Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana

[silverback1065]

It seems like the western route would be cheaper to initially build, provides better access to the airport and close to the same access to downtown Indy as SR 37. 

SR 37 would be a better route for thru traffic and the theoretical truck traffic that would be coming from Mexico to Canada, and you wouldn't have to maintain both I-69 and most of SR37 from Martinsville to Indy as separate roads.

Do you think that if 69 goes on the route to connect near the airport, they would decommission SR 67 or 37 (or both) in between 465 and Martinsville and cosign them on the interstates?

I highly doubt Indy is willing to take over SR37 or SR67.

They'd be better off leaving both state routes as is. Especially IN 37, which would need to maintain its direct path around the Indy area.

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

[trafficsignal]

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.

[silverback1065]

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.

That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

[NWI_Irish96]

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.

That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?

[silverback1065]

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.

That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?

I was referring to the T, my thinking is rerouting 37 could make it necessary to have something like that so people can follow 37 better, but it may not be not sure how traffic will change as a result.

[NWI_Irish96]

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.

That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?

I was referring to the T, my thinking is rerouting 37 could make it necessary to have something like that so people can follow 37 better, but it may not be not sure how traffic will change as a result.

A roundabout with only 3 spokes would be interesting.  I also don't know how well a roundabout works in an area where the Speed Limit is 55 on the roads and traffic is averaging about 60.  Perhaps reconfiguring the intersection so that NB 13 traffic doesn't have to stop and NB 37 traffic does is a better idea.

Also, I'm not so sure that Hamilton County will want to take over the section of 37 from its intersection with 13 down to the Noblesville city limits so you might just end up with yet another discontinuous highway rather than a reroute.

[silverback1065]

I wonder what the new routing will be in the fishers/noblesville area if that turnover deal happens

I think the general plan has been to shift it out to SR 13 since they intersect north of Lapel, but it would seem some sort of Lapel bypass would be necessary given the turns on that route.

That makes the most sense but I wonder what it will be called from 32/38 to 13, SR437? Where 13 and 37 cross, they should put a roundabout. I wonder how much traffic will change.
All along 37 you can see signs that read "limited access road under study" or something to the effect of that. It still angers me that fishers one of the chief complainers along this route adds another light to make traffic worse along 37 at 135th

13 and 37 have a multiplex south of Elwood.  The northern end has a traffic light.  The southern end is just a T intersection with NB 13 traffic having to stop.  Is it possible you're thinking of something other than 13/37?

I was referring to the T, my thinking is rerouting 37 could make it necessary to have something like that so people can follow 37 better, but it may not be not sure how traffic will change as a result.

A roundabout with only 3 spokes would be interesting.  I also don't know how well a roundabout works in an area where the Speed Limit is 55 on the roads and traffic is averaging about 60.  Perhaps reconfiguring the intersection so that NB 13 traffic doesn't have to stop and NB 37 traffic does is a better idea.

Also, I'm not so sure that Hamilton County will want to take over the section of 37 from its intersection with 13 down to the Noblesville city limits so you might just end up with yet another discontinuous highway rather than a reroute.

Making 37 discontinuous would be very bizarre, it would be cosigned with 69 until 116th, then disappear. I hope indot doesn't do that, but look at what they did in Lafayette. I still think 37 is still one of the more important state roads.

[NWI_Irish96]

Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

[silverback1065]

Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

Is this is why 37 isn't signed from Marion to FT Wayne?

[NWI_Irish96]

Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

Is this is why 37 isn't signed from Marion to FT Wayne?

I would assume so. 

[mukade]

Depending on the final decision on the routing of 69, 37 could really disappear entirely between Bloomington and Noblesville.  Yes, we like the concept of continuous routes, but there's no real need to sign 37 over all those miles of interstate just to make it continuous.  INDOT doesn't do it for any other state highway.

Is this is why 37 isn't signed from Marion to FT Wayne?

I would assume so. 

SR 37 could/should disappear north of Bloomington (unless they renumber SR 75). SR 37 used to end in Indy before it was extended northeast. The part from Fort Wayne to Ohio was SR 14 at one time, and I think the part around Indy, Noblesville, and Elwood was SR 13.

Once I-69 is completed, I would say SR 37 will have lost most of its significance so need for an illogical discontinuous route.

[thefro]

http://www.courierpress.com/news/state/indot-next-section-of-i69-to-open-by-end-of-year_33067114

Good I-69 update article in the Evansville paper

- Section 4 still on track to open this year, will put a lot of heavy truck traffic onto I-69 that current uses curvy state roads.
- Section 6 could be another private/public partnership, will not be a toll road
- They anticipate the ROD for Section 6 by early 2018.
- State Senator Luke Kenley (chair of Indiana Senate Appropriations Committee) says he expects they will tackle the funding mechanism for Section 6 in the 2017 budget.

[The Ghostbuster]

Does anyone know when they might start putting exit numbers on the existing SR 37 exits? Or will they hold off until more of the freeway conversion is completed?

[iBallasticwolf2]

Does anyone know when they might start putting exit numbers on the existing SR 37 exits? Or will they hold off until more of the freeway conversion is completed?

I would think they would hold off until most of the freeway conversion is complete

[thefro]

Does anyone know when they might start putting exit numbers on the existing SR 37 exits? Or will they hold off until more of the freeway conversion is completed?

I would think they would hold off until most of the freeway conversion is complete

I doubt they'll do anything before Section 4 fully opens (I don't even think we have the official exit #s for that yet).  So late 2015 would be the absolute earliest.  Might as well wait for most of the work to be done at that point since Section 5 is scheduled to be complete by the end of 2016.

[tdindy88]

Signage plans for Section 4 a while back ago showed that the SR 45 interchange would be Exit 98, the SR 445 interchange would be Exit 104 and the SR 37 interchange would be Exit 114. You can kind of figure out the other exit numbers from there, that and I posted a list elsewhere on this thread about the possible exits.

[thefro]

From the Bloomington Herald-Times on Monday (behind paywall), we have the proposed Section 5 Exit numbers:

Q: We know I-69 is coming and soon it will be in Bloomington. I was wondering, can you could find out what will be the exit numbers for the Bloomington exits?


I'm curious as to what I-69 exit I will be eventually instructing visitors they need to use.


M.D., Bloomington


A: Tony Carpenter, public information coordinator with I-69 Development Partners, explained that state and federal highway miles are numbered from south to north and west to east, with the numbers being mileage-based.


Before the new section opened between Evansville and Crane, the numbers for the pre-existing I-69 in northeastern Indiana were increased by 200.


The proposed exit numbers for section 5 are: Fullerton Pike, exit 115; Tapp Road, exit 116; Ind. 45/Second St., exit 117; Ind. 48/Third Street, exit 118; eastbound Ind. 45/46 Bypass, exit 120A; westbound Ind. 46, exit 120B; North Walnut Street/Business Ind. 37 (southbound only), exit 123; Sample Road, exit 125; and Liberty Church Road, exit 134.


The intersection of I-69 and Ind. 37 is part of section 4 and will be numbered 114.

[Henry]

So what will become of the renumbered exits on the already-existing I-69 once the extension reaches Indianapolis? The newer sections will total 183 miles instead of the implied 200, so it should be interesting to see.

[silverback1065]

So what will become of the renumbered exits on the already-existing I-69 once the extension reaches Indianapolis? The newer sections will total 183 miles instead of the implied 200, so it should be interesting to see.

Already been settled, they decided to add an even 200 to make it easier for drivers, they say the missing mileage is made up on the 465 cosigning.
Even though it really doesn't they gap will be unnoticeable by the average driver

[andy]

Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

How common is this?

And by the way, I am told there is finally some concrete under the SR45 overpass.

[Grzrd]

Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

This post contains a couple of examples, but I cannot recall a thread devoted to the topic.

[silverback1065]

Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

How common is this?

And by the way, I am told there is finally some concrete under the SR45 overpass.

I've been down there working on unrelated projects and the progress I've seen is the vernal pike bridge is being built, the center pier to be exact, and they appear to be expanding the SR 48 bridge. Also it looks like a bridge is being built at acuff road

[US 41]

Is there a thread elsewhere (General Highway talk perhaps) about other 'fudged' numbers to fit construction or other circumstance of mileage mismatches?

How common is this?

And by the way, I am told there is finally some concrete under the SR45 overpass.

I've been down there working on unrelated projects and the progress I've seen is the vernal pike bridge is being built, the center pier to be exact, and they appear to be expanding the SR 48 bridge. Also it looks like a bridge is being built at acuff road

They are also constructing an overpass for Rockport Road and the left shoulder is closed for some reason between at least SR 46 and Fullerton Pike (that's the section I drove Sunday night).

[tdindy88]

The left shoulder should be where they are constructing the new travel lane to make the highway six lanes through Bloomington.

[silverback1065]

The left shoulder should be where they are constructing the new travel lane to make the highway six lanes through Bloomington.

o really, will it be 6 lanes from the 37 split to sr 46/45?