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A rather unique example:

During the Borman-Kingery expansion in Illinois and Indiana, IDOT put up signs for eastbound traffic regarding the first two Indiana exits, including a set of gantries in Indiana, like this one here.

Compare to the westbound Borman, where you can see the mileage counter reset and reference made to Illinois 394 just before the final exit in Indiana (also note the font difference in the cardinal directions; the “WEST” was put on later to correct the “NORTH” that was originally put by I-94). Seen here. References to the rest of the exits at that interchange (Toll I-80/294 and Torrence Avenue) are made after the Calumet Avenue interchange.

The reason behind the IDOT-style signage in Indiana: to ensure a smooth transition between coinciding projects, INDOT sold the final mile of the western Borman to IDOT. Notice the double-RPM placement between stripes (an IDOT staple) starting at Calumet Avenue.
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A rather unique example:

During the Borman-Kingery expansion in Illinois and Indiana, IDOT put up signs for eastbound traffic regarding the first two Indiana exits, including a set of gantries in Indiana, like this one here.

Compare to the westbound Borman, where you can see the mileage counter reset and reference made to Illinois 394 just before the final exit in Indiana (also note the font difference in the cardinal directions; the “WEST” was put on later to correct the “NORTH” that was originally put by I-94). Seen here. References to the rest of the exits at that interchange (Toll I-80/294 and Torrence Avenue) are made after the Calumet Avenue interchange.

The reason behind the IDOT-style signage in Indiana: to ensure a smooth transition between coinciding projects, INDOT sold the final mile of the western Borman to IDOT. Notice the double-RPM placement between stripes (an IDOT staple) starting at Calumet Avenue.

Never realized the sign I can see out the back of my house was from IDOT and not INDOT.
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Never realized the sign I can see out the back of my house was from IDOT and not INDOT.

Just to be clear (which I apologize for not clarifying in the original post): the IL 394/I-94 sign was built by INDOT. Everything else west of Calumet is all IDOT.
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This is northbound U.S. 301 in King George County, Virginia.   Followed by this and then this and finally this. Approaching the Harry W. Nice/Mac Middleton Bridge (a toll crossing entirely in Maryland and maintained by MDTA) over the lower Potomac River.  A  replacement bridge is under construction here now, which means the third of these signs will go away when the new bridge is open to traffic.

These signs are rather identical or similar in design to signs installed approaching and on some other Maryland toll crossings.  Not sure if they were installed by VDOT or by MDTA, though all four look like MDTA installations.
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Never realized the sign I can see out the back of my house was from IDOT and not INDOT.

Just to be clear (which I apologize for not clarifying in the original post): the IL 394/I-94 sign was built by INDOT. Everything else west of Calumet is all IDOT.

I understood that. The sign I can see is the sign that's ½ mile to Calumet and 2 miles to Indpls.
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This sign at the southern end of I-35 in Superior, WI looks like the work of MNDOT.

A couple hundred miles further south, there's this bizarre sign assembly along US-14 suspiciously close to the Wisconsin border. It looks like a WisDOT-style overhead sign assembly with MNDOT signage.
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That's I-535.
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That's I-535.
What I meant. I must've been typing too fast. My bad  :-D
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This sign assembly is on the Purchase Parkway/US 51 in Kentucky, but it's definitely a Tennessee installation. You can tell by the gantry design. Kentucky would use an "erector set" instead of the single support post.

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This is northbound U.S. 301 in King George County, Virginia.   Followed by this and then this and finally this. Approaching the Harry W. Nice/Mac Middleton Bridge (a toll crossing entirely in Maryland and maintained by MDTA) over the lower Potomac River.  A  replacement bridge is under construction here now, which means the third of these signs will go away when the new bridge is open to traffic.

These signs are rather identical or similar in design to signs installed approaching and on some other Maryland toll crossings.  Not sure if they were installed by VDOT or by MDTA, though all four look like MDTA installations.

Yeah those definitely look like MDTA installations. I've never seen VDOT (or any VA agency for that matter) use signs like that.
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This is northbound U.S. 301 in King George County, Virginia.   Followed by this and then this and finally this. Approaching the Harry W. Nice/Mac Middleton Bridge (a toll crossing entirely in Maryland and maintained by MDTA) over the lower Potomac River.  A  replacement bridge is under construction here now, which means the third of these signs will go away when the new bridge is open to traffic.

These signs are rather identical or similar in design to signs installed approaching and on some other Maryland toll crossings.  Not sure if they were installed by VDOT or by MDTA, though all four look like MDTA installations.

Yeah those definitely look like MDTA installations. I've never seen VDOT (or any VA agency for that matter) use signs like that.

I am not sure who installed these.  It could be that MDTA did the design and engineering, purchased everything, then VDOT forces (or a VDOT contractor) did the install.  But that is speculation on my part.
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This sign in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.

As does this MoDOT sign warning drivers of the perilous fate that awaits them should they not exit to US-166/400. (Overhead signs further on down also give I-44 "TOLL" banners, despite the fact that the toll road technically doesn't start for a while longer.)
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This sign in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.

As does this MoDOT sign warning drivers of the perilous fate that awaits them should they not exit to US-166/400. (Overhead signs further on down also give I-44 "TOLL" banners, despite the fact that the toll road technically doesn't start for a while longer.)

Going from memory here, and things may have changed, but going in the other direction, there's no mention of the US 166/US 400 exit in Oklahoma. You don't see signage until you get to Missouri, and the first exit signage is a 1/4-mile advance sign.
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This sign in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.

As does this MoDOT sign warning drivers of the perilous fate that awaits them should they not exit to US-166/400. (Overhead signs further on down also give I-44 "TOLL" banners, despite the fact that the toll road technically doesn't start for a while longer.)

Going from memory here, and things may have changed, but going in the other direction, there's no mention of the US 166/US 400 exit in Oklahoma. You don't see signage until you get to Missouri, and the first exit signage is a 1/4-mile advance sign.

That used to be the case when I used this section of highway often. Since then, MoDOT has placed a one-mile advance sign in Oklahoma.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3294221,-102.0531657,3a,75y,99.29h,83.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSikYM7Iv45IcXO_TiSOqlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 - I-70 in CO just before entering KS.

I'm pretty sure KDOT snuck into CO to put that up. The thin bar on the back connecting the two uprights is a hallmark of KDOT signage.
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This sign in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
New York reciprocates on US 15, although this is definitely a PennDOT install in NY (the state line sign is the border).

Then you have the agencies working together. Okay, this interchange is entirely in PA, but my guess is that NY maintains this interchange and NY 17 but PA did the signs. This means NY guardrail holding up a PA "No Littering" sign and a "State Speed Limit 55"...except PA doesn't do that. This situation reminds me of a certain parkway...

But wait! It gets even weirder! Going NB, you do not get an "entering NY" sign. You're presented with (what I think) is NYSDOT signs in PA. You don't know you've crossed the line until you clear the interchange and see the "Entering Waverly" NYSDOT sign and a "Welcome to Waverly NY" town-erected sign. This is also juxtaposed with a few PA signs (I think "Emergency Parking Only") and PA road construction (Jersey barrier).

The same deal happens at NY 17's exit 61, though this situation is far more straightforward; NY maintains the interchange area, so you get NYSDOT signs around the interchange, although PA did erect this assembly.
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This sign in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.

Looking at the GSV photo linked, here's one way I could tell the sign was a PennDOT creation: it uses Clearview, which is common in PA but virtually nonexistent in NY. (At least I don't remember seeing any Clearview signs in New York, but then again, I haven't visited that state since 2010.)
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On I-95 in Attleboro, MA, there are two Connecticut style signs with the center tab for the first two Rhode Island exits just before crossing into Rhode Island, as a bonus, not even near Connecticut.
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On I-95 in Attleboro, MA, there are two Connecticut style signs with the center tab for the first two Rhode Island exits just before crossing into Rhode Island, as a bonus, not even near Connecticut.

I see where you’re talking, but looking at GSV and the change in pavement line, that gantry is about 10 feet into RI.
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I was expecting someone to mention that there's a Clearview sign in California, except it was put up by ADOT to refer to Exit 1 of I-10 in Arizona.

But wait a minute... it's not there anymore! According to GSV (compare May 2019 with March 2021), it's been replaced with a Caltrans spec sign!?!?

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Clearview is not used in North Carolina, so this is definitely a VDOT sign.

https://goo.gl/maps/1ZrJG1qq2ov5RCy49
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Iowa-erected sign fully inside South Dakota. If you look at the historical images, you can see the old Clearview sign. Heading NB, SD did not return the favor, and the "Exit 1" sign in Iowa is put up by Iowa.
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