Where: Lunch Venue - Pettibone Park Shelter (street view - zoom out for map (https://goo.gl/maps/Wji8Cioffrm4o9nN8) - food choice left up to the attendee to get take-out.
When: 11:00 AM Sat Aug 22. Group tour planned to start between Noon and 12:30.
Major Features of interest include:
* the Winona Bridge (MN-43/WIS-54) is under construction and access is restricted - the new bridge is open, but the old bridge is being rehabbed) - access under on the west side (bike path) is blocked, I'm going to check out the island side once the lousy smarch weather stops.
* Winona Historic Waggon Bridge
* the I-90 bridge (replaced in 2016)
* the Downtown La Crosse Big Blue Bridges (we'll likely start with this set)
Facebook event (https://www.facebook.com/events/1518940461597155/) (Private as usual as I do not believe in Facebook using my events for stats and ads)
Meet Rules for Pandemic management
* Social Distancing is required - car pooling is at your own risk but if pooling I stronly encourage use of masks by driver/passengers. Remember, the mask is to protect each other. I will not be pooling. Mark and Brandon's meet photos are what to expect of ours. I will provide my cell phone number to drivers prior to the tour in case of any wrong turns.
* I will not be sharing my tri-pod for the group photo. What others do is up to them.
* Many private business are mandating face coverings and Minnesota is doing so on a state-wide level for indoor activity. Basically any time you cannot maintain distance (This include car pooling) you should be wearing a mask.
For those coming from states with quarantine rules, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois and Minnesota have hotspots. If you do not feel comfortable with it, I understand and respect your wishes.
I'll definitely be there. I think you mean 2020 rather than 2019 though. ;)
Oh man! So much going on in the Midwest this year. I'll need to choose which meets to go to wisely.
I'll have to pass on this one as I don't see myself heading out that way anytime soon, particularly with the COVID. Next year at OBX or in 2022 is more than likely at this point.
I am definitely interested, spent a night in downtown La Crosse back in 2017 and would've loved to explore the area more. The past two years, this has been the time of year I have made my annual summer trip to OKC. But this is far enough out where I may be able to move things around for this meet. :D
I will most likely be able to attend this one. It will be my third road meet! I might spin it into a longer trip up to northern Minnesota and back--we'll see how that goes.
I love the LaCrosse area, but unfortunately, I can't make it.
As we have our current environment - A park lunch setting is being considered. Yes, Wisconsin's restaurants may be open, but as far as I'm concerned - the regulation of them got derailed by politics which will not be discussed here. However, I am choosing to take precautions and recommend the same for all. More in July.
I'm officially in. However, I will be staffing a virtual conference Friday night/Saturday morning, so don't expect me at any pre-meet festivities.
I'll be there as well. Makes a nice day trip. :nod:
I intend to attend. I'm currently waiting for my time off from work request to be approved.
I would like to attend this but pretty sure I have a toy show that weekend in Cartersville, GA that is still on and commited to.
As of this date most places in La Crosse area are not open for dine-in and with the size of parties like ours, social distancing will be next to impossible in a dine-in setting. As such, I will be selecting a park area shelter with tables and recommending take-out options later this month or next month. I will be following state recommendations on social distancing/masking when social distancing not possible and strongly urge that all attendees do the same.
Those that have to quarantine upon return back to their home states please use discretion when attending this meet as Wisconsin (including La Crosse County), Iowa (including Alamakee County) and Minnesota are all hot spots.
If any of Iowa (not likely), Minnesota (yes) or Wisconsin (not likely) mandate masks, this meet will follow that
EDIT: MN enacted one. for us - it will impact any indoor activity.
Can you give me an absolute-latest arrival time? Like, say, noonish? I am going to be working until midnight the night before and will be driving 3 1/2 hours to get there.
I may come if it would be possible for me to keep socially distant and stay outdoors.
I own the old light fixtures from the La Crosse bridges that I bought in a government surplus auction, if anyone would want to see what they look like, or even buy one. It was my intent to resell most of them but then this COVID thing happened and they're all still sitting on my deck.
Quote from: Highway63 on July 23, 2020, 01:21:11 AM
Can you give me an absolute-latest arrival time? Like, say, noonish? I am going to be working until midnight the night before and will be driving 3 1/2 hours to get there.
Certainly, Noon will work but we can go a bit later.
Quote from: Mdcastle on July 27, 2020, 07:03:45 PM
I may come if it would be possible for me to keep socially distant and stay outdoors.
We are not meeting at the restaurant. We are going to a park (TBD in La Crosse) on a BYO lunch basis (pretty much on your own). i'll find a good size shelter to use. Nearky all time will be outdoors and like what took place at other meets, the sharing of tri-pods will not be allowed and you have the choice to go solo in your car or require masks wearing in your car. I will be laying out the ground rules next week.
Unfortunately it will depend on if my colleague can return to work so I can take that Saturday off. He has had to take time off due to multiple potential contacts with COVID, and although he and his live-in partner tested negative, now his roommates have tested positive which has reset the clock.
https://www.winonapost.com/Opinion/ArticleID/4141/Old-Wagon-Bridge-to-be-dedicated
This link is to a story about the dedication of the old wagon bridge that crossed the Mississippi east channel east of the city. This will be featured on the tour.
Itinerary. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U5j4jhp108q-US1VdWcb05vW-C4ks3jl/view?usp=sharing)
Please note this is subject to change, but the plan is to start the tour in La Crosse and end in Winona. I've also added Pandemic related notes to the appendix (Mask Mandates and Car Pooling) Regarding the mask mandates, we will follow what is in place on meet day. Remember that mask use protects each other, not just yourself.
We will be meeting at Pettibone Park. Check online for available take-out establishments and meet at the shelter mentioned on the itinerary. We will be beginning the tour at 12:30 pm so try to be there by then.
For those needing hotels, there are plenty downtown. Hilton (Hampton and Home2) and Marriott properties (Fairfield and Courtyard) and a Raddison along with some local chains are right there. There are Wyndham and Choice properties further out - north toward I-90. I recommend the Hilton and Marriott over Choice and Wyndham due to their reputation with maintenance during the pandemic.
EDIT: Slightly modified to cross I-90 bridge.
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 05:03:48 PM
Draft itinerary. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U5j4jhp108q-US1VdWcb05vW-C4ks3jl/view?usp=sharing)
Please note this is subject to change, but the plan is to start the tour in La Crosse and end in Winona. I've also added Pandemic related notes to the appendix (Mask Mandates and Car Pooling) Regarding the mask mandates, we will follow what is in place on meet day. Remember that mask use protects each other, not just yourself.
We will be meeting at Pettibone Park. Check online for available take-out establishments and meet at the shelter mentioned on the itinerary. We will be beginning the tour at 12:30 pm so try to be there by then.
For those needing hotels, there are plenty downtown. Hilton (Hampton and Home2) and Marriott properties (Fairfield and Courtyard) and a Raddison along with some local chains are right there. There are Wyndham and Choice properties further out - north toward I-90. I recommend the Hilton and Marriott over Choice and Wyndham due to their reputation with maintenance during the pandemic.
In Fredericksburg, VA, the only hotel with a desk worker wearing a mask was Choice. So be vigilant and don't book in advance.
Can traveling the I-90 bridge be thrown into the plan? Since that's new I would like to get that in. It would have to be done coming up on 61, east on 90, turn around at Dawson, come west, take rest area exit. It has to be done before the rest area because there's no access to EB 90 once you get off 14/61.
Quote from: Alps on August 09, 2020, 01:55:22 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 05:03:48 PM
Draft itinerary. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U5j4jhp108q-US1VdWcb05vW-C4ks3jl/view?usp=sharing)
Please note this is subject to change, but the plan is to start the tour in La Crosse and end in Winona. I've also added Pandemic related notes to the appendix (Mask Mandates and Car Pooling) Regarding the mask mandates, we will follow what is in place on meet day. Remember that mask use protects each other, not just yourself.
We will be meeting at Pettibone Park. Check online for available take-out establishments and meet at the shelter mentioned on the itinerary. We will be beginning the tour at 12:30 pm so try to be there by then.
For those needing hotels, there are plenty downtown. Hilton (Hampton and Home2) and Marriott properties (Fairfield and Courtyard) and a Raddison along with some local chains are right there. There are Wyndham and Choice properties further out - north toward I-90. I recommend the Hilton and Marriott over Choice and Wyndham due to their reputation with maintenance during the pandemic.
In Fredericksburg, VA, the only hotel with a desk worker wearing a mask was Choice. So be vigilant and don't book in advance.
I didn't have issues with
staff not wearing masks at all at the Hampton Inns and Home2 I stayed at last week in Michigan and Indiana - though one wasn't wearing hers properly (not covering nose), however I have had problems with customer neglecting to do so. In the area, if staying in small towns, don't rely on businesses enforcing especially in WI since law enforcement is thumbing their noses at the governor.
Quote from: Highway63 on August 09, 2020, 01:58:56 AM
Can traveling the I-90 bridge be thrown into the plan? Since that's new I would like to get that in. It would have to be done coming up on 61, east on 90, turn around at Dawson, come west, take rest area exit. It has to be done before the rest area because there's no access to EB 90 once you get off 14/61.
Can be considered - the interchange is a decent view going in from 14/61, but now that you mentioned it you have a good point.
Quote from: Alps on August 09, 2020, 01:55:22 AM
In Fredericksburg, VA, the only hotel with a desk worker wearing a mask was Choice. So be vigilant and don't book in advance.
Am I the last person around who really isn't bothered by the lack of masks? I'm from a county with surprisingly few cases, but still.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 09, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 09, 2020, 01:55:22 AM
In Fredericksburg, VA, the only hotel with a desk worker wearing a mask was Choice. So be vigilant and don't book in advance.
Am I the last person around who really isn't bothered by the lack of masks? I'm from a county with surprisingly few cases, but still.
It's all political views. Some people here are very argumentative about that stuff. Just don't engage with them.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 09, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Am I the last person around who really isn't bothered by the lack of masks? I'm from a county with surprisingly few cases, but still.
I, for one, am tired of seeing lots of selfish people out in public not wearing masks who don't care about public health and are ignoring the science of this pandemic. I was in Indiana this weekend and was disgusted by so many people flaunting the rules and businesses not enforcing their mask requirements.
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2020, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 09, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 09, 2020, 01:55:22 AM
In Fredericksburg, VA, the only hotel with a desk worker wearing a mask was Choice. So be vigilant and don't book in advance.
Am I the last person around who really isn't bothered by the lack of masks? I'm from a county with surprisingly few cases, but still.
It's all political views. Some people here are very argumentative about that stuff. Just don't engage with them.
There is nothing political about who catches this disease. Just wear a mask and it'll be over sooner.
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on August 09, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 09, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Am I the last person around who really isn't bothered by the lack of masks? I'm from a county with surprisingly few cases, but still.
I, for one, am tired of seeing lots of selfish people out in public not wearing masks who don't care about public health and are ignoring the science of this pandemic. I was in Indiana this weekend and was disgusted by so many people flaunting the rules and businesses not enforcing their mask requirements.
Most every governmental subdivision (most of which have been done by executive order instead of legislative action, which means they aren't laws) and business with a mask mandate make exceptions for individuals for medical reasons, as well as children of varying ages. Some exempt kids younger than 10; for others it's 6 or younger. Many businesses will accept the customer's word that they have a medical issue that makes them exempt, and some even post signs to that effect. Those businesses that choose not to let anyone without a mask enter the premises, even if they qualify for one of the listed exceptions in the governmental mask requirements, must provide for reasonable accommodations as specified in the ADA such as online ordering or curbside pickup. Not serving a customer with a medical exception for not wearing a mask is no different than not serving a customer with physical accessibility issues.
Personally, I choose not to question anyone who doesn't wear a mask, either to their face or publicly in an open forum. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they do not wear a mask for valid reasons stated in various exceptions. I don't regard them as selfish. Just like handicapped parking tags, not all infirmities are visible.
And I also don't buy into the "if you can't wear a mask for medical reasons, you don't need to be out in public." There are lots of reasons besides respiratory ailments. PTSD, claustrophobia, anxiety ... all are valid.
If I encounter someone not wearing a mask, I don't feel unsafe or angry. Nor do I inquire as to why they aren't wearing one or cause a scene with either them or the business, as some have done. I mind my own business. Wish everyone else would as well. That would do wonders in easing the frustrations so many feel over this whole situation.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 10, 2020, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on August 09, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 09, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Am I the last person around who really isn't bothered by the lack of masks? I'm from a county with surprisingly few cases, but still.
I, for one, am tired of seeing lots of selfish people out in public not wearing masks who don't care about public health and are ignoring the science of this pandemic. I was in Indiana this weekend and was disgusted by so many people flaunting the rules and businesses not enforcing their mask requirements.
Most every governmental subdivision (most of which have been done by executive order instead of legislative action, which means they aren't laws) and business with a mask mandate make exceptions for individuals for medical reasons, as well as children of varying ages. Some exempt kids younger than 10; for others it's 6 or younger. Many businesses will accept the customer's word that they have a medical issue that makes them exempt, and some even post signs to that effect. Those businesses that choose not to let anyone without a mask enter the premises, even if they qualify for one of the listed exceptions in the governmental mask requirements, must provide for reasonable accommodations as specified in the ADA such as online ordering or curbside pickup. Not serving a customer with a medical exception for not wearing a mask is no different than not serving a customer with physical accessibility issues.
Personally, I choose not to question anyone who doesn't wear a mask, either to their face or publicly in an open forum. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they do not wear a mask for valid reasons stated in various exceptions. I don't regard them as selfish. Just like handicapped parking tags, not all infirmities are visible.
And I also don't buy into the "if you can't wear a mask for medical reasons, you don't need to be out in public." There are lots of reasons besides respiratory ailments. PTSD, claustrophobia, anxiety ... all are valid.
If I encounter someone not wearing a mask, I don't feel unsafe or angry. Nor do I inquire as to why they aren't wearing one or cause a scene with either them or the business, as some have done. I mind my own business. Wish everyone else would as well. That would do wonders in easing the frustrations so many feel over this whole situation.
Let me close this out by agreeing with the last statement that H.B. said. I can be frustrated, but i just leave it be. I wear mine and move on quick without causing a scene. Last thing we want from this is attempt to fix a problem by becoming a problem. There are variables out there and interpretations are variant between everybody. Do I think everyone should wear a mask? Yes. Am I going to raise a stink? No. I went through a hotel in Elkhart that had a party of 20 in the lobby drinking - no masks. The staff was mad but no one did anything - or could do anything. I just walked through with mask on and went to my room. Two weeks later? Still healthy.
With that, lets return to topic and avoid delving into politics (no one did, just want to let you know)
I'm in for this meet.
I am definetly out, got a toy show in Carterville, GA that weekend and it is not cancelled and will not be. Hope you all have a good time!
Forecast for La Crosse...one week out.
Friday - High of 85, with increasing chance of storms overnight.
Saturday - High of 82 with clearing skies in the morning.
So has the meeting spot been determined?
Quote from: Mdcastle on August 21, 2020, 06:47:14 PM
So has the meeting spot been determined?
Pettibone Park Shelter here - Map (https://goo.gl/maps/2kGwh74h5iN98Yg57) - Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/Wji8Cioffrm4o9nN8)
Itinerary posted up-thread
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 05:03:48 PM
Itinerary. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U5j4jhp108q-US1VdWcb05vW-C4ks3jl/view?usp=sharing)
Please note this is subject to change, but the plan is to start the tour in La Crosse and end in Winona. I've also added Pandemic related notes to the appendix (Mask Mandates and Car Pooling) Regarding the mask mandates, we will follow what is in place on meet day. Remember that mask use protects each other, not just yourself.
We will be meeting at Pettibone Park. Check online for available take-out establishments and meet at the shelter mentioned on the itinerary. We will be beginning the tour at 12:30 pm so try to be there by then.
For those needing hotels, there are plenty downtown. Hilton (Hampton and Home2) and Marriott properties (Fairfield and Courtyard) and a Raddison along with some local chains are right there. There are Wyndham and Choice properties further out - north toward I-90. I recommend the Hilton and Marriott over Choice and Wyndham due to their reputation with maintenance during the pandemic.
EDIT: Slightly modified to cross I-90 bridge.
As quoted. I will have print copies to study in advance. Please also note that I will not be sharing my tri-pod with anyone due to the risks.
See the whole of the album on Flickr (https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQrLPsk)
On the way - a couple of errors - WIS 61? Well, in WI, it's HWY 61 :sombrero:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284353512_f097431266_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBssqh)
WisDOT decided to close the toilets (outhouses) in their waysides...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284201386_498f8b1133_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBrFcq)
Something tells me I should "Cut a Cross" here.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284356767_457291aef5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBstop)
Well if that is not allowed - how are we suppose to take a shit?
oh wait...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284205161_ebc61efdf1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBrGjv)
V.I.P. Seating for the river.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284208266_d5e43e0f49_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBrHf3)
Define "re-parking".
Ok, now let's see you "enforce it".
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284360892_afbe4d1fdf_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBsuBw)
HotRodHootenay: HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284363552_688a45de5e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBsvpo)
Everyone to the bridge
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284364797_5d22b64ecd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBsvLR)
Dam supplies power? Nope.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284367397_e9037bb520_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBswxF)
Look at the insects at the bridge - they're big!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50286693142_4f79f7bcf2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBErUJ)
Group Photo
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50283522548_b63f688e53_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBocpj)
Winona Wagon Bridge from the beach (this beach wasn't as populated as one 1/2 mile west of this point, but still....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50284361052_75bd8ccedf_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBsuEh)
Aghaming Park is a Winona, MN park. It's in the Town of Buffalo, WI :ded:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50283528183_e221822021_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jBoe5t)