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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2021, 11:57:03 AM »


Wanted to see what others thought, but can see how in West it is important. Just that here in IL, kind of more known as 159th st.
My wish was granted when US-54 was truncated in IL back in '71 at least  :biggrin:
I think US 54 should've just been cut back to where IL 54 ends now in Onarga. If it just haddd to be cut.

What was the Real reason for them Truncating US 54 in the first place?
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2021, 12:26:25 PM »


Wanted to see what others thought, but can see how in West it is important. Just that here in IL, kind of more known as 159th st.
My wish was granted when US-54 was truncated in IL back in '71 at least  :biggrin:
I think US 54 should've just been cut back to where IL 54 ends now in Onarga. If it just haddd to be cut.

What was the Real reason for them Truncating US 54 in the first place?
It made prefect sense to truncate it between Onarga and Chicago. Even before I-57 came in it was just a long duplex with US 45 and never ran again on it's own. However the Springfield to Onarga segment is a mystery.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2021, 12:52:15 PM »


Wanted to see what others thought, but can see how in West it is important. Just that here in IL, kind of more known as 159th st.
My wish was granted when US-54 was truncated in IL back in '71 at least  :biggrin:
I think US 54 should've just been cut back to where IL 54 ends now in Onarga. If it just haddd to be cut.

What was the Real reason for them Truncating US 54 in the first place?
It made prefect sense to truncate it between Onarga and Chicago. Even before I-57 came in it was just a long duplex with US 45 and never ran again on it's own. However the Springfield to Onarga segment is a mystery.


ah ok, i always thought the segment between onarga & chicago possibly got replaced by I-57
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2021, 01:00:35 PM »


Wanted to see what others thought, but can see how in West it is important. Just that here in IL, kind of more known as 159th st.
My wish was granted when US-54 was truncated in IL back in '71 at least  :biggrin:
I think US 54 should've just been cut back to where IL 54 ends now in Onarga. If it just haddd to be cut.

What was the Real reason for them Truncating US 54 in the first place?
It made prefect sense to truncate it between Onarga and Chicago. Even before I-57 came in it was just a long duplex with US 45 and never ran again on it's own. However the Springfield to Onarga segment is a mystery.

I'm assuming they just didn't want to deal with signing in the concurrency. 
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2021, 04:00:13 PM »

In the AASHTO database, the reason given was duplication with I-57 and US-45. Also, to hand over northernmost part to cities. IL-54 created to supplant it near Springfield.

I grew up near IL-50, and liked seeing it extended to Kankakee.  :cool:

Anyway, IL hasn't done many major changes since 1971.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2021, 10:42:02 AM »

Personally, I Feel like once I-69/I-69W/I-69C/I-69/I-369 are all completed in TX, im assuming US 59 is getting Truncated back to Texarkana, US 77 Truncated back to Victoria, and US 281 Probably to San Antonio
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #81 on: December 15, 2021, 09:09:25 AM »

If US 59 is cut back, it will likely end at US 270 in Heavener, OK. Arkansas has never really wanted it. It could also replace US 259 south of Page, which has been officially suggested but never acted upon.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2022, 12:53:02 PM »


Wanted to see what others thought, but can see how in West it is important. Just that here in IL, kind of more known as 159th st.
My wish was granted when US-54 was truncated in IL back in '71 at least  :biggrin:
I think US 54 should've just been cut back to where IL 54 ends now in Onarga. If it just haddd to be cut.

What was the Real reason for them Truncating US 54 in the first place?
It made prefect sense to truncate it between Onarga and Chicago. Even before I-57 came in it was just a long duplex with US 45 and never ran again on it's own. However the Springfield to Onarga segment is a mystery.

I'm assuming they just didn't want to deal with signing in the concurrency.

Along those lines, they would have needed to sign Interstate 72 as a triplex between Pittsfield and Springfield, and maybe the Interstate 72/ US 36/ US54 combination would have been too much for IDOT. Maybe it wouldn't be too much for WisDOT, but I think it would be too much for IDOT.  The separation between IL-54 and US54 rides the line on what I'd consider a minimum distance between similarly numbered routes.  When the distance between routes with the same number isn't far enough apart, things can get confusing.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2022, 03:02:45 PM »


Wanted to see what others thought, but can see how in West it is important. Just that here in IL, kind of more known as 159th st.
My wish was granted when US-54 was truncated in IL back in '71 at least  :biggrin:
I think US 54 should've just been cut back to where IL 54 ends now in Onarga. If it just haddd to be cut.

What was the Real reason for them Truncating US 54 in the first place?
It made prefect sense to truncate it between Onarga and Chicago. Even before I-57 came in it was just a long duplex with US 45 and never ran again on it's own. However the Springfield to Onarga segment is a mystery.

I'm assuming they just didn't want to deal with signing in the concurrency.

Along those lines, they would have needed to sign Interstate 72 as a triplex between Pittsfield and Springfield, and maybe the Interstate 72/ US 36/ US54 combination would have been too much for IDOT. Maybe it wouldn't be too much for WisDOT, but I think it would be too much for IDOT.  The separation between IL-54 and US54 rides the line on what I'd consider a minimum distance between similarly numbered routes.  When the distance between routes with the same number isn't far enough apart, things can get confusing.


I would guess that it is simply easier dealing with any confusion resulting from this rather than dealing with people who would complain that their address changed. 
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2022, 11:07:59 PM »

Along those lines, they would have needed to sign Interstate 72 as a triplex between Pittsfield and Springfield, and maybe the Interstate 72/ US 36/ US54 combination would have been too much for IDOT. Maybe it wouldn't be too much for WisDOT, but I think it would be too much for IDOT.  The separation between IL-54 and US54 rides the line on what I'd consider a minimum distance between similarly numbered routes.  When the distance between routes with the same number isn't far enough apart, things can get confusing.
For the concurrency in Springfield, "I-55/I-72/US 36/US 54/US 66" sure would be a mouthful...

On a separate note, were US 54 and US 66 signed E-W or N-S in Illinois, when both routes went to Chicago?
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2022, 10:27:48 AM »

Along those lines, they would have needed to sign Interstate 72 as a triplex between Pittsfield and Springfield, and maybe the Interstate 72/ US 36/ US54 combination would have been too much for IDOT. Maybe it wouldn't be too much for WisDOT, but I think it would be too much for IDOT.  The separation between IL-54 and US54 rides the line on what I'd consider a minimum distance between similarly numbered routes.  When the distance between routes with the same number isn't far enough apart, things can get confusing.
For the concurrency in Springfield, "I-55/I-72/US 36/US 54/US 66" sure would be a mouthful...

On a separate note, were US 54 and US 66 signed E-W or N-S in Illinois, when both routes went to Chicago?

US 66 was initially signed neither way - it was signed as "Chicago" or "St. Louis". I'm pretty sure it was signed north-south before it was decommissioned.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2022, 10:44:03 AM »

The portion of US 66 in Cook County and Chicago city was E/W. Past Joliet was the city directional signs.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2022, 10:29:30 PM »

Wis 124 was extended onto the then-new North Crossing in 1994 before they created Wis 312 and Wis 124 was shorted to where it ends now with US 53 in 2005 near where its originality ended.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2022, 09:05:55 AM »

If US 59 is cut back, it will likely end at US 270 in Heavener, OK. Arkansas has never really wanted it. It could also replace US 259 south of Page, which has been officially suggested but never acted upon.

US-59 in Arkansas is concurrent with other US highways in its entirety, so it should be rerouted over and replace US-259.  Although doing so still leaves US-96 with it's nonstandard numbering.
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Re: Highways getting Truncated
« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2022, 11:22:16 PM »

If the northern end of the New Bern bypass gets built then NC 43 could end in Vanceboro. No offense, but could be better. Or it would be on the freeway and end at US-70. I don't see a reason why to keep it on the arterial when you have a new freeway being built that's just right next door. If 43 does actually end in Vanceboro, then mileage signs would have to be changed. New Bern will be greened out.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150130041524/http://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R2301a_1_comp.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170131133032/https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R2301a_2_comp.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170215105704/https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R2301a_3_comp.pdf This is where the northern end starts

https://web.archive.org/web/20170202122821/https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R2301a_4_comp.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170203060722/https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R2301a_5_comp.pdf
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