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Started by Poiponen13, July 13, 2023, 05:25:53 AM

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Should US metricate?

Yes
38 (55.1%)
No
31 (44.9%)

Total Members Voted: 69

Max Rockatansky

Probably not.  You certainly aren't helping by annoying some of us to such an extent that we became anti-metric.

Renewing the call to merge all this P13 nonsense into "Poiponen13 in one thread."  This freaky deaky sardine salad ought to be discarded into the proper waste receptacle.


Poiponen13

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 02:16:19 PM
Probably not.  You certainly aren't helping by annoying some of us to such an extent that we became anti-metric.

Renewing the call to merge all this P13 nonsense into "Poiponen13 in one thread."  This freaky deaky sardine salad ought to be discarded into the proper waste receptacle.
Metrication is not related to highways. And this is about a real-world problem that I want opinions from you.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 02:16:19 PM
Probably not.  You certainly aren't helping by annoying some of us to such an extent that we became anti-metric.

Renewing the call to merge all this P13 nonsense into "Poiponen13 in one thread."  This freaky deaky sardine salad ought to be discarded into the proper waste receptacle.
Metrication is not related to highways. And this is about a real-world problem that I want opinions from you.

My opinion is that you are so annoying by way of flooding my new replies tab with spam that you made loathe the metric system by proxy.  The solutions I see to remedy the problem are:

-  Have a mod ban you from this conversation.
-  Lock this thread.
-  Merge this thread in with "P13 in one thread."

Of course you could STFU and not reply here anymore.  But we both know that option really isn't on the table is it?  This thread has (I'd argue "had") a chance to be decent without you in it.

hotdogPi

I was trying to figure out how much "charging stations" would display for price 40 years in the future.

Let me know if any of these are wrong.

Start with $15 per fillup, the current price for a supercharger.

Convert it from "per fillup" to "what would be per gallon", using a 15-gallon tank as a baseline. $1.

Not every tank is the same. Let's say that it's "per 100 km", similar to how gas stations are per gallon. However, not all cars are the same; "efficiency multiplier" is similar to MPG now. Assuming 25 mpg now, that's $1 * (100/25) / 1.6 = $2.50

Assuming 3% inflation, prices are 1.03^40 = 3.26 times as expensive. Let's bump that up to 4; there will be some periods of higher inflation. $2.50 * 4 = $10.

Prices would show "9.9", "10.3", etc. Due to inflation, the standard everywhere in 2064 is to round things to the nearest quarter, but per-unit prices like this often need more granularity, so it's in tenths. 9 is the most common last digit, but it's not universal. Prices go down significantly at night (keep in mind this is electricity) and become $0.00 whenever lightning powers the area from hitting a retrofitted tall building (encouraging people to use it before it dissipates).

There would be two prices, not just one. The second price is much lower and is the "slow charger" rate. Supercharger prices are in orange (toward the yellower side), while slow charger rates are in cyan. These colors were chosen because they needed to not conflict with red for gasoline and green for diesel during the transition period.
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kkt

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Yes, you have made your opinion quite clear.

kkt

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 12, 2024, 03:50:54 PM
US's metrication would unite the world.

Oh, that must be why no metric-using country has ever gone to war with another.   :pan:

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 12:35:57 PM
I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:38:54 PM
I hate that US does not use metric, at least very much.

Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 12:42:35 PM
I think that US shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you hate it.

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
I always get irritated when I think that US doesn't use metric. This should be fixed by metricating US.

I think that US shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you get irritated.
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Male pronouns, please.

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kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 02:10:09 PM
1. Will the US fully metricate in my lifetime (which possibly lasts until early 22nd century)?
2. Will the US have taken the metrication at least one step further in 2044?
3. Will the UK ever metricate its roads and human height?

4. Will Finland ever fully metricate in your lifetime?
5. Will Finland have taken the metrication at least one step further in 2044 by measuring TVs in centimeters?

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 02:23:57 PM
Metrication is not related to highways.

Neither is the frequency of elevator runs.

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 02:23:57 PM
And this is about a real-world problem that I want opinions from you.

1.  It isn't a problem.
2.  We've already given you our opinions, so why are you still talking about it?
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
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Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Poiponen13

Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Brandon

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Do you even know the history of the UK and France during the 19th century, especially the early 19th century?  I'd suggest looking up Napoleon versus George III.
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kphoger

Quote from: Brandon on February 12, 2024, 03:39:28 PM
Why would they use the measurement system of their then-current enemy?

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Bullshit.  Brandon explained it to you.  The UK and France were enemies.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Poiponen13

Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Brandon on February 12, 2024, 03:39:28 PM
Why would they use the measurement system of their then-current enemy?

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Bullshit.  Brandon explained it to you.  The UK and France were enemies.
Conversely, is there any country formerly using imperial units that metricated before 1950?

1995hoo

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
The UK should first adopted metric system when it had just been invented in France, namely in early 19th century.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?
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Poiponen13

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
The UK should first adopted metric system when it had just been invented in France, namely in early 19th century.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?
I don't like that the UK metricated too late.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
The UK should first adopted metric system when it had just been invented in France, namely in early 19th century.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?
I don't like that the UK metricated too late.

So basically "yes?"

freebrickproductions

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 04:27:25 PM
Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?

Is there any kind of a functional difference between a troll and someone who legitimately can't process social interactions?
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Big John

Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 13, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 04:27:25 PM
Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?

Is there any kind of a functional difference between a troll and someone who legitimately can't process social interactions?
A troll does it intentionally, while the latter does try to be better but often unable to do so.

kphoger

Quote from: Big John on February 13, 2024, 05:08:23 PM

Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 13, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
Is there any kind of a functional difference between a troll and someone who legitimately can't process social interactions?

A troll does it intentionally, while the latter does try to be better but often unable to do so.

The result is the same.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

kkt

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Brandon on February 12, 2024, 03:39:28 PM
Why would they use the measurement system of their then-current enemy?

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Bullshit.  Brandon explained it to you.  The UK and France were enemies.
Conversely, is there any country formerly using imperial units that metricated before 1950?

hmmm.  Heligoland, maybe.  British colonial possession starting in 1807, so it probably used British Imperial units then, and then given to Germany in 1890 in exchange for Zanzibar.  The Germans would have made them switch to Metric.

kkt

Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 13, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 04:27:25 PM
Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?

Is there any kind of a functional difference between a troll and someone who legitimately can't process social interactions?

But this may help:  A fanatic is someone who cannot change his mind and will not change the subject.

Max Rockatansky

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Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 13, 2024, 05:08:23 PM

Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 13, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
Is there any kind of a functional difference between a troll and someone who legitimately can't process social interactions?

A troll does it intentionally, while the latter does try to be better but often unable to do so.

The result is the same.

And while it is unfortunate that a cognitive issue may prevent someone from understanding why they are annoying it doesn't also mean (my opinion) that this forum has to cater to their continued presence when it has become disruptive.  When does this go the way of tolbs?

vdeane

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 12, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
The UK should first adopted metric system when it had just been invented in France, namely in early 19th century.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:12:41 PM
Also, I can't understand why the UK didn't metricate in early 19th century after it had been invented in France.

Is something wrong with you that you feel the need to repeat essentially the exact same thought in the exact same thread in a little over 24 hours' time?
I don't like that the UK metricated too late.
We know.  You don't have to keep repeating it.  Saying the same thing over and over again isn't going to make anyone agree with you.  Quite the opposite, in fact.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

dlsterner

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
I always get irritated when I think that US doesn't use metric. This should be fixed by metricating US.

Instead, the US should metricate Poiponen.  I think that this is needed.

GaryV

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 04:30:20 PM
I don't like that the UK metricated too late.
Better late than never?

Quote from: dlsterner on February 13, 2024, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
I always get irritated when I think that US doesn't use metric. This should be fixed by metricating US.

Instead, the US should metricate Poiponen.  I think that this is needed.

Yes - name should be changed to Poiponen10 so it's base 10, not base 13.


kalvado

Quote from: dlsterner on February 13, 2024, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
I always get irritated when I think that US doesn't use metric. This should be fixed by metricating US.

Instead, the US should metricate Poiponen.  I think that this is needed.
Making him exactly one meter long by  cutting off useless extremities as needed.



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