left-side entrance ramps are still there, guess we can't raise the speed limit on 465, oh well! Shrugs shoulders.
Calling it now - if there's ever a proposal to reconstruct the US 31/465 interchange at Exit 2, a DDI will be one of the alternatives.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on March 17, 2024, 07:32:25 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 16, 2024, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.

It sucks because they just redid those ramps in the last few years. They closed those flyover ramps for a few months and did extensive work on them to make them good for a while. So unless there's some master plan in the upcoming future those ramps are here to stay for a while. And of course those ramps are one of the "reasons" they used to justify the 55 MPH speed limit on I-465. Que the state lawmakers: those dangerous left-side entrance ramps are still there, guess we can't raise the speed limit on 465, oh well! Shrugs shoulders.
Calling it now - if there's ever a proposal to reconstruct the US 31/465 interchange at Exit 2, a DDI will be one of the alternatives.
"Hey, Marge, here's another bomb: I like beer." -- Homer Simpson
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 17, 2024, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 16, 2024, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: Moose on March 15, 2024, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 15, 2024, 09:33:42 PM

Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.

It sucks because they just redid those ramps in the last few years. They closed those flyover ramps for a few months and did extensive work on them to make them good for a while. So unless there's some master plan in the upcoming future those ramps are here to stay for a while. And of course those ramps are one of the "reasons" they used to justify the 55 MPH speed limit on I-465. Que the state lawmakers: those dangerous left-side entrance ramps are still there, guess we can't raise the speed limit on 465, oh well! Shrugs shoulders.
Calling it now - if there's ever a proposal to reconstruct the US 31/465 interchange at Exit 2, a DDI will be one of the alternatives.

the only possible way for that to be true is if the minor movements (everything to and from meridian) were a part of that exclusively. all the movements to and from us 31 will be limited access. there is too much traffic for 31 for a ddi to make any sense.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 17, 2024, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
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Those are some of the oldest interchanges on 465, and they haven't changed much since they built them! I wish they'd spend more money and get rid of those but it would be a lot.

Yeah I don't know exactly how old they are, but fairly old.

The only ramp sort of like this, is the I 465 to I 65 interchange on the Northwest Side.. it has the NB ramp from 465 to 65, both on the left side.. but there is virtually no curvature on it, and no posted advisory speed. So everyone takes that one at full speed.

It sucks because they just redid those ramps in the last few years. They closed those flyover ramps for a few months and did extensive work on them to make them good for a while. So unless there's some master plan in the upcoming future those ramps are here to stay for a while. And of course those ramps are one of the "reasons" they used to justify the 55 MPH speed limit on I-465. Que the state lawmakers: those dangerous left-side entrance ramps are still there, guess we can't raise the speed limit on 465, oh well! Shrugs shoulders.
Calling it now - if there's ever a proposal to reconstruct the US 31/465 interchange at Exit 2, a DDI will be one of the alternatives.

the only possible way for that to be true is if the minor movements (everything to and from meridian) were a part of that exclusively. all the movements to and from us 31 will be limited access. there is too much traffic for 31 for a ddi to make any sense.
If they wanted to keep it that way, I'm not really sure there's even a standard interchange design that can fit in the current ROW.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 17, 2024, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
Calling it now - if there's ever a proposal to reconstruct the US 31/465 interchange at Exit 2, a DDI will be one of the alternatives.

I agree. When the US 31 bridge needs replacing, the entire interchange will be redone. A DDI could very well be feasible, traffic wise as well as cost.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: ITB on March 17, 2024, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 17, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
Calling it now - if there's ever a proposal to reconstruct the US 31/465 interchange at Exit 2, a DDI will be one of the alternatives.

I agree. When the US 31 bridge needs replacing, the entire interchange will be redone. A DDI could very well be feasible, traffic wise as well as cost.
Honestly, minus the I-69 and I-70 interchanges, all the interchanges on the south side - including the one with I-65 - need reconfiguring.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 17, 2024, 07:07:56 PM
Here's some more pictures. It was a brisk late Saturday afternoon with periods of bright sunlight mixed with heavy cloud cover. Construction of the I-69/I-465 interchange is rapidly progressing, as is the work to reconstruct and add lanes to I-465. Because they are working on an accelerated schedule, night and weekend work has been occurring at certain locations. Bear in mind, this project is projected to complete in only nine and half months. Although a lot of works remains, the pace of progress is tangible. Photos were taken Saturday, March 16, 2024.

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Zoomed in view from the Mann Road overpass. In the background are the girders of the flyover ramp that will carry I-69N to I-465W. At this time on I-465, crews are focusing on completing the eastbound roadway, which includes building two travel lanes plus a left shoulder. When that completes, westbound traffic will be transitioned to that pavement, and work will then commence to rip up the current westbound lanes, followed by their reconstruction and widening. The yellow piece of equipment in the background is to drill pile shafts for the westbound White River bridge. 

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Closer look of the newly installed overhead sign. And, in case you're wondering, no, I did not get on the barrier. I simply leaned over.

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Turning around, the view looking west toward the Mann Road overpass and partial interchange.

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Long range view from the Mann Road overpass. On the left is a foundation for an overhead sign that will stretch over the future westbound lanes.

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And here is that sign.

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Another look at the large overhead sign stretched across eastbound I-465.

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Slightly different zoomed in angle looking east from the Mann Road overpass.

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Long range view looking west toward I-465 and the Mann Road overpass. On the left is Thompson Road.

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Different perspective, again looking west toward Mann.

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And another look at the overhead sign and other signage.

More photos to come.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 17, 2024, 10:13:18 PM

Another set. Again, photos were taken Saturday, March 16, 2024.

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At the future I-69/I-465 system interchange on the south side of Indianapolis, the girders of the I-69N to I-465 flyover ramp; looking northwest. Two sets of girders are still to be set. This is a very deliberate and careful process. Each girder weighs thousands of pounds and one mishap can be disastrous. The ironworkers who do this work are not as common as they once were. The work can be physically demanding and sometimes dangerous. Stay safe guys!

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Turning around, looking northeast, here's a slightly zoomed in view of the I-465W to I-69S flyover ramp. The final set of precast concrete beams were placed either early last week or the week before. The original interchange plans had this ramp, too, being constructed using girders. But the Walsh-Milestone JV presented a design option — formally called an Alternative Technical Concept (ATC) — in which concrete beams could be used instead. INDOT accepted the proposed design modification, as that's what's getting built now.

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Long range view looking west toward I-465. When the photo is enlarged (right click, etc), the Mann Road overpass can be discerned in the deep background.

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Closer look at the girders and north abutment; looking northwest.

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Different perspective of the girders and abutment, again looking northwest.

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Long range view looking toward the I-465W to I-69S flyover ramp; looking east.

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Closer look of the girders and temporary scaffolding use in their placement; looking north.

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MSE (Mechanically Stablized Earth) wall caps to be placed on the south abutment of the I-69N to I-465 flyover.

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Another perspective of the girders.

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Looking north across I-465 toward the AES Harding Street Generating Station, with the towers of downtown Indianapolis in the background.

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Another look at the I-69N to I-465W flyover ramp. Depending on the weather, it's possible the final two sets of girders will be placed this week.

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And one more look at the I-465W to I-69S flyover ramp.

Still more photos to come.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 18, 2024, 03:16:16 PM

Another set. Once again, the pictures were taken Saturday, March 16, 2024.

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Looking north from the Epler Avenue overpass toward the ramps of the future I-69/I-465 interchange. In the background are the girders of the I-69N to I-465W flyover ramp.

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Mid-range view. At the time of the photo, work was being performed on the GOMACO placer/spreader. Concrete paving will likely get underway this week on the two ramps which have rebar in place.

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Turning around, the view looking south from the Epler Avenue overpass. Aside from another layer or two of asphalt, this section of roadway appears to be all but complete.

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Long range shot with the AES Harding Street Generating Station in the background.

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Zoomed in view of the rebar on the ramp from I-465W to I-69S, plus the gore point where the two southbound ramps from I-465 join to form I-69 south. And, again, in the background, the I-69N to I-465W flyover.

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Here's the view from the other direction, looking south toward the Epler Avenue overpass.

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Closer look of the gore point where I-69 north splits into two ramps, to either east or westbound I-465.

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Future ramp from I-465E to I-69S; looking southeast. The Epler Avenue overpass is in the background.

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Turning around, here's the view in the other direction, looking northwest.

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Another long range view looking north from the Epler Avenue overpass, with the towers of downtown Indianapolis in the background.

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One more, again looking north from Epler, depicting, as do others above, the four movements of the interchange.

Chilly mid-March day today. Nothing unusual. It might be, however, the last winter-like day until November. That means paving, both with asphalt and concrete, will be ramping up. The next nine month period is going to be very busy for the construction crews as I-69 approaches completion in Marion County.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ITB on March 19, 2024, 01:21:02 AM

A few more pictures. Better to post them now before they get stale. Again, the photos were taken Saturday, March 16, 2024.

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Different perspective of the I-69N to I-465W flyover ramp; looking northwest.

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The long MSE wall retaining wall of the I-69N to I-465W ramp and abutment, again looking northwest.

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Another zoomed in shot from the Mann Road overpass; looking east. It was mostly cloudy, but at this particular moment the sun's rays were, fortuitously, bathing the I-69N flyover in light.

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Another view of the flyover.

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Turning to the left, the view of I-465 with the future eastbound exit ramp to I-69 south in the foreground.

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Close up of the flyover's north abutment and the temporary scaffolding to support girder placement.

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Looking south from the Epler Avenue overpass. On the right is the southbound entrance ramp from Epler.

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View of the flyover from the future eastbound exit ramp to I-69 south.

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Cropped perspective of eastbound I-465 and the newly installed overhead sign roughly 3/4 of a mile east of the Mann Road overpass.

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Long range view of the I-69N flyover; looking northwest.

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Another long range view, this time looking south toward the Epler Avenue overpass.

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And, again, the I-69N flyover ramp and north abutment.

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And another long range shot looking north from the Epler Avenue overpass.

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Cropped shot looking south from Epler.   

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And, finally, looking north toward the I-69N flyover from S. Warman Avenue in the Sunshine Gardens neighborhood. S. Warman used to intersect with Thompson Road up ahead, but that section of Thompson Road was removed, or perhaps, more accurately, erased, when construction of the I-69/I-465 interchange moved forward.

That's all for now.

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: ITB on March 17, 2024, 07:07:56 PM
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Closer look of the newly installed overhead sign. And, in case you're wondering, no, I did not get on the barrier. I simply leaned over.

Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheCleanDemon on March 19, 2024, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.

The sign in question isn't in a spot where 69 and 465 are running concurrent. 69 will be signed just like 74 is.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: ilpt4u on March 19, 2024, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: TheCleanDemon on March 19, 2024, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.

The sign in question isn't in a spot where 69 and 465 are running concurrent. 69 will be signed just like 74 is.
465EB/Outer, 69NB is joining the beltway here. It may very well be signed but covered
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheCleanDemon on March 19, 2024, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 19, 2024, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: TheCleanDemon on March 19, 2024, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.

The sign in question isn't in a spot where 69 and 465 are running concurrent. 69 will be signed just like 74 is.
465EB/Outer, 69NB is joining the beltway here. It may very well be signed but covered

Maybe. There are no signs that I can think of on 465 advertising an approaching concurrence with 74, but maybe they are planning that with 69? For example, on 465 south on the westside of Indy, the only signs approaching 74 are for the West 74 exit. There are no signs saying "74 east stay on 465".
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 19, 2024, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 19, 2024, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: TheCleanDemon on March 19, 2024, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.

The sign in question isn't in a spot where 69 and 465 are running concurrent. 69 will be signed just like 74 is.
465EB/Outer, 69NB is joining the beltway here. It may very well be signed but covered
It is signed under the tarp. INDOT will be updating all signs along 465 in 2024 into 2025 to include both I-74 and I-69, as well as along intersecting roads, including I-70 on the east side. So I-69 will not be a "hidden designation" along I-465, unlike, say, SR 67.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: roadman65 on March 19, 2024, 02:34:52 PM
Will I-69 have control cities like I-74?  At I-65 it will be interesting to see both Cincinnati and Fort Wayne signed together as well as Evansville/ Peoria the other way.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 19, 2024, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 19, 2024, 02:34:52 PM
Will I-69 have control cities like I-74?  At I-65 it will be interesting to see both Cincinnati and Fort Wayne signed together as well as Evansville/ Peoria the other way.
Yep, both will be signed entirely along I-465.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 19, 2024, 05:53:14 PM
According to the signage plans, coming from the south on I-65 the control cities of Peoria (for WB 465/74 and SB 69) will be featured plus Fort Wayne (for EB 465/74 and NB 69.) This does make sense since when you travel in that direction it's more likely you are heading toward Peoria or Fort Wayne, as opposed to Evansville and Cincinnati. A supplemental sign will reference Evansville and Cincinnati just in case. At the actual split at Exit 106 both control cities for both directions will be mentioned. Heading south on I-65 is appears that all control cities will be listed. At southbound Exit 106 you will have FIVE control cities: Cincinnati, Fort Wayne, Evansville, Peoria and Louisville.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Genghixiani on March 22, 2024, 10:19:32 AM
I have heard that IN-37 will be decommissioned through I-465 on here, and I just wanted to know if that was true.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 22, 2024, 01:05:28 PM
IN 37 will exist in three segments: 1. Tell City-to-Bloomington, 2. Fishers-to-Marion, 3. Fort Wayne-to-Ohio State Line. The Marion-to-Fort Wayne duplexes with IN 9 and US 24 were eliminated in 1980, creating the northern gap. Now with the Evansville-to-Indianapolis segment of Interstate 69 being completed, a central gap will be created as well. Personally, I'd keep the southern segment as IN 37, and give the central and northern segments of 37 new numbers, since I dislike state highways with gaps in them, even though a number of states have gaps in their state highways.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Genghixiani on March 22, 2024, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 22, 2024, 01:05:28 PM
IN 37 will exist in three segments: 1. Tell City-to-Bloomington, 2. Fishers-to-Marion, 3. Fort Wayne-to-Ohio State Line. The Marion-to-Fort Wayne duplexes with IN 9 and US 24 were eliminated in 1980, creating the northern gap. Now with the Evansville-to-Indianapolis segment of Interstate 69 being completed, a central gap will be created as well. Personally, I'd keep the southern segment as IN 37, and give the central and northern segments of 37 new numbers, since I dislike state highways with gaps in them, even though a number of states have gaps in their state highways.

Thanks for the clarity.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: KeithE4Phx on March 23, 2024, 12:37:31 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 22, 2024, 01:05:28 PM
IN 37 will exist in three segments: 1. Tell City-to-Bloomington, 2. Fishers-to-Marion, 3. Fort Wayne-to-Ohio State Line. The Marion-to-Fort Wayne duplexes with IN 9 and US 24 were eliminated in 1980, creating the northern gap. Now with the Evansville-to-Indianapolis segment of Interstate 69 being completed, a central gap will be created as well. Personally, I'd keep the southern segment as IN 37, and give the central and northern segments of 37 new numbers, since I dislike state highways with gaps in them, even though a number of states have gaps in their state highways.

There will be two state highways with three segments that include the Bloomington area:  IN 37 as you describe, plus IN 48 between IN 63 and IN 157 (Fairbanks to Worthington), between IN 43 and I-69 (Whitehall to Bloomington), and US 421 to US 50 (Napoleon to Lawrenceburg). 

I have no idea why INDOT continues this practice.  The Bloomington/Whitehall segment has had little reason to exist since at least the 1960s.  It's strictly a local road, and there's no longer much of a reason for IN 43 to exist in that area, either.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 23, 2024, 08:12:16 AM
SR 101 would like to say hello.

Speaking of SR 37's soon-to-be three segments. I agree that the southernmost part should remain the normal SR 37. I had a crazy idea in my head for the middle segment from Fishers to Marion, renumber it SR 15. Eliminate the small section from Marion to Gas City, since it is too a local road, and renumber all of SR 37 from Marion down to Fishers. It wouldn't be the neatest looking routing and there would be some grid-violation for part of the way due to SR 13, but looking at a large map of the state it is still generally a north-to-south routing, connecting the Indy Metro area with Marion, and then Warsaw and Elkhart.

I'm not sure about the northernmost segment out of Fort Wayne, maybe some three-digit state route or something?
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on March 23, 2024, 09:07:33 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 23, 2024, 12:37:31 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 22, 2024, 01:05:28 PM
IN 37 will exist in three segments: 1. Tell City-to-Bloomington, 2. Fishers-to-Marion, 3. Fort Wayne-to-Ohio State Line. The Marion-to-Fort Wayne duplexes with IN 9 and US 24 were eliminated in 1980, creating the northern gap. Now with the Evansville-to-Indianapolis segment of Interstate 69 being completed, a central gap will be created as well. Personally, I'd keep the southern segment as IN 37, and give the central and northern segments of 37 new numbers, since I dislike state highways with gaps in them, even though a number of states have gaps in their state highways.

There will be two state highways with three segments that include the Bloomington area:  IN 37 as you describe, plus IN 48 between IN 63 and IN 157 (Fairbanks to Worthington), between IN 43 and I-69 (Whitehall to Bloomington), and US 421 to US 50 (Napoleon to Lawrenceburg). 

I have no idea why INDOT continues this practice.  The Bloomington/Whitehall segment has had little reason to exist since at least the 1960s.  It's strictly a local road, and there's no longer much of a reason for IN 43 to exist in that area, either.
If I were a local community and the State was maintaining these routes, I would be miffed to have them forced upon me. 

Someone did say a long time ago that the decommissioning process requires local consent in Indiana.  Don't know if that's true.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: bmeiser on March 23, 2024, 09:26:33 AM
Is it me or does this thread devolve into a discussion about the future of 37 every few months or so?

Pixel 7

Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on March 23, 2024, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on March 23, 2024, 09:26:33 AM
Is it me or does this thread devolve into a discussion about the future of 37 every few months or so?

Pixel 7
Eh, still seems pertinent to me.  Even though construction is underway, DOTs do change their minds.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: mgk920 on March 23, 2024, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2024, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: bmeiser on March 23, 2024, 09:26:33 AM
Is it me or does this thread devolve into a discussion about the future of 37 every few months or so?

Pixel 7
Eh, still seems pertinent to me.  Even though construction is underway, DOTs do change their minds.

Even WisDOT is known to do that.  Before the late 1990s,they were planning to turn the north-south part of US 45 north of central Oshkosh, WI over to the two counties (Outagamie and Winnebago) for 'lettering' when the then planned US 10/45 freeway project was completed.  They re-ran the traffic projection numbers and then decided to keep the road, reflagging it as 'WI 76' instead.

Mike
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Henry on March 23, 2024, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: ITB on March 17, 2024, 07:07:56 PM
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Closer look of the newly installed overhead sign. And, in case you're wondering, no, I did not get on the barrier. I simply leaned over.

Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.
Way to ruin the mystery, INDOT!
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: tdindy88 on March 23, 2024, 02:55:03 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 23, 2024, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: ITB on March 17, 2024, 07:07:56 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53593095249_49a2b5bd8b_k.jpg)
Closer look of the newly installed overhead sign. And, in case you're wondering, no, I did not get on the barrier. I simply leaned over.

Interesting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.
Way to ruin the mystery, INDOT!

Well, here's another view of the signage plans:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51717455766_49f2d3a4d2_k.jpg)

This picture seems to be a variant of sign number 4 in this image. I imagine the finished project will be similar looking but it appears that the Harding Street mention will be on its own separate sign. The APL signage will just be for Exit 5, which was renumbered from the original Exit 4B. Beyond that sign though the rest of the signs that have gone up around this project have been spot on with the plans.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: silverback1065 on March 23, 2024, 06:54:47 PM
SR 45 and I think 48 were both supposed to be decommissioned west of 69 but they couldn't get an agreement with the city and county so they stay as is. I have a crazy idea to turn SR 13 into US 131  :-D
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 23, 2024, 07:05:41 PM
^I have a fictional idea of extending US 131 SB to at least Wabash.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 23, 2024, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 23, 2024, 07:05:41 PM
^I have a fictional area of extending US 131 SB to at least Wabash.

I have it going all the way to US 31 via US 20, IN 15, IN 9 and IN 46
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hobsini2 on March 26, 2024, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on March 23, 2024, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 23, 2024, 07:05:41 PM^I have a fictional area of extending US 131 SB to at least Wabash.

I have it going all the way to US 31 via US 20, IN 15, IN 9 and IN 46
Frankly, I would have US 131 go at least to Marion if not all the way to Fishers via IN 13, IN 15, IN 9, IN 37.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Rothman on March 26, 2024, 02:21:46 PM
This is the I-69 Update thread, which has been a nice, uncluttered thread for those of us interested in the project.  Fictional stuff belongs in Fictional.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: hobsini2 on March 26, 2024, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 26, 2024, 02:21:46 PMThis is the I-69 Update thread, which has been a nice, uncluttered thread for those of us interested in the project.  Fictional stuff belongs in Fictional.
I see the tangent police are out. Point taken though.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on March 26, 2024, 03:03:26 PM
Upcoming closure just east of Southport Rd Interchange, starting yesterday

Perry Commons Avenue at Old Southport Road/Winslet Boulevard is expected to close to traffic the evening of Monday, March 25 for up to 45 days, weather permitting. The closure facilitates rebuilding the road. During the closure, all local traffic must use Perry Commons Boulevard at Harding Street to enter and exit the neighborhood.  After this work is complete, the Perry Commons Avenue intersection will reopen to traffic, and construction work will begin on the north side of Old Southport Road.

I imagine this closure is to realign the road to better connect the neighborhood with Southport.
Title: Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
Post by: TheCleanDemon on March 26, 2024, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on March 19, 2024, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 19, 2024, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: TheCleanDemon on March 19, 2024, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 19, 2024, 10:55:46 AMInteresting that the pull-through part of that sign apparently does not include I-69 nbd.  Unless it's on a separate line and is covered.  I know INDOT doesn't sign state and US routes on the I-465 beltway, but I expected I-69 to be signed.

The sign in question isn't in a spot where 69 and 465 are running concurrent. 69 will be signed just like 74 is.
465EB/Outer, 69NB is joining the beltway here. It may very well be signed but covered
It is signed under the tarp. INDOT will be updating all signs along 465 in 2024 into 2025 to include both I-74 and I-69, as well as along intersecting roads, including I-70 on the east side. So I-69 will not be a "hidden designation" along I-465, unlike, say, SR 67.

According to the sign plan shared in this thread, that is not correct. That giant tarp is only covering giant arrows.

Edit to add I'm only taking about the specific sign we were originally talking about. Obviously 69 isn't going to be a hidden route, and that wasn't the claim I made