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Scott5114

They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
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I-55

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.

I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.

The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.
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ilpt4u

Another bit about I-76: I'm pretty sure both the Eastern and Western branches were originally I-80S/branch routes from I-80. They became I-76s in 1976 - celebrating the Republic making it 200 years

TheDon102

I-78 was supposed to be a longer route but it was (mostly) cancelled in New York City so....

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hotdogPi

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 09, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
What

What the OP is saying is that the four Interstates mentioned aren't that long, unlike some others such as I-44, I-64, and I-81 (deliberately excluding the multiples of 5). However, the OP, in both this thread and in others, keeps using words that don't refer to length, sometimes confusing it with width and sometimes just being ambiguous.
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Traveled, plus
US 1A, 13, 44, 50, 302
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 126, 141, 159
ME 22, 25, 26, 77, 100
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

kinupanda

Quote from: KingAngeloTheGreat on August 08, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
Why are those highways so small I love those highways but they're so small. Why is that?
They're doing the best they can. :-(

zzcarp

I-71 occurs as the right length. It parallels US 42 and shares the same cities (Cleveland, Louisville) for its termini.

I-76, formerly I-80S, has had extensions proposed at both ends. In Ohio, I-80S on some early planning documents was to diverge from I-80/90/Ohio Turnpike at the US 250 exit at Milan and follow the US 250 and US 224 corridors to the current I-76 west terminus at I-71. None of this corridor past Lodi was improved, and it's been removed from planning documents for over 50 years.

On its eastern end, it's been proposed and studied to extend I-76 down the Atlantic City Expressway. My understanding is that NJDOT believes it could cause motorist confusion and that there's no benefit to doing it. There are likely substandard design features that would need upgraded before it could be signed newly as an Interstate.

Re I-79, south of Charleston there is only one freeway corridor through the mountains.  I-77 'won' the designation as it supplanted/parallels historic US 21 its entire length.
So many miles and so many roads

ethanhopkin14

A more reasonable question would be why are I-30 and I-45 so small (short)?

ethanhopkin14

Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.

I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.

The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.

Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's western terminus?

hotdogPi

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.

I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.

The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.

Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's its western terminus?

The most common proposal I've seen is to Fort Wayne.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 1A, 13, 44, 50, 302
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 126, 141, 159
ME 22, 25, 26, 77, 100
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

ethanhopkin14

Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2020, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.

I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.

The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.

Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's its western terminus?

The most common proposal I've seen is to Fort Wayne.

It sure would be nice to extend it to Chicago and connect it to I-80.

ethanhopkin14

Is it like driving a car on a bike lane?  Like the pavement isn't wide enough for a car?

I-55

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
Is it like driving a car on a bike lane?  Like the pavement isn't wide enough for a car?

At least in the Holland Tunnel
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Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.

I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.

The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.

Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's western terminus?
Multiple roadgeek pipedreams for I-76 E have it going south on I-71 to Mansfield, Ohio and then following US 30 west to somewhere (depending on the proposal) near Chicago.
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STLmapboy

Teenage STL area roadgeek.
Missouri>>>>>Illinois

thspfc

I don't know but I-80 and I-90 are so big.

thspfc

Quote from: I-55 on August 10, 2020, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
Is it like driving a car on a bike lane?  Like the pavement isn't wide enough for a car?

At least in the Holland Tunnel
This guy gets it

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Scott5114

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hotdogPi

Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 1A, 13, 44, 50, 302
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 126, 141, 159
ME 22, 25, 26, 77, 100
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

Scott5114

Quote from: 1 on August 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
These need to exist as forum emojis.

What emotion would you even convey with those? "Oh, I see FritzOwl posted again. "
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odditude

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 12, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
These need to exist as forum emojis.

What emotion would you even convey with those? "Oh, I see FritzOwl posted again. "

how 'bout...

  • I-69: legislative silliness
  • I-76: "named highway X should be an interstate!" (see: Atlantic City Expressway, NJ Tpk from exits 1-6)
  • I-86: interstates for interstates' sake
  • I-99: grid? what grid?

Ben114

Quote from: odditude on August 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 12, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
These need to exist as forum emojis.

What emotion would you even convey with those? "Oh, I see FritzOwl posted again. "

how 'bout...

  • I-69: legislative silliness
  • I-76: "named highway X should be an interstate!" (see: Atlantic City Expressway, NJ Tpk from exits 1-6)
  • I-86: interstates for interstates' sake
  • I-99: grid? what grid?
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!



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