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agentsteel53:

--- Quote from: hbelkins on March 01, 2010, 08:35:47 PM ---I am sad to say that the holdup is being caused by the junior senator from my home state. Even though I am of the same party as Jim Bunning, I haven't had much use for him for several years. On behalf of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, I apologize for his petulant act. If I see any of you this spring or summer, remind me to tell you about Bunning. I won't junk up this board with political stuff.

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but hey he did throw a perfect game in 1964. Those '64 Phillies - quite a team, especially given the way they finished the season.  I believe Jim Bunning took lessons from that experience and has sought to emulate his political career based on the successes he experienced in late September of '64.  

mightyace:

--- Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 01, 2010, 08:48:45 PM ---I believe Jim Bunning took lessons from that experience and has sought to emulate his political career based on the successes he experienced in late September of '64.  

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As a lifelong Phillies fan, all I can say is OUCH!

agentsteel53:

--- Quote from: mightyace on March 01, 2010, 08:57:25 PM ---
As a lifelong Phillies fan, all I can say is OUCH!

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well, you have 1980 and 2008, and competent showings in 1983 and 2009 (even though, most recently, you let the bastards win - I will forgive you for that oversight, as long as you promise never do do it again ... though given that you did it before in 1950 ... just keep it to once every 49 years and we'll be all right), and in general the core of a team that will contend for many years to come!

(coming from a lifelong Red Sox fan!  I've got 2004 and 2007 and I am happy!  :sombrero: )

corco:

--- Quote ---and in general the core of a team that will contend for many years to come!
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Wut? They've got a standard-issue Pat Gillick team (never mind that Ruben Amaro Jr is the general manager now)- largely aging (all their core players are on the wrong side of  30) , not a ton of depth on the farm (Tyson Gillies w00t!), and a lack of understanding for defense (hi Raul Ibanez!). See the 1994-95 Toronto Blue Jays and the 2003-04 Seattle Mariners for comps of what the Phillies are built to be here in a year or two (no later than 2011)- a team full of aging veterans that either collapse or get injured.  

Howard's got an old player skillset, Ibanez is due to collapse... as far as bright spots go you've basically got Rollins/Utley for ~3 more years and then a decent starting pitching staff. The rest of the cupboard is bare.

agentsteel53:
and you have a guy named Roy Halladay who seems to have the type of makeup to be a competitive fastball pitcher into his 40s (see: Nolan Ryan, Satchel Paige, etc)...

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