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Title: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: fillup420 on January 24, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
I saw one today at the US 1/601 split in Lugoff, SC. Got me thinking about others that may exist.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: formulanone on January 24, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
A1A and FL 907 in Miami Beach.

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7746417,-80.1409062,77m/data=!3m1!1e3

It always felt to me as if it belonged in a pinball game.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ipeters61 on January 24, 2019, 09:01:40 PM
Not sure if it counts (connects a non-expressway to a connector for an Interstate), but the CT-32 North to I-395 North Connector ramp in Waterford CT: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4181372,-72.110249,705m/data=!3m1!1e3

Also not sure if this counts (DE-1 is kinda-sorta an expressway here but not really), DE-1 at US-113 in Milford DE: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9379694,-75.4302102,1039m/data=!3m1!1e3

And again not sure if it counts (US-50 and MD-90 are kida-sorta expressways but not really), US-50 at MD-90 near Ocean Pines MD: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3697917,-75.2720986,742m/data=!3m1!1e3

Here's also the Fairmount Park Interchange in Philadelphia: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0129668,-75.2044502,510m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2019, 11:59:14 PM
CA 152 at the eastern terminus of CA 156 comes to mind:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4538/38478446912_d408fd4b71_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Cd6Gu)IMG_9269 (https://flic.kr/p/21Cd6Gu) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4549/38478446752_ddea932de8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Cd6DJ)IMG_9272 (https://flic.kr/p/21Cd6DJ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: US 89 on January 25, 2019, 12:31:30 AM
US 189 and UT 52 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3134657,-111.6553032,17z) is the only Utah one that jumps out at me.

(https://i.imgur.com/UjEawOG.jpg)
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: jakeroot on January 25, 2019, 02:32:25 AM
Two stick out to me.

The overpass between 15th St SW and the Supermall in Auburn, WA: http://bit.ly/2CK3fVP

The other is London's infamously narrow Hogarth Flyover, built as a temporary measure in the 70s, but kept after Ringways was abandoned: http://bit.ly/2sTEBxz
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: TheOneKEA on January 25, 2019, 06:52:44 AM
US 301 south has a flyover across MD 5 north of Waldorf, just to the south of the new interchange being built at MD 373.

MD 24 has an overpass at MD 924 Tollgate Road, just west of I-95 in Harford County. MD 24 is an expressway in both directions.

MD 258 and MD 260 both terminate at MD 4 in Anne Arundel County and each terminus incorporates a flyover for traffic from MD 4 south, which only becomes a freeway west of MD 258.

US 50 westbound flies over US 301 to join the latter highway. However, both routes are freeway-grade west of here and US 301 is freeway-grade for a short distance to the north, so this might not count.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: dfilpus on January 25, 2019, 07:40:06 AM
US 16 and US 16A near Mount Rushmore. https://goo.gl/maps/L2DBGf7Xq5S2
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ipeters61 on January 25, 2019, 08:18:29 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2019, 11:59:14 PM
CA 152 at the eastern terminus of CA 156 comes to mind:

(images)
That just reminded me of something, CT-187 at CT-189 in Bloomfield CT. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8938363,-72.7494545,1167m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: SGwithADD on January 25, 2019, 08:25:27 AM
A few come to mind:

Western PA in particular has a lot of these flyovers and quirky proto-interchanges, likely due to a combination of the hills and population density.  In fact, it may make sense to tighten the definition further, to rule out anything that looks like a fully grade-separated interchange.  Similarly, does the Park Avenue flyover by Grand Central Station in Manhattan (https://goo.gl/maps/onPkhNz8mx42) count?

There are a lot of bridge approaches and trumpets that technically qualify, but I don't think are the intent of the post, such as US 11/15 and PA 61 (https://goo.gl/maps/XiUP1rTSJqF2) in Shamokin Dam.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: SectorZ on January 25, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
Salem NH, Flyover into the Rockingham Park Mall, https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7661891,-71.228861,430m/data=!3m1!1e3

Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Eth on January 25, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 24, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
A1A and FL 907 in Miami Beach.

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7746417,-80.1409062,77m/data=!3m1!1e3

It always felt to me as if it belonged in a pinball game.

Seems to be a thing on A1A. Here's another one (https://www.google.com/maps/@25.9302979,-80.1223957,327m/data=!3m1!1e3) a bit to the north at FL 826. And another one (https://www.google.com/maps/@25.9858956,-80.1197272,292m/data=!3m1!1e3) at FL 858.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: hbelkins on January 25, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
One was built for northbound KY 3 at KY 645 in Inez.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: kurumi on January 25, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
Here's a "fly-under" at CA 49/108 in Sonora: https://goo.gl/maps/dLaQ1xb7ZWk

Neither route is a freeway or expressway at this point, though CA 108 does become a super-2 (with an at-grade and a few interchanges) to the east.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: RobbieL2415 on January 25, 2019, 08:30:27 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 25, 2019, 08:18:29 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2019, 11:59:14 PM
CA 152 at the eastern terminus of CA 156 comes to mind:

(images)
That just reminded me of something, CT-187 at CT-189 in Bloomfield CT. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8938363,-72.7494545,1167m/data=!3m1!1e3
That was built to accommodate a planned CT 9 extension.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: roadfro on January 26, 2019, 01:31:41 PM
Las Vegas, NV:

Las Vegas Blvd northbound access to Town Square Pkwy (the Town Square mall/lifestyle center)
Google Map (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0660495,-115.1728693,242m/data=!3m1!1e3) & Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/Rbom9MUGcrp)
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Evan_Th on January 26, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
US 101 and SR 104 outside Discovery Bay, in the Olympic Peninsula of Washington:  https://binged.it/2MBhnVN
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Bitmapped on January 26, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 25, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
One was built for northbound KY 3 at KY 645 in Inez.

What is the point of this flyover? Neither route is particularly busy.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: pianocello on January 26, 2019, 05:07:19 PM
Florida SR 436 and Red Bug Lake Rd NE of Orlando: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6476237,-81.3227247,17.69z
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
FL 520 onto FL 50:

https://flic.kr/p/S7SAMN
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Ben114 on January 26, 2019, 05:17:45 PM
Open to debate, but Charlesgate over Beacon St and Commonwealth Ave in Downtown Boston.
Boston, Massachusetts
https://goo.gl/maps/YwtyEEW9GMS2 (http://boston,%20massachusetts
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 26, 2019, 05:17:45 PM
Open to debate, but Charlesgate over Beacon St and Commonwealth Ave in Downtown Boston.
Boston, Massachusetts (https://goo.gl/maps/YwtyEEW9GMS2)

(Fixed your link.)

Charlesgate is just an overpass, nothing special there.  But at its interchange with Storrow Dr, the north-to-west movement could be considered a flyover.  However, Storrow Dr at that point is fairly freeway-ish.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on January 26, 2019, 04:56:23 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on January 25, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
One was built for northbound KY 3 at KY 645 in Inez.

What is the point of this flyover? Neither route is particularly busy.

KY-645 is a four-lane highway, so it's not completely out of place.  But it's a great example nonetheless.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
FL 520 onto FL 50:

https://flic.kr/p/S7SAMN

To my eyes, that's just a three-way interchange.  Plenty of non-freeway examples of that out there;  I can think of several off the top of my head in Texas.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2019, 05:43:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
FL 520 onto FL 50:

https://flic.kr/p/S7SAMN

To my eyes, that's just a three-way interchange.  Plenty of non-freeway examples of that out there;  I can think of several off the top of my head in Texas.

Oddly enough that interchange at FL 50/520 has four movements despite both being expressways.  The only movement on that flyover is FL 520 west to FL 50 west.  In the example I gave regarding CA 152 and CA 156 only three movements are available.  Traffic wanting to go from CA 156 east to CA 152 have to exit on Casa de Fruita Parkway and U-turn. 
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Roadsguy on January 26, 2019, 08:14:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
FL 520 onto FL 50:

https://flic.kr/p/S7SAMN

To my eyes, that's just a three-way interchange.  Plenty of non-freeway examples of that out there;  I can think of several off the top of my head in Texas.

I'd argue that's a flyover, but the term is definitely being used very loosely in this thread. Some are just bridges and others are just trumpet interchanges with a smoother outer ramp.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Thing 342 on January 26, 2019, 08:51:57 PM
A flyover formerly existed in Hampton, VA at the intersection of Mercury Blvd and Coliseum Drive. It was closed and demolished soon after Coliseum Mall shut down in 2007.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1023/540090318_1805a13c33_b.jpg)
Photo Credit (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiLo9m764zgAhVrja0KHcLxAlgQjhx6BAgBEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fhiddencity_hr%2F540090318&psig=AOvVaw3gTJlRpwgsRDhVSdKN9EB8&ust=1548639902392118)

Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: froggie on January 26, 2019, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on January 26, 2019, 04:56:23 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on January 25, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
One was built for northbound KY 3 at KY 645 in Inez.

What is the point of this flyover? Neither route is particularly busy.

KY-645 is a four-lane highway, so it's not completely out of place.  But it's a great example nonetheless.

IIRC (and from past discussions with HB), it's a safety thing.  KY 3 has a decent length downhill grade, with the 3/645 junction at the bottom of the grade.  I imagine there were enough coal (or other) trucks not being able to stop in time to avoid crashing through the intersection that they put the flyover in to avoid the problem.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: jay8g on January 27, 2019, 04:17:38 AM
US 101 and SR 117 (https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1069862,-123.4641047,358m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en) in Port Angeles, WA is the same sort of idea.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: 1995hoo on January 27, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Eastbound Duke Street (VA-236) has a flyover into Landmark Mall in Alexandria. The mall itself died–Sears is the only retailer still operating there, and the former Macy's space is being used as a homeless shelter. There are plans to redevelop the site, so I'd wager the city and the developers would just as soon see Sears close.

https://goo.gl/maps/FQ6c26CNDwH2
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: wriddle082 on January 27, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Summerlin Rd at Gladiolous Dr in Greater Ft Myers, FL (unincorporated Lee Co south of Ft Myers).  Actually two flyovers here for the two heaviest left turn moves.

https://goo.gl/maps/giiBW1YFc4S2
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 27, 2019, 01:52:13 PM
There's a flyover over PQ-216 in Sherbrooke who's used as an access to the local university. https://goo.gl/maps/qqjCGgDDhDn
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: hbelkins on January 27, 2019, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 26, 2019, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 26, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on January 26, 2019, 04:56:23 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on January 25, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
One was built for northbound KY 3 at KY 645 in Inez.

What is the point of this flyover? Neither route is particularly busy.

KY-645 is a four-lane highway, so it's not completely out of place.  But it's a great example nonetheless.

IIRC (and from past discussions with HB), it's a safety thing.  KY 3 has a decent length downhill grade, with the 3/645 junction at the bottom of the grade.  I imagine there were enough coal (or other) trucks not being able to stop in time to avoid crashing through the intersection that they put the flyover in to avoid the problem.

Yep. I don't know if this was funded as an HSIP project or not, however. The downhill grade is on KY 645 westbound, though. The issue was vehicles pulling across the eastbound lanes of 645 to stay on northbound 3/westbound 645. There was a stop condition on KY 3 northbound. Personally, I think a signal with plenty of warning and an advance flasher system for westbound 645 would have worked just as well, and for a lot less money.

The 3/645 route links US 23 south of Paintsville to US 23 north of Paintsville and gives Inez a four-lane route. I'm pretty sure it was built with some specialty resource recovery (meaning coal) funding in the 1980s.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: skluth on January 27, 2019, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: Thing 342 on January 26, 2019, 08:51:57 PM
A flyover formerly existed in Hampton, VA at the intersection of Mercury Blvd and Coliseum Drive. It was closed and demolished soon after Coliseum Mall shut down in 2007.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1023/540090318_1805a13c33_b.jpg)
Photo Credit (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiLo9m764zgAhVrja0KHcLxAlgQjhx6BAgBEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fhiddencity_hr%2F540090318&psig=AOvVaw3gTJlRpwgsRDhVSdKN9EB8&ust=1548639902392118)

This surprised me when I lived in the area about 15 years ago. A flyover for a shopping mall. Who'd a thunk?
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: froggie on January 27, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
^ Wasn't the only mall in Virginia to have one, either.  There used to be a flyover from eastbound Mercury Blvd (US 258) to northbound Coliseum Dr to serve the former Coliseum Mall in Hampton, VA.  It was removed ca. 2007 when the mall was torn down and redeveloped.

In other states, the Mall of America in Bloomington, MN has two full semi-directional interchanges serving it (on MN 77 at both Lindau Ln and Killebrew Dr) as well as two traffic signals within the mall property itself.

And the Schuylkill Mall in Frackville, PA has its own interchange on PA 61, just south of I-81.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ErmineNotyours on January 27, 2019, 10:13:53 PM
The earlier reported Auburn Supermall ramp was used in radio commercials for the mall, where one person in the ad beamed, "A shopping mall with its own exit!"  And the other person gasped back "A shopping mall with its own exit!?"  No, you get off the freeway, wait at a light, and then you can take this non-freeway flyover.  I see the idea has been used at other malls.  You use regular roads to get back to the freeway.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: US71 on January 27, 2019, 10:46:20 PM
Not quite a freeway, but NB US 65 to WB US 62/412 north of Harrison, AR

https://goo.gl/maps/mtEPbojQgP82
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: jakeroot on January 28, 2019, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on January 27, 2019, 10:13:53 PM
The earlier reported Auburn Supermall ramp was used in radio commercials for the mall, where one person in the ad beamed, "A shopping mall with its own exit!"  And the other person gasped back "A shopping mall with its own exit!?"  No, you get off the freeway, wait at a light, and then you can take this non-freeway flyover.  I see the idea has been used at other malls.  You use regular roads to get back to the freeway.

Haha, very cool! I used to visit the mall a lot as a kid (not early enough to visit Incredible Universe, which looked like an awesome store), but always from the south end. No fond memories of using that overpass, as it wasn't accessibly from northbound 167.

The overpass appears to be so lightly used, the signals at its eastern end are one of the few fully-incandescent signals I can think of. (Meaning, the intersection hasn't been modified at all since construction).
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: MCRoads on January 28, 2019, 02:36:14 AM
There is a flyover north of Tallahassee somewhere. There are also some flyovers near ft. Walton beach airport.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: DJ Particle on January 28, 2019, 03:42:22 AM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 24, 2019, 09:01:40 PMAnd again not sure if it counts (US-50 and MD-90 are kida-sorta expressways but not really), US-50 at MD-90 near Ocean Pines MD: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3697917,-75.2720986,742m/data=!3m1!1e3

YMMV, but I wouldn't count it... MD-90 is a Super-2 freeway until it hits the Isle of Wight...
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on January 28, 2019, 10:38:57 AM
VA 3 and VA 3 Business (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.2911449,-77.4449843,466m/data=!3m1!1e3) in Ferry Farm, VA, although one could argue that VA 3 becomes a (very short) freeway at this intersection as VA 3 has an interchange with VA 2/US 17 Business just over the Rappahannock River. The flyover is westbound VA 3 exiting onto itself.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ErmineNotyours on January 28, 2019, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 28, 2019, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on January 27, 2019, 10:13:53 PM
The earlier reported Auburn Supermall ramp was used in radio commercials for the mall, where one person in the ad beamed, "A shopping mall with its own exit!"  And the other person gasped back "A shopping mall with its own exit!?"  No, you get off the freeway, wait at a light, and then you can take this non-freeway flyover.  I see the idea has been used at other malls.  You use regular roads to get back to the freeway.

Haha, very cool! I used to visit the mall a lot as a kid (not early enough to visit Incredible Universe, which looked like an awesome store), but always from the south end. No fond memories of using that overpass, as it wasn't accessibly from northbound 167.

The overpass appears to be so lightly used, the signals at its eastern end are one of the few fully-incandescent signals I can think of. (Meaning, the intersection hasn't been modified at all since construction).

At first the signs for the ramp were marked with yellow "exit only" warnings.  It was so little used that the mall thought drivers thought they were going back on the freeway, so they had the yellow removed.  This was reported in the Valley Daily News, which seems to be unavailable online.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Beltway on January 28, 2019, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: froggie on January 27, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Wasn't the only mall in Virginia to have one, either.  There used to be a flyover from eastbound Mercury Blvd (US 258) to northbound Coliseum Dr to serve the former Coliseum Mall in Hampton, VA.  It was removed ca. 2007 when the mall was torn down and redeveloped.

This is not a flyover, but is an underpass that does the same thing, a grade-separated connection from an arterial to a shopping mall.

Parham Road to Regency Mall, west of Richmond, VA. 
https://tinyurl.com/yakdpn24
Has been resurfaced since that image was taken.

There was a second one on Quioccasin Road about 500 feet away and it is visible in that image, but it was removed a couple years ago when they built a new major entrance to the mall at that location.  Previously there was no one major entrance, just a collection of minor entrances.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: jdb1234 on January 28, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on January 28, 2019, 02:36:14 AM
There is a flyover north of Tallahassee somewhere. There are also some flyovers near ft. Walton beach airport.

First thing I thought of was was US 319 southbound split from FL 61 just north of I-10.  Haven't been to Ft. Walton in a long time, but I think the FL 85/ FL 123 intersections were redone.

Quote from: wriddle082 on January 27, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Summerlin Rd at Gladiolous Dr in Greater Ft Myers, FL (unincorporated Lee Co south of Ft Myers).  Actually two flyovers here for the two heaviest left turn moves.

https://goo.gl/maps/giiBW1YFc4S2


Alex told me about this intersection when I visited Southwest Florida back in 2016.  I actually checked this intersection out driving around Ft. Myers.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: abefroman329 on January 28, 2019, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 27, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Eastbound Duke Street (VA-236) has a flyover into Landmark Mall in Alexandria. The mall itself died–Sears is the only retailer still operating there, and the former Macy's space is being used as a homeless shelter. There are plans to redevelop the site, so I'd wager the city and the developers would just as soon see Sears close.

https://goo.gl/maps/FQ6c26CNDwH2
I thought of that when I saw Thing 342's post.  Even when I used to go to Landmark back in 2001, it didn't seem like the mall was busy enough to warrant a flyover.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: US71 on January 28, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I just remembered another one:  Business 71 to "471 Spur"/ I-49 connector
https://goo.gl/maps/1UPR9Nhq1oP2
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: kphoger on January 28, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I-49 connector

Isn't that a freeway?
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: bzakharin on January 28, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: SGwithADD on January 25, 2019, 08:25:27 AM

  • US 202, US 206, and NJ 28 in Somerville (https://goo.gl/maps/MPvG6Tztyi22)

202 is briefly a freeway from the flyover point to I-287. Another modified circle in NJ where nothing is a freeway is NJ 73's interchange with NJ 70. Come to think of it, NJ has a bunch of full interchanges with other non-freeways, like US 130 and US 30, not to mention the 73/38/41 set of interchanges.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Roadsguy on January 28, 2019, 05:41:04 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 28, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: SGwithADD on January 25, 2019, 08:25:27 AM

  • US 202, US 206, and NJ 28 in Somerville (https://goo.gl/maps/MPvG6Tztyi22)
202 is briefly a freeway from the flyover point to I-287. Another modified circle in NJ where nothing is a freeway is NJ 73's interchange with NJ 70. Come to think of it, NJ has a bunch of full interchanges with other non-freeways, like US 130 and US 30, not to mention the 73/38/41 set of interchanges.

Actually, there are several business driveways between this interchange and US 22, so it qualifies for this thread.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: hbelkins on January 28, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Would the loop ramp for southbound US 17 at Opal count?

https://goo.gl/maps/h7dftsoSPMx
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: US71 on January 28, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 28, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I-49 connector

Isn't that a freeway?

In that area it's sort of 50/50.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Beltway on January 28, 2019, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 28, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Would the loop ramp for southbound US 17 at Opal count?
https://goo.gl/maps/h7dftsoSPMx

That is an arterial interchange, or the portion of an ultimate design for a full arterial interchange.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: sprjus4 on January 28, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 28, 2019, 08:38:12 PM
That is an arterial interchange, or the portion of an ultimate design for a full arterial interchange.
How would it be a "portion"? Where else would you add ramps?
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: bing101 on January 28, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/JxpqmMyNWiN2 (https://goo.gl/maps/JxpqmMyNWiN2)

Philippines is well known for having some streets with non freeway flyovers though.  In this case its Lazatin Blvd @ Jose Abad Santos Ave in San Fernando, Pampanga.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Hurricane Rex on January 28, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
Here's one (though its merging on and not off) 3 mile Road merging with OR 18 at McMinnville, OR OR-18

https://goo.gl/maps/7xCvb3XFEcA2

LG-TP260

Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: kphoger on January 29, 2019, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 28, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/JxpqmMyNWiN2 (https://goo.gl/maps/JxpqmMyNWiN2)

Philippines is well known for having some streets with non freeway flyovers though.  In this case its Lazatin Blvd @ Jose Abad Santos Ave in San Fernando, Pampanga.


Isn't that just a tight diamond interchange?
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: johndoe on January 29, 2019, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: roadfro on January 26, 2019, 01:31:41 PM
Las Vegas, NV:

Las Vegas Blvd northbound access to Town Square Pkwy (the Town Square mall/lifestyle center)
Google Map (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0660495,-115.1728693,242m/data=!3m1!1e3) & Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/Rbom9MUGcrp)
Boy that one really stands out as weird to me.  Look at the short taper opening...you better not think twice about getting over or not!  I also like that every person on that flyover went through a traffic signal about 500' upstream  :pan: 

Every time I see an aerial of NV I think it's immediately after a resurfacing and that's why it's missing pavement markings...but I guess they just don't often do the markings?  Not really a fan of that.

Panning around Las Vegas led me to this one, which replaces a diamond ramp with a flyover to the arterial: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1005717,-115.1805034,219m/data=!3m1!1e3

Florida has been mentioned a few times but I haven't seen this one posted yet (the "echelon"):
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.9636857,-80.1476375,18z

A few other echelons are apparently planned/being considered:
https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20170520/bridge-road-plan-for-south-tuscaloosa-moving-forward
http://dot.alaska.gov/nreg/steese-johansen/sj-alth2.shtml
https://i4beyond.com/emailblasts/2018-07/#article1

Apologies if these don't fit the rules of the thread  :sombrero:

Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Big John on January 29, 2019, 09:55:50 PM
^^ A couple more planned echelons:
Madison WI https://vimeo.com/62373271
Pewaukee WI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g0hhyDbYWo
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: MikieTimT on January 29, 2019, 10:49:47 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 28, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I-49 connector

Isn't that a freeway?

In that area it's sort of 50/50.

The Fulbright Expressway is a freeway, but dumps off onto 71B.  Traffic lights close to the exit/entrance ramps, but nothing at grade after getting onto it.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Elm on January 30, 2019, 01:12:23 AM
In the style of a T-intersection with one flyover, there's one west of Denver for the left turn from Parmelee Gulch Road onto US 285 (Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=map&center=39.615572,-105.232686&zoom=18&basemap=satellite)). It's the first major intersection west of the freeway portion of 285, which officially ends about two miles to the east; there are a few minor median breaks in between. It's unusual among the interchanges on the expressway portion of 285 for including a left turn off of the highway. 

More in the category of partial interchanges, here are two where a fork in the road comes with a grade separation:

  • Vasquez Blvd (US 6-85) and Colorado Blvd (CO 2) in Denver (GMaps (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=map&center=39.794532,-104.938199&zoom=18&basemap=satellite)); there's another interchange involving the same route numbers a bit further north, as well, but there's more going on
  • Venetucci Blvd (former US 85) & Willwood Rd in Colorado Springs (GMaps (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=map&center=38.782584,-104.788387&zoom=18&basemap=satellite))
By the way, Venetucci Blvd used to be US 85 there before the swaps to get Powers Blvd onto the highway system, and US 87 used that road much further in the past. However, "US 85/87"  is shown on an odd little guide sign near the split as of June 2018 (attempted StreetView link (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=38.7818842,-104.7874107&heading=280.25)).
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: empirestate on January 30, 2019, 01:36:08 AM
Florida seems to love these; several have been mentioned already, handling heavy left-turn movements. In NYC, a couple come to mind that are actually fly-unders: NY 25 (Queens Blvd.) at I-278, and NY 9A (West St.) into the Battery Tunnel (I-478). Although both examples involve Interstates, they are really left turns in a city street context, not freeway ramps.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: 1995hoo on January 30, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 28, 2019, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 27, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Eastbound Duke Street (VA-236) has a flyover into Landmark Mall in Alexandria. The mall itself died–Sears is the only retailer still operating there, and the former Macy's space is being used as a homeless shelter. There are plans to redevelop the site, so I'd wager the city and the developers would just as soon see Sears close.

https://goo.gl/maps/FQ6c26CNDwH2
I thought of that when I saw Thing 342's post.  Even when I used to go to Landmark back in 2001, it didn't seem like the mall was busy enough to warrant a flyover.

Landmark used to get reasonably busy back in the 1970s and early 1980s. I'm not sure what caused it to decline so dramatically. Changing demographics in the area may have been part of it. Woodies going out of business certainly didn't help, and the Lord & Taylor that replaced Woodies didn't last for all that long. But that alone wouldn't have killed the mall. Perhaps there are just enough other better alternatives around here.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: lepidopteran on January 30, 2019, 09:35:43 PM
One Florida location that used to exist was in Miami Beach, at 63rd St. (SR-907) and Collins Ave. (A1A).  This one made a left on to NB A1A, and had a flashing red light at the exit to discourage wrong-way traffic.  The flyover was removed in the mid-to-late 2000s, and had a low clearance.
http://criticalmiami.com/2006/05/30/RIPstupidflyover (http://criticalmiami.com/2006/05/30/RIPstupidflyover)

Edit: The ramp being demolished:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/57/168285530_05ffea969f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/fSvqE)Busted flyover 1 (https://flic.kr/p/fSvqE) by alesh houdek (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alesh/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: bing101 on January 30, 2019, 10:44:59 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/Vt8ticXYkzK2

Tabang Spur Rd @ Manila N Rd another grade separated interchange thats not a freeway interchange though but between 2 streets in the Philippines
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: bing101 on February 01, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/Zpub6SZP7kF2


Air Base Parkway and North Texas Street in Fairfield, CA is not a freeway interchange but two arterial streets.

Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: Bickendan on February 03, 2019, 03:18:37 PM
Budapest has an interesting one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/47.48601/19.02765
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ipeters61 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Here's an oddball in Delaware that I forgot about: the connector between US-13 and DE-9 (New Castle Avenue) in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7247802,-75.5460565,305m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: empirestate on February 03, 2019, 07:53:17 PM
We seem to have a few different definitions of "flyover" here; did the OP intend one in particular?
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: PHLBOS on February 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Here's an oddball in Delaware that I forgot about: the connector between US-13 and DE-9 (New Castle Avenue) in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7247802,-75.5460565,305m/data=!3m1!1e3
Such looks more like a fly-under.  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Here's an oddball in Delaware that I forgot about: the connector between US-13 and DE-9 (New Castle Avenue) in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7247802,-75.5460565,305m/data=!3m1!1e3
Such looks more like a fly-under.  :sombrero:

Or just a partial trumpet interchange.

It is unusual and unneeded...must've been part of another grand plan that never came to be.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: PHLBOS on February 04, 2019, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Here's an oddball in Delaware that I forgot about: the connector between US-13 and DE-9 (New Castle Avenue) in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7247802,-75.5460565,305m/data=!3m1!1e3
Such looks more like a fly-under.  :sombrero:

Or just a partial trumpet interchange.

It is unusual and unneeded...must've been part of another grand plan that never came to be.
I don't know if I would say that such is unneeded here.  If one zooms out, there's another similar but small type ramp linking the two roads just north of the railroad tracks.  The two roads north of those ramps become one-way streets.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: robbones on February 04, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on January 29, 2019, 10:49:47 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 28, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I-49 connector

Isn't that a freeway?

In that area it's sort of 50/50.

The Fulbright Expressway is a freeway, but dumps off onto 71B.  Traffic lights close to the exit/entrance ramps, but nothing at grade after getting onto it.
Speaking of Fulbright Expressway, would the ramp from US 71B NB count?

SM-S767VL

Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: lepidopteran on February 04, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Here's an oddball in Delaware that I forgot about: the connector between US-13 and DE-9 (New Castle Avenue) in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7247802,-75.5460565,305m/data=!3m1!1e3
I wonder if that's not an "opportunity" ramp, for lack of a better term.  That is, since a bridge over the railroad needed to be built anyway, why not add a flyover/under while we're at it?
There's one like this in Lanham, MD  https://goo.gl/maps/LCrM1LvuKX92 (https://goo.gl/maps/LCrM1LvuKX92)

There used to be a setup like this in NJ at the northern end of the SR-33/US-130 multiplex.  Some time after the track was abandoned, the bridge was demolished, and the half-interchange was replaced with a signalized intersection.   https://www.historicaerials.com/location/40.25759443734952/-74.55034732818604/1947/17 (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/40.25759443734952/-74.55034732818604/1947/17)
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: US71 on February 04, 2019, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: robbones on February 04, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on January 29, 2019, 10:49:47 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 28, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 28, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I-49 connector

Isn't that a freeway?

In that area it's sort of 50/50.

The Fulbright Expressway is a freeway, but dumps off onto 71B.  Traffic lights close to the exit/entrance ramps, but nothing at grade after getting onto it.
Speaking of Fulbright Expressway, would the ramp from US 71B NB count?




I'm thinking yes. It's an odd thing: it's a flyover with a separate ramp & signal so you can do to Olive Garden.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ipeters61 on February 05, 2019, 09:59:25 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 04, 2019, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Here's an oddball in Delaware that I forgot about: the connector between US-13 and DE-9 (New Castle Avenue) in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7247802,-75.5460565,305m/data=!3m1!1e3
Such looks more like a fly-under.  :sombrero:

Or just a partial trumpet interchange.

It is unusual and unneeded...must've been part of another grand plan that never came to be.
I don't know if I would say that such is unneeded here.  If one zooms out, there's another similar but small type ramp linking the two roads just north of the railroad tracks.  The two roads north of those ramps become one-way streets.
But this loop ramp takes you from US-13 SB to DE-9.  If I'm on US-13 SB, the only thing preventing me from turning left onto D Street and going to DE-9 that way is a no left turn sign.

My guess for why it was built is that there used to be a subsidized housing complex on the road that the ramp forms.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ErmineNotyours on February 22, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Almost forgot about this: US 101 to SR 117, Port Angeles, WA (https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1077926,-123.4636149,17z).
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: ErmineNotyours on February 22, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
How about a non-freeway, orphaned state highway flyunder?  Boeing Access Road and Airport Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5072752,-122.2890676,256m/data=!3m1!1e3), Tukwila, WA.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: froggie on February 23, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
^ That one's more like a full interchange rather than a flyover/flyunder embedded within an intersection.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: empirestate on February 26, 2019, 01:08:42 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on February 22, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
How about a non-freeway, orphaned state highway flyunder?  Boeing Access Road and Airport Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5072752,-122.2890676,256m/data=!3m1!1e3), Tukwila, WA.

That's just a trumpet interchange, isn't it? Those don't involve flyovers (-unders). Or am I looking at the wrong thing?
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 07:49:05 PM
Surprised this hasn't popped up yet
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: sprjus4 on March 30, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 07:49:05 PM
Surprised this hasn't popped up yet
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That's simply an arterial interchange, not specifically a flyover.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 30, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 07:49:05 PM
Surprised this hasn't popped up yet
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That's simply an arterial interchange, not specifically a flyover.
oh, ok. Thanks
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: sprjus4 on March 30, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 30, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 07:49:05 PM
Surprised this hasn't popped up yet
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4615956,-110.847739,3a,75y,113.97h,83.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9fz9dZPTU4ssBbXHBMuFVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That's simply an arterial interchange, not specifically a flyover.
oh, ok. Thanks
No problem
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: roadman65 on March 30, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
Florida has one coming to Kissimmee.  US 17 & 92 at Pleasant Hill Road.

Then the one being built at US 441 at SR 46 near Mount Dora replacing a diamond interchange.
Title: Re: Non-freeway flyovers
Post by: TheStranger on March 31, 2019, 12:28:00 PM
The Kalaayan Flyover connecting Buendia (Gil Puyat) Avenue in eastern Makati with the Bonifacio Global City district of Taguig:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kalayaan+Flyover,+Metro+Manila/@14.5573176,121.0373606,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x3397c8f966535a67:0x176403828a5969d0!8m2!3d14.5573124!4d121.0395546