Signs With Design Errors

[tolbs17]

I-5 has been downgraded to a business route in Seattle:

These days, seeing new business routes are rare. I wonder if Elizabeth City will get I-87 business?

[jakeroot]

I-5 has been downgraded to a business route in Seattle:

These days, seeing new business routes are rare. I wonder if Elizabeth City will get I-87 business?

No, no, it's an error. I-5 through Seattle is very much not a business route of I-5, it's the mainline. The business route shield is a mistake, it should be a standard blue-red Interstate shield.

[SkyPesos]

I-5 has been downgraded to a business route in Seattle:

These days, seeing new business routes are rare. I wonder if Elizabeth City will get I-87 business?

I-87 (and its child route I-287 in the same metro area) both miss Elizabeth by a bit, so not sure why it would become I-87 business.

[Occidental Tourist]

I-5 has been downgraded to a business route in Seattle:

These days, seeing new business routes are rare. I wonder if Elizabeth City will get I-87 business?

No, no, it's an error. I-5 through Seattle is very much not a business route of I-5, it's the mainline. The business route shield is a mistake, it should be a standard blue-red Interstate shield.

Maybe they are referring to the "business I-5"  local exit lanes on I-5 (several miles south of the 520 interchange) 

[jakeroot]

I-5 has been downgraded to a business route in Seattle:

These days, seeing new business routes are rare. I wonder if Elizabeth City will get I-87 business?

No, no, it's an error. I-5 through Seattle is very much not a business route of I-5, it's the mainline. The business route shield is a mistake, it should be a standard blue-red Interstate shield.

Maybe they are referring to the "business I-5"  local exit lanes on I-5 (several miles south of the 520 interchange) 

https://i.imgur.com/h5kTtYq.jpg

I'm not entirely convinced WSDOT is actually going through with that, despite the sign. The second lane is still coned off, and there are no other signs despite that one.

[plain]

I-5 has been downgraded to a business route in Seattle:

These days, seeing new business routes are rare. I wonder if Elizabeth City will get I-87 business?

I-87 (and its child route I-287 in the same metro area) both miss Elizabeth by a bit, so not sure why it would become I-87 business.

This is funny on so many levels

[Declan127]

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5866782,-73.8206267,3a,15y,62.08h,98.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shvKGBTW7qHPJYnv5FSVLRg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DhvKGBTW7qHPJYnv5FSVLRg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D127.31086%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

I have to see this every day from my school window. I'm not even sure if it's Helvetica or Arial, but it certainly isn't right.

[Big John]

^^ Looks like Helvetica.

[tolbs17]

I found one. The lane adds up and it says "EXIT ONLY". It should not have that. It should just have a green arrow. EXIT ONLY should be used for auxiliary lanes only.

https://goo.gl/maps/8CUM8cdwfRZbeCzd8

https://goo.gl/maps/opmL1aaZNFjPhD5X7

https://goo.gl/maps/i7SgdoZqufXrVGY4A

https://goo.gl/maps/dJepPLosKbmvvLzHA

And one here. For the second photo the gantry should be moved up so it complies with the double lane exit. It even violated that when the highway opened in 2007.

https://goo.gl/maps/Fog9PGuDqMQdEdrf6

https://goo.gl/maps/xKSNHccKcwTVYTrk8

[ran4sh]

For whatever reason, that lane exists for more than 1 1/2 miles (per the sign). "Exit only" is definitely warranted.

[tolbs17]

For whatever reason, that lane exists for more than 1 1/2 miles (per the sign). "Exit only" is definitely warranted.

After reading this, I get it now.

https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2e.htm#figure2E13

Advance Guide signs for lane drops within 1 mile of the interchange should not contain the distance message.

[jakeroot]

And one here. For the second photo the gantry should be moved up so it complies with the double lane exit. It even violated that when the highway opened in 2007.

https://goo.gl/maps/Fog9PGuDqMQdEdrf6

https://goo.gl/maps/xKSNHccKcwTVYTrk8

It's possible the signing contracts were produced prior to the 2003 MUTCD's adoption in North Carolina, which can occur up to a year or two after it is published. Here in Washington, it took until December 2011 to adopt the 2009 MUTCD.

[ran4sh]

And one here. For the second photo the gantry should be moved up so it complies with the double lane exit. It even violated that when the highway opened in 2007.

https://goo.gl/maps/Fog9PGuDqMQdEdrf6

https://goo.gl/maps/xKSNHccKcwTVYTrk8

It's possible the signing contracts were produced prior to the 2003 MUTCD's adoption in North Carolina, which can occur up to a year or two after it is published. Here in Washington, it took until December 2011 to adopt the 2009 MUTCD.

This is probably correct. North Carolina is one of the states that does not directly adopt the MUTCD, but rather creates a state MUTCD that is in "substantial compliance" with the federal MUTCD.

[tolbs17]

And one here. For the second photo the gantry should be moved up so it complies with the double lane exit. It even violated that when the highway opened in 2007.

https://goo.gl/maps/Fog9PGuDqMQdEdrf6

https://goo.gl/maps/xKSNHccKcwTVYTrk8

It's possible the signing contracts were produced prior to the 2003 MUTCD's adoption in North Carolina, which can occur up to a year or two after it is published. Here in Washington, it took until December 2011 to adopt the 2009 MUTCD.

Yeah. Those signs were installed in 2007-2008ish so they were prior to the 2003 MUTCD.

[jakeroot]

Former one way street turned two way...best you don't take the suggestion seriously, though:


Arrows placed incorrectly / Renton, WA by Jacob Root, on Flickr

[rlb2024]

On I-10 westbound just west of Mobile, AL.  The exit is for US 90 westbound, to Theodore.  There is no West Theodore.  I was through there this past weekend and this sign is still up.

The sign on eastbound I-10 is correct.

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5819851,-88.1688198,3a,75y,233.67h,89.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD1yxgVALGozMkl-wsx-WHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[elsmere241]

Sometimes freeways (especially turnpikes) will have the direction in front to indicate that it's an exit to say, the west side of Theodore, as opposed to downtown or the east side.  I saw that a lot (with the direction in back) on the autostradas in Italy.

[rlb2024]

Sometimes freeways (especially turnpikes) will have the direction in front to indicate that it's an exit to say, the west side of Theodore, as opposed to downtown or the east side.  I saw that a lot (with the direction in back) on the autostradas in Italy.

I understand that, but this one is just blatantly wrong.  Here is the sign at the start of the interchange -- the Exit 15A sign on this gantry is what the other one should look like:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5828342,-88.1671412,3a,75y,227.19h,104.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seTWqv1ym0_PvytZK5j_EbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

These signs were just replaced, so the contractor just screwed this one up royally and hasn't fixed it yet.

[elsmere241]

Sometimes freeways (especially turnpikes) will have the direction in front to indicate that it's an exit to say, the west side of Theodore, as opposed to downtown or the east side.  I saw that a lot (with the direction in back) on the autostradas in Italy.

I understand that, but this one is just blatantly wrong.  Here is the sign at the start of the interchange -- the Exit 15A sign on this gantry is what the other one should look like:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5828342,-88.1671412,3a,75y,227.19h,104.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seTWqv1ym0_PvytZK5j_EbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

These signs were just replaced, so the contractor just screwed this one up royally and hasn't fixed it yet.

Interesting.

[wanderer2575]

Shield arrangements like this exit sign on southbound I-75 at US-224 in Findlay OH are confusing.  Does the "West" apply to both routes or only OH-15?  Should I exit here if I want eastbound US-224?

The old sign had "West" above the OH-15 shield, making clear that it applied only to that route.  Either that or switch the order of the shields so the sign reads OH-15 West / US-224.

[SignBridge]

I would assume from that sign that both routes go west from this exit. Would that assumption be wrong in this case?

[thenetwork]

I would assume from that sign that both routes go west from this exit. Would that assumption be wrong in this case?

I would assume from that sign that both routes go west from this exit. Would that assumption be wrong in this case?

Technically, I believe you could even drop the WEST designation from the overhead, as SR-15 West is LEAVING its brief multiplex with I-75 North.

You could also add a 2nd control city to represent US-224 East:  Either DOWNTOWN Findlay, or even Lodi (as Findlay is a control city for US-224 West at I-71 in Lodi).

[wanderer2575]

I would assume from that sign that both routes go west from this exit. Would that assumption be wrong in this case?

Technically, I believe you could even drop the WEST designation from the overhead, as SR-15 West is LEAVING its brief multiplex with I-75 North.

You could also add a 2nd control city to represent US-224 East:  Either DOWNTOWN Findlay, or even Lodi (as Findlay is a control city for US-224 West at I-71 in Lodi).

This is on SOUTHbound I-75, so the "West" designation is needed for OH-15 as its eastbound multiplex with I-75 begins here.

I wasn't clear in my first post.  At I-75, both routes go west and US-224 also goes east (no multiplex with I-75).  But the way this sign is designed, one might think there is a different exit farther ahead for eastbound US-224, just as there is a different exit for OH-15.

[US71]

I thought for sure I had posted this construction error for US 62 near Flippin, AR

[snowc]

This sign included?

This one also abbreviates Bridge as Br. Really NYSDOT? 
Bryce