New York

[roadman65]

https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_07_01%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf
I see the state doesn't publish the new exit numbers north of Pulaski to the Canadian Border or from Pennsylvania to Marathon. Wonder why?

[vdeane]

https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_07_01%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf
I see the state doesn't publish the new exit numbers north of Pulaski to the Canadian Border or from Pennsylvania to Marathon. Wonder why?

Those areas aren't part of Region 3.

[Rothman]

https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_07_01%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf
I see the state doesn't publish the new exit numbers north of Pulaski to the Canadian Border or from Pennsylvania to Marathon. Wonder why?

Those areas aren't part of Region 3.

But they will be changed as part of the effort in Regions 7 and 9.

[Rothman]

All they would need to do is put up signage around the 87/90 changeover to the effect of:

Thruway exits West to Buffalo uses I-90 mileage.

Next exit - 342

And a similar sign for the other direction referring to I-87.

Just an idea. But per usual, they make it more complicated than it needs to be.

It's an excuse IMO. They are looking not to invest time and money to the change.

https://www.localsyr.com/news/your-stories/your-stories-qa-heres-why-the-thruway-is-not-changing-its-exit-numbers-like-i-81/
Here's that article that was on social media, without being linked there but to the source.

The only sentence that matters is the last one in the quote from the Thruway.

[webny99]

https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_07_01%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf
I see the state doesn't publish the new exit numbers north of Pulaski to the Canadian Border or from Pennsylvania to Marathon. Wonder why?

Those areas aren't part of Region 3.

But they will be changed as part of the effort in Regions 7 and 9.

The key question is when that effort will be, as it would be in the best interest of the DOT and the motoring public for it to happen sooner than later. Having numbers be strange in the Syracuse area is what it is given the scale and scope of changes coming there, but Regions 7 and 9 should be switching ASAP.

[vdeane]

https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_07_01%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf
I see the state doesn't publish the new exit numbers north of Pulaski to the Canadian Border or from Pennsylvania to Marathon. Wonder why?

Those areas aren't part of Region 3.

But they will be changed as part of the effort in Regions 7 and 9.

The impression I got from the press release and my email response from Region 3 is that the efforts in Regions 7 and 9 are separate projects.  As such, the PDF would only have the ones changed as part of Region 3 projects (the I-81 projects and the catch-all "everything in the region not covered under the I-81 projects" project).

[roadman65]

In Florida all regions worked the same time to switch from sequential to mile based.

This way less confusion occurs and the higher numbers also get swapped first to avoid duplicates in change.

[Rothman]

https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_07_01%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf
I see the state doesn't publish the new exit numbers north of Pulaski to the Canadian Border or from Pennsylvania to Marathon. Wonder why?

Those areas aren't part of Region 3.

But they will be changed as part of the effort in Regions 7 and 9.

The impression I got from the press release and my email response from Region 3 is that the efforts in Regions 7 and 9 are separate projects.  As such, the PDF would only have the ones changed as part of Region 3 projects (the I-81 projects and the catch-all "everything in the region not covered under the I-81 projects" project).

Hm.  I thought it was all one big multiregional contract and the inconsistencies we see are just due to phasing out by the contractor.

The game is afoot...

[02 Park Ave]

The Governor of New York State has announced that the Storm King Highway portion of Route 218 has been reopened.  It has been closed for well over a year ever since experiencing severe damage due to a storm.  Extensive reconstruction of this vital access road to the United States Military Academy at West Point was required.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-reopening-scenic-state-route-218-orange-county

[webny99]

In other news, tree clearing work has begun for the I-490 bridge replacement projects at the Erie Canal and Kreag Road. The scale of tree clearing looks to be easily enough to account for a widening to six lanes in the project area, but the exact same thing happened with Marsh Road and the end result was just a slightly wider four lane bridge. It is bitterly disappointing that NYSDOT refuses to account for future widening on this stretch of I-490 despite the obvious need for it and this being the logical time to do it. I have contacted them about it several times, but so far to no avail.

No matter how many times I drive the eastern end of I-490, I'm still struck every time by how quickly it changes from a wide open, peaceful, and lightly traveled interstate to an narrow, intense, tree-lined racetrack at Exit 27. I would even go so far as to say it is one of the most intense shifts in character on an interstate outside of those that pass through the heart of a large city (such as I-90 at OH 2 in Cleveland), and being spoiled with six lanes between the Thruway and Exit 27 makes it even more jarring.

[steviep24]

In other news, tree clearing work has begun for the I-490 bridge replacement projects at the Erie Canal and Kreag Road. The scale of tree clearing looks to be easily enough to account for a widening to six lanes in the project area, but the exact same thing happened with Marsh Road and the end result was just a slightly wider four lane bridge. It is bitterly disappointing that NYSDOT refuses to account for future widening on this stretch of I-490 despite the obvious need for it and this being the logical time to do it. I have contacted them about it several times, but so far to no avail.

No matter how many times I drive the eastern end of I-490, I'm still struck every time by how quickly it changes from a wide open, peaceful, and lightly traveled interstate to an narrow, intense, tree-lined racetrack at Exit 27. I would even go so far as to say it is one of the most intense shifts in character on an interstate outside of those that pass through the heart of a large city (such as I-90 at OH 2 in Cleveland), and being spoiled with six lanes between the Thruway and Exit 27 makes it even more jarring.

I regularly see I490 eastbound back up all the way to the Freddy Sue Bridge during afternoon rush hours. They need 8 lanes from FSB to NY 441 and six lane the four lane section that should have been six lanes from day one. They may actually need four lanes eastbound all the way to Victor/Thruway. It's that bad.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyCnVHBh4frwjj3B8
I see an " Expressway Entrance" guide from NY 218 NB to US 9W SB near Highland Falls is been installed.

Does NYSDOT use them elsewhere in the state?

[webny99]

Yes, those have been popping up statewide. Many if not most expressway entrances have them now.

[cockroachking]

See also "Parkway Entrance" and "Freeway Entrance"

[vdeane]

Today I learned that Region 8 uses "freeway" only on I-84 and I-684 and "expressway" on everything else (except the parkways).  Interesting.  Most regions are just one or the other.

[Rothman]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyCnVHBh4frwjj3B8
I see an " Expressway Entrance" guide from NY 218 NB to US 9W SB near Highland Falls is been installed.

Does NYSDOT use them elsewhere in the state?

My dude:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg2925829#msg2925829

[vdeane]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xyCnVHBh4frwjj3B8
I see an " Expressway Entrance" guide from NY 218 NB to US 9W SB near Highland Falls is been installed.

Does NYSDOT use them elsewhere in the state?

My dude:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg2925829#msg2925829

Looks like I forgot about Region 8's inconsistency, although my post is still true because I at least figured out the system (even if said system doesn't really make sense).

[D-Dey65]

In other news, tree clearing work has begun for the I-490 bridge replacement projects at the Erie Canal and Kreag Road. The scale of tree clearing looks to be easily enough to account for a widening to six lanes in the project area, but the exact same thing happened with Marsh Road and the end result was just a slightly wider four lane bridge. It is bitterly disappointing that NYSDOT refuses to account for future widening on this stretch of I-490 despite the obvious need for it and this being the logical time to do it. I have contacted them about it several times, but so far to no avail.

No matter how many times I drive the eastern end of I-490, I'm still struck every time by how quickly it changes from a wide open, peaceful, and lightly traveled interstate to an narrow, intense, tree-lined racetrack at Exit 27. I would even go so far as to say it is one of the most intense shifts in character on an interstate outside of those that pass through the heart of a large city (such as I-90 at OH 2 in Cleveland), and being spoiled with six lanes between the Thruway and Exit 27 makes it even more jarring.

I regularly see I490 eastbound back up all the way to the Freddy Sue Bridge during afternoon rush hours. They need 8 lanes from FSB to NY 441 and six lane the four lane section that should have been six lanes from day one. They may actually need four lanes eastbound all the way to Victor/Thruway. It's that bad.

Sounds like further evidence that getting rid of the Inner Loop was a bad idea.

[vdeane]

In other news, tree clearing work has begun for the I-490 bridge replacement projects at the Erie Canal and Kreag Road. The scale of tree clearing looks to be easily enough to account for a widening to six lanes in the project area, but the exact same thing happened with Marsh Road and the end result was just a slightly wider four lane bridge. It is bitterly disappointing that NYSDOT refuses to account for future widening on this stretch of I-490 despite the obvious need for it and this being the logical time to do it. I have contacted them about it several times, but so far to no avail.

No matter how many times I drive the eastern end of I-490, I'm still struck every time by how quickly it changes from a wide open, peaceful, and lightly traveled interstate to an narrow, intense, tree-lined racetrack at Exit 27. I would even go so far as to say it is one of the most intense shifts in character on an interstate outside of those that pass through the heart of a large city (such as I-90 at OH 2 in Cleveland), and being spoiled with six lanes between the Thruway and Exit 27 makes it even more jarring.

I regularly see I490 eastbound back up all the way to the Freddy Sue Bridge during afternoon rush hours. They need 8 lanes from FSB to NY 441 and six lane the four lane section that should have been six lanes from day one. They may actually need four lanes eastbound all the way to Victor/Thruway. It's that bad.

Sounds like further evidence that getting rid of the Inner Loop was a bad idea.

How would the Inner Loop help here?  The problems are the weaves at the 490/590 interchange and the queuing to get off at NY 441.  Both are nowhere near the Inner Loop.

[D-Dey65]

I still could use any maps of the formerly proposed "Miracle Mile Bypass" for NY 25A, if there's someone here who has one.

[D-Dey65]

How would the Inner Loop help here?  The problems are the weaves at the 490/590 interchange and the queuing to get off at NY 441.  Both are nowhere near the Inner Loop.

Yeah, I see you're right. The only real connection between the two is the overall arrogant crusade against highway improvements.

[The Ghostbuster]

I believe the rest of Rochester's Inner Loop is planned to be torn down as well: https://www.innerloopnorth.com/.

[webny99]

The problems are the weaves at the 490/590 interchange and the queuing to get off at NY 441.  Both are nowhere near the Inner Loop.

Since steviep mentioned eastbound specifically, the biggest problems are the merge at Culver Rd which can back up because of the high concentration of traffic merging right to exit at 590, and the lack of an auxiliary lane from Penfield Rd to NY 441. In both cases, my usual tack is to wait until the previous exit (Winton Rd for 590, Penfield Rd for NY 441) before merging right.

8 lanes would be nice from downtown to NY 441 but I think we're just spoiled by being used to light traffic. An EB auxiliary lane from 19 to 21 and extending the existing ones from 22 to 23 in both directions would go a long ways towards alleviating the congestion that exists around rush hour, and my issues with 25-27 are just general overcapacity, not specific to rush hour. That stretch is a pain during pretty much any daytime hour, even midday on weekdays and on weekends.

[D-Dey65]

Who can tell me what this electronic sign at the on-ramp from NY 32 to US 6 in Orange County is for?

[Rothman]

Who can tell me what this electronic sign at the on-ramp from NY 32 to US 6 in Orange County is for?

NYSDOT Region 8 can.