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Interstate 894

Started by Chrysler375Freeway, October 21, 2021, 03:41:42 PM

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Chrysler375Freeway

Interstate 894 is signed and exists, yet it's completely concurrent with two 2di interstates. Wouldn't that justify its decommissioning? Or is it too important to be decommissioned?


thspfc

The number has been around for a long time and everyone refers to it as I-894. Frankly, though it is concurrent with I-41 for its entire length, the segment of it that is named the Zoo Freeway is least known as I-41 - if you ask 100 Milwaukee area residents to name the routes that run along the Zoo Freeway, I bet most would say I-894, US-45, and then finally I/US-41.

Chrysler375Freeway

So it still exists for familiarity reasons despite being concurrent and cosigned with two other interstates?

Ryctor2018

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 04:06:34 PM
So it still exists for familiarity reasons despite being concurrent and cosigned with two other interstates?

You'll find this around the country. Boston folks still say "route 128". Houstonians still use US-59 (though that is more recent). People in St. Louis still say Highway 40, instead of I-64.

Habits die hard.
2DI's traveled: 5, 8, 10, 12, 15, 20, 24, 30, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 49, 55, 57, 59, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 85, 87, 88, 90, 93, 94, 95, 96

Rothman

Quote from: Ryctor2018 on October 21, 2021, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 04:06:34 PM
So it still exists for familiarity reasons despite being concurrent and cosigned with two other interstates?

You'll find this around the country. Boston folks still say "route 128". Houstonians still use US-59 (though that is more recent). People in St. Louis still say Highway 40, instead of I-64.

Habits die hard.
"ALT 7" in the Albany area drives me nuts.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

US20IL64

I-894 has existed for decades, and adheres to the Interstate 'bypass' rule of even # 3di's. Same reason the DC Capitol Beltway got I-495 restored, even with 95 concurrency.

SkyPesos

Quote from: US20IL64 on October 21, 2021, 05:06:02 PM
I-894 has existed for decades
Hence the "old habits" mentioned earlier in the thread.

SSOWorld

Quote from: Chrysler375Freeway on October 21, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
Interstate 894 is signed and exists, yet it's completely concurrent with two 2di interstates. Wouldn't that justify its decommissioning? Or is it too important to be decommissioned?
I-41 doesn't exist - below I-94 at the zoo.
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As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
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Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

TheHighwayMan3561

WisDOT had a release back in 2015 or so explaining why I-894 was not going to be removed (the familiarity as mentioned, as well as maintaining a clear marked bypass for I-94).

I'd argue Wisconsin as the king of multiplexes has *worse* examples of stuff that could be removed.
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SkyPesos

I-94 have a better Milwaukee bypass than I-894: I-90  :sombrero:

I-39

If it were up to me, I-894 wouldn't need to exist as I-94 would end in Milwaukee and the Michigan segment of I-94 would become I-92. Then I-41 could be extended on the Edens.

SkyPesos

Quote from: I-39 on October 21, 2021, 09:21:59 PM
If it were up to me, I-894 wouldn't need to exist as I-94 would end in Milwaukee and the Michigan segment of I-94 would become I-92. Then I-41 could be extended on the Edens.
Why I-41 instead of I-57 or I-65, if you're going to be eliminating the Chicago-Milwaukee portion of I-94? The whole reason why I-41 exists is because IDOT was being a [insert choice word here] when Wisconsin wanted one of the three N-S interstates that end in Chicago extended northward.

I-39

Quote from: SkyPesos on October 21, 2021, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: I-39 on October 21, 2021, 09:21:59 PM
If it were up to me, I-894 wouldn't need to exist as I-94 would end in Milwaukee and the Michigan segment of I-94 would become I-92. Then I-41 could be extended on the Edens.
Why I-41 instead of I-57 or I-65, if you're going to be eliminating the Chicago-Milwaukee portion of I-94? The whole reason why I-41 exists is because IDOT was being a [insert choice word here] when Wisconsin wanted one of the three N-S interstates that end in Chicago extended northward.

I guess that would work too, though one of those running up the I-43 corridor would make more sense. I don't have a problem with I-41 though, except for the part where it multiplexes I-94.

dvferyance

#13
Oh here we go again. This has been discussed like 85 times before. And I will say it again why not truncate I-41 to the zoo? The duplex down to the Illinois state line is unnecessary and everyone calls that part I-94. South of the zoo it can be signed as US-41.

kurumi

I-894 is Michael Bolton's character in Office Space, asking why he should have to change his name because of I-41
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triplemultiplex

894 is redundant; it should be removed.  The 'bypass' rationale doesn't hold water for me.  It's just useless nostalgia clutter.
It would be like if OKC retained the part of I-240 subsumed by I-44.

If it were up to me, all those 894 signs would be on eBay.
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

SEWIGuy

I-894 is fine and makes sense because it is an actual bypass of I-94.  It should stay as is.

Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 22, 2021, 01:34:22 PM
894 is redundant; it should be removed.  The 'bypass' rationale doesn't hold water for me.  It's just useless nostalgia clutter.
It would be like if OKC retained the part of I-240 subsumed by I-44.

If it were up to me, all those 894 signs would be on eBay.
Speaking of 240, Oklahoma is going to extend 240 along 44, 152, the John Kilpatrick Turnpike, the Turner Turnpike (44), the Kickapoo Turnpike, and 40 and basically turning it into a beltway around the OKC metro. Meaning's it's likely to follow 44 twice, with one follow being a wrong-way concurrency. But that's a topic for the Mid-South forum, which means I'm not diving too deep into that here.

US20IL64

#18
Changing all the highway signs in Chicago land, for rural WI to get 55 and 57, was a "no-go", I say. Too much $$.  :pan:   Many more drivers here, also.

You got 43 and 41, 20-30 years too late, so we kept our 55 and 57 ends.  :bigass:

And, for the hundredth time, 894 is fine as is. Agree that it's "too important". The Interstate system specifies bypasses of principle routes, and 94 supersedes 41 and 43. i.e. Don't mess with it!

All the "but they shoulda" well they didn't and glad did so!   :cool:


Chrysler375Freeway

Quote from: US20IL64 on October 22, 2021, 03:18:23 PM
Changing all the highway signs in Chicago land, for rural WI to get 55 and 57, was a "no-go", I say. Too much $$.  :pan:   Many more drivers here, also.

You got 43 and 41, 20-30 years too late, so we kept our 55 and 57 ends.  :bigass:

And, for the hundredth time, 894 is fine as is. Agree that it's "too important". The Interstate system specifies bypasses of principle routes, and 94 supersedes 41 and 43. i.e. Don't mess with it!

All the "but they shoulda" well they didn't and glad did so!   :cool:
I-57's south end is set to change, but there are already threads on that in the Mid-South forum, meaning I'm not diving too deep into the planned extension here.

Crash_It

I think I 41 is the useless one. Doesn't even need to exist. Why can't there be a consistent non interstate freeway for a change?

I-39

Quote from: dvferyance on October 22, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
Oh here we go again. This has been discussed like 85 times before. And I will say it again why not truncate I-41 to the zoo? The duplex down to the Illinois state line is unnecessary and everyone calls that part I-94. South of the zoo it can be signed as US-41.

^^^

This 100000x

This wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for the duplex of I-41 down to the state line. I don't even really get the point of why they did that.

US 12 fan

It was either this, I-47, I-594, or I-643. I-47 would have ended at the Mitchell Field Interchange and I was hoping they would have used that one. I-594 would have ended at the Zoo Interchange and I-643 would have ended at the Hale Interchange. I have to admit that I-894 is pretty much superfluous at this point and they should have gotten rid of it.

SkyPesos

Besides I-41, I-47, I-594, I-643 or a I-55, 57 or 65 extension, was there an option to keep it as US 41? Be like Michigan in this one with a long-distance US route freeway.

thspfc

Quote from: I-39 on October 22, 2021, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on October 22, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
Oh here we go again. This has been discussed like 85 times before. And I will say it again why not truncate I-41 to the zoo? The duplex down to the Illinois state line is unnecessary and everyone calls that part I-94. South of the zoo it can be signed as US-41.

^^^

This 100000x

This wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for the duplex of I-41 down to the state line. I don't even really get the point of why they did that.
Presumably because US-41 continues along I-94 to the border, and WISDOT wants to supersede all of US-41 south of Green Bay with I-41.



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