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Turns out the aviation industry has been doing this all wrong:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:04:04 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
Smaller planes like that, and private planes, should be in the 4000-5000 mph range. 2000-3000 mph is more reasonable for commercial airliners due to their extreme mass. Only issue with that is the extreme friction generated heated in the atmosphere. Imagine looking out your window and only seeing a huge fireball the whole time!
Imagine being on the ground and having all the windows of your home blown out from the sonic boom generated by the plane flying overhead.
Well they would fly at a much higher altitude, for lesser air resistance and being able to stay in the air in a thinner atmosphere due to increased speed and lift.
@Max R
Even 3,000 mph for commercial airplanes is barely cutting it. That's still more than 1 second to go a mile.
[Thread title edited for accuracy. -S.]
This is the 3rd time you've created a thread because of 1 comment I made LOL, but while we're on the subject, here's what I think reasonable, IDEAL, transportation speeds are, if all the engineering and safety kinks could be worked out:
Trucks: 90-120 mph
Cars: 200-300 mph
Trains: 500-1000 mph
Boats: 400-500 mph
Commercial Jumbo Jets: 1000-1500 mph
Average Commercial Airliners: 2000-3000 mph
Private Planes: 4000-5000 mph
Military Jets: 10,000-12,000 mph
Interplanetary Spacecraft: 500,000,000 mph
Warp-Driven Interstellar Spacecraft: 10 Billion Miles/Second
Warp Driven Intergalactic Spacecraft: 100 Billion - 1 Trillion Miles/Second.
Star Trek got it all wrong also with their slow ass ships.
Please, enlighten us on how warp drive works and how it makes faster than light travel possible. This thread is your opportunity to teach all of us plebeians how physics actually works. No need to hold back for the feeble minded. If you don't mind though, please tell me what lies beyond the cosmic horizon and what is at the singularity of your typical stellar mass black hole.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2022, 12:23:41 PM
Please, enlighten us on how warp drive works and how it makes faster than light travel possible. This thread is your opportunity to teach all of us plebeians how physics actually works. No need to hold back for the feeble minded. If you don't mind though, please tell me what lies beyond the cosmic horizon and what is at the singularity of your typical stellar mass black hole.
At first I thought it was the simple stretching and squeezing of spacetime to compress space in front of the ship to shorten the distance. You feel no acceleration because it's the space around you itself that's moving and not the ship. But it turns out, according to one enterprise episode, that it's a subspace displacement field that forms the warp bubble. How the anti-matter reaction energy gets converted into a warping of spacetime I have no idea. You should search up the "Alcubierre Metric" which is a theoretical solution to one of Einstein's field equations that could possibly be implemented to build a warp driven ship.
One thing that always got me with the Voyager series, was that they stated how maximum warp was equivalent to 4 billion miles per second, and when you do the math, it should only take them about 3 years to traverse the galaxy, not 75.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
This is the 3rd time you've created a thread because of 1 comment I made LOL, but while we're on the subject, here's what I think reasonable, IDEAL, transportation speeds are, if all the engineering and safety kinks could be worked out:
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The boldfaced is the key, of course. There's a reason why both commercial supersonic jets to enter service (Concorde and the Soviet Tu-144) were narrow-fuselage designs. Concorde had a 2+2 seating arrangement; the Tu-144 had 2+3 (and the Tu-144 was a complete disaster for other reasons having to do with design mistakes the Soviets made). Even though they flew at 60,000 feet, they still had to deal with the air resistance at the transonic speeds at lower altitudes, and the jumbo jets would face far more air resistance.
A swing-wing mechanism, in turn, works well on some fighter jets, but Boeing found there was a major problem with such a design when attempting to build the 2707 SST: The swing-wing mechanism would have worked in terms of allowing the plane to fly, but the weight penalty meant it could only fly with no passengers, luggage, or cargo, which is just a little bit of a problem for a commercial aircraft.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:31:15 PM
One thing that always got me with the Voyager series, was that they stated how maximum warp was equivalent to 4 billion miles per second, and when you do the math, it should only take them about 3 years to traverse the galaxy, not 75.
But it's also evident from the series that warp engines are not capable of continuous operation like that. They need to be 'refueled' same as any ship. Plus copious amounts of maintenance. Not to mention they could not simply chart a direct path back to Federation space due to hostile aliens and the usual rogues gallery of space anomalies baked into the genre.
Better yet, such a discrepancy is easier to explain away by assuming a writer threw out some impressive-sounding number without doing the math to see if it breaks canon.
Well just given the way the stars whip by, visually they are going at least several light years a second. So it wouldn't look the fast if they were only going 1 solar system per second. Many episodes of other series also contradict each other, such as seeming to go a couple parsers in a minute or two. Maybe I should start a thread on the stupidest star trek storylines/physics errors. My favorite is from the original series, literally the 1st 20 episodes are laughable for multiple reasons, but the winner for that series is in the Galileo 7, when Spock claims the shuttlecraft can't lift off because "they seem to be holding us down", implying that the grip of a few big apes is stronger than the engines.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
while we're on the subject, here's what I think reasonable, IDEAL, transportation speeds are, if all the engineering and safety kinks could be worked out:
Trucks: 90-120 mph
Cars: 200-300 mph
Trains: 500-1000 mph
Boats: 400-500 mph
Commercial Jumbo Jets: 1000-1500 mph
Average Commercial Airliners: 2000-3000 mph
Private Planes: 4000-5000 mph
Military Jets: 10,000-12,000 mph
Interplanetary Spacecraft: 100,000,000 mph
Warp-Driven Interstellar Spacecraft: 10 Billion Miles/Second
Warp Driven Intergalactic Spacecraft: 100 Billion - 1 Trillion Miles/Second.
So you just pulled random numbers out of your butt and decided to call them "ideal"?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
while we're on the subject, here's what I think reasonable, IDEAL, transportation speeds are, if all the engineering and safety kinks could be worked out:
Trucks: 90-120 mph
Cars: 200-300 mph
Trains: 500-1000 mph
Boats: 400-500 mph
Commercial Jumbo Jets: 1000-1500 mph
Average Commercial Airliners: 2000-3000 mph
Private Planes: 4000-5000 mph
Military Jets: 10,000-12,000 mph
Interplanetary Spacecraft: 100,000,000 mph
Warp-Driven Interstellar Spacecraft: 10 Billion Miles/Second
Warp Driven Intergalactic Spacecraft: 100 Billion - 1 Trillion Miles/Second.
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 01:14:12 PM
So you just pulled random numbers out of your butt and decided to call them "ideal"?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 02:23:05 PM
No, it shouldn't take more than 2-3 hours to travel anywhere on the Earth, that's where I got them from.
Please explain each number in detail, then.
But it would take more than 3 hours to get from Philadelphia to Santa Fe by car.
2-3 hours by plane. By car, the limit should be more like 10 hours to Traverse the country.
If a 200 mph car hits a 90 mph truck going the same direction, that's a 110 mph difference, which is likely fatal.
I'm against collisions in both cases.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
So is an undivided 55 mph road with one lane in each direction with people going 60. That's a 120 mph head on collision, yet people don't seem to have problems with those on this forum. Truck lanes should be permanently separated from car lanes. Most drivers wouldn't go 200 though.
You know where you aren't likely to hit someone head on at high speed? Remote, derelict and curvy mountain grades. :D
The current record for ANY boat for speed, set in 1978, was 317 mph. No one has come close since. The fastest train goes 286 mph. Please stop yourself.
If you're going to make up nonsense and invoke Star Trek as part of it, why faff about with all of these speeds and not just use the transporter?
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 22, 2022, 03:57:07 PM
The current record for ANY boat for speed, set in 1978, was 317 mph. No one has come close since.
People actually have come close. Problem is, they died.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
If you're going to make up nonsense and invoke Star Trek as part of it, why faff about with all of these speeds and not just use the transporter?
Transporter seems very short range in star trek.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 22, 2022, 03:57:07 PM
The current record for ANY boat for speed, set in 1978, was 317 mph. No one has come close since. The fastest train goes 286 mph. Please stop yourself.
I'm pretty sure there have been a couple 374 mph trains, and experimental trains even faster, but trains have broken 300 mph, that I'm sure of. Never heard of a 300 mph boat though, I'm gonna research that online..
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 22, 2022, 03:57:07 PM
The current record for ANY boat for speed, set in 1978, was 317 mph. No one has come close since. The fastest train goes 286 mph. Please stop yourself.
I'm pretty sure there have been a couple 374 mph trains, and experimental trains even faster, but trains have broken 300 mph, that I'm sure of. Never heard of a 300 mph boat though, I'm gonna research that online..
You proclaimed that people should travel by boat at 400+ MPH, while never even having heard of a boat that has gone 300 MPH?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
If you're going to make up nonsense and invoke Star Trek as part of it, why faff about with all of these speeds and not just use the transporter?
Transporter seems very short range in star trek.
It's only short range the scale that Star Trek operates on. Apparently the range was cited as 40,000 km (24,854 mi) in TNG (Memory Alpha's citation style makes it unclear whether this number comes from "A Matter Of Honor" or "Bloodlines" or both). Interestingly, that's within a few hundred miles of the circumference of the Earth (which, out of universe, is probably why they picked that number). So the transporter has a range covering the entire planet.
I know they've beamed people to and from high orbits, which can be 20-30 thousand miles in altitude. After seeing all of the original series, next generation, voyager, about half of enterprise, and 10-12 episodes of DS9 (I despise that one), those are probably the only episodes that have ever entered into specs about the transporter.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
I know they've beamed people to and from high orbits, which can be 20-30 thousand miles in altitude. After seeing all of the original series, next generation, voyager, about half of enterprise, and 10-12 episodes of DS9 (I despise that one), those are probably the only episodes that have ever entered into specs about the transporter.
Of course, all Trek rules are only rules as long as they don't get in the way of a good story.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 22, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
I know they've beamed people to and from high orbits, which can be 20-30 thousand miles in altitude. After seeing all of the original series, next generation, voyager, about half of enterprise, and 10-12 episodes of DS9 (I despise that one), those are probably the only episodes that have ever entered into specs about the transporter.
Of course, all Trek rules are only rules as long as they don't get in the way of a good story.
Except the storyline are usually extremely dumb. Like in the Galileo 7 episode where spock claimed the big apes were "holding the shuttlecraft down" when it was trying to take off. Or like on "Basics" in Voyager, how the ships computer just allows aliens who invaded to tell it to lock out star fleet voice commands and it obeys, and having bioneural circuitry but it can't answer 2 questions at the same time...Don't even get me started on "Threshold".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 22, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
I know they've beamed people to and from high orbits, which can be 20-30 thousand miles in altitude. After seeing all of the original series, next generation, voyager, about half of enterprise, and 10-12 episodes of DS9 (I despise that one), those are probably the only episodes that have ever entered into specs about the transporter.
Of course, all Trek rules are only rules as long as they don't get in the way of a good story.
Except the storyline are usually extremely dumb. Like in the Galileo 7 episode where spock claimed the big apes were "holding the shuttlecraft down" when it was trying to take off. Or like on "Basics" in Voyager, how the ships computer just allows aliens who invaded to tell it to lock out star fleet voice commands and it obeys, and having bioneural circuitry it can't answer 2 questions at the same time...Don't even get me started on "Threshold".
You do realize the original Star Trek had things like this?
The 1st 20-30 episodes of the original series were ludicrous, so I am not going to even get started. One main criticism of it I will give is the kids'toy design for all the consoles. Even for the 60s they could have done better. No ship's controls would be all unlabeled levers and random buttons. In the enemy within, spock didn't think of sending down a shuttlecraft, or even landing the ship to retrieve them, lazy writing. Voyager, Janeway's morality is so screwed up, and you lose track of all the copies of the crew via duplicates and alternate timelines, and in the next generation most of the characters are jackass snobs also with twisted morals, especially Troi and Picard. Enterprise at least had a good balance between realism and science fiction, but the plot is too confusing to follow, and I don't think Warp Drive and Transporter technology is realistic in only 130 years.
You do realize these are TV shows with the primary intent to entertain?
Yes, but for science fiction the bar should have been a little bit higher. When the master of all logic just doesn't think of a shuttlecraft for no reason at all, when we are supposed to just accept that big apes are stronger than the shuttle's engines, when they let whole planets die for political reasons/weird philosophies, and how they magically repair the ship good as new in 3 days after being 2/3 destroyed, and when warp 14 is achieved in the original series, but 10 is some theoretical impossibility turning you into a salamander in the very next series...they are going to get some criticism regardless of how entertaining it is. Q was 200% right in the 1st episode, humanity did not change. They didn't end all the political/territorial/beaurocratic nonsense, they just spread it into space. If you want to discuss all of this more, you can change the title of this thread to Aviation and Star Trek Reviews by MMM if you want.
you guys are hilarious
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
If you're going to make up nonsense and invoke Star Trek as part of it, why faff about with all of these speeds and not just use the transporter?
Transporter seems very short range in star trek.
It's only short range the scale that Star Trek operates on. Apparently the range was cited as 40,000 km (24,854 mi) in TNG (Memory Alpha's citation style makes it unclear whether this number comes from "A Matter Of Honor" or "Bloodlines" or both). Interestingly, that's within a few hundred miles of the circumference of the Earth (which, out of universe, is probably why they picked that number). So the transporter has a range covering the entire planet.
Do they ever explain why you'd use a shuttle for a trip that was less than 40,000 km?
Also, this thread just made me realize that the creators of
The Orville got around this issue by not having teleportation technology in their (ahem) universe.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 22, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
I know they've beamed people to and from high orbits, which can be 20-30 thousand miles in altitude. After seeing all of the original series, next generation, voyager, about half of enterprise, and 10-12 episodes of DS9 (I despise that one), those are probably the only episodes that have ever entered into specs about the transporter.
Of course, all Trek rules are only rules as long as they don't get in the way of a good story.
Naturally, but a lot of the rules are also there because they
make a good story. Like the 40k cap on the transporter–after all, if the transporter had infinite range, there would be no need for the
Enterprise. And no rules whatsoever would be totally boring; that's why they didn't ever do an entire series centered on Q.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 10:13:27 PM
The 1st 20-30 episodes of the original series were ludicrous, so I am not going to even get started. One main criticism of it I will give is the kids'toy design for all the consoles. Even for the 60s they could have done better. No ship's controls would be all unlabeled levers and random buttons.
In the 1960s, science fiction wasn't taken seriously, so the network refused to give them enough money to build anything better. One of the primary reasons that the networks started to see sci-fi as worth investing good money in was...Star Trek. (And Star Wars, of course, but that was a decade or so later.)
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 22, 2022, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
If you're going to make up nonsense and invoke Star Trek as part of it, why faff about with all of these speeds and not just use the transporter?
Transporter seems very short range in star trek.
It's only short range the scale that Star Trek operates on. Apparently the range was cited as 40,000 km (24,854 mi) in TNG (Memory Alpha's citation style makes it unclear whether this number comes from "A Matter Of Honor" or "Bloodlines" or both). Interestingly, that's within a few hundred miles of the circumference of the Earth (which, out of universe, is probably why they picked that number). So the transporter has a range covering the entire planet.
Do they ever explain why you'd use a shuttle for a trip that was less than 40,000 km?
Also, this thread just made me realize that the creators of The Orville got around this issue by not having teleportation technology in their (ahem) universe.
Well, the whole reason that Star Trek had the transporter to begin with was because, in the 1960s, the sparkly SFX were cheaper than it would be to build a model shuttle and film it flying around (which was of course the only way to do exterior shots back then).
As for reasons to use the shuttle, it kind of varies per episode. Often the stated reason is because there's something having to do with the planet or its atmosphere that would interfere with the transporter.
The comments about buttons and stuff on a starship remind me of something British author John Christopher once wrote. You might recognize his name from his best-known work, the
White Mountains trilogy published in the late 1960s (also often called the Tripods Trilogy) about aliens who conquer the world using mild control. In the late 1980s, Mr. Christopher published a prequel and made the following comments in a foreword he added some years later. I'm looking at it right now on my Kindle because the comments above prompted me to look them up. The context for these comments is that the BBC had attempted an adaptation of the original three books but pulled the plug for various reasons, and the story didn't follow the latter half of the first book very closely and didn't follow the second book closely at all.
QuoteWhile the second series was showing, it was discussed in a television program by a panel of viewers, among them the leading British science fiction author of the time. He was very critical of what he had seen on his screen. He commented on the fundamental improbability of the Tripods–who, he scornfully pointed out, had used mere searchlights in hunting the fugitive boys–being able to overcome the technological might of the human race. How could one take seriously an interplanetary invader who didn't even have infrared?
The remark about infrared is an interesting example of one of the basic weaknesses of science fiction: It is not very good at guessing the future, particularly in technical matters. When I wrote the books, infrared was little more than a laboratory tool; twenty years later it was in everyday use for switching television channels from the comfort of one's armchair. (Some older readers may recall that the very first remote controls were not infrared but optical, projecting beams of light.) For every roughly accurate prediction (such as the use of tanks as a military weapon, by H.G. Wells), there are scores, probably hundreds, maybe thousands of failures. No science fiction writer in the sixties, for instance, ever dreamed of the late twentieth-century innovation which was going to fundamentally change our lives: the World Wide Web.
It strikes me as a very interesting point.
Incidentally, in the prequel John Christopher poked fun at that other author: A schoolteacher ridicules the Tripods because one used a searchlight and said, "So it looks at though they don't even have infrared!" He was later one of the earlier people the aliens succeeded in hypnotizing.
Now, there are some things that science fiction deliberately overlooks in most cases, the most notable being time dilation associated with faster-than-light travel. Authors more or less have to ignore such things in the interest of telling a good story. But if you want a book that takes that concept seriously, read
The Forever War. It was assigned reading in one of my college astronomy classes and it raises some interesting points, including how two people who leave Earth within minutes of each other may nevertheless be aged differently through time dilation. (I won't say much more in order to avoid spoilers in case anyone is actually interested in the book. A warning for those who care about such things, though: The book was written in the 1970s by a Vietnam veteran and it is a product of its era. Some reviewers in more recent years have complained about how the story treats homosexuality in the far distant future.)
It's not just science fiction that misses massive future technology developments.
All the "Home of the Future" and "World of the Future" predictions mid-last-century (such exhibits as at World Fairs, but also in text and on TV) missed the potential for computers in everyday life. Sure, they had robots or flying cars, but didn't contemplate that we'd have more computing power in our pockets than NASA had for the moon launch.
Nor were most of the developments in communication conceived, both mass and personal. They had vision phones (that many people derided because who wants to answer a vision phone when just getting out of bed), but totally missed everything that you can do with your phone now and platforms like Zoom and Teams.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 10:24:41 PM
If you want to discuss all of this more, you can change the title of this thread to Aviation and Star Trek Reviews by MMM if you want.
If I'm not mistaken, if the author of post #1 (which is Max) edits that post and changes the title, doesn't that change the title of the thread? If so, that should totally be done! :poke:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 10:24:41 PM
If you want to discuss all of this more, you can change the title of this thread to Aviation and Star Trek Reviews by MMM if you want.
The universal translator is the most unexplainable technology in star trek. How does it make you hear the language as it's being spoken? It's not like the sound comes from the pad. It seems to come from the person. And how does it make both people hear their respective languages, simultaneously?? How does it make you hear something different than what's actually being spoken, that's more than a translator, and how could it make both people hear different sounds at the same time, with no interference or delay. Very illogical.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 23, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
The universal translator is the most unexplainable technology in star trek. How does it make you hear the language as it's being spoken? It's not like the sound comes from the pad. It seems to come from the person. And how does it make both people hear their respective languages, simultaneously?? How does it make you hear something different than what's actually being spoken, that's more than a translator, and how could it make both people hear different sounds at the same time, with no interference or delay. Very illogical.
You're probably wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts (la la la)
Just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax"
You know what makes total sense? The Babel fish from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 24, 2022, 08:30:32 AM
You know what makes total sense? The Babel fish from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Finally!
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 24, 2022, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 23, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
The universal translator is the most unexplainable technology in star trek. How does it make you hear the language as it's being spoken? It's not like the sound comes from the pad. It seems to come from the person. And how does it make both people hear their respective languages, simultaneously?? How does it make you hear something different than what's actually being spoken, that's more than a translator, and how could it make both people hear different sounds at the same time, with no interference or delay. Very illogical.
You're probably wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts (la la la)
Just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax"
You know what makes total sense? The Babel fish from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
That's the only technology I have an issue with in star trek. The most unrealistic and illogical in nature.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 24, 2022, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 23, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
The universal translator is the most unexplainable technology in star trek. How does it make you hear the language as it's being spoken? It's not like the sound comes from the pad. It seems to come from the person. And how does it make both people hear their respective languages, simultaneously?? How does it make you hear something different than what's actually being spoken, that's more than a translator, and how could it make both people hear different sounds at the same time, with no interference or delay. Very illogical.
You're probably wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts (la la la)
Just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax"
"Manos the, umm, hands of fate."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 24, 2022, 02:24:01 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 24, 2022, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 23, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
The universal translator is the most unexplainable technology in star trek. How does it make you hear the language as it's being spoken? It's not like the sound comes from the pad. It seems to come from the person. And how does it make both people hear their respective languages, simultaneously?? How does it make you hear something different than what's actually being spoken, that's more than a translator, and how could it make both people hear different sounds at the same time, with no interference or delay. Very illogical.
You're probably wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts (la la la)
Just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax"
You know what makes total sense? The Babel fish from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
That's the only technology I have an issue with in star trek. The most unrealistic and illogical in nature.
Voyager's bioneural circuitry is kind of silly. Let's take a computer, and teach it how to get sick with regular viruses instead of just the computer kind. (I know the idea is that the bioneural circuitry is supposed to be faster than the regular kind, but in real life we're already kind of at the point where the hardware isn't really the bottleneck when it comes to computing, it's coming up with the algorithms for it to run.)
The number of times the holodeck safeguards were disabled, the ease in which this was done, and the difficulty in restoring them afterward is all pretty stupid. I would have to imagine that if you were being realistic, disabling the holodeck safeguards would at least require Geordi or B'Elanna to go down there and put their root password in. Also, I would have to imagine if the software going nuts that often was a problem, you should probably just install a breaker box somewhere that just physically cuts power to the holodeck.
My wife, who does casino surveillance, enjoys Star Trek but loves to point out the number of instances in which she would have been able to solve the episode's plot in five minutes by pulling an image, if only the ship had cameras.
Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2022, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
while we're on the subject, here's what I think reasonable, IDEAL, transportation speeds are, if all the engineering and safety kinks could be worked out:
Trucks: 90-120 mph
Cars: 200-300 mph
Trains: 500-1000 mph
Boats: 400-500 mph
Commercial Jumbo Jets: 1000-1500 mph
Average Commercial Airliners: 2000-3000 mph
Private Planes: 4000-5000 mph
Military Jets: 10,000-12,000 mph
Interplanetary Spacecraft: 100,000,000 mph
Warp-Driven Interstellar Spacecraft: 10 Billion Miles/Second
Warp Driven Intergalactic Spacecraft: 100 Billion - 1 Trillion Miles/Second.
So you just pulled random numbers out of your butt and decided to call them "ideal"?
Have you met MMM?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 10:13:27 PM
The 1st 20-30 episodes of the original series were ludicrous, so I am not going to even get started. One main criticism of it I will give is the kids'toy design for all the consoles. Even for the 60s they could have done better. No ship's controls would be all unlabeled levers and random buttons. In the enemy within, spock didn't think of sending down a shuttlecraft, or even landing the ship to retrieve them, lazy writing. Voyager, Janeway's morality is so screwed up, and you lose track of all the copies of the crew via duplicates and alternate timelines, and in the next generation most of the characters are jackass snobs also with twisted morals, especially Troi and Picard. Enterprise at least had a good balance between realism and science fiction, but the plot is too confusing to follow, and I don't think Warp Drive and Transporter technology is realistic in only 130 years.
They didn't use the shuttlecraft in The Enemy Within because the show didn't have a shuttlecraft set or model built yet. Or a set for the hanger deck. You can learn a lot from Memory Alpha:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(episode)#Continuity
In universe, I guess you could say the hanger deck is out of commission and unable to be brought online for some reason that they never mentioned on screen...
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 23, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
The universal translator is the most unexplainable technology in star trek. How does it make you hear the language as it's being spoken? It's not like the sound comes from the pad. It seems to come from the person. And how does it make both people hear their respective languages, simultaneously?? How does it make you hear something different than what's actually being spoken, that's more than a translator, and how could it make both people hear different sounds at the same time, with no interference or delay. Very illogical.
You're probably wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts (la la la)
Just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax"
"Manos the, umm, hands of fate."
Manos is the superior viewing experience to an MMM thread.
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The 1st 20-30 episodes of the original series were ludicrous, so I am not going to even get started. One main criticism of it I will give is the kids'toy design for all the consoles. Even for the 60s they could have done better. No ship's controls would be all unlabeled levers and random buttons. In the enemy within, spock didn't think of sending down a shuttlecraft, or even landing the ship to retrieve them, lazy writing. Voyager, Janeway's morality is so screwed up, and you lose track of all the copies of the crew via duplicates and alternate timelines, and in the next generation most of the characters are jackass snobs also with twisted morals, especially Troi and Picard. Enterprise at least had a good balance between realism and science fiction, but the plot is too confusing to follow, and I don't think Warp Drive and Transporter technology is realistic in only 130 years.
They didn't use the shuttlecraft in The Enemy Within because the show didn't have a shuttlecraft set or model built yet. Or a set for the hanger deck. You can learn a lot from Memory Alpha:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(episode)#Continuity
In universe, I guess you could say the hanger deck is out of commission and unable to be brought online for some reason that they never mentioned on screen...
They still could have landed the ship.
Out of universe, that still would have been more expensive.
In-universe, the Constitution-class didn't have the ability to actually land and take off. (Nor did the Galaxy or Sovereign classes–which is why they made such a big deal about it any time the Intrepid-class Voyager did it.)
I mean they didn't even have to land, just get low enough and hover so that the crew could climb back on, using the warp engines. Drop some ladders down or something. The ship could have fired its phasers at the planet to hear up rocks near them even more.
No, they couldn't have.
Five cents, please!
It's a starship, not a helicopter. Its job is not to hover over a planet's surface close enough for someone to climb aboard. That would be like asking an aircraft carrier to beach itself to take on crew - only in dire emergency.
If they can fly faster than light, have gravity plating, thrusters, I'm sure they could. In the "into darkness" movie they were hovering in the atmosphere temporarily. I mean come on, they mastered Interstellar travel they can land.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 25, 2022, 07:09:50 PM
If they can fly faster than light, have gravity plating, thrusters, I'm sure they could. In the "Into Darkness" movie they were hovering in the atmosphere temporarily. I mean come on, they mastered Interstellar travel they can land.
FTFY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Star_Trek_Into_Darkness_controversy)
Correctly me if I'm wrong, but doesn't most of Star Trek fans dislike the J.J. Abram's movies? Aren't they also considered alternate canon given it they all stem from a branch in the original timeline?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2022, 07:37:45 PM
Correctly me if I'm wrong, but doesn't most of Star Trek fans dislike the J.J. Abram's movies? Aren't they also considered alternate canon given it they all stem from a branch in the original timeline?
As a Wikipedian, I don't care as long as it's capitalized right.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 25, 2022, 07:09:50 PM
If they can fly faster than light, have gravity plating, thrusters, I'm sure they could. In the "into darkness" movie they were hovering in the atmosphere temporarily. I mean come on, they mastered Interstellar travel they can land.
Hovering is very hard. Must exactly balance weight and force upward, and any breeze that may come along. Okay, for a helicopter. Not so easy for a starship the size of an aircraft carrier.
The Abrams universe is noncanonical. Fan fiction with an unusually large budget, not part of Star Trek.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2022, 07:37:45 PM
Correctly me if I'm wrong, but doesn't most of Star Trek fans dislike the J.J. Abram's movies?
There's been a long-running undercurrent with Star Trek films that existed before the Abrams films, which is it's very hard to turn the essence of Star Trek into a movie that appeals to both the fans and the non-fan audiences. There are only two films out of the 13 that are generally universally acclaimed; otherwise many of them are criticized for ignoring one side of the coin or the other. The fans' gripe with Abrams is he didn't even try to make a film for them. Ironically, I felt the third Abrams film was the closest to the "essence" of Trek of the three and my favorite, but many consider that one to be the weakest of the Abrams films.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2022, 07:37:45 PM
Correctly me if I'm wrong, but doesn't most of Star Trek fans dislike the J.J. Abram's movies?
There's been a long-running undercurrent with Star Trek films that existed before the Abrams films, which is it's very hard to turn the essence of Star Trek into a movie that appeals to both the fans and the non-fan audiences. There are only two films out of the 13 that are generally universally acclaimed; otherwise many of them are criticized for ignoring one side of the coin or the other. The fans' gripe with Abrams is he didn't even try to make a film for them. Ironically, I felt the third Abrams film was the closest to the "essence" of Trek of the three and my favorite, but many consider that one to be the weakest of the Abrams films.
While I did not like the "switching of roles" in Into Darkness between Kirk and Spock at the end, the backstory of Khan was really good and I have no problem with Benedict Cumberbatch's portrayal. In general, I love the Abrams series for just the shear look of it. Of the original 6 ST movies, the even numbered ones are the best and 6 really holds up over time. But watching 4 with the going back to 1986-1990 San Francisco, while a fun movie, does not age well.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2022, 07:37:45 PM
Correctly me if I'm wrong, but doesn't most of Star Trek fans dislike the J.J. Abram's movies?
There's been a long-running undercurrent with Star Trek films that existed before the Abrams films, which is it's very hard to turn the essence of Star Trek into a movie that appeals to both the fans and the non-fan audiences. There are only two films out of the 13 that are generally universally acclaimed; otherwise many of them are criticized for ignoring one side of the coin or the other. The fans' gripe with Abrams is he didn't even try to make a film for them. Ironically, I felt the third Abrams film was the closest to the "essence" of Trek of the three and my favorite, but many consider that one to be the weakest of the Abrams films.
While I did not like the "switching of roles" in Into Darkness between Kirk and Spock at the end, the backstory of Khan was really good and I have no problem with Benedict Cumberbatch's portrayal. In general, I love the Abrams series for just the shear look of it. Of the original 6 ST movies, the even numbered ones are the best and 6 really holds up over time. But watching 4 with the going back to 1986-1990 San Francisco, while a fun movie, does not age well.
The Next Generation movies came the closest IMO to capturing the time of the source show. That said, I don't think anyone is listing any of the The Next Generation movies as being favorites. The original Star Trek: The Motion Picture also was close to the time of the show but was also kind of bland. What I liked about the Star Trek movies from Wrath of Kahn onwards is that it gave most of the cast room to have more personality. The Abrams movies more or less do the same thing earlier films like the Voyage Home did. I can't really think of any Star Trek movies I dislike or I thought were bad. All the same, I think it's fair to say that Wrath of Kahn is the only classic Star Trek movies out of the bunch.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
The Next Generation movies came the closest IMO to capturing the time of the source show. That said, I don't think anyone is listing any of the The Next Generation movies as being favorites.
First Contact was pretty good.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
The Next Generation movies came the closest IMO to capturing the time of the source show. That said, I don't think anyone is listing any of the The Next Generation movies as being favorites.
First Contact was pretty good.
I really liked First Contact also. I would definitely would rank it in the top quarter of Star Trek movies.
Quote from: kkt on December 25, 2022, 07:49:39 PM
The Abrams universe is noncanonical. Fan fiction with an unusually large budget, not part of Star Trek.
Well, except that Star Trek Picard has made the destruction of Romulus canon now. So the jumping off point for those "Kelvin timeline" movies is something we have to accept. :?
re: Voyager landing on planets; it strikes me that weight distribution of that ship is such that it would fall forward on its nose if it was sitting on the ground. The engines and nacelles must be really, really heavy to offset that large 'saucer' section of the ship.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
After seeing ... 10-12 episodes of DS9 (I despise that one),
To each their own, but oof. They did a lot of good story telling in DS9. Yeah they dynamited Roddenberry's futurist utopia, but the grand arc of that series was very well done. I'd advise giving it another chance. It gets better and better as it goes along and they build to the Dominion War.
@kkt
I don't think 23rd century starships would have the same issues with that stuff as helicopters would. They even have inertial dampners to deal with that. If they can remain stable through ion storms, dense nebulas, subspace rifts, a little wind isn't going to affect them.
@triple plex
I hate the politics in star trek, and DS9 is ground zero for that BS, which is why I hate it. And the fact that it takes place on a station kinda defeats the purpose of star "trekking". And the episode "hard time" did it in for me, like they just casually accept what they did to Obrien and let the people on the planet go on their merry way. I take issue with the prime directive in alot of episodes, but that one was way out of line, and the major just stands there and let's them do it. Janeway did a similar BS in "memorial". When the Kazon stranded them on that planet and I was almost thinking "serves them right".
O'Brien was on THEIR planet. It's their laws and their way of enforcing them. What should Starfleet do about it, get all John Wayne and send in a bunch of commandos to get him out of there? With only a few actual days to plan and execute the rescue before his virtual sentence is over?
I like that DS9 stays put. That lets them, or forces them, to revisit the same situation when they didn't really solve it the first time. They can't just warp off to some other planet that never heard of them before. More complex problems that can't be solved in 35 minutes. It gives the characters a chance to grow.
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@kkt
I don't think 23rd century starships would have the same issues with that stuff as helicopters would. They even have inertial dampners to deal with that. If they can remain stable through ion storms, dense nebulas, subspace rifts, a little wind isn't going to affect them.
Atmospheres are a whole lot thicker than ion storms and nebulas (no idea about subspace rifts), so I can totally believe a starship still wouldn't be able to go into atmospheres.
Admittedly, inertial dampers might be able to help... but I have absolutely no idea how they work, so I can't guess there.
Quote from: kkt on December 27, 2022, 03:06:41 PM
O'Brien was on THEIR planet. It's their laws and their way of enforcing them. What should Starfleet do about it, get all John Wayne and send in a bunch of commandos to get him out of there? With only a few actual days to plan and execute the rescue before his virtual sentence is over?
I like that DS9 stays put. That lets them, or forces them, to revisit the same situation when they didn't really solve it the first time. They can't just warp off to some other planet that never heard of them before. More complex problems that can't be solved in 35 minutes. It gives the characters a chance to grow.
Doesn't make the laws just. The way they enforce the prime directive is extremely hypocritical and illogical. In "Justice" one Wesley Crusher was enough to violate the rule, but in "Homeward" the lives of millions of aliens was not apparently. And in that DS9 episode, Obrien wasn't even guilty, they just sneaked the sentence out without even notifying them or giving a trial. In "memorial" Janeway was
way out of line. She literally risked the mental welfare of children on her ship, and literally any other unsuspecting ship passing by, just for the principle. What if her stupid warning beacon malfunctioned/aliens couldn't understand the language? You destroy the damn thing. Then Janeway has the nerve to throw Tom in the Brig for a month, for once again trying to save a planet (something grossly forbidden in the supposedly advanced, humane, 24th century society). But then she goes out and screws up the timelines just to get her crew own faster. Destroying a device designed to give permanent PTSD to any traveler passing through? Nah that's too much. But creating time paradoxes left and right that affect hundreds of civilizations just for your own personal gain? Perfectly acceptable! I absolutely love every time the ship gets looted, pirated, and stuff stolen from them, or when Q gives Picard a stern lecture, they deserve it so much for their selfishness and arrogance. Sure, lets not help an alien planet by showing them our technology because it might interfere with their natural progression of worshipping tribunal God images and torturing/killing each other over nonsense like we did in the middleages. Lets contact a near-warp developed society and join them into our beaurocratic federation, but not share any of our scientific information or technology, that makes sense!
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@kkt
I don't think 23rd century starships would have the same issues with that stuff as helicopters would. They even have inertial dampners to deal with that. If they can remain stable through ion storms, dense nebulas, subspace rifts, a little wind isn't going to affect them.
Atmospheres are a whole lot thicker than ion storms and nebulas (no idea about subspace rifts), so I can totally believe a starship still wouldn't be able to go into atmospheres.
Admittedly, inertial dampers might be able to help... but I have absolutely no idea how they work, so I can't guess there.
Or...put up the shields. If they can take phaser blasts and antimatter torpedoes, they can take a little turbulence. Seriously the writers didn't even try to make it make any sense. It's a
starship.
Why is this thread still called 'Aviation'? Keeps throwing me off...
I guess it's more fun to discuss Star Trek than to discuss whether there will ever be a train capable of traveling at 1,000 miles per hour.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 27, 2022, 04:22:06 PM
I guess it's more fun to discuss Star Trek than to discuss whether there will ever be a train capable of traveling at 1,000 miles per hour.
Which is fine. I just wish the thread title would now alert me to the fact that I'll find nothing aviation-related in here.
You know what's (a) fantastic and (b) aviation-related? The new LaGuardia. I flew into there last month, and I got off the plane, and almost marched over to the nearest gate agent and said "Excuse me, I was supposed to be on a flight to LaGuardia."
Those new full-body scanners are fantastic looking enough, that I do wonder how many people shout "Beam me up, Scotty!" upon stepping in.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 27, 2022, 12:59:31 PM
I hate the politics in star trek, and DS9 is ground zero for that BS, which is why I hate it.
Well "politics" was baked into the franchise from the beginning. The Original Series was constantly using aliens to comment on contemporary issues in the 60's. Hell the rivalry between The Federation and the Klingons is a clear Cold War allegory.
To me, complaining about politics in scifi is like complaining about hand-held directed energy weapons in scifi.
Not that one can't be clumsy about it and come off heavy-handed, which Trek occasionally does.
Actually those body scanners that move around in a circle look like the disintegration machines in the TOS episode "Armageddon".
The Enterprise crew are healthy young people. It's not surprising they were interested in sex. Okay, Kirk overdoes it, because he's the CO and and shouldn't be getting into relationships with anyone who works for him, which is anyone on the ship, and probably should stay away from the first contact situations also because manners about sex are so tricky and often not discussed candidly.
I mean, by the time TNG rolled around, Starfleet working conditions were good enough that people were only working 8 hour shifts, same as today. Now imagine you've got sixteen hours of downtime and you can't leave to go do anything off the ship. Some people will spend that time screwing.
It's also kind of truth in fiction. Apparently most cruise ship employees end up doing the same thing.
The crew were not working 24 or even 16 hours a day. Barring an alert, they had some off hours every day. Time off is important for mental health.
Wesley was portrayed as under 18 in most of TNG, wasn't he? Then I wouldn't expect him to be having sex, especially not with the adult members of the crew. Maybe a girlfriend his own age would have improved his attitude and made him less of a pest...
Okay, just for fun, think about the other TV shows that are aimed at least in part at over-18 viewers. Don't pretty much all of them have at least some characters in relationships? A lot of them have those relationships changing over time? It's an important part of life and there's no reason to think characters would lack it any more than they wouldn't eat.
I'm dating myself, but MASH had Hawkeye hooking up with random never-seen-again nurses every couple of episodes it seemed like, less often in later seasons. Frank and Margaret Hoolihan were an item for, um, 5 seasons I think, then Frank left the series and Margaret had a marriage that broke up and then couple of other shorter-term relationships. Col. Blake had an ongoing relationship with one of the nurses even though he had a wife and kids back home. Col. Potter had what you might call emotional affairs a couple of times in which they stopped short of infidelity. Charles Winchester had a couple of single-episode affairs. BJ had one single-episode affair and one emotional affair even though he had a wife and kids back home.
You get the same sort of thing in most shows, unless they're written for and about kids under 18.
corny middle-school insulting names for the shows cheerfully ignored.
^ Winchester, like Hawkeye, wasn't married.
I feel as though I should up-post my thoughts on Wesley Crusher:
You do know that in military organizations that people have sex right? I'd speculate they probably have more sex (certainly more alcohol) than the average person. What exactly about Star Fleet doesn't scream military-like organization?
Quote from: kkt on December 27, 2022, 08:44:37 PM
The crew were not working 24 or even 16 hours a day. Barring an alert, they had some off hours every day. Time off is important for mental health.
Wesley was portrayed as under 18 in most of TNG, wasn't he? Then I wouldn't expect him to be having sex, especially not with the adult members of the crew. Maybe a girlfriend his own age would have improved his attitude and made him less of a pest...
Okay, just for fun, think about the other TV shows that are aimed at least in part at over-18 viewers. Don't pretty much all of them have at least some characters in relationships? A lot of them have those relationships changing over time? It's an important part of life and there's no reason to think characters would lack it any more than they wouldn't eat.
I'm dating myself, but MASH had Hawkeye hooking up with random never-seen-again nurses every couple of episodes it seemed like, less often in later seasons. Frank and Margaret Hoolihan were an item for, um, 5 seasons I think, then Frank left the series and Margaret had a marriage that broke up and then couple of other shorter-term relationships. Col. Blake had an ongoing relationship with one of the nurses even though he had a wife and kids back home. Col. Potter had what you might call emotional affairs a couple of times in which they stopped short of infidelity. Charles Winchester had a couple of single-episode affairs. BJ had one single-episode affair and one emotional affair even though he had a wife and kids back home.
You get the same sort of thing in most shows, unless they're written for and about kids under 18.
corny middle-school insulting names for the shows cheerfully ignored.
If ever there was a show that changed with the times in real-time, one could do a lot worse than binge-watching the entire run of MASH episodes. One should never even try to claim that MASH in 1972 and MASH in 1982 were the same type of show.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 27, 2022, 08:51:50 PMIt always seemed more like 16 hours shifts and 8 hours of downtime with the time frames given in many episodes.
How much downtime between episodes, though?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 27, 2022, 08:51:50 PM
I would think there'd be a much higher demand for the holodecks/10 forward in the galaxy class ships with 1000 people, if over 600 were free at any given time. In some episodes they appear to be working around the clock for days, but they seem unaffected by it.
Well yes! But then, that's a problem with pretty much the whole Federation. Maybe 90% of the Federation's population is spending all the time they can in holodecks, so the only people in Starfleet are the ones self-selected to be less interested than average?
Unless the most advanced star trek technology is only available on starships. I mean since there's no money in that century, most people would probably have a cushy life in their house equipped with holodecks and replicators, so why bother risking that utopia by living on a battleship. It's not like the lower decks are involved in the main missions, I wonder if they even know what's going on half the time, like when they have gone back in time, or they are trying to stop a warp core overload..etc, so they aren't getting the thrill of exploration either.
Quote from: Takumi on December 27, 2022, 08:45:46 PM
^ Winchester, like Hawkeye, wasn't married.
Did I say he was?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 27, 2022, 09:23:09 PM
It's not like the lower decks are involved in the main missions, I wonder if they even know what's going on half the time, like when they have gone back in time, or they are trying to stop a warp core overload..etc, so they aren't getting the thrill of exploration either.
Someone should make a show about that. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Lower_Decks)
So let's recap Triple-M's ideal Star Trek: no politics, no relationships, no aliens that are
too weird by human standards, and 100% consistency with the technobabble. Sounds boring.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 27, 2022, 04:45:37 PMHell the rivalry between The Federation and the Klingons is a clear Cold War allegory.
And the fact that the Enterprise of ST:TNG had a Klingon security officer was a comment on the post-Cold War era.
But yeah, it's always entertaining to see people complain about the latest work in the Star Trek universe being "woke," when the show has been "woke" from the start.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 27, 2022, 04:45:37 PMNot that one can't be clumsy about it and come off heavy-handed, which Trek occasionally does.
And
The Orville does all the goddamned time.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 28, 2022, 10:10:29 AM
So let's recap Triple-M's ideal Star Trek: no politics, no relationships, no aliens that are too weird by human standards, and 100% consistency with the technobabble. Sounds boring.
I'm with at least half of that, though I'm happy with politics.
How alien can they really be if they have to be just like humans?
People on earth are typically not even attracted to other mammals, and we share lots more DNA with them than we would with some alien species from another solar system...
Quote from: kkt on December 28, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
How alien can they really be if they have to be just like humans?
People on earth are typically not even attracted to other mammals, and we share lots more DNA with them than we would with some alien species from another solar system...
Isn't there something in the deep lore of Star Trek regarding some ancient humanoid race seeding similar biology throughout the universe?
Quote from: kkt on December 28, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
How alien can they really be if they have to be just like humans?
One reasonable assumption about alien life is that, for it to be a species similar enough to humans to make a character-based show on, it must exist within an environment of lifeform diversity: the evolutionary processes required to produce such a complex organism must have also produced other, dissimilar organisms too. But perhaps none of them would even be carbon-based...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Isn't there something in the deep lore of Star Trek regarding some ancient humanoid race seeding similar biology throughout the universe?
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)#Act_Five
The whole point of science fiction and Star Trek in particular is to be able to make allegories to present-day conditions in a fantastical way, so that said conditions can be viewed "from the outside" and thought about in a new way.
If you think an alien race that discriminates based on which half of their face is white and which half is black is being pretty silly, then the next time you hear about a human discriminating based on skin tone you might stop and think whether they're being just as silly.
If you had Star Trek without politics then that wouldn't be Star Trek anymore.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Isn't there something in the deep lore of Star Trek regarding some ancient humanoid race seeding similar biology throughout the universe?
Yeah, some universal life force called the B'Udjet.
The Chase revealed a substantial, profound reality about the Star Trek Universe.
And it was immediately forgotten by everyone. Never comes up again.
Which is so odd because shouldn't that be a seismic shift in every society in the Milky Way? One moment between the Romulin captain and Picard, and then it's back to the status quo of plotting against one another.
Also couldn't help but notice how much the ancient alien in the hologram looks like a Founder. I'm pretty sure it's even the same actress who played the head Alpha Quadrant changling during the Dominion War.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 29, 2022, 09:07:40 AM
there was a next generation episode that dealt with this, think it was called "the chase" or something
You mean the episode I linked to literally two posts before yours?
oops I missed it.
One other criticism I give of star trek is not the fact that they never zoom in closer on the panels when the crew is doing something. My criticism is that when they do, they literally will just put a few random 3 digit numbers next to control buttons. Like, if you are going to deliberately get a good shot, At least put something realistic like "override" or "shield modulation" or "power distribution", "processor core 2", "internal scan", "emergency bulkhead", "plasma conduit 5"..etc, and not just 347, 447, 3829..etc. Put some menus on the helms station that say "warp field" "course coordinates", "impulse speed"..etc, with submenus when tapped, not just the same exact display on every console with screens that don't change at all when you tap them. I mean they could have at least tried.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 28, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
How alien can they really be if they have to be just like humans?
People on earth are typically not even attracted to other mammals, and we share lots more DNA with them than we would with some alien species from another solar system...
Isn't there something in the deep lore of Star Trek regarding some ancient humanoid race seeding similar biology throughout the universe?
There was also an episode of Voyager that had an alien scientist trying to prove his species was related to humans, which is rejected by his government, and when they capture and threaten to destroy Voyager he is forced to "recant" his findings in order to save the ship and crew. Of course, the aliens' leader then sternly warns Janeway that they had better not meet again, and they don't.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 27, 2022, 09:23:09 PM
It's not like the lower decks are involved in the main missions, I wonder if they even know what's going on half the time, like when they have gone back in time, or they are trying to stop a warp core overload..etc, so they aren't getting the thrill of exploration either.
Someone should make a show about that. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Lower_Decks)
So let's recap Triple-M's ideal Star Trek: no politics, no relationships, no aliens that are too weird by human standards, and 100% consistency with the technobabble. Sounds boring.
Yes, there is no need for that much sex in a science fiction show. It is overdone in all the series. Politics are fine as long as it's less than 10% of episodes. I don't care how weird the aliens are. Star Fleet can't decide for a day straight whether it wants to be an exploration organization or a military one, and all that shows is that Q was right from the beginning, humans didn't change at all for the better in 340 years, if anything, they're worse.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 29, 2022, 11:52:48 AM
The Chase revealed a substantial, profound reality about the Star Trek Universe.
And it was immediately forgotten by everyone. Never comes up again.
Which is so odd because shouldn't that be a seismic shift in every society in the Milky Way? One moment between the Romulin captain and Picard, and then it's back to the status quo of plotting against one another.
Yeah, that's episodic TV for you. Events that should change a character's life or entire society instead have no lasting effect and are never referred to again.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 27, 2022, 09:23:09 PM
It's not like the lower decks are involved in the main missions, I wonder if they even know what's going on half the time, like when they have gone back in time, or they are trying to stop a warp core overload..etc, so they aren't getting the thrill of exploration either.
Someone should make a show about that. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Lower_Decks)
So let's recap Triple-M's ideal Star Trek: no politics, no relationships, no aliens that are too weird by human standards, and 100% consistency with the technobabble. Sounds boring.
Yes, there is no need for that much sex in a science fiction show. It is overdone in all the series. Politics are fine as long as it's less than 10% of episodes. I don't care how weird the aliens are. Star Fleet can't decide for a day straight whether it wants to be an exploration organization or a military one, and all that shows is that Q was right from the beginning, humans didn't change at all for the better in 340 years, if anything, they're worse.
Why does being a science fiction show mean there should be less sex? They don't seem connected to me. And I don't see why that makes them worse. Sex is healthy.
It's quite possible for the same organization be both a military and explorers. British Navy, 1815 (the end of the Napoleonic Wars) to 1914 had no large enemy to fight. Instead they suppressed the slave trade, explored, and made charts.
I know that Star Fleet is often cited not to be a military organization in Star Trek media, but they clearly are. I don't get how anyone with even a cursory knowledge of an actual Navy can't see the connections in Star Fleet.
Quote from: kkt on December 30, 2022, 11:11:12 AM
Why does being a science fiction show mean there should be less sex? They don't seem connected to me. And I don't see why that makes them worse. Sex is healthy.
It can make a show less science-fiction-y, though. If you're a diehard science fiction fan, then you're probably not watching the show in order to see the same romantic escapades you might get from watching
Grey's Anatomy. You're watching it for the nerdy science and tech stuff, more likely.
I mean, I'm much more into stuff like Lord of the Rings than stuff like Star Trek, but I think the value of LotR would be diminished by having any more romantic bits than it already does–which is almost none, and even what it does have is borderline too much in my opinion.
For a show that purports to be "serious" science fiction, all that extra romance and sex and such should be kept to a minimum. It's not necessarily bad for a sci-fi show to have that, but at that point it's less sci-fi and more like everything else.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 12:26:42 PM
Well if you're trying to do no-nut-november and trying to distract yourself with a science fiction show, the excessive sex and romance makes it harder.
Makes what harder?
Personally I've never found sex to be something that has caused me excessive stress or had addicting qualities. Given MMM has never served in the military much less worked for the DOD I'm curious how he's coming up with enlisted personnel having fetish disorder issues. To me a lot of this sounds like a poor understanding of how most normal people work (ironic considering the major listed).
Now an orgy in Star Trek is something I think that would remember. Do you have an episode citation for said orgy?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 12:58:01 PM
Now an orgy in Star Trek is something I think that would remember. Do you have an episode citation for said orgy?
Star Trek: Lower Decks
Season 2, Episode 8
I, Excretus
I'm so glad this thread is now about sexual deviants. I wonder when it will get back around to aviation.
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:48:03 PM
I'm so glad this thread is now about sexual deviants. I wonder when it will get back around to aviation.
Sex...aviation...sex..aviation...
Anyone here a member of the Mile High Club?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 01:59:58 PM
Eventually Max will change the title. Considering this is the 3rd or 4th thread he's creating solely on my comment, he's gonna want to keep it accurate. Then he'll accuse me of destroying my own thread LOL
Don't count on it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 12:58:01 PM
Now an orgy in Star Trek is something I think that would remember. Do you have an episode citation for said orgy?
Beverly Crusher getting aroused while reading her grandmother's diary while getting screwed by an 800 year old ghost is one example. "Precious Cargo" in Enterprise is just the most adolescent way to depict sexuality possible. In Voyager, Harry Kim's choices are let's see:
Borg
Dead girlfriend
The wrong twin
And Tom:
A shuttlecraft
A 3 year old (Kes)
His captain when she turned into a Lizard
A half klingon
Yeah, totally normal sexuality. In fact I think Star trek has the most excessive, impulsive, deranged sexuality of any TV series I've ever watched in my life.
I feel compelled to ask, are any of these on screen acts of anything that can be considered insinuating their-way sexual acts? Or this just you not understanding what the difference is between a love triangle and an orgy? I merely watched Star Trek casually, you seem to have encyclopedic knowledge of the sexual acts which take place in the shows.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 12:58:01 PM
Now an orgy in Star Trek is something I think that would remember. Do you have an episode citation for said orgy?
Beverly Crusher getting aroused while reading her grandmother's diary while getting screwed by an 800 year old ghost is one example. "Precious Cargo" in Enterprise is just the most adolescent way to depict sexuality possible. In Voyager, Harry Kim's choices are let's see:
Borg
Dead girlfriend
The wrong twin
And Tom:
A shuttlecraft
A 3 year old (Kes)
His captain when she turned into a Lizard
A half klingon
Yeah, totally normal sexuality. In fact I think Star trek has the most excessive, impulsive, deranged sexuality of any TV series I've ever watched in my life.
Hey, let's not forget The Naked Now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
I mean give me a fucking break.
The month of November wasn't enough of a break?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
And then all the crap with Q mating with Janeway, there is less sex in some porn videos than there are in star trek episodes.
Can we expect you to begin reviewing the plot lines of porn movies next?
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 01:38:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 12:58:01 PM
Now an orgy in Star Trek is something I think that would remember. Do you have an episode citation for said orgy?
Star Trek: Lower Decks
Season 2, Episode 8
I, Excretus
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 02:11:14 PM
I feel compelled to ask, are any of these on screen acts of anything that can be considered insinuating their-way sexual acts? Or this just you not understanding what the difference is between a love triangle and an orgy?
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None of those appear to be orgies.
Also, I'm just finding out now that there is an adult Star Trek cartoon. Not sure how I missed that one.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:43:46 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
I mean give me a fucking break.
The month of November wasn't enough of a break?
I only made it 23 days. And I partly blame star trek for that.
If you were into Seinfeld, you'd still would have outlasted George in The Contest:
Not yet master of your domain, huh?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:43:46 PM
I only made it 23 days. And I partly blame star trek for that.
It's Star Trek's fault inasmuch as rape is the victims' fault. If you can't watch Star Trek without needing sexual release, then the problem is with you, not the show.
Also... now I'm imagining a young guy on Long Island wanking off to mental images of cartoon space explorers. And it's kind of depressing.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
And then all the crap with Q mating with Janeway, there is less sex in some porn videos than there are in star trek episodes.
Can we expect you to begin reviewing the plot lines of porn movies next?
" ...and he never fixed the cable! Why did he even come over in the first place?"
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 30, 2022, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2022, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
And then all the crap with Q mating with Janeway, there is less sex in some porn videos than there are in star trek episodes.
Can we expect you to begin reviewing the plot lines of porn movies next?
" ...and he never fixed the cable! Why did he even come over in the first place?"
Can't argue a "service" was provided though.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
Thank you for posting this. Now I can go 60 days without doing it.
Wait, what? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, assuming you were originally referring to that episode, then mentioned others later. Apparently |Max Rockatansky| was right, and you can't distinguish an orgy from any other romantic escapade.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
Smaller planes like that, and private planes, should be in the 4000-5000 mph range. 2000-3000 mph is more reasonable for commercial airliners due to their extreme mass. Only issue with that is the extreme friction generated heated in the atmosphere. Imagine looking out your window and only seeing a huge fireball the whole time!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 21, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
here's what I think reasonable, IDEAL, transportation speeds are, if all the engineering and safety kinks could be worked out:
Commercial Jumbo Jets: 1000-1500 mph
Average Commercial Airliners: 2000-3000 mph
Private Planes: 4000-5000 mph
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 22, 2022, 02:23:05 PM
it shouldn't take more than 2-3 hours to travel anywhere on the Earth
Looking out the window and only seeing a huge fireball the whole time: that would only last 2-3 hours, tops. For most trips, it would be less. Besides, the airlines could simply require that everyone pull the window shades down, just as they currently do on the B787 or upcoming Air Bus A350.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 29, 2022, 01:55:18 PM
oops I missed it.
One other criticism I give of star trek is not the fact that they never zoom in closer on the panels when the crew is doing something. My criticism is that when they do, they literally will just put a few random 3 digit numbers next to control buttons. Like, if you are going to deliberately get a good shot, At least put something realistic like "override" or "shield modulation" or "power distribution", "processor core 2", "internal scan", "emergency bulkhead", "plasma conduit 5"..etc, and not just 347, 447, 3829..etc. Put some menus on the helms station that say "warp field" "course coordinates", "impulse speed"..etc, with submenus when tapped, not just the same exact display on every console with screens that don't change at all when you tap them. I mean they could have at least tried.
They could have "tried" with the labels, but it wouldn't have mattered much, since most of the series were filmed in the 90s when televisions were 640x480 px standard definition. The labels would have been too blurry to read on the screen, so they didn't bother putting anything creative there. Thus why most of the time, small incidental text like this would be random numbers or injokes like "GNDN" (standing for "goes nowhere and does nothing").
They couldn't have done the animated menus thing on TNG or DS9 because their "touch screen" panels were just printed Plexiglas with incandescent light bulbs behind it. Touch screens didn't really exist yet in real life. The first Star Trek set with actual video elements in the consoles was on the bridge set of Voyager, and even that took something like twelve Mac computers to do all of the animations on (thus why they hadn't attempted doing that sort of thing before). They also weren't real touch screens, as while they now existed, they were prohibitively expensive.
I've noticed a lot of your more uninformed posts are caused by an assumption that the level of technology we have now goes back to Benjamin Franklin's time or something. You may want to fill in that gap in your knowledge, lest you accidentally make yourself look like a fool in front of someone more important than random people on a Web forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 09:32:40 PM
In the 90s, they had more technology than the interfaces displayed on star trek, especially the original series. Alot of star trek was written in the 90s and early 2000s, not the 60s, and 70s.
Sure, the tech
existed. But they weren't in consumer-grade devices in the 90s because they kind of sucked and were expensive as hell. Full-color touch screens just weren't a thing you saw in day to day life, which meant that 1) that's the whole reason they're in a futuristic sci-fi setting (duh), 2) it would have been fucking stupid to spend the money to put a real touch screen with a real interface in there when it wasn't even going to be visible on anyone's CRT screen anyway.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2022, 04:55:07 PMThus why most of the time, small incidental text like this would be random numbers or injokes like "GNDN" (standing for "goes nowhere and does nothing").
On TNG, Enterprise was rumored to have a button labeled Infinite Improbability Drive.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 31, 2022, 03:34:57 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2022, 04:55:07 PMThus why most of the time, small incidental text like this would be random numbers or injokes like "GNDN" (standing for "goes nowhere and does nothing").
On TNG, Enterprise was rumored to have a button labeled Infinite Improbability Drive.
Sounds plausible. There was a book published called the
Star Trek TNG Technical Manual which was written from an in-universe point of view as kind of an "owner's manual" for the
Enterprise. It contained a lot of the rules about how various things were supposed to work that they tried to stick with behind-the-scenes to be self-consistent. Many sections included actually-legible prints of the various consoles and displays seen around the ship. The sickbay readout had various meters detailing vital patient statistics, like heart rate, respiratory rate, blood-oxygen rate...and "Medical Insurance Remaining".
In the bonus features for the DS9 DVDs they give close-up pictures of some of them and talk about them. They were never supposed to be seen clearly on the air, so a lot of them are in jokes. Names of various show crew who usually don't get their names seen, favorite Hollywood hangouts, etc.
Speaking of DVD sets, when I ordered the voyager set last year, they sent me DS9 by mistake. I immediately requested a switch, felt like suing for getting the worst series instead of the best one. Took another week for the correct set to come.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Speaking of DVD sets, when I ordered the voyager set last year, they sent me DS9 by mistake. I immediately requested a switch, felt like suing for getting the worst series instead of the best one. Took another week for the correct set to come.
Hyperbole or are you actually being serious?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Speaking of DVD sets, when I ordered the voyager set last year, they sent me DS9 by mistake. I immediately requested a switch, felt like suing for getting the worst series instead of the best one. Took another week for the correct set to come.
I hope is not considering suing for having to exchange and it taking another week. For heaven's sake. The justice system is a blunt instrument for serious inequities, not for having to wait a week for an entertainment item.
And if you really think Voyager is the best Star Trek series, well, I just feel sorry for you.
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Speaking of DVD sets, when I ordered the voyager set last year, they sent me DS9 by mistake. I immediately requested a switch, felt like suing for getting the worst series instead of the best one. Took another week for the correct set to come.
I hope is not considering suing for having to exchange and it taking another week. For heaven's sake. The justice system is a blunt instrument for serious inequities, not for having to wait a week for an entertainment item.
And if you really think Voyager is the best Star Trek series, well, I just feel sorry for you.
In Voyager, except for Janeway, the characters aren't all disgusting, immoral, unempathetic, tantrumy snobs.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Speaking of DVD sets, when I ordered the voyager set last year, they sent me DS9 by mistake. I immediately requested a switch, felt like suing for getting the worst series instead of the best one. Took another week for the correct set to come.
Hyperbole or are you actually being serious?
Deep Space 9 was one of the worst science fiction shows ever created. The emotional distress of being trolled like that should be grounds for a lawsuit. How the hell do you get the two mixed up. They're literal opposites!
Okay, I guess that 29k was seriously being earmarked for lawyer's fees then.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
For a civil lawsuit/small claim not to be immediately dismissed there would have to be no avenue for correcting the shipping mistake or a refusal to correct. Given that mistake was remedied (I'm assuming free of charge) I guess that I'm not understanding what the problem actually even is?
Again I ask, is this hyperbole? So far it's been pretty hard to tell if MMM is actually serious or really believes things like this.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
For a civil lawsuit/small claim not to be immediately dismissed there would have to be no avenue for correcting the shipping mistake or a refusal to correct. Given that mistake was remedied (I'm assuming free of charge) I guess that I'm not understanding what the problem actually even is?
Again I ask, is this hyperbole? So far it's been pretty hard to tell if MMM is actually serious or really believes things like this.
There really isn't anything that MMM says that I don't think he's exaggerating one way or another.
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 01:13:17 PM
In the bonus features for the DS9 DVDs they give close-up pictures of some of them and talk about them. They were never supposed to be seen clearly on the air, so a lot of them are in jokes. Names of various show crew who usually don't get their names seen, favorite Hollywood hangouts, etc.
I especially like the long-lasting career of Admiral Gene Roddenberry (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry_(Admiral)).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
Well in that case, even the judge, as pompous as they usually are, would likely award me some monetary compensation for the extended wait and the extreme emotional disappointment seeing the wrong series on the box after opening the package, after already waiting over a week for it initially. At least I have the satisfaction that the $70 drain on my bank account from buying the series, was compensated by $70 interest I received one month in it. But yes, it was exchanged free of charge.
How much did the filing fee cost ya?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
For obviously outrageous and appalling cases like this, both filing fees and court surcharges would likely be waived. I mean, it would be pretty cruel to impose extra court costs on someone just trying to get compensated for a horrific injustice such as this. It's easy to not send someone the wrong star trek series. Not only was I not able to finish the series as early as I would like, but there were 5 days that I went to six flags, so I definitely could have used the few extra days had it been sent correctly.
You do know that courts can potentially actually order you to pay a fine for wasting their time? Considering you dispute was remedied why do you expect a small claims or civil court to hear your case? You were apparently made whole again by the shipper getting you the correct box set. What mental and/or physical injuries did you suffer due to getting a DS9 box set?
I have to ask, is this why you broke your 23 day streak that you cited to other day? I feel as though this is all somehow connected now given the irrational response to getting the wrong DVD set by mistake.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
For a civil lawsuit/small claim not to be immediately dismissed there would have to be no avenue for correcting the shipping mistake or a refusal to correct. Given that mistake was remedied (I'm assuming free of charge) I guess that I'm not understanding what the problem actually even is?
Again I ask, is this hyperbole? So far it's been pretty hard to tell if MMM is actually serious or really believes things like this.
There really isn't anything that MMM says that I don't think he's exaggerating one way or another.
Stands to reason. I don't recall the last time (if ever) someone on forum told us they counted how many days they go between beating their meat.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
For a civil lawsuit/small claim not to be immediately dismissed there would have to be no avenue for correcting the shipping mistake or a refusal to correct. Given that mistake was remedied (I'm assuming free of charge) I guess that I'm not understanding what the problem actually even is?
Again I ask, is this hyperbole? So far it's been pretty hard to tell if MMM is actually serious or really believes things like this.
There really isn't anything that MMM says that I don't think he's exaggerating one way or another.
Stands to reason. I don't recall the last time (if ever) someone on forum told us they counted how many days they go between beating their meat.
If you gotta count in days, you're not doing it enough.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2022, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
For a civil lawsuit/small claim not to be immediately dismissed there would have to be no avenue for correcting the shipping mistake or a refusal to correct. Given that mistake was remedied (I'm assuming free of charge) I guess that I'm not understanding what the problem actually even is?
Again I ask, is this hyperbole? So far it's been pretty hard to tell if MMM is actually serious or really believes things like this.
There really isn't anything that MMM says that I don't think he's exaggerating one way or another.
Stands to reason. I don't recall the last time (if ever) someone on forum told us they counted how many days they go between beating their meat.
If you gotta count in days, you're not doing it enough.
Apparently the opposite tact is being taken, a 60 day goal was cited on the last page.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Speaking of DVD sets, when I ordered the voyager set last year, they sent me DS9 by mistake. I immediately requested a switch, felt like suing for getting the worst series instead of the best one. Took another week for the correct set to come.
I hope is not considering suing for having to exchange and it taking another week. For heaven's sake. The justice system is a blunt instrument for serious inequities, not for having to wait a week for an entertainment item.
And if you really think Voyager is the best Star Trek series, well, I just feel sorry for you.
In Voyager, except for Janeway, the characters aren't all disgusting, immoral, unempathetic, tantrumy snobs.
You just described Tom Paris...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
For obviously outrageous and appalling cases like this, both filing fees and court surcharges would likely be waived. I mean, it would be pretty cruel to impose extra court costs on someone just trying to get compensated for a horrific injustice such as this. It's easy to not send someone the wrong star trek series. Not only was I not able to finish the series as early as I would like, but there were 5 days that I went to six flags, so I definitely could have used the few extra days had it been sent correctly.
You do know that courts can potentially actually order you to pay a fine for wasting their time? Considering you dispute was remedied why do you expect a small claims or civil court to hear your case? You were apparently made whole again by the shipper getting you the correct box set. What mental and/or physical injuries did you suffer due to getting a DS9 box set?
I have to ask, is this why you broke your 23 day streak that you cited to other day? I feel as though this is all somehow connected now given the irrational response to getting the wrong DVD set by mistake.
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it. Back during the Voyager shipping ordeal, I was only going about a week in between.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2022, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Why would I need a lawyer for that? It would be and open and shut case. Even if there technically wasn't law to support my position, I'd probably get jury nullification on this one because it's so obviously outrageous.
You really think that would be a jury trial? I would have thought small claims, so your filing fees (that you would lose) wouldn't be so high.
And I don't think you understand how jury nullification works.
For a civil lawsuit/small claim not to be immediately dismissed there would have to be no avenue for correcting the shipping mistake or a refusal to correct. Given that mistake was remedied (I'm assuming free of charge) I guess that I'm not understanding what the problem actually even is?
Again I ask, is this hyperbole? So far it's been pretty hard to tell if MMM is actually serious or really believes things like this.
There really isn't anything that MMM says that I don't think he's exaggerating one way or another.
Stands to reason. I don't recall the last time (if ever) someone on forum told us they counted how many days they go between beating their meat.
If you gotta count in days, you're not doing it enough.
I have found that refraining from doing it improves my mental health and sleep quality. That's why I try to reduce doing it as much as possible. It took great effort and time to get it down from once every 2-3 days to every 2-3 weeks, but it's worth it for me.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
He is the most logical and moral person on the show. Everyone else has anger issues, philosophically twisted mindsets, talks too much...etc. Janeway was a flaming hypocrite for throwing him in the Brig for a month in "30 days".
He's a whiny pissbaby and just about the lamest person on the ship (and I'm including Neelix in that). Even Harry Kim is cooler than him.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:18:24 PM
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it.
Seven of Nine, I presume?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2022, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
He is the most logical and moral person on the show. Everyone else has anger issues, philosophically twisted mindsets, talks too much...etc. Janeway was a flaming hypocrite for throwing him in the Brig for a month in "30 days".
He's a whiny pissbaby and just about the lamest person on the ship (and I'm including Neelix in that). Even Harry Kim is cooler than him.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:18:24 PM
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it.
Seven of Nine, I presume?
No, it was a next generation episode.
As for Tom and Neelix, it seems you dislike the characters that have the most humanity and common sense. Not to mention if it weren't for him the entire crew would have been stranded for life on that planet.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2022, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:18:24 PM
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it.
Seven of Nine, I presume?
No, it was a next generation episode.
There is no possibility for which episode it was that leaves you looking good here, man.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
As for Tom and Neelix, it seems you dislike the characters that have the most humanity and common sense.
I was about to say, I don't think I like anyone at all on Voyager, but then I remembered The Doctor. But even he is sort of a bad copy of Data from TNG.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
Not to mention if it weren't for him the entire crew would have been stranded for life on that planet.
Good.
Well it kind of served them right for them refusing to share their technology with anyone. I'm glad they got a taste of their own medicine for those few days. It's too bad the next generation crew never got that sweet karma.
Quote from: kphoger on December 30, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 30, 2022, 02:43:46 PM
I only made it 23 days. And I partly blame star trek for that.
It's Star Trek's fault inasmuch as rape is the victims' fault. If you can't watch Star Trek without needing sexual release, then the problem is with you, not the show.
Also... now I'm imagining a young guy on Long Island wanking off to mental images of cartoon space explorers. And it's kind of depressing.
Change your opinion at all now that we know it was the The Next Generation?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2022, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
He is the most logical and moral person on the show. Everyone else has anger issues, philosophically twisted mindsets, talks too much...etc. Janeway was a flaming hypocrite for throwing him in the Brig for a month in "30 days".
He's a whiny pissbaby and just about the lamest person on the ship (and I'm including Neelix in that). Even Harry Kim is cooler than him.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:18:24 PM
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it.
Seven of Nine, I presume?
which one?
(https://www.etonline.com/sites/default/files/styles/max_1280x720/public/images/2022-09/STILL_JERI%20RYAN_16x9.jpg)
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 31, 2022, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2022, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
He is the most logical and moral person on the show. Everyone else has anger issues, philosophically twisted mindsets, talks too much...etc. Janeway was a flaming hypocrite for throwing him in the Brig for a month in "30 days".
He's a whiny pissbaby and just about the lamest person on the ship (and I'm including Neelix in that). Even Harry Kim is cooler than him.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:18:24 PM
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it.
Seven of Nine, I presume?
which one?
(https://www.etonline.com/sites/default/files/styles/max_1280x720/public/images/2022-09/STILL_JERI%20RYAN_16x9.jpg)
Is that supposed to be a weapon she's holding on the right? I lost interest in Voyager about season 3. But if it's something that's supposed to be aimed before it's fired, it looks very poorly designed. If you want all the weight of such a large device, might as well put it on a tripod for really stable aim.
To be honest she looks better on the left.
Quote from: kkt on December 31, 2022, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 31, 2022, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2022, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
He is the most logical and moral person on the show. Everyone else has anger issues, philosophically twisted mindsets, talks too much...etc. Janeway was a flaming hypocrite for throwing him in the Brig for a month in "30 days".
He's a whiny pissbaby and just about the lamest person on the ship (and I'm including Neelix in that). Even Harry Kim is cooler than him.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 06:18:24 PM
No, the 23 day streak was ruined by star treks excessive sexuality in it.
Seven of Nine, I presume?
which one?
(https://www.etonline.com/sites/default/files/styles/max_1280x720/public/images/2022-09/STILL_JERI%20RYAN_16x9.jpg)
Is that supposed to be a weapon she's holding on the right? I lost interest in Voyager about season 3. But if it's something that's supposed to be aimed before it's fired, it looks very poorly designed. If you want all the weight of such a large device, might as well put it on a tripod for really stable aim.
left: seven in
Voyager (Ice Queen); Left: Seven in
Picard defrosted and a vigilante defending ex-borgs against Romulans.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 31, 2022, 08:46:28 PM
To be honest she looks better on the left.
Probably because actress Jeri Ryan was 25 years younger then? You'll probably look better now than in 2048.
They used the same actress 25 years later? I thought the very last season they were 23 years in the future just in the show, not in real life! Or was the picture on the right not taken during the filming of the show? Voyager was written over 7 years.
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Between things like these MMM type threads (yes I know that I'm the one who started this thread) and what's going on in an Illinois thread it made me question what I'm even doing here nowadays. The only reason I even logged into today was the legitimate updates about what was going with the Fernbridge.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Between things like these MMM type threads (yes I know that I'm the one who started this thread) and what's going on in an Illinois thread it made me question what I'm even doing here nowadays. The only reason I even logged into today was the legitimate updates about what was going with the Fernbridge.
You subconsciously want to see more of my fictional highway plans, so you keep coming back hoping in the deepest depths of your mind that I've started a new MMM thread. Just my guess as a psychology graduate.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Between things like these MMM type threads (yes I know that I'm the one who started this thread) and what's going on in an Illinois thread it made me question what I'm even doing here nowadays. The only reason I even logged into today was the legitimate updates about what was going with the Fernbridge.
You subconsciously want to see more of my fictional highway plans, so you keep coming back hoping in the deepest depths of your mind that I've started a new MMM thread. Just my guess as a psychology graduate.
You might want to ask for a refund on that psychology degree.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Between things like these MMM type threads (yes I know that I'm the one who started this thread) and what's going on in an Illinois thread it made me question what I'm even doing here nowadays. The only reason I even logged into today was the legitimate updates about what was going with the Fernbridge.
You subconsciously want to see more of my fictional highway plans, so you keep coming back hoping in the deepest depths of your mind that I've started a new MMM thread. Just my guess as a psychology graduate.
I'm pretty sure he was just sick and tired of you polluting whichever thread (I think Minor Things that Bother You) hosted your aviation rants and arguments (for several pages straight!), as were we all.
For punishment, I propose MMM be forced to listed to "Super Freaky Girl" by Nicki Minaj. On a loop. For a whole month.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 03:25:11 PM
It was free. That means I actually have an extra $20,000 at my disposal in my other account. Almost forgot!
How much money you have is right down there with your sex life as far as things I didn't want to know about.
Multiverses are already an established part of Star Trek lore. It's awfully hard to have time paradox's when you have a boat load of alternate universes to pull from.
Quote from: vdeane on January 02, 2023, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Between things like these MMM type threads (yes I know that I'm the one who started this thread) and what's going on in an Illinois thread it made me question what I'm even doing here nowadays. The only reason I even logged into today was the legitimate updates about what was going with the Fernbridge.
You subconsciously want to see more of my fictional highway plans, so you keep coming back hoping in the deepest depths of your mind that I've started a new MMM thread. Just my guess as a psychology graduate.
I'm pretty sure he was just sick and tired of you polluting whichever thread (I think Minor Things that Bother You) hosted your aviation rants and arguments (for several pages straight!), as were we all.
For punishment, I propose MMM be forced to listed to "Super Freaky Girl" by Nicki Minaj. On a loop. For a whole month.
Aviation rants? I just criticized that commercial air travel and military planes are pathetically slow. It's not asking too much to be able to travel at least 1 mile per second in the air. The fact that even military planes don't even do this is disappointing. 1200 mph is snail speed in the sky.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 03:51:07 PM
Multiverses are already an established part of Star Trek lore. It's awfully hard to have time paradox's when you have a boat load of alternate universes to pull from.
But then why do they act like the timelines of one universe affect the other. Why does Captain Braxton feel such an urgent need to protect the timeline if it doesn't affect itself in the same universe. What's the point of the "temporal integrity commission" if every different timeline is a unique universe?
They've created time paradoxes accidentally enough times, with bad effects. Right back to the original series episode "City on the Edge of Forever" in which when the timeline was broken Starfleet and the Federation disappeared but after they fixed the timeline everything returned to normal.
Yeah but they always fix it, they should try not fixing it and see how the Universe deals with it. See if they can thwart logic. When they fix it, how do we know it's their free will and not the laws of physics really pulling the strings? They should try leaving the paradoxes as is just to see what happens is what I'm saying.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 04:28:40 PM
Yeah but they always fix it, they should try not fixing it and see how the Universe deals with it. See if they can thwart logic. When they fix it, how do we know it's their free will and not the laws of physics really pulling the strings? They should try leaving the paradoxes as is just to see what happens is what I'm saying.
They saw how the universe dealt with it in "City on the Edge..." No more Federation or Starfleet. The landing party were effectively marooned forever unless they could change the time line back. And it looked like a pretty desolate spot, not big on food or water other than whatever they brough down with them before the Enterprise was gone.
Yet they didn't all disappear, nor the communicators, tricorders..etc, which doesn't make sense.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:47:25 PM
Yet they didn't all disappear, nor the communicators, tricorders..etc, which doesn't make sense.
Proof of the multiverse, problem solved.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:47:25 PM
Yet they didn't all disappear, nor the communicators, tricorders..etc, which doesn't make sense.
Proof of the multiverse, problem solved.
Yeah but either changing the timeline affects everything in the future in that universe, or nothing because of the parallel Universe's. Not some weird point in between such as only certain things changing and others not.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:47:25 PM
Yet they didn't all disappear, nor the communicators, tricorders..etc, which doesn't make sense.
Proof of the multiverse, problem solved.
Yeah but either changing the timeline affects everything in the future in that universe, or nothing because of the parallel Universe's. Not some weird point in between such as only certain things changing and others not.
What proof in the show is there that it wasn't an alternate universe? They could have slid into an alternate universe and then came back to the one they knew (or was close enough).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:47:25 PM
Yet they didn't all disappear, nor the communicators, tricorders..etc, which doesn't make sense.
Proof of the multiverse, problem solved.
Yeah but either changing the timeline affects everything in the future in that universe, or nothing because of the parallel Universe's. Not some weird point in between such as only certain things changing and others not.
They mumbled some Treknobabble about how people that were right next to the Guardian of Forever were not affected. Dramatic necessity - they needed to have some way to repair the damage to the timeline.
But, it's time travel. How much sense do you expect it to make?
TNG did make a long-term change to its universe when Tasha Yar was sent back on the Enterprise-C in Yesterday's Enterprise, who had a half-Romulan daughter in the past that eventually rose through the ranks of the Romulan military and became an adversary of the TNG crew.
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2023, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 02, 2023, 08:47:25 PM
Yet they didn't all disappear, nor the communicators, tricorders..etc, which doesn't make sense.
Proof of the multiverse, problem solved.
Yeah but either changing the timeline affects everything in the future in that universe, or nothing because of the parallel Universe's. Not some weird point in between such as only certain things changing and others not.
They mumbled some Treknobabble about how people that were right next to the Guardian of Forever were not affected. Dramatic necessity - they needed to have some way to repair the damage to the timeline.
But, it's time travel. How much sense do you expect it to make?
It
could make more sense, like with James P. Hogan's
Proteus Operation, which goes all-out Many-Worlds multiverse. It's a good book; I recommend it.
This thread got even more funny over the long weekend. :-D
What are we talking about now, time travel? For me, time travel stories are usually about a lazy writing attempt to plop your futuristic characters down in the time the show actually being made and seen so you can have them point at things and go, "Wow, they're doing that? Those dummies! I can't believe how terrible humans used to be." It's scifi hack, if I'm being blunt. It takes a good story to hide the crutch of time travel. Trek usually fails at this, but sometimes they pull a rabbit out of their hat. Like Star Trek IV, they tossed enough humor in there to make a decent movie.
Time travel is possible, of course, but only forward. You can go faster than normal by traveling at relativistic speeds or by parking yourself next to an enormous gravity well, like with a black hole. They played with that a little on The Orville. One time, the ship hides form the Kazon by parking itself just beyond the event horizon of a black hole. Another episode, they did a time-travel story where they get back to their own time by deactivating whatever shielding the ship has that prevents time on the ship from moving faster when the ship is going faster than light. They simply take a long enough trip for the whatever-hundred years to pass and arrive at Earth the same time as they left. While the time travel mechanism that initially stranded them in the past was hack, I do give credit for using real science to get themselves back.
Quote from: kkt on January 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
This is just so much more about the sex lives of forum members than I ever wanted to know.
Oh hai Mark!
Scott, thank you for your explanation of the technology. You helped me win a round of 'What Came First' the other day.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 03, 2023, 10:48:28 AM
This thread got even more funny over the long weekend. :-D
What are we talking about now, time travel? For me, time travel stories are usually about a lazy writing attempt to plop your futuristic characters down in the time the show actually being made and seen so you can have them point at things and go, "Wow, they're doing that? Those dummies! I can't believe how terrible humans used to be." It's scifi hack, if I'm being blunt. It takes a good story to hide the crutch of time travel. Trek usually fails at this, but sometimes they pull a rabbit out of their hat. Like Star Trek IV, they tossed enough humor in there to make a decent movie.
Time travel is possible, of course, but only forward. You can go faster than normal by traveling at relativistic speeds or by parking yourself next to an enormous gravity well, like with a black hole. They played with that a little on The Orville. One time, the ship hides form the Kazon by parking itself just beyond the event horizon of a black hole. Another episode, they did a time-travel story where they get back to their own time by deactivating whatever shielding the ship has that prevents time on the ship from moving faster when the ship is going faster than light. They simply take a long enough trip for the whatever-hundred years to pass and arrive at Earth the same time as they left. While the time travel mechanism that initially stranded them in the past was hack, I do give credit for using real science to get themselves back.
No evidence of time dilation either. It's just mathematical gobbledygook, a theory, nothing more. And even that wouldn't be travel, its just perception.They seriously expect me to believe that everyone, or every atom, has their own "clock" due to moving at different speeds, or that the earth's core is 2-3 years younger than the surface due to increased gravity? Come on LOL
Time dilation is easily observed, you can even measure it to small degrees on airplanes.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 01:50:02 PM
Time dilation is easily observed, you can even measure it to small degrees on airplanes.
I think Atomic clocks are a scam. You can't measure billionths of a second. There is no physical reason why the flow of time would slow down due to speed or acceleration. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's just a mathematical representation of perception. It's not like fewer seconds are actually passing for you.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 01:50:02 PM
Time dilation is easily observed, you can even measure it to small degrees on airplanes.
I think Atomic clocks are a scam. You can't measure billionths of a second. There is no physical reason why the flow of time would slow down due to speed or acceleration. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's just a mathematical representation of perception. It's not like fewer seconds are actually passing for you.
What else do you think are scams?
Not saying it's an intentional scam, but the fact that they think a difference in the billionth or trillions of a second difference in clock measurements are the result of some magical time stretching/squeezing just from moving, and not just a margin of error with the clocks is hard to believe. If they really wanted to test this, send a probe at extremely high speed toward the sun and have it orbit the sun for a few years very close to it, this way the gravity increase, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission could maybe push the dilation effect into actually visible amounts, like several seconds..etc, but there is no way to know whether millionths, billionths, let alone trillionths of a second are from a relativistic effect or simply clocks not being absolutely perfect. Even if atomic clocks are supposedly based on atom vibrations...etc, the electrical systems that display how much time passed aren't going to be that accurate. The engineering isn't at the atomic level, so they end up being just regular clocks. There is also no physical explanation of why this would be, even if mathematically it is possible. Mathematical physics also say a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, but that doesn't mean it is, or there is any reason to believe this is so. Same thing with time squeezing.
For a scam to exist there must be an intent to defraud. By saying you believe Atomic Clocks are a scam by default you are also inferring you believe they are false by intentional act.
So I ask again, what other scams are out there that us plebeians are too feeble minded to see?
MMM, anything else in the theory of relativity that you are more well versed on than people like Einstein, Heisenberg, Hawking ...
Quote from: GaryV on January 03, 2023, 02:34:17 PM
MMM, anything else in the theory of relativity that you are more well versed on than people like Einstein, Heisenberg, Hawking ...
I think MMM is suggesting that physics as we know it is part of the Dinophile conspiracy and therefore a scam.
We could test this out. We'll have you cross the Event Horizon of a Black Hole and communicate back to us if you see time dilation.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
What else do you think are scams?
The lunar landing, radon, autism, farsightedness, the Exodus, and the Chicago—Kansas City Expressway. :hmmm:
Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
What else do you think are scams?
The lunar landing, radon, autism, farsightedness, the Exodus, and the Chicago—Kansas City Expressway. :hmmm:
Just one for me:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/652193852063501/?ref=share&mibextid=S66gvF
I, for one, would definitely love to watch a debate between MultiDozenMiler and Immanuel Kant.
Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2023, 02:48:51 PM
I, for one, would definitely love to watch a debate between MultiDozenMiler and Immanuel Kant.
I can just imagine the growing exasperation in Kant's voice.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 01:50:02 PM
Time dilation is easily observed, you can even measure it to small degrees on airplanes.
I think Atomic clocks are a scam. You can't measure billionths of a second. There is no physical reason why the flow of time would slow down due to speed or acceleration. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's just a mathematical representation of perception. It's not like fewer seconds are actually passing for you.
Through the efforts of many scientists and engineers, time is probably the thing that humanity can measure best. The smallest interval of time measured is in the range of zeptoseconds, which are one trillionths of a nanosecond. It's really quite impressive, which is interesting I think because no one has yet really been able to give a good definition of time is.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 02:45:37 PM
We could test this out. We'll have you cross the Event Horizon of a Black Hole and communicate back to us if you see time dilation.
Black holes are another example, no physical evidence, just theories, and even the math starts getting fucked up when dealing with singularities. We went to the moon, but that's not hard to believe. Although it is a little funny that we spent all that engineering effort just to land on a rock, one that may very well be of Earth origin anyway! What is hard to believe, is that somehow firing a rocket engine to get there could make time "flow" differently for you. They act like time is a substance that permeates space and not a physical measurement of duration.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 02:45:37 PM
We could test this out. We'll have you cross the Event Horizon of a Black Hole and communicate back to us if you see time dilation.
Black holes are another example, no physical evidence, just theories, and even the math starts getting fucked up when dealing with singularities. We went to the moon, but that's not hard to believe. Although it is a little funny that we spent all that engineering effort just to land on a rock, one that may very well be of Earth origin anyway! What is hard to believe, is that somehow firing a rocket engine to get there could make time "flow" differently for you. They act like time is a substance that permeates space and not a physical measurement of duration.
Then man up then and show those "Black Holes" who's boss. What's the worst that can happen?
Then presumably you don't merge with your killer robot minion in the depths of Hell.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
What else do you think are scams?
The lunar landing, radon, autism, farsightedness, the Exodus, and the Chicago—Kansas City Expressway. :hmmm:
Just one for me:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/652193852063501/?ref=share&mibextid=S66gvF
Can we make this it's own thread?
My contribution: MLMs. Every single one.
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
You have too much faith in humanity. (Has anyone ever accused you of that before?)
Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2023, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
You have too much faith in humanity. (Has anyone ever accused you of that before?)
Fourteen years of customer service has shown me that no matter how much faith I have in humanity, it's too much.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
Then you'd live in the bad future where the 23 day streak broken by the TNG made it to a more popular thread and spread across the whole forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
Star Trek has a disorder level of sex in it. Even in the time travel episodes people can't keep their pants on the 1st night. Like you fucking time traveled for the first time in your life and that's all you can think about? It's a joke.
Says the guy who's gone into semi-intimate detail on a road forum regarding wanking 2-3 days a day in the past. Is there not some inherent level hypocrisy in having such a vocal distaste for anything sexual in Star Trek media?
Nah, because some of that is star treks fault. I never said 2-3x a day, I said once every 2-3 days, which is still addiction level. Star Trek is literally the most sexualized science fiction show ever written, without good reason.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
Like you fucking time traveled
Actually, it's like they time traveling fucked...
Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
Like you fucking time traveled
Actually, it's like they time traveling fucked...
At least none of them became their own grandfather like Philip J. Fry did...
^^^
I would be surprised if there was a porno called "Fucking Time Travel."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 06:37:16 PM
Nah, because some of that is star treks fault. I never said 2-3x a day, I said once every 2-3 days, which is still addiction level. Star Trek is literally the most sexualized science fiction show ever written, without good reason.
But as an "addict" who has recently fallen off the wagon, what makes your opinion regarding sexualized content on a TV show meaningful? Is not preaching about activity you engage in not the pot calling the kettle black?
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
Technically, it's possible, but illegal per Goddess Standard Law and enforced by the Goddesses themselves through their knowledge and technological bans which prevent mortals from even conceiving of things they're not supposed to know about, as well as their powers blocking any backwards movement through time (unless Nysra decides to allow an exception for whatever reason, but that would have to be a very extraordinary circumstance; she personally hates time travel and the complications it creates, which is why it's banned in the first place).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
Star Trek has a disorder level of sex in it. Even in the time travel episodes people can't keep their pants on the 1st night. Like you fucking time traveled for the first time in your life and that's all you can think about? It's a joke.
Then you should like DS9. In the time travel back to 2024 episode, "Past Tense", three of Our Heroes lived in the 21st Century for several days, and none of them even tried to get layed!
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
What! And go without Star Trek? Unthinkable...
(I've probably watched four episodes in my life, and none within the last 25 years.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
I don't. I have only been watching Enterprise recently, which hasn't been an issue because there are very few sexual episodes and the characters aren't attractive.
The only Star Trek series that has the decontamination chamber where the crew members strip down to their underwear and slather each other with sanitizer?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
I don't. I have only been watching Enterprise recently, which hasn't been an issue because there are very few sexual episodes and the characters aren't attractive.
And yet you talk it constantly. It reads like you are actually obsessed with sexy Star Trek content and just are in denial about it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
I don't. I have only been watching Enterprise recently, which hasn't been an issue because there are very few sexual episodes and the characters aren't attractive.
And yet you talk it constantly. It reads like you are actually obsessed with sexy Star Trek content and just are in denial about it.
And I'm not even necessarily sure it would be a bad thing if he was. So long as he's somewhere private, not harming anyone else, and it's not negatively affecting his life (e.g. making it to where he's not getting anything done because of it), I won't judge.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
I don't. I have only been watching Enterprise recently, which hasn't been an issue because there are very few sexual episodes and the characters aren't attractive.
And yet you talk it constantly. It reads like you are actually obsessed with sexy Star Trek content and just are in denial about it.
And I'm not even necessarily sure it would be a bad thing if he was. So long as he's somewhere private, not harming anyone else, and it's not negatively affecting his life (e.g. making it to where he's not getting anything done because of it), I won't judge.
That's just it, I don't get what the supposed harm is? MMM is the one that seems to be convinced there is something wrong with sexual content and indulging in it. Seems more like needless self repression to me.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2023, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2023, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
I don't. I have only been watching Enterprise recently, which hasn't been an issue because there are very few sexual episodes and the characters aren't attractive.
And yet you talk it constantly. It reads like you are actually obsessed with sexy Star Trek content and just are in denial about it.
And I'm not even necessarily sure it would be a bad thing if he was. So long as he's somewhere private, not harming anyone else, and it's not negatively affecting his life (e.g. making it to where he's not getting anything done because of it), I won't judge.
That's just it, I don't get what the supposed harm is? MMM is the one that seems to be convinced there is something wrong with sexual content and indulging in it. Seems more like needless self repression to me.
Unless he thinks he's better than us for refraining from it. But then you'd think he wouldn't be so quick to divulge that he busted a nut to Gates McFadden or Jonathan Frakes or whoever.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 09:00:24 AM
I've found that my mental health, sleep quality, and appetite drastically improve when I don't, and the exact opposite when I do. I am also on an anti-anxiety medication which despite ramping up sex drive, makes it very hard to perform, so am trying to minimize it as much as possible. The hardest stretch is the first 8-9 days for some reason then it becomes easier.
That seems like something you might want to talk to your psychiatrist about–that's not neurotypical.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 09:00:24 AM
And actually, Dr. Crusher is hotter than troi in my opinion.
And now the MilfMe reference suddenly makes sense.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 09:11:34 AM
Which part? Anti-Anxiety medication dies affect performance.
Aren't you a virgin? Why do care about performance?
So your Autosexual then? That's the definition they give solo lovers.
The Catholic Church don't call that pure either Lol.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
With what so many of the priests are accused of I don't think the church has the right to call anything "impure".
Not trying to sell you on religion. Just pointing out there is no Virgin unless you abstain from anything or if your naturally asexual which makes you have no attraction to anyone. They're plenty of them.
LOL BTW means it's a joking metaphor.
And we come back around to the real solution:
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?
Just stop watching TV.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
With what so many of the priests are accused of I don't think the church has the right to call anything "impure".
Not trying to sell you on religion. Just pointing out there is no Virgin unless you abstain from anything or if your naturally asexual which makes you have no attraction to anyone. They're plenty of them.
LOL BTW means it's a joking metaphor.
The only reason I'm a virgin is because of the risks. I plan on getting a vasectomy. It's not like mastrubation gives more pleasure or something than the real thing.
Hey, everyone: raise your hand if you enjoy reading about MultiDozenMiler masturbating.
Who's MultiDozenMiler? Is he someone who created an account in my name just to parody me?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:14:52 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
With what so many of the priests are accused of I don't think the church has the right to call anything "impure".
Not trying to sell you on religion. Just pointing out there is no Virgin unless you abstain from anything or if your naturally asexual which makes you have no attraction to anyone. They're plenty of them.
LOL BTW means it's a joking metaphor.
The only reason I'm a virgin is because of the risks. I plan on getting a vasectomy. It's not like mastrubation gives more pleasure or something than the real thing.
Wear a rubber? Try oral?
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 11:19:25 AM
Hey, everyone: raise your free hand if you enjoy reading about MultiDozenMiler masturbating.
FITU
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2023, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 11:19:25 AM
Hey, everyone: raise your free hand if you enjoy reading about MultiDozenMiler masturbating.
FITU
The Federation of Independent Trade Unions is unimpressed with this vain usage of their name.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:27:14 AM
Vasectomy is the only guarantee. I just hope they don't give me trouble cause of my young age. I know many states give women issues with tubal ligation/hysterectomies for bullshit reasons. I'll have to have a lie ready just in case, like "I've had 5 failed relationships and 2 kids whom one of them is currently draining my bank account from child support." Those things really should be the person's decision. Fuck everyone else's opinions.
Last I checked oral was also a guarantee.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2023, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:27:14 AM
Vasectomy is the only guarantee. I just hope they don't give me trouble cause of my young age. I know many states give women issues with tubal ligation/hysterectomies for bullshit reasons. I'll have to have a lie ready just in case, like "I've had 5 failed relationships and 2 kids whom one of them is currently draining my bank account from child support." Those things really should be the person's decision. Fuck everyone else's opinions.
Last I checked oral was also a guarantee.
Nope, disgusting. And I don't know what pleasure the girl gets from that either. That's my main criticism of porn, too many BJs. No anal either, great way to get a urinary infection.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:27:14 AM
Vasectomy is the only guarantee.
Vasectomy is not a 100% guarantee either. It can be pretty effective, but listen to your doctor about the need to follow up regularly to have the sperm level checked.
And I don't recommend lying to your doctor. There needs to be a relationship of trust there, which won't happen if you're lying all the time. If you don't like what your doctor is telling you, look around, but don't lie.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:14:52 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
With what so many of the priests are accused of I don't think the church has the right to call anything "impure".
Not trying to sell you on religion. Just pointing out there is no Virgin unless you abstain from anything or if your naturally asexual which makes you have no attraction to anyone. They're plenty of them.
LOL BTW means it's a joking metaphor.
The only reason I'm a virgin is because of the risks. I plan on getting a vasectomy. It's not like mastrubation gives more pleasure or something than the real thing.
Vasectomy is for preventing unwanted pregnancies. I doubt you'll be able to impregnate a female.
Could the subject of this thread please be changed to 'Masturbation by MMM'?
Not being able to is the goal.
@Max R
Quote from: kkt on January 04, 2023, 11:43:17 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:27:14 AM
Vasectomy is the only guarantee.
Vasectomy is not a 100% guarantee either. It can be pretty effective, but listen to your doctor about the need to follow up regularly to have the sperm level checked.
And I don't recommend lying to your doctor. There needs to be a relationship of trust there, which won't happen if you're lying all the time. If you don't like what your doctor is telling you, look around, but don't lie.
It's a problem across many doctors. Obviously much more for women than for men, but I would see. If more than 2 said the same thing I would have to make something up. As for trust, maybe if doctors/the government would respect patients wishes more instead of being afraid of getting sued or paranoid fears maybe patients would be more honest. In addition to covid this year, one other time I was in the Hospital a few years ago and needed morphine for GI pain, they were so paranoid about the Opioid stuff that they reserved it for pain rated "7" and higher out of 10. So guess what, my normal 4 became a 7, and 10 became a 15. Patients rights should come first.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 11:53:12 AM
Could the subject of this thread please be changed to 'Masturbation by MMM'?
I think this topic is had enough. Back to aviation or something else to argue about.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 11:53:12 AM
Could the subject of this thread please be changed to 'Masturbation by MMM'?
I think this topic is had enough. Back to aviation or something else to argue about.
Maybe 10% of this thread was about aviation. Masturbation and Star Trek (sometimes both) have made up most of the post content.
Factoring in everything in the post content the most appropriate thread name would be "Flying stick by MMM."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
Planes should be able to back up. Have two-way jet engines.
And shape changing wings?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2023, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 11:53:12 AM
Could the subject of this thread please be changed to 'Masturbation by MMM'?
I think this topic is had enough. Back to aviation or something else to argue about.
Maybe 10% of this thread was about aviation. Masturbation and Star Trek (sometimes both) have made up most of the post content.
Factoring in everything in the post content the most appropriate thread name would be “Flying stick by MMM.”
Typical troll hijacking a thread is the results here.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 01:16:03 PM
Typical troll hijacking a thread is the results here.
This thread was a parody of the troll from the beginning. I'm not sure if that really counts as hijacking or not...
But, you rebuttal him to expand the discussion and increase your post count.
2 posts up^^^^^^
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:24:25 PM
Most of my fictional highway plans aren't trolling.
Perhaps not, in intent. But the results are the same.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:24:25 PM
You people just need to see the beauty of them.
So you're argument is that people who disagree with you are blind? That's not a good strategy for winning people over.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:24:25 PM
Your subconscious minds likely crave my new interstate highway grid.
Your subconscious mind wants to impregnate an alien and raise a family of space babies in Harlem.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 02:13:42 PM
what are the feasible possibilities to improve those disgusting bathrooms on the planes?
Cleaning them. Oh wait, they already do that.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 02:13:42 PM
what are the feasible possibilities to improve those disgusting bathrooms on the planes?
Cleaning them. Oh wait, they already do that.
Better not check this group if airplane lavatories bother you:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2768931546474278/?ref=share&mibextid=S66gvF
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:24:25 PM
Max is the one creating 5+ threads every time I make a comment that makes him laugh
Citation needed on 5+.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
Planes should be able to back up. Have two-way jet engines.
Check out the Harrier. (And then check out why the Royal Navy decided big carriers were worth the money compared to small carriers with Harriers as their aircraft.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 04, 2023, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
Planes should be able to back up. Have two-way jet engines.
And shape changing wings?
No, but there should be a spare set of retractable wings in case the main wings get impacted/damaged by something in a mid-air collisions. In fact, wings should have to slide out from the beginning, this way planes wouldn't have to worry about maneuvering around each other at the gates which would speed up airport times.
You're not the first person to have this idea. But retractable wings that are as strong and light as fixed wings are quite difficult to build.
Quote from: kkt on January 04, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
But retractable wings that are as strong and light as fixed wings are quite difficult to build.
pffft. Weight doesn't matter very much for airplanes. Nor does space, such as would be required to store those wings when retracted.
Off we go into the wild blue yonder.
Climbing high into the sun;
Here they come zooming to meet our thunder,
At 'em boys, Give 'er the gun! (Give 'er the gun now!)
Down we dive, spouting our flame from under,
Off with one heckuva roar!
We live in fame or go down in flame.
Hey! Nothing'll stop the U.S. Air Force!
This is the wild blue yonder for sure. That is this thread.
Not to mention the aviation is not the one we know relating to physical aircraft, but of one 23 year old's plight in life.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 05:20:24 PM
We could install a row of vertical lift fans underneath 747s to assist in take off.
Do these fans not weigh anything themselves?
I think this guy wants attention. No way can he be serious about his ideas. I think he is giving us all a ride beyond the wild blue yonder and out of our solar system.
Ethanman was only a fraction of this guy's fix for attention. Ethanman was on the rings of Saturn still in our solar system at least just asking basic stupid questions for attention. This guy and his ideas is too far out.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 06:21:28 PM
I think you guys are just overanalyzing most of my plans. What's the big deal if due to crowding at Newark Airport if a plane or two used the Jersey Turnpike to take off? Just a simple redesign of the overpasses would do the trick. I mean, they do give you that extra lane in both outer spurs so plenty of room. The Jersey Turnpike would be a good substitute runway. Straight, wide, and flat. The only improvement needed for this would be steering the plane. As of now that's somewhat limited. A type of steering wheel should be fitted in every passenger plane that directly turns the landing gear so it can move like a car more accurately on the ground or on a hypothetical launch/land highway, like described above. This is an aviation thread after all.
I'm still hoping this is humor.
A Boeing 747 is 211 feet wide. That's the entire width of the New Jersey Turnpike from outermost shoulder line to outermost shoulder line, minus one lane.
It didn't make sense before that either.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 04, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
But retractable wings that are as strong and light as fixed wings are quite difficult to build.
pffft. Weight doesn't matter very much for airplanes. Nor does space, such as would be required to store those wings when retracted.
Um, nonsense on the weight. Internet sources are saying 30% to 40% of the air fare goes straight to the fuel. Boeing has made a lot of money making replacements for airplanes that are perfectly good, except are heavier than they need to be and use more fuel than they need to. Boeing puts in lightweight carbon fiber for the strength critical parts of the airframe, the plane costs noticeably more, but gets better fuel economy.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 06:38:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 06:21:28 PM
I think you guys are just overanalyzing most of my plans. What's the big deal if due to crowding at Newark Airport if a plane or two used the Jersey Turnpike to take off? Just a simple redesign of the overpasses would do the trick. I mean, they do give you that extra lane in both outer spurs so plenty of room. The Jersey Turnpike would be a good substitute runway. Straight, wide, and flat. The only improvement needed for this would be steering the plane. As of now that's somewhat limited. A type of steering wheel should be fitted in every passenger plane that directly turns the landing gear so it can move like a car more accurately on the ground or on a hypothetical launch/land highway, like described above. This is an aviation thread after all.
I'm still hoping this is humor.
A Boeing 747 is 211 feet wide. That's the entire width of the New Jersey Turnpike from outermost shoulder line to outermost shoulder line, minus one lane.
It doesn't work as a serious proposal, and isn't even funny.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 07:16:26 PM
Alright, I admit I had a little headache when writing all that so maybe I wasn't thinking straight.
When my wife has a migraine, she lays down in a dark room. You might try doing that instead of posting to an Internet forum.
Quote from: kkt on January 04, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2023, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 04, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
But retractable wings that are as strong and light as fixed wings are quite difficult to build.
pffft. Weight doesn't matter very much for airplanes. Nor does space, such as would be required to store those wings when retracted.
Um, nonsense on the weight. Internet sources are saying 30% to 40% of the air fare goes straight to the fuel. Boeing has made a lot of money making replacements for airplanes that are perfectly good, except are heavier than they need to be and use more fuel than they need to. Boeing puts in lightweight carbon fiber for the strength critical parts of the airframe, the plane costs noticeably more, but gets better fuel economy.
Sorry, I forgot the [/sarcasm] tag.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 07:16:26 PM
This button would be multi-purpose, also alerting the traffic news station about the runaway truck so they could notify drivers to get their cars off the highway as soon as possible just in case the helicopters failed.
How could there be any possiblity of failure of such a beautifully conceived plan as this? I haven't seen such a perfect plan since the invasion of Afghanistan!
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 04, 2023, 07:29:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 07:16:26 PM
Alright, I admit I had a little headache when writing all that so maybe I wasn't thinking straight.
When my wife has a migraine, she lays down in a dark room. You might try doing that instead of posting to an Internet forum.
Or down an energy drink, the caffeine usually alleviates my migraines.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 07:16:26 PM
Alright, I admit I had a little headache when writing all that so maybe I wasn't thinking straight. Let me go back to my most realistic, feasible, and needed aviation idea: The helicopter assistance for runaway trucks.
A military grade helicopter capable of moving at 300 mph would pace the truck, shoot down a solid steel cable that has a large cylindrical electromagnet at the bottom, plus 4 back up grappling hooks in case the current in the magma fails. For very large double rig or triple rig trailers, 2-3 helicopters may be used at each end to stabilize it while lifting it off the ground so its not dangling in the air.
A big circular red button would be installed right on the consol that the driver would just need to press, and it would instantly alert the nearest heliport that the truck needs help or is out of control.
On particularly risky stretches of road, such as I-70 through the Rockies, these helicopters would regularly fly in formation above the highway patrolling so they could assist faster if needed. Otherwise they would be on standby in the nearest aviation yard/heliport with military pilots ready to go at a moments notice. This button would be multi-purpose, also alerting the traffic news station about the runaway truck so they could notify drivers to get their cars off the highway as soon as possible just in case the helicopters failed. The button would be designed however so that it couldn't be activated just by bumping into it, (wasting all the time and effort) but it would be easily pressable in an actual emergency.
This is so convoluted and nonsensical. You cannot think this is a good idea. Runaway truck ramps solve this problem and are a much cheaper and simpler solution.
Quote from: kirbykart on January 05, 2023, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 07:16:26 PM
Alright, I admit I had a little headache when writing all that so maybe I wasn't thinking straight. Let me go back to my most realistic, feasible, and needed aviation idea: The helicopter assistance for runaway trucks.
A military grade helicopter capable of moving at 300 mph would pace the truck, shoot down a solid steel cable that has a large cylindrical electromagnet at the bottom, plus 4 back up grappling hooks in case the current in the magma fails. For very large double rig or triple rig trailers, 2-3 helicopters may be used at each end to stabilize it while lifting it off the ground so its not dangling in the air.
A big circular red button would be installed right on the consol that the driver would just need to press, and it would instantly alert the nearest heliport that the truck needs help or is out of control.
On particularly risky stretches of road, such as I-70 through the Rockies, these helicopters would regularly fly in formation above the highway patrolling so they could assist faster if needed. Otherwise they would be on standby in the nearest aviation yard/heliport with military pilots ready to go at a moments notice. This button would be multi-purpose, also alerting the traffic news station about the runaway truck so they could notify drivers to get their cars off the highway as soon as possible just in case the helicopters failed. The button would be designed however so that it couldn't be activated just by bumping into it, (wasting all the time and effort) but it would be easily pressable in an actual emergency.
This is so convoluted and nonsensical. You cannot think this is a good idea. Runaway truck ramps solve this problem and are a much cheaper and simpler solution.
Noy to mention, unless the runaway truck is doing 300 mph as well, how is a chopper "pacing" the truck at that speed?
The helicopters would be capable of 300 mph so they can get to the truck in time before it crashes. The nearest heliport could be 10 miles away. In very risky areas however, these choppers would be patrolling in the air already so they are much closer when needed. Runaway truck ramps aren't built to interstate standards, nor are they designated as such, so not much of a solution.
Quote from: kkt on January 04, 2023, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 07:16:26 PM
This button would be multi-purpose, also alerting the traffic news station about the runaway truck so they could notify drivers to get their cars off the highway as soon as possible just in case the helicopters failed.
How could there be any possiblity of failure of such a beautifully conceived plan as this? I haven't seen such a perfect plan since the invasion of Afghanistan!
And also, how would the traffic news stations notify every driver? What about people who aren't listening to the radio. Or, you know, don't even have a working radio to begin with?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
The helicopters would be capable of 300 mph so they can get to the truck in time before it crashes. The nearest heliport could be 10 miles away. In very risky areas however, these choppers would be patrolling in the air already so they are much closer when needed. Runaway truck ramps aren't built to interstate standards, nor are they designated as such, so not much of a solution.
Yeah, I'm sure Americans would be all for helicopters constantly monitoring their every movement while driving.
It keeps getting funnier! Somehow.
This is like having a 9 year old explain to you how he is playing with his toys. It's almost charming.
"And then the helicopter shoots down a magnet and picks up the truck..."
Very cartoony. One could almost imagine this is a conversation with a child, if you can ignore all the "self love" discussion. :P
As my first post in this thread, I just have to say, I cannot imagine how insanely expensive it would actually be to implement something like this -- not to mention the logistical impossibility as well as lack of resources.
Just some questions for MMM to ponder:
* How expensive would it be for the fuel that all these helicopters will constantly require, by incessantly flying around or even just hovering above these areas?
* How much are these people getting paid, and how many of these people are there going to be in total, as needed for such a colossal undertaking?
* What happens if a helicopter fails to successfully salvage a driver and their truck, and what would likely be the actual rate of success of this operation?
* This isn't a question, but I just can't stop laughing at the thought of driving on I-70 through the Rockies and seeing dozens of helicopters flying or hovering overhead constantly. Maybe the person in the convenience store did take 10,000 years after all, what a different world we would live in. :-D :-D :-D :rofl:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 05, 2023, 11:53:52 AM
As my first post in this thread, I just have to say, I cannot imagine how insanely expensive it would actually be to implement something like this -- not to mention the logistical impossibility as well as lack of resources.
Just some questions for MMM to ponder:
* How expensive would it be for the fuel that all these helicopters will constantly require, by incessantly flying around or even just hovering above these areas?
* How much are these people getting paid, and how many of these people are there going to be in total, as needed for such a colossal undertaking?
* What happens if a helicopter fails to successfully salvage a driver and their truck, and what would likely be the actual rate of success of this operation?
* This isn't a question, but I just can't stop laughing at the thought of driving on I-70 through the Rockies and seeing dozens of helicopters flying or hovering overhead constantly. Maybe the person in the convenience store did take 10,000 years after all, what a different world we would live in. :-D :-D :-D :rofl:
And there are only 4000 runaway trucks per year in the whole country–less than 1% of all truck crashes. About three-fourths of those runaway trucks are able to safely use an existing runaway truck ramp. If we assume that the same three-fourths success rate applies to Colorado specifically, and considering that runaway truck ramps in Colorado are only used approximately fifteen to twenty times per year, then we come up with a ballpark number of 25 runaway trucks in Colorado per year. And if we assume that the majority but not all of those runaway trucks are on I-70, then let's just call it 20 runaway trucks on I-70 through the Rockies per year.
Anyone want to estimate the success rate for MultiDozenMiler's helicopter plan?
What about deploying a Micro Black Hole/White Hole system for the helicopters to instantly travel to the accident scene? Just warp the Space Time around the helicopter so it doesn't get crushed by the singularity and you're golden.
Guys, I am serious with this plan. It is totally worth it to avoid tragedies like that one that killed 4 people in Colorado. Even if the helicopters weren't hovering, they would be positioned near the road ready to go. They would be military grade however, to ensure they would be strong enough to lift a triple-rig tractor trailer off the road. Reminders could even be put on the sides of the helicopter saying things like "Give us a Brake, use the runaway ramps". This could be a specific branch of military service, only this job, so those who apply could be incentivized with free college/other benefits.
I'm serious about my Black Hole-White Hole plan too. They totally are not a scam.
I want a thread where MMM and Poiponen argue with each other by just baldly asserting their plans will work better back and forth.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 04:33:03 PM
Guys, I am serious with this plan. It is totally worth it to avoid tragedies like that one that killed 4 people in Colorado.
And this is why nobody ever asks you if something is worth it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
I want a thread where MMM and Poiponen argue with each other by just baldly asserting their plans will work better back and forth.
This is the thread we deserve, but not the thread we need right now.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2023, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
I want a thread where MMM and Poiponen argue with each other by just baldly asserting their plans will work better back and forth.
This is the thread we deserve, but not the thread we need right now.
Guys, I am serious with this plan. I think this is needed.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:11:17 PM
But the $Trillion for the military is?? I think they can spare a few bucks for this. So the military budget will only be $990 Billion instead.
You really just suggested spending 1% of the nation's military budget on preventing something whose annual incidence can be counted on my hands.
Yes because in reality 10% of it should be going toward more useful things. So 1% is more than reasonable, and that's pretending it would even cost $10 Billion just to retrofit a few helicopters with a grappling EM cable and the fuel to occasionally fly around.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
Yes because in reality 10% of it should be going toward more useful things. So 1% is more than reasonable, and that's pretending it would even cost $10 Billion just to retrofit a few helicopters with a grappling EM cable and the fuel to occasionally fly around.
You're still on the stupid graphing cable. Enough is enough.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
Yes because in reality 10% of it should be going toward more useful things. So 1% is more than reasonable, and that's pretending it would even cost $10 Billion just to retrofit a few helicopters with a grappling EM cable and the fuel to occasionally fly around.
It would cost way more than $10 Billion to develop grapple hook technology for reliable use on a helicopter that travels that the theoretical speeds you want. If it was possible and practical it probably would have been built already under military funding.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2023, 05:20:11 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
Yes because in reality 10% of it should be going toward more useful things. So 1% is more than reasonable, and that's pretending it would even cost $10 Billion just to retrofit a few helicopters with a grappling EM cable and the fuel to occasionally fly around.
You're still on the stupid graphing cable. Enough is enough.
This is one of my most serious plans on this forum so far (with I-80 eastward extension being top priority). This is an aviation thread and this definitely involves aviation.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2023, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
Yes because in reality 10% of it should be going toward more useful things. So 1% is more than reasonable, and that's pretending it would even cost $10 Billion just to retrofit a few helicopters with a grappling EM cable and the fuel to occasionally fly around.
It would cost way more than $10 Billion to develop grapple hook technology for reliable use on a helicopter that travels that the theoretical speeds you want. If it was possible and practical it probably would have been built already under military funding.
It would only be capable of going 300 mph without hauling a truck. Once it grips the truck, it can go 20 for all I care after that, once it lifts it off the road, mission accomplished.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2023, 05:20:11 PM
You're still on the stupid graphing cable. Enough is enough.
Again: you're the only who has ever advocated the use of graphing hooks/cables. MultiMillionMiler has never suggested implementing them.
Quote from: kphoger on January 05, 2023, 05:15:05 PM
You really just suggested spending 1% of the nation's military budget on preventing something whose annual incidence can be counted on my hands.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
Yes because in reality 10% of it should be going toward more useful things. So 1% is more than reasonable ...
Even if 10% of our nation's defense budget should go toward other things, and I'm not here to debate whether it should or not, that doesn't mean a project that would save maybe fifteen lives per year (and even that's assuming a 100% success rate) would be the most "useful" redirect of those funds.
But those are grappling hooks.
What would the G-Force load on the driver be after instantaneously stopping from say 70 MPH due to the grapple hooks digging into the ground and stopping a runaway truck instantly?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 06:58:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2023, 06:54:28 PM
What would the G-Force load on the driver be after instantaneously stopping from say 70 MPH due to the grapple hooks digging into the ground and stopping a runaway truck instantly?
It would be enough drag to rapidly slow the truck to a stop, not instantly. A 1 G deceleration would be about 22 mph PER second. Even a 2 G deceleration (about 43 mph per second) wouldn't be a big deal as it would only be experienced for a couple seconds. But again, that wasn't the option I was that interested in to start with.
What are these under carriage grapple hooks made of that they can stretch and be durable enough to allow a truck to slowly enough not to kill the driver or snap?
What they need is tow trucks that can rapidly clear out a truck that has used a runaway truck ramp, so that the ramp is available for the next runaway truck.
Given that the electromagnets need to be quite strong to pick up an 18 wheeler ... How are you going to keep the electromagnets from also picking up cars and motorcycles in adjacent lanes as well?
(Just had a mental picture of a whole bunch of cars sucked into the air by the magnet, along with the truck)
And what if the body of the truck's trailer is made of non-magnetic material? (Disclaimer - I have no idea what they are typically made of)
:popcorn:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
Yet another reason for runaway trucks ramps to be built to interstate standards, and have at least 2 lanes. I could even say they should be designated 3 digit odd numbers as they are technically spurs off the main highway, but I'm not going to go that far.
If the runaway truck ramps are no different from the highway that the truck was on before, how exactly will that help the truck slow down faster?
Quote from: dlsterner on January 05, 2023, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
Yet another reason for runaway trucks ramps to be built to interstate standards, and have at least 2 lanes. I could even say they should be designated 3 digit odd numbers as they are technically spurs off the main highway, but I'm not going to go that far.
If the runaway truck ramps are no different from the highway that the truck was on before, how exactly will that help the truck slow down faster?
By the angle. Doesn't need to be unpaved. I also suggest metal gates that close in behind once a truck barrels in, so it can't roll back onto the highway.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on January 05, 2023, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
Yet another reason for runaway trucks ramps to be built to interstate standards, and have at least 2 lanes. I could even say they should be designated 3 digit odd numbers as they are technically spurs off the main highway, but I'm not going to go that far.
If the runaway truck ramps are no different from the highway that the truck was on before, how exactly will that help the truck slow down faster?
By the angle. Doesn't need to be unpaved. I also suggest metal gates that close in behind once a truck barrels in, so it can't roll back onto the highway.
There's a reason why runaway truck ramps aren't built like that.
Quote from: dlsterner on January 05, 2023, 09:19:18 PM
Given that the electromagnets need to be quite strong to pick up an 18 wheeler ... How are you going to keep the electromagnets from also picking up cars and motorcycles in adjacent lanes as well?
(Just had a mental picture of a whole bunch of cars sucked into the air by the magnet, along with the truck)
And what if the body of the truck's trailer is made of non-magnetic material? (Disclaimer - I have no idea what they are typically made of)
:popcorn:
All trucks are going to be required to have a magnetic material coated onto the roof. This is something that will have to certified by the trucking companies by law, just like any other standard equipment testing. Lifting the truck will actually be tested by a magnet at the docking bay, the same scale and specifications that the helicopters will have, before the trucker is allowed to get on the road. And don't forget, there's 4 grappling hooks that dig into the truck in case the magnet fails. They are both fail-safes for the other. Not to mention multiple choppers may assist the same truck if it is very long, (just imagine it dangling in the air by one chopper).
Edit: There would also be a small section in the commercial drivers manual about this plan and what drivers should do during a rescue operation such as this. Like tighten seatbelt, lock door, hold on to something sturdy, like the parking brake or steering wheel, as depending on how the helicopter hooks up to the truck, it might swivel around or tilt, causing the driver to fall, injure himself on something as the lifting commences. There would also be a couple of questions on the CDL written exam about the red button and when it's appropriate to use.
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Quote from: kkt on January 05, 2023, 08:04:45 PM
What they need is tow trucks that can rapidly clear out a truck that has used a runaway truck ramp, so that the ramp is available for the next runaway truck.
As I said, runaway truck ramps in Colorado are only used fifteen to twenty times per year–across the whole state. Most highway patrol officers go their whole career without ever seeing one in use. I don't think we need to worry about making it available as soon as possible.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on January 05, 2023, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on January 05, 2023, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
Yet another reason for runaway trucks ramps to be built to interstate standards, and have at least 2 lanes. I could even say they should be designated 3 digit odd numbers as they are technically spurs off the main highway, but I'm not going to go that far.
If the runaway truck ramps are no different from the highway that the truck was on before, how exactly will that help the truck slow down faster?
By the angle. Doesn't need to be unpaved. I also suggest metal gates that close in behind once a truck barrels in, so it can't roll back onto the highway.
There's a reason why runaway truck ramps aren't built like that.
Dear woman, I certainly respect your attempt at inserting reason into this conversation. However, I must confess that I think it might be a losing battle.
So much effort here is going into wild future tech just to stop some runaway trucks. A thought, why not just replace the fleshy truckers with indestructible robots that can be reused after crashes?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 05, 2023, 10:51:34 PM
In fact now that I think of it, the helicopter may not have to lift the truck at all. It can shoot the grappling hooks and large magnet, and just pull back enough to put enough resistance against the foward motion to slow the truck down. But this may cause the truck to sway this way and that, so it might be better to get it off the road and above the trees on the side altogether. It can then be towed, by helicopter, to the nearest repair station, and where for a small fee, the helicopter could Give the trucker a ride back to the company or destination (the reason for the fee is because it would technically be drawing resources away from the high risk areas, even if the chances of a 2nd runaway truck in the same area within hours are astronomically low). Goods would be transferred to the nearest available truck where the driver could resume his route.
Why not use a transporter to lock onto the truck driver (and passenger if there is one) and beam them aboard the helicopter to safety? Then use the helicopter's phasers to vaporize the truck. Problem solved.
Just like Star Trek.
I wonder if better enforcement of brake check areas at the tops of long grades would reduce the number of runaway trucks.
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2023, 12:52:13 AM
I wonder if better enforcement of brake check areas at the tops of long grades would reduce the number of runaway trucks.
I bet the cost of paying more police officers to sit at brake check areas is more than what would be saved by eliminating what would likely be a single digit number of runaway trucks over several years.
Quote from: US 89 on January 06, 2023, 12:55:24 AM
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2023, 12:52:13 AM
I wonder if better enforcement of brake check areas at the tops of long grades would reduce the number of runaway trucks.
I bet the cost of paying more police officers to sit at brake check areas is more than what would be saved by eliminating what would likely be a single digit number of runaway trucks over several years.
Way cheaper than special purpose military helicopters!
I'm surprised MMM's solution isn't to simply forbid people from living and driving through mountains. That way all the roads can be straight and flat (no dangerous curves and no runaway truck ramps!). It's a win-win. :colorful:
And he says runaway truck ramps are bad because they are not "interstate standard". If they were paved they wouldn't work!
Some of the things suggested in this thread make me think the lady on the call-in radio show complaining about the placement of deer crossings was a genius.
Quote from: GaryV on January 06, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
Some of the things suggested in this thread make me think the lady on the call-in radio show complaining about the placement of deer crossings was a genius.
The deer should have been supplied with Bionic Commando-like grapple hook arms so they could cross freeways overhead and not visually mar the experience.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: GaryV on January 06, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
Some of the things suggested in this thread make me think the lady on the call-in radio show complaining about the placement of deer crossings was a genius.
The deer should have been supplied with Bionic Commando-like grapple hook arms so they could cross freeways overhead and not visually mar the experience.
Nah, just build a new island in the Canadian Arctic and move them all there! We should also send runaway trucks there (it will be the point where the trucks are dropped from the helicopter).
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: GaryV on January 06, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
Some of the things suggested in this thread make me think the lady on the call-in radio show complaining about the placement of deer crossings was a genius.
The deer should have been supplied with Bionic Commando-like grapple hook arms so they could cross freeways overhead and not visually mar the experience.
Nah, just build a new island in the Canadian Arctic and move them all there! We should also send runaway trucks there (it will be the point where the trucks are dropped from the helicopter).
I'm down only these islands have Gulags.
How you compensating for accidental Telefrags?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 10:34:18 AM
How you compensating for accidental Telefrags?
I've thought about a device where you type in coordinates and teleport there, with certain allowed/disallowed regions (e.g. no military bases). It won't allow teleporting on water or a sloped surface; it will just notify you and refuse to teleport you. It can't distinguish any object from the ground, but it will see someone's head as sloped, so it will just refuse to teleport you. (If it did teleport you, it would teleport you on top of that person, not within, likely injuring but not killing the other person. Lawsuits are still possible.) Teleporting onto a busy roadway, on the other hand, will likely get you hit by a car.
Sounds like someone never watched a single iteration of The Fly. Also, riffing ole "Howard Hughes" there isn't going to win you forum points. Probably worth noting that he actively campaigned for the benefits of global warming on this forum.
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2023, 12:52:13 AM
I wonder if better enforcement of brake check areas at the tops of long grades would reduce the number of runaway trucks.
I wonder if that would help, or if most brake failures are due to speed on the downhill and thus overuse of brakes trying to slow down.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 11:57:08 AM
Global warming is actually a good thing, he's right if he was doing that. I'm sick of the brutally cold winters.
On Long Island? People that actually experience 'brutally cold winters' would be wearing shorts in your neighborhood in the winter.
This thread in three words:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 11:57:08 AM
Global warming is actually a good thing, he's right if he was doing that. I'm sick of the brutally cold winters.
Or, perhaps you could just move to a climate more to your liking? It's not like you don't have the cash on hand to fund such an endeavor.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
I want the coldest temperature/overnight low in the winter to be 40.
Move to Eureka, California. Wikipedia says the average low in January is 40.8°F. The entire West Coast is quite mild.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
Even Texas has had some single digit weather in the winter in recent years. I want the coldest temperature/overnight low in the winter to be 40. Some locations on the planet still hit 100 below zero. They call that "warm"? That's literally colder than some regions of suborbital space.
Some is better than always? When I lived on mainland Florida it snowed briefly once but for the most part winters were pretty pleasant. In Arizona the overnight temperatures dropped to around freezing but it got warm during the day. In Fresno the weather usually never drops below the high 30s in the winter but there is substantial rain and fog. The only place I've lived where the temperature never dropped below 55F was the Florida Keys.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 09:30:51 AM
And he says runaway truck ramps are bad because they are not "interstate standard". If they were paved they wouldn't work!
They would be redesigned as to have the right combination of flat stretches, inclined stretches, and downhill stretches, at the right angles, so a truck entering it at average highway/runaway speed would end up settled at the other end/in the middle of the ramp. Pure geometry and physics. But it would be paved to interstate highway standards.
But isn't it just easier to not have it paved?
Do you have Facebook MMM.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid04aoBhwDcFNJ69ycwBdAgoW8aSvY8iUY3tgTpLnZx8Banfo87ruPNc2F3TTGH271Vl&id=1430229987281044
Click on the link above if you do.
Too bad it don't link to a public site as many of you would agree it's a real Door County, WI road that would not find favor with MMM.
Anyone signed to FB please link. :bigass:
Better yet, show that link to Crash_It.
Quote from: 1 on January 06, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
I want the coldest temperature/overnight low in the winter to be 40.
Move to Eureka, California. Wikipedia says the average low in January is 40.8°F. The entire West Coast is quite mild.
theres my plan
Quote from: Takumi on January 06, 2023, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 06, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
I want the coldest temperature/overnight low in the winter to be 40.
Move to Eureka, California. Wikipedia says the average low in January is 40.8°F. The entire West Coast is quite mild.
theres my plan
On my short list as well, I love to go hike up there. It would to be a post retirement thing though for me since the job market sucks in Humboldt County.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: Takumi on January 06, 2023, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 06, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
I want the coldest temperature/overnight low in the winter to be 40.
Move to Eureka, California. Wikipedia says the average low in January is 40.8°F. The entire West Coast is quite mild.
theres my plan
On my short list as well, I love to go hike up there. It would to be a post retirement thing though for me since the job market sucks in Humboldt County.
It does look lovely, but I was making a reference (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0).
Quote from: Takumi on January 06, 2023, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 06, 2023, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: Takumi on January 06, 2023, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 06, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
I want the coldest temperature/overnight low in the winter to be 40.
Move to Eureka, California. Wikipedia says the average low in January is 40.8°F. The entire West Coast is quite mild.
theres my plan
On my short list as well, I love to go hike up there. It would to be a post retirement thing though for me since the job market sucks in Humboldt County.
It does look lovely, but I was making a reference (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0).
Ah yes, you do have to watch for Eureka PD if you can't keep your mouth shut about "certain greater nations."
^ 'That was offensive, insulting, and inappropriate'
EUREKA
Quote from: US 89 on January 06, 2023, 12:55:24 AM
Quote from: kkt on January 06, 2023, 12:52:13 AM
I wonder if better enforcement of brake check areas at the tops of long grades would reduce the number of runaway trucks.
I bet the cost of paying more police officers to sit at brake check areas is more than what would be saved by eliminating what would likely be a single digit number of runaway trucks over several years.
The societal cost would be negative, since these cops would be doing something useful rather than standing by while their friends or coworkers murder.
Well it would be more useful than like running radar or whatever.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 07, 2023, 05:52:47 PM
CO-91
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ar9894cMHTYhwP289
I wonder if the area off to the left is a good location to put the heliport for this plan?
Just have them take off from the Mayflower Tailing Pond.
Well the base should be at the windy weavy stretch of I-70, where a runaway truck would be most likely to crash.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 07, 2023, 06:00:21 PM
Well the base should be at the windy weavy stretch of I-70, where a runaway truck would be most likely to crash.
That way they can crash into the helicopters instead of other cars.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 07, 2023, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 07, 2023, 06:00:21 PM
Well the base should be at the windy weavy stretch of I-70, where a runaway truck would be most likely to crash.
That way they can crash into the helicopters instead of other cars.
And presumably dump the wreck into the readily available tailing ponds just south of the CO 91 junction.
These aren't suicide missions. Properly done, this plan wouldn't leave a scratch on the truck, driver, helicopter, or the pilot. The entire base could be solar powered given how nice and high up in the mountains it is, and even a little tourist attraction could spring up near it where people can look at helicopters not in use, talk to the pilots who are off duty, and areas where kids could play with small electromagnets, a small aviation museum and military recruitment center...etc, all of this near the Denver Metro Area.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 07, 2023, 07:53:04 PM
These aren't suicide missions. Properly done, this plan wouldn't leave a scratch on the truck, driver, helicopter, or the pilot. The entire base could be solar powered given how nice and high up in the mountains it is, and even a little tourist attraction could spring up near it where people can look at helicopters not in use, talk to the pilots who are off duty, and areas where kids could play with small electromagnets, a small aviation museum and military recruitment center...etc, all of this near the Denver Metro Area.
They why factor people at all? Just replace the truck drivers and helicopter with robots, problem solved.
Quote from: kirbykart on January 06, 2023, 09:30:51 AMAnd he says runaway truck ramps are bad because they are not "interstate standard". If they were paved they wouldn't work!
Actually, paved ramps--where the stopping action is provided by cable arrestors (similar to those used on aircraft carriers) rather than pea gravel--are now popular. There are at least four examples in North America, all built in the last 20 years: (1) US 44 Avon Mountain in Connecticut (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8051929,-72.8153404,163m/data=!3m1!1e3) (I think this was the first to be built); (2) Hwy. 11 in North Bay, Ontario (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.3403801,-79.4691631,3a,57.3y,157.7h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szZGnASW8QMgSl5arVcFs8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192); (3) SR 22 east of Teton Pass near Jackson, Wyoming (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4951631,-110.9081141,3a,61.6y,59.66h,87.35t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEHRYjtJ_Cb6KZ-ay5mVY6g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DEHRYjtJ_Cb6KZ-ay5mVY6g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.06721%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656); and (4) SR 431 in Incline Village, Nevada (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2539146,-119.9703934,3a,26.5y,261.57h,85.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJ1bytvJV1cr0ZiX47XOD2Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJ1bytvJV1cr0ZiX47XOD2Q%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D49.412502%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192). The last-listed replaced a pea gravel ramp that killed one trucker (he stopped but his load kept going) yet failed to prevent several others from flying past the end and into the house nearby, where they caused extensive damage.
Runaway truck ramps are a proven technology, but they don't substitute for knowing how to drive in the mountains--specifically, relying on compression rather than friction to limit speed going downhill.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 07, 2023, 10:11:55 PMThere's a certain mode you are supposed to put your engine in when going downhill. What was the name of it? I was studying the commercial driver manual back in 2020. Don't you also have to activate your retarders?
Descent Mode? Where the engine braking takes over to save wear and tear on the main brakes.
This YouTube video gives a behind-the-wheel perspective of a descent down Seven Mountains Hill (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7526219,-77.6224901,3a,22y,236.3h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIaFvF0ScTYjC9gvIrIsabQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) along eastbound US 322 in Pennsylvania.
The driver advises observing the truck speed limit (which is 20 MPH on this stretch), choosing a gear such that the truck does not gain speed, and not counting on engine retarders exclusively--they are powerful, but can fail, leaving few options if the truck is flying down the hill at normal highway speeds.
We've had a previous thread on runaway truck ramps (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16976.0); Pennsylvania has more of them than any other US state (28, almost twice as many as runner-up Idaho with 15). I believe it also has more hill descent map signs, though I'm still trying to put together a comprehensive national list.
Meanwhile let's have a pad for UFOs to land so maybe they can land too and possible assist the workers and using far out lasers to repair even faster.
Let's just make the whole I-70 surface a giant electromagnet. Runaway truck, no problem! Turn on the magnet, it grabs hold of the steel in the truck, no more runaway truck!
The Colorado Department of Transportation is not responsible for injuries to occupants of vehicles, both the truck and any other vehicle unfortunate enough to be around it, whose bodies continue going 70 mph when their vehicle is magnetically brought to a stop. Valid in the continental United States at participating locations only. Offer not valid in all states. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. See official rules for details.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 09, 2023, 12:21:35 AM
Let's just make the whole I-70 surface a giant electromagnet. Runaway truck, no problem! Turn on the magnet, it grabs hold of the steel in the truck, no more runaway truck!
The Colorado Department of Transportation is not responsible for injuries to occupants of vehicles, both the truck and anyone other vehicle unfortunate enough to be around it, whose bodies continue going 70 mph when their vehicle is magnetically brought to a stop. Void where prohibited. At participating locations only. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. See official rules for details.
Or forcibly eject freight vehicles for obstructing traffic.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 09, 2023, 12:23:26 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 09, 2023, 12:21:35 AM
Let's just make the whole I-70 surface a giant electromagnet. Runaway truck, no problem! Turn on the magnet, it grabs hold of the steel in the truck, no more runaway truck!
The Colorado Department of Transportation is not responsible for injuries to occupants of vehicles, both the truck and anyone other vehicle unfortunate enough to be around it, whose bodies continue going 70 mph when their vehicle is magnetically brought to a stop. Void where prohibited. At participating locations only. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. See official rules for details.
Or forcibly eject freight vehicles for obstructing traffic.
Or the driver of the truck not wearing his seatbelt and thrown through his own windshield.
Too bad MMM wasn't around when OJ Simpson led cops on that infamous chase up I-405. His technology could have captured OJ by using electromagnetic energy to stop the SUV. After all there was the police chopper above following. Why not attach the magnet to that and viola, he's stopped on the four oh five.
How about police trading stop sticks for electromagnets in stopping a runaway vehicle eluding police custody.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 09, 2023, 12:21:35 AM
Let's just make the whole I-70 surface a giant electromagnet. Runaway truck, no problem! Turn on the magnet, it grabs hold of the steel in the truck, no more runaway truck!
The Colorado Department of Transportation is not responsible for injuries to occupants of vehicles, both the truck and any other vehicle unfortunate enough to be around it, whose bodies continue going 70 mph when their vehicle is magnetically brought to a stop. Valid in the continental United States at participating locations only. Offer not valid in all states. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. See official rules for details.
Actually they are already developing a similar version of this idea in roads that charge electric cars as they drive on them. I think the helicopter option is much cheaper than that though. Not to mention that would affect every other car on the road nearby.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 09, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
Meanwhile let's have a pad for UFOs to land so maybe they can land too and possible assist the workers and using far out lasers to repair even faster.
UFOs wouldn't choose a terrain like the Rockies to land on LOL. They would likely choose a more Spacecraft suitable site, like the salt flats, fields in the Midwest, eastern Long Island, Texas Plains, New Jersey/Pennsylvania...etc. The odds are astronomically more likely of a runaway truck situation happening at any given time, than a UFO landing in the US.
Question, do you say things like LOL and LMAO in regular in-person conversation?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 04, 2023, 11:32:40 AMNope, disgusting. And I don't know what pleasure the girl gets from that either.
And you don't have to know what pleasure the woman is getting. The only thing you need to know is that she's getting it.
🍿
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 09, 2023, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 09, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
Meanwhile let's have a pad for UFOs to land so maybe they can land too and possible assist the workers and using far out lasers to repair even faster.
UFOs wouldn't choose a terrain like the Rockies to land on LOL. They would likely choose a more Spacecraft suitable site, like the salt flats, fields in the Midwest, eastern Long Island, Texas Plains, New Jersey/Pennsylvania...etc. The odds are astronomically more likely of a runaway truck situation happening at any given time, than a UFO landing in the US.
Question, do you say things like LOL and LMAO in regular in-person conversation?
WTF how would that make any sense SMH
You seem to like to throw acronyms into the middle of typed sentences. Stands to reason you might actually say them in actual conversation also.
Read about the bonobos, before you start generalizing about "any animals"
Most animals mate only when it's their reproductive season but there are also quite a few (besides humans and bonobos) who mate at all seasons to form or reinforce pair bonds.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 09, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 09, 2023, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 09, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
Meanwhile let's have a pad for UFOs to land so maybe they can land too and possible assist the workers and using far out lasers to repair even faster.
UFOs wouldn't choose a terrain like the Rockies to land on LOL. They would likely choose a more Spacecraft suitable site, like the salt flats, fields in the Midwest, eastern Long Island, Texas Plains, New Jersey/Pennsylvania...etc. The odds are astronomically more likely of a runaway truck situation happening at any given time, than a UFO landing in the US.
Question, do you say things like LOL and LMAO in regular in-person conversation?
WTF how would that make any sense SMH
You seem to like to throw acronyms into the middle of typed sentences. Stands to reason you might actually say them in actual conversation also.
TBH I may have pronounced "LOL" once or twice, but I don't think I've ever really used them in speech, idk. Y R U so obsessed with that? That's just weird IMO.
Oh and this is coming from the guy who constantly refers to me as MMM.
ROTFL.
MDM it is then.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:52:40 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 09, 2023, 12:50:38 PM
Read about the bonobos, before you start generalizing about "any animals"
Most animals mate only when it's their reproductive season but there are also quite a few (besides humans and bonobos) who mate at all seasons to form or reinforce pair bonds.
Not that way!
And any that do obviously picked up on that behavior from humans (zookeepers..etc)
...zookeepers slap uglies in front of the animals? Nah, this is observed in the wild as well.
Another mammal that mates for pleasure: The dolphin.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMI ain't ever trying that.
I once had a conversation similar to this with a friend of mine, at another mutual friend's bachelor party:
Him: I don't like [performing cunnilingus]
Me: Why not?
Him: Well, I've never tried it
Me: Then how do you know you don't like it?
(The clergyman seated at the table said "Yeah!" to my response, go clergyman)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMNot only does it serve no reproductive purpose, but who wants to taste it?
I think it was Takumi who mentioned it, but I know there was another boarder who said that they would say things like this when they were a virgin, and so did I.
New thread idea?
"MDM critiques animal libido"
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:52:40 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 09, 2023, 12:50:38 PM
Read about the bonobos, before you start generalizing about "any animals"
Most animals mate only when it's their reproductive season but there are also quite a few (besides humans and bonobos) who mate at all seasons to form or reinforce pair bonds.
Not that way!
And any that do obviously picked up on that behavior from humans (zookeepers..etc)
Don't be silly. As pointed out, zookeepers are, you know, working while they are at work, and save their sex lives for at home. And there's truly amazing variety among wild animals in their sex practices, without benefit of seeing any humans.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 09, 2023, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMI ain't ever trying that.
I once had a conversation similar to this with a friend of mine, at another mutual friend's bachelor party:
Him: I don't like [performing cunnilingus]
Me: Why not?
Him: Well, I've never tried it
Me: Then how do you know you don't like it?
(The clergyman seated at the table said "Yeah!" to my response, go clergyman)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMNot only does it serve no reproductive purpose, but who wants to taste it?
I think it was Takumi who mentioned it, but I know there was another boarder who said that they would say things like this when they were a virgin, and so did I.
As I said, refraining from sexual stimulation has improved my mental health. But even if I were a total sex addict I don't think I would be into the oral/anal crap.
Can't get someone knocked up from oral or anal. I seem to recall you saying that was a big concern you had.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 02:18:42 PM
Still ain't as pleasurable. Not to mention the risk is still non-zero, like if you shoot out your load forcefully enough that is goes through to the other side, or it drips/bounces around and end up in the correct hole, or you get so caught up in the moment that you both roll over to missionary..etc, why take that chance, when a joyride in your car is a sufficient substitute to any sex.
I mean, how can you possibly know that without trying? You have a habit of saying you don't like things I you've never tried. And the pregnancy risk you cite basically is not something that happens in reality. A girl would literally need to expel the ejaculate and physically place it in her vagina. The scenario you is so exacting that it's silly.
Here is a challenge for you:
- Cite one documented example of a woman who has had oral or anal sex who then deliberately inserted the semen into her vagina and gotten pregnant from it. Double points if you find an instance if this was done with an explicit admission by said woman to milk a man for child support. Triple points if this was someone under the age of 18 who lied about their age.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 09, 2023, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMI ain't ever trying that.
I once had a conversation similar to this with a friend of mine, at another mutual friend's bachelor party:
Him: I don't like [performing cunnilingus]
Me: Why not?
Him: Well, I've never tried it
Me: Then how do you know you don't like it?
(The clergyman seated at the table said "Yeah!" to my response, go clergyman)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMNot only does it serve no reproductive purpose, but who wants to taste it?
I think it was Takumi who mentioned it, but I know there was another boarder who said that they would say things like this when they were a virgin, and so did I.
As I said, refraining from sexual stimulation has improved my mental health. But even if I were a total sex addict I don't think I would be into the oral/anal crap.
If only there was a middle ground between celibacy and total sex addiction...
Pretty sure I know where TripleM got his idea for the runaway truck helicopters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaGIb91Mi2w
:popcorn:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 09, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
Meanwhile let's have a pad for UFOs to land so maybe they can land too and possible assist the workers and using far out lasers to repair even faster.
UFOs wouldn't choose a terrain like the Rockies to land on LOL. They would likely choose a more Spacecraft suitable site, like the salt flats, fields in the Midwest, eastern Long Island, Texas Plains, New Jersey/Pennsylvania...etc. The odds are astronomically more likely of a runaway truck situation happening at any given time, than a UFO landing in the US.
Of course you have spoken with these aliens already. So you said.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 09, 2023, 05:00:06 PM
Pretty sure I know where TripleM got his idea for the runaway truck helicopters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaGIb91Mi2w
:popcorn:
Ta-da! Proof that it works! ;)
Running theme of this thread: MMM has never (had sex, driven in Colorado, piloted an airplane, been to space) so he has to make up a fictional version of what he imagines it must be like in order to have something to have strong opinions about.
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 09, 2023, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMI ain't ever trying that.
I once had a conversation similar to this with a friend of mine, at another mutual friend's bachelor party:
Him: I don't like [performing cunnilingus]
Me: Why not?
Him: Well, I've never tried it
Me: Then how do you know you don't like it?
(The clergyman seated at the table said "Yeah!" to my response, go clergyman)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PMNot only does it serve no reproductive purpose, but who wants to taste it?
I think it was Takumi who mentioned it, but I know there was another boarder who said that they would say things like this when they were a virgin, and so did I.
I don't think I was anywhere as, uh, adamant about that as MMM is, but when I was a virgin I didn't think I'd enjoy going down on a woman as much as I do. In general, without getting too graphic, what you
think sexual functions are going to feel like before you perform them typically isn't how they actually end up feeling. (That said, my fiancée and I have agreed that butt stuff doesn't sound appealing.)
Quote from: Takumi on January 09, 2023, 07:25:35 PM
I don't think I was anywhere as, uh, adamant about that as MMM is, but when I was a virgin I didn't think I'd enjoy going down on a woman as much as I do. In general, without getting too graphic, what you think sexual functions are going to feel like before you perform them typically isn't how they actually end up feeling. (That said, my fiancée and I have agreed that butt stuff doesn't sound appealing.)
I don't think virgins tend to instinctively know how emotionally rewarding providing pleasure to the other partner is, and thus cannot fathom why they would want to do that (and of course then cannot fathom why someone would want to do that to them). Personally, at times, I find it to be more enjoyable to give than to receive.
The risks of you bringing joy to another human being?
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I also have a feeling not many people have tried abstaining long enough to see how rapidly mental health, sleep, and mood improve.
I actually did, when I was your age. Those things are all better since I stopped abstaining.
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I don't think virgins tend to instinctively know how emotionally rewarding providing pleasure to the other partner is, and thus cannot fathom why they would want to do that (and of course then cannot fathom why someone would want to do that to them). Personally, at times, I find it to be more enjoyable to give than to receive.
Agreed on both counts, though there's a subset of virgins that think pleasure is a one-way street (and no, I am not calling anyone in this thread that).
what the fuck
My life has been better in every single way when I learned to stop being afraid of literally everything. I had diagnosed anxiety and depression before I was an adult. There is no amount of medication that I found that would fix either of those problems. What subjectively worked for me was letting go of my irrational fears and not letting them dictate how I live.
So much of what is being said in this thread appears to be irrational fear apparently dictating how someone lives their life. To me looking in from the outside and knowing what I experienced when I was young it sure seems like a horrible way to live. Then again, everyone is different and may/may not be able to find a way to manage their fears/anxiety.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 08:26:09 PM
Just risks of ruining my life with Pregnancy/false rape allegations/performance distress (from anxiety medication) and the fact that I feel better overall the less testosterone is flowing through my system.
Testosterone blockers do exist if this is a concern you have.
Also, your concern on performance distress because of anxiety meds. You ain't alone. I have it.
You don't have be trans to take testosterone blockers. I'm nonbinary. I have enby friends who want to take them. There's nothing wrong with it. I will say be careful though for you risk getting injured more easily if you do. Lower T does result in lower bone quality.
In the 1st grade I was diagnosed with ADHD. I began going to therapy in the 3rd Grade and started taking anxiety/depression medication during the 5th grade. The medication made me feel infinitely worse so I began to fake ingesting it the 7th grade. Usually I just threw the pills in the toilet and flushed them. Almost immediately I began to noticeably feel better which improved as time went on. I finally told my Mom that I wasn't taking the medicine in the 9th grade and I never went back to therapy after.
The primary difference as I began older was that began to apply myself more socially and got into playing sports. I think how my situation got started was that I wasn't doing well in school early on because I was bored. It seems silly me to think in retrospect that adults really believed a young child being bored by school was a reason for concern. All I wanted to do at that age was play sports, play games and hang out with friends. When I was younger I had issues with asthma, but once I trained that out it was no a barrier to doing things athletically. I guess confronting my problems rather than letting them run my life worked for me. Like I inferred above, mileage may vary.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 09:33:49 PM
I agree ADHD is essentially a fake disorder. Thinking 7 hrs of school a day with sleep deprivation and constant academic stress is ok for kids that young, is the disorder. They should teach actual life skills other than knowledge you will never use 97% of the time.
@Roadgeek. I intend to try an anti-androgen to reduce the drive. The sick irony is that Lexapro impedes the ability to satisfy sexual urges properly, while simultaneously sending my sex drive through the roof.
I'm going to tell you ADHD is not fake. By any sort of the imagination. It's real. I have plenty of friends with it.
That said, I am on Lexapro myself, 20MG every morning. Usually is the med that keeps me from beating the crap out of myself when I get frustrated. I personally don't mind the inflated sex drive (even though mine must not be as severe as yours and I'm very very very sexually active with other men), but it does drive me nuts that I can't perform so to speak. I can tell you many many times about the utter disappointment in me being unable to perform for the ultimate satisfaction of all involved parties. Again, there's no problem with you doing it, but a doctor isn't just going to hand you T blockers. Most likely you're going to have to be examined a bit before you can start.
I do question if my own childhood ADHD, depression and anxiety diagnoses were valid (for the reasons I cited above). That's not me saying that any of them aren't real disorders, they're certainly plenty of evidence to show that they are. My situation was also back in the era of the 1980s and 1990s, I assume behavioral health has progressed significantly since.
All the same my own experience when I was a kid really left me a sour taste towards the behavioral health field. If anything I felt like I was labeled in my youth and it hard to get anyone to accept the things I was telling them. Really for me the problem was just being unhappy until I started working up the courage to do the things I wanted to do my youth.
Ironically my wife works in behavioral health. I've told her these stories, she seems surprised that was diagnosed with anything.
20mg is what I need, it's worked for 8 years plus.
"All the same my own experience when I was a kid really left me a sour taste towards the behavioral health field. If anything I felt like I was labeled in my youth and it hard to get anyone to accept the things I was telling them. Really for me the problem was just being unhappy until I started working up the courage to do the things I wanted to do my youth."
Kids should have the final say in receiving or refusing medical care, and no I am not saying kids should be allowed to refuse vaccines cause they're afraid of the needle. What I mean is, a sick kid who wants to go to the doctor shouldn't be deprived of treatment due to parents "religious beliefs". Conversely, a 17 yo shouldn't be forced to have chemotherapy she doesn't want (search up the case of Cassandra in Connecticut from several years ago). Decisions concerning long term and/or invasive medical care or medications should be primarily the patients decision, regardless of age. But in a deranged, hypocritical country like ours that denies adolescents the rights of an adult, while charging them as adults in the justice system, the resistance against passing laws like that protecting children's medical rights would be enormous. One of the reasons I canceled my republican party registration.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 09:33:49 PM
I agree ADHD is essentially a fake disorder. Thinking 7 hrs of school a day with sleep deprivation and constant academic stress is ok for kids that young, is the disorder. They should teach actual life skills other than knowledge you will never use 97% of the time.
Disparaging disabled people by claiming their disability is a "fake disorder" is not tolerated on this forum. Warning issued.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 09:33:49 PM
I agree ADHD is essentially a fake disorder. Thinking 7 hrs of school a day with sleep deprivation and constant academic stress is ok for kids that young, is the disorder. They should teach actual life skills other than knowledge you will never use 97% of the time.
@Roadgeek. I intend to try an anti-androgen to reduce the drive. The sick irony is that Lexapro impedes the ability to satisfy sexual urges properly, while simultaneously sending my sex drive through the roof.
ADHD is real as I know somebody who has it. Refuses to admit it as well. And because he has ADHD he don’t see how it causes his mind not to be diverse, but focuses on one thing only.
He once asked me to sell my house to him when my mom died. He didn’t even hear me say the words “ Make me an offer!” and acted like I wasn’t saying anything. He was trying to convince me to sell him as for some reason he was convinced I wouldn’t sell him the house unless he persuaded me. After he first suggested I sell it to him I basically said “Sold, just make me an offer.” He kept continuing his persuasion for me to sell like I never said anything. I tried harder to get his attention that I was asking him to name his price, but he kept going at his persuasion. I got louder and louder almost screaming at him “Make me and offer!” Still no reaction to the words or my tone.
So he lost out on owning my house, however I thought he was ignoring my request on purpose as he couldn’t afford the 200k plus I would have asked him for. It turned out later I figured it out he had it as it can only be that for an explanation. It seems his brain won’t process the words coming in from his ears when his mouth is talking, which basically happens with attention disorders. Your brain shuts your ears off so you can concentrate the thought in your head that requires you to speak.
Nonetheless, he lost out on a good house, but months later he said” I told you to sell me the house, but you didn’t, and now you’re stuck.” Plus I was anxious to get rid of it and would have love to sell to him, but this guys ADHD prevented me from getting through simple words.
Ah, this thread may have jumped the shark.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 10, 2023, 04:39:46 PM
Ah, this thread may have jumped the shark.
Doesn't that imply that at one point it was actually good?
I was entertained.
I haven't done much foruming the past few days and just saw the last few pages of this. What the fuck.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 10, 2023, 04:41:22 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 10, 2023, 04:39:46 PM
Ah, this thread may have jumped the shark.
Doesn't that imply that at one point it was actually good?
I kind of look at threads like this much like my favorite bad movies. I would say this thread is the "Hard Ticket to Hawaii" equivalent. It's bad sure, but where else are you going to see a blow up doll detonated by a rocket launcher?
Note: this is an endorsement for Hard Ticket to Hawaii, not this thread.
Also, what thread was all this talk in before it was splintered off into this one? I can't even remember now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 06, 2023, 10:22:19 AM
They would be redesigned as to have the right combination of flat stretches, inclined stretches, and downhill stretches, at the right angles, so a truck entering it at average highway/runaway speed would end up settled at the other end/in the middle of the ramp. Pure geometry and physics. But it would be paved to interstate highway standards.
How did you calculate the speed, weight, aerodynamics, and rolling resistance of the runaway trucks ahead of time?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 07, 2023, 07:53:04 PM
Properly done, this plan wouldn't leave a scratch on the truck, driver, helicopter, or the pilot.
How would a hunk of metal impacting a vehicle at that speed not damage it?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
The odds are astronomically more likely of a runaway truck situation happening at any given time, than a UFO landing in the US.
I'm glad you pointed that out. I didn't want people to get the wrong idea, that UFO landings are more common than runaway trucks.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:42:46 PM
TBH I may have pronounced "LOL" once or twice
Then you pronounced it wrong. You may need to relearn the alphabet.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:45:57 PM
Not only does it serve no reproductive purpose, but who wants to taste it?
:wave:
Allow me to just say it outright, to be the most blunt in response to you: I enjoy giving my wife oral sex, and I have for years. We're happily married, in our 40s, with three children together, and it's something we do at least 50% of the times we have sex. I've been enjoying it since the beginning, and the appeal has not worn off in the slightest. Also, after I finger her, I lick it off my hands.
After you're done throwing up now or whatever, maybe you should consider toning down your opinions just a tad.
Dammit Kyle, now I have to go barf.
The meat of the problem and why I've created this thread in the first place is in kphoger's last sentence.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
Also, what thread was all this talk in before it was splintered off into this one? I can't even remember now.
There's a reason quote tags are hyperlinks.
Quote from: 1 on January 10, 2023, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
Also, what thread was all this talk in before it was splintered off into this one? I can't even remember now.
There's a reason quote tags are hyperlinks.
Is there a reason I need to cut down a giant quote on my cell phone to point out what is relevant to my reply?
I think you misinterpreted me. I'm saying that if you click the quote link in the OP, you'll find the original thread, which is "Minor things that bother you".
Ah, yes my mistake. I see what you were getting at now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 02:02:32 PM
I think Atomic clocks are a scam. You can't measure billionths of a second.
Just going to comment on the OP, and atomic clocks:
You can absolutely measure billionths of a second. And it is important for a lot of stuff, including GOS and Particle physics.
[Edited in relevant quote. -S.]
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 07:54:46 PM
Time dilation is a scam
lmao because you know better than a physicist
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 10, 2023, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 07:54:46 PM
Time dilation is a scam
lmao because you know better than a physicist
From another thread, where it's been determined that you're not supposed to use text acronyms and initialisms here:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 09, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 09, 2023, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 09, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
Meanwhile let's have a pad for UFOs to land so maybe they can land too and possible assist the workers and using far out lasers to repair even faster.
UFOs wouldn't choose a terrain like the Rockies to land on LOL. They would likely choose a more Spacecraft suitable site, like the salt flats, fields in the Midwest, eastern Long Island, Texas Plains, New Jersey/Pennsylvania...etc. The odds are astronomically more likely of a runaway truck situation happening at any given time, than a UFO landing in the US.
Question, do you say things like LOL and LMAO in regular in-person conversation?
WTF how would that make any sense SMH
You seem to like to throw acronyms into the middle of typed sentences. Stands to reason you might actually say them in actual conversation also.
TBH I may have pronounced "LOL" once or twice, but I don't think I've ever really used them in speech, idk. Y R U so obsessed with that? That's just weird IMO.
Oh and this is coming from the guy who constantly refers to me as MMM.
ROTFL.
Quote from: 1 on January 10, 2023, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 10, 2023, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 07:54:46 PM
Time dilation is a scam
lmao because you know better than a physicist
From another thread, where it's been determined that you're not supposed to use text acronyms and initialisms here:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 09, 2023, 12:42:46 PM
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idc
(For real, though, while I agree that overusing them should be avoided, using them from time to time in an unserious message doesn't bother me. At least most people have a chance at understanding them, unlike the typical Wikipedia "WP:!VOTE delete per WP:N and WP:5P. This is surely a case of WP:BEANS and WP:CSJ, and could result in WP:BITE and violating WP:3RR." (Only one of these is fake.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 08:48:09 PM
It's mathematical gobbledegook that doesn't translate to anything physically real.
The same is true of your posts.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 10, 2023, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 07:54:46 PM
Time dilation is a scam
lmao because you know better than a physicist
It's mathematical gobbledegook that doesn't translate to anything physically real. If it were true, that would imply every satellite, planet, car on the road..etc would have It's own clock. Give me a break. Physicists seem to have to this delusion that it "takes energy" to pass through time, which is a foundation of any time stretching theories that follow. One book I read said motion through space "takes away" from the available energy to move through time, so it has to slow down as compensation, to maintain the total sum of motion being equal to the speed of light or something. As I have said 2 or 3 times already, the math shows a positron is equal to an electron moving back in time. That doesn't mean all the matter in the universe is the same electron zigzagging back and forth in time trillions of times. Same thing with time dilation, it's just a theory based on a mathematical equivalence, with no physical evidence or any roots in common sense.
Tell that to the people who designed GPS (https://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/pogge.1/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html#:~:text=As%20such,%20when%20viewed%20from,by%2045%20microseconds%20per%20day.).
Quote from: US 89 on January 10, 2023, 04:47:08 PMI haven't done much foruming the past few days and just saw the last few pages of this. What the fuck.
ISWYDT.
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Post counts are scams.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2023, 10:27:16 PM
Post counts are scams.
Do post counts dilate at relativistic speeds?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
Atomic clocks are by themselves a scam, separate from time dilation physics being its own scam. No man-made machinery can measure planch time. And of course their claim is verified according to them, in the billionths of a second, so we have no way seeing with our own eyes if there was any actual difference. If you want to test it, send a space probe in extremely close orbit around the sun for a few years, so the increased gravity, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission all cumulate into one massive time dilation that could actually be registered with a normal clock in full seconds or even minutes. Claiming you have some device to scan the quantum vibrations of an atom and than taking that device on delta airlines to end up saying "hey look 999,999,997 nanoseconds passed instead of 1,000,000,000 nanoseconds so speed alters the flow of time!" is laughable. It's really two scams combined.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
Desperate to hit that 25,000 post mark aren't ya?
Atomic clocks are by themselves a scam, separate from time dilation physics being its own scam. No man-made machinery can measure planch time. And of course their claim is verified according to them, in the billionths of a second, so we have no way seeing with our own eyes if there was any actual difference. If you want to test it, send a space probe in extremely close orbit around the sun for a few years, so the increased gravity, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission all cumulate into one massive time dilation that could actually be registered with a normal clock in full seconds or even minutes. Claiming you have some device to scan the quantum vibrations of an atom and than taking that device on delta airlines to end up saying "hey look 999,999,997 nanoseconds passed instead of 1,000,000,000 nanoseconds so speed alters the flow of time!" is laughable. It's really two scams combined.
Just because you are ignorant of the math, doesn't mean they are scams.
Also, about the "send a spacecraft super close to the sun" , we did that. Are doing that. The Parker solar probe is getting within 10 solar radiuses of the sun. We'll definitely see something then, as that is one of the purposes of the mission.
Quote from: Duke87 on January 10, 2023, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2023, 10:27:16 PM
Post counts are scams.
Do post counts dilate at relativistic speeds?
Relativistic speeds are naive at best and a fib at worst. Depending on how you view it is relative.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 10:46:24 PM
To summarize, I am saying that the 3 false premises are:
1. Units of time smaller than a microsecond physically exist in the spacetime continuum.
2. Units smaller than the standard error of electronics, which is milliseconds, can be measured by such electronic devices, such as atomic clocks.
3. The laws of physics require a reduction in the flow of time as speed/acceleration increases.
Wait till you learn about the Planck time.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2023, 11:03:41 PM
Relativistic speeds are naive at best and a fib at worst.
FIBs can certainly be found driving at relativistic speeds, their state is flat enough for it.
Quote from: kphoger on January 10, 2023, 09:36:01 PM
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At least his talking about physics that he knows nothing about isn't as gross as him talking about sex that he knows nothing about.
I hope MMM randomly stumbles upon this thread when he's in his thirties.
New Title? How fitting being it started out about aviation going into an Autosexual's life. Yes there is such a title as Autosexual as I looked it up. A feminist named Ghia Vitale wrote a magazine article on it and then there was the North Dakota school teacher named Nadine who was on Anderson Cooper about her self marriage who really started that out.
It's a new definition just as Gender Neutral is to define gender allowing neither man or woman to exist if that so called individual wants to be not categorized.
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 01:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
He PMed me about his crack about ADHD and it seemed you got through to him as he expressed some nakedness for his offensive comment like Adam and Eve in the Garden Story after being caught.
Quote from: kphoger on May 08, 2017, 01:52:23 PM
I don't care how many posts I have.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc.
Quote from: kphoger on January 10, 2023, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
Desperate to hit that 25,000 post mark aren't ya?
You're the one who is obsessed with post counts. Not me.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 01:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
Thank goodness it's a title change. I was afraid there was another 18-page thread of innaneness.
Quote from: GaryV on January 11, 2023, 09:57:29 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 01:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
Thank goodness it's a title change. I was afraid there was another 18-page thread of innaneness.
18 pages would be considered pessimistic with him.
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 08, 2017, 01:52:23 PM
I don't care how many posts I have.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on December 05, 2022, 10:53:31 PM
Don't worry, when I get to 1000, you know with my numbering OCD I'll make sure it will stay exactly at 1000. Maybe I-ll go back and delete some low level "I agree" or "fair enough" replies to cancel out my new posts. Or I could delete a post and copy and paste the content back into one of my previous posts near it..etc.
Quote from: kphoger on January 10, 2023, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
Desperate to hit that 25,000 post mark aren't ya?
You're the one who is obsessed with post counts. Not me.
Never mind the fact MMM is deleting posts again. I assume he's doing this to get to a desired number?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 11:05:36 AM
Never mind the fact MMM is deleting posts again. I assume he's doing this to get to a desired number?
Too many forum posts start to weigh him down, which in turn makes his own personal clock get off.
Can admins disable an individual from deleting their own post? Not for everyone, just for specific people.
Asking for a friend, of course. :P
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2023, 03:36:52 PM
Can admins disable an individual from deleting their own post? Not for everyone, just for specific people.
It's possible to disable reporting (it's been done for NE2), so it's not out of the question.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2023, 03:36:52 PMCan admins disable an individual from deleting their own post?
Why? If I post "JoePCool14 has smelly feet," think better of it, and delete it, isn't it better than not thinking better of it?
MMM started the day at 1,137 posts and seems to be at 1,096 as of my writing this reply.
Worth asking again, can we just delete posts counts? It seems like they just cause trouble sooner or later on the forum.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 03:56:32 PM
MMM started the day at 1,137 posts and seems to be at 1,096 as of my writing this reply.
Worth asking again, can we just delete posts counts? It seems like they just cause trouble sooner or later on the forum.
Why is that necessary if MMM is the issue with it? Why should we all lose it?
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 11, 2023, 03:41:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2023, 03:36:52 PMCan admins disable an individual from deleting their own post?
Why? If I post "JoePCool14 has smelly feet," think better of it, and delete it, isn't it better than not thinking better of it?
You could also just edit the post. Even if you don't replace it with anything. Or ask a mod/admin to remove it.
This would be to stop MMM from deleting posts just to achieve a certain number. Unless he's actually wising up that some of his posts are downright ridiculous.
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2023, 03:36:52 PM
Can admins disable an individual from deleting their own post? Not for everyone, just for specific people.
It's possible to disable reporting (it's been done for NE2), so it's not out of the question.
I'm confused, can NE2 not report other's comments or can everyone here not report his comments?
Quote from: SectorZ on January 11, 2023, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2023, 03:36:52 PM
Can admins disable an individual from deleting their own post? Not for everyone, just for specific people.
It's possible to disable reporting (it's been done for NE2), so it's not out of the question.
I'm confused, can NE2 not report other's comments or can everyone here not report his comments?
He can't report other people's comments.
I've never reported a comment on here, and likely never will. That just becomes a slippery slope to ultimately reporting comments that are just "nasty" or ones that you don't agree with, even if they don't actually violate specific rules. If a comment genuinely deserves to be deleted, probably a mod would do so anyway without user reports.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 01:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
So are you going to Merge Max's quote-based threads all into this one too? And still no one has provided an actual physical explanation of why motion through space has anything to do with the flow of time.
Probably, although I am hoping he'll stop doing that so I don't have to.
The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene has an excellent explanation of how and why time dilation happens (without using any math), should you be interested in actually educating yourself.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 11, 2023, 03:36:52 PM
Can admins disable an individual from deleting their own post? Not for everyone, just for specific people.
Yes. We can also disable post editing on an individual basis. We have done both in the past when people have proven they can't be trusted with the function.
It has also been said that admins have the ability to edit post counts. Does an edited count still increment? Is it an option to substitute the post count with a free text string like "1000 (nominal)" or "1000 (intentionally imprecise estimate)"?
Don't merge threads if their timestamps would interleave. Unlike Angelo71's threads, MMM's threads have humor value going back and reading them, and merging the threads would disrupt that.
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 11, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
It has also been said that admins have the ability to edit post counts. Does an edited count still increment? Is it an option to substitute the post count with a free text string like "1000 (nominal)" or "1000 (intentionally imprecise estimate)"?
I haven't experimented with it too much (for obvious reasons), but on the few occasions I've done it, the software continued to increment or decrement the post count as the user carried on their normal activities. As a result (and because MySQL requires explicit datatypes for its fields), my instinct is that it would only accept an integer value.
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 04:45:45 PM
Don't merge threads if their timestamps would interleave. Unlike Angelo71's threads, MMM's threads have humor value going back and reading them, and merging the threads would disrupt that.
My judgement is that the reading difficulty inherent to interleaving threads in this fashion pales in comparison to the reading difficulty inherent to allowing multitudes of threads dominated by one user to proliferate. That is, in this case, the interests of those not wanting to read MMM at all outweigh the interests of those who do. Consider this an off-topic "MMM in one thread 2.0"-style containment thread.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 04:49:39 PM
My judgement is that the reading difficulty inherent to interleaving threads in this fashion pales in comparison to the reading difficulty inherent to allowing multitudes of threads dominated by one user to proliferate. That is, in this case, the interests of those not wanting to read MMM at all outweigh the interests of those who do. Consider this an off-topic "MMM in one thread 2.0"-style containment thread.
I seem to remember, back in the dusty recesses of my mind, a couple of times when actual road-related threads were merged and it became a bit of a chore trying to untangle and recombine the separate discussion threads. However, it seems to me, the majority of cases in which a thread merge might be preferable are off-topic discussions. As such, I shouldn't worry too much about that difficulty. That is to say, how high on the list of this forum's guiding principles is 'not disrupting humor value'?
(I do realize that this in response to the man who singlehandedly 'made Alanland funny again'.)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 03:56:32 PM
MMM started the day at 1,137 posts and seems to be at 1,096 as of my writing this reply.
Worth asking again, can we just delete posts counts? It seems like they just cause trouble sooner or later on the forum.
Ironically, the idea that some people are closely following other specific users' post counts is a good reason why they should be removed.
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 04:49:39 PM
My judgement is that the reading difficulty inherent to interleaving threads in this fashion pales in comparison to the reading difficulty inherent to allowing multitudes of threads dominated by one user to proliferate. That is, in this case, the interests of those not wanting to read MMM at all outweigh the interests of those who do. Consider this an off-topic "MMM in one thread 2.0"-style containment thread.
I seem to remember, back in the dusty recesses of my mind, a couple of times when actual road-related threads were merged and it became a bit of a chore trying to untangle and recombine the separate discussion threads. However, it seems to me, the majority of cases in which a thread merge might be preferable are off-topic discussions. As such, I shouldn't worry too much about that difficulty. That is to say, how high on the list of this forum's guiding principles is 'not disrupting humor value'?
(I do realize that this in response to the man who singlehandedly 'made Alanland funny again'.)
I'll try to keep humor alive if there's an opportunity to do so, but it takes a back seat to readability and encouraging on-topic discussion.
When it comes to on-topic discussions, I'm generally in favor of many small threads that do one thing and do it well as opposed to large, conglomerated threads, for the very reason you cite. (There is also the benefit that a "question-answer-thank you" subject can quickly and gracefully drop out of view without interrupting conversations with more staying power.) As a result, I'm generally opposed to the general threads that cover all topics regarding a single state, but enough people like them that I've learned to live with them.
In the case of this thread, the two competing interests are "readability of the MMM thread" vs. "readability of the forum at large". I'm not sure there's a cogent argument in favor of prioritizing the former over the latter, even at the expense of the humor value.
Quote from: thspfc on January 11, 2023, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 03:56:32 PM
MMM started the day at 1,137 posts and seems to be at 1,096 as of my writing this reply.
Worth asking again, can we just delete posts counts? It seems like they just cause trouble sooner or later on the forum.
Ironically, the idea that some people are closely following other specific users' post counts is a good reason why they should be removed.
If they went away they won't be a topic for discussion or controversy (aside from people being upset they became hidden). When the post count thing popped up a couple years back with RGT and some others I was in favor of just removing the post count number. The forum statistics used to be similarly accessible but likewise was hidden after it became a source of problems.
That's why I semi-seriously suggested it be replaced by the number from the "lowest route number you haven't been on" thread. It's a better proxy of experience than post count. Unfortunately, it is far more easily gamed (I could see someone fraudulently claiming a four-digit number, and given that there's more or less always been an honor system in play when it comes to self-reported clinch records, I imagine that might negatively impact the comity of the forum).
But why do we need numbers at all? Most of us who have been around for awhile know who the actual relevant people in the road community are. Someone would still be able to break into the community if they actually contributed something worthwhile.
I base my theory off the road groups on Facebook. They don't have post counts and generally tend to have less problems with the MMMs/tolbs types of the world. Granted, that could also be due to more moderation also depending the group.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 05:10:05 PM
In the case of this thread, the two competing interests are "readability of the MMM thread" vs. "readability of the forum at large". I'm not sure there's a cogent argument in favor of prioritizing the former over the latter, even at the expense of the humor value.
Exactly. Preserving the integrity of schlock shouldn't be a core value.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 05:34:33 PM
But why do we need numbers at all?
The badges are a fun and somewhat reliable way of gauging a member's seniority on the forum, and they're tied to the actual number of posts. Therefore, I wouldn't oppose removing the actual number from thread visibility as long as the badge stays in place. Maybe the number should just be visible by going to a member's profile; that way, if someone else really wants to know, he can still find out.
If this is now considered to be a "MMM 2" style thread, am I allowed to post fictional interstate highway plans in here, because this isn't in the fictional board?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 04:49:39 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on January 11, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
It has also been said that admins have the ability to edit post counts. Does an edited count still increment? Is it an option to substitute the post count with a free text string like "1000 (nominal)" or "1000 (intentionally imprecise estimate)"?
I haven't experimented with it too much (for obvious reasons), but on the few occasions I've done it, the software continued to increment or decrement the post count as the user carried on their normal activities. As a result (and because MySQL requires explicit datatypes for its fields), my instinct is that it would only accept an integer value.
Many thanks for this! I was wondering if that particular field was typed, and it seems it is.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 05:34:33 PMBut why do we need numbers at all? Most of us who have been around for awhile know who the actual relevant people in the road community are. Someone would still be able to break into the community if they actually contributed something worthwhile.
I base my theory off the road groups on Facebook. They don't have post counts and generally tend to have less problems with the MMMs/tolbs types of the world. Granted, that could also be due to more moderation also depending the group.
I don't think the Facebook road-related groups necessarily offer a useful model in this regard, not just because of the moderation that often comes across as heavy-handed--"Crop that damn hood out of this photo!"--but also because post visibility and engagement is influenced by algorithms we lack the technical capability, let alone the desire, to deploy.
They also occasionally have their problems with members who don't understand their audience. Not long ago the FreewayJim moderators were trying to discourage someone who, apparently as a New Year's resolution, was planning what sounded like Interstate infodumps.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 05:34:33 PM
But why do we need numbers at all? Most of us who have been around for awhile know who the actual relevant people in the road community are. Someone would still be able to break into the community if they actually contributed something worthwhile.
Y'all take this way too seriously.
Quote from: thspfc on January 11, 2023, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 05:34:33 PM
But why do we need numbers at all? Most of us who have been around for awhile know who the actual relevant people in the road community are. Someone would still be able to break into the community if they actually contributed something worthwhile.
Y'all take this way too seriously.
It's almost as though I co-admin a highway website and several highway groups or something.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 06:02:14 PM
If this is now considered to be a "MMM 2" style thread, am I allowed to post fictional interstate highway plans in here, because this isn't in the fictional board?
I would say the ideal would be if you had one thread here and one thread in fictional, and kept inside both of them. (Not to say that you can't post outside of them ever but...a lot of your opinions are strong enough they tend to drown out everyone else's because everyone feels compelled to rebut you.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 01:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
So are you going to Merge Max's quote-based threads all into this one too? And still no one has provided an actual physical explanation of why motion through space has anything to do with the flow of time.
If you really wanted to know, you should have taken a modern physics class in college.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 06:02:14 PM
If this is now considered to be a "MMM 2" style thread, am I allowed to post fictional interstate highway plans in here, because this isn't in the fictional board?
I would say the ideal would be if you had one thread here and one thread in fictional, and kept inside both of them. (Not to say that you can't post outside of them ever but...a lot of your opinions are strong enough they tend to drown out everyone else's because everyone feels compelled to rebut you.)
Fair enough, but since the fictional one was locked I don't know if I should create one within that board.
@kkt I read the book "The Fabric of the Cosmos".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 06:44:32 PM
Fair enough, but since the fictional one was locked I don't know if I should create one within that board.
I'd say go for it, but keep it tightly contained to fictional highway plans. If you can do that, you should be fine.
Quote from: kkt on January 11, 2023, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 01:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
I suspect Scott changed the thread name? I refused to based off MMM's comments to me.
I went ahead and did so in order to have a good merge target for his rants in other threads.
So are you going to Merge Max's quote-based threads all into this one too? And still no one has provided an actual physical explanation of why motion through space has anything to do with the flow of time.
If you really wanted to know, you should have taken a modern physics class in college.
In an ideal world I wouldn't have felt compelled to start quote threads. Trouble was some pretty unique stuff was invading viable threads and bringing them crashing down to eventual locks. The I-11 thread in Fictional was the classic example of this.
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
There's no way to do this without writing SQL queries to do so, and the risk of botching a query and corrupting the entire forum database is so great I wouldn't do it just to make an MMM thread 3% more coherent.
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
Changing timestamps is in the category of Not Being Nice to Fool Mother Nature.
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
And if there's enough threads to be combined, a user could end up posting before they joined the forum, or even before they were born.
Quote from: GaryV on January 12, 1970, 07:55:10 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 1970, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
And if there's enough threads to be combined, a user could end up posting before they joined the forum, or even before they were born.
This forum handles dates back to 1970.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
There's no way to do this without writing SQL queries to do so, and the risk of botching a query and corrupting the entire forum database is so great I wouldn't do it just to make an MMM thread 3% more coherent.
Wait, there's a way to make MMM threads coherent?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on January 12, 2023, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
There's no way to do this without writing SQL queries to do so, and the risk of botching a query and corrupting the entire forum database is so great I wouldn't do it just to make an MMM thread 3% more coherent.
Wait, there's a way to make MMM threads coherent?
Yes, send them back in time and a branch reality. Discarding threads onto another universe fits the new name of the thread.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2023, 06:37:33 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 10, 2023, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
Also, what thread was all this talk in before it was splintered off into this one? I can't even remember now.
There's a reason quote tags are hyperlinks.
Is there a reason I need to cut down a giant quote on my cell phone to point out what is relevant to my reply?
I would ask, is there a reason
not to cut down a giant quote to only reply to what is relevant?
I used to think it was a major annoyance to trim quotes on mobile, but that's because I was doing it wrong. Select all and trimming out what you don't need is barely harder than doing it on a laptop.
Quote from: webny99 on January 12, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
I would ask, is there a reason not to cut down a giant quote to only reply to what is relevant?
I used to think it was a major annoyance to trim quotes on mobile, but that's because I was doing it wrong. Select all and trimming out what you don't need is barely harder than doing it on a laptop.
While much less common than what I'm doing in this post, there are times when someone replies to different points in a long post separately, which requires duplicating the quote before trimming it. This is much harder to do on a phone.
Quote from: webny99 on January 12, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2023, 06:37:33 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 10, 2023, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
Also, what thread was all this talk in before it was splintered off into this one? I can't even remember now.
There's a reason quote tags are hyperlinks.
Is there a reason I need to cut down a giant quote on my cell phone to point out what is relevant to my reply?
I would ask, is there a reason not to cut down a giant quote to only reply to what is relevant?
I used to think it was a major annoyance to trim quotes on mobile, but that's because I was doing it wrong. Select all and trimming out what you don't need is barely harder than doing it on a laptop.
When there is multiple quote breaks you have to go into the preview tab usually multiple times to see if the post format is right. That's time I don't necessarily always have when I have meeting to go to and the applicable reply is literally within sight of my own.
I hadn't thought about split quotes. Those are a bit of a pain, even on a laptop.
If I'm replying to the post(s) directly above mine, but don't want to quote and/or trim a massive string, I'll often just reply without quoting, as I'm doing now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 06:37:25 PM
4. Further helicopter specifications include:
EM cable capable of lifting 100,000 pounds
Triple-Redundant Laser targeting system for aiming the
grappling hooks.
All cables will have anti-swivel lock mechanisms to stop the truck from spinning around in the air as they haul it away, once it's in the desired position.
Helicopter top speed of 100 mph while truck towing, and 300 mph when not towing.
I would like to point out that there appears to have been no consideration given to the trailer behind the truck. Sure, an EM could grab the roof of the cab, but what about the load it's pulling? Dangling a trailer in mid-air, held up only by the fifth wheel connection, seems like a concern.
However, if done properly, one EM could grab the cab, and another grab the trailer. Assuming each is attached to a different point on the chopper, this would eliminate the need for the absolutely ridiculous anti-swivel lock mechanism. [/sarc]
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 04:49:39 PM
to increment or decrement the post count
↓ How does this happen? ↓
(https://i.imgur.com/wMTml3e.jpg)
Being set to 0 after being banned.
Wasn't that the guy who has some whole weird fixation on slow speed limits?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2023, 11:35:53 AM
Wasn't that the guy who has some whole weird fixation on slow speed limits?
His sock was. Mike2357's account mentioned it once or maybe a few times but didn't dwell on it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2023, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on January 12, 2023, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
There's no way to do this without writing SQL queries to do so, and the risk of botching a query and corrupting the entire forum database is so great I wouldn't do it just to make an MMM thread 3% more coherent.
Wait, there's a way to make MMM threads coherent?
Yes, send them back in time and a branch reality. Discarding threads onto another universe fits the new name of the thread.
Branch reality? Dear God, am I going to have to set up a git repo just to manage MMM posts?
Quote from: 1 on January 12, 2023, 11:32:54 AM
Being set to 0 after being banned.
This is the correct answer. I've done that a few times as a way to show that the person isn't ever coming back.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 12, 2023, 12:20:21 PM
This is the correct answer. I've done that a few times as a way to show that the person isn't ever coming back.
Have you considered setting a daily reminder to manually adjust MultiDozenMiler's post count to 483 as a way to show that the person will never get to exactly 1000 posts?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 12, 2023, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2023, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on January 12, 2023, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 11, 2023, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
I would support merging the threads as long as you change the timestamps first. For example, keep this thread where it is, move every post in Thread A back one year, Thread B back two years, etc.
There's no way to do this without writing SQL queries to do so, and the risk of botching a query and corrupting the entire forum database is so great I wouldn't do it just to make an MMM thread 3% more coherent.
Wait, there's a way to make MMM threads coherent?
Yes, send them back in time and a branch reality. Discarding threads onto another universe fits the new name of the thread.
Branch reality? Dear God, am I going to have to set up a git repo just to manage MMM posts?
Quote from: 1 on January 12, 2023, 11:32:54 AM
Being set to 0 after being banned.
This is the correct answer. I've done that a few times as a way to show that the person isn't ever coming back.
If you dump the problem at hand in this universe (let's call it AAroads-616) onto another version of you, can you really say it is your problem anymore? Do you view the other Scotts in the multiverse as an extension of you or just as you would anyone else? I can't say that I would be all that concerned about creating problems for "AAroads-838 Max Rockatansky" if it took a burden off my plate. Of course, this assumes alternate Scott wouldn't have the means to retaliate through the multiverse?
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2023, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 12, 2023, 12:20:21 PM
This is the correct answer. I've done that a few times as a way to show that the person isn't ever coming back.
Have you considered setting a daily reminder to manually adjust MultiDozenMiler's post count to 483 as a way to show that the person will never get to exactly 1000 posts?
Nah, you gotta switch it to either 483, 65, 777, 219, 237, 448, or 989 every day, randomly choosing between the seven. Change it at either 8:16, 8:37, or 8:04 every morning, randomly choosing between the three.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2023, 12:36:28 PM
If you dump the problem at hand in this universe (let's call it AAroads-616) onto another version of you, can you really say it is your problem anymore? Do you view the other Scotts in the multiverse as an extension of you or just as you would anyone else? I can't say that I would be all that concerned about creating problems for "AAroads-838 Max Rockatansky" if it took a burden off my plate. Of course, this assumes alternate Scott wouldn't have the means to retaliate through the multiverse?
I probably wouldn't cause problems for my alternate universe self because I wouldn't want my alternate universe self to cause me problems.
Besides, at least one of my alternate selves probably took that casino management job when it was offered and is thus probably an alcoholic, and I feel bad for the guy.
Quote from: kirbykart on January 12, 2023, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2023, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 12, 2023, 12:20:21 PM
This is the correct answer. I've done that a few times as a way to show that the person isn't ever coming back.
Have you considered setting a daily reminder to manually adjust MultiDozenMiler's post count to 483 as a way to show that the person will never get to exactly 1000 posts?
Nah, you gotta switch it to either 483, 65, 777, 219, 237, 448, or 989 every day, randomly choosing between the seven. Change it at either 8:16, 8:37, or 8:04 every morning, randomly choosing between the three.
There are 3 digit numbers that I like, I won't say what they are though :-D
680, 480, and 678?
Nope!
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 12, 2023, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2023, 12:36:28 PM
If you dump the problem at hand in this universe (let's call it AAroads-616) onto another version of you, can you really say it is your problem anymore? Do you view the other Scotts in the multiverse as an extension of you or just as you would anyone else? I can't say that I would be all that concerned about creating problems for "AAroads-838 Max Rockatansky" if it took a burden off my plate. Of course, this assumes alternate Scott wouldn't have the means to retaliate through the multiverse?
I probably wouldn't cause problems for my alternate universe self because I wouldn't want my alternate universe self to cause me problems.
You're assuming that your alternate universe self operates under a
quid pro quo mentality. But what if it's the alternate universe in which alternate-you would never cause real-you any problems as a matter of principle? Then again, it's just as likely to be the alternate universe in which alternate-you looks for every opportunity to cause real-you problems, no matter what you do. Then again, it's just as likely to be the alternate universe in which alternate-you bases his actions toward real-you on the current color of the LED color-changing Elvis wall clock he bought on Amazon one night while he was stoned out of his mind.
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2023, 02:24:04 PM
Then again, it's just as likely to be the alternate universe in which alternate-you bases his actions toward real-you on the current color of the LED color-changing Elvis wall clock he bought on Amazon one night while he was stoned out of his mind.
It was replacement smoke detectors for every room in the house, actually. (That's what I get for watching Technology Connections while I'm high, I guess.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 12, 2023, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2023, 02:24:04 PM
Then again, it's just as likely to be the alternate universe in which alternate-you bases his actions toward real-you on the current color of the LED color-changing Elvis wall clock he bought on Amazon one night while he was stoned out of his mind.
It was replacement smoke detectors for every room in the house, actually. (That's what I get for watching Technology Connections while I'm high, I guess.)
Wrong universe, bub.
There's no way MMM likes 420. I can tell he's an 'upper' kind of person.
:P
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 12, 2023, 04:46:19 PM
There's no way MMM likes 420. I can tell he's an 'upper' kind of person.
:P
420 was the height of the top thrill dragster rollercoaster.
When Scott suggested 997 and 1002, I liked both those numbers, 997 being the largest 3 digit prime number, and 1002 looking more realistic because it's slightly over 1000 but not exactly 1000. The only thing with a 3 digit number is that I'd lose my expressway tag
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 12, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
The only thing with a 3 digit number is that I'd lose my expressway tag
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on November 20, 2022, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 20, 2022, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on November 20, 2022, 08:15:01 PM
I was whining about 2 lane total roads, not 2 lanes each direction, although ideally, all interstate standard roads should be 3 lanes each direction. Don't tell me there's actual roads that are just 1 lane total and the two cars have to negotiate around each other...
Hold on to your hat, MMM, but that's exactly what Max is saying. 1 lane total. If you meet another car, one car backs up until you get to a wide spot where you can pass.
No, no, NO!
Please tell me he's joking...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on November 22, 2022, 03:46:22 PM
Also, no, I have never driven any gravel/dirt roads.
Something tells me "Dirt Road" would be a better fit. :awesomeface:
Quote from: davewiecking on January 12, 2023, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 06:37:25 PM
4. Further helicopter specifications include:
EM cable capable of lifting 100,000 pounds
Triple-Redundant Laser targeting system for aiming the
grappling hooks.
All cables will have anti-swivel lock mechanisms to stop the truck from spinning around in the air as they haul it away, once it's in the desired position.
Helicopter top speed of 100 mph while truck towing, and 300 mph when not towing.
I would like to point out that there appears to have been no consideration given to the trailer behind the truck. Sure, an EM could grab the roof of the cab, but what about the load it's pulling? Dangling a trailer in mid-air, held up only by the fifth wheel connection, seems like a concern.
However, if done properly, one EM could grab the cab, and another grab the trailer. Assuming each is attached to a different point on the chopper, this would eliminate the need for the absolutely ridiculous anti-swivel lock mechanism. [/sarc]
No, the EM cable would latch onto the trailer part, preferably as close to the center as possible. For a really long truck, like one of those Uhauls with 3 trailers, 2 helicopters may be used to better evenly distribute the weight and prevent it from spinning around in the air.
^Not if the tornado lifts his car over it to the nearest paved road.
Tornados are nature's grapple hooks.
Quote from: kirbykart on January 13, 2023, 08:00:47 AM
Not if the tornado lifts his car over it to the nearest paved road.
I think this is needed.
Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2023, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 13, 2023, 08:00:47 AM
Not if the tornado lifts his car over it to the nearest paved road.
I think this is needed.
We could use tornadoes to lift runaway trucks off of the road and drop them down in Souky on Victoria Island.
Quote from: kirbykart on January 13, 2023, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2023, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 13, 2023, 08:00:47 AM
Not if the tornado lifts his car over it to the nearest paved road.
I think this is needed.
We could use tornadoes to lift runaway trucks off of the road and drop them down in Souky on Victoria Island.
To keep Sault Sainte John Madden company?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2023, 11:29:16 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 13, 2023, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2023, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on January 13, 2023, 08:00:47 AM
Not if the tornado lifts his car over it to the nearest paved road.
I think this is needed.
We could use tornadoes to lift runaway trucks off of the road and drop them down in Souky on Victoria Island.
To keep John Madden company?
Well, it's complicated. John Madden (actually John Madden) lives in Uiwilauegtbiwubf-du-Ha!-Ha!, while Sault Sainte John Madden (Poiponen's crush) lives in Souky. So they would only keep John Madden company, not John Madden.
Tornadoes might actually be the best way to stop runaway trucks. Since tornadoes have been known to lift objects safely and put them down gently, a tornado could lift up a runaway truck before it is too far gone, then set it back down on the road further downhill past the point where the grade is steep enough for runaway trucks to be a concern. This would likely be a better solution than helicopters, because neither human manpower nor fuel would be necessary, as the tornado alone would be sufficient for the task. With what we know about tornadoes and how they pick up objects, a tornado might actually be even more gentle with the truck than a helicopter would, minimizing the risk of damage and injury. How exactly to get these tornadoes where they need to be and when, that task will have to be left to a designated person which will be employed with an annual salary of no less than $1.4 million. I think John Madden would be a good person for the job. Either him, or John Madden.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 13, 2023, 07:39:42 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on January 12, 2023, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 10, 2023, 06:37:25 PM
4. Further helicopter specifications include:
EM cable capable of lifting 100,000 pounds
Triple-Redundant Laser targeting system for aiming the
grappling hooks.
All cables will have anti-swivel lock mechanisms to stop the truck from spinning around in the air as they haul it away, once it's in the desired position.
Helicopter top speed of 100 mph while truck towing, and 300 mph when not towing.
I would like to point out that there appears to have been no consideration given to the trailer behind the truck. Sure, an EM could grab the roof of the cab, but what about the load it's pulling? Dangling a trailer in mid-air, held up only by the fifth wheel connection, seems like a concern.
However, if done properly, one EM could grab the cab, and another grab the trailer. Assuming each is attached to a different point on the chopper, this would eliminate the need for the absolutely ridiculous anti-swivel lock mechanism. [/sarc]
No, the EM cable would latch onto the trailer part, preferably as close to the center as possible. For a really long truck, like one of those Uhauls with 3 trailers, 2 helicopters may be used to better evenly distribute the weight and prevent it from spinning around in the air.
And just something to add. If it ends up that the long trailer section can't be saved because it's too heavy to lift, the helicopter would resort to saving the cab section with the driver. A sniper would be riding along in the chopper and if this situation arises, he would position himself half way out like they do in those military operations, and right as the heli is pacing alongside the truck in the right position, he would attempt to takeout the cables connecting it to the trailer, so that the cab along with the driver could be lifted off the road. And if it's safe for the trailer to crash, the sniper could also take out the tires so it skids off into the mountain side instead of slamming into other cars.
Well MMM, there you go. Instead of investing in a complicated helicopter/grappling hook system, just create a weather generator to spawn a tornado to lift the runaway truck out of danger and land it safely out of harms way. After all, it worked back in 1939 for Dorothy and Toto. (OK, so in their case when landing they killed the local witch who was merely standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Technology advances since then can prevent that from happening again).
I need to pay better attention at the beginning of movies. I didn't realize until now that the tornado in that movie was spawned by a weather generator.
Quote from: kphoger on January 13, 2023, 05:11:57 PM
I need to pay better attention at the beginning of movies. I didn't realize until now that the tornado in that movie was spawned by a weather generator.
It's a read-between the lines kind of thing. It was more apparent in Return to Oz that there was some cutting edge technology being experimented with in rural Kansas.
Quote from: dlsterner on January 13, 2023, 05:04:20 PM
Well MMM, there you go. Instead of investing in a complicated helicopter/grappling hook system, just create a weather generator to spawn a tornado to lift the runaway truck out of danger and land it safely out of harms way. After all, it worked back in 1939 for Dorothy and Toto. (OK, so in their case when landing they killed the local witch who was merely standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Technology advances since then can prevent that from happening again).
Or, the weather generator was programmed to target the Wicked Witch of the East? It's not like the long guns the Munchkins had were doing any good. Might as well try something more extreme to bump off a bad witch. Then again, the tornado could have been dispatched with Sault Sainte John Madden on board instead of Dorthy.
I'm wondering if this helicopter idea could be applied to aircraft in distress as well? A swarm of helicopters safely guiding an out of control plane (which may be easier since it's already in the air). In fact, a swarm a these helicopters should follow every ocean-crossing flight, because however small the risk, I don't want a chance of crash-landing in the freezing cold shark infested saltwater when I can't really swim. If anything goes wrong with the engines for example, enough helicopters may be able to latch onto the plane and hold it in the air, transporting it to safe ground. Speaking of flights, it would probably be a good idea for a coastguard ship to patrol the common routes airlines take over oceans just to ensure that if the .001% chance something does go wrong, passengers wouldn't be stuck floating in a life raft for days. I was focusing all this design effort on trucks, without even realize this could improve aviation safety as well. A yet simpler option instead of combining swarms of helicopters with rescue ships in the water, maybe all international flights should be required to be flown with a secondary, duplicate plane that's empty, with just a pilot, flying next to it, so that in the event of an emergency, passengers and crew could transfer over to the other plane (helicopters could still try to grapple-hook the malfunctioning plane to prevent it from causing damage on the ground from crashing though).
Do you even stop to listen to yourself before posting this crap?
Quote from: GaryV on January 14, 2023, 02:37:32 PM
Do you even stop to listen to yourself before posting this crap?
What "crap"?? If it's potentially easier than the runaway truck plan since all objects involved are already airborne, how does it not improve aviation safety?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmycxBo_CjU
I'm not thinking in movie magic style. Similar to the accordion type walkways that connect the airport gate to the aircraft. One could be designed to connect to another plane that flying next to it at the exact same altitude and speed, so the walkway could connect to the other plane entrance. Think of it this way, each long intercontinental flight would be paralleled by one identical empty plane to the left, and a small swarm of maybe 40-50 helicopters to the right. The cost of this would not increase passenger flight fares, as it would come off the military budget (after all these are military grade helicopters).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 14, 2023, 02:44:33 PMWhat "crap"?? If it's potentially easier than the runaway truck plan since all objects involved are already airborne, how does it not improve aviation safety?
For starters, the helicopters wouldn't be able to keep up. Most helicopters have a forward speed of 160 MPH and 250 MPH is pushing it. A jet airliner at cruising altitude typically moves at about 580 MPH.
In theory, a plane that loses power over the ocean can glide to the surface and float, and seat cushions are also flotation devices. In practice, the sorts of problems that end flights over the ocean tend also to preclude glider landings.
This is quite aside from the fact that any use of grappling hooks with a plane would destroy it, simply because of how the skin and reinforcing structures are constructed.
Quote from: kphoger on October 17, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 14, 2023, 02:44:33 PMWhat "crap"?? If it's potentially easier than the runaway truck plan since all objects involved are already airborne, how does it not improve aviation safety?
For starters, the helicopters wouldn't be able to keep up. Most helicopters have a forward speed of 160 MPH and 250 MPH is pushing it. A jet airliner at cruising altitude typically moves at about 580 MPH.
In theory, a plane that loses power over the ocean can glide to the surface and float, and seat cushions are also flotation devices. In practice, the sorts of problems that end flights over the ocean tend also to preclude glider landings.
This is quite aside from the fact that any use of grappling hooks with a plane would destroy it, simply because of how the skin and reinforcing structures are constructed.
You're right. I didn't think of the speed differential. Helicopters couldn't work at all for those two reasons. I guess the one plane paralleling it would be enough. Could even have 2 empty duplicate planes paralleling, one on each side, but that would be pushing resources too much. Besides, the main cabin entrance is only on the left side anyway.
Maybe swimming lessons would be a better way to take care of the problem, MMM.
I can't believe you live on an island and are allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to swim.
Quote from: kkt on January 14, 2023, 03:47:23 PM
Maybe swimming lessons would be a better way to take care of the problem, MMM.
I can't believe you live on an island and are allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to swim.
You do realize that even without the issues of survival after landing in the ocean thousands of miles from any land, the odds are you would die on impact anyway. Mid-air evacuation into the secondary plane would avoid that to begin with. The helicopters were more for preventing the evacuated plane itself from destroying things on the ground if it crashed, but over open water this is mostly moot. Now I don't usually insert jokes into posts but this proposal does give a whole new meaning to "Parallel Planes" in this universe.
Maybe you could have ten planes and just evacuate from each plane down into the one below it like a ladder.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2023, 05:05:45 PM
Maybe you could have ten planes and just evacuate from each plane down into the one below it like a ladder.
What a plane every 5,000 feet? Mile long ladders LOL, I'm trying to keep these plans as realistic as possible. The airport accordion walkways are enclosed which is necessary at those altitudes not to get sucked out/suffocated.
The Universe according to MMM is using helicopters to solve all problems. :biggrin: :-D
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 14, 2023, 05:17:51 PM
I'm trying to keep these plans as realistic as possible.
You're not succeeding.
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Maybe swimming lessons would be a better way to take care of the problem, MMM.
I can't believe you live on an island and are allowed to graduate high school without knowing how to swim.
You do realize that even without the issues of survival after landing in the ocean thousands of miles from any land, the odds are you would die on impact anyway. Mid-air evacuation into the secondary plane would avoid that to begin with. The helicopters were more for preventing the evacuated plane itself from destroying things on the ground if it crashed, but over open water this is mostly moot. Now I don't usually insert jokes into posts but this proposal does give a whole new meaning to "Parallel Planes" in this universe.
Helicopters have short range. If you're thousands of miles from land, a helicopter isn't going to be much help.
Yeah, but I canceled that part of the plan due to the speed differential alone.
Boats on standby would be the better option, but how do u cover expenses?
Didn't they not have an economy in Star Trek? Simple, just eliminate economics and boat captains will just willy sit on standby.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2023, 10:51:28 PM
Didn't they not have an economy in Star Trek? Simple, just eliminate economics and boat captains will just willy sit on standby.
Hundreds of coast guard ships would be patrolling the most commonly traveled airline routes over the oceans, just at ocean level, just in case a plane has to glide into the water they may end up being closer and could arrive faster. A similar red button would be installed in the cockpit of every 747 that when the pilot presses, instantly alerts all coast guard ships that the plane is in distress and will relay all location and trajectory data so the ship could position itself as close as possible to the likely water-landing site.
MMM is ahead of his time. His rationale might be 2100 era as by then automation will be in control of humanity.
I prefer to think there would be a Butlerian Jihad-like event which overthrows the thinking machines.
Hopefully. As the Muslims seem more convicted in their beliefs about their God than Christians do about theirs. The Christians seem to be moving toward progress and the ones who are against it are called nuts or rogue worshippers. Or better yet many believers worship, believe strongly what they hear at service, but once they leave Sunday worship fail to put into action what they believed earlier inside the closed doors, and therefore go along with it and believe deeply that they're not part of the change when they do go along with progress.
I think you missed the pop culture reference I was going for? I feel like I'm the only one who read the Dune novels and saw the movies sometimes.
All of these technological suggestions use contemporary technology, not very futuristic.
Contemporary technology that doesn't actually work the way you think it does, maybe.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 16, 2023, 02:53:54 PM
All of these technological suggestions use contemporary technology, not very futuristic.
The Final Fantasy IV-style helicopter with grappling hook that can pick up a car (or hovercraft) at high speeds isn't really contemporary technology.
Quote from: SectorZ on January 16, 2023, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 16, 2023, 02:53:54 PM
All of these technological suggestions use contemporary technology, not very futuristic.
The Final Fantasy IV-style helicopter with grappling hook that can pick up a car (or hovercraft) at high speeds isn't really contemporary technology.
The airship had to be stopped to pick up the hovercraft. The trouble with the world of Final Fantasy IV was that the Lunarians were messing with the progress of humanity behind the scenes. The Lunarians introduced several technologies to the humans such as the airships and Serpent Road.
You mean Final Fantasy IV isn't a documentary? I'm shocked!
I mean, it has had so many remakes and the questionable "After Years" that it has a pretty trackable plot line. Doesn't hurt that I've had the original game since 1991 and played it dozens of times. I'm surprised MMM hasn't tried to grab an entire set of light and dark crystals to power up the Giant of Babil. The Giant of Babil would pluck those runaway trucks off I-70 no problem.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2023, 10:00:59 PM
I mean, it has had so many remakes and the questionable "After Years" that it has a pretty trackable plot line. Doesn't hurt that I've had the original game since 1991 and played it dozens of times. I'm surprised MMM hasn't tried to grab an entire set of light and dark crystals to power up the Giant of Babil. The Giant of Babil would pluck those runaway trucks off I-70 no problem.
Oh and those helicopters would patrol the Pennsylvania Turnpike for trucks as well. Since you are almost as likely to crash in a truck on that road as through the Rockies. Oh and the western stretch of that road has an I-70 designation, what a surprise. That entire interstate should just be renamed "runaway road".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 16, 2023, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2023, 10:00:59 PM
I mean, it has had so many remakes and the questionable "After Years" that it has a pretty trackable plot line. Doesn't hurt that I've had the original game since 1991 and played it dozens of times. I'm surprised MMM hasn't tried to grab an entire set of light and dark crystals to power up the Giant of Babil. The Giant of Babil would pluck those runaway trucks off I-70 no problem.
Oh and those helicopters would patrol the Pennsylvania Turnpike for trucks as well. Since you are almost as likely to crash in a truck on that road as through the Rockies. Oh and the western stretch of that road has an I-70 designation, what a surprise. That entire interstate should just be renamed "runaway road".
Hey now, we are trying to have a conversation about future tech in SNES RPGs. Unless you are going to work the Lunar Whale into this helicopter plan somehow I suggest you refrain from trying to chime in.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 02:23:42 PM
Not saying it's an intentional scam, but the fact that they think a difference in the billionth or trillions of a second difference in clock measurements are the result of some magical time stretching/squeezing just from moving, and not just a margin of error with the clocks is hard to believe. If they really wanted to test this, send a probe at extremely high speed toward the sun and have it orbit the sun for a few years very close to it, this way the gravity increase, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission could maybe push the dilation effect into actually visible amounts, like several seconds..etc, but there is no way to know whether millionths, billionths, let alone trillionths of a second are from a relativistic effect or simply clocks not being absolutely perfect. Even if atomic clocks are supposedly based on atom vibrations...etc, the electrical systems that display how much time passed aren't going to be that accurate. The engineering isn't at the atomic level, so they end up being just regular clocks. There is also no physical explanation of why this would be, even if mathematically it is possible. Mathematical physics also say a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, but that doesn't mean it is, or there is any reason to believe this is so. Same thing with time squeezing.
As a physicist who actually knows how this stuff works, this thread is fucking hilarious.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
Are you kidding? Stop this thread being created and missing everything it's brought?
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Anyway, age aside, could you explain why, physically, time must slow down from the point of view of someone traveling at high speed?
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 17, 2023, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 03, 2023, 02:23:42 PM
Not saying it's an intentional scam, but the fact that they think a difference in the billionth or trillions of a second difference in clock measurements are the result of some magical time stretching/squeezing just from moving, and not just a margin of error with the clocks is hard to believe. If they really wanted to test this, send a probe at extremely high speed toward the sun and have it orbit the sun for a few years very close to it, this way the gravity increase, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission could maybe push the dilation effect into actually visible amounts, like several seconds..etc, but there is no way to know whether millionths, billionths, let alone trillionths of a second are from a relativistic effect or simply clocks not being absolutely perfect. Even if atomic clocks are supposedly based on atom vibrations...etc, the electrical systems that display how much time passed aren't going to be that accurate. The engineering isn't at the atomic level, so they end up being just regular clocks. There is also no physical explanation of why this would be, even if mathematically it is possible. Mathematical physics also say a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, but that doesn't mean it is, or there is any reason to believe this is so. Same thing with time squeezing.
As a physicist who actually knows how this stuff works, this thread is fucking hilarious.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.
Are you kidding? Stop this thread being created and missing everything it’s brought?
You’re talking to a man who don’t work. Don’t believe in relationships. Heck he don’t vote in elections.
This is not off for the MO of someone in The Twilight Zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Sometimes people don't put their actual date of birth in their profile. Strange, I know.
Tomorrow marks the 14th anniversary of the day
algorerhythms created his account.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 02:38:04 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Sometimes people don't put their actual date of birth in their profile. Strange, I know.
Tomorrow marks the 14th anniversary of the day algorerhythms created his account.
In that case, I'm turning double digits later this year.
Reddit has a term for account anniversaries: Cakeday. (Reddit never asks you for your age upon signing up.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Time travel is a hell of a drug.
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Anyway, age aside, could you explain why, physically, time must slow down from the point of view of someone traveling at high speed?
Sorry, I may have been born yesterday, but I don't work for free. You want a tutor, you gotta pay for it, and my job pays pretty well.
Quote from: 1 on January 18, 2023, 09:11:50 AM
Reddit has a term for account anniversaries: Cakeday. (Reddit never asks you for your age upon signing up.)
That's correct.
Given we're a road forum, we should say it was the day your account was commissioned, like a highway route. After all, our forum ranks are types of roads, right?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 02:38:04 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Sometimes people don't put their actual date of birth in their profile. Strange, I know.
Tomorrow marks the 14th anniversary of the day algorerhythms created his account.
NE 2 is one that hasn't and won't. Plus he isn't the only one to lie about his age here as I'm sure plenty of users don't want to reveal their age.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 18, 2023, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 02:38:04 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Sometimes people don't put their actual date of birth in their profile. Strange, I know.
Tomorrow marks the 14th anniversary of the day algorerhythms created his account.
NE 2 is one that hasn't and won't. Plus he isn't the only one to lie about his age here as I'm sure plenty of users don't want to reveal their age.
I can understand that. I put my real age because I think it adds context to my posts. Like my general lack of experience in life. Or how my old posts were rubbish.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 02:38:04 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Sometimes people don't put their actual date of birth in their profile. Strange, I know.
Tomorrow marks the 14th anniversary of the day algorerhythms created his account.
NE 2 is one that hasn't and won't. Plus he isn't the only one to lie about his age here as I'm sure plenty of users don't want to reveal their age.
I can understand that. I put my real age because I think it adds context to my posts. Like my general lack of experience in life. Or how my old posts were rubbish.
I'm actually 40. I guess that I'm not super concerned with identifying who I am, even if it is indirectly.
To me I just don't enable it. I'm 57, soon to be 58, and don't care but at the same time why do I need to disclose this info in my profile.
I find it useful. If they're under 20 or so, it explains why they act like a kid if they do (not everyone under 20 does), and for those under 16, that they don't drive. For older members, it's useful to know how far back they remember past events such as the beginning of NMSL, etc.
It definitely shouldn't be required, though, because if someone wants privacy, they should be able to have it.
The problem is when you get past thirty, you remember things over five years ago as yesterday, but to someone in their twenties an event even four years ago is ancient history. So when you recall things here as an older user it can be criticized as being not relevant to a younger user.
I've ran into that plenty of times. Then again I can recall some practices that NJ used that a younger user on here would dispute as those practices were long gone before the youth was even of age. You would have to be born before 1985 to remember green left arrows for one way streets at traffic lights to denote NO RIGHT TURNS in urban areas. Now the green left arrow means permissive or protected lefts only as NJ cities had to abandoned that concept for obvious reasons.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Time travel is a hell of a drug.
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Anyway, age aside, could you explain why, physically, time must slow down from the point of view of someone traveling at high speed?
Sorry, I may have been born yesterday, but I don't work for free. You want a tutor, you gotta pay for it, and my job pays pretty well.
I doubt you even can, if the entire book "fabric of the cosmos" can't, which was written by a physics PHD, I don't think any physics tutor can. That's shows it's a scam. While Spacetime may be one entity, that doesn't mean every single thing that happens in one has to effect the other. Its like saying color always affects mass or shape always effects magnetic properties, or Lightwave always affect sound waves. Even though an object may have all of these properties simultaneously, that doesn't automatically mean a change in one will affect the other. Same with time. Moving through space should have no effect on how something as universal as time actually passes for you. Time flows at 1 second per second and that's it. Actually it doesn't flow at any "rate". It just is, that's our measuring system. And likewise, just because the math says a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, does not mean all matter in the universe is electrons zizagging back and forth and in time! It's just a theory, nothing more. Time dilation is also just a theory, just even less of one because it has no physical explanation.
Birth date is used by a lot of institutions as one way of confirming identity, so I don't go putting my real birth date in places that don't really need it.
As someone who is being subjected to driving New Jersey's roads every day this week, I can confirm that under no circumstances should New Jersey be allowed to design roads.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 03:25:13 PM
As someone who is being subjected to driving New Jersey's roads every day this week, I can confirm that under no circumstances should New Jersey be allowed to design roads.
That I agree with, other than the Turnpike and themajor interstates, that state has the worst quality roads, and signage in the country. I never thought I would actually get lost, with GPS, right across the river in Newark/Secaucus. They can't even design a basic interchange between a highest and a surface street.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 17, 2023, 10:35:04 PM
You're a 7 year old physicist?
Time travel is a hell of a drug.
Quote
Anyway, age aside, could you explain why, physically, time must slow down from the point of view of someone traveling at high speed?
Sorry, I may have been born yesterday, but I don't work for free. You want a tutor, you gotta pay for it, and my job pays pretty well.
I doubt you even can, if the entire book "fabric of the cosmos" can't, which was written by a physics PHD, I don't think any physics tutor can. That's shows it's a scam. While Spacetime may be one entity, that doesn't mean every single thing that happens in one has to effect the other. Its like saying color always affects mass or shape always effects magnetic properties, or Lightwave always affect sound waves. Even though an object may have all of these properties simultaneously, that doesn't automatically mean a change in one will affect the other. Same with time. Moving through space should have no effect on how something as universal as time actually passes for you. Time flows at 1 second per second and that's it. Actually it doesn't flow at any "rate". It just is, that's our measuring system. And likewise, just because the math says a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, does not mean all matter in the universe is electrons zizagging back and forth and in time! It's just a theory, nothing more. Time dilation is also just a theory, just even less of one because it has no physical explanation.
Given how much of a hole you're starting in, it'd probably take him 40 billable hours just to teach you the vocabulary you'd need to know to understand how it works. And another 40 to get you to stop derailing his train of thought with random interjections that have nothing to do with anything.
What was his train of thought? That one post? And what is the title of this thread again? And my entire post was an analogy, how is that derailing anything?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 05:18:48 PM
What was his train of thought? That one post? And what is the title of this thread again? And my entire post was an analogy, how is that derailing anything?
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Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 05:18:48 PM
What was his train of thought? That one post? And what is the title of this thread again? And my entire post was an analogy, how is that derailing anything?
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Then I maintain my position, it's a triple scam.
1. No physical units of time exist less than microseconds
2. No man made machine can measure below a millisecond.
3. Time dilation does not happen.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
1. No physical units of time exist less than microseconds
How long does it take light to travel one mile?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
1. No physical units of time exist less than microseconds
How long does it take light to travel one mile?
Longer than you think, but I'll let MMM answer fully.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
1. No physical units of time exist less than microseconds
How long does it take light to travel one mile?
Few people know the conspiracy behind a foot standard. It was deliberately made 1% too long by Andrew Johnson administration in 1866. A foot was actually envisioned to be exactly equal to 1 light nanosecond.
1 mi * 5280 ft mi-1 * 12 in ft-1 * 2.54 cm in-1 * 0.01 m cm-1 / 3.00*108 m s-1 = ohn0t00muchm4th = 0.
QED.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
1. No physical units of time exist less than microseconds
How long does it take light to travel one mile?
According to light's perspective, 0 time, that's what so stupid about it. According to their theories, the lights path through the universe contracts to 0 so it doesn't take any time to Traverse it. So that means light is much less of a multimillionmiler than I am since it never goes anywhere in 0 time. It's pure comedy. But even if time was normal, that's still only one one hundred and 86 thousanth of a second, not a million of a second!
The only legitimate system of units is God's own system: atomic units. The speed of light is 137.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 07:58:56 PM
The only legitimate system of units is God's own system: atomic units. The speed of light is 137.
I always thought c=1 though...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
1. No physical units of time exist less than microseconds
How long does it take light to travel one mile?
According to light's perspective, 0 time, that's what so stupid about it. According to their theories, the lights path through the universe contracts to 0 so it doesn't take any time to Traverse it. So that means light is much less of a multimillionmiler than I am since it never goes anywhere in 0 time. It's pure comedy. But even if time was normal, that's still only one one hundred and 86 thousanth of a second, not a million of a second!
Light doesn't have a perspective, though.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 08:13:51 PM
it never goes anywhere in 0 time.
Read carefully what MMM just did here.
[fake purple text] Don't explode the universe or you'll be banned. [/fake purple text]
Quote from: 1 on January 18, 2023, 08:16:13 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 08:13:51 PM
it never goes anywhere in 0 time.
Read carefully what MMM just did here.
Commandeer my brain, apparently. ;)
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
Here's a clear and concise explanations of why it is BS. Some of the points are exactly what I said as well.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 08:17:44 PM
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
Here's a clear and concise explanations of why it is BS. Some of the points are exactly what I said as well.
Elsewhere on that site he whines about how a physics forum dismissed his site as being run by a crackpot.
I'm going to do the same thing. That guy's a crackpot.
Now he's been dismissed by a road forum, too!
I'd rather read a site run by a crockpot.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 08:43:42 PM
I'd rather read a site run by a crockpot.
Beware of what you want, you may get it!
https://hackaday.com/2017/04/22/the-internet-of-rice-cookers/
And I certainly have a web site ran by a smart outlet right here on my desk.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 08:43:42 PM
I'd rather read a site run by a crockpot.
Careful, those have been known to kill the patriarchs of TV families.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 08:17:44 PM
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
Here's a clear and concise explanations of why it is BS. Some of the points are exactly what I said as well.
Elsewhere on that site he whines about how a physics forum dismissed his site as being run by a crackpot.
I'm going to do the same thing. That guy's a crackpot.
Now he's been dismissed by a road forum, too!
But can you refute his reasoning. Either its constant velocity that causes time dilation or acceleration, you can't have it both ways or ignore the mathematical contradictions. You have to admit, the only reason it's called "special relativity" is because whoever came up with it must have thought they were really special.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 08:17:44 PM
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
Here's a clear and concise explanations of why it is BS. Some of the points are exactly what I said as well.
Elsewhere on that site he whines about how a physics forum dismissed his site as being run by a crackpot.
I'm going to do the same thing. That guy's a crackpot.
Now he's been dismissed by a road forum, too!
But can you refute his reasoning.
Yeah, I already recommended a book to you. I can't make you read it, apparently.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
You have to admit
I don't have to do shit
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
the only reason it's called "special relativity" is because whoever came up with it must have thought they were really special.
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LOL he even looks like a conman!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 08:17:44 PM
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
Here's a clear and concise explanations of why it is BS. Some of the points are exactly what I said as well.
Elsewhere on that site he whines about how a physics forum dismissed his site as being run by a crackpot.
I'm going to do the same thing. That guy's a crackpot.
Now he's been dismissed by a road forum, too!
But can you refute his reasoning. Either its constant velocity that causes time dilation or acceleration, you can't have it both ways or ignore the mathematical contradictions. You have to admit, the only reason it's called "special relativity" is because whoever came up with it must have thought they were really special.
Wow, you are probably only 10 000 000 000th person to come up with those questions in past 100 years! Must feel really special....
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2023, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 08:17:44 PM
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
Here's a clear and concise explanations of why it is BS. Some of the points are exactly what I said as well.
Elsewhere on that site he whines about how a physics forum dismissed his site as being run by a crackpot.
I'm going to do the same thing. That guy's a crackpot.
Now he's been dismissed by a road forum, too!
But can you refute his reasoning. Either its constant velocity that causes time dilation or acceleration, you can't have it both ways or ignore the mathematical contradictions. You have to admit, the only reason it's called "special relativity" is because whoever came up with it must have thought they were really special.
You're just sad your ideas haven't been recognized as "theories of extraordinary beauty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity#cite_note-:0-3)", unlike Einstein's theory of general relativity. Of which "special relativity" is a special case where you can simplify some of the math. I'm not going to pretend I understand relativity, nor do I really need to (I only ever deal with large-scale motions for which classical mechanics works just fine) but I'll trust the word of actual experts in the field over the word of some guy on the internet.
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene.
I'm still not an array.
And for the record, I do understand some of the math in physics that isn't a scam. For example, the reason that the force of gravity recedes as a square function of distance is because in a 3 dimensional universe, the space that the gravitational field lines have to spread out is a function of the surface area of the object, which is a square function. In a 2d universe, the circumference ratio of the perimeter of an object, gravity would recede as a function of distance and not the square of the distance, since there is no square in calculating the circumference of a circle. In a 1d universe, there is no room for field lines to spread out, so gravity force would not diminish with distance. Likewise in a 4d universe, gravity would diminish as a function of the cube of the distance, always one dimension less than the universe itself. This math makes sense, and would explain physically why each effect would happen. Time dilation equation does nothing of the sort. It uses an erroneous assumption that all motion through space and time must sum to the speed of light (whatever that means, as if motion through time could be measured in the same way motion through space could) and then bases an equation on that with no physical explanation of why that must be the case.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
Do you know what irony is? You, the helicopter grapple hook guy really isn't in a strong position to define pseudo-anything.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
Do you know what irony is? You, the helicopter grapple hook guy really isn't in a strong position to define pseudo-anything.
Using grappling hook/EM cables on helicopters to rescue trucks, is nowhere near the same as saying time passes differently for the truck and the helicopter. That's way more far out in my opinion.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:59:08 PM
And for the record, I do understand some of the math in physics that isn't a scam. For example, the reason that the force of gravity recedes as a square function of distance is because in a 3 dimensional universe, the space that the gravitational field lines have to spread out is a function of the surface area of the object, which is a square function. In a 2d universe, the circumference ratio of the perimeter of an object, gravity would recede as a function of distance and not the square of the distance, since there is no square in calculating the circumference of a circle. In a 1d universe, there is no room for field lines to spread out, so gravity force would not diminish with distance. Likewise in a 4d universe, gravity would diminish as a function of the cube of the distance, always one dimension less than the universe itself. This math makes sense, and would explain physically why each effect would happen. Time dilation equation does nothing of the sort. It uses an erroneous assumption that all motion through space and time must sum to the speed of light (whatever that means, as if motion through time could be measured in the same way motion through space could) and then bases an equation on that with no physical explanation of why that must be the case.
Do you understand math behind Maxwell equations?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
Do you know what irony is? You, the helicopter grapple hook guy really isn't in a strong position to define pseudo-anything.
Using grappling hook/EM cables on helicopters to rescue trucks, is nowhere near the same as saying time passes differently for the truck and the helicopter. That's way more far out in my opinion.
And yet the physics people have proof theirs works, and you don't.
You know, the established physicists of the early 20th century just hated their elegant, intuitive Newtonian model being replaced. And they hated even more that this patent clerk's model was knocking down a bunch of unexplained observations for which they had no answers.
And yet, because they were scientists and not cranks on a bulletin board, they accepted it.
Quote from: kkt on January 19, 2023, 12:50:18 AM
You know, the established physicists of the early 20th century just hated their elegant, intuitive Newtonian model being replaced. And they hated even more that this patent clerk's model was knocking down a bunch of unexplained observations for which they had no answers.
And yet, because they were scientists and not cranks on a bulletin board, they accepted it.
Some didn't. "God doesn't play dice" as one looser did say back then being in denial of quantum mechanics.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 18, 2023, 08:43:42 PM
I'd rather read a site run by a crockpot.
That's so old school. InstaPot is the way to go.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
Do you know what irony is? You, the helicopter grapple hook guy really isn't in a strong position to define pseudo-anything.
Using grappling hook/EM cables on helicopters to rescue trucks, is nowhere near the same as saying time passes differently for the truck and the helicopter. That's way more far out in my opinion.
And yet the physics people have proof theirs works, and you don't.
What proof? I've already established that atomic clocks aren't actually accurate to the degree needed to prove it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 11:45:12 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
Do you know what irony is? You, the helicopter grapple hook guy really isn't in a strong position to define pseudo-anything.
Using grappling hook/EM cables on helicopters to rescue trucks, is nowhere near the same as saying time passes differently for the truck and the helicopter. That's way more far out in my opinion.
And yet the physics people have proof theirs works, and you don't.
What proof? I've already established that atomic clocks aren't actually accurate to the degree needed to prove it.
No you haven't.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 11:45:12 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 12:30:31 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 18, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
Sorry, it's just hard to take seriously people who claim that photons experience the entire history of the universe in an instant and space contracts to 0 distance for them only, and that light waves will always be perceived as traveling 670 Million Mph no matter how fast you are going, simply because they are moving at the speed of light. PseudoPhysics at its finest.
@Scott which book, I went back a page and didn't see any. Which post? I am interested.
Do you know what irony is? You, the helicopter grapple hook guy really isn't in a strong position to define pseudo-anything.
Using grappling hook/EM cables on helicopters to rescue trucks, is nowhere near the same as saying time passes differently for the truck and the helicopter. That's way more far out in my opinion.
And yet the physics people have proof theirs works, and you don't.
What proof? I've already established that atomic clocks aren't actually accurate to the degree needed to prove it.
Do you use GPS? Do you believe GPS actually exist?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS
is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
And using relativity to justify needing atomic clocks, while saying atomic clocks prove special relativity is a bit circular reasoning don't you think?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
And should be really believe MMM graduated from the college after all this? He (she?) acts more like a teen to me...
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
And should be really believe MMM graduated from the college after all this? He (she?) acts more like a teen to me...
If he did, he should see if they have a refund policy, because he clearly didn't learn anything from it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
And should be really believe MMM graduated from the college after all this? He (she?) acts more like a teen to me...
If he did, he should see if they have a refund policy, because he clearly didn't learn anything from it.
I thought free tuition was mentioned at some point... You get what you pay for?
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
He (she?)
Definitely a he. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2805503#msg2805503)
(changed link to different post about 1 1/2 minutes after initially posting something here)
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
And should be really believe MMM graduated from the college after all this? He (she?) acts more like a teen to me...
If he did, he should see if they have a refund policy, because he clearly didn't learn anything from it.
I thought free tuition was mentioned at some point... You get what you pay for?
Yes, he did receive free tuition. This entire thread is a case study for how a college degree doesn't necessarily impart actual wisdom.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 19, 2023, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
And should be really believe MMM graduated from the college after all this? He (she?) acts more like a teen to me...
If he did, he should see if they have a refund policy, because he clearly didn't learn anything from it.
I thought free tuition was mentioned at some point... You get what you pay for?
Yes, he did receive free tuition. This entire thread is a case study for how a college degree doesn't necessarily impart actual wisdom.
As George Washington mentioned a few times, people are never writing anything but truth on internet forums...
Quote from: 1 on January 19, 2023, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
He (she?)
Definitely a he. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2805503#msg2805503)
(changed link to different post about 1 1/2 minutes after initially posting something here)
original link was more hilarious, though
Why is MMM so surprising to us?
He isn't the first one to demonstrate odd behavior on here.
True he is the first of his kind. But not unique though.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Why is MMM so surprising to us?
He isn't the first one to demonstrate odd behavior on here.
True he is the first of his kind. But not unique though.
Let him who is without sin of odd behavior cast the first stone!
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
GPS has nothing to do with atomic clocks LMAO
GPS is actually an atomic clock, some interesting math, and little else. Satellites transmit synchronized atomic clock timing signal and receiver measures propagation delays in them.
https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/
QuoteEach GPS satellite contains multiple atomic clocks that contribute very precise time data to the GPS signals.
PS - and those orbital clocks are adjusted to.... drums, please!.... time dilation, both fro special relativity and general relativity effects for satellites up there.
Why would you need atomic clocks for that? I don't need to know that I will arrive at my destination in 2 hours 17 minutes and 3.8159193527 seconds..
A little more knowing what you're talking about before spouting an opinion about it is definitely recommended!
This is like saying "I don't know why my computer would need to store data in binary, I can't understand it" or "I don't know why my car would need a tank full of gas, I can't drink it".
I will put this simply. There is 0 evidence that time dilation exists, nor is there any physical explanation of why that might be or should be hypothetically true.
My major was Psychology, not Physics. But even the average person knows that anything involving time travel or time "stretching and squeezing" is a scam.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Why is MMM so surprising to us?
He isn't the first one to demonstrate odd behavior on here.
True he is the first of his kind. But not unique though.
No offense, but this is coming from the guy who wanted to make the LIE in Queens Interstate 180 :-D :-D :-D
Well MMM is not the first one on here to be in college to only go to living at home.
I'm sure even off this forum you get college grads sitting at home and not working.
Yes his ideas are in Rod Serlings Twilight Zone ( just like the algorithm that tried to misspell Serling's name) and is become twice as annoying as that Diesel Mechanic from 2020, but to be in the school to couch is more common than you think.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
I will put this simply. There is 0 evidence that time dilation exists, nor is there any physical explanation of why that might be or should be hypothetically true.
I will put this simply. There is plenty of evidence that it exists. You are not smart enough to understand it, and not smart enough to understand why you don't understand it.
This thread has become so full of nonsense, there's only one way to handle it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
I will put this simply. There is 0 evidence that time dilation exists, nor is there any physical explanation of why that might be or should be hypothetically true.
I will put this simply. There is plenty of evidence that it exists. You are not smart enough to understand it, and not smart enough to understand why you don't understand it.
Frankly speaking, not much in our normal lives to require v
2/c
2 corrections. Energy, of course, is - but that is part of classic mechanics. Delayed EM potentials require pretty of math and again described classically.
Something like muon decay is a great experiment - but did you ever worked with muons? I didn't; and I saw a lot of uncommon stuff in my life.
Same as someone who never leaves their hometown - not more than 10-20 miles - may assume that Earth is flat and that wouldn't really impact anything they do
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
Well MMM is not the first one on here to be in college to only go to living at home.
I'm sure even off this forum you get college grads sitting at home and not working.
Yes his ideas are in Rod Serlings Twilight Zone ( just like the algorithm that tried to misspell Serling's name) and is become twice as annoying as that Diesel Mechanic from 2020, but to be in the school to couch is more common than you think.
But maybe having around $45,000 in savings with $70-$75 monthly interest isn't as common in most people of that calibr. ;-)
I feel your for your poverty, believe me.. That's not even a downpayment for the house!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/John_Isaac_Moore.jpg)
The tenth Grand Alan was Alan Register (J-FX). Register inherited an office in disarray from his scandal-ridden predecessor, Alan Bannister. Bannister had become morose at the failure of his much-vaunted ALANCAN system, and as a result allowed the powers and duties and houseplants of the office to atrophy over the waning years of his term. The election of Register was seen as an all-but-inevitable necessity to bring new life and vitality to the office.
Register is actually quite unusual amongst the Grand Alans, as he is the only one to have served in the Dominant Parliament before taking office as Grand Alan. Most young men bestowed the name of Alan do not participate in the 3.14 Houses of Parliament at all, given that they can simply be elected as Grand Alan more or less whenever. Register, however, served capably and competently as Dominator for a good number of years before seeking the Alancy. Register made the case for his candidacy in that after the divisive Bannister administration, none could truly embody the unity of the 3.14 parliaments without having served as a member of one. He was elected in a landslide under his banner of "He Knows Where The Light Switches Are", which was seen as a much stronger slogan than Bannister's "You Can't Make Me Get Out Of Bed".
Register's first act upon taking office was to order the inside and outside of all federal buildings, bridges, and national parks painted a shade known as "Tasteful Beige". In order to avoid the "pitiful display" of another effortless campaign like Bannister's, the crime of political woosterism was codified, and an amendment to the Alanland Constitution requiring the purchase and wearing of a fish hat while campaigning for public office was enacted. (Initially, the fish hats were required to be Tasteful Beige as well, but this was quickly dropped by act of the Introspective Parliament after nine days, mostly because the Introspective Warbler at the time said beige made his hair look too provocative.)
Register was adamant that he would have the most uneventful administration of any Grand Alan. This extended to the point that he made the rounds in Quindaro Hall, terminating any federal employee that looked like they might be doing something interesting. Nevertheless, some incremental reforms did take place during Register's term of office, like standardizing the ratio of croutons to salad, regulations on fast-drying paint, establishing procedures for the sorting and storage of socks, and establishing the standard six minute, thirty-three second minimum hold time before one is allowed to speak to a customer service representative.
Despite Register's best efforts, and his skill as a negotiator in the Dominant Parliament, one intractable foreign policy issue did rise to the fore during his term. A group of federal fence painters in Porshaped Oblast were alleged by the Nimbyan Government to have carelessly applied some amount of Tasteful Beige paint to a structure on the Nimbyan side of the border. The Nimbyans allege that it was "way the hell too much" paint, while the Alanlanders contend it was only a few drips. The Proctor of Nimbya's stern directive to Quindaro to "Keep that ugly beige shit out of our Nimbya" rankled more than a few feathers among top administration staff. This touched off a protracted period of tensions with the neighboring country. The Register administration was happy to field questions regarding the possibility of military intervention, responding to them with forceful rhetoric like "You asked about that yesterday." This culminated in a speech given by Alan Register himself, best known for the quote, "What makes you think we're at war with Nimbya? That wouldn't be very interesting."
Alan Register was many things, but his story has been mostly forgotten by the populace. It is shame that all but the most weighty tomes of Alanland history gloss over his term of office–it's crucial to the understanding of the modern day situation.
^^^
I've been hankering for a trip Eureka. I just don't know if the international border on I-60 is open to peasants like me.
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
Well MMM is not the first one on here to be in college to only go to living at home.
I'm sure even off this forum you get college grads sitting at home and not working.
Yes his ideas are in Rod Serlings Twilight Zone ( just like the algorithm that tried to misspell Serling's name) and is become twice as annoying as that Diesel Mechanic from 2020, but to be in the school to couch is more common than you think.
But maybe having around $45,000 in savings with $70-$75 monthly interest isn't as common in most people of that calibr. ;-)
I feel your for your poverty, believe me.. That's not even a downpayment for the house!
Not on Long Island. I know lots of places around me where that will get you pretty far into a mortgage. Brand name cities and urban areas come with brand name housing prices.
Quote from: 1 on January 19, 2023, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
He (she?)
Definitely a he. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2805503#msg2805503)
(changed link to different post about 1 1/2 minutes after initially posting something here)
Well, he does admit to wanking to Star Trek ...
Quote from: dlsterner on January 19, 2023, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 19, 2023, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
He (she?)
Definitely a he. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2805503#msg2805503)
(changed link to different post about 1 1/2 minutes after initially posting something here)
Well, he does admit to wanking to Star Trek ...
TNG no less.
Quote from: kalvado on January 19, 2023, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: kkt on January 19, 2023, 12:50:18 AM
You know, the established physicists of the early 20th century just hated their elegant, intuitive Newtonian model being replaced. And they hated even more that this patent clerk's model was knocking down a bunch of unexplained observations for which they had no answers.
And yet, because they were scientists and not cranks on a bulletin board, they accepted it.
Some didn't. "God doesn't play dice" as one looser did say back then being in denial of quantum mechanics.
That "looser" knew more about physics than you ever will.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 11:45:12 AM
What proof? I've already established that atomic clocks aren't actually accurate to the degree needed to prove it.
You've established that you don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
Well MMM is not the first one on here to be in college to only go to living at home.
I'm sure even off this forum you get college grads sitting at home and not working.
Yes his ideas are in Rod Serlings Twilight Zone ( just like the algorithm that tried to misspell Serling's name) and is become twice as annoying as that Diesel Mechanic from 2020, but to be in the school to couch is more common than you think.
But maybe having around $45,000 in savings with $70-$75 monthly interest isn't as common in most people of that calibr. ;-)
Too bad you didn't spend it on some more rigorous courses, where proof (and a passing grade) depended on one or more verifiable premise and reasoning from it, instead of on vigorous assertion and handwaving.
One has to wonder what Einstein would make of someone who publicly admits wanking it to TNG critiquing general relativity?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
I will put this simply. There is 0 evidence that time dilation exists, nor is there any physical explanation of why that might be or should be hypothetically true.
My major was Psychology, not Physics. But even the average person knows that anything involving time travel or time "stretching and squeezing" is a scam.
Ah, that explains it. You're a major psycho.
I don't understand most of MMM's opinions. Therefore, they are scams.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 20, 2023, 12:57:52 AM
One has to wonder what Einstein would make of someone who publicly admits wanking it to TNG critiquing general relativity?
Shrug his shoulders and ask what TNG is.
And MMM talks about special relativity. Discussion about Lambda, if it should be there at all, requires much more background.
Special relativity is in the uncanny valley of physics, I would say.
It considers things which seem intuitive, but arrives at conclusions which can be somewhat understood by an average person, but are totally counterintuitive after all.
Quantum mechanics, for example , is further away from everyday stuff, and hence not that irritating until you are deep in the textbook.
The only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding i can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe 8t works.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 20, 2023, 01:16:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 19, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
I will put this simply. There is 0 evidence that time dilation exists, nor is there any physical explanation of why that might be or should be hypothetically true.
My major was Psychology, not Physics. But even the average person knows that anything involving time travel or time "stretching and squeezing" is a scam.
Ah, that explains it. You're a major psycho.
Or maybe we are a test subject group for his thesis.... Good thing it is not Stanford experiment, as it seems
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 07:34:36 AMThe only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding I can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe it works.
I can think of one other thing: the justification for tacking 45° into the wind when sailing is not easy to understand.
Absolutely nothing about sailing makes sense to me.
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 20, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 07:34:36 AMThe only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding I can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe it works.
I can think of one other thing: the justification for tacking 45° into the wind when sailing is not easy to understand.
That's pretty much same thing as lift. A sail is an airfoil generating lift, and everything follows from that consideration.
Actually the best (IMHO) casual-read text on aerodynamics is the one written about sails by a Boeing \ MDD aerodynamics engineer.... Nice mix of interests!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 21, 2023, 10:18:44 PMI wonder if Car-skiing will ever become a thing? Such as installing some sort of buoyant flat apparatus under your car to help it skip off the water, have it attached to a hyperfast car-towing speed boat and you could surf the waves just like a water skier in your own car! The only issue is protecting the inside of the car from water damage, and how the car would ultimately get back on land with the boat still in the water? Maybe this should go in the random thought thread?
This is one for
Popular Mechanics.
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 22, 2023, 01:40:06 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 21, 2023, 10:18:44 PMI wonder if Car-skiing will ever become a thing? Such as installing some sort of buoyant flat apparatus under your car to help it skip off the water, have it attached to a hyperfast car-towing speed boat and you could surf the waves just like a water skier in your own car! The only issue is protecting the inside of the car from water damage, and how the car would ultimately get back on land with the boat still in the water? Maybe this should go in the random thought thread?
This is one for Popular Mechanics.
For Darwin award, I would say.
Quote from: kalvado on January 22, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 22, 2023, 01:40:06 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 21, 2023, 10:18:44 PMI wonder if Car-skiing will ever become a thing? Such as installing some sort of buoyant flat apparatus under your car to help it skip off the water, have it attached to a hyperfast car-towing speed boat and you could surf the waves just like a water skier in your own car! The only issue is protecting the inside of the car from water damage, and how the car would ultimately get back on land with the boat still in the water? Maybe this should go in the random thought thread?
This is one for Popular Mechanics.
For Darwin award, I would say.
Sounds like an idea for classic Top Gear.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 22, 2023, 08:48:54 AM
Quote from: kalvado on January 22, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 22, 2023, 01:40:06 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 21, 2023, 10:18:44 PMI wonder if Car-skiing will ever become a thing? Such as installing some sort of buoyant flat apparatus under your car to help it skip off the water, have it attached to a hyperfast car-towing speed boat and you could surf the waves just like a water skier in your own car! The only issue is protecting the inside of the car from water damage, and how the car would ultimately get back on land with the boat still in the water? Maybe this should go in the random thought thread?
This is one for Popular Mechanics.
For Darwin award, I would say.
Sounds like an idea for classic Top Gear.
Guys, we already have a solution here. Just attach one of those helicopter grapple hook to a boat and the car. I'm sure with all the future tech on display in this thread that we can certainly muster a boat towing a car reaching speeds of at least 200 knots? No need for flotation devices when you can skip the car at high speeds on the surface of the water.
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 20, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 07:34:36 AMThe only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding I can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe it works.
I can think of one other thing: the justification for tacking 45° into the wind when sailing is not easy to understand.
That's pretty much same thing as lift. A sail is an airfoil generating lift, and everything follows from that consideration.
Actually the best (IMHO) casual-read text on aerodynamics is the one written about sails by a Boeing \ MDD aerodynamics engineer.... Nice mix of interests!
My understanding is that while sailing likely started with the idea of using the wind to push a boat, it doesn't actually work like that and you don't really want it to. Rather, as kalvado points out, a sail is a vertical wing with the force of lift going forward instead of up. But knowing all that nonetheless at least intuitively conflicts with sailing into the wind at all. Although if I understand that correctly, the keel is key to making that possible. that said, I am admittedly no expert here.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 22, 2023, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 20, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 07:34:36 AMThe only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding I can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe it works.
I can think of one other thing: the justification for tacking 45° into the wind when sailing is not easy to understand.
That's pretty much same thing as lift. A sail is an airfoil generating lift, and everything follows from that consideration.
Actually the best (IMHO) casual-read text on aerodynamics is the one written about sails by a Boeing \ MDD aerodynamics engineer.... Nice mix of interests!
My understanding is that while sailing likely started with the idea of using the wind to push a boat, it doesn't actually work like that and you don't really want it to. Rather, as kalvado points out, a sail is a vertical wing with the force of lift going forward instead of up. But knowing all that nonetheless at least intuitively conflicts with sailing into the wind at all. Although if I understand that correctly, the keel is key to making that possible. that said, I am admittedly no expert here.
Square rigging was the original one. Polinesians learnt ho to use lift about 3000 years ago. As far as I understand, europeans learning the trick was the precursor for age of discovery...
Kiel is the forth force required to make things add up... And yes, sailing directly into the wind is still impossible with non-moving sail. Some tailwind is still optimal condition
(https://sailing-blog.nauticed.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CatamaranPolarPlot.png)
I wonder if we'll see the day physical law changes because of MMM. I have the feeling that MMM will be able to make 2 plus 2 equal 3 real soon.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 01:25:31 PM
I wonder if we'll see the day physical law changes because of MMM. I have the feeling that MMM will be able to make 2 plus 2 equal 3 real soon.
Oh, so he's the one responsible for inflation?....
Quote from: kalvado on January 23, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 01:25:31 PM
I wonder if we'll see the day physical law changes because of MMM. I have the feeling that MMM will be able to make 2 plus 2 equal 3 real soon.
Oh, so he's the one responsible for inflation?....
I wonder, what is MMM's take on how the universe will end? Heat Death, the Big Rip and or the Big Crunch?
Quote from: kalvado on January 22, 2023, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 22, 2023, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 20, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 07:34:36 AMThe only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding I can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe it works.
I can think of one other thing: the justification for tacking 45° into the wind when sailing is not easy to understand.
That's pretty much same thing as lift. A sail is an airfoil generating lift, and everything follows from that consideration.
Actually the best (IMHO) casual-read text on aerodynamics is the one written about sails by a Boeing \ MDD aerodynamics engineer.... Nice mix of interests!
My understanding is that while sailing likely started with the idea of using the wind to push a boat, it doesn't actually work like that and you don't really want it to. Rather, as kalvado points out, a sail is a vertical wing with the force of lift going forward instead of up. But knowing all that nonetheless at least intuitively conflicts with sailing into the wind at all. Although if I understand that correctly, the keel is key to making that possible. that said, I am admittedly no expert here.
Square rigging was the original one. Polinesians learnt ho to use lift about 3000 years ago. As far as I understand, europeans learning the trick was the precursor for age of discovery...
Kiel is the forth force required to make things add up... And yes, sailing directly into the wind is still impossible with non-moving sail. Some tailwind is still optimal condition
(https://sailing-blog.nauticed.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CatamaranPolarPlot.png)
True, true, but it's amazing that you can sail even only 30 degrees away from directly into the wind, and to me, even more amazing that, at least at certain angles, you can sail faster than the wind is blowing.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 23, 2023, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 22, 2023, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 22, 2023, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 20, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 20, 2023, 07:34:36 AMThe only other thing in physics which causes general misunderstanding I can think of is lift generation in aerodynamics. But since planes do fly, people sort of believe it works.
I can think of one other thing: the justification for tacking 45° into the wind when sailing is not easy to understand.
That's pretty much same thing as lift. A sail is an airfoil generating lift, and everything follows from that consideration.
Actually the best (IMHO) casual-read text on aerodynamics is the one written about sails by a Boeing \ MDD aerodynamics engineer.... Nice mix of interests!
My understanding is that while sailing likely started with the idea of using the wind to push a boat, it doesn't actually work like that and you don't really want it to. Rather, as kalvado points out, a sail is a vertical wing with the force of lift going forward instead of up. But knowing all that nonetheless at least intuitively conflicts with sailing into the wind at all. Although if I understand that correctly, the keel is key to making that possible. that said, I am admittedly no expert here.
Square rigging was the original one. Polinesians learnt ho to use lift about 3000 years ago. As far as I understand, europeans learning the trick was the precursor for age of discovery...
Kiel is the forth force required to make things add up... And yes, sailing directly into the wind is still impossible with non-moving sail. Some tailwind is still optimal condition
(https://sailing-blog.nauticed.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CatamaranPolarPlot.png)
True, true, but it's amazing that you can sail even only 30 degrees away from directly into the wind, and to me, even more amazing that, at least at certain angles, you can sail faster than the wind is blowing.
What is
really amazing for me is a machine running directly into the wind faster than the wind blows....
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 23, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 01:25:31 PM
I wonder if we'll see the day physical law changes because of MMM. I have the feeling that MMM will be able to make 2 plus 2 equal 3 real soon.
Oh, so he's the one responsible for inflation?....
I wonder, what is MMM's take on how the universe will end? Heat Death, the Big Rip and or the Big Crunch?
Heat death is the only likely outcome.
How do you account for Cosmic Inflation speeding up more and more as time goes along? What is going to slow Cosmic Inflation enough that subatomic particles aren't eventually pulled apart by expanding space?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 08:02:24 PM
How do you account for Cosmic Inflation speeding up more and more as time goes along? What is going to slow Cosmic Inflation enough that subatomic particles aren't eventually pulled apart by expanding space?
What is the inflation rate for Star Bits, anyway? (I'm aware they were introduced about a decade after the games you're familiar with.)
Why would the space inside everything including atoms expand?
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 01:25:31 PM
I wonder if we'll see the day physical law changes because of MMM. I have the feeling that MMM will be able to make 2 plus 2 equal 3 real soon.
Is MMM a Law mage (https://www.reddit.com/r/fallfromheaven/comments/a5nbqn/magic_of_fall_from_heaven/)?
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Soqed Hozi (4)- Head of the Order during the Age of Magic. It is said that if she spoke a lie, reality would change to make it into truth. Soqed had a mute twin who was little more than a dim shadow of her powerful sister. The two remained at the Temple of Atonement where they oversaw the church and its inquisitors.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Why would the space inside everything including atoms expand?
Because atoms are a part of spacetime. So why wouldn't the matter expand as well?
Why would it? If I stand inside the envelope of a blimp that's being inflated, I don't inflate too.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Why would the space inside everything including atoms expand?
Because atoms are a part of spacetime. So why wouldn't the matter expand as well?
Why would it? If I stand inside the envelope of a blimp that's being inflated, I don't inflate too.
Yes but the space within the atom is expanding.
What if it's not, though?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Why would the space inside everything including atoms expand?
Because atoms are a part of spacetime. So why wouldn't the matter expand as well?
Why would it? If I stand inside the envelope of a blimp that's being inflated, I don't inflate too.
But you might fly apart if the space around your subatomic particles expands fast enough to overcome all the forces holding you together.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Why would the space inside everything including atoms expand?
Because atoms are a part of spacetime. So why wouldn't the matter expand as well?
Why would it? If I stand inside the envelope of a blimp that's being inflated, I don't inflate too.
But you might fly apart if the space around your subatomic particles expands fast enough to overcome all the forces holding you together.
The force holding me together is my credit card debt, and there is no force in the multiverse stronger than that.
^^^
I think this is needed.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:39:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Why would the space inside everything including atoms expand?
Because atoms are a part of spacetime. So why wouldn't the matter expand as well?
Why would it? If I stand inside the envelope of a blimp that's being inflated, I don't inflate too.
But you might fly apart if the space around your subatomic particles expands fast enough to overcome all the forces holding you together.
The force holding me together is my credit card debt, and there is no force in the multiverse stronger than that.
So you're saying if we find the right balance of crippling consumer credit card debt the universe will enter into sustainable order? The question is, how much credit debt will cause the universe to collapse back into a singularity?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 10:05:56 PM
1234 is looking like a juicy post number..maybe I should take a break from the forum for a while now...
Don't worry, the admins will fix that right up for you.
Quote from: US 89 on January 23, 2023, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 10:05:56 PM
1234 is looking like a juicy post number..maybe I should take a break from the forum for a while now...
Don't worry, the admins will fix that right up for you.
But then he wouldn't take a break.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 10:05:56 PM
1234 is looking like a juicy post number..maybe I should take a break from the forum for a while now...
12 wasn't juicy enough?
Well he's down almost to 12. He has a daily post of 13.711 currently.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2023, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 23, 2023, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 23, 2023, 10:05:56 PM
1234 is looking like a juicy post number..maybe I should take a break from the forum for a while now...
Don't worry, the admins will fix that right up for you.
But then he wouldn't take a break.
May I remind you, the power to reset MMM to a singularity rests in your hands.
The Great Reset that would be, not that political term used but a new one of the mind of a 23 year old Autosexual.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 11:25:18 PM
The Great Reset that would be, not that political term used but a new one of the mind of a 23 year old Autosexual.
I'll borrow one from Final Fantasy V, return MMM to the Void!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 11:25:18 PM
The Great Reset that would be, not that political term used but a new one of the mind of a 23 year old Autosexual.
I'll borrow one from Final Fantasy V, return MMM to the Void!
He's fun....void doesn't need all that fun to stay void!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 11:25:18 PM
The Great Reset that would be, not that political term used but a new one of the mind of a 23 year old Autosexual.
I'll borrow one from Final Fantasy V, return MMM to the Void!
I opened the door to IV, do we just declare he's Kefka for the FF VI reference? MMM, king of the world in his tower, using his "Light of Judgment" to burn a right-of-way for all his interstates.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2023, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 11:25:18 PM
The Great Reset that would be, not that political term used but a new one of the mind of a 23 year old Autosexual.
I'll borrow one from Final Fantasy V, return MMM to the Void!
I opened the door to IV, do we just declare he's Kefka for the FF VI reference? MMM, king of the world in his tower, using his "Light of Judgment" to burn a right-of-way for all his interstates.
Nah, Kefka was in the destruction game for destruction's sake. MMM is closer to Ultros in my view.
Speaking of MMM here, I now recall another troll on here named MrHappy. What happened to him?
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2023, 03:38:02 PM
Speaking of MMM here, I now recall another troll on here named MrHappy. What happened to him?
That was tolbs17 before he changed his username.
Oh yes. I remember somewhat as Alex granted him special request to change his username.
That explains why tolbs17 gets into it big with another user on here constantly.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2023, 03:40:18 PM
Oh yes. I remember somewhat as Alex granted him special request to change his username.
That explains why tolbs17 gets into it big with another user on here constantly.
Who was he getting into it with? The issue with tolbs was that he didn't really have much in the way of common sense regarding what was appropriate on a public forum. If I recall correctly tolbs spoke often about being on the spectrum. That being the case, the things he did never really registered with him as being inappropriate. The mod staff tried to reason with tolbs for quite a long time but nobody really could get through. The buried Peekaboo/Mary Hannah thread really spoke to how tolbs was and how he couldn't take feedback from mods.
Who's the one in Virginia that gets pretty heated with another user over VA roads?
I think I may have him confused with another, as for some reason tolbs17 does seem familiar as an argumentative with another user as well.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2023, 04:39:39 PM
Who's the one in Virginia that gets pretty heated with another user over VA roads?
I think I may have him confused with another, as for some reason tolbs17 does seem familiar as an argumentative with another user as well.
You may be thinking of the Beltway vs. sprjus4 debates, or bluecountry. None of these three users are banned, but the first is no longer active.
Or possibly Angelo71, but he wasn't argumentative.
You're probably thinking of Angelo71. He had a whole pro-Virginia and anti-Gross Californian Vegan thing going on.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2023, 03:38:02 PM
Speaking of MMM here, I now recall another troll on here named MrHappy. What happened to him?
Imagine calling someone who posts only .6 times a day and only 60 posts in 2-3 months, a "troll" LOL. Not sure where ya got my 25-30/day number count from.
Gee, it looks to me like you post 85.198 times a day.
Yeah, and so was I-480 (CA).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
The scale of the Embarcadero Freeway was nothing compared to what was planned with the Golden Gate Freeway:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/03/the-embarcadero-and-history-of.html?m=1
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
No, it just deletes the decimal point. (Probably because it's stored as a MySQL
int datatype, and so the underlying database has no way of storing a decimal.)
I've been meaning to ask what the thresholds are for each status tag, like county, turnpike, interstate..etc, couldn't find any help threads on it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2023, 03:38:02 PM
Speaking of MMM here, I now recall another troll on here named MrHappy. What happened to him?
Imagine calling someone who posts only .6 times a day and only 60 posts in 2-3 months, a "troll" LOL. Not sure where ya got my 25-30/day number count from.
Being a troll is about quality as much as quantity.
This thread has reached a new low in terms of coherency.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2023, 06:40:52 PM
You're probably thinking of Angelo71. He had a whole pro-Virginia and anti-Gross Californian Vegan thing going on.
Don't forget anti-"Gross Pittsburgh".
Quote from: dlsterner on January 24, 2023, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2023, 06:40:52 PM
You're probably thinking of Angelo71. He had a whole pro-Virginia and anti-Gross Californian Vegan thing going on.
Don't forget anti-"Gross Pittsburgh".
That kind of talk gets places named Virginia annexed as Oblasts of Alanland.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2023, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on January 24, 2023, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2023, 06:40:52 PM
You're probably thinking of Angelo71. He had a whole pro-Virginia and anti-Gross Californian Vegan thing going on.
Don't forget anti-"Gross Pittsburgh".
That kind of talk gets places named Virginia annexed as Oblasts of Alanland.
I swear if this thread turns into Alanland II...
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 06:58:00 PM
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The tenth Grand Alan was Alan Register (J-FX). Register inherited an office in disarray from his scandal-ridden predecessor, Alan Bannister. Bannister had become morose at the failure of his much-vaunted ALANCAN system, and as a result allowed the powers and duties and houseplants of the office to atrophy over the waning years of his term. The election of Register was seen as an all-but-inevitable necessity to bring new life and vitality to the office.
Register is actually quite unusual amongst the Grand Alans, as he is the only one to have served in the Dominant Parliament before taking office as Grand Alan. Most young men bestowed the name of Alan do not participate in the 3.14 Houses of Parliament at all, given that they can simply be elected as Grand Alan more or less whenever. Register, however, served capably and competently as Dominator for a good number of years before seeking the Alancy. Register made the case for his candidacy in that after the divisive Bannister administration, none could truly embody the unity of the 3.14 parliaments without having served as a member of one. He was elected in a landslide under his banner of "He Knows Where The Light Switches Are", which was seen as a much stronger slogan than Bannister's "You Can't Make Me Get Out Of Bed".
Register's first act upon taking office was to order the inside and outside of all federal buildings, bridges, and national parks painted a shade known as "Tasteful Beige". In order to avoid the "pitiful display" of another effortless campaign like Bannister's, the crime of political woosterism was codified, and an amendment to the Alanland Constitution requiring the purchase and wearing of a fish hat while campaigning for public office was enacted. (Initially, the fish hats were required to be Tasteful Beige as well, but this was quickly dropped by act of the Introspective Parliament after nine days, mostly because the Introspective Warbler at the time said beige made his hair look too provocative.)
Register was adamant that he would have the most uneventful administration of any Grand Alan. This extended to the point that he made the rounds in Quindaro Hall, terminating any federal employee that looked like they might be doing something interesting. Nevertheless, some incremental reforms did take place during Register's term of office, like standardizing the ratio of croutons to salad, regulations on fast-drying paint, establishing procedures for the sorting and storage of socks, and establishing the standard six minute, thirty-three second minimum hold time before one is allowed to speak to a customer service representative.
Despite Register's best efforts, and his skill as a negotiator in the Dominant Parliament, one intractable foreign policy issue did rise to the fore during his term. A group of federal fence painters in Porshaped Oblast were alleged by the Nimbyan Government to have carelessly applied some amount of Tasteful Beige paint to a structure on the Nimbyan side of the border. The Nimbyans allege that it was "way the hell too much" paint, while the Alanlanders contend it was only a few drips. The Proctor of Nimbya's stern directive to Quindaro to "Keep that ugly beige shit out of our Nimbya" rankled more than a few feathers among top administration staff. This touched off a protracted period of tensions with the neighboring country. The Register administration was happy to field questions regarding the possibility of military intervention, responding to them with forceful rhetoric like "You asked about that yesterday." This culminated in a speech given by Alan Register himself, best known for the quote, "What makes you think we're at war with Nimbya? That wouldn't be very interesting."
Alan Register was many things, but his story has been mostly forgotten by the populace. It is shame that all but the most weighty tomes of Alanland history gloss over his term of office–it's crucial to the understanding of the modern day situation.
...oh wait, it already is.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 08:36:55 PM
This thread has reached a new low in terms of coherency.
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Wouldn't that just bleed the problem into other threads?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
Wouldn't that just bleed the problem into other threads?
Imagine worrying about that when you are the one who created this thread to begin with LMAO. In fact most of the recently locked threads you started, except the MMM thread where the reason it was locked was never disclosed...oh wait...
MMM, since you mentioned Angelo71's post count: He deleted most of his posts after a mental breakdown.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
My crockpot tells me that the square root of 2 doesn't exist. After all, numbers can't just be irrational. That wouldn't make sense.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
No, it just deletes the decimal point. (Probably because it's stored as a MySQL int datatype, and so the underlying database has no way of storing a decimal.)
What about negative numbers?
Do we need to welcome MMM to the forums since his post count is so low?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
No, it just deletes the decimal point. (Probably because it's stored as a MySQL int datatype, and so the underlying database has no way of storing a decimal.)
What about negative numbers?
It rounds up to 0.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
No, it just deletes the decimal point. (Probably because it's stored as a MySQL int datatype, and so the underlying database has no way of storing a decimal.)
What about negative numbers?
It rounds up to 0.
Did you give him a very negative post count then?
Quote from: 1 on January 24, 2023, 10:22:30 PM
MMM, since you mentioned Angelo71's post count: He deleted most of his posts after a mental breakdown.
We'd all go a little mad if we were solely responsible for our home states being forcefully annexed into Alanland.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 24, 2023, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2023, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
I know, that sucks that they got rid of it. And they didn't didn't even transfer it over to I-238 either. BTW, is it possible to make a post count woth decimal? Like 1.4142135, which is the square root of 2, that would be nice.
No, it just deletes the decimal point. (Probably because it's stored as a MySQL int datatype, and so the underlying database has no way of storing a decimal.)
What about negative numbers?
It rounds up to 0.
Did you give him a very negative post count then?
Not super negative, I just tried —32 since that's a nice round number.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2023, 10:54:59 PM
We'd all go a little mad if we were solely responsible for our home states being forcefully annexed into Alanland.
Speak for yourself. I'd probably buy a fish hat, personally.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
I love this, no one can ever complain about my excessive posting again. Even if Scott resets it to 10,000 no one will ever know the real number now LOL
So you admitted it's excessive. Checkmate.
He's going to stick his foot in his mouth sometime.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
I love this, no one can ever complain about my excessive posting again. Even if Scott resets it to 10,000 no one will ever know the real number now LOL
If I click on your profile, go to view posts, and go to the bottom of the last page, I can see the post count. This is an extremely top secret method.
Quote from: cockroachking on January 24, 2023, 11:53:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
I love this, no one can ever complain about my excessive posting again. Even if Scott resets it to 10,000 no one will ever know the real number now LOL
If I click on your profile, go to view posts, and go to the bottom of the last page, I can see the post count. This is an extremely top secret method.
Threads that got moved to admin-only (which happens a lot more than outright deletion on this forum) are still included in the number but not shown there unless you're an admin.
Quote from: 1 on January 25, 2023, 05:25:10 AM
Quote from: cockroachking on January 24, 2023, 11:53:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
I love this, no one can ever complain about my excessive posting again. Even if Scott resets it to 10,000 no one will ever know the real number now LOL
If I click on your profile, go to view posts, and go to the bottom of the last page, I can see the post count. This is an extremely top secret method.
Threads that got moved to admin-only (which happens a lot more than outright deletion on this forum) are still included in the number but not shown there unless you're an admin.
Each board actually has a "Count posts" switch that indicates whether posts in that board count or not. The admin-only boards have this switch off. I believe this means that it deducts from the post count when posts are moved there from boards that do count. (ETA: Just tested; it does in fact deduct the posts.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:58:33 PM
Nah, I just didn't feel like adding quotation marks. My "real" post count was down to 12-13 a day, which isn't troll territory for a forum in my opinion.
You can be a troll with just a single post. There's no minimum to be considered a troll.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on January 25, 2023, 09:14:31 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 24, 2023, 10:58:33 PM
Nah, I just didn't feel like adding quotation marks. My "real" post count was down to 12-13 a day, which isn't troll territory for a forum in my opinion.
You can be a troll with just a single post. There's no minimum to be considered a troll.
Trolling and flooding are two different sports!
All this reminds me of this clip from star trek:
Is the best type of trolling from the troll who is genuinely trying to help?
https://www.quotes.net/mquote/864473
And Data babbles.
I thought this thread got locked, but it's still open. Please move the discussion here.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:26:56 PM
What I should do is create a separate poll for who should be promoted to webmaster of the forum:
MMM
FritzOwl
Kernals12
NE2
Poiponen13
This won't happen unless Alex steps down. If he does, I would write in Scott5114, and in the election to replace Scott5114's admin position,
LilianaUwU (she declined) kphoger.
Are we moving the "nut rate" talk here also?
Would not increasing that nut rate solve that high testosterone problem?
I'm also behind, but I'm at least trying. I've found someone named [redacted, I'm not Poiponen13], but she lives 7 hours away, and we only started talking a few days ago.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 04, 2023, 08:44:15 PM
Would not increasing that nut rate solve that high testosterone problem?
I don't know what the body's response would be. MMM should consult a doctor if it's that concerning to him, not pseudonymous strangers on the internet.
I understand that as an adult whatever he consults a doctor about does not get reported to his parents or whoever pays his doctor bills, unless he ask the doctor to share it.
The urination problem you speak of, that's normal for awhile after emissions.
Quote from: kkt on February 04, 2023, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 04, 2023, 08:44:15 PM
Would not increasing that nut rate solve that high testosterone problem?
I don't know what the body's response would be. MMM should consult a doctor if it's that concerning to him, not pseudonymous strangers on the internet.
I understand that as an adult whatever he consults a doctor about does not get reported to his parents or whoever pays his doctor bills, unless he ask the doctor to share it.
A lot of this strikes me as someone who probably could use some sort of professional consultation in general.
I did get examined by a urologist actually for that. It was minor but it lasted a couple days after rather than a few hours.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 04, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
The urination problem you speak of, that's normal for awhile after emissions.
Quote from: kkt on February 04, 2023, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 04, 2023, 08:44:15 PM
Would not increasing that nut rate solve that high testosterone problem?
I don't know what the body's response would be. MMM should consult a doctor if it's that concerning to him, not pseudonymous strangers on the internet.
I understand that as an adult whatever he consults a doctor about does not get reported to his parents or whoever pays his doctor bills, unless he ask the doctor to share it.
A lot of this strikes me as someone who probably could use some sort of professional consultation in general.
If he's still on his parents' health insurance, now would be a great time to do that.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:58:42 PM
I did get examined by a urologist actually for that. It was minor but it lasted a couple days after rather than a few hours.
And you assume changing the moderator on a random web site would resolve the issue?
Quote from: kalvado on February 04, 2023, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:58:42 PM
I did get examined by a urologist actually for that. It was minor but it lasted a couple days after rather than a few hours.
And you assume changing the moderator on a random web site would resolve the issue?
Well, kernals does profess to have all the answers. I'm sure he would have some sort of unproven Howard Hughes-tech suggestion for MMM.
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2023, 08:33:27 PM
I thought this thread got locked, but it's still open. Please move the discussion here.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:26:56 PM
What I should do is create a separate poll for who should be promoted to webmaster of the forum:
MMM
FritzOwl
Kernals12
NE2
Poiponen13
This won't happen unless Alex steps down. If he does, I would write in Scott5114, and in the election to replace Scott5114's admin position, LilianaUwU (she declined) kphoger.
Alex can't really "step down" as he owns the underlying website and pays the bills. So taking over Alex's spot would mean taking over his financial responsibilities as well. I don't know how much they are, but I would really only want to do that if the alternative was the forum closing down.
When it comes to people taking over in the event of an absence, don't sleep on the regional mods, though. They are really excellent and take care of a lot of stuff behind the scenes. They just tend to have a lower profile because...well, they're regional, so you don't see how the moderation in the regions you don't pay attention to goes.
Quote from: kalvado on February 04, 2023, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:58:42 PM
I did get examined by a urologist actually for that. It was minor but it lasted a couple days after rather than a few hours.
And you assume changing the moderator on a random web site would resolve the issue?
I wasn't talking about my health issues, was just joking about editing the poll.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/ejaculation_frequency_and_prostate_cancer
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The scientists found no evidence that frequent ejaculations mark an increased risk of prostate cancer. In fact, the reverse was true: High ejaculation frequency was linked to a decreased risk. Compared to men who reported 4—7 ejaculations per month across their lifetimes, men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 31% lower risk of prostate cancer. And the results held up to rigorous statistical evaluation even after other lifestyle factors and the frequency of PSA testing were taken into account.
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2023, 08:33:27 PM
I thought this thread got locked, but it's still open. Please move the discussion here.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:26:56 PM
What I should do is create a separate poll for who should be promoted to webmaster of the forum:
MMM
FritzOwl
Kernals12
NE2
Poiponen13
This won't happen unless Alex steps down. If he does, I would write in Scott5114, and in the election to replace Scott5114's admin position, LilianaUwU (Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2023, 08:33:27 PM
I thought this thread got locked, but it's still open. Please move the discussion here.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 04, 2023, 08:26:56 PM
What I should do is create a separate poll for who should be promoted to webmaster of the forum:
MMM
FritzOwl
Kernals12
NE2
Poiponen13
This won't happen unless Alex steps down. If he does, I would write in Scott5114, and in the election to replace Scott5114's admin position, LilianaUwU (she declined) kphoger.
she declined) kphoger.
NE2 is already a de facto moderator as he is been known to scare away new users who asked a question that was a common thorn to users several years ago.
Then one specific moderator who once knew NE2 a long time ago in person, rewards him for ridding this forum of what he thinks is a future troll.
What is this obsession with NE2? And all these others users you constantly reference? How do you people even remember what so many different users say?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 02:31:45 PM
What is this obsession with NE2? And all these others users you constantly reference? How do you people even remember what so many different users say?
By using our brains
A lot of us know other forum users in real life, even if it is on a name-only basis. There is at least a dozen forum users that I would consider friends.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 03:10:55 PM
A lot of us know other forum users in real life, even if it is on a name-only basis. There is at least a dozen forum users that I would consider friends.
I don't know any of you in person, but this is a tight nit forum. Most of the time when someone responds to my post I know who they are.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 03:00:25 PM
Sounds like an obsession/harassment almost. Like with me I'm new and post alot more frequently its understandable, but there are literally 5000 people here.
How many of those 5000 actively post (or have actively posted in the past)? Maybe 500 or so?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 08, 2023, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 03:00:25 PM
Sounds like an obsession/harassment almost. Like with me I'm new and post alot more frequently its understandable, but there are literally 5000 people here.
How many of those 5000 actively post (or have actively posted in the past)? Maybe 500 or so?
Only about 1000 of them have posted even at least 50 times. Only about 350 or so have posted at least 500 times. Out of people who post multiple times a day, it's so much less.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 02:31:45 PM
What is this obsession with NE2? And all these others users you constantly reference? How do you people even remember what so many different users say?
Some users just stand out, in one way or another.
NE2 is famous because he has a particular style and sense of humor. But unlike the other users like him, NE2 has enormous road knowledge and has a lot to offer as well.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
NE2 is famous because he has a particular style and sense of humor. But unlike the other users like him, NE2 has enormous road knowledge and has a lot to offer as well.
Also, let's be honest, he's not the only user who isn't subject to all of the forum's rules.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 02:31:45 PM
What is this obsession with NE2? And all these others users you constantly reference? How do you people even remember what so many different users say?
NE2 tried to scare me off this forum when I first joined. I expressed common dislike of toll roads and mentioned a radio commentator who said all the Central Florida should be gone at the time. Wrong move.
The commentator I mentioned is known by NE2 from living in my radio market. The commentator I stated by name, of course, and turns out to be a person who is politically opposite of NE2. That then brought the toll verses non toll argument into politics ( or in his mind anyway as I worked at the time in a plant with left leaning liberals who hated the tolls more than I do) and then my second item of discussion was the jughandle on Route 35 in Laurence Harbor, NJ and I said " That the jughandle there was dumb" he said " I think your posts are dumb" which at the time I only had maybe ten posts overall and a member for two days maybe. That is being way too forward and rude and if I made that same comment myself I would be challenged into a heated argument.
Good thing the people I work with who are as Left as NE2 agree with my dislike of tolls as I would have left this forum. Anyway, I complained off line to a virtual road friend. Bad move again. This other road enthusiast turns out to be an old friend of NE2 and told me to turn the other cheek due to some traumatic event that NE2 endured earlier in his life that led to his attitude today.
The story gets better as I'm not the best speller in the world either and NE2 loves to point out my spelling and grammar and get angry over it. Heck he nearly crapped his drawers when I used caption over captured in a sentence in a post. Then NE2 posted later on that day that I did it purposely to piss him off, which had me literally to the ground laughing as I admit I do have ignorance toward grammar, but for him to get upset over spelling and grammar is too far out there.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 08, 2023, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
NE2 is famous because he has a particular style and sense of humor. But unlike the other users like him, NE2 has enormous road knowledge and has a lot to offer as well.
Also, let's be honest, he's not the only user who isn't subject to all of the forum's rules.
Yeah, like you. Most of your posts are in off topic and half of them at least inderectly mention politics. You barely post about roads.
I respect Alex and he sees the guy as helpful. I have to admit that he is knowledgeable about roads and stuff and I will credit him there for that.
When he has outbursts and that one moderator on here uses him as his personal junkyard dog to scare off new users who can later on be a troll is why I responded to MMM with that he don't need to be in the running cause he is a mod already and of course is why I consider him to be a person of interest.
No I don't think about him 24/7 or anything that extreme as I have my own life to keep me busy.
BTW I do have a sympathetic side as I know how hard it is to get proper medical treatment for mental health these days. If he did have a breakdown he has my compassion as I in 1988 suffered a severe breakdown. I couldn't afford a basic shrink and was unaware that if you saw your primary care you can get a referral that would be covered by insurance. So I went to the local free clinic instead and got a quack who was an intern not yet capable of handling such a breakdown and tried to say I was just lazy without wanting to know the details of the problems I presented. He told me push ups was the answer to stop sociopathic behavior as I was afraid I might have been turning into one at the time.
Shows you how ignorant therapists can be as with that rationale the OKC bombing could have been avoided if Tim McVae did exercises the moment he contemplated blowing up the federal building.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2023, 03:36:19 PMYou barely post about roads.
Correct, I don't know much about roads, so I come here to learn about them by reading others' posts. Most of the time, when I post about roads, it's to ask questions about an upcoming road trip, or to talk about how the road trip went, because it's nice to ask questions and then follow up with your own experience (something I learned from FlyerTalk). I don't drive much and barely drive outside Chicagoland at all, so really the only time I post about roads is if I happen to be driving past, say, the construction of I-490, and want to give an update on what I observed.
If you think I talk too much about politics without being reprimanded by the modmins, then take it up with them. My original comment was in regards to a forum member who makes personal attacks against other boarders, only to have a sympathetic mod come in behind them and delete the comments without any sort of warning.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 08, 2023, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2023, 03:36:19 PMYou barely post about roads.
Correct, I don't know much about roads, so I come here to learn about them by reading others' posts. Most of the time, when I post about roads, it's to ask questions about an upcoming road trip, or to talk about how the road trip went, because it's nice to ask questions and then follow up with your own experience (something I learned from FlyerTalk). I don't drive much and barely drive outside Chicagoland at all, so really the only time I post about roads is if I happen to be driving past, say, the construction of I-490, and want to give an update on what I observed.
If you think I talk too much about politics without being reprimanded by the modmins, then take it up with them. My original comment was in regards to a forum member who makes personal attacks against other boarders, only to have a sympathetic mod come in behind them and delete the comments without any sort of warning.
No you're good. I kinda wish that the mods were more lenient with politics anyway.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 02:31:45 PMWhat is this obsession with NE2? And all these others users you constantly reference? How do you people even remember what so many different users say?
About one-third of the posts on this forum have been produced by the 16 or so people with post counts over 10,000, so over time you do form a sense of the personalities in play just by osmosis.
Many of us originally came to this forum from the Usenet newsgroup misc.transport.road, where NE2 (under a different handle, of course) was one of the earliest members. The breadth and depth of his knowledge of route numbering systems is very difficult to match.
One of the more "infamous" posters was recently banned. He did quite a bit during his tenure here which would have likely gotten him kicked out of other road groups several times over. The reason he wasn't banned until lately is due to this forum being very lite on moderation, not favoritism. One observation I've had is that getting yourself kicked out tends to come quicker if you don't have any actual valid contributions to the hobby or forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 05:15:54 PM
One of the more "infamous" posters was recently banned. He did quite a bit during his tenure here which would have likely gotten him kicked out of other road groups several times over. The reason he wasn't banned until lately is due to this forum being very lite on moderation, not favoritism. One observation I've had is that getting yourself kicked out tends to come quicker if you don't have any actual valid contributions to the hobby or forum.
My first warning (85%), without any previous warnings was for referencing a fictional plan in a regional board, which I still acknowledged and apologized for, (I was referencing it as a "ha ha the DOT wouldn't like my plan then") and mentioned the plan" not intending to spam the thread, but I was never warned about that before (this was in early december)
I emphasized the last sentence of my previous statement. You might want to think how it applies to your specific circumstance with the 85% warning. I'm certainly by no means a moderator, but a lot of your early actions on forum were stirring a hornets nest of discontent.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 05:15:54 PM
One of the more "infamous" posters was recently banned. He did quite a bit during his tenure here which would have likely gotten him kicked out of other road groups several times over. The reason he wasn't banned until lately is due to this forum being very lite on moderation, not favoritism. One observation I've had is that getting yourself kicked out tends to come quicker if you don't have any actual valid contributions to the hobby or forum.
Also, I'm not aware of all of this user's posts, but the remarks they made that led to a ban were reprehensible, and I'm pretty sure their posts prior to that were just annoying.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 05:15:54 PM
One of the more "infamous" posters was recently banned. He did quite a bit during his tenure here which would have likely gotten him kicked out of other road groups several times over. The reason he wasn't banned until lately is due to this forum being very lite on moderation, not favoritism. One observation I've had is that getting yourself kicked out tends to come quicker if you don't have any actual valid contributions to the hobby or forum.
My first warning (85%), without any previous warnings was for referencing a fictional plan in a regional board, which I still acknowledged and apologized for, (I was referencing it as a "ha ha the DOT wouldn't like my plan then") and mentioned the plan" not intending to spam the thread, but I was never warned about that before (this was in early december)
I emphasized the last sentence of my previous statement. You might want to think how it applies to your specific circumstance with the 85% warning. I'm certainly by no means a moderator, but a lot of your early actions on forum were stirring a hornets nest of discontent.
I wasn't considered a troll back then. Even all my helicopter ideas I didn't start talking about until Mid-December is. The point being I was never specifically warned about that particular infraction before, and I still got 85% warning level for 1 infraction, which didn't even have any offensive content in it. But the fact that people are openly admitting that only some people are allowed to break the rules or not makes it all clear.
You were very much considered a troll at the time.
If you feel were treated unfairly, why not petition a moderator? Looking for sympathy from the group here isn't working out now is it?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 06:41:06 PM
If you feel were treated unfairly, why not petition a moderator?
This doesn't work the way you think it does. Ask any minority in the South before the civil rights era or even today, anyone who's being sexually harassed at work. Even if you are entirely in the right (not that MMM is), you're likely only making things worse for yourself because the people above you have absolute power over you.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 02:31:45 PM
What is this obsession with NE2? And all these others users you constantly reference? How do you people even remember what so many different users say?
Because everyone on this site is a person, and it's polite to get to know people you're going to spend a lot of time with? And because of that most of us consider the other people on this site our friends?
There is a certain user that hasn't posted for a few weeks and I know this without checking his profile just because I notice we haven't heard from him in a while. And I'd imagine most of the people reading this can guess who I'm talking about, because they noticed the same thing.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 06:37:43 PM
Not by the mods. Out of 1540 posts, only 2 were offensive enough to trigger warning levels. I was being moderated from Dec 7 until 2 weeks ago, all but 3 of my posts since then were approved.
Not getting moderated merely means that your posts were judged to not break the rules, not that they were any good.
It looks like you haven't realized that 85% thing was probably the mod trolling you. (I don't agree with the use of that particular moderator tool for that sort of thing, thus why I reversed it. Said mod has since stepped down for unrelated reasons, so the issue is entirely moot now.)
Quote from: 1 on February 08, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 06:41:06 PM
If you feel were treated unfairly, why not petition a moderator?
This doesn't work the way you think it does. Ask any minority in the South before the civil rights era or even today, anyone who's being sexually harassed at work. Even if you are entirely in the right (not that MMM is), you're likely only making things worse for yourself because the people above you have absolute power over you.
Oh come on, those aren't even close to an apples to apples comparison with what is going on here. A guy not taking hints about toning down his trollish postings on a web forum doesn't frequently approach the levels of actual violence, civil rights violations or harassment.
At this point, is anyone actually arguing to moderate MMM out? So long as his more wacky ideas stay contained to fictional threads I personally don't see an issue.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 08, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2023, 06:41:06 PM
If you feel were treated unfairly, why not petition a moderator?
This doesn't work the way you think it does. Ask any minority in the South before the civil rights era or even today, anyone who's being sexually harassed at work. Even if you are entirely in the right (not that MMM is), you're likely only making things worse for yourself because the people above you have absolute power over you.
Oh come on, those aren't even close to an apples to apples comparison with what is going on here. A guy not taking hints about toning down his trollish postings on a web forum doesn't frequently approach the levels of actual violence, civil rights violations or harassment.
At this point, is anyone actually arguing to moderate MMM out? So long as his more wacky ideas stay contained to fictional threads I personally don't see an issue.
Also, I'll admit our moderation isn't
perfect but we do
try to be fair...
MMM, I'm not a moderator so I can't comment about the details of the moderation system. But the main purpose of the board is roads, REAL roads, pictures, history. There's a place for fictional roads, but it's mainly to keep those posts out of the real roads boards. Posting there won't get you any brownie points, and posting ridiculous flights of fancy give you a reputation as a troll.
Maybe you can talk about or post nice pictures of the roads near your home? Take a road trip and take some pictures? I understand there's loads of great scenery upstate that would be worth a photo or two.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 08, 2023, 07:31:52 PM
It looks like you haven't realized that 85% thing was probably the mod trolling you. (I don't agree with the use of that particular moderator tool for that sort of thing, thus why I reversed it. Said mod has since stepped down for unrelated reasons, so the issue is entirely moot now.)
No no, not the 100% thing on Christmas, before that, and before the ADHD thing, it was something in the New York board that triggered it, not the whole +70, -71 Alps is bored thing. The percentage had decreased to about 30% by that point, but was originally 85.
That was simply because the moderator wanted to screen your posts, most likely because he thought you might be trolling. I don't think there was any specific thing you were actually being punished for. (I personally don't use this tactic because I sort of hate having to approve people's posts, but I understand why other moderators might find it useful.)
Keep in mind that your posts per day was 25 at one time. One day, I had to tell someone else who was countering your posts not to go over the 32 limit (you were already above). You weren't warned for just a single post.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 08:15:26 PM
@Scott fair enough, but I did have one suggestion/question that I'm not sure was worth making a thread on. Should moderated posts in general appear chronologically in a thread at the time they were made visible, because otherwise the post seems to come out of nowhere in the middle of a discussion, out of sync? If for example, someone being moderated submits a comment at 7 am, but for whatever reason it is not "approved" until 7 pm that same day, and in the meantime 10-20 new posts are in that thread, does it make more sense to let it appear before, or after those new posts?
That isn't something we have control over. Unlike social media sites that have teams of programmers, we don't write the code that controls the forum. We just download it from https://www.simplemachines.org/ and install it. SMF doesn't give us the option to change that out of the box, so if we wanted to, we'd have to rewrite the relevant part of it, and that risks breaking something somewhere else in the code. That's a lot of effort for something that usually only affects only a few users a year.
The moderation feature exists on all forums that run SMF. (Long ago I moderated another forum, running phpBB, and it did not have a similar feature.) Of course, each forum's mod team decides whether and when they want to use that feature. I'm sure some don't use it at all, and some use it far more frequently than we do.
In the admin panel, you can set the thresholds of when each moderation category is reached, but I believe we are just using the defaults.
I am not sure which forum software package City-Data uses; it doesn't actually say anywhere on the front page. But I don't think it's SMF. If I had to guess, it's phpBB.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 08:42:36 PM
And those thresholds are:
35=Moderated Posts
90= Muted
100 = Banned
For this forum?
Correct.
One cannot actually issue a permanent ban through the warning interface, only mute the user. Bans are done through the admin panel. Though on the user side the end result is mostly the same (not allowed to post), are there a few key differences between the two. Muted users can view restricted sections of the forum like Fictional while banned users cannot. Also, moderators can issue what are effectively emergency-stop bans by muting a user, since actual bans can only be issued through the admin interface.
I would imagine the reason that the moderation threshold is 35 instead of 33 is because it is the closest multiple of five to 33, and warnings can only be issued in multiples of five points.
Yes, anything above 0.
Used to be that you wouldn't exactly advertise to the rest of the forum that you were being moderated...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 08:42:36 PM
And those thresholds are:
35=Moderated Posts
90= Muted
100 = Banned
For this forum?
Wait this forum has moderation levels? How does one check your moderation level? And what do those numbers mean? I'm very confused, someone explain. Also for post count a day, my average over time is only 6 but on a busy day on the forum where a lot is going on I can hit close to 30. But no regularly.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 09, 2023, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 08, 2023, 08:42:36 PM
And those thresholds are:
35=Moderated Posts
90= Muted
100 = Banned
For this forum?
Wait this forum has moderation levels? How does one check your moderation level? And what do those numbers mean? I'm very confused, someone explain. Also for post count a day, my average over time is only 6 but on a busy day on the forum where a lot is going on I can hit close to 30. But no regularly.
tldr: if you don't know what this is referring to it means your level is 0 and always has been.
When you are issued a formal warning by a mod, they have the option to attach a certain number of points to it, in multiples of 5. These points degrade over time, decreasing by one each day.
1-34 points: watched (does nothing but display a notification to the moderators on each post that the user is watched)
35-89 points: moderated (a moderator must approve posts before they go public)
90-100 points: muted (the user can log in and view the forum normally, but cannot post)
Again, if none of this seems familiar, it just means you've never gotten a warning with points attached. And indeed you have not.
Thanks for clarifying all of it in 1 concise post. I just wish this was stated in the rules page to begin with.
Posting here instead of the 99 thread because I don't want to derail that thread.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 07:28:45 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 10, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
No, 495 is 5 99s.
Oh yeah math.
OMG and I just realized that I-495, the closest main interstate near me, spells out "DIE" when you convert to the alphabet. And, even just the abbreviation "L.I.E" makes it seem like a big LIE! Now I'm certain there's a conspiracy going on.
You should just join qAnon. That would be a good fit for you.
I got better things to do than count the same election votes over and over expecting a different result. I can optimize the time in my jobless life much better than those people.
get a job
also get a girlfriend (directed at MMM, not Roadgeekteen)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:20:37 PM
Nah, sex is more harmful than driving.
Proof? That doesn't seem true.
What's more likely to drain your bank account? Traffic Tickets? Or your wife in a divorce?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:24:17 PM
What's more likely to drain your bank account? Traffic Tickets? Or your wife in a divorce?
How old are you MMM?
I just turned 23 in November. But if you count the womb time I may technically be 24 by now, not sure.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:20:37 PM
Nah, sex is more harmful than driving.
Proof? That doesn't seem true.
Sex leads to the creation of new life, which eventually leads to another death... Fatal outcome of life is unavoidable...
Quote from: kalvado on February 10, 2023, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:20:37 PM
Nah, sex is more harmful than driving.
Proof? That doesn't seem true.
Sex leads to the creation of new life, which eventually leads to another death... Fatal outcome of life is unavoidable...
And to be frank it is kind of selfish to force yet another human to exist in the shitty world conditions we have now. By 2060, Earth will reach its maximum capacity, and by that point nature will level off the number whether we like it or not. And given the choice of Abstinence/Nature, nature will do it in much more nasty ways than abstinence, so guess which one I prefer.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:26:18 PM
I just turned 23 in November. But if you count the womb time I may technically be 24 by now, not sure.
You're 23? WTF I thought you were 13! 23 year olds are full grown adults with jobs.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:26:18 PM
I just turned 23 in November. But if you count the womb time I may technically be 24 by now, not sure.
You're 23? WTF I thought you were 13! 23 year olds are full grown adults with jobs.
That's a very modern thing. My dad didn't start working until 24. I wanted my summers free during high school, and frankly it's been surprising how many teens have jobs, child labor should be banned. Now going back in time I would have gotten a job instead of going to college at 17, but I still have at least $25,000 in savings and live at home so there's no rush. I can afford to Cherrypick the most pleasant/suitable hours job possible. Besides I just finished college last June, so big effin deal if I took a year off in between. I mean if you can't even rent a hotel room, gamble, buy weed, or drive a truck until you are 21, why should you have to work before then? It's ridiculous that out of all our absurdly high age limits for very basic privileges, working is one of the lowest (14). Teens that young shouldn't have to work, especially if still in school, that's my rant on this topic.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:26:18 PM
I just turned 23 in November. But if you count the womb time I may technically be 24 by now, not sure.
You're 23? WTF I thought you were 13! 23 year olds are full grown adults with jobs.
That's a very modern thing. My dad didn't start working until 24. I wanted my summers free during high school, and frankly it's been surprising how many teens have jobs, child labor should be banned. Now going back in time I would have gotten a job instead of going to college at 17, but I still have at least $25,000 in savings and live at home so there's no rush. I can afford to Cherrypick the most pleasant/suitable hours job possible. Besides I just finished college last June, so big effin deal if I took a year off in between. I mean if you can't even rent a hotel room, gamble, buy weed, or drive a truck until you are 21, why should you have to work before then? It's ridiculous that out of all our absurdly high age limits for very basic privileges, working is one of the lowest (14). Teens that young shouldn't have to work, especially if still in school, that's my rant on this topic.
Many teens don't have to work, they just want money to buy things.
I'll have to message some of my cousins who worked on a farm as kids. I'm sure they'll be totally in agreement that it is normal to start working at 24 years of age.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 08:26:18 PM
I just turned 23 in November. But if you count the womb time I may technically be 24 by now, not sure.
You're 23? WTF I thought you were 13! 23 year olds are full grown adults with jobs.
That's a very modern thing. My dad didn't start working until 24. I wanted my summers free during high school, and frankly it's been surprising how many teens have jobs, child labor should be banned. Now going back in time I would have gotten a job instead of going to college at 17, but I still have at least $25,000 in savings and live at home so there's no rush. I can afford to Cherrypick the most pleasant/suitable hours job possible. Besides I just finished college last June, so big effin deal if I took a year off in between. I mean if you can't even rent a hotel room, gamble, buy weed, or drive a truck until you are 21, why should you have to work before then? It's ridiculous that out of all our absurdly high age limits for very basic privileges, working is one of the lowest (14). Teens that young shouldn't have to work, especially if still in school, that's my rant on this topic.
Many teens don't have to work, they just want money to buy things.
Most people want more money and less work. Ideally lots of money and no work. It's just that money don't grow on trees for most of us (apple farmers may have a different opinion, though)
You probably wouldn't like what my Dad had to say to me when I told him that he should give me money before I was 18 (he was paid in the 5% scale you site).
Also, what is your definition of a "hardcore" pre-adult job? I worked for a garage part time once I had my license. I did general shop labor, sometimes helped work on cars and was the guy who was often sent out to Slim Jim car locks or install spare tires.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 09:05:44 PM"principle" of "earning it".
That's exactly what you are missing.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 10, 2023, 09:09:41 PM
You probably wouldn't like what my Dad had to say to me when I told him that he should give me money before I was 18 (he was paid in the 5% scale you site).
Also, what is your definition of a "hardcore" pre-adult job? I worked for a garage part time once I had my license. I did general shop labor, sometimes helped work on cars and was the guy who was often sent out to Slim Jim car locks or install spare tires.
Did he need most of it, or was just one of those "teach responsibility" tough guys? If it's the latter, I've never understood that logic. As for "hard core", if you aren't legally an adult, I would say anything longer than 5 hours per day (assuming you aren't in school at the moment) 6 if you include lunch hour, and anything hard labor/Advanced skills like Computer Programming..etc, unless it pays really high, and anything absurdly early (teens need 10 hours of sleep), like starting before 10 am, at least for people in that age group.
Actually working in a qualified labor place is a good way to get some advanced skills. I still benefit from the electronics skills I learned back in teenage days that way. I bet Max would say something similar about car skills...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 10, 2023, 09:09:41 PM
You probably wouldn't like what my Dad had to say to me when I told him that he should give me money before I was 18 (he was paid in the 5% scale you site).
Also, what is your definition of a "hardcore" pre-adult job? I worked for a garage part time once I had my license. I did general shop labor, sometimes helped work on cars and was the guy who was often sent out to Slim Jim car locks or install spare tires.
Did he need most of it, or was just one of those "teach responsibility" tough guys? If it's the latter, I've never understood that logic. As for "hard core", if you aren't legally an adult, I would say anything longer than 5 hours per day (assuming you aren't in school at the moment) 6 if you include lunch hour, and anything hard labor/Advanced skills like Computer Programming..etc, unless it pays really high, and anything absurdly early (teens need 10 hours of sleep), like starting before 10 am, at least for people in that age group.
Many HS students work over the summer. No school then.
I think it says a lot about MMM that my household doesn't even exist according to his chart.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 10, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
It's pretty funny that I don't even exist according to MMM's chart.
Well since people making below $50,000 are likely financially struggling, they may just not have money to "go around". But if you're making high-multiple six figures a year, it won't hurt to give your kids $20,000 or $30,000 a year so they have a good 6 figures in their bank account to start out with (and that's not even really enough to live on without working these days anyway). I think most people would rather have an easier lifestyle than the "pride" of knowing you worked your ass off for a basic living.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 10, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
I think it says a lot about MMM that my household doesn't even exist according to his chart.
More like he thinks you're not entitled to have kids.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2023, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 10, 2023, 09:09:41 PM
You probably wouldn't like what my Dad had to say to me when I told him that he should give me money before I was 18 (he was paid in the 5% scale you site).
Also, what is your definition of a "hardcore" pre-adult job? I worked for a garage part time once I had my license. I did general shop labor, sometimes helped work on cars and was the guy who was often sent out to Slim Jim car locks or install spare tires.
Did he need most of it, or was just one of those "teach responsibility" tough guys? If it's the latter, I've never understood that logic. As for "hard core", if you aren't legally an adult, I would say anything longer than 5 hours per day (assuming you aren't in school at the moment) 6 if you include lunch hour, and anything hard labor/Advanced skills like Computer Programming..etc, unless it pays really high, and anything absurdly early (teens need 10 hours of sleep), like starting before 10 am, at least for people in that age group.
Many HS students work over the summer. No school then.
High school is their main job. It's harder than working on many levels (aside from the no lay aspect). I can personally confirm college was easier, and the individual components of high school, and state prison, can appear very similar. So I consider any teen who also works in the summer as working overtime (except without overtime pay because obviously there's no pay in school). And with the extreme economic ageism, like making people under 25 pay exorbant amounts for car insurance for example, only increase the need for mandatory minimum percentages like in my chart. Yet ironically, there were a couple driving jobs I was looking into recently that had a 25+ age requirement. Flaming hypocrisy, if I can't even work certain jobs until 25, what the fuck is the justification for charging double insurance for 18-25 year olds (even with a perfect driving record).
Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
Quote from: kalvado on February 10, 2023, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 10, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
I think it says a lot about MMM that my household doesn't even exist according to his chart.
More like he thinks you're not entitled to have kids.
You aren't. I have never felt reproduction was a fundamental human right. Consensual and Safe sexual pleasure? Sure, but just creating new life cause you feel like it? Nah. And for the same reason, I think children should have a say in whether their parents have further kids or not, as that will obviously affect their lifestyle as well. The same reason genetically related people don't have a right to have kids (cause of the potential birth defects they'd be imposing) what's the difference with extreme poverty, or other bad life circumstances (not trying to offend anyone, am saying for the offspring sake only)
Quote from: vdeane on February 10, 2023, 10:02:06 PM
Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
Why should one be deprived of a potential advantage just because others think it is unfair. This "I suffered so you should too" is the most irrational mindset I have seen in this country. Do we say that about powerball jackpot winners? And compulsory service requirements? Talk about fascist work ethic LOL. If I worked hard my whole life and had kids, I would want to spare them from that, not put them through the same thing. I'd be happy that they were luckier than me. And who says all rich people don't want to work? I recently read something that someone who won a secondary lottery prize which was still several million, still intended to finish med school and become a doctor, so wanting a stable bank account doesn't make one "spoiled".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 10, 2023, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 10, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
I think it says a lot about MMM that my household doesn't even exist according to his chart.
More like he thinks you're not entitled to have kids.
You aren't. I have never felt reproduction was a fundamental human right. Consensual and Safe sexual pleasure? Sure, but just creating new life cause you feel like it? Nah. And for the same reason, I think children should have a say in whether their parents have further kids or not, as that will obviously affect their lifestyle as well. The same reason genetically related people don't have a right to have kids (cause of the potential birth defects they'd be imposing) what's the difference with extreme poverty, or other bad life circumstances (not trying to offend anyone, am saying for the offspring sake only)
You're like a hop, skip, and a jump away from eugenics with this, you know.
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
I mean, if you say there should be an minimum income level to be able to have kids, that's saying that rich people's genes deserve to be perpetuated and poor people's don't. Which certainly appears to be a form of eugenics to me.
I dunno about New York State, but in Washington there are rules about both the hours and times of day persons under 18 are allowed to work, while they are in school. At the time it was my job as a lead to enforce it, in those unusual situations in which we hired an undergraduate under 18 to work in the library. I think it was something like no more 10 hours a week and not later than 7 PM Monday through Thursday. (Reasonable for high school, less reasonable for a college where some students had no classes or classes that started late on some days or did have classes on Saturdays.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 10, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
I think it says a lot about MMM that my household doesn't even exist according to his chart.
Our household is roughly the same range my Dad was in by himself during the mid-1990s. Factoring inflation that really kills me sometimes that he was making that kind of money. He certainly never ended up saving much of it, or didn't know how to invest in the slightest.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
Eugenics after Nazism should be one of those things discarded to the dustbin of history. Really it should have been discarded long before Nazism was even a thing.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 10, 2023, 10:22:23 PM
I mean, if you say there should be an minimum income level to be able to have kids, that's saying that rich people's genes deserve to be perpetuated and poor people's don't. Which certainly appears to be a form of eugenics to me.
Not saying it should be illegal for people under X Y Z circumstances to have kids, just that it's not a fundamental human right. Foster kids on the other hand, have a right to get adopted, which is much more sensible than reproduction anyway.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:57:46 PM
Not saying it should be illegal for people under X Y Z circumstances to have kids, just that it's not a fundamental human right.
The United Nations disagrees with you.
Quote from: Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:04:32 PM
You know what's funny, the US is now the only country in the UN to not ratify the Child Rights Convention. So it's absurdly disturbing that the thing you have such a fundamental right to make, doesn't end up even having as many fundamental rights. Sickening.
And how is promoting facets of Eugenics not disturbing?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:04:32 PM
You know what's funny, the US is now the only country in the UN to not ratify the Child Rights Convention. So it's absurdly disturbing that the thing you have such a fundamental right to make, doesn't end up even having as many fundamental rights. Sickening.
Address this first. Even facets of Eugenics (which I don't support) are not as hypocritical as having the right to make a human that doesn't even end up having the same rights (in the US at least).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:04:32 PM
You know what's funny, the US is now the only country in the UN to not ratify the Child Rights Convention. So it's absurdly disturbing that the thing you have such a fundamental right to make, doesn't end up even having as many fundamental rights. Sickening.
Address this first. Even facets of Eugenics (which I don't support) are not as hypocritical as having the right to make a human that doesn't even end up having the same rights (in the US at least).
Eugenics had it's day and it led to things like Nazism. Seems straightforward to me that it isn't worth revisiting. It was a deeply flawed belief system that was inevitably going to lead to atrocities.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:04:32 PM
You know what's funny, the US is now the only country in the UN to not ratify the Child Rights Convention. So it's absurdly disturbing that the thing you have such a fundamental right to make, doesn't end up even having as many fundamental rights. Sickening.
Address this first.
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The atrocity is that we are the only developed country that can't agree to having a basic, universal bill of rights for kids (like the UNCRC), yet aggressively profess our "right" to create as many of them as we want. Reproduction is not needed to personally survive.
For example, courts worry more about the 2 minutes of pain a serial killer might feel being executed, but yet corporal punishment of kids is legal of half the states. Just this lack of children's rights alone is a direct argument against the "right" to reproduce, even without considering the fact that you don't absolutely "need" to have kids.
And how is any of what you describe making Eugenics okay by proxy?
I've said about 5 times by now it doesn't, but it's laughable how people can claim that someone saying "hey you shouldn't really have 5 kids you can't afford" is infringing on their rights, when the persons you intend to create wont even have all of the universal rights for 18 years. I feel the same way about organ donation, it should be universal, or at least opt-out instead of opt in (I registered a year ago), the rights of people who do exist trump the rights of people who no longer, or do not yet, exist.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
You're the one promoting this.
If there was a scientific way to remove a gene that would prevent your baby from being paralyzed, an amputee, or have a degenerative neurological condition that would kill the child by age 5, who the hell wouldn't opt for that? The "Eugenics war" or how its portrayed in science fiction anyway, is about crap like optimizing the IQ of the population or weeding out people without certain skills/strength..etc. What I stated is basic medical care, and I don't care how closely those words resemble anything else you imagine. If one has a brain one can disguinguish the two. People can find a million ways to associate anything with Fascism or Nazi-Germany, that is a fallacy and doesn't make it not a valid point.
Whatevs, you're the one promoting beliefs which would align with Nazism. If that sits well with you, that's on you. Real life isn't Star Trek, shame you seem incapable of recognizing that.
Can we maybe cool it and focus on something more mundane before I have to start deleting posts or issuing warnings or whatever?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 12:55:22 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 11:47:52 PM
I had a feeling it would come to that, so totally fine with me.
MMM, you're probably one outbreak away from being banned. I'm not a mod so I wouldn't know for sure but I would guess so.
You're not a mod, so it's not your place to say any of that.
I'm shocked that this thread has survived so long without getting locked, given that this seems to be one users personal sandbox. I feel like if I created "The universe according to Roadgeekteen" it would be locked within 5 pages.
The FritzOwl thread is one user's personal sandbox too. And this thread exists for the same reason that one does.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 03:30:29 AM
The FritzOwl thread is one user's personal sandbox too. And this thread exists for the same reason that one does.
At least FritzOwl is posting road related content that is relevent to the forum. This thread is just pointless rambling and usless conversations.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 03:30:29 AM
The FritzOwl thread is one user's personal sandbox too. And this thread exists for the same reason that one does.
At least FritzOwl is posting road related content that is relevent to the forum. This thread is just pointless rambling and usless conversations.
I mean, I can't say my personal sandbox is exactly road-related either (though it's meant to represent a road network). As for useless conversations, isn't that the whole point of the forum?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 11, 2023, 04:29:47 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 03:30:29 AM
The FritzOwl thread is one user's personal sandbox too. And this thread exists for the same reason that one does.
At least FritzOwl is posting road related content that is relevent to the forum. This thread is just pointless rambling and usless conversations.
I mean, I can't say my personal sandbox is exactly road-related either (though it's meant to represent a road network). As for useless conversations, isn't that the whole point of the forum?
This thread doesn't technically break the rules, so I'm fine with it existing. I'm just suprised that it has lasted over 30 pages without getting locked.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 04:48:06 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 11, 2023, 04:29:47 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 03:30:29 AM
The FritzOwl thread is one user's personal sandbox too. And this thread exists for the same reason that one does.
At least FritzOwl is posting road related content that is relevent to the forum. This thread is just pointless rambling and usless conversations.
I mean, I can't say my personal sandbox is exactly road-related either (though it's meant to represent a road network). As for useless conversations, isn't that the whole point of the forum?
This thread doesn't technically break the rules, so I'm fine with it existing. I'm just suprised that it has lasted over 30 pages without getting locked.
And if you weren't fine with it existing, what would happen, exactly?
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 05:24:51 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 04:48:06 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 11, 2023, 04:29:47 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 03:30:29 AM
The FritzOwl thread is one user's personal sandbox too. And this thread exists for the same reason that one does.
At least FritzOwl is posting road related content that is relevent to the forum. This thread is just pointless rambling and usless conversations.
I mean, I can't say my personal sandbox is exactly road-related either (though it's meant to represent a road network). As for useless conversations, isn't that the whole point of the forum?
This thread doesn't technically break the rules, so I'm fine with it existing. I'm just suprised that it has lasted over 30 pages without getting locked.
And if you weren't fine with it existing, what would happen, exactly?
Nothing cuz I'm not a mod lol. Although I could bitch about it more.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:26:18 AM
Nothing cuz I'm not a mod lol. Although I could bitch about it more.
So I suppose this falls under
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 03:42:18 AM
just pointless rambling and usless conversations.
doesn't it?
Quote from: vdeane on February 10, 2023, 10:02:06 PM
Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
There is a birth lottery wether you like it or not. It's about money, it's about family role models, health, citizenship and what not.
What MMM wants here is parent's support extending past the childhood into the years when building up of career foundation - skills, connections, work ethics - should happen.
Would be interesting to see what his education really is - something real world, or something that provides little benefit beyond clicking the "college degree" checkbox.
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
One thing you can certainly say is that MMM's opinions certainly are his own. To an extent I can respect when someone has drawn conclusions which are all over the board and don't adhere traditional ideologies. But yes, the contradiction you mention is what caught my eye last night.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
One thing you can certainly say is that MMM's opinions certainly are his own. To an extent I can respect when someone has drawn conclusions which are all over the board and don't adhere traditional ideologies. But yes, the contradiction you mention is what caught my eye last night.
conclusions on their own is a great thing if there is an underlying reasoning. Here it is more about "that is the way I want it to be for me!"
Of course, I also want to have lots of money, no work, and ipads growing on trees. I am slightly more realistic, so I may dial down my expectations - I want my job to be interesting and well-paid.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
Being fearful of military service definitely seems on brand for you. That said, I believe the suggestions cited in the prior replies were more along the lines of mandatory community services.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
I agree with your sentiment, forced service is fascism, but then you suggest something that is just as fascist.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
Being fearful of military service definitely seems on brand for you. That said, I believe the suggestions cited in the prior replies were more along the lines of mandatory community services.
Thats only legal if you commit a crime.
@SectorZ no I didnt.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 12:47:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
Being fearful of military service definitely seems on brand for you. That said, I believe the suggestions cited in the prior replies were more along the lines of mandatory community services.
Thats only legal if you commit a crime.
@SectorZ no I didnt.
Oh, but you did:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
Deleting harmful mental illness/physical fitness genes is very much on brand with traditional fascist beliefs. It's a very quick leap from that to "deleting people" who are alive over what is deemed to be "harmful genes."
To be clear, I'm not insinuating that you are promoting "deleting people." What I am saying is that you fail to recognize how universally reviled Eugenics became after it was horrifically abused by several governments. You might be optimistic another state or individuals wouldn't abuse genetic manipulation again but almost nobody with a healthy world view agrees.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
Deleting harmful mental illness/physical fitness genes is very much on brand with traditional fascist beliefs.
On the other hand, there are definitely legitimate medical services to test an unborn child for certain problems, and that can be the reason for abortion.
Down syndrome is one such test. Osteogenesis imperfect is another one, especially if parents have those disorders themselves. There is probably more.
The purpose of those tests is not to ban a woman from having kids, but to give her another chance to give birth to a healthy kid.
It is a delicate question, sure, but many parents don't want their kids to inherit their health problems.
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Some of these things are good ideas, but adulthood begins at 18, not 21.
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
Deleting harmful mental illness/physical fitness genes is very much on brand with traditional fascist beliefs.
On the other hand, there are definitely legitimate medical services to test an unborn child for certain problems, and that can be the reason for abortion.
Down syndrome is one such test. Osteogenesis imperfect is another one, especially if parents have those disorders themselves. There is probably more.
The purpose of those tests is not to ban a woman from having kids, but to give her another chance to give birth to a healthy kid.
It is a delicate question, sure, but many parents don't want their kids to inherit their health problems.
Yes, to be clear I understand the concern in those circumstances is legitimate. I also understand why someone may conclude aborting the pregnancy as being the most viable option.
@roadgeekteen, fine, but then ALL adult privileges should be available at age 18, none should have to wait until 21. Including, drinking, gambling, renting hotel rooms, interstate trucking, accessing/opening a bank account, car insurance rates dropping to normal, running for political positions..etc
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:24:44 PM
@roadgeekteen, fine, but then ALL adult privileges should be available at age 18, none should have to wait until 21. Including, drinking, gambling, renting hotel rooms, interstate trucking, accessing/opening a bank account, car insurance rates dropping to normal, running for political positions..etc
I agree for the most part.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Some of these things are good ideas, but adulthood begins at 18, not 21.
Yep. If you want to insist Adulthood begins at 21, then we should take the right to vote away from children between 18 & 20. And since they're children, it's probably unsafe for them to drive, so take away their ability to drive until they're 21. Maybe take away their ability to access a gun until they're 21 also. That includes hunting. Also, they can't enter into contracts as kids, so they won't be able to own a house or car or rent anything by themselves, so it will be prohibited they live on their own until they're 21. Numbers 9 and 10 should be the opposite: Since they're kids, it's mandatory they remain in school until they're 21. They can't have their own bank account until they're 21 either.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:24:44 PM
@roadgeekteen, fine, but then ALL adult privileges should be available at age 18, none should have to wait until 21. Including, drinking, gambling, renting hotel rooms, interstate trucking, accessing/opening a bank account, car insurance rates dropping to normal, running for political positions..etc
I agree for the most part.
I don't disagree with any of that from the perspective of government authority. However, things like rental car agencies not renting to people under 25 is a private business decision.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 10, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
Eugenics is deliberately desining babies the way you want. I think that's ridiculous. I'm saying the number of babies coming out should be lower, period, certainly not that rich people should be able to choose the gender or hair/eye color of their offspring. Deleting harmful mental illness/physical illness generating genes, sure, but that's it. Nothing beyond that.
Deleting harmful mental illness/physical fitness genes is very much on brand with traditional fascist beliefs.
On the other hand, there are definitely legitimate medical services to test an unborn child for certain problems, and that can be the reason for abortion.
Down syndrome is one such test. Osteogenesis imperfect is another one, especially if parents have those disorders themselves. There is probably more.
The purpose of those tests is not to ban a woman from having kids, but to give her another chance to give birth to a healthy kid.
It is a delicate question, sure, but many parents don't want their kids to inherit their health problems.
Yes, to be clear I understand the concern in those circumstances is legitimate. I also understand why someone may conclude aborting the pregnancy as being the most viable option.
Just a bit of tangential rant about what is good and what is bad.
Once upon a time I happened to be at the talk of a guy from St. Jude. They were using crisper (greatest invention of 21st century, if you ask me) to break certain genes in rats to simulate a certain condition - Troyer syndrome I believe, or something similar.
It is all very scientific, how certain genes affect certain protein synthesis and accumulation... ANd then he shows a video of a cage filled with rats paralyzed below waist and crawling on front paws. Entire audience shocked.
Guy enjoys the view for a moment and then says "shocking, meh? We have a whole department at St. Jude attending kids with such conditions"... I guess dealing with that changes the perception of good and bad...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:24:44 PM
@roadgeekteen, fine, but then ALL adult privileges should be available at age 18, none should have to wait until 21. Including, drinking, gambling, renting hotel rooms, interstate trucking, accessing/opening a bank account, car insurance rates dropping to normal, running for political positions..etc
I agree for the most part.
I don't disagree with any of that from the perspective of government authority. However, things like rental car agencies not renting to people under 25 is a private business decision.
Car Insurance rates as well. Insurance companies look at statistics, and statistics show that people under the age of 25 are more likely to be involved in a crash. If insurance companies were able to connect the dots and looked at social media and forums for things like what MMM writes, his insurance rates would be sky high as he widely documents he is unable to handle curves on highways. That would be where being a troll would bite him in the ass.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Some of these things are good ideas, but adulthood begins at 18, not 21.
Yep. If you want to insist Adulthood begins at 21, then we should take the right to vote away from children between 18 & 20. And since they're children, it's probably unsafe for them to drive, so take away their ability to drive until they're 21. Maybe take away their ability to access a gun until they're 21 also. That includes hunting. Also, they can't enter into contracts as kids, so they won't be able to own a house or car or rent anything by themselves, so it will be prohibited they live on their own until they're 21. Numbers 9 and 10 should be the opposite: Since they're kids, it's mandatory they remain in school until they're 21. They can't have their own bank account until they're 21 either.
It's absurdly hypocritical that society claims kids are too young when they want privileges, but is fine with claiming they are old enough to know what they are doing when society wants to punish them. So they have no rights of an adult, but can get punished as such. My point being that the ages for all rights/privileges should be younger than ages that they could legally be put in jail. And none of what you suggested would help, it would only encourage kids doing those things illegally. If a 14 year old can be charged as an adult for a crime, then they should be able to drive, vote, live alone, enter contracts, gamble, obtain medical care, choose whether to work or be in school..etc, and most of those things you mentioned are already 21, or were only recently lowered to 18, that's the issue.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 01:38:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:24:44 PM
@roadgeekteen, fine, but then ALL adult privileges should be available at age 18, none should have to wait until 21. Including, drinking, gambling, renting hotel rooms, interstate trucking, accessing/opening a bank account, car insurance rates dropping to normal, running for political positions..etc
I agree for the most part.
I don't disagree with any of that from the perspective of government authority. However, things like rental car agencies not renting to people under 25 is a private business decision.
Car Insurance rates as well. Insurance companies look at statistics, and statistics show that people under the age of 25 are more likely to be involved in a crash. If insurance companies were able to connect the dots and looked at social media and forums for things like what MMM writes, his insurance rates would be sky high as he widely documents he is unable to handle curves on highways. That would be where being a troll would bite him in the ass.
Well that would be an extreme 1st amendment violation/breach of privacy/Fascism. The only people that have a right to make a decision about people on social media forums would be the moderators/administrators of that forum. Also, when moving violations bump up insurance rates for example, the offense has to be witnessed by an officer themselves, to be convicted (speed cameras for example don't apply because they don't affect points/insurance). I can post 10x a day that I drive 200 mph everywhere, and that would have no bearing on car insurance, nor could I receive a ticket through the mail for admitting something like that online. And if that happened, we would simply cancel our insurance plans and take our chances of getting pulled over. One private business cannot affect the decisions of another private administration.
Edit: I also want to add that the under 25 = higher crashes is the same flawed logic that's used to set artificially low speed limits on freeways. One age limit I would actually support raising is the alcohol limit, which is more harmful than Marijuana, maybe that should be 25, and I bet there wouldn't be that statistical difference if new drivers didn't drink.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Some of these things are good ideas, but adulthood begins at 18, not 21.
Yep. If you want to insist Adulthood begins at 21, then we should take the right to vote away from children between 18 & 20. And since they're children, it's probably unsafe for them to drive, so take away their ability to drive until they're 21. Maybe take away their ability to access a gun until they're 21 also. That includes hunting. Also, they can't enter into contracts as kids, so they won't be able to own a house or car or rent anything by themselves, so it will be prohibited they live on their own until they're 21. Numbers 9 and 10 should be the opposite: Since they're kids, it's mandatory they remain in school until they're 21. They can't have their own bank account until they're 21 either.
One that always seemed strange to me was that you can enlist in the miliary at 18 but you can't legally drink. Saying the former is okay but the latter isn't doesn't seem to add up.
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
And I don't see how an older person "giving permission" for a younger person to join the military makes it any better.
Artificially high drinking ages in environments where individuals are largely treated as adults (for example, college campuses) leads to more dangerous drinking habits.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Some of these things are good ideas, but adulthood begins at 18, not 21.
Yep. If you want to insist Adulthood begins at 21, then we should take the right to vote away from children between 18 & 20. And since they're children, it's probably unsafe for them to drive, so take away their ability to drive until they're 21. Maybe take away their ability to access a gun until they're 21 also. That includes hunting. Also, they can't enter into contracts as kids, so they won't be able to own a house or car or rent anything by themselves, so it will be prohibited they live on their own until they're 21. Numbers 9 and 10 should be the opposite: Since they're kids, it's mandatory they remain in school until they're 21. They can't have their own bank account until they're 21 either.
One that always seemed strange to me was that you can enlist in the miliary at 18 but you can't legally drink. Saying the former is okay but the latter isn't doesn't seem to add up.
This is probably coming from some health concerns. Alcohol having negative effect on developing body is probably true. 21 is an overkill, sure, but there has to be an age limit. And physical, mental, legal, and reproductive adulthood are not necessarily the same age.
But military service doesn't?!
If the brain doesn't finish developing until, say, 25, then there's no way one can say "7 is the age of reason" when it comes to knowing right from wrong, and use that to justify giving a 7 yr old a criminal record in the legal system. And if 7 was the age of reason, then why do they think a 17 year old isn't reasonable enough to decide how to spend $2 on a lottery ticket or not.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:58:40 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 01:38:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:24:44 PM
@roadgeekteen, fine, but then ALL adult privileges should be available at age 18, none should have to wait until 21. Including, drinking, gambling, renting hotel rooms, interstate trucking, accessing/opening a bank account, car insurance rates dropping to normal, running for political positions..etc
I agree for the most part.
I don't disagree with any of that from the perspective of government authority. However, things like rental car agencies not renting to people under 25 is a private business decision.
Car Insurance rates as well. Insurance companies look at statistics, and statistics show that people under the age of 25 are more likely to be involved in a crash. If insurance companies were able to connect the dots and looked at social media and forums for things like what MMM writes, his insurance rates would be sky high as he widely documents he is unable to handle curves on highways. That would be where being a troll would bite him in the ass.
Well that would be an extreme 1st amendment violation/breach of privacy/Fascism.
I find it hilarious that you're citing the Bill of Rights despite most of your other ideas going against the Bill of Rights.
What did I say that goes against the bill of rights?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it's important.
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
Alright, how about this: A universal bill of rights specifically for people under the age of 21:
1. Ratification of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child in the US.
2. Minimum age of adult criminal responsibility set at age 21 without exceptions
3. Child Marriage Banned (its just a legalized excuse to get around age of consent laws)
4.Remove the requirement for parental consent/minimum age limits to receive (or refuse) medical care/psychiatric treatment/contraception/prescription medication/surgery (too many states have laws that allow parents to refuse kids medical care against their will for personal belief/religious reasons)
5. Criminalize Corporal Punishment of children/minors, classifying it as felony/misdemeanor assault just as one would be charged for doing the same thing to an adult.
6. Mandate that all scheduling in society, in terms of work/school...etc, the ability to get full night sleeps is prioritized for people under the age of 21, due to the increased need for sleep for continuing brain development. In other words, companies would be required to give hour preferences to people under the age of 21 under the law.
7. Make any form of Child Abuse, not just sexual, a non-expungeable criminal offense on people's permanent records.
8. Ban cousin marriage, it's unbelievable that it is still allowed in some states, it's extremely selfish to risk genetic problems in offspring at any level that are avoidable. Things like drinking while pregnant should also be criminalized.
9. Lower the minimum compulsory education requirement to 10th grade, with the exception of math and science, and the high school drop out age from 16 to 15.
10. Enshrine a mandatory minimum family financial support statute, similar to the chart I posted earlier, into federal law, and lower the minimum age to access a custodial bank account from 21 to 15.
Some of these things are good ideas, but adulthood begins at 18, not 21.
Yep. If you want to insist Adulthood begins at 21, then we should take the right to vote away from children between 18 & 20. And since they're children, it's probably unsafe for them to drive, so take away their ability to drive until they're 21. Maybe take away their ability to access a gun until they're 21 also. That includes hunting. Also, they can't enter into contracts as kids, so they won't be able to own a house or car or rent anything by themselves, so it will be prohibited they live on their own until they're 21. Numbers 9 and 10 should be the opposite: Since they're kids, it's mandatory they remain in school until they're 21. They can't have their own bank account until they're 21 either.
One that always seemed strange to me was that you can enlist in the miliary at 18 but you can't legally drink. Saying the former is okay but the latter isn't doesn't seem to add up.
This is probably coming from some health concerns. Alcohol having negative effect on developing body is probably true. 21 is an overkill, sure, but there has to be an age limit. And physical, mental, legal, and reproductive adulthood are not necessarily the same age.
I get all that, especially with the argument the the brain is still developing. That said, if you're enlisted the chances are you are going to be consuming copious amounts of alcohol as soon as you get out boot camp. Young enough to serve (possibly die for your country), but not young enough to legally drink seems like a misnomer.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:36:51 PM
But military service doesn't?!
Usually depends on what your occupation is in the military and if you see deployment in a forward operating position. The guy working at the Pass & ID building is probably not coming away with many injuries compared to someone in the Infantry.
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it's important.
We never get to hold it anymore. It's Direct Deposited and then spent from Debit Card.
We used to have a checkbook where we saw our balances so we based our spending habits around what we have. Nowadays we don't know what we have until we use our bank app after we spent two bucks on the coffee we see at the gas pump which is too late and beyond the point to pace ourselves.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:36:51 PM
But military service doesn't?!
Usually depends on what your occupation is in the military and if you see deployment in a forward operating position. The guy working at the Pass & ID building is probably not coming away with many injuries compared to someone in the Infantry.
Forget even the position itself, but just the heavy training, sleep deprivation, rigorous exercise..etc, isn't damaging to a 16-18 year old?
Military benefit from cannon fodder being mentally immature. It's hard to convince responsible adults that doing pom-pom on other people is a good thing. Heavy training and sleep deprivation are on the same page as ways to reduce critical thinking.
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it's important.
Citation needed. And if that's the case how does the justify military service being the same age, or the working age being as low as 14. It seems we lower the age limits when we want to punish/use children for our benefit(like the army), but want to raise them when we fear they may get a shred of independence or too much authority. Why is the age of consent as low as 16? Isn't pregnancy/HIV potentially much more life ruining than drinking/buying powerball?
Maybe you should enlist. It would help you out tremendously. You might learn discipline.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:36:51 PM
But military service doesn't?!
Usually depends on what your occupation is in the military and if you see deployment in a forward operating position. The guy working at the Pass & ID building is probably not coming away with many injuries compared to someone in the Infantry.
Forget even the position itself, but just the heavy training, sleep deprivation, rigorous exercise..etc, isn't damaging to a 16-18 year old?
How so? Military boot camp isn't any worse physically than playing a contact sport in high school. Most people don't come out of boot camp in some level of phenomenal physical physique. You might be overestimating the difficultly by a considerable margin.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it's important.
We never get to hold it anymore. It's Direct Deposited and then spent from Debit Card.
We used to have a checkbook where we saw our balances so we based our spending habits around what we have. Nowadays we don't know what we have until we use our bank app after we spent two bucks on the coffee we see at the gas pump which is too late and beyond the point to pace ourselves.
I certainly made an effort in keeping things accounted to a few cents for a while - just to make sure I know how to control my spending. Bank app makes things way easier than trying to recall how much I paid for that sandwich in downtown yesterday.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
Maybe you should enlist. It would help you out tremendously. You might learn discipline.
Nah, I want to get paid for my work when I have a job.
Oh it has its benefits, but subconsciously you still become overconfident and don't really see like you did in the day. You used to withdrawal a certain amount and while you had the cash you would do the math in your head to see how you can stretch it out and you sure didn't impulse buy as much.
^^^max
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:10:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
Maybe you should enlist. It would help you out tremendously. You might learn discipline.
Nah, I want to get paid for my work when I have a job.
You'll be waiting a long time.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it's important.
We never get to hold it anymore. It's Direct Deposited and then spent from Debit Card.
We used to have a checkbook where we saw our balances so we based our spending habits around what we have. Nowadays we don't know what we have until we use our bank app after we spent two bucks on the coffee we see at the gas pump which is too late and beyond the point to pace ourselves.
That's not an excuse. Budgeting is as easy as recording a number in a spreadsheet each time you receive money or make a purchase.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:10:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
Maybe you should enlist. It would help you out tremendously. You might learn discipline.
Nah, I want to get paid for my work when I have a job.
How many times did you send your resume to prospective employers?
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it’s important.
We never get to hold it anymore. It’s Direct Deposited and then spent from Debit Card.
We used to have a checkbook where we saw our balances so we based our spending habits around what we have. Nowadays we don’t know what we have until we use our bank app after we spent two bucks on the coffee we see at the gas pump which is too late and beyond the point to pace ourselves.
That’s not an excuse. Budgeting is as easy as recording a number in a spreadsheet each time you receive money or make a purchase.
But people aren’t doing that. People carelessly spend.
Even when you see the numbers and comprehend them, it’s still not as comprehending as when you see it in cash form.
Your subconscious mind does things to you that we fail to realize.
That’s why in sales I had to use certain words in a sentence in a certain voice tone. My way may be the same, but to a customer it can make or break the sale. The subconscious mind reacts always.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:10:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
Maybe you should enlist. It would help you out tremendously. You might learn discipline.
Nah, I want to get paid for my work when I have a job.
Are you even aware that housing allowances and food allowances aren't counted as income for military members? You can make a pretty decent living getting out high school by enlisting if you stay single and don't rush into having kids (trouble is a lot don't). Let's not forget about things like the GI Bill, most people I know who went into the military did so to take advantage of that benefit. Hell, if you make E6 you can go for a twenty-year retirement pension.
Quote from: Bruce on February 11, 2023, 03:16:02 PM
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Hot topic today.
This guy loves to argue with people hence his high post count that Scott has to monitor and Max occasionally points out.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:21:05 PM
I don't have a completed resume, actually I think I have one online on a job site, but the 6-8 that I've looked at so far didn't really require one. I may just apply to Sanitation, the advertised salary was $1200-$2000/week, and no CDL required.
And do you really think I would have an issue with not having kids? :nod:
I'm just saying a lot of military members rush into having kids and getting married. A lot see it as a short term way to get out barracks housing. It often comes back to haunt them if they don't make rank and get kicked out at 14 years.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:43:39 PM
I agree with that.
@roadman literally every person posting in this thread has a higher post count than me. And personally, I take offense to being a "Turnpike", fuck tolls. I request my post count be locked at the highest prime number under 1500.
You've posted an average of 15 times per day. All of us have been on the forum for 5-13 years before you joined.
Getting privileges gradually as you age is a good thing. Going from a legal infant to a full adult at one arbitrary birthday would be a terrible idea.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:04:46 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 02:08:12 PM
That's actually as low as 16 in some states with "Parental Consent", yet you can't even buy a $2 lottery ticket until 18.
Teenagers are awful with money. Many adults are too, but adults at least understand the concept of money and why it's important.
Citation needed.
You don't cite anything for any of your wild claims. Why do you expect me to do so?
Quote from: kkt on February 11, 2023, 04:22:01 PM
Getting privileges gradually as you age is a good thing. Going from a legal infant to a full adult at one arbitrary birthday would be a terrible idea.
I agree to an extent, but I do think that the drinking age should be 18 just like how it is in much of Canada and europe.
Quote from: kkt on February 11, 2023, 04:22:01 PM
Getting privileges gradually as you age is a good thing. Going from a legal infant to a full adult at one arbitrary birthday would be a terrible idea.
And the most harmful ones, like going to jail and joining the military, should be last.
Mr. Gambini: It appears to me, that you want to skip the arraignment, go right to trial, then skip that for an acquittal.
It seems like some want to do that with coming of adult too.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 11, 2023, 04:22:01 PM
Getting privileges gradually as you age is a good thing. Going from a legal infant to a full adult at one arbitrary birthday would be a terrible idea.
And the most harmful ones, like going to jail and joining the military, should be last.
OK, you have a confusing view on jail. Should minors be tried as adults? I don't think so. But a 16 year old should know not to go out and murder 3 people. That's why teens can be charged with murder. Because at a certain age, a teenager should very well know that murder is not ok. Teens are old and strong enough to be dangers to society.
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 10, 2023, 10:02:06 PM
Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
There is a birth lottery wether you like it or not. It's about money, it's about family role models, health, citizenship and what not.
What MMM wants here is parent's support extending past the childhood into the years when building up of career foundation - skills, connections, work ethics - should happen.
Would be interesting to see what his education really is - something real world, or something that provides little benefit beyond clicking the "college degree" checkbox.
Historically, we have tried to minimize it with policies like having public schools, making schooling mandatory, welfare, estate taxes, etc. Sadly we seem to be moving away from that and towards more inequality. Let's appreciate how hypocritical MMM is for ranting about how his generation is poor on one hand but then wanting kids to be supported off their rich parents!
Parents lending connections to their kids sounds a lot like nepotism to me, and if we did that, how is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to get anywhere?
Let's face it - the only reason MMM has time to spam the forum is because he's bumming off his parents instead of getting a job, and he's not getting a job because he feels work is "too hard". And given that he described high school as harder than college, I would not at all be surprised if his degree is more along the lines of getting something just to say they have a degree rather than something that gives real-world skills.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
Being fearful of military service definitely seems on brand for you. That said, I believe the suggestions cited in the prior replies were more along the lines of mandatory community services.
Yes, exactly, community services, specifically with the aim of bringing people together and bridging the gap between urban and rural areas. The biggest problem we have as a country right now is that we morally and culturally aren't one country, rather two, and those two countries are moving further and further apart. It's to the point where I don't see us surviving as a free society. Abraham Lincoln put it best:
"'A house divided against itself cannot stand.' I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved–I do not expect the house to fall–but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."
We are currently a house divided against itself, and unless something radically changes, we will cease to be divided by one side imposing their worldview by force on the other. Exposing everyone to both urban and rural environments and the people within them would go a long way to healing our divisions.
Quote from: vdeane on February 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 10, 2023, 10:02:06 PM
Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
There is a birth lottery wether you like it or not. It's about money, it's about family role models, health, citizenship and what not.
What MMM wants here is parent's support extending past the childhood into the years when building up of career foundation - skills, connections, work ethics - should happen.
Would be interesting to see what his education really is - something real world, or something that provides little benefit beyond clicking the "college degree" checkbox.
Historically, we have tried to minimize it with policies like having public schools, making schooling mandatory, welfare, estate taxes, etc. Sadly we seem to be moving away from that and towards more inequality. Let's appreciate how hypocritical MMM is for ranting about how his generation is poor on one hand but then wanting kids to be supported off their rich parents!
Parents lending connections to their kids sounds a lot like nepotism to me, and if we did that, how is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to get anywhere?
Let's face it - the only reason MMM has time to spam the forum is because he's bumming off his parents instead of getting a job, and he's not getting a job because he feels work is "too hard". And given that he described high school as harder than college, I would not at all be surprised if his degree is more along the lines of getting something just to say they have a degree rather than something that gives real-world skills.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 11, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Just perusing the last two pages, I can't understand how someone can call a service requirement fascist and then simultaneously say humans don't have a right to reproduce. You cannot be more contradictory than that.
And how exactly would this mandatory service requirement be implemented/enforced? Thank God Canada is only a 350 mile drive away if that ever happened.
Being fearful of military service definitely seems on brand for you. That said, I believe the suggestions cited in the prior replies were more along the lines of mandatory community services.
Yes, exactly, community services, specifically with the aim of bringing people together and bridging the gap between urban and rural areas. The biggest problem we have as a country right now is that we morally and culturally aren't one country, rather two, and those two countries are moving further and further apart. It's to the point where I don't see us surviving as a free society. Abraham Lincoln put it best:
"'A house divided against itself cannot stand.' I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved–I do not expect the house to fall–but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."
We are currently a house divided against itself, and unless something radically changes, we will cease to be divided by one side imposing their worldview by force on the other. Exposing everyone to both urban and rural environments and the people within them would go a long way to healing our divisions.
You're right about that one as elections every four years are getting more and more and more heated.
Quote from: vdeane on February 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 10, 2023, 10:02:06 PM
Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
There is a birth lottery wether you like it or not. It's about money, it's about family role models, health, citizenship and what not.
What MMM wants here is parent's support extending past the childhood into the years when building up of career foundation - skills, connections, work ethics - should happen.
Would be interesting to see what his education really is - something real world, or something that provides little benefit beyond clicking the "college degree" checkbox.
Historically, we have tried to minimize it with policies like having public schools, making schooling mandatory, welfare, estate taxes, etc. Sadly we seem to be moving away from that and towards more inequality. Let's appreciate how hypocritical MMM is for ranting about how his generation is poor on one hand but then wanting kids to be supported off their rich parents!
Parents lending connections to their kids sounds a lot like nepotism to me, and if we did that, how is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to get anywhere?
Let's face it - the only reason MMM has time to spam the forum is because he's bumming off his parents instead of getting a job, and he's not getting a job because he feels work is "too hard". And given that he described high school as harder than college, I would not at all be surprised if his degree is more along the lines of getting something just to say they have a degree rather than something that gives real-world skills.
Well, there is definitely an attempt to help those who are not getting much from the family. Now can you limit what those better off can do for their kids? Moving to a better school district? Showing an example of lowing and hard-working family? Those are non-monetary, but highly valuable things parents can provide.
Connections... I would say there is a way to use connections as opposed to abusing them. You cannot eliminate that. FOr example, knowing about a good job opening may make a big difference. Staying on that job due to connections? That's too much..
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 11, 2023, 04:22:01 PM
Getting privileges gradually as you age is a good thing. Going from a legal infant to a full adult at one arbitrary birthday would be a terrible idea.
And the most harmful ones, like going to jail and joining the military, should be last.
OK, you have a confusing view on jail. Should minors be tried as adults? I don't think so. But a 16 year old should know not to go out and murder 3 people. That's why teens can be charged with murder. Because at a certain age, a teenager should very well know that murder is not ok. Teens are old and strong enough to be dangers to society.
Most people that age who commit crimes have serious untreated mental health issues, and that is the fault of whoever didn't get them treatment. Only 1 in 5 of the adolescents that have diagnosable conditions ever receive it. Instead of all the tough on crime bullshit and lowering age thresholds, more funding needs to go into mental illness treatment. It's not fair that people who have undeveloped brains, hormonal imbalances, and/or psychiatric issues are held to the same standard as normal healthy people.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 03:43:39 PM
I request my post count be locked at the highest prime number under 1500.
You have the power to lock your own post count at whatever number you want: Quit posting.
Holy shit what has happened in this thread??!!??!!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 11, 2023, 04:22:01 PM
Getting privileges gradually as you age is a good thing. Going from a legal infant to a full adult at one arbitrary birthday would be a terrible idea.
And the most harmful ones, like going to jail and joining the military, should be last.
OK, you have a confusing view on jail. Should minors be tried as adults? I don't think so. But a 16 year old should know not to go out and murder 3 people. That's why teens can be charged with murder. Because at a certain age, a teenager should very well know that murder is not ok. Teens are old and strong enough to be dangers to society.
Most people that age who commit crimes have serious untreated mental health issues, and that is the fault of whoever didn't get them treatment. Only 1 in the adolescents that have diagnosable conditions ever receive it. Instead of all the rough on crime bullshit and lowering age thresholds, more funding needs to go into mental illness treatment. It's not fair that people who have undeveloped brains, hormonal imbalances, and/or psychiatric issues are held to the same standard as normal healthy people.
It's funny. I kinda agree with you on many things, but your ideas are so far off from reality on many issues that it's hard to know what to trust. And the fact that you have never held a job at age 24 probably doesn't help other people take you seriously either.
Quote from: kirbykart on February 11, 2023, 04:54:55 PM
Holy shit what has happened in this thread??!!??!!
Shit happens... Holy or not - that's a different question
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
No.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
Only if you want everyone to think you're incredibly lame and make fun of you.
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2023, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
No.
I noticed that MMM did not create this thread. I could create a thread "The universe according to Rothman!"
I won'tQuote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
Only if you want everyone to think you're incredibly lame and make fun of you.
I'm convinced that many people already think that of me honestly. I'm not down there in the dumps in terms of respect, but I'm not exactly up there.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:05:07 PM
I'm 23, but please tell me how if I was a part time cashier right now, how that would help validate my points? It's one thing to be proud of working your butt off to find a cure for some disease that ends up helping people or contributing to society, but having a job is just for your own survival, so I don't understand where all the pride points from having a job come from. Anyone can get one. I am simply choosing to take my sweet time looking for one. And for everyone's info, my degree is is Psychology, with a minor in Neuroscience which took me 5 years instead of 4, so I have every right to take it easy, especially considering I have some mental health issues myself, and with all the extra stress related to online class bullshit for 2 years instead of normalcy. You think the "Great Resignation" was caused by just laziness?
It's because you have almost no real world experence. You don't know what's it's like to hold a job and have to support yourself, so people won't ake some of your big societal opinions as seriously.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2023, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
No.
I noticed that MMM did not create this thread. I could create a thread "The universe according to Rothman!"
I won't
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
Only if you want everyone to think you're incredibly lame and make fun of you.
I'm convinced that many people already think that of me honestly. I'm not down there in the dumps in terms of respect, but I'm not exactly up there.
I didn't start the first MMM in 1 thread either. In fact, the same user started most threads that start with a quote of some comment I made, so, I get a good laugh when those threads keep getting locked, and everyone thinks I started them. In fact, I didn't even post in some of them.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2023, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
No.
I noticed that MMM did not create this thread. I could create a thread "The universe according to Rothman!"
I won't
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 11, 2023, 05:01:03 PM
Are all of us allowed to create our own versions of this thread? I really want to create "The universe according to RGT"
Only if you want everyone to think you're incredibly lame and make fun of you.
I'm convinced that many people already think that of me honestly. I'm not down there in the dumps in terms of respect, but I'm not exactly up there.
I didn't start the first MMM in 1 thread either. In fact, the same user started most threads that start with a quote of some comment I made, so, I get a good laugh when those threads keep getting locked, and everyone thinks I started them. In fact, I didn't even post in some of them.
Well you keep commenting on these threads and using them for your own ideas, so you clearly have interest in them. If you never post in them, they will all die out eventually.
Quote from: vdeane on February 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
And given that he described high school as harder than college
I found that my first year of college wasn't that different from high school, except I had time between classes. I got a degree in civil engineering, although the first year of college is designed that they're classes pretty much everyone takes.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:05:07 PM
I'm 23, but please tell me how if I was a part time cashier right now, how that would help validate my points? It's one thing to be proud of working your butt off to find a cure for some disease that ends up helping people or contributing to society, but having a job is just for your own survival, so I don't understand where all the pride points from having a job come from. Anyone can get one. I am simply choosing to take my sweet time looking for one. And for everyone's info, my degree is is Psychology, with a minor in Neuroscience which took me 5 years instead of 4, so I have every right to take it easy, especially considering I have some mental health issues myself, and with all the extra stress related to online class bullshit for 2 years instead of normalcy. You think the "Great Resignation" was caused by just laziness?
If you want to actually work on a cure for some disease, you better start doing that while in college. Undergrads actually work in the lab mostly to get that experience. Then you would move further, to either company or grad school - and would know about your plans a few months before graduation. Litied leisure opportunities as you want to stay sharp and in the loop.
Now for you... I wonder if you can get a part-time cashier job as you stand right now. Handling cash is a task that requires certain standing, and a gap in employment/education is a red flag...
Holding even a nothing job like a cashier shows that you're willing to show up, on time, and do some work. Cashiers also have to be paying enough attention to make change and keep their drawer correct. When I was hiring undergrads, I didn't immediately redlight people with no job experience at all, but it was a strike against them. Yes, it's easy to get a job like that, but if they're not satisfactory they won't last more than six months or so.
"It's because you have almost no real world experence. You don't know what's it's like to hold a job and have to support yourself, so people won't ake some of your big societal opinions as seriously."
I think the issue is that people are so conditioned into thinking working 10 hours a day half your life just to barely make a living is normal, that they think anything less is spoiled and entitled. A society without money at all is ideal. But if I still lived at home even with a job, how is that "real world experience"? Why is totally supporting yourself when you can still save money even with a job, considered so ideal? My home life isn't toxic or anything, so I am in no rush (although I don't like NY for other reasons)
Here's my reasons I think college is easier than HS:
1. Far less workload, you maybe have 2 papers and 3 exams per class, usually only one of the two, not both, and 4-5 courses (18 credits) maximum per semester. High school is up to 7 classes a year, with dozens of HW, up to 15 exams per subject, projects, regents...etc
2. In college passing is 60, high school is 65-70
3. Normal Adult freedoms in college vs the prison environment of high school
4. No trouble keeping up with college workload
5. Can major in something you are interested in
6. Professors act more human.
7. Campuses are nicer
8. Far more resources for students than in any grade school.
When I went to college, prerequisites were only satisfied with a 70 or above, even if a 60 was a D.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:05:07 PM
I'm 23, but please tell me how if I was a part time cashier right now, how that would help validate my points?
Speaking as someone who was a part time cashier for 6 years (and making $40k/year doing so): It would mean you'd have a lot more experience with what the average person is like, for one. It also means you tend to be a lot kinder and more patient with service employees because you know the sort of shit they go through.
I respect people less who haven't worked customer service jobs because they don't really know what the people in this world are actually like.
Quote from: vdeane on February 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
We are currently a house divided against itself, and unless something radically changes, we will cease to be divided by one side imposing their worldview by force on the other. Exposing everyone to both urban and rural environments and the people within them would go a long way to healing our divisions.
The fall of America has been 20 years away for 250 years.
College was easier than high school for me due to these primary reasons:
1. I was paying my own tuition and I didn't want to waste my money.
2. My courses pertained to a career field I was already invested in.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
A society without money at all is ideal.
We've gone from edgy ideas to completely nuts ideas.
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
A society without money at all is ideal.
We've gone from edgy ideas to completely nuts ideas.
Who knows? Maybe MMM is a communist. I know some communists.
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
A society without money at all is ideal.
We've gone from edgy ideas to completely nuts ideas.
I've thought of a community 4 miles off the coast of Gloucester MA (so not subject to any state law), and it would have worked this way. I realized my idea of a society without money already existed, and Wikipedia calls it anarcho-communism. It's definitely an existing idea, but it hasn't been implemented anywhere, and I'm not sure if it would work.
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
A society without money at all is ideal.
We've gone from edgy ideas to completely nuts ideas.
He's like co-opting that idea also from Star Trek.
The whole reason for money is:
Unlimited Wants; Limited Resources
If we can fix the 2nd part of that statement, such as by developing nuclear power, or matter replicators like on Star Trek, resources will less limited and less of a need for any kind of barter system.
People on here saying lack of experience is a red flag...maybe going to college accounts for that gap?? So unless someone worked every single nook and cranny in between their education periods, that's a strike against them? Pfft, the bar is set too high these days, no one should have to do both. Oh and I took summer classes, so I could take a course or 2 less a semester and do better. So where is this gap everyone is talking about? You can't prefer people with college degrees and then criticize lack of work experience because they had to spend their time getting that degree. And the jobs I am thinking of probably wouldn't be that picky anyway. There is a huge trucker shortage and most driving jobs I have browsed are "urgently hiring".
Quote from: 1 on February 11, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
A society without money at all is ideal.
We've gone from edgy ideas to completely nuts ideas.
I've thought of a community 4 miles off the coast of Gloucester MA (so not subject to any state law), and it would have worked this way. I realized my idea of a society without money already existed, and Wikipedia calls it anarcho-communism. It's definitely an existing idea, but it hasn't been implemented anywhere, and I'm not sure if it would work.
There was a pretty interesting movement called "free state project". Plan was to have enough people sharing certain ideals to move in a low population state (NH was one of the options) and take over the political landscape. It was crazy, but not completely unthinkable...
Actually, wiki says they are still running low gear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:58:45 PM
The whole reason for money is:
Unlimited Wants; Limited Resources
If we can fix the 2nd part of that statement, such as by developing nuclear power, or matter replicators like on Star Trek, resources will less limited and less of a need for any kind of barter system.
People on here saying lack of experience is a red flag...maybe going to college accounts for that gap?? So unless someone worked every single nook and cranny in between their education periods, that's a strike against them? Pfft, the bar is set too high these days, no one should have to do both. Oh and I took summer classes, so I could take a course or 2 less a semester and do better. So where is this gap everyone is talking about? You can't prefer people with college degrees and then criticize lack of work experience because they had to spend their time getting that degree. And the jobs I am thinking of probably wouldn't be that picky anyway. There is a huge trucker shortage and most driving jobs I have browsed are "urgently hiring".
I believe you already graduated. When was that? May 2022?
June 2022, so less than 1 year ago.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 06:02:59 PM
June 2022, so less than 1 year ago.
More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:58:45 PM
The whole reason for money is:
Unlimited Wants; Limited Resources
If we can fix the 2nd part of that statement, such as by developing nuclear power, or matter replicators like on Star Trek, resources will less limited and less of a need for any kind of barter system.
People on here saying lack of experience is a red flag...maybe going to college accounts for that gap?? So unless someone worked every single nook and cranny in between their education periods, that's a strike against them? Pfft, the bar is set too high these days, no one should have to do both. Oh and I took summer classes, so I could take a course or 2 less a semester and do better. So where is this gap everyone is talking about? You can't prefer people with college degrees and then criticize lack of work experience because they had to spend their time getting that degree. And the jobs I am thinking of probably wouldn't be that picky anyway. There is a huge trucker shortage and most driving jobs I have browsed are "urgently hiring".
Given you just graduated that job gap wouldn't be a huge issue if you entered the workforce now. The longer you wait to enter the workforce post college the bigger an issue it will become. Holding out for non-entry level because you have a degree rarely works out for anyone.
Star Trek is fiction, the notion people en masse would work for the sake of bettering themselves is naive.
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
To be fair, I didn't really do a whole lot of work during that timeframe either. But I have an LLC that was active during that time, and I'm on state records as the managing partner of it, so that covers the gap where I just dorked around on the forum for a year.
The U.S. employment system is way more reliant on the honor system than anyone cares to admit.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
To be fair, I didn't really do a whole lot of work during that timeframe either. But I have an LLC that was active during that time, and I'm on state records as the managing partner of it, so that covers the gap where I just dorked around on the forum for a year.
The U.S. employment system is way more reliant on the honor system than anyone cares to admit.
It really depends on who where and what. Background checks do happen, but probably not for entry-level positions. I heard a story of a checker company verifying 20-year-old diploma earned in a college overseas by calling dean's office - and that wasn't unusual for either side.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 06:19:26 PM
I'm fine with entry level. Most driving jobs by definition are entry level. But I don't think someone saying they just took a gap year to relax *which isn't even accurate as I have been looking and did attempt an application back in late July last year which didn't work out* but seriously unless you're a convicted criminal or are like 40 with no college degree/no work experience, I don't see why they would care so much. And anyone can make up that they were self-employed or worked for some private business that doesn't exist anymore, so it's not like those facts are even guaranteed to screen out a good candidate.
You said in a previous post you were looking for 6 figures. Not entry level money. And trucking companies are hiring, so...
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 11, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
A society without money at all is ideal.
We've gone from edgy ideas to completely nuts ideas.
I've thought of a community 4 miles off the coast of Gloucester MA (so not subject to any state law), and it would have worked this way. I realized my idea of a society without money already existed, and Wikipedia calls it anarcho-communism. It's definitely an existing idea, but it hasn't been implemented anywhere, and I'm not sure if it would work.
There was a pretty interesting movement called "free state project". Plan was to have enough people sharing certain ideals to move in a low population state (NH was one of the options) and take over the political landscape. It was crazy, but not completely unthinkable...
Actually, wiki says they are still running low gear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project
The belief that a large number of people can just cooperate, without a governing body, without anyone getting greedy or fighting or ruining it in some other way, is the crazy part. It might have been doable hundreds of years ago, and some people think that life was better when it was as simple as hunting and gathering to put food on the table. Overwhelmingly, it wasn't. I bet 90% of anarcho-communists have no idea how boring and difficult such a life would be compared to their current life.
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
To be fair, I didn't really do a whole lot of work during that timeframe either. But I have an LLC that was active during that time, and I'm on state records as the managing partner of it, so that covers the gap where I just dorked around on the forum for a year.
The U.S. employment system is way more reliant on the honor system than anyone cares to admit.
It really depends on who where and what. Background checks do happen, but probably not for entry-level positions. I heard a story of a checker company verifying 20-year-old diploma earned in a college overseas by calling dean's office - and that wasn't unusual for either side.
I could see that happening for critical positions like C-level. But even for middle management, if companies are so inundated with candidates that they have to resort to keyword matching of resumes, I can't imagine they have the resources to have HR verify everything on someone's resume. (Assuming that certain things are even possible to verify. If someone said they were a store manager at Montgomery Ward from 1994-1996, how could you possibly say that they weren't?)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
To be fair, I didn't really do a whole lot of work during that timeframe either. But I have an LLC that was active during that time, and I'm on state records as the managing partner of it, so that covers the gap where I just dorked around on the forum for a year.
The U.S. employment system is way more reliant on the honor system than anyone cares to admit.
It really depends on who where and what. Background checks do happen, but probably not for entry-level positions. I heard a story of a checker company verifying 20-year-old diploma earned in a college overseas by calling dean's office - and that wasn't unusual for either side.
I could see that happening for critical positions like C-level. But even for middle management, if companies are so inundated with candidates that they have to resort to keyword matching of resumes, I can't imagine they have the resources to have HR verify everything on someone's resume. (Assuming that certain things are even possible to verify. If someone said they were a store manager at Montgomery Ward from 1994-1996, how could you possibly say that they weren't?)
I may still have the results of my background check somewhere. I am not a C-level person at all. The check itself was performed by a local security company, not by the government. I wasn't an off-the-street hire, that was about some money from another funding source within the same organization which required formal hiring into a second position - so I got the lightest version of the check possible with 10 year depth of public records pulled maybe.
They did verify addresses (yes, I moved 3 times), car registrations(oh yeah, I remember that car!), court records (1 speeding ticket), a call to the previous employer (answered by the guy next door from the person ordering the check).
So, did you live in the same area as the store you claim to manage? Did you own a car registered at the same address, or had other means to commute judging by address? Did you actually leave the previous job and entered the next one in the timeframe you specified?
25 years may be a bit too much for such an approach, 5-10 years are pretty easy for someone who knows how to work with those databases.
Yet another reason I should hurry securing that driving job, don't have moving violations yet, but most want a clean driving record and it's never too late to get a 12 mph over speeding ticket.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 05:44:27 PM
College was easier than high school for me due to these primary reasons:
1. I was paying my own tuition and I didn't want to waste my money.
2. My courses pertained to a career field I was already invested in.
It's almost sad in a way, but I can't shake the feeling that a lot of college students today aren't truly learning much, or perhaps they might feel that way. At the end of the day, you
are paying for a degree, regardless of if you "absorb" the content or not, or are even interested in it in the first place.
How did you go for free if your parents have enough income that they gave you $40K?
And it doesn't seem to be tied to outstanding grades, since it matters to you what the pass threshold is. And I was at about the 90th percentile in my high school and got maybe 1/3-1/4 off the total cost (some of which also required being low-income), not everything.
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2023, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 11, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
To be fair, I didn't really do a whole lot of work during that timeframe either. But I have an LLC that was active during that time, and I'm on state records as the managing partner of it, so that covers the gap where I just dorked around on the forum for a year.
The U.S. employment system is way more reliant on the honor system than anyone cares to admit.
It really depends on who where and what. Background checks do happen, but probably not for entry-level positions. I heard a story of a checker company verifying 20-year-old diploma earned in a college overseas by calling dean's office - and that wasn't unusual for either side.
I could see that happening for critical positions like C-level. But even for middle management, if companies are so inundated with candidates that they have to resort to keyword matching of resumes, I can't imagine they have the resources to have HR verify everything on someone's resume. (Assuming that certain things are even possible to verify. If someone said they were a store manager at Montgomery Ward from 1994-1996, how could you possibly say that they weren't?)
I may still have the results of my background check somewhere. I am not a C-level person at all. The check itself was performed by a local security company, not by the government. I wasn't an off-the-street hire, that was about some money from another funding source within the same organization which required formal hiring into a second position - so I got the lightest version of the check possible with 10 year depth of public records pulled maybe.
They did verify addresses (yes, I moved 3 times), car registrations(oh yeah, I remember that car!), court records (1 speeding ticket), a call to the previous employer (answered by the guy next door from the person ordering the check).
So, did you live in the same area as the store you claim to manage? Did you own a car registered at the same address, or had other means to commute judging by address? Did you actually leave the previous job and entered the next one in the timeframe you specified?
25 years may be a bit too much for such an approach, 5-10 years are pretty easy for someone who knows how to work with those databases.
You can do all that digging, but the real question is whether it's worth it. That is, is it cost-effective to pay someone to go down all of those rabbit holes, especially when it's not someone with real access to company finances, something like a warehouse manager or something like that? (hint: no)
I got free tuition, but tuition was only about 1/4 of the total cost, and that doesn't include dorms or food (I lived at home).
I never had Greek classic literature in my core classes. Only College Writing I and College Writing II.
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More than 6 months ago. And didn't work during the period of high demand for workforce....
To be fair, I didn't really do a whole lot of work during that timeframe either. But I have an LLC that was active during that time, and I'm on state records as the managing partner of it, so that covers the gap where I just dorked around on the forum for a year.
The U.S. employment system is way more reliant on the honor system than anyone cares to admit.
It really depends on who where and what. Background checks do happen, but probably not for entry-level positions. I heard a story of a checker company verifying 20-year-old diploma earned in a college overseas by calling dean's office - and that wasn't unusual for either side.
I could see that happening for critical positions like C-level. But even for middle management, if companies are so inundated with candidates that they have to resort to keyword matching of resumes, I can't imagine they have the resources to have HR verify everything on someone's resume. (Assuming that certain things are even possible to verify. If someone said they were a store manager at Montgomery Ward from 1994-1996, how could you possibly say that they weren't?)
I may still have the results of my background check somewhere. I am not a C-level person at all. The check itself was performed by a local security company, not by the government. I wasn't an off-the-street hire, that was about some money from another funding source within the same organization which required formal hiring into a second position - so I got the lightest version of the check possible with 10 year depth of public records pulled maybe.
They did verify addresses (yes, I moved 3 times), car registrations(oh yeah, I remember that car!), court records (1 speeding ticket), a call to the previous employer (answered by the guy next door from the person ordering the check).
So, did you live in the same area as the store you claim to manage? Did you own a car registered at the same address, or had other means to commute judging by address? Did you actually leave the previous job and entered the next one in the timeframe you specified?
25 years may be a bit too much for such an approach, 5-10 years are pretty easy for someone who knows how to work with those databases.
You can do all that digging, but the real question is whether it's worth it. That is, is it cost-effective to pay someone to go down all of those rabbit holes, especially when it's not someone with real access to company finances, something like a warehouse manager or something like that? (hint: no)
Depends on the field. Technology companies may do that for those who have some IP access or have some government-mandated restrictions. Local or state governments may have that as a part of their general operations.
I just shared my own story. If you want, I can PM you with more details, don't want to post too personal information here. Just saying - this happened to me, your mileage may vary, though.
I don't doubt your story. I just don't think that there are many companies that would go to that extent to verify the info. Certainly none of the ones that I and people I know in person have ever worked for. Even for sensitive gaming jobs the most they do is a criminal/court records check and call a few of the character references you supplied. Maybe they have higher standards in New York, I don't know.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 07:26:11 PM
Luckily I went for free. Taking out a predatory student loan is no different than signing away your bank account to your ex-wife.
Well, you know what they say, time is money. So 4 years must be a lot of it.
MultiMillionMiler:
- Lives on Long Island
- Has a lot of revolutionary ideas
- Is not afraid to speak his mind
- Will actually be able to change things rather than just rambling on a forum
- (Probably) did not lie about his background, unlike someone else whom I will not mention here
- Will turn 25 in time
I have the perfect job for you. You are looking for one, right?
The thought that MMM actually is the person you're referring to has crossed my mind.
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MultiMillionMiler:
- Lives on Long Island
- Has a lot of revolutionary ideas
- Is not afraid to speak his mind
- Will actually be able to change things rather than just rambling on a forum
- (Probably) did not lie about his background, unlike someone else whom I will not mention here
- Will turn 25 in time
I have the perfect job for you. You are looking for one, right?
Sotnas Egroeg?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 08:35:18 PM
George Santos is 23?
Who knows honestly? He could be 5, he could be 99999999999999.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 07:26:11 PM
Luckily I went for free. Taking out a predatory student loan is no different than signing away your bank account to your ex-wife.
Well, you know what they say, time is money. So 4 years must be a lot of it.
Several ways around that student loan problem for us plebians. I paid for it out of pocket, my wife used grant money where she could, and several family/friends used the GI Bill.
https://fortune.com/2022/11/26/millennials-burdened-by-debt-no-nice-things/
I think student debt should be forgiven already. We give so many rich corporations bailouts and living expenses for younger people are much harder now than they were pre-pandemic. Or even after, stop "elite" schools from charging such outrageous tuition to begin with. I also think everyone with a college degree should be exempt from road tolls for at least 10 years after graduation.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
Or even after, stop "elite" schools from charging such outrageous tuition to begin with.
They don't. It's the "anyone gets in" schools that charge ridiculous amounts of money.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
https://fortune.com/2022/11/26/millennials-burdened-by-debt-no-nice-things/
I think student debt should be forgiven already. We give so many rich corporations bailouts and living expenses for younger people are much harder now than they were pre-pandemic. Or even after, stop "elite" schools from charging such outrageous tuition to begin with. I also think everyone with a college degree should be exempt from road tolls for at least 10 years after graduation.
I'm not per se opposed to some student loan forgiveness. I would prefer that the notion that "everyone needs to go to college" dies.
I agree with that statement. Trade school needs to be promoted much more.
Oh and I was going to post this in the time zone thread, but figured it was more of an MMM idea, so I'll post it here. Time zones should be every 10 minutes, not every hour. So sure, even if Utah's time is 1 hr later than CA's time and that's accurate in terms of the sun setting, what about all the areas in between? Are they just rounded to one of the two? To truly represent the amounts of daylight/night sunrise/sunset times, and establish accurate distance based time zones, there should be a new zone every 100-250 miles or so that reflects each increment of 10 minute differences. So maybe its 8 am in NYC but 7:50 in Harrisburg..etc, and 7:40 in Pittsburgh, and 8:10 in Montauk.
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Why should someone get an advantage in life just because they won the birth lottery and had rich parents?
And honestly, MMM being born with a silver spoon in his mouth explains a LOT. He's never lived in the real world. Ever. No wonder all his ideas are fantastical. He is Example A for why we need a national service requirement... perhaps a year in a small town and a year in a big city doing community service. Could help bring people in this country together to understand each other.
There is a birth lottery wether you like it or not. It's about money, it's about family role models, health, citizenship and what not.
What MMM wants here is parent's support extending past the childhood into the years when building up of career foundation - skills, connections, work ethics - should happen.
Would be interesting to see what his education really is - something real world, or something that provides little benefit beyond clicking the "college degree" checkbox.
Historically, we have tried to minimize it with policies like having public schools, making schooling mandatory, welfare, estate taxes, etc. Sadly we seem to be moving away from that and towards more inequality. Let's appreciate how hypocritical MMM is for ranting about how his generation is poor on one hand but then wanting kids to be supported off their rich parents!
Parents lending connections to their kids sounds a lot like nepotism to me, and if we did that, how is someone who doesn't have connections supposed to get anywhere?
Let's face it - the only reason MMM has time to spam the forum is because he's bumming off his parents instead of getting a job, and he's not getting a job because he feels work is "too hard". And given that he described high school as harder than college, I would not at all be surprised if his degree is more along the lines of getting something just to say they have a degree rather than something that gives real-world skills.
Well, there is definitely an attempt to help those who are not getting much from the family. Now can you limit what those better off can do for their kids? Moving to a better school district? Showing an example of lowing and hard-working family? Those are non-monetary, but highly valuable things parents can provide.
Connections... I would say there is a way to use connections as opposed to abusing them. You cannot eliminate that. FOr example, knowing about a good job opening may make a big difference. Staying on that job due to connections? That's too much..
While I'm not sure if there's an ethical way to reduce the fire of inequality to 0, I do know that we can at least avoid pouring gasoline on it like MMM wants to do.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 09:30:51 PM
Oh and I was going to post this in the time zone thread, but figured it was more of an MMM idea, so I'll post it here. Time zones should be every 10 minutes, not every hour. So sure, even if Utah's time is 1 hr later than CA's time and that's accurate in terms of the sun setting, what about all the areas in between? Are they just rounded to one of the two? To truly represent the amounts of daylight/night sunrise/sunset times, and establish accurate distance based time zones, there should be a new zone every 100-250 miles or so that reflects each increment of 10 minute differences. So maybe its 8 am in NYC but 7:50 in Harrisburg..etc, and 7:40 in Pittsburgh, and 8:10 in Montauk.
That would be way more chaotic than how they are now.
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https://fortune.com/2022/11/26/millennials-burdened-by-debt-no-nice-things/
I think student debt should be forgiven already. We give so many rich corporations bailouts and living expenses for younger people are much harder now than they were pre-pandemic. Or even after, stop "elite" schools from charging such outrageous tuition to begin with. I also think everyone with a college degree should be exempt from road tolls for at least 10 years after graduation.
I'm not per se opposed to some student loan forgiveness. I would prefer that the notion that "everyone needs to go to college" dies.
Barely anybody actually says that anymore. The notion that "everyone needs to go to college" is a popular statement is false.
One thing: don't complain about the cost of college, advocate for free college, then turn around and complain about having to pay higher taxes to fund the free college.
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I also think everyone with a college degree should be exempt from road tolls for at least 10 years after graduation.
That would suffer the same fate as disability parking placards. People who they were not intended for using it for their own personal benefit because they know someone who it
was intended for.
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Or even after, stop "elite" schools from charging such outrageous tuition to begin with.
One of the biggest scams today that no one talks about is colleges/professors forcing students to use their own money purchase access to online course content platforms, like Pearson for example. I have heard from several college students that they have to pay up to $80 to access their homework because their professor wants the class to use a specific learning platform. I think that if something is required for a course and not provided by the school, it needs to be included in the cost of tuition. Even making students pay for textbooks is already questionable.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 09:11:42 PM
I would prefer that the notion that "everyone needs to go to college" dies.
I don't think that notion was ever alive outside of middle-class America.
^^^
It decidedly is a middle class value. I grew up hearing the virtues of college constantly from all ends of my family.
On the other hand, the trades aren't all that either. Most of them require some degree of manual dexterity and/or wedging yourself into tight places like attics, crawlspaces, under a car, etc. While, yes, you can make really good money as an auto mechanic, plumber, or electrician, not everyone has the physical constitution to handle such a job.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 09:11:42 PM
I would prefer that the notion that "everyone needs to go to college" dies.
I don't think that notion was ever alive outside of middle-class America.
Baloney. My mother grew up in a coal camp in Kentucky. Her parents and most of the parents of her generation taught their kids to "get out of Dodge," get an education and get work that didn't involve the misery of working in the mines or for the coal company.
Even poorer students managed to go to local "teaching colleges" to become teachers. Other students headed off to UK and then elsewhere.
Hence the frequently noted and cited "brain drain" in Appalachia.
My mother's little coal camp is a tenth of the once thriving little town now, especially since the local mine has closed permanently (they even ripped out the rail line and blockaded the old rail tunnels). Those that remained mostly feel trapped.
So, yes, the idea of college as being a way to prosperity was quite alive in poorer, rural areas of the country. Given the history, the lack of opportunity to even consider college may have led to a generational dismissal of the idea.
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On the other hand, the trades aren't all that either. Most of them require some degree of manual dexterity and/or wedging yourself into tight places like attics, crawlspaces, under a car, etc. While, yes, you can make really good money as an auto mechanic, plumber, or electrician, not everyone has the physical constitution to handle such a job.
The mere fact that I can fix analog CCTV systems likely ensured my continued employment through the post housing crash recession. It's not the most difficult skill to obtain but you do need dexterity and an ability to handle getting conveyed absurdly high degrees of dust/filth.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 09:11:42 PM
I would prefer that the notion that "everyone needs to go to college" dies.
I don't think that notion was ever alive outside of middle-class America.
Baloney. My mother grew up in a coal camp in Kentucky. Her parents and most of the parents of her generation taught their kids to "get out of Dodge," get an education and get work that didn't involve the misery of working in the mines or for the coal company.
Even poorer students managed to go to local "teaching colleges" to become teachers. Other students headed off to UK and then elsewhere.
Hence the frequently noted and cited "brain drain" in Appalachia.
My mother's little coal camp is a tenth of the once thriving little town now, especially since the local mine has closed permanently (they even ripped out the rail line and blockaded the old rail tunnels). Those that remained mostly feel trapped.
So, yes, the idea of college as being a way to prosperity was quite alive in poorer, rural areas of the country. Given the history, the lack of opportunity to even consider college may have led to a generational dismissal of the idea.
Can you blame them for pushing kids to go to college? Why is Appalachia economically struggling in the first place? From an Ohio State study: a low-paying industry structure, below average education, low household mobility, and remoteness from cities. All issues that a person can escape by going to college and leaving the region.
While I'm guilty of participating myself, 140+ posts in a single day on an off-topic post that has no subject, plot, continuity or substance is a bit much. Off-Topic should be a minor portion of the forum's traffic; not something that consistently appears on the 'Recent Posts' section.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2023, 09:11:42 PM
I would prefer that the notion that "everyone needs to go to college" dies.
I don't think that notion was ever alive outside of middle-class America.
Baloney. My mother grew up in a coal camp in Kentucky. Her parents and most of the parents of her generation taught their kids to "get out of Dodge," get an education and get work that didn't involve the misery of working in the mines or for the coal company.
Even poorer students managed to go to local "teaching colleges" to become teachers. Other students headed off to UK and then elsewhere.
Hence the frequently noted and cited "brain drain" in Appalachia.
My mother's little coal camp is a tenth of the once thriving little town now, especially since the local mine has closed permanently (they even ripped out the rail line and blockaded the old rail tunnels). Those that remained mostly feel trapped.
So, yes, the idea of college as being a way to prosperity was quite alive in poorer, rural areas of the country. Given the history, the lack of opportunity to even consider college may have led to a generational dismissal of the idea.
Can you blame them for pushing kids to go to college? Why is Appalachia economically struggling in the first place? From an Ohio State study: a low-paying industry structure, below average education, low household mobility, and remoteness from cities. All issues that a person can escape by going to college and leaving the region.
Of course not...hence the context of the thread.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 11:50:29 PM
While I'm guilty of participating myself, 140+ posts in a single day on an off-topic post that has no subject, plot, continuity or substance is a bit much. Off-Topic should be a minor portion of the forum's traffic; not something that consistently appears on the 'Recent Posts' section.
For some background context pertaining to me, I spent the entire afternoon on a CA 72/Old US 101 blog. So yes, while I have been contributing to this rolling disaster all day I also reviewed the 113 years of life of a state highway segment. Considering I now have a backlog of blogs with scheduled publishing dates out to June 10th I think it's safe to say that I still tend to most of my down time at home on research.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 11:50:29 PM
While I'm guilty of participating myself, 140+ posts in a single day on an off-topic post that has no subject, plot, continuity or substance is a bit much. Off-Topic should be a minor portion of the forum's traffic; not something that consistently appears on the 'Recent Posts' section.
It's funny you say that, because just now I was noticing that a lot of high-posting users have large proportions of their posts in Off-Topic.
By posts per board:
kphoger: Off-Topic is #1 most popular
Roadgeekteen: Off-Topic is #2 most popular
JayhawkCO: Off-Topic is #2 most popular
Scott5114: Off-Topic is #1 most popular
1: Off-Topic is #2 most popular
Max Rockatansky: Off-Topic is #1 most popular
Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
From an Ohio State study: a low-paying industry structure, below average education, low household mobility, and remoteness from cities. All issues that a person can escape by going to college and leaving the region.
But escaping all of those things requires money. And usually, people who have those things don't have a lot of money to start with.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2023, 11:50:29 PM
While I'm guilty of participating myself, 140+ posts in a single day on an off-topic post that has no subject, plot, continuity or substance is a bit much. Off-Topic should be a minor portion of the forum's traffic; not something that consistently appears on the 'Recent Posts' section.
The Off Topic board has just as much, if not more activity than General Highway Talk lately.
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Quote from: thspfc on February 11, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
From an Ohio State study: a low-paying industry structure, below average education, low household mobility, and remoteness from cities. All issues that a person can escape by going to college and leaving the region.
But escaping all of those things requires money. And usually, people who have those things don't have a lot of money to start with.
...which is why all those poor parents in Appalachia scrimped and saved to at least get the kid into some sort of college.
To be clear, I certainly don't believe college is the only path to prosperity. But to say that the education/college path was not something anyone other than the middle class was exposed to is a denial of some of the most important and historical socioeconomic shifts in our country (i.e., the brain drain).
And, come to think of it, my father's family was also poor and he ended up working himself into college, mostly in desperation for economic stability (my grandfather, who came close to death during WWII, had no patience with authority afterwards and quit jobs when he had run-ins with superiors). But, his background was growing up in downtown Trenton, NJ...to the point where he was bused to the suburbs to better integrate the schools (true story...one of the white kids shipped with the minority children...). So, urban poor rather than rural poor. My father lucked into supportive mentors, especially after the family moved to Utah when my grandfather got a job with the National Park Service as a heavy equipment operator (fitting everything into a small pull-behind U-Haul trailer...my father refers to this as his "pioneer experience").
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 11, 2023, 05:58:45 PM
People on here saying lack of experience is a red flag...maybe going to college accounts for that gap?? So unless someone worked every single nook and cranny in between their education periods, that's a strike against them? Pfft, the bar is set too high these days, no one should have to do both. Oh and I took summer classes, so I could take a course or 2 less a semester and do better. So where is this gap everyone is talking about? You can't prefer people with college degrees and then criticize lack of work experience because they had to spend their time getting that degree. And the jobs I am thinking of probably wouldn't be that picky anyway. There is a huge trucker shortage and most driving jobs I have browsed are "urgently hiring".
If this is directed in part (or entirely) toward me, first, students in high school or college can often work summers, and if they came back to work at the same place again that probably means the people there appreciated their work. And it's possible to work part time junior and senior years of high school and during college. The students I hired were not allowed to work more than 19 hours/week while school was in session, and I usually didn't schedule one person to work more than 10-12 hours/week just because their first priority should be doing well in their classes. If they were experienced at working at the same time as taking classes I might schedule them for more. The other aspect was that if someone was scheduled for, say, 18 hours per week and then stopped working in my department, it would be very hard to fill our schedule with the remaining employees; with a 12 hour per work maximum per student employee the damage one person leaving would do was more tolerable.
And where's the time for leisure in all of that? Seriously what's the point of living if all you are doing is school and work 15 hours a day?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:04:47 AM
And where's the time for leisure in all of that? Seriously what's the point of living if all you are doing is school and work 15 hours a day?
I assume 7 for school plus 8 for work? Saturdays and Sundays, or if you work on those days, you'll have some free time during the week, too.
You do those things early usually in early adulthood so you don't have to later. The first five years of my adult life were among the most boring and plain I lived since I was working full time, going to school full time and having to figure out how to fund everything. It paid off though five years in when I parlayed the career and school experience into a big pay day via promotion.
The biggest takeaway I got from early adulthood was living paycheck to paycheck horrible. That helped motivate me to get out of that situation and learn to do things like manage my own life. I probably missed out on a lot of things people do in their early adult years (especially socially) but the back side pay off was worth the sacrifice.
Alot of people say that, which explains why so many young adults are suicidally depressed and even older adults have so many untreated mental health issues. I don't think it's worth sacrificing your prime of life years unless you are getting paid so much that you can afford to just buy a new car/small house right off the bat, and are able to live comfortably for the next decade or two with an easier job. The amount of people today who work 2 jobs just to blow their income on college for example, is astonishing. And again, not to flare up the whole college debate (and sorry if I sounded offensive at all not trying to tell anyone how they should live their life these are just my opinions from psychology), but since the average salary of a job that a college graduate holds is maybe $11,000 or $12,000 higher than a high school graduate, the physical health drain usually doesn't pay off (for most people anyway) unless you are literally going to be a CEO or neurosurgeon.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:25:15 AM
Alot of people say that, which explains why so many young adults are suicidally depressed and even older adults have so many untreated mental health issues. I don't think it's worth sacrificing your prime of life years unless you are getting paid so much that you can afford to just buy a new car/small house right off the bat, and are able to live comfortably for the next decade or two with an easier job. The amount of people today who work 2 jobs just to blow their income on college for example, is astonishing. And again, not to flare up the whole college debate (and sorry if I sounded offensive at all not trying to tell anyone how they should live their life these are just my opinions from psychology), but since the average salary of a job that a college graduate holds is maybe $11,000 or $12,000 higher than a high school graduate, the physical health drain usually doesn't pay off (for mostYo people anyway) unless you are literally going to be a CEO or neurosurgeon.
You may have pretty unrealistic expectations for CEO or neurosurgeon career path. It's about 7 years of residency for the latter...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:58:10 AM
Yeah, to make multiple Six figures a year though. Most careers don't end up offsetting the delay in getting the actual job.
I doubt you would get to 6-figure in the sanitation department as well. Not on today's scale; inflation can make things look different.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:25:15 AM
Alot of people say that, which explains why so many young adults are suicidally depressed and even older adults have so many untreated mental health issues. I don't think it's worth sacrificing your prime of life years unless you are getting paid so much that you can afford to just buy a new car/small house right off the bat, and are able to live comfortably for the next decade or two with an easier job. The amount of people today who work 2 jobs just to blow their income on college for example, is astonishing. And again, not to flare up the whole college debate (and sorry if I sounded offensive at all not trying to tell anyone how they should live their life these are just my opinions from psychology), but since the average salary of a job that a college graduate holds is maybe $11,000 or $12,000 higher than a high school graduate, the physical health drain usually doesn't pay off (for most people anyway) unless you are literally going to be a CEO or neurosurgeon.
I never said that I was depressed or drained though. Sure, I was stressed out for at times but I learned what those stressor sources were and how to mitigate them. I had no ambition to be a CEO or something that required a Masters. In fact once my career level elevated I backed off school a little. I eventually quit school when I determined it wasn't going to be much of a factor for continued advancement.
Fall 2008 (could have been Sprint 2009) I want to say? I started going to school full time during the Spring of 2004 and did full time through the end of 2005. I was only doing an average of 6 credit hours during the Spring and Fall semesters after 2005 due to my work schedule and having the money to other things. I usually picked up another 3-4 credit hours during Summer semester post 2005. In fact my only online class was during a Summer semester. The equivalent to Junior year if you are looking for the traditional four year structure answer.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:11:59 AM
What about the 4-5 hours of HW you get in high school?
4-5 hours? Yeah right.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:04:47 AM
And where's the time for leisure in all of that? Seriously what's the point of living if all you are doing is school and work 15 hours a day?
It's the student employees choice whether or not to work, or (within broad limits) how many hours to work.
One week = 168 hours
- 56 hours sleeping (8 hours a night, do college students actually get that much?)
- 15 hours in class
- 15 hours doing homework (rule of thumb 1 hour homework per hour in class)
- 15 hours part time job
- 7 hours eating
still leaves 116 hours a week for getting to/from class, but includes a fair amount of time for socializing and liesure. And I'd hope that the student would get some pleasure in the classes as well, it's not sheer torture the whole time.
60, not 116. You seem to have forgotten to subtract the 56.
10 hours of sleep minimum for people under age 21 is needed for a healthy brain, and at least 9 hours up to age 25 (neuroscience supports this). In fact, part of the reason it took me 5 years was because I only chose classes at 10:30 am and later, and sometimes I couldn't find anything that fit so I put off that particular class until the next semester..etc. I fall asleep at 10:30 to 11 pm generally every night and can't really function getting up earlier than 7:30-8 am, and I will be looking for job hours that suits this criteria also. I'd even sacrifice lunch hour if necessary to get the extra hour of sleep. Sleep deprivation is the most dangerous health risk with a job out of most other factors.
I don't think there has ever been a point in my life outside of being an infant where I consistently got 10 hours of sleep. I usually function fine with 6-6.5 hours nowadays.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2023, 02:45:57 PM
I don't think there has ever been a point in my life outside of being an infant where I consistently got 10 hours of sleep. I usually function fine with 6-6.5 hours nowadays.
That's horrible, even fully grown adults with completely developed brains and elderly need 7 hours minimum. Sleep needs to be classified as a basic, fundamental, unalienable human right at the same level as food and water. I can easily forget to eat for a day without noticing, but not without sleep. In fact, even being very hungry while caught in traffic is much easier to ignore than trying to drive while drowsy. But the thing is, if I get a full night sleep one night, I may only need far less the next night. Sometimes I alternate between sleeping 10 hours and 5 hours.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2023, 02:45:57 PM
I don't think there has ever been a point in my life outside of being an infant where I consistently got 10 hours of sleep. I usually function fine with 6-6.5 hours nowadays.
That's horrible, even fully grown adults with completely developed brains and elderly need 7 hours minimum. Sleep needs to be classified as a basic, fundamental, unalienable human right at the same level as food and water. I can easily forget to eat for a day without noticing, but not without sleep. In fact, even being very hungry while caught in traffic is much easier to ignore than trying to drive while drowsy. But the thing is, if I get a full night sleep one night, I may only need far less the next night. Sometimes I alternate between sleeping 10 hours and 5 hours.
That's fine, I feel infinitely worse if I sleep longer and don't go out for a run in the morning. Nobody is making me sleep less other than me and my attempts to squeeze 8-13.5 miles in before sunrise.
Quote from: kkt on February 12, 2023, 01:02:07 PM- 56 hours sleeping (8 hours a night, do college students actually get that much?)
I learned pretty quickly that it was a mistake for me not to.
People's specific sleep requirements vary, but especially in this country, there is a strong cultural imperative to try to get by on less and claim that's all the sleep one needs ("Plenty of time to sleep when I'm dead" and all that). Even so, just as college is partly about learning to treat study as a full-time job and thus default toward hitting the books in unstructured time during the day, it is also about learning to start early on difficult projects or assignments so that they get done without compromising sleep.
I knew of a woman who got no sleep. She would be considered eccentric by many on here, but her story was she stayed up all night to pray for people in a sanctuary she built in an extra room in her house. She didn't get to bed hardly ever.
Didn't really know her personally as she died in 2004, but met her family in 2015 and 2016. Her name is Maria Esperanza and started a community in Venezuela called Finca Betania and she can be googled as well as her community to find out more.
Anyway she was always full of energy and those who believe her story ( which many to date have and all who claimed to have met her say her personality is so comforting people of all beliefs including scientific people find peace in her) claim she can inspire people to want to live their own to life to full happiness.
Quote from: kkt on February 12, 2023, 01:02:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:04:47 AM
And where's the time for leisure in all of that? Seriously what's the point of living if all you are doing is school and work 15 hours a day?
It's the student employees choice whether or not to work, or (within broad limits) how many hours to work.
One week = 168 hours
- 56 hours sleeping (8 hours a night, do college students actually get that much?)
- 15 hours in class
- 15 hours doing homework (rule of thumb 1 hour homework per hour in class)
- 15 hours part time job
- 7 hours eating
still leaves 116 hours a week for getting to/from class, but includes a fair amount of time for socializing and liesure. And I'd hope that the student would get some pleasure in the classes as well, it's not sheer torture the whole time.
Look at it from another perspective. That is 45 hours total - 40 hours is considered standard for a full-time job, and it is not uncommon to get more than that, especially for those not paid by the hour. Nothing really catastrophic.
Quote from: 1 on February 12, 2023, 02:40:01 PM
60, not 116. You seem to have forgotten to subtract the 56.
Whoops. However 60 hours is still a reasonable amount of liesure time.
Someone should delete this post and lock the thread at 999 replies.
A couple of things that bear mentioning:
-Summer internships are standard these days. In fact, many employers expect multiple internships even from entry level candidates these days. Not having one is basically shooting yourself in the foot, and many colleges even require one to graduate.
-While time spent in school won't count against you (unless you never do internships or anything similarly professionally related outside the classroom), time after school likely would. Pretty much everyone I knew in college had their next step, be it a job or getting a Master's, lined up before they graduated, often months in advance.
Quote from: Rothman on February 12, 2023, 12:51:26 AM
But to say that the education/college path was not something anyone other than the middle class was exposed to is a denial of some of the most important and historical socioeconomic shifts in our country (i.e., the brain drain).
That's not really what I'm saying. I was pointing out that the notion that someone *has* to (or least is very much expected to) go to college was never a thing outside of the middle class. Of course people from the lower and upper classes have gone and do go to college, but it was way less of an
expectation due to a multitude of constraints. They may not have enough money to pay for it all. The family might need the student at home to help out. There might be an elderly person with care needs. Or, the reverse. There might be so much generational wealth or some kind of rich family business to inherit that college is more optional. Potential students might not see the worth in attending. And so on and so forth.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2023, 04:03:35 PM
Someone should delete this post and lock the thread at 999 replies.
I wouldn't mind if this discussion continued on some kind of other forum, but that's easier said than done.
Quote from: vdeane on February 12, 2023, 04:07:17 PM
-While time spent in school won't count against you (unless you never do internships or anything similarly professionally related outside the classroom), time after school likely would. Pretty much everyone I knew in college had their next step, be it a job or getting a Master's, lined up before they graduated, often months in advance.
College does serve as kind of a "buffer" in that it gives you 3-4 more years to figure things out, which I imagine is better than graduating high school and being plopped right down into the professional world.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2023, 04:03:35 PM
Someone should delete this post and lock the thread at 999 replies.
It will get locked soon and restarted someplace else. Remember this is just MMM in One Thread under a new title and different thread.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2023, 04:03:35 PM
Someone should delete this post and lock the thread at 999 replies.
Guess we have to wait for 9999 now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 02:55:32 PM
elderly need 7 hours minimum.
I am approaching that - and I'm lucky if I get 5.5-6 hours. Once in a while 6.5. The only time I get 7 is if I'm sick.
Anecdotally, I've heard of many older adults who get far less sleep. They may be in bed for 6, 7 or 8 hours, but they only sleep for 2 or 3 of them.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
10 hours of sleep minimum for people under age 21 is needed for a healthy brain, and at least 9 hours up to age 25 (neuroscience supports this). In fact, part of the reason it took me 5 years was because I only chose classes at 10:30 am and later, and sometimes I couldn't find anything that fit so I put off that particular class until the next semester..etc. I fall asleep at 10:30 to 11 pm generally every night and can't really function getting up earlier than 7:30-8 am, and I will be looking for job hours that suits this criteria also. I'd even sacrifice lunch hour if necessary to get the extra hour of sleep. Sleep deprivation is the most dangerous health risk with a job out of most other factors.
Nobody my age gets 10 hours of sleep, that's absurd. I get 6-8 hours every night and that's good enough.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 12, 2023, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2023, 04:03:35 PM
Someone should delete this post and lock the thread at 999 replies.
Guess we have to wait for 9999 now.
I have something special in mind for Reply #9001.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 12, 2023, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 12, 2023, 12:51:26 AM
But to say that the education/college path was not something anyone other than the middle class was exposed to is a denial of some of the most important and historical socioeconomic shifts in our country (i.e., the brain drain).
That's not really what I'm saying. I was pointing out that the notion that someone *has* to (or least is very much expected to) go to college was never a thing outside of the middle class. Of course people from the lower and upper classes have gone and do go to college, but it was way less of an expectation due to a multitude of constraints. They may not have enough money to pay for it all. The family might need the student at home to help out. There might be an elderly person with care needs. Or, the reverse. There might be so much generational wealth or some kind of rich family business to inherit that college is more optional. Potential students might not see the worth in attending. And so on and so forth.
And, if you would read the rest of my posts, you'd see that wasn't the case and the desperation for economic stability and safe jobs for the kids drove the need -- not the want -- that parents felt that the kids had to go to college.
And, just like not everyone made it out to go to college amongst the poor classes that my parents were part of, not all of my middle and upper class classmates went to college, either.
Quote from: vdeane on February 12, 2023, 04:07:17 PM
-Summer internships are standard these days. In fact, many employers expect multiple internships even from entry level candidates these days. Not having one is basically shooting yourself in the foot, and many colleges even require one to graduate.
Unpaid internships should be ruled to be illegal under the Fair Labor Standards Act.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 12, 2023, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 12, 2023, 04:07:17 PM
-Summer internships are standard these days. In fact, many employers expect multiple internships even from entry level candidates these days. Not having one is basically shooting yourself in the foot, and many colleges even require one to graduate.
Unpaid internships should be ruled to be illegal under the Fair Labor Standards Act.
100% agreed.
And internships required to graduate? Pfft. Again, bar set WAY too high these days. And they should come with similar benefits and guaranteed minimum wage.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 12, 2023, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
10 hours of sleep minimum for people under age 21 is needed for a healthy brain, and at least 9 hours up to age 25 (neuroscience supports this). In fact, part of the reason it took me 5 years was because I only chose classes at 10:30 am and later, and sometimes I couldn't find anything that fit so I put off that particular class until the next semester..etc. I fall asleep at 10:30 to 11 pm generally every night and can't really function getting up earlier than 7:30-8 am, and I will be looking for job hours that suits this criteria also. I'd even sacrifice lunch hour if necessary to get the extra hour of sleep. Sleep deprivation is the most dangerous health risk with a job out of most other factors.
Nobody my age gets 10 hours of sleep, that's absurd. I get 6-8 hours every night and that's good enough.
Just because you're used to it doesn't mean it's healthy. Yes there is some natural variation in sleep with some people only needing 6 hours and others needing 12, but 10 is a very standard amount for the rapidly developing adolescent brain. And sleep deprivation during that crucial period is dangerous and often leads to severe mental health disorders, and mental health issues have less chance of successful treatment if onset is in adolescence. I got 7-8 hours sleep most nights in high school and was always tired for the first half of the day.
Well, some people may fall behind the curve in terms of development, but this seems to be a standard graph:
(https://www.eossleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NSF-Sleep-Duration-Recommendations-e1423700945827.png)
They must have adjusted that to make it seem more compatible with today's society. There's no way a young teen can go as low as 7 hours consistently. And some of the younger kid sleep needs are a little high, I don't ever remember sleeping 12-13 hours when I was an elementary school kid (I'd be restless at 7 am sometimes) Kids ages 5-10 always complaining about bed times being too early, and teens being tired all the time, they've got something backward. From what I learned in my psychology classes and neuroscience textbooks, it usually doesn't even fall below 10 hours until around 18 ideally. Society should schedule things more heavily based on circadian sleep rhythms rather than meal times. So many days I don't even really get hungry until around 6 pm anyway, so I could easily do a day's work without food. My energy comes from sleep, not so much from food. And even the author of the small book: "Life lessons from a Brain Surgeon", admits that there's no good evidence that breakfast is an important meal and recommends skipping it every day, but emphasizes how important continuous sleep is. Maybe work days should run more from 11 am to 6 pm without a lunch hour, instead of 9-5, to allow more sleep.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 07:47:06 PM
They must have adjusted that to make it seem more compatible with today's society. There's no way a young teen can go as low as 7 hours consistently. And some of the younger kid sleep needs are a little high, I don't ever remember sleeping 12-13 hours when I was an elementary school kid (I'd be restless at 7 am sometimes) Kids ages 5-10 always complaining about bed times being too early, and teens being tired all the time, they've got something backward. From what I learned in my psychology classes and neuroscience textbooks, it usually doesn't even fall below 10 hours until around 18 ideally. Society should schedule things more heavily based on circadian sleep rhythms rather than meal times. So many days I don't even really get hungry until around 6 pm anyway, so I could easily do a day's work without food. My energy comes from sleep, not so much from food. And even the author of the small book: "Life lessons from a Brain Surgeon", admits that there's no good evidence that breakfast is an important meal and recommends skipping it every day, but emphasizes how important continuous sleep is. Maybe work days should run more from 11 am to 6 pm without a lunch hour, instead of 9-5, to allow more sleep.
I am sorry if I did already ask, but what kind of work you did that would allow for 8 hours with no meal break?
I usually schedule my work hours as 9:30 AM-6 PM or 10:30 AM-7 PM. I don't do this for extra sleep but rather more morning hours for which I can spend exercising. As I already noted, I do the majority of my runs usually before sunrise. I absolutely hate going to lift at the gym after work and would rather go during normal commute hours when I'm done running (outdoors). Then again, I've controlled my down schedule for close to twenty years at this point. My real preference would be four days on for ten hours or four at the office and one work from home.
Personally as a salaried person I rather just cut the 30 minute BS lunch period. It's so rare that I take a sit down period for a lunch that rather just cash in the 30 minutes as time off. Most of the other department managers take an hour (for some reason) that I kind of just play along with it by scheduling myself 8.5 hours. I usually eat while I'm working several times through the day.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 07:47:06 PM
They must have adjusted that to make it seem more compatible with today's society. There's no way a young teen can go as low as 7 hours consistently. And some of the younger kid sleep needs are a little high, I don't ever remember sleeping 12-13 hours when I was an elementary school kid (I'd be restless at 7 am sometimes) Kids ages 5-10 always complaining about bed times being too early, and teens being tired all the time, they've got something backward. From what I learned in my psychology classes and neuroscience textbooks, it usually doesn't even fall below 10 hours until around 18 ideally. Society should schedule things more heavily based on circadian sleep rhythms rather than meal times. So many days I don't even really get hungry until around 6 pm anyway, so I could easily do a day's work without food. My energy comes from sleep, not so much from food. And even the author of the small book: "Life lessons from a Brain Surgeon", admits that there's no good evidence that breakfast is an important meal and recommends skipping it every day, but emphasizes how important continuous sleep is. Maybe work days should run more from 11 am to 6 pm without a lunch hour, instead of 9-5, to allow more sleep.
If there's one thing MMM has in common with the rest of the forum, it's passing off his personal experiences as being absolute fact for everyone.
Best time on a bike or on foot running? There is a substantial difference in the amount of impact between the two exercises. My best mile running all time was 5 minutes, 14 seconds. I usually average about 7 minutes, 10 seconds per mile on a distance run like the 13.5 miles I described earlier.
From my own observation the impact of 3.5 miles of cycling is similar to that of 1 mile running. That probably explains why I don't cycle for distance much these days. It way harder to maintain a sustained pace on a bike in an urban area traffic (especially around Fresno) whereas I can go almost anywhere I want running unobstructed. I do enjoy taking my mountain bike out on OHV roads in the Sierra Nevada Mountains though.
Quote from: thspfc on February 12, 2023, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 07:47:06 PM
They must have adjusted that to make it seem more compatible with today's society. There's no way a young teen can go as low as 7 hours consistently. And some of the younger kid sleep needs are a little high, I don't ever remember sleeping 12-13 hours when I was an elementary school kid (I'd be restless at 7 am sometimes) Kids ages 5-10 always complaining about bed times being too early, and teens being tired all the time, they've got something backward. From what I learned in my psychology classes and neuroscience textbooks, it usually doesn't even fall below 10 hours until around 18 ideally. Society should schedule things more heavily based on circadian sleep rhythms rather than meal times. So many days I don't even really get hungry until around 6 pm anyway, so I could easily do a day's work without food. My energy comes from sleep, not so much from food. And even the author of the small book: "Life lessons from a Brain Surgeon", admits that there's no good evidence that breakfast is an important meal and recommends skipping it every day, but emphasizes how important continuous sleep is. Maybe work days should run more from 11 am to 6 pm without a lunch hour, instead of 9-5, to allow more sleep.
If there's one thing MMM has in common with the rest of the forum, it's passing off his personal experiences as being absolute fact for everyone.
"Life Lessons from a Brain Surgeon"
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Quote from: thspfc on February 12, 2023, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 07:47:06 PM
They must have adjusted that to make it seem more compatible with today's society. There's no way a young teen can go as low as 7 hours consistently. And some of the younger kid sleep needs are a little high, I don't ever remember sleeping 12-13 hours when I was an elementary school kid (I'd be restless at 7 am sometimes) Kids ages 5-10 always complaining about bed times being too early, and teens being tired all the time, they've got something backward. From what I learned in my psychology classes and neuroscience textbooks, it usually doesn't even fall below 10 hours until around 18 ideally. Society should schedule things more heavily based on circadian sleep rhythms rather than meal times. So many days I don't even really get hungry until around 6 pm anyway, so I could easily do a day's work without food. My energy comes from sleep, not so much from food. And even the author of the small book: "Life lessons from a Brain Surgeon", admits that there's no good evidence that breakfast is an important meal and recommends skipping it every day, but emphasizes how important continuous sleep is. Maybe work days should run more from 11 am to 6 pm without a lunch hour, instead of 9-5, to allow more sleep.
If there's one thing MMM has in common with the rest of the forum, it's passing off his personal experiences as being absolute fact for everyone.
Well, even MMM is not perfect in defying every common approach!
Quote from: Bruce on February 11, 2023, 03:16:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/88iGakv.png)
I think we've reached the point where this is the norm, and it's actually a surprise to see another thread pop up.
Imagine chugging along on Tioga Pass Road at 17 MPH. And I thought 35 MPH on the Wawona Road was slow...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 09:41:01 PM
Well the ticketing systems wouldn't trigger until 23 mph, so I'm giving a very generous enforcement leeway. Be thankful prime numbers are spread out.
I could always just remove my license plates and flip off the photo radar camera (like I once did a 1993 Camaro Z/28). It's not as though the NPS regularly patrols much less likely cares about someone not having a plate on (California thing).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 10:10:13 PM
Lincoln Hwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/s5hGphgkQFVh4YyL6
What a reckless roadway! Both cars are closing in on each other at over 150 mph if both are going the speed limit of 75-80mph! All one driver needs to do is accidentally drift 3 feet and they're both dead. Even with high visibility, you aren't going to be able to tell if the car is going to hit you at those speeds. Since there's no other poles in that region, the speed cameras would have to go right on the giant 67 mph speed limit signs (which would trigger at over 71 mph). Maybe even put a few highway patrol officers along this route. And I'm also being genius of recommending a fine of only $97 instead of $101, choosing the lower prime number around $100.
Sounds like someone isn't familiar with their Lincoln Highway history. Have a look where the Lincoln Highway was through Bean Flat back during 1913:
https://www.lincolnhighwayassoc.org/map/
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Oh and I've amended my national speed limit guidelines for non-limited access routes:
11 mph in Parking Lots/Toll Plazas
17 mph in Cemeteries/Park Type "Roads"
37 mph on State Routes
47 mph on US Routes
67 mph on major cross-country Routes like US 50
Speed Cameras would trigger once you've exceeded the next prime number over each speed limit.
If you're curious about my speed limits for freeways and interstates, I would say the only options should be 75 mph, 80 mph, or 90 mph, with 120 mph/Unlimited on cross country x0 and x5 Interstates. Trucks would still be limited to a maximum of 90 mph.
So US 20 through downtown Waltham MA should be speed limit 67?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 13, 2023, 12:40:07 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Oh and I've amended my national speed limit guidelines for non-limited access routes:
11 mph in Parking Lots/Toll Plazas
17 mph in Cemeteries/Park Type "Roads"
37 mph on State Routes
47 mph on US Routes
67 mph on major cross-country Routes like US 50
Speed Cameras would trigger once you've exceeded the next prime number over each speed limit.
If you're curious about my speed limits for freeways and interstates, I would say the only options should be 75 mph, 80 mph, or 90 mph, with 120 mph/Unlimited on cross country x0 and x5 Interstates. Trucks would still be limited to a maximum of 90 mph.
So US 20 through downtown Waltham MA should be speed limit 67?
And US 30 & 40 will both be 11 and 67 mph at the same time?
I'm generally one to advocate for road diets and slowing the fuck down in built-up areas, but this is ridiculous. Park roads vary wildly in design and the appropriate speeds for Paradise Road at Mount Rainier versus Bryce Canyon Road are not going to be the same. How about we leave it to the professionals?
Conversely, the "only" speed limits suggested for freeways are far too high. Sure, I-80 in Nebraska would be a fine place for high limits, but in an urban or mountainous area you can forget about going above the current limits. Try doing Siskiyou Summit on I-5 at 90 mph, you'll fly off into a canyon.
With MMM's plans
17 MPH:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5059238,-117.224933,3a,75y,210.18h,82.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEao3Ik7V6J9Zq9fHEOCtyw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DEao3Ik7V6J9Zq9fHEOCtyw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D102.03075%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
67 MPH
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2954357,-76.5882538,3a,75y,285.98h,84.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spzIh6WqyYSNk7VflBxPYLQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DpzIh6WqyYSNk7VflBxPYLQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D216.31633%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 12, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Oh and I've amended my national speed limit guidelines for non-limited access routes:
11 mph in Parking Lots/Toll Plazas
17 mph in Cemeteries/Park Type "Roads"
37 mph on State Routes
47 mph on US Routes
67 mph on major cross-country Routes like US 50
Speed Cameras would trigger once you've exceeded the next prime number over each speed limit.
If you're curious about my speed limits for freeways and interstates, I would say the only options should be 75 mph, 80 mph, or 90 mph, with 120 mph/Unlimited on cross country x0 and x5 Interstates. Trucks would still be limited to a maximum of 90 mph.
Those should be 12.5, 19, 37, 47 and 68!
I must have missed it MMM, what is the prime number obsession all about?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Dollar bills should also come in Prime denominations. 3s, 7s, and 997s.
I've thought about this, but with coins rather than bills. Using a base-36 system, with five coins, you can pay for anything up to 34 with three or fewer coins if those coins have values 1, 3, 8, 12, and 18, and x.35 would be very easy to make change for (pay the $1 and receive one of the smallest coins back).
1, 4, 6, 14, and 15 can get you slightly farther with "three coins only", but that set is a much weirder combination.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Because I don't see how speed limits based on even figures or multiples of 5 is any safer? Might as well use actually interesting numbers. Dollar bills should also come in Prime denominations. 3s, 7s, and 997s.
Why is a prime number "interesting", from a functional standpoint at least?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Dollar bills should also come in Prime denominations. 3s, 7s, and 997s.
Having worked with both cash and the General Public and seen people's brain explode when dealing with such exotic denominations as $2 and $50, I can assure you this is an incredibly bad idea.
Also keep in mind that institutions like banks and casinos tend to deal with bills in bricks and straps, and fractions thereof. If someone can't figure out what the dollar amount of 50 pieces of one them is instantly, it's a failed denomination. (This is part of the reason why $50s are less used than $100s.)
My mom's 1975 high school yearbook had a cover designed to look like a $75 bill. I always thought that would be a really funny idea to have in real life because of how unreasonable it was. Sometimes to kill time I would bring it up at work as a thought experiment. Pretty much all of my coworkers reacted with amused revulsion to the idea, usually pretending to count them out ("75-150-1...aaaaaa what comes next?") or imagining how weird it would be to have a strap worth $7500.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Dollar bills should also come in Prime denominations. 3s, 7s, and 997s.
Having worked with both cash and the General Public and seen people's brain explode when dealing with such exotic denominations as $2 and $50, I can assure you this is an incredibly bad idea.
Also keep in mind that institutions like banks and casinos tend to deal with bills in bricks and straps, and fractions thereof. If someone can't figure out what the dollar amount of 50 pieces of one them is instantly, it's a failed denomination. (This is part of the reason why $50s are less used than $100s.)
My mom's 1975 high school yearbook had a cover designed to look like a $75 bill. I always thought that would be a really funny idea to have in real life because of how unreasonable it was. Sometimes to kill time I would bring it up at work as a thought experiment. Pretty much all of my coworkers reacted with amused revulsion to the idea, usually pretending to count them out ("75-150-1...aaaaaa what comes next?") or imagining how weird it would be to have a strap worth $7500.
TD Bank's ATMs give out 3 denominations of bills: $5's, $20's and $50's. I find that interesting that they would give out $50's for the reasons you mentioned. The machine even defaults to that on withdrawals of $200 and above, although the user can revise the selection to the denominations they want.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2023, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Dollar bills should also come in Prime denominations. 3s, 7s, and 997s.
Having worked with both cash and the General Public and seen people's brain explode when dealing with such exotic denominations as $2 and $50, I can assure you this is an incredibly bad idea.
Also keep in mind that institutions like banks and casinos tend to deal with bills in bricks and straps, and fractions thereof. If someone can't figure out what the dollar amount of 50 pieces of one them is instantly, it's a failed denomination. (This is part of the reason why $50s are less used than $100s.)
My mom's 1975 high school yearbook had a cover designed to look like a $75 bill. I always thought that would be a really funny idea to have in real life because of how unreasonable it was. Sometimes to kill time I would bring it up at work as a thought experiment. Pretty much all of my coworkers reacted with amused revulsion to the idea, usually pretending to count them out ("75-150-1...aaaaaa what comes next?") or imagining how weird it would be to have a strap worth $7500.
TD Bank's ATMs give out 3 denominations of bills: $5's, $20's and $50's. I find that interesting that they would give out $50's for the reasons you mentioned. The machine even defaults to that on withdrawals of $200 and above, although the user can revise the selection to the denominations they want.
I guess this is some standard ATM dealing with 3 denominations. There are 5,10,20,50,100 ($1 are too small, $2 are exotic) - bank has to pick 3, and I saw some funny combinations as a result. Can be different even across ATMs of same bank.
And if 50s are too difficult, how about 5s?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 09:03:06 AM
No those 2 would obvious be the other way around, those were general guidelines. And of course all mountainous curves would have my proposed driver assist fans installed and speed ticketing cameras and lower limits on those specific curves. So that section of I-90 and the mountains of I-70 where the truck accident happened, would likely only be 37 or 47 mph.
Pretty useless guidelines I see
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 13, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 09:03:06 AM
No those 2 would obvious be the other way around, those were general guidelines. And of course all mountainous curves would have my proposed driver assist fans installed and speed ticketing cameras and lower limits on those specific curves. So that section of I-90 and the mountains of I-70 where the truck accident happened, would likely only be 37 or 47 mph.
Pretty useless guidelines I see
37 MPH is 59.5 km/h, rounding to 60. 47 MPH is 75.6 km/h, rounding to 75.
All that "prime" stuff is just a backdoor for metrication...
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2023, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 13, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 09:03:06 AM
No those 2 would obvious be the other way around, those were general guidelines. And of course all mountainous curves would have my proposed driver assist fans installed and speed ticketing cameras and lower limits on those specific curves. So that section of I-90 and the mountains of I-70 where the truck accident happened, would likely only be 37 or 47 mph.
Pretty useless guidelines I see
37 MPH is 59.5 km/h, rounding to 60. 47 MPH is 75.6 km/h, rounding to 75.
All that "prime" stuff is just a backdoor for metrication...
So then not all of MMM's ideas are bad.
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2023, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2023, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Dollar bills should also come in Prime denominations. 3s, 7s, and 997s.
Having worked with both cash and the General Public and seen people's brain explode when dealing with such exotic denominations as $2 and $50, I can assure you this is an incredibly bad idea.
Also keep in mind that institutions like banks and casinos tend to deal with bills in bricks and straps, and fractions thereof. If someone can't figure out what the dollar amount of 50 pieces of one them is instantly, it's a failed denomination. (This is part of the reason why $50s are less used than $100s.)
My mom's 1975 high school yearbook had a cover designed to look like a $75 bill. I always thought that would be a really funny idea to have in real life because of how unreasonable it was. Sometimes to kill time I would bring it up at work as a thought experiment. Pretty much all of my coworkers reacted with amused revulsion to the idea, usually pretending to count them out ("75-150-1...aaaaaa what comes next?") or imagining how weird it would be to have a strap worth $7500.
TD Bank's ATMs give out 3 denominations of bills: $5's, $20's and $50's. I find that interesting that they would give out $50's for the reasons you mentioned. The machine even defaults to that on withdrawals of $200 and above, although the user can revise the selection to the denominations they want.
I guess this is some standard ATM dealing with 3 denominations. There are 5,10,20,50,100 ($1 are too small, $2 are exotic) - bank has to pick 3, and I saw some funny combinations as a result. Can be different even across ATMs of same bank.
And if 50s are too difficult, how about 5s?
Maybe if the machines are different, or in a different setting (casinos would provide 20's, 50's and 100's). TD Bank appears to maintain a common denom distribution though with their machines
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2023, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 13, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 09:03:06 AM
No those 2 would obvious be the other way around, those were general guidelines. And of course all mountainous curves would have my proposed driver assist fans installed and speed ticketing cameras and lower limits on those specific curves. So that section of I-90 and the mountains of I-70 where the truck accident happened, would likely only be 37 or 47 mph.
Pretty useless guidelines I see
37 MPH is 59.5 km/h, rounding to 60. 47 MPH is 75.6 km/h, rounding to 75.
All that "prime" stuff is just a backdoor for metrication...
Metric Speed Limits (almost?) never end in 5.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6X1UPTTX9ByjEEFA8?g_st=ic
(yes, I know it's not an official sign)
So they should post an 88 k/ph than 90 k/ph so it is equivalent to 55 mph?^^^^^
No, but a 109 km/h that also converts to around 67 mph.
The 99 is an age old tactic to trick you into thinking you're paying $1 less. Instead of $10 they use $9.99 to trick ur mind.
But with sevens, if it costs $20, you're going to need two sevens and two threes. That's harder than taking out a $20 bill.
You'll see threes and sevens all the time, but twos are still rare enough that you won't see them often.
We really need to use our $2 bill like Canada uses it's Tunie or Toonie or however it's spelled ( I don't need a preaching from the two MIT users today on spelling correctness).
Let's go back to the old system.
US minimum wage per hour = 2s5d
MA minimum wage per hour = 5s
Local Uber ride = 3s4d
Fixed price point stores (currently dollar stores) = 6d
Steak at Texas Roadhouse, Outback Steakhouse, Longhorn Steakhouse, etc. = 5s
TF2/Dota 2/CS:GO key = 10d
Flickr Pro = £1 4s yearly or 2s9d monthly
Minecraft purchase = 10s
Vehicle inspection = 13s4d
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 13, 2023, 08:01:10 PM
The 99 is an age old tactic to trick you into thinking you’re paying $1 less. Instead of $10 they use $9.99 to trick ur mind.
To me its the opposite, it's seems more expensive like $3.99 is alot more than 3 dollars even though it's the same as 4, whereas $4.00 even sounds like ONLY 4.
Not to the heads at Harvard who have been the Authors of sales tactics for generations. It’s their MO that introduces assessment tests to employers to weed out those on the spectrum in potential employee hiring.
They’ve figured out the system from tests on the human mind. That’s how they know who you’re going to vote for next election.
I got premium gas yesterday because it was easier to work with $3.999 ($4) than $3.19.9
You don't like $0.99 cause it's 99. Why propose a 33 cent coin then?
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a better interstate than I-80.
MTO in Ontario should change all the Maximum 100 signs to Maximum 99 signs. :D :D :D
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 08:22:11 PM
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a better interstate than I-80.
In Paris, everything was rounded to the nearest 0,10€, but ,90 didn't really seem to be a thing. Prices tended to be integers or half integers.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 08:22:11 PM
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a better interstate than I-80.
I will consider that opinion once I-90 becomes a continuous interstate. Right now it only exists in 2 separate stretches (west of Indiana and East of Ohio). Once that gap is complete I promise I will have no bias in ranking I-80 and I-90!
:paranoid:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:23:10 PM
I'm not afraid of I-99. It's interstate 99 that has the suspicious cult like nature to it. Other numbers that happen to end in 99 don't bother me. I mean when you consider adding up the 2 stretches of I-99 the total distance is 99 miles, and the fact that one of the stretches is 86 miles by itself, and the other stretch happens to end at I-86, it should be obvious to the average person how weird and suspicious this is..
What
99 a cult number? I think u got it upside down. It's 666.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 08:22:11 PM
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a better interstate than I-80.
I will consider that opinion once I-90 becomes a continuous interstate. Right now it only exists in 2 separate stretches (west of Indiana and East of Ohio). Once that gap is complete I promise I will have no bias in ranking I-80 and I-90!
Ugh both the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike are I-90.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 08:22:11 PM
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a better interstate than I-80.
I will consider that opinion once I-90 becomes a continuous interstate. Right now it only exists in 2 separate stretches (west of Indiana and East of Ohio). Once that gap is complete I promise I will have no bias in ranking I-80 and I-90!
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a more continuous interstate than I-80 (which only exists in 2 separate stretches, west of I-294 in Illinois and east of Ohio).
I believe MMM ideas belong on a Check Out Stand tabloid. He might as well say he saw a UFO than admit choppers and grappling hooks are the answer to runaway trucks.
This would even be more interesting to know that MMM even exists.
A little tip for Costco shoppers. Prices that end in certain numbers usually indicate savings:
$*.97 = Clearance across multiple stores
$*.79 = Manufacturer discount
$*.00 = One-store clearance, last chance
Imagine what ole MMM would say about I-80 if he had to contend with chain controls along the curves of the Truckee River Canyon.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
You got it backward man! I-80 is the continuous one that the I-90 bootlegs off of. I-90 is the one that drops down to violate I-80, I-80 maintains the same latitude so it has the right-of-way (literally). Also, I-90 temporarily joins a triple concurrency in Wisconsin which disqualifies it even more. Also, more of I-90 is a toll road (in NY and MA) whereas I-80 in PA and NJ is free. So nope, I-80 remains undefeated.
Oh so Washington is wrong with allowing I-90 to concur with I-80? So those signs are useless even with AASHTO saying they're not.
I-80
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1ch28QMS8pY1EFy37
Beautiful! And besides I-80 in Stroudsburg is much more of a death trap than this.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
You got it backward man! I-80 is the continuous one that the I-90 bootlegs off of. I-90 is the one that drops down to violate I-80, I-80 maintains the same latitude so it has the right-of-way (literally). Also, I-90 temporarily joins a triple concurrency in Wisconsin which disqualifies it even more. Also, more of I-90 is a toll road (in NY and MA) whereas I-80 in PA and NJ is free. So nope, I-80 remains undefeated.
I got it forward. I-90 is the continuous one that the I-80 bootlegs off of. I-80 also has to bootleg off of I-294 and I-94. How pathetic.
Or I-80 has to use a substandard old US 611 areterial through the Delaware Water Gap.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:39:20 PM
I-80
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1ch28QMS8pY1EFy37
Beautiful! And besides I-80 in Stroudsburg is much more of a death trap than this.
Try the whole thing in the Sierra Nevadas on for size:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/interstate-80-in-sierra-nevada-mountains.html?m=1
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 08:43:09 PMTry the whole thing in the Sierra Nevadas on for size:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/interstate-80-in-sierra-nevada-mountains.html?m=1
Were the "Let 'er drift" signs still on I-80 when you did the field research and photography?
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 13, 2023, 09:08:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 08:43:09 PMTry the whole thing in the Sierra Nevadas on for size:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/interstate-80-in-sierra-nevada-mountains.html?m=1
Were the "Let 'er drift" signs still on I-80 when you did the field research and photography?
Don't recall seeing them. Might be buried in the Flickr version of my photos:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/dtTwQ75i70
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 08:22:11 PM
Prices should end in $0.90 to commemorate that I-90 is a better interstate than I-80.
:popcorn:
For a second I thought MMM was going to go on about the gap on I-90 in Chicago that needs to be filled with the Hypotenuse.
Quote from: vdeane on February 13, 2023, 09:35:45 PM
For a second I thought MMM was going to go on about the gap on I-90 in Chicago that needs to be filled with the Hypotenuse.
I-90 just goes out of its way to violate I-80. I'm sure if we questioned I-90 it was just say "I-80 was asking for it."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
I-90 is the one that drops down to violate I-80
Quote from: roadman65 on February 13, 2023, 07:54:50 PM
So they should post an 88 k/ph than 90 k/ph so it is equivalent to 55 mph?^^^^^
When this baby hits 88 km/h, you're going to see some moderate shit.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
You got it backward man! I-80 is the continuous one that the I-90 bootlegs off of. I-90 is the one that drops down to violate I-80, I-80 maintains the same latitude so it has the right-of-way (literally). Also, I-90 temporarily joins a triple concurrency in Wisconsin which disqualifies it even more. Also, more of I-90 is a toll road (in NY and MA) whereas I-80 in PA and NJ is free. So nope, I-80 remains undefeated.
I got it forward. I-90 is the continuous one that the I-80 bootlegs off of. I-80 also has to bootleg off of I-294 and I-94. How pathetic.
Interstate highways running alongside each other cannot be thought of in the same way as special relativity. It can't be seen as either way. The road that continues a mostly straight path is the one being violated. I-90 obnoxiously dips down and invades I-80 for almost 300 miles, only to fly back up north again. I-80 is just minding its own business heading east/west and I-90 trespasses on its roadway for that long a distance.
Oh and BTW, Chatgpt generally agreed with me that I-80 extension east into Long Island is a logical plan.
Interstate highways running alongside each other can be thought of in the same way as special relativity. It can be seen as either way. The road that is better is the one not being violated. And I-90 is better than I-80. We can see this by it having a higher number, because having more of something is better than not having more of it. I-80 is a sorry excuse for a business because it doesn't have as many deals or specials, or even managers. I-80 is a public right of way, like an easement, and therefore I-90 cannot be prosecuted for trespassing upon it.
ELIZA agreed with me that I am right about everything all the time.
(https://i.imgur.com/K3rQHgi.png)
Eliza (the program Emacs Doctor mode was based on) could be a lot of fun. They had it set up for visitors to the Lawrence Hall of Science in the early 1970s. I talked to "her" for half an hour.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
Oh and BTW, Chatgpt generally agreed with me that I-80 extension east into Long Island is a logical plan.
Is this a new indicator of credibility for use in regular conversation? Already? :eyebrow:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 13, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
Oh and BTW, Chatgpt generally agreed with me that I-80 extension east into Long Island is a logical plan.
I guess Chatgpt is the new Wallethub.
I mean, you can make a computer say whatever you want.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use feature 'say';
if(90 > 80)
{
say "I-90 is the best interstate";
}
else
{
say "I-80 is the best interstate";
}
Quote
[scott@localhost prog]$ ./bestinterstate.pl
I-90 is the best interstate
I-90 saying to itself: “ I’m not the longest US interstate. Lake Michigan and Ontario ruined that for me. I’m only cheating as I dipped down to I-80 and hitched a ride with it and then later returned to my place on the grid.”
I-90 has a better content rating, more revisions, and more pageviews than I-80 on Wikipedia, therefore it's more important.
(https://i.imgur.com/4NWtYbx.png)
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 03:30:33 AM
I-90 has a better content rating, more revisions, and more pageviews than I-80 on Wikipedia, therefore it's more important.
(https://i.imgur.com/4NWtYbx.png)
As much as I agree with you, aren't you a bit biased, considering you're the one who made I-90 a FA? :-P
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 14, 2023, 03:42:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 03:30:33 AM
I-90 has a better content rating, more revisions, and more pageviews than I-80 on Wikipedia, therefore it's more important.
(https://i.imgur.com/4NWtYbx.png)
As much as I agree with you, aren't you a bit biased, considering you're the one who made I-90 a FA? :-P
shh, don't tell! ;)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 09:12:41 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on February 13, 2023, 09:08:12 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 08:43:09 PMTry the whole thing in the Sierra Nevadas on for size:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/interstate-80-in-sierra-nevada-mountains.html?m=1
Were the "Let 'er drift" signs still on I-80 when you did the field research and photography?
Don't recall seeing them. Might be buried in the Flickr version of my photos:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/dtTwQ75i70
Thanks for this--it looks like you wouldn't have seen them, if they are still there, since you were headed in the uphill direction. They were installed in the 1980's (or possibly the late 1970's) for the benefit of westbound truck traffic since I-80 has a 40-mile length of nearly continuous 5% downhill grade until Auburn. They were still in place as late as 2002, but I don't know if they survived the multiple rehabilitation contracts that covered the length between Roseville and Donner Pass in the late 2000's and early 2010's.
Faced with the problem of transporting many people and cars across a body of water, some places use hovercraft. Which I guess could be said to be "very low flying cargo planes".
I hate it when they get full of eels, though.
Quote from: algorerhythms on February 14, 2023, 03:16:36 PM
I hate it when they get full of eels, though.
Don't worry, they are plenty charged up from all those people throwing their used car batteries into the ocean.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 14, 2023, 03:42:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 03:30:33 AM
I-90 has a better content rating, more revisions, and more pageviews than I-80 on Wikipedia, therefore it's more important.
(https://i.imgur.com/4NWtYbx.png)
As much as I agree with you, aren't you a bit biased, considering you're the one who made I-90 a FA? :-P
I am 100% unbiased. Now excuse me while I go wash my I-90 shirt for the millionth time.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--4Dt8n5xk--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_crop,x_10,y_10/c_fit,w_470/c_crop,g_north_west,h_626,w_470,x_0,y_0/g_north_west,u_upload:v1462829024:production:blanks:a59x1cgomgu5lprfjlmi,x_-395,y_-325/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_auto,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1635931535/production/designs/25320847_0.jpg)
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
I need my Souky mug.
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
Get some US 99 and CA 99 merch going also.
And a bunch of mythical subway maps.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 14, 2023, 04:07:36 PM
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Joke's on you I'm into that shit!
FIFY
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 14, 2023, 04:07:36 PM
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Joke's on you. My mom got me an I-80 shirt for Christmas, and we'll a mini I-80 notebook that I can use to take notes. And in sporting events, competing teams should wear I-80 and I-90 shirts, that's clearer than the color differences.
Proof? I want photos.
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
How much for a Craig County?
Quote from: kkt on February 14, 2023, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
How much for a Craig County?
Jake Bear will sell you a mini replica Craig County sign for $89. (Nobody's taken us up on that yet.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 14, 2023, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 14, 2023, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
How much for a Craig County?
Jake Bear will sell you a mini replica Craig County sign for $89. (Nobody's taken us up on that yet.)
I would if I had disposable money.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 14, 2023, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 14, 2023, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
How much for a Craig County?
Jake Bear will sell you a mini replica Craig County sign for $89. (Nobody's taken us up on that yet.)
I likely would be a buyer if he made either a Kitchen-Dick Road or Brown Material Road replicas.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 14, 2023, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 14, 2023, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
How much for a Craig County?
Jake Bear will sell you a mini replica Craig County sign for $89. (Nobody's taken us up on that yet.)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1193798834/craig-county-oklahoma-county-line-sign
Tempting to try a 3d printed version...
I was going through that site and I found a street sign for Chautauqua Ave. in Norman, Oklahoma (https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1343940202/norman-oklahoma-chautauqua-avenue-street?click_key=10e73d43015b10e9da350720ef30d9597ef1a765%3A1343940202&click_sum=2cd497bf&ref=shop_home_active_27&sts=1). That's a rather specific sign (which I recognized because I used to live there). I'm wondering who requested it.
(Personally, I prefer the old red signs, though)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2023, 08:40:43 PM
I likely would be a buyer if he made either a Kitchen-Dick Road or Brown Material Road replicas.
I can make it happen if you want them.
Quote from: kalvado on February 14, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 14, 2023, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 14, 2023, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
We need an AARoads merch store, clearly. Sell some I-99 t-shirts for $99.99.
How much for a Craig County?
Jake Bear will sell you a mini replica Craig County sign for $89. (Nobody's taken us up on that yet.)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1193798834/craig-county-oklahoma-county-line-sign
Tempting to try a 3d printed version...
The prices are lower if you go through his website. https://signsbyjake.com/product/craig-county-oklahoma-county-line-sign/ (Anything on eBay or Etsy can be put on the website at the lower rates, it's just that he has over 2000 signs at this point and the process of getting them all copied to the site takes time. The savvy thing to do is find the sign you want on ebay, then PM me what you want and I'll get it put on the website for you.)
Quote from: algorerhythms on February 14, 2023, 09:57:37 PM
I was going through that site and I found a street sign for Chautauqua Ave. in Norman, Oklahoma (https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1343940202/norman-oklahoma-chautauqua-avenue-street?click_key=10e73d43015b10e9da350720ef30d9597ef1a765%3A1343940202&click_sum=2cd497bf&ref=shop_home_active_27&sts=1). That's a rather specific sign (which I recognized because I used to live there). I'm wondering who requested it.
(Personally, I prefer the old red signs, though)
It certainly helps when the principal designer is based in Norman, Oklahoma. :P (I personally prefer the green ones, which is why that's the version we went with. If someone requested a red one, though, it wouldn't be too hard to change it.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 14, 2023, 10:44:21 PM
The prices are lower if you go through his website. https://signsbyjake.com/product/craig-county-oklahoma-county-line-sign/ (Anything on eBay or Etsy can be put on the website at the lower rates, it's just that he has over 2000 signs at this point and the process of getting them all copied to the site takes time. The savvy thing to do is find the sign you want on ebay, then PM me what you want and I'll get it put on the website for you.)
Thanks - but I would rather ask for permission to use an image on that page for some personal fun stuff. I am not going into that business, just having fun.
I can pay with a copy of resulting print if I actually make things work! :sombrero:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2023, 06:58:00 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/John_Isaac_Moore.jpg)
The tenth Grand Alan was Alan Register (J-FX). Register inherited an office in disarray from his scandal-ridden predecessor, Alan Bannister. Bannister had become morose at the failure of his much-vaunted ALANCAN system, and as a result allowed the powers and duties and houseplants of the office to atrophy over the waning years of his term. The election of Register was seen as an all-but-inevitable necessity to bring new life and vitality to the office.
Register is actually quite unusual amongst the Grand Alans, as he is the only one to have served in the Dominant Parliament before taking office as Grand Alan. Most young men bestowed the name of Alan do not participate in the 3.14 Houses of Parliament at all, given that they can simply be elected as Grand Alan more or less whenever. Register, however, served capably and competently as Dominator for a good number of years before seeking the Alancy. Register made the case for his candidacy in that after the divisive Bannister administration, none could truly embody the unity of the 3.14 parliaments without having served as a member of one. He was elected in a landslide under his banner of "He Knows Where The Light Switches Are", which was seen as a much stronger slogan than Bannister's "You Can't Make Me Get Out Of Bed".
Register's first act upon taking office was to order the inside and outside of all federal buildings, bridges, and national parks painted a shade known as "Tasteful Beige". In order to avoid the "pitiful display" of another effortless campaign like Bannister's, the crime of political woosterism was codified, and an amendment to the Alanland Constitution requiring the purchase and wearing of a fish hat while campaigning for public office was enacted. (Initially, the fish hats were required to be Tasteful Beige as well, but this was quickly dropped by act of the Introspective Parliament after nine days, mostly because the Introspective Warbler at the time said beige made his hair look too provocative.)
Register was adamant that he would have the most uneventful administration of any Grand Alan. This extended to the point that he made the rounds in Quindaro Hall, terminating any federal employee that looked like they might be doing something interesting. Nevertheless, some incremental reforms did take place during Register's term of office, like standardizing the ratio of croutons to salad, regulations on fast-drying paint, establishing procedures for the sorting and storage of socks, and establishing the standard six minute, thirty-three second minimum hold time before one is allowed to speak to a customer service representative.
Despite Register's best efforts, and his skill as a negotiator in the Dominant Parliament, one intractable foreign policy issue did rise to the fore during his term. A group of federal fence painters in Porshaped Oblast were alleged by the Nimbyan Government to have carelessly applied some amount of Tasteful Beige paint to a structure on the Nimbyan side of the border. The Nimbyans allege that it was "way the hell too much" paint, while the Alanlanders contend it was only a few drips. The Proctor of Nimbya's stern directive to Quindaro to "Keep that ugly beige shit out of our Nimbya" rankled more than a few feathers among top administration staff. This touched off a protracted period of tensions with the neighboring country. The Register administration was happy to field questions regarding the possibility of military intervention, responding to them with forceful rhetoric like "You asked about that yesterday." This culminated in a speech given by Alan Register himself, best known for the quote, "What makes you think we're at war with Nimbya? That wouldn't be very interesting."
Alan Register was many things, but his story has been mostly forgotten by the populace. It is shame that all but the most weighty tomes of Alanland history gloss over his term of office–it's crucial to the understanding of the modern day situation.
Alan Register was born on 11 June 1978 in rural Gocormizant Oblast (then known as Rural Gocormizant Oblast), the second child of Otto M. Perkins and Lizbeth R. Milhous. His father had been a defector during the Great Reluctance, and first met Lizbeth while in hiding in an industrial complex in Eastwest Boscoria. Lizbeth Milhous had just enlisted as a Learner in the Eastwest Boscoria chapter of the Daughters of the Resistance, and her first assignment as Learner was to look after Otto's physical needs. When Perkins and Milhous married in 1974, both changed their surnames to Register; Lizbeth told her friends at the time that this was in order to remove certain perceived obstacles to their social and political ambitions, as both the Perkins and Milhous names would then have excluded them from various social circles and ostracized them from a great many people of influence.
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Otto and Lizbeth Register, ca. September 1975Alan's older sister, Nora, died of complications from severe ptomaine poisoning at the age of nine, when Alan was five years old. Six years later, his mother was caught up in a raid of the levitating quux depot while she was protesting there. During the scuffle, she sustained injuries to the head and especially the abdomen, and she later died of peritonitis in Otto's arms. Alan, who was eleven years old at the time, was deeply affected by witnessing his mother's death. The following week, he made a sacrificial vow to Goat Jesus that he would dedicate his life to the advancement of acquiescence, modesty, and monotony. Lying about his age, he immediately entered the workforce and quickly excelled as a night receptionist. At age sixteen, he changed jobs and began to pursue a career in chartered accountancy.
It was during his time as a chartered accountant that Alan Register responded to an advertisement seeking term workers to convert years' worth of scanned Dominant Parliament records to the recently enacted Uniform Data Preservation Protocol, which involved the use of a decoder ring, a typewriter, and a shredder. He applied for the position and was immediately promoted to Stationery Project Manager. In the course of his duties in that role, he overheard a heated encounter between two Dominators and Thurston Dangle, a disgruntled Lamplighter who had just extinguished all the lamps in parliamentary hall during session. One of the two Dominators, while Register listened on, called for punitive action against Dangle, invoked the so-called Big Stick Compact, and–because the hall was still plunged in darkness–called a special enforcement session in Bradley Antechamber. Just as the Quorum of Eight approached the rear doors, Alan Register reached over and turned the overhead lights on, saying simply, "There you go, back to work." The Quorum of Eight, stunned, moved back into the hall, and both Dangle and Register were put up for questioning. It was revealed that the electric lights had not been used since the Alan Lower Wacker administration, and by this time there was only a single Dominator left in Parliament who remembered the lights existed–and she had fallen asleep during session and wasn't even aware the lamps had been extinguished. When asked how he knew about the lights, Alan Register replied that he had seen the wiring blueprint during the course of his job as Stationery Project Manager, that the elegant monochrome had caught his attention, and that he had studied it briefly before shredding it. He also added that, according to an addendum to the Big Stick Compact, which he had also come across and read, Dangle could no longer be held for questioning or punishment, because the antecedent problem had been so quickly solved.
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Thurston Dangle(https://i.imgur.com/M4TjBLO.jpg)
the light switch plateThis incident, nicknamed the Switch Plate Affair, catapulted Alan Register to popularity among both Parliamentarians and the public alike. He was seen simultaneously as a commonsense problem solver in an era of increasing formality and ceremony, a defender of the working man during a period of civil unrest, an expert in the law during a time of perceived parliamentary incompetency, and a cool head during an age of growing political division and hostility. His appeal extended to both conservatives and liberals, to both the establishment and those who were fed up with it, to the powerful and the powerless alike. Alan Register, later describing his subsequent decision to move into politics, said: "It was hardly a decision at all. It needed to be done, so I did it." He was nominated to the Dominant Parliament within the year and served as Mediant of the Dominant for the next nine years.
Alan Bannister, Grand Alan at the time, took a keen interest in Register, and suggested that he should seek candidacy for the Alancy. By this time, Bannister had already become disenchanted of his own leadership ability and had confined himself, bedridden, to Quindaro Hall, installing an outward-facing space heater in the window as his final attempt at popular success. Seeing that nobody could make Bannister get out of bed, let alone lead Alanland in any meaningful way, Register proceeded immediately to the Registrar and registered himself in the registry as candidate for the office of Grand Alan. His preferred slogan of "Beige Is Better" was rejected by the Warbler of the Dominant Parliament, in favor of "He Knows Where The Light Switches Are" . Register attempted to correct the capitalization error, but to no avail: by the time his request was received, the promotional materials had already been printed.
Alan Register was expected to win the election by a substantial margin, and that margin only continued to grow as election day drew near. The actual results surpassed even the boldest predictions, with Register garnering 92.1% of the vote. His chief opponent, Alan Ellen, was a Nimbya sympathizer and died three days before the election but still managed to win 6.2% of the vote. The remaining 2.8% of the votes were distributed more of less evenly between Alan Spanx, Alanis Duffy, and a pony from Leggid Oblast named Lucky Alan. Two days of heavy rainfall preceded the official announcement of the election results, and the ceremony, traditionally held in the Back Yard of Quindaro Hall, was moved to the portico. During the announcer's speech, a nearby embankment became unstable from the recent rainfall, the retaining wall gave way, and several tons of subsoil, topsoil, mulch, topiaries, and root vegetables came down onto the crowd. The news outlets, of course, immediately hailed the incident with headlines like "Register Wins In A Landslide!" (capitalization errors and all). Alan Register saw it as a sign from Goat Jesus that the vow he had made at eleven had been fulfilled. He remained committed, however, to the advancement of acquiescence, modesty, and monotony, and to that end he worked consistently and unceremoniously until he was succeeded by (unknown).
Beautiful retelling of the Switch Plate Affair. I watched a documentary on topic fairly recently, heady times indeed.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 15, 2023, 12:58:44 PM
Beautiful retelling of the Switch Plate Affair. I watched a documentary on topic fairly recently, heady times indeed.
I googled this to make sure that this wasn't real.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Similar shape, but not the same technology. Could carry up to 10 cars at low altitude a 200-300 mph over both Ontario and Lack Michigan so we wouldn't have to trade land or anything. These planes could circle back and forth carrying traffic in both directions after it drops one set of cars off it carries the ones waiting on that side back across the other direction..etc.
And where would this unlimited source of energy to fuel the cargo planes come from?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 15, 2023, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Similar shape, but not the same technology. Could carry up to 10 cars at low altitude a 200-300 mph over both Ontario and Lack Michigan so we wouldn't have to trade land or anything. These planes could circle back and forth carrying traffic in both directions after it drops one set of cars off it carries the ones waiting on that side back across the other direction..etc.
And where would this unlimited source of energy to fuel the cargo planes come from?
Harnessing the power of the sun itself, of course
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Similar shape, but not the same technology. Could carry up to 10 cars at low altitude a 200-300 mph over both Ontario and Lack Michigan so we wouldn't have to trade land or anything. These planes could circle back and forth carrying traffic in both directions after it drops one set of cars off it carries the ones waiting on that side back across the other direction..etc.
You are very unbelievable. Your ideas are so wacky.
Like I said before, I wish Sam Ripley could be alive to meet a fossil like you.
I'm sure nothing would go wrong if one of those cargo planes dropped out of the sky.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
They would be nuclear powered, in combination with solar power and small booster engines using conventional fuel. I ruled out jet engine ferries as a way to increase ferry speed, so figured the air is the way to go. The route could be marked with large stationary balloons every mile with Giant I-90 symbols on them.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I'm sure there would be absolutely no consequences to numerous small nuclear explosions in the lower atmosphere.
Plus how would you get pass the climate change politicians? Nuclear is not green and the big wigs in DC would stop that before it even started.
Like your tunnel under the Rockies?
It would have to be long and straight. :bigass: Not to mention deep as parts of Lake Michigan drop below sea level.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 15, 2023, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 15, 2023, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Similar shape, but not the same technology. Could carry up to 10 cars at low altitude a 200-300 mph over both Ontario and Lack Michigan so we wouldn't have to trade land or anything. These planes could circle back and forth carrying traffic in both directions after it drops one set of cars off it carries the ones waiting on that side back across the other direction..etc.
And where would this unlimited source of energy to fuel the cargo planes come from?
Harnessing the power of the sun itself, of course
Scaring drivers to death by appearance of such planes and collecting farting gases may provide more energy than you can imagine!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:29:18 PM
I mean I don't know how reliable ion propulsion is, but that's one of only 2 ways to achieve propulsion with nuclear fission/fusion. The other option is the Orion project which uses a pusher plate with small nuclear blasts detonated behind it to propel the craft forward.
Pardon my inattention, but are we talking about going to Canada or to Mars?
This guy should write Joe Biden.
Hey MMM pitch your ideas to Mr. Biden and show him what you got.
Be sure to tell him you didn't vote for him or his nemesis Trump or that you don't even vote.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 15, 2023, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Similar shape, but not the same technology. Could carry up to 10 cars at low altitude a 200-300 mph over both Ontario and Lack Michigan so we wouldn't have to trade land or anything. These planes could circle back and forth carrying traffic in both directions after it drops one set of cars off it carries the ones waiting on that side back across the other direction..etc.
And where would this unlimited source of energy to fuel the cargo planes come from?
The same source as the unlimited money used to pay for it all....
From the laundromat, of course.
Time is money. Thus, the more money you're able to source for the project, the more time you'll save on the overall journey time for each plane. Simple math.
Fortunately, the funding doesn't have to come from official, or even legal, sources. Illicit funds can simply be laundered and used to fund the initiative. Official Bank policy is to actually wash money when Laundering is requested, which is why banks are required to have a 14 3/4-unit laundromat in the basement and attic.
source (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.msg2602032;topicseen#msg2602032)
What kind of interest rates is Alan Bank charging these days for laundering money?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 15, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
What kind of interest rates is Alan Bank charging these days for laundering money?
A solid 4%, because they're not completely inept and weird at everything.
However, failure to pay on time means you gain one goat, whereas paying too soon also nets one goat.
Mmmmm! The smell of Persil on freshly washed currency.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 14, 2023, 08:00:22 PM
And just a clarification about my cargo planes to carry traffic on I-90 over Lake Michigan and Ontario Canada:
These would be similar in shape to those flat shaped triangular planes on the movie "Independence Day" that launched the nuke at the aliens ship. They would be flat and wider, and would hold about 10 cars each, and would carry traffic over these 2 gaps at around 250-300 mph. I ruled out the jet powered water ferries. While this would still leave I-80 as the much straighter and better interstate, it would lessen my grief with I-90 if the gap was completed.
You mean the B-2 stealth bomber, the most expensive plane in history?
Similar shape, but not the same technology. Could carry up to 10 cars at low altitude a 200-300 mph over both Ontario and Lack Michigan so we wouldn't have to trade land or anything. These planes could circle back and forth carrying traffic in both directions after it drops one set of cars off it carries the ones waiting on that side back across the other direction..etc.
Is this what the US military has been shooting down recently?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Lack Michigan
I think you mean Lack Alaska.
I ran into the Lack Noss Monster the other day. I said "damn it Monster, what do you want?." He said back to me "I need about three thirty seven."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
Wouldn't the watermarks and holograms detract from the legibility of a route shield?
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
Well, you'd just look at the state name right above the route number. Duh.
Neutered shields would be shot down with prejudice. Not because of anything having to do with who launched them, just because they're neutered.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 10:40:35 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
We would detect them moving in, the stationary shields are just supposed to stay in their locations to make the route. That is though, a reason why Interstate highway shields should be designed with similar features of money, with watermarks, holograms, microprinting..etc, so it would be harder to build bootleg interstate signs/balloons.
How are you going to keep the balloons stationary over Lake Michigan?
Quote from: GaryV on February 16, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 15, 2023, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
We would detect them moving in, the stationary shields are just supposed to stay in their locations to make the route. That is though, a reason why Interstate highway shields should be designed with similar features of money, with watermarks, holograms, microprinting..etc, so it would be harder to build bootleg interstate signs/balloons.
How are you going to keep the balloons stationary over Lake Michigan?
Simply shoot them down when they drift away and then reattach another balloon, of course.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 15, 2023, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
We would detect them moving in, the stationary shields are just supposed to stay in their locations to make the route. That is though, a reason why Interstate highway shields should be designed with similar features of money, with watermarks, holograms, microprinting..etc, so it would be harder to build bootleg interstate signs/balloons.
How are you going to keep the balloons stationary over Lake Michigan?
Simply shoot them down when they drift away and then reattach another balloon, of course.
An endless supply of work orders for the balloon industry, I see this as a total win.
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Quote from: kphoger on February 15, 2023, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
Well, you'd just look at the state name right above the route number. Duh.
Neutered shields would be shot down with prejudice. Not because of anything having to do with who launched them, just because they're neutered.
FHWA spokesperson said that the agency is not going to investigate the use of unapproved font on highway signs.
"this is up to local agencies, we have guidelines only"(https://i.ibb.co/D7mpRCC/i90.png)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 11:14:07 AM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 15, 2023, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
My I-90 balloon signs would be stationary, at an altitude of about 800 feet, and you could see the shield from half a mile away so there's no way the US Government would confuse them for enemy spy tech or UFOs.
What if a foreign state began using spy craft disguised with I-90 shields?
We would detect them moving in, the stationary shields are just supposed to stay in their locations to make the route. That is though, a reason why Interstate highway shields should be designed with similar features of money, with watermarks, holograms, microprinting..etc, so it would be harder to build bootleg interstate signs/balloons.
How are you going to keep the balloons stationary over Lake Michigan?
They would be somewhat anchored in the water. The balloon part would hold it up in the air, but a cable would extend into the ocean floor, preventing it from swaying too far in any direction.
Ocean floor on the other side of the earth?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 11:23:48 AM
they could still drift around a few dozen feet but that's it
A cable more than a quarter mile long would only drift a few dozen feet? (You said they'd be 800 feet above the surface, and the lake is up to 900 feet deep.)
BTW, how big would these balloons be? They'd have to have a lot of gas to hold up that cable.
And if the cables come crashing to the ground accidentally?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 06:01:32 PM
They wouldn't. The laws of physics would keep them in the air indefinitely. They would be made out of carbon nanotubes, which can withstand up to 120 Gigapascals of pressure. The force of the earth's rotation exerts about 60-100 Gigapascals, so that is comfortably above the breaking point. (Citation: "Physics of the Impossible")
So no more GPS?
I think you should come up with a budget estimate and submit it to your member of Congress.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 06:49:04 PM
Who? George Santos? I thought I was him according to people on here?
I didn't notice anyone calling you George Santos, though I don't read all of every thread by any means. I guess you'd be the best judge of that.
Quote from: GaryV on February 16, 2023, 02:49:50 PM
BTW, how big would these balloons be? They'd have to have a lot of gas to hold up that cable.
Good thing we have a never ending supply of hot air here in this thread...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 06:11:46 PM
What? These are just cables to hold up my I-90 signs. What does GPS have to do with it? I know some of this sounds extreme, but you gotta admit it does make a little more sense than I-90 running along I-80.
You are giving numbers for anorbital cabling structure....
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 07:48:30 PM
No, the orbital suspension method is just to hold the cables up without any power. The signs are simply attached to them at whatever altitude the car carrying shuttle planes would operate at. The orbital suspension is simply the centripetal force of the earth rotating, counteracting gravity. A cable suspended in such a way would appear to be magically floating vertically into thr sky from your point of view. The whole point of the cables is to suspend the signage in the air, not for the transportations itself.
Yep. That means cables would interfere with satellites, and all 9f them would have to be removed from the orbit. Including GPS group.
Imagine being the schmuck that has a orbital tether BGS fall on them?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 16, 2023, 08:03:35 PM
Imagine being the schmuck that has a orbital tether BGS fall on them?
Would that person be a schmuck, or would they be a schlemiel, or a schlimazel?
I think more likely a schlimazel.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 16, 2023, 08:03:35 PM
Imagine being the schmuck that has a orbital tether BGS fall on them?
Imagine being a city....
Those energies quickly go into the range better described by kilotons....
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 16, 2023, 09:51:47 PM
The only way for these sign suspension cables to come crashing down is if Earth stopped rotating.
Says the guy who never had his car towed
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 17, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Well because the exact mile markers and 3 dimensional corridor would need to be signed to be part of the interstate highway system. The balloons/ cables would even gradually increase and decrease in altitude near land to mark the exact route of the planes as they climb, cruise, and descend. Unlike a 2d road where you just need 2 barriers on each side to separate it from the rest of the locations, through the sky would would need 4 lines of balloons on each side to "enclose" the dimensional path through the sky. To meet interstate highway standards, they must have signs along most of the length and mile markers, and even state line info, including any roads with airborne connections.
I'm jumping into this mid-discussion, but why would this be necessary? I think if we had flying cars, we'd have navigation systems built in to our dash like a plane.
How would these floating markers and signs even work outside of some sci-fi fantasy?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 17, 2023, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 17, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Well because the exact mile markers and 3 dimensional corridor would need to be signed to be part of the interstate highway system. The balloons/ cables would even gradually increase and decrease in altitude near land to mark the exact route of the planes as they climb, cruise, and descend. Unlike a 2d road where you just need 2 barriers on each side to separate it from the rest of the locations, through the sky would would need 4 lines of balloons on each side to "enclose" the dimensional path through the sky. To meet interstate highway standards, they must have signs along most of the length and mile markers, and even state line info, including any roads with airborne connections.
I'm jumping into this mid-discussion, but why would this be necessary? I think if we had flying cars, we'd have navigation systems built in to our dash like a plane.
How would these floating markers and signs even work outside of some sci-fi fantasy?
But.. When did you fly last time? Didn't you pay attention on all those flying mile markers along the flight path??
Quote from: kalvado on February 17, 2023, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 17, 2023, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 17, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Well because the exact mile markers and 3 dimensional corridor would need to be signed to be part of the interstate highway system. The balloons/ cables would even gradually increase and decrease in altitude near land to mark the exact route of the planes as they climb, cruise, and descend. Unlike a 2d road where you just need 2 barriers on each side to separate it from the rest of the locations, through the sky would would need 4 lines of balloons on each side to "enclose" the dimensional path through the sky. To meet interstate highway standards, they must have signs along most of the length and mile markers, and even state line info, including any roads with airborne connections.
I'm jumping into this mid-discussion, but why would this be necessary? I think if we had flying cars, we'd have navigation systems built in to our dash like a plane.
How would these floating markers and signs even work outside of some sci-fi fantasy?
But.. When did you fly last time? Didn't you pay attention on all those flying mile markers along the flight path??
Maybe MMM watched Back to the Future Part II recently? The Skyways had floating signs and all the cars were being manually controlled despite being in the air.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 17, 2023, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 17, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Well because the exact mile markers and 3 dimensional corridor would need to be signed to be part of the interstate highway system. The balloons/ cables would even gradually increase and decrease in altitude near land to mark the exact route of the planes as they climb, cruise, and descend. Unlike a 2d road where you just need 2 barriers on each side to separate it from the rest of the locations, through the sky would would need 4 lines of balloons on each side to "enclose" the dimensional path through the sky. To meet interstate highway standards, they must have signs along most of the length and mile markers, and even state line info, including any roads with airborne connections.
I'm jumping into this mid-discussion, but why would this be necessary? I think if we had flying cars, we'd have navigation systems built in to our dash like a plane.
How would these floating markers and signs even work outside of some sci-fi fantasy?
Not for navigation, the pilots would handle that fine but it's to legally mark the airspace as part of the interstate. The planes would just be going in a straight line. Large painted signs could be held up by either helicopters or hot air balloons. Now of course the drivers may not be able to see outside the cargo plane while they are sitting in their car below deck or whatever, but the pilots would have secondary navigation system if the avionics failed. Each balloon would be just barely visible after passing the previous one at 200-300 mph.The balloons would have to be held stationary by some kind of automated system or grappling cable connecting to the ground, and an anti-swivel lock mechanism would be needed to prevent the balloons from rotating, turning the I-90 symbol out of view. They would also need to be painted in such a way that glow in the dark and are visible at night. No I haven't seen Back to the Future.
And who would be responsible for the overall system - FAA since those are planes; FHWA for interstate, coast guard for lakeside operation, or CDC?
How often do the planes fly? If I have to wait half a day to get on the plane, that would take longer than simply driving around Lake Erie or across Canada.
Quote from: dlsterner on February 16, 2023, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 16, 2023, 08:03:35 PM
Imagine being the schmuck that has a orbital tether BGS fall on them?
Would that person be a schmuck, or would they be a schlemiel, or a schlimazel?
I think more likely a schlimazel.
You are correct. As the Yiddish saying translates: A schlemiel is the one who spills his soup, and the schlimazel is the one in whose lap it lands.
What did Louie Depalma say it was on Taxi? He had his own definition for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZLRgenQ6Y
edit: His is what was said above but he had a second definition as well.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 11:50:23 AM
Not for navigation ... but it's to legally mark the airspace as part of the interstate.
Route shields are not what legally define Interstates. Remove all the I-24 shields, and the route is still an Interstate.
If anything, you just need a whole bunch of these little guys:
(https://i.imgur.com/YiBrSiu.jpg)
Total time between touchdown and takeoff? Any estimates? I want a step-by-step breakdown of the process, with a time split for each step.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 17, 2023, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 17, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Well because the exact mile markers and 3 dimensional corridor would need to be signed to be part of the interstate highway system. The balloons/ cables would even gradually increase and decrease in altitude near land to mark the exact route of the planes as they climb, cruise, and descend. Unlike a 2d road where you just need 2 barriers on each side to separate it from the rest of the locations, through the sky would would need 4 lines of balloons on each side to "enclose" the dimensional path through the sky. To meet interstate highway standards, they must have signs along most of the length and mile markers, and even state line info, including any roads with airborne connections.
I'm jumping into this mid-discussion, but why would this be necessary? I think if we had flying cars, we'd have navigation systems built in to our dash like a plane.
How would these floating markers and signs even work outside of some sci-fi fantasy?
Why even ask? You know the answer will be just "Because I think it is necessary" or something equally uncommunicative.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 17, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
This is funny and all, but why the hell would the sky route need signs at all? The individual vehicle owners aren't driving this plane carrying their car, so what do they care if there are I-90 shields visible? Planes fly everywhere all the time with no 'signs'.
Did you become fixated on Back to the Future part 2 when Doc and Marty drop in on 2015 and there's marked roadways in the sky above Hill Valley, complete with signed exits?
Well because the exact mile markers and 3 dimensional corridor would need to be signed to be part of the interstate highway system. The balloons/ cables would even gradually increase and decrease in altitude near land to mark the exact route of the planes as they climb, cruise, and descend. Unlike a 2d road where you just need 2 barriers on each side to separate it from the rest of the locations, through the sky would would need 4 lines of balloons on each side to "enclose" the dimensional path through the sky. To meet interstate highway standards, they must have signs along most of the length and mile markers, and even state line info, including any roads with airborne connections.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 17, 2023, 12:44:52 PM
How often do the planes fly? If I have to wait half a day to get on the plane, that would take longer than simply driving around Lake Erie or across Canada.
The planes would be continuously circling, you wouldn't have to wait more than 10-15 minutes to be able to drive onto one. The ones that just finished going east to west, will now pick up the cars that want to go east, and the cycle continues. I estimate 20-30 planes, 10-15 in each direction, each capable of carrying 10-12 cars would be circling at any given time.
And all this is easier than just dealing with a 300-mile concurrency that is not confusing and only a problem to OCD nuts like yourself?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 17, 2023, 12:44:52 PM
How often do the planes fly? If I have to wait half a day to get on the plane, that would take longer than simply driving around Lake Erie or across Canada.
The planes would be continuously circling, you wouldn't have to wait more than 10-15 minutes to be able to drive onto one. The ones that just finished going east to west, will now pick up the cars that want to go east, and the cycle continues. I estimate 20-30 planes, 10-15 in each direction, each capable of carrying 10-12 cars would be circling at any given time.
Do the planes stop in Michigan to pick up local travelers going east or west?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:06:18 PM
there's 20-30 planes so diving that at you get a few minutes of wait time
How many is "a few minutes"? Did you factor in taxiing and refueling time to your calculation?
5-8 mins to load and lock all the cars in place
Do the drivers stay in the car? Do you have an evacuation plan in case of a crash? If not, then you need time for the passengers to exit their vehicles.
It's about 260 miles from Buffalo to Detroit
these planes fly at about 300 mph max
a 45-50 minute trip over Canada, then landing in Detroit
You forgot the time spent taxiing. This is not zero.
cars unload and continue on I-90 across Michigan
How long does unloading take?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
These planes would be nuclear powered and thus literally not need refueling for several years.
Nuclear powered planes, what could go wrong?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
Yes, the drivers stay seated in their cars below deck in the cargo bay. An evacuation done midair wouldn't affect loading/unloading times, that would be after they are already in the air. I don't understand the question.
My question is how passengers would be able to safely evacuate if they're belowdecks (so to speak) in their vehicles.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
These planes wouldn't have to taxi. They would be positioned right at the end of the road facing the direction of the launch.
Of course they would have to taxi. They have to get from the landing strip to the loading zone
somehow, after all.
I say speed boat across Lake (Lack) Michigan. Have 10,000 speed boats rotating, like a chair lift at a ski resort, with one platform for one car (or truck), the car drives up to the ferry landing, drives on the speed boat, a crew chains your wheels to the deck and then the boat captain floors it 100 mph across Lake Michigan, and drops you off on the other side, skidding to a stop at the ferry landing. Oh, there will be drones with gasoline that will refill the speedboats mid cross lake journey. If the person in the car gets seasick, just roll down your window and vomit. The speed boats have high pressure washing systems available. Speedboats will operate 24 hours a day, every day of the year with no slowdown hours. Drive up at 2:43 AM, your speedboat is there for you to be violently thrashed across Lake Michigan.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:10:22 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 17, 2023, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 17, 2023, 12:44:52 PM
How often do the planes fly? If I have to wait half a day to get on the plane, that would take longer than simply driving around Lake Erie or across Canada.
The planes would be continuously circling, you wouldn't have to wait more than 10-15 minutes to be able to drive onto one. The ones that just finished going east to west, will now pick up the cars that want to go east, and the cycle continues. I estimate 20-30 planes, 10-15 in each direction, each capable of carrying 10-12 cars would be circling at any given time.
Do the planes stop in Michigan to pick up local travelers going east or west?
No, there are 2 separate legs of this journey that require plane connections. Over Canada and Over Lake Michigan. The planes only circle one of the water bodies so a bridge/tunnel or using Canadian land isn't needed. You have to drive across Michigan yourself.
Would it be more feasible to put some freezing machines and create ice bridge over the lake?
Quote from: SectorZ on February 17, 2023, 04:16:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
These planes would be nuclear powered and thus literally not need refueling for several years.
Nuclear powered planes, what could go wrong?
The Air Force considered a project like that back in the early 1960s. Besides obvious danger in case of accident, nuclear reactors produce heat or electricity fairly efficiently but that doesn't translate well into force pushing an airplane forward at high speeds. Then there was the cost, which was so high even the Air Force couldn't afford to carry the project forward to a prototype.
Hovercraft are still a better bet for high speeds over water.
I wonder if MMM is aware that interstate standards do not allow ferries to carry interstate routes at all, not even hovercraft, let alone airplanes?
Quote from: kkt on February 17, 2023, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 17, 2023, 04:16:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
These planes would be nuclear powered and thus literally not need refueling for several years.
Nuclear powered planes, what could go wrong?
The Air Force considered a project like that back in the early 1960s. Besides obvious danger in case of accident, nuclear reactors produce heat or electricity fairly efficiently but that doesn't translate well into force pushing an airplane forward at high speeds. Then there was the cost, which was so high even the Air Force couldn't afford to carry the project forward to a prototype.
Hovercraft are still a better bet for high speeds over water.
I wonder if MMM is aware that interstate standards do not allow ferries to carry interstate routes at all, not even hovercraft, let alone airplanes?
Back then, nuclear power was seen as a universal future. There is an episode in Richard Feynman memoir highlighting that.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 09:48:22 PM
Yeah, but if the alternative was to leave a huge gap in I-90 like that, they'd probably revise the standard requirements.
The alternative is to leave the system exactly the way it is. And I seem to remember having read that that's currently the preferred alternative.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 17, 2023, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 17, 2023, 04:16:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
These planes would be nuclear powered and thus literally not need refueling for several years.
Nuclear powered planes, what could go wrong?
The Air Force considered a project like that back in the early 1960s. Besides obvious danger in case of accident, nuclear reactors produce heat or electricity fairly efficiently but that doesn't translate well into force pushing an airplane forward at high speeds. Then there was the cost, which was so high even the Air Force couldn't afford to carry the project forward to a prototype.
Hovercraft are still a better bet for high speeds over water.
I wonder if MMM is aware that interstate standards do not allow ferries to carry interstate routes at all, not even hovercraft, let alone airplanes?
Yeah, but if the alternative was to leave a huge gap in I-90 like that, they'd probably revise the standard requirements.
A duplexed route is NOT a gap in either route. And it's been like that for 60 years or so and doesn't seem to be upsetting anyone but you.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:29:08 PM
It's not a gap in I-80, but it's a gap in I-90.
It is a gap in neither one.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:29:08 PM
It's not a gap in I-80, but it's a gap in I-90.
It's not a gap in either one. You can follow the signs for either route the whole way. For there to be a gap in route, there would have to be a gap in signage.
Someone point out the gaps por favor:
https://flic.kr/p/XvqEJG
Mind the gap!
Is the gap on I-90 as bad as the one on I-105?
I-90 did have a gap, a few decades ago:
Quote from: Bruce on February 18, 2023, 03:18:00 AM
I-90 did have a gap, a few decades ago:
I remember that. Contractor was using water blasting to remove sidewalks and other structures built on the bridge, preparatory to realigning the road geometry. They decided the pontoons would be a great place to store the resulting water. It was contaminated and should not be dumped in the lake, so they would pump out the pontoons to dispose of the contaminated water. The covers on the tops of the pontoons were open. During storms, waves wash over some of the bridge deck, and into the pontoons if the covers have been left open. The more water goes into the pontoons, the lower they ride in the water, and the more waves crash over the bridge deck...
Fortunately the section of the bridge that sank was closed for construction at the time so no one was killed or injured or private property lost.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 09:54:15 AM
I-90 gap is worse. In that speed movie you could simply jump the gap in your own vehicle, you didn't need planes to cross it. I-90 you either need jet powered ferries or cargo planes.
Um, no, neither of those was done. The new section of bridge was already built parallel to the old bridge that sank, so they realligned the roadway on the new section for 2-way traffic and that served until the old bridge was replaced. There weren't as many lanes as would have been nice, but it was useable.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 12:31:28 AM
Is the gap on I-90 as bad as the one on I-105?
I-90 gap is worse. In that speed movie you could simply jump the gap in your own vehicle, you didn't need planes to cross it. I-90 you either need jet powered ferries or cargo planes.
Which brings me back to:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 17, 2023, 11:37:12 PM
Someone point out the gaps por favor:
https://flic.kr/p/XvqEJG
I'm not seeing that gap, please point it out for me.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
That I-90 sign shouldn't be there, it's incorrectly placed as I-90 can't run along I-80 for that long. Therefore, consider the I-80 sign to be the only correct sign there.
Please point out the interstate standard that limits the length of duplexed segments.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
That I-90 sign shouldn't be there, it's incorrectly placed as I-90 can't run along I-80 for that long. Therefore, consider the I-80 sign to be the only correct sign there.
So basically, "there is no gap."
Ah, but they are because there is no gap. The gap you speak simply does not exist.
Sorry, for a gap to exist there must be a lack of signage. Clearly there is plenty of I-90 signs multiplexed with I-80 on the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike. I have a lot more photos of both the Ohio Turnpike and Indiana Toll Road if you aren't inclined to take my word for it. Or is this some sort of attempt at revisionist history where you are trying to make I-90 akin to US 85 in New Mexico?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 11:15:39 AM
Ah, but they are because there is no gap. The gap you speak simply does not exist.
Gap or not... who cares? People should be thinking about getting from point A to point B, not about those fancy signs.
Quote from: kalvado on February 18, 2023, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 11:15:39 AM
Ah, but they are because there is no gap. The gap you speak simply does not exist.
Gap or not... who cares? People should be thinking about getting from point A to point B, not about those fancy signs.
Yes, but this is not how the road community tends to roll. Signage semantics and "grids" seem to be inordinately important around these parts. I couldn't think of two more boring highways segments to obsess over than the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
The standard is:
"Bootleg highways that go well out of the way of their normal latitude/longitude to run along normal highways via insanely long concurrencies, fail to meet the principles of interstate highway engineering standards and must not be signed"
How does that apply to I-90? It meets interstate highway standards, and is signed.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:27:21 AM
The same way they don't have signs up for interstates that do exist, such as the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (I-478) they may have some signs up for interstates that no longer exist or aren't signed, such as the "ghost" I-895 signs for the Sheridan expressway before it was downgraded. The same may apply to I-90, the signs simply weren't taken down yet because the bootleg classification of it was only recently realized by the road community. I should start a poll on this issue as well.
Please do.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:27:21 AM
The same way they don't have signs up for interstates that do exist, such as the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (I-478) they may have some signs up for interstates that no longer exist or aren't signed, such as the "ghost" I-895 signs for the Sheridan expressway before it was downgraded. The same may apply to I-90, the signs simply weren't taken down yet because the bootleg classification of it was only recently realized by the road community. I should start a poll on this issue as well.
Of which "community" do you speak? The MMM community of one?
The only community that has authority to make such a decision is AASHTO. If you can supply some official document stating I-90 no longer exists between Gary and Cleveland, then we might start to believe you. Except for grappling hook helicopters and nuclear airplanes.
Edit: Is "bootleg highway" defined somewhere in MUTCD?
Is there some dude out there selling bootleg highways out the back of his panel van?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
I-90 can't run along I-80 for that long.
Quote from: kkt on February 18, 2023, 10:50:52 AM
Please point out the interstate standard that limits the length of duplexed segments.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
The standard is:
"Bootleg highways that go well out of the way of their normal latitude/longitude to run along normal highways via insanely long concurrencies, fail to meet the principles of interstate highway engineering standards and must not be signed"
Please cite your reference.
Here's an example of an actual bootleg highway:
https://flic.kr/p/T6Puxq
In this particular case CA 130 ends at Mount Hamilton. For whatever reason Santa Clara County signs CA 130 (mind you with weird imitation shields) all the way to the Stanislaus County line via San Antonio Valley Road and Del Puerto Canyon Road. CA 130 has never existed east of Mount Hamilton, thus Santa Clara County is peddling a bootleg highway.
You say I-90 is imaginary. Maybe we think you're imaginary?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
The standard is:
"Bootleg highways that go well out of the way of their normal latitude/longitude to run along normal highways via insanely long concurrencies, fail to meet the principles of interstate highway engineering standards and must not be signed"
So, in other words, there is no such standard, just your personal preference based on doing whatever is necessary to diss I-90.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 03:16:56 PM
What do you think of my new solution? Simply design concurrent roads like the New Jersey Turnpike, with spurs for each interstate. Or build the highways with an upper and lower level to separate out the interstates into individual and independent highways. Then I-90 could run through Indiana and Ohio right above interstate 80, and not be bootleg, and it would be a continuous interstate highway.
Then if there's an accident on one of the roadways it backs up until it gets to an exit where traffic can cross over to the other roadway. I'd just as soon have one wide roadway.
I-90 (=-90+i) definitely has an imaginary component.
Are you as passionate about all duplexed routes, or just the ones that could be twisted into making I-90 not the longest interstate anymore?
Let's see.
This guy hates curved roads.
He hates I-90.
He hates the number 99.
He loves Helicopters with graphing hooks.
He loves tunnels under mountains and Canada.
He loves I-80.
In his personal life he loves his couch.
He don't like to vote, but I'm sure takes all the freebies those he don't vote for give out. He don't like to procreate but loves to be celibate.
Definitely material a scientific mind need to analyze.
Fuck I-80 that fake ass short interstate not as short as big bad good I-90. I-80 should be completely demolished and replaced by the Lincoln Highway 2.0.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 18, 2023, 05:25:14 PM
Fuck I-80 that fake ass short interstate not as short as big bad good I-90. I-80 should be completely demolished and replaced by the Lincoln Highway 2.0.
No need, the Lincoln Highway Association is still active and signs the highway. Demolishing I-80 is all that really needs to get done. I think this is needed.
Quote from: kkt on February 18, 2023, 03:56:20 PM
Are you as passionate about all duplexed routes, or just the ones that could be twisted into making I-90 not the longest interstate anymore?
Only when x0s or x5s run along each other, otherwise I don't mind concurrencies, even the triple concurrencies in wisconsin don't bother me. I don't have a prejudice for I-80 or anything, I treat all highways fairly, but accurate grids and highways that are distinct from each other are needed. I don't hate any numbers either, it's just that abominable numbering like I-99 in PA needs to be changed as soon as possible (I would even recommend temporarily shutting the road down for a couple weeks while PennDot quickly rushes to manufacture new signs renumbering it I-280, which would be flown in by helicopter to install them as quickly as possible). And BTW, I would actually prefer that I-90 is the longest interstate, because the highest x0 also being the longest is a nice combination. But no interstate should be the longest as the sole result of bootlegging off of another. In fact, since I-80 is only 121 miles shorter than I-80, and the concurrency is about 275 miles, I-80 is the longest.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 05:47:44 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 18, 2023, 03:56:20 PM
Are you as passionate about all duplexed routes, or just the ones that could be twisted into making I-90 not the longest interstate anymore?
Only when x0s or x5s run along each other, otherwise I don't mind concurrencies, even the triple concurrencies in wisconsin don't bother me. I don't have a prejudice for I-80 or anything, I treat all highways fairly, but accurate grids and highways that are distinct from each other are needed. I don't hate any numbers either, it's just that abominable numbering like I-99 in PA needs to be changed as soon as possible (I would even recommend temporarily shutting the road down for a couple weeks while PennDot quickly rushes to manufacture new signs renumbering it I-280, which would be flown in by helicopter to install them as quickly as possible). And BTW, I would actually prefer that I-90 is the longest interstate, because the highest x0 also being the longest is a nice combination. But no interstate should be the longest as the sole result of bootlegging off of another. In fact, since I-80 is only 121 miles shorter than I-80, and the concurrency is about 275 miles, I-80 is the longest.
I think that I-90 needs to be extended along I-5 from Seattle, down to San Francisco, then down I-80 across Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois. On its east end, it should be extended along I-95 down to New York, then west along I-80 across New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. I think this is needed.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
How is it going to be extended westbound on I-80 in NJ?
Aggressively and relentlessly.
Are you saying it essentially does a U turn after hitting NYC? If so, how is I-95 incorporated into it?
They take the 95 shield down, put the 90 shield where it was, and then put the 95 shield below or to the right of it.
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
I-90-81 or I-90-40 sounds sexy!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 07:28:58 PM
What I mean is if you're replacing most of I-80 with I-90, how does it loop back the other way once it's in NJ? How exactly is it using I-95 to make this U turn?
No, I'm not replacing it. The I-90 shields will be added under or to the right of the I-80 shields.
^^^
Signed as I-90-90
Quote from: kalvado on February 18, 2023, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
I-90-81 or I-90-40 sounds sexy!
How about I-90-69? Nice huh?
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 18, 2023, 06:35:16 PM
I think that I-90 needs to be extended along I-5 from Seattle, down to San Francisco, then down I-80 across Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois. On its east end, it should be extended along I-95 down to New York, then west along I-80 across New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. I think this is needed.
We need to find a way to extend I-90 to cover all 2-digit interstates without any gaps and without overlapping itself. Where's Euler when we need him?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 07:49:52 PM
And what becomes of the original I-90?
It's still there. I-90 is now the Sioux City outer beltway we've always needed.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 18, 2023, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 07:49:52 PM
And what becomes of the original I-90?
It's still there. I-90 is now the Sioux City outer beltway we've always needed.
Is that Poiponen13's I-B9 or whatever?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Except I-80 which will become I-99
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 18, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Except I-80 which will become I-99
The original modest proposal (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10974.0) on this forum had I-99 unchanged to follow Congressional precedent.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 18, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Except I-80 which will become I-99
I suggested that a few weeks ago :) It also involves extending the (new) I-99 eastward to Long Island ending at MMM's driveway.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272)
Quote from: dlsterner on February 18, 2023, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 18, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Except I-80 which will become I-99
I suggested that a few weeks ago :) It also involves extending the (new) I-99 eastward to Long Island ending at MMM's driveway.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272)
Can we turn MMM into a part of I-99? We can make a David Cronenberg style movie out of it and call it the "Interstateling."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 18, 2023, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 18, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Except I-80 which will become I-99
I suggested that a few weeks ago :) It also involves extending the (new) I-99 eastward to Long Island ending at MMM's driveway.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272)
Can we turn MMM into a part of I-99? We can make a David Cronenberg style movie out of it and call it the "Interstateling."
Well, given my fear of this subject, I'd not be watching the film or the transformation.
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on February 18, 2023, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 18, 2023, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 18, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 18, 2023, 07:33:29 PM
Every Interstate should be signed I-90. I think this is needed.
Except I-80 which will become I-99
I suggested that a few weeks ago :) It also involves extending the (new) I-99 eastward to Long Island ending at MMM's driveway.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32875.msg2815272#msg2815272)
Can we turn MMM into a part of I-99? We can make a David Cronenberg style movie out of it and call it the "Interstateling."
Well, given my fear of this subject, I'd not be watching the film or the transformation.
I'm thinking of a premise that would involve accidental gene splicing via a teleportation device called Tellaballoon. The hook would be that MMM's teleportation experiments goes wrong when he leaves an I-99 shield in the teleballoon by accident. This would have course lead to a gradual metamorphosis into a hybrid human/I-99 shield. Things would get devious when MMM-Interstate starts sprouting grapple hooks to consume prey to add to his bio-mechanical Interstate mass. His downfall would be when he tries to become the perfect being by merging with Beverley Crusher through the Tellaballoon.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 18, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
The standard is:
"Bootleg highways that go well out of the way of their normal latitude/longitude to run along normal highways via insanely long concurrencies, fail to meet the principles of interstate highway engineering standards and must not be signed"
How does that apply to I-90? It meets interstate highway standards, and is signed.
It shouldn't be signed though. Bootleg highways should by definition not meet interstate highway standards and therefore ineligible to join the system.
Your definition of a bootleg highway says that the highway "must not be signed". So if it is signed, how can it be a bootleg?
Bootleg means liquor or other contraband that was imported or produced illegally, or by anything produced against the law or rules. The states, FHA, and the AASHTO approved the I-80/I-90 cosigned segment, so it's not a bootleg highway.
Quote from: bm7 on February 18, 2023, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 18, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
The standard is:
"Bootleg highways that go well out of the way of their normal latitude/longitude to run along normal highways via insanely long concurrencies, fail to meet the principles of interstate highway engineering standards and must not be signed"
How does that apply to I-90? It meets interstate highway standards, and is signed.
It shouldn't be signed though. Bootleg highways should by definition not meet interstate highway standards and therefore ineligible to join the system.
Your definition of a bootleg highway says that the highway "must not be signed". So if it is signed, how can it be a bootleg?
Once upon a time someone tried to build a bootleg exit on I-90 in NY, no kidding!
https://jalopnik.com/a-guy-might-be-building-his-own-ramp-off-the-new-york-s-1825127269
Quote from: kkt on February 18, 2023, 11:59:50 PM
Bootleg means liquor or other contraband that was imported or produced illegally, or by anything produced against the law or rules. The states, FHA, and the AASHTO approved the I-80/I-90 cosigned segment, so it's not a bootleg highway.
Bands release "official bootlegs" that are typically live albums they self-release.
Maybe this is an official bootleg in the MMM-verse.
Anyone else every buy bootleg VHS tapes?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 19, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
Anyone else every buy bootleg VHS tapes?
Tapes or DVDs...no. A bowling center I worked in had a whole lot of that going on at one point though.
T-shirts and such, such as those sold in parking lots?: All the time.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: bm7 on February 18, 2023, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 18, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
The standard is:
"Bootleg highways that go well out of the way of their normal latitude/longitude to run along normal highways via insanely long concurrencies, fail to meet the principles of interstate highway engineering standards and must not be signed"
How does that apply to I-90? It meets interstate highway standards, and is signed.
It shouldn't be signed though. Bootleg highways should by definition not meet interstate highway standards and therefore ineligible to join the system.
Your definition of a bootleg highway says that the highway "must not be signed". So if it is signed, how can it be a bootleg?
I said bootleg highways shouldn't be signed, not that they already aren't. And I'm an idiot for not thinking of that simple solution earlier. Just build an elevated deck or double the width and put a barrier in between the sets of lanes, making one level/set of lanes I-80, and the other set/level of lanes I-90. As long as they are different roads, they wouldn't be bootleg.
Yes, double deck freeways were always extremely popular. Every time I went to Seattle the locals would say "have you seen the Alaskan Way Viaduct?"
Or just double the width of both the Ohio Turnpike and Indiana Toll Road, and put a divider in between the sets of lanes. The outer roadway could be I-80, and the inner roadway could be I-90.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 12:31:39 PMOr just double the width of both the Ohio Turnpike and Indiana Toll Road, and put a divider in between the sets of lanes. The outer roadway could be I-80, and the inner roadway could be I-90.
Let's save some money on a facility that already has a satisfactory LOS and declare the left-hand lane in each direction to be I-80 while the right-hand lane is I-90. Problem solved.
And what do you propose for I-90 and I-94 multiplexing in downtown Chicago? How is that not "bootleg" by your definition?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 19, 2023, 12:34:51 PM
And what do you propose for I-90 and I-94 multiplexing in downtown Chicago? How is that not "bootleg" by your definition?
Because an X-0 running along another random 2 digit Interstate isn't a big deal. I-35 runs along I-80 and I don't flip out over that. But two x0s that are parallel should not run along each other ever, common sense.
@J N Winkler
Because lane changing between the 2 interstates is unacceptable. They have to be 2 physically divided roads. Cross-overs could be built from one interstate to the other, but that's it. Also, all individual interstates should be a minimum of 3 lanes in each direction, even out in Nevada and Utah..etc to accommodate truck traffic and increasing population. So when 2 interstates run alongside each other, the entire roadway should be 12 lanes total (6 in each direction with each interstate separated by a physical barrier).
This all sounds bootleg to me. Where are the proposals to double deck I-90/I-94 onto separate grades in downtown Chicago?
It's only bootleg when two X0s or X5s run along each otherwise. Otherwise, my limit to concurrencies are 3 interstates on one road.
I think I understood the root cause. Original MMM is a smart and intelligent person, but bootleg MMM with a driver license bearing at least two (first and last) or maybe even more names, and a MMM nickname on top of that is what we are dealing with.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2023, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 19, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
Anyone else every buy bootleg VHS tapes?
Tapes or DVDs...no. A bowling center I worked in had a whole lot of that going on at one point though.
T-shirts and such, such as those sold in parking lots?: All the time.
I had a dude try and sell me a bootleg copy of "Snakes on a Plane" in the grocery store parking lot one time.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 19, 2023, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2023, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 19, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
Anyone else every buy bootleg VHS tapes?
Tapes or DVDs...no. A bowling center I worked in had a whole lot of that going on at one point though.
T-shirts and such, such as those sold in parking lots?: All the time.
I had a dude try and sell me a bootleg copy of "Snakes on a Plane" in the grocery store parking lot one time.
I've had with these mother fuggin bootleg Interstates on this mother fuggin fictional board!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 01:08:48 PM
It's only bootleg when two X0s or X5s run along each otherwise. Otherwise, my limit to concurrencies are 3 interstates on one road.
I would also be interested in hearing your plan for the I-75/I-85 multiplex in Atlanta. By your definition, that would be "bootleg" as well.
Also, with your plans for double-decking the Ohio and Indiana turnpikes to "fix" I-80 "bootlegging" off of I-90, how would you handle this case. A driver wishes to travel between Buffalo NY to Des Moines IA. The obvious routing would be first I-90, then I-80. If the turnpikes are double-decked, would this driver be able to "change decks" from I-90 to I-80, or would there be no connection between the two?
Or would you have helicopters on standby, waiting for a signal from the driver who wants to change decks, to grab the car with either grapple hooks or a huge magnet, and redeposit it on the other deck?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:03:56 PM
Yes, there would be either cross-overs or ramps between the decks/inner and outer roadways (jersey turnpike could use these as well). As for I-75/I-85, they should bounce off each other, and I-75 should head southwest, and I-85 is what should continue to Florida. Whoever signed those has no respect for the grid.
Bounce off each other? Do you realize how awkward of a route I-85 would go in if it went from Richmond to Miami? I-85 is a regional route anyway it doesn't matter if it runs out of the grid for 150 miles. With the amount of Michigan to Florida traffic I think having I-75 as the through route is better and before the internet was around people depended on maps to follow so it would be a lot easier to remember that I-75 goes to Florida and you don't have to change highways.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:03:56 PM
Yes, there would be either cross-overs or ramps between the decks/inner and outer roadways (jersey turnpike could use these as well). As for I-75/I-85, they should bounce off each other, and I-75 should head southwest, and I-85 is what should continue to Florida. Whoever signed those has no respect for the grid.
Bounce off each other? Do you realize how awkward of a route I-85 would go in if it went from Richmond to Miami? I-85 is a regional route anyway it doesn't matter if it runs out of the grid for 150 miles. With the amount of Michigan to Florida traffic I think having I-75 as the through route is better and before the internet was around people depended on maps to follow so it would be a lot easier to remember that I-75 goes to Florida and you don't have to change highways.
Then it shouldn't matter if my I-90 runs 150 miles through Canada either.
I-90 is an Interstate. Canada is not part of the United States and doesn't have their highway systems. This isn't even a good example.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:03:56 PM
Yes, there would be either cross-overs or ramps between the decks/inner and outer roadways (jersey turnpike could use these as well). As for I-75/I-85, they should bounce off each other, and I-75 should head southwest, and I-85 is what should continue to Florida. Whoever signed those has no respect for the grid.
Bounce off each other? Do you realize how awkward of a route I-85 would go in if it went from Richmond to Miami? I-85 is a regional route anyway it doesn't matter if it runs out of the grid for 150 miles. With the amount of Michigan to Florida traffic I think having I-75 as the through route is better and before the internet was around people depended on maps to follow so it would be a lot easier to remember that I-75 goes to Florida and you don't have to change highways.
Then it shouldn't matter if my I-90 runs 150 miles through Canada either.
That's not a bad idea because it's out of grid. It's a bad idea because Canada and the United States are separate countries.
Look into why US 97 wasn't extended to Alaska via like-numbered highways in Canada and you'll have your answer. Getting multiple groups (much less governments) to agree on anything is a tall order.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
I agree with that, but even that would be much further than my 261 miles across Canada. They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
So you want Canada to basically give away some of their actual territory so that we can build a road? Would there be passport checks for drivers on the road? How would this work?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:33:14 PM
The point being if we can make exceptions for such a fixed, rigid, and universal system like the grid, why can't we with borders of countries that are already allies?
We'd probably stop being allies pretty damn quick if we demanded a right of way across some of the most valuable land in their country.
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:33:14 PM
The point being if we can make exceptions for such a fixed, rigid, and universal system like the grid, why can't we with borders of countries that are already allies?
We'd probably stop being allies pretty damn quick if we demanded a right of way across some of the most valuable land in their country.
They already like us less than we like them, and this would likely start if not a giant crisis a war. And I would probably support the fellas up north in the war.
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
And then the Canadians who normally use the road have to go through customs in order to use it. Why would they agree to that?
During World War II, the Alaska Highway was built by the US Army entirely at US expense, which Canada agreed to on condition that the portion on their soil be turned over to them after the war ended, as indeed happened. There is a story that at the headquarters of the engineers building the road, the phone was answered, "Army of occupation in the north."
This is US-Canada relations in a nutshell--the alliance is predicated on each side not taking liberties with the other's territory.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:33:14 PM
The point being if we can make exceptions for such a fixed, rigid, and universal system like the grid, why can't we with borders of countries that are already allies?
Because it's not the United States. What is the point? Those routes already have route numbers.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 19, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
I agree with that, but even that would be much further than my 261 miles across Canada. They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
So you want Canada to basically give away some of their actual territory so that we can build a road? Would there be passport checks for drivers on the road? How would this work?
Since the entire road would be American, there would be no customs to enter it. Only at the exits, would there be customs booth, just like Toll booths at the exits of highways. I-90 has a right to its own territory as well.
Stop acting as if highways have feelings.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
This makes no sense at all.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 19, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
I agree with that, but even that would be much further than my 261 miles across Canada. They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
So you want Canada to basically give away some of their actual territory so that we can build a road? Would there be passport checks for drivers on the road? How would this work?
Since the entire road would be American, there would be no customs to enter it. Only at the exits, would there be customs booth, just like Toll booths at the exits of highways. I-90 has a right to its own territory as well.
Stop acting as if highways have feelings.
Seems on brand for the guy who doesn't understand how people work to give inanimate objects feelings.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 19, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
And then the Canadians who normally use the road have to go through customs in order to use it. Why would they agree to that?
That minor inconvenience is not as important as the US not having a consistent and logical interstate highway system.
Minor inconvenience? Do you not have any idea what it's like to cross an International border? It's more than a minor inconvenience. I don't get how you think this even makes sense.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:10:23 PM
@Flint, the point is to have a logical and easy to understand highway grid, and the interstate system is the best way of going about that. Since just the road would be American, we wouldn't really be "hogging" Canadian land. It is needed to fully finish our interstates and have an I-90 that isn't to be confused with I-80.
The Interstate highway system is already easy to understand as it is. What makes you think renumbering highways is going to make things easier to understand? Yes it would be hogging Canadian land and I-80 and I-90 are not confused with each other.
Ok here is a serious question here. What difference does it make what a route number is? If I-80 and I-90 run together what difference does that make? It doesn't change the roadway, it doesn't do anything. It's a road with a highway number and another highway number running along the same route due to the fact that the highways split at some point and take you to other places. What difference does it make what the number is? What difference does it make if it's an Interstate? I think here in Michigan our state has a pretty good idea that we don't need a red, white and blue shield to tell us it's a freeway. We have a pretty good understanding of our highway system and our routes haven't changed in years and we don't change route numbers just for the hell of it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
Canadian and Mexican Borders aren't the same as going through airport customs or landing in an international transport hub in another country. They probably just ask you for your ID, drivers license (if that) and ask how long you'll be there, and that's it. Maybe if you seem really suspicious they'll search your vehicle. I don't even think you need a passport to drive into Canada/Mexico.
Yes you do need a passport, you have to prove citizenship. And it doesn't take you being really suspicious before they'll search your car either.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Actually those requirements may have changed somewhat after 2020, do I'm not sure, but even if you needed a passport, by-land customs between the US and Canada are much easier compared to most international Canada.
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Actually those requirements may have changed somewhat after 2020, do I'm not sure, but even if you needed a passport, by-land customs between the US and Canada are much easier compared to most international Canada.
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Before 9-11 it was required ( not mandatory) to carry birth certificates to cross the U.S.- Canada Border. I've easily gotten across and back ( though the Detroit Windsor Tunnel Station was very tough in 1995) with no major issues.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
I don't even think you need a passport to drive into Canada/Mexico.
You seriously don't know the answer to this? Actually, I'm sure you do. Most of your posts are just to get reactions from others.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Actually, both of these quotes are incorrect. Passports have only been necessary since January, 2007.
I didn't have a passport until about 2006. I drove to Montreal to see the last Phillies-Expos series in September 2004 and used my birth certificate. The border agent rolled his eyes, but he took it, reviewed it, asked the standard questions (where you going, how long, etc), and let me go on my way.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 19, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
And then the Canadians who normally use the road have to go through customs in order to use it. Why would they agree to that?
That minor inconvenience is not as important as the US not having a consistent and logical interstate highway system.
You understand how stupid you sound do you? Or do you not?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
I don't even think you need a passport to drive into Canada/Mexico.
You seriously don't know the answer to this? Actually, I'm sure you do. Most of your posts are just to get reactions from others.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Actually, both of these quotes are incorrect. Passports have only been necessary since January, 2007.
I didn't have a passport until about 2006. I drove to Montreal to see the last Phillies-Expos series in September 2004 and used my birth certificate. The border agent rolled his eyes, but he took it, reviewed it, asked the standard questions (where you going, how long, etc), and let me go on my way.
Isn't there some NEXUS card or something you can use instead?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 12:28:08 AM
Isn't there some NEXUS card or something you can use instead?
I believe NEXUS is something you can use to expedite a crossing. There's a passport card you can use, but either the passport card or book is required to be shown.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Actually those requirements may have changed somewhat after 2020, do I'm not sure, but even if you needed a passport, by-land customs between the US and Canada are much easier compared to most international Canada.
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Honestly, there's a chance he hasn't. If I remember correctly, he's said he's 23, which would mean he was either 1 or 2 when 9/11 happened.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Actually those requirements may have changed somewhat after 2020, do I'm not sure, but even if you needed a passport, by-land customs between the US and Canada are much easier compared to most international Canada.
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Honestly, there's a chance he hasn't. If I remember correctly, he's said he's 23, which would mean he was either 1 or 2 when 9/11 happened.
Every single American over the age of 8 has heard of 9/11.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
So the road that formerly accessed their property is now limited access... no more driveway for their house. How about back to the drawing board on this one.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 01:29:06 AM
Every single American over the age of 8 has heard of 9/11.
There are some real dumb Americans out there.
Hey if a motorist can't read a road sign while relying on the GPS and arrives on a clearly marked toll road to a toll booth not realizing he is on a toll road, then it's possible that some never heard of 9-11 as well.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Actually those requirements may have changed somewhat after 2020, do I'm not sure, but even if you needed a passport, by-land customs between the US and Canada are much easier compared to most international Canada.
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Yep true that. Before 9/11 I could get across the border and not have a problem with customs. They'd simply ask for citizenship, you'd say US and they'd ask what you would be doing in Canada, my answer would be just driving through to New York and they'd let ya go. But since 9/11 it's much more difficult.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 12:28:08 AMIsn't there some NEXUS card or something you can use instead?
NEXUS gives you access to reserved lanes at the customs facility (and often a long ways on the approach) for pre-approved travelers determined to be of "low risk" during an interview process. The membership card can be used instead of a passport/enhanced ID, but typically one would still carry another form of approved ID just in case.
Jesus Christ I haven't "Not Heard" about 9/11. I had looked up stuff about crossing into Canada a couple years ago and something I read said they may not even ask for a passport. If it was wrong, fine, but Jeez. And 9/11 ramped up airport security, because it involved PLANES. What does driving your car north of New York have to do with that? There are roads where the double yellow line is on the border of the US and Canada, so what do people do there?
0h and I don't think major roads like Canada 403 and 401 have driveways to peoples houses right next to it.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
I don't even think you need a passport to drive into Canada/Mexico.
You seriously don't know the answer to this? Actually, I'm sure you do. Most of your posts are just to get reactions from others.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Actually, both of these quotes are incorrect. Passports have only been necessary since January, 2007.
I didn't have a passport until about 2006. I drove to Montreal to see the last Phillies-Expos series in September 2004 and used my birth certificate. The border agent rolled his eyes, but he took it, reviewed it, asked the standard questions (where you going, how long, etc), and let me go on my way.
No it's not incorrect. You have always needed a passport or birth certificate, it just wasn't mandatory. That's the date it became required to do so.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:06:51 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 19, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
People are always unhappy when their houses or businesses are acquired through eminent domain. How much angrier will the Canadians be when they find out it is for an American road?
The road would run along existing roads on Canada and no houses/businesses would need to be relocated. The highway would just need to be converted to full limited Access and the interstate signs installed.
This makes no sense at all.
It makes perfect sense... MMM just wants to invade Canada - probably tanks travelling via ice bridge on the lake - and annex some land for highway.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
The most direct route from Toronto - the largest city - to many places in western Canada is through US territory. Should we cede them highway routes too? After all, we're keeping most of our territory.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 06:46:01 AM
Jesus Christ I haven't "Not Heard" about 9/11.
Many of your posts seem to operate in a plane of reality so different to our own that it is hard to know what you have and haven't gotten wind of over there. 🤷
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 08:38:21 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 06:46:01 AM
Jesus Christ I haven't "Not Heard" about 9/11.
Many of your posts seem to operate in a plane of reality so different to our own that it is hard to know what you have and haven't gotten wind of over there. 🤷
On the plus side, it does give me some hope that we'll eventually as a society get over terrorism paranoia if someone like MMM is oblivious to the security measures taken after 9/11.
Quote from: GaryV on February 20, 2023, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
The most direct route from Toronto - the largest city - to many places in western Canada is through US territory. Should we cede them highway routes too? After all, we're keeping most of our territory.
Good point.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 20, 2023, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
The most direct route from Toronto - the largest city - to many places in western Canada is through US territory. Should we cede them highway routes too? After all, we're keeping most of our territory.
Good point.
Actually transit through other country territory is not an infrequent problem. Gambia-Senegal in Africa may be the the most interesting to discuss right now once India-Bangladesh exclaves are resolved. As far as I remember, Senegal was pretty desperate and offered some solutions making MMM approaches looking very realistic.
Quote from: kalvado on February 20, 2023, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 20, 2023, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
The most direct route from Toronto - the largest city - to many places in western Canada is through US territory. Should we cede them highway routes too? After all, we're keeping most of our territory.
Good point.
Actually transit through other country territory is not an infrequent problem. Gambia-Senegal in Africa may be the the most interesting to discuss right now once India-Bangladesh exclaves are resolved. As far as I remember, Senegal was pretty desperate and offered some solutions making MMM approaches looking very realistic.
Traveling through another country on their roads is one thing.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 20, 2023, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 20, 2023, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
They could simply agree to the highway being an American road and they could keep the rest of their territory.
The most direct route from Toronto - the largest city - to many places in western Canada is through US territory. Should we cede them highway routes too? After all, we're keeping most of our territory.
Good point.
Actually transit through other country territory is not an infrequent problem. Gambia-Senegal in Africa may be the the most interesting to discuss right now once India-Bangladesh exclaves are resolved. As far as I remember, Senegal was pretty desperate and offered some solutions making MMM approaches looking very realistic.
Traveling through another country on their roads is one thing.
Yes, but if that other country becomes too restrictive, things may quickly go bad. US-Canada border is pretty easy, but even then things like gun transit along MMMs "Canada-90" would be a very difficult question. Heck, even gun transit through in NY on I-90 is a very difficult subject. Escalating things to requiring expensive visas, blocking transit and turning people away can quickly escalate into big problems.
Anyone whose driven from Detroit-East coast through Canada tell me how it is?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:39:31 AM
Anyone whose driven from Detroit-East coast through Canada tell me how it is?
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I had some friends from Canada doing that, actually from Winnipeg to Montreal dipping into US twice to make a stop in NY. Got some funny looks for crossing the border 4 times in 2 days...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 06:46:01 AMJesus Christ I haven't "Not Heard" about 9/11. I had looked up stuff about crossing into Canada a couple years ago and something I read said they may not even ask for a passport. If it was wrong, fine, but Jeez. And 9/11 ramped up airport security, because it involved PLANES. What does driving your car north of New York have to do with that? There are roads where the double yellow line is on the border of the US and Canada, so what do people do there?
As an American you can enter Canada without a passport, as long as you present some other document that is considered secure (i.e., not a birth certificate) and is accepted as citizenship proof. The Wikipedia article on the WHTI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative) has details.
People traveling into the interior of either the US or Canada from locations that straddle the international boundary (e.g., Derby Line) must route through a customs post and report there. Failure to do so can lead to an unbelievable amount of hassle since most countries (including the US) have an exception for warrantless search when entering at the border. If they don't like the color of your shoes, they can dismantle your car looking for contraband.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:39:31 AMAnyone whose driven from Detroit-East coast through Canada tell me how it is?
I've done it several times, though as a tourist in Canada. I've never been pulled over for search in secondary, though I was referred there once (at the Blue Water Bridge) when the Canadian customs officer was not understanding that I needed to have questions in writing because I couldn't hear him. The Canadians always ask if you are carrying firearms, alcohol, tobacco, or goods to be consumed or left in Canada. (The last three are dutiable, though exemptions apply. Firearms require a permit, applied for in advance of travel, if they are even legal to bring into Canada. Most pistols that are favored for concealed carry in the US are classified in Canada as "prohibited" due to too-short barrel length, and a 10-round magazine capacity limit also applies.) Delays are usually longer getting back into the US and there is less of a pattern to the questions CBP asks.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 02:07:11 AMThere are some real dumb Americans out there.
My father was in the steam room at the gym several years ago when he heard someone complaining about Canadian firearms laws. This person had apparently traveled to Canada with a gun,
on two separate occasions, and had it confiscated each time because of course he hadn't cleared it in advance. (People who go to Alaska to hunt typically travel by air just to avoid gun-related hassles in Canada, even though long guns are regulated far less stringently there than pistols.)
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 07:13:02 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 19, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
I don't even think you need a passport to drive into Canada/Mexico.
You seriously don't know the answer to this? Actually, I'm sure you do. Most of your posts are just to get reactions from others.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 19, 2023, 10:23:14 PM
You've always needed a passport, it's not just since 2020.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 19, 2023, 11:37:08 PM
Has MMM heard of a certain event that took place in 2001? Any shortcutting the process of border crossings permanently ended forever on that date.
Actually, both of these quotes are incorrect. Passports have only been necessary since January, 2007.
I didn't have a passport until about 2006. I drove to Montreal to see the last Phillies-Expos series in September 2004 and used my birth certificate. The border agent rolled his eyes, but he took it, reviewed it, asked the standard questions (where you going, how long, etc), and let me go on my way.
No it's not incorrect. You have always needed a passport or birth certificate, it just wasn't mandatory. That's the date it became required to do so.
How is that not incorrect? You quoted yourself saying a passport was required.
And no, nothing changed immediately on 9/11/01. The events that day were the catalyst to make changes, but regarding entry into Canada or the US, it was actually many years before changes occurred. About the only thing that changed immediately was airline security, and that even evolved over time. The TSA wasn't created until a few months later, then airline security procedures continued to change, often as a result of reactions to an event that occurred. Compared to some rules that were immediately or eventually put into place, some prohibitiations have been relaxed, but nothing like what it was before 9/11.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 12:11:00 PM
So is a drivers license/social security card enough? I know a license isn't for federal purposes but I would think that's the most common I'd a driver would have on them.
For crossing the border? Are you seriously being dense and ignorant about the required documentation needed to cross?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 12:11:00 PMSo is a drivers license/social security card enough? I know a license isn't for federal purposes but I would think that's the most common ID a driver would have on them.
Nope. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:39:31 AM
Anyone whose driven from Detroit-East coast through Canada tell me how it is?
I'm not quite on the east coast, but I've driven the upstate NY to MI connection through Canada many times (although not since the pandemic). It saves over an hour between Buffalo and Detroit, and over two hours between Niagara Falls and Flint, so it is absolutely worth it IMO. It's no different than crossing the border for any other reason, except that there's usually even less questioning since you won't be bringing anything into Canada to stay or (in most cases) staying overnight there.
But I also cross the border frequently, so it's not a novel experience for me and I don't really think much of it either way. But there's certainly no reason to be extra apprehensive about passing through as opposed to staying in Canada.
Quote from: MultiMillionMilerI-80 is only 121 miles shorter than I-80
Pretty sure that's impossible.
Quote from: kirbykart on February 20, 2023, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMilerI-80 is only 121 miles shorter than I-80
Pretty sure that's impossible.
I-84 is 537 miles shorter than I-84.
Under similar logic, in MMM's own words, I-80 has a gap. Not I-90.
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 20, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 12:11:00 PMSo is a drivers license/social security card enough? I know a license isn't for federal purposes but I would think that's the most common ID a driver would have on them.
Nope. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative)
ENHANCED driver license is listed as an acceptable document.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
Bootleg according to who? You?
Bootleg interstate. (http://www.ajfroggie.com/roadpics/ms/misc-i/i059homemade-shield.jpg)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 18, 2023, 03:03:43 PM
I-90 is imaginary between those 2 points.
All highway numbers are imaginary, unless (1) the agency in charge of route numbering officialily says what number it is, and/or (2) there are numbered route shields along the route. In the case of I-90 where it is duplexed with I-80, both conditions are satisfactorily met.
Actually, often when I did my maps, I moved I-80 off of I-90 and routed it through Fort Wayne on US 30.
We have driven straight through from MI to NY a few times, and never had any problems.
Usually getting back into the US is more of a hassle than getting into Canada.
We have passports, because they're good for 10 years and so on a yearly basis they are about the same cost as a passport card or an enhanced drivers license.
This conversation reminds me I've gotta renew my passport before spring. :P
For the record, 2010 was the first year Americans were "supposed" to have a passport to enter Canada. Because that's when I finally got one.
I'll never forget that one year, they were asking everyone about potatoes at the border going into Canada. Like there was some kind of crop disease they were trying to keep out or something, so if you had potatoes, they'd better be frozen, you Yankee dog! :-D
Quote from: kalvado on February 20, 2023, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 20, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 12:11:00 PMSo is a drivers license/social security card enough? I know a license isn't for federal purposes but I would think that's the most common ID a driver would have on them.
Nope. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative)
ENHANCED driver license is listed as an acceptable document.
The only states that issue an EDL are MI MN NY VT and WA. So for most people that's not an option.
In a lot of red states, even getting a REAL ID-compliant license (thus suitable for federal purposes) is a major chore. In Oklahoma, it involves booking an appointment at the tag agency in advance, and presenting all kinds of rare documents. Most Oklahomans only bother with it if they have a specific reason for doing so. I haven't yet because the last time my license was due all of the tag agencies in my area were booked for months after my license would have expired, whereas for a regular license I could get it done online in a matter of minutes. And now I don't feel like spending money to replace an unexpired license that is perfectly serviceable for my needs, since I don't ever fly anywhere.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
It doesn't but I-80 isn't longer than I-90 which is just fine the way it is.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Maybe we should quit trying to rebut his constant posts about bootleg I-90, and just start reporting them as spam. He's posting the same thing over and over - isn't that the definition of spam?
Quote from: GaryV on February 20, 2023, 06:07:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Maybe we should quit trying to rebut his constant posts about bootleg I-90, and just start reporting them as spam. He's posting the same thing over and over - isn't that the definition of spam?
I believe it is.
Quote from: GaryV on February 20, 2023, 06:07:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Maybe we should quit trying to rebut his constant posts about bootleg I-90, and just start reporting them as spam. He's posting the same thing over and over - isn't that the definition of spam?
The forum rules don't mention "spamming" by name at all. The closest thing to spamming that they come to is:
QuoteAdvertising commercial products or web sites, unless they are related to a forum's main topic. Discretion should apply.
Which isn't what he does. He's just being wrong, repeatedly, which isn't against the forum rules. So if you were to report all of his posts the only thing it would do is send me annoying emails I'd have to delete.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
So if you were to report all of his posts the only thing it would do is send me annoying emails I'd have to delete.
Challenge accepted???
Quote from: SectorZ on February 20, 2023, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
So if you were to report all of his posts the only thing it would do is send me annoying emails I'd have to delete.
Challenge accepted???
Disabling the report feature on a per-user basis isn't much of a challenge. :P
Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 20, 2023, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
So if you were to report all of his posts the only thing it would do is send me annoying emails I'd have to delete.
Challenge accepted???
Disabling the report feature on a per-user basis isn't much of a challenge. :P
So no troll breeding... I still want to find out what it would take to make a real bridge troll. MMM needs to be crossed with someone else, or what?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 has to be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
No
No
No
No
No
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 has to be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
3. Straight? (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/41.5835979,-87.238035/41.5892741,-87.2220667/@41.5881803,-87.2376398,15.12z)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9oOHrRMJI
5. Tell that to Louisiana and I-10.
The link you posted is in Indiana, not Louisiana, I don't get your point?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 09:44:29 PM
The link you posted is in Indiana, not Louisiana, I don't get your point?
The link was in response to your assertion that I-80 is straighter on that overlap. Clearly it isn't. Louisiana was posted in response to your assertion that 2dis must always take the shortest route. Check the numbers next time.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Quote from: kkt on February 20, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Is MMM related to FritzOwl at all? Or the crazy Illinois hypontnuse dude?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 20, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Is MMM related to FritzOwl at all? Or the crazy Illinois hypontnuse dude?
Mr. Diesel Sabb and Crash_It had way more in common. Draw your own conclusions if they both fell into FIB territory.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 20, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Is MMM related to FritzOwl at all? Or the crazy Illinois hypontnuse dude?
No way to tell. I did notice that FritzOwl's postings seems to have dropped when MMM came on - but that doesn't prove anything, his life could have just gotten busier or he realized that his side of the street was already being covered.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
There is no reason for I-90 to travel through Canada, when in the hell are you going to realize that Interstate's are only in the United States? That's our system of highways, Canada has their own system of highways. Why can't you understand that? I-80 is never going to be on US-30's corridor, Too long of a concurrency? Where's it supposed to go? And don't say Canada because that isn't an option. For the 500th time it goes that route to avoid Canada and the Great Lakes. The United States can't build roads in Canada because that is another country, the sooner you realize this the better. How do you figure I-80 is a better quality road? I-90 does not screw up the grid, no one cares about the grid and yes it does so to go around the Great Lakes and Canada (once again a place it can't travel due to the fact that it's another country). If the distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than people are going to follow the route through Canada but it won't be I-90 they'll be on, they'll be on the QEW, ON-401 and ON-402. And no Interstate has ever been built so that it's the shortest distance, for the most part that's what the US highway system was built for. You have no understanding of any of this and it shows.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 20, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Is MMM related to FritzOwl at all? Or the crazy Illinois hypontnuse dude?
They must be related somehow.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 06:59:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 20, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Is MMM related to FritzOwl at all? Or the crazy Illinois hypontnuse dude?
They must be related somehow.
More like Ethanman and his I-366 at 85 mph.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
There is no reason for I-90 to travel through Canada, when in the hell are you going to realize that Interstate's are only in the United States? That's our system of highways, Canada has their own system of highways. Why can't you understand that? I-80 is never going to be on US-30's corridor, Too long of a concurrency? Where's it supposed to go? And don't say Canada because that isn't an option. For the 500th time it goes that route to avoid Canada and the Great Lakes. The United States can't build roads in Canada because that is another country, the sooner you realize this the better. How do you figure I-80 is a better quality road? I-90 does not screw up the grid, no one cares about the grid and yes it does so to go around the Great Lakes and Canada (once again a place it can't travel due to the fact that it's another country). If the distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than people are going to follow the route through Canada but it won't be I-90 they'll be on, they'll be on the QEW, ON-401 and ON-402. And no Interstate has ever been built so that it's the shortest distance, for the most part that's what the US highway system was built for. You have no understanding of any of this and it shows.
We've tried already. He won't budge.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
There is no reason for I-90 to travel through Canada, when in the hell are you going to realize that Interstate's are only in the United States? That's our system of highways, Canada has their own system of highways. Why can't you understand that? I-80 is never going to be on US-30's corridor, Too long of a concurrency? Where's it supposed to go? And don't say Canada because that isn't an option. For the 500th time it goes that route to avoid Canada and the Great Lakes. The United States can't build roads in Canada because that is another country, the sooner you realize this the better. How do you figure I-80 is a better quality road? I-90 does not screw up the grid, no one cares about the grid and yes it does so to go around the Great Lakes and Canada (once again a place it can't travel due to the fact that it's another country). If the distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than people are going to follow the route through Canada but it won't be I-90 they'll be on, they'll be on the QEW, ON-401 and ON-402. And no Interstate has ever been built so that it's the shortest distance, for the most part that's what the US highway system was built for. You have no understanding of any of this and it shows.
We've tried already. He won't budge.
Yeah almost like with fritzowl just going around in circles and getting nowhere
At least FritzOwl puts in some effort to his posts. MMM does not.
They are closer to the same level than you are giving Fritz credit for. Don't forget, he proposed these Interstates:
- The Bering Strait
- The Nevada Test Site
- Numerous glacial fields in Alaska
- Glacier Point to Yosemite Valley (in a direct line)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 21, 2023, 10:58:00 AM
They are closer to the same level than you are giving Fritz credit for. Don't forget, he proposed these Interstates:
- The Bering Strait
- The Nevada Test Site
- Numerous glacial fields in Alaska
- Glacier Point to Yosemite Valley (in a direct line)
But at least FritzOwl makes maps and doesn't just ramble on.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
There is no reason for I-90 to travel through Canada, when in the hell are you going to realize that Interstate's are only in the United States? That's our system of highways, Canada has their own system of highways. Why can't you understand that? I-80 is never going to be on US-30's corridor, Too long of a concurrency? Where's it supposed to go? And don't say Canada because that isn't an option. For the 500th time it goes that route to avoid Canada and the Great Lakes. The United States can't build roads in Canada because that is another country, the sooner you realize this the better. How do you figure I-80 is a better quality road? I-90 does not screw up the grid, no one cares about the grid and yes it does so to go around the Great Lakes and Canada (once again a place it can't travel due to the fact that it's another country). If the distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than people are going to follow the route through Canada but it won't be I-90 they'll be on, they'll be on the QEW, ON-401 and ON-402. And no Interstate has ever been built so that it's the shortest distance, for the most part that's what the US highway system was built for. You have no understanding of any of this and it shows.
I-80 is less windy-weavy over its length than I-90, that's why it higher quality.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 11:11:42 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 10:35:43 AM
At least FritzOwl puts in some effort to his posts. MMM does not.
Fritzowl never explains or defends his ideas though. At least I try to give logical and consistent reasons for why my plans actually are needed, like those 5 points above.
Sometimes no logic is better than bad logic.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 21, 2023, 07:29:03 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 06:59:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 20, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 20, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 20, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
It's 121 miles shorter than I-90. Since 300 of those I-90 miles are bootleg, I-80 is the longest interstate.
That corridor between Cleveland and Chicago is I-80 just as much as it is I-90 and I-90 just as much as it is I-80.
Again, why does it matter if I-80 is longer than I-90? Both are fine as is.
All together now:
I Think This Is Needed.
Is MMM related to FritzOwl at all? Or the crazy Illinois hypontnuse dude?
They must be related somehow.
More like Ethanman and his I-366 at 85 mph.
What's that?
Maybe you could search for it, instead of asking others to do your homework for you.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2023, 05:40:37 PM
The only states that issue an EDL are MI MN NY VT and WA. So for most people that's not an option.
In a lot of red states, even getting a REAL ID-compliant license (thus suitable for federal purposes) is a major chore. In Oklahoma, it involves booking an appointment at the tag agency in advance, and presenting all kinds of rare documents. Most Oklahomans only bother with it if they have a specific reason for doing so. I haven't yet because the last time my license was due all of the tag agencies in my area were booked for months after my license would have expired, whereas for a regular license I could get it done online in a matter of minutes. And now I don't feel like spending money to replace an unexpired license that is perfectly serviceable for my needs, since I don't ever fly anywhere.
Similar story here. Last time I renewed my license, I intended to get a REAL-compliant license, but apparently I had neglected to grab some document or another before heading there. So I just got a regular DL instead.
But I don't see any pressing need for one, considering I have a passport.
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
You still need Canadian government permission to dig through their land.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
You still need Canadian government permission to dig through their land.
The permission isn't the issue. Apparently the US will just tell Canada to house one of their interstates. The main issue is the customs at every exit. Again, this is a must in order to fix the grid.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
You still need Canadian government permission to dig through their land.
The permission isn't the issue. Apparently the US will just tell Canada to house one of their interstates. The main issue is the customs at every exit. Again, this is a must in order to fix the grid.
This could start World War 3. Canada could consider this an act of war and activate NATO article 5, which could cause France and the UK to nuke America. Bye bye humanity, thanks MMM.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
You still need Canadian government permission to dig through their land.
The permission isn't the issue. Apparently the US will just tell Canada to house one of their interstates. The main issue is the customs at every exit. Again, this is a must in order to fix the grid.
This could start World War 3. Canada could consider this an act of war and activate NATO article 5, which could cause France and the UK to nuke America. Bye bye humanity, thanks MMM.
But at least right before they nuke America, we will have a perfect interstate grid.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
You still need Canadian government permission to dig through their land.
The permission isn't the issue. Apparently the US will just tell Canada to house one of their interstates. The main issue is the customs at every exit. Again, this is a must in order to fix the grid.
This could start World War 3. Canada could consider this an act of war and activate NATO article 5, which could cause France and the UK to nuke America. Bye bye humanity, thanks MMM.
But at least right before they nuke America, we will have a perfect interstate grid.
Perfect grid for the aliens to find after they discover the barren nuclear wasteland created after the MMMWW3.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
You still need Canadian government permission to dig through their land.
Canada should merge with all other cities in Miami-Dade County.
Problem solved.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
I actually figured that for the Lake Michigan section, instead of rocket powered ferries that carry the cars, we could have what's called RWMs (Road-Water-Modules) that you pull your car on top of it, it hooks perfectly into your cars engine and steering column, and, you can drive your own car across the water, using your own gas and steering wheel. The module would only be a few more square feet than your vehicle, but would still float under the weight of your vehicle. You would drive as you would normally on a road, but the module would connect your car controls to propellers/directional controls underneath the module. Now we would need to have stationary buoes on the water with I-90 shields, but this is far more reasonable than the stationary balloons/cargo plane idea. As for Canada, I am still unsure.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
I actually figured that for the Michigan Great Lakes section, instead if rocket powered ferries that carry the cars, we could have what's called RWMs (Road-Water-Modules) that you pull your car on top of it, it hooks perfectly into your cars engine and steering column, and, you can drive your own car across the water, using your own gas and steering wheel. The module would only be a few more square feet than your vehicle, but would still float. You would drivers you would normally on a road, but the module would connect your car controls to propellers/directional controls underneath the module. Now we would need to have e stationary buoes on the water with I-90 shields, but this is far more reasonable than the stationary balloons/cargo plane idea. As for Canada, I am still unsure.
Just build a fucking tunnel under Lake Michigan.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
I actually figured that for the Lake Michigan section, instead of rocket powered ferries that carry the cars, we could have what's called RWMs (Road-Water-Modules) that you pull your car on top of it, it hooks perfectly into your cars engine and steering column, and, you can drive your own car across the water, using your own gas and steering wheel. The module would only be a few more square feet than your vehicle, but would still float under the weight of your vehicle. You would drive as you would normally on a road, but the module would connect your car controls to propellers/directional controls underneath the module. Now we would need to have stationary buoes on the water with I-90 shields, but this is far more reasonable than the stationary balloons/cargo plane idea. As for Canada, I am still unsure.
Good lord, you can't manage to drive a car around gentle curves without going into a conniption fit. What are you going to do about 30 foot waves?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
I actually figured that for the Lake Michigan section, instead of rocket powered ferries that carry the cars, we could have what's called RWMs (Road-Water-Modules) that you pull your car on top of it, it hooks perfectly into your cars engine and steering column, and, you can drive your own car across the water, using your own gas and steering wheel. The module would only be a few more square feet than your vehicle, but would still float under the weight of your vehicle. You would drive as you would normally on a road, but the module would connect your car controls to propellers/directional controls underneath the module. Now we would need to have stationary buoes on the water with I-90 shields, but this is far more reasonable than the stationary balloons/cargo plane idea. As for Canada, I am still unsure.
If you need to take a wizz while driving across Lake Michigan, just open the car door. :)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
Just build a fucking tunnel under Lake Michigan
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module.
Please elaborate.
And then tell me you've never worked on a car without telling me you've never worked on a car.
Quote from: kphoger on February 21, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:20:38 PM
it hooks perfectly into your cars engine
Please elaborate.
Something like this
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Cycloped_horse-powered_locomotive.jpg)
MMM is entering his FritzOwl era.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
Just build a fucking tunnel under Lake Michigan
You realize that tunnel would be at least twice as long and 4 times as deep as the Chunnel, right?
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 03:32:43 PM
MMM is entering his FritzOwl era.
I think that he's worse than the Owl. Also, as crazy as this idea is, at least it won't start WW3 like his Canada idea.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 03:32:43 PM
MMM is entering his FritzOwl era.
I think that he's worse than the Owl. Also, as crazy as this idea is, at least it won't start WW3 like his Canada idea.
Worse than the Owl? Have you forgotten that the Owl has roads planned in North Korea?
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Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
There is no reason for I-90 to travel through Canada, when in the hell are you going to realize that Interstate's are only in the United States? That's our system of highways, Canada has their own system of highways. Why can't you understand that? I-80 is never going to be on US-30's corridor, Too long of a concurrency? Where's it supposed to go? And don't say Canada because that isn't an option. For the 500th time it goes that route to avoid Canada and the Great Lakes. The United States can't build roads in Canada because that is another country, the sooner you realize this the better. How do you figure I-80 is a better quality road? I-90 does not screw up the grid, no one cares about the grid and yes it does so to go around the Great Lakes and Canada (once again a place it can't travel due to the fact that it's another country). If the distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than people are going to follow the route through Canada but it won't be I-90 they'll be on, they'll be on the QEW, ON-401 and ON-402. And no Interstate has ever been built so that it's the shortest distance, for the most part that's what the US highway system was built for. You have no understanding of any of this and it shows.
I-80 is less windy-weavy over its length than I-90, that's why it higher quality.
LMAO that doesn't make a highway better quality
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MMM is entering his FritzOwl era.
I think that he's worse than the Owl. Also, as crazy as this idea is, at least it won't start WW3 like his Canada idea.
Worse than the Owl? Have you forgotten that the Owl has roads planned in North Korea?
At least those roads are physically possible under the laws of physics. MMMs Lake Michigan plan on the other hand...
I would guess that I-80 actually is better quality than I-90 because farther south means less freeze-thaw.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 20, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Here's a summary of why I-90 should be built through Canada, since posts may have been confused/misunderstood with other arguments..etc
1. US 30 isn't good enough for I-80
2. I-80 along I-90 for 300 miles is too long of a concurrency, and the length of the concurrency exceed the length difference in the interstates, thus the longest interstate title is bootleg.
3. I-80 is the straighter, better quality road overall, so if one number has to yield to the other (speaking figuratively) 90 should have to yield to 80.
4. I-90 screws up the grid by dipping so far south just to go around the great lakes, whereas through Canada, it would go in more of a straight line.
5. The distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than via the current alignment if I-90, and interstates, especially 2 digit ones, should always be the shortest distance between any two points on that interstate.
There is no reason for I-90 to travel through Canada, when in the hell are you going to realize that Interstate's are only in the United States? That's our system of highways, Canada has their own system of highways. Why can't you understand that? I-80 is never going to be on US-30's corridor, Too long of a concurrency? Where's it supposed to go? And don't say Canada because that isn't an option. For the 500th time it goes that route to avoid Canada and the Great Lakes. The United States can't build roads in Canada because that is another country, the sooner you realize this the better. How do you figure I-80 is a better quality road? I-90 does not screw up the grid, no one cares about the grid and yes it does so to go around the Great Lakes and Canada (once again a place it can't travel due to the fact that it's another country). If the distance to Canada from Buffalo is shorter than people are going to follow the route through Canada but it won't be I-90 they'll be on, they'll be on the QEW, ON-401 and ON-402. And no Interstate has ever been built so that it's the shortest distance, for the most part that's what the US highway system was built for. You have no understanding of any of this and it shows.
I-80 is less windy-weavy over its length than I-90, that's why it higher quality.
LMAO that doesn't make a highway better quality
Dude we've tried to tell him that already
Imagine being behind this beast. Could it handle the curves on I-90?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230221/ff0b73f1df9728282515fe5a68949ec8.jpg)
MultiMillionMiler, what do you think of I-70 through Glenwood Canyon in Colorado? Just curious.
Quote from: GaryV on February 21, 2023, 03:32:59 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
Just build a fucking tunnel under Lake Michigan
You realize that tunnel would be at least twice as long and 4 times as deep as the Chunnel, right?
Musk was flirting with idea of floating submerged tunnel. Quick google shows that it's fairly popular - but not realized- concept. Same concept transoceanic cables use - cable is at more or less constant depth, not on the bottom.
While pretty controversial technically, I would call that idea at least entertaining.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F190128124612-15-norway-underwater-floating-tunnel.jpg&hash=10d892c36964c156679ab51a645f13012a54cee7)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:37:14 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
Just build a fucking tunnel under Lake Michigan
I'm saving my tunnel resources for under the Rockies.
You know that you can build multiple tunnels in different places right? We won't run out of tunnel parts. Now we might run out of money, but you don't seem to think that money is a real resource.
Quote from: GaryV on February 21, 2023, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
Just build a fucking tunnel under Lake Michigan
You realize that tunnel would be at least twice as long and 4 times as deep as the Chunnel, right?
Still more realistic than whatever the hell he is proposing
Quote from: 1 on February 21, 2023, 03:34:12 PM
Worse than the Owl? Have you forgotten that the Owl has roads planned in North Korea?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:35:59 PM
At least those roads are physically possible under the laws of physics.
Have you both forgotten that real, actual roads already exist in North Korea?
Musk can't get his cars to drive without crashing into a fire truck. I don't trust any schemes from that quarter.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 21, 2023, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 03:32:43 PM
MMM is entering his FritzOwl era.
I think that he's worse than the Owl. Also, as crazy as this idea is, at least it won't start WW3 like his Canada idea.
Worse than the Owl? Have you forgotten that the Owl has roads planned in North Korea?
At least those roads are physically possible under the laws of physics. MMMs Lake Michigan plan on the other hand...
You could build hundreds of thousands of miles of road in North Korea before you build a 50 mile long tunnel, let alone a 200-300 mile one.
Quote from: kphoger on February 21, 2023, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 21, 2023, 03:34:12 PM
Worse than the Owl? Have you forgotten that the Owl has roads planned in North Korea?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:35:59 PM
At least those roads are physically possible under the laws of physics.
Have you both forgotten that real, actual roads already exist in North Korea?
Yes I know that. That's why I was saying that MMM's plans are crazier.
Quote from: GaryV on February 21, 2023, 03:41:34 PM
Musk can't get his cars to drive without crashing into a fire truck. I don't trust any schemes from that quarter.
More like he can't get his cars to be driven by actual humans.
They had a hard enough time building the Mackinac Bridge could you imagine a tunnel under Lake Michigan?
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
They had a hard enough time building the Mackinac Bridge could you imagine a tunnel under Lake Michigan?
I KNOW it's unrealistic and will never happen. I'm just saying it's more realistic than MMM's plans.
Quote from: GaryV on February 21, 2023, 03:41:34 PM
Musk can't get his cars to drive without crashing into a fire truck. I don't trust any schemes from that quarter.
Well, there are many others considering the idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submerged_floating_tunnel
Whatever it is - challenging, expensive, not straightforward - it is not crazy.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
They had a hard enough time building the Mackinac Bridge could you imagine a tunnel under Lake Michigan?
I KNOW it's unrealistic and will never happen. I'm just saying it's more realistic than MMM's plans.
The length of the tunnel and the depth of the water would be two reasons why it would never happen.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:43:00 PM
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Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
I actually figured that for the Lake Michigan section, instead of rocket powered ferries that carry the cars, we could have what's called RWMs (Road-Water-Modules) that you pull your car on top of it, it hooks perfectly into your cars engine and steering column, and, you can drive your own car across the water, using your own gas and steering wheel. The module would only be a few more square feet than your vehicle, but would still float under the weight of your vehicle. You would drive as you would normally on a road, but the module would connect your car controls to propellers/directional controls underneath the module. Now we would need to have stationary buoes on the water with I-90 shields, but this is far more reasonable than the stationary balloons/cargo plane idea. As for Canada, I am still unsure.
If you need to take a wizz while driving across Lake Michigan, just open the car door. :)
I have a separate idea for the peeing while driving problem. A tube could be fed from the exhaust pipe to under the steering wheel, that you quickly "hook up" to yourself, similar to how astronauts do it, and it would all simply drip out the exhaust pipe as your driving.
What's your idea for going number 2 then?
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
They had a hard enough time building the Mackinac Bridge could you imagine a tunnel under Lake Michigan?
I KNOW it's unrealistic and will never happen. I'm just saying it's more realistic than MMM's plans.
The length of the tunnel and the depth of the water would be two reasons why it would never happen.
Hello? Cost?
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on February 21, 2023, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Has there been any thought to a bored tunnel through Canada for I-90. That gets around that pesky customs issue. Just bore a 200-300 mile long tunnel.
I actually figured that for the Lake Michigan section, instead of rocket powered ferries that carry the cars, we could have what's called RWMs (Road-Water-Modules) that you pull your car on top of it, it hooks perfectly into your cars engine and steering column, and, you can drive your own car across the water, using your own gas and steering wheel. The module would only be a few more square feet than your vehicle, but would still float under the weight of your vehicle. You would drive as you would normally on a road, but the module would connect your car controls to propellers/directional controls underneath the module. Now we would need to have stationary buoes on the water with I-90 shields, but this is far more reasonable than the stationary balloons/cargo plane idea. As for Canada, I am still unsure.
If you need to take a wizz while driving across Lake Michigan, just open the car door. :)
I have a separate idea for the peeing while driving problem. A tube could be fed from the exhaust pipe to under the steering wheel, that you quickly "hook up" to yourself, similar to how astronauts do it, and it would all simply drip out the exhaust pipe as your driving.
What's your idea for going number 2 then?
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
They had a hard enough time building the Mackinac Bridge could you imagine a tunnel under Lake Michigan?
I KNOW it's unrealistic and will never happen. I'm just saying it's more realistic than MMM's plans.
The length of the tunnel and the depth of the water would be two reasons why it would never happen.
Hello? Cost?
That would tie in with the length of the tunnel and water depth.
We could have a seat that has a sort of trapdoor under that area. However, this couldn't just be fed into the exhaust pipe the same way. I'm considering a set of compact lasers underneath the seat to vaporize as much of it as possible into gaseous form, which could then be fed into the exhaust pipe and out of the car. This tube would merge with tube 1 before the exhaust pipe. I have a feeling this would also help reduce tailgating.
The United States and Canada fought a war once. Do you really want Toronto and Washington DC to be burned again?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:52:09 PM
We could have a seat that has a sort of trapdoor under that area. However, this couldn't just be fed into the exhaust pipe the same way. I'm considering a set of compact lasers underneath the seat to vaporize as much of it as possible into gaseous form, which could then be fed into the exhaust pipe and out of the car. This tube would merge with tube 1 before the exhaust pipe. I have a feeling this would also help reduce tailgating.
Reduce tailgating? You can work with the Finland dude on that one. He wants to turn American sports into European sports, and there is no tailgating in European sports.
MMM, you never answered this question about your Road-Water Modules:
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What are you going to do about 30-foot waves?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
A way to solve this problem that has actually been used successfully is to load the motor vehicles onto trains, have the train carry them through a tunnel, and unload them on the other side.
A modern electrified railroad can go much much faster than motor vehicles on a freeway, even unlimited sections of the autobahn.
A tunnel for an electrified train has very modest ventilation requirements, whereas a road tunnel has large ventilation requirements and needs either a huge air shaft or periodic shafts to the surface.
Vehicles loaded on trains works on the Channel Tunnel, and one (at least) of the Swiss Alps tunnels.
Quote from: kkt on February 21, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
A way to solve this problem that has actually been used successfully is to load the motor vehicles onto trains, have the train carry them through a tunnel, and unload them on the other side.
A modern electrified railroad can go much much faster than motor vehicles on a freeway, even unlimited sections of the autobahn.
A tunnel for an electrified train has very modest ventilation requirements, whereas a road tunnel has large ventilation requirements and needs either a huge air shaft or periodic shafts to the surface.
Vehicles loaded on trains works on the Channel Tunnel, and one (at least) of the Swiss Alps tunnels.
Building a tunnel under Lake Michigan is still probably too expensive and not all that practical, but it's better than MMM's plans.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
Sorry, there have been alot of new posts so it's hard to keep up. The craft would be designed like a wave-runner, with a foward shield to help stop the water from splashing into your car. Since when are there waves that large in lake MI anyway?
I don't know, why don't you ask the crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:02:26 PM
That would be fine too. I only suggested the RWM idea since drivers would be using their own engine/gas to power them, the state wouldn't have to spend as much money to power them. It would be equivalent to you grabbing one of those rafts at a water park.
The state would have to spend a lot of money to provide guides at the two ends to help drivers understand what the fuck is going on.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 21, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
A way to solve this problem that has actually been used successfully is to load the motor vehicles onto trains, have the train carry them through a tunnel, and unload them on the other side.
A modern electrified railroad can go much much faster than motor vehicles on a freeway, even unlimited sections of the autobahn.
A tunnel for an electrified train has very modest ventilation requirements, whereas a road tunnel has large ventilation requirements and needs either a huge air shaft or periodic shafts to the surface.
Vehicles loaded on trains works on the Channel Tunnel, and one (at least) of the Swiss Alps tunnels.
Building a tunnel under Lake Michigan is still probably too expensive and not all that practical, but it's better than MMM's plans.
How about building a dedicated high speed rail line from near Madison to Cleveland, going around the lake? Should be faster than driving even if a tunnel was built.
Quote from: kkt on February 21, 2023, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: kkt on February 21, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
When you align your car on the pad, a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module. This way, you hitting the gas would power the propellers underneath instead of your wheels. Cars might be required to keep their car in neutral or park though during the trip. Once you reach land again, the module will detach the tube and retract itself back into the pad.
A way to solve this problem that has actually been used successfully is to load the motor vehicles onto trains, have the train carry them through a tunnel, and unload them on the other side.
A modern electrified railroad can go much much faster than motor vehicles on a freeway, even unlimited sections of the autobahn.
A tunnel for an electrified train has very modest ventilation requirements, whereas a road tunnel has large ventilation requirements and needs either a huge air shaft or periodic shafts to the surface.
Vehicles loaded on trains works on the Channel Tunnel, and one (at least) of the Swiss Alps tunnels.
Building a tunnel under Lake Michigan is still probably too expensive and not all that practical, but it's better than MMM's plans.
How about building a dedicated high speed rail line from near Madison to Cleveland, going around the lake? Should be faster than driving even if a tunnel was built.
MMM, what are your thoughts on public transit?
It would be fully automated. You drive your car onto the thing, put it in park, and the thing will automatically adjust to fit your car, it insert the connecting tube automatically which will temporarily rewire your car, and then you just go, except you will be driving on the water instead of land. People who live within 500 miles of Lake Michigan will have questions about this added on to their written driving exam.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:10:28 PM
It would be fully automated. You drive your car onto the thing, put it in park, and the thing will automatically adjust to fit your car, it insert the connecting tube automatically which will temporarily rewire your car, and then you just go, except you will be driving on the water instead of land. People who live within 500 miles of Lake Mochigan will have questions about this added on to their written driving exam.
Is this even physically possible with today's technology?
I'm sorry, this tread was a lot more entertaining when it was about Alanland.
My thoughts on public transit are that except for buses, it is stupid. Subway fares should be hiked significantly and that money used to replace tolls on highways. Trackways and subway tunnels should be turned into 2 lane divided highways.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:10:28 PM
It would be fully automated. You drive your car onto the thing, put it in park, and the thing will automatically adjust to fit your car, it insert the connecting tube automatically which will temporarily rewire your car, and then you just go, except you will be driving on the water instead of land. People who live within 500 miles of Lake Mochigan will have questions about this added on to their written driving exam.
Is this even physically possible with today's technology?
I don't think I care about the practicality of this as much as I care about lasers that vaporize deuces!! My life could finally be complete!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:10:28 PM
It would be fully automated. You drive your car onto the thing, put it in park, and the thing will automatically adjust to fit your car, it insert the connecting tube automatically which will temporarily rewire your car, and then you just go, except you will be driving on the water instead of land. People who live within 500 miles of Lake Michigan will have questions about this added on to their written driving exam.
Oh come on. There aren't even any questions on the driving exam about changing a spare tire.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 21, 2023, 04:15:42 PM
I'm sorry, this tread was a lot more entertaining when it was about Alanland.
It might as well be Alanland now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
My thoughts on public transit are that except for buses, it is stupid. Subway fares should be hiked significantly and that money used to replace tolls on highways. Trackways and subway tunnels should be turned into 2 lane divided highways.
That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this forum. Are you like the kid of FritzOwl and Kernals12?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:10:28 PM
It would be fully automated. You drive your car onto the thing, put it in park, and the thing will automatically adjust to fit your car, it insert the connecting tube automatically which will temporarily rewire your car, and then you just go, except you will be driving on the water instead of land. People who live within 500 miles of Lake Mochigan will have questions about this added on to their written driving exam.
Is this even physically possible with today's technology?
I can see fuel consumption and travel time as biggest issues. 100 miles at typical marine speeds is a few hours, and single vehicle craft would burn more than a tank of fuel in process.
But its nothing in comparison to Straightening the Grid!
Speaking of Drivers Licensing Requirements, I have revised my plans on what they should be:
1. 2 hour long 100 question written exam on road signs, car controls, driving procedures, basic automotive engineering/design, vehicle inspection, road rules, and emergency procedures.
2. 1 hour long road test on basic maneuvers, parallel parking, U-Turns, 2 way streets, signaling, vehicle inspection, distance judging, lane changing, and merging, with a minimum of 1/2 hour of highway driving, and a minimum of 15 minutes of urban driving.
3. No frequency limit on re-taking either exam, with a fixed fee of $5 per test.
4. Both exams must be offered between the hours of 1 pm and 5 pm on weekdays.
5.Tests taken on the weekend must require a higher passing score on both the theory and road tests. One must score at least 75% to pass the written test and 80% to pass the road test on a weekday. To be eligible for a weekend road test, one must score at least 80% on the written test, and minimum passing score rises to 90% for weekend road tests, due to reduced traffic.
6. Minimum ages set at: 14 to receive learner permit, which one must pass the 100 question, 5 choices per answer, MC written test, 15 to take the road test.
7. Free car insurance with comprehensive collision included for those who receive both perfect scores on the written and road tests, (but passed tests can not be retaken for this purposes).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
Sorry, there have been alot of new posts so it's hard to keep up. The craft would be designed like a wave-runner, with a foward shield to help stop the water from splashing into your car. Since when are there waves that large in lake MI anyway?
There are waves that high all over the Great Lakes. I take it you've never been anywhere around the Great Lakes during a storm.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:17:44 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
My thoughts on public transit are that except for buses, it is stupid. Subway fares should be hiked significantly and that money used to replace tolls on highways. Trackways and subway tunnels should be turned into 2 lane divided highways.
That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this forum. Are you like the kid of FritzOwl and Kernals12?
I don't believe FritzOwl is anti-mass-transit, he's just into wallpapering interstates all over the place.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:10:28 PM
People who live within 500 miles of Lake Michigan will have questions about this added on to their written driving exam.
No we won't
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
My thoughts on public transit are that except for buses, it is stupid. Subway fares should be hiked significantly and that money used to replace tolls on highways. Trackways and subway tunnels should be turned into 2 lane divided highways.
Public transit money and highway money are two different things.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
To compensate for subways being fully replaced by new roads and buses, the government would in turn be required to institute a "universal car care" at the federal level (akin to universal Healthcare, but for car maintenance costs).
Do you understand how much of a disaster replacing the NYC subway with road tunnels would be? And where would all of the cars park?
Quote from: kphoger on February 21, 2023, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:29:20 PM
a tube will come up out of the front, under your hood, and tap into your engine power, re-routing power from the engine to the floating module.
Please elaborate.
And then tell me you've never worked on a car without telling me you've never worked on a car.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:10:28 PM
It would be fully automated. You drive your car onto the thing, put it in park, and the thing will automatically adjust to fit your car, it insert the connecting tube automatically which will temporarily rewire your car, and then you just go,
Please elaborate.
And then tell me you've never even crawled under a car and looked up, without telling me you've never even crawled under a car and looked up.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:52:09 PM
I'm considering a set of compact lasers
Of course you are.
Because the grid. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 04:40:37 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
My thoughts on public transit are that except for buses, it is stupid. Subway fares should be hiked significantly and that money used to replace tolls on highways. Trackways and subway tunnels should be turned into 2 lane divided highways.
Public transit money and highway money are two different things.
Well technically it's all taxpayer money at the end of the day, although transit does get money from fares as well (and highways from toll roads).
Quote from: kkt on February 21, 2023, 03:52:37 PM
The United States and Canada fought a war once. Do you really want Toronto and Washington DC to be burned again?
We won the San Juans in the other one, though.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
Sorry, there have been alot of new posts so it's hard to keep up. The craft would be designed like a wave-runner, with a foward shield to help stop the water from splashing into your car. Since when are there waves that large in lake MI anyway?
There are waves that high all over the Great Lakes. I take it you've never been anywhere around the Great Lakes during a storm.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:35:45 PM
Speaking of Drivers Licensing Requirements, I have revised my plans on what they should be:
1. 2 hour long 100 question written exam on road signs, car controls, driving procedures, basic automotive engineering/design, vehicle inspection, road rules, and emergency procedures.
2. 1 hour long road test on basic maneuvers, parallel parking, U-Turns, 2 way streets, signaling, vehicle inspection, distance judging, lane changing, and merging, with a minimum of 1/2 hour of highway driving, and a minimum of 15 minutes of urban driving.
3. No frequency limit on re-taking either exam, with a fixed fee of $5 per test.
4. Both exams must be offered between the hours of 1 pm and 5 pm on weekdays.
5.Tests taken on the weekend must require a higher passing score on both the theory and road tests. One must score at least 75% to pass the written test and 80% to pass the road test on a weekday. To be eligible for a weekend road test, one must score at least 80% on the written test, and minimum passing score rises to 90% for weekend road tests, due to reduced traffic.
6. Minimum ages set at: 14 to receive learner permit, which one must pass the 100 question, 5 choices per answer, MC written test, 15 to take the road test.
7. Free car insurance with comprehensive collision included for those who receive both perfect scores on the written and road tests, (but passed tests can not be retaken for this purposes).
Do you realize there are tens of thousands of license applicants at any given time? This would create a huge backlog and cause some to probably keep waiting more than a year for their license or permit, in addition to already long wait times at many DMVs around the country. The state only has so many resources and that level of complexity is above most DMV employees' pay grade anyway. I remember my road test was less than 15 minutes.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
To compensate for subways being fully replaced by new roads and buses, the government would in turn be required to institute a "universal car care" at the federal level (akin to universal Healthcare, but for car maintenance costs).
To save costs, we should have multiple people use the same vehicle in a manner similar to a public hospital.
We could chain several vehicles together so that only one person will be needed to drive those dozens or hundreds of passengers. We could even allow them to stand to fit more people during times of high demand.
Since these chained vehicles would be too long to fit on most city streets, we should bury them underground and build on and off ramps for passengers. There can even be stairs and elevators.
This is a revolutionary idea that I will license for $12 billion.
No, the lasers have nothing to do with the grid. They are part of my needing to use the bathroom while driving solution plan. Each seat in the car, not just the driver, would have a circular opening that you can push open when you have to go. After you do your business, you hit a "flush" button. Underneath each seat would be an array of short range compact lasers that would vaporize, or at least breakdown the shit into as tiny pieces as possible, which would in turn be sent down thin tubes toward the exhaust pipe, dumping it out of the car in a mostly gaseous/drippy form.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:35:45 PM
Speaking of Drivers Licensing Requirements, I have revised my plans on what they should be:
1. 2 hour long 100 question written exam on road signs, car controls, driving procedures, basic automotive engineering/design, vehicle inspection, road rules, and emergency procedures.
2. 1 hour long road test on basic maneuvers, parallel parking, U-Turns, 2 way streets, signaling, vehicle inspection, distance judging, lane changing, and merging, with a minimum of 1/2 hour of highway driving, and a minimum of 15 minutes of urban driving.
3. No frequency limit on re-taking either exam, with a fixed fee of $5 per test.
4. Both exams must be offered between the hours of 1 pm and 5 pm on weekdays.
5.Tests taken on the weekend must require a higher passing score on both the theory and road tests. One must score at least 75% to pass the written test and 80% to pass the road test on a weekday. To be eligible for a weekend road test, one must score at least 80% on the written test, and minimum passing score rises to 90% for weekend road tests, due to reduced traffic.
6. Minimum ages set at: 14 to receive learner permit, which one must pass the 100 question, 5 choices per answer, MC written test, 15 to take the road test.
7. Free car insurance with comprehensive collision included for those who receive both perfect scores on the written and road tests, (but passed tests can not be retaken for this purposes).
Do you realize there are tens of thousands of license applicants at any given time? This would create a huge backlog and cause some to probably keep waiting more than a year for their license or permit, in addition to already long wait times at many DMVs around the country. The state only has so many resources and that level of complexity is above most DMV employees' pay grade anyway. I remember my road test was less than 15 minutes.
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road. Not to mention since the minimum age is only 14-15 in my plans, one has tons of time to study for the written test and driving exam.
Dude maybe if you support improving public transit, some of your ideas would have more merit as a car would no longer be needed. If you get rid of public transit and make it harder to get a license, how would people get around? Walking?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road. Not to mention since the minimum age is only 14-15 in my plans, one has tons of time to study for the written test and driving exam.
Less drivers = less people going places = less people conducting business = massive economic recession
It's not purely about getting to the destination, it's also about what you do there.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road. Not to mention since the minimum age is only 14-15 in my plans, one has tons of time to study for the written test and driving exam.
Less drivers = less people going places = less people conducting business = massive economic recession
It's not purely about getting to the destination, it's also about what you do there.
Well given that one of MMM's goals could start WW3, I don't think that he cares about recession.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
I think that went out the window before this thread was started–i.e. either in the thread where he was saying he was too much of a wuss to drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike, or maybe the one where he was wrong about the states of Nevada and Arizona.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2023, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
I think that went out the window before this thread was started–i.e. either in the thread where he was saying he was too much of a wuss to drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike, or maybe the one where he was wrong about the states of Nevada and Arizona.
I think that went out the window when he went out the womb
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Each seat in the car, not just the driver, would have a circular opening that you can push open when you have to go.
Why do they have to be circular? Couldn't they be octagonal?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road.
I assume you must be in favor of expanding public transit, then. I mean, those people still need to get from A to B.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road. Not to mention since the minimum age is only 14-15 in my plans, one has tons of time to study for the written test and driving exam.
Less drivers = less people going places = less people conducting business = massive economic recession
It's not purely about getting to the destination, it's also about what you do there.
Well given that one of MMM's goals could start WW3, I don't think that he cares about recession.
Which, ironically, a WW3 probably would cause an economic boom at some point (if WW2 is any indicator).
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road. Not to mention since the minimum age is only 14-15 in my plans, one has tons of time to study for the written test and driving exam.
Less drivers = less people going places = less people conducting business = massive economic recession
It's not purely about getting to the destination, it's also about what you do there.
Well given that one of MMM's goals could start WW3, I don't think that he cares about recession.
Which, ironically, a WW3 probably would cause an economic boom at some point (if WW2 is any indicator).
Not if the nukes used wipe out humanity
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
MMM doesn't really care about feasibility in his plans.
Yeah, that went out the window at some point about a hundred or two hundred replies ago.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road. Not to mention since the minimum age is only 14-15 in my plans, one has tons of time to study for the written test and driving exam.
Less drivers = less people going places = less people conducting business = massive economic recession
It's not purely about getting to the destination, it's also about what you do there.
Well given that one of MMM's goals could start WW3, I don't think that he cares about recession.
Which, ironically, a WW3 probably would cause an economic boom at some point (if WW2 is any indicator).
Not if the nukes used wipe out humanity
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Quote from: interstatefan990 on February 21, 2023, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:35:45 PM
Speaking of Drivers Licensing Requirements, I have revised my plans on what they should be:
1. 2 hour long 100 question written exam on road signs, car controls, driving procedures, basic automotive engineering/design, vehicle inspection, road rules, and emergency procedures.
2. 1 hour long road test on basic maneuvers, parallel parking, U-Turns, 2 way streets, signaling, vehicle inspection, distance judging, lane changing, and merging, with a minimum of 1/2 hour of highway driving, and a minimum of 15 minutes of urban driving.
3. No frequency limit on re-taking either exam, with a fixed fee of $5 per test.
4. Both exams must be offered between the hours of 1 pm and 5 pm on weekdays.
5.Tests taken on the weekend must require a higher passing score on both the theory and road tests. One must score at least 75% to pass the written test and 80% to pass the road test on a weekday. To be eligible for a weekend road test, one must score at least 80% on the written test, and minimum passing score rises to 90% for weekend road tests, due to reduced traffic.
6. Minimum ages set at: 14 to receive learner permit, which one must pass the 100 question, 5 choices per answer, MC written test, 15 to take the road test.
7. Free car insurance with comprehensive collision included for those who receive both perfect scores on the written and road tests, (but passed tests can not be retaken for this purposes).
Do you realize there are tens of thousands of license applicants at any given time? This would create a huge backlog and cause some to probably keep waiting more than a year for their license or permit, in addition to already long wait times at many DMVs around the country. The state only has so many resources and that level of complexity is above most DMV employees' pay grade anyway. I remember my road test was less than 15 minutes.
There are about 3 million births in US annually. Maybe not the best number, but close enough. With 250 working days a year, that is 14 000 applications per day assuming everyone gets a license. Assuming one tester can do 7 one hour tests a day, that is only 2000 testers US wide, or 1 tester per 150'000 people. With 800 000 police officers in US, this basically means converting 1 out of 400 officers to a driving test job. Considering time police spends on managing accidents, this may be a net positive if quality of testing is improved and leads to fewer accidents.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2023, 04:40:37 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
My thoughts on public transit are that except for buses, it is stupid. Subway fares should be hiked significantly and that money used to replace tolls on highways. Trackways and subway tunnels should be turned into 2 lane divided highways.
Public transit money and highway money are two different things.
Well technically it's all taxpayer money at the end of the day, although transit does get money from fares as well (and highways from toll roads).
Gas taxes and tolls, and public transit fares, are user fees, not taxpayer money. They have a choice whether to travel at all and what way to travel.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
Sorry, there have been alot of new posts so it's hard to keep up. The craft would be designed like a wave-runner, with a foward shield to help stop the water from splashing into your car. Since when are there waves that large in lake MI anyway?
Couple of times each winter.
But 10-12 foot waves happen regularly. A splash shield won't help when the wave is twice the height of your car.
Maybe your laser commodes can be adapted to take care of puke from being seasick?
I think driving should be prioritized over mass transit because sitting on a train is just commuting, but driving a car isn't just commuting, it's an art and a science. People don't realize that when they are driving twice a day to whatever their career is, the driving itself is a 2nd career.
Quote from: kphoger on February 21, 2023, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Each seat in the car, not just the driver, would have a circular opening that you can push open when you have to go.
Why do they have to be circular? Couldn't they be octagonal?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road.
I assume you must be in favor of expanding public transit, then. I mean, those people still need to get from A to B.
No, they would just need to work harder to get a driver's license.
Quote from: GaryV on February 21, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
Sorry, there have been alot of new posts so it's hard to keep up. The craft would be designed like a wave-runner, with a foward shield to help stop the water from splashing into your car. Since when are there waves that large in lake MI anyway?
Couple of times each winter.
But 10-12 foot waves happen regularly. A splash shield won't help when the wave is twice the height of your car.
Maybe your laser commodes can be adapted to take care of puke from being seasick?
Hey now, don't make fun of the laser commodes. All the other ideas are dumb except that one. I mean, who doesn't want to sit on a toilet that has vaporizing lasers slightly below your derrière?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 06:47:58 PM
I think driving should be prioritized over mass transit because sitting on a train is just commuting, but driving a car isn't just commuting, it's an art and a science. People don't realize that when they are driving twice a day to whatever their career is, the driving itself is a 2nd career.
Maybe for you it is, but not most of you
But I'm not against buses. The point is Roads over Rails.
Understand the power of a Great Lake.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 06:47:58 PM
I think driving should be prioritized over mass transit because sitting on a train is just commuting, but driving a car isn't just commuting, it's an art and a science. People don't realize that when they are driving twice a day to whatever their career is, the driving itself is a 2nd career.
Look, I'm as big of a roadgeek as you'll ever find in the world, but this is just stupid.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 07:04:34 PM
But I'm not against buses. The point is Roads over Rails.
What's the problem with trains? I love me some trains.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 07:04:34 PM
But I'm not against buses. The point is Roads over Rails.
What's the problem with trains? I love me some trains.
They don't drive on the roads.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 07:04:34 PM
But I'm not against buses. The point is Roads over Rails.
What's the problem with trains? I love me some trains.
They don't drive on the roads.
And why are roads better than rails exactly?
Because roads go everywhere, train tracks dont.
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
Maybe a separate "under the bridge" board would be better?
Quote from: kalvado on February 21, 2023, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
Maybe a separate "under the bridge" board would be better?
"Internet compost"
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things.
Sure seems to me like it's mostly rambles about
fictional topics, most of them at least semi-road-related. Any other user that wants to do that does it in the Fictional board, and any user that wants to ramble about real-life topics can use the "Random Thoughts" thread.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things.
Sure seems to me like it's mostly rambles about fictional topics, most of them at least semi-road-related. Any other user that wants to do that does it in the Fictional board, and any user that wants to ramble about real-life topics can use the "Random Thoughts" thread.
If we let MMM ramble in the that thread the whole thing would be his stuff.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things.
Sure seems to me like it's mostly rambles about fictional topics, most of them at least semi-road-related. Any other user that wants to do that does it in the Fictional board, and any user that wants to ramble about real-life topics can use the "Random Thoughts" thread.
If we let MMM ramble in the that thread the whole thing would be his stuff.
He does have a fictional highway thread. This started out with more of his random thoughts on life in general and morphed into what is going on now.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:53:01 PM
For some reason this one constantly is at the top but not the other one, that one rarely appears.
Some reason! :rofl: Well, just so you're aware, that reason is because you keep posting here, so we keep responding to you here.
Next time you have a fictional thought, just click here to post it instead: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32734.700
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:53:01 PM
For some reason this one constantly is at the top but not the other one, that one rarely appears.
Some reason! :rofl: Well, just so you're aware, that reason is because you keep posting here, so we keep responding to you here.
Next time you have a fictional thought, just click here to post it instead: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32734.700
Or maybe he could just keep it to himself :sombrero:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 21, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Rather, the opposite–we don't want to encourage people to join the forum if they're not interested in the non-hidden boards.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:35:45 PM
Speaking of Drivers Licensing Requirements, I have revised my plans on what they should be:
1. 2 hour long 100 question written exam on road signs, car controls, driving procedures, basic automotive engineering/design, vehicle inspection, road rules, and emergency procedures.
2. 1 hour long road test on basic maneuvers, parallel parking, U-Turns, 2 way streets, signaling, vehicle inspection, distance judging, lane changing, and merging, with a minimum of 1/2 hour of highway driving, and a minimum of 15 minutes of urban driving.
3. No frequency limit on re-taking either exam, with a fixed fee of $5 per test.
4. Both exams must be offered between the hours of 1 pm and 5 pm on weekdays.
5.Tests taken on the weekend must require a higher passing score on both the theory and road tests. One must score at least 75% to pass the written test and 80% to pass the road test on a weekday. To be eligible for a weekend road test, one must score at least 80% on the written test, and minimum passing score rises to 90% for weekend road tests, due to reduced traffic.
6. Minimum ages set at: 14 to receive learner permit, which one must pass the 100 question, 5 choices per answer, MC written test, 15 to take the road test.
7. Free car insurance with comprehensive collision included for those who receive both perfect scores on the written and road tests, (but passed tests can not be retaken for this purposes).
3. Why should taking the test be that cheap? It would cost much more than that to administer the test. Why should non-drivers taxes be used to subsidize wanna-be drivers? They should have to go study and practice some more before just trying the test again.
4, 5. Forget about trying to game the time of the exam. Busy times near one DMV may be quiet in another. And the examiner can probably get a good idea of the driver's skill level without having to try them out in rush hour traffic.
6. Way too young. I'd rather the full license was more like 17, with a couple of years of practice with an over-25 license driver in the car. The only reason for getting a license younger would be getting to a job in a rural or suburban area where there's nothing within walking distance and public transportation is little to none.
7. Free? How can you justify taking money from the general taxpayer, including lots of people who can't afford to drive at all, just to make insurance for drivers cost less to buy than it costs to provide?
In the states that have 14-15 as the minimum permit holding age, that's more than old enough to handle controlling a vehicle on the roads out there. As for whether they should be allowed to drive in congested areas in other states, like NYC, I don't know. My enhanced road test requirement take care of any higher risks due to age. Essentially, anyone who isn't fit to drive, for any reason, wouldn't be able to pass the exams.
As for free exams/insurance, they would incentivize, much better driving from extra practice and studying to get those perfect scores. Remember, once passed, you wouldnt be allowed to retake the exams for the purpose of getting a perfect score. This would result in having better drivers on the road, and therefore less accidents, less insurance payouts..etc and less of your tax money being spent.
I'm not taking no stupid test. I knew how to drive before you were even born.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Rather, the opposite–we don't want to encourage people to join the forum if they're not interested in the non-hidden boards.
Well, to be honest I'm not that interested in the normal boards :-|
You have this 60 page thread in a normal board, MMM.
But fictional is? That's weird.
Personally, I think off-topic sections of forums should be abolished, as they are super redundant considering how many forums there are for individual topics, and they can end up ruining and pleasant specific-topic forum with controversial/emotional topics that have nothing to do with the main reason you joined the forum. There are probably massive forums for all topics, so anyone interested in off topic should just go there, having an any-topic section in specific internet forums is kinda self-defeating and redundant, just my view.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 01:07:15 PM
But fictional is? That's weird.
Personally, I think off-topic sections of forums should be abolished, as they are super redundant considering how many forums there are for individual topics, and they can end up ruining and pleasant specific-topic forum with controversial/emotional topics that have nothing to do with the main reason you joined the forum. There are probably massive forums for all topics, so anyone interested in off topic should just go there, having an any-topic section in specific internet forums is kinda self-defeating and redundant, just my view.
If you want it abolished why do you post so much in it?
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 03:20:38 PM
it hooks perfectly into your cars engine
Please elaborate.
Something like this
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Cycloped_horse-powered_locomotive.jpg)
I think this image perfectly represents many of MMM's ideas. Well done.
Quote from: kphoger on February 21, 2023, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Each seat in the car, not just the driver, would have a circular opening that you can push open when you have to go.
Why do they have to be circular? Couldn't they be octagonal?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
Even better if less people ultimately got a license, less traffic, and only the best drivers on the road.
I assume you must be in favor of expanding public transit, then. I mean, those people still need to get from A to B.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 06:48:55 PM
No, they would just need to work harder to get a driver's license.
You only answered one of my questions.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 08:19:10 PM
And why are roads better than rails exactly?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 08:25:29 PM
Because roads go everywhere, train tracks dont.
Roads don't go everywhere.
They don't go here, for example. (https://goo.gl/maps/TC4WrgEUKzujRdu3A)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2023, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 21, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Rather, the opposite–we don't want to encourage people to join the forum if they're not interested in the non-hidden boards.
Well, to be honest I'm not that interested in the normal boards :-|
Then you shouldn't have joined the forum.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 22, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2023, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 21, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Rather, the opposite–we don't want to encourage people to join the forum if they're not interested in the non-hidden boards.
Well, to be honest I'm not that interested in the normal boards :-|
Then you shouldn't have joined the forum.
Fictional Highways was one of the main reasons I joined the forum. I did join for the other boards as well, but Fictional Highways was one of my main motivations.
MMM, maybe you should join a road meet. I already mentioned the Western Suffolk (County) one, and you replied in a PM that you might be interested, but you weren't entirely sure.
I've been to exactly one road meet, and I've met with two other forum members in person outside that meet.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 22, 2023, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 22, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2023, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 21, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Rather, the opposite–we don't want to encourage people to join the forum if they're not interested in the non-hidden boards.
Well, to be honest I'm not that interested in the normal boards :-|
Then you shouldn't have joined the forum.
Fictional Highways was one of the main reasons I joined the forum. I did join for the other boards as well, but Fictional Highways was one of my main motivations.
Then you shouldn't have joined the forum.
I wouldn't mind going to a road meet that sounds kind of fun. I wouldn't mind meeting any of you but I'd probably do a Michigan meet somewhere if there was one. Indiana or Ohio would be a maybe.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 22, 2023, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 22, 2023, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 22, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2023, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 21, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 21, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2023, 09:17:25 PM
Respectfully, I would suggest that this thread should be in the Fictional board at this point. It's contributing to the "spamming" of the Off-Topic board, having gone well beyond the bounds of a traditional Off-Topic thread and into fictional territory on multiple levels.
Certainly, any thread that you could reasonably compare it to would be found in the fictional board. That would also hide it from non-members, which might be a good thing for the forum if there's any lurkers or potential new users who might be turned off by its constant presence in the "recent posts" section.
This thread should probably be put down like a sick dog at this point. This thread fits better in off topic, as it's just MMMs random rambles about random things. Maybe off topic should be hidden from guests as well, as it's not road related. Never got why it wasn't when Travel, Mass Transit, and Fictional Highways are.
Why would certain boards be hidden from non-members?
I believe to entice lurkers to create accounts.
Rather, the opposite–we don't want to encourage people to join the forum if they're not interested in the non-hidden boards.
Well, to be honest I'm not that interested in the normal boards :-|
Then you shouldn't have joined the forum.
Fictional Highways was one of the main reasons I joined the forum. I did join for the other boards as well, but Fictional Highways was one of my main motivations.
Then you shouldn't have joined the forum.
What do you think will happen? I had been lurking on the forum for a few years beforehand, and I kept on seeing mentions of this fictional highways board that you needed an account to even view. If I could have viewed the board as a guest, I might not have joined that early- I probably would have joined eventually, but not in 2017. You don't seriously expect there to be hidden boards that guests don't know about that don't entice people to join. Especially since Fictional Highways is road related, not like Mass Transit.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 22, 2023, 05:58:52 PM
I wouldn't mind going to a road meet that sounds kind of fun. I wouldn't mind meeting any of you but I'd probably do a Michigan meet somewhere if there was one. Indiana or Ohio would be a maybe.
As soon as I get a license I would probably try to make it to a roadmeet in my local area when there is one.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 22, 2023, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 22, 2023, 05:58:52 PM
I wouldn't mind going to a road meet that sounds kind of fun. I wouldn't mind meeting any of you but I'd probably do a Michigan meet somewhere if there was one. Indiana or Ohio would be a maybe.
As soon as I get a license I would probably try to make it to a roadmeet in my local area when there is one.
I would do one within 250 miles or so of my house. I'd go to like Dayton or Chicago both of which are about the same distance. I'd probably do Cincinnati too but would definitely do Detroit.
When was the Fictional Highways board launched?
I joined in 2011, and I was primarily interested in signage at that time. I've never been much into fictional plans. So, if the Fictional Highways board existed back then, it's certainly not what drew me in.
The existence of an invisible Fictional Highways board only entices people to join if (a) they're serious lurkers who already spend a lot of time reading forum posts, (b) they're savvy enough to realize that certain linked-to threads are off-limits to non-members, and (c) they care enough about the topic to do something about it and join. The two groups of people who fit all three categories appear to be (1) bona fide roadgeeks whose participation in the forum is value added, and (2) obnoxious misfits with a spectrum disorder whose participation in the forum is distracting and irritating. That Venn diagram does have a substantial overlapping population, such that there are plenty of value-adding members on the spectrum here, but it's the non-overlapping population that tanks the forum every so often.
However, if Fictional Highways were made visible from the get-go, then all sorts of clowns would join the forum for no other reason than to hang out in Fictional La La Land.
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 09:36:38 AM
When was the Fictional Highways board launched?
No later than May 3, 2009 (forum launched on January 15, 2009). https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=876.0
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 09:36:38 AM
When was the Fictional Highways board launched?
I joined in 2011, and I was primarily interested in signage at that time. I've never been much into fictional plans. So, if the Fictional Highways board existed back then, it's certainly not what drew me in.
The existence of an invisible Fictional Highways board only entices people to join if (a) they're serious lurkers who already spend a lot of time reading forum posts, (b) they're savvy enough to realize that certain linked-to threads are off-limits to non-members, and (c) they care enough about the topic to do something about it and join. The two groups of people who fit all three categories appear to be (1) bona fide roadgeeks whose participation in the forum is value added, and (2) obnoxious misfits with a spectrum disorder whose participation in the forum is distracting and irritating. That Venn diagram does have a substantial overlapping population, such that there are plenty of value-adding members on the spectrum here, but it's the non-overlapping population that tanks the forum every so often.
However, if Fictional Highways were made visible from the get-go, then all sorts of clowns would join the forum for no other reason than to hang out in Fictional La La Land.
Yeah I was a serious lurker before joining the forum. I probably started lurking in like 2015. I read tons of posts and pretty much knew about all of the hidden boards before joining, especially fictional highways (by far the most mentioned one).
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 09:36:38 AM
The existence of an invisible Fictional Highways board only entices people to join if (a) they're serious lurkers...
I totally read that as "serial killers". What's wrong with me?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 09:36:38 AM
The existence of an invisible Fictional Highways board only entices people to join if (a) they're serious lurkers...
I totally read that as "serial killers". What's wrong with me?
Guilty conscience? :sombrero:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:48:38 AM
Yeah I was a serious lurker before joining the forum. I probably started lurking in like 2015. I read tons of posts and pretty much knew about all of the hidden boards before joining, especially fictional highways (by far the most mentioned one).
I also lurked for a while, and the hidden boards were my motivation to register. Ironically I haven't used fictional highways much, but the photo games got me hooked on taking road sign photos on trips. :)
Quote from: 7/8 on February 23, 2023, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 09:36:38 AM
The existence of an invisible Fictional Highways board only entices people to join if (a) they're serious lurkers...
I totally read that as "serial killers". What's wrong with me?
Guilty conscience? :sombrero:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:48:38 AM
Yeah I was a serious lurker before joining the forum. I probably started lurking in like 2015. I read tons of posts and pretty much knew about all of the hidden boards before joining, especially fictional highways (by far the most mentioned one).
I also lurked for a while, and the hidden boards were my motivation to register. Ironically I haven't used fictional highways much, but the photo games got me hooked on taking road sign photos on trips. :)
I don't really post much of my fictional road plans anymore, but looking at others is still fun (and infuriating at times)
Posting in fictional can be a real mixed bag, depending on what one submits. There are too many people who've been bombarded with Fritz-Owl level stuff that they lash out at anything that remotely reminds them of that. People ready to harrumph literally any signing changes are drag. Then there are the people who look at your map and don't read anything in the post, they go right to reply about something you covered in the post. That gets frustrating.
Say you post a map of, "Hey this is where I would've built the freeways in City X in like 1960". Guaranteed, you'll get someone who's like, "You're never gonna build any of those freeways 'cuz of all the demo-crats!" And it's like, did you even read what was written? Or did were you just looking for an excuse to get triggered?
Really, the poo-poo army is a drag over in fictional. The section's description literally says:
"Let slip the horde of bulldozers! Or just renumber everything under the sun, that's cool too."
And yet, some people can't take others having fun with maps. Frankly, those types of people should just stay away from that section if all they are going to do is shit all over everyone's ideas. Like in the sports section, I don't care much for soccer, so I leave the soccer threads alone. I don't go in there shitting on other people's interest in the sport.
Look, I've been guilty of being in the poo-poo army at times myself, but not to nearly the extent I've seen. Someone was recently ranting about people extending I-40 to Bakersfield and it's like calm down, dude. It's fictional! Get over it.
The preferred alternative, however, seems to be that we should all just say "Great job!" about every single fictional idea.
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
The preferred alternative, however, seems to be that we should all just say "Great job!" about every single fictional idea.
Depends on what the goal is. If it is just having fun drawing random lines on the map, it's one thing.
Trying to understand things by trying something new and getting feedback is another.
Discussing possibility of a new long island crossing isn't fully fictional, it is being brought up more or less seriously once in a while. Drawing 5 crossings like MMM did?
Great job, can you make it 10?
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
Drawing 5 crossings like MMM did? Great job, can you make it 10?
Yes.
Quote from: kphoger on December 01, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: MultiDozenMiler on December 01, 2022, 06:47:14 PM
I changed my mind about the long island sound, it needs more crossings.
↓ I improved on your plan ↓
(https://i.imgur.com/NJzVuD8.png)
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
The preferred alternative, however, seems to be that we should all just say "Great job!" about every single fictional idea.
Depends on what the goal is. If it is just having fun drawing random lines on the map, it's one thing.
Trying to understand things by trying something new and getting feedback is another.
Discussing possibility of a new long island crossing isn't fully fictional, it is being brought up more or less seriously once in a while. Drawing 5 crossings like MMM did? Great job, can you make it 10?
Back to the nuclear powered plane/helicopters with grappling hooks picking cars up and dropping them on the other side of the Long Island Sound, or boats designed to use the power of the vehicle to "drive" across the sound while your car is outfitted with a poop vaporizing laser system.
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
Drawing 5 crossings like MMM did? Great job, can you make it 10?
Yes.
Quote from: kphoger on December 01, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: MultiDozenMiler on December 01, 2022, 06:47:14 PM
I changed my mind about the long island sound, it needs more crossings.
↓ I improved on your plan ↓
(https://i.imgur.com/NJzVuD8.png)
Not sure if the mid water roundabout is my favorite part or the fact you extended I-80 through Long Island then back to the mainland to make it longer and rightfully make I-80 the longest interstate, dethroning that poser and bootlegger I-90.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
Back to the nuclear powered plane/helicopters with grappling hooks picking cars up and dropping them on the other side of the Long Island Sound, or boats designed to use the power of the vehicle to "drive" across the sound while your car is outfitted with a poop vaporizing laser system.
Because people who can't safely drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike can be trusted to safely drive across open water.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
Not sure if the mid water roundabout is my favorite part or the fact you extended I-80 through Long Island then back to the mainland to make it longer and rightfully make I-80 the longest interstate, dethroning that poser and bootlegger I-90.
The I-80 part was in MultiDozenMiler's original map.
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
Back to the nuclear powered plane/helicopters with grappling hooks picking cars up and dropping them on the other side of the Long Island Sound, or boats designed to use the power of the vehicle to "drive" across the sound while your car is outfitted with a poop vaporizing laser system.
Because people who can't safely drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike can be trusted to safely drive across open water.
What could possibly go wrong?
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
Back to the nuclear powered plane/helicopters with grappling hooks picking cars up and dropping them on the other side of the Long Island Sound, or boats designed to use the power of the vehicle to "drive" across the sound while your car is outfitted with a poop vaporizing laser system.
Because people who can't safely drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike can be trusted to safely drive across open water.
There would be stationary water buoys marking the straight-line path across the water, with interstate shields on it. The Long Island sound crossings will all be bridges or bridge-tunnel combinations. My Road-Water-Modules will only be used along the Lake Michigan crossing of Interstate 90.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
Back to the nuclear powered plane/helicopters with grappling hooks picking cars up and dropping them on the other side of the Long Island Sound, or boats designed to use the power of the vehicle to "drive" across the sound while your car is outfitted with a poop vaporizing laser system.
Because people who can't safely drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike can be trusted to safely drive across open water.
There would be stationary water buoys marking the straight-line path across the water, with interstate shields on it. The Long Island sound crossings will all be bridges or bridge-tunnel combinations. My Road-Water-Modules will only be used along the Lake Michigan crossing of Interstate 90.
I'll stop making fun of you for your water driving shit if you just admit that NYC is on the east coast.
Well now you're off advocating for giving New York City to New Jersey so I'm not so sure anymore...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 23, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
Back to the nuclear powered plane/helicopters with grappling hooks picking cars up and dropping them on the other side of the Long Island Sound, or boats designed to use the power of the vehicle to "drive" across the sound while your car is outfitted with a poop vaporizing laser system.
Because people who can't safely drive the Pennsylvania Turnpike can be trusted to safely drive across open water.
There would be stationary water buoys marking the straight-line path across the water, with interstate shields on it. The Long Island sound crossings will all be bridges or bridge-tunnel combinations. My Road-Water-Modules will only be used along the Lake Michigan crossing of Interstate 90.
I said nothing about the curviness of the path across the water.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats. Since they are generally slower, they would have to yield to the cars at any intersection with I-90, but then that wouldn't make I-90 limited access, hmm this is hard.
Just ban all boats
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats.
Yes. The only issue with your boat plan is boats.
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats.
Yes. The only issue with your boat plan is boats.
just use cars with snorkels. What can go wrong with those?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:45:01 PM
Maybe all normal boats can be fitted with a submarine mode, where they can temporarily dip down under the water to get around the interstate Route along the surface. Normal boats could be designed like convertibles, in which a glass shield rises up from the sides and completely encloses the boat.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1gveif.jpg)
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:45:01 PM
Maybe all normal boats can be fitted with a submarine mode, where they can temporarily dip down under the water to get around the interstate Route along the surface. Normal boats could be designed like convertibles, in which a glass shield rises up from the sides and completely encloses the boat.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1gveif.jpg)
... a little more....
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats. Since they are generally slower, they would have to yield to the cars at any intersection with I-90, but then that wouldn't make I-90 limited access, hmm this is hard.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to stop a 1000-foot freighter loaded with 60000 tons of iron ore?
Quote from: GaryV on February 23, 2023, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats. Since they are generally slower, they would have to yield to the cars at any intersection with I-90, but then that wouldn't make I-90 limited access, hmm this is hard.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to stop a 1000-foot freighter loaded with 60000 tons of iron ore?
Ballpark? Engines switched to reverse at full power? At least 20 minutes.
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
1 Minecraft block of iron ore is 1 m³ of density similar to stone (roughly 3), and I'm roughly saying ton = tonne. So that's 3 tons of iron ore in a single block.
A chest holds 27×64 items = 1728 blocks. 60000/3=20000 blocks are required, so that's 11.57 chests. Shouldn't be too hard. In fact, a single chest filled with 12 shulker boxes will do it; chests can hold 27 shulker boxes, so it's not even at capacity.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
We need "physics according to MMM"
The theory of MMM's existence is a scam.
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate. According to relativity, Mass increases slightly as speed increases, since energy and matter are equivalent. So the more you accelerate, the higher your mass, which in turns makes it harder to accelerate, essentially its a figure-8 feedback loop.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
We need "physics according to MMM"
Force in a general relativity... Well, honestly I never went that deep, but that should be way beyond F=ma
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats. Since they are generally slower, they would have to yield to the cars at any intersection with I-90, but then that wouldn't make I-90 limited access, hmm this is hard.
What's wrong with applying the nautical rules of the road we already have?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate. According to relativity, Mass increases slightly as speed increases, since energy and matter are equivalent. So the more you accelerate, the higher your mass, which in turns makes it harder to accelerate, essentially its a figure-8 feedback loop.
Don't forget to factor in time dilation.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate. According to relativity, Mass increases slightly as speed increases, since energy and matter are equivalent. So the more you accelerate, the higher your mass, which in turns makes it harder to accelerate, essentially its a figure-8 feedback loop.
Newtonian physics is perfectly appropriate for the speeds at which motor vehicles and boats travel.
My high school physics teacher punished anyone who asked about that by giving them an extra assignment: compute the problem twice, once using Newtonian physics, and once using relativistic physics, and report the difference between the results.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate.
fucking called it
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:26:02 PM
Time dilation is a scam. It was just invented by overenthusiastic physics people who spent so much of their life solving equations and studying science that they wanted there to be some kind of thrill regarding time. Or they watched too many science fiction movies so they desperately wanted time travel stuff to be real.
Prove it and you'll be up for a Nobel Prize.
I don't have physical proof, as I don't have personal access to atomic clocks (which are also a scam) but I do have a couple arguments against it.
1. According to special relativity, all constant velocity is relative, therefore it is impossible to determine which object is moving. If object x is moving away from object Y at .5C for example, it is impossible to determine if Object x is moving at .5c, if object Y is moving the other direction at .5c, or if both object x and y are moving away from each other, at the same time at .1c and .4c or .25c and .25c, or .35c and .15c, or any of the infinite number of combinations in between. Two clocks cant simultaneously be slower of faster than each other at the same time. now, they claim this is resolved by acceleration, which is absolute, but if this was the case, why is the amount of time spent at the peak velocity used to determine the amount of time dilation, since only acceleration determines the difference. For example, a little calculation shows that if one were to blast off in a spacecraft at a sustained 2G acceleration for 40 years, 906 million years would have passed on the earth. But that calculation uses the 40 years (or 37 whatever) once top speed is achieved. If acceleration is what determines which object is time dilated, then the constant velocity segment of the trip is irrelevant. So, which is it?
There are similar arguments and even better ones in this article which I may have posted before:
http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm
and:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/53009/is-time-dilation-an-illusion#:~:text=Time%20Dilation%20is%20real%20insofar,frames%20measured%20against%20real%20time.
And I have a 2nd second argument:
2. If both gravity and speed both contribute to time dilation, then theoretically it should be possible to sum the effects of both of these to an amount that would be equivalent to greater than the speed of light. If for example, I achieve .999999c in a spacecraft, but then also fly near a blackhole that exerts a gravitational pull that would be equivalent to, say, a .1c speed, the sum of these effects are greater than the speed of light, so there's no logical prediction for how the time dilation would take effect?
From the 2nd site, an important quote: "Time Dilation is real insofar as it tells us the rate at which things happen in one reference frame relative to another. However, it is based on clock time, which is virtual.
Real time doesn't, and never will vary. Things can still happen at different rates in different reference frames measured against real time. "
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.
MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.
RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.
MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.
RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.
MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.
RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler
What do you expect from a psychology major?
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
We need "physics according to MMM"
Force in a general relativity... Well, honestly I never went that deep, but that should be way beyond F=ma
F = dp/dt, where p is momentum. In classical mechanics, p=mv, where m is mass and v is velocity. If you assume mass is constant, then F=d(mv)/dt=m dv/dt=ma. If the mass isn't constant, then you get F=ma+v*dm/dt.
In the case of special relativity, p=γ m0 v, where m0 is the rest mass, and γ=1/sqrt(1-v/c).
I forget where I was going with this, but MMM is a moron.
Quote from: GaryV on February 23, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.
MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.
RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler
What do you expect from a psychology major?
Scientific literacy? Respect for the truth?
Quote from: kkt on February 23, 2023, 06:56:32 PM
Scientific literacy? Respect for the truth?
The ability to say, "I'm not an expert, therefore I defer in large part to those who are"?
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.
MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.
RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
I tried taking astronomy last semester and it went so poorly that I had to withdraw. I'm not an equations/physics guy. But I have to take a physical science elective eventually, so we'll see.
Refute my arguments then.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 07:44:33 PM
Refute my arguments then.
The moon is flat, Joe Biden is an alien, the internet is fake, dinosaurs never existed, the Earth is only 5 years old
Refute my arguments
Quote from: GaryV on February 23, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.
MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.
RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler
What do you expect from a psychology major?
Ability to read and understand texts written for high school. Do you think I am setting the bar too high?
MMM is really making me miss Poiponen13. I used to catergorize them together, but MMM is so much worse now.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 07:57:38 PM
MMM is really making me miss Poiponen13. I used to catergorize them together, but MMM is so much worse now.
MMM is fun. He would be making big bucks if he would do same thing on a stage as a comic. Relax and enjoy free show.
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
What is his motivation for this exactly? He's 23, so it's not like he's a middle schooler trolling. He isn't gaining anything from this. Does he just like to annoy us?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 07:44:33 PM
Refute my arguments then.
There's finite time in my life and one internet troll more or less doesn't make that much difference. There's abundant carefully prepared reasoning about physics, the spherical earth, etc., if you cared to look at them. Or even take a class. You seem to have abundant free time since you aren't in school and don't have a job.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Wonder if you will make it to April. Or March.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
Responding to earlier psots: how MMM thinks boats work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iBmG5Y_BU
Quote from: vdeane on February 23, 2023, 09:30:36 PM
Responding to earlier psots: how MMM thinks boats work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iBmG5Y_BU
I did suggest he lay off the Bond flicks before posting, and here you bring them to him!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:31:05 PM
I am serious about my interstate highway plans though. Even if I am not 100% as serious with every random engineering plan (maybe I'd rate them as 80% serious and 20% for laughs), I am 110% serious about interstate highway plans. The West, MidWest, South, and Northwest need many more interstates. Fritz is right about that. Far too many gaps and unused numbers.
And 110% serious about your math, too?
Just because a number is unused doesn't mean there needs to be an interstate there now. It's a good idea to keep some numbers available in case an area grows unexpectedly and a new freeway needs to be built.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:31:05 PM
I am serious about my interstate highway plans though. Even if I am not 100% as serious with every random engineering plan (maybe I'd rate them as 80% serious and 20% for laughs), I am 110% serious about interstate highway plans. The West, MidWest, South, and Northwest need many more interstates. Fritz is right about that. Far too many gaps and unused numbers.
At least my outlandish plans are jokes...
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:31:05 PM
I am serious about my interstate highway plans though. Even if I am not 100% as serious with every random engineering plan (maybe I'd rate them as 80% serious and 20% for laughs), I am 110% serious about interstate highway plans. The West, MidWest, South, and Northwest need many more interstates. Fritz is right about that. Far too many gaps and unused numbers.
At least my outlandish plans are jokes...
I'm usually only 1.37% serious most of the time. No need to use my full seriousness just yet.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Wonder if you will make it to April. Or March.
For what?
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Wonder if you will make it to April. Or March.
For what?
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
Unless that guy got the girl in the end? Wouldn't you be the only one with the answer to that question?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 23, 2023, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Wonder if you will make it to April. Or March.
For what?
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
Unless that guy got the girl in the end? Wouldn't you be the only one with the answer to that question?
The guy currently does not have a girl
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 23, 2023, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Wonder if you will make it to April. Or March.
For what?
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
Unless that guy got the girl in the end? Wouldn't you be the only one with the answer to that question?
The guy currently does not have a girl
Not any girl and "the" girl? Did he at least end up trying?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 23, 2023, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 23, 2023, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 08:02:11 PM
MMM is good at making us all feel better about our own insecurities about our intelligence. I'm not great at science but MMM makes me look like Albert Einstein.
I bet MMM is way smarter than he pretends to be. He's playing the game, and it takes to s of skill and effort to look the way he does without pushing things too far
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Wonder if you will make it to April. Or March.
For what?
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
Unless that guy got the girl in the end? Wouldn't you be the only one with the answer to that question?
The guy currently does not have a girl
Not any girl and "the" girl? Did he at least end up trying?
I dunno. If he did try, it didn't work.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
I can't get these lines to rhyme no matter how hard I try. The number of syllables isn't too far off, though.
Quote from: 1 on February 23, 2023, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy
I can't get these lines to rhyme no matter how hard I try. The number of syllables isn't too far off, though.
ECU and through rhyme. The last line isn't part of the poem
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy Burma-Shave
FTFY
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
There was a guy from Greenville
Home of ECU
Logged on one day
And couldn't get through
Don't turn into that guy Burma-Shave
FTFY
(https://live.staticflickr.com/618/32850472366_73d34776ea_3k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S3TfWA)IMG_3118 (https://flic.kr/p/S3TfWA) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
I don't think that I spend a particular large amount of time worrying about either.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
First world population is not growing any more. US is below replenishment threshold, and natural population shrink is expected once baby boomers will start to expire. Immigration helps to keep numbers in black, though.
Africa, on the other hand... I believe Bill Gates tried to send some condoms over there.
Overpopulation is a problem that tends to solve itself. Watch China's population crater over the next 3 decades as an example.
A hundred years ago, it would be common to point out the Irish as prolific breeders, but today, that isn't the case.
Population growth tends to follow a curvilinear trend where it shoots up rapidly with industrialization, then plateaus before starting to tick down. We have observed this in literally every country that's been around long enough to document its population. Japan, the UK, Russia, China, the US; they all experience this demographic phenomenon. Though the picture is clouded in the USA by immigration, the native-born population for sure follows the same trajectory that other countries experienced.
I think the demographic models suggest human population will peak around 10 billion sometime this century and start coming down, absent any "dramatic interventions." That's if I'm remembering correctly.
There's basically nothing anyone can do to alter this trend. The largest attempt to do so in China during their population surge last century resulted in the most horrifying of consequences with forced abortions, force sterilizations, and newborns literally abandoned in the street. People are going to do what they're going to do and any attempt to prevent them from doing that is going to be awful.
Yes this world is going to get a hell of a lot suckier later this century as we attempt to feed, house, employ and heal 10 billion humans. We're going to wipe out thousands of more species this century and create long-term damage to the ecosystems of this planet. But the alternative to that is literally genocide. So what's the fix? Ride it out and try and rebuild once the population starts falling, I guess. I don't think we can avoid the worst consequences of our collective largess. We won't learn otherwise.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Literally imagine if 2 people just started appearing every second on your street, and this continued around the clock 24/7/365. That's insane when you think of it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
...People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
You know what's funny about this? People worried about the effects of overpopulation 25 years ago. In that timespan, you and many others were born, and now your generation is worried about the same thing. If the previously generation could actually do something about it, many people in your generation would not exist today.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 12:03:57 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Literally imagine if 2 people just started appearing every second on your street, and this continued around the clock 24/7/365. That's insane when you think of it.
(https://calisphere.org/clip/500x500/f4867095fece4a72417fbb0d197cb03c)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 11:34:26 AM
I don't think that I spend a particular large amount of time worrying about either.
Same here.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 24, 2023, 12:01:11 PM
Overpopulation is a problem that tends to solve itself. Watch China's population crater over the next 3 decades as an example.
This. Societies that are less industrialized tend to have the larger population growth, whereas societies that are more industrialized tend to have the smaller population growth. There is a lag to those two trend lines, and there are bound to be exceptions, but that's the general truth.
(https://i.imgur.com/qMaSqHM.png)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
You realize that in many developed nations, the population is going down? Some of them are really worried about it.
Quote from: GaryV on February 24, 2023, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
You realize that in many developed nations, the population is going down? Some of them are really worried about it.
Immigration is the only reason why the population in America is not going down.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: GaryV on February 24, 2023, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
You realize that in many developed nations, the population is going down? Some of them are really worried about it.
The population isn't going down anywhere. Maybe the rate of increase is, but it is always a net gain. The top 20 countries with the live feeds of population have never dropped in number, maybe they take an extra few seconds than normal to click up by 1, but they've never decreased. And if the immigration theory for the US is true, than that would also explain decreases in where they were coming from. Goes both ways.
It is involved. Right now, people born in 1930s-1940s are expiring, mortality is growing. It is projected to grow till 2050 or so,
predicted dynamics is interesting:
(https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/styles/800/public/2022-07/57975-home-Demographic-Outlook.png)
And you may keep in mind that certain other places which export people to US are still growing. For one, Philippines average 2.8 births per woman - compared to 1.8 in US
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 02:35:45 PM
The population isn't going down anywhere. Maybe the rate of increase is, but it is always a net gain. The top 20 countries with the live feeds of population have never dropped in number, maybe they take an extra few seconds than normal to click up by 1, but they've never decreased. And if the immigration theory for the US is true, than that would also explain decreases in where they were coming from. Goes both ways.
No. You are wrong.
Example: Hungary's total population has declined every single year since 1981, yet Hungary has a positive net migration rate.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
Oh, no, it's not eugenics in this case. All of the light tan countries in this map are
losing population if you look strictly at birth rates and ignore migration.
(https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exports/children-born-per-woman.svg)
The only place where overpopulation is a potential problem is sub-Saharan Africa. So if you're actually worried about overpopulation, you're either misinformed or racist, not a eugenicist.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 24, 2023, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
I'm afraid to say this in that baby thread, because certain users will instantly cry "Eugenics!" but I have to say I am baffled by the lack of logic. People worry about the effects of climate change 50 to 100 years from now, but not the negative effects of overpopulation in 25 years.
Oh, no, it's not eugenics in this case. All of the light tan countries in this map are losing population if you look strictly at birth rates and ignore migration.
(https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exports/children-born-per-woman.svg)
The only place where overpopulation is a potential problem is sub-Saharan Africa. So if you're actually worried about overpopulation, you're either misinformed or racist, not a eugenicist.
saying "loosing" ignores the rise in life expectancy. As long as it continues growing, fertility rate <2 may still result in population growth.
</ nitpicking>
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:04:34 PM
Isn't the worldwide average between 1 and 2 anyway?
2.3 per Mighty Google
I wonder what the US' ideal population change rate would be. I suspect it's a similar situation to inflation, we don't want it to be too high but we don't want it to be stagnant or decreasing.
Quote from: thspfc on February 24, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
I wonder what the US' ideal population change rate would be. I suspect it's a similar situation to inflation, we don't want it to be too high but we don't want it to be stagnant or decreasing.
It is significantly limited by the need to take care and support of eldery. I don't think this is about plain numbers per se.
Even if there are retirement savings in the bank, total society output has to be sufficient to feed current workers, grow kids, and support retired. As of right now, that is not the case, at it will only be worse with baby boomers.
Future is either significant increase of productivity, drop of living standards, or bankruptcy. Or finding foreign sponsors as it worked so far.
Quote from: kalvado on February 24, 2023, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 24, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
I wonder what the US' ideal population change rate would be. I suspect it's a similar situation to inflation, we don't want it to be too high but we don't want it to be stagnant or decreasing.
It is significantly limited by the need to take care and support of eldery. I don't think this is about plain numbers per se.
Even if there are retirement savings in the bank, total society output has to be sufficient to feed current workers, grow kids, and support retired. As of right now, that is not the case, at it will only be worse with baby boomers.
Future is either significant increase of productivity, drop of living standards, or bankruptcy. Or finding foreign sponsors as it worked so far.
Or robots will take care of the old.
Quote from: kalvado on February 24, 2023, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 24, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
I wonder what the US' ideal population change rate would be. I suspect it's a similar situation to inflation, we don't want it to be too high but we don't want it to be stagnant or decreasing.
It is significantly limited by the need to take care and support of eldery. I don't think this is about plain numbers per se.
Even if there are retirement savings in the bank, total society output has to be sufficient to feed current workers, grow kids, and support retired. As of right now, that is not the case, at it will only be worse with baby boomers.
Future is either significant increase of productivity, drop of living standards, or bankruptcy. Or finding foreign sponsors as it worked so far.
Yes. The population tree is more important than raw numbers. How many young people? middle-aged people? elderly people? You need enough young workers to make the economy run, pay for social services, and take care of the old folks.
I've heard analyses that Russia, for example, is unsustainable as a society for this reason–that no society with a population tree that looks like Russia's has avoided collapse.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 24, 2023, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 24, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
I wonder what the US' ideal population change rate would be. I suspect it's a similar situation to inflation, we don't want it to be too high but we don't want it to be stagnant or decreasing.
It is significantly limited by the need to take care and support of eldery. I don't think this is about plain numbers per se.
Even if there are retirement savings in the bank, total society output has to be sufficient to feed current workers, grow kids, and support retired. As of right now, that is not the case, at it will only be worse with baby boomers.
Future is either significant increase of productivity, drop of living standards, or bankruptcy. Or finding foreign sponsors as it worked so far.
Or robots will take care of the old.
And that is exactly what "productivity increase" means. Less manhours to achieve same results
A lot of human history can be interpreted in terms of "how many people can one peasant feed". From earlier days of "entire family works, and can feed babies and pay a little to landlord" to today's mostly urban population.
Some argue that there is already too much productivity. Lavish 12+4 school and college is to keep people out of workforce. France reduced full time week to 35 hours as far as I remember.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 07:30:27 PM
Or a dual purpose solution, just upload the consciousness of old people into the robots, no need to deal with a frail body then.
Yes, enslave the elderly in a stock Cylon worker bodies.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 07:30:27 PM
Or a dual purpose solution, just upload the consciousness of old people into the robots, no need to deal with a frail body then.
Mind uploading is certainly an interesting concept. But what you are advocating for is kinda creepy.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 07:30:27 PM
Or a dual purpose solution, just upload the consciousness of old people into the robots, no need to deal with a frail body then.
Mind uploading is certainly an interesting concept. But what you are advocating for is kinda creepy.
Omni Consumer Products has been working out the kinks:
Do you want to instigate the Butlerian Jihad?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 07:43:49 PM
Well to be honest it didn't work out well in black mirror, but Verizon would seriously have to stop the throttling bullshit if my consciousness is going to be in the cloud.
You would only have to worry about throttling if there are enough good thought to go around. Throttling bullshit is actually beneficial for those with too much bull
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 08:08:16 PM
That's a good topic lol, who are on this forum would internet companies throttle if their consciousness was uploaded to the servers?
Your consciousness, for one.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 08:08:16 PM
That's a good topic lol, who are on this forum would internet companies throttle if their consciousness was uploaded to the servers?
Your consciousness, for one.
That assumes there is actually something to throttle....
Quote from: kalvado on February 24, 2023, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 24, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
I wonder what the US' ideal population change rate would be. I suspect it's a similar situation to inflation, we don't want it to be too high but we don't want it to be stagnant or decreasing.
It is significantly limited by the need to take care and support of eldery. I don't think this is about plain numbers per se.
Even if there are retirement savings in the bank, total society output has to be sufficient to feed current workers, grow kids, and support retired. As of right now, that is not the case, at it will only be worse with baby boomers.
Future is either significant increase of productivity, drop of living standards, or bankruptcy. Or finding foreign sponsors as it worked so far.
To be fair, if everyone on Earth lived as middle class Americans do, we'd need six Earths. So unless the third world remains in poverty, a significant drop in living standards would seem to be in our future regardless.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 07:30:27 PM
Or a dual purpose solution, just upload the consciousness of old people into the robots, no need to deal with a frail body then.
Mind uploading is certainly an interesting concept. But what you are advocating for is kinda creepy.
And cribbed from Star Trek.
I used to think it would be cool to have a robot body. I no longer trust the tech industry to not completely overmonetize such tech, however. I have enough things to worry about without adding the planned obsolescence of my right elbow onto the pile.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2023, 06:31:33 AM
I used to think it would be cool to have a robot body. I no longer trust the tech industry to not completely overmonetize such tech, however. I have enough things to worry about without adding the planned obsolescence of my right elbow onto the pile.
You may start worrying right now.
Planned obsolescence of all the joints by age of 90 is pretty unavoidable. Service life of lungs is about 130-140 years and is an ultimate limit to life duration.
Okay, do I need to spell out "intentionally fucking up the design to score some rich asswipe an extra yacht" for the point to come across?
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
Okay, do I need to spell out "intentionally fucking up the design to score some rich asswipe an extra yacht" for the point to come across?
You don't have to spell our "god", I know what you mean.
Quote from: kalvado on February 24, 2023, 04:01:23 PM
saying "loosing" ignores the rise in life expectancy. As long as it continues growing, fertility rate <2 may still result in population growth.
</ nitpicking>
How? At the end of the day, it takes two parents to make a baby and they have to make enough babies to replace themselves. That doesn't change if parents live longer, it just delays the net population loss that happens when they die.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2023, 06:31:33 AM
I used to think it would be cool to have a robot body. I no longer trust the tech industry to not completely overmonetize such tech, however. I have enough things to worry about without adding the planned obsolescence of my right elbow onto the pile.
I've never understood the robot body thing. What keeps me going is mostly the cycling I do. My emotional mind is my weak point. I'd love a robot brain and I'll keep my fleshy, slowly failing body.
Quote from: US 89 on February 25, 2023, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 24, 2023, 04:01:23 PM
saying "loosing" ignores the rise in life expectancy. As long as it continues growing, fertility rate <2 may still result in population growth.
</ nitpicking>
How? At the end of the day, it takes two parents to make a baby and they have to make enough babies to replace themselves. That doesn't change if parents live longer, it just delays the net population loss that happens when they die.
A crude example, but hopefully it explains things. No, I do not intend it to be real-life example.
Imagine a small town where every family has 2 kids, and the trend continues for many year.
1800: there is an average of 2 generations per family
1950: grandparents become more common, the average family is now 3 generations
2020: great-grandparents are more common, 4 generations per family is not unusual.
Population did double - purely due to people living longer.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 25, 2023, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2023, 06:31:33 AM
I used to think it would be cool to have a robot body. I no longer trust the tech industry to not completely overmonetize such tech, however. I have enough things to worry about without adding the planned obsolescence of my right elbow onto the pile.
I've never understood the robot body thing. What keeps me going is mostly the cycling I do. My emotional mind is my weak point. I'd love a robot brain and I'll keep my fleshy, slowly failing body.
I don't get it either. I'm a distance runner, I actually like to train and grow stronger from effort.
Quote from: kalvado on February 25, 2023, 11:11:07 AMA crude example, but hopefully it explains things. No, I do not intend it to be real-life example.
Imagine a small town where every family has 2 kids, and the trend continues for many year.
1800: there is an average of 2 generations per family
1950: grandparents become more common, the average family is now 3 generations
2020: great-grandparents are more common, 4 generations per family is not unusual.
Population did double - purely due to people living longer.
And just to add: a large part of the reason for the longer life expectancy is reduced infant mortality. My Scottish fourth great-grandfather died in 1862 aged 85, and when I went poking about to see how unusual that was, I discovered the life expectancy of a 60-year-old man has increased by only about five years between 1850 and now.
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 25, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 25, 2023, 11:11:07 AMA crude example, but hopefully it explains things. No, I do not intend it to be real-life example.
Imagine a small town where every family has 2 kids, and the trend continues for many year.
1800: there is an average of 2 generations per family
1950: grandparents become more common, the average family is now 3 generations
2020: great-grandparents are more common, 4 generations per family is not unusual.
Population did double - purely due to people living longer.
And just to add: a large part of the reason for the longer life expectancy is reduced infant mortality. My Scottish fourth great-grandfather died in 1862 aged 85, and when I went poking about to see how unusual that was, I discovered the life expectancy of a 60-year-old man has increased by only about five years between 1850 and now.
The way I heard about it, back then people who survived childhood had a pretty constant probability of dying the next year, which slightly increased with age. That is in contrast with today's pretty low adult mortality which skyrockets after 70. So lots of people died of conditions that would be readily treatable or preventable today.
We studied this in human geography class. Yes, prior to the modern era of good prenatal care, practical C-sections when needed, better infant formulas, antibiotics, and most of all childhood immunizations childhood deaths were very common. On a percentage of deaths each year, infancy was the most dangerous time of life. Deaths were higher all life long and bumped up starting age 50+, but it was still not that unusual to live to the 80s. There's even one person in my family tree who lived from 1785-1891.
https://albums.memento.com/down94231/p/63fa89c89d61951cb6242ca3
This is a funny pair of road signs next to each other.
What's weird is how not only the minimum speed limit on the parkway is higher than the minimum speed on the interstate right next to it (which is only 40) but how I can only use about 7% of my entire speedometer on it.
Minimum speed signs are normally posted near speed limit signs. When Oklahoma had them, they were stacked vertically (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.123798,-97.4494352,3a,34.4y,355.46h,87.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2b4GHl6k4MyTtKaWdQrwuw!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192). Kansas puts theirs on the same sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.431802,-95.71811,3a,20.5y,103.7h,91.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shcGFg4EJDkPVCFut99A4CA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
I was referring to the narrow range of legal speeds, not how they were posted. 45/55 is basically suggesting to drivers to keep their eyes more on their speedometer than on the road. There's a similar set of signs on Sunrise Highway near Quogue, but here's the kicker: The maximum speed limit drops to 45 in a construction zone, but the minimum speed is still 40!
The minimum speed limit is always subject to safe conditions. If you get a ticket for going too slowly where you don't think it was safe to go faster, tell it to the judge. I bet it'll be the most interesting case the traffic court judge has seen that day.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 25, 2023, 08:15:34 PM
https://albums.memento.com/down94231/p/63fa89c89d61951cb6242ca3
This is a funny pair of road signs next to each other.
What's weird is how not only the minimum speed limit on the parkway is higher than the minimum speed on the interstate right next to it (which is only 40) but how I can only use about 7% of my entire speedometer on it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2023, 08:31:43 PM
Minimum speed signs are normally posted near speed limit signs. When Oklahoma had them, they were stacked vertically (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.123798,-97.4494352,3a,34.4y,355.46h,87.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2b4GHl6k4MyTtKaWdQrwuw!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192). Kansas puts theirs on the same sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.431802,-95.71811,3a,20.5y,103.7h,91.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shcGFg4EJDkPVCFut99A4CA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Remember Scott - this is the person who thought that the posted number was both the minimum and maximum speed, and that you have to drive exactly that?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 22, 2023, 04:23:34 PM
I understand that, but isn't it true that if there's no minimum speed posted, you have to drive exactly the maximum speed? In other words, the speed limit functions as both the minimum and maximum speed limit unless a separate minimum speed is otherwise posted?
If not, they should be more clear and include the word "MAXIMUM" on the sign, or at least a less than or equal to sign above the number.
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2023, 04:27:33 PM
:evilgrin:
When I first saw this I thought it was a bug crawling across my phone screen.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 26, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2023, 12:13:14 AM
The minimum speed limit is always subject to safe conditions. If you get a ticket for going too slowly where you don't think it was safe to go faster, tell it to the judge. I bet it'll be the most interesting case the traffic court judge has seen that day.
There's no "traffic court" judges. Traffic violations are handled in criminal court just like any other case.
I'm sure holding criminal trails for traffic citations won't hold up to the criminal justice system in the slightest.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 26, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
What do you think traffic laws are? Civil offenses LOL
Do you think there are whole courthouses just build to handle traffic tickets LMAO
Just because they are infractions doesn't mean you can't receive the same penalties for misdemeanors. Here in NY, you can yet 15 days in jail for going 11 mph over the limit and 30 days for going 30+ mph over the limit. Sure that won't happen 99.999% of the time, but the point is a court is a court, and a judge is a judge, there are no "traffic positions" a prosecutor/judge can apply to.
You're the one demanding traffic citations be heard in actual criminal proceedings LOL/LMAO!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 26, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2023, 12:13:14 AM
The minimum speed limit is always subject to safe conditions. If you get a ticket for going too slowly where you don't think it was safe to go faster, tell it to the judge. I bet it'll be the most interesting case the traffic court judge has seen that day.
There's no "traffic court" judges. Traffic violations are handled in criminal court just like any other case.
What your describing may (or may not) be true in New York, but it is not universally true.
If traffic violations are civil offenses, how come you can get sentenced to jail time for them?
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2023, 12:16:28 PM
What your describing may (or may not) be true in New York, but it is not universally true.
If traffic violations are civil offenses, how come you can get sentenced to jail time for them?
You can get sued for speeding!
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 27, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2023, 12:16:28 PM
What your describing may (or may not) be true in New York, but it is not universally true.
If traffic violations are civil offenses, how come you can get sentenced to jail time for them?
You can get sued for speeding!
Sure you can, but when you do they're limited to money damages, not jail time.
Quote from: kkt on February 27, 2023, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 27, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2023, 12:16:28 PM
What your describing may (or may not) be true in New York, but it is not universally true.
If traffic violations are civil offenses, how come you can get sentenced to jail time for them?
You can get sued for speeding!
Sure you can, but when you do they're limited to money damages, not jail time.
License suspension and revocation may be on the table as well.
Quote from: kkt on February 27, 2023, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 27, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2023, 12:16:28 PM
What your describing may (or may not) be true in New York, but it is not universally true.
If traffic violations are civil offenses, how come you can get sentenced to jail time for them?
You can get sued for speeding!
Sure you can, but when you do they're limited to money damages, not jail time.
You speed, you get caught by the police, you get sued and have to pay the old man that runs the barber shop you sped by $3.8 million.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 27, 2023, 09:38:17 PM
If I trying to go exactly 75 mph, it harder to keep the needle exactly on a 5 mph smaller mark than to hit the cruise control once the digital number reads 75
Not really... I'm frequently able to maintain a 5 mph interval speed, 70, 75, 80 mph, etc. on the dot with just my foot on the gas petal... then this incredible thing called cruise control also exists that will hold the speed.
And if you want to decrease by +1 or -1, click the up and down button on your steering wheel...
It's not about how easy it is to maintain the speed, it's about knowing that you are maintaining the actual speed you want to maintain. And even with cruise control, it doesn't stay exactly on the speed, there's a 2-3 mph temporary variance when it hits a hill for example. It doesn't perfectly maintain the exact same speed continuously. It's dangerous to not know how fast you are going due to faulty car equipment or sloppy cruise control.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 27, 2023, 09:38:17 PM
If I trying to go exactly 75 mph, it harder to keep the needle exactly on a 5 mph smaller mark than to hit the cruise control once the digital number reads 75
Not really... I'm frequently able to maintain a 5 mph interval speed, 70, 75, 80 mph, etc. on the dot with just my foot on the gas petal... then this incredible thing called cruise control also exists that will hold the speed.
And if you want to decrease by +1 or -1, click the up and down button on your steering wheel...
It's not about how easy it is to maintain the speed, it's about knowing that you are maintaining the actual speed you want to maintain. And even with cruise control, it doesn't stay exactly on the speed, there's a 2-3 mph temporary variance when it hits a hill for example. It doesn't perfectly maintain the exact same speed continuously. It's dangerous to not know how fast you are going due to faulty car equipment or sloppy cruise control.
Why is it dangerous? you should always judge your safe speed from the car's behavior, not from formal numbers. Most cars are rigged to go a bit slower than speedometer to avoid ticketing issues. So where is the danger? Arriving 10 minutes past your planned time is NOT dangerous.
At some point Fritz figured out how to quote things probably. Here's hoping M3 will soon as well.
I have a right to know exactly how fast I am going to avoid getting a ticket, for example. Deliberately making a car's actual speed and speedometer vary is ridiculous and those manufacturers should be sued and the cars deemed not street legal. What's the point in speedometers then? Might as well remove them if you should only judge your cars sage speed by its handling/road conditions. And if what you said is true, I could think I am going exactly the speed limitand it turns out I am actually going 1-2 mph under it, leaving me liable for a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic. That could also deceive people into thinking a higher speed is safer even in cases where it isn't, due to it feeling slower because you aren't actually going that fast.
This past half hour is been about Triple M in the recent posts.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
I have a right to know exactly how fast I am going to avoid getting a ticket, for example. Deliberately making a car's actual speed and speedometer vary is ridiculous and those manufacturers should be sued and the cars deemed not street legal. What's the point in speedometers then? Might as well remove them if you should only judge your cars sage speed by its handling/road conditions. And if what you said is true, I could think I am going exactly the speed limitand it turns out I am actually going 1-2 mph under it, leaving me liable for a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic. That could also deceive people into thinking a higher speed is safer even in cases where it isn't, due to it feeling slower because you aren't actually going that fast.
There was a lawsuit Honda settled. They gave extra 5% to warranty mileage and few similar things. They should also demand speeding tickets uncharged to offset those costs IMHO.
Point is you car actual speed is difficult to measure as numbers would depend on weather among other things. GPS speedometer may be more accurate on a straight road. Not in tunnels, apparently. And there is no constitutional amendment about knowing your speed.
I don't think there is any jurisdiction which will fine you for speed limit-5. Feel free to bring an example.
Nevada passed a law a few years ago that's its illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane (keeping in mind that the left lane means anything other than the right lane on those roads). People have gotten fined for going as little as 2 under the speed limit. And BTW, what is this left.lane obsession among drivers. On 2 lane roads does it really matter what lane you drive in? On 3 lane roads, do they really expect all of traffic to use only 2 of the 3 lanes provided, do you know how much congestion that would cause? Besides do they expect you to literally change back and forth between the middle and left lanes every single time you pass slower cars, rather than just cruising in the left lane for a while when you're not actually impeding traffic?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
Nevada passed a law a few years ago that's its illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane (keeping in mind that the left lane means anything other than the right lane on those roads). People have gotten fined for going as little as 2 under the speed limit. And BTW, what is this left.lane obsession among drivers. On 2 lane roads does it really matter what lane you drive in? On 3 lane roads, do they really expect all of traffic to use only 2 of the 3 lanes provided, do you know how much congestion that would cause? Besides do they expect you to literally change back and forth between the middle and left lanes every single time you pass slower cars, rather than just cruising in the left lane for a while when you're not actually impeding traffic?
Citation needed
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
Nevada passed a law a few years ago that's its illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane (keeping in mind that the left lane means anything other than the right lane on those roads). People have gotten fined for going as little as 2 under the speed limit. And BTW, what is this left.lane obsession among drivers. On 2 lane roads does it really matter what lane you drive in? On 3 lane roads, do they really expect all of traffic to use only 2 of the 3 lanes provided, do you know how much congestion that would cause? Besides do they expect you to literally change back and forth between the middle and left lanes every single time you pass slower cars, rather than just cruising in the left lane for a while when you're not actually impeding traffic?
Good job, trolly, now you have a whole new fountain of ugly responses for the KREP! You may have a candy and a penny for this one!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2023, 10:11:17 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
Nevada passed a law a few years ago that's its illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane (keeping in mind that the left lane means anything other than the right lane on those roads). People have gotten fined for going as little as 2 under the speed limit. And BTW, what is this left.lane obsession among drivers. On 2 lane roads does it really matter what lane you drive in? On 3 lane roads, do they really expect all of traffic to use only 2 of the 3 lanes provided, do you know how much congestion that would cause? Besides do they expect you to literally change back and forth between the middle and left lanes every single time you pass slower cars, rather than just cruising in the left lane for a while when you're not actually impeding traffic?
Citation needed
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/woman-gets-ticket-for-going-2-mph-under-speed-limit/7079513
To be fair it says it was thrown out in court, but give me a break. That cop is probably the same type of person to give a ticket for going 2 mph OVER the limit in the same lane. Hope you have a good speedometer.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2023, 10:11:17 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
Nevada passed a law a few years ago that's its illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane (keeping in mind that the left lane means anything other than the right lane on those roads). People have gotten fined for going as little as 2 under the speed limit. And BTW, what is this left.lane obsession among drivers. On 2 lane roads does it really matter what lane you drive in? On 3 lane roads, do they really expect all of traffic to use only 2 of the 3 lanes provided, do you know how much congestion that would cause? Besides do they expect you to literally change back and forth between the middle and left lanes every single time you pass slower cars, rather than just cruising in the left lane for a while when you're not actually impeding traffic?
Citation needed
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/woman-gets-ticket-for-going-2-mph-under-speed-limit/7079513
To be fair it says it was thrown out in court, but give me a break. That cop is probably the same type of person to give a ticket for going 2 mph OVER the limit in the same lane. Hope you have a good speedometer.
So if it was thrown out then what are you concerned about? What was the fine schedule for the infraction? Did it even include license points? Also, your link is from Maryland and not Nevada.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2023, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2023, 10:11:17 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
Nevada passed a law a few years ago that's its illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane (keeping in mind that the left lane means anything other than the right lane on those roads). People have gotten fined for going as little as 2 under the speed limit. And BTW, what is this left.lane obsession among drivers. On 2 lane roads does it really matter what lane you drive in? On 3 lane roads, do they really expect all of traffic to use only 2 of the 3 lanes provided, do you know how much congestion that would cause? Besides do they expect you to literally change back and forth between the middle and left lanes every single time you pass slower cars, rather than just cruising in the left lane for a while when you're not actually impeding traffic?
Citation needed
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/woman-gets-ticket-for-going-2-mph-under-speed-limit/7079513
To be fair it says it was thrown out in court, but give me a break. That cop is probably the same type of person to give a ticket for going 2 mph OVER the limit in the same lane. Hope you have a good speedometer.
So if it was thrown out then what are you concerned about? What was the fine schedule for the infraction? Did it even include license points?
Even being pulled over and let go is a hassle...
I bet that was a pretext stop, though.
PS: sorry - messed up quoting first time.
You asked for a Citation for what was in bold, but here's one for the left lane law:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:37:55 AM
You asked for a Citation for what was in bold, but here's one for the left lane law:
I'm aware of the law in Nevada. What I asked you to find is an example where it was used, you came up with an example from Maryland.
Why are you so concerned traffic laws in Nevada? As far as I'm aware you never have expressed interest in even visiting the state. If a traffic cop really wants to pull you over at the end of the day they'll find a way to do, it doesn't necessarily need to be speed related.
Dude, Nevada is one of the states I might move to.
The 2 mph one had nothing to do with Nevada, that was a separate case. The Nevada one is more ridiculous though because it is saying you have to drive exactly the speed limit in the lane. You see, I told you I was right that speed limits mean you have to drive exactly at them, not below or above, unless a separate minimum speed is otherwise posted.
related.
What's I've noticed about your post trends is that you clearly view the world in a black and white objective narrative when it comes to things like traffic laws. I find this fascinating that it seemingly is beyond your comprehension that most of these laws have grey areas and enforcement tends to fall into the grey area as well.
So if I have this right, you are afraid if you "might" move to Nevada and that some traffic officer is going to hunt you down for going a nominal speed below the posted limit?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:45:07 AM
Dude, Nevada is one of the states I might move to.
The 2 mph one had nothing to do with Nevada, that was a separate case. The Nevada one is more ridiculous though because it is saying you have to drive exactly the speed limit in the lane. You see, I told you I was right that speed limits mean you have to drive exactly at them, not below or above, unless a separate minimum speed is otherwise posted.
Again the case of those in power having a tripping hazard IQ level. Still better than Indiana pi=3.0 bill.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2023, 10:48:51 AM
related.
What's I've noticed about your post trends is that you clearly view the world in a black and white objective narrative when it comes to things like traffic laws. I find this fascinating that it seemingly is beyond your comprehension that most of these laws have grey areas and enforcement tends to fall into the grey area as well.
So if I have this right, you are afraid if you "might" move to Nevada and that some traffic officer is going to hunt you down for going a nominal speed below the posted limit?
Trolling aside, a great example of impossible law which should get thrown out in court is brought up. A quote of federal standard requiring certain speedometer accuracy should close the case.
Best thing there is all those representatives voting for the law. I assume it was on page 1234 of a must-pass omnibus budget bill, though, so hard to blame them. So much for democracy in action.
Laws have Grey areas? Interesting because I have never seen a Grey sign right below a white speed limit sign with some range of numbers above the speed limit that are enforcement "Grey areas". The only other speed limit signs I've seen are night ones which have the colors inverted, so yes, speed limits literally are black and white laws. Not getting a ticket for 8 mph over is usually just a really good luck of the draw, if you happen to get an extremely nice cop who pulls you over who's about to get off his shift anyway and highway conditions are fantastic. Otherwise, in most states in this country, once you go more than 4 mph over, as soon as you cross the beam of a radar gun, that cop is going to put the pedal to the metal to catch up to you, get right up your cars derriere, and light you up, and before you even process what's happening, you'll be getting your ticket printed out in the squad car.
Quote from: kphoger on February 28, 2023, 11:06:41 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 27, 2023, 09:38:17 PM
If I trying to go exactly 75 mph, it harder to keep the needle exactly on a 5 mph smaller mark than to hit the cruise control once the digital number reads 75
If I want to drive exactly 75 mph, here's what I do: accelerate until the needle touches the 75 tick mark, then push the cruise control button. How is that any different than accelerating until the digital readout says 75, then pushing the cruise control button?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 27, 2023, 10:39:22 PM
I have a right to know exactly how fast I am going
No, you don't.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 27, 2023, 10:39:22 PM
no reason a speedometer can't be accurate to .1 mph.
There's no reason a speedometer needs to be accurate to .1 mph. Have you ever heard of anyone being issued a ticket for going .1 mph over the limit? Nope, you haven't. Good enough is good enough.
Quote from: Hobart on February 27, 2023, 10:23:21 PM
You can't go an exact speed limit with a digital speedometer, there are no decimals!
Agreed. Pushing aside the fact that speedometers can be slightly inaccurate due to tire size and wear and whatnot, let's imagine that they were completely accurate. If I want to go just a hair under 75 mph, like 74¾ mph, then I can simply adjust my cruise control until the right edge of the needle barely grazes the 75 tick mark. Or if I want to just a hair over, like 75¼ mph, then I can set it to where the left edge of the needle barely grazes the tick mark. With a digital speedometer, you have no idea if it's set to just above or just below your target speed.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 27, 2023, 10:45:42 PM
All state law makers should have to drive the entire length of whatever stretch of road they are contemplating raising the speed limit, at the proposed speed limit, to help them decide. When they are sick of crawling at 75 mph in the middle of nowhere on a wide open straight highway, they may agree to an 80 or 90 mph speed limit.
I'm going to blow your mind. Ready?
State lawmakers know how to drive. Many of them spent countless miles driving on the campaign trail before they ended up in their current office. Many of them drive on family vacations, drive to different towns as part of their job, etc. And guess what? Some of them still arrive at different conclusions than you.
Do you really imagine that California State Assemblymen have never driven from, say, Sacramento to San Francisco or Los Angeles? Of course they have! That doesn't mean they have all come to the conclusion that speed limits should be raised. In fact, I'm sure some of them would like them to be lowered.
Yeah, but there's the issue of engaging the cruise control while simultaneously taking your foot off the gas. Sometimes the car automatically wobbles between a couple mph before the cruise control fully engages. Unless you keep the precise pressure on the gas pedal until after the cruise control engages, you have no guarantee that the cruise is actually going the speed you intend to set it at. I've set it at 75, and then 2 minutes later it drops to 74 for a second, indicating it wasn't a true 75 mph. Also, just the act of the cruise control engaging may alter the pressure in the gas pedal, throwing off your pressure perception on it and end up altering the speed at the moment the cruise control engages. Therefore, it is hard to precisely set the cruise control since just the act of setting it can slightly alter the cars speed in the moment.
Also I doubt state law makers are going to be focusing on the road when they are thinking of their upcoming conference or whatever in the other city they are driving to. That's if they are even driving at all and not being shouferred. A rich congressman or legislator is not going to care about the efficiency of a highway. The average commuter who has to work a 9 to 5 and take that route daily, will care.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:06:31 AM
Laws have Grey areas? Interesting because I have never seen a Grey sign right below a white speed limit sign with some range of numbers above the speed limit that are enforcement "Grey areas". The only other speed limit signs I've seen are night ones which have the colors inverted, so yes, speed limits literally are black and white laws. Not getting a ticket for 8 mph over is usually just a really good luck of the draw, if you happen to get an extremely nice cop who pulls you over who's about to get off his shift anyway and highway conditions are fantastic. Otherwise, in most states in this country, once you go more than 4 mph over, as soon as you cross the beam of a radar gun, that cop is going to put the pedal to the metal to catch up to you, get right up your cars derriere, and light you up, and before you even process what's happening, you'll be getting your ticket printed out in the squad car.
I've been pulled over for 11 over and 10 over and gotten warnings. Also gotten tickets but knock on wood not for 16 years, with one of those two warnings coming 11 years ago.
I would imagine, that since you come to every human interaction with high-heat, you would not be very good at interacting with a cop in a traffic stop and thus would get a ticket every time. Being pulled over for speeding is the place where you take off and hide your know-it-all hat during the interaction.
The
laws are black and white, the
enforcement of those laws is not. Get pulled over while driving with a radar detector, you aren't getting a warning, even in the majority of states where they are legal.
Look at it this way, you get arrested for a crime and at some point a DA decides whether to charge you for that crime or not. With a civil violation traffic stop, the cop on site tends to have the authority to be the DA in that instance. I know I'm oversimplifying it, but that's how it functions.
Dude, did you read my worst traffic warnings thread. The OP is my account of getting only a warning for 23 mph over, 73 in a 50 on the Belt Parkway in NYC, I know how to interact with cops lol. Literally the NYS DMV manual says you are never allowed to exceed the speed limit even in emergency situations. As ludicrous as that sounds, it does imply that even if a Tsunami was heading straight toward Long Island from the Rhode Island Sound, as soon as you cross 60 mph heading westbound on the 55 mph speed limited L.I.E, a cop will emerge and pull you over, and sit there typing out the ticket even as the wave is engulfing both cars and the ticket will be washed away anyway.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
Dude, did you read my worst traffic warnings thread. The OP is my account of getting only a warning for 23 mph over, 73 in a 50 on the Belt Parkway in NYC, I know how to interact with cops lol. Literally the NYS DMV manual says you are never allowed to exceed the speed limit even in emergency situations. As ludicrous as that sounds, it does imply that even if a Tsunami was heading straight toward Long Island from the Rhode Island Sound, as soon as you cross 60 mph heading westbound on the 55 mph speed limited L.I.E, a cop will emerge and pull you over, and sit there typing out the ticket even as the wave is engulfing both cars and the ticket will be washed away anyway.
A limit is the limit. What's the point of limit if it can be bent over by anyone?
With that, unrealistic speed limits - and unspoken expectations about those limits - is the current unwritten agreement. Again, so much for the democratic procedures.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
Dude, did you read my worst traffic warnings thread. The OP is my account of getting only a warning for 23 mph over, 73 in a 50 on the Belt Parkway in NYC, I know how to interact with cops lol. Literally the NYS DMV manual says you are never allowed to exceed the speed limit even in emergency situations. As ludicrous as that sounds, it does imply that even if a Tsunami was heading straight toward Long Island from the Rhode Island Sound, as soon as you cross 60 mph heading westbound on the 55 mph speed limited L.I.E, a cop will emerge and pull you over, and sit there typing out the ticket even as the wave is engulfing both cars and the ticket will be washed away anyway.
You take everything so literal.
Use common sense.
Plus you would never ever be able outrun a Tsunami anyway. There wouldn't be time for you, so kiss your miserable life goodbye.
While I haven't looked at the laws myself, I'm reminded of this post by kphoger:
Quote from: kphoger on June 28, 2019, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 28, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Does Texas permit passing in the shoulder when vehicles are presenting an obstruction in the primary lane of travel? My earlier assertion was simply that you may pass on the right (if the roadway is wide enough to permit such a maneuver), if there is enough room to do so. The car being passed on the right did not have to be turning. Just traveling below the speed limit.
The only things similar to the 'presenting an obstruction' idea are these:
Quote from: Texas Transportation Code, Sec. 545.058
An operator may drive on an improved shoulder to the right of the main traveled portion of a roadway if that operation is necessary and may be done safely, but only:
(4) to pass another vehicle that is ... disabled ...
(7) to avoid a collision.
So, no, a driver merely going a bit slower than you are doesn't count.
Sec. 545.057 does allow you to pass on the right (but not the shoulder) on a one-way road as long as the road is wide enough, but that's still not the situation anyone is describing here.
There might be something in the law itself (but not in the driver's manual) that provides an exception for avoiding a collision.
On Michigan freeways I've done 80 past a cop in a 70 zone and had nothing happen. Traffic generally moves at about 80-85 mph on the freeways.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2023, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
Dude, did you read my worst traffic warnings thread. The OP is my account of getting only a warning for 23 mph over, 73 in a 50 on the Belt Parkway in NYC, I know how to interact with cops lol. Literally the NYS DMV manual says you are never allowed to exceed the speed limit even in emergency situations. As ludicrous as that sounds, it does imply that even if a Tsunami was heading straight toward Long Island from the Rhode Island Sound, as soon as you cross 60 mph heading westbound on the 55 mph speed limited L.I.E, a cop will emerge and pull you over, and sit there typing out the ticket even as the wave is engulfing both cars and the ticket will be washed away anyway.
You take everything so literal.
Use common sense.
Plus you would never ever be able outrun a Tsunami anyway. There wouldn't be time for you, so kiss your miserable life goodbye.
Certainly it's possible to walk away from tsunami. It's about getting uphill mostly.
And is there any mention of "common sense" in MA or NH traffic law? Problem is that once they decide to throw a book on you, laws become very literal.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
I have a right to know exactly how fast I am going
No, you don't.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
What's the point in speedometers then?
To tell you how fast you're going. Which they do. Just not down to the level of precision you'd like.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
Might as well remove them if you should only judge your cars sage speed by its handling/road conditions.
I've driven multiple vehicles with non-working speedometers. Plenty of people do.
But nobody said "you should only judge your car's sage (?) speed by its handling/road conditions". What we're saying is that you should judge the safety of your vehicle's speed based on stuff other than your speedometer. For example, Mexico has no such thing as speed advisory tabs. So, when you come to a curve there, it's up to you to determine what speed is safe. That skill is just part of driving. You seem to lack that skill.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
I could think I am going exactly the speed limitand it turns out I am actually going 1-2 mph under it, leaving me liable for a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.
Actually, if you're impeding traffic in the left lane, then it shouldn't matter at all what number the needle is pointing to. If someone is trying to pass you, then get over into the right lane.
Quote from: kalvado on February 28, 2023, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2023, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
Dude, did you read my worst traffic warnings thread. The OP is my account of getting only a warning for 23 mph over, 73 in a 50 on the Belt Parkway in NYC, I know how to interact with cops lol. Literally the NYS DMV manual says you are never allowed to exceed the speed limit even in emergency situations. As ludicrous as that sounds, it does imply that even if a Tsunami was heading straight toward Long Island from the Rhode Island Sound, as soon as you cross 60 mph heading westbound on the 55 mph speed limited L.I.E, a cop will emerge and pull you over, and sit there typing out the ticket even as the wave is engulfing both cars and the ticket will be washed away anyway.
You take everything so literal.
Use common sense.
Plus you would never ever be able outrun a Tsunami anyway. There wouldn’t be time for you, so kiss your miserable life goodbye.
Certainly it's possible to walk away from tsunami. It's about getting uphill mostly.
And is there any mention of "common sense" in MA or NH traffic law? Problem is that once they decide to throw a book on you, laws become very literal.
Not questioning the common sense of law makers or law enforcement. Just the troll.
I am very well aware of the law enforcement in some areas. Remember we had a cop once commit a murder a few years back who I don’t know how he thought he would get away with it being captured on someone’s phone and posted everywhere on the net, but killed the man anyway.
So yes you have to watch them in some cities and states.
But to answer a trolls dumb question and to point out he takes things way to serious, I used the way to literal factor.
Yesterday I was driving along M-46 in a stretch where it's five lanes two in each direction with a turning lane. A car in the left lane and a car in the right lane decide to go the same speed which was well under the speed limit and had a bunch of traffic backing up behind them. Yes it was snowing out but the roads were not bad and without them in my way I would have been able to go the speed limit at least. That's the kind of shit that pisses me off.
Quote from: kphoger on February 28, 2023, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 09:03:43 AM
I could think I am going exactly the speed limitand it turns out I am actually going 1-2 mph under it, leaving me liable for a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.
Actually, if you're impeding traffic in the left lane, then it shouldn't matter at all what number the needle is pointing to. If someone is trying to pass you, then get over into the right lane.
Which was the bigger point in that Maryland article MMM cited earlier (but of course, that was conveniently left out of his narrative of the story after he quoted it).
I don't care what lane I am in, saying you have to go exactly a certain speed is absurd. If they had cited her just for failing to keep right that would be fair, but it was for her speed. I generally keep right, or at least stay in the right half of the road, and think that is a very important rule, but it is ridiculous to claim 63 in a 65 is too slow, while 5 miles later you have cops running radar trying to get people going 70 in the other lanes because "speed kills".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
I don't care what lane I am in, saying you have to go exactly a certain speed is absurd. If they had cited her just for failing to keep right that would be fair, but it was for her speed. I generally keep right, or at least stay in the right half of the road, and think that is a very important rule, but it is ridiculous to claim 63 in a 65 is too slow, while 5 miles later you have cops running radar trying to get people going 70 in the other lanes because "speed kills".
No cop here is going to pull you over for 5 over. If you were in the left lane here on a freeway and you were doing exactly the speed limit you would get ran off the road. Seriously if you aren't doing at least 80 in the left lane you're going too slow.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
I don't care what lane I am in, saying you have to go exactly a certain speed is absurd. If they had cited her just for failing to keep right that would be fair, but it was for her speed. I generally keep right, or at least stay in the right half of the road, and think that is a very important rule, but it is ridiculous to claim 63 in a 65 is too slow, while 5 miles later you have cops running radar trying to get people going 70 in the other lanes because "speed kills".
For what it's worth, at time that lady was ticketed, she was not breaking any Maryland state law. Unless I'm mistaken, only traffic going at least 10 mph under the limit were required to keep right back in 2013. I know the law keeps coming up for amendment every few years, but I'm not sure if any of those bills have actually passed both houses.
I'm not aware of any jurisdiction where driving 2 mph under the posted limit is against the law. There are plenty of jurisdictions where impeding traffic in the left lane,
no matter what speed you're going is illegal, and Maryland appears to be one of them.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
I don't care what lane I am in, saying you have to go exactly a certain speed is absurd. If they had cited her just for failing to keep right that would be fair, but it was for her speed. I generally keep right, or at least stay in the right half of the road, and think that is a very important rule, but it is ridiculous to claim 63 in a 65 is too slow, while 5 miles later you have cops running radar trying to get people going 70 in the other lanes because "speed kills".
"Saying you have to go exactly a certain speed is absurd." Aren't you the goober who, just last week, thought that the speed limit signs referred to the minimum and maximum speeds of a road, and that you had to drive exactly that speed?
Not keeping right is an issue because of speed; improper passing lane usage is an issue because of speed; if you want to drive the minimum speed, you should be in the right lane. The policemen are being perfectly reasonable. Stop getting all worked up, you're gonna make your life shorter that way from all the stress.
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Quote from: kkt on February 28, 2023, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 28, 2023, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 10:45:07 AM
Dude, Nevada is one of the states I might move to.
oh god
Take it easy, it's a big state...
Maybe MMM will be the last man standing in Coaldale once the Buc-ee's off I-11 is built?
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
The strip is a major tourist attraction. Nobody wants a giant elavated freeway about their heads when they are having fun.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 28, 2023, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
The strip is a major tourist attraction. Nobody wants a giant elavated freeway about their heads when they are having fun.
Wasn't one of the urbanism groups pushing to convert Las Vegas Boulevard into a pedestrian mall?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 28, 2023, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
The strip is a major tourist attraction. Nobody wants a giant elavated freeway about their heads when they are having fun.
It would be designed though so that the palm trees stick out through the median, similar to how the Merritt Parkway has fully grown trees in the median. Don't worry, I would never suggest anything to harm the scenic beauty of the SouthWest.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:21:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 28, 2023, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
The strip is a major tourist attraction. Nobody wants a giant elavated freeway about their heads when they are having fun.
It would be designed though so that the palm trees stick out through the median, similar to how the Merritt Parkway has fully grown trees in the median. Don't worry, I would never suggest anything to harm the scenic beauty of the SouthWest.
The highway is still very loud. And what would you do about exits?
No exits, it would be thru traffic over the entire strip. The only entrance and exit would be at both ends of the strip so that no weird ramps would be spiraling down onto the strip.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
This is bad, even for you. I-15, a ten lane freeway, is 1,000 feet away. I-215, a beltway, is about 8 miles away. Moments like these make me wonder if you're trolling, or if you're just really dense.
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
That's all right. A redundant freeway over The Strip is mild compared to building an interstate through Grand Canyon
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
US 93 is I-11 south of Vegas in case you haven’t heard the news.
It would only run from I-84 in Twin Falls Idaho, to I-15 in Nevada.
You said the whole length which includes south into AZ. Plus US 95 May become I-11. That would be redundant again.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(https://i.imgur.com/HdsFAv8.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rrwmFl1.jpeg)
Quote from: US 89 on March 01, 2023, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(https://i.imgur.com/HdsFAv8.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rrwmFl1.jpeg)
How much busier is US 95 in Nevada, which is proposed as I-11?
Quote from: US 89 on March 01, 2023, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(images of what I assume is the void)
Good lord, it's so empty that not even FritzOwl would run an Interstate through there.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 01, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
(images of what I assume is the void)
It's not the void, but it's far enough out that I think there are some floating-point errors if you look closely enough.
Worth noting, US 6 has a substantially longer area without services between Ely and Tonopah (163 miles). The "void zones" in Nevada are common thing given much of the state competes with Alaska for population density outside of Reno-Carson City and Las Vegas.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 01, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: US 89 on March 01, 2023, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(images of what I assume is the void)
Good lord, it's so empty that not even FritzOwl would run an Interstate through there.
Pump the brakes here. FritzOwl turns the Dempster Highway into an interstate.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 01, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: US 89 on March 01, 2023, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(images of what I assume is the void)
Good lord, it's so empty that not even FritzOwl would run an Interstate through there.
Pump the brakes here. FritzOwl turns the Dempster Highway into an interstate.
He also ran an Interstate through the Nevada Test Site. To Fritz the Great Basin always has been a blank canvas.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 01, 2023, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 01, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: US 89 on March 01, 2023, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(images of what I assume is the void)
Good lord, it's so empty that not even FritzOwl would run an Interstate through there.
Pump the brakes here. FritzOwl turns the Dempster Highway into an interstate.
He also ran an Interstate through the Nevada Test Site. To Fritz the Great Basin always has been a blank canvas.
What about area 51
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 01, 2023, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 01, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: US 89 on March 01, 2023, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:44:58 PM
Actually, I am an idiot. It wouldn't go down to the Vegas Strip, it would simply follow the entire length of US 93 in Nevada. I got my alignment mixed up sorry!
Something tells me you've never been on US 93 in eastern Nevada. Allow me to give you a little insight as to what the traffic on that road looks like...
(images of what I assume is the void)
Good lord, it's so empty that not even FritzOwl would run an Interstate through there.
Pump the brakes here. FritzOwl turns the Dempster Highway into an interstate.
He also ran an Interstate through the Nevada Test Site. To Fritz the Great Basin always has been a blank canvas.
What about area 51
Not too far away, that's in the Nellis Air Force Range. The Area numbers are actually based off the Tonopah Mining District. If I recall correctly the Nevada Test Site is Areas 1-31.
US 93 is a 2 lane road, it definitely needs to become an interstate so there's no risk of having a head on collision at 160 mph. If the road is that deserted than I may be willing to settle for 4 lanes total, but Interstate 80 needs to be widened to 6 lanes in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, and Indiana.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
US 93 is a 2 lane road, it definitely needs to become an interstate so there's no risk of having a head on collision at 160 mph. If the road is that deserted than I may be willing to settle for 4 lanes total, but Interstate 80 needs to be widened to 6 lanes in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, and Indiana.
So you want us waste tax money to four lane US 93 despite its trafffic counts low? All because it suites you?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
US 93 is a 2 lane road, it definitely needs to become an interstate so there's no risk of having a head on collision at 160 mph.
How is this different from practically every two-lane highway in the entire western half of the country?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
If the road is that deserted than I may be willing to settle for 4 lanes total, but Interstate 80 needs to be widened to 6 lanes in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, and Indiana.
Why not widen all of I-84, I-90, I-94, I-25, I-10, I-20, I-35?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:42:48 PM
All interstate standard highways need to be a minimum of 6 lanes in rural regions, 8 lanes in suburban regions, and 10-12 lanes in all cities. Otherwise, those 2 lane undivided roads are in need of lower speed limits, either 37, 47, or 67 mph depending on their design, with strict tolerance speed cameras randomly placed along their length.
Even if four lanes work fine? So where do you suppose this money come from? It takes billions to meet your criteria. Even if Joe signs an executive order, it wouldn’t cover it.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:42:48 PM
All interstate standard highways need to be a minimum of 6 lanes in rural regions, 8 lanes in suburban regions, and 10-12 lanes in all cities. Otherwise, those 2 lane undivided roads are in need of lower speed limits, either 37, 47, or 67 mph depending on their design, with strict tolerance speed cameras randomly placed along their length.
Even if four lanes work fine? So where do you suppose this money come from? It takes billions to meet your criteria. Even if Joe signs an executive order, it wouldn't cover it.
MMM is the new Steve Jobs. Let's don't get into if it's possible physically or financially, just put every song I have ever heard in my life in that phone now!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:42:48 PM
those 2 lane undivided roads are in need of lower speed limits, either 37, 47, or 67 mph depending on their design, with strict tolerance speed cameras randomly placed along their length.
Why? According to the FHWA...
Quote from: U.S. Department of Transportation – Federal Highway Administration – Speed Concepts: Informational Guide (SEP 2009)
Posted speeds must be reasonable. Speed limits are only meaningful if the majority of motorists comply voluntarily and that occurs only if a speed limit is reasonable. ... The (MUTCD) indicates that posted speeds "should be within 5 mph of the 85th-percentile speed of free-flowing traffic. ... State or local officials often receive citizen requests for speed limit reductions because of perceived excessive speeds. However, research has repeatedly shown that changes in posted speeds have little effect on operating speeds. ... It is extremely rare and generally considered counterproductive to cite drivers operating slightly over the speed limit. ... Some people have difficulty understanding how it can be acceptable for a speed limit to exceed the designated design speed. First, geometric design criteria above minimum values for a designated design speed are often used. Secondly, geometric design criteria have been developed using a variety of premises. For example, horizontal curve criteria are based on "comfort" levels, the sensory response of vehicle occupants to unbalanced lateral acceleration. The values were developed in the 1940s. Lastly, the criteria are based on assumed conditions that are improbably poor (e.g., actual conditions will likely be better).
Besides which, non-freeway arterial highways in level areas are designed with design speed range of 60 to 75 mph.
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:42:48 PM
those 2 lane undivided roads are in need of lower speed limits, either 37, 47, or 67 mph depending on their design, with strict tolerance speed cameras randomly placed along their length.
Why? According to the FHWA...
Quote from: U.S. Department of Transportation – Federal Highway Administration – Speed Concepts: Informational Guide (SEP 2009)
Posted speeds must be reasonable. Speed limits are only meaningful if the majority of motorists comply voluntarily and that occurs only if a speed limit is reasonable. ... The (MUTCD) indicates that posted speeds "should be within 5 mph of the 85th-percentile speed of free-flowing traffic. ... State or local officials often receive citizen requests for speed limit reductions because of perceived excessive speeds. However, research has repeatedly shown that changes in posted speeds have little effect on operating speeds. ... It is extremely rare and generally considered counterproductive to cite drivers operating slightly over the speed limit. ... Some people have difficulty understanding how it can be acceptable for a speed limit to exceed the designated design speed. First, geometric design criteria above minimum values for a designated design speed are often used. Secondly, geometric design criteria have been developed using a variety of premises. For example, horizontal curve criteria are based on "comfort" levels, the sensory response of vehicle occupants to unbalanced lateral acceleration. The values were developed in the 1940s. Lastly, the criteria are based on assumed conditions that are improbably poor (e.g., actual conditions will likely be better).
Besides which, non-freeway arterial highways in level areas are designed with design speed range of 60 to 75 mph.
Non-devided high speed road would definitely be more prone to severe head-ons. Traffic levels people are quoting should make these head-ons pretty rare, but still.
Is there a way to make a road divided but maintain passing capability without spending a fortune and a half?
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 02:32:44 PM
Is there a way to make a road divided but maintain passing capability without spending a fortune and a half?
Well, yes, sort of, but I suspect the results might be different than what you had in mind.
Mexico is quite fond of this cheaper alternative. They call it "Tipo A2", and it is implemented on routes where a standard two-lane highway is deemed insufficient. It has 2.5-meter paved shoulders, which are intended for use by slower vehicles. Passing down the middle is accomplished by both directions of traffic.
(https://i.imgur.com/ddboX5g.jpg)
Random GSV snapshots:
(https://i.imgur.com/z8kz13k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zWnBzSr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dolHaHn.jpg)
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 02:32:44 PM
Is there a way to make a road divided but maintain passing capability without spending a fortune and a half?
Well, yes, sort of, but I suspect the results might be different than what you had in mind.
Mexico is quite fond of this cheaper alternative. They call it "Tipo A2", and it is implemented on routes where a standard two-lane highway is deemed insufficient. It has 2.5-meter paved shoulders, which are intended for use by slower vehicles. Passing down the middle is accomplished by both directions of traffic.
(https://i.imgur.com/ddboX5g.jpg)
Random GSV snapshots:
Well, it doesn't really achieve "divided" safety. Having a divided highway with 1.5 lane per direction... may be not that bad of an idea?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
US 93 is a 2 lane road, it definitely needs to become an interstate so there's no risk of having a head on collision at 160 mph.
That's not how physics works.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 01, 2023, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
US 93 is a 2 lane road, it definitely needs to become an interstate so there's no risk of having a head on collision at 160 mph.
That's not how physics works.
And who the hell drives 160 on a two lane road besides show offs?
He's trying to make the force of an 80-mph collision equal 160 mph. As |SectorZ| pointed out, that's not how physics works: the force for each vehicle would be the same as hitting a stationary object.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won’t let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they’re for higher taxes. You know that. That’s why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You don’t vote.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won't let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they're for higher taxes. You know that. That's why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You are right, but let's not get into politics here.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won't let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they're for higher taxes. You know that. That's why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You are right, but let's not get into politics here.
Nope I'm done, but this guy thinks money in our nation can fund his silly ideas.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won't let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they're for higher taxes. You know that. That's why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You are right, but let's not get into politics here.
Nope I'm done, but this guy thinks money in our nation can fund his silly ideas.
Even if the rich were taxed fairly there are about 10000 other better things to spend our money on than MMM's ideas.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
You're only here for Fictional and Off-topic. You're a troll.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
If that decision could be moving this thread, that would be GREAT. :cheers:
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
You're only here for Fictional and Off-topic. You're a troll.
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
Quote from: webny99 on March 01, 2023, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
If that decision could be moving this thread, that would be GREAT. :cheers:
I think it's another decision. That might be even more GREAT!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
You're only here for Fictional and Off-topic. You're a troll.
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
You have no knowledge of your own region. You post about US 93 in Nevada, that you know nothing about.
How can you say you don't post where you don't know.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
Key part highlighted. This guy has nothing to add to the conversation except rants and made-up stuff.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
You're only here for Fictional and Off-topic. You're a troll.
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
You have no knowledge of your own region. You post about US 93 in Nevada, that you know nothing about.
How can you say you don't post where you don't know.
Huh? You talking to me? I just said that I don't post in regional boards much because I don't know a ton about those regions.
You means like lines across Grand Canyon and to rant about the Thruway speed limit in Yonkers not to his highness criteria as being too low.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
You're only here for Fictional and Off-topic. You're a troll.
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
You have no knowledge of your own region. You post about US 93 in Nevada, that you know nothing about.
How can you say you don't post where you don't know.
Huh? You talking to me? I just said that I don't post in regional boards much because I don't know a ton about those regions.
Sorry I thought you were that troll. I thought he said what you said.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:38:12 PM
You means like lines across Grand Canyon and to rant about the Thruway speed limit in Yonkers not to his highness criteria as being too low.
I think that you meant to quote MMM, not me.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:38:12 PM
You means like lines across Grand Canyon and to rant about the Thruway speed limit in Yonkers not to his highness criteria as being too low.
I think that you meant to quote MMM, not me.
Wait, are we building that Grand Canyon super bridge carrying an interstate? I think four interstates should cross the Grand Canyon with a 5-level stack interchange in mid-air.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:38:12 PM
You means like lines across Grand Canyon and to rant about the Thruway speed limit in Yonkers not to his highness criteria as being too low.
I think that you meant to quote MMM, not me.
Why is KPhoger talking to you as he would Triple M. He's got me confused now.
I'm getting mangled myself in quotes.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on March 01, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:38:12 PM
You means like lines across Grand Canyon and to rant about the Thruway speed limit in Yonkers not to his highness criteria as being too low.
I think that you meant to quote MMM, not me.
Wait, are we building that Grand Canyon super bridge carrying an interstate? I think four interstates should cross the Grand Canyon with a 5-level stack interchange in mid-air.
Don’t forget the helipads on each end of that structure for his helicopters for runaway trucks.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on March 01, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:38:12 PM
You means like lines across Grand Canyon and to rant about the Thruway speed limit in Yonkers not to his highness criteria as being too low.
I think that you meant to quote MMM, not me.
Wait, are we building that Grand Canyon super bridge carrying an interstate? I think four interstates should cross the Grand Canyon with a 5-level stack interchange in mid-air.
In Cities Skylines, I did build a city on a grand canyon map. And I did build highways over and through it. But I also build a monorail over it, and MMM hates trains.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:42:27 PM
Why is KPhoger talking to you as he would Triple M. He's got me confused now.
Huh? I'm not allowed to talk to |Roadgeekteen| now? He posted something, and I quoted it to reply to him–to say, in fact, that he
isn't like |MultiDozenMiler|.
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
Key part highlighted. This guy has nothing to add to the conversation except rants and made-up stuff.
No this here sounds like you’re criticizing Roadgeekteen and talking as he were MMM. After all that does fit the trolls MO.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
Key part highlighted. This guy has nothing to add to the conversation except rants and made-up stuff.
No this here sounds like you're criticizing Roadgeekteen and talking as he were MMM. After all that does fit the trolls MO.
No, he criticized MMM, I made a similarity to him, Kphoger said that I was not like him because of the highlighted stuff, and noted that MMM is different from me because MMM does not add anything to the conversation.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Psychology major does give good insight in how to keep a troll gag going for this long, I'm not admitting to anything, just saying ;-)
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
You're only here for Fictional and Off-topic. You're a troll.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Hey, those are my top 2 boards as well! :rolleyes: Though I do read and post in basically every board except for some of the regional boards if I have no knowledge of those regions.
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 03:34:02 PM
Key part highlighted. This guy has nothing to add to the conversation except rants and made-up stuff.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:55:34 PM
No this here sounds like you're criticizing Roadgeekteen and talking as he were MMM. After all that does fit the trolls MO.
Here, I split them all out for you. I said that the key part of RGT's post is that he posts in all different boards–not just in one or two like MMM. In contrast, I said, MMM has nothing of substance to add to the roadgeek conversation in general.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won't let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they're for higher taxes. You know that. That's why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You don't vote.
Both a sex filled and politically filled life are meaningless. I don't vote because both sides are assholes who can't ever conceive of a "middleground" in their black and white view on everything.
Also, for those claiming I don't understand physics. Two cars are approaching either other at 80 mph. What's the head on collision speed if one drifts over the line?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
Both a sex filled and politically filled life are meaningless. I don't vote because both sides are assholes who can't ever conceive of a "middleground" in their black and white view on everything.
Pot meet kettle
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
Both a sex filled and politically filled life are meaningless. I don't vote because both sides are assholes who can't ever conceive of a "middleground" in their black and white view on everything.
Pot meet kettle
Sounds like an empty existence to me. Never participate and wonder why your opinion is ignored/not valued.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
I don't vote because both sides are assholes who can't ever conceive of a "middleground" in their black and white view on everything.
That's what voting in the primaries is for. Vote for the less-assholic candidates in the primaries.
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won't let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they're for higher taxes. You know that. That's why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You don't vote.
Both a sex filled and politically filled life are meaningless. I don't vote because both sides are assholes who can't ever conceive of a "middleground" in their black and white view on everything.
Also, for those claiming I don't understand physics. Two cars are approaching either other at 80 mph. What's the head on collision speed if one drifts over the line?
Former libertarian here! Have you ever heard of voting third party?
Technically, the collision speed remains at 80 miles an hour. The impact speed on one driver relative to the other is 160 miles an hour. You're lucky I replied to this, because you worded the question so poorly that a lot of people would be unable to interpret it, even if they took Physics I: Mechanics.
However, two cars won't hit each other anyways; the road is sparse, and you said yourself people should be able to drive perfectly at 80 miles an hour through a construction zone while avoiding construction workers. Another car is significantly easier to avoid than construction workers. Be consistent! It'll make you look less horrible than you do normally!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
OK, if you don't want to vote, that's fine. I'm not hating on you for that. But don't complain about actions of politicians if you couldn't even bother to show up to vote them out.
I voted for the lesser of two evils and got chastised over it, but it won't stop me from voting again.
I declare today's round won by the trolly with 10:0 score by diverting discussion into politics.
Trolly gets 2 carrots and a cake.
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:50:09 PM
Taxing the Rich much higher amounts, and also the revenue generated by those strict tolerance speed ticketing cameras that trigger once you exceed the next prime number over the 67 mph speed limit.
The problem is the rich run Washington. Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, even when Bush was head of state he had billions and still does. They won't let themselves be taxed even though some of them claim they're for higher taxes. You know that. That's why your political life is as active as your sex life remember.
You don't vote.
Both a sex filled and politically filled life are meaningless. I don't vote because both sides are assholes who can't ever conceive of a "middleground" in their black and white view on everything.
Also, for those claiming I don't understand physics. Two cars are approaching either other at 80 mph. What's the head on collision speed if one drifts over the line?
Former libertarian here! Have you ever heard of voting third party?
Voting third party is essentially subtracting a vote from your preferred major party. People who vote third party and then complain incessantly about a major party make no sense to me. If you wanted a republican president/senate/house/whatever, you should have voted republican. (And the equivalent for democratic.)
I would love to see this thread get locked over where it's headed, but we damn well know it will resurface in another board topic.
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 04:28:42 PM
I declare today's round won by the trolly with 10:0 score by diverting discussion into politics.
Trolly gets 2 carrots and a cake.
Wonder what would happen if there was a forum wide election on banning MMM from this forum. How would that election go? And the more politics get brought up the more likely this shit is to get locked. And maybe that's a good thing.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
OK, if you don't want to vote, that's fine. I'm not hating on you for that. But don't complain about actions of politicians if you couldn't even bother to show up to vote them out.
And just to add to previous comments: I consider myself libertarian, but why would I bother voting for some random 3rd party that there's a 100% chance they will lose, when even voting for the 2 main candidates likely won't change the result?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars!
The total force involved in the collision, perhaps, but not for each car involved.
If a car slams into a granite wall at 80 mph, it is stopped immediately in its tracks. If two cars of equal size and mass collide head-on, each vehicle is stopped immediately in its tracks. Each vehicle experiences the same force either way.
Or, to think about it in a different way, if a car is traveling at 80 mph and is hit head-on with a force of 160 mph, it would then travel
backward at 80 mph. This is obviously not what happens in a head-on collision.
I understand this, and I've never even taken a single physics class in my life.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
OK, if you don't want to vote, that's fine. I'm not hating on you for that. But don't complain about actions of politicians if you couldn't even bother to show up to vote them out.
And just to add to previous comments: I consider myself libertarian, but why would I bother voting for some random 3rd party that there's a 100% chance they will lose, when even voting for the 2 main candidates likely won't change the result?
You don't have a job. Just drag your ass to the polls on the first Tuesday in November and spend very little time (since NY has low voter turnout) making your voice heard. What else are you doing instead, trolling this forum more?
No. Not happening. Besides there's a higher risk of me getting a cold/covid from all the people touching the same areas. No one hears voter's voices LMAO. Even most politicians don't end up giving a crap about the people who voted them in. Why should I bother voting for a 3rd party when both major candidates have tens of millions of votes, and the 2rd party person may get 10,000?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
OK, if you don't want to vote, that's fine. I'm not hating on you for that. But don't complain about actions of politicians if you couldn't even bother to show up to vote them out.
And just to add to previous comments: I consider myself libertarian, but why would I bother voting for some random 3rd party that there's a 100% chance they will lose, when even voting for the 2 main candidates likely won't change the result?
Some girl named Krista said because I didn’t vote for Mitt Romney I was casting a ballot for Obama as I voted neither in the 2012 election.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 04:28:42 PM
I declare today's round won by the trolly with 10:0 score by diverting discussion into politics.
Trolly gets 2 carrots and a cake.
Wonder what would happen if there was a forum wide election on banning MMM from this forum. How would that election go? And the more politics get brought up the more likely this shit is to get locked. And maybe that's a good thing.
Think about it in such a way - people don't like my little trolly, but rush to feed him once they get a chance - including political topics everyone pretends are undesired.
Calling for a vote would be fun as there will be a mob rushing to prove how much they dislike poor lil'trolly.
I would rate this trolly as 8.5/10, the slimest I saw for a while!
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
OK, if you don't want to vote, that's fine. I'm not hating on you for that. But don't complain about actions of politicians if you couldn't even bother to show up to vote them out.
And just to add to previous comments: I consider myself libertarian, but why would I bother voting for some random 3rd party that there's a 100% chance they will lose, when even voting for the 2 main candidates likely won't change the result?
Some girl named Krista said because I didn't vote for Mitt Romney I was casting a ballot for Obama as I voted neither in the 2012 election.
Who the hell is Krista?
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:38:13 PM
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
Honestly yes. So much entertainment, makes us all feel better about ourselves.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:38:04 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
OK, if you don't want to vote, that's fine. I'm not hating on you for that. But don't complain about actions of politicians if you couldn't even bother to show up to vote them out.
And just to add to previous comments: I consider myself libertarian, but why would I bother voting for some random 3rd party that there's a 100% chance they will lose, when even voting for the 2 main candidates likely won't change the result?
Some girl named Krista said because I didn't vote for Mitt Romney I was casting a ballot for Obama as I voted neither in the 2012 election.
Who the hell is Krista?
Some girl who tried to get me to vote her way when Mitt ran years ago. She obviously feels like tfspc feels ^^^^^
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 04:28:42 PM
I declare today's round won by the trolly with 10:0 score by diverting discussion into politics.
Trolly gets 2 carrots and a cake.
Wonder what would happen if there was a forum wide election on banning MMM from this forum. How would that election go? And the more politics get brought up the more likely this shit is to get locked. And maybe that's a good thing.
Think about it in such a way - people don't like my little trolly, but rush to feed him once they get a chance - including political topics everyone pretends are undesired.
Calling for a vote would be fun as there will be a mob rushing to prove how much they dislike poor lil'trolly.
I would rate this trolly as 8.5/10, the slimest I saw for a while!
I
support a ban via WP:CIR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CIR) and WP:NOTHERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTHERE). The standard offer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:STANDARD) applies.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:38:13 PM
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
He definitely attracts a lot of clowns!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:34:46 PM
No. Not happening. Besides there's a higher risk of me getting a cold/covid from all the people touching the same areas.
According to the CDC: "It is possible for people to be infected through contact with contaminated surfaces or objects (fomites),
but the risk is generally considered to be low."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:34:46 PM
No one hears voter's voices LMAO.
Were you really laughing so hard you thought your ass might fall off? Why?
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:38:13 PM
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
He definitely attracts a lot of clowns!
Attracts clowns? He is the clown! Makes P13 look like a genius.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:38:13 PM
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
He definitely attracts a lot of clowns!
Attracts clowns? He is the clown! Makes P13 look like a genius.
Nope. Trolly is not a clown, those who feed him are!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:38:13 PM
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
Honestly yes. So much entertainment, makes us all feel better about ourselves.
I will say MMM is amazing. Never met anyone like him before. He would sure amuse the late Sam Ripley.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 01:16:40 PM
US 93 is a 2 lane road, it definitely needs to become an interstate so there's no risk of having a head on collision at 160 mph.
A head on collision with what?
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 04:38:13 PM
I think MMM proves entertaining so many would vote to retain him.
Honestly yes. So much entertainment, makes us all feel better about ourselves.
I will say MMM is amazing. Never met anyone like him before. He would sure amuse the late Sam Ripley.
He manages to tow the line enough so he doesn't get banned. Most others like him fuck up quickly and get banned.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
MMM what you need to learn about politics is that voting is often choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And it's sometimes important to get the lesser evil in over the greater evil.
Not my responsibility, there could be a major thing about both candidates I don't like, so I am not going to have that on my conscience. Too bad, not my problem. Most issues being voted on at the moment don't affect me anyway. I have never seen even a semi-reasonable candidate in a primary. Even for NY Governor, it would be extremely hard to determine which of them was less of the two evils.
@Hobart, what a ridiculous comment! The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars! And it's much easier to avoid workers (there aren't any in half of the construction zones in NY/NJ) that are 2-3 lanes away on the shoulder than a car that's barely 1 lane away traveling toward you. The closing speed of 160 mph makes it even harder to see the car flying up on you whereas passing the workers at 80 you can see them faster, and they aren't in the road. There is no reason whatsoever for that 45 mph speed limit section on the Jersey Turnpike. Drivers driving hundreds of miles on US 93 are more likely to get bored/drowsy, stop paying attention and drift on roads like that, so it's not unheard of for there to be head on crashes on long undivided roads like that.
Take the first car, moving at 80 miles an hour in a direction. The second car is moving 80 miles an hour in the other direction. If you have any iota of understanding of what a reference frame is, and you take the speed of the second car in reference to the first car, the second car is effectively moving 160 miles an hour towards the first car.
You asked for speed, not force. Don't you dare get snippy with me when you change the goalposts. The least you can do is allow me to fail on my own merits, rather than due to your incompetencies.
However, upon some research (using Google to find an answer to the question you asked, which you should try by the way), hitting a car going in the opposite direction has the same effect as hitting a stationary object! The force you experience is not the sum of two cars!
You don't even know the correct answer to the rhetorical question you failed to ask correctly!
Running into another car on a long, undivided road, is a skill issue. It happens on any highway, including those with significantly more traffic than US 93. I don't see you saying Illinois Route 49 needs to be four-laned, but it has a higher AADT (540 for US-93 by Pony Springs, 640 at the Jasper County line for Illinois 49). I'm serious, if you look at the Illinois AADT map (https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Maps-&-Charts/2021%20Statewide%20AADT%20Primary%20Systems-Statewide.pdf), there are dozens of two-lane roads in Illinois with higher AADT counts than US 93 in Nevada according to that Nevada's TRINA system (https://ndot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=278339b4605e4dda8da9bddd2fd9f1e9). You propose NOTHING for Illinois roads! What makes US-93 so special? Illinois is just as boring, and busier!
You either care only for people from Nevada, or genuinely have not a single clue of what you're talking about! I think we all know which is true here!
In regards to voting, it is your duty to vote as an American citizen. I'd honestly be in favor of making it compulsory.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:34:46 PM
No. Not happening. Besides there's a higher risk of me getting a cold/covid from all the people touching the same areas. No one hears voter's voices LMAO. Even most politicians don't end up giving a crap about the people who voted them in. Why should I bother voting for a 3rd party when both major candidates have tens of millions of votes, and the 2rd party person may get 10,000?
Third parties also had a significant effect on the 2020 election; the only reason Biden won Wisconsin (and the election) was because the 1.1% of people who voted Libertarian voted that way, instead of voting for Donald Trumpet (made a typo, thought it was funny, kept it).
Also, what's more important, voting for one of the people you think will win, or voting for a candidate that you truly believe in? I know what I value more!
P.S. There's a button called quote on the top right of everyone's replies. There's also a thread in one of the welcome or questions boards or something on how to use it. This isn't Discord!
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:34:46 PM
No. Not happening. Besides there's a higher risk of me getting a cold/covid from all the people touching the same areas.
According to the CDC: "It is possible for people to be infected through contact with contaminated surfaces or objects (fomites), but the risk is generally considered to be low."
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 04:34:46 PM
No one hears voter's voices LMAO.
Were you really laughing so hard you thought your ass might fall off? Why?
I once worked with a guy who would use "LMAO" as though it was an actual word when he was speaking. I bet MMM is the kind of dude who used "LMAO" in a sentence.
1. Voting should never be compulsory, what if both candidates have something against my conscience? If that or a draft ever happened, I am flooring it up I-87 to Canada.
2. Me not voting for candidate X does not have any less of an effect than voting for Y instead of X, when Y isn't even the opposing candidate. My not voting Libertarian doesn't change Biden's chance of winning at all, anymore than just not voting for Biden.
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
4. Voting for someone you truly believe in doesn't change the numbers. The electoral college doesn't give a rat's ass. I'm not going to cast a vote that will make no difference, just for warm fluffy feelings. And for the 3rd time, if there is a major issue that both candidates are taking a position ok that I am strongly against, I am not going to vote for either.
5. MMM isn't a word either.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
1. Voting should never be compulsory, what if both candidates have something against my conscience? If that or a draft ever happened, I am flooring it up I-87 to Canada.
2. Me not voting for candidate X does not have any less of an effect than voting for Y instead of X, when Y isn't even the opposing candidate. My not voting Libertarian doesn't change Biden's chance of winning at all, anymore than just not voting for Biden.
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
4. Voting for someone you truly believe in doesn't change the numbers. The electoral college doesn't give a rat's ass. I'm not going to cast a vote that will make no difference, just for warm fluffy feelings. And for the 3rd time, if there is a major issue that both candidates are taking a position ok that I am strongly against, I am not going to vote for either.
5. MMM isn't a word either.
1. You could blank your ballot
4. There are other elections other than just President
5. Who wants to type out MultiMillionMiler out over and over again?
You didn't vote, and you got George Santos as your representative.
Speaking of voting, my vote to eject MMM stands. He's pretty sus.
Quote from: 1 on March 01, 2023, 05:07:42 PM
You didn't vote, and you got George Santos as your representative.
Speaking of voting, my vote to eject MMM stands. He's pretty sus.
And how do we know that MMM is not George Santos himself?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
5. MMM isn't a word either.
Would you like to be referred to as a Troll?
Why would I go through the trouble to blank my ballet?
Also they tend to hold polling at elementary schools, which increases the chances of getting sick. I don't need to be in the Hospital again from covid.
:pan:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Why would I go through the trouble to blank my ballet?
Also they tend to hold polling at elementary schools, which increases the chances of getting sick. I don't need to be in the Hospital again from covid.
Wear an N95 mask or send in a mail in ballot. Or just say that you are worried about catching covid and don't want to go out and we would all be a lot more understanding.
But there's no point anyway. I hate most political candidates. It is not my civic duty. And making it mandatory would be the definition of Fascism. People already complain saying shit like "oh well you got what you voted for", well the new response would be "I didn't want to vote for either but was forced to pick one".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
5. MMM isn't a word either.
You clearly didn't pay attention to the YouTube Poop era:
And this was the best Mmm YouTube Poop cut:
Although, some liked Mmmortal Morshu:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:13:43 PM
But there's no point anyway. I hate most political candidates. It is not my civic duty. And making it mandatory would be the definition of Fascism. People already complain saying shit like "oh well you got what you voted for", well the new response would be "I didn't want to vote for either but was forced to pick one".
Australia has mandatory voting. Is Australia fascist?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
1. Voting should never be compulsory, what if both candidates have something against my conscience? If that or a draft ever happened, I am flooring it up I-87 to Canada.
2. Me not voting for candidate X does not have any less of an effect than voting for Y instead of X, when Y isn't even the opposing candidate. My not voting Libertarian doesn't change Biden's chance of winning at all, anymore than just not voting for Biden.
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
4. Voting for someone you truly believe in doesn't change the numbers. The electoral college doesn't give a rat's ass. I'm not going to cast a vote that will make no difference, just for warm fluffy feelings. And for the 3rd time, if there is a major issue that both candidates are taking a position ok that I am strongly against, I am not going to vote for either.
5. MMM isn't a word either.
You do know that there are a significant amount of other offices on those ballots, right? You vote for everything from president, to mayor, to senator, to water commissioner. You vote how your government runs, maybe you can vote for somebody who wants to increase speed limits! Stop complaining about how people select speed limits if you don't even vote for the people who do!
MMM actually has a dictionary definition for something completely unrelated to you. However, it is an acronym referring to name, like the FBI. You know what it means. "Lmao" is different; it's all common nouns and informal slang. If you really want me to bust out the abbreviations, imma start using double and triple contractions like hadn't've and I'dn't've.
Use case: "I'dn't've spent this long trolling on a roads forum because I have better things to do!"
And yes, absentee and mail in ballots are a thing. You don't even need to leave your house, you just need to put it in a mailbox.
Everyone calls everyone else a fascist nowadays. It's almost as popular as calling people racist.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Why would I go through the trouble to blank my ballet?
Also they tend to hold polling at elementary schools, which increases the chances of getting sick. I don't need to be in the Hospital again from covid.
You have a lot in common with Nancy Pelosi. Both believe that Covid spreads in voting booths. That was her rationale for pushing mail in ballots against Trumps chagrin. That is why Biden won with record votes of 80 million because of the crazy chick's brilliant idea to push paper.
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
1. Voting should never be compulsory, what if both candidates have something against my conscience? If that or a draft ever happened, I am flooring it up I-87 to Canada.
2. Me not voting for candidate X does not have any less of an effect than voting for Y instead of X, when Y isn't even the opposing candidate. My not voting Libertarian doesn't change Biden's chance of winning at all, anymore than just not voting for Biden.
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
4. Voting for someone you truly believe in doesn't change the numbers. The electoral college doesn't give a rat's ass. I'm not going to cast a vote that will make no difference, just for warm fluffy feelings. And for the 3rd time, if there is a major issue that both candidates are taking a position ok that I am strongly against, I am not going to vote for either.
5. MMM isn't a word either.
You do know that there are a significant amount of other offices on those ballots, right? You vote for everything from president, to mayor, to senator, to water commissioner. You vote how your government runs, maybe you can vote for somebody who wants to increase speed limits! Stop complaining about how people select speed limits if you don't even vote for the people who do!
MMM actually has a dictionary definition for something completely unrelated to you. However, it is an acronym referring to name, like the FBI. You know what it means. "Lmao" is different; it's all common nouns and informal slang. If you really want me to bust out the abbreviations, imma start using double and triple contractions like hadn't've and I'dn't've.
Use case: "I'dn't've spent this long trolling on a roads forum because I have better things to do!"
And yes, absentee and mail in ballots are a thing. You don't even need to leave your house, you just need to put it in a mailbox.
1. There are no candidates that have supported raising speed limit in NY, none.
2. All of those subdepartments are the same shit. I could care less and they don't affect me.
3. Australia has other things I don't like, but yes, mandatory voting is wrong. If that ever came to be, since Me and my dad have similar views on this, we would simply both vote for the opposite candidate, guaranteeing a 0 net effect on the outcome. If every single voter makes such a difference, I would rather them use that energy to mandate universal organ donation, something that can actually help people, should not have an opt-out option, and far too few people do.
Wow no fast rebuttals. I think we've reached our limit.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
1. Voting should never be compulsory, what if both candidates have something against my conscience? If that or a draft ever happened, I am flooring it up I-87 to Canada.
2. Me not voting for candidate X does not have any less of an effect than voting for Y instead of X, when Y isn't even the opposing candidate. My not voting Libertarian doesn't change Biden's chance of winning at all, anymore than just not voting for Biden.
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
4. Voting for someone you truly believe in doesn't change the numbers. The electoral college doesn't give a rat's ass. I'm not going to cast a vote that will make no difference, just for warm fluffy feelings. And for the 3rd time, if there is a major issue that both candidates are taking a position ok that I am strongly against, I am not going to vote for either.
5. MMM isn't a word either.
You do know that there are a significant amount of other offices on those ballots, right? You vote for everything from president, to mayor, to senator, to water commissioner. You vote how your government runs, maybe you can vote for somebody who wants to increase speed limits! Stop complaining about how people select speed limits if you don't even vote for the people who do!
MMM actually has a dictionary definition for something completely unrelated to you. However, it is an acronym referring to name, like the FBI. You know what it means. "Lmao" is different; it's all common nouns and informal slang. If you really want me to bust out the abbreviations, imma start using double and triple contractions like hadn't've and I'dn't've.
Use case: "I'dn't've spent this long trolling on a roads forum because I have better things to do!"
And yes, absentee and mail in ballots are a thing. You don't even need to leave your house, you just need to put it in a mailbox.
1. There are no candidates that have supported raising speed limit in NY, none.
2. All of those subdepartments are the same shit. I could care less and they don't affect me.
3. Australia has other things I don't like, but yes, mandatory voting is wrong. If that ever came to be, since Me and my dad have similar views on this, we would simply both vote for the opposite candidate, guaranteeing a 0 net effect on the outcome. If every single voter makes such a difference, I would rather them use that energy to mandate universal organ donation, something that can actually help people, should not have an opt-out option, and far too few people do.
Raising NY speed limits aren't a huge political issue that matters to people. Several legislators, mostly from upstate I believe, have introduced bills to raise speed limits, but none have passed obviously.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2023, 05:25:02 PM
Wow no fast rebuttals. I think we've reached our limit.
He had to leave his basement. Mom just made some Hot Pockets for dinner.
Quote from: Hobart on February 28, 2023, 11:39:19 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 28, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
I-13 will need to extend down to Vegas. A 6 lane elevated expressway over the Vegas strip needs to be built to help relieve some minor traffic congestion in Clark County.
Edit: I didn't get any threads banished to the fictional realm, my posts focused on speed limits.
This is bad, even for you. I-15, a ten lane freeway, is 1,000 feet away. I-215, a beltway, is about 8 miles away. Moments like these make me wonder if you're trolling, or if you're just really dense.
Oh, I'm not wondering any more.
I live on the top floor. Honestly, I wish I were closer to the ground because sometimes during thunderstorms I worry about getting hit by lightning through the window or something due to being higher up, and with the layout of my bedroom, my bed has to be near the window.
In fact, on elevated highways, there should be very tall lightning rods every couple of miles so that drivers are not at risk of being hit due to being the tallest object if there arent taller buildings nearby. I don't know if the Faraday cage design of a car helps if you are touching the steering wheel/pedals.
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 05:15:47 PM
Everyone calls everyone else a fascist nowadays. It's almost as popular as calling people racist.
You're a fascists racist!!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 01, 2023, 05:07:42 PM
You didn't vote, and you got George Santos as your representative.
Speaking of voting, my vote to eject MMM stands. He's pretty sus.
And how do we know that MMM is not George Santos himself?
We don't actually know, but even a fake congresscritter has a lot of duties that probably wouldn't leave him a lot of time to troll AARoads.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
Wouldn't there have to be oncoming traffic to collide with for that to happen?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 05:08:44 PM
And how do we know that MMM is not George Santos himself?
Because he's Wesley Crusher, obviously.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2023, 06:31:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
Wouldn't there have to be oncoming traffic to collide with for that to happen?
And there is, obviously, or they would have only built the road in one direction.
Because I can't find that anyone ever resolved the physics problem...
If I remember this right (it's been a while, and the type of physics I use these days is way more advanced :P) two cars going the same speed in opposite directions that collide and both come to a complete stop will only experience the same force if they have the same mass. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. In a collision, both cars will rapidly decelerate to zero very quickly (say, in a second). Assuming they take the same amount of time to stop after the collision, their accelerations are the same, but the forces exerted to get them to stop will only be equal if their masses are equal.
In other words, if your car is heavier, it has more momentum, and as a result it takes more force to stop it.
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2023, 06:31:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
Wouldn't there have to be oncoming traffic to collide with for that to happen?
And there is, obviously, or they would have only built the road in one direction.
There is so little though that any driver with even a little bit of driving knowledge should be able to avoid oncoming driver.
I mean, even with the best driving, sometimes there is literally nothing you can do, such as was the case with my non-injury collision in December 2018, where a driver cut me off to turn into, I think, Burger King here. Damage for me was the right side of the front bumper, and for him was the right side of his car since I T-boned him. I slammed on my brakes and laid on the horn, but the car we had had no ABS, so the wheels locked, and at the time, we had our studded snow tires on.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2023, 06:31:24 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3.@Scott, a collision with oncoming traffic.
Wouldn't there have to be oncoming traffic to collide with for that to happen?
And there is, obviously, or they would have only built the road in one direction.
Nope, sorry, that's wrong.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Why would I go through the trouble to blank my ballet?
How, exactly, does one blank his ballet?
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Yeah, the entire collision had a combined speed of 100 mph, I suppose (someone with more physics knowledge, please confirm or deny). But there were two cars involved. Each one felt half the force, i.e. 50 mph (assuming they were both going 50 mph and had equal size and mass).
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Why would I go through the trouble to blank my ballet?
How, exactly, does one blank his ballet?
Get on stage and forget the dance, I imagine.
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:45:22 PM
I mean, even with the best driving, sometimes there is literally nothing you can do, such as was the case with my non-injury collision in December 2018, where a driver cut me off to turn into, I think, Burger King here. Damage for me was the right side of the front bumper, and for him was the right side of his car since I T-boned him. I slammed on my brakes and laid on the horn, but the car we had had no ABS, so the wheels locked, and at the time, we had our studded snow tires on.
Were you driving on US 93 in Nevada? I'm talking about that road in particular.
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Why would I go through the trouble to blank my ballet?
How, exactly, does one blank his ballet?
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Yeah, the entire collision had a combined speed of 100 mph, I suppose (someone with more physics knowledge, please confirm or deny). But there were two cars involved. Each one felt half the force, i.e. 50 mph (assuming they were both going 50 mph and had equal size and mass).
Now imagine that oncoming car is a loaded 18-wheeler tandem
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3. Australia has other things I don't like, but yes, mandatory voting is wrong. If that ever came to be, since Me and my dad have similar views on this, we would simply both vote for the opposite candidate, guaranteeing a 0 net effect on the outcome. If every single voter makes such a difference, I would rather them use that energy to mandate universal organ donation, something that can actually help people, should not have an opt-out option, and far too few people do.
This is rather naive. Australia has multiple political parties, rather than two. You would need to get large groups of people to collectively vote once for each candidate... and even then, you're affecting any other candidates who are being written in, so you're voting anyways.
Also, laws are passed by Congress, including any form of organ donation acts. Guess who you vote for? Congresspeople! You'd need to vote for people to get any of your ideas in office, but you don't like voting. Therefore, don't have any ideas, because they won't be implemented if you refuse to vote for people who support them!
Making organ donation mandatory with no opt-out options at all could also be unconstitutional; if it is not allowed under a minor religion, and those people are not allowed to opt out of it, you're violating the first amendment and their rights to follow such religion.
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3. Australia has other things I don't like, but yes, mandatory voting is wrong. If that ever came to be, since Me and my dad have similar views on this, we would simply both vote for the opposite candidate, guaranteeing a 0 net effect on the outcome. If every single voter makes such a difference, I would rather them use that energy to mandate universal organ donation, something that can actually help people, should not have an opt-out option, and far too few people do.
This is rather naive. Australia has multiple political parties, rather than two. You would need to get large groups of people to collectively vote once for each candidate... and even then, you're affecting any other candidates who are being written in, so you're voting anyways.
Also, laws are passed by Congress, including any form of organ donation acts. Guess who you vote for? Congresspeople! You'd need to vote for people to get any of your ideas in office, but you don't like voting. Therefore, don't have any ideas, because they won't be implemented if you refuse to vote for people who support them!
Making organ donation mandatory with no opt-out options at all could also be unconstitutional; if it is not allowed under a minor religion, and those people are not allowed to opt out of it, you're violating the first amendment and their rights to follow such religion.
I do agree that it should be opt-out instead of opt-in.
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Also, laws are passed by Congress, including any form of organ donation acts. Guess who you vote for? Congresspeople! You'd need to vote for people to get any of your ideas in office, but you don't like voting. Therefore, don't have any ideas, because they won't be implemented if you refuse to vote for people who support them!
Yep, politicians see policy proposals through the lens of "How will this affect my election?" If they know you aren't going to vote for them, they don't really care what your opinion is.
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3. Australia has other things I don't like, but yes, mandatory voting is wrong. If that ever came to be, since Me and my dad have similar views on this, we would simply both vote for the opposite candidate, guaranteeing a 0 net effect on the outcome. If every single voter makes such a difference, I would rather them use that energy to mandate universal organ donation, something that can actually help people, should not have an opt-out option, and far too few people do.
This is rather naive. Australia has multiple political parties, rather than two. You would need to get large groups of people to collectively vote once for each candidate... and even then, you're affecting any other candidates who are being written in, so you're voting anyways.
Also, laws are passed by Congress, including any form of organ donation acts. Guess who you vote for? Congresspeople! You'd need to vote for people to get any of your ideas in office, but you don't like voting. Therefore, don't have any ideas, because they won't be implemented if you refuse to vote for people who support them!
Making organ donation mandatory with no opt-out options at all could also be unconstitutional; if it is not allowed under a minor religion, and those people are not allowed to opt out of it, you're violating the first amendment and their rights to follow such religion.
The rights of the living people who need them are more important. The needs of actual living people should be prioritized over what people who have passed away
would have wanted. It no longer affects them in any way. But at the bare minimum, it should be opt out instead of opt-in.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: Hobart on March 01, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 01, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
3. Australia has other things I don't like, but yes, mandatory voting is wrong. If that ever came to be, since Me and my dad have similar views on this, we would simply both vote for the opposite candidate, guaranteeing a 0 net effect on the outcome. If every single voter makes such a difference, I would rather them use that energy to mandate universal organ donation, something that can actually help people, should not have an opt-out option, and far too few people do.
This is rather naive. Australia has multiple political parties, rather than two. You would need to get large groups of people to collectively vote once for each candidate... and even then, you're affecting any other candidates who are being written in, so you're voting anyways.
Also, laws are passed by Congress, including any form of organ donation acts. Guess who you vote for? Congresspeople! You'd need to vote for people to get any of your ideas in office, but you don't like voting. Therefore, don't have any ideas, because they won't be implemented if you refuse to vote for people who support them!
Making organ donation mandatory with no opt-out options at all could also be unconstitutional; if it is not allowed under a minor religion, and those people are not allowed to opt out of it, you're violating the first amendment and their rights to follow such religion.
The rights of the living people who need them are more important. The needs of actual living people should be prioritized over what people who have passed away would have wanted. It no longer affects them in any way. But at the bare minimum, it should be opt out instead of opt-in.
You know, you have a point. Still would violate the 1st amendment however.
QuoteM3 has posted so much crap that I (thankfully, or maybe regrettably) missed that one.
Isn't "MMM" easier to type than "M cubed"? It's funny enough that people use acronyms for everything but seriously now even 3 letters is too much to type LOL
M3 takes 13 characters to type. We’re too lazy for that.
I can do M³ in four keystrokes. (Shift+M, then Compose, ^, 3)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 07:18:05 PMWere you driving on US 93 in Nevada? I'm talking about that road in particular.
Not a state I've been to yet, so no. LOL I didn't realize you were talking about a particular highway.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 01, 2023, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
If that decision could be moving this thread, that would be GREAT. :cheers:
I think it's another decision. That might be even more GREAT!
I disagree. Getting this thread to fictional is much more important to the forum
right now than any sort of decision about MMM's status.
This thread was started on December 21st and already has 74 (default 25-post) pages.
Good thing this is the internet and not real life, because 68 days is way too long to be waiting for an air ambulance.
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Yeah, the entire collision had a combined speed of 100 mph, I suppose (someone with more physics knowledge, please confirm or deny). But there were two cars involved. Each one felt half the force, i.e. 50 mph (assuming they were both going 50 mph and had equal size and mass).
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 07:18:12 PM
Now imagine that oncoming car is a loaded 18-wheeler tandem
The car would still experience less than 100 mph in the collision. More than 50 mph, certainly, but less than 100 mph.
If you want to get to 100 mph experienced by one of the parties, then you'd need something like a dragonfly hitting the front bumper of a turnpike double, and both going 50 mph head-on. The dragonfly would experience 100 mph, and the trucker would experience nothing.
Quote from: webny99 on March 02, 2023, 08:30:20 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 01, 2023, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
If that decision could be moving this thread, that would be GREAT. :cheers:
I think it's another decision. That might be even more GREAT!
I disagree. Getting this thread to fictional is much more important to the forum right now than any sort of decision about MMM's status.
It's not a big deal where this shit is, at least for registered members.
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:29:14 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
He got banned really quickly for threatening the mods. MMM is a bit smarter than that.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:30:21 AM
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This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
He got banned really quickly for threatening the mods. MMM is a bit smarter than that.
MMM is definitely pushing the boundaries of many people's nerves, though.
Again, I've never taken a single physics class, never opened a physics textbook in my life. If I'm misunderstanding things, then please let me know.
But, considering nobody who actually understands physics has contradicted my assertion, then I'll assume I understand this concept enough to discredit MultiDozenMiler's claim that "The force you experience is the sum of the 2 cars".
And if that's true–that someone with near-zero physics knowledge understands more about such a simple thing than MultiDozenMiler–then you'd
really better not let him tell you what much more complicated theories and principles of physics are legitimate and which ones are scams.
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
He got banned really quickly for threatening the mods. MMM is a bit smarter than that.
MMM is definitely pushing the boundaries of many people's nerves, though.
But he actually hasn't explicitly broken any forum rules. Pissing us off isn't technically against the forum rules.
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
He got banned really quickly for threatening the mods. MMM is a bit smarter than that.
MMM is definitely pushing the boundaries of many people's nerves, though.
But he actually hasn't explicitly broken any forum rules. Pissing us off isn't technically against the forum rules.
If we were on Wikipedia, there would definitely be consensus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus) for a CBAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Community_bans_and_restrictions), though.
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
He got banned really quickly for threatening the mods. MMM is a bit smarter than that.
MMM is definitely pushing the boundaries of many people's nerves, though.
But he actually hasn't explicitly broken any forum rules. Pissing us off isn't technically against the forum rules.
If we were on Wikipedia, there would definitely be consensus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus) for a CBAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Community_bans_and_restrictions), though.
We might need to edit the forum rules...
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:37:25 AM
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
So did TheAlan360.
He got banned really quickly for threatening the mods. MMM is a bit smarter than that.
MMM is definitely pushing the boundaries of many people's nerves, though.
But he actually hasn't explicitly broken any forum rules. Pissing us off isn't technically against the forum rules.
If we were on Wikipedia, there would definitely be consensus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus) for a CBAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Community_bans_and_restrictions), though.
We might need to edit the forum rules...
I'm gonna see if one of the Scotts in the hyper secret cabal we're in can do so.
No, that should not be a forum rule.
Also, they could simply ban him for no good reason at all, just because they felt like it. It is, after all, their right to do so.
Arguing on the internet is like mud wrestling with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it.
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
No, that should not be a forum rule.
Also, they could simply ban him for no good reason at all, just because they felt like it. It is, after all, their right to do so.
See, I gotta hand it to AARoads forum mods: they have a sense of integrity. They don't ban members for no reason like many power hungry Reddit mods do.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
If that decision could be moving this thread, that would be GREAT. :cheers:
I think it's another decision. That might be even more GREAT!
I disagree. Getting this thread to fictional is much more important to the forum right now than any sort of decision about MMM's status.
It's not a big deal where this shit is, at least for registered members.
If that's how you describe the thread, that's proof that it belongs in a hidden board. There is no precedent for this type of thread in a non-fictional board.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
I would be comfortable with using this post as an indicator of intent in making a forum management decision. Just saying.
If that decision could be moving this thread, that would be GREAT. :cheers:
I think it's another decision. That might be even more GREAT!
I disagree. Getting this thread to fictional is much more important to the forum right now than any sort of decision about MMM's status.
It's not a big deal where this shit is, at least for registered members.
If that's how you describe the thread, that's proof that it belongs in a hidden board. There is no precedent for this type of thread in a non-fictional board.
Maybe's it's good to have the publically viewable. Helps teach new members and guests thinking of signing up how not to act one you join the forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Yeah, the entire collision had a combined speed of 100 mph, I suppose (someone with more physics knowledge, please confirm or deny). But there were two cars involved. Each one felt half the force, i.e. 50 mph (assuming they were both going 50 mph and had equal size and mass).
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 07:18:12 PM
Now imagine that oncoming car is a loaded 18-wheeler tandem
The car would still experience less than 100 mph in the collision. More than 50 mph, certainly, but less than 100 mph.
If you want to get to 100 mph experienced by one of the parties, then you'd need something like a dragonfly hitting the front bumper of a turnpike double, and both going 50 mph head-on. The dragonfly would experience 100 mph, and the trucker would experience nothing.
Even if each car feels only half of the force, whatever force they do feel is multiplied by a deceleration from 100, not 50. But I don't think that's correct anyway. Two cars hiring each other at 50 mph is the same as one car hitting another stationary car at 100 mph. But I do maintain that atomic clocks are a scam, and I'm not the only physics need who feels that way.
Care to find someone else who agrees with you? Back up your sources. Put links in from other websites. Nobody believes or trusts you.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
Maybe's it's good to have the publically viewable. Helps teach new members and guests thinking of signing up how not to act one you join the forum.
No. Remember when kernals12 was used as an example of the entire forum on one YouTube video?
Quote from: 1 on March 02, 2023, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
Maybe's it's good to have the publically viewable. Helps teach new members and guests thinking of signing up how not to act one you join the forum.
No. Remember when kernals12 was used as an example of the entire forum on one YouTube video?
Yeah. I'm almost convinced that kernals12 is an urbanist plant created to make us look bad.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
I'm assuming one of those guys is Scott5114?
Fix your youtube tag. Use preview to make sure that the post works.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Two cars hitting each other at 50 mph is the same as one car hitting another stationary car at 100 mph.
Only because there are two cars involved. For
each car, it's the same as one car hitting a granite wall.
(And actually, not even, because a stationary car would absorb some of the impact, such that the driver would experience
less than 50 mph impact.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:58:30 AM
Why the fuck isn't it working, I posted the Javascript function exactly, even tried capital Y instead of lowercase???
Did you try calling customer service? 1-800-AAR-OADS
Javascript isn't enabled on this forum, and for good reason.
It was a live video. Therefore, the URL is no longer valid. :pan:
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
Same exact URL in from chrome worked, letter by letter. It's the youtube app that sucks. Literally the most glitchy app ever seen on a smartphone. The debuggers should be fired.
Don't try to use the youtube app to do this kind of stuff, use the website. Better yet use the website on a computer, that's even easier.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
Same exact URL in from chrome worked, letter by letter. It's the youtube app that sucks. Literally the most glitchy app ever seen on a smartphone. The debuggers should be fired.
I don't know why kphoger deleted most of his previous post, but it appears to be an unintuitive part of how BBCode works and not a bug at all.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 11:14:27 AM
Anyway, so is one of the guys in that video Scott5114?
No. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's SSOWorld.
Quote from: 1 on March 02, 2023, 11:12:33 AM
I don't know why kphoger deleted most of his previous post, but it appears to be an unintuitive part of how BBCode works and not a bug at all.
I deleted it because I realized posting a full YouTube URL between the tags still displays a video correctly. So the bulk of what I originally posted was incorrect information.
All of these formats correctly display a video on this site:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/TT89lJTAPms[/youtube]https://youtu.be/TT89lJTAPms[youtube]TT89lJTAPms[/youtube]But what MultiDozenMiler had posted was this:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/live/Le52HVJZy[/youtube]Note the "/live/" part. When I paste that URL into my browser, it returns a page that says "This video isn't available anymore".
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
This thread should be renamed to Alanland II, it already reached absurdity levels way beyond the original Alanland thread.
It's different because MMM actually is taking this all seriously.
Are you sure? I don't think he's taking it any more seriously than any other troll.
Can someone add a poll to this forum with the following 4 options:
1. MMM is one of the few users who brought stability and intelligence to this forum, lessening the need for "Don't let on how crazy we are" in the intro board
2. Intelligent Ideas, but presents them in a Trollish Manner
3. Master Troll, straddles the line of being banned but very hard to believe he is actually attempting to troll.
4. Terrible Troll, 2 out of 10 for effort, painfully obvious.
Now I dont think 2, 3, and 4 are accurate, I am basing these options on what other users have said in this thread. My money would be on at least 53% choosing option #1.
Edit: OK to be conservative my guess would be 47% would choose #1, 23% would choose #2, and an even split between the other two.
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Two cars hitting each other at 50 mph is the same as one car hitting another stationary car at 100 mph.
Only because there are two cars involved. For each car, it's the same as one car hitting a granite wall.
(And actually, not even, because a stationary car would absorb some of the impact, such that the driver would experience less than 50 mph impact.)
Nope. COM frame of reference would still be moving in ground frame of reference.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
Can someone add a poll to this forum with the following 4 options:
1. MMM is one of the few users who brought stability and intelligence to this forum
OK, right off the bat, you can make the poll yourself if you really want to (however, I don't recommend making a poll about yourself).
More importantly, there are more than a "few users" that have actually brought stability and intelligence to the forum, so the premise of the statement is flawed. But even setting that aside, you already know full well that no one thinks that about you, and everyone knows that the forum's stability is largely unchanged - or if anything, gotten slightly worse - since you've joined.
It was a figure of speech saying "few", I didn't mean to imply that most of the users are bad.
Quote from: webny99 on March 02, 2023, 12:07:20 PM
OK, right off the bat, you can make the poll yourself if you really want to (however, I don't recommend making a poll about yourself).
Max Rockatansky is the OP.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
Can someone add a poll to this forum with the following 4 options:
1. MMM is one of the few users who brought stability and intelligence to this forum, lessening the need for "Don't let on how crazy we are" in the intro board
2. Intelligent Ideas, but presents them in a Trollish Manner
3. Master Troll, straddles the line of being banned but very hard to believe he is actually attempting to troll.
4. Terrible Troll, 2 out of 10 for effort, painfully obvious.
Now I dont think 2, 3, and 4 are accurate, I am basing these options on what other users have said in this thread. My money would be on at least 53% choosing option #1.
Edit: OK to be conservative my guess would be 47% would choose #1, 23% would choose #2, and an even split between the other two.
47% voting 1 :-D :-D :-D maybe 4.7%!
Would the poll have actual consequences? For instance, if option 1 gets less than 45% of the vote, MMM goes away for at least a few months?
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 05:08:44 PM
And how do we know that MMM is not George Santos himself?
Because he's Wesley Crusher, obviously.
Wesley Crusher was annoying because he was too smart.
That's not what's going here.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2023, 06:32:04 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2023, 05:08:44 PM
And how do we know that MMM is not George Santos himself?
Because he's Wesley Crusher, obviously.
Wesley Crusher was annoying because he was too smart.
That's not what's going here.
Wesley was annoying because way too often the writers would have him save the ship. Like the Enterprise has no actual officers who know their jobs.
Looks like Max added a different type of polll :-D
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Yeah, the entire collision had a combined speed of 100 mph, I suppose (someone with more physics knowledge, please confirm or deny). But there were two cars involved. Each one felt half the force, i.e. 50 mph (assuming they were both going 50 mph and had equal size and mass).
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 07:18:12 PM
Now imagine that oncoming car is a loaded 18-wheeler tandem
The car would still experience less than 100 mph in the collision. More than 50 mph, certainly, but less than 100 mph.
If you want to get to 100 mph experienced by one of the parties, then you'd need something like a dragonfly hitting the front bumper of a turnpike double, and both going 50 mph head-on. The dragonfly would experience 100 mph, and the trucker would experience nothing.
Even if each car feels only half of the force, whatever force they do feel is multiplied by a deceleration from 100, not 50. But I don't think that's correct anyway. Two cars hitting each other at 50 mph is the same as one car hitting another stationary car at 100 mph. But I do maintain that atomic clocks are a scam, and I'm not the only physics need who feels that way.
Ever watch Mythbusters? They did it, and proved it by...
1) smashing a car against a wall at 50 MPH
2) smashing a car against a wall at 100 MPH
3) smashing two cars head-on, each going 50 MPH
The cars in 1 and 3 looked exactly the same, whereas the one in 2 would be so beyond a survivable event for even rear-seat passengers (they used the same year Hyundai Elantra for all four destroyed cars)
I'd link Youtube but any I found were pulled due to Discovery asking them to be pulled.
It was good, because it didn't demonstrate with math, it demonstrated with physical results. Even a doubting Thomas like you would probably be convinced.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 01:57:23 PM
Looks like Max added a different type of polll :-D
I voted Morshu
And when M
3 bites the dust here, my reaction...
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 02, 2023, 01:57:23 PM
Looks like Max added a different type of polll :-D
I voted Morshu
And when M3 bites the dust here, my reaction...
I'm sorry Wesley Crusher, I can't give credit. Come back when you're a little...MMM...richer!
I voted Peewee Herman, because that's the only person in the poll I've ever heard of. Therefore, it's the only person I'm confident exists in reality. And I'm pretty sure MMM exists in reality. (Don't read that the wrong way...)
I never heard of Morshu and haven't seen enough to PeeWee Herman to vote for him, so I voted Wesley.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 02, 2023, 01:59:36 PM
It was good, because it didn't demonstrate with math, it demonstrated with physical results. Even a doubting Thomas like you would probably be convinced.
In the universe according to MMM, physical reality is a scam.
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 02, 2023, 01:59:36 PM
It was good, because it didn't demonstrate with math, it demonstrated with physical results. Even a doubting Thomas like you would probably be convinced.
In the universe according to MMM, physical reality is a scam.
MMM probably thinks that the government created the video as propoganda.
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 02:12:47 PM
I voted Peewee Herman, because that's the only person in the poll I've ever heard of. Therefore, it's the only person I'm confident exists in reality. And I'm pretty sure MMM exists in reality. (Don't read that the wrong way...)
Peewee Herman ... Movie Theaters
MMM ... ST:TNG
You may be on to something.
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 02:12:47 PM
I voted Peewee Herman, because that's the only person in the poll I've ever heard of. Therefore, it's the only person I'm confident exists in reality. And I'm pretty sure MMM exists in reality. (Don't read that the wrong way...)
I say he is in The Twilight Zone.
Quote from: 1 on March 02, 2023, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 02, 2023, 12:07:20 PM
OK, right off the bat, you can make the poll yourself if you really want to (however, I don't recommend making a poll about yourself).
Max Rockatansky is the OP.
Whatever is going on in this thread is irrelevant. MMM asked if someone could add a poll to the forum, which anyone can do anytime they want.
Quote from: webny99 on March 02, 2023, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 02, 2023, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 02, 2023, 12:07:20 PM
OK, right off the bat, you can make the poll yourself if you really want to (however, I don't recommend making a poll about yourself).
Max Rockatansky is the OP.
Whatever is going on in this thread is irrelevant. MMM asked if someone could add a poll to the forum, which anyone can do anytime they want.
I could make a poll...
Just make sure none of them can be construed as "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member".
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
Just make sure none of them can be construed as "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member".
MMM himself requested it so he shouldn't mind. MMM can comfirm this.
You are SO good at trolling!
I guess the best "trolls" are the people who are genuinely trying to help.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 02, 2023, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Amaury on March 01, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
I don't know much about physics myself, but the wording I've often seen used in news articles when referring to head-on collisions is something along the lines of "two vehicles crashed into each other at a combined speed of 100 MPH." (100 MPH being an example combined speed.)
Quote from: kphoger on March 01, 2023, 06:56:38 PM
Yeah, the entire collision had a combined speed of 100 mph, I suppose (someone with more physics knowledge, please confirm or deny). But there were two cars involved. Each one felt half the force, i.e. 50 mph (assuming they were both going 50 mph and had equal size and mass).
Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2023, 07:18:12 PM
Now imagine that oncoming car is a loaded 18-wheeler tandem
The car would still experience less than 100 mph in the collision. More than 50 mph, certainly, but less than 100 mph.
If you want to get to 100 mph experienced by one of the parties, then you'd need something like a dragonfly hitting the front bumper of a turnpike double, and both going 50 mph head-on. The dragonfly would experience 100 mph, and the trucker would experience nothing.
Even if each car feels only half of the force, whatever force they do feel is multiplied by a deceleration from 100, not 50. But I don't think that's correct anyway. Two cars hitting each other at 50 mph is the same as one car hitting another stationary car at 100 mph. But I do maintain that atomic clocks are a scam, and I'm not the only physics need who feels that way.
Ever watch Mythbusters? They did it, and proved it by...
1) smashing a car against a wall at 50 MPH
2) smashing a car against a wall at 100 MPH
3) smashing two cars head-on, each going 50 MPH
The cars in 1 and 3 looked exactly the same, whereas the one in 2 would be so beyond a survivable event for even rear-seat passengers (they used the same year Hyundai Elantra for all four destroyed cars)
I'd link Youtube but any I found were pulled due to Discovery asking them to be pulled.
It was good, because it didn't demonstrate with math, it demonstrated with physical results. Even a doubting Thomas like you would probably be convinced.
They missed "elantra against 80 000 lb truck" though...
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 02, 2023, 04:06:34 AM
I can do M³ in four keystrokes. (Shift+M, then Compose, ^, 3)
I count five keystrokes.
Shift
M
Compose
^
3
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 03:53:46 PM
I guess the best "trolls" are the people who are genuinely trying to help.
You aren't helping anyone with anything
Quote from: kalvado on March 02, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
They missed "elantra against 80 000 lb truck" though...
What's your point? The impact to each vehicle would still be less than the combined speed of both vehicles. Again, if they were both going 50 mph, the Elantra would experience an impact equivalent to more than 50 mph, but it would be less than 100 mph.
I have no idea who any of these people in the poll are, but I voted for George Santos because that name has been mentioned on this forum in the context of MMM.
Where's the option for FritzOwl/Kernals12 hybrid?
Quote from: kirbykart on March 02, 2023, 04:30:52 PM
I voted for George Santos
The only context in which you'll ever see anyone admit to that out loud.
Quote from: kphoger on March 02, 2023, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 02, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
They missed "elantra against 80 000 lb truck" though...
What's your point? The impact to each vehicle would still be less than the combined speed of both vehicles. Again, if they were both going 50 mph, the Elantra would experience an impact equivalent to more than 50 mph, but it would be less than 100 mph.
Yep, 99 is less than 100.
Darn I didn't know about that 5th option, can I change my vote, or am I doomed to be reincarnated as Wesley Crusher now?
Alright, who's talking shit about my main man Morshu?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 02, 2023, 09:49:18 PM
Alright, who's talking shit about my main man Morshu?
Lamp oil?...rope?...bombs?...you want it?...sorry we don't have any of it.
Alright, since we're on the topic of Morshu (seizure warning):
Rap God Morshu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kllk4Dqe8As)
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 02, 2023, 05:36:41 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on March 02, 2023, 04:30:52 PM
I voted for George Santos
The only context in which you'll ever see anyone admit to that out loud.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 02, 2023, 05:36:41 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on March 02, 2023, 04:30:52 PM
I voted for George Santos
The only context in which you'll ever see anyone admit to that out loud.
I actually heard a woman once on social media admit George Soros is fictional and only exists as a figment of some former president’s mind. After seeing MMM here, and assuming he and Soros are the same, I am starting to believe her.
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Quote from: kirbykart on March 02, 2023, 04:30:52 PM
I voted for George Santos
The only context in which you'll ever see anyone admit to that out loud.
I actually heard a woman once on social media admit George Soros is fictional and only exists as a figment of some former president's mind. After seeing MMM here, and assuming he and Soros are the same, I am starting to believe her.
Are you confusing George Santos and George Soros?
So I did. I'm getting old. If my mind is playing tricks on me then I really got to accept that being 58 is one step closer to the grave.
Just as 42 is when you start needing reading glasses as first step of getting old where you can no longer read a Rand McNally with your naked eyes.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 02, 2023, 08:50:51 PM
Darn I didn't know about that 5th option, can I change my vote, or am I doomed to be reincarnated as Wesley Crusher now?
Someone doesn't understand how Potara Fusion works I see.
I have decided that even my own requirements for obtaining a license are too easy. The 100 question written exam should be 5 choices each and an 80% passing score instead of 75%. In addition to including, road rules, road signs, basic car design, basic automotive engineering, emergency procedures, and interstate highway geography, it should include traffic ticket laws and penalties.
I actually passed a German Road Signs sample exam online getting 90 out of 103 questions right without knowing anything, maybe the German Theory Test isn't that bad.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 06:33:29 PM
I have decided that even my own requirements for obtaining a license are too easy. The 100 question written exam should be 5 choices each and an 80% passing score instead of 75%. In addition to including, road rules, road signs, basic car design, basic automotive engineering, emergency procedures, and interstate highway geography, it should include traffic ticket laws and penalties.
INTERSTATE HIGHWAY GEOGRAPHY? That's like having to know the science behind cow anatomy to work at McDonalds.
Aha, I see the strategy. The goal is to get everyone else off the roads so nobody is still around to complain when MMM implements his Grand Plans™. Big brain moves.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 03, 2023, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 06:33:29 PM
I have decided that even my own requirements for obtaining a license are too easy. The 100 question written exam should be 5 choices each and an 80% passing score instead of 75%. In addition to including, road rules, road signs, basic car design, basic automotive engineering, emergency procedures, and interstate highway geography, it should include traffic ticket laws and penalties.
INTERSTATE HIGHWAY GEOGRAPHY? That's like having to know the science behind cow anatomy to work at McDonalds.
Everyone should be required to have a basic understanding of how the freeway grid is layed out, not just interstates. What if your phone dies and gets damaged in a crash or GPS signals are down? Many accidents are caused by drivers not knowing their way around, hesitating whether to change lanes or not, and flying across multiple lanes of traffic because they didn't realize there in exit was coming up. I administered a sample of this exam to my dad with only 53 questions and 4 choices per question, and despite having driven for decades, he still failed with a 35 out 53. (40 was passing), and the questions weren't that hard.
Quote from: US 89 on March 03, 2023, 06:38:55 PM
Aha, I see the strategy. The goal is to get everyone else off the roads so nobody is still around to complain when MMM implements his Grand Plans™. Big brain moves.
That's about the only way to get those multiple million miles without flying off PA Turnpike style curves in at-speed traffic.
I still wanna see MMM make a mob-rule (http://mob-rule.com) account. I bet he's too much of a coward to, though.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 03, 2023, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 06:33:29 PM
I have decided that even my own requirements for obtaining a license are too easy. The 100 question written exam should be 5 choices each and an 80% passing score instead of 75%. In addition to including, road rules, road signs, basic car design, basic automotive engineering, emergency procedures, and interstate highway geography, it should include traffic ticket laws and penalties.
INTERSTATE HIGHWAY GEOGRAPHY? That's like having to know the science behind cow anatomy to work at McDonalds.
Everyone should be required to have a basic understanding of how the freeway grid is layed out, not just interstates. What if your phone dies and gets damaged in a crash or GPS signals are down? Many accidents are caused by drivers not knowing their way around, hesitating whether to change lanes or not, and flying across multiple lanes of traffic because they didn't realize there in exit was coming up. I administered a sample of this exam to my dad with only 53 questions and 4 choices per question, and despite having driven for decades, he still failed with a 35 out 53. (40 was passing), and the questions weren't that hard.
Since my last post got understandably removed, all I'm going to say is that this idea is not the brightest of ideas, and most people would get quite bewildered if they heard it. And knowing about the grid won't really help much when merging onto highways and navigating lanes.
All of that would be extensively tested in the driving exam itself. The road test would be at least 1 hour long and cover at least 50 miles of total distance.
Why do you consider being able to negotiate an Interstate to be the crown jewel of demonstrating driving ability?
It wouldn't be, but around 10-20 of the questions would be about freeway geography within 500 miles of where you are applying to get your license.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 07:26:06 PM
All of that would be extensively tested in the driving exam itself. The road test would be at least 1 hour long and cover at least 50 miles of total distance.
So no city driving?
Well MMM so many fewer people would be getting their licenses. I have to ask you again, (you haven't answered it), with you being anti-public transportation, how would people who can't pass your draconian license test get around?
Quote from: kalvado on March 03, 2023, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 07:26:06 PM
All of that would be extensively tested in the driving exam itself. The road test would be at least 1 hour long and cover at least 50 miles of total distance.
So no city driving?
Half would be on the highway at speeds over 90 mph to test your handling of the car. The other half would be extensive urban driving in the most populated area of your state.
Well people would just have to study harder for the driving exams and put German effort into it. Also, I am not against buses, since they drive on the road, only subways and ferries (ferries are replaced by my road-water-modules in my plans).
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 06:41:47 PM
Everyone should be required to have a basic understanding of how the freeway grid is layed out, not just interstates. What if your phone dies and gets damaged in a crash or GPS signals are down?
I would pull over and unfold the map in the door pocket. But that's just me...
Pulling over on the side of the road is dangerous and should be minimized where possible. One should always get off at an exit and pull to the side of a local road instead of on the highway.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2023, 07:12:53 PM
I still wanna see MMM make a mob-rule (http://mob-rule.com) account. I bet he's too much of a coward to, though.
See, he's too much of a coward to even acknowledge this post.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 07:55:51 PM
Pulling over on the side of the road is dangerous and should be minimized where possible. One should always get off at an exit and pull to the side of a local road instead of on the highway.
#Scared
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 07:45:45 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 03, 2023, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 07:26:06 PM
All of that would be extensively tested in the driving exam itself. The road test would be at least 1 hour long and cover at least 50 miles of total distance.
So no city driving?
Half would be on the highway at speeds over 90 mph to test your handling of the car. The other half would be extensive urban driving in the most populated area of your state.
Well people would just have to study harder for the driving exams and put German effort into it. Also, I am not against buses, since they drive on the road, only subways and ferries (ferries are replaced by my road-water-modules in my plans).
oh, I see, so that's not going to be in US.
It's an expression, "German Standard". US Licensing requirements should be equal to, if not harder, than German Standards.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:20:51 PM
It's an expression, "German Standard". US Licensing requirements should be equal to, if not harder, than German Standards.
But you know, there are no 90 MPH highways...
And just a clarification about my road-water-modules. They will be designed to stay above the surface of a large wave when driving on the open water. Stationary Buoys with interstate highway signs will mark the route through the water, which will be used to complete gaps in the interstate highway system such as I-90 across Lake Michigan. Larger modules will be built to fit trucks.
Quote from: kalvado on March 03, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:20:51 PM
It's an expression, "German Standard". US Licensing requirements should be equal to, if not harder, than German Standards.
But you know, there are no 90 MPH highways...
Part of the point of this plan is that there wouldn't be speed limits on x0 and x5 interstates, and all other interstates would be posted at 90-120 mph. The logic being that if all licensed drivers attained German Skill Level, they should be entitled to autobahn style roads.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:30:08 PM
Part of the point of this plan is that there wouldn't be speed limits on x0 and x5 interstates
What makes I-40 a higher-quality road than I-24, for example?
Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2023, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:30:08 PM
Part of the point of this plan is that there wouldn't be speed limits on x0 and x5 interstates
What makes I-40 a higher-quality road than I-24, for example?
I-40 is longer and straighter.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2023, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:30:08 PM
Part of the point of this plan is that there wouldn't be speed limits on x0 and x5 interstates
What makes I-40 a higher-quality road than I-24, for example?
I-40 is longer and straighter.
So everyone would need to travel to I-40 for the road test?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2023, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:30:08 PM
Part of the point of this plan is that there wouldn't be speed limits on x0 and x5 interstates
What makes I-40 a higher-quality road than I-24, for example?
I-40 is longer and straighter.
Doesn't matter for speed limits. They are just roads. I don't think you understand roads and speed limits. You would probably fail your own driving test.
The road test would have to be taken in a major City that also has an x5 or x0 passing through it, so both components could be done within an hour. People in rural areas of their state would have to travel to that city for the road test. The DMV would pay for 1 free hotel night to accommodate travel needs.
Yes, I'm sure nobody will have issues paying extra taxes to fund DMV hotel per diem.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 09:32:12 PM
The road test would have to be taken in a major City that also has an x5 or x0 passing through it, so both components could be done within an hour. People in rural areas of their state would have to travel to that city for the road test. The DMV would pay for 1 free hotel night to accommodate travel needs.
hahahahahahaha
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2023, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 08:30:08 PM
Part of the point of this plan is that there wouldn't be speed limits on x0 and x5 interstates
What makes I-40 a higher-quality road than I-24, for example?
I-40 is longer and straighter.
Doesn't look too straight to me! I know I-24 doesn't have a portion that drops below interstate standard!
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6797918,-83.0289529,3a,49y,324.4h,90.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCwdwbUzMpgUWlfOR3WtG2g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Your premise on determining interstate quality is completely subjective and easily defeated, just like your proposal to make driving tests more difficult! Perhaps you should think before you... think! Ha!
I never said all of every x0 and x5 wouldn't have a speed limit, just that they would be the only ones eligible for no speed limit. All non x0/x5s would be stuck with 90-120 mph speed limits.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 07:55:51 PM
Pulling over on the side of the road is dangerous and should be minimized where possible. One should always get off at an exit and pull to the side of a local road instead of on the highway.
And if I was on a freeway, I would. Freeways are generally well signed enough that I can remember where I am and where I need to go, though.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 10:12:03 PM
I never said all of every x0 and x5 wouldn't have a speed limit, just that they would be the only ones eligible for no speed limit. All non x0/x5s would be stuck with 90-120 mph speed limits.
What, exactly, is the point of the arbitrary restrictions on non x0/x5 interstate? They're literally the same road; in fact, some actually exist as straighter, shorter routes than x0/x5 interstates (Interstate 12, Interstate 57)! In fact, Interstate 94 is longer than 10 different x0/x5 interstates, being the eighth longest interstate!
What makes I-94 in rural North Dakota suddenly less suitable for an infinite speed limit than I-90 in South Dakota? What makes I-29 in North Dakota less suitable for an infinite speed limit on say, I-15 in Nevada? News flash, these are all barren roadways with no points of interest on them with straight alignments built to Interstate standards! They are functionally identical in the same situation in every way!
I like speed limits as much as the next guy, and I really don't think there should be any uncapped situation. It's just incredibly frustrating seeing you implement a bad idea with not even a femtogram of logic! I strongly suggest judging interstates by the content of their route, rather than their number.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2023, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2023, 07:12:53 PM
I still wanna see MMM make a mob-rule (http://mob-rule.com) account. I bet he's too much of a coward to, though.
See, he's too much of a coward to even acknowledge this post.
I'd also like to see him make a Travel Mapping (http://travelmapping.net) account. But then we'd see how far he is away from multi-million miles. Or even multi-thousand miles.
And he won't acknowledge this post either.
@Hobart, you have a point. Exceptions could be made both ways.
Quote from: dlsterner on March 03, 2023, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2023, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2023, 07:12:53 PM
I still wanna see MMM make a mob-rule (http://mob-rule.com) account. I bet he's too much of a coward to, though.
See, he's too much of a coward to even acknowledge this post.
I'd also like to see him make a Travel Mapping (http://travelmapping.net) account. But then we'd see how far he is away from multi-million miles. Or even multi-thousand miles.
And he won't acknowledge this post either.
Yep. He'll respond to anything and everything about any little rebuttal of one of his fantasies, but you mention any of the sites we use to track our experiences in this hobby and he pretends he can't see it. Like a coward.
My guess is he's trying to conceal the fact that he's never actually been west of the Hudson.
You people have showed me those sites already, I'm not really interested. My mileage is up to 119,700 if you're curious, with about 5,000 miles this year.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 11:14:02 PM
You people have showed me those sites already, I'm not really interested. My mileage is up to 119,700 if you're curious, with about 5,000 miles this year.
We're not really interested in your mileage number unless you have it on travelmapping to prove where you got it.
And what would stop me from making that up as well? How does that prove it?
The fact that making up something on travelmapping would be pathetic?
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 10:56:00 PM
@Hobart, you have a point. Exceptions could be made both ways.
So many exceptions would be made that it wouldn't be a rule anymore
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
Lying is lying. Either your word can be trusted, or it can't.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising: a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising : a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
I know right. Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
Max Rockatansky is one of the most prolific thread creators, but many of them are about specific roads.
List of Max's OPs (must be logged in): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=13488
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising : a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
I know right. Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
Name one. Or is "alot" some M
3 construct that means "zero that can be proven" but can be alleged without any thought going into it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising : a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
I know right. Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
The difference is that Max R actually submits meaningful content to the forum.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 04, 2023, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising : a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
I know right. Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
Name one. Or is "alot" some M3 construct that means "zero that can be proven" but can be alleged without any thought going into it.
All the threads that begin woth quotes from me.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 04, 2023, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 04, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2023, 12:38:00 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 04, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising : a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
I know right. Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
Name one. Or is "alot" some M3 construct that means "zero that can be proven" but can be alleged without any thought going into it.
All the threads that begin woth quotes from me.
Link one. I'm not going on a fishing expedition.
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
Quote from: 1 on March 04, 2023, 01:08:44 PM
List of Max's OPs (must be logged in): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=13488
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:36:14 PM
All the threads that begin woth quotes from me.
Of Max's last 50 threads:
26 are about specific roads.
3 are a legitimate non-fictional road topic unrelated to any trolls (Highways which end at a gate of a military base, Numbered Highways with the steepest signed gradients, Highways that can only be driven in one travel direction)
1 is weather-related (January 2023 Bomb Cyclone closures)
1 is a legitimate topic based on a MMM comment (Counterfeit/Bootleg Highways).
1 is a legitimate fictional thread (Interstate system numberings had California gotten their way in 1957)
5 are a parody of MMM (99-ify, the negative thread,
Implausible scenarios you can find documented instances of challenge, this one, who can hold it the longest in the car)
1 is a parody of Lord Carhorn (
Wisconsin is the best State ever and not flat)3 are a parody of Poiponen13 (Fort Lauderdale street renaming with forum members names,
Forum users you would turn into new islands,
Poiponen13 in one thread)
1 is a generic anti-troll (All Interstates should be abolished)
1 is a generic troll (Blood sacrifices made to construct new A1A bridging islands)
1 is "
the best worst forum quotes"
6 other (surprising Wikipedia articles that don't exist, acronyms you don't know the meaning of, legos, Mayan apocolypse 10th anniversary, Cultural items your age demographic should have knowledge of but you don't, Times you have made passengers riding with you nauseous)
The bolded ones are locked.
Worth noting, those 26 road specific threads probably consisted of 3-10 hours of background research off forum. MMM doesn't seem to get that most of those locked threads were clear snark or parodies.
Then again, it's really telling that MMM was too lazy to find an example when asked and 1 had to do it for him. If that doesn't speak to MMM's contributions on the forum in a nutshell I don't know what does.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
That people are biased against building fictional highways?
Not when they're proposed just to please someone's ego.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
That people are biased against building fictional highways?
I love fictional highways if they are either
A: they are well thought out
B: they are not meant to be serious (like my plans)
Yours are neither
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
That people are biased against building fictional highways?
Correction: People are biased against building
stupid fictional highways, and are against having otherwise decent threads bastardized by horrible ideas about speed limits, fictional highways, and enforcement methods!
Quote from: Hobart on March 04, 2023, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
That people are biased against building fictional highways?
Correction: People are biased against building stupid fictional highways, and are against having otherwise decent threads bastardized by horrible ideas about speed limits, fictional highways, and enforcement methods!
Citation needed. Which of my 2020 posts suggested such things?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: Hobart on March 04, 2023, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
That people are biased against building fictional highways?
Correction: People are biased against building stupid fictional highways, and are against having otherwise decent threads bastardized by horrible ideas about speed limits, fictional highways, and enforcement methods!
Citation needed. Which of my 2020 posts suggested such things?
I'll start with "All."
Care to explain why?
Why? Are you having trouble getting the hint when everyone says that your ideas suck?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 11:15:48 PM
Care to explain why?
You have 6 freeways through empty Nevada, freeways through national parks, dense urban areas, and along beaches. And you have some wack Canada shit and the fucking boat plan. Need I say more?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: Hobart on March 04, 2023, 10:48:58 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 04, 2023, 04:44:21 PM
Seriously? Like all the ones that have the giant locked symbol on them in the off topic section, there aren't that many of them.
and many threads you participated in have the lock. Should tell you something.
That people are biased against building fictional highways?
Correction: People are biased against building stupid fictional highways, and are against having otherwise decent threads bastardized by horrible ideas about speed limits, fictional highways, and enforcement methods!
Citation needed. Which of my 2020 posts suggested such things?
Why don't you reread them all and contemplate why anyone would say such things.
I would estimate that anywhere from 89 to 97% of my posts are reasonable. I do re-read my posts since this is the only social media I have and delete anything I've changed my mind about or felt was overly outrageous or not thought through enough.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 01:01:10 AM. . . this is the only social media I have . . .
Really? No Facebook or Twitter?
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 01:01:10 AM. . . this is the only social media I have . . .
Really? No Facebook or Twitter?
No, I deleted those back in March 2021. Facebook was some of the politically correct, and had some of the most toxic commenters on Earth. Twitter I never used anyway, but deleted it as well. Youtube I got banned back in 2020 for literally no reason, so I just created a couple new fake email accounts to watch videos that required sign in/comment some more, but then I deleted those as well and don't even interact much anymore there as well. Social Media in general is toxic and I honestly wish I never created any accounts/supported those websites in the first place. The only reason I joined here was because it was cool how there was a whole entire forum just on highways and because I love driving so much.
Given that the YouTube userbase is one of the major ways Google makes its money, I don't think they're really in the business of turning away potential advertising targets "for literally no reason".
My experience is when people complain about "political correctness", it usually indicates a refusal to take personal responsibility for the views they espouse, and an unwillingness to accept that others may not want to have them around as a result of the views they espouse.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 01:01:10 AM
I would estimate that anywhere from 89 to 97% of my posts are reasonable.
More like 0.89 to 0.97%.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 01:01:10 AM
I would estimate that anywhere from 89 to 97% of my posts are reasonable. I do re-read my posts since this is the only social media I have and delete anything I've changed my mind about or felt was overly outrageous or not thought through enough.
Your estimates are off the mark
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And making stuff up to post on here isn't pathetic?
Well one is the honor system while the other is simply opinions/fictional ideas, not outright lying.
It's not exactly a mystery to us that you're already leaning heavily into the realm of pathetic. Your body of work on this forum plainly speaks to that.
What is more surprising : a) that this post has survived 12 hours, or b) that this thread has survived 2.5 months?
I know right. Alot of threads Max R starts tend to get locked very fast.
Not really and he provides useful information for the forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 03, 2023, 11:14:02 PM
You people have showed me those sites already, I'm not really interested. My mileage is up to 119,700 if you're curious, with about 5,000 miles this year.
Congrats. I put 110,000 miles on my car since November 2020.
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2023, 02:22:45 AM
Given that the YouTube userbase is one of the major ways Google makes its money, I don't think they're really in the business of turning away potential advertising targets "for literally no reason".
My experience is when people complain about "political correctness", it usually indicates a refusal to take personal responsibility for the views they espouse, and an unwillingness to accept that others may not want to have them around as a result of the views they espouse.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2023, 02:22:45 AM
Given that the YouTube userbase is one of the major ways Google makes its money, I don't think they're really in the business of turning away potential advertising targets "for literally no reason".
My experience is when people complain about "political correctness", it usually indicates a refusal to take personal responsibility for the views they espouse, and an unwillingness to accept that others may not want to have them around as a result of the views they espouse.
I didn't have any videos LOL so how could I be an advertising target, most accounts don't. yes they have banned thousands and thousands of accounts recently for no reason, even just for being in the IP range of other accounts that were banned. "Not wanting other people around" for the views they may have is the definition of censorship and discrimination. And by the way that is easily circumventable. It takes 3 minutes to create a new Gmail account with one extra number added to sign in again. IP addresses can also be changed, as well as connecting to a private VPN, so they aren't really accomplishing anything, they are just trying to make a statement, which is pathetic.
Edit: And then removing the dislike button, if that doesn't signal being pathetic, I don't know what does. "To protect small content creators" yeah...
RIGHT Not to mention I immediately created a few new Gmail accounts after that and started deliberately copying and pasting whatever comments I assume they didn't like, on every news video I could find, just to fuck with them, with usernames such as "Fuck Youtube" and "GoodLuckBanningMe", and yes I would check if they were shadowbanned by refreshing the comments, and if they were, I would simply delete that Gmail account and recreate it by adding a 0 in front of the number, or using yet a different number. Very easy to keep track. I could have 50 different email accounts if I wanted to. Not to get into it here, but remember when people were banned for conspiracy theories such as suggesting covid escaped from a research lab, well now they owe those people a HUGE apology.
So you got banned for making "choice" comments on videos, got it.
I don't even know if it was comments. I was commenting on YouTube mostly after that, in 2021, but was banned in 2020 I believe. They didn't give a reason, not that I cared, because creating a new email account was less effort than appealing anything. It came in the form of "this action isn't allowed" or "can't sign in because of past account issues" which I looked up probably meant you were being blocked. Simply unsyncing my phone, clearing the cache, and creating a new Gmail resolved this problem.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
MMMs been deleting a lot of his old posts. His post count was over 2000, now its under 2000.
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
MMMs been deleting a lot of his old posts. His post count was over 2000, now its under 2000.
Not that MMM has had a lot of top shelf contributions, but at what point does wholesale post deletion become an issue with thread continuity? Especially when a high percentage of the deleted posted still exist in other user quotes?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
MMMs been deleting a lot of his old posts. His post count was over 2000, now its under 2000.
Not that MMM has had a lot of top shelf contributions, but at what point does wholesale post deletion become an issue with thread continuity? Especially when a high percentage of the deleted posted still exist in other user quotes?
Yes, if he thinks he's "covering his tracks", the posts will still exists in quote chains. And I wouldn't be surprised if "deleted" posts actually go into a "purgatory" area that is still admin accessible.
It's not to cover my tracks for anything, I just want the list of posts in my profile page to accurately reflect who I am, and so my.post rate isn't unnecessarily high. Besides, it's not like people can't make up quotes anyway.
So now you're accusing us of making up things we quoted from you? Sounds like something someone covering their tracks would say.
Deleting old posts just makes reading older conversations annoying and distrupts threads. I have loads of old, embarrasing posts, but I don't delete them.
I only delete posts if I either post in the wrong thread by accident or if I see someone else has already mentioned something I was about to post, but I've made embarrassing posts before and I just leave it. It's nothing to be embarrassed about.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 12:23:28 PM
When did BlueOutback7 become MMM?
Ah, shows how much (how little) I pay attention to this thread when my wife is talking about my dog's birthday.
I have only deleted maybe 4 or 5 posts, usually because I screwed up a quote cascade or was in the wrong thread. And it's promptly after posting, not days/weeks/months later. I'm not trying to pretend I never posted something dumb. If I posted something dumb, I might attempt to apologize or explain, but not pretend it never happened or sanitize history.
What's the difference than what I do? I bet you people couldn't even find what posts were deleted they are so sporadic, like a couple per page on profile post history. Sometimes I also merge a bunch of replies into one after the fact with @user tags so it doesn't take up unnecessary space or inflate my post count. That makes things more concise, not more confusing.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
MMMs been deleting a lot of his old posts. His post count was over 2000, now its under 2000.
Not that MMM has had a lot of top shelf contributions, but at what point does wholesale post deletion become an issue with thread continuity? Especially when a high percentage of the deleted posted still exist in other user quotes?
He's entertaining for sure. He don't contribute, but he gives us a great chuckle. 🤭
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:03:03 PM
What's the difference than what I do? I bet you people couldn't even find what posts were deleted they are so sporadic, like a couple per page on profile post history. Sometimes I also merge a bunch of replies into one after the fact with @user tags so it doesn't take up unnecessary space or inflate my post count. That makes thongs more concise, not more confusing.
Thongs certainly can make some things appear more concise, but on others they're just confusing.
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Touchscreen phones typically have spell check. Make sure that spellcheck is turned on.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Touchscreen phones typically have spell check. Make sure that spellcheck is turned on.
Why do you think he's using a phone and not a computer?
On my computer, I've disabled autocorrect, and spell check alone wouldn't have caught it.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Touchscreen phones typically have spell check. Make sure that spellcheck is turned on.
Why do you think he's using a phone and not a computer?
"It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones."
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
I just hit 120,000 miles in my car today!!!
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
If we move it to ficitonal there would be two very similar threads right next to each other. That's why I think that the mods are keeping it in off topic.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 03:54:08 PM
I just hit 120,000 miles in my car today!!!
Hey let's throw a 🎊 party. Whoo Hoo.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 03:54:08 PM
I just hit 120,000 miles in my car today!!!
Hey let's throw a 🎊 party. Whoo Hoo.
If food and beer are included I'll travel to Long Island to visit.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Be glad NE 2 didn't catch it. :bigass:
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Be glad NE 2 didn't catch it. :bigass:
NE2 barely posts on the forum anymore
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Be glad NE 2 didn't catch it. :bigass:
NE2 barely posts on the forum anymore
Yeah I wonder what's up with that?
Neither is his buddy, the MOD from Boonton, NJ.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Be glad NE 2 didn’t catch it. :bigass:
NE2 barely posts on the forum anymore
Yeah I wonder what’s up with that?
Neither is his buddy, the MOD from Boonton, NJ.
You talking about Alps? Alps is no longer a mod, but he still posts sometimes on the forum. He's active just doesn't post much anymore. Plenty of people (me included) have times when they post more on the forum than at other times.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Be glad NE 2 didn’t catch it. :bigass:
NE2 barely posts on the forum anymore
Yeah I wonder what’s up with that?
Neither is his buddy, the MOD from Boonton, NJ.
You talking about Alps? Alps is no longer a mod, but he still posts sometimes on the forum. He's active just doesn't post much anymore. Plenty of people (me included) have times when they post more on the forum than at other times.
Alps don’t trust. He quit once before to spend time with his fiancé and it turns out he didn’t.
One day he made an incoherent remark after he allegedly resigned, as Alps is not on the spectrum or mentally ill, so I hit the report to moderator button, and he put me on probation ( as still he was active MOD).
So he may still be a MOD, but on a little R & R like he was with his former girlfriend.
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
Wonder if he is trying to get below 1500 posts? I know he has said he didn't like being classified as a "Turnpike".
(Idle thought - since there are custom classifications like "DOT Employee", maybe one called "Doofus" could be make and applied to a few people I can think of?)
Like I said earlier that he is entertaining, so we all treat him as comedy and not a conversing user. Yes, there should be a special category for him.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2023, 04:19:37 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
OMG I am sick of these fucking typos. Now I definitely won't delete that post because I need the edit to be visible to show that wasn't intentional. It's like I'm cursed with touchscreen phones.
Be glad NE 2 didn't catch it. :bigass:
NE2 barely posts on the forum anymore
Yeah I wonder what's up with that?
Neither is his buddy, the MOD from Boonton, NJ.
You talking about Alps? Alps is no longer a mod, but he still posts sometimes on the forum. He's active just doesn't post much anymore. Plenty of people (me included) have times when they post more on the forum than at other times.
Alps don't trust. He quit once before to spend time with his fiancé and it turns out he didn't.
One day he made an incoherent remark after he allegedly resigned, as Alps is not on the spectrum or mentally ill, so I hit the report to moderator button, and he put me on probation ( as still he was active MOD).
So he may still be a MOD, but on a little R & R like he was with his former girlfriend.
Alps gave me an 85% warning level shortly after joining the forum for posting one thing in the wrong thread. ONE!
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Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
Wonder if he is trying to get below 1500 posts? I know he has said he didn't like being classified as a "Turnpike".
(Idle thought - since there are custom classifications like "DOT Employee", maybe one called "Doofus" could be make and applied to a few people I can think of?)
No, I explained any of my few post deletions above. But yes I really wish Scott would just lock my post count at a random number between 1000 and 1499 or 3000+ and keep it there, so I can be freeway or expressway. Being a turnpike is just insulting. Highway Tolls = Extortion.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 04:26:08 PM
But yes I really wish Scott would just lock my post count at a random number between 1000 and 1499 or 3000+ and keep it there, so I can be freeway or expressway. Being a turnpike is just insulting. Highway Tolls = Extortion.
Post counts can't be frozen. The most reasonable way to do it is probably to make
100001970 100001963 (right now), where it's clear what the real number is.
You decreased it by 7 while I was typing.
I’ve also caught Alps being anal about spelling a few times. Like I said he is not on the spectrum or have any mental health issues, yet he chose to react to me spelling Lou Farrakhan wrong as NE 2 would in wrongful spelling situations.
Alps is also extremely hostile to me in the chat and is the reason I'm not welcome there despite not being banned.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 04:29:27 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 04:26:08 PM
But yes I really wish Scott would just lock my post count at a random number between 1000 and 1499 or 3000+ and keep it there, so I can be freeway or expressway. Being a turnpike is just insulting. Highway Tolls = Extortion.
Post counts can't be frozen. The most reasonable way to do it is probably to make 100001970 100001963 (right now), where it's clear what the real number is.
You decreased it by 7 while I was typing.
Oh I thought maybe you were going by prime numbers for a second.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 10:40:42 AM
I didn't have any videos LOL so how could I be an advertising target, most accounts don't.
You watch the ads. Duh.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 04:33:37 PM
Alps is also extremely hostile to me in the chat and is the reason I'm not welcome there despite not being banned.
Alps is very prejudiced especially if you're friends with him on social media. Say something he politically disagrees with on that platform or say anything negative about two specific users on this forum, and you're under scrutiny forever.
I believe my friendship with Alex is the reason why I'm not banned here. I'm sure that burns him up real badly that I personally know Alex.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean.
So like, most of them?
Quote
Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Too late.
You delete posts and if someone quotes it, the quote will still remain in another post quoted yours.
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
It's not being moved to fictional highways because it's not about highways. Or at least it wasn't at the beginning when it was MMM inventing his own physics.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2023, 04:19:37 PM
So he may still be a MOD, but on a little R & R like he was with his former girlfriend.
Alps retains moderation permissions in the Canada section, but has no advanced permissions on any other board.
Alps's position as global mod was filled a week ago by J.N. Winkler.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2023, 04:39:12 PM
I believe my friendship with Alex is the reason why I'm not banned here. I'm sure that burns him up real badly that I personally know Alex.
You've never been able to permanently ban someone unilaterally on this forum. It always requires a majority of the mods to agree. So if he ever wanted to ban you (which I can't say he ever brought up so far as I can remember) he would have a good enough reason to convince everyone else, which would involve pointing to actual rules violations. This is especially true since Alps was a global mod, so he didn't have access to the permanent ban interface; only admins have that.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
You do know that your record is already quite bad, right? All you're doing is wasting your own time and serving as a very slight inconvenience to any user who reads this thread for their amusement (not because you have profound ideas).
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2023, 04:24:36 PM
Like I said earlier that he is entertaining, so we all treat him as comedy and not a conversing user. Yes, there should be a special category for him.
I would like to suggest some names for this category:
- Clown
- Court Jester
- Plaything
What inconvenience? Who is going to read pages 29, 37, 43, or 61 of this random thread?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 06:00:16 PM
What inconvenience? Who is going to read pages 29, 37, 43, or 61 of this random thread?
Exactly. So why are you deleting them?
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 06:00:16 PM
What inconvenience? Who is going to read pages 29, 37, 43, or 61 of this random thread?
Exactly. So why are you deleting them?
Just a thought....
Because it fuels dying discussion for another 10 pages?
Quoted posts don't carry the same impression as the real thing. They are sort of like ghosts of the person's posts, and again there's always that 1% doubt that people could have edited the quote themselves (not saying I think anyone did that) but just saying. Also, it shows that I may have agreed with the reply and changed my mind, so it seems stupid to pollute the forum with a bunch of "fair enough" or "OK you're right" or "fine" when you can just delete the original post. It's not about not admiting being wrong either, it's to avoid an over inflated post count for ideas I may no longer hold.
For example, I realized how insane all the east coast arguments I was making were, as well as the I-90 cargo planes/rocket powered ferries, and beltway around abandoned cities were, so am really sorry, I must not have been thinking straight those days, (although I still a cargo plane is needed to connect the two I-2s), so call it an OCD thing if you will, but it also just makes the most sense.
By the way, the forum software allows roles like the existing DOT Employee and Site Contributor that override the typical road-based ranks. It's possible for an admin to create a role where you're the only member, and you'll no longer be a Turnpike. Do you want that?
Sure, but why do I have a feeling I would end up with a George Santos/Wesley Crusher tag if I leave that up to the admins?
In fact, here's my personal suggestion for post count tags:
0 = Parking Lot
1-9 = Dirt Road
10-99 = Unpaved Road
100-249=2 Lane undivided Road
250-499= 4 lane county Road
500-999=6 lane county Road
1000-1499= State Route
1500-1999 = US Route
2000-2499 = Cross Country US Route
2500-2999 = Interstate
3000-4999= Cross Country Interstate
5000-9999= Interstate 80
10,000+ = German Autobahn
0 = Parking Lot
1-9 = Dirt Road
10-99 = Residential street
100-237 = Collector
238 = California's Much Maligned Interstate
239-499 = Arterial
500+ = (no rank description needed; just leave it blank, and don't even show the number of posts)
Here is my suggestion:
- Remove post counts
My "post count" under Scott5114's proposal is 14; I believe its last increase was in 2014 (up from 12).
>10,000: 🌞 needs to go outside
Between all the running I do and other stuff I spend about two hours on average outside everyday.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AMI said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
So that means all your posts should be deleted? Sounds good. And exemplary record? Ha!
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 06:39:24 PM
In fact, here's my personal suggestion for post count tags:
0 = Parking Lot
1-9 = Dirt Road
10-99 = Unpaved Road
100-249=2 Lane undivided Road
250-499= 4 lane county Road
500-999=6 lane county Road
1000-1499= State Route
1500-1999 = US Route
2000-2499 = Cross Country US Route
2500-2999 = Interstate
3000-4999= Cross Country Interstate
5000-9999= Interstate 80
10,000+ = German Autobahn
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 06:59:19 PM
Here is my suggestion:
- Remove post counts
I like looking at people's post counts. I like that kind of stuff. I'm strange and a nerd but whatever.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Maybe think about either having someone proofread before you post or setting a hard limit of one post per day to make them count.
How you've managed to stick around here after ragequitting Facebook because of hostility is honestly impressive. But it probably won't last since you don't even seem to acknowledge good-faith criticism of your posts and put in an effort to improve or expand your world beyond fictional highways. Hint: users here appreciate a nice trip report or question based on real-world events more than mostly recycled content in the fictional forum.
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Maybe think about either having someone proofread before you post or setting a hard limit of one post per day to make them count.
How you’ve managed to stick around here after ragequitting Facebook because of hostility is honestly impressive. But it probably won’t last since you don’t even seem to acknowledge good-faith criticism of your posts and put in an effort to improve or expand your world beyond fictional highways. Hint: users here appreciate a nice trip report or question based on real-world events more than mostly recycled content in the fictional forum.
Limit of one post per day? Many users on this forum, including most of the regular posters, post more than once a day on most or all days. I don't like having hard limits- 30 good posts per day is better than 10 crappy posts per day.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:21:55 PM
Between all the running I do and other stuff I spend about two hours on average outside everyday.
That was a joke. If I was being serious I'd be throwing rocks from a glass house. At my per-day pace, I'd be at 10k if I registered in 2012, which is probably later than the registration date of most users who are over 10k.
^^^
Ah, but you're hitting on my point. There is a preconception for 10k plus users, just another reason to throw it the wayside.
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Maybe think about either having someone proofread before you post or setting a hard limit of one post per day to make them count.
How you've managed to stick around here after ragequitting Facebook because of hostility is honestly impressive. But it probably won't last since you don't even seem to acknowledge good-faith criticism of your posts and put in an effort to improve or expand your world beyond fictional highways. Hint: users here appreciate a nice trip report or question based on real-world events more than mostly recycled content in the fictional forum.
MMM isn't here to learn, he's here to tell us how he thinks the world is. Failing to learn and getting kicked out for odd/extreme views on other sites like YouTube seems on brand to me.
Quote from: Wikipedia, with minor modificationsExpulsion is the most serious form of disciplinary action that can be taken against a Member of AARoads Forum. The Forum Guidelines provide that "The Community may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member."
Censure, a less severe form of disciplinary action, is an official sanction of a member. It does not remove a member from the forum.
Should we start an official and binding vote?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
I was just on vacation in Naples, Florida and there are a lot of them there, and they are very well signed, although I think more commonly referred to by name ("Immokalee Road", "Pine Ridge Road", etc.).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:43:34 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Maybe think about either having someone proofread before you post or setting a hard limit of one post per day to make them count.
How you've managed to stick around here after ragequitting Facebook because of hostility is honestly impressive. But it probably won't last since you don't even seem to acknowledge good-faith criticism of your posts and put in an effort to improve or expand your world beyond fictional highways. Hint: users here appreciate a nice trip report or question based on real-world events more than mostly recycled content in the fictional forum.
Limit of one post per day? Many users on this forum, including most of the regular posters, post more than once a day on most or all days. I don't like having hard limits- 30 good posts per day is better than 10 crappy posts per day.
That was a suggestion based on how I think MMM could improve as a poster. They have the drive to do some good things here, but lack restraint. It wouldn't be enforced by anyone other than MMM either.
But honestly, maybe a hard limit of one post in the fictional forum per day would do us some good. And cut back on all the needless hostility from folks who can't be bothered to read a little bit of context from the posts there before posting "your idea is stupid and you're a disgrace to humanity for thinking it."
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 07:45:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:21:55 PM
Between all the running I do and other stuff I spend about two hours on average outside everyday.
That was a joke. If I was being serious I'd be throwing rocks from a glass house. At my per-day pace, I'd be at 10k if I registered in 2012, which is probably later than the registration date of most users who are over 10k.
Lets find that out for sure just for fun.
Users with over 10000 posts who joined 2012 or later
Max R: 2016
Jakeroot: 2013
Roadgeekteen (myself): 2017
1: 2013
Webny99: 2017 (the user with over 10000 posts who joined the forum the most recent)
So out of the 21 users with over 10000 posts, just under a quarter of them joined in 2012 or later.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:47:28 PM
^^^
Ah, but you're hitting on my point. There is a preconception for 10k plus users, just another reason to throw it the wayside.
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Maybe think about either having someone proofread before you post or setting a hard limit of one post per day to make them count.
How you've managed to stick around here after ragequitting Facebook because of hostility is honestly impressive. But it probably won't last since you don't even seem to acknowledge good-faith criticism of your posts and put in an effort to improve or expand your world beyond fictional highways. Hint: users here appreciate a nice trip report or question based on real-world events more than mostly recycled content in the fictional forum.
MMM isn't here to learn, he's here to tell us how he thinks the world is. Failing to learn and getting kicked out for odd/extreme views on other sites like YouTube seems on brand to me.
Max, if you don't want to see post counts, just don't pay any attention to them. They don't come up when we are talking about most things. This topic is just so absurd that tons of random things keep coming up.
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:43:34 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 11:46:54 AM
I said I sometimes go back and delete old posts that I felt were overly outrageous or nonsense, since this is the only social media I have, I want my collection of posts to be a golden standard if you know what I mean. Don't want a few irrational ones to taint my exemplary record on this forum.
Maybe think about either having someone proofread before you post or setting a hard limit of one post per day to make them count.
How you've managed to stick around here after ragequitting Facebook because of hostility is honestly impressive. But it probably won't last since you don't even seem to acknowledge good-faith criticism of your posts and put in an effort to improve or expand your world beyond fictional highways. Hint: users here appreciate a nice trip report or question based on real-world events more than mostly recycled content in the fictional forum.
Limit of one post per day? Many users on this forum, including most of the regular posters, post more than once a day on most or all days. I don't like having hard limits- 30 good posts per day is better than 10 crappy posts per day.
That was a suggestion based on how I think MMM could improve as a poster. They have the drive to do some good things here, but lack restraint. It wouldn't be enforced by anyone other than MMM either.
But honestly, maybe a hard limit of one post in the fictional forum per day would do us some good. And cut back on all the needless hostility from folks who can't be bothered to read a little bit of context from the posts there before posting "your idea is stupid and you're a disgrace to humanity for thinking it."
One post per user per day on the ficitonal forum would make it a nightmare to actually discuss serious fictional highway content.
You're just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
You’re just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Now I'll go back and tell you all the stupid things you probably would have done if forums existed in the mid 1990s when you were 13. That was so long ago, and I don't do that stuff anymore. Also, can I get a quick reminder of all the problematic stuff I did with post counts? That was so long ago that I forget and I don't really feel like shifting through my garbage from 2017.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:56:07 PM
if forums existed in the mid 1990s
You do know Usenet was a thing, right?
I never posted extreme views on YouTube, but after I was blocked and I created a fake account to get around that, I made sure to fully let loose then. I even taunted videos from the "Youtube" channel by posting extreme comments there and bragging about how they couldn't ban me and that I have 50+ Gmail accounts..etc, haven't had an issue accessing YouTube since. Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter all support child abuse and have some of the scumiest people on earth. They all deserved to be sued, shutdown, and have the neighborhoods where the CEOs lived paved over with new interstate highways that are missing from the grid. In fact, on one youtube video supporting climate change protests blocking traffic, I posted a link to a short video I uploaded on a fake account channel, of me revving my car engine for a while, while stationary.
6 lane local roads do exist in Long Island for example.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:56:07 PM
if forums existed in the mid 1990s
You do know Usenet was a thing, right?
Ah, I just remembered that. But they were not as widely avaible and easy for middle schoolers to access back then- I believe that you had to have some level of computer knowledge.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
You're just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Why are you so obsessed with my post count, and why are other users so interested in how many pages this thread had or whether a post is on page 76 or 77?
I'm pretty sure you started it because you kept boasting/bragging about your post count.
@MultiMillionMiler @Scott5114 @everyone I rolled a 7 for initiative.
Getting MMM's HP to 0 might be the only way to end this thread without a lock (a lock would be counterproductive).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:56:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
You're just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Now I'll go back and tell you all the stupid things you probably would have done if forums existed in the mid 1990s when you were 13. That was so long ago, and I don't do that stuff anymore. Also, can I get a quick reminder of all the problematic stuff I did with post counts? That was so long ago that I forget and I don't really feel like shifting through my garbage from 2017.
If you don't like being critiqued on your past then you probably ought not try to give me needless advice.
BTW, bulletin boards did exist on Prodigy Online well back even 1990. You know what they didn't have?...post counts.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
You're just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Why are you so obsessed with my post count, and why are other users so interested in how many pages this thread had or whether a post is on page 76 or 77?
If your post count kept going up like a normal user nobody would care. Your post count keeps going up and down wildly and you keep deleting tons of posts, which is not normal.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
You're just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Why are you so obsessed with my post count, and why are other users so interested in how many pages this thread had or whether a post is on page 76 or 77?
If your post count kept going up like a normal user nobody would care. Your post count keeps going up and down wildly and you keep deleting tons of posts, which is not normal.
Citation needed.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 06:39:24 PM
In fact, here's my personal suggestion for post count tags:
0 = Parking Lot
1-9 = Dirt Road
10-99 = Unpaved Road
100-249=2 Lane undivided Road
250-499= 4 lane county Road
500-999=6 lane county Road
1000-1499= State Route
1500-1999 = US Route
2000-2499 = Cross Country US Route
2500-2999 = Interstate
3000-4999= Cross Country Interstate
5000-9999= Interstate 80
10,000+ = German Autobahn
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
While they're short stretches, CR 534 in Deptford NJ is 5 lanes, and CR 563 (Tilton Rd) on Northfield, NJ is 7 lanes:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fpAB77SGHT4DoeF28
Maybe we should just nuke this place and move over to Reddit like the rest of the world. At least there you're only able to view how prolific a user is if you click their profile.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 08:03:11 PM
Citation needed.
Citation. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2824639#msg2824639) It's lower now than when I made that post.
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 08:04:25 PM
Maybe we should just nuke this place and move over to Reddit like the rest of the world. At least there you're only able to view how prolific a user is if you click their profile.
Strong disagree. I have an irrational fear of being downvoted, and I would likely lose interest. In addition, threads are archived after four months, meaning project updates sometimes can't happen.
Something that can be solved with a single ban doesn't warrant abandoning the forum.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 05, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
You're just as guilty in terms of making post counts a problem. One of the first issues that I can even recall with post counts originated with you.
Why are you so obsessed with my post count, and why are other users so interested in how many pages this thread had or whether a post is on page 76 or 77?
If your post count kept going up like a normal user nobody would care. Your post count keeps going up and down wildly and you keep deleting tons of posts, which is not normal.
Citation needed.
You post count used to be well over 2000. Now it's about 1950ish. You've deleted at least 100-150 posts. That's over 5% of your total posts. And nobody else deletes 100+ of their posts at once. In fact, I heard that you can actually get in trouble for messing conversations by deleting posts, but a mod can confirm.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 08:03:11 PM
Citation needed.
Citation. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2824639#msg2824639) It's lower now than when I made that post.
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 05, 2023, 08:04:25 PM
Maybe we should just nuke this place and move over to Reddit like the rest of the world. At least there you're only able to view how prolific a user is if you click their profile.
Strong disagree. I have an irrational fear of being downvoted, and I would likely lose interest. In addition, threads are archived after four months, meaning project updates sometimes can't happen.
Same. Karma ruins reddit by creating an echo chamber. Karma does not work well in the small community that we have. But reddit threads can actually be unarchived for longer than 4 months now- I've had people respond to my 3 year old posts.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2023, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 06:39:24 PM
In fact, here's my personal suggestion for post count tags:
0 = Parking Lot
1-9 = Dirt Road
10-99 = Unpaved Road
100-249=2 Lane undivided Road
250-499= 4 lane county Road
500-999=6 lane county Road
1000-1499= State Route
1500-1999 = US Route
2000-2499 = Cross Country US Route
2500-2999 = Interstate
3000-4999= Cross Country Interstate
5000-9999= Interstate 80
10,000+ = German Autobahn
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
While they're short stretches, CR 534 in Deptford NJ is 5 lanes, and CR 563 (Tilton Rd) on Northfield, NJ is 7 lanes:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fpAB77SGHT4DoeF28
Oh yeah, CR 541 in Burlington County has a significant stretch of road at 6 lanes:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KJUwomQwM1LQqFHN9
427 12th Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/kUwdTXSxQzSAJ4jU6
West Side highway local section is 8 lanes, it's also one of those annoying roads where you start in the right and lane and slowly end up in the left lane as the right lane keeps vanishing and a new left lane forms for every left turn. They recently lowered the speed limit from 35 to 30 and put speed cameras on it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 08:20:56 PM
427 12th Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/kUwdTXSxQzSAJ4jU6
West Side highway local section is 8 lanes, it's also one of those annoying roads where you start in the right and lane and slowly end up in the left lane as the right lane keeps vanishing and a new left lane forms for every left turn. They recently lowered the speed limit from 35 to 30 and put speed cameras on it.
That's not a county road, unless you are just letting us know about this. Since this is road related, you could probably post it in NYC roads in Northeast instead.
Yes it is Route 9A, but it is technically in New York County, I thought you all wanted me to stay in this thread?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 08:26:21 PM
Yes it is Route 9A, but it is technically in New York County, I thought you all wanted me to stay in this thread?
If you have road related or actual useful on topic stuff to post, you can post in other threads. Stay in this thread for your rants and tangents.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2023, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
It's not being moved to fictional highways because it's not about highways. Or at least it wasn't at the beginning when it was MMM inventing his own physics.
I guess it depends whether you weight "fictional" or "highways" more heavily. I can certainly understand both sides, but when it's pages and pages of mostly nonsense, I think the scales start to tip towards the former because there's precedent for such content being in the fictional board (although admittedly, I don't think we've ever had explicitly fictional-but-non-highway content being posted to this degree.)
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2023, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
It's not being moved to fictional highways because it's not about highways. Or at least it wasn't at the beginning when it was MMM inventing his own physics.
I guess it depends whether you weight "fictional" or "highways" more heavily. I can certainly understand both sides, but when it's pages and pages of mostly nonsense, I think the scales start to tip towards the former because there's precedent for such content being in the fictional board (although admittedly, I don't think we've ever had explicitly fictional-but-non-highway content being posted to this degree.)
Even Alanland started off with roads.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
Las Vegas
I keep mixing the two up. Sometimes highway talk arises here, and sometimes irrelevant stuff/semi-relevant stuff comes up in the highway thread, but I try to stay in these two regardless. The mods can feel free to merge them into one thread called "MMM Fictional Highway Plans And Physics Theories" assuming threads from different boards can be merged.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 09:27:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2023, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 05, 2023, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 05, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I swear this thread had 77 pages, and now with a new page of posts its now 76.
Yes, the length of this thread has been oscillating for a few days now. It has about 10 less replies now than it did yesterday, and that was down from the day before. I still can't believe it hasn't been moved.
It's not being moved to fictional highways because it's not about highways. Or at least it wasn't at the beginning when it was MMM inventing his own physics.
I guess it depends whether you weight "fictional" or "highways" more heavily. I can certainly understand both sides, but when it's pages and pages of mostly nonsense, I think the scales start to tip towards the former because there's precedent for such content being in the fictional board (although admittedly, I don't think we've ever had explicitly fictional-but-non-highway content being posted to this degree.)
Even Alanland started off with roads.
If you are going to tell the origin of the Magical Land of Destiny at least do it justice:
"How About having the North American Interstate Highway System, in all 15 North American countries, the countries will be, the U.S., Mexico, Canada, Alaska, Yukon, Northwest Terrtiories, Nunavut, Quebec, Greenland, Iceland, Alanland, Hawaii, Bermuda, Belize, and Saint Pierre and Miquelon, not central america, caribbean, or south america because i considered them other continents, and i would also like to have to have the interstate highway system in Europe and Australia, in Europe will have them in every country, like the UK, France or Spain, and in Australia will have them also in every country, like in Australia (Nation), or New Zealand, and this interstates can also be in Antarctica, and maybe South Africa, because in Antarctica theres only 1 or 2 countries, and about 5 or 6 Territories, and in South Africa because it looks like Europe, Australia, or North America, and those continents like North America, Europe, and Australia do look alike along with Antarctica and South Africa, theres my plan"
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 09:28:39 PM
I keep mixing the two up. Sometimes highway talk arises here, and sometimes irrelevant stuff/semi-relevant stuff comes up in the highway thread, but I try to stay in these two regardless. The mods can feel free to merge them into one thread called "MMM Fictional Highway Plans And Physics Theories" assuming threads from different boards can be merged.
They can, but it's not usually done because it makes it almost impossible to follow the discussion when they were both active at the same time.
So I guess we really didn't want to know about 6 lane county roads...
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2023, 09:50:25 PM
So I guess we really didn't want to know about 6 lane county roads...
Its pretty much along tradition of this forum to make a "widest county road" thread and see if 8 ot 10 lanes would show up
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2023, 09:50:25 PM
So I guess we really didn't want to know about 6 lane county roads...
I did want to know and found your example informative. Just didn't have anything to say in response.
Here's some County routes in Long Island that are 6 lanes, and at some points a couple of them may widen to 8.
519 NY-110
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3fixbxZ7tLNh4BWo8
500 NY-27
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HgZ1QdJ513keMK6UA
1053 William Floyd Pkwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyS5QKE9v6cSM7rV8
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 10:20:38 PM
Here's some County routes in Long Island that are 6 lanes, and at some points a couple of them may widen to 8.
519 NY-110
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3fixbxZ7tLNh4BWo8
500 NY-27
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HgZ1QdJ513keMK6UA
1053 William Floyd Pkwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyS5QKE9v6cSM7rV8
NY 110 is not a county highway. NY 17 isn't either but it does look like Suffolk County maintains part of it. William Floyd Parkway actually is a county maintained highway.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 08:01:20 PM
@MultiMillionMiler @Scott5114 @everyone I rolled a 7 for initiative.
Getting MMM's HP to 0 might be the only way to end this thread without a lock (a lock would be counterproductive).
I can't decide what's worse: the fact that I just rolled a nat 1 on initiative, or the fact that this post jumped forward a page due to deleted posts.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 08:01:20 PM
@MultiMillionMiler @Scott5114 @everyone I rolled a 7 for initiative.
Getting MMM's HP to 0 might be the only way to end this thread without a lock (a lock would be counterproductive).
Wouldn't matter if you blasted him with Ultima, I'm fairly certain he has Life 3 cast.
What does "rolling an initiative" mean?
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Well it's down to 1899 now. Wouldn't be suprised if MMM just deletes all his posts someday.
John Young Parkway in Orlando, Florida is six lanes both county and municipality maintained. However the latter is common on Long Island where Triple M reigns.
Santa Clara County G8 on Alamaden Expressway has six lane portions.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Well it's down to 1899 now. Wouldn't be suprised if MMM just deletes all his posts someday.
RGT, he went through a phase a month or two ago when he was also deleting posts - I think to get his post count down to the highest prime number under 1000 or something unusual like that. I wouldn't be surprised if his total post count - counting deleted posts - was north of 2500.
(Reply down to 1897. And his post count is down to 1860 and dropping.)
Quote from: dlsterner on March 05, 2023, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Well it's down to 1899 now. Wouldn't be suprised if MMM just deletes all his posts someday.
RGT, he went through a phase a month or two ago when he was also deleting posts - I think to get his post count down to the highest prime number under 1000 or something unusual like that. I wouldn't be surprised if his total post count - counting deleted posts - was north of 2500.
(And post count is down to 1860 and dropping like a rock)
The mods should disable MMM's post count temporarily as a punishment. I have mentioned before that I like the post counts and want them to stay, but with shit like this I feel like that would be appropriate. There is also precendent for that happening.The mods can set people's post counts to whatever they want.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Well it's down to 1899 now. Wouldn't be suprised if MMM just deletes all his posts someday.
1860 now (10:51 PM CST at time of writing). Over the previous 12 minutes, M^3 has deleted 39 posts. This means he is deleting 3.29 posts per minute! At this rate, he will have deleted all of his posts by 8:16 AM CST tomorrow morning (March 6th, Casmir Pulaski Day).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:55:49 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on March 05, 2023, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Well it's down to 1899 now. Wouldn't be suprised if MMM just deletes all his posts someday.
RGT, he went through a phase a month or two ago when he was also deleting posts - I think to get his post count down to the highest prime number under 1000 or something unusual like that. I wouldn't be surprised if his total post count - counting deleted posts - was north of 2500.
(And post count is down to 1860 and dropping like a rock)
The mods should disable MMM's post count temporarily as a punishment. I have mentioned before that I like the post counts and want them to stay, but with shit like this I feel like that would be appropriate. There is also precendent for that happening.The mods can set people's post counts to whatever they want.
Scott has changed it before to a fixed number. The issue is the user at hand is a weirdo about post numbers and burying what he perceives as bad posts.
Quote from: Hobart on March 05, 2023, 11:57:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
Well it's down to 1899 now. Wouldn't be suprised if MMM just deletes all his posts someday.
1860 now (10:51 PM CST at time of writing). Over the previous 12 minutes, M^3 has deleted 39 posts. This means he is deleting 3.29 posts per minute! At this rate, he will have deleted all of his posts by 8:16 AM CST tomorrow morning (March 6th, Casmir Pulaski Day).
Don't let MMM see this or he will do it.
It sort of rubs me the wrong way that users can remove their posts from days, weeks, or months ago. What they wrote is what they wrote. Others reacted to them and not seeing one side of the dialogue makes it a mystery to people looking at it later. If it creates an unfavorable impression of that user, that's a good warning for other people interacting them them.
Quote from: kkt on March 06, 2023, 12:46:04 AM
It sort of rubs me the wrong way that users can remove their posts from days, weeks, or months ago. What they wrote is what they wrote. Others reacted to them and not seeing one side of the dialogue makes it a mystery to people looking at it later. If it creates an unfavorable impression of that user, that's a good warning for other people interacting them them.
We've revoked the ability to delete posts from other users who abused the privilege before. The only reason I haven't started the process of doing the same for MMM is because his posts aren't worth the effort to save.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 01:05:20 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 06, 2023, 12:46:04 AM
It sort of rubs me the wrong way that users can remove their posts from days, weeks, or months ago. What they wrote is what they wrote. Others reacted to them and not seeing one side of the dialogue makes it a mystery to people looking at it later. If it creates an unfavorable impression of that user, that's a good warning for other people interacting them them.
We've revoked the ability to delete posts from other users who abused the privilege before. The only reason I haven't started the process of doing the same for MMM is because his posts aren't worth the effort to save.
And I also never do so in a way that interferes with conversations. And yes there were some posts I decided I didn't want to stay public or that I realized were ridiculous, so what's the issue? And as I've said some weren't deletions but merges to make the thread more readable, so the content is still there. Not deleting the original post that I edited into a previous one would be duplication, which is stupid.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
Not to beat a dead horse, but a few around MSP:
CSAH 17 (France Ave) in Edina/Bloomington between TH 62 and American Blvd (just south of I-494)
CSAH 81 (Bottineau Blvd) from Crystal to Osseo between TH 100 and US 169
CSAH 3 (Lake St) in uptown Minneapolis
I believe that even when a post is deleted, it's not actually deleted. It may not appear to us, but MODs can see the pre deleted post always if they open up a certain registry.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 06, 2023, 05:09:21 AM
I believe that even when a post is deleted, it's not actually deleted. It may not appear to us, but MODs can see the pre deleted post always if they open up a certain registry.
Only if we choose to preserve it at deletion time. We actually "delete" posts by moving them to a board that isn't displayed to non-admins. If we need to review or restore them, we can pull them from there. It is our policy to always do this.
If a post is actually deleted rather than moved to the trash board, it's more or less perma-gone unless Alex has a backup of it somewhere.
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
I won't bet, but my guess would be less.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 01:34:34 AM
And I also never do so in a way that interferes with conversations. And yes there were some posts I decided I didn't want to stay public or that I realized were ridiculous, so what's the issue?
Nice try. Any post that is responded to (quoted or not) and then deleted - which in your case is most of them - makes the thread harder to follow.
Like I've said before, I had experience with mass deletion of posts about five years ago, but I wasn't actively posting and deleting in the same thread at the same time. Even when I did the "make a post, delete a post" thing for a brief period, I was careful to start from my earliest posts and choose an old one to delete, often taking pains to find one that wasn't quoted or responded to.
In short: not recommended to mass delete posts in any capacity. At this point, I consider myself lucky to have retained post deletion privileges. I hardly ever do it now, but it is handy if you post something incorrect that can't be fixed with an edit, or post something and then think better of it (in those cases, though, it should be done as soon as possible).
Quote from: thspfc on March 05, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
This is reply 1911. I'm accepting bets: in 24 hours, will this thread have more or less than 1911 replies?
That post is now 1897, meaning that MMM has deleted at least 14 posts since last night.
Quote from: webny99 on March 06, 2023, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 01:34:34 AM
And I also never do so in a way that interferes with conversations. And yes there were some posts I decided I didn't want to stay public or that I realized were ridiculous, so what's the issue?
Nice try. Any post that is responded to (quoted or not) and then deleted - which in your case is most of them - makes the thread harder to follow.
Like I've said before, I had experience with mass deletion of posts about five years ago, but I wasn't actively posting and deleting in the same thread at the same time. Even when I did the "make a post, delete a post" thing for a brief period, I was careful to start from my earliest posts and choose an old one to delete, often taking pains to find one that wasn't quoted or responded to.
In short: not recommended to mass delete posts in any capacity. At this point, I consider myself lucky to have retained post deletion privileges. I hardly ever do it now, but it is handy if you post something incorrect that can't be fixed with an edit, or post something and then think better of it (in those cases, though, it should be done as soon as possible).
It's not that deep man. If a mod told me to stop doing it sure, but apparently they deleted ones aren't worth saving anyway for that purpose, so who cares? First people complain about my post count being too high and now people complain that's its too low? As for post deletions, I think the invisible thread people are referring to only applies to mods deleting users posts for being egregious or offensive, not the user deleting ok posts by choice that didn't break any rules. That sounds like an admin function, besides that wouldn't decrease the post count then either.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 11:50:55 AM
It's not that deep man. If a mod told me to stop doing it sure, but apparently they deleted ones aren't worth saving anyway for that purpose, so who cares?
You should care that you're posting stuff that isn't worth saving. That should be cause to think a little longer and harder before hitting "post".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 11:50:55 AM
First people complain about my post count being too high and now people complain that's its too low?
Yep, been there done that too. Nobody's complaining that it's too high or too low, they're complaining that it's become a focus point and perpetual discussion topic, which it wouldn't be if you didn't bring it up and emphasize it by deleting posts.
I never brought up or empathize deleting posts, I only asked which of my 2000 posts are bad or something, and then people reacted "oh but it's actually 1950 or whatever he must be deleting posts again". That's how it became a focal point. And if posts are captured in quotes then how is it disrupting anything? People reading it know what the person was replying to. Also, this thread has no main topic.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 12:14:41 PM
And if posts are captured in quotes then how is it disrupting anything? People reading it know what the person was replying to.
But not what order the posts were in unless you look very carefully at the timestamps.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 12:14:41 PM
empathize
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33013
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 10:20:38 PM
Here's some County routes in Long Island that are 6 lanes, and at some points a couple of them may widen to 8.
519 NY-110
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3fixbxZ7tLNh4BWo8
500 NY-27
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HgZ1QdJ513keMK6UA
1053 William Floyd Pkwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyS5QKE9v6cSM7rV8
Do you even know what a county road is?
Quote from: kirbykart on March 06, 2023, 01:23:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 10:20:38 PM
Here's some County routes in Long Island that are 6 lanes, and at some points a couple of them may widen to 8.
519 NY-110
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3fixbxZ7tLNh4BWo8
500 NY-27
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HgZ1QdJ513keMK6UA
1053 William Floyd Pkwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyS5QKE9v6cSM7rV8
Do you even know what a county road is?
The last on is maintained by Suffolk County.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 06:39:24 PM
In fact, here's my personal suggestion for post count tags:
0 = Parking Lot
1-9 = Dirt Road
10-99 = Unpaved Road
100-249=2 Lane undivided Road
250-499= 4 lane county Road
500-999=6 lane county Road
1000-1499= State Route
1500-1999 = US Route
2000-2499 = Cross Country US Route
2500-2999 = Interstate
3000-4999= Cross Country Interstate
5000-9999= Interstate 80
10,000+ = German Autobahn
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
Not uncommon in suburban but unincorporated areas out west. There's some gaps between cities in the Seattle area where the county has allowed for higher density and unfortunately wide roads (such as Airport Road near Everett).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on March 06, 2023, 01:23:52 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 05, 2023, 10:20:38 PM
Here's some County routes in Long Island that are 6 lanes, and at some points a couple of them may widen to 8.
519 NY-110
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3fixbxZ7tLNh4BWo8
500 NY-27
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HgZ1QdJ513keMK6UA
1053 William Floyd Pkwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyS5QKE9v6cSM7rV8
Do you even know what a county road is?
The last on is maintained by Suffolk County.
Ok, I didn't know that. But the point still stands for the first two examples, and I still don't believe MMM knows what a county road actually is.
Young kids and adolescents these days are the worst victims of ageism, social discrimination, and unfair lack of opportunities. What people fail to understand is that children are helpless. If a 3 year old is denied medical care because their parents are nutcases that don't believe in it, the kid is helpless and has no choice but to suffer. Stranding a 23 year old because you think they shouldn't be able to rent a car or causing a domestic violence victim to have nowhere to say because they are only 17/18 is actually harming them directly. All the other BS the media whines about is just for hurt feelings, whereas the things above are actually despicable and cause direct suffering. I'd argue ageism against both younger AND elderly people is the most violent, horrid, unconstitutional, baseless, disgusting, evil, unfounded, hateful form of bias possible.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:18:50 PM
Young kids and adolescents these days are the worst victims of ageism, social discrimination, and unfair lack of opportunities. What people fail to understand is that children are helpless. If a 3 year old is denied medical care because their parents are nutcases that don't believe in it, the kid is helpless and has no choice but to suffer. Stranding a 23 year old because you think they shouldn't be able to rent a car or causing a domestic violence victim to have nowhere to say because they are only 17/18 is actually harming them directly. All the other BS the media whines about is just for hurt feelings, whereas the things above are actually despicable and cause direct suffering. I'd argue ageism against both younger AND elderly people is the most violent, horrid, unconstitutional, baseless, disgusting, evil, unfounded, hateful form of bias possible.
You make some good points, but this is like saying that stubbing your toe hurts in the same way as breaking your bone. I agree with your core points but you don't seem to understand the nuances of the situation.
It's also the fact that child abuse penalties are some of the most lenient in this country, and that kids who commit crimes against adults get harsher penalties than adults who commit crimes against children. Take the Turpin kids, some of them were actually abused again by their new foster parents, again. Those parents are out on bail. Yet a 10 year old was recently held without bail just for making a threat online, without even doing anything. Adults get off with post partem depression claims when they drown their kids, yet when kids commit crimes, all the comments online are like: "Mental health is no excuse" "age is no excuse" "charge him as an adult", but people never say those things when a kid is the victim of an adult crime. So it's not just the bad luck of not being able to book a hotel (which again doesn't affect me as I am 23) it's on top of all the other BS adolescents and children have to go through. You really think it is a coincidence that 4 in 5 teens who have mental health issues are never given treatment, or that younger people have their sleep needs the most neglected? There was a guy who left his 2 twin toddlers in a car to slowly bake to death, he got charged with misdemeanor reckless endangerment and got no jail time. Yet a 13 year old who shot a gun into the air trying to scare cops off or something got charged with attempted murder. This is a pattern, it's not just random inequities in the criminal justice system. Kids are held to a higher standard for some bizarre reason yet are denied any of the adult rights and privileges that come with such a standard. It couldn't be anymore backward. I have contacted state governors, started petitions, sent messages to the White house multiple times, even drove around with signs taped on the windows of my car about these topics, to no avail.
Holy crap, try breaking your posts into paragraphs. These mega rants text blobs are unbearable to look at.
http://childrenshealthcare.org/?page_id=24
They are perfectly readable.
The United States is the only country to not have ratified the UN Child Rights Convention, even Somalia has ratified it. It is also one of the only countries to allow parents to use religion as an excuse to deprive kids of medical treatment without penalties ^
If this isn't a violation of civil rights, 14th amendment protections, and basic human rights, I don't know what is. Against no other class of people would an atrocity like that ^ be legal, only against kids for some reason.
How the fuck is this easily legible, especially on a phone?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
It's also the fact that child abuse penalties are some of the most lenient in this country, and that kids who commit crimes against adults get harsher oe allies than adults who commit crimes against children. Take the Turpin kids, some of them were actually abused again by their new foster parents, again. Those parents are out on bail. Yet a 10 year old was recently held without bail just for making a threat online, without even doing anything. Adults get off with post partem depression claims when they drown their kids, yet when kids commit crimes, all the comments online are like: "Mental health is no excuse" "age is no excuse" "charge him as an adult", but people never say those things when a kid is the victim of an adult crime. So it's not just the bad luck of not being able to book a hotel (which again doesn't affect me as I am 23) it's on top of all the other BS adolescents and children have to go through. You really think it is a coincidence that 4 in 5 teens who have mental health issues are never given treatment, or that younger people have their sleep needs the most neglected? There was a guy who left his 2 twin toddlers in a car to slowly bake to death, he got charged with misdemeanor reckless endangerment and got no jail time. Yet a 13 year old who shot a gun into the air trying to scare cops off or something got charged with attempted murder. This is a pattern, it's not just random inequities in the criminal justice system. Kids are held to a higher standard for some bizarre reason yet are denied any of the adult rights and privileges that come with such a standard. It couldn't be anymore backward. I have contacted state governors, started petitions, sent messages to the White house multiple times, even drove around with signs taped on the windows of my car about these topics, to no avail.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 06, 2023, 04:32:06 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 05, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Where are there 6 lane county roads (serious question)?
Not to beat a dead horse, but a few around MSP:
CSAH 17 (France Ave) in Edina/Bloomington between TH 62 and American Blvd (just south of I-494)
CSAH 81 (Bottineau Blvd) from Crystal to Osseo between TH 100 and US 169
CSAH 3 (Lake St) in uptown Minneapolis
CSAH 42 around I-35E/35W, too.
Oh and just because I can type 110 words a minute doesn't mean it's ranting. The stronger I feel about something, the higher my endurance for typing and reading faster.
I can type that fast also. I imagine several others are equally capable of typing just as fast. Thing is, many of use paragraph formats to make what we type easier for the reader to digest. What you are doing might be a lot of words, but it is not good writing.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:45:10 PM
http://childrenshealthcare.org/?page_id=24
They are perfectly readable.
The United States is the only country to not have ratified the UN Child Rights Convention, even Somalia has ratified it. It is also one of the only countries to allow parents to use religion as an excuse to deprive kids of medical treatment without penalties ^
If this isn't a violation of civil rights, 14th amendment protections, and basic human rights, I don't know what is. Against no other class of people would an atrocity like that ^ be legal, only against kids for some reason.
Here's the difference. The US doesn't ratify these treaties, other countries ratify them and simply break them. Many countries who have ratified these treaties use child labor.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 04:04:08 PM
I can type that fast also. I imagine several others are equally capable of typing just as fast. Thing is, many of use paragraph formats to make what we type easier for the reader to digest. What you are doing might be a lot of words, but it is not good writing.
Fine, I'll type in paragraphs then.
@RGT, But the kids of things I posted would never be tolerated in countries like Sweden, Germany, Norway. Those countries also ban corporal punishment of kids, which is a no-brainer yet the US has such an issue doing that for some reason. We worry more about the 3 mins of pain a sadistic killer might feel being executed, but inflicting pain on kids/teens for far less reasons is actually a debate!
I mean, it could not get any more backward. The US has been criticized by other countries multiple times for things like this, and then reactions like mine in the heat of the moment are used to further justifying avirsm against my age group/younger people, which is circular reasoning. Even Obama called the failure to ratify the UNCRC an "embarassment" but yet failed to get it sent to the senate.
The reasons for opposition against it aren't simply "we might end up breaking it so there's no point". The reasons were cited as "violation of parental rights" "religious reasons", legal jargon about minors entering contracts", and the fear of parents not being able to discipline their kids (which is a total misconception). Point being if essentially every other UN member signed and ratified it, why dont we ratify it, we only signed it, which means we legally do not have to follow it. And the irony is that the US played a huge role in the original drafting of it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 04:04:08 PM
I can type that fast also. I imagine several others are equally capable of typing just as fast. Thing is, many of use paragraph formats to make what we type easier for the reader to digest. What you are doing might be a lot of words, but it is not good writing.
Fine, I'll type in paragraphs then.
@RGT, But the kids of things I posted would never be tolerated in countries like Sweden, Germany, Norway. Those countries also ban corporal punishment of kids, which is a no-brainer yet the US has such an issue doing that for some reason. We worry more about the 3 mins of pain a sadistic killer might feel being executed, but inflicting pain on kids/teens for far less reasons is actually a debate!
I mean, it could not get any more backward. The US has been criticized by other countries multiple times for things like this, and then reactions like mine in the heat of the moment are used to further justifying avirsm against my age group/younger people, which is circular reasoning. Even Obama called the failure to ratify the UNCRC an "embarassment" but yet failed to get it sent to the senate.
The reasons for opposition against it aren't simply "we might end up breaking it so there's no point". The reasons were cited as "violation of parental rights" "religious reasons", legal jargon about minors entering contracts", and the fear of parents not being able to discipline their kids (which is a total misconception). Point being if essentially every other UN member signed and ratified it, why dont we ratify it, we only signed it, which means we legally do not have to follow it. And the irony is that the US played a huge role in the original drafting of it.
The Senate needs 2/3 of the vote to ratify international treaties. You couldn't get 2/3 of the senate to agree that water is wet. And a certain political party is against a lot of it. I do think that the US should
follow the treaty. I'm just saying that not all the countries that have ratified the treaty follow it, so it's not like you can say that the US is worse than every single country that has ratified the treaty.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 04:04:08 PM
I can type that fast also. I imagine several others are equally capable of typing just as fast. Thing is, many of use paragraph formats to make what we type easier for the reader to digest. What you are doing might be a lot of words, but it is not good writing.
Fine, I'll type in paragraphs then.
@RGT, But the kids of things I posted would never be tolerated in countries like Sweden, Germany, Norway. Those countries also ban corporal punishment of kids, which is a no-brainer yet the US has such an issue doing that for some reason. We worry more about the 3 mins of pain a sadistic killer might feel being executed, but inflicting pain on kids/teens for far less reasons is actually a debate!
I mean, it could not get any more backward. The US has been criticized by other countries multiple times for things like this, and then reactions like mine in the heat of the moment are used to further justifying avirsm against my age group/younger people, which is circular reasoning. Even Obama called the failure to ratify the UNCRC an "embarassment" but yet failed to get it sent to the senate.
The reasons for opposition against it aren't simply "we might end up breaking it so there's no point". The reasons were cited as "violation of parental rights" "religious reasons", legal jargon about minors entering contracts", and the fear of parents not being able to discipline their kids (which is a total misconception). Point being if essentially every other UN member signed and ratified it, why dont we ratify it, we only signed it, which means we legally do not have to follow it. And the irony is that the US played a huge role in the original drafting of it.
The Senate needs 2/3 of the vote to ratify international treaties. You couldn't get 2/3 of the senate to agree that water is wet. And a certain political party is against a lot of it. I do think that the US should follow the treaty. I'm just saying that not all the countries that have ratified the treaty follow it, so it's not like you can say that the US is worse than every single country that has ratified the treaty.
Meanwhile, NY state being as blue as sky discusses banning corporal punishment in schools. In other news - first quarter of 21st century is ending soon...
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
It's also the fact that child abuse penalties are some of the most lenient in this country, and that kids who commit crimes against adults get harsher oe allies than adults who commit crimes against children. Take the Turpin kids, some of them were actually abused again by their new foster parents, again. Those parents are out on bail. Yet a 10 year old was recently held without bail just for making a threat online, without even doing anything. Adults get off with post partem depression claims when they drown their kids, yet when kids commit crimes, all the comments online are like: "Mental health is no excuse" "age is no excuse" "charge him as an adult", but people never say those things when a kid is the victim of an adult crime. So it's not just the bad luck of not being able to book a hotel (which again doesn't affect me as I am 23) it's on top of all the other BS adolescents and children have to go through. You really think it is a coincidence that 4 in 5 teens who have mental health issues are never given treatment, or that younger people have their sleep needs the most neglected? There was a guy who left his 2 twin toddlers in a car to slowly bake to death, he got charged with misdemeanor reckless endangerment and got no jail time. Yet a 13 year old who shot a gun into the air trying to scare cops off or something got charged with attempted murder. This is a pattern, it's not just random inequities in the criminal justice system. Kids are held to a higher standard for some bizarre reason yet are denied any of the adult rights and privileges that come with such a standard. It couldn't be anymore backward. I have contacted state governors, started petitions, sent messages to the White house multiple times, even drove around with signs taped on the windows of my car about these topics, to no avail.
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Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2023, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
It's also the fact that child abuse penalties are some of the most lenient in this country, and that kids who commit crimes against adults get harsher oe allies than adults who commit crimes against children. Take the Turpin kids, some of them were actually abused again by their new foster parents, again. Those parents are out on bail. Yet a 10 year old was recently held without bail just for making a threat online, without even doing anything. Adults get off with post partem depression claims when they drown their kids, yet when kids commit crimes, all the comments online are like: "Mental health is no excuse" "age is no excuse" "charge him as an adult", but people never say those things when a kid is the victim of an adult crime. So it's not just the bad luck of not being able to book a hotel (which again doesn't affect me as I am 23) it's on top of all the other BS adolescents and children have to go through. You really think it is a coincidence that 4 in 5 teens who have mental health issues are never given treatment, or that younger people have their sleep needs the most neglected? There was a guy who left his 2 twin toddlers in a car to slowly bake to death, he got charged with misdemeanor reckless endangerment and got no jail time. Yet a 13 year old who shot a gun into the air trying to scare cops off or something got charged with attempted murder. This is a pattern, it's not just random inequities in the criminal justice system. Kids are held to a higher standard for some bizarre reason yet are denied any of the adult rights and privileges that come with such a standard. It couldn't be anymore backward. I have contacted state governors, started petitions, sent messages to the White house multiple times, even drove around with signs taped on the windows of my car about these topics, to no avail.
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I think that MMM's points here make more sense than most of his other points. I think that it does deserve some reasoning with.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2023, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
It's also the fact that child abuse penalties are some of the most lenient in this country, and that kids who commit crimes against adults get harsher oe allies than adults who commit crimes against children. Take the Turpin kids, some of them were actually abused again by their new foster parents, again. Those parents are out on bail. Yet a 10 year old was recently held without bail just for making a threat online, without even doing anything. Adults get off with post partem depression claims when they drown their kids, yet when kids commit crimes, all the comments online are like: "Mental health is no excuse" "age is no excuse" "charge him as an adult", but people never say those things when a kid is the victim of an adult crime. So it's not just the bad luck of not being able to book a hotel (which again doesn't affect me as I am 23) it's on top of all the other BS adolescents and children have to go through. You really think it is a coincidence that 4 in 5 teens who have mental health issues are never given treatment, or that younger people have their sleep needs the most neglected? There was a guy who left his 2 twin toddlers in a car to slowly bake to death, he got charged with misdemeanor reckless endangerment and got no jail time. Yet a 13 year old who shot a gun into the air trying to scare cops off or something got charged with attempted murder. This is a pattern, it's not just random inequities in the criminal justice system. Kids are held to a higher standard for some bizarre reason yet are denied any of the adult rights and privileges that come with such a standard. It couldn't be anymore backward. I have contacted state governors, started petitions, sent messages to the White house multiple times, even drove around with signs taped on the windows of my car about these topics, to no avail.
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I think that MMM's points here make more sense than most of his other points. I think that it does deserve some reasoning with.
That's the paragraph symbol.
It's to point out "I ain't reading that wall of text" even if it was written by Shakespeare.
Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2023, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 04:04:08 PM
I can type that fast also. I imagine several others are equally capable of typing just as fast. Thing is, many of use paragraph formats to make what we type easier for the reader to digest. What you are doing might be a lot of words, but it is not good writing.
Fine, I'll type in paragraphs then.
@RGT, But the kids of things I posted would never be tolerated in countries like Sweden, Germany, Norway. Those countries also ban corporal punishment of kids, which is a no-brainer yet the US has such an issue doing that for some reason. We worry more about the 3 mins of pain a sadistic killer might feel being executed, but inflicting pain on kids/teens for far less reasons is actually a debate!
I mean, it could not get any more backward. The US has been criticized by other countries multiple times for things like this, and then reactions like mine in the heat of the moment are used to further justifying avirsm against my age group/younger people, which is circular reasoning. Even Obama called the failure to ratify the UNCRC an "embarassment" but yet failed to get it sent to the senate.
The reasons for opposition against it aren't simply "we might end up breaking it so there's no point". The reasons were cited as "violation of parental rights" "religious reasons", legal jargon about minors entering contracts", and the fear of parents not being able to discipline their kids (which is a total misconception). Point being if essentially every other UN member signed and ratified it, why dont we ratify it, we only signed it, which means we legally do not have to follow it. And the irony is that the US played a huge role in the original drafting of it.
The Senate needs 2/3 of the vote to ratify international treaties. You couldn't get 2/3 of the senate to agree that water is wet. And a certain political party is against a lot of it. I do think that the US should follow the treaty. I'm just saying that not all the countries that have ratified the treaty follow it, so it's not like you can say that the US is worse than every single country that has ratified the treaty.
Meanwhile, NY state being as blue as sky discusses banning corporal punishment in schools. In other news - first quarter of 21st century is ending soon...
Hitting an adult is assault.
Hitting a 30 pound child is "discipline".
See the problem?
Here's a simple flowchart that went as follows to show how stupid hitting kids is:
"Is your child old enough to understand reason?
If Yes ---> then use reason--->stop hitting your child, asshole.
If No --> then the child won't understand why you are striking them ---> stop hitting your child, asshole."
Things like this almost make me proud to be a NYer even though it sucks in so many other ways.
I support making corporal punishment of children illegal. No way should it be allowed (especially not in schools), although I imagine that in the home it would be hard to enforce. Some states have it legal in private schools but not in public schools, which is wack.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 04:56:48 PM
I support making corporal punishment of children illegal. No way should it be allowed (especially not in schools), although I imagine that in the home it would be hard to enforce. Some states have it legal in private schools but not in public schools, which is wack.
We live in a state that house the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center. Not only are our state's laws or alleged culture useless in this case, I once argued via e-mail with a state rep about his covering their ass over the stuff they were doing because he was defending it.
For those that don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Rotenberg_Educational_Center
Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2023, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 04:56:48 PM
I support making corporal punishment of children illegal. No way should it be allowed (especially not in schools), although I imagine that in the home it would be hard to enforce. Some states have it legal in private schools but not in public schools, which is wack.
We live in a state that house the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center. Not only are our state's laws or alleged culture useless in this case, I once argued via e-mail with a state rep about his covering their ass over the stuff they were doing because he was defending it.
For those that don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Rotenberg_Educational_Center
This place NEEDS to be shut down. Fucking embarrasing that the state government hasn't done anything about it yet.
The "ranch" as well mentioned in the Dr. Phil show needs to be shut down and the workers arrested. Literally organized child kidnapping/sick abuse.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 11:50:55 AM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 01:34:34 AM
And I also never do so in a way that interferes with conversations. And yes there were some posts I decided I didn't want to stay public or that I realized were ridiculous, so what's the issue?
Nice try. Any post that is responded to (quoted or not) and then deleted - which in your case is most of them - makes the thread harder to follow.
Like I've said before, I had experience with mass deletion of posts about five years ago, but I wasn't actively posting and deleting in the same thread at the same time. Even when I did the "make a post, delete a post" thing for a brief period, I was careful to start from my earliest posts and choose an old one to delete, often taking pains to find one that wasn't quoted or responded to.
In short: not recommended to mass delete posts in any capacity. At this point, I consider myself lucky to have retained post deletion privileges. I hardly ever do it now, but it is handy if you post something incorrect that can't be fixed with an edit, or post something and then think better of it (in those cases, though, it should be done as soon as possible).
It's not that deep man. If a mod told me to stop doing it sure
Knock it off.
No Problem.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 05:27:19 PM
The "ranch" as well mentioned in the Dr. Phil show needs to be shut down and the workers arrested. Literally organized child kidnapping/sick abuse.
Dr. Phil needs to be arrested for being Dr. Phil. The practice of being Dr. Phil should be illegal.
I fully agree. He technically lost his licenses anyway, so am not sure how he is still even allowed to broadcast. He literally had a 15 year old girl forcibly taken from her home at 3 am one time because she didn't want to appear on the show.
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
Wesley Crusher needs a little bit of Goerge Santos personality to balance out his over-cliche perfect characterization. Wesley gives so much to the crew and is never appreciated. I would love a star trek series where he is the captain if a smaller federation ship.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 06:09:53 PM
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
If I could change my vote I would change from George Santos to Wesley Crusher. By all accounts, George Santos seems to have no problem getting laid.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 06:09:53 PM
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
If I could change my vote I would change from George Santos to Wesley Crusher. By all accounts, George Santos seems to have no problem getting laid.
You're an admin. You can change the settings on the poll.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 06:09:53 PM
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
If I could change my vote I would change from George Santos to Wesley Crusher. By all accounts, George Santos seems to have no problem getting laid.
Well if it's Santos claiming it the claim may need some light fact-checking at minimum.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 06, 2023, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 06:09:53 PM
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
If I could change my vote I would change from George Santos to Wesley Crusher. By all accounts, George Santos seems to have no problem getting laid.
You're an admin. You can change the settings on the poll.
Additional option added for that perfect balance of Wesley Crusher and George Santos.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2023, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 06:09:53 PM
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
If I could change my vote I would change from George Santos to Wesley Crusher. By all accounts, George Santos seems to have no problem getting laid.
Well if it's Santos claiming it the claim may need some light fact-checking at minimum.
I seem to remember that people have identified themselves as ex-boyfriends of his. Corroborates it enough for the extent that I care.
I voted for Wesley Crusher, but had to look him up in Wikipedia to figure out who he was.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 06, 2023, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 06, 2023, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2023, 06:09:53 PM
Wesley Crusher and George Santos are now tied. At one point Wesley Crusher was four back to George Santos, suffice to say that was one hell of a comeback. The question is, can Wesley close out the win or will he be told to "shut up?"
If I could change my vote I would change from George Santos to Wesley Crusher. By all accounts, George Santos seems to have no problem getting laid.
Well if it's Santos claiming it the claim may need some light fact-checking at minimum.
I seem to remember that people have identified themselves as ex-boyfriends of his. Corroborates it enough for the extent that I care.
True, I guess anyone who would admit it is probably not lying. :-D
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
He hasn't logged in once today.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 07, 2023, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
He hasn't logged in once today.
Scott must of reprimanded him or he found something better to do for himself like getting a life.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 07, 2023, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
He hasn't logged in once today.
And he has less posts than he did yesterday.
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 07, 2023, 09:55:44 AM
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Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
He hasn't logged in once today.
And he has less posts than he did yesterday.
Guys it isn't even 10 AM on the east coast. Do you really think triple M would be up that early?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 07, 2023, 09:55:44 AM
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Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
He hasn't logged in once today.
And he has less posts than he did yesterday.
Guys it isn't even 10 AM on the east coast. Do you really think triple M would be up that early?
He doesn't have school or work, no reason for him to be up that early.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:06:33 AM
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Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Wow MMM must be in bed. This thread is been silent all night and all morning.
He hasn't logged in once today.
And he has less posts than he did yesterday.
Guys it isn't even 10 AM on the east coast. Do you really think triple M would be up that early?
He doesn't have school or work, no reason for him to be up that early.
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I seem to recall him saying also posted while driving also. Or was he inferring he only posted while stopped in traffic? Either way, I would expect to hear from him by now if he was awake and on the road.
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I've done that before but not while actually moving down the street, I'll pull over and stop and then make a post and move on.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I seem to recall him saying also posted while driving also. Or was he inferring he only posted while stopped in traffic? Either way, I would expect to hear from him by now if he was awake and on the road.
That sounds illegal
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I seem to recall him saying also posted while driving also. Or was he inferring he only posted while stopped in traffic? Either way, I would expect to hear from him by now if he was awake and on the road.
That sounds illegal
If we are going to bring Morshu into this thread we ought to bring the other Zelda CDi memes when the occasion calls for it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I seem to recall him saying also posted while driving also. Or was he inferring he only posted while stopped in traffic? Either way, I would expect to hear from him by now if he was awake and on the road.
That sounds illegal
I think it really is but if you hit the speak now button and talk it's really not that hard. I like doing it because I can just talk and not have to type anything.
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 07, 2023, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I seem to recall him saying also posted while driving also. Or was he inferring he only posted while stopped in traffic? Either way, I would expect to hear from him by now if he was awake and on the road.
That sounds illegal
I think it really is but if you hit the speak now button and talk it's really not that hard. I like doing it because I can just talk and not have to type anything.
I often find that text to speech messes up what I'm trying to say.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 07, 2023, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 07, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:17:20 AM
He has roads to drive and he's wasting time. Don't forget he's after that multiple million mile mark.
He's said before that he posts to this forum while driving as long as he's stopped.
I seem to recall him saying also posted while driving also. Or was he inferring he only posted while stopped in traffic? Either way, I would expect to hear from him by now if he was awake and on the road.
That sounds illegal
I think it really is but if you hit the speak now button and talk it's really not that hard. I like doing it because I can just talk and not have to type anything.
I often find that text to speech messes up what I'm trying to say.
Yeah there's lots of times I have to go back and correct it because it messed something up. Then there's times I'll go ahead and make the post and not realize that I had anything messed up.
Don't trust technology. I had to argue with spell correct to spell Ponce as it would change it to pounce.
It's taken up to 10 red lights to finish one post! The talk-in used to work but doesn't really anymore.
Hey he's up.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 12:39:16 PM
Don't trust technology. I had to argue with spell correct to spell Ponce as it would change it to pounce.
I've noticed that my iPhone is very reluctant to change capitalized words, either correct to incorrect or incorrect to correct, with four exceptions:
1. It's the first word of a sentence rather than a proper noun. And it's semi-reluctant in this case rather than normal.
2. The word you're trying to type appears earlier on the page, and you're mistyping it. (This one is typically beneficial.)
3. It's close enough to a capitalized word you type quite often.
4. It's a word that just happens to be capitalized but can be found in the dictionary, such as September or Wednesday.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 12:39:32 PM
It's taken up to 10 red lights to finish one post! The talk-in used to work but doesn't really anymore.
Ooh, incriminating yourself. Good one.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 12:40:41 PM
Hey he's up.
He should go back to bed. I might do so, tbh.
I guess he gets an allowance from his kin hence his travel expenses for going around driving.
I feel better when I'm driving sometimes.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 07, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 12:39:32 PM
It's taken up to 10 red lights to finish one post! The talk-in used to work but doesn't really anymore.
Ooh, incriminating yourself. Good one.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 12:40:41 PM
Hey he's up.
He should go back to bed. I might do so, tbh.
Its not illegal to use your phone at an intersection when stopped. No cop even in NY would "pull you over" for that.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 02:34:34 PM
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 12:39:32 PM
It's taken up to 10 red lights to finish one post! The talk-in used to work but doesn't really anymore.
Ooh, incriminating yourself. Good one.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 12:40:41 PM
Hey he's up.
He should go back to bed. I might do so, tbh.
Its not illegal to use your phone at an intersection when stopped. No cop even in NY would "pull you over" for that.
I don't trust that you stop writing when the light turns green.
Yes I do, I don't even think I've gotten honked at a result of typing. Maybe from being distracted by other things but not the forum. Hence, taking 10+ red lights per post.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 07, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 12:39:32 PM
It's taken up to 10 red lights to finish one post! The talk-in used to work but doesn't really anymore.
Ooh, incriminating yourself. Good one.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 12:40:41 PM
Hey he's up.
He should go back to bed. I might do so, tbh.
Its not illegal to use your phone at an intersection when stopped. No cop even in NY would "pull you over" for that.
If it was an especially mean cop, they are allowed to ticket you for that and assess points; there is no clause for stopping at an intersection in the law as given by the New York Department of Motor Vehicles! It's actually considered a common misconception that you're allowed to use your phone at an intersection while stopped; in New York State, you can't even use a phone while driving unless it's a hands free device.
Also fun fact, while going on this rabbit hole, I learned that Montana has no restrictions on cell phone use while driving. None.
Who said I don't use it hands free? Ever heard of a phone holder? You are required to stop at red lights SMH
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 06, 2023, 03:18:50 PM
Young kids and adolescents these days are the worst victims of ageism, social discrimination, and unfair lack of opportunities. What people fail to understand is that children are helpless. If a 3 year old is denied medical care because their parents are nutcases that don't believe in it, the kid is helpless and has no choice but to suffer. Stranding a 23 year old because you think they shouldn't be able to rent a car or causing a domestic violence victim to have nowhere to say because they are only 17/18 is actually harming them directly. All the other BS the media whines about is just for hurt feelings, whereas the things above are actually despicable and cause direct suffering. I'd argue ageism against both younger AND elderly people is the most violent, horrid, unconstitutional, baseless, disgusting, evil, unfounded, hateful form of bias possible.
Oh woe is me.
I might have to do some work to get to do what I want.
One shouldnt have to do extra work an average person doesn't have to because of their age. That's not bad luck or a bad life circumstance, that is discrimination, plain and simple. People thinking I'm just ranting about the hotel's, when in fact 99% of basic independent things in life require you to be 18, which essentially makes you a prisoner in your own hoke until you are that magic age.
1. Can't even decide to live alone even if you have the resources to do so, your parents could call the cops and have you arrested/forcibly returned for running away
2. Can't seek medical care unless your parents agree. (Now alot of states make exceptions for contraception related stuff, but that is purely political and they don't give a damn about the kids rights)
3. Can't sue for violation of your rights unless an adult represents you and/or your parents agree.
4. Can't REFUSE invasive/experimental/unwanted medical care if you are under 18 (that Cassandra girl forced to have chemotherapy because she was 17)
5. Can't access or open a bank account for your own money until 21 even though you can make said money as early as 14.
6. Can't travel unrestricted in some states
7. Can't obtain your own prescription medications unless your parents/guardians sign off. M
8. Exceptions for assault laws are made in the name of "discipline".
Essentially you are property, a prisoner, less of a person in every aspect of life, which is disgusting and the definition of humans rights violations. And I don't care how good the conditions of your home life are, a prison is still a prison. All of the above wouldn't be acceptable against any other class of people for ANY reason, except younger people. Even death row prisoners have more guaranteed rights.
Man, I hated being a kid too especially feeling like a target for miserable adults looking to do all the awful things they couldn't/wouldn't do to other adults, but I never felt like a prisoner.
Prisoner isn't a good analogy, because you have more rights in prison, to medical care, lawyers, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment..etc
Bank account no earlier being 21? Is that a thing in some states?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:07:07 PM
Prisoner isn't a good analogy, because you have more rights in prison, to medical care, lawyers, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment..etc
Do you have parent issues?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 06:09:20 PM
Bank account no earlier being 21? Is that a thing in some states?
You should be able to use your money how you like the second you start earning it, end of story, even an age limit of 18, or 16 is unreasonable if the working age is 14. With the exception of large scale gambling, a 14 year old should even be allowed to buy lottery tickets.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 06:09:20 PM
Bank account no earlier being 21? Is that a thing in some states?
You should be able to use your money how you like the second you start earning it, end of story, even an age limit of 18, or 16 is unreasonable if the working age is 14. With the exception of large scale gambling, a 14 year old should even be allowed to buy lottery tickets.
Okay sure, but where are you prohibited from establishing your own bank account when you're 18? I walked right into BofA when I turned 18 and opened up a checking account for myself.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:07:07 PM
Prisoner isn't a good analogy, because you have more rights in prison, to medical care, lawyers, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment..etc
Do you have parent issues?
No, my parents are my friends and never once treated me like less of a person. That's another reason why it's so surprising how many people claim their parents aren't like that. My parents agree with me on most of these issues. It is flaming hypocrisy, and they realized even before I did how appalling it is to trivialize children's rights, but for people to obsess over every word, movie, logo, or brand of pancake syrup that's deemed "offensive". Society has its priorities totally screwed up and it does not have to be that way. People are choosing not to be reasonable, its not just a "life aint fair" thing. Dropping your phone in a sewer, spilling something on your computer, running out of gas faster than you thought, some guy being a random dickhead and cursing you out for bumping into him on the street, thats where the "life aint fair" thing applies. If anything, they strengthened my views, not "caused" them.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 06:22:03 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 06:09:20 PM
Bank account no earlier being 21? Is that a thing in some states?
You should be able to use your money how you like the second you start earning it, end of story, even an age limit of 18, or 16 is unreasonable if the working age is 14. With the exception of large scale gambling, a 14 year old should even be allowed to buy lottery tickets.
Okay sure, but where are you prohibited from establishing your own bank account when you're 18? I walked right into BofA when I turned 18 and opened up a checking account for myself.
Again with the 18 crap, if you can work at
14, you should be able to access your own money at
14
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 06:22:03 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 06:09:20 PM
Bank account no earlier being 21? Is that a thing in some states?
You should be able to use your money how you like the second you start earning it, end of story, even an age limit of 18, or 16 is unreasonable if the working age is 14. With the exception of large scale gambling, a 14 year old should even be allowed to buy lottery tickets.
Okay sure, but where are you prohibited from establishing your own bank account when you're 18? I walked right into BofA when I turned 18 and opened up a checking account for myself.
Again with the 18 crap, if you can work at 14, you should be able to access your own money at 14
Please explain your statement then, you said 21 and not 18:
5. Can't access or open a bank account for your own money until 21 even though you can make said money as early as 14.
Custodial bank accounts are all 21 by default, and not all standard bank accounts are openable at 18. One of those things that varies by states.
Okay, that's what I was trying to clarify. Which states are you referring?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
5. Can't access or open a bank account for your own money until 21 even though you can make said money as early as 14.
What? I've had the same bank account since I was 6. They didn't let me have a debit card until I was 18, but I was more than welcome to write checks. (Which I did a lot when I was in college at age 17.)
My mom's name was on the account too, but I had no problems accessing the account without her. The tellers didn't bat an eye, I just said what I wanted to do (which was normally deposit coins) and they did it.
BTW, George Santos is back in the lead 9-8 over Wesley Crusher.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 07, 2023, 06:32:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
5. Can't access or open a bank account for your own money until 21 even though you can make said money as early as 14.
What? I've had the same bank account since I was 6. They didn't let me have a debit card until I was 18, but I was more than welcome to write checks. (Which I did a lot when I was in college at age 17.)
My mom's name was on the account too, but I had no problems accessing the account without her. The tellers didn't bat an eye, I just said what I wanted to do (which was normally deposit coins) and they did it.
Could you withdraw?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 07, 2023, 06:32:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
5. Can't access or open a bank account for your own money until 21 even though you can make said money as early as 14.
What? I've had the same bank account since I was 6. They didn't let me have a debit card until I was 18, but I was more than welcome to write checks. (Which I did a lot when I was in college at age 17.)
My mom's name was on the account too, but I had no problems accessing the account without her. The tellers didn't bat an eye, I just said what I wanted to do (which was normally deposit coins) and they did it.
Could you withdraw?
(Insert obvious joke)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 07, 2023, 06:32:41 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
5. Can't access or open a bank account for your own money until 21 even though you can make said money as early as 14.
What? I've had the same bank account since I was 6. They didn't let me have a debit card until I was 18, but I was more than welcome to write checks. (Which I did a lot when I was in college at age 17.)
My mom's name was on the account too, but I had no problems accessing the account without her. The tellers didn't bat an eye, I just said what I wanted to do (which was normally deposit coins) and they did it.
Could you withdraw?
Yes? I just rarely did because I liked seeing the number in the account get bigger. But once I started working and wanting to get money out to (unsuccessfully) impress girls they had no problem handing me however much cash I wanted, even without my mom there.
https://pocketsense.com/rules-regarding-minors-bank-accounts-14806.html
Well according to this, the only type of savings account a minor can open has to be custodial, and they can only access a custodial account at either 18 or 21. Maybe they changed the rules.
Sometimes websites are wrong.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 07:20:16 PM
https://pocketsense.com/rules-regarding-minors-bank-accounts-14806.html
Well according to this, the only type of savings account a minor can open has to be custodial, and they can only access a custodial account at either 18 or 21. Maybe they changed the rules.
chase can open an account for 18 year old without parents:
https://www.chase.com/personal/banking/education/basics/can-a-teenager-open-a-bank-account
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 07:20:16 PM
https://pocketsense.com/rules-regarding-minors-bank-accounts-14806.html
Well according to this, the only type of savings account a minor can open has to be custodial, and they can only access a custodial account at either 18 or 21. Maybe they changed the rules.
chase can open an account for 18 year old without parents:
https://www.chase.com/personal/banking/education/basics/can-a-teenager-open-a-bank-account
I mean, the solution to that is to not use Chase.
https://www.tinkerfcu.org/savings/saveables-kids-club/
Apparently they will give debit cards to 13-year-olds now.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 07, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
I mean, the solution to that is to not use Chase.
https://www.tinkerfcu.org/savings/saveables-kids-club/
Apparently they will give debit cards to 13-year-olds now.
MMM's issue here is that parent's content is required until 18 years old.
We opened a custodial account for my kid when kid was 15 or so... kid has an ATM card and full access to it. The account also shows up when I sign on to online banking, which is handy for being able to move money to kid's account without a wait for it to clear.
It's a parent's job to make sure their kid under 18 is spending their money reasonably. Usually that's agreeing with what the kid wants, sometimes it's saying no with an explanation. Buying a bunch of lottery tickets would be in the "no with an explanation" territory for me.
@Kalvado
Yes, and with everything. You could be screaming in pain in a hospital bed right in front of the doctors after an accident, and a parent will have to sign off on giving you sedation/Strong Pain Killers/IVs..etc. There was an episode of "Untold Stories of the ER" where some 4 year old girl fell on a cactus, was impaled with cactus thorns all over her body, and the doctor strongly suggested sedation..the parents refused, so the little girl had to suffer for hours as the doctors used tape to rip off a few hundred at a time out of her bare skin. The parents made her suffer through the whole thing, and if it were a 17 year old begging for the pain killers/sedation, his/her voice wouldn't have mattered. You people are right, these hotel/gambling/bank account technicalities are nothing compared to the extreme cases of this, but they are the symptom of the same problem. Whatever your opinions of these lesser things are, age limits for all medical decisions need to be abolished entirely, no exceptions, for both receiving AND refusing, any medical care/Psychiatric treatment/prescription medication, contraception, and vaccines.
Quote from: kkt on March 07, 2023, 07:52:25 PM
We opened a custodial account for my kid when kid was 15 or so... kid has an ATM card and full access to it. The account also shows up when I sign on to online banking, which is handy for being able to move money to kid's account without a wait for it to clear.
It's a parent's job to make sure their kid under 18 is spending their money reasonably. Usually that's agreeing with what the kid wants, sometimes it's saying no with an explanation. Buying a bunch of lottery tickets would be in the "no with an explanation" territory for me.
And that is exactly what MMM sees as discrimination. Why do you think you have a right to say "no", with - or without - an explanation?
I certainly think that even 18 is to early for some people (and maybe too late for others), but that is definitely a question any teen may ask.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 07:59:07 PM
@Kalvado
Yes, and with everything. You could be screaming in pain in a hospital bed right in front of the doctors after an accident, and a parent will have to sign off on giving you sedation/Strong Pain Killers/IVs..etc. There was an episode of "Untold Stories of the ER" where some 4 year old girl fell on a cactus, was impaled with cactus thorns all over her body, and the doctor strongly suggested sedation..the parents refused, so the little girl had to suffer for hours as the doctors used tape to rip off a few hundred at a time out of her bare skin. The parents made her suffer through the whole thing, and if it were a 17 year old begging for the pain killers/sedation, his/her voice wouldn't have mattered. You people are right, these hotel/gambling/bank account technicalities are nothing compared to the extreme cases of this, but they are the symptom of the same problem. Whatever your opinions of these lesser things are, age limits for all medical decisions need to be abolished entirely, no exceptions, for both receiving AND refusing, any medical care/Psychiatric treatment/prescription medication, contraception, and vaccines.
A very good question. I wonder what was the motivation given by those parents.
Anyone under 18 can't buy a ticket anyway, but if it were legal, that's a Grey area. I buy one mega and one powerball ticket a month, is that unreasonable? I don't think it would have been any more or less reasonable had I been doing that when I was 14. But since they can't anyway regardless of what the parent says, it's not like that would even become an issue. Some things are just so simple you don't need every single synapse of your brain fully developed to understand. It's severe issues like medical autonomy that's the problem. But even lesser issues such as renting a car, could become severe if the person may be stranded without one. In those cases they should make an exception for the 23 year old.
I don't know the reason, one wasn't given in the video I saw of the account. Either,
1. Fear of potential risks of sedation
2. Religious Reasons
Note that even for a fear of risks, that doesn't justify forcing someone to suffer. The doctor looked like he was trying to hold back busting the parents heads in, but legally couldn't deviate from their "no". Probably the reason that story made it into the series, not the accident itself.
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 07, 2023, 07:52:25 PM
We opened a custodial account for my kid when kid was 15 or so... kid has an ATM card and full access to it. The account also shows up when I sign on to online banking, which is handy for being able to move money to kid's account without a wait for it to clear.
It's a parent's job to make sure their kid under 18 is spending their money reasonably. Usually that's agreeing with what the kid wants, sometimes it's saying no with an explanation. Buying a bunch of lottery tickets would be in the "no with an explanation" territory for me.
And that is exactly what MMM sees as discrimination. Why do you think you have a right to say "no", with - or without - an explanation?
I certainly think that even 18 is to early for some people (and maybe too late for others), but that is definitely a question any teen may ask.
That's the right and duty of a parent to say "no" when required. Kids are not born with good judgement.
Regarding, MMM's cactus story, if it's true at all, there is a potential cruelty charge toward the parents, even possible loss of parental rights. Oh, I see this was reality TV, so it's more television than reality.
I got a credit card on my own when I was 20, precisely because I needed to book a room at a hotel that required a credit card, after two years of junk mail and emails begging me to open a credit card.
Quote from: kkt on March 07, 2023, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 07, 2023, 07:52:25 PM
We opened a custodial account for my kid when kid was 15 or so... kid has an ATM card and full access to it. The account also shows up when I sign on to online banking, which is handy for being able to move money to kid's account without a wait for it to clear.
It's a parent's job to make sure their kid under 18 is spending their money reasonably. Usually that's agreeing with what the kid wants, sometimes it's saying no with an explanation. Buying a bunch of lottery tickets would be in the "no with an explanation" territory for me.
And that is exactly what MMM sees as discrimination. Why do you think you have a right to say "no", with - or without - an explanation?
I certainly think that even 18 is to early for some people (and maybe too late for others), but that is definitely a question any teen may ask.
That's the right and duty of a parent to say "no" when required. Kids are not born with good judgement.
Regarding, MMM's cactus story, if it's true at all, there is a potential cruelty charge toward the parents, even possible loss of parental rights. Oh, I see this was reality TV, so it's more television than reality.
There were multiple well-documented stories about less-than-reasonable parent's medical decisions. From refusal (or enforcing) cancer treatment of a sick child to a recent refusal to allow kids get their covid shots.
A lesser, but equally health-related situation is enforcing diet - notably uneducated vegetarian or vegan - on kids.
In a grand scheme of things, parents do have to say "no" sometimes, no question about that. But there may be a reasonable no, questionable no, and idiotic no. My best argument is that parent in general is less likely to be unreasonable than a child.
I had no issues opening a checking account when I was 17.
http://childrenshealthcare.org/
Well here is a good compilation of the idiotic (I'll argue deliberate abuse) "NOs"
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/followers-of-christ-idaho-religious-sect-child-mortality-refusing-medical-help
Found this article. Of course it's fucking Idaho. Fucking barbaric.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:55:58 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/followers-of-christ-idaho-religious-sect-child-mortality-refusing-medical-help
Found this article. Of course it's fucking Idaho. Fucking barbaric.
Given a large enough group, there are going to be all sorts of extremes right there. And if you think you're not seen as an extreme by some other people in certain situations - think again...
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:55:58 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/followers-of-christ-idaho-religious-sect-child-mortality-refusing-medical-help
Found this article. Of course it's fucking Idaho. Fucking barbaric.
Given a large enough group, there are going to be all sorts of extremes right there. And if you think you're not seen as an extreme by some other people in certain situations - think again...
The problem is that the Idaho politicians won't do anything about it. And these aren't some random cult, these are our elected officials who are failing us and our children. We can all agree that murder is wrong, but at least if you get caught murdering someone you go to jail.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
In Medical cases though, you agree. You will have people argue that even in medical cases, the number of abuse cases shouldn't be used to guarantee medical autonomy. I know you've generally agreed with me on these issues, but I still feel the negatives even with lesser issues, are anecdotal. The fact of the matter is though, even in medical issues they can't, and no one else's has ever taken significant action to end that. That's why sometimes even the lesser issues infuriate me, they remind of the more severe cases.
That is why Idaho is at the bottom of my list of states.
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 07:38:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 07, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
I mean, the solution to that is to not use Chase.
https://www.tinkerfcu.org/savings/saveables-kids-club/
Apparently they will give debit cards to 13-year-olds now.
MMM's issue here is that parent's content is required until 18 years old.
And that's not something you'll ever be able to avoid, because someone has to consent to the bank's terms and conditions. Anyone under the age of 18 cannot legally do so. (And if you argue that people shouldn't be disallowed from consenting to things on account of age, well, that opens a whole worse can of worms...)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
In Medical cases though, you agree. You will have people argue that even in medical cases, the number of abuse cases shouldn't be used to guarantee medical autonomy. I know you've generally agreed with me on these issues, but I still feel the negatives even with lesser issues, are anecdotal. The fact of the matter is though, even in medical issues they can't, and no one else's has ever taken significant action to end that. That's why sometimes even the lesser issues infuriate me, they remind of the more severe cases.
That is why Idaho is at the bottom of my list of states.
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
The thing about this is that it's easier to legislate. If you start to dig your nose further into parenting you bring up a whole host of problems. It's important to think critically about what laws you propose and what effects that said laws would have.
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
think critically
That's not happening, which is why this thread is over 2000 posts.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Well, he has a bachelor's in psychology, so of course he knows more!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:55:58 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/followers-of-christ-idaho-religious-sect-child-mortality-refusing-medical-help
Found this article. Of course it's fucking Idaho. Fucking barbaric.
Given a large enough group, there are going to be all sorts of extremes right there. And if you think you're not seen as an extreme by some other people in certain situations - think again...
The problem is that the Idaho politicians won't do anything about it. And these aren't some random cult, these are our elected officials who are failing us and our children. We can all agree that murder is wrong, but at least if you get caught murdering someone you go to jail.
And a very interesting question - why do you think that the public opinion of one group is better than the public opinion of another group?
A separate related fenomenon is that things that were OK at some point may be condemned later, and vice versa. Not uncommon in the medical field specifically...
Quote from: kkt on March 07, 2023, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Well, he has a bachelor's in psychology, so of course he knows more!
So does she. She's been on/off working on her Masters.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
Her take was that what we see here is more a function of being on the spectrum (which MMM has stated he's on). Essentially we are dealing with a person who might not be fully capable of processing why people disagree with what he says.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
In Medical cases though, you agree. You will have people argue that even in medical cases, the number of abuse cases shouldn't be used to guarantee medical autonomy. I know you've generally agreed with me on these issues, but I still feel the negatives even with lesser issues, are anecdotal. The fact of the matter is though, even in medical issues they can't, and no one else's has ever taken significant action to end that. That's why sometimes even the lesser issues infuriate me, they remind of the more severe cases.
That is why Idaho is at the bottom of my list of states.
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
The thing about this is that it's easier to legislate. If you start to dig your nose further into parenting you bring up a whole host of problems. It's important to think critically about what laws you propose and what effects that said laws would have.
With what happened to those kids, honestly, I could care less. Here's a simple change: The 1st amendment no longer exempts you from any criminal laws such as not neglecting your kids in any way, shape, or form. In fact, I know of no such law that currently says otherwise, so I don't know what legal precedent those parents used to get off easy. The establishment clause should forbid any laws from favoring religion over non-religion. What's going on in those states seems to be unconstitutional anyway. Cases such as the ones in that article need to constitute an immediate, and permanent loss of parental custody, and immediate medical treatment of the kid (if still alive that is). What states like that are allowing is organized child abuse, and that should constitute grounds for impeachment of political officials who facilitated those unconstitutional exemptions. States like NY and CA have already taken baby steps, such as eliminating religious exemptions to vaccines, and CA proposing a bill that would eliminate parental consent requirement for vaccines. These need to be expanded to all medical and psychiatric care though.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
Her take was that what we see here is more a function of being on the spectrum (which MMM has stated he's on). Essentially we are dealing with a person who might not be fully capable of processing why people disagree with what he says.
Watch it, I called MMM of being on it and got reminded we don't say things like that because some user on here once bragged about being on it.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:05:53 PM
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
And that's exactly why certain people shouldn't be considered adults just because they are over 21. Jus'saying.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:26:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
Her take was that what we see here is more a function of being on the spectrum (which MMM has stated he's on). Essentially we are dealing with a person who might not be fully capable of processing why people disagree with what he says.
Watch it, I called MMM of being on it and got reminded we don't say things like that because some user on here once bragged about being on it.
He's literally stated numerous times already that he is on it. All I told my wife was what MMM has already put out there. Her reaction more or less was "oh yeah, that fits."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:29:31 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
Her take was that what we see here is more a function of being on the spectrum (which MMM has stated he's on). Essentially we are dealing with a person who might not be fully capable of processing why people disagree with what he says.
Watch it, I called MMM of being on it and got reminded we don't say things like that because some user on here once bragged about being on it.
He's literally stated numerous times already that he is on it.
That's news to me hearing that from him, but I already figured it out. Considering his MO, that he argues about everything and won't succeed from his ideas, is a symptom of Autism.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 07, 2023, 09:07:14 PM
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I mean, the solution to that is to not use Chase.
https://www.tinkerfcu.org/savings/saveables-kids-club/
Apparently they will give debit cards to 13-year-olds now.
MMM's issue here is that parent's content is required until 18 years old.
And that's not something you'll ever be able to avoid, because someone has to consent to the bank's terms and conditions. Anyone under the age of 18 cannot legally do so. (And if you argue that people shouldn't be disallowed from consenting to things on account of age, well, that opens a whole worse can of worms...)
It's a can of worms as is. It's not a wide open can if parents and kids may come to a common ground. If not...
Puberty is a psychologically difficult period regardless, coupled with other problems it can really be a big can of worms. I don't see a perfect answer here, though. I do agree that parents having control over kid's finances is a good idea in 99.99% cases. What about remaining 1 in 10'000? I don't know.
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:19:45 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/followers-of-christ-idaho-religious-sect-child-mortality-refusing-medical-help
Found this article. Of course it's fucking Idaho. Fucking barbaric.
Given a large enough group, there are going to be all sorts of extremes right there. And if you think you're not seen as an extreme by some other people in certain situations - think again...
The problem is that the Idaho politicians won't do anything about it. And these aren't some random cult, these are our elected officials who are failing us and our children. We can all agree that murder is wrong, but at least if you get caught murdering someone you go to jail.
And a very interesting question - why do you think that the public opinion of one group is better than the public opinion of another group?
A separate related fenomenon is that things that were OK at some point may be condemned later, and vice versa. Not uncommon in the medical field specifically...
Because one group is violating the law, the other isn't. One is directly harming other people, the other isn't. Religions freedom ends at the expense of other people. Laws need to be passed at the federal level to ban states from enacting such exemptions, and cases like that should be talked about in the media more. Another good start would be to tax the church, maybe then they wouldn't have as much money to lobby in support of child abuse-exemption laws. And I never said I was on the spectrum. Although personally, the closest thing I would diagnose myself with is Skizotypal personality disorder to be honest, but not ADHD or autism.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
In Medical cases though, you agree. You will have people argue that even in medical cases, the number of abuse cases shouldn't be used to guarantee medical autonomy. I know you've generally agreed with me on these issues, but I still feel the negatives even with lesser issues, are anecdotal. The fact of the matter is though, even in medical issues they can't, and no one else's has ever taken significant action to end that. That's why sometimes even the lesser issues infuriate me, they remind of the more severe cases.
That is why Idaho is at the bottom of my list of states.
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
The thing about this is that it's easier to legislate. If you start to dig your nose further into parenting you bring up a whole host of problems. It's important to think critically about what laws you propose and what effects that said laws would have.
With what happened to those kids, honestly, I could care less. Here's a simple change: The 1st amendment no longer exempts you from any criminal laws such as not neglecting your kids in any way, shape, or form. In fact, I know of no such law that currently says otherwise, so I don't know what legal precedent those parents used to get off easy. The establishment clause should forbid any laws from favoring religion over non-religion. What's going on in those states seems to be unconstitutional anyway. Cases such as the ones in that article need to constitute an immediate, and permanent loss of parental custody, and immediate medical treatment of the kid (if still alive that is). What states like that are allowing is organized child abuse, and that should constitute grounds for impeachment of political officials who facilitated those unconstitutional exemptions. States like NY and CA have already taken baby steps, such as eliminating religious exemptions to vaccines, and CA proposing a bill that would eliminate parental consent requirement for vaccines. These need to be expanded to all medical and psychiatric care though.
It's a well known thing that a noticeable part of medical treatments may not be completely justified, or justified at all. Talking a 12 year old into an important procedure which may be less than absolutely needed but will be billed for next 20 years?? Are you OK with that?
Tax the church. Yes if it's Al Sharpton, but many congregations struggle to make ends meet and if you're talking about the Catholics cause they got Rome don't even go there.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:55:58 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/followers-of-christ-idaho-religious-sect-child-mortality-refusing-medical-help
Found this article. Of course it's fucking Idaho. Fucking barbaric.
Given a large enough group, there are going to be all sorts of extremes right there. And if you think you're not seen as an extreme by some other people in certain situations - think again...
The problem is that the Idaho politicians won't do anything about it. And these aren't some random cult, these are our elected officials who are failing us and our children. We can all agree that murder is wrong, but at least if you get caught murdering someone you go to jail.
And a very interesting question - why do you think that the public opinion of one group is better than the public opinion of another group?
A separate related fenomenon is that things that were OK at some point may be condemned later, and vice versa. Not uncommon in the medical field specifically...
Because one group is violating the law, the other isn't. One is directly harming other people, the other isn't. Religions freedom ends at the expense of other people. Laws need to be passed at the federal level to ban states from enacting such exemptions, and cases like that should be talked about in the media more. Another good start would be to tax the church, maybe then they wouldn't have as much money to lobby in support of child abuse-exemption laws. And I never said I was on the spectrum. Although personally, the closest thing I would diagnose myself with is Skizotypal personality disorder to be honest, but not ADHD or autism.
Just a moment.
If laws are the primary factor, then shut up about 16-year old discrimination as that is perfectly legal.
If you want a new set of laws, you have to morally justify that set to the majority, including local majorities.
Pick one.
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
In Medical cases though, you agree. You will have people argue that even in medical cases, the number of abuse cases shouldn't be used to guarantee medical autonomy. I know you've generally agreed with me on these issues, but I still feel the negatives even with lesser issues, are anecdotal. The fact of the matter is though, even in medical issues they can't, and no one else's has ever taken significant action to end that. That's why sometimes even the lesser issues infuriate me, they remind of the more severe cases.
That is why Idaho is at the bottom of my list of states.
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
The thing about this is that it's easier to legislate. If you start to dig your nose further into parenting you bring up a whole host of problems. It's important to think critically about what laws you propose and what effects that said laws would have.
With what happened to those kids, honestly, I could care less. Here's a simple change: The 1st amendment no longer exempts you from any criminal laws such as not neglecting your kids in any way, shape, or form. In fact, I know of no such law that currently says otherwise, so I don't know what legal precedent those parents used to get off easy. The establishment clause should forbid any laws from favoring religion over non-religion. What's going on in those states seems to be unconstitutional anyway. Cases such as the ones in that article need to constitute an immediate, and permanent loss of parental custody, and immediate medical treatment of the kid (if still alive that is). What states like that are allowing is organized child abuse, and that should constitute grounds for impeachment of political officials who facilitated those unconstitutional exemptions. States like NY and CA have already taken baby steps, such as eliminating religious exemptions to vaccines, and CA proposing a bill that would eliminate parental consent requirement for vaccines. These need to be expanded to all medical and psychiatric care though.
It's a well known thing that a noticeable part of medical treatments may not be completely justified, or justified at all. Talking a 12 year old into an important procedure which may be less than absolutely needed but will be billed for next 20 years?? Are you OK with that?
I'm not since I support universal healthcare
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 08:53:06 PM
MMM you are bringing up medical decisions. That's an issue I agree with you. But letting kids and young teens just make whatever decision they want, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
In Medical cases though, you agree. You will have people argue that even in medical cases, the number of abuse cases shouldn't be used to guarantee medical autonomy. I know you've generally agreed with me on these issues, but I still feel the negatives even with lesser issues, are anecdotal. The fact of the matter is though, even in medical issues they can't, and no one else's has ever taken significant action to end that. That's why sometimes even the lesser issues infuriate me, they remind of the more severe cases.
That is why Idaho is at the bottom of my list of states.
Kalvado, things like that aren't a matter of opinion, they are clear cut cases of child torture/murder/neglect. Even saying things like that are a debate is despicable. There is no excuse or alternative point of view, it is criminal, it is immoral, it is mentally ill, on every level.
The thing about this is that it's easier to legislate. If you start to dig your nose further into parenting you bring up a whole host of problems. It's important to think critically about what laws you propose and what effects that said laws would have.
With what happened to those kids, honestly, I could care less. Here's a simple change: The 1st amendment no longer exempts you from any criminal laws such as not neglecting your kids in any way, shape, or form. In fact, I know of no such law that currently says otherwise, so I don't know what legal precedent those parents used to get off easy. The establishment clause should forbid any laws from favoring religion over non-religion. What's going on in those states seems to be unconstitutional anyway. Cases such as the ones in that article need to constitute an immediate, and permanent loss of parental custody, and immediate medical treatment of the kid (if still alive that is). What states like that are allowing is organized child abuse, and that should constitute grounds for impeachment of political officials who facilitated those unconstitutional exemptions. States like NY and CA have already taken baby steps, such as eliminating religious exemptions to vaccines, and CA proposing a bill that would eliminate parental consent requirement for vaccines. These need to be expanded to all medical and psychiatric care though.
It's a well known thing that a noticeable part of medical treatments may not be completely justified, or justified at all. Talking a 12 year old into an important procedure which may be less than absolutely needed but will be billed for next 20 years?? Are you OK with that?
I'm not since I support universal healthcare
OK, a very historical example.
One of nice catholic traditions included castrato choirs - basically boys who never got to puberty, and retained childish voices.
If 12 year old with medical autonomy can be talked into castration under the promise of a great singing career - before he even understands the meaning of word "sex" - should that be allowed? What about kidney donation? Sex change therapy? What is the difference?
Talking a 12 year old into an important procedure which may be less than absolutely needed but will be billed for next 20 years?? Are you OK with that?
Yes, we need Universal Healthcare. If you are trying to refer to what I think you are, I don't necessarily include that in the same category. Elective medical procedures are not the same as pain relief, mental health treatment, needed surgery..etc, I don't need to pick one, there are constitutional arguments that support both. And I am sure the majority of the country would agree with repealing "exemptions" for child neglect, but the problem is most people don't even know they exist. Such issues likely will never enter the field of vision of the average general public, and depending on the person, even if they are against it, may, for example, worry more about keeping their guns so will continue to vote conservative anyway. Both child abuse laws and general ageism laws need to be improved, just the former being more urgent. That "pick one!" black and white view on things is part of the problem. Not all issues are a slippery slope, interconnected, or a cam of worms, some things are just common sense, like you should rot in prison for letting your kid die a horrible death when you could have easily gotten him treatment.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:40:03 PM
Tax the church. Yes if it's Al Sharpton, but many congregations struggle to make ends meet and if you're talking about the Catholics cause they got Rome don't even go there.
And tax political parties while we're at that.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing
about MMM rather than
to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just
left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
Quote from: vdeane on March 07, 2023, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The real fun in these threads is throwing some random thing into the conversation and seeing where it goes as an observer. I used to do to Lord Carhorn for different but equally amusing reasons.
Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2023, 09:55:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:40:03 PM
Tax the church. Yes if it's Al Sharpton, but many congregations struggle to make ends meet and if you're talking about the Catholics cause they got Rome don't even go there.
And tax political parties while we're at that.
Considering that they've taken over the roll of a congregation as now people of both parties are religious to their ideals. You might consider that both parties have become churches in their own right. They both have loyal followers.
As far as Sharpton goes, he can't legally qualify for tax exempt as churches are forbidden to enforce candidates or politicians parties at all. They can educate their brethren on how to vote, but can't tell them who to vote. As we all know, Sharpton is a big supporter of Democrats running for office and telling his flock to vote that way, which disqualifies himself from receiving tax exempt status.
That is why Pope Francis defrocked that one priest recently who was endorsing Trump because he put the Church's tax exempt status in limbo as he isn't to endorse anyone whether Biden or Trump.
Churches should be taxed if they are those big megachurches or if they are promoting poiticial parties or ideas. Not sure about other churches.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 07, 2023, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The real fun in these threads is throwing some random thing into the conversation and seeing where it goes as an observer. I used to do to Lord Carhorn for different but equally amusing reasons.
The fun thing about these threads are that MMM's random rants can sometimes make me do some research on topics I didn't know about before, like anti medicine christian cults in Idaho.
Quote from: vdeane on March 07, 2023, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The hotel thread has replaced the speed limit thread as the 3rd MMM rant thread.
You would have never came across those if I hadn't posted it. And that is the issue right there. It takes so much effort to bring things like this to public attention, yet the logo on pancake syrup can make the national news. And as far as attention seeking, I think I could do a much better job if that were my intent, than a forum that has gained 5000 members in 13 years. That speed limit thread was fun to read though.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 07, 2023, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The hotel thread has replaced the speed limit thread as the 3rd MMM rant thread.
He sure knows how to derail. He can make you forget what your point is in a heartbeat.
He'd make a great politician as he could derail a reporters question easily.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 10:15:44 PM
You would have never came across those if I hadn't posted it. And that is the issue right there. It takes so much effort to bring things like this to public attention, yet the logo on pancake syrup can make the national news. And as far as attention seeking, I think I could do a much better job if that were my intent, than a forum that has gained 5000 members in 13 years. That speed limit thread was fun to read though.
Lots of folks don't know this, but the former lady on the syrup bottle was the first African American Woman to prosper in wealth. CNN, Fox, Etc. won't tell you that tidbit.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 10:15:44 PM
You would have never came across those if I hadn't posted it. And that is the issue right there. It takes so much effort to bring things like this to public attention, yet the logo on pancake syrup can make the national news. And as far as attention seeking, I think I could do a much better job if that were my intent, than a forum that has gained 5000 members in 13 years. That speed limit thread was fun to read though.
Lots of folks don't know this, but the former lady on the syrup bottle was the first African American Woman to prosper in wealth. CNN, Fox, Etc. won't tell you that tidbit.
So then what was the issue with it? I don't watch CNN or FOX, unless I need a good laugh from reading the comment wars.
Again figure of speech. ^^^
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 07, 2023, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2023, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 07, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The hotel thread has replaced the speed limit thread as the 3rd MMM rant thread.
He sure knows how to derail. He can make you forget what your point is in a heartbeat.
He'd make a great politician as he could derail a reporters question easily.
Maybe I should run for political office then. At least then I would have a slightly higher chance of success of repealing lenient child abuse laws. I have a feeling 90% of my answers to reporters would be: "Who cares, why are you even here and who in America actually cares" based on the things they obssess over.
Hint if you decide to run, don't tell them about the helicopters with hooks. You're better off telling them you rode on a UFO and met Elvis.
I think MMM should run on a platform of helicopter grapple hooks. In fact, he should run under the banner of the "Helicopter Grapple Party." We'll call his party members "Grapple Gang" for short.
I wish I could remove this thread from the "show new replies" list :/
I would rather designate my party something like "Adolescent Advocate" or "End Crimes Against Children".
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 10:55:16 PM
I would rather designate my party something like "Adolescent Advocate" or "End Crimes Against Children".
Instead of running for office, just start like a non profit or something. But your ideas are so wacky that almost no one will actual agree with them. You have some good intentions but your actual ideas would be a disaster.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 10:55:16 PM
I would rather designate my party something like "Adolescent Advocate" or "End Crimes Against Children".
I found a spokesman for the Grapple Gang:
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I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The hotel thread has replaced the speed limit thread as the 3rd MMM rant thread.
He sure knows how to derail. He can make you forget what your point is in a heartbeat.
He'd make a great politician as he could derail a reporters question easily.
Maybe I should run for political office then. At least then I would have a slightly higher chance of success of repealing lenient child abuse laws. I have a feeling 90% of my answers to reporters would be: "Who cares, why are you even here and who in America actually cares" based on the things they obssess over.
If you run for office, don't forget to vote! There was a mayoral candidate in Brazil who didn't vote, and his wife didn't vote, and they lost the election by one vote!
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
I had my wife (a Californian behavioral health professional) have a look at the last couple of pages. She had some opinions that MMM probably wouldn't agree with.
What opinions? Let's see at how MMM's ideas stack up to a professional. Oh, I forgot, he knows more than all of them!
Essentially that's he's wrong about much of what he says or lacks a fully understanding about subjects he speaks on.
That's why I believe he has a big insecurity issue, and he posts his wacked out ideas and feels complimented over shame when we chastise him over them. He loves attention. It's not about roads at all.
This. MMM is just here for attention. All those people who think they can chastise him by pointing out why his ideas wouldn't work are barking up the wrong tree, since he likes the attention. I remember when I got everyone arguing about MMM rather than to MMM on the California speed limits thread, and he just left. Rant ended, no thread lock, never happened before, never happened since. All because people stopped paying attention to him.
Honestly, I'd love it if the mods enforced the post quality rule against MMM. The recent posts page is clogged with post after post going around and around the same old arguments all day long, it's ridiculous.
The hotel thread has replaced the speed limit thread as the 3rd MMM rant thread.
He sure knows how to derail. He can make you forget what your point is in a heartbeat.
He'd make a great politician as he could derail a reporters question easily.
Maybe I should run for political office then. At least then I would have a slightly higher chance of success of repealing lenient child abuse laws. I have a feeling 90% of my answers to reporters would be: "Who cares, why are you even here and who in America actually cares" based on the things they obssess over.
If you run for office, don't forget to vote! There was a mayoral candidate in Brazil who didn't vote, and his wife didn't vote, and they lost the election by one vote!
MMM the type of guy to run for office but still not vote. He was too busy arguing with us on AAroads.
Of course I would vote for myself LOL
The only reason I haven't voted now is because so far no political candidate has ever offered anything of value to the population. So far, they only care about the same 3-5 issues, and will take only an extreme position on all of them with no middleground. I won't be a part of that. Also no one can tell me "You Voted for this so deal with it" when I didn't vote. I reserve my right to complain about either side then.
You didn't vote for yourself in the Highway thread.
Early morning by the way? It's not even 8 AM.
I've been up since 5 am today, my phone just had to charge. I also didn't fall asleep until about 1 am, and I'm not even tired right now, told ya my sleep pattern are erratic. I wish I could vote for the fused fritzowl/kernals option, but too late.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/texit-texas-lawmaker-introduces-bill-to-vote-on-secession/
Texas is going to actually try to do this LMAO
What a waste of effort making my new interstate highway maps for them (I hope those aren't the reason they are suceding.)
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 07, 2023, 10:29:42 PM
Maybe I should run for political office then.
"I don't vote, but please vote for me." Yeah, that'll go over well with the populace.
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https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/texit-texas-lawmaker-introduces-bill-to-vote-on-secession/
Texas is going to actually try to do this LMAO
What a waste of effort making my new interstate highway maps for them (I hope those aren't the reason they are suceding.)
You do understand that much like your Interstate plans that succession bill is going nowhere?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 08, 2023, 09:19:37 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/texit-texas-lawmaker-introduces-bill-to-vote-on-secession/
Texas is going to actually try to do this LMAO
What a waste of effort making my new interstate highway maps for them (I hope those aren't the reason they are seceding/succeeding.)
It probably won't go anywhere. If it does, Texas will be back in battered shape in a few years. They can't even handle a day at 55 degrees. Though I will say, I wouldn't be surprised if a state would threaten secession over having entirely too many freeways and state maintenance expenses thrust upon it.
Well maybe we should poll the forum in how many want Texas to secede? If the majority vote yes, I'll ramp up my fictional highway plans for that state.
I could do with less Texas exceptionalism and Buc-ee's in my life.
Losing Texas would be very bad for the country.
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I could do with less Texas exceptionalism and Buc-ee's in my life.
So long as we're playing this game, we all could do with less Californian exceptionalism. Doesn't mean we should remove it from the union.
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Losing Texas would be very bad for the country.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 08, 2023, 11:16:24 AM
I could do with less Texas exceptionalism and Buc-ee's in my life.
So long as we're playing this game, we all could do with less Californian exceptionalism. Doesn't mean we should remove it from the union.
I don't disagree on either of those statements.
Texas will be fine in the future. In 10-20 years it will be better due to trends.
At least my state is safe – it's one of the few states where it contributes to federal funding rather than the other way around. (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-aid-by-state) (California is almost perfectly breakeven, and Texas and Florida are in the middle of the pack, receiving some but nowhere near the most.)
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 08, 2023, 11:41:49 AM
Texas will be fine in the future. In 10-20 years it will be better due to trends.
Look at Georgia, where they've gerrymandered their state legislature. Also don't assume Texas will definitely turn blue – while the suburban counties are getting bluer, the Hispanic and Vietnamese areas are getting redder.
Texas has also put some things in their state constitution that can't be undone if it turns blue unless it gets 2/3.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on March 08, 2023, 10:33:21 AM
Well maybe we should poll the forum in how many want Texas to secede? If the majority vote yes, I'll ramp up my fictional highway plans for that state.
Well, that's
one way to get everyone to vote no.
As much as Texans rabidly gush over their brief time as an independent nation, they try just as hard to ignore the part of the story where they were quietly begging for the US to annex them because they were drowning in war debt from the fighting with Mexico.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 08, 2023, 11:41:49 AM
Texas will be fine in the future. In 10-20 years it will be better due to trends.
Trends? I am guessing you've never tried to live within a budget in the state we share if you assume trending that way is "fine"...
Texas has said it before. Remember when Obama beat that Mitt guy? They tried to do it. Now two and one half terms later they're still with us.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 08, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
As much as Texans rabidly gush over their brief time as an independent nation, they try just as hard to ignore the part of the story where they were quietly begging for the US to annex them because they were drowning in war debt from the fighting with Mexico.
Or when they say how much they hate US values and how they are so different and should be exempt from certain federal regulations, but then coming begging for the US to come down and help fix their pathetic power grid. Or trying to criminalize people for legally doing things in other states they don't like. Please secede.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 08, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
As much as Texans rabidly gush over their brief time as an independent nation, they try just as hard to ignore the part of the story where they were quietly begging for the US to annex them because they were drowning in war debt from the fighting with Mexico.
That's interesting! I didn't know that.
(I guess them begging quietly worked...)
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 08, 2023, 11:41:49 AM
Texas will be fine in the future. In 10-20 years it will be better due to trends.
Trends? I am guessing you've never tried to live within a budget in the state we share if you assume trending that way is "fine"...
At least we have human rights here
If we turn enough of MultiDozenMiler's threads into political arguments, will that make him stop?
Quote from: kphoger on March 08, 2023, 01:50:31 PM
If we turn enough of MultiDozenMiler's threads into political arguments, will that make him stop?
Trump bad Biden good lol
MultiDozenMiler is a xenophobic tushy jester.
It's always normal to threaten to leave when the going gets tough. Whether it's in our personal life or when we experience a o political setback. Texas is going through that. Like Hollywood did with Trump. How many celebrities left the USA after that?
Human nature it all is.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 08, 2023, 02:27:28 PM
It's always normal to threaten to leave when the going gets tough. Whether it's in our personal life or when we experience a o political setback. Texas is going through that. Like Hollywood did with Trump. How many celebrities left the USA after that?
Human nature it all is.
Back before the 2016 primaries, a couple we're friends with said they would move to Canada if the election came down to Trump and Clinton. They didn't move.
All right, guys, I'm calling time (temporarily) on this thread. It will reopen for discussion after 24 hours. --J N Winkler
And I'm calling it permanently (stealing space from J.N.'s post so as to avoid a bump). MMM will no longer be a member of this forum going forward. -S.