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Started by Tom89t, January 14, 2012, 01:01:45 AM

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jakeroot

This signal in Florida, US-27 @ Johnson St in Pembroke Pines, has left turn signals that use RYG orbs.

I was pretty sure this didn't exist, yet here we are... :-|

Remarkably, they replaced RYG left turn arrows that had no signage. The current design seems comparatively regressive.


Amtrakprod

Roadgeek, railfan, and crossing signal fan. From Massachusetts, and in high school. Youtube is my website link. Loves FYAs signals. Interest in Bicycle Infrastructure. Owns one Leotech Pedestrian Signal, and a Safetran Type 1 E bell.

Caps81943

Quote from: jakeroot on February 16, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
This signal in Florida, US-27 @ Johnson St in Pembroke Pines, has left turn signals that use RYG orbs.


That's not quite as bad as I expected, what with the change in angle, but still, in my opinion left or even diagonal arrows should be used here.

US 89

Quote from: Caps81943 on February 16, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 16, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
This signal in Florida, US-27 @ Johnson St in Pembroke Pines, has left turn signals that use RYG orbs.


That's not quite as bad as I expected, what with the change in angle, but still, in my opinion left or even diagonal arrows should be used here.

I would have used diagonal arrows for those turns myself. There's a very similar intersection on Utah's SR 201 with that arrangement.

Amtrakprod

Here's a neat pedestrian signal in Harvard square: https://youtu.be/cwYOLK53ls4


iPhone
Roadgeek, railfan, and crossing signal fan. From Massachusetts, and in high school. Youtube is my website link. Loves FYAs signals. Interest in Bicycle Infrastructure. Owns one Leotech Pedestrian Signal, and a Safetran Type 1 E bell.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: US 89 on February 16, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
I would have used diagonal arrows for those turns myself. There's a very similar intersection on Utah's SR 201 with that arrangement.

Well, this light is just a wee-bit before the stop line...

https://goo.gl/maps/voCihghNp1dYFVvf6

SkyPesos

Quote from: US 89 on February 16, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: Caps81943 on February 16, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 16, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
This signal in Florida, US-27 @ Johnson St in Pembroke Pines, has left turn signals that use RYG orbs.


That's not quite as bad as I expected, what with the change in angle, but still, in my opinion left or even diagonal arrows should be used here.

I would have used diagonal arrows for those turns myself. There's a very similar intersection on Utah's SR 201 with that arrangement.
Love how they thought out that intersection a bit. Could add an overpass for UT 201 in the future when the traffic warrants it and it's a functioning SPUI!

US 89

Quote from: SkyPesos on February 16, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 16, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: Caps81943 on February 16, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 16, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
This signal in Florida, US-27 @ Johnson St in Pembroke Pines, has left turn signals that use RYG orbs.


That's not quite as bad as I expected, what with the change in angle, but still, in my opinion left or even diagonal arrows should be used here.

I would have used diagonal arrows for those turns myself. There's a very similar intersection on Utah's SR 201 with that arrangement.
Love how they thought out that intersection a bit. Could add an overpass for UT 201 in the future when the traffic warrants it and it's a functioning SPUI!

I believe that's indeed the plan (not anytime soon, but I can see traffic getting bad there in the near future). You might also notice the intersection at 8400 West is built with something similar in mind. Both configurations date back to when 201 was first four-laned through the west valley in the 1970s.

Unfortunately, it will take a bit more work to upgrade the 8000 West intersection if and when more of 201 is upgraded to freeway status.

Caps81943


fwydriver405

Quote from: Caps81943 on February 17, 2021, 01:05:15 AM
Has anyone seen lower hanging traffic lights than these in Morristown, TN?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2056035,-83.3240473,3a,42.2y,155.07h,93.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7qHHx9-4qoKMO5NWSSQkyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Kinda like them not gonna lie.

Probably guessing this is the reason why, similar to this approach from the Bangor Mall at Stillwater Ave in Bangor ME:

Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on September 09, 2020, 11:12:43 PM
I'm going to ask the same question about this approach leaving the Bangor Mall in Bangor ME... span wire mounted very low compared to the other lights on Stillwater Ave.
The Bangor, ME location looks like it was done that way to avoid having the signal heads obscured by, or to avoid potential collision with, the overhead utility lines (I'm assuming the utility lines predate the signal).

mapman1071


UnumProvident101


Amtrakprod

Roadgeek, railfan, and crossing signal fan. From Massachusetts, and in high school. Youtube is my website link. Loves FYAs signals. Interest in Bicycle Infrastructure. Owns one Leotech Pedestrian Signal, and a Safetran Type 1 E bell.

plain

Newark born, Richmond bred

mapman

This example on Reservation Road in Marina, California is a good example of a signal-pole style in California during, I think, the 1960s.  There are still a lot of these within Monterey County, such as this one.

https://goo.gl/maps/fCUxFDTqvXhqoBrEA 

PurdueBill

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 16, 2021, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 16, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
I would have used diagonal arrows for those turns myself. There's a very similar intersection on Utah's SR 201 with that arrangement.

Well, this light is just a wee-bit before the stop line...

https://goo.gl/maps/voCihghNp1dYFVvf6

Yikes.  Indeed that pole-mounted one is clearly visible to thru traffic and shows a different color at least part of the time.  https://goo.gl/maps/oRepSqd4gbPt7iaN9

PurdueBill

Quote from: fwydriver405 on February 17, 2021, 03:26:36 AM
Quote from: Caps81943 on February 17, 2021, 01:05:15 AM
Has anyone seen lower hanging traffic lights than these in Morristown, TN?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2056035,-83.3240473,3a,42.2y,155.07h,93.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7qHHx9-4qoKMO5NWSSQkyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Kinda like them not gonna lie.

Probably guessing this is the reason why, similar to this approach from the Bangor Mall at Stillwater Ave in Bangor ME:

Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on September 09, 2020, 11:12:43 PM
I'm going to ask the same question about this approach leaving the Bangor Mall in Bangor ME... span wire mounted very low compared to the other lights on Stillwater Ave.
The Bangor, ME location looks like it was done that way to avoid having the signal heads obscured by, or to avoid potential collision with, the overhead utility lines (I'm assuming the utility lines predate the signal).

These Akron low-hangers didn't have conflicting utility lines but were still hung rather low...it seems to be an Akron thing.  https://goo.gl/maps/c3h9Jm26tef53hqo9  They used to have one arrow pointing left and one right, but were fitted with circular green LEDs more recently.  The only reason the greens were 12-inch was because of the old arrows, which were probably to emphasize that you can't go straight.  I say if they were going to go LED, fit 8-inch heads.  They put in 12-8-8 (and even 12-8-8-12) new old stock at Arlington/North/Home in Akron, so we know they have stuff kicking around. https://goo.gl/maps/41u9X9nweXXmGeqNA (There used to be very old classic green-painted Akron signals there.  In 2019, they put in "new" yellow ones--different signal heads in the same configuration, painted yellow, still 12-8-8.  Wonders never cease.  Akron had been losing lots of 12-8-8s.)

This pair in Akron may not look that low in the pictures but it strikes you as low in person.  https://goo.gl/maps/RKbyHR1dG7gi5JZ38  Maybe utility line concerns here.

DrSmith

Quote from: PurdueBill on February 19, 2021, 02:03:10 AM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on February 17, 2021, 03:26:36 AM
Quote from: Caps81943 on February 17, 2021, 01:05:15 AM
Has anyone seen lower hanging traffic lights than these in Morristown, TN?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2056035,-83.3240473,3a,42.2y,155.07h,93.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7qHHx9-4qoKMO5NWSSQkyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Kinda like them not gonna lie.

While not a signal on a wire, when this signal was added sometime in the late 90s, there were issues with the telephone wires. They had to come back and move one of the arms (I think the far one in this image as it is right through the wires) as there were a bunch of accidents from people not seeing the signal.

https://goo.gl/maps/ZXEF8L4uB4udw3Hh9

Probably guessing this is the reason why, similar to this approach from the Bangor Mall at Stillwater Ave in Bangor ME:

Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on September 09, 2020, 11:12:43 PM
I'm going to ask the same question about this approach leaving the Bangor Mall in Bangor ME... span wire mounted very low compared to the other lights on Stillwater Ave.
The Bangor, ME location looks like it was done that way to avoid having the signal heads obscured by, or to avoid potential collision with, the overhead utility lines (I'm assuming the utility lines predate the signal).

These Akron low-hangers didn't have conflicting utility lines but were still hung rather low...it seems to be an Akron thing.  https://goo.gl/maps/c3h9Jm26tef53hqo9  They used to have one arrow pointing left and one right, but were fitted with circular green LEDs more recently.  The only reason the greens were 12-inch was because of the old arrows, which were probably to emphasize that you can't go straight.  I say if they were going to go LED, fit 8-inch heads.  They put in 12-8-8 (and even 12-8-8-12) new old stock at Arlington/North/Home in Akron, so we know they have stuff kicking around. https://goo.gl/maps/41u9X9nweXXmGeqNA (There used to be very old classic green-painted Akron signals there.  In 2019, they put in "new" yellow ones--different signal heads in the same configuration, painted yellow, still 12-8-8.  Wonders never cease.  Akron had been losing lots of 12-8-8s.)

This pair in Akron may not look that low in the pictures but it strikes you as low in person.  https://goo.gl/maps/RKbyHR1dG7gi5JZ38  Maybe utility line concerns here.

thenetwork

Quote from: Amtrakprod on February 17, 2021, 09:37:34 PM

What?


iPhone

Looks like the top lens is the red hand / white ped crossing signal, while the lower lens is a countdown clock.  The setups I've seen had the clock on top.

US 89

Quote from: thenetwork on February 19, 2021, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on February 17, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
snip image
What?

Looks like the top lens is the red hand / white ped crossing signal, while the lower lens is a countdown clock.  The setups I've seen had the clock on top.

That setup, with countdown clock on the bottom, is all over DC and I'm pretty sure I've seen it elsewhere as well

mrsman

#3895
Quote from: PurdueBill on February 19, 2021, 02:03:10 AM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on February 17, 2021, 03:26:36 AM
Quote from: Caps81943 on February 17, 2021, 01:05:15 AM
Has anyone seen lower hanging traffic lights than these in Morristown, TN?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2056035,-83.3240473,3a,42.2y,155.07h,93.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7qHHx9-4qoKMO5NWSSQkyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Kinda like them not gonna lie.

Probably guessing this is the reason why, similar to this approach from the Bangor Mall at Stillwater Ave in Bangor ME:

Quote from: roadfro on September 11, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on September 09, 2020, 11:12:43 PM
I'm going to ask the same question about this approach leaving the Bangor Mall in Bangor ME... span wire mounted very low compared to the other lights on Stillwater Ave.
The Bangor, ME location looks like it was done that way to avoid having the signal heads obscured by, or to avoid potential collision with, the overhead utility lines (I'm assuming the utility lines predate the signal).

These Akron low-hangers didn't have conflicting utility lines but were still hung rather low...it seems to be an Akron thing.  https://goo.gl/maps/c3h9Jm26tef53hqo9  They used to have one arrow pointing left and one right, but were fitted with circular green LEDs more recently.  The only reason the greens were 12-inch was because of the old arrows, which were probably to emphasize that you can't go straight.  I say if they were going to go LED, fit 8-inch heads.  They put in 12-8-8 (and even 12-8-8-12) new old stock at Arlington/North/Home in Akron, so we know they have stuff kicking around. https://goo.gl/maps/41u9X9nweXXmGeqNA (There used to be very old classic green-painted Akron signals there.  In 2019, they put in "new" yellow ones--different signal heads in the same configuration, painted yellow, still 12-8-8.  Wonders never cease.  Akron had been losing lots of 12-8-8s.)

This pair in Akron may not look that low in the pictures but it strikes you as low in person.  https://goo.gl/maps/RKbyHR1dG7gi5JZ38  Maybe utility line concerns here.

I think the low hanging lights are better seen from the driver's point of view.  Obviously, if the lights are too low, taller vehicles can't drive under them, so something like this would only work at T-intersections.

"Traditional" signals in the city of Los Angeles would have one pole mounted signal on each far side corner.  Wider streets would get an additional signal on a mast arm.  But there are examples of wider streets that end at a T-intersection where the mast arm would not be used.

Here is the intersection of Crenshaw terminating at Wilshire:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0616458,-118.3191881,3a,75y,3.79h,80.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sffKbzXkA-yGPu--TEfdD-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Here is Lankershim terminating at San Fernando:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2335587,-118.3877706,3a,75y,10.8h,87.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCX-5_DQs_UzyYiL4wKK3EQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Edited to add:  Example with wide street ending at a t-intersection with a mast arm, Westchester Pkwy at Pershing:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9518278,-118.4391782,3a,75y,239.69h,84.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKvSRo7H6KRknNR7Gb5tI9g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

HTM Duke

Quote from: US 89 on February 19, 2021, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on February 19, 2021, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on February 17, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
snip image
What?

Looks like the top lens is the red hand / white ped crossing signal, while the lower lens is a countdown clock.  The setups I've seen had the clock on top.

That setup, with countdown clock on the bottom, is all over DC and I'm pretty sure I've seen it elsewhere as well

I believe the initial "What?" is a response to the use of two different styles/makers for the top and bottom sections of all the walk signals, and not the fact its a two section setup instead of a combined one section setup.  I'll admit, I cannot say I've seen a pedestrian Frankensignal before either.
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Rick1962

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I'll admit, I cannot say I've seen a pedestrian Frankensignal before either.

McAlester, Oklahoma says "hold my beer".

SM-T580


Caps81943

#3898
Quote from: Rick1962 on February 20, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
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I'll admit, I cannot say I've seen a pedestrian Frankensignal before either.

McAlester, Oklahoma says "hold my beer".

SM-T580

As does whatever this is in El Reno.

renegade

Don’t ask me how I know.  Just understand that I do.



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