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Solving a ROR traffic conflict
webny99:
At a standard intersection, I've long since become accustomed to watching for oncoming left-turning traffic before turning right on red. This has never been a major issue: double check for (1) the all-clear to your left and (2) the all-clear across the intersection, and then proceed.
Where I do have issues, though, is at standard freeway interchanges where I'm turning right onto the freeway. Because there's a red light and no arrow on my side of the intersection, I'm expecting traffic turning left onto the freeway to yield to me... and on quite a few occasions I've been taken by surprise when they don't, not realizing that they've got an arrow until I've already completed the turn/been honked at/etc. It seems to be especially egregious when the green arrow is lagging, such that I come to a stop, think it's OK to go, and then the left-turning cars start coming.
Here is one such location. (Note the Escape in the imagery going straight on red! :-o)
renegade:
--- Quote from: kphoger on October 16, 2020, 02:06:50 PM ---IMHO, a red light does the job just fine. If people don't yield when facing a red light, then they're not going to yield when facing that sign either.
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... and that driver will be cited in the event of an accident.
sparker:
--- Quote from: kendancy66 on October 16, 2020, 01:06:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: interstatefan990 on October 16, 2020, 09:25:11 AM ---There is a traffic conflict when a driver is turning right on red into the same roadway that an oncoming driver is turning left into on a green arrow. I'm pretty sure the right of way belongs to the driver with the arrow, but there probably should be a sign above to denote this. I'm thinking it could look something like this. Thoughts?
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I like these illuminated no right on red turn signs. They turn on, when the opposing left turn signal is on. Then turn off when the perpendicular left turn on arrow phase is on (and no u-turn allowed) or when the light is green
https://goo.gl/maps/huWzmhF3AqKFjGqo8
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I think a right turn red arrow coordinated with the opposing left-turn green arrow would at least provide an enhanced legal basis for citation of violators. However -- such should only be utilized when there are two lanes or less on the "target" street -- since the green-lit left turner will have the choice of either target lane. Past three lanes is a bit gratuitous unless there's an attraction on or near the right corner along the target street that would prompt left-turn folks to turn into that right-hand third lane. If it's a business district with numerous commercial driveways, a right-turn red arrow would likely be appropriate under any circumstances.
CtrlAltDel:
--- Quote from: interstatefan990 on October 16, 2020, 09:25:11 AM ---
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I feel the sign is too wordy. So, I offer this marginally better alternative:
jeffandnicole:
--- Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 16, 2020, 10:26:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: interstatefan990 on October 16, 2020, 09:25:11 AM ---
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I feel the sign is too wordy. So, I offer this marginally better alternative:
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Too easily interpreted as No Right Turn at all.
(Edited because I failed directions in Kindergarden)
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