I was at home, drunk and disappointed that my favorite forum was offline.
What about you guys?
At home or work, one of the two. I don't remember which. I guess not having the board around for a few days didn't bother me too much because I was busy.
The first day, I was super productive. Every day since, I just moped around. I think I have an addiction.
On Facepoo messenger with the rest of the chat sickos.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 02:36:41 AM
I was at home, drunk and disappointed that my favorite forum was offline.
What, the entire five days?
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What about you guys?
Usual routing just with less forum time. Reading Washington Post, it's just not the same though.
I was curled up in the corner...hiding...eating whatever bug crawled my way.
I had so many stories to tell. So many experiences to share. But now, they're all lost. Forgotten in the wind. Down the drain, never to be recovered.
Quote from: kkt on June 09, 2017, 04:09:38 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 02:36:41 AM
I was at home, drunk and disappointed that my favorite forum was offline.
What, the entire five days?
:-D Nah, just part of that first day. And maybe select parts in between. :D
Quote from: jakeroot on June 09, 2017, 03:18:29 AM
The first day, I was super productive. Every day since, I just moped around. I think I have an addiction.
I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who checked a few times a day to see if it were back online.
Instead of my "home page" being Recent Unread Topics on this forum, it was my contributions page on Wikipedia. I could click the back button and reload the page at any time to see if the forum was up, and then go forward a page if it wasn't.
On the many other websites that I frequent, some of which you people already know about.
Nowhere.
On my couch watching the news and Sportscenter.
A tweet supposedly written by me in a language other than Spanish appeared.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 06:24:13 AM
I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who checked a few times a day to see if it were back online.
I checked several times a day every day. I was pleasantly surprised when I checked just now and saw it's finally back :nod:
Cleaning my new house. Travelled to Atlanta for a long business meeting. Got to see a lot of road and sign changes. BGS are getting bigger! Very happy to return to the peace and quiet of the vast tracts of pine trees in the Oconee National Forest along GA 212 and 16. :wave:
Working with James trying to restore it and responding to most of the messages asking what happened or those pointing out that it was down. All the while I've be away from home in either Mobile or Birmingham, Alabama.
Quote from: signalman on June 09, 2017, 08:38:22 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 06:24:13 AM
I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who checked a few times a day to see if it were back online.
I checked several times a day every day. I was pleasantly surprised when I checked just now and saw it's finally back :nod:
I actually figured out that http://kcicon.org was lapsed trying to get my fix. Went just fine, but there's something about this forum
Sorting photos from my trip to Texas, sorting photos from a day-trip to Little Rock to see the new US 10.
Quote from: US71 on June 09, 2017, 09:12:03 AM
...Little Rock...
...US 10
I have to assume that's a typo.
Quote from: signalman on June 09, 2017, 08:38:22 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 06:24:13 AM
I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who checked a few times a day to see if it were back online.
I checked several times a day every day. I was pleasantly surprised when I checked just now and saw it's finally back :nod:
Yep!
Quote from: jakeroot on June 09, 2017, 03:18:29 AM
The first day, I was super productive. Every day since, I just moped around. I think I have an addiction.
I don't think I was anymore productive on the first day; I still managed to find ways to waste time :-D
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: US71 on June 09, 2017, 09:12:03 AM
...Little Rock...
...US 10
I have to assume that's a typo.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4272/35118031696_388174fe53_z_d.jpg)
I have not had my PC at home on all week and I do not dare to view the forum at the office, so I checked periodically on my phone or my iPad. Those don't have a "hard refresh" option like hitting Ctrl-F5 on your PC, so I was somewhat pleased when froggie tweeted at AARoads about it and got a reply–it confirmed to me it wasn't an issue on my end.
Quote from: US71 on June 09, 2017, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 09, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: US71 on June 09, 2017, 09:12:03 AM
...Little Rock...
...US 10
I have to assume that's a typo.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4272/35118031696_388174fe53_z_d.jpg)
All right, signing error with AR-10, now that I've checked a map of Little Rock. But I mean, you're welcome to have a southern US-10, I guess; I mean, if you really want :) .
What exactly happened anyway that caused the forum to go down?
Quote from: I-39 on June 09, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
What exactly happened anyway that caused the forum to go down?
Per the AARoads Twitter account, "The server needs to migrate to a newer PHP for the SMF s/w. 1&1 is trying to expedite that, but it will take some time."
Just doing normal things, as lately I have been so busy even to post when it was up lately. Even in May for 10 days I was not even on here at all cause there is so much going on. Try looking after a 90 year old woman who has many health problems and can't drive anymore, you can't even find the time for your own self, plus medical issues of my own.
Sitting in my bedroom on my laptop, and checking the website periodically to see if it was back up yet.
Beyond sitting on my ass and wondering what the hell happened to the forum, I've been ordering new exhaust parts for my '99 Jeep Cherokee. The old Flowmaster custom exhaust system I had installed in January 2008 is beginning to fall apart. The Flowmaster 40 Series Delta Flow muffler itself is still going strong, but the custom pipes and exhaust tip the shop used aren't stainless steel. The exhaust tip is rusted and looks like shit and has a leak where the tip is welded to the exhaust pipe. The two original factory hangers also need replacing, especially since one of them broke. That's what I get for going cheap.
Hoping to get a new stainless steel system installed next month.
Referencing the 1993 movie Sleepless in Seattle, because that's exactly what I was!
I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Some of us were on FB. wondering bout this site. One guy joked about the great MTR restarting too!
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Maybe dzlsabe getting his revenge for us not liking the hypotenuse and his getting kicked out of here lol!
I was in Folly Beach, SC getting sunburnt, collecting shells and spending time with in-laws. Glad the forum is back up & running. Many thanks to the brainiacs who made this possible. :clap: :clap: :clap:
I had just finished an OS upgrade to my computer. I had compatibility issues with some of my other apps after rebooting, requiring an uninstalling/reinstalling of those programs. I thought it was me!
I was pooing.
I was going to and fro upon the Earth.
Big thanks for keeping the forum working!
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2017, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Maybe dzlsabe getting his revenge for us not liking the hypotenuse and his getting kicked out of here lol!
Are you for sure he's been kicked out?
Quote from: I-39 on June 09, 2017, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2017, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Maybe dzlsabe getting his revenge for us not liking the hypotenuse and his getting kicked out of here lol!
Are you for sure he's been kicked out?
I think he was temporarily banned and is back?
wondering if it was just me
Quote from: spooky on June 09, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 09, 2017, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2017, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Maybe dzlsabe getting his revenge for us not liking the hypotenuse and his getting kicked out of here lol!
Are you for sure he's been kicked out?
I think he was temporarily banned and is back?
"Permanent hiatus"
I was in the office checking every now & then to see when it would be back on.
Spent the first couple of nights pissed off because we were unusually slow at work thse 2 nights so once I was done reading the news I was bored all night.
After that I didn't notice very much because I was doing the other things I usually do on my days off.
Quote from: bandit957 on June 09, 2017, 11:22:06 AM
I was pooing.
TMI, I hope you weren't doing this afterwards lol. :-D
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpicsmine.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2FHave-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-flinging-feces-Monkey-Memes.jpg&hash=75e87f7b31640f2a2fdda6c0568674efe1389e9d)
Quote from: US71 on June 09, 2017, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: spooky on June 09, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
Quote from: I-39 on June 09, 2017, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2017, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Maybe dzlsabe getting his revenge for us not liking the hypotenuse and his getting kicked out of here lol!
Are you for sure he's been kicked out?
I think he was temporarily banned and is back?
"Permanent hiatus"
Good. It's nice and quiet without him around to spam the forum.
Quote from: US71 on June 09, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 09, 2017, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on June 09, 2017, 11:22:06 AM
I was pooing.
TMI, I hope you weren't doing this afterwards lol. :-D
Don't give him any ideas.
Why not? As long as he confines it to his own screen I have no problems with it. :-D
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2017, 10:12:28 AM
Just doing normal things, as lately I have been so busy even to post when it was up lately. Even in May for 10 days I was not even on here at all cause there is so much going on. Try looking after a 90 year old woman who has many health problems and can't drive anymore, you can't even find the time for your own self, plus medical issues of my own.
I feel ya roadman65. I'm caring for my 92yo mom recovering from her 4th TIA (Transient ischemic attack) stroke http://www.strokeassociation.org/STROKEORG/AboutStroke/TypesofStroke/TIA/Transient-Ischemic-Attack-TIA_UCM_492003_SubHomePage.jsp between trying to get her to eat & take meds, waking every couple hours for the bathroom, I'm running on a few hrs sleep a nite. I have a friend dealing with what we're doing & he got some help from care.com He's had a couple of very competent ladies to come in & sit with mom for a few hours to get some
me time. Everyone tells me we have to take care of ourselves also. I've put my ad for help there tho no responses yet.
Not sure about exactly when it happened, but I think I was at home (was it Saturday?). Honestly thought the forum was hacked again :-/
Funny about the down time is that after talking to Alex about the Forum status I made a joke that I would probably have all my Big Sur/CA 1 slide segments done by the time it came back up. Everything was back up and running before I left the house to do the first one this morning.....made myself a liar. :rolleyes:
I updated status on facebook more than usual... Looked at more porn LOL... I was jonesin' for discussions of SPUI and DDIs
Ooh baby thats an awfully nice CD with a parclo!
Seriously i was hoping it wasnt gone forever
LGMS428
Checked a couple times a day to see if it was back up & running. When that didn't happen, got bored as hell. Have 2 laptops side-by-side; one is more or less dedicated to all things audio-electronic, including PCB design. So while bored I pretty much edited and, where necessary, modified pretty much every board design that was still connected to an active project; all while surfing the other unit. Doing boards while bored should be called boardumb (or is that boredumb?). Never can tell.
Anyway, thank the internet lords for Pornhub, Ebay, U.S. Audio Mart, Google Earth, IMDB, Mi6, and other freebie sites to whittle away the time!
I got confused at first, but then I just kinda did other things for a while, then about 3 hours after I went back up, I was back on.
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 11, 2017, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Fuck the sun.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 11, 2017, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Fuck the sun.
I find it kind of odd how many of you are all into roads and transportation but never really want to spend a ton of time outside. No saying that anything is wrong with that, to each their own but I would have assumed otherwise before being on this forum. Granted I know that this could be a northern climate thing given that Washington and Minnesota are represented here.
Come to think of it the entire time the forum was down I actually didn't go anywhere or do anything....that's an oddity for me. I actually went to the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge closure on CA 1 the morning the forum came back.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2017, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 11, 2017, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Fuck the sun.
I find it kind of odd how many of you are all into roads and transportation but never really want to spend a ton of time outside. No saying that anything is wrong with that, to each their own but I would have assumed otherwise before being on this forum. Granted I know that this could be a northern climate thing given that Washington and Minnesota are represented here.
Come to think of it the entire time the forum was down I actually didn't go anywhere or do anything....that's an oddity for me. I actually went to the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge closure on CA 1 the morning the forum came back.
Well, I was being facetious with that last comment. But Seattle is not know for its outdoor-friendly climate. It rains 8 months of the year, and the other four months, my bike tires were flat, my friends were at summer camp, I was on a vacation, or something else. I also grew up in the internet-age ... I don't need to be with my friends to communicate/hang with them. My best summer memories, honestly, were taking my laptop to my friends house for a "LAN party" (though it was via wifi). Video games were my way of socialising.
Now that I live on my own, and I can drive, I get out
constantly. I'm still inside a lot (the climate hasn't improved, though by most measures, the rain is what makes this area great), but I get out more than I used to. Especially to see road-related things. I didn't really get into roads majorly until I was in grade 9 or 10.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2017, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 11, 2017, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Fuck the sun.
I find it kind of odd how many of you are all into roads and transportation but never really want to spend a ton of time outside. No saying that anything is wrong with that, to each their own but I would have assumed otherwise before being on this forum. Granted I know that this could be a northern climate thing given that Washington and Minnesota are represented here.
Come to think of it the entire time the forum was down I actually didn't go anywhere or do anything....that's an oddity for me. I actually went to the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge closure on CA 1 the morning the forum came back.
Well, I was being facetious with that last comment. But Seattle is not know for its outdoor-friendly climate. It rains 8 months of the year, and the other four months, my bike tires were flat, my friends were at summer camp, I was on a vacation, or something else. I also grew up in the internet-age ... I don't need to be with my friends to communicate/hang with them. My best summer memories, honestly, were taking my laptop to my friends house for a "LAN party" (though it was via wifi). Video games were my way of socialising.
Now that I live on my own, and I can drive, I get out constantly. I'm still inside a lot (the climate hasn't improved, though by most measures, the rain is what makes this area great), but I get out more than I used to. Especially to see road-related things. I didn't really get into roads majorly until I was in grade 9 or 10.
What?... It seems like everyone I've ever met from Washington was a huge outdoors person. It seemed to as though there was always a ton of people who hiked and did distance biking especially. It always seemed like more of a constant drizzle with the rain as opposed to the torrential downpours that I used to get in Florida. I guess that I'm just surprised to hear that perspective from someone who is a local, I assumed something totally different. But then again I'm usually the guy who stands out like a sore thumb in Washington with jeans, a tee shirt, no jacket, and a baseball hat. I can't get into the hoodie, beanie, and fleece look which seems to the local trend.
For the record when I was growing up in Michigan the weather sucked for over half the year. Winter was usually spent polluting your lungs and liver at the same time starting/ending your day in the dark.
I my parents walk in closet on my iPad wasting my life away.
Video games came late in my single digit years but I was still required to leave my house and go to the arcade to play them. Home consoles got to be big about the time I was 12-13 and yes, I spent my share of time playing games. But it was still so ingrained in me to go outside and ride bikes, play sports (etc) that even in Chicagoland I spent most of my summer vacay outside. Video games consumed that time that I was supposed to be doing important things like homework during the school year, lol.
The Internet didn't really become a big deal until I was in my mid 20's and I'm kind of glad. I fear that I would have spent my entire life indoors and missed, well, everything.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
My Xbox 360 got the red-ring of-death two or three times, but the worst was when it happened during summer vacation. It took
six weeks for Microsoft to fix it and return it to us. I ended up reading all 7 Harry Potter books to kill the time (I already read them before, but they're so good!) :-D
Quote from: slorydn1 on June 11, 2017, 08:24:27 PM
Video games came late in my single digit years but I was still required to leave my house and go to the arcade to play them. Home consoles got to be big about the time I was 12-13 and yes, I spent my share of time playing games. But it was still so ingrained in me to go outside and ride bikes, play sports (etc) that even in Chicagoland I spent most of my summer vacay outside. Video games consumed that time that I was supposed to be doing important things like homework during the school year, lol.
The Internet didn't really become a big deal until I was in my mid 20's and I'm kind of glad. I fear that I would have spent my entire life indoors and missed, well, everything.
Kind of the same thing for me given the era was similar to yours when I was growing up. Summer was fine in Michigan, especially compared to winter. My parents used to tell me and my sister that we were going outside and not to come back until it was "dark" which can be pretty damn late in the summer. Usually the only slack we got from staying inside was during the winter which was obviously from the snow on top of general lack of things to do outside. I did play a lot of hockey and basketball outside during high school though.
Funny thing though, we did have services like AOL and even Prodigy Online in the early 1990s. We had all the good game systems of the era, in fact I have most on my TV mantle at home because nobody ever wanted to buy them until recently. I more or less kind of grew up thinking the net was the domain for kids and really fell off the face of the earth with the tech stuff in the 2000s. I remember when my job actually MADE me get a cell phone....man that was a weird day. I couldn't get my mind around why a voice message wasn't sufficient.
I guess that for me it was pretty much a certainty that I wasn't going to stay in a place that I didn't really like. I remember taking a trip to California and Arizona back in 1993. We did things like San Francisco, Big Sur, and the Grand Canyon. That was really influential just knowing that there was so much fantastic stuff on the other side of the country, it really seemed so alien.
Wow, I know it's been a few decades and times have changed, but my summer vacation days were normally spent by leaving the house after breakfast, playing with neighborhood friends, home for lunch, then back outside until dinner time, then out again especially early summer when it stays light late. I'm sure we took some breaks from outside for some afternoon cartoons or board games or something, but I really did spend hours on end playing outside for most of the summer. I'm sure we got bored sometimes, but I feel like we always had things to do. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a neighborhood with a good number of kids close enough to my age to have common interests, and with enough neighborhood parents and grandparents around that we could come and go at each others' houses and all the adults knew that they could trust the others with their kids.
Quote from: Jim on June 11, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
Wow, I know it's been a few decades and times have changed, but my summer vacation days were normally spent by leaving the house after breakfast, playing with neighborhood friends, home for lunch, then back outside until dinner time, then out again especially early summer when it stays light late. I'm sure we took some breaks from outside for some afternoon cartoons or board games or something, but I really did spend hours on end playing outside for most of the summer. I'm sure we got bored sometimes, but I feel like we always had things to do. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a neighborhood with a good number of kids close enough to my age to have common interests, and with enough neighborhood parents and grandparents around that we could come and go at each others' houses and all the adults knew that they could trust the others with their kids.
You are describing a much simpler time. That rarely happens anymore. Today, everyone needs their electronics and "personal space".
Quote from: Jim on June 11, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
Wow, I know it's been a few decades and times have changed, but my summer vacation days were normally spent by leaving the house after breakfast, playing with neighborhood friends, home for lunch, then back outside until dinner time, then out again especially early summer when it stays light late. I'm sure we took some breaks from outside for some afternoon cartoons or board games or something, but I really did spend hours on end playing outside for most of the summer. I'm sure we got bored sometimes, but I feel like we always had things to do. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a neighborhood with a good number of kids close enough to my age to have common interests, and with enough neighborhood parents and grandparents around that we could come and go at each others' houses and all the adults knew that they could trust the others with their kids.
See, I don't know if it's all a tech thing like people believe. Back in the 1970s/1980s was when people just started to talk about things like crime & safety. The story I just described with me was from Detroit. There was no way that Detroit was a safer place in the era I grew up in compared to how bad it is even now. It was like everyone was oblivious something bad could happen to their kids or for that matter themselves. I kind of point the shift in society to the era of mass media where people started to become more aware of some of the really bad things out there. The oddity is that crime levels today are much lower but people feel less safe, so by consequence they seem to do less stuff...especially when it comes to kids outside. So really it comes down to would you prefer growing up thinking everything around you was and really not be? Or would you prefer to stay inside and afraid even though you might be statistically pretty safe. I'd say that shift in mentality is the real root why kids stay inside more these days then really any technological influence.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2017, 07:52:32 PM
I find it kind of odd how many of you are all into roads and transportation but never really want to spend a ton of time outside. No saying that anything is wrong with that, to each their own but I would have assumed otherwise before being on this forum. Granted I know that this could be a northern climate thing given that Washington and Minnesota are represented here.
Come to think of it the entire time the forum was down I actually didn't go anywhere or do anything....that's an oddity for me. I actually went to the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge closure on CA 1 the morning the forum came back.
I was, as jakeroot was, being facetious. I love the outdoors but I don't really have time to just go out for a walk or go on outdoor-focused vacations much. Hell, on my last road trip, about a month ago, I spent so much time outside I got pretty bad sunburn on my face and arms. Didn't occur to me that, even in early May, sunscreen might not be a bad idea. :pan:
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 11, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2017, 07:52:32 PM
I find it kind of odd how many of you are all into roads and transportation but never really want to spend a ton of time outside. No saying that anything is wrong with that, to each their own but I would have assumed otherwise before being on this forum. Granted I know that this could be a northern climate thing given that Washington and Minnesota are represented here.
Come to think of it the entire time the forum was down I actually didn't go anywhere or do anything....that's an oddity for me. I actually went to the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge closure on CA 1 the morning the forum came back.
I was, as jakeroot was, being facetious. I love the outdoors but I don't really have time to just go out for a walk or go on outdoor-focused vacations much. Hell, on my last road trip, about a month ago, I spent so much time outside I got pretty bad sunburn on my face and arms. Didn't occur to me that, even in early May, sunscreen might not be a bad idea. :pan:
Yeah I was little surprised to see the both of you saying things like that. :-D Either way it seems to be making for an interesting side conversation though.
Speaking of road pictures and the window being open, I always carry a bottle of SPF 30 for my right arm. I got burned crazy bad in Florida when I forget to get a fresh bottle after leaving the airport.
I was looking up the AARoads gallery and played around on google street view.
Quote from: Jim on June 11, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
Wow, I know it's been a few decades and times have changed, but my summer vacation days were normally spent by leaving the house after breakfast, playing with neighborhood friends, home for lunch, then back outside until dinner time, then out again especially early summer when it stays light late. I'm sure we took some breaks from outside for some afternoon cartoons or board games or something, but I really did spend hours on end playing outside for most of the summer. I'm sure we got bored sometimes, but I feel like we always had things to do. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a neighborhood with a good number of kids close enough to my age to have common interests, and with enough neighborhood parents and grandparents around that we could come and go at each others' houses and all the adults knew that they could trust the others with their kids.
I don't even eat breakfast on many summer days.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2017, 08:54:41 PM
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Wow, I know it's been a few decades and times have changed, but my summer vacation days were normally spent by leaving the house after breakfast, playing with neighborhood friends, home for lunch, then back outside until dinner time, then out again especially early summer when it stays light late. I'm sure we took some breaks from outside for some afternoon cartoons or board games or something, but I really did spend hours on end playing outside for most of the summer. I'm sure we got bored sometimes, but I feel like we always had things to do. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a neighborhood with a good number of kids close enough to my age to have common interests, and with enough neighborhood parents and grandparents around that we could come and go at each others' houses and all the adults knew that they could trust the others with their kids.
See, I don't know if it's all a tech thing like people believe. Back in the 1970s/1980s was when people just started to talk about things like crime & safety. The story I just described with me was from Detroit. There was no way that Detroit was a safer place in the era I grew up in compared to how bad it is even now. It was like everyone was oblivious something bad could happen to their kids or for that matter themselves. I kind of point the shift in society to the era of mass media where people started to become more aware of some of the really bad things out there. The oddity is that crime levels today are much lower but people feel less safe, so by consequence they seem to do less stuff...especially when it comes to kids outside. So really it comes down to would you prefer growing up thinking everything around you was and really not be? Or would you prefer to stay inside and afraid even though you might be statistically pretty safe. I'd say that shift in mentality is the real root why kids stay inside more these days then really any technological influence.
I'll buy that. My brother and I were allowed to roam pretty freely the only proviso was that we had to be close enough to the house after 5pm to be able to hear our dad whistle for us to come home. The rest of the day I could have ridden to Mexico and back as long as I had a vehicle fast enough to get me close enough to the house to hear my dad on time.
Our biggest "fear" back then was of the wierdo that might show up and offer us candy to go off with them. We were told in school these kind of things may happen, I never encountered them though.
My wife and I gave our kids the freedom to do the things that we got to do, but they never really took us up on it-because they didn't have friends that could/would do the same things. The internet and games became the be all and end all to them.
Man I think of todays kids, some even in high school, getting dropped off at school by their parents. I commuted 2.5 hrs each way to high school on various busses and trains, I was mixed in with the adults who were going to work. Most of today's parents would have a stroke just thinking about letting their kids do that today.
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Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Fuck the sun.
I can agree with this. Fuck the sun. I'm actually a really big fan of dim, dreary, overcast days, maybe with a slight breeze, lots of fog, cool temps, and a drizzle. Too bad we don't get that in NC a whole lot.
Virginia Beach on vacation. Was not aware that there even was an outage. Never went on the website while down there. I was wondering why there did not seem to be any posts from June 4-8 while reading them this evening.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
I walked in on my parents getting wasted in the closet and filmed it on my iPad.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
I walked in on my parents getting wasted in the closet and filmed it on my iPad.
Considering how many people were either dropping a deuce or watching porn in interim I'd say this might have been a more accurate summary of the events that transpired. :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2017, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: Jim on June 11, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
Wow, I know it's been a few decades and times have changed, but my summer vacation days were normally spent by leaving the house after breakfast, playing with neighborhood friends, home for lunch, then back outside until dinner time, then out again especially early summer when it stays light late. I'm sure we took some breaks from outside for some afternoon cartoons or board games or something, but I really did spend hours on end playing outside for most of the summer. I'm sure we got bored sometimes, but I feel like we always had things to do. I guess I was lucky to grow up in a neighborhood with a good number of kids close enough to my age to have common interests, and with enough neighborhood parents and grandparents around that we could come and go at each others' houses and all the adults knew that they could trust the others with their kids.
See, I don't know if it's all a tech thing like people believe. Back in the 1970s/1980s was when people just started to talk about things like crime & safety. The story I just described with me was from Detroit. There was no way that Detroit was a safer place in the era I grew up in compared to how bad it is even now. It was like everyone was oblivious something bad could happen to their kids or for that matter themselves. I kind of point the shift in society to the era of mass media where people started to become more aware of some of the really bad things out there. The oddity is that crime levels today are much lower but people feel less safe, so by consequence they seem to do less stuff...especially when it comes to kids outside. So really it comes down to would you prefer growing up thinking everything around you was and really not be? Or would you prefer to stay inside and afraid even though you might be statistically pretty safe. I'd say that shift in mentality is the real root why kids stay inside more these days then really any technological influence.
I'll buy that. My brother and I were allowed to roam pretty freely the only proviso was that we had to be close enough to the house after 5pm to be able to hear our dad whistle for us to come home. The rest of the day I could have ridden to Mexico and back as long as I had a vehicle fast enough to get me close enough to the house to hear my dad on time.
Our biggest "fear" back then was of the wierdo that might show up and offer us candy to go off with them. We were told in school these kind of things may happen, I never encountered them though.
My wife and I gave our kids the freedom to do the things that we got to do, but they never really took us up on it-because they didn't have friends that could/would do the same things. The internet and games became the be all and end all to them.
Man I think of todays kids, some even in high school, getting dropped off at school by their parents. I commuted 2.5 hrs each way to high school on various busses and trains, I was mixed in with the adults who were going to work. Most of today's parents would have a stroke just thinking about letting their kids do that today.
Funny how people look back at those days in the 20th century as more "simple" when really that was far from the truth. I'd say a more accurate statement would have been that it was a more "naive" time. Crime rates were often higher in those times and really you had some truly awful things going on that were mostly swept under the rug from public scrutiny. Maybe its just me having been exposed to a lifetime of military and law enforcement influence but really I can't buy into the tendency to over dramatize every single bad thing that happens as some sort of mass crime wave.
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I spent my time wondering which one of the children on the forum finally broke it.
Maybe dzlsabe getting his revenge for us not liking the hypotenuse and his getting kicked out of here lol!
Are you for sure he's been kicked out?
I think he was temporarily banned and is back?
"Permanent hiatus"
How'd I miss that little nugget of news? :-D :-D :-D
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Quote from: index on June 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
Not going outside and eating a lot of food. Going on other websites. I haven't ever got anything to do.
Summer break, eh? I remember my summers being full of video games, and that was basically it. I can't imagine how horrible my summer would have been if one of the consoles broke.
Because we all know that prolonged exposure to the outdoors is bad for our health. :colorful:
Fuck the sun.
I find it kind of odd how many of you are all into roads and transportation but never really want to spend a ton of time outside. No saying that anything is wrong with that, to each their own but I would have assumed otherwise before being on this forum. Granted I know that this could be a northern climate thing given that Washington and Minnesota are represented here.
Come to think of it the entire time the forum was down I actually didn't go anywhere or do anything....that's an oddity for me. I actually went to the Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge closure on CA 1 the morning the forum came back.
Well, I was being facetious with that last comment. But Seattle is not know for its outdoor-friendly climate. It rains 8 months of the year, and the other four months, my bike tires were flat, my friends were at summer camp, I was on a vacation, or something else. I also grew up in the internet-age ... I don't need to be with my friends to communicate/hang with them. My best summer memories, honestly, were taking my laptop to my friends house for a "LAN party" (though it was via wifi). Video games were my way of socialising.
Now that I live on my own, and I can drive, I get out constantly. I'm still inside a lot (the climate hasn't improved, though by most measures, the rain is what makes this area great), but I get out more than I used to. Especially to see road-related things. I didn't really get into roads majorly until I was in grade 9 or 10.
What?... It seems like everyone I've ever met from Washington was a huge outdoors person. It seemed to as though there was always a ton of people who hiked and did distance biking especially. It always seemed like more of a constant drizzle with the rain as opposed to the torrential downpours that I used to get in Florida. I guess that I'm just surprised to hear that perspective from someone who is a local, I assumed something totally different. But then again I'm usually the guy who stands out like a sore thumb in Washington with jeans, a tee shirt, no jacket, and a baseball hat. I can't get into the hoodie, beanie, and fleece look which seems to the local trend.
Most PNW residents are into outdoor activities. It's the younger children who aren't
as into it. I greatly enjoy long-distance cycling, hiking, amongst other things
now, but when I was younger, I was perfectly happy being sat indoors, playing games or browsing the web. I was rambunctious enough at school that I didn't need much, if any physical activity at home to stay in shape or feel like I was getting enough Vitamin D.
We never went camping or hiking much when I was younger. My father was gone with the Air Force much of my youth, and my mother hates the outdoors for whatever reason. Even if I liked "outdoorsy" things, the opportunity to exploit that interest hardly, if ever presented itself.
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Gotcha, yeah I'd say that is pretty much a thing everywhere these days. For most regions in the country I'd say it would include almost all the adults older than 30 as well. I hardly ever really see anyone below that age even in any of my travels in general. I ran into a group of four kids roughly your age heading up to Yosemite by themselves over Memorial Day in an SUV, I was surprised to actually see something like that. The funny thing is that it doesn't seem to be something extending to people from out of county, there was plenty of younger folks at Big Sur but very few were Americans.
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I walked in on my parents getting wasted in the closet and filmed it on my iPad.
just stop ne2. Actually do something real on this forum.
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Gotcha, yeah I'd say that is pretty much a thing everywhere these days. For most regions in the country I'd say it would include almost all the adults older than 30 as well. I hardly ever really see anyone below that age even in any of my travels in general. I ran into a group of four kids roughly your age heading up to Yosemite by themselves over Memorial Day in an SUV, I was surprised to actually see something like that. The funny thing is that it doesn't seem to be something extending to people from out of county, there was plenty of younger folks at Big Sur but very few were Americans.
As I've gotten older, I can tell that a lot of my friends have gotten more and more into outdoor activities. A local attraction for youth is to climb Mount Si near North Bend (famously featured in the Twin Peaks intro card). Even people that I considered to be "indoors" people have climbed it (though I haven't -- yet). That stretch from like 12-17 seems to be the worst, "I hate the bloody outdoors" age group.
Mt. Si was sort of boring, I thought. Lots of the hike is through same-age forest, so no really big trees and few really little ones. Few breaks in the tree cover to see the view until you get to the top, although the view from the top is very nice on a clear day.
I like to follow the Snoqualmie Point trail to Rattlesnake Mountain.
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Gotcha, yeah I'd say that is pretty much a thing everywhere these days. For most regions in the country I'd say it would include almost all the adults older than 30 as well. I hardly ever really see anyone below that age even in any of my travels in general. I ran into a group of four kids roughly your age heading up to Yosemite by themselves over Memorial Day in an SUV, I was surprised to actually see something like that. The funny thing is that it doesn't seem to be something extending to people from out of county, there was plenty of younger folks at Big Sur but very few were Americans.
As I've gotten older, I can tell that a lot of my friends have gotten more and more into outdoor activities. A local attraction for youth is to climb Mount Si near North Bend (famously featured in the Twin Peaks intro card). Even people that I considered to be "indoors" people have climbed it (though I haven't -- yet). That stretch from like 12-17 seems to be the worst, "I hate the bloody outdoors" age group.
How tall it is?
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Gotcha, yeah I'd say that is pretty much a thing everywhere these days. For most regions in the country I'd say it would include almost all the adults older than 30 as well. I hardly ever really see anyone below that age even in any of my travels in general. I ran into a group of four kids roughly your age heading up to Yosemite by themselves over Memorial Day in an SUV, I was surprised to actually see something like that. The funny thing is that it doesn't seem to be something extending to people from out of county, there was plenty of younger folks at Big Sur but very few were Americans.
As I've gotten older, I can tell that a lot of my friends have gotten more and more into outdoor activities. A local attraction for youth is to climb Mount Si near North Bend (famously featured in the Twin Peaks intro card). Even people that I considered to be "indoors" people have climbed it (though I haven't -- yet). That stretch from like 12-17 seems to be the worst, "I hate the bloody outdoors" age group.
How tall it is?
4,167 feet, the trail is 4 miles and requires a Class 3 climb near the end. Basically that's not the most difficult hike/climb but it ain't easy either. For comparisons sake I want to say that Piestewa Peak in Phoenix was class 1 and Camelback was class 1 on Echo Canyon but class 3 through the Cholla Trail. Most moderately healthy people could handle the class 1 climbs with considerable difficulty but you had to be pretty healthy to do the class 3 Cholla Trail.
Well I did some roadgeeking out there while we were down. I clinched a gap in I-90 I had between here and Chicago, reclinched the highway that now bears an added I-41 designation between Milwaukee and Illinois and scoped out progress on the Zoo Interchange. Oh and I suppose I was also checking in on the I-39/90 expansion project in Southern WI.
It was a productive weekend trip to Chicago and back.
The road geek stuff was all ancillary, I should add. The main point in going to Chicago was to attend a wedding.
QuoteIt's the younger children who aren't as into it.
And yet people wonder why we have obesity and diabetes epidemics in this country...
Quote from: froggie on June 12, 2017, 03:47:22 PMAnd yet people wonder why we have obesity and diabetes epidemics in this country...
Ah, but you see the problem is
sugar HFCS, and not that there's a lack of exercise as taxing unhealthy food is easier and generates more revenue than spending money on getting kids to exercise.
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Quote from: froggie on June 12, 2017, 03:47:22 PMAnd yet people wonder why we have obesity and diabetes epidemics in this country...
Ah, but you see the problem is sugar HFCS, and not that there's a lack of exercise as taxing unhealthy food is easier and generates more revenue than spending money on getting kids to exercise.
I'm kind of spit balling this but wasn't the whole move to HFCS from Sugar Cane instigated by the gradual shuttering of US Sugar which if I recall correctly is in progress? If I'm to remember correctly there was/is huge water quality issues associated with the Everglades watershed and Biscayne Aquaifer that started the shift from Sugar Cane?
Edit: The full back story of HFCS becoming the go-to cheap sugar actually dates back to the 1970s and 1980s. I'm more or less recalling why the backstory of what led to a company town called "Bryant" northeast of Belle Glade being abandoned.
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It's the younger children who aren't as into it.
And yet people wonder why we have obesity and diabetes epidemics in this country...
Today's helicopter parents don't help much. They don't allow kids out of their sight, much less the neighbourhood. It's no wonder all my friends were sat inside playing games and chowing down on snacks. It was the only way to stay entertained!
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Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 11:17:54 PM
It's the younger children who aren't as into it.
And yet people wonder why we have obesity and diabetes epidemics in this country...
Today's helicopter parents don't help much. They don't allow kids out of their site, much less the neighbourhood. It's no wonder all my friends were sat inside playing games and chowing down on snacks. It was the only way to stay entertained!
My parents let me go around outside the house, I just don't like it.
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Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2017, 11:17:54 PM
It's the younger children who aren't as into it.
And yet people wonder why we have obesity and diabetes epidemics in this country...
Today's helicopter parents don't help much. They don't allow kids out of their site, much less the neighbourhood. It's no wonder all my friends were sat inside playing games and chowing down on snacks. It was the only way to stay entertained!
I enjoy going out, luckily the property I own is mostly forest, 60 acres of it. Unluckily, I live on CT 14, which people go upwards of 60 mph on, so I'm trapped to one side of the road. Also about quarter of a mile down the road from where I live, there is a pedophile reconditioning house.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 13, 2017, 08:25:55 AM
My parents let me go around outside the house, I just don't like it.
When I was that age, I could go anywhere I wanted, as long as I stayed within the city limits. In 1972, Toledo was a lot different from today.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 12, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
Today's helicopter parents don't help much. They don't allow kids out of their site, much less the neighbourhood. It's no wonder all my friends were sat inside playing games and chowing down on snacks. It was the only way to stay entertained!
I think you'd have a tough time connecting helicopter parenting with a lack of physical activity and therefore childhood obesity.
First of all, those over-involved parents tend to be the ones who perpetually fret about all aspects of their child's health and development–including weight and physical fitness. So while it's true that helicopter parents might not turn their children loose to run wild in the streets (thereby cutting off one avenue of physical activity), they're also the ones giving their children free-range organic kale/soy/chia snacks and shuttling them around to toddler yoga classes and soccer leagues for 18-month olds (these actually exist in my area).
To the contrary, my experience tells me that it's the lazy, under-involved parent–laying on the across couch in sweats with a bag of chips watching Maury–whose kids sit on their ever-widening butts playing Xbox.
And also in my experience, it's not as if kids are begging to get out of the house and their overprotective parents keep them inside. In fact, I've only ever seen the opposite: Kids are glued to video games, phones, and tablets, and parents have to force them into going outside or doing any kind of physical activity. The difference is that involved parents (helicopter or otherwise) actually do force their kids to get active–lazy, uninvolved parents don't.
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Quote from: jakeroot on June 12, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
Today's helicopter parents don't help much. They don't allow kids out of their site, much less the neighbourhood. It's no wonder all my friends were sat inside playing games and chowing down on snacks. It was the only way to stay entertained!
I think you'd have a tough time connecting helicopter parenting with a lack of physical activity and therefore childhood obesity.
First of all, those over-involved parents tend to be the ones who perpetually fret about all aspects of their child's health and development–including weight and physical fitness. So while it's true that helicopter parents might not turn their children loose to run wild in the streets (thereby cutting off one avenue of physical activity), they're also the ones giving their children free-range organic kale/soy/chia snacks and shuttling them around to toddler yoga classes and soccer leagues for 18-month olds (these actually exist in my area).
To the contrary, my experience tells me that it's the lazy, under-involved parent–laying on the across couch in sweats with a bag of chips watching Maury–whose kids sit on their ever-widening butts playing Xbox.
And also in my experience, it's not as if kids are begging to get out of the house and their overprotective parents keep them inside. In fact, I've only ever seen the opposite: Kids are glued to video games, phones, and tablets, and parents have to force them into going outside or doing any kind of physical activity. The difference is that involved parents (helicopter or otherwise) actually do force their kids to get active–lazy, uninvolved parents don't.
I would love to watch 18 month olds play soccer.
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Quote from: jakeroot on June 12, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
Today's helicopter parents don't help much. They don't allow kids out of their site, much less the neighbourhood. It's no wonder all my friends were sat inside playing games and chowing down on snacks. It was the only way to stay entertained!
I think you'd have a tough time connecting helicopter parenting with a lack of physical activity and therefore childhood obesity.
First of all, those over-involved parents tend to be the ones who perpetually fret about all aspects of their child's health and development–including weight and physical fitness. So while it's true that helicopter parents might not turn their children loose to run wild in the streets (thereby cutting off one avenue of physical activity), they're also the ones giving their children free-range organic kale/soy/chia snacks and shuttling them around to toddler yoga classes and soccer leagues for 18-month olds (these actually exist in my area).
..... it's not as if kids are begging to get out of the house and their overprotective parents keep them inside. In fact, I've only ever seen the opposite: Kids are glued to video games, phones, and tablets, and parents have to force them into going outside or doing any kind of physical activity. The difference is that involved parents (helicopter or otherwise) actually do force their kids to get active–lazy, uninvolved parents don't.
Kids tend to avoid going outdoors because they never learned to enjoy the outdoors to begin with. You don't learn to enjoy the outdoors the week after you get an iPhone for Christmas, or a laptop for your birthday. These are things that come after you learn to enjoy the basics (i.e. the outdoors). Kids need to go outside and explore well before even 10 years old. My person rule would be, if my kid can speak well enough to ask for help, he should be allowed to wander as he sees fit.
I had several friends growing up, who's parents were reasonably uninvolved in their child's life (other than feeding, clothing, and housing them). Most of them were the ones who spent the most time outside, because their parents never provided much entertainment. They instead had to seek it on their own. In fact, it was these kids who had the least amount of rules. They were allowed to wander for hours on end, having only to be home for dinner. Their parents were usually the opposite of helicopter parents -- they didn't give a shit!
Quote from: briantroutman on June 13, 2017, 01:01:52 PMFirst of all, those over-involved parents tend to be the ones who perpetually fret about all aspects of their child's health and development–including weight and physical fitness. So while it's true that helicopter parents might not turn their children loose to run wild in the streets (thereby cutting off one avenue of physical activity), they're also the ones giving their children free-range organic kale/soy/chia snacks and shuttling them around to toddler yoga classes and soccer leagues for 18-month olds (these actually exist in my area).
True, but I find the kids of helicopter parents are unable to run around with the others when they run around. They get the organised exercise, but little outside that.
Also leagues for toddlers? Really? Certainly around here, there's "Little Kickers" for toddlers and younger children, but the 18-27 month group (http://www.littlekickers.co.uk/littlekicks.aspx) isn't competitive (except, perhaps, between parents who have to take part), the 2-3.5 years group (http://www.littlekickers.co.uk/juniorkickers.aspx) doesn't have parental participation, but doesn't have matches - which is 'gradually introduced' at the 3.5-5 year-old age bracket (http://www.littlekickers.co.uk/mightykickers.aspx). (there's also similar for Rugby (http://www.littlerugby.co.uk/ourclasses.aspx), only without the bottom group as adults playing Rugby with kids is problematic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzqe5z1Jy_M)) I'd imagine that the thing near you is similar. Soccer with 18-24 month-olds is a bit Puppy Bowl esque: they like the fact there's a ball, they don't really know what to do with it.
QuoteThe difference is that involved parents (helicopter or otherwise) actually do force their kids to get active–lazy, uninvolved parents don't.
Although less involved parents won't drive their kids around everywhere or buy them a car and so they have to be active to travel.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 13, 2017, 08:25:55 AMMy parents let me go around outside the house, I just don't like it.
This is a problem, but by "won't let them out of their site (sic)", I think jakeroot was referring to children younger than 13.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 13, 2017, 03:43:47 PMMy person rule would be, if my kid can speak well enough to ask for help, he should be allowed to wander as he sees fit.
That seems a little OTT - I'd be generous in radius, sure, but perhaps because I know it would be fairly easy for them to get from where I live to Central London if they had carte blanche on roaming - and with my genes, they'd be off exploring the big smoke.
I wouldn't have that much of a problem with my hypothetical child going to Central London without adult supervision from the age of about 11 (it would depend on which friends are going, etc) on a trip with a mission like "I'm going to go into London to go to this place and do that"*, but the same reasons that would reassure me (they wouldn't be taking stuff that would be worth stealing) would also mean I'd worry about their ability to get food and drink, etc if they decide to go exploring - they'd be armed with a child Oyster card and perhaps a small amount of money and a mobile (which, if they did have, I'd be texting to check in every now and again to check in with them).
*and, while not that active an activity - as, at best, it's going to be walking around for a few hours, I'd want them at least able to do this sort of thing by the time they are 14. Ditto hiking in rural areas.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 13, 2017, 08:25:55 AM
My parents let me go around outside the house, I just don't like it.
This is a problem, but by "won't let them out of their site (sic)", I think jakeroot was referring to children younger than 13.
Yep. And thanks for the pointer, there. I fixed my first post. It's one thing to screw up grammar. But spelling? No way.
Quote from: english si on June 13, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 13, 2017, 03:43:47 PM
My person rule would be, if my kid can speak well enough to ask for help, he should be allowed to wander as he sees fit.
That seems a little OTT - I'd be generous in radius, sure, but perhaps because I know it would be fairly easy for them to get from where I live to Central London if they had carte blanche on roaming - and with my genes, they'd be off exploring the big smoke.
I wouldn't have that much of a problem with my hypothetical child going to Central London without adult supervision from the age of about 11 (it would depend on which friends are going, etc) on a trip with a mission like "I'm going to go into London to go to this place and do that"*, but the same reasons that would reassure me (they wouldn't be taking stuff that would be worth stealing) would also mean I'd worry about their ability to get food and drink, etc if they decide to go exploring - they'd be armed with a child Oyster card and perhaps a small amount of money and a mobile (which, if they did have, I'd be texting to check in every now and again to check in with them).
*and, while not that active an activity - as, at best, it's going to be walking around for a few hours, I'd want them at least able to do this sort of thing by the time they are 14. Ditto hiking in rural areas.
"As he sees fit" might be the wrong set of words. Perhaps "as I see fit" would be better. Long distance travel would be okay with me, as long as there was some sort of plan. Just out screwing around? Keep it in town. Still better than so many parent's "keep it in the cul-de-sac" rule.
He's gotta learn about trolls somehow. :bigass:
I once successfully closed a thread by him by using time zones, and the fact it was already the following day in the one I am in (CEST, which stands for Central Europe Summer Time).
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I would love to watch 18 month olds play soccer.
Pedo.
just shut up ne2!
Don't let him get to you. He'll never stop.
Of course he will, it's in his avatar.
We let our 10-year-old go to friends' homes, but we walk/drive her to and from their homes. But unless she's with a lot of adults, we still supervise from a distance in public places (soccer games, birthday parties at arcades, for example). On one hand, there's a tiny handful of creepy folks out there, but it's more likely that there's rather lax, careless, and inattentive "supervisors" if trouble occurs.
My kids enjoy going outside, indoor/outdoor play, getting messy, playing in the dirt, but they also enjoy their electronics.
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He's gotta learn about trolls somehow. :bigass:
You'd think observation of past interactions would be enough to know better.
That's enough.