The Status of CT highway sign updates
I-84: Well updated west of Waterbury. Once widening is complete, signage will be up to date. Pretty up to date to Exit 30, with Southington-West Hartford updating well under way. 39A-61 needs updating. Phase IV from Exit 62 to MA. MUTCD compliant mileposts west of CT 8 only.
I-91: New Haven to I-691 Phase IV. Spotty updates north of there. MUTCD compliant mileposts entire length in CT.
I-95: Phase IV from NY to East Haven, spotty updates to New London (many signs not MUTCD compliant). Signing project from Groton to RI under way, which includes CT 184 and CT 349 getting Exit numbers. Good mile posting from NY to I-91 only.
I-384 & I-291: All reflective button copy
I-395, CT 2A: Done
I-691: Phase IV from I-84 to Exit 4. Reflective button copy east. No mileposts
CT 2, CT 9, CT 11, CT 40: Major updates needed. Only CT 2 and CT 9 have (spotty) mileposts
CT 8, CT 25: Final updates in progress. Could be next to convert.
CT 15: (Defective) Merritt signs being replaced. Phase IV on Wilbur Cross. Hartford area stretch not updated except new signage near Airport Rd overpass. Mileposts not MUTCD. Could see parkways getting converted sooner than later.
CT 72: Phase IV and newer west of I-84. Spot updates (including APL's) in New Britain. No mileposts
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 15, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
The Status of CT highway sign updates
I-84: Well updated west of Waterbury. Once widening is complete, signage will be up to date. Pretty up to date to Exit 30, with Southington-West Hartford updating well under way. 39A-61 needs updating. Phase IV from Exit 62 to MA. MUTCD compliant mileposts west of CT 8 only.
I-91: New Haven to I-691 Phase IV. Spotty updates north of there. MUTCD compliant mileposts entire length in CT.
I-95: Phase IV from NY to East Haven, spotty updates to New London (many signs not MUTCD compliant). Signing project from Groton to RI under way, which includes CT 184 and CT 349 getting Exit numbers. Good mile posting from NY to I-91 only.
I-384 & I-291: All reflective button copy
I-395, CT 2A: Done
I-691: Phase IV from I-84 to Exit 4. Reflective button copy east. No mileposts
CT 2, CT 9, CT 11, CT 40: Major updates needed. Only CT 2 and CT 9 have (spotty) mileposts
CT 8, CT 25: Final updates in progress. Could be next to convert.
CT 15: (Defective) Merritt signs being replaced. Phase IV on Wilbur Cross. Hartford area stretch not updated except new signage near Airport Rd overpass. Mileposts not MUTCD. Could see parkways getting converted sooner than later.
CT 72: Phase IV and newer west of I-84. Spot updates (including APL's) in New Britain. No mileposts
Milford Connector: Done. Mile Markers?
CT 20 Done. Needs Mile markers.
Unknowns, or ones I personally don't know the status of:
US 7
Clarence B. Sharp Highway (button copy at last check)
CT/RI 78 (?)
CT 187/189 interchange (80's button copy?)
Berlin Turnpike (mostly 80's button copy or older)
CT 32, Norwich (non-reflective 70s signs? I know those are really old)
US 6, Windham, Brooklyn/Killingly (80s button copy I think from the redesignation)
SR 695 (button copy?)
CT 190, Enfield/Suffield (still mostly button copy?)
CT 3 (90's button copy)
Hammonasset Beach Connector (80s button copy?)
I'm on the Berlin Turnpike. Nothing has changed on it in Berlin or coming off onto CT Routes 9 or 372.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 16, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Unknowns, or ones I personally don't know the status of:
Allow me to fill in some missing blanks:
US 7
Norwalk section has a mix of Phase III and IV. A couple overhead assemblies near I-95 are getting modified.
Danbury-South signage was replaced when I-84 got new signs in the area. There's only 1 or 2 of the old brown angled gantries left.
Danbury-North signage was replaced about the time the expressway was extended north around Brookfield center. I remember seeing traditional mile markers on it.
Clarence B. Sharp Highway
Being replaced as we speak, as part of project to replace I-95 signs from Groton to RI.
CT/RI 78 (?)
No BGSs on CT 78 itself, but the onramp BGSs from CT 2 are pretty old. RI's signage is also pretty old and in need of replacement.
Berlin Turnpike
Mostly button copy, dating back to the late 1980s or early 90s. A couple spot replacements here n' there.
US 6, Willimantic Bypass
Also Phase III button copy, but some signs have been replaced in recent years, most recently last year, as part of spot projects. No mile markers or exit tabs.
SR 695
Signs replaced and exits renumbered when I-395's were done. No mile markers IIRC.
CT 190, Enfield/Suffield (still mostly button copy?)
A mix of button copy and not. The exit to US 5 is Phase IV, but the I-91 ramps are button copy III, installed when I-91 was widened/resigned in the mid 80s.
CT 3
Mostly button copy except from spot replacements. Dates to the 90s.
Hammonasset Beach Connector (80s button copy?)
Only BGS signage is at I-95, and that was replaced in 2000 with Phase IV.
The 187/189 interchange is all Phase IV.
The BGS on US 6 in Brooklyn/Killingly we replaced as part of the I-395 signage replacement 2-3 years ago.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 16, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 15, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
The Status of CT highway sign updates
I-84: Well updated west of Waterbury. Once widening is complete, signage will be up to date. Pretty up to date to Exit 30, with Southington-West Hartford updating well under way. 39A-61 needs updating. Phase IV from Exit 62 to MA. MUTCD compliant mileposts west of CT 8 only.
I-91: New Haven to I-691 Phase IV. Spotty updates north of there. MUTCD compliant mileposts entire length in CT.
I-95: Phase IV from NY to East Haven, spotty updates to New London (many signs not MUTCD compliant). Signing project from Groton to RI under way, which includes CT 184 and CT 349 getting Exit numbers. Good mile posting from NY to I-91 only.
I-384 & I-291: All reflective button copy
I-395, CT 2A: Done
I-691: Phase IV from I-84 to Exit 4. Reflective button copy east. No mileposts
CT 2, CT 9, CT 11, CT 40: Major updates needed. Only CT 2 and CT 9 have (spotty) mileposts
CT 8, CT 25: Final updates in progress. Could be next to convert.
CT 15: (Defective) Merritt signs being replaced. Phase IV on Wilbur Cross. Hartford area stretch not updated except new signage near Airport Rd overpass. Mileposts not MUTCD. Could see parkways getting converted sooner than later.
CT 72: Phase IV and newer west of I-84. Spot updates (including APL's) in New Britain. No mileposts
Milford Connector: Done. Mile Markers?
CT 20 Done. Needs Mile markers.
Unknowns, or ones I personally don't know the status of:
US 7
Clarence B. Sharp Highway (button copy at last check)
CT/RI 78 (?)
CT 187/189 interchange (80's button copy?)
Berlin Turnpike (mostly 80's button copy or older)
CT 32, Norwich (non-reflective 70s signs? I know those are really old)
US 6, Windham, Brooklyn/Killingly (80s button copy I think from the redesignation)
SR 695 (button copy?)
CT 190, Enfield/Suffield (still mostly button copy?)
CT 3 (90's button copy)
Hammonasset Beach Connector (80s button copy?)
According to the latest ConnDOT list of advertised contracts, there will be a sign replacement project for I-84 Exits 40-56 let on Sept. 5. A project for CT 9 Exits 25-31 and CT 72 Exits 1-9 will be let on January 16, 2019. The last CT 8 replacement project is still due to be let on August 1.
Quote from: bob7374 on May 05, 2018, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 16, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 15, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
The Status of CT highway sign updates
I-84: Well updated west of Waterbury. Once widening is complete, signage will be up to date. Pretty up to date to Exit 30, with Southington-West Hartford updating well under way. 39A-61 needs updating. Phase IV from Exit 62 to MA. MUTCD compliant mileposts west of CT 8 only.
I-91: New Haven to I-691 Phase IV. Spotty updates north of there. MUTCD compliant mileposts entire length in CT.
I-95: Phase IV from NY to East Haven, spotty updates to New London (many signs not MUTCD compliant). Signing project from Groton to RI under way, which includes CT 184 and CT 349 getting Exit numbers. Good mile posting from NY to I-91 only.
I-384 & I-291: All reflective button copy
I-395, CT 2A: Done
I-691: Phase IV from I-84 to Exit 4. Reflective button copy east. No mileposts
CT 2, CT 9, CT 11, CT 40: Major updates needed. Only CT 2 and CT 9 have (spotty) mileposts
CT 8, CT 25: Final updates in progress. Could be next to convert.
CT 15: (Defective) Merritt signs being replaced. Phase IV on Wilbur Cross. Hartford area stretch not updated except new signage near Airport Rd overpass. Mileposts not MUTCD. Could see parkways getting converted sooner than later.
CT 72: Phase IV and newer west of I-84. Spot updates (including APL's) in New Britain. No mileposts
Milford Connector: Done. Mile Markers?
CT 20 Done. Needs Mile markers.
Unknowns, or ones I personally don't know the status of:
US 7
Clarence B. Sharp Highway (button copy at last check)
CT/RI 78 (?)
CT 187/189 interchange (80's button copy?)
Berlin Turnpike (mostly 80's button copy or older)
CT 32, Norwich (non-reflective 70s signs? I know those are really old)
US 6, Windham, Brooklyn/Killingly (80s button copy I think from the redesignation)
SR 695 (button copy?)
CT 190, Enfield/Suffield (still mostly button copy?)
CT 3 (90's button copy)
Hammonasset Beach Connector (80s button copy?)
According to the latest ConnDOT list of advertised contracts, there will be a sign replacement project for I-84 Exits 40-56 let on Sept. 5. A project for CT 9 Exits 25-31 and CT 72 Exits 1-9 will be let on January 16, 2019. The last CT 8 replacement project is still due to be let on August 1.
Is that the bidding day or the start of the contract?
Will be interesting to see if the CT 72 project includes mileage based exits, since the project encompasses all of the CT 72 expressway. Something to consider: CT 72 is signed east-west, but ConnDOT logs it as north-south, with mileage beginning at CT 9 in New Britain heading toward Bristol. I'm assuming they'll sign it with mileage going eastbound, but we never know. Once the 40-56 project on I-84 is complete, I-84 will almost be ready for renumbering, with the only portion needing replacement between Exits 57-65.
They're only counting the existing expressway which started at CT 372 by the Plainville/Bristol line?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 07, 2018, 06:48:47 PM
Will be interesting to see if the CT 72 project includes mileage based exits, since the project encompasses all of the CT 72 expressway. Something to consider: CT 72 is signed east-west, but ConnDOT logs it as north-south, with mileage beginning at CT 9 in New Britain heading toward Bristol. I'm assuming they'll sign it with mileage going eastbound, but we never know. Once the 40-56 project on I-84 is complete, I-84 will almost be ready for renumbering, with the only portion needing replacement between Exits 57-65.
66-74 also hasn't been done yet. I'm expecting that to be the last contract. Those signs are newer anyways.
I've noticed in the southeast corner of 95 (Stonington/N Stonington/and maybe Groton) that overpassing roads are identified at highway level now; as well as on the bridge.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on May 07, 2018, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 05, 2018, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 16, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 15, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
The Status of CT highway sign updates
I-84: Well updated west of Waterbury. Once widening is complete, signage will be up to date. Pretty up to date to Exit 30, with Southington-West Hartford updating well under way. 39A-61 needs updating. Phase IV from Exit 62 to MA. MUTCD compliant mileposts west of CT 8 only.
I-91: New Haven to I-691 Phase IV. Spotty updates north of there. MUTCD compliant mileposts entire length in CT.
I-95: Phase IV from NY to East Haven, spotty updates to New London (many signs not MUTCD compliant). Signing project from Groton to RI under way, which includes CT 184 and CT 349 getting Exit numbers. Good mile posting from NY to I-91 only.
I-384 & I-291: All reflective button copy
I-395, CT 2A: Done
I-691: Phase IV from I-84 to Exit 4. Reflective button copy east. No mileposts
CT 2, CT 9, CT 11, CT 40: Major updates needed. Only CT 2 and CT 9 have (spotty) mileposts
CT 8, CT 25: Final updates in progress. Could be next to convert.
CT 15: (Defective) Merritt signs being replaced. Phase IV on Wilbur Cross. Hartford area stretch not updated except new signage near Airport Rd overpass. Mileposts not MUTCD. Could see parkways getting converted sooner than later.
CT 72: Phase IV and newer west of I-84. Spot updates (including APL's) in New Britain. No mileposts
Milford Connector: Done. Mile Markers?
CT 20 Done. Needs Mile markers.
Unknowns, or ones I personally don't know the status of:
US 7
Clarence B. Sharp Highway (button copy at last check)
CT/RI 78 (?)
CT 187/189 interchange (80's button copy?)
Berlin Turnpike (mostly 80's button copy or older)
CT 32, Norwich (non-reflective 70s signs? I know those are really old)
US 6, Windham, Brooklyn/Killingly (80s button copy I think from the redesignation)
SR 695 (button copy?)
CT 190, Enfield/Suffield (still mostly button copy?)
CT 3 (90's button copy)
Hammonasset Beach Connector (80s button copy?)
According to the latest ConnDOT list of advertised contracts, there will be a sign replacement project for I-84 Exits 40-56 let on Sept. 5. A project for CT 9 Exits 25-31 and CT 72 Exits 1-9 will be let on January 16, 2019. The last CT 8 replacement project is still due to be let on August 1.
Is that the bidding day or the start of the contract?
The date the winning bid is announced.
I saw a sign in Groton on I-95 South listing distances distances to New London & New Haven. It said that New London was 3 miles away. But it was about 4 miles from where the Gold Star Bridge started.
Quote from: jon daly on May 07, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
I've noticed in the southeast corner of 95 (Stonington/N Stonington/and maybe Groton) that overpassing roads are identified at highway level now; as well as on the bridge.
The ones on the bridge will come down. The highway level bridge signs were one of the first things to go up when the re-signed I-395, and the old bridge signs on the bridge were one of the last things to come down.
Thanks, sharkyfour. I also noticed that the new I-95 shields do not have the name of the state on them.
What color are the directional on the reassurance shields? 😃
Quote from: shadyjay on May 23, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
What color are the directional on the reassurance shields? 😃
I didn't notice, so I'm thinking that they're not white.
A couple signing contract updates, per the ConnDOT site:
2018-08-15 CT 8, from I-95 to Shelton
2018-09-05 statewide spot sign replacement project (usually 10-12 sites, mostly replacing overhead assemblies and in turn, the signs themselves)
2018-09-05 I-91 NB Exit 15 replace sign support
2018-10-31 I-84 Exits 40-56 (pushed back from September - maybe there were too many errors in the prelim docs... I saw some WESTs that should've been EASTs
2019-03-20 CT 9 Exits 25-31 (which essentially means 25-31), and CT 72 Exits 1-9
2019-04-24 CT 9 Exits 18-24, CT 571 (the Exit 24 "spur"), and CT 5/15 (doesn't give any towns - prob just vic. of CT 9/5-15 interchange)
There's a sign on the connector from 5/15 South to I-91 South (the second connector, the one that accesses Brainard/Airport Rd), that has still not yet been replaced but was in the "statewide spot sign replacement project" about 2 years ago. Not sure how that one never got done.
Hard to believe they're replacing that I-91 NB Exit 15 sign as its own contract. All signs in the area are overhead, but they could probably all go to ground-mounts. So unsure if the sign will be a new ground-mount or new overhead. Or when a contract comes to replace signs through there, they'll replace the sign/support again. 'Cause that's the ConnDOT way!
Nice to see more of CT 9 be in line for new signage. The signs from Exits 20-22 and Exits 29-32 are among the newest on the route, being installed when those segments opened, 1989 and 1992 respectively. South of Exit 20, those signs went in just before CT 9 was extended north (well, west) of I-91, so pre-1989. Mile markers are unreadable, especially north of Exit 10.
Looked like many were replaced on I-95 South from the Rhode Island to at least Groton. You can not miss the new welcome sign, with the huge Connecticut drawn in white on it!
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 24, 2018, 06:29:14 AM
Looked like many were replaced on I-95 South from the Rhode Island to at least Groton. You can not miss the new welcome sign, with the huge Connecticut drawn in white on it!
I had a copy of the plans but have since deleted them. Anybody have a copy?
I seem to remember noticing this sign being "skipped" on the plans.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4733/38088524865_bfb5736321.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/212KDsz)
Quote from: shadyjay on May 23, 2018, 06:45:40 PM
A couple signing contract updates, per the ConnDOT site:
2018-08-15 CT 8, from I-95 to Shelton
2018-09-05 statewide spot sign replacement project (usually 10-12 sites, mostly replacing overhead assemblies and in turn, the signs themselves)
2018-09-05 I-91 NB Exit 15 replace sign support
2018-10-31 I-84 Exits 40-56 (pushed back from September - maybe there were too many errors in the prelim docs... I saw some WESTs that should've been EASTs
2019-03-20 CT 9 Exits 25-31 (which essentially means 25-31), and CT 72 Exits 1-9
2019-04-24 CT 9 Exits 18-24, CT 571 (the Exit 24 "spur"), and CT 5/15 (doesn't give any towns - prob just vic. of CT 9/5-15 interchange)
There's a sign on the connector from 5/15 South to I-91 South (the second connector, the one that accesses Brainard/Airport Rd), that has still not yet been replaced but was in the "statewide spot sign replacement project" about 2 years ago. Not sure how that one never got done.
Hard to believe they're replacing that I-91 NB Exit 15 sign as its own contract. All signs in the area are overhead, but they could probably all go to ground-mounts. So unsure if the sign will be a new ground-mount or new overhead. Or when a contract comes to replace signs through there, they'll replace the sign/support again. 'Cause that's the ConnDOT way!
Nice to see more of CT 9 be in line for new signage. The signs from Exits 20-22 and Exits 29-32 are among the newest on the route, being installed when those segments opened, 1989 and 1992 respectively. South of Exit 20, those signs went in just before CT 9 was extended north (well, west) of I-91, so pre-1989. Mile markers are unreadable, especially north of Exit 10.
I've seen night work on the Forbes St and Simmons Rd. bridges over I-84 in E. Hartford. They weren't bridge inspections as far as I could tell. They may have been doing something to the sign supports. Is there anything in the spot improvement contracts for Exits 57-59?
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on May 24, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
I've seen night work on the Forbes St and Simmons Rd. bridges over I-84 in E. Hartford. They weren't bridge inspections as far as I could tell. They may have been doing something to the sign supports. Is there anything in the spot improvement contracts for Exits 57-59?
There was a press release about the 2019 spot sign replacement contract (which I can't seem to find right now) and I believe a site on I-84 West in East Hartford was included. It may be a free-standing gantry or a bridge-mounted structure, I can't remember. Guess we'll know in September.
Quote from: jon daly on May 22, 2018, 07:44:19 PM
Thanks, sharkyfour. I also noticed that the new I-95 shields do not have the name of the state on them.
Which is interesting, because all of the new reassurance shields in the Southington-West Hartford I-84 sign replacement project
are state shields. Must vary by DOT district.
Quote from: shadyjay on May 24, 2018, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on May 24, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
I've seen night work on the Forbes St and Simmons Rd. bridges over I-84 in E. Hartford. They weren't bridge inspections as far as I could tell. They may have been doing something to the sign supports. Is there anything in the spot improvement contracts for Exits 57-59?
There was a press release about the 2019 spot sign replacement contract (which I can't seem to find right now) and I believe a site on I-84 West in East Hartford was included. It may be a free-standing gantry or a bridge-mounted structure, I can't remember. Guess we'll know in September.
IIRC, there's a sign on I-84 East near there that has a capital Y in "Manchester CommunitY College." Has that been replaced?
I drove by that sign today on the way to see my brothers. It isn't a BGS, but it is a (MGS? SMGS?) sign for Exit 59. On closer inspection, it looks like a lower case "y" shifted up too high.
For a time in the 90s-2000s, the community college signs were modified state-wide to "Com-Tech College". Maybe this was a reminent of the conversion back to just "Community".
There was a sign on the Wilbur Cross Parkway for Exit 66 that said "MxCTC - Meriden Campus". That would have been Middlesex County Community-Technical College, which is ironic since Meriden is actually in New Haven County. IIRC, the sign was replaced with a Park & Ride one in later years.
Quote from: shadyjay on May 27, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
For a time in the 90s-2000s, the community college signs were modified state-wide to "Com-Tech College". Maybe this was a reminent of the conversion back to just "Community".
Perhaps. But the kicker on this visit was on my ride home via Bolton. I saw 3 signs for US-6 that had that state square shield instead of the US Route shield. One was at the Cider Mill-Lake St intersection pointing to 6. The others were 6-East and 6-West were Cider Mill intersected US 6 and US 44.
It sounds like somebody at Conn-DOT is being cheap, lazy or both! There's a stretch of I-84/US 6 in West Hartford where one sees a couple of state "6" shields . Clearly they are "9" shields upside down, with the northern end of CT 9 being a couple miles or less to the west. (CT doesn't have a state route 6 at all!)
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 27, 2018, 10:17:43 PM
It sounds like somebody at Conn-DOT is being cheap, lazy or both! There's a stretch of I-84/US 6 in West Hartford where one sees a couple of state "6" shields . Clearly they are "9" shields upside down, with the northern end of CT 9 being a couple miles or less to the west. (CT doesn't have a state route 6 at all!)
Aha! I was wondering where those signs came from.
Just drove I-95 from Old Saybrook out to the RI state line to check on the progress of the sign replacement project from Exits 86-93. New ground-mount BGS to report, mostly from Exits 89-93. New speed limits and reassurance shields (using the smaller numerals, no state name, and proper color on the directionals). Only mile marker replacements are SB. Limited work on new foundations for the overheads. No new primary BGSs for Exit 88 yet (those are going overhead).
A few pics here, more on my FLICKR page...
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And the rest...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157659006078550/with/41689311324/
Noticed by a friend...
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Lack of proofreading strikes again....
Framington
Maybe the sign people thought it was for FRAMINGHAM? Also, the "Crooked St 372" sign needs a "TO" on it.
At least the welcome signs get a logo now. And a better slogan. "We're full of surprises" is kind weak.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 29, 2018, 09:14:05 PMMaybe the sign people thought it was for FRAMINGHAM?
I was about to say the same thing. However, the left-exit BGS itself has the correct spelling for Farmington. If the letters are demountable; a correction can be easily made (preferably
prior to erecting).
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on May 30, 2018, 09:18:44 AMAt least the welcome signs get a logo now. And a better slogan. "We're full of surprises" is kind weak.
Actually, that slogan could be interpreted in so many different ways and can be quite loaded .
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 29, 2018, 09:14:05 PM
Maybe the sign people thought it was for FRAMINGHAM?
When MassHighway first started their blanket sign update projects in the early 1990s, I recall that nearly every sign face sheet submitted from the fabricators for a sign including the legend "Framingham" had it spelled "Farmington."
Framington has gone mainstream:
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Typo-Caught-in-Framington-Sign-for-I-84-Caught-Before-it-Went-Up-DOT-484064751.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CTBrand
From the same people who brought you Exit 31 Route 10 and White directional signs westbound comes this:
Everyone talks about the misprint, how about the caltrans layout on that thing?
Quote from: AMLNet49 on May 30, 2018, 02:53:31 PMEveryone talks about the misprint, how about the caltrans layout on that thing?
The current BGS sports a similar layout.
Scroll down for pic (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ct/i-84/w2.html)
Daytime view of current BGS (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7272049,-72.7717277,3a,75y,257.02h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssA6a8epxXtuVI4gzlntS4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
This seems to be the only exception to ConnDOT moving away from bridge mounted signage. Guess they figure they can since the bridge it is on is not an active roadway (unused NB I-291 mainline). Due to lower clearance than the average gantry BGS, it's made to these specs.
Good news though: ConnDOT has made corrections to the white "WEST" shields. The one just west of Queen St. is now blue.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 30, 2018, 06:36:50 PM
This seems to be the only exception to ConnDOT moving away from bridge mounted signage. Guess they figure they can since the bridge it is on is not an active roadway (unused NB I-291 mainline). Due to lower clearance than the average gantry BGS, it's made to these specs.
Good news though: ConnDOT has made corrections to the white "WEST" shields. The one just west of Queen St. is now blue.
I don't understand your fascination, but a white directional banner is barely an error compared to these other things.
Quote from: Alps on May 31, 2018, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 30, 2018, 06:36:50 PM
This seems to be the only exception to ConnDOT moving away from bridge mounted signage. Guess they figure they can since the bridge it is on is not an active roadway (unused NB I-291 mainline). Due to lower clearance than the average gantry BGS, it's made to these specs.
Good news though: ConnDOT has made corrections to the white "WEST" shields. The one just west of Queen St. is now blue.
I don't understand your fascination, but a white directional banner is barely an error compared to these other things.
On the one hand, a misspelling on a sign is a greater (and far more obvious to the average person) error than using black on white cardinal direction plates with red/white/blue Interstate shields. On the other hand, both problems are equally avoidable errors that are indicative of poor workmanship in executing the project - whether the error existed in the original design, happened during the sign fabrication, or was the result of a field decision (i.e. we have no white on blue plates on the truck - the black on white ones should be OK for now). Such errors reflect badly on the contractor and, ultimately, the DOT. And these are precisely the things, however minor they may seem, that the media loves to use to fuel their "government is inherently incompetent and wasteful" bias.
Now, if JP was continually commenting about things like "Oh, the border on that overhead sign has a 9 inch radius, and it's supposed to be 12 inches. That's totally unacceptable.", you might have a point. But wrong colors on a sign are an obvious error that should be pointed out. And, as many others on these forums have pointed out, the majority of the state DOTs do not seem to have any sort of organized quality control procedures to flag sign errors between the time the plans are prepared and the signs are installed. Which IMO makes it even more important to call attention to when such errors do occur.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 30, 2018, 06:36:50 PM
This seems to be the only exception to ConnDOT moving away from bridge mounted signage. Guess they figure they can since the bridge it is on is not an active roadway (unused NB I-291 mainline). Due to lower clearance than the average gantry BGS, it's made to these specs.
Well, I thought that too, til I just re-checked the contract plans. That Exit 39 1 mile sign is being mounted on a new overhead sign support, most likely a 4-chord cantilever. So there should've been no reason why the full-height sign could have been used.
Also, probably no reason why the sign just couldn't be mounted on ground supports. The new 1 mile advance Exit 40 sign on the other side of the interstate is being mounted on the ground.
On sign projects, it's not uncommon for designers to take the "replace in kind" route when it comes to panel design. If an overall sign standard has changed, or if revisions from the existing legends and/or layout at a specific interchange are required or desired, it's normally the responsibility of the DOT reviewer to point this out to the designer. That's the principal reason why, for guide sign replacement specific projects, MassDOT requires their designers to submit a conceptual signing plan for review by both the HQ and applicable District offices prior to the formal preliminary submission (25%).
In the case of the Framington (yes, it should be Farmington) advance sign, to revise the panel format at this point would require not only changing the sign panel (relatively inexpensive), but revising the sign support design (not so inexpensive) as well. Design error? Yes. However, given that the sign legend is otherwise correctly sized and accurate, having a 'correctly formatted' sign only marginally benefits the driver. As such, I couldn't see that ConnDOT would agree to undertake such changes at this point.
Quote from: Magical Trevor on May 29, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
Noticed by a friend...
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Really? They just leave the new signs lying on the ground, with no racks, pallets, or other protection. Interesting.
Anybody know why on I-84 East the old Exit 34 1/2 mile is being replaced ny a 1/4 or 3/4 mile sign instead? In the place of the 1/2 mile advance signage for Exit 34 is an aux sign. Why?? Shouldn't the DOT keep the 1 Mile and 1/2 mile advances at almost all costs??
I've noticed they also have been skimping out on BGS. The Exit 35 BGS (BBS) sign on I-84 west is now a regular sign and in an older post the the BGS in GSV are now just regular trailblazers.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6474926,-72.7912071,3a,75y,149.73h,81.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgA2DPTYLBFUctRnE1blWoQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
While the 1 and 1/2 mile distances are commonly accepted practice, 3/4 and 1/4 mile distances are OK as well (I personally don't agree with this approach). Sounds like ConnDOT adjusted the locations of the advance signs to accommodate the supplemental sign. The sequence used for the new signs may have been for spacing reasons, and to satisfy the MUTCD guidance that supplemental signs for an exit be placed between the major advance signs, and not before them.
Speaking of I-84, holy cow what a mess the traffic is on there. From US 7 to the end of the Waterbury project at 3PM you average 45 mph.
Does it not concern anyone that the signs might get scratched up leading to earlier oxidation depending on what they are made of laying on the ground like that?
QuoteJust drove I-95 from Old Saybrook out to the RI state line to check on the progress of the sign replacement project from Exits 86-93. New ground-mount BGS to report, mostly from Exits 89-93. New speed limits and reassurance shields (using the smaller numerals, no state name, and proper color on the directionals). Only mile marker replacements are SB. Limited work on new foundations for the overheads. No new primary BGSs for Exit 88 yet (those are going overhead).
A few pics here, more on my FLICKR page...
One place the signs haven't been replaced yet is the North Stonington Welcome Center. I have no idea if they are part of the plan, but those signs are old.
The contract plans for the project omitted any signs within the welcome center/rest area itself. For some reason, recent signing contracts haven't touched any rest area signage, hence why button copy brown signage remains on I-84 and I-91 at those rest areas.
North Stonington is no longer a control point (proper term?) on the mileage sign in Stonington. It now gives the mileage to Providence and the RI state line.
Quote from: shadyjay on May 29, 2018, 07:54:57 PM
Lack of proofreading strikes again....
Framington
Aside from the erroneous town spelling, it appears the new signs include plenty of room on the exit tabs to accommodate mile-based exit numbers, if and when that conversion occurs.
Quote from: jon daly on June 02, 2018, 08:34:38 PM
North Stonington is no longer a control point (proper term?) on the mileage sign in Stonington. It now gives the mileage to Providence and the RI state line.
Having North Stonington as a control point on a mileage sign made little sense. In CT, the signs are quite arbitrarily placed and only feature the major cities (on I-95, NY City, Stamford, Bridgeport, New Haven, New London, Providence, and now RI state line are used). In VT, we get a mileage sign after each exit that lists the distances to the next exit's primary city and the road's control city. So for I-95, east of New Haven, there would be mileage signs for "Branford #/New London ##", "Guilford #/New London ##", etc. That's kind of like the "N. Stonington #/Providence ##" sign of old. But without any consistency, again, it made little sense.
I'm back in my hometown and have some updates from SE CT:
New blank Attractions signs are installed in advance of nearly every exit from 86-93 on I-95. The one for Exit 86 is located on the left (not sure if a LEFT EXIT tab is required?) right after the Gold Star Bridge.
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There are still a few leftover button copy signs from 88-90, but are going quickly.
No new updates on SR 349 other than the Exit 3A/B signs installed earlier.
Also, new gantries are being installed heading southbound on the Gold Star Bridge:
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iPhone
Funny thing is CT keeps changing the style of gantries they use. It was pipe for a little but and now it's the type you see in zzyzx's photo.
Some of the overhead ones are similar to the pipe kind like this: (I don't care for this style)
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1902313,-73.1942861,3a,75y,171.99h,96.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s868Ynly5zWQUDvXAJMbElQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D868Ynly5zWQUDvXAJMbElQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D72.10818%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
I prefer this: (it's closer to the kind that were used in the 1960s)
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0737837,-73.4703784,3a,75y,251.22h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH4L7g598T0wGTZszbtp0eQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
or
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0729762,-73.4733208,3a,75y,224.91h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX1rUahQTn-myyRZ9r7AEIg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I hate this! It seems like CT added a bunch in the 80s of this. ugh
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0678399,-73.4937753,3a,75y,120.26h,102.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRlJBiaHgCu-Z7SEon6gDwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
According to recent sign contract plans, the types indicated above are:
Monotube Bridge (first link), primarily being used for single-carriageway full spans
4-Chord Truss (second and third links), primarily being used for full carriageway full spans (over both directions of travel)
4-Chord Cantilever (not linked), single-sided, holding one or two signs over 1 or 2 lanes
I have yet to find an official designation for the 1980s style (fourth link). I've just been calling them "angled supports". And available in a variety of colors, too!
There's still a few older slim cantilevers left (I-95 in Norwalk has a couple, I-84 Hartford as well) and some regular trusses as well. But when CT went button copy en'masse in the 1980s, they also went angled-support happy. The turnpike needed something, as the slim older supports (no longer extant) weren't going to support anything more than a blue all-text sign or two.
CONNDOT used the angled mast arms until 1993 at the very latest with the opening of I-291.
Four-chord trusses were also in use in the late 70s early 80's for the I-84 "Great Rebuild" east of Hartford.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1800/43762647372_89ab01f24a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Fa1oY)
Button copy from 1985 on it's way out as the I-84 widening winds down soon and the new signage comes in.
Will this sign survive the mixmaster rehab? Time will tell.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1792/43762647272_9b3ce2502c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Fa1nf)
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on July 30, 2018, 07:39:52 PM
Funny thing is CT keeps changing the style of gantries they use. It was pipe for a little but and now it's the type you see in zzyzx's photo.
Some of the overhead ones are similar to the pipe kind like this: (I don't care for this style)
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1902313,-73.1942861,3a,75y,171.99h,96.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s868Ynly5zWQUDvXAJMbElQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D868Ynly5zWQUDvXAJMbElQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D72.10818%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
I prefer this: (it's closer to the kind that were used in the 1960s)
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0737837,-73.4703784,3a,75y,251.22h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH4L7g598T0wGTZszbtp0eQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
or
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0729762,-73.4733208,3a,75y,224.91h,92.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX1rUahQTn-myyRZ9r7AEIg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I hate this! It seems like CT added a bunch in the 80s of this. ugh
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0678399,-73.4937753,3a,75y,120.26h,102.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRlJBiaHgCu-Z7SEon6gDwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Funny thing is I actually like the mast arm style in CT (the last one). The second set was nice though. But this style I don't care for at all, just looks so cheap: https://goo.gl/maps/EaQbq4os4XK2
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on July 30, 2018, 09:58:11 PM
Four-chord trusses were also in use in the late 70s early 80's for the I-84 "Great Rebuild" east of Hartford.
I think those are just regular trusses (and cantilevers). The "4 chord" aspect makes them more beefier, probably to withstand the elements better.
Resuscitating the thread to post a CRCOG doc from Sept. 2019 with project numbers and dates for several exit renumbering projects: https://crcog.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Memo-2019-09-13-Exit-Renumbering.pdf
In brief, the following routes may be completely renumbered by:
CT 72: by end 2021
CT 9: by 2022
I-691: 2023
CT 2: early 2024
CT 8: 2024
Rough guesses for others from the doc:
I-291 = 2026
I-384 = 2026
I-91 = 2027
I-84 = 2028
I-95 = 2029
Route 20 = may be done with I-91, if not then likely 2032
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 07, 2018, 06:48:47 PM
Will be interesting to see if the CT 72 project includes mileage based exits, since the project encompasses all of the CT 72 expressway. Something to consider: CT 72 is signed east-west, but ConnDOT logs it as north-south, with mileage beginning at CT 9 in New Britain heading toward Bristol. I'm assuming they'll sign it with mileage going eastbound, but we never know. Once the 40-56 project on I-84 is complete, I-84 will almost be ready for renumbering, with the only portion needing replacement between Exits 57-65.
Route 72's exit numbers will be converted to mile-based with the upcoming sign replacement project.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 16, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Clarence B. Sharp Highway (button copy at last check)
Signs on the Clarence B. Sharp Highway were replaced in 2018. The three exits now have mile-based numbers.
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2020, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 07, 2018, 06:48:47 PM
Will be interesting to see if the CT 72 project includes mileage based exits, since the project encompasses all of the CT 72 expressway. Something to consider: CT 72 is signed east-west, but ConnDOT logs it as north-south, with mileage beginning at CT 9 in New Britain heading toward Bristol. I'm assuming they'll sign it with mileage going eastbound, but we never know. Once the 40-56 project on I-84 is complete, I-84 will almost be ready for renumbering, with the only portion needing replacement between Exits 57-65.
Route 72's exit numbers will be converted to mile-based with the upcoming sign replacement project.
Funny thing is I mentioned that almost 2 years ago, and the exits will indeed be East to West starting at CT 9 in accordance with the CT highway log.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 30, 2020, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on March 30, 2020, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 07, 2018, 06:48:47 PM
Will be interesting to see if the CT 72 project includes mileage based exits, since the project encompasses all of the CT 72 expressway. Something to consider: CT 72 is signed east-west, but ConnDOT logs it as north-south, with mileage beginning at CT 9 in New Britain heading toward Bristol. I'm assuming they'll sign it with mileage going eastbound, but we never know. Once the 40-56 project on I-84 is complete, I-84 will almost be ready for renumbering, with the only portion needing replacement between Exits 57-65.
Route 72's exit numbers will be converted to mile-based with the upcoming sign replacement project.
Funny thing is I mentioned that almost 2 years ago, and the exits will indeed be East to West starting at CT 9 in accordance with the CT highway log.
Some CT 72 sign plans for the new Exits 1 A/B:
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The downtown exit (eastbound), I think, from CT Route 72, is the ramp up to Cedar Street and the beginning of Columbus Boulevard.
Correct, as seen here, and is currently signed as "Columbus Blvd/Downtown New Britain"
https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B011'11.0%22N+73%C2%B011'44.0%22W/@41.6678088,-72.7876006,344m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d41.186389!4d-73.195556?hl=en
The CT 71 exit to Main St is adjacent to Columbus Blvd, but there is no direct access since CT 71 is the Harry Truman Overpass at that point, passing over Columbus Blvd, the rail line, and CTFasTrak.
It also looks like the city is narrowing a section of East Main Street right now, between Main Street and the on-ramp for CT Route 72 West (across from Newbrite Plaza). It looks to be a part of the Beehive Bridge project (Main Street bridge over CT Route 72).
The exit numbers will be
1A (EB ONLY): CT 71 Main St
1B (EB ONLY): Downtown New Britain
2: CT 372 Corbin Ave
3 (WB ONLY): I-84 East Hartford (apparently, Farmington will be dropped as a control)
4A (EB ONLY): I-84 West Waterbury
4B (EB ONLY): Woodford Ave
6: CT 177 North Washington St (wish they would add Unionville Ave here since it begins a few feet north)
The WB exit to CT 372 (New Britain Ave) will retain an I-84 exit number (33B, future 49B)